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podcasting 2.0 for November
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Remember remember the fifth of
November you got to look that

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one up yourself. Hello everybody
time once again for the official

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board meeting of podcasting 2.0
Everything happened in podcasts

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index.org We got the podcast
namespace and of course the

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gossip the intrigue everything
the ideas the futuristic

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thinking from podcasting index
dot social hello everybody I'm

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Adam curry in the heart of Hill
Country Texas and in Alabama

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transmitting his viral load
worldwide my friend on the other

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end ladies and gentlemen say
hello to Mr. Dave Jones

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I'm not dead

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Dave man I feel so bad

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I must I must not factory I mean
this is like my most of my long

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term goal to keep the rest of my
family from getting near my

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microphone is all part of the
plan.

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I don't even know if I want you
in my ear headphones quite

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honestly, it's like just spit
into you okay, though, man.

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You're not this is not a return
of the Rona. Is it?

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Enough to Kona COVID test both
negative and but based on the

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way I felt the last few days. I
mean, it was almost as bad if I

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had if you to throw in a little
favor in there with it. Oh, do

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it. It might have been COVID
level. She I don't know what

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this thing is like. They you
know RSV Yes.

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Yeah, a lot of kids have RSV
right now. Yes. Respiratory ease

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or something. Virus is

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chinchilla risk for chinchilla.
It's like six or whatever. Okay,

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I got to look it up RSV virus.
Yeah, it's the respiratory sing

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tick sing tick show virus. Okay.

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Go. I think Yeah. Usually
received by children who

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wouldn't wearing a mask in
school all day. Seriously,

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seriously, that's part of the
problem was from what I

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understand.

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The the Okay, since syncytial
virus. Yeah, yeah, so the

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doctor, the doctor said that
it's good. Like you said, it's

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going around hard right now and
with kids what she told me it

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was kids, it tends to just be
like a, if it doesn't get

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serious, it tends to be just
like a cold, right? But but with

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if with adult if it gets into
you pretty hard. You it gets

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into the head and the throat and

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then you become impotent, right?

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Oh, wait, I didn't see that on
the wiki page. Well, let me add

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it. That's the chinchilla
version. No, they Yeah, she said

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it gets all it can make and
rescue pretty hard if you get it

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as an adult. Yeah, I don't
understand really made me more

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ranty than usual because I'm
good. Well, finally, a little

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spark. My blood to Sudafed ratio
is about 5050 right now.

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Alright, know what I'm

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saying. That means crank up
those those values, sliders,

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crank, crank up your per minute
sets and get ready to boost as

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hard as you can, because Dave is
really going to need a boost.

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And let me start off our board
meeting by saying how much I

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despise being from the future.

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Oh, I thought you enjoyed being
from the future.

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Oh, it's so it's so tiring. I
only one week ago. Did I

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complain about the potential of
transcripts getting completely

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fucked up and everyone doing
their own thing? And then right

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away, there it is. There's
Amazon doing their thing. It's

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like they heard you and we're
like,

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Go

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release it. Release it. He's
ready for us.

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Yeah, this was like the week of
protest proprietary bull crap to

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the extreme.

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And what this tells me because I
was listening to I must have

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been James was he's the one that
did the research. And I

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appreciate it. Because you know,
this kind of started with per

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word timing of transcripts,
which works advantageously for a

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whole bunch of reasons,
particularly with overlooking at

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fountain how they do the the non
waveform editing. This, I think

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that kind of resolution give
developers more granularity in

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general how to how to display,
caption sub subtitles,

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transcripts, translations. I now
James put together a whole thing

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that shows me how to get the
word for word translation from

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Amazon. I'm sure if I really
focus on it, I could get it

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done. No problem. But I mean, I
really just want a provider that

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can just poop this out, you
know, I'll pay for it. If it's

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someone who wants to do this,
for value for value, I'll put

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you in the value block. I mean,
there's there's different ways

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I'm using otter right now and it
works fine. It does not do that

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word per word, but more
egregious Lee or not, not

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actually not egregiously the
opposite. What I'm seeing is

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everyone's trying to build their
fiefdom, Apple's building their

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fiefdom, Amazon's building their
fiefdom, Google to some degree.

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Well, they are actually because
they're, you know, I didn't

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Google just by some podcast or
something. So everyone's trying

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to build their little fiefdoms
thinking that well, it's really

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all about the content. And while
Yeah, it is, it also isn't,

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because you can't be people
already are having issues with

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streaming video platforms they
don't want. And this is just do

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your research. They just look at
Rogan, I mean, seriously, look

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at Rogan, how many people like
yeah, you know, okay, you can

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definitely pull me over and get
me to take some action to be

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able to continue listening or
watching. But it's, it's not

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really what podcasting is about,
people have this, you know, it's

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like, you've got a radio and
you've got as many push buttons

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as you want. And you can
customize this radio, and you

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want this shit just to come in
there. That's what the, the

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entire culture is. So they're
losing, they know they can't do

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it. They know they can't. They
can't beat us. So instead,

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they're just gonna build their
little fiefdoms, and we'll have

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some noise I predict for another
24 months, and then these

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players, Amazon, and Google
certainly will become

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insignificant to me, I think to
most What do you mean by

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insignificant, it's not
important their apps. So already

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people, people are starting to
discover the issues with these

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with the with the quote,
unquote, the big apps, let's

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just leave Spotify out of it.
Apple doesn't update for hours

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and hours and hours. Yesterday,
someone said, Hey, man, you

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haven't uploaded to Google
podcast. So I always take a

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little time and say, well,
that's not exactly how it works.

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What is happening is they're not
taking advantage of the pod ping

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system, which is No, I actually
wrote it differently of the

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something like the the instant
update pod ping system, which

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you know, updates podcast on
apps that participate within 40

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seconds get a better podcast,
app, new podcast, apps.com. So

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they cannot compete. Yeah, they
can't and their whole DNA

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doesn't allow them to compete
doesn't allow we, we didn't

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invent this fucking pod ping.
Can't be using that here.

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Well, you know, what I thought
was funny was that James had

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mentioned that Apple had looked
at pod paying and was was

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concerned about that it was
still under development, quote,

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unquote, which it's not anymore
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who, who do you know who he's
who said that from?

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No. He had mentioned that
yesterday on on podcast index

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does social? And, you know, the,
even though, you know, well, I

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mean, all software's continually
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now that we know that the apple
podcast app is is the gold

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standard, and it's all fixed.
And there's no bugs, we'll

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consider that no longer under
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Yeah, it's baked. It's finished.
It was done. Yeah. So you know,

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the the issue here though, is
that pod paying has been running

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for got a year. I don't have I
mean, how many months now?

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Not not a year, but a long
months and months and months?

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It's,

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it had one issue about two
months after we went it went

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live with it. That was
corrected. And it's been running

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for minimum eight months. With,
I never even look at it, it just

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runs it does its thing. It's,
it's a fully functional stable

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piece of software.

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Well, you know, that's because
Brian is up 24/7 making sure

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everything's working all the
time. He's always doing it.

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Yeah, that mean, that's so if
that's the excuse for not, oh,

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that's tapping into the, to the
to not tapping into the ability

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to interact with everybody in an
efficient way. Then we'll you

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know, how do you explain all of
their they're just all in both

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with both feet on everything
else? They do this broken? me

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it's like, well, you know, I
don't want to look at pod pain,

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because, you know, it still
says, you know, it's fairly new

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and it still says it's under
development. But we have all

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these other systems that are
proprietary that we run

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internally that are all also
completely broken. It's like

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yeah, I mean, I can guarantee
you that pod ping is much more

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stable than Apple's aggregator
is a promise you that that the

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whole thing that gets lost here
with all this stuff is interop.

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And that I want I want to go
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wait and wait, wait, how far
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To September of last year

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hmm. Okay, hold on a second.

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You got the wormhole. That's
what I was looking for. For the

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wormhole. Yeah,

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you'll just have to go without I
don't want to know the wormhole

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is gone. What happened to the
wormhole? Alright, I'm sorry,

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keep going. Well, I'll look for
the wormhole. Oh, wait, here it

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is I found it. Here we go.
That's a better one. Now let's

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go back in time, who's Dave
Jones?

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When did that, okay, we'll leave
that we the rules for standards

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makers behave wonder. It is the
Bible that we live by within

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podcasting 2.0 and the namespace
development and all the open

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standard development that we do
here at this project. And I want

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to know, note, the first few
lines here. Rule number one,

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interrupt is all that matters.
That's rule number one. And the

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explanation is we want interrupt
so that users are free to move.

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So our products compete on the
basis of performance features

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and price and not lock in. It
honors and respects the users of

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our products. Yeah, that's
that's

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the opposite of what everyone
is. What the big guys are doing

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is the opposite. They don't

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yeah, that was one of my biggest
pet peeves with with with

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Amazon's it. It's not just
Amazon, other people are doing

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their own proprietary
transcription as well. If the

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podcast feed, specifies the
transcript tag in it, then the

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creator of the podcast has spent
time and money to produce that

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thing in and to a level of
accuracy that they are

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comfortable with perhaps even
hand coding or running it

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through secondary scripts to fix
known issues in transcription

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engines,

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which is what I do I always
correct Jhansi Dvorak, which

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shows up as Gen C Devorah.

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Exactly. You have gone to the
trouble and the time and the

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expense to create a transcript
and put it in your feed to tell

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the whole world. This is the
textual representation of

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transcripts and subtitles that I
want my listeners to see. And

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Amazon and the other trend,
automatic transcription engines,

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apps have said, we don't care.
We don't care what you as the

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creator want. We're going to do
what we want. And that is not

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honoring or respecting the
creator in any way. It's only

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thinking out for you is only
thinking for yourself. And

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there's really no difference
between doing that. And sucking

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in the audio itself, the audio
file itself and just sticking a

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bunch of ads in there. Mm hmm.
Why not? I mean, there's, this

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is content, you're linking to a
transcript file, an external

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transcript file, and you're
linking to an external audio

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file. The transcript is what the
Creator produced. The audio file

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is also what the Creator
produced. If you molest either

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one of those, you're an evil
person. You are a person that

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does not die alright. An entity
a corporate entity that does not

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care about creators at all. only
care about building your own

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kingdom

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shocking shocking

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evil and stone lunacy.

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Yes, Shocking. Shocking.
Shocking. I tell you, evil

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Amazon employee Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, it's evil.

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That's okay. I'll tell you that
the other thing that bothered me

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that stopped me when he when you
need

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no keep going you're on your
you're there there's the

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bloodstream go.

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I've got I've got another four
hours of Sudafed less I'm gonna

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get to so um, the other thing
that bothered me was was it for

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a different reason was a cast,
deciding to auto submit to pod

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chaser. Now, I liked I liked the
guys from pod chaser got a good

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relationship with and they
worked. They worked with us to

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develop the person tag and the
open taxonomy group. This is not

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about them. But their, their
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not. It's not open. They're a VC
funded company. And which is

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fine. I mean, that's fine. But
what I don't understand is a

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agreement is on the back end.
True. So there could be

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something there. That could be a
financial relationship. A equity

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financial relationship, it could
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venture capitalists or other
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reasons. And, and it's just, it
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just slows us down a little bit.
No one gives a shit. The people,

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the people have found their
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In that you're right. That's the
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is because our job is to get,
you know, our job is to take in

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all the feed data that we can
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and then give it back to
everybody in for free, is what

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we do our systems, ingest
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and then stat, normalize it and
then give it back for free. You

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can go and down those 4.3
million feeds in our database,

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you can go and you can download
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database format for free off our
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week. That that is

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that is that is also unbeatable
Dave, It's unbeatable. As long

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as we keep doing things like
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to having a closed system,
because you can get everything

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you want on the outside. And
that's that's our power. That is

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our power is the openness, the
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long journey. And this one will
be much shorter than than most

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things just because of the tools
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accelerated accelerated pace,
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living compared to 1718 years
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always does. I mean, it just it
always does. And we got long

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breath. Well, as long as you
give me the passwords, we got

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long breath because you know
what's gonna happen? Yeah. And,

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and even better. Our partners,
let's just use venture capital

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speak, are our partners love
what we do. And we love our

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partners, they love us so much
they fund it. They fund it. They

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found it through boosts they
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through PayPal, and time and
talent and treasure. It's

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unbeatable, It's unbeatable. I
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I had no problem with people
making money. That's not that's

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really not the issue. And, you
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want everyone to make money. Of
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not not an issue. My my real
mount real gripe here is just

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that. We, there's all these,
there's these connections going

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on. You know, the latest example
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There's all these connections
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systems, which are a take again,
pod thing, one of the one of the

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one of the beautiful side
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when you send a ping into the
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Yeah, like when when other
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blockchain, they see a feed URL,
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URL. They don't have. They can
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takes the going back to this is
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yeah, publish it to pod pink.
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same time, and it takes 30
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I brought up. Rule number one.
interop is all that matters.

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interoperability, everybody wins
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think about everybody winning,
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What's the the disappointing
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excitement of people, whenever
some big company does anything

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with the name podcasting
attached to it. You guys are

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like fucking Lucy with the
football stop. But it just,

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they're just gonna pull it away
from you. They'll close it down,

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they'll do something out. It's
not worth it. And then they

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crave the attention of one class
of people. And it's not users.

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They want the developers they
want the developers to use their

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stuff. They want the developers
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their APKs. And their SDK,
whatever Piquet's ptks That's

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what they want. That's what they
want. They want the developers

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to come in. And I only have to
remind everybody of Twitter.

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Holy shit. developers around the
world built Twitter. They built

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Twitter, they built the
experiences, they built the

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excitement, they created the
lingo. They created the

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hashtags. All of this stuff was
built by mainly developers or

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developer allies. Developer
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and they kicked him to the curb
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kicked him out. No, no no you
don't know what the experience

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is. So stop with this Lucy in
the football shit it's an if you

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don't know that is go look at
peanuts the cartoon, Charlie

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Brown. Yep, that's it. Yes. It's
so It's so dumb. It's, it's

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well, at least this gave us what
15 minutes of talk here. That's

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great. That's more than he
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I figure it.

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Well, the other part of this is,
you know, this. The other thing

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I want to bring out of the rules
for standard makers is software

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matters more than formats. And
that has that has to do with one

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of the reasons why I've sort of
refocused over the last few

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weeks into building software,
and nuts have a mis is focused

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on the namespace, and the
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to that soon. But you need
software, you need software to

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make the standards and the specs
make sense. And so there's holes

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here. I mean, pod paying was a
great is a great standard, that

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it's useless as a standard
without software to, to make it

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useful. Yes.

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And, and tag proposals are
great. But if you don't have an

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implementation, you're just a
proposal sitting there forever.

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That's right. That's right. And
that's what's beautiful about,

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about what is going, you know,
as always going on 24 hours a

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day on podcast, index dot social
is that people are building

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software, and ensuring not only
that they meet a spec, but that

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they are creating in specs as
they go along. You know, they

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see things that are needed. And
then these developers, they

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create a spec based on the thing
that they're doing. And then we

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all benefit. Again, we all
benefit. Yeah, so the way it

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And again, my gratitude towards
Stephen B for the curio caster

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RSS Jenny, which so here's a
perfect example. You know, he

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built that so that everybody
could benefit from a consistent

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feed the podcast in 2.0 feed
that has as many tags in there

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as we can muster. Totally, by
the way, we don't have the

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there's a couple missing. But
still, it's already so far. We

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even have the social tagging
there, which no one seems to

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understand how it works. But
it's in there. And getting

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there. And we're gonna keep that
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is the beauty of it. You know,
everybody puts in a little

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piece. Now I know that Ryan, I
believe, key was thing he showed

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up on podcast index social with
an idea of well, maybe I could

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do a transcript service, would
there be any? Would any be

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anybody be interested in that?
I'm like, Yeah, of course, I'm

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paying some company, I'll pay
anybody. And if you want to do

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it in a value block or some
other value based transfer, we

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can do that. You know, if you
need a minimum, and you know,

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and so I That's fantastic. We
get guys showing up who want to

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do services like that. That's
very exciting.

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there's your there's your

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software. And it's crazy
creating this, this creating the

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standard, rather than the other
way around? Yes. Because you

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have, you know, you have people
that don't, we don't fully

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understand or did not fully
understand at the beginning how

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the cross app comments was going
to play out. But as people have

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begun to develop software, or
try, they're trying to develop

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software against it against
against this spec that we think

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will work. But you don't know
100%, if it'll work until you

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get the software written, that's
going to utilize it, then you

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find out where your holes are
and where your problems are

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going to be. And not

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just that it's it's also how the
the podcasters, or the youth

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listeners or let's just call
them the users how they will use

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it, you can be very surprised.
Yes, it always doesn't always

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get used away intended. In fact,
most times, it probably doesn't

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get used the way it was
intended. Not entirely.

