1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:04,530 Once again, it's time for that programme that has no music, no 2 00:00:04,530 --> 00:00:09,450 jingles, no commercials, no themes. Obviously no talent and 3 00:00:09,450 --> 00:00:13,350 certainly no agenda coming to you from an overcast United 4 00:00:13,350 --> 00:00:15,990 Kingdom in the curry manner. I'm Adam curry. 5 00:00:16,890 --> 00:00:20,610 And I'm John C. Dvorak in sunny. Northern California. 6 00:00:20,639 --> 00:00:23,639 You've been having a great week isn't been like in the mid 70s. 7 00:00:23,669 --> 00:00:24,719 All week so far. 8 00:00:25,260 --> 00:00:27,780 It's 70 for a couple of days. 9 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,590 Beautiful, man. Now it's been it's been dreary here. It really 10 00:00:31,590 --> 00:00:32,550 has no good. 11 00:00:32,579 --> 00:00:35,129 Well, if it makes you feel any better. It's supposed to rain 12 00:00:35,129 --> 00:00:35,759 this weekend. 13 00:00:36,299 --> 00:00:38,639 Love oh, what? And I'm not even coming to the city. I mean, 14 00:00:38,639 --> 00:00:40,049 that's when it's supposed to rain when I 15 00:00:40,050 --> 00:00:43,680 come. Yeah, no, I they decided that. Maybe you are coming. You 16 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:44,940 don't know it. Yeah, that's true. 17 00:00:45,300 --> 00:00:49,650 What the hell do I know? Well, I guess not. Dude, what happened 18 00:00:49,650 --> 00:00:50,610 to Ziff Davis? 19 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:53,400 What happened? 20 00:00:53,729 --> 00:00:55,439 They filed for Chapter 11. 21 00:00:56,820 --> 00:01:01,410 Well, that's, you know, something that's been you know, 22 00:01:01,470 --> 00:01:06,270 they've been on and off to do that for last five years. What 23 00:01:06,270 --> 00:01:11,130 was interesting to me is we had we they caught, at least with 24 00:01:11,130 --> 00:01:13,860 me, they they caught up with all our payments. 25 00:01:15,569 --> 00:01:17,729 I'm sure that was interesting to you. 26 00:01:19,230 --> 00:01:22,530 Hmm. It was kind of a surprise. So I figured something screwy 27 00:01:22,530 --> 00:01:26,430 was going on? I don't know. I'm not I don't know the whole story 28 00:01:26,430 --> 00:01:29,820 yet. Okay, well, they're still they're still in business. It's 29 00:01:29,820 --> 00:01:32,070 just it's, you know, it's not like they're shutting down right 30 00:01:32,070 --> 00:01:32,250 now. 31 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,770 Because, you know, I can say that we've certainly gazpacho 32 00:01:34,770 --> 00:01:36,930 has been talking to him. We're trying to put a deal together. 33 00:01:36,930 --> 00:01:38,970 And I was just like, you know, it's kind of surprising. It's 34 00:01:38,970 --> 00:01:42,720 like, Oh, okay. I presume I don't know much about chapter 35 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,320 11. At least not the US version. I know about other versions. 36 00:01:47,910 --> 00:01:52,620 But chapter 11, basically freezes the companies 37 00:01:53,820 --> 00:01:59,430 essentially puts the company into into a kind of an oversight 38 00:01:59,430 --> 00:02:01,710 group picks the, you know, takes a look, and they don't want to 39 00:02:01,710 --> 00:02:04,290 pay their bills for a while. Right. So that's kind of so they 40 00:02:04,290 --> 00:02:07,140 refinance, essentially. Hopefully, I mean, they airlines 41 00:02:07,140 --> 00:02:10,710 have done this numerous times. And at some time, you know, 42 00:02:10,710 --> 00:02:12,510 publishing companies, I don't know how many of them come out 43 00:02:12,510 --> 00:02:15,420 of it. Well, but we'll see. 44 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,800 So, obviously, you know, chapter 11, was, you know, some kind of, 45 00:02:21,150 --> 00:02:24,000 you know, to protect the assets, I guess, but that doesn't mean 46 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,850 the company can't do businesses regular, right, we can still do 47 00:02:26,850 --> 00:02:28,590 a deal with these guys. So I think we actually would 48 00:02:28,590 --> 00:02:29,850 contribute and help them. 49 00:02:30,569 --> 00:02:32,639 Yeah, no, I think actually, you're in a better position now. 50 00:02:33,420 --> 00:02:39,420 Good. Okay. Excellent. Excellent, excellent. Hey, you 51 00:02:39,420 --> 00:02:44,040 know, so you sent me something. Excuse me, but I think I should 52 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,640 say, by the way, today is Thursday, March 6, when we're 53 00:02:47,670 --> 00:02:51,420 recording this. And I actually thought for a few moments, while 54 00:02:51,420 --> 00:02:53,310 I was making some tea, you know, maybe we should just wait until 55 00:02:53,310 --> 00:02:56,010 tomorrow to release it. But I'm thinking, yeah, something could 56 00:02:56,010 --> 00:02:59,490 happen overnight. We should release it today. I'm sure you 57 00:02:59,490 --> 00:03:00,180 agree, John. 58 00:03:01,110 --> 00:03:03,720 Yeah, well, I know why you edge is easier. 59 00:03:04,499 --> 00:03:09,749 It's just being easier. No, no, no, no. But so we have 60 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,520 no talent, no work, no agenda and no hassle. 61 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,590 No hassle, more money, less work. That's my motto for 2008. 62 00:03:22,140 --> 00:03:26,550 We got we got to let's just just get into it. Let's you have 63 00:03:26,550 --> 00:03:28,170 something you want to talk about. Right off the bat. You 64 00:03:28,170 --> 00:03:30,750 want to just hear one or two of these? Well, 65 00:03:30,750 --> 00:03:33,240 you know, I think we got a lot of feedback on our last show. 66 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,620 And I think it seems to me that people really jacked up about 67 00:03:37,650 --> 00:03:39,420 about us talking about tea. 68 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:44,250 Oh, yes. Oh, dude. Oh, dude, I think I did get at least one 69 00:03:44,250 --> 00:03:47,790 consistent piece of feedback, which is about the milk you 70 00:03:47,790 --> 00:03:50,790 want. This is about 50 seconds. So let me just play this for 71 00:03:50,790 --> 00:03:52,440 you. It makes sense. 72 00:03:52,710 --> 00:03:55,500 Hi, Adam. And John. This is a calling from South London. 73 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,500 First of all, I like it guy from Britain. Yeah, you already feel 74 00:03:58,500 --> 00:03:59,490 kind of right, don't you? 75 00:04:00,150 --> 00:04:02,310 Yeah, I love it. Here we go. Just interested 76 00:04:02,310 --> 00:04:06,060 in the conversation you had in the last no agenda about putting 77 00:04:06,060 --> 00:04:09,000 the milk in the tea first. The way I hear it is that's 78 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,330 traditionally an English thing. Possibly European in some cases, 79 00:04:12,330 --> 00:04:14,970 but mainly English and use the fact that back in the day, I 80 00:04:14,970 --> 00:04:18,300 guess 1700s We were really shifting and making porcelain. 81 00:04:18,660 --> 00:04:21,420 And so if you made tea without putting the milk in first the 82 00:04:21,420 --> 00:04:25,110 cups would crack or break. And that that's where the English 83 00:04:25,110 --> 00:04:28,110 tradition of putting the milk in the tea came from first. So you 84 00:04:28,110 --> 00:04:30,300 put it in the tea pot and then I guess pour it in the cup but 85 00:04:30,300 --> 00:04:34,350 with the milk in first February here and it's probably right. 86 00:04:34,350 --> 00:04:37,410 This seems to be the accepted wisdom over here. And so John's 87 00:04:37,410 --> 00:04:40,590 comment about no one over 30 Does it it's probably maybe it's 88 00:04:40,590 --> 00:04:44,610 making a revival or something. Okay, guys love the show. And I 89 00:04:44,610 --> 00:04:45,240 listened next week. 90 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,079 I got a lot of those. So that's 91 00:04:49,109 --> 00:04:52,319 how I got I got a couple of those myself and it actually 92 00:04:52,319 --> 00:04:56,819 does make some sense. Except for the fact that it makes less 93 00:04:56,819 --> 00:05:00,449 sense today, especially when people put the milk in And then 94 00:05:00,449 --> 00:05:03,269 they put a tea bag in it. And then they pour the water into 95 00:05:03,269 --> 00:05:05,279 the tea. You know, they've noticed, yeah, I can see where 96 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,069 you would put the milk in the thing and then brew it in a pot 97 00:05:08,069 --> 00:05:11,339 and then pour the brewed tea into the milk, but not to make 98 00:05:11,339 --> 00:05:15,989 the tea bag with the milk. No, no, which is what I groups been 99 00:05:15,989 --> 00:05:18,959 saying. Yeah. So so it's an abomination. 100 00:05:20,700 --> 00:05:25,230 But boy, people are passionate about their tea. Hmm. Over 101 00:05:25,230 --> 00:05:26,790 there, unbelievable. 102 00:05:26,850 --> 00:05:30,120 I also heard there was a somebody complaining that you 103 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:34,830 know that. In when I'm in England, I very rarely see a tea 104 00:05:34,830 --> 00:05:39,210 bag with us with a string and a label on it. And I think I'd be 105 00:05:39,210 --> 00:05:41,160 interesting to see if anybody knows the history of that 106 00:05:41,190 --> 00:05:43,620 particular phenomenon. I think it was Lipton. 107 00:05:44,550 --> 00:05:47,970 Who started with the Yeah, with the string in the holder. You 108 00:05:47,970 --> 00:05:48,270 mean? 109 00:05:48,780 --> 00:05:51,030 Yeah. The string of the little tag on the end? Yeah, it 110 00:05:51,029 --> 00:05:53,879 was probably made specifically for the US market. You know, 111 00:05:53,909 --> 00:05:57,359 that seems like a typical, maybe it's a US invention. Who knows? 112 00:05:57,359 --> 00:05:58,769 I'm sure someone patented it. 113 00:05:59,639 --> 00:06:03,269 Yeah, it definitely looks patentable. Now that having said 114 00:06:03,269 --> 00:06:07,019 that, I remember some years ago, I was in France. And they and I 115 00:06:07,019 --> 00:06:09,539 wish I could find this stuff again. But just because it was 116 00:06:09,539 --> 00:06:12,419 so cool. They and you've seen that you you'll see this 117 00:06:12,419 --> 00:06:15,599 actually in France, the tea they made you know, they have tea in 118 00:06:15,599 --> 00:06:18,059 bags and France and they do have the little string usually 119 00:06:18,059 --> 00:06:22,139 attached to it. But they the tea is always really weak. They 120 00:06:22,139 --> 00:06:24,749 don't you know, they're French are real tea drinkers by any 121 00:06:24,749 --> 00:06:27,959 means. Even though they have a couple of famous tea companies 122 00:06:27,959 --> 00:06:32,069 that you know, solar, expensive teas and a canister. But anyway, 123 00:06:32,069 --> 00:06:34,979 I saw this while I was at some hotel. And the tea came with 124 00:06:34,979 --> 00:06:39,059 this cup of tea bags in the tea bags themselves were made of a 125 00:06:39,059 --> 00:06:40,439 fine silk. 126 00:06:40,829 --> 00:06:45,389 Oh, yeah, no, I've I had those over here. There's a Ah, I 127 00:06:45,389 --> 00:06:47,339 forgot who makes it. There's a British brand that makes it with 128 00:06:47,339 --> 00:06:49,829 fine silk as well. That's I've seen that around. 129 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,900 So since then, I went to the Fancy Food Show in San Francisco 130 00:06:54,900 --> 00:07:00,030 a few times because we have a deli. And so I'm in I'm there. 131 00:07:00,030 --> 00:07:04,230 And then tea has become like a big deal at the Fancy Food Show. 132 00:07:04,230 --> 00:07:07,470 And there's all these companies that make these tea purveyors, 133 00:07:07,530 --> 00:07:10,440 you know, and again, it's not as good as PG Tips after this 134 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,280 stuff. But you know, they sell like individual little boxes 135 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,980 with a tea bag in a box. And it's unbelievable. I mean, 136 00:07:16,980 --> 00:07:21,990 anything to you know, just screw the public. And there's a bunch 137 00:07:21,990 --> 00:07:26,220 of tea companies, these high end, you know, hoity toity tea 138 00:07:26,220 --> 00:07:30,210 companies and they've got the tea that's in not silk, but some 139 00:07:30,210 --> 00:07:34,710 sort of a weird mesh plastic of some sort. That's the new high 140 00:07:34,710 --> 00:07:35,910 tech tea bag. 141 00:07:35,940 --> 00:07:40,020 Yeah, I've seen that too. Yeah, it's like a pyramid tea bag only 142 00:07:40,020 --> 00:07:40,320 it's 143 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,360 some of them. Some of them aren't, you know, there's a 144 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,510 variety of designs, there's a square one. 145 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:52,980 You know, I, this morning, I went to it's called the the job 146 00:07:52,980 --> 00:07:58,800 centre. I had to get the my National Insurance number, which 147 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,350 is equivalent to a social security number, because now I'm 148 00:08:01,350 --> 00:08:08,250 working at least partially on on the UK payroll. So as to be 149 00:08:08,250 --> 00:08:10,560 fair, you know, so it's not to get in trouble with the tax man, 150 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:18,180 etc. Her Majesty's customs and Revenue Service. And so you have 151 00:08:18,180 --> 00:08:20,550 to be interviewed, you know, because they're gonna see if 152 00:08:20,550 --> 00:08:23,850 they really think I'm the real deal, right? So this probably 153 00:08:23,850 --> 00:08:25,830 isn't intended specifically for, 154 00:08:27,149 --> 00:08:27,929 for me, 155 00:08:29,250 --> 00:08:31,290 you know, if you just look around the room was like, Okay, 156 00:08:31,290 --> 00:08:35,070 this is for immigrants who do not speak the language. But you 157 00:08:35,070 --> 00:08:37,260 know, you have to prove that you actually live at that address. 