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Hey everybody, it's time once
again for the programme that is

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literally made up on the spot
well, sometimes in advance, and

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sometimes even after the fact,
you know why? Because we have no

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agenda. This is no agenda coming
to you from the curry manner in

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the United Kingdom. I'm Adam
curry.

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And I'm John C. Dvorak appear in
Northern California where he's

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had a couple of 100 degree days.
And I think it's cooling off

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today. And I can finally see the
marine layer out there beyond

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the Golden Gate Bridge, ready to
come in and cool us off.

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Well, shit. If I knew you were
gonna give a full weather

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report, I would have done the
same. Actually, let me tell you,

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I did just come through the
clouds from from the

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Netherlands. And I just I did
some amazing instrument flying

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today I am I've gone to a whole
new level of airmanship. I'm

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quite jazzed and adrenalized.
Actually, well, that's sweet. It

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is because there comes this
point when you have the

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confidence to do a number of
different things and actually

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kind of gets easier when you get
to instrument flying. Because

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all you have to do is just
follow instructions, and you're

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really managing the system
instead of flying the aeroplane.

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But it feels like the world the
oyster that is my world enlarged

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a little bit today, I think I
can go to more places and do

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more things.

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But you're not going to take
that doesn't mean you're going

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to become some sort of a
crackpot risk taker.

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Quite the opposite. No, no. In
fact, there's this magical

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moment, I think before you get
to your instrument rating, where

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before you really have done
instrument flying because you

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know the thing was incident
flying and people people may

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know this. But really, the main
issue is if you're a private

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pilot, and so you you fly under
what they call visual flight

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rules, VFR that means you can
see the ground at all times when

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you're flying. Because when you
go into clouds, and yet, let's

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just call that a wideout,
because you're completely or all

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the windows is just white, you
can't see anything. At that

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point, if you don't know how to
read your instruments and fly on

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your instruments, you will
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with within about seven seconds
because of vertigo. And the end,

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the vertigo thing, or as we call
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interesting. Because, you know,
when you're flying in the you

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know, in IMC, so instrument,
media meteorological conditions,

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you basically have to look at
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aircraft level and you you don't
look out outside. In fact, you

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don't even move your head very,
very much. Because every

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movement you make with your head
could cause vertigo. And it's I

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mean, if you're trained in it,
you you recognise it and you

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don't do anything wrong. But you
still have the same feeling.

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It's like, I feel like the
aircraft is leaning to the left,

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you know, we're really it's
leaning to the right or doing

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something else. It's a very
weird sensation. But once you're

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past it, it's pretty cool.

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Well, good. Well, then I'll feel
more comfortable flying with

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you.

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Would you really get on with me?
You fly with me? Wouldn't you?

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Yeah. Your your safety oriented
to have you know, and you have

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the, you know, crazy. So let's
talk a little bit about no

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agenda at the programme. No
agenda? Yeah, you heard of

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it? Yeah, surely, along with
some 35,000 other people.

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So I've been getting a lot of
you know, since I'm doing a lot

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of twittering, as you do, I've
been getting a lot of commentary

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regarding the concept of no
agenda. And what it means. Well,

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that's the answer. Okay. Yeah,
that was, uh, well, I, in fact,

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I said on Twitter or on a tweet
or Twitter tweet, whatever the

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hell you want to call it. A
tutor earlier that I'm going to

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explain what no agenda means.
And then somebody you know, Uber

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chick, I think is who it was one
of my followers. She said, well,

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then then you did by doing it by
even saying that that means you

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have an agenda. And see this
way. So this one, when I've

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tried to point out is that we're
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medicines, we're not talking
about a show that has no list of

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things to talk about, or things
that we're maybe going to

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discuss here and there. But why
no agenda? We mean, we don't

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have like some sort of a, you
know, a, a meta agenda. Like,

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we're not trying to sell
something. We're not trying to

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get somebody in office. We're
not trying to do anything, you

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know, we're not scheming and by
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scheming. Planning, plotting?
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every first of all, it's
entertainment. Every show we do

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is intended to entertain the
audience one way or the other.

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And I think you're right, you
know, when you do an

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entertainment show you of
course, there's some planning,

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but the thing that's interesting
about this is we typically plan

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separately. So I have a couple
of things. John has a couple of

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things. And but we don't discuss
the topics offline and that but

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that has nothing to do with the
agenda just has to do with the

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freshness of the conversation.

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Right? We don't Yeah, and we do.
I mean, sometimes like last

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week, I don't think either one
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talk about, in fact, the show
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got off the ground. And I also
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because we're doing it on Skype,
the there, it does take a little

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it takes more than a few minutes
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sing in. Yep, absolutely. Right.
Yeah, with the timing of talking

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to somebody who's who's who is
who is out of phase. Now, you

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know, the end, you know, even
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of phase because I

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just say one thing about that,
because I'm glad you brought

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that up. Because a lot of I
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I've been working with it for
the past week doing this thing

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for for Arrow, classic rock in
the Netherlands. And I do that

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with with an ISDN connection.
And the delay is literally 60

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milliseconds. So it's it's it is
like sitting next to someone

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there is no delay or the delay
is so minimal, that your brain

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adjusts to it within seconds.

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But that's the delay from there
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delay from there to the to
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one of the longest distances,
one of the longest throws for

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ISDN. There is. And I have seen
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Because I have learned something
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California would still be
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because this is what I've
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are actually getting a, you
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circuits, you know, there's
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buffering of routers, and of
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packets that were lost along the
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it's by the way, it's using an
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it's a kind of an open standard.
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When I consider though. How easy
the, the ISDN codec makers have

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it, you know, these these boxes
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circuit, I have to say, what the
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up with what is it maybe 600
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half a second it feels like and
you can even hear it on the

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show. Sometimes, you know, when
when one of the most responds to

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the other usually with laughter
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delay that it's almost sometimes
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like, wow, I really bombed on
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the laugh will come in. But
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done a phenomenal job with with
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I agree. But it would be
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if we ever make money on this
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know, as long as I said we'll do
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a little better, but it would
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but it would be better. I agree
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you and because PTP is not
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it's like, yeah, it's kind of
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over the place. In the meantime,

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right at the bottom layer, the
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around.

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Yeah, it's all what was being
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And but anyway, right, we
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connection. Now I got my Comcast
boosted and to 16 and three,

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which is pretty, but when I
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servers, I was getting four and
point five, which is still

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better than I was going to have
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i When did you boost this? Do we
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No, no, I got a boosted like,
yesterday on Friday. Okay,

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because last week,

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we I think we had a show
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and don't don't invite the
boogey man. And but last week,

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we had almost a flawless
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through.

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Yeah, I think it was because at
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difference? I think I think it
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brings me to another point.
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thing first. Because a lot of
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of latencies is these are when
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the summer that's exactly one of
the cheapest connections you can

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make. It's very inexpensive to
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anyone can do it because you can
have a truck near come out and

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put a satellite in your front
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is unbelievably painful.

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Yeah, that's probably one and a
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Yeah, it's horrible. Now on to
us. We have some critics out

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there and and I wanted to answer
a question that came up in their

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discussion, which is

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we have critics Robert Yeah. I
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that's a good sign because that
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and there's a lot of people that
let's face it don't like either

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one of us. But anyway, but
anyway, the the thing is we do

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this show straight up. We don't
we do not stop.

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I've heard that I'm like we
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Now what happens now this this
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you're hearing an edit is for
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happened didn't happen. I don't
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have once in a while be yakking
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next thing you know being the
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connections dead. We rehook up
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and ends try to start at the
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lost the connection. In fact,

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I'll even count John in on on a
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They'll say, oh, you know, let
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say, Okay, this is this is the
word that we're going to edit it

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on. compagno punch back in on.
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321, and then I hit record and
then you just pick up pick it up

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literally with the same thought,

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right? And then, and then people
have to realise that we're not

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really interested in over
producing a show like this,

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because it works the way it
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you start producing or you can
just imagine bringing somebody

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in as a producer. Well, I think
you guys out a punch it up, we

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should need some jingles in the
middle. You know? Oh, you'd have

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you do the hour and a half. And
that was pretty good. Let's do a

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safety. Another hour and a half.
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that was I'm laughing John,
because for eight years that

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MTV, whenever we did something
on location, I there's nothing I

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hated more, particularly if it
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where maybe I'd just done an
event even though sometimes they

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would even call for after an
interview. But usually you doing

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segments, and then every single
producer would say, wow, hey,

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that was really good. Great.
That was right on the money.

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Let's just do one more for
safety. I'm like, What the fuck?

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I hate that.

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pic. And then some guy in this
in the booth? Yeah,

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they pick the wrong damn
exactly.

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I was gonna say they always pick
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Which is part of the reasons why
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television for a while just you
have no control unless you

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literally sit on top of it and
control everything, which is

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very tiresome.

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Well, you run into that with
photography and magazines, too.

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They they'll take those shoot,
do they say like, we need a new

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portrait for your whatever your
call them. And they'll shoot

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1000 photos. And in there,
they'll be like five that are

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really outstanding. And they
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You say I want one of these
five, they always pick some

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other one that just like I
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You know, why are you picking
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know how I saw that you may have
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requests have come in, you know,
I've been done been doing some

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interviews and they always say
do you have a picture? Sometimes

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they really insist that they
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it gets kind of tricky. But
every year, and my wife really

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got me into this. We have a
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with 30 years, he did all of her
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pictures. She'll you know,
she'll do ers and and I'll do

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mine. And you know, the deal you
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you know, I'm gonna give these
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pay for them? Well, we know this
guy so long. You know, we'll

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give them away to press and he
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he doesn't really need the money
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total control over it and 88 out
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needed for stuff like that.
They'll take yours.

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Yeah, no, that's true. In fact,
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When people say to you, you need
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a huge JPEG. And they just let
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even one of the better ones. But
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used to be like the same kind of
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that they use him was Tom
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Angeles. I can't find them now.
I don't know where they went.

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And But anyway, he used to be a
food. He used to take some of

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the best pictures of food. And
he also worked for a couple of

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the game companies but he's his
portrait taking was

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unbelievable. I mean, this guy
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like you take a 500 pictures of
you and they were all good.

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Yeah. And that's what it was
then you couldn't pick one

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because it was like Jesus, it
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But anyways, take some

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time. You know, you have to work
with a photographer, you know,

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it takes a little while to get a
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really makes it there's

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there's I think there's I think
there's more to it than that.

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And I think what it is I think
there's a lot of non talented

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photographers out there too.

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Yeah, usually when it comes down
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that's where I think the the men
are separated from the boys

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lighting and they can't bring
anything out of you one of the

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guys who was you know, I
actually one of the I worked

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with Jim Marshall actually
became his friend. He's the

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famous rock'n'roll
photographers. And when I got

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the Jimi Hendrix picture of him
lighting the guitar, all this

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photos are in the Hard Rock in
Las Vegas. And Marshall is a

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character if anyone knows him. I
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and you know, but he's but he
but he did us a bunch of

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pictures of me for micro times.
And he's the guy is such a good

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photographer in every which way
that it's like it's just

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unbelievable. And it was like he
didn't even take that many

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pictures. He's one of these guys
I work with a guy wants a shot.

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I had a picture taken. Now we're
getting this drive the audience

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nuts but I had a picture taken
at the absolute other extreme of

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the guy who takes 1000 photos.
It was a setup shot for a giant

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blow up of me's to sell my first
telecom book in the mid 80s. And

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a guy shot on just camera but
there was a sign I have a house

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with a, you know, it's just a
basically a 12 inch negative.

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Oh yeah, of course for the
resolution. Absolutely.

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Right. And he goes in there, he
sets the shot, they put makeup

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on you, they set you this way
they take make his ba ba boom,

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bang one shot. And,

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and that one negative cost $87.

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Whatever it cost, I don't know,
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um, it's just the complete
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million and try to find a one. I
mean, I'm one of those

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photographers I take a lot, I've
decided that I, I'd my eyes

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fair. And I do nail stuff with
one shot. But for the most part,

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if you take a million pictures,
you're gonna have a much better

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chance of finding one or two
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so our guy whose name was COVID,
the ROAs. He he's a he's been a

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hassle blog guy, all his all his
life, which is obviously a brand

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new, very professional,
inexpensive camera. And about

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three years ago, he finally
purchased the digital back

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wishes. That's like a $50,000
thing. But so, you know, it

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takes he's really, really high
resolution, but still with the

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hustle blood warmth and how they
do it. I'm not quite sure. And

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you know, and obviously, you
just get better results, because

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indeed, you just fire off, you
know, I will do 200 shots and

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yeah, you're gonna find
something just perfect.

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So, how do we get to this part?
How do we get to this off this

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trial?

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Well, let me just say, well,
I'll take it back a little bit

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and say we did edit one part
last week, I was just thinking,

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and this has happened maybe one
other time before on your end,

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my wife actually called me and
it was more than like 30 seconds

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you know, she had there was
something important she had to

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tell me so it probably my phone
rang right and and so I and and

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you said you even said in the
show, let's remember to cut that

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out. And I'll tell you that when
I was preparing the show for

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post to post compression
everything to send it up to

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upload it. I listened to that
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second was kind of cool to let
it in. But I thought but you

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know, it's really like two
minutes you know, it's like

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boring so I could cut a piece
out and I might just cut the

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whole piece out. But that was
it. There was no there's there's

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no other right it's your right
straight up straight through.

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Right now. It's 10 past eight
Saturday evening where I am.

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It's towards noon here. So right
yeah. Which is you know this

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actually we're doing the show
late but I lose you're so out

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there. So I read a slow Saluzzi
Yes. sent me a twit. She was on

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this cranky geeks recently.

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I haven't seen it in a while.
Cool. I like that. Oh, you

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actually watched last week's it
was actually quite good with all

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malloc. Anyway, when she was on
she just sent a note to me. She

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got her second marriage proposal
out of the appearance on the

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show.

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But a serious one I've got like
a really I don't

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know. I mean, I would just maybe
this would be some way to

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getting more women to do this
show.

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So we need more women in tech.

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Well, he well there's a there's
definitely a shortage. So

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anyway, so I'll start to talk to
talk about real topics. I want

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to go on I want to talk about
this. So this guy Tom has Derek

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or no dick Crick, D C Ric k dot
turns out to be Belgian. Okay.

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So he has first me to note about
use of the term Pooh poohing

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which I guess bothers the
Belgians when they hear it in

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English and I'm not absolutely
sure why. But he thought oh, I

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know. Yeah, you've been Pooh
poohing that you know, kind of

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thing. I know. Okay, why?

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Because in Flemish, if we're
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speaking side of the country, a
poop is your ass. Yeah. So when

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you just said it Pooh poohing
it's like asking kind of,

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oh, okay, well then that problem
he thought even saying pissing

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on which is a British Common
Americans don't say that. He

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thought was better, but I Okay,
well, now at least I know.

