1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:05,010 Hi everybody, once again, it's time for the programme that has 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,430 pretty much nothing. And when it comes to commercials when it 3 00:00:08,430 --> 00:00:11,700 comes to jingles when it comes to music, and we definitely do 4 00:00:11,700 --> 00:00:16,710 not have any form of agenda, it is no agenda from an undisclosed 5 00:00:16,710 --> 00:00:19,350 location in a hotel room. I'm Adam curry. 6 00:00:20,100 --> 00:00:23,670 And I'm John C. Dvorak in the same old same old place in 7 00:00:23,670 --> 00:00:26,070 Northern California where we've been having a lot of blustery 8 00:00:26,070 --> 00:00:29,490 weather. It's actually been kind of amazing. I 9 00:00:29,490 --> 00:00:33,660 could not believe how big those raindrops were on on Friday. 10 00:00:33,690 --> 00:00:35,670 They were they were like the size of marbles. It was 11 00:00:35,700 --> 00:00:36,990 unbelievable. 12 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,250 You Yeah, it rained again. They're wrong on the timing, but 13 00:00:41,250 --> 00:00:43,620 it's been raining a lot. We had something like six inches of 14 00:00:43,620 --> 00:00:47,820 rain. And it rained again last night. And because there was a 15 00:00:47,820 --> 00:00:50,280 second storm coming through and I think that one clear it out 16 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,640 because it hasn't been raining. From about nine o'clock on it 17 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:58,500 stopped and then but it still looks crappy out. I suspect it 18 00:00:58,500 --> 00:00:58,980 will rain again. 19 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,850 And the best thing was the traffic on Friday evening. They 20 00:01:02,850 --> 00:01:06,390 were people actually coming back to the office saying, you know, 21 00:01:06,390 --> 00:01:08,310 I'm just going to wait for another hour and get some work 22 00:01:08,310 --> 00:01:11,250 done because the traffic was not moving. And we're on Second 23 00:01:11,250 --> 00:01:14,730 Street with the office in in the city. And it was just it was it 24 00:01:14,730 --> 00:01:17,280 was bumper to bumper, nothing was moving. What is it with 25 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,460 that? Why does rain? Cause that? I mean, is it 26 00:01:20,459 --> 00:01:23,849 let Actually Actually, I knew that Friday was actually going 27 00:01:23,849 --> 00:01:26,609 to be a good commute day if you had your timing right, because 28 00:01:26,609 --> 00:01:29,279 usually a lot of people don't go in on a ride on a day where it's 29 00:01:29,279 --> 00:01:32,039 going to be that stormy and they didn't and so it was easy to get 30 00:01:32,039 --> 00:01:35,969 to the city. But then we had some meetings and at 230 That 31 00:01:35,969 --> 00:01:38,999 meeting was cancelled for various reasons. And I took that 32 00:01:38,999 --> 00:01:41,489 as an opportunity to take off because I knew it was going to 33 00:01:41,489 --> 00:01:47,459 be a mess. And I got through it. Just in time around 230 I snuck 34 00:01:47,459 --> 00:01:50,759 across the bridge but it was already flooding. The tunnel was 35 00:01:50,759 --> 00:01:54,809 like flooding, which which tunnel there's a tunnel. Yeah, 36 00:01:54,809 --> 00:01:58,199 there's a tunnel on these guys on the San Francisco Bay Bridge. 37 00:01:59,069 --> 00:02:00,629 Right in the middle of where the island is. 38 00:02:01,530 --> 00:02:05,310 Oh, we're gonna we're gonna yerba whatever it is Lena 39 00:02:05,310 --> 00:02:07,680 yerba buena. Yeah. Called goat goat Island. 40 00:02:08,430 --> 00:02:13,620 I actually I actually, when Patricia was at the condo was 41 00:02:13,620 --> 00:02:17,520 that, like, in the summer? We took a drive across the bridge. 42 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,850 And we and we actually we we took that exit to go see what it 43 00:02:20,850 --> 00:02:24,570 was. It was a pretty uninteresting actually. 44 00:02:25,169 --> 00:02:26,099 What gold Island? 45 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,350 Yeah, there's not a lot going on there. 46 00:02:28,740 --> 00:02:30,870 Well, no, but it's hooked to Treasure Island, which is kind 47 00:02:30,870 --> 00:02:34,440 of interesting if you can get in there. Anyway. So yeah, so the 48 00:02:34,470 --> 00:02:37,020 but that that tunnel, especially in the lower deck starts to 49 00:02:37,020 --> 00:02:39,900 flood when you have a lot of real problems because of its 50 00:02:39,900 --> 00:02:43,320 angles, right? Of course, water collects at the bottom right, 51 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,080 right clicks at the bottom. And so it was flooding him thinking, 52 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,350 wow, this is going to be a horrible commute around five 53 00:02:49,350 --> 00:02:52,800 o'clock when not because of the more people coming across it 54 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,990 because it's going to stop everyone Oh, 55 00:02:54,990 --> 00:02:57,690 so that's what that's what causes it. Yeah, cuz you can't 56 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,720 just go down that. Normally, I guess you go down there, like 57 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,750 4050 miles an hour. If you do that, then you'd pretty much you 58 00:03:03,750 --> 00:03:06,360 know, find your face against the windshield. I guess when you hit 59 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,210 that, that bottle at the bottom right, it would just like slow 60 00:03:09,210 --> 00:03:10,590 you down in a heartbeat. And 61 00:03:10,590 --> 00:03:12,870 it wasn't the only puddle and that night. But there was these 62 00:03:12,870 --> 00:03:16,770 big, these big sheets of water coming down from the upper deck, 63 00:03:17,130 --> 00:03:20,100 which happens when it's really raining and they hit you it's 64 00:03:20,100 --> 00:03:22,620 just like you're getting hit by it like it's you're just getting 65 00:03:22,620 --> 00:03:26,520 hammered with a with just a wall of water. Every time you'd come 66 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,520 across one of these it's like a little break in the bridge where 67 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,490 they you know where the water falls through. And it's just 68 00:03:32,490 --> 00:03:35,430 like whack you get hit really hard and you can't see for a few 69 00:03:35,430 --> 00:03:38,730 seconds. And then the windshield wipers finally get rid of it. So 70 00:03:38,730 --> 00:03:41,820 yeah, it was a it was I knew it was going to be bad. 71 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:46,050 So unfortunately, I can't I can't play the on my mobile 72 00:03:46,050 --> 00:03:48,300 setup. And I still haven't figured out how to play stuff 73 00:03:48,300 --> 00:03:50,820 that you can actually hear it. I'm working on that. But we got 74 00:03:50,820 --> 00:03:54,630 a lot of interesting feedback. A lot of people really enjoyed 75 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:59,400 going through your notes, John. That's people Yeah, like that 76 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,710 was funny that wasn't gonna do that more often. Did you take 77 00:04:01,710 --> 00:04:02,430 any notes? 78 00:04:03,150 --> 00:04:10,080 I you know, I I have more. I don't have to. I have. I have 79 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,080 notes. You know, all I have to do is like lift up one sheet of 80 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,880 paper. You're on the desk more than enough notes. Yeah, I got 81 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:23,010 notes for years. And lots of book titles. Maybe I mean, you 82 00:04:23,010 --> 00:04:26,100 know, I'm a best seller and I was thinking of doing a book 83 00:04:26,100 --> 00:04:29,220 title book. You know, I said if you do a book title, right that 84 00:04:29,220 --> 00:04:31,440 you don't have to write it. You don't have to write us write the 85 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:37,050 title. So I wrote this title, a book of book titles. And I 86 00:04:37,050 --> 00:04:38,910 realised that that was shows I came up with that I don't have 87 00:04:38,910 --> 00:04:40,860 to write that book either. So it 88 00:04:40,860 --> 00:04:44,790 sounds a lot like a friend of mine who did a coffee table book 89 00:04:44,790 --> 00:04:48,720 about coffee table books, which I thought was pretty genius 90 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:49,260 idea, 91 00:04:49,740 --> 00:04:52,290 which was also by the way, a Seinfeld episode. 92 00:04:52,529 --> 00:04:57,419 You're kidding me? No, really. It exists. The book the book. 93 00:04:57,719 --> 00:04:59,699 How long ago was that to the book exists? 94 00:04:59,699 --> 00:05:03,239 What Seinfeld episodes in the middle of the series and Kramer 95 00:05:03,239 --> 00:05:07,739 had come up with this idea to do a, a coffee table book that was 96 00:05:07,739 --> 00:05:11,609 about coffee tables and was actually a coffee table itself. 97 00:05:11,609 --> 00:05:12,509 It had a little legs. 98 00:05:13,950 --> 00:05:16,860 Fantastic. I missed that episode. That's cool. 99 00:05:16,890 --> 00:05:19,080 Yeah, it's actually quite humorous because there's a lot 100 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:20,940 of lead into it. Because, you know, Elaine thought it was a 101 00:05:20,940 --> 00:05:24,330 stupid idea. But then he bumped into her boss who thought was a 102 00:05:24,330 --> 00:05:28,440 great idea and excoriated her for not coming up with ideas 103 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:32,430 like this kind of thing. So anyway, 104 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:36,210 so we bumped into each other on the street earlier in the week, 105 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,090 actually, it was, it was Friday, because initially we thought we 106 00:05:39,090 --> 00:05:41,490 would do the show on Friday and then Saturday didn't work out. 107 00:05:41,490 --> 00:05:45,900 Now. Of course, it's it's Sunday. And it was it was kind 108 00:05:45,900 --> 00:05:50,190 of weird because I was coming around the corner, walking up 109 00:05:50,190 --> 00:05:53,250 second street, and it was raining and I had my like, my 110 00:05:53,280 --> 00:05:59,310 London portable, you know, like three pound umbrella. And I'm 111 00:05:59,310 --> 00:06:01,620 walking up and like, Look at this guy with this. Look at 112 00:06:01,620 --> 00:06:04,950 sighs that fucking red umbrella. He's he's got it and it was you. 113 00:06:05,910 --> 00:06:09,450 And he's like, Hey, man, neoliberalism that's what we're 114 00:06:09,450 --> 00:06:10,380 going to talk about. 115 00:06:11,370 --> 00:06:13,500 Well, let's talk about the umbrella. Okay, 116 00:06:13,529 --> 00:06:14,819 what is that? What's up with that? 117 00:06:16,110 --> 00:06:18,780 I have the little pop up the Bumbershoot a little dinky one 118 00:06:18,780 --> 00:06:21,060 that you had which is useless and Ernie. No, no, 119 00:06:21,060 --> 00:06:24,570 no hold on a second. Now this is this I carry this in my you know 120 00:06:24,570 --> 00:06:28,020 my bag which of course is my portable office. I carry that 121 00:06:28,050 --> 00:06:32,190 all the time. Because you know being in London, you just have 122 00:06:32,190 --> 00:06:36,570 to be prepared. So it is it is good for you know, for the 123 00:06:36,570 --> 00:06:37,560 portability and 124 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,430 I have I must have 10 of those little guys like that like that 125 00:06:41,430 --> 00:06:44,550 umbrella. They just I have one in the car. I carry them a lot 126 00:06:44,550 --> 00:06:46,770 it I throw them in the suitcase are great to travel with. 127 00:06:46,890 --> 00:06:51,480 Obviously I can't throw the one I was carrying on Friday in the 128 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,540 suitcase. The thing is, so anyway, the story behind his 129 00:06:54,540 --> 00:06:57,420 umbrella. We gave a part of New Year's Eve party or some party 130 00:06:57,420 --> 00:07:00,720 some time ago at the house and it was going to rain and so we 131 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,770 went to Costco and they had on sale for at night at 20. But 132 00:07:04,770 --> 00:07:08,790 these things were expensive $20 apiece these golfing umbrellas 133 00:07:09,060 --> 00:07:14,040 refer for golfers to play I guess in the rain at the thing 134 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,550 is a huge it's a it's one of the biggest umbrellas I've ever 135 00:07:17,550 --> 00:07:21,870 owned. And it's built to you know, strongly built red. No, I 136 00:07:21,870 --> 00:07:28,620 was at you know, so you got the rights green, white. Yeah, 137 00:07:28,620 --> 00:07:31,560 curiously, I have a red one. But that one that I had that day is 138 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,870 green. I haven't seen the red one for over a year. You know, I 139 00:07:33,870 --> 00:07:39,870 am one of those people that ever since they did the dots test on 140 00:07:39,870 --> 00:07:43,680 me in I guess it must have been fifth or sixth grade. I can't 141 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,110 remember exactly what you know, the we were supposed to be able 142 00:07:46,110 --> 00:07:51,480 to see the the the numbers. Yeah. And I usually get like the 143 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,790 first one, right, the second one, right. And after that, I'm 144 00:07:53,790 --> 00:07:56,970 just like, I'm sorry, I can't see it. It's all dots. And they 145 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:03,600 claim that I am colorblind. And this is the first time in ever. 146 00:08:03,930 --> 00:08:07,890 I mean, maybe maybe I could have sworn that was Red John. But 147 00:08:07,890 --> 00:08:10,590 anyway, I'm colorblind for red and green. They say and you 148 00:08:10,590 --> 00:08:14,850 know, I know the top one is stop and the bottom one is go. Well, 149 00:08:14,850 --> 00:08:14,940 I 150 00:08:14,940 --> 00:08:18,360 mean, it's possible because that thing is green, but not red. But 151 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,070 it's funny that you would make them and say but I think you 152 00:08:20,070 --> 00:08:22,980 were more impressed with the size because the thing actually, 153 00:08:23,010 --> 00:08:25,470 you could put about five people under that umbrella. 