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podcasting 2.0 for September
10 2021, Episode Number 53 were

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fully tagged and noted. That's
for the day. Hello everybody,

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it's Friday once again time for
the board meaning of podcasting.

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2.0 everything happening at
podcast index.org all about the

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namespace and of course, the
gossip and the chatter from

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podcasts in text on social. I'm
Adam Curry here in the heart of

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Hill Country, Texas and Alabama,
the man whose lightning channels

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are always balanced my friend on
the other end, ladies and

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gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones

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you're gonna have to bring back
remember the podcast license?

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podcast or license?

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Yeah, podcast license calm. Yes,
I recall. I recall. I think it

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let me see if it still exists.

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I'm gonna bring that back. mean,
we're regulate we got to

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regulate podcast.

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Ah, okay. We're going there. Are
we? Yes. podcast licensed calm.

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Okay. Yeah, it sounds like it is
there's you know, this, this

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little thing that that was
created 20 years ago really

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probably a little bit longer
than that RSS. I'm thinking it's

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it's very analogous to Bitcoin
It was designed to be attacked.

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And like honey badger don't give
a shit.

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Is that is that the the masthead
on podcast licensed calm?

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Yes. Yeah. Honey Badger don't
give a shit.

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It's so much more appropriate
for for this show. than it was

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for no agenda. Because we got. I
mean, we are the podcasting 2.0

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show. We can give out we give
out licenses. You know, we can't

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give the slightest donation?
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the thing is, I'm afraid I have
a feeling that podcasts licensed

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calm that I don't own it. Oh,
really? I don't think so. Let me

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know. Is that a producer thing?
Yeah. And I think the foreword

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may have stopped. Let me see who
is podcast licensed calm. Let me

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see if I can find it.

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Was it $33 to get a podcast? Was
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Yeah. Or was 1111 or something
like that? podcast licensed

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calm. I was out. Private.

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I mean, this was, what, 10 years
ago? At least Yeah,

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let me just check. Because if I
have it,

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the whole idea is I mean, you're
you you can issue podcast

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licenses because you are the
creator of podcasting.

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Yes, I have this I have this
power. Yes, obviously.

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Yeah. No,

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I like I gotta find out who has
it. I gotta find who has it and

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see because it seems like it's
not working anymore. Oh, wait,

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podcast licensed calm. Is this?
Do I own it?

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You did all that through the
world outline?

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Yeah, yes. That's, that's why it
no longer works. Hey, guess

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what? I do own it.

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Oh,

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this is good news. Okay, yeah.
All right. All right. Hey, let's

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do something with that. Let's,
let's issue licenses. Why would

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we want to issue licenses, Dave?

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Because the podcast
infrastructure is a rogue

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entity. It is going off the
rails with with misinformation

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and needs to be stopped. needs
to be stopped. Ridiculous.

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Would you like to elaborate?

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Oh, yeah. Specifically, where's
my? Did you bring clips? Oh,

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man, I don't I didn't bring
clips necessarily. But I can

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make these clips be anything we
need them to be?

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Okay. You just have a bundle of
clips that you carry around your

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knapsack whenever you need to do
a podcast.

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Yeah, they're like clay eggs and
won't mold them into whatever.

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Now you know, the exact secret
of the no agenda show is a bunch

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of clips and mold them into a
product. Yes.

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Oh, are we talking
misinformation in podcasting?

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Play? I saw more lies.

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Oh my goodness. Okay. More lies
on our TV. Yes, it was a pretty

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good one. Guess more lies on our
TV? Yes. Yes. Yeah.

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Okay. But that is not a perfect
mold. But if it's no, this is

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talking about that the article
or I guess blog post or I don't

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know what do you want to call it
research project from the lady

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to Brookings Institution? Oh,
yes. This

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was very interesting paper.

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Yeah, this the challenge of
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podcasting. And I guess the
first I got a lot to say about

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this. But the first thing that
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this article and i want i want
to as a as a licensed Lin

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linguistic analysis. What would
you be you in NLP as a licensed

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NLP investigator? I would like
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instead of using misinformation.
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thoughts information.

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Oh, potentially false
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Yes. Which to me is all
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Yeah. Because even the truth can
be your lying eyes. Right? Yeah.

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blue dress white dress. Yeah. I

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mean, we're gonna go full
Cartesian. And you know, and

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just say, you know, I think
therefore I am.

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Let me let me just set this up
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this came out a few weeks ago,
and we're talking about it

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because it was discussed on pod
land. With an interview with the

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woman, and I

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had already marked up this
document a week ago.

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Okay. Yeah, I discussed that on
no agenda briefly. and engaging.

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Yeah, well, so there is one
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is she is an adjunct professor
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going for her her not adjunct
she's going for her thesis.

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This, I think this is her
thesis. And like, and, and, and

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I think it's very smarter for
her to, you know, she's got,

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she's doing interviews, she's
got traction, people are

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interested in this, which she
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going to turn into a much larger
study, across 26,000 episodes of

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podcasts. So she's really
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that's how it works. Places like
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whether it's outside funding,
you have to think tech, of

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course. And I find it I can't
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with.

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Well, I mean, the I just took a
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she says approximately 1/10
include potentially false

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information, there's that phrase
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90 and 90, exactly.

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Hello. Yes, it's people who
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course, I

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mean, we used to call
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What we used to call that was
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putting new words on, you know,
a very, very good,

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a very good analysis right
there. Dave Jones. Yep. All

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right.

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Well, I mean, so as she says
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range of podcasts, as well as
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misinformation, she used
misinformation that time instead

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of potentially false
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largely escaped content
moderation debate? Well, I think

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it's because just going to play
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because people understand that
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when you have conversations with
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Ooh, can I stop you right there?

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Because I see this a little
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debate about this? Potentially
false information? Because you

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can't comment on episodes of
podcast. That's why there's no

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debate.

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Well, that's, that's one of her
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hammering this over and over.
She says later, that, that's

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like, see, and I'm

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in agreement on that part. Like,
yeah, we need comments is great

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to have people debate about an
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seeing that.

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He says reducing anyone can
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audience cannot respond directly
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the crowd to fact check
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Twitter. So she's, she's big
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do reviews, which I'm on like
you I'm fine with. namespace,

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yes.

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Please raise some money to fund
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fantastic.

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I mean, it's the Brookings
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I can give it to, you know, it's
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It's right there in the front
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you have a comment, if you have
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have created a mechanism that
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getting towards the Brookings
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right now. But she says there's
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social media platforms, there's
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public debate. And so that made
me think of in this will

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resonate with you, the old Dave
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blog, blogs on his, I mean,
articles in his blog. He would,

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in somebody got into the
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rambling on some huge like, 10
paragraph thing is all his

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response would always be turn it
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exactly. Not a comment. This is
a blog post, go by a blog and

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post this on your own blog. And
I'll link to it Yeah. Well,

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that's that's the comment here.
If you have a problem with with

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a potentially false information
on another podcast, go start a

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podcast and Talk about that
other podcast play clips, talk

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about how wrong it is. Give your
opinion to counter their

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opinion. It's, it's the way the
internet works.

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It's actually the way people are
used to working, it's the way

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things and at the core work in
societies like I, you know, I

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have an opinion I disagree if
someone else can say, hey, he

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said this and you know, it's
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called intellectual intercourse.
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yes, this is exactly what is
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this makes podcasting, an ideal
tool to inject false or

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misleading information into
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going undetected. You see, this
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where it goes off the rails for
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big difference between, as you
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statements or opinions, and
malicious. Because that she

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goes, the step is quick. He went
from Hey, potentially false

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information to maliciously
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that's different. injected is
injected, right? Yes, yes,

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injected.

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And it's to me, I mean, do you
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where there's a whole bunch of
injected misinformation, and

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false and misleading information
to your church, the the hallway

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at work, the lunch room at work,
the sidewalk when you're talking

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to your neighbor, all of these
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conversations, all of them are
full of all kinds of potentially

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false information. Because
people are full of potentially

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false information. It's the way
people work. And no, in this

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type of thinking of that we can
go out and eradicate every

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source of in I think this is
clear, it's Putin but

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potentially false information or
missile misinformation. The,

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the, the mind goes to, it's not
science, science is is is mean,

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it's not scientific. It's not
fact. It's not physical,

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verifiable, falsifiable fact.
Well, that's not how the world

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works. The world's full of
people, people are squishy,

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people have opinions. And if you
this idea that we can control

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that, that we can go out and
just eradicate every instance of

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misinformation in the broader
world. There's much more

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misinformation happening in
lunch rooms and break rooms at

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work, then there is in
podcasting by about a million.

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But with the idea that we can go
out and stop that is absurd. And

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if it doesn't feel absurd to
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scary.

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I break my my opinion up into
two pieces, because actually had

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a true American experience,
which I want to talk about in a

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moment. But this paper, which I
had kind of read talked about it

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dismissed like okay, it's not
the first time I've read this,

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about podcasting. And I know
what's, again, I see these types

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of things like oh, potentially
inject like, okay, you're on a

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whole different, different trip
here. But what I realized is I

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was listening to pod land, and
this is this is when and by the

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way, for some reason, and I,
this is my own personal issue,

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James Cridland can say things
that are very triggering to me

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personally. It's and I have that
with almost nobody. I wrote no

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politicians know what it's like.
I don't know exactly what it is.

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But in this case, they he and
Sam were discussing this paper,

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and they were discussing it as
if they pretty much agree with

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it and are all in but they
describe the problem not as

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potentially false information.
But when a podcaster is racist,

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or says something wrong. And
it's and is that part that says

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something wrong part that that I
really want to focus on. Now is

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James Cridland, you know, what
he's looking for is a way to get

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people who say something
potentially wrong out of

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podcasting. And and, and but and
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sees that well, you know, does
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underground? Of course it does.
But let's let's get a little

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closer to the definition of
saying something wrong. And you

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know, and racist statements. You
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subjective. What is racist or
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changed, but let's just focus on
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looking for how, where, where do
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admission, has reported podcasts
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it really It comes down to two
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Rogan. Those are the only two
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hear categories of examples, but
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that. And as I'm listening to
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because these are obviously our
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by the way for, for James,
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it's like to live in the
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And his his state in Australia,
specifically in Sydney. And I

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think that people's amygdalas
are hijacked, and we're on high

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alert, and we're, you know,
everyone's very, very jumpy. I

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probably have a version of that
myself too. But everything I

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hear, and just listening to the
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and OR this this topic in
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is not because they really give
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says, I really don't think that
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know because they don't listen.
I've been on the show several

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times, I find no evidence of any
of the accusations that the Joe

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Rogan has thrown at him. They
want advertising. And this is

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what I realized, and
subconsciously, they are so

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pissed off, that they're these
bad apples that make podcasting

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an advertiser evil, that they
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the picture. I do not believe
that deep in their hearts, they

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hate these people or really have
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you got into a conversation
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I don't know. I don't know how
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scape, who are the podcast
listeners. Just think of this

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knife. You're all in on
advertising and podcasting,

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which everybody is and has been
for the past 15 years. And we've

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had infrastructure built out
hosting companies provide

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advertising by James Cridland
lives on advertising. This this

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study showed that the the
typical podcast listener is in

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the sweet spot at 34. The median
age of the podcast audience is

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14 years younger than the am FM
rock radio audience. And much

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younger than broadcast
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The podcast audience profile is
exceptionally attractive.

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podcast listeners are upscale
and educated 53 of persons 18

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plus who have listened to an
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the past 30 days are employed in
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hold management positions 55%
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$75,000 plus making this group
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want to reach. So let me just
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experience and having tried it
myself and raise money, you are

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not going to get brand
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the reason is not alex jones or
Joe Rogan, it's that advertise

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brand advertisers do not
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not intimately familiar with,
they don't advertise on

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television shows that they're
not that they don't know what

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the outcome will be. The only
time there's ever troubles in

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mainstream with advertisers when
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I give you Janet Jackson
wardrobe malfunction at the

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Super Bowl. This this is how it
works. Now. I had a very

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American experience a true
American experience. Because as

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I'm hearing this, and I'm
getting riled up because it's

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triggering me I mean, I'm
thinking oh my god. Yeah, and

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really combined with this whole
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social, where James was being
very funny. And you know, it was

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the difference in language,
language tags, and everything he

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said was anti American and like,
you know, oh, and you know, when

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when we get mad, we go shoot up
the place, you know, all these

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like very stereotypical things
like we're dumb hex, and then he

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even said himself at the end of
this thread. Oh, you know, I'm

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just, uh, this is very racist
fun game sorry to all. Now. My

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initial and I hate to say this,
but I had a moment where I

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thought I'm going to call up his
fuckin advertisers and tell him

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how anti American he is. And
let's see how funny it is. And

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then I thought, No, that's
exactly who we aren't. That's

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exactly who we aren't.

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Yet we'll push pushing back is
critical. And that's why that's

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why you don't, that's why you
don't censor. Because even when

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people push back and you think
they're wrong, their ability to

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push back is sacred. They're
even even if you highly disagree

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with it. And think that it's
mean spirited, or think that

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it's bad, actually incorrect or
anything like that. But that

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that brings me back to, to this
idea that what she said was the

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the intimate relationship
between a podcaster and her

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audience may mean that the
audience will be more likely to

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believe untruth. This is
completely wrong. That is

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incorrect. And that's something
that you read, you read that

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again, can you read that line?
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The intimate relationship
between a podcaster and her

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audience may mean that the
audience will be more likely to

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believe untruth to believe
misinformation, because it's

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coming from like a quote
unquote, trusted source. This is

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completely bogus. That is not
true at all. And I can, I can

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prove that, by my own religion
by my own marriage, mountain,

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I'm a very libertarian guy. I'm
very, you know, anti government.

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My, my wife is very liberal.
Biden's supporter just

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absolutely, you know, just, you
know, very, very on board with a

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lot of liberal agendas. And we
disagree all the time. Now, you

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cannot be in a more intimate
relationship than a marriage.

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But we disagree with each other,
at least once a day on

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something. And you know, and,
and I'm bringing that up to say

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that it's been that has been
good for me. Over the last six

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or seven years, it has been good
for me to have that in my life.

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Because it's tempered, my is
tempered my rhetoric, and made

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me listen more. So that again,
it doesn't necessarily change my

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opinion, it does sometimes. But
for the most part, what is done

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is made me more careful about
the things I say and more self

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analyzing about why I believe
the things I do and why I

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believe them in the way that I
do. So just because something

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just because somebody just
because I hear something from a

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trusted source, I can hear it on
no agenda. I trust you a lot.

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And we have a close
relationship. But I'm just

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because I hear it from you
doesn't mean that I'm just like,

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move, okay. I mean, we all have
brains. And we all and sometimes

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the most intimate relationship
is is the time when you push

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back the most on somebody. It's
like that. That, to me, is I'm

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thankful for guys like James and
Sam, that they will do a show

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that makes me sharpen my own
thoughts about these things.

