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podcasting 2.0 for November
19 2021, episode 63 we're

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hovering at 500 feet that is,
hello everybody. Tom once again

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for the board meeting. We're all
the directors, join hands every

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single Friday and discuss
everything happening in

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podcasting. 2.0 a podcast
index.org the podcast namespace,

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and of course, all the genius
ideas that are being developed

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now at podcast index social. I'm
Adam curry here in the heart of

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Texas Hill Country and in
Alabama, the man who creates all

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directories as root, my friend
on the other end, Mr. Dave

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Jones,

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he tried to get me to try and
get me angry before the show.

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How can I mess with Dave? I
know.

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Yeah, thanks. It's a little bit
of a different schedule for us.

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We usually record at noon and
this is 230 30.

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Did we did we alert everybody
else? Because I think people

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arrange their their Fridays
around the show sometimes.

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Because after all, you know it
is a weekly board meeting

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everyone. It is mandatory.
Mandatory attendance, obviously.

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Oh, yeah. Clearly Yeah,
absolutely. I don't think we

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told everybody this. Everybody's
just gonna be standing out in

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the lobby. Like just like, what
was the door locked?

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Let me in. Let me in. Yeah.

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I mean, there's no coffee, what
was going on here. So we started

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to leave the office to come to
this dish on the lunch break.

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And so as I was leaving a little
bit late, and then on my way

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out, I'm like, oh, I need to go
do a couple things in server

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room real quick. Walk in there.
Notice that there's a there's a

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battery ups we got a rack of UPS
is we don't have tons of on

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premise equipment, but we do
have some. So we have a rack of

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VPs and I noticed there's a
light on one of them. And I

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didn't have not gotten an alert
about it. Oh, so it must it must

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have just happened. Like Like
literally, you know, of course.

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The minute you're ready to walk
out the door is when the lights

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go Winky blinking of course,
this dude, dude named Ben law.

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We all know it yet.

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So I'm like, Okay, well, I mean,
I'm good. I'll go ahead and I'll

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just pop this this battery pack
out. And then I'll go get I'll

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go get the battery pack rebuilt
after and after my lunch break

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on the way back to the office.
And so I go to pull it out. And

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I get it gets about halfway out.
It will not come out. I mean, I

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spent

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this is some sexy some sexy
battery talk here doing. So let

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me just get this straight. So
you pulled it halfway out. You

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couldn't get it out? Oh my gosh.

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It would the rest of it. The
rest of it will not come out. It

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was it. So the batteries in it's
a four. It's a four battery

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pack. And so the batteries in
the front were fine. One of the

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batteries in the back. were
swollen. Oh so big that it

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wouldn't it would not come out.

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Or you got to be careful of
that. But I'm just saying Can

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you can you turn your mic down
just a little bit your your

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splattering on me today. Oh my
super hot. Yeah. Dave you're

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always hot. Okay, how

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about Yeah,

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that's great. Thank you. That's
great. So you got to be careful

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of those. It's especially if
it's swollen.

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It's not a good look. That's not
good.

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Oh, I don't trust those at all.

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Well, I ended up having to get
those lead acid batteries.

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Are they?

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Yeah, no, they're Yeah, they're
lead. It's uh, I was trying

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everything I got a

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bunch of details. See,

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like these days a 12 volt 12
volt what are they they look

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like those alarm system
batteries that the small boxes

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turned on their side is I think
I think they're 12 volt unit

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let you slide them in. I have
them on the doors I think.

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Yeah, so like there's like four
of them. Yeah, in series. Yeah.

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And I get the the screwdriver
can't get it out. Bigger

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screwdriver will come out now
just drill

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into it man just drill into

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acid spew all over my face. You
know? Like I'm the former, you

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know, from a sort of former
former Soviet dictator This is

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the stuff that people have eight
people in the office don't

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realize the harrowing situations
the the time in the interruption

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of life that sis admins go
through almost died down easily,

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easily. I mean, if it wasn't the
Rona, then the lead acid battery

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will get you I mean, it's just
and all them thinking they can

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fix you with a pizza. I mean,
it's just crazy.

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It's crazy. Yeah, but now
finally just finally jammed this

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wire cutter like side cutters in
there and just like, you know,

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gave it the old heave ho and
it's like, bam, it just popped

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out.

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Thank goodness he still got to
go back and fix that situation

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then later after the show. Yeah,
pretty much. Well, thank you

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see, just before we started
tastes like I'm not I'm going to

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tell you this. I'll tell it on
the show. And it's good to know

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because this is a rule for all
podcasters. And sometimes we do

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have assessors here who look
into the board meeting. Oh,

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yeah. That's not SS or what do
you call it? That's the European

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name. Would you call it a? If
you when you monitor a college

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class, you're a auditor.
Auditor. There you go. Yeah.

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Even better. It never talked
about stuff beforehand. It

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sucks. It will ruin it. And and
message to Kyron because

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Karen's, he's gonna have me on
mere mortals. Which Oh, yeah,

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I'm excited about that. Because
he's, I want to do something

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different than all the questions
everybody asked him like, oh,

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man, I don't think anyone has
has not asked me something. But

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good luck. Yeah, but that's
okay. Cuz, you know, it depends.

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You know, if you get me started,
we both might be surprised. But

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he's like, yeah, and I'll call
you and we'll run through what

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we're going to talk about. No,
no, no,

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no. Yeah, that's when I was on
survival podcast a few months

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ago. Jack Sparrow had me fill
out like this form, like, what

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do you want to talk about here?
You know, hit some questions.

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I'm like, I don't want to do
this. Like this is no, it's not.

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Yeah. You don't want to ask the
priest near the pre question or

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the what is it? The pre
interview, you don't want to

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have the pre entry

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interview? You know, Dave Jones,
you are a real podcaster. Man.

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You're a real one. You were born
for this. Did you not realize

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how born you were for this? I
never realized it. Did you ever

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do any any college radio? And
he? No,

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no. I never realized until I
tried to get the battery pack. I

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realized I'm not made for
sysadmin

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Oh my goodness. It's a learning
day today, isn't it? This is

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fabulous. It is. So the most
exciting thing for me this week

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was heli pad, which you gave me
a sneak preview of and I know

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you're you're frustrated by it,
particularly because you go on

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vacation for for a week. Yeah,
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be gone next week. Yep. Yeah. So

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when do you leave Monday? No, we
leave tomorrow. Go good. So we

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won't have a show next, or we
won't have just no board

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meeting. For next week. That's
gonna be tough. I don't know

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what we're all done. Maybe I'll
just release an hour and a half

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of Nice playing bucks, fizz and
ABA and since we have such a

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playlist now. Thanks, Jeremy.
Theramin books? Oh, my goodness,

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I can hook it up. Yeah. All
right. Let's

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face covers on there. My Friday
just

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opened up. Okay, nice. Bucks is
on the Theramin. So I know you

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want to get this all work in all
perfect. And initially when when

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you gave me the first code, it's
like, okay, it started to work

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pretty well. For 30 seconds.
Yeah, for a little bit there.

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And then. And then you had the
new code. And this was fun,

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because I installed the new
code, which took me a little bit

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because of course, Operator
error forgot to use sudo all

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this stuff. And then I said,
Yeah, I said, Dave, I'll just

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reboot it. You say yeah, but
don't you have that too late? I

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already rebooted it comes back
out, nothing's working. I had

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now have three, three external
drive images. Alright. And Alex

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gates, very kindly had sent me a
link about oh, this is how you

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do the logical drive and map it
that way. And I looked at it why

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did you do it? No, no, no, of
course not. Of

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course now, because I figured I
just want to know if I got the

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node back up and running to the
site, which means I had to start

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because what happens is, I had
this it's actually the external

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drivers, you EMI II, I can't
remember why I named it that. So

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then I got a UMP two, and a one.
And then I got you, me too. And

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each time that happens, you have
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There'll be slash media slash
Adam, I think slash U MMI. E

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three, a two in this case. And
then you have to start the

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script. But then it'll say, Oh,
I can't do it. Because this

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Docker is already right. And you
got to delete all these

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containers. And then you delete
these containers and it actually

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in use, keep starting it up each
time. And they'll say no, and

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you can see all the ones that
are being recreated and it

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works. And then it stops. You
got to delete that with it is a

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crazy process. But I figured
that out, and I have it running.

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And I am receiving some booster
grams, some of the time. But

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it's kind of sporadic. And and I
think that Well, you can explain

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it better night can I got it to
work because you said the

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database is written as root and
not writable. So nothing can

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really happen. So I change the
owner change the permissions and

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stuff started to work right
away, but it's kind of sketch.

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So I guess that's it's just it's
not quite where it has to be

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what happened?

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So the Yeah, what you just said
that it's all boils down to a

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database issue. There were a
couple of bugs that they were

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easy to fix. I mean, they
weren't showstoppers by any

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means. But what so the way this
works is, we is you take your

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binary or your Your script or
whatever this app is going to

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be, essentially the app as the
app is just your software in

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whatever form it takes, packaged
as a Docker image. And then you

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give Umbral a, what's called a
Docker compose file.

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Yeah. D compose dot yml. Yes,
doctor desk. Exciting. Yes, I

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got to edit that myself. That's

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terrifying. But you give it the
Docker compose file, and you put

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it in a certain directory. So
you put it in apps, slash, this

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is all within the Umbral file
system. You put it in apps slash

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podcasting, two point
podcasting, two Oh, dash boosts.

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And so that's the name of this,
this, this the underlying name

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of this app. So then you put
this Docker compose file in

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there the Docker compose as some
configuration parameters in it,

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and one of them is the is the
Docker image. Did it's going to

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pull in to install Yes. So you
give it that you give it that

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Docker compose file, and then
you run a script called App. And

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you do app space install space,
podcasting, 20 Dash boosts. And

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so then it looks and finds the
Docker compose file, pulls the

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Docker image from Docker Hub,
and runs it. And in the process

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gives it the the appropriate
environment variables and

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runtime parameters that it needs
that you specified in Docker

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Compose. So that's all great.
One of the parameters in there

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is to mount a volume on the
host. So you have so you

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imagine, okay, this, there's
this file system here. And

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within the Umbral directory
system, one of the folders is

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called app dash data. Inside the
app desk data folder is a sub

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folder for each installed app.
So that means podcasting. 20

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Dash boost gets a sub folder by
default in there just gets auto

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created. All good, still all
fine. It gets created with the

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appropriate ownership and
permissions. When the Docker

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image runs for the podcasting 20
Boost app, it automatically

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mounts volume on the host. So
the so what you end up with is

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this app dash data slash
podcasting 20 Dash boost slash

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data folder slash

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SQ light slash yet

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data that was yeah, that was
kind of irrelevant, because it's

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just sub folders of stuff. But
so the what is what this is

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doing is it's it's it's taking a
folder on the host system, which

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in this case is the Umbral and
presenting that folder to the

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app as if it's as if it's in as
if it's the Apps folder, you can

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use. It's essentially a shared
folder between the between the

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Docker image and the host. If
you didn't have that, because

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the way Docker image works is
with excuse me, the way Docker

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works is every time you restart
an image, it's like you built a

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whole brand new computer all
over again. So everything gets

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wiped back to factory default
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So what would happen is if you
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Got it? Yeah. Okay. So what's
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reason, the Docker, Docker, when
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create this file inside its
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file as root.

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oh, we have an update, new shit
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happening is it was not writing,
add add a path problem. So it

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getting built inside the image
by accident. Ooh, okay. That was

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fixed in pretty quick. Then what
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database file out to the shared
the shared data folder, but it

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was writing it but when the
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the owner is root. And so nobody
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to it. What I don't understand.
I still don't understand this is

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that it must be something with
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execute bit is set, but not the
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that. I'm not real sure. But it
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database to be created. But it
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Are you sure because I could
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folder was written as actually
but that the everything inside

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it was written as a as root

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on mine, that that might be the
case on yours own mine, what it

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does is, is even the Data folder
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everything by default inherits
that below it. So, in the same

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thing is happening on Oh no,
Brian of London is is a boon to

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me, excuse me his Umbral is
doing the same thing. And so I

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thought well, okay, you know, I
thought it was my issue inside

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with building the image and
everything, and I've just beat

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my head against the wall, trying
all these different techniques

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to get this ownership to be
different. And I mean, it's been

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a total fail at this point, I
cannot get the data folder to be

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created as the appropriate as
the as the Umbral user and not

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as root. The here's what I think
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point. I think that if this was
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Store, properly through through
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would be correct. I think what's
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root because we're doing it,
we're running it as sudo. Right.

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so I think our internet, I think
it's just an artifact of

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installing this thing, sort of
sideloading and not going

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through the official Umbral App
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I'm trying to confirm that with
the Umbral guys, but I can't get

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anybody to respond to him in
their support channels. That's

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just his total guess at this
point. That that's a long,

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boring story, just to say that
it's like, it's like, 99% of the

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way there and I can't get that
last freakin 1%. Done,

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right. It's interesting, because
I was just looking up at my my

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folder structure, and the Data
folder. I thought I had changed

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it, it may not make any
difference. If I if I change the

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permissions and the ownership of
the database itself doesn't

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matter. If that's in a folder
that is owned by route.

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It could pin it on the way that
don't the way that the folder

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permissions are set.

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Alright, well, I just I just
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route route. It was

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group route. So you were in your
Umbral folder in the app. I was

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I was actually in there. I
didn't get stuck. I was able to

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pull out

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your battery's worse. Well, no.
Okay, so if you get so you were

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in there in the sub folder for
podcasts? 20 Boost Yeah. And you

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say your data folder was root.

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Actually the SQ light folder.
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the Data folder I changed the
atom with full permissions and

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now and the database itself was
Adam for permissions but the SQ

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light folder that the database
file is in was not that was root

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so I just changed that. Could
somebody please boost me?

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Dude, do it now? I'm not see
your you must be running in an

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older image or something?
Because I don't I'm not even

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creating that SQLite folder
anymore. Oh, really? Should your

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database should be living
directly in the Data folder?

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Hmm. It's surprising that you
even have a SQLite folder. We've

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just lost half the listeners
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I don't I don't know if it's
boring. I think it's kind of

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fun. Can I just move that
database? No, I just restart the

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image then. And then it would
all work magically reboot the

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server and wait on the shutter
while you fix your IMEI or

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whatever. Well,

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what I will say and Tina had a
front row seat, she said wow,

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cuz I said she said what are you
doing? You know, when I'm typing

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rate ferociously, and I'm not
listening to anything I've been

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sucked into the screen to do

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and I was literally giving you
commands to run through signal.

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Oh, yeah.

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And Anna like, Dave and I are
working on heli pad. Two. She

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knows what that is. She says,
Okay, what's going? Well, it

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broke just Oh no. And she's
like, Oh my God. No, no, this is

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this is what we do. This is the
fun part. Is it you know Dave

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trying to command me like I'm
the stewardess flying 747 given

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me commands all right, flaps one
Okay. From airplanes you see

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that big red knob pull that one
back? I enjoy that part of the

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process immensely. As you know,
I was in bed SSH in from my

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phone.

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You were just saying yes. And I
don't know. I'm like, oh wait

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crap. You're doing this from a
phone. Oh my god, you're blowing

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my brains out.

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Terminus man, Terminus works
perfectly. I'm proficient with

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it. I'm proficient. Well, good.
So I I'll, after the show, I'll

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definitely try the every I mean,
it's working. I've seen it work.

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I see boosts come in, I can send
something but it's completely

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wonky. So

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it's, I think it's every time
the image restarts, everything

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just goes, it just goes haywire.
Again, even if you set the

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permissions and all that stuff.
It's just not it's not stable.

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It's just completely unstable.

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Yeah. All right. We'll just have
to wait a week, then. Hope you

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enjoy your vacation, huh?

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Yeah, it'd be good to see stuff
like this for my own mental

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health. Because I know that I'm
gonna, this is gonna be like,

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eating away at me the entire
time. I'm gonna I'm just gonna

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be like, No, you know,

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I had to talk when we first
launched it. I think that was a

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Wednesday, we could go and any
or some it wasn't working and

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was complicate whatever it was.
And then the next morning, it

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was working, then it wasn't
working. I don't know exactly

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what it was. But I remember
having to because it was show

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day Thursday morning. Like I
have to, I can't do this. Now.

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If I if I try and re install or
whatever it is, I want to do

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with the time I will screw up
the no agenda show. I had to

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walk, go outside and walk around
to calm myself down and get over

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it.

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When you were asking me about
that. On Wednesday night,

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Thursday morning, I was like, I
was like, no, no, don't you need

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to walk away?

