1 00:00:01,709 --> 00:00:05,039 Welcome, everybody to a brand new programme on the pod Show 2 00:00:05,039 --> 00:00:09,059 Network, which could be titled A number of things. We chose no 3 00:00:09,059 --> 00:00:15,899 agenda. But it could be the show with no imaging. No, no. No 4 00:00:15,899 --> 00:00:20,309 content yet. The only thing it is two guys with an idea of 5 00:00:20,339 --> 00:00:26,039 putting together a, what we call a John A agenda list show agenda 6 00:00:26,039 --> 00:00:31,289 show. Exactly. John C. Dvorak in California, Adam curry here in 7 00:00:31,289 --> 00:00:35,009 London, something we cooked up. Was it in like a four minute 8 00:00:35,009 --> 00:00:38,339 phone call? Hey, we should do a show together. Okay. Let's call 9 00:00:38,339 --> 00:00:40,229 it no agenda. Okay. And here we are. 10 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,950 Well, of course, the basis for a show like this. And I think 11 00:00:43,950 --> 00:00:46,830 everybody out there who who's ever had a car or who has kinds 12 00:00:46,830 --> 00:00:50,580 of conversations with friends, they occasionally especially 13 00:00:50,580 --> 00:00:52,980 when the conversations go on and on stage, you know, that would 14 00:00:52,980 --> 00:00:56,010 have been an interesting thing for other people to listen to. 15 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:00,300 True. True. And, and I think basically, and I've actually 16 00:01:00,300 --> 00:01:03,060 thought about doing a show with my wife, because sometimes she 17 00:01:03,060 --> 00:01:05,850 does a news analysis over the phone. Sometimes it's pretty, 18 00:01:06,210 --> 00:01:07,320 pretty astonishing. But 19 00:01:07,320 --> 00:01:10,380 have you ever had the shows I do with Patricia with my wife? 20 00:01:10,890 --> 00:01:13,020 Yeah, same kind of thing. It's great. Right. And we like to 21 00:01:13,020 --> 00:01:16,110 have a conversation. Yeah. Right. And I think, you know, to 22 00:01:16,110 --> 00:01:19,140 some extent, Don, and drew and so almost everybody who, you 23 00:01:19,140 --> 00:01:24,060 know, like to chat pretty much provides this kind of 24 00:01:24,330 --> 00:01:28,920 entertainment. So this week, we're having we were starting up 25 00:01:28,950 --> 00:01:32,850 we do we're running on Skype for anybody out there. So and Adam 26 00:01:32,850 --> 00:01:35,310 being in London is going to probably get it we're going to 27 00:01:35,310 --> 00:01:39,030 step on each other once in a while. But this week, Adam did a 28 00:01:39,030 --> 00:01:43,800 thing. An interview with the senator or there's a guest he's 29 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,350 a congressman. Yeah. Where's he from? 30 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:47,340 Texas. 31 00:01:47,970 --> 00:01:50,160 The Texas Congressman Ron Paul, 32 00:01:50,190 --> 00:01:53,340 Republican Texas, Congressman Ron Paul. Yeah. 33 00:01:54,540 --> 00:01:55,830 Yeah, so what did you think? 34 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:02,070 Well first of all, it was kind of interesting that I got this 35 00:02:02,070 --> 00:02:04,050 thing together and like a week and I didn't really have to do 36 00:02:04,050 --> 00:02:06,330 anything I just said on the show, I want to talk to this guy 37 00:02:06,330 --> 00:02:10,620 and that happened that would that to me was a big, big Oh, 38 00:02:10,620 --> 00:02:12,840 wow. And I don't know what it means says about him his 39 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,500 campaign or where my show or podcasting or whatever, 40 00:02:16,500 --> 00:02:19,500 alternative media general, but I thought that that was cool, just 41 00:02:19,500 --> 00:02:25,950 as it is. But talk on Skype. No, he was on a on a landline. I did 42 00:02:25,950 --> 00:02:29,100 it on Skype, though. Okay. Did you not like the quality? 43 00:02:29,700 --> 00:02:33,900 No, I was I was I was thinking he was on Skype, and I'm going 44 00:02:33,990 --> 00:02:38,040 to myself or thinking to myself, hmm, that's pretty weird. If a 45 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,670 guy's on Skype, and he's, you know, I don't see Congressman as 46 00:02:41,670 --> 00:02:44,340 being that savvy about anything. 47 00:02:44,580 --> 00:02:47,760 Yeah. And I asked him a couple questions, you know about net 48 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,400 neutrality and some other internet related things. And 49 00:02:50,490 --> 00:02:53,130 it's kind of hard to gauge how savvy he is. First of all, he's 50 00:02:53,130 --> 00:02:58,560 a very smart guy in general. I mean, and very very he's a good 51 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:04,590 communicator knows how to how to be an interviewee I loved it 52 00:03:04,590 --> 00:03:08,280 when he when he, you know, you could hear his, his aide, it was 53 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:12,030 probably Jesse, you know, whispering something in his ear, 54 00:03:12,030 --> 00:03:13,710 which actually wasn't a whisper, because I heard it quite 55 00:03:13,710 --> 00:03:17,190 clearly. And then, you know, and Paul goes, Ron Paul goes, let me 56 00:03:17,190 --> 00:03:19,590 just suggest something else to you. I have a couple more 57 00:03:19,590 --> 00:03:23,220 minutes. Like Oh, fuck. All right. Let me get this folder 58 00:03:23,220 --> 00:03:24,540 scrunched in there real quick. 59 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,670 Well, that's a shame that people have to do that all the time 60 00:03:29,670 --> 00:03:33,810 now. So anyway, I made notes on the I listened to the the 61 00:03:33,810 --> 00:03:36,990 interview, and I made a bunch of notes. Okay, and I want to go 62 00:03:36,990 --> 00:03:42,000 over a few of them with you. Cool. One is your your you 63 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:46,260 insisted on calling him Dr. Ron has though he's like a disc 64 00:03:46,260 --> 00:03:50,850 jockey. That was highly funny. 65 00:03:50,970 --> 00:03:54,060 Well, I'm glad you liked that. Because I like giving people 66 00:03:54,060 --> 00:03:56,820 names. You know, because we've got comic strip blogger. We've 67 00:03:56,820 --> 00:04:00,960 got prolific programmer, and Dr. Ron, in fact, all medical 68 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,650 doctors who I who I meet I called Dr. Ron or Dr. At least 69 00:04:04,650 --> 00:04:08,640 if they're not if they're Pete, I call him Dr. Pete, but I'm 70 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,290 glad you liked that he didn't seem to mind. 71 00:04:11,190 --> 00:04:13,920 Well, you know, he told you to call him Ron, but you said I'm 72 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:18,690 gonna call your doctor on. And he said, whatever. 73 00:04:20,069 --> 00:04:22,589 But doesn't that sound much better? You know, Dr. Ron, it 74 00:04:22,589 --> 00:04:26,339 has, it's a German thing, actually. If you are a 75 00:04:26,339 --> 00:04:28,349 professor, or you're a doctor, and 76 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,470 that and so why want to dip since people are going to if 77 00:04:31,470 --> 00:04:33,000 they're going to start listening to this show, they might as well 78 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,330 realise a couple of things here. One of them is that that I'm an 79 00:04:36,330 --> 00:04:40,890 American and Adam is technically an American, but he is a 80 00:04:40,890 --> 00:04:43,800 European and so one of the reasons we want to do this show 81 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,190 is so we can kind of bring some cultural togetherness 82 00:04:48,269 --> 00:04:53,009 I'm a world citizen, John, not just a European you're what a 83 00:04:53,009 --> 00:04:54,209 world citizen 84 00:04:54,420 --> 00:04:56,790 Yeah, world says that's what that's what yards like you'd 85 00:04:56,790 --> 00:05:02,370 like to call yourself. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Gotta go to China NS 86 00:05:02,370 --> 00:05:07,380 and use that. See how funny okay. So when they when they 87 00:05:07,380 --> 00:05:11,160 arrest you that is so anyway, so I was I got the biggest kick out 88 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,770 of this doctor on you and you ran it through the whole show 89 00:05:13,770 --> 00:05:16,200 you always you know when you brought his name is always 90 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:17,280 doctor right. Well, yeah, but 91 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,939 but that's logical because I need you know, because if and I 92 00:05:20,939 --> 00:05:23,339 watched a lot of interviews and a lot of things he's done and 93 00:05:23,489 --> 00:05:26,219 and people are always addressing you know, everyone has a way to 94 00:05:26,219 --> 00:05:30,929 address someone in the media landscape. Right. And so with 95 00:05:30,929 --> 00:05:34,709 him it's like Dr. Ron Paul, Congressman Paul, you know, the 96 00:05:34,709 --> 00:05:38,009 whole Ron Paul, like two first names is kind of weird to start 97 00:05:38,009 --> 00:05:40,859 with. So I just felt it'd be easier if I just call them Dr. 98 00:05:40,859 --> 00:05:42,989 Ron, because then I knew I wouldn't, you know, be stumbling 99 00:05:42,989 --> 00:05:46,109 over. Congressman Ron Paul, you know, 100 00:05:46,230 --> 00:05:50,220 right, right, right. Yeah, the two first names thing, it's like 101 00:05:50,220 --> 00:05:53,790 a Hollywood name from the 30s. So anyway, then the other thing 102 00:05:53,790 --> 00:05:59,100 I wrote down on this little notepad of mine was people 103 00:05:59,100 --> 00:06:02,010 should go back there and listen to this interview. Again, 104 00:06:02,010 --> 00:06:06,900 because, Adam, I think he spends about four and a half hours 105 00:06:07,050 --> 00:06:10,080 kissing the guy's ass and chatting before he even lets 106 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:11,940 Paul speak one word. 107 00:06:12,389 --> 00:06:17,219 Yeah, you know, people mentioned that to me. And, and they did. 108 00:06:17,249 --> 00:06:20,189 But you know, it's like, here's what I didn't do. I didn't 109 00:06:20,189 --> 00:06:23,159 interrupt the guy continuously. All I wanted was to just hear 110 00:06:23,159 --> 00:06:26,369 what he had to say we had agreed that, you know, I would just, 111 00:06:26,609 --> 00:06:29,279 and that's what I wanted, you know, it's like, okay, I want to 112 00:06:29,579 --> 00:06:32,279 throw something that you talk about it until you stop talking. 113 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,919 So I figured I'd get all my talking up front. I was very 114 00:06:34,919 --> 00:06:39,269 sincere, by the way about about what I said at the beginning. So 115 00:06:39,389 --> 00:06:44,789 and yeah, I meant that. And also, this guy. And it was very 116 00:06:44,789 --> 00:06:47,069 clear at the end, he doesn't know what my show was about. It 117 00:06:47,069 --> 00:06:49,649 doesn't know who I am. You know. So I gotta give the guy a little 118 00:06:49,649 --> 00:06:52,229 bit of background, right? Because you just can't count on 119 00:06:52,229 --> 00:06:54,359 anyone else to do that. That's why I did it. 120 00:06:54,930 --> 00:06:57,090 Okay, well, here's what I limited. I'm going to read from 121 00:06:57,090 --> 00:07:00,030 my notepad if you want to know what what I wrote down as this 122 00:07:00,030 --> 00:07:08,550 was going on. All right. long ass kissing moment. And then the 123 00:07:08,550 --> 00:07:12,090 next line is, when does Paul actually talk? 124 00:07:15,060 --> 00:07:16,320 It was only two minutes. 125 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,130 Well, two minutes, you know is can be 126 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,560 Well, I'm sorry, I could have gotten your question in. 127 00:07:23,430 --> 00:07:26,760 So anyway, you by the way, you got my questions in now. Now the 128 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,000 thing that I admire about this interview, and I and I, you're 129 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,890 probably not aware of the fact that this was an amazing thing 130 00:07:34,890 --> 00:07:39,930 that you did, only because nobody ever does it. And it's 131 00:07:39,930 --> 00:07:43,050 kind of on the one hand is like, you know, kind of a grammar 132 00:07:43,050 --> 00:07:47,100 school question. And the other hand is like a question is never 133 00:07:47,100 --> 00:07:49,800 asked enough. And it's interesting to have somebody 134 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,580 from his position, explain it. And that's when you you ask the 135 00:07:53,580 --> 00:07:58,680 question. Like, what, insofar as Paul's concerned or what is he? 136 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,220 Or you had Paul explain what's the difference between a 137 00:08:02,220 --> 00:08:05,520 democracy and a republic? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And I thought 138 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,120 that was a an educational moment. I didn't like the 139 00:08:09,119 --> 00:08:13,109 way he explained it, actually. Did you think he did a good job 140 00:08:13,109 --> 00:08:16,409 on that? He was correct. But I was really looking for an even 141 00:08:16,409 --> 00:08:21,449 simpler answer. Quite honestly, or a short. I don't know. To me, 142 00:08:21,449 --> 00:08:25,049 it's like okay, yeah, you explained it, but people who 143 00:08:25,049 --> 00:08:28,979 don't understand even the fact that America is a republic, I 144 00:08:28,979 --> 00:08:32,099 don't think it hit the mark entirely. But that is exactly 145 00:08:32,099 --> 00:08:34,619 what I tended to do. John, if I wanted to bait the guy I mean, 146 00:08:34,619 --> 00:08:37,109 that's easy. I can debate the guy all day long. I think that 147 00:08:37,109 --> 00:08:39,599 is you know what people are saying oh, well it was a good 148 00:08:39,599 --> 00:08:42,839 interview you know, I learned a lot but wasn't really explosive 149 00:08:42,869 --> 00:08:45,839 you know, that's exactly what mainstream media tries to do is 150 00:08:45,839 --> 00:08:49,379 tries to pull someone out you know, catch him on his words get 151 00:08:49,379 --> 00:08:52,079 him to say something stupid and then you know make it a headline 152 00:08:52,079 --> 00:08:53,579 I just wanted to hear the guy talk. 153 00:08:54,780 --> 00:08:57,990 Yeah, no, I actually thought that was a great a great move 154 00:08:57,990 --> 00:09:02,130 and it was something I've never seen anybody do so that was 155 00:09:02,130 --> 00:09:08,160 good. Thank No there was a bring back troops thing there was a 156 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,940 cache as clay and oh no the armed militia this was 157 00:09:11,940 --> 00:09:14,760 interesting to me because it brought it to cash this clay 158 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:20,010 thing is my notes there was a Paul was talking about how you 159 00:09:20,010 --> 00:09:26,340 know we're Americans by right are supposed to be armed to the 160 00:09:26,340 --> 00:09:30,120 teeth right? For whatever reason, and I'm reminded 161 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,900 reminded me of an anecdote that was interesting. When because 162 00:09:33,900 --> 00:09:36,180 when people bring up gun control and things like that, and I'm 163 00:09:36,210 --> 00:09:41,160 not a gun control advocate or non advocate, I have to say I do 164 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,130 like shooting guns and I like I have a lot of friends that have 165 00:09:44,130 --> 00:09:47,730 collections we will go out to a range and shoot Yeah, man turn 166 00:09:47,730 --> 00:09:51,900 John doesn't Ajaan no doesn't actually doesn't turn me on but 167 00:09:51,900 --> 00:09:57,000 it's a lot of fun. Okay, anyway, so no, like an arsonist. Anyway. 