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I think I think this is exactly
the point I'm making about my

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truly American moments where I
had this just a total flash of

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clarity saying no, I'm I am
grateful for these guys in my

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life. I'm truly grateful

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for it. But because you resisted
the urge to do the thing that's

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the most feral

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mm hmm, yep. It's we have to
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Yeah. And the other, you know,
if you'll indulge me in a couple

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of stories here. The The other
thing that bothers me a lot

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about when this gets into the
think tank realm, is that really

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the only true final arbiter of
these kinds of things is

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government? Because who is going
to have the last word in? what

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is acceptable speech?

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What is wrong, wrong thinking
something

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wrong? It's going to be
government in some shape, form

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or fashion, whether it's through
a network of NGO type fact

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checkers, what

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we know is this already happened
in the United States with our so

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called hate laws. Your hate is
not determined in US code is

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there's no determination for it.
But now we do have hate crimes,

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which usually in for larger
penalties.

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Well, in in that regard, there's
no there's no definition

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independent definition of what
constitutes misinformation, or

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potentially false information.
There is no definition for this.

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So it's going to be it's going
to be judged by a panel. It's

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always going to tie back to
government. And this and I want

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to I want to, I want to tell
this, a couple of personal

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things here. My the part of the
reason that I think the way I do

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about government and about
censorship and about these

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things, specifically government
goes back to the first six

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months of my marriage 22 years
ago, we were dirt poor, we could

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barely put food on the table, we
had to have my, my in laws, buy

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us groceries, you know, two or
three times, within the first

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six months of our marriage, we
were dead broke. And I was

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working my butt off. And Mom,
wife, our tag expired on our car

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on like, towards the end of the
month or license plate. And it

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was like $150 to get to get a
new to get to do the knock the

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license plate. And so it's
getting towards the end of the

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month. And I'm like, Okay, if we
can just make it to the next

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month, where in my next
paycheck, then I'll go down,

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I'll take care of this. And I'm
like, 23 years old. Melissa

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calls me at work, she's crying.
She got pulled over and got a

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ticket from the cop for having
an expired license plate. And

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the ticket was like almost $300.
And, um, and she's like, No, we

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can't afford I don't know what
I'm what we're gonna do, I'm

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gonna get my life, we can't pay
this and get my license taken

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away. And she said, I beg I beg
the police officer not to give

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me a ticket. I told him we were
going to pay the dude renew the

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license plate next week. And he
said, I'm sorry, ma'am. I'm just

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doing my job. That experience of
coming face to face with

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government. And being told we
don't care. The government

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doesn't care about you as an
individual. We care about you as

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a number that that experience
changed really changed me for

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the for the rest of my life.
That shows the Kafka esque face

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of government at s as some add.
And it really lays bare what it

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is a jump. And we know we jumped
forward today. And as of

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yesterday, I'm now having in a
very similar experience. And

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this is my this is a very
personal story for me. And I'll

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bring this all back around to
here in a minute. The about six

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years ago, I got had a series of
health problems. And they

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ultimately culminated in me
getting a case of shingles. If

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you know yeah, if no, no was she
I think you probably may

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remember a

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I know exactly what what
shingles is. Yeah, it's it's

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basically chickenpox for old
people only fucked up.

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Yeah. So what chickenpox if you
had chickenpox when you're

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young, in it never leaves your
body it stays there forever, and

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it stays in your spinal fluid.
And under moments of a lot of

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stress. It can is called the
varicella zoster virus, and it

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can reactivate and when it does,
it begins to travel up your

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nerve endings and eventually
erupts onto your skin as lesions

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sort of chickenpox like lesions

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on your face on your hands can
be anywhere right?

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Yep, could be in your in your
ear on your I could be mom was

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on my on my left flank. So part
of the in the pain comes from

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the traveling the slow traveling
over a course of a week or so up

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your nerve endings up to where
it eventually erupts. So this I

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got shingles. And I've never
been the same since. Now this

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this is very rare. This doesn't
happen to everybody. It doesn't

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happen to very many people at
all. But sometimes when a virus

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and this is why I'm a strong
believer in was so called long

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COVID or COVID long haulers
because I live this on a daily

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basis once a virus gets
reactivated in your system,

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sometimes what can happen
whether it's epstein barr or

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varicella, zoster, or
Coronavirus, or any of these

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viruses, sometimes what can
happen is it freaks your immune

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system out so bad that what
happens is your immune system

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turns on and it never really
turns off again. And what makes

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you feel like shit, when you're
sick, is not necessarily the

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virus, it's your immune system
is what makes you feel so bad.

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Your own immune system begins to
secrete all kinds of chemicals,

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and it changes your body
chemistry and it makes you feel

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terrible. And I go through this
so essentially my my immune

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system is always on too high of
an alert. If slight things that

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I do in my daily life will
plunge me into feeling terrible

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like I've almost got the flu and
it could last two three days it

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could last a week or more

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like atmospheric stuff as well.
smog.

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00:29:46,530 --> 00:29:50,670
Yes. My little bit of humid
atmosphere causes some mold or

444
00:29:50,670 --> 00:29:55,290
something. Boom. Something to
eat. Boom. I mean in. I deal

445
00:29:55,290 --> 00:30:00,570
with this on every at least
every couple of weeks. In an

446
00:30:00,570 --> 00:30:03,270
unreal, I've dealt with it for
so long for so many years now

447
00:30:03,270 --> 00:30:07,050
that I hide it really well. And
you wouldn't know it from

448
00:30:07,050 --> 00:30:09,510
talking to me most of the time.
But that's one of the reasons

449
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:12,990
why I'm so skinny. I can't gain
weight. There's just there's

450
00:30:12,990 --> 00:30:15,720
some, my immune system is
constant. Oh, man,

451
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:17,640
I thought you were on crack. So
at least I'm happy

452
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:25,680
with but that's the crack is
for. It's just for fun. The so

453
00:30:26,670 --> 00:30:31,650
then you so yesterday, Joe
Biden, our illustrious president

454
00:30:32,430 --> 00:30:37,440
announces that he's going to
force every employee working in

455
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,730
a company with 100, or there has
at least 100 or more employees

456
00:30:41,970 --> 00:30:50,310
to either be to be vaccinated or
fired. So one, I've already had

457
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:53,910
COVID have recovered from COVID
of natural immunity and

458
00:30:53,910 --> 00:30:58,110
antibodies, which the CDC has,
in their latest study that was

459
00:30:58,110 --> 00:31:03,900
published on September 2 says
verbatim that recovered COVID

460
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:09,300
patients have at least as good
protection if not greater than

461
00:31:09,330 --> 00:31:15,630
the vaccine. But what I'm being
told now is that I have to get

462
00:31:16,020 --> 00:31:22,590
vaccinated. And this vaccine is
designed to jack up your immune

463
00:31:22,590 --> 00:31:27,030
system to make your immune
system go nuts for a little

464
00:31:27,030 --> 00:31:29,670
while, so that it trains your
immune system on the

465
00:31:29,670 --> 00:31:35,760
Coronavirus. You can imagine my
fear of injecting something into

466
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:42,090
my body, it's going to make my
immune system go nuts. I'm not

467
00:31:42,090 --> 00:31:49,320
doing that. Sorry. It's not,
it's not scientific. For me, my

468
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:54,090
personal body my situation, it's
not scientific in any way. And

469
00:31:54,090 --> 00:31:56,700
no doctor can guarantee me that
I'm not going to end up

470
00:31:56,700 --> 00:31:58,110
bedridden in the process.

471
00:31:58,410 --> 00:32:01,590
And so by the nature of us even
discussing this, this would be

472
00:32:01,590 --> 00:32:07,110
wrong thinking and counter to
the it could in fact, be

473
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:08,910
potentially false information.

474
00:32:09,660 --> 00:32:14,160
Sure. And so what I'm what I'm
saying, you know, and I'm gonna

475
00:32:14,580 --> 00:32:16,770
bring, I'm bringing this back.
And the reason I'm saying all

476
00:32:16,770 --> 00:32:23,250
these things, is to say that
what my government told me

477
00:32:23,250 --> 00:32:31,320
yesterday was, we don't care
about you. And your we don't

478
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:36,150
care about Dave, we only care
about your number on a

479
00:32:36,150 --> 00:32:43,110
spreadsheet. And you're going to
do what we say. Or we're gonna

480
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:47,880
make sure that we get you fired
from your job, to hell with the

481
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:53,940
science, to hell with your life
and your loved ones. And you. We

482
00:32:53,940 --> 00:32:59,700
only care about numbers on a
spreadsheet. That's the way that

483
00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:04,770
is the way government looks at
everything because it government

484
00:33:04,770 --> 00:33:09,030
is not a scalpel. That does
search surgical precision.

485
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:14,760
Government is a club that
bludgeons things to get it to

486
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:21,420
conform to its will. And that is
not what we want, regulating the

487
00:33:21,420 --> 00:33:27,900
speech or anything else in our
society. That in those are the

488
00:33:27,900 --> 00:33:32,190
two most concrete examples that
can that I can give of the

489
00:33:32,190 --> 00:33:38,910
danger of allowing government to
dictate not just speech but but

490
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:45,450
anything in society in a in a
tech knock a technic, technical

491
00:33:45,450 --> 00:33:49,950
way in a technocracy style
fashion. It's not it's not okay.

492
00:33:50,610 --> 00:33:54,240
don't support it. In anything
that claims to do that,

493
00:33:54,450 --> 00:33:58,860
ultimately, we'll have one of
those results, it will create

494
00:33:58,860 --> 00:34:07,680
harm where there was no harm
before. Right. That's it so

495
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:15,240
that, that when I hear things
like, we need to rethink the

496
00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:18,600
entire infrastructure, which is
some of the things it was just

497
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,120
one of the things she said, we
need to rebuild this entire

498
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,240
infrastructure to make migration

499
00:34:24,269 --> 00:34:26,939
all that was missing from that
was and we need to do it in

500
00:34:26,939 --> 00:34:27,569
JSON.

501
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:35,669
Yeah, most of the smaller
players in the field lack the

502
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:38,849
financial resources to carry out
extensive content moderation,

503
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,699
and look to larger companies
like Apple and Spotify to

504
00:34:41,699 --> 00:34:46,319
determine what should be
removed. This this is and so

505
00:34:46,319 --> 00:34:49,199
there, you just go right back up
the chain. You say, okay, we're

506
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,709
going to go to Apple, we're
going to go to Apple, or Google

507
00:34:53,009 --> 00:34:56,189
or Facebook and let them make
those decisions because smaller,

508
00:34:56,249 --> 00:34:58,469
smaller companies can make those
decisions and they'll have the

509
00:34:58,469 --> 00:35:02,819
financial resources to do it.
Those aren't private companies

510
00:35:02,819 --> 00:35:06,389
making those decisions. Those
are Google, Apple, Facebook.

511
00:35:06,689 --> 00:35:10,499
These are companies that are now
in the crosshairs of the Justice

512
00:35:10,499 --> 00:35:14,369
Department and Congress for
being under my monopoly

513
00:35:14,399 --> 00:35:18,959
suspicion. They are, they are
not independent actors making

514
00:35:18,959 --> 00:35:23,789
decisions on their own anymore.
They are being under being

515
00:35:23,789 --> 00:35:29,099
constantly pressured by the
government to do things that the

516
00:35:29,099 --> 00:35:32,369
government wants, because that's
how they're going to keep from

517
00:35:32,369 --> 00:35:35,969
being regulated. That's what I
mean, when I say all this

518
00:35:35,999 --> 00:35:39,299
ultimately ends up with
government, because you can push

519
00:35:39,299 --> 00:35:44,129
it up and say, you hear all this
section 230 guys, on, you know,

520
00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:46,739
on social media, they're like,
no, this is this is not

521
00:35:46,769 --> 00:35:49,679
government, censoring your
speech. These are private

522
00:35:49,679 --> 00:35:52,469
companies, they can do whatever
they want. Well, yeah, they're

523
00:35:52,469 --> 00:35:55,199
private companies that are also
getting calls from the White

524
00:35:55,199 --> 00:35:57,629
House on a consistent basis from
the executive branch of the

525
00:35:57,629 --> 00:35:58,199
government.

526
00:35:58,950 --> 00:36:00,660
Now they're being threatened.
They're being threatened by

527
00:36:00,660 --> 00:36:04,020
legislation. That is the it is a
textbook definition of

528
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:08,100
infringing on free speech, the
government, and by the way, just

529
00:36:08,100 --> 00:36:11,730
version for for everyone to
understand the United States

530
00:36:11,730 --> 00:36:15,900
Constitution particular the Bill
of Rights. It is. If you look at

531
00:36:15,900 --> 00:36:19,980
the the amendments, it is not
right, given to the American

532
00:36:19,980 --> 00:36:23,100
people this document, please
read it. It's very, very small.

533
00:36:23,820 --> 00:36:27,930
Every single one of these
amendments starts with the

534
00:36:27,930 --> 00:36:31,320
government shall not the
government has no, right. The

535
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,290
government cannot. It's a
guideline for what the

536
00:36:34,290 --> 00:36:39,390
government cannot do. Now, when
you get to free speech. We argue

537
00:36:39,390 --> 00:36:43,560
over words like infringe, or,
you know, this first and second

538
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,440
amendment, actually. So these
are narrower. And by the way,

539
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,050
we're very good at changing the
meaning of words throughout

540
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,200
history and language, etc.
Before anything, Dave, thank you

541
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,620
very much for sharing those
stories. You've never shared

542
00:36:55,620 --> 00:36:59,370
those with me. I think that's
right. That's, that was I

543
00:36:59,370 --> 00:37:03,180
appreciate that a lot. And Hold
on. Let me let me spark up the

544
00:37:03,180 --> 00:37:03,810
bond for you.

545
00:37:08,700 --> 00:37:12,630
Yes, yes, a small room is for
smoking. And may

546
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:15,570
I comment on your drywall
sounding particularly nice

547
00:37:15,570 --> 00:37:15,960
today?

548
00:37:16,770 --> 00:37:19,350
Sorry about that. No, no, it's
very bouncy. And here it is bit

549
00:37:19,350 --> 00:37:25,740
bouncy. Yeah. So bottom line.
The takeaway for me personally,

550
00:37:25,740 --> 00:37:32,430
is I'm super happy that I have
the community around me and the

551
00:37:33,300 --> 00:37:41,550
upbringing, and the values that
do not make me want to eliminate

552
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:46,710
people who hurt me or trigger me
or disagree or whatever.

553
00:37:49,889 --> 00:38:01,019
And it's, it's critical to have
to have pushback. Yes, it is

554
00:38:01,019 --> 00:38:04,199
important. It's important, even
if it's wrong,

555
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:06,930
and there's also a time when you
just need to ignore. I mean,

556
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,070
this is I've gotten very good at
this in the past. I think ever

557
00:38:11,070 --> 00:38:13,320
since I was 50. I really, you
know, it's been seven years for

558
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,650
me, so I got my shit together as
a person. And some therapy.