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Yeah, it was. It was really
hard. I had to I had to really

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push my and I, you know, because
I know that. It was probably my

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whole note at that point is like
I know how but Sats are coming

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in. I'm missing the SATs and
people get error messages. I had

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to talk myself off a big ledge
their big lead.

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Yeah. No, I know. I know that
feeling.

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So to switch gears, yeah, good.
It feels like podcasting. 2.0

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features are popping up
everywhere in the commercial

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landscape. Only. They're not
podcasting 2.0 features. You

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know, there's I think the people
are seeing all of the adoption

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of Well, I mean, this there's
this commercial versions of

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chapters, there's commercial
versions of comments I saw

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Danone afforded me an email from
good good pods, good pods, and

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good pods, oh, I've got
something fantastic. Now in the

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good pods app, you can configure
a payment method. And then users

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using the app can just click on
it, whether it's Patreon or

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PayPal, or whatever it is, like,
yeah, that's called the funding

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tag in podcasting. 2.0. It's
like we've had that for a while.

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So all these things start
popping up. And they're all in

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their own little silos. And I
just want to make a big call out

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to everybody and say, your
strategy is flawed. There's

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enough historical evidence that
your strategy is flawed, and you

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can get the same. You get the
same benefit from using the

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namespace features. And you can
still it can still be your own

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shit. You know, it's still all
in your app. You still compete

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with whatever you've got. But
you're silly. You're silly. If

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you do it that way.

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Let me make you feel better
because I had two good. Actually

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three good conversations this
past week. One with Mike over at

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red circle. A really good guy
Fun, fun conversation. Where

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are they located?

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Mike is in Cincinnati, I think.
I don't know. You're living on

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the air in Cincinnati.
Cincinnati. GRP.

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See, I'm not sure where they're
where they're sort of

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headquartered at or if they've
even have one, but he's in

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Cincinnati. I talked with the
guys from clever.fm

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Yes, I heard actually, I heard a
very good interview that James

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Cridland did on pod land and
crystallin was all over the

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pushing the podcasting. 2.0
which I heard a lot of Yes, of

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course, we're going to do that.
Yeah.

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Had great Yeah, great. Talk with
him. Tell me they're They're

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good guys. They're gonna they're
gonna be doing stuff. I don't

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want to be too specific about
any of this stuff. Because I

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don't want to like Sure, sure.

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But they already use the index
for they already use the index,

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don't

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they? Yeah, they used APR. Yeah.
Cool. It's so then they're going

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to be doing some be using some
pockets, 2.0 features to bring

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it you know, for their service
and everything. And then what

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did they want from you? It was
Sean and Sean and servi. Over

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there, they're just wanting to
know, they want to ask me some

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questions about just different
things. Just make sure that they

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had their understanding right
now stuff worked excellent. And

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then they're also telling me
about a couple of weird issues.

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They found with the API that
they're actually really good.

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I'll talk about one of them real
quick. So the way the API works,

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the way the pockets index API
works with With Prower, it tries

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to figure out how fast to pole
feeds using just a very simple

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algorithm. So the algorithm is
something like this. If you is,

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the more episodes you see in the
feed, crammed into a shorter

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amount of time, up the priority
flag on that feed to pull it

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quicker. That makes sense.
Meantime between episodes.

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That's it. That is a good read
it now.

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Hey, that's why there's two of
us. Okay.

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Yeah, I don't have a pin. Don't
want that. Okay. Um, I

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mean time between episodes. Yes.
In TB. That's a that's a

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aviation term. Meantime.
Meantime. Meantime, before

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overhaul.

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Okay. It's also a hard drive
term, meantime, between failure.

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MTBF is the common way to rank
hard drive. Durability. Yeah,

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there you go. Yeah, okay. I like
this. So you essentially takes

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the MTBE turns that into a
number into an into a just an

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integer. And the higher the
number, the faster it poles,

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right? There's certain there's
certain fields in in the index.

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Is it that publish a new item
like once an hour, so they're

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publishing very quickly, so they
get updated a lot. But they

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don't get updated a lot because
they they replace there only is

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ever one episode in the feed.
They just got one. Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah. It's which, which is it's
a use case. I can see it. I can

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see many use cases for that.
Sure.

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Sure. It's like an hourly news
show or something like that.

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From NPR is the one that did oh,
yeah, in

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fact, I subscribe to that.
Alright, but I get it on the

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freedom controllers, I see it in
my in my river of news and not

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in the podcast app.

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Okay, so they that that thing
doesn't is not updating properly

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because there's no the algorithm
fails on it. It doesn't it

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doesn't know what to do. It's
All Over the Map understood.

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I've got to go in there and and
put in some an exception for

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that use case. Anyway, so they
they were telling me about that

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00:27:13,620 --> 00:27:19,080
some other stuff. Good. Good.
Talking with them. And then

436
00:27:20,490 --> 00:27:24,810
there's some talk to some to
another host. Is one account is

437
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:29,760
escaping me. Remember in a
second but lots of Oh Amira is a

438
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,730
castle Tata Stacy over a cast.
She was asking about some stuff.

439
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,790
How she doing? She She? She did
it over there.

440
00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:40,740
Yeah, I mean, I'm like, I want
to get Stacy in daycares folks

441
00:27:40,740 --> 00:27:43,500
on the show, but they're not
really doing any podcasts in 2.0

442
00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:45,330
stuff and like, well, you know,
what

443
00:27:45,330 --> 00:27:48,270
do you what's wrong with you?
What's wrong with them? What are

444
00:27:48,270 --> 00:27:52,260
these doing drugs all day? Like?
Come on, get on, people.

445
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,210
Nothing but a bunch of druggies
over there. But they, yeah, so

446
00:27:57,210 --> 00:28:00,060
they're asking some stuff about
about integration. Listen,

447
00:28:00,060 --> 00:28:04,410
podcasts, podcasts index stuff.
So there's a lot of a lot of

448
00:28:04,410 --> 00:28:09,180
papatasi stuff. Positive energy.
Yes, yes. And a lot of people

449
00:28:09,180 --> 00:28:12,330
are figuring things out, you
know, sort of just not in a

450
00:28:12,330 --> 00:28:16,650
public way. And I think we're
gonna see more. I think we're

451
00:28:16,650 --> 00:28:21,300
just gonna see, just this
continued, snowballing of people

452
00:28:21,810 --> 00:28:24,690
doing it. I think people see
good ideas and they recognize

453
00:28:24,690 --> 00:28:24,900
them.

454
00:28:24,930 --> 00:28:28,410
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And I
was so delighted to hear the

455
00:28:28,410 --> 00:28:30,930
interview. Who was it arm from
clever FM.

456
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:34,410
Oh, that was Sean and servi.

457
00:28:35,340 --> 00:28:39,510
Must have been Sean. I was just
delighted to hear you know, some

458
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:45,300
knowledgeable 2.0 Talk. Like
okay, holy crap. Finalists guys

459
00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:49,290
know what they're doing. Yeah,
finally. Yeah. And Mike have a

460
00:28:49,290 --> 00:28:52,980
red circle. Sharp day two. They
do. They're doing cool stuff

461
00:28:52,980 --> 00:28:55,500
there as well. I'm just going to
keep it keep it on download.

462
00:28:56,220 --> 00:28:57,870
Don't want to blow blows
thunder. But

463
00:28:58,020 --> 00:29:00,120
well, since we've since we've
been talking about features may

464
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,270
be time to bring in our guests
into the board into the

465
00:29:03,270 --> 00:29:03,870
boardroom.

466
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,720
Oh, yeah, I've got some stuff to
talk to him about.

467
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,400
That sounds threatening.

468
00:29:09,030 --> 00:29:11,490
No. Good way. I love I love
this.

469
00:29:12,540 --> 00:29:15,870
All right. Well, yeah. So we
adjusted our time just for him

470
00:29:15,870 --> 00:29:19,290
to make sure it all worked with
our intergalactic communication.

471
00:29:19,290 --> 00:29:22,530
He's the developer of the cast
ematic podcast player. I

472
00:29:22,530 --> 00:29:27,600
actually dug out my iPhone six,
and the App Store said I could

473
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,750
load it but it didn't though. i
That's because I had probably on

474
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:35,100
an iOS eight or some shit like
that. So unfortunately, I'm

475
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:38,370
gonna have to rely on Dave but
it's it's in the App Store. It's

476
00:29:38,370 --> 00:29:44,640
a real podcasting 2.0 app. He's
also a sailor and a doctor. I

477
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,010
don't know what his spare time
is spent on which one of the

478
00:29:47,010 --> 00:29:50,670
three please welcome to the
board room, Franco. Celerio.

479
00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:54,450
Hey, there, thank you. Hey, hey.

480
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,170
Hey, no Franco Franco. I have to
tell you right off the bat and

481
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:06,540
my brother in law is Italian.
And ya know, and He sounds just

482
00:30:06,540 --> 00:30:11,670
like you. He sounds just it's
it's, it's true. It's true.

483
00:30:14,370 --> 00:30:16,320
Yeah, I'm actually I'm like You
sure you don't have a sound at

484
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,170
all? Because your sound is this
a gay they gag you're playing on

485
00:30:19,170 --> 00:30:24,420
me. Anyway Max congratulations
on on cast ematic because I hear

486
00:30:24,420 --> 00:30:25,860
so many good things about it.

487
00:30:26,460 --> 00:30:30,870
Thank you. Thank you. I'm really
proud of it. And it's it's it's

488
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:35,070
my my main job right now because
yes, as you said, I'm also a

489
00:30:35,070 --> 00:30:37,710
podcaster a sailor and the
doctor in the spare time,

490
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:40,290
the doctors to spare time is

491
00:30:41,550 --> 00:30:47,610
thought to be, but it is no,
it's not much. I work as I have

492
00:30:47,610 --> 00:30:51,150
my own practice, private
practice, so I can manage my

493
00:30:51,150 --> 00:30:57,090
time as I want. So I do medical
practice 344 days a week and the

494
00:30:57,090 --> 00:30:59,340
other days are free for me to
study.

495
00:30:59,490 --> 00:31:02,010
Oh, wow. I know. You're a GP?

496
00:31:03,060 --> 00:31:07,320
Yes. Something like that. GP is
General General

497
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,960
Practitioner. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.

498
00:31:11,310 --> 00:31:12,180
Sort of.

499
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,150
I know. I know. I know. You're
the kind of doctor that's in the

500
00:31:15,150 --> 00:31:17,910
weed store and you give people
the prescription? Is that what

501
00:31:17,910 --> 00:31:18,240
you do?

502
00:31:19,950 --> 00:31:24,330
No, actually, I am a doctor that
does what the other doctors

503
00:31:24,330 --> 00:31:31,920
don't. I try to I try to improve
chronic disease by giving the

504
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:36,990
the the less amount of drugs
possible and just change

505
00:31:36,990 --> 00:31:39,660
changing the diet and changing
lifestyle. Your

506
00:31:39,690 --> 00:31:45,210
functional medicine. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. I've been doing applied

507
00:31:45,210 --> 00:31:49,680
Kinesia for 11 years. I don't go
to a regular doctor anymore. I

508
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,880
love it. Oh, yeah. No, I'm all
in on that. Molly. Okay. Oh,

509
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,420
good. All right. So, so much for
the weed prescription. But it's

510
00:31:57,420 --> 00:32:06,000
nice that you do that and we can
arrange something there. If you

511
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,140
don't mind, just how did you get
into developing and how did you

512
00:32:10,770 --> 00:32:13,800
ultimately decide to create
Casta Matic

513
00:32:14,820 --> 00:32:20,700
developing is it's been my hobby
since I was 12 years old. In

514
00:32:20,700 --> 00:32:25,350
summer time, I was bored. I was
going sailing training in the

515
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:27,870
afternoons. The morning I didn't
know what to do. My mother took

516
00:32:27,870 --> 00:32:31,140
me and took me to a private
school where they teach the

517
00:32:31,140 --> 00:32:33,120
basic on the Commodore 64.

518
00:32:33,150 --> 00:32:39,540
Yay. So you live in. So here's
the guy who lives in San Remo.

519
00:32:39,810 --> 00:32:44,460
Beautiful is this beautiful
people walking around in sound

520
00:32:44,460 --> 00:32:49,500
amo? It's beautiful. Whether
you're sailor, but yet I'm

521
00:32:49,500 --> 00:32:50,070
bored.

522
00:32:51,420 --> 00:32:53,640
Yes. Classic programmer. Yeah.

523
00:32:54,090 --> 00:32:55,860
It's in your blood, man. It's in
your blood.

524
00:32:56,610 --> 00:33:01,440
I'm anything it piccata for a
doctor for sale for everything.

525
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,790
But I like to do many different
things. And I'm a podcaster,

526
00:33:05,790 --> 00:33:12,750
too. I am. I've been listening
to the Delta CRO Charlie, almost

527
00:33:12,750 --> 00:33:13,650
since the beginning.

528
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,910
Wow. Daily source code. Shout
out. Nice. Thank you.

529
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:25,410
We met one once in in London. It
was Ooh, maybe two times 2006.

530
00:33:25,410 --> 00:33:29,280
It was a podcast con UK. It was
a VPN conference

531
00:33:29,310 --> 00:33:30,900
when I was living there
probably.

532
00:33:31,380 --> 00:33:35,340
Yeah. So yeah, yeah, there was
this conference by these guys.

533
00:33:35,340 --> 00:33:38,160
They invited me and they came to
London because I was one of the

534
00:33:38,220 --> 00:33:39,960
or the first Italian. podcasters

535
00:33:39,989 --> 00:33:46,709
Oh, wait. Yes. Wait, did I did I
have my pink sweater on?

536
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:48,810
Yeah, see, I

537
00:33:48,810 --> 00:33:53,130
remember it. Yeah, I got some
photos. With my pink with my

538
00:33:53,130 --> 00:33:58,020
pink glasses. This was my pink
face. Yeah. Pink face.

539
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,190
It's like Van Gogh's blue face.
Yes, exactly. That was really

540
00:34:02,190 --> 00:34:06,060
famous. Mm hmm. Okay, I
remember. Yeah. Yeah. Rock

541
00:34:06,060 --> 00:34:09,510
Italia? Or what's it called?
Rock castle? Rock? Yeah, it's

542
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:10,860
coming back to me slowly.

543
00:34:11,130 --> 00:34:14,640
Yeah, it was. Music. Positive
music.

544
00:34:14,670 --> 00:34:18,360
Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah.
Okay, cool. Yeah,

545
00:34:18,510 --> 00:34:22,860
it was strange because you asked
me What can pod show the work?

546
00:34:22,890 --> 00:34:26,460
We were working in Paul show at
the time. What can Paul's show

547
00:34:26,460 --> 00:34:32,400
do for Italian podcasting? And I
was scratching my head and you

548
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,390
were all in on promoting
podcasting and finding

549
00:34:36,420 --> 00:34:40,230
advertisers. But with the
numbers we had in Italy, it was

550
00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:44,550
almost impossible to do two.
Today. Today. We have a

551
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:50,610
gazillion of podcasts in Italy.
But almost nobody lives on it is

552
00:34:50,610 --> 00:34:54,630
making a living. Right? It's if
you if you look if you look at

553
00:34:54,810 --> 00:34:58,590
Wikipedia, you have 1 billion
and a half persons in the world

554
00:34:58,620 --> 00:35:04,260
speaking English You have 85
million speaking Italian. So the

555
00:35:04,260 --> 00:35:07,860
numbers don't you can't make a
living with with advertising and

556
00:35:07,860 --> 00:35:09,930
podcasting in Italy. You really
can't.

557
00:35:10,050 --> 00:35:12,000
It's just not big enough. Hmm.

558
00:35:12,750 --> 00:35:16,350
Well, not without for
podcasting. 2.0 Yeah, exactly.

559
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,560
Advertising may not work. But
yeah, and that's a good point,

560
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,440
man. That's a really good point.
Because you get these the non

561
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,120
English markets, and I have to
leave Spanish out of it. Cuz you

562
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,720
know that, then maybe even to be
honest, maybe I think Farsi is

563
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:35,640
probably bigger than we realize,
too. But then there's just no

564
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,520
advertising, why it's just not
big enough for the, for the

565
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,520
amount of people. And speaking
of such, I just want to ask you

566
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,340
a question. I keep hearing, and
maybe you can help me because I

567
00:35:44,340 --> 00:35:49,140
have a theory about this. I keep
hearing surprise from industry

568
00:35:49,140 --> 00:35:52,170
pundits, you know, I'm not
someone who likes ratings or

569
00:35:52,290 --> 00:35:57,510
reviews or charts. And
everyone's all flustered. Like,

570
00:35:57,660 --> 00:36:02,220
why is it that the daily which
is an American daily news

571
00:36:02,220 --> 00:36:08,550
podcast, very famous? Why is it
that the daily is number one in

572
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:11,550
all these countries in Europe,
including the United Kingdom,

573
00:36:11,550 --> 00:36:14,610
which really upsets the Brits,
because they can't imagine

574
00:36:14,610 --> 00:36:19,170
anything will be more popular
than the BBC. Do you? I mean, is

575
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,900
do you know anything about this
show? Have you ever heard of it?

