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Okay, everybody wants again.
It's time for the programme that

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emanates from two different
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have no music. We have no
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We have no seemingly value of
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Coming to you from a soon to be
snow blanketed United Kingdom,

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I'm Adam curry.

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And in sunny Northern
California, I'm John C. Dvorak.

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John, how you doing today?

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Now, what was that sentence
again? Seemingly?

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I don't know. I was talking out
of my ass. I just tried to

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that's the only thing I tried to
mix up. But I never righted. You

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know, I have no agenda. So I
don't write it up. I try and

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make it up. I know, it's suck. I
should write it. Well, what

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was the what's the snow thing?
Were you talking about as April?

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Yeah, there's this the wind
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there's you can you can even
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the cloud layer, which is
fantastic to look at, is coming

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down directly from the north
from Scandinavia. And just like

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a low pressure system just blew
me it dropped about an hour ago,

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the temperature went from 15
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and and hail started forming.
And so it should be snowing

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within the next five hours or
so. Oh, nice. That's crazy.

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Nice.

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Well, you know, I understand is
largely due to the fact that Al

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Gore came out of his hole and
saw his own shadow.

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I'm telling you, man, we've had
weather I mean, global warming,

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how can you buy it? When does it
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to be happening now. It's it's
only gotten cold,

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April. Climate change, not good.
Really global warming, depending

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on who you talk to. So I just,
you know, there was a report

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that was reported I think Nature
magazine some guy wrote an

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editorial saying that they did
agree do they keep redoing the

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calculations this year? There's
no way no matter what we do we

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can't stop influenced the
climate so much as they say.

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It's just a cycle.

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Yeah, it goes up it goes down.
It's the earth is built. Well,

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let's not even get into this
because I don't want to deal

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with the email. There's some
some things we say man on the

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show that just generates so much
email. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.

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When religion also I got one for
you. Thursday night. Now this

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was the evening I was invited to
a dinner at this play. It's a

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it's a private club called Five
Cavendish square. Have you ever

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heard of this? No. Okay. So go
Cavendish square, you know, it's

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a very nice address. And there's
this Sicilian guy, young guy

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like my age a little bit older
than I am just a few years and

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he's turned this you know, this
beautiful you know, London house

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into a private club. I think
private primary market is like,

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Well Rich fuckers to start off
with, but, you know, maybe maybe

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football players or, you know,
extremely wealthy businessmen

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and you it's one of these places
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they've got like 15 hotel rooms
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private you know, club like
disco like dance club. They've

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got function rooms are really
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expensive art, you know, great
food Italian chef, also from

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Sicily, by the way. And you
know, the wine menu can this of

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course, is what it's leading up
to. So the wine menu, you open

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the front page, John's like,
cheapest wine on the front page.

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2000 pounds. I'm like, Okay. I
don't feel like well, I was

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exactly I wasn't in the right
company for that. But the owner

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actually joined us after dinner
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says, you know, what do you guys
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mates had chosen a wine. I know.
It wasn't hugely expensive, but

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it was okay. And he said, let me
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This stuff is just awesome, he
says and indeed. It was

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fantastic. I want to see if you
knew what it was because it

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doesn't look terribly expensive.
To be quite honest. He gave me a

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couple bottles to take home
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Italian it's a 2004 Amarone I've
ever heard of this.

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Am aronia Moroni Yeah. Have you
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had that one. I find that
wanting to be a slightly for my

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taste. It's not a real it's not
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be popular in like the 50s or
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it's a slightly sweet

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it has like it has like a sweet
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it. You know what I mean?

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Yeah, no, it's a sweet wine from
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is quite high usually. Well,

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that's the other point I wanted
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overserved that evening.

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So I should say the alcohol
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but as they run 15% Sometimes
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you kidding me? Really? Let me
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Italian. Oh, here we go. 16%
Yeah, you're right.

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Yeah. Doesn't surprise me. So
it's not a favourite of mine.

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Let's put it that way.

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I liked it. But it's it can't be
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Okay, it can be it. No, it can
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expense. I mean, the range goes
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expensive. Like there. There are
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extremely expensive. But it
could cost you know, he I've

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seen him for, I think typical
one you'd probably pay about in

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the US you'd pay 35 bucks for
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of expensive for what you get.

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I liked it though. I thought it
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good. Yeah, well, yeah,
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times the, I find it with wine
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that often the situation, that
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a lot of other variables
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overall your overall impression
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If you're sitting there with a
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paying for it, it makes it taste
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It tastes a lot better. And I
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people like, I mean, I've tested
this over the years are actually

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people. And I'm not gonna go
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are people who are I don't care
what I could pull out what

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rabbit I can pull out of a hat.
The wine never tasted good with

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It does happen, doesn't it?

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Hey, how about I'm coming out to
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Tuesday night? Sounds okay.
Yeah, cuz I think I think I come

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out Tuesday afternoon. And then
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the red eye to New York or or
Ron MINECO, Wednesday and

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MINECO. Thursday. We have a
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some stuff on Friday together in
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back to the UK. So either but
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because I don't have to think
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dinner.

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Yeah, and actually, the
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Tuesday standard, like people
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you know, on Sunday and Monday,
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restaurants are closed the good
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A lot of sweet Yeah, you'll find
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Sunday. And and then the thing
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restaurant that's tends to stay
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Monday, which is really
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people out there who need to get
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ventured reintroduced frogs legs
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we should have some frogs. These
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they, but all the chefs tend to
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chefs that are in the
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quite interesting. You always
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So any idea where we can go

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look around and see what's going
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and trendy. Check it out.

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All right. Our first comment
John is 23 seconds long and very

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important to play at the top of
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Hey, Adam, are II the latest? No
agenda. I gotta agree with

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DeVore echo on the latest
television offerings, especially

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here in the US. It's all crap.
Regardless of how successful

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some people might be making the
crap. It's still crap. Give me

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something cultural. Give me
something. Current events give

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me something dramatic and
interesting. Dvorak wins. Sorry.

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That's right. You were supposed
to come on this weekend. Defend

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yourself. Yeah.

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My rebuttal. My rebuttal. Well,
first of all, there's a couple

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important things that people
have to realise about this

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programme, because I went back
and listened to it, and, and

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kind of listened how I ground
myself into the ground. You

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know, like in third gear, you
have to understand that this

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show is typically we, we
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me right now, it's 530 is the
end of the day. You know, I've

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been dinking around about doing
stuff, you know, and for you,

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you just got up so there's I
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makes this show work is that you
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frame of mind than you are for
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makes a difference, but could be
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why I just collapsed, I just
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know what to do now.

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Well, actually, you know, I
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came to the following
conclusion. You had warmed up to

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the entire idea of junk
television programme because

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your wife is working on a junk
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which is one of those reality
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has got to be great, a great
job. And you just because it's

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like money in your pocket. You
being a company man, as it were,

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you just basically sold out and
we're proud of it. But without

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thinking that's my years. In
other words, if I I was like,

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working for Standard Oil. And I
just got a huge raise and I'm,

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you know, then said something
about oil companies come up and

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it turns out that they're under
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probably be defending them to no
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the nature of things. That's my
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Okay. I don't think you're
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my wife working on that show,
reinforced my thinking. Now I

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went back and understand that I
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television. What I said was I
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there's an element of human
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didn't say say it in exactly
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about a certain type of reality
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look at by the way, Deal or No
Deal is the one that came to the

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top of the of the phone there.

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Well, no deal on do you brought
up Deal or No Deal? And that is

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not one of the shows that I
like? You said you did? Yeah, I

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was wrong. And because I had
time, I had time, it's time to

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think about it. And seriously,
listen to me for a second. First

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of all, television, John, and
you made a lot of TV I think I

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probably in hours end to end
have have made more than you

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have. Particular particularly
the the MTV days. It is in its

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in its bases. Television is an
untruthful media. Okay, it

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everything. Particularly when we
start to get editing and digital

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video editing. There's almost no
truth to anything. It's all pre

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programmed, it's all thought
about, I mean, MTV, for Christ's

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sakes invented the jump cut,
which was for Bolton, literally

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until until I started happening
in in the early 80s. Because,

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you know, every technical move
every zoom every, every cut from

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an interior and exterior, just
like movie, right? It's

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untruthful, even the news, you
know, and it's put together. So

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the only types of television
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deliver some truth are usually
live programming, which you

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don't have a lot of, but like a
sports, sports is a great

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example. There's not much you
can do with the switching of the

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cameras, and they have tonnes of
cameras on these types of games,

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there's not a lot you can do
that will change what's really

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happening, you know, you kind of
see it, you may not see it from

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the best possible angle, but you
can see if the ball went in the

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goal, or if it got, you know, or
if the or if there was a strike

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or whatever it is you it's a
it's an end to end sequence that

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all runs in parallel. And that's
pretty, it's pretty truthful.

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portrayal of what's happening.
What you're watching is, it's

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truthful, it's more truthful
than anything else, let's put it

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that way. So the only thing
that's and I've made so much

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television is all, all of its
been full of shit, all of it,

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it's all meant to trick you into
liking and entertainment based

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products now into reality
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50 fold maybe 5000 times. And if
you look at programmes like

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HoloLens got talent, and I you
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tapings. And when I look at the
playback of the show, when I see

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how it's been put together, it
is completely every single bit

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of it has been moved around
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dramatic music, even some of the
answers although the outcome

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didn't change what the judges
said about an act, they cut a

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different answer into into one
act that was used for for a

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different acts. All of this is
it's complete bullshit. In fact,

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I'm convinced I've done this, I
can take a tape one of your home

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movies, you just send to random
the random home round, you know,

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I'm getting that I'm getting
there. I'm getting there. Let me

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let me just go all the way to
the end. So I could take your

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home movies and with editing,
sound effects, music and

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voiceover I can create a
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dramatic, it could be funny,
whatever. But well, here's what

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I like about about particularly
these contests, I'm talking

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about X Factor, idol, Got
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other examples is the one thing
that television cannot fake can

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provoke, but cannot fake is
extreme human emotion of joy, or

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sorrow. And these and that's
what these shows are built

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around. They're built around
with pure honesty. So you have a

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judge who will say something
completely honestly, the judge

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is not making up what they feel
at that moment. And it will

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either make you extremely happy
or destroy you and that one

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little moment that one piece of
human emotion The Best Of course

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is in the finals when you have a
winner and a loser but just like

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sports, when when a guy scores a
goal, that human emotion is is

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something that you cannot make
up with television and that's

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the part that really I love. I
will sit down and watch an

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entire show you Just to get the
kick of seeing that, and you

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have to say, unfortunately,
usually when someone's extremely

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sad or getting cut down is when
I like it the most. And that's

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what I like about this.

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Well, you know, I mean, you
might as well just go to the

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grocery store and step on
someone's foot and see what

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happens.

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Oh, man, I thought a whole week
and that's what I get from you.

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Thanks.

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So, you know, this, this show,
the thing that I wanted to

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interrupt you for which you
wouldn't have truly changed your

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train of thought which I you
know, okay, fine. I'm not gonna

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argue about it. I think that one
of the things is they choose

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people because they've been
doing on game shows for years

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that are you know, they test
people to make sure they are

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emotional, jump up and down. And
you know, these contestants, and

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they won't take somebody who's
who's nonplussed? Or who's you

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know, just not gonna go? Or
anything? Like, correct,

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correct. And so, so there's a
certain rigging involved there,

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too, which I think is
deplorable.

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Well, but not but not in the
talent contest genre? Not

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entirely, they don't know that
the way they do on game shows.

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That's different. Okay,

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fine, I'll accept that. But
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to mention, which when you were
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was, you know, they changed the
certain dodo edit stuff around

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so it's not what really happened
is my favourite absolute

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favourite thing, which is always
I don't understand how the Oh ik

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to be honest about it. When I
see it, I just get just

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seriously annoyed. You have a
live performance of some sort,

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or even one of these idols shows
for a comic, and they show

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somebody doing something. And
then the guy says something

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funny, and they cut immediately
to an audience member who was

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dying of laughter. Oh,

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that's all fake. It's all fake.
It's all from a different

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audience.

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Yeah, they take a bunch of
random audience shots, and then

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they cut them in later, because
there's no way you could have

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the intimate that what kind of
coincidence, are we talking to

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John,

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John, John, that's just the
visual version of the laugh

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track, which is still used every
single day. It's this just a

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visual version of it, nothing
new. That's digital video

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editing gave us that.

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And the other thing I wanted to
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these these kinds of talent
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of them ever give a nod to the
original. There's actually there

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it goes back to radio with Ted
Max amateur hour. And then there

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was the amateur hour show on
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And my parents used to talk
about that when they used to

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talk they would say that's
really amateur hour is what I

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would say.

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Right, which is what all these
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they're all They're all
dependent on that model from

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some years ago. And then you
know, of course, the one that

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mocked it the best and I still
think one of the greatest shows

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of this genre was The Gong Show,
which is actually he's had the

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same crackpot talent and but
they had this Gong element where

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you could Gong the person,

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by the way, that's the same in
Hollins Got Talent each judge

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has a big red button in front of
them and when they hit it then

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it doesn't do a gong but it
gives them an explosion type

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shot sound and then when all
three hit it then the Act has to

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stop so it's essentially the
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So anyway, but I find you know
these shows to be rather I have

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to I'm having more trouble
watching television now than

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ever before. But

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John John I don't watch
television distinct. I mean I'm

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not a big television watcher but
when I do watch I love I have to

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tell you I really really love it
and you know other stuff I can

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get online you know, the
documentary stuff, I'll get the

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good ones from you and have to
sit through all the other crap.

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So it reminds me yeah, I gotta
get in. Okay, got a couple more

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for you. I love it. I love it.
Hey, let me ask you a question.

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With all with all the smart
computing power we have and all

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all the smart brains that are
making software these days. Why

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is it that my calendar my
schedules are still fucked up

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from America changing to
daylight savings time two weeks

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earlier than the rest of the
world it really messed up a lot

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of things

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Yeah, no in fact my I still have
one computer that will not no

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matter how updated it is will
not give me the correct time.

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I mean, we have really smart
professional women working for

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us to do a lot of our scheduling
I you know, you know Maggie, you

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know Rosie, I don't know if you
know Carrie or not, but they all

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work together and they use
Google Calendar mainly but

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there's some offshoots but it's
all kind of linked together. You

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know, Ron I think uses outlook
and Maggie has control over that

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but invites are generally sent
out you know, as an invite and

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they all those all work those
calendar invites so if I you

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know I can get one from
Microsoft Outlook and I can just

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accept it and it'll pop right
into my calendar but usually

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carry does that for me so
there's I only want one person

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if possible, do my calendar. But
there's all these meetings that

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got set up and every one was off
everyone was fine our one way or

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the other either I mine was
messed up or someone else's it's

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it's, I think in this day and
age it's inexcusable.

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I you know, I don't know what to
tell you. I mean, it's just

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amazing to me that the some of
this stuff is goes on the way it

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does. I mean, just to take it to
a more of a micro level, how

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come these clocks don't keep
accurate time, we have a

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computer for God's sake, and a
clot and there's a clock chip

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with a crystal in it. And these
things, these things have creep,

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they've over over. Like, if you
run your little clock within

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Windows, the time will change by
a couple of minutes over the

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month really makes no sense to
me. And yet Yeah, and so you

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have to keep resetting it or I
use what I use the time of the

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time server, I use a time server
to I use atomic clock, right.

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But every every time you boot,
it resets the clock. But if you

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take that thing offline and give
it a month, it's the clock will

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be off by it. You know, 234
minutes is unbelievable. I mean,

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what is the problem I've

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seen what I've seen this being a
problem, it has to do literally

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with the accuracy. This is what
I've been told the accuracy of

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the clock of the computer's own
clock. That's very simplistic I

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know. But as an example,
something a lot of podcasters do

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is they'll do what we call a
double ender. So they'll talk on

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Skype, but then they'll each
record their individual file,

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we've actually discussed doing
it this way. But when you say

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then the other party who are one
of the parties sends his file to

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the other person. And then the
thinking is you just line them

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up in a programme like Audacity
or GarageBand, or something else

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that is multitrack. And they can
just set the levels. And then

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you know, you mix it out, and
you're good to go. But it turns

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out that over time in about 70
to 80% of the cases that you do

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this, they will be out of sync.
And one file will literally be

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longer or shorter than the other
one because of the computer's

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internal clock mechanism. This
is what I've been told I've seen

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the out of sync happen. I've
been told that's what the

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problem is. And it just has to
do with inaccuracy of the

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internal clock.

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Well, it's possible, but all I
know is that if that's the case,

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then it's even more ridiculous.
I mean, what does it take to

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make the truck accurate is just
a crystal.

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I don't know I

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maybe one of our listeners will
send a note and we're getting a

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lot of listeners from all over
the world that are sending in

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all kinds of interesting notes
about you know what we're trying

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to make a request.

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And our numbers are I can't I
haven't seen the last three days

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worth because limelights logs
messed up but our numbers have

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yet again increased. It's really
I think we're hockey sticking

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could be what sometimes you get
these word effects. So talking

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about one of our standard we
haven't talked about this for a

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while. So as I mentioned before,
I've been drinking the PG Tips

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gold exclusively. And so they
recently locally for some

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reason, the one of the big
distributors had way too much of

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PG Tips in the big 160 boxes,
160 bags, and then we're getting

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near expiration, like in the
next few months. So they dumped

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it on the market at $5.95 for a
big box of this stuff. Wow. It's

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a good price. I mean, I can
Yeah, it's a good price. And so

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how am I can average it so I
bought a big box. And so I

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started to you know, figure out
better ploughs through this

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stuff because gonna expire. And
I can now say for certain that

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the taste profile of the regular
versus the gold is extremely

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different. Yeah, for anyone out
there.