158 00:08:37,260 --> 00:08:43,860 And so I got, you know, what are the chances I got a young, not 159 00:08:43,860 --> 00:08:47,340 very good looking woman who had to do my interview. So with 160 00:08:47,340 --> 00:08:49,680 either like three cheating me look at my documentation, she 161 00:08:49,680 --> 00:08:52,500 was already stamped and stuff. But I'm talking to her and 162 00:08:52,500 --> 00:08:55,230 pretty soon the, the conversation turns to well, you 163 00:08:55,230 --> 00:08:57,540 know, I'm actually leaving, I bought a house in Spain. I'm 164 00:08:57,540 --> 00:08:59,730 like, well, that's interesting. You know, here, you are 165 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,870 interviewing me to come in and you're leaving. And all of her 166 00:09:03,870 --> 00:09:06,030 own accord. She brought up something that we've talked 167 00:09:06,030 --> 00:09:10,080 about a couple times on the show, that is now really focus 168 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,650 of the mainstream media here in the UK is the binge drinking. 169 00:09:14,550 --> 00:09:17,460 And yeah, and righteous thing, right. Now what so the 170 00:09:17,460 --> 00:09:20,520 government's response to this, I just wanted to revisit it, 171 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,910 because I know we have a lot of European and UK listeners, the 172 00:09:23,910 --> 00:09:30,600 government's response is to raise taxes on alcohol. And I'm 173 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,450 like, I mean, don't they understand that there's got to 174 00:09:33,450 --> 00:09:36,450 be a root cause and even this girl was saying, you know, oh, 175 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,420 in Spain, it's like, you know, people drink but it's not off 176 00:09:39,420 --> 00:09:43,050 your face. And in America, she says, You have to be 21. And 177 00:09:43,050 --> 00:09:45,300 you'll know and people don't mess around with that. And you 178 00:09:45,300 --> 00:09:48,270 don't see people well, maybe frat parties and college here, 179 00:09:48,270 --> 00:09:52,020 but that's kind of what you're supposed to do there. But you 180 00:09:52,020 --> 00:09:54,750 know, other countries around the world, it just doesn't happen. 181 00:09:54,750 --> 00:09:57,450 It's something really British and she came right out. She 182 00:09:57,450 --> 00:10:00,570 said, You know, there's something much different going 183 00:10:00,570 --> 00:10:03,690 wrong here has nothing to do with the cost or availability of 184 00:10:03,690 --> 00:10:09,360 alcohol. And I don't hear anyone standing up and saying that's 185 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:10,140 horse crap. 186 00:10:12,150 --> 00:10:15,300 You mean used to saying what's worse scrap the fact that the 187 00:10:15,330 --> 00:10:16,650 judge is going to tax it? Yeah, 188 00:10:16,650 --> 00:10:20,010 just just, you know, it's a higher tax, in fact, so they've 189 00:10:20,010 --> 00:10:23,550 done some statistics, never since they opened up the pub 190 00:10:23,550 --> 00:10:26,640 hours to go past 11 o'clock, or whatever they used to close 191 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,600 really early. And now it's 24 hour a day licence. And, you 192 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,500 know, so alcohol related crime, I believe, has actually gone 193 00:10:34,500 --> 00:10:36,600 down. I mean, there's all kinds of statistics that show that 194 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,450 that didn't really make any difference in the drinking 195 00:10:39,450 --> 00:10:41,820 behaviour and pattern, but because it got spread out, you 196 00:10:41,820 --> 00:10:45,030 know, people didn't start to go steal and trash stuff at 1130, 197 00:10:45,030 --> 00:10:49,230 you know, when the pub was closed. But I don't hear anyone 198 00:10:49,230 --> 00:10:52,530 contradicting this idea that, you know, that's the problem 199 00:10:52,530 --> 00:10:56,280 solver is taxes. It's, you know, it's this country's asleep over 200 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,370 here, John, it's really surprising to me, that this 201 00:10:59,370 --> 00:11:04,500 country of so called stiff upper lip Brits who, who I think 202 00:11:04,500 --> 00:11:07,560 really like to live their own lives and live free, you know, 203 00:11:07,560 --> 00:11:08,970 they're suppressed man, it's 204 00:11:11,610 --> 00:11:13,770 it brings up a couple interesting points, first of 205 00:11:13,770 --> 00:11:22,260 all, back in the in the day, or during, you know, a blitz a 206 00:11:22,260 --> 00:11:25,800 couple 100 years ago, I mean, the Brits were well known for 207 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:31,560 drinking too much. I mean, the the problem with gin is even, 208 00:11:31,560 --> 00:11:34,830 you know, even crops up in history books, when it 209 00:11:34,830 --> 00:11:39,630 shouldn't. And if you look at all the Hogarth etchings, he 210 00:11:39,630 --> 00:11:47,370 would ridicule the English for its kind of drunkenness. So, I 211 00:11:47,370 --> 00:11:50,400 mean, I don't know, if there's something that goes back, I 212 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,340 think maybe it's just, it's just returning. And the other thing 213 00:11:53,340 --> 00:11:56,670 is, the image Americans have of the British is not quite the 214 00:11:56,670 --> 00:11:59,610 same as a lot of other people's overall image and and what I 215 00:11:59,610 --> 00:12:03,120 wanted to cite, and I wish I had math to see if I can find a copy 216 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,840 of this clip that's on it might be on YouTube or someplace we 217 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:11,190 were watching. When I'm in Washington, we watch Canadian 218 00:12:11,190 --> 00:12:14,700 television, mostly. Because it's just not because it's 219 00:12:14,700 --> 00:12:19,440 necessarily better overall, but it's different. And one of the 220 00:12:19,470 --> 00:12:22,350 my favourite shows is this hour has 22 minutes, which is a 221 00:12:22,350 --> 00:12:28,290 comedy show that's been on CBC probably for decades. And they, 222 00:12:28,620 --> 00:12:31,590 they decided, they did a thing where they they're going to 223 00:12:31,590 --> 00:12:36,420 interview a couple of typical Brits. So they cut to the 224 00:12:36,420 --> 00:12:39,510 satellite to talk to these two people in their homes. And it's 225 00:12:39,510 --> 00:12:45,480 like, and they they portray them as you know, with a horrible fat 226 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:49,500 woman with teeth going every which way and blubbering about 227 00:12:49,500 --> 00:12:54,120 stuff and bashing her skinny, perverted husband who's like 228 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,970 hunched over and it's just like, you see that in this the image? 229 00:12:57,150 --> 00:13:01,080 We're watching this. My wife says, guy, this is sure not the 230 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,170 image the Americans have of the British, but this the way that 231 00:13:04,170 --> 00:13:08,610 Canadians see them. And, you know, so it's possible that 232 00:13:08,610 --> 00:13:12,630 we're all wrong. And you know, maybe the Canadian got it right. 233 00:13:12,870 --> 00:13:14,760 The Brits are just a mess. 234 00:13:14,790 --> 00:13:17,520 What's it what's the video you you want to reference? 235 00:13:18,210 --> 00:13:21,270 Well, I'm saying I'm wondering if that if this hour has 22 236 00:13:21,270 --> 00:13:25,350 minutes is up on YouTube ever? Because the show itself is worth 237 00:13:25,350 --> 00:13:28,260 watching in this particular episode. It has these these 238 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:29,100 English? 239 00:13:29,700 --> 00:13:32,190 Of course it does. Oh, yeah, of course it does. Of course, this 240 00:13:32,190 --> 00:13:35,160 on YouTube, did he kid me all the stolen shooters on YouTube? 241 00:13:35,190 --> 00:13:35,520 Hold on. 242 00:13:35,550 --> 00:13:38,850 So I have to find this particular thing, because it's a 243 00:13:38,850 --> 00:13:42,300 point of sociology. That's quite interesting. And then the 244 00:13:42,300 --> 00:13:44,640 Canadians would have, you know, they have a longer association 245 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:49,620 with the English. I'm sorry, that closer when we do for sure. 246 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,760 I mean, we just write you know, rouse them in 1776. And, you 247 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:58,290 know, never and we're not we, we have Americans typically have a 248 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:03,990 nostalgic view of the British, you know, you know, they drink 249 00:14:03,990 --> 00:14:06,900 tea, and the queen is kind of interesting. And, you know, they 250 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,370 have a royalty we don't have it's, it's peculiar. In fact, 251 00:14:11,370 --> 00:14:15,240 during the Civil War, or just before the Civil War that many 252 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,030 of the states in the South South Carolina in particular, were 253 00:14:18,030 --> 00:14:21,750 actually thinking about, you know, splitting from the UN and 254 00:14:21,750 --> 00:14:22,590 becoming a monarchy. 255 00:14:23,370 --> 00:14:25,230 Really, they wanted a king. 256 00:14:25,860 --> 00:14:28,080 Yeah, South Carolina in particular, they still have that 257 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,840 kind of attitude in that state. Yeah, they wanted to kill me. 258 00:14:31,890 --> 00:14:38,820 Oh, incoming email. I do. I made a horrible mistake of actually 259 00:14:38,850 --> 00:14:42,390 going to that YouTube video. crunched the bandwidth. I'm 260 00:14:42,390 --> 00:14:45,780 telling you man, these guides like the bandwidth in the UK 261 00:14:45,780 --> 00:14:46,680 sucks. 262 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:48,270 Sucks 263 00:14:48,780 --> 00:14:51,000 know what YouTube videos were out while on Skype? 264 00:14:51,210 --> 00:14:54,060 No, no, I I understand that but we had such a great connection. 265 00:14:54,060 --> 00:14:57,090 I thought maybe I just give it a shot. No, you're right. It's the 266 00:14:57,090 --> 00:14:59,460 same with the with the Dutch. You know the Dutch the 267 00:14:59,460 --> 00:15:02,850 perception The Dutch used to be windmills wouldn't shoes tulips, 268 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,170 and then somewhere probably say in the 70s towards the end of 269 00:15:07,170 --> 00:15:11,880 the 70s certainly after John and Yoko spent a week in bed in the 270 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:16,650 Amsterdam Hilton, it kind of became known for hippie 271 00:15:16,650 --> 00:15:19,140 paradise. You remember the hippies sitting around Damn, 272 00:15:19,140 --> 00:15:23,460 squab damp the damn monument, right. hookers and drugs and now 273 00:15:23,460 --> 00:15:25,980 it's hookers and drugs. Absolutely. And you never hear 274 00:15:25,980 --> 00:15:28,260 anyone about wouldn't shoes anymore. If you know if you ask 275 00:15:28,260 --> 00:15:31,200 a kid at school, you know, ask a fifth grader you know, Holland 276 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,470 hookers and drugs, you know, no more wouldn't choose. And they 277 00:15:34,470 --> 00:15:35,160 still use them. 278 00:15:36,540 --> 00:15:38,910 Actually, when I was in the last time I was in Amsterdam, one of 279 00:15:38,910 --> 00:15:41,370 the things I went to do some long street I can't remember the 280 00:15:41,370 --> 00:15:43,740 name of it, but it's a huge shopping street 281 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:45,750 call from the other call for 282 00:15:46,830 --> 00:15:50,040 huge addicts miles. It's the only other one in the world that 283 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,380 I've been to that says impressive in terms of it's just 284 00:15:52,380 --> 00:15:58,080 length of one street for shopping, is in Beijing, there's 285 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:02,130 a street that's dead probably even longer. And it's wider. 