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podcasting 2.0 for October
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crossing the line hello,
everybody. Time to end your

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week. You ready for the weekend?
Well, this is the perfect time

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to join us here in the
boardroom. It's time for another

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meeting of the Board of
Directors of podcasting. 2.0

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everything going on and podcast
index.org the podcast namespace.

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And of course all the wackiness
that is podcast index dot

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social. I'm Adam curry here in
the heart of Hill Country, Texas

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and in Alabama. He's a natural
repellent of all things rust, my

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friend on the other end, Mr.
Dave Jones, everybody

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what's up? Happy Friday.

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Happy Friday. Happy Friday.

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Happy podcast show day.

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Yes, it's always a happy day.

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It is. I was in North Alabama
all day yesterday. Yeah. Family

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at a funeral go to actually Oh,

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I'm sorry. I was just about to
say Oh, nice party, but okay.

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Yeah. No, it's open mouth.
Insert foot. Yes, yes. I'm

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sorry.

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You know, my whole family's from
North Alabama. So I get to spend

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a day, man half a day out there.
So it was it was good. As my

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people I was

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gonna say tell me about your
people. What do they do? They

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come from a long line of
Alabamians Alabamans?

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Oh, yeah, Alabama. Mm hmm. And
most of them worked for

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Monsanto.

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I was just I was just gonna say
you probably farmers or ag

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sector,

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huh? Yep. It's a little small
town in North Alabama called

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Hartzell. It's right next to
Decatur, which is next, which is

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kind of close to Huntsville. So
there's a lot of the two

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industries that there are
agriculture of course, and

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military defense. Right. And
because it's near Huntsville,

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which is a big military
contractor, town,

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so your whole family has been
exposed to glyphosate,

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basically.

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Oh, I'm sure. Absolutely. 100%
Positive. Yeah, no, they know,

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most of my fans,

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everybody four feet tall is
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Yeah. Most of my family retired
in some shape or form or fashion

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from from Monsanto. Yeah. Okay.
I think they changed their

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life. There. Now. Is there a
bare bottom?

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Well, they changed her name to
solutia. Oh, oh, then they

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changed her name back to
Monsanto. I think that's how the

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thing goes.

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They were doing a Blackwater
like, oh, man, we're on we got a

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lot of heat here. Let's change
your name. It's like Facebook,

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match Facebook. Yeah. It's weird
because people are saying that I

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predicted this. And I'm like,
Well, I don't remember you

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predicting that. And I don't
know where it was. And I used to

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own metaverse.com. Okay, which I
registered and Neil Stevenson

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who wrote who wrote the book
Snow Crash, he said, I you can

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use it just, you know, don't
make T shirts. You can't make

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any. You can't be making money
off of the because he has merch.

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It's just I can't do merch. And
I was cool. You know, and this

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was early days. This was still
no this was this was still

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mosaic days, maybe Netscape had
just happened. And so that got

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sold along with the company
years and years ago, so I don't

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have that anymore. I don't know
who has but I figured it would

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be something like that. Meta
Yeah. But I don't I don't think

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I called it like meta. And this
is just a

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Google alphabet play right? I
mean, there's nothing nothing's

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really changing.

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Its positioning it's important
sometimes you know, positioning

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can mean a lot and I don't know
if they're going to keep well

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Facebook will remain Facebook. I
saying I don't think they'd be

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changing the app to meta. This
is for the new rollout of

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whatever new you know,
everything that they're talking

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about to me all I envision is a
move or a mud I can't help it.

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It's like oh, it's gonna be so
cool. It'd be this virtual board

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member moves and muds

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No, no no multi user done Yes.
multi user dungeon

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and massive what was it? Yeah,
massive. Online multiplayer.

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Yes. MMO MMO Yeah,

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yeah. And yeah, yeah, it was
kind of like a text based thing

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you go in just like you look
around, you see a lamp up lamp

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and then all sudden you get
zapped by some wizard in the

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corner Whose room you've
invaded. Doesn't

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always tell you know, you're
facing north to your East door.

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Yeah, West is two

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doors. Oh, man. Good times. All
pre doom.

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What was the name of it? There's
there's a big

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there's lambda lambda mu was it
the lambda mu? Who I don't know

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that one. Yeah, remember? That
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big I think was last Zork was it
Zork that might have been a

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little later than my lambda mu.
Founded in 1990. at Xerox PARC

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is the old it's still around
apparently isn't Really? How

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about that? Yeah, no mu was a
mud object oriented. That's what

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it was. So multi user dungeon
object oriented was a movie.

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Good times, man. Good times. It
was so exciting. It was so

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exciting back in the day. It
Really Work

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was a say individually developed
tween 77 and 79 for the DEC PDP

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10. Hmm. That some guys at MIT
Yeah, that was a buddy of mine

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had that on his PC, Jr. Do you
remember PC Jr?

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Of course. Yes, of course. Well,
so how about this head trip? So

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I weird we're now fondly
remembering muds and moves. And

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yesterday I buckled although
I've I've pi hold the crap out

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of it. And I might get away.
Lucky. Bought a shark? Vacuum

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robot.

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Oh, like a like a Roomba? Yeah,

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yeah. Except this shark who
actually known for vacuum

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cleaners.

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Instead of VC cab venture cafe.
Yeah, that idea? I guess.

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And it's just it's so mind
boggling what these things can

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do with light thing as Lidar

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is okay, so you want to tell me
if they're better now? I had

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one, uh, probably six, seven
years? No, as probably eight

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years ago. And it was it was
okay. But then it was like, as

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long as your floors had were
absolutely level, no

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obstructions. Clear. Nothing. No
rugs. Like if anything got in

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its way. It was like it just it
was just like, No, I'm done.

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Right. There's a better now.

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So of course you got it for the
same reason I got it because we

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have dog white dogs, big white
shedding dogs. And so we have

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polished concrete throughout the
entire house with no. What do

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you call them? I know the Dutch
word dimple, you know where the

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doorway is when you go from no
threshold. Okay. But these new

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things. Okay, so first of all,
very powerful vacuum cleaner.

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And this is a really good vacuum
cleaner. Looks like your face

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off in a second in a heartbeat.
It has LIDAR so you know, which

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is a radar. It's basically like
what you have on adaptive cruise

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control. So it's it's very has,
I think four sensors. It has two

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rubberized track, you know,
heavy tread wheels, but it has

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suspension. So when it hits the
carpet, yeah. Oh, yeah. When it

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hits the carpet, it's like, it's
like a hip hop, low rider pump.

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And it lifts one wheel up and go
half and half. And I've seen

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this to pop. I've seen a bop
over barstool bases. I've seen

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it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And it is
very, it's quite, it's quite

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astounding. Really? Yeah, how
good that is. And then this one

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goes back to his base as it
should. And then once it's in

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the base, then it reverses
thrust and blows all of the dust

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into the container of the bass.
So you only have to empty the

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bass and not the not the actual
vacuum itself is Victus very

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sophisticated. That is legit,
man. Yeah. Now the problem is

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the Chinese have a map of my
house. This is this was kind of

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annoying. So I've been trying
I've been trying to stop all

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this stuff that the app is the
worst is that the device itself

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is not so bad. But the ad the
companion app Oh my goodness.

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This is so bad. It won't even
run on graphene. Graphene like

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now threat vector threat vector.

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If you look at the pothole, to
see what all its own cons Mm

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hmm.

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Yeah. So I haven't segregated on
on but you know, it's still just

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my IP address alone. So they
know kind of where we are and

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they'll know the zip code. And
and obviously the the company

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continues to ask me to register
your address Come on.

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That when they send the EMP to
your house that they can, like

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give you a heads up first they
can let you know in the mail.

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That is coming. Exactly. With
the hypersonic the hypersonic

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missile or whatever. Yeah.

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Yeah. Anyway, um, man, there's a
lot of different things we need

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to talk about. The first thing
maybe we can get into it with

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this, Dave. So I know Stephen,
there's been a lot of work going

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on. You've been doing a lot of
work, and we need to get an

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update on on on the latest
developments, but I feel somehow

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it's connected to Stephen B. who
posted yesterday. Yep. I'm just

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waiting for Adam to publish. No
agenda before I refresh the

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code. And then I'm talking about
the Kiro caster RSS generator.

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Also known as the the genie. The
genie the genie do blaster. Yep.

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And I'm refreshing the code
right now and I see we have a

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new category to fill out called
Social Media Yep, so I saw in my

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feed today if I knew what I was
doing, and if it made any sense,

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I could add the following tags
interaction link platform

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Platform account ID podcast URL
for this platform priority and

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interaction publication date.
Okay. That's for this episode.

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You can do this for the podcast,
I think his platform Platform

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account ID platform, a podcast
URL for this platform and

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priority. Let me pull up the
namespace. I have no idea what I

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mean. I know what it's for. I
think it doesn't matter. I want

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to fill it out. I'm excited. I
want it. I want to,

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you know, Tom Rossi's role if
you put a textbox somewhere, you

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got to put some in. Yes, of
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I can't have empty text boxes.

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Let me see. Let me I'm trying to
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now this is for comments.

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So sure. Yeah, yes. So well,
it's that that was a little bit

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of the confusion. Is that where
where's the social transcript

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value proposal and Docs, it may
still be on Benjamin Bellamy's.

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It's not even a thing yet. Word.
We're jumping. Jumping back.

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Okay, that means a professor
proposal

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proposal. I'm good, good, good.

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So Well, that was the that was
the a little bit of confusion

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there this week was that so
binge, you know, Benjamin over,

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cast upon deck gastropod. He had
created a test sort of a test

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with his own one of his own
personal podcasts. And he had

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put in the cross app commenting
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Let's see. And it started
working for Martin's special pod

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friend test. Yeah, they

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did sort of a, you know, a round
robin. Yeah. Little thing

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between the two of them. Yeah.
In what what he that the the

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spec for the tag in to fill
everybody in? The more time that

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that the what we're talking
about is cross app comments. And

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so you can create. Let me just
back up now. I'll just leave,

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roll this from the back. Okay.
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right. So great way for me to
intro sorry, I failed, let's

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just realize that some people
have no clue what we're talking

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about. It's this, the idea is
that there will be what we're

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what we're targeting is the
ability for the comments that go

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along with a podcast episode to
live with the podcaster or

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something that's under their
control, rather than being

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delegated to a third party
social media site. So instead of

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instead of saying, Here's my,
here's my podcast episode, I

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just published it. And you post
that to Facebook, or Twitter,

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and you have a bunch of replies
there. This is you have a social

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network that is activity pub
compliant activity pub being the

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spec we're using. So

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in essence, if you're using
activity pub and how a podcaster

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uses that will get to you have
your own little social use it to

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a degree have your own little
social network mechanism just

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for that podcast.

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Yeah. Yeah. So like if you are
on let's say that your that you

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run a mastodon instance, that
you you run your own Mastodon,

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you could post on that Mastodon,
and then link to the post and

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within your episode using this
tag, and then when people reply,

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they would be replying to that
to that post on either either

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their own Mastodon or another
mass or another activity pub

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compliant like Pleroma, or
something like that. Or they

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could set up an account on your
system and reply there. Got it.

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So no matter what the replies
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the moderation of all the
commenting is under your

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control. Right? Then one in the
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the decentralized, keep control
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big ones. But the other big
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open. It's an open spec. So
meaning in this context that

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when you reveal where that post
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with an activity pub in point,
everybody else can see it,

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meaning everybody else meaning
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that and they can show the post.
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If if, if we post this tag with
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sort of the root comment or the
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index dot social, then that will
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can see that endpoint. And they
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ones that are marked public. So
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to see that, here's the, here's
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mastodon, or wherever this thing
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be podcast index dot social,
they'd be able to see that URI,

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and then they would know how to
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they can also add comments to
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Right? And, and so I'm, I'm
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everybody adhering to the, to
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hey, if there's an
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And we have an implementation. I
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for other things. There's matrix
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breeze. But now this we have a,
an end to end we are at least

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partial partial completion of a
full proof of concept.

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Yeah. And so that only see, then
they have found it here. Yes. So

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that's the in this goes back to
this age old thing that we've

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been talking about, and and
going back and forth about which

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is the difference between
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they're not, they're
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fundamentally different in the
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different. Is this. So Steven?
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Mr. Steven Pete, Steven B, put
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idea that I should fill it out.
And something should work for

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this episode, or my are we on
the gun here? No, no,

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no, this No, that's right. So
the idea here would be that we

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would put in the relevant links
linkage linkage here in this

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tag. So that this would go live
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of a a test. Okay, so it's a bit
it's a beta,

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so. Okay, James Cridland. So
when we publish this today,

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it'll have this information
filled out, it'll be in the

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feed. It should, okay, I have no
idea what to put in their

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platform. I'll just put platform
let me see Facebook, for the

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love of God.

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If I guess on a spec, I would
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account ID

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I don't know. Let's just do Adam
curry QA.

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Let's see. So that's one of the
things that messed this up from

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a while ago. Was that okay,
circling back back to the

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beginning of this conversation
was that when Benjamin put in

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these tags, he put them he put
them in as sort of the old

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original tag that we had
developed, which was podcast in

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the namespace, which was podcast
colon comments. That, but that

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was changed to podcast colon
social. And so he just put it in

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there because I think it because
it was simpler. And we didn't

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have a fully fleshed out social
spec at the time. Okay. But this

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is something that we can then
build on from here that we can

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lock this in. If it works. Yeah.

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Yes, a podcast social is the way
to actual is the proper way to

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do it. And we that'll that'll be
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what, that's what Stephen put
in. Got it. Yeah. And so that it

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was a little confusing, because
the tags didn't match. But we're

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do the yes, we'll do that. And
then, I mean, it'll be fairly

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uneventful to start with,
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it'll only kind of show up on
the on podcast, index, social

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where people can interact there,
but it won't really it just look

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like a mastodon thread.

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Yeah. So that's that that's what
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that surfaced in the app.

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Eventually, this, this will,
this will be there. And it will

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exist. So that people developers
can can write code against it

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and see what it looks like in
their apps. Yeah,

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right now we're broadcasting and
we got no radios.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, all right. Cool. I love
that.

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So I mean, we'll give it a shot.
I mean, this May. Yeah. Just

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made totally fail. But I mean,
we'll, we'll talk

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about how cool is it to be able
to test this on the fly.

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Yeah, and like the point with
these things that I think you

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have just got to go. You gotta
go Yeah. So one thing that

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brought this to me to brought
this to the point with me was

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that Daniel J. Lewis spoke up on
the on the mastodon and said,

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Well, you know, Hey, why are we
pushing live so hard? When cross

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app comments seems to be what
more people want, and I agree

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and disagree at the same time, a
point of personal privilege.