154 00:08:25,529 --> 00:08:29,039 Oh, absolutely. We should send that to you know refugee camps. 155 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,500 So anyway, so I brought that umbrella and but it is a huge 156 00:08:34,530 --> 00:08:36,780 umbrella. But you know, the thing isn't a big storm like 157 00:08:36,780 --> 00:08:39,690 that. It's actually quite handy to have a monster umbrella. 158 00:08:40,470 --> 00:08:42,900 Because it really you just don't you know, normally with my 159 00:08:42,900 --> 00:08:45,210 regular umbrellas in a storm like that my legs would be 160 00:08:45,210 --> 00:08:48,330 soaked because the range is kind of you know, gets through. But 161 00:08:48,330 --> 00:08:50,370 with that umbrella, you come dry as a bone. 162 00:08:50,490 --> 00:08:53,040 And also it looked like it was it was sturdy. So you know, of 163 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:57,750 course mine was there was some reasonable wind and you now one 164 00:08:57,750 --> 00:08:59,940 or two of the spokes are sticking through because it does 165 00:08:59,940 --> 00:09:02,790 wreck the umbrellas, the cheaper ones. And you know, I have to 166 00:09:02,790 --> 00:09:08,520 say I was once given a beautiful umbrella set for the home. Six 167 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,300 umbrellas and a nice cast iron stand, you know, we could put it 168 00:09:12,300 --> 00:09:15,300 in in the water drains. And it is it really is a gift that 169 00:09:15,300 --> 00:09:18,570 keeps on giving and we should think more about that as a as a 170 00:09:18,570 --> 00:09:19,890 general gift for people. 171 00:09:20,820 --> 00:09:24,450 It is a good idea. Yeah. Umbrellas are also kind of 172 00:09:24,450 --> 00:09:27,840 handy. But anyway. Oh, anyway, so that's my umbrella. So I do 173 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,540 have one I don't usually bring it out. I just happen to have it 174 00:09:30,540 --> 00:09:35,850 in the car. And it's it is a it's huge. But you know, I think 175 00:09:35,850 --> 00:09:38,610 everybody everyone who saw it said the same thing as holy 176 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,620 crap. Look at the girth of that thing. 177 00:09:42,270 --> 00:09:44,490 To go up and down a lot with it because if somebody's coming the 178 00:09:44,490 --> 00:09:47,760 other way with any sizable I have to like make allowances for 179 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:53,100 them. Not banging into him. Okay, well anyway, so we're 180 00:09:53,100 --> 00:09:54,960 gonna talk about Neo liberalism. 181 00:09:55,380 --> 00:09:59,700 I looked it up even though it's supposed to be no agenda. I did. 182 00:09:59,700 --> 00:10:06,840 I did. If I did look up the definition of neoliberalism, and 183 00:10:07,500 --> 00:10:12,240 I guess it's it's a set of economic principles. 184 00:10:13,590 --> 00:10:16,980 You know, and it's vague to me, but I can did all I know is 185 00:10:16,980 --> 00:10:19,080 every once awhile it comes up in the conversation, although 186 00:10:19,140 --> 00:10:23,100 nobody would ever say that they're a NEO liberal, but Neo 187 00:10:23,100 --> 00:10:26,370 Liberalist iBag by and give you examples of people who are Neo 188 00:10:26,370 --> 00:10:32,100 liberals, okay, based on what everybody agrees on that try to 189 00:10:32,100 --> 00:10:35,940 define this word. I think the definition is essentially 190 00:10:35,940 --> 00:10:43,230 somebody who is a globalist, into globalisation of all sorts. 191 00:10:43,740 --> 00:10:47,610 And in their internationalists, I guess a lot of them, right, 192 00:10:47,700 --> 00:10:51,630 which is a different type of globalist. The internationalist 193 00:10:51,630 --> 00:10:56,670 seem to me to have stem from a movement to prevent future wars 194 00:10:57,390 --> 00:11:01,200 by having a one world government. But anyway, Neil, 195 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,670 the classic Neo liberals are Ronald Reagan, and Bill Clinton. 196 00:11:06,090 --> 00:11:09,630 Wait a minute. So what's the difference between a neoliberal 197 00:11:09,630 --> 00:11:13,710 and a neocon was it wasn't Reagan? It wasn't Reagan, a 198 00:11:13,710 --> 00:11:16,770 neocon like the like the archetype neocon? 199 00:11:17,850 --> 00:11:21,510 Well, he was surrounded by him, and he was, he was kind of one 200 00:11:21,510 --> 00:11:24,870 but you can be a NEO liberal and a neocon, you can be a NEO 201 00:11:24,870 --> 00:11:30,540 liberal and a normal liberal. You can be pretty much a NEO 202 00:11:30,540 --> 00:11:36,090 liberal and anything else except an old fashioned conservative, 203 00:11:36,540 --> 00:11:40,680 and a socialist, those don't mix with neoliberalism at all. 204 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,040 As much as it pains me. I'll read you the definition from 205 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:45,990 wiki PDF. Yeah, that 206 00:11:45,990 --> 00:11:47,580 definition is not a good one, by 207 00:11:47,580 --> 00:11:50,040 the way, and I'm not going to read the definition from wiki 208 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:56,340 PDF. I found another one. What is it? What is neoliberalism? 209 00:11:56,340 --> 00:12:00,120 Here we go Corp watch.com G a bit too, that's going to be 210 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:04,440 good. Neoliberalism is a set of economic policies that have 211 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,340 become widespread during the last 25 years or so. Although 212 00:12:08,340 --> 00:12:10,800 the word is rarely heard in the United States, you can clearly 213 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,370 see the effect of neoliberalism here as the rich go richer and 214 00:12:14,370 --> 00:12:18,840 the poor grow poorer. Okay, 215 00:12:18,870 --> 00:12:21,390 that doesn't really help much of a definition really helped 216 00:12:21,390 --> 00:12:26,700 me doesn't know. Neoliberalism refers to a political movement 217 00:12:26,700 --> 00:12:29,340 that espouses economic liberalism as a means of 218 00:12:29,340 --> 00:12:32,940 promoting economic development and securing political liberty. 219 00:12:33,570 --> 00:12:38,400 Yeah, that's closer to part of the definition. Now, I would say 220 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:43,020 that the precepts that you read about in the Confessions of an 221 00:12:43,020 --> 00:12:49,530 economic hitman are all neoliberal. Okay, and I think 222 00:12:49,530 --> 00:12:51,390 that's kind of what's going on there. But anyway, 223 00:12:52,050 --> 00:12:52,800 globalisation. 224 00:12:53,850 --> 00:12:58,200 It's a kind of a globalisation angle on things. Now, people 225 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,870 should look into this term, because it's an interesting one. 226 00:13:01,950 --> 00:13:04,680 It doesn't get used a lot in the United States, except by the 227 00:13:04,680 --> 00:13:08,790 progressives. If you watch a bunch of some of these free 228 00:13:08,790 --> 00:13:11,760 speech, TV has a lot of this stuff on it, which is a network 229 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,810 that is on the Dish Network, I think, I think Direct TV may 230 00:13:15,810 --> 00:13:20,610 have some cable places may have it is Fs TV, it's generally 231 00:13:20,670 --> 00:13:24,000 flaky, but they have a lot every once awhile, they'll have some 232 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:29,850 shows on there will be done by some radical socialists. And 233 00:13:29,850 --> 00:13:32,670 they are the ones who keep bringing it up. And that's kind 234 00:13:32,670 --> 00:13:35,280 of where I picked up on it because I, besides being a fan 235 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,600 of right wing Talk Radio, I'm also a big fan of left wing 236 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,040 crackpot TV. 237 00:13:42,870 --> 00:13:47,130 Do you watch Current TV at all? We have that over here. We don't 238 00:13:47,130 --> 00:13:49,710 have the FS TV we do have Current TV on now. 239 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,640 I haven't seen that as a network here. We have the offbeat 240 00:13:53,640 --> 00:14:00,060 networks that are my favourites. One is free speech TV. Which 241 00:14:00,060 --> 00:14:04,380 also by the way has a segment called the called gain news. 242 00:14:04,410 --> 00:14:07,770 Excellent. And the gain news is interesting because one of the 243 00:14:07,770 --> 00:14:11,610 things that they that they bring out is that they out people, 244 00:14:12,090 --> 00:14:13,950 no way no way. 245 00:14:14,010 --> 00:14:16,170 And they're always in this kind of interesting and say, Well, 246 00:14:16,170 --> 00:14:18,720 you know and yeah, he wins he gonna come out and admit, you 247 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,510 know, and you're listening to me saying you go to your you say to 248 00:14:21,510 --> 00:14:26,640 yourself, Wow, I didn't know that guy was gay. So it's, it's 249 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:28,950 actually very educational in that regard. But what's funny 250 00:14:28,950 --> 00:14:33,180 about it, and I never I haven't brought this up to Tom Merritt 251 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:33,930 and Molly 252 00:14:33,930 --> 00:14:36,540 wood from CNET buzz out loud. 253 00:14:37,020 --> 00:14:39,990 Yeah, their buzz out loud show which they do occasionally on 254 00:14:39,990 --> 00:14:43,770 the video. Because I saw him doing it at CES. You look at it 255 00:14:43,770 --> 00:14:50,310 and it looks it looks exactly like, like gay TV. Gay news. 256 00:14:50,340 --> 00:14:53,430 I'll tell you. I'll tell you, you know, I started 257 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,730 as a guy the way let me just show you guys I can't remember 258 00:14:56,730 --> 00:15:00,960 his name, but he's like, kind of a grumpy older are male. And 259 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,810 then there's this woman with the short cropped hair, whose whole, 260 00:15:03,870 --> 00:15:07,710 it was actually quite humorous and funny. And this just seems 261 00:15:07,710 --> 00:15:10,650 that you when you see this show, and then you see the buzz out 262 00:15:10,650 --> 00:15:12,840 loud, you just say, Hmm, I wonder where they got the idea 263 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:14,010 for that model? 264 00:15:15,990 --> 00:15:19,200 Well, I started listening to buzz, I've never really, you 265 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:25,950 know, read much of CNET or his gay TV channel, gay TV, gay 266 00:15:25,950 --> 00:15:29,400 news, look for gay gay news, K news. I started listening to 267 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:34,650 buzz out loud, probably 100 episodes or so ago. And, and 268 00:15:34,650 --> 00:15:37,830 kind of got into it, you know, because going into going into 269 00:15:37,830 --> 00:15:42,000 the city into London, it's almost the perfect length to go 270 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,270 from my house to the station waiting for the train. You know, 271 00:15:45,270 --> 00:15:49,800 it's like it was like 40 or 45 minutes. So perfect, right. And 272 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:56,610 I'd never seen Tom or Molly. And when I saw them, I guess they 273 00:15:56,610 --> 00:16:01,560 were at CES, or I've in the last month or so I've seen them 274 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:05,400 around. It was kind of a bummer. Because you get the you know, I 275 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,980 don't mean in a bad way. But you get that image, you know, and, 276 00:16:08,250 --> 00:16:11,190 and I have had a very different image of Molly for sure enough 277 00:16:11,190 --> 00:16:14,340 to have Tom as well. And then you see them. It's like, oh, 278 00:16:14,340 --> 00:16:18,540 yeah, well, that kind of geeky. Just wasn't what I expected. 