559
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:22,980
Yeah, you know, like, there's a
lot to just ignore. There's a

560
00:38:22,980 --> 00:38:25,560
lot of trolls a lot of people
who say shit, particularly

561
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,710
social media, and the best
policy just okay. And I catch

562
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:31,590
myself a lot writing reply
deleting before I even posted,

563
00:38:32,070 --> 00:38:34,800
like, yeah, I'm done. Alright, I
just, that's dumb and just get

564
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,350
out of my system. And then and
then we're back back to

565
00:38:37,350 --> 00:38:40,410
normal times writing it is all
you got to do. Yeah, the posting

566
00:38:40,410 --> 00:38:41,970
is like you write it and then
you hit delete,

567
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,480
but, but let's just make sure
that no one who was out there

568
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:50,430
yelling about podcasts has any
more authority with what is

569
00:38:50,430 --> 00:38:55,350
correct or incorrect medical
information or scientific

570
00:38:55,350 --> 00:39:00,810
information, if you want to even
mathematics is disagreed upon

571
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:05,400
and I believe in math and your
math. You know, the numbers add

572
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,400
up. And you can you can I think
that's proof math to me is

573
00:39:08,430 --> 00:39:14,010
usually proof. Even that is a
disputed look at ciphered in a

574
00:39:14,010 --> 00:39:20,670
moose, and what's the, the Black
Swan guy? I mean, they disagree

575
00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:24,570
on the mathematics of an
economical equation, which, you

576
00:39:24,570 --> 00:39:27,360
know, and they're they're
arguing literally over

577
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:33,300
equations. Yeah. Yeah. So even
that isn't isn't sacred anymore.

578
00:39:34,140 --> 00:39:40,740
I mean, think about her name,
tell her. See, one of her last

579
00:39:40,740 --> 00:39:43,410
paragraphs here says, As a first
step, it is critical to

580
00:39:43,410 --> 00:39:45,900
understand the scope of this
problem in order to identify

581
00:39:45,930 --> 00:39:50,280
appropriate policy solutions to
address the spread of

582
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,730
misinformation that that's why I
said it all. It all ends up back

583
00:39:53,730 --> 00:39:56,430
in government. You know, it
doesn't matter what you're

584
00:39:56,430 --> 00:40:01,800
disagreeing on, everybody, all
your You ultimately always end

585
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,920
up back with the ones with the
people who have the guns.

586
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:08,700
Because that's, you know,
that's, that's where the buck

587
00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:13,050
stops. And so that that tells
you ultimately, okay, let's

588
00:40:13,050 --> 00:40:15,540
talk. We're ultimately going to
bring this back to government.

589
00:40:15,690 --> 00:40:20,010
And I mean, just like, does
anybody remember the bait the

590
00:40:20,010 --> 00:40:24,150
babies and incubators from
Kuwait? Gulf of Tonkin? I mean,

591
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:26,940
Syria, the all the Syrian gas
attacks that turned out to be

592
00:40:26,940 --> 00:40:32,130
bullshit. Saddam's weapons of
mass destruction. It's Tuskegee

593
00:40:32,130 --> 00:40:36,570
experiments. MK Ultra. I mean,
they're the list of, and I'll

594
00:40:36,570 --> 00:40:43,830
say this. I'm getting riled up
against. I will say this, the,

595
00:40:43,980 --> 00:40:49,680
the idea that your government
will not lie to you is racist.

596
00:40:50,610 --> 00:40:53,850
Yeah, that's sure, for sure. But
it's only those other

597
00:40:53,850 --> 00:40:57,000
governments, it's only China
that would rely, it's only the

598
00:40:58,020 --> 00:41:00,600
third world countries that you
know, quote, unquote, third

599
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,290
world countries, only they would
lie to their people are good

600
00:41:04,290 --> 00:41:07,110
white, you know, Western
governments would not they

601
00:41:07,110 --> 00:41:11,100
wouldn't do such a thing. No,
you know, no. Well, I mean, if

602
00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:13,800
you live in that world, and
that's great, great for you, you

603
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,050
must live in Narnia or
something, because they're here

604
00:41:16,050 --> 00:41:19,170
in the real world where actual
people exist, governments lie to

605
00:41:19,170 --> 00:41:22,980
us all the time, you know, at
least the United States. So

606
00:41:24,030 --> 00:41:26,970
the bottom line is for podcasts
index and thank yous around, I'm

607
00:41:26,970 --> 00:41:29,850
gonna go real. Yeah, thank you,
the board appreciates your

608
00:41:29,850 --> 00:41:32,490
updates your personal data, it's
very nice to know about your

609
00:41:32,490 --> 00:41:34,800
medical history and your
marriage and all but you know,

610
00:41:39,150 --> 00:41:44,190
to bring that around, podcast
index, and and honestly, at the

611
00:41:44,190 --> 00:41:48,360
urging of people like James, we
softened our mission statement.

612
00:41:49,260 --> 00:41:53,070
And, and really out of
consideration for people with

613
00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:57,720
other opinions, even though the
opinion of you know, freedom of

614
00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:01,560
speech is is it is very
American. So there is, you know,

615
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,320
there's that. So we saw that, I
don't regret that, you know, I

616
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,330
don't regret it either. But I
just want you to know, you, we

617
00:42:06,330 --> 00:42:09,630
softened it to the podcast index
is here to preserve, protect and

618
00:42:09,630 --> 00:42:14,070
extend the open, independent
podcasting ecosystem. That's,

619
00:42:14,070 --> 00:42:17,610
that's the top line, there's a
second one there. So we soften

620
00:42:17,610 --> 00:42:23,040
that, but make no mistake, we're
a list of links. And we're not

621
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,940
going to take anything out for
any have any reason, except I

622
00:42:26,940 --> 00:42:30,690
know that you have removed
illegal links to illegal

623
00:42:30,690 --> 00:42:36,480
content. Yes. I mean, that. I
don't think anyone there's no,

624
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,520
just no disagreement with that.
And in fact, that is also

625
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,460
protected under Section 230, if
you want to play it by the law.

626
00:42:42,690 --> 00:42:46,350
But just as I can go to pod
news.net, slash search and

627
00:42:46,350 --> 00:42:50,790
search for x 22 report and
receive the podcast results,

628
00:42:51,060 --> 00:42:56,010
info wars, the alex jones show,
it's all there. So I would

629
00:42:56,010 --> 00:42:58,950
appreciate if other people from
other countries might look at

630
00:42:58,950 --> 00:43:03,720
their own shit first. If you
have a problem lead by example.

631
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,010
You know, it's and that's the
beauty of what we're doing is we

632
00:43:08,010 --> 00:43:12,810
are not presenting anything in
any manner other than here's a

633
00:43:12,810 --> 00:43:17,160
list of links. And we're not
surfacing show notes. If there's

634
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,690
something that we don't that
this illegal, like an image

635
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:24,540
could be incest image or
whatever you've deleted. Yeah,

636
00:43:24,540 --> 00:43:26,910
then that has to go that's a
legal issue.

637
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,310
Yeah. And then there's

638
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,700
everything else is just opinion
and get over

639
00:43:32,700 --> 00:43:36,960
yourself. And we also don't
highlight things or feature

640
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:37,260
things.

641
00:43:37,529 --> 00:43:38,759
We have no editorial.

642
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:42,660
Yeah, like there's no way you
can't ask us to be featured on a

643
00:43:42,660 --> 00:43:45,900
search popularity rank or
something. It's just not that's

644
00:43:45,900 --> 00:43:46,830
not the way we do things.

645
00:43:46,860 --> 00:43:53,250
But it is a feature of of
certainly now where everybody's

646
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,100
and I and I had a conversation
with Scott Adams about this who

647
00:43:56,100 --> 00:43:58,650
says he's a trained hypnotist I
have no reason to doubt him.

648
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:01,829
That you think that now

649
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:08,670
you hypnotize me and but he also
says no, the state of the world

650
00:44:08,670 --> 00:44:12,630
today our our fight or flight
mechanism controlled by our

651
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:17,580
amygdala is in in state of high
alert continuously, all of us

652
00:44:17,580 --> 00:44:22,560
have it. And so when you get
those feelings fight or flight,

653
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,610
that's not your rational brain
talking, and then stopping

654
00:44:26,610 --> 00:44:31,200
yourself right then and there is
very, very, very difficult. It's

655
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:39,300
very hard. But if we want to get
anywhere, you know, even I mean,

656
00:44:39,330 --> 00:44:43,620
look, there was a time I won't
even go into it. And I'm not

657
00:44:43,620 --> 00:44:44,850
here to give history lessons.

658
00:44:45,150 --> 00:44:47,340
You don't want to give your
medical personal medical history

659
00:44:47,340 --> 00:44:49,860
and marriage history. My good
right doing it.

660
00:44:49,890 --> 00:44:52,170
Oh my goodness. Well, it was
interesting. The only thing that

661
00:44:52,170 --> 00:44:55,260
hit for me I've tried to hide my
Tourette's all my life and when

662
00:44:55,260 --> 00:44:59,760
you said you know I'm very good
at hiding hiding your your

663
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,550
medical issues I really
identified with that it's

664
00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:07,230
tiring. It's tiring to, to cover
it up or hide or whatever or

665
00:45:07,230 --> 00:45:09,600
not, you know, not show it to
the outside world that you got

666
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:10,530
some shit going on.

667
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,080
Well, because you're also
nervous too. You're like, yeah,

668
00:45:13,140 --> 00:45:16,080
yeah, I'm gonna lose my job.
Yes. They're worried about my

669
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:16,770
health. Yeah,

670
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,700
exactly. I was a guy who was the
guy on television with ticks.

671
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,920
This is not necessarily good
thing for TV. get distracted by

672
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:26,100
it.

673
00:45:28,260 --> 00:45:31,770
And that's what it's like, my
official diagnosis is CFS is

674
00:45:31,770 --> 00:45:34,740
chronic fatigue. And it's just,
it's just a diagnosis of

675
00:45:34,740 --> 00:45:37,650
exclusion is like, we don't know
what's going on with you. So,

676
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,920
but you'll be surprised at how
difficult it is to get that

677
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:45,390
diagnosis because that diagnosis
is tied to disability. So

678
00:45:45,390 --> 00:45:49,140
security. And even though I've
never done that, that is a very

679
00:45:49,140 --> 00:45:54,660
diff, those are closely guarded
diagnoses. And I actually had me

680
00:45:54,660 --> 00:45:58,560
and my men, Melissa went, we
spent $10,000 to go to

681
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:03,870
California and see a specialist.
And just one part of the many

682
00:46:03,870 --> 00:46:06,960
1000s of dollars we spent over
the last six years to own my

683
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:12,030
condition. And we saw God Dr.
Kaufman out there, who is like a

684
00:46:12,030 --> 00:46:15,540
world you know, he's infectious
disease specialist. And so he

685
00:46:15,630 --> 00:46:20,250
gave me that diagnosis. Well,
there's a lot of, I mean, many

686
00:46:20,250 --> 00:46:22,860
people you talk to with CFS are
really good at hiding it.

687
00:46:23,070 --> 00:46:25,380
Because you get whenever you get
in public like I'm doing the

688
00:46:25,380 --> 00:46:28,320
podcast like right now I'm all
jacked up on adrenaline. Yeah.

689
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:32,820
And it overwhelms me overcome
it. So I can sort of like I can

690
00:46:32,820 --> 00:46:38,130
become the energy that I need to
be and then I'll crash later. So

691
00:46:38,130 --> 00:46:38,520
yeah,

692
00:46:38,549 --> 00:46:41,519
I mean, it's it's ladies and
gentlemen of the board. You

693
00:46:41,519 --> 00:46:45,839
heard it here. You heard it
here. We need to boost for Tiny

694
00:46:45,839 --> 00:46:51,509
Tim is your cue to you know, you
want 10s of 1000s of dollars to

695
00:46:51,509 --> 00:46:56,009
help his his his crippled leg.
He's walking with a stick.

696
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,700
I need a new crutch stick.

697
00:47:00,090 --> 00:47:03,510
Dave Jones I love you. I love
you. I will do I will do my

698
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:10,440
armpit. I will do a podcast with
you any day. Okay, taking a

699
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:15,330
breath. Hey, congratulations to
breeze who now is included

700
00:47:15,330 --> 00:47:20,160
booster grams I had a great is
really cool. So I see the

701
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,550
announcement. Today actually,
Roy ping me I boosted grams.

702
00:47:23,580 --> 00:47:26,760
Alright, so I get the new I'm on
graph, you know, so I get the

703
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:31,260
new the new version. And I go
for a booster gram. And just as

704
00:47:31,260 --> 00:47:34,320
messaged you know I'm missing
who to send it to. I'm missing a

705
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:38,370
change in amount. And I was so
jarred, it was almost like my

706
00:47:38,370 --> 00:47:40,890
one pod verse first came out
with boosts and there was no

707
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,780
confetti. It was like, Oh, no,
there's no Jesus. This is this

708
00:47:45,780 --> 00:47:49,110
is confetti. It's not happening.
We're not spraying SATs

709
00:47:49,110 --> 00:47:49,710
everywhere.

710
00:47:49,860 --> 00:47:52,290
Well, okay, this is also a
problem with cast ematic. Now,

711
00:47:52,290 --> 00:47:56,670
Frank Franco needs to hear this
too. I know this is hard. It's

712
00:47:56,670 --> 00:48:00,810
not easy on iOS. But frankly,
you've got to put the confetti

713
00:48:00,810 --> 00:48:04,920
in there. It's the brand man.
Yeah. Have you used cosmetic No,

714
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:05,580
you're Oh, no,

715
00:48:05,580 --> 00:48:07,020
no, I'm not an iOS. No.

716
00:48:07,469 --> 00:48:11,189
Okay. Okay, cast Matic you hit
the boost. And it just pops up a

717
00:48:11,189 --> 00:48:14,879
dialog that says boosts it with
an okay, but oh, no, it's not.

718
00:48:15,539 --> 00:48:16,229
Oh, no. Oh,

719
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:18,600
no, this is but this is we need
to strip him off his

720
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:24,060
compatibility sticker. Take his
podcast license away. It's doing

721
00:48:24,060 --> 00:48:24,720
it wrong.

722
00:48:27,570 --> 00:48:29,100
podcasting tupuna certified it.

723
00:48:29,099 --> 00:48:32,609
here's, here's what I love. So
I'm looking at this, I'm like,

724
00:48:32,639 --> 00:48:39,209
Ah, oh, man is hurt. So I hop
on, hop on a message with Roy

725
00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:44,639
and signal I dry man is going on
now. But you got to know about

726
00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:48,959
breeze. It breezes. These are
traditional software development

727
00:48:48,959 --> 00:48:51,599
cycles. These guys have cycles.
They've I don't know if they've

728
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:54,929
worked together before. But
they're very structured in their

729
00:48:54,929 --> 00:48:58,199
approach. And very structured.
And in prod. I think ROI is

730
00:48:58,199 --> 00:49:02,639
really a professional Product
Manager. At least that's what

731
00:49:02,639 --> 00:49:04,979
he's doing. In this case. That's
what he's doing. And he's doing

732
00:49:04,979 --> 00:49:08,189
a very, very good job. Because
he also does, you know, all the

733
00:49:08,189 --> 00:49:11,399
telegram, he's, you know, he's
on the GitHub, so he gets all

734
00:49:11,399 --> 00:49:13,949
the feedback, and he's kind of
that loop. And he has the

735
00:49:13,949 --> 00:49:18,839
perfect personality for to know.
Yeah. And so I say to him, Hey,

736
00:49:18,839 --> 00:49:23,189
ma'am. I'm missing. I'm missing
the amount. And, you know, we

737
00:49:23,189 --> 00:49:26,789
had this previously when they
first launched with, with boose.