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Anyway, but in the process of
the I Will I went back and forth

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with him on this because I was
you know, I like saying it

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because it's it's effective. But
he mentioned the things in what

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is the deal with all this kind
of there's like a bunch of news

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stories about George Bush went
to the I guess, the Knesset or

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is in Israel and he made this
comment about appeasement to

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Hitler without saying anything
about anyone. And I don't even

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know why he's saying this but
next thing you know, Obama is

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coming off the off the walls
going on saying it was a direct

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slam at him. He's not, you know
about appeasement and, and then

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Hillary came on, you know, and
it's distinct has become this

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kind of a weird little
Firestorm. And I said to him

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initially, I don't I don't know
what the big deal is one way or

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the other. It seems as though
just a bunch of political crap

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going on and I don't even know
why Obama volunteered. I mean,

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he was almost got it which makes
me think that maybe there's

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there's some interesting Beatty
not only submitted anyway, let

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me stop for a second.

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Look, can I just say one thing
just because you're actually had

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to do this appeasement to bring
to a state of peace, quiet ease

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calm or contentment to satisfy a
lay or relieve to yield or

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concede to the belligerent
demands of right now, we have an

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international audience.

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Yes. Now, here's the deal that's
been cropping up on right wing

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talk shows. And I'm gonna give
you the whole overall, what I

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believe is a reverse marketing
thing going on here by the

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Republican Party, and I think
it's gonna be quite interesting

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when you hear it my whole spiel

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is that means Shut up, out and
let me talk. No,

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no, I want you to interrupt
every chance when, especially

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when I go a little bit. It's,
it's a funny thing to say, but,

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but yeah, interrupt me, okay,
because I'm gonna be throwing a

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bunch of English stuff in here.
Here's what's happening. One of

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the things that the right wing
talk show guys are doing is

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they've reintroduced to the
American psyche, Neville

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Chamberlain. Now, Neville
Chamberlain is the guy best

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known and he still kind of in
the history books as the guy who

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kind of appeased Hitler on
behalf of the British. Now,

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nobody remembers this guy and
young voters definitely don't

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remember this guy. He was AC
dead in 1940. Before I've the

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oldest guy in the room, and he
was dead before I went long

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before I was born. And but
somehow, and they're they're not

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they're playing on one of the
shows, I heard him actually

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playing a Neville Chamberlain
speech. And this is, you know,

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this was the speech was from
1938, or something like that,

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or, you know, Chamberlain died
in 40. Right after his keeping

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within six months of after he
was like, essentially kicked out

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of office. He was prime
minister. He was dead. Oh, by

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the way, I went into Wikipedia
just to do a shaggy dog version

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of the story. This is why
Wikipedia is kind of funny. I'm

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gonna read you a two sentences,
or actually one sentence two

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sentences from the early life of
Neville Chamberlain as as it's

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stated in Wikipedia. Chamberlain
was not listen carefully.

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Chamberlain was born in a house
called South born in the ED

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Bastian I can't pronounce it
district of Birmingham, England.

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He was the eldest son of the
second marriage of Joseph

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Chamberlain, Lord Mayor of
Birmingham, ham, and I have

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brother later, sir Austin. So in
other words, Chamberlain was was

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the son of two guys. The way
it's the way it's written. You

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gotta love what you do. It's
just it's just a need an editor.

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It's just what we say.

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We would say Neville Chamberlain
would turn over in his grave, my

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friends.

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So anyway, that is just it's
just worded funny. But anyway,

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they go on it says mothers
actually

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kind of just say that. I'm
desperately searching. I can

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recall something some news in
the UK in the past few weeks.

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Also someone referring to
Neville Chamberlain. So I'm

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trying to find that reference
while you're telling the story.

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Yeah, okay. So never Neville
Chamberlain is back into the

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picture. Now. I've started to
think about this at first, when

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I when the crick brought this
up, I said is not a big deal,

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just the way it goes. But I'm
thinking about maybe not, this

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actually may be part of a
scheme, because the Republicans

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have done this better than
anybody else, which is to tag

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somebody with a moniker that
they can't shake. flip flopper,

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for example, with John Kerry.
And the idea of being an

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appeaser or an a you know, even
though it's not the world's

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greatest thing that sticks on
words, because it's kind of hard

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to stop pieces and appeaser
permit this may be the beginning

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of tagging Obama with an
appeaser and he seems to have

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taken the bait on this. Now he's
either aware of the fact that

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they're going to try to tag him
with this, and he's going to be

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stuck with this moniker right
into the election. And this this

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film was how Oh, God is in
appeasers gonna be like Neville

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Chamberlain is going to take his
you know, we're gonna be in war

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because of this guy. He may have
reacted to the to the early

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salvo which was in fact the bush
speech in Israel. He may have

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reacted but he may have
overreacted or he may have

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reacted because he was told to
like kill this before it got out

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00:24:33,569 --> 00:24:36,719
of control but in fact because
Hillary jumped on the bandwagon

435
00:24:36,809 --> 00:24:41,039
and shook her finger at Bush is
made it actually worse so who I

436
00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:42,329
think would who would Obama

437
00:24:42,330 --> 00:24:43,710
actually be appeasing

438
00:24:44,790 --> 00:24:48,360
Obama went on a bit in some
minor way saying that he wants

439
00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:53,160
to talk to the head of Iran that
guy okay, okay guys his name you

440
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:54,900
know if you're not pronouncing
it every day, you'll never

441
00:24:54,900 --> 00:24:58,410
pronounce Medina job. Yeah, that
guy he says he's you know, it's

442
00:24:58,410 --> 00:25:00,870
a good you know, we should be
talking about Add to the table

443
00:25:00,870 --> 00:25:02,850
we should be, you know, that
kind of thing. And this guy, Tag

444
00:25:02,850 --> 00:25:05,520
Manager has already been
associated with the Hitler by

445
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,490
the right wingers in the US, you
know, and he acts like a Hitler

446
00:25:08,490 --> 00:25:11,100
to him in terms of his, you
know, hatred of the Jews and he

447
00:25:11,100 --> 00:25:13,230
wants to blow up Israel and wipe
them off the map and all this

448
00:25:13,230 --> 00:25:14,550
kind of thing. stuff doesn't
fly.

449
00:25:14,580 --> 00:25:17,400
But of course, he really, he has
no real power in Iran, but

450
00:25:19,109 --> 00:25:23,009
well, we don't care about the
facts. But anyway, so true. So

451
00:25:23,009 --> 00:25:26,729
the so so by even talking about
this guy is like somebody we

452
00:25:26,729 --> 00:25:30,089
should talk bring to the table.
That's an appeaser he was was

453
00:25:30,089 --> 00:25:33,419
he. So they're trying to
associate him wanting to talk to

454
00:25:33,419 --> 00:25:36,869
this maniac as the same as
Neville Chamberlain talking

455
00:25:36,869 --> 00:25:39,659
about coming back with a phoney
baloney paper and then having

456
00:25:39,659 --> 00:25:44,549
the Netherlands attack the next
day. So so so this is all and so

457
00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:47,309
I'm now thinking this is all
part of a long term strategy by

458
00:25:47,309 --> 00:25:50,819
the Republicans to get to put
tag this guy with this

459
00:25:50,819 --> 00:25:54,539
particular moniker. And I think,
you know, it's already working.

460
00:25:54,899 --> 00:25:57,899
So I mean, there is already one
strike against Obama. And I

461
00:25:57,899 --> 00:26:00,179
think Hillary jumped on the
bandwagon because she still has

462
00:26:00,179 --> 00:26:03,569
high hopes of everybody bailing
out at the last minute, you

463
00:26:03,569 --> 00:26:06,719
know, she can still technically
get the nomination. But of

464
00:26:06,719 --> 00:26:08,969
course, you know, she hasn't
neither one of these people are

465
00:26:08,969 --> 00:26:13,139
electable in my opinion, anyway,
but it's going to it's gifted

466
00:26:13,139 --> 00:26:16,259
starting this soon with this
kind of thing. In other words,

467
00:26:16,259 --> 00:26:19,919
his opinion piece Montag. I
can't imagine what it's going to

468
00:26:19,919 --> 00:26:21,839
be like three or four months
from now, when we get down to

469
00:26:21,839 --> 00:26:25,469
the wire. I mean, Obama's going
to look like a paedophile or

470
00:26:25,469 --> 00:26:27,419
something. I don't know how
they're gonna do it. Well,

471
00:26:28,229 --> 00:26:31,949
it's interesting. You say that,
because I don't think the I

472
00:26:31,949 --> 00:26:34,019
understand the monochrome
understand the reference the

473
00:26:34,019 --> 00:26:39,509
historical significance. I don't
think the average, you know, as

474
00:26:39,509 --> 00:26:42,689
you already pointed out, the
average voter, let's say, well,

475
00:26:42,689 --> 00:26:46,649
it's just anyone under 35, under
40, for that matter, they may

476
00:26:46,649 --> 00:26:51,149
not even really understand what
the appease appeaser label

477
00:26:51,149 --> 00:26:51,959
means.

478
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,230
I think that's I know, that's
what but there's plenty of time

479
00:26:55,230 --> 00:26:58,230
to educate people, months and
months and months. I think the

480
00:26:58,230 --> 00:27:01,800
election is what in five years,
the anyway, we got plenty of

481
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,010
time to educate people as to
what it means and it is a bet in

482
00:27:05,010 --> 00:27:08,070
it. And if it's used in a
pejorative way, oh, he's an

483
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:10,710
appeaser even if you don't know
what it means, you know, it's

484
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:14,100
bad. You know, because always
going to be taken as always an

485
00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:16,890
appeal always an appeaser Oh, an
appeaser? I don't know what that

486
00:27:16,890 --> 00:27:20,280
means, but it doesn't sound
good. And that's kind of the way

487
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,030
these things work. The Democrats
have never been able to label

488
00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:27,030
their opponents, the way the
Republicans can label their

489
00:27:27,030 --> 00:27:30,540
opponents and make it stick. And
it's a it's a, it's all

490
00:27:30,540 --> 00:27:33,540
marketing. It's a very
interesting, but it's counter

491
00:27:33,540 --> 00:27:36,390
marketing. It's not, you know,
the Democrats are good at, you

492
00:27:36,390 --> 00:27:41,640
know, full fashion, pro active
marketing to push an agenda that

493
00:27:42,060 --> 00:27:46,560
Republicans are good at it kind
of this, this subtle attack

494
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,930
marketing, which is really more
complicated.

495
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,440
It's really it's really word
hacking. It's like meme hacking.

496
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,370
It's it's launching phrases and
labels and AI memes, I guess,

497
00:27:56,610 --> 00:28:01,410
into the media space and getting
it repeated and getting

498
00:28:01,410 --> 00:28:04,860
something to stick. That's kind
of it's, it's really social

499
00:28:04,860 --> 00:28:05,580
engineering.

500
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,600
Yes. And they do a much better
job. Now, I heard a speech by

501
00:28:10,380 --> 00:28:13,530
what the hell's the name of the
Bill Moyers, who's on it, you

502
00:28:13,530 --> 00:28:15,990
know, he was talking to some
group of count, you know, these,

503
00:28:16,170 --> 00:28:19,020
one of these journalists, groups
of people that write for

504
00:28:19,020 --> 00:28:21,780
counterculture, you know,
there's basically with no money.

505
00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:25,230
And he was talking to this
group, and they're all there was

506
00:28:25,230 --> 00:28:28,710
a socialist gathering is what it
was actually. And he was going

507
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:33,060
on about how the Republicans
have name made all these crazy

508
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,050
phrases, and they throw stuff
into the public domain, and it's

509
00:28:37,050 --> 00:28:39,750
just manipulating the public,
and we should be aware of it.

510
00:28:39,930 --> 00:28:42,090
But he never mentions the fact
that the Democrats are

511
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,750
constantly trying to do this.
And they do it more often than

512
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:48,240
the Republicans do. In fact, and
I'll give you a couple of

513
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,340
examples. I don't have my list
here. But I do have a list I've

514
00:28:50,340 --> 00:28:54,780
maintained by the way of these
phrases. And a couple of them,

515
00:28:54,780 --> 00:28:58,020
for example, that have come up
recently. And if you if you

516
00:28:58,020 --> 00:29:03,270
listen to them, they're too
they're too intellectual. And

517
00:29:03,270 --> 00:29:05,970
they're also too by the way, the
appeasement thing is going to

518
00:29:05,970 --> 00:29:10,830
work even better. When the
peaceniks come out, you know,

519
00:29:11,220 --> 00:29:15,270
supporting Obama, it's just
gonna reaffirm his base being

520
00:29:15,270 --> 00:29:17,700
all, you know, we just basically
wanted to turn the country over

521
00:29:17,730 --> 00:29:18,330
to Iran.

522
00:29:19,740 --> 00:29:23,520
It does kind of make sense, in a
way, although, you know, so we

523
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:28,560
had Hillary saying that we
should say, the US would

524
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,420
certainly obliterate Iran.

525
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,780
Yes, she was going the other she
was not going to put out yeah,

526
00:29:33,810 --> 00:29:37,470
she that was a smart thing for
her to say. I mean, it's

527
00:29:38,490 --> 00:29:41,160
not very friendly thing to say,
um, to be honest.

528
00:29:41,940 --> 00:29:46,380
But she's not trying to get
their vote. Good point. Anyway,

529
00:29:46,380 --> 00:29:49,230
a couple of the items that the
Democrats have tried to come up

530
00:29:49,230 --> 00:29:52,950
with right after the 911 You
first you saw justice, not

531
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:56,310
vengeance, which was a little
bit much and that was that

532
00:29:56,340 --> 00:29:59,970
bumper sticker was everywhere in
Berkeley, and then you have more

533
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,040
Recently, I mean, actually, if
you want to go back even

534
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,410
further, they tried to
popularise the term and this is

535
00:30:04,410 --> 00:30:07,680
definitely from the Democrat
side, they tried to popularise

536
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,730
the term gravi toss, which was
never used by a Republican ever

537
00:30:11,730 --> 00:30:14,250
and it meant and it wasn't
supposed to, it means well as

538
00:30:14,250 --> 00:30:17,340
gravi toss and as we elect
someone who gravi TOS gravi tos,

539
00:30:17,340 --> 00:30:21,930
of course, ended up the public,
voted in Bush, kind of a popular

540
00:30:21,930 --> 00:30:25,380
word for a while back in the
70s. I have a feeling,

541
00:30:25,740 --> 00:30:30,510
it's come and gone, but it was
it was directly attached to

542
00:30:31,380 --> 00:30:35,490
Cuomo, the Mario Cuomo, he was
the grubby tough guy that was

543
00:30:35,490 --> 00:30:39,840
supposed to run in 92. But he
saw that Bush was going for a

544
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,510
second term and said, Well, you
know, nobody ever beats an

545
00:30:42,510 --> 00:30:45,630
incumbent. And so he didn't run,
Clinton won, and that was the

546
00:30:45,630 --> 00:30:49,170
end of Cuomo. But anyway, he had
gravi toss. So now the more

547
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,280
gravitas, seriousness, or
sobriety as of conduct of

548
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:53,910
speech,

549
00:30:54,510 --> 00:30:59,250
yes, in other words, he can talk
without stuttering or mumbling

550
00:30:59,250 --> 00:31:02,970
or saying stupid things. Now the
more recent one, which the

551
00:31:02,970 --> 00:31:06,690
Democrats have also tried to
promote and is gotten nowhere,

552
00:31:06,690 --> 00:31:10,950
but it keeps cropping up and the
problem with it. It sounds

553
00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:13,740
creepy, and I'm not even
absolutely sure what it means.

