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podcasting 2.0 for October
8 2021, Episode 57 with the

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rebel rubes Don't worry all will
become clear eventually. Hello

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everybody time once again for
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everybody is welcome here in

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this Open Board Meeting. We do
it every single Friday. I'm Adam

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Curry here in the heart of Texas
Hill Country. And then Alabama,

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the man who's doing all of his
state tax return filing single

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handedly, my friend on the other
end day is

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gonna have some extra money to
do it, too. It wasn't like we

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have, like we get our friends in
India. They're charging for

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admission to the index. You
know, this is the latest hotness

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in

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women. I have not heard of any
of this. What's going on?

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Yeah, so the Swedish trickler
found a post on a website in

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some kind of Indian SEO. Yeah,
yeah, that is charging $20 for

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to submit five podcasts to
podcast and expecting a stream

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of money to come and start
coming our way.

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Yeah, don't hold your breath.
That's interesting. Yeah, I just

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I just did the the Italian
podcast festival. I did a little

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20th grab this Tell me what this
was fun. Well, this was Julio

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Leonardo. She I can't remember
who do we have on the show who's

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in Italy.

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Oberto Oberto from RSS calm
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i think it was Alberto someone
hooked me up with these guys So

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anyway, so they reached out hey,
you know we'd love to have you

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speak at the Italian podcasting
festival. I'm like in person.

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Like No, no, it's virtual. Okay,
so there goes to the trip like

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us too bad. I could have used
that. Willow is there Yes,

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Willow and her and her whole
family. She's been there for

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almost 30 years now. I think

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she's me she's Italian now
pretty much yeah in feud Enza

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Florence. So I like okay you
know what day is it is Friday

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off Fridays my day by I don't
like to do two things on one day

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I'm just nasty that way. Okay,
Friday and they're like well,

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can you do it at 9am Well, that
would be Thursday in the middle

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of the night for me if you want
me to from 9am on Fridays, but I

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can do 9am my time to okay well
then it'll be 4pm I perfect so

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anyway, we set it up. And it was
actually it was pretty tight and

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it was even though they had I
guess it was there. I don't know

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exactly where they were but they
had four different tracks. They

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had multicurrency they had
multiple studios, podcast

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studios, although it was an
online event Yeah, it looked

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pretty professional they had
split screens go on they had

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bumpers and you know they even
had a timed bumper for me and

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this yeah and at decent when
you're done just go Viva

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podcasting. I said okay, so you
know I did a little better not

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podcasting. But the cool thing
was I had my my this I text my

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sister I said I gotta have
something gotta say something

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funny to start off with you

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know. I'm Italian lingo.

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Well, you know her husband is a
pretty famous comedian.

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Alexandre Apache. Yeah, okay, so
that gave me this line. And of

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course I had it all written down
and I was cribbed and I knew

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exactly how to do it and it goes
like this I want to second my

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Yes, I Bongiorno. A tutti quelli
belly a Anka equilibrio at which

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I'm told sounds pretty good

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that's bad I mean I'll buy he's
like that so

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it's good Good morning
everybody. To all the pretty

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people and all the ugly people
she said don't worry they'll go

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over great they love that here
it's okay but there's no

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feedback right I'm just it's
just me cracking jokes like Bill

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Maher during the lockdown Yeah,
I was like no audience I have no

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idea if it if it if it went over
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So it's like the destiny Italian
equivalent of like I just flew

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into Chicago and boy My arms are
tired I

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think it's a little better than
that. But and it may it may be

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as bad Yeah, exactly. So ballin
that was cool man. I'd lay down

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the 2.0 smack you know,

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when the What were you on? Like
what was the reasoning behind

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you being like what was the
topic? I am the podcast,

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whatever you wanted to time.
Literally night literally.

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Literally like you're the pod
father. You Got 20 minutes and

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go. Like

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so I mean that's what we're
gonna do with Brian of London.

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It's gonna be like Okay, hi go.
No, yeah, my 30 to 45 minutes.

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Oh, you're cutting him short. Oh
my god. Oh, that's five minutes

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was good and then I'm doing they
finally came through the Megyn

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Kelly show on Tuesday.

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When is that gonna happen?
That's live on Tuesday.

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Oh that happened to get this
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and I think yeah, I think it's
live on Sirius XM and then it's

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then her podcast comes out.

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Did you ever figure out whether
or not this was like the main

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podcast or some side podcast

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now? It seems like she's just
converted her whole podcast into

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this with the Sirius XM deal.
And you know, so now it's not no

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longer is it? Hey, just chat for
an hour or whatever. No, it's

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like well, you have 40 minutes
and I'm sure they have

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commercial breaks and it's gonna
say I'm excited about talking

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like, I mean, her podcast is
what I'm interested and I think

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the Sirius XM stuff just gets in
the way to be honest and has to

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be on video.

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Is it gonna be just you for the
whole podcast or

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is it I don't think so. I don't
know this is unclear I think she

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has multiple guests on so I
don't know if you can get held

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over or go with another segment
or because you know it's gonna

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be 10 minutes MTV guy.

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gonna be me. Uh, maybe podcast.

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I mean you Bob you know how to
bob and weave around that and

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get you know, get into what you
Wally. Yeah, yeah. MTV Ba ba ba.

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Oh, yeah, that's exactly right
to the same degree.

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As we do in that a lot. Do you
hear that? Meghan? What was

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that? I'm hearing something

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we get this Cajun in the room.

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Here's something about abuse I'm
not sure is this on your end

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over there series.

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It's a shame you can't get these
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It's too bad she isn't doing the
podcast the way she used to do

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it because she was doing these
great post reads. And I had my

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line already it's like Megan, I
really want to invite you to

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podcasting 2.0 and value for
value because I just can't hear

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you talk about your legacy box
anymore. It's just like so I

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can't do that joke. Because I
don't think sponsor Oh, she's

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got real like real sponsors now
No, I don't know. Sirius XM?

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What would a sponsor for Megyn
Kelly look like it would mean is

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that gonna be like Procter and
Gamble.

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Well, legacy box was literally
one of our sponsors. You know,

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the typical Squarespace type
ads. That's that's what she was

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getting.

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When Warby Parker Yeah, that
idea interests that idea in a

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box. Okay. And I really

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think I've just been noticing
all these changes in mainstream

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is, this all started when when I
heard that Nielsen had lost

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their certification for their
rating system. You know, for the

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math, as it were just kind of
critical when you're providing

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television ratings. So they lost
their certification, the

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streaming guys are just refusing
to participate in ratings. And

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so the way artists are
compensated is changing. It's no

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longer you know, the big
residuals, it's not based upon

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performance. It's not based upon
how many people streamed it, or

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how many people used it, what
it's actually based on,

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certainly for the for crew, and
such, as, you know, the big,

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they got some pretty strong
unions for Hollywood, television

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and radio to film, this dragon,
right? Well, they have approved

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a strike, they've approved a
strike, and I think they will go

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on strike because what's going
on with them is their contracts

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are based upon how big the
audience is of the streaming

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company. So Apple, who claimed
to have less than 20 million

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subscribers, pay these people
less for their productions. And

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Netflix has to pay them more,
because that's kind of working

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out to be the way the unions are
negotiating. But it's not based

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on residuals, the actors. Also,
you know, there's just not that

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much residual business anymore.

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So they split Okay, let me let
me try to get an understanding

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of this better what you're
saying is that it's not it is or

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is not based on total, like
monthly active users.

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What What are you talking about

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now television is in the
residuals, no streaming, guys?

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no. So good point. Oh, because
this works the same for music,

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but let's just keep it with
let's keep it with film and

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television kind of the same.
Let's do television, just

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because it's easier because
that's where we have a lot of ad

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interruptions in mainstream. So
if you have a television show

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friends, and you know, you're
all actors, and also the writers

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and there's many people who have
deep deals that are based upon

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the long term profits of that
product that you'll get usually

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certainly unknown actors,
they'll get scale. And then

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they'll get some points on some
fictional back end over time.

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But we actually have very
similar to ASCAP BMI for

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television, there's no there's
ways that this is tracked and

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television stations that air it
have to pay money. And that does

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go down the line and it winds up
through collection agencies and

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winds up in the pockets of the
people where it belongs. So if

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the kind of the rule of thumb is
if you have five seasons of a

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show, and this is Seinfeld
friends, yeah, you know, cause

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the Star Trek you name it, then
you know that that going into

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syndication, which means all
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around America, but around the
world. And you know, that's why

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they wind up still playing him
at three in the morning, you

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know, they're paying for the for
the for the rights. So that's so

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it's very calculable, or used to
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going away, because the only way
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afford to pay for the rights to
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is if they have the ads against
it. And they just don't have the

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numbers of viewers anymore
because people are out there

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waiting. You know, that's like
the way to season catch it on

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Hulu, with no ads. You know,
they're they're watching a

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limited run television series on
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streamers they decided early on.
We're just going to do buyout.

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So you work in this production.
You're an actor, I'll give you

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$20 million. But you know,
residuals, you give me 25

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million done. That's it, we own
it forevermore. And that's a big

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change.

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So what if you take the 20
million with residuals, the

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residuals are based on which
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the residuals are based upon
payments made for broadcast

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rights.

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Okay, so like, if you're Apple,
and you have some show, like Ted

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lasso, then the people that
worked on Ted lasso, do they, if

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they get any residual from zero,
they get 00.

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And worse, because it was if if
Netflix. So the contracts with

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the union state, I don't, I
don't wanna get too boring on

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this, but 20 million and under
subscribers, members of the

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streaming service, you get $75
per hour, between 20 million and

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50 million subscribers in the
streaming service, they will pay

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you $100 an hour has nothing to
do with your performance has

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nothing to do with how many
people watch is just based upon

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the number that by the way is
unverifiable. Just Apple's just

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telling you,

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that's the MA you number, that's
that's the monthly active users.

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No, no, that's their subscriber
number. That's how many people

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are paying Apple monthly, not
even if they're using it, just

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how much you're paying it
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So the active part is
irrelevant. It's just how many

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completely and then and it's
arbitrary to say that's true, or

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it's arbitrary. Yeah, I

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mean, Apple can say whatever
they want. So that's why Ladies

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and gentlemen, the value for
value splits, although it seems

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like a cool little quirky deal
for podcasting is in fact a

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distributed digital royalty
system. And it's working. Holy

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crap, I put Graham's node into
the previous episode. Has he

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gotten any right away He's like,
Oh, this is kind of cool.

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Because it just keeps on flowing
in you know, and it's like he

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gets six satoshis 10 satoshis or
depends up there goes a boost

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you know that kind of stuff. I
don't know if anyone boosted him

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directly he a fountain just
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It was bliss. Yeah. Yep. And
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fountain. Curia caster is Brees
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has just been all over. They're
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great. Max is great, man. You
don't want him wanting something

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from you though? No, I like to
watch him one thing. Yes. Other

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people. Yeah. And we got a super
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About value for value.

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Holy crap. So this is all good.

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But you know that makes me that
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see this? If you did or not this
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podcast have called a
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exclusive on Spotify?

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Yes, I did. I did. And then some
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exclusive. I try to get clips.
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this is this show is unclip. I
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I don't really know what oh my
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So right now we're exclusive on
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I encourage everybody to
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It's a free app. It's free. It's
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exclusive no credit card. You
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credit card needed.

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It will come through your phone
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don't understand this. And I
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think, is this TechCrunch?

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James and I were going back and
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Twitter, which of course is not
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overheard in an investor
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But what was cool is that James
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gonna read it right here. So
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the screenshot overheard on
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when Spotify says 21 or 22% of
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content. What does engagement
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user, who had users who have
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greater than zero milliseconds
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That's the lowest bar in all of
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play. We got to play engage,
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an engagement. And James closing
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the podcast index on social in
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called the 22% number comes from
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counts as a monthly active user
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supported users and Premium
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consumed content for greater
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last 30 days. But it wasn't from
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I love the I mean, I just love
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saying it out loud. Yeah,
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milliseconds is easily funnier,

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that if you hit point one, bam,
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already doing milliseconds. I
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for a millisecond. If you want
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even route that you can even
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a fee. Yeah, no, it's I just
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things keep going. Because this
is what the verge said. It said,

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heavyweight is going exclusive.
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move, and a spokesperson
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post, which posits and to offer
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basically nothing. The clear,
the clear sentence that could

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pass as an explanation is maybe
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streaming is the future of all
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technology can provide the
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ecosystem to grow blah, blah,
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Therefore, if you're listening
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source pontificating about what
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says, if you're listening on
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pocket casts, or anywhere else,
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to leverage the data it collects
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but in the case of Gamla shows,
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listening on Spotify means more
ads. Okay, so that's, it says,

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plus you listening on Spotify
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chance of converting you into a
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don't buy either one of those,
honestly, oh, not at all. And

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the more ads I don't see, I
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of the show, as it stands now,
before it's even on Spotify. The

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content doesn't even start until
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everything else is pre roll.

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This is and this is the change
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are fighting against in
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People don't want ads, they skip
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them. Of course, advertising
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think this the smartest ad and
I'm just gonna call it that it's

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like a house ad is when James
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and it will talk about how great
their launches and the great

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product and they'll say and by
the way, I'm advisor you know

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but now that and I think and I
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believe that he thinks is really
good whatever product that is

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I'm cool with that whether you
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it's my brother doesn't matter I
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I love being honest about them
the cast scam is trashed is a

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I have it right here

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yeah i love it i love the fact
that you've gone back to the oh

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this I was so off my game

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I know it I got a really good
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because the problem there is you
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signal back from me you were
getting uncompressed on poorly

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mixed crap right that it just
didn't sound right and it threw

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you off weird and it threw me
off to someone said you know I

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heard I noticed the sound
difference and although it did

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sound kind of nice it wasn't a
problem I really felt like you

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died a little inside that's
exactly right. That's what it

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felt like I died a little bit

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I felt like he felt like the the
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that it was throwing your you
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Oh, of course it was it's very
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I did this is like being in a
warm blanket. You know? This is

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perfect

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well I did just because I can't
help myself I did order the

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revelator I owe 24 from personas

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oh you order that for the god
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well I ordered it because I
looked at it and I said you know

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it's 199 bucks and who was who
was who recommended this who was

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it someone on the map

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that was Matt as Matt Matt Matt
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and and although he didn't
answer the questions I had and I

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screw it I'm just going to order
it and it came in and so after

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the show today I'm gonna hook it
up I don't think it does what I

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need it to do but I might as
well because all the minutes

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will do this because all of
these boxes that are sold as you

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know all in one podcasting are
perfect for perfect for

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podcasting. No No they're not
they're missing things they're

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good they're good for someone
doesn't know what they're doing

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but they're not great and
certainly not for live then you

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know they have a lot of great
features and they could update

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all of this stuff in software
I'm sure but they don't so

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anyway so I'm going to try this
by will have to start sending

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stuff back Of course if I mean
it would surprise me if this

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personas outdid the Moto because
the Moto was just

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started doing unboxings

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Let me think no i did the
unboxing before okay I guess

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exactly

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well i mean that that's yeah
that's an inch the whole the

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whole thing with with why people
don't send you stuff to review

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that along this line is me is
beyond me

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I know I understand this so are
the audio guy it's so obvious

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it's because that's not how it
works you send it to the people

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who are going to give you a good
review because they either paid

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by you or you know they find
that the box is good enough this

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is they know that I will be
honest and that I will talk

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about it I'm not going to sign
NDA is and stuff so this is

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okay. I mean that's why I love
talking about products because

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we have no advertising it's safe
I like it or not. And you know

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what? There's a new product I
like from the same people who

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brought you Curio Castor the
value caster. Did you see what

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he's done?

