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podcasting 2.0 for August
19 2020 to Episode 98 It's a

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girl Friday. Hello everybody,
welcome once again to podcasting

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2.0 The one and only official
board meeting of podcasting. 2.0

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the progression of podcasting.
Hey, no, it will change things

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by the time we hit 20 Everything
happening in podcast index.org

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The namespace which we'll be
talking about today and of

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course everything that goes on
in podcast index dot social. I'm

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Adam curry here in the heart of
the Texas Hill Country and in

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Alabama, the man who put the V
in value for value say hello to

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my friend on the other end
ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave

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Jones.

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I told I told our top secret
guests like as as we were

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getting ready to launch I said
you know usually the way this

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happens you went you you did a
pre show go to the little

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podcasters I said okay, usually
how this happens is while when

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Adam goes goes into the intro,
I'm just I'm furiously typing

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and trying to post these things
to Twitter and Mastodon all at

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the same time. And but this time
I'm going to be all calm and get

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it done set up and good. Yeah,
free

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and then what happened? I'm
currently right in the middle of

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furiously typing.

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Oh, indeed.

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We did. Did you? Did you look at
the clips

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I got your clips I didn't I
never look at anybody's clips.

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no don't even look he didn't
know and look at the names or

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anything. Yeah, I

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looked at the names and I saw
something that I saw previously.

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But otherwise now I have no
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You need to take special
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there's I believe there's two of
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Yes the fruit one

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there's there's that one there's
there's another one because I

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had to I had to go to the
defense of another chicken from

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a halt this Oh no.

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Wait a minute. Are you down to
one chicken at this

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point? No, I saved this one's
life. We're literally saved this

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chickens live up to man. Take
some coffee. And I hear you're

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all this nuts in the backyard.
And I know, I know the sound

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this time you know didn't like
you remember when you had

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chickens? When you had your
kitten when you had your kids?

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Your kid and

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I've spent several years trying
to forget but okay, if you want

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to bring me back to that pain?
Yes. Little little I still have

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some I still have Oh, little
infant. Okay. Christina 30 years

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ago. Yeah. Okay.

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And you could always tell as the
parent you could tell the

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difference between uh,

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oh, yeah. Yeah, of course. Of
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Well, this way it is with
chickens. You can tell bulk

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distress versus just by a sound
Sure. Versus an egg is coming

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out distress and yeah, like, and
I hear distress. And I ran I ran

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out in this hole was standing on
top of the chicken. Oh, no. And

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the ending was just like a hawk
Hawk now Hakan can mess with

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you. This Hawk was about a foot
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dam and when pew pew this was a
special Hawk is a second this is

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cool. Hold on

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that's what I should have done.
I should have brought a bullet

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pellet rifle. And by the by the
backdoor. This chicken was so

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sad though. I mean, like, I saw
the Hawks standing on and you

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could look at his face. And it's
like, it's like it's over.

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It is and now you already struck
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I don't know what he did. But I
went out there and you know, and

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clap my hands and he flew off
and then the chicken get jumped

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up and ran under the deck. So
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Oh, man. Good to go. Chickens.
Dave Jones. Save your chickens

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everywhere.

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Yeah, our yard has evidently
become known as the most halt as

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the place to get cheap fresh.

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Like cafeteria.

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Good. Meat, meat and three.

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Well, I had a very I had a very
late night myself not fighting

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with with Hawks. I did learn a
lot about lnd last night.

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Yeah, I was such a douche. You.
You were clearly dealing with

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something and I just want the
best.

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So everyone went to bed. So let
me explain the product. Let me

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explain the problem. I'll tell
you what happened. Okay, okay.

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So all of a sudden podcast index
is not routing to my node at

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home. And that's kind of my
monitor, you know. So I have

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very like a 1% split of a lot of
different shows just so I can

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see the booster grams, etc. And
it's not routing anymore. Now I

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have channels I can key send
from the index to my note all of

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that works. And I'm just like,
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you know, I had three or four
channels, I had this mysterious

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channel for something called
Justin Trudeau, which has just

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been sitting there for a while
but has been sending SATs.

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Is it him? Is it actually I
don't know.

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But Justin Trudeau is node is
connected to a lot of podcasting

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2.0 stuff. And, and I have to be
honest, that the name really

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turned me off. So, yeah, so I'm
messing with all this. Alright,

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let me close these channels, let
me get rid of fucking Justin

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Trudeau stuff, well, then
nothing came through booths

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wouldn't come through. So
apparently, the Justin Trudeau

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channel had been providing me
with at least some booster grams

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for quite a while and the
podcast index channels were

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doing nothing. And then as I'm
looking around, I'm seeing that

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there's different channels
across the board. With, you

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know, some that we've open to
other nodes that have this

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similar problem. That's like,
Okay, let me see what's going

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on. So I really can't figure it
out. I do not know what's

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happening. Now, of course, I've
updated my Umbral, we've updated

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the podcast index node,
everyone's running on lnd 15.01,

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slash beta up your butt. Who
knows what that is? If all it

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could be anywhere at this point.
So I ping Graham, and this is

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now 930. Because okay, I'm just
not getting I'm not getting

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boosts. I'm not getting
streaming SATs, nothing.

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For those people that don't
know, Graham, he's He does, He

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doesn't sleep he's made of
metal. And in Vudu, I mean, he's

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so just like, at any time of the
night he in response,

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at 1115, he cut out. He's like,
man, I was up really late last

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night, I gotta hit the hair, I'm
gonna make mistakes. It's okay.

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It's alright. But we did figure
out a couple of things. And one

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is that my chant, none of my
channels were syncing to any, to

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any other channels. So my node
wasn't syncing to any other node

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through a channel. And it turns
out, there's a set number,

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channel sync peers, and that's
default is three. And

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apparently, our node had none.
So that was part of the problem,

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because, well,

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now I don't I don't understand
what what is the setting or

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configuration parameter do.

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So when you open it, so what you
have channels that are open, and

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the way that your node tells the
rest of the world, what channels

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you have open is by an update to
the graph. And the graph itself

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works through the peers. So when
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it selects three peers. I don't
know what criteria I'm sure that

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it has some. And it then syncs
your graph with that peer, and

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then that peer supposedly will
sync with, you know, so that's

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kind of how the graph gets out
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It's the it's the gossip is the
way it gossip, the gossip.

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Yes, thank you. Now, meanwhile,
I'm looking at the logs. And I'm

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trying to find out, why are
these sets not coming through.

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And this is a, this was very
educational for me, the way

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developers sometimes communicate
through logs,

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or lack thereof?

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Well, so I would get these error
messages consistently, which to

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me meant, okay, it's trying to
send me one sat or something.

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And it would say, can't can't re
forward, insufficient bandwidth

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to forward HPLC. So I kind of
understand the HPLC and

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forwarding that and that's no
way to decipher where it's

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trying to forward to. But
insufficient bandwidth is a

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weird term. So the first thing I
do is I'm like, oh, maybe my

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node popped on, on this on the
Starlink. And let me I'm looking

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at bandwidth, right? I'm like,
maybe Tor is under attack.

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Graham said that too. Now,
there's been some DDoS on Tor to

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maybe somehow my node came back
up and switch to the satellite

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network. And maybe that's the
problem. So it took me a good 45

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minutes before I was able to
find in some GitHub issue. No,

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no, this is just how we report
when there's not enough

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liquidity to get to wherever
suppose and forward considering

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payment fees, etc. Okay,

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tear this is a terrible, very
bad, terrible way to describe

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it. The word choice here is
typical, developer complete,

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garbage like condition that
should that term should never

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have been used for that
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but I can also see in building
the light and light Lightning

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Network and I can see Adam and
de fucking around building this

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and then we'll be like, Hey,
man, it's just like the old

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peering of bandwidth. You know,
let's, so we'll just we'll just

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look at it as bandwidth not as
value. You know, I don't know, I

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can see how that happened. But
down the road Young. Exactly, I

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would have said, this is a great
name, and then you would have

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gotten down and now let's not do
so. So. Okay, so basically, any

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channels that were created when
these peers were not syncing,

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never got synced to the graph,
and were acting kind of as just

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private channels, because no one
knew about them. And apparently,

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l&d does not go back later and
say, Hey, let me check and make

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sure that everyone's everyone's
communicated to the graph. So

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you know, it just took me a long
time to close and open channels

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and make sure that they were
showing up on em boss, and then

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we finally got to work. And as
you can hear, there's many

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pupils coming through. So. And
once again, I'm amazed that any

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of this shit works at all. Oh,

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is same. So you sent me this is
this is related in this. In

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terms of terminology. You had
sent me a document about

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lightning node Connect? Yeah,
maybe about a week ago or so a

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couple weeks ago. And had
written in my notes, we didn't

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talk about it at the time on the
last show, but I'd written in my

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notes, this, this type of
language in a spec is

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infuriating. And in a in, here's
the quote, this is from this,

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the spec for lightning node
Connect. Lightning node Connect

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is a protocol that allows a node
operator to safely and easily

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connect a web or mobile
application valency does not

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require the node to expose any
ports. Instead, the application

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and the node are connected
through a proxy server called

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the mailbox, the connection
between node and application are

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end to end encrypted. Okay. From
that wording, do you have any

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idea of what this thing? No, no,
I

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have no clue. I don't even
remember what I sent you. I know

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it was something that I liked.
But I don't think I read the

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specs or anything. I think I
just read like the marketing

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doc.

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This is the top line paragraph
graph of the intro.

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Why did I even send that to you?
Why did I send that to you?

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I mean, what's not? What's an
operator? What does that mean?

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Is that is that the you know, is
that me? Because I mean, is that

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a human being? Because I can't
connect to some mobile

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application? Was it allowing the
operator to connect? I don't

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know what this means. I don't
know. Developers should not

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write documentation. Or logs,

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yet. Seems like you're very good
at it. Yeah, well, I'm the

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exception. Well, speaking of, of
documentation, I'm very pleased

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that James Cridland heard the
call, took took up the challenge

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and started building the podcast
namespace.org.

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Very green. Now,

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he did exactly what I hoped
would be done is take take the

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whatever branding, make it your
own, you know, make sure it's

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all connected, you know, don't
try and make an island. And he

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seems to make it open if people
jump in. I don't know if he does

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he have collaborators yet if
people offered to help, because

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that's going to take some time
to fill all that out. Man,

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there's a lot of writing to be
done. And a lot of work.

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Let's go to edit this website,
which is a GitHub repository.

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And this website. Yeah, let's
see what the commits are. Every

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single commit is James Kirtland.
So nobody is helping with this

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web site.

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That's, that's not cool people.
James Shea.

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But But James, this has about
5000 commits here. So he's, he's

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Holy crap. He's doing he's he's
doing the Lord's work. That's

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for sure. Yeah. What's it is
James created, there's

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github.com/james Cridland slash
podcast. namespace.org. If

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anybody wants to go and pitch
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like, you can just go to
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then you can click on the edit
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left. Oh, I

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see what you're saying. Okay.

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And that will take you to the
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like this a lot. I like it a
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Can you tell me this party?
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morning that as part of trying
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stuff like that for these tags.
He's trying to find, as is, you

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know, based on the news today,
obvious why. He's trying to find

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examples of transcript
transcripts on various apps and

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how in screenshots and demo
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addict does too Transcripts
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did.

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I think I have it. I think I
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is it it's showing transcript in
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site, but he said he couldn't
you he, he couldn't get it to

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work and I don't have an Android
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I do have an Android phone. Let
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test one with episodes. We test
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show notes. Okay, hold on a
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Unnecessary devices. Now let me
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something Okay. Here's something
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about with with James. He
doesn't have transcripts in his

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own shows.

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No, I thought he did. I think
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way. And now I'm pretty sure pod
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so. I've seen them I've just
don't they come out of

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No, you gotta do it. I think
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hold on.

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While you're looking at the feed
while I'm like I'm not gonna

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argue with that. If you're
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gonna

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Well, I'm I'm opening it right
now. Looking at the guy yeah,

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you live white man speak with
forked tongue. Let me see.

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Oh, here it is. Okay, we're both
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have any transcripts up until up
until the last two episodes are

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the first ones that have
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first 90 episodes did not have
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me say something about
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there was a lawsuit against I
think Sirius XM, who own where

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they own Sirius podcast, one XM,
whatever, they have

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Pandora building on Pandora.

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Right? But they have, they have
a podcast, what they buy that

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pod bean, they bought something.
Anyway, so that egg, they got a

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lot of shows high end talent,
etc. So someone and I happen to

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know a lot about this. I know a
lot about the American with

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Disabilities Act, I know all the
ins and outs dealt with it in

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many different versions, my wife
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positive, because the bottom
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the Americans with Disabilities
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it is something that is a public
good. So in the case of the

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Ronald McDonald, house,
charities were Tina worked.

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Whenever they did a video on
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not just a captions or
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captions, they also had to have,
you know, a secondary track that

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says man enters the room with a
blue manager's room with a blue

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sweater on, you know, that kind
of stuff. Because that is a

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public good that people, the
public need to be able to find

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out about to make use of this
facility, even though it's

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private. It's a private
nonprofit. Okay. Now, for

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entertainment shows, I do not
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Personally, I don't see why not.
Um, let's just put that upfront,

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it makes no sense. It's super
easy. There's tons of places you

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can get it, it makes no sense to
just integrate that it really,

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it's crazy not to do that.
However, I do not believe any

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company should be forced,
certainly not. And I think

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James's words were big
commercial companies should be

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forced to do anything. You know,
if it's under the guidelines of

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a public thing, you know, then
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it's not just, you're a big
commercial company. In fact, I

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really despise that. Because the
next thing that's going to come

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down the pike is even though he
jokingly does it, if you're a

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commercial podcast every single
time you mentioned someone who

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sponsors you, you have to say
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That's what this leads to. So
I'm not a fan of mandating that

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just because, you know, just,
you know what I mean? I think

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the law is fair, when it's a
public good. We need the same

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like we need wheelchair ramps
and different bathroom

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facilities. I'm okay with all
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that's been argued and that's
been you know, there's laws

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about that, but not just because
you're big and commercial.

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No, I I'd say I think I think I
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because you're big and
commercial angle to that I think

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the plant The playing field has
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mean, otherwise, you run into a
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like was in the US for that I'm
sure a lot of other countries

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for a long time, you had this,
you had Amazon that enjoyed a

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note, a no state tax, you know,
lifestyle where they didn't have

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to pay state taxes, therefore,
there was always an advantage to

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ordering Amazon versus shopping
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local store had to pay you had
to pay local city and still in

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state taxes when Amazon did not.
And so it was just basically a

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huge unfair advantage. Propping
up of a big corporation. I mean,

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in well, we saw the same thing
during the pandemic. Yeah, the

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local mom and pop shops got shut
down, you know, in droves. And

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the only the only stores that
could stay open were Amazon.

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Amazon, Walmart. Right?

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Right. Yeah, sure. Sure.

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Yeah, oh, there just has to be
there has to be balance in the

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way the law is applied.
Otherwise, you end up with with

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it, otherwise, you end up with
favoritism in one direction or

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the other, you know, the big
companies should not be unfairly

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punished themselves. Small
companies should not be unfairly

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punished. They shouldn't.
Everybody should be equal under

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the law. I don't. I think the
problem here though, and then

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having to figure that out is
what qualifies, I guess what

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qualifies as a public? As a
public good, because we can, we

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can see this, this is what this
is what case law becomes what it

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becomes? Because Absolutely,
when you when you first

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published something like, you
know, when you when you put in

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an amendment to the to the US
Constitution, about interstate

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commerce, or, you know, equal
protection, will they go in

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meaning one set of things will
then eventually they always

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become, you can morph lots of
things to fit the definition of

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that other of that original
meaning sure, in the like, I'm

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not sure that there's a clear,
public good seems, seems vague

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enough to be able to apply a lot
of a lot of stuff to it. I

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prefer, like, you know, I mean,
maybe it's just my libertarian

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tendencies here. But I prefer
the idea of let letting you

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could call it the marketplace,
but I don't, I don't really like

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that term in this in this
scenario, you could let pressure

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be applied by by people who have
an interest in so I mean, you

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know, the lawsuit is one thing,
but then also, boycotts are long

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standing, you know, unions
cropped up for this reason, in

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the day, like that society will
self correct a lot of things

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without have without needing the
hand of government do it. And

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you know, and I understand that,
you know, there's always going

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to be counter arguments to this,
I don't really want to get

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involved in that. But, but you
can see, society shifts in lots

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of ways over time, that did not
depend on the government to do

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things sometimes in spite of the
government trying to do it. Look

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at a look at marijuana
legalization that never came

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from government that purely came
in it was it was ripped from the

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hands of government by by
society. And, and the public

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said, we're not going to handle
it, we're not going to take this

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anymore. We want this thing to
change, and it's going to change

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in

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it. And that's how we wind up
with 87,000 More IRS agents

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because we're so against it. I
have definitions for you. Okay,

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although none of this was
written with any online media in

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mind. And most of it only
applies to video not even to

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podcasts. I don't think audio
has, as has been addressed

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specifically in any of the law.
Captioning or transcripts are

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required for public entities,
including state and local

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governments of both internal and
external communications, and

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places of public accommodations,
which are public or private

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businesses used by the public at
large, private clubs and

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religious organizations are
exempt. So there's still a lot

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of wiggle room in there

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in public or private businesses
used by the society at large. I

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mean, that that could be easily
be a podcast app. Yeah,

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yeah. Yeah. Okay. But But bottom
line is we I think what you said

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is it these companies who don't
do it, when they easily can, I

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mean, certainly we have it, we
have it on this show. They

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should just be shamed. I don't
have to penalize them. I don't

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give a shit about that. I don't
want that I I despise that part

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the most.

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I think people do not
appreciate. I think many people

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do not appreciate the power of,
of the public. Social wave OMA,

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I don't really know what term to
us.

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Oh, no, no, no, no, they care,
but only when it's about a

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celebrity or something else.
They do not get you're gonna

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trust me on this. Yeah. This has
been going on for a long time.

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There's not enough people who
care to make noise about this.

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They don't care. Do you hear
that? Deaf people? People don't

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care. People don't care about
you. And I can't believe I said

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that. Do you hear that deaf
people

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will never be invited on to the
Deaf podcast.

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Yes, I will. They love me. They
love me. Deaf and Blind.

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podcasters love me, man.

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They're just getting to this
part of the Braille so

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not Braille.

