1 00:00:00,690 --> 00:00:06,720 podcasting 2.0 for July 2 2021, Episode 44 separating the nodes 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:12,930 from the news. I wish I could say that this new studio was so 3 00:00:12,930 --> 00:00:17,370 good I can even do my nails while doing the show. But now a 4 00:00:18,510 --> 00:00:21,450 couple of issues, a couple of bugs to work out but it is 5 00:00:21,450 --> 00:00:25,920 Friday time once again for a board meeting of podcasting 2.0 6 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,130 bringing you all the latest news from the podcast industry in the 7 00:00:29,130 --> 00:00:32,370 community and podcasting index.org along with podcasting 8 00:00:32,370 --> 00:00:35,070 index dot social, I'm Adam curry, in the heart of Phil 9 00:00:35,070 --> 00:00:38,880 country, Texas and in Alabama, the man who can decode a TLV 10 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,910 from a known idea at the drop of a hat, my friend on the other 11 00:00:41,910 --> 00:00:44,970 end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones, 12 00:00:45,750 --> 00:00:51,060 we may be able to decode deal these and HDL C's and utxos and 13 00:00:51,060 --> 00:00:53,610 all this kind of stuff, but it made like, clearly, we can't 14 00:00:53,730 --> 00:00:58,530 figure out how to wire up a studio or reboot a Mac. I mean, 15 00:00:58,530 --> 00:01:02,370 like, Oh my god, amount of trouble me we've had on both 16 00:01:02,370 --> 00:01:04,590 sides in the last 15 minutes. It's incredible. 17 00:01:05,039 --> 00:01:10,049 It's you know, it's it's crazy how you make a move. My whole 18 00:01:10,049 --> 00:01:13,229 studio has always been portable as this setup and the whole 19 00:01:13,229 --> 00:01:16,559 idea. The whole idea is that you can just, you know, take it with 20 00:01:16,559 --> 00:01:19,289 you on the road, bring it back, everything fits into into place. 21 00:01:19,769 --> 00:01:25,049 So I reconstructed in the new house in the new studio. And two 22 00:01:25,049 --> 00:01:28,289 things happen. One, the touchscreen, which I use for 23 00:01:28,289 --> 00:01:32,669 jingles just starts intermittently working, not 24 00:01:32,669 --> 00:01:35,819 working, no matter what configuration I try. We just 25 00:01:35,819 --> 00:01:39,869 tried for about 20 minutes before we started. I had no idea 26 00:01:39,869 --> 00:01:42,089 what how these things can change all of a sudden. 27 00:01:43,020 --> 00:01:48,330 Yep. Yeah. Welcome to the joys of well, all modern competing, 28 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,630 but unless there's more specifically the joys of Surface 29 00:01:51,630 --> 00:01:57,600 Pro and and USBC. I mean, like, okay, like, I'll tell you, in 30 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,830 the old days, you know, I work in the financial industry. So 31 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:07,110 all the desks have multiple monitors three, sometimes four 32 00:02:07,110 --> 00:02:12,300 monitor. Sure. So we've been dual monitor, at least, as a 33 00:02:12,300 --> 00:02:19,380 multi monitor for years. So at least 12 years. And for all of 34 00:02:19,380 --> 00:02:24,630 that time, it was flawless, like you would plug in a monitor, it 35 00:02:24,630 --> 00:02:27,780 would come up, you'd have your extended desktop, and then you 36 00:02:27,780 --> 00:02:31,530 would have to maybe go into the display settings and flip the 37 00:02:31,530 --> 00:02:34,290 orientation where left is right, right, left, right, right, 38 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:42,210 right, right. That was all fine. Until USBC when the USB C thing 39 00:02:42,540 --> 00:02:46,740 took over USB C slash Thunderbolt. When it took over 40 00:02:46,740 --> 00:02:50,040 all of the docking stations for all the laptops, they all went 41 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,130 to in I would say display port as well. When all those three 42 00:02:53,130 --> 00:02:57,720 technologies came in the the port, the docking stations and 43 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,140 the port replicators all switched from like proprietary 44 00:03:01,140 --> 00:03:05,340 built in ports, that plugs straight into the bus to being 45 00:03:05,340 --> 00:03:11,100 basically USB C extenders. And when that happened nothing is 46 00:03:11,100 --> 00:03:13,650 predictable anymore. Like nothing you can reboot a 47 00:03:13,650 --> 00:03:18,210 computer 12 times in a row and then on the 13th time it comes 48 00:03:18,210 --> 00:03:21,540 up and half your monitors don't work no absolutely no reason for 49 00:03:21,540 --> 00:03:21,630 it. 50 00:03:21,660 --> 00:03:26,970 What's interesting is this I this has a USB 3.0 not a USBC 51 00:03:29,550 --> 00:03:31,410 well it's probably still using 52 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:33,360 oh no it still sucks 53 00:03:33,780 --> 00:03:37,050 display oil yes probably it's because all that stuff runs 54 00:03:37,050 --> 00:03:40,560 through the same bus now so yeah DisplayPort Thunderbolt right. 55 00:03:41,130 --> 00:03:43,980 It's all I don't know what generation Surface Pro you have 56 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:50,970 six pro six. I bet I wonder if that's the Skylake generation 57 00:03:51,450 --> 00:03:54,870 anyway one of those like when when they started getting away 58 00:03:54,870 --> 00:04:00,210 from the proprietary stuff and going to just USBC everywhere or 59 00:04:00,210 --> 00:04:03,600 isn't it wasn't C at the time it was like Thunderbolt Yeah, 60 00:04:03,630 --> 00:04:08,430 Thunderbolt everywhere. Yeah. Oh my god, just like Shiva now. 61 00:04:08,910 --> 00:04:12,600 Well, somehow we're gonna have self driving cars, but we can't 62 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:13,380 figure out how to get in 63 00:04:14,730 --> 00:04:18,150 touch. So that's of course was not the only problem the one 64 00:04:18,150 --> 00:04:21,480 that's most interesting is the power supply for my headphone 65 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:26,400 amplifier just broke You know, it started started to pulse and 66 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,450 so I okay, that's no good. Now it's a 12 volt power supply. 67 00:04:31,470 --> 00:04:35,040 Little a wall wart. Not not a commonly found item? 68 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:36,090 No. 69 00:04:36,540 --> 00:04:40,230 So what do you do in a pinch? And this happened yesterday, 70 00:04:40,230 --> 00:04:43,560 just before we started no agenda. I got a nine volt 71 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:48,240 battery. You did cut the wire taped it on now and I'm using 72 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,600 that today as well because I haven't had time to go find a 12 73 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,390 volt wallboard adapter. But what's interesting is the 74 00:04:54,390 --> 00:04:59,490 headphone amplifier kind of really want 12 volts. So it took 75 00:04:59,490 --> 00:05:03,570 me a little while To get used to your louder modulation sounds 76 00:05:03,570 --> 00:05:06,510 like it's over modulating or it sounds distorted. But that's 77 00:05:06,510 --> 00:05:09,510 because the headphone can't draw enough power from the battery. 78 00:05:09,630 --> 00:05:16,260 It's a mess. And let alone the electro voice 320 microphone, 79 00:05:16,260 --> 00:05:18,720 which I love this microphone. You have the same, don't you? 80 00:05:18,750 --> 00:05:19,950 Yeah. Yeah. It's a mic. Yeah. 81 00:05:19,980 --> 00:05:25,740 It's very sensitive to dimmers. Yeah, no. And it was the 82 00:05:25,740 --> 00:05:29,340 outside. I'm like, Well, how can this be in the one of the 83 00:05:29,370 --> 00:05:32,310 outside lights which is on a dimmer and was still on and we 84 00:05:32,310 --> 00:05:35,580 just knew in the house, I don't know everything. I don't have 85 00:05:35,580 --> 00:05:38,520 the sequence of stuff to turn on and off yet. It's right on the 86 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,670 other side of the studio wall. So like, okay, that fix it. 87 00:05:42,180 --> 00:05:43,530 Okay. So now, 88 00:05:44,250 --> 00:05:49,110 the Faraday cage is with copper mesh, like, the walls with 89 00:05:49,110 --> 00:05:50,550 copper mesh? Yep. 90 00:05:53,340 --> 00:05:56,790 And yeah, it's concrete floors. I don't have a rug yet. So I was 91 00:05:56,790 --> 00:06:00,150 a little Bumi and all that stuff. But anyway, I've what so 92 00:06:00,150 --> 00:06:05,190 my week has been kind of as more as a spectator than anything, 93 00:06:05,190 --> 00:06:09,210 just watching what what's been going down on podcasting, next 94 00:06:09,210 --> 00:06:12,630 on social mainly. And you and Eric have been just kicking up a 95 00:06:12,630 --> 00:06:17,280 storm on our, on our signal, channel, 96 00:06:18,180 --> 00:06:21,000 get, we're trying to figure out how to, cuz we got all these 97 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:26,400 transactions that come in as the 1% of our split for API stuff. 98 00:06:26,700 --> 00:06:32,820 So if you get if you if an app that does value for value 99 00:06:32,820 --> 00:06:37,380 streaming, if they use our API to get the value block, we put 100 00:06:37,380 --> 00:06:43,320 in a 1% fee. So that means that we get a split. So now what we 101 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,550 have is, you know, over the last month or whatever we've been 102 00:06:47,550 --> 00:06:51,900 like, we'll get to it, we'll figure it out later into the 103 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:56,520 document. Document because because it is income. I mean, 104 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,360 it's it's it's technically income, so we eventually will 105 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,470 have to declare it. So we have to Well, okay, well, how are we 106 00:07:04,470 --> 00:07:06,960 going to do this? I mean, how many transactions we have? Well, 107 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,290 we have almost 300,000 transactions, because they're 108 00:07:10,290 --> 00:07:13,770 all tiny little micro payments as well, right? So I had to 109 00:07:13,770 --> 00:07:17,880 figure out how to interface with l&d on our node, and pull the 110 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:24,360 invoices, and then interpret, like parse the TLV records, and 111 00:07:24,390 --> 00:07:27,570 all that stuff. And so then you have different possible 112 00:07:28,950 --> 00:07:30,570 transaction types you would have, 113 00:07:30,780 --> 00:07:33,720 let me let me just explain everybody what we're talking 114 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,740 about. Because there's lots of people who like, who loved 115 00:07:37,740 --> 00:07:41,520 listening to our show, mainly for the pod namespace talk and 116 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,760 open source pull requests, and you know, so they just, they 117 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,870 just tune in for no matter what, because it's a sexy show, to 118 00:07:48,870 --> 00:07:50,880 what we're talking about, here's the value for value streaming 119 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:55,260 payments, and the information that is sent from a podcast app, 120 00:07:55,590 --> 00:07:59,400 when making either a streaming per minute payment or a boost 121 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,850 payment, and how it comes into the podcast or wallet. And of 122 00:08:02,850 --> 00:08:06,510 course, podcast index has its own wallet. And that's where we 123 00:08:06,510 --> 00:08:09,780 get the 1% does all kinds of information being sent, which 124 00:08:09,780 --> 00:08:14,070 can be extremely valuable for statistics, which we'll talk 125 00:08:14,070 --> 00:08:19,800 about in a minute, but also for financial accounting. And so the 126 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:26,880 way you interact with that is through lnd. All right now, now 127 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:28,410 everyone knows what the hell we're talking about. 