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Oh, he taught me the thing with
the list. Yeah, yeah,

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it's beautiful. And I can see we
have 2189 valued and value

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enabled podcasts.

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Many of those coming from

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our guest for today our guest
Yes, I think we shall bring him

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in. Ladies and gentlemen, would
you please welcome to the board

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meeting of podcasting. 2.2 point
oh, from the promised land the

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master of the hive. Ladies,
Gentlemen, sir Brian of London.

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Hey, pal of the pod. Hello,
everybody. Good to be here.

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Brian. Do 45 minutes or 45

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minutes to give you a high pitch
man. Like here we go. Now before

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actually, dude, you've really
done something incredible

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against all odds. Mainly against
mockery and people laughing

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behind your back. I know. You
know we did it. Yeah. You

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really, really?

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Yep.

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You really did a super
impressive thing with hive,

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enabling value for value and you
know it. I'm not quite sure

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exactly. I mean, I know it's all
strung together and stuff and

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you provide very detailed
reports of your progress.

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Which people like our people
love it. Oh

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yes. It's the first thing I look
at in the morning. Screw pod

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News. I'm going straight to
Brian of London's high report.

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Well Yes, hello spring was that
pumping was the gateway drug.

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You know, pumping was the
pumping was how I got you. You

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hooked? Well that brings that
there was something useful that

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that brings up a good a good
segue here into the interview

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that heartland had with Chris
Messina yesterday on yesterday's

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show Yeah, they were talking I
thought it was overall I thought

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it was a really good interview.
And I like I think all of us

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nerds like hearing about you
know, the old tech or not old

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tech but the way that the the
way that these protocols came

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about and all that kind of
stuff, we like that thing. And

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but then he he starts talking
about about webs and that kind

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of deal. And I think obviously
to be fair to him he was coming

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in cold I mean he didn't really
he obviously didn't understand

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all the details of what we've
been doing here. No,

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no, I can't wait to give you my
two cents on this. Okay, well, I

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know him.

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Oh Go Go give me your two cents
right up front then.

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I remember the whole atom gang
these were a bunch of assholes.

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And if I recall now I was a hell
of a lot less sophistic I'm

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sorry Brian we're just gonna get
right down to it I think we

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should

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I was there at that

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I know a lot of people were
around five right so Weiner and

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I are you know we're doing we're
doing the podcast we're doing

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trade secrets I think was the
show but we're but all the while

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you know we were developing the
podcast the RSS 2.0 spec I guess

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and the way so I wasn't I had no
idea what I was doing was not

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sophisticated in programming any
of this stuff. So this was my

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impression at the time and it
was search surrounded show notes

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interestingly enough so i and i
will say I completely myself

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came up with show notes the
concept and including it with

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with a podcast and putting show
notes into the feed and there

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was a group of people were like
hey, you know, we need to have

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it it needs to be a tag item
level tag in the in the feed for

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show notes. And Dave said no and
and Dave said he said no, that's

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Yeah, I know isn't crazy. And at
that point, I really didn't have

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an opinion one way or the other
I was happy putting adjusting

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the description and it didn't
really matter to me I didn't see

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why there had to be like in
hindsight I understand much

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better why people might have
been asking for that. But Dave

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said no, and of course RSS is
much more general than just

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podcasting. And he said you can
always extend it with a

447
00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:52,200
namespace and and that was and I
held on to that and of course

448
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,590
that has worked very favorably
for the podcasting 2.0 project

449
00:27:55,590 --> 00:28:00,060
but then came the atom guys and
and they also approached me like

450
00:28:00,060 --> 00:28:03,720
hey man, you should be using
Adam like sucks and you know we

451
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,170
could do so much more and it's a
lot richer and Microsoft

452
00:28:07,260 --> 00:28:13,200
supports it and they just seem
slimy and they would you know,

453
00:28:13,260 --> 00:28:18,030
the conversations will get
heated and would get nasty and

454
00:28:18,030 --> 00:28:23,340
so in then for a while there
there was a there was a real

455
00:28:24,090 --> 00:28:28,020
push to get people to only put
atom feed links on their

456
00:28:28,020 --> 00:28:32,070
websites and basically RSS one I
mean it's just if there was ever

457
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:37,380
a battle that RSS was involved
in it one but the way that

458
00:28:38,700 --> 00:28:44,280
Muslim Chris Yes, yeah, Chris
Messina the way he was talking

459
00:28:45,060 --> 00:28:49,080
was like well you know it to me
it was sounded really

460
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,900
patronizing it's like well you
know, what are these guys really

461
00:28:57,900 --> 00:29:00,420
know i mean didn't really think
it through you know, and by the

462
00:29:00,420 --> 00:29:04,680
way we did have the Adam did all
this we had all those things

463
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,290
arranged I'm doing the voice
that he doesn't have but that's

464
00:29:07,290 --> 00:29:11,490
how it came across to me you see
Okay, that was my two cents

465
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,590
Yeah. Brian. Before I do my
thing i mean i don't want to

466
00:29:16,590 --> 00:29:18,690
invite you into the boardroom
and then just like you know,

467
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:19,710
have a seminar here.

468
00:29:20,730 --> 00:29:24,690
Well the ping pop well that
Firstly, they haven't invited me

469
00:29:24,690 --> 00:29:27,570
on the show to actually tell
them how pumping came about or

470
00:29:27,570 --> 00:29:32,130
how it works so good point
perhaps that will happen now i'm

471
00:29:32,130 --> 00:29:37,170
sure but the you know, the
genesis of popping was was just

472
00:29:37,170 --> 00:29:41,130
that one dev meeting where you
were going to you presented your

473
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:46,830
sort of, can I say hideously
over complicated replacement for

474
00:29:46,830 --> 00:29:51,390
webs up that fair, you know,
with with with the with the

475
00:29:51,390 --> 00:29:57,300
monster name because you call it
Hydra? eyes? Yes. I just kept

476
00:29:57,300 --> 00:30:00,000
thinking this is what we're
doing in hive, and it was like

477
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,400
We've got all these computers
all over the world, they're

478
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,600
doing a whole big social network
thing. And they can just do this

479
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,020
for breakfast. This is trivial
because it's, it's less than a

480
00:30:10,020 --> 00:30:13,110
bit, you know, there's massive
game that runs on hive, called

481
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:16,950
splinter Lan, to just taken off
in a huge way now, actually, I

482
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:19,860
think they've signed up there
millions player or something.

483
00:30:20,550 --> 00:30:24,300
And what we're doing with
pulping is, you know, point one

484
00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:31,260
6% of the traffic that they
generate. And it just, it just

485
00:30:31,260 --> 00:30:35,070
makes sense. And it's the first
time it's the first time I you

486
00:30:35,070 --> 00:30:37,260
know, I've been doing the whole
blockchain thing for a couple of

487
00:30:37,260 --> 00:30:42,570
years. Learning about it, using
the cryptocurrencies and the

488
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:47,400
Bitcoin and all that. But I was
also like, hugely skeptical

489
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,980
every time someone said to me,
oh, you can use a blockchain for

490
00:30:49,980 --> 00:30:54,870
that, genuinely, you couldn't.
And and I'm so pleased and proud

491
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:59,820
that is this kind of other use
for a blockchain. It's not

492
00:30:59,820 --> 00:31:04,020
money, it's not exchange of
tokens. It's not NF T's or

493
00:31:04,020 --> 00:31:09,510
whatever they are. And, but it
is, it is a use that we can't

494
00:31:09,510 --> 00:31:11,400
think of a better way of doing
it right now.

495
00:31:12,450 --> 00:31:15,570
But you know, that's a good,
that's a really good way to say

496
00:31:15,570 --> 00:31:21,270
it, because what I was hearing,
I'll talk I'll give my opinion

497
00:31:21,270 --> 00:31:28,500
on the atom thing first, because
Adam, Adam, and RSS. You know,

498
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:35,310
the atom did solve a problem. It
was I'm really, I'm very much

499
00:31:35,310 --> 00:31:40,020
resisting the the urge to say a
better format, because I think

500
00:31:40,020 --> 00:31:43,950
that word is just not accurate.
It's loaded. It's just not fair.

501
00:31:44,430 --> 00:31:49,350
But so the difference. To me,
the main difference between Adam

502
00:31:49,380 --> 00:31:59,040
and RSS is that Adam is more
opinionated about the basics in

503
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:04,920
a way that gives you a spec that
is easier to consume in a in a

504
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,730
sane way. You know, I'll give
you I'll give you some specific,

505
00:32:09,030 --> 00:32:13,320
specific reasons for that. One
of the biggest weaknesses of RSS

506
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:18,660
2.0, and I'm talking about this
purely from a consumer from an

507
00:32:18,660 --> 00:32:23,640
aggregator standpoint, one of
RSS is big 221 is biggest

508
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:29,580
weaknesses. Is that Is not it
does not specify clearly enough.

509
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:36,960
What the required, excuse me, is
not the spec. It's, it does not

510
00:32:37,170 --> 00:32:43,110
have enough required base level
tags. So, you know, just looking

511
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:47,910
at the spec itself. So for an
episode, okay. In the spec, it

512
00:32:47,910 --> 00:32:53,010
says, at the item level, all
elements of an item are

513
00:32:53,010 --> 00:32:57,540
optional. However, at least one
of title or description must be

514
00:32:57,540 --> 00:33:03,570
present. So you can literally
have an RSS 2.0. item, item

515
00:33:03,870 --> 00:33:07,080
block. Yeah, it only has a title
in it.

516
00:33:07,140 --> 00:33:12,840
Yeah. That was only and I know
why he did that. Because why?

517
00:33:13,170 --> 00:33:17,580
Because he understood Twitter,
before Twitter was Twitter.

518
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,270
The problem though, is you can't
track that.

519
00:33:21,659 --> 00:33:24,539
Oh, I know. I'm not saying I'm
not saying it was right. But I

520
00:33:24,539 --> 00:33:25,379
know why he did it.

521
00:33:25,949 --> 00:33:31,349
Yeah. So you can't like imagine
a feed. Imagine an RSS feed that

522
00:33:31,349 --> 00:33:38,789
has 3000 items in it. All of
which have only a title.

523
00:33:39,389 --> 00:33:42,239
Yeah, no GUI, no link, no,
nothing unique, right?

524
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:47,369
And every title is exactly the
same string of text. Right? You

525
00:33:47,369 --> 00:33:50,939
cannot you can't that's
untrackable you don't know if

526
00:33:50,939 --> 00:33:54,419
somebody deletes 1000 of them?
Which 1000 do you delete? I

527
00:33:54,419 --> 00:33:58,709
mean, like, you have no idea
what this that's, that's part of

528
00:33:58,709 --> 00:34:02,969
the issue with RSS. And so
that's when with Adam, you get

529
00:34:02,969 --> 00:34:06,869
more sane base level required
tag requirements that allow

530
00:34:06,869 --> 00:34:13,919
consumers of the feed to hand to
to handle it properly. So that

531
00:34:13,949 --> 00:34:18,479
that to me like that, oh, this
whole thing of ours is 2.0 this

532
00:34:18,479 --> 00:34:23,789
this lack of base level required
tags has been just a fight

533
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,770
for forever, forever, forever.
Forever. I've heard it so many

534
00:34:28,770 --> 00:34:29,310
times.

535
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,890
Yeah, it's uh, but so then if
you what I think with Chris,

536
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:41,010
what he did he he's looking he
thinks about web sub, you know,

537
00:34:41,460 --> 00:34:45,120
to him in this, I think a lot of
people are like this in the in

538
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,420
the spec world. It's like, Oh,
well, there's already a spec for

539
00:34:48,420 --> 00:34:52,140
that. Right. Right. But, you
know, sometimes the spec

540
00:34:52,140 --> 00:34:53,940
doesn't, doesn't fit the use

541
00:34:53,939 --> 00:34:55,949
case doesn't take off for
whatever reason.

542
00:34:56,459 --> 00:34:59,339
Yeah. Now web sub has you could
say I don't know if you could

543
00:34:59,339 --> 00:35:03,539
say that. It's taken A lot of
people use it. But the problem

544
00:35:03,539 --> 00:35:07,139
with web sub, and I've gone now
said this a million times. But

545
00:35:07,139 --> 00:35:12,689
the problem was scribing. Yes,
for podcast is the problem with

546
00:35:12,689 --> 00:35:20,219
web sub is scale. Web sub cannot
scale in a way that in a way

547
00:35:20,219 --> 00:35:24,029
that doesn't make a lot of
things fall down. It's the scale

548
00:35:24,359 --> 00:35:28,019
on paper website looks like a
great protocol. And it is a

549
00:35:28,019 --> 00:35:32,909
great protocol. It's a great
spec. But if you're if you're

550
00:35:32,909 --> 00:35:37,649
talking about subscribing to
5000 feeds, it works perfectly

551
00:35:37,649 --> 00:35:40,559
or even 25,000 feeds it works
perfectly. When you're talking

552
00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:46,049
about subscribing to 2 million
feeds. It come it just becomes a

553
00:35:46,049 --> 00:35:49,229
shit show. Only that is
perfectly

554
00:35:49,500 --> 00:35:54,330
because Google is in the middle
providing the massive lift. And

555
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:59,700
that's one of the bits that
scared me about it. Because you

556
00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:02,400
know, I've come from a
background I got into I got into

557
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,220
crypto when I got banned from
Facebook. There's no point going

558
00:36:05,220 --> 00:36:07,080
into why I was personally

559
00:36:07,079 --> 00:36:08,249
bad. Do you mean there's no
point

560
00:36:08,250 --> 00:36:11,010
and no, no, no, Dave? Don't
encourage him. There's no point.