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I would agree. I would agree.
It's different. Do you like it

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better I presume

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you know what, I can't say I
like one over the other that

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much I do. It took me actually a
few bags of the old fashioned

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stuff to get used to it again
because it has a green

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tasteless, literal vegetal green
flavour that is a little taste a

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little stronger. This is a
smoother milder drink

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even the the non gold is a
little greener text. Is that

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what you're saying?

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Yeah, yeah, it has a little it
has a little bit of a weedy

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flavour.

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I would call it earthy is

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kind of Yeah, so he's good.
Yeah.

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Hey, I forgot one thing as a
part of my rebuttal, man, I

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forgot the most important bit.
Speaking of honesty, you need to

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apologise

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Yeah, I told me forget Yeah,
last week. You have this no

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agendas the theory here that
means we're not supposed to

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really come on with a lot you
know, I do make you know lists

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of may be topics. But last week
I had what was the topic again?

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It was about the Fresh and Easy
supermarkets.

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All right, I had a I got on a
Jag about these fresh and easy

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supermarkets. And so I sent Adam
a bunch of links to for him to

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study and he did and I read too
much material so it was actually

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a plant you know, I had so it
was there wasn't an agenda was

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made a bitch and moan about
this. So I and it didn't work,

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did it? It didn't work. No
didn't work because you were

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over prepared. And which is
typical. By the way, this is one

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of the things I always like to
You know, in broadcasting,

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there's, I think I mentioned
this before, there's two schools

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of thought about when you get a
guest use you either pre

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00:25:06,660 --> 00:25:12,030
interview them or you don't. And
when you sometimes over prepare

438
00:25:12,210 --> 00:25:13,320
a lot of the life

439
00:25:14,670 --> 00:25:17,640
what happens is you'll have a
pre conference and I'm of the,

440
00:25:17,910 --> 00:25:21,720
don't even talk to me until the
microphones Open School. What'll

441
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,090
happen is you'll actually say
something. Sometimes the worst

442
00:25:24,090 --> 00:25:27,360
is when you're on the air, you
break for a song or commercial,

443
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:29,610
and then you're talking to the
guest, and then something really

444
00:25:29,610 --> 00:25:32,040
amazing comes out. And then
you'll immediately of course,

445
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,070
try to reproduce that in the
next segment. And it's never as

446
00:25:35,070 --> 00:25:38,400
well told it's never as funny if
it was intended to be it never

447
00:25:38,430 --> 00:25:41,910
ever works. So I tell my guests.
Sorry, just don't talk to me.

448
00:25:43,559 --> 00:25:46,799
Yeah, I actually have to do
that. And cranky geeks. Because

449
00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:49,349
we take these to break two or
three breaks and and then all of

450
00:25:49,349 --> 00:25:52,289
a sudden, someone will get on a
on some they'll start talking in

451
00:25:52,289 --> 00:25:55,409
between, and I have to really
scold them to tell them not to

452
00:25:55,919 --> 00:25:58,229
not bring it up. That is for it.
They were doing the show for the

453
00:25:58,229 --> 00:26:01,679
audience, not for them to buddy
up with somebody. They can talk

454
00:26:01,679 --> 00:26:02,189
later.

455
00:26:02,220 --> 00:26:04,620
Speaking of which, did you
actually find out where Veronica

456
00:26:04,620 --> 00:26:10,140
is going? I saw your video. No,
no,

457
00:26:11,250 --> 00:26:13,890
no, I want to point out that
video, which is under the Dvorak

458
00:26:13,890 --> 00:26:20,610
uncensored spot on YouTube. I
want to point that video was

459
00:26:20,610 --> 00:26:25,770
done with a little bitty dinky
dinky little Kodak because Kodak

460
00:26:26,010 --> 00:26:29,160
has these microphones in their
cameras that is just amazing to

461
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,990
use to make these kind of
slipshod videos. And I don't

462
00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:36,390
know what to tell you. But I
every time I listen to it just

463
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:38,040
sounded good. Didn't it's
fantastic.

464
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,770
Yeah, no, no, I've been using
the Have you seen the flip

465
00:26:40,770 --> 00:26:43,200
phone? Have you seen one of
those flip phone? The Flip

466
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,500
camera? Yeah, I've seen those.
I've been using that one. It's

467
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,330
astounding how good it is.

468
00:26:49,020 --> 00:26:52,290
Yeah, you can get really good
qual. I mean, this for little

469
00:26:52,290 --> 00:26:54,210
flash videos. I mean, obviously
I don't you know, although, you

470
00:26:54,210 --> 00:26:57,330
know, Kodak has one I've been
playing with which gives a 720

471
00:26:57,330 --> 00:27:02,970
p, HD 16 by nine movie Holy
Christ. And, and it which is

472
00:27:02,970 --> 00:27:05,130
pretty amazing, especially when
you put it up on a big

473
00:27:05,130 --> 00:27:09,240
projector. And so I mean, it's
interesting that you know that.

474
00:27:09,390 --> 00:27:13,080
So I think it was like about
three or four months or four,

475
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:19,710
maybe four months ago, I was at
an Iowa, a digital television

476
00:27:19,710 --> 00:27:22,890
conference that's put on by the
public stations there. But they

477
00:27:22,890 --> 00:27:25,230
had all these people from all
over the country talking about

478
00:27:25,230 --> 00:27:28,890
digital TV. And they had the
guys from frontline there. And

479
00:27:28,890 --> 00:27:31,140
they were talking about how
their how they moved to digital.

480
00:27:31,140 --> 00:27:34,560
And then they made the comment
that you know, the guys who are

481
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,810
cameraman actually, you really
have to actually have more

482
00:27:36,810 --> 00:27:40,560
talent to get these digital
cameras to work, right? Because

483
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,140
of the colour balancing issues
and all these other problems

484
00:27:43,140 --> 00:27:46,170
that you have. So you can't for
broadcast television, you have

485
00:27:46,170 --> 00:27:50,040
to have a consistent look. Yeah.
But I showed him one of these

486
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,950
cameras. I showed him in fact,
this one Kodak that has a 16 by

487
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:58,560
nine 720 p HD recording
capability in stereo mics. And

488
00:27:58,590 --> 00:28:01,230
one of the producers told me
Yeah, he says that that's kinda

489
00:28:01,230 --> 00:28:05,250
like the cat a lot of the times
are using cameras like that now

490
00:28:05,460 --> 00:28:08,820
to produce some of these
because, because apparently,

491
00:28:08,820 --> 00:28:11,640
when you're like in Afghanistan
or something, and you pull it

492
00:28:11,670 --> 00:28:13,950
out, I've noticed this too. By
the way, if you have one of

493
00:28:13,950 --> 00:28:16,410
these little bitty cameras that
looks like a little snapshot

494
00:28:16,410 --> 00:28:18,690
camera, worthless little
snapshot, then they don't treat

495
00:28:18,690 --> 00:28:22,200
you as press. They don't treat
you as press and they don't see

496
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,630
a big camera shoved in their
face, they see you holding a

497
00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:27,270
stupid little thing. It looks
Mickey Mouse, it's not

498
00:28:27,270 --> 00:28:30,600
threatening. In fact, it's non
threatening, and it and it does

499
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,930
the job. And they're at now I
didn't but I didn't realise that

500
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,380
the network guys the big boys
are doing are using these things

501
00:28:37,380 --> 00:28:38,550
to I've

502
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:43,409
made. I've made quite a study of
this. Whenever I whenever I used

503
00:28:43,409 --> 00:28:45,869
to interview someone, I would
always say could you please mic

504
00:28:45,869 --> 00:28:50,339
us both just with a lavalier mic
because the whole idea of a

505
00:28:50,339 --> 00:28:53,759
stick mic and then talking into
it and then shoving it in

506
00:28:53,759 --> 00:28:56,489
someone's face? It just gives
you a different result.

507
00:28:58,020 --> 00:29:02,520
Yeah, no, I think so. The
methodology actually affects you

508
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,460
know, it's like a McLuhan thing
you're the medium is the message

509
00:29:05,850 --> 00:29:11,430
the the the actual methodology
will affect the outcome in a

510
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:15,030
kind of unknown ways and you you
don't know what you would have

511
00:29:15,030 --> 00:29:17,010
got if you if you've done it
differently.

512
00:29:17,970 --> 00:29:20,910
Well, I've only seen by by my
own experience it is most

513
00:29:20,910 --> 00:29:25,260
definitely different when you're
using a you know the what do

514
00:29:25,260 --> 00:29:27,630
they call it the spooning
technique or whatever

515
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,620
when you're when you have that
yeah when you have any yeah

516
00:29:31,679 --> 00:29:34,559
oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, it's just
night and day difference it's

517
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,630
also unnerving me because some
of these guys you'll have a

518
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:39,420
little crew and they got you
some they'll do it from the gym.

519
00:29:39,420 --> 00:29:42,120
Oh shoot from below and so you
got a guy on his hands and knees

520
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,970
than standing outside of the
shot. You got a sound guy up

521
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,810
here it's yeah, it's ridiculous.
Especially if there's if you're

522
00:29:48,810 --> 00:29:52,860
out in the middle of nowhere. If
you're in the public arena, and

523
00:29:52,860 --> 00:29:55,560
people are walking by seeing
this they think of what's

524
00:29:55,559 --> 00:29:59,039
going on what's happening.
What's happening. Yeah. Oh man,

525
00:29:59,069 --> 00:30:03,659
I got another A terminal five
story you'll love this one. So,

526
00:30:04,139 --> 00:30:07,019
last week, it was all messed up,
it's still messed up at Terminal

527
00:30:07,019 --> 00:30:11,009
five with the baggage. This is
the new one that be well now

528
00:30:11,009 --> 00:30:13,799
that now the now British Airways
who have the use of the terminal

529
00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:16,949
exclusively are saying that the
automatic baggage system has now

530
00:30:16,949 --> 00:30:20,249
failed them. So first it was
their resource planning. Now

531
00:30:20,249 --> 00:30:22,679
it's the bag that I mean, they,
they just never really tested

532
00:30:22,679 --> 00:30:25,349
this, you know, even I could
have said, why don't you take

533
00:30:26,909 --> 00:30:31,289
you know, 5000 bags of bricks,
and try the fucking system out.

534
00:30:31,319 --> 00:30:34,199
You know, it doesn't seem like
they did that. But here's what

535
00:30:34,199 --> 00:30:38,039
happens. I'm sure you read this
because it's two great stories

536
00:30:38,039 --> 00:30:44,129
in one. Naomi Campbell the
supermodel. She right she so she

537
00:30:44,129 --> 00:30:47,459
arrived well on time. Of course,
she had a whole shitload of

538
00:30:48,239 --> 00:30:52,259
clothes. And the story now,
which I think is probably spin a

539
00:30:52,259 --> 00:30:55,649
story now is that she had one
super big case that was filled

540
00:30:55,649 --> 00:30:58,379
with sponsored clothes, which
she has to wear by contract

541
00:30:58,379 --> 00:31:01,469
wherever she goes. But when she
was on the plane, they came on

542
00:31:01,469 --> 00:31:03,809
the plane and, and they said,
Well, you know, Miss Campbell,

543
00:31:03,809 --> 00:31:06,149
we're really sorry. But you
know, one of your one of your

544
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:09,269
suitcases isn't going to make it
on the flight. Because it's

545
00:31:09,269 --> 00:31:11,879
messed up. And well, she wound
up of course, throwing a hissy

546
00:31:11,879 --> 00:31:14,939
fit and getting arrested. But I
just thought it was kind of

547
00:31:14,939 --> 00:31:18,599
interesting that it's still a
week later. And after someone

548
00:31:18,599 --> 00:31:20,909
knows he hears a case of you
know, someone who you you

549
00:31:20,909 --> 00:31:23,279
already know, you don't want to
piss off Naomi Campbell. So you

550
00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:25,979
should really try and get her
suitcases onboard. I think

551
00:31:26,099 --> 00:31:30,329
certainly as a paying first
class passenger. And they're not

552
00:31:30,329 --> 00:31:33,179
even capable of doing that. I
think this this problem may be a

553
00:31:33,179 --> 00:31:35,939
little deeper than than they're
letting on. If it's taken them

554
00:31:35,939 --> 00:31:39,659
this long, they cancelled
another 12 flights today. short

555
00:31:39,659 --> 00:31:40,919
haul because they couldn't wait.

556
00:31:41,970 --> 00:31:44,310
This is not the first time
something like this has happened

557
00:31:44,340 --> 00:31:46,110
Denver International when it was

558
00:31:46,380 --> 00:31:49,050
that was all technical, right.
That was from day one. They

559
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,570
there was the skis wasn't it?
They hadn't they hadn't figured

560
00:31:51,570 --> 00:31:53,700
out how the skis would work on
the automatic system.

561
00:31:55,410 --> 00:31:57,960
Well, I'm not sure that that was
the only thing because most of

562
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,170
the reports we're getting here
in San Francisco where they like

563
00:32:01,170 --> 00:32:07,020
to ridicule these things was was
was bad baggage mangling. There

564
00:32:07,020 --> 00:32:09,660
would be one show after another
with a guy that microphones and

565
00:32:09,660 --> 00:32:12,900
it showed the bag and the bag
like coming out or some sort of

566
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,540
farming gear or something.

567
00:32:17,309 --> 00:32:22,499
Yeah. It's just amazing. Just
amazing. And everyone's so

568
00:32:22,499 --> 00:32:26,519
embarrassed by it too, you know?
And then for years, man, we've

569
00:32:26,519 --> 00:32:28,019
got the Olympics happening here.

570
00:32:29,250 --> 00:32:31,770
Well, you know, the funny thing
is they built a new airport in

571
00:32:31,770 --> 00:32:35,670
Beijing that's bigger than all
those terminals at Heathrow and

572
00:32:35,670 --> 00:32:38,670
they did the whole thing within
this period of time. It took

573
00:32:38,670 --> 00:32:43,770
them to get terminal five
finished. And it from the sounds

574
00:32:43,770 --> 00:32:46,140
and looks of it. The thing is
amazing events and a lot of

575
00:32:46,140 --> 00:32:49,980
specials on TV showing this new,
this new terminal, it's huge.

576
00:32:50,790 --> 00:32:56,880
It's something like two miles
long. You know, I went to

577
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,030
Beijing the first time before
they, you know, they, they were

578
00:33:00,030 --> 00:33:02,430
working on an airport then I
think it's like the third

579
00:33:02,430 --> 00:33:04,560
airport. If I go to this
airport, I'll be the third

580
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,810
different airport. I've been in
that, you know, they're in

581
00:33:06,810 --> 00:33:10,020
Beijing. The first time I went
to Beijing, I went to the old

582
00:33:10,020 --> 00:33:13,530
airport, the old communist
airport, and it was a nightmare

583
00:33:13,620 --> 00:33:17,550
especially trying to get out of
the place I mean to get through

584
00:33:17,550 --> 00:33:19,980
these bottlenecks of you know
where they had the joy the head

585
00:33:19,980 --> 00:33:23,130
passport checks, there was no
lines and organisation so you

586
00:33:23,130 --> 00:33:26,670
had to kind of muscle your way
in this kind of pays off to be a

587
00:33:26,670 --> 00:33:30,570
little bigger than usual. And to
get just get in there and in

588
00:33:30,570 --> 00:33:34,530
fact I had this experience and I
was in Saigon and the Vietnamese

589
00:33:34,530 --> 00:33:38,370
the airport in Saigon is is
still easy it was even worse it

590
00:33:38,370 --> 00:33:42,090
was some old it looks like it
doesn't look like an airport one

591
00:33:42,090 --> 00:33:43,920
of the few airports you've ever
seen it doesn't look like it

592
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,460
looks like it's just it's just a
big square horrible looking

593
00:33:47,460 --> 00:33:54,360
building thick Stalin type of
architecture and there's there's

594
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,780
no signage which is the really
kills me oh really in the

595
00:33:57,780 --> 00:33:59,010
airport there's no arrows

596
00:33:59,580 --> 00:34:02,160
or what you're saying it's like
a casino there isn't there's no

597
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:02,880
exit sign

598
00:34:03,930 --> 00:34:06,660
well there's no any signs and
it's not as quite as nice as a

599
00:34:06,660 --> 00:34:10,830
casino so anyways you go in
there but the thing was weird

600
00:34:10,830 --> 00:34:13,140
they had all these guards at all
the doors there's old people

601
00:34:13,140 --> 00:34:16,260
crowded around just to get into
the airport but if you were like

602
00:34:16,260 --> 00:34:19,860
a tall you know Caucasian you
know they kind of almost you

603
00:34:19,860 --> 00:34:23,490
know they which is kind of a
reverse racism there they kind

604
00:34:23,490 --> 00:34:26,580
of like got you in but once you
got into the place that you know

605
00:34:26,580 --> 00:34:29,730
trying to get out of town right
so you go in there and there's

606
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,370
you there's nothing to tell you
though it's not like a big

607
00:34:32,370 --> 00:34:35,940
United sign or I think I was
flying on a I'm not sure what

608
00:34:35,940 --> 00:34:39,450
airline I think Eva but anyway
there you go you actually

609
00:34:39,450 --> 00:34:44,370
literally had to go from one one
of the you know one of those

610
00:34:44,370 --> 00:34:47,340
things where you check in
ticketing thing you have to go

611
00:34:47,340 --> 00:34:50,130
from one to another and go right
up to the to the counter and

612
00:34:50,130 --> 00:34:53,220
look at the screen to see what
airline and

613
00:34:53,670 --> 00:34:56,520
right so everyone is crowded
around people checking in trying

614
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,220
to see the screens and the
nightmare well, but it's

615
00:34:59,220 --> 00:35:01,650
each individual cuz there's not
like there's there wasn't a

616
00:35:01,650 --> 00:35:04,710
centrally located screen, you
know, like most airports have

617
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:07,620
where you can just you can look
down to either the time or the

618
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,080
where you're going and figure
out where there was none of that

619
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,330
you had to go from one to the
other the other day, till you

620
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,150
finally finally found one that
was for this air carrier. And

621
00:35:15,150 --> 00:35:18,300
then I, I just asked them, and I
finally found my way out of

622
00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:21,330
there. But I thought that was
pretty bad. Now, since we're on

623
00:35:21,330 --> 00:35:24,480
the topic, or I brought the
topic up of airline terminals,

624
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:29,400
my all time favourite, horrible
airline terminal. And I'm not

625
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,260
sure if this has been improved
at all, because I haven't been

626
00:35:31,260 --> 00:35:35,130
there since the fall of
communism But Moscow. I've been

627
00:35:35,130 --> 00:35:38,250
in Moscow, I've been to Moscow,
Moscow, you go into this

628
00:35:38,250 --> 00:35:42,600
airport, which was I think, new
at the time. And the place is

629
00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:46,800
dark. I mean, literally dark.
And there's gypsy kids running

630
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,140
around all over the place.
pickpocketing people in the

631
00:35:49,140 --> 00:35:49,620
terminal.