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Yes. recognized

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the way he actually said it was.
Paul made that decision.

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Yes. Yes, that is the exact

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voice that I know I'm

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because I said hey, he said, Hey
Siri dictate this.

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It's so it's actually very
always jarring to me when I hear

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him and hear his real voice like
God, that's not the voice I have

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in my head when I see him pose.
But yeah, of course, he made a

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good point. And

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we died and put you in charge.
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that's pretty much what I read.
Yeah.

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Yeah, so we I was like, Well,
you know, I agree and disagree.

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But, but why? So I laid out all
the reasons why, why I

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disagreed. But then at the end,
but did you

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do a SWOT analysis? What a SWOT
analysis?

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What is that? Oh, you've

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never done that where you draw
like a cross. And you do. Top

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Top Left is s, top right is W,
top, bottom left is O. And

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bottom right is T and as you
write down your despod analysis

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is gosh, I forgot the acronym is
your strengths, weakness, a

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SWOT, I'm sorry, strengths,
weaknesses, opportunities and

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threats. And then somehow you
have that box there and you and

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you get a B, A B plus. Oh, I've
never actually done it in any

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business making decisions.
That's what you were taught.

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Is this like the the Dwight
Eisenhower quadrant list or

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what? You know that one, where
it's like, stuff this important,

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but not an emergency stuff? This
an emergency? Oh, you mean,

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like GTD get things done? Yeah,
yeah. Well, it's very, it's

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taught in like early, early
business school classes like

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strength, weakness, opportunity
and threats. This is how you

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determine if you should go down
this path.

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So that that's what you pay.
That's what you pay. $80,000 for

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MBA? Yeah, exactly. I guess.
Yeah. But now as I was like,

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Well, you know that? Oh, I found
it. Hallelujah. I finally found

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i You found the the spec, but
the spec. Yes. So and we can we

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can look at this. But yeah, I
was like, you know, that my own

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quirk is that I like to bring
things up to a certain level of,

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of usability or, or I
conceptual, whatever,

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conceptuality. If that's a word,
rather than just having them be

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just words on a piece of paper.
So I hate having this thing that

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like this really cool idea of
live out here, just sitting

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there just being some words, and
not actually having anything

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fleshed out of it at all. I
wanted to bring it up to sort of

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a minimum conceptual quality
before moving on to before

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slipping back to comments,
because comments had already

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come so far that I knew we could
kind of push it over the finish

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line, quote, unquote, finish
line. Oh, you know, fairly

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easily. So. But that, but that's
just a quirk on my account. And

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he's right, ultimately, that
cross app comments does benefit

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more people and is probably the
bigger one that everybody wants.

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So I'm like, Well, you know,
let's just me let's let's, let's

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focus on that a bit. Let's try
to let's try to get this thing

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done.

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There's your answer. Daniel J.
Somebody died and made Dave

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King.

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Yeah, yeah, over.

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Here we are. And here we are
doing cross comments. Perfect.

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I'm happy with all of it.

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Yeah, so the the social spec
defines a few tags, few sort of

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sub tags as well. And the, the
main root element there, the pod

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is podcast, colon social. And,
oh, I'll just read it. It says

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this element allows a podcaster
to specify one or many platforms

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where listeners can interact.
There may be several occurrences

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of this tag for the same element
on several platforms. So you can

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have you know, you publish your
episode. And within that

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episode, that item tag as a sub
tag, you have podcast podcasts

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social, you can have multiple so
you can have a podcast social

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pointing to Facebook, when to
Twitter Oh, really want? Yes,

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yeah. And it'll create a post.

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Well, the idea would be that you
create the post first and then

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link it over here. I see. Okay,
but then, you know, but the

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platform itself should help you
do that. Yeah, got it. Yeah, we

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like registering an app or
whatever. Yeah, exactly. And

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then, so you can have multiples
and one of the attributes in

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this tag is platform. So you'd
have podcast, colon social

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platform equals. And in this
case for us for this test would

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be activity pub. Platform equals
activity pub, all lowercase.

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Yes, so there'd be a slug list
for this holds the different the

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different wiring bubbles. Yeah,
and like one of them is, is

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jabber in this in this
preliminary spec, and we need to

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change that to x and PP. Um, so
then that's, that's sort of the

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root of the root tag. And then
you have a sub tag underneath

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that this podcast colon social
sign up. Yeah, this element

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allows, allows to make easy
onboarding for listeners on

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social discussion platforms,
especially for decentralized

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ones such as matrix or activity
pub. So you have a home URL

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property a signup URL. So that
would allow people to point you

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can appoint a user to where they
need to go to create an account

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in order to leave a comment.

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Okay, cool. Yeah, that's that's
included in curio casters, Jenny

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as well, I see.

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Okay, and the final sub element
here is social interact. So

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podcast, Colin's social
interact, says this element

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allows listeners to interact
with an episode. In then is, so

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you have a property in there for
platform again, podcast account

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ID, the podcast ID on this
platform, update priority and

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elements content. So that is
see. Let me look at the go and

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look at this attribute. So
social media, social, social

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activity, and social interact.
I'm sorry. That looks it looks

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like that's a way to pull
actually pull in content. But I

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don't know how to get out to
check with Benjamin to see why

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that's necessary.

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Okay. Now, this is exciting. So
this this shit might actually

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work?

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Yeah, it's possible. It was.

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I love it. This is great, man.
This is great.

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Oh, wait, you're asking, What
are you doing this, the the pot

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this the Interact is where you
is the point is the actual

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pointer. Okay, that's what we
need, we need, what we need is,

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let's talk we're gonna need all
of these, the the social route,

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sort of top level parent element
holds the actual, it just sets

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up a context in which you're
going to point for a sign up and

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an interaction. Okay, those two
things being the ones we need.

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So I don't know. I mean, we'll
try it.

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My head hurts just a little bit.
I have just a little bit of

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twinge on the left hand left
temple.

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So my biggest my biggest
question with this is, I'm not

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sure. Where to, like, I'm not
sure where to point the NT

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social interact. At, I'm not
sure what URL to use a think

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that I can pull this status, or
the I think I can just pull the

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status URL for the route post.
And then we put that in there.

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And then that gives gives it
what it needs. But I can't tell

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from his example because they
rolled their own activity pub

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into cast upon, right. So I'm
not sure how that's going to,

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of course, is French they always
have to do something weird. Have

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you ever driven a French car?

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I've seen the ones that are like
they have like three wheels or

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some?

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Oh, yes. Well, I know a bit. The
Citroen Davao?

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Oh, you said you used to have
one of

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00:28:51,030 --> 00:28:53,550
the I did. We've talked about
that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

439
00:28:53,670 --> 00:29:00,030
Yeah. Yeah, they do everything
weird to three speed with a, a

440
00:29:00,030 --> 00:29:03,210
rod through the dashboard that
actually, you know, was

441
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,150
mechanically connected to the
gearshift on the engine.

442
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,600
That's essentially what this is.
Yeah, that's what it feels like.

443
00:29:11,460 --> 00:29:13,890
Okay, well, what's your

444
00:29:13,890 --> 00:29:14,820
eyes? Try it and see if it
works.

445
00:29:14,850 --> 00:29:18,390
Of course. Of course. I'm
excited. This is very cool. All

446
00:29:18,390 --> 00:29:18,570
right. I

447
00:29:18,570 --> 00:29:23,490
fully expect. I expect this.
Steven Bay will probably have

448
00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:26,700
comments showing, of course, the
end of the day.

449
00:29:26,730 --> 00:29:29,460
Yeah, but he's already got it
all baked in. No doubt. He's

450
00:29:29,460 --> 00:29:34,950
just like, oh, big reveal. That
works. Okay. Excellent. Well,

451
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:38,070
you know, since since we're
talking about namespace, and if

452
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:41,790
you want to if anyone wants to
learn more about the cross

453
00:29:41,790 --> 00:29:49,380
comments, certainly. Benjamin
Bellamy, the CEO of doula. Yeah,

454
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,090
I don't think that's how you
pronounce that's how

455
00:29:51,090 --> 00:29:55,920
I pronounce it. That's the the
company that is developing Casta

456
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,390
pod. He was on pod land. Very
good. Very good interview. That

457
00:30:00,390 --> 00:30:03,420
was a great interview, and I
want to play a clip from it.

458
00:30:03,420 --> 00:30:07,710
Because what I like the most is
something that is something

459
00:30:07,710 --> 00:30:12,390
I've, I always feel, and I want
people to recognize it. Because

460
00:30:12,390 --> 00:30:15,690
you know, we're such a we have
such a culture in general of

461
00:30:15,780 --> 00:30:18,750
instant gratification, you know,
it's like, is it working yet?

462
00:30:19,050 --> 00:30:24,840
And no, just this is a lot of
enthusiasm, a lot of energy, but

463
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:29,490
things do take time. And
podcasting 1.0 It was just kind

464
00:30:29,490 --> 00:30:32,310
of taking off, when we got
Twitter, we got Facebook, we got

465
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:35,460
YouTube, YouTube was really the
one that that just did,

466
00:30:35,460 --> 00:30:39,600
podcasting was still under the
radar, growing it maybe five or

467
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:44,250
7% per year, very, very slow.
Until all of a sudden, we had

468
00:30:44,250 --> 00:30:48,000
the Serial podcast, which came
at, you know, these you can't,

469
00:30:48,510 --> 00:30:51,600
you can't engineer these types
of things. But there will be a

470
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:56,340
serial of podcasting 2.0 And it
may not be a podcast, but there

471
00:30:56,370 --> 00:31:00,450
there will be a moment when
things take off. And it was fun

472
00:31:00,450 --> 00:31:08,310
to hear. Sam, you know,
basically saying, hey, you know,

473
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:10,200
do you think any of this is ever
going to work? I mean, it's

474
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,680
taken forever? I'm paraphrasing.
Luckily, I put this question.

475
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:14,760
There, we

476
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:20,700
have 10 Very quick new tags for
helping with discoverability.

477
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,360
The problem, I guess, right now,
Benjamin is that most people,

478
00:31:24,570 --> 00:31:28,350
and most clients aren't
supporting all 10, or even half

479
00:31:28,350 --> 00:31:34,440
of these. So how do we get the
industry to embrace more of

480
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,680
these tanks? I have to say, I
totally disagree with you on

481
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:43,830
that one. Because a year ago,
none of that existed, none.

482
00:31:43,980 --> 00:31:50,370
There was no tag, no hosting
company, no player. It's been

483
00:31:50,370 --> 00:31:55,620
very recent. And actually, the
amount of work and the number of

484
00:31:55,620 --> 00:31:59,820
people and company who joined
the movement is astonishing. A

485
00:31:59,820 --> 00:32:04,680
year ago, we joined the movement
from not the very beginning, but

486
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:12,690
not long after. And I I wasn't
dreaming of what's the position

487
00:32:12,690 --> 00:32:17,730
that we are in today. I think
it's a tremendous move forward,

488
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:24,150
keeping the podcasting ecosystem
open. And also making it as

489
00:32:24,150 --> 00:32:30,510
pleasant for the both the
podcasters and the listeners. If

490
00:32:30,510 --> 00:32:35,550
you go to new podcast apps.com,
you will see all the platforms

491
00:32:35,550 --> 00:32:41,250
and players that are using
these. And I think that they are

492
00:32:41,250 --> 00:32:47,370
many of them. Of course, if you
are a big company, we won't

493
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:52,320
expect you to embed these new
tags that some of them are like

494
00:32:52,350 --> 00:32:58,440
two months old, and to put them
in production right away. And

495
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:03,270
maybe some of them will be
forgotten. Not all of them will

496
00:33:03,270 --> 00:33:08,340
be used. We don't know that for
now. But the what was

497
00:33:08,340 --> 00:33:11,880
accomplished here is really
encouraging.

498
00:33:12,990 --> 00:33:15,780
So I like a couple things. I
really liked that he just said

499
00:33:15,780 --> 00:33:21,210
hold on a second. Look at what
we've achieved. In Helya Alya,

500
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,990
look at what has been achieved
everybody. Pat yourself on the

501
00:33:24,990 --> 00:33:30,480
back. Yeah, totally. And second,
whenever a Frenchman talks about

502
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,550
joining a movement that shits
real. So I love that Benjamin.

503
00:33:35,550 --> 00:33:36,300
Merci beaucoup.

504
00:33:37,140 --> 00:33:42,450
Yes, that I totally agree. I
think I've been trying to come

505
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,990
we're in a phase right now. And
I don't know what phase of a

506
00:33:46,740 --> 00:33:51,240
you've got these charts out
there that show you like, you

507
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,020
know, talking about like this
acceptance curve or where you

508
00:33:55,020 --> 00:34:01,980
have invention, adoption,
acceptance, like I forgot the

509
00:34:02,190 --> 00:34:05,820
all the terms. You know what I'm
talking about? I think,

510
00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:09,690
I don't know, I know what you're
what you're talking about. I

511
00:34:09,690 --> 00:34:11,010
don't know what it's called.
Yeah.

512
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:17,520
Yeah. Whatever chart that we're
on. There's a phase where in

513
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,120
that I'm not entirely sure how
to describe it. But I know what

514
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:27,660
it is and in practice, and this
is the point where we've created

515
00:34:27,660 --> 00:34:36,720
a lot of things. And what is
going to get the adoption is not

516
00:34:39,660 --> 00:34:44,370
is not really a technical issue
anymore. Correct? Correct. It's

517
00:34:45,210 --> 00:34:50,040
this sort of the hard work phase
where a lot of the things that I

518
00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:55,050
that I do on a regular basis is
I have phone calls with people.

519
00:34:55,890 --> 00:34:59,970
I talk to podcasting hosts
hosting companies that call and

520
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,010
They did set up zoom meetings
and stuff with me. For a while

521
00:35:05,010 --> 00:35:07,890
there's a one on one a week, at
least. And

522
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,740
well, you are after all, the pod

523
00:35:10,740 --> 00:35:15,180
sage was, of course, as an
audience

524
00:35:15,210 --> 00:35:17,460
with the sage is is always
welcome.