561
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,800
Oh, yeah. Okay. No, I can say
all right, so I was running.

562
00:36:14,130 --> 00:36:14,790
Facebook. Yeah,

563
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:16,560
yes. She's

564
00:36:17,340 --> 00:36:19,200
Wait, wait, wait. 123 boosts?

565
00:36:20,579 --> 00:36:24,509
Yeah, boost this, I was running
one of the biggest political

566
00:36:24,509 --> 00:36:27,839
Facebook pages in the UK, we
have more than a million

567
00:36:27,839 --> 00:36:31,409
followers on you know, with the
silly, silly numbers that

568
00:36:31,409 --> 00:36:38,669
Facebook gave you. And the the
guy who I was running it for is

569
00:36:38,669 --> 00:36:43,289
controversial. Let's just put it
that way. And we put out a video

570
00:36:43,289 --> 00:36:46,409
that attacked the BBC that
showed the BBC to be doing some

571
00:36:46,439 --> 00:36:50,309
very, very bad things. And 24
hours later with a press

572
00:36:50,309 --> 00:36:56,879
release, Facebook deleted the
page, deleted all, you know, all

573
00:36:56,879 --> 00:36:59,729
access to all the followers at
all. Obviously, they deleted the

574
00:36:59,729 --> 00:37:03,389
personal pages of all of the
people who had ever been admins

575
00:37:03,629 --> 00:37:10,199
on the page, which took out my
my page. And it was gone.

576
00:37:10,259 --> 00:37:13,529
Whoosh, whoosh. And, and they
actually told the press that it

577
00:37:13,529 --> 00:37:16,139
was because the page had called
for the beheading of people,

578
00:37:16,619 --> 00:37:19,979
which we had never done, and
there was no screenshot, and

579
00:37:19,979 --> 00:37:23,219
Facebook can get away with that.
And they told us the Daily Mail

580
00:37:23,219 --> 00:37:26,369
before they even canceled the
page. So I actually I saw the

581
00:37:26,369 --> 00:37:30,149
Daily Mail headline, and then
only about 20 minutes later did

582
00:37:30,149 --> 00:37:31,139
the page disappear.

583
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,900
So that's what that's when you
show up to work and the doors

584
00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:36,240
locked. And then you read in the
news that they shut the place

585
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:37,320
down or the school

586
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,880
burned down? Yeah, I got kicked
off following

587
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:46,830
that I read, you know, I really
got the message. You cannot rely

588
00:37:46,830 --> 00:37:51,480
on any of these, these these
platforms. So anything like it,

589
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,360
as soon as I see Google in the
middle of it, or Amazon or

590
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,840
Facebook or WhatsApp or any of
these people, it's like I run a

591
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,910
million miles. And, you know, I
know we all joke how many times

592
00:38:02,910 --> 00:38:07,440
I'm going to say hi, take a
drink. But Clive is something

593
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:12,570
weirdly different. Because the I
agree congri there's no company.

594
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:16,380
And that I think going forward,
you know if we're going to look

595
00:38:16,380 --> 00:38:20,640
at advertising as censorship,
well, you know, the weak spot of

596
00:38:20,820 --> 00:38:27,120
all media is going to be anybody
who has a masthead, anybody

597
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,960
who's got an LLC, a sign on the
door, a place where the where

598
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,140
the FBI can turn up with, with
sledgehammers one morning and

599
00:38:34,140 --> 00:38:35,430
steal the computers from me

600
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,480
that I think that you make a
really good point about Google

601
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:43,800
sort of being the thing that
props up website and the whole

602
00:38:43,860 --> 00:38:46,950
the whole website ecosystem
right now. I don't think that

603
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:52,440
that is I think that is a
critical, critical point.

604
00:38:52,620 --> 00:38:57,030
Because imagine, okay, let's
imagine that you have a really

605
00:38:57,900 --> 00:39:03,540
fairly popular podcast. And
let's, let's just say you're

606
00:39:03,540 --> 00:39:07,620
running it on your web, on your
power press your web, web, what

607
00:39:07,620 --> 00:39:11,070
am I talking about WordPress
server. And, you know, it's got

608
00:39:11,070 --> 00:39:16,200
a power press has webs are baked
into it. Let's just all of a

609
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:20,550
sudden, let's say that you get
you go from, you know, 300

610
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:26,970
subscribers to, I don't know,
let's just say 250,000. So now,

611
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:33,750
your web, your WordPress box,
has to send web subscriptions

612
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:38,580
for 250,000 subscribers. That's
not gonna happen. You know, and

613
00:39:38,580 --> 00:39:41,550
you can't cash it. You can't
cash it. It's got to be live.

614
00:39:41,550 --> 00:39:44,580
It's got to be reachable. It's
just that's what I'm saying is

615
00:39:44,580 --> 00:39:48,210
the scale the scale may it makes
that that protocol untenable. If

616
00:39:48,210 --> 00:39:48,570
anyone

617
00:39:48,570 --> 00:39:51,360
is interested in what we're
talking about pod ping can be

618
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:57,510
watched at pod ping dot watch.
It is fascinating to see every

619
00:39:57,540 --> 00:39:59,970
Gosh, I guess it's every 10
seconds. Right with the block.

620
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,810
dates you just see that three or
three seconds oh it seems like

621
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,470
okay three second block well
then I'm getting I'm getting

622
00:40:07,470 --> 00:40:09,450
something here we go boom
another one's just about 10

623
00:40:09,450 --> 00:40:14,460
seconds in between and it's just
a fantastic view of podcasts

624
00:40:14,460 --> 00:40:19,380
that have been updated now is
this purely from the external

625
00:40:19,380 --> 00:40:23,040
pings? Are we doing internals
now as well? Or where are we at

626
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,470
what is this showing these is
only showing people who are

627
00:40:25,470 --> 00:40:29,730
clearly exiting purely external
and so we still don't have

628
00:40:29,730 --> 00:40:31,770
anchor participating obviously.

629
00:40:32,579 --> 00:40:37,289
The one the host that I want to
get on pod ping, there's nothing

630
00:40:37,289 --> 00:40:40,559
brown would agree Yes, Lipson.
Definitely lips and what

631
00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:42,329
the fuck is wrong with you
Lipson.

632
00:40:43,019 --> 00:40:47,939
Sorry, listen, save the world.
save the world. Now, because the

633
00:40:47,939 --> 00:40:50,879
energy you know that that's the
other thing and I am not a

634
00:40:50,879 --> 00:40:54,479
greeny though I did dry I drove
an electric car. Five years it

635
00:40:54,479 --> 00:40:54,659
was

636
00:40:54,660 --> 00:40:57,420
another scam. I'm yours with
these damn replaceable

637
00:40:57,420 --> 00:41:00,390
batteries. Another another
failed adventure Brian.

638
00:41:00,990 --> 00:41:01,920
It was cool.

639
00:41:02,250 --> 00:41:06,120
It was cool. I met but now
you're in the paddleboard game

640
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:07,170
so that's exactly

641
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:15,150
now I saw all that stuff. But if
you know this, it's censorship.

642
00:41:15,180 --> 00:41:18,180
I'm trying to get around
censorship always. So how can we

643
00:41:18,180 --> 00:41:22,470
censor hive? The truth is we
can't stop anybody pod pinging

644
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,970
we can choose whose pod pings to
ignore Yeah, if you do that.

645
00:41:26,970 --> 00:41:30,540
Yeah, that's it. It's
permissionless it's permission

646
00:41:30,570 --> 00:41:32,820
Anyone? Anyone can jump in so
forth.

647
00:41:33,150 --> 00:41:37,680
Yeah, beautiful. It is truly a
thing of beauty.

648
00:41:38,730 --> 00:41:43,350
Oh yeah, I mean if Lipson would
get on board I would love to

649
00:41:43,350 --> 00:41:46,050
have a cast on board. The those
guys

650
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,920
Stacy's over there now isn't
she? Yeah, okay, so I should

651
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:50,430
make it happen.

652
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:55,590
Like there's there's about
SoundCloud Oh God, I would love

653
00:41:55,590 --> 00:41:58,470
to have SoundCloud doing doing
pod bank because they're,

654
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,200
they're a pain in the butt to do

655
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,390
and if this was really this pod,

656
00:42:03,420 --> 00:42:06,270
this SoundCloud does anybody
even know anybody that works at

657
00:42:06,270 --> 00:42:09,300
SoundCloud Is it one of the is
it just a black box or does

658
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:14,250
you know they got they were
bought a long time ago who

659
00:42:14,250 --> 00:42:18,000
bought them I forgot who bought
them and that's when they

660
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,850
announced they were doing RSS
feeds and but they've they've

661
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,460
you know they're always going to
kind of be the thing where you

662
00:42:23,460 --> 00:42:27,600
put your music up and and people
comment on I don't know maybe

663
00:42:28,530 --> 00:42:29,010
they well

664
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:34,860
Brian to talk about the the Rube
Goldberg machine that is the

665
00:42:34,860 --> 00:42:37,410
hive to lightning gate.
Lightning

666
00:42:37,410 --> 00:42:39,900
Bolt Hold on a second hold on
let me get ready for you Brian.

667
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,870
I wanted to know I need I need
Adam Curry to purses. I've got

668
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:50,010
high power button

669
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,320
do we have this Do I have a
jingle that is that is just that

670
00:42:55,620 --> 00:43:02,550
you can do it I just thought I
had that screen and I

671
00:43:02,550 --> 00:43:07,230
should have had that let me go
No.

672
00:43:08,820 --> 00:43:13,770
Yeah, okay so that what I put in
place you know at first I sort

673
00:43:13,770 --> 00:43:17,010
of I looked at the lightning and
I thought what is this? If

674
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,660
lightning is the Rube Goldberg
machine because I can send I did

675
00:43:21,660 --> 00:43:27,660
say yes but I've been able to
send any amount of hives that I

676
00:43:27,660 --> 00:43:31,950
want which you know some of it's
even denominated in US dollars i

677
00:43:31,950 --> 00:43:35,670
can send it anywhere in the
world without worrying about how

678
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:39,630
many channels I've got open and
we're where the beads are on the

679
00:43:39,630 --> 00:43:42,930
abacus. I mean really think
about my Abacus

680
00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:46,589
man I'm letting you go Brian go
ahead man. We can take I can

681
00:43:46,589 --> 00:43:49,529
take a few more hands it's good.
You hit us with them come on.

682
00:43:50,369 --> 00:43:50,969
Bring it bring

683
00:43:50,970 --> 00:43:54,090
me right No, no, I'm good. I'm
you're gonna like the payback.

684
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:58,890
But I did after after looking at
it really carefully because

685
00:43:58,890 --> 00:44:02,310
that's the point is that you
can't dismiss these technologies

686
00:44:02,310 --> 00:44:06,150
that so many people have worked
on for so long, you know, you're

687
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:08,760
not doing yourself a disservice
if you just dismiss them out of

688
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,870
hand. So by looking at it
closely, I realized it can do

689
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:16,320
something which hive really
can't do and which very few

690
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,580
other kryptos have managed which
is this spinning up of anonymous

691
00:44:20,580 --> 00:44:24,660
small wallet really easily to
get whether they're custodial or

692
00:44:24,660 --> 00:44:27,840
noncustodial It doesn't matter.
You get a thing on your phone

693
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,630
and you have 20,000 SATs in it
which is an amount of money that

694
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:35,640
anybody with $1,000 iPhone
doesn't care about Okay, you

695
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,420
know if you're carrying about a
20,000 SATs on your iPhone, you

696
00:44:39,420 --> 00:44:42,720
shouldn't be building the iPhone
right? And you know, that's a

697
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:48,390
good point. Yeah, we can all we
all but having these little

698
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:52,680
wallets that you can make these
micro payments out of that cool

699
00:44:52,830 --> 00:44:54,090
and they're anonymous, which is

700
00:44:54,090 --> 00:44:57,840
a good point. I never thought
that that is that is as a USP

701
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,320
for lightning, but I see exactly
what you're saying. Yeah I guess

702
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:02,580
so I guess so

703
00:45:02,609 --> 00:45:07,229
because because one of the costs
within hive hive carries quite a

704
00:45:07,229 --> 00:45:11,579
high cost to create an account
because you've got to have I

705
00:45:11,579 --> 00:45:14,639
mean an internal sort of cost
it's mostly hidden from the

706
00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:15,089
users

707
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,450
I know I know what you need yeah
you need high

708
00:45:20,519 --> 00:45:28,109
you actually do you do and I got
enough I know now but that

709
00:45:28,109 --> 00:45:30,929
that's always been the
onboarding problem for hi so

710
00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:34,289
this thing of having all what
you've built so far with the

711
00:45:34,289 --> 00:45:38,969
value for value with apps able
to have wallets with small

712
00:45:38,969 --> 00:45:42,629
amounts you know with with with
pocket money in them and to just

713
00:45:42,629 --> 00:45:46,289
send that out that works really
well but on the receiving side

714
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:50,159
is where I think pi bring
something new to the party

715
00:45:50,159 --> 00:45:55,889
because you know, once I got my
own little umbral, Raspberry Pi

716
00:45:55,889 --> 00:45:58,889
umbral node running and stuff
and I went through like it took

717
00:45:58,889 --> 00:46:02,369
me more than 10 days to
synchronize it it's better now

718
00:46:03,389 --> 00:46:07,319
that is you know it's that's
that's not gonna happen I know

719
00:46:07,319 --> 00:46:10,379
you dream of everybody having
their own node Adam but it's

720
00:46:10,379 --> 00:46:11,699
really a my you

721
00:46:11,699 --> 00:46:18,509
really don't know me Brian. I've
really given up on that dream. I

722
00:46:18,509 --> 00:46:21,689
know I just I know what will
happen eventually but it's gonna

723
00:46:21,689 --> 00:46:22,289
be a while.