738
00:49:26,819 --> 00:49:28,889
You know, it also was you
couldn't set the amount it was

739
00:49:28,889 --> 00:49:34,469
increments of 100. And, and, you
know, I'd like out, you know, I

740
00:49:34,469 --> 00:49:37,049
think it's really important
because numerology is often a

741
00:49:37,049 --> 00:49:40,229
part of the message. It's almost
like the subject line. And he

742
00:49:40,229 --> 00:49:42,419
was like, Well, you know, we're
gonna wait and see what what,

743
00:49:42,449 --> 00:49:46,139
you know what feedback we get. I
said, Well, should I open an

744
00:49:46,139 --> 00:49:49,319
issue on the GitHub I said, and
I sent him a couple of booster

745
00:49:49,319 --> 00:49:52,319
Graham messages. I copy and
pasted stuff we got in,

746
00:49:52,619 --> 00:49:56,459
including one which I'm sure we
will discuss today, which was a

747
00:49:56,459 --> 00:50:01,439
large boost to Graham and I
said, you know, Dude, just just

748
00:50:01,439 --> 00:50:04,109
look at look at, look at the
numbers, look at why it's

749
00:50:04,109 --> 00:50:08,729
important. And and then tell me
that that doesn't make sense.

750
00:50:09,449 --> 00:50:12,239
And what I love about Roy's he
said no need to open an issue.

751
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:16,410
I guess you know, I

752
00:50:16,410 --> 00:50:20,220
still don't i don't think i
haven't convinced about the

753
00:50:20,220 --> 00:50:23,520
booster Graham to all. And by
the way that is confusing for

754
00:50:23,580 --> 00:50:27,660
me. But no one seems to care,
everyone seems to like it. So in

755
00:50:27,660 --> 00:50:31,230
the midst of all this, Roy was
on What's that? What's the name

756
00:50:31,230 --> 00:50:33,780
of the podcast, he was on with
closing the lid and closing the

757
00:50:33,780 --> 00:50:39,690
loop which I was not subscribed
to. But I am now I dig that.

758
00:50:40,260 --> 00:50:45,930
Because you have very good show
and a very refreshing reminder

759
00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:51,720
of ROI while breeze their take
and how they are approaching the

760
00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:56,790
internet. Not like they are web
3.0. But they want to facilitate

761
00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:59,700
everything with a payment
system. So kind of going the

762
00:50:59,700 --> 00:51:02,910
opposite direction of what a lot
a lot of other people are doing.

763
00:51:03,030 --> 00:51:08,460
It is, in fact, I'm very happy
to boost the gram. Because even

764
00:51:08,460 --> 00:51:12,540
that he sees is not the way
forward but he integrated it to

765
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,900
because that's just what
podcasting 2.0 has presented.

766
00:51:15,900 --> 00:51:21,090
And I appreciate that. I heard
that he's doing live. And I'm

767
00:51:21,090 --> 00:51:27,000
going to translate what he said.
He's going to create only fans

768
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:30,930
for the lightning network. But
it will be completely open. So

769
00:51:30,930 --> 00:51:34,290
anybody can can use it that way
or in any other way. So a one to

770
00:51:34,290 --> 00:51:40,620
many live video streaming with
streaming satoshis. Now, I hope

771
00:51:40,620 --> 00:51:44,100
my hope is that we can integrate
that with the namespace spec

772
00:51:44,100 --> 00:51:46,200
because that's a lot of work
that he won't have to think

773
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:51,000
about. You know, because he a
typical breeze, they want to do

774
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,900
everything open protocols open
source. And so I'm hoping that,

775
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,210
you know, our solution will fit
into what they're thinking

776
00:51:57,210 --> 00:51:57,540
there.

777
00:51:58,139 --> 00:51:59,969
I don't see why I wouldn't I
mean that it

778
00:52:00,179 --> 00:52:03,329
well, you know, because there's
a disconnect. This is where the

779
00:52:03,329 --> 00:52:09,329
disconnect is. They are not in
the in the mastodon active as

780
00:52:09,329 --> 00:52:13,229
that's their culture of Bitcoin
is more telegram. And so they

781
00:52:13,229 --> 00:52:16,079
don't even know that how far we
are with activity pub and

782
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:20,729
messaging breeze is going to do
integrate with matrix

783
00:52:22,500 --> 00:52:25,530
that's well, that wouldn't stop
them from here. They wouldn't

784
00:52:25,530 --> 00:52:29,280
stop them from the from the live
only fans type?

785
00:52:29,699 --> 00:52:32,309
Oh, no, no, no, no, that it's
two separate days. It's two

786
00:52:32,309 --> 00:52:36,029
separate things. But we're doing
activity pub comments. That's,

787
00:52:36,029 --> 00:52:39,419
you know, that's the road, the
path we're on clearly. And I

788
00:52:39,419 --> 00:52:41,459
think we'll see an
implementation soon or there is

789
00:52:41,459 --> 00:52:47,459
an implementation. So now that
that's coming, where matrix is

790
00:52:47,459 --> 00:52:49,829
just different, you know, it's
just, it's, it's solving a

791
00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:53,279
different issue. And I don't
think that that works

792
00:52:53,309 --> 00:52:58,469
necessarily for us anyway. My
point is, that, you know, is so

793
00:52:58,469 --> 00:53:02,219
beautiful to have these things
kind of come come together and

794
00:53:02,219 --> 00:53:08,399
meld. And in the midst of all
this, Roy mentioned something

795
00:53:09,479 --> 00:53:12,899
about the company and I verified
it with him. And since they

796
00:53:12,899 --> 00:53:18,419
implemented podcasting 2.0 they
have made in fees Mind you, they

797
00:53:18,419 --> 00:53:26,639
take 5% about a Bitcoin and an
entire bit an entire Bitcoin. He

798
00:53:26,639 --> 00:53:29,159
was gonna get me the precise
information. But he said

799
00:53:29,159 --> 00:53:32,699
somewhere between 0.5 and one,
but he thinks it's closer to

800
00:53:32,699 --> 00:53:37,019
one, GS and that and i and i
believe that is without network

801
00:53:37,019 --> 00:53:37,589
fees.

802
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:44,490
that's a that's a lot of jack.
Ma that's, that tells me that 5%

803
00:53:45,150 --> 00:53:47,040
may be the magic number for
apps.

804
00:53:47,130 --> 00:53:50,220
I Well, first of all, I don't
know of a single person

805
00:53:50,220 --> 00:53:53,400
complaining about it. Now, if
you have now they have an

806
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,570
outstanding app they're doing
this app breeze is is really

807
00:53:57,780 --> 00:54:01,200
quite a piece of work. So I
don't know if everyone values

808
00:54:01,230 --> 00:54:05,310
every podcast app if the people
using it are valuing it as a

809
00:54:05,310 --> 00:54:12,720
podcast app or as a as a Swiss
Army Knife of Bitcoin. But I

810
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:15,990
would like to say to our app
developers, and really anybody I

811
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:20,550
have three rules of business.
And most app developers I know

812
00:54:20,580 --> 00:54:24,840
always violate number two. So
the three rules are don't run

813
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,680
out of money, go borrow it while
you still have some. When you

814
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,790
have no money is the best time
to go find money to hear it is

815
00:54:32,850 --> 00:54:37,470
do not negotiate against
yourself. And three, if you

816
00:54:37,470 --> 00:54:41,130
don't want to do something,
raise the price. And this

817
00:54:41,130 --> 00:54:44,250
negotiating against yourself is
something I've seen throughout

818
00:54:44,250 --> 00:54:48,150
my entire life. I've done it.
It's very hard you put yourself

819
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:53,910
into into its value for value,
by definition is negotiation

820
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:57,330
against yourself when you first
start to do it. Oh my god, I'm

821
00:54:57,330 --> 00:55:01,920
begging for money. Change your
word. Change your world, hey,

822
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:06,330
you're producing this show, step
up. You don't ask you don't get.

823
00:55:06,930 --> 00:55:14,190
Right. And so, you know, it's
always still a negotiation as to

824
00:55:14,190 --> 00:55:21,420
what you want to ask for your
services. But Holy crap, I mean,

825
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:26,430
that's a business. That's a
business that can be a full

826
00:55:26,430 --> 00:55:30,360
time. And I think that, you
know, Brees is, is focusing on a

827
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,710
lot of different things. If they
were only podcasting, 2.0, and

828
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:37,470
they were integrating the video,
that could be their business

829
00:55:37,500 --> 00:55:40,080
outside of all the other things
they do, and not saying they

830
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:44,160
should, by any means. But you
know, think about what can be

831
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:44,610
done,

832
00:55:45,900 --> 00:55:48,060
you know, had a similar
conversation with Mitch in

833
00:55:48,060 --> 00:55:51,930
Nashville, we're just doing some
napkin math about the value and

834
00:55:51,930 --> 00:55:54,720
salads and all that kind of
thing. Yeah, I mean, breezes a

835
00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:58,140
little bit heavier user base,
because of its Bitcoin, the

836
00:55:58,380 --> 00:56:03,660
Bitcoin draw there. But I mean,
even even if it was just say,

837
00:56:03,690 --> 00:56:09,870
5%, and you're bringing in, you
know, I don't know 500. Both out

838
00:56:09,900 --> 00:56:11,880
if, before you embark on that,

839
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:16,320
just one little piece of data.
What is not true, is that you

840
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:20,700
need lots of users of your app
to make good money. That is not

841
00:56:20,700 --> 00:56:24,900
true. And our our daily node
report that we get, which shows

842
00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:28,650
the, which shows our earnings
for the day, or on Sunday, for

843
00:56:28,650 --> 00:56:34,920
the week, on podcast index.org
shows that oftentimes, we make

844
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:41,310
more money in our in our fees
from booster grams, with far

845
00:56:41,310 --> 00:56:44,790
less transactions on certain
apps. In fact, I can probably

846
00:56:44,790 --> 00:56:48,210
point towards types of people
who might use a certain type of

847
00:56:48,210 --> 00:56:52,950
app who actually will boost
more. So it's not it's it's

848
00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:58,950
really about the app, I think
about experience that attracts

849
00:56:58,950 --> 00:57:02,520
people who use it in a certain
manner. So you don't have to be

850
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:08,130
the number one. The guy on the
block with users to make a

851
00:57:08,130 --> 00:57:10,170
decent living, does that make
sense? what I'm saying?

852
00:57:10,860 --> 00:57:14,040
Well, yeah, I agree. And that
kind of fits with what I was

853
00:57:14,070 --> 00:57:17,940
saying is, we were thinking,
Okay, let's just say baseline,

854
00:57:17,940 --> 00:57:23,940
you could, let's just say you
can make $500 a month with at a

855
00:57:23,940 --> 00:57:30,420
five, let's just say a 5%. From
streaming sets, within? Well, I

856
00:57:30,420 --> 00:57:32,550
mean, that may not sound like a
lot. But then what you've done

857
00:57:32,550 --> 00:57:35,400
is you've, you've maybe covered
your infrastructure cost. And

858
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:39,330
now all of your Apple
subscription annual subscription

859
00:57:39,330 --> 00:57:42,240
payments for your app that
people subscribed to. That's all

860
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:46,050
gravy at that point, like, you
can make day even if the day

861
00:57:46,770 --> 00:57:50,550
Hold on, let me take you back.
You don't need $500 a month, all

862
00:57:50,550 --> 00:57:56,310
you needed was that $150 to get
that tag renewed, your podcast

863
00:57:56,340 --> 00:58:02,580
audience would have boosted that
to you? Yes, yeah. Yeah, that's

864
00:58:02,580 --> 00:58:06,690
his scenario. Yeah, cuz you if
once you've got the the flow

865
00:58:06,690 --> 00:58:12,000
there, you can just make people
can boost straight to your app.

866
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,570
And if they know what you need,
they can know people will step

867
00:58:15,570 --> 00:58:17,640
up, and they'll help and they'll
do it. And

868
00:58:17,639 --> 00:58:22,109
I and I'm predicting to you now
and I have a very annoying habit

869
00:58:22,349 --> 00:58:25,259
of saying things are going to
happen. And then it takes 10

870
00:58:25,259 --> 00:58:31,049
years, but I am predicting for
you. The way forward is not on

871
00:58:31,079 --> 00:58:35,519
mass media. That is not the
trend. It's hard to admit it.

872
00:58:35,789 --> 00:58:40,409
The ratings are network
television is losing ratings

873
00:58:40,409 --> 00:58:45,419
left and light left and right.
The ratings company Nielsen, in

874
00:58:45,419 --> 00:58:49,709
fact is under attack. Because
the network's don't like how low

875
00:58:49,709 --> 00:58:52,769
the numbers are that they
report. They've lost their

876
00:58:52,769 --> 00:58:56,999
certification. Nielsen, the
ratings company has lost their

877
00:58:56,999 --> 00:59:01,289
certification, because they you
know, they reported six to 10%

878
00:59:01,289 --> 00:59:04,319
lower ratings than was fair,
according to the network's

879
00:59:04,319 --> 00:59:08,249
during the pandemic, and now
they're all moving towards plus

880
00:59:08,249 --> 00:59:12,209
three numbers and video on
demand numbers and YouTube

881
00:59:12,209 --> 00:59:16,109
numbers. They are changing right
before our very eyes the very

882
00:59:16,109 --> 00:59:21,029
definition of success in order
to hop on the Silicon Valley

883
00:59:21,029 --> 00:59:24,449
bandwagon which is Oh, you watch
the video for three seconds

884
00:59:24,539 --> 00:59:28,349
that's the view Yeah, yeah pay
up advertiser

885
00:59:28,409 --> 00:59:31,949
that's what they're doing. So
Nielsen is bogus but you but

886
00:59:31,949 --> 00:59:34,919
YouTube is somehow has more
accurate numbers. Exactly.

887
00:59:35,219 --> 00:59:38,339
What they want that they want
that again, I remind us that

888
00:59:38,369 --> 00:59:43,859
there was no outrage over a 27%
dip in in the numbers on

889
00:59:43,859 --> 00:59:46,739
podcasting. There was no outrage
because oh, it's just because

890
00:59:46,739 --> 00:59:49,019
Apple auto downloaded. I mean,

891
00:59:49,050 --> 00:59:50,580
it was numbers were more
accurate.