279 00:16:18,570 --> 00:16:20,850 Yeah, I didn't get to experience I know what you're saying. I 280 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,460 felt that experience is always good for a laugh, you know, when 281 00:16:23,460 --> 00:16:25,800 you pre conceived. But the problem is, I've known the two 282 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,710 of them long before I ever heard buzz out loud. So I couldn't get 283 00:16:28,710 --> 00:16:31,710 that effect. But that happened to me recently was something I 284 00:16:31,710 --> 00:16:34,530 was listening to that I never saw the person. And when I 285 00:16:34,530 --> 00:16:38,490 finally saw him, I said, wow, it's nothing like does not even 286 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,970 not even close. Actually the famous, who I think is one of 287 00:16:41,970 --> 00:16:45,720 the great broadcasters in the United States, Jim Rome. I used 288 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,520 to listen to on the radio all the time. And the first time I 289 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,310 saw him on TV was like, wow, this guy doesn't look anything 290 00:16:50,310 --> 00:16:53,520 like he sounds but But over time, when you see the person 291 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,150 and then you see hear the voice, at some point, they meld and you 292 00:16:57,150 --> 00:17:00,390 and you did that shock of the difference. It just fades, 293 00:17:00,390 --> 00:17:02,850 it fades away, it dissipates after a while. 294 00:17:04,230 --> 00:17:07,410 Now I got a cough or a note from somebody that that's kind of 295 00:17:07,410 --> 00:17:10,620 interesting, because when you bring up the idea that you have, 296 00:17:11,340 --> 00:17:14,340 you make the commute into London, and it's just enough to 297 00:17:14,340 --> 00:17:18,150 listen to buzz out loud. I got a note from someone who who went 298 00:17:18,150 --> 00:17:21,240 on and on about how he would podcasts he listened to, and he 299 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,880 does the same thing. And he can't listen to cranky geeks. 300 00:17:24,210 --> 00:17:28,470 Apparently, because it's true. It's all timing. And I wonder 301 00:17:28,470 --> 00:17:30,780 how many people you know, they just essentially they put 302 00:17:30,780 --> 00:17:34,350 together a bunch of their own radio programming. And then it's 303 00:17:34,350 --> 00:17:38,550 all based on timing. And unless you can bump somebody off of 304 00:17:38,550 --> 00:17:41,670 their iPod, right, you can never you they will never listen to 305 00:17:41,670 --> 00:17:41,880 you. 306 00:17:41,940 --> 00:17:45,870 Well, this was a this was part of the original concept behind 307 00:17:45,870 --> 00:17:49,440 the pod showed channels where you could basically you know, 308 00:17:49,950 --> 00:17:54,480 and we still have to teach people and to the benefits of 309 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,670 it, but where you where you should you could either a 310 00:17:56,910 --> 00:18:00,060 manually put together, you know, like two or three shows. So and 311 00:18:00,060 --> 00:18:03,840 actually, I have an on the go channel, which consists of New 312 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:09,300 York Times front page, your show tech five, and then buzz out 313 00:18:09,300 --> 00:18:12,660 loud. And so those three combined, you know, pretty much 314 00:18:12,660 --> 00:18:15,480 gives me the information I want on the way in, and it's the 315 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,650 right length. And we've been toying around with the idea of 316 00:18:19,740 --> 00:18:22,650 you should be able to say, all right, how long would you like, 317 00:18:22,740 --> 00:18:25,920 like a wizard? You know, how long is your commute? Okay, 45 318 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,680 minutes? What are you interested in, you know, give me some tech, 319 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,130 give me some sports, give me some, give me some music or 320 00:18:32,130 --> 00:18:34,710 whatever. And then it's just kind of like, automatically 321 00:18:34,710 --> 00:18:38,700 create something for you. Because if it's true, I got a 322 00:18:38,700 --> 00:18:42,000 note from someone the other day who said, I love the no agenda. 323 00:18:42,270 --> 00:18:44,970 But when you do an hour, it sucks. You know, could you break 324 00:18:44,970 --> 00:18:47,550 it into two parts or you know, which of course we're not going 325 00:18:47,550 --> 00:18:54,630 to do ever hear of pause and stop and rewind and play. But it 326 00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:58,620 makes a difference. The length of the show really makes it 327 00:18:58,620 --> 00:19:02,940 determines if someone is going to listen to it on a regular 328 00:19:02,940 --> 00:19:05,940 basis or not just based upon their commute. It's pretty it's 329 00:19:05,940 --> 00:19:06,720 pretty interesting. 330 00:19:07,140 --> 00:19:10,260 Yeah, it's really it's not been it hasn't been studied to any 331 00:19:10,260 --> 00:19:14,130 extent by any sociologists or by market researchers. For that 332 00:19:14,130 --> 00:19:14,670 matter. God 333 00:19:14,670 --> 00:19:15,150 forbid, 334 00:19:15,329 --> 00:19:19,709 I know that the five minutes shows like No, look. Tech five 335 00:19:19,739 --> 00:19:23,579 Yeah. Are you can always get those you can get those get 336 00:19:23,609 --> 00:19:25,709 slipped in here and there because you know, five minutes 337 00:19:25,709 --> 00:19:28,949 you can always kind of force into you can see you can just 338 00:19:28,949 --> 00:19:30,599 shoehorn them into somebody's list. 339 00:19:30,629 --> 00:19:38,399 Yeah. It's a damn fine show, Mr. Dvorak. Really is I like it? I'm 340 00:19:38,399 --> 00:19:41,189 doing well. I might add Holy crap. I saw the numbers the 341 00:19:41,189 --> 00:19:44,579 other day. Yeah, just getting there. You're on the path like a 342 00:19:44,579 --> 00:19:46,559 million a month or something. It's crazy. 343 00:19:48,660 --> 00:19:51,870 Yeah, that's not bad. No. Anyway, I'm always thinking big 344 00:19:51,870 --> 00:19:55,770 numbers. So I guess 100 million then I'm there. But you and me 345 00:19:55,770 --> 00:19:58,410 both maybe it's worldwide audience I mean, we should have 346 00:19:58,410 --> 00:20:00,630 like, you know, there's like people inch 90 should be 347 00:20:00,630 --> 00:20:02,580 listened to and whose can understand English should be 348 00:20:02,580 --> 00:20:03,600 listening to this show. 349 00:20:04,079 --> 00:20:08,909 There was an article in what was it? I'm gonna say Financial 350 00:20:08,909 --> 00:20:14,279 Times, again, of course, talking about the US Information Agency. 351 00:20:14,669 --> 00:20:18,809 And you know, these are the guys who will set up, you know, like 352 00:20:18,809 --> 00:20:22,199 the Voice of America and radio, Swan, all these propaganda 353 00:20:22,229 --> 00:20:26,729 stations, they wherever us propaganda is, is necessary, 354 00:20:26,819 --> 00:20:32,249 quote necessary. And during the, during the Gulf War, they set 355 00:20:32,249 --> 00:20:35,429 one up, they had at one point they had an aeroplane with all 356 00:20:35,429 --> 00:20:39,089 these transmitters like a C 130 that would fly around and just 357 00:20:39,089 --> 00:20:43,289 jam all the frequencies. And now Rumsfeld was quoted in this 358 00:20:43,289 --> 00:20:45,719 article saying, you know, we need to do this again, and we 359 00:20:45,719 --> 00:20:49,859 need to, but we need to expand and we need to do things on the 360 00:20:49,859 --> 00:20:52,739 internet. And we have to have blogs that are disseminating 361 00:20:52,739 --> 00:20:55,559 information like, Wow, good luck. 362 00:20:57,300 --> 00:20:59,340 Well, that's brings up an interesting point i How would 363 00:20:59,340 --> 00:21:03,150 you jam? I mean, you could have ISPs do it, I guess, for 364 00:21:03,150 --> 00:21:05,700 example, that our show was streamed to somebody's play or 365 00:21:05,700 --> 00:21:09,930 on their computer, perhaps. And you could jam that or just screw 366 00:21:09,930 --> 00:21:13,110 it up. But you couldn't jam the downloads, which is where most 367 00:21:13,110 --> 00:21:15,750 people will have most people are doing this. It's an interesting, 368 00:21:15,900 --> 00:21:18,600 actually, it would be interesting to figure out and 369 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,240 start a company. Not that I'd want to do this because I think 370 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,430 it's a negative thing. But I'm just thinking in terms of the 371 00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:29,430 possibilities here. A company can jam broadcasts are on 372 00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:32,970 the net. So basically, like you, you suck up, whatever stream is 373 00:21:32,970 --> 00:21:35,370 coming out and use you poop something different out on the 374 00:21:35,370 --> 00:21:35,910 other end. 375 00:21:36,599 --> 00:21:37,679 That would be good. 376 00:21:37,859 --> 00:21:46,439 Mm hmm. Or perhaps Oh, dude, idea. Speaking of, I promise 377 00:21:46,439 --> 00:21:49,079 you, I'll tell you my story again. 378 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,430 Entry into the United States story, a new entry story. 379 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,510 So I have a story and I have an I thought up a hack. So first, 380 00:21:57,510 --> 00:22:01,230 the story. This is when I arrived at San Francisco 381 00:22:01,740 --> 00:22:05,580 International Airport, which by the way, there is a big 382 00:22:05,580 --> 00:22:11,160 difference between SFO arrival and liberty Airport in New York. 383 00:22:12,270 --> 00:22:16,050 Because that they actually have a secondary screening room. You 384 00:22:16,050 --> 00:22:20,520 know, the whole process there, they they hand hand walk you it 385 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,450 at Newark, they hand walk you over to the to the secondary 386 00:22:24,450 --> 00:22:28,230 screening room. So you know, it's in San Francisco, you get 387 00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:31,920 your you go through customs, the guy so what happened, of course, 388 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:37,440 is actually, the guy took my custom form, the guy, the 389 00:22:37,470 --> 00:22:42,540 Customs Border Patrol agency officer, took my form, he 390 00:22:42,540 --> 00:22:45,300 immediately put the, like the single stripe on it, because, 391 00:22:45,300 --> 00:22:46,770 you know, he looked at me and it's like, it just put the 392 00:22:46,770 --> 00:22:49,980 stripe on it, which means you're okay to pass that one, it looks 393 00:22:49,980 --> 00:22:52,830 like a one but it just kind of like a, like a big vertical 394 00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:58,170 Dash. And, and then he scanned my passport. And he and you 395 00:22:58,170 --> 00:23:01,140 know, and of course recognise the look. And he said, Hey, 396 00:23:01,170 --> 00:23:08,640 aren't you the guy from MTV? I said, I said, Yeah. And he said, 397 00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:12,360 Oh, cool, what's your deal, and he just like, made like, a 398 00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:16,590 minute of chit chat and then wrote an M, next to the stripe 399 00:23:16,590 --> 00:23:21,090 that was already on my car. And I said up, even MTV guy is still 400 00:23:21,090 --> 00:23:24,870 on the list. He says, Yeah, he just didn't really say anything. 