724
00:46:23,099 --> 00:46:26,189
I mean, I'm just really proud
that when I told my kid

725
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:31,139
yesterday that to the day before
that twitch had been hacked and

726
00:46:31,139 --> 00:46:33,899
I said he needs to change his
password he wrote back said I

727
00:46:33,899 --> 00:46:37,829
already know and his password is
in one password so I'm teaching

728
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:41,039
my kids well but the rest of my
family they haven't got a clue

729
00:46:41,039 --> 00:46:44,519
what password sanity you know,
safety is they're all using the

730
00:46:44,519 --> 00:46:48,029
same passwords on everything.
And these people are not going

731
00:46:48,029 --> 00:46:51,449
to be running their own
lightning nodes. So for that,

732
00:46:51,869 --> 00:46:55,829
and hive is not perfect, but it
is a lot easier to receive stuff

733
00:46:55,829 --> 00:46:59,009
because you can go to bed at
night without a computer in your

734
00:46:59,009 --> 00:47:02,489
house running and you can just
receive Hi, so what I've built

735
00:47:02,699 --> 00:47:04,709
is just that little bridge it
takes some lightning that

736
00:47:04,709 --> 00:47:08,579
arrives on my node and I
immediately pay it out as hype

737
00:47:08,909 --> 00:47:14,429
and that works I've got a lot of
work to do on scaling but it

738
00:47:14,429 --> 00:47:15,299
works for now.

739
00:47:16,350 --> 00:47:18,000
It's go ahead dude.

740
00:47:18,449 --> 00:47:24,119
Yeah, one of the things that
makes me sort of one thing that

741
00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:27,599
makes me happy about this whole
thing is the three speak stuff

742
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:33,869
Yeah, because that is truly a an
onboard like you can This is me

743
00:47:33,899 --> 00:47:34,409
it

744
00:47:34,410 --> 00:47:38,820
makes a massive edit massive
onboarding. Yeah massive are

745
00:47:38,820 --> 00:47:42,120
people aware people aware Okay,

746
00:47:42,389 --> 00:47:44,969
I'll tell you why I tell you
what's being built

747
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,130
seems seems like we need to help
with some marketing or

748
00:47:47,130 --> 00:47:49,110
something. Yeah,

749
00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:50,550
this is part of

750
00:47:50,550 --> 00:47:52,890
it. We don't need to help
anybody with marketing but

751
00:47:54,540 --> 00:47:57,330
hey, you know I'm the pod father
I can appear

752
00:47:58,050 --> 00:48:02,370
Yeah, call people ugly mind the
scenes three speaker doing a

753
00:48:02,370 --> 00:48:07,110
huge amount of work on on
backend stuff, which is to make,

754
00:48:07,410 --> 00:48:12,150
which is to incentivize sport,
mass storage, and a kind of

755
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:16,830
content delivery network. And
they're going to build a token

756
00:48:16,830 --> 00:48:21,720
system and that just it's really
clever, but they're really

757
00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:26,310
focused on that. But I have got
a little bit of resources with

758
00:48:26,310 --> 00:48:31,710
them to just turn them into what
I think they can be immediately

759
00:48:31,860 --> 00:48:36,510
which is the first video podcast
hopes yes in years yeah, cuz

760
00:48:36,510 --> 00:48:41,160
nobody's done it. YouTube.
YouTube used to be and I

761
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,910
remember the earliest days of
YouTube I put up a video of Ann

762
00:48:44,910 --> 00:48:47,910
Coulter that got millions of
millions of hits, you know

763
00:48:47,910 --> 00:48:52,470
stolen from the BBC. Of course.
It used to have RSS feeds for

764
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:58,020
your videos, right? I remember
and, and I've put RSS feeds into

765
00:48:58,020 --> 00:49:01,800
three speak. Now the bit that's
just on the verge of being

766
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,430
published is a back end which
will all it's really simple all

767
00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:08,880
it will do is let the channel
owners set the podcast title the

768
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:14,280
description, and you know, an
iTunes Apple compliant and, and

769
00:49:14,340 --> 00:49:17,490
people there don't understand
why I'm going so nuts to say it

770
00:49:17,490 --> 00:49:19,200
has to be Apple compliant.

771
00:49:19,289 --> 00:49:22,859
Here's the question. Here's a
weird question. So what if

772
00:49:22,919 --> 00:49:26,459
someone posts a new sensor in
hive land anyway? someone posts

773
00:49:26,459 --> 00:49:30,449
a new video on three speak.
Shouldn't it just basically hit

774
00:49:30,449 --> 00:49:34,379
pod ping and pod ping? Oh, go?
Oh, cause I don't have you.

775
00:49:34,409 --> 00:49:36,449
You're now in the database.
That's how it works.

776
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:41,520
It does. Yeah. Right now I've
got a Lenovo t 530

777
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:45,030
laptop stop trying to impress me
Stop trying to impress me.

778
00:49:45,690 --> 00:49:49,740
It's running Ubuntu. And it just
sits at my parents house. And it

779
00:49:49,740 --> 00:49:52,590
watches the hive blockchain
every time it sees a new post by

780
00:49:52,590 --> 00:49:56,460
three speak it turns it into a
pod. So that's because we tried

781
00:49:56,460 --> 00:49:58,950
to find in the source code. It
was easy now

782
00:49:58,950 --> 00:50:01,800
is this a do you think? is a
good long term permanent

783
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:09,360
solution. Just asking because
the thing is Brian, Brian, I

784
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,020
have to I have to say, I'm
fucking with you because you are

785
00:50:13,020 --> 00:50:17,580
exactly like me in that regard.
Dave. Dave can attest to it. I'm

786
00:50:17,580 --> 00:50:21,810
exactly that way. I got a laptop
and it's running and it's doing

787
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,720
its bridging this but it can't
be unplugged because the battery

788
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:29,820
dies in 10 seconds. You're like
me so I'm laughing with you at

789
00:50:29,820 --> 00:50:31,020
myself believe me.

790
00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:35,729
I absolutely know and listen my
first computer was the xetex 81

791
00:50:35,789 --> 00:50:37,739
I think I said exceed 80

792
00:50:37,740 --> 00:50:42,330
yeah the ad no yeah, you know
why?

793
00:50:42,989 --> 00:50:45,779
Yes. Why you gotta have handlers
that's why you have handlers I

794
00:50:45,779 --> 00:50:47,579
mean Adams handler Gates

795
00:50:47,580 --> 00:50:54,360
is a chaperone we do this it's
completely it's completely true

796
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:55,800
escorted me through a Dave

797
00:50:58,289 --> 00:50:59,009
you know what

798
00:50:59,699 --> 00:51:05,189
we needed so not but now we need
I mean, the missing link is

799
00:51:05,219 --> 00:51:09,029
we're nice we're not here's what
we really need if I can just say

800
00:51:09,029 --> 00:51:11,669
it'd be easy and you could sink
your teeth into this Brian you

801
00:51:11,669 --> 00:51:15,059
could do this is you ready? You
want me to tell you what you

802
00:51:15,059 --> 00:51:20,789
should be doing you sir Brian of
London in Israel you should be

803
00:51:20,789 --> 00:51:25,049
building the three speak video
app

804
00:51:25,590 --> 00:51:26,790
and doing it

805
00:51:27,269 --> 00:51:29,219
okay and it was great having you
on the show

806
00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:33,869
but it's got to run it can't be
running on a Lenovo laptop No

807
00:51:33,869 --> 00:51:34,079
no,

808
00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:39,030
no it has to it has to be in
anyone will jump in to help but

809
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:41,970
we need a way to just make a web
app don't don't fuck around with

810
00:51:41,970 --> 00:51:42,810
anything else

811
00:51:43,289 --> 00:51:46,139
now but this is the beauty of
what you've built so far we

812
00:51:46,139 --> 00:51:49,529
don't need it because the apple
This is why I have to get back

813
00:51:49,529 --> 00:51:53,579
to why I'm I'm going nuts making
them more comply with Apple's

814
00:51:53,849 --> 00:51:58,679
podcast requirements is because
our video app is the podcast app

815
00:51:58,799 --> 00:52:04,049
in Apple which is unblockable
it's not going to be taken off

816
00:52:04,049 --> 00:52:09,059
the iPhone store and and it's
gonna be every one of the web to

817
00:52:09,059 --> 00:52:12,899
face is going to be every one of
the podcasting 2.0 apps I want I

818
00:52:12,899 --> 00:52:16,769
want everything everywhere. So I
don't I mean if

819
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:19,950
I can just make if I can just
make a thing just make a

820
00:52:19,950 --> 00:52:28,950
recommendation. People have been
trained to interact with video

821
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:34,320
differently and I'm always
surprised when I hear someone

822
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:38,400
say particularly around here you
know a lot of people very sick

823
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,330
and tired of Silicon Valley. So
I don't watch the YouTube

824
00:52:42,330 --> 00:52:47,640
anymore I watched bits you so
and they're using bits shoot to

825
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:50,790
you know, look at other things
and surf around and to them that

826
00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:54,450
is not a podcast app. And
podcasting is a whole different

827
00:52:54,450 --> 00:52:58,470
app even though it could be all
the same thing. I believe that

828
00:52:58,500 --> 00:53:02,970
that will happen. But if there
was one dedicated app that only

829
00:53:02,970 --> 00:53:07,680
showed three speak.tv and had a
wallet in there and had a whole

830
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:12,630
front to back mechanism I think
it would be fucking killer and

831
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:14,520
that would take people to three
speak

832
00:53:14,999 --> 00:53:19,229
yeah yeah now listen, I'm I'm
with you and it's a matter of

833
00:53:19,229 --> 00:53:22,409
the ocean that's that we're
trying to boil here. And

834
00:53:22,679 --> 00:53:25,319
now you're not listening to me.
You just need to find my

835
00:53:25,319 --> 00:53:26,279
commands.

836
00:53:26,670 --> 00:53:32,070
I have three speakers go you
know that they're working in the

837
00:53:32,070 --> 00:53:35,070
different direction which is to
incentivize backend storage

838
00:53:35,070 --> 00:53:38,250
because that's the other part
we're all looking at the guy who

839
00:53:38,490 --> 00:53:42,630
speak the guys at hive they're
looking how do we stop people

840
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:46,590
being taken off to the web right
and at the moment you know you

841
00:53:46,590 --> 00:53:49,770
you latched on to ipfs quite
early but it's a it's a

842
00:53:49,770 --> 00:53:50,520
catastrophe

843
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:54,990
we'd never if if it was meant to
be we would have done it because

844
00:53:54,990 --> 00:53:57,600
it's been in the freedom
controller for years it just

845
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,680
never had never had this we've
seen the failures with the with

846
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,190
the index download it's just a
lot of parts that can that can

847
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:08,160
mess up and quite honestly i
think you know, we're really

848
00:54:08,190 --> 00:54:13,200
ipfs is really the the the NFT
infrastructure of choice and

849
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,540
that's really what they're
focused on and you know, and the

850
00:54:15,540 --> 00:54:18,570
nice guys and everything who are
doing all that but I understand

851
00:54:18,570 --> 00:54:19,740
they got their focus on the end.

852
00:54:19,860 --> 00:54:24,270
dhts in general are just too
they're just too slow and narky

853
00:54:24,270 --> 00:54:26,010
for for this stuff. Yeah, yeah.

854
00:54:26,340 --> 00:54:29,460
Well, I've got some confidence
in what they're building but

855
00:54:29,460 --> 00:54:32,040
there's no point me You know,
I'm not the expert in what

856
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,670
they're they're building out but
but the goal here, the goal is

857
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:40,890
always decentralized, but not
crazy decentralized. So we're

858
00:54:40,890 --> 00:54:43,560
never going to store video on a
blockchain. That's ridiculous.

859
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,890
We know that. But we're going to
store all the indexing

860
00:54:46,890 --> 00:54:50,730
information on the hive
blockchain at the moment to tell

861
00:54:50,730 --> 00:54:54,030
you where to find stuff. And
that makes that makes a lot of

862
00:54:54,030 --> 00:54:58,260
sense. And it's a part of ipfs
that doesn't work well today and

863
00:54:58,260 --> 00:55:01,710
the other part of ipfs that's
just not There is incentivizing.

864
00:55:01,740 --> 00:55:04,980
And for that, that's another
part that blockchains bring,

865
00:55:04,980 --> 00:55:08,400
because you can do these micro
payments, you can reward people

866
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:13,020
for storing video of other
people's. And the point is to

867
00:55:13,020 --> 00:55:18,510
build these these communities as
you call them tribes. And that

868
00:55:18,630 --> 00:55:22,950
that then becomes powerful if if
you can get self incentivizing

869
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:27,480
communities really, really run
around a creator or a group of

870
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,300
creators. And that's the
direction they're going in. And

871
00:55:30,300 --> 00:55:33,840
I'm, I'm literally I'm bolting
this value for value stuff on

872
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,110
the side, but it's become very,
very popular. And a lot of

873
00:55:37,110 --> 00:55:41,100
people on hive are watching what
I'm building want to help and

874
00:55:41,100 --> 00:55:41,790
are helping.

875
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:46,830
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Happy ipfs
it's great, it would be fine for

876
00:55:46,830 --> 00:55:51,180
the enclosure. Like for storage,
it's just that some people are

877
00:55:51,180 --> 00:55:53,790
trying to deliver, like the seat
itself, and that kind of thing

878
00:55:53,790 --> 00:55:57,600
of rubbish. And I think that
takes it too far. It's, it's,

879
00:55:57,630 --> 00:56:01,050
it's great for distributed,
distributing, you know, big

880
00:56:01,050 --> 00:56:04,410
data, big blobs of data, but
it's just not, it's not a

881
00:56:04,410 --> 00:56:08,460
robust, fast solution for some
of these things. It's just, it

882
00:56:08,460 --> 00:56:13,860
just falls down. I think I think
what I think that's the that's

883
00:56:13,860 --> 00:56:16,560
the thing about, that's another
thing about blockchain,

884
00:56:17,010 --> 00:56:22,080
blockchain technology is
something that's relatively new.