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Yeah, so we're going to find out
over the next, you know, two to

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three months, probably what the
best way is what what the final

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spec for comments, social tag is
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we're going to find that out by
actually by software, running

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and doing things. And that's,
and then when we're finished,

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we'll we'll have a spec that's
proven to work, we'll know it

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works. And then we can put that
in the namespace. And then

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everybody immediately on day one
can begin to code against it and

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know for a fact that it's going
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Yes. And the minute we do that
both the Google and Amazon

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player will have their own
little comment widget they're

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going to put in their app and
then we'll look at this cool

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stuff we got you can now comment
on podcast. Yeah, yeah, that's

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exist. So we might as well just
say it now because you know

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what's gonna happen? Yeah, and

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that like yeah, like your like
your take. Screw those guys. We

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don't need that. They're going

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to they're not going to win.
That's not the behavior. Look, I

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am not good. A lot of things, I
do know how to pick the hits.

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And whether it's music, news
stories, technology apps, I'm

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usually put, I might get it
wrong, of course, but I'm

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usually I'm usually pretty spot
on, I can feel it. And that's

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based on my feel of an audience
what the audience wants. And I

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feel the podcast listening
audience. You know, I, I've been

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around for a while taking the
hits. And apps are super

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personal man, super, super,
super personal. And it doesn't,

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it doesn't necessarily come down
to things we're developing, we

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lose people using the new
podcast apps over things like

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silence, skipping, Audio Boost,
at perception, like this app

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just sounds shittier than the
other one, which I think is

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totally not true. But if you're
used to overcast or some other

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apps that have built in sound
processing, which, sadly, is

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necessary, because not everyone
delivers consistent levels and

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loudness and etc. You know,
that's, that's often where we're

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losing it on. So and that's
very, very personal stuff. And

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for a lot of people, it's a
combination, you have to have a

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bunch of different things.

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Yeah, I can tell you when
comments come in, when cross app

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comments begin to, to percolate
through through podcasting.

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That's going to be such I don't
really know what the words to

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describe it are, but it's gonna
be a huge deal. I think so to

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people, you know, people don't
may not understand younger

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people may not understand now
that they live in a world in a

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web world where comments have
been disabled on most websites.

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But back in the day, every
website had comments. And these

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these tribes and these groups
develop, formed around the

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comment sections of certain
sides. And like you could go to

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scripting.com Read Dave whiners
blog, and he would always have a

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comment thread attached to the
bottom of it. And you had the

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same people commenting and
developing rivalries and

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camaraderie around his content.
And you're gonna see the same

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thing. The same thing happened
with news sites like our local

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news, website@aol.com. They had
comments forever. And you had

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this, you had a tribal type
situation there where people

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were the same people showing up
and making comments on the news

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stories. And sometimes you got
really good information from

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those news stories, some a news
story would be posted. And then

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somebody would pop in onto a
comment, say, you know, hey, I

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work for this company. And
that's not true. This here's the

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details of what really went
wrong. Yes, you're gonna see the

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same thing. It pop up around
podcast comments, you're gonna

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see tribal, you know, sort of
camaraderie come together around

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certain podcasts in the comment
section. It's gonna be a big

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deal. I really is.

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I completely agree. I'm super
stoked. I'm stoked, bro. totally

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stoked about I think, what

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are good, God, please. I was
just gonna say, I wonder, what

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are what are what our guests
might think about?

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Well, I was actually going to
lead into them and in about 37

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seconds. Okay. Do you say just a
question, but point of personal

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privilege for the board meeting?
Do to leave that we thank you.

440
00:28:36,030 --> 00:28:39,030
Do you believe that we will have
because I've, you know,

441
00:28:39,030 --> 00:28:42,420
obviously, you've been testing
out the live stuff, the live.

442
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,450
That would be like kind of live
chat slash booster. Gram. Do you

443
00:28:45,450 --> 00:28:47,400
think we'll have that in the
next few weeks?

444
00:28:49,140 --> 00:28:51,750
I think so. If I can get so

445
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,950
let me run down because I think
they're all related. You're

446
00:28:55,950 --> 00:29:01,320
working on. In essence booster
grams, I think kind of as a as a

447
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,500
rolling theme. Part of it is
live chat where the booster gram

448
00:29:04,500 --> 00:29:07,410
show up. Part of it is an Umbral
app, which I'm very excited

449
00:29:07,410 --> 00:29:11,790
about. And maybe something else
that I'm not aware of. But it

450
00:29:11,790 --> 00:29:14,490
all kind of revolves, I think
around booster grams.

451
00:29:16,050 --> 00:29:22,230
Yes. So what I'm working on
currently is the there's there's

452
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:25,950
a couple projects. One of them
the MK Ultra project is the one

453
00:29:25,950 --> 00:29:32,220
that is for live. And that's the
an app that you could run an app

454
00:29:32,220 --> 00:29:36,210
you can run that will bring in
comments that will let you do

455
00:29:36,210 --> 00:29:41,310
live chat with a feed with a
live feed, audio feed and

456
00:29:41,310 --> 00:29:46,080
booster grams all in one page in
a one in a single page app that

457
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,650
you can just fire up and
attached to your live item in

458
00:29:49,650 --> 00:29:54,030
your feed or, you know, tweeted
out or whatever. And it's a it's

459
00:29:54,030 --> 00:29:57,990
an ephemeral chat room where
people can live this Super Chat

460
00:29:58,140 --> 00:30:05,100
is what it is This could also be
an Umbral app very easily. The

461
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,160
The other thing that just
started working on a few days

462
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:13,620
ago, which I'm kind of focused
on, mostly right at the moment,

463
00:30:14,100 --> 00:30:17,670
is the booster gram app, the
bisque gram Umbral app. And

464
00:30:17,670 --> 00:30:22,920
it'll be usable as a non Umbral
app as well. But it is going to

465
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:28,380
share a lot of the code with MK
Ultra. And it would so I'm just

466
00:30:28,380 --> 00:30:31,050
pulled over the front end and
some other things and I found a

467
00:30:31,050 --> 00:30:37,770
really good rust lightning lnd
interface library. It's not,

468
00:30:38,190 --> 00:30:41,340
it's not fleshed out, it doesn't
have all the G RPC calls in it.

469
00:30:41,790 --> 00:30:45,990
But um, I've communicated with
those guys and I'm, I'm going to

470
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:49,380
put those calls in that we need
in this submit back to their to

471
00:30:49,380 --> 00:30:50,070
their project. I've

472
00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:53,580
been afraid to ask this
question, but I need to, could

473
00:30:53,580 --> 00:30:58,320
you tell me in a paragraph The
advantages of rust, which I know

474
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,590
has been a big topic of
discussion you're learning? It

475
00:31:01,620 --> 00:31:04,440
seems like you're really
interested in using it? What is

476
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,680
it exactly that it has that
makes people all jacked about

477
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:07,830
it?

478
00:31:08,940 --> 00:31:11,910
It's what pod thing is built
front end for piping is built

479
00:31:11,910 --> 00:31:19,290
on. It in it is the main benefit
to rust as a compiled language

480
00:31:19,770 --> 00:31:20,340
is that

481
00:31:20,340 --> 00:31:23,010
you get speed. Oh, it's not
interpreted. It's not a

482
00:31:23,010 --> 00:31:23,880
scripting language.

483
00:31:23,910 --> 00:31:26,910
It's not a scripting language,
you get a full binary. So you

484
00:31:26,910 --> 00:31:29,340
get you get a compiler, you get
to speed up, hey,

485
00:31:29,940 --> 00:31:31,620
I identify as full binary.

486
00:31:33,390 --> 00:31:38,640
Well, you'll be you'll feel at
home. Yes, yeah. Yeah. And, but

487
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:45,420
specifically, the rust benefits
are our memory safety. So when

488
00:31:45,420 --> 00:31:52,080
you things like buffer overflows
are not possible within the

489
00:31:52,110 --> 00:31:56,430
within rust generated binaries,
because the compiler itself

490
00:31:56,460 --> 00:32:04,410
enforces type safety and memory
and memory protection. So you

491
00:32:04,410 --> 00:32:08,070
can't declare a variable, pass
that variable by reference to

492
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:11,850
another function and then have
that function, release that

493
00:32:11,850 --> 00:32:15,540
memory without knowing it, and
then come back from that call

494
00:32:15,540 --> 00:32:21,420
and, and use it again. So those
types of of memory protection

495
00:32:21,420 --> 00:32:27,210
issues are all flagged and and
rejected at compile time. So you

496
00:32:27,210 --> 00:32:28,710
get tons of errors.

497
00:32:29,220 --> 00:32:32,430
Oh, you're right. So you deal
with all the crap up front. I

498
00:32:32,430 --> 00:32:35,190
got it up front and who created
this language? Where's What's

499
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:35,760
the origin

500
00:32:35,790 --> 00:32:41,280
Mozilla Mozilla? Yeah, see if it
ever the the idea with rust is

501
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,490
if it if it actually compiles,
you're good. You're You're fine.

502
00:32:44,490 --> 00:32:44,700
Like

503
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:48,810
the way it used to be it
compiles is good. Yeah, yeah.

504
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:49,110
Yeah.

505
00:32:49,230 --> 00:32:51,660
And that did not work out so
well. In reality.

506
00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:56,400
Yeah, no question about code
names and acronyms just so I can

507
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,640
get it all straight up. MK
Ultra, I think is a cool name.

508
00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:02,340
And I don't know who came up
with it. Because of course, we

509
00:33:02,340 --> 00:33:06,270
know what MK Ultra really is.
But I like I like how it

510
00:33:06,270 --> 00:33:09,240
pertains to actually mind
controlling people into sending

511
00:33:09,270 --> 00:33:12,540
other people money. That's
pretty cool. Yeah. Then we have

512
00:33:12,540 --> 00:33:17,040
what I mean, I just got used to
POC meaning people of color. Now

513
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,430
it's proof of concept. And then,
you know, I'm not a basketball

514
00:33:20,430 --> 00:33:23,220
guy. But then I see the most
valuable player everywhere. And

515
00:33:23,220 --> 00:33:26,460
I had to think about it and look
it up. So Oh, minimum viable

516
00:33:26,460 --> 00:33:30,780
product. Oh, okay. Yes, yes.
Yes. Got it. I like what James

517
00:33:30,780 --> 00:33:33,780
put together as a minimal
viable, minimum viable product.

518
00:33:35,550 --> 00:33:38,670
Is that all possible, including
the quote, fancy charts and

519
00:33:38,670 --> 00:33:39,240
graphs?

520
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,860
Yeah, that's totally possible
that the initial initial app

521
00:33:43,860 --> 00:33:48,960
will just be it's just going to
be a page, a web page with Mr.

522
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,700
Graham's listed as they come in.
They'll show up in on that page.

523
00:33:53,700 --> 00:33:56,880
It's, it's gonna be like, do you
have your umbrella? Yeah, no,

524
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,130
no, no, cuz I couldn't get it to
run. I couldn't get it to

525
00:33:59,130 --> 00:34:02,250
install and I just ordered the
box, but it's not it'll take

526
00:34:02,250 --> 00:34:02,820
another month.

527
00:34:03,450 --> 00:34:07,260
Okay. Yes, you launch apps from
the Umbral, I've

528
00:34:07,260 --> 00:34:09,810
seen it, obviously, I've seen
the interface and everything.

529
00:34:09,810 --> 00:34:11,250
Yeah, yes. Like you launched

530
00:34:11,250 --> 00:34:13,740
thunder hub, or whatever. And
all it's doing is just

531
00:34:13,740 --> 00:34:18,510
connecting to a web web server
in a Docker image on a certain

532
00:34:18,510 --> 00:34:23,040
port. And so it's connected back
to localhost on that port. So

533
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,230
this will be the same way you'll
just you'll click on the

534
00:34:25,260 --> 00:34:28,470
histogram app in unboiled
dashboard, it'll launch a new

535
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:29,520
tab in your browser.

536
00:34:29,549 --> 00:34:32,669
Funny enough is pretty much what
Dave Winer pioneered with radio

537
00:34:32,669 --> 00:34:36,119
userland when you think about
it, oh, yeah, that was that was

538
00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:38,669
the vision was fractional
horsepower. And by the way, I

539
00:34:38,669 --> 00:34:41,219
still love that vision, where
everybody would have their own

540
00:34:41,219 --> 00:34:44,249
little server on their computer
or their desktop or maybe

541
00:34:44,249 --> 00:34:49,259
running at home on a dedicated
box. And this would be you know,

542
00:34:49,289 --> 00:34:51,809
would be fractional. So you
could have little bits of pieces

543
00:34:51,809 --> 00:34:54,239
because you're not going to get
slashed dotted if we can still

544
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,949
use that term. And, and you had
a quick way to create interfaces

545
00:34:58,949 --> 00:35:02,219
that made sense and you could
even adjust yourself as a home

546
00:35:02,219 --> 00:35:02,699
user.

547
00:35:04,110 --> 00:35:07,080
No, it's a great it's great
system. Yeah. And it'll, it'll

548
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:12,000
be very the, the way it's
structured as a as a back end

549
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:16,800
with, it's doing the polling to
be reached to retrieve the

550
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,300
booster grams from lnd, sort of
all the time into a SQLite

551
00:35:21,300 --> 00:35:26,220
database. And then there's a
front end piece. And what I'm

552
00:35:26,220 --> 00:35:28,260
working on right now is trying
to get a get the threading

553
00:35:28,260 --> 00:35:31,500
correctly because correct
because MK Ultra uses multiple

554
00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:38,160
processes, but on the on the
histogram app for it has to

555
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,700
really be it's cleaner, if it's
one process, because Docker

556
00:35:41,700 --> 00:35:45,720
images like to be a single
process scope. So what I'm

557
00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:49,110
trying to do is take that, take
the multiple processes and put

558
00:35:49,110 --> 00:35:52,710
them in multiple threads. So do
you have a thread running and

559
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:56,070
pulling the strands all the time
into a database. And then you

560
00:35:56,070 --> 00:35:59,670
have a web server front end,
which is the main thread, which

561
00:35:59,670 --> 00:36:03,420
is serving client requests from
the from the unroll user in the

562
00:36:03,420 --> 00:36:06,840
browser. And so that you're just
like put, just pay it whenever

563
00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:09,720
my refreshes the page, it's just
picking up the latest histograms

564
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:13,290
and giving them to you. So
that's, that's what I'm trying

565
00:36:13,290 --> 00:36:16,320
to sort of re engineer that
right now. But the back end,

566
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,650
it's pulling, it's all
definitely pulling. It's pulling

567
00:36:19,650 --> 00:36:21,630
booster grams, storing them in
the database. Now it's all

568
00:36:21,630 --> 00:36:24,240
friend and we're from here on
out and then and then the

569
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:27,540
process of doing the overlap the
creation.

570
00:36:29,369 --> 00:36:34,229
Well, with all this excitement,
often, we go too far, I think I

571
00:36:34,229 --> 00:36:39,119
saved Steven B. I think I saved
him. Because he was talking

572
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:43,169
about hey, you know what? Why
don't I just set up some hosting

573
00:36:43,439 --> 00:36:47,279
for people to get him started?
I'm like, stop, put the brakes

574
00:36:47,279 --> 00:36:49,859
on. This is not what you want.
Yeah, but it's just just

575
00:36:49,859 --> 00:36:55,829
connecting this to that. Aha,
aha, aha, no. This is Oh my god.

576
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:58,769
And and so this is how I
transition to our guests who can

577
00:36:58,769 --> 00:37:02,789
tell us why that may not be a
good idea. Only based upon

578
00:37:02,789 --> 00:37:05,549
experience of what it actually
takes to have people hosting

579
00:37:05,549 --> 00:37:10,109
files with you. We have two
gentlemen on from an outfit

580
00:37:10,109 --> 00:37:13,769
called cast ons. That's how I
pronounce it that may be wrong.

581
00:37:14,909 --> 00:37:19,679
This is a cast those I like cast
ons, but okay cast hosts. Now,

582
00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:22,349
we were introduced to the
company through the director of

583
00:37:22,349 --> 00:37:28,469
podcast success when half of our
demo here, actually a couple

584
00:37:28,469 --> 00:37:31,739
months ago, it was almost a year
ago, I think a long time ago,

585
00:37:31,949 --> 00:37:34,829
popped up with a whole video
about value for value in

586
00:37:34,829 --> 00:37:38,339
podcasting. 2.0. So we're very
proud to have here the founder

587
00:37:38,339 --> 00:37:42,599
and CEO of Castillo's, Craig
Hewitt, and director of podcast

588
00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:44,159
success, Matt madeiros,
gentlemen.