401 00:23:25,260 --> 00:23:29,820 So then you go, you walk basically around the corner, you 402 00:23:29,820 --> 00:23:33,750 pick up your suitcase, and then you have to hand off your card 403 00:23:34,350 --> 00:23:37,560 to the officer and then you're either out the door, or you go 404 00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:41,610 straight ahead into one of the lines where the where they open 405 00:23:41,610 --> 00:23:45,870 up your suitcase and talk to you. And so I took a little 406 00:23:45,870 --> 00:23:49,200 different approach this time. And I went up to the officer, 407 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,490 you know, really smiley standing tall, I was really in a very 408 00:23:53,490 --> 00:23:57,960 positive mode. I handed it to him. And I said, I think this 409 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,450 one's for the blue envelope, because they have a little blue 410 00:24:00,450 --> 00:24:04,500 clear plastic pouch that they didn't put that into and said, 411 00:24:04,500 --> 00:24:06,720 Yeah, because this guy recognised me too. I could see 412 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,500 it in his eyes. And they said, Yeah, come over here. And he 413 00:24:10,500 --> 00:24:14,220 walked me up to the desk. And it was one of those weird 414 00:24:14,220 --> 00:24:16,740 situations where you could see that he was trying to 415 00:24:16,740 --> 00:24:19,590 communicate something to the officers behind the desk, 416 00:24:19,740 --> 00:24:25,500 basically had I heard him say, Don't you know who this is? And 417 00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:27,720 there was like, No, there's like a moment of them kind of looking 418 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:32,130 at each other. And, and then they went into the computer. And 419 00:24:32,130 --> 00:24:35,670 I said, Yeah, you know, this is another random test. I guess 420 00:24:35,670 --> 00:24:40,800 it's the fifth or sixth time and in as many Vinit visits. And the 421 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,910 guy said, wow, you're still on the list. I said, Yeah. I said, 422 00:24:44,910 --> 00:24:48,090 Can you take me off? He said, No, but I can give you the Oh, 423 00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:51,060 the Freedom of Information Act request form now. Thanks. I 424 00:24:51,060 --> 00:24:54,660 already got one of those. And then he waved me through. He 425 00:24:54,660 --> 00:24:57,150 said, All right, man, sorry about that. I can't help it and 426 00:24:57,150 --> 00:25:01,830 he'd let me go right through. Now Here's the hack that I 427 00:25:01,830 --> 00:25:05,910 thought of these custom forms. And basically, they hand them 428 00:25:05,910 --> 00:25:09,090 out in the aeroplane you fill it in, you put in, you know, the 429 00:25:09,090 --> 00:25:13,170 first you name, your, your passport, your flight number, 430 00:25:13,170 --> 00:25:16,110 what other countries you visited? And then you have the 431 00:25:16,110 --> 00:25:19,260 10 questions in which the first one is yes, is this business? 432 00:25:19,410 --> 00:25:21,630 And then all the rest? Of course, you want to answer no, 433 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,930 you know, Are you a terrorist? Are you carrying more than 434 00:25:24,930 --> 00:25:29,640 $10,000? You know, etc, etc. But you can take as many of these as 435 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:35,220 you want. And what what if I took a couple of them or just 436 00:25:35,220 --> 00:25:39,450 two and fill them both out except on one I put a stripe and 437 00:25:39,450 --> 00:25:43,560 put that in my pocket. And then hand the the other one to the to 438 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,500 the customs officer who then of course will put an M on it. I 439 00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:48,720 put that one in my pocket, switch it out for the one with 440 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,030 the stripe and then just walk right through? Is there anything 441 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:55,320 they'd never know? It's a complete, easy hack. 442 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:57,990 When I separate the cameras, 443 00:25:59,099 --> 00:26:02,819 the cameras pleased they'd never seen me do that. They'd never 444 00:26:02,849 --> 00:26:03,839 never notice it. 445 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,430 Well, why don't you give it a shot? 446 00:26:07,740 --> 00:26:11,280 Hey, John, it's Adam. I mean, get mo man, come on, you gotta 447 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,720 get me Get me out and get more. I might try it. I am really 448 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,260 thinking I'm going to try it. And I took a flight out from San 449 00:26:19,260 --> 00:26:27,390 Francisco to my undisclosed location. And I was kind of in a 450 00:26:27,390 --> 00:26:34,830 foul mood and before you go in to into the security area, 451 00:26:35,070 --> 00:26:38,550 there's a guy there who you know is supposed to like check I 452 00:26:38,550 --> 00:26:41,580 think all he has to do is check and see if your name is the on 453 00:26:41,580 --> 00:26:44,190 the boarding card is the same name as his in your passport 454 00:26:44,190 --> 00:26:47,730 because it's international travel. And I could just see 455 00:26:47,730 --> 00:26:51,630 this guy and he was like totally uninterested, complete jerk off. 456 00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:56,340 And I shined him basically like, you know, like, you know, I'm 457 00:26:56,340 --> 00:26:59,010 not I'm not gonna say how you doing sir or any of that shit. 458 00:26:59,190 --> 00:27:02,790 And he and I could see that he was picking up on that vibe. And 459 00:27:02,790 --> 00:27:06,810 he wrote down secondary screening, which is SS you know, 460 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,070 right. Cool. Interesting that that's SSH, isn't it? So I wrote 461 00:27:11,070 --> 00:27:14,730 down SSH on my boarding card. And I put the boarding card in 462 00:27:14,730 --> 00:27:18,840 my back pocket because you know, usually what most people do like 463 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,890 sheep, you go through the metal detector and then your you show 464 00:27:22,890 --> 00:27:26,880 your boarding card to the to the officer and if it has the SS on 465 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,150 it, then you have to go for a secondary screening. I just 466 00:27:30,150 --> 00:27:35,100 didn't show it to him kept walking right on through not a 467 00:27:35,100 --> 00:27:35,730 problem 468 00:27:38,970 --> 00:27:40,050 that's interesting. 469 00:27:40,290 --> 00:27:41,850 No, it's pisses me off. 470 00:27:41,849 --> 00:27:45,389 Yeah, real Stickler, I'm sorry, it depends. You know, it's not 471 00:27:45,389 --> 00:27:47,639 all the airports require that you walk through and have to 472 00:27:47,639 --> 00:27:51,749 show your boarding pass twice. I think that's like spotty. I see 473 00:27:51,749 --> 00:27:54,299 it here I see it there I don't think international it's pretty 474 00:27:54,299 --> 00:27:58,469 much standard that could be but anyway whatever the case is they 475 00:27:58,469 --> 00:28:02,489 usually ask to see it at least I because I use a pocket at 476 00:28:02,489 --> 00:28:08,309 somewhere to and I had to pull it out I think it's ridiculous 477 00:28:08,309 --> 00:28:10,979 really redundant. I mean, one guy just saw it was another guy 478 00:28:11,009 --> 00:28:13,499 to see it. Well I don't want to ever have to yet but maybe I 479 00:28:13,499 --> 00:28:16,799 didn't ever thought it was for the S S thing. Yeah, well, so 480 00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:19,769 you you weigh me you came into this guy knew grumped you were 481 00:28:19,769 --> 00:28:22,319 like a grump and you wouldn't say hi and so he put SS Yeah, 482 00:28:22,739 --> 00:28:26,129 yeah, yeah, absolutely. Don't you think that's like a bad 483 00:28:26,129 --> 00:28:27,389 policy? Well, the 484 00:28:27,390 --> 00:28:29,490 whole thing is full of shit. This is my point. I 485 00:28:29,490 --> 00:28:30,990 mean, you your policy. 486 00:28:32,790 --> 00:28:35,880 Excuse me, I want to I have to be happy go lucky to some 487 00:28:35,910 --> 00:28:39,990 dickhead who all is his only job is to check and see if the name 488 00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:43,290 matches on the boarding pass matches. You know what's on the 489 00:28:43,740 --> 00:28:47,400 what's on the passport? I just didn't feel like it. You know, 490 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,240 screw that. I'm sick and tired of this shit. It's ineffective 491 00:28:51,270 --> 00:28:54,090 if it actually worked. And if they were consistent, yeah, 492 00:28:54,090 --> 00:28:56,670 okay, then I can say it was like, you know, security, but 493 00:28:56,670 --> 00:28:58,830 look at looking at how flimsy it is. 494 00:28:59,339 --> 00:29:02,909 Ya know, I know it's not very good dog. It's mostly a sham. 495 00:29:03,030 --> 00:29:09,300 It's dumb. completely dumb. And you and I but I also shined off 496 00:29:09,300 --> 00:29:13,620 the the clear people because it's right next to the to the 497 00:29:13,620 --> 00:29:16,920 entrance you have that clear line where if you have the if 498 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,280 you're registered, and the government follows you then you 499 00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:23,490 apparently or supposedly can go through the line faster. Those 500 00:29:23,490 --> 00:29:27,030 people are now trying to sell you to join up to the programme. 501 00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:33,150 Like sir if you sign up for this programme then you can you can 502 00:29:33,150 --> 00:29:35,460 get through security a lot faster and I think I said 503 00:29:35,460 --> 00:29:39,480 something like she Yeah, right. I'm gonna go I'm gonna sign up 504 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:45,630 to your programme. I don't think so and kept walking like a big 505 00:29:45,630 --> 00:29:45,900 hero. 506 00:29:46,110 --> 00:29:49,050 I didn't know they were allowed to do that. That's shilling for 507 00:29:49,050 --> 00:29:52,320 the euro. They are bar like Barker. Yeah, they aren't why 508 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,410 they become a scantily clad women while they're at it, then 509 00:29:55,410 --> 00:29:55,980 I would sign 510 00:29:55,980 --> 00:29:59,730 up for sure. And you know, I wonder are you drinking tea do I 511 00:29:59,730 --> 00:30:01,770 hear Is x tippity there and the vorak 512 00:30:02,130 --> 00:30:04,980 I'm drinking by the way, I've switched over completely for 513 00:30:04,980 --> 00:30:08,580 people out there who want to know about our Tea Chats to this 514 00:30:08,580 --> 00:30:10,800 special blend PG Tips. 515 00:30:11,819 --> 00:30:14,519 Which one is that? It's called special blend. 516 00:30:15,089 --> 00:30:18,599 It's called special blend is against it in a gold box it had 517 00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:21,749 they had a special blend that they did for their anniversary a 518 00:30:21,749 --> 00:30:24,779 few years ago. And then they decided to release it as a 519 00:30:24,779 --> 00:30:29,189 regular product. And it's just slightly smoother than the 520 00:30:29,189 --> 00:30:32,519 regular PG Tips and it doesn't it has just it's just a little 521 00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:39,389 different. And it's about 50 cents more a box of ad. So it's 522 00:30:39,389 --> 00:30:39,959 one drinkin. 523 00:30:41,700 --> 00:30:45,150 Happy to hear it. It's good for you. 524 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,670 Those antioxidants. So anyway, okay, why we wanted to hear 525 00:30:50,670 --> 00:30:54,600 that. By the way, I ran it. I was at the Macworld Expo and I 526 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:59,430 ran into one of the guys who's the PR guy for verbatim. 527 00:30:59,849 --> 00:31:01,589 What's that? And what's probate? I 528 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,450 do want to bring a bunch of technical stuff. 529 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,420 Oh, wait a minute, verbatim that don't tell me that's the that's 530 00:31:06,420 --> 00:31:08,850 the company that does those double links, and then you mouse 531 00:31:08,850 --> 00:31:11,610 over it and it pops up advertising is that verbatim? 532 00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:15,149 No, the company that makes blank CD ROMs. 533 00:31:15,210 --> 00:31:17,790 Okay, that would be something completely different. Yeah, I 534 00:31:17,790 --> 00:31:19,560 know what you're talking about. There's a bunch of companies 535 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,960 that do that, by the way, contour. There's a few other 536 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,960 ones there. Those are the most annoying thing on the internet. 537 00:31:25,530 --> 00:31:28,620 I actually had it on my blog for a while I had contours and I 538 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,550 think I got like $100 a month or something for these annoyances 539 00:31:32,550 --> 00:31:35,820 and I just dropped it. Because I know people didn't like it. I 540 00:31:35,820 --> 00:31:36,480 didn't like it. 541 00:31:36,540 --> 00:31:42,630 Shan Shan Finnegan, who is or was or maybe still is the CEO of 542 00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:46,560 OMD, digital, that's a Omni comms digital advertising 543 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,320 agency. He was just he was promoted, like, I think six or 544 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:55,080 seven months ago to CEO and, and this is a, this is a really big 545 00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:58,320 ad agency. I mean, they do a hell of a lot of media buying. 