892
00:59:50,790 --> 00:59:53,100
Yeah, the numbers exactly more
accurate than ever. Now. That's

893
00:59:53,100 --> 00:59:57,030
been extrapolated and what it
doesn't matter. The game is

894
00:59:57,030 --> 01:00:03,930
over. It's just over advertised
has a place and, and it doesn't

895
01:00:03,930 --> 01:00:08,100
seem to be in podcasting that
can take into any kind of scale

896
01:00:08,100 --> 01:00:12,960
without massive compromise.
Every single Podcast Network in

897
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:17,820
the world has a division or is
building out or is doing

898
01:00:17,820 --> 01:00:21,360
exclusively podcasting for
corporate clients.

899
01:00:22,710 --> 01:00:23,730
Yes.

900
01:00:25,110 --> 01:00:29,220
Even the swanky new guys on the
scene that Cridland interviewed

901
01:00:29,220 --> 01:00:32,070
all we're gonna create great
content for podcast people can

902
01:00:32,070 --> 01:00:37,860
monetize? No, they are creating
things for corporations, which

903
01:00:37,860 --> 01:00:40,590
is the same that happened with
blogs, which is the same what

904
01:00:40,590 --> 01:00:44,190
happened with websites, it's
always the same. We all come

905
01:00:44,190 --> 01:00:46,680
out, we sell stuff to go We'll
make it we'll make it sound

906
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:50,250
authentic. We understand the hip
new audience, short lived

907
01:00:50,250 --> 01:00:56,250
strategy? And the answer is, we
have in fact, we I'm gonna say

908
01:00:56,250 --> 01:01:01,710
use the word, your podcast, what
is a pod? The pod is around the

909
01:01:01,710 --> 01:01:07,350
podcast it is eating is
inclusive of the people who are

910
01:01:07,380 --> 01:01:12,960
participating in the podcast
through multiple feedback

911
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:18,300
channels. And collectively, you
live in that pod. And whether

912
01:01:18,300 --> 01:01:21,480
that's a tribe or whatever you
want to call it and these pods

913
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,900
like bubbles, and sometimes two
bubbles connect and they meld

914
01:01:25,110 --> 01:01:28,290
and then there's crossover. And
maybe you're part of a bigger

915
01:01:28,290 --> 01:01:31,710
bubble. It's like the freedom
raft in Snow Crash. If anyone

916
01:01:31,740 --> 01:01:34,320
actually read the book to
everyone, everyone could talk

917
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:35,130
about metaverse.

918
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:40,110
I don't know how I feel about
your use of the word pie is very

919
01:01:40,110 --> 01:01:41,130
conflicted inside.

920
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:45,360
I know I do this to throw you
off. off balance, Dave, just to

921
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,600
see they're still listening.
total success. So a big thing

922
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,680
that I loved was the leaderboard
of booster grams. Who was doing

923
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,470
this? Because this blew me away.
I didn't even consider this as

924
01:01:55,470 --> 01:01:56,070
an idea.

925
01:01:56,430 --> 01:02:00,090
Oh, you talk about an balls?
Yes. And balls dot space. Yeah,

926
01:02:00,090 --> 01:02:04,350
so what we did there was they
had this leaderboard, it's

927
01:02:04,380 --> 01:02:07,530
hooked into just standard
lightning messages where you

928
01:02:07,530 --> 01:02:12,540
post a message back to their
lightning address their pub key.

929
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,200
And it's that WhatsApp style
message, that same thing that

930
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:21,240
like Sphinx uses. So you post
that in a TLV in then whoever,

931
01:02:21,810 --> 01:02:25,920
whoever has mucins, the higher
amount, they move up the message

932
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,040
board. So they're like on top,
it's like King of the Hill. And

933
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:33,090
then so I love this. I thought I
was like Well, you've got a

934
01:02:33,090 --> 01:02:36,960
whole group of podcast apps out
here they can send keys in. So

935
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,570
why don't so what I did was I
went in there and in the index

936
01:02:39,570 --> 01:02:44,640
and created a dummy podcast
called m m boss leaderboard or

937
01:02:44,670 --> 01:02:48,180
billboard or something like
that. He can find it index so

938
01:02:48,180 --> 01:02:51,540
that if you pull it up in your
podcast app in boost it with a

939
01:02:51,540 --> 01:02:54,660
booster gram, it shows up on
their on their leader.

940
01:02:56,610 --> 01:02:57,990
How do I spell m boss?

941
01:02:58,740 --> 01:03:00,120
A MB o SS?

942
01:03:01,679 --> 01:03:03,239
And whilst that space he said,

943
01:03:03,630 --> 01:03:06,930
Yeah, I think it's I think the
podcast is called like,

944
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,660
Oh, no, I was just wanting to
see there. I want to see the the

945
01:03:09,660 --> 01:03:10,680
website first.

946
01:03:10,949 --> 01:03:12,179
It's right there on the bottom.

947
01:03:12,630 --> 01:03:16,140
Yeah. Oh, okay. I see it. Oh,
the key Sen. Billboard.

948
01:03:16,590 --> 01:03:17,850
Yeah, yeah, keys. board.

949
01:03:17,850 --> 01:03:21,090
That's it. Oh, that's very cute.

950
01:03:21,570 --> 01:03:22,170
Yeah,

951
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:26,970
but this idea I mean, is you can
take this so far with donations,

952
01:03:27,780 --> 01:03:32,820
you know, for certain levels of
recognition for historical you

953
01:03:32,820 --> 01:03:36,000
know, I was here. Here's my
proof that I was a part of this

954
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:41,520
show, you know, in in 1989. It's
what we've been saying. Since

955
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,340
the beginning is once you have
programmable money,

956
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:48,360
and the gate is open, it's Yeah,
you open that star gate, man.

957
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:52,500
You can't there's nothing you
can do all kinds of crazy stuff.

958
01:03:53,610 --> 01:03:56,820
You can see on here on the on
the leaderboard, it's got this

959
01:03:56,820 --> 01:03:59,820
is a boost from pod friend. And
there's another one testing from

960
01:03:59,820 --> 01:04:00,420
pod friend

961
01:04:01,770 --> 01:04:07,200
is awesome. Also, I wanted to
congratulate Steven B. Yes, we

962
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:11,880
succeed, we succeed it works we
successfully use the Curio

963
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:19,020
caster RSS generator for the
previous episode. He actually

964
01:04:19,050 --> 01:04:22,680
had a mid stream fix a couple
days laters for the whitespace

965
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:27,330
is in the show notes which I
changed and re uploaded. But the

966
01:04:27,330 --> 01:04:30,990
point is it went well it went
smoothly it went very fast I

967
01:04:30,990 --> 01:04:33,540
felt so comfortable that after
three and a half hours of no

968
01:04:33,540 --> 01:04:35,910
agenda and that's just the
podcast we get to getting up at

969
01:04:35,910 --> 01:04:40,110
five I felt comfortable enough
to publish yesterday's no agenda

970
01:04:40,110 --> 01:04:43,140
episode through the RSS
generator which by the way that

971
01:04:43,170 --> 01:04:50,190
that is that is a big a big leap
of faith because a lot of shit

972
01:04:50,190 --> 01:04:54,090
happens when you when you screw
up the no agenda feed is a lot

973
01:04:54,090 --> 01:04:57,900
of social media to deal with and
a lot of emails, all men less

974
01:04:57,900 --> 01:04:58,410
helpful.

975
01:04:58,740 --> 01:05:03,750
How much how many So how much
how did you get any feedback at

976
01:05:03,750 --> 01:05:04,710
all? Or was it seamless

977
01:05:05,759 --> 01:05:08,909
was completely seamless I,
here's, here's the a few things

978
01:05:08,909 --> 01:05:15,569
that I, that I noticed one, just
on the because I love the whole

979
01:05:15,569 --> 01:05:20,759
process. And of course, this is
a desktop I realized that I had

980
01:05:20,759 --> 01:05:24,569
to upload my image since we do a
new image every single time.

981
01:05:24,869 --> 01:05:27,479
Because that just copy when you
create a new episode, you can

982
01:05:27,479 --> 01:05:31,679
copy the previous contents. And
there was there were some UI UX

983
01:05:31,679 --> 01:05:34,169
stuff that screwed me up and it
screwed up some other things

984
01:05:34,169 --> 01:05:38,879
with chap doesn't matter, that's
part of the testing process. So

985
01:05:38,879 --> 01:05:42,959
I had to actually paste in a new
URL, but then immediately that

986
01:05:42,959 --> 01:05:45,989
picture shows up in the, in the
editor interface, so I felt

987
01:05:45,989 --> 01:05:48,419
really comfortable that I'd done
it, right. You know, that's like

988
01:05:48,419 --> 01:05:52,259
those little feedback things.
And I've been, you know, devore

989
01:05:52,259 --> 01:05:55,349
I can I even got, you know, an
image for him for the for the

990
01:05:55,829 --> 01:06:00,089
first person tag, although not,
as I understand, now, those

991
01:06:00,089 --> 01:06:02,819
don't really show up if they're
at the episode level. So we need

992
01:06:02,819 --> 01:06:08,159
that at the at the feed level.
The I mean, it was, it was copy

993
01:06:08,159 --> 01:06:10,649
paste for the show notes, you
know, there's just a little

994
01:06:10,649 --> 01:06:16,349
extra setup because we hadn't
set up the person tag, etc. And

995
01:06:16,409 --> 01:06:20,669
it was good to go now I output
the file. And you know, I

996
01:06:20,669 --> 01:06:24,899
renamed it, and I opened it up,
I just double checked it, this

997
01:06:24,899 --> 01:06:28,199
whole process was much faster
than it usually takes on the

998
01:06:28,199 --> 01:06:32,219
freedom controller, because a
lot of was already prefilled out

999
01:06:32,219 --> 01:06:36,149
because you know, it just
whatever it was, it was easier.

1000
01:06:36,299 --> 01:06:39,269
Maybe it's easier to make for me
to make mistakes in the outline,

1001
01:06:39,269 --> 01:06:42,989
I'm not quite sure it also it
has sections. So the freedom

1002
01:06:42,989 --> 01:06:45,839
controller outline is just one
big outline. All the sections

1003
01:06:45,839 --> 01:06:49,229
are there and you change all the
values. And this is like okay,

1004
01:06:49,229 --> 01:06:51,659
here's the show notes section
now you're done with that you go

1005
01:06:51,659 --> 01:06:54,839
to the next one yeah, so you
kind of go into in a checklist

1006
01:06:54,839 --> 01:06:59,249
fashion which is good for you
know, crazy helicopter pilots

1007
01:06:59,249 --> 01:07:04,829
like me. What I realized and
this is where I congratulate

1008
01:07:04,829 --> 01:07:10,619
Stephen B is I am now completely
dependent upon Curio casters RSS

1009
01:07:10,619 --> 01:07:13,559
generator, for I have now
skipped an episode in the

1010
01:07:13,559 --> 01:07:18,449
freedom controller, if his if
his server is down. If it's not

1011
01:07:18,449 --> 01:07:24,449
responding, I cannot post an
episode. So I hereby also demand

1012
01:07:25,079 --> 01:07:30,749
that that we put a 5% split to
two Curio caster in this feed

1013
01:07:31,590 --> 01:07:33,360
in the podcast in the 2.0 feed.

1014
01:07:33,389 --> 01:07:37,319
Yeah, because he's not taken it.
He's taken his 1% or whatever.

1015
01:07:38,159 --> 01:07:42,599
He is now a critical part of of
this show. Because he's

1016
01:07:42,599 --> 01:07:45,089
infrastructure he's
infrastructure if it breaks,

1017
01:07:45,479 --> 01:07:48,419
what are we going to do? I mean,
I can create I can I can't even

1018
01:07:48,449 --> 01:07:50,669
I can't create the new episode.
We're gonna have to go to

1019
01:07:50,669 --> 01:07:53,159
freedom controller cut and paste
the new now it's not going to

1020
01:07:53,159 --> 01:07:53,579
happen.

1021
01:07:54,119 --> 01:07:56,909
Yeah, no, you once you skip an
episode, you're in the mirror,

1022
01:07:56,909 --> 01:07:57,359
you're in the

1023
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:03,600
host host host host. So I've put
the future and safety and

1024
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:07,680
security of my business partners
and my family, including two

1025
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:12,750
stepdaughters and family in
Indiana and Chicago, in your

1026
01:08:12,750 --> 01:08:13,770
hand Steven B.

1027
01:08:14,219 --> 01:08:18,089
This is how the vortex works
Steven you you've not you're not

1028
01:08:18,089 --> 01:08:20,609
these these sucked into the
vortex

1029
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:24,330
I also think it's a seminal
moment more people than ever I

1030
01:08:24,330 --> 01:08:27,960
think was a verge article by
talking about self hosting for

1031
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,930
the very reasons we took the
first portion of the show to

1032
01:08:30,930 --> 01:08:36,780
discuss people are moving away
from from the established

1033
01:08:36,780 --> 01:08:41,250
networks and and and I will just
say it again they're moving into

1034
01:08:41,250 --> 01:08:49,170
pods but the mastodon server is
a perfect example. mastodon is

1035
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:52,860
is a self hosting even though
it's you know, we kind of have a

1036
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:57,030
solutions provider for this but
it's not a Silicon Valley

1037
01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:00,990
venture funded network now we
still could actually have

1038
01:09:00,990 --> 01:09:05,070
problems with with with mass Oh
dot host who host on podcast

1039
01:09:05,070 --> 01:09:06,120
index style social

1040
01:09:07,710 --> 01:09:09,060
because so far they

1041
01:09:09,180 --> 01:09:14,940
know I mean, they I've sent
people there and said start your

1042
01:09:14,940 --> 01:09:17,430
thing over there and then it's
like oh, no, we do we don't

1043
01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:20,880
accept anyone who wants to
federate with no agenda. No

1044
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:25,050
agenda social media. Yeah, it is
you know because they they don't

1045
01:09:25,050 --> 01:09:28,620
want wrong think on their
servers. I'm not too worried now

1046
01:09:28,620 --> 01:09:31,470
I'm not too worried about now.
So no gender social calm is you

1047
01:09:31,470 --> 01:09:36,930
know, self hosted that's Matt
Hamilton. podcast indexes master

1048
01:09:36,930 --> 01:09:41,460
dot host and I don't ever expect
any problems but it could be it

1049
01:09:41,460 --> 01:09:43,650
could be anything you know,
someone could just say I don't I

1050
01:09:43,650 --> 01:09:46,140
think this is wrong with this
person is saying and I think

1051
01:09:46,140 --> 01:09:50,550
it's bad and should be reported
or some of the lots of the

1052
01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:54,600
reporting goes on. That's not
done. But if you're self hosted,

1053
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,480
then at least they can't take
away your community your pod,

1054
01:09:57,750 --> 01:10:01,380
but you can easily get blocked
by by other instances forcing

1055
01:10:01,380 --> 01:10:08,640
people to find yet basically,
Silicon Valley is now recognized

1056
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:13,740
in the network known as the
internet as a bug. And we're

1057
01:10:13,740 --> 01:10:15,060
just routing around it

1058
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:21,930
is no problem. It's a it's a
firewall that you have to play

1059
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,780
punch through with with an you
know, NAT traversal.