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or what have you. How does that
even work? If you're actually

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deaf? You got to have something
you can't listen to a

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podcast. That's why you need a
transcript. Oh, because you

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still got eyeballs? Yeah, yeah,

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exactly. That's it's I would say
it's more for people who are

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hard of hearing but we have so
many foreign listeners who love

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it. It's like oh, you know, I
miss some stuff and I can read

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along and it's it kind of helps.
And I grew up in a country that

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had subtitles so it's second
nature for me and I see only

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benefit

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the beautiful The beautiful
thing about podcast transcripts

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too is that like what I was just
saying about taking time to

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catch up like it is on
television or or actual Braille

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if you have to read Braille
because I evidently don't know

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the difference between blind
people and deaf people sorry the

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there's a reason for that by the
way is a completely free from

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this week but the you know
podcast transcripts every every

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example of a podcast app I've
seen there that does transcripts

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they're like immediate man there
Johnny on the spot. It's

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tracking really good. Yeah. With
the spoken word. Yeah. No delay

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like there is with closed can
own broadcast television.

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Now well, that's real time
stuff. And yeah. Okay, what else

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was I going to say here?

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Well, I get the the idea about
what I totally lost my note

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here. Oh, I've got I brought
some some clips. I had a in

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this. This may also work into
this week. If you think of it

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anytime we need to stop and
bring our guests and just

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Yeah, after you. Let's do some
clips and we'll bring our guests

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and I think would be
appropriate.

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Maybe we should bring together a
guest in first and do clips with

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the Are you sure but the guest

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Yeah, she commands a lot of
attention.

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I'm 100% in favor of this.

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Ladies and gentlemen, please
welcome to the podcasting 2.0

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boardroom one of the first video
value for value podcasters Hey,

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it's alright Brian of London I
know three speak was probably

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before would also dame of the no
agenda roundtable. And friend

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please welcome Dane Jennifer.

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Hey, guys.

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Hey. Yeah, we got a full on Hey,
guys night. Yeah,

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I was wondering if I should do
the NPR. Hi. Well, I

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was I was that would have been
actually let's let's re intro

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you. I wanted to just so people
know who named Jennifer is she's

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been around since almost the
beginning of this show as well

442
00:28:40,500 --> 00:28:42,720
with her perfect jingles. Now

443
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,530
it's time for some hot namespace
talk.

444
00:28:48,540 --> 00:28:52,680
Which we subsequently banned for
a while because we felt you

445
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:57,180
know, there was like no women on
the show ever broke that rule.

446
00:28:57,210 --> 00:29:01,320
But yeah, we fix it. Yes. We
fixed it. Yeah, your

447
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,150
ESG score is up by one. Yes.

448
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:05,460
The token woman.

449
00:29:06,510 --> 00:29:09,990
Yeah, sorry. I'm white and sis
and hetero. So I don't

450
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,510
know. Yeah. Well, welcome to The
Club. Yeah. But you're female.

451
00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:18,720
So you have woman point? Yeah,
exactly. Get some point. We get

452
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,980
some points for that. You know,
and I was talking with with Tina

453
00:29:22,980 --> 00:29:29,430
last night. And it was kind of
like, what to what exactly does

454
00:29:29,670 --> 00:29:33,480
Dame Jennifer do? You know,
because you have all these

455
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,590
talents. You organize? Regular
meetups, you organize meetups

456
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:41,370
for no agenda. You've organized
I think you do Bitcoin meetups.

457
00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:51,270
You clearly the queen of
Charleston. You know you took

458
00:29:51,270 --> 00:29:53,970
such good care of us when we
were there and everybody knows

459
00:29:53,970 --> 00:29:59,970
you as like, oh Jennifer. And
and you know you're you're it's

460
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,950
It's fascinating, smart person.
And I like Thank you. What does

461
00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:12,390
she do? Other than other than
jingles other than videos? You

462
00:30:12,390 --> 00:30:15,960
know, this animated no agenda
is, I mean, you're the first

463
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,410
ever saw using this tool. And I
mean, you've been you've I don't

464
00:30:19,410 --> 00:30:22,440
know how many you've produced so
far, but it's unbelievable. It's

465
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:27,120
been unbelievable for the show.
You know, you do corporate

466
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,630
voiceovers, I think you do
marketing, you know. And now, do

467
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:33,660
you just have a trust fund and
you hang out with people or do

468
00:30:33,660 --> 00:30:34,620
you have a job?

469
00:30:35,010 --> 00:30:39,630
Yeah, according to you that I
have an island off the coast of?

470
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:43,230
Yeah, exactly. Yes. You have
that island. And then you just

471
00:30:43,230 --> 00:30:45,750
come inland for a bit to hang
out with the plebs?

472
00:30:46,050 --> 00:30:53,790
No, I, I have been. I was well
married. And my neck will

473
00:30:53,790 --> 00:30:54,480
marry well.

474
00:30:55,290 --> 00:30:57,630
We were all well married her.
Yeah.

475
00:30:57,780 --> 00:31:01,680
Unfortunately, that has ended.
And so is that

476
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,590
the scent now? Is that the same
for roses? Is that the same as

477
00:31:04,590 --> 00:31:07,260
what they used to be called a
kept woman? Were you a kept

478
00:31:07,260 --> 00:31:07,740
woman?

479
00:31:08,460 --> 00:31:09,810
No, I just

480
00:31:10,620 --> 00:31:12,840
know, because I knew you before
the divorce.

481
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:20,940
Yeah, I wasn't I mean, working?
Yeah, he, he owned a small IT

482
00:31:20,940 --> 00:31:22,200
services company

483
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:25,650
on this island? Yeah, of course.
This was when we

484
00:31:25,650 --> 00:31:30,570
were in, in Chicago. And so I, I
kind of started working in the

485
00:31:30,570 --> 00:31:32,940
business. And then I would just
pick up I became kind of a Girl

486
00:31:32,940 --> 00:31:37,260
Friday. So these small,
whatever.

487
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,170
Now it makes so much sense.
Okay,

488
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,180
I don't know what this term
mean. Can you explain to me

489
00:31:42,180 --> 00:31:43,050
girlfriend, let

490
00:31:43,050 --> 00:31:45,690
me let me try. And let's see if
that matches up with Jennifer.

491
00:31:45,690 --> 00:31:49,140
Because I've hired many girl and
boy Fridays, these are this

492
00:31:49,140 --> 00:31:53,310
makes so much sense. In a
company, typically someone who

493
00:31:53,310 --> 00:31:57,540
was in early at the formation at
the startup, you know, employee

494
00:31:57,540 --> 00:32:01,710
number two or number three. And
this is just a person who may be

495
00:32:01,710 --> 00:32:08,520
applied initially, to be to,
like office management or

496
00:32:08,550 --> 00:32:13,230
whatever. And they turn out to
be so skilled in so like from

497
00:32:13,230 --> 00:32:17,460
software integration packages to
you name it, all kinds of stuff.

498
00:32:17,700 --> 00:32:21,900
And so it's kind of like this
person is in every meeting. And

499
00:32:21,900 --> 00:32:24,810
it's when no one knows what the
fuck to do is like, Hey, do you

500
00:32:24,810 --> 00:32:28,260
know how to do it? Don't worry,
I'm I'll figure it out. Does

501
00:32:28,260 --> 00:32:30,120
that kind of match?

502
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,930
Ah, absolutely. If there were,
if there was something that, you

503
00:32:33,930 --> 00:32:37,020
know, the client would throw up
against the wall, and if it

504
00:32:37,020 --> 00:32:42,600
sounded interesting, I'd figure
it out. So yeah, so I do have

505
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:46,230
some marketing and yeah, of
course, the voiceover but I also

506
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:50,970
did, like, I've got certified as
a Microsoft, Small Business

507
00:32:50,970 --> 00:32:51,960
Server Administrator.

508
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:55,980
All Over the Map.

509
00:32:57,420 --> 00:33:01,020
I wasn't I wasn't meeting
planner for a long time. Did a

510
00:33:01,020 --> 00:33:04,740
huge conference of 7000 people
in New Orleans. Yeah, like so.

511
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:09,150
Girl Friday, it just seems to
kind of be the best. So that's

512
00:33:09,150 --> 00:33:11,280
why I'm not surprised that
people don't know what I do.

513
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,720
Because, you know, it's kind of
Jack or Jill of all trades. And,

514
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,500
and I hate saying that. It does
sound cheesy, but no, it just

515
00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:20,700
fits what yeah,

516
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:26,130
it just clicked for me like oh,
okay, totally makes sense. Well,

517
00:33:26,130 --> 00:33:31,710
yeah. So we're even perhaps even
more appreciative of of the time

518
00:33:31,710 --> 00:33:34,890
talent and treasure that you put
in of which it's all three

519
00:33:35,370 --> 00:33:37,950
because you actually charge
actual money for the stuff that

520
00:33:37,950 --> 00:33:43,500
you're doing for us Yeah, you're
not just hanging out doing a

521
00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:47,280
little bit of podcasting and by
the way, the animated no agenda

522
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,060
I mean, that's those are serious
productions. It's that's not

523
00:33:51,270 --> 00:33:53,310
just something you throw
together how long does it take

524
00:33:53,310 --> 00:33:56,550
you to do each minute worth of
work if you can calculate it

525
00:33:56,550 --> 00:33:57,000
that way?

526
00:33:57,060 --> 00:34:02,190
I I'm down to not including
listening to every episode twice

527
00:34:03,540 --> 00:34:06,690
to three hours per minute. Well,
you know, you have to listen

528
00:34:06,690 --> 00:34:13,890
twice and then you know, but
there were there was a few

529
00:34:13,890 --> 00:34:17,100
months where there was just
nothing funny because I like to

530
00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:17,370
bring

531
00:34:18,450 --> 00:34:21,060
OH, OH

532
00:34:28,350 --> 00:34:32,700
That came out wrong. It was not
funny because the humor was in

533
00:34:32,730 --> 00:34:33,150
like,

534
00:34:33,540 --> 00:34:35,040
Hold on. Hold on a second.

535
00:34:36,090 --> 00:34:39,270
Let me dig in the grave.

536
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:45,510
Nevermind. I was going through a
divorce and my boyfriend broke

537
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:46,680
up with me. Come on, you guys.

538
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:51,240
That's what wasn't funny. Was
was not funny at all.

539
00:34:53,369 --> 00:34:57,299
No, there were just things were
so bleak that I think even the

540
00:34:57,299 --> 00:35:01,199
small bits of humor. It was just
It was really hard for me to do.

541
00:35:01,199 --> 00:35:04,169
But I've gotten it down to about
about three hours per minute

542
00:35:04,199 --> 00:35:08,939
what now that I kind of, yeah,
but they're only three minutes

543
00:35:08,939 --> 00:35:14,639
long, three and a half hours at
work. Yeah, but there's a sweet

544
00:35:14,639 --> 00:35:18,629
spot because we, you know, you
can see when people drop off,

545
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:22,769
and we can hold them until
almost the three minute mark,

546
00:35:22,769 --> 00:35:26,819
which I think is pretty good.
Yeah. And so I don't I, you

547
00:35:26,819 --> 00:35:30,089
know, I enjoy doing the longer
ones. But if you're going to

548
00:35:30,089 --> 00:35:32,549
lose them at three minutes, you
know, don't leave the punch line

549
00:35:32,549 --> 00:35:33,569
to the end. So

550
00:35:34,650 --> 00:35:37,770
yeah, you learned you learned a
lot about doing video for sure.

551
00:35:38,100 --> 00:35:41,940
Yeah, it's been really fun. And
my third anniversary is your

552
00:35:41,940 --> 00:35:43,110
50th anniversary.

553
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,100
Oh, man. Is that when you did
the first one? Yeah, it

554
00:35:47,100 --> 00:35:51,030
was for the for the 12th
anniversary because I was short

555
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:53,820
on cash flow at the time. And I
thought, well, I can't

556
00:35:53,820 --> 00:35:56,670
contribute treasure. I'm trying
to learn this to me Girl Friday,

557
00:35:56,850 --> 00:36:00,870
trying to learn this tool for a
client. And it suggested

558
00:36:01,020 --> 00:36:04,350
starting with an audio clip that
was already produced and my

559
00:36:04,350 --> 00:36:07,230
client didn't have our script
ready for what she wanted me to

560
00:36:07,230 --> 00:36:14,220
work on. So Sharpton had just
said, gurgles Kurt you Yeah,

561
00:36:14,220 --> 00:36:17,250
instead of and I'm gonna say it
wrong instead of Gamble's

562
00:36:19,050 --> 00:36:22,530
girdles. And it was like the
funniest thing I've ever heard.

563
00:36:22,530 --> 00:36:24,930
And I, you know, got together

564
00:36:24,930 --> 00:36:29,760
and showed that to your client.
That's not funny,

565
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,320
but I also I sent it to you guys
for you know, like a happy

566
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,560
anniversary. Didn't put it on
YouTube or anything. And then

567
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,350
the views started to go up and I
went What the heck happened? And

568
00:36:40,350 --> 00:36:42,180
I saw that. Adam, you had
tweeted it.

569
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:47,700
Oh, wow. Here we go. Have you
turned that into a business? Was

570
00:36:47,700 --> 00:36:51,420
that? Is that part of your
business now? animations and

571
00:36:51,420 --> 00:36:51,780
things?

572
00:36:52,020 --> 00:36:55,920
No, it's just a hobby. I did. I
did. Okay, I've done like three

573
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,090
other very small projects for
people. But they were friends.

574
00:37:00,210 --> 00:37:00,870
So

575
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:06,360
well. It's the shit blows me
away every single time. It

576
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,200
really does. Yeah, no, it does.
Tina and I the one thing what

577
00:37:10,290 --> 00:37:15,090
does a new AMA? Oh, man, because
that's something we get? Because

578
00:37:15,090 --> 00:37:18,180
that's new. I don't know what's
going to come and pray and you

579
00:37:18,180 --> 00:37:21,900
edit these things. You edit out
all the non funny things. In

580
00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:25,170
fact, you could have edited out
several months worth of non

581
00:37:25,170 --> 00:37:26,700
funny things.

582
00:37:28,020 --> 00:37:29,010
I can't believe

583
00:37:30,690 --> 00:37:32,550
you have no idea how red my
face?

584
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,320
Come on. Jennifer, we're
friends. Yeah, you can do

585
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:43,410
anything. You know, the minute I
mean, actually very early on,

586
00:37:43,410 --> 00:37:47,010
you got this up and running on
no agenda tube and you got the

587
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:52,140
value for value running. Take us
through how that came about and

588
00:37:52,170 --> 00:37:54,570
and the steps that you went
through? And just what was your

589
00:37:54,570 --> 00:37:59,820
experience as someone who
clearly configure stuff out. But

590
00:37:59,820 --> 00:38:01,560
this was new as a so Yang,

591
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,510
and you're also one of the first
very few people were using value

592
00:38:06,510 --> 00:38:10,800
for value with video. So this is
yeah, this is instructed except

593
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,350
for three speak, which of course
was there before?

594
00:38:14,190 --> 00:38:18,030
I keep forgetting? Yes. Okay.
He's going to the hive Dao and

595
00:38:18,030 --> 00:38:20,400
Brian of London are going to,
they're going to take away our

596
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:21,330
donations now.

597
00:38:26,670 --> 00:38:30,450
I don't remember the chicken and
egg story. And Alex gates may

598
00:38:30,450 --> 00:38:34,950
remember better than I do. But
when he created no agenda tube,

599
00:38:35,310 --> 00:38:38,670
I immediately went there.
Because I had started getting a

600
00:38:38,670 --> 00:38:40,260
couple of takedowns on YouTube.

601
00:38:41,340 --> 00:38:45,390
What will you do? And oh, this
was animated. No agenda. Yeah.

602
00:38:46,170 --> 00:38:49,200
And you know, why don't you know
why got taken down? We were

603
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:54,120
telling the truth. That wasn't
funny. It was not funny. But

604
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,810
these guys are not funny. Just
kidding. Yeah. No, your answer

605
00:38:57,810 --> 00:39:01,170
was correct. Because never gonna
live that out. I'll stop. I'll

606
00:39:01,170 --> 00:39:03,510
stop now. Stop. No, you're
right, because we tell the

607
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:07,110
truth. But it also what you
edited is always funny. It's

608
00:39:07,110 --> 00:39:07,920
always funny.

609
00:39:08,370 --> 00:39:10,710
Well, that's the that's the
goal. Otherwise,

610
00:39:11,550 --> 00:39:13,830
why bother? Yeah, yeah. Because
the

611
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,370
you're I'm trying to bring
people to the show. And humor, I

612
00:39:17,370 --> 00:39:23,670
think is the best way to attract
people. And so Alex was working

613
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:29,490
on no agenda tube. And either he
started to think about doing his

614
00:39:29,490 --> 00:39:36,000
own fork of it was based on peer
tube, listening to you. Why, you

615
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,730
know, pick things up. I'm a
little bit of a.

616
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,330
So you have a GitHub login.

617
00:39:42,990 --> 00:39:47,400
I just realized I ended up I
used to, and then I just got

618
00:39:48,690 --> 00:39:54,840
because of the you know, the
upcoming a hackathon. But um, so

619
00:39:55,410 --> 00:40:01,470
he he did a ton of work on his
fork too. Make it podcasting 2.0

620
00:40:01,470 --> 00:40:04,770
compatible and every once awhile
he would reach out and you know,

621
00:40:04,860 --> 00:40:07,230
tell me to do something or
something had changed and you

622
00:40:07,230 --> 00:40:11,790
know, Can I check it out and so
anytime I would post on I call

623
00:40:11,790 --> 00:40:18,600
it YouTube then I would also put
it on a no agenda tube and then

624
00:40:18,750 --> 00:40:22,920
so first to support video I
think was pod brand and or curio

625
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,940
caster I don't remember who was
first of those. And then I think

626
00:40:26,940 --> 00:40:31,560
the only one other one is pod
verse, right that supports video

627
00:40:32,190 --> 00:40:33,780
of the new apps you pod

628
00:40:33,780 --> 00:40:34,650
verse does

629
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:39,090
your pod verse, pod friend
cheerio caster? Fountain.

630
00:40:40,350 --> 00:40:43,740
Right. And that's what's weird.
I get fountain SATs every once

631
00:40:43,740 --> 00:40:45,570
in a while and I'm like, What
are you people doing?

632
00:40:48,810 --> 00:40:52,800
Yeah, so that's interesting. I
guess the audio works. Just

633
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,910
listening to Hey, listen a lot.