576
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:22,560
No,

577
00:36:22,590 --> 00:36:26,190
no, I know, it is. I know the
title. I never heard about it. I

578
00:36:26,190 --> 00:36:27,000
never listen to it.

579
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:29,670
And I really don't. I'm gonna,
I'm gonna hand up my theory

580
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:34,050
right here. This is click fraud.
This is click fraud. This is

581
00:36:34,050 --> 00:36:37,140
fraud. They because you know,
you can get Pete you can buy

582
00:36:37,140 --> 00:36:41,670
people who have 100 phones on
their wall hang in there just

583
00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:46,200
listening to podcast nonstop.
Spotify lost hundreds of

584
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,560
millions, well, hundreds of
millions of dollars was paid out

585
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,980
to people who had some crap, you
know, piece of shit they put up

586
00:36:52,980 --> 00:36:57,030
on Spotify and just hired people
with hundreds of phones to play

587
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:59,760
it all day long. And they got
the revenue from that video.

588
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,400
Yeah, I'm telling you. I think
this is click fraud.

589
00:37:02,970 --> 00:37:07,560
You probably might do it with
with Amazon Mechanical Turk.

590
00:37:07,890 --> 00:37:10,140
Exactly. Yes. With people to do

591
00:37:10,140 --> 00:37:13,350
that. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
And I'm just surprised that no

592
00:37:13,350 --> 00:37:16,380
one has thought that might be a
possibility. Anyway, okay. So

593
00:37:16,380 --> 00:37:18,660
you can you confirm you, you
have no idea about it? That's

594
00:37:18,660 --> 00:37:20,520
good. No, no, no, no, no, no.
Right.

595
00:37:21,869 --> 00:37:26,609
I mean, on similar similar note,
though, I want to I want to talk

596
00:37:26,609 --> 00:37:29,849
to you about this, because I
just was sent that Alex sent me

597
00:37:29,849 --> 00:37:35,369
this yesterday. I think this is
good. So going back for a

598
00:37:35,369 --> 00:37:41,039
second. We have Marco Marco from
overcast was talking earlier

599
00:37:41,039 --> 00:37:46,439
this week about about ratings
and how people you know, have

600
00:37:46,439 --> 00:37:50,459
down down ranked him for, you
know, stupid stuff all the time.

601
00:37:50,759 --> 00:37:54,239
Do you see? I've got this
article I want to talk about but

602
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,949
don't. But before that, do you
have like DC? Do you fight that

603
00:37:58,949 --> 00:38:04,109
battle Franco have have having
people downvoting? Cast ematic

604
00:38:04,109 --> 00:38:07,889
for just silly reasons, and then
have to figure out how to make

605
00:38:07,889 --> 00:38:08,879
them happy. And

606
00:38:09,420 --> 00:38:13,860
yeah, a little a little but not
so much. Because we have a very

607
00:38:13,860 --> 00:38:19,710
different audiences here has an
enormous audience. Custom Matic

608
00:38:19,710 --> 00:38:24,120
is very little I'm I'm very bad
at marketing. So

609
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,100
you're you fit in with us just
found that

610
00:38:27,329 --> 00:38:29,729
you're talking to the marketing
department here, which has done

611
00:38:29,729 --> 00:38:30,599
zero marketing.

612
00:38:30,659 --> 00:38:35,159
So Okay. Okay. But I think that
if, if things are good enough,

613
00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:38,999
they get to the, to the surface
even without too much marketing.

614
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:44,489
And so right now, most of my
users are Italian, are people

615
00:38:44,489 --> 00:38:49,919
that know me on my podcast or on
other Italian podcast, and they

616
00:38:49,919 --> 00:38:54,959
suggest to us customers. So the
users of customers are very,

617
00:38:55,859 --> 00:39:01,169
are, are somewhat federalized. I
don't know the term that are

618
00:39:01,169 --> 00:39:05,489
really, really it's not a
general user who doesn't know

619
00:39:05,489 --> 00:39:09,179
anything about me and about the
story behind customer behind the

620
00:39:09,179 --> 00:39:12,119
fact that it's a one man band.
And so they're

621
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,370
part of you're part of your
community if they're listening

622
00:39:14,370 --> 00:39:19,200
to the podcast, and then Yeah,
mostly, mostly, but you're you

623
00:39:19,230 --> 00:39:23,250
doing value for value on your on
your own podcast. Yeah, yeah. So

624
00:39:23,250 --> 00:39:26,460
been doing it? Yes. Is it
working? Are people are people

625
00:39:26,490 --> 00:39:28,560
boosting and sending you SATs?

626
00:39:28,980 --> 00:39:33,450
Yes. They are beginning to do
it. They are used to contribute

627
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:39,540
to the show. We've been using.
Now we have a podcast. The name

628
00:39:39,540 --> 00:39:43,740
is digital. Yeah. We've been
doing it since 2009. And since

629
00:39:43,740 --> 00:39:49,980
the beginning, it was 90%. Based
on the user contribution, they

630
00:39:49,980 --> 00:39:56,070
pile the coin and everything and
and now the most geeky ones are

631
00:39:56,070 --> 00:40:00,960
transitioning to are moving to
value for value. right in just a

632
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,520
minute mostly with a cup with
customers, right,

633
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,640
but you can't you have to keep
telling them you know Funko Of

634
00:40:05,639 --> 00:40:06,509
course, of course.

635
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,800
I had to slip it in I had to get
had to slip it in. The only

636
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,950
swear word I know in Italian.
Yeah, it's like come on people

637
00:40:13,950 --> 00:40:16,830
use my custom attic app send me
some sad sometimes you've used

638
00:40:16,830 --> 00:40:18,690
yell at them. It works. It's
really interesting.

639
00:40:19,170 --> 00:40:21,270
You if you don't, they don't
because

640
00:40:22,619 --> 00:40:26,609
you have to be strict. You have
to threaten them like, Well,

641
00:40:26,819 --> 00:40:29,369
yeah, the show will just end if
there's no money, it's just

642
00:40:29,369 --> 00:40:32,489
gonna end and I failed. The no
one likes it. Goodbye. Exactly.

643
00:40:32,549 --> 00:40:33,959
And then usually they step up.

644
00:40:34,770 --> 00:40:37,320
Exactly. They know, they know
that if they if they are

645
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,970
released, they now somebody else
has been giving some money for a

646
00:40:41,970 --> 00:40:45,240
lot of time. And so now it's
their time to do the same.

647
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:52,320
It's quite a step from the
Commodore 64 to iOS app, what

648
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,320
kind of what kind of path did
you have on the way Oh,

649
00:40:55,770 --> 00:41:01,470
I always been dabbling here and
there when I was at university,

650
00:41:02,460 --> 00:41:08,370
there was a lot of it was very
difficult to to to, to have a

651
00:41:08,370 --> 00:41:12,780
place inside the hospital to the
practice. I wanted to work in

652
00:41:13,050 --> 00:41:17,490
immunology and transplants. A
friend of mine was already

653
00:41:17,490 --> 00:41:23,430
there. I went there to meet him.
And his his professor was

654
00:41:23,460 --> 00:41:29,430
dabbling with with with an Excel
file was trying to pivot a table

655
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:34,530
and his tray inside any
couldn't. And I was learning

656
00:41:34,530 --> 00:41:38,100
Visual Basic. I knew that excel
at Visual Basic and in five

657
00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:42,720
minutes, I made a little
software that did in a few

658
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:45,990
seconds. What he was trying to
do for four is been trying to do

659
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:50,160
for four days. So it took me
from from tomorrow you work

660
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:57,390
here. And my final. My final
work for for the graduation was

661
00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:01,710
a software that analyze the
compatibility for transplant

662
00:42:01,740 --> 00:42:05,310
between transplant donor and
recipients of bone marrow

663
00:42:05,310 --> 00:42:05,910
transplant.

664
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:09,120
Dude, are you married? Because
I'll bet you chicks just flock

665
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:15,180
all over you. Excuse me, I made
organ transplant analysis

666
00:42:15,180 --> 00:42:18,060
software when I was 12. I'm a
regular Italian Doogie Howser.

667
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,080
Nice man,

668
00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:22,919
that's impressive. This was this
was good. That's slightly more

669
00:42:22,919 --> 00:42:24,899
impressive than the podcast
index APR.

670
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,110
All you're all saving lives. Oh.

671
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:34,140
It wasn't that difficult. But
from from a doctor's point of

672
00:42:34,140 --> 00:42:35,430
view. It was it was me it was

673
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:39,870
magic. Of course. Yeah. You see
that? 98. Yeah, it

674
00:42:39,870 --> 00:42:43,800
was 1998. It was so. And I did
that. And I stayed there. I

675
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:49,110
stayed there. And I made my post
guard graduate course there. And

676
00:42:49,110 --> 00:42:54,360
then when I started working in
private practice, I left the

677
00:42:54,390 --> 00:43:01,800
developing a little on the side.
And I I began writing software

678
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:07,290
again for iOS to write an app to
listen to my podcast digitally.

679
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,490
At once a single podcast

680
00:43:11,490 --> 00:43:13,830
player. Yeah, sure. Sure. Yeah,

681
00:43:13,860 --> 00:43:18,750
I really has an app. And then
then, when Marco published

682
00:43:18,780 --> 00:43:27,090
overcast, I loved the idea to do
some sound processing on the on

683
00:43:27,090 --> 00:43:30,480
the device on the player,
because there were a lot of

684
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,920
years of content with nice, nice
content, but really badly

685
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:35,430
produced

686
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:38,190
this this is this is because I
was looking, even though I would

687
00:43:38,190 --> 00:43:41,310
have been able to use the app,
very impressed with all the

688
00:43:41,310 --> 00:43:42,840
audio features that you put in.

689
00:43:43,409 --> 00:43:47,669
I love audio on the side, there
was another thing I did and I

690
00:43:47,669 --> 00:43:49,499
left apart. I was a guitar
player.

691
00:43:49,980 --> 00:43:53,790
Oh, of course, Dad ladies, he
plays guitar.

692
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:58,410
But I'm not good at all. But But
I love it. And I love audio

693
00:43:58,410 --> 00:44:02,970
processing. And I loved the idea
in overcast to do sound

694
00:44:02,970 --> 00:44:07,050
processing. But it was
implemented really, really bad

695
00:44:07,050 --> 00:44:10,380
at start at the beginning. Now
He improved a lot, but at the

696
00:44:10,380 --> 00:44:15,690
time, it was very bad. So I said
I can take my app to listen to

697
00:44:15,690 --> 00:44:19,320
port to Digitali or make it
general purpose and try to do a

698
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,980
little better on the on the
sound processing side. And

699
00:44:22,980 --> 00:44:27,210
that's why and that's why custom
Matic was born. Wow,

700
00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:31,080
you're so you're one you have to
be one of the few podcast apps

701
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,020
that have their own audio engine
then they most most people just

702
00:44:34,020 --> 00:44:36,900
use the underlying, you know,
audio player API's?

703
00:44:38,610 --> 00:44:43,740
Yeah, it's I've exchanged the
two different selfmade audio

704
00:44:43,740 --> 00:44:49,110
engines in what when when this
was a transition from from one

705
00:44:49,110 --> 00:44:51,390
technology to the other. Yes,
but I enjoy it.

706
00:44:51,690 --> 00:44:54,540
Oh, that's gotta make it easier
for you. I mean, it's a lot of

707
00:44:54,540 --> 00:44:59,040
work at the beginning. But then
going forward. You know if if,

708
00:44:59,100 --> 00:45:01,950
if Apple changed Just something
in there high level API, it

709
00:45:01,950 --> 00:45:05,160
doesn't. You have immunity to
that? You don't. You don't have

710
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,200
to deal with that. Because
you're writing you're writing

711
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,320
just a low level stuff, which
rarely changes. Yes. What's,

712
00:45:10,469 --> 00:45:12,539
what are you doing under the
hood with that Franco

713
00:45:12,539 --> 00:45:13,979
compression? What are you doing?

714
00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:18,629
Yes, it's a basically basically,
it's compression and a little

715
00:45:18,629 --> 00:45:22,349
EQ, but is, is really
transparent compression that

716
00:45:22,379 --> 00:45:27,299
that has a very, very long
release time. So it works more

717
00:45:27,299 --> 00:45:30,479
like a lever than a compression.
So it doesn't change the it

718
00:45:30,479 --> 00:45:33,659
doesn't affect the character of
the sound, but just the level

719
00:45:33,899 --> 00:45:41,249
really smoothly. But it has a
gate on the on the on the side

720
00:45:41,249 --> 00:45:47,339
chain, so that when the voice
stops, it does person stops.

721
00:45:47,759 --> 00:45:50,909
Yeah, she doesn't take all the
noise up. Okay, she's problem

722
00:45:50,909 --> 00:45:51,809
with compressor, who

723
00:45:51,810 --> 00:45:56,340
hears what I'd love to try with
you one day, I have always

724
00:45:56,340 --> 00:46:01,770
wanted this. Yeah, if I gave you
my entire chain and the values,

725
00:46:02,130 --> 00:46:06,120
could you make a pod father
button, so that if you wanted to

726
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:11,100
hear that podcast, the way my
podcast sounds, he just hit that

727
00:46:11,100 --> 00:46:12,120
button, it will just go.

728
00:46:13,590 --> 00:46:17,880
Oh, we can try? Yes, yes, I love
to do that. You use a lot of

729
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,370
compression to to affect sound.
It's just

730
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:23,700
total distortion. It's total
distortion. Yeah, but it's just

731
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:28,410
it just as a setting. And you
know, I believe that there are,

732
00:46:29,130 --> 00:46:32,100
I've given up on the idea that
the amount of content that is

733
00:46:32,100 --> 00:46:35,910
being created will all sound
equally or at least some level

734
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:38,700
of professional, it just doesn't
Yeah, and it's all over the map.

735
00:46:38,700 --> 00:46:43,110
So you automatically, if you're,
if you're in that part of it,

736
00:46:43,110 --> 00:46:48,960
we're doing DSP. Fantastic,
you're you have to do some

737
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,710
leveling between one podcast to
the next. Otherwise, people just

738
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:56,400
adjusting volumes all the time,
then then you have to make up

739
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,330
for all kinds of poorness. I'm
saying, as I think you

740
00:47:00,330 --> 00:47:03,390
understand, I'd like to take it
one step further. And you know,

741
00:47:03,390 --> 00:47:05,760
here's the distortion version,
you know, it's kind of like,

742
00:47:05,790 --> 00:47:10,620
here's the, here's the Eddie Van
Halen sound. Just not that I

743
00:47:10,620 --> 00:47:15,960
want to say I'm Eddie Van Halen,
because no. But yeah, something

744
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,270
like that. And because you could
have someone who chart or you

745
00:47:18,270 --> 00:47:21,060
could have someone with the NPR
sound, it could be all different

746
00:47:21,060 --> 00:47:23,760
kinds of sounds, you know, not
just not just mine specifically,

747
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,220
I know I'd love to mess around
with that one day with you, we

748
00:47:26,220 --> 00:47:26,370
can

749
00:47:26,369 --> 00:47:31,049
try is will be fun. The only
difficulty might be that using

750
00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:36,449
your your kind of settings. If
the source material as a lot of

751
00:47:36,449 --> 00:47:41,009
noise, that noise would they
pump data up a lot? You have to

752
00:47:41,039 --> 00:47:44,099
you have to begin with a very
clear clean source.

753
00:47:44,130 --> 00:47:47,250
Yeah. And I'm head I mean,
everything is in the gate with

754
00:47:47,250 --> 00:47:50,910
me. I mean, you're in the gate,
I'm in the you've heard it's

755
00:47:50,910 --> 00:47:57,090
completely and fast. It's like
boom, done. 123 compression.

