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Ladies, Gentlemen time once
again for the programme that

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comes to you from different ends
of the universe. And I'm not

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just talking geographically, it
is your weekly no agenda coming

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to you from the United Kingdom
in the curry manner. I'm Adam

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curry,

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and I'm here in Northern
California. I'm John C. Dvorak.

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And we have a beautiful weekend
here, John. It's about time we

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had some good weather. I hope
it's shitty where you are.

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No, as a matter of fact, it's
quite nice. It's probably going

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to be around 72 today and maybe
75.

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Okay, hey, we have a new mayor
in London. Did you know that?

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You got rid of that communist
guy? Yeah.

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And I read can. He's gone. We
got Boris Johnson is our new

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mayor.

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Boris Johnson. It sounds like
he's a Norwegian. Have you

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ever seen this guy? Do you know
anything about him? No, no,

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nothing. He well, he. I didn't
really know him as a politician.

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First. I saw him as he was a
host of several television

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shows. Kind of like you know,
stuff. Like what does it have? I

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got news for you. I think he
certainly Will that ever

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rotating host I've seen him on a
number of times. He is a

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spectacularly completely British
funny guy. I have no idea if he

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can run the city of London. Or
London I should say. But he's

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he's a joker, dude. I mean, this
guy is funny. Capital F now. i

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It's funny. I really don't know
anything about him again. Boris

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Johnson. He's a conservative,

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as in Boris.

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B as in boys. And Natasha. Yeah,
Boris Johnson. He's with the

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Conservative Party. And of
course, this is the big deal

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because Gordon Brown is labour
and you know, they lost I think

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400 council seats around the
country which is just you know,

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it's that's devastating. Of
course, projecting onto the the

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job that Gordon Brown is doing
the current prime minister, and

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he's the we're the Labour Party.
So this is a huge deal now that

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he no longer has a direct to
party connection to London. This

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is big. I just don't know if
this guy I love the guy. I think

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he's funny, but I have no idea
if he can she can run London.

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What did they just vote on any?
What do they put just people

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just randomly? I mean, how do
they how does these guys run him

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in these elections would be
besides red kin and Boris now it

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sounds to me it was like a
college election where you know,

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there was some guy puts himself
up, you know?

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Not quite like that. And he
always wins. So yeah, it is a

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party driven systems. We have
labour we have conservative, we

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have the Lib Dems the Liberal
Democrats. What is interesting,

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though, and I haven't quite you
know, this only happened

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yesterday or two days ago,
basically. Is that when you vote

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you have to vote for the your
favourite candidate and then

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your second favourite, I'm not
quite sure why. But you have to

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cast your favourite and second
favourite. Really? Yeah. I think

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it's like some tie breaker deal
or something that they put down.

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It's like, Alright, the second
guy will let him we'll let him

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go. So but I was just cruising
around the net.

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Last year, like it is more like
a survey. You know? Here's your

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five candidates. In order

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to win valuable points, get
points, get points for valuable

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prizes. Cross off a couple of
boxes. But I'd asked on the

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daily source code for people to
explain it to me or tell me

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what's going on or what's up
with Boris Johnson. I got

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literally no response is no one
responded at all. And I what I

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did see surfing around the net.
I see a lot of people are really

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pissed off that he's that he's
become mayor and I see people

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twittering stuff. Like I'm so
disappointed in this city. And

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so I think a lot of people
really don't like him.

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Well, it's gotta be better than
this other guy. He was a real

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clown. Yeah, well, the

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thing. The thing that really
made me laugh recently about

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Boris is it relates to that
Jerry Springer show, we're

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talking about the whole truth
and nothing but the truth. But

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someone asked him the question,
he said, Have you ever slept

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with a man Mr. Johnson? And his
answer was, well, not yet. So

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that kind of guy that's funny,
man. So

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that is funny to say, especially
if you do it in this kind of

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naive

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that kind of well, not yet.
Anyway, and he's always jogging.

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You know, these politicians do
right they get up in the morning

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crack of dawn a little jog
around the block and the

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reporters follow them except he
wears like he has the end he has

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a quite a distinct huge mop of
blond white hair, but he'll wear

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like a skull and crossbones
scarf on his head and he's nuts

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man, he's it's just like a
typical what I love about

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British nuts.

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I'm looking at the telegraph and
it says senior conservative

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sources said that they would be
gobsmacked if Mr. Johnson did

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not win the mayoral contest.
What is gobsmacked? Got? Well,

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you obviously understand the
what do they mean with it is

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just completely flabbergasted.

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Yeah, but God has your means
face right?

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I think God is. Is it? Yeah,
maybe it is. Are you looking at?

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Are you looking at it? I don't
know. We remember we had God. up

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stoppers.

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Right ghost Yeah,

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Andy, I think gobsmacked why
worldwide words? Okay, what can

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you tell me about the British
term gobsmacked? It's a fairly

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recent British slang term the
first record use only in the

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80s. Really though verbal use
must surely go back further than

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usual sincerly of the usual form
is gobsmacked combination of

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God, which is mouth and smack
means utterly astonished or

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astounded.

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Mango. I guess it'd be the same
as jaw dropping.

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Yeah, right. Right, right. Well,
it sounds more British.

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Well, you know, the Brits over
the years, especially recently

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have done a lot more for the
English language in terms of

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being inventive. The other forms
of the English language, the

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American form, and all the rest
of them are pretty conservative

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by comparison. I mean, we're
almost like, like the French

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compared to the British are
making stuff up constantly.

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I don't know. We have a lot of
technical terms, I think that we

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made up in the US.

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Yeah, but then suddenly did
well. Yeah. But that's, that's

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an interesting point. Yeah,
you're right. Not you mentioned

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it, but it's not like but it's
this out of necessity. I mean,

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you've invented something and
you gotta call it something.

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It's not like you're casually
lightening up the language with

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ADD with newer adjectives and
screwball, you know,

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grocery to Google. That's pretty
lively. We made up a word there.

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Yeah. All right. All right. I'm
sorry. I brought it

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I'm writing it down. I got
another Yes. You're right from

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John. No, I've got three so
before so anyway, I just got

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back from from Holland.

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Oh, yeah. How'd that go? Your
wife got a contract extension?

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Or what happened?

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Well, no, did not yet. This is
the first the NADA they do for I

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think four or five live shows
until the winner of Holland's

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Got Talent is announced. Now who
won? Well, so this was a, like a

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pre qualifying round. So they've
already pared it down from 200

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people to 30 people. And so now
they do throw this right. They

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do 10 For the next three weeks,
including last Friday night. And

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then the fourth week is when
they do the final. That's the

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real finals that says it
broadcast live the one well,

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this one was broadcast live to
last night or Friday night. It

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was three to

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four then at their broadcast
live. That doesn't make any

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sense. What do you mean, you
have to shoot for an issue for?

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Oh, I didn't say that? No, no,
they they're going to do for

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live shows. They did one last
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on next Friday night, the Friday
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38th of May, I think will be the
final Friday night. And that's

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when they have the final final
contestants.

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So you fly in there on your
private plane.

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Unfortunately, I think I told
you this. My wife refuses to fly

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with me over the channel. Unless
I have a safety pilot and I

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couldn't get anyone who could
stay overnight and stay with us.

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So and actually we took KLM what
it was it was such an

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infuriating experience once
again it partially KLM but

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Heathrow airport I usually fly
out of Gatwick unless I'm going

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with Virgin but Virgin has like
their own entrance and you don't

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even see anything of Heathrow.
They so BAA which is owned by a

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Spanish conglomerate is running
Heathrow and of course these

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guys responsible for terminal
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Stopstopstop

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I thought ba was stands for
British Airways or something

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like

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British afba is British airport
authority. And it's run by the

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Spanish so a Spanish
conglomerate runs BAA which

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includes the two major airports
Gatwick and Heathrow so there's

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no competition.

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Wait Stop, stop stop. I thought
the British were known for their

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management skills at the levels
like now How come the British

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don't run their own airports?

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Because they were this is part
of the nationalisation you know

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they they were fucking greedy.
They wanted to make money

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so they sold to the Spanish

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Yeah, exactly what you made that
point A while ago you said this

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is what nationalisation always
leads to then some other frickin

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government winds up running your
shit. It's unbelievable. It is

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and and so it's it's you know
Heathrow terminal five is messed

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up. Gatwick has been under
construction for 40 years.

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Although I think it is a pretty
pretty well functioning airport

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but now they have this awesome

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you know I flown in the Gatwick
once it's in the middle of

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nowhere you have to drive right
through the city streets to get

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back to where you're going.

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You must you must be talking
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because that's not true. Gatwick
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you mean below it and on the low
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map yeah below it. So that must
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something where you landed
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to get from Gatwick into the
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now Can I mistaken? Yeah.
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it makes me so angry. So only
the only airport I fly in and

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out of and I fly out of a lot of
different airports at at London

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Heathrow they have a a welded
rack and your carry on bag has

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to fit into this rack. Otherwise
you can't take it with you on

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board. Yeah. Okay. It is the
size of a cigar box. And it's

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this so I know this because well
first of all, whenever I go to

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Heathrow, it's through virgin
and so you don't actually go

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through the BA part of the
airport, you know, Virgin owns

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that part. And so it's their
decision to say okay, whatever

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size you want, you can take on
and you know my bag, right, the

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famous Adam Curry's office bag
that I slept everywhere with me.

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Yeah, and it's a funny shaped
thing

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was oblong. It's rectangular,
but it's you know, it's perfect

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fits in every single aircraft
overhead bin that I fly on.

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Okay, and I know it does, it
fits into this thing except for

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the wheels, the wheels won't
actually go into this welded

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frame that everything has to fit
into. So I know this. So Marty

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like trying to you know, push my
wife along my side, you know, so

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that no one can really see I'm
carrying the bag. And this is

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shithead like, oh, excuse me.
Sure. You have to see if it fits

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in this in this in this rack.
You know, as he had fits Look,

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no, but the wheels have to go
all the way down. I'm like, it

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will fit in the overhead bin.
Oh, yes, sir. But this is a BA

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regulation. So it's only for
their airport that your bag can

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be over a certain size and my
bags not huge. And it fits in

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every single overhead had been
and so I always wind up getting

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into a fight with these guys.
And then have to go and check my

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bag and take my computer out and
do all this crap and it just

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really pisses me off. Wow. And
start it started. Start really

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started me off wrong. I was so
and of course just the fact is

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going through all this crap of
commercial flying EasyJet is

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great. Compared to KLM, which is
like a scheduled flight where

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they you know, a crew shows up
and then you have to wait for

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the groundstaff to do shit and
you know, priority boarding

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Where's EasyJet? It's the plane
comes in, throw everyone off

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empty the sick bags, put the new
passengers on and we're off,

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ladies and gentlemen, and I love

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southwest. I love it. So the CEO
of Southwest once he said I

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can't get near somebody. So how
do you how come you you're one

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of these airlines that makes
money. And he says a lot of

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these airlines don't realise
that the the only way you can

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make money or no, he said, the
thing you have to know about the

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airline business is that plane
sitting on the ground do not

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make money. That's extremely
expensive. And so he just you

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know, his operation is the same
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offloaded as fast as they can
they beg people to clean up

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after themselves. And then they
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as they can. And off they go.
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total spreadsheet business, I
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airline myself with well with
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they call a de OC, a direct
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exactly. And that includes
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maintenance per hour fuel burn
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stuff like oil, but also every
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replaced contingency, which is a
percentage of overall so you

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know that this aircraft will
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Airbus 320 I'm probably just
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it'll cost you $6,000 An hour do
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person that I mean, it's all
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know everything but you're
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the plane is operating. If it's
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shitloads of money because
that's the the other side of the

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spreadsheet is the financing and
the depreciation and it's really

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simple. It's a very simple
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wants to pay a lot of money to
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heavily subsidised for years.

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Well, so EasyJet is a good one.
I never been on them. That's a

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who started the airline and then
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he's kind of like a Richard
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style. Totally and his colour is
orange right everything is

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orange, which is just an
atrocious colour. But I think

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it's kick ass The only thing
that sad and I had heard that

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this was this was going to
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flights between London and
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they've they brought it back to
two ad spend is purely because

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of the oil price.

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What's the what's the cost of a
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and EasyJet?

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Well, this of course, depends on
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So what's the range?

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pounds I'd say if you booked the
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can go to Amsterdam casually for
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can get deals and you could
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a round trip about 100 bucks I
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That'd be fun.

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once the Americans don't you
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were over here in an entirely
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we don't realise, you know that
there's always a certain

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Cosmopolitan that everybody in
Europe is cosmopolitan, by any

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means. In fact, I remember
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talking to people in Germany who
have never been to Paris even

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though it's just a short train
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country. I mean, it does.
There's a provincialism all over

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the world, but the fact that the
opportunity exists if you're

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live anywhere in Europe to just
about visit all this cool stuff

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for almost next to nothing, and
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understand because it actually
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go to the Grand Canyon, which is
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Yep, exactly. And it's funny
because you know, I know that a

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lot of cab drivers in Amsterdam
and they love they love they

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love doing this PayPal airport
into the city run on my daughter

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closing the door on Friday
afternoon because that's when

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all the Brits on mass hop onto
EasyJet fly over to Amsterdam to

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get completely shit faced all
weekend long. And then so the

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ride the cab drivers absolutely
hate is a bunch of puking sick

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ass Brits on Monday morning
trying to get back into the city

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to be in their office by
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So we just get invaded but then,
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around the sea to museums, of
course the Reich's Museum, the

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Van Gogh Museum, yes. And the
red light hooker district. Now

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they all get stoned and tanked
up and laid and then they go

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back home.

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That's you know, that's called
the it's a form of tourism.

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Amsterdam does not like being
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tourism. I did want to say

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today there was a classy town. I
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will do Americans need to visit
this town because I consider it

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one of the really cool towns of
the Western Hamlet or the

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western half of the of the
Europe of Europe, because it's,

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I mean, it's the bicycles and
the trains going every which way

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and they cool little shops and
the really outstanding museums

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and,

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and while we still have a
reasonably small amount of

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listeners, if you're going to
Amsterdam, you can hit me up

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personally, just email me and
I'll help you find whatever

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you're looking for. I'll tell
you the best places to go as a

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service from no agenda to you.

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So that's nice of you.

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I do it all the time. People are
always emailing say, Hey, man,

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I'm going to be in Amsterdam.
What should I do? Where should I

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go?

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Now like what would you what do
you tell them? Usually? Well, it

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really depends

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on who it is, you know, some
people believe it or not, that I

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know actually do want to go see
the museum. Strange

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light recommend, by the way,
anybody you know, that museum,

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the both museums are good, but
the Van Gogh was quite

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interesting, because that museum
has got so many Van Gogh

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paintings in it, I mean,
hundreds and hundreds of them,

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if that music because every once
in a while they stay, they pack

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up a bunch of Van Gogh's from
all around the world. And they

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put them on a tour of the US
museum circuit, which, you know,

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they do with all kinds of
different things. And I remember

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one of those things, Van Gogh in
particular showing up in San

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Francisco, and years and years
ago, and it was like, there were

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like, you had to get tickets,
and there was a line a million

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miles long and you had to pay a
fortune to get in and it was

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like a slow moving process. You
meanwhile, you go to this

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museum, and you get to play I
mean, it's just, I mean,

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there's, there's 20 times more
paintings and it's just like,

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you know, there's none of this
hassle, it's a fantastic thing

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to do.

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So, there's also the Reich's
Museum, which usually has the

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Nightwatch Rembrandt one of
Rembrandt's most famous

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paintings on display. That's a
great one to see. I always

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recommend people go to see the
Museum of Modern Art the

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Stedelijk Museum if you've ever
been

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dropped into that museum Oh,
it's a really good one.

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I think you'll enjoy that. And
then London depending I may say

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check out the Anne Frank House
although I find that to be kind

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of disappointing.

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I think it's depressing this
whole the whole concept and that

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does have a line

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a huge line. But what I what I
recommend to others is the blue

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boat, which is a canal cruise
with with goodies to smoke

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that's a pretty good cruise.
Alternatively you can take the

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wine and cheese cruise which is
also good seeing Amsterdam from

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the water is a great way to see
some fantastic parts of the city

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you've done the canal boat tour
I'm sure John

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not to blow tour I never heard
that one I think it's something

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else by the way.

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No I have thought about setting
that one up but no no the

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blowtorch I doesn't operate all
year round yet.

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Sit around a big table I don't
know anyway,

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so you know it's just you're
just like in a in a coffee shop.

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You know you can buy some stuff
and then you sit there and you

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smoke and the guide tells you
what you know and dislike it's

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beautiful man you'd like oh wow
yeah, look at that. Look at the

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fakes facades this whole Kirti

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right with one of the reasons I
like Amsterdam is it's a

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photographer's dream come true
there are because of the

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architecture and also there's
the last time I was there I went

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to in the old town there's this
thing called the I think it's

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called the hidden church or this
it was this old Catholic church

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that's built into a bunch of
apartments.