554
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:19,710
But the the term is truth to
power. Oh, you must speak truth

555
00:31:19,710 --> 00:31:23,160
to power or is there gonna allow
truth to power truth to power?

556
00:31:23,490 --> 00:31:27,450
And this is like, I'm not even
sure what it means. What do you

557
00:31:27,450 --> 00:31:29,610
How would you interpret it?
Truth

558
00:31:29,610 --> 00:31:34,260
power, you must speak truth to
power it? Well, first of all, it

559
00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:36,840
seems like there should be a
ratio attached to it. And you

560
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,440
know, what's your truth to power
ratio? Like, like a drive train?

561
00:31:40,830 --> 00:31:43,110
Now, wait a minute, that's gonna
write that down. Because no

562
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:45,570
one's ever come up with the
truth to power ratio.

563
00:31:46,590 --> 00:31:49,410
We can introduce it the truth of
the power ratio

564
00:31:49,410 --> 00:31:50,280
of 3.2

565
00:31:50,550 --> 00:31:57,780
You're rockin baby with a 3.2
TPR TPP TTP are

566
00:31:57,780 --> 00:31:58,980
whatever TTP

567
00:32:00,750 --> 00:32:04,650
truth to power Yeah, I'm not
really sure how to how to

568
00:32:04,650 --> 00:32:06,120
interpret it I wouldn't know
what it

569
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,790
means it means that you don't
surround yourself by it with a

570
00:32:08,790 --> 00:32:12,030
yes man at the base level is
what it's supposed I think is

571
00:32:12,030 --> 00:32:15,810
one of the implications, but it
means that that you will tell

572
00:32:15,810 --> 00:32:18,630
you tell it like it is I think
it's probably a take off from

573
00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:22,440
the 1960s let's let's you know
that how web 2.0 is just a bunch

574
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,680
of rewrites of everything from
web 1.0 Let's go back to the

575
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,250
1960s When we were successful as
a democrat party, and let's

576
00:32:29,250 --> 00:32:33,630
rewrite all these kinds of
phrases that we used to have

577
00:32:33,630 --> 00:32:36,000
back then like tell it like it
is

578
00:32:36,449 --> 00:32:40,829
man to power what is it fair it
is the phrase speak I'm just

579
00:32:40,829 --> 00:32:43,799
reading from some fucking
website the phrase speak truth

580
00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:48,209
to power goes back to 1955 when
the American Friends Service

581
00:32:48,209 --> 00:32:52,979
Committee published speak truth
to power a pamphlet at proposed

582
00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:58,949
the proposed the new approach to
the Cold War Cold War it's its

583
00:32:58,949 --> 00:33:01,529
title which came to friend
Milton Mayor toward the end of

584
00:33:01,529 --> 00:33:03,509
the week and whatever

585
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:07,350
so that's good. Well yeah, they
mean there's nothing

586
00:33:08,370 --> 00:33:11,520
there's no data point I need a
hill entitled her memoir versus

587
00:33:11,610 --> 00:33:14,790
sensational charges of sexual
harassment against or

588
00:33:14,790 --> 00:33:18,450
harrassment against Supreme
Court nominee Clarence Thomas

589
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,010
speaking truth to power

590
00:33:21,870 --> 00:33:25,980
well sneaking in anyway so but
you'll find is all left like

591
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,550
that but let's do something with
the truth to power ratio as

592
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:35,340
I like it. Yeah, we have to come
up with a formula where we will

593
00:33:35,340 --> 00:33:36,870
turn it into an algorithm

594
00:33:36,900 --> 00:33:41,520
Yeah, there you go. We need like
social graph is another one my

595
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:42,810
favourites I love that too.

596
00:33:43,470 --> 00:33:45,570
So anyway, I have a list of
these one of these days I'll be

597
00:33:46,170 --> 00:33:50,400
discussing more and more I got
one more well, you know, I don't

598
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,980
get Can't they probably will in
the top. I don't have one more

599
00:33:52,980 --> 00:33:54,990
off the top of my head. But
there's a tonne of them. All

600
00:33:54,990 --> 00:33:58,440
right. Well, yeah, there's
another one that they threw out

601
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:03,210
there, which is no war for oil
or something. I can't remember

602
00:34:03,210 --> 00:34:05,490
how it's phrased. Exactly. But
that bumper stickers all over

603
00:34:05,490 --> 00:34:11,610
the place trying to be a meme.
Anyway, well, yeah. But I mean,

604
00:34:11,610 --> 00:34:14,850
there's a bunch of these a, like
I said, I just thought about him

605
00:34:14,850 --> 00:34:18,120
now. But the I wanted that.
Anyway, I tried. Thank Thomas

606
00:34:18,150 --> 00:34:21,930
the crick for asking it what I
thought was a stupid question.

607
00:34:21,930 --> 00:34:25,050
But it turns out to be
interesting. Let me know

608
00:34:25,050 --> 00:34:27,630
everybody who listens to this
show is on top of the

609
00:34:27,630 --> 00:34:30,300
appeasement thing and will be
able to spot it as the

610
00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:33,240
propaganda district machine
starts to grind away on poor

611
00:34:33,240 --> 00:34:33,840
Obama.

612
00:34:35,580 --> 00:34:40,740
That is interesting to track.
Well, I guess the education now

613
00:34:40,740 --> 00:34:43,110
that what you said, you know,
since a lot of people I mean, I

614
00:34:43,110 --> 00:34:44,940
had to look it up and like
appeasement, let me just look it

615
00:34:44,940 --> 00:34:49,140
up. So let's watch out for the
education process of the

616
00:34:49,140 --> 00:34:50,640
appeasement mean.

617
00:34:51,540 --> 00:34:55,140
Well, I will end in the end, and
the rebirth, the rebirth of

618
00:34:55,140 --> 00:34:57,480
Neville Chamberlain, that's a
funny one, by the way, you

619
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,970
should everyone should go take a
look at that Wikipedia page on

620
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,180
Neville Chamberlain, just to see
all these photos that are in

621
00:35:03,180 --> 00:35:07,020
there of these British stick in
the muds, and there's one after

622
00:35:07,020 --> 00:35:09,240
another, it's unbelievable to
hear him are

623
00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:14,910
now careful that I live over
here. I had an interesting

624
00:35:14,910 --> 00:35:21,630
conversation on Wednesday, you
know, I'm finishing up some some

625
00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:26,850
historical tax crap with the
with the IRS. And so I got a

626
00:35:26,850 --> 00:35:31,080
really nice tax lawyer, Bob, and
Bob lives in Connecticut. And,

627
00:35:31,140 --> 00:35:33,180
you know, we used to do
everything through email, but

628
00:35:33,210 --> 00:35:35,820
you know, talk to him. And I've
only known the guy for a little

629
00:35:35,820 --> 00:35:38,040
bit, because it's just been a
short kind of thing you've had

630
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,580
to do for me. So I get on the
phone with him, we're chatting

631
00:35:41,580 --> 00:35:43,650
away, you know, and so we
basically go through whatever we

632
00:35:43,650 --> 00:35:46,950
want need to do in like, 45
minutes, like, I might as well

633
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:49,500
talk with a guy for 15 minutes,
he's gonna bill me for a full

634
00:35:49,500 --> 00:35:54,450
hour anyway. Right? And so when
you're talking, he's interested

635
00:35:54,450 --> 00:35:57,810
in me, VO and how, you know,
what kind of stuff on my show.

636
00:35:57,810 --> 00:36:00,390
And you know, he also has to
kind of understand some things

637
00:36:00,390 --> 00:36:02,460
because believe it or not, you
know, I'm one of these people

638
00:36:02,460 --> 00:36:05,400
that has to write down how many
days in which fucking country

639
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,670
to, to pay tax in the right
place. And so he just wants to

640
00:36:08,670 --> 00:36:11,130
understand what's work and how,
you know, how do we do it when

641
00:36:11,130 --> 00:36:13,320
I'm doing something for the
Netherlands from here, or I'm

642
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:18,990
doing something here for, for
San Francisco. And then what

643
00:36:18,990 --> 00:36:21,750
else you do for kicks, man, he's
like, Oh, I'm actually volunteer

644
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:25,830
ambulance driver, up here in
Connecticut. And that's part of

645
00:36:25,830 --> 00:36:28,830
the Department of Homeland
Security. And, you know, so I,

646
00:36:28,830 --> 00:36:31,050
of course, you know, start
laughing and I launched into my

647
00:36:31,050 --> 00:36:33,960
whole, you know, my crap, trying
to get into the country, which,

648
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,860
of course, has nothing to do
with DHS. But, you know, we're

649
00:36:37,860 --> 00:36:39,840
talking about this, oh, man, I
gotta tell you something really

650
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,110
amazing. Because he's one of
these guys that has a, you know,

651
00:36:43,110 --> 00:36:47,850
a special ID card that should
when Armageddon strikes, then he

652
00:36:47,850 --> 00:36:50,580
gets to the front of the line
for vaccinations or any

653
00:36:50,580 --> 00:36:54,210
necessary stuff in order to help
people. And there's a number of

654
00:36:54,210 --> 00:36:57,900
these guys in not just an
ambulance to like services like

655
00:36:57,900 --> 00:37:01,830
ambulance driving, but also it's
well known that they're, you

656
00:37:01,830 --> 00:37:05,550
know, businessmen, who are also
a part of, you know, have a DHS

657
00:37:05,550 --> 00:37:08,460
credentials, for instance,
supply food or whatever is

658
00:37:08,460 --> 00:37:12,090
necessary. And he said that one
weekend, they were all called

659
00:37:12,090 --> 00:37:15,330
up, you know, not just the
ambulance drivers, but a couple

660
00:37:15,330 --> 00:37:18,330
of the services, because they
needed some real manpower. And

661
00:37:18,330 --> 00:37:23,940
turns out they had these What do
you call it actually wrote down

662
00:37:25,590 --> 00:37:30,000
like sanitation kits. And so you
know, they have a stockpile

663
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,790
warehouse of stuff that, you
know, once it when when

664
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:34,830
something goes wrong, then these
guys know how to, you know,

665
00:37:34,830 --> 00:37:39,270
gotta go get it and distribute
it. And they had to open up

666
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:44,070
every single Saturday kit. And
he said, There were 1000s and

667
00:37:44,070 --> 00:37:48,330
remove the tooth toothpaste,
because they were tainted. They

668
00:37:48,330 --> 00:37:52,500
were the toothpaste that was
tainted from China. Oh, my

669
00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:58,260
goodness. And I'm thinking to
myself, how in the frig can we

670
00:37:58,260 --> 00:38:03,210
have Department of Homeland
Security being so stupid as to

671
00:38:03,210 --> 00:38:06,870
put, you know, stuff that you
put into your body, especially

672
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:10,110
in the case of emergency that
has been purchased from a

673
00:38:10,110 --> 00:38:16,110
foreign country? And oh, by the
way, China? I mean, so you could

674
00:38:16,140 --> 00:38:18,960
you know, if you want to make
sure that after you've dropped

675
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,470
the bomb, you kill everybody
else. Just sell toothpaste.

676
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,250
Wow, that's a story. Nobody got.

677
00:38:26,279 --> 00:38:31,919
That's amazing, isn't it? Yeah,
it's a scoop. Yeah. I said,

678
00:38:31,919 --> 00:38:35,519
dude, is it okay, if I, is it?
Okay, if I said to talk about

679
00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:39,299
this? Yeah, sure. No, as long as
you as long as you have a lawyer

680
00:38:39,299 --> 00:38:40,829
that understands that type of
business.

681
00:38:42,090 --> 00:38:44,340
Yeah, well, you didn't give his
name. And it's just a fact.

682
00:38:44,730 --> 00:38:47,640
Anyway, facts are always good.
So I just

683
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,480
want to what I just think that's
a huge risk, a huge risk. They

684
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:51,810
handle

685
00:38:52,170 --> 00:38:54,660
things that you know what the
fact of the matter is, they know

686
00:38:54,660 --> 00:38:57,120
nothing is gonna happen. That
stuff's all going to expire

687
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:04,020
anyway and get thrown into the,
into the landfill. Okay. I mean,

688
00:39:04,020 --> 00:39:06,660
but yeah, I agree with you. I
think it's stupid. can I

689
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:09,330
complain about something? G a

690
00:39:09,330 --> 00:39:11,550
surprise. You know, here

691
00:39:11,550 --> 00:39:13,650
this is it. I just, I was
thinking about this, because

692
00:39:13,650 --> 00:39:17,070
earlier before we started the
show, I called you and I use

693
00:39:17,070 --> 00:39:20,820
Skype, I was on Skype and I hit
your number on Skype and and it

694
00:39:20,820 --> 00:39:23,760
forwards because you have call
forwarding setup, by the way,

695
00:39:23,940 --> 00:39:28,110
which people should know works
amazingly well. And it goes to

696
00:39:28,110 --> 00:39:30,330
your cell phone. It sounds like
you're on your I mean, you sound

697
00:39:30,330 --> 00:39:32,100
like it's an outstanding
connection.

698
00:39:32,190 --> 00:39:35,370
Well, there's only there's only
one drawback. And that is it

699
00:39:35,370 --> 00:39:37,290
does not pass on caller ID.

700
00:39:38,370 --> 00:39:41,730
This is what I'm getting to.
Yep. Okay. There's more to it

701
00:39:41,730 --> 00:39:46,710
than that. What's really weird
about it, is that if you're not

702
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:49,080
really good picking up right
away or something that goes to a

703
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:54,780
message box, AT and T interrupts
the call and I've gotten this

704
00:39:54,780 --> 00:39:57,180
number of times I've had they do
it not necessarily just with

705
00:39:57,180 --> 00:39:59,970
Skype, they do it occasionally
with other other systems too.

706
00:40:00,330 --> 00:40:03,270
But I get the feeling that Skype
is the reason they're doing it

707
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:06,210
because they're losing their
butt on the fact that Skype is

708
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:10,320
doing this free call for me to
you and you're in England.

709
00:40:10,739 --> 00:40:14,339
So, so hold on. So when you call
me it forwards and if I don't

710
00:40:14,339 --> 00:40:18,719
answer a phone, my phone is off.
It doesn't go to voicemail, at&t

711
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:19,589
disconnects.

712
00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:24,659
No, it goes to an 18 T voicemail
that asks me to put your phone

713
00:40:24,659 --> 00:40:25,349
number in.

714
00:40:25,619 --> 00:40:29,159
No, no, no, no, dude, that's
just okay, I got that one.