756
00:47:57,450 --> 00:47:57,900
Anyway,

757
00:47:58,469 --> 00:48:03,029
now I'm interested in this. So
what what all could cause codecs

758
00:48:03,029 --> 00:48:05,999
D support, are you I mean,
obviously, mp3

759
00:48:07,739 --> 00:48:13,079
is done by the low level but but
the low level decoder from from

760
00:48:13,079 --> 00:48:17,789
Apple, so every audio file that
that that you can give to

761
00:48:17,789 --> 00:48:23,519
Apple's API's injustice, and
ended it gives you back the PCM

762
00:48:24,089 --> 00:48:27,599
packets. You can give it to
customer usually Oh,

763
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:31,019
okay, so you're so you're
letting you're letting iOS do

764
00:48:31,019 --> 00:48:33,239
the decoding and then you're
taking

765
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:37,020
PCM and then he's processing it.
Yes, Eric. I love it. That's

766
00:48:37,020 --> 00:48:37,830
really cool.

767
00:48:38,250 --> 00:48:42,060
That's a really nice way to do
it. Does it is it does I don't

768
00:48:42,060 --> 00:48:44,460
know what all the supported they
support, like Opus and some of

769
00:48:44,460 --> 00:48:45,660
these newer format. Yes,

770
00:48:45,689 --> 00:48:48,749
yes. These should Yes. Never
tried APU. So no. So

771
00:48:48,750 --> 00:48:51,450
there's, there's, there's
another cool thing. Okay, how

772
00:48:51,450 --> 00:48:55,140
about this curriculum may like
this. So James Cridland

773
00:48:55,140 --> 00:49:02,250
publishes pod news in an opus
file really low. Now can can we

774
00:49:02,250 --> 00:49:06,030
on the other end haven't have an
opus low bandwidth button that

775
00:49:06,030 --> 00:49:10,530
could bring back the pieces that
were kind of lost in that

776
00:49:10,530 --> 00:49:13,770
compression or accentuate enough
that it would sound better than

777
00:49:13,770 --> 00:49:14,400
it does?

778
00:49:15,090 --> 00:49:18,870
Oh, that that will be it's like
psychoacoustics

779
00:49:19,050 --> 00:49:22,080
This is almost as bad as the
battery talk Dave I'm gonna stop

780
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:26,940
Yeah, yeah, that's what I was
thinking when you're talking

781
00:49:26,940 --> 00:49:28,920
about them like that's enhanced
zoom rotate. That's

782
00:49:29,010 --> 00:49:29,730
pretty much

783
00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:37,470
yeah, I do something like that.
Little it's not artificial

784
00:49:37,470 --> 00:49:39,900
intelligence. It's not deep
learning, but it's something

785
00:49:39,900 --> 00:49:48,480
like that to detect music.
Digital can look ahead. Look at

786
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:54,420
but it completely disables every
DSP. If it detects music in the

787
00:49:54,420 --> 00:49:59,250
podcast. Oh, cool. So if you if
you have a mix the podcast with

788
00:49:59,250 --> 00:50:02,250
some voice and Some music a
voice is affected by the DSP.

789
00:50:02,670 --> 00:50:05,490
When you transition to music
music is unaffected, because

790
00:50:05,490 --> 00:50:10,080
usually music is mixed and
mastered as as it's true. And I

791
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,300
don't want to change the fact
that in any way,

792
00:50:12,570 --> 00:50:16,680
yes, that's really cool. What do
you do? Do you also disable

793
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,610
speed control? When you say
music? Did like, bring it back

794
00:50:20,610 --> 00:50:23,730
down to 1x? One point All right,

795
00:50:23,790 --> 00:50:26,940
not right now I don't, but I
should do it. That's that's a

796
00:50:26,940 --> 00:50:33,120
valid point. The Zapper, the
silence keeper automatically is

797
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,540
not functional during music,
because music is usually an

798
00:50:36,540 --> 00:50:40,440
uninterrupted flats of sound
soap. So that the silence

799
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:45,000
keepers, the text, no silence
and doesn't skip. But turning to

800
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,480
x back to 1x. Should be yes,
that's a great well, that's,

801
00:50:48,510 --> 00:50:52,440
that's really interesting, and a
very, very good, unique selling

802
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:53,280
proposition.

803
00:50:54,690 --> 00:50:59,190
It is, yes, it is. I use some
cosmetic, it's in my rotation of

804
00:50:59,190 --> 00:51:04,260
apps that I use in almost every
single day. And the the one

805
00:51:04,590 --> 00:51:08,760
thing that I've kind of really
appreciate about cast Matic is

806
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:14,340
that it's, it feels like a
native iOS app. So many, me

807
00:51:14,430 --> 00:51:18,270
even. I mean, let there's,
there's really not a whole lot

808
00:51:18,270 --> 00:51:24,150
of custom UI controls there. No
feels, it feels like an iOS app

809
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:27,450
is supposed to feel. And that's
that's a good to me, that's a

810
00:51:27,450 --> 00:51:30,990
good thing. Because you don't
have to go sort of relearn a new

811
00:51:30,990 --> 00:51:34,020
app experience there, you can
tell that you've done a lot of

812
00:51:34,020 --> 00:51:38,160
UI work, but it all, it all
still fits the paradigm of what

813
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,980
we expect from they'll look like
native controls, I guess, is

814
00:51:40,980 --> 00:51:42,090
what I'm trying to say yes,

815
00:51:42,119 --> 00:51:47,399
I'm not a great designer. And I
wanted something that that could

816
00:51:48,089 --> 00:51:56,039
stay in the in the in the device
and look like something look

817
00:51:56,039 --> 00:52:00,869
like something that Apple did as
a podcast app from Apple, but

818
00:52:00,869 --> 00:52:05,849
done with the feature I like,
and what so I didn't want to

819
00:52:05,849 --> 00:52:09,689
diverge. There are many, many
beautiful podcast players for

820
00:52:09,689 --> 00:52:14,249
IRS that that have an incredible
user interface much, much better

821
00:52:14,249 --> 00:52:17,909
than mine. But they usually are
very custom and very different

822
00:52:17,909 --> 00:52:22,379
from from, you know, Safari or
the mail, the Mail app or the

823
00:52:22,379 --> 00:52:27,899
iMessage. I wanted this to fit
well, between between standard

824
00:52:27,899 --> 00:52:28,379
laps

825
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:33,510
where your transitions between
views are really pleasing. So if

826
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:37,770
I go to search, or add a search
for a podcast to add in, it sort

827
00:52:37,770 --> 00:52:42,150
of morphs into the search screen
that has the ability to choose

828
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:46,200
between Apple and podcast index
research. It's the transitions

829
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:50,310
between your UAV users. It to me
is great.

830
00:52:50,909 --> 00:52:54,869
Thank you. Yeah, I'm proud of
it. And you've seen the

831
00:52:54,869 --> 00:52:58,829
animation to see the show notes.
When you use crawl the artwork

832
00:52:58,829 --> 00:53:02,069
in the player and the transport
bar disappears.

833
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,490
Oh, that's all I need to look at
there. It

834
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,120
was it. Did you get accepted
into the App Store right away,

835
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,060
considering we've seen people
with trouble.

836
00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:15,960
I was so afraid that I was so
afraid for that.

837
00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:18,210
Yeah. How fucked up is that man
that you have to be?

838
00:53:18,989 --> 00:53:22,919
I don't know. I don't know. Yes.
It's incredible. Incredible. But

839
00:53:22,949 --> 00:53:25,529
this is a dictatorship that.

840
00:53:27,330 --> 00:53:29,430
Oh, you guys know all about
that. I mean, come on.

841
00:53:30,510 --> 00:53:34,140
Well, here's my that brings me
to explain. That brings up this

842
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:40,440
this article. So I don't know if
you guys have seen this. But the

843
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,800
headline of this article is
Apple quietly buying ads via

844
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,890
Google for high value
subscription apps to capture app

845
00:53:46,890 --> 00:53:47,910
publisher revenue.

846
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,330
Oh, no. No, what is this in?
Okay,

847
00:53:51,389 --> 00:53:57,929
so this was in Forbes. It says
in Forbes yesterday, it says

848
00:53:58,349 --> 00:54:02,159
Apple is secretly buying Google
ads for high value apps to

849
00:54:02,159 --> 00:54:05,009
collect potentially millions of
dollars in subscription revenue.

850
00:54:05,219 --> 00:54:08,429
Multiple app publishers have
told me Apple is placing the ads

851
00:54:08,429 --> 00:54:11,159
without the app developers
consent and Google will not

852
00:54:11,159 --> 00:54:14,909
delete them. They say it's a
form of ad arbitrage, and has

853
00:54:14,909 --> 00:54:16,019
been going on for at least

854
00:54:16,020 --> 00:54:19,050
two Wait a minute. Wait, what
exactly are they doing?

855
00:54:19,770 --> 00:54:22,170
I understand. It took me a
minute to figure this out, too.

856
00:54:22,170 --> 00:54:26,610
But here's here's I'm gonna
explain it says impacted

857
00:54:26,610 --> 00:54:29,400
businesses include major brands
such as dating apps like Tinder,

858
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,900
plenty of fish, bumble, media
giant HBO, blah, blah, blah. The

859
00:54:33,900 --> 00:54:37,290
ads don't disclose that they are
from Apple and would do most

860
00:54:37,290 --> 00:54:40,620
observers simply look like ads
from the brands and app

861
00:54:40,620 --> 00:54:43,200
publishers themselves that
happen to go right to the app

862
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,350
store. They do, however, have a
similar tracking link with

863
00:54:46,350 --> 00:54:49,500
nearly identical parameters to
indicate that one agency is

864
00:54:49,500 --> 00:54:52,230
likely placing all of them app
here's a quote,

865
00:54:52,949 --> 00:54:57,869
they're taking. They're taking
the VIG on people on people

866
00:54:58,079 --> 00:54:59,549
getting your apps

867
00:55:01,170 --> 00:55:07,440
So they're taking an app like
HBO, Max. And Apple is buying an

868
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:13,350
ad from Google for that app, and
pointing the ad to the App Store

869
00:55:13,830 --> 00:55:18,240
so that they capture revenue
direct so that they point people

870
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:21,450
to the App Store so that those
people will get the app and buy

871
00:55:21,450 --> 00:55:25,260
the subscription in the app,
rather than going directly to

872
00:55:25,260 --> 00:55:28,500
the website. scription minus

873
00:55:28,500 --> 00:55:31,920
the 30%. Oh, naughty naughty.
Yeah,

874
00:55:31,950 --> 00:55:34,470
it says Apple has figured out
that they can make more money

875
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:36,870
off these developers if they
push people to the app store to

876
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:40,500
purchase versus Webflow. And
it's got a it's got a screenshot

877
00:55:40,500 --> 00:55:43,650
here. And it shows two ads at
the top of the Google results

878
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:48,060
once for HBO, Max. And the other
one is a is an as another ad

879
00:55:48,060 --> 00:55:53,670
linking directly to the app
store for the app. I mean, that

880
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:57,900
to me that is Apple directly in
competition for their own

881
00:55:57,900 --> 00:56:02,070
developers money. That's it,
man.

882
00:56:02,610 --> 00:56:06,990
Yeah, yeah. No, it's really,
yes. really warped? Yeah.

883
00:56:07,409 --> 00:56:12,029
Yeah. And this is bad. Yeah.
Yeah, if apps take, if they go

884
00:56:12,029 --> 00:56:15,119
through the App Store free, you
know, they get the 15 to 30%, up

885
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:19,079
front, and then the 15% going
here going forward. And the user

886
00:56:19,079 --> 00:56:22,979
doesn't know that the user has
no idea. You know, they're just

887
00:56:22,979 --> 00:56:25,919
doing their thing. That's man,
that's just crazy.

888
00:56:26,699 --> 00:56:29,219
What Why does it not surprise us
though, you know,

889
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:34,080
I mean, there's nothing illegal
about Isurus. Slimy, and it

890
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:40,320
makes you think, well, if if
this, so they're hitting you

891
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,590
twice. So they're going they're
going for you on the Google

892
00:56:43,590 --> 00:56:47,670
side, then then they're also
going to force you into their

893
00:56:48,990 --> 00:56:53,130
what does it the App Store
search? Keyword thing? I don't

894
00:56:53,130 --> 00:56:54,090
know if you know, oh, no,

895
00:56:54,090 --> 00:56:55,470
I don't I don't you

896
00:56:55,469 --> 00:57:00,479
can use it essentially by Search
the app search ads in the app

897
00:57:00,479 --> 00:57:03,539
store for your for your app, so
I don't know if you've ever done

898
00:57:03,539 --> 00:57:07,499
this Franco. I'm certainly not.
Yeah, so like, you could add you

899
00:57:07,499 --> 00:57:10,439
could you could buy you know,
the key word for podcast app

900
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,230
or something? Yeah. Okay. Okay.
Yes, yes. Yeah.

901
00:57:13,380 --> 00:57:16,950
So they're, they're getting you
at every, every thing. And so

902
00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:22,080
you're, you're selling an app
for 99 cents. And then they're

903
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:26,010
gonna hit you from every
direction for 30% It's just

904
00:57:27,150 --> 00:57:31,140
pretty amazing, isn't it? Yeah.
Anyway, so you were really

905
00:57:31,140 --> 00:57:34,050
worried and they accepted it?
Did you have to buy anything for

906
00:57:34,050 --> 00:57:34,680
like an ad?

907
00:57:35,940 --> 00:57:39,990
No, I never I bought ads on the
App Store at the beginning some

908
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:42,870
some years ago but nobody came

909
00:57:42,929 --> 00:57:46,739
right okay. But But you already
had was cast ematic was already

910
00:57:46,739 --> 00:57:48,689
in there before yes value for
value

911
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,980
Correct? Yes. i Yes. It was it's
been on the on the store for

912
00:57:52,980 --> 00:57:59,730
some years now. But now Now I
add the value for value features

913
00:57:59,730 --> 00:58:06,900
on data and then I sent a new
major release 8.0 With with it

914
00:58:06,900 --> 00:58:10,980
was specified in the release
notes that no I saw it was the

915
00:58:10,980 --> 00:58:14,850
reviewers the reviewers related
Yeah, it was

916
00:58:14,849 --> 00:58:20,069
halfway down like oh features
pocket including v v four v

917
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:22,949
Yeah, I saw you I saw you did

918
00:58:26,130 --> 00:58:30,480
you so but they don't they
didn't or maybe they didn't they

919
00:58:30,510 --> 00:58:34,740
I don't know they have a lot of
pressure right now from anti

920
00:58:34,740 --> 00:58:35,400
anti trust

921
00:58:35,429 --> 00:58:36,899
Yeah, they do. Yeah,

922
00:58:36,929 --> 00:58:40,349
well we also know now that from
the from news a few days ago

923
00:58:40,349 --> 00:58:43,049
that Tim Cook you know he
personally holds Bitcoin in his

924
00:58:43,049 --> 00:58:46,919
portfolio so yeah, yeah, he's a
believers course.

925
00:58:47,010 --> 00:58:53,130
Oh, no, he's just rich. Yeah,
right. Right. Rich just rich

926
00:58:53,969 --> 00:58:59,669
yeah that that's one thing about
cosmetics V for V implementation

927
00:59:00,689 --> 00:59:03,029
is that it's very extensive when
you first said you were going to

928
00:59:03,029 --> 00:59:06,479
do it I just figured you know
you were going to kind of

929
00:59:06,899 --> 00:59:09,179
scratch the surface a little bit
and just take a boost button in

930
00:59:09,179 --> 00:59:14,489
there and kind of do bare bones
but man when when you when we

931
00:59:14,489 --> 00:59:18,659
released it man there's so it's
like a full feature thing and

932
00:59:18,659 --> 00:59:21,929
there's transaction history
there's there's booster grams

933
00:59:21,929 --> 00:59:25,409
there's and I mean like it you
spend a lot of time on that I

934
00:59:25,409 --> 00:59:25,979
can tell

935
00:59:26,429 --> 00:59:29,909
this was my summer project I
worked on it. Usually Summertime

936
00:59:29,909 --> 00:59:34,829
is is meant for developers to
adapt the app to the new to the

937
00:59:34,829 --> 00:59:37,979
new API's from from the new
release of iOS coming in

938
00:59:37,979 --> 00:59:42,509
September. This year. There were
many exciting or really

939
00:59:42,509 --> 00:59:48,149
important new features to adopt.
And there was podcasting two

940
00:59:48,149 --> 00:59:50,909
point out there was value for
value that that was important

941
00:59:50,909 --> 00:59:56,669
for me. And for podcasting in
general. I I work a lot with

942
00:59:56,669 --> 01:00:00,719
other podcasters and with the
support desk of Italian

943
01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:05,039
podcasters that organized the
festival of podcasting last

944
01:00:05,039 --> 01:00:11,039
month. Yeah. And I am seeing
one, one of the of the old guys

945
01:00:11,039 --> 01:00:13,799
with the white tears in Italian
podcasts. So

946
01:00:15,719 --> 01:00:19,139
I know it was fun to walk around
all the young people in

947
01:00:19,139 --> 01:00:22,529
podcasting today. Oh, yes. All
of them.