286 00:16:02,130 --> 00:16:06,600 It's huge. It's this big, giant shops at least a with place it 287 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,970 goes on for forever. I never could get to the end of it. 288 00:16:09,660 --> 00:16:14,040 Anyway, yeah. So I'm shopping in this street and going looking 289 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:18,540 for some shoes. And so I found some fun, you know, there's 290 00:16:18,540 --> 00:16:23,160 some, some shop I went into, and I did some really cool looking 291 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,880 pair of shoes. And I figured by didn't quite fit right. But the 292 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:28,710 guy gave me a lecture. So well, you know, this was one of the 293 00:16:28,710 --> 00:16:34,350 last two shoe companies left in Holland that made the shoes and 294 00:16:34,350 --> 00:16:37,110 he went on and on with a lament about how many shoe companies 295 00:16:37,110 --> 00:16:39,480 are used to me and I guess this goes back to the wooden shoe 296 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,870 days. He said that I guess there were hundreds at one point here 297 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,750 and they've all consolidated down to like one or two and 298 00:16:45,750 --> 00:16:46,830 they're about to go broke. 299 00:16:47,070 --> 00:16:50,520 Well, and that's also part of a larger gripe in the Netherlands 300 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,940 is that they you know, they've been saying for maybe 15 or 20 301 00:16:53,940 --> 00:16:57,690 years you know, the government has basically put Holland into 302 00:16:57,690 --> 00:17:03,750 the into the into the storefront window. Everything has been sold 303 00:17:03,780 --> 00:17:06,720 they don't make anything new we were complaining about America 304 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,990 they don't make anything there was nothing being produced in 305 00:17:09,990 --> 00:17:15,510 Holland anymore nothing zero you know except well banking and 306 00:17:15,510 --> 00:17:20,250 that just got sold ABN AMRO, you know, sold to what was that? 307 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:21,030 Barclays? 308 00:17:21,989 --> 00:17:23,189 I don't know. I didn't follow that. 309 00:17:23,220 --> 00:17:26,340 Yeah, so that was kind of like the last thing the Netherlands 310 00:17:26,340 --> 00:17:30,690 has. And you know, and there's just no more industry there. And 311 00:17:31,110 --> 00:17:36,480 it used to be a very industrious trading based nation. No longer 312 00:17:38,940 --> 00:17:43,050 I don't know what to tell you. Nothing. So I don't really 313 00:17:43,829 --> 00:17:47,759 care. I don't know why these countries believe I guess you 314 00:17:47,759 --> 00:17:51,029 know, they're all locked into this internationalism globalism 315 00:17:51,029 --> 00:17:55,829 and they believe that they can get the all their products 316 00:17:55,859 --> 00:17:58,439 elsewhere cheaper in such a way that they never have to worry 317 00:17:58,439 --> 00:18:00,599 about ever making them again, but gee, if some of you know 318 00:18:00,599 --> 00:18:06,029 that Hitler cropped up in you know, in this day and age to 319 00:18:06,029 --> 00:18:08,249 would be easy to do these countries would be a walkover 320 00:18:08,249 --> 00:18:09,959 they wouldn't have to have a blitzkrieg. 321 00:18:10,079 --> 00:18:12,989 No, oh, no, it would be. It would be very easy. The 322 00:18:12,989 --> 00:18:15,809 Netherlands Of course, in the Second World War capitulated 323 00:18:15,809 --> 00:18:19,889 within like five days, they gave up their three rifles and two 324 00:18:19,889 --> 00:18:20,669 bicycles. 325 00:18:21,629 --> 00:18:23,969 Well, more than two bicycles according to the Dutch, that's 326 00:18:23,969 --> 00:18:26,309 all they do. Is they still bitch about the fact that the bicycles 327 00:18:26,309 --> 00:18:27,239 are never returned? 328 00:18:27,569 --> 00:18:32,099 Yeah, they. God. That is, that is a joke. We don't make any 329 00:18:32,099 --> 00:18:37,439 more in Holland, John. That is, that is no longer valid, 330 00:18:37,439 --> 00:18:40,109 culturally speaking, not politically correct. 331 00:18:41,159 --> 00:18:42,959 Why when did that change? 332 00:18:43,349 --> 00:18:46,319 Um, well, as we all got got older, you know, I've dealt with 333 00:18:46,319 --> 00:18:49,289 lots of Germans my age, and you know, there's this great, the 334 00:18:49,289 --> 00:18:52,049 new Germans, I'll just call them, you know, the generation 335 00:18:52,049 --> 00:18:54,629 that has now grown up that was, you know, that didn't grow up. I 336 00:18:54,629 --> 00:18:57,389 grew up grew up whose parents were born during the Second 337 00:18:57,389 --> 00:19:01,799 World War. You know, they're very reliable in general that 338 00:19:01,799 --> 00:19:05,789 have to say, in business dealings. They're pretty 339 00:19:05,789 --> 00:19:08,879 reliable. They're, they're friendly. They're, you know, 340 00:19:08,879 --> 00:19:12,149 they do I like doing business with them. And they, culturally 341 00:19:12,149 --> 00:19:16,829 they're, they're quite rich, you know? So we just don't mess with 342 00:19:16,829 --> 00:19:18,929 them anymore. Because now they're just our good 343 00:19:18,929 --> 00:19:22,469 neighbours. And we you know, and by the way, what an economy you 344 00:19:22,469 --> 00:19:24,989 know, there's the Netherlands when Germany sneezes the 345 00:19:24,989 --> 00:19:26,849 Netherlands, you know, catches the cold. 346 00:19:27,839 --> 00:19:31,109 So the bicycle issue is, is off the table. 347 00:19:31,319 --> 00:19:36,179 Yeah, we do. We do not. What No, we do not say that anymore. No, 348 00:19:37,019 --> 00:19:37,409 no. 349 00:19:38,910 --> 00:19:42,030 No, not not funny anymore. We 350 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,760 I never thought it was supposed to be funny. I thought it was a 351 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,710 complaint. It was a legitimate complaint. 352 00:19:48,690 --> 00:19:55,050 I want my bicycle back. A couple other things that happened, not 353 00:19:55,050 --> 00:19:57,720 just the stealing of bikes, a couple of things went on 354 00:20:01,230 --> 00:20:03,660 See, actually so did you get to chat with me says we're talking. 355 00:20:03,810 --> 00:20:07,140 We're on this topic. Did you get that song I emailed you? Yes, I 356 00:20:07,140 --> 00:20:12,000 did. Play it interesting. Before you played I'm going to this I 357 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,790 ran into the song I was recording a, this is from a 358 00:20:14,790 --> 00:20:17,880 movie done in 1942. And a lot of people out there don't realise 359 00:20:18,300 --> 00:20:23,850 that. But if you don't realise that both the US England and 360 00:20:23,850 --> 00:20:29,670 most of the countries in World War Two in 1942, a lot of 361 00:20:29,670 --> 00:20:31,980 historians will say that we actually technically have 362 00:20:31,980 --> 00:20:34,650 already lost the war, the war was over, and the Germans were 363 00:20:34,650 --> 00:20:41,400 going to win everything. Okay, and, and so 9042, there was a 364 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,430 turn around, mainly because of the productivity of the American 365 00:20:45,090 --> 00:20:49,080 factories, where we were cranking out, I mean, we 366 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,080 Manchester discusses this in one of his books, and he has all the 367 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,330 stats, which I should blog one of these days because they're 368 00:20:54,330 --> 00:20:57,270 actually quite phenomenal. Whether it be like doing a ship 369 00:20:57,270 --> 00:20:58,470 a week kind of thing. 370 00:20:58,770 --> 00:21:03,000 And like, you know, 700 aircraft a month I mean, it was really 371 00:21:03,030 --> 00:21:03,990 high turnover 372 00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:07,530 or more. But anyway, there was a lot of they were cranking out a 373 00:21:07,530 --> 00:21:11,520 lot of stuff and then war turned around. And we ended up winning 374 00:21:11,550 --> 00:21:15,150 but that then 42 It wasn't clear that we're going to and so then 375 00:21:15,420 --> 00:21:18,030 so there was a bunch of interesting sociologies that 376 00:21:18,030 --> 00:21:20,400 took place during this period one of them that that fascinated 377 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,630 me was this song which is in a movie literally, you know, one 378 00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:29,370 of these war movies called in the movie was called Iceland and 379 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,630 I don't have the singers name but I think the band was Sammy 380 00:21:33,630 --> 00:21:37,560 Kay and and I found it interesting because this song is 381 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:43,170 essentially if you read between the lines, kind of making a 382 00:21:43,860 --> 00:21:45,510 don't even tell him don't even tell 383 00:21:45,510 --> 00:21:47,610 him Yeah, okay, well we'll listen to it and then we'll 384 00:21:47,610 --> 00:21:48,150 discuss it 385 00:21:56,069 --> 00:22:00,419 listen little lady gets the order wrong the day issued by 386 00:22:00,419 --> 00:22:07,379 the highest authority in the service simply can return to you 387 00:22:08,999 --> 00:22:17,339 must get priority. So if you're patriotically in the call 388 00:22:22,890 --> 00:22:32,220 you can say no to a soldier or sailor or you can say no with 389 00:22:32,220 --> 00:22:38,400 the wants to dance. If he's gonna fight to romance, get all 390 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:47,490 your lipstick and be beautiful and do your time man it's still 391 00:22:47,490 --> 00:22:53,190 okay. You can always get some in a sisterly way. Oh you can say 392 00:22:53,190 --> 00:23:09,300 no. No Your God when you can say no sailor or handsome he wants 393 00:23:09,300 --> 00:23:14,610 to he's gonna ride he's got a right to romance. Get out 394 00:23:23,069 --> 00:23:29,129 most submarines you can put a sweater on what Amy? Oh, you can 395 00:23:29,129 --> 00:23:35,249 say no no no, you better given 396 00:23:41,010 --> 00:23:41,610 yeah, 397 00:23:43,650 --> 00:23:48,840 that's basically saying Do your local servicemen so we can win 398 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:49,410 the war? 399 00:23:49,799 --> 00:23:53,729 Yeah, basically saying that, you know, let's do the whoring out 400 00:23:53,729 --> 00:23:59,699 the country because if you don't get you know, because you if you 401 00:23:59,699 --> 00:24:02,369 don't get get keep these guys happy, you know, you're gonna be 402 00:24:02,369 --> 00:24:06,209 stuck with, you know what you get in a war situation. Somebody 403 00:24:06,209 --> 00:24:06,899 else takes over. 404 00:24:06,930 --> 00:24:10,470 I have a rape. I really liked it where it was, you know, you can 405 00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:13,020 always kiss him in a sisterly way. I thought that was pretty 406 00:24:13,020 --> 00:24:14,730 funny. Yeah, 407 00:24:14,730 --> 00:24:16,710 there's also there's a couple of twists in there, you know, be 408 00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:18,060 beautiful and dutiful. 409 00:24:18,509 --> 00:24:21,299 And I got to try it tonight. Honey, you've got to be 410 00:24:21,299 --> 00:24:23,219 beautiful and dutiful to Me. 411 00:24:23,670 --> 00:24:28,050 And my, actually, my the really interesting little twisted 412 00:24:28,050 --> 00:24:30,150 phrase in there was you know, if he says it's cold in the 413 00:24:30,150 --> 00:24:33,030 submarine, you can get him a sweater. But that's not what he 414 00:24:33,030 --> 00:24:34,230 means. So 415 00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:38,400 I know I don't know. And then you got was it Popeye or Brutus 416 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:39,300 popping in there? 417 00:24:39,450 --> 00:24:42,060 Yeah, that guy. I can't remember his name. He's in a lot of 418 00:24:42,060 --> 00:24:43,140 movies from that era. 419 00:24:44,490 --> 00:24:49,110 He He's like an Ernest Borgnine type guy. But he's actually 420 00:24:49,139 --> 00:24:52,619 he was a character actor showed up here and there and he's in 421 00:24:52,619 --> 00:24:53,699 the beam movies mainly. 422 00:24:54,809 --> 00:24:57,149 That must be so that's part of a film you said. 423 00:24:57,690 --> 00:25:02,430 Yes. It's a it's a scene in the movie. Iceland, and they cut to 424 00:25:02,430 --> 00:25:05,490 this song. And I just thought it was interesting because it 425 00:25:05,490 --> 00:25:09,030 matched the year which is 1942, which is the year that we're 426 00:25:09,030 --> 00:25:09,660 losing 427 00:25:09,690 --> 00:25:11,250 the year you were born, of course. 