128 00:08:28,710 --> 00:08:32,460 Yeah, so if you run a lightning node, you're running one of the 129 00:08:32,460 --> 00:08:36,660 few different pieces of software, you're either running 130 00:08:36,780 --> 00:08:39,900 l&d or see lightning and I think there's one more right. 131 00:08:41,999 --> 00:08:43,439 Yeah, I 132 00:08:43,439 --> 00:08:45,389 don't know what it is offhand. Yeah. 133 00:08:45,750 --> 00:08:48,930 Okay. It was so there's, there's at least two I'm almost 134 00:08:48,930 --> 00:08:51,540 positive. There's three. See lightning and l&d are the main 135 00:08:51,540 --> 00:08:54,480 ones. l&d is the sort of reference implementation from 136 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,740 lightning labs. That's what I would say most people use l&d. 137 00:08:59,039 --> 00:09:01,229 Yeah, there's a lot of interesting projects that are 138 00:09:01,259 --> 00:09:04,829 that are using C though, for some specific reasons, I'm sure. 139 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,180 And so, I mean, just think of it like a podcast app. It's all 140 00:09:09,180 --> 00:09:13,560 open open spec, and you can, whether you have l&d or C lie, 141 00:09:13,560 --> 00:09:15,810 see lightning may have some features of here that you like 142 00:09:15,810 --> 00:09:18,120 and l&d may have something you like blah blah, blah. So we're 143 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:23,850 running lnd through voltage and l&d is what takes care of the 144 00:09:23,850 --> 00:09:29,010 lightning part. Because l&d sits on top, so to speak, of the of 145 00:09:29,010 --> 00:09:33,330 just a normal Bitcoin node, four node. Elliott, so when you when 146 00:09:33,330 --> 00:09:35,640 you're doing lightning transactions, you can interact 147 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:41,220 with l&d to do things like set up channels, do kit, do payment, 148 00:09:41,370 --> 00:09:45,450 send invoices, create invoices, and keys and all the different 149 00:09:45,450 --> 00:09:51,930 stuff you do peer with other network nodes. So we l&d has an 150 00:09:51,930 --> 00:09:56,280 internal database inside of it. And I don't know what it uses. 151 00:09:56,310 --> 00:09:59,700 I'm not sure if it's our I think it's a no SQL type database. 152 00:10:00,210 --> 00:10:01,380 I'm not sure I don't know, 153 00:10:01,799 --> 00:10:03,599 anyways, got an internal database where all those 154 00:10:03,599 --> 00:10:09,389 transactions recorded? most normal nodes don't have that 155 00:10:09,389 --> 00:10:12,689 many transactions don't have very, I mean, like you may have, 156 00:10:13,169 --> 00:10:16,799 you know, 1000 transactions in a few months? Well, I mean, we 157 00:10:16,799 --> 00:10:18,689 have 1000 transactions a day. 158 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:19,440 Yeah, exactly. 159 00:10:20,850 --> 00:10:23,700 So that mean, there's like, almost 300,000 transactions in 160 00:10:23,700 --> 00:10:26,520 the database. And they have a page a nation thing where you 161 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:30,360 can sort of walk back through the tree, you know, we'll give 162 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,340 you 100 at a time, right? 163 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,000 What's kind of what's interesting to me is that the 164 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:41,100 lightning network was a part of what it was set up to do was for 165 00:10:41,100 --> 00:10:44,790 micro transactions, but I think the the two things, one, the 166 00:10:44,790 --> 00:10:48,690 term micro transaction was poorly defined, or maybe not 167 00:10:48,690 --> 00:10:53,670 defined at all. And second, was the whole drive of To this day, 168 00:10:53,670 --> 00:10:56,610 still, except we'll, with some few exceptions, of lightning 169 00:10:56,610 --> 00:11:00,930 network development is Oh, yeah, but we can send a Bitcoin 170 00:11:00,930 --> 00:11:04,530 immediately with very low fees. So that's where you get the 171 00:11:04,530 --> 00:11:07,620 wambo channels, we have to be able to send hundreds of dollars 172 00:11:07,620 --> 00:11:11,250 back and forth, which is all important too. But it's it's, 173 00:11:11,730 --> 00:11:15,090 it's really not set up for micro payments, it seems to me, 174 00:11:15,990 --> 00:11:19,380 like not not in quality and quantity. Right. 175 00:11:20,279 --> 00:11:21,899 Yeah, high quantity. Exactly. 176 00:11:22,409 --> 00:11:24,599 Yeah, I mean, like, you should see how if anybody knows the 177 00:11:24,599 --> 00:11:29,489 zap, zap wallet where you can interface zap is a mobile app or 178 00:11:29,489 --> 00:11:31,799 a desktop app where you literally interface with lnd 179 00:11:31,799 --> 00:11:34,739 directly. Yeah, we can see your stats and everything. Like when 180 00:11:34,739 --> 00:11:38,159 you pull that thing up, it takes a while for it to parse through 181 00:11:38,159 --> 00:11:39,629 all those database transactions. 182 00:11:39,690 --> 00:11:43,680 Oh, I don't even bother. I use Zeus and zap separately. So zap 183 00:11:43,680 --> 00:11:47,010 I use to look at channels because I'd like the way it just 184 00:11:47,010 --> 00:11:49,710 displays channel so I can see you know, there's a channel in 185 00:11:49,710 --> 00:11:53,010 trouble that needs some rebalancing. But for just 186 00:11:53,010 --> 00:11:56,310 looking at the most recent transactions, I use Zeus, you 187 00:11:56,310 --> 00:12:01,110 bring it up, it immediately has the last 50 transactions. Oh, 188 00:12:01,230 --> 00:12:02,040 yeah. Okay. So 189 00:12:02,039 --> 00:12:04,439 you know, waiting when you do that refresh. Oh, my god that 190 00:12:04,439 --> 00:12:06,479 can last the last forever on Zappa? 191 00:12:07,139 --> 00:12:08,279 Yes, yeah. 192 00:12:08,340 --> 00:12:10,980 So I think Zeus is just tracking it in the background all the 193 00:12:10,980 --> 00:12:11,400 time. 194 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,630 And it will, essentially what we're doing now, right, we're 195 00:12:15,630 --> 00:12:17,850 updating every five minutes to pull all the latest 196 00:12:17,850 --> 00:12:20,430 transactions, right. And right now, we're not doing anything 197 00:12:20,430 --> 00:12:24,120 with him, really. But we're, we just needed a way to capture 198 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:28,050 them. Because if our, if our lightning node were to blow up, 199 00:12:28,050 --> 00:12:30,420 we had to roll another one, we could recover our channels from 200 00:12:30,420 --> 00:12:33,690 Channel back. Right, right. But we may lose all that transaction 201 00:12:33,690 --> 00:12:38,760 data. So we need, we need all that now, as part of going 202 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,960 through this and looking at all the transactions and storing 203 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,470 them. There's so much rich data there. It's great. It's 204 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:47,430 unbelievable 205 00:12:47,429 --> 00:12:50,909 how much. And I should I should say that what Eric is working on 206 00:12:50,909 --> 00:12:55,799 is all related to this as we create the jeans mom, podcast or 207 00:12:55,799 --> 00:13:02,609 wallet experience. Which I mean, he's going real deep on features 208 00:13:02,609 --> 00:13:05,009 and how this is going to be built out and how it's going to. 209 00:13:05,579 --> 00:13:08,249 It's really going to be a fun, fun place to be. 210 00:13:08,850 --> 00:13:10,860 Yeah. And he's doing all the research to for the 211 00:13:11,789 --> 00:13:12,629 legalities 212 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,750 on compliance. And everything's I think he helped Mitch the 213 00:13:15,750 --> 00:13:18,270 other day, he had a no phone call with Mitch. Because Mitch 214 00:13:18,270 --> 00:13:22,350 had some questions like that all that stuff is, is super 215 00:13:22,500 --> 00:13:25,980 important. And like, Man, you tend to err like, Yeah, well, 216 00:13:26,009 --> 00:13:29,219 no, no, no, this is exactly why we brought Eric into the into 217 00:13:29,219 --> 00:13:33,569 the organization is like, who was going to ask a quote, very 218 00:13:33,569 --> 00:13:37,799 annoying questions. And who is going to be completely OCD about 219 00:13:37,799 --> 00:13:41,159 getting the answers? Because we don't want to set ourselves up 220 00:13:41,159 --> 00:13:46,409 to fail. And by the way, for that alone for that boost, you 221 00:13:46,409 --> 00:13:53,099 know, you want to support us, boost away people came from LMP 222 00:13:53,099 --> 00:13:56,129 was telling me that he was I think you saw it too. He was 223 00:13:56,129 --> 00:13:59,129 listening to the show, and then we played that Jingo, any 224 00:13:59,129 --> 00:14:03,719 boosted he said, Oh my God. I just did what he told me to. 225 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,750 This one is exactly what he said. I just did what I was 226 00:14:06,750 --> 00:14:07,140 told. 227 00:14:08,190 --> 00:14:11,220 And that's how you got to do it. podcasters It's that simple. He 228 00:14:11,220 --> 00:14:15,990 could just use this bingo, it's your cue to boost you know, you 229 00:14:15,990 --> 00:14:20,100 want to alternatively you can boost you can throw in a Fauci 230 00:14:20,100 --> 00:14:20,610 boost. 