634
00:40:59,940 --> 00:41:03,030
So Alex, just shout to you.
Because Oh, because you will be

635
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:07,230
uploading stuff on on no agenda
tube got it. Okay, cool. Yeah,

636
00:41:07,260 --> 00:41:09,720
yeah. I just love seeing how
these things come together. You

637
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:13,140
know, this is such a interesting
community. Yeah,

638
00:41:13,140 --> 00:41:17,190
I think I mean, he he gets 100%
of the credit of really, I, you

639
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:21,540
know, I'm sure that at some
point, I asked him, because I'm

640
00:41:21,540 --> 00:41:23,640
kind of annoying in that way.
Like, hey, you know, there,

641
00:41:23,700 --> 00:41:27,360
you're talking about XYZ on
podcasting. 2.0, can we have

642
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:32,490
that, but it was probably
already on his roadmap. He

643
00:41:32,490 --> 00:41:35,520
always seemed to kind of already
have things in mind. So

644
00:41:36,660 --> 00:41:39,720
Alex was born with a plan in
every day of his life is just

645
00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:44,580
working the plan. That's the way
it goes much. I'm only a little

646
00:41:44,580 --> 00:41:45,060
bit kidding.

647
00:41:47,700 --> 00:41:50,400
Yeah, so that's kind of the
history I you know, I would love

648
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,600
to see a more apps support it.
But I know that it's a

649
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,800
completely different codec. And
you have to deal with all of the

650
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,580
different, you know, resolutions
and bandwidth and all that

651
00:42:02,580 --> 00:42:04,770
stuff. So I know, it's not an
easy problem

652
00:42:04,830 --> 00:42:08,730
for the long term. Alternate
enclosure will help that. But

653
00:42:08,730 --> 00:42:13,170
that's like, Yeah, I think of
any, like, of any of the tags or

654
00:42:13,170 --> 00:42:17,280
any of the future, you know,
forward looking things. I really

655
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,890
think alternate enclosure is
probably the one that is the

656
00:42:19,890 --> 00:42:24,780
most far in the future, because
it's going to just I think it's

657
00:42:24,780 --> 00:42:27,270
quite it's complex, because they
know you're dealing with

658
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:29,130
different, like you said,
different codecs and things like

659
00:42:29,130 --> 00:42:32,280
that. And that's people, even
developers don't want to deal

660
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,070
with that stuff. Exactly what
they want. They want to just

661
00:42:35,070 --> 00:42:40,590
roll up in there with an mp3 and
be done in lunch. So yeah, yeah.

662
00:42:40,890 --> 00:42:41,490
I mean, one day,

663
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,900
one day, I was surprised that I
was surprised to learn, I would

664
00:42:45,900 --> 00:42:50,670
say that the pod pod versus the
player they're using for the for

665
00:42:50,670 --> 00:42:53,970
their app that it somehow is not
appropriate to do per minute

666
00:42:53,970 --> 00:42:56,700
streaming SATs, which is a
shame. I know. They'll get to

667
00:42:56,700 --> 00:43:01,230
it. I didn't realize. I wonder
what that what that person when

668
00:43:01,230 --> 00:43:05,490
would that problem is, anyway,
not a big deal. I'm amazed any

669
00:43:05,490 --> 00:43:06,960
of this crap work is so cool.

670
00:43:07,770 --> 00:43:11,550
So would it be? Would it be fair
to say that, would it be fair to

671
00:43:11,550 --> 00:43:13,800
describe your job as your
consultant?

672
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:18,810
Yeah, I mean, that's kind of
that's what I call myself on

673
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:22,680
unlike LinkedIn, and I need new
business cards, because right

674
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,440
now they're, they're like, so
cringe, because I've had them

675
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,920
for 10 years. And they
essentially say Jack of all

676
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:29,310
trades.

677
00:43:29,340 --> 00:43:33,630
Yeah. Well, here's your business
card. Okay. If you if you have a

678
00:43:33,630 --> 00:43:37,080
company and you want to be
successful, hire this woman.

679
00:43:37,620 --> 00:43:40,830
There we go. I like it. That's
your business card right there.

680
00:43:40,860 --> 00:43:46,620
I look, you've done so much for
me personally for the show. And

681
00:43:46,620 --> 00:43:51,150
then the minute we were talking
about hackathon for podcasting

682
00:43:51,150 --> 00:43:54,000
2.0 who raises their hand

683
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:55,740
me Yes.

684
00:43:57,570 --> 00:43:59,280
developer, you clearly

685
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,240
have the Bona fie days is how
you say that word bonus, or is

686
00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:03,750
it bonafide

687
00:44:04,740 --> 00:44:07,860
bonus depends on if you're from
Alabama, it's bonafide.

688
00:44:09,150 --> 00:44:13,680
Well, you You clearly have the
bona fides and then so Speak for

689
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:14,730
yourself South Carolina.

690
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,630
Now, sorry, you

691
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:23,640
know, you've clearly got you
know, got the skills to to

692
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:28,380
consult on this topic. So what
what, what do you what are your

693
00:44:28,380 --> 00:44:29,520
out of the gate salts?

694
00:44:30,510 --> 00:44:34,140
Um, well, I I talked to a good
friend of mine who is an

695
00:44:34,140 --> 00:44:37,710
entrepreneur, but also a
developer and he has started a

696
00:44:37,710 --> 00:44:42,600
few companies and been
successful. And so I said, Can

697
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,310
you look at that he's aware of,
okay,

698
00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:48,450
so those are the things that see
the you were like, you're like

699
00:44:48,450 --> 00:44:53,250
developer, I'm like, check.
That's me. Entrepreneur. We

700
00:44:53,250 --> 00:44:56,340
started Potkins a process index
check. That's me. And then you

701
00:44:56,340 --> 00:45:04,230
said successful and I was like,
that's where that's where So I

702
00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:06,750
have a pen and paper by the way,
I'm writing these down because

703
00:45:06,750 --> 00:45:10,170
this is your consultant. So we
this is the session, this is the

704
00:45:10,170 --> 00:45:10,890
session. This is

705
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,110
this is just the first meeting,
you know, we're gonna have to

706
00:45:13,110 --> 00:45:15,090
have multiple them. But

707
00:45:16,049 --> 00:45:23,729
what, what? Thank you. Meetings?
No, I got into podcasting to

708
00:45:23,729 --> 00:45:24,569
avoid that.

709
00:45:24,990 --> 00:45:26,880
Screw this hackathon. This is
already about

710
00:45:27,150 --> 00:45:29,760
me. Now. This is my, this is my
weekly mean, it's the one

711
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:30,480
meeting I need.

712
00:45:30,990 --> 00:45:35,130
No, you know, we can I can do
this all in writing to, not to

713
00:45:35,130 --> 00:45:38,910
worry. But that one of the first
things that he pointed out

714
00:45:38,910 --> 00:45:41,520
because he's aware of what
podcasting 2.0 is, but he'd

715
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,240
never looked at the code or
anything. So I sent him to the

716
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:49,620
GitHub, I sent him to the API
documentation. And he was like,

717
00:45:49,650 --> 00:45:55,680
first things first, where is the
high level flowchart? And I

718
00:45:55,680 --> 00:46:02,340
won't, I'll, I'll bring it up.
And I assume that I will be on

719
00:46:02,340 --> 00:46:06,000
me to create, which is fine. I
don't, I don't mind it'll help

720
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:06,330
me

721
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:11,580
to create the high level
flowchart of podcasting. 2.00 my

722
00:46:11,580 --> 00:46:15,180
god, that would be that would be
astounding. Create the

723
00:46:15,180 --> 00:46:18,510
high level flowchart and then do
a pull request on James's

724
00:46:18,540 --> 00:46:23,490
podcast. namespace.org. You go,
I mean, then you've earned every

725
00:46:23,490 --> 00:46:24,780
bit of the zero money that

726
00:46:26,100 --> 00:46:28,410
Hey, she's in the split today,
we're gonna give her a healthy

727
00:46:28,410 --> 00:46:33,180
split. Okay. Okay. Yeah, so
boost boost for Dame Jennifer

728
00:46:33,180 --> 00:46:33,750
boost,

729
00:46:33,779 --> 00:46:37,649
if please. Because, you know, if
we're, if we're trying to

730
00:46:37,649 --> 00:46:43,799
encourage developers who are
either just involved in Bitcoin,

731
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:47,609
but have not listened to any of
these shows, or are just

732
00:46:48,179 --> 00:46:50,789
interested in podcasting, but
I've never listened to your

733
00:46:50,789 --> 00:46:53,939
show, because the only way that
I've ever learned anything about

734
00:46:53,939 --> 00:46:58,529
what you're doing is via the
Show podcast, and we can't

735
00:46:58,529 --> 00:47:01,649
expect somebody to go back and
listen to 97 episodes.

736
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:05,340
Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah.
Yeah.

737
00:47:05,370 --> 00:47:11,070
Oh, speak for yourself. I love
college level course.

738
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,250
Well, it is, if they have the
time, but I love what James

739
00:47:14,250 --> 00:47:17,490
Cridland is doing. I took a look
at it the first time that he

740
00:47:17,940 --> 00:47:23,640
posted about it on podcast,
index dot social. So I don't

741
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,460
know a couple days ago, I
haven't looked at it lately. So

742
00:47:26,460 --> 00:47:30,990
I'm going to use that. But I
also just kind of like the

743
00:47:30,990 --> 00:47:36,360
simplicity of your slide deck,
Dave, that you gave me that. I

744
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,890
sent you that right? Yeah. and
simplicity of that, too.

745
00:47:41,340 --> 00:47:45,330
Let me ask you the quick,
though, is, is this going to be

746
00:47:45,330 --> 00:47:48,060
a successful presentation with
this, we're using this slide

747
00:47:48,060 --> 00:47:48,480
deck.

748
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:55,050
I, I always like slides that are
clean, simple and

749
00:47:55,170 --> 00:47:59,250
understandable. And that is
exactly what you had. I loved

750
00:47:59,310 --> 00:48:03,030
how it looked. Now I am going to
want to listen to the recording.

751
00:48:03,570 --> 00:48:06,570
Just for my own understanding
because I'm going to start I'm

752
00:48:06,570 --> 00:48:09,120
going to have to field
questions. I'm guessing he's

753
00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:11,670
gonna say what's gonna happen.
I'm going to do my intro. I'm

754
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:15,600
going to do 13 minutes. I'm
gonna give Dave an extra two.

755
00:48:16,020 --> 00:48:19,020
And then Dave is going to start
going through the namespace. And

756
00:48:19,020 --> 00:48:23,670
he's and he's just gonna get to
block tag, which is number two,

757
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:24,960
and we're gonna be out of time.

758
00:48:26,910 --> 00:48:33,690
Bullshit. I'm going to have you
practice race. No, I'm not I'm

759
00:48:33,690 --> 00:48:38,220
winging this zero practice.
First time I do. I'll be the

760
00:48:38,220 --> 00:48:39,300
first time I practice.

761
00:48:39,930 --> 00:48:43,530
I'm a former corporate
conference planner. Clients were

762
00:48:43,530 --> 00:48:47,490
Arthur Andersen and Accenture
that that no rehearsal doesn't

763
00:48:47,490 --> 00:48:51,150
fly. So it's a good thing. I am
not your meeting planner at

764
00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:52,020
Podcast Movement.

765
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:58,620
So in my in my stint in my day,
job life, I do presentations on

766
00:48:58,620 --> 00:49:02,550
a fairly regular basis. Oh, so
this will be easy for you. Yeah.

767
00:49:02,550 --> 00:49:10,380
And so and it's all slide based.
And I have developed on the fly

768
00:49:10,380 --> 00:49:13,830
capabilities that most normal
humans do not have. So I have

769
00:49:13,830 --> 00:49:18,180
this in my bag of tricks that I
can speed up and slow down

770
00:49:18,180 --> 00:49:21,630
according to what is necessary
to get the job done. I have a

771
00:49:21,630 --> 00:49:24,900
complete half complete and
unjustified confidence in my own

772
00:49:24,900 --> 00:49:25,680
abilities to get this

773
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,110
No, I'm sure it is justified.
Are they going to have a

774
00:49:28,140 --> 00:49:29,460
countdown clock for you?

775
00:49:29,940 --> 00:49:30,750
I hope so.

776
00:49:33,060 --> 00:49:36,390
They better be No. I'm so
excited about our session. I'm a

777
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:41,250
little bummed now about new
media show was doing something

778
00:49:41,250 --> 00:49:45,690
live on stage. And and Greenlee
reached out to me hey, we're

779
00:49:45,690 --> 00:49:47,580
gonna have Caitlin would you
want to join him? Like yeah,

780
00:49:47,580 --> 00:49:49,560
that'd be kind of fun to have
James and meet together. But now

781
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:55,380
they've got like 18 people on
stage for 45 minutes like six

782
00:49:55,380 --> 00:49:59,730
literally six or 45 minutes like
that's that's not productive.

783
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,970
It's too much. I think it's too
much. Maybe I should bow out.

784
00:50:03,660 --> 00:50:07,350
Yeah, belly about gracefully.
You should demure.

785
00:50:09,210 --> 00:50:11,520
Alright, so back to the
hackathon. Yes.

786
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:19,320
So but beyond the flowchart that
the other concern that he had,

787
00:50:19,350 --> 00:50:23,700
was that it, because when he I
played him the clip when it

788
00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:30,150
first came up in July, and debut
proposed it and you said, no

789
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:32,310
rules just do something cool.

790
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,920
Yes, it sounds exactly. Right.
Yeah. And

791
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,550
Greg was like, no, no, no,
you're gonna need to tell these

792
00:50:41,550 --> 00:50:46,800
guys what they want. Meaning,
you know, you're gonna need to

793
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,820
be a little more specific. So I
had an idea and tell me what you

794
00:50:50,820 --> 00:50:53,160
think. So we've been talking
about pimps.

795
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,170
See, for a while this is.

796
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:58,500
Dave's notetaker?

797
00:50:59,430 --> 00:51:02,010
Wait. So we've been, you know,
this has been recorded. Dave,

798
00:51:02,010 --> 00:51:03,150
you can go back and listen.

799
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,050
You could just read the
transcript. There you go.

800
00:51:08,130 --> 00:51:11,400
There you go. So you've been
talking about pimps and I love

801
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:17,520
the idea of the pimp database.
So I wonder if there's not a way

802
00:51:21,660 --> 00:51:23,700
because a little black book now
it's just

803
00:51:24,930 --> 00:51:31,560
I know, right? So if, if we were
to kind of use the pin database.

804
00:51:31,830 --> 00:51:37,200
Sidenote, sounds ridiculous, as
kind of a trial of these are

805
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:42,510
some ideas that maybe you
developers should think about

806
00:51:42,510 --> 00:51:43,560
for the hackathon.

807
00:51:43,620 --> 00:51:46,980
Okay, so what you're saying, If
I can just try this, you're

808
00:51:46,980 --> 00:51:51,240
saying, you'd like to develop
whatever that means, the pimp

809
00:51:51,240 --> 00:51:55,470
database, we start feeding shit
in that becomes the base for the

810
00:51:55,470 --> 00:51:56,100
hackathon.

811
00:51:56,669 --> 00:52:01,199
I think so I think that we've
got to give these guys and say,

812
00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:05,699
guys, that really will be
primarily men, let's be honest.

813
00:52:05,879 --> 00:52:10,619
But we need to give them some
kind of structure, especially if

814
00:52:10,619 --> 00:52:16,259
they're coming at this
completely new. And, and if we

815
00:52:16,259 --> 00:52:21,539
can also, the other thing that I
feel like I need to communicate

816
00:52:21,539 --> 00:52:26,549
somehow, is, these are the apps
that are already utilizing the

817
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:28,949
namespace in these ways. And
that's what your slide deck was

818
00:52:28,949 --> 00:52:33,359
really helpful. Because you had
those screenshots of, you know,

819
00:52:33,419 --> 00:52:37,589
here's, here's chapters, and
here's a screenshot of a of an

820
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:43,529
app that's already using it. So
that's something I'm still kind

821
00:52:43,529 --> 00:52:48,329
of noodling through is, how do
we tell people there are things

822
00:52:48,329 --> 00:52:51,989
that they can look at to see how
their current implementation is?

823
00:52:52,109 --> 00:52:55,889
How could you improve upon it,
make it better do it

824
00:52:55,889 --> 00:52:58,799
differently, blah, blah, blah,
you know, it gets cool, quote,

825
00:52:58,799 --> 00:52:59,249
unquote.

826
00:52:59,910 --> 00:53:04,650
So okay, so the the slides, it
sounds like what can happen as a

827
00:53:04,650 --> 00:53:11,130
step one is that after the
flowchart is that, this the, the

828
00:53:11,130 --> 00:53:17,280
slide deck, post, talk, the, we
could try, we can post the talk,

829
00:53:17,790 --> 00:53:20,640
if possible, if this podcast
movement would give us

830
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:25,110
permission, we can post the
talk, and then and then and then

831
00:53:25,110 --> 00:53:31,860
post the slides, and then use
that as sort of a, like a, some

832
00:53:31,860 --> 00:53:35,670
guardrails and say, Okay, here's
the, here's the tags you have

833
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:39,300
available to you, and the
protocols you have available to

834
00:53:39,300 --> 00:53:44,010
you take these things, and, and
then get some inspiration from

835
00:53:44,010 --> 00:53:48,150
the talk. Right, and go and do
something along. You know,

836
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:52,260
that's, that's your that's your,
what do you want to say, that's

837
00:53:52,260 --> 00:53:55,500
your that's your set of
parameters is, is the things in

838
00:53:55,500 --> 00:53:57,540
the talk to get you to get the
juices flowing?

839
00:53:58,530 --> 00:54:02,520
Yeah, and then we have the pimps
that the community can

840
00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:07,530
contribute to have, you know,
these are things that I've, you

841
00:54:07,530 --> 00:54:12,510
know, seen lacking or would like
to see, or you know, that and I

842
00:54:12,510 --> 00:54:20,760
kind of see, amps may be coming
from listeners, and producers or

843
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,930
meeting podcasters more than
current developers, but I could

844
00:54:24,930 --> 00:54:26,790
be wrong, because, oh, no,

845
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:29,610
I think that's, that's
critically important that

846
00:54:29,610 --> 00:54:32,910
podcasters and listeners have
ideas that developers don't

847
00:54:32,910 --> 00:54:36,720
think of, and vice versa. It's
absolutely and I would say, we

848
00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:42,000
have to make sure that it's not
just, you know, new tat we don't

849
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,150
necessarily need new tags, but
here's all this stuff. Here's

850
00:54:45,150 --> 00:54:48,630
all this data, here's how it's
categorized. What can I do with

851
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:52,050
that? Right? To create make?

852
00:54:52,890 --> 00:54:56,550
Yeah, and you know, and there
are so many other I mean, I was

853
00:54:56,550 --> 00:55:01,440
also thinking well, what a
hosting company one it, can we

854
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:05,130
kind of have three different
buckets we could have, we want

855
00:55:05,130 --> 00:55:07,020
to do something cool. For a
listener, we want to do

856
00:55:07,020 --> 00:55:10,080
something cool for a podcaster.
We want to do something cool for

857
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,350
a hosting company. I'm not sure
how much the hosting companies

858
00:55:13,350 --> 00:55:19,050
need or want anything. But it
was just kind of the third

859
00:55:19,050 --> 00:55:21,420
audience that was a potential.