428 00:25:11,609 --> 00:25:19,469 Yeah, no. And not that old. And it was a year we're losing. It 429 00:25:19,469 --> 00:25:21,389 sounded that there actually weren't a lot of people born 430 00:25:21,389 --> 00:25:22,439 that year because their most people were 431 00:25:22,829 --> 00:25:26,489 waiting. Was that before Pearl Harbour or post? No, that's 432 00:25:26,489 --> 00:25:29,939 after Pearl Harbour, right. Okay. So yeah, downer mood, for 433 00:25:29,939 --> 00:25:30,449 sure. 434 00:25:31,259 --> 00:25:35,489 And then the Hitler was, like, you know, beating everybody up. 435 00:25:35,879 --> 00:25:40,829 And so it was a bad time. And I think a lot but the interesting 436 00:25:40,829 --> 00:25:43,349 part of the song, which is like telling these women to get out, 437 00:25:43,349 --> 00:25:52,499 you know, to get to work, having sex, I think essentially, it 438 00:25:52,499 --> 00:25:55,649 seems a bad thing, because this, this whole arrow is is 439 00:25:55,679 --> 00:26:00,989 completely, completely lost to, to anybody, today's generations, 440 00:26:00,989 --> 00:26:03,329 or the anybody. And as a matter of fact, I think it's kind of 441 00:26:04,410 --> 00:26:07,260 you mean, the general got general vibe and how people felt 442 00:26:07,260 --> 00:26:08,910 and what the what the, 443 00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:11,970 because we have like the, you know, these war efforts that you 444 00:26:11,970 --> 00:26:14,610 know, like the Vietnam War and all these insincere wars that 445 00:26:14,610 --> 00:26:17,730 we've been seemingly in and you never had this kind of thing 446 00:26:17,730 --> 00:26:20,520 where this was, this was actually a desperate situation 447 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,600 where we people had to do things. And I think the song 448 00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:28,860 reflects that in some way. That I don't think we'll ever see 449 00:26:28,860 --> 00:26:29,880 anything like it again. 450 00:26:29,910 --> 00:26:34,980 You know, where I still see that. On Gordon Ramsay's Kitchen 451 00:26:34,980 --> 00:26:38,910 Nightmares. Now, I'm telling you, they have there's two 452 00:26:38,910 --> 00:26:41,700 versions that are over here. There's the I know you watch it, 453 00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:45,690 John, I'm sure you've seen the show. So absolutely. So whenever 454 00:26:45,690 --> 00:26:50,490 he does, it's so different when he does a friend of French or 455 00:26:50,490 --> 00:26:52,920 British restaurant. And so for those who haven't seen the show, 456 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,650 essentially Gordon Ramsay, I'm sure you know him famous 457 00:26:55,650 --> 00:26:58,380 celebrity chefs as fuck a lot. Probably. That's why I'm drawn 458 00:26:58,380 --> 00:27:02,100 to him. But he's very powerful, intense guy. And he goes into 459 00:27:02,100 --> 00:27:04,830 these businesses and he tries to turn them around in well, of 460 00:27:04,830 --> 00:27:08,670 course, it's really one hour of television. But the idea is it's 461 00:27:08,670 --> 00:27:11,370 a couple of days in real time. I have no idea how long it takes 462 00:27:11,370 --> 00:27:13,530 him to shoot and then he goes back and visit them a couple 463 00:27:13,530 --> 00:27:15,510 months later to see how they're doing and these are all 464 00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:18,480 restaurants on the brink of failure. But once again last 465 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,110 night they were doing an Irish Pub in I think it was Florida 466 00:27:22,110 --> 00:27:24,990 you know ex cop took his pension, you know, family 467 00:27:24,990 --> 00:27:26,040 business complete. 468 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,360 It's always a sad story. 469 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,569 It's Oh, it's it's heart wrenching. You know, it's just 470 00:27:30,569 --> 00:27:33,509 like ripping it right out, you know, but then when you get the 471 00:27:33,509 --> 00:27:36,389 Americans when when Gordon Ramsay lays into these 472 00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:38,939 restaurant tours, and as often the chef or the owner, it's 473 00:27:38,939 --> 00:27:43,049 usually the owner you know, in the in the European versions is 474 00:27:43,049 --> 00:27:45,839 like, you know, who the fuck do you think you are Gordon Ramsay 475 00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:50,099 man. Yeah, that's the French guy. Exactly. But with the 476 00:27:50,099 --> 00:27:53,339 American version, it's like, gotten to the top of his game, 477 00:27:53,339 --> 00:27:56,549 man, you know, he's the top, he's motivated me, I've opened 478 00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:59,039 up again, I've learned how to love what I'm doing with 479 00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:01,229 passion, we're gonna go kick some ass. And you know, and I'm 480 00:28:01,229 --> 00:28:04,199 like, and I sit there and I get goosebumps. And I think that's 481 00:28:04,199 --> 00:28:08,819 it. That is the definition of the American spirit. And I think 482 00:28:08,819 --> 00:28:13,019 it was probably the same thing in 42. But you still see it in 483 00:28:13,019 --> 00:28:14,279 situations like that. 484 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,049 Ya know, there's, I, I watched both versions two, because we 485 00:28:19,049 --> 00:28:23,219 get BBC America and the Dish Network. And they show the 486 00:28:23,249 --> 00:28:26,909 British versions of the Gordon Ramsay show on their usually 487 00:28:26,909 --> 00:28:29,729 they show him in a bunch of them in a series like the devil do a 488 00:28:29,729 --> 00:28:31,829 weekend, it'll be like 10 in a row. So 489 00:28:31,980 --> 00:28:35,010 we're staying in the catalogue. 490 00:28:35,849 --> 00:28:39,359 So while you can record them, but anyway, the and you and the 491 00:28:39,359 --> 00:28:42,599 contrast between the American version and the European 492 00:28:42,599 --> 00:28:45,659 version, or the British version is exactly what you say, which 493 00:28:45,659 --> 00:28:49,889 is the Americans tend to be more amenable to consultants, which 494 00:28:49,889 --> 00:28:54,119 is what he comes in. And that you know, he's and then they 495 00:28:54,119 --> 00:28:56,969 listen, and they and they try to adapt and they once in a while 496 00:28:56,969 --> 00:28:59,009 they try they get into a little beef, but a lot of that you 497 00:28:59,009 --> 00:29:02,639 wonder is this sometimes a semi artificial because I don't think 498 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,350 it's the editing. Oh, no, it's 499 00:29:04,350 --> 00:29:06,450 totally the yeah, there's a lot of editing because like the 500 00:29:06,450 --> 00:29:09,180 reality TV where this you know, it's a lot of it's fake. You 501 00:29:09,180 --> 00:29:09,540 mean like, 502 00:29:09,570 --> 00:29:12,960 you just have people looking, you know, with the acquisitive 503 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:13,710 expressions. 504 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,430 I can see the director saying can you just drove down? 505 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,370 slow that down a little bit? You know what, let's add a boiling 506 00:29:20,370 --> 00:29:25,620 sound effect here. Yeah. Here's my other favourite. That's what 507 00:29:25,620 --> 00:29:29,550 you do. When animals twist head looking in amazement at Crazy 508 00:29:29,550 --> 00:29:31,080 humans add sound effect. 509 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,880 So and but then when you go to the British for the British 510 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,340 version of the show, and they and he goes to France often and 511 00:29:38,340 --> 00:29:40,980 he goes all over the place. He was in Paris and you know, some 512 00:29:41,010 --> 00:29:44,520 expat was there trying to open a place and they they're, they 513 00:29:44,550 --> 00:29:48,120 they're more sensitive. They don't like being told what to 514 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,000 do. They don't they're not into consultants, so much like 515 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,080 Americans, we you know, kind of like a consultant culture. And 516 00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:59,160 they they they reject the guy and they get into these huge 517 00:29:59,220 --> 00:30:03,030 arguments that It's actually highly entertaining but 90% of 518 00:30:03,030 --> 00:30:05,760 the time it's you know, it's just a bunch of a holes yelling 519 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:06,450 at each other. 520 00:30:07,649 --> 00:30:12,239 Yeah. What's the difference between that and boxing or 521 00:30:12,719 --> 00:30:14,699 football or soccer? 522 00:30:15,539 --> 00:30:17,909 Yeah, well, there's none. No people always want to see that. 523 00:30:18,629 --> 00:30:19,859 Yeah, it's entertaining. 524 00:30:20,189 --> 00:30:23,609 By the way not to be outdone, John by your song, I did a 525 00:30:23,609 --> 00:30:26,369 little bit of research and I think I came up with the 2008 526 00:30:26,369 --> 00:30:29,639 version of that song. Want to hear it? 527 00:30:30,090 --> 00:30:30,870 Yeah, let's go. 528 00:30:35,220 --> 00:30:40,770 jugs and orbs and darts and guards. Elma birds and bouncing 529 00:30:40,770 --> 00:30:45,630 Buddha's sweater stretchers, lung protectors, beach, 530 00:30:45,630 --> 00:30:50,820 umbrellas, frost detectors, Scooby snacks and Snake Eyes, 531 00:30:50,820 --> 00:30:57,330 dice, jello, molten high beam lights. Every day, I probably 532 00:30:57,330 --> 00:31:04,410 use 99 words. But you'd appreciate that 533 00:31:04,410 --> 00:31:07,860 one. Yeah, that's, that is a good example of the difference 534 00:31:07,860 --> 00:31:12,690 between 9042 and today where you have kind of a juvenile attitude 535 00:31:12,690 --> 00:31:13,410 about everything. 536 00:31:14,819 --> 00:31:17,249 I'm sorry, I can't help my say some of the podsafe Music 537 00:31:17,249 --> 00:31:20,879 Network. 99 words for boobs. It's just it's it's a beautiful 538 00:31:20,879 --> 00:31:21,929 thing, man. Come on. 539 00:31:22,829 --> 00:31:24,509 Yeah, no, I'm downloading. No. 540 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,040 No, don't do that. It'll ruin our Skype connection. Hey, dude 541 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:34,800 in the paper today. Rumour and word is now out. I have a 542 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,230 feeling it's a trial balloon because it was almost like 543 00:31:37,260 --> 00:31:39,990 orchestrated. I'm seeing it across everything I'm going to 544 00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:43,110 tell you, including my favourite newspaper, The Financial Times. 545 00:31:44,130 --> 00:31:47,190 Looks like the EU is going to approve the Google DoubleClick 546 00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:47,730 merger. 547 00:31:48,540 --> 00:31:51,930 Oh, and why shouldn't day? Well, you're always saying 548 00:31:51,930 --> 00:31:56,640 that they're, you know, that nearly cruces out to out to stop 549 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,590 all the big American companies? 550 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,450 Yeah, no, I think but I don't think that this is a would be a 551 00:32:03,450 --> 00:32:08,070 good example. Because the it's not like there's it's going to 552 00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:10,980 create a monopoly or anything. I mean, it's been around forever. 553 00:32:10,980 --> 00:32:15,120 And with just a service company. The deal is this. 554 00:32:15,149 --> 00:32:19,739 Well, no, the deal is, first of all, the advertising agencies, 555 00:32:19,739 --> 00:32:23,969 the media buying agencies are flipping out over this. Because 556 00:32:24,959 --> 00:32:28,199 they're now figuring out, especially with this piece from 557 00:32:29,069 --> 00:32:33,269 adding this strapping on double click that Google is the buyer 558 00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:37,589 and the seller that they can no longer that media agencies can 559 00:32:37,589 --> 00:32:41,369 no longer really influenced price. So they're really 560 00:32:41,369 --> 00:32:45,209 freaking out over this. The second thing is, of course, 561 00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:49,889 privacy. I think that's what it was under scrutiny for most is 562 00:32:49,919 --> 00:32:53,819 now that you if you combine all the information Google has on 563 00:32:53,819 --> 00:32:58,919 you. With DoubleClick cookie information, I believe that's 564 00:32:58,919 --> 00:33:02,009 where people were worried that there were some privacy or 565 00:33:02,009 --> 00:33:03,869 potential for privacy issues. 