948
01:00:23,340 --> 01:00:27,720
So what, what all tags do you
support? So far? I know. I know

949
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,430
that you support, good

950
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:34,950
funding, funding to take people
to podcasters page with with

951
01:00:35,430 --> 01:00:41,520
payments and such value for
value and chapters. Those are

952
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:45,540
the tags and then I support
searching on podcasting index

953
01:00:45,540 --> 01:00:46,440
for new shows.

954
01:00:47,159 --> 01:00:52,589
Do you get any, any plans for
anything new? Any? Anything that

955
01:00:52,589 --> 01:00:53,579
you can divulge?

956
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:59,640
Yes, I would love to try a
little bit of everything. But

957
01:00:59,700 --> 01:01:06,690
time is not so much. But I'm
waiting for for comments to be a

958
01:01:06,690 --> 01:01:10,980
little more mature and then try
to do something.

959
01:01:11,460 --> 01:01:12,510
Right on right. Well,

960
01:01:12,599 --> 01:01:16,649
it's the right social tact. It
should be. Yeah.

961
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:20,430
Well, how is that going? Dave? I
mean, this is so as far as I

962
01:01:20,430 --> 01:01:24,840
know, only this show is posting
to social tag. And I think it's

963
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:29,460
only surfacing in pod friend
right now and the web version.

964
01:01:30,150 --> 01:01:35,310
Yes. So there Yeah, puffer is
the only app that has support

965
01:01:35,310 --> 01:01:39,330
for this social interact tag. We
we are putting it out there. And

966
01:01:39,330 --> 01:01:42,150
also John Shijie just started
putting in his podcast,

967
01:01:42,750 --> 01:01:46,470
causality and pragmatic and so
right. He and we figured out

968
01:01:46,470 --> 01:01:49,410
pretty quick that Pleroma

969
01:01:50,579 --> 01:01:53,609
Oh, yeah, I retweeted this.
Yeah, it doesn't work. Yeah,

970
01:01:53,610 --> 01:01:57,630
they don't support the correct
activity pub response for

971
01:01:57,630 --> 01:02:01,920
replies so that, hopefully we
can get that in there. But I

972
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:08,370
mean, it works like John. John
Spurlock also supports showing

973
01:02:08,370 --> 01:02:13,710
the threads in his podcasts in
Tupelo validator app. So you can

974
01:02:13,710 --> 01:02:16,950
do cool go and throw a feed in
there and if it support if it

975
01:02:16,950 --> 01:02:20,640
has a podcast, social interact
tag in it, it will show you all

976
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,430
the comment threads and
everything that it can find. So

977
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:25,950
the data is there now it's
really just

978
01:02:26,010 --> 01:02:28,680
I'm ready to start talking about
it but there's I can't send

979
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:29,580
people anywhere.

980
01:02:29,819 --> 01:02:34,199
Yeah, yeah. And the pod friend
supports a bit he Martin's only

981
01:02:34,199 --> 01:02:37,499
showing the threads he's not
allowing commenting back.

982
01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:41,579
Right, right. And I mean, I
snuck in a great promo for

983
01:02:41,609 --> 01:02:47,279
Chapter images on no agenda.
Which drive did a great graded A

984
01:02:47,279 --> 01:02:51,509
is like oh, we can we can do all
these images. We can just have

985
01:02:51,509 --> 01:02:54,959
them flashing by we to the 1400s
episode. So you can do all these

986
01:02:54,989 --> 01:02:59,369
1400 images watching a dribble
just make that happen. And, and

987
01:02:59,369 --> 01:03:02,099
he did it and he but he actually
did it in an animated GIF. And

988
01:03:02,099 --> 01:03:05,549
he did it to the beat of my
voice which was funnier. Holy

989
01:03:05,549 --> 01:03:07,739
cow because I'm like boom, boom,
boom, boom, and he goes pop up a

990
01:03:07,739 --> 01:03:11,369
pop he switched three real quick
in a row. You know, and then I

991
01:03:11,369 --> 01:03:13,319
send people new podcast apps
calm.

992
01:03:15,210 --> 01:03:17,610
Like a dance. It's just like
ballet. Yeah, he's

993
01:03:17,610 --> 01:03:20,490
for I had to laugh. He's always
like, how was he gonna sneak it

994
01:03:20,490 --> 01:03:21,210
in this time?

995
01:03:22,290 --> 01:03:25,980
That you know you being a
podcaster Franca like you can

996
01:03:26,310 --> 01:03:30,090
actually test and put some of
this stuff in your own feed and

997
01:03:30,090 --> 01:03:32,220
then tested directly in your
app. I'm he's got the full

998
01:03:32,220 --> 01:03:33,210
feedback loop there.

999
01:03:33,540 --> 01:03:39,450
Yeah, of course. Right now I'm
managing my feed with Mac OS

1000
01:03:39,450 --> 01:03:43,470
application the name is feeder.
I asked him if he if he would

1001
01:03:43,470 --> 01:03:49,620
support the new taxa box I well
you know I got a leak warmer

1002
01:03:51,270 --> 01:03:58,200
well you know I know it's a it's
a comm friendly product but

1003
01:03:58,410 --> 01:04:02,880
curio casters RSS generator is
really I use it for all my shows

1004
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,080
is really fantastic.

1005
01:04:04,799 --> 01:04:07,619
Yeah, I heard about it the Jenny
Yeah,

1006
01:04:07,619 --> 01:04:10,919
the RSS Jenny? Yeah. You just go
to curio caster calm and then

1007
01:04:10,919 --> 01:04:17,069
you click Turn on RSS editor and
then you select any show. And

1008
01:04:17,069 --> 01:04:19,409
then you can create a new feed.
Yeah, I mean, it's not even

1009
01:04:19,409 --> 01:04:22,349
import it just it's there. And
then you can say okay, new

1010
01:04:22,349 --> 01:04:25,949
episode, we there. You can copy
the previous episodes data,

1011
01:04:25,949 --> 01:04:30,329
which is what I do. And then you
just fill in all the values and

1012
01:04:30,359 --> 01:04:32,819
it's all the tags and you know,
there's a lot of stuff you don't

1013
01:04:32,819 --> 01:04:35,699
have to change of course, and
you have templates and and the

1014
01:04:35,729 --> 01:04:38,999
click, you know, poop out feed.
I think that's the button poop

1015
01:04:38,999 --> 01:04:42,749
out. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and then
just upload it wherever it

1016
01:04:42,749 --> 01:04:46,649
wherever it needs to go. It's
really mind bogglingly easy. It

1017
01:04:46,649 --> 01:04:47,429
really is.

1018
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:51,660
I will give it a try. For sure.
Yes, that would be really

1019
01:04:51,660 --> 01:04:52,110
useful.

1020
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:55,710
Do you have so as a podcaster
it's really cool to have that

1021
01:04:55,710 --> 01:05:01,650
perspective on things. Do you
like wood? Do you use comments

1022
01:05:02,460 --> 01:05:04,290
in that way for your own? So

1023
01:05:04,350 --> 01:05:10,020
I think, I think so. Yes, we, we
try to we have a good community.

1024
01:05:10,830 --> 01:05:14,940
Right now the most interaction
is on as lacquer on a slack,

1025
01:05:15,150 --> 01:05:16,560
multi channel chat.

1026
01:05:17,909 --> 01:05:20,279
Is that live during the show? Do
you have like a live chat?

1027
01:05:21,329 --> 01:05:25,829
We have a live chat we have live
comments because since six

1028
01:05:25,829 --> 01:05:30,029
months we've been experimenting
doing video to on on Twitch and

1029
01:05:30,029 --> 01:05:33,929
YouTube. So we do the live show
and we record with audio and

1030
01:05:33,929 --> 01:05:38,609
video and somebody of course,
use the commenting system that

1031
01:05:38,609 --> 01:05:42,179
I've commented system on Twitch
and YouTube. But we would like

1032
01:05:42,179 --> 01:05:46,859
to have one single point because
to concentrate everybody in one

1033
01:05:46,859 --> 01:05:50,459
place makes better bad
experience.

1034
01:05:50,490 --> 01:05:54,360
Yeah. Yeah, I think, you know,
Alex pointed out early on in the

1035
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,990
process of trying to develop
this stuff that he made the

1036
01:05:57,990 --> 01:06:02,910
point that that chat. And
comments are different things.

1037
01:06:02,940 --> 01:06:06,990
And that's really, those were
really precious, precious thing

1038
01:06:06,990 --> 01:06:10,710
to say, because it's for, I
mean, just imagine that your Do

1039
01:06:10,710 --> 01:06:13,380
you have, you know, a show where
you're doing a live chat, and

1040
01:06:13,380 --> 01:06:18,540
you only have live chat? If you
have, then things get lost. So

1041
01:06:18,660 --> 01:06:21,870
if somebody if you had a show
where they had comments attached

1042
01:06:21,870 --> 01:06:25,830
to each episode, then those
comments sort of live forever on

1043
01:06:25,830 --> 01:06:29,160
that episode. And you can go
back and somebody can actually

1044
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:32,280
comment on something that
happened in that episode. And

1045
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,730
you don't you don't lose that
content like you do in a live

1046
01:06:35,730 --> 01:06:38,070
chat. I think that was a really
good point. Yeah.

1047
01:06:38,700 --> 01:06:42,180
And if it's anchored to a
timestamp, or it's even better,

1048
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:45,600
because, yeah, that's next level
can read those. Yeah, that's

1049
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,340
very good. They were very nice.

1050
01:06:48,090 --> 01:06:51,660
So cool. I hope I hope we can
get some more, you know, we need

1051
01:06:51,660 --> 01:06:55,740
to, we need more people to test
this stuff. And just create some

1052
01:06:55,740 --> 01:06:59,040
software around it. Because the
thing is there. I mean, we have

1053
01:06:59,250 --> 01:07:02,070
whether you put it on an ad on a
mastodon thread, or whatever you

1054
01:07:02,070 --> 01:07:04,860
want to do. I mean, the activity
post support, is there, really

1055
01:07:04,860 --> 01:07:07,350
just need people to get in there
and just start banging stuff out

1056
01:07:07,350 --> 01:07:09,150
and write software to get
against it?

1057
01:07:09,779 --> 01:07:14,369
Are there libraries to interact
with the activitypub servers? Or

1058
01:07:14,369 --> 01:07:17,609
you have to do a bare HTTP
stuff?

1059
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,910
Are you talking about on like an
iOS level library? Or something

1060
01:07:20,910 --> 01:07:22,920
like that? I don't know. I don't
know about iOS. I know that

1061
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:25,680
there's a lot of libraries out
there on the server side. I'm

1062
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:31,470
not sure clients either. Bitch
you there is. But now whether

1063
01:07:31,470 --> 01:07:33,750
there are any, you know, whether
there have any qualities that

1064
01:07:33,750 --> 01:07:35,580
they were storing? Of course,

1065
01:07:35,639 --> 01:07:41,369
of course, yeah. And I'd love
I'd love to do port ping to that

1066
01:07:41,369 --> 01:07:44,879
would be nice. But it's a little
tricky for my for my kind of

1067
01:07:44,939 --> 01:07:47,309
app, because I'm a server less

1068
01:07:48,420 --> 01:07:50,550
that you have no service at all,

1069
01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:58,589
at all, at all. I never, yes, I
never developed for servers. So

1070
01:07:58,589 --> 01:08:02,249
I wanted to do all on the on the
user's device that's better for

1071
01:08:02,249 --> 01:08:05,669
privacy. That's better for a lot
of things. You don't have to

1072
01:08:05,669 --> 01:08:08,999
deal with. You don't have to
deal with Docker containers with

1073
01:08:09,029 --> 01:08:12,449
UPS. Things got really messy.
Fast.

1074
01:08:12,659 --> 01:08:17,909
No kidding. Yeah. Yeah. So
you're you're so you're storing

1075
01:08:17,939 --> 01:08:20,819
how do people sign up for the
value for value? Are you using

1076
01:08:20,849 --> 01:08:21,719
LM pay and the

1077
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:27,420
LMP LM pay, which is astounding?
Yes. It's very, very good.

1078
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:31,170
In any sign up happens. I'm
sorry, I haven't used it. So the

1079
01:08:31,170 --> 01:08:32,700
signup happens in the app.

1080
01:08:33,390 --> 01:08:38,820
Yes, the you there is no need to
do a sign up. There's on LM

1081
01:08:38,820 --> 01:08:42,870
faders, and account for custom
Arctic, and custom Arctic can

1082
01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:49,770
generate wallets for every
single user and store on the on

1083
01:08:49,770 --> 01:08:54,900
the device, the keys, the
private keys, nice. Those are

1084
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:58,920
backed up to on an encrypted
file on the on the device and

1085
01:08:58,980 --> 01:09:03,450
the user can export it wherever,
wherever he wants. So he doesn't

1086
01:09:03,510 --> 01:09:08,580
if he loses the smartphone
there, they can recover

1087
01:09:08,970 --> 01:09:09,510
everything.

1088
01:09:10,110 --> 01:09:13,110
And that's backed up to iCloud
is an iCloud sync.

1089
01:09:13,829 --> 01:09:17,639
iCloud sync or file export,
there are two possibilities. So

1090
01:09:17,639 --> 01:09:20,969
you can export the file to and
store it wherever you want. Yes,

1091
01:09:21,029 --> 01:09:21,629
excellent.

1092
01:09:22,049 --> 01:09:25,619
Had you done any other Bitcoin
or lightning development work?

1093
01:09:25,619 --> 01:09:26,549
Was that all new for you?

1094
01:09:26,580 --> 01:09:29,430
No. No new or new? Completely
new? Yes.

1095
01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:32,460
How was the experience?

1096
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:39,300
Working with LMP was very, very
helpful. If I should work

1097
01:09:39,300 --> 01:09:44,190
directly with on the on the
chain or with the demos with

1098
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:49,230
LLMD the name is I think so.
Yes. It would be a really a lot

1099
01:09:49,260 --> 01:09:50,250
more complicated.

1100
01:09:50,789 --> 01:09:55,559
Yeah, agreed. Yeah, totally.
That's, that's 100% Sure, and

1101
01:09:55,559 --> 01:09:58,619
quite quite new stuff. So what
makes a lot of sense now that

1102
01:09:58,619 --> 01:10:02,399
you say that because you
observing some of the behavior

1103
01:10:02,429 --> 01:10:05,519
of cast ematic makes more sense
now that I know that it's

1104
01:10:05,519 --> 01:10:10,229
serverless because you have,
sometimes I'll see that it, it

1105
01:10:10,229 --> 01:10:14,969
will queue up a payment instead
of instead of going straight

1106
01:10:14,969 --> 01:10:19,079
through this, um I realized now
that there's no there's not a

1107
01:10:19,079 --> 01:10:21,899
caching layer so you're having
to do sort of do all that queue

1108
01:10:21,899 --> 01:10:24,479
management caching everything on
the on the phone

1109
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:30,120
and that's useful for for two
reasons. One is the LNP can be

1110
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:34,110
unreachable I've problems or the
device might be in a place where

1111
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:38,310
it has no network. But there's
also the issue where the

1112
01:10:38,310 --> 01:10:42,600
payments are very small. Usually
fees are very small in

1113
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:47,580
percentage and there's no need
to send five slots at a time. So

1114
01:10:47,580 --> 01:10:53,100
when 510 When you will have to
fight I think the minimum is 50

1115
01:10:53,550 --> 01:10:58,260
when the fees stack up to 50
sites then custom Arctic sends

1116
01:10:58,260 --> 01:11:01,170
it to Lm pay and the payment
goes Yes,

1117
01:11:01,589 --> 01:11:05,489
well it's very solid to be an
own device. thing it's it's

1118
01:11:05,489 --> 01:11:08,489
surprising how reliable the
payments ending is because I've

1119
01:11:08,489 --> 01:11:12,539
never had one fail I've had a
queue a lot but I've never had a

1120
01:11:12,539 --> 01:11:16,289
payment from CAST ematic fail
that I know of. So you your your

1121
01:11:16,289 --> 01:11:19,919
caching and queuing of all that
stuff is Yeah,

1122
01:11:20,730 --> 01:11:23,640
everything Yes, everything gets
stored in the in the in the

1123
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:29,040
local database. Every payment
has a record and and every now

1124
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:33,270
and then custom Matic tries to
stack those up and send those to

1125
01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:37,920
an MP and when the LM base and
sends an okay payments done. I

1126
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:41,340
mark those as paid in the
database so nothing should be

1127
01:11:41,340 --> 01:11:41,730
lost.