168 00:09:58,140 --> 00:10:04,050 So I visited The the mansion or the former mansion of the 169 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:10,860 antebellum or the Civil War, I guess he was a state officer 170 00:10:10,890 --> 00:10:14,370 Cassius Clay, who was a Henry Clay's? I think his brother, 171 00:10:14,430 --> 00:10:19,200 okay. And cashes Clay had this place out and outside. I think 172 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,140 it's outside of Lexington, Kentucky. People are going to 173 00:10:22,140 --> 00:10:24,600 start writing Do you don't know anything. But I think it's 174 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:29,010 Lexington. So I went in there and caches clays is very famous 175 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:36,810 senator. And he one time a cannon, apparently. And he was 176 00:10:36,810 --> 00:10:40,380 an abolitionist, which was not popular in the area. And so they 177 00:10:40,380 --> 00:10:44,880 tried to like fuck with him. And the locals. And so then the 178 00:10:44,910 --> 00:10:48,720 including the sheriff and and the local police, and he had a 179 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,830 cannon in front of his house that he filled with shrapnel. 180 00:10:53,130 --> 00:10:56,370 And when they came to, you know what, either get him or arrest 181 00:10:56,370 --> 00:10:59,130 him or harass him or whatever they're going to do. He shooted 182 00:10:59,130 --> 00:10:59,550 Adam, 183 00:11:01,289 --> 00:11:04,739 which was his second amendment rights being exercised. 184 00:11:05,190 --> 00:11:08,250 Exactly. And, you know, eventually they stopped coming 185 00:11:08,250 --> 00:11:12,360 over. And he needed to do that. Otherwise, you know, bad things 186 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,660 were gonna happen to him. No, thanks to the local authorities. 187 00:11:16,230 --> 00:11:19,440 And I've always thought that was like, you know, people moan and 188 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,800 groan about it, assault weapons hold arrest. Skye has like a 189 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:27,960 cannon that he's shooting. And so so I'm always thinking back 190 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,180 on that, like, what would have happened if he didn't have the 191 00:11:30,180 --> 00:11:30,540 cannon? 192 00:11:30,569 --> 00:11:33,389 So I think there's lots of modern day analogies to that 193 00:11:33,389 --> 00:11:33,929 story. 194 00:11:35,970 --> 00:11:41,400 None that I can think of, but yeah, they probably are. Now, by 195 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,970 the way, that the funny story about the about the caches, Clay 196 00:11:45,990 --> 00:11:50,910 house, you know, in caches clay, of course, is who Muhammad Ali. 197 00:11:51,030 --> 00:11:54,660 Yeah, named himself after right? No, no, he named himself 198 00:11:54,660 --> 00:11:58,710 Muhammad Ali. He was born calves born Cassius Clay, okay. Because 199 00:11:58,710 --> 00:12:05,610 most of the lot of real you know, a lot of famous blacks are 200 00:12:05,610 --> 00:12:08,730 named after famous whites, or I mean, I'm sorry, a lot of black 201 00:12:08,730 --> 00:12:12,660 slaves were named after famous whites and became a tradition in 202 00:12:12,660 --> 00:12:15,210 the black community to name people after famous people. 203 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:19,380 Okay, and so cashes Clay was named after this guy. Now the 204 00:12:19,380 --> 00:12:22,740 kicker and anybody who happens to be in the area of Lexington 205 00:12:22,770 --> 00:12:25,110 should go check out this. This is actually a very interesting 206 00:12:25,110 --> 00:12:30,150 place. Because for one thing, there's a bunch of little, like 207 00:12:30,150 --> 00:12:35,010 busts that showed for example, his sister's clothes and the 208 00:12:35,010 --> 00:12:40,350 some of these people during that era, in the 1850s. Were, if they 209 00:12:40,350 --> 00:12:42,990 were forced seven, it was a miracle, especially the women 210 00:12:43,110 --> 00:12:47,790 that weren't getting a lot of vitamin B. And his his, his wife 211 00:12:47,790 --> 00:12:51,510 was obviously a she was a nice wife, I'm sorry, I think was a 212 00:12:51,510 --> 00:12:54,480 sister. This has been years ago when I was over there. His 213 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,630 sister was and I should obviously read something before 214 00:12:57,630 --> 00:12:59,850 I do these interviews or these this show with you. 215 00:13:01,410 --> 00:13:05,640 Why ruin the spontaneity? Yeah, right. Um, so I'm waiting for 216 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,650 the ETA on this point you're about to make. 217 00:13:09,030 --> 00:13:14,460 I'm getting there. So anyway, the so long road anyway, so his 218 00:13:14,460 --> 00:13:19,740 his sister was a woman, you know, activist. When you start 219 00:13:19,740 --> 00:13:22,380 to see the pictures of her and all her friends, you could tell 220 00:13:22,380 --> 00:13:26,730 she was kind of she was a lesbian. It's kind of amusing. 221 00:13:26,790 --> 00:13:29,910 But anyway, the story I'm trying to get to, but she was like four 222 00:13:29,910 --> 00:13:33,150 foot two or something. They had like a thing of, you know, like, 223 00:13:33,150 --> 00:13:35,400 what the clothes she wore. She couldn't have been bigger than a 224 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:36,060 12 year old. 225 00:13:36,059 --> 00:13:37,709 I bet she had a huge as cannon 226 00:13:38,789 --> 00:13:42,719 that she might have. Anyway, so I'm looking around this house. 227 00:13:42,719 --> 00:13:47,609 And there's an there is a newspaper article about a famous 228 00:13:47,639 --> 00:13:52,199 African who came to visit Kentucky and he visited the 229 00:13:52,199 --> 00:13:56,069 house and he met with caches clay, and his name was Muhammad 230 00:13:56,099 --> 00:14:00,719 Ali. Wow. Yeah, that's what I thought. And so I was like, wow, 231 00:14:00,719 --> 00:14:04,049 that's cool. And I'm now I'm thinking that like Cassius Clay 232 00:14:04,049 --> 00:14:05,969 himself, the boxer may, you know, 233 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,060 because he eat heard the story, and he named himself Muhammad 234 00:14:09,060 --> 00:14:09,480 Ali. 235 00:14:09,929 --> 00:14:14,999 He may have actually visited this museum. And so that that's 236 00:14:14,999 --> 00:14:17,699 a cool name. Because there's a weird connection there that I 237 00:14:17,729 --> 00:14:21,239 there's never been explained to me. That's the story. 238 00:14:21,270 --> 00:14:25,170 Oh, John, I'm so happy. You told me that story. Well, the 239 00:14:25,170 --> 00:14:27,810 funny thing about that, anyway, your interview triggered my 240 00:14:27,810 --> 00:14:28,920 thoughts on that story. 241 00:14:29,070 --> 00:14:35,610 Okay. So that was the second amendment question, which I 242 00:14:35,610 --> 00:14:42,090 actually felt he answered really well. And responded, kind of the 243 00:14:42,090 --> 00:14:44,970 way I had expected when I said, Well, you know, do we have to 244 00:14:44,970 --> 00:14:48,150 defend ourselves from internal dangers yet? And he's like, 245 00:14:48,150 --> 00:14:49,710 Well, that's what I'm trying to avoid. 246 00:14:51,299 --> 00:14:55,739 Yeah, I noticed that. Yeah, he's, he's, he's like an inch 247 00:14:55,739 --> 00:14:58,949 away from thinking it might be something weird to think about, 248 00:14:59,039 --> 00:15:00,479 but we don't have cannons. anymore. 