231 00:14:20,789 --> 00:14:25,229 Yeah, it's the jingles are open source just like me podcast you 232 00:14:25,229 --> 00:14:29,069 whatever your I make sure I publish them. It's mind control, 233 00:14:29,069 --> 00:14:30,059 it works every time. 234 00:14:30,210 --> 00:14:33,840 So on the lines of, of this data, which is very powerful 235 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,390 data, because when you have and you were just about to get into 236 00:14:36,390 --> 00:14:38,850 that when I interrupted you, we have multiple types of 237 00:14:40,860 --> 00:14:44,100 transactions is of course regular, incoming outgoing, but 238 00:14:44,100 --> 00:14:47,910 then we have from the apps themselves, the stream payments, 239 00:14:47,910 --> 00:14:52,740 so that's a per minute Satoshi amount or the boost. And, and 240 00:14:52,740 --> 00:14:57,780 what this is going to give us is incredible statistics of people 241 00:14:57,810 --> 00:15:03,150 actually listening to the program. Right. And and I guess 242 00:15:03,150 --> 00:15:06,720 my next question would be, is there a way to overlay that with 243 00:15:06,750 --> 00:15:13,320 a timestamp as to when? What what? What time code the payment 244 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:18,180 comes in at? As it relates to the podcast being listened to? 245 00:15:18,780 --> 00:15:20,610 I'm sure. This is Alison here. 246 00:15:21,570 --> 00:15:23,250 Oh, that overset that already works? 247 00:15:23,490 --> 00:15:26,370 Yeah. It's in there. It's in the taste in the TLB. 248 00:15:26,399 --> 00:15:30,419 Even from even from the per minute. satoshis. Yeah. So you 249 00:15:30,419 --> 00:15:35,309 can overlay that and see exactly when someone boosted? Yes. I'm 250 00:15:35,339 --> 00:15:40,769 glad I have a desk that can be raised automatically. Put it up 251 00:15:40,769 --> 00:15:41,219 a little bit. 252 00:15:46,980 --> 00:15:52,800 Put in the desk. Here's why. Okay, go ahead. Go ahead. 253 00:15:54,870 --> 00:16:02,460 Okay, so that's in the D o v record. The, the different TLV 254 00:16:02,490 --> 00:16:08,790 or, okay, you discombobulated me, the, there's different ones 255 00:16:08,790 --> 00:16:11,640 and ones, okay, so you have different types of invoices, 256 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,180 everything, everything in l&d that comes in every incoming 257 00:16:15,180 --> 00:16:20,640 payment is, is an invoice, whether it's key sent or not. So 258 00:16:21,750 --> 00:16:24,960 you will have like, in our case, we have various different kinds 259 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:30,900 of incoming payments, we could have an invoice, where, let's 260 00:16:30,900 --> 00:16:33,990 just say that you needed to transfer extra funds onto the 261 00:16:33,990 --> 00:16:37,560 node, in order to open a channel, right, maybe there's an 262 00:16:37,590 --> 00:16:40,380 you create an invoice and then fund it from some other source, 263 00:16:40,710 --> 00:16:45,420 that would be like just a standard lightning payment, then 264 00:16:45,420 --> 00:16:49,320 you may have like, a just a key send payment, just a random 265 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,320 piece in payment that somebody sends, maybe they're making a 266 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:56,100 donation or something I don't know. And then then you have the 267 00:16:56,100 --> 00:17:01,200 per minute streaming value for value stuff. And almost 268 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,770 universally those all those all have TLV records attached to 269 00:17:04,770 --> 00:17:10,620 them. Usually it's the it's like seven, six to 9161 or some I 270 00:17:10,620 --> 00:17:14,340 think that's the one. And that's the one that Satoshi de stream 271 00:17:14,370 --> 00:17:18,870 formalized. And it's got in there, all the different payload 272 00:17:18,870 --> 00:17:23,130 data. So it's got, like what type of event it was, whether it 273 00:17:23,130 --> 00:17:26,880 was a stream or a boost, like a per minute stream or boost. It's 274 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:33,030 got timestamp, the feed ID of the index that was being 275 00:17:33,030 --> 00:17:37,080 listened to the episode ID. It's got all that stuff in it. 276 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,010 There's a reason Don't let Don't let your desk back down yet 277 00:17:41,010 --> 00:17:47,010 because there's something else there's the tip, like so there's 278 00:17:47,010 --> 00:17:47,670 a tip, just 279 00:17:47,670 --> 00:17:49,320 the tip. If 280 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:54,030 I told you keep the depth, there's, there's a tip to V in 281 00:17:54,030 --> 00:17:59,730 there. So that if somebody like Steven for Kira caster, if 282 00:17:59,730 --> 00:18:01,080 somebody uses the tip jar 283 00:18:01,500 --> 00:18:04,560 shows that as a specific tip payment nice 284 00:18:04,650 --> 00:18:08,430 it is, and he's going to put in a message field in there, or 285 00:18:08,430 --> 00:18:10,230 somebody can put a custom message in. 286 00:18:12,180 --> 00:18:18,240 Well, we kind of need that for boost too, don't we? I mean, No, 287 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:23,250 not necessarily. here here's here's why this is extremely 288 00:18:23,250 --> 00:18:26,700 relevant today. And I find this the biggest headline that is 289 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:31,710 perhaps underplayed purposefully. And this is the 290 00:18:31,710 --> 00:18:39,510 apple download bug. Oh, now, Apple. Do I hear a buzz in my I 291 00:18:39,510 --> 00:18:42,090 think I hear a buzz. Well, I'm just gonna ignore it. No one 292 00:18:42,090 --> 00:18:45,810 heard I don't, I don't hear it now. Could be my headphone amp. 293 00:18:45,810 --> 00:18:46,980 It could be anything at this point. 294 00:18:47,339 --> 00:18:49,379 Well, you don't have enough batteries, you need to string a 295 00:18:49,379 --> 00:18:50,189 couple more batteries. 296 00:18:50,910 --> 00:18:54,870 I did that once at MTV. At this I was in the audio booth. And 297 00:18:54,990 --> 00:18:58,740 the audio booth had just boxes and boxes of nine volt batteries 298 00:18:59,250 --> 00:19:02,400 for the for the microphones, the wireless mics. And so I 299 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,850 connected all the whole bunch together because they clicked 300 00:19:05,850 --> 00:19:06,390 together. 301 00:19:07,260 --> 00:19:10,410 No, you know, you can build this. That happened. 302 00:19:12,030 --> 00:19:14,280 But then I put it on a light bulb and it worked and I was 303 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,430 really I thought that was really cool. I created 304 00:19:18,839 --> 00:19:21,599 your three volts low you only get nine volts and you need 12. 305 00:19:21,599 --> 00:19:24,419 So you need you need to take your non volt and add two more 306 00:19:24,419 --> 00:19:27,599 double A's to it. Yeah, easy chain and then your your 12 307 00:19:27,599 --> 00:19:28,469 volts. Yeah, 308 00:19:28,530 --> 00:19:31,470 I'm warming up the soldering iron as we speak is beautiful. 309 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:38,010 So the apple downloads book with the new Apple podcast app. The 310 00:19:38,010 --> 00:19:44,010 headline kind of reads as such, it broke, which resulted in 27% 311 00:19:44,010 --> 00:19:51,060 less downloads registered by the main by podcast hosts, which 312 00:19:51,930 --> 00:19:57,120 James Cridland in fact equated that to a $7.7 million loss in 313 00:19:57,120 --> 00:20:04,860 advertising revenue which I say No, that is $7.7 million of 314 00:20:04,860 --> 00:20:09,480 money that was wasted otherwise, because no one, no one was 315 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:14,280 complete. I didn't see listeners everywhere complaining. People 316 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,890 still listen to the shows if they were subscribed and 317 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,890 downloaded or not, because it just click on it and starts to 318 00:20:19,890 --> 00:20:20,490 stream. 319 00:20:21,239 --> 00:20:22,919 And this shows the data from the other 320 00:20:23,099 --> 00:20:28,439 shows the fallacy of download measurements for advertising. 321 00:20:28,919 --> 00:20:32,609 And and I think that's why it's being, you know, low key on the 322 00:20:32,609 --> 00:20:36,179 headlines, because any advertiser looks at this and 323 00:20:36,179 --> 00:20:40,199 goes, wait a minute. 27% less, because it wasn't auto 324 00:20:40,199 --> 00:20:47,219 downloading. Will What does that mean? Does that mean that? That 325 00:20:47,219 --> 00:20:52,109 27% less people heard that those podcasts and that's my message? 326 00:20:52,349 --> 00:20:56,819 No. That's the stolen money. It's it's actually less than I 327 00:20:56,819 --> 00:21:01,259 thought it would be 27%. And Lord knows how much that is on 328 00:21:01,259 --> 00:21:05,669 Android. I'm just gonna say combined, probably about 50% of 329 00:21:05,669 --> 00:21:08,789 all podcasts, download statistics used for advertising 330 00:21:08,789 --> 00:21:14,219 purposes, is crap. Fiction. Fiction. Yeah, well, not not 331 00:21:14,219 --> 00:21:18,179 fiction, but it's no in fact, no, it's 100% the truth it's 332 00:21:18,179 --> 00:21:21,719 download. But it's not a listen. 333 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,210 It James was saying something on the, on the, on the mastodon 334 00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:32,880 earlier about, you know, statistics, and how these 335 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:37,620 download numbers need to change or need to be calculated 336 00:21:37,620 --> 00:21:39,240 differently. And 337 00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:41,940 they went through 10 years of coming up with the IAB 338 00:21:41,940 --> 00:21:46,500 standards, people paid 2030 $40,000 to be certified for 339 00:21:46,500 --> 00:21:48,660 something that is falling apart overnight. 340 00:21:49,290 --> 00:21:54,150 Yeah. Well, so I'm gonna, I was talking to Dan Benjamin love 341 00:21:54,150 --> 00:21:57,000 that. We had it. And we know we had him on the show talking 342 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,060 about this very topic a lot. I mean, gosh, I don't know, four 343 00:22:00,060 --> 00:22:04,170 months ago, five months ago. Yep. And, and I'm, and I talked 344 00:22:04,170 --> 00:22:07,980 to him recently, again, and we're going to try to push this 345 00:22:08,010 --> 00:22:13,020 I I'm writing a blog post right now about everything in my mind, 346 00:22:13,020 --> 00:22:18,390 who is going to have to go to URL parameters. Meaning that 347 00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:22,800 people are going to have to stop looking at raw server level 348 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:27,690 download numbers, and begin to compile their stats of the URL 349 00:22:27,690 --> 00:22:29,190 parameters from the request. 