1128
01:11:41,850 --> 01:11:45,360
Man. This has been a really good
board meeting we have gotten

1129
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:50,730
under the hood of digital signal
processing of lead acid, add

1130
01:11:50,730 --> 01:11:56,370
lead acid batteries under the
hood of LM paid lightning API's

1131
01:11:56,370 --> 01:11:57,600
isn't read this is deep.

1132
01:12:00,750 --> 01:12:02,250
Not Not that she can Magneto.

1133
01:12:08,580 --> 01:12:13,200
I want to ask you, Franco. If
you can please send me a

1134
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:15,960
lightning node or I don't know
if you use LM pay or what you

1135
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,440
use. So we can put that put a
split in the value block if you

1136
01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:23,490
can email that to me. Of course
right away while Dave gets the

1137
01:12:23,490 --> 01:12:27,870
papers, then oh, they raise
papers that you have rustling

1138
01:12:27,870 --> 01:12:30,720
there. So we can thank a few
people for supporting the entire

1139
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:35,520
podcasting 2.0 project, of which
this is your annual your your

1140
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:39,390
weekly report. Every week you
hear what what your value is

1141
01:12:39,390 --> 01:12:45,180
doing, where it's being spent,
which is mainly on liquidity for

1142
01:12:45,180 --> 01:12:48,630
as many channels as we can
possibly maintain properly on

1143
01:12:48,630 --> 01:12:53,820
our node for the servers, etc.
And we always love to thank

1144
01:12:53,820 --> 01:12:56,460
everybody. If you want to
support us, you can use a new

1145
01:12:56,490 --> 01:13:00,570
podcast app a new podcast apps
calm, or I think pod

1146
01:13:00,570 --> 01:13:06,180
news.net/new podcast apps may
have a list that is sortable. I

1147
01:13:06,180 --> 01:13:09,870
think I heard James talking
about that. Yeah. And of course

1148
01:13:09,870 --> 01:13:12,750
if you want to send us some Fiat
fun coupons, you can click on

1149
01:13:12,750 --> 01:13:17,280
the fund button in your app if
you want, which should be a

1150
01:13:17,310 --> 01:13:20,430
little dollar sign or a piggy
bank or it'll be apparent or

1151
01:13:20,430 --> 01:13:23,640
just go to podcast index.org
Scroll down to the bottom and

1152
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,190
click on the big red donate
button. Dave who can we thank

1153
01:13:26,190 --> 01:13:28,800
for supporting us with some
value this week?

1154
01:13:29,850 --> 01:13:34,230
Right off the bat we've got $50
PayPal donation from and I don't

1155
01:13:34,230 --> 01:13:43,110
know how to pronounce this is
cute. Kunis ke U N E S from from

1156
01:13:43,110 --> 01:13:48,390
the antenna pod guys says I
think it's yeah, it says he says

1157
01:13:48,390 --> 01:13:51,330
hi gents. Long overdue. But
here's a big thank you for all

1158
01:13:51,330 --> 01:13:54,990
your wonderful work. Firstly for
creating the index providing a

1159
01:13:54,990 --> 01:13:58,230
reliable search in internet pod.
And of course for driving

1160
01:13:58,230 --> 01:14:01,170
innovation in the podcasting
sphere. Not only with value for

1161
01:14:01,170 --> 01:14:04,650
value system, but all those
beautiful tags. Looking forward

1162
01:14:04,650 --> 01:14:07,920
to the site promoting all this
greatness will continue to

1163
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:10,830
support with some treasure and
the limited time not talent I

1164
01:14:10,830 --> 01:14:15,360
have secretly hoping for this
Java secretly hoping that this

1165
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:18,600
Java dev wants to jump on
bringing more of this space to

1166
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:22,320
my beloved podcast app. Oh keep
it up and go podcast. Yes,

1167
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:27,660
thank you very much. I love
antenna pod it is I think

1168
01:14:27,690 --> 01:14:31,410
default on a lot. I think it's
default on graphene. Oh s I have

1169
01:14:31,410 --> 01:14:33,570
a feeling or was it was on mine
at least.

1170
01:14:34,230 --> 01:14:36,930
Oh really? Yes. It is desktop,
or is it mobile only?

1171
01:14:38,340 --> 01:14:41,760
I've only encountered it mobile.
I have a feeling it's also

1172
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:42,390
desktop.

1173
01:14:42,780 --> 01:14:45,870
I shall I shall look. Okay,
well, you

1174
01:14:45,870 --> 01:14:48,240
read the next. The next see.

1175
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:54,870
We got 2500 sets from hard hat.
And he said he says 2500 said

1176
01:14:54,870 --> 01:14:55,890
booze Oh

1177
01:14:55,890 --> 01:15:03,480
yeah. Um But no I think it's
Android only

1178
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:08,250
Android only Yeah, that's what
am I thinking I must I must be

1179
01:15:08,250 --> 01:15:14,460
thinking of the K D there's one
called casts I think up look it

1180
01:15:14,460 --> 01:15:14,700
up

1181
01:15:14,820 --> 01:15:19,020
well I mean he bought or this is
like the the you go to a when

1182
01:15:19,020 --> 01:15:22,230
you have a way not using Google
stuff you go to F droid it's

1183
01:15:22,230 --> 01:15:25,890
like you search for podcast app
and antenna pods popping up.

1184
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:33,600
Okay, yeah. Get a 4200 cent
donation for Spencer and he said

1185
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:37,680
booster Grammy says. Day said no
one has sent boost the other

1186
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:43,020
way. Allow me to set the record
straight. Oh, okay. bowl after

1187
01:15:43,020 --> 01:15:46,530
bowl held a photo contest in our
sinks tribe for the for 20.

1188
01:15:46,530 --> 01:15:50,910
Special in Episode 77. Good as
luck. We announced the winners,

1189
01:15:51,060 --> 01:15:55,080
blueberry and Jim see who split
the 42,000 sat grand prize.

1190
01:15:55,620 --> 01:15:58,230
Good. This contest had been the
first contest of its kind in

1191
01:15:58,230 --> 01:16:00,390
podcasting. 2.0. No,

1192
01:16:00,570 --> 01:16:04,380
no, because they were there. We
know. They were using the Sphinx

1193
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:07,080
tribe functionality.

1194
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:09,450
Are you willing to foul on that?
I

1195
01:16:09,450 --> 01:16:13,920
am Carly's flag on the play
Yellowcard. Yes, we've covered

1196
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:18,780
all the bases. I mean, of
course, it's fantastic. And I

1197
01:16:18,780 --> 01:16:21,390
love it. That's the whole idea
is to do stuff like that. But I

1198
01:16:21,390 --> 01:16:23,700
think that only worked in the
tribe because you couldn't send

1199
01:16:23,700 --> 01:16:26,760
SATs back to someone in the
tribe. What we want is to be

1200
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:29,910
able to send SATs back to
someone who just sent you SATs

1201
01:16:29,910 --> 01:16:34,710
from a podcast app in the app in
the app. Yeah, in the app would

1202
01:16:34,710 --> 01:16:39,390
be weird. And no, I It's the
future is this will happen. This

1203
01:16:39,390 --> 01:16:42,600
will totally happen. And you'll
be able to buy stuff or buy

1204
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:47,010
stuff you know grief. It's so
obvious this is coming. I'm just

1205
01:16:47,010 --> 01:16:48,840
gonna have to sit here and wait
for it to happen.

1206
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:54,030
Thank you for your 4200 Sasser
sponsor, but not

1207
01:16:56,790 --> 01:16:59,310
incorrect. Didn't have to be
that mean about it.

1208
01:16:59,910 --> 01:17:04,140
I love you Spencer. So, Franco,
how weird would that be? If

1209
01:17:04,140 --> 01:17:08,760
you're listening to a podcast,
and you got randomly selected in

1210
01:17:08,790 --> 01:17:11,640
and you're listening to it and
Casta Matic and then all of a

1211
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:16,290
sudden like 5000 shet SAS just
show up in your wallet? I guess.

1212
01:17:17,610 --> 01:17:21,540
I mean, you could do it and it
was I mean you don't need like

1213
01:17:21,630 --> 01:17:25,410
your LM pay so it's all it could
all just have the only you

1214
01:17:25,410 --> 01:17:26,670
wouldn't even have to do
anything

1215
01:17:26,700 --> 01:17:31,740
the only thing you need to do is
you need to be able to the

1216
01:17:31,740 --> 01:17:35,310
podcast or has to be able to
know where to send it. How do

1217
01:17:35,310 --> 01:17:36,300
you close that loop?

1218
01:17:37,110 --> 01:17:40,860
Okay, so in Is there a TLV
anywhere in there for the

1219
01:17:40,860 --> 01:17:43,110
sender's cell it?

1220
01:17:44,580 --> 01:17:51,480
I don't know. If not, we'll just
try to hijack another one. It

1221
01:17:51,480 --> 01:17:59,130
might be but I didn't look at it
a lot because wallets on on LM

1222
01:17:59,130 --> 01:18:05,940
pay normal wallets don't ever
have a complete address,

1223
01:18:05,970 --> 01:18:08,310
right? You have to use the key

1224
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:13,890
custom value by custom key and
custom values are only for a

1225
01:18:13,890 --> 01:18:19,110
special type of wallet on LMP.
That is called the podcast or

1226
01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:22,680
wallet those you can generate I
think only on the on the

1227
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:27,510
websites and you can't do it via
the API. Oh, systematic

1228
01:18:27,660 --> 01:18:32,940
systematic can only generate
what is called a standard wallet

1229
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:37,560
a generic wallet. And I'm
looking at it right now. Generic

1230
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:43,320
wallet don't have don't have the
custom key custom value assigned

1231
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:47,010
to it. So I can I think there's
no way to send back.

1232
01:18:47,490 --> 01:18:51,810
I think there is I think there
is actually I think that the

1233
01:18:51,810 --> 01:18:57,180
standard wallets use a different
I think they use a different TLV

1234
01:18:57,390 --> 01:19:02,280
custom key. I think they it's
like a 112 to something. I'll

1235
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:05,910
find it I think you actually can
Oh, well I'll look and I'll be

1236
01:19:05,910 --> 01:19:11,400
very good. Thank you. We'll test
it we'll test it out. Okay, so

1237
01:19:11,459 --> 01:19:13,829
that'd be sexy. I just want a
button you know, just kind of

1238
01:19:13,829 --> 01:19:18,059
like I have one of these now,
but then I just want to be able

1239
01:19:18,059 --> 01:19:22,739
to say okay, hold on a second.
There you go Dave Jones I just

1240
01:19:22,739 --> 01:19:24,479
dropped some sass in your wallet
brother.

1241
01:19:25,290 --> 01:19:28,410
I'm looking now at this and
there is a field in there called

1242
01:19:28,410 --> 01:19:34,470
Cinder underscore key. It sounds
like what we need cool. We were

1243
01:19:34,470 --> 01:19:37,200
gonna we're gonna have to play
with this. This is important.

1244
01:19:38,460 --> 01:19:43,170
Okay, the veal Wait, no. He's
gives us pronunciation says

1245
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:49,380
pronounced will plus Lee so
Willy Willy Willy. Willy. Willy

1246
01:19:49,440 --> 01:19:49,860
Willy.

1247
01:19:49,980 --> 01:19:53,310
Don't be daft. Don't be silly.
Put a snakeskin on your Willie.

1248
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:58,620
Is that a note? Is that an old
that Australia? No,

1249
01:19:58,650 --> 01:20:01,830
no, I will Who told me that was
David Coverdale?

1250
01:20:02,970 --> 01:20:07,260
From Whitesnake from Whitesnake.
Yeah, okay, that makes sense.

1251
01:20:07,290 --> 01:20:07,680
And that

1252
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,440
just came out just was a
Whitesnake memory moment that

1253
01:20:10,590 --> 01:20:12,000
slipped out. Sorry.

1254
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:15,120
Was his wife still laying on the
hood of the Jaguar? That was it?

1255
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:15,570
Yeah.

1256
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:16,920
And you know she passed away.

1257
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:19,860
Yeah, Tommy oh me something.

1258
01:20:19,890 --> 01:20:24,480
I was at their wedding. Tony you
didn't know this I yeah, I was

1259
01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:27,420
at their wedding The Four
Seasons in LA It was a long time

1260
01:20:27,420 --> 01:20:31,200
ago. And he was living with her
and incline Valley incline

1261
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:37,200
village in Lake Tahoe and she
was I remember him cuz I Adrian

1262
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:40,620
Vandenberg koi Dutch guitar
player was in Whitesnake and I

1263
01:20:40,890 --> 01:20:44,490
know Adrian really well. And so
I was on the I went out to a

1264
01:20:44,490 --> 01:20:46,410
couple of their shows when they
came through New York, New

1265
01:20:46,410 --> 01:20:50,280
Jersey. And and you know, like,
the third time I could hear him

1266
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:53,460
go like, you know, they were
just married. He'd be like, call

1267
01:20:53,460 --> 01:20:55,710
right after the show. Hello,
kitten. How are you kidding? We

1268
01:20:55,710 --> 01:20:58,980
had a great show kitten. And
then three shows laters like,

1269
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:04,470
Damn, man, she spent 100 grand
on curtains. Anyway, so they I'm

1270
01:21:04,470 --> 01:21:08,490
not telling you the truth. So
they did separate but sadly, she

1271
01:21:08,850 --> 01:21:12,930
she just got addicted. She was
on Celebrity Rehab with Dr.

1272
01:21:12,930 --> 01:21:17,160
Drew. Yeah, that was a weird
episode because I knew three

1273
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:21,780
people who were on that series,
Dr. Drew, who are all at the

1274
01:21:21,780 --> 01:21:27,990
same time and then if she passed
away she know, she had no she

1275
01:21:27,990 --> 01:21:31,140
wasn't doing too well. So sad,
but she's doing better. But I

1276
01:21:31,140 --> 01:21:33,810
think there was so much abuse to
her body that it just gave out.

1277
01:21:34,050 --> 01:21:36,960
Anyway, on an upbeat note. What
the hell are we talking about

1278
01:21:36,990 --> 01:21:39,420
slip of the tongue was my
favorite album so

1279
01:21:40,890 --> 01:21:42,150
it's a great a great title.

1280
01:21:43,500 --> 01:21:49,170
So Willie says he gave us 1000
sets and he says but almost

1281
01:21:49,170 --> 01:21:53,100
functional programming speak.
Although I prefer calling them

1282
01:21:53,100 --> 01:21:57,750
maybes optionals is almost as
good. Next up mapping functors

1283
01:21:57,780 --> 01:22:05,190
mon and Mon ads. Oh, yeah. This
I have no idea what any of these

1284
01:22:05,190 --> 01:22:10,380
means. Functional programming
speak. Alright, functional

1285
01:22:10,380 --> 01:22:15,030
programming speak. We need it we
need Thank you really. But I

1286
01:22:15,030 --> 01:22:17,550
don't know what a functor is or
a monad you know what that is

1287
01:22:17,550 --> 01:22:18,000
Franca.

1288
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:23,670
Oh no, I read about those but an
actor yes is to isolate for for

1289
01:22:23,730 --> 01:22:28,050
work for synchronization is a
higher level kind of like

1290
01:22:28,050 --> 01:22:32,310
semaphores but the higher level
you have something that is like

1291
01:22:32,310 --> 01:22:36,030
a class but everything that goes
inside in and out of that

1292
01:22:36,060 --> 01:22:39,720
happens on a single thread and
it's synchronize the source so

1293
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:43,740
you have you not have no problem
with multiple credit assessing

1294
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:44,880
the variables.

1295
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:50,100
I still get no idea which Thank
you, but thank you for thank you

1296
01:22:50,100 --> 01:22:55,140
for trying to John. John's
Bertie's is in this 10,040

1297
01:22:55,140 --> 01:22:57,480
nonsense and he says go
podcasting.

1298
01:22:57,510 --> 01:23:00,330
Yeah, indeed. Podcast.

1299
01:23:02,370 --> 01:23:06,090
Okay, so what's a monad? What's
that? I don't know. I really

1300
01:23:06,090 --> 01:23:12,450
don't. Okay, all right. Eris
statica that he have top of the

1301
01:23:12,450 --> 01:23:17,250
leaderboard fame. He's still
he's still king the hill just

1302
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:18,060
throwing that out there.

1303
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:20,730
But he's not he's not up in the
ante. He's looking for

1304
01:23:20,730 --> 01:23:22,620
challenges he's looking for
challengers.