1060
01:10:25,410 --> 01:10:28,020
Yeah, exactly. You just Yeah,
exactly.

1061
01:10:28,890 --> 01:10:34,560
And like that. That's, I mean,
to tour. The tour. I think a

1062
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:36,840
tour is a stupid idea. From his
standpoint,

1063
01:10:36,870 --> 01:10:41,700
it's undervalued. of privacy.
No, it's undervalued. I'll tell

1064
01:10:41,700 --> 01:10:45,000
you why it's undervalued for me.
I couldn't for the life of me

1065
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:50,100
get any ports open properly on
my sub Yes, my sub my knotted

1066
01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:55,260
knotted Bitcoin node. My raspy
Blitz, but boy, does it work

1067
01:10:55,260 --> 01:10:56,070
with tour.

1068
01:10:56,460 --> 01:10:59,010
Yep. That's why I'm like if
you're if you're trying to use

1069
01:10:59,010 --> 01:11:02,430
Tor to like, you know, get away
from be shady and get away from

1070
01:11:02,430 --> 01:11:04,770
the government. You know, you
got another urinated. You

1071
01:11:04,770 --> 01:11:06,780
got Yeah, you got another thing
coming to the endpoint.

1072
01:11:07,230 --> 01:11:10,980
Yeah, but if, but if you need to
set up your stuff without using

1073
01:11:10,980 --> 01:11:14,040
something stupid like UPnP.
towards your guy.

1074
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:15,900
Yeah. Yeah, totally. There's

1075
01:11:15,900 --> 01:11:19,590
no, there's no ports. There's
nothing to just work. Beautiful,

1076
01:11:19,770 --> 01:11:23,490
is you can run your own servers,
your own sites, everything from

1077
01:11:23,490 --> 01:11:24,270
it is awesome.

1078
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:27,690
Yeah. It's not the fastest in
the world. But it gets the job

1079
01:11:27,690 --> 01:11:28,920
done. gets the job done.

1080
01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:37,320
I like the way that our episodes
are breaking down here. our

1081
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:41,850
interview with open from last
That was awesome. A lot of

1082
01:11:41,940 --> 01:11:43,410
people commented on that. Yeah,
a

1083
01:11:43,410 --> 01:11:48,750
lot of people commented on that.
I was just smiling from ear to

1084
01:11:48,750 --> 01:11:52,050
ear. When I was x. I listened to
the show again, because I was

1085
01:11:52,050 --> 01:11:54,540
just I listened to most of our
shows, I guess.

1086
01:11:55,860 --> 01:11:58,290
Do you listen, you listen to it?
Because I listen to our shows

1087
01:11:58,290 --> 01:11:58,560
too.

1088
01:11:58,590 --> 01:12:04,380
Yeah, I sometimes I'll listen to
no agenda for a bit or to see

1089
01:12:04,380 --> 01:12:08,010
how you know how something came
across. You know that thank you

1090
01:12:08,010 --> 01:12:13,680
drug for your chapter work. Mo
facts I cannot listen to again.

1091
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:19,320
Because that's, you know, I I
have my own takeaway and it's

1092
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:22,800
just I just want to leave it
where it is. But this show y'all

1093
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:26,790
listen all the way through. And
so you know, it was so fun to

1094
01:12:26,790 --> 01:12:31,620
hear him say when he he had
didn't really know about booster

1095
01:12:31,620 --> 01:12:34,020
grams. And then he's just like,
you guys are magicians,

1096
01:12:35,370 --> 01:12:36,600
Gandalf and Dumbledore.

1097
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:40,140
He cracked me up man.

1098
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:45,000
My favorite part was my favorite
part personally was when you

1099
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,760
called out the German people for
their genocide in Namibia.

1100
01:12:49,050 --> 01:12:54,630
It's true. I know. But it's who
the who knew who knew that the

1101
01:12:54,630 --> 01:12:59,340
German genocide test was in
Namibia. So we got a guest

1102
01:12:59,340 --> 01:13:02,730
coming. I'm like, Oh, well,
here's here's my standard for

1103
01:13:02,730 --> 01:13:07,170
anything in Africa. I will
search for name of African

1104
01:13:07,170 --> 01:13:11,040
country plus China. That's where
I start. Yeah. So if you want to

1105
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:13,830
know what happened in Guinea
this week, you know, where,

1106
01:13:14,370 --> 01:13:17,490
where all of a sudden, there's a
military coup, where the guy

1107
01:13:17,490 --> 01:13:23,730
trained by the CIA, G and then
you see g a very rare moment g

1108
01:13:23,730 --> 01:13:26,340
says, Hey, man, you know, this
is not cool. But this is our

1109
01:13:26,340 --> 01:13:30,990
guy, because they completely own
Guinea is like, oh,

1110
01:13:31,020 --> 01:13:34,740
anyway. Yeah, that's like a
Middle Eastern name of Middle

1111
01:13:34,740 --> 01:13:38,460
Eastern country plus pipeline.
standard fare.

1112
01:13:38,490 --> 01:13:40,800
Yeah. That's that's how you do
it. That's how you learn about

1113
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:42,330
the world. That's your history
lesson.

1114
01:13:44,250 --> 01:13:46,140
Do we want to boost pranks on

1115
01:13:46,140 --> 01:13:48,960
people? Yeah, we want to boost
the grams first. And then we'll

1116
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:53,670
do the the cookbooks This is the
value for value feedback loop

1117
01:13:53,670 --> 01:13:56,970
and it's getting more fun every
single day, particularly with

1118
01:13:56,970 --> 01:14:00,480
booster grams and people are
switching from Pay Pal to

1119
01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:03,960
booster gram and really
appreciate that. So you can go

1120
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,990
to podcast index.org get on the
bottom there's a Donate button,

1121
01:14:06,990 --> 01:14:10,470
the red one you click on that or
even in this app right now, if

1122
01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:12,660
you're using a podcasting two
point app, there's a funding

1123
01:14:12,660 --> 01:14:16,080
link. I don't say this one
enough. You just tap on that

1124
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:19,950
where it says I think in like
pod verse it's a little money,

1125
01:14:20,190 --> 01:14:23,970
little money coin dollar thing
and tap on that. It'll open

1126
01:14:23,970 --> 01:14:27,840
right up. You can send us your
Fiat fun coupons. But we love

1127
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:30,240
the new boosted grams and want
to see as many people as

1128
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:33,150
possible switch. Who do we have
to thank today, Jay? Dave?

1129
01:14:33,750 --> 01:14:35,760
shave? I said shave. Yeah, I

1130
01:14:35,759 --> 01:14:40,799
don't know why. Let's see. Well,
jedem we have a mic. We have

1131
01:14:40,799 --> 01:14:45,629
Mike Newman. Might he is the
keeper of the team's repo that

1132
01:14:45,959 --> 01:14:48,389
gives proper credit to everybody
for their for their

1133
01:14:48,389 --> 01:14:50,579
contributions to podcasting.
tupuna

1134
01:14:50,700 --> 01:14:51,960
Ah, yes, yes.

1135
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:54,810
Thank you for doing that. Mike
Newman, you know what I've got a

1136
01:14:54,810 --> 01:14:58,920
problem with. I don't think I do
it all the time. But I have a

1137
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:03,870
problem with smacking I'll start
that way and I need to stop.

1138
01:15:04,170 --> 01:15:09,000
It's really it's really more a
it's a, you can remove that with

1139
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:13,110
your processing it I don't do
you hear it that much on the

1140
01:15:13,110 --> 01:15:18,270
show? I don't. I don't know. I
don't know hear me. Okay. No, I

1141
01:15:18,270 --> 01:15:21,090
filter all that out. In fact,
you sound like a woman on the

1142
01:15:21,090 --> 01:15:21,450
show.

1143
01:15:24,870 --> 01:15:32,820
We can talk later. Mike Newman
gave us 77,777 SATs.

1144
01:15:33,450 --> 01:15:35,130
This was the one I showed Roy.

1145
01:15:37,140 --> 01:15:39,120
He's like, Oh, yeah, that
numerology thing. That's pretty

1146
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:39,300
good.

1147
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:41,700
Well, but truly, it didn't
matter. It wouldn't have

1148
01:15:41,700 --> 01:15:47,610
mattered if it was 777 or 77 for
this astronomical number, but it

1149
01:15:47,610 --> 01:15:51,930
was beautiful because it just
come in that day. Let me just

1150
01:15:51,930 --> 01:15:54,990
grab something from today's
batch. Oh, look what I found.

1151
01:15:55,170 --> 01:15:56,190
What is Mike say?

1152
01:15:56,969 --> 01:16:02,099
Mike says Adam wants these
briefs. So this is a PC 2.0

1153
01:16:02,099 --> 01:16:05,609
birthday booster slam that
launches me over the T shirt

1154
01:16:05,609 --> 01:16:09,509
threshold. phase four namespace
looks halt. Thank you for your

1155
01:16:09,509 --> 01:16:11,519
core carries. Love is lit.

1156
01:16:13,620 --> 01:16:17,640
Man, thank you so much. David
Newman. I love that. I love

1157
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:20,970
that. And also congratulations
to the lightning network.

1158
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:22,500
Yes,

1159
01:16:22,590 --> 01:16:26,670
I mean, that's that's that's not
that's not a micro payment. You

1160
01:16:26,670 --> 01:16:29,520
know, that's a that's a baller
boost if we ever saw one.

1161
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:35,520
Let's see. He sent he's clearly
sent in some accounting here and

1162
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:41,850
he said 36 that was $36 at the
time he boosted Yes, this is a

1163
01:16:41,850 --> 01:16:43,650
big boost. That's a badass

1164
01:16:43,650 --> 01:16:46,140
boost. Yes and T shirt on the
way.

1165
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:52,290
Yeah, man. Thanks, Mike. Thank
you, Mike. See some Tell me if

1166
01:16:52,290 --> 01:16:55,530
you think this is the case. It
looks like all the breeze.

1167
01:16:55,860 --> 01:17:00,240
booster grams are are anonymous.
They don't have names with them.

1168
01:17:00,570 --> 01:17:04,290
Yeah, they don't because there's
no there's no there's no name to

1169
01:17:04,290 --> 01:17:06,180
put in the app. Gosh, I

1170
01:17:06,180 --> 01:17:08,610
guess I missed that in the
message. I'm

1171
01:17:08,639 --> 01:17:13,229
I'm I missed that one. Crap.
Something Oh, but that's going

1172
01:17:13,229 --> 01:17:15,689
to open up a whole new candidate
can of worms.

1173
01:17:16,590 --> 01:17:18,960
Well, just know that if you're
boosting through breeze and you

1174
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:21,930
want credit, you got to put it
in the message put in messenger.

1175
01:17:23,310 --> 01:17:26,550
Anonymous 1000 SATs is boost
grand number two because the

1176
01:17:26,550 --> 01:17:27,990
first one was only 100 SATs.
Yeah.

1177
01:17:27,990 --> 01:17:32,190
Thank you. There you go. You did
not negotiate against yourself.

1178
01:17:32,490 --> 01:17:32,910
No.

1179
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:38,730
Another breeze anonymous 1000
SATs. Oh, this is not this is

1180
01:17:38,730 --> 01:17:42,420
not anonymous because it says
love from satoshis. Does stream

1181
01:17:43,980 --> 01:17:48,780
satoshis dot stream who opened
it? not one but two to 5 million

1182
01:17:48,780 --> 01:17:50,070
SAP channels to us.

1183
01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:53,820
Oh, yeah, there's big channels,
although I think they can't what

1184
01:17:53,820 --> 01:17:54,360
big channels

1185
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:59,130
you have. I know. Right? But and
I think that they've pushed a

1186
01:17:59,130 --> 01:18:01,980
lot of that first one to our
end. So you know, we're

1187
01:18:01,980 --> 01:18:03,270
basically balanced.

1188
01:18:03,870 --> 01:18:04,380
Oh, well.

1189
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:07,650
Yeah. Because they they give us
a piece of when people are

1190
01:18:07,650 --> 01:18:09,960
taking it out. They give us a
percentage. That's where they

1191
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:12,870
help us. And that's really
appreciated.

1192
01:18:13,770 --> 01:18:17,250
That service is getting tired.
They're doing good stuff. See?

1193
01:18:17,580 --> 01:18:22,260
anonymous from breeze for 100
SATs. Oh, this must be the the

1194
01:18:22,260 --> 01:18:27,000
f4 mentioned 100 set mistake in
the messages. A fat fingered

1195
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:40,110
this. Okay. See? arrows, arrow
statica D The Who? He who

1196
01:18:40,110 --> 01:18:46,650
invented the term booster. gram.
Yes. Gave us 10,000 SATs. Yes.

1197
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:50,670
You expect that you expect the
booster grandfather? The booster

1198
01:18:50,700 --> 01:18:54,570
the booster dad, you'd expect
you'd expect him to you know to

1199
01:18:54,570 --> 01:18:59,190
know what a true boost is? Oh
yeah, that's a 10k is a boost

1200
01:18:59,190 --> 01:18:59,730
baby.

1201
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:02,490
Well, I mean, you get to
determine you get to say what is

1202
01:19:02,490 --> 01:19:04,650
a podcast and what is not and he
gets to determine what a

1203
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:05,730
histogram is. That's right.

1204
01:19:06,059 --> 01:19:08,249
And so we're oh it's all
copacetic

1205
01:19:08,519 --> 01:19:12,029
Yeah, I had to pull over and
boost because some guy in Africa

1206
01:19:12,029 --> 01:19:14,189
just said the word booster grant
I'm psyched about

1207
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:20,940
of course. You did that bro. You
created that in that fun? It's

1208
01:19:20,940 --> 01:19:24,660
like it's like you know it's
like the the first the first

1209
01:19:24,660 --> 01:19:27,210
confetti from which swings did
first

1210
01:19:27,900 --> 01:19:30,660
no Yeah, you do and it's like
who are you

1211
01:19:30,690 --> 01:19:33,150
and I just see it everywhere you
know as it makes you feel good

1212
01:19:33,150 --> 01:19:34,710
makes you feel part of a pod.

1213
01:19:35,790 --> 01:19:43,950
Stop offering my system gave us
49,049 said holy

1214
01:19:43,950 --> 01:19:46,980
crap. Boost Thank you so much.

1215
01:19:47,430 --> 01:19:51,450
Over Citadel checking in for the
board meeting boost. Nice.

1216
01:19:54,390 --> 01:19:59,040
Little we got here. Our buddy
Karen. Karen down from the mere

1217
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:00,600
mortals podcast. Listen to this

1218
01:20:00,630 --> 01:20:05,340
great appearance, Dave. Oh,
thank great you're on an

1219
01:20:05,340 --> 01:20:08,520
interview tour. I was not
informed because I typically

1220
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:12,990
like to drive the campaign bus
but okay. You want on a full on?

1221
01:20:13,020 --> 01:20:17,850
You've been on the bus cast,
you're on the mere mortals. The

1222
01:20:17,850 --> 01:20:20,940
mere mortals was really good.
Oh, thanks.