350 00:22:29,220 --> 00:22:31,920 But this is this is where you live, this is where you lose me, 351 00:22:32,370 --> 00:22:36,870 we have a fantastic system, at least the elements of the system 352 00:22:37,020 --> 00:22:38,370 within our grasp, 353 00:22:39,450 --> 00:22:42,930 not a plate. I agree. I'm 100%, a 354 00:22:42,930 --> 00:22:46,830 podcast app. In fact, a podcast app that wants to participate, 355 00:22:46,830 --> 00:22:50,340 let's just say there's an IAB program, and the program means 356 00:22:50,550 --> 00:22:54,510 you participate in, in statistics, all you need to do 357 00:22:54,720 --> 00:23:01,650 is send off one Satoshi per minute. With the following TLV 358 00:23:01,650 --> 00:23:05,220 records, and it can go to an IP wallet, they can refund it, I 359 00:23:05,220 --> 00:23:09,060 don't care. It's all it's just about the transaction. Just for 360 00:23:09,060 --> 00:23:12,270 the data. That's some real world data right there. It doesn't 361 00:23:12,270 --> 00:23:16,380 have to cost anybody anything. It's relatively simple to you 362 00:23:16,380 --> 00:23:22,050 know, you don't have to have necessarily mean it all comes 363 00:23:22,050 --> 00:23:25,800 down to who do you want tracking you? And how do you want them to 364 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:26,220 do it? 365 00:23:27,569 --> 00:23:30,659 The answer is nobody. But it's Ain't nobody, 366 00:23:30,690 --> 00:23:36,450 right? But that's not true. Because if you listen to pod 367 00:23:36,450 --> 00:23:42,210 land, pod News, New Media show any any podcast related podcast, 368 00:23:42,210 --> 00:23:45,930 Business Journal, it's all about advertising and what deals it's 369 00:23:45,930 --> 00:23:48,120 all about content. I mean, some of you know, obviously, there's 370 00:23:48,120 --> 00:23:53,700 some infrastructure stuff. But this is This to me is is it's 371 00:23:53,700 --> 00:23:57,840 crippling for the advertising statistics. business. 372 00:23:59,069 --> 00:24:03,569 I can tell you, after the Twitter back and forth ahead 373 00:24:03,569 --> 00:24:10,019 that I've been going on on with, with Peter wells. And in James 374 00:24:10,469 --> 00:24:13,169 Peter wells is a podcast journalist for the Sydney 375 00:24:13,169 --> 00:24:17,129 Morning Herald. Who just basically poopoo everything that 376 00:24:17,129 --> 00:24:17,669 we're doing. 377 00:24:19,230 --> 00:24:22,620 No, no, no, no. He literally said I can't give a flying fuck 378 00:24:22,620 --> 00:24:24,000 about podcast index. 379 00:24:24,210 --> 00:24:27,270 Yeah, that's what he said. Yeah. I mean, he's my nomination for 380 00:24:27,270 --> 00:24:31,500 our foil. I mean, every every superhero needs a foil. 381 00:24:31,859 --> 00:24:33,059 Is he or Lex Luthor? 382 00:24:33,300 --> 00:24:38,520 Yes, he's the legacy of Bruce Willis need to say Jackson. I 383 00:24:38,970 --> 00:24:41,010 nominated him, but 384 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:42,240 hereby accepted. 385 00:24:42,690 --> 00:24:48,120 Okay. That mean like, after having that conversation, and 386 00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:52,950 seeing the resistance, some of which came from people like Vin 387 00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:58,140 slinger at pod chaser? I'm like, What? Why are you against like, 388 00:24:58,770 --> 00:25:02,160 he was like piping in leyna putting likes on people who were 389 00:25:02,190 --> 00:25:05,790 who, who were saying stuff against the namespace. I'm like, 390 00:25:05,790 --> 00:25:06,990 What? What is this? 391 00:25:07,020 --> 00:25:10,590 That's very interesting as I just heard a whole interview 392 00:25:10,590 --> 00:25:18,330 with one of the founders of the taxonomy project. That's we 393 00:25:18,330 --> 00:25:20,790 we've integrated that. No, I 394 00:25:20,790 --> 00:25:24,060 didn't understand that at all. And so I thought, Well, okay, 395 00:25:24,660 --> 00:25:27,630 let me it's pod chaser. Are we competing with pod chaser? 396 00:25:27,630 --> 00:25:30,360 Somehow, in some fashion? What do we what are we? What are we 397 00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:34,410 done that I know that we pissing somebody cornflakes as possible? 398 00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:38,100 I did not know that I'm aware of. I mean, they just started an 399 00:25:38,100 --> 00:25:41,400 API. But I mean, that's just been recent. I mean, we've been 400 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,780 doing this since last year. So I don't think so. But anyway, but 401 00:25:45,780 --> 00:25:49,320 I was watching that whole back and forth. And I was thinking to 402 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:54,030 myself, you know, I was I was remembering back to when 403 00:25:54,030 --> 00:25:58,020 everybody thought that JSON, we had a real chance to supplant 404 00:25:58,020 --> 00:26:02,040 RSS. I'm like, that is the biggest bunch of malarkey. I 405 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:07,470 mean, that we can even we can if people can't even agree that 406 00:26:07,470 --> 00:26:11,940 chapters are cool. How in the hell are is anybody ever gonna 407 00:26:11,940 --> 00:26:15,720 think that the whole industry can move from RSS to JSON? I 408 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,470 mean, this this podcast, the podcast industry, I called it, 409 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:25,710 you know, Munchausen by 1000, proxies? Yes. It is basically 410 00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:31,830 the the the, the creators of the podcast industry, who are the 411 00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:38,520 podcasters themselves have such a Stockholm Syndrome, about big 412 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,450 tech, that they've they don't even realize that they're the 413 00:26:42,450 --> 00:26:46,380 ones in charge anymore. They think everybody thinks that has 414 00:26:46,380 --> 00:26:49,440 to wait around for somebody else to do something is so 415 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:54,450 frustrating. Like, Oh, come on, guys. You You have all you have 416 00:26:54,450 --> 00:26:58,680 to do is say things like it. Oh, let me back up for a second. So 417 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,050 one of the things that Peter was saying is, like, all these other 418 00:27:01,050 --> 00:27:03,270 podcast apps are great. You know, they're all they're all. 419 00:27:03,300 --> 00:27:07,800 They're all fantastic. But Spotify is the one debate in his 420 00:27:07,860 --> 00:27:12,930 in his in his, his reasoning was, its slick, quote, unquote, 421 00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:17,910 which I don't know what that means. And it allows you to jump 422 00:27:17,910 --> 00:27:20,310 when you get out of the car, you can pick up where you left off 423 00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:20,610 on your 424 00:27:20,609 --> 00:27:22,889 legs. Oh, wow. Oh, 425 00:27:23,609 --> 00:27:27,479 that's what makes it quote unquote, the app to beat okay. 426 00:27:27,839 --> 00:27:31,859 But then he but then he will go on to say, oh, but, you know, 427 00:27:31,859 --> 00:27:34,679 clearly these other apps are better out like pocket casts 428 00:27:34,709 --> 00:27:39,179 overcast downcast? I mean, like, if all the other podcasts are 429 00:27:39,179 --> 00:27:44,849 better. And then why not just tell people to try out a 430 00:27:44,849 --> 00:27:49,229 different podcast app? Yeah, it's very simple. And if every 431 00:27:49,259 --> 00:27:53,549 podcaster did that, if every podcaster just chose one a week, 432 00:27:53,759 --> 00:27:57,089 and said, Hey, I know that you like, Listen, I know that I can 433 00:27:57,089 --> 00:28:02,639 see that all my listeners are using Apple podcasts, or 60% of 434 00:28:02,639 --> 00:28:05,879 reason, Apple podcasts. Do this for me. tritan. This week, 435 00:28:05,879 --> 00:28:10,169 download on your phone, download a different podcast app and just 436 00:28:10,409 --> 00:28:14,129 pick one. And try it out. This is what the next week you say 437 00:28:14,159 --> 00:28:17,609 try a different try. This next one, people will do it. 438 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,600 Yes, this is what I've been. I've been eating dog food on 439 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,050 that on no agenda show. So just right after we thank the 440 00:28:25,050 --> 00:28:29,400 artists, before we go into our Thank you segment for producer 441 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,900 support. I highlight a feature or talk about something that 442 00:28:33,930 --> 00:28:40,170 that works in a certain way. And then then I'll either say try 443 00:28:40,170 --> 00:28:43,770 out this specific app or try out any new app from new podcast 444 00:28:43,770 --> 00:28:47,340 apps calm. And what's interesting to me is the 445 00:28:47,340 --> 00:28:50,220 listeners are the ones that are really promoting this. And 446 00:28:50,220 --> 00:28:54,570 they're telling other other listeners and podcasters to 447 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,960 check out these apps. But the power right the power of the 448 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:03,510 podcast or saying that is it's it's very big. So there's I 449 00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:09,510 think there's a couple things going on. So the infrastructure 450 00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:14,730 wise, hosting companies, other servers, companies, advert 451 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,630 everyone is just waiting to be bought. And they can tell you no 452 00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:20,640 but the bullshit. They're waiting to be bought. They're 453 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,690 just just waiting for their turn. Although it's kind of 454 00:29:24,690 --> 00:29:29,400 thinning out, I don't think and some some have no intention ever 455 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:37,650 of doing that a few maybe. In to me the pinnacle. And we're both 456 00:29:37,650 --> 00:29:42,090 scheduled to be at podcast movement. The pinnacle is all of 457 00:29:42,090 --> 00:29:46,650 a sudden podcast movement comes out with Oh my god, we're so 458 00:29:46,650 --> 00:29:49,560 lucky. We have a keynote from Mark Cuban. 459 00:29:50,819 --> 00:29:53,369 That was a kick. That was a kick in the junk. 460 00:29:53,399 --> 00:29:57,659 I really, really read about kicking the kick in the crotch 461 00:29:57,659 --> 00:30:01,769 to everybody. What All of a sudden, this guy is the most 462 00:30:01,769 --> 00:30:03,389 important thing for a keynote. 