860
00:55:22,290 --> 00:55:24,330
They want stuff that I think
they definitely want stuff.

861
00:55:24,330 --> 00:55:27,450
Because what the one thing that
hosting companies really want to

862
00:55:27,450 --> 00:55:33,600
know, is what listeners want.
They they really want to know

863
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,590
that because they don't. I mean,
they get some feedback. But the

864
00:55:37,590 --> 00:55:41,280
feedback is, the feedback really
doesn't come from the listener,

865
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:46,320
the feedback always comes from
the the podcaster. You know, I

866
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:50,010
want to I want to get this and,
you know, you rarely have so you

867
00:55:50,550 --> 00:55:53,340
don't really have a scenario
where a listener is listening to

868
00:55:53,340 --> 00:55:56,820
a podcast on Apple podcast,
says, you know, this, it'd be a

869
00:55:56,820 --> 00:55:59,850
great idea for this thing to be
a part of this podcast for this

870
00:55:59,850 --> 00:56:01,980
feature to be part of this
podcast. Let me look up the

871
00:56:01,980 --> 00:56:06,000
hosting companies who this
petition them, like that doesn't

872
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:10,680
happen. Right? The podcasters
themselves have to communicate

873
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,310
that through. So if no, I think
the hosting companies definitely

874
00:56:14,310 --> 00:56:19,590
want as much input from all
parties as possible. They, they

875
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:24,060
they really thrive there, their
businesses thrive on, on feature

876
00:56:24,060 --> 00:56:26,220
development and pushing. So out
there, I think they would be big

877
00:56:26,220 --> 00:56:26,760
fans of that.

878
00:56:27,330 --> 00:56:32,580
So how do we get you started
with the database? Have you

879
00:56:32,580 --> 00:56:34,350
already thought about this? Of
course I

880
00:56:34,350 --> 00:56:40,200
have. But I wanted to talk it
through before I even move too

881
00:56:40,380 --> 00:56:44,460
much further forward. But I
guess, I mean, I can build

882
00:56:44,460 --> 00:56:48,720
something or I can find a tool,
I bought a domain. And I have a

883
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:51,540
landing page for it. That's just
super cheesy. So that if you're

884
00:56:51,540 --> 00:56:55,530
at Podcast Movement, and you run
into somebody who might be

885
00:56:55,530 --> 00:56:57,900
interested in you, they at least
have a place to go and it's just

886
00:56:57,900 --> 00:56:58,890
it's PC.

887
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:03,900
Two zero.com 209

888
00:57:03,930 --> 00:57:07,020
Yeah, two, zero, the numerals.
So that'll be kind of the

889
00:57:07,020 --> 00:57:12,000
landing to some people. And I
don't know if that's where we

890
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,580
host the pimp database or

891
00:57:16,110 --> 00:57:19,830
anything. Specifically, do you
have any skills with setting up

892
00:57:19,830 --> 00:57:20,700
databases?

893
00:57:21,180 --> 00:57:25,470
I used to? It would I would need
to clear some cobwebs.

894
00:57:25,650 --> 00:57:28,620
I don't think we need that. I
don't I don't think we need to

895
00:57:28,620 --> 00:57:32,730
go to that level. I think
because the GitHub repo, I think

896
00:57:32,730 --> 00:57:35,190
that that's the way to do it.
One is, yeah,

897
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,370
yeah. That's what I mean, it's
built for stuff like this. And,

898
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:45,060
okay, the GitHub, the namespace
repo. Also has a wealth of

899
00:57:45,060 --> 00:57:47,850
issues that have already been
created in and of ideas that

900
00:57:47,850 --> 00:57:52,830
people had. Yeah, yeah. True.
True, that nobody's picked up

901
00:57:52,830 --> 00:57:53,970
and done anything with.

902
00:57:54,180 --> 00:57:58,020
So you can raise a nice thought
you didn't like the way it was

903
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:00,000
being communicated? Or

904
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,750
I remember I remember Dave
saying that, too. Yeah.

905
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,370
I do. I don't like the way this
is communicated.

906
00:58:10,740 --> 00:58:14,160
About the structure, like the
structure you'd have with issues

907
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:15,450
or something or something you'd
write it

908
00:58:15,450 --> 00:58:16,470
wasn't working for you.

909
00:58:16,500 --> 00:58:19,470
It's It's messy. I mean, it's
messy. But I guess what I'm

910
00:58:19,470 --> 00:58:24,150
saying is like the so what I've
what I've started doing is, is

911
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:27,090
when there's now that we have
the pimp system, whenever,

912
00:58:27,330 --> 00:58:31,710
whenever a new one is put, like
the first one is the Verify tag,

913
00:58:31,710 --> 00:58:31,920
wait,

914
00:58:31,950 --> 00:58:34,680
we don't have a pimp system.
Where's, where's where's

915
00:58:35,730 --> 00:58:41,370
the pit? The PIP system is the
GitHub is GitHub projects. I

916
00:58:41,610 --> 00:58:43,290
started creating a project

917
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,050
Oh, I didn't know I didn't know
this was taking place

918
00:58:46,350 --> 00:58:49,500
did we've not discussed unless
you do not discuss this in the

919
00:58:49,500 --> 00:58:53,880
board meeting. So the what I did
with PIP two, which is the

920
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,220
Verify tag as I put it as a
project,

921
00:58:56,610 --> 00:58:58,530
and then when you have a
project, then you can have

922
00:58:58,530 --> 00:59:01,710
comments and shit under that you
can link issues to it. And

923
00:59:01,710 --> 00:59:06,060
you can you can assign it, you
can assign sub tasks of the

924
00:59:06,060 --> 00:59:08,760
project to different developers
and blah, blah, blah, but it's

925
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:14,490
just my way of tracking it. So
you know, but I think the just

926
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:20,190
dig through the issues list is
probably a great place to start.

927
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:21,570
Just to get

928
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:28,500
brainstorming convert them to
camps, do we reach out to you or

929
00:59:28,500 --> 00:59:30,870
do a pull request or I don't
know how I just

930
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,380
yeah, you can just you can just
put you know, if somebody sees

931
00:59:34,380 --> 00:59:38,820
something, they can put it to
me. I can I can I can also spend

932
00:59:38,820 --> 00:59:41,130
some time digging through there
because I can probably spot

933
00:59:41,130 --> 00:59:45,030
things pretty quick. Right? That
has there's a lot of stuff in

934
00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:49,350
there that was just like nah,
this is not good. But I think

935
00:59:49,350 --> 00:59:54,870
one thing Adam said was was
important that we don't we want

936
00:59:54,870 --> 00:59:58,140
it to be clear. You said this,
be specific. And one thing to be

937
00:59:58,140 --> 01:00:02,910
specific on is we don't want new
tags. We want, okay, existing.

938
01:00:03,690 --> 01:00:07,800
We want the existing we've got
to we're getting way in for in

939
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:12,540
front of our skis here because
you're 18 tags into this thing

940
01:00:12,570 --> 01:00:18,150
and a few protocols. And and we
still have, you know, apps that

941
01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:22,860
only support one tag. Right? So
if there was, we don't want new

942
01:00:22,860 --> 01:00:28,260
tags. So that's one guardrail.
And then the more general idea

943
01:00:28,260 --> 01:00:31,500
is, take what's already there
already available

944
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:36,690
and do something cool with that
bill. How about a cool search?

945
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,570
You know, there's all kinds of
stuff that I can come up with

946
01:00:39,900 --> 01:00:44,340
Discovery discovery, yes. The
elusive discovery? Yeah. Now

947
01:00:44,340 --> 01:00:49,740
we've been talking about so. So
how would a Normie, like a

948
01:00:49,830 --> 01:00:54,270
listener who's not going to be
on GitHub? Should I build

949
01:00:54,270 --> 01:00:57,870
something for them to submit to
me, and then I can transfer them

950
01:00:57,870 --> 01:01:00,420
to GitHub or what are you? What
do you think? Well, I think

951
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:06,330
I think we should just make a
new repo a column on Yeah. 22?

952
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:11,520
Yeah, I think so. Yeah. And then
there's an enlisted have,

953
01:01:11,700 --> 01:01:15,570
hopefully, normally, this is for
developers. So developers need

954
01:01:15,570 --> 01:01:20,190
to de they'll already know how
to do these things, right? To

955
01:01:20,190 --> 01:01:21,900
submit issues. And

956
01:01:21,900 --> 01:01:24,390
a hackathon is kind of by
default. I mean, it's important

957
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:28,770
that podcasters and listeners
are welcome. But it's really a

958
01:01:28,770 --> 01:01:29,610
developer thing.

959
01:01:30,540 --> 01:01:35,820
Yeah, in the in your your site,
your hack, PC 20 hackathon.com.

960
01:01:35,820 --> 01:01:40,860
That that can can be the the
sort of explainer and gore and

961
01:01:40,860 --> 01:01:44,700
Gabriele setup. And then they
say, and then you pass them off

962
01:01:44,700 --> 01:01:47,370
to write a hackathon 2022 repo.

963
01:01:47,790 --> 01:01:50,670
Okay. Yeah, that's kind of what
I was thinking. I mean, either

964
01:01:50,670 --> 01:01:55,890
we need, we need like an
onboarding for people who heard

965
01:01:55,890 --> 01:01:58,920
about it sounds interesting.
But, you know, had the

966
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:03,270
experience that Greg did, which
was like, Where what? You know,

967
01:02:04,500 --> 01:02:05,730
like, I need a flowchart.

968
01:02:06,660 --> 01:02:08,670
What is this float? Can I ask
you about the flow chart?

969
01:02:08,670 --> 01:02:11,850
Because this is, what is the
flow chart? Charting?

970
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,330
I don't even want to know, I
just want to have it. Yes. I

971
01:02:15,330 --> 01:02:16,680
want a flow chart. Well,

972
01:02:16,860 --> 01:02:20,070
here's what is the chart? What
is the flow? What flow is being

973
01:02:20,070 --> 01:02:20,580
charted?

974
01:02:20,820 --> 01:02:24,660
If. So that was one of the
things that I need to and you

975
01:02:24,660 --> 01:02:27,000
just reminded me, I made myself
a note, I need to ask him for an

976
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:31,410
example of one. And I was gonna
go to one of his companies and

977
01:02:31,410 --> 01:02:35,220
see if his, like, his API has a
flowchart and just see, you

978
01:02:35,220 --> 01:02:36,870
know, well, I like are you?

979
01:02:37,020 --> 01:02:39,030
Are you? Sure? Yeah.

980
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:44,100
Right. So that's, I'm not 100%
Sure. But it was something that

981
01:02:44,100 --> 01:02:47,370
was the first thing he was
looking for, which is kind of a

982
01:02:47,370 --> 01:02:49,890
schema, you know, of like,
what's going on here.

983
01:02:50,970 --> 01:02:56,250
When I think of flow chart, with
podcasting, 2.0, I think of

984
01:02:57,540 --> 01:03:03,510
something I've wanted for a long
time. Is a is like a motion.

985
01:03:03,540 --> 01:03:06,900
This is this sounds like, sounds
so much like an old man, when I

986
01:03:06,900 --> 01:03:12,810
say this motion graphic, like,
that's dumb term, but like, a

987
01:03:12,810 --> 01:03:17,790
graphical representation of the
flow of Satoshis as they go

988
01:03:17,790 --> 01:03:23,280
through the value for value
network system. With with, with

989
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,640
motion showing the showing flow?

990
01:03:27,570 --> 01:03:30,660
Yes. Where money goes in? For
value for value, that will be

991
01:03:30,660 --> 01:03:31,500
cool. Yeah,

992
01:03:31,530 --> 01:03:32,880
value for value. Yeah.

993
01:03:33,330 --> 01:03:36,480
That's just the one that's like
one piece of the pie. And

994
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:37,050
they're really

995
01:03:37,050 --> 01:03:43,380
talking more about a visual
description of the API. sounds

996
01:03:43,380 --> 01:03:43,920
like to me,

997
01:03:43,950 --> 01:03:47,760
I'm gonna, I'll double check
with them. Because I told him, I

998
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:51,900
said, I bet I'm gonna have to do
it. And so I may have more

999
01:03:51,900 --> 01:03:56,760
questions. But, you know, and I
will probably have questions for

1000
01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:01,920
you, Dave. As I start to kind of
understand. And then, you know,

1001
01:04:02,430 --> 01:04:04,860
try and figure it I mean, I will
try and figure I went to

1002
01:04:04,860 --> 01:04:06,810
Montessori. So I learned

1003
01:04:06,930 --> 01:04:09,030
I can get a steady learner.

1004
01:04:09,060 --> 01:04:11,550
Is that where you learn how to
eat clay and stuff?

1005
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:14,190
I didn't eat dirt, but

1006
01:04:15,810 --> 01:04:20,490
that's my way of you. Kids are
cool, man. They get it

1007
01:04:20,490 --> 01:04:23,790
suit. You're just you're really
well taught the funny thing is I

1008
01:04:23,820 --> 01:04:29,640
when I meet someone at a party,
I can tell Yeah, it's very

1009
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,250
weird. It's like it's kind of a
superpower.

1010
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,340
Well, there's there's something
else now when you when you hit

1011
01:04:35,340 --> 01:04:39,090
the party's because you have a
new glow about you. Hola Dave.

1012
01:04:39,090 --> 01:04:44,610
Grab this you got that sword.
Oh, yeah. I'm gonna grab that

1013
01:04:44,940 --> 01:04:49,620
because we now need to
officially pronounced the KU as

1014
01:04:49,800 --> 01:05:01,980
David Jennifer data now your
official name So here's your

1015
01:05:01,980 --> 01:05:07,020
scissors. Here's your scissors.
Yes, your sash your scissors. We

1016
01:05:07,020 --> 01:05:10,230
really appreciate this, Jennifer
and of course, we're here for

1017
01:05:10,260 --> 01:05:15,000
for anything. Anything you need,
let us know. And we'll jump in

1018
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:16,410
and whatever we can.

1019
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:20,070
Yeah, I mean, we're gonna have
to down the road. It's not

1020
01:05:20,250 --> 01:05:23,280
something we need to obviously
solve today. But then how do we

1021
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:27,570
start, you know, organizing the
presentation of what these

1022
01:05:27,570 --> 01:05:31,560
developers have come up with?
And then some kind of voting

1023
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:35,250
process. Do we do like a sweet
16? And, you know, we'd

1024
01:05:35,250 --> 01:05:40,110
like, Oh, man. Yeah, like the
tournament? They like NC double

1025
01:05:40,110 --> 01:05:43,410
Yeah. Double A tournament? I'm
not familiar. Yeah, well, you

1026
01:05:43,410 --> 01:05:46,200
have like, you know, you have a
bracket of 64. And then it goes,

1027
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:49,860
the winners go to 32. Then the
16 teams into a didn't afford

1028
01:05:49,860 --> 01:05:53,610
then did the? Oh, okay. Yeah.
Yeah. So

1029
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:57,330
you're kind of pairing?
Brackets, brackets. So yeah,

1030
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:01,260
brackets, there's, there's the
word. Thank you. Um, so you know

1031
01:06:01,260 --> 01:06:03,990
that that's something else. But
I mean, we're not there. Like,

1032
01:06:04,110 --> 01:06:08,880
right now, I think that the
primary thing is get people

1033
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:13,680
involved and interested, who, if
they heard about it, and could

1034
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:17,640
get their head around, it would
love to contribute? Oh, and

1035
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,780
what's the what's the money?
Like, can we start saying that

1036
01:06:21,780 --> 01:06:23,670
there's money, there's a bounty
or is there,

1037
01:06:24,090 --> 01:06:26,670
it's going to be value for
value, the voting will will be

1038
01:06:26,670 --> 01:06:28,710
done with Satoshis, I would
presume.

1039
01:06:29,910 --> 01:06:33,420
But here's, here's my own,
here's the plan, the only plan

1040
01:06:33,420 --> 01:06:36,900
I've come up with for the, for
the SATs for the for the prize

1041
01:06:36,900 --> 01:06:44,970
money is, is create, I like your
idea for like a blog or bracket

1042
01:06:44,970 --> 01:06:47,790
or whatever you you know, have
some sort of an initial voting

1043
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,480
that goes through where you
could get it down to maybe four

1044
01:06:51,870 --> 01:07:00,150
projects. And then then we could
create, like four different

1045
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:06,000
podcasts with each with, with
each description, just just one

1046
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:10,380
episode, just describing what
the, what the project is. And

1047
01:07:10,380 --> 01:07:15,060
then everybody sends SATs to the
project that they think worst

1048
01:07:15,090 --> 01:07:19,530
is, is the winner. And then just
add up, whoever gets the most

1049
01:07:19,530 --> 01:07:22,680
SATs is the winner and then they
get they get the prize, they get

1050
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:26,400
the whole kitty. That's that was
the only thing I had, there may

1051
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:30,300
be a much better way and open
to, to all that we I mean, we

1052
01:07:30,300 --> 01:07:33,570
could just, you know, we could
The other alternative is just

1053
01:07:33,930 --> 01:07:35,370
how about this and

1054
01:07:35,670 --> 01:07:41,520
change the future and win
valuable prizes? That's, that's,

1055
01:07:41,550 --> 01:07:45,750
that's there. Right there. Yeah,
change the future, and win

1056
01:07:45,750 --> 01:07:47,100
valuable prizes?

1057
01:07:48,060 --> 01:07:52,950
Well, we, we could just say, you
know, put $1 value on it.

1058
01:07:52,980 --> 01:07:56,100
$500 $1,000. Now, whatever.

1059
01:07:56,550 --> 01:08:01,740
Value, value, value for value,
watch this. We're gonna figure

1060
01:08:01,740 --> 01:08:06,060
this out real quick. These
things present themselves. Okay,

1061
01:08:06,090 --> 01:08:09,690
I would not start off with, Hey,
we got you. First of all, we

1062
01:08:09,690 --> 01:08:13,170
don't have 500 bucks. We can't
promise anything. True. That's

1063
01:08:13,170 --> 01:08:16,830
true. Then, you know, it's like
people should be here for the

1064
01:08:16,830 --> 01:08:20,550
fun of it. Normally, people pay
you to come to the hackathon.

1065
01:08:23,310 --> 01:08:25,950
What do you think? What do you
think about about doing it

1066
01:08:25,950 --> 01:08:29,640
purely through podcasting to do
podcasting app boosts? Yeah,

1067
01:08:29,670 --> 01:08:32,280
something like that. I like that
a lot. And you have four

1068
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:34,380
different podcasts or two
different pods. I mean, two

1069
01:08:34,380 --> 01:08:37,260
different podcasts per project.
And it's just one episode. Like,

1070
01:08:37,740 --> 01:08:41,640
this project is about the
alternate enclosure tag and

1071
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:45,570
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And then they just vote. That

1072
01:08:45,570 --> 01:08:47,820
sounds extremely boring.