1305
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:25,260
Well, I mean, he didn't have to
I mean, he's just sitting up

1306
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:33,450
Yeah, right. With a beer 2376
SATs and he says PSB equals

1307
01:23:33,450 --> 01:23:39,390
personal standard booster Yes,
we figured it out. Grab somebody

1308
01:23:39,390 --> 01:23:47,190
hold his beer, but was anonymous
19 165 SATs and from curio

1309
01:23:47,190 --> 01:23:51,000
Castro he says here's your cut
of a messaged tip from curio

1310
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:51,510
caster

1311
01:23:52,290 --> 01:23:58,830
I got I got that too. I also got
to one of those here's a tip

1312
01:23:58,830 --> 01:24:00,120
from curio caster

1313
01:24:00,690 --> 01:24:03,450
I wonder if that's something new
he's doing where he's mostly it

1314
01:24:03,450 --> 01:24:05,370
must render anonymous messages.

1315
01:24:05,820 --> 01:24:10,080
I don't know but I because I
remember I sent a boost there

1316
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:12,960
was just a boost and it came
through like that so maybe he's

1317
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:18,420
adding that he's making booster
grams out of boosts why not? Why

1318
01:24:18,420 --> 01:24:21,120
not? Yeah, I was happy to see
like okay

1319
01:24:22,770 --> 01:24:30,120
now I see it. Anonymous
1011 1111 cents so as a second

1320
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:35,730
ones he sent through Brees Oh,
this is a Circus circus media.

1321
01:24:35,850 --> 01:24:39,480
Oh yeah. Yeah, he says thank you
for your courage boost

1322
01:24:40,890 --> 01:24:45,480
Yeah. I think I need to record
you doing that this become kind

1323
01:24:45,480 --> 01:24:49,260
of a little drop all by its own
your boost. Quite well.

1324
01:24:49,590 --> 01:24:57,390
Boost. Even our sent 500 sets
sent to fountain he says we'd

1325
01:24:57,390 --> 01:25:01,500
love to hear the boardrooms,
thoughts on synonyms. Check out

1326
01:25:01,950 --> 01:25:06,090
T FTC to 81 with John Carvalho
Do you notice synonym is?

1327
01:25:07,410 --> 01:25:10,320
Is that? Uh, no, I don't think I
do. I don't need I have a

1328
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:15,090
feeling it's to why am I
thinking it's a chat app or

1329
01:25:15,090 --> 01:25:15,630
something?

1330
01:25:17,039 --> 01:25:18,599
Like a functor or mon ad.

1331
01:25:19,139 --> 01:25:22,589
I think it's similar to a monad.
But it doesn't have the Joie de

1332
01:25:22,589 --> 01:25:24,689
Vivre of a functor

1333
01:25:26,010 --> 01:25:27,840
flowmeter sounds like

1334
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:32,040
another great band name, let's
be honest about Yeah, ladies and

1335
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:34,080
gentlemen, just give it up for
functor,

1336
01:25:34,350 --> 01:25:40,170
the mothership? Wild that is I
can't totally wrap my head

1337
01:25:40,170 --> 01:25:43,290
around. Could podcasting 2.0 you
such an interesting technology?

1338
01:25:43,500 --> 01:25:45,270
I don't know what it is. Maybe?

1339
01:25:45,660 --> 01:25:51,090
I don't know. I don't know. I
will say just as an aside, I had

1340
01:25:51,090 --> 01:25:56,520
a moment of clarity today.
Guyana works in New York. He

1341
01:25:56,520 --> 01:26:00,210
works at a big consulting firm.
And he's worked. He worked on

1342
01:26:00,300 --> 01:26:03,240
smart contracts and his theory
and all that now he's gotten

1343
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:06,750
into quote, unquote, the
metaverse and he's working on

1344
01:26:06,750 --> 01:26:10,020
the commercial side of the
metaverse but also on the open

1345
01:26:10,020 --> 01:26:13,770
source version of the metaverse,
which is called decentraland.

1346
01:26:14,370 --> 01:26:18,720
And have you heard about like
that? decentraland? No, so it's

1347
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:22,560
decentraland.org. And you
literally, you hit it with the

1348
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:25,650
browser, and you can, you know,
enter the world and it's very

1349
01:26:25,650 --> 01:26:30,270
second lifee. And you can
navigate and do all that stuff.

1350
01:26:30,270 --> 01:26:35,130
And it's and I'm talking with
them saying, so what is the

1351
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:37,950
point? It's cool, because
obviously I can just hit it with

1352
01:26:37,950 --> 01:26:40,980
any browser and I'm walking
around in a world and I can

1353
01:26:41,190 --> 01:26:45,210
create my avatar and I can build
stuff. It's kind of Minecraft

1354
01:26:45,210 --> 01:26:50,880
level graphics is just running
on a surface go running Linux

1355
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:53,850
min. So I'm already pretty
impressed. You know, you people

1356
01:26:53,850 --> 01:26:57,120
are chatting, you can hear. You
can hear them. You could if you

1357
01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:00,180
hook connect your mic, you can
talk back to them. And so what

1358
01:27:00,180 --> 01:27:04,260
is this? It's against the
metaverse. But what is the

1359
01:27:04,260 --> 01:27:10,260
point? I mean, we have an M is
so slow to get from one place to

1360
01:27:10,260 --> 01:27:13,140
another to go to Yeah, I guess
it could teleport to chat to

1361
01:27:13,140 --> 01:27:17,400
someone, but I you know, so we
just stand around the pool table

1362
01:27:17,430 --> 01:27:22,260
that we're not really going to
play pool on. It just Yeah, but

1363
01:27:22,260 --> 01:27:24,480
you know, you can exchange
stuff. Yeah, I understand. But I

1364
01:27:24,480 --> 01:27:27,630
can exchange stuff with a QR
code. Anyway, long story short,

1365
01:27:27,630 --> 01:27:31,170
I realize, you know, after
finally going through this kind

1366
01:27:31,170 --> 01:27:34,530
of circle of question and
answer. The Metaverse is just

1367
01:27:34,530 --> 01:27:40,110
another clubhouse with badass
avatar just avatars and you're

1368
01:27:40,110 --> 01:27:42,960
in club so what what's the well
creators can connect with their

1369
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:45,180
fans? Well, that's what
clubhouse was,

1370
01:27:45,450 --> 01:27:49,140
is yeah, it's it's a social
audio. Yeah, and

1371
01:27:49,140 --> 01:27:52,680
no one cares. And it's a mess.

1372
01:27:53,340 --> 01:27:56,790
Just like they don't care about
fire fireside chat or no no.

1373
01:27:56,910 --> 01:28:00,930
Well the the thing I definitely
see this I mean if if you need a

1374
01:28:00,930 --> 01:28:04,890
workforce that needs to go into
some low Rez room and is

1375
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:10,980
basically using a data glove and
VR glasses to train a robot AI

1376
01:28:11,700 --> 01:28:16,650
Yeah, sure. It's great for slave
labor your kids can do it. Yeah,

1377
01:28:17,220 --> 01:28:21,600
but I don't see much beyond
that. That is that is not I mean

1378
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:25,500
don't we already live in a make
believe worlds you know zoom.

1379
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:28,890
You use fake backgrounds. You
know you do all kinds you can

1380
01:28:28,890 --> 01:28:32,340
use filters on your face
Instagram, not a single woman on

1381
01:28:32,340 --> 01:28:35,490
there's actually what she looks
like, aren't we already kind of

1382
01:28:35,490 --> 01:28:38,520
in that world? Do we have to
take it to that next step of

1383
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:39,870
stumbling around?

1384
01:28:40,260 --> 01:28:44,310
This is the problem with all of
this stuff like short form audio

1385
01:28:44,310 --> 01:28:49,680
and all in meta verses and the
problem is time nobody has

1386
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:52,170
enough time to do all this crap.
I'm command

1387
01:28:52,170 --> 01:28:55,350
line brother I even stepped out
of the GUI. That's how much time

1388
01:28:55,350 --> 01:28:56,340
I need to save.

1389
01:28:56,640 --> 01:29:00,420
I know like so. You know, I'm
thinking that I mean, who is

1390
01:29:00,420 --> 01:29:07,590
gonna sit around and do a do a
Twitter spaces more than maybe

1391
01:29:07,590 --> 01:29:10,890
once every six months? I know
nobody has time for this crap

1392
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:11,430
No, listen,

1393
01:29:11,430 --> 01:29:13,980
this is this is this is where
it's going. That's that was the

1394
01:29:13,980 --> 01:29:19,020
big epiphany. This is for the
groups of people and and I think

1395
01:29:19,020 --> 01:29:24,240
Italy will be high on this list
Franco, groups of people, if not

1396
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:28,050
entire countries, populations
who are sitting at home

1397
01:29:28,050 --> 01:29:31,950
receiving universal basic
income. And during the day they

1398
01:29:31,950 --> 01:29:34,800
hang out in the metaverse and
train AI.

1399
01:29:37,140 --> 01:29:38,400
And disturbing

1400
01:29:38,430 --> 01:29:41,220
you don't you know how sphinx
Chad had which I thought was

1401
01:29:41,220 --> 01:29:45,150
really cool. You know they have
people in which is the other

1402
01:29:45,180 --> 01:29:48,180
their real business or part one
of their businesses where they

1403
01:29:48,180 --> 01:29:53,790
have people in the Philippines
and and they pay them per image.

1404
01:29:54,060 --> 01:29:59,970
And these images are i No one
was training. Video care

1405
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,270
cameras, you know, like security
cameras. And so they show an

1406
01:30:03,270 --> 01:30:06,570
image cat, okay? Not a threat,
click click on the Not a threat

1407
01:30:06,570 --> 01:30:09,330
button, they show an image of a
dude. Alright threat click on

1408
01:30:09,330 --> 01:30:11,760
the threat button. So they're
training the AI all day and they

1409
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:14,490
get 100 SATs or something,
whatever they get for each time

1410
01:30:14,490 --> 01:30:19,470
they process an image. And this
is no different from my daughter

1411
01:30:19,470 --> 01:30:21,450
stopped doing it. But she was
working for one of those

1412
01:30:21,450 --> 01:30:25,200
companies to make some extra
money during the lockdown, where

1413
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:31,080
she evaluates search questions
on Google or Siri, and then you

1414
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:34,380
know, has to direct and make
sure that those are corrected

1415
01:30:34,380 --> 01:30:38,490
and directed towards the the
right answers. So this is what

1416
01:30:38,490 --> 01:30:41,070
peep that's what I think it will
be for and it'll be great. And

1417
01:30:41,070 --> 01:30:43,890
then you sit around and then you
throw a sex ball in the corner

1418
01:30:43,890 --> 01:30:47,430
and whatever, you know, like
Second Life. Yeah, just for a

1419
01:30:47,430 --> 01:30:50,760
little distraction. Yeah, I
think that'll work fine.

1420
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:53,280
Meanwhile, we'll be out in the
real world walking dogs.

1421
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:57,900
Of course. This this is a
dystopian version of the future.

1422
01:30:57,900 --> 01:30:59,730
I don't I don't want to live in.

1423
01:31:00,510 --> 01:31:04,530
I read an article we are already
doing something like that with

1424
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:09,090
CAPTCHA every time we solve Yes,
correct. We we teach an

1425
01:31:09,570 --> 01:31:15,840
artificial an AI to to drive?
Yes. We have to recognize the

1426
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:21,360
semaphores buses, cars and stuff
like that, because they need it

1427
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:22,740
for self driving cars.

1428
01:31:23,550 --> 01:31:28,440
Well, that's the old thing of
you know, have they the porn

1429
01:31:28,440 --> 01:31:32,970
sites put up a CAPTCHA in your
your solving a CAPTCHA. But what

1430
01:31:32,970 --> 01:31:35,550
you're really solving is not a
CAPTCHA for the for the site

1431
01:31:35,550 --> 01:31:37,860
that you're about to go into.
You're solving a CAPTCHA in an

1432
01:31:37,860 --> 01:31:41,550
iframe for somebody taking over
a Gmail account in in a third

1433
01:31:41,550 --> 01:31:42,150
world country.

1434
01:31:43,440 --> 01:31:45,090
That's pretty much right. Yeah,

1435
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:47,040
yeah. That's that's the fact
that's the factory.

1436
01:31:47,130 --> 01:31:49,590
Yeah. Unfortunate.
Unfortunately, we're helping

1437
01:31:49,590 --> 01:31:51,480
Google with that. Mainly.

1438
01:31:52,410 --> 01:31:57,660
Cast pitlane is helping us with
3300 sets. It says thank you for

1439
01:31:57,660 --> 01:31:59,040
the show. No, thank you.

1440
01:31:59,430 --> 01:32:00,930
Thank you. Thank you.

1441
01:32:03,480 --> 01:32:12,090
Let's see. Oh, Abel Kirby. Aha
3900 53,915 sets enables a set

1442
01:32:12,090 --> 01:32:15,480
string where he says yeah, but
my booster Graham spam didn't go

1443
01:32:15,480 --> 01:32:20,070
through. Oh, okay. Oh, I missed
it. I didn't see the booster

1444
01:32:20,070 --> 01:32:20,430
spam.

1445
01:32:20,459 --> 01:32:24,509
No, no. Hey, hey, I liked I
hadn't heard of that term yet.

1446
01:32:24,509 --> 01:32:26,099
Booster spam. Good one.

1447
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:28,560
Yeah, that's what that's what he
said. I read around he said

1448
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:36,450
booster spam. That was not mine.
Are that's it for for SAS and

1449
01:32:36,450 --> 01:32:40,200
our monthly guys. Keith Gibson
gave us $50 Thank you. Kay

1450
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:47,220
excuse been given forever. Oh,
sir servi from clever.fm gave us

1451
01:32:47,220 --> 01:32:54,570
$5 David would find gave us $3
And Nygma labs $20. That Timothy

1452
01:32:54,570 --> 01:32:57,090
Hudgens my buddy I saw him last
night at our school function.

1453
01:32:57,120 --> 01:33:03,930
$25 Thomas Sullivan Jr. gave us
$5 and Jeremy Gurdas give us $5

1454
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:12,840
Derek Visca $21 Damon Casta Jack
$15 Paul Saltzman our buddy

1455
01:33:12,870 --> 01:33:15,240
gives 2020 Yep, always 20.

1456
01:33:15,810 --> 01:33:21,300
Yeah. SEAN MILLER gave us $10 In
David Norman from hyperkinetic,

1457
01:33:21,300 --> 01:33:23,520
hey, hey, David.

1458
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:29,970
Mr. David. All right. Yes, and I
wanted to make a recommendation

1459
01:33:29,970 --> 01:33:33,990
if you want to support the show,
and maybe instead of doing a

1460
01:33:33,990 --> 01:33:41,490
PayPal, do your $20 or $5 or $50
in Satoshis it's a great way now

1461
01:33:41,490 --> 01:33:49,290
that we are 10% 10% less value
than the last show as Bitcoin is

1462
01:33:49,290 --> 01:33:54,810
currently around 57 500. If you
send us those stats, now, they

1463
01:33:54,810 --> 01:33:58,980
all stay on the node. But then
when we eventually need some,

1464
01:33:59,010 --> 01:34:01,740
it'll be higher and it'll be an
even bigger support.

1465
01:34:03,180 --> 01:34:05,790
Feature Match? Your match? Yes.

1466
01:34:05,820 --> 01:34:08,790
It's like NPR. Yeah. And you
know, we'll give you a tote bag.

1467
01:34:10,740 --> 01:34:11,790
Next feature Matt,

1468
01:34:13,140 --> 01:34:19,080
future tote bag. No, seriously,
that's a that would be a great

1469
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:22,470
opportunity. Because I think I
think it will rebound. I'm not

1470
01:34:22,470 --> 01:34:25,290
too worried about this price.
I'm looking

1471
01:34:25,290 --> 01:34:28,920
at synonym here. This is synonym
or provide us with new pick one

1472
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:31,890
powered services. It looks like
they're a lightning service

1473
01:34:31,890 --> 01:34:37,680
provider. Oh, okay. It says
block tank LSP is one of their

1474
01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:39,750
products your full service
lightning service provider

1475
01:34:39,750 --> 01:34:42,840
businesses, platforms, apps or
Bitcoiners can configure and

1476
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:46,620
purchase Lightning Network
Connections and liquidity. I'll

1477
01:34:46,620 --> 01:34:47,490
have to look through this.