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Oh, is that what you mean? Where
the nuns still live? Now that I

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think anybody's living there
it's almost purely a museum now

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I'm trying to think ways right
off the main is right walking

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distance from the what's right
as you first go into the old

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town, if you're coming from the
train station, it's it's a

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really cool exhibit is and that
you've seen it the Americans

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have seen it because they
highlight it occasionally on

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various documentaries, but it's
like, it's like a church that's

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in the rooves of about five or
six buildings. And during some

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period of history it was used as
a Catholics gathering place

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because being a Catholic was
illegal for a while and it's a

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whole like an infrastructure
into this into these houses

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that's that's a built that's a
church with the organ they're

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looking this way you did the
authorities couldn't tell this

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was huge org

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I don't know why. I don't know.
It's funny. I don't know what

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you're referring to actually.

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Yeah, I'll have to send you a
link I'm surprised you haven't

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been there it's actually worth
checking out.

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So the end to eat, I would just
recommend a couple things. If

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you're in Amsterdam, if you have
a chance and although not a

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Dutch it's an imported food. But
it is a very typical Amsterdam

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snack particularly if you've
been out that night drinking or

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whatever. Whereas in the UK
people would get a curry or you

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know a kebab. In Amsterdam you
have to get a shawarma Are you

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familiar with the swarm on John
not no I'm not so it's a pita

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bread and in there is very much
kebab light but cut up into

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small bits of strips usually
veal I think

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I saw this on a tourist show why
would trade you know rough guide

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or

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boy you want is you want to find
Ben Collins place it's on the

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Rosa craft and tell him I sent
you

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to get an extra piece of meat
you

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you'll get all kinds of love
trust me. You gotta have it with

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the with the garlic sauce the
white garlic sauce that's the

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best and typically even people
drink two glasses of milk with

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it which is just astounding. I
know but it's it's an Amsterdam

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treat I'm telling you

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well the food in Amsterdam is
not necessarily spectacular. All

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those countries Denmark,
Amsterdam all those Nordic and

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Scandinavian countries and in
Holland they don't know how to

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cook now and in fact the best
cuisine in Holland is it was

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brought was rife Stoffel
whatever it is not easy. Yes.

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Indonesia's not even their food
that's

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erased tafel which literally
translates to Rice table and you

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want to go to sama Saibot for
that.

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Now that now I will say this the
last time I or the tight

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deadline knows the last time I
was there, i i There's a peep

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there's some people that do the
tail new a new a press T A N E u

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there's some crazy European
press that produces all these

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cool books even go to an
architectural store, you'll find

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them the there's a builder
source bookstore on Fourth

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Street in Berkeley for anybody
in the Bay Area, they should go

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there and look at these books.
And there's the series is the

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cool they're called Cool hotels,
cool restaurants, cool bars, and

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they'll have them like cool
restaurants in Amsterdam or in

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Holland or Amsterdam cool bars
in New York cool hotels in San

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Francisco and is and they're
inexpensive books. And they're

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not meant to be tourist guides.
But the fact is you I got the

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cool restaurants of of
Amsterdam, before I went and

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looked and found about 10 cool
places that were just

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astonishing because this is like
a book for architects to so they

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can steal each other's ideas.
And in turn, it turned out that

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the food was good too. So you
know there is good food to be

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found but it's

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well but there's just some
typical Dutch things that if you

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run into them, you know like the
wild rice tafa would be would be

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you know, typical fare for going
out. But if you can get to Bofur

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choose which seasonal but that's
a little pancakes. I mean like

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bread League, half dollar size
pancakes, eating with powdered

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sugar and melted butter. And of
course if in season the herring

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you want to and it's just in
it's literally raw herring

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although it's been in salt I
guess or whatever it's been

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cured. With onions on it you
pick it up by the tail and just

444
00:24:49,620 --> 00:24:54,030
call just eat that right up. And
then hit it with some Dutch

445
00:24:54,030 --> 00:24:56,220
EJ all you're talking about is
snack food.

446
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,960
Well the the Dutch fares
basically meet potatoes and

447
00:25:00,990 --> 00:25:05,160
cauliflower. That's what they've
been eaten all their lives, you

448
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:05,400
know?

449
00:25:06,899 --> 00:25:09,539
No wonder they had to go to see.
Yeah, but

450
00:25:09,540 --> 00:25:12,180
if you're on vacation, you want
to, you know, catch the local

451
00:25:12,180 --> 00:25:14,400
culture, you know, it's like
they eat french fries over there

452
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,650
with mayonnaise, you know, it's
kind of weird, but you should

453
00:25:16,650 --> 00:25:17,910
try it. Yeah, it's snack.

454
00:25:18,809 --> 00:25:22,739
But the you're right, the effect
of that whole Denmark's the same

455
00:25:22,739 --> 00:25:26,519
way. And so as Belgium, they all
eat french fries with me. And

456
00:25:26,610 --> 00:25:31,050
I'll never forget, I'll never
forget 1972 And we were in salt

457
00:25:31,050 --> 00:25:34,260
fort and the Formula One races
were still what's still on that

458
00:25:34,260 --> 00:25:36,930
circuit at the time. And as my
dad and I went to have a look.

459
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,990
And he said, I'll get get get us
some neat and he came back and

460
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:42,780
I'm like, What the hell are you
thinking? I'm seven years old,

461
00:25:42,780 --> 00:25:45,930
right? Are you out of your mind?
You're gonna give us french

462
00:25:45,930 --> 00:25:50,040
fries with mayonnaise. But I
really learned to love it.

463
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,820
as well. It's actually not bad.
It's a little on the I mean,

464
00:25:53,820 --> 00:25:58,260
seems to me about a grease
overload. I mean, yeah, I mean,

465
00:25:58,260 --> 00:26:00,690
even with the ketchup, there's a
little vinegar in there to cut

466
00:26:00,690 --> 00:26:05,130
it. I mean, the extreme other
the other extreme of eating

467
00:26:05,130 --> 00:26:07,860
french fries is the British
style, where they don't even use

468
00:26:07,860 --> 00:26:10,770
ketchup. They use these big cut
go route. They cut to the chase,

469
00:26:10,770 --> 00:26:12,960
and it's just vinegar. Vinegar,
right?

470
00:26:12,990 --> 00:26:17,160
Yeah. What I what I love what I
want him to say, though, about

471
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:20,430
being in Holland in the show.
And this actually relates to the

472
00:26:20,430 --> 00:26:23,430
DVD that that didn't work that
you gave me. You said George

473
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:27,120
Carlin was on it was with his
most recent Yeah. SPO special.

474
00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:31,620
So of course, I went to Google
and video.google.com. And of

475
00:26:31,620 --> 00:26:34,380
course, the entire thing is
online. Right? That that only

476
00:26:34,380 --> 00:26:37,980
makes sense. And I watched it.
And there was this one segment

477
00:26:37,980 --> 00:26:40,620
in there. John, you'll probably
remember he's talking about how

478
00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:44,610
kids today while he's done this
routine before, I think in a

479
00:26:44,610 --> 00:26:47,100
different version about how
we're the kids that are growing

480
00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:52,230
up today are all pussies. And
they never taught to lose. You

481
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:54,210
remember that piece? And you
know, it's like, oh, well,

482
00:26:54,210 --> 00:26:56,760
you're the kid that comes in
last these days. You didn't lose

483
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,680
like, Oh, Johnny, you were the
last winner. Right? And, and I

484
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,190
related that to the show. So the
show, by the way, a live

485
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:10,050
television show with an audience
and with 13 cameras, it is very

486
00:27:10,050 --> 00:27:13,260
exciting to watch you know, I'd
kind of forgotten how cool it

487
00:27:13,260 --> 00:27:15,480
is. And you know, I could
basically go anywhere and stand

488
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,830
anywhere and you know, multiple
cranes and just a big production

489
00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:24,090
is impressive and I'm always
excited to how that works. And

490
00:27:24,090 --> 00:27:29,070
to see it all come together. It
was very cool. But they but the

491
00:27:29,610 --> 00:27:32,250
it kind of clicked for me after
having seen that that George

492
00:27:32,250 --> 00:27:35,340
Carlin bit that why this type of
programme works so well because

493
00:27:35,460 --> 00:27:39,540
it is so it seems really harsh
but basically just like the

494
00:27:39,540 --> 00:27:42,210
Olympics, which of course are
also extremely exciting because

495
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,330
on these types of events
Olympics and you know,

496
00:27:45,330 --> 00:27:49,590
performance based reality shows
people actually do lose. Yeah,

497
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:52,860
and they cry and they cry about
it. Exactly. And on this show

498
00:27:52,860 --> 00:27:57,720
it's kids to which is really
really heart wrenching. So it

499
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,350
was just it was it was good to
watch man I love it. I know you

500
00:28:01,350 --> 00:28:04,410
don't I know you hate that kind
of TV. But wow, it really sent

501
00:28:04,410 --> 00:28:06,720
me up and down on the emotional
roller coaster.

502
00:28:06,810 --> 00:28:10,620
I hate it because it's it ruins
these people's self esteem.

503
00:28:11,220 --> 00:28:14,160
Oh, you're kidding me. Come on.
This happens every single day in

504
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,250
auditions. auditions every week
or your shirt you shitting me

505
00:28:17,250 --> 00:28:22,710
right I'm good. I just fall for
that. I just got orrible. I

506
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:26,250
gotta I gotta switch topics real
quick. How embarrassed that is

507
00:28:26,250 --> 00:28:30,150
bad. I'm tired, man. Come on.
I've been like a bitch boy for

508
00:28:30,150 --> 00:28:33,300
my wife carrying her suitcases
getting her tea. You know,

509
00:28:33,300 --> 00:28:35,760
keeping people out of her
dressing room. It's been I've

510
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,960
been total I've just been
subservient and I've been beaten

511
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:45,120
down. I was I was watching an
excellent documentary on the

512
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,860
BBC. It's a series think of four
four part series and I hopefully

513
00:28:49,860 --> 00:28:52,740
I configured it right to record
the other ones. It's it's about

514
00:28:52,740 --> 00:28:56,280
brick and we talked about this
break. Is this new acronym for

515
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:01,350
Brazil? Was it Russia? India?
Yeah, thank you, Brazil, Russia,

516
00:29:01,350 --> 00:29:04,650
India, China. So it started with
Brazil make sense? Here's

517
00:29:04,650 --> 00:29:07,140
something I didn't know. And I
and I've never been to Brazil.

518
00:29:07,140 --> 00:29:10,140
I've never even been to South
America, which is really on my

519
00:29:10,140 --> 00:29:14,340
list. I want to go. He'd love
it. Damn. Sure. I would. So did

520
00:29:14,340 --> 00:29:19,680
you know that in Brazil, the
houses are bought with 100% cash

521
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,430
that up until a few weeks ago,
six weeks ago, you could not get

522
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:26,310
a mortgage but you literally
would buy a house from someone

523
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:29,220
for you know, whatever the the
asking price was and you'd give

524
00:29:29,220 --> 00:29:34,530
them like a check with the full
amount. And what's happening now

525
00:29:34,530 --> 00:29:37,440
and I'm like, wow, this is
pretty amazing from a financial

526
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,940
perspective is they've now
opened it up and make sense you

527
00:29:41,940 --> 00:29:44,340
know, the world needs another
money supply will basically

528
00:29:44,340 --> 00:29:46,830
they're going to start pumping
all this money out of Brazil

529
00:29:46,830 --> 00:29:50,640
because now everyone can get a
mortgage. And people are like,

530
00:29:50,670 --> 00:29:56,190
Oh, by the way, the mortgage
rates 68% 68% interest

531
00:29:56,220 --> 00:29:59,760
I'm gonna I'm gonna have to, you
know, I write for a magazine

532
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,520
number jail for done for a
decade or more

533
00:30:02,970 --> 00:30:05,490
decades is that Trent tranny
Gazette?

534
00:30:06,450 --> 00:30:10,320
The, it's called info. I'm gonna
write my editor and check this

535
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,960
story out because that did set a
no it didn't sound right.

536
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:18,600
How okay I mean, it was a looked
at a pretty incredible

537
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,990
documentary and I was
flabbergasted you know, like,

538
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:25,110
hey, you know what a great place
to go get some money, we'll just

539
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:30,360
start offering mortgages. And I
can see a number of institutions

540
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,210
that would be very interested in
grabbing some of that cash very

541
00:30:33,210 --> 00:30:37,200
one. Yeah, the whole all of
Brazil is basically loaded with

542
00:30:37,260 --> 00:30:38,130
with equity.

543
00:30:39,060 --> 00:30:43,320
Yeah, I would think so if that's
true. It's, you know, it's a

544
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:48,330
possibility. I've only been to,
I've been to a number of private

545
00:30:48,330 --> 00:30:54,630
residences, and I never thought
to ask how they're are financed.

546
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:54,870
But

547
00:30:55,199 --> 00:30:56,789
excuse me, did you pay for this
fucking thing?

548
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,040
You know, I mean, it's just,
like one of those weird things

549
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,250
that just go to a half dozen
times or more. And then the next

550
00:31:05,250 --> 00:31:07,470
thing you know, there's some
screwball fact you never thought

551
00:31:07,470 --> 00:31:08,040
to ask.

552
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:12,270
Yeah, damn. How could you not
think of that one?

553
00:31:13,260 --> 00:31:16,620
Two off the wall? Well, for us,
yeah. But

554
00:31:16,650 --> 00:31:18,810
when you think about it, you
know, maybe we're just off the

555
00:31:18,810 --> 00:31:19,260
wall.

556
00:31:19,980 --> 00:31:22,530
You know, I don't know. That's
the thing. Why don't why find

557
00:31:22,530 --> 00:31:26,850
the story somewhat incredible.
Because most nations where they

558
00:31:26,850 --> 00:31:31,410
even China, I mean, they, they
look at what we do, and copy it.

559
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,970
It's not like, you know, what
we're doing is crazy. You know,

560
00:31:35,970 --> 00:31:38,610
everybody copies that are
foreign, especially the United

561
00:31:38,610 --> 00:31:41,640
States for me, and actually
Britain. I mean, we do British,

562
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,770
the United States, and pretty
much the same when it comes to

563
00:31:43,860 --> 00:31:48,180
how we do capitalism. And
everybody copies it. And, you

564
00:31:48,180 --> 00:31:52,110
know, it's not like, you know,
all of a sudden, you know, 100

565
00:31:52,110 --> 00:31:54,840
years into it. Somebody says,
gosh, let's do mortgages. I

566
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,150
never thought of that, that
Jeez, you know, slapping the

567
00:31:57,150 --> 00:32:00,000
foreheads. just doesn't sound
right.

568
00:32:00,570 --> 00:32:03,900
Well, I was really paying
attention to it. Because I was

569
00:32:03,900 --> 00:32:07,530
like, Holy crap. I had no idea
this was and by the way, was it

570
00:32:07,530 --> 00:32:13,080
like 19 million people in
Brazil? I'm sorry. 19 million

571
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,400
people live in Brazil.

572
00:32:15,660 --> 00:32:18,240
And that's how many people live
in in in Rio.

573
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,580
And Rio, right? I'm sorry? Nah,
you're right. I meant Rio.

574
00:32:24,570 --> 00:32:28,410
Yeah, the reals probably around
90 novas. Sao Paulo is probably

575
00:32:28,410 --> 00:32:33,120
around 2500. Stockpile. They
don't know what the population

576
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,180
really is. You get different
estimates from 20 million to 35

577
00:32:36,180 --> 00:32:38,370
million. But I'll tell you the
first time you see that place,

578
00:32:38,370 --> 00:32:40,140
when you're flying into it, if
you come in from the right

579
00:32:40,140 --> 00:32:42,960
angle, it looks you think you're
landing on Mars or something. I

580
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,440
mean, there are just buildings,
great to the horizon. And every

581
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:47,400
direction. Amazing.

582
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:50,880
And with no seeming structure or
organisation.

583
00:32:51,030 --> 00:32:53,070
It's it's kind of a mess. Yeah.

584
00:32:54,180 --> 00:32:56,700
Yeah, the Rio that's it? Well,
maybe it was just Rio, then

585
00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:58,650
maybe it wasn't all of Brazil
with the mortgages.

586
00:32:58,710 --> 00:33:00,210
Well, Rio has got issues,

587
00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:03,690
particularly on the other side
of the river?

588
00:33:04,410 --> 00:33:07,110
Well, it's not just a river. I
mean, it's mostly in the hills.

589
00:33:07,530 --> 00:33:09,720
The all the best, you know, like
somebody wants to said, This is

590
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,870
what the town would you have,
we're all the best view lots and

591
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:18,480
everything that is really cool,
is all slums. It's the favelas

592
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,000
are all on the hills. And it's
like a separate city within a

593
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,460
city. And it's like if they ever
got could get rid of that it's

594
00:33:23,460 --> 00:33:26,760
too late now, because they let
it fester. But if they cleared

595
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,370
that area would be some of the
most amazing property in the

596
00:33:29,370 --> 00:33:29,880
world

597
00:33:30,030 --> 00:33:32,490
here. But they can't do that
now, because that's part of the

598
00:33:32,490 --> 00:33:34,800
work a big part of the workforce
lives there. Right?