715
00:40:29,189 --> 00:40:33,749
That's just me. 18 t's bleep
check this out. Because this has

716
00:40:33,749 --> 00:40:37,319
been irritating me for quite a
while. 18 t's roaming partner in

717
00:40:37,319 --> 00:40:41,549
the UK is oh two. And by the
way, if you buy the iPhone over

718
00:40:41,549 --> 00:40:44,729
here, it comes with an O two
subscription. Right? So they are

719
00:40:44,729 --> 00:40:48,419
definitely connected. That is
the only network it doesn't

720
00:40:48,419 --> 00:40:50,939
happen happen. If I'm on
Vodafone, it doesn't happen. If

721
00:40:50,939 --> 00:40:58,109
I'm on three, three, it doesn't
happen. If I'm on T Mobile. It

722
00:40:58,109 --> 00:41:01,139
then it goes to it doesn't go
automatically to the to the

723
00:41:01,139 --> 00:41:04,739
voicemail, it gives you that
please enter the 10 digit number

724
00:41:04,739 --> 00:41:08,669
blahdy blahdy blahdy blah. And I
also can't retrieve my voicemail

725
00:41:08,699 --> 00:41:11,699
through their own frickin
partner here in the UK. Now, if

726
00:41:11,699 --> 00:41:15,389
I change the network and I roam
on a different network, we get

727
00:41:15,389 --> 00:41:16,589
an astronomical bill.

728
00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:21,780
So now this will okay so let's
go back back up a couple of

729
00:41:21,780 --> 00:41:25,530
notches. What I'm claiming,
well, this is interesting, but

730
00:41:25,530 --> 00:41:29,130
what why are the here's the
point I am calling through a

731
00:41:29,130 --> 00:41:31,860
network. We're all these
numbers. And by the way, I'm

732
00:41:31,860 --> 00:41:36,090
gonna you know, it's not what
you're supposed to say. But I'm

733
00:41:36,090 --> 00:41:39,930
still amused my kids actually
all know about this too. We all

734
00:41:39,930 --> 00:41:43,290
laugh when it comes up on a TV
show where the guy says keep him

735
00:41:43,290 --> 00:41:46,170
on the line as long as you can
we got to track trace the call.

736
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,410
I've almost triangulated

737
00:41:50,130 --> 00:41:53,550
you know, it's like the call.
All the details are in the line

738
00:41:53,580 --> 00:41:56,640
immediately. So you don't have
to trace anything but the point

739
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,120
is and it gives us bullshit. But
anyway, the thing is, they've

740
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:04,230
got my number they've got to
number I dialled they have a 10

741
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:06,960
digit number I doubt why are
they asking for me to put it in

742
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,200
again. The only person that
can't put it in is a guy who

743
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,810
didn't dial it at all but
somebody coming in through Skype

744
00:42:13,050 --> 00:42:17,460
I understand what you're saying
John? But I don't think it's

745
00:42:17,460 --> 00:42:20,460
much worse than that. They're
not they're not doing that just

746
00:42:20,460 --> 00:42:22,710
because you're coming through
Skype they do it who no matter

747
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:24,090
who calls me gets that.

748
00:42:24,810 --> 00:42:27,240
No, I've got to have a regular
line too but on the regular I

749
00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:29,970
can punch the number back in and
so then it goes through but if

750
00:42:29,970 --> 00:42:31,950
I'm coming in through Skype I
don't know what the number is.

751
00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:36,780
So it's like a it's a blocking
factor is a natural it's like

752
00:42:36,780 --> 00:42:40,440
itself it's a self generated

753
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:44,190
but you're not hearing me who
else who else do you call that

754
00:42:44,190 --> 00:42:50,130
this happens to no one only with
me who else do you call who is

755
00:42:50,130 --> 00:42:50,340
going

756
00:42:50,700 --> 00:42:53,340
to think about it think about
that. I don't call them any

757
00:42:53,340 --> 00:42:56,430
people on Skype that get their
calls forwarded to a cell phone

758
00:42:57,150 --> 00:43:02,220
so first of all of course this
is this is so it is messed up

759
00:43:02,220 --> 00:43:06,450
because no matter who calls me
with proper caller ID if the

760
00:43:06,450 --> 00:43:09,690
calling from a landline calling
from the UK the United States

761
00:43:09,690 --> 00:43:13,710
the Netherlands wherever they're
calling from if my cell phone if

762
00:43:13,710 --> 00:43:17,400
my cell phone is on the otoo
network which is the default

763
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,970
roaming partner for AT and T in
the United Kingdom you get to

764
00:43:20,970 --> 00:43:25,290
that fricking stupid menu where
you have to enter the 10 digit

765
00:43:25,290 --> 00:43:29,820
number if I'm roaming on any
other network here it goes

766
00:43:29,820 --> 00:43:34,470
straight to voicemail the way it
should so the problem is not

767
00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:38,730
with I don't believe the problem
is with AT and T did a denying

768
00:43:38,730 --> 00:43:41,370
Skype they wanted to how can
they even do that when they're

769
00:43:41,370 --> 00:43:44,430
such boneheads they can't even
make it a regular calls go to

770
00:43:44,430 --> 00:43:47,160
voicemail Of course they have
all the information there for

771
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:48,150
just fucked up.

772
00:43:48,540 --> 00:43:50,760
So there has to be an agenda.

773
00:43:51,810 --> 00:43:55,530
I don't think there's an agenda.
Why would you screw your your

774
00:43:55,530 --> 00:43:56,610
own partner?

775
00:43:58,890 --> 00:44:01,170
I don't know. I'm just telling
you it's just annoying as you

776
00:44:01,170 --> 00:44:04,380
know, I call and I've been doing
on Skype I mean I if I'm doing

777
00:44:04,380 --> 00:44:07,050
on cell phone I yeah, I just you
know it's not a problem getting

778
00:44:07,050 --> 00:44:10,170
the number but and I can punch
it in and it goes to it does go

779
00:44:10,170 --> 00:44:13,320
to some voicemail that
apparently you don't hear. And

780
00:44:13,830 --> 00:44:14,190
you have

781
00:44:14,190 --> 00:44:17,430
no idea how many
misconfigurations take place on

782
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:20,820
these networks. Just you know I
travelled between three

783
00:44:20,820 --> 00:44:25,980
countries. And my also my text
messages started arriving five

784
00:44:25,980 --> 00:44:29,070
hours late which really pisses
me off because they cost money

785
00:44:29,070 --> 00:44:31,470
for a reason. You know, that's
guaranteed delivery. It's

786
00:44:31,470 --> 00:44:34,650
supposed to get there and you're
supposed to happen. It really

787
00:44:34,650 --> 00:44:36,690
pisses me off when you can't
rely on that.

788
00:44:38,250 --> 00:44:40,110
Yeah, I know you've complained
about this and it's happened to

789
00:44:40,110 --> 00:44:44,220
me because once in a while I'll
get a voicemail from you. You

790
00:44:44,220 --> 00:44:47,700
know a day late. That comes in
out of the blue it says yeah,

791
00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:51,660
I'll be there in 10 minutes.
Great. Where was I supposed to

792
00:44:51,660 --> 00:44:51,960
be a

793
00:44:52,620 --> 00:44:55,200
skeleton of me you know,
standing with my finger on the

794
00:44:55,200 --> 00:45:00,000
buzzer. not opening up. Yeah,
no, that's that's very fun.

795
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,000
frustrating. It's only in the UK
that that happens with, with

796
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,040
OTR. I've been meaning to
mention that because a lot of

797
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,920
people say, but couldn't leave
you a voicemail, you know, and

798
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:16,080
no matter where they're calling
from anyway, sorry to blow your

799
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,400
conspiracy theory there. But

800
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,960
I'm not completely convinced
it's not an element of what I'm

801
00:45:22,170 --> 00:45:23,160
suspecting. And

802
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,190
by the way to people who have
been talking about this, yes, I

803
00:45:26,190 --> 00:45:29,100
am subservient most of the time
to John on these conversations,

804
00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:34,470
but he's also he's also 10 years
older than I am, well, nine or

805
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:39,000
eight years, and more worldly
and smarter. And I'm actually

806
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,880
trying to learn something, and
it's nice to be not the lead

807
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:42,390
dog.

808
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,770
Well, I'm not the lead dog now.
But any conversation?

809
00:45:46,770 --> 00:45:48,570
Yeah, feel free to patronise me.

810
00:45:49,230 --> 00:45:54,810
Okay, I'll do that. Somebody's
got to do it. So what do you got

811
00:45:54,810 --> 00:45:57,840
on your no agenda list? Um,

812
00:45:58,980 --> 00:46:03,390
I did want to thank you for
sticking up for me VO for the

813
00:46:03,390 --> 00:46:06,840
company on the last twit. At the
very end there. That was nice.

814
00:46:08,190 --> 00:46:10,830
Oh, it's because, you know, one
of the people was talking out of

815
00:46:10,830 --> 00:46:15,240
there, behind as it were, and it
was just like, you know, you

816
00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:18,240
know, it's like anything else? I
mean, if you're not in the, you

817
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:20,700
know, I mean, you can of course,
I didn't like the expert of just

818
00:46:20,730 --> 00:46:24,960
blowing, you know, blowing smoke
about stuff. I only know half

819
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,980
the story about, but generally
speaking, if you do that

820
00:46:28,980 --> 00:46:31,650
sometimes you do get the real
story because people said, No,

821
00:46:31,650 --> 00:46:34,350
you're completely wrong. And
here's what really happened. And

822
00:46:34,350 --> 00:46:38,880
I always correct myself. I mean,
I've always done it, by the way.

823
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:43,110
So I'm yesterday I'm standing
out is hot here. So I'm watching

824
00:46:43,110 --> 00:46:47,400
there's some kid. This is a
subject we have to bring up and

825
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:52,650
do a whole show about. The kid
has gone by on a scooter with

826
00:46:52,650 --> 00:46:55,020
the handles, you know, it's not
like a skateboard.

827
00:46:55,530 --> 00:46:59,880
Oh, zappy one of those. Well,
skateboard and it has

828
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:00,630
handlebars,

829
00:47:00,930 --> 00:47:04,290
it's got handlebars, and it's
got like four wheels and an

830
00:47:04,290 --> 00:47:07,110
energy and he's pushing it is
obviously not designed to go

831
00:47:07,110 --> 00:47:07,650
very fast.

832
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,950
Oh, one of those things. It has
no engine. It's just the Yeah,

833
00:47:10,980 --> 00:47:11,430
yeah, I know.

834
00:47:12,660 --> 00:47:16,590
Gold's going up the street, you
know, 1/10 of a mile an hour. I

835
00:47:16,590 --> 00:47:18,930
mean, I could walk faster than
this kid's pushing this thing.

836
00:47:18,930 --> 00:47:27,120
Okay. Yeah. He's got a helmet
on. Yeah. So I'm thinking what

837
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,910
the heck is wrong with? I mean,
yeah, I understand the helmets

838
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:32,070
are important on bicycling, and
some people don't wear them. And

839
00:47:32,070 --> 00:47:34,200
you know, motorcycle for sure.
Because you can hurt yourself in

840
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:36,720
your head is something you don't
want to like get damaged.

841
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:39,600
Because it's, you know, you
can't do much without it. But

842
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,140
come on. I mean, at what point
do we just wear a helmet to go

843
00:47:43,140 --> 00:47:45,990
to the go shopping? I'm not
expecting to go to, you know,

844
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:48,360
one of the stores around here.
Somebody's pushing around a cart

845
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:49,410
with a helmet on?

846
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:50,310
How old was he?

847
00:47:50,340 --> 00:47:53,670
You think candy looked like he
was 12? Oh, well,

848
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:58,140
of course, that's, you know, an
entire generation of parents

849
00:47:58,140 --> 00:48:01,920
turning their kids into pussies.
You know, somebody I remember

850
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:06,270
when I was six years old, we
were visiting friends. This is

851
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:09,540
here's one four, I still have a
picture and I'm sure I can find

852
00:48:09,540 --> 00:48:14,460
it. We were visiting friends in
Texas, I think it was Dallas.

853
00:48:14,730 --> 00:48:17,520
And I was it was like, I was
completely in this nine maybe it

854
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,680
was Yeah, and I was six or
seven. And I was completely into

855
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,010
skateboarding. Skateboarding was
everything. I'm sorry, it was

856
00:48:23,010 --> 00:48:27,720
nine. And so I'm like, Yeah, I'm
gonna go skateboarding because

857
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:32,370
that is really you know, they
live in kind of a you know, one

858
00:48:32,370 --> 00:48:35,310
of those very suburban type
areas, you know, rack housing,

859
00:48:35,310 --> 00:48:39,810
etc. And but nice asphalt. And
all of a sudden, I find myself

860
00:48:39,810 --> 00:48:42,510
on something I really had not
been on having learned how to

861
00:48:42,510 --> 00:48:45,120
skateboard in the Netherlands,
and that was on a significant

862
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:49,170
Hill. And so I'm going down, I'm
like, I'm picking up speed. I'm

863
00:48:49,170 --> 00:48:51,750
like, holy crap. And at that
same moment, you know,

864
00:48:51,750 --> 00:48:56,640
basically, I was trying to
occupy the same space of road as

865
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:02,010
a truck. So basically, I wind up
wiping out but you know, comply

866
00:49:02,010 --> 00:49:06,420
to black eyes. Because I fell on
my nose. You know, I My, my, my

867
00:49:06,420 --> 00:49:09,420
elbows were fine, but my knees
were no I'm sorry. My shins were

868
00:49:09,420 --> 00:49:11,580
my knees were fine with my
elbows. You know, completely

869
00:49:11,580 --> 00:49:15,240
shot I still have gravel in my
left elbow from from that

870
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:18,060
Wipeout. And that was what it
was like, man, as kids like you

871
00:49:18,060 --> 00:49:21,870
got fucked up. And you know, you
took a tumble. And guess what? I

872
00:49:21,870 --> 00:49:25,140
ain't gonna do that shit on that
skateboard. No more. I learned

873
00:49:25,140 --> 00:49:26,310
my lesson. Good.

874
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,200
Well, anyway, so there I think
you might have something you

875
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,780
know, we my wife and I talked
about this regeneration of

876
00:49:33,780 --> 00:49:34,560
pussies thing.