546 00:31:58,530 --> 00:32:02,760 He recently just left to go to one of those companies. I was 547 00:32:02,820 --> 00:32:07,110 astounded. I was like, man, it's like, I hate it. I really hate 548 00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:12,480 it, you know, popping up windows fucking ads on 549 00:32:12,569 --> 00:32:17,459 I know, I find it disturbing. But anyway, so verbatim. It just 550 00:32:17,459 --> 00:32:19,949 It mentions people out there who are you know, need to do know 551 00:32:19,949 --> 00:32:23,429 this. So that so I'm looking at their different kinds of, you 552 00:32:23,429 --> 00:32:29,099 know, recordable media. And they have a gold a disk with gold in 553 00:32:29,099 --> 00:32:33,989 it. And it's a it's an art specifically for 100 years of 554 00:32:34,019 --> 00:32:38,549 archiving. If you have a you know, a CD or DVD that you want 555 00:32:38,549 --> 00:32:41,009 to, you know, not a DVD but if you have a lot of files that you 556 00:32:41,009 --> 00:32:45,659 really want to protect for 100 years, they have an archivable 557 00:32:46,169 --> 00:32:50,609 burnable disk cost about $1. But which is expensive for what it 558 00:32:50,610 --> 00:32:53,760 was, oh, it won't disintegrate. Is that the deal? Yeah, it's 559 00:32:53,759 --> 00:32:56,249 got gold in it or something. I don't know how it even if it's a 560 00:32:56,249 --> 00:32:58,769 different formulation of whatever they do in there, but I 561 00:32:58,769 --> 00:33:00,509 just thought it was interesting. So have 562 00:33:00,509 --> 00:33:05,579 you ever actually reached for an archived DVD or CD and only to 563 00:33:05,579 --> 00:33:07,979 discover that it had been laying around too long and didn't work 564 00:33:07,979 --> 00:33:09,929 anymore? Have you actually ever had that happen to you? 565 00:33:10,589 --> 00:33:14,249 A couple of times really? Yeah, cuz I was you have to remember I 566 00:33:14,249 --> 00:33:18,119 got into the seat. The burnable is when they were 1x. And you 567 00:33:18,119 --> 00:33:21,389 have to buy these, you know, these scuzzy drives even burn 568 00:33:21,389 --> 00:33:25,439 this thing about scuzzy. Yeah, oh, scuzzy drives. And so they 569 00:33:25,439 --> 00:33:28,499 were talking about some of the original disks that were made. 570 00:33:28,769 --> 00:33:33,659 And, and I have a few of them that were ran off of an OS two 571 00:33:33,659 --> 00:33:36,569 machine that were that essentially some of the sectors 572 00:33:36,569 --> 00:33:40,289 are gone. And I luckily, if you use the one of the drives that I 573 00:33:40,289 --> 00:33:44,459 mean, really good quality reader, or drive is made by Plex 574 00:33:44,459 --> 00:33:50,459 store. One time I was talking to some company that analyse discs 575 00:33:50,489 --> 00:33:56,099 for for some for you know, as a consultant to this consultancy, 576 00:33:56,369 --> 00:33:59,219 and the guy says he wouldn't go on the record. But he says if 577 00:33:59,219 --> 00:34:01,919 you want to get a burner that does, you know that is 578 00:34:01,979 --> 00:34:04,979 outstanding, you get a Plex store. So I've always only use 579 00:34:04,979 --> 00:34:08,609 Plex stores ever since. So I have this one drive is really a 580 00:34:08,609 --> 00:34:11,729 classic, that's one of their best that they've ever made. And 581 00:34:11,759 --> 00:34:17,579 I could get the data off of the CD ROM from that one drive only 582 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:21,029 no other drive. And I had maybe five of them that I checked 583 00:34:21,089 --> 00:34:24,839 could read this disk it was it was over the hill, and it was 584 00:34:24,839 --> 00:34:29,399 probably 20 years old. And I save the data and then burn it 585 00:34:29,399 --> 00:34:33,599 to another new disk. So yes, these discs do not last forever. 586 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,140 Interesting. I've never had you know, I used to do a lot of 587 00:34:37,140 --> 00:34:40,890 archiving. And at one point, I was like, you know, I actually 588 00:34:40,890 --> 00:34:44,910 never ever go back and try and find anything ever. And the 589 00:34:44,910 --> 00:34:47,520 stuff that's worth it is probably posted online somewhere 590 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:52,260 anyway, so I'm always hoping that, you know, Google or Apple 591 00:34:52,260 --> 00:34:55,320 doesn't go out of business. Some I should I'll still be on their 592 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:56,010 servers. 593 00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:00,630 Well, the Apple and Google won't go out of business but I, you 594 00:35:00,630 --> 00:35:02,820 know, I just think people should be aware of the fact that these 595 00:35:02,820 --> 00:35:06,270 discs do fail. And it's and I have more than a couple of 596 00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:08,700 deaths, not only the one example, I probably maybe three 597 00:35:08,700 --> 00:35:13,050 or four disks I found over time, that are old, and they're just 598 00:35:13,050 --> 00:35:16,590 not hanging in there. It's just like, they're dying, 599 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:22,200 vibrant media. That's what it is. That's what Finnegan went 600 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:23,070 to. Yeah. 601 00:35:24,090 --> 00:35:26,430 So here in the States, by the way, I don't know if you 602 00:35:26,430 --> 00:35:30,900 noticed, because you took off. But Obama won the South Carolina 603 00:35:31,650 --> 00:35:34,650 primary and everything that I predicted years ago, are 604 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,980 starting to fall into place except for the Giuliani aspect. 605 00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:42,720 Okay, that the Democratic ticket will be Hillary and Obama's VP, 606 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,200 which is totally unelectable ticket, and then it'll be McCain 607 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,930 and then I originally thought would be Giuliani, but now I'm 608 00:35:48,930 --> 00:35:52,140 leaning toward Romney. But I, you know, I'm not taking money 609 00:35:52,140 --> 00:35:52,530 on that. 610 00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:56,070 Ron Paul has come in, what did he How did he do in South 611 00:35:56,070 --> 00:35:57,060 Carolina? Actually? 612 00:35:57,630 --> 00:36:01,890 I don't know. If he's over, he's not gonna get anywhere. 613 00:36:02,490 --> 00:36:06,030 Don't say those things. John. I'm just telling you. He came 614 00:36:06,030 --> 00:36:08,640 in? Well, you know, there's been all kinds of voter. There's all 615 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,960 kinds. Yeah, but it sure is, you know, there was voter fraud in 616 00:36:14,730 --> 00:36:16,590 trying to think which primary that was 617 00:36:16,770 --> 00:36:19,440 just throw darts at a map, and you'll find that you'll find the 618 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:20,370 answer. Yeah. 619 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:26,010 He came in second somewhere. Yeah. And of course, he got not 620 00:36:26,010 --> 00:36:29,430 even mentioned at any of the press or in any article anywhere 621 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,440 that he came in second. Its process is so fucking stupid. 622 00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:38,490 Hey, they're going for a $5 million boost. They've got a new 623 00:36:38,490 --> 00:36:43,290 campaign going for the gold. Oh, cool. On Ron Paul 624 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,970 2000 eight.com. February 5, they're going for $5 million 625 00:36:47,970 --> 00:36:50,010 dollars. They'll get it to, they'll get it? 626 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:55,260 Well, good. But anyway, the plan is good. Everything is going 627 00:36:55,260 --> 00:36:56,670 according to plan the way I see it. 628 00:36:58,380 --> 00:37:02,430 Well, we've written it down. We've documented it. And I think 629 00:37:02,430 --> 00:37:05,250 you're right, I did something weird with Giuliani and he must 630 00:37:05,250 --> 00:37:07,440 have pissed someone off or something. Well, you know, I 631 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,840 think the the problem with Giuliani, you know, he had a 632 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,650 bunch of these, I thought he was a shoo in for a while. But and 633 00:37:13,650 --> 00:37:17,490 you know, now he's just doing occasional primaries. But if you 634 00:37:17,490 --> 00:37:20,430 followed it from from like, but six months ago, and he had all 635 00:37:20,430 --> 00:37:22,770 these different campaign managers from here and there 636 00:37:22,770 --> 00:37:27,840 that were all mobbed up. It's just seems like, you know, 637 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:33,480 there's something there's something screwy about him and 638 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,620 his connections. And I think that the party is concerned 639 00:37:37,620 --> 00:37:40,350 about it to such an extreme that I don't think he has a shot at 640 00:37:40,350 --> 00:37:42,270 anything, including the vice president. So that kind of 641 00:37:42,270 --> 00:37:45,540 pushed them out a little bit. Well, I mean, it's just not you 642 00:37:45,540 --> 00:37:47,850 know, they don't need this kind of aggravation. They have to 643 00:37:47,850 --> 00:37:50,430 have a clean ticket. You know, so you have like, you know, 644 00:37:50,430 --> 00:37:52,110 that's why I think it'd be interesting that McCain and 645 00:37:52,110 --> 00:37:54,240 Romney because they're not gonna find anything bad about McCain. 646 00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:56,970 He's a war hero. It was in a concentration camp. I mean, you 647 00:37:56,970 --> 00:37:59,790 know, it might have some you might be too liberal for some of 648 00:37:59,790 --> 00:38:03,180 these guys and Romney squeaky clean. So I mean, you know, got 649 00:38:03,210 --> 00:38:06,030 you got nothing. Meanwhile, the other two whoever they are, 650 00:38:06,060 --> 00:38:08,760 which will be Hillary and someone there, you know, they'll 651 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,170 have found all kinds of dirt on them. 652 00:38:11,550 --> 00:38:16,170 So who's Huckabee is still doing very well for the Republicans. 653 00:38:16,170 --> 00:38:18,540 I'm pretty, pretty amazed by that. 654 00:38:18,810 --> 00:38:22,140 And he's, so I watched you know, that one of the things that I 655 00:38:22,140 --> 00:38:24,960 always advise people to do to get a kind of a feeling for how 656 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,950 these things are going to go is to watch these guys on the two 657 00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:32,700 major US talk shows, which is Letterman and Leno. And they all 658 00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:36,240 show up. And I saw it for the first time. I've seen Huckabee 659 00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:39,540 before and I said this, if any, if there was going to be an open 660 00:38:39,540 --> 00:38:46,440 mic stand up comedy competition, Huckabee would kill him. Funnily 661 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,370 quick. Yeah, he's very quick witted. And he's very funny. And 662 00:38:50,370 --> 00:38:54,330 he's got a great presence. He's got to you know, so I was I was 663 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:55,260 shocked actually 664 00:38:55,289 --> 00:38:58,709 and every American always loves you know, a guy who can pick up 665 00:38:58,709 --> 00:39:01,169 a bass guitar and jam with the band you know, that's that's 666 00:39:01,169 --> 00:39:04,049 always a plus. It did well for Clinton 667 00:39:04,890 --> 00:39:08,790 gimmick doesn't do anything for me. But anyway, so Romney was on 668 00:39:08,820 --> 00:39:12,210 the Leno Show recently. And I thought he was you know, 669 00:39:12,210 --> 00:39:20,820 reminded me a little bit of Dean was a Howard Dean when he first 670 00:39:20,820 --> 00:39:24,120 came out, you know, Howard Dean was you know, a couple elections 671 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,930 ago or election ago I guess. He was the front runner out of the 672 00:39:27,930 --> 00:39:30,780 blue and because he had all this internet stuff going on, he had 673 00:39:30,780 --> 00:39:34,530 the Joe Trippi doing his all his Internet and Internet stuff. 