599
00:33:35,820 --> 00:33:38,370
Not that I can tell him, you
know, I don't know how much of

600
00:33:38,370 --> 00:33:40,590
the workforce comes from the
from the slums.

601
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,710
I'll go back. I'll check my
Skybox later on tonight. And

602
00:33:43,710 --> 00:33:45,690
I'll find out the name of the
documentary because I'm sure

603
00:33:45,690 --> 00:33:48,420
it's on Google. And why why
doesn't Google get sued for

604
00:33:48,420 --> 00:33:51,330
that? What's up with that? It's
like the it's like no one gives

605
00:33:51,330 --> 00:33:54,330
a shit anymore. It's like have
copyright at mainstream

606
00:33:54,330 --> 00:33:57,300
copyright. Authorities given up
on Google?

607
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:02,970
You mean, the George Carlin
thing? Yeah. I don't know. It's

608
00:34:02,970 --> 00:34:03,630
a good question. You

609
00:34:03,630 --> 00:34:06,510
never hear anything about it
anymore. Yeah. You know, so once

610
00:34:06,510 --> 00:34:09,120
in a while, you still hear about
a takedown request for a song

611
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,090
from some guy who taped his
three year old dancing to

612
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,170
Michael Jackson or whatever. You
never really hear anything. And

613
00:34:16,890 --> 00:34:19,950
here it is only a couple of
weeks after. Yeah, a month after

614
00:34:19,950 --> 00:34:22,650
Carlin's new HBO specials on
this thing, of course was up the

615
00:34:22,650 --> 00:34:25,500
day after, it's nicely
categorised. You know, this

616
00:34:25,500 --> 00:34:29,040
guy's got a whole page filled
with all of George Carlin's

617
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,480
work. And it's like, oh, here's,
here's this series. Here's that

618
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,330
series, and it's all just up
there. I don't understand that

619
00:34:36,330 --> 00:34:40,320
just not getting called on it.
It's fine. I'm happy. Right? And

620
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,720
it was on YouTube, they probably
wouldn't get called on it.

621
00:34:43,470 --> 00:34:45,990
It's on YouTube as well. It's
just shittier quality. Yeah,

622
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:46,650
it's on YouTube.

623
00:34:48,060 --> 00:34:50,250
I don't know. I think you know,
the whole thing is somewhat

624
00:34:50,250 --> 00:34:53,610
baffling is people do things get
taken down, that should be up

625
00:34:53,610 --> 00:34:55,800
there and things are up there
that shouldn't be taken down. It

626
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,440
doesn't never made any sense to
me. I mean, somebody puts a

627
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,800
little clip of John Stone
written comment, which is like a

628
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,500
short, which is nothing more
than a blip everyone freaks out.

629
00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:06,960
It's like free advertisement.
And then the Comedy Central guys

630
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,840
get all bent out of shape about
there's no free advertising with

631
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,060
the George Carlin thing but
there's free advertising with

632
00:35:12,060 --> 00:35:14,310
the Jon Stewart thing and the
John store thing gets taken

633
00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:18,180
down. The Carlin thing stays up.
Exactly. I know it doesn't make

634
00:35:18,180 --> 00:35:18,510
any sense.

635
00:35:18,660 --> 00:35:20,910
It's like the British airport
authorities like no fucking

636
00:35:20,910 --> 00:35:21,870
consistency.

637
00:35:22,890 --> 00:35:23,850
And as a Spanish

638
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:30,690
man, and Boris Johnson is gonna
take us through the Olympics.

639
00:35:31,590 --> 00:35:33,900
Women don't know that's not
true. He doesn't get to stay

640
00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:34,410
that long.

641
00:35:35,460 --> 00:35:40,530
So I was at the library or did
our library here. He has the

642
00:35:40,530 --> 00:35:43,260
sales every once in a while and
I always go to him I got bought

643
00:35:43,260 --> 00:35:46,590
a cookbook. I said that this is
an aside because it was a call

644
00:35:46,590 --> 00:35:50,280
back to a show we did a couple
of weeks ago. So I got this

645
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:55,680
cookbook. That was $1. And from
1914. It's Ruth Wakefield's told

646
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,670
House tried and true recipes
which apparently Ruth Wakefield

647
00:35:59,670 --> 00:36:03,420
was like a the Alice Waters of
the 1930s

648
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,590
Wait, man, wait a minute, you
just said nothing at that meant

649
00:36:07,590 --> 00:36:10,350
nothing. The Alice Waters I know
Julia Child's

650
00:36:10,350 --> 00:36:13,230
is the one who does shape honey.
She's famous in the West Coast.

651
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:18,210
This is the problem with with
the trendiness of cooking comes

652
00:36:18,210 --> 00:36:18,630
and goes so

653
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:21,210
tell me about Alice Waters
first. So I understand well, its

654
00:36:21,210 --> 00:36:21,750
waters is

655
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:25,170
the one who would kind of
rejuvenated the Fresh

656
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,650
Mediterranean style cooking
what's cooked became California

657
00:36:28,650 --> 00:36:33,570
cuisine, okay, in the 70s and
she runs his restaurant, Chez

658
00:36:33,570 --> 00:36:38,580
Panisse, which has become kind
of a mecca for foodies, although

659
00:36:38,580 --> 00:36:42,240
I don't go there much anymore
because it's I think it's it's

660
00:36:42,660 --> 00:36:47,400
lost a little of its of its
lustre trendiness has lost some

661
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:51,330
and the audience's I mean, I
don't like really go into

662
00:36:51,330 --> 00:36:53,820
restaurants where I'm, I'm the
youngest person in the

663
00:36:53,820 --> 00:37:00,300
restaurant just doesn't work for
me. So, but anyway, she's but

664
00:37:00,300 --> 00:37:02,670
this woman from the 40s. But
what's cool about that, there's

665
00:37:02,670 --> 00:37:04,260
a couple things I wanted to
mention. I want to get into

666
00:37:04,260 --> 00:37:06,450
much, too much of a food
discussion, but okay, there's a

667
00:37:06,450 --> 00:37:09,690
couple of cool things. One,
inside the cookbook, there was a

668
00:37:09,870 --> 00:37:15,510
penny postcard that was dated
June 11 1940. And it actually

669
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:19,560
has a one cent stamp on it.
That's a penny postcard that

670
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,500
used to be a penny. And this
woman was bragging about how she

671
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:26,490
loved this, this. This
restaurant, she'd eaten there

672
00:37:26,490 --> 00:37:30,000
there. And the other cool thing
is that the book is apparently

673
00:37:30,030 --> 00:37:36,390
autographed by Ruth graves
Wakefield. And the thing I

674
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:39,210
really wanted to bring up and
just for $1, by the way, I was

675
00:37:39,210 --> 00:37:42,090
just about to say how would it
cost one buck? One buck? Yeah.

676
00:37:42,090 --> 00:37:45,060
And so he but the thing that's
weird about it is that there's a

677
00:37:45,060 --> 00:37:48,510
picture early in the book even I
can't find a recipe for it. of

678
00:37:48,930 --> 00:37:51,660
grapefruit stuffed with crab.

679
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:55,380
Oh, my goodness, that's your
favourite

680
00:37:56,190 --> 00:38:01,830
show. So I might like I had I
was gobsmacked. When I read

681
00:38:01,830 --> 00:38:06,090
this, and I looked at it, I
went, Oh my God, this isn't even

682
00:38:06,090 --> 00:38:08,970
a new idea. Because you as
anyone who listens to the show

683
00:38:08,970 --> 00:38:12,960
consistently knows that a few
weeks ago, Adam and I went to a

684
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,700
loft Foley and they one of the
dishes was this crab dish and it

685
00:38:17,700 --> 00:38:22,200
was on the plate was a was a
bunch of grapefruits ground up,

686
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,410
it was like a grapefruit sauce.
And I thought the combination of

687
00:38:25,410 --> 00:38:28,590
crab and grapefruit was
horrible. Well, you're up

688
00:38:28,590 --> 00:38:32,100
here. And I just want to say
that my wife eats that quite

689
00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:34,800
regularly. She'll make that for
herself as a little snack. I

690
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,980
believe the difference is in the
grapefruit. I think she sugars

691
00:38:37,980 --> 00:38:40,500
the grapefruit a little bit and
that was probably what threw you

692
00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:40,950
off.

693
00:38:41,519 --> 00:38:45,659
While the grapefruit was a
little bitter. But but I'm still

694
00:38:45,659 --> 00:38:47,849
trying to imagine because I'm
pretty good at kind of you to

695
00:38:47,849 --> 00:38:51,299
imagine that to taste a crab and
grin. I'm not getting it. I'm

696
00:38:51,299 --> 00:38:54,329
not getting that this is a good
combination. When you come over

697
00:38:54,330 --> 00:38:57,150
here, I'll have Patricia makers
for you. Maybe you won't get it.

698
00:38:57,659 --> 00:39:01,409
Maybe I'm already prejudiced.
Now that I mean, it's going to

699
00:39:01,409 --> 00:39:03,329
be hard for anyone to turn me
around even though I saw this

700
00:39:03,329 --> 00:39:06,299
old recipe from the 1940s which
makes me think as an old style

701
00:39:06,299 --> 00:39:09,389
thing that's never really caught
on is maybe only spotty with the

702
00:39:09,389 --> 00:39:10,199
Dutch but

703
00:39:11,850 --> 00:39:16,710
Rotterdam faction. So why do
you? Why does the library and

704
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:19,680
I've always supported libraries,
I've famously done a big hair

705
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,880
poster for the ALA, the American
Library Association, which is

706
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:28,560
still laughed about. Why did you
get a copy of that? Yeah, I

707
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,790
still have a couple of the full
posters. Why does the library

708
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:34,290
sell books to make space?

709
00:39:36,060 --> 00:39:39,420
Well, sometimes just to do there
is only so much space and to get

710
00:39:39,420 --> 00:39:41,730
a lot of books in and then they
move some of the older ones out

711
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,840
a lot of these they have a sale
at the Albany library twice a

712
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,810
year. And I think a lot of the
books are donated or they come

713
00:39:48,810 --> 00:39:51,390
from someplace else or from
closed libraries because there's

714
00:39:51,420 --> 00:39:55,650
there's more books for sale than
the library ever had. And I

715
00:39:55,860 --> 00:39:59,580
can't I have like boxes and
boxes of books that I bought

716
00:39:59,580 --> 00:40:02,820
usually be Huge sets of you
know, reference books that you

717
00:40:02,820 --> 00:40:06,810
can get for next to nothing that
are sitting in the basement

718
00:40:06,810 --> 00:40:11,790
because I can't resist buying,
you know, the 45 volumes of, you

719
00:40:11,790 --> 00:40:17,670
know, how to prune a tree, of
course, you know, does for $6

720
00:40:19,050 --> 00:40:21,810
You know, it's just you how can
you not buy this thing is, you

721
00:40:21,810 --> 00:40:23,490
know, so

722
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,640
that's a little known fact about
me. People do say, you know, for

723
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,620
my birthday, what do you want
for your birthday? What is the

724
00:40:28,620 --> 00:40:31,110
guy like you want and I always
it's always the same, just buy

725
00:40:31,110 --> 00:40:35,880
me a book. Any book will do. I'm
prefer I'm preferential to

726
00:40:36,450 --> 00:40:40,980
coffee table books, actually.
But really, I love big picture

727
00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:44,160
books. And that's my favourite.
But what I like about someone

728
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,370
giving you a book as a gift is
it says just as much about what

729
00:40:47,370 --> 00:40:52,260
that person thinks of you. As
like, oh, well, gee, thanks. You

730
00:40:52,260 --> 00:40:57,390
know, like, you really think I
would read this? It's a perfect,

731
00:40:57,420 --> 00:40:58,380
I love it. It's,

732
00:40:58,590 --> 00:41:02,370
it's lots of fun. Yeah, a
little. Now everyone knows. But

733
00:41:02,370 --> 00:41:05,310
anyway, one of the things my
wife and I both do is when we

734
00:41:05,310 --> 00:41:07,980
see these books, sales of any
sort, or we go to a US book

735
00:41:07,980 --> 00:41:10,590
place, we're always looking for
antique really, really old,

736
00:41:10,590 --> 00:41:15,060
especially if we can find public
domain cookbooks that go back

737
00:41:15,060 --> 00:41:17,970
into the turn of the century,
especially or even before, and

738
00:41:17,970 --> 00:41:20,340
we have a pretty large
collection of interesting

739
00:41:20,340 --> 00:41:25,560
cookbooks. And it's in it this
book is this particular one,

740
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,680
which is, I think, is the 11th
printing, I guess it was very

741
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:33,450
famous in its heyday. It follows
a certain weird style that these

742
00:41:33,450 --> 00:41:35,790
old cookbooks used to have,
which is the beginning of the

743
00:41:35,790 --> 00:41:38,730
cookbooks. And I don't know when
this ended, but I suspect in the

744
00:41:38,730 --> 00:41:41,790
late 50s, the beginning of the
cookbooks had nothing to do with

745
00:41:41,790 --> 00:41:45,720
cooking at all. It was just a
bunch of household tips, like

746
00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:49,470
tonnes of them. You know how to
here's like this right to page

747
00:41:49,470 --> 00:41:54,690
37. cuts and scratches. Remember
that all cuts and scratches are

748
00:41:54,690 --> 00:41:59,280
dangerous if neglected. It goes
on epileptic fits, talks about

749
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,070
how to deal with things that
place the patient in such a

750
00:42:02,070 --> 00:42:05,760
position. What does this have to
do with the cook cooking? Yeah,

751
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,020
I just pulled out one of my
favourite books because it just

752
00:42:10,050 --> 00:42:13,020
and by the way, it's hardly even
cracked. I used to go to the

753
00:42:13,020 --> 00:42:16,170
bookstore. And we lived in New
Jersey and every week it seemed

754
00:42:16,170 --> 00:42:18,000
one of these books would come
out and I'd buy it because I

755
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,620
knew that I was in it. And I was
seriously well I'm not kidding.

756
00:42:22,620 --> 00:42:25,110
I was like one day I'll really
enjoy this and this is the this

757
00:42:25,110 --> 00:42:28,500
is actually the first moment
when I was a kid when I was a

758
00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:32,010
kid improve hours in this book.
Right? Come sit on my knees

759
00:42:32,010 --> 00:42:35,430
Sonny Boy, I'll tell you and I'm
looking for the publish date on

760
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:40,800
this 1994 new writers
publishing. It is the new

761
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,620
writers official internet Yellow
Pages.

762
00:42:43,890 --> 00:42:46,530
Yeah, these guys were a
publishing company on the West

763
00:42:46,530 --> 00:42:50,850
Coast out here during the heyday
of computer the computer book

764
00:42:50,850 --> 00:42:53,040
business before they're all
bought up by Pearson

765
00:42:53,310 --> 00:42:57,030
Yep. And so um, it looks like
the yellow pages it's as thick

766
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:59,970
as the Yellow Pages even if you
look at the at the side of the

767
00:42:59,970 --> 00:43:03,180
page it has all those little
black marks for the letters you

768
00:43:03,180 --> 00:43:06,720
know so it's it's crazy if I
show this to my daughter which I

769
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:10,140
should do, as she'll laugh
because even says here as easy

770
00:43:10,140 --> 00:43:14,550
to use as the phonebook with
over 10,000 entries. Your

771
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:17,550
internet Yellow Pages is a
fantastic service nothing like

772
00:43:17,550 --> 00:43:20,070
it exists anywhere says Bill
arms vice president

773
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:23,040
chasing copy that's that's a
collector's item. There was two

774
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,140
of them actually, that came out
during that year that I have the

775
00:43:25,140 --> 00:43:28,110
other one. I have the other one.
Really. The other one I think

776
00:43:28,110 --> 00:43:32,490
was from Osborne McGraw Hill.
And they had the same title. And

777
00:43:32,490 --> 00:43:34,740
the things people don't realise
is that book titles are not

778
00:43:34,740 --> 00:43:38,610
copyrightable. So you know you
can go right war and peace if

779
00:43:38,610 --> 00:43:39,240
you want to.

780
00:43:39,540 --> 00:43:43,320
Somebody can go look at my entry
for a second. And so

781
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:49,980
I remember the editor of one of
the editors at McGraw Hill

782
00:43:50,010 --> 00:43:53,880
moaning just horribly wanting me
to write in PC Magazine. What a

783
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,270
rip off this other one was.
Really my answer the phonograph

784
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:57,570
back.

785
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,780
Oh, yeah, you go ahead. You
answer that phone, John. I mean,

786
00:44:00,780 --> 00:44:04,530
it's not like we're doing a show
or anything. Oh, see? So I'm

787
00:44:04,530 --> 00:44:07,890
looking at my that's
interesting. I wonder maybe I

788
00:44:07,890 --> 00:44:11,040
should look under the M for
mtv.com That's usually where I'm

789
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,760
listed in these things. And back
Yeah, I'm just I'm just trying

790
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:21,000
to find my entry. I think it
might be under MTV. I thought

791
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:21,120
you

792
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,070
were gonna pull out when you
said it was in this book one of

793
00:44:23,070 --> 00:44:29,730
those crappy What was that one
of the who's who books?