566 00:33:05,460 --> 00:33:08,520 Yeah, I can see that. And I bet you 567 00:33:09,330 --> 00:33:12,600 take them on a case by case basis after the fact. I don't 568 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,140 think it's a big deal personally. Anyway, I'll tell 569 00:33:16,140 --> 00:33:19,050 you something screwy going on with Google the stock is way 570 00:33:19,050 --> 00:33:20,160 down. Yeah. Where's 571 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,740 it now? 400 from coming from seven to 400 572 00:33:22,770 --> 00:33:24,960 where it's in the 400 Some people were predicting it going 573 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,380 lower, lower. I'm not seeing that when I look at the charts, 574 00:33:28,380 --> 00:33:32,310 but I don't know. I mean, anything can happen. Anything 575 00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:36,510 can happen. I was 50 I seriously have heard 150 576 00:33:37,950 --> 00:33:41,280 B that would be a disaster. Yes. But anyway, so but one of the 577 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,510 things I've noticed is that my Google I test AdSense and by the 578 00:33:45,510 --> 00:33:48,690 way, when I was talking about scheming AdSense last week, I 579 00:33:48,690 --> 00:33:52,140 didn't mean that I meant scheming the Google advertising 580 00:33:52,140 --> 00:33:54,360 on the search engine page. I don't know how to scheme 581 00:33:54,360 --> 00:34:01,290 AdSense. Anyway, the backpedal, backpedal. The I noticed that my 582 00:34:01,290 --> 00:34:06,540 numbers on my blog, for example, are going way up. Okay, but the 583 00:34:06,780 --> 00:34:10,590 mound of money I'm getting from Google AdSense is going down. 584 00:34:10,620 --> 00:34:11,880 Sure, a lot. 585 00:34:12,750 --> 00:34:15,930 I had the same thing happen. It's ever since we started the 586 00:34:15,930 --> 00:34:16,560 show. 587 00:34:19,230 --> 00:34:24,060 I'm telling me, that could be it. But the numbers are going 588 00:34:24,060 --> 00:34:27,750 down to the point where I have some other tests on that page, 589 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,810 which which have actually stabilised or have gone up a 590 00:34:30,810 --> 00:34:33,870 little bit. Which indicates to me that is not that people 591 00:34:33,870 --> 00:34:36,990 aren't dealing with advertising online. It's that they're not 592 00:34:36,990 --> 00:34:39,780 that the Google stuff is becoming especially AdSense is 593 00:34:39,780 --> 00:34:42,210 becoming invisible. Yeah, 594 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,169 I've always believed that. The brain parses that out, you know, 595 00:34:46,169 --> 00:34:49,889 I frame the information on the page. I'm used to that. You 596 00:34:49,889 --> 00:34:53,219 know, I'm used to that as as an airman. I'm used to it as a disc 597 00:34:53,219 --> 00:34:56,099 jockey. I'm used to doing this right now. I'm looking at a 598 00:34:56,099 --> 00:34:59,249 screen and I know there's all kinds of stuff going on. I know 599 00:34:59,249 --> 00:35:02,099 honey, I'm actually Two screens, one above another. But I'm 600 00:35:02,099 --> 00:35:06,659 focused on you know, in the aircraft we call it the T scan, 601 00:35:06,659 --> 00:35:08,849 you know, when you're flying instruments is like you focusing 602 00:35:08,849 --> 00:35:13,049 on these eight instruments that are in a T formation on your on 603 00:35:13,049 --> 00:35:16,709 your panel. So why wouldn't the brain do that on a webpage? 604 00:35:17,550 --> 00:35:20,250 Obviously, it's doing it but I may have to move the ad 605 00:35:20,250 --> 00:35:22,170 someplace else, the 606 00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:23,729 insert back into the T scan. 607 00:35:25,230 --> 00:35:28,020 Just move it around, was you're supposed to do anyway because 608 00:35:28,020 --> 00:35:30,240 you know, I think you're right, because I was noticing it 609 00:35:30,270 --> 00:35:36,180 myself. I was on the web page the other day. And I was I went 610 00:35:36,180 --> 00:35:39,510 to something else. And I decided to do the old test about what a 611 00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:42,000 great ad I you know, people say, Wow, I saw this great ad, it was 612 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,800 unbelievable is the funniest thing I've ever seen. And you 613 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,100 ask what was what was the ad for? Yeah, exactly. And they go, 614 00:35:47,100 --> 00:35:52,860 I don't remember. I don't know. And I, I realised that I haven't 615 00:35:52,860 --> 00:35:58,710 been seeing what's on those. Those ads for a couple of months 616 00:35:58,710 --> 00:36:00,390 now. Yeah. 617 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,110 I always look at the top of my weblog because I'm always 618 00:36:04,110 --> 00:36:07,320 interested. And I saw it go from, you know, because I do 619 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:12,420 test to you know, there's a there's a retail a big box 620 00:36:12,420 --> 00:36:14,700 retail outlet over here called curries. I'm sure you've heard 621 00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:18,870 of that? Oh, yeah. And so curry.com, you know, and lo and 622 00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:23,460 behold, there's probably 2600 Search hits. So we're looking 623 00:36:23,460 --> 00:36:27,780 for curries every single day. And so I started, you know, 624 00:36:27,780 --> 00:36:31,140 putting links in there to, you know, the stuff that you know, 625 00:36:31,140 --> 00:36:34,770 like, want to buy a TV set. Buy it from me. 626 00:36:36,989 --> 00:36:41,039 Yeah, and no, no, no, no, can't have that right now. 627 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:49,140 And essentially, you know, you do see stuff change over time. 628 00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:55,560 But, you know, that's really only because that's a part of my 629 00:36:55,590 --> 00:36:58,620 daily scan that I'm really interested in seeing what words 630 00:36:58,620 --> 00:37:02,160 have appeared there. But otherwise, Man, I ain't nothing. 631 00:37:02,430 --> 00:37:05,520 And it didn't wasn't our survey about banner ads, you know, the 632 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,920 punch the monkey stuff. It's essentially guys punching the 633 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,220 monkey isn't that turns out that that's what banner ad clickers 634 00:37:11,220 --> 00:37:11,580 are. 635 00:37:13,170 --> 00:37:16,650 Yeah, there's, there's some issues. I think that's one of 636 00:37:16,650 --> 00:37:18,840 them. I mean, the banner ad thing, you know, that's why I've 637 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,380 seen it seen it is a company responsible for inventing a lot 638 00:37:22,380 --> 00:37:25,080 of these these initiatives, including banner ads, and that 639 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,530 big square box. It's now in the middle of everything. They did 640 00:37:28,530 --> 00:37:33,000 that and the I don't think they responsible for that. The most 641 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,030 annoying ads, which is the thing that the flash ad that comes 642 00:37:36,030 --> 00:37:38,100 crawling across the screen? Yeah, I don't 643 00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:42,780 think that's flash. I think that's that's Ajax stuff, I 644 00:37:42,780 --> 00:37:43,260 think, 645 00:37:43,620 --> 00:37:49,680 could be whatever the case is annoying. And there's a Yeah, so 646 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,810 these guys are desperate for coming up with something. But I 647 00:37:51,810 --> 00:37:54,450 think Google may have some issues here. If I'm if these 648 00:37:54,450 --> 00:37:58,440 numbers are correct, because I have a stat packages on the 649 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,890 server, I have stat packages on the pages. So I know what my 650 00:38:01,890 --> 00:38:06,510 numbers are. And when I get numbers, you know, or when I see 651 00:38:06,510 --> 00:38:09,840 Google having, you know, consistently not showing it, 652 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,660 then one of the things they do is I like to I don't know how 653 00:38:12,660 --> 00:38:14,700 they measure a lot of this stuff, since I put my Google 654 00:38:14,700 --> 00:38:17,790 stuff right at the top. But sometimes they won't give you 655 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,110 credit for a page view. And I'm thinking, here's what I'm 656 00:38:22,110 --> 00:38:26,940 thinking. I've noticed that as my numbers increase, the Google 657 00:38:26,940 --> 00:38:29,880 numbers kind of stay the same, or even go down a little bit to 658 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,120 make the to make the click per page number look a little 659 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,920 better. Because the total income from the Google AdSense is 660 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,940 actually retreating, and to make themselves look at least look a 661 00:38:41,940 --> 00:38:45,540 little more effective. There's something screwy going on. And I 662 00:38:45,540 --> 00:38:49,110 don't think I'm the only one seeing this. And I think it's 663 00:38:49,110 --> 00:38:52,710 being reflected in the in the stock going down the way it is. 664 00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:55,320 I mean, somebody's got to I mean, there's something going on 665 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:55,890 that screwy? 666 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,900 Well, I think there's a couple things going on. So first of 667 00:38:57,900 --> 00:39:02,760 all, I believe you're right on all counts. On the parsing of of 668 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,630 ads on a page, I think people have gotten used to that. I 669 00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:09,600 agree with what you're saying about, you know, the the page 670 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:15,450 counts. general fatigue, as well, you've got to take that 671 00:39:15,450 --> 00:39:18,660 into account. But you know, these guys are, I think they're 672 00:39:18,660 --> 00:39:21,570 really desperate at trying to figure a lot of this stuff out. 673 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,470 And, you know, there's, I don't know, if you've ever ventured 674 00:39:25,470 --> 00:39:29,550 into the hidden groups of SEO SEM, you know, there's, there's 675 00:39:29,550 --> 00:39:32,880 all kinds of places where these real experts who are making 676 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,600 millions of dollars, you know, congeal and they all have, you 677 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,620 know, names like, Dark Dragon and stuff like that. Moody 678 00:39:40,620 --> 00:39:42,810 actually does a lot of that stuff, you know, moody from from 679 00:39:42,810 --> 00:39:46,740 our office. And, you know, it's there's a lot there's a lot 680 00:39:46,740 --> 00:39:51,420 going on that that we just not privy to a but that we're not 681 00:39:51,420 --> 00:39:55,380 even it's not even on our radar. And yeah, I think there is I 682 00:39:55,380 --> 00:39:57,720 think there was a scramble, a scramble to figure it out. It 683 00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:01,410 has to do with PageRank and has to do with that Have a multitude 684 00:40:01,410 --> 00:40:07,170 of different factors and weights and balances that really tweaked 685 00:40:07,170 --> 00:40:10,650 their system. And by the way, their systems in general have 686 00:40:10,650 --> 00:40:13,710 been a bit shaky the past few days. I've had Gmail problems. 687 00:40:13,710 --> 00:40:16,800 We've had Google Group problems. We've had calendar problems, 688 00:40:16,860 --> 00:40:20,880 Gmail reader problems, you know, files uploading and then 689 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,030 disappearing. There's there's definitely something going on. 690 00:40:25,230 --> 00:40:29,070 Well, it's not good, whatever it is. It's not productive for the 691 00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:32,760 course. You know, one of your companies that you had a early 692 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,640 investment and it made you a wealthy person has decided to 693 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,550 change your entire mouth about ask.com To 694 00:40:39,210 --> 00:40:41,160 Ask Jeeves is what I invested is to 695 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,710 be asked Jeeves, which I always thought was a cute idea, except 696 00:40:43,710 --> 00:40:46,950 for the fact that it didn't work. But I liked the name. Ask 697 00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:49,710 Jeeves. It's kind of cute, but then they changed it. 698 00:40:49,739 --> 00:40:54,449 We know what to ask, you know, what happened is a guy who kind 699 00:40:54,449 --> 00:40:56,909 of like a friend, you know, he was a guy who almost became a 700 00:40:56,909 --> 00:41:00,389 client at think new ideas. And then we kind of stayed in touch 701 00:41:00,389 --> 00:41:02,249 and he was out in LA. And he called me one day and he said, 702 00:41:02,249 --> 00:41:05,249 Dude, I'm looking for, you know, a little bit of cash, you know, 703 00:41:05,249 --> 00:41:07,949 it's gonna be the last round is his company. There's certainly 704 00:41:07,949 --> 00:41:10,679 no there was no Google. AltaVista, I think was the 705 00:41:10,679 --> 00:41:15,839 search engine at the time. And it's it look, I got $50,000 706 00:41:15,839 --> 00:41:18,449 That's all I have. I really can't invest more than that. He 707 00:41:18,449 --> 00:41:22,829 said, No, no, man, it's perfect. And that was pre IPO. And that 708 00:41:22,829 --> 00:41:25,859 had for those for those who won't, who don't remember or 709 00:41:25,859 --> 00:41:29,879 don't know, they had a spectacular initial public 710 00:41:29,879 --> 00:41:34,949 offering. And it was based on nothing. I think at the end of 711 00:41:34,949 --> 00:41:39,119 the day, it was based on a cute branded character. Interesting 712 00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:45,419 name. And so now they're there. I you know, I heard the hurt was 713 00:41:45,419 --> 00:41:48,569 on cranky geeks. I think I saw you guys talking about how 714 00:41:48,569 --> 00:41:51,599 they've read the how they're supposedly now. Fritos, cranky? 