1073
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:50,400
Now that does that sounds like a
shit idea. We're gonna have to

1074
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:55,860
think about it. Let's Yeah,
stick a pin in it, everybody. I

1075
01:08:55,860 --> 01:09:00,120
don't know how to do. What are
most hackathons? It is not

1076
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,430
always money involved in a
hackathon is there

1077
01:09:05,130 --> 01:09:08,520
I don't know that I would I want
money

1078
01:09:08,610 --> 01:09:10,080
or lots of free pizza.

1079
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:14,130
Maybe as also people just like,
you know, like fans of some

1080
01:09:14,580 --> 01:09:17,370
technology. They go and do a
hackathon. It's about getting

1081
01:09:17,370 --> 01:09:18,540
together and doing it.

1082
01:09:19,859 --> 01:09:21,899
Yeah, this is a virtual though
there's no

1083
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:25,770
I know. But But Is that not the
actual kind of idea of a

1084
01:09:25,770 --> 01:09:28,440
hackathon. So what if it's
virtual right so what are the

1085
01:09:28,890 --> 01:09:32,670
differences that make yeah but
you because it's virtual you got

1086
01:09:32,670 --> 01:09:33,480
to pay people

1087
01:09:33,929 --> 01:09:38,039
No, but I mean that but here's
it's not that but it's the

1088
01:09:38,039 --> 01:09:44,459
painting the painting to me is
more a function of of this of

1089
01:09:44,459 --> 01:09:47,909
putting on display the power of
value of the value for value

1090
01:09:47,909 --> 01:09:53,519
Lightning Network and and
podcasting 2.0 value tag like

1091
01:09:53,669 --> 01:09:54,089
it's

1092
01:09:54,150 --> 01:09:58,050
no no I agree with I agree with
that. But there's two things one

1093
01:09:58,050 --> 01:10:00,960
is, if we if we say up front,
oh, there's Gonna be a prize.

1094
01:10:00,990 --> 01:10:05,280
Now we can't say that value for
value reward, whatever, we have

1095
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:09,930
to figure out the mechanism,
because so if someone sends 5

1096
01:10:09,930 --> 01:10:13,680
million SATs to one project, can
the other projects ever be a

1097
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:17,910
winner? You got to put some,
some parameters in there.

1098
01:10:18,300 --> 01:10:20,640
We'll see that's okay. So
here's, here's when I said,

1099
01:10:20,910 --> 01:10:24,210
create four podcasts, or two
podcasts, or whatever this is,

1100
01:10:25,110 --> 01:10:29,460
my idea was that we, we have a
wallet that's going to receive

1101
01:10:29,460 --> 01:10:34,740
the SATs, and we are watching in
the voting, the SAT voting, then

1102
01:10:34,740 --> 01:10:38,760
when the winner is determined,
then we say we send all those

1103
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:39,720
sets to the winner.

1104
01:10:40,380 --> 01:10:45,720
No, I understand. But how do you
determine the winner? Whoever

1105
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:48,720
gets the most, no, but that's
what I mean. That's, that's,

1106
01:10:48,750 --> 01:10:51,300
that's going to be that's not
going to work because whoever

1107
01:10:51,300 --> 01:10:55,170
gets the most sets is like,
okay, so I'm a big baller. And I

1108
01:10:55,170 --> 01:10:59,220
really liked this project. And I
said 10 million SATs. Who's Who

1109
01:10:59,220 --> 01:11:04,560
else is gonna win? Right? Yeah,
so we have to we have to come up

1110
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:08,490
with so I liked the idea of
maybe aiming like gaming it

1111
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:13,440
okay. Yes. Yeah. Yes, like
gaming it? Totally. We got to be

1112
01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:16,020
careful of that. So maybe

1113
01:11:16,980 --> 01:11:21,090
you just have donations of, you
know, if you want to give toward

1114
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:26,310
the bounty to encourage
development. Great. Here you go.

1115
01:11:27,390 --> 01:11:30,720
Put it to this, donate at this
time, or put this in your boost

1116
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:35,190
or whatever. And then the voting
be completely separate. And it'd

1117
01:11:35,190 --> 01:11:41,010
be, you know, however you want
blue ribbon panel writing. Um, I

1118
01:11:41,130 --> 01:11:45,240
Well, that I don't know, that I
I haven't really thought

1119
01:11:45,270 --> 01:11:48,210
through. I kind of like the
community voting. But I also

1120
01:11:48,210 --> 01:11:52,140
think maybe it does just need to
be like a board, quote, unquote.

1121
01:11:52,710 --> 01:11:54,870
Alright, I gotta I gotta read
some booster grams because

1122
01:11:54,870 --> 01:11:57,690
people are tripping out now.
Because no, no, no, not at all.

1123
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:01,170
Not at all. But we're lit Of
course. And so right off the

1124
01:12:01,170 --> 01:12:05,070
bat, Todd Cochran. 10,000 SATs
blueberry will commit to

1125
01:12:05,070 --> 01:12:07,800
contributing to cash pool if
this is the way you want to go.

1126
01:12:08,130 --> 01:12:11,430
Well, no, no, that's cool. Well,
just send us the cash. We'll

1127
01:12:11,430 --> 01:12:12,030
take care of it.

1128
01:12:13,500 --> 01:12:15,840
Yeah, we'll we'll make sure it
gets to the right place.

1129
01:12:17,220 --> 01:12:20,550
floydian slips 3200 People go to
hackathons, because they are

1130
01:12:20,550 --> 01:12:24,300
passionate about a project. They
aren't bounty hunting events.

1131
01:12:24,660 --> 01:12:27,750
And that's kind of what I
thought but I I liked the idea

1132
01:12:27,750 --> 01:12:32,340
of using the value tag. Maybe
it's putting someone in your

1133
01:12:32,340 --> 01:12:35,520
splits. I mean, there's all
kinds of we just got to work on

1134
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:41,610
that. Pay two or 50,000 SATs
congratulations Dame Jenny bear.

1135
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:50,490
Okay, not quite sure. Booper of
noses 800 SATs thank you for

1136
01:12:50,490 --> 01:12:55,440
brave noses. And then Holy moly.
Darren O'Neil podcast

1137
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,580
shot caller 20 plays only

1138
01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:06,570
100,001 SATs from Darren says oh
yeah, you're a big drop. It's a

1139
01:13:06,570 --> 01:13:09,390
pleasure to hear Dame Jennifer
bringing some levity to an

1140
01:13:09,390 --> 01:13:11,670
otherwise non funny show.

1141
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:19,650
Oh, that's gonna be on my
headstone.

1142
01:13:21,060 --> 01:13:24,750
2222 from McIntosh who says
missing the show live today. I'm

1143
01:13:24,750 --> 01:13:31,080
sure it'd be awesome hit me with
go podcast. We got blueberry

1144
01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:36,900
with the Oso religious 7777 the
striper boost Hey, Dame Jennifer

1145
01:13:36,990 --> 01:13:39,810
can't wait for a Nashville
roller rink. Meet up part two.

1146
01:13:40,440 --> 01:13:43,980
Yeah, I met him in February.
There you go. Yeah.

1147
01:13:44,730 --> 01:13:49,020
Sam Sethi responding Dave with
another 1000 SATs. We do have

1148
01:13:49,020 --> 01:13:52,170
transcripts. Occasionally it's
missing. Occasionally it's

1149
01:13:52,170 --> 01:13:54,870
missing but pod land does does
okay.

1150
01:13:56,790 --> 01:13:58,770
My apologies but deficits here
apologies.

1151
01:14:00,300 --> 01:14:05,040
Captain Egghead, go V four V
with a row of ducks 2222 Thank

1152
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:11,460
you. And let me see what oh my
goodness. There you go. We have

1153
01:14:11,460 --> 01:14:15,570
blueberry and blueberry also
hits it hard how

1154
01:14:15,570 --> 01:14:20,220
long 20 is played on am Paula
100,001

1155
01:14:20,220 --> 01:14:25,680
equaling Darren O'Neil old
ladies, BTS will be live

1156
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,620
following this Cummings no
agenda on Sunday. Come get us an

1157
01:14:28,620 --> 01:14:33,360
ad. Come get some action on
banned Radio dot live or a new

1158
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:38,280
podcast app new podcast apps.com
We'll be rocking out hard with

1159
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:42,390
the gematria boost bot in the
green room chats these goats are

1160
01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:44,190
going to sacrifice themselves.

1161
01:14:45,210 --> 01:14:50,340
So this this Gematria boost bot
thing he explained it later. And

1162
01:14:50,370 --> 01:14:55,410
it's like there's there's a
certain code if you if you send

1163
01:14:55,410 --> 01:14:58,680
them if you send boosts of a
certain amount it it ends up

1164
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:00,870
displaying a certain amount
Would you string

1165
01:15:01,740 --> 01:15:05,190
Yes and it's fingered fires a
different sound as well.

1166
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:08,370
Yeah. And so it's like a game
trying to figure trying to get

1167
01:15:08,370 --> 01:15:11,190
like decipher this shinda since
that's the

1168
01:15:11,190 --> 01:15:15,450
shit I expect out of a
hackathon. Yeah, that's boost

1169
01:15:15,450 --> 01:15:18,030
bots. These these are by the
way, these are pretty good

1170
01:15:18,030 --> 01:15:21,840
examples. These are cool
hackathon. Hackathon things.

1171
01:15:22,260 --> 01:15:26,370
leaderboards? Oh, my goodness
voting. How about a voting

1172
01:15:26,370 --> 01:15:31,530
system? Yeah, voting. Yes, it'll
be handy. Very handy. Yeah.

1173
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:35,730
Pfeiffer there's nothing like a
dame especially when it's Dame

1174
01:15:35,730 --> 01:15:36,480
Jennifer

1175
01:15:52,260 --> 01:15:58,350
that's still my second favorite.
Well, maybe my favorite anime

1176
01:15:58,350 --> 01:16:00,930
had no agenda. I did that really
early.

1177
01:16:02,250 --> 01:16:04,950
Yeah, I remember I remember.
Yeah. And I

1178
01:16:04,980 --> 01:16:07,320
every once in a while. It'll
come up in my recommendations.

1179
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:11,730
And I'm like, Okay, I'll watch
that one. It's cute. Yeah,

1180
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:12,180
anyway.

1181
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:18,750
Let me see Sam Sethi again 1000
SATs Hi, chaps and Jennifer I

1182
01:16:18,750 --> 01:16:20,910
know you start about now my
Friday night I have my

1183
01:16:20,910 --> 01:16:24,780
notification set in pod verse. I
seem to let go live or waiting

1184
01:16:24,780 --> 01:16:27,600
but where how can I see what
actual time you go live in the

1185
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:34,500
apps well that's it there is a
scheduled time that is that is

1186
01:16:34,500 --> 01:16:36,720
posted I guess it's not
surfacing.

1187
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:40,290
I guess pod verse doesn't Yeah,
I guess it doesn't display that

1188
01:16:40,290 --> 01:16:43,830
I wonder if curio caster does
I'm going to be going right now.

1189
01:16:43,830 --> 01:16:48,480
Let me see me does curio caster
show and I'm talking directly

1190
01:16:49,020 --> 01:16:53,370
because I know he's in the chat
room sorry. He will tell me if

1191
01:16:53,370 --> 01:16:57,210
curio caster shows the time of
the upcoming Yeah, I

1192
01:16:57,210 --> 01:17:01,500
can't see that now because we're
already live. Okay engaged

1193
01:17:01,500 --> 01:17:05,370
stream stream engaged Let's rock
1000 SATs from Lehman creations

1194
01:17:05,370 --> 01:17:07,140
Thank you very much.

1195
01:17:08,580 --> 01:17:11,130
says yes curio Castro does
display the upcoming time.

1196
01:17:12,930 --> 01:17:17,100
Another 7777 from Pfeiffer
obligatory plug for the Sunday

1197
01:17:17,100 --> 01:17:20,520
morning to our folk hour on the
no agenda streamed live Sunday

1198
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:25,170
mornings at 9am. Central
Standard Time. Okay, these plugs

1199
01:17:25,170 --> 01:17:31,110
are very interesting. Let's see
we have another 1000 from sands

1200
01:17:31,110 --> 01:17:36,000
Sam Sethi and then 10,001 from
blueberry pod verse boosting for

1201
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:40,680
mobile fields so permissionless
totally filled match. Congrats.

1202
01:17:41,220 --> 01:17:44,910
There you go. tilled it pimpled
Yeah.

1203
01:17:44,970 --> 01:17:46,530
Okay, that's a good that's a
good phrase.

1204
01:17:46,530 --> 01:17:53,130
And thanks. Thanks to meet us
for the 20,069 SATs said pre pre

1205
01:17:53,130 --> 01:18:00,480
show and he just says what up
nerds. And let's see 3200 Now

1206
01:18:00,480 --> 01:18:03,060
from Florida and slips per diem
Jennifer's request I switch to

1207
01:18:03,060 --> 01:18:12,150
no agendas category from comedy
to news. 19 148 SATs from Brian

1208
01:18:12,150 --> 01:18:16,110
of London Hello Brian of London.
He says Let me tell you about

1209
01:18:16,110 --> 01:18:22,110
coin voting. He has a little son
emoji with the sunglasses

1210
01:18:22,110 --> 01:18:26,250
because of course that means
that we have to do this in hive.

1211
01:18:28,410 --> 01:18:31,230
Right Of course. No, no, it's
not gonna happen.

1212
01:18:33,330 --> 01:18:35,070
Of course popping seems really
cool.

1213
01:18:35,070 --> 01:18:38,760
I was gonna say any cool app
from anything I don't care as

1214
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:41,070
long as it's integrating what
we're doing is great.

1215
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:46,290
Absolutely. It's great. Yeah,
pod ping is is beyond this. It's

1216
01:18:46,290 --> 01:18:50,430
incredible sometimes to read
these comments which are

1217
01:18:50,430 --> 01:18:55,800
completely egged on by Brian of
London himself. Of course. You

1218
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:58,710
know people gonna like putting
on this podcast that to put

1219
01:18:58,710 --> 01:19:01,290
always they're building a
database with hive that she

1220
01:19:01,290 --> 01:19:06,690
called man. Like cheese wheeze
people. Like there was a whole

1221
01:19:06,690 --> 01:19:10,860
thread Roy forwarded me today.
The Ellen URL guys are all like,

1222
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:15,510
well, how come we don't have
value for value with ln URL? Oh,

1223
01:19:15,510 --> 01:19:21,060
really? Yeah. And, and Bumi was
in the thread from Alby and Roy

1224
01:19:21,060 --> 01:19:25,170
and everyone's like, well, you
know, it would work but you

1225
01:19:25,170 --> 01:19:28,350
know, we're doing up to 10
splits. Now. It's, yeah, but the

1226
01:19:28,380 --> 01:19:30,870
Ellen URL, you know, it's just
one of those really emotional

1227
01:19:30,870 --> 01:19:35,130
conversations. And I have to
say, Roy, and Boomi they talked

1228
01:19:35,130 --> 01:19:40,350
him off and he's like, Okay, I'm
gonna go learn key send those

1229
01:19:40,350 --> 01:19:42,720
things sometimes, you know,
people get real passionate about

1230
01:19:42,750 --> 01:19:45,780
technology, especially because
Ellen URL has been around it's

1231
01:19:45,810 --> 01:19:49,890
very, for enlightening standards
and ancient protocol. And

1232
01:19:49,890 --> 01:19:53,400
they've gone really far with
Elon bits and, and all this

1233
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:56,490
stuff is just, there are some
significant differences to it

1234
01:19:56,490 --> 01:19:58,020
for us. Elon, URL

1235
01:19:58,020 --> 01:20:02,580
author, I mean, all these ed
that Do the same thing. It's the

1236
01:20:02,580 --> 01:20:05,850
same thing, though. It's always
the same thing. Go build

1237
01:20:05,850 --> 01:20:06,480
something.

1238
01:20:06,540 --> 01:20:08,820
Yes, please build it exactly.
Don't

1239
01:20:08,820 --> 01:20:11,850
don't complain about not don't
complain about things not

1240
01:20:11,850 --> 01:20:16,740
existing, just make it exist.
That's, that's, that's still the

1241
01:20:16,740 --> 01:20:19,260
age old problem with people
don't not understanding open

1242
01:20:19,260 --> 01:20:22,770
source is that it's not about
asking for things. It's about

1243
01:20:22,770 --> 01:20:27,150
making the thing, right. I mean,
that's what that's the

1244
01:20:27,150 --> 01:20:28,170
hackathon. Well, but

1245
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:31,710
you know, what I've noticed.
And, and you notice, it's

1246
01:20:31,740 --> 01:20:35,190
extremely obvious on the
consumer side, but also, I

1247
01:20:35,190 --> 01:20:38,010
think, to some degree on the
developer side, you know, we've

1248
01:20:38,010 --> 01:20:43,470
been so spoiled with Silicon
Valley companies being funded

1249
01:20:43,470 --> 01:20:49,320
with very cheap money, which is
over with all kinds of apps and

1250
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:53,610
things that pop up and are free,
and it's all expected to work

1251
01:20:53,610 --> 01:20:56,700
immediately. And, you know, I'm
not even gonna let this morning,

1252
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:01,080
you know, at this pace of shock,
like, holy crap, what's cool,

1253
01:21:01,290 --> 01:21:04,650
every time I want to do this, it
freezes. And I was just, I was

1254
01:21:04,650 --> 01:21:06,930
just letting it go. Because, you
know, and I wasn't trying to be

1255
01:21:06,930 --> 01:21:10,230
defensive, but I immediately I
go into defensive mode, like,

1256
01:21:10,620 --> 01:21:15,450
well, this is like two guys or
one guy, and you know, yeah, but

1257
01:21:15,450 --> 01:21:20,490
you, IT people, it's the same
with I don't understand two

1258
01:21:20,490 --> 01:21:23,610
point I understand value for I
don't get it, you know, and

1259
01:21:23,610 --> 01:21:28,320
people are not they're used to
it being spoon fed, stuck in

1260
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:34,530
their face completely managed,
completely helped. You know, and

1261
01:21:34,530 --> 01:21:38,940
developers, I think, sometimes
also have this idea of like,

1262
01:21:38,940 --> 01:21:42,240
well, listen, index, guys, why
don't you do Alan URL just

1263
01:21:42,270 --> 01:21:46,800
implemented? You know, not
knowing at all, you know, at all

1264
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,650
what we're about, or, you know,
or how this works, or what we're

1265
01:21:49,650 --> 01:21:54,720
trying to accomplish? It's the
modern age of technology, people

1266
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:58,410
have been extremely spoiled.
And, you know, it's like, Ah,

1267
01:21:58,410 --> 01:22:02,940
this, like, people upgrade their
phones every year. Right?