632
00:35:49,650 --> 00:35:51,750
What year was what year were you
there?

633
00:35:53,159 --> 00:35:58,019
About one year before? Before
the fall of communism, which was

634
00:35:58,049 --> 00:35:58,499
some Oh,

635
00:35:58,500 --> 00:36:01,920
me too, like 8889? Yeah,
something like that. Yeah,

636
00:36:01,980 --> 00:36:03,600
that's when I was there. Oh,
interesting.

637
00:36:03,630 --> 00:36:06,090
Yeah. Well, I know I wouldn't
have been able to see it because

638
00:36:06,090 --> 00:36:07,230
it's so dark in the aeroplane.

639
00:36:07,739 --> 00:36:09,689
Anyway, I'll be wearing the red
rose.

640
00:36:10,890 --> 00:36:14,520
There was the funny scenes with
besides the kids running around,

641
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:19,110
there was also one in the entire
airport. There was one automatic

642
00:36:19,230 --> 00:36:23,730
door that opened, closed, in and
out. And it was surrounded by

643
00:36:23,730 --> 00:36:27,720
kids who kept jumping up and
down on the thing to open and

644
00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:32,550
close the door. Yeah, exactly.
Go ahead. Go ahead.

645
00:36:33,150 --> 00:36:36,420
You're right. It wasn't it
wasn't like an Argus base or

646
00:36:36,420 --> 00:36:39,630
like electronic eye it was a
mat. It was a math your pressure

647
00:36:39,630 --> 00:36:41,820
pressure mat pressure mat that
would open it up.

648
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:48,510
Right. So you can't get out that
door. And meanwhile they I

649
00:36:48,540 --> 00:36:50,880
talked to somebody about this
why the place is so dark by the

650
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,090
wind. And some guy told me that
well the deal is is that it was

651
00:36:54,090 --> 00:36:56,730
designed by a German company and
they Specht out all these

652
00:36:56,730 --> 00:36:59,250
lights, there's only little
bulbs are inset and kind of

653
00:36:59,250 --> 00:37:02,160
cans. The whole ceiling was
covered with them. But there was

654
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,310
no light coming out of me said
they the German spec to

655
00:37:05,310 --> 00:37:09,240
cigarettes to a certain wattage
bulb, not to a certain lumen.

656
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,660
And when they use Russian bulbs,
they about half the lumens out

657
00:37:12,660 --> 00:37:14,490
of them. So the place was pitch
black.

658
00:37:15,210 --> 00:37:19,710
I was there with the Moscow
music Peace Festival. You

659
00:37:19,710 --> 00:37:26,340
remember that? No, no, that was
I wouldn't do when I get the

660
00:37:26,340 --> 00:37:27,420
story. Are you interested?

661
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,610
Yeah, yeah, no sure. Okay, so

662
00:37:29,610 --> 00:37:32,520
doc McGee. I don't know if that
name means anything to you. He

663
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:37,050
was rings the bell? Yeah, very
famous manager of bands. And in

664
00:37:37,050 --> 00:37:40,620
the 80s he was the manager of
Bon Jovi Motley Crue, or those

665
00:37:40,620 --> 00:37:45,510
are the two big ones. And he had
been caught. I don't know if he

666
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:48,870
was I think that either he had
rented the Learjet or was

667
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:51,330
registered to his name. There
was a Learjet that landed in

668
00:37:51,330 --> 00:37:56,130
Miami with like 5000 kilos of
coke. And so he got busted for

669
00:37:56,130 --> 00:37:59,700
it. And the judge gave him kind
of a Get Out of Jail Free card.

670
00:38:00,150 --> 00:38:03,150
And he had to do some great
community service. So the idea

671
00:38:03,150 --> 00:38:06,840
was he would do an anti drug
anti alcohol concert in Russia.

672
00:38:06,930 --> 00:38:09,420
And of course, this you know,
this went up to some pretty high

673
00:38:09,420 --> 00:38:12,570
level because this was a
political thing as well. So he's

674
00:38:12,570 --> 00:38:16,470
clearly well connected in all
the right places. So off we

675
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:24,600
went, and this I think it was 88
in a rented DC ate some some

676
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:30,420
crappy, crappy plane. So Bon
Jovi, Motley Crue, Ozzy

677
00:38:30,420 --> 00:38:34,710
Osbourne, but with you know, the
other Black Sabbath guys, Geezer

678
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:42,690
Butler, and it was at Tommy
Iommi. And oh, man, it was Skid

679
00:38:42,690 --> 00:38:47,070
Row, we stopped in Germany,
picked up the scorpions. And

680
00:38:47,070 --> 00:38:50,490
then we landed in Moscow, and it
was for this huge concert that

681
00:38:50,490 --> 00:38:55,410
would be held in Lenin Stadium.
So they we were in the hotel

682
00:38:55,530 --> 00:38:58,080
right near Red Square, where
they actually turned on the hot

683
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,680
water in that part of the city
as a gesture to their guests.

684
00:39:02,910 --> 00:39:06,780
And I could probably fill up
three no agendas worth of

685
00:39:06,780 --> 00:39:10,500
stories about that trip there,
but I'll just give you one that

686
00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:14,310
was pretty cool. Because of
course, you know, this was the

687
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,150
gonna be two stories. This was
the anti drug anti alcohol

688
00:39:18,930 --> 00:39:22,020
concert. So on the plane on the
way over, and this is when

689
00:39:22,020 --> 00:39:27,900
Sharon Osbourne was still just a
little rotund, kind of pale. No,

690
00:39:28,890 --> 00:39:32,850
no personality have an English
girl who was managing Ozzy

691
00:39:32,850 --> 00:39:38,040
Osbourne. So she was on board.
And Ozzy was completely I mean,

692
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,520
completely plastered. Everyone
was plastered, but Ozzy was

693
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,450
really, really out of it. And
he's standing near the lavatory

694
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,490
because we were all kind of
sitting together. And he's like,

695
00:39:47,490 --> 00:39:53,100
Sharon, I gotta go. So when in
lieu Sharon because someone

696
00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:56,130
wasn't it was occupied. And
Sharon's like, oh, Ozzie just

697
00:39:56,130 --> 00:40:00,120
wait, so he wets himself right
there right in the aisle. Don't

698
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,120
do this just like you know, like
a, like a second grader a huge

699
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:07,260
white spot or a huge wet spot in
his pants, which really kind of

700
00:40:07,260 --> 00:40:09,330
set the tone for the rest of the
entire trip.

701
00:40:10,020 --> 00:40:14,850
But then is it what who would
pick that guy to go on and anti

702
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:15,720
alcohol

703
00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:21,809
is my point. Oh, like the motley
crew guys were cool. You know,

704
00:40:21,809 --> 00:40:26,759
or Skid Row. Come on. Exactly.
Don't they'll be there for like

705
00:40:26,759 --> 00:40:29,879
four nights or five nights. So
on the second night, which of

706
00:40:29,879 --> 00:40:33,209
course consisted of lots of
vodka and just brazen

707
00:40:33,209 --> 00:40:36,989
drunkenness. It was crazy. The
Moscow chapter if the Hells

708
00:40:36,989 --> 00:40:40,499
Angels showed up in front of our
hotel, didn't know they had one

709
00:40:40,529 --> 00:40:43,829
and the Member This was still
before the wall came down. And

710
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:46,649
they were on Java motorcycles.
You know, these Yugoslavian

711
00:40:46,649 --> 00:40:49,889
built bikes, and they were out
of their mind, John, they were

712
00:40:49,889 --> 00:40:53,519
like popping wheelies flipping
off the back. It was just it was

713
00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:56,459
like being in a fucking movie.
And I'll just never forget, it's

714
00:40:56,459 --> 00:41:01,469
like, you have this idea of what
a communist state particularly

715
00:41:01,469 --> 00:41:04,439
what, you know, Moscow would be
like, and you're there. And it's

716
00:41:04,439 --> 00:41:06,809
just there was no control. There
was mayhem. I looked at their

717
00:41:06,809 --> 00:41:11,369
technology. The technology was
like old grey Volkswagen buses

718
00:41:11,369 --> 00:41:15,149
with curtains. Now, this was
supposed to be the the highly

719
00:41:15,149 --> 00:41:18,479
technical KGB that could you
know, eavesdrop on everything

720
00:41:18,479 --> 00:41:21,509
and have superiority over the
world. No way.

721
00:41:22,110 --> 00:41:25,410
Well, I'm reminded of, you know,
Ronald Reagan, when he became

722
00:41:25,410 --> 00:41:27,930
president, he was shaking his
fist at Russia. And he called

723
00:41:27,930 --> 00:41:30,480
him the evil empire. And he went
on and on and on. He did this

724
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,630
for like, Mr. Gorbachev, bring
that wall down.

725
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:39,780
But then he went to Russia. And
he never he went to Russia. And

726
00:41:39,780 --> 00:41:42,390
he was almost like, he went to
Russia and had an epiphany. And

727
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:46,860
he never ever again said
anything about the right evil

728
00:41:46,860 --> 00:41:47,370
empire.

729
00:41:47,370 --> 00:41:49,350
He saw it because it's not
there. Right.

730
00:41:49,830 --> 00:41:53,160
Yeah, he saw was a big bunch of
bull. I mean, I noticed that I

731
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,820
was staying in the mirror hotel,
and which is across from that

732
00:41:56,820 --> 00:42:01,950
Russian, that white building
that got, you know, yep. And got

733
00:42:01,950 --> 00:42:07,290
some nice photos. And then they
had mics in the room, that we're

734
00:42:07,290 --> 00:42:10,050
obviously because the mirror
used to be I guess it was it was

735
00:42:10,050 --> 00:42:13,080
the diplomats hotel for a number
of years. And it became a

736
00:42:13,110 --> 00:42:13,620
political,

737
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,310
like big Sennheisers instead of
micro stuff. It was like,

738
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,940
no, they had they were they were
big, clunky mics. But they had

739
00:42:20,940 --> 00:42:25,830
been, they had been painted over
so many times because the room

740
00:42:25,830 --> 00:42:28,860
keys kept getting repainted. And
they were all just a gob of

741
00:42:28,860 --> 00:42:30,660
paint. And what's that

742
00:42:30,659 --> 00:42:31,469
bump there?

743
00:42:32,730 --> 00:42:35,790
A big bump about goblet paint.
And in every floor, there was a

744
00:42:35,790 --> 00:42:39,600
woman that was the floor woman
that you had to check in with.

745
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,380
They never really did any
security. But they were told

746
00:42:43,410 --> 00:42:45,870
before you went if you did your
due diligence, you had to give

747
00:42:45,870 --> 00:42:48,360
them gifts constantly. Oh, yes,

748
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,930
the floor lady if you wanted a
toilet paper or if you wanted to

749
00:42:51,930 --> 00:42:52,920
make a phone call?

750
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:58,890
Yeah, and you so you had to drop
off toys. Fairly at the time,

751
00:42:58,890 --> 00:43:02,790
the most valuable thing you can
do besides cigarettes. Were

752
00:43:02,940 --> 00:43:05,640
like, I was told this and they
get a kick out of it because

753
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,590
most of them had kids and they
would love these little Tonka

754
00:43:07,590 --> 00:43:10,890
Toys or these little mini things
as Little Hot Wheels. Little

755
00:43:10,890 --> 00:43:14,790
things. Those were like gold in
Russia at the time. And so you'd

756
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:16,410
give you gift them with

757
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,110
did you go to the hooker boat?
Did you see that when you were

758
00:43:19,110 --> 00:43:23,070
there? Know what? There was like
a hooker boat near

759
00:43:24,210 --> 00:43:27,300
national, the International
Hotel, whatever it was right.

760
00:43:27,300 --> 00:43:27,840
That's where

761
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,480
we stay. That's where we stayed
in the International. You stayed

762
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,820
there. Yeah. And they had a rope
and the rope was you know

763
00:43:32,820 --> 00:43:37,260
hookers on one side hotel guests
on the other side. It was

764
00:43:37,260 --> 00:43:38,070
phenomenal.

765
00:43:40,890 --> 00:43:43,050
Yeah, I think we're I lost you
there. How

766
00:43:43,050 --> 00:43:45,450
I got you. I gotcha did so
anyway.

767
00:43:45,509 --> 00:43:47,969
Hey, with that place was
crawling. It was unbelievable.

768
00:43:48,569 --> 00:43:51,359
It was and if anything is about
that international hotel. It's

769
00:43:51,389 --> 00:43:56,489
you still there? Yeah, I'm here.
To cut this out. I gotcha. The

770
00:43:56,489 --> 00:43:58,409
funny thing about that
International Hotel is that I

771
00:43:58,409 --> 00:44:02,249
was told before I went there,
that it was modelled after the

772
00:44:02,249 --> 00:44:05,339
Hyatt Regency in San Francisco
and supposedly done by the same

773
00:44:05,339 --> 00:44:08,489
architects. And there was it was
funny because you go in there

774
00:44:08,489 --> 00:44:11,189
and they were vague. You could
recollect certain things. So

775
00:44:11,189 --> 00:44:14,309
they had the big Open Atrium
answering. But everything was

776
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:19,079
done on the cheap and the cement
didn't seem up to par. And there

777
00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:22,799
was just a kind of a falling
apart. Nature everywhere it was.

778
00:44:23,189 --> 00:44:23,669
It looked like

779
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:26,550
it was genuine 17th century, but
that was actually just shity

780
00:44:26,580 --> 00:44:27,660
shity construction.

781
00:44:29,340 --> 00:44:34,200
Yeah, that was weird. So anyway,
it was I haven't been back. I

782
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:38,190
mean, I still need to go. I
would love to go to Lynn to St.

783
00:44:38,190 --> 00:44:41,040
Petersburg and go to the
Hermitage Museum. That's the

784
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,540
only thing. Here's one.

785
00:44:42,570 --> 00:44:45,900
Here's one final thing about the
floor lady. So if you had you

786
00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:49,020
had to request a phone call, I
think was either 12 hours or 24

787
00:44:49,020 --> 00:44:52,320
hours in advance if you wanted
to make a call international

788
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,620
call so you might want to call
home. And if you weren't in your

789
00:44:55,620 --> 00:44:58,770
room, when they came knocking
then you would lose your call

790
00:44:58,770 --> 00:45:01,890
right because of course you know
The theory is the KGB at a set

791
00:45:01,890 --> 00:45:04,740
up all the the recording
equipment etc. And so I was

792
00:45:04,740 --> 00:45:08,100
just, you know, that was very
frustrating and I had only been

793
00:45:08,130 --> 00:45:10,290
I'd been married for like six
months and you know, it was

794
00:45:10,290 --> 00:45:12,810
just, I was gonna get much
younger and want to call home.

795
00:45:13,500 --> 00:45:18,000
And I wound up hanging out with
the because I knew a lot of the

796
00:45:18,030 --> 00:45:21,510
video crew that was there but
Westwood one was doing all the

797
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:26,550
all of the audio and they had a
satellite truck. So I went up to

798
00:45:26,580 --> 00:45:29,490
the satellite truck is hanging
out with the sound engineer. And

799
00:45:29,490 --> 00:45:31,560
I was talking about the phone
call. He said, Oh, you know

800
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,600
what, he'd just pick up that
phone over there and I pick it

801
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:39,450
up. It's got a 516 area code
dial tone. So I could just dial

802
00:45:39,450 --> 00:45:46,860
you know, 1201 I called your
work. Oh, before I forget, be

803
00:45:46,860 --> 00:45:51,060
sure to check out our complete
show notes done every week by

804
00:45:51,060 --> 00:45:56,010
Bubba the greatest hardest
working guy in the universe. And

805
00:45:56,070 --> 00:45:58,440
where's that at cage Mac, a cage
match at

806
00:45:58,980 --> 00:46:06,090
Devorah kid.org/cage. Match or
cage match.org.org. without the

807
00:46:06,090 --> 00:46:08,790
www that gets there. It's a
subdomain. Bob always

808
00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:10,950
goes to the whole show, and then
does show notes, which is pretty

809
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:14,070
cool. And then I usually
retrofit them into the show show

810
00:46:14,070 --> 00:46:14,760
notes page.