249 00:15:01,169 --> 00:15:05,309 No, they've been taken away. And by the way, I have stuff that's 250 00:15:05,309 --> 00:15:06,719 pretty, pretty powerful Mojo. 251 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:09,330 Yeah, yeah. 252 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:16,710 I got a Japanese machine gun. I have no I've no, no bullets, but 253 00:15:16,710 --> 00:15:20,580 I got to make bullets was bayonet on it 254 00:15:22,350 --> 00:15:25,140 a machine gun with a band net? Yeah, it's really weird. It's 255 00:15:25,140 --> 00:15:27,450 not just a stationary machine. And it's like the one you carry 256 00:15:27,450 --> 00:15:28,680 around like, yeah, 257 00:15:29,039 --> 00:15:32,039 yeah, you have a tight tripod. It kind of folds out. The 258 00:15:32,069 --> 00:15:34,379 there's a tripod on the front. And then there's like a stick 259 00:15:34,379 --> 00:15:37,379 thing in the back. And it's a belt fed system. My grandfather 260 00:15:37,409 --> 00:15:39,749 took out a machine nest in the South Pacific and brought it 261 00:15:39,749 --> 00:15:40,859 home in pieces. 262 00:15:41,910 --> 00:15:47,880 Huh, yeah. So anyway, he went in. That was fascinating. So 263 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:53,490 the, then you got him into the thoughtful pregnancy story. Wow. 264 00:15:53,490 --> 00:15:56,670 Yeah. That was interesting. I like that, that that was quite 265 00:15:56,670 --> 00:15:57,000 good. 266 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:03,960 Well, the so my takeaway from that was that yes, so with right 267 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,900 comes responsibility, I guess is what he's saying. And even the 268 00:16:07,020 --> 00:16:12,450 unborn foetus has a right to life. So you have no right to 269 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:17,520 remove that even though you have the remote the right to put into 270 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,760 or remove anything you want from your body, but not if you kill, 271 00:16:20,970 --> 00:16:26,010 and what he's saying is another human being, therefore, you need 272 00:16:26,010 --> 00:16:29,340 to respect your responsibility for having sex, which I thought 273 00:16:29,340 --> 00:16:33,090 was okay, that you've some kind of point is made there. But then 274 00:16:33,090 --> 00:16:35,100 he kind of gave an out, which I thought was interesting by 275 00:16:35,100 --> 00:16:37,710 saying, Well, you know, if you can't prove a crime was 276 00:16:37,710 --> 00:16:43,320 committed, ie, if you terminate a pregnancy, I really I don't 277 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,260 know, like first yesterday or whatever, you if you can't prove 278 00:16:46,260 --> 00:16:48,750 it, then you can't prove it. So that was kind of his out, which 279 00:16:48,750 --> 00:16:51,810 was was weird. It seemed to me like he was talking a lot about 280 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,690 late term pregnancy. And you know, and I'm sure this goes 281 00:16:54,690 --> 00:16:57,840 deep into the whole Roe versus Wade, my head hurts just 282 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,450 thinking about I don't know if we can actually resolve this. 283 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,630 Well, you know, I thought it was interesting, because he didn't 284 00:17:03,630 --> 00:17:05,700 take it from a religious perspective, 285 00:17:05,970 --> 00:17:08,550 even though he is very religious. Yeah, well, I 286 00:17:08,550 --> 00:17:11,730 mean, he's obviously we re engineered his thinking, but, 287 00:17:12,120 --> 00:17:16,020 but I've never heard anyone. Actually, I don't know why. 288 00:17:16,620 --> 00:17:20,130 Maybe I'm not listening, which is possible. I don't know anyone 289 00:17:20,130 --> 00:17:23,760 who's actually D took it from a constitutional perspective, that 290 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:29,070 this person which exists at some point, has constitutional 291 00:17:29,070 --> 00:17:31,680 rights. It's got nothing to do with religion. And if we're 292 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,410 going to, you know, be strict constitutionalist. We have to 293 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,270 give them their rights, even though they're inside some 294 00:17:36,270 --> 00:17:36,600 woman. 295 00:17:36,630 --> 00:17:38,910 Right. Well, that's that was what I asked him to do, of 296 00:17:38,910 --> 00:17:41,760 course, you know, talk about each issue and take it down to 297 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,130 the Constitution, which is what he's running on. As far as you 298 00:17:44,130 --> 00:17:47,160 know, that's it's like he he just every and you know, John, I 299 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,190 don't see anyone. I look, I look at these debates. I don't see 300 00:17:50,190 --> 00:17:53,100 anyone challenging him what he said. He says some pretty 301 00:17:53,100 --> 00:17:59,190 radical and opposing things to the GOP debate. But no one no 302 00:17:59,190 --> 00:18:02,520 one ever calls him on it. He just says these amazing things 303 00:18:03,420 --> 00:18:05,760 and draws it right down to the Constitution. Everyone's like, 304 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,160 Okay, I might as well shut up because you can argue it. 305 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,900 Yeah, I think they've all doing their best to marginalise the 306 00:18:12,900 --> 00:18:14,280 guy. They don't yet. Yeah, 307 00:18:14,310 --> 00:18:15,960 that's exactly what's happening. I agree. 308 00:18:17,369 --> 00:18:19,739 Now, the other one that was interesting, which we talked 309 00:18:19,739 --> 00:18:21,689 about before you had the interview, which was the Ralph 310 00:18:21,689 --> 00:18:22,289 Nader, 311 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,950 that was your idea. You heard I got it in there. Right? Yeah. 312 00:18:26,580 --> 00:18:30,570 And he voided it, claiming that it had nothing to do with it. 313 00:18:30,660 --> 00:18:35,310 Well, he said, No, he said, I wrote it down. I don't know. 314 00:18:35,340 --> 00:18:37,800 It's for personal reasons, is what he said. And then he said, 315 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,710 you know, it would just be too much too much energy. I've tried 316 00:18:40,710 --> 00:18:43,770 it before. It won't work. You know, he says, if I'm not 317 00:18:43,770 --> 00:18:46,170 running Republican, then I can't even get into these types of 318 00:18:46,170 --> 00:18:50,220 debates that it sounded. And I even said, like, you know, this 319 00:18:50,220 --> 00:18:53,130 is a 72 year old guy, you know, he knows that running as an 320 00:18:53,130 --> 00:18:56,220 independent, unless you have, I don't think he actually locked 321 00:18:56,220 --> 00:18:59,790 it out. But unless you have some kind of incredible groundswell, 322 00:18:59,790 --> 00:19:02,400 which is just unbelievable. You know, I'm sure he could be 323 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,850 convinced. If it was very clear that he actually had a shot at 324 00:19:05,850 --> 00:19:06,990 winning as an independent. 325 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:12,510 Yeah, he, he's done. He's done. The homework. He knows that, you 326 00:19:12,510 --> 00:19:14,880 know, that in the past, the closest thing was ever, ever 327 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:20,010 come is Teddy Roosevelt ran under the Bull Moose Party, not 328 00:19:20,070 --> 00:19:24,870 really a great name for a party. And then, of course, we had 329 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:29,190 Ralph Nader more recently, and then Ross Perot had a shot when 330 00:19:29,190 --> 00:19:33,060 Ross kind of drove himself out of the election because he felt 331 00:19:33,060 --> 00:19:36,630 that, you know, somebody, he claims that somebody came up, 332 00:19:36,660 --> 00:19:41,490 knocked on his door and showed them photos or something. And he 333 00:19:41,490 --> 00:19:43,740 has his weird story that he's never really 334 00:19:44,130 --> 00:19:46,410 remember that. Yeah, I do. Remember he was like, you know, 335 00:19:46,410 --> 00:19:49,740 I got to protect my family and my privacy. And wasn't that it, 336 00:19:49,740 --> 00:19:51,270 didn't you? So there 337 00:19:51,270 --> 00:19:54,750 was some somebody knocked on the door. Yeah. And it sounds like a 338 00:19:54,750 --> 00:19:57,420 government agency that said, Look, get out of this thing, 339 00:19:57,420 --> 00:19:59,970 because here's what's going to happen if you don't know that. 340 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,270 threatened him. Yeah, somebody which, you know, may or may not 341 00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:05,580 be true, it's possible it could have been a bluff could have 342 00:20:05,580 --> 00:20:07,530 been any number of things. But 343 00:20:08,490 --> 00:20:11,520 Well, either way, he didn't deserve to be president because 344 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,430 if you're gonna pull it out because of that, then I'm sorry. 