463 00:30:03,690 --> 00:30:07,410 He doesn't even have an app yet. Just talking to talk some shit. 464 00:30:10,020 --> 00:30:15,150 And that, that if I was Dan Benjamin, I would be pissed. 465 00:30:15,180 --> 00:30:15,600 Well, I but 466 00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:19,949 I gotta hand it to Silicon Valley. And I count Spotify as a 467 00:30:19,949 --> 00:30:24,509 part of that. They set out to destroy podcasting, to take it 468 00:30:24,509 --> 00:30:29,369 into their own, into their own realm, their own walled garden. 469 00:30:29,999 --> 00:30:36,749 It started with Spotify, and we don't have to rehash that. But 470 00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:42,569 it's what Apple is doing shows complete disdain. they've 471 00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:46,859 they've purchased all the assets that are worthwhile to them, uh, 472 00:30:46,859 --> 00:30:51,419 certainly the hosting companies. And probably just to learn, 473 00:30:51,419 --> 00:30:54,059 while others have learned in half, Apple's not going to buy a 474 00:30:54,059 --> 00:30:56,669 hosting company, they've built one themselves. And they 475 00:30:56,669 --> 00:30:59,279 probably had all kinds of great meetings with the with the 476 00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:03,599 willing podcast host. Oh, yeah. Come on in. Come on, guys. Let's 477 00:31:03,599 --> 00:31:06,479 put out the good silverware apples come and visit today. And 478 00:31:06,479 --> 00:31:08,189 they stole all your ideas. And they're going to do that 479 00:31:08,189 --> 00:31:11,369 themselves. And they do not care about the open system. It's not 480 00:31:11,369 --> 00:31:14,849 in their DNA at all. They don't they're not interested. They 481 00:31:14,849 --> 00:31:17,249 want to own the content. And then they come out with big 482 00:31:17,249 --> 00:31:20,939 money deals, which which puts all of the podcasters and 483 00:31:20,939 --> 00:31:24,929 content creators like deer in the headlight would there's 484 00:31:24,929 --> 00:31:28,949 money to be made, like I mean, whatever. Amazon's latest 485 00:31:28,949 --> 00:31:29,879 acquisition was 486 00:31:31,530 --> 00:31:37,290 good the $80 million when one week window? Yeah, they will see 487 00:31:37,290 --> 00:31:42,330 the podcast industry beginning to act like traditional media as 488 00:31:42,330 --> 00:31:42,810 well. 489 00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:46,409 They've been doing that for a long time, Dave? Well, the brand 490 00:31:46,409 --> 00:31:46,859 going, 491 00:31:47,099 --> 00:31:51,269 you saw the Britney Spears. Britney Spears, oh, I need 492 00:31:51,779 --> 00:31:56,489 conservatorship is is harming me, came out of nowhere. And 493 00:31:56,489 --> 00:31:59,129 it's like, I was thinking the whole time. That was like last 494 00:31:59,129 --> 00:32:01,259 week. There's all these stories about Britney Spears 495 00:32:01,259 --> 00:32:04,259 conservatorship, I don't even know what conservatorship is and 496 00:32:04,259 --> 00:32:08,459 how to do that. Like what what is this story about? And then we 497 00:32:08,459 --> 00:32:11,669 find out this week well, because there's a podcast launching 498 00:32:11,669 --> 00:32:14,309 about her. And like, 499 00:32:15,180 --> 00:32:19,920 most most news you see on the the mainstream is entertainment 500 00:32:19,950 --> 00:32:24,210 related for products they also own. Yeah, ABC does a good job 501 00:32:24,210 --> 00:32:26,190 of that. Oh, okay. This 502 00:32:26,190 --> 00:32:28,800 was this was negative advertising for sure. 503 00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:31,589 From a PR for sure. Sure. 504 00:32:32,940 --> 00:32:36,330 I think Peters problem is the Australian lockdowns. Well, 505 00:32:36,330 --> 00:32:37,350 yeah, that's 506 00:32:37,349 --> 00:32:40,169 what Cridland said, Well, you know, maybe he's just pissed off 507 00:32:40,169 --> 00:32:42,599 about being locked down. But I know it 508 00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:44,759 can be true that I think that could be true, though. I mean, 509 00:32:44,879 --> 00:32:48,239 that. I feel sorry for Australia, man. I mean, they are 510 00:32:48,239 --> 00:32:52,769 just, it's endless that that, you know, it doesn't bother 511 00:32:52,769 --> 00:32:54,749 Cridland as much because he's British. There used to be, you 512 00:32:54,749 --> 00:32:55,739 know, there. There used to 513 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:56,580 complain. 514 00:32:57,390 --> 00:33:02,220 They have had hundreds of years to hone the fond skills of 515 00:33:02,220 --> 00:33:05,250 mockery. Yeah, that's how they defend themselves. This is a 516 00:33:05,250 --> 00:33:05,460 good 517 00:33:05,460 --> 00:33:05,790 point. 518 00:33:05,970 --> 00:33:08,940 But the Aussies are. I mean, they're not used to this. But I 519 00:33:08,940 --> 00:33:13,770 mean, they, somebody is gonna crack down there. If they keep 520 00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:16,350 going with these endless log downs. It's gonna it's not going 521 00:33:16,350 --> 00:33:19,380 to be, it's sometimes nice. Well, I feel the same way with 522 00:33:19,380 --> 00:33:20,070 Canada, too. 523 00:33:20,069 --> 00:33:22,829 I mean, it's like somebody's just gonna lose it. Well, if you 524 00:33:22,829 --> 00:33:26,729 see all of the countries related to the crown, Canada, New 525 00:33:26,729 --> 00:33:30,269 Zealand, Australia and the United Kingdom are all in the 526 00:33:30,269 --> 00:33:32,999 same. paralyse state. 527 00:33:33,660 --> 00:33:35,790 Yeah. But that's not good. 528 00:33:35,970 --> 00:33:40,410 Not anyway. Sorry for them. Yeah. I don't think it's an 529 00:33:40,410 --> 00:33:41,640 excuse to be a dick. 530 00:33:42,300 --> 00:33:45,090 Do you know there's only 20 I think I heard James say there's 531 00:33:45,090 --> 00:33:48,330 only 25 million people in Australia. That's correct. 532 00:33:48,330 --> 00:33:49,380 realize it was that low? 533 00:33:49,710 --> 00:33:51,150 Yeah, it's a big country. 534 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,330 And everything in that country wants to kill you. So let's 535 00:33:55,589 --> 00:33:58,589 have you ever visited. I was there for two weeks and did a 536 00:33:58,589 --> 00:34:04,259 documentary in 1990 though really fantastic. Loved it. I've 537 00:34:04,259 --> 00:34:07,169 heard it's beautiful. The people are great. It's just everything 538 00:34:07,169 --> 00:34:10,979 was fantastic. Of course back then they still had guns. 539 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:22,860 The I get this article here. Strike is going to put Bitcoin 540 00:34:22,860 --> 00:34:24,480 buying directly in the app. 541 00:34:25,140 --> 00:34:27,270 Yeah, that's very interesting. And but I think they're not 542 00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:30,150 doing it themselves. They have a financial partner. This is the 543 00:34:30,150 --> 00:34:36,750 big thing that's happening with Bitcoin is now ny di G, NY dig. 544 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:37,740 And 545 00:34:37,740 --> 00:34:38,730 they saw that, 546 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,390 yeah, there they are providing services to financial 547 00:34:43,290 --> 00:34:46,830 corporations for trading in Bitcoin. And I don't know if 548 00:34:46,830 --> 00:34:52,560 that's what, what strike is going to use. But it's an API 549 00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:56,880 and just tied to the API and you can allow your customers to buy 550 00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:59,970 or sell Bitcoin for 551 00:35:01,890 --> 00:35:05,430 Did you see the hole? Did you see that story which this is 552 00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:10,110 related? And it was somebody on the blockchain caucus? Yes. 553 00:35:10,110 --> 00:35:10,680 Congress? 554 00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:15,330 Yes. The the governor of Wyoming? Oh, yeah. 555 00:35:15,359 --> 00:35:20,159 Well, this was the guy they quoted in here. It gives 556 00:35:20,579 --> 00:35:24,029 Congress Democratic Representative bill foster of 557 00:35:24,029 --> 00:35:27,569 Illinois co chair of the house blockchain caucus. What's this 558 00:35:27,569 --> 00:35:32,279 nice Democratic Representative bill foster of Illinois? Oh, 559 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:33,420 no, I don't have this story. 560 00:35:33,870 --> 00:35:37,110 said Tuesday that laws must be passed to allow federal courts 561 00:35:37,110 --> 00:35:39,690 to identify digital asset holders and then reverse 562 00:35:39,690 --> 00:35:40,440 transactions. 563 00:35:42,060 --> 00:35:46,770 Now, there's a bunch of douchebags this other guy, I 564 00:35:46,770 --> 00:35:50,070 don't have the clip. Also on the same committee who was saying 565 00:35:50,340 --> 00:35:53,700 bitcoins, good theory is better. Dogecoin is the best but my 566 00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:59,490 state lottery is really where you want to be. Okay. Loomis 567 00:35:59,670 --> 00:36:03,060 Loomis of wyant. Wyoming is doing a lot. For me Really? 568 00:36:03,150 --> 00:36:05,910 Listen to this. This is I'm sorry, not governor, Senator, 569 00:36:06,030 --> 00:36:07,470 Senator Loomis from Wyoming. 570 00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:10,200 Senator Cynthia Lummis of Wyoming is the founder of the 571 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,440 Financial Innovation caucus in Congress. She's been a major 572 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,070 advocate for cryptocurrencies on Capitol Hill, and I sat down 573 00:36:17,070 --> 00:36:20,100 with her for CNBC financial advisor summit, and she told me 574 00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:22,890 she envisions Bitcoin in particular, becoming an 575 00:36:22,890 --> 00:36:25,200 important component of individual retirement 576 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,720 portfolios. She believes it can serve as a hedge against 577 00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:31,080 inflation as the size of the nation's debt relative to GDP 578 00:36:31,170 --> 00:36:34,920 hits historic highs. I encourage people to buy and hold I 579 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,980 encourage them to say Bitcoin for their retirement for their 580 00:36:37,980 --> 00:36:43,440 future. And that's because as the Congress spends trillions 581 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:48,330 and trillions of dollars, and is flooding our economy on the 582 00:36:48,330 --> 00:36:53,190 world economy with US dollars, there's no way that we cannot 583 00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:56,970 debase the value of the US dollars and lemmas practices 584 00:36:56,970 --> 00:37:00,180 what she preaches she's an investor in Bitcoin as well. I 585 00:37:00,180 --> 00:37:03,570 buy bitcoin and I hold Bitcoin you buy bitcoin? Oh, yeah, you 586 00:37:03,570 --> 00:37:06,240 have Bitcoin? I do. How much Bitcoin do you have? Well, I 587 00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:10,680 only have, I think, five Bitcoins. So only five Bitcoin, 588 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,730 but she bought them in 2013, for about $300 each. So she can now 589 00:37:14,730 --> 00:37:17,790 add a couple of zeros to that number. And Wyoming is in the 590 00:37:17,790 --> 00:37:20,850 process of setting up setting up its own crypto banking system 591 00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:23,340 that Loomis hopes will become a model for other states 592 00:37:23,370 --> 00:37:27,780 as well. banking system? Yes, 593 00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:31,260 this stuff is happening. It's happening at a country level, 594 00:37:31,290 --> 00:37:37,950 mainly poor, suppressed countries under control of the 595 00:37:37,950 --> 00:37:43,020 global banking system, or, you know, states is states, 596 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,330 exercising states rights. 