877
00:49:36,180 --> 00:49:38,790
I can't wait to meet her man. It
comes

878
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:42,180
up in the conversation. When
we're watching. You know, the

879
00:49:42,180 --> 00:49:44,910
British version of what I
consider one of the great and

880
00:49:44,910 --> 00:49:46,800
I've said it before, I'll say it
again. One of the great

881
00:49:47,370 --> 00:49:52,980
management consultants ran
Ramsay, Gordon Ramsay comes into

882
00:49:52,980 --> 00:49:55,320
these places and when he when he
runs into this certain

883
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,670
generation, the younger people,
he runs into these these wimpy

884
00:49:59,670 --> 00:50:04,050
care actors that are that he has
to yell and scream at. And

885
00:50:04,050 --> 00:50:07,590
there's a whole generation of
people that have not there

886
00:50:07,590 --> 00:50:10,050
aren't used to this they are
have been born, especially in

887
00:50:10,050 --> 00:50:12,630
the United States where they've
been raised with political

888
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:15,300
correctness. Well, they've been,
it's dying that but it's this

889
00:50:15,330 --> 00:50:19,980
self esteem crap, where you
know, you're a winner, we should

890
00:50:19,980 --> 00:50:23,130
have sports that there's no
competition, my kids went to the

891
00:50:23,130 --> 00:50:24,960
schools that did this, and I
would, you know, got them out of

892
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,180
those schools, you know, you
know, that should be a game that

893
00:50:27,180 --> 00:50:30,000
shouldn't be a winner and loser,
Everyone's a winner, that guy

894
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,000
who came in last is the last
winner, you know, this kind of

895
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,790
thing. And it's just you don't
have to do well, you don't have

896
00:50:35,790 --> 00:50:38,850
to perform, you're, you're,
you're you yourself, this,

897
00:50:38,940 --> 00:50:41,610
you're important cuz you're a
person and all this kind of

898
00:50:41,610 --> 00:50:45,330
crap. And it's been, and it
results in over a generation of

899
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,550
people that don't perform very
well. So

900
00:50:47,580 --> 00:50:51,060
so this brings me to my
favourite topic having just been

901
00:50:51,660 --> 00:50:54,450
show business bitch from my
wife, which means carrying her

902
00:50:54,450 --> 00:50:57,480
suitcases, getting her tea and
keeping people keeping people

903
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,950
out of her dressing room. Once
again, she had the third set the

904
00:51:01,950 --> 00:51:05,400
last semi final, the next show
will be the finals of Holland's

905
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,360
Got Talent. And I'm so proud of
my wife, because she's sitting

906
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,850
there in the audience. And
there's, you know, and the show

907
00:51:11,850 --> 00:51:14,280
was beautiful, the lighting is
beautiful, and people are doing

908
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,710
stuff. And you can see they've
really put effort into it. But

909
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:20,310
I'm sorry, a lot of it just
sucked. And she said in the end,

910
00:51:20,310 --> 00:51:23,700
she just says it. And there were
lose the end for the semi final

911
00:51:23,700 --> 00:51:28,710
were two kids, an eight year old
Chinese kid named Oscar, which

912
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:34,110
is a perfect name for Chinese
kid. And a 13 year old Dutch

913
00:51:34,110 --> 00:51:36,930
girl who sang had a musical
performance, you know, like,

914
00:51:37,020 --> 00:51:40,830
some piece from a Dutch musical.
And you know, then the judges

915
00:51:40,830 --> 00:51:43,410
have to make the final decision
on these two. And so you have

916
00:51:43,410 --> 00:51:47,940
these two young kids sitting
next to each other. And you can

917
00:51:47,940 --> 00:51:50,760
just hear hearts breaking
everywhere, you know, but they

918
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:54,420
did. And they, they just had to
be honest and say boom, you

919
00:51:54,420 --> 00:51:58,050
know, kid, you're out go home.
But that, you know, this is

920
00:51:58,050 --> 00:52:01,710
what's really I like about this
show is there are actual losers

921
00:52:01,710 --> 00:52:05,520
and they say I'm sorry, you lose
go home, go away, not, you know,

922
00:52:06,030 --> 00:52:10,530
well, you know, good try. No,
it's just exit. Good try exit.

923
00:52:11,490 --> 00:52:15,030
And that's good. There's some
social value to that I feel

924
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:15,210
well,

925
00:52:15,210 --> 00:52:19,800
it's still you know, it's still
if you go back in time, that's,

926
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,750
you know, the start looking at
the history of all this stuff.

927
00:52:22,170 --> 00:52:24,450
You know, there used to be
amateur hour shows and used to

928
00:52:24,450 --> 00:52:28,170
be these kinds of shows forever
because people you know, it's a

929
00:52:28,170 --> 00:52:30,510
good way to get people to work
for nothing is let's face

930
00:52:30,510 --> 00:52:33,480
reality, man. But anyway, they
used to have a thing where a guy

931
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:38,670
would come out with a hook. Like
the term give him the hook has

932
00:52:38,670 --> 00:52:41,100
to do with this and it wouldn't
be it wasn't just got kinder and

933
00:52:41,100 --> 00:52:41,940
gentler world

934
00:52:42,510 --> 00:52:46,200
that still exists in Showtime at
the Apollo the Sandman will come

935
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,930
out with the hook. If the
audience boos you off the stage.

936
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:49,410
It's still

937
00:52:50,340 --> 00:52:54,060
right, they blew you off the
stage. And if you go back even

938
00:52:54,060 --> 00:52:56,340
further, and you start looking
at the history of the theatre in

939
00:52:56,340 --> 00:53:01,020
the 1800s they used to throw
stuff at this day, people would

940
00:53:01,020 --> 00:53:05,550
come in with boxes of tomatoes,
usually rotten eggs, because

941
00:53:05,550 --> 00:53:08,520
their eggs everywhere back then
because people had chickens, and

942
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,160
you can't eat enough that you
can't eat eggs. Believe me if

943
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:12,750
you haven't been you've had more
than three or four chickens.

944
00:53:12,750 --> 00:53:16,140
There's no way so you bring them
to the theatre. And at some

945
00:53:16,140 --> 00:53:19,560
crappy Act came out they were
just pelt them with rotten

946
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:25,920
cabbages and his amazing days is
that this is a vaudeville was

947
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,490
one of the but no, no, actually
the if you'd go back to the

948
00:53:29,490 --> 00:53:33,720
1860s There's a number of good
books on this. And you read

949
00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:37,320
about the we're talking about
the regular theatre where people

950
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:41,550
would come out and sing and
dance it wasn't vaudeville. Per

951
00:53:41,550 --> 00:53:46,710
Se vaudeville is actually a kind
of something that developed in a

952
00:53:47,010 --> 00:53:51,270
out of Burlesque burlesque which
was basically burlesque was it

953
00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:55,290
was a it was a subcategory of
the formal theatre, but it was

954
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,840
it was basically dirty. I mean
it we just do.

955
00:53:58,860 --> 00:54:03,930
Sexy secular sexy, sexy. There
you go, John, this is exactly

956
00:54:03,930 --> 00:54:04,710
the problem we have.

957
00:54:06,300 --> 00:54:08,640
Now the problem we have is you
and the political correct use of

958
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,750
the word sexy. This is not sexy.
I got I got to go to a couple of

959
00:54:13,710 --> 00:54:18,150
It's not dirty. Dirty, let's
call it corny.

960
00:54:18,180 --> 00:54:21,000
A dirty comic would come out
with dirty jokes. And these

961
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,880
girls were just you know, they
were dirty this there's nothing

962
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:29,940
sexy about it. Anyway, so that
was not family entertainment. So

963
00:54:29,940 --> 00:54:32,670
they developed burlesque I'm
excited vaudeville came out of

964
00:54:32,670 --> 00:54:36,810
that and developed down by in
that Canal Street area.

965
00:54:36,810 --> 00:54:37,080
Actually,

966
00:54:37,110 --> 00:54:40,680
we're really you're you're so
knowledgeable. I love this.

967
00:54:41,100 --> 00:54:43,890
Now, I just happened to read a
couple books on it. Anyway, so

968
00:54:43,890 --> 00:54:46,260
but the thing is the regular
theatre where they people would

969
00:54:46,260 --> 00:54:48,630
come out and they'd sing or they
do a play or something like

970
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:51,150
that. That's where they throw
the stuff. It's like going to

971
00:54:51,150 --> 00:54:54,480
Broadway today and watching you
know, lay ms or something and

972
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:58,770
enter the heaving tomato guy
with the with the mask. I mean,

973
00:54:58,830 --> 00:54:59,400
I just

974
00:54:59,430 --> 00:55:04,110
this is the Next, this is the
next level in reality shows you

975
00:55:04,110 --> 00:55:07,080
let the audience in on the act
but you actually really let them

976
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,810
in on the act and you let them
come in with rotten eggs and

977
00:55:09,810 --> 00:55:13,260
tomatoes and we just take it
back to those times. I would

978
00:55:13,260 --> 00:55:16,410
watch that show of course you
would specifically because I'd

979
00:55:16,410 --> 00:55:19,260
have the guy telling dirty jokes
in the in the tickets out on

980
00:55:19,260 --> 00:55:22,680
stage. This is my kind of show
Johnny.

981
00:55:23,580 --> 00:55:26,490
So actually, you know, a show
where people got a little more

982
00:55:26,490 --> 00:55:28,350
involved. I mean, it would
probably be kind of interesting

983
00:55:28,350 --> 00:55:31,620
although with today's you know,
audience today's we don't kind

984
00:55:31,620 --> 00:55:34,530
of understand the you know, the
what the what the rules really

985
00:55:34,530 --> 00:55:37,560
aren't some guy bring a gun and
like shoot, the guy was done the

986
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,990
stage, you know, kind of thing.
But yeah, I think it'd be

987
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:43,860
entertaining to let people have
maybe the limited the people to

988
00:55:43,860 --> 00:55:48,480
maybe one a bag, and maybe one
cabbage and one tomato each. And

989
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,190
they could only use them. You
know, you

990
00:55:50,190 --> 00:55:53,430
had a certain limit. Yeah, you
have a okay. Yeah, you don't

991
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:53,550
like

992
00:55:53,700 --> 00:55:55,770
the box of tomatoes, just
throwing them up there because

993
00:55:55,770 --> 00:55:57,870
he wants to practice his
pitching. And by

994
00:55:57,870 --> 00:56:02,130
the way, studio audiences are
screened. They do go through

995
00:56:02,130 --> 00:56:06,840
metal detectors. At least they
do on any show my wife is

996
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:07,620
performing on.

997
00:56:08,250 --> 00:56:10,200
Well, that's because you're in
the audience.

998
00:56:11,970 --> 00:56:14,610
I'm everywhere. I have eyes
everywhere.

999
00:56:16,050 --> 00:56:19,620
So anyway, yeah. So that's kind
of the the,

1000
00:56:19,890 --> 00:56:23,010
we have so much to do. We have
we have shows to start, we have

1001
00:56:23,010 --> 00:56:23,880
oh my gosh,

1002
00:56:24,570 --> 00:56:27,300
I liked the idea, that tomato
show. I think that would work.

1003
00:56:27,330 --> 00:56:31,290
You know what, hey, that's a
guy, you get a good guy. And

1004
00:56:31,290 --> 00:56:34,290
that guy really has a good
accurate arm. So you can just

1005
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:35,790
hit somebody right in the head.

1006
00:56:35,820 --> 00:56:38,160
So what why don't we get you
know, this, this could be really

1007
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,340
easy. We could do this with me
vo no problem. And we can we can

1008
00:56:41,340 --> 00:56:44,190
put together a treatment and and
put together a budget, it

1009
00:56:44,190 --> 00:56:47,220
doesn't have to be hugely
expensive to do this and you

1010
00:56:47,220 --> 00:56:50,730
rent out a place. You set the
ground rules and you have you

1011
00:56:50,730 --> 00:56:53,340
know, you just invite people to
come and do their act. And then

1012
00:56:53,370 --> 00:56:57,840
you know, either go or you get
thrown at you and I look at

1013
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,050
doing with two or two cameras,
we could do a hell of a lot. We

1014
00:57:01,050 --> 00:57:02,700
could really get a lot
accomplished.

1015
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:07,740
We definitely need a cleanup
crew. Why? details

1016
00:57:07,740 --> 00:57:15,420
details? That's what interns are
for. I wrote something down

1017
00:57:15,420 --> 00:57:20,190
here. You know, I carry my iPod
Touch everywhere. I love it. And

1018
00:57:20,190 --> 00:57:23,460
we'll have to see if I switch to
the new iPhone with 3g when it

1019
00:57:23,460 --> 00:57:27,540
comes out. So far, you will
probably but I did the crack

1020
00:57:27,540 --> 00:57:30,750
thing the zip phone hack
whatever it is on the iPod Touch

1021
00:57:30,750 --> 00:57:33,570
so I can load all the all the
cool applications and there's

1022
00:57:33,570 --> 00:57:38,010
some that are actually use
usable. Anyway, you said

1023
00:57:38,010 --> 00:57:40,770
something on I think it was no
agenda. You were talking about

1024
00:57:41,550 --> 00:57:45,900
cameras with a GPS receiver in
it. So it would geotag the

1025
00:57:45,900 --> 00:57:46,500
pictures.

1026
00:57:47,070 --> 00:57:49,230
I was on a tech five.

1027
00:57:50,010 --> 00:57:51,360
What did I say? That was?

1028
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:52,680
You said no agenda.

1029
00:57:52,830 --> 00:57:56,310
I'm sorry. Tech five. Yeah. And
that you finally you would you'd

1030
00:57:56,310 --> 00:57:56,730
always by

1031
00:57:56,730 --> 00:58:00,450
the way, which can be found at
Tech five with a five.media.com

1032
00:58:00,690 --> 00:58:05,070
and that you had always
inherited poo pooed them until

1033
00:58:05,070 --> 00:58:08,190
you actually found it was quite
handy dog pictures and be able

1034
00:58:08,190 --> 00:58:10,710
to place them exactly where you
were when you were on your

1035
00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:11,460
Korean trip.

1036
00:58:12,180 --> 00:58:15,390
Yeah, I thought about it for a
while. And I realised that, you

1037
00:58:15,390 --> 00:58:19,650
know, I don't go to like Korea
every minute. And so you but I'm

1038
00:58:19,650 --> 00:58:21,660
pretty good at find my way
around. But I realised that I

1039
00:58:21,660 --> 00:58:24,810
have a lot of shots that you
know, you take if you if you

1040
00:58:24,810 --> 00:58:27,180
like me, and you'd like to
really, if you're travelling,

1041
00:58:27,180 --> 00:58:29,550
you just take a lot of pictures
because just fun to look to even

1042
00:58:29,550 --> 00:58:32,910
find something that's, that's
worth having. And you'd shoot,

1043
00:58:32,910 --> 00:58:34,950
shoot, shoot and and you shoot
and shoot out of the window.

1044
00:58:34,950 --> 00:58:37,530
Sometimes I should i cap windows
a lot, I see something weird.

1045
00:58:37,530 --> 00:58:39,660
And I say oh, look at that, and
I'll shoot it. And you know,

1046
00:58:39,660 --> 00:58:42,960
most of these pictures, just a
waste. But but occasionally you

1047
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,150
catch something that's pretty
cool. And then you sort them out

1048
00:58:45,150 --> 00:58:47,430
and you end it. And so you end
up with this picture that you

1049
00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:50,280
say wow, that's pretty cool.
It's like in there you see some

1050
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,620
what that I didn't know, I would
like to go to that store that's

1051
00:58:52,620 --> 00:58:56,790
in that picture. I don't know
where it is, it would be cool to

1052
00:58:56,790 --> 00:59:00,300
have a GPS data attached to that
photo. So I knew exactly where

1053
00:59:00,300 --> 00:59:02,520
that picture was taken. So I
could actually go back to that

1054
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:06,240
spot. And I could I couldn't
really think of any real reason

1055
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:10,470
to have GPS data on photos until
I realised that that reason I

1056
00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:12,090
just described as a really good
one.