345 00:20:14,430 --> 00:20:18,510 You know, that's, that's the job that you, you know you, you can 346 00:20:18,510 --> 00:20:21,240 be killed. If you have that job, no doubt about it, you got to 347 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,720 know that going in. So and if he copped out and if he copped out 348 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,450 by actually, I was gonna ask him that I fucking I didn't get to 349 00:20:27,450 --> 00:20:31,380 it. I wanted to ask him if he feared for his life. You know, 350 00:20:31,410 --> 00:20:35,220 because he has such opposing and sometimes viewed as, you know, 351 00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:39,390 radical viewpoints or people see that as radical or, you know, 352 00:20:39,660 --> 00:20:42,000 and if you actually catch the worst thing, of course, is, you 353 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,030 know, the shits working. So, I was gonna ask him if he was 354 00:20:45,030 --> 00:20:48,780 worried about his own personal safety, as you know, he's 355 00:20:48,780 --> 00:20:54,450 basically gaining traction and you know, could obscure other 356 00:20:54,450 --> 00:20:57,120 people from, from all the attention. 357 00:20:58,710 --> 00:21:02,520 That would have been a good question. Yeah. Sorry. I think 358 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,820 everybody out there should. Once okay. I don't think he's got 359 00:21:05,820 --> 00:21:08,970 that much traction. I think people out there should, if you 360 00:21:08,970 --> 00:21:10,560 want to read something interesting, especially the 361 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,500 European audience, read Confessions of an economic 362 00:21:13,500 --> 00:21:19,590 hitman. A kind of an interesting tale. We don't know whether how 363 00:21:19,590 --> 00:21:25,170 much of it's true or not, but it has a lot of so many elements of 364 00:21:25,170 --> 00:21:27,990 truth. That is a very interesting book, to say the 365 00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:33,120 least. It's also available on tape. Anyway, but yeah, overall, 366 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:35,760 I thought you did a great job. It was it was a fascinating 367 00:21:35,910 --> 00:21:38,400 interview. And I'd never heard anyone do a really long 368 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,080 interview with the guy like that. Well, you 369 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,890 never do. And, and, or you'll hear, I mean, man, have you ever 370 00:21:43,890 --> 00:21:46,530 listened to like Newsweek online, or there's so many of 371 00:21:46,530 --> 00:21:50,370 these, these are radio news programmes and your NPR type 372 00:21:50,370 --> 00:21:53,460 stuff, and what I hear all the time, and it really bugs the 373 00:21:53,460 --> 00:21:55,920 hell out of me, because it you know, once you tune into it, and 374 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,850 you know, your unconditioned your mind, what you hear is they 375 00:21:59,850 --> 00:22:02,010 did a really, you know, a producer did a really long 376 00:22:02,010 --> 00:22:05,820 interview with someone, and then they'll chop it into bits, and 377 00:22:05,820 --> 00:22:09,270 then they'll have the host asked questions, you know, no sound 378 00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:12,330 like, well, let me ask you about the Second Amendment. Dr. Ron 379 00:22:12,330 --> 00:22:15,600 Paul, what is your viewpoint on this? And then you can clearly 380 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,000 hear the answer from a conversation being cut in you 381 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,340 know, the, the never step on each other. And, you know, 382 00:22:20,340 --> 00:22:23,970 sometimes you can almost hear the edits. And I despise that 383 00:22:23,970 --> 00:22:26,910 because, you know, you can look, it's like reality television, 384 00:22:26,910 --> 00:22:30,660 you could build a story and, and put in answers any way you want. 385 00:22:30,660 --> 00:22:34,470 So, this was completely unedited from beginning to get into the 386 00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:39,210 end. And I yeah, I'm glad you liked it. Because if only we 387 00:22:39,210 --> 00:22:42,840 could get this type of conversation or information or 388 00:22:43,260 --> 00:22:46,200 just impression from all of the candidates, that would be really 389 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,550 nice. But the media, in general just doesn't make it that way 390 00:22:50,550 --> 00:22:51,150 anymore. 391 00:22:52,530 --> 00:22:55,020 You know, another thing you mentioned, when you talk about 392 00:22:55,020 --> 00:23:00,450 that kind of thing is the is the pre interview, which is what a 393 00:23:00,450 --> 00:23:03,570 lot of people like to do i And you and I know, I know, you 394 00:23:03,570 --> 00:23:05,940 don't like him, I don't like him. I've always thought that 395 00:23:05,940 --> 00:23:08,400 they were a bad idea, which is another word you get the person 396 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,270 on. And you you interview them before they actually do the 397 00:23:12,270 --> 00:23:13,950 show. And they talk themselves out. Yeah, 398 00:23:13,980 --> 00:23:17,370 exactly. Exactly. And particularly, and this is what I 399 00:23:17,370 --> 00:23:19,830 hate the most is if you have a funny moment in the pre 400 00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:21,900 interview, and you're laughing, and then you try to recreate 401 00:23:21,900 --> 00:23:23,730 that by asking the same question. And it's just not 402 00:23:23,730 --> 00:23:27,330 funny. The timing is blown. Yeah, it never works. It never 403 00:23:27,330 --> 00:23:30,390 ever. In fact, before we started this, you called me on Skype, 404 00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:32,160 and you want us and you said, hey, you know what? And I said, 405 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,370 No, don't tell me. I don't want to hear it. What was it? By the 406 00:23:35,370 --> 00:23:37,410 way, you want to tell me that forgot? 