794
00:44:29,820 --> 00:44:32,550
Oh, I have that one too. I mean
that as well. The whose move

795
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:33,450
rock and roll

796
00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:36,870
was limited the way it would
always come. You know, I

797
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:40,050
actually was invited to be in
the real who's who wants the

798
00:44:40,050 --> 00:44:44,070
wondering which one, though?
Who's Who book. But I never

799
00:44:44,070 --> 00:44:47,190
followed up. I was too lazy to
fill out the form. But the other

800
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:48,990
ones the ones that you see in
the United States are all these

801
00:44:48,990 --> 00:44:52,770
who's who and in business who's
who and who's who's, who's who

802
00:44:52,770 --> 00:44:56,580
in the West, who's who in
California. And the whole idea

803
00:44:56,580 --> 00:45:00,450
that business model for those
books is to try to You know

804
00:45:00,450 --> 00:45:02,370
thought you know 5000 People
you're

805
00:45:02,370 --> 00:45:05,310
gonna you're gonna order 50
copies for yourself right?

806
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:09,120
Yeah cuz nobody else is gonna
buy these damn things and so you

807
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,720
know they you you put somebody's
name is like your name here and

808
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:14,790
then you sell it then you buy
the book for like some

809
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:17,700
ridiculous price and then you're
in the who's who. So when I go

810
00:45:17,700 --> 00:45:20,160
to somebody's house every so
often I do see one of these

811
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,730
books you know if I ever see a
who's who in the West, yeah,

812
00:45:24,510 --> 00:45:29,010
bookshelf but you bought it
persons in there and there's two

813
00:45:29,010 --> 00:45:32,940
things I can conclude one there
in the book and the people that

814
00:45:32,940 --> 00:45:36,090
have the book are complete
idiots and I should not want to

815
00:45:36,090 --> 00:45:37,200
be their friend. So I have

816
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:42,270
an even older book for McGraw
Hill publication. One I'm sure

817
00:45:42,270 --> 00:45:44,880
you have this one the the
complete the internet complete

818
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,370
reference, the most
comprehensive guide available

819
00:45:47,370 --> 00:45:51,420
includes extensive catalogue
with more than 750 Internet

820
00:45:51,420 --> 00:45:52,410
resources.

821
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,290
750

822
00:45:55,830 --> 00:45:58,800
Wow. And it's all like command
line stuff, right? It's all

823
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:03,090
newsgroups and Unix. And then
there's the whole earth online

824
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:09,630
Almanack by Brady publication
written by Don Rittner a topical

825
00:46:09,630 --> 00:46:16,020
A to Z Resource Guide A Guide to
the internet Library's cool hey

826
00:46:16,020 --> 00:46:17,580
man, we've come a long way
haven't we?

827
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,640
Well, not you're bringing out
book

828
00:46:21,420 --> 00:46:25,320
I knew it here comes John's Seto
rags collection

829
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,440
this is not a collection this is
one book that I'm gonna sell

830
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,280
someday. And I want to make it
could people know I have a copy

831
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:39,720
let's see here. What's inside?
Oh, boy, I found a interesting a

832
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:44,340
publication contract for cyber
X. Which is in his book for some

833
00:46:44,340 --> 00:46:49,230
reason. One of the dummy
contracts anyway. It's got a

834
00:46:49,290 --> 00:46:52,590
coverage got a couple bends on
now which really annoys me to no

835
00:46:52,590 --> 00:46:57,060
and it's not. But except for
that this is the Macintosh basic

836
00:46:57,390 --> 00:47:01,500
handbook that came out before
Macintosh basic was ever

837
00:47:01,500 --> 00:47:05,370
released and this is the basic
that was never released. Wow,

838
00:47:05,370 --> 00:47:09,840
that's nerdy is totally nerdy.
And this is the big scandal that

839
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,480
took place because apparently
Bill Gates puts the screws to

840
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:17,040
John Sculley and they pulled
this version this this

841
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,720
programming language off the
market and it never was

842
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:25,140
released. Chris got a lot of
cool things in it I mean, and

843
00:47:25,140 --> 00:47:26,970
this is a very this book

844
00:47:27,420 --> 00:47:30,480
the Mac never had basic you
could never programming basic on

845
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:30,930
it right?

846
00:47:31,380 --> 00:47:36,450
No, but this was was gonna be it
cool. And I don't even see

847
00:47:36,450 --> 00:47:39,270
there's just this book is so big
they don't even have page

848
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:42,840
numbers. I swear to god it's
unbelievable looking at now,

849
00:47:43,290 --> 00:47:47,370
there's no page numbers in this
thing. It must be 2500 pages.

850
00:47:49,230 --> 00:47:50,400
Anyway, so

851
00:47:50,550 --> 00:47:56,280
is it is it is it a what kind of
how unique is it? I mean, do you

852
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,320
think that how many do you think
were printed or the manual?

853
00:47:58,620 --> 00:48:01,410
Well the new manual was I don't
believe this manual was ever

854
00:48:01,410 --> 00:48:05,250
released. I just happen to get a
pre preview copy of it before it

855
00:48:05,250 --> 00:48:08,280
went out before printer what
killed I mean, this is a

856
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,330
finished copy but it was never
sent into into distribution. So

857
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,530
the number of copies out there
has to be probably less than 100

858
00:48:16,650 --> 00:48:18,870
but what killed the basic on the
Mac?

859
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:24,330
Steve Bill Gates This is
documented in John skellies

860
00:48:24,330 --> 00:48:29,400
biography Bill Gates went to
Scully I believe and said look,

861
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:33,030
we don't want anything create a
competing with Microsoft BASIC.

862
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:36,510
We're going to pull Microsoft
Office off the Mac if you

863
00:48:36,510 --> 00:48:37,560
release this thing.

864
00:48:37,590 --> 00:48:41,820
Oh, wow. I didn't know that.
Yeah, and so

865
00:48:41,850 --> 00:48:46,710
they did they stay pull it out.
They are the apple pulled off

866
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:50,820
basic. They never release it and
Thomas black Adar and Jonathan

867
00:48:51,150 --> 00:48:55,200
gets this common que mi n. The
two guys who wrote this book,

868
00:48:55,230 --> 00:49:00,210
the most disappointed guys in
the world. This book is huge.

869
00:49:00,210 --> 00:49:02,160
And these guys had to do a lot
of work.

870
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:06,420
Oh, by the way, just just to
tell you I have it. I have here

871
00:49:06,420 --> 00:49:10,260
the Osborne McGraw Hill, the
internet Yellow Pages second

872
00:49:10,260 --> 00:49:10,800
edition.

873
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,200
That's the one that they were
complaining to me about.

874
00:49:13,470 --> 00:49:16,260
A must have book for anyone who
wants to explore the vast

875
00:49:16,260 --> 00:49:19,560
reaches of the internet don't
venture into the ether without

876
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,180
it The Wall Street Journal.

877
00:49:21,630 --> 00:49:24,390
They said that they did theirs
before new writers but new

878
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:27,360
writers became a big hit for
some reason. And so they're

879
00:49:27,390 --> 00:49:30,240
moaning to me, John, you know
you because I was writing books

880
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:33,480
from actually had an imprint at
the time. Can you say something

881
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,840
in PC Magazine about how they
ripped off our title and man of

882
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,910
that but you know, the fact is,
your titles are not

883
00:49:38,910 --> 00:49:39,720
copyrightable.

884
00:49:39,780 --> 00:49:42,030
Why were they on helium when
they talk to you like that?

885
00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:45,150
Yeah, they all they were all on
helium. So where would I? You'd

886
00:49:45,150 --> 00:49:47,310
be in this, wouldn't you? I
know. I'd be in this somewhere.

887
00:49:47,340 --> 00:49:51,060
I don't think I'm in anything.
Yes, you are. You're cool, John.

888
00:49:51,090 --> 00:49:55,020
Oh, it has all of the the Usenet
groups listed.

889
00:49:57,300 --> 00:49:59,100
Those groups are still still
there.

890
00:49:59,130 --> 00:50:06,660
Yeah. Like Alton. Thought
religion dot Monica Oh then

891
00:50:06,660 --> 00:50:09,210
we're today's Hmm. Then we're
today anyway, so

892
00:50:09,210 --> 00:50:13,140
this book is available for
anybody who wants to buy it.

893
00:50:13,140 --> 00:50:21,510
Take it off my hands. Anyway
Where's your father? Would you

894
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:22,410
go into the kitchen?

895
00:50:24,030 --> 00:50:29,190
No, I went into the library here
at the manor. Well, that was

896
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:34,110
fun. What's your? What's your
most prized book? Which is which

897
00:50:34,110 --> 00:50:35,430
is the one you're most proud of?

898
00:50:37,170 --> 00:50:39,360
Well, I don't have any books I'm
proud of. I

899
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,060
mean, what do you what book do
you look in often?

900
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:47,340
You know, it depends on what
books lying around. It's it's

901
00:50:47,340 --> 00:50:51,210
not as though I'm like, I don't
really have anything that you're

902
00:50:51,210 --> 00:50:54,120
trying to describe. I have lots
of books I have like a you know,

903
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,210
I like so many civil war books
is ridiculous. I have a lot of,

904
00:50:57,450 --> 00:50:59,760
for me, the book financial
books, I have a lot of books on

905
00:50:59,820 --> 00:51:03,510
economic cycles, because I'm
working on that myself. And

906
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,130
there's a book called The
language of pattern or pattern

907
00:51:08,130 --> 00:51:11,130
language, a pattern language
like that. I mean, I picked that

908
00:51:11,130 --> 00:51:14,010
up and breezed through it every
so often. It's about

909
00:51:14,010 --> 00:51:20,550
architecture. But it's really
radically weird. And, you know,

910
00:51:20,550 --> 00:51:22,920
I've got some Toynbee laying
around once in a while that'll

911
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,180
put me to sleep but but this is

912
00:51:24,180 --> 00:51:27,000
the thing though, about books. I
don't know if you care or not,

913
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,570
but I like a book not just for
the content, but to me a book

914
00:51:30,570 --> 00:51:33,150
and I really look pretty, you
know, it's the cover I like

915
00:51:33,150 --> 00:51:36,720
hardbound books. I like like him
in my bookshelf, you know, they

916
00:51:36,750 --> 00:51:39,540
I don't know. Um, I like the
physical object of them,

917
00:51:39,570 --> 00:51:43,170
ya know, but books are objects,
and many, many are designed to

918
00:51:43,170 --> 00:51:44,340
be pretty

919
00:51:45,180 --> 00:51:48,990
or useful, or, you know, a lot
of reference books actually are

920
00:51:48,990 --> 00:51:52,650
put together in a useful way.
They physically in a useful way.

921
00:51:54,060 --> 00:51:57,030
That's why I like coffee table
books, you know, lots of big,

922
00:51:57,060 --> 00:51:58,350
different shapes. I like it.

923
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,920
I got a coffee table book lying
around here that I'm going to I

924
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,340
was going to sell off I'm gonna
given it to you. Oh, thank you.

925
00:52:05,700 --> 00:52:08,970
I have a lot of cookbooks and
idle thumbs down instantly. But

926
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,790
have you ever seen the book
century as a coffee table book?

927
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:16,470
No, it's a it's a humongously
big book. It's really it's

928
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:18,870
what's funny about it is you'll
see this book on television

929
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:23,250
shows all the time because it
was at the turn of the century

930
00:52:23,250 --> 00:52:26,970
for some reason it became the
gift to give to your business

931
00:52:27,390 --> 00:52:31,350
relations. And so company were
companies I guess these guys did

932
00:52:31,350 --> 00:52:34,800
some great marketing and it's a
century worth of history in

933
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:39,420
pictures. So you can imagine how
big this book is and the on the

934
00:52:39,450 --> 00:52:41,850
back of the book so when you see
it in a bookshelf you see with

935
00:52:41,850 --> 00:52:45,720
big white letter century and
from time to time we'll be

936
00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:49,200
watching a show like last time I
saw it was on the studio 60 on

937
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,890
Sunset that show unfortunately
got cancelled but it was in the

938
00:52:52,890 --> 00:52:55,620
producers office it was in the
in this bookshelf there and you

939
00:52:55,620 --> 00:52:56,910
see it all the time and it's

940
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,500
is the verse Bernard is
centuries hardcover, it's 12 136

941
00:53:01,500 --> 00:53:06,120
pages and and it is available
used for nine bucks.

942
00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:09,750
You're shitting me nine bucks.
Can you find out what the

943
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:10,950
original price used

944
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:15,450
three cars 123 copies
960 six@tower.com 924 at the

945
00:53:15,450 --> 00:53:19,380
Golden Gate bookstore and 942 at
word lover books, and then it

946
00:53:19,380 --> 00:53:24,150
goes up from there to 19 and on
4014 29

947
00:53:24,300 --> 00:53:28,440
It's a great book. It's a
fantastic book to look at really

948
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,680
is it for nine bucks. Yeah, you
should for that. Yeah, I mean,

949
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,660
what is it gonna be 12 for
shipping and handling?

950
00:53:34,410 --> 00:53:36,900
I don't know thing weighs that
big it's probably going to cost

951
00:53:36,900 --> 00:53:38,790
you 20 to ship the damn it's
very

952
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:41,160
heavy. It weighs a frickin
tonne. It's one of those things

953
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,380
you use, you know when you're
glueing shit and you're like oh,

954
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:47,610
what can I put on this? Get the
century book. It's what I mean

955
00:53:47,610 --> 00:53:50,430
it's a great object you know it
has its multifunctional.

956
00:53:51,540 --> 00:53:54,720
Yeah, 100 years of human
progress regressions suffering

957
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:55,920
and hope. I love

958
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,890
that. It's like a reality TV
show.

959
00:54:01,650 --> 00:54:05,970
Okay, Chris, I'd better order it
now before the our listeners all

960
00:54:05,970 --> 00:54:09,270
buy him up. And we got to have
the list price. And this thing's

961
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:10,560
only 1495

962
00:54:10,620 --> 00:54:15,840
I'm telling you. It was it was a
huge hit as a giveaway. I in

963
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,540
fact, I received two copies
myself I gave I gave another

964
00:54:18,540 --> 00:54:19,260
copy away.

965
00:54:19,740 --> 00:54:22,950
But 1000 photographs that
resembled copyright and I'm

966
00:54:22,950 --> 00:54:25,500
never good. It's funny. I missed
this one. Yeah, it was it was a

967
00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:31,770
big hit in the turn of the
century. Good marketing turn of

968
00:54:31,770 --> 00:54:34,830
this century Yeah. turn of the
century. Yeah, it came out in

969
00:54:34,830 --> 00:54:36,840
June 2002.

970
00:54:38,700 --> 00:54:42,330
Will that does? No, that's not
correct. Because

971
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,840
I wrote a nice version just
published. See a reprint okay.

972
00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:48,870
99 You're not Oh, let me just
say mind should mind shouldn't

973
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:50,310
say 99. Right. Hmm.

974
00:54:53,460 --> 00:55:00,180
Always to two and a half pounds.
Yeah, this has got to Be a

975
00:55:00,180 --> 00:55:02,520
smaller version. This is a
different one because this is

976
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,310
only five inches by five inches.
No way.

977
00:55:05,340 --> 00:55:08,670
Okay, here it is. So you get the
big giant or check it out. I'll

978
00:55:08,670 --> 00:55:10,020
just drop it on the table.

979
00:55:12,330 --> 00:55:16,290
Yeah, it's the big giant one.
It's and this was given to me

980
00:55:16,290 --> 00:55:23,190
by. So the one I kept apparently
by RTL Veronica and the Holland

981
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:27,330
Media Group. And they put some
little prinia they had a little

982
00:55:27,330 --> 00:55:30,510
inscription there that Oh,
actually, it's a inlaid page

983
00:55:30,510 --> 00:55:34,830
with the Holland Media Group. So
so it's even a special print.

984
00:55:34,860 --> 00:55:38,910
It's a special run. You know
what I mean? Yeah, it has their

985
00:55:38,910 --> 00:55:44,730
logo in it. It's conceived and
edited by Bruce Barnard. Right.

986
00:55:45,030 --> 00:55:46,560
Got that. And let me just see,

987
00:55:46,590 --> 00:55:49,110
I think this came out,
obviously, as a packaged thing.

988
00:55:49,530 --> 00:55:51,990
It was a package job. If you're
in the publishing business, you

989
00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:55,440
can you put the book together
for the publisher, you don't get

990
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,360
the publisher doesn't do
anything. But really district

991
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,270
district printed and district
distributed. It's called

992
00:56:00,270 --> 00:56:03,600
packaging. And so they this guy
was he packaged this thing and

993
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,880
sold it to a number of different
publishers around the world.

994
00:56:05,939 --> 00:56:11,399
There's no There's no date.
That's crazy. Oh, okay. So

995
00:56:11,399 --> 00:56:16,499
there's a forward a preface, I'm
sorry, which is by Bruce Bernard

996
00:56:16,499 --> 00:56:20,219
1999. But there's no other.
There's no other date.