1478
01:34:47,850 --> 01:34:52,110
Oh I see synonym introduces the
architecture for us. Oh, is it

1479
01:34:52,110 --> 01:34:56,520
self sovereign? I'm clicking on
it. Bitcoin Economy supported by

1480
01:34:56,520 --> 01:34:58,980
the Lightning Network. Oh, okay.
So we do have to learn I'm gonna

1481
01:34:59,010 --> 01:35:02,250
put this up in the show notes so
people can take a look at that.

1482
01:35:02,250 --> 01:35:03,000
That's interesting.

1483
01:35:03,570 --> 01:35:09,390
Did you see that? Did y'all see
that? New podcast is coming out?

1484
01:35:09,390 --> 01:35:13,620
This is like says it's funded by
Bitcoin. Did you see that?

1485
01:35:14,100 --> 01:35:17,460
I heard. Where did you read? Did
you see this?

1486
01:35:17,489 --> 01:35:21,329
Well, yeah, James posted about
it on the thing. And then I sent

1487
01:35:21,329 --> 01:35:24,989
us an email about it. It just
says funded by Bitcoin and I

1488
01:35:24,989 --> 01:35:26,249
don't know what that means.

1489
01:35:26,310 --> 01:35:31,080
No, it was kind of fuzzy for me
too. Yeah. Especially because he

1490
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:33,390
was saying I should go talk to
them. Like what?

1491
01:35:34,079 --> 01:35:36,929
Yeah, well, I guess I mean, if
they if they come out with a

1492
01:35:36,929 --> 01:35:40,019
Bitcoin podcast, and they don't
have it value for value, and

1493
01:35:40,109 --> 01:35:41,099
then I'm gonna put in

1494
01:35:41,100 --> 01:35:49,170
their shit coiners basically
it's a backup Bitcoiners pod. If

1495
01:35:49,170 --> 01:35:51,780
you if you're into Bitcoin, you
have a podcast and you're not

1496
01:35:51,780 --> 01:35:53,430
doing value for value. Hmm.

1497
01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:56,610
It's a chicken shit cast.

1498
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:03,030
Well, thank you very much,
everybody. That is. I was well,

1499
01:36:03,090 --> 01:36:05,580
it's what keeps us going. It's
what keeps everything running.

1500
01:36:05,700 --> 01:36:11,340
Keeps the machine rolling out.
Now we're also we've increased

1501
01:36:11,340 --> 01:36:15,060
our costs, right? We're we have
the deal with LM pay in place as

1502
01:36:15,090 --> 01:36:20,190
Tim sent us an invoice. I hope
so. We had to remind him, remind

1503
01:36:20,190 --> 01:36:23,910
him I think he mentioned the
shield. He is He is and that's

1504
01:36:23,910 --> 01:36:24,900
an invoice, bro.

1505
01:36:25,500 --> 01:36:28,650
Yep, I hope I hope so. Cuz let's
check with every but we I mean,

1506
01:36:28,740 --> 01:36:31,260
if he hadn't we had, it's bad
when you get to bug people to

1507
01:36:31,260 --> 01:36:36,390
pay it to to get paid? Like,
that's the opposite of what it

1508
01:36:36,390 --> 01:36:41,160
should be. Just get free. Okay.
Go ahead, Dave. Yeah, Franco, I

1509
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:47,760
was just gonna ask you. How has
your cut of lightning and stuff?

1510
01:36:47,790 --> 01:36:50,400
I mean, if you made any decent
amount of sets,

1511
01:36:51,150 --> 01:36:55,440
early? Oh, yes, they're coming.
There's a 4% I think fee.

1512
01:36:55,590 --> 01:36:59,550
Nice. There you go. I like that.
I like seeing that very good.

1513
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:05,190
I think that's fair. And it's
very fair. We, I might do

1514
01:37:05,190 --> 01:37:09,750
something something more, I used
to have ads in customer article

1515
01:37:09,870 --> 01:37:14,100
a couple years ago, then I
removed them all. Because I

1516
01:37:14,100 --> 01:37:18,750
didn't want to integrate
Google's libraries. And such I

1517
01:37:18,750 --> 01:37:24,060
removed the old old tracking
stuff from from, and there's the

1518
01:37:24,060 --> 01:37:28,770
possibility to pay via in app
purchase. Originally, it was

1519
01:37:28,770 --> 01:37:32,250
meant to remove the ads. And
right now, it just says no. As

1520
01:37:32,250 --> 01:37:35,910
for everybody, if you want to
support me, you can do in a

1521
01:37:35,910 --> 01:37:40,650
purchase. But I think that in
one of the next releases when

1522
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:45,690
when you reach an some amount of
fees paid via value for value,

1523
01:37:45,690 --> 01:37:51,660
you get the same features as you
would have when when within a

1524
01:37:51,660 --> 01:37:58,350
purchase, maybe one, I will I
will remove AAP completely. That

1525
01:37:58,350 --> 01:37:58,890
Oh guys,

1526
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:01,830
how are you? How are you finding
the onboarding process for

1527
01:38:01,830 --> 01:38:05,880
people? Where do you get any
feedback from your users? Like I

1528
01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:08,490
mean onboarding for value for
value. Yeah, sorry. Wow.

1529
01:38:08,550 --> 01:38:09,960
Right. Right now,

1530
01:38:10,620 --> 01:38:16,410
I think just the geeky, geeky
users and and people that that

1531
01:38:16,710 --> 01:38:21,480
are on podcasts index.org Are
our onboarding and so I think

1532
01:38:21,480 --> 01:38:25,110
they had no no issue because not
nobody had problems. There was

1533
01:38:25,110 --> 01:38:29,100
some problems in in the in the
UI for boosting and they

1534
01:38:29,100 --> 01:38:35,130
reported it I already solved
those most of those in 801 but I

1535
01:38:35,130 --> 01:38:38,850
think on onboarding is is most
you don't get presented with

1536
01:38:38,850 --> 01:38:43,290
anything until you try to list
them with with some to some

1537
01:38:43,290 --> 01:38:47,010
called podcast that has value
for value then you have you have

1538
01:38:47,010 --> 01:38:54,300
a box in the in the player that
says no wallet configured up all

1539
01:38:54,300 --> 01:38:57,270
the information you can generate
the wallet with no problem they

1540
01:38:57,270 --> 01:39:01,500
ask you if you want to backup
and from that is almost

1541
01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:03,270
everything is automatic. And
Andrew

1542
01:39:03,539 --> 01:39:06,479
like I liked it. That's
serverless that's that's very

1543
01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:07,169
impressive.

1544
01:39:07,829 --> 01:39:08,879
Yeah, yeah. Yeah,

1545
01:39:08,940 --> 01:39:13,830
it's it's very difficult to you
have to work a lot to spare

1546
01:39:13,830 --> 01:39:17,790
battery and bandwidth. Yeah, all
every every single every single

1547
01:39:17,790 --> 01:39:21,120
feed from the device can be
costly, but I have some

1548
01:39:21,120 --> 01:39:27,030
optimization. The the app tries
to tries to predict when the

1549
01:39:27,030 --> 01:39:28,500
next episode will be.

1550
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:32,520
Oh, maybe you should maybe share
between episodes. Yes, exactly.

1551
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:36,270
You share algorithms with Dave
so you guys synchronize that's

1552
01:39:36,270 --> 01:39:39,090
Could you do the same thing
meantime between episodes?

1553
01:39:39,510 --> 01:39:42,030
Yes. I feel like that is
brilliant. The name is

1554
01:39:42,030 --> 01:39:43,170
different. But yes,

1555
01:39:43,230 --> 01:39:44,370
the same. What do you call it?

1556
01:39:45,119 --> 01:39:49,619
I don't remember. Go into source
codes but the tight time

1557
01:39:49,619 --> 01:39:52,049
interval between episodes or
something like that

1558
01:39:52,379 --> 01:39:55,349
in TBE as much as much rolls off
the tongue Yeah, right.

1559
01:39:55,350 --> 01:39:58,170
Sure. Does. I mean that's that's
now official. Yeah. That's

1560
01:39:58,170 --> 01:40:02,400
official language. Yeah. Just
change your code right away.

1561
01:40:02,790 --> 01:40:03,900
I will. I will.

1562
01:40:05,100 --> 01:40:10,020
I was just looking here and I
just realized that Oh, no, no, I

1563
01:40:10,020 --> 01:40:13,050
was I was subscribed, okay,
because that I was I subscribed

1564
01:40:13,050 --> 01:40:16,320
to every if any app podcast app
has an in app purchase, I'm

1565
01:40:16,350 --> 01:40:19,050
subscribed to all of them and I
was like, Oh, let me make sure

1566
01:40:19,050 --> 01:40:21,510
that I was in cosmetics. So I
went in there and I realized I

1567
01:40:21,510 --> 01:40:26,970
had testflight installed I was
on the beta it's it's not going

1568
01:40:26,970 --> 01:40:30,270
to do it but then I flipped back
over to the normal one and hit

1569
01:40:30,270 --> 01:40:32,670
Restore purchases said he said
you've already purchased this so

1570
01:40:32,670 --> 01:40:35,880
I'm like okay, I had a panic
moment. I'm good. Is there it?

1571
01:40:36,180 --> 01:40:41,040
Go ahead if I'll tell you what I
tell everybody give give me more

1572
01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:45,510
options. So like okay, only in
only in your app. It only says

1573
01:40:45,510 --> 01:40:50,790
999 a year. Oh, I want I want in
there a 29 Nine a year and a

1574
01:40:50,790 --> 01:40:55,140
5999 99 a year I want I want
some different options if if

1575
01:40:55,140 --> 01:40:58,170
it's possible because I went
don't ever not let people pay

1576
01:40:58,170 --> 01:40:59,340
you more more money.

1577
01:41:00,150 --> 01:41:03,570
always room for more money. And
don't negotiate against

1578
01:41:03,570 --> 01:41:07,320
yourself. We have to You're not
I think like that. But most app

1579
01:41:07,320 --> 01:41:11,670
developers like wow, my apps
really 99 cents I'm really

1580
01:41:11,670 --> 01:41:14,790
should only be one Satoshi no
man if you did good work and

1581
01:41:14,790 --> 01:41:16,620
just tell me here's what I need.

1582
01:41:17,070 --> 01:41:20,940
Yeah, it's there's a 5999 button
in there. I'm hitting it. Okay.

1583
01:41:21,660 --> 01:41:22,260
Okay.

1584
01:41:23,670 --> 01:41:24,810
And I mean inbox.

1585
01:41:26,310 --> 01:41:27,870
I'm not hitting that one. I'm
not hitting down.

1586
01:41:29,250 --> 01:41:31,680
Franco, how far are you from
Firenze? It's about three hours

1587
01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:32,490
by car maybe?

1588
01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:34,020
Yeah, yeah. Three hours.

1589
01:41:34,050 --> 01:41:36,360
Yes. Next time I'm there. I'm
going to drive I've actually

1590
01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:41,160
driven through some amo Yeah, I
went from a center of France on

1591
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:46,770
GS entre pay to Yeah, I can't
remember if I drove to or from

1592
01:41:46,860 --> 01:41:49,920
that movie. No, you hit Monaco
first, then SATA. Amo, right.

1593
01:41:50,010 --> 01:41:53,820
Yes. And then, Jenna, why would
you want to immediately go fast

1594
01:41:53,820 --> 01:41:57,030
and go away from there? Yeah,
that's it. Wow. That's what I'm

1595
01:41:57,030 --> 01:41:59,700
telling you. Dave. You hit Genoa
and it's like, it's like a

1596
01:41:59,730 --> 01:42:04,110
highway that intersects in this
mountainous town. It just looks

1597
01:42:04,110 --> 01:42:07,650
dirty. And I mean, it just look
it's what happens there. Is that

1598
01:42:07,650 --> 01:42:10,320
a factory town? What's going on
in general? Oh, it was

1599
01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:15,960
a port town and factory town
right now. It is

1600
01:42:16,020 --> 01:42:18,510
shanty towns, shanty towns. Yes.

1601
01:42:18,540 --> 01:42:22,710
But the center of the town the
ancient port now is been

1602
01:42:22,740 --> 01:42:28,200
revalued and, and gets finally a
lot of tourism. Just just a

1603
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:32,190
little piece of the town. The
one that you the part that you

1604
01:42:32,190 --> 01:42:34,590
see from the highway is very,
very bad.

1605
01:42:35,730 --> 01:42:40,950
Very Yes, sir. Okay, well, I
would love to I would love to

1606
01:42:40,950 --> 01:42:44,880
hang out, man if we were allowed
back in this course. Let me

1607
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:47,970
know. Of course, of course, I
won't just drop by without

1608
01:42:47,970 --> 01:42:48,210
telling

1609
01:42:48,209 --> 01:42:50,219
you. Okay, no problem.

1610
01:42:51,870 --> 01:42:55,320
Is anything else we can do for
you Francona, any anything you

1611
01:42:55,320 --> 01:42:57,390
need any functionality,

1612
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:02,910
any doing what you're doing, if,
if we can make pod ping work for

1613
01:43:02,910 --> 01:43:07,860
apps with no server, it will be
incredible. Okay, because what

1614
01:43:07,860 --> 01:43:12,750
you're doing is an incredible
work and I'm really proud to to

1615
01:43:12,750 --> 01:43:14,670
make a little part of it.

1616
01:43:15,060 --> 01:43:17,640
Now you're doing a big part man
and thank you so much for for

1617
01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:20,580
all your your time and your
talent that you've put into this

1618
01:43:20,580 --> 01:43:24,390
is really beautiful. I'm gonna
see if I can upgrade my iPhone

1619
01:43:24,390 --> 01:43:27,090
six to the latest iOS. I
probably the reason why it's

1620
01:43:27,090 --> 01:43:30,540
crashing is because I don't have
any it's probably before all the

1621
01:43:30,540 --> 01:43:36,390
audio shit came in. Probably how
old my Oh, my iOS is. Dave, I

1622
01:43:36,390 --> 01:43:39,630
bet you you go on. Can you
disclose your location? And by

1623
01:43:39,630 --> 01:43:42,240
the way, does anyone have the
passwords while you're gone?

1624
01:43:42,930 --> 01:43:46,560
No, nobody has the password.
Okay, good. All right. It's my

1625
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:52,380
job security. Yeah, we're going
to Universal Studios in Orlando.

1626
01:43:52,500 --> 01:43:55,470
Oh, that's right. Oh, you've
been before, haven't you?

1627
01:43:55,710 --> 01:44:00,960
No, no, we never met. So what
happened was during we had were

1628
01:44:00,990 --> 01:44:07,440
had a plan to go. Like, two
months before the pandemic hit.

1629
01:44:07,530 --> 01:44:10,200
Yeah. And it totally screwed
there. So we had to cancel and

1630
01:44:10,200 --> 01:44:13,560
everything. So we're finally
we're finally taking the trip

1631
01:44:13,560 --> 01:44:16,680
that we're gonna take two years
ago. So yeah, we're gonna we'll

1632
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:17,490
be down there for a week.

1633
01:44:17,670 --> 01:44:20,010
What are you most excited about
doing while you're down there?

1634
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:23,310
I had no idea. I'm just excited.
I'm excited about not being at

1635
01:44:23,310 --> 01:44:24,150
work. Yeah.

1636
01:44:24,300 --> 01:44:27,360
All right. Good. We'll turn your
phone off, man. Yeah, totally.

1637
01:44:27,390 --> 01:44:30,270
And leave the password on post
it notes somewhere so we can

1638
01:44:30,270 --> 01:44:31,860
have someone go pick it up for
us.

1639
01:44:32,130 --> 01:44:36,870
Yeah, Eric, you'll fly in from
Washington and make a claim.

1640
01:44:36,900 --> 01:44:39,420
Make a claim I need in that
house. I need to get past right

1641
01:44:39,420 --> 01:44:42,240
now. Oh, yeah. You've seen Eric
to do it.

1642
01:44:42,690 --> 01:44:45,450
Oh, he will. without thinking
twice.

1643
01:44:46,590 --> 01:44:49,710
Excellent. Have a great weekend.
Dave. Have a great vacation.

1644
01:44:49,710 --> 01:44:52,440
Great trip. Franco. Thank you so
much. Thank you again for

1645
01:44:52,440 --> 01:44:54,510
everything and thank you for
staying up for the show. It's

1646
01:44:54,510 --> 01:44:57,720
been it's been a great, great
chat we've had today. Thank you.

1647
01:44:57,720 --> 01:45:00,840
It was a honor and it was very a
lot of fun. Thank you. All

1648
01:45:00,840 --> 01:45:03,180
right, everybody. That's it for
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1649
01:45:03,180 --> 01:45:07,920
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1650
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:09,870
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1651
01:45:25,710 --> 01:45:30,630
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