525
00:35:17,850 --> 00:35:21,180
Yeah, they have to climb a few
1000 stairs to get here and we

526
00:35:21,180 --> 00:35:28,740
call over zoom. But they, you
know, they call in and ask about

527
00:35:28,830 --> 00:35:31,950
the tags and about what they do
and which ones they should

528
00:35:31,950 --> 00:35:36,360
prioritize and that kind of
thing. So that's really where

529
00:35:37,170 --> 00:35:40,530
were they this phase of things
is it's like, okay, you made a

530
00:35:40,530 --> 00:35:44,520
bunch of stuff. Now you got to
go and talk to a lot of people

531
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:49,860
who are busy. And they recognize
the importance of it. But they

532
00:35:49,860 --> 00:35:53,460
really need it just boiled down
and explained to them. And you

533
00:35:53,460 --> 00:35:55,800
got to go out and do some
evangelism. That's what Podcast

534
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,650
Movement was about, and all
these kinds of things. So that's

535
00:35:59,070 --> 00:36:02,310
the phase we're in right now is,
is the technical work still goes

536
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:05,970
on in the background. But we're
also in sort of a social

537
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,210
political phase where you have
to just reach out and do the

538
00:36:09,210 --> 00:36:14,160
legwork and put, put in the
handshake time to talk to people

539
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,300
and get them up to speed.

540
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:20,700
With that in mind, I'd like to
highlight for the board a

541
00:36:20,700 --> 00:36:25,170
problem that I foresee, and we
have a problem with transcripts.

542
00:36:25,350 --> 00:36:28,470
And if we don't do something
about it, we're gonna fuck it

543
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:34,200
up. Oh, well, yeah. So in
listening to a lot of the, you

544
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,010
know, like pod news and pod
land, and stuff that has been

545
00:36:38,010 --> 00:36:44,790
written, it appears that a lot
of there's a lot of companies

546
00:36:44,820 --> 00:36:48,360
and some hosting companies, I
believe, I'm not sure. But

547
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:54,690
there's a lot of work being done
by companies who are looking to

548
00:36:54,690 --> 00:37:00,840
be recommendation engines or
relevancy, or organizations

549
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:06,600
that, that find podcasts that
are valid or relevant to certain

550
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:11,490
advertisers. But I think a lot a
lot of just a couple of people

551
00:37:11,490 --> 00:37:14,910
I've been hearing about, well,
we're using transcripts to find

552
00:37:15,150 --> 00:37:18,360
relevant stuff, whether it's for
advertising, whether it's for

553
00:37:19,110 --> 00:37:22,500
recommendations, doesn't matter,
I'm fine with all of it. But

554
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:26,010
what I'm not fine with is we
have everybody doing their own

555
00:37:26,010 --> 00:37:29,940
fucking thing. It really pisses
me off. And, and it pissed me

556
00:37:29,940 --> 00:37:33,330
off the most and not I'm not in
a bad way towards towards

557
00:37:33,330 --> 00:37:37,830
fountain. But so I finally got
fountain working on my phone, it

558
00:37:37,830 --> 00:37:42,630
was DNS as usual. And, yeah,
and, and, you know, I want to I

559
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:46,110
wanted to see this really cool
clipping system. So I hit

560
00:37:46,110 --> 00:37:54,480
transcript. And, and having just
spoken to, to Oscar, I knew that

561
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:57,840
it was now being processed by
some other company. So you know,

562
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,210
I'm just seeing a spinning
wheel. I'm like, Well, this

563
00:38:00,210 --> 00:38:02,970
sucks. This could take an hour,
I know how long it takes to

564
00:38:02,970 --> 00:38:07,920
transcribe, it was no agenda,
three and a half hour show. So

565
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,590
it's gonna take forever, and it
never never showed up, you know,

566
00:38:10,590 --> 00:38:13,350
I killed the app and went back
and just never showed up. Now

567
00:38:13,350 --> 00:38:15,600
that we talked about it with
him. And he said, the reason

568
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,330
that they're they're doing their
system, which I like a lot for

569
00:38:18,330 --> 00:38:22,620
the clipping is they have per
what per word timecode, which

570
00:38:22,620 --> 00:38:25,920
enables them to basically show
you know, you just highlight the

571
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,740
words and and the system does
the rest of the clipping

572
00:38:28,770 --> 00:38:31,500
brilliant, I love it. There more
people doing it, I think it's a

573
00:38:31,500 --> 00:38:35,730
great way to do it. But instead
of them going off and doing it,

574
00:38:35,970 --> 00:38:38,970
you know, paying some company to
do it, instead of five other

575
00:38:38,970 --> 00:38:42,030
companies taking the same
fucking con, I'm sorry, I just

576
00:38:42,030 --> 00:38:46,380
got to square the same content
and making their own transcript.

577
00:38:46,410 --> 00:38:51,120
It's I hate it. It makes me mad.
And I want. So first, I think we

578
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,150
need to recognize this is
happening. And if someone is

579
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:58,410
doing that, say, why don't you
check, because we have this tag,

580
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,110
and you may not have to do the
work. Because there's a

581
00:39:01,110 --> 00:39:05,040
transcript already sitting there
ready for you. And to let's set

582
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:10,740
the standard. And if if maybe we
all agree it should be per word

583
00:39:10,980 --> 00:39:14,250
timecode. So that, you know we
can satisfy all these other

584
00:39:14,250 --> 00:39:18,300
great ideas and help people
because wood is going to be a

585
00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:22,680
nightmare with transcripts. I'm
crying.

586
00:39:26,670 --> 00:39:31,470
And I'm not I'm not as worked up
about it as you would say

587
00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:35,160
because the people who are doing
the trend, so like Oscar he

588
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:36,990
needs he needs that.

589
00:39:37,650 --> 00:39:41,880
Right? But I tell Oscar tell me
where I can get what you need.

590
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,780
And I'll just publish it that
way. Instead of him paying money

591
00:39:45,780 --> 00:39:48,930
to have that done and people
waiting around with a

592
00:39:48,930 --> 00:39:51,450
transcript. I want to provide
that to you.

593
00:39:51,870 --> 00:39:54,810
But the other the other people
who are doing that like rolling

594
00:39:54,810 --> 00:39:58,500
their own transcript engine
things. They're all the big

595
00:39:59,070 --> 00:40:01,680
hint. They're all the big ones.
that aren't going to get not

596
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,990
invented here syndrome anyway,
they're never gonna but

597
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:08,670
I Okay, that's fine, but I still
want to make the plea. Okay. I

598
00:40:08,670 --> 00:40:08,970
mean is

599
00:40:08,970 --> 00:40:16,110
that sounds like what your plea
pleading for is, is the best

600
00:40:16,140 --> 00:40:18,780
sort of the not least common
denominator, the greatest common

601
00:40:18,780 --> 00:40:23,010
denominator? If that's the right
way to say it is like, Okay, if

602
00:40:23,580 --> 00:40:26,910
whatever, whatever is the most
specific thing out there that

603
00:40:26,910 --> 00:40:30,120
someone could possibly need.
That's the thing we need to do

604
00:40:30,420 --> 00:40:33,420
in order to meet the most
people's needs across the board.

605
00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:37,770
You know, you right, I think now
that I know that I consider it.

606
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:42,210
I believe I get angry for a
different reason. I get angry

607
00:40:42,210 --> 00:40:44,820
because I hear interviews with
people who are doing things

608
00:40:44,850 --> 00:40:48,300
transcripts, and no one is
saying, Hey, did you know they

609
00:40:48,300 --> 00:40:53,310
already exist? And people who
know this, and so maybe that's

610
00:40:53,310 --> 00:40:56,070
where my frustration comes from?
It's like, oh, God, you're

611
00:40:56,070 --> 00:40:59,700
reinventing the wheel. I have a
transcript right here. You can

612
00:40:59,700 --> 00:41:01,440
ingest it. It's good to go.

613
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,100
That, that that's this, these
are,

614
00:41:05,370 --> 00:41:07,770
these aren't the big companies,
all of them that you know,

615
00:41:07,770 --> 00:41:09,150
they're doing commercial stuff.

616
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:11,910
No, yeah. No, I know what you're
saying. So they're, they're

617
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:16,110
doing commercial stuff. But I do
wonder, though, see there again.

618
00:41:17,310 --> 00:41:21,150
There's ultimately there's
ulterior motives there. And

619
00:41:21,150 --> 00:41:23,130
that's not the right way to say
there's no it's not the right

620
00:41:23,130 --> 00:41:26,850
phrase. There's, there's other
things driving that, besides

621
00:41:26,850 --> 00:41:30,390
expediency. So for Okay, here's
a good example for one pod

622
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:39,570
chaser. purchaser, we create the
people tag, we created it, it

623
00:41:39,570 --> 00:41:44,430
meets exactly the needs that
they that they have. They are a

624
00:41:44,430 --> 00:41:47,340
people discovery attribution
engine.

625
00:41:48,930 --> 00:41:51,180
Okay, so they have their own
their own thing.

626
00:41:51,540 --> 00:41:54,210
Well, they don't, they don't
ingest the people tech, enough

627
00:41:54,210 --> 00:41:57,270
to have asked their this give me
the person tag I've asked about

628
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:59,310
I talked to him at Podcast
Movement and that kind of thing.

629
00:41:59,790 --> 00:42:03,000
And, I mean, they know about it,
they were they were there and

630
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,230
helped create it. I mean, they
were part of the creation of the

631
00:42:07,230 --> 00:42:10,020
person tech. But they don't use
it.

632
00:42:11,340 --> 00:42:14,460
Is there any technical reason
why they wouldn't use that?

633
00:42:15,330 --> 00:42:17,430
Well, they don't, you know, they
don't create, they would just be

634
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:20,040
an ingestion point. So they
don't ingest it. And that's what

635
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,470
I was talking to Cole about. I
was like, Well, you know, this

636
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:25,770
is perfect for you to take. And
he said, Well, you know,

637
00:42:25,770 --> 00:42:29,730
ultimately we would have, we're
gonna have to vet it any way. So

638
00:42:29,730 --> 00:42:32,880
we're gonna have to go through
there and make sure that it's

639
00:42:33,210 --> 00:42:37,950
okay to put it all through our
Mechanical Turk. Anyway, to make

640
00:42:37,950 --> 00:42:41,400
sure that is legit. And it is
formatted the way we want it and

641
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,130
all this kind of stuff, and
match it up with everybody else.

642
00:42:44,310 --> 00:42:46,890
Because if it's free form, and
somebody puts in a you know,

643
00:42:46,890 --> 00:42:49,470
Adam curry, is that the same as
Adam see curry and all this kind

644
00:42:49,470 --> 00:42:52,560
of stuff? Well, you know, okay,
well, that's fine. I mean, they

645
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:57,060
get they've got a feel like even
the small players have these

646
00:42:57,060 --> 00:43:02,160
motors, a lot of it driven by,
let's just say the pressures of

647
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:07,680
VC money to show that they're,
you know, building all these

648
00:43:07,980 --> 00:43:13,380
cool new things. I don't know, I
think I think it's not all just,

649
00:43:14,340 --> 00:43:19,110
that's not exactly how it works.
Having spent raised and spent VC

650
00:43:19,110 --> 00:43:22,860
money. That's not that's not
really true. I feel pressure to

651
00:43:22,860 --> 00:43:27,660
show all these cool new things
now. They don't no, no, no,

652
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:32,070
there's pressure, but it's very,
it's it's not like that. Okay,

653
00:43:32,190 --> 00:43:37,890
it's ignorance. It's ignorance,
and it's rude. So I can do

654
00:43:41,250 --> 00:43:44,520
this condemned, I mean, I, I'm
always gonna back you up with

655
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,810
condemnation. I know. I know. I
know.

656
00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:49,770
I know, your appreciate

657
00:43:49,770 --> 00:43:52,710
every you just condemned I
condemn it. I condemn it. Good.

658
00:43:55,200 --> 00:44:00,030
Okay, well, anyway, I certainly
would like to have fountain be a

659
00:44:00,030 --> 00:44:04,200
better experience. And so if I
can, if someone could tell me a

660
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:08,610
Is there a problem if I start
doing per word time codes? Is

661
00:44:08,610 --> 00:44:12,090
that a problem for everybody
else's app? Likely? So let's get

662
00:44:12,090 --> 00:44:15,810
some feedback on that. Just the
idea of using that as a standard

663
00:44:16,260 --> 00:44:21,960
I find compelling because it
really the the clipping concept

664
00:44:22,170 --> 00:44:25,080
is dramatically improved.

665
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:29,460
I'm looking at I'm going to look
at our fader and now I wonder we

666
00:44:29,460 --> 00:44:31,950
don't have we don't have per
word is that

667
00:44:31,950 --> 00:44:34,560
right? No, no, wait, no, we
don't. We have per two

668
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:35,430
sentences.

669
00:44:35,970 --> 00:44:40,260
Well, me I think you can have
per word in the same SRT format

670
00:44:40,650 --> 00:44:41,640
that you do

671
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,500
with whatever we have now,
right? But does that mean that

672
00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:49,650
but that may mean that in pod
friend for instance, it may show

673
00:44:49,650 --> 00:44:53,520
up word for word instead of
sentence above sentence below

674
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,960
and then the next two sentences
hmm, I don't know. I'm just that

675
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:02,340
No, no, I don't think Okay, so
then I need to have a so I'm

676
00:45:02,340 --> 00:45:07,260
using otter.ai and they don't do
per word so I need someone to

677
00:45:07,260 --> 00:45:11,580
tell me where I can find out
where to do that. Yeah. Because

678
00:45:11,580 --> 00:45:15,000
it's just so much cool and you
know and Mitch may want to

679
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,110
consider that for pod verse that
idea that basic concept he's got

680
00:45:19,140 --> 00:45:22,560
the clipping system per pod
verse is phenomenal you know

681
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:27,600
we've got phone boy doing no
agenda quotes, which has been

682
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,740
doing for years and years and
years. And so now every no

683
00:45:31,740 --> 00:45:34,890
agenda quote that he that he
posts, which is typically no

684
00:45:34,890 --> 00:45:39,210
agenda, social and Twitter, and
God knows where else that also

685
00:45:39,210 --> 00:45:43,050
includes a pod verse clip, it's
dynamite. I love it.

686
00:45:44,460 --> 00:45:46,410
can look at Yeah, I'm looking at
the transcript here. It's it

687
00:45:46,410 --> 00:45:50,070
looks like it's like sentence by
sentence roughly. Yeah. Yeah,

688
00:45:50,070 --> 00:45:56,010
meme. Ish, you know? Yeah, they
look like they're in chunks.

689
00:45:56,100 --> 00:45:58,530
Anyway, tags don't get
implemented. If people don't

690
00:45:58,530 --> 00:46:00,870
remind people that they're that
they exist.

691
00:46:02,340 --> 00:46:05,850
It looks like six to six, five
or six second chunks. Okay.

692
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:11,580
Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, if if
somebody can tell us where a per

693
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,120
word thing is, I mean, we can
put that yeah, we can amend the

694
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:19,800
spec and modify it to say, you
know, hey, just a blurb like,

695
00:46:20,820 --> 00:46:24,450
recommended. it's strongly
recommended to use per word

696
00:46:24,450 --> 00:46:25,110
timestamps.