1057
00:59:12,210 --> 00:59:15,810
So this so this kind of ties
into my iPod Touch and the

1058
00:59:15,810 --> 00:59:18,060
iPhone, the new iPhone, and I
was thinking the following

1059
00:59:18,060 --> 00:59:19,680
because you know that they're
gonna we're gonna be able to

1060
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,950
make applications for the
iPhone, etc. Hopefully the

1061
00:59:22,950 --> 00:59:28,380
capability will be there. So I
would presume I could be wrong.

1062
00:59:28,380 --> 00:59:31,350
But let's say the new iPhone had
GPS capability, which pretty

1063
00:59:31,350 --> 00:59:34,740
much these days, if you want to
make a high end mobile phone, it

1064
00:59:34,740 --> 00:59:37,530
has to have GPS in there because
that's just that just seems to

1065
00:59:37,530 --> 00:59:42,360
be the trend. So if we actually
had a GPS receiver and of course

1066
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,960
it has multimedia capabilities
up popped an idea that I've had

1067
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:50,640
for five years at least maybe
longer ever since I've been

1068
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:57,900
using GPS. How cool would it be,
if you could geotag certain

1069
00:59:57,900 --> 01:00:01,500
areas in the world for instance.
And we were talking about

1070
01:00:01,500 --> 01:00:03,810
Amsterdam. And I said, and
actually a couple of people took

1071
01:00:03,810 --> 01:00:05,970
me up on the offer, they emailed
me and said, Hey, I'm going to

1072
01:00:05,970 --> 01:00:08,520
Amsterdam in the next couple of
weeks. Could you please give me

1073
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,860
a couple of cool places to go?
Could you just tell me whatever

1074
01:00:10,860 --> 01:00:13,050
you and John, were talking about
a minute, a little template

1075
01:00:13,050 --> 01:00:15,240
thing, and I've been sending
that off to people. Now,

1076
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:18,030
wouldn't it be cool, if I could
sit, you know, they could click

1077
01:00:18,030 --> 01:00:21,780
on a link or have some kind of
link would be easy. And you

1078
01:00:21,780 --> 01:00:26,850
download something. And while
you're walking around Amsterdam,

1079
01:00:27,090 --> 01:00:29,670
you're getting directions to
places. And when you're in the

1080
01:00:29,670 --> 01:00:33,750
spot, where, you know, for
instance, in front of the Anne

1081
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:38,250
Frank museum, you would then
hear from an mp3 you would hear,

1082
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,940
which could be a really low
local low res, and it could be

1083
01:00:42,090 --> 01:00:45,390
it could be streamed, you know,
immediately, I presume, you

1084
01:00:45,390 --> 01:00:47,070
could hear me saying, Well,
right now you're standing in

1085
01:00:47,070 --> 01:00:49,020
front of the Anne Frank House
that give you some background

1086
01:00:49,020 --> 01:00:51,690
that said, there's probably a
long frickin line there. So what

1087
01:00:51,690 --> 01:00:54,600
you want to do is just, you
know, turn 180 degrees, turn

1088
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,780
around and walk up to the roast
and cut off two of Ben cones and

1089
01:00:57,780 --> 01:01:00,750
have yourself some swarm up,
because and ask for it this way,

1090
01:01:00,750 --> 01:01:04,290
and tell him I sent you. And you
could really put together almost

1091
01:01:04,290 --> 01:01:07,770
like, which I loved as a kid,
those walking, guided tours of

1092
01:01:07,770 --> 01:01:10,830
the museum where you get the
headsets, and you'd walk, you

1093
01:01:10,830 --> 01:01:13,890
know, towards an exhibit, and
then you start to hear the

1094
01:01:13,890 --> 01:01:16,980
description of that exhibit, I
think you could really build

1095
01:01:16,980 --> 01:01:19,440
something like that. And it
could be a community thing where

1096
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,410
you couldn't contribute just
like Google Maps, which of

1097
01:01:22,410 --> 01:01:25,200
course, would come into play
somewhere, I'm sure in this

1098
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:29,550
whole infrastructure I'm
dreaming up where you know,

1099
01:01:29,580 --> 01:01:33,600
someone else wants to, to add to
the tour or add another point of

1100
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,180
interest as it's known. You
know, that could be a number of

1101
01:01:36,180 --> 01:01:40,410
things there. But the whole idea
of of a guided audio walking

1102
01:01:40,410 --> 01:01:44,250
tour and descriptions of places
anywhere, or you could just be

1103
01:01:44,250 --> 01:01:46,980
walking somewhere and all of a
sudden, you'd get a little beep,

1104
01:01:46,980 --> 01:01:49,740
beep, beep, beep. And then you'd
click the play button and be

1105
01:01:49,740 --> 01:01:53,820
like, Hi, this is, um, this is
Peter. And this is where Mary

1106
01:01:53,820 --> 01:01:55,800
and I had sex for the first
time. I mean, it could be all

1107
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:57,090
kinds of interesting things.

1108
01:01:59,100 --> 01:02:01,110
I think it's a nightmare. Why?

1109
01:02:01,530 --> 01:02:03,300
You don't think that would be
interesting or useful?

1110
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,580
Yeah, I think it would No, I
think effect I think the idea is

1111
01:02:05,580 --> 01:02:08,490
sheer genius. And I think it's
something that is needed. Except

1112
01:02:08,490 --> 01:02:12,360
I think it's like anything else
that if it got to, you know, I

1113
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,940
don't know, I'd rather have a
professional rather than the

1114
01:02:14,940 --> 01:02:17,220
guys who screwed his wife near
that corner. I don't really

1115
01:02:17,220 --> 01:02:19,290
care. But obviously, that's what
would be in there. That's the

1116
01:02:19,290 --> 01:02:21,210
problem that would be in there.
And that's what that's the

1117
01:02:21,210 --> 01:02:21,780
drawback.

1118
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,350
Yeah, but then don't make
obviously that's just an option.

1119
01:02:25,350 --> 01:02:28,170
That's a bolt on. I mean, you
could sell professional

1120
01:02:28,170 --> 01:02:31,770
packages. In fact, you could
take no agenda and you could

1121
01:02:31,770 --> 01:02:34,350
take every single bit where
we've talked about a restaurant

1122
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:38,580
talked about a place you are I
have been Jesus,

1123
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,970
the no agenda visit pack.
Nothing is there by the way,

1124
01:02:41,970 --> 01:02:44,490
there is a really cool
restaurant by the Anne Frank

1125
01:02:44,490 --> 01:02:48,360
House. That is just like now
that the I think it took one

1126
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,400
picture inside the place and
that would be a cool thing to

1127
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,040
have geotag because I don't even
remember the name of the place

1128
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:57,510
I'm looking. But it's like very
happy to really stylish you

1129
01:02:57,510 --> 01:03:00,750
know, lots of wood and fancy
architecture place. Is it the

1130
01:03:00,750 --> 01:03:05,490
fireflies? I don't know maybe it
was cool.

1131
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:10,080
Oh, no, wait a minute. That's
that's the restaurant in the in

1132
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:14,640
the church tower in the near the
church. There's a big tower

1133
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:15,690
right now it's

1134
01:03:15,690 --> 01:03:18,240
not in a tower. It's right on
the street. And it's gotta wait.

1135
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:22,200
It's got like weird, it's weird.
It's a weird, trendy, kind of

1136
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:26,610
overdesigned, architecturally
interesting, you know, place

1137
01:03:26,670 --> 01:03:29,280
with that too. And by the way,
the food was good. Then we had

1138
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:30,870
some people, you can see him
walking to go there. And

1139
01:03:30,870 --> 01:03:32,910
frankly, other people that were
in this group that you'd see

1140
01:03:32,940 --> 01:03:35,580
friends going down the streets
and you bring them in, and it

1141
01:03:35,580 --> 01:03:38,580
was a lot of it was like tapas
was what we were eating. They're

1142
01:03:38,580 --> 01:03:38,880
kind of

1143
01:03:39,810 --> 01:03:43,800
in the best of care, maybe the
baby church,

1144
01:03:44,490 --> 01:03:47,730
maybe so anyway, the point is,
is that if I had the system or

1145
01:03:47,730 --> 01:03:50,820
the one you're talking about, I
could you know, I would be able

1146
01:03:50,820 --> 01:03:52,860
to punch it up right now and
tell people to go check it out.

1147
01:03:53,340 --> 01:03:55,380
But ya know, let's make that a
company. Let's do it.

1148
01:03:56,100 --> 01:03:58,950
Let's make that a company. Hey,
I hear you're really good at

1149
01:03:58,950 --> 01:04:02,670
fundraising. Let's do that.
We'll just send you out with

1150
01:04:02,820 --> 01:04:05,820
with my idea, your fundraising
skills, John. Fantastic.

1151
01:04:07,140 --> 01:04:09,720
I think you should start with
the patent. That by

1152
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:13,530
the way, that by the way, it was
an inside joke. Yeah, what's a

1153
01:04:13,530 --> 01:04:16,080
better way to get another patent
I can get I can get a patent on

1154
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:18,660
that idea. So surely someone's
come up with this, that can't be

1155
01:04:18,660 --> 01:04:20,730
you not to where you could do
it, you can make it specific

1156
01:04:20,730 --> 01:04:23,250
enough that it would be very, by
the time

1157
01:04:23,250 --> 01:04:26,100
by the time we got the patent
done. It's like someone else

1158
01:04:26,100 --> 01:04:28,170
will have built the whole
system. I

1159
01:04:28,830 --> 01:04:31,050
built the patent. I mean, had to
pat down the side while you're

1160
01:04:31,050 --> 01:04:32,010
building the system, John,

1161
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,440
what I'd much rather do is I'd
rather talk about the awesome

1162
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:39,270
system and very much like, you
know, podcasting. I'd like to

1163
01:04:40,050 --> 01:04:42,930
energise and incentivize people
who can build that?

1164
01:04:43,350 --> 01:04:46,620
Well, I liked the idea, because
it would be cool, and it would

1165
01:04:46,620 --> 01:04:50,190
be cool, but you know, it's,
it's, it's non trivial. Let me

1166
01:04:50,190 --> 01:04:54,150
say that to have and so you
were, you know, I'm walking

1167
01:04:54,150 --> 01:04:55,890
around San Francisco and my
phone beeps at me with a

1168
01:04:55,890 --> 01:04:58,710
distinctive sound meaning I'm
walking past someplace I showed

1169
01:04:58,710 --> 01:05:02,280
some interest in or Let's then
I'm subscribing to like one

1170
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,490
person's feed, this one was B
could be a little bit like

1171
01:05:05,490 --> 01:05:05,940
Twitter.

1172
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:10,320
But think of a very good point.
Now think about it a GPS has

1173
01:05:10,410 --> 01:05:13,290
points of interest, and it has
points of interest by category.

1174
01:05:13,290 --> 01:05:17,580
So those systems already, you
know, kind of prebaked know, the

1175
01:05:17,580 --> 01:05:20,850
concepts. So you could have the
no agenda category. And that

1176
01:05:20,850 --> 01:05:23,520
would just be points of interest
or waypoints as they're

1177
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:27,570
sometimes known. That would be
ours, that, you know, the, it

1178
01:05:27,570 --> 01:05:31,170
really comes down to the someone
the the tools, I guess, to

1179
01:05:31,170 --> 01:05:41,130
assemble and create a route or
some kind of database stuff, you

1180
01:05:41,130 --> 01:05:43,380
know, and then of course, some
application that is, you know,

1181
01:05:43,380 --> 01:05:46,230
constantly seeing, you know, if
you're within proximity of one

1182
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:48,810
of these waypoints, all that
kind of exists, John, that's not

1183
01:05:48,810 --> 01:05:51,270
that's not all that big. I don't
think that's a big deal.

1184
01:05:52,530 --> 01:05:54,510
Yeah, okay. Well, I mean, it's
something that would be

1185
01:05:54,510 --> 01:05:56,820
interesting to get it. So it was
institutionalised to such an

1186
01:05:56,820 --> 01:06:01,230
extreme that more than two
people, more than two geeks with

1187
01:06:01,230 --> 01:06:05,550
an iPhone would subscribe to the
no agenda tour of Amsterdam.

1188
01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:08,070
Well, which is what the market
would be today.

1189
01:06:08,100 --> 01:06:11,220
This whole podcasting started
with really two geeks, Adam

1190
01:06:11,220 --> 01:06:15,030
curry and Dave Winer sending
movie files back and forth

1191
01:06:15,030 --> 01:06:19,230
through an RSS aggregator. It
took three, four years before

1192
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,860
even we had thought of coming up
with with doing shows that, you

1193
01:06:22,860 --> 01:06:27,600
know, putting NP threes in
regularly. So, you know, by

1194
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:29,670
2012, we might have some,

1195
01:06:30,420 --> 01:06:33,060
maybe, but it seems to me that
the GPS thing is not new, it's

1196
01:06:33,060 --> 01:06:36,060
already gone past the three year
point. And

1197
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:38,430
all these little bit, this is a
GPS thing. But you know, we're

1198
01:06:38,430 --> 01:06:40,710
combining it with a couple
things here. By the way, you

1199
01:06:40,710 --> 01:06:45,330
could you could also integrate
RSS and subscribe to different

1200
01:06:45,330 --> 01:06:49,050
waypoint services. Come on, man.
Yeah.

1201
01:06:51,420 --> 01:06:54,060
Yeah, no, I think there is some
there because I wouldn't mind.

1202
01:06:54,660 --> 01:06:58,050
You know, I when I go to some of
these places, for the first

1203
01:06:58,050 --> 01:07:03,540
time, you get, you know, you
don't get good information from

1204
01:07:03,540 --> 01:07:06,990
the hotels, you know, that you
don't you I mean, you just don't

1205
01:07:07,020 --> 01:07:09,270
you know, if you had somebody
that you knew was there all the

1206
01:07:09,270 --> 01:07:12,540
time, and they put together a
little tour, or salary, or just

1207
01:07:12,540 --> 01:07:15,120
a waypoint thing where you just
if you happen to be going by it,

1208
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:17,070
it beeps at you. And you can
say, Oh, that's interesting, I

1209
01:07:17,070 --> 01:07:19,860
should go check this out or, or
you know, restaurant tour or

1210
01:07:19,860 --> 01:07:20,400
whatever.

1211
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:25,920
You have the the weeds service.
So we know any city you're in,

1212
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,410
you know, it would automatically
start beeping when you're near

1213
01:07:28,410 --> 01:07:28,950
dealer.

1214
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:33,120
Well, that's something you'd be
interested in.