674 00:39:34,530 --> 00:39:39,600 Yeah. It guy was just kicking butt until he showed up on 675 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,540 television. And then he Chris, he killed himself with his with 676 00:39:42,540 --> 00:39:46,380 his screaming. But when he showed up on the on the Leno 677 00:39:46,380 --> 00:39:49,350 Show, and it was the first time anyone I think really saw him 678 00:39:49,380 --> 00:39:54,990 nationally, he comes out like a goofball. He has a tie. I swear 679 00:39:54,990 --> 00:39:58,800 to god that was down to his knees. You mean all that was 680 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:04,920 missing was this was A big red nose that lit up. So he sits 681 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,100 down and he's got this tie that's hanging down as Dan 682 00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:12,450 you're hitting the ground. And he's like acting like it like a 683 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:17,460 like a goof. And I said, this guy is done. And anyway, he just 684 00:40:17,460 --> 00:40:20,820 didn't have it. When I saw Romney I had a little bit of 685 00:40:20,820 --> 00:40:23,100 that impression. I didn't have all the way he was wearing like 686 00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:25,290 an expensive probably Armani suit and he looked a little 687 00:40:25,290 --> 00:40:25,860 slicker 688 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,150 or the guy that he made it red 689 00:40:28,260 --> 00:40:33,390 ankles, but he didn't have the Presidential kind of style. He 690 00:40:33,390 --> 00:40:38,610 was like goofy and trying to be funny, and he wasn't and I 691 00:40:38,610 --> 00:40:41,820 thought he was thought he sucked. I think 692 00:40:41,820 --> 00:40:45,750 he basically has has no chance. I mean, he I would say he even 693 00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:48,120 has less of a chance than than Ron Paul, by the way, there's 694 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:54,300 only five, five left, if you think about it in in the primary 695 00:40:54,300 --> 00:40:59,550 on the Republican side, Giuliani, Romney, Huckabee, 696 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,030 McCain and Paul. 697 00:41:03,540 --> 00:41:06,720 Yeah. And I might mention that McCain has been doing these 698 00:41:06,750 --> 00:41:11,070 shows the Letterman and Leno and then he does Jon Stewart, which 699 00:41:11,070 --> 00:41:15,390 is unusual. I think the two of them have become buddies, to the 700 00:41:15,390 --> 00:41:19,590 point where he's very slick on TV. He's not he doesn't get you 701 00:41:19,590 --> 00:41:22,020 know, he's he's got a good sense of humour. He's not as nearly as 702 00:41:22,020 --> 00:41:25,230 funny as Huckabee, but he's not. He's not humourless, and he's 703 00:41:25,230 --> 00:41:29,370 not goofy. He's, I mean, it's just obvious to me. Smart. go to 704 00:41:29,370 --> 00:41:32,820 Vegas right now. People put your money down. It's an easy win. 705 00:41:33,450 --> 00:41:36,990 Well, I still hold hope, not just for Ron Paul, but for 706 00:41:36,990 --> 00:41:41,430 America and the world at large. John. I really do. 707 00:41:42,540 --> 00:41:45,930 Yeah, the thing that i How could be, you know, how can we had 708 00:41:45,930 --> 00:41:49,050 this thing about dropping the income tax system and go into 709 00:41:49,050 --> 00:41:52,920 100% consumption tax, which I'd never liked, because that's like 710 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,130 a VAT VAT tax that they have in Europe, that's always are people 711 00:41:56,130 --> 00:41:58,860 and it's very, you know, hard on everybody. But he made this 712 00:41:58,860 --> 00:42:01,710 interesting point that I thought was valid. And of course, this 713 00:42:01,740 --> 00:42:06,060 means it'll never happen, which is that consumption tax rate 714 00:42:06,060 --> 00:42:08,940 another just shift the burden on who actually what you purchase 715 00:42:08,940 --> 00:42:12,270 you buy, encourages saving, which may or may not be a good 716 00:42:12,270 --> 00:42:16,800 thing, but it also taxes. Finally, the grey market, you 717 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,760 know, people who, who don't pay taxes, drug dealers who make you 718 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,640 know, there's billions of dollars in drug sales. And those 719 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,890 guys never pay taxes, but they would pay taxes when they you 720 00:42:25,890 --> 00:42:27,540 know, when they go out and buy Why 721 00:42:27,540 --> 00:42:30,000 do you say that it's a burden, and people don't like it. I 722 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,720 mean, I've lived in, in three countries with value added tax 723 00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:39,450 in the Netherlands in Belgium, which is actually 21%. VAT what 724 00:42:39,450 --> 00:42:40,950 he's proposing for here, by the way, 725 00:42:41,340 --> 00:42:44,730 and you know, I don't I, I'm kind of forward, I think it's a 726 00:42:44,730 --> 00:42:45,750 pretty good idea. 727 00:42:46,260 --> 00:42:49,050 But I couldn't be wrong, because I haven't done a survey. But all 728 00:42:49,050 --> 00:42:52,740 I remember is that when it first cropped up years ago, and I 729 00:42:52,740 --> 00:42:56,040 believe it was in the 70s, when it really started showing up all 730 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,370 over the place. All I heard was people complaining about it. 731 00:42:59,820 --> 00:43:03,630 No, I mean, my experience is with it is there's like three 732 00:43:03,630 --> 00:43:08,910 parts. One is if you it's listed separately, the VAT, so not like 733 00:43:08,910 --> 00:43:13,470 in the US where I'm sorry, it's it's in the price, but on an 734 00:43:13,470 --> 00:43:16,590 invoice, they'll list it separately. And if you're a 735 00:43:16,590 --> 00:43:21,180 business, you get to deduct the VAT. It's purely a consumer 736 00:43:21,210 --> 00:43:26,490 consumer tax. Of course, what that what that leads to is there 737 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,070 a huge black market, particularly in the services 738 00:43:29,070 --> 00:43:33,540 industry. So having cash money really saves you a lot of money, 739 00:43:33,690 --> 00:43:36,690 because you get guys to do some work on the house, or you have 740 00:43:36,690 --> 00:43:38,850 some males, and there's always this trade off. Like I'll tell 741 00:43:38,850 --> 00:43:44,490 you what, I'll give you an invoice and we'll do 100 100 742 00:43:44,490 --> 00:43:47,550 euros and then you give me 25 on the side. So you don't have to 743 00:43:47,580 --> 00:43:51,720 pay any VAT over that. So that you know, it does create a whole 744 00:43:51,720 --> 00:43:54,900 black market that that can kind of spiral out of control. 745 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,320 Well, you know, that black black market exists here without the 746 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,710 VAT because technically, if you're going to be hiring a lot 747 00:44:01,710 --> 00:44:05,400 of people to do work for you, you know, you have to fill out a 748 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,340 bunch of income tax forms form you got to do a lot of paperwork 749 00:44:08,340 --> 00:44:10,950 is a is a nightmare. And people would prefer just to pay the 750 00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:14,550 cash and under the table. So I don't see that that'd be a 751 00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:20,160 difference there. We had, if you remember over the like it was it 752 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,970 was like most scandalous over the summer, I guess during the 753 00:44:23,970 --> 00:44:26,100 Reagan administration, every time they tried to get a Supreme 754 00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:30,570 Court justice or somebody elected to some office was an 755 00:44:30,570 --> 00:44:33,000 appointment and they had to go through the Senate they'd always 756 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,150 uncover the fact that this person had an illegal employee. 757 00:44:37,260 --> 00:44:40,680 And without quitting, almost with no exceptions, there was 758 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,830 one after another and that my experience was because I had 759 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,610 employees that I had actually done the paperwork for and it 760 00:44:47,610 --> 00:44:51,630 was painful. It was ridiculous and then when you when you got 761 00:44:51,630 --> 00:44:54,180 rid of and you had no employees, they would still start sending 762 00:44:54,180 --> 00:44:58,650 you bills and at one point we got one for not for not filing 763 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,780 even though there's some guy hasn't worked for us for two 764 00:45:00,780 --> 00:45:04,020 years. But we didn't file that he wasn't, you know, we filed 765 00:45:04,020 --> 00:45:06,030 once or twice. It didn't work for us. But apparently he had to 766 00:45:06,030 --> 00:45:09,690 keep filing forever. Yeah. And so we got dinged for 1200 bucks. 767 00:45:09,690 --> 00:45:11,880 And I talked to the attorney about it. He said, Nah, just pay 768 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,710 it because you're never going to, you know, there's just a 769 00:45:13,710 --> 00:45:17,070 nightmare. Yeah. So anything under five I realised that's why 770 00:45:17,070 --> 00:45:19,320 people were doing this left and right, because it was too much 771 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,120 work too much hassle honest way 772 00:45:21,150 --> 00:45:25,140 now. And in general, anything under five grand it's worth, 773 00:45:25,170 --> 00:45:29,430 it's easier and in the law and cheaper to just pay it instead 774 00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:32,130 of getting attorneys involved, because attorneys always start 775 00:45:32,130 --> 00:45:35,580 something up. It's always five grand always. Yeah, that's Yeah, 776 00:45:35,580 --> 00:45:39,930 that's true. So you'll like this. And I know I'm harping on 777 00:45:39,930 --> 00:45:43,290 it. But Ron Paul sent out his Four Point Plan for 778 00:45:43,290 --> 00:45:47,280 comprehensive economic revitalization. And there were 779 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:52,200 two things I thought were interesting. One is, instead of 780 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,590 saying getting rid of the Federal Reserve, which was kind 781 00:45:55,590 --> 00:45:58,860 of what he was saying, throughout the entire campaign, 782 00:45:59,130 --> 00:46:00,570 until he got the phone call, 783 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:07,800 yeah. Until he got the tax bill. Now he's saying expand openness 784 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,250 at the Federal Reserve, and require the Fed to televise its 785 00:46:11,250 --> 00:46:14,220 meetings. I thought that was pretty interesting. That's cool. 786 00:46:14,250 --> 00:46:16,740 Yeah. And then regulatory reform. And of course, I know, 787 00:46:16,740 --> 00:46:20,070 you're gonna like this repeal, Sarbanes Oxley regulations that 788 00:46:20,070 --> 00:46:23,880 push companies to seek capital outside of US markets stop 789 00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,880 restricting community banks from fostering local economic growth, 790 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,450 as well. But the Sarbanes Oxley, I thought, you know, that's the 791 00:46:30,450 --> 00:46:34,110 only candidate that has actually written that as a part of his 792 00:46:34,110 --> 00:46:34,620 plan. Yeah, 793 00:46:34,620 --> 00:46:37,080 um, yeah, you know, if you go if anybody out there wants to go 794 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,240 read my column, it's in MarketWatch. It was written 795 00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:42,570 about six months ago, or a year ago, maybe I don't know, call 796 00:46:42,570 --> 00:46:45,750 and the name of it is called repeal Sarbanes Oxley. And it 797 00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:48,030 talks about some of these issues. And we're Sarbanes Oxley 798 00:46:48,030 --> 00:46:51,960 is ruining the high tech scene, which is what we're involved in. 799 00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:55,020 Well, it's ruining it's ruining America as a financial centre of 800 00:46:55,020 --> 00:46:57,930 the universe. It's now become London because of because of 801 00:46:57,930 --> 00:46:59,310 this, these rules. 802 00:46:59,700 --> 00:47:02,940 Right? And then the joke of it, is it What the What what's the 803 00:47:02,940 --> 00:47:06,150 point of the rules, when they end the Bush administration is 804 00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:08,790 to blame, by the way? What was the point of the rules the rules 805 00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:11,460 was, so you don't have that set? So you don't have a situation 806 00:47:11,610 --> 00:47:16,500 like Enron and MCI and whatever. And the fact of the matter is, 807 00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:20,070 the old rules worked fine. The Enron guys were a bust, crooks 808 00:47:20,070 --> 00:47:23,580 that were fucking crook, one guy's dead. I mean, what's wrong 809 00:47:23,580 --> 00:47:24,810 with the old system? 810 00:47:25,860 --> 00:47:31,050 Yeah, I really don't know. It was, I think it was part because 811 00:47:31,140 --> 00:47:36,660 there was such a public outcry. And it did hurt a lot of people. 