697
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:30,270
And you know, I can imagine
comic strip blogger digan per

698
00:46:30,270 --> 00:46:35,370
word, timestamps and is AI
Wookiee Wookiee stuff. Is that

699
00:46:35,370 --> 00:46:40,050
what it's called? It is Yes. You
didn't know that. That's part of

700
00:46:40,410 --> 00:46:41,790
machine learning, the wiki wiki.

701
00:46:45,780 --> 00:46:49,590
You know, I've been, I've
actually done a lot of code this

702
00:46:49,590 --> 00:46:50,160
week.

703
00:46:50,730 --> 00:46:56,820
I know. We haven't, we haven't
been cuddling as much as usual.

704
00:46:59,820 --> 00:47:07,110
No, we haven't. We need we need
to Netflix and chill. Yeah, so

705
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,970
the is the one thing that I've
been working on is, and this is

706
00:47:12,090 --> 00:47:18,330
sort of, sort of related to
another. Another issue is

707
00:47:18,330 --> 00:47:22,110
booster gram surfacing. This is
another

708
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:24,990
roll app. Is that what you're
going to talk about?

709
00:47:25,049 --> 00:47:28,799
Yeah, yeah. And the reason that
came to mind is that we have, it

710
00:47:28,799 --> 00:47:32,849
sort of fits this whole concept
of having being in sort of a

711
00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:36,539
phase where you just have to
push through a bunch of stuff.

712
00:47:36,989 --> 00:47:45,779
The invention phase is easy.
Yeah, and then the, but then you

713
00:47:45,779 --> 00:47:48,299
get to this next phase, where
it's like, hey, just got to do

714
00:47:48,299 --> 00:47:48,839
it all.

715
00:47:50,670 --> 00:47:53,340
This, by the way, is where most
commercial businesses fail

716
00:47:53,370 --> 00:47:55,650
implementation execution. Yeah,

717
00:47:55,950 --> 00:48:04,500
totally agree. Yeah. And so the
booster gram stuff we got, you

718
00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:06,780
know, they're started, the
issues are starting to surface

719
00:48:06,780 --> 00:48:09,810
like, where do I find these
things? Well, if you're on

720
00:48:09,810 --> 00:48:14,760
Satoshi stream, it'll pump them
out for you. But what if you're

721
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,900
not on Satoshi stream? What if
you're on your own node? And you

722
00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:23,520
would think in the logic of open
source tech, that we have your

723
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:28,170
own note, it would be easier to
see these things. But that's not

724
00:48:28,170 --> 00:48:34,080
the case here is actually way,
way harder. It's hidden deep

725
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,220
within the system. Well, you'd

726
00:48:35,220 --> 00:48:39,300
also think that of the many
different node management tools

727
00:48:39,300 --> 00:48:42,720
that exist, some of which are
quite popular, that and I know,

728
00:48:42,780 --> 00:48:47,040
there's rumors that thunder hub
might be incorporating this. But

729
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:51,450
Hello, it's such an obvious
audience. Ready for your

730
00:48:51,450 --> 00:48:52,140
product?

731
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:57,240
Yeah, I mean, you, you would
think that would be sort of

732
00:48:57,270 --> 00:49:01,680
higher on the priority list. But
so I mean, bottom line is we

733
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,680
need to start surfacing these
things. And John cheese, you

734
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,620
wrote some code. I've written
some code. Alice Gates has

735
00:49:07,620 --> 00:49:13,320
written some code. None. None of
it is anything what you would

736
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:18,360
call easy. It's at all requires
just some pre existing

737
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,040
familiarity with how all of this
work.

738
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:23,279
You got to bake macaroons. Yeah.

739
00:49:23,700 --> 00:49:27,060
And, and you got to get you got
to ssh in and you got it. You

740
00:49:27,060 --> 00:49:34,050
just got to get in the guts,
man. So what is a good start?

741
00:49:34,350 --> 00:49:37,740
Since a lot of people are on
Umbral is Umbral app

742
00:49:37,770 --> 00:49:40,980
Yes, I'm very excited. I have
not yet received my Umbro all in

743
00:49:40,980 --> 00:49:43,800
one box. So I'm super excited
about it because I think this

744
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,110
has a big future. What's the
lead

745
00:49:46,110 --> 00:49:49,950
time and when do you think your
30 days is 30 days? Okay. Yeah,

746
00:49:50,010 --> 00:49:51,780
you bet the pre made them. Yeah,
yes.

747
00:49:51,780 --> 00:49:54,810
Okay. Yeah. And I did that with
my raspy Blitz. You know, for

748
00:49:54,810 --> 00:49:57,930
the security consciousness, of
course not a good idea. I

749
00:49:57,930 --> 00:50:02,700
believe they include I believe
they include the chain or at

750
00:50:02,700 --> 00:50:06,570
least the recent copy of the of
the blockchain. So this so

751
00:50:06,570 --> 00:50:09,270
that's really why I think I
believe so yeah, it's like, just

752
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:16,980
give me that and I have to sink
for 18 days. But it first of

753
00:50:16,980 --> 00:50:21,720
all, the sexy looking box is
the, I've tried to install

754
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:25,620
Umbral on Linux Mint on a
laptop, which failed. And I'm

755
00:50:25,620 --> 00:50:28,500
sure that's all the Docker
stuff. So I was like I can, I'm

756
00:50:28,500 --> 00:50:31,050
gonna install ubuntu. And I know
that'll work unless it's

757
00:50:31,050 --> 00:50:34,800
screwed. I'll order that box.
But I'm very enamored very

758
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:39,900
enamored with the app, the app
concept, you know, this is so I

759
00:50:39,900 --> 00:50:42,540
mean, you're, you're bringing in
a lightning node, but you're

760
00:50:42,540 --> 00:50:45,600
sneaking in all kinds of cool
stuff that are for your home.

761
00:50:46,620 --> 00:50:50,550
Yeah, it's it sets you up to be
decentralized in like, 100

762
00:50:50,550 --> 00:50:51,540
different ways. Yeah.

763
00:50:51,570 --> 00:50:54,600
And I it's really cool. It's
very exciting. This is the kind

764
00:50:54,600 --> 00:51:00,450
of box that we always it's in a
way it's, um, next cloud. By the

765
00:51:00,450 --> 00:51:03,450
way, next cloud should have a
node built into it, you know,

766
00:51:03,450 --> 00:51:06,390
this, like, well, maybe even
cPanel? I don't know. But

767
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:09,000
there's all these different
platforms that are, you know,

768
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,580
that you can run yourself where
it makes so much sense to have

769
00:51:11,580 --> 00:51:13,620
these this type of application
built into it.

770
00:51:15,210 --> 00:51:17,400
What size drive does it come
harddrive does come with?

771
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:21,750
Either one or two terabyte?
Okay, so I got the two terabyte,

772
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:23,940
you know, planning for the
future of blockchain?

773
00:51:24,660 --> 00:51:28,200
Totally, totally. Yeah, that's
what I would get to that. You

774
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,620
never go wrong splurging on hard
drive space. It's like no, it's

775
00:51:31,620 --> 00:51:36,180
never a mistake. But the so I
started doing the basic work on

776
00:51:36,180 --> 00:51:41,070
it, the preliminary work on it,
yes, yesterday. And before I

777
00:51:41,070 --> 00:51:46,530
left, and I like it, I like the
app structure. I like the it's

778
00:51:46,530 --> 00:51:51,690
called the Umbral app framework.
And it's just essentially,

779
00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:53,970
you're creating a Docker
container with your code running

780
00:51:53,970 --> 00:51:59,280
inside of it. And you you
created according to their

781
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:04,770
guidelines, and then they have
as part of the they give you

782
00:52:04,770 --> 00:52:06,960
some examples, okay, here's what
your Docker file needs to look

783
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:12,810
like, in order to build, build
the image. And then here's what

784
00:52:12,810 --> 00:52:18,570
your Docker config needs to be
your Yamo file. And within the,

785
00:52:19,830 --> 00:52:24,090
within that Yamo file, you can
say, Okay, I want to expose

786
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,540
these things to my Docker
container. And it has a whole

787
00:52:27,540 --> 00:52:30,900
list of commented out things and
you uncomment out the

788
00:52:30,900 --> 00:52:33,570
environment variables that you
want to pet sort of pass through

789
00:52:33,570 --> 00:52:35,190
to your container. That's

790
00:52:35,819 --> 00:52:38,849
just like a template that you
can you just get you put in

791
00:52:38,849 --> 00:52:40,469
there and just uncomment
whatever you want.

792
00:52:41,100 --> 00:52:44,040
Yeah, and so you say, Okay,
here's my code is gonna run on a

793
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,300
container will run on this port,
it'll listen on this port. And

794
00:52:48,330 --> 00:52:52,470
it's going to have this name in
the in the embroil app registry.

795
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:54,330
And it's going to

796
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,670
oh, man, this thing should have
an activity pub.

797
00:52:57,810 --> 00:53:00,660
Well, I mean, that could be
another thing. Yeah. Yeah,

798
00:53:00,660 --> 00:53:03,960
totally. You could run a little
activity pub, you know, server

799
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,860
on there to handle comments. But
I mean, like it, the structure

800
00:53:07,860 --> 00:53:11,190
of it is really cool. And you
say, Okay, well, my, my app is

801
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:15,360
going to need to talk to the, to
the to lnd. So you uncomment out

802
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:21,180
the lnd environment variables,
so that your app can see where

803
00:53:21,180 --> 00:53:25,650
lnd is, or, well, my app needs
to talk to the Bitcoin Core

804
00:53:25,650 --> 00:53:29,820
node. So you uncomment those and
it's and then it passes through

805
00:53:29,820 --> 00:53:32,430
okay, here's the here's the
locate, here's the port that

806
00:53:32,460 --> 00:53:37,200
Bitcoin D is running on, here's
the path it's located at. And so

807
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,840
your app gets all the exposure
to that

808
00:53:41,100 --> 00:53:45,300
you know, all of this stuff that
we're doing the it's also so

809
00:53:45,300 --> 00:53:50,280
advanced, so sophisticated, so
good. And because it's not DC

810
00:53:50,310 --> 00:53:55,980
it's not centralized by nature.
Which is what in two generations

811
00:53:55,980 --> 00:53:59,640
have grown up on that you know,
I just see it over and over

812
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:04,200
again it's like oh, well you
know, it's there's workers SSH,

813
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:08,910
erasure all this stuff that has
to be done. We just people just

814
00:54:08,910 --> 00:54:13,800
gonna have to learn seriously
and and, and I think the world

815
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,500
in general is going to be happy
learning about a lot of new

816
00:54:16,500 --> 00:54:19,200
stuff because the way I see it,
you know, you're gonna have to

817
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:23,520
learn to bake bread again. Cuz
ain't gonna be no bread this

818
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,030
winter. No, there's no bread in
things. I mean, it's gonna be

819
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:29,850
weird things not everything.
Hey, you know what your kid's

820
00:54:29,850 --> 00:54:31,980
gonna have to go into cloth
diaper and guess what you're

821
00:54:31,980 --> 00:54:34,560
gonna have to learn how to wash
it. Oh, and guess what? You're

822
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:39,390
not going to have detergent. So
all we're going to have to learn

823
00:54:39,390 --> 00:54:43,380
things again I think that we
should admit I'm saying I think

824
00:54:43,380 --> 00:54:47,130
it's but we shouldn't be too
hung up on how much how

825
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,730
difficult it is because I
remember how people would twist

826
00:54:50,730 --> 00:54:56,490
themselves in knots just to get
their mp3 file on their God on

827
00:54:56,490 --> 00:55:00,000
their early and you know like
that whether the reo early mp3

828
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:07,560
whatever you hear, or how
podcasters I mean, we still 18

829
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:12,150
years. Do we have an all in one
podcast box that actually does

830
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:16,890
it all? No, not really. But man,
people were doing all kinds of

831
00:55:16,890 --> 00:55:20,880
stuff for over a decade. How do
I get this to work? How do I

832
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,520
make a sound? And somehow they
figured it out?

833
00:55:25,050 --> 00:55:28,830
Yeah. And if you if I can see
the things, something like a

834
00:55:28,830 --> 00:55:32,520
Umbral becoming the all in one
podcast or box,

835
00:55:32,580 --> 00:55:36,150
I think it's it's a media box.
It's much more than it should

836
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:38,940
have it. Why? You know,
depending on the size of your, I

837
00:55:38,940 --> 00:55:42,540
mean, yes, I totally agree.
That's why I love the sexiness

838
00:55:42,540 --> 00:55:45,870
of their of their of the device.
You know, that is something

839
00:55:45,870 --> 00:55:50,010
people will be man, it took me
half a day to set up the stupid

840
00:55:50,010 --> 00:55:55,140
vacuum cleaner. Seriously,
there's all kinds of crap that

841
00:55:55,140 --> 00:55:55,920
goes wrong.

842
00:55:57,390 --> 00:56:01,320
Oh, that's, that's, that's my
issue is that we act like

843
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,750
everything else is easy. Oh,
God, hell

844
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:03,990
no. It's

845
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:05,160
just hard in a different way.

846
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:09,240
Hell no. Yeah, every single
thing that we've installed has

847
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:12,180
had some kind of issue is always
a problem. It's just what

848
00:56:13,230 --> 00:56:17,760
can't you see an umbrella that
has, its at the base that's at

849
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,930
its base, it's a node, then you
have a set of apps on there that

850
00:56:21,930 --> 00:56:26,130
you can install, where we throw
on a histogram app, we throw on

851
00:56:26,130 --> 00:56:29,670
a freedom controller to get your
show notes. You throw on?

852
00:56:30,990 --> 00:56:32,790
Listen, listen, this is an
activity

853
00:56:33,150 --> 00:56:36,660
bigger than that. And and for
the home, you throw on Mycroft

854
00:56:36,660 --> 00:56:40,290
so you got your own version of
Alexa. Seriously? All of this

855
00:56:40,290 --> 00:56:43,920
stuff? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Hell
yeah. Maybe even next cloud? I

856
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,760
don't know if I'm, kind of go
back and forth on that. But, you

857
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,810
know, I use next cloud and to my
God, it's a revolution,

858
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,200
or an ice cast server for a lot.
icecast server? Yep.

859
00:56:55,260 --> 00:56:58,980
I IPFS. I mean, there's all
kinds of stuff. And I see it

860
00:56:58,980 --> 00:57:01,950
more and more people send me a
link. I was my next cloud. Okay.