1215
01:07:33,150 --> 01:07:35,790
In fact, you could make it oh,
here comes you can make it even

1216
01:07:35,790 --> 01:07:39,900
better. You could have the other
side. Oh, this is cool. So let's

1217
01:07:39,900 --> 01:07:43,110
say this will be a great app for
the iPhone. So let's just take

1218
01:07:43,110 --> 01:07:45,690
that as an example. Just because
we mentioned not because I

1219
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:48,450
really want that service,
although so let's say if you're

1220
01:07:48,450 --> 01:07:52,200
a dealer, you could have the the
reverse of the service, and it

1221
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:57,030
would actually be broadcasting
your location. It within the

1222
01:07:57,030 --> 01:08:01,500
category dealer. And then you
could be on the lookout, you

1223
01:08:01,500 --> 01:08:04,140
could have your system set to
automatically detect one of

1224
01:08:04,140 --> 01:08:05,760
these people so you can find
each other.

1225
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,550
All right, well, let's go to
something more practical. Which

1226
01:08:11,550 --> 01:08:16,800
doesn't involve illegal activity
for yourself. So well, you must

1227
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:22,470
do the hookers then. So there be
snared as speed traps.

1228
01:08:22,649 --> 01:08:26,429
Oh, well speed traps that so
that system on gee, maybe this

1229
01:08:26,429 --> 01:08:28,979
is where I was where I got my
idea for it. Can we talk about

1230
01:08:28,979 --> 01:08:29,819
that last week?

1231
01:08:29,999 --> 01:08:32,579
Yeah, there's some speed drop
stuff. I don't know that we did.

1232
01:08:32,579 --> 01:08:34,679
But there's a bunch of speed
trap websites. And there's all

1233
01:08:34,679 --> 01:08:35,639
kinds of speed trap.

1234
01:08:36,869 --> 01:08:40,319
really inexpensive device like
you know, 30 pounds and you

1235
01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:42,719
stick it on your dashboard has
batteries plugged into the

1236
01:08:42,899 --> 01:08:44,549
cigarette lighter and unscrew
it,

1237
01:08:44,579 --> 01:08:47,939
put it on the cell phone have a
specific ringtone. When you're

1238
01:08:47,939 --> 01:08:51,149
entering a city this would be
very handy in the USA, you're

1239
01:08:51,269 --> 01:08:54,239
going into some little city
that's loaded with speed traps.

1240
01:08:54,569 --> 01:08:58,199
The GPS thing was send an alarm
to you saying slow down because

1241
01:08:58,199 --> 01:09:01,289
you're running into a speed
trap. Beep beep beep beep beep

1242
01:09:01,469 --> 01:09:04,349
and you'd slow down and you
drive through the speed trap and

1243
01:09:04,349 --> 01:09:06,899
then you'd get an all clear sign
maybe or not

1244
01:09:06,899 --> 01:09:09,839
so Exactly, exactly. The point
is that would work

1245
01:09:09,839 --> 01:09:11,669
I would subscribe to that
service tomorrow.

1246
01:09:11,669 --> 01:09:14,519
Okay, would you carry an iPhone
if it was available on the

1247
01:09:14,519 --> 01:09:16,949
iPhone? Because that's I think
that's where it's gonna pop up

1248
01:09:16,949 --> 01:09:17,549
first

1249
01:09:19,260 --> 01:09:22,740
you know I yeah, I guess I could
carry an iPhone. You know if I

1250
01:09:22,740 --> 01:09:26,100
had crap I don't like carrying
phones you know that people

1251
01:09:26,100 --> 01:09:28,530
don't understand I don't really
like being on the phone all day

1252
01:09:28,530 --> 01:09:31,200
and all night. I don't carry a
phone generally a baby

1253
01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:34,889
listen to me you don't need
that. I carry a separate phone

1254
01:09:34,919 --> 01:09:38,129
even with the iPhone. I want a
phone that just does a phone and

1255
01:09:38,129 --> 01:09:40,709
by the way I want one I could
drop in the toilet get run over

1256
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:42,509
by a truck and it'll still be a
phone

1257
01:09:43,799 --> 01:09:46,229
track phone for that by the way
but I know you do. They should

1258
01:09:46,229 --> 01:09:48,539
be sponsoring our show but I
should We should call them up.

1259
01:09:48,689 --> 01:09:51,089
Yeah, well, so should Cessna.
Let's call them up to

1260
01:09:52,259 --> 01:09:54,959
Cessna should be spot well. I
don't know how many people out

1261
01:09:54,959 --> 01:09:56,459
there with by assessment that we
probably

1262
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,280
are you kidding me? I guarantee
you there's lots of people in

1263
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:02,430
aviation who will Listen to me.
And I bet you I bet you there,

1264
01:10:02,490 --> 01:10:03,810
there are future pilots

1265
01:10:03,809 --> 01:10:08,579
who will buy assess Trac phones
should both paying for this.

1266
01:10:10,289 --> 01:10:14,249
Bam, all of a sudden a missed
opportunity. Yeah, that'll be

1267
01:10:14,249 --> 01:10:17,789
the day There you go. When that
wouldn't be funny, if we were

1268
01:10:17,789 --> 01:10:18,839
sponsored by Apple,

1269
01:10:20,399 --> 01:10:23,669
it would be funny. I mean, you
don't need to be sponsored. What

1270
01:10:23,669 --> 01:10:25,439
I would suggest, and I think
we're going to have to find some

1271
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:29,639
way of doing this is just doing
these product placement

1272
01:10:29,759 --> 01:10:33,299
discussions, as they sounds like
that's what we're doing anyway,

1273
01:10:33,329 --> 01:10:33,539
as

1274
01:10:33,539 --> 01:10:38,699
they all are. We do it
differently. We, you know, as

1275
01:10:38,699 --> 01:10:41,849
our audience grows, which, you
know, it really is going quite

1276
01:10:41,879 --> 01:10:45,599
swiftly. Just you know, what are
we now this is the 31st episode.

1277
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:48,179
So certain point, we'll just
we'll just have a large

1278
01:10:48,179 --> 01:10:50,159
audience. When we talk about
some product, we'll just send

1279
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:51,509
them a bill and just see what

1280
01:10:55,020 --> 01:11:02,730
here's your bill, like $45,000
Jerks. A bill? It's full Apple,

1281
01:11:02,730 --> 01:11:08,160
they're already in the hole. Big
time. Not nothing I had to do

1282
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:09,600
with it. I'll tell you that
right now, wait

1283
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,570
a minute. But when we what we
should make it fair. And if we

1284
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:15,510
if we really slam a product, we
should send them a check.

1285
01:11:16,980 --> 01:11:19,590
Absolutely. So you know that now
so then we have a little fun

1286
01:11:19,590 --> 01:11:23,340
going right? And then then, or
some equivalent of a check or

1287
01:11:23,340 --> 01:11:25,440
something to make, right?
Whatever we think is wrong. I

1288
01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:26,400
don't know, something like that.

1289
01:11:27,210 --> 01:11:30,000
Wow, you know, I don't think we
get to make right what we think

1290
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:31,620
is wrong if the product sucks,

1291
01:11:32,069 --> 01:11:36,059
true. But maybe sending them a
check will be funny. So until

1292
01:11:36,089 --> 01:11:40,889
you go. So you join, you join
our advertising club. And if

1293
01:11:40,889 --> 01:11:43,109
you're lucky, we talk about your
product, we send you a check if

1294
01:11:43,109 --> 01:11:46,379
you're unlucky, we talk about
your product. And then it can be

1295
01:11:46,409 --> 01:11:50,309
1000s of companies we most will
never talk about. But if we slam

1296
01:11:50,309 --> 01:11:51,689
your product or send you a
check,

1297
01:11:52,139 --> 01:11:55,379
I like it. I like the
advertising club aspect. Nice,

1298
01:11:55,379 --> 01:11:57,419
isn't it? Yeah. It's kind of
like yeah, you have the

1299
01:11:57,419 --> 01:11:59,789
advertising club, you guys we
get we'll list it for the

1300
01:11:59,789 --> 01:12:02,009
listeners. Here's the people
that we're going to maybe or

1301
01:12:02,009 --> 01:12:05,909
maybe not talk about in a pro or
con way. And of course, you

1302
01:12:05,909 --> 01:12:09,389
know, there'll be some jerks out
there that will track it. I seen

1303
01:12:09,389 --> 01:12:12,479
it that they talked about Apple
three times and they didn't say

1304
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:17,489
anything bad about and you know,
that kind of thing. There's

1305
01:12:17,489 --> 01:12:21,839
credibility, but we I think we
can do it. Yeah. Yeah, I think

1306
01:12:21,839 --> 01:12:24,749
we can much credibility do we
need that's what I say?

1307
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:31,019
Far Must we go? Oh, man. All
right. You got anything else?

1308
01:12:31,019 --> 01:12:31,379
John?

1309
01:12:33,119 --> 01:12:35,459
Got plenty. But you know, I
think we're running out of time.

1310
01:12:35,939 --> 01:12:38,099
Actually time one of these days.
Well, 70

1311
01:12:38,939 --> 01:12:41,459
I sent you the thing about you
know, the Bordeaux in a box

1312
01:12:41,459 --> 01:12:45,419
somebody sent me Twitter's as
your wine guy. What do you think

1313
01:12:45,419 --> 01:12:46,649
about Bordeaux box?

1314
01:12:46,649 --> 01:12:49,019
So actually, there was something
that caught my eye in that

1315
01:12:49,019 --> 01:12:54,779
article. And of course, like an
idiot. I closed it. Crap. Do you

1316
01:12:54,779 --> 01:12:56,279
have it open? Do that article
open?

1317
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:00,600
The Bordeaux in the box article?
Yeah. Let me see. I got it. It's

1318
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,630
actually on the Twitter feed.
Let me just by the way, anyone

1319
01:13:03,630 --> 01:13:08,550
who wants to so called the
Devorah gate,

1320
01:13:08,789 --> 01:13:13,469
hold on, hold on a second. John.
Downloading the the wine in a

1321
01:13:13,469 --> 01:13:19,199
Box page. Just cut the Skype off
for a second there. Hold on. Are

1322
01:13:19,199 --> 01:13:19,619
you there?

1323
01:13:20,579 --> 01:13:25,289
Yeah. Okay. It you got to get a
better link I've got I've got 16

1324
01:13:25,289 --> 01:13:27,419
megabits coming down on my
stream

1325
01:13:27,420 --> 01:13:31,320
dude. I'm about to move to to
London just to get a better link

1326
01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:35,520
that with all three of us are so
fed up with the level of service

1327
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:38,460
we can get. And that's just
because of the proximity of our

1328
01:13:38,460 --> 01:13:43,050
house to the exchange. I've had
a cable modem and cable on order

1329
01:13:43,050 --> 01:13:46,980
from Virgin Media for about
three months. I mean, they they

1330
01:13:46,980 --> 01:13:50,190
acquired a company called NTL,
also known in the United Kingdom

1331
01:13:50,190 --> 01:13:55,320
as NT hell, and they have not
yet implemented the Virgin brand

1332
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:59,970
of customer service as far as
I'm concerned. So we're gonna

1333
01:13:59,970 --> 01:14:02,250
just gonna, we're gonna move to
get a better connection

1334
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:05,790
blanches called Branson Oh, I
chose friend.

1335
01:14:05,909 --> 01:14:09,989
He he what's he gonna go? He's
gonna dig up. He's gonna build a

1336
01:14:09,989 --> 01:14:13,529
new exchange closer to my house.
Just because he's my friend.

1337
01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:17,489
Okay, he's Bordeaux in cartons
the last straw for French wine.

1338
01:14:17,489 --> 01:14:18,179
That was it.

1339
01:14:19,380 --> 01:14:22,380
By the way, somebody else was
sent a topic idea in per my

1340
01:14:22,380 --> 01:14:27,900
stories. Blog it boy, man killed
on tracks while listening to an

1341
01:14:27,900 --> 01:14:29,580
iPod. Wait a

1342
01:14:29,580 --> 01:14:33,870
minute, I want to say something
about the wine and a carton. The

1343
01:14:33,870 --> 01:14:39,240
wine in the carton is one thing.
But it comes with a sensory

1344
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:44,640
straw with four holes which are
in the straw to send a spray of

1345
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:48,660
wine around the palate, and
ensure you enjoy exactly the

1346
01:14:48,660 --> 01:14:53,190
same sensations as with a
wineglass. That is technology.

1347
01:14:53,190 --> 01:14:58,470
My friend. That is technology. I
got to try that when I get to

1348
01:14:58,470 --> 01:15:01,260
San Francisco which I'm sure
will be in next week or two,

1349
01:15:01,290 --> 01:15:05,940
maybe three weeks. Let's let's
have a carton of wine together

1350
01:15:05,940 --> 01:15:08,580
with a sensory straw. I'll share
a straw Why

1351
01:15:08,580 --> 01:15:11,910
don't you Why don't you find see
if you can find that you check

1352
01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:17,310
luggage ever luggage? Yeah when
you come over carry on.

1353
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:21,600
Of course I check luggage I
carry you know I never I never

1354
01:15:21,690 --> 01:15:24,450
you've never seen the same the
same to clothes twice.

1355
01:15:25,319 --> 01:15:28,019
That's true you know this guy
for anyone out there listening.

1356
01:15:28,169 --> 01:15:30,329
This guy has never been asked
why he didn't want me talking

1357
01:15:30,329 --> 01:15:33,179
about these shirts I was having
tailor made because I wear

1358
01:15:33,179 --> 01:15:37,139
shirts more than once. I have
you know I get them cleaned and

1359
01:15:37,139 --> 01:15:39,779
washed them I put you see you're
wrong. You're wrong where

1360
01:15:39,779 --> 01:15:42,389
everything once no throw it out.
You know?

1361
01:15:42,420 --> 01:15:44,640
I do first of all, I do not
throw it out. Second of all,

1362
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,520
you're wrong. What I actually do
is I'm much better at

1363
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,610
coordinating I know exactly what
outfits you've seen me in and I

1364
01:15:50,610 --> 01:15:52,980
make sure I wear something
different to to keep you

1365
01:15:52,980 --> 01:15:53,790
entertained.

1366
01:15:54,930 --> 01:15:59,250
And that's not true. You know it
it is so Okay, okay. Yeah, I

1367
01:15:59,250 --> 01:16:02,040
wonder what do I did the vortex
see this, but I'm gonna try a

1368
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:02,640
different shirt.

1369
01:16:02,670 --> 01:16:06,180
When I got when I go on as an
example, when we go out to

1370
01:16:06,180 --> 01:16:10,290
dinner. Yes, I absolutely. No
matter who you are. John C.

1371
01:16:10,290 --> 01:16:11,130
Dvorak

1372
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:17,610
will speak for yourself. But
when I go on, on cranky geeks, I

1373
01:16:17,610 --> 01:16:20,490
know I would never wear the same
thing twice. Dude, I'm in show

1374
01:16:20,490 --> 01:16:22,560
business. This is what I did a
woman.