715 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,529 Yeah, you're focusing on married women who have a household to 716 00:41:55,529 --> 00:41:57,629 run and need help in their life. 717 00:41:58,350 --> 00:42:03,150 Yeah, that's what it that's what actually was the was what the 718 00:42:03,150 --> 00:42:04,710 Associated Press reported. 719 00:42:05,010 --> 00:42:07,830 It's interesting, because I hadn't looked at asked in a long 720 00:42:07,830 --> 00:42:10,860 time. And so I, you know, I went around to first thing I entered 721 00:42:10,860 --> 00:42:12,270 was like cooking recipes. 722 00:42:13,350 --> 00:42:16,230 But yeah, that's funny, because as soon as I read, that's the 723 00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:18,510 first thing I did, too. As soon as they made this announcement, 724 00:42:18,510 --> 00:42:22,680 I went to it immediately to try it. And you know what, it's not 725 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:23,160 bad. 726 00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:26,220 No, I was just about to say, isn't this exactly what mahalo 727 00:42:26,220 --> 00:42:29,580 is supposed to be? I mean, it has references to other other 728 00:42:29,580 --> 00:42:32,100 chefs, you know, so actually, it was like, you might want to look 729 00:42:32,100 --> 00:42:35,220 at Jamie Oliver or Nigella or, you know, and because I knew was 730 00:42:35,220 --> 00:42:39,750 in the UK, so it's gonna be UK results. it real nice. While 731 00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:42,630 you're typing stuff starts to pop up. I love that, you know, 732 00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:46,080 pre search where it's already giving you ideas and the 733 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,830 possibility to turn it off. I mean, yeah, it actually looked. 734 00:42:49,950 --> 00:42:51,210 Oh, hold on a second. 735 00:42:52,469 --> 00:42:58,499 Oh, man. Are you there, John? Boy, hold on a second. Let me 736 00:42:58,499 --> 00:43:02,069 see if I can fix this. If I can't do it in a couple seconds. 737 00:43:03,539 --> 00:43:11,069 Then I'd have to reroute. Oops. Okay, folks, hold on. Let me get 738 00:43:11,069 --> 00:43:12,089 John back on the line. 739 00:43:13,980 --> 00:43:17,550 Okay, John, you there? Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. I don't know 740 00:43:17,550 --> 00:43:20,400 what happened. All of a sudden, I think we might have had to 741 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:20,670 start 742 00:43:20,670 --> 00:43:22,860 breaking up. You know, it's possible somebody else is using 743 00:43:22,860 --> 00:43:24,270 a machine in your place. You know what, 744 00:43:25,230 --> 00:43:28,980 though? That's not it. The I saw the entire router go offline. 745 00:43:29,130 --> 00:43:33,510 Sometimes we get brownouts where I am and just enough to mess 746 00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:35,730 with the router and all of a sudden everything went dead and 747 00:43:36,060 --> 00:43:37,020 I apologise. 748 00:43:37,590 --> 00:43:40,590 So your fault, you should be apologising for the British 749 00:43:41,310 --> 00:43:42,750 utilities companies screw 750 00:43:42,750 --> 00:43:44,160 those British utilities. 751 00:43:44,820 --> 00:43:47,700 Anyway, so I don't know what mahalo was. 752 00:43:49,170 --> 00:43:52,770 Well, yeah, it looked to me like someone had done some work. So 753 00:43:52,770 --> 00:43:56,130 when, you know, someone obviously went in and figured 754 00:43:56,130 --> 00:43:58,890 out that with cooking recipes, you know, here's some chefs to 755 00:43:58,890 --> 00:44:03,120 look at. That doesn't seem like a real automatic thing to me. So 756 00:44:03,180 --> 00:44:06,840 there's clearly someone doing some manual work. And, you know, 757 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,830 that was I have to say, I actually sat there and said, I 758 00:44:10,830 --> 00:44:12,840 might use this a couple times. See if I like it. 759 00:44:14,340 --> 00:44:17,190 Yeah, I did some work on it. And I thought it was well, you know, 760 00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:20,400 it's it was It wasn't bad. I mean, I could I mean, I've 761 00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:23,760 actually made this comment I think in print somewhere, which 762 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:28,290 is that would we what would be different about the world? Yeah, 763 00:44:28,290 --> 00:44:31,980 I always do this as an exercise anyway. But what would be 764 00:44:31,980 --> 00:44:35,670 different about the world if Google didn't exist? And I don't 765 00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:36,990 think that much would change. 766 00:44:38,100 --> 00:44:43,170 No, nothing that would change anyone's life. I don't think so. 767 00:44:43,470 --> 00:44:45,810 Well, we'd have nothing to talk about. That would be a problem. 768 00:44:48,900 --> 00:44:50,430 Shin now man, 769 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:55,200 you're breaking up a little you still there? Yeah, okay. Yeah, 770 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,180 see, I had another hiccup you know what? I'm gonna do 771 00:44:57,180 --> 00:45:00,300 something here. This is some I noticed this the other day. A 772 00:45:01,110 --> 00:45:05,970 hold on that. And it could also be the provider, I really got to 773 00:45:05,970 --> 00:45:12,840 work on this shit. Hold on. So if I I basically just open a 774 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,720 ping connection to somewhere out on the net. Are you still there? 775 00:45:16,590 --> 00:45:18,990 Yeah, I'm here I get I basically, yeah, I can hear you 776 00:45:18,990 --> 00:45:21,300 I basically opened a ping connection to somewhere out on 777 00:45:21,300 --> 00:45:23,280 the net, and it just keeps the connection alive. I don't know 778 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:24,330 what the hell is going on. 779 00:45:26,489 --> 00:45:27,389 Sorry, interesting. 780 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,720 Well, anyway, so I like to do this exercise, which is that 781 00:45:30,990 --> 00:45:34,890 imagine what the world would be like with a company missing? And 782 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:39,210 I I've concluded that Google is not the be all and end all. I 783 00:45:39,210 --> 00:45:42,330 mean, you can if without Google, we'd still be able to get good 784 00:45:42,330 --> 00:45:43,770 search results here and there. 785 00:45:44,429 --> 00:45:47,609 Well, of course, we could. I mean, it's ridiculous to think 786 00:45:47,609 --> 00:45:51,479 that you could and no doubt about you know what, remember 787 00:45:51,479 --> 00:45:53,819 when when Google came on the scene? They came with the right 788 00:45:53,819 --> 00:45:56,639 time, though, John, they had, you know, they had a really, 789 00:45:56,639 --> 00:45:59,909 really fat, you know, the big thing on the on the search 790 00:45:59,909 --> 00:46:03,029 results was how fast they got your results. So it was all 791 00:46:03,029 --> 00:46:03,239 about 792 00:46:03,540 --> 00:46:06,390 it wasn't any faster than what Alta Vista was doing in its 793 00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:06,720 heyday? 794 00:46:07,260 --> 00:46:11,310 No, no, wait, hold on a second, I beg to differ. Remember, these 795 00:46:11,310 --> 00:46:16,110 were the days of 56k modems. And when you had these huge pages, 796 00:46:16,110 --> 00:46:19,320 and you know, at the time, I think it was frames, and it took 797 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,890 you took your computer's longer to render and with Google, it 798 00:46:22,890 --> 00:46:26,490 was like one page one search box. It was a revelation. I 799 00:46:26,490 --> 00:46:29,880 remember this very clearly. That was the day I convinced 800 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,940 that AltaVista, except for the fact that they were bought. 801 00:46:35,429 --> 00:46:37,679 Hold on John. You 802 00:46:38,009 --> 00:46:40,649 know what they were doing with what to do with digital they 803 00:46:40,649 --> 00:46:41,609 killed Alta Vista 804 00:46:42,510 --> 00:46:44,550 who killed a digital killed Alta Vista? 805 00:46:45,570 --> 00:46:48,900 No, no contact did Compaq computer, they didn't kill it. 806 00:46:48,900 --> 00:46:52,770 They just let it languish. And then Google came along at about 807 00:46:52,770 --> 00:46:55,080 the same time. And the next thing you know, they were doing 808 00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,110 what Alta Vista was doing. I don't think that the difference 809 00:46:58,110 --> 00:46:59,250 was that substantial? 810 00:46:59,460 --> 00:47:01,860 Well, it's certainly something that's reproducible. And by the 811 00:47:01,860 --> 00:47:03,660 way, it doesn't make any difference, because that's not 812 00:47:03,690 --> 00:47:06,840 really the business. The business is AdSense so they 813 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,410 don't make money on their search business. It's on AdSense. And 814 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,070 the search business is of course, a great part of that. 815 00:47:14,430 --> 00:47:18,240 And not unimportant part. But just because you and I love 816 00:47:18,540 --> 00:47:22,050 going to use using Google to search doesn't necessarily put 817 00:47:22,050 --> 00:47:28,380 money in Google's pocket. Right. So you know, it's really the the 818 00:47:28,380 --> 00:47:32,460 advertising business and by the way, not a lot of successful 819 00:47:32,460 --> 00:47:34,410 geeks in the advertising business. 820 00:47:35,940 --> 00:47:38,160 No, never will be. 821 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,130 You know, you got to have finesse baby, you got to have 822 00:47:41,130 --> 00:47:45,300 flair. You know, you gotta know how to talk. That's what gets 823 00:47:45,300 --> 00:47:46,890 you through and Madison Avenue. 824 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:55,800 Generally, yeah, so. So I'm looking at this talking about 825 00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,130 Madison Avenue. The segways are fantastic. Are you 826 00:47:59,130 --> 00:48:00,450 gonna talk about madmen? 827 00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:05,160 No, no. Looking at Adweek. And there was a creative six trends 828 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,290 you should know and they came in there's this phrase that I was 829 00:48:07,290 --> 00:48:09,750 unfamiliar with. They had to look it up by going to my 830 00:48:09,780 --> 00:48:13,080 website and there's I have an acronym finder on the homepage, 831 00:48:13,290 --> 00:48:19,050 the word.org/home.htm. And you familiar with the accurate 832 00:48:19,050 --> 00:48:21,270 acronym brick BRC? 833 00:48:22,020 --> 00:48:27,060 Brick? Yes, I am familiar with the acronym in several different 834 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:36,720 contexts. One is a a dimension of a real wholesale package of 835 00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:40,800 marijuana. Okay, nevermind that too is the constant let me get 836 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,460 there, too is when you have a mobile device or portable device 837 00:48:44,460 --> 00:48:47,280 that becomes completely rendered unusable usually through 838 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,530 hacking, then you turn it into a brick. 839 00:48:51,330 --> 00:48:54,360 Let me be Ric now. Let me just let me give it to you in 840 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,290 context. The title The subtitle of this paragraph is Brick 841 00:48:58,350 --> 00:49:03,240 fashions break the fashion world would be looking to the BRIC 842 00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:05,070 countries in 2008. 843 00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:07,739 The BRIC countries, 844 00:49:09,540 --> 00:49:12,240 ie countries that have homes made of brick, 845 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,930 no Brazil, Russia, India and China. 