1223
01:20:22,500 --> 01:20:23,370
Karen Greg,

1224
01:20:23,580 --> 01:20:28,050
it seriously very, it was, yeah,
you have such a good demeanor

1225
01:20:28,050 --> 01:20:32,670
about you. Thank you, and you're
very complimentary of me. So

1226
01:20:32,670 --> 01:20:34,470
again, a great appearance.

1227
01:20:37,980 --> 01:20:44,760
Boost incoming karrin gave us
11 123 sets. And he says he

1228
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:47,640
always he always has really good
notes. He says open was such a

1229
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:51,030
blast amazing energy. Is there
any sort of way to notify or

1230
01:20:51,030 --> 01:20:54,930
maybe emphasize to a new podcast
or enabling value for value on

1231
01:20:54,930 --> 01:20:58,530
podcast or wallet calm to alert
them about the power of booster

1232
01:20:58,530 --> 01:21:01,710
grams actually sent open a
booster gram a month ago and

1233
01:21:01,710 --> 01:21:05,580
like you mentioned it's nice to
have that loop closed so that I

1234
01:21:05,610 --> 01:21:08,040
as a listener, have a good
assurance that my messages are

1235
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:10,530
going through. Great to have you
back after the break and

1236
01:21:10,530 --> 01:21:12,870
congrats on reaching the 2.0
anniversary.

1237
01:21:13,380 --> 01:21:18,270
Thank you Now did I know we
opened a channel to open did he

1238
01:21:18,270 --> 01:21:20,790
get the script is he squared
squared away in the booster gram

1239
01:21:20,790 --> 01:21:23,190
script so he's got all that well
I

1240
01:21:23,190 --> 01:21:26,940
sent it to him and he said he's
not real great at Python but he

1241
01:21:26,940 --> 01:21:30,150
would tell me if he needs help.
Okay and I haven't heard back so

1242
01:21:30,150 --> 01:21:31,110
I'm gonna assume

1243
01:21:31,110 --> 01:21:36,510
because I also want to put How
do you know if I can do this?

1244
01:21:37,230 --> 01:21:42,930
Can we go and wonder if in the
Curio caster RSS generator can I

1245
01:21:42,930 --> 01:21:46,620
go I don't Can I go back and
edit a previous episode because

1246
01:21:46,620 --> 01:21:49,200
I'd like to put him in the
episode level block

1247
01:21:49,830 --> 01:21:51,180
down man I got no clue.

1248
01:21:52,230 --> 01:21:56,340
How about this? How about just
I'm sorry to interrupt but for

1249
01:21:56,370 --> 01:22:01,650
for today. Why don't we put just
as a test to see how it works

1250
01:22:01,770 --> 01:22:07,860
with Curio caster it was an
episode, episode level split.

1251
01:22:07,860 --> 01:22:12,810
Yeah. Now I know if it reads if
we have episode level splits, do

1252
01:22:12,810 --> 01:22:15,660
I have to put everybody in there
otherwise they don't get paid?

1253
01:22:15,660 --> 01:22:19,320
Or if it's or does it always
look at the default too and you

1254
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:22,860
know, like kind of the way
everything works in RSS.

1255
01:22:23,310 --> 01:22:26,250
It's a full override full
override and look Yeah, it's

1256
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:28,560
only going to look it's not
going to like merge it with the

1257
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:29,070
channel.

1258
01:22:29,100 --> 01:22:33,810
Okay, hold on. So if I go to he
was on episode was that 50 to

1259
01:22:33,930 --> 01:22:35,790
two? Yes. Okay, so

1260
01:22:35,790 --> 01:22:40,050
and if I just say turn on RSS
editor Hold on. Let

1261
01:22:40,050 --> 01:22:44,520
me see if this works. I can
always edit it by hand and put

1262
01:22:44,550 --> 01:22:47,550
on Oh, dude, I can edit it. I
can edit it right here. I can go

1263
01:22:47,550 --> 01:22:53,220
back and edit any episode.
Steven be beautiful. You are an

1264
01:22:53,220 --> 01:22:55,860
electrician like none. It's

1265
01:22:56,940 --> 01:22:58,710
just well welcome to the vortex
David.

1266
01:22:59,010 --> 01:23:04,710
I screwed we know we know what
this is. We've we've been

1267
01:23:04,710 --> 01:23:08,070
through this. We know this joy.
Hey, that's great. Okay, so I

1268
01:23:08,070 --> 01:23:10,710
can go back and put that in. Are
we gonna Should we try episode

1269
01:23:10,710 --> 01:23:14,910
level blocks today? So we do
we'll repeat everything we do

1270
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:18,780
for the full override and add in
Curio casters and extra Benny

1271
01:23:18,780 --> 01:23:21,540
for the 5% as a test and we can
add them at the top later.

1272
01:23:22,110 --> 01:23:24,450
Yeah, okay, let's do it.
Alright, because it could screw

1273
01:23:24,450 --> 01:23:29,970
everything up. So just saying
she's not no agenda is the is

1274
01:23:29,970 --> 01:23:36,240
your other show. That other
show? No that no, that other

1275
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:38,160
show is both x this is that
other

1276
01:23:38,190 --> 01:23:39,780
other other other show?

1277
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:49,350
Yeah. All right. The z be beavin
our b e a V in Oh, you are

1278
01:23:50,130 --> 01:23:55,350
leaving our sounds rice 10,000
SATs. She says here's some

1279
01:23:55,980 --> 01:23:57,480
here's some stats to stack

1280
01:23:57,510 --> 01:24:01,020
Thank you very much. Hold on a
second I got to do a call out.

1281
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:08,010
And now as the French say it is
time for the boost not not

1282
01:24:08,010 --> 01:24:11,550
having enough foreigners that
boost us got to talk to them in

1283
01:24:11,550 --> 01:24:12,390
their own language.

1284
01:24:13,050 --> 01:24:14,100
So they understand

1285
01:24:15,450 --> 01:24:16,650
also works in Iran.

1286
01:24:17,580 --> 01:24:18,390
It does

1287
01:24:18,510 --> 01:24:22,650
French French it's Africa
everywhere. Oh yeah. The French

1288
01:24:22,650 --> 01:24:26,430
man that they they get a pass on
that whole colonialism thing.

1289
01:24:26,430 --> 01:24:29,310
But we know we know what's going
on. They still control the money

1290
01:24:29,310 --> 01:24:30,720
of six African countries.

1291
01:24:31,019 --> 01:24:32,879
Yeah, it's like it never
happened.

1292
01:24:33,599 --> 01:24:35,309
Or it's not got nothing to see
here.

1293
01:24:35,820 --> 01:24:44,490
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Si p c psi Mac
p psi ma si. Si IMAX. IMAX.

1294
01:24:44,490 --> 01:24:48,900
That's what I'm gonna say.
Beside Mac 1000 SATs and he says

1295
01:24:48,930 --> 01:24:54,150
adding to my monthly donation.
Hashtag no tip. Yay. Exactly.

1296
01:24:54,270 --> 01:24:55,170
Not tipping,

1297
01:24:55,349 --> 01:24:57,149
not tipping podcast.

1298
01:25:01,170 --> 01:25:07,110
The mozzie BMA si gave us 333
sets. He says, Welcome back and

1299
01:25:07,110 --> 01:25:10,380
this last week and check over
and over, hoping it was just

1300
01:25:10,380 --> 01:25:11,940
late. The

1301
01:25:11,940 --> 01:25:15,450
mass. Yeah, exactly. And I want
everyone to pay attention how

1302
01:25:15,450 --> 01:25:18,750
disruptive that was. We've been
so consistent with this show.

1303
01:25:19,140 --> 01:25:22,170
Very proud of our consistency.
This one just really, really

1304
01:25:22,170 --> 01:25:24,780
didn't work for a whole bunch of
reasons, which I think we should

1305
01:25:24,780 --> 01:25:28,410
just blame on Dave's health. And
we can just say, now that we are

1306
01:25:28,410 --> 01:25:31,350
now it's out in the open, Master
Dave's health we couldn't do the

1307
01:25:31,350 --> 01:25:39,360
show this. But I think everyone
felt off kilter. He felt he felt

1308
01:25:39,390 --> 01:25:43,170
really weird, like something's
wrong. And so this whole idea of

1309
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:48,030
of, of podcasting, I just want
to reiterate the thing I say

1310
01:25:48,030 --> 01:25:52,560
every single time, consistency
is key. People adjust their

1311
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:55,590
lives. Now, you may put it up on
a Wednesday, and people may not

1312
01:25:55,590 --> 01:26:01,440
listen to it until Thursday
morning. But if you shift

1313
01:26:01,440 --> 01:26:06,270
everything shifts, and and
people get, I mean, this is like

1314
01:26:06,270 --> 01:26:09,810
orange pill. I love the orange
pill podcast. They're doing a

1315
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:14,640
you know, the F Ilan tour. And
now I rarely listen to the last

1316
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:18,120
Wednesday one, but because I
like it when they have guests.

1317
01:26:18,480 --> 01:26:21,750
And somehow they've mixed it up.
Sometimes they skip the Sunday,

1318
01:26:21,750 --> 01:26:24,390
which was horrible, because
Sunday is the guest day and

1319
01:26:24,390 --> 01:26:26,490
that's where I want to
decompress and listen to

1320
01:26:26,490 --> 01:26:30,720
something else after you have no
agenda. And it's either not been

1321
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:35,070
there or the Wednesday shows up
on Friday, and I'm messed up.

1322
01:26:35,310 --> 01:26:36,360
And I'm upset.

1323
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:40,710
Man, I'm the same way with pod
news is sometimes of a wake up

1324
01:26:40,740 --> 01:26:44,220
if it's not there. It's not
there. Like if I wake up early

1325
01:26:44,310 --> 01:26:46,980
in pot, and I'm like, Oh, wait,
it's like it's like 30 minutes

1326
01:26:46,980 --> 01:26:47,280
early.

1327
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:50,910
That happens to me on Saturdays.
I wake up Where's pot news?

1328
01:26:51,900 --> 01:26:52,650
Saturday?

1329
01:26:52,980 --> 01:26:56,850
Yeah, cuz I've got the whole
routine. I boost. A boost 2112

1330
01:26:56,850 --> 01:27:00,120
SATs every every episode at the
very beginning. And I'm like,

1331
01:27:00,210 --> 01:27:02,070
I'm just lost. I'm like, What am
I doing?

1332
01:27:02,130 --> 01:27:06,120
Oh, no, no, no, I only stream
one set a minute as punishment.

1333
01:27:07,290 --> 01:27:10,530
Yeah, I once said, Oh, yeah, no,
I'm totally one set a minute. So

1334
01:27:10,530 --> 01:27:14,040
you get three sets, but I'm a
booster. So I'm fair. If

1335
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:16,110
something's good that I'm going
to boost you, I'm going to boost

1336
01:27:16,110 --> 01:27:19,740
you, I'm going to boost you 1000
or 500. And I'll do that a

1337
01:27:19,740 --> 01:27:25,230
couple times. But otherwise, no.
Once once. It's like it cost

1338
01:27:25,230 --> 01:27:32,070
somebody more for me to do that.
It doesn't even go doesn't

1339
01:27:32,070 --> 01:27:33,480
actually leave the station.

1340
01:27:35,609 --> 01:27:42,209
It stops on LNP. Okay, but
mozzies and another one 333.

1341
01:27:42,209 --> 01:27:49,709
sets. Yes to still think value
for value. Hmm. Okay, that's all

1342
01:27:49,709 --> 01:27:50,609
the histograms

1343
01:27:50,670 --> 01:27:53,910
Well, we really appreciate the
booster grams. What if this

1344
01:27:53,910 --> 01:27:57,930
segment is starting to be good?
And it's just and here you go.

1345
01:27:57,930 --> 01:28:01,050
This is part of what we were
missing. And it's not even about

1346
01:28:01,050 --> 01:28:04,950
the money or the SATs or the
it's about the loop being

1347
01:28:04,950 --> 01:28:10,980
closed. This is cool. The take
that take that Brookings

1348
01:28:11,639 --> 01:28:17,339
lady, Brookings lady, the next
her next article wive why the

1349
01:28:17,369 --> 01:28:19,919
dark net of internet
programmable money and

1350
01:28:19,919 --> 01:28:22,709
podcasting is evil and needs to
be stopped. That's right.

1351
01:28:22,770 --> 01:28:26,760
And then I have pictures of us
with black bars over our eyes.

1352
01:28:26,849 --> 01:28:28,079
No with wizard hats.

1353
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:31,560
And Dred Scott will just have
his actual profile picture.

1354
01:28:36,780 --> 01:28:41,010
These these two progression that
money wizards face,

1355
01:28:41,580 --> 01:28:45,150
and there'll be a quote they'll
be quote pokin from Namibia says

1356
01:28:45,180 --> 01:28:48,300
these guys are magicians. I
mean, it's perfect. I can see

1357
01:28:48,300 --> 01:28:52,950
it. I can see now to the Fiat
fund coupons.

1358
01:28:52,979 --> 01:28:57,029
theophan coupons. $100 from
Thomas Sullivan Jr.

1359
01:28:57,270 --> 01:28:58,680
Does he already have a T shirt?

1360
01:28:59,490 --> 01:29:01,470
He says Emma says Lord.

1361
01:29:02,550 --> 01:29:04,530
Right on Thank you. Thank you,
Thomas.

1362
01:29:05,010 --> 01:29:07,260
He says thank you to Adam and
Dave go podcasting.

1363
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:14,580
Yay. Oh, misfire. Yeah, well,
there was one in the chamber

1364
01:29:14,580 --> 01:29:15,030
already.

1365
01:29:15,059 --> 01:29:23,099
Sorry. You stovepipe it was Oh,
here we got monthly donors here.

1366
01:29:23,369 --> 01:29:27,719
Let's see, by the way with some
of these monthly donors never

1367
01:29:27,749 --> 01:29:30,209
like send us a messages or
anything. If anybody on here

1368
01:29:30,209 --> 01:29:32,279
needs us to pick up some stuff
for you. I mean, let us know.

1369
01:29:32,279 --> 01:29:32,819
Yeah, please

1370
01:29:32,820 --> 01:29:36,450
do the monthly should monthly is
are so important. The monthly is

1371
01:29:36,450 --> 01:29:38,280
really keep the server's
running.