811
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:20,160
I try. Yeah, he also sends some
commentary once in a while. But

812
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,520
ya know, that's very handy.
Somebody you know, it. I don't

813
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,460
know how valuable show notes are
in general. But I think you

814
00:46:26,460 --> 00:46:29,370
know, they're good for search
engines, in case we're talking

815
00:46:29,370 --> 00:46:31,170
about something that somebody
actually want to stay. Yeah, I

816
00:46:31,170 --> 00:46:33,990
think they're incredibly
valuable. I mean, there's isn't

817
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:37,350
there always a moment, if you're
listening to his show, then

818
00:46:37,350 --> 00:46:40,560
you're in show listening mode,
but maybe later, you're in

819
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,750
browsing mode? And you'll think,
oh, yeah, let me just go check

820
00:46:42,750 --> 00:46:45,780
up on that. And it's just a it's
a it's like a permalink. You

821
00:46:45,780 --> 00:46:50,790
know, you could say I'm gonna
post it on dvorak.org/blog. Or,

822
00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:52,920
but you can just say the show
notes. And everyone should kind

823
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:53,880
of know where that is.

824
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:56,970
Well, it helps you find a show
because everyone's so I've had

825
00:46:56,970 --> 00:46:59,370
to had this happen to me, as
somebody sent me a note. They've

826
00:46:59,370 --> 00:47:01,260
said, have a look through all
the notes. They couldn't figure

827
00:47:01,260 --> 00:47:04,170
out what show it was where I
mentioned something about, you

828
00:47:04,170 --> 00:47:06,660
know, it was actually all for
cranky geeks. And they sent a

829
00:47:06,660 --> 00:47:09,540
note someplace else saying, you
know, you were talking about

830
00:47:09,540 --> 00:47:12,960
this town in Arkansas. That's so
cool. And I find any

831
00:47:13,230 --> 00:47:16,950
meditations. Yeah, it is
metadata. But anyway, the town,

832
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,220
which I ended, send the guy an
email, but there is this town in

833
00:47:20,220 --> 00:47:22,980
Arkansas that if anybody's in a
neighbourhood, I would recommend

834
00:47:22,980 --> 00:47:27,330
checking it out called Van
Buren. And Van Buren is kind of

835
00:47:27,330 --> 00:47:33,330
a pristine Victorian town. In
the bottom of it, you kind of

836
00:47:33,330 --> 00:47:35,910
come in from Oklahoma, and you
look down and there's just like,

837
00:47:35,940 --> 00:47:39,720
it looks like a fake it looks
like a Hollywood movie set of

838
00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:44,190
all these old Victorians is like
an old Victorian downtown. And

839
00:47:44,370 --> 00:47:46,890
you go down there, and it's, you
know, these buildings are all

840
00:47:46,890 --> 00:47:50,910
from the, you know, pre judged
turn of the century for the late

841
00:47:50,910 --> 00:47:54,000
1800s. And they're all in
perfect condition. And there's

842
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,400
no they turned the town into
like a tourist trap for the for

843
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,320
the area. It's gorgeous.

844
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:01,799
I shall have to visit.

845
00:48:02,610 --> 00:48:05,010
Yeah, you'll never get to me.
It's almost I would have never

846
00:48:05,010 --> 00:48:07,470
gotten in a million years. If it
was you know, I haven't. I was

847
00:48:07,470 --> 00:48:10,410
between speeches, I had like to
had to give a talk in Dallas and

848
00:48:10,410 --> 00:48:13,860
I had to give a talk like four
days later in Memphis or

849
00:48:13,860 --> 00:48:17,670
Nashville. So I said, Well, let
me just drive. So I figured I'd

850
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:21,300
take this drive because I go
lighter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I

851
00:48:21,300 --> 00:48:25,890
drove from Dallas to Oklahoma
and went through Oklahoma and

852
00:48:25,890 --> 00:48:29,400
then which is really depressing.
And then I

853
00:48:29,699 --> 00:48:32,909
it's been Oklahoma is just
really vast and flat.

854
00:48:33,870 --> 00:48:37,860
Well, it's it's a lot of
decrepit is the problem. Anyway,

855
00:48:37,860 --> 00:48:40,410
so you get up there and then you
go cut across and then I saw I

856
00:48:40,410 --> 00:48:43,470
took a shot across the entire
state of Arkansas, which started

857
00:48:43,470 --> 00:48:47,340
in Van Buren and I took the side
I didn't take 40 I took I think

858
00:48:47,340 --> 00:48:50,610
it's 62 or something like that
with the old US Highway as

859
00:48:50,610 --> 00:48:53,310
opposed to the freeway which
shows you nothing and the only

860
00:48:53,310 --> 00:48:56,490
US Highways if you float around
in the south takes you through

861
00:48:56,490 --> 00:48:59,310
all these old towns where the
highway used to go anyway so

862
00:48:59,310 --> 00:49:01,890
yeah, I went all the way through
and I found Arkansas to be an

863
00:49:01,950 --> 00:49:06,420
absolutely fantastic state. I
think underrated people don't

864
00:49:06,420 --> 00:49:07,950
you know, they think it's you
know, they think it's just a

865
00:49:07,950 --> 00:49:10,470
bunch of hicks or whatever, but
they they make fun of themselves

866
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:13,500
when you get up into the Ozarks.
They have eaten by T shirts, you

867
00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:18,450
know, the Toothless hillbilly
quite funny. And there's

868
00:49:18,450 --> 00:49:21,420
actually what's what fascinated
me about Arkansas the most is

869
00:49:21,420 --> 00:49:26,790
that there's a wine growing
region in them Arkansas. Not

870
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:29,790
only that, but there was this
one winery familia, something or

871
00:49:29,790 --> 00:49:33,300
other, you know, normally should
be prepared, but we don't

872
00:49:33,300 --> 00:49:36,300
prepare on the show. So not to
remember anything. But this but

873
00:49:36,300 --> 00:49:39,390
there was a The guy told me and
I got a long lecture from these

874
00:49:39,390 --> 00:49:43,020
winemakers that this Arkansas is
the only state where they grow

875
00:49:43,050 --> 00:49:49,800
all four kinds of grapes. They
grow the the vinifera and

876
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,280
there's this weird grape that
they this big giant grape does

877
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,780
things the size of a small
orange that they make. Musk is a

878
00:49:57,780 --> 00:50:00,840
muscadine grape, and they make
up one line out of it called

879
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,600
muscadine wine which you can get
it they grow it all over the saw

880
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:04,200
this stuff is

881
00:50:04,380 --> 00:50:07,170
like is that like Muscadet? Is
that is that the same NO NO NO

882
00:50:07,169 --> 00:50:10,589
Monica de is a vinifera grape
This is called muscadine it's

883
00:50:10,589 --> 00:50:13,469
called muscadine wine and it's
apparently really good with deer

884
00:50:13,469 --> 00:50:19,469
meat it is almost impossible to
choke down although I have to

885
00:50:19,469 --> 00:50:23,939
say this place is one place this
familia that whatever made one

886
00:50:23,939 --> 00:50:27,569
that was actually drinkable. And
you know, i By the way, while I

887
00:50:27,569 --> 00:50:31,049
was discussing this, I looked up
the Wikipedia if you go to grape

888
00:50:31,049 --> 00:50:33,299
varieties and look at the
Wikipedia, there's actually six

889
00:50:33,299 --> 00:50:36,869
varieties of of grapes that are
made into wine, but the main one

890
00:50:36,869 --> 00:50:40,019
I'll go over for people out
there one is the vanilla, that's

891
00:50:40,019 --> 00:50:44,279
the one that we know and love.
And the and then there's the

892
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:47,879
Lambrusco which is the Conquer
guitar, those kinds of grapes.

893
00:50:48,329 --> 00:50:51,749
And the one that that muscadine
comes from is called the road

894
00:50:51,899 --> 00:50:55,529
tonne to folia and muscadine
grapes and I'd never had these

895
00:50:55,529 --> 00:50:57,359
grapes before they're very
interesting I was at the I was

896
00:50:57,359 --> 00:50:59,909
in Atlanta once I went to the
farmers market I was shot on a

897
00:50:59,909 --> 00:51:04,109
float around and and there was
this this kind of a bin with

898
00:51:04,109 --> 00:51:07,889
these huge fruits in there I
nursing I think there's like a

899
00:51:07,889 --> 00:51:13,589
really an extremely large plum.
And, and I ended with the same

900
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:17,609
colour racially perfectly round.
And I don't know what it wasn't,

901
00:51:17,609 --> 00:51:20,489
I just saw that I saw it. I
said, are those muscadine

902
00:51:20,489 --> 00:51:23,789
grapes? And the guy says, Yeah,
and you know, like, what do you

903
00:51:23,789 --> 00:51:26,429
think they are? And so I bought
them and I said, I ate them. You

904
00:51:26,939 --> 00:51:30,569
eat them like an apple. They're
so big. And I brought a bunch of

905
00:51:30,569 --> 00:51:33,569
them home and the kids loved
them. So really a good tea, but

906
00:51:33,569 --> 00:51:36,149
it's a big giant thing. It's not
like a you know, a bunch of

907
00:51:36,149 --> 00:51:38,609
grapes. It's like these big
doesn't have doesn't have seeds

908
00:51:38,609 --> 00:51:42,209
in it. Yeah, yeah. No, it's just
like a giant round grape that is

909
00:51:42,209 --> 00:51:46,109
like, you know, some sort of
from another planet. It's pretty

910
00:51:46,109 --> 00:51:48,659
good. But anyway, the other
there's Riparia which is another

911
00:51:48,779 --> 00:51:52,319
variety anyway, they guys, they
grow for the of the of the six

912
00:51:52,319 --> 00:51:55,199
types, I guess. So in Arkansas,

913
00:51:55,229 --> 00:51:58,139
so that whole grape wrap, you
know, with all the all the

914
00:51:58,139 --> 00:52:01,889
different times can you get laid
if you if you lay that on women,

915
00:52:01,919 --> 00:52:02,219
does that

916
00:52:02,220 --> 00:52:05,340
work? Well, it did great with
the grape talk.

917
00:52:05,370 --> 00:52:07,020
Yeah, that's pretty impressive.

918
00:52:08,730 --> 00:52:12,270
Yeah, it hasn't worked for me.
But anyway, so the but But back

919
00:52:12,270 --> 00:52:15,780
to this winery, so I find out a
little research. There was four

920
00:52:15,780 --> 00:52:18,330
wineries there when I went
there. But apparently according

921
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:23,310
to our before Prohibition, there
were 45 wineries, and I visited

922
00:52:23,310 --> 00:52:25,200
all for the ones that were in
business and one of them just

923
00:52:25,230 --> 00:52:27,510
was bought by Gallo as a matter
of fact, and they were thinking

924
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:30,870
of adding more stuff. And the
only thing the only I don't want

925
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:33,360
to beat this to death. But the
one thing that was interesting

926
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,300
is that I had I had a suspicion
that this was a wine growing

927
00:52:36,300 --> 00:52:40,380
area when I when I got into it
because there is one there was a

928
00:52:40,410 --> 00:52:44,070
there was a kind of a Fanta
Florida thing that I've run into

929
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,130
in various winegrowing areas
around the world. If there's a

930
00:52:47,130 --> 00:52:51,180
lot of oak trees around, there
will be a tonne of hanging

931
00:52:51,180 --> 00:52:55,860
lichen. Not dissimilar to what
you'd see in Savannah, Georgia

932
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,340
or places like that. But without
the humidity just a drier kind

933
00:52:59,340 --> 00:53:01,770
of a climate and you run into
this town in southern California

934
00:53:01,770 --> 00:53:04,980
when I first I was driving in
the mountains. And I ran into

935
00:53:04,980 --> 00:53:08,880
these, these this hanging like
and and it turned out to be one

936
00:53:08,910 --> 00:53:12,240
Paso Robles wine growing area.
And I've run into this in the

937
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:14,340
mountains in the Napa Valley.
And then when I'm driving

938
00:53:14,340 --> 00:53:18,420
through Arkansas, I get this
exact same characteristic. And I

939
00:53:18,420 --> 00:53:22,200
go and they turn the corner is a
winery. And it's just it was

940
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:22,920
very interesting.

941
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:24,900
Are there any wines from
Arkansas that you drink

942
00:53:24,900 --> 00:53:27,210
regularly or that you like? No,
but

943
00:53:27,210 --> 00:53:31,500
you know, what is one winery
that I mentioned, I would order

944
00:53:31,500 --> 00:53:33,990
wine from them they made
actually made a Zinfandel that

945
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:37,710
was better than you'd imagine.
But they also had a really good,

946
00:53:38,190 --> 00:53:41,760
sweet wine. They made a Cabernet
that was credible. And

947
00:53:43,020 --> 00:53:46,200
I like that a Cabernet that is
credible, nice.

948
00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:49,409
It was credible. And there was a
bunch of the all the wines that

949
00:53:49,409 --> 00:53:52,079
were actually I talked to the
wine guy it took some photos and

950
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:55,199
I met in blogging because it'd
be previews too long ago,

951
00:53:55,230 --> 00:53:57,870
I realised I could probably talk
about marijuana the way you talk

952
00:53:57,870 --> 00:54:00,390
about wine and different kinds
of strains. And you know, and

953
00:54:00,390 --> 00:54:03,480
this is great little place on
Jamaica, if you turn left I from

954
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,970
Montego Bay going up the new
highway, you know,

955
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,610
I'll be a couple members of the
audience that would appreciate

956
00:54:08,610 --> 00:54:10,110
that. Hell yeah.

957
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,290
There's a lot of great weed
podcasts I might point out.

958
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,700
Really? Oh, yeah. You know, the
coincidence about that is that I

959
00:54:17,700 --> 00:54:20,940
have, you know, John Dvorak is a
there's four writers in the

960
00:54:20,940 --> 00:54:24,150
country with that name. And
that's where we all use, or I

961
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:27,630
use different I make sure that
use the stones. Yeah, there's a

962
00:54:27,630 --> 00:54:31,830
John Dvorak playing. He's a
metallurgist, and there's the

963
00:54:31,830 --> 00:54:35,520
other one I can't remember it's
a John M. Or John H. Johnson.

964
00:54:35,790 --> 00:54:39,030
And he writes for High Times and
he's one of the on it's

965
00:54:39,090 --> 00:54:41,940
seriously one of the biggest
proponents of legalising

966
00:54:41,940 --> 00:54:45,870
marijuana, and nobody has ever
confused the two of us I have

967
00:54:45,870 --> 00:54:49,770
never gotten the an accidental
email for him. There's been

968
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,200
there's been absolutely no
connection. I've never met their

969
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,680
talk to the guy or even emailed
him. And it's, it's just like,

970
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:59,490
it's almost like it's such a
different track that there's no

971
00:54:59,490 --> 00:55:00,780
crossover whatsoever,

972
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,770
they asked me to do there. This
was just as we were raising our

973
00:55:04,770 --> 00:55:07,110
first round of finance, they
asked if I wanted to be a part

974
00:55:07,110 --> 00:55:10,140
of the High Times, you know, the
annual contest, which was being

975
00:55:10,140 --> 00:55:13,500
held in Amsterdam, where you
know, you have to smoke like 50

976
00:55:13,500 --> 00:55:16,170
different types of weed, and
then you decide which one is the

977
00:55:16,170 --> 00:55:20,340
best. I so wanted to do it. I
really, really did. And Ron and

978
00:55:20,340 --> 00:55:23,790
I said, anyhow, man, that's not
good. If we're if we're like

979
00:55:23,820 --> 00:55:26,040
raising around finance, you
might want to

980
00:55:26,340 --> 00:55:30,090
not do that. So they do that in
Amsterdam, they have a smoking

981
00:55:30,090 --> 00:55:30,870
contest every

982
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:33,750
year, every year big, big
smoking contest, and I think

983
00:55:33,750 --> 00:55:36,690
it's sponsored by High Times,
which I believe originates from

984
00:55:37,470 --> 00:55:40,770
No, no, was it published a one
time out of Amsterdam? I don't

985
00:55:40,770 --> 00:55:43,380
think in that. Anyway,

986
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,030
it's just like, you know, it's
like, maybe in the wine business

987
00:55:48,030 --> 00:55:50,430
instead of like being concerned
about the qualities that would

988
00:55:50,430 --> 00:55:53,250
be like the magazine called, you
know, drunken,

989
00:55:54,090 --> 00:55:59,010
or Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no shot. No, man. There's a lot

990
00:55:59,010 --> 00:56:03,810
more to the dirt. There's a last
year hammered. Hammered. Hi, I'm

991
00:56:03,810 --> 00:56:08,040
Adam Korea. Adam. Adam. See
curry from hammered magazine.

992
00:56:08,070 --> 00:56:12,030
I'd like to interview the
candidate, please. Hey, by the

993
00:56:12,030 --> 00:56:14,190
way, I only have a little
camera. I'm not threatening

994
00:56:14,220 --> 00:56:15,750
this. Let me interview with
this.

995
00:56:17,790 --> 00:56:20,580
Oh, man. So that's my Arkansas.
So anyway, so I went all the way

996
00:56:20,580 --> 00:56:24,270
through Arkansas and I caught
like, excellent music stations,

997
00:56:24,270 --> 00:56:26,970
Country and Western stations.
went to Memphis spent the night

998
00:56:26,970 --> 00:56:29,640
in Memphis, which is kind of the
you know, there's two music

999
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,850
centres of Tennessee, Nashville,
Nashville and Nashville. And

1000
00:56:32,850 --> 00:56:36,840
Memphis is the black and
Nashville is the white. And so I

1001
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:39,450
stayed in this motel or not a
motel but a Holiday Inn or

1002
00:56:39,450 --> 00:56:41,700
something. It was right
downtown. It was just all black.