997
00:56:20,490 --> 00:56:22,200
There's no copyright date in
there. No.

998
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:27,060
That's crazy. Beyond that page,
where where the inscription is

999
00:56:27,060 --> 00:56:30,510
basically saying, Hey, have a
great, have a great new century.

1000
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,920
A great new century to see what
they actually say, I'll

1001
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:39,060
translate it on the fly. The end
of a new year, the start of a

1002
00:56:39,060 --> 00:56:43,680
new century and a new
millennium. Looking back, we'd

1003
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:51,150
like to stop and think with you
and reflect on what was and as

1004
00:56:51,150 --> 00:56:56,640
far as we're concerned, what
will be again, more than just a

1005
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:02,850
good a good relationship. We're
looking out to lots more and

1006
00:57:02,970 --> 00:57:04,500
fucky very much Okay,

1007
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:10,050
so one of these guys is selling
this book. This small version,

1008
00:57:10,140 --> 00:57:14,790
even though it says hardcover,
his tower books, and they had

1009
00:57:14,790 --> 00:57:19,140
this big website did so Tower
Records became like music video

1010
00:57:19,140 --> 00:57:19,920
books.

1011
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:24,270
I didn't know that he I don't
know if that's universal across

1012
00:57:24,270 --> 00:57:26,010
all stores that closed?

1013
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:30,120
Well, I think it is for the
online. No, okay, it looks like

1014
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:31,650
it looks like a clone of Amazon.

1015
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,280
It was a big problem with Amazon
and I'm sure you follow this and

1016
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,710
it didn't really register with
me until I found out you know,

1017
00:57:37,710 --> 00:57:40,260
we have this pod show press
thing that Mark Nam cough runs,

1018
00:57:40,770 --> 00:57:46,350
right. So the deal is, you know,
we do the audio book and and we

1019
00:57:46,350 --> 00:57:48,780
get the advertising from that if
we can if we're fortunate enough

1020
00:57:48,780 --> 00:57:52,170
to sell it and then we will pay
for the cost of printing you

1021
00:57:52,170 --> 00:57:55,620
know, proofreading type some
typesetting things or whatever

1022
00:57:55,620 --> 00:57:58,800
it is, you know, layout
whatever, right and cover art

1023
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:04,140
even and then the printing. But
now Amazon has decided that

1024
00:58:04,140 --> 00:58:07,890
they'll I guess the did they buy
an on an on demand printing

1025
00:58:07,890 --> 00:58:09,180
company, John, you know,

1026
00:58:09,180 --> 00:58:11,940
I have not followed that. I've
only heard about it. I haven't

1027
00:58:11,940 --> 00:58:14,790
gotten I've been too busy to
check out what the hell they're

1028
00:58:14,790 --> 00:58:17,550
doing with this. I know they've
done stuff like this before.

1029
00:58:18,420 --> 00:58:20,700
They may have bought button on
demand printing company, they

1030
00:58:20,700 --> 00:58:22,050
know they can do short runs.

1031
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,200
Right? Well, I know the thing I
know is that they will only know

1032
00:58:25,230 --> 00:58:28,830
carry on demand on demand
printed books from this one

1033
00:58:28,830 --> 00:58:33,150
supplier which is I know it's
not the one we were using. And

1034
00:58:33,150 --> 00:58:36,090
the reason why is because the
one they use exclusively or

1035
00:58:36,090 --> 00:58:39,600
purchase is apparently really
shitty and like the pages fall

1036
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:39,900
out

1037
00:58:40,530 --> 00:58:43,530
the one that their Amazon ones
are crappy. Yeah,

1038
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:48,930
yeah. It's a it's quite a I
don't think this is a story

1039
00:58:48,930 --> 00:58:50,370
that's been covered well enough.

1040
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,490
Well, I'm gonna look into it
because I'm kind of just one of

1041
00:58:53,490 --> 00:58:56,910
the few little subsections of
the business that actually do

1042
00:58:56,910 --> 00:58:59,370
follow I've been to the On
Demand show in New York a couple

1043
00:58:59,370 --> 00:59:02,940
times and I've keep up with some
of the technologies out there

1044
00:59:02,940 --> 00:59:05,610
and what these companies do is
actually somewhat amazing you

1045
00:59:05,610 --> 00:59:09,570
can actually go out there don't
know this. There's these books

1046
00:59:09,690 --> 00:59:15,990
are referred to in the business
as oh, what's the toner based

1047
00:59:16,020 --> 00:59:19,500
printing? So instead of having a
printing press print the book is

1048
00:59:19,530 --> 00:59:23,700
printed on a with essentially as
a high speed laser machine.

1049
00:59:23,700 --> 00:59:27,210
Yeah. But it's not a copying
machine. And so what you can do

1050
00:59:27,210 --> 00:59:30,330
with toner based printing and I
can spend you if you ever get

1051
00:59:30,330 --> 00:59:33,090
one of these books that you've
probably seen him but I suppose

1052
00:59:33,090 --> 00:59:36,180
I get one of my hands I can
immediately tell that it's a

1053
00:59:36,180 --> 00:59:39,390
toner based book it you know,
it's an on demand book. They

1054
00:59:39,390 --> 00:59:46,290
have a certain feeling and look
and the paper and the way the

1055
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:50,010
the fonts look on the page and
everything about these books

1056
00:59:50,010 --> 00:59:54,840
just reeks and it kind of
bothers me because I think maybe

1057
00:59:54,870 --> 00:59:57,480
most people don't notice it but
I find them to have a slightly

1058
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:02,910
cheap quality. That is
indefinable. Anyway, the viewer

1059
01:00:02,910 --> 01:00:05,220
should understand that the
mechanism out there, there's

1060
01:00:05,220 --> 01:00:08,370
actually a mechanism, there's a
end to end mechanism now that

1061
01:00:08,370 --> 01:00:12,360
you can, you can literally do
the following thing. You give

1062
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:18,270
the, the printing company, a PDF
file and an Illustrator file,

1063
01:00:18,270 --> 01:00:21,420
which consists of the entire
innards of the book and the

1064
01:00:21,420 --> 01:00:25,500
cover. Theoretically, they don't
very rarely do this, by the way.

1065
01:00:25,740 --> 01:00:28,650
But theoretically,
theoretically, you can, the

1066
01:00:28,650 --> 01:00:32,250
printer can do the following.
They can take your PDF file and

1067
01:00:32,250 --> 01:00:36,150
your Illustrator file, they can
take somebody else's PDF file

1068
01:00:36,150 --> 01:00:39,120
and somebody else's Illustrator
file, and that goes into the

1069
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,570
computer and outcomes, it goes
right through this machine and

1070
01:00:42,570 --> 01:00:46,260
makes all the pages and binds it
and puts a cover on it. It comes

1071
01:00:46,260 --> 01:00:49,980
out one copy of your book,
followed by one copy of the

1072
01:00:49,980 --> 01:00:53,340
other guy's book, bang, bang,
just like that. Amazing, isn't

1073
01:00:53,340 --> 01:00:56,820
it? That's what print on demand
can do. Now, they generally

1074
01:00:56,820 --> 01:01:00,960
don't like doing it. Because
there, there may be, it's just a

1075
01:01:00,990 --> 01:01:03,750
data entry. I'm not sure exactly
why they just don't think it's

1076
01:01:03,750 --> 01:01:06,540
also you know, you got a bunch
of books are all mixed up. But

1077
01:01:06,570 --> 01:01:09,540
you know, they'd rather print
like 500 to 1000 copies, so they

1078
01:01:09,540 --> 01:01:11,970
can put them in a box and get
them you know, they don't deal

1079
01:01:11,970 --> 01:01:14,460
with here's one copy of your
book and another copy of this

1080
01:01:14,460 --> 01:01:16,710
guy's book, another copy of the
other guy's book. And what do we

1081
01:01:16,740 --> 01:01:20,070
do with all these books? Kind of
do they don't like that they're

1082
01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:22,860
not that organised. It would be
really cool, though. It's

1083
01:01:22,860 --> 01:01:27,480
missing from the pictures that
the one book comes out bound,

1084
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:33,420
chopped, falls off the edge into
an envelope. That is a shipping

1085
01:01:33,420 --> 01:01:36,090
envelope and a label slapped on
it. And it's automatically

1086
01:01:36,090 --> 01:01:39,030
sealed and goes right into the
UPS truck. Wow, that was that

1087
01:01:39,030 --> 01:01:41,610
was cool. They don't have that
in part yet. As far as I know.

1088
01:01:41,610 --> 01:01:41,760
Let

1089
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:45,450
me let me just read from an
email from Mark Nam cough to me,

1090
01:01:45,450 --> 01:01:49,830
I'm sure it'd be okay with it.
So there's a slight problem with

1091
01:01:49,830 --> 01:01:51,810
the book publishing thing I
didn't want to bother you with

1092
01:01:51,810 --> 01:01:54,570
yet of course, good little
soldier. Long story short,

1093
01:01:54,690 --> 01:01:57,480
Amazon has said it will no
longer carry Print On Demand

1094
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:59,940
Books done by companies other
than their own, which is called

1095
01:01:59,940 --> 01:02:03,270
Book Search. Problem is that
book search has a terrible

1096
01:02:03,270 --> 01:02:06,960
reputation for bad quality pages
falling out, etc. Very high

1097
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,350
costs and lack of availability.
This just came up about a month

1098
01:02:10,350 --> 01:02:12,300
ago. And I've been waiting to
see how it gets sorted out

1099
01:02:12,300 --> 01:02:14,970
before proceeding with putting
out books. There has of course

1100
01:02:14,970 --> 01:02:17,580
been a loud outcry from the
indie publishing community that

1101
01:02:17,580 --> 01:02:20,550
I've read. The Washington State
Attorney General is looking into

1102
01:02:20,550 --> 01:02:24,870
possible Rico implications. Evil
involving amazon BOOK searches

1103
01:02:24,870 --> 01:02:27,210
attempts to strong arm
publishers into taking their

1104
01:02:27,210 --> 01:02:28,560
less than adequate deal.

1105
01:02:30,810 --> 01:02:34,350
Interesting. Sounds like we need
to look into it.

1106
01:02:34,530 --> 01:02:37,260
Yeah. Sounds like you need to
make sure you're really

1107
01:02:37,260 --> 01:02:38,370
following these things.

1108
01:02:38,610 --> 01:02:41,130
Well, it sounds like it. Yeah,
no, I haven't gotten that far.

1109
01:02:41,130 --> 01:02:43,650
But I think it's a good that
sounds like a MarketWatch column

1110
01:02:43,650 --> 01:02:46,170
for me. Since Amazon's a
publicly traded company,

1111
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:49,080
I'm happy to have been able to
source some of that for you,

1112
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:53,310
John. I mean, it it I like that.
I love it. It said, you know,

1113
01:02:53,430 --> 01:02:56,280
Market Watch, to me is a pretty
mainstream brand, you know,

1114
01:02:56,310 --> 01:02:58,380
stuff gets out to the front that
way. I like that.

1115
01:02:58,740 --> 01:03:01,320
Well, you know, Market Watch is
an interesting operation of

1116
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,440
rifle because you got once you
realise what you're doing, in

1117
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:07,830
terms of what what the audience
wants, as opposed to like PC

1118
01:03:07,830 --> 01:03:11,640
Magazine, or some of these other
things and, and once you realise

1119
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:15,030
that, essentially, a brand, like
Market Watch is good for one

1120
01:03:15,030 --> 01:03:18,180
thing, and one thing was very
much like CNBC, you're there for

1121
01:03:18,180 --> 01:03:23,400
stock tips. That's it that's
about you know, how to paddle a

1122
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,670
boat, or you can learn about how
to buy stocks or how options

1123
01:03:26,670 --> 01:03:30,450
work. You're there for tips and
lots of them. Yeah. And that's a

1124
01:03:30,450 --> 01:03:36,150
difference between CNBC and Fox
Business. Fox Business is not

1125
01:03:36,150 --> 01:03:40,020
caught on yet. Because they
don't get that they have, you

1126
01:03:40,020 --> 01:03:43,500
know, shows, they got talk shows
and they got a little dinky

1127
01:03:43,500 --> 01:03:46,470
girls, and people just want to
know how to get rich. That's all

1128
01:03:46,590 --> 01:03:50,310
they just want. You know, what's
the stock doing? Is it a good

1129
01:03:50,310 --> 01:03:53,190
stock? Should I buy it? Some one
guy says yes, one guy says no,

1130
01:03:53,190 --> 01:03:56,970
there's actually a show I
listened to on one day, I was

1131
01:03:56,970 --> 01:04:00,510
driving around Massachusetts in
a car that had serious I think

1132
01:04:00,510 --> 01:04:03,240
was serious. It was either
Sirius or XM, one of the two,

1133
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,930
whatever. And I was turning
around and there was a section

1134
01:04:06,930 --> 01:04:10,320
of these radio talk shows that
don't get a lot of distribution.

1135
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:14,010
I think this was only on the
satellite. And it was a it was a

1136
01:04:14,010 --> 01:04:17,730
stock tip show that had a unique
form format that I really liked.

1137
01:04:17,730 --> 01:04:19,710
And I wish if somebody out there
listens to the show, they can

1138
01:04:19,710 --> 01:04:22,350
send me an email. So I know who
these people are. But it

1139
01:04:22,350 --> 01:04:26,730
consists of like, like four
experts of you know, from

1140
01:04:26,730 --> 01:04:30,780
different companies. And they
would say what do you think of

1141
01:04:30,780 --> 01:04:34,740
such and such, you know, this,
this in the name a company and

1142
01:04:34,740 --> 01:04:37,710
that one guy would say he why he
was recommending and another guy

1143
01:04:37,710 --> 01:04:40,500
would say why he doesn't
recommend it. And then another

1144
01:04:40,500 --> 01:04:42,750
guy would say, you know, it
thinks the company stinks. No

1145
01:04:42,750 --> 01:04:44,430
guy thinks this company is
great. It was actually kind of

1146
01:04:44,430 --> 01:04:47,940
interesting, because then they'd
argue about it and you get some

1147
01:04:47,940 --> 01:04:51,270
sort of a consensus out of it as
to whether this was a good stock

1148
01:04:51,270 --> 01:04:52,020
tip or not.

1149
01:04:52,110 --> 01:04:56,370
But one thing I think would be
very interesting, John, I think

1150
01:04:56,370 --> 01:04:59,520
that that holds true for our
audience here. I think you

1151
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:04,230
should Do a stock tip every
show. Yeah Should or just tell

1152
01:05:04,230 --> 01:05:07,470
us what you're buying? you
disclose it obviously I don't

1153
01:05:07,470 --> 01:05:07,740
buy

1154
01:05:07,740 --> 01:05:09,750
anything in tech though because
I write about in

1155
01:05:11,700 --> 01:05:13,620
tech or not. Well, I

1156
01:05:13,620 --> 01:05:15,090
would just stuff out of tech
Excuse

1157
01:05:15,090 --> 01:05:17,610
me. This is not twit I know.
You're confused because the

1158
01:05:17,610 --> 01:05:21,330
weekend you don't know if it's
Saturday or Sunday. You buddy,

1159
01:05:21,450 --> 01:05:24,120
you know, I heard you last week,
man. You guys had like a two

1160
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:27,150
hour show. All of a sudden now
it's okay for twit to be long.

1161
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,360
You're talking about you? It was
right after right after you did

1162
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,000
this show. And you're talking
about the same topics and it's

1163
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:34,200
pissing me off?

1164
01:05:34,770 --> 01:05:37,650
Brother. So the don't do

1165
01:05:37,650 --> 01:05:40,350
that man. I'm gonna give you I'm
gonna have to ban you from

1166
01:05:40,350 --> 01:05:41,040
Twitter. This is

1167
01:05:41,070 --> 01:05:44,220
this is gonna be this. Let me
give you this the stock tip that

1168
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:49,260
I'm thinking that I have not
into this. But I should if I

1169
01:05:49,260 --> 01:05:51,930
hear you're talking about this
with Leo, I'm going to be so

1170
01:05:51,930 --> 01:05:55,470
upset. I don't think Leo likes
stocks. But you guys aren't even

1171
01:05:55,470 --> 01:05:57,300
talking about tech anymore on
twit.

1172
01:05:58,740 --> 01:06:01,470
Well, I that's not my idea. I'm
not gonna keep bringing up the

1173
01:06:01,470 --> 01:06:05,310
news items. But we're not
talking about twit. It was was

1174
01:06:05,310 --> 01:06:07,620
talking about Twitter. By the
way, if you have a Twitter

1175
01:06:07,620 --> 01:06:12,780
account, the Vortech is my name.
I need to get a couple 100 more

1176
01:06:12,780 --> 01:06:15,300
and I'm Gulf beat in the top 10.
That's what I'm trying to do.

1177
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:21,390
Anyway, a lot of people are
looking at Capital One is a

1178
01:06:21,390 --> 01:06:21,900
short.