861
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:07,350
for file sharing, it's got a
chat, although there's plenty of

862
00:57:07,350 --> 00:57:09,990
other chat. And in a way, you
have to be careful of that. But

863
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:12,150
I like this so much more.
Because, you know, we've been

864
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:15,300
looking at, everyone's been
talking about Facebook and on

865
00:57:15,300 --> 00:57:18,450
Facebook was like Oscar said,
you know, Facebook wants to be

866
00:57:18,450 --> 00:57:21,870
the internet. No, hey, don't
worry about it. We got we got

867
00:57:21,870 --> 00:57:25,200
social networking, we got
newsletters, we got video, we

868
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,620
got news groups, we got news, we
got you know, all this stuff.

869
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,850
And you're never going to get
the best of breed. You can buy

870
00:57:32,850 --> 00:57:35,550
some of the best of breed, but
you can't buy all the best

871
00:57:35,550 --> 00:57:39,150
forever. To Umbral is kind of
like, I hate to say it, but like

872
00:57:39,150 --> 00:57:42,810
a Facebook type of device. But
you can choose which things you

873
00:57:42,810 --> 00:57:45,870
like, you know, eventually your
mail server, you might want to

874
00:57:45,870 --> 00:57:47,760
have it on there, all these
different things.

875
00:57:48,450 --> 00:57:51,540
That's what people like about
things like the Synology box is

876
00:57:51,540 --> 00:57:53,580
that they can put on and off
whatever they want. Yeah, and

877
00:57:53,580 --> 00:57:58,950
just enable B, I think, I think
John John, is he's a big fan of

878
00:57:58,950 --> 00:58:01,140
the Synology. I think you should
get John, if you're listening, I

879
00:58:01,140 --> 00:58:03,300
think you should get an umbrella
because you would you would dig

880
00:58:03,420 --> 00:58:07,950
this so much. I think all the
this stuff gets driven from

881
00:58:07,950 --> 00:58:13,050
techy people. That's where all
this stuff gets born at. So, you

882
00:58:13,050 --> 00:58:16,500
know, as long as, as long as you
have people out there that know

883
00:58:16,500 --> 00:58:18,090
what they're doing, they can
evangelize, they will

884
00:58:18,089 --> 00:58:24,329
check, we'll check it out. Brett
Weinstein had built a Raspberry

885
00:58:24,329 --> 00:58:27,359
Pi node, he's a bit nerdy, and
you know, most Professor types,

886
00:58:27,359 --> 00:58:31,229
you know, they all they all have
to do Unix pretty quickly. And

887
00:58:31,229 --> 00:58:34,829
they have to be able to do some
some basic level programming,

888
00:58:34,859 --> 00:58:38,699
and it's seen a million times.
So he put together and Umbral to

889
00:58:38,699 --> 00:58:43,589
Fortran. I don't think he's
maybe he's old enough. So he put

890
00:58:43,589 --> 00:58:46,019
together an Umbral on a
Raspberry Pi. And he had a

891
00:58:46,019 --> 00:58:48,239
really cool enclosure, and he
kind of looked at as an art

892
00:58:48,239 --> 00:58:51,359
piece. And what he liked about
it is that he had a Bitcoin

893
00:58:51,359 --> 00:58:55,289
wallet, so he could exchange and
store Bitcoin. He didn't even

894
00:58:55,289 --> 00:58:56,609
know what lightning was.

895
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,830
That is hilarious. I said, dude,

896
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,250
click on this. Oh, okay. I see
this app. Oh, that's

897
00:59:02,250 --> 00:59:07,200
interesting. I should not watch
I boost him. No, I see Satoshis

898
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,890
coming in, how does how does
that work? So so when you can

899
00:59:10,890 --> 00:59:13,050
have that's what an app store
does, you know, it's like, oh,

900
00:59:13,050 --> 00:59:15,690
well just install this by
clickety click, and then

901
00:59:15,690 --> 00:59:18,750
installed and then then over the
phone, and I was actually

902
00:59:18,750 --> 00:59:23,400
texting didn't even speak with
him. And maybe one screenshot to

903
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,130
show him where I thought button
would be located. And that was

904
00:59:26,130 --> 00:59:29,160
it. And he didn't even know that
this capability was in the box

905
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:30,990
that he that he had in his home
already.

906
00:59:32,190 --> 00:59:35,940
That that just cracks me up that
he already was ready to go with

907
00:59:35,940 --> 00:59:38,610
pod with podcasting. People know
and didn't even know didn't even

908
00:59:38,610 --> 00:59:42,480
know it. Yeah, he accidentally
became value for value of

909
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:43,440
compliant. Yes,

910
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:47,220
he stumbled into value for
value. He did. I don't I still

911
00:59:47,220 --> 00:59:49,140
don't think he actually
understands or knows but he just

912
00:59:49,140 --> 00:59:52,830
sees the Satoshis is good. So
that's fine. And speaking of

913
00:59:52,830 --> 00:59:58,560
which, I realized today
everybody who was doing value

914
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:02,730
for value, you got to admit,
certainly with booster grams.

915
01:00:03,210 --> 01:00:07,770
Has there ever been a more fun
way to monetize your podcast?

916
01:00:07,980 --> 01:00:11,580
Yeah, I was listening to pod
land yesterday and they with the

917
01:00:11,580 --> 01:00:14,100
comments and everything. They're
just cracking up. It's just fun.

918
01:00:14,130 --> 01:00:14,820
It's fun,

919
01:00:14,970 --> 01:00:17,640
and you're monetizing it the
same if you just want to use

920
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:21,540
that dirty word. Yeah, but you
know, sometimes you just have to

921
01:00:21,540 --> 01:00:24,420
say hold on a second. You know,
this is working with it. And

922
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,270
what do we talk about the last
episode a million Satoshis a day

923
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:33,210
running through the through
podcasting. 2.0 Wow, wow.

924
01:00:34,620 --> 01:00:39,450
That's the oh, I've got I've got
a jingle candidate. I've got a

925
01:00:39,450 --> 01:00:42,990
couple of jeans. Oh, okay. Very
good. What do we have? Speaking

926
01:00:42,990 --> 01:00:46,500
of which, there's one that's
Well, there's two there's jingle

927
01:00:46,500 --> 01:00:48,660
boost and jingle Yes. Boost. You
wanna give them a shot? See what

928
01:00:48,660 --> 01:00:49,470
you like. Okay,

929
01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:58,289
let's try boost. And, yes, oops.
Oh, I like that one. Who was

930
01:00:58,289 --> 01:00:59,279
that? Rupal?

931
01:00:59,370 --> 01:01:04,140
Yes. That's, I'm not gonna
reveal where that came from.

932
01:01:04,710 --> 01:01:07,380
Because I've got more and I've
got another one I've got.

933
01:01:07,860 --> 01:01:11,730
Alright, see there's one ISO
copper boost. I'm trying to like

934
01:01:11,730 --> 01:01:14,040
copper boost while I'm getting
lunch.

935
01:01:15,330 --> 01:01:18,210
Wow, how long what TV Are you
watching

936
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,710
this this is one for okay, this
this is a little long, but this

937
01:01:25,710 --> 01:01:28,980
is a definitely something for I
think this is a no agenda. Where

938
01:01:28,980 --> 01:01:31,380
are they? Here? You can you can
get this as ISO not what I

939
01:01:31,380 --> 01:01:34,620
thought it was gonna be. What I
thought it was gonna be Oh.

940
01:01:37,860 --> 01:01:39,210
It's a little long, but it's
funny.

941
01:01:41,550 --> 01:01:45,120
Like, anyway, no, I can't reveal
my secrets. I've got my treasure

942
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:46,620
trove that I go back to all the
time.

943
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:52,050
Well, I'll put the link in the
show notes to the boost Bates,

944
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:56,940
GitHub, which has expanded quite
nicely I might add. People are

945
01:01:56,940 --> 01:01:59,820
putting their own their own
jingles in there. That's fun. I

946
01:01:59,820 --> 01:02:00,810
love it. So very cool.

947
01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:03,600
You want to thank people and
then we'll come back and do

948
01:02:04,860 --> 01:02:05,880
something else for sure.

949
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,970
Pay attention. This is how it's
done. If you want to even start

950
01:02:08,970 --> 01:02:11,850
a project like podcasting 2.0
Here's what you do you ask

951
01:02:11,850 --> 01:02:15,180
people to support you say hey,
do you like what this is? Do you

952
01:02:15,180 --> 01:02:18,240
like what we're doing? Does it
enrich your life in any way? I'm

953
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:22,710
William devayne. I buy my gold
from Rosalind capital. Sorry,

954
01:02:22,710 --> 01:02:23,700
what just happened there?

955
01:02:25,500 --> 01:02:26,670
That was really natural.

956
01:02:29,100 --> 01:02:32,640
Yes. See if you can pitch gold
you can pitch value for value is

957
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:34,200
very magnetic bracelet.

958
01:02:34,230 --> 01:02:35,100
Yes. Yes.

959
01:02:35,100 --> 01:02:41,400
Mood rings. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah,
so the the concept here is that

960
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,430
this will only work if it's a
value to anybody. And how do we

961
01:02:44,430 --> 01:02:48,300
know? Well, because you, you
return the value in a monetary

962
01:02:48,300 --> 01:02:52,020
way. By the way, it can be the
time talent or treasure. It

963
01:02:52,020 --> 01:02:54,360
doesn't have to be money all the
time. In fact, it shouldn't be

964
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:57,540
if you can complete the
trifectas even better. And that

965
01:02:57,540 --> 01:02:59,550
way we can keep the server's
running, we can have a little

966
01:02:59,550 --> 01:03:03,930
bit of growth, we can keep the
node funded. Which is really

967
01:03:03,930 --> 01:03:06,480
good. You know, we have we're on
the list. What are we in the

968
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,790
three hundreds, but we're on the
list. We're on the boss list.

969
01:03:08,910 --> 01:03:12,810
We're like 250 Oh, really? We're
up? And that's up. Right? We're

970
01:03:12,810 --> 01:03:14,220
the bullet? Yeah, we're

971
01:03:14,220 --> 01:03:15,720
like 256 I

972
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:20,130
think really? Oh, considering we
don't have the most money. We

973
01:03:20,130 --> 01:03:23,310
have maybe very little money
compared to some of these super

974
01:03:23,310 --> 01:03:23,880
nodes.

975
01:03:25,530 --> 01:03:28,770
Like buttoning labs. Terminal
web, I think is what it's

976
01:03:28,770 --> 01:03:32,100
called. Right? Yes. It's the
lightning labs terminal with.

977
01:03:33,570 --> 01:03:34,620
Let's see what we are.

978
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:37,410
Facebook is the actual terminal
web, but okay.

979
01:03:38,940 --> 01:03:46,440
Sure. Podcast index. I'm sorry.
We're fast. 20. To 50, we're

980
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:46,980
520.

981
01:03:47,010 --> 01:03:51,690
Okay, I went flat there. Oops.
All right. Well, I mean, we're

982
01:03:51,690 --> 01:03:51,930
still,

983
01:03:52,290 --> 01:03:55,980
there's like 28,000 nodes. Were
still doing pretty good.

984
01:03:56,490 --> 01:04:00,150
Yeah. And that's really for
accessibility, balance, and

985
01:04:00,150 --> 01:04:03,780
throughput. But again, we're not
we're certainly by no means the

986
01:04:03,780 --> 01:04:07,440
biggest node in the business.
What do we have like 27 million

987
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:08,310
SATs in there?

988
01:04:09,570 --> 01:04:13,890
Yes. Yeah. Close. Getting close
to 28. I think there is this.

989
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:18,210
Our centrality is 93rd
percentile. That sounds good.

990
01:04:18,330 --> 01:04:19,410
That's impressive. I don't know
what it

991
01:04:19,410 --> 01:04:23,190
means. I'll take it. Can I get I
can get that on a t shirt. Yeah.

992
01:04:23,670 --> 01:04:29,400
Good. Amen. So we gladly accept
your streaming value for value

993
01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:34,320
Satoshis or your boosts and or
booster grams, which you can do

994
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:38,580
with any of these with most of
the cool apps, new podcast apps

995
01:04:38,610 --> 01:04:42,330
calm. If you're still in the old
in the old school way, even one

996
01:04:42,330 --> 01:04:46,140
of those new apps, by the way,
you can tap on the funding icon

997
01:04:46,140 --> 01:04:49,050
which is typically a piggy bank
or a little dollar sign or maybe

998
01:04:49,050 --> 01:04:53,640
a PayPal and that'll open up our
our page for PayPal which you

999
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:56,700
can also find a podcast
index.org down at the bottom red

1000
01:04:56,700 --> 01:05:03,090
button, donate and you know
Again, just give us the value

1001
01:05:03,090 --> 01:05:05,310
that you're getting out of it.
It may be the enjoyment of

1002
01:05:05,310 --> 01:05:08,040
podcasts, you may be a podcaster
excited about what's happening.

1003
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,800
You may be a developer, you may
just be someone who likes

1004
01:05:10,830 --> 01:05:15,030
listening to a bunch of
nunchucks come up with shit. It

1005
01:05:15,030 --> 01:05:18,930
was anything that has any
entertaining value, let us know.

1006
01:05:19,410 --> 01:05:26,250
That's not to be underestimated.
I remember as a probably a 17

1007
01:05:26,250 --> 01:05:30,000
year old I would go to the
bookstore and buy Dr. Dobbs

1008
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,390
journal. You remember that? Of
course magazine. Yeah. And I

1009
01:05:33,390 --> 01:05:36,810
would buy Microsoft used to have
a magazine. It was like Visual

1010
01:05:36,810 --> 01:05:38,820
Basic, monthly or something. I

1011
01:05:38,820 --> 01:05:41,280
just used to buy books. I just
be like, oh, there's there's a

1012
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,610
new O'Reilly book. What's the
Yeah, what's the animal gonna

1013
01:05:44,610 --> 01:05:44,910
be?

1014
01:05:45,629 --> 01:05:48,209
And I would read through it
cover to cover and have

1015
01:05:48,299 --> 01:05:51,869
absolutely no idea what any of
those code examples were. I

1016
01:05:51,869 --> 01:05:54,149
didn't understand it. Didn't
come

1017
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:57,900
with a CD. now. Oh, yes. I love
the books that came with a CD

1018
01:05:57,900 --> 01:06:01,140
ROM that was so cool. With
source code. Yeah, sure.

1019
01:06:01,170 --> 01:06:02,910
Examples fun projects.

1020
01:06:03,779 --> 01:06:08,909
And yeah, we've got a drip Scott
coming in. First of all with a

1021
01:06:08,909 --> 01:06:13,229
PayPal donation of $60. And he
says, From drab, happy 60

1022
01:06:13,229 --> 01:06:14,549
episodes go podcasting.