1003
00:56:41,940 --> 00:56:46,980
And they had a basement band.
That was like a little nightclub

1004
00:56:46,980 --> 00:56:49,290
in there. And it was like I was
the old the one white guy in

1005
00:56:49,290 --> 00:56:50,220
there. Nobody cared and

1006
00:56:50,220 --> 00:56:51,990
you made up for three. You

1007
00:56:53,699 --> 00:56:55,889
did this at all good as our
quota.

1008
00:56:56,489 --> 00:56:59,579
We're in we're good. You can
close the doors now. So So

1009
00:56:59,580 --> 00:57:02,520
I sat there and he just had
listened to some of the best

1010
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:06,900
music imaginable and then took
off the next day took a lot it

1011
00:57:06,900 --> 00:57:11,460
went around the town and it
hasn't not very nice. Nice day.

1012
00:57:11,460 --> 00:57:14,880
There's a good barbecue place.
And then I went to Nashville and

1013
00:57:14,910 --> 00:57:16,980
do what I did and took off took
a plane home.

1014
00:57:17,370 --> 00:57:20,910
Nice. I've been in Nashville and
Nashville is now the it's like

1015
00:57:20,910 --> 00:57:24,660
the New LA for music. Everyone's
going down to Nashville. Yeah,

1016
00:57:24,810 --> 00:57:27,090
it's really really happened in
there. I haven't been in a long

1017
00:57:27,090 --> 00:57:27,450
time.

1018
00:57:27,630 --> 00:57:30,240
Well, when I was in Memphis I
did stop it. Elvis Presley's

1019
00:57:30,269 --> 00:57:32,969
you got to Yeah, how can you be
in Memphis and not go there?

1020
00:57:33,389 --> 00:57:36,059
Yeah, it was kind of smaller
than smaller than you think it

1021
00:57:36,059 --> 00:57:36,629
is. Right?

1022
00:57:37,110 --> 00:57:41,400
Oh, yeah. No, it's very small. I
think the Graceland is it would

1023
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,410
be a nice it'd be a comfortable
house. Oh, yeah,

1024
00:57:43,409 --> 00:57:46,649
no complaints but it's you see
it in pictures and you have this

1025
00:57:46,679 --> 00:57:49,589
much larger than life idea of
what it really is. And then you

1026
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:53,489
see it, it's like Oh, okay. Now
is this where he shot the TV

1027
00:57:53,489 --> 00:57:54,869
that's all anyone ever cares
about?

1028
00:57:55,259 --> 00:57:57,599
You know, what it reminds me
actually reminded me a little

1029
00:57:57,599 --> 00:58:00,209
bit Bill Gates his first house
before he moved into this

1030
00:58:00,209 --> 00:58:06,869
monster, you know, college
running on Vista. He had a house

1031
00:58:06,869 --> 00:58:10,709
very similar to Elvis as it had
to under you know, you had a lot

1032
00:58:10,709 --> 00:58:13,859
of study was to it was like not
up and down. It wasn't like a

1033
00:58:13,859 --> 00:58:16,109
two story house. It was like a
story and then down below there

1034
00:58:16,109 --> 00:58:19,079
was like a basement with a bunch
of rooms in it that were you no

1035
00:58:19,079 --> 00:58:23,069
credible. And just like the
Cabernet, just like the

1036
00:58:23,069 --> 00:58:26,639
Cabernet. Yeah, it was it was
worth you know, going and

1037
00:58:26,639 --> 00:58:31,619
visiting and in his grave as
there you know. And so,

1038
00:58:32,009 --> 00:58:35,069
we got we got a new fan of the
show and I want to play this

1039
00:58:35,069 --> 00:58:36,989
guy's I'll just play a little
bit of his comment. I won't take

1040
00:58:36,989 --> 00:58:40,319
the whole thing. But he has a
great voice a great rap. Listen

1041
00:58:40,319 --> 00:58:40,799
to this guy.

1042
00:58:41,759 --> 00:58:46,589
Hey, no agenda, guys.
grandpappy. John, and Adam. This

1043
00:58:46,589 --> 00:58:51,449
is Dan X New Yorker. marooned in
Fort Lauderdale. I just know

1044
00:58:51,779 --> 00:58:55,199
that you guys want to talk about
the banks pulling out of funding

1045
00:58:55,199 --> 00:58:59,609
the private equity capital
takeover of Korea channel this

1046
00:58:59,609 --> 00:58:59,999
week.

1047
00:59:00,719 --> 00:59:04,439
That's all I wanted to play. Did
you hear about that?

1048
00:59:05,340 --> 00:59:08,280
Yeah. I wasn't following it,
though. I mean,

1049
00:59:08,460 --> 00:59:10,560
it's a pretty big deal, John.
It's

1050
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,580
clear channel bought everything.
Yeah, I think so. I mean, they

1051
00:59:14,580 --> 00:59:17,730
own so much. And I know, through
the grapevine, because I still

1052
00:59:17,730 --> 00:59:19,890
have lots of friends in the
industry that these Clear

1053
00:59:19,890 --> 00:59:24,330
Channel stations. They're all
consult now. They're even

1054
00:59:24,330 --> 00:59:27,660
consolidating stations in New
York into the same physical

1055
00:59:27,660 --> 00:59:35,550
space. There's a stop on hiring
people. Yeah, that's worrisome.

1056
00:59:36,300 --> 00:59:39,090
Well, you know, it seems to me
that when you start to you know,

1057
00:59:39,090 --> 00:59:41,160
you're one of these big
companies and you start buying

1058
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,160
up properties to corner the
market. And then you cheapen the

1059
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:48,090
product, because the product
let's face it radio crap, since

1060
00:59:48,090 --> 00:59:50,760
Clearchannel came around, and it
is not the first to do it. I

1061
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:52,980
mean, they were they actually
picked up on a trend that had

1062
00:59:52,980 --> 00:59:53,820
begun long before.

1063
00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:57,240
They're the first to do it when
the rules change, and they

1064
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,970
actually could own all the
stations in one market.

1065
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,990
I'm talking about they were the
first to cheapen the product.

1066
01:00:04,020 --> 01:00:09,150
Oh, of course. But radio is
inherently the owners of

1067
01:00:09,150 --> 01:00:13,020
stations and unplug big radios
big New York radio stations run

1068
01:00:13,020 --> 01:00:15,720
with like five people, it's
already really, really cheap.

1069
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,790
It's the lowest rung of the show
business ladder.

1070
01:00:18,270 --> 01:00:23,550
Right. And so, you know, but the
product is not what it was in,

1071
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:28,290
you know, any number of years
ago. And it's hard. I mean, of

1072
01:00:28,290 --> 01:00:30,960
course, they have to compete now
with CDs. I mean, I'd rather

1073
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:35,580
listen to a disk and then they
and then the, the only real new

1074
01:00:35,580 --> 01:00:40,860
addition to array radio has been
political talk radio, which

1075
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,220
which is doing well actually was
doing very well. But that only

1076
01:00:44,220 --> 01:00:46,650
came about that's part of the
also part of that, you know, the

1077
01:00:46,650 --> 01:00:51,060
revolution radio, because they
changed one of the laws, the

1078
01:00:51,390 --> 01:00:53,970
whatever is, I can't remember
the name of it, where you had to

1079
01:00:53,970 --> 01:00:56,220
have a balanced opinion.

1080
01:00:57,090 --> 01:00:59,820
Yeah, you had to have equal
equal airtime.

1081
01:01:00,150 --> 01:01:04,050
Yeah, it was called the equal
sum or other. Stupid. I can't

1082
01:01:04,050 --> 01:01:04,380
remember.

1083
01:01:04,830 --> 01:01:07,920
I was taught that in college.
Yes, I think yeah, I was taught

1084
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,580
I was taught that in college, in
my broadcasting, yeah, equal

1085
01:01:11,580 --> 01:01:15,840
access, equal access. Anyway, so
if I said something about

1086
01:01:16,140 --> 01:01:19,800
negative about the board say I
was promoting some Democratic

1087
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,350
issue, they'd have to give same
number of Minister Republican

1088
01:01:22,500 --> 01:01:25,650
but that was killed fair use. If
it was fair, you know, if no,

1089
01:01:25,650 --> 01:01:25,890
no,

1090
01:01:25,890 --> 01:01:27,090
it was equal airtime.

1091
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,990
There's a, there was a term for
it. Anyway,

1092
01:01:31,020 --> 01:01:33,510
I'm a fraud. I'm afraid to use
my browser and I want to kill

1093
01:01:33,510 --> 01:01:34,410
the connection. So

1094
01:01:35,100 --> 01:01:38,790
I'll use my but anyway, the ones
David, that was eliminated in

1095
01:01:38,790 --> 01:01:41,730
1987. And that's when Rush
Limbaugh hit the scene, because

1096
01:01:41,730 --> 01:01:44,670
he's the one the first guy to
exploit it. And

1097
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:49,890
that was my friends who did that
whole network for him and who

1098
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:54,120
sold all his advertising. The
first, I think, five years, they

1099
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,820
syndicated my shows as well,
media America, little company in

1100
01:01:56,820 --> 01:01:58,980
New York, they made so much
money.

1101
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,980
I mean, just irked by the fact
that I can't think of that term

1102
01:02:05,250 --> 01:02:09,960
is equal airtime. No, no, it's,
there's no it's not. So that's

1103
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:10,770
not the term. It's the

1104
01:02:11,069 --> 01:02:14,849
airtime act of 1932.

1105
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:16,830
We type in equal equal airtime

1106
01:02:16,830 --> 01:02:19,920
act, you watch, it'll be the top
hit on Google man, I'm telling

1107
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:20,100
you,

1108
01:02:20,820 --> 01:02:23,370
cool air time act, hey, it's
something

1109
01:02:23,370 --> 01:02:26,220
fucked up with the internet says
that I read somewhere that level

1110
01:02:26,220 --> 01:02:30,300
three was having some, like, low
level networking problems,

1111
01:02:30,300 --> 01:02:33,390
because I'm having a lot of
trouble with certain sites.

1112
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:38,250
Everything like really comes in
fast. But certain sites just

1113
01:02:38,250 --> 01:02:39,510
give me all kinds of trouble.
And

1114
01:02:40,260 --> 01:02:43,050
I noticed this last night it was
it was okay. I'm not the only

1115
01:02:43,050 --> 01:02:44,100
one right. And particularly

1116
01:02:44,099 --> 01:02:46,769
Google seems to be messed up.
And I'm getting all kinds of I

1117
01:02:46,769 --> 01:02:49,619
did some trace routes, a little
bit of, you know, like, really

1118
01:02:49,649 --> 01:02:54,059
kind of semi techie stuff to see
what was going on. And I got

1119
01:02:54,059 --> 01:02:58,409
warnings like, this IP address
is used by two different

1120
01:02:58,439 --> 01:03:01,439
interfaces over Google. I mean,
I'm sure it has something to do

1121
01:03:01,439 --> 01:03:03,659
with how they route their
traffic. But I've never seen

1122
01:03:03,659 --> 01:03:06,599
that warning before. I see if I
can reproduce it actually, while

1123
01:03:06,599 --> 01:03:08,579
you're looking up the equal as

1124
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,640
they call it, the equal time
rule, but it's the Fairness

1125
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,820
Doctrine, that maybe was the
term I was looking for.

1126
01:03:15,210 --> 01:03:16,770
That sounds like something much
bigger.

1127
01:03:18,570 --> 01:03:22,140
Well says equal in Wikipedia,
which I hate to use all the

1128
01:03:22,140 --> 01:03:26,070
time. Don't do that. That really
pisses me off. The equal time

1129
01:03:26,070 --> 01:03:28,740
rule is sometimes confused with
the Fairness Doctrine warning

1130
01:03:28,770 --> 01:03:36,210
mail.google.com has multiple
addresses. Use okay using 64 dot

1131
01:03:36,210 --> 01:03:40,560
23.123 So now it's I don't know
man, I thought I thought I read

1132
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:43,290
somewhere that level three was
it's probably like Border

1133
01:03:43,290 --> 01:03:46,620
Gateway Protocol, someone's
announcing some stupid route or

1134
01:03:46,620 --> 01:03:51,240
something but it's it's really
they're messing with China

1135
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:51,630
again.

1136
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,930
I was having nothing but trouble
last night and the connection

1137
01:03:54,930 --> 01:03:56,910
that we have this morning which
is usually pretty clean, it's

1138
01:03:56,910 --> 01:03:59,820
pretty crappy. But anyway, the
Fairness Doctrine the equal time

1139
01:03:59,820 --> 01:04:02,640
or whatever the case is once
they banned that 1987 end up

1140
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:06,870
just political talk radio began
to emerge. And it became a just

1141
01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:09,960
a huge moneymaker but it's so
dependent on the people I mean,

1142
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:15,570
Rush Limbaugh has like 15
million listeners and he he

1143
01:04:15,570 --> 01:04:18,000
probably makes you know I mean,
I can't imagine how many

1144
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,450
millions of dollars he makes a
year 33

1145
01:04:21,510 --> 01:04:24,930
Yeah justice as base rate if he
has a regularly year 30 million

1146
01:04:24,930 --> 01:04:25,320
a year

1147
01:04:26,429 --> 01:04:28,889
okay well then knows all these
other guys including you know

1148
01:04:28,889 --> 01:04:33,209
the only other competition to
this type of radio has been

1149
01:04:33,209 --> 01:04:36,629
Sports Talk. Brian there's money
there too, but not quite as much

1150
01:04:36,660 --> 01:04:39,900
it's a lot harder because you
you have East Coast West Coast

1151
01:04:39,930 --> 01:04:42,210
vibes and stuff like that it's a
little hard to do it on a

1152
01:04:42,210 --> 01:04:45,360
national scale on Limbaugh it's
just blasted out on all these am

1153
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,060
stations of work everywhere it's
it's beautiful.

1154
01:04:48,989 --> 01:04:52,049
Ya know, it's amazing and
there's a you know, maybe for

1155
01:04:52,409 --> 01:04:58,139
for the guys that are making
nearly that much money. And but

1156
01:04:58,139 --> 01:05:00,449
that's it for radio I mean, if I
listen to radio Do I tend to

1157
01:05:00,449 --> 01:05:05,249
listen to that stuff? And then I
put the CD on or, you know, even

1158
01:05:05,249 --> 01:05:08,249
I still play cassettes. I mean,
it does the rest of the stuff is

1159
01:05:08,249 --> 01:05:11,219
horrible. I mean, college
stations are okay. You know,

1160
01:05:11,219 --> 01:05:13,679
because they you will have some
experimental stuff on there. And

1161
01:05:13,679 --> 01:05:15,869
there'll be music that you
haven't heard before. But the

1162
01:05:15,869 --> 01:05:17,969
rest of it, which is all
programmed by some central

1163
01:05:17,969 --> 01:05:20,549
location somewhere, it's just
not interesting.

1164
01:05:20,610 --> 01:05:23,760
Well, that's really the trick is
to have some with radio to have

1165
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:27,720
some form of localization. And
really, you know, they also made

1166
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:31,740
radio, a very untruthful medium,
you've got one guy sitting in

1167
01:05:31,740 --> 01:05:35,460
one central place, and he's
doing breaks on four stations at

1168
01:05:35,460 --> 01:05:38,250
once, you know, so he'd be
saying good morning to

1169
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:42,690
Pennsylvania, on one on one
channel, and then he'll be

1170
01:05:42,690 --> 01:05:47,460
saying good morning to Kansas on
another channel. And it doesn't

1171
01:05:47,460 --> 01:05:51,720
work that way. You know, I think
radio really are. You really

1172
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,330
have to be in tune with what's
going on in the community of

1173
01:05:54,330 --> 01:05:55,590
your listeners. Otherwise,

1174
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:57,900
give us an announcement from
Kansas.

1175
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,680
Hey, good morning, everybody.
It's Adam. See curry and Good

1176
01:06:02,370 --> 01:06:08,940
morning. Hi. Jackie, here, out
of the Clear Channel station.

1177
01:06:09,030 --> 01:06:12,060
I'll be taking phone calls one
802 420 100. Good

1178
01:06:12,060 --> 01:06:16,680
luck. There you go. It's like
turning on a switch.

1179
01:06:16,709 --> 01:06:20,219
I actually remembered the one
800 Number not of a Kansas

1180
01:06:20,219 --> 01:06:24,869
station. But that was the 100 in
New York. I remember the number

1181
01:06:26,669 --> 01:06:30,719
said so many times you remember
it one 802 420 100 Good luck

1182
01:06:30,719 --> 01:06:32,459
from C 100.

1183
01:06:34,230 --> 01:06:37,590
So anyway, that's the problem
with radio. So a every once a

1184
01:06:37,590 --> 01:06:40,020
while somebody will buy with
some little dying station and

1185
01:06:40,020 --> 01:06:42,150
they'll pump it up, it gets
really popular because the only

1186
01:06:42,150 --> 01:06:42,840
thing in town,

1187
01:06:42,989 --> 01:06:47,009
I love the romanticism of it. I
really love the idea of a radio,

1188
01:06:47,009 --> 01:06:50,219
you know, that's what I'm a disc
jockey. And that's what always

1189
01:06:50,219 --> 01:06:52,919
attracted me to radio is there
was always that guy in kind of

1190
01:06:52,919 --> 01:06:56,939
the, in the darkened room, you
know, smoking his cigarette, no,

1191
01:06:57,299 --> 01:07:00,479
taking phone calls, and just,
you know, talking to the people.