589
00:37:45,060 --> 00:37:46,740
Hey, guys. Hey,

590
00:37:46,860 --> 00:37:48,330
so I apologize. CASS dose.

591
00:37:49,380 --> 00:37:50,400
It is cast. All right,

592
00:37:50,430 --> 00:37:52,890
you got to tell us about the
name right off the bat where to

593
00:37:52,890 --> 00:37:53,130
come?

594
00:37:53,550 --> 00:37:54,540
This is a good name.

595
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,110
I like Castle West, because
that's how it felt to me. It's

596
00:37:58,110 --> 00:38:00,300
like, oh, this is an operation
an operating system for

597
00:38:00,300 --> 00:38:01,050
podcasting.

598
00:38:03,180 --> 00:38:06,930
How did the name come about?
Gosh, I wish we had like a like,

599
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,360
you know, whimsical moment where
it just came to me in the night.

600
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,870
But you really just like wanted
a memorable name that that

601
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:16,380
wasn't a compilation of a couple
of random nouns together,

602
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,640
including pod or cast, and just
came up with this. And yeah, I

603
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,460
think it fits. It fits pretty
good. And it's it's a bit

604
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:24,540
whimsical. Yeah.

605
00:38:24,540 --> 00:38:29,400
But and, and the domain name was
available. And it was that's

606
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,670
always like, the domain
available. We got to get it to

607
00:38:33,090 --> 00:38:36,480
tell us about the company. Yeah.
Craig. How long ago did you

608
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,000
started and why?

609
00:38:40,350 --> 00:38:45,870
Yeah, so the why is kind of
similar to to why y'all started

610
00:38:45,870 --> 00:38:48,810
this project, I think is we saw
kind of a gap in the market and

611
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:52,260
a place where folks needed
things that other providers

612
00:38:52,290 --> 00:38:55,380
weren't weren't delivering on
and thought that we could do a

613
00:38:55,380 --> 00:38:58,140
little bit better than than some
of the entrenched players.

614
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,720
What were what were the main
things you saw that were not

615
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:01,650
being done, right.

616
00:39:02,430 --> 00:39:05,640
Yeah, I mean, at the beginning,
it was a lot of frankly, kind of

617
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,900
design and user experience level
product things from some of the

618
00:39:09,930 --> 00:39:13,560
kind of more established players
that you know, they at the time

619
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,560
didn't seem to care so much
about what their product look

620
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,620
like and how its represented on
on customers podcasts, websites

621
00:39:19,620 --> 00:39:22,800
and things like that. And from
the from the very beginning,

622
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,810
that was a big part of what we
wanted to do better. Um, but But

623
00:39:27,810 --> 00:39:32,730
interestingly, we got the start
for the company by by acquiring

624
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,280
a WordPress plugin and so kind
of your your comments and

625
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,970
discussion about open source so
far really rang true to us. I

626
00:39:38,970 --> 00:39:42,420
mean, we we got our starts and
WordPress, obviously an open

627
00:39:42,420 --> 00:39:44,700
source project and still
maintain it and it's a huge part

628
00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:48,930
of, of what we do and kind of
from there the hosting arm of

629
00:39:48,930 --> 00:39:51,720
the business kind of grew out
but but it kind of got its start

630
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:55,500
by us acquiring the seriously
simple podcasting plugin, and

631
00:39:55,500 --> 00:39:57,960
building the hosting platform to
integrate with it. And for a

632
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,530
long time, you could only use
cast dos With WordPress, there

633
00:40:01,530 --> 00:40:04,530
wasn't a comes up with it as
like an independent standalone

634
00:40:04,530 --> 00:40:06,480
platform for about the first
eight or nine months, you

635
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,990
still have an API that makes
that basic connection possible

636
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:12,960
between external generator.

637
00:40:14,009 --> 00:40:18,629
Yep. Yeah. Yeah. So that's one
of the things that I've want to

638
00:40:18,629 --> 00:40:24,239
talk to Matt. Before we were
talking about how I feel like,

639
00:40:24,509 --> 00:40:28,799
one thing that happens with
Castillo's is you guys get short

640
00:40:28,799 --> 00:40:32,129
shrift when it comes to the
amount of podcasts that you

641
00:40:32,129 --> 00:40:36,449
actually host, you actually
host. I mean, 10s of 1000s of

642
00:40:36,449 --> 00:40:42,539
podcasts. But since they're all
primarily distributed, it's sort

643
00:40:42,539 --> 00:40:44,759
of a similar problem to
blueberry, but I think yours,

644
00:40:44,819 --> 00:40:48,959
yours is even more. So. Since
it's distributed across, you

645
00:40:48,959 --> 00:40:53,339
know, all those independent
WordPress sites. It makes it

646
00:40:53,339 --> 00:40:56,969
look like you're not a big host
when you actually are very, very

647
00:40:56,969 --> 00:40:57,449
large.

648
00:40:58,950 --> 00:41:01,740
Yeah, I agree. I agree. And I
don't know that today, we found

649
00:41:01,770 --> 00:41:04,950
a technical way to kind of
represent that these WordPress

650
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:09,180
based feeds are powered, you
know, by by series, and will

651
00:41:09,180 --> 00:41:12,600
podcasting or files or hosted by
cast us? I'm not at the level

652
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,800
that kind of James, uh, you
know, compiles the data at, you

653
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,230
know, if you look at the source
code in XML, it's in there, but

654
00:41:19,230 --> 00:41:20,970
but not at the kind of domain
level,

655
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,000
how much does that matter? Being
on a list like that? You know,

656
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,300
does it is that one of the
metrics that you use? No,

657
00:41:27,300 --> 00:41:30,660
comparatively, oh, these guys
have that we have this number, a

658
00:41:30,660 --> 00:41:35,070
number of podcasters. The, I'm
sure clients coming and going is

659
00:41:35,070 --> 00:41:37,350
an important metric. But how
much does it matter where you're

660
00:41:37,350 --> 00:41:39,540
on you are on perceived charts?

661
00:41:40,110 --> 00:41:42,840
It doesn't matter at all. It
means a lot to me.

662
00:41:44,430 --> 00:41:49,080
So So that's, that's my next
question, Matt. Thanks. So you

663
00:41:49,110 --> 00:41:52,830
Director of podcasts success is
what I guess we would call

664
00:41:52,830 --> 00:41:57,720
podcaster. relations. I like
your title a lot better. What is

665
00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:00,270
the reason people come to
costos? And stay there?

666
00:42:01,349 --> 00:42:04,439
Yeah, you know, so, you asked
about that. First, I have to say

667
00:42:04,439 --> 00:42:08,039
like listening, being here in
the show is so surreal, because

668
00:42:08,039 --> 00:42:11,789
usually, I'm consuming this
podcast at the end of my Friday.

669
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,419
And I have like moments to break
and be like, No, Adam, that's

670
00:42:15,419 --> 00:42:16,529
not gonna work that way.

671
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,930
Feel free, feel free, feel free.

672
00:42:20,670 --> 00:42:24,780
Yeah, like, Oh, my God, all
these neurons are firing. But

673
00:42:24,810 --> 00:42:28,320
you know, a lot of folks coming
to us, brand new podcasters like

674
00:42:28,350 --> 00:42:32,850
folks are struggling plugging in
a USB microphone. Right. And

675
00:42:32,850 --> 00:42:37,440
there's challenges like that.
And then we get into the throes

676
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,280
of editing content and
sustainability of a podcast.

677
00:42:41,340 --> 00:42:44,520
And, you know, I hope that folks
are sticking around with

678
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,000
Castro's because they love our
support, and we're helping them

679
00:42:48,030 --> 00:42:51,720
every single step of the way.
And then, of course, our feature

680
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:53,910
set, you know, leading into a
lot of the stuff we're doing

681
00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:58,260
podcast, two point podcasting.
2.0. You know, hopefully, folks

682
00:42:58,260 --> 00:43:01,680
starting to enjoy some of that
stuff as well. But WordPress,

683
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:08,220
huge background, in where we
come from, you know, the open

684
00:43:08,220 --> 00:43:13,080
source project of WordPress is
massive. We have so many you you

685
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,990
hosted WordPress podcast, right?
Yeah, I

686
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:17,730
host maybe two, two bucks.

687
00:43:17,790 --> 00:43:21,390
Two, yep. Yep. To podcast about
WordPress. I've been doing that

688
00:43:21,390 --> 00:43:24,300
for like nearly a decade. That's
actually how I found Craig is

689
00:43:24,300 --> 00:43:26,670
how I found the software. So
super passionate about that.

690
00:43:26,670 --> 00:43:30,630
But, you know, we, people who
run WordPress sites, I know

691
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:34,800
it's, it can be tricky. It can
be cumbersome to put it

692
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,550
politely. But folks just want to
own their content. And that's

693
00:43:38,580 --> 00:43:41,310
when we say you want to own your
podcast, you want to own your

694
00:43:41,310 --> 00:43:45,420
feed, we hang our hat or better
or worse on WordPress, because

695
00:43:45,420 --> 00:43:48,510
it's a massive publishing, open
source publishing platform.

696
00:43:48,930 --> 00:43:53,880
We haven't you know, we had a
lot of podcasts hosting company

697
00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:58,110
people on in the boardroom. And
so I'm, you know, I've learned a

698
00:43:58,110 --> 00:44:00,840
lot more about it. And this is
one of the things I was telling

699
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,960
Steve and I said, Yeah, man,
it's real simple to host mp3

700
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,810
files. But when someone has a
problem, or when they don't

701
00:44:06,810 --> 00:44:10,050
understand something, that's
when you're going to die. And so

702
00:44:11,940 --> 00:44:14,820
can you give me an indication Do
you spend Where do you spend the

703
00:44:14,820 --> 00:44:20,250
most of your time? Is it on an
newer users onboarding? Is it on

704
00:44:20,250 --> 00:44:23,550
the expert users? You know, who
are the people you never have to

705
00:44:23,550 --> 00:44:26,040
worry about? And how big is your
team?

706
00:44:29,130 --> 00:44:33,060
So that yeah, sorry, Matt. I'll
let you talk about kind of where

707
00:44:33,090 --> 00:44:36,030
where you and our support team
spend a lot of your time in

708
00:44:36,030 --> 00:44:39,300
terms of like the the profile of
customers, but there were 15

709
00:44:39,300 --> 00:44:42,810
full time people fully
distributed in four continents.

710
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:44,190
Wow. speaks so

711
00:44:44,910 --> 00:44:46,830
you have an HR department.

712
00:44:47,940 --> 00:44:49,410
No, yeah, you're talking to it.
Yeah.

713
00:44:49,860 --> 00:44:54,330
You have one. Yeah. Wow, okay.

714
00:44:54,330 --> 00:44:57,780
I mean, yeah, I spent a lot of
my time just with, you know,

715
00:44:57,780 --> 00:45:02,310
podcast education. Again.
Starting from from the beginning

716
00:45:02,430 --> 00:45:04,590
of literally how to plug in a
microphone, how to pick a

717
00:45:04,590 --> 00:45:08,730
microphone, that kind of thing?
We do, we do two weekly, open

718
00:45:08,730 --> 00:45:12,480
office calls where our customers
can just join and just ask us

719
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,910
anything, we spend an hour
talking to them about setting

720
00:45:14,910 --> 00:45:18,840
stuff up. And then as you know,
just cranking out as much

721
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,110
content as I can educational
training content through YouTube

722
00:45:22,110 --> 00:45:26,400
and through the the two podcasts
that we do. And this just trying

723
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,640
to keep everybody, you know,
leveled up. And you know, when

724
00:45:29,820 --> 00:45:31,470
you ask the question before,
like, does it matter that you're

725
00:45:31,470 --> 00:45:34,380
on those charts? I mean, for me,
it does, because it's just

726
00:45:34,380 --> 00:45:38,070
awareness, right, as so many
people just always recommending

727
00:45:38,070 --> 00:45:41,970
the big guys, because it's a
muscle memory thing to do. And,

728
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,030
you know, I come shouldering
through on Twitter, and I'm just

729
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:48,420
like, hey, sure. Don't forget
about us. We're here to

730
00:45:48,449 --> 00:45:50,099
here's the question. You don't
have to answer if you're not

731
00:45:50,099 --> 00:45:53,879
comfortable. But when if people
leave, too, they give you a

732
00:45:53,879 --> 00:45:57,449
reason. And what what are the
reasons? If they go to another

733
00:45:57,449 --> 00:45:58,409
host? I mean,

734
00:45:59,850 --> 00:46:03,180
yeah, I mean, most people leave
because they just can't keep up

735
00:46:03,180 --> 00:46:08,010
with podcasting. Yeah, yeah.
They just they just fall off.

736
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,420
pochade. Yeah. And it's funny,
like some of the episodes

737
00:46:12,450 --> 00:46:16,200
listening to you before in the
past is just getting the right

738
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,830
customer in and pushing them to
the value for value models,

739
00:46:19,860 --> 00:46:23,820
Satoshis, Umbral, servers, all
of this stuff. So many people

740
00:46:23,850 --> 00:46:28,650
are just like, Ah, how do I get
the mp3 uploaded first? Yeah, of

741
00:46:28,650 --> 00:46:31,590
course. Of course. Yeah. And
we're like really, like, try to

742
00:46:31,830 --> 00:46:33,450
make sure that they're
comfortable and getting it

743
00:46:33,450 --> 00:46:36,900
going. But I don't know, off the
top of my head, why people might

744
00:46:36,900 --> 00:46:41,790
switch to another host. If I
would have clicked my finger in

745
00:46:41,790 --> 00:46:45,930
the wind, it's the hot, you
know, the hotness of dynamic ad

746
00:46:45,930 --> 00:46:49,830
insertions? Yeah, like what
everyone's like clamoring over

747
00:46:49,830 --> 00:46:50,430
these? Yes.

748
00:46:50,430 --> 00:46:55,470
So that would be my my next
question. Do you offer

749
00:46:55,470 --> 00:46:57,750
advertising services to your
podcasters?

750
00:46:59,310 --> 00:47:03,030
We don't. And I don't know if I
want to go on the record saying

751
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:06,120
we never will. But it is
definitely not in the roadmap.

752
00:47:06,180 --> 00:47:11,160
Um, just because we feel what
one I just don't like it, right.

753
00:47:11,310 --> 00:47:13,320
I'm the CEO, I get to say I
don't like it. So we're not

754
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,350
going to do it. Whether that's
right or wrong. But but but

755
00:47:16,350 --> 00:47:23,730
also, we feel that our customers
and creators ability to control

756
00:47:23,730 --> 00:47:26,250
their content and how their
brand is represented to their

757
00:47:26,250 --> 00:47:29,670
audience is maybe the most
important thing we do. Right.

758
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,380
And to me, advertising
introduces a huge opportunity

759
00:47:34,380 --> 00:47:37,440
disprove that up for creators,
they don't manage who's

760
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,450
advertising on their show, and
what that represents to their

761
00:47:39,450 --> 00:47:42,210
listeners, the congruency
between that and their message

762
00:47:42,210 --> 00:47:44,340
and their brand, they're going
to lose trust of their

763
00:47:44,340 --> 00:47:49,770
listeners. And especially
dynamic ad insertion gives that

764
00:47:49,770 --> 00:47:56,250
risk. And and so we think that
there's a lot more power that we

765
00:47:56,250 --> 00:48:01,590
can give to creators by by
giving them a platform that they

766
00:48:01,590 --> 00:48:07,740
own and control to, to sell
content directly to to

767
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,070
subscribers, right? And so it
comes to people making money

768
00:48:11,070 --> 00:48:13,830
from their podcast, we're going,
Hey, private podcasting, right,

769
00:48:13,830 --> 00:48:16,680
not through Apple or Spotify,
but hey, you own it. It's on

770
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,530
your WordPress site, or through
one of our integrations, you own

771
00:48:19,530 --> 00:48:23,520
the feed. We don't take any any
cut out of this, right. It's

772
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,610
just something that you own
entirely. And a lot of times, we

773
00:48:26,610 --> 00:48:29,850
find that the folks that are the
most successful with this

774
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:33,330
already have something else
going on. Even they have a big

775
00:48:33,330 --> 00:48:35,280
membership site, they have a
course they have a big email

776
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,330
list. They want to reach that
audience through podcasting,

777
00:48:39,420 --> 00:48:42,840
right, in a unique and special
way. Not like conventional, you

778
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,740
know, open public podcasting.
And so that that's the reason

779
00:48:46,740 --> 00:48:49,560
that we're that we're not doing
ads, and I don't I mean, I can

780
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,010
look even through next year,
through 2022, we're not going to

781
00:48:53,010 --> 00:48:53,550
do it, then.