1023
01:06:14,580 --> 01:06:16,800
Ah, thank you drip for a memory.

1024
01:06:18,420 --> 01:06:19,350
You shouldn't have

1025
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:24,030
we finally we finally fixed is
nodige I believe he's receiving

1026
01:06:24,030 --> 01:06:24,870
SATs again.

1027
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:31,140
I've got I'm trying to get I
have not switched anything I

1028
01:06:31,140 --> 01:06:34,110
think except podcasting. 2.0
calls.

1029
01:06:36,270 --> 01:06:40,560
Oh, he had a 500 Right. Okay,
okay. Okay. Okay.

1030
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:45,690
And I messaged Tim to get that
lifted. And so I haven't heard

1031
01:06:45,690 --> 01:06:48,600
back yet so I'm gonna finish
that as soon as I hear from Tim

1032
01:06:48,900 --> 01:06:52,170
okay and but I still publish the
feed with it all in there right

1033
01:06:52,170 --> 01:06:53,790
you didn't change any of that

1034
01:06:54,509 --> 01:06:57,299
yeah the Yeah, I haven't gone
back and change the older

1035
01:06:57,299 --> 01:07:00,479
episodes is what I'm is what I'm
talking about. So I'll put those

1036
01:07:00,509 --> 01:07:03,809
I'll do all that. Like I'll do
the full feed refresh with the

1037
01:07:03,809 --> 01:07:05,669
old episodes and all that stuff
as soon as I hear from

1038
01:07:05,670 --> 01:07:08,850
Tim okay, and you also have to
do it for no agenda and Mo facts

1039
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:09,570
Yeah,

1040
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:14,610
yeah, I got that. Yeah, cool.
Let's see who we got. Sir

1041
01:07:14,610 --> 01:07:19,650
Spencer. Spencer came in with
13 137 SATs that's elite boost

1042
01:07:19,650 --> 01:07:23,730
yes very elite love that.
Through curio caster and he says

1043
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:27,030
leet boost can we can make see
we can indeed make some routing

1044
01:07:27,030 --> 01:07:31,500
fees from our ring of fire.
Since we are podcasters. focused

1045
01:07:31,500 --> 01:07:35,220
more on micro payments. I
recommend we aim for zero base

1046
01:07:35,220 --> 01:07:39,000
fee and a higher relative PPM
fee to encourage incentivize

1047
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:42,210
micro payments to be routed able
Kirby and I will be discussing

1048
01:07:42,210 --> 01:07:44,820
this today on April craft thank
you for your courage

1049
01:07:44,850 --> 01:07:46,800
go very nice hold on a second

1050
01:07:50,550 --> 01:07:52,950
by going down down

1051
01:07:58,860 --> 01:08:08,790
the rate of fire podcast ring of
fire to grab like a fire 10,000

1052
01:08:08,790 --> 01:08:13,500
SATs from Abel Kirby speaking of
Wow, thanks. Nice. Through

1053
01:08:13,500 --> 01:08:16,140
period caster and he says we
picked a release date for the

1054
01:08:16,170 --> 01:08:18,660
Tablecraft album. We're watching
Christmas Eve.

1055
01:08:18,690 --> 01:08:24,270
Ah nice. Nice. Excellent. Can't
wait for that now. It'll be

1056
01:08:24,300 --> 01:08:28,650
there'll be very good they have
their their value block split

1057
01:08:28,710 --> 01:08:30,090
amongst the band members.

1058
01:08:30,810 --> 01:08:34,170
Oh yeah, that's the I like the
Christmas Eve drop too. Oh,

1059
01:08:34,170 --> 01:08:40,650
yeah. Good. Oh, yeah. 10,000
SATs from anonymous, through

1060
01:08:40,650 --> 01:08:46,380
Brees. And he she says to for
one's SATs free Hypothecation

1061
01:08:46,410 --> 01:08:51,450
the opposite of rehypothecation
in Fiat clown world. I have no

1062
01:08:51,450 --> 01:08:53,700
idea what those were what is
rehypothecation mean?

1063
01:08:53,880 --> 01:09:00,000
Oh my god. It's how you it's
rehypothecation is how

1064
01:09:00,030 --> 01:09:03,660
eventually people are able to
short Bitcoin. And how that

1065
01:09:03,660 --> 01:09:10,200
exactly works is is I can't
explain it. Okay, well stay away

1066
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:14,040
from it. What I was doing was
trying to re hypothecate You

1067
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:14,850
just walk away.

1068
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:24,240
Let's see we got BB hat. senesin
see some ducks. A duck boost. tu

1069
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:29,070
tu tu tu ne says podcasting 2.0
is connecting the social angle.

1070
01:09:30,180 --> 01:09:31,050
Alright, alright, I'm

1071
01:09:31,050 --> 01:09:35,370
sorry. I'm sorry. We are Yeah,
sorry about that. Sorry. I

1072
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,260
didn't mean to connect anything.

1073
01:09:38,100 --> 01:09:42,510
Let's see. Another anonymous
anonymous stewpot friend for 500

1074
01:09:42,510 --> 01:09:44,460
Nate says just as boost me bitch

1075
01:09:44,489 --> 01:09:47,609
okay. Oh wait there was a jingle
that said boost me bitch but it

1076
01:09:47,609 --> 01:09:50,639
wasn't very good. So I didn't
grab it but we'll do this post

1077
01:09:51,329 --> 01:09:54,059
over there. The the booster gram
date GitHub.

1078
01:09:55,950 --> 01:09:59,190
We get here anonymous through
brace for 500 SATs and it just

1079
01:09:59,190 --> 01:10:01,650
says love Wow, I love you too.

1080
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:02,760
Thank you. I mean it

1081
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:11,370
anonymous again through breeze
1000 Sassy says thanks for the

1082
01:10:11,370 --> 01:10:17,850
show. You're welcome. Boosts a
lot of 1000 said boost today

1083
01:10:19,590 --> 01:10:23,490
that oh this is from you 1000
says boosting for drip from

1084
01:10:23,490 --> 01:10:24,030
curio cash.

1085
01:10:24,210 --> 01:10:26,100
Okay, thank you Adam. Thank you.

1086
01:10:26,190 --> 01:10:27,000
Here's your cue to

1087
01:10:27,060 --> 01:10:31,710
boost. You know you want to
boost you got it

1088
01:10:32,610 --> 01:10:38,940
booster gram for 2376 SATs from
aerostatic through Fountaine he

1089
01:10:38,940 --> 01:10:45,810
says booster grants to the moon
Yes. Thank you aerostatic the

1090
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:50,640
progenitor of the word booster
grant Oh see here Kyron since

1091
01:10:50,700 --> 01:10:55,770
1901 SATs Karen down from mere
mortals through curio caster, he

1092
01:10:55,770 --> 01:10:59,580
says this is an Aussie
Commonwealth boost. Actually had

1093
01:10:59,580 --> 01:11:01,890
a strategic question for the two
of you. Okay.

1094
01:11:02,700 --> 01:11:06,690
I'm very ready for that. Okay,
it is after all, the boardroom

1095
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:09,570
we're striving we're strategy is
born.

1096
01:11:10,020 --> 01:11:12,930
It is the correct place for a
strategic question. Correct?

1097
01:11:13,500 --> 01:11:15,780
Actually had a strategic
question for the two of you. Do

1098
01:11:15,780 --> 01:11:19,830
you emphasize certain parts of
the podcasting 2.0 depending on

1099
01:11:19,830 --> 01:11:23,520
the person you're talking with?
IE, what message do you convey

1100
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:27,720
to a fellow podcaster family
member, journalist, friend, work

1101
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:32,640
colleague, etc, etc. When people
ask me what I'm up to, I want to

1102
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,940
get to the juicy meat of 2.0
without overloading them with

1103
01:11:35,940 --> 01:11:39,300
too much info, wondering what
you find works best.

1104
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:43,470
Wow, you want to kick it off?

1105
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:49,770
Yes, I do tailor them my sort of
what I target to the to the

1106
01:11:49,770 --> 01:11:53,790
audience that's I'm going to be
doing in our giving example. I'm

1107
01:11:53,790 --> 01:12:02,040
going to be doing in a workshop
for bit women in Bitcoin and

1108
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:09,660
January through a group called
dis dis femmes magazine it's

1109
01:12:09,660 --> 01:12:13,620
like a Bitcoin and female
oriented Bitcoin online

1110
01:12:13,620 --> 01:12:18,150
magazine, I think. So I talked
to the to the lady that leads it

1111
01:12:18,210 --> 01:12:22,500
like you and the other day. And
we just had sort of a

1112
01:12:22,500 --> 01:12:26,670
preliminary thing. So yeah, did
I focus I know that did is going

1113
01:12:26,670 --> 01:12:30,990
to be Bitcoin focused. And I
know that they not really gonna

1114
01:12:30,990 --> 01:12:35,400
care about something like
chapters in and we've only got

1115
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:39,210
an hour for the workshop. So
when I do the workshop, I'm

1116
01:12:39,210 --> 01:12:42,060
definitely going to be focusing
on nothing but value for value

1117
01:12:42,060 --> 01:12:45,390
and how to get in how that works
and how to get set up. And so,

1118
01:12:45,900 --> 01:12:51,090
but if I was talking to somebody
like a hosting company, I'm

1119
01:12:51,090 --> 01:12:53,490
probably not even going to bring
up value for value, because it's

1120
01:12:53,490 --> 01:12:57,600
really the focus, there's going
to be new, new, new app

1121
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:01,470
experiences, like chapters and
transcripts and such. But yeah,

1122
01:13:01,470 --> 01:13:04,680
definitely. And then there's the
question of when you're, when

1123
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:06,780
you're at Thanksgiving dinner,
and your family asked you what

1124
01:13:06,780 --> 01:13:11,970
this new side project is you're
doing. You know, you probably

1125
01:13:12,570 --> 01:13:14,790
try to hit a high level and
don't even get specific on any

1126
01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:17,520
of it. So yeah, that's I mean,
that's the that's the way I do

1127
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:18,870
it. I definitely target thing.

1128
01:13:18,990 --> 01:13:23,430
Yeah, I would agree the knowing
your audience, and what will

1129
01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:27,420
benefit the person who you're
informing. You know, if if

1130
01:13:27,420 --> 01:13:30,360
someone like you say, like, so
what do you do? This happens

1131
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:32,550
with me a lot, too. What do you
do? And with that, I'm probably

1132
01:13:32,550 --> 01:13:35,700
gonna say, I just married Tina
for money. And you know, just

1133
01:13:35,700 --> 01:13:41,160
even if that's true, yeah, well,
this is true. Yes. So there's,

1134
01:13:41,970 --> 01:13:45,090
you know, but it depends on
level of technical skill, like

1135
01:13:45,090 --> 01:13:50,310
I'm doing the the Bitcoin
sessions today at five, six

1136
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:53,490
o'clock Eastern, which is, I
think the title of this in Yeah,

1137
01:13:53,490 --> 01:13:57,630
was why why are we bullish? So
obviously, that's going to be a

1138
01:13:57,630 --> 01:14:01,290
sophisticated Bitcoin audience.
So I'll focus pretty much

1139
01:14:01,290 --> 01:14:05,430
primarily on value for value.
And value for value for me is

1140
01:14:05,430 --> 01:14:09,630
really the concept I probably
talk about most as it pertains

1141
01:14:09,630 --> 01:14:15,390
to podcasting 2.0 with most
people, but if it's purely, you

1142
01:14:15,390 --> 01:14:19,830
know, so someone who just wants
to know what's different, you

1143
01:14:19,830 --> 01:14:23,010
know, I show them I say, Oh,
look, we have chapters and I

1144
01:14:23,010 --> 01:14:28,620
show them different things.
depends on the audience. It

1145
01:14:28,620 --> 01:14:31,740
really does. depends on the
audience. So of course, yeah, of

1146
01:14:31,740 --> 01:14:34,470
course you tailor that, but you
can you can never you can never

1147
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:36,810
hit it all for for one person.
It's just not going to be that

1148
01:14:36,810 --> 01:14:40,290
interested. Just think just you
know what podcasting is? Yeah, I

1149
01:14:40,290 --> 01:14:41,280
know, it's better.

1150
01:14:42,090 --> 01:14:46,200
It's better. Yeah. I think a
good example of that Sam Sethi I

1151
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:48,210
think he you know, he interviews
a lot of people I think he's

1152
01:14:48,210 --> 01:14:54,780
good interviewer and one in he's
cheap, very much brings up he

1153
01:14:54,780 --> 01:14:57,540
almost always brings up a
podcasting 2.0 Tech. Now look, I

1154
01:14:57,690 --> 01:15:00,960
mean, the example of that is
when he interviewed Dejan Aviva

1155
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:05,700
Hassan from about three weeks
ago. And she was talking about

1156
01:15:05,700 --> 01:15:09,690
monetization and how she had
gotten on to the virgin. Virgin

1157
01:15:09,690 --> 01:15:12,510
yes salons thing. You know? And
he asked, he asked, he's like,

1158
01:15:12,510 --> 01:15:15,120
Okay, well, have you heard of
the value for value tag? I mean,

1159
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:17,400
have you heard of this? You
know, lightning streaming

1160
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:22,260
payments and stuff. So, like, he
that's an example of somebody

1161
01:15:22,290 --> 01:15:25,650
tailoring their message to a
specific, you know, to each

1162
01:15:25,650 --> 01:15:29,250
specific person they're talking
to? Yeah, I think you have to,

1163
01:15:29,340 --> 01:15:29,580
yeah.

1164
01:15:29,910 --> 01:15:32,850
And just for me, personally,
again, I'll just say I think

1165
01:15:32,850 --> 01:15:36,960
value for value as a concept,
not just the the implementation

1166
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:43,770
that we've done in podcasting.
2.0 for media, is something that

1167
01:15:43,770 --> 01:15:47,700
for me is the real end goal.
That's what I really that's what

1168
01:15:47,700 --> 01:15:51,930
turns me on. It's like look at
people giving back value.

1169
01:15:53,010 --> 01:15:58,380
Voluntarily. And, and the
reasons behind it and how people

1170
01:15:58,380 --> 01:16:02,490
do it. It fascinates me. I'm up
for days looking at why people

1171
01:16:02,490 --> 01:16:06,210
do certain things in numerology,
what, what makes them interested

1172
01:16:06,210 --> 01:16:08,580
in it? You know, and I find a
lot more interesting than

1173
01:16:08,580 --> 01:16:11,370
looking at downloads, statistics
and CPM.

1174
01:16:12,450 --> 01:16:13,380
Oh, yeah. Yeah.