597 00:37:46,020 --> 00:37:48,030 I think you're I think you're right, I think it is happening. 598 00:37:48,030 --> 00:37:50,700 And I think that stories like that with the guy who said, we 599 00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:52,980 need to be able to reverse transaction and unmasking all 600 00:37:52,980 --> 00:37:56,820 that, like, so if you're not, if people are not familiar with 601 00:37:56,820 --> 00:38:01,710 what what's called public choice theory. It's this idea as an 602 00:38:01,710 --> 00:38:07,200 egg. It's usually in the realm of economics, where you analyze 603 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,790 people's behaviors based in part in politics, people's political 604 00:38:11,790 --> 00:38:17,010 behavior, is as if they were market participants. So you're 605 00:38:17,010 --> 00:38:20,760 taking sort of an economic view, that people will make rational 606 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,960 decisions in an economic sense about more than just economics 607 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,050 also about any sort of market. So like, you can just look at 608 00:38:28,050 --> 00:38:32,460 politics as if it were a market, right. And so one of the ideas 609 00:38:32,460 --> 00:38:35,730 there, there's a bunch of different ideas, like log 610 00:38:35,730 --> 00:38:38,700 rolling and other things. One of the ideas is what's called 611 00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:44,790 juicer bills. And juicer bills are a tried and true long 612 00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:50,730 standing thing within politics, where you threaten an industry 613 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,900 with a certain bill, and it gets public, it gets publicity and 614 00:38:54,900 --> 00:38:58,200 that kind of thing. But the goal is never to pass the bill. The 615 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,980 goal is to just get people to donate to your campaign so that 616 00:39:01,980 --> 00:39:03,030 you won't pass a bill. 617 00:39:03,090 --> 00:39:06,480 Yes, I think that's that's a science that is very well 618 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:07,680 studied and practiced. 619 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,460 Yeah. And so you have things like this like, Oh, we need to 620 00:39:11,550 --> 00:39:14,910 we need to crack down on Bitcoin we need to make sure we can 621 00:39:14,970 --> 00:39:15,510 afford my 622 00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:16,740 reelection campaign. 623 00:39:16,830 --> 00:39:20,100 Exactly. And that's a way that's the way of sending a little 624 00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:21,990 warning shot to the Bitcoin bull. Well, 625 00:39:21,989 --> 00:39:24,749 hold on a sec. Oh, was that was that was that guy's name? Who 626 00:39:24,750 --> 00:39:29,880 said that? Bill foster record, the representative bill foster 627 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:30,390 from Illinois. 628 00:39:31,950 --> 00:39:36,030 Okay, let's go to open secrets. Let's see who's funding Mr. Bill 629 00:39:36,030 --> 00:39:40,680 foster from Illinois. Oh, yeah. I love this is what I do. Yeah. 630 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:46,080 Let us see top industries security and investment. GE 631 00:39:46,170 --> 00:39:47,370 food. I hear that 632 00:39:48,029 --> 00:39:49,049 shocking. Let's see. 633 00:39:49,740 --> 00:39:52,920 Let's see if we can see some of these. Hold on. Where do I get 634 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,690 to the get to the individual people as well. Oh, if you do, 635 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,740 let me do combined with With leadership political action 636 00:40:01,740 --> 00:40:05,940 committees, yeah, baby now Now it starts to look good. is 637 00:40:05,940 --> 00:40:14,790 raised two and a half million. Interesting. So University a lot 638 00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:19,560 of university stuff that makes education number one, but 639 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,250 securities and investment number two, we should see the whole 640 00:40:23,250 --> 00:40:26,790 list. Yeah. So 641 00:40:30,930 --> 00:40:33,720 do you combine that with you combine that with a lob rolling 642 00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:36,240 as well. And you say, Okay, well, I'll come out and I'll 643 00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:41,010 juice out juice your bill to give you support. And then 644 00:40:41,010 --> 00:40:43,410 you're going to, you're going to help me win, you're going to 645 00:40:43,410 --> 00:40:47,790 vote for my legislation? Right, right, three weeks from now. So 646 00:40:47,790 --> 00:40:51,090 that I mean, like, all of this stuff is just it's, you could, 647 00:40:51,330 --> 00:40:55,980 you could call it the swamp. You know, that's, that's, that's the 648 00:40:55,980 --> 00:40:58,110 way this stuff works. And so when you see, let you know, you 649 00:40:58,110 --> 00:41:00,930 see things in the news like this, it doesn't mean that this 650 00:41:00,930 --> 00:41:02,910 stuff is actually going to happen. No, it just means 651 00:41:02,910 --> 00:41:03,720 they're fundraising. 652 00:41:04,169 --> 00:41:07,799 Yeah, but I think the genies out of the bottle, you know, yeah, 653 00:41:07,799 --> 00:41:13,469 these reports are that Soros, the Soros is family trading 654 00:41:13,469 --> 00:41:16,379 desk, they now have a green light to trade in Bitcoin, which 655 00:41:16,379 --> 00:41:19,199 means it could be shorting it to you don't know. It could be 656 00:41:19,859 --> 00:41:25,379 eventually, all of them short at some point. But everyone's in 657 00:41:25,379 --> 00:41:30,179 the game. So I should probably come up with a recommendation 658 00:41:30,179 --> 00:41:33,359 for a good history of money book I've been reading so much, but 659 00:41:33,359 --> 00:41:36,449 it's actually under the Satoshi library, there's a I have to 660 00:41:36,479 --> 00:41:39,269 find it, put it in the show notes. When you really look at 661 00:41:39,269 --> 00:41:43,409 the history of money. It's just a mindset. Yeah, we still talk 662 00:41:43,409 --> 00:41:47,759 about how many clams that cost because money in the early days 663 00:41:47,759 --> 00:41:51,689 when this the first settlers were in New York, they used clam 664 00:41:51,689 --> 00:41:56,399 shells with drilled holes, which the Indians, the native, the 665 00:41:56,399 --> 00:42:00,809 Native Americans at the time were, were using as some form of 666 00:42:00,839 --> 00:42:05,489 value mechanism. And so the settlers used that as well. So 667 00:42:05,489 --> 00:42:10,259 that's how we today still use I paid 500 claims for that. Yeah, 668 00:42:10,259 --> 00:42:13,049 and then wampum was another shell short, so you can go on 669 00:42:13,049 --> 00:42:16,739 and on and on. And this is just another iteration, but it's 670 00:42:16,769 --> 00:42:19,709 clearly threatening to. And again, it's just a mindset, 671 00:42:19,799 --> 00:42:23,729 just, it's just what you believe that has value. That's all and 672 00:42:23,729 --> 00:42:26,999 the more people talk about Bitcoin and satoshis, the more 673 00:42:26,999 --> 00:42:30,509 people understand, okay, that has value, and there's a value 674 00:42:30,509 --> 00:42:34,889 attached to it. And the only thing we know now is, well, that 675 00:42:34,889 --> 00:42:37,589 value goes up and down a lot. Yeah, does. 676 00:42:37,620 --> 00:42:42,330 Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, the other big story, to me are 677 00:42:42,330 --> 00:42:46,320 stories multiple this week was all the ban, you know, the 678 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,820 different people getting banned from from different platforms, 679 00:42:50,850 --> 00:42:52,050 or D monetize. 680 00:42:52,380 --> 00:42:56,100 Yeah, they brought some clips, cuz I thought there's something 681 00:42:56,100 --> 00:43:00,390 pretty interesting about that as well. Okay. Let's see who I got 682 00:43:00,390 --> 00:43:03,600 here. So there's, there's two, he had the story. You had the 683 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:10,410 boundary, Scott thing. And then Andy, go, I think is no, no, no, 684 00:43:10,410 --> 00:43:16,920 Andy. No, no. And Benji, Scott got kicked off YouTube. And then 685 00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:21,360 Andy, no, got kicked off. SoundCloud. Both were reversed. 686 00:43:22,980 --> 00:43:26,520 But the story, the stories are pretty interesting. Let's see 687 00:43:26,580 --> 00:43:33,750 play. This was the main thing with Andrew Scott. The big the 688 00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:40,710 story was sort of played out like it was AI. That was sort of 689 00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:45,300 the focus. Okay, well, he got banned by a bot. And there was 690 00:43:45,300 --> 00:43:48,930 no human interaction and that kind of thing. Right. I thought 691 00:43:48,930 --> 00:43:51,600 the more in that that was interesting. But I thought the 692 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:56,340 more interesting part of it was, was this play, play manager, 693 00:43:56,340 --> 00:44:01,470 Scott clip. And they had discussed this group of trolls 694 00:44:01,470 --> 00:44:06,240 from who are employed by the CCP, I think they're called the 695 00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:10,350 50 Cent Army, something like that. And they discussed this 696 00:44:10,380 --> 00:44:14,400 method that they have to get rid of content that is critical of 697 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:19,440 the CCP. And the way they do this is first, leave comments 698 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,520 and reply to stuff saying, this is a dumb idea. You're an idiot. 