407 00:23:40,020 --> 00:23:42,630 By the way, and if I told you, you know, I would have thought 408 00:23:42,660 --> 00:23:44,850 see the problem with that people don't get out there when they 409 00:23:44,850 --> 00:23:48,120 you know, immediate people. And you when I when you do a lot of 410 00:23:48,120 --> 00:23:52,320 interviews with other hosts and people you have there are the 411 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,370 two schools of thought. In fact, there's, Larry King has one of 412 00:23:56,370 --> 00:23:58,590 the more interesting schools of thought, although you know, now 413 00:23:58,590 --> 00:24:01,110 he's basically a celebrity interviewer. But when I used to 414 00:24:01,290 --> 00:24:05,310 do his radio show I did three or four times. And the first time 415 00:24:05,310 --> 00:24:08,130 he'd come on his show, and I always kind of, you know, I kind 416 00:24:08,130 --> 00:24:10,290 of admired some of his techniques, even though some 417 00:24:10,290 --> 00:24:13,620 people would say, well, that's just being lazy. And maybe, to 418 00:24:13,620 --> 00:24:16,290 some extent, but one of the things is when the if the first 419 00:24:16,290 --> 00:24:19,260 time you do a Larry King Show, at least used to be in the 420 00:24:19,260 --> 00:24:22,290 radio, Larry and want to meet Yeah, he didn't want to talk to 421 00:24:22,290 --> 00:24:25,320 you. He didn't want to read your book. And the reason and the 422 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,590 reason was for not wanting to read the book, or even seeing a 423 00:24:28,590 --> 00:24:32,280 copy was he figured nobody out there in the audience read the 424 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,910 book. So why so let's start talking about it as though 425 00:24:35,910 --> 00:24:40,830 you're some guy who just met on the street. Yeah. So let's start 426 00:24:40,830 --> 00:24:44,790 from square zero. Yeah. And I always thought that was actually 427 00:24:44,790 --> 00:24:47,130 a pretty interesting technique and the idea and then the other 428 00:24:47,130 --> 00:24:49,560 thing with with I've been on shows where they want to pre 429 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,630 interview and they ask every question they're going to ask 430 00:24:51,780 --> 00:24:54,480 half the time, it never ends up on the show anyway. And then 431 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,480 when you've asked it, there's a real problem. People don't 432 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,630 realise is that when you've just talked about something And, and 433 00:25:00,630 --> 00:25:04,260 you're you're in a complicated interview situation. You're not 434 00:25:04,260 --> 00:25:06,780 absolutely sure that you just told the guy that you don't want 435 00:25:06,780 --> 00:25:09,750 to repeat yourself. Yeah. Example during the pre 436 00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:10,290 interview. 437 00:25:10,350 --> 00:25:13,890 Yeah. You see that on the Tonight Show all the time. 438 00:25:13,890 --> 00:25:18,450 Jalen. Oh, man, that guy, you know, he forgets. If you ever 439 00:25:18,450 --> 00:25:22,740 get stuck in, in an interview process, say, Now wasn't there, 440 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,980 like a really interesting story about your dog or something that 441 00:25:25,980 --> 00:25:28,830 I heard about? And I was like, fuck you that was written on 442 00:25:28,830 --> 00:25:33,000 your piece of paper. And the, the producer said, Hey, she's 443 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,730 got a really cool story about a dog. You got to ask it. 444 00:25:36,780 --> 00:25:42,000 Ya know, it's really lame. Yeah. I mean, I know that they would 445 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,940 they have to pre interview. Both Letterman and Leno have to do a 446 00:25:44,940 --> 00:25:47,550 lot of pre interviews with the guests, because they have a lot 447 00:25:47,550 --> 00:25:51,090 of actors and people on the shows that really are have no 448 00:25:51,090 --> 00:25:56,580 personalities. And in the many times they don't know whether 449 00:25:56,580 --> 00:25:59,250 they're going to be good or not on the show. So they do, they 450 00:25:59,310 --> 00:26:03,240 usually beat him up in the pre interview. And then they 451 00:26:03,270 --> 00:26:05,730 unfortunately, when the real interview comes out, unless the 452 00:26:05,730 --> 00:26:08,220 person has got a lot of personality, they they're tucked 453 00:26:08,220 --> 00:26:11,340 out already. And they come. I mean, do you see numerous people 454 00:26:11,340 --> 00:26:12,960 that you've never seen before? I've always wanted to see him 455 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,210 you realise why they never get on talk shows is because they 456 00:26:15,210 --> 00:26:16,380 haven't got anything to say. 457 00:26:16,590 --> 00:26:19,410 Yeah, well, when I set when this interview got set up, and I 458 00:26:19,410 --> 00:26:22,020 spoke to the communications director, I said, you know, 459 00:26:22,020 --> 00:26:27,270 please, you really have gotten to let you know, Dr. Ron, listen 460 00:26:27,270 --> 00:26:29,610 to my show, at least some of it just so you understand. You 461 00:26:29,610 --> 00:26:31,560 know, it's gonna be really different. I want them to know, 462 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,680 I don't want them to be unprepared. And particularly, 463 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,510 because, you know, there's a lot of fuck us. And they're like, 464 00:26:36,510 --> 00:26:40,170 that'd be funny. And, and he said, Yeah, no, no, I'll be on 465 00:26:40,170 --> 00:26:43,230 the plane with him. And I'll put it on my iPod. And I'll put the 466 00:26:43,230 --> 00:26:45,840 headphones on, so he can listen to and it's okay. Look, there's 467 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,600 only one thing I guarantee you, I'm going to ask. And I really, 468 00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:51,270 it would be it's cool. You know, this is part of part of the 469 00:26:51,270 --> 00:26:54,060 culture of my show. And my audience is this scrunch or 470 00:26:54,060 --> 00:26:56,400 folder thing? And I set it up and said, Oh, yeah, that's 471 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,100 funny. I'll certainly tell them about it. We clearly hadn't told 472 00:26:59,100 --> 00:27:04,770 the guy. And I was like, come on. And he's like, no, no, like, 473 00:27:04,770 --> 00:27:07,080 maybe I can get some information out of you know, as a medical 474 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,160 doctor, can you tell me Is it better to fold or scrunch. Mr. 475 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,010 constitutionalist, comes back with, you know, it's your body. 476 00:27:14,790 --> 00:27:17,670 Do whatever you want with it. All right. 477 00:27:18,209 --> 00:27:20,939 That's an answer. That's what I'm going to use for 478 00:27:20,939 --> 00:27:23,009 announcements. Somebody brings it up. I'm 479 00:27:23,010 --> 00:27:27,090 sure he's just cruncher. I know it. I know it for sure. He can 480 00:27:27,090 --> 00:27:31,740 just see you. You see it in his face. You have anything more on 481 00:27:31,740 --> 00:27:33,420 the Ron Paul thing? Because I got one thing for you. 482 00:27:34,050 --> 00:27:36,420 Okay, go. I'm done. Yeah. Okay, good. 483 00:27:37,230 --> 00:27:44,490 I read something on your blog. Hold on, let me just find it. It 484 00:27:44,490 --> 00:27:47,790 was about thought crimes. 485 00:27:48,659 --> 00:27:50,879 Oh, yeah. Yeah. And that unbelievable. 486 00:27:50,909 --> 00:27:52,889 You just kind of you just got to tell that story. Because that 487 00:27:52,889 --> 00:27:55,379 blew me away. When I read that. Well, there's 488 00:27:55,379 --> 00:28:01,559 a bill. I think it's hr 1955. That was just been passed with 489 00:28:01,559 --> 00:28:03,869 the exception. I think only three Democrats and three 490 00:28:03,869 --> 00:28:08,939 Republicans voted against it. So the early for me, I just got up. 491 00:28:09,059 --> 00:28:13,199 I'm sorry. Anyway, so they've actually passed this bill, HR 492 00:28:13,199 --> 00:28:15,719 1955. You can look it up and go to the blog and check it out to 493 00:28:15,719 --> 00:28:20,699 varric.org/blog. There it is. And read it. Your Thank you. And 494 00:28:21,089 --> 00:28:24,329 it's an actress if you read between the lines. This is it's 495 00:28:24,329 --> 00:28:28,919 a thought crimes. Bill. It's a bill that doesn't want you to 496 00:28:28,949 --> 00:28:32,549 have any, you know, philosophy. 