1179
01:06:23,490 --> 01:06:27,180
Huh, interesting. Now they're
the credit card company or is

1180
01:06:27,180 --> 01:06:28,740
that just plain just credit
cards,

1181
01:06:28,740 --> 01:06:31,620
it's mostly a credit because C O
F is the secret symbol to

1182
01:06:32,130 --> 01:06:34,170
Capital One, finance, I think
financial,

1183
01:06:34,290 --> 01:06:36,300
you think something's got to
happen with the credit card

1184
01:06:36,300 --> 01:06:38,820
companies, there's got to be
some shit going on there too.

1185
01:06:39,930 --> 01:06:40,710
There's got to be tonnes.

1186
01:06:41,070 --> 01:06:43,890
The whole thing. I mean, there's
ever since the Bear Stearns

1187
01:06:44,070 --> 01:06:46,950
collapse, everybody's really
sceptical about all these

1188
01:06:46,950 --> 01:06:50,160
finance companies, because they
all made the same mistake. A lot

1189
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,070
of it had to do with the fact
that they were, you know, these

1190
01:06:53,070 --> 01:06:59,340
fake AAA ratings that were just
bogus and, and I was had lunch

1191
01:06:59,340 --> 01:07:01,380
with somebody the other day was
in finance. And they were

1192
01:07:01,410 --> 01:07:04,710
talking about how the whole
lending system has changed so

1193
01:07:04,710 --> 01:07:06,840
drastically because it used to
always be you'd set across some

1194
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,660
of the person that was borrowing
the money. And now it's all done

1195
01:07:09,660 --> 01:07:12,300
on computers. And it's done out
of India, and it's all

1196
01:07:12,900 --> 01:07:15,510
offshored. And you know, who
knows, usually people would

1197
01:07:15,510 --> 01:07:17,760
obviously the scammer just came
in, hey, well,

1198
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:21,000
and the rating agencies I think
are the largest to blame.

1199
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,400
Because they they're the ones
that put triple A status all

1200
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:24,390
this crap.

1201
01:07:24,900 --> 01:07:28,350
Yeah, no, the rating agencies
are to blame. They should all be

1202
01:07:28,350 --> 01:07:30,690
taken out and hung. And you
know, in

1203
01:07:30,690 --> 01:07:33,720
this, I think, I think we're
still not even halfway through

1204
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:37,290
this game, man. Because I know,
you know, I'm really into this

1205
01:07:37,290 --> 01:07:41,040
and I'm just reading all these
horror stories and, you know,

1206
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:44,640
bank, there's no money flowing.
It's just not flowing and really

1207
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:49,200
is not. It's not not a pretty
situation, there's find this,

1208
01:07:49,350 --> 01:07:53,610
everyone was fucking everyone
else in some minut small way.

1209
01:07:53,610 --> 01:07:56,580
And it was all you know, it's
just all come crashing down. It

1210
01:07:56,580 --> 01:08:01,260
wasn't just these, you know,
mortgage securities, all kinds

1211
01:08:01,260 --> 01:08:02,880
of shenanigans has been going
on.

1212
01:08:03,780 --> 01:08:09,480
Yeah, just been the shenanigan.
Era. Damn. But this took place

1213
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:11,100
in the 20s, too, and it's very
similar.

1214
01:08:11,970 --> 01:08:14,220
Yeah, we'll get over it. It's
just how long will it take? You

1215
01:08:14,220 --> 01:08:15,360
know, because you keep talking

1216
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,550
about when the economy
collapses, you know, in about a

1217
01:08:17,550 --> 01:08:19,170
year and a half what happens
when

1218
01:08:19,170 --> 01:08:21,570
the economy collapses or what
actually takes place?

1219
01:08:22,620 --> 01:08:25,320
Well, it did. It upsets a lot of
people.

1220
01:08:26,790 --> 01:08:32,880
It's great fodder for news. Lots
of great for, for news, like a

1221
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:37,050
pundit. You know, a lot of
people I'm really pissed off

1222
01:08:37,050 --> 01:08:43,500
now. This economy has collapsed.
What happened? What happened? So

1223
01:08:43,500 --> 01:08:44,280
we get a British

1224
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:45,150
understatement.

1225
01:08:46,710 --> 01:08:51,000
That was a good one. It was a
good one. Yeah. So what happens

1226
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:52,890
hyperinflation and we'll take

1227
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:56,310
questions. So here's the
question of what happens is, I

1228
01:08:56,310 --> 01:08:59,160
believe Hyperinflation is what's
going to happen and the reason

1229
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:01,950
why is because we're so deeply
in debt worldwide, that the

1230
01:09:01,950 --> 01:09:05,250
fastest way to even my dad told
me this when I was a little kid,

1231
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:07,950
exactly what he's telling a
little kid this, I'm not sure,

1232
01:09:07,950 --> 01:09:11,910
but he says, These guys like
inflation, because that way you

1233
01:09:11,910 --> 01:09:16,320
can pay off your debts with
cheaper money. And okay, dad,

1234
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:16,410
and

1235
01:09:17,969 --> 01:09:19,889
let me just let me just stick
with that for a second. And

1236
01:09:19,889 --> 01:09:25,229
clearly you were scarred for
life by this. So hyperinflation

1237
01:09:25,229 --> 01:09:27,929
they can pay off their debts
with cheaper money.

1238
01:09:28,440 --> 01:09:32,850
If you have a thought if you're
$1,000 or 10, let's say $100,000

1239
01:09:32,850 --> 01:09:36,570
in debt, and all of a sudden, we
go into a hyperinflation mode

1240
01:09:36,570 --> 01:09:38,910
where everything goes up in
value like drastically and it

1241
01:09:38,910 --> 01:09:41,670
costs more to do everything and
you have to obviously get raises

1242
01:09:41,670 --> 01:09:43,980
and pay get more pay. Right,
right, right, right, the

1243
01:09:43,980 --> 01:09:46,590
relative value of the dollar
stays the same, but you have

1244
01:09:46,590 --> 01:09:49,860
like now you have 100 times more
of it, because you have to keep

1245
01:09:49,860 --> 01:09:51,990
up with hyperinflation. And by
the way, the Brazilians are the

1246
01:09:51,990 --> 01:09:54,600
best at dealing with this. They
used to have it as a common

1247
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:56,940
problem in the country for
decade or more. And the

1248
01:09:56,940 --> 01:09:59,820
Brazilian banks are known to be
the most advanced in the world

1249
01:09:59,820 --> 01:10:02,160
because As of their ability to
deal with hyperinflation.

1250
01:10:02,580 --> 01:10:06,840
Anyway, so now you had an A so
now there's like everything is

1251
01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:10,890
just cost a lot more. And so you
still have the $100,000 that

1252
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:12,780
that doesn't change that. And

1253
01:10:12,780 --> 01:10:15,720
so that's basically like worth
1000. Now that debt so I can pay

1254
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:17,850
it off and I'm done with live
1000

1255
01:10:17,850 --> 01:10:20,250
bucks, you're out of debt. I
mean, what could be better than

1256
01:10:20,250 --> 01:10:23,970
that? So if you're heavily in
debt and all screwed up, you

1257
01:10:23,970 --> 01:10:26,700
know, her relation is the way to
go. And we're internationally

1258
01:10:26,700 --> 01:10:29,850
heavily in debt. And it's
possible that hyperinflation

1259
01:10:29,850 --> 01:10:32,310
would fix it, but you know,
Hyperinflation is also gone.

1260
01:10:32,310 --> 01:10:32,520
Okay.

1261
01:10:33,540 --> 01:10:35,880
So run me through the scenario
for a second. So let's say we

1262
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:39,390
have hyperinflation so the
dollar devalue, no, wait a

1263
01:10:39,390 --> 01:10:44,580
minute, the prices go up tenfold
as $1 Then go down tenfold is

1264
01:10:44,580 --> 01:10:46,980
that what happens the value
value versus versus?

1265
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:53,580
Yeah, relative value does but it
only if of course you demand you

1266
01:10:53,580 --> 01:10:56,400
get paid more because you know,
yeah, otherwise you starve

1267
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:58,650
deflation. Right? Right. Yeah.
Otherwise you started because

1268
01:10:58,650 --> 01:11:02,280
you got nothing. Right? Now the
thing is, what happens to real

1269
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:04,740
estate real estate obviously
goes up in value because it's

1270
01:11:04,740 --> 01:11:06,480
real estate.

1271
01:11:07,890 --> 01:11:10,350
By the way, you don't actually
own the land. I just want to

1272
01:11:10,350 --> 01:11:14,580
point that out. You only you
only own the real estate shit on

1273
01:11:14,580 --> 01:11:15,060
top.

1274
01:11:15,629 --> 01:11:19,679
Can you do on the land? Oh, I
beg to differ. But anyway, when

1275
01:11:19,859 --> 01:11:21,929
you don't own the mineral
rights, generally, but you

1276
01:11:21,959 --> 01:11:25,169
generally own the land. Because
you can buy lots How does that

1277
01:11:25,169 --> 01:11:28,019
work? So anyway, so the price of
all

1278
01:11:28,590 --> 01:11:30,540
I just want to say John, you
just asked me a question and

1279
01:11:30,540 --> 01:11:33,330
while sobered okay, we'll get
into that another time. But

1280
01:11:33,450 --> 01:11:35,790
don't think you can just blow
past me because you don't own

1281
01:11:35,790 --> 01:11:41,070
your land. Oh, okay. I hear

1282
01:11:41,100 --> 01:11:42,390
no, no, I

1283
01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:46,290
don't. I've I've been lectured
on this. And I all I want to get

1284
01:11:47,370 --> 01:11:53,670
by a constitutionalist. Ron Paul
thing, it's a total Ron Paul

1285
01:11:53,670 --> 01:11:55,410
thing, so I got to look into it.

1286
01:11:55,440 --> 01:11:58,530
Alright, so then we know it's a
little nutty. Alright, besides

1287
01:11:58,530 --> 01:12:01,200
the point one way or the other,
for all practical purposes you

1288
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:05,910
do even if you don't based on
some crackpot theory, now. Oh,

1289
01:12:05,910 --> 01:12:12,840
man. The point is, you don't
talk to Leo like that ever. He

1290
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:18,540
never comes up with crackpot
theories. If he did, I would. So

1291
01:12:19,620 --> 01:12:23,070
anyway, the point is, is that
hyperinflation creates one form

1292
01:12:23,070 --> 01:12:25,800
of a weird economy. And the
other one, of course, is the one

1293
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,650
that they hate the most, which
is deflation, which is the one

1294
01:12:28,650 --> 01:12:32,820
where real estate becomes worth
less. And you know, the dollar

1295
01:12:32,820 --> 01:12:36,870
becomes worth more. So you want
to be in cash. And not in, in

1296
01:12:36,870 --> 01:12:40,950
property, and or debt, for sure.
And deflation is the one that

1297
01:12:40,950 --> 01:12:45,600
scares me the most. And the last
time we went through a economic

1298
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:49,020
situation, we had this thing
called stagflation, which was

1299
01:12:49,020 --> 01:12:51,360
something totally different than
anything that anyone's ever

1300
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:55,830
witnessed before. You had a lot
of hyperinflation in the cycle

1301
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:58,320
before that. And there's it
always takes on some sort of

1302
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:01,470
different form. That's the
problem with Yeah, even if you

1303
01:13:01,470 --> 01:13:04,830
could accurately and I think you
can accurately accurately

1304
01:13:04,830 --> 01:13:08,940
predicted an economic downturn.
You know, you get you run into a

1305
01:13:08,940 --> 01:13:12,420
bunch of issues. One, everyone
wants to know why. I don't think

1306
01:13:12,420 --> 01:13:16,110
there's a why I think it's a
cycle. And then everybody wants

1307
01:13:16,110 --> 01:13:19,020
to know what in terms of what is
it going to be like? Is it gonna

1308
01:13:19,020 --> 01:13:21,390
be hyperinflation? Is it gonna
be stagflation? Is it going to

1309
01:13:21,390 --> 01:13:24,540
be something new? Which would
and what would that be? That's

1310
01:13:24,540 --> 01:13:27,060
the question you really can't
answer. It's just like you don't

1311
01:13:27,060 --> 01:13:30,060
know because every one of these
things is so different. So so

1312
01:13:30,090 --> 01:13:32,340
let's just know what to
recommend. I tell you you know,

1313
01:13:32,340 --> 01:13:34,920
the only thing that's been
consistent over every economic

1314
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:39,750
downturn has been farmland if
you can buy farmland at the

1315
01:13:39,750 --> 01:13:43,620
bottom of of an economic
collapse, which tends to be in

1316
01:13:43,620 --> 01:13:48,360
this next one would be 2013 that
farmland will increase in value

1317
01:13:48,390 --> 01:13:51,750
until for about seven years,
while everything else is going

1318
01:13:52,020 --> 01:13:52,860
all over the place.

1319
01:13:52,860 --> 01:13:55,920
So I noticed you've actually
moved your target from 2012 to

1320
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:56,880
2013.

1321
01:13:57,180 --> 01:14:01,920
No, no that the target still the
October 2009 for a crash and

1322
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:06,300
then it cycles down to 2013
which would be the bottom it

1323
01:14:06,300 --> 01:14:10,200
would be same as 1933 is a
matter of fact hold

1324
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:13,830
on October 2009. And the bottom
is when in 2013.

1325
01:14:14,700 --> 01:14:18,300
I don't know whom summer summer
could be anytime in 2000 it just

1326
01:14:18,300 --> 01:14:21,600
bounces around on the bottom and
2013 is the bottom and then it

1327
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:24,450
starts to pick up this is the
way the cycle works by the way

1328
01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:26,970
Well let me ask you this let me
ask you this then since clearly

1329
01:14:26,970 --> 01:14:32,730
some some questions can't be
answered. Ultimately, everyone

1330
01:14:32,730 --> 01:14:37,080
within the collapsed economy
gets hurt. How do you think

1331
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:40,080
that's gonna look? I mean, what
is the hurt going to be like,

1332
01:14:40,110 --> 01:14:43,110
does that is that totally depend
on whether it's a deflation,

1333
01:14:43,380 --> 01:14:47,250
hyperinflation or stag
stagnation? Or stagflation? I

1334
01:14:47,250 --> 01:14:48,360
like stagnation better.

1335
01:14:50,820 --> 01:14:53,670
I don't know. I mean, it like
everybody gets hurt one way,

1336
01:14:53,670 --> 01:14:55,920
shape or form and it's but you
know, some people get through it

1337
01:14:56,340 --> 01:14:58,710
to get lucky. I mean, there's
all kinds of you have

1338
01:14:58,710 --> 01:15:01,560
a strategy for each For each
scenario so that we can get

1339
01:15:01,590 --> 01:15:03,090
unbelievably wealthy

1340
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:07,920
Well, if you can short you know
drive the thing into the ground

1341
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,320
you can you can make quite a bit
of money if you have the guts to

1342
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:11,100
do it right that's

1343
01:15:11,100 --> 01:15:15,660
drive that's driving the actual
collapse. But once you're in the

1344
01:15:15,660 --> 01:15:17,610
collapse what can you do? Is
that is that when you want to

1345
01:15:17,610 --> 01:15:20,040
just be at the bottom, get your
farmland That's it.

1346
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:23,730
That's pretty much it. Yeah,
only farmland that's the safe

1347
01:15:23,730 --> 01:15:27,630
bet. That's the only safe bet.
That's it then then you do sell

1348
01:15:27,630 --> 01:15:30,720
the farmland to in the year
2020. And then right, it goes

1349
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:32,490
back to the midsole price.
Because at the end of the day,

1350
01:15:32,490 --> 01:15:35,070
we need to think of the Swedes
who came up I have the

1351
01:15:35,070 --> 01:15:38,850
documentation for this farmland
idea somewhere. But it'll be in

1352
01:15:38,850 --> 01:15:42,120
this book when I get the damn
book done. But the farmland

1353
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:45,300
thing, the Swedes, I believe are
the ones who documented this

1354
01:15:45,330 --> 01:15:49,800
this strange effect. And it
seems to be valid. If you think

1355
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:51,660
about the logic of it, it makes
sense.