782
00:48:54,900 --> 00:48:57,210
Yeah, that that makes a lot of
sense. There's, you know, it's

783
00:48:57,210 --> 00:49:01,140
funny how you say that, you
know, ad insertion is the new

784
00:49:01,140 --> 00:49:04,530
hotness, and you're totally
right, but then it's funny how

785
00:49:04,530 --> 00:49:11,010
many, how many hosts are hosting
companies. successful ones have

786
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,380
just not embraced that at all.
And it doesn't seem to be

787
00:49:13,380 --> 00:49:16,680
hurting their business one bit.
And I've heard, you know, like,

788
00:49:16,830 --> 00:49:21,420
taught, like Todd Cochran has
said multiple times on on his

789
00:49:21,420 --> 00:49:26,280
podcast that they routinely see
podcasters leave their platform,

790
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:30,900
go to a platform that offers di
and then after a few months,

791
00:49:30,900 --> 00:49:33,480
they come back and they're like
me, no, I didn't make that much

792
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,930
money. It's really disruptive.
The my listeners hated it. And

793
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,190
I'm just coming back. I don't I
mean, I don't think the promise

794
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:48,570
of the AI outside of a specific
content demographic, I just, I

795
00:49:48,570 --> 00:49:51,570
don't see it being a big, big
power player within

796
00:49:51,630 --> 00:49:55,050
an industry and I'm, I'm
presuming that people, they're

797
00:49:55,050 --> 00:49:59,190
not going for the hot di they're
going for oh, I can make money

798
00:49:59,190 --> 00:50:01,650
over there. Because I don't
think they immediately they just

799
00:50:01,650 --> 00:50:04,050
think, oh, I can make money and
it's all automatic. I don't have

800
00:50:04,050 --> 00:50:08,220
to do anything. Yeah. Okay. So
that's this thing called shows

801
00:50:08,219 --> 00:50:11,009
up on your podcast and the
hell's Pringles advertising on

802
00:50:11,009 --> 00:50:11,699
my show for

803
00:50:11,730 --> 00:50:18,300
Yes. So what can we do to make
value for value? The hot thing

804
00:50:18,300 --> 00:50:20,400
that brings people to cast dos?

805
00:50:24,389 --> 00:50:28,949
You want to go first, Greg?
Yeah, go? Let's go first. Yeah.

806
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:30,300
Yeah, uh,

807
00:50:30,329 --> 00:50:36,239
you know, I think, first and
foremost, the, the apps. This is

808
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:37,529
my this is my own opinion.

809
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:39,960
You're entitled, your opinion,

810
00:50:40,290 --> 00:50:43,500
was the boardroom brothers
protected speech in here. This

811
00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:49,680
is, I say, space, the new
podcast apps calm. They're doing

812
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,970
fantastic. The apps do have to
get smoother, they got to get a

813
00:50:53,970 --> 00:50:57,330
little bit sexier, they get to
get a little bit easier to use.

814
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,810
And I think once we start
getting over that hump, you'll

815
00:51:00,810 --> 00:51:05,580
be able to transition. A lot
more people who are stuck on

816
00:51:05,580 --> 00:51:09,390
overcast or Pocket Casts, then
you'd have to fall apps, right?

817
00:51:09,570 --> 00:51:12,510
That's from that's from my
thing. So sure. I'm, like, we're

818
00:51:12,510 --> 00:51:15,780
all power users. So we all like
collect a couple of pints like I

819
00:51:15,780 --> 00:51:19,530
have, I don't know, three or
four new podcast apps on my

820
00:51:19,530 --> 00:51:22,860
phone. And I'm always dipping
into them to see like, what's

821
00:51:22,860 --> 00:51:26,460
happening, what's going on. But
I still default to Pocket Casts.

822
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,060
Sure, why not a habit, but to
just because like the usability

823
00:51:30,060 --> 00:51:32,640
of it. So if we can, I think one
apps can just improve their

824
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,230
usability and there, can you

825
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:36,120
can you define that usability?

826
00:51:37,290 --> 00:51:41,220
Um, I think a lot of the things
like the same issue you had with

827
00:51:41,220 --> 00:51:45,960
fountain? If I were to say that,
what's my favorite new podcast

828
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:51,270
app, it would be fountain. And
I've reached out to getting the

829
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:54,930
name of Oscar, Oscar. Oscar,
reached out to me on Twitter

830
00:51:54,930 --> 00:51:57,480
once one because I had an issue
signing up. But then two, I had

831
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,730
the same issue. I think that you
ran into Adam with the

832
00:51:59,730 --> 00:52:02,520
transcripts. I was trying to do
a booster gram. I'm like,

833
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,530
where's the where's the
transcript? And they said,

834
00:52:04,530 --> 00:52:06,570
loading loading. And I'm
waiting. And I'm like, why?

835
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,480
What's going on? And I just kept
asking, and I was asking, was

836
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,590
this thing crashing? Is it not
working? Things like that. And,

837
00:52:13,950 --> 00:52:18,090
you know, putting shows into
playlists and snappiness of an

838
00:52:18,090 --> 00:52:22,020
app, I think really going to
matter, to not get a new user

839
00:52:22,050 --> 00:52:25,470
frustrated, who's who's already
just coming online to

840
00:52:25,470 --> 00:52:29,190
podcasting. And they're like, I
just want something fast and

841
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:32,280
easy to use. And then I'll get
up, I'll become better at it

842
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:32,790
later on.

843
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:37,319
So I didn't hear you mention any
of the features. So none of the

844
00:52:37,319 --> 00:52:41,669
features entice people enough to
try out the app. There's not a

845
00:52:41,669 --> 00:52:44,489
moment where they think, Oh,
this is this is cool, because

846
00:52:44,489 --> 00:52:46,709
there's something better here
something different.

847
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:51,570
Oh, no, I mean, I Yeah. As in
terms of the apps, I think the

848
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:57,060
Yeah, booster gram
functionality. I use the let me

849
00:52:57,060 --> 00:53:01,110
just pull it up in front of me.
The one that only loads on the

850
00:53:01,110 --> 00:53:03,330
web right now, which Adam I
think you years

851
00:53:03,330 --> 00:53:05,880
caster, curio caster. Yeah, like
that's,

852
00:53:07,139 --> 00:53:11,759
you know, the chapters,
everything in those apps are all

853
00:53:11,759 --> 00:53:15,569
very attractive for me to use
and try out this stuff. But I

854
00:53:15,569 --> 00:53:18,959
think for the average user,
things have to just get a little

855
00:53:18,959 --> 00:53:19,619
bit more polished.

856
00:53:20,279 --> 00:53:22,619
Yeah, I think I hear what you're
saying. Because you don't what

857
00:53:22,619 --> 00:53:24,989
you don't want is just a whole
bunch of apps that feels sort of

858
00:53:24,989 --> 00:53:28,139
like beta software. You right?
You want them to have a certain

859
00:53:28,139 --> 00:53:28,889
level of polish.

860
00:53:29,219 --> 00:53:33,269
That's so interesting. I have I
don't feel like any of this

861
00:53:33,269 --> 00:53:36,539
stuff is beta doesn't feel like
that at all. To me. I mean, I'm

862
00:53:36,539 --> 00:53:39,449
almost I'm also not really an
app user, I use a browser on my

863
00:53:39,449 --> 00:53:45,239
phone. So I'm delighted with POD
friend and curio caster, and I

864
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,359
don't use the Twitter app, you
know, all that stuff. So

865
00:53:48,749 --> 00:53:49,529
probably before,

866
00:53:50,100 --> 00:53:53,940
as developing as developers, you
know, y'all probably know that,

867
00:53:55,110 --> 00:53:58,890
you know, you're resonate with
this is, it's not that it's beta

868
00:53:58,890 --> 00:54:01,620
software, it's that there's
always there's a certain

869
00:54:01,620 --> 00:54:04,470
maturity level that you have to
reach with any package with any

870
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:08,100
piece of software that you have
to have, you have to learn all

871
00:54:08,100 --> 00:54:13,200
the stuff that is wrong, it
breaks. And yeah, with a podcast

872
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,780
app is a complex piece of
software, just like a podcast

873
00:54:15,780 --> 00:54:19,140
hosting platform is. So for
those first, you know, few

874
00:54:19,140 --> 00:54:21,930
months, a year, two years,
however long that's gonna take

875
00:54:22,530 --> 00:54:26,070
it, you have to learn all the
things that maybe this other

876
00:54:26,100 --> 00:54:29,790
podcast app or platform already
learned, you know, five years

877
00:54:29,790 --> 00:54:32,550
ago, you got to go through that
same process. And it's not that

878
00:54:32,550 --> 00:54:35,520
it's necessarily shoddy
software. It just hasn't reached

879
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:40,710
the maturity level of, you know,
of polish that something that

880
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:45,060
has as an established, you know,
pedigree has. Yeah,

881
00:54:45,210 --> 00:54:47,700
I think something that y'all
mentioned earlier about, like,

882
00:54:47,970 --> 00:54:51,540
developers making Twitter the
platform it is and I think the

883
00:54:51,540 --> 00:54:55,950
same thing needs to happen and
like if the things that we're

884
00:54:55,950 --> 00:55:00,270
talking about are successful, it
will be because podcasters opt

885
00:55:00,270 --> 00:55:02,940
in support them and spread that
word to other people that

886
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,090
hallelujah that are in the
space. Because I mean, it is.

887
00:55:06,570 --> 00:55:13,260
Similarly just a very I don't
know referral base before

888
00:55:13,260 --> 00:55:15,690
referral based kind of
communication within the

889
00:55:15,690 --> 00:55:18,870
podcasting space, right. It's
like, you use an app because

890
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:21,360
someone else mentioned it, and
people choose Castillo's or

891
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,270
Lipson or whatever based on you
know, their friends experience.

892
00:55:24,330 --> 00:55:28,740
Yeah. And for things like value
for value. It's gonna be like a

893
00:55:29,130 --> 00:55:33,180
case study, but like a friend
that had success with it, and

894
00:55:33,180 --> 00:55:36,420
then they tell their podcasting,
buddy, and and it catches on and

895
00:55:36,420 --> 00:55:39,180
it just from a meta level, yeah,
so

896
00:55:39,179 --> 00:55:43,619
the beauty is, with value for
value streaming payments, we

897
00:55:43,619 --> 00:55:47,429
satisfy both people, we satisfy
the podcasters, who are looking

898
00:55:47,429 --> 00:55:50,759
for something sexy, maybe an
easy way to get some money in

899
00:55:50,759 --> 00:55:53,369
without having to think about
it, in this case, completely,

900
00:55:53,999 --> 00:55:59,159
non disruptive. And that also
the motivation there for someone

901
00:55:59,159 --> 00:56:03,419
to use a new podcast app or one
that at least has the value for

902
00:56:03,419 --> 00:56:09,659
value built in. So the common
denominator, there is value for

903
00:56:09,659 --> 00:56:14,879
value. Because people, people
will try any app that does it.

904
00:56:15,179 --> 00:56:17,909
And they'll wind up with one
that they'll just use. And they

905
00:56:17,909 --> 00:56:20,789
might only use it for that show,
which as I said at the beginning

906
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:24,809
of this episode is not what you
want. But at least that way we

907
00:56:24,809 --> 00:56:28,889
can start and I would also
encourage the app developers to

908
00:56:28,889 --> 00:56:33,119
make it really clear on your app
somewhere that you take

909
00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:37,709
feedback. You know, you'd be
surprised how often, you know.

910
00:56:38,849 --> 00:56:42,569
And I actually expect Martin to
understand exactly what I'm

911
00:56:42,569 --> 00:56:46,649
talking about. Because I get
notices from people regularly,

912
00:56:46,649 --> 00:56:50,309
like well, I notified the
developer that, you know, it's

913
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:53,609
like, wow, what a distance there
is between, you know, I talked

914
00:56:53,609 --> 00:56:56,639
to Martin Reuter. I know, I
posted something over here, and

915
00:56:56,639 --> 00:56:59,339
Martin talked back to me. And,
you know, it seems like we've

916
00:56:59,339 --> 00:57:02,279
all gotten into this, here's the
form you must fill out for some

917
00:57:02,279 --> 00:57:06,389
feedback for the developer. You
know, it's not it's as a user is

918
00:57:06,389 --> 00:57:09,479
like, fuck that don't feel like
doing that one star. That's our

919
00:57:09,479 --> 00:57:09,929
feedback.

920
00:57:11,940 --> 00:57:14,520
happens in the WordPress space.
Sure is that that's what happens

921
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,040
to our WordPress plug in all the
time. They they don't know how

922
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,800
to record an episode. And they
say, Well, your plugin sucks.

923
00:57:19,860 --> 00:57:20,670
One Stop.

924
00:57:21,660 --> 00:57:26,430
Right? Yep. What I would like to
see, I'm in this to kind of go

925
00:57:26,430 --> 00:57:29,460
down this road and see what
y'all think about this. This

926
00:57:29,460 --> 00:57:34,470
kind of ties in back into
attribution of, of a hosting

927
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:40,590
platform like cast owes me and
me and Matt in is it Alec? Is

928
00:57:40,590 --> 00:57:43,260
that Yeah, who we talked to as
well? Yeah. Okay. So me and Matt

929
00:57:43,260 --> 00:57:49,740
and Alec, you know, had a chat a
few weeks ago, and we were

930
00:57:49,740 --> 00:57:52,410
talking about, you know, one
thing I brought up is I wanted

931
00:57:52,410 --> 00:57:55,140
to get this attribution thing,
right. And I think Alec was

932
00:57:55,140 --> 00:57:59,130
going to work on trying to get
like a generator tag into the

933
00:57:59,130 --> 00:58:03,690
feeds that are produced by the,
by the WordPress plugin, and

934
00:58:03,690 --> 00:58:07,890
they all have, so that we could
key on that and give a more

935
00:58:07,890 --> 00:58:13,380
accurate number. In if that. So
one thing that ties back into

936
00:58:13,380 --> 00:58:18,930
that one thing that I think
would be really cool, is to have

937
00:58:19,530 --> 00:58:23,130
the podcast apps surface, who
the host is a little bit more

938
00:58:23,130 --> 00:58:26,760
who the hosting company is,
like, somewhere in the UI, or,

939
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:33,000
or somehow show, you know, well,
this, this feed, this podcast is

940
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:38,670
being hosted by casters, or
rss.com, or Buzzsprout, or

941
00:58:38,670 --> 00:58:43,260
whoever. Like, I think that
there's, I think there's room to

942
00:58:43,260 --> 00:58:48,120
put that type of thing into an
app. Because it for a couple

943
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:53,700
reasons. It it, it gives people
exposure to a little bit of the

944
00:58:53,700 --> 00:58:58,530
backend of how podcasting it
operates. This sort of, you

945
00:58:58,530 --> 00:59:06,270
know, Borg hive that podcasting
is, and it also lets people see

946
00:59:06,270 --> 00:59:10,110
if they want to start a podcast,
it gives them names that they

947
00:59:10,110 --> 00:59:14,730
can associate with, it's sort of
like a brand, brand awareness

948
00:59:14,850 --> 00:59:19,470
for all these different hosting
options that they have. And then

949
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:25,140
so in that's important, because
you have a lot of, you know, the

950
00:59:25,230 --> 00:59:28,200
the apps, the podcasting apps,
this is all we all depend on

951
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,050
each other. The podcast apps
depend on the hosts depend on

952
00:59:31,050 --> 00:59:34,410
the creators depend on the host.
It depends on the apps. I mean,

953
00:59:34,410 --> 00:59:38,790
we're all interdependent here.
And so the apps sort of will

954
00:59:38,790 --> 00:59:45,180
benefit from from promoting the
hosting companies. Is this crazy

955
00:59:45,180 --> 00:59:45,960
talk? I mean,

956
00:59:47,070 --> 00:59:51,960
no, I think especially if you
can align the support of like

957
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:56,220
the new namespace tags, from
podcast hosting companies in the

958
00:59:56,220 --> 01:00:00,300
mobile apps to say to listeners
a year you know this This show

959
01:00:00,300 --> 01:00:02,850
is hosted by caste as it
supports this tag this type of

960
01:00:02,850 --> 01:00:05,400
this tag. So it's a richer
experience. Right? I mean,

961
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,170
that's that's a lot of what
you're going for is like a

962
01:00:07,170 --> 01:00:11,220
richer listening experience and
interaction with the host, in a

963
01:00:11,220 --> 01:00:14,130
way through things like
transcripts. And I think that

964
01:00:14,130 --> 01:00:17,610
surfacing that would show the
listener Hey, you know, this

965
01:00:17,610 --> 01:00:21,390
show is hosted by a platform
that that supports a lot of this

966
01:00:21,390 --> 01:00:23,970
to give you the best kind of
podcasting experience possible.