497 00:28:32,550 --> 00:28:35,190 Let's put it this way. If right now, you and I ever met. If you 498 00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:38,280 and I were talking and we and we say hey, you know, man, we had 499 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,070 the right to bear arms. You know, we should we should go 500 00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:43,140 back and blow the government away. You know, that the bad 501 00:28:43,140 --> 00:28:46,830 guys just that conversation? Particularly I think the 502 00:28:46,830 --> 00:28:50,220 internet has even mentioned specifically in the bill doing 503 00:28:50,220 --> 00:28:52,020 that I think might even be illegal. 504 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:58,170 Yeah. That's fun. I think Ron Paul actually voted against it. 505 00:28:58,170 --> 00:29:00,810 I checked it he voted against it. Well, he voted against it 506 00:29:00,810 --> 00:29:04,320 but he was in the interview with you I think he came within a 507 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,560 hair of actually violating that law if it was actually a law 508 00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:08,010 right now it's 509 00:29:08,010 --> 00:29:11,220 just a bill but so that means it's passed Congress 510 00:29:11,940 --> 00:29:16,260 it's passed the other house so the Senate has to have you know, 511 00:29:16,260 --> 00:29:18,750 either approve it or do their version and then the President 512 00:29:18,750 --> 00:29:21,630 has to sign off on it but with with the kind of majority of 513 00:29:21,630 --> 00:29:25,230 both parties saying this is a great idea that 514 00:29:25,770 --> 00:29:29,220 way I mean, did these guys read this fucking bill? Or did that 515 00:29:29,220 --> 00:29:31,710 someone just say this is what it's about man he's just vote 516 00:29:31,710 --> 00:29:35,460 yes on this. How does that work? I don't understand that. 517 00:29:36,150 --> 00:29:38,970 I don't I think they're spending too much time with the the you 518 00:29:38,970 --> 00:29:42,030 know, parties with lobbyists you know, collecting money I don't 519 00:29:42,030 --> 00:29:44,850 know what what what they're thinking they won't do the six 520 00:29:44,850 --> 00:29:48,180 people which I should probably put in a blog posting who voted 521 00:29:48,180 --> 00:29:50,340 against this seems to be the only people either read it or 522 00:29:50,340 --> 00:29:52,770 maybe there's other guys think it's a good idea which I really 523 00:29:52,770 --> 00:29:53,460 can't believe 524 00:29:53,490 --> 00:29:55,890 that that would really be frightening. You got I mean, I 525 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,400 It's funny because I went I saw it come through on what Google 526 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,650 Reader and So I went to the blog because you know, of course you 527 00:30:01,650 --> 00:30:06,420 don't get you don't get full articles from your RSS feed. 528 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,000 And you want me to tell you why No. 529 00:30:10,590 --> 00:30:13,140 So I went over, you know, so of course, I click on the link, I 530 00:30:13,140 --> 00:30:15,870 go over, then I gotta click again, because I get your ad. 531 00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:20,910 And I finally get to the story. And, but, you know, there was a 532 00:30:20,910 --> 00:30:25,380 very thoughtful link there to, to the bill. And I guess there 533 00:30:25,380 --> 00:30:27,810 was another story about it that it linked to and from there, you 534 00:30:27,810 --> 00:30:33,600 could you could, by state see which each representative who 535 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:38,190 had voted Yes. Yay. Or, or no. And I like you know, I'm gonna 536 00:30:38,190 --> 00:30:40,620 remember some of these names. Man, that's messed up. 537 00:30:41,910 --> 00:30:44,520 It's pretty, pretty pathetic. But you know, that's the way 538 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:49,260 things are right now. So, yeah, well, that's a good call. Let me 539 00:30:49,260 --> 00:30:51,270 give you one. You know, one of the things I've noticed over the 540 00:30:51,270 --> 00:30:54,360 past few days is that people, especially in Europe, or you 541 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,690 know, this, oh, you're in California, how the fires. Yeah. 542 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,140 And the fires are terrible. But the fires are nowhere around 543 00:31:01,140 --> 00:31:03,780 here. They people don't realise that California is around 600 544 00:31:04,020 --> 00:31:08,910 plus miles from one end to the other, maybe more. And it's 450 545 00:31:08,910 --> 00:31:12,690 miles from where I am to the fires because San Francisco and 546 00:31:12,690 --> 00:31:17,160 Los Angeles areas pretty long ways. It's from I don't know, 547 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,310 what's the distance from Wales to London? 548 00:31:21,540 --> 00:31:23,490 Last couple 100 miles, maybe 549 00:31:25,170 --> 00:31:27,540 like that, you know, it's like going to Scotland I guess. 550 00:31:27,570 --> 00:31:31,170 Yeah, yeah. Probably like that. Well, you know, hear hear when 551 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,870 when shit was happening of North people in London Didn't Know 552 00:31:33,870 --> 00:31:36,960 About people were drowning that their homes were floating away. 553 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,170 And it was Neil only up north. And they didn't know I mean, so 554 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,920 imagine if you're in San Francisco versus San Diego. San 555 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,550 Diego is what a good hour's flight on a on a on a commercial 556 00:31:47,550 --> 00:31:49,500 flight. That hour. 15. 557 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:50,010 Yeah, so 558 00:31:50,010 --> 00:31:51,300 that's about 400 miles. 559 00:31:52,410 --> 00:31:56,370 That's about five almost 500 to San Diego. It's a long way away. 560 00:31:56,820 --> 00:31:59,760 But people you know, they don't understand that. Why should 561 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,000 they? Nobody in the world seems to have a sense of geography. 562 00:32:03,570 --> 00:32:06,300 But the fires are, you know, this is something that I don't 563 00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:08,490 think a lot of people realise either. They got a lot of 564 00:32:08,490 --> 00:32:13,200 publicity, I know in England for sure. And much of Europe, but 565 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,470 they haven't every year. They just this is just the worst it's 566 00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:20,550 ever been but every year, a good portion of Southern California 567 00:32:20,550 --> 00:32:22,860 and sometimes the Northern California or Northern 568 00:32:22,860 --> 00:32:26,580 California too, not as much but we get we get fires up here and 569 00:32:26,580 --> 00:32:28,770 then you just happen that you get the mudslides 570 00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:31,590 I'm sorry, they after that you get the mudslides. 571 00:32:32,940 --> 00:32:37,830 Right. It's a combination. So these happen every year, there's 572 00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:40,140 you know, we have lots of acreage to burn and they burn 573 00:32:40,140 --> 00:32:43,890 them. And they get put them as best they can. And then they 574 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,220 these, these areas turn into mud. And then they write we have 575 00:32:47,220 --> 00:32:50,370 mudslides after that. And they that becomes news. But much of 576 00:32:50,370 --> 00:32:53,100 it's localised, but when they have such a fiasco, like what's 577 00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:57,450 going on, or what's finishing up, we have so many fires all 578 00:32:57,450 --> 00:32:59,700 over the place and the whole areas and you had to evacuate I 579 00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:02,100 think they had to evacuate close to a half 580 00:33:03,540 --> 00:33:05,310 a million people they're saying over here. 581 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,320 Yeah, it's like a half a million. 