885
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,290
And so back when a lot of these
protocols were developed, things

886
00:56:25,290 --> 00:56:29,370
like, like pub sub hubbub, and a
lot of these, these older

887
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:34,320
protocols, old doesn't equal
bad. The only problem with with

888
00:56:34,380 --> 00:56:40,590
OLED is that sometimes it gets
supplanted by a new thing. For a

889
00:56:40,590 --> 00:56:47,100
use case, it's just better. So
for my black blockchains, they,

890
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:52,530
they have a limited use, but for
the things that they're good at,

891
00:56:52,740 --> 00:56:56,640
wow, they're really, really good
at that thing. And it's hard to

892
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,910
even compete with how good they
are at that thing. And

893
00:56:59,910 --> 00:57:03,120
blockchains didn't, you know,
didn't, for all intents and

894
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:07,020
purposes didn't exist in the
world in a usable way back when

895
00:57:07,020 --> 00:57:10,680
things like puffs of hubbub, and
these things were developed. So

896
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,740
give me some sometimes, yeah,
I'm a big proponent, we're

897
00:57:13,740 --> 00:57:18,240
extending RSS, I mean, I'm a big
proponent of, of the old does

898
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,840
not equal bad, and you take
something that works, and it

899
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:26,010
works well. And even if it's 20
years old, you just improve it

900
00:57:26,010 --> 00:57:28,740
and keep on going forward,
because it's stupid to try to

901
00:57:28,740 --> 00:57:32,490
reinvent the wheel. But there
are, there are certainly

902
00:57:32,490 --> 00:57:36,210
circumstances and I think, you
know, things like the hive

903
00:57:36,210 --> 00:57:42,390
blockchain that are fast, app
centric, blockchains, public

904
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:47,130
blockchains, that those things
can solve some problems that are

905
00:57:47,130 --> 00:57:50,670
very difficult to solve in other
ways. And I think in those in

906
00:57:50,670 --> 00:57:54,690
those instances, it makes a lot
of sense to take an older

907
00:57:54,690 --> 00:57:59,310
protocol in and just push it to
the side and replace it with

908
00:57:59,310 --> 00:58:02,580
something new that is native to
that new technology. I think

909
00:58:02,580 --> 00:58:03,600
that makes a lot of sense.

910
00:58:04,409 --> 00:58:07,619
Well, the RSS thing, you know,
everything we're doing with

911
00:58:07,619 --> 00:58:11,849
podcast, podcasting is original
internet, it's pre Facebook,

912
00:58:11,849 --> 00:58:17,459
it's pre Google large, you know,
it's pre not pre Google, but pre

913
00:58:17,459 --> 00:58:24,119
the massive commercialization of
the internet. And that, that

914
00:58:24,119 --> 00:58:28,619
what that's so important, and
what I like about hive is in

915
00:58:28,619 --> 00:58:31,829
particular, which is not out
there in all the other projects,

916
00:58:31,949 --> 00:58:36,209
it really isn't, is this this
thing of not being able to point

917
00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:39,119
at the owner, not even be able
to point at the Creator, the

918
00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:44,159
creators of all left you we've
got this group where where

919
00:58:44,159 --> 00:58:48,239
nobody can say, I don't think
there's a single owner over 3%

920
00:58:48,239 --> 00:58:53,219
that's no, and that's that, that
token distribution thing is very

921
00:58:53,219 --> 00:58:57,689
important for this to stop
censorship. As soon as you have

922
00:58:57,899 --> 00:59:02,609
a critical if you've got one
person who Oh, you know, what

923
00:59:02,609 --> 00:59:06,149
happens when vitalik when when
he comes under pressure? We

924
00:59:06,149 --> 00:59:09,329
don't know. And we don't know
what happens when the Ethereum

925
00:59:09,389 --> 00:59:14,699
foundation comes under pressure.
You know, I hope lightning

926
00:59:14,759 --> 00:59:19,079
avoids that but you know, things
like strike worry me because

927
00:59:19,859 --> 00:59:25,019
they they can be become too
large. And then then they become

928
00:59:25,019 --> 00:59:28,859
a critical point, which pressure
can be applied, you know, if so

929
00:59:28,859 --> 00:59:32,909
much of the liquidity is moving
around and strike. But we're

930
00:59:32,909 --> 00:59:34,289
getting too technical and deep.

931
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,790
Well, no, not at all. And I
think we were in we're in

932
00:59:38,790 --> 00:59:42,900
complete agreement with you and
every single piece every single

933
00:59:43,170 --> 00:59:46,350
custodial solution, of course,
there's there's all kinds of

934
00:59:46,350 --> 00:59:51,000
issues, but look at what we're
talking about. Now, right here

935
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,990
we we are talking. I mean, if
you just step back for a second,

936
00:59:55,170 --> 00:59:58,590
we're a bunch of goombazz and
we're talking about you know how

937
00:59:58,590 --> 01:00:02,280
we're using the currency That we
are intimately involved in,

938
01:00:02,460 --> 01:00:05,610
we're not talking about money,
we're talking about something

939
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:10,290
and a whole different plane. And
I'm not quite sure how to

940
01:00:10,710 --> 01:00:15,480
verbalize this. But it is
really, I mean, we are in an

941
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:20,100
incredibly beautiful place right
now when these are the issues is

942
01:00:20,100 --> 01:00:22,680
like how do we make our money
work with your money? This is

943
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:26,670
fucking cool. This is this is a
great time to it's a great time

944
01:00:26,670 --> 01:00:27,780
to be a podcaster.

945
01:00:28,500 --> 01:00:32,790
I mean, you know, I know running
everything on a laptop behind me

946
01:00:32,790 --> 01:00:37,740
is not tenable. And that's why
that you know that the, I put in

947
01:00:37,740 --> 01:00:41,640
a grant application on the
decentralized hi fund and I was

948
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:45,240
awarded it. And actually, the
bit that I really need the money

949
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:49,230
for is that I don't want to be
running the only hive to

950
01:00:49,230 --> 01:00:52,650
lightning bridge. I do not want
that because at some point the

951
01:00:52,650 --> 01:00:56,100
Israeli tax authorities will
show up here and as you know,

952
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:57,090
you know, right now,

953
01:00:57,270 --> 01:01:01,500
you're totally going to jail. I
mean, we know that you're

954
01:01:02,429 --> 01:01:06,809
actually they rounded up 26
people here this week. For a

955
01:01:06,809 --> 01:01:10,799
real scam, you know, proper.
Exactly.

956
01:01:10,889 --> 01:01:12,419
There's the door. Hey,

957
01:01:12,449 --> 01:01:16,799
so do you want to go on record
right now just in public? That

958
01:01:17,069 --> 01:01:17,519
you're

959
01:01:18,299 --> 01:01:20,399
not suicidal? I think that'd be
probably

960
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:25,080
Yeah, I do not like hot tubs and
I have no nothing to do with

961
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:25,440
general

962
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:29,010
aids, small, small aircraft.
General Aviation hot tubs do not

963
01:01:29,010 --> 01:01:32,100
go canoeing anywhere. This is
also deemed to have very

964
01:01:32,099 --> 01:01:36,239
unhealthy. Yes. yielding less
than booked for Sunday. Oh, no,

965
01:01:36,239 --> 01:01:36,449
you're

966
01:01:36,450 --> 01:01:40,200
going. All right. All right.
Hey, listen, can we talk to your

967
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:41,880
wife about running the Lenovo?

968
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:51,960
The point is, I'm going to
decentralize this. The whole

969
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,170
point is I want to write code
that I can put on GitHub, and

970
01:01:55,170 --> 01:01:58,470
anybody can run one of these
gateways. And then hive will

971
01:01:58,500 --> 01:02:01,800
will route the payments and sort
of share them out amongst

972
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,040
people. And very cool central
very cool.

973
01:02:08,369 --> 01:02:13,169
images may check Brian you are
your node your because you have

974
01:02:13,169 --> 01:02:19,259
two lightning nodes I see here.
You have I see a value v four v.

975
01:02:20,189 --> 01:02:23,849
And the pay dot v four v dot
app. Five something.

976
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,450
The one you need to use is
actually I've put up a GitHub

977
01:02:27,450 --> 01:02:34,050
page with my value block. So
I'll send that to you. That's

978
01:02:34,050 --> 01:02:35,100
the one to put in.

979
01:02:36,570 --> 01:02:41,550
Is it Oh 3966 I don't know. You
don't know your boss. You don't

980
01:02:41,550 --> 01:02:43,410
know your public ID by heart.

981
01:02:43,710 --> 01:02:46,440
It's like no one the first
because 60 characters is high.

982
01:02:47,070 --> 01:02:50,970
Because my hive username is
Brian of London, which you can

983
01:02:50,970 --> 01:02:51,420
type.

984
01:02:51,630 --> 01:02:54,780
Yeah, but when you type in, you
type in Brian of London, you

985
01:02:54,780 --> 01:02:57,900
immediately get Brian of London
hair salon. Texas. Yeah.

986
01:02:58,890 --> 01:03:05,340
Texas. He got there before me.
Got my brand of London name came

987
01:03:05,340 --> 01:03:08,370
and I was taken by surprise by a
lesbian. It's a law. You know,

988
01:03:08,670 --> 01:03:13,080
it was it was it was excuse me
to radio. I was doing right now.

989
01:03:13,259 --> 01:03:17,009
Hold on a second. Hold on. Hold
on a second. I think it's okay.

990
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:21,599
We had 45 minutes of hive now
equal airtime. 45 minutes for

991
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:26,369
the lesbian story. Brian of
London by surprise. It was taken

992
01:03:26,369 --> 01:03:29,609
by surprise and how he got his
name and go.

993
01:03:30,270 --> 01:03:34,320
So I was in America for a
conference. And it was a

994
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:38,610
political thing. And one of the
people that conference was a

995
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:40,560
radio host called Tammy

996
01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:43,649
Bruce doe. Yes. Tammy Bruce.
She's great.

997
01:03:44,099 --> 01:03:44,999
She is great.

998
01:03:46,110 --> 01:03:51,750
Can't wait to hear what happened
with just a very attractive

999
01:03:51,750 --> 01:03:53,430
woman, I should say very
attractive woman.

1000
01:03:53,850 --> 01:03:55,740
And very lesbian. Anyway.

1001
01:03:56,099 --> 01:03:57,059
Lesbian. Yes.

1002
01:03:57,119 --> 01:04:02,759
I didn't know that. But she she
was on a panel. And the panel

1003
01:04:02,759 --> 01:04:07,229
was discussing. I was discussing
censorship in Europe. And it was

1004
01:04:07,229 --> 01:04:10,799
discussing that I can't even
remember what but I I asked a

1005
01:04:10,799 --> 01:04:14,309
question from the audience. And
she thought it was a good

1006
01:04:14,309 --> 01:04:16,259
question, because then
afterwards, she came up and she

1007
01:04:16,259 --> 01:04:18,869
said, I'm doing my radio show
from the hotel later, do you

1008
01:04:18,869 --> 01:04:21,899
want to come on it? And I had no
idea who she was. I mean, you

1009
01:04:21,899 --> 01:04:26,969
know, and I also didn't at that
time, it was like 2004 or

1010
01:04:26,999 --> 01:04:30,929
something. I didn't kind of get
talk radio in the scale of it.

1011
01:04:31,589 --> 01:04:33,989
So I go up to one of the rooms
in the hotel

1012
01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:36,720
and she she has a pretty big
radio show. Actually, she's got

1013
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:37,680
quite well this was the

1014
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,380
point. I sat down in the chair
and I thought you know, this is

1015
01:04:40,380 --> 01:04:44,340
going out and 1000 people
whatever. And just as the light

1016
01:04:44,340 --> 01:04:49,080
is about to go on, she says to
me, so what should I call you?

1017
01:04:49,350 --> 01:04:52,440
And I had my real name and I and
there was no way I could use my

1018
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:56,610
real name and talk about what's
going to talk about it got back

1019
01:04:56,610 --> 01:05:01,170
to the UK problem with jobs and
all that sort of stuff. So I

1020
01:05:01,170 --> 01:05:05,160
said Brian which is my middle
name you know I'm out now my my

1021
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:09,630
identity is revealed I said
Brian and and she introduced me

1022
01:05:09,630 --> 01:05:17,310
as Brian of London that's my
blogging name very cool term and

1023
01:05:17,310 --> 01:05:21,900
then we got we got exactly as
you as you rail against you know

1024
01:05:21,900 --> 01:05:24,870
we got up against a hard break
and she said but she said this

1025
01:05:24,870 --> 01:05:27,300
is really interesting stay for
another stay for another segment

1026
01:05:27,300 --> 01:05:27,390
What

1027
01:05:27,389 --> 01:05:33,599
are you talking about hi she
said this is really interesting

1028
01:05:33,629 --> 01:05:34,409
oh my god

1029
01:05:35,429 --> 01:05:38,549
David Irving being arrested in
Austria

1030
01:05:39,750 --> 01:05:44,400
okay God speech issue oh she
loves this yeah she loves that

1031
01:05:45,929 --> 01:05:49,079
so and then I made the mistake
just before the light went on

1032
01:05:49,079 --> 01:05:52,199
again I said so how many people
are listening she said Oh no,

1033
01:05:52,199 --> 01:05:55,649
it's the weekend show is not
very many one maybe one and a

1034
01:05:55,649 --> 01:06:04,109
half million talks and I
suddenly oh my god and but

1035
01:06:04,109 --> 01:06:06,779
anyway that was and and it was
actually after that experience

1036
01:06:06,779 --> 01:06:09,719
that I started getting into
blogging and eventually into

1037
01:06:09,719 --> 01:06:10,889
podcasting and

1038
01:06:11,010 --> 01:06:17,340
Oh, hold on a second so the
lesbian part was really just it

1039
01:06:17,340 --> 01:06:19,440
was a little bit of a jib story
but

1040
01:06:20,639 --> 01:06:24,179
I could have said a lesbian with
a gun because at the time she

1041
01:06:24,179 --> 01:06:27,779
was branding herself as a
Democrat lesbian with a gun but

1042
01:06:27,779 --> 01:06:29,669
I think she's given up on the
democrat bit

1043
01:06:30,090 --> 01:06:32,970
oh that's interesting I don't
remember her the democrat

1044
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:33,960
lesbian with a gun

1045
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,440
oh yeah go go back she's she's
she was

1046
01:06:37,469 --> 01:06:41,789
out say she's doing more for
women than most women. She She

1047
01:06:41,789 --> 01:06:45,869
mentors a lot of women in news
and is making sure they don't

1048
01:06:45,869 --> 01:06:48,779
get screwed over she does she's
good I like Hershey's goodbye

1049
01:06:48,779 --> 01:06:49,139
like

1050
01:06:49,769 --> 01:06:53,969
I've always followed her and
like what she does but yeah,