699 00:44:23,790 --> 00:44:27,570 Why don't you think about this stupid America, stuff like that. 700 00:44:27,900 --> 00:44:33,510 And then they also mass flag stuff as spam and scams, because 701 00:44:33,540 --> 00:44:38,400 all the algorithms all these platforms are more likely to 702 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,750 just get rid of something if it is a spam, a piece of spam or 703 00:44:42,750 --> 00:44:47,370 especially if it's a scam. So they mass flag comments and 704 00:44:47,370 --> 00:44:52,080 videos to get rid of stuff that is critical to the CCP. That is 705 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,680 my theory about what actually happened. But this could be 706 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,820 completely wrong because YouTube doesn't share a frickin single 707 00:44:59,820 --> 00:45:02,760 piece. have information about what actually happened. So I'm 708 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,150 left here, just feeling around in the dark saying what actually 709 00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:10,260 happened. So I have to think through every single comment 710 00:45:10,260 --> 00:45:14,910 that I've ever made. And that's the only one that I can think of 711 00:45:14,910 --> 00:45:19,290 that might have garnered enough hatred, enough vitriol against 712 00:45:19,290 --> 00:45:24,480 it to be mass flagged. Because if these theories that they have 713 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,080 put forth are true, if this methodology that they have put 714 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:33,600 forth is true, where the 50 Cent Army, mass flags, comments and 715 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:38,550 videos as spam, to get them erased, that would make perfect 716 00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:41,760 sense. And it is very effective. Because even though I have the 717 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:46,620 ban reversed, guess what does not show up, again, my comment, 718 00:45:46,770 --> 00:45:51,510 thanking laowai 86 for making this type of content, making 719 00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:54,810 sure that the comments that are critical of the CCP are erased 720 00:45:54,810 --> 00:45:57,990 forever unless the people who are banned and then get the band 721 00:45:57,990 --> 00:46:00,990 reversed. Remember what they wrote? Then go back to these 722 00:46:00,990 --> 00:46:05,610 videos and type it again, which I'm guessing most people do not 723 00:46:05,610 --> 00:46:11,610 do. They have been successful in silencing that opposition. I 724 00:46:11,610 --> 00:46:11,910 believe 725 00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:15,870 this to be completely true. Yeah, that that makes us 726 00:46:15,930 --> 00:46:20,130 completely, there's no AI that is going through and finding 727 00:46:20,130 --> 00:46:23,970 hate messages or hate speech or anything. This isn't going to 728 00:46:23,970 --> 00:46:28,620 waste any time on that. You have the now he said the 50 cent 729 00:46:28,620 --> 00:46:32,550 crew. But there's a number of them. It all started kind of 730 00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:36,060 with media matters in America, which was initially funded by 731 00:46:36,060 --> 00:46:42,960 the Clintons. Then we have the Was it the the walking the 732 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:48,840 waking giant or this? Some other outfit? Little Giant woke woke 733 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,470 giant? Something like that? Yeah. And so one thing is, you 734 00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:56,400 know, one way to go is to directly approach advertisers 735 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,310 and say, Hey, you know, your ad is showing up on that website or 736 00:46:59,310 --> 00:47:02,970 is being placed in that podcast or on that YouTube. And you 737 00:47:02,970 --> 00:47:05,490 know, that's hateful, that's horrible. And you post that 738 00:47:05,490 --> 00:47:08,820 publicly and the advertiser goes within seconds done. And the 739 00:47:08,820 --> 00:47:13,470 other way is to report it as hateful is, as such. You know, 740 00:47:13,500 --> 00:47:18,120 we we had an example of that someone was very angry at Tim 741 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:24,870 Dylan, comedian slash podcaster. And we received at podcast 742 00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:29,100 index, a form note, the same one was received by a couple of app 743 00:47:29,100 --> 00:47:32,100 developers. And it was, you know, this guy's transphobic, 744 00:47:32,100 --> 00:47:36,300 homophobic, squirrel phobic, and all the things that he was, you 745 00:47:36,300 --> 00:47:38,940 need to take them off. That's horrible. And so you know, these 746 00:47:38,940 --> 00:47:42,660 are campaigns and there's a lot of that. And always, when 747 00:47:42,660 --> 00:47:45,840 there's advertisers involved, the pressure is going to work 748 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:46,950 very swiftly. 749 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,700 Because it's brand it's not brand brand safe 750 00:47:50,730 --> 00:47:55,620 in podcasting. By its very nature is not brand safe, and it 751 00:47:55,620 --> 00:47:59,430 can't be checked, and it will never scale to enormous heights 752 00:47:59,430 --> 00:48:00,930 because of that very reason. 753 00:48:01,650 --> 00:48:08,340 Well, so the the the Andy, the Andy know, thing is very, is 754 00:48:08,340 --> 00:48:11,940 very similar. You know, his, his podcasts were removed on 755 00:48:11,940 --> 00:48:12,720 SoundCloud. He 756 00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:15,450 hadn't even posted an episode for like a year or something. It 757 00:48:15,450 --> 00:48:16,500 wasn't like, yeah, 758 00:48:17,790 --> 00:48:21,360 yeah, it was a long time. And so it was sitting there and and 759 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:27,720 then he got, he got reversed. And they note that they sent to 760 00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:31,650 him about the reversal. Well, it's the the first thing they 761 00:48:31,650 --> 00:48:35,640 said was they sent him an email saying that your your podcast 762 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:40,620 had been banned on the grounds of being dedicated to violating 763 00:48:40,620 --> 00:48:44,670 the site's rules. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty specific. Yeah, 764 00:48:44,700 --> 00:48:47,460 dead dead. And not just that you followed community guidelines, 765 00:48:47,460 --> 00:48:51,360 but dedicated to violating the site's rules. Excellent. That 766 00:48:51,570 --> 00:48:56,700 then didn't their reversal. They emailed him said, following an 767 00:48:56,700 --> 00:48:59,100 initial review conducted by a team member, your account was 768 00:48:59,100 --> 00:49:02,280 removed from the platform for violating our terms. We've 769 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,250 conducted additional reviews of the account and found that our 770 00:49:05,250 --> 00:49:07,470 initial conclusions are not an accurate reflection of the 771 00:49:07,470 --> 00:49:12,180 hosted content, and wrote it. And so they said reviewing 772 00:49:12,180 --> 00:49:15,930 reported content is not an automated process. So this takes 773 00:49:15,930 --> 00:49:21,090 time. So that tells me that the reviewing of the reported 774 00:49:21,090 --> 00:49:25,260 content is not an automated process. But the the collection 775 00:49:25,260 --> 00:49:28,890 and action as immediate and automatic is immediate and 776 00:49:28,890 --> 00:49:34,980 automatic. And that is purely for brand safety. In the so he 777 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:41,370 and I think this is probably still the same type of deal of 778 00:49:41,370 --> 00:49:46,170 being targeted by certain groups. And there's It reminded 779 00:49:46,170 --> 00:49:50,340 me of a of a podcast. I wasn't at Scott Horton show all the 780 00:49:50,340 --> 00:49:54,510 time. And Scott had a gal in there named Ryan Dawson. This is 781 00:49:54,630 --> 00:49:58,800 maybe even a year ago. And it was in the similar similar type 782 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:05,130 thing. He got kicked off Patreon. Play Dawson one, okay? 783 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:10,140 Because a lot of my I'm a Patreon refugee. So my Patreon 784 00:50:10,140 --> 00:50:12,600 is writing them because they actually charged everybody for 785 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:17,100 July even though we only had two days of July content. So I told 786 00:50:17,100 --> 00:50:22,080 them Don't Don't let them take your money. And so I have, I've 787 00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,840 got three different reasons that they've given and people have 788 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,470 screenshot this and given them to me one was accusing me of 789 00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:31,770 using racial slurs about the black community, which I never 790 00:50:31,770 --> 00:50:35,970 did. Another was religious bigotry, which I don't even talk 791 00:50:35,970 --> 00:50:40,470 about religion. And another one was pornography with child porn 792 00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:44,430 and BC ality which I've also never done. So they can't even 793 00:50:44,430 --> 00:50:45,630 make up a good reason. 794 00:50:46,830 --> 00:50:49,770 Yeah, that sounds like a standard derbe Reporting 795 00:50:49,770 --> 00:50:50,280 Template. 