1268
01:22:02,970 --> 01:22:06,210
Kidding me. So, well,

1269
01:22:06,300 --> 01:22:09,960
we got an iPhone in the mail. It
was just like an anonymous gift.

1270
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:13,050
So people send me stuff all the
time.

1271
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:16,140
Where do I get in on that? Like,
how do I get an action? What?

1272
01:22:16,170 --> 01:22:19,770
Well, okay, making cartoons.
Yeah. Yeah, that's yeah.

1273
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:25,770
You got to start a podcast
without me. Now, it's like Tina

1274
01:22:25,770 --> 01:22:29,220
and I, we get all kinds of cool
stuff. cutting boards, bottles

1275
01:22:29,220 --> 01:22:34,050
of wine, you name it. Yeah,
that's, I mean, we really do the

1276
01:22:34,050 --> 01:22:35,130
show for the alcohol,

1277
01:22:35,639 --> 01:22:37,259
as well as the fever five that
way.

1278
01:22:37,349 --> 01:22:41,759
Yeah. Cutting Board, shall we?
Thanks for more of our value for

1279
01:22:41,759 --> 01:22:46,979
value donors, Dave. And I would
like to say I'm so delighted to

1280
01:22:46,979 --> 01:22:53,219
hear the leading podcasting
podcasts, all soaking in value

1281
01:22:53,219 --> 01:23:03,119
for value. I hear new media show
pod land, pod news. Doing

1282
01:23:03,119 --> 01:23:08,039
booster gram segments. You know,
I love it. That's cool. Oh,

1283
01:23:08,039 --> 01:23:11,129
yeah. Well, and you know, and
the money's getting better.

1284
01:23:12,149 --> 01:23:15,299
People are understanding higher
amounts, you know, and that's

1285
01:23:15,299 --> 01:23:18,629
why we do have some cut offs.
Because of course, there's a lot

1286
01:23:18,629 --> 01:23:23,669
of people do a lot of comments
for low sat numbers on on

1287
01:23:23,669 --> 01:23:28,139
fountain. But it's kind of work
it it's interesting, because I

1288
01:23:28,139 --> 01:23:31,379
hear pod land, you know, I'll
hear James do not pod on pod

1289
01:23:31,379 --> 01:23:34,829
news. And it sounds like he's
just getting you know, 10 SATs,

1290
01:23:34,859 --> 01:23:38,159
20 SATs at SATs where people
leaving comments on a daily

1291
01:23:38,159 --> 01:23:42,959
episode. And he's not really
pitching it's short show. So I

1292
01:23:42,959 --> 01:23:45,899
understand he's not really
pitching value for value.

1293
01:23:47,069 --> 01:23:51,449
Whereas it pod lands I think the
numbers are much higher. There

1294
01:23:51,449 --> 01:23:54,149
any any I heard him I caught him
actually saying, you know, if

1295
01:23:54,149 --> 01:23:57,329
you get some value from this
show, like wow, okay. There we

1296
01:23:57,329 --> 01:23:58,109
go. Yeah.

1297
01:23:58,590 --> 01:24:03,840
Mindset, no answer. Yeah. Yeah,
we on that. Just real quick

1298
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:08,940
before we do the donations on
that thing. You know, about the,

1299
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:13,770
you know, just about the apps
and about the, you know, we had

1300
01:24:13,770 --> 01:24:17,700
a really good discussion with
Pocket Casts that people from

1301
01:24:17,700 --> 01:24:18,510
Pocket Casts.

1302
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:22,620
Yes. First automatic and then
Pocket Cast. Yes, we did. And

1303
01:24:22,650 --> 01:24:26,430
early in the week, and we, you
know, we, they were gracious

1304
01:24:26,430 --> 01:24:31,440
enough to, to have a zoom call
with us, and we pitched pitched

1305
01:24:31,440 --> 01:24:32,610
all the podcasts and

1306
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:36,780
I'll tell you the pitch. We
would like you to declare the

1307
01:24:36,780 --> 01:24:39,900
namespace, the podcast namespace
and every single product you

1308
01:24:39,900 --> 01:24:45,870
have including Pocket Casts
WordPress, everything, and they

1309
01:24:45,870 --> 01:24:49,410
win and literally they went
well, that sounds like a good

1310
01:24:49,410 --> 01:24:58,560
idea. So anyway, we're we're
waiting. This is a Todd Cochran

1311
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:00,840
moment we're waiting just to get
some time. information on them,

1312
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:03,120
we can just talk about a couple
things because it was very

1313
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:05,820
informal. We just don't want to
violate any trust at this point.

1314
01:25:05,820 --> 01:25:10,500
But we're super pleased. As you
know, I've known Matt for a long

1315
01:25:10,500 --> 01:25:15,180
time. But he really did build a
company with people who give a

1316
01:25:15,180 --> 01:25:18,720
shit. And they really care about
open source, they care about

1317
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:22,350
open systems. That's what they
do, obviously.

1318
01:25:23,790 --> 01:25:27,720
I will say confidently that,
that Pocket Casts is in

1319
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:32,190
fantastic hands with being big
and automatic. Yeah. And I can't

1320
01:25:32,190 --> 01:25:35,370
think of a I can't think of a
better place for them to have

1321
01:25:35,370 --> 01:25:39,750
landed than this grid in May.
Yeah. Good, good, good things

1322
01:25:39,750 --> 01:25:43,740
are gonna come out of this. I
mean, we can, one thing I can

1323
01:25:43,740 --> 01:25:47,520
say about our talk with them is
that they, they already knew

1324
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,490
about this, I mean, or excuse me
on the Pocket Casts, they they

1325
01:25:50,490 --> 01:25:55,920
already knew about podcasting
2.0 and had plans around it. It

1326
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:58,380
just, they, they had a lot, you
know, the automatic

1327
01:25:58,380 --> 01:26:01,080
transmissions been big and
stuff. So they gotta get through

1328
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:03,600
some stuff. But they, they
already knew about the stuff.

1329
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:08,160
And it was a really helpful zoom
call to be able to just dig in

1330
01:26:08,340 --> 01:26:11,310
to the details, because they,
they knew generally about

1331
01:26:11,310 --> 01:26:13,530
everything, but they didn't know
a lot of the details. And we saw

1332
01:26:13,530 --> 01:26:16,740
we did some deep dives on, on
the different tags and the way

1333
01:26:16,740 --> 01:26:20,400
things work and stuff and really
just got to talk, you know,

1334
01:26:20,670 --> 01:26:24,210
and but what I liked the most
about it is they really saw I

1335
01:26:24,210 --> 01:26:28,230
mean, it was a no brainer for
them that like, well, so people

1336
01:26:28,230 --> 01:26:31,440
are publishing with these, with
this extra data and these

1337
01:26:31,440 --> 01:26:35,580
features. Yes. Well, why why
wouldn't we that sounds like

1338
01:26:35,580 --> 01:26:36,900
that's stupid not to.

1339
01:26:37,710 --> 01:26:41,430
Yeah, I don't think people
realize that how many phase

1340
01:26:41,430 --> 01:26:44,130
there are out there that declare
the POC test namespace? It's,

1341
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:47,190
it's, you know, 400,000 plus at
this point, yeah, that's a

1342
01:26:47,190 --> 01:26:52,380
wow, did you did you ever have a
chance to check Dave and see of

1343
01:26:52,380 --> 01:26:58,380
those 400,000? How many are in
the 90 Day Count of updates? Not

1344
01:26:58,380 --> 01:27:02,850
done that? That would be
something cool to see to see if,

1345
01:27:03,090 --> 01:27:07,230
if 2.0 feeds are updated more
frequently? Or what percentage

1346
01:27:07,230 --> 01:27:09,990
they are, that number may be
very small, I don't know. But

1347
01:27:10,020 --> 01:27:13,170
the point is, when you have
people creating content,

1348
01:27:14,340 --> 01:27:19,770
possible 140,000, or whatever it
is that at Buzzsprout. Another

1349
01:27:19,770 --> 01:27:23,610
100,000 rss.com, you know,
200,000, I have no idea. The

1350
01:27:23,610 --> 01:27:27,930
hundreds of 1000s can put in all
kinds of tags a lot of these

1351
01:27:27,930 --> 01:27:32,220
guys have and people are doing
it. This is why I was so

1352
01:27:32,220 --> 01:27:35,070
confident to say within a year
Apple will have implemented one

1353
01:27:35,070 --> 01:27:43,260
or multiple namespace tags. And
the reason why is if they don't

1354
01:27:43,260 --> 01:27:46,320
they're not business people,
then that they have no business.

1355
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:48,750
And if Apple knows anything,
they know how to run a business.

1356
01:27:49,650 --> 01:27:53,640
It's just it makes me insane. I
mean, if everyone is going to

1357
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:57,450
adopt this, everyone will except
maybe Spotify, they may not. But

1358
01:27:58,290 --> 01:28:00,690
if you want a competitive
advantage when the creators are

1359
01:28:00,690 --> 01:28:05,190
making it, they're putting it in
there that you go.

1360
01:28:05,460 --> 01:28:07,830
Listen to you, Girl Friday,
she'll tell you what's right.

1361
01:28:08,970 --> 01:28:12,780
Yeah, I would love to go back to
Pocket Casts as my daily driver

1362
01:28:12,810 --> 01:28:14,460
used to be I love that user.

1363
01:28:14,580 --> 01:28:17,790
Oh, why did you drop it? Because
of 2.0 features? Yeah,

1364
01:28:17,790 --> 01:28:20,520
cuz I wanted to play around with
SharePoint. I wanted to support

1365
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:24,270
the project. And so I you know,
and I move around, but, but I

1366
01:28:24,270 --> 01:28:27,870
still have it installed on all
my devices. I still love it. I.

1367
01:28:28,650 --> 01:28:30,360
So that's cool. I can't wait to
hear more.

1368
01:28:30,660 --> 01:28:33,060
What do you love about it?
Because that would help

1369
01:28:33,570 --> 01:28:35,760
developers listen to the show.
And they need to know these

1370
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:36,780
things. Okay, the,

1371
01:28:37,050 --> 01:28:40,950
the original reason that I
subscribed, I paid for a

1372
01:28:40,950 --> 01:28:46,260
subscription was that it across
any device, I was synced up. So

1373
01:28:46,260 --> 01:28:49,860
if I start listening to no
agenda on my phone, and then I

1374
01:28:49,890 --> 01:28:55,890
come to my PC, and then I go
later on my iPad, they that app,

1375
01:28:55,920 --> 01:29:02,640
new word that I was, yep. Which
I loved it, you have lots of

1376
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:08,730
options per podcast options. So
there are certain ones that I

1377
01:29:08,730 --> 01:29:11,760
want to be alerted. There are
certain ones that I want to

1378
01:29:11,790 --> 01:29:15,540
automatically download and add
to the queue. So they have this

1379
01:29:15,540 --> 01:29:19,500
really nice queue that you can
establish and you can say I want

1380
01:29:19,500 --> 01:29:21,480
to put this at the beginning of
the queue or the end of the

1381
01:29:21,480 --> 01:29:29,310
queue. I love that. Yeah, I am a
I am a huge, huge fan of Pocket

1382
01:29:29,310 --> 01:29:31,590
Casts and every once awhile I
still dip my toe in because I'm

1383
01:29:31,590 --> 01:29:32,370
like, oh,

1384
01:29:33,210 --> 01:29:34,440
there's no shame in that game.

1385
01:29:36,780 --> 01:29:41,760
And and they just make it really
easy to subscribe to, you know,

1386
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:44,520
if you have the RSS feed. It's
like as long as you know how to

1387
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:48,750
find that. It's easy because I
as a test part, one of the first

1388
01:29:48,750 --> 01:29:52,530
things I did when I went on no
agenda tube was I put the RSS

1389
01:29:52,530 --> 01:29:56,790
feed into Pocket Casts and said
Do they support video? Sure

1390
01:29:56,790 --> 01:30:00,240
enough, it worked. I just put it
in the Yeah, so they They've

1391
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:04,860
been supporting video for a
while, because I did that. It's

1392
01:30:04,860 --> 01:30:12,210
been over two years. Yeah. So
I'm a huge, huge podcast fan. So

1393
01:30:12,570 --> 01:30:13,320
that's exciting.

1394
01:30:13,859 --> 01:30:16,529
Oh, good. Well, we're excited.
Hopefully they are listening to

1395
01:30:16,529 --> 01:30:20,009
the show, and they will hear
fervently desire there to be.

1396
01:30:21,090 --> 01:30:25,080
Very, very interesting, though,
the reasons that you were drawn

1397
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:25,470
to it.

1398
01:30:26,370 --> 01:30:30,450
Yeah, that kind of stuff.
Hearing hearing listeners

1399
01:30:30,450 --> 01:30:35,610
describe why they like certain
apps that is so valuable,

1400
01:30:35,730 --> 01:30:39,780
because it's not, it's one thing
to get a request for something

1401
01:30:39,810 --> 01:30:44,370
from from somebody, and it says,
Hey, can you please support? Can

1402
01:30:44,370 --> 01:30:48,510
you please support an X feature?
It's another thing to hear a

1403
01:30:48,510 --> 01:30:52,830
sort of, sort of case study
where you can listen to a user

1404
01:30:52,830 --> 01:30:56,940
who loves an app describe
exactly why they love the app,

1405
01:30:57,150 --> 01:31:00,300
because then you may not want to
replicate that that may not be

1406
01:31:00,300 --> 01:31:03,540
the identity that you're looking
for in your app. But you can,

1407
01:31:03,930 --> 01:31:07,410
you can understand the thinking
there and say, Okay, I may be

1408
01:31:07,410 --> 01:31:12,240
able to expect to take this and
adapt my app to do something

1409
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:15,990
like this, that gives that gives
the same feeling but for my

1410
01:31:16,110 --> 01:31:19,800
audience in the way I want to do
things and then you can expand

1411
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:22,290
your user base that way I think
I think it's valuable, very

1412
01:31:22,290 --> 01:31:26,910
valuable. We're gonna do some
some donations booster grants.

1413
01:31:26,910 --> 01:31:27,360
Yes.

1414
01:31:27,750 --> 01:31:30,720
And thank you in advance
everybody who pre boosted and of

1415
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:34,050
course, you can go to podcast
index.org bottom of the page.

1416
01:31:34,170 --> 01:31:37,800
There's a big red button donate
button you can still reach us

1417
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:40,860
with your Fiat front coupons.
Almost no one does anymore. We

1418
01:31:40,860 --> 01:31:46,020
do appreciate those monthlies.
So we really lucked out really

1419
01:31:46,020 --> 01:31:48,120
appreciate the moment we blew
out the monthlies.

1420
01:31:48,300 --> 01:31:49,770
No, no, no, the

1421
01:31:50,460 --> 01:31:53,910
the Pay Pal is not used anymore.
Everyone's just boosting right

1422
01:31:54,089 --> 01:31:57,269
now. This was a strong Pay Pal
week. Oh, okay.

1423
01:31:57,270 --> 01:31:58,800
What happened? All right. We

1424
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:01,440
hit we hit it hard. I mean, I
don't know what the call went

1425
01:32:01,440 --> 01:32:04,410
out. Evidently. And I don't
think it was us. Maybe draft put

1426
01:32:04,410 --> 01:32:05,820
something in the chapters
because

1427
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:09,540
we got we got some help. Okay.
All right. All right.

1428
01:32:11,010 --> 01:32:15,360
The route I mean, right off the
top row voice blueberry

1429
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:17,490
podcasting says $250

1430
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:19,590
Wow, oh, my

1431
01:32:20,370 --> 01:32:25,110
Sakala 20 is blades on the
Impala. Nice. Thank

1432
01:32:25,110 --> 01:32:26,760
you. Very,

1433
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:30,120
thank you for what you were
doing the blueberry team. Oh,

1434
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:32,610
thank you, blueberry team. Thank
you, blueberry team. They're

1435
01:32:32,610 --> 01:32:33,540
a handsome team.

1436
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:41,850
They are the beautiful team.
Richard, he wakes me up, this is

1437
01:32:41,850 --> 01:32:49,110
anonymous is nice as soon as
$200. And he says it's been a

1438
01:32:49,110 --> 01:32:52,470
while. So I will send via old
style of transfer, still have

1439
01:32:52,470 --> 01:32:56,370
not been able to, I still have
not been able to understand how

1440
01:32:56,370 --> 01:32:58,740
I'm going to keep track of the
boost transactions for the IRS

1441
01:32:58,740 --> 01:33:02,070
effectively just helping out
anonymously, okay, so that's not

1442
01:33:02,070 --> 01:33:06,270
something you have to worry
about. For sending now. For

1443
01:33:06,270 --> 01:33:11,370
sending when you donate when you
when you give away SAS you

1444
01:33:11,370 --> 01:33:15,390
don't, that is not something
that you have to then convert to

1445
01:33:15,390 --> 01:33:19,200
monetary value it convert to US
dollar value at the moment, and

1446
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:23,400
then account for that as income
on your taxes. You are gifting

1447
01:33:23,910 --> 01:33:28,320
you're gifting that asset to
another person. And so it's it's

1448
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:31,920
it's a non transaction on your
point on your part. The

1449
01:33:31,950 --> 01:33:37,200
receiving party has to count
that as income at the value at

1450
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:40,560
that time. Right? Yes. So you
don't have to go through

1451
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:40,860
anything.

1452
01:33:41,009 --> 01:33:44,399
And also it's not a cheap it's
not charitable, therefore not

1453
01:33:44,399 --> 01:33:48,119
tax deductible in case that was
what you were saying. Yes, or no

1454
01:33:48,119 --> 01:33:52,799
charity dammit. We're going
broke in a capitalist way. I was

1455
01:33:52,799 --> 01:33:57,629
gonna say profit but no, no,
we'd like profit. We just don't

1456
01:33:57,629 --> 01:33:59,909
expect it. It's a difference.

1457
01:34:00,540 --> 01:34:05,280
Down the road. It's a mindset.
It's a mindset. Thank you very

1458
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:12,120
much evolving dollars. Got $100
from AD Ryan. Hey, radio Inc.

1459
01:34:12,180 --> 01:34:15,240
Oh, nice. Thank you, Ed. Yeah,
and he says Save the chickens

1460
01:34:24,990 --> 01:34:30,030
the The chickens are still
strong. They were still too they

1461
01:34:30,030 --> 01:34:32,640
were too strong in the back of
in the backyard when I get here.