812 00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:40,020 What happened with Enron, and you know, just to say, well, the 813 00:47:40,020 --> 00:47:42,600 old system is good. And we caught him. And you know, that, 814 00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:45,840 you know, California got raked over energy, they had to do 815 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:50,100 something, but I think it was just too much of a knee jerk of 816 00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:54,210 a knee jerk reaction. And what does it cost is like 8% of a 817 00:47:54,210 --> 00:47:57,930 company's four 4% That's still a lot of money. 818 00:47:58,050 --> 00:48:01,260 And the bottom line is last two, Sarbanes Oxley hoarding, 819 00:48:01,590 --> 00:48:06,000 and CEOs really don't want to be CEOs anymore, because they're 820 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,810 personally liable. And it's, it's it's tough. I do 821 00:48:09,810 --> 00:48:11,640 understand, you know, particularly people who 822 00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:16,290 basically hate corporations. They'll hate me for saying, you 823 00:48:16,290 --> 00:48:21,510 know, for, for saying this, but I agree. It should, it should, 824 00:48:21,540 --> 00:48:24,570 it should get out. It should be removed. It's lame, it's hurting 825 00:48:24,570 --> 00:48:25,890 our overall economy. 826 00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:30,930 And one of those two guys, Sarbanes Oxley, I can't remember 827 00:48:30,930 --> 00:48:33,780 which one, it was so deeply involved with some of the most 828 00:48:33,780 --> 00:48:35,070 corrupt of the 829 00:48:35,130 --> 00:48:38,040 it's actually guys names Sarbanes and Oxley. You're 830 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:38,820 kidding me? Yeah. 831 00:48:39,150 --> 00:48:40,680 Yeah, they, well, who 832 00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,640 are these guys that they named? They named after themselves? 833 00:48:44,850 --> 00:48:45,210 They were 834 00:48:45,210 --> 00:48:47,640 in Congress. That's why you do a lot of these bills. Well, they, 835 00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,070 you know, these, a lot of these bills get named after you know, 836 00:48:50,070 --> 00:48:54,600 it's like the what was that was the McCain Feingold? Bill. I 837 00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,970 mean, there's a lot of these bills get named after the two 838 00:48:57,270 --> 00:49:01,290 people that put them together. There's, you know, it's not 839 00:49:01,290 --> 00:49:06,150 unusual. Yeah, but that just happens. I know. But what else 840 00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:11,790 would it mean, Sarbanes Oxley? I don't know. towns in the near 841 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:12,810 Oxford. 842 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,490 I thought it was like kinda like the Luxembourg treaty. I'm like 843 00:49:17,490 --> 00:49:20,640 Sarbanes Oxley. It's probably some place you know, in Romania 844 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,710 or whatever, where they put this together. I don't know. 845 00:49:23,730 --> 00:49:25,020 In Northern Iowa, 846 00:49:25,380 --> 00:49:33,510 Sarbanes Oxley, Iowa. Beautiful. Okay, you got anything else, 847 00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:33,930 John? 848 00:49:34,229 --> 00:49:36,209 No, I'm done. Yeah, 849 00:49:36,269 --> 00:49:39,869 I did. I did want to say, I really enjoyed doing this. I 850 00:49:39,869 --> 00:49:44,009 really like just yakking with you and for for people who are 851 00:49:44,009 --> 00:49:46,889 listening, this is exactly the same conversation we have on the 852 00:49:46,889 --> 00:49:50,639 phone, we probably could on a weekly basis. We could do five 853 00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:54,599 hours. We're between four and five hours of this type of show 854 00:49:54,599 --> 00:49:57,209 because we have conversations like this all the time and I 855 00:49:57,209 --> 00:49:58,049 really enjoy it. 856 00:49:58,890 --> 00:50:01,260 Ya know, it's a lot of fun. I know that but you can get you 857 00:50:01,260 --> 00:50:05,880 get to, to kind of what I like about is having a good. It's 858 00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:08,430 even though you're technically an American, you're really a 859 00:50:08,430 --> 00:50:12,810 European with American sensibility. And us and you see 860 00:50:12,810 --> 00:50:15,540 things from a perspective, and I think people appreciate this. 861 00:50:15,900 --> 00:50:21,360 That's not that. I wouldn't say it was abnormal, but it's off 862 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:27,570 off colour. It's Well, besides the, but the it's but it's it's 863 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,230 unusual. Let's put it that way. It's it's slightly skewed. And I 864 00:50:31,230 --> 00:50:31,620 think, 865 00:50:32,430 --> 00:50:36,840 well, and that's good. That's because I think most Americans 866 00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:42,090 don't get the types of input and information flowing to them that 867 00:50:42,090 --> 00:50:45,690 you get in a different country. In fact, I was listening to the 868 00:50:45,690 --> 00:50:49,710 podcast version of inbusiness Peter de works with the BBC. 869 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,430 I love the fact that curiously, I was just listening to the one 870 00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:55,710 he did on nearly Smith cruises you 871 00:50:55,950 --> 00:50:59,220 Yeah, with, with nearly Smith Cruise, who is a Dutch woman, 872 00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,450 who by the way, wasn't her husband, and vicariously 873 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,330 herself. Were involved involved in a huge scandal before she 874 00:51:06,330 --> 00:51:10,650 became the commissioner of, of competition or whatever it's 875 00:51:10,650 --> 00:51:14,040 called, like a huge scandal because he was the mayor of 876 00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,530 Rotterdam. And there was all kinds of money. That was it was 877 00:51:16,530 --> 00:51:19,560 a big, big problem. And she spent a couple of years 878 00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,260 basically repairing her reputation. I think they moved 879 00:51:22,260 --> 00:51:25,560 to New York. But I've always had a lot of respect for her, but 880 00:51:25,620 --> 00:51:29,610 just listening to that. It's called in business, Peter, Dave, 881 00:51:29,610 --> 00:51:35,640 the BBC. There's a lot going on. And the premise of this was that 882 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:43,650 the, you know, the anti competitiveness and anti What do 883 00:51:43,650 --> 00:51:47,250 you call it a cartel busting, etc. That kind of used to be 884 00:51:47,250 --> 00:51:50,070 America's job. And that is now without a doubt, if you look at 885 00:51:50,070 --> 00:51:54,210 what's happened with Microsoft, but in this in this show that 886 00:51:54,210 --> 00:51:57,450 we've been talking about the paraffin wax industry, you know, 887 00:51:57,450 --> 00:52:00,510 now the EU is busting up these, these cartels, and there's 888 00:52:00,510 --> 00:52:04,410 hundreds of them, you have no idea, if really, you know, they 889 00:52:04,410 --> 00:52:07,830 went down a list and like crap, yeah, candles are fucking 890 00:52:07,830 --> 00:52:12,420 expensive. Oh, it's true. Candles are outrageously 891 00:52:12,420 --> 00:52:17,520 expensive. And it's, and it's, I guess, through price fixing? 892 00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:20,820 Well, you know, I listened to that it was one of our readers 893 00:52:20,820 --> 00:52:23,430 that sent us a link to that particular show, because we had 894 00:52:23,460 --> 00:52:27,270 complained, or at least one of my readers or one of our 895 00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:27,990 listeners, I'm not sure 896 00:52:28,020 --> 00:52:30,270 I can't remember. I'm a subscriber, because I've met 897 00:52:30,270 --> 00:52:31,470 Peter and I love them. Anyway, 898 00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:34,020 I got to somebody sent me the link, because I had been moaning 899 00:52:34,020 --> 00:52:36,840 about it gets me was on tech five, I was moaning about how, 900 00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:39,210 why does the Europeans telling you why why are they telling you 901 00:52:39,210 --> 00:52:42,960 about it? Because what to do, right? And the, and the point 902 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,940 that she makes in this, by the way people should go listen to 903 00:52:44,940 --> 00:52:48,120 this, because it's quite good. It's very, very educational. In 904 00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,640 fact, I'm going to probably write my next MarketWatch column 905 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,930 on this particular issue. But anyway, the she says that the 906 00:52:54,930 --> 00:52:59,310 Americans from the European perspective, led the way with 907 00:52:59,310 --> 00:53:03,810 antitrust regulations over the decades, and have only recently 908 00:53:03,810 --> 00:53:06,390 just dropped the ball completely, and they don't 909 00:53:06,450 --> 00:53:09,450 appear they don't even care anymore. And so that's why 910 00:53:09,450 --> 00:53:12,360 they're doing this. You know, it's an interesting argument. I 911 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:16,110 think there's some truth to it. But I still find it annoying 912 00:53:16,140 --> 00:53:19,890 that American companies are being told what they can do in 913 00:53:19,890 --> 00:53:24,060 their own country in terms of buyouts and the like, 914 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:28,170 well, that's not I don't think it works exactly that way, what 915 00:53:28,170 --> 00:53:32,100 I believe is happening if you look at so the two big ones are 916 00:53:32,340 --> 00:53:36,780 Google and double click, and then there's Microsoft, you 917 00:53:36,780 --> 00:53:39,060 know, issues, of course, with you know, it's still all about 918 00:53:39,060 --> 00:53:43,680 the time we explore into Windows, etc. But all of these 919 00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:48,960 companies have, you know, some companies in all these different 920 00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:54,420 countries, so it's about those subsidiaries, I guess. That's, 921 00:53:54,450 --> 00:53:56,850 that's what I think they're attacking. But when it comes to 922 00:53:56,850 --> 00:54:04,320 a merger, you know, obviously, a blocking of a merger of the 923 00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:08,130 foreign entities is going to affect the US the US entity, I 924 00:54:08,130 --> 00:54:11,250 don't believe they actually have any legislative power. 925 00:54:13,050 --> 00:54:14,910 I don't know what you know, that would that's a question that's 926 00:54:14,940 --> 00:54:18,450 kind of unanswered, if Google and double click, which are both 927 00:54:18,450 --> 00:54:20,220 American companies, they have what 928 00:54:20,220 --> 00:54:23,550 they have, but they have local companies, you know, it's not 929 00:54:23,550 --> 00:54:26,670 like just an office that says Google Inc. It says, Google BV 930 00:54:26,670 --> 00:54:30,510 Google Ltd, you know, Google envy, you know, it's 931 00:54:30,570 --> 00:54:33,480 what are they going to do about it? I mean, the question in my 932 00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,450 mind is, what are they going to do about it kick the Google envy 933 00:54:36,450 --> 00:54:40,860 out of the Netherlands or kick Google LLC out of wherever? 934 00:54:41,100 --> 00:54:43,440 Yeah. I mean, what are you going to do about it? If they, if the 935 00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,990 companies say and I have nobody's done this, no one's had 936 00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:48,630 the nerve to do this. What if the Europeans said no, you can't 937 00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:51,150 do that merger because it's anti competitive, which it may or may 938 00:54:51,150 --> 00:54:54,120 not be I'm not sure that it is. But let's say it is, but I don't 939 00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,010 think I don't think that's the issue with those two. I think 940 00:54:56,010 --> 00:54:56,520 it's it's 941 00:54:57,810 --> 00:55:00,900 one of the two companies Google and double They say, Well screw 942 00:55:00,900 --> 00:55:02,970 you. We're doing it anyway. What are you going to do about it? 943 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,110 What are they going to do about it? 944 00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,730 You know, I've never met her, but you don't want to fuck with 945 00:55:08,730 --> 00:55:12,390 Nate Lee Smith Cruz, dude, you do not want to mess with that 946 00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:14,670 woman. She is a hard nose. 947 00:55:15,300 --> 00:55:17,490 She seemed like a nice person. No, no, she's, 948 00:55:17,970 --> 00:55:21,900 I'm sure she's a lovely woman. But when it comes to business, 949 00:55:22,260 --> 00:55:24,930 man, and part of that, of course, is the way the Dutch 950 00:55:24,930 --> 00:55:28,770 sometimes speak English. Which I was kind of surprised how poor 951 00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:29,850 her English was. 952 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,440 Yeah, well, it was. It was good in terms of its in terms of the 953 00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,040 knowledge of the words, but she was a very she was the worst 954 00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:42,060 case example of you know, men Americans don't understand this. 955 00:55:42,060 --> 00:55:45,840 Generally, we've talked about it before on the show. That there's 956 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,660 the intonation isn't there. And so you don't you can miss read 957 00:55:48,660 --> 00:55:52,320 somebody because they don't have a clue about how to intone the 958 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,260 way Americans do too, for emphasis or for whatever. 