846 00:49:16,020 --> 00:49:19,560 Ah, yes, no, I have heard of this. Actually. I've read this 847 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,920 in Financial Times. It's been a while but yes, I have heard 848 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:23,370 this. 849 00:49:25,020 --> 00:49:28,740 So it's one of the trends they say. And I think this is largely 850 00:49:28,740 --> 00:49:31,560 due to the reason Brazil Brazil has a number of fashion 851 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,310 international fashion designers who are quite talented, but then 852 00:49:35,310 --> 00:49:41,820 they show this picture of some a top form or a top a top like a 853 00:49:41,820 --> 00:49:47,820 top a woman would wear from Shantanu and Nikhil showing this 854 00:49:47,850 --> 00:49:51,000 horrible I mean, I don't want to say anything, you know, I love 855 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:55,290 the Indians. But India fashion is not something I want to see 856 00:49:55,290 --> 00:50:00,060 much of, to be honest about. Northern movies, by the way I 857 00:50:00,060 --> 00:50:00,450 have to be. 858 00:50:01,380 --> 00:50:04,620 I love fashion. I love fashion shows. I told you I went to the 859 00:50:04,620 --> 00:50:09,030 fashion show with my wife and Amsterdam on a Sunday. Nice. I 860 00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:09,930 had my suit on. 861 00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,480 Yeah, that suit. Yeah. Who was the designer you saw? Was it 862 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:16,050 just a bunch of? 863 00:50:16,199 --> 00:50:19,079 No, no, it's just it's one designer, Paul's filter. And 864 00:50:19,079 --> 00:50:22,319 Patricia works with him every, every season on the show. And 865 00:50:22,679 --> 00:50:25,019 you know what the model should look like? And of course, I'm 866 00:50:25,019 --> 00:50:28,379 highly interested. Because what I get to do is I get to hang 867 00:50:28,379 --> 00:50:30,959 around everywhere. This is naked models walking around is 868 00:50:30,959 --> 00:50:34,679 awesome. I'm not kidding. Yeah. And but yeah, it's not like 869 00:50:34,679 --> 00:50:38,039 they're posing, but they're all really tall. And, and so I said, 870 00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:40,199 you know, excuse me, I just got to hug you for a second. I know 871 00:50:40,199 --> 00:50:42,899 you're feeling the same way. Because you know, when I talk to 872 00:50:42,899 --> 00:50:46,049 each other, and I always get it, you know, I always get hug. It's 873 00:50:46,049 --> 00:50:49,829 great. But I really screwed I really screwed up this time. 874 00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:54,329 Because my favourite favourite model of all time, who always 875 00:50:54,329 --> 00:50:57,509 walks the pulse Hill to show and it because all the the mega 876 00:50:57,509 --> 00:51:00,209 superstars are big buyers or celebrities. And of course, 877 00:51:00,209 --> 00:51:03,659 we're none of the above. They get they sit right in the middle 878 00:51:03,659 --> 00:51:06,329 of the front row at they're on the runway. And so we're 879 00:51:06,329 --> 00:51:09,149 actually in an even better spot that's like two spots to the 880 00:51:09,149 --> 00:51:11,849 right. That's where the models make their turns. They make 881 00:51:11,849 --> 00:51:15,419 their turn right in front of us. And she always gives me John, 882 00:51:15,449 --> 00:51:19,109 I'm not kidding. She gives me the most wicked look. Just like 883 00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:21,899 you know, it's like a fantasy. And it's a game because you 884 00:51:21,899 --> 00:51:24,209 know, my wife and I laugh about all the times. Let's see if she 885 00:51:24,209 --> 00:51:27,269 gives you the look. Anyway, she after the show. She's upstairs 886 00:51:27,269 --> 00:51:32,279 and she's, you know, she's D just taking everything off 887 00:51:32,279 --> 00:51:36,029 essentially, all of her model stuff. And I said, Oh, you know, 888 00:51:36,029 --> 00:51:38,849 when's the divorce because my dream has to finally come 889 00:51:38,849 --> 00:51:48,029 through. And she says March 13 How did you know? Oops. I felt 890 00:51:48,029 --> 00:51:54,119 so she had a horrible so we took her 891 00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,870 out to dinner. I feel worse when she starts calling. Oh, dude. 892 00:52:00,030 --> 00:52:04,320 Not a problem. I said it right. I said it's okay. My wife is 893 00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,540 okay with it. We can have an affair. It's not a problem. 894 00:52:06,780 --> 00:52:08,610 Patricia is sitting right next to her. I was funny. 895 00:52:11,130 --> 00:52:13,920 Speaking of women, John, hold on a second. 896 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,880 Hey, guys, I wanted to let you know first of all that you do 897 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:22,020 have some stem privilege women listening to you. One in Ohio 898 00:52:22,020 --> 00:52:27,990 even crazy. Couple of things. Adam, if you can't get a tobacco 899 00:52:27,990 --> 00:52:31,200 company to sponsor you, you are not fucking trying. I mean, 900 00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,330 every time I hear your letter, click, I want to go dig through 901 00:52:33,330 --> 00:52:35,820 my coat pockets and see if I have any cigarettes from like 902 00:52:35,820 --> 00:52:39,030 five years ago. It's perfect. You don't have to change 903 00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:41,400 anything. You just keep doing what you're doing. They might 904 00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,910 make you want to mention some brand or something. But I really 905 00:52:44,910 --> 00:52:45,720 think you could actually 906 00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,940 Alright, so we got wacky checks. Listen to us. 907 00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:50,850 One from 908 00:52:50,850 --> 00:52:56,490 Ohio. But we did strike a chord with making money on the show. I 909 00:52:56,490 --> 00:52:59,250 got a couple emails about that. Did you get any? Yeah, 910 00:52:59,730 --> 00:53:03,120 yeah, I got a couple of myself but you know, we'll see what was 911 00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,040 the general consensus what were people saying? 912 00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,580 Oh, they all Yeah, oh, it was just tonnes of money. Be Me, you 913 00:53:08,580 --> 00:53:09,030 know. 914 00:53:10,110 --> 00:53:13,200 tonnes of money. where's the where's the grant specialist? I 915 00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,240 liked the grant idea the best I like that's 916 00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:17,520 perfect ideas. Very cool. That would be that would be 917 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:21,000 outstanding to have a show sponsored by a grant and 918 00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:22,080 listener donation. 919 00:53:22,110 --> 00:53:27,210 Oh, yeah. Hell yeah. And we we do it on a regular we wouldn't. 920 00:53:28,260 --> 00:53:30,810 That we will no, no, I think it's fine. People would get the 921 00:53:30,810 --> 00:53:32,910 weakest font once a week is good. That's enough for people 922 00:53:32,910 --> 00:53:33,090 No, I 923 00:53:33,090 --> 00:53:35,340 was thinking we'd actually do it on the same day is what I was 924 00:53:35,340 --> 00:53:38,070 gonna say but oh, that's never got that. I thought the better 925 00:53:38,070 --> 00:53:38,670 of that. 926 00:53:40,949 --> 00:53:44,879 John stuff and no agenda, person level down here. I got a message 927 00:53:44,879 --> 00:53:48,899 for your haters, Adam. Listen up, folks. Food has to be put on 928 00:53:48,899 --> 00:53:51,509 the table gas has to be put in the car bills have to be paid 929 00:53:51,509 --> 00:53:54,689 insurance has to be paid mortgages have to be paid. Money 930 00:53:54,689 --> 00:53:57,329 makes the world go around. You don't exist without money. 931 00:53:57,329 --> 00:54:01,139 You're a rotting corpse on the ground. So I say fuck anybody 932 00:54:01,139 --> 00:54:04,409 who gets mad at him making money from them. He can make money by 933 00:54:04,409 --> 00:54:08,489 giving me content I want to listen to fuck yeah, go America. 934 00:54:08,519 --> 00:54:11,549 Go Adam curry. I don't care. Do what you got to do. They don't 935 00:54:11,549 --> 00:54:15,569 like it, bro. That's it. If you're getting paid, you're 936 00:54:15,569 --> 00:54:18,149 gonna keep doing this. And I'm gonna keep adding cool stuff to 937 00:54:18,149 --> 00:54:20,519 listen to. And I like the long format. Right? 938 00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:24,480 Is that the stand up comic Doug Stanhope. 939 00:54:26,370 --> 00:54:29,430 Chris from Levittown. He calls it a lot 940 00:54:29,460 --> 00:54:31,710 so hey, there's something I wanted to mention on the show 941 00:54:31,860 --> 00:54:35,310 before we finish up here that because we're getting feedback 942 00:54:35,310 --> 00:54:37,530 we got enough audience now that we hit we're getting it we're 943 00:54:37,530 --> 00:54:40,980 actually getting conscious Yeah. You know you you always can tell 944 00:54:40,980 --> 00:54:42,720 when you're you know you have enough people out there I mean, 945 00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:45,000 that's what I do. You know, I do want to do the Twitch show I'm 946 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,400 always asking for clothes, for example, seemed to get a lot of 947 00:54:48,690 --> 00:54:52,140 shows John, it shows when I see around the office as are clearly 948 00:54:52,170 --> 00:54:52,830 freebies. 949 00:54:54,900 --> 00:54:58,410 So here's what I want. Now. Somebody out there has got to 950 00:54:58,410 --> 00:55:00,330 happen. I think I'm gonna just keep soliciting. In this deal, 951 00:55:00,330 --> 00:55:04,290 we get it. I heard I got wind of this some time ago. And then I 952 00:55:04,290 --> 00:55:06,990 decided and I kind of forgot about I've been I've been trying 953 00:55:06,990 --> 00:55:10,380 this district, but supposedly with Otis elevators and I 954 00:55:10,380 --> 00:55:12,840 suppose Schindler elevators and some of the other ones, there 955 00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:18,480 are, there are codes on the on the elevator itself. In other 956 00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,340 words, we're going to mongst, the push buttons, certain 957 00:55:20,340 --> 00:55:23,400 combinations of things will get you certain things that the 958 00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:27,630 dummy with special special features? Well, for example, if 959 00:55:27,630 --> 00:55:30,120 you put I've been told at least one of the things that if you 960 00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,990 push the closed door button and the floor you want to go on to 961 00:55:34,020 --> 00:55:37,710 on the at the same time, it turns it into express mode. 962 00:55:39,090 --> 00:55:41,010 So it skips all the other floors. 963 00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:43,230 Yeah, just zooms right. Awesome. 964 00:55:43,260 --> 00:55:46,200 I'll bet you there's a tonne of information about there about 965 00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:47,190 this out there, I bet 966 00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:49,860 you that they whether that one's even right or not, I have been 967 00:55:49,860 --> 00:55:52,410 trying it. I haven't found it not to take but you know, I'm 968 00:55:52,410 --> 00:55:56,250 not using a lot of busy elevators. I suspect that 969 00:55:56,310 --> 00:55:58,470 because of the nature of especially with the newer 970 00:55:58,470 --> 00:56:01,260 elevators that are you know, computer there, you know, 971 00:56:01,260 --> 00:56:04,890 there's a computer running them, they have to have a tonne of 972 00:56:04,890 --> 00:56:08,700 secret codes, that somebody out there, there's an elevator guy 973 00:56:08,730 --> 00:56:12,300 listening to the show that knows a few of these codes that would 974 00:56:12,300 --> 00:56:14,700 be happy more than happy to tell us what they are 975 00:56:15,540 --> 00:56:18,210 completely anonymously, just look at the show notes. There's 976 00:56:18,210 --> 00:56:20,730 a phone number there, you just call it we can't trace you. We 977 00:56:20,730 --> 00:56:23,760 can't I mean, the government can but we can't trace you or track 978 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,160 you. And let us know. 979 00:56:27,660 --> 00:56:30,360 But I just think it'd be nice to know these cooks sometimes, you 980 00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:31,380 know, you're in a hurry. 981 00:56:31,589 --> 00:56:35,009 When When did you come up with this? You just woke up one 982 00:56:35,009 --> 00:56:36,599 morning and said, I wonder if you know, I 983 00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:41,250 read a number of months ago, I read someplace and some forum or 984 00:56:41,250 --> 00:56:45,330 some you know, some news group or somewhere that some guy had 985 00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:50,250 knew about these codes. And then he talked about the the closed 986 00:56:50,250 --> 00:56:55,560 door, floor button, simultaneous push. And as soon as he said it, 987 00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,680 I said yeah, there has to be I mean, obviously you if you're 988 00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,960 programming these elevators, you're gonna put a bunch of 989 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,030 secret codes because when you're gonna repair the things you're 990 00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:04,950 gonna you're gonna it's like, you know, the phone companies 991 00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:07,650 have all kinds of weird numbers they can call Yeah, yeah. And 992 00:57:07,650 --> 00:57:10,350 they, you know, there's like one number you can dial it and it 993 00:57:10,350 --> 00:57:12,000 tells you the phone you're caught with the number of the 994 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:13,770 phone is that you're calling from? Well, that's the 995 00:57:13,769 --> 00:57:18,299 whole you know, the whole unlocking thing is also based on 996 00:57:18,299 --> 00:57:19,379 codes that you input. 