1462
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:39,930
So we're still good. $100 from
New Media Productions. And it

1463
01:34:39,930 --> 01:34:45,300
says Hey, guys, Todd Cochran
here. No podcasting. Oh.

1464
01:34:48,540 --> 01:34:51,480
Wow. Professionally and
privately. Thank you, man.

1465
01:34:51,930 --> 01:34:54,870
This makes me think that this
makes me think that Todd doesn't

1466
01:34:54,870 --> 01:35:01,050
know that the blueberry team
donated $250 They just they

1467
01:35:01,050 --> 01:35:03,480
basically went, went into his
wallet when he wasn't looking.

1468
01:35:05,460 --> 01:35:07,800
Dollars ads not looking. I got
an idea.

1469
01:35:09,420 --> 01:35:13,470
He showed up to the office and
said, Hey guys, I donated $100

1470
01:35:13,470 --> 01:35:18,300
to podcasting. 2.0 And they're
like, oh, oh, okay.

1471
01:35:21,330 --> 01:35:25,800
It's so appreciated. I mean,
from Todd but also from his

1472
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:27,930
team. That's, that's really
nice. I like that. I mean,

1473
01:35:27,930 --> 01:35:30,060
that's how it's supposed to
work. This is how value for

1474
01:35:30,060 --> 01:35:33,600
value works. We come up with
shit, we host it and then they

1475
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:34,590
have to do all the work.

1476
01:35:36,270 --> 01:35:39,270
As a security professional
though, I would I do have to

1477
01:35:39,270 --> 01:35:41,520
recommend that Todd change his
Pay Pal password because his

1478
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:48,510
name is evidently is Brian $50
from our buddy Dave Jackson at

1479
01:35:48,510 --> 01:35:49,680
the School of podcasting. Hey,

1480
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:54,360
Dave Jackson, thank you so much.
Also, you know, he's, he's in

1481
01:35:54,570 --> 01:35:59,010
round two, podcasting. 1.0 He
taught 10s if not hundreds of

1482
01:35:59,010 --> 01:36:02,130
1000s of people how to podcast.
He's back doing it with

1483
01:36:02,130 --> 01:36:03,420
podcasting. 2.0

1484
01:36:03,750 --> 01:36:08,430
Throwing out videos. Good. Good,
fun discussion the other night

1485
01:36:08,430 --> 01:36:12,390
with the podcasting power.
Podcasting Power Hour.

1486
01:36:12,540 --> 01:36:17,340
Oh, yeah, I checked into that.
That was kind of interesting.

1487
01:36:18,150 --> 01:36:20,400
I don't like the format. I hate
Twitter spaces. No,

1488
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:24,450
I mean, either I what I think is
so funny is that you have people

1489
01:36:24,450 --> 01:36:28,170
who are listeners and then and
they just are they get to ask a

1490
01:36:28,170 --> 01:36:32,370
question and then just go on for
hours and hours about themselves

1491
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:37,950
is like I don't kind of like
that format that much is boring.

1492
01:36:37,980 --> 01:36:41,310
Yeah. Especially the guy is
like, why can talk I can no

1493
01:36:41,310 --> 01:36:43,320
problem talking. You see, I just
need to be able to hit one

1494
01:36:43,320 --> 01:36:45,300
button on my phone and that
button that just kind of did the

1495
01:36:45,300 --> 01:36:48,030
podcast got to be because I
that's what I need. I just could

1496
01:36:48,030 --> 01:36:50,400
I bet I could tell you I can
talk for hours and hours. That's

1497
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:51,030
not the problem.

1498
01:36:51,870 --> 01:36:54,810
Oh, that was like, Yes, I
believe that. Yeah, that is the

1499
01:36:54,810 --> 01:36:59,520
problem. Actually No shit. But
that yeah, that was that was

1500
01:36:59,550 --> 01:37:01,380
that was interesting. I
appreciate them asking me on and

1501
01:37:01,380 --> 01:37:06,060
fun, fun questions. Good. Good
chance to explain some value for

1502
01:37:06,060 --> 01:37:06,360
value.

1503
01:37:06,540 --> 01:37:10,920
You're always a pleasant voice
to listen to, in an interview.

1504
01:37:10,980 --> 01:37:14,430
Appreciate that. Yeah, it does
have a little bit of NPR vibe to

1505
01:37:14,430 --> 01:37:15,660
it, but in a good way. Does

1506
01:37:15,660 --> 01:37:17,820
it kind of Oh, yeah. No, no, but

1507
01:37:17,820 --> 01:37:22,560
in like a smoky cigar kind of
green visor kind of way. So it's

1508
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:27,000
like, imagine you dim the lights
and there's one naked ball now a

1509
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:31,380
desk lamp with one of those
flexible necks. And that Dave's

1510
01:37:31,380 --> 01:37:34,170
got his green visor on his in
front of his monitor. And he's

1511
01:37:35,820 --> 01:37:37,920
like, Well, let me tell you
about the namespace.

1512
01:37:38,430 --> 01:37:43,560
We've got a we've got a donation
from there it is listed in Berg.

1513
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:49,710
OYSTEIN bariga OYSTEIN bariga.
$49.99 Okay.

1514
01:37:49,710 --> 01:37:51,120
It's not working for me. Okay.

1515
01:37:51,150 --> 01:37:57,450
All right. Always, always done.
Bear sad. Boy, same bear. This

1516
01:37:57,450 --> 01:38:04,530
time better? I think so. Okay.
$49.99 Thank you. And the note

1517
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:06,330
is donation.

1518
01:38:07,500 --> 01:38:10,320
And our reply is thanks. It's
thank you

1519
01:38:12,540 --> 01:38:14,550
we got some boosts Yeah.

1520
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:17,400
Let's get some let's get our
bluestone

1521
01:38:17,850 --> 01:38:22,470
blueberry 1776 through
fountaining says snip first.

1522
01:38:22,740 --> 01:38:24,030
Okay, what that means I

1523
01:38:24,030 --> 01:38:26,250
don't know. Got it for

1524
01:38:26,970 --> 01:38:33,390
lavish synth 9999 and he threw
fountain needs to survival cash

1525
01:38:34,230 --> 01:38:39,300
What do I need gosh you're still
not following that. Mitch will

1526
01:38:39,300 --> 01:38:44,190
see as a test boost is a very
long complicated test boost

1527
01:38:45,780 --> 01:38:49,800
meanest meet us excuse me, said
3333 through fat and he says

1528
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:52,080
boost for humanity

1529
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:02,460
Roy scheinfeld

1530
01:39:03,300 --> 01:39:07,890
Roy is back now he he started
texting me very angry.

1531
01:39:08,190 --> 01:39:10,020
He did he was he was

1532
01:39:10,770 --> 01:39:14,100
always boost. I always boost
it's on day. This is all on

1533
01:39:14,100 --> 01:39:17,730
Dave. I'm gonna read it to you.
I'm gonna read it. I'm gonna

1534
01:39:17,730 --> 01:39:18,630
read it verbatim.

1535
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:22,110
He was not angry in his texted
me.

1536
01:39:22,770 --> 01:39:27,930
He says I can beat the Israeli
accent. Yes, I doubt him. I can

1537
01:39:27,930 --> 01:39:32,040
be distracted but I will never
forget to boost if you don't see

1538
01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:37,080
my boost. It's on Dave. I said I
sent you the boost to check.

1539
01:39:37,470 --> 01:39:40,140
This is not Israeli but this is
French.

1540
01:39:42,150 --> 01:39:47,760
I don't know what that was is
yeah, that's pay Panthers. My

1541
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:49,470
actual Hebrew sounds better than
that.

1542
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:54,540
Yes, it does. I've witnessed
your Hebrew it's actually quite

1543
01:39:54,540 --> 01:39:54,960
compelling

1544
01:39:56,220 --> 01:39:59,280
for a non for non Hebrew speaker
and that's right.

1545
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:09,240
54,321 SAS from Roy to read it.
Okay, he says Check out the new

1546
01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:13,200
podcast features in breeze next
my top podcasts and different

1547
01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:14,100
layouts.

1548
01:40:14,190 --> 01:40:18,780
Yeah, you can do tiled layout of
all the I love that I love the

1549
01:40:18,780 --> 01:40:22,440
tiled layout of all the images
to cover art because no agenda

1550
01:40:22,440 --> 01:40:26,400
always changes it's always
something different I love that

1551
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:29,010
tile as well and also the
improve something with the

1552
01:40:29,010 --> 01:40:34,200
syncing to the graph much faster
you know sometimes Yeah, with

1553
01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:36,630
Breeze you know, you'd you'd
start playing and it wouldn't be

1554
01:40:36,630 --> 01:40:39,990
paying anything like what's
going on you do you know, go to

1555
01:40:39,990 --> 01:40:41,700
a menu developer get info

1556
01:40:42,420 --> 01:40:44,670
in your phone start heating up.
Oh,

1557
01:40:45,060 --> 01:40:51,150
that's gonna that's my bug gets
hot. I know. I'm finally

1558
01:40:51,150 --> 01:40:56,100
sentenced. Let's just see. Thank
you, Roy.

1559
01:40:56,820 --> 01:40:59,490
And I also have a make good
because Roy did booths last

1560
01:40:59,490 --> 01:41:04,890
week. 54 321. I have yet to
decode the note though. Because

1561
01:41:04,890 --> 01:41:08,400
I ran out of time. So I have
there will be make good two.

1562
01:41:08,610 --> 01:41:11,280
There'll be double double make
good next week when I would

1563
01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:12,330
decode his note No.

1564
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:13,710
extra boost then.

1565
01:41:17,580 --> 01:41:23,400
I love you Reuters and it is
only 2500 SATs from Mike Dale

1566
01:41:23,670 --> 01:41:24,990
and he says go podcasting.

1567
01:41:25,020 --> 01:41:27,300
Yo Yo Yo yo yo go podcast.

1568
01:41:31,500 --> 01:41:35,520
Ga Orwell's in his one. Essay
1111 through fountain. He says

1569
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:38,010
Do you guys know how many
podcasts get on board to podcast

1570
01:41:38,010 --> 01:41:43,260
and to point out in a month? You
know,

1571
01:41:43,860 --> 01:41:49,650
can I stop for one second? There
is a delivery of beef. I just

1572
01:41:49,650 --> 01:41:50,160
want to grab

1573
01:41:50,160 --> 01:41:53,460
that. And go for it. From Texas
slim.

1574
01:41:53,850 --> 01:41:58,290
It is from KFC cattle. Yeah,
nice. Yeah. But here's the

1575
01:41:58,290 --> 01:42:04,050
conundrum. UPS was delivering
two things today. One is the

1576
01:42:04,050 --> 01:42:08,220
beef box. The other is a
birthday present that Tina

1577
01:42:08,220 --> 01:42:12,450
ordered for me. And she said You
absolutely cannot look at the

1578
01:42:12,450 --> 01:42:16,080
box. Because when you see the
box, you'll know what it is. And

1579
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:19,530
it won't be a surprise. And so
of course you see the bunks

1580
01:42:19,980 --> 01:42:25,410
well, so I saw the guy walk by
up to the front of the door and

1581
01:42:25,410 --> 01:42:30,570
Phoebe heard him too. And, and
so I went without my glasses,

1582
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:34,620
which I promised her. I peeked
through not the window itself,

1583
01:42:34,620 --> 01:42:37,890
but through the shade. And I can
see there's all kinds of boxes

1584
01:42:37,890 --> 01:42:40,320
so I can't pick it up. I'm gonna
have to wait until she comes

1585
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:43,710
home. I'm sure. I'm sure another
I'm sure another two and a half

1586
01:42:43,710 --> 01:42:47,640
hours won't ruin the beef. It's
not indirect. It's pretty it's

1587
01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:53,370
not direct sunlight so no
problem. They look everyone's

1588
01:42:53,370 --> 01:42:57,330
like what's in the box. Come on.
Come on. No, no, no, no lie. I

1589
01:42:57,330 --> 01:43:01,770
don't lie open the box. I'm not
going to do it. Spell it not

1590
01:43:01,770 --> 01:43:05,280
going to do it at all. In fact,
I'm gonna text my wife right

1591
01:43:05,280 --> 01:43:05,730
now.

1592
01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:13,050
These two grand 1330 C 13 337.
From the mere mortals podcast

1593
01:43:13,500 --> 01:43:17,520
through fountain in. Karen says
Dave putting on a clinic Jones.

1594
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:19,440
That's right. This was a cold
call me in high school.

1595
01:43:20,460 --> 01:43:21,720
Not a clinic. Really.

1596
01:43:21,780 --> 01:43:23,970
You know, that's what I said
last week. I said I'm going to

1597
01:43:23,970 --> 01:43:24,960
put on a clinic you

1598
01:43:25,890 --> 01:43:28,440
Ah yes, yes, yes. Yes.

1599
01:43:29,070 --> 01:43:36,360
11 111 from forged fo very gamer
name. Dismissed. You must be a

1600
01:43:36,360 --> 01:43:40,920
gamer. He or she through
fountain says I've got nothing

1601
01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:50,910
to say. All right. Well, thanks
Satoshi stream 55 5209. He, he

1602
01:43:50,910 --> 01:43:53,910
they have Satoshi stream says I
like podcast index.

1603
01:43:54,240 --> 01:43:57,690
We'd like you to thank you. We'd
like you Satoshi St.

1604
01:43:58,350 --> 01:44:02,460
Jean Everett 3333 through
fountain and he just says boost

1605
01:44:02,460 --> 01:44:05,970
with a couple of beers. Oops.
Sorry

1606
01:44:10,770 --> 01:44:11,700
I don't know what happened.

1607
01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:14,220
Let me try this

1608
01:44:21,030 --> 01:44:25,080
blaming creations. Everybody.
Andy sent us 1000 Sastre caster

1609
01:44:25,080 --> 01:44:27,690
Matic says you didn't hurt my
feelings. Dave. I said you could

1610
01:44:27,690 --> 01:44:31,950
leave it it wasn't a huge deal.
Okay. Thank you, Andy. I

1611
01:44:31,950 --> 01:44:36,120
appreciate that. I sent another
1000 sets. Thank you, Andy.

1612
01:44:36,120 --> 01:44:41,460
Appreciate it. Anonymous sent
3333 through pod verse and says,

1613
01:44:41,790 --> 01:44:45,330
Oh, this must free from the pod
verse team. Maybe Mitch says pod

1614
01:44:45,330 --> 01:44:47,700
verse mobile V for V is live in
F droid.

1615
01:44:48,059 --> 01:44:52,739
Yes, yes. Yes, it is. I'm really
digging it works Fanta except

1616
01:44:52,739 --> 01:44:57,539
for the streaming stats per
minute. It's responsive. It's I

1617
01:44:57,539 --> 01:45:01,949
love that it comes to F droid
Since I'm running graphing now

1618
01:45:01,949 --> 01:45:02,429
it's cool

1619
01:45:03,300 --> 01:45:07,080
1000 stats from Chad Pharaoh and
Chad says test boost from pod

1620
01:45:07,080 --> 01:45:12,480
verse on F Droid and success it
worked. Auburn Citadel sent 49

1621
01:45:12,480 --> 01:45:16,680
for 90 through fountain and he
says Dame Jennifer boost please

1622
01:45:17,250 --> 01:45:17,580
do

1623
01:45:18,510 --> 01:45:20,100
we have a gym Jennifer boost?

1624
01:45:20,310 --> 01:45:23,700
I have here's your cue to boost
you know you want to me that's

1625
01:45:23,700 --> 01:45:24,330
what it is.

1626
01:45:27,330 --> 01:45:31,260
Here's your boost you know you
want to

1627
01:45:31,950 --> 01:45:33,540
that's what everybody wants

1628
01:45:36,570 --> 01:45:41,010
4242 from pirate Hodel the
fountain he says plus one for

1629
01:45:41,010 --> 01:45:41,790
Team Nano.

1630
01:45:43,380 --> 01:45:45,390
No Emacs, Emacs.

1631
01:45:45,420 --> 01:45:51,720
No, no, that's crap. So when I
say Nano, I actually am using

1632
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:56,430
nano but when I when I run it,
what I type is Pico.

1633
01:45:57,480 --> 01:46:00,960
God that's the word pico pico no

1634
01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:03,480
now is an alias do

1635
01:46:03,480 --> 01:46:07,740
you use do you use pine pie so

1636
01:46:08,070 --> 01:46:12,090
you've never used pine no pine
the email client

1637
01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:15,900
have never used pine I've used
mud I've never use pine

1638
01:46:15,930 --> 01:46:20,610
you're much my go to but pine I
think pine specifically comes

1639
01:46:20,610 --> 01:46:24,150
with the PICO editor by default
I think

1640
01:46:25,380 --> 01:46:32,250
I will make standard and I'll do
this till the day I die. Is pico

1641
01:46:32,490 --> 01:46:38,430
dash W or no for no word wrap
like that. It's just it is

1642
01:46:38,430 --> 01:46:41,310
ingrained in my finger muscles
that that's that's all I can do.

1643
01:46:41,970 --> 01:46:44,670
Whereas I always start
everything up with Word Wrap

1644
01:46:45,510 --> 01:46:51,210
with Word Wrap yeah I do yeah.
Well wasn't pine was pine not

1645
01:46:51,210 --> 01:46:53,580
email was was pine messing it

1646
01:46:53,580 --> 01:46:57,180
up. That said pine comes with
Pico. I guess it is it may be as

1647
01:46:57,180 --> 01:46:59,970
the editor for for even for pine
email.

1648
01:47:00,990 --> 01:47:05,010
Yes What I thought but Pfeiffer
says pine is not email. I

1649
01:47:05,010 --> 01:47:10,320
thought pine was email. feel
dumb now?

1650
01:47:11,099 --> 01:47:12,539
I don't know. Well,

1651
01:47:12,630 --> 01:47:13,770
it's not that important.

1652
01:47:15,420 --> 01:47:16,200
Stop show.

1653
01:47:16,230 --> 01:47:18,960
No, don't stop. Please don't
stop the show. Whatever.

1654
01:47:18,990 --> 01:47:22,260
10,000 says from River City
mystery through faculty says

1655
01:47:22,260 --> 01:47:25,440
thank you for all you do for the
podcasting community. Appreciate

1656
01:47:25,440 --> 01:47:27,690
your efforts to ensure that
podcasting remains a platform

1657
01:47:27,690 --> 01:47:33,780
for free speech. Matt digue er
de da, de IG. I'm gonna say dig

1658
01:47:33,960 --> 01:47:37,140
that deep river city mystery
River City. mystery.com. All

1659
01:47:37,140 --> 01:47:42,300
right. Thank you, Matt.
Appreciate it. 3333 for starship

1660
01:47:42,300 --> 01:47:46,650
Alvis fountain and he says can't
wait for LIVE TAG functionality

1661
01:47:46,650 --> 01:47:48,750
and fountain mousse to do Bucha

1662
01:47:54,570 --> 01:47:59,370
rest of Calavera give us 2222
through fountain and he says no

1663
01:47:59,370 --> 01:48:02,700
gang what? Oh pew pew go pocket

1664
01:48:04,830 --> 01:48:09,780
where my emacs bros add where am
I? Where am I vi sisters that

1665
01:48:09,780 --> 01:48:11,610
come on what's going on? Here?