1051
01:06:53,969 --> 01:06:56,819
that was my that was my
introduction to sort of speaking

1052
01:06:56,849 --> 01:07:01,079
live and it was it was it was a
drug I enjoyed it

1053
01:07:01,349 --> 01:07:06,929
Ah yes he's hooks that's what is
your cue to boost you know you

1054
01:07:06,929 --> 01:07:09,449
want to show you Thanks some
people Dave

1055
01:07:09,929 --> 01:07:14,099
oh yeah yeah, absolutely we got
I've got make goods

1056
01:07:14,429 --> 01:07:15,029
makers

1057
01:07:15,809 --> 01:07:16,289
yes

1058
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:17,970
some don't

1059
01:07:18,780 --> 01:07:22,140
yeah screwed up Karen downs
donation from last week is only

1060
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:26,700
was able to find like he had
marked him like 124344 and I was

1061
01:07:26,700 --> 01:07:32,460
only able to read three and four
because I forgot that I had I

1062
01:07:32,460 --> 01:07:34,950
had my sheets printed I forgot
they were double sided so

1063
01:07:35,010 --> 01:07:40,230
Oh no. Yes. And by the way, I
noticed maybe two days ago or

1064
01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:42,810
three days ago in the first
thing now here's what I do in

1065
01:07:42,810 --> 01:07:46,470
the morning everybody the phone
is on for the first time I try

1066
01:07:46,470 --> 01:07:50,430
it's not the first thing I do
with when I look at the phone. I

1067
01:07:50,430 --> 01:07:55,770
always go to Zeus wallet to make
sure that the wheel is still

1068
01:07:55,770 --> 01:07:59,100
spinning so if I don't see a
Satoshi is coming in at least

1069
01:07:59,100 --> 01:08:02,100
within the last minute or two
then it's time to troubleshoot

1070
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:06,030
calorie balance that Adam The
next thing I do is open up Zeus

1071
01:08:06,030 --> 01:08:09,570
because I liked the way it looks
and I looked at our channels and

1072
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,330
I saw someone blew a wad through
a one of our

1073
01:08:12,329 --> 01:08:13,379
channels we're getting there

1074
01:08:14,490 --> 01:08:18,360
okay, I saw a total wad blown
through

1075
01:08:18,690 --> 01:08:21,300
yes yes there was where what
blueish and

1076
01:08:22,949 --> 01:08:23,819
glow Ridge

1077
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:29,580
yeah we is in Brian's Abacus
parlance somebody took the

1078
01:08:29,580 --> 01:08:32,880
abacus and just and just turned
it up in portrait mode wanting

1079
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:37,470
everything to once yeah
character for someone made good

1080
01:08:37,470 --> 01:08:41,910
from last week Karen down 25,000
SATs

1081
01:08:41,940 --> 01:08:43,410
on nice man. Thank you.

1082
01:08:43,500 --> 01:08:47,310
Yeah, he says as I received four
stunning booster Graham lounge

1083
01:08:47,340 --> 01:08:49,920
intros I'm compelled to return
with four booster Graham

1084
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:53,970
appreciations, thank you, Adam
truly next level and see, but

1085
01:08:53,970 --> 01:08:58,260
then he had another one he had
to have for another 25,000 SATs.

1086
01:08:58,620 --> 01:09:01,410
And he said, I'd really like to
give a special shout out to

1087
01:09:01,410 --> 01:09:05,040
Satoshi stream for everything
they have created. I don't hear

1088
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:08,190
them get mentioned too often.
But without them I wouldn't be

1089
01:09:08,190 --> 01:09:13,350
here right now. just totally I'd
add just now completed the final

1090
01:09:13,350 --> 01:09:16,860
value loop of withdrawing from
the node to reinvest back into

1091
01:09:16,860 --> 01:09:20,100
the booster gram economy.
Without them I wouldn't have a

1092
01:09:20,100 --> 01:09:22,860
chance in hell of participating
in this world due to my lack of

1093
01:09:22,860 --> 01:09:26,610
coding and technical knowledge.
I honestly feel guilty. They

1094
01:09:26,610 --> 01:09:30,900
took such a small cut only 6000
SATs out of 166,000 now

1095
01:09:30,900 --> 01:09:33,840
withdrew. What is that? They
take? 5%?

1096
01:09:34,230 --> 01:09:38,280
Yes, they they Yes, they do. And
they take 5% and then give one

1097
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:42,780
of those to us. colleague. Yeah,
no, there's in Thank you. That's

1098
01:09:42,780 --> 01:09:47,340
a very good point. Satoshi
stream Satoshi dot satoshis dot

1099
01:09:47,340 --> 01:09:53,940
stream was in the game so early
with the TLV notes but also the

1100
01:09:53,940 --> 01:09:57,720
whole concept which is a little
bit beyond me. I'm I am somewhat

1101
01:09:57,990 --> 01:10:01,590
Gen X Irish in that way is like
teller. GRAEME I got it I can

1102
01:10:01,590 --> 01:10:05,700
use it I do use it it's not my
thing. I don't interact with

1103
01:10:05,700 --> 01:10:08,760
bots I haven't set up my right i
mean for me the clue is I

1104
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:13,020
haven't set up my recipe Blitz
with a telegram bot so I know

1105
01:10:13,020 --> 01:10:20,160
that as like I'm not into it but
but but what they've done and

1106
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:24,930
how it functions and how it
works and is really it is the is

1107
01:10:24,930 --> 01:10:28,320
one of the most impressive
onboarding systems I've seen.

1108
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:35,310
And and I think it's a humungous
service positive service to have

1109
01:10:35,490 --> 01:10:38,700
people can stay with them
forever or they can use it as

1110
01:10:38,700 --> 01:10:42,060
just training wheels I think the
beauty part of it is because

1111
01:10:42,060 --> 01:10:45,090
you're already in the telegram
world there's help right there

1112
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:48,540
you know if you if something's
not not happening and that is

1113
01:10:48,570 --> 01:10:54,270
you're absolutely right kyron
not often not mentioned often

1114
01:10:54,270 --> 01:10:54,750
enough

1115
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:58,620
Yeah, he says really filled they
should be better known as the

1116
01:10:58,620 --> 01:11:02,100
booster grams are what has been
really drawn draw me in as a

1117
01:11:02,100 --> 01:11:06,570
podcaster right on Yeah,
totally. Yeah. Yeah, thanks

1118
01:11:06,570 --> 01:11:13,200
Karen. See and also during the
show last week, that I had

1119
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,960
pulled up on my screen and then
it got overlooked overlapped

1120
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:19,470
with my clip window. I forgot to
say it but during the show Alice

1121
01:11:19,470 --> 01:11:24,360
gates says 16,384 sets and he
said how do you like this love

1122
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:25,050
booster grant?

1123
01:11:26,819 --> 01:11:30,059
We love it we love it a week
later it's even better taste

1124
01:11:30,059 --> 01:11:30,959
just as good

1125
01:11:31,590 --> 01:11:35,550
I saw it I'm gonna read it live
and then a guy forgot

1126
01:11:36,660 --> 01:11:41,310
man I I stayed with the former
New York banker I went down

1127
01:11:41,340 --> 01:11:45,720
Monday night and we had some
dinner stayed at his house we

1128
01:11:45,780 --> 01:11:48,480
you know the first time since
we're not separated he stayed at

1129
01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:51,660
our house and I stayed at his
house it's kind of a it's a

1130
01:11:51,660 --> 01:11:52,230
thing

1131
01:11:52,530 --> 01:11:55,530
yeah I guess the the kids once
we know once a while

1132
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:59,730
yeah we took his son to school
in the morning Yeah, we did and

1133
01:11:59,730 --> 01:12:03,210
then we went on the boat we go
wake surfing, like like I mean

1134
01:12:03,210 --> 01:12:06,990
it's very privileged thing we're
doing here on Tuesday morning on

1135
01:12:06,990 --> 01:12:14,370
the lake but man key his seat so
he hates Bitcoin I mean he

1136
01:12:14,370 --> 01:12:18,180
hasn't even said that anymore
lightning and how it works and

1137
01:12:18,180 --> 01:12:22,680
the idea of the booster grams
and you know what we're going to

1138
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:28,140
be doing with the with the live
and he actually was like pay you

1139
01:12:28,140 --> 01:12:31,440
know how many partners in that
company? I said you dude no no

1140
01:12:32,910 --> 01:12:36,840
love you yeah no this this is
not how it works this is not yes

1141
01:12:36,870 --> 01:12:41,850
this like no no. Just the best
way you can help is to boost

1142
01:12:42,570 --> 01:12:45,870
yeah to get your big money out
there. Just for the boost.

1143
01:12:47,430 --> 01:12:52,170
Spencer hit us with a boost 4200
sets and he said awesome

1144
01:12:52,170 --> 01:12:56,010
appearance on hugs story Am I
thinking of sending a boost here

1145
01:12:56,010 --> 01:12:58,470
until we get the hugs fully
noted and receiving boosts?

1146
01:12:58,500 --> 01:13:01,650
We're working on him sir Spencer
and named DeLorean bowl after

1147
01:13:01,650 --> 01:13:02,610
bowl. Yeah,

1148
01:13:02,610 --> 01:13:05,160
I mean, someone should at least
be able to get them hooked up

1149
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:09,150
with Satoshi streams you know
just to know you don't have to

1150
01:13:09,150 --> 01:13:11,670
be fully noted you can always
change you can always change

1151
01:13:11,670 --> 01:13:14,760
your your your node ID

1152
01:13:15,450 --> 01:13:17,700
yeah that is always the hive
option

1153
01:13:17,730 --> 01:13:19,110
there is there there's a hive

1154
01:13:19,110 --> 01:13:22,800
option you get a hive account
you sign up with me and hive

1155
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:26,280
does the same thing I mean the
money goes straight in as hive

1156
01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:30,480
and you know there are ways to
convert it so it's another

1157
01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:31,950
option it'll it'll be more of a

1158
01:13:31,950 --> 01:13:35,010
conversion also happens with
Brian you see is very

1159
01:13:35,010 --> 01:13:36,870
interesting he'll converted for
you.

1160
01:13:37,410 --> 01:13:39,480
You can convert it or you can
power it up

1161
01:13:39,510 --> 01:13:41,310
you can power it for I mean

1162
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:46,170
have you looked at the how much
the How have you bought is now

1163
01:13:46,170 --> 01:13:51,630
worth they've no have more than
tripled since you bought it? No,

1164
01:13:51,630 --> 01:13:51,780
I'm

1165
01:13:51,780 --> 01:13:55,050
a millionaire now. quit the show
right now.

1166
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:56,820
The Lambo is on its way.

1167
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:04,950
The Lambo Yes. Mary Oscar,
excuse me Oscar Mary. He sent

1168
01:14:05,190 --> 01:14:12,000
7777 SATs. sevens, sevens, he
says, How much do I have to

1169
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:15,810
boost to get Adam to do a promo
for fountain in the Overlord

1170
01:14:15,810 --> 01:14:20,010
voice? The overlord? Oh, well,
you ditched it, you

1171
01:14:20,010 --> 01:14:23,190
know? Well, now there's good
news because I am testing out

1172
01:14:23,190 --> 01:14:28,830
the personas revelator I owe 24
today, and it has a god voice in

1173
01:14:28,830 --> 01:14:33,150
it. So what and I'll have it for
a few days, because I'm sure

1174
01:14:33,150 --> 01:14:37,110
it's going to go back but it
does have the god voice in it.

1175
01:14:37,110 --> 01:14:41,250
So send me some copy, man. Tell
me what you want me to say.

1176
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:44,070
Oh, he's got it right here. Oh,
he's got his copy here. He says

1177
01:14:44,430 --> 01:14:47,640
Apple podcast, ditch Spotify.
Listen on fountain, something

1178
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:48,030
like that.

1179
01:14:48,090 --> 01:14:51,120
I forward that to me. That's
cool. Don't do it. Of course. Of

1180
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:52,950
course. I'll do it commercial
for anybody.

1181
01:14:54,450 --> 01:14:58,800
See, who knows we owe anonymous
through breeze 17 176 SAS

1182
01:14:58,800 --> 01:14:59,970
17 7017

1183
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,310
76 Hello Neighbor ology Liberty
boost Liberty go

1184
01:15:05,700 --> 01:15:08,220
yeah go places go podcasting
anonymous yeah

1185
01:15:08,220 --> 01:15:09,420
Viola podcasting.

1186
01:15:13,259 --> 01:15:18,659
Okay so this is a response to
this this ongoing back and forth

1187
01:15:18,659 --> 01:15:24,929
between bill bill Prague and I
forget who he's conversing with

1188
01:15:24,929 --> 01:15:28,139
but he says Oh, here it is
Daniel. Between Daniel and Bill

1189
01:15:28,139 --> 01:15:34,049
Prague. Again I endorsed this
use of booster grams to fight

1190
01:15:34,049 --> 01:15:37,139
each other yeah with money yes a
duel on our show

1191
01:15:37,170 --> 01:15:39,870
yes yes this is we love fight.

1192
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:42,930
Yes, we just need to get them
the boost amount higher though

1193
01:15:42,989 --> 01:15:47,549
you're monetizing. hate your
terror? Yes, yes.

1194
01:15:48,450 --> 01:15:55,950
Oh my gosh called the ADL Brian.
You got him on speed dial to get

1195
01:15:56,010 --> 01:15:59,640
a good line more. That's a good
line we are. Let's just do it.

1196
01:15:59,670 --> 01:16:02,220
Just do it properly. I think
Brian is absolutely correct. And

1197
01:16:02,220 --> 01:16:05,160
now ladies and gentlemen, it's
time to monetize hate.

1198
01:16:06,750 --> 01:16:10,380
Daniel, thanks for the lightning
education sticking tongue out

1199
01:16:10,650 --> 01:16:15,120
emoji. That was the thanks for
the lightening education was

1200
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:15,690
enclosed.

1201
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:22,980
In archy bill is one of my hive
people because he's been buying

1202
01:16:22,980 --> 01:16:28,410
SATs on from my hive gateway.
And he's been streaming SATs

1203
01:16:28,470 --> 01:16:30,600
across the hive network as well.