967
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,910
That to me, that's the biggest
upside of that. Yeah,

968
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:31,920
I see that. So you just
mentioned transcripts? Are you

969
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,100
putting these into a namespace
tag the transcripts?

970
01:00:37,380 --> 01:00:40,890
Yeah, it's definitely coming.
It's a it's a bigger project

971
01:00:40,890 --> 01:00:44,430
than just that on our end, which
is why we didn't release it with

972
01:00:44,430 --> 01:00:47,490
the other namespaces that we
that we began supporting about a

973
01:00:47,490 --> 01:00:50,130
month ago. But it's definitely
on the radar. Yeah.

974
01:00:50,849 --> 01:00:54,209
So tell me about the
integrations. How does that

975
01:00:54,209 --> 01:00:57,359
work? And how do I get a value
for value streaming integration

976
01:00:57,359 --> 01:00:57,839
in here?

977
01:00:59,579 --> 01:01:03,149
I think that the last part is a
bigger is a bigger question. But

978
01:01:03,179 --> 01:01:07,859
our integration so far, kind of
fall into two categories. One is

979
01:01:07,889 --> 01:01:11,669
to repurpose audio content into
different formats. So if an

980
01:01:11,669 --> 01:01:14,969
automated transcription service
that transcript that transcribes

981
01:01:14,969 --> 01:01:17,609
audio into text, we have a
YouTube republishing, takes the

982
01:01:17,609 --> 01:01:21,959
audio reformats at his video and
publishes to YouTube. Got it. So

983
01:01:21,959 --> 01:01:24,599
that's kind of one category,
that we have an open API that

984
01:01:24,599 --> 01:01:26,279
anybody can use to build
whatever kind of tools they

985
01:01:26,279 --> 01:01:31,349
want. And the other one is ways
to connect casters and private

986
01:01:31,349 --> 01:01:34,709
podcasting to other tools you
use, like we launched an

987
01:01:34,709 --> 01:01:38,819
integration with ConvertKit.
Last week, where say you have a

988
01:01:38,819 --> 01:01:41,579
tag in your ConvertKit, you
know, mailing list that's

989
01:01:41,579 --> 01:01:44,759
applied. And that person gets
added in Castillo's as a prize

990
01:01:44,759 --> 01:01:49,829
subscriber, your private
podcast, two buckets of

991
01:01:49,829 --> 01:01:54,089
integrations and we're building
a lot more of the second one

992
01:01:54,149 --> 01:01:55,439
over the next few months.

993
01:01:57,060 --> 01:02:01,410
So I'm going to make it my
mission, I have a dog now you

994
01:02:01,410 --> 01:02:05,130
can hear, I'm going to make it
my mission to see if I can get

995
01:02:05,130 --> 01:02:10,200
Steven B to connect curio caster
to your API and get you some new

996
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:14,220
customers and and get a front to
back solution going because he's

997
01:02:14,220 --> 01:02:16,860
going to be outputting, all
kinds of stuff, including

998
01:02:16,860 --> 01:02:18,840
chapter JSON files, etc.

999
01:02:20,099 --> 01:02:21,119
Awesome. Yeah.

1000
01:02:21,179 --> 01:02:21,809
That'd be awesome.

1001
01:02:22,290 --> 01:02:24,930
Yes, you know, so that's
something that would work, then

1002
01:02:24,930 --> 01:02:29,580
you're looking at the backend
API that an app could look into

1003
01:02:29,580 --> 01:02:30,480
in order to publish.

1004
01:02:34,290 --> 01:02:38,220
Yes, you Yeah. To create new
content? Yeah. I don't know

1005
01:02:38,220 --> 01:02:42,540
about like adding new tags and
namespaces via the API like net

1006
01:02:42,540 --> 01:02:46,440
currently, that that doesn't
exist. But as we support

1007
01:02:46,590 --> 01:02:50,400
additional tags in the future,
those would all be kind of, you

1008
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:54,060
know, aspects of like posting or
updating, you know, episode.

1009
01:02:54,119 --> 01:02:55,979
Yeah. Okay.

1010
01:02:56,550 --> 01:02:58,830
That's not really talk here.
Sorry. You're talking to two

1011
01:02:58,830 --> 01:03:00,150
people that are not developers.
So

1012
01:03:01,980 --> 01:03:04,710
yes, you know, the interesting
thing about the interesting

1013
01:03:04,710 --> 01:03:10,680
thing about about posts like
this, where your your customer

1014
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:17,190
base is distributed. They're not
It's not centralized hosting, is

1015
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:21,420
where, where do you put into
mp3? Where do you put that in

1016
01:03:21,420 --> 01:03:25,260
these assets? Are those hosted
on the individual WordPress user

1017
01:03:25,260 --> 01:03:27,360
sites? Are they hosted with you
guys?

1018
01:03:30,750 --> 01:03:34,110
Yeah, they're hosted with us.
Yeah, no. So I think there's two

1019
01:03:34,110 --> 01:03:36,450
ways you could do it right. If
you use the WordPress plug in a

1020
01:03:36,450 --> 01:03:39,600
few seriously simple podcasting,
you can self host your files,

1021
01:03:39,930 --> 01:03:42,990
and then everything lies on your
WordPress site and that server,

1022
01:03:43,350 --> 01:03:46,710
or to offload that resource
utilization from your, your

1023
01:03:46,710 --> 01:03:49,350
WordPress, or if you're on
shared hosting or whatever. It's

1024
01:03:49,350 --> 01:03:51,630
just not going to work if you
have a successful podcast or you

1025
01:03:51,630 --> 01:03:54,450
publish a lot. And so you
connect the casters, and then

1026
01:03:54,450 --> 01:03:56,640
when you go to publish a new
episode from WordPress, the

1027
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:59,100
files are uploaded automatically
to cast it. And then they're

1028
01:03:59,100 --> 01:04:00,210
served from our infrastructure.
I

1029
01:04:00,210 --> 01:04:03,210
really liked this. And the RSS
feed is also uploaded from

1030
01:04:03,210 --> 01:04:07,620
WordPress to the storage. Okay.
And the API allows for other

1031
01:04:07,620 --> 01:04:10,800
files to be transferred or could
be adapted adopted, I guess.

1032
01:04:11,580 --> 01:04:14,130
Yeah, like images and things
like that are uploaded. So the

1033
01:04:14,130 --> 01:04:19,290
final question is, and this will
be more for Matt. So let's say,

1034
01:04:19,410 --> 01:04:22,710
you know, all of a sudden, we
have curio caster and a couple

1035
01:04:22,710 --> 01:04:26,130
other let's just start with your
cast. Because I know that that's

1036
01:04:26,130 --> 01:04:28,950
even thinking about it
connected, that's going to place

1037
01:04:28,950 --> 01:04:32,310
burden on you. Because people
are going to call and say, Look,

1038
01:04:32,310 --> 01:04:34,920
I got a cure for cancer, but
it's not working. How does that

1039
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,500
how does I'm just why I'm
looking at from all the angles.

1040
01:04:37,500 --> 01:04:39,690
I don't want to push on
something that's going to swamp

1041
01:04:39,690 --> 01:04:40,470
anybody, you know?

1042
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:45,210
Yeah, I mean, that's a realistic
thing, right? So these features,

1043
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:47,790
we'd love to fire off features
and integrations as fast as we

1044
01:04:47,790 --> 01:04:53,190
can. But we, what we do
internally is we document like

1045
01:04:53,190 --> 01:04:56,250
what our project might be, we
present it to the team, we write

1046
01:04:56,250 --> 01:04:59,130
a blog post that's not published
yet and we just get all of our

1047
01:04:59,130 --> 01:04:59,970
thoughts. Oh yeah.

1048
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,950
That won't work for me. No, I
can't be a fucking, we're just

1049
01:05:04,950 --> 01:05:06,210
gonna do it. Well, we'll show
up.

1050
01:05:07,679 --> 01:05:10,139
But we build all the training
material around it right,

1051
01:05:10,199 --> 01:05:13,949
hopefully before we launch so
that when that person knocks day

1052
01:05:13,949 --> 01:05:18,209
one, we have some resource, some
utilization that we can hand to

1053
01:05:18,209 --> 01:05:20,129
them and say, look, here's how
you do it. We've already

1054
01:05:20,129 --> 01:05:23,669
documented I got a video on it,
or join us on Tuesday or

1055
01:05:23,669 --> 01:05:26,069
Thursday, when we have our open
office hours and we'll walk

1056
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:29,490
right? Well, I'll tell you why
I'm excited about this type of

1057
01:05:29,550 --> 01:05:33,810
integration. I like integration
as a term in general. Because in

1058
01:05:33,810 --> 01:05:37,800
December, we're going to see
musicians coming with albums.

1059
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:41,730
And they're going to want to
also host and I hope that there

1060
01:05:41,730 --> 01:05:45,900
will be one or two app
developers who will create a

1061
01:05:45,900 --> 01:05:50,160
music version that kind of sits
on top of the entire

1062
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:53,220
infrastructure we've already
built. So you can you know, have

1063
01:05:53,220 --> 01:05:57,120
value for value for your music
in the same back end, you know,

1064
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,790
but then essentially have an app
that would say, Oh, here's your

1065
01:05:59,790 --> 01:06:06,420
music app. And it would upload
the mp3 and the RSS feed into

1066
01:06:06,420 --> 01:06:09,930
costos. For the user, they would
order for the podcast or for the

1067
01:06:09,990 --> 01:06:12,210
musician, they wouldn't even
really know they don't have to

1068
01:06:12,210 --> 01:06:15,210
understand that it's a podcast
infrastructure. I just see this

1069
01:06:15,210 --> 01:06:17,580
coming. So I'm trying to set us
up for it.

1070
01:06:18,210 --> 01:06:21,720
Yeah, yeah. No, that's, that's,
that's fantastic. I mean, right

1071
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:25,860
now, app development, the new
podcast, app developers should

1072
01:06:25,860 --> 01:06:30,420
be knocking on the doors of
hosts like this, like us. I

1073
01:06:30,420 --> 01:06:32,400
don't want I don't want to have
them go to my competition, but

1074
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,940
knock on our door for sure. But
like when I see my competition,

1075
01:06:35,940 --> 01:06:39,180
say things like, Oh, we're
supporting, you know, brand

1076
01:06:39,180 --> 01:06:42,600
scripts in the namespace now.
It's like, hey, that's great.

1077
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:46,680
But which apps? Are you telling
your customers to use? Because

1078
01:06:46,740 --> 01:06:50,190
what Yes, yes. You know, yes.
That's what drives me nuts. The

1079
01:06:50,190 --> 01:06:52,920
most is like you can grandstand
all day that, hey, you're

1080
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:56,370
supporting transcripts. But
where do you have a relationship

1081
01:06:56,460 --> 01:06:59,610
with a new podcast? app
developer? Very good, man. Thank

1082
01:06:59,610 --> 01:07:02,700
you. No, yes, yes, kinds of
things. And that's why it's slow

1083
01:07:02,700 --> 01:07:06,300
to roll out for us, because it's
just a lot of stuff. And you

1084
01:07:06,300 --> 01:07:08,850
know, we're not a massive team.
And I want to be able to

1085
01:07:08,850 --> 01:07:12,510
coordinate this so that when we
launch it, yeah, it's, it's a

1086
01:07:12,510 --> 01:07:13,650
little bit smoother for the
customer.

1087
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:18,120
But there seems to be just from,
you know, the hosting companies

1088
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:20,490
that I've talked to over the,
you know, over the months and

1089
01:07:20,490 --> 01:07:25,890
years is that there seems to be
a sort of two camps. And you

1090
01:07:25,890 --> 01:07:29,370
either fall into one or the
other depending based on what

1091
01:07:29,370 --> 01:07:33,150
how you look at features and
rollouts. You have sort of one

1092
01:07:33,150 --> 01:07:37,200
camp to says, We're not going to
do anything, unless we have our,

1093
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:42,660
our, our customers asked for it.
And you got this other camp that

1094
01:07:42,660 --> 01:07:50,280
says we are we see these things
as good ideas, to push, you

1095
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,610
know, to push our product
forward. We're going to go ahead

1096
01:07:53,610 --> 01:07:55,590
and do them, we're going to
implement them and roll them

1097
01:07:55,590 --> 01:07:58,620
out. And then we then we're
going to educate our customers

1098
01:07:58,620 --> 01:08:03,030
of what the benefit of this
thing we just gave them is. And

1099
01:08:03,390 --> 01:08:09,510
I see y'all in the second camp.
And I'm not saying necessarily

1100
01:08:09,510 --> 01:08:13,140
one is better than the other.
But I will say that the we're

1101
01:08:13,140 --> 01:08:14,970
not going to do anything, we're
not going to add any new

1102
01:08:14,970 --> 01:08:18,480
features until our customers ask
for it. That seems like a recipe

1103
01:08:18,480 --> 01:08:22,350
for just stagnating. Right.
Yeah.

1104
01:08:22,860 --> 01:08:28,710
And you know, this is podcasting
has always been a slow grower,

1105
01:08:28,770 --> 01:08:32,790
just it's slow. It just takes
time. And I know, we're all used

1106
01:08:32,790 --> 01:08:35,880
to instant gratification, and oh
my god, they're doing

1107
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,600
transcripts at Amazon. That
doesn't matter. You know, we

1108
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:43,740
just need to stay the course.
And I really appreciate this

1109
01:08:43,740 --> 01:08:48,750
conversation, because, and Matt,
thank you for saying it. You

1110
01:08:48,750 --> 01:08:51,780
know, there does need to be
constant improvement. And you do

1111
01:08:51,780 --> 01:08:55,020
need to be talking to your, to
your users who are using your

1112
01:08:55,020 --> 01:08:57,900
app, and you do need to just
keep iterating and Dave, you're

1113
01:08:57,900 --> 01:09:00,750
right, it just takes time before
something's polished. I mean,

1114
01:09:01,020 --> 01:09:04,620
Freedom controller working on it
for 35 years. I mean, it's still

1115
01:09:04,650 --> 01:09:10,560
not polished. And I just found
shortcuts you know, you didn't

1116
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:14,430
know existed before. So that and
that's that's just what it is,

1117
01:09:14,430 --> 01:09:18,390
you know, and it just takes time
to build and iterate and polish

1118
01:09:18,390 --> 01:09:22,050
and make better and, and more
communicating. I totally agree.

1119
01:09:22,050 --> 01:09:25,170
There's a lot of we should this
is Baba. But you know what?

1120
01:09:25,170 --> 01:09:28,260
Someone's got to reach out talk
to Matt say, hey, you know, I

1121
01:09:28,260 --> 01:09:31,020
have this app. This is here's
where I'm Matt, let's open a

1122
01:09:31,020 --> 01:09:33,720
channel of communication.
Everybody knows everybody. I

1123
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:36,510
think almost everybody has an
account on podcast index.

1124
01:09:37,259 --> 01:09:38,249
Yep. Dot social.

1125
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:38,580
Yeah.

1126
01:09:39,719 --> 01:09:42,059
Yeah, I mean, we're I mean, I
look at the podcast host is like

1127
01:09:42,059 --> 01:09:47,339
where we're at the gates like
podcasting is still growing

1128
01:09:47,459 --> 01:09:50,219
super fast as everyone on this
call and listening probably

1129
01:09:50,219 --> 01:09:53,549
knows. And sometimes we're like,
holding back the doors from the

1130
01:09:53,669 --> 01:09:57,479
masses of people trying to come
in. And we can't, we can't keep

1131
01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:00,449
up sometimes with the new
customers coming in. just

1132
01:10:00,449 --> 01:10:05,579
training onboard them. And, you
know, I put out that video about

1133
01:10:06,629 --> 01:10:10,769
setting up the Spinx chat app
and all this stuff. And I had

1134
01:10:10,769 --> 01:10:14,309
people emailing me like, so when
I signed up, I signed up,

1135
01:10:14,309 --> 01:10:20,579
where's my lightning node? Like,
it's not there yet. Like, you

1136
01:10:20,579 --> 01:10:23,099
know, so it's a challenge. So
yeah, well,

1137
01:10:23,370 --> 01:10:28,470
and what i All I want is for us
to get on your roadmap, you

1138
01:10:28,470 --> 01:10:33,000
know, and, and so the, all of
the and I, for me, personally,

1139
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:36,870
that means, how do we integrate
something value for value this

1140
01:10:36,870 --> 01:10:39,990
easy for your customers just to
take? And it's like, Okay, I've

1141
01:10:39,990 --> 01:10:43,560
got a wallet now I can receive.
That's pretty much it. And I

1142
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:47,340
think podcast index may be able
to deliver that whether ln pay

1143
01:10:47,370 --> 01:10:52,080
partnership. That's, that's what
Dave, I'm just speaking out

1144
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:52,500
loud.