1175
01:16:13,679 --> 01:16:16,799
You know, it's like, what am I
doing with the actual content

1176
01:16:16,799 --> 01:16:19,439
that I'm creating that will
motive that will give someone so

1177
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:22,859
much value that it motivates
them to actually jump through

1178
01:16:22,859 --> 01:16:25,019
hoops to send that value back?

1179
01:16:25,679 --> 01:16:28,919
Do you want your audience to be
to be a stat on an Excel

1180
01:16:28,919 --> 01:16:31,649
spreadsheet? Or do you want to
be reading their messages that

1181
01:16:31,649 --> 01:16:35,099
they send to you on your own
your show? I know which one I

1182
01:16:35,099 --> 01:16:35,399
want?

1183
01:16:35,429 --> 01:16:38,819
Yeah. I want them lying at my
feet worshiping Me.

1184
01:16:39,690 --> 01:16:44,070
Well, that's a different Me you
can do that. We can make that

1185
01:16:44,070 --> 01:16:44,430
have

1186
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:48,660
that character. You're exactly
right. You're exactly what you

1187
01:16:48,660 --> 01:16:49,200
said there.

1188
01:16:49,530 --> 01:16:54,150
By now. Karen brought in another
1100 23 SATs and he says through

1189
01:16:54,150 --> 01:16:57,480
pod friend. He says Would I be
able to get my name written on

1190
01:16:57,480 --> 01:17:01,680
the list for coming up with the
nickname pots H for Dave. First

1191
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:05,190
booster gram that to a pod land
month or so ago? Sorry, James

1192
01:17:05,190 --> 01:17:07,320
pod bro was awful. Yes,

1193
01:17:07,410 --> 01:17:12,750
yes, I think I think Dave, you
should tattoo his name on your

1194
01:17:12,750 --> 01:17:13,020
arm.

1195
01:17:14,940 --> 01:17:20,160
Yeah, well, I'll let you know
when that happens. Mary as the

1196
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:26,580
Oscar Mary is a bunch of dogs
here. 22,222 says Oh, thank you

1197
01:17:26,580 --> 01:17:30,090
fountain. He says thanks for
having me on. Like, let's get

1198
01:17:30,090 --> 01:17:32,520
the lightning charity fun filled
up boost.

1199
01:17:32,580 --> 01:17:38,970
Yes, well, yes. We so we did put
the split in for the lightning

1200
01:17:38,970 --> 01:17:43,920
podcast charity fund. And I was
planning on leaving it in for

1201
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:49,080
today's show. So you know that
those Satoshis are going to this

1202
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:52,950
node that you gave us so
hopefully you'll be able to use

1203
01:17:52,950 --> 01:17:57,540
that to pre fill some wallets.

1204
01:17:58,830 --> 01:18:03,450
Let's let's watch it happen.
Let's watch the magic. Yep. The

1205
01:18:03,450 --> 01:18:06,270
vit see Oh, this looks like a
maybe a typo.

1206
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:10,560
It is very cool if you if you
boost or boost to Graham you'll

1207
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,890
see in the split you'll see
lightning podcast charity fund

1208
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:17,250
it just to see that Yeah, I like
that a lot

1209
01:18:18,210 --> 01:18:22,500
of it via I think this is this
is veal from the Parkinson's,

1210
01:18:22,830 --> 01:18:27,120
social but I'm not sure because
this VI L dash L E so I don't

1211
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:31,740
know. Maybe a typo. Part four
and it says just testing go

1212
01:18:31,740 --> 01:18:37,860
podcasting. Well 1000 SAS will
read them all. So even the test

1213
01:18:37,860 --> 01:18:41,340
we even read stuff from
ourselves. The best part? Yeah.

1214
01:18:41,460 --> 01:18:46,590
aerostatic sent us another 2376
SATs and he says I also

1215
01:18:46,590 --> 01:18:50,160
subscribe to the fountain app
premium. These guys are doing a

1216
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:52,110
great job. Yeah, yeah,

1217
01:18:52,110 --> 01:18:53,640
it was great having Oscar on the
show.

1218
01:18:54,450 --> 01:19:01,500
It's a good interview three
330 3333 SAS from our buddy

1219
01:19:01,500 --> 01:19:02,850
Martin at pod friend

1220
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:04,560
33,000.

1221
01:19:05,970 --> 01:19:09,840
He says hello here's a donation
of 33,333 SAS because you're

1222
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:13,770
awesome. Ah this is Martin is
also works as a test to see if

1223
01:19:13,770 --> 01:19:16,920
the total amount is sent along
with the boost. Yes,

1224
01:19:16,950 --> 01:19:20,490
it is good work. Yeah,
everyone's I saw breezes almost

1225
01:19:20,490 --> 01:19:22,890
done with their episode level
split.

1226
01:19:23,700 --> 01:19:26,820
Yeah, it looked like I saw him
in the breeze dev group. Yeah.

1227
01:19:26,820 --> 01:19:30,240
And they put it in place and
then it broke some other stuff.

1228
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:31,110
Cool. I get back.

1229
01:19:33,060 --> 01:19:33,690
I love it.

1230
01:19:33,690 --> 01:19:38,970
I got it working in Roy's like
yeah, it works great, but none

1231
01:19:38,970 --> 01:19:44,610
of my episodes are up
refreshing. Okay. Oh, well. So I

1232
01:19:44,610 --> 01:19:47,760
think they're in the homestretch
of it. See, sir Pete gave us

1233
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:50,940
5000 SAS and he says here's an
Oscar. 360 Boost.

1234
01:19:51,060 --> 01:19:58,560
Ooh. Oscar 363 60

1235
01:20:01,110 --> 01:20:05,490
Breathe anonymous 1000 SATs
their breeze and it's just it

1236
01:20:05,490 --> 01:20:07,770
says a you is the whole message.

1237
01:20:08,370 --> 01:20:11,520
All right. I don't know either.
Maybe that's all

1238
01:20:11,580 --> 01:20:17,640
Auburn citadel. I don't know.
Let's see. And John's John's

1239
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:25,560
BRT, John's. John sbrt sent us
4900 SATs and he says cheers. It

1240
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:26,100
was through fountain

1241
01:20:26,430 --> 01:20:27,990
cheers to you. Thank you very
much.

1242
01:20:29,730 --> 01:20:32,220
That's our booster grams and we
got some monthly donors here. We

1243
01:20:32,220 --> 01:20:40,980
got a Jordan dunville $10.02
coats $6.66 Miko Kimmerer $5.33

1244
01:20:40,980 --> 01:20:47,070
Lesley Martin $2 Jeff Miller $20
Dred Scott $15 Thank you dread

1245
01:20:47,070 --> 01:20:47,550
killing it.

1246
01:20:48,030 --> 01:20:48,540
Big John.

1247
01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:54,990
Terry Keller $4.11 Pedro gone
calvus $5 and Aaron Renaud $5

1248
01:20:56,130 --> 01:21:04,590
I'm going to put in in the area
of non monetary time instead of

1249
01:21:04,590 --> 01:21:07,290
treasure or talent instead of
treasure I'm going to put in

1250
01:21:07,350 --> 01:21:11,310
Ryan Hirsch here because he is
done work

1251
01:21:11,940 --> 01:21:15,000
party time right he did all the
party time work thank you very

1252
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:18,210
much. Right and thank you to
these monthly donors because you

1253
01:21:18,210 --> 01:21:21,510
know what I'm seeing here just
back of the napkin. I'm seeing

1254
01:21:21,510 --> 01:21:25,290
that we're receiving we had the
monthly is are important because

1255
01:21:25,290 --> 01:21:28,470
that's that's that's money that
these are higher amounts for us

1256
01:21:28,470 --> 01:21:32,520
which is great for the keep the
server's running. But we have

1257
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:39,300
less people sending us Fiat fun
coupons, but more people

1258
01:21:39,300 --> 01:21:42,780
streaming and boosting even
though the the the total Fiat

1259
01:21:42,780 --> 01:21:47,700
amount is lower. It warms my
heart. Yeah, it warms my heart.

1260
01:21:47,700 --> 01:21:50,430
It really does. And, and you
know, consider putting your

1261
01:21:50,430 --> 01:21:53,610
streaming at 100 SATs a minute
that's a default on I think that

1262
01:21:53,610 --> 01:21:57,360
might be a curio caster default.
And, you know, I realized like,

1263
01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:59,370
hey, you know, I've Damn, I'm
filling I'm filling up this

1264
01:21:59,370 --> 01:22:03,630
wallet every single week. And
like, How much is it really?

1265
01:22:04,590 --> 01:22:05,820
And I'm like, No,

1266
01:22:05,820 --> 01:22:07,980
it's not much. It's not but um,

1267
01:22:08,010 --> 01:22:10,680
but I feel good about it. Me
too.

1268
01:22:12,270 --> 01:22:14,610
Because, you know, I do five
booster grams and I got a

1269
01:22:14,610 --> 01:22:15,480
refill, you know?

1270
01:22:16,470 --> 01:22:20,310
Yeah, I was listening to Brett
Weinstein's podcast today. His

1271
01:22:20,310 --> 01:22:24,180
latest episode is really good. I
was listening to that

1272
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:27,030
was. Was Heather on on the show.

1273
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:31,920
Yes. Yes, it was good. She did.
She's talking about this book.

1274
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:35,790
And it's, it's, it's it's a good
episode. Um, I don't listen to

1275
01:22:35,790 --> 01:22:37,950
that show a lot. But every now
and then they'll have one that

1276
01:22:37,950 --> 01:22:38,790
hits it out of the park.

1277
01:22:39,060 --> 01:22:42,090
Oh, yeah. And by the way, I
think Heather actually is quite

1278
01:22:42,090 --> 01:22:45,270
sexy with that. That breathy
voice

1279
01:22:45,630 --> 01:22:48,270
but I'm gonna take your word for
it because you do you and

1280
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:50,190
imitating it is not.

1281
01:22:50,430 --> 01:22:55,320
It's not sexy. Okay, I make the
jokes around here right now,

1282
01:22:55,320 --> 01:23:00,060
guys. We Yeah, that's it. That's
our that's our group.

1283
01:23:00,810 --> 01:23:05,610
Thank you all so much. I think
we had a pretty good lead into

1284
01:23:05,610 --> 01:23:08,910
explaining how it works. But
that's it. And the you know, my

1285
01:23:08,910 --> 01:23:13,020
wife was a nonprofit,
communications professional C

1286
01:23:13,020 --> 01:23:17,190
suite level for many many years
semi retired now. And she will

1287
01:23:17,190 --> 01:23:20,550
tell you if you're a podcast or
just like any nonprofit, the

1288
01:23:20,550 --> 01:23:24,390
number one reason people do not
donate is because they weren't

1289
01:23:24,450 --> 01:23:32,340
asked. And it's get asked Hey,
gotta ask got to ask. And and in

1290
01:23:32,340 --> 01:23:35,010
this booster Graham thing is
just man that's taken to such

1291
01:23:35,010 --> 01:23:38,880
such another level. You know?
That I was gonna say something

1292
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:41,970
but I'm planning even on another
show just because I want to be

1293
01:23:41,970 --> 01:23:45,810
able to do even more of a
booster grams and stuff. Well, I

1294
01:23:45,810 --> 01:23:47,580
need another podcast in my life.
You see?

1295
01:23:47,700 --> 01:23:50,430
Yeah, you do. Like you need a
you know, like, you need another

1296
01:23:50,430 --> 01:23:51,120
dog in your life.

1297
01:23:51,420 --> 01:23:53,490
It's a creative outlet. There's
some of that, you know, it's I

1298
01:23:53,490 --> 01:23:57,180
love doing it so much. And it's
it's not me, podcasting. It's

1299
01:23:57,180 --> 01:24:00,900
the people. You know, I love
talking with you. I love talking

1300
01:24:00,900 --> 01:24:03,600
with Moe. I love talking with
John still kind of

1301
01:24:05,460 --> 01:24:12,030
just on a tangent. I caught that
on a on a Mofaz tangent. Yo. I'm

1302
01:24:12,030 --> 01:24:14,100
glad that y'all have been doing
more shows lately. It's good to

1303
01:24:14,100 --> 01:24:14,610
see we're on

1304
01:24:14,610 --> 01:24:18,030
a schedule man got one or
schedule it's, we finally

1305
01:24:18,060 --> 01:24:22,470
figured it out. Yeah, and it's
an I'm very proud of moe.

1306
01:24:22,950 --> 01:24:25,860
Because he is he is really
really killing it. And we

1307
01:24:25,860 --> 01:24:29,520
finally figured out what was
there was a whole bunch of

1308
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:32,670
reasons why we weren't hitting a
schedule. And and I say, man,

1309
01:24:32,670 --> 01:24:35,760
we're breaking my number one
rule here. And we also went off

1310
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:41,250
a little bit on the format. And
we just and we just corrected it

1311
01:24:41,250 --> 01:24:44,790
and it's so happy. I think the
the shows that we're doing now

1312
01:24:44,820 --> 01:24:49,140
are some of the best workout.
This last one we did about the

1313
01:24:49,140 --> 01:24:55,290
parallels between COVID and AIDS
crisis and how that impacts the

1314
01:24:55,290 --> 01:24:57,840
so called black community and I
say so called because that's

1315
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:02,550
what most says it phenomenal.
And people are boosting and

1316
01:25:02,550 --> 01:25:06,240
people are I mean, we have we
have a wallet for the show.

1317
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:06,870
How's that? Do

1318
01:25:06,870 --> 01:25:07,650
it? Hell yeah.

1319
01:25:07,650 --> 01:25:11,250
It's doing okay. It's doing
okay. Yeah. And you know your

1320
01:25:11,250 --> 01:25:13,110
readout booster grams on there?
No, because

1321
01:25:13,110 --> 01:25:15,030
I don't have any booster gram
software.

1322
01:25:16,890 --> 01:25:19,380
I'm waiting for like, that's, I
feel like that's somebody's

1323
01:25:19,380 --> 01:25:24,630
problem that I know. It might be
man. What do you mean? Like, I

1324
01:25:24,630 --> 01:25:28,050
feel like I have neglected to
set you guys up with the proper

1325
01:25:28,050 --> 01:25:29,880
software to get that done with
Yeah, but

1326
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:34,770
yeah, it's like I I know when to
ask for stuff. Yeah, yeah. And

1327
01:25:34,770 --> 01:25:36,480
tax time was not the right time.

1328
01:25:37,590 --> 01:25:42,480
And how was that set up? By the
way? Is it set up? What node is

1329
01:25:42,480 --> 01:25:43,260
that go into?

1330
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:48,690
Oh, I'm just, it's actually my
old voltage node. Because at

1331
01:25:48,690 --> 01:25:52,890
first we had a first we had a
split and it was going into me a

1332
01:25:52,890 --> 01:25:58,350
mo had a sphinx node. Well, we
know how that typically is.