582 00:33:07,770 --> 00:33:09,930 They're saying a million here. Well, 583 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,750 it could be a million, but I you know, I'm finding it hard to 584 00:33:12,750 --> 00:33:16,350 believe they even evacuated 500,000. Because where did these 585 00:33:16,350 --> 00:33:20,610 people go? Yeah, I don't know. And at that joke, dived into 586 00:33:20,610 --> 00:33:23,880 traffic down. There's already you can't drive in normal 587 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:24,870 circumstances. 588 00:33:26,010 --> 00:33:27,390 That's what a point there. 589 00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:32,910 I mean, I don't know what was it must have been just a nightmare. 590 00:33:33,660 --> 00:33:34,770 Okay, it's just I wanted to 591 00:33:34,859 --> 00:33:37,829 we, I want to maybe like five more minutes. And then we'll be 592 00:33:37,829 --> 00:33:44,459 at 40 minutes. Let me just ask you. One question. Your your 593 00:33:44,459 --> 00:33:49,259 take on the now approved by the Writers Guild of America strike. 594 00:33:49,289 --> 00:33:51,629 I don't hear anyone talking about this. But I think it 595 00:33:51,629 --> 00:33:53,849 actually will be a pretty big deal. You know about this, John? 596 00:33:54,990 --> 00:33:58,650 A little bit. They're always, you know, they go on strike 597 00:33:58,650 --> 00:34:00,060 every few years, actually, 598 00:34:00,090 --> 00:34:01,380 well, but this is the big one, right? 599 00:34:02,370 --> 00:34:05,100 This is the big this is the group that counts. Yeah, this is 600 00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:05,700 the big one. And 601 00:34:05,699 --> 00:34:08,939 it's about residuals for internet usage. And clearly 602 00:34:08,939 --> 00:34:12,329 stuff is, you know, almost impossible to figure out in any 603 00:34:12,359 --> 00:34:13,439 timeframe, I'm sure. 604 00:34:14,669 --> 00:34:18,809 Yeah, you know, the Writers Guild of all of the different 605 00:34:18,809 --> 00:34:22,049 writers unions have been kind of on the wrong side of the 606 00:34:22,049 --> 00:34:25,319 argument for a lot of this stuff. But at the same time, you 607 00:34:25,319 --> 00:34:27,959 know, they're thinking, Well, you know, when TV first started, 608 00:34:28,169 --> 00:34:31,019 we had a lot of writers doing a lot of work. And there were no 609 00:34:31,019 --> 00:34:34,859 residuals of any sort. And then these things went into some sort 610 00:34:34,859 --> 00:34:38,699 of syndication that was like pre syndication era, and then that 611 00:34:38,699 --> 00:34:40,859 everyone was making money, but the people who actually did the 612 00:34:40,859 --> 00:34:43,679 shows, and then they came up with, you know, some residual 613 00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:47,279 concept after the fact, because there's still a lot of shows 614 00:34:47,279 --> 00:34:52,409 that did get passed around in syndicates that nobody's getting 615 00:34:52,409 --> 00:34:54,989 any money out of as opposed to something like law and order or 616 00:34:54,989 --> 00:34:57,959 some of the newer things that are covered, right. And so they 617 00:34:57,989 --> 00:35:00,899 so I think it's a defensive end a little free Big data about the 618 00:35:00,899 --> 00:35:05,609 internet because you know, IPTV may have some impact on how the 619 00:35:05,609 --> 00:35:09,089 money is distributed and the ideas they don't want these 620 00:35:09,089 --> 00:35:12,389 producers or the companies that own, you know, the rights to 621 00:35:12,389 --> 00:35:16,319 distribute this stuff, finding new ways to distribute without 622 00:35:16,649 --> 00:35:20,909 paying these guys. And so they take a very conservative look at 623 00:35:20,939 --> 00:35:24,209 the internet. And, you know, they just resumed saying no to 624 00:35:24,209 --> 00:35:27,419 everything, because they're just worried sick about getting 625 00:35:27,419 --> 00:35:28,709 screwed again. 626 00:35:28,980 --> 00:35:32,340 And from what I understand, the producers and the networks are 627 00:35:32,340 --> 00:35:35,430 all like, you know, we got a pretty shitty season anyway. So 628 00:35:35,460 --> 00:35:37,650 no, these guys are gonna strike you know, why don't we just let 629 00:35:37,650 --> 00:35:40,290 them strike? And we'll just do we'll get six more episodes out 630 00:35:40,290 --> 00:35:42,330 of everyone and then fuck them, you know, then we'll then we'll 631 00:35:42,330 --> 00:35:44,280 do reruns and make them the bad guy. 632 00:35:46,650 --> 00:35:49,590 Yeah, I guess or maybe they get scabs too, right. I'm not sure 633 00:35:49,590 --> 00:35:54,060 what they're going to do. But that would be funny. strike, 634 00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:58,470 strike, you know, sold online. I mean, you couldn't even find it. 635 00:35:58,470 --> 00:36:00,900 Actually, the strikers could actually be working on the 636 00:36:01,110 --> 00:36:04,050 scabs. Absolutely. You bet they will. Right. I 637 00:36:04,050 --> 00:36:08,220 mean, you Dan riders with, ya know, with the, with the 638 00:36:08,220 --> 00:36:11,790 internet and all you could do a lot of work without ever having 639 00:36:11,790 --> 00:36:14,160 to go in anywhere. Yeah, just like Wikipedia. 640 00:36:15,330 --> 00:36:17,760 There you go. Just sit at home and write it. 641 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,090 So I don't know what's so you know, I don't know what's gonna 642 00:36:21,090 --> 00:36:23,070 happen with it with that thing. I mean, a lot of this stuff's 643 00:36:23,070 --> 00:36:27,210 already in the can there's a you know, it's it's, it's a strange 644 00:36:27,210 --> 00:36:28,560 business. That's for sure. 645 00:36:28,650 --> 00:36:32,310 Damn straight. All right, John. This was the first of what I 646 00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:36,900 hope will be many chats. In our have no agenda. No agenda. Yeah, 647 00:36:36,900 --> 00:36:39,210 three, four topics sounds about about right. Maybe if we do it 648 00:36:39,210 --> 00:36:41,130 once a week might work, I think. 649 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,920 Yeah, I think that's a good idea. I don't think we I don't 650 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,400 think we can sustain this length. Because sometimes I 651 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:52,320 mean, the the, the interview you had with Dr. Ron was worth 652 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:53,670 discussing for a while. Yeah, 653 00:36:53,850 --> 00:36:57,090 true. Okay. So what we'll see, but this I would say I agree. 654 00:36:57,090 --> 00:37:00,870 This is maybe a little bit on the long side, but just under 40 655 00:37:00,870 --> 00:37:05,460 minutes is pretty much the max, I think. Yeah, I agree. All 656 00:37:05,460 --> 00:37:08,220 right, my friend. I'll see you. Well, maybe we'll do it in 657 00:37:08,220 --> 00:37:11,190 person next week in California. I think I'm out Thursday or 658 00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:11,640 Friday. 659 00:37:12,540 --> 00:37:15,210 That'd be good. I cool. All right. 660 00:37:15,690 --> 00:37:21,420 Don't hang up. Let me end the show. Yeah, okay. No agenda dot 661 00:37:21,420 --> 00:37:25,920 pod show.com. Oh, crap. I fucked it up already. Here we go by 662 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,970 another pod Show podcast. Stick it in your ear. 663 00:37:37,260 --> 00:37:40,290 The best and the brightest served up daily by the sharpest 664 00:37:40,290 --> 00:37:43,170 minds in content delivery poncho and Limelight