1145
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:53,910
Yeah, I heard you.

1146
01:10:56,370 --> 01:11:00,930
You know, that seems like a
really easy one to Hey, Is it

1147
01:11:00,930 --> 01:11:03,840
done yet? That sounds like a
really easy one to tackle, you

1148
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:06,960
know, or, or a good way for us
to get on your roadmap so that

1149
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,300
we can add that in? Because
you're already doing all the

1150
01:11:09,300 --> 01:11:11,100
tags at your at your own pace?

1151
01:11:11,610 --> 01:11:14,880
Yeah, I think that, you know, to
Dave's point of kind of to two

1152
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:18,510
types of hosting providers, I
would also kind of put it into

1153
01:11:18,570 --> 01:11:22,830
their hosting providers that are
closed systems. And I'm not

1154
01:11:22,830 --> 01:11:26,910
talking about the the big S, but
but their hosting provider. But

1155
01:11:27,750 --> 01:11:31,050
but but I think our nature,
right, coming from WordPress,

1156
01:11:31,050 --> 01:11:34,950
and integrating, like, literally
right off the bat is just a big

1157
01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:39,240
part of what we're doing, and
how we see the value of a

1158
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:42,390
platform like ours, working in
conjunction with things that

1159
01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:45,300
y'all are doing and other tools
that podcasters using, you know,

1160
01:11:45,300 --> 01:11:47,880
we say like, we want to be the
center of the audio universe,

1161
01:11:47,910 --> 01:11:50,310
right of our customers auto
universe, because we know we

1162
01:11:50,310 --> 01:11:53,340
can't do everything right? So
like, why not? Say, Hey, we're

1163
01:11:53,340 --> 01:11:55,680
gonna integrate with the best in
class of this and the best in

1164
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:59,130
class of that to give our
customers and their listeners,

1165
01:11:59,130 --> 01:12:02,550
like, the best overall
experience and the choices to

1166
01:12:02,580 --> 01:12:04,500
say, hey, I want to use this,
and I won't use this. I don't

1167
01:12:04,500 --> 01:12:08,970
want to use that. So yeah, I
mean, definitely, on the radar.

1168
01:12:09,150 --> 01:12:12,900
And, and just in general, like
we're, we're big fans of

1169
01:12:12,900 --> 01:12:15,630
integrating our way to
delivering everything that our

1170
01:12:15,630 --> 01:12:18,870
customers need. Because I don't,
I don't think anybody can build

1171
01:12:18,870 --> 01:12:20,010
best in class of everything.

1172
01:12:20,579 --> 01:12:23,729
I feel like there's this
pressure that has happened with,

1173
01:12:24,119 --> 01:12:28,409
you know, the players like
Spotify and, and an Apple and

1174
01:12:28,409 --> 01:12:32,939
Amazon coming in. I mean, I feel
like there's been this weird

1175
01:12:32,939 --> 01:12:36,629
pressure where it's like it
other other players in the

1176
01:12:36,629 --> 01:12:40,889
industry feel like they have to
go proprietary in order to

1177
01:12:41,519 --> 01:12:44,549
compete. Yeah, where they're
gonna get passed, passed by.

1178
01:12:44,669 --> 01:12:48,239
And, you know, our, our ethos
from the beginning is, is that's

1179
01:12:48,239 --> 01:12:50,729
the complete opposite of what
you should do. You don't you

1180
01:12:50,729 --> 01:12:54,149
don't get more proprietary, you
get more open. Because open. I

1181
01:12:54,149 --> 01:12:59,879
mean, just just like, you know,
there's this, there's that old

1182
01:12:59,879 --> 01:13:02,999
notion, or the the, the famous
quote from Steve Jobs where he

1183
01:13:02,999 --> 01:13:06,119
said, you know, we need to get
as for Apple, we need to get

1184
01:13:06,119 --> 01:13:09,029
over this idea that in order for
Apple to win, Microsoft needs to

1185
01:13:09,029 --> 01:13:13,409
lose. And that I feel like that
applies here as well, you know,

1186
01:13:13,499 --> 01:13:17,249
in order for open to win doesn't
mean that closed has to lose.

1187
01:13:17,429 --> 01:13:21,569
Look at look at Linux and and
windows. I mean, they're two,

1188
01:13:21,629 --> 01:13:24,299
there's a close as a closed
architecture and an open

1189
01:13:24,299 --> 01:13:30,989
architecture. And they both have
a mid success now. The but the

1190
01:13:30,989 --> 01:13:35,879
beauty of openness is that you
don't you get is like we talked

1191
01:13:35,879 --> 01:13:41,009
about before you get interrupt
for free. It's built in, it's

1192
01:13:41,009 --> 01:13:46,679
built into the system. And so,
you know, just just by nature of

1193
01:13:47,099 --> 01:13:53,999
caste o's and, and podcast index
speaking the same open standard

1194
01:13:53,999 --> 01:13:57,779
language. Oh, we just get we
just get this interop I mean, we

1195
01:13:57,779 --> 01:13:58,589
didn't have to we didn't

1196
01:13:58,620 --> 01:14:01,230
we didn't have to buy you. We
didn't have to buy we didn't

1197
01:14:01,230 --> 01:14:03,840
certainly didn't have a meeting.
Yes, exactly.

1198
01:14:04,380 --> 01:14:06,780
You don't have to have webinars
and meetings and everything. It

1199
01:14:06,780 --> 01:14:08,940
just you just let it fall and do
it.

1200
01:14:10,260 --> 01:14:18,840
And roadmaps. Yeah, roadmap?
Well, for sure. All of these

1201
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:22,710
companies, I can predict it for
you right now. They all have to

1202
01:14:22,710 --> 01:14:27,720
have a Bitcoin strategy. And now
that the mayor elect of New York

1203
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:31,740
has just said that he wants to
have his first three paychecks

1204
01:14:31,740 --> 01:14:35,100
paid in Bitcoin. I think it's
time that everybody considers

1205
01:14:35,100 --> 01:14:39,720
having a Bitcoin strategy. And
em that Bitcoin strategy can be

1206
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:43,350
to buy little bits of Bitcoin,
or the strategy can be to do a

1207
01:14:43,350 --> 01:14:46,080
little bit of effort putting a
little bit of effort, and if

1208
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:49,650
people send it to you, that's
your Bitcoin strategy. If you're

1209
01:14:49,650 --> 01:14:52,530
an app developer, there's your
bit, you know, you have a

1210
01:14:52,530 --> 01:14:55,830
Bitcoin strategy, the big boys
are doing it, and one of them's

1211
01:14:55,830 --> 01:14:57,990
gonna wake up and they're gonna,
you know, and they say, you

1212
01:14:57,990 --> 01:15:00,000
know, this is a cool thing.
We're gonna do this and we're

1213
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,040
Gonna, we're going to take 20%
of all of your Satoshis. And

1214
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:06,540
people will like it.

1215
01:15:09,690 --> 01:15:11,190
That's amazing. That's amazing.

1216
01:15:11,190 --> 01:15:13,620
It's really, it's really easy. I
think that's what Matt was

1217
01:15:13,620 --> 01:15:17,130
getting at before it has to be
just literally a click of a

1218
01:15:17,130 --> 01:15:18,750
button. Sure, yeah,

1219
01:15:19,050 --> 01:15:24,810
it can be literally a click of
the button. Just has to be done.

1220
01:15:24,810 --> 01:15:27,870
I mean, yeah, anything can be
done. I mean, I can see exactly

1221
01:15:27,870 --> 01:15:29,850
how it would be done people. So
I want us to make it their

1222
01:15:29,850 --> 01:15:33,930
business we're going to try, but
part of it, which will probably

1223
01:15:33,930 --> 01:15:37,020
be more open, but hopefully
someone picks that up and says,

1224
01:15:37,260 --> 01:15:39,750
I can probably make a service
and business around this.

1225
01:15:40,350 --> 01:15:44,400
Yeah, it's it's amazing to think
that just now we're seeing all

1226
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:47,160
of them in the mayor of Miami is
now amaze, taking his full

1227
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:50,640
paycheck and Bitcoin, like,
we're starting to see this stuff

1228
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:54,480
that would have been
unthinkable. Or just like, who

1229
01:15:54,480 --> 01:15:57,510
would uh, it's amazing that
we're starting to see this type

1230
01:15:57,510 --> 01:16:01,830
of thing from elected officials
say that this is kind of what

1231
01:16:01,830 --> 01:16:03,960
you would have thought of as a
you know, crazy people would do

1232
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:06,930
that. And then that was it.
Aaron Rodgers, I saw he's taking

1233
01:16:06,930 --> 01:16:09,960
part of his paycheck in Bitcoin.
This is a thing like this is

1234
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:13,800
becoming an actual thing. That
is that people are doing on a

1235
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:19,620
large scale. It's pretty, it's
it's almost disorienting a

1236
01:16:19,620 --> 01:16:20,190
little bit

1237
01:16:20,490 --> 01:16:24,810
is a human thing, right? Because
I mean, electricity when it

1238
01:16:24,810 --> 01:16:28,170
first came out, and people are
like, I just want to use candles

1239
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:31,770
for the rest of my life. I don't
want light bulbs, right? Or

1240
01:16:31,770 --> 01:16:34,560
cars, I'm going to stick to
horses, right. And everyone on

1241
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:38,040
the fringes was always like,
that's a crazy idea, the web

1242
01:16:38,100 --> 01:16:41,730
right when it first started, and
we'll we'll all probably be

1243
01:16:41,730 --> 01:16:45,240
laughing about this in you know,
20 years when we're like, yeah,

1244
01:16:45,300 --> 01:16:49,200
what? Yeah, what we were doing
back then. It's just, it's just

1245
01:16:49,230 --> 01:16:51,900
the way it is now. Humans

1246
01:16:51,930 --> 01:16:56,520
will definitely be laughing
because in 20 years, our 28

1247
01:16:56,520 --> 01:17:02,190
million Satoshis in the index is
going to retire. Yes. Myself and

1248
01:17:02,190 --> 01:17:06,330
my two partners. Which leads me
to perhaps a good moment to

1249
01:17:06,810 --> 01:17:10,920
remind everybody about the value
for value concept. Here's your

1250
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:15,390
cue to boost you know, you want
to Yeah, we know you've been

1251
01:17:15,390 --> 01:17:17,610
boosted throughout the show
already. And we also like to

1252
01:17:17,610 --> 01:17:23,190
thank people who send in their
Fiat fun coupons through PayPal,

1253
01:17:23,220 --> 01:17:26,010
which you can find a podcast
index.org at the bottom, the big

1254
01:17:26,010 --> 01:17:29,310
red donate button but we really
love the booster grams. We love

1255
01:17:29,310 --> 01:17:33,810
the the per minute Satoshis you
know, set that as high as you

1256
01:17:33,810 --> 01:17:36,750
think it's worth. That's what
it's all about value for value

1257
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:41,280
is this podcast valuable the
entire concept. You're the one

1258
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:44,850
that keeps it running. So put
that down and put it in a number

1259
01:17:44,850 --> 01:17:48,210
send it back to us. And Dave,
you have your papers, papers to

1260
01:17:48,210 --> 01:17:48,690
Russell.

1261
01:17:49,110 --> 01:17:51,990
Yeah, you guys want to stick
around first and Mr. Graham's?

1262
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:59,910
Yep. Yes. Good. Yep. Well, right
off the bat. We've got I was

1263
01:17:59,910 --> 01:18:04,710
gonna add a note on here that
says that we're in a PayPal

1264
01:18:04,710 --> 01:18:12,480
recession. But then rss.com
ponied up with $800.57 writes

1265
01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:19,140
right before the show. And
been@rss.com What was the number

1266
01:18:19,530 --> 01:18:25,980
$800.57 She explains it he says
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01:18:25,980 --> 01:18:29,580
read 8057 as boost.

1268
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:34,650
Oh, wow. Okay, I like that.

1269
01:18:34,770 --> 01:18:37,320
I like that. On the list.

1270
01:18:37,530 --> 01:18:41,040
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01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:42,690
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1272
01:18:43,500 --> 01:18:47,010
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01:18:47,010 --> 01:18:51,240
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1,298,432 sets. James Cridland
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1280
01:19:15,630 --> 01:19:18,270
You guys are leading a lot of
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1281
01:19:18,270 --> 01:19:20,760
Christensen's theory of the
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1282
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:27,060
true again. Go podcasting your
friends at RSS Alberto Ben SSPs.

1283
01:19:27,210 --> 01:19:29,760
Adam, don't be a hill country
snob and come by for a visit.

1284
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:30,540
I'll buy you lunch.

1285
01:19:33,750 --> 01:19:36,810
Yeah, man, I'm coming down for
sure. For sure. Yeah, I got to

1286
01:19:36,810 --> 01:19:41,700
see. Steven B. He's in San
Antonio. Like all these people

1287
01:19:41,700 --> 01:19:44,520
are not even that far away.
That's so nice, man. Thank you

1288
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:47,340
so much. You guys are great.
They've been spun. They've been

1289
01:19:47,340 --> 01:19:50,670
promoted. They've been really
supporting us these levels from

1290
01:19:50,670 --> 01:19:51,180
day one.

1291
01:19:51,660 --> 01:19:58,020
You need to do the brisket tour.
The Texas Tour. Oh yes. Yeah, we

1292
01:19:58,020 --> 01:20:01,080
got to gas from Rhode Island
here. You're both in Rhode

1293
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:01,620
Island, right?

1294
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:03,000
I'm in mass.

1295
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:06,660
But yeah, we're in Rhode Island.

1296
01:20:07,770 --> 01:20:08,370
Barrington.

1297
01:20:08,940 --> 01:20:13,230
My mom went to Barrington high.
Oh, wow. Yeah, world. Yeah. My

1298
01:20:13,260 --> 01:20:20,160
mike my great grandfather played
for Pawtucket something or other

1299
01:20:20,190 --> 01:20:21,150
Oh yeah. Yeah.

1300
01:20:21,480 --> 01:20:25,440
Yep. So you're not you're not in
Rhode Island but you're from

1301
01:20:25,440 --> 01:20:26,310
there. Is that right man?

1302
01:20:26,879 --> 01:20:30,059
No, I'm just I'm 15 minutes away
from Barrington. I'm in

1303
01:20:30,059 --> 01:20:31,259
Massachusetts Dartmouth,

1304
01:20:31,410 --> 01:20:34,620
Dartmouth. Okay, gotcha. See, I
didn't even say I thought Rhode

1305
01:20:34,620 --> 01:20:37,440
Island was a myth. I didn't
think it actually existed

1306
01:20:37,440 --> 01:20:40,980
because I've literally never in
my entire life met anybody from

1307
01:20:40,980 --> 01:20:45,360
Rhode Island. But now there's
there there's one and one person

1308
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:49,140
that can vouch for him. So I
think I'm stand corrected. Let's

1309
01:20:49,140 --> 01:20:54,000
see we got a booster grant from
Who's it from Cass Pilant. He

1310
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:58,320
says, says 4000 SAS he says, I
pi hold the crap out of that.

1311
01:20:58,620 --> 01:21:04,590
Haha boost. I don't know what
he's talking about. Okay. Okay,

1312
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:10,890
whatever. Let's see. We got an
anonymous boost. Well, no,

1313
01:21:10,890 --> 01:21:14,580
sorry. No, no, miss. Just no
message from John's BRT. 4900

1314
01:21:14,580 --> 01:21:21,270
SAS Thank you, Joey. Got a 17
Ooh, this is from Brian of

1315
01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:27,360
London and he says I'm going to
add 1948 to the GitHub list.

1316
01:21:28,980 --> 01:21:34,560
Okay, and in buddies buddy
boosted 17 146 sets and alright.

1317
01:21:34,590 --> 01:21:35,580
Oh, Dad, Brian,

1318
01:21:35,580 --> 01:21:40,620
man. He's he is the the Dan
Brown of podcasting. 2.0 always

1319
01:21:40,620 --> 01:21:41,370
in riddles.

1320
01:21:43,260 --> 01:21:47,280
Oh, James Grantland. 222 sets he
says great to hear Benjamin.

1321
01:21:47,370 --> 01:21:48,240
Thank you James.

1322
01:21:48,690 --> 01:21:51,870
Appreciate it's also known as a
row of ducks. Yes, right.