1372
01:29:38,849 --> 01:29:43,229
I try to I try to give you know
info about each person if I can,

1373
01:29:43,259 --> 01:29:45,989
if I know but some of the people
just don't know if you got stuff

1374
01:29:45,989 --> 01:29:50,519
to do. So listen, I'm David
metus. Good old David gave us

1375
01:29:50,519 --> 01:29:56,609
$10 Fun Fact Friday podcast gets
you. Joseph maraca gave us $5

1376
01:29:57,059 --> 01:30:04,289
Cameron Rose $25 Jeremy Knew $5
Greg Thomas $5 Lauren ball

1377
01:30:04,319 --> 01:30:16,289
$24.20 pod verse gives $50 pod
verse there. James, if you're

1378
01:30:16,289 --> 01:30:21,269
listening, get with Mitch, about
the accessibility stuff that

1379
01:30:21,269 --> 01:30:22,739
he's done in part first, you
know,

1380
01:30:22,740 --> 01:30:26,430
I sent this off to the three
blind guys this is so important

1381
01:30:26,430 --> 01:30:33,150
i've i've had deep contact with
the with what is I don't forget

1382
01:30:33,150 --> 01:30:35,760
what the politically correct
term is these days but anyway

1383
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:40,860
the blind community, as I always
say, googly eyed mofos they love

1384
01:30:40,860 --> 01:30:45,180
me. Yeah, but but from what for?
What for 18 years you know it's

1385
01:30:45,180 --> 01:30:49,680
like these were the first people
like Hall Oh my god. Oh, so a

1386
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:54,480
podcast by itself enriching the
world of audio for people with

1387
01:30:54,480 --> 01:31:00,510
vision issues. Is it You have no
idea how big a revolution that

1388
01:31:00,510 --> 01:31:04,980
when underreported Revolution
Revolution show, right. Yeah,

1389
01:31:04,980 --> 01:31:08,910
but, but I'm but I'm going back
to the podcasting. 1.0 When that

1390
01:31:08,910 --> 01:31:13,800
happened, it's like, you know,
this was we had books on tape,

1391
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:17,220
you know that that's where we're
at now we had shit to listen to,

1392
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:21,210
that would just come in. And so
a lot of time was spent by some

1393
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:25,110
very selfless teams. And I'm
pretty sure Andrew Gromit,

1394
01:31:25,950 --> 01:31:29,430
there's probably iPod or lemon,
but they really put in a lot of

1395
01:31:29,430 --> 01:31:33,210
accessibility. So the screen
readers will work so often

1396
01:31:33,210 --> 01:31:36,870
forgotten these days, actually,
it's an a violation of the

1397
01:31:36,870 --> 01:31:40,260
American with Disabilities Act
if you don't have accessibility

1398
01:31:40,260 --> 01:31:45,390
in your in your app. But I was
on the three blind guys show,

1399
01:31:45,390 --> 01:31:48,030
which I don't know them the
three different blind guys, I've

1400
01:31:48,030 --> 01:31:50,790
never, I don't know, these white
guys. I know other blind guys

1401
01:31:50,790 --> 01:31:55,110
and gals too. But I haven't, but
I completely understand where

1402
01:31:55,110 --> 01:31:58,380
they're coming from. And you
know, I'm, I'm also an auditory

1403
01:31:58,380 --> 01:32:02,370
person. So we get along really
well. And they were talking

1404
01:32:02,370 --> 01:32:05,910
about this. And so when I didn't
know Mitch was doing this, but

1405
01:32:05,910 --> 01:32:09,540
when he said that, you know, he
kind of relayed the story of how

1406
01:32:09,810 --> 01:32:12,810
utterly the whole app failed
with a screen reader and that he

1407
01:32:12,810 --> 01:32:17,760
just, you know, just said about
going to fix that is hugely

1408
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:21,690
appreciated. And what I need
from him really is a is a really

1409
01:32:21,690 --> 01:32:25,650
cool, good tweet that explains
this so I can blast it out. But

1410
01:32:25,650 --> 01:32:28,530
I sent it on to the to the three
blind guys and I hope they got

1411
01:32:28,530 --> 01:32:31,410
in touch to give some feedback
because they are they're

1412
01:32:31,410 --> 01:32:35,670
podcasters they understand this
stuff and so they can they can

1413
01:32:36,030 --> 01:32:37,260
close the loop hopefully.

1414
01:32:37,649 --> 01:32:40,589
But I got to know Mitch really
well in Nashville, and I guess

1415
01:32:40,589 --> 01:32:44,219
been nighttime with him. And
he's written like, this is stuff

1416
01:32:44,219 --> 01:32:48,059
that's close to his heart. He's
he's uh, you know, just a so

1417
01:32:48,599 --> 01:32:53,939
he's just a social aware
socially aware guy and really

1418
01:32:53,939 --> 01:32:57,899
has done a lot of stuff and And
is he doing this full time now?

1419
01:32:57,899 --> 01:33:00,989
Is this his full time job as he
made this step?

1420
01:33:00,990 --> 01:33:03,720
I know he's not full time he
still he still got a day job,

1421
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:04,200
but he's

1422
01:33:04,410 --> 01:33:06,570
teasing that he we've got him
the closest though man.

1423
01:33:07,470 --> 01:33:12,270
Yeah, yeah. And raise your fees.
Yeah, seriously. 5%

1424
01:33:12,330 --> 01:33:16,260
look at look Look at this. Look
what you did. Look what you did

1425
01:33:16,260 --> 01:33:18,330
man for for blind people.

1426
01:33:19,410 --> 01:33:20,100
That's amazing.

1427
01:33:20,130 --> 01:33:22,860
Look what you've done for the
poor blind people for Tiny Tim

1428
01:33:22,860 --> 01:33:25,020
with no eyes. You've done a
great great Oh, that's

1429
01:33:25,020 --> 01:33:27,270
near him. I got to cry.

1430
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:30,780
Sorry, I can't hear and I can't
see I got I got the double

1431
01:33:30,780 --> 01:33:34,410
trouble. Now this sentence
that's worse. That's what that's

1432
01:33:34,410 --> 01:33:40,290
worth five minutes. were five
points. To take five points off

1433
01:33:40,290 --> 01:33:41,100
the top Mitch.

1434
01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:47,279
Christopher Cierra Burke, Jr.
Barbara. Tara Barak gave us $10

1435
01:33:47,669 --> 01:33:52,829
Mitch Downey coming in a second
time with $10 and Mike Newman

1436
01:33:52,889 --> 01:33:55,979
with $10.66 and that he said
that will be his last yes I

1437
01:33:55,979 --> 01:33:59,489
saw the cancellations come
through Yeah, good good because

1438
01:33:59,519 --> 01:34:03,899
do that with the boost man like
tax those channels? drain drain

1439
01:34:03,899 --> 01:34:08,519
my pipe. I should probably
rephrase that. Hmm.

1440
01:34:09,210 --> 01:34:11,940
Yeah. Then break it. I did.
Well, I mean, are in the show

1441
01:34:11,940 --> 01:34:16,950
mix today from raw is so dirty.
And this is a fair This is just

1442
01:34:16,950 --> 01:34:17,610
a warning. Fair

1443
01:34:17,610 --> 01:34:24,630
warning. We should do a second.
I think I have this. Yeah, I

1444
01:34:24,660 --> 01:34:27,540
have one of these. This is from
mo always has me play this.

1445
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:39,030
Morning. Trigger warning.
Trigger warning. activated. Just

1446
01:34:39,030 --> 01:34:41,280
so you know. We need to we need
to tag for that.

1447
01:34:41,700 --> 01:34:47,490
Yeah, when the mix starts. head
out if you can't handle it. All

1448
01:34:47,490 --> 01:34:49,860
right. I gotta get back to work.
I get nothing else. Oh,

1449
01:34:49,860 --> 01:34:52,470
geez. Yeah, we've been talking
way too long. I'm sorry for

1450
01:34:52,470 --> 01:34:56,640
keeping you busy. But this was
this was fun. So on next week's

1451
01:34:56,640 --> 01:35:00,900
show, I believe we have a
special guest who will Now we

1452
01:35:00,900 --> 01:35:03,540
pre taping the show with him on
Monday or so. Yeah,

1453
01:35:03,809 --> 01:35:07,259
me and Melissa will be out of
town on Friday next week in a in

1454
01:35:07,259 --> 01:35:10,349
a way that there's no way I can
do a show so we're gonna have to

1455
01:35:10,349 --> 01:35:12,209
pre tape on Monday night.

1456
01:35:12,330 --> 01:35:14,430
Right and but we're doing that
with our guests who's going to

1457
01:35:14,430 --> 01:35:17,790
talk about Bitcoin energy usage?

1458
01:35:18,299 --> 01:35:23,669
Yeah has McCook from he's down
under and he's an environmental

1459
01:35:23,669 --> 01:35:27,989
engineer and he's done a lot of
work on Bitcoin energy

1460
01:35:27,989 --> 01:35:33,179
consumption and emissions. He's
pretty much the expert in this

1461
01:35:33,209 --> 01:35:36,509
and I can't wait. I mean, like
it's, this is an issue that

1462
01:35:36,509 --> 01:35:39,629
needs to be discussed because
there's a lot of socially aware,

1463
01:35:40,319 --> 01:35:43,649
environmentally aware people in
the Bitcoin, excuse me in the

1464
01:35:43,649 --> 01:35:49,079
podcasting world. And they need
to understand that a lot of the

1465
01:35:49,079 --> 01:35:53,819
stuff around it one's energy
usage profile is Fudd. And he's

1466
01:35:53,819 --> 01:35:57,809
gonna he'll, he will be very
instrumental in setting some

1467
01:35:57,809 --> 01:35:59,969
people's minds at ease about
about that whole

1468
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:02,490
while also giving us some
information that that we can

1469
01:36:02,490 --> 01:36:06,960
use. Though the one of the
stepdaughters is here, we

1470
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:09,900
haven't seen her in 18 months
either. So it's really nice to

1471
01:36:09,900 --> 01:36:13,380
have her. Yeah, this is,
especially for Tina, you know,

1472
01:36:13,380 --> 01:36:19,920
Mom, daughter. And she's very,
very socially aware. She's done,

1473
01:36:19,950 --> 01:36:23,310
dabbled a little bit in local
politics. They lived in Chicago,

1474
01:36:23,430 --> 01:36:29,340
now moved to Maine. And she's
reading this huge book called

1475
01:36:29,340 --> 01:36:33,870
debt, which is the history of
debt. So she yeah, oh, yeah,

1476
01:36:33,870 --> 01:36:36,630
that's and I'd sent her the
Bitcoin standard for Christmas,

1477
01:36:37,050 --> 01:36:39,960
which she still hasn't read,
which she still hasn't read. And

1478
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:41,700
I said, Well, you know, once you
finish your debt book, you

1479
01:36:41,700 --> 01:36:45,000
really should read that. And,
and, you know, so but she

1480
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:48,630
immediately, of course, from her
environment, millio, as well,

1481
01:36:48,660 --> 01:36:53,190
but you know, it's really any,
any money be sucking up the same

1482
01:36:53,190 --> 01:36:58,260
amount of electricity is the
entire country of Namibia. Now,

1483
01:36:58,290 --> 01:37:02,040
and you know, and so then my
response is, well, you know,

1484
01:37:02,190 --> 01:37:06,240
okay, so the dirty Bitcoin
versus the Petro dollar, you

1485
01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:10,200
know, you can go down that hole
forever. And, you know, and then

1486
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:12,390
you say, well, but if you look
at it on the grand scale, it's

1487
01:37:12,390 --> 01:37:15,930
1/10 of a percent of all energy
uses. And I can see that that's

1488
01:37:15,930 --> 01:37:19,680
not working. That's not the
answer that's going to work.

1489
01:37:20,220 --> 01:37:23,730
They like how he, and one of the
reasons I contacted him to have

1490
01:37:23,730 --> 01:37:27,630
him on the show is I like his
approach, which doesn't look at

1491
01:37:27,630 --> 01:37:32,580
energy consumption as much as it
looks at emissions output. And

1492
01:37:32,580 --> 01:37:36,480
that's where you see some
drastic differences. Okay. And

1493
01:37:36,480 --> 01:37:38,760
he's qualified to speak to this
as an environmental engineer.

1494
01:37:38,910 --> 01:37:41,790
He's also Australia. He's also
Australian, as we know, they

1495
01:37:41,790 --> 01:37:50,310
don't say anything wrong. So we
can. Ah, okay, just a quick

1496
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:54,570
congratulations to I think Alex
that he finished up the pod ping

1497
01:37:54,570 --> 01:37:58,740
hive writer, I know that that's
kind of probably worth

1498
01:37:58,740 --> 01:38:01,080
discussing, but we just didn't
get to it.

1499
01:38:01,500 --> 01:38:02,700
I got to get you back to work.

1500
01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:05,700
So how do we do this? We never
had an end of show mix. Do I do

1501
01:38:05,700 --> 01:38:08,820
that? And then play the end
music? Or do I play the end

1502
01:38:08,820 --> 01:38:11,220
music and all the cool we
should?

1503
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:16,110
Do the end of the day, the end
of the show? Do the standard

1504
01:38:16,110 --> 01:38:16,830
ending and then

1505
01:38:16,950 --> 01:38:21,900
put it after that? Yeah. So
people can can bail if they if

1506
01:38:21,900 --> 01:38:22,650
they feel like it?

1507
01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:25,410
That's the finish line. They can
get it that way. roofie.

1508
01:38:25,410 --> 01:38:29,370
Also, he created cast coverage.

1509
01:38:29,729 --> 01:38:31,469
Yeah. Cast. Yeah. Cast coverage.
Yeah.

1510
01:38:32,070 --> 01:38:37,140
So roofie is multi is
multifaceted. This guy. And

1511
01:38:37,140 --> 01:38:38,460
always so enthusiastic.

1512
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:41,670
ej pops in with an email like
once every four months. It's

1513
01:38:41,670 --> 01:38:43,740
like, Hey, here's an industrial
mix. So yeah.

1514
01:38:44,970 --> 01:38:50,100
So thank you. roofie. He has a
we need to put him in the in the

1515
01:38:50,130 --> 01:38:51,060
value block.

1516
01:38:51,389 --> 01:38:56,819
He doesn't have a node he
doesn't have a node. No. Just

1517
01:38:56,819 --> 01:38:57,359
doesn't care.

1518
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:00,959
David's Always a pleasure to do
a podcast with you, my friend

1519
01:39:00,989 --> 01:39:04,259
and I love doing it here in this
beautiful boardroom. Thank you

1520
01:39:04,259 --> 01:39:08,729
all for building it and we'll be
back on Friday. Take care, Dave.

1521
01:39:10,649 --> 01:39:13,979
Please tune in then for another
episode of podcasting. 2.0 see

1522
01:39:13,979 --> 01:39:14,429
everybody.

1523
01:39:29,820 --> 01:39:34,410
You have been listening to
podcasting. 2.0 visit podcast

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index.com for more information.

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Oh, and then you put and then
every single payment that goes

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there you just publish the
comment.

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Yeah, what would the publishing
mechanism be like? No

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fucking magic, Dave. I'm
surprised you haven't built it

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yet. Fucking magic Dave. Fucking
magic Dave fucking magic Dave

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fucking magic

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you can be the guy you can be
the guy you can be the guy you

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can be the guy

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you can be the guy getting to
hold fats every minute all

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sounds cool sounds like so
there's just the two holes that

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there's like so there's there's
like so there's a there's a

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there's a great idea I ran must
face draw. I ran must face draw.

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Oh my god oh my god

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you're a poet

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the publisher read registers
with a hub somebody who wants to

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be notified when there's when
the fee changes also registers

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driver on the piping is a
essentially it's a great idea

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great idea great idea

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boost his ass and I was like