997 00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:21,120 Exactly. Yeah. 998 00:57:22,739 --> 00:57:25,499 Hey, isn't that an apple thing this morning? That iPhone 999 00:57:25,529 --> 00:57:28,679 something or other where they're gonna announce something? about 1000 00:57:28,679 --> 00:57:29,639 something? Probably, 1001 00:57:29,700 --> 00:57:33,630 yeah, who cares? Again, you know, Apple gets too much 1002 00:57:33,660 --> 00:57:34,980 publicity as it is. 1003 00:57:35,340 --> 00:57:39,180 It's true, but sometimes they do those live on video and I enjoy 1004 00:57:39,180 --> 00:57:42,270 watching that I love watching Steve Jobs present as beautiful. 1005 00:57:42,300 --> 00:57:45,090 He's a master. It's fucking a he's a master. It's just 1006 00:57:45,090 --> 00:57:45,660 beautiful. 1007 00:57:46,830 --> 00:57:48,750 Really, really, especially when you compare him to the other 1008 00:57:48,750 --> 00:57:50,910 schlubs in the industry. It's kind of pathetic. 1009 00:57:51,540 --> 00:57:56,130 Who's going to do the big announcements. When Yahoo 1010 00:57:56,130 --> 00:57:59,730 eventually gets sold or bought Steve Ballmer is going to do it. 1011 00:58:01,980 --> 00:58:04,830 The money is now heading toward fact, I'm writing about this 1012 00:58:04,830 --> 00:58:09,600 from MarketWatch. Waiting for that. Yes, he has your plug. I 1013 00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,480 think I'm going to discuss the possibility that AOL and Yahoo 1014 00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:13,200 get together. 1015 00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,410 I don't see why this wasn't something people looked at much 1016 00:58:16,410 --> 00:58:17,310 earlier. I think. 1017 00:58:19,290 --> 00:58:23,340 Andrew Horowitz who does the disciplined investor, he had a 1018 00:58:23,340 --> 00:58:27,810 month ago told me that he's was suspicious. And he posted a 1019 00:58:28,500 --> 00:58:33,960 video, which I have on my blog, by the way divert.org/blog He 1020 00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:38,850 posted a video that shows if you overlay the homepage of AOL and 1021 00:58:38,850 --> 00:58:41,100 Yahoo is like the same exact page 1022 00:58:44,580 --> 00:58:48,090 I hope it happens that will be beautiful that really would we 1023 00:58:48,090 --> 00:58:49,890 can we be interested in this guy? We could do business with 1024 00:58:49,890 --> 00:58:52,950 those guys. I know we can because they don't you know, 1025 00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:56,400 they? They both have a little bit of a clue about something. 1026 00:58:57,330 --> 00:58:59,790 But not really the whole picture. And I think AOL 1027 00:58:59,820 --> 00:59:02,820 personally I think AOL is really in a lot of trouble. I don't I 1028 00:59:02,820 --> 00:59:06,780 don't follow it. I have no idea what you know what reports there 1029 00:59:06,780 --> 00:59:12,360 are but it just it just feels like it's like it's one big 1030 00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,030 script running you know, there's not there's no nothing behind 1031 00:59:15,030 --> 00:59:17,130 it. This Is anyone home basically. 1032 00:59:17,730 --> 00:59:20,340 Yeah. You know, ever since Steve Case is that even though people 1033 00:59:20,340 --> 00:59:21,180 didn't like the guy 1034 00:59:21,630 --> 00:59:25,110 left is entertainment. Yeah, he understood it. 1035 00:59:25,710 --> 00:59:29,070 Well, he also had a sense of of it. I mean, he's the you know, 1036 00:59:29,070 --> 00:59:32,550 he did have the vision. I mean, he was the captain of the ship. 1037 00:59:32,550 --> 00:59:35,790 He's the one who saw you know that sometimes you need somebody 1038 00:59:35,790 --> 00:59:38,070 running things that can say no, no, that's a bad idea. And 1039 00:59:38,070 --> 00:59:41,700 here's the reasons why. Even though this idea of without that 1040 00:59:41,700 --> 00:59:43,200 guy would go ahead if it 1041 00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:50,280 wasn't Steve Case in flock of seagulls. Seriously, I think 1042 00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,750 yeah, I think at some for some reason, I think that he was his 1043 00:59:54,750 --> 00:59:55,380 law case was 1044 00:59:55,560 --> 01:00:00,480 long. I don't think he's ever been a musician. Ah, I mean, 1045 01:00:00,510 --> 01:00:01,770 proven me wrong. 1046 01:00:02,370 --> 01:00:04,920 Now I'm afraid to open my browser now because I don't want 1047 01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:05,880 to lose the connections. I 1048 01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,700 will do it for next week, we'll figure it out. But wherever the 1049 01:00:08,700 --> 01:00:11,280 case is, he's not there now, and it's a different place does look 1050 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,890 like a rudderless ship. And and people are forgetting about 1051 01:00:13,890 --> 01:00:17,730 people used to talk about AOL, AOL Time. Everyone had an 1052 01:00:17,730 --> 01:00:22,410 aol.com email address, and now they don't and you know, it's 1053 01:00:22,410 --> 01:00:23,760 just a really sad, 1054 01:00:23,850 --> 01:00:26,040 I still have my Yahoo though. Do you still have your Yahoo 1055 01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:27,330 address? Yeah, I have a 1056 01:00:27,330 --> 01:00:32,040 Yahoo address. I have a, I have the Google address. I got one of 1057 01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,800 the early ones. I got my name. And you know, the right, which 1058 01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:36,240 should be Yeah. And 1059 01:00:36,929 --> 01:00:38,969 why do you have to buy from someone? Or did you have to wait 1060 01:00:38,969 --> 01:00:39,389 for No, no, 1061 01:00:39,390 --> 01:00:42,000 I got I was I got in really early. And so I got divorce 1062 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:47,880 back. Okay. So I don't use it. I, I only use Google as a 1063 01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:49,950 complete backup, because they have, you know, run it through 1064 01:00:49,950 --> 01:00:52,500 my own server. Yeah. And why do you do that? 1065 01:00:52,530 --> 01:00:56,250 It's just because you started out that way. Never wanted to 1066 01:00:56,250 --> 01:00:59,610 change it? Or you find it's better for you? Or what? To have 1067 01:00:59,610 --> 01:01:03,330 divorce.org? No, just to have your own? No, no, you actually 1068 01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:04,830 have you don't, you know, 1069 01:01:05,969 --> 01:01:09,359 it's hosted over by Mark for keel over at sea time. Computer 1070 01:01:09,359 --> 01:01:12,029 time, you know, he's the one who does it. I've always had my, 1071 01:01:12,329 --> 01:01:15,389 I've got a domain early divorce.org. And I also have 1072 01:01:15,389 --> 01:01:20,219 divorced.com, that I don't actually use much. But I 1073 01:01:20,579 --> 01:01:23,339 initially got hooked up with a guy in New Jersey, who, you 1074 01:01:23,339 --> 01:01:26,459 know, who I thought was just a great guy. And he had, he was 1075 01:01:26,459 --> 01:01:29,099 running a server this back in the early 90s. And he says, let 1076 01:01:29,099 --> 01:01:31,829 me just host it, and you can do your emails from me. And then I 1077 01:01:31,889 --> 01:01:34,799 didn't, and it's just kind of bounced around from friend to 1078 01:01:34,799 --> 01:01:37,829 friend, and went to another guy in Chicago who was doing it for 1079 01:01:37,829 --> 01:01:40,349 a while, and then he got bored. And you know, because it gets 1080 01:01:40,349 --> 01:01:43,019 rough, unless you're doing it professionally. And I was gonna, 1081 01:01:43,019 --> 01:01:46,859 you know, move as I moved it. Mark has the email system, you 1082 01:01:46,859 --> 01:01:49,769 know, they were I get no spam. And so he said, You got to run 1083 01:01:49,769 --> 01:01:54,419 through my system, because you get no spam to him. So I gave it 1084 01:01:54,419 --> 01:01:56,939 to him. And he's been running it ever since. And it's like, you 1085 01:01:56,939 --> 01:02:01,829 know what, quid pro quo I give him his, his, his publicity. And 1086 01:02:01,829 --> 01:02:05,099 he gives me the he's gave me the server space. And you know, and 1087 01:02:05,099 --> 01:02:08,489 I suspect it'll go someplace else. Someday follow Mark seems 1088 01:02:08,489 --> 01:02:12,389 to be in the business for a while. But so yeah, it's been a 1089 01:02:12,389 --> 01:02:15,359 tradition of me to keep my own stuff and my own server that's 1090 01:02:15,359 --> 01:02:15,659 like, 1091 01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:20,190 Oops, that I lose your John 1092 01:02:23,070 --> 01:02:24,120 F TOS phone off. 1093 01:02:26,699 --> 01:02:33,269 I'll just give it a second to catch up, John. I would. 1094 01:02:35,610 --> 01:02:38,820 We really shouldn't do this show. Unless it's on a weekend. 1095 01:02:40,350 --> 01:02:42,270 Well, anyway, let me just finish the spot and we can finish. 1096 01:02:42,390 --> 01:02:45,840 Okay, which is that I'm worried sick that at some point, they 1097 01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:47,340 either they just pull the plug on? Yeah. 1098 01:02:48,420 --> 01:02:51,210 You mean the email provider? Yeah, they just 1099 01:02:51,210 --> 01:02:54,000 pull the plug on you. Hey, where are you? We decided you know, 1100 01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,610 you you're a spammer they come up with something they don't 1101 01:02:56,610 --> 01:02:59,190 want you anymore. Yeah. And then they all your mail is lost, and 1102 01:02:59,190 --> 01:03:01,860 you can't do the email people send to it just goes into a 1103 01:03:01,860 --> 01:03:04,860 black hole. I just don't like I don't trust these guys. 1104 01:03:05,550 --> 01:03:10,110 Right? Well, you know, you can always in your MX record, you 1105 01:03:10,110 --> 01:03:13,080 can always set up a secondary which could be your I got no 1106 01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:15,870 spam guy. But yeah, regardless, doesn't matter. I was just 1107 01:03:15,870 --> 01:03:17,970 always interested because I know that you have it with some guy 1108 01:03:17,970 --> 01:03:23,160 who gives you no spam. And it gives me his email address. I 1109 01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:23,820 get spam. 1110 01:03:25,110 --> 01:03:31,050 Mark ma RC at pur. Cal PE r k e l.com. Okay, got it. 1111 01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:35,370 Well, um, you're going up to Washington for the weekend, 1112 01:03:35,370 --> 01:03:35,730 John. 1113 01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:37,740 Yeah, gotta check in on the deli. 1114 01:03:38,969 --> 01:03:41,039 See if we're making money, see if we still got some meat in the 1115 01:03:41,039 --> 01:03:47,129 freezer. Hey, man, I although I enjoyed talking to you, I don't 1116 01:03:47,129 --> 01:03:49,979 like doing the show during the week when the bandwidth is all 1117 01:03:49,979 --> 01:03:52,799 crappy at risk. Distracting shit. 1118 01:03:53,820 --> 01:03:55,890 Yeah, we'll try to avoid it. Yeah. 1119 01:03:56,550 --> 01:03:59,460 You know, just tell me me. Sorry, honey. I can't come up 1120 01:03:59,460 --> 01:04:00,750 this weekend. I gotta do the show. 1121 01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,220 Well, next week for sure. We'll do it on Saturday morning or 1122 01:04:05,220 --> 01:04:07,710 Friday, whenever. Okay, actually, we've been doing on 1123 01:04:07,710 --> 01:04:10,050 Friday a lot. This Saturday is when we don't when we have the 1124 01:04:10,050 --> 01:04:11,670 best bandwidth or Sunday. 1125 01:04:11,700 --> 01:04:14,790 Yeah. And the weekend is always in the you know, maybe some punk 1126 01:04:14,790 --> 01:04:17,490 neighbourhood kid came home and turn on his bed toward you don't 1127 01:04:17,490 --> 01:04:19,380 know what's going on. Could be anything. 1128 01:04:19,410 --> 01:04:21,360 Right. All right. 1129 01:04:22,469 --> 01:04:29,459 See what I did. I remember the music this time. John, yeah, 1130 01:04:29,459 --> 01:04:31,589 here it acknowledge 1131 01:04:32,969 --> 01:04:38,489 crap. All right. This has been no agenda. We'll come back at 1132 01:04:38,669 --> 01:04:42,569 another time, sometime near the end of next week from the United 1133 01:04:42,569 --> 01:04:44,249 Kingdom. I'm Adam curry. 1134 01:04:45,090 --> 01:04:47,580 And from sunny Northern California. I'm John C. Dvorak. 1135 01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,460 And we'll talk to you again next week on no agenda.