1323
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:56,190
Oh Brown of London again. He
says that same message. I guess

1324
01:21:56,190 --> 01:21:59,730
he he corrected it. 1948 He says
boost

1325
01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:02,730
Oh, give me a Fauci here.

1326
01:22:03,180 --> 01:22:05,790
Boost. Okay,

1327
01:22:05,820 --> 01:22:09,300
what are these other ones that I
have here? Dave? You brought to

1328
01:22:09,300 --> 01:22:10,140
boost jingles.

1329
01:22:11,220 --> 01:22:16,680
Oh, that might be leftover from
last week. Yeah,

1330
01:22:16,710 --> 01:22:19,950
Booth yesterday, right. Okay,
remember? I'm not Oh, man. This

1331
01:22:19,950 --> 01:22:20,880
dog is excited.

1332
01:22:21,450 --> 01:22:26,280
Oh, yeah. Peter, the sloths as
exhibit 777 SATs and he says

1333
01:22:26,730 --> 01:22:29,610
it's a real tragedy that the
speaking of Bitcoin, formerly

1334
01:22:29,610 --> 01:22:33,660
known as let's talk Bitcoin
podcast, with Adam Levin. And

1335
01:22:33,660 --> 01:22:38,040
Andreas Antonopoulos. And
Stephen Stephanie Murphy. In

1336
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:41,550
some other dude aren't on the
podcasting. 2.0 Tip yet? Get on

1337
01:22:41,550 --> 01:22:42,120
it. Noobs

1338
01:22:42,180 --> 01:22:44,730
Yeah, you got you need to reach
out to him. That's how it works.

1339
01:22:44,730 --> 01:22:47,130
You've got to tell your
podcasters what you want. They

1340
01:22:47,130 --> 01:22:47,940
will listen.

1341
01:22:48,450 --> 01:22:53,610
Yeah, totally. It's a feedback
loop. Okay, Oscar Maris in a row

1342
01:22:53,610 --> 01:22:57,840
of ducks, 2222 sets. And he says
Adam couldn't agree more with

1343
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:01,620
you on transcripts, what we need
is a new open standard to add

1344
01:23:01,620 --> 01:23:05,070
the spit to the spec that
includes the per word timings.

1345
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:08,640
The challenge here is each
commercial transcripts service

1346
01:23:08,850 --> 01:23:12,210
has a different output format. I
will do some more research and

1347
01:23:12,210 --> 01:23:15,750
try to propose an update to the
spec. We'll get there. Thank you

1348
01:23:15,750 --> 01:23:21,270
Oscar. Now, guys. So when y'all
are working on your Trent, thank

1349
01:23:21,270 --> 01:23:23,490
you said you're working on
transcript maybe for the future?

1350
01:23:25,050 --> 01:23:29,850
Do you have an idea of how
you're going to go about that? I

1351
01:23:29,850 --> 01:23:32,940
mean, like would you make your
own service or use some external

1352
01:23:32,940 --> 01:23:33,870
transcription service?

1353
01:23:35,430 --> 01:23:38,280
Yeah, I think like at a high
level, so we already have an

1354
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:42,450
external transcript service that
that we connect with. Okay, but

1355
01:23:42,450 --> 01:23:47,070
I think the the reason that it's
taken us longer to do this is we

1356
01:23:47,070 --> 01:23:49,380
want the ability for folks to be
able to bring their own

1357
01:23:49,380 --> 01:23:52,920
transcript and put it in the
system and have it, you know,

1358
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:55,680
have that associated with a tag.
Whereas now the only way we

1359
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:58,080
could do it is if you use our
transcript service. And that's

1360
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:00,720
kind of back to the whole open
nature of how we want to build

1361
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:04,050
this is say, hey, like, Hey, if
you used otter, or rev, or did

1362
01:24:04,050 --> 01:24:08,100
it yourself or whatever, you
know, bring that drop it in. And

1363
01:24:08,100 --> 01:24:10,020
when you're creating your
episode, and that's the that's

1364
01:24:10,020 --> 01:24:13,260
what the tag references instead
of, hey, this is the you know,

1365
01:24:13,260 --> 01:24:16,350
Casta supports the transcript
tag, only if you use our service

1366
01:24:16,350 --> 01:24:18,960
that we you know, charge for. So
we want to make it a little

1367
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:22,470
more, a little more open and
inclusive, rather than just

1368
01:24:22,470 --> 01:24:25,470
something that that's part of
our system. That

1369
01:24:25,530 --> 01:24:28,110
that's something that non
developers routinely don't

1370
01:24:28,110 --> 01:24:30,240
understand is that in a
situation like this, when you're

1371
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:34,440
talking about having either or
at building two pathways, is

1372
01:24:34,440 --> 01:24:40,050
always complex. Just, you know,
adding that one extra option,

1373
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:42,780
whenever whenever you change
something from a feature to an

1374
01:24:42,780 --> 01:24:45,630
option, where they can do it, we
know where you can say, okay,

1375
01:24:45,630 --> 01:24:48,480
you can do it this way or this
way. I mean, everything just

1376
01:24:48,480 --> 01:24:51,540
gets exponentially harder. It
takes that

1377
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:56,100
on WordPress or in casts because
not the same place. Yeah,

1378
01:24:56,610 --> 01:24:59,970
that too. Now you get four
pathways, you know, yeah, yeah.

1379
01:25:00,690 --> 01:25:06,420
Okay, we got a histogram from be
even our 808 Those is a boob

1380
01:25:06,420 --> 01:25:06,840
boost.

1381
01:25:06,870 --> 01:25:11,040
Yeah. We don't have a jingle for
that. Yeah, no damage. Boost.

1382
01:25:12,509 --> 01:25:17,489
Thank you babe in ours. See cast
peeling against 2300 SATs. He

1383
01:25:17,489 --> 01:25:23,369
says thanks for the show for
now. 34 Now 3300 set to show.

1384
01:25:25,739 --> 01:25:29,849
Okay. I understand it, but thank
you Cass

1385
01:25:29,879 --> 01:25:33,089
drab. drab sent me a no Dred
Scott who does our chapters and

1386
01:25:33,089 --> 01:25:36,329
he said, Oh my God, what was
this boost? I mean, I got this

1387
01:25:36,359 --> 01:25:41,369
shoot. Did someone send 330,000
Satoshis? Alright, hold on a

1388
01:25:41,369 --> 01:25:44,969
second man. Let me show me some
output. That's milset

1389
01:25:44,999 --> 01:25:45,539
Milissa.

1390
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:49,650
Yes. Okay. Got

1391
01:25:49,650 --> 01:25:52,950
it. Yeah, for those that don't
know, mill, mill Satoshis aren't

1392
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:56,850
they're not a thing on the net
on the Bitcoin Blockchain, but

1393
01:25:57,660 --> 01:26:01,770
they're an internal thing that
you do, you can do within within

1394
01:26:01,770 --> 01:26:05,430
Bitcoin, like, it's internal to
the system. But I mean, the

1395
01:26:05,430 --> 01:26:07,560
Satoshi is the smallest unit,
you can actually trade on the

1396
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:12,630
chain. James Cridland 222.
Again, he says, Adam is right

1397
01:26:12,630 --> 01:26:16,620
about transcripts. Let's let's
ask for per word transcripts. I

1398
01:26:16,620 --> 01:26:19,410
also think transcripts are the
easiest way to get the namespace

1399
01:26:19,410 --> 01:26:21,510
into hosts and apps. I agree.

1400
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:24,900
Yeah. And well, of course, the
transcripts are being used

1401
01:26:24,900 --> 01:26:28,680
mainly by these companies for
attribution for you know, first

1402
01:26:28,710 --> 01:26:33,420
AI scanning, you know, ad ads
insertions where they work. You

1403
01:26:33,420 --> 01:26:36,720
know what relevance I mean,
they're completely new mining.

1404
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:41,940
It's like having Amazon probe
you Ainley just just

1405
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:44,220
add a service from AWS. Yes, it

1406
01:26:44,220 --> 01:26:47,910
is. Yes. It's the analog, the
analog web services.

1407
01:26:48,990 --> 01:26:49,710
Nice.

1408
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:55,110
It's actually part of the
advanced network analysis

1409
01:26:55,110 --> 01:26:56,310
language. I've been working on

1410
01:27:01,410 --> 01:27:02,670
your rare form today I have a
friend.

1411
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:07,140
It's the dog he got finally got
her calm here.

1412
01:27:08,340 --> 01:27:12,570
Yale, send us el Ostrovsky. I
know this guy. We've known each

1413
01:27:12,570 --> 01:27:17,040
other for a long time. Good.
Good guys. Send us 1500 SATs and

1414
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:19,980
he says, Oh, y'all much more
value for value. But here's my

1415
01:27:19,980 --> 01:27:23,430
shot. Trying to make our radio
show the first with podcasting.

1416
01:27:23,430 --> 01:27:27,960
2.0. Is this been claimed yet?
No. Thinks?

1417
01:27:28,710 --> 01:27:30,120
No, I don't think so.

1418
01:27:31,290 --> 01:27:37,440
His his radio show is called
consumer choice radio. Bill

1419
01:27:37,440 --> 01:27:42,480
prog. Send us 1000 SATs and he
says despite you still ignoring

1420
01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:44,730
the easiest way for
decentralized cross platform

1421
01:27:44,730 --> 01:27:48,180
comments, here's a small
donation guy asked me.

1422
01:27:48,900 --> 01:27:51,570
He doesn't give us ignoring it.
He doesn't give us the clue. He

1423
01:27:51,570 --> 01:27:53,970
didn't give us the answer. What
do it's so simple. What do I

1424
01:27:53,970 --> 01:27:54,420
have to do?

1425
01:27:55,740 --> 01:28:00,060
No, no, no, I don't think he
did. And he must know and he's

1426
01:28:00,060 --> 01:28:01,470
keeping it all to himself. Okay.

1427
01:28:03,480 --> 01:28:04,110
Oh,

1428
01:28:04,140 --> 01:28:08,490
I know. I'm an idiot. Bill. He's
a hive guy.

1429
01:28:08,820 --> 01:28:09,660
Oh,

1430
01:28:10,860 --> 01:28:14,880
yeah. Yeah, we've had guys
everything's been saying the

1431
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:17,190
answers. It doesn't matter what
the question is. Yes. Hi.

1432
01:28:19,170 --> 01:28:22,260
Honey, what did you do with the
with the with the lighter hive?

1433
01:28:22,860 --> 01:28:30,600
Hive? What do for lunch? Hive.
aerostatic us into 1376 sets.

1434
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:37,740
And he says boosting for drab.
Oh, okay. Proxy booth. drab get

1435
01:28:37,740 --> 01:28:42,420
some stats from somebody who's
not? Excuse me. Steven B from

1436
01:28:42,420 --> 01:28:46,020
curio casters in his 5000 SATs
and he says, Can you guys tell

1437
01:28:46,020 --> 01:28:48,510
the story of how you two were
introduced, connected and

1438
01:28:48,510 --> 01:28:52,620
started working together? Maybe
too long of a story for today.

1439
01:28:52,620 --> 01:28:53,310
Let's do it next week.

1440
01:28:53,340 --> 01:28:56,070
Next week. I'll write it on
Write this down that we talked

1441
01:28:56,070 --> 01:29:01,050
about that? How how we met What
was our meet aversary

1442
01:29:01,710 --> 01:29:05,910
or meet a verse. I do want to
hear how you how Matt, how you

1443
01:29:05,910 --> 01:29:10,620
and Craig got together. Did you?
Were you working on this on the

1444
01:29:10,620 --> 01:29:16,500
WordPress plugin? before? We all
like before y'all had a working

1445
01:29:16,500 --> 01:29:18,300
relationship together? How did
that come about?

1446
01:29:20,580 --> 01:29:22,470
That Oh, your side of the story?
Yeah.

1447
01:29:22,890 --> 01:29:24,240
Yes. I had my no pressure,

1448
01:29:24,270 --> 01:29:24,900
no pressure

1449
01:29:26,430 --> 01:29:30,300
press podcast and, you know,
just talking to people who are

1450
01:29:30,300 --> 01:29:34,500
building stuff with WordPress
and obviously came across Greg

1451
01:29:34,500 --> 01:29:38,580
because I was podcasting. He
started a podcast company, a bot

1452
01:29:38,580 --> 01:29:43,230
that like required that plugin.
And then I won't name which

1453
01:29:43,230 --> 01:29:48,240
podcast host that was at prior
to Craig. No, but you know, as

1454
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:52,380
soon as I saw his software was
way easier. I was like, I'm just

1455
01:29:52,380 --> 01:29:54,840
switching because it's just so
much easier.

1456
01:29:55,230 --> 01:29:58,830
Just wait until they get Lipson
five up. Yeah.

1457
01:30:00,539 --> 01:30:05,549
They said two years ago, um, and
then we started working together

1458
01:30:05,549 --> 01:30:06,149
about a year ago.

1459
01:30:07,440 --> 01:30:12,000
Okay, that's so yeah. So you're
you came on board recently.

1460
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:14,250
You're not like employee number
three or something.

1461
01:30:14,790 --> 01:30:19,860
I'm not employee number three,
but I'm ID number three in the

1462
01:30:19,860 --> 01:30:23,400
database. Because he Craig
reached out to me. Right when he

1463
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:24,900
started the the hosted version.

1464
01:30:25,470 --> 01:30:28,260
Can you can you corroborate the
story as truthful?

1465
01:30:28,589 --> 01:30:33,689
That's mostly true. Yeah. But I
mean, it's just like everyone

1466
01:30:33,689 --> 01:30:38,249
has their like, because of
podcasting. I whatever. And I

1467
01:30:38,249 --> 01:30:40,349
think that's, that's like the
case, right? Because of

1468
01:30:40,349 --> 01:30:43,409
podcasting. I knew Matt. And
because of, you know, my

1469
01:30:43,409 --> 01:30:46,139
podcast, Matt and me, and like,
we've been listening to each

1470
01:30:46,139 --> 01:30:48,419
other's podcasts for years
before we got a chance to work

1471
01:30:48,419 --> 01:30:51,839
together. And it just
accelerated the trust so much,

1472
01:30:52,529 --> 01:30:54,719
even ahead of him actually
working here. As I reached out

1473
01:30:54,719 --> 01:30:56,249
to him, I was like, Hey, we're
about to launch this thing. Can

1474
01:30:56,249 --> 01:30:58,769
you kind of come in and, and
beta test this? And that's,

1475
01:30:58,769 --> 01:31:02,219
that's why he's ID number three
in the databases. He was one of

1476
01:31:02,219 --> 01:31:06,509
our very first kind of beta
testers and users. And yeah, I

1477
01:31:06,509 --> 01:31:09,719
just think that it's, it's just
one, one more of the many

1478
01:31:09,719 --> 01:31:12,899
examples of how like, just
putting this content out there

1479
01:31:12,899 --> 01:31:15,899
having it be open and available
to everybody. Just lets you get

1480
01:31:15,899 --> 01:31:19,229
to know folks in a really cool
way that that can lead to so

1481
01:31:19,229 --> 01:31:21,629
many different things. And in
this case, yeah, Matt and I

1482
01:31:21,629 --> 01:31:24,059
working together and the
decision to hire him was like,

1483
01:31:24,599 --> 01:31:27,959
really simple. Just because
I've, you know, been on his

1484
01:31:27,959 --> 01:31:31,259
podcast, he's been on mine, I've
listened to dozens of hours of

1485
01:31:31,259 --> 01:31:34,349
him, and vice versa. So it's
just like that trust is already

1486
01:31:34,349 --> 01:31:34,649
there.

1487
01:31:35,670 --> 01:31:40,530
And yeah, that's, that's, that's
interface always. Yeah, but you

1488
01:31:40,530 --> 01:31:43,350
develop a working relationship.
And then it's like, hey, let's

1489
01:31:43,350 --> 01:31:46,560
actually start working together
in Maine. It may it makes a lot

1490
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:54,090
of sense. Yeah. And says a chip
98 gave us 13 130 so late, late

1491
01:31:54,090 --> 01:31:57,960
boosts. Can I get a go
podcasting? Thank you to

1492
01:31:57,960 --> 01:31:59,580
everyone for all your awesome
efforts.

1493
01:32:02,370 --> 01:32:03,060
Of course.

1494
01:32:04,590 --> 01:32:08,550
aerostatic again, gave us 2376
And he says, this is an

1495
01:32:08,610 --> 01:32:16,860
aerostatic a personal standard
boost. PSB. Okay, I like to say

1496
01:32:16,860 --> 01:32:21,840
anonymous boost 16,000 SATs.
Whoa, and this is through Brees.