1204
01:16:30,690 --> 01:16:34,710
I can I can see there's going to
be a need pretty soon for us to

1205
01:16:34,710 --> 01:16:39,870
have address books. Because if
I'm going to send a nasty boost

1206
01:16:39,870 --> 01:16:43,830
through a show, it'd be fun to
send send the same booster gram

1207
01:16:43,830 --> 01:16:44,670
to that person.

1208
01:16:45,510 --> 01:16:45,900
Yeah,

1209
01:16:46,469 --> 01:16:47,069
know what I mean.

1210
01:16:47,489 --> 01:16:51,749
I like to add to the drop
general purpose you know,

1211
01:16:51,839 --> 01:16:56,879
lightning node, alias address
book lookup thing. Oh,

1212
01:16:57,059 --> 01:17:00,029
that's what I put in place with
this new course

1213
01:17:00,030 --> 01:17:01,800
Of course it's already working
on hive.

1214
01:17:02,489 --> 01:17:05,699
Yep, exactly. All you need is
all you need is a Chrome

1215
01:17:05,699 --> 01:17:10,499
extension elda LDAP and a
lightning in a light coin

1216
01:17:10,619 --> 01:17:16,829
exchange oh god drip drip Scott
Okay, so here's the here's your

1217
01:17:18,089 --> 01:17:24,149
here's your wad here but drips
got 350,000 says

1218
01:17:25,350 --> 01:17:33,930
follow sakala 20 is blaze only
Impala wow a true sat streamer.

1219
01:17:36,060 --> 01:17:37,380
Wow.

1220
01:17:38,370 --> 01:17:39,150
American hero

1221
01:17:39,300 --> 01:17:42,570
yes he is a patriot What did he
say what did he what was this

1222
01:17:42,570 --> 01:17:43,440
message is booster.

1223
01:17:43,950 --> 01:17:48,840
It came through Curio caster in
the booster gram just says he

1224
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:52,230
just says booster Grand
Challenge accepted boost.

1225
01:17:52,410 --> 01:17:58,680
Ah man that was a mad that's
that's like gangsta and by the

1226
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:02,040
way we have that baller thing is
not in your in your package that

1227
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:10,170
is a mo fax jingle I'm already
illegally using it here the

1228
01:18:10,170 --> 01:18:13,320
booster Graham bits packages in
the show notes for today

1229
01:18:15,420 --> 01:18:20,190
so drip drip Scott is now on the
leaderboard and in the top of

1230
01:18:20,190 --> 01:18:21,570
the hour control

1231
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:26,670
drab now of course it's fun
because you know Drabek does he

1232
01:18:26,670 --> 01:18:29,160
does the chapters for pretty
much everything I've ever done

1233
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:33,300
in my life he is now he's he has
gone by now check this out with

1234
01:18:33,300 --> 01:18:37,890
the man has done he has gone
back and added chapters in the

1235
01:18:37,890 --> 01:18:41,430
RSS feed retro actively for
every single mo facts and he's

1236
01:18:41,430 --> 01:18:44,700
going to do it for every
podcasting 2.0 so that we have

1237
01:18:44,700 --> 01:18:48,540
all of those elements working
that we didn't have the

1238
01:18:48,540 --> 01:18:51,240
authoring tools for at the time
this is the kind of guy he is

1239
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:53,850
that's a lot of work.

1240
01:18:54,060 --> 01:18:58,620
Stop don't don't do daily source
code dread no

1241
01:19:00,810 --> 01:19:01,710
that's not gonna happen.

1242
01:19:03,060 --> 01:19:05,760
Thank god that's ridiculous.

1243
01:19:05,790 --> 01:19:07,710
Not only that, but proof.

1244
01:19:08,220 --> 01:19:10,920
Proof Yeah. Then we're stress
testing.

1245
01:19:11,010 --> 01:19:14,040
We are totally stressed. That is
unbelievable.

1246
01:19:14,220 --> 01:19:18,240
Oh arrow statica sent you know
he had sent 250,000

1247
01:19:18,269 --> 01:19:21,659
Yes, this is the war This is the
race this is the mano a mano is

1248
01:19:21,659 --> 01:19:22,379
happening here.

1249
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:27,720
And, you know, if we keep going
up by 100,000 each time 100,000

1250
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:30,180
sass each time, so I'm just
gonna break so

1251
01:19:30,780 --> 01:19:33,630
eventually we're going to reach
some kind of limit. Yeah,

1252
01:19:33,870 --> 01:19:40,380
Brian's the laptops gonna catch
on fire and his parents. Okay,

1253
01:19:40,740 --> 01:19:45,930
thank you drip spam. Let's see.
This is anonymous because this

1254
01:19:45,930 --> 01:19:50,250
is just like a weird spam
protection email address here

1255
01:19:50,610 --> 01:19:55,020
that came through pod friend and
it says, You guys got me hooked

1256
01:19:55,020 --> 01:19:57,960
on everything podcasting, 2.0
Bitcoin, lightning and humbrol.

1257
01:19:57,960 --> 01:19:59,970
Great work. All right was 100
set

1258
01:20:00,930 --> 01:20:08,340
Nice to see that I get emails
from from PR firms and

1259
01:20:08,340 --> 01:20:13,860
publicists who of course by
lists of podcasts that that you

1260
01:20:13,860 --> 01:20:17,730
know can interview their guests
and and i think i posted this on

1261
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:22,350
nogen The social.com is that now
we're seeing in these messages

1262
01:20:22,350 --> 01:20:27,480
you know you're this guest can
be heard everywhere you know on

1263
01:20:27,480 --> 01:20:32,340
podcast podcasting decks pod
friend was in there you know yes

1264
01:20:32,340 --> 01:20:35,700
all that yeah so we're starting
to you know, it's starting to

1265
01:20:35,730 --> 01:20:39,120
trickle out you know, when when
people are mentioning new apps

1266
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:42,180
that haven't been mentioned
before it's working new podcast

1267
01:20:42,180 --> 01:20:46,170
apps calm and be like James
Cridland tell people to get a

1268
01:20:46,170 --> 01:20:49,470
better podcast app at new
podcast apps calm

1269
01:20:50,100 --> 01:20:52,860
Yeah, that's a good little
thing. He does great run. Yeah.

1270
01:20:54,630 --> 01:20:59,850
There we got here we got another
anonymous through breeze app.

1271
01:20:59,850 --> 01:21:02,160
4000 SATs and she says go
podcasting.

1272
01:21:02,190 --> 01:21:05,580
Yeah, I hear you. We should go
podcasting. Go podcasting.

1273
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:12,570
Another Liberty boost of 1776
says started out with a boost

1274
01:21:12,570 --> 01:21:16,830
baby. That came through. Who did
that? Come through?

1275
01:21:18,030 --> 01:21:23,610
Check something here. Hold on.
I'm just I'm just finding that

1276
01:21:23,610 --> 01:21:26,310
is yes, I know exactly what that
is. I think it's your clip.

1277
01:21:26,730 --> 01:21:27,480
Yeah. Did

1278
01:21:27,480 --> 01:21:30,990
you remember who Who said it? Of
course. Michelle Obama.

1279
01:21:31,050 --> 01:21:32,670
Yes. Mike baller.

1280
01:21:34,260 --> 01:21:42,330
See? He was okay Jeff says this
is 4004 sets through the

1281
01:21:42,330 --> 01:21:45,390
fountain nap. He says this is
the initial donation to the Dave

1282
01:21:45,390 --> 01:21:49,230
Jones melatonin fund. That's
because I couldn't sleep last

1283
01:21:49,230 --> 01:21:54,300
night. Okay, there's actually
two boosts from Jeff for 4004

1284
01:21:54,300 --> 01:21:57,840
sets with the same message so
I'm guessing he may have held

1285
01:21:57,840 --> 01:21:59,550
down the machine gun boost

1286
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:04,950
and as a as a quick aside this
is so appreciated this all goes

1287
01:22:04,950 --> 01:22:08,520
into funding our liquidity as
well of the note I mean, this is

1288
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:14,430
so cool that we can now you know
open up bigger channels. The

1289
01:22:14,430 --> 01:22:17,610
system is beautiful. Thank you
for doing this. These boosts are

1290
01:22:17,610 --> 01:22:19,590
great. And

1291
01:22:20,340 --> 01:22:27,330
let's see we get okay Chad, Chad
Feroz and it's 3333 sets he says

1292
01:22:28,230 --> 01:22:31,680
they found he says set my sets
to five minutes excuse me five

1293
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:34,380
sets per minute instead of 50
cents per minute so this is to

1294
01:22:34,380 --> 01:22:38,700
make up the difference last
night was a fat fingered it yeah

1295
01:22:38,700 --> 01:22:42,390
nobody's auditing huge so you
don't have to make up Yeah, we

1296
01:22:42,390 --> 01:22:43,050
won't know.

1297
01:22:43,890 --> 01:22:44,160
No.

1298
01:22:46,770 --> 01:22:51,330
Okay and pod friend an anonymous
through pod friend. And that's

1299
01:22:51,330 --> 01:22:59,640
for 5217 sets and he says fatty
poop boost boost

1300
01:23:00,030 --> 01:23:01,590
we got the big poop boost

1301
01:23:03,540 --> 01:23:07,770
is this Oh sir bill through
fountain send us 1000 says he

1302
01:23:07,770 --> 01:23:11,010
says boost using fountain that's
exactly what you did.

1303
01:23:11,460 --> 01:23:12,210
Boost

1304
01:23:13,740 --> 01:23:20,460
boost to grade 10,000 SATs from
breeze anonymous and it just

1305
01:23:20,460 --> 01:23:23,640
says love from breeze I'm
thinking that's ROI you think

1306
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:24,120
that's ROI

1307
01:23:24,990 --> 01:23:29,940
I don't know man by says love
love from breeze and every time

1308
01:23:29,940 --> 01:23:32,400
I've been with ROI I've been
paying for everything so I'm not

1309
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:33,030
so sure

1310
01:23:35,850 --> 01:23:37,170
you know this Israel guys

1311
01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:41,250
I know but I got I got Brian in
London I can send them down the

1312
01:23:41,250 --> 01:23:42,300
street and go beat him up.

1313
01:23:42,989 --> 01:23:46,769
We you pay you pay for Roy's
dinner and then roll and then

1314
01:23:47,549 --> 01:23:49,859
Brian will reimburse him in hive

1315
01:23:52,980 --> 01:23:55,980
and then repaste a bit bit
refill bit refill

1316
01:23:55,980 --> 01:23:57,390
it with Amazon gift card.

1317
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:02,880
Two days ago it was the exact
street I think where his offices

1318
01:24:04,170 --> 01:24:08,010
were mattify owl but I was
having a camera stuck on my

1319
01:24:08,010 --> 01:24:09,720
house so that's

1320
01:24:11,610 --> 01:24:13,650
how many how many SAS is that
cost?

1321
01:24:22,110 --> 01:24:22,650
Wow.

1322
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:25,140
Really weird part of

1323
01:24:26,130 --> 01:24:28,380
the hospital. Famous hospital
right?

1324
01:24:29,100 --> 01:24:35,130
Yeah, for this for D to extract
for extraction. This is the red

1325
01:24:35,130 --> 01:24:35,790
light district.

1326
01:24:36,270 --> 01:24:39,630
Those trees guys, man they
interface with everything. Yeah,

1327
01:24:39,630 --> 01:24:42,300
I've heard of the cameras
cameras.

1328
01:24:43,830 --> 01:24:46,710
Oh man. Okay, so he's the
Richard Gere of

1329
01:24:47,430 --> 01:24:52,980
Okay, Dave. Yeah.

1330
01:24:53,430 --> 01:25:01,980
900 907 sets from three Apart
friend from Mike Newman, and

1331
01:25:01,980 --> 01:25:06,000
Mike says only thing worse than
USB is Bluetooth Low podcast.

1332
01:25:08,130 --> 01:25:14,490
That's true. I actually I did
try out the I never got to that

1333
01:25:14,490 --> 01:25:17,460
in my review, I tried out the
Bluetooth interface on the test

1334
01:25:17,460 --> 01:25:22,410
cam mix cast for added suck.
Yeah, well, for a reason that

1335
01:25:22,410 --> 01:25:24,780
was disappointing because I
thought I could use that

1336
01:25:24,780 --> 01:25:28,170
interface. It's like I just
route all computer noises, you

1337
01:25:28,170 --> 01:25:30,540
know. So if I need to play a
YouTube clip or something just

1338
01:25:30,540 --> 01:25:34,740
routed out through Bluetooth, so
two problems one, when there's

1339
01:25:34,740 --> 01:25:38,820
no sound active, of course, it
disconnects. And I don't know if

1340
01:25:38,820 --> 01:25:42,870
that was my laptop or the other
side, probably the laptop. And I

1341
01:25:42,870 --> 01:25:46,440
didn't dive into troubleshoot
that please don't email me. But

1342
01:25:46,440 --> 01:25:51,000
the worst part was it defaults
and only has a 16 kilohertz

1343
01:25:51,300 --> 01:25:57,030
bandwidth. Well, that's sucks.
Oh, yeah, I mean, that is so old

1344
01:25:57,030 --> 01:26:02,220
fashioned to think of a phone,
like a phone. That's just like

1345
01:26:02,220 --> 01:26:07,830
when you think Bluetooth doesn't
have to be 1416 kilohertz.

1346
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:10,980
There's no reason for it. But
they were thinking

1347
01:26:12,210 --> 01:26:13,200
a string in between

1348
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:16,020
and they're thinking, Oh, well,
it's just a phone. Now man

1349
01:26:16,020 --> 01:26:21,780
phones these days are high end
devices. Voice over IP. You

1350
01:26:21,780 --> 01:26:26,130
know, you can use clean feed on
your phone. Just the rails with

1351
01:26:26,130 --> 01:26:30,570
Oh, it's amazing. I was doing an
app or you know, just through

1352
01:26:30,570 --> 01:26:35,190
the browser. Dial this message.
It's really cool. Yeah, it's

1353
01:26:35,190 --> 01:26:36,900
cool. Yep.

1354
01:26:37,470 --> 01:26:41,160
We'll see anonymous through the
breeze app gave us 1000 SATs.

1355
01:26:41,190 --> 01:26:44,310
Oh, it's not a novel. It's not
anonymous, he says David Leary.

1356
01:26:44,940 --> 01:26:46,830
Nice work boys. All right, thank

1357
01:26:46,830 --> 01:26:47,370
you. Thank you.