1333
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:04,560
Failure. And, and he he's like,
yeah, just set it up. And just I

1334
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:07,590
just want it stored and leave
it. So we're not going to spend

1335
01:26:07,590 --> 01:26:14,880
that it's okay. Good. And you
know, so that's it. And so it's

1336
01:26:14,910 --> 01:26:20,610
all it needs is is the code to
access the GPRC whatever. His

1337
01:26:20,610 --> 01:26:25,230
thing macaroon baking system on
ology, lightning, okay, greased

1338
01:26:25,230 --> 01:26:25,680
lightning.

1339
01:26:26,250 --> 01:26:31,620
Grace. Okay, so when you get
your when you get your Umbral?

1340
01:26:31,650 --> 01:26:34,620
Yeah, that's wrong. I wait for
the Oh, yeah, of course not.

1341
01:26:34,740 --> 01:26:37,680
It's all right. But we do value
for value. That show has been

1342
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:40,560
valued for value for day one.
And you know, it's been

1343
01:26:40,590 --> 01:26:44,760
phenomenal. It's again, this is
what this is why I love this

1344
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:48,600
shit. This is why I do it for
these for talking with people.

1345
01:26:50,850 --> 01:26:55,500
You want to hit one more. One
more namespace thing before we

1346
01:26:55,500 --> 01:27:00,480
get out of here. Yeah, sure. I
think I think it's been too

1347
01:27:00,480 --> 01:27:02,850
long. I think we need a hot
namespace talk.

1348
01:27:03,660 --> 01:27:09,960
Okay, and now it's time for some
hot namespace talks. Thank you,

1349
01:27:09,990 --> 01:27:18,240
Dave. You were on top of that.
Like why don't rise you're gonna

1350
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:19,170
have to find that Oh, I

1351
01:27:19,170 --> 01:27:23,220
have to go find it. No, Dave.
No, no. You're working with a

1352
01:27:23,220 --> 01:27:24,330
legend here. Okay.

1353
01:27:29,340 --> 01:27:33,210
And it was still a 10th of a
second delay from clean feed.

1354
01:27:33,870 --> 01:27:37,950
Your radio professional. Thank
you very much. I'm pronounced

1355
01:27:37,950 --> 01:27:38,490
Decatur.

1356
01:27:39,510 --> 01:27:42,750
The podcast Gu ID tag. So red
circle.

1357
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:48,900
Ah, yes. I have one. I have one.
I saw it it's in curio caster it

1358
01:27:48,900 --> 01:27:50,760
shows my my podcast good.

1359
01:27:51,570 --> 01:27:54,510
Yeah, like red circle evidently
implemented the good. The

1360
01:27:54,510 --> 01:27:57,300
podcast. Good tag. I haven't
talked to them. They haven't

1361
01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:00,210
cool with any of us that I know.
And

1362
01:28:00,210 --> 01:28:02,910
they're doing it in the way
we're doing it the same way.

1363
01:28:03,510 --> 01:28:06,180
Yeah, I mean, like they're,
they've implemented across their

1364
01:28:06,330 --> 01:28:10,020
whole portfolio. Cool. All of a
sudden, John Spurlock just

1365
01:28:10,020 --> 01:28:13,110
started. He posted the other day
yesterday and said, Hey, I'm

1366
01:28:13,110 --> 01:28:17,640
seeing red circle podcasts feeds
that now have the podcast good

1367
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:21,450
tag in there. He's like that
that? Is that new? Pa? And

1368
01:28:21,450 --> 01:28:27,420
evidently it is. So that's red
circle Buzzsprout and cast those

1369
01:28:27,930 --> 01:28:29,550
that have all implemented good.

1370
01:28:30,060 --> 01:28:34,050
God bless those guys, man. All
of them. Yeah. And

1371
01:28:35,070 --> 01:28:39,480
I think I think it's probably
time to pull the trigger on

1372
01:28:39,480 --> 01:28:43,950
doing some cool stuff with GUID.
And I think one of the first

1373
01:28:43,950 --> 01:28:47,580
things we need to do is the fact
is, is go back and look at fast

1374
01:28:47,580 --> 01:28:53,460
follows. Ah ha, yeah, so that we
can have a universal way to do

1375
01:28:53,460 --> 01:28:57,870
following, regardless of what
the feed if the feed changes.

1376
01:28:58,980 --> 01:29:04,260
And so the idea here is no, no,
we always know we already have a

1377
01:29:04,260 --> 01:29:12,900
fast follow sort of format that
is less than ideal, but it was,

1378
01:29:13,050 --> 01:29:17,400
you know, we came up with it as
a group pretty quick. But what

1379
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:21,870
really needs there really needs
to be in my opinion, and this is

1380
01:29:21,870 --> 01:29:22,890
just my opinion. Well,

1381
01:29:23,910 --> 01:29:26,010
excuse me, you are the pod sage.

1382
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:28,500
Well, I mean, I don't want to
play that card all the time. I

1383
01:29:28,500 --> 01:29:32,070
gotta leave some juice for
later. Yeah, I

1384
01:29:32,070 --> 01:29:37,800
get at least some juice is that
I fill it as I already bought

1385
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:42,960
the domain fast follow.org. And
I've had it for a while. So I

1386
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:49,860
think what needs to happen is we
have a way to do fast follow.org

1387
01:29:51,060 --> 01:29:57,060
domains with the GUID attached
so that in then what will happen

1388
01:29:57,060 --> 01:30:02,700
is a create a Cloudflare what's
called a Cloudflare worker that

1389
01:30:02,700 --> 01:30:06,300
will resolve the GUID. When
somebody hits when somebody hits

1390
01:30:06,300 --> 01:30:11,730
that domain. It will resolve in
return the URL. Yeah, yes. Cool.

1391
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:18,270
Seamless doesn't require any
servers. And we can serve tons

1392
01:30:18,270 --> 01:30:24,150
of those fairly easily, I
believe. Yeah, I like it. So the

1393
01:30:24,150 --> 01:30:32,700
only thing that that is missing,
though, is a where this falls

1394
01:30:32,700 --> 01:30:37,470
down is Apple, because they do
not have a way to set a default

1395
01:30:37,470 --> 01:30:43,470
podcast app. So you can't say
when you if you had a feed URL,

1396
01:30:43,470 --> 01:30:47,160
something like podcast colon
slash slash and a Gu ID. Yeah.

1397
01:30:48,180 --> 01:30:52,440
You can't use that on Apple's
platforms because they don't

1398
01:30:52,440 --> 01:30:55,800
have a scheme protocol scheme
handler register registered to

1399
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:57,720
go to the to a default app.

1400
01:30:58,230 --> 01:31:00,570
So it makes its own choice.

1401
01:31:01,590 --> 01:31:07,200
It always defaults to, but yeah,
well, they've changed that

1402
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:09,960
lately. For other apps like
mail, you can finally set your

1403
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:13,140
default mail client and all
these other things. So here's

1404
01:31:13,140 --> 01:31:18,630
my, here's my question. Or my
challenge to anybody, to

1405
01:31:18,630 --> 01:31:22,560
everybody who is listening in
may have ideas about this. How

1406
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:25,680
do we pressure Apple to change
this?

1407
01:31:26,220 --> 01:31:30,570
Wow, this is very interesting,
because I think it's critical

1408
01:31:30,570 --> 01:31:35,010
and who always says, well, mate
was no Sam. Sam Sethi says that

1409
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:39,330
Apple's podcast app is the
internet explorer of podcast

1410
01:31:39,330 --> 01:31:44,310
apps. And now they are literally
acting like Microsoft, because

1411
01:31:44,310 --> 01:31:48,960
one of the core issues with
Microsoft is they were locking

1412
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:54,510
you in to Internet Explorer. And
so now Apple is literally

1413
01:31:54,630 --> 01:31:59,610
segregating and locking
everybody into their Internet

1414
01:31:59,610 --> 01:32:03,930
Explorer podcast app, yet other
apps, they do allow this to

1415
01:32:03,930 --> 01:32:06,990
happen. So that's anti
competitive, and I'm taking them

1416
01:32:06,990 --> 01:32:07,440
down.

1417
01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:10,560
Yeah, how do we do it? How do we
take them lawsuit?

1418
01:32:11,970 --> 01:32:15,990
We need a lawyer, a lawyer to
write a letter and threaten him.

1419
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:20,460
Cool. Yeah. I think Martin has
some experience with that.

1420
01:32:20,460 --> 01:32:23,280
Martin, can you write this
letter for us? You have you have

1421
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:24,540
their lawyers number, don't you?

1422
01:32:25,110 --> 01:32:28,230
He does. He does. He doesn't
want to use that number, though.

1423
01:32:28,350 --> 01:32:31,350
Well, this is something James
might do. You know, it's like,

1424
01:32:31,500 --> 01:32:34,230
this is this is anti
competitive. And I don't know

1425
01:32:34,230 --> 01:32:37,800
all the details. But if, you
know, they can have this sort of

1426
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:40,260
they can do whatever they want.
But if they if they're opening

1427
01:32:40,260 --> 01:32:44,400
up other things, and there's a
clear market for other podcast

1428
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:48,300
apps, I think there's precedent
with the Microsoft case. I may

1429
01:32:48,300 --> 01:32:50,280
be wrong, but it feels like
there's precedent

1430
01:32:51,480 --> 01:32:54,450
with jurisprudence. So I know
you're serious about this. I

1431
01:32:54,450 --> 01:32:54,630
know.

1432
01:32:54,750 --> 01:32:56,970
But the someone over there
listens to this.

1433
01:32:58,350 --> 01:32:59,430
Yeah, Apple. Yeah.

1434
01:32:59,490 --> 01:33:03,030
I know. Someone over at Apple.
Listen to this. Come on Apple. I

1435
01:33:03,420 --> 01:33:10,440
just I have so much respect for
for Apple in general. But man,

1436
01:33:11,190 --> 01:33:12,240
it's really waning.

1437
01:33:13,020 --> 01:33:17,790
No, I mean, if you don't want to
look Apple if you don't want to

1438
01:33:17,820 --> 01:33:18,570
allow,

1439
01:33:18,870 --> 01:33:24,630
let's just hold on a second.
Tim. Tim, listen up. Okay, Dave.

1440
01:33:24,660 --> 01:33:25,500
I got his attention.

1441
01:33:26,010 --> 01:33:29,880
Okay. I'm doing pray hands right
now. So really?

1442
01:33:29,910 --> 01:33:31,140
Don't worry. Tim is too.

1443
01:33:31,679 --> 01:33:34,889
Yeah, he is. He never stops.
That's all he does all day. Um,

1444
01:33:35,699 --> 01:33:39,329
we need. Like, if if the problem
is you don't want people setting

1445
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:43,199
Spotify as their default podcast
app, then just exclude them and

1446
01:33:43,199 --> 01:33:44,159
let everybody else go.

1447
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:46,200
Yeah, there's no lawsuit there.

1448
01:33:46,530 --> 01:33:51,120
Yeah, no. You don't have to say
it out loud. No, I mean,

1449
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:51,900
seriously, this is

1450
01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:55,650
why why would they? why would
why there's no reason for them

1451
01:33:55,650 --> 01:33:59,190
to care. This this last because
we don't make any money off that

1452
01:33:59,190 --> 01:34:03,390
exactly. As long as you know.
And and yeah, for subscriptions.

1453
01:34:03,420 --> 01:34:06,060
Oh, yeah. You're so worried
about the revenue loss from your

1454
01:34:06,060 --> 01:34:09,570
podcast subscriptions. Come on.
Don't be douche it's

1455
01:34:09,570 --> 01:34:12,450
you. I bet you they don't make
$200,000 a year

1456
01:34:12,540 --> 01:34:17,880
cost them money. It's a it's a
loss leader for sure. Yeah. And

1457
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:20,790
most of that money is most of
that money is by them not using

1458
01:34:20,790 --> 01:34:25,530
pod ping and killing the
climate. You're worse than China

1459
01:34:25,740 --> 01:34:28,920
with your with your aggregators.
Yeah,

1460
01:34:29,970 --> 01:34:34,980
there's for every effort to put
this into New York Times a

1461
01:34:34,980 --> 01:34:39,480
Bitcoin terminology. Every
podcast that's polled by Apple

1462
01:34:39,480 --> 01:34:42,480
is enough energy to heat 4000
homes for a month.

1463
01:34:42,510 --> 01:34:49,530
No, nope, nope. Every every
podcast that is what was it? Was

1464
01:34:49,530 --> 01:34:53,460
it pulled by Apple now? Yep.
Yeah, pull by Apple. So every

1465
01:34:53,460 --> 01:34:58,020
episode Yes. Published and
pulled by Apple kills a puppy.

1466
01:34:58,830 --> 01:35:02,070
It does. Yes. And they're so
cute.

1467
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:06,150
Apple is the Fauci is the Fauci
of podcast systems.

1468
01:35:06,599 --> 01:35:10,859
Every new episode published and
concerned by consumed by Apple

1469
01:35:10,859 --> 01:35:13,739
puts bagels head in a bag.
That's right

1470
01:35:13,770 --> 01:35:18,840
and then tightens it. Yeah.
suffocated. To stop that Apple

1471
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:22,500
is horrible. Okay, watch this
make a difference. Tim likes

1472
01:35:22,500 --> 01:35:23,070
dogs.

1473
01:35:23,790 --> 01:35:28,590
He does. So I've got pod pink
stuff, but I think we need it

1474
01:35:28,590 --> 01:35:30,570
wait for next week would be I
gotta get back to work.

1475
01:35:30,630 --> 01:35:33,810
Okay. Dave, I know that you're
in the middle, all the coding

1476
01:35:33,810 --> 01:35:37,110
stuff. Do you have time to hang
around with me and set up this

1477
01:35:37,110 --> 01:35:40,710
social social thing? Or do you
need to get back to work and we

1478
01:35:40,710 --> 01:35:43,290
can do it later if that's easier
for you, but not just delay

1479
01:35:43,290 --> 01:35:45,600
publishing and then Martin gets
angry and

1480
01:35:46,230 --> 01:35:49,020
no, I can stick around for a
minute. Okay. All right,

1481
01:35:49,020 --> 01:35:49,350
everybody

1482
01:35:49,350 --> 01:35:52,230
that will do it for today for
podcasting. 2.0 Thank you very

1483
01:35:52,230 --> 01:35:54,270
much for joining the board
meeting. We'll have you back on

1484
01:35:54,270 --> 01:35:57,600
Friday to bring you more the
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1485
01:35:57,600 --> 01:35:59,250
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1486
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1487
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