796 00:50:50,759 --> 00:50:57,269 Yeah, it's a hit job. And so the this is, if people are not 797 00:50:57,539 --> 00:51:01,769 aware, this is very similar to the way that things work in, in 798 00:51:01,769 --> 00:51:06,269 war with, with Nate, the native populations of war. So like, you 799 00:51:06,269 --> 00:51:09,179 can look at it in Afghanistan, this happened a lot, where you 800 00:51:09,179 --> 00:51:14,699 would have a tribe, tribal leader that would go to the US 801 00:51:15,659 --> 00:51:19,409 drone base there and say, Hey, this other tribe is harboring 802 00:51:19,409 --> 00:51:22,589 terrorists down the, you know, in the here's the location, 803 00:51:22,589 --> 00:51:23,819 here's what you need to drone. here's, 804 00:51:23,850 --> 00:51:27,150 here's the GPS coordinates. Yes, we'll light it up for you. 805 00:51:27,509 --> 00:51:30,449 Yep. And then come to find out, they weren't harboring 806 00:51:30,449 --> 00:51:33,779 terrorists, they were just having a, they were just wedding 807 00:51:33,779 --> 00:51:34,319 a lot always 808 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:35,790 a wedding. Yeah, it was always a wedding, 809 00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:38,910 a long running dispute with this other tribe. And they just they 810 00:51:38,910 --> 00:51:42,480 used the Americans to get to take them out. Same same type of 811 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,440 deal. And so play in that's, I think, 812 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,900 adults and two will flesh that out. They're not only the same 813 00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:54,720 time, though, I mean, if you're running things at Patreon, then 814 00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:58,590 you know that you're gonna have they have an entire department 815 00:51:58,590 --> 00:52:02,250 for dealing with tattletales. Right? I mean, they have to, 816 00:52:02,580 --> 00:52:05,550 yeah, judges every day somebody is trying to get somebody else 817 00:52:05,550 --> 00:52:09,210 kicked off of there. And so they can't just give in to everybody. 818 00:52:09,420 --> 00:52:13,230 They have to have some standards about how they do this, right? I 819 00:52:13,230 --> 00:52:15,990 know that somebody is in charge, not just a computer. 820 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:22,290 Well, it's, it's almost a computer because it's NPCs. They 821 00:52:22,290 --> 00:52:27,480 just think it's almost like a sport to cancel people like I 822 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,660 got one, I think they get rewarded for it or something. So 823 00:52:30,660 --> 00:52:33,090 I have some very powerful people. And they wrote on 824 00:52:33,090 --> 00:52:35,910 Twitter, like, after they got me kicked off Pay Pal. They're like 825 00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:37,320 his Patreon is next. 826 00:52:38,340 --> 00:52:42,120 You know, that's partially true. I'd love to I want to listen to 827 00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,910 the rest of the presentation before I comment. But the real 828 00:52:44,910 --> 00:52:48,360 reason, there's a real reason why Patreon has to cancel 829 00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,090 certain people. And that and I wonder if that's going to come 830 00:52:51,090 --> 00:52:52,860 up in this conversation? 831 00:52:53,370 --> 00:52:57,330 Well, it has real impact on people's lives. I mean, this, 832 00:52:57,810 --> 00:53:00,990 you can and I, and this is kind of where I'm going with this. 833 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:07,230 The real impact that it has on people's finances and their life 834 00:53:07,830 --> 00:53:11,880 can lead to real consequences. And I'm wondering if that's why. 835 00:53:12,780 --> 00:53:15,240 Well go ahead and play Dawson, three, and we'll talk about 836 00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:20,040 Yeah, so I don't I don't even know this time what the excuses 837 00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,080 because I've been given so many different reasons. But the 838 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,590 people that were celebrating me getting kicked off had also done 839 00:53:25,590 --> 00:53:28,230 the same thing. When they had me thrown off PayPal. I was done 840 00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:31,860 with PayPal twice. I was able to call them and reason with them 841 00:53:31,860 --> 00:53:35,730 and get back on. I think it was back in 2014. The first time I 842 00:53:35,730 --> 00:53:40,350 was thrown off, but this time, it's just there is no one there 843 00:53:40,380 --> 00:53:43,230 are completely unreachable. At this point. I'm like, What am I 844 00:53:43,260 --> 00:53:46,800 even being accused of breaking these rules? Like which rule Am 845 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,950 I supposed to have broken? And what did I do? It doesn't 846 00:53:49,950 --> 00:53:55,980 matter, there is no recourse that you can do. So I switched. 847 00:53:55,980 --> 00:53:58,530 You know, I had Patreon. I always had redundancy. Why it 848 00:53:58,530 --> 00:54:01,530 kicked off that I go to subscribe star Well, that's not 849 00:54:01,530 --> 00:54:06,270 available in Japan. So all I have left is membership on my 850 00:54:06,270 --> 00:54:09,870 website until they get rid at two, I suppose. And it's really 851 00:54:09,870 --> 00:54:12,630 bad timing. I got another baby on the way and I'm just trying 852 00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:16,710 to fight against all these evil things. You know, 853 00:54:17,130 --> 00:54:24,030 what always I find interesting is you hear this a lot. Well, 854 00:54:24,030 --> 00:54:27,240 I've got a secondary channel. I've got a backup over here. I 855 00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:31,950 also have an account on that. Yo, how about looking at a 856 00:54:32,190 --> 00:54:36,750 permanent solution. If you're doing that kind of work anyway, 857 00:54:37,020 --> 00:54:40,290 maybe there's something out there that will work that is not 858 00:54:40,290 --> 00:54:42,300 at the mercy of some Corporation. 859 00:54:44,340 --> 00:54:46,740 Yeah, well, I mean that that's it. 860 00:54:46,739 --> 00:54:50,069 Yeah, of course. It's this is horrible When this happens, and 861 00:54:50,399 --> 00:54:53,879 we can laugh about it. But yeah, I'm sure the Weinstein's that 862 00:54:53,879 --> 00:54:56,489 have their family income disappeared overnight. I'm sure 863 00:54:56,489 --> 00:55:01,199 that hurts the same for this guy with a Beyond the way, of course 864 00:55:01,199 --> 00:55:05,429 it hurts. These are the lessons that people are not learning 865 00:55:05,429 --> 00:55:06,419 from others over 866 00:55:06,420 --> 00:55:11,460 and over the radio, the radio silence from the from the 867 00:55:11,460 --> 00:55:14,520 platform is the one that I think is interesting because if you 868 00:55:15,630 --> 00:55:20,520 eat earlier in the in the show, he talks about how, in the early 869 00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:24,390 days, if he got canceled off of off of PayPal, you could call 870 00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:27,060 him up, or you could write him a letter, and they would respond, 871 00:55:27,060 --> 00:55:29,430 and they would tell you what's going on. And they would help 872 00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:32,970 you. But now, it seems like all these platforms have just 873 00:55:32,970 --> 00:55:37,830 adopted a strategy of complete silence, you get you get deep 874 00:55:37,830 --> 00:55:40,380 platformed. And you don't get any response. 875 00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:46,620 No, no agenda show has an account manager to paypal. And I 876 00:55:46,620 --> 00:55:50,760 have to say they've been fantastic. But there's a lot of 877 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,820 automated stuff. And so this was a few I don't know if we talked 878 00:55:53,820 --> 00:55:56,940 about this a couple, maybe two months back, all of a sudden, 879 00:55:57,090 --> 00:56:00,420 you could not donate to the show. If you if you hit the Pay 880 00:56:00,420 --> 00:56:04,170 Pal be like sorry, this organization is not authorized 881 00:56:04,170 --> 00:56:09,030 to receive payments at this moment. So okay. And what had 882 00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:16,830 happened is someone had sent in a donation on a specific date. 883 00:56:17,250 --> 00:56:21,420 And in the donation note had mentioned, you know, unabomber? 884 00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:26,490 Really, yeah, all kinds of crap like that. So the Bing bing bing 885 00:56:26,490 --> 00:56:31,710 bing, bing, bing, bing. Yeah. So, but now, of course, you 886 00:56:31,710 --> 00:56:37,200 know, we were, we're probably a medium size podcast account for 887 00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,840 them. So we have an account manager, and they're very 888 00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:44,970 helpful so that, that works great. But I am sure that if we 889 00:56:44,970 --> 00:56:48,300 as podcast index had a problem, we would not get anybody on the 890 00:56:48,300 --> 00:56:48,600 phone. 891 00:56:49,170 --> 00:56:52,320 No, I don't. I don't think we're childsplay. Yeah, we're paying. 892 00:56:52,530 --> 00:56:53,460 We're pennies. Do you 893 00:56:53,460 --> 00:56:58,440 want to thank some people before we go into four? I'm sorry. No, 894 00:56:58,440 --> 00:56:59,880 no, we'll finish it up. We'll finish it up. 895 00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,180 Okay, all right. Well, that because because number four is a 896 00:57:03,210 --> 00:57:10,170 is a plot twist. So yeah, go for it. I think like no one believed 897 00:57:10,170 --> 00:57:13,770 them. Like what all my patrons have been watching me for years. 898 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,820 Like he doesn't do any of that. Or reading and so no you could 899 00:57:17,820 --> 00:57:21,360 do to is just call them racist. Go look, man. I'm an American 900 00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,580 Indian. And if you got that card, 901 00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:24,600 good luck slam the 902 00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:30,450 hell out of you with it. I know. Like, I was like the second most 903 00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:35,310 prominent American Indian on Patreon. Probably, probably 904 00:57:35,310 --> 00:57:39,060 definitely the top 10. I yeah, I don't hate playing the race 905 00:57:39,060 --> 00:57:41,700 card. But I'll do it for my family because I got to do 906 00:57:41,700 --> 00:57:43,710 something. But it's crazy. Do you know? 907 00:57:44,190 --> 00:57:47,640 Yeah, that won't work. It won't work. 908 00:57:47,970 --> 00:57:49,920 Do you think it's interesting, though, that they deep 909 00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,400 platformed, the Native American minority group, you know, that's 910 00:57:53,850 --> 00:57:55,710 like, Oh, whoops. Oh, 911 00:57:56,489 --> 00:58:01,169 but but Oh, you're acting? I got it. I thought something really 912 00:58:01,169 --> 00:58:05,759 happened? Oh, no, no, no good acting, you got me. here's the 913 00:58:05,759 --> 00:58