1192
01:07:00,479 --> 01:07:04,079
And I've always found that to be
a very romantic type of

1193
01:07:04,079 --> 01:07:06,089
business. And that's always
what's attracted me to and I

1194
01:07:06,089 --> 01:07:08,309
think that's also what's
attracted me to podcasting, you

1195
01:07:08,309 --> 01:07:12,509
know, and why I don't do despite
every one, I do these, my show,

1196
01:07:12,509 --> 01:07:15,959
now I hook it up to live 365. So
you can listen to a live stream,

1197
01:07:16,289 --> 01:07:19,349
while I'm actually recording
daily source code. And then

1198
01:07:19,409 --> 01:07:22,859
people will Twitter stuff while
I'm talking. But they always

1199
01:07:22,859 --> 01:07:24,869
say, Well, why don't you put up
a video stream, it's like, I

1200
01:07:24,869 --> 01:07:27,239
don't want you to fucking see
me, I don't want you I want you

1201
01:07:27,239 --> 01:07:31,289
to, I want to be in your head. I
don't want you to, you know,

1202
01:07:31,289 --> 01:07:34,199
it's like, there's something
about that theatre of the mind

1203
01:07:34,199 --> 01:07:36,899
that is always attracted me to
the medium of just audio.

1204
01:07:37,409 --> 01:07:40,709
Ya know, I've always been a big
fan of it myself. And, you know,

1205
01:07:40,709 --> 01:07:43,889
I'm a subscriber to stand
Freebirds theories, you know,

1206
01:07:43,949 --> 01:07:47,039
what was that, and it was Dan
Freeburg, was his comic in the

1207
01:07:47,039 --> 01:07:50,399
United States, who was also a
radio genius, and it became an

1208
01:07:50,399 --> 01:07:55,229
advertising guy over the years.
And he is the one who did, he

1209
01:07:55,229 --> 01:07:57,839
did a bunch of novelty records,
you probably remember most of

1210
01:07:57,839 --> 01:08:02,999
them back in the 60s or 70s. And
then he, but he was a big

1211
01:08:02,999 --> 01:08:09,329
advocate of, you know, turning
radio into this, you're using

1212
01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:12,989
imagery and, you know, say
saying things that weren't

1213
01:08:12,989 --> 01:08:18,839
happening. I always like to work
with somebody that has, you

1214
01:08:18,839 --> 01:08:22,289
know, a knowledge of, you know,
of this, this type of

1215
01:08:22,289 --> 01:08:25,319
broadcasting where you can say
to him say, so, we have in the

1216
01:08:25,319 --> 01:08:29,339
studio says, you know, Adam
curry, and you have to be here

1217
01:08:29,339 --> 01:08:31,199
to see it. But you know, he's
got it. He's got easy and you're

1218
01:08:31,199 --> 01:08:36,569
naked. And then the other guy
played well, I came in naked,

1219
01:08:36,569 --> 01:08:39,089
because, you know, I thought we
were supposed to be naked on

1220
01:08:39,089 --> 01:08:41,309
this show. And you know, and you
just go with that kind of thing.

1221
01:08:41,309 --> 01:08:43,319
And people I know, there's a
bunch of people that will listen

1222
01:08:43,319 --> 01:08:46,529
to something like that and, and
say, Wow, that's amazing. He'd

1223
01:08:46,529 --> 01:08:47,549
come in navy seal.

1224
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:52,470
That's the part that I never
liked. You know? That to me, you

1225
01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:55,860
know, because that always got
taken so far. And we'd like to

1226
01:08:55,860 --> 01:08:58,740
wait here we got let me do it
for you. Hey, John. I'm in the

1227
01:08:58,740 --> 01:09:03,120
chopper. Right now. I'm flying
over Guilford. I see that. We've

1228
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:06,390
got some precipitation coming
up. We'll be back later with the

1229
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,870
no agenda weather chopper over
to your job.

1230
01:09:10,679 --> 01:09:12,059
You beaten yourself to death.

1231
01:09:12,089 --> 01:09:16,619
Yeah, that hurt. I never liked
that stuff. That's

1232
01:09:17,820 --> 01:09:22,170
I think it was amusing. So
anyway, but radio is dead. Let's

1233
01:09:22,170 --> 01:09:22,590
face it.

1234
01:09:24,179 --> 01:09:28,529
There you go. Radio is dead. But
you know what? I think that we

1235
01:09:28,529 --> 01:09:31,139
should actually consider putting
up a live stream. Whenever we do

1236
01:09:31,139 --> 01:09:33,359
this. You know, if people want
to tune in, they can come to an

1237
01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:35,189
end. Would you mind?

1238
01:09:35,550 --> 01:09:38,040
No, I wouldn't mind. I mean, we
do that with cranky geeks. They

1239
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,590
run a live stream. But it's like
such a small number of people

1240
01:09:40,590 --> 01:09:43,560
that actually listen to the live
stream that the work that it

1241
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,470
entails. Doesn't seem to be
worth it to me, but if you want

1242
01:09:46,470 --> 01:09:48,780
to do it, I don't care. I mean,
we don't cut anything out of the

1243
01:09:48,780 --> 01:09:49,620
show anyway. Well, the

1244
01:09:49,620 --> 01:09:52,530
only thing that can make it
different is if you then have

1245
01:09:53,490 --> 01:09:56,580
your at that point, you can
create a live feed feedback loop

1246
01:09:56,580 --> 01:09:58,830
and that's what that's what I've
enjoyed and I've specifically

1247
01:09:58,830 --> 01:10:01,290
chosen not to do a chat rumour
anything like that. That's just

1248
01:10:01,290 --> 01:10:04,230
distraction. But with Twitter,
it takes about, you know, two or

1249
01:10:04,230 --> 01:10:08,370
three minutes before something a
tweet comes through. And of

1250
01:10:08,370 --> 01:10:11,730
course, it's kind of everyone
can figure out how to get

1251
01:10:11,730 --> 01:10:14,100
Twitter working IRC channels are
sometimes a little more

1252
01:10:14,100 --> 01:10:16,860
challenging, whatever, it's,
it's the thing du jour. But

1253
01:10:16,860 --> 01:10:19,290
because of that two minute
delay, you know, think kinds of

1254
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:21,540
things kind of come in after
I've finished the thought, or

1255
01:10:21,630 --> 01:10:25,380
while I'm playing a record or
song. And it's an interesting

1256
01:10:25,380 --> 01:10:27,450
feedback loop. I don't know if
it's something we'd want to use,

1257
01:10:27,450 --> 01:10:30,630
but that that's really the only
reason to do a live stream.

1258
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:33,450
You know, I don't think it's a
you know, it might be worth

1259
01:10:33,450 --> 01:10:37,050
experimenting with because the
fact is, they're the public that

1260
01:10:37,050 --> 01:10:40,560
is listening. I mean, I've said
this before I deal with I feel

1261
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,410
that with my writing, generally
speaking, the collective

1262
01:10:43,410 --> 01:10:47,040
knowledge of the listeners is
way beyond you, you know, the

1263
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:51,870
the content providers and it has
up his sleeve. And so you get

1264
01:10:52,230 --> 01:10:56,070
except for the the jackasses out
there, generally speaking, you

1265
01:10:56,100 --> 01:11:02,910
you get often get interesting
takes on in fact, Jim Rome, the

1266
01:11:03,330 --> 01:11:06,600
sports broadcaster uses that
term takes and he has people,

1267
01:11:06,870 --> 01:11:09,780
it's mostly the show is whenever
just when you break it down is

1268
01:11:09,780 --> 01:11:11,040
largely the public.

1269
01:11:13,050 --> 01:11:16,770
Exactly. That's exactly that's
the same thing with my show. I

1270
01:11:16,770 --> 01:11:19,800
just except instead of taking
live calls, I just have people

1271
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:23,160
call into the voicemail. And I
just play their their comment

1272
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:26,520
and stop it midstream and
comment on it. And it's kind of

1273
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:28,020
become my my art form.

1274
01:11:29,100 --> 01:11:31,920
Ya know, and I think it's a good
one, but we can try it. I think

1275
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:36,480
the Twitter thing might work.
You know, we can pick up on what

1276
01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:37,320
somebody is saying,

1277
01:11:37,350 --> 01:11:40,470
particularly for DUIs Saturday,
you know, it's Saturday is kind

1278
01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:43,020
of a day when people would
wouldn't mind, you know, looking

1279
01:11:43,020 --> 01:11:45,810
out because you also Twitter is
a great alert mechanism. You all

1280
01:11:45,810 --> 01:11:49,620
say, Hey, I'm going to start the
show in 30 minutes, and then it

1281
01:11:49,620 --> 01:11:53,160
kind of replicates you know, so
I have followers, like 4000

1282
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:55,950
followers or whatever. And so
they may or may not see that,

1283
01:11:55,950 --> 01:11:58,860
and then other people will, will
tweet it themselves kind of like

1284
01:11:58,950 --> 01:12:02,670
a mini blogosphere. And they'll
tweet that and their followers

1285
01:12:02,670 --> 01:12:05,070
will hear about it, it kind of
expands pretty quickly. So

1286
01:12:05,070 --> 01:12:09,360
within 15 to 30 minutes, you can
get to several 100 people

1287
01:12:10,020 --> 01:12:11,220
listening in on a stream.

1288
01:12:13,020 --> 01:12:15,150
Okay, well, let's give it a
shot, I need to get a Twitter

1289
01:12:15,150 --> 01:12:17,160
account, apparently, because I
keep getting people inviting me

1290
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:19,620
and everyone is demanding that
and there's all these, you know,

1291
01:12:19,620 --> 01:12:22,140
they say you should use it for
marketing, I'm going Oh,

1292
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:25,200
whatever. It's just another
thing I don't feel like doing is

1293
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:25,620
to only

1294
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:28,980
use it's like a pain, you know,
what I what I'm not that

1295
01:12:28,980 --> 01:12:31,410
interested in although from time
to time I'll do it is you know,

1296
01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:35,220
I'm at the gas station. I'm
here. You know, that is not so

1297
01:12:35,220 --> 01:12:38,190
interesting to me. And I tip I
tip, I don't follow many people

1298
01:12:38,190 --> 01:12:44,670
and maybe 100 150. But if I just
want to alert people to a blog

1299
01:12:44,670 --> 01:12:48,390
post that I've just done, and I
use it sparingly, because you

1300
01:12:48,390 --> 01:12:51,630
know, you have people who every
blog post, they'll build tweet

1301
01:12:51,660 --> 01:12:54,960
that they've posted something
that's like, I don't care. But

1302
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:58,560
if there's something really
like, urgent and a Twitter

1303
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:01,500
showed up from you, I check it
out. I'd click it, I'd say all

1304
01:13:01,500 --> 01:13:04,380
right, yeah. It's a good alert
mechanism for whatever you're

1305
01:13:04,380 --> 01:13:04,830
doing.

1306
01:13:05,369 --> 01:13:08,189
You follow? 150? That seems like
a lot. No, it's

1307
01:13:08,190 --> 01:13:11,400
very low. Oh, it's very low.
Most people. In fact, I'm number

1308
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:15,540
50. On followers, there's this,
like Hall of Fame thing, I

1309
01:13:15,540 --> 01:13:19,680
forget the URL. And you can see
who has the most followers. And

1310
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,170
you'll see that the people at
the top like Barack Obama has

1311
01:13:22,170 --> 01:13:26,820
the most followers, but the he
has the automatic switch set on

1312
01:13:26,820 --> 01:13:29,280
that automatically makes
everyone who follows you,

1313
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,820
someone you follow. And there is
I think there may be some

1314
01:13:32,820 --> 01:13:34,650
correlation between that.

1315
01:13:36,750 --> 01:13:39,210
So what you want is a lot of
followers and only follow a few

1316
01:13:39,210 --> 01:13:42,840
select. I don't have time,
because obviously it's obviously

1317
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:46,530
a fake to say that, you know, if
you give me you got 5000

1318
01:13:46,530 --> 01:13:47,820
followers, and you're following
fight, yeah,

1319
01:13:47,850 --> 01:13:52,560
following that now, it's stupid.
It's stupid. But the 150 that's

1320
01:13:52,620 --> 01:13:56,100
just about right, you know, and
I know, there's a lot of stuff

1321
01:13:56,100 --> 01:13:58,680
that goes by that. And I miss a
lot. And I don't go back into

1322
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:01,410
archives. But there are other
things like this is what is kind

1323
01:14:01,410 --> 01:14:05,160
of cool about Twitter, because
that their API has been, you

1324
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,920
know, open to developers for a
while. And a lot of the people

1325
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:11,460
who use it are geeky developers,
apparently, you have stuff like

1326
01:14:11,460 --> 01:14:17,850
Twitter mail. Which, if you know
Twitter has something very

1327
01:14:17,850 --> 01:14:20,970
interesting if you use the Add
sign. Do you know about this,

1328
01:14:20,970 --> 01:14:27,780
John? No. Okay. So here's the
concept. I'm following these 150

1329
01:14:27,780 --> 01:14:31,920
or 160 people so whatever they
put on Twitter, it comes up it

1330
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:35,910
kind of scrolls by continuously
just like an IRC channel kind

1331
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:41,760
of, but then if someone might
say my twitter name is Adam

1332
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:45,630
curry all one word, if someone
in a in a tweet, I have to use

1333
01:14:45,630 --> 01:14:49,920
the vocabulary. If someone in a
tweet does add sign Adam curry

1334
01:14:49,950 --> 01:14:55,620
then it will show up in my
Twitter stream. So it's that

1335
01:14:55,650 --> 01:14:58,260
it's kind of interesting,
because you can get drawn into

1336
01:14:58,260 --> 01:14:59,640
other conversations.

1337
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,730
So in other words, you're not
somebody that you're following,

1338
01:15:02,730 --> 01:15:03,690
but somebody who want

1339
01:15:03,690 --> 01:15:06,750
exactly someone who is someone
who wants to get your attention,

1340
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:11,190
and then started abused by
spammers. Well, you can block

1341
01:15:11,190 --> 01:15:14,130
people. So that's another nice
thing you can say, I never want

1342
01:15:14,130 --> 01:15:16,020
to see something from this
person ever.

1343
01:15:16,410 --> 01:15:19,440
Yeah, but what if you had to get
it to mean you can spam him

1344
01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:20,130
once, then?

1345
01:15:21,390 --> 01:15:24,420
Yeah, I mean, so it's the
universe isn't that big yet that

1346
01:15:24,420 --> 01:15:28,620
that problem is as cropped up
yet? It will. But then there's

1347
01:15:28,620 --> 01:15:33,360
this other place. Crap, I don't
I keep forgetting. But it will

1348
01:15:33,630 --> 01:15:37,200
go into Twitter, and it will
build the threads for you. So

1349
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:42,150
if, if I, if I put something on
Twitter than it'll throw it show

1350
01:15:42,150 --> 01:15:46,230
you a graphical threaded view,
of all the responses that came

1351
01:15:46,230 --> 01:15:48,180
into that, it's interesting,
John, I think you should check

1352
01:15:48,180 --> 01:15:53,820
it out. I mean, it is not, it is
not the chat room, CB radio type

1353
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:54,840
it off, I'm

1354
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:58,440
gonna do it eventually, when I
have a few extra minutes. The

1355
01:15:59,610 --> 01:16:03,600
it's not that hard. And what you
need to do is you need to get a

1356
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:07,590
client. So you don't just use
the website, you want to I have

1357
01:16:07,590 --> 01:16:12,300
something called Twitterrific,
which is like a Mac app, but

1358
01:16:12,300 --> 01:16:14,310
there's all kinds of different
apps that will run it and you

1359
01:16:14,310 --> 01:16:18,450
can run it through I think GTAW
Can you can have to I am and to

1360
01:16:18,450 --> 01:16:19,530
SMS and

1361
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:23,550
it's, it's well, let me ask the
public, what's the what the what

1362
01:16:23,550 --> 01:16:29,370
is the best Windows app that I
should deal with that would link

1363
01:16:29,370 --> 01:16:34,140
into the system and make it
practical? I'll, I'll take their

1364
01:16:34,140 --> 01:16:34,680
advice.

1365
01:16:36,030 --> 01:16:37,740
Do you do like getting email
don't check.

1366
01:16:38,850 --> 01:16:41,370
I get I don't get any spam. So
it's not that big of a,

1367
01:16:42,150 --> 01:16:45,210
it's all high quality stuff?
Well, no, no

1368
01:16:45,210 --> 01:16:47,730
about that, I get a lot of
email, it takes up an hour a

1369
01:16:47,730 --> 01:16:53,040
day, at least. But I don't look
at all I mean, I do look at all

1370
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:56,610
the mail that that comes from
people that are actually trying

1371
01:16:56,610 --> 01:16:58,890
to get ahold of me personally.
But there's an awful lot of

1372
01:16:58,890 --> 01:17:02,850
press releases. And you know,
somebody's just to subscribe to

1373
01:17:02,850 --> 01:17:05,940
your video and that kind of
thing. And I just kind of just,

1374
01:17:06,030 --> 01:17:06,810
if people would only

1375
01:17:06,810 --> 01:17:10,410
use the subject line a little
more. With a little more

1376
01:17:10,410 --> 01:17:12,360
intelligence, if you want to get
a hold of me, you got to have a

1377
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:15,060
great subject line that works.
You know, that's where it's got

1378
01:17:15,060 --> 01:17:17,580
to take place that that gets a
click,

1379
01:17:17,610 --> 01:17:19,410
I agree. And I think the other
thing that people should know

1380
01:17:19,410 --> 01:17:22,440
about subject lines is they
should have some sort of

1381
01:17:22,470 --> 01:17:26,520
archival value. So in other
words, saying like I, you sent

1382
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:28,560
me a note about something or
other, and then I say, Oh, they

1383
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,410
had sent me this, I remember him
sending me something about this,

1384
01:17:31,650 --> 01:17:34,740
let me do a search on the
subject line, hoping that the

1385
01:17:34,740 --> 01:17:38,760
keyword is in the subject line,
you know, like whatever it was T

1386
01:17:39,180 --> 01:17:42,540
and so I should hit the subject.
And then boom, there's your

1387
01:17:42,540 --> 01:17:43,650
note, you know, Ben

1388
01:17:43,650 --> 01:17:47,640
CMBC, you don't use Gmail,
right, but use it some other

1389
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:52,320
search based email that you use.
Or it's just a client just email

1390
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:52,650
kind of

1391
01:17:52,650 --> 01:17:58,710
either using Thunderbird, which
I'm not happy with. Or I'm doing

1392
01:17:58,710 --> 01:18:02,010
web based mail using squirrel
mail, which has a search

1393
01:18:02,010 --> 01:18:02,790
function. And

1394
01:18:03,780 --> 01:18:07,290
I'll give you an example of how
how incredibly cool Gmail is

1395
01:18:07,290 --> 01:18:11,670
because I was looking for this
member this Jared had emailed us

1396
01:18:11,670 --> 01:18:15,150
about using a different client
instead of Skype and, and I

1397
01:18:15,150 --> 01:18:17,190
wanted to take a look at it and
set it up just for myself. We

1398
01:18:17,190 --> 01:18:21,120
didn't even get to doing that
today. So I the only things I

1399
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:25,110
could remember where they you
had replied in this thread. And

1400
01:18:25,110 --> 01:18:30,990
you had said just being
realistic. So I put in John, and

1401
01:18:30,990 --> 01:18:34,320
realistic and it was the top hit
man, I mean, that's good.