1356
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,410
That's fascinating stuff, man.
So okay, so we got to look out

1357
01:15:55,410 --> 01:15:57,930
for the shorts on the way in and
that's going to be before

1358
01:15:57,930 --> 01:16:00,540
August, October 2009, you want
to explain

1359
01:16:00,930 --> 01:16:04,320
October two, now there's three
ways that these these cycles

1360
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:09,510
began. There's the one that
essentially sometimes you can

1361
01:16:09,510 --> 01:16:13,440
carry the thing, the whatever
the case is in 2013, that is a

1362
01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:18,900
bottom of something. It might
not began in 2009, it might not

1363
01:16:18,900 --> 01:16:22,500
begin in 2010. There the eight
through the cycle that was in

1364
01:16:22,500 --> 01:16:29,040
1890 Really didn't start with a
crash in 1889. It was actually

1365
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:32,100
kind of with the business,
everything was looking good for

1366
01:16:32,100 --> 01:16:33,960
a number of years. And then it
collapsed. And they had a

1367
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:38,700
depression, quote unquote, in in
1980 93. And it was called the

1368
01:16:38,730 --> 01:16:42,450
Great Depression of 1893. And
then it followed the rest of the

1369
01:16:42,450 --> 01:16:45,180
cycle. So the beginning of the
thing has a number of different

1370
01:16:45,420 --> 01:16:49,320
the entries to the collapse are
very there's gonna be some of

1371
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:53,130
them. I think ideally, you have
a stock market crash after a

1372
01:16:53,130 --> 01:16:56,490
little mini boom. And a lot of
people don't see a mini boom

1373
01:16:56,490 --> 01:17:00,360
coming and you can't have a
crash without a boom. Would you

1374
01:17:00,510 --> 01:17:03,210
say there is one I think next
year I think in 2000 I think as

1375
01:17:03,210 --> 01:17:08,790
soon as John McCain is elected
president which is gonna last me

1376
01:17:08,790 --> 01:17:09,360
but oh, no,

1377
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:12,450
no, I listen, dude, I'm all over
the world. I'm telling people

1378
01:17:12,480 --> 01:17:15,060
John McCain's gonna win. Like I
fucking made it up. Okay, so I'm

1379
01:17:15,060 --> 01:17:16,020
totally there with you.

1380
01:17:17,100 --> 01:17:20,280
So when John McCain is elected
president, and I think the

1381
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:22,890
scenario would be different if
the other two God got in but if

1382
01:17:22,890 --> 01:17:25,950
John McCain's elected president,
I can assure you, because this

1383
01:17:25,950 --> 01:17:28,590
had kind of happened, we've seen
it a couple of times, that the

1384
01:17:28,590 --> 01:17:32,970
stock market's going to take off
like a rocket and, and then if

1385
01:17:32,970 --> 01:17:36,570
he can get us out, you know, if
all the guys running, he's the

1386
01:17:36,570 --> 01:17:40,110
one guy who could just pull us
out of Iraq, just out of the

1387
01:17:40,110 --> 01:17:44,370
blue. He could just take, say,
you know, I looked this over and

1388
01:17:44,370 --> 01:17:46,890
I guess I was mistaken. These
guys are screwed up. I didn't

1389
01:17:46,890 --> 01:17:49,890
realise how bad it was. We're
leaving now. You know, and he

1390
01:17:49,890 --> 01:17:52,620
would have the chops to do it.
And he's the only guy with the

1391
01:17:52,620 --> 01:17:55,230
credibility to pull that off at
your you know, if it was Obama

1392
01:17:55,230 --> 01:17:57,060
or somebody all you know, they
would think he's just a big

1393
01:17:57,060 --> 01:18:00,150
weenie or when McCain could pull
that up.

1394
01:18:00,150 --> 01:18:03,360
He has the charisma. Yeah,
absolutely. If he did that,

1395
01:18:03,629 --> 01:18:06,269
on top of like the fact that he
just got elected. Yeah, the

1396
01:18:06,569 --> 01:18:10,289
market would go crazy explode.
Now you have to remember, I'm

1397
01:18:10,289 --> 01:18:14,369
sorry, you have to remember 1929
before the market crashed, well,

1398
01:18:14,369 --> 01:18:17,969
some of us can remember that,
John? Well, when I was a kid,

1399
01:18:19,259 --> 01:18:23,699
when the stock market crashed in
29 You have to know that it was

1400
01:18:23,699 --> 01:18:28,109
1929 Where the thing went crazy.
It wasn't the 1928 or the

1401
01:18:28,109 --> 01:18:32,999
equivalent of 2008 It was in
1929 and within that one year

1402
01:18:32,999 --> 01:18:37,319
period, the entire Dow Jones
tripled which means that the Dow

1403
01:18:37,319 --> 01:18:41,909
Jones that it is today would go
to over 30,000 sometime before

1404
01:18:42,449 --> 01:18:43,109
the crash

1405
01:18:43,110 --> 01:18:46,410
so just basically buy indexes
then just to be you know say

1406
01:18:46,470 --> 01:18:47,070
yeah, you

1407
01:18:47,070 --> 01:18:50,250
could that would be a good bet
and it's short term and anyway

1408
01:18:50,250 --> 01:18:50,670
people

1409
01:18:51,390 --> 01:18:53,340
What do you mean short term
because it's going to first

1410
01:18:53,340 --> 01:18:55,410
first is going to take off and
then we showed them right

1411
01:18:55,440 --> 01:18:58,590
yeah you wait for it to take off
then you're short when it

1412
01:18:58,590 --> 01:19:02,520
crashes yeah actually the crash
always used as a bounce so you

1413
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:07,230
can use it short at the bounce
but be that as it may the I

1414
01:19:07,230 --> 01:19:09,510
always tell people said no
divorce is theory of yours which

1415
01:19:09,510 --> 01:19:13,920
you've been talking about for
years now is crazy. And I always

1416
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,740
say to him look here's the only
thing just do me this one

1417
01:19:16,740 --> 01:19:22,380
favour. If the stock Dow Jones
hits 30,000 Consider the theory

1418
01:19:22,470 --> 01:19:26,670
on roll on the money a and start
getting ready to sell everything

1419
01:19:26,670 --> 01:19:27,210
you own

1420
01:19:27,810 --> 01:19:31,800
well so let me say this I'm in
you know why big no seriously

1421
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:34,830
because I don't give a shit
right now I have nothing but

1422
01:19:34,830 --> 01:19:38,580
cash I have no stocks no bonds
except what I own in in MVNO and

1423
01:19:38,610 --> 01:19:41,400
everything else I'm I'm
completely out because I just

1424
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:45,210
don't want the headache however,
I will go into your strategy

1425
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:46,260
full force.

1426
01:19:47,700 --> 01:19:49,980
I buy it and well then because

1427
01:19:50,700 --> 01:19:52,980
could have I lose I'm like I
don't give a shit anyway.

1428
01:19:53,430 --> 01:19:57,180
All right within the states if
you're heavy on cash, the thing

1429
01:19:57,180 --> 01:19:59,640
you have to do I'm boy, Chris,
you could you know put some

1430
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:02,670
money in the market when it
starts to pick up after McCain

1431
01:20:02,670 --> 01:20:07,410
gets elected, you want to put
your money in, in Swiss banks in

1432
01:20:07,410 --> 01:20:11,760
Swiss francs, because the debt
will be indexed against any sort

1433
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:12,810
of up or down.

1434
01:20:13,889 --> 01:20:16,139
Right. So but that's the cash
that I'm not putting into the

1435
01:20:16,139 --> 01:20:18,569
market. You mean? Yeah. Okay,

1436
01:20:18,630 --> 01:20:22,590
I'll do 5050 Yeah, it'd be fine.
You got so much money, who

1437
01:20:22,590 --> 01:20:23,580
cares? 5050

1438
01:20:23,610 --> 01:20:28,200
Upwards 50 into the indexes, or
indices? Is that what you call

1439
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:31,890
them? No, no, no, no, put 50
into Swiss francs. That's cool.

1440
01:20:31,890 --> 01:20:34,050
Because then I also get one of
those bank account numbers that

1441
01:20:34,050 --> 01:20:34,920
no one else knows.

1442
01:20:35,129 --> 01:20:38,879
Now that the you have to ask for
that suspended data. That's a

1443
01:20:38,879 --> 01:20:41,609
rare account. Very few people
get those. Those are crazy.

1444
01:20:41,609 --> 01:20:44,069
That's, that's the big. That's
got to be the biggest sucker's

1445
01:20:44,069 --> 01:20:44,429
game. And

1446
01:20:45,810 --> 01:20:48,300
I'll tell you what the biggest
sucker's game is. So the minute

1447
01:20:48,300 --> 01:20:52,050
you show up at a private bank,
right, so there's banks, people

1448
01:20:52,050 --> 01:20:53,790
might not know this, and maybe
it's interesting to talk about

1449
01:20:53,790 --> 01:20:57,570
it. But when you have a certain
amount of money, you will be

1450
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:02,040
aggressively marketed by banks
who basically want to manage

1451
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:06,120
your money and use it to, you
know, do shitty loans and stuff.

1452
01:21:06,570 --> 01:21:12,600
And the hell was my point, John,
what the fuck

1453
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:14,730
are we just talking about? Just
you're talking about the private

1454
01:21:14,730 --> 01:21:17,730
banks is the biggest scam? Oh,
here it is here. Okay, right.

1455
01:21:17,730 --> 01:21:22,260
All right. So when you have over
a certain amount, then they

1456
01:21:22,260 --> 01:21:24,750
always come to you in these in
this meeting. It's like, well,

1457
01:21:24,750 --> 01:21:26,850
and then we have new because
they always have all these

1458
01:21:26,850 --> 01:21:29,400
different programmes and
vehicles. Basically, it's like

1459
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:31,860
charges, right? There's just
stuffed to take money away from

1460
01:21:31,860 --> 01:21:35,010
you. Not even using your money,
just fees that you will pay

1461
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:38,160
fees, fees. Exactly. And by the
way, some of them are really

1462
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:40,560
good and very personal. And I
have good relationship with some

1463
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:44,160
bankers, but the one that I
really always freaks me out is,

1464
01:21:44,370 --> 01:21:48,420
well, we have the kidnap
insurance. And yeah, oh, yeah,

1465
01:21:48,420 --> 01:21:51,630
it's nuts. And they said, and
it's never actually signed in

1466
01:21:51,630 --> 01:21:54,300
your name. So no one ever knows
that you have the insurance?

1467
01:21:54,330 --> 01:21:56,700
It's you only get a number and
then you gotta you know, that's

1468
01:21:56,700 --> 01:21:58,950
like you got a number in a
sealed envelope. And then,

1469
01:21:59,190 --> 01:22:02,730
should you or someone in your
family or whatever, yeah, who is

1470
01:22:02,730 --> 01:22:05,910
insured is kidnapped, then
you're insured up to whatever

1471
01:22:05,910 --> 01:22:08,940
amount but only only by number.
You're not known by name?

1472
01:22:08,940 --> 01:22:11,790
Because of course, you know, if
someone knows you have this

1473
01:22:11,790 --> 01:22:13,950
insurance, which of course the
guy who was selling it to me

1474
01:22:13,980 --> 01:22:18,120
knows no matter what, whatever
my number, he knows a habit.

1475
01:22:19,530 --> 01:22:20,580
It's a freaky thing.

1476
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:22,560
How much did they charge?

1477
01:22:23,249 --> 01:22:25,559
I don't I always said no. I
said, you can keep her.

1478
01:22:26,550 --> 01:22:32,970
Yeah. And she said the same
thing. Oh, isn't that

1479
01:22:32,970 --> 01:22:38,910
coincidental? It's not worth it.
I'd rather have the interest.

1480
01:22:40,230 --> 01:22:42,840
Well, that's when we had our
public company, man, that was

1481
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:45,120
that was like, they were guys,
when I told you this before they

1482
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:48,720
were waiting outside the door.
And you know, our stock went

1483
01:22:48,750 --> 01:22:52,650
from seven to 45. Over a couple
of months, you know, it bounced

1484
01:22:52,650 --> 01:22:55,080
around. And then we missed a
quarter, you know, typical

1485
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:57,930
public stomping company stuff,
although we actually were pretty

1486
01:22:57,930 --> 01:23:01,800
much profitable all the time.
Then you get these shareholder

1487
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:04,680
lawsuits. And what would happen
is they start suing the

1488
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:06,780
company's a publicly listed
companies, you have to go

1489
01:23:06,780 --> 01:23:10,410
through all these procedures
before Sarbanes Oxley. And lo

1490
01:23:10,410 --> 01:23:13,620
and behold, they pretty much go
for the amount of money that is

1491
01:23:13,620 --> 01:23:17,310
known as a basic insurance rate
for these types of lawsuits. And

1492
01:23:17,310 --> 01:23:19,710
so at the end of the day, you
know, when it got to that point,

1493
01:23:19,710 --> 01:23:22,350
everyone said, Okay, well, here
we go. And then they get a check

1494
01:23:22,350 --> 01:23:27,570
just for being dickheads
horrible business, just sitting

1495
01:23:27,570 --> 01:23:29,970
there just waiting to sue you,
for whatever reason, they can

1496
01:23:29,970 --> 01:23:33,330
find any kind of cause. And it's
always for the exact amount that

1497
01:23:33,330 --> 01:23:37,920
you're insured for. It's just
it's an it's another sub loop of

1498
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:41,910
this big theft that's going on
in Wall Street.

1499
01:23:42,930 --> 01:23:50,970
On Wall Street. Well, it's, it
is an issue. So I bought some

1500
01:23:50,970 --> 01:23:52,440
raw milk the other day,

1501
01:23:53,250 --> 01:23:57,420
like straight from the cow raw
wish. Have you ever had that

1502
01:23:57,420 --> 01:23:59,070
straight from the cow from the
otter?

1503
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:03,840
Yeah, I had when I was a kid. Me
too. Good. Yeah. It's kind of

1504
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:08,160
warm. It's kind of a weird way
of consuming. No, I've got a

1505
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:10,980
photo on one of my one of these
crazy old cookbooks that shows

1506
01:24:10,980 --> 01:24:14,310
it I guess in these little towns
in Italy some guide wander into

1507
01:24:14,310 --> 01:24:17,370
town with a cow with a bell on
it ding ding, you know, with his

1508
01:24:17,370 --> 01:24:20,250
wife and they would sit down and
that would they'd set up shop.

1509
01:24:20,370 --> 01:24:23,250
Yeah. And then they just bring
your bucket in the farmers

1510
01:24:23,250 --> 01:24:26,010
market kind of thing. Yeah, you
bring your bucket and you did

1511
01:24:26,010 --> 01:24:29,100
squirt in a bunch of milk and
you'd walk in home. The good old

1512
01:24:29,100 --> 01:24:30,030
days, my friend.

1513
01:24:31,230 --> 01:24:32,460
I remember them well.

1514
01:24:34,020 --> 01:24:37,410
Squirting cows. But I'll tell
you this, there's no comparison

1515
01:24:37,410 --> 01:24:40,710
to UK if anyone there out there
has a raw milk dairy that were

1516
01:24:40,710 --> 01:24:45,090
nearby they should get get this
stuff and it should be a nearby

1517
01:24:45,180 --> 01:24:47,310
dairy and should be a small one
should be there's one here.

1518
01:24:47,340 --> 01:24:50,280
There's a big conglomerate that
makes the stuff and it's just

1519
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:53,820
terrible. It goes bad and it's
just you don't want that. But

1520
01:24:53,820 --> 01:24:55,650
the good raw milk that we

1521
01:24:55,860 --> 01:24:59,250
go to a farm go to a forum when
you're driving by some cows go

1522
01:24:59,250 --> 01:25:02,100
to the pharmacy Hey dude, can I
please suck your cow? I would

1523
01:25:02,100 --> 01:25:05,790
like to try some milk. Like
that's not a bad idea. I'm sure

1524
01:25:05,790 --> 01:25:08,370
they'll sell some milk to you if
you come around milking time

1525
01:25:08,910 --> 01:25:12,270
depends. I mean it depends on
how freaky they are about the

1526
01:25:12,270 --> 01:25:15,270
health department. You know,
that thing has been, you know,

1527
01:25:15,270 --> 01:25:17,970
done in this country to
brainwash people that raw milk

1528
01:25:17,970 --> 01:25:22,590
is bad. And so that way, you
know, these big giant dairies

1529
01:25:22,590 --> 01:25:26,460
can make all the money. But if
you're up in Washington, there's

1530
01:25:26,490 --> 01:25:31,110
Dungeness Creamery, which is the
first raw milk dairy in the

1531
01:25:31,140 --> 01:25:34,290
country which is down near our
house up there. And you can

1532
01:25:34,290 --> 01:25:37,350
actually drive over there the
places so spotless does dairies

1533
01:25:37,350 --> 01:25:42,180
and the cows look so happy? It's
hilarious. What does it have?

1534
01:25:42,180 --> 01:25:45,600
You kind of look like? It's just
like this contentment? You can't

1535
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:46,410
describe it?

1536
01:25:46,650 --> 01:25:50,970
Have you ever gone cow tipping
at night? No, I never have and I

1537
01:25:50,970 --> 01:25:54,300
really hated it. But it was
like, cuz I grew up to certain

1538
01:25:54,330 --> 01:25:57,270
couple of a couple of years of
really in farmlands and that we

1539
01:25:57,270 --> 01:26:00,330
do that kind of shit go out at
night. And then tip cows over. I

1540
01:26:00,330 --> 01:26:05,190
really felt bad. It's It's
really sad. is kind of mean it

1541
01:26:05,190 --> 01:26:09,120
is is incredibly mean. But you
know, that's the way they

1542
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:11,580
are. It's not like you killed
the cow. No, of

1543
01:26:11,580 --> 01:26:14,880
course not. Now, that was the
local butcher. We used to go

1544
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:17,760
peek and we'd look through the
doors the crack in the door of

1545
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:23,160
the abattoir. And we'd see how
he'd slaughtered the cows. Yeah,

1546
01:26:23,670 --> 01:26:24,630
that was pretty quick.