1375
01:16:22,710 --> 01:16:27,870
Okay. Okay. Let's get back here.
When you guys went off topic, I

1376
01:16:27,870 --> 01:16:34,020
mean, let me just say what I was
gonna say. Get above one of the

1377
01:16:34,050 --> 01:16:37,590
we get two of the whites to the
white wines and two of the red,

1378
01:16:37,590 --> 01:16:40,950
skip the one in the middle. And
bring so bring four of these

1379
01:16:40,950 --> 01:16:45,090
little boxes of wine in checked
luggage because you can't

1380
01:16:45,090 --> 01:16:47,340
obviously get it through any
other way. And then we'll check

1381
01:16:47,340 --> 01:16:48,330
it out at a restaurant.

1382
01:16:49,409 --> 01:16:51,509
Or we're going to drink this
wine in a restaurant.

1383
01:16:51,870 --> 01:16:54,000
Yeah, we'll go to free golf
because they always like game

1384
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:55,290
for crazy things like that.

1385
01:16:57,569 --> 01:17:01,349
Okay, where can I get it? Hold
on. It's called that was it.

1386
01:17:01,619 --> 01:17:05,399
Tandem is what it's called. No,
and it's here it is the homeless

1387
01:17:05,399 --> 01:17:12,779
inhabitants. Tan ahead is
produced by core da Mensa raw

1388
01:17:12,809 --> 01:17:18,299
mixers out. Mess mistress.mr
Lazar is that French and German

1389
01:17:18,750 --> 01:17:22,530
giant corporation think they're
yours. Oh

1390
01:17:22,529 --> 01:17:27,899
no. Which has been selling fine
wine since Oh, are there you go.

1391
01:17:28,739 --> 01:17:31,619
So this thing from Nigeria which
has been selling fine wine,

1392
01:17:31,889 --> 01:17:37,529
Nigeria, Algeria Algeria since
1886. Now they maybe they're

1393
01:17:37,529 --> 01:17:40,679
French? I don't know. The 25
cents a litre product called

1394
01:17:40,679 --> 01:17:43,439
tandem will arrive in Britain
next week at the London

1395
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:48,179
International Wine fair. John C.
Dvorak. I'm thinking roadtrip.

1396
01:17:51,509 --> 01:17:54,899
London International Wine fair
go figure.

1397
01:17:55,800 --> 01:18:01,140
I'd probably be good for last
photo up. Anyway, so they gotta

1398
01:18:01,140 --> 01:18:04,950
read a why in a Rosae. When you
skip the Rosae we know that's

1399
01:18:04,950 --> 01:18:06,990
going to be crap. And

1400
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:13,080
the two I want to maybe the do
you think they sell the straws

1401
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:17,970
separately? That would be cool.
Here London International Wine

1402
01:18:17,970 --> 01:18:21,390
fair. Well, excuse me.

1403
01:18:22,140 --> 01:18:24,660
See the bad news. In his
articles. The following the

1404
01:18:24,660 --> 01:18:27,810
annual wine consumption of
France has fallen from 100

1405
01:18:27,810 --> 01:18:32,550
litres per person to 54 litres
per person during the last 40

1406
01:18:32,550 --> 01:18:34,860
Nobody's even drinking in France
anymore. No wonder the country's

1407
01:18:34,860 --> 01:18:37,230
in trouble. Why is that? Do you
think that's interesting? It's

1408
01:18:37,230 --> 01:18:41,880
because of the Muslim influence.
Really plan just guessing. I

1409
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:44,310
mean, what else could add that
into teetotallers which are all

1410
01:18:44,310 --> 01:18:46,500
over the place? I don't know.

1411
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:51,030
For the visitors, the fair can
be hugely beneficial. The

1412
01:18:51,030 --> 01:18:54,750
opportunity to meet with over
1200 exhibitors from every major

1413
01:18:54,750 --> 01:18:57,630
producing country all in one
place and to taste the new

1414
01:18:57,630 --> 01:19:00,900
vintage in a relaxed yet
professional environment saves

1415
01:19:00,900 --> 01:19:02,280
time and money.

1416
01:19:02,789 --> 01:19:05,759
Yeah, that's what Vinexpo is all
about. This is a bigger event

1417
01:19:06,119 --> 01:19:08,579
than it is for the lazy guys. It
can't get out of England and

1418
01:19:08,579 --> 01:19:11,549
take a trip to the continent.
But anyway, back to this this

1419
01:19:11,549 --> 01:19:14,099
product. The guy think was
asking me what do I think you

1420
01:19:14,099 --> 01:19:16,979
know, so I don't think these are
ever bad idea. And it's nothing

1421
01:19:16,979 --> 01:19:19,889
new. I mean, Beaujolais used to
be in a cabin in the 70s is not

1422
01:19:19,889 --> 01:19:23,459
that big of a deal. You can
still buy wine and bladders. All

1423
01:19:23,459 --> 01:19:25,679
throughout France, you bring
your own bladder, it's a big old

1424
01:19:25,769 --> 01:19:28,439
plastic thing and you fill it up
right from the barrel. And

1425
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:31,199
there's still wine in a box that
comes out of Bordeaux from

1426
01:19:31,199 --> 01:19:35,159
various little chateaus. And so
this is just taking it to a kind

1427
01:19:35,159 --> 01:19:39,089
of a junk wine level. I'm sure
this wine is not that good. But

1428
01:19:39,089 --> 01:19:41,489
for just something if you want
to just have some wine to help

1429
01:19:41,489 --> 01:19:44,429
digest your horrible lunch if
you happen to be working in some

1430
01:19:44,429 --> 01:19:48,059
place in San Francisco incident
at startup where there's no good

1431
01:19:48,059 --> 01:19:51,149
restaurants just might be not a
bad solution. I think you know,

1432
01:19:51,149 --> 01:19:53,609
a couple of these couple
communities, things would be

1433
01:19:53,609 --> 01:19:54,089
good for you.

1434
01:19:54,359 --> 01:19:58,349
I think that this will be
potentially a hit with Patricia

1435
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:06,480
maybe in my beaches that's maybe
the maybe the Dutch in general

1436
01:20:06,480 --> 01:20:07,560
would go for this stuff

1437
01:20:09,119 --> 01:20:14,669
suck it and see is the the
Guardian headlines about it and

1438
01:20:14,669 --> 01:20:18,659
see what's a good headline

1439
01:20:19,229 --> 01:20:22,289
one person complain that the
problem with this you know some

1440
01:20:22,289 --> 01:20:26,909
some snoot and I you know and I
as a wine connoisseur collector

1441
01:20:26,909 --> 01:20:32,129
I not as bad as I sound, but I
can see some snoot saying well

1442
01:20:32,129 --> 01:20:34,919
you know you can't smell it in
the glass and blah blah blah

1443
01:20:34,919 --> 01:20:36,929
blah blah you know this is why
is it probably shouldn't even

1444
01:20:36,929 --> 01:20:39,479
the red wine in this case you'd
probably be in the refrigerator

1445
01:20:39,539 --> 01:20:43,679
anyway. And it's not a wine you
know so wine as it is wine is a

1446
01:20:43,679 --> 01:20:47,369
beverage is not wine as it is a
as a target of affection and

1447
01:20:47,369 --> 01:20:50,729
intellectualism. You know, we're
all though knows it's got the

1448
01:20:50,759 --> 01:20:52,529
orange blossom so now here's

1449
01:20:54,090 --> 01:20:56,940
another data point for you. So
this Guardian article that's

1450
01:20:56,940 --> 01:21:03,720
titled Sukkot and see is from
September 13 2007. And indeed,

1451
01:21:03,780 --> 01:21:08,250
it's talking about the straw.
Really, they didn't even have

1452
01:21:08,250 --> 01:21:11,280
the carton then so the carton it
seems was an afterthought.

1453
01:21:12,210 --> 01:21:14,670
Drinking from the special straws
is said to recreate the

1454
01:21:14,670 --> 01:21:19,080
sensation of tasting wine from a
glass quote, bringing small wine

1455
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,990
containers with straws to a
party is more amusing than

1456
01:21:21,990 --> 01:21:26,910
arriving with a bottle Hmm How
about that? I

1457
01:21:26,910 --> 01:21:28,890
gotta get a hold of some of
these straws. I'm

1458
01:21:28,889 --> 01:21:31,139
telling you man that's what
caught my eye I'm like that is

1459
01:21:31,139 --> 01:21:32,789
some awesome technology.

1460
01:21:33,810 --> 01:21:40,020
So hole is patentable? Let's put
it in a hole in his wind is

1461
01:21:40,020 --> 01:21:40,770
straw.

1462
01:21:41,100 --> 01:21:44,790
I know a guy patented that shit.
And he's got

1463
01:21:46,739 --> 01:21:49,199
now I gotta look up sensory
straw

1464
01:21:50,189 --> 01:21:54,569
shit. I should have been
googling that sensory string

1465
01:21:54,569 --> 01:21:59,849
on it Tetra pack was launched
sensory straw. Sensory straw

1466
01:21:59,849 --> 01:22:05,429
makes drinking fun. Tetra pack
carton Ambien sensory straw to

1467
01:22:05,429 --> 01:22:09,779
be launched in Australia.
Sensory straw tackles different

1468
01:22:09,779 --> 01:22:16,289
taste buds, bullshit. Tools for
innovation making milk Milk

1469
01:22:16,289 --> 01:22:19,679
interactive. They're gonna use
it with milk for kids. When kids

1470
01:22:19,679 --> 01:22:22,319
take a sip the liquid flows in
all four directions at the same

1471
01:22:22,319 --> 01:22:25,319
time tickling the kids when he
gets this.

1472
01:22:25,500 --> 01:22:29,010
Hey, dude. So I was just looking
for sensory straw a patent.

1473
01:22:29,580 --> 01:22:33,060
Right. And here's what I ran
across. It's a different patent.

1474
01:22:33,480 --> 01:22:38,310
US Patent 6129265 beverage
container with entertainment

1475
01:22:38,310 --> 01:22:42,360
features. That trips me

1476
01:22:43,890 --> 01:22:48,690
this is interesting. Yeah, it's
funny. It is funny. Now, there's

1477
01:22:48,690 --> 01:22:52,620
a in the dare on the dairy
foods.com There's a picture is

1478
01:22:52,620 --> 01:22:55,710
fairly good. Close up, it's
close enough that you can see

1479
01:22:55,710 --> 01:22:59,370
the straw. It's got a knob on
the end. And I guess it's kind

1480
01:22:59,370 --> 01:23:01,830
of like the only to just shake
funny. It's kind of like the

1481
01:23:01,830 --> 01:23:04,620
thing you get on a Pavoni
cappuccino machine the milk

1482
01:23:04,620 --> 01:23:07,680
steamer that has the holes going
every which way. And that's what

1483
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:10,860
it looks like it's modelled
after. And so when you suck on

1484
01:23:10,860 --> 01:23:14,130
this thing, and they sell the
straws with flavours in them

1485
01:23:14,130 --> 01:23:14,610
too.

1486
01:23:17,220 --> 01:23:19,140
Oh, you're not gonna believe
this. I'm gonna say this is a

1487
01:23:19,170 --> 01:23:22,770
this is a link to the year the
TETRA pack website.

1488
01:23:23,850 --> 01:23:26,760
I am at Nam the dairy foods.com.
website. Look

1489
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:30,240
at look at that link. I'm
Skyping you right now. So this

1490
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:37,260
is the history of of this
company. Check this out. In

1491
01:23:37,260 --> 01:23:42,210
1890, Clemens von Bechtolsheim
develops and patent takes out a

1492
01:23:42,210 --> 01:23:45,180
patent for the first models of
the so called Alpha plates,

1493
01:23:45,480 --> 01:23:50,370
which are at the very heart of a
separator. Wait a minute. Is

1494
01:23:50,370 --> 01:23:53,040
that is that the straw? Is that
the straw technology now I'm

1495
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:53,730
confused?

1496
01:23:54,419 --> 01:23:57,449
No, this is DT we're talking
about the de Laval family. These

1497
01:23:57,449 --> 01:24:00,689
are guys who made centrifuges.
So we're talking to separate our

1498
01:24:00,689 --> 01:24:03,539
machine able to continue this is
this is this is called a canoe.

1499
01:24:04,349 --> 01:24:07,109
This is one of those continuous
centrifuges that in other words,

1500
01:24:07,109 --> 01:24:12,449
you don't keep it in a single in
a single container. And you can

1501
01:24:12,449 --> 01:24:17,429
centrifuge stuff out in a
process. So never stops. This is

1502
01:24:17,429 --> 01:24:20,309
used in the wine business and
other

1503
01:24:21,060 --> 01:24:25,260
people to look at 2003 the
sensory straw concept was launch

1504
01:24:26,010 --> 01:24:30,270
a new golf or whatever. Okay, so
they alone. They've been sitting

1505
01:24:30,300 --> 01:24:32,580
on man, can you believe it?
They've been sitting on this

1506
01:24:32,580 --> 01:24:35,940
shit and depriving it from us
for five years. I have not had

1507
01:24:35,940 --> 01:24:37,530
the pleasure of a sensory straw.

1508
01:24:37,919 --> 01:24:41,339
It's a gimmick. Anyway, let's
get some of those straws. But

1509
01:24:41,339 --> 01:24:43,439
let's get some of those who want
to check it out and

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report back. Yes, definitely.
Definitely. I think it's I think

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01:24:49,260 --> 01:24:49,830
it's important.

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01:24:49,859 --> 01:24:52,769
I love that picture of the kid
at the top of this page right on

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01:24:55,020 --> 01:24:56,610
top of which page of the

1514
01:24:56,610 --> 01:24:59,370
History page that you were
looking at. Okay, I go back to

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01:24:59,460 --> 01:25:00,480
the TETRA Back,

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01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:04,500
sipping a fucking a big mug of
why

1517
01:25:06,029 --> 01:25:09,509
fuck a wine. This kid looks so
happy.

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01:25:10,889 --> 01:25:14,159
You know why? Because? Well
actually the kids not even using

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01:25:14,159 --> 01:25:18,509
the sensory straw. Hmm. Well,
then there's something there.

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01:25:19,499 --> 01:25:22,619
Let's quit while we're still
ahead, John. Yep. That's a good

1521
01:25:22,619 --> 01:25:25,679
idea. All right. Hey, can I just
say this was a fun show? I

1522
01:25:25,679 --> 01:25:28,649
enjoyed it. We learned
something. Yes, we did. We

1523
01:25:28,649 --> 01:25:31,229
started a couple businesses, we
learned something and we have

1524
01:25:31,229 --> 01:25:34,829
homework, which means we have to
get some of the tandem wines in

1525
01:25:34,829 --> 01:25:40,619
a carton with the sensory straw
mechanism, great technology. You

1526
01:25:40,619 --> 01:25:49,859
know, the astronauts use that
space shuttle. Okay. All right.

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01:25:51,359 --> 01:25:54,629
That's it coming to you from the
curry man or in the United

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01:25:54,629 --> 01:25:55,979
Kingdom. I'm Adam curry,

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01:25:56,699 --> 01:25:59,009
and I'm from Northern
California. I'm John C. Dvorak

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01:25:59,039 --> 01:25:59,579
and we'll talk to

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01:25:59,580 --> 01:26:01,830
you again next week right here
on no agenda.