959 00:55:55,620 --> 00:56:01,320 And also, instead of saying, so to speak. She kept saying so to 960 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:06,390 say. And it really bugged me to say, so to say, like, so to 961 00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:08,280 speak, namely, so to speak. 962 00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:12,780 But we'll talk about that more in the future? 963 00:56:13,020 --> 00:56:14,670 Well, we definitely should, I'm gonna do a little bit of 964 00:56:14,670 --> 00:56:19,080 research on, on how that works with how they would actually 965 00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,630 block some I don't even know if it's the anti competitive when 966 00:56:21,630 --> 00:56:23,400 it comes to Google and doubleclick. I thought that was 967 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,670 privacy issues. I'm not quite sure if Nayla is in charge of 968 00:56:26,670 --> 00:56:28,590 blocking that when they certainly didn't talk about it 969 00:56:28,590 --> 00:56:30,450 on the show, or at least I didn't have it in the show if 970 00:56:30,450 --> 00:56:32,880 they did talk about it. So that means you mentioned it. 971 00:56:32,910 --> 00:56:33,990 Somebody mentioned it. 972 00:56:34,439 --> 00:56:37,709 Yeah, I think Peter de mentioned it just in like his edit it in 973 00:56:38,309 --> 00:56:42,299 commentary or whatever. I don't think she talked about it. That 974 00:56:42,299 --> 00:56:47,609 guy's great that Peter I've ever met him. No, he, we just moved 975 00:56:47,609 --> 00:56:52,259 to the UK. And the word podcasting had had was like, 976 00:56:52,259 --> 00:56:56,069 word of the year or whatever. He came out to the house and 977 00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:59,159 interviewed me and it was really it was really interesting. He is 978 00:56:59,189 --> 00:57:03,659 the quintessential kind of like, you know, Grey Raincoat wearing 979 00:57:03,659 --> 00:57:07,649 dishevelled. Nagara carrying 980 00:57:08,010 --> 00:57:10,050 Nagraj. Yeah, 981 00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:16,260 you know, remember the old reel to reel daggers. Now, and, you 982 00:57:16,260 --> 00:57:20,520 know, but he did have a, he had a mini disc recorder lo and 983 00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:26,070 behold, you know, they had a big old grey BBC microphone. And he 984 00:57:26,070 --> 00:57:28,530 just came over to the house. And, you know, he sat in my, my 985 00:57:28,530 --> 00:57:32,310 office for a couple hours. And just, you know, we just talked a 986 00:57:32,310 --> 00:57:35,490 bit and, man, that guy has interviewed everybody. He's been 987 00:57:35,490 --> 00:57:39,540 around the world. He's seen and been everywhere. Just I tried to 988 00:57:39,540 --> 00:57:43,140 hire him, actually, because we kept in touch a little bit after 989 00:57:43,140 --> 00:57:49,380 that. And there was they were going to offer early pensions at 990 00:57:49,380 --> 00:57:51,450 the time, just a couple of years or something like that at the 991 00:57:51,450 --> 00:57:53,550 BBC, and that they were going to get rid of people or they were 992 00:57:53,550 --> 00:57:58,140 going to shorten the retirement age. That's what it was. And he 993 00:57:58,140 --> 00:58:00,570 said, Well, you know, I've got some choices to make. And I 994 00:58:00,570 --> 00:58:03,660 said, dude, whatever the BBC is paying you, I'll pay you double 995 00:58:03,660 --> 00:58:06,390 to come and work for us. And he considered it for a little 996 00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:12,900 while. But obviously, he he didn't choose. He's still the 997 00:58:12,900 --> 00:58:16,200 BBC still at Auntie. Yes at the BBC. 998 00:58:19,020 --> 00:58:23,490 Okay, all right. So, but the one thing to look into before you 999 00:58:23,490 --> 00:58:26,550 for the show in the future, when we bring this topic up again, is 1000 00:58:26,730 --> 00:58:29,850 what are they going to do about it? If an American couple 1001 00:58:29,850 --> 00:58:31,650 American companies tell him to stuff it? 1002 00:58:32,580 --> 00:58:43,860 It's a very good question. And I guess, I guess I'm out of steam. 1003 00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:49,620 Remember now where we started a trend. There is a a show called 1004 00:58:49,620 --> 00:58:53,340 yo agenda. And they're still keeping strong. 1005 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,890 And his whole agenda. Hola Gent. 1006 00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:01,170 I'm waiting for Bo agenda, Mo agenda. There's gotta be a lot 1007 00:59:01,170 --> 00:59:02,580 more coming out. I think he started 1008 00:59:02,610 --> 00:59:06,540 to trend mo agenda sounds like a good name, Mo agenda. I'll have 1009 00:59:06,540 --> 00:59:06,660 to 1010 00:59:06,660 --> 00:59:10,950 register that one. But as we started off by talking about 1011 00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:14,850 this, a lot of people are saying this is what I always thought 1012 00:59:14,850 --> 00:59:19,230 podcasting was going to be and we've struck a chord, man, I'm 1013 00:59:19,230 --> 00:59:21,390 not quite sure what it is. I don't know if it's just the 1014 00:59:21,390 --> 00:59:24,600 eavesdropping. Or if it's actually that we're interesting, 1015 00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:29,070 slash entertaining. Hopefully, it's a combination. But yeah, 1016 00:59:29,100 --> 00:59:31,890 people are into it. And they can and they continuously say they 1017 00:59:31,890 --> 00:59:35,760 really liked the format. It's of just like, just talking. 1018 00:59:36,420 --> 00:59:39,060 Yeah, well, it's it's a talk show. Essentially, this is not 1019 00:59:39,060 --> 00:59:41,910 much different than what you hear on talk radio, when you 1020 00:59:41,910 --> 00:59:46,410 have two people that you know, aren't taking calls. Although we 1021 00:59:46,410 --> 00:59:48,840 take calls in some funny way, even though we never play him, 1022 00:59:49,530 --> 00:59:51,510 because I can't figure out how to make it all work. 1023 00:59:52,650 --> 00:59:56,940 You know, we don't need to, I don't know. I like the email. 1024 00:59:56,970 --> 00:59:59,160 We're gonna need these calls. Because I know one of these days 1025 00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,200 we're going to both of us Because of the cycles of the 1026 01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,900 moon, we're gonna hit one of these shows, although the great 1027 01:00:03,900 --> 01:00:07,830 thing about podcasting in this regard is that we don't have, we 1028 01:00:07,830 --> 01:00:10,800 don't we can do a half hour short 15 minutes an hour, two 1029 01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,460 hours, you know, we can you know, there's no agenda in terms 1030 01:00:14,460 --> 01:00:17,970 of the length. And so you know, if you run out of steam, we 1031 01:00:17,970 --> 01:00:23,130 could just do 15 minutes and call it a day. No, go ahead. No, 1032 01:00:23,130 --> 01:00:25,470 I'm just saying that we were if we wanted to, we could pat it 1033 01:00:25,470 --> 01:00:26,490 with these phone calls. 1034 01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,690 And then people can always I wonder how many people listen to 1035 01:00:30,690 --> 01:00:34,680 us on their iPod in double speed? Because you can still 1036 01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,650 kind of follow along. Now they have audio books, you can kind 1037 01:00:37,650 --> 01:00:41,550 of listen along it just goes faster. Yeah, I bet you 1038 01:00:41,550 --> 01:00:46,890 someone's out there is doing it might be better. So I can't play 1039 01:00:46,890 --> 01:00:51,690 the feedback for you but a whole bunch of people left. Left 1040 01:00:51,690 --> 01:00:55,140 messages about the quote you had a quote like 1041 01:00:55,590 --> 01:00:59,460 that well, right that Galactica quote. Yeah, yeah. The quote. I 1042 01:00:59,460 --> 01:01:01,470 still have it in this pad here somewhere. 1043 01:01:01,590 --> 01:01:04,920 But they didn't say it was from this a Battlestar collector. Was 1044 01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:05,520 that was that where it 1045 01:01:05,820 --> 01:01:09,630 came from? Battlestar Galactica? Yeah, I got to two notes myself. 1046 01:01:09,630 --> 01:01:12,930 It was the quote of I'll never have a network computer. Ship. 1047 01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:17,460 That's it, something like that. And I don't know why I'd write 1048 01:01:17,460 --> 01:01:19,560 that down. If it was some Battlestar Galactica, because I 1049 01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:22,680 don't watch Battlestar Galactica. I saw it when they 1050 01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,560 came up with the second version of it. Actually, I should do 1051 01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:29,460 this. If you remind me, I'll do this. I wrote when they came up 1052 01:01:29,460 --> 01:01:32,970 with the second iteration of the show, the new one with the you 1053 01:01:32,970 --> 01:01:37,650 know, the blonde girl who keeps appearing magically, they did a 1054 01:01:37,770 --> 01:01:40,590 kind of a movie or kind of a movie for TV or whatever. And I 1055 01:01:40,590 --> 01:01:43,320 watched this because everyone wanted to check out the new that 1056 01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:45,540 Battlestar Galactica and a lot of people really liked the show. 1057 01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:52,500 I watched it and wrote a scathing review. Crap. And I 1058 01:01:52,500 --> 01:01:55,650 sent it actually, I was so worked about I sent it into a PC 1059 01:01:55,650 --> 01:01:59,100 Magazine, you know, and like, I think it was Landstuhl and offer 1060 01:01:59,100 --> 01:02:01,740 one of these editors is waiting. He says, you know, this is a 1061 01:02:01,740 --> 01:02:03,960 funny review. But you know, this has got nothing to do with 1062 01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,300 anything, you know, good find something else to write about? 1063 01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,780 Oh, yeah, no, that didn't print it. And so it's one of those 1064 01:02:09,780 --> 01:02:12,480 things that I just crank something else out. And I put it 1065 01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:16,140 aside meaning to like, you know, because I can repurpose most of 1066 01:02:16,140 --> 01:02:19,260 my material that gets rejected. Yeah. Which is not that much, by 1067 01:02:19,260 --> 01:02:22,020 the way. But occasionally it does. And I'll just send it 1068 01:02:22,020 --> 01:02:26,130 someplace else. And I put it aside and never got back to it. 1069 01:02:26,130 --> 01:02:30,600 So now it's kind of old. But I may just reprise it in my on the 1070 01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:34,710 blog, on the blog. Yeah, absolutely. There's a bunch of 1071 01:02:34,710 --> 01:02:39,150 stuff that that's sitting in the corner that needs to be put up 1072 01:02:39,150 --> 01:02:42,000 before it gets so old. That is, you know, ridiculous. 1073 01:02:42,030 --> 01:02:45,780 Next to the notes you can't read and the D and the CDs that are 1074 01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:49,050 are blank. don't work anymore. 1075 01:02:51,420 --> 01:02:53,670 Anyway, okay. I'm done. All right. 1076 01:02:53,700 --> 01:02:58,380 Sorry. I didn't have a better punch line. I tried. I would say 1077 01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:03,270 that that concludes this episode of no agenda. We'll be back 1078 01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:07,770 probably in about a week's time. From an undisclosed location in 1079 01:03:07,770 --> 01:03:09,570 a fine hotel room. I'm Adam curry. 1080 01:03:10,140 --> 01:03:12,300 And I'm John C. Dvorak in Northern California. And we'll 1081 01:03:12,300 --> 01:03:13,590 talk to you again next time on 1082 01:03:13,590 --> 01:03:14,340 no agenda.