1547
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:32,280
So we're talking about the about
the fact that we buy animals off

1548
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:36,150
the roof and they in these small
farmers have these guys that

1549
01:26:36,180 --> 01:26:40,200
come around that dead? Do they
sometimes are in trailers and

1550
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:43,500
sometimes but these guys are
called offers? I never got to

1551
01:26:43,500 --> 01:26:46,110
this conversation before when to
bring it up because I was

1552
01:26:46,110 --> 01:26:49,440
talking to my wife about it you
know so you get so these offers

1553
01:26:49,470 --> 01:26:53,220
these professional guys who kill
the animals

1554
01:26:53,310 --> 01:26:57,000
as an offering them is that why
they're called offers? Yeah.

1555
01:26:57,780 --> 01:27:01,230
And apparently they like it's
your you got your steer that

1556
01:27:01,230 --> 01:27:03,300
you've been raising, you know,
and he's, you know, nine months

1557
01:27:03,300 --> 01:27:08,610
old, you decide you're going to
call him and eat him. By the

1558
01:27:08,610 --> 01:27:10,740
way, this is a good conversation
for this particular show,

1559
01:27:10,740 --> 01:27:13,140
because this gets rid of any of
the vegans that might be

1560
01:27:13,140 --> 01:27:13,530
listening.

1561
01:27:14,190 --> 01:27:15,480
Those of you still left

1562
01:27:16,830 --> 01:27:21,180
get it, you know, go someplace
else. So anyway, so they but

1563
01:27:21,180 --> 01:27:24,480
they did way it's done
apparently, as they come up, and

1564
01:27:24,480 --> 01:27:28,920
they, you know, pet the animal,
and then they, you know, do all

1565
01:27:29,910 --> 01:27:33,180
talk nice to whisper sweet
nothings in

1566
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:37,860
their brains out or something.
Shock, electric shock, right?

1567
01:27:38,070 --> 01:27:41,640
And that changes the nature of
the meat because the

1568
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:43,740
slaughterhouses are all the
animals are freaky, you know,

1569
01:27:43,740 --> 01:27:46,620
they're going into up to steps.
They know what's going on, they

1570
01:27:46,620 --> 01:27:49,290
know what's happening. They know
what's going on, and they're all

1571
01:27:49,290 --> 01:27:52,980
nervous and all their hormones
are in their meat. And you know,

1572
01:27:52,980 --> 01:27:55,590
you wonder why the public swell
screwed up because we eat this

1573
01:27:55,590 --> 01:27:58,350
crap, which has been all you
know, excited. This animals

1574
01:27:58,350 --> 01:28:01,830
excited and scared. And now
you're eating the same hormones

1575
01:28:01,830 --> 01:28:04,620
and you know, does it just not a
good thing? Well, anyway, that

1576
01:28:04,620 --> 01:28:08,550
the end of the story is there's
apparently one guy up in

1577
01:28:08,550 --> 01:28:13,140
Washington, who was so good at
this, that he's called the Zen

1578
01:28:13,230 --> 01:28:18,780
offer. The Zen offer. And Zen
offering apparently can go up to

1579
01:28:18,780 --> 01:28:22,830
just about any animal and sweet
talk. And the animals just

1580
01:28:22,830 --> 01:28:26,490
relaxed as hell and it's just
feel so good about life and

1581
01:28:26,490 --> 01:28:31,680
boom, dead. And so my wife's
comment is I wonder if that guy

1582
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:33,060
can even get a date

1583
01:28:39,510 --> 01:28:42,480
hold on Zen offer let me see if
the.com is

1584
01:28:42,480 --> 01:28:45,540
available. Zen offer.com

1585
01:28:45,570 --> 01:28:50,040
Oh, it's already taken. All
right. Who has? I told you me

1586
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:53,940
you can't get a.com domain name
anymore. It's unbelievable Zen

1587
01:28:53,940 --> 01:28:59,640
offer.com loading hold on
loading point to park page.

1588
01:28:59,670 --> 01:29:02,370
It's a very friendly page.

1589
01:29:04,140 --> 01:29:07,770
Cow airline tickets hotels car
rental.

1590
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:10,170
Parking Sonic Park page.

1591
01:29:11,310 --> 01:29:16,230
I hate that means it costs
$100,000 Now, it's got pop

1592
01:29:16,230 --> 01:29:20,760
unders Jeez. I hate that. That's
good. That

1593
01:29:20,790 --> 01:29:24,420
was I needed to tell the story
about the Zen offer that's cool.

1594
01:29:25,110 --> 01:29:28,080
You know the apparently the
menus in Holland although they

1595
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:30,900
weren't all that great to start
with as we established earlier.

1596
01:29:31,830 --> 01:29:34,260
They get all their meat now from
Argentina they're not even

1597
01:29:34,260 --> 01:29:38,640
eating their own meat anymore.
And it's become so expensive

1598
01:29:38,970 --> 01:29:42,120
that they they have had to pare
down the menus you just can't

1599
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:44,610
get certain cuts of meat anymore
because there would be like 50

1600
01:29:44,610 --> 01:29:48,000
bucks if they actually had to
you know charge charge fairly

1601
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:51,180
for to some restaurants have not
even put it on the menu anymore.

1602
01:29:53,580 --> 01:29:58,020
It's messed up man.
Globalisation thing.

1603
01:29:58,650 --> 01:30:02,790
Well, it's yeah. And who What
sense does it make to ship a

1604
01:30:02,790 --> 01:30:09,480
carcass? from Venezuela? Yeah.
Oh, wherever Argentina, I guess,

1605
01:30:09,480 --> 01:30:11,760
which is where they place is
loaded with meat. If you don't

1606
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:14,490
go down there it's all eat.
Yeah, well, well you can it's

1607
01:30:14,490 --> 01:30:16,710
actually pretty good. By the
way, let me down there

1608
01:30:16,860 --> 01:30:19,050
plenty good cows to kill in our
own backyard?

1609
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:21,930
Well, you could I mean, there's
plenty of grass around. I mean,

1610
01:30:21,930 --> 01:30:24,690
the thing is, is all this
propaganda against me it's

1611
01:30:24,690 --> 01:30:27,270
starting to crop up again. And
it all happened during this

1612
01:30:27,270 --> 01:30:32,280
green week that we had. Yeah, we
talked and we had guys like Bill

1613
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:36,540
Maher, you know going on about
how bad meat is I'm thinking

1614
01:30:36,540 --> 01:30:37,800
what is this guy's problems? You

1615
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:40,440
read that article in the you
read the International Herald

1616
01:30:40,440 --> 01:30:41,370
Tribune? Don't you?

1617
01:30:41,850 --> 01:30:43,770
Once in a while, usually when
I'm travelling.

1618
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:46,980
Okay. Yeah, it was yesterday's
edition. That was a whole thing

1619
01:30:46,980 --> 01:30:52,020
about the about the actually, it
was something we said we might

1620
01:30:52,050 --> 01:30:55,710
touch on that, basically these
the article was American has no

1621
01:30:55,710 --> 01:31:00,840
energy policy. And he took the
Hillary and Obama measured

1622
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:04,650
measures measures I should say,
which they which are now known,

1623
01:31:04,650 --> 01:31:07,200
which we actually talked about,
they said, Well, what they would

1624
01:31:07,380 --> 01:31:11,430
if they became president, both
Obama and Hillary Clinton would

1625
01:31:11,970 --> 01:31:18,840
remove the excise the gasoline
tax, essentially. And so this

1626
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:22,620
whole story went a little bit
deeper. How there's absolutely

1627
01:31:22,620 --> 01:31:25,470
Obama said he, Obama said he
wasn't going to do that. I'm

1628
01:31:25,470 --> 01:31:26,100
sorry, McCain.

1629
01:31:26,130 --> 01:31:28,980
I'm sorry, McCain and Clinton.
Yeah, Obama said he wouldn't.

1630
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:33,090
And then this article went in
deeper as to you know, how the,

1631
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:36,990
we have so poorly thought out
our energy strategy, that, you

1632
01:31:36,990 --> 01:31:39,600
know, we're still putting
billions of research and

1633
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:43,830
subsidies into r&d for, you
know, liquid extraction and all

1634
01:31:43,830 --> 01:31:47,250
these other petroleum based
versions of of getting energy

1635
01:31:47,250 --> 01:31:52,140
out of the earth. And no
investors want to step up, you

1636
01:31:52,140 --> 01:31:54,780
know, like a Kleiner Perkins as
an example. They're, they're

1637
01:31:54,780 --> 01:31:57,390
hesitant to step up, because
there seems like there's no

1638
01:31:57,390 --> 01:32:00,270
subsidies for any of you know,
the solar or not, I don't even

1639
01:32:00,270 --> 01:32:02,250
know if that's gonna work that
well. But you know, the solar,

1640
01:32:02,610 --> 01:32:06,270
wind energy. And if it's like a
real conundrum, and we're just

1641
01:32:06,270 --> 01:32:09,090
looking at the article, I'll see
if I can get it online. It looks

1642
01:32:09,090 --> 01:32:12,360
like in the US, we get we're
pretty boneheaded right now,

1643
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:16,200
when it comes to just, you know,
setting out a couple strategies

1644
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:20,010
for the future, other than
invading other countries that

1645
01:32:20,010 --> 01:32:20,610
have oil?

1646
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:27,900
Well, that seems to work. Well,
right, good. harkens back to

1647
01:32:27,990 --> 01:32:31,170
confessions of the economic
hitman. Yeah,

1648
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:34,140
and let's just wrap it up, John,
because we're already pretty

1649
01:32:34,140 --> 01:32:40,350
long right here. I wanted to ask
you, both Obama and Clinton,

1650
01:32:41,370 --> 01:32:47,790
were quite clear that they would
bomb Iran. And why did why did

1651
01:32:47,790 --> 01:32:51,060
that come up again? I mean, can
you just explain to me what I'm

1652
01:32:51,060 --> 01:32:55,020
really afraid that that's going
to happen? And it just seems

1653
01:32:55,020 --> 01:32:57,210
like it's weird because now
we've got all of them talking

1654
01:32:57,210 --> 01:33:01,860
about it. We know McCain's done
a song about it. But now to have

1655
01:33:01,860 --> 01:33:05,070
all three potential candidates,
of course, we know it's going to

1656
01:33:05,070 --> 01:33:08,190
McCain. I mean, do you think
that could really happen? Could

1657
01:33:08,190 --> 01:33:09,840
we really bomb Iran? I mean,

1658
01:33:10,050 --> 01:33:14,850
I would doubt it by when they I
think maybe they just can't see

1659
01:33:14,850 --> 01:33:17,970
it happening. I mean, that's
real threat that you're going to

1660
01:33:17,970 --> 01:33:20,970
Hillary who's the you know, the
Get tough candidate all of a

1661
01:33:20,970 --> 01:33:28,410
sudden, she says that if if Iran
bombs, Israel, Iran, obliterate

1662
01:33:28,410 --> 01:33:29,850
them. And

1663
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:31,920
Israel do that all by
themselves? Don't they have

1664
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:33,690
nuclear capacity?

1665
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:35,640
They do. That's the point. They
could they you know, it's

1666
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:38,220
probably be unlikely. And so I
think the whole thing is sabre

1667
01:33:38,220 --> 01:33:41,010
rattling and probably just to
get to, I would think, maybe

1668
01:33:41,010 --> 01:33:41,400
suggest

1669
01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:43,830
that we're getting for them.
There's that word that sabre

1670
01:33:43,830 --> 01:33:46,770
rattling and that's to me that
that means like, there's code of

1671
01:33:46,770 --> 01:33:48,750
something I should be
understanding that I don't know.

1672
01:33:48,750 --> 01:33:53,100
I mean, what why are we Sabre
sabre rattling Iran? Why?

1673
01:33:53,580 --> 01:33:57,360
I don't know. Okay, probably one
of trying to understand, maybe

1674
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:00,330
to destabilise, maybe it's code
for some, I don't know to

1675
01:34:00,330 --> 01:34:03,690
destabilise the country or to
get I have no idea. And why is

1676
01:34:03,690 --> 01:34:06,690
it sabre rattling? Why isn't it
not pistol cocking or some other

1677
01:34:06,690 --> 01:34:07,470
cool word?

1678
01:34:08,310 --> 01:34:09,270
Well, sabre rattling is

1679
01:34:09,270 --> 01:34:11,910
the term. Can we make a new one?
I know can we make a new one?

1680
01:34:11,910 --> 01:34:12,750
Pistol cocking?

1681
01:34:13,530 --> 01:34:16,800
Pistol cocking it sounds it
sounds profane? is why I like to

1682
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:19,890
think. Yeah, I think sabre
rattling is a good one because

1683
01:34:19,890 --> 01:34:23,550
it is it harkens back to a
historical context, meaning that

1684
01:34:23,550 --> 01:34:26,940
people have done this for a long
time and it has some it has, you

1685
01:34:26,940 --> 01:34:31,830
know, large scale context. So it
you know, and it's also silly if

1686
01:34:31,830 --> 01:34:34,170
you think about it, can you if
you can imagine Hillary holding

1687
01:34:34,170 --> 01:34:38,610
up a sabre rattling first of
all, how does it sabre rattling

1688
01:34:39,030 --> 01:34:40,080
like a piece of crap

1689
01:34:44,100 --> 01:34:48,750
it's a shitty SAP you got there
Hill fuckers rattling I want to

1690
01:34:48,750 --> 01:34:55,230
check that out before you go up
against a Tehran that's funny.

1691
01:34:56,340 --> 01:34:58,050
Anyway, so no, I didn't know
where you were it'll

1692
01:34:58,260 --> 01:35:00,900
I guess they used to write all
the Sabres maybe Their scabbard.

1693
01:35:02,909 --> 01:35:05,519
Oh, you mean had just put your
hand down I think and shake it.

1694
01:35:05,669 --> 01:35:07,739
Yeah. Something like that
shouldn't be but there's usually

1695
01:35:07,739 --> 01:35:09,209
leather issues. So yeah.

1696
01:35:09,240 --> 01:35:12,960
didn't used to have jewels.
Maybe that's some like a couple

1697
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:17,250
of rubies in the shit and the
kick rope. Oh, my sabre.

1698
01:35:19,260 --> 01:35:21,960
Alright, hey, John, I think I
think we've had a pretty good,

1699
01:35:22,020 --> 01:35:24,510
pretty good day. I think this is
we should keep it at this.

1700
01:35:25,380 --> 01:35:27,780
All right, well, I'll be in
Korea next week. So I should

1701
01:35:27,780 --> 01:35:29,880
relax on Saturday to do the next
show.

1702
01:35:30,150 --> 01:35:33,870
Well, you just give me a jingle
whenever you're in. And you're

1703
01:35:33,870 --> 01:35:35,940
going to Korea for a conference.
I think it's not it.

1704
01:35:36,630 --> 01:35:40,170
It's a big summit and you know,
all kinds of hot shots are gonna

1705
01:35:40,170 --> 01:35:42,660
be there. The beacon interesting
I haven't been to Korea for a

1706
01:35:42,660 --> 01:35:44,970
while I like it's a nice
country. And I think I'll be

1707
01:35:44,970 --> 01:35:48,090
sitting on a 30 megabit per
second line so I can make phone

1708
01:35:48,090 --> 01:35:49,350
calls. We'd

1709
01:35:49,350 --> 01:35:50,820
and what are you going to eat?
What are you going to be looking

1710
01:35:50,820 --> 01:35:51,330
out for?

1711
01:35:54,810 --> 01:35:57,210
We got some good shirt shops
there and a couple of tailors

1712
01:35:57,210 --> 01:35:57,780
that are pretty.

1713
01:35:58,049 --> 01:35:59,909
Yeah, that might not be so
tasty, though.

1714
01:36:01,500 --> 01:36:05,580
Oh, you mean to eat? Yes.
Kimchi. Of course. Why? There's

1715
01:36:05,580 --> 01:36:08,130
a lot of good food. They have a
kimchi is that pickled cabbage

1716
01:36:08,130 --> 01:36:11,700
of hot pickled cabbage from
Korea but no, there's a lot of

1717
01:36:11,700 --> 01:36:16,050
good food in Korea. They have a
it's a it's a it's a nice

1718
01:36:16,050 --> 01:36:19,830
cuisine. It's very tasty. Lots
of little dinky things you have.

1719
01:36:20,190 --> 01:36:22,410
You'd have like your whatever
the meat or whatever, as you're

1720
01:36:22,410 --> 01:36:26,160
eating as a million little bitty
dishes with all kinds of strange

1721
01:36:26,160 --> 01:36:26,730
pickles.

1722
01:36:28,380 --> 01:36:33,300
Can't wait to hear all about it.
But you will. Coming to you from

1723
01:36:33,300 --> 01:36:36,450
the United Kingdom where we make
up words all the time. I'm Adam

1724
01:36:36,450 --> 01:36:36,870
curry.

1725
01:36:37,440 --> 01:36:39,990
And I am John C. Dvorak here in
Northern California.

1726
01:36:40,020 --> 01:36:42,960
We'll talk again next week right
here on no agenda.