1358
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:50,400
Thank you David. Nice work from
you David. Yes, good work,

1359
01:26:50,670 --> 01:26:57,000
hitting that boost but good work
harv hat gave us 2222 sets of

1360
01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:01,080
magnitudes and he says karaoke
came through Curio caster and he

1361
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:04,560
says booster grant for live I
can't wait I can't wait either

1362
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:05,400
hard all we're all

1363
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:07,530
excited about that. It's

1364
01:27:07,590 --> 01:27:14,550
I had to had to pause work on
the on the live stuff and go in

1365
01:27:14,670 --> 01:27:20,760
and actually put a real true
split editor designer into Yeah,

1366
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:21,300
and yeah,

1367
01:27:21,330 --> 01:27:24,060
well that's gonna be badass
though. I can see it I can see

1368
01:27:24,060 --> 01:27:27,030
some people need it. Definitely
do people need the people needed

1369
01:27:27,030 --> 01:27:27,390
Dave?

1370
01:27:27,749 --> 01:27:32,429
Yes. Anonymous Drew Brees and he
says 1000s SAS he says thanks

1371
01:27:32,429 --> 01:27:36,899
for the nerdy stuff. We get
nerdy today. Yeah, a little bit.

1372
01:27:38,519 --> 01:27:45,179
Thank you man. It's a fight or
Lady 5000 SATs anonymous No,

1373
01:27:45,179 --> 01:27:48,209
this is not anonymous on who
this is. 5000 SATs through

1374
01:27:48,209 --> 01:27:52,499
breeze and says Bitcoin
beatboxing boost and SATs and

1375
01:27:52,499 --> 01:27:54,659
boost and says how a bare
intellect

1376
01:27:55,440 --> 01:27:59,520
Wait a minute. Do we have that
song? We've got his Yeah, we've

1377
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:01,740
got we've got the box and SATs

1378
01:28:02,550 --> 01:28:03,750
goes in the end of show mix.

1379
01:28:05,430 --> 01:28:09,840
Chapters transcripts, images
links stream micropayments to

1380
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:14,070
the podcast and sensitive she's
in real time over the lightning

1381
01:28:14,070 --> 01:28:17,580
network using a compatible
podcasting 2.0 app. Just go to

1382
01:28:17,580 --> 01:28:22,950
new podcast apps.com new podcast
apps.com and for more info go to

1383
01:28:22,950 --> 01:28:24,690
podcast index.org

1384
01:28:26,490 --> 01:28:27,960
was that the one yeah

1385
01:28:27,990 --> 01:28:32,610
that's that guy's great. He's is
good listeners podcast is

1386
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:37,380
intergalactic boombox and short
episodes are fun. Yeah, you can

1387
01:28:37,380 --> 01:28:39,510
knock one out and just like you
know 20 minutes

1388
01:28:39,540 --> 01:28:41,580
it's like a desert. Yeah, it

1389
01:28:41,580 --> 01:28:45,060
is it is. Okay, so our monthly
donors is

1390
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:48,360
let me remind everybody this has
value for about what you heard

1391
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:51,120
here where the booster grams if
you if you don't know what it

1392
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:55,050
is, go to new podcast apps calm.
And not only will you have a lot

1393
01:28:55,050 --> 01:28:59,400
of fun, you could spark good
debate good jokes and and you

1394
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:04,410
support the project. This whole
project is value for value. It's

1395
01:29:04,410 --> 01:29:07,740
an open project where you're
helping here is to keep the

1396
01:29:07,740 --> 01:29:11,730
server's running for podcast
index.org keep the lightning

1397
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:16,920
channels liquid and and keep
literally money flowing through

1398
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:22,590
the system Dave and I use our
own money for for booster grams,

1399
01:29:22,590 --> 01:29:25,710
you know, just if everyone's
putting into it, but the value

1400
01:29:25,710 --> 01:29:28,710
that we're getting back is off
the charts and you can do it

1401
01:29:29,190 --> 01:29:32,760
through good old fashioned
PayPal and your Fiat fun coupons

1402
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:36,180
by going to podcast index.org
scroll to the bottom, click on

1403
01:29:36,180 --> 01:29:40,080
the red Donate button or in any
podcast and 2.0 app. We also

1404
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:44,190
have a little two little bank
sign a little piggy bank or a

1405
01:29:44,190 --> 01:29:49,020
penny or $1. That's a direct
link to our PayPal as well. Yep.

1406
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:52,710
I'm almost messed up here
because Michael Newman might

1407
01:29:52,830 --> 01:29:57,120
might name and send us a PayPal
that I had pulled up and I

1408
01:29:57,120 --> 01:30:00,720
almost did the same thing again
that did Alex last week. So He

1409
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:08,160
sent us $17.89 oh 1789 Yeah, and
he says message. Howdy fellas.

1410
01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:10,470
This was supposed to be coming
at you in SAS by now the

1411
01:30:10,470 --> 01:30:13,770
Constitution is the
Constitution. Yeah. Bill of

1412
01:30:13,770 --> 01:30:16,920
Rights. Yeah. Bill of Rights
here is supposed to be coming to

1413
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:19,950
you in SAS by now, but I'm not
quite there yet with my monthly

1414
01:30:19,950 --> 01:30:24,420
set sling. Trebuie. Shay,
please, please accept this 1789

1415
01:30:24,420 --> 01:30:27,480
and cut pennies in honor of the
ratification of the Bill of

1416
01:30:27,480 --> 01:30:29,490
Rights. Thank you for your
courage. Oh,

1417
01:30:29,490 --> 01:30:30,090
thank you.

1418
01:30:30,450 --> 01:30:33,420
Very Thank you, Mike. I like
cook pennies that are good and

1419
01:30:33,420 --> 01:30:39,090
he's good. Same as our monthly
donors are. Mark Graham. $1.

1420
01:30:39,480 --> 01:30:46,350
Joseph maraca $5. David made us
aid. Fun Fact Friday $10 Cameron

1421
01:30:46,350 --> 01:30:50,130
Rose $25 camera has been
donating for a long time. And

1422
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:57,420
Jeremy knew $5 Greg Thomas $5.
Lauren ball $24.20 in pod verse,

1423
01:30:57,450 --> 01:31:03,600
LLC. $50 Thanks, Martin. Yeah,
no pot versus prod verse. Mitch.

1424
01:31:03,900 --> 01:31:07,680
Mitch. Yeah, yeah, my friend.
Yeah, we have one person cancel

1425
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:10,920
a $5 month subscription. And
that's really we really have had

1426
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:13,110
very few cancellations and
subscriptions a lot

1427
01:31:13,109 --> 01:31:16,289
of people are canceling to
transition over to boosting

1428
01:31:16,319 --> 01:31:19,859
which I completely encourage
that is definitely the way to

1429
01:31:19,859 --> 01:31:24,329
go. Because that's that's gross
we had I mean you can you can

1430
01:31:24,329 --> 01:31:30,029
look at our note at anytime you
want we had I think two weeks

1431
01:31:30,029 --> 01:31:34,649
ago we probably had what we have
like 10 grand on the node in in

1432
01:31:34,649 --> 01:31:40,139
dollars or fee out fun coupons.
And just with the appreciation

1433
01:31:40,199 --> 01:31:44,969
of the world the bitcoin price
action and of course booster

1434
01:31:44,969 --> 01:31:48,449
grams, I think we were like
we're hitting 15 now it's almost

1435
01:31:48,449 --> 01:31:53,159
50% more beautiful, just that's
what I love about this project.

1436
01:31:53,219 --> 01:31:56,519
Just keep all those sites there,
stack them over there, stack

1437
01:31:56,519 --> 01:31:57,149
them over there

1438
01:31:57,149 --> 01:32:00,089
and now that we're in that and
what's important about that, is

1439
01:32:00,089 --> 01:32:03,959
that Tim we've been banking on
all these SATs so that we can

1440
01:32:03,959 --> 01:32:09,149
fund or know or Hey instance
Yeah, so Tim finished that and

1441
01:32:09,149 --> 01:32:13,079
so now I'll transition into
getting that you know die thing

1442
01:32:13,079 --> 01:32:16,169
run and well it'll take some
time because we have to Eric has

1443
01:32:16,169 --> 01:32:19,409
to figure out you know legal
stuff and all that kind of jazz

1444
01:32:19,409 --> 01:32:22,829
but you know we've got the node
now and then we've got the SATs

1445
01:32:22,829 --> 01:32:25,229
now to fund it so we can start
doing that cool stuff

1446
01:32:25,470 --> 01:32:28,500
so so we'll be hosting wallets

1447
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:34,410
yeah we'll be hosting like like
to be able to do like one thing

1448
01:32:34,410 --> 01:32:39,150
that I think we'll be able to do
pretty pretty cool. is like one

1449
01:32:39,150 --> 01:32:42,780
off episode level wallets. So if
somebody wants to he's gonna

1450
01:32:44,700 --> 01:32:47,940
super cool very cool. Hey Brian,
you still awake?

1451
01:32:48,689 --> 01:32:49,709
Tom here okay,

1452
01:32:49,769 --> 01:32:53,339
I'm sorry man. I just want make
sure you're not Keeling over

1453
01:32:53,339 --> 01:32:53,669
there.

1454
01:32:55,620 --> 01:32:59,850
This is this is a joy for me.
Okay, good. The only thing that

1455
01:32:59,850 --> 01:33:03,330
this messes up now is my my
Saturday morning ritual of

1456
01:33:03,330 --> 01:33:04,260
listening to the show.

1457
01:33:05,069 --> 01:33:11,729
Hello, yeah, you can listen to
yourself. Oh. Laughter I always

1458
01:33:11,729 --> 01:33:12,059
listen to

1459
01:33:12,060 --> 01:33:17,310
the show. I have to admit I do
too. I listened to most of my

1460
01:33:17,310 --> 01:33:22,530
shows but not not really like I
listened to see how things land

1461
01:33:22,590 --> 01:33:29,160
out worked. How it sounded Yeah,
but not to comprehend the

1462
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:30,630
technical review I

1463
01:33:30,630 --> 01:33:34,590
think I get it I'm hitting I'm
gonna head back to work

1464
01:33:34,620 --> 01:33:38,160
oh god that was it. We have no
more no more of our monthly

1465
01:33:38,190 --> 01:33:41,430
Yeah. Okay, that's it. Yeah. And
I'm sorry we kept you a little

1466
01:33:41,430 --> 01:33:43,860
longer but you you also are
holding down the fort there you

1467
01:33:43,860 --> 01:33:45,660
got people out right? Yeah,

1468
01:33:45,690 --> 01:33:50,250
yeah. My coworker COVID
yesterday so he's he's at a

1469
01:33:50,250 --> 01:33:54,240
commission. Yeah, just me flying
solo. Okay, but he's gonna be

1470
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:57,600
okay. Yeah, yeah. seems to be
doing pretty good. Hi.

1471
01:33:58,979 --> 01:34:05,399
Brian, sir Brian of London. You
sir, you sir, are a gem and an

1472
01:34:05,399 --> 01:34:10,079
incredibly colorful person and I
am happy to have you in my life.

1473
01:34:10,199 --> 01:34:15,029
And I'm happy to have you in the
podcasting 2.0 ecosystem and

1474
01:34:15,029 --> 01:34:18,269
arena because you you really
bring a lot of joy to

1475
01:34:18,719 --> 01:34:19,379
everything.

1476
01:34:20,220 --> 01:34:23,100
That's what I try to do. Yeah,
and I tell you, I've I have

1477
01:34:23,580 --> 01:34:26,910
getting back into coding after I
didn't do it for so long. I did

1478
01:34:26,910 --> 01:34:30,780
a PhD I went all the way to a
PhD in physics. And then I

1479
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:34,950
basically stopped writing code
and that was more than 25 years

1480
01:34:34,950 --> 01:34:39,270
ago. And it is an absolute joy
now to learn to code again. The

1481
01:34:39,270 --> 01:34:42,780
world is so different this
GitHub stuff and yeah

1482
01:34:42,780 --> 01:34:44,700
elaborations and it's fun. It's

1483
01:34:44,729 --> 01:34:47,429
unbelievable. Can you got Alex
whipping you

1484
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:54,690
know, Alex is a gem I you know,
I am so grateful. You know, to

1485
01:34:54,690 --> 01:35:00,000
be mentored properly and to to
accept mentoring is it is

1486
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:05,640
Something I guess maybe age, you
kind of you learn to be humble

1487
01:35:05,670 --> 01:35:08,940
and learn to know when other
people know much more than you

1488
01:35:08,940 --> 01:35:12,330
and and it's a joy. And it's
amazing to have a resource like

1489
01:35:12,330 --> 01:35:16,080
that. I can just call on and
say, Hey Alex, how do you do

1490
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:18,090
this and to watch your stuff
anyway,

1491
01:35:18,270 --> 01:35:21,750
I don't, even though for what
you even knew Bert had a drum

1492
01:35:21,750 --> 01:35:22,860
instructor in his 60s.

1493
01:35:25,350 --> 01:35:29,820
Anyone anybody is welcome to
join in the fun and mentor or be

1494
01:35:29,820 --> 01:35:34,350
mentored and you can go to
podcast index dot social and

1495
01:35:34,350 --> 01:35:37,320
sign up. We'd love to have more
people who jump in the better.

1496
01:35:37,890 --> 01:35:41,040
Brian Thank you very much. I've
got your I got your GitHub in

1497
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:45,330
the show notes. Also I have the
the proper node so anyone who

1498
01:35:45,330 --> 01:35:48,030
boosts this up, but also if
you're just listening to new

1499
01:35:48,030 --> 01:35:52,620
podcast app, new podcast apps
koat.com you'll be sending Brian

1500
01:35:52,620 --> 01:35:58,230
some sets which well we know
where it ultimately winds up in

1501
01:35:58,230 --> 01:36:01,080
the hype machine, Dave, have a
great weekend. amigo.

1502
01:36:01,500 --> 01:36:03,450
You too brother. See you guys
later, man.

1503
01:36:03,540 --> 01:36:05,610
All right, everybody. Thank you
so much for attending the board

1504
01:36:05,610 --> 01:36:09,630
meeting podcasts in 2.0. We'll
be back next week. To bring it

1505
01:36:09,630 --> 01:36:12,600
all to you the latest happening
in the namespace podcasting 2.0

1506
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:14,070
and on the mastodon talk to you

1507
01:36:14,070 --> 01:36:34,410
that you have been listening to
podcasting 2.0 podcast in the

1508
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