1402
01:18:35,370 --> 01:18:38,700
I don't have a problem with
Gmail per se, I do have a Gmail

1403
01:18:38,700 --> 01:18:45,870
account, I use it as backup, I
just do not like to be at the I

1404
01:18:45,870 --> 01:18:50,460
don't like to be dependent on
third parties over the internet

1405
01:18:50,460 --> 01:18:53,310
like that, in case somebody
takes a dislike to me and say,

1406
01:18:53,310 --> 01:18:56,340
you know, let's pull his account
or something weird happens or

1407
01:18:56,340 --> 01:19:00,300
gets hit by some bot or somebody
you know, steals it

1408
01:19:00,390 --> 01:19:03,360
if that but that's why you want
control over your MX record. So

1409
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:05,790
you can change that and redirect
it somewhere else. I mean,

1410
01:19:05,790 --> 01:19:08,220
that's that's the ultimate
control. Right? That's all you

1411
01:19:08,220 --> 01:19:08,910
really need.

1412
01:19:09,780 --> 01:19:13,110
Well, I do send my Gmail to my
regular box when I'm talking to

1413
01:19:13,110 --> 01:19:17,730
level up DeVore act.org in the
DNS entry there's an MX record

1414
01:19:17,730 --> 01:19:17,910
which

1415
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:21,840
you're thinking is I should use
the Gmail client run it through

1416
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:25,380
divorce.org So if something
weird happens, then the Gmail I

1417
01:19:25,380 --> 01:19:26,670
don't get doesn't make any
difference.

1418
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:31,590
But you're still not taken up
one level not the domain name

1419
01:19:31,590 --> 01:19:34,530
level, but you can actually
maybe um we're just

1420
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:38,430
miscommunicating but just like
you can say okay, this is this

1421
01:19:38,430 --> 01:19:42,420
is where you send all traffic
for port 80 for web traffic. So

1422
01:19:42,420 --> 01:19:45,570
DeVore act.org resolves to this
IP address you have a separate

1423
01:19:45,570 --> 01:19:50,040
record for mail exchange you can
actually put into several so if

1424
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:53,940
this one fails, ie this one has
gone nuts or whatever then then

1425
01:19:53,940 --> 01:19:57,300
after you know X amount of tries
then you or they have a

1426
01:19:57,300 --> 01:20:01,050
preference setting, then try
this mail server It's really a

1427
01:20:01,050 --> 01:20:04,590
whole separate art architecture.
And that is really the ultimate

1428
01:20:04,590 --> 01:20:06,450
no one can Skrill as long as you
control that, I

1429
01:20:06,450 --> 01:20:08,880
know I understand that but but
the thing is, I still have to

1430
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:12,210
run, you know if I can get it to
go through Mark per kill spam

1431
01:20:12,210 --> 01:20:17,760
filters first, okay for it goes
to because I don't get any spam

1432
01:20:18,210 --> 01:20:24,540
before it goes to anyone I might
find it useful. But I'm not sure

1433
01:20:24,540 --> 01:20:26,190
that's doable. Of course, it's

1434
01:20:26,190 --> 01:20:27,810
doable. Well, okay, it

1435
01:20:27,810 --> 01:20:35,460
might be doable. Okay. And I got
the list under number three,

1436
01:20:35,460 --> 01:20:40,950
Twitter. Yes. Twitter and then
emailed me because Adam likes

1437
01:20:40,950 --> 01:20:41,700
Gmail.

1438
01:20:41,730 --> 01:20:43,920
Hold on. Listen to this. Hi,
Adam.

1439
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:47,220
And John. This is Falco calling
from Germany. You guys were

1440
01:20:47,220 --> 01:20:51,930
talking about the famous hot
dogs from Copenhagen, Denmark,

1441
01:20:51,930 --> 01:20:56,190
and you didn't know what the
special stuff was on. It's

1442
01:20:56,220 --> 01:20:59,430
roasted onions. You can find
them here all over the place and

1443
01:20:59,430 --> 01:21:03,300
not the grocery stores. I just
wanted to let you know. I love

1444
01:21:03,300 --> 01:21:04,740
the show. I'll hear you

1445
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:07,680
buy another mystery solved on no
agenda?

1446
01:21:07,860 --> 01:21:10,470
Well, I thought it was roasted
garlic because it had because no

1447
01:21:10,470 --> 01:21:15,180
real reason I say that is
because I roasted onions is

1448
01:21:15,180 --> 01:21:18,870
probably what it is because they
would know but I was in Brazil

1449
01:21:18,870 --> 01:21:23,760
one year and they had a some
dish. It's once it was a special

1450
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:26,820
dinner and they rolled out this
exact same stuff. It seemed like

1451
01:21:26,820 --> 01:21:30,840
the exact same stuff that I had
in Denmark. And it was indeed it

1452
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:34,590
did in Brazil, a garlic that was
roasted and it was chunky and

1453
01:21:34,590 --> 01:21:37,320
was actually quite tasty. And I
thought it was the same thing

1454
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:40,200
that had a similar quality. So
that's why that's where I made

1455
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:41,400
the connection. Anyway.

1456
01:21:42,060 --> 01:21:48,330
So we're to an hour and 20
minutes. Did you have anything

1457
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:50,370
written? I got a couple of
things. Do you ever did you have

1458
01:21:50,370 --> 01:21:51,480
anything written down? No, I

1459
01:21:51,480 --> 01:21:53,790
wrote nothing down because the
last week I decided wasn't going

1460
01:21:53,790 --> 01:21:55,770
to come in even with vague
notes. So

1461
01:21:55,770 --> 01:21:58,530
it's okay to write stuff down. I
was thinking about what I want

1462
01:21:58,530 --> 01:21:59,490
to talk to you about.

1463
01:21:59,730 --> 01:22:05,370
Yeah, I decided to do it as
penance. I decided not to do

1464
01:22:05,370 --> 01:22:05,640
that.

1465
01:22:05,670 --> 01:22:11,460
All right here. Let me give you
a couple VBC threatens ISPs with

1466
01:22:11,460 --> 01:22:17,010
a blacklist over there I player
I have the FAA sucking the

1467
01:22:17,010 --> 01:22:19,950
airline's off. I want to ban

1468
01:22:20,220 --> 01:22:23,160
three airlines have gone out of
business in the last week or so.

1469
01:22:24,060 --> 01:22:26,910
Yeah, well, this is all this FAA
stuff and all this maintenance

1470
01:22:26,910 --> 01:22:27,420
crap.

1471
01:22:28,890 --> 01:22:32,070
Well, they're blaming on fuel
costs, which airlines went belly

1472
01:22:32,070 --> 01:22:36,090
up. Ata went out of business,
and then something called Sky

1473
01:22:36,090 --> 01:22:39,360
bus and everyone heard of went
out of business. And then I

1474
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:41,520
think there's there's a third
one. And then there's

1475
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:46,470
apparently, we're also,
shootings on the freeway are

1476
01:22:46,470 --> 01:22:51,030
reemerging to people killed in
the last couple of days up here

1477
01:22:51,030 --> 01:22:54,960
by up to highway 80. And I guess
in LA, there's been five people

1478
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:57,900
shot down gunned down while
driving on the freeway.

1479
01:22:57,930 --> 01:23:00,720
Well, that's an American
tradition. And I'm quite happy

1480
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:03,900
to see that return to the public
space. That's nice. freeway

1481
01:23:03,900 --> 01:23:05,550
shootings. Very nice.

1482
01:23:05,850 --> 01:23:08,100
You have to be armed when you're
driving.

1483
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:12,720
So when you on your next trip,
wherever you go, don't fly on a

1484
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:14,520
777. Okay.

1485
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:17,220
What what's the problem there?

1486
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:20,670
Well, there's this whole thing
about the FAA and if you heard

1487
01:23:20,670 --> 01:23:23,850
about all these planes that got
grounded 737 is mainly because

1488
01:23:23,850 --> 01:23:28,500
of maintenance. Okay, so here's
what I what I have deduced from

1489
01:23:28,530 --> 01:23:31,920
the information. There's a lot
of it out there. The FAA,

1490
01:23:31,950 --> 01:23:37,260
somehow, they've gotten into bed
with the airline carriers. In

1491
01:23:37,260 --> 01:23:42,360
fact, to quote, one article I
read, the FAA is treating them

1492
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:44,730
like customers, which, in a way,
by the way, you know, we are

1493
01:23:44,730 --> 01:23:49,050
customers of the FAA, and we, we
pay special taxes and dues for

1494
01:23:49,050 --> 01:23:52,680
use of certain things and a lot
of it that's free. But, you

1495
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:55,500
know, basically air traffic
control, they're no, they don't,

1496
01:23:55,950 --> 01:23:58,380
they don't actually control
everything they're there to to

1497
01:23:58,380 --> 01:24:04,020
help the pilots and the air
carriers. So they are really, in

1498
01:24:04,020 --> 01:24:07,980
a technical sense, subservient
to the people doing the actual

1499
01:24:07,980 --> 01:24:11,760
flying, and we can overrule them
at any point, you don't want to,

1500
01:24:11,790 --> 01:24:16,140
but you can. So when it comes to
maintenance, I think they've

1501
01:24:16,140 --> 01:24:20,070
just been really, really easy.
And they've and they've, they've

1502
01:24:20,310 --> 01:24:23,190
done a lot, a lot a couple of
airlines really get away with

1503
01:24:23,190 --> 01:24:26,220
shoddy maintenance records and a
lot of it had to do with

1504
01:24:26,220 --> 01:24:29,640
checking holes that that might
have cracks. And you know, as I

1505
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:32,670
say, as an airman maintenance is
absolutely everything that will

1506
01:24:32,670 --> 01:24:36,600
keep you alive time and time
again. And the seven the triple

1507
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:39,150
seven member, the one that had
that high fuel pressure pump

1508
01:24:39,150 --> 01:24:42,330
problem that landed short at
Heathrow and bounced around a

1509
01:24:42,330 --> 01:24:48,000
bit before making on the runway.
Yeah, so they said the fleet has

1510
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:50,610
not been grounded, the triple
seven the problem has been

1511
01:24:50,610 --> 01:24:54,840
identified. But there's been no
like get everything down and

1512
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:57,810
start fixing these things. It's
mandatory and I think it's a

1513
01:24:57,810 --> 01:25:04,440
part of this problem the FAA is,
for whatever reasons is, is in

1514
01:25:04,440 --> 01:25:06,810
bed with the carriers and
they're trying to, you know,

1515
01:25:06,810 --> 01:25:12,180
skim skim on expensive overhead
and help each other out so that,

1516
01:25:12,210 --> 01:25:14,550
you know, they can kind of
weather through the storm of I

1517
01:25:14,550 --> 01:25:16,710
don't know whether it's the fuel
costs or whatever the problem

1518
01:25:16,710 --> 01:25:20,010
is, but I don't think that the
public is being served by the

1519
01:25:20,010 --> 01:25:23,580
FAA. I don't think that they're
that they're doing their job

1520
01:25:23,580 --> 01:25:27,030
properly and looking out for our
backs. I think this triple seven

1521
01:25:27,030 --> 01:25:29,280
is is dangerous, and I will not
fly it.

1522
01:25:31,470 --> 01:25:36,930
Avoid it. If it did, you know,
say they don't flight if it's

1523
01:25:36,930 --> 01:25:39,660
like a plane that was always
kind of sketchy because nobody

1524
01:25:39,660 --> 01:25:42,120
wanted to fly across the Pacific
into engineers. Oh, yeah.

1525
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:44,580
You only got two engines. And

1526
01:25:46,230 --> 01:25:48,420
although, you know, suppose they
can fly across the Pacific on

1527
01:25:48,420 --> 01:25:54,690
one engine, yes, it can. But the
Danis a comfortable plane. It's

1528
01:25:54,690 --> 01:25:57,540
a really nice plane. I've been
on a number of them. And of

1529
01:25:57,540 --> 01:25:59,490
course, the first ones that came
was actually on one of the

1530
01:25:59,490 --> 01:26:02,280
earliest ones and they came out
I flew to Washington DC or

1531
01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:06,810
something and they had designed
it. So the ball, the seat

1532
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:12,150
movement stuff was right under
right on top of the armrest,

1533
01:26:12,180 --> 01:26:16,650
just about the point where you
put your elbow. Yeah. So you'd

1534
01:26:16,650 --> 01:26:18,570
sit down, you start to relax.
And the next thing you know,

1535
01:26:18,570 --> 01:26:21,060
you're getting a back massage,
and the thing was moving back

1536
01:26:21,060 --> 01:26:23,130
and forth, and back and forth,
and jerking all over the place.

1537
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:25,770
Friendly Skies,

1538
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:29,010
I love it. He lifted your arm up
and you realise that you

1539
01:26:29,010 --> 01:26:31,500
couldn't put your arm on the
armrest because all these

1540
01:26:31,500 --> 01:26:35,190
buttons were on it. And so I
thought that was kind of dumb.

1541
01:26:36,510 --> 01:26:38,760
There were some other issues
I've had with that plane, but

1542
01:26:38,970 --> 01:26:42,300
generally speaking, it was
always pretty comfortable. I

1543
01:26:42,300 --> 01:26:44,580
still like to 747 still my
favourite plane

1544
01:26:44,789 --> 01:26:47,669
airline to like I like it over
the air buses. Actually, I

1545
01:26:47,669 --> 01:26:51,089
really liked the 747 I haven't I
haven't flown the big 380 yet. I

1546
01:26:51,089 --> 01:26:52,199
hope to do that soon.

1547
01:26:52,590 --> 01:26:54,480
Yeah, that should be
entertaining. I mean, the last

1548
01:26:54,480 --> 01:26:56,820
the biggest Airbus which I can't
remember the number of it, but

1549
01:26:56,820 --> 01:27:00,780
the one with the four engines.
I've always found it's kind of a

1550
01:27:00,780 --> 01:27:03,420
distressed I was sitting on one
of those once in a flight and

1551
01:27:03,420 --> 01:27:06,600
there was like, the wings is
like good. You know, I had a

1552
01:27:06,930 --> 01:27:09,390
roommate in college who was an
aeronautical engineer. And he

1553
01:27:09,420 --> 01:27:12,120
described to me that the wing
theories he says, you know,

1554
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:15,630
these companies like Boeing or
just wing designers is what

1555
01:27:15,630 --> 01:27:19,260
their real businesses and and he
pointed out that McDonnell

1556
01:27:19,260 --> 01:27:22,230
Douglas and Boeing he worked for
McDonnell Douglas had two

1557
01:27:22,230 --> 01:27:26,880
distinct theories of wing design
that were different. And Boeing

1558
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:31,710
had a flapping wing. And
McDonnell Douglas had a rigid

1559
01:27:31,710 --> 01:27:34,290
wing, and I have a phone call.
So I think maybe we should

1560
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:36,000
continue this conversation next
week.

1561
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:51,060
Ah, maybe I should play a little
music. Let's listen in on John.

1562
01:27:51,900 --> 01:27:54,150
You wait. Too late is gone.

1563
01:27:54,570 --> 01:27:57,090
It may turn out to be somebody
who didn't have to talk to you.

1564
01:27:57,150 --> 01:28:00,060
So that's our cliffhanger or
cliffhangers rigid versus?

1565
01:28:01,380 --> 01:28:04,590
Yeah, let's talk about rigid
wings versus the fixed wing.

1566
01:28:04,710 --> 01:28:05,130
Because because you

1567
01:28:05,130 --> 01:28:07,590
have the same in helicopters,
you also have a fully

1568
01:28:07,590 --> 01:28:10,740
articulated rigid, you have all
different kinds of wings. It is

1569
01:28:10,740 --> 01:28:13,200
it's the two there are two
theories. I don't know if it's

1570
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:15,210
going to be tremendously
exciting to our audience.