1497
01:32:22,020 --> 01:32:26,760
And he just says he or she says
emptying my wallet in gratitude,

1498
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:29,130
drink and treat, gentlemen.
Thank you. Thank you.

1499
01:32:29,610 --> 01:32:33,390
I like that. Yeah, but did you
remember to fill it up? Fill it

1500
01:32:33,390 --> 01:32:33,930
up again.

1501
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:38,520
Yeah, well, you can fill it back
up. Yeah. Jim 98. Again, he has

1502
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:43,350
1212 1226 SATs and he says this
is for the charity fund.

1503
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:48,960
Yes, I was going to mention the
lightning podcast charity fund.

1504
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:52,500
We still have them in our value
block have not heard back from

1505
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:57,210
from Oscar. But hopefully,
hopefully he's going to put that

1506
01:32:57,210 --> 01:32:57,930
to good use.

1507
01:32:58,590 --> 01:33:01,650
Yes, a good way for onboarding
just give out some stats you

1508
01:33:01,650 --> 01:33:05,610
know, that's a tried and true
old Bitcoin method of the faucet

1509
01:33:05,670 --> 01:33:07,470
and then how it works back Yes.
How

1510
01:33:07,470 --> 01:33:07,950
it works.

1511
01:33:09,330 --> 01:33:13,140
Sir Pete gave us 5000 SAS and he
says podcast and chillin

1512
01:33:14,340 --> 01:33:15,150
Yes, sir. Bait.

1513
01:33:16,500 --> 01:33:23,130
Thank you, buddy. Anonymous 1111
SATs through breeze and you just

1514
01:33:23,130 --> 01:33:24,030
says boost

1515
01:33:24,060 --> 01:33:26,940
yo, we got it for you. Most

1516
01:33:29,130 --> 01:33:35,670
relaxed. Let's see relaxed male.
This is 1000 SATs. He says y'all

1517
01:33:35,670 --> 01:33:38,250
are great. Thanks for everything
y'all are doing go podcasting.

1518
01:33:44,310 --> 01:33:48,240
Anonymous, this just says from
breeze and it's 100 sets Thank

1519
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:53,430
you breeze gets in the breeze
has become a artificial

1520
01:33:53,430 --> 01:33:57,300
intelligence and is now sending
us ads. This oh and for mere

1521
01:33:57,300 --> 01:34:01,530
mortals Kira and our buddy Karen
over there since 234 says and he

1522
01:34:01,530 --> 01:34:04,470
says can't remember if I boosted
or not asked him sets good

1523
01:34:04,470 --> 01:34:04,950
serves.

1524
01:34:04,980 --> 01:34:05,850
Thank you, Gary.

1525
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:11,820
I do that too. I'll forget if I
boosted up. Yeah, here James

1526
01:34:11,820 --> 01:34:13,500
read like three of my boots on
the show.

1527
01:34:13,589 --> 01:34:18,149
That's why I like having wallet
history. Oh, yeah, a couple of

1528
01:34:18,149 --> 01:34:19,379
apps out that is pretty cool.

1529
01:34:20,460 --> 01:34:24,000
And that's our base grants and
then our monthly donors. Droid

1530
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:32,310
works. LLC $20 Scott Gaubert
Jalbert $12 Mark, gram $1 Joseph

1531
01:34:32,310 --> 01:34:38,280
Baraka $5 David Mitas from Fun
Fact Friday podcast. $10 Cameron

1532
01:34:38,280 --> 01:34:42,330
rose, the cameras been here with
us for a long time. $25 and

1533
01:34:42,330 --> 01:34:45,840
Jeremy new $5 Thanks, guys.
That's our group.

1534
01:34:45,900 --> 01:34:49,470
Yeah, thank you all very much.
Keep it coming. Keep keep Yeah,

1535
01:34:49,470 --> 01:34:52,440
the booster grams. And this is
this is like a transition. And

1536
01:34:52,440 --> 01:34:55,440
we were probably making less
money on the incident incoming I

1537
01:34:55,440 --> 01:34:58,440
think. Oh, yeah, yeah,
definitely. Yeah. So but we're

1538
01:34:58,440 --> 01:35:00,960
still okay, I've got to talk to
Eric. What No ever call Monday

1539
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:03,150
we're gonna see if we still got
money.

1540
01:35:04,230 --> 01:35:07,530
Yeah, we so we don't ever talk
and like hardly hardly at all

1541
01:35:07,530 --> 01:35:10,530
except signal chat and so every
now and then it's like hey,

1542
01:35:10,890 --> 01:35:13,080
maybe we actually need to be a
business once

1543
01:35:13,379 --> 01:35:16,319
yeah we're supposed to have
quarterly calls which we're now

1544
01:35:16,319 --> 01:35:19,709
it's kind of the scheduler but
I'm delighted I'm delighted by

1545
01:35:19,709 --> 01:35:23,639
the by the conversion to booster
grams is really good y'all just

1546
01:35:23,639 --> 01:35:27,359
need to up the up the ante or
just boost more

1547
01:35:28,740 --> 01:35:32,010
and so y'all said that y'all are
neither one of y'all are

1548
01:35:32,010 --> 01:35:39,180
developers but you run a urine
to WordPress podcast Matt one

1549
01:35:39,930 --> 01:35:42,540
well yeah, I cannot be developer
Yeah.

1550
01:35:43,350 --> 01:35:46,470
Oh you know enough to be
dangerous used to be used to run

1551
01:35:46,530 --> 01:35:50,310
a WordPress agency where we
develop we design and develop

1552
01:35:50,310 --> 01:35:54,090
sites but it was just about the
know how of it and then you

1553
01:35:54,090 --> 01:35:57,870
know, putting people in place to
actually do the smart stuff but

1554
01:35:57,870 --> 01:35:59,520
I cover a lot of it from the
business side where the

1555
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:02,790
WordPress on the WordPress side
because it's like podcasting

1556
01:36:02,790 --> 01:36:05,280
there's a there's a bunch of
businesses in there that people

1557
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:10,860
don't know about that are pretty
big and making a nice chunk of

1558
01:36:10,860 --> 01:36:13,770
change selling WordPress plugins
and themes. So it's an

1559
01:36:13,770 --> 01:36:16,380
interesting space but one that
doesn't get looked at other than

1560
01:36:16,380 --> 01:36:20,490
wordpress.com which is worth
millions Yeah,

1561
01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:24,210
well that what So Craig what
what is your development

1562
01:36:24,210 --> 01:36:27,510
background? Did you come out of
out of that same arena?

1563
01:36:28,170 --> 01:36:31,560
No, yeah, my background is
actually in sales. So come at it

1564
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:35,910
from an ops and sales and
marketing perspective and sales

1565
01:36:35,910 --> 01:36:39,780
in Wakefield. Yeah, so I in a
previous life, I was in medical

1566
01:36:39,780 --> 01:36:44,190
device sales. So working for
kind of big cardiac medical

1567
01:36:44,190 --> 01:36:49,170
device company and yeah, just
totally kind of early midlife

1568
01:36:49,170 --> 01:36:52,650
crisis. I guess. It's like,
anymore like being away from my

1569
01:36:52,650 --> 01:36:57,360
family and all and just an
opportunity to talk all day in a

1570
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:58,260
really to take all

1571
01:36:58,260 --> 01:37:03,030
those hospital people out for
dinner and you got to Oh, man.

1572
01:37:03,390 --> 01:37:06,150
Yeah, it's tough. I've been I've
been watching dope sick. Have

1573
01:37:06,150 --> 01:37:12,240
you heard about this? Series?
Dope Sick is on. I think it's on

1574
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:16,200
Hulu. And it's about it's
Michael Keaton produced it. And

1575
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:20,160
it's about the the opioid, the
entire opiate scandal, I should

1576
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:24,570
say, starting with the Sackler
family, but then it's, you know,

1577
01:37:24,570 --> 01:37:28,290
it's heavily based upon how
doctors were, you know, honestly

1578
01:37:28,290 --> 01:37:31,470
kind of roped in, you know, it's
like, hey, come to our retreat,

1579
01:37:31,470 --> 01:37:34,530
and there's pretty girls there,
and it's all animated and the

1580
01:37:34,530 --> 01:37:36,900
Hey, you can join our speaker's
bureau and like,

1581
01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:43,680
yeah, it's wild. Yeah, yeah. But
I mean, just Yeah. Long hours,

1582
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:47,130
big stress with my family. Now I
have more stress, but with my

1583
01:37:47,130 --> 01:37:51,270
family, which is really, really
good trade off how many kids

1584
01:37:51,270 --> 01:37:56,190
you have? Have to bless you.
Yeah. And that's including Matt

1585
01:37:56,220 --> 01:37:57,030
or Matt, you have your own.

1586
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:02,280
In another life, I was a car
salesman, actually. That's what

1587
01:38:02,280 --> 01:38:04,500
I that's what I grew up in my
family on a car dealership.

1588
01:38:04,830 --> 01:38:05,610
roping God that's

1589
01:38:05,610 --> 01:38:08,040
not that's not just being a car
salesman, man. That's that's an

1590
01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:11,580
American empire right there.
Yeah. Car Dealership. Love that.

1591
01:38:13,590 --> 01:38:17,970
Yeah, my son, my mom's brother.
What was your dad? A Chevrolet

1592
01:38:17,970 --> 01:38:19,350
dealership in Rhode Island.

1593
01:38:20,070 --> 01:38:23,070
Oh, heard? No, no, no. Massey?

1594
01:38:24,180 --> 01:38:28,590
No. Why can I not remember her
maiden name now? A Hawks? Oh,

1595
01:38:28,590 --> 01:38:30,240
yeah. Yeah, talk Chevrolet.

1596
01:38:30,900 --> 01:38:33,930
Yep. We were Yeah, we were
Chevrolet. Yeah, we were rouse

1597
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:35,670
Chevrolet those my grandfather
started.

1598
01:38:36,480 --> 01:38:39,300
Oh, man. I got to come to Rhode
Island now and hang out. We got

1599
01:38:39,300 --> 01:38:44,460
a party. I got a party. Now. We
got to go down memory lane. Very

1600
01:38:44,460 --> 01:38:44,850
cool.

1601
01:38:46,410 --> 01:38:51,060
Let's see. That's, that's all I
got. I got to get back to work.

1602
01:38:51,060 --> 01:38:55,920
So yeah, that's how this Yep,
yeah, this was, uh, this was

1603
01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:58,140
great. I've been hoping to have
you guys on for a long time.

1604
01:38:58,140 --> 01:39:02,580
Just because I feel like, there.
There's so there's so much

1605
01:39:03,540 --> 01:39:06,960
centralized hosting out there
that is so rare to see somebody

1606
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:11,130
doing things in the way that
y'all are doing it. I just think

1607
01:39:11,130 --> 01:39:16,290
it's great. I mean, it's open
source to like, taken, taken to

1608
01:39:16,290 --> 01:39:20,550
the architectural level within
the service. And I love it. I

1609
01:39:20,550 --> 01:39:21,930
think it's, I think it's
fantastic.

1610
01:39:22,770 --> 01:39:25,020
That means a lot. Thanks.
Thanks. Maybe Maybe Matt and I

1611
01:39:25,020 --> 01:39:29,790
can come back on and we can talk
about IAB. Oh, yeah, right.

1612
01:39:30,450 --> 01:39:32,220
Oh, yes.

1613
01:39:32,250 --> 01:39:35,940
That would be hilarious. It will
listen you're going to be

1614
01:39:35,940 --> 01:39:39,870
hearing from me because I really
would like to see how we can

1615
01:39:39,870 --> 01:39:44,070
become an integration ons good
on your platform because I know

1616
01:39:44,070 --> 01:39:49,050
that once once one hosting
company can knows how to offer

1617
01:39:49,050 --> 01:39:54,810
this. And by that I mean special
focus on max job right? It's

1618
01:39:54,810 --> 01:40:02,580
like how can we make this not
just easy from interface

1619
01:40:02,580 --> 01:40:07,050
experience, user experience, but
also, you know, just simplicity

1620
01:40:07,050 --> 01:40:11,820
of understanding and seeing the
flows of what's going on. That'd

1621
01:40:11,820 --> 01:40:13,710
be great. Because I know that I
know everyone's going to be all

1622
01:40:13,710 --> 01:40:16,860
jacked up and want to do it. So
you know, because that's going

1623
01:40:16,860 --> 01:40:20,460
to be, I think, a real unique,
unique thing that won't take too

1624
01:40:20,460 --> 01:40:22,830
much. It really won't take much
infrastructure from you because

1625
01:40:22,830 --> 01:40:23,940
it all runs elsewhere.

1626
01:40:24,510 --> 01:40:26,610
Yeah, right. Yeah, we'd love to
Yeah, absolutely.

1627
01:40:26,790 --> 01:40:29,790
Where did it what's the best way
to find you guys you want to

1628
01:40:29,790 --> 01:40:34,110
promote your podcast or anything
that that you want people to

1629
01:40:34,140 --> 01:40:35,130
hear about to find you.

1630
01:40:37,980 --> 01:40:42,870
I want to plug my booster gram
jingle in the boost Bay GitHub

1631
01:40:42,990 --> 01:40:46,590
crap, which was committed 11
days ago. Oh, I

1632
01:40:46,589 --> 01:40:51,479
may. I may not have noticed.
Which what's it called? I'm

1633
01:40:51,479 --> 01:40:54,869
opening up the boost date repo
right now. This is as good as

1634
01:40:54,869 --> 01:40:55,319
the first

1635
01:40:55,320 --> 01:40:57,690
jingle I ever made. Alright,
what's which one is booster?

1636
01:40:58,020 --> 01:41:02,460
Booster Graham corner underscore
Mmm. It was committed 11 days

1637
01:41:02,460 --> 01:41:02,850
ago.

1638
01:41:03,060 --> 01:41:10,200
Okay in the in the boost bait

1639
01:41:10,260 --> 01:41:14,790
repo. Yeah. Booster, gram, huh?
Oh, yeah. I see it. Here it is.

1640
01:41:14,820 --> 01:41:19,620
Okay. Trimmed for length. Is
that what it is? Yeah, yes. Hold

1641
01:41:19,620 --> 01:41:22,620
on a second. Let me let me just
important Yeah, this is I mean,

1642
01:41:22,620 --> 01:41:24,870
this is Hell yeah, man. Let's
see what those are.

1643
01:41:24,900 --> 01:41:28,260
Because because the the it's a
full package. It's like It's

1644
01:41:28,260 --> 01:41:31,200
like the Mr. T starter kit of
Yeah. Yeah, it

1645
01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:36,420
is. Mr. T starter kit. Alright,
here we go. Now it's time for

1646
01:41:36,420 --> 01:41:40,200
the booster. Booster booster.
Gram corner. Instagram corner. I

1647
01:41:40,200 --> 01:41:48,300
don't know a thing about crypto.
Oh man, sweet. I love that. I

1648
01:41:48,300 --> 01:41:49,140
love it.

1649
01:41:49,980 --> 01:41:52,230
We did it. Can that be in the
show too? Yeah, well,

1650
01:41:52,230 --> 01:41:54,540
hello. I just reracked it. Are
you kidding me? That's

1651
01:41:54,540 --> 01:41:55,080
beautiful.

1652
01:41:56,100 --> 01:41:57,720
Nice. All right, Craig.

1653
01:41:57,720 --> 01:41:58,500
The top that?

1654
01:42:00,270 --> 01:42:06,300
I can't No. No, man, I can't I
can't stop that. But no, I just

1655
01:42:06,300 --> 01:42:09,270
say it first. Thanks for having
us on the show. Speak for Matt

1656
01:42:09,270 --> 01:42:12,870
like just a ton of fun to be
here to chat with you guys. And

1657
01:42:12,870 --> 01:42:15,600
if folks want to check out what
we're doing casters comm check

1658
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:15,930
it out.

1659
01:42:16,410 --> 01:42:18,750
All right. Thank you both very
much, Dave. Thank you feel

1660
01:42:18,750 --> 01:42:21,990
better, brother. It's sounds
like you're already on the

1661
01:42:21,990 --> 01:42:24,660
upswing, though. That's the good
news. And thank you. All right.

1662
01:42:24,660 --> 01:42:30,660
Hi. Thank you all for joining.
We'll see you next week right

1663
01:42:30,660 --> 01:42:33,210
here for the board meeting of
podcasting 2.0.

1664
01:42:48,090 --> 01:42:52,680
You have been listening to
podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast.

1665
01:42:53,820 --> 01:42:55,440
For more information.

1666
01:42:55,710 --> 01:42:59,190
Now it's time for the booster
booster booster Graham corner

1667
01:42:59,250 --> 01:43:02,790
Instagram corner. I don't know a
thing about crypto podcast.