1666
01:48:11,940 --> 01:48:16,140
Is my name my nano sister from
another mister on the other end

1667
01:48:16,140 --> 01:48:20,580
here is the James Cridland 1001
SAS through fountain. He says

1668
01:48:20,580 --> 01:48:23,400
are you really quoting the apple
specification, which only ever

1669
01:48:23,400 --> 01:48:28,710
refers to Apple? Because it's
the apple spec? I love I love

1670
01:48:28,710 --> 01:48:34,710
this. The incredulity is
dripping off kind of are you

1671
01:48:34,710 --> 01:48:38,070
really quoting the apple
specification? Parentheses,

1672
01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:41,250
which only ever refers to Apple
because it's the apple spec

1673
01:48:41,310 --> 01:48:44,400
close parentheses to suggest
that Apple has written the spec

1674
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:48,000
for the whole podcasting. They
have not. They have written a

1675
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:52,170
spec for Apple podcast clients
only. That is literally all

1676
01:48:52,170 --> 01:48:57,840
Apple cares about. Yeah, I want
to just I just want to get wide

1677
01:48:57,840 --> 01:49:02,970
recognition here that I read
this booster Graham with the

1678
01:49:02,970 --> 01:49:08,850
full amount perhaps more amount
of incredulity and sarcasm.

1679
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:10,530
Yeah, he actually intended Yes,

1680
01:49:10,530 --> 01:49:13,020
you'll get credit for that. Yes,
well done. Okay. All done.

1681
01:49:13,050 --> 01:49:19,590
Yes. And yes, that's exactly
what I did. James 3960 SATs from

1682
01:49:19,710 --> 01:49:20,610
Casper Zealand.

1683
01:49:20,730 --> 01:49:23,670
Thank you. Denise says boost a
heart love

1684
01:49:23,670 --> 01:49:25,710
your unbelieving umbrella and
ventures. Thanks.

1685
01:49:27,510 --> 01:49:31,170
Yours are particularly fun your
umbrella adventures? Yeah.

1686
01:49:31,680 --> 01:49:36,060
Fun is not what I would call it.
Mitch 2222. This is one more

1687
01:49:36,060 --> 01:49:41,280
test boost. Got it. Mitch boost
Bucha 69 through Yale from Yale

1688
01:49:41,280 --> 01:49:44,490
through pod verse and he says
Hell yeah, pod verse Now beer

1689
01:49:44,490 --> 01:49:46,680
live cheers from Gitmo nation.
wienerschnitzel.

1690
01:49:48,420 --> 01:49:49,170
Nice.

1691
01:49:51,120 --> 01:49:56,610
See, that we get that there's
some test booths, okay.

1692
01:49:56,730 --> 01:50:00,330
Anonymous 4500 SATs through cast
ematic is make Get up for

1693
01:50:00,330 --> 01:50:03,090
playing the podcast with an
empty wallet. I rarely look at

1694
01:50:03,090 --> 01:50:04,050
the app or possible.

1695
01:50:05,400 --> 01:50:08,850
Yeah, when someone runs out of
SATs you gotta make that clear.

1696
01:50:08,910 --> 01:50:09,900
devs Yeah,

1697
01:50:10,350 --> 01:50:12,420
yeah, this should be like a
buzzer or something.

1698
01:50:13,590 --> 01:50:14,880
Yeah.

1699
01:50:15,570 --> 01:50:21,480
Three haptic feedback when your
wallet runs dry starship Elvis

1700
01:50:21,570 --> 01:50:25,230
again 3333 through fountain he
says keep doing what you do. We

1701
01:50:25,230 --> 01:50:30,180
will nice. See dubs 10,000 101.
From pod Oh through the podcast

1702
01:50:30,180 --> 01:50:36,090
index website. Hey. Says
boosting from podcast index.com

1703
01:50:36,090 --> 01:50:36,660
With lb.

1704
01:50:37,200 --> 01:50:38,550
Nice, fantastic.

1705
01:50:38,970 --> 01:50:43,860
Moritz from lb as soon as 2100
says through also through the

1706
01:50:43,860 --> 01:50:47,010
podcast index website. It says
Have fun at podcast moving in

1707
01:50:47,010 --> 01:50:50,010
Dallas, please spread the word
about podcasting 2.0 and value

1708
01:50:50,010 --> 01:50:51,390
for value we plan on

1709
01:50:51,420 --> 01:50:55,260
that's why we're going bro in to
spread the word.

1710
01:50:57,000 --> 01:51:01,170
Brian of London in the hive Dao
for 45,899

1711
01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:04,020
Nice nice. Thank you.

1712
01:51:04,050 --> 01:51:09,720
He's in he said some Hebrew. Oh,
and this is going to be yes.

1713
01:51:10,050 --> 01:51:12,960
Entertainment for Hebrew
speakers as I butchered this it

1714
01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:18,240
says the rev Tov Leeroy be mid
Benito

1715
01:51:18,390 --> 01:51:22,080
Arif Tov means good evening.
Almost like a missive. I can

1716
01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:25,050
find this because it did it go
through the email.

1717
01:51:26,100 --> 01:51:29,670
No, it came directly off the
node. It was a Bookstagram

1718
01:51:29,940 --> 01:51:31,470
Oh, but when when was it sent? I

1719
01:51:31,470 --> 01:51:34,170
guess is my question. I can copy
and paste it into single chat

1720
01:51:34,170 --> 01:51:36,510
and now you're talking. Let's
give it if you want to give it a

1721
01:51:36,510 --> 01:51:37,170
whirl.

1722
01:51:38,550 --> 01:51:44,280
Oh, here we go. Arif Toffler,
Roy B Mitch. So he's saying no,

1723
01:51:44,280 --> 01:51:44,610
it's

1724
01:51:44,610 --> 01:51:47,370
not a C that's a T naught v dash
v. And

1725
01:51:47,940 --> 01:51:51,300
now here's what he says is Good
evening, Roy. Meet Mitch. That's

1726
01:51:51,300 --> 01:51:58,020
exactly what it says. But is
that Oh, hello? Of course not. I

1727
01:51:58,020 --> 01:52:04,170
have no idea what it says. My
Hebrew is extremely limited.

1728
01:52:05,220 --> 01:52:07,410
Is it read Arif?

1729
01:52:08,550 --> 01:52:10,890
Arif Tov is good evening that I
actually know.

1730
01:52:11,400 --> 01:52:15,870
Okay, let's just do this was
Google Translate.

1731
01:52:16,020 --> 01:52:21,690
Oh, you really think you can you
just paste the translate from

1732
01:52:21,690 --> 01:52:25,980
Hebrew? Yeah, it works. Okay.
What is good evening to Roy in

1733
01:52:25,980 --> 01:52:27,840
his bed. Yeah, it was close.

1734
01:52:28,860 --> 01:52:31,320
There we go. That word.

1735
01:52:33,120 --> 01:52:35,580
We just pasted all those
squigglies into translate and it

1736
01:52:35,580 --> 01:52:40,920
did it. Oh, I know. I know. I
couldn't I forgot to read from

1737
01:52:40,920 --> 01:52:42,390
right to left. That was my
mistake.

1738
01:52:42,780 --> 01:52:47,490
That's what it was. is actually
Mitch and Mitch robe. Red.

1739
01:52:48,300 --> 01:52:54,780
Really good at Trump's got a
love grid. Jeff's got 55,555

1740
01:52:54,780 --> 01:52:56,610
SATs through fountain. Oh,
beautiful

1741
01:52:56,610 --> 01:52:57,990
drive. Thank you so much.

1742
01:52:58,950 --> 01:53:00,810
Do you want to know what the
boost message was? Course?

1743
01:53:01,110 --> 01:53:04,530
Boost booster. Got it. All
right.

1744
01:53:05,160 --> 01:53:08,460
And you get the baller. You get
the baller Tito

1745
01:53:08,490 --> 01:53:10,380
ballers ready. Alright,

1746
01:53:11,640 --> 01:53:19,110
Lyceum through fountain give us
221,905 sets

1747
01:53:20,310 --> 01:53:23,100
Sakala 20 is Blaze on a

1748
01:53:24,390 --> 01:53:26,130
quarter mil bro.

1749
01:53:26,550 --> 01:53:31,740
It is nine rescue and he says
rands day boost. What is rands

1750
01:53:31,740 --> 01:53:32,400
day Oh,

1751
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:33,420
I and Randy.

1752
01:53:34,680 --> 01:53:38,070
r a n d s de Ranz de i and Rand

1753
01:53:38,070 --> 01:53:41,850
Yeah. Hi. Nice. birthday or
something? I think so. Yeah.

1754
01:53:41,880 --> 01:53:43,920
What was what was the amount
again? Dave?

1755
01:53:44,550 --> 01:53:54,990
221 905-221-9519. Maybe? Let me
see. European format.

1756
01:53:55,140 --> 01:53:59,880
Iron Rand day. Let's, you know,
there's this thing. May 19.

1757
01:53:59,880 --> 01:54:04,410
Called the internet. Yeah, you
know, iron Rand days February 2.

1758
01:54:04,410 --> 01:54:07,470
So I don't know. That's. I don't
know what this is. Maybe talking

1759
01:54:07,470 --> 01:54:10,050
about Rand. You know, the
military industrial complex. I

1760
01:54:10,050 --> 01:54:12,510
don't know. Oh, wait, wait,
wait, wait, wait, was she born

1761
01:54:12,510 --> 01:54:17,700
in 1905? Oh, hold on a second.
Because this is two to 1905.

1762
01:54:18,810 --> 01:54:30,060
Let me see. Iron Rand was born
in 1905. No. Code. Nice. Well

1763
01:54:30,060 --> 01:54:31,440
done, Dave. Well done.

1764
01:54:31,440 --> 01:54:36,480
Thank you. Thank you. And Ron's
birthday February 2 1905. It was

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01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:42,450
the literally the second line of
the histogram of waste. Okay,

1766
01:54:42,450 --> 01:54:44,940
please buy beer for James
Crillon for adding the booths

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01:54:44,940 --> 01:54:48,210
number to the histogram
numerology pays page. Best

1768
01:54:48,210 --> 01:54:51,030
premise with your presentation
at Podcast Movement in Dallas,

1769
01:54:51,090 --> 01:54:54,720
go podcasting Martin lindskog co
host of the secular foxhole

1770
01:54:54,720 --> 01:55:00,900
podcast, podcast. Thank you so
much, Mark. appreciate that so

1771
01:55:00,900 --> 01:55:03,930
much. The delimiter comma street
blogger

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01:55:03,960 --> 01:55:05,220
guy there he is.

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01:55:06,690 --> 01:55:11,640
33 And he says, howdy datamined
Dave likelihood of World War

1774
01:55:11,640 --> 01:55:15,090
Three still is significantly
higher. Evil Russia invaded

1775
01:55:15,090 --> 01:55:18,510
whole Ukraine. So please enter
AI duck cooking in your web.

1776
01:55:19,680 --> 01:55:20,130
Yes,

1777
01:55:20,370 --> 01:55:22,500
this is because this will save
the world you see.

1778
01:55:24,120 --> 01:55:25,800
Philosophy this non sequitur

1779
01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:33,330
is Putin getting you down? What
AI dog cooking into your browser

1780
01:55:33,510 --> 01:55:35,700
and everything will go away.

1781
01:55:36,780 --> 01:55:45,240
Make Putin angry enter AI dot
cookie into the sea. So please

1782
01:55:45,240 --> 01:55:48,750
enter AI cooking in your web
browser or podcatcher to relax

1783
01:55:48,750 --> 01:55:53,100
from that looming war with silky
voice with silky voice of Gregor

1784
01:55:53,100 --> 01:55:56,580
who will William Forsythe
Foreman from kin so podsafe Yes,

1785
01:55:56,610 --> 01:56:00,810
with Rocco's best Liske Yo, what
is Rocco's? Bessell Liske?

1786
01:56:01,200 --> 01:56:02,880
I don't know but

1787
01:56:03,030 --> 01:56:07,740
I'm not looking. We've been to
many searches on this.

1788
01:56:08,490 --> 01:56:13,440
I also I do the intro for that
just you know, he never mentions

1789
01:56:13,440 --> 01:56:18,150
me for AI. Yeah, all I do is I
say that episode number, a

1790
01:56:18,150 --> 01:56:19,830
podcast about cooking No.

1791
01:56:21,780 --> 01:56:26,910
Never listen to the listen to
the silky voice of data from the

1792
01:56:27,150 --> 01:56:31,740
database never know. I think he
has to make good on that.

1793
01:56:33,270 --> 01:56:34,440
We got some monthlies.

1794
01:56:35,640 --> 01:56:38,640
Please Okay, thank you everybody
for thank you everybody for

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01:56:38,640 --> 01:56:43,890
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using the apps new podcast

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streaming sites. We have lift
off we love you.

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David Norman our buddy a
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$22.20 Thank you, Paul.
Appreciate you. Damon. Damon

1801
01:57:06,510 --> 01:57:10,410
Cassidy Jack $15. longtime
supporter, thank you, Damon.

1802
01:57:10,740 --> 01:57:15,750
Jeremy Garrett's $5 Timothy
Hudgens, my buddy $25 and Thomas

1803
01:57:15,750 --> 01:57:17,670
Sullivan Jr. $5

1804
01:57:17,790 --> 01:57:21,360
and thank you all so much and a
reminder that some of you may be

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01:57:21,360 --> 01:57:26,250
eligible for a podcasting 2.0
certified t shirt, depending on

1806
01:57:26,250 --> 01:57:31,050
your on your donation amounts.
What's the what's the 125 is

1807
01:57:31,050 --> 01:57:32,100
that the level Dave?

1808
01:57:33,300 --> 01:57:35,370
That's $125 120 Fest. That's

1809
01:57:36,270 --> 01:57:41,400
correct. So if any of you go
into Podcast Movement, you know

1810
01:57:41,460 --> 01:57:44,940
maybe something look cool and
just saying, Hey, do we have any

1811
01:57:44,970 --> 01:57:47,310
we can wear any cool to you? Are
we going to coordinate Bobbsey

1812
01:57:47,310 --> 01:57:52,920
Twins style Hi. Random a day
random a day. How about I have

1813
01:57:53,130 --> 01:57:55,440
I'm with him and you do with
him?

1814
01:57:57,810 --> 01:58:00,540
It's just about podcasting. 2.0

1815
01:58:01,830 --> 01:58:05,070
It says on the front it says
asked me about podcasting. 2.0

1816
01:58:05,250 --> 01:58:08,160
on the back it says boost me
bitch I'm telling you this.

1817
01:58:09,780 --> 01:58:10,860
That's that's how we should

1818
01:58:12,930 --> 01:58:15,180
you almost let that out of the
bag. I'm glad you pulled it

1819
01:58:15,180 --> 01:58:15,600
back.

1820
01:58:16,770 --> 01:58:19,830
That was that was actually gone.
That was actually an accident.

1821
01:58:19,860 --> 01:58:22,110
Okay, I'll tell you what
happened. This is very bad. I

1822
01:58:22,110 --> 01:58:25,920
spit on my screen when I said
boosting. Like Like, just rub

1823
01:58:25,920 --> 01:58:28,440
that off with my finger. That
screen. It is a touchscreen.

1824
01:58:28,470 --> 01:58:28,980
Yes.

1825
01:58:29,010 --> 01:58:32,550
Yeah. You saved that one from
disaster. Because that's for

1826
01:58:32,550 --> 01:58:33,480
episode 100.

1827
01:58:34,230 --> 01:58:38,010
Hey, it's coming up two more
episodes. 100 It's gonna be fun.

1828
01:58:38,010 --> 01:58:39,060
What are we doing for our one?

1829
01:58:39,210 --> 01:58:42,900
record something that's very
innocuous and innocent. To

1830
01:58:42,900 --> 01:58:44,730
counteract with the math jingle?

1831
01:58:45,270 --> 01:58:50,730
Yeah, yeah. Okay, good. Listen,
the introduction at Griffith or

1832
01:58:50,730 --> 01:58:56,670
something? Yes. Dave, Jennifer
informed informed me earlier

1833
01:58:56,670 --> 01:59:01,950
that we, you know, it was it's
terrible that episode 100 is not

1834
01:59:02,040 --> 01:59:04,740
the episode we're doing our
podcast movement when we've

1835
01:59:05,190 --> 01:59:06,810
we've hit the off by one
problem.

1836
01:59:08,970 --> 01:59:10,560
Right. We couldn't Well, Oh,
well.

1837
01:59:10,920 --> 01:59:13,980
It could have been could have
been great. Yeah.

1838
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:16,230
And we're just gonna it's just
gonna be you and me. Right? No

1839
01:59:16,230 --> 01:59:18,630
guests. We're not We're not by
anyone. weaselly an interaction.

1840
01:59:18,750 --> 01:59:20,640
Okay, now they can stay in the
hall.

1841
01:59:20,730 --> 01:59:23,340
Exactly. Now, we should have
like monitors outside in the

1842
01:59:23,340 --> 01:59:26,490
hall. So I can sit there and
listen to us. The overflow room

1843
01:59:26,520 --> 01:59:30,960
overflow room. All right. Do we
have anything else? Jennifer?

1844
01:59:32,040 --> 01:59:36,180
Thank you so much for of course,
for being here. Thank you for

1845
01:59:36,180 --> 01:59:39,180
offering your help with the
hackathon. Thank you for

1846
01:59:39,180 --> 01:59:43,530
becoming the dame of the pink
database. And but just thank you

1847
01:59:43,530 --> 01:59:47,160
for being a really super nice
person. And and always jumping

1848
01:59:47,160 --> 01:59:51,720
in and your your good energy,
real good energy. We really

1849
01:59:51,720 --> 01:59:52,560
appreciate that.

1850
01:59:52,800 --> 01:59:53,550
Thank you,

1851
01:59:54,360 --> 02:00:00,510
Dave. A little less good energy,
but I do love you brother. No,

1852
02:00:00,750 --> 02:00:05,820
no don't hit me with everybody
that's it boosts a lot. You

1853
02:00:05,820 --> 02:00:08,070
helped them Jennifer out as
well. We'll see you next time at

1854
02:00:08,070 --> 02:00:10,680
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