1571
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:20,130
Well then let me finish it so so
that the difference was that you

1572
01:28:20,130 --> 01:28:23,040
had to maintain them differently
and Boeing has these wings that

1573
01:28:23,070 --> 01:28:26,670
been like a mile and they flap
literally in the air and they're

1574
01:28:26,670 --> 01:28:29,190
designed to flap but they need
to be you know, they had to be

1575
01:28:29,190 --> 01:28:32,460
checked a lot. And the rigid
wing guys their stuff is built

1576
01:28:32,460 --> 01:28:34,380
like a truck. It doesn't have to
you know, so there's there's a

1577
01:28:34,380 --> 01:28:36,480
maintenance difference, but the
rigid ones cost a lot more to

1578
01:28:36,480 --> 01:28:40,320
make. Hay that's the basis but
anyway, so I'm on I'm in this

1579
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:44,100
big giant Airbus the biggest one
before that new one. It's a

1580
01:28:44,100 --> 01:28:48,690
363 40 I'm not sure and there's
an it's got the it's got the

1581
01:28:48,750 --> 01:28:51,840
flapping wings just like the
Boeing's only they're like

1582
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:55,560
really flapping so I'm looking
out the window at the at the

1583
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:58,860
wing and is flapping and
flapping and then the engine at

1584
01:28:58,860 --> 01:29:03,300
the far end is flopping around.
And so I'm thinking this is this

1585
01:29:03,300 --> 01:29:06,450
isn't right. And the engines are
flopping around and the wings

1586
01:29:06,450 --> 01:29:08,880
are flapping and and we're going
across the Atlantic and I just

1587
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:12,330
said I'm not going to fly on
planes. nerve wracking much

1588
01:29:12,330 --> 01:29:17,160
wing flap. Actually, when when
you hear a helicopter and he's

1589
01:29:17,190 --> 01:29:19,890
going overhead slowly and it
gets you can really hear the the

1590
01:29:19,890 --> 01:29:24,210
blades. It's called blade flap
literally. Yeah, that's what it

1591
01:29:24,210 --> 01:29:28,650
is. That's not the engine. That
that is actually the blades.

1592
01:29:30,210 --> 01:29:32,160
So anyway, that's my story. I'm
sticking to it.

1593
01:29:33,510 --> 01:29:38,400
Oh, man, I forgot to load up to
the theme music. I'll post that

1594
01:29:38,430 --> 01:29:41,100
it'll it'll be it'll sound just
like I started in just a time

1595
01:29:41,100 --> 01:29:44,400
just on time as usual. I feel
like I talk a lot more but I

1596
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:46,980
think that it's also it's like
an hour and a half. Although

1597
01:29:46,980 --> 01:29:50,280
people don't care, John. They
said time and time they just

1598
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:50,880
don't care.

1599
01:29:51,090 --> 01:29:53,250
How well we don't I don't think
we have anything else to talk

1600
01:29:53,250 --> 01:29:55,890
about is that is the issue here.
Well, we do have one thing you

1601
01:29:55,890 --> 01:29:58,620
can you know you're coming in
again, you said this week. I

1602
01:29:58,620 --> 01:30:00,840
think you should do some more
expense. cementation with the

1603
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:01,770
customs guys.

1604
01:30:02,220 --> 01:30:05,340
Right? So I did think about that
briefly. And I was, I was

1605
01:30:05,340 --> 01:30:09,240
thinking of two things. One is I
need to ask for a team leader

1606
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:11,490
immediately because that's what
that's what I've learned, right?

1607
01:30:11,550 --> 01:30:14,010
The TL has the power. You
haven't done that yet. Now

1608
01:30:14,010 --> 01:30:18,270
having done that, and I also
should, I should say, when I was

1609
01:30:18,270 --> 01:30:20,280
speaking to the team leader,
I'll ask him if he could put a

1610
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:23,250
flag next to this guy named John
Dvorak, who writes for High

1611
01:30:23,250 --> 01:30:26,820
Times, he sometimes goes by the
name of John C. Dvorak, you

1612
01:30:26,820 --> 01:30:30,210
know, you might want to keep
tabs on him. Yeah, that would be

1613
01:30:30,210 --> 01:30:33,270
appreciated a known drug theme.
I mean, do you have any other

1614
01:30:33,270 --> 01:30:35,460
idea? I don't want to get in
trouble. But I'm sure I'm gonna

1615
01:30:35,460 --> 01:30:36,540
get stopped. So

1616
01:30:37,140 --> 01:30:39,570
no, I think that what yeah, you
got you can't do double blind,

1617
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:41,730
you can't do too many things
different every time because you

1618
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:44,640
then the stories, you don't know
what caused it. I think this

1619
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:46,950
time you should meet. I think
that's all you should do. When

1620
01:30:46,950 --> 01:30:50,010
you come in. Don't do anything
else different. Just ask for the

1621
01:30:50,010 --> 01:30:50,790
team leader?

1622
01:30:51,119 --> 01:30:55,769
Should I do that at the, at the
first customs or, or where they

1623
01:30:55,769 --> 01:30:58,079
always give me the secondary,
which is when you leave, and you

1624
01:30:58,079 --> 01:31:00,209
have to hand off your customs
form? Should I ask for the team

1625
01:31:00,209 --> 01:31:01,019
leader right away?

1626
01:31:01,740 --> 01:31:05,790
Well, I think you're gonna have
to do it 111 of each, right. And

1627
01:31:05,790 --> 01:31:08,670
one way the next time I see what
the difference is, I would not

1628
01:31:08,670 --> 01:31:11,130
do it right away, I would take
it a little further. And then

1629
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:12,690
the next time do it right away.

1630
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:14,850
Because I think if I do it,
right, those are the guys that

1631
01:31:15,090 --> 01:31:17,280
they tend to give you a really
pissed off. Look, no matter what

1632
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:18,510
you say, Well, why

1633
01:31:18,510 --> 01:31:20,100
don't you do it to them, then?
No,

1634
01:31:20,790 --> 01:31:24,900
I'm afraid I don't want to get
in trouble. I'm going to get

1635
01:31:24,900 --> 01:31:29,910
more I don't want to go.
Alright, let me give you one

1636
01:31:29,910 --> 01:31:32,850
more man, there's this BBC thing
was just funny. And I think

1637
01:31:32,850 --> 01:31:35,910
you'll enjoy it, you know, there
iPlayer. Have you followed this

1638
01:31:35,910 --> 01:31:36,300
at all?

1639
01:31:37,590 --> 01:31:39,720
Only? No, okay, there

1640
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:43,200
was a little controversy over or
controversy, I should say, the

1641
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:46,590
iPlayer. Essentially, they're
making all of their programming

1642
01:31:46,590 --> 01:31:49,830
available for up to seven days
after it airs, which is great,

1643
01:31:49,830 --> 01:31:53,400
because, you know, here, we, we
pay for our public television,

1644
01:31:53,730 --> 01:31:57,480
it's a separate fee that you
have to pay. And people really

1645
01:31:57,480 --> 01:32:00,000
enjoy it. And it's really good
quality. And then the iPhone

1646
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:02,250
version, there was some
controversy earlier because it

1647
01:32:02,250 --> 01:32:06,810
only worked on Windows. And
because it was like an ActiveX

1648
01:32:06,810 --> 01:32:09,510
plug in or whatever. So they
they met you know, there was the

1649
01:32:09,510 --> 01:32:12,540
Linux people mainly got up in
arms and said, you know, this is

1650
01:32:12,540 --> 01:32:14,940
unfair, we're paying too, you
should make it available for

1651
01:32:14,940 --> 01:32:18,600
Linux. So I think they, they
solved all of those issues. But

1652
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:22,080
the but the basic Windows
version actually is a peer to

1653
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:27,630
peer client. So when you fire it
up, you're becoming a node on

1654
01:32:27,630 --> 01:32:30,840
this peer to peer network, which
of course saves the BBC a lot of

1655
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:33,510
bandwidth on these high quality
video shows that they're making

1656
01:32:33,510 --> 01:32:38,370
available. And it is also an I
think, a DRM issue, which, which

1657
01:32:38,370 --> 01:32:40,950
is quite important to them,
which the windows stuff gives

1658
01:32:40,950 --> 01:32:46,590
them. But what what a number of
ISPs are not doing with pretty

1659
01:32:46,620 --> 01:32:50,580
well with peer to peer traffic
in general. But also now with

1660
01:32:50,610 --> 01:32:55,410
this BBC iPlayer is they're
shaping the bandwidth. And it's

1661
01:32:55,410 --> 01:32:58,770
giving people you know, a shitty
experience. So with file

1662
01:32:58,770 --> 01:33:02,100
sharing, it may not be that bad
if you're running bit torrent or

1663
01:33:02,100 --> 01:33:04,890
whatever, because it may just
slow down. But eventually, it'll

1664
01:33:04,890 --> 01:33:07,170
all come in. But when you're
trying to watch something in a

1665
01:33:07,170 --> 01:33:10,980
live stream, and it's peer to
peer, it messes up the whole

1666
01:33:10,980 --> 01:33:14,250
experience of the BBC has now
come out and said, they are

1667
01:33:14,250 --> 01:33:18,270
going to publish a blacklist of
ISPs that are doing this, saying

1668
01:33:18,270 --> 01:33:22,200
that the users deserve to have
the best possible quality. So

1669
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:27,960
they're basically siding with
the users on bandwidth shaping

1670
01:33:27,990 --> 01:33:30,030
of ISPs, which I thought was
pretty interesting.

1671
01:33:30,450 --> 01:33:33,450
Yeah, that's, that's good.
That's very good. It's,

1672
01:33:34,140 --> 01:33:36,300
it's a huge step in the right
direction,

1673
01:33:37,440 --> 01:33:42,810
and see where it ends up. And
just guys, these ISPs are

1674
01:33:42,810 --> 01:33:44,730
backing off on most of this
stuff. They're trying to figure

1675
01:33:44,730 --> 01:33:47,280
out some other way making money
and they Comcast, for example,

1676
01:33:48,030 --> 01:33:50,280
looks like they're gonna
experiment with a 50 megabits

1677
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:52,770
per second system. We're gonna
roll it out in Minnesota. Yeah,

1678
01:33:52,770 --> 01:33:55,740
like 150 bucks a month or
something. Yeah, 100, something

1679
01:33:55,740 --> 01:33:58,560
like that. And then and then at
that point, if they can make 150

1680
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:03,060
bucks a month from everyone,
they don't need to be doing TV

1681
01:34:03,060 --> 01:34:06,660
and all the rest of it. They can
just be a carrier of the

1682
01:34:06,660 --> 01:34:08,670
internet and make plenty of
money. I mean, there's always

1683
01:34:08,670 --> 01:34:11,070
this Oh, God, we're gonna ruin
our own business if we go to

1684
01:34:11,070 --> 01:34:14,970
IPTV and no one's gonna buy
cable TV anymore, and, and

1685
01:34:14,970 --> 01:34:17,250
they're just worried sick about
this, but it's not a foregone

1686
01:34:17,250 --> 01:34:19,620
conclusion, conclusion that
that's where things are headed.

1687
01:34:19,740 --> 01:34:23,070
So these guys own that they own
the pipes, and all they have to

1688
01:34:23,070 --> 01:34:25,620
do is put metres on it's like
being in the public utilities

1689
01:34:25,860 --> 01:34:28,830
company, you know, you just make
nothing but money. I don't get

1690
01:34:28,830 --> 01:34:30,810
their thinking that they don't
want to do this.

1691
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:33,210
I think they want to do it. I
think they were just

1692
01:34:33,210 --> 01:34:36,600
underprepared. And, you know,
Comcast still believes it's a

1693
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:39,780
media company, that, you know,
everyone wants to be in show

1694
01:34:39,780 --> 01:34:41,910
business who wants to be in the
pipe business if you have a

1695
01:34:41,910 --> 01:34:43,770
choice? Yeah, I

1696
01:34:43,770 --> 01:34:46,140
know. But you got to be
realistic. I mean, not

1697
01:34:46,140 --> 01:34:49,230
everybody's supposed to be in
show business and you run

1698
01:34:50,130 --> 01:34:51,930
through podcasters.

1699
01:34:51,959 --> 01:34:54,269
But it's the same as I used to
have to go to all that like the

1700
01:34:54,269 --> 01:34:57,629
Cable Ace awards that we'd have
when MTV was trying to stay on

1701
01:34:57,629 --> 01:35:00,509
basic cable which they they've
succeeded in doing that. We had

1702
01:35:00,509 --> 01:35:02,999
to go to affiliates all the
time. And these guys thought

1703
01:35:03,029 --> 01:35:06,299
they acted like they were NBC,
you know, they were trench

1704
01:35:06,299 --> 01:35:10,019
diggers, who had the, you know,
30,000 customers.

1705
01:35:11,639 --> 01:35:13,139
I think it's all about the
girls.

1706
01:35:13,859 --> 01:35:17,159
Dude, it's always about getting
laid. Absolutely. Speaking of

1707
01:35:17,159 --> 01:35:21,089
which, and then we'll wrap it
up. I did a pilot for a game

1708
01:35:21,089 --> 01:35:25,379
show, which is being sold in con
this weekend and this coming

1709
01:35:25,379 --> 01:35:30,779
week. Yeah. And I almost got
laid off just doing the pilot.

1710
01:35:30,779 --> 01:35:32,459
Wait until you see the show.
You're gonna love it.

1711
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:36,000
All right, I'll wait. One of the
contestants

1712
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:38,310
actually offered herself to me.
I was so proud.

1713
01:35:39,180 --> 01:35:45,150
Did you That's good. Did you?
Did you make a DVD of it and

1714
01:35:45,150 --> 01:35:45,840
bring it over? Yeah, I

1715
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:49,080
have a DVD. I have a full DVD of
the so they have like a promo

1716
01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:52,320
and then they have a pilot
episode is called Are you? Yeah,

1717
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:54,360
go ahead. I'm sorry. It's called
Baba boom.

1718
01:35:55,380 --> 01:35:56,760
VAVA. That's a good name. Baba

1719
01:35:56,760 --> 01:35:58,740
blah, Baba. Baba. Triple V.

1720
01:36:00,510 --> 01:36:04,440
V. But also you're supposed to
make me some DVDs of that debt.

1721
01:36:04,470 --> 01:36:05,700
That show and a little

1722
01:36:05,700 --> 01:36:08,820
Britain but I don't have the I
don't have all the shit to do

1723
01:36:08,820 --> 01:36:11,190
that. I don't have. You don't
have a

1724
01:36:11,190 --> 01:36:13,530
little DVD recorder for your TV.

1725
01:36:14,910 --> 01:36:18,930
Oh, I do have a recorder. I
never record stuff. Yes, I do.

1726
01:36:19,500 --> 01:36:22,710
You just push the button. It
says Record. It's like a VCR.

1727
01:36:24,030 --> 01:36:24,630
pops out.

1728
01:36:24,660 --> 01:36:27,510
Thank you. Yeah, I gotta do
that. Yes, I think I can

1729
01:36:27,540 --> 01:36:29,700
although the sky box, I think
because I can record it on the

1730
01:36:29,700 --> 01:36:32,280
sky box. But then when you play
it back, I don't know if the DVD

1731
01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:37,020
will record it. Or if there's
some, like anti copyright theft

1732
01:36:37,020 --> 01:36:37,680
shit in there.

1733
01:36:37,710 --> 01:36:40,260
If it goes through an analogue
port is not a big deal, though.

1734
01:36:40,260 --> 01:36:41,700
And you haven't I'm not set up
analogue. I'm

1735
01:36:41,700 --> 01:36:45,210
set up digital. I'll try. I'll
try it. But I mean, can we can I

1736
01:36:45,210 --> 01:36:46,860
just buy the DVD set for you?

1737
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:50,820
Now you would not want to do
you're missing the point.

1738
01:36:52,440 --> 01:36:59,910
Wait a minute. This is wrong.
All right. No cliffhanger crap.

1739
01:37:00,540 --> 01:37:03,510
Now well, all right. I got a
cliffhanger. I'm banning the

1740
01:37:03,510 --> 01:37:04,110
Olympics.

1741
01:37:05,250 --> 01:37:07,350
Now we got a cliffhanger that
you forgot to discuss. And we're

1742
01:37:07,350 --> 01:37:08,760
not going to bring it up which
is soy?

1743
01:37:09,390 --> 01:37:11,730
Oh, yes. You know what, I do
want to know more about that

1744
01:37:11,730 --> 01:37:14,340
because I'm genuinely concerned
for my health. And a lot of

1745
01:37:14,340 --> 01:37:18,930
people say that you're right and
I did not know this but I'm very

1746
01:37:18,930 --> 01:37:22,560
willing to listen and open to
switching to something else. I

1747
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:25,470
got to have some kind of milk
but I don't want just milk and

1748
01:37:25,470 --> 01:37:28,290
my wife has coronary disease.
She can't drink milk.

1749
01:37:31,170 --> 01:37:32,040
pasteurised,

1750
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:34,530
pasteurised, really,

1751
01:37:35,730 --> 01:37:39,180
that's the bad stuff is
pasteurised. We'll leave it I'm

1752
01:37:39,180 --> 01:37:42,000
gonna sound like a complete nut
ball if I go on and on. Okay.

1753
01:37:42,150 --> 01:37:47,040
We'll talk about it next week.
All right, John. So I'll see you

1754
01:37:47,070 --> 01:37:49,470
Tuesday. You'll hopefully get
something set up for dinner.

1755
01:37:50,670 --> 01:37:56,910
Yep. Okay. That's it for the
programme. It hasn't started

1756
01:37:56,910 --> 01:38:00,480
snowing, but from definitely a
very wet Britain in the curry

1757
01:38:00,480 --> 01:38:01,920
manner. I'm Adam curry.

1758
01:38:03,420 --> 01:38:05,460
And I'm John C. Dvorak from
Northern California where

1759
01:38:05,460 --> 01:38:06,750
there's no snow in sight.

1760
01:38:07,140 --> 01:38:10,320
And we'll talk to you again next
week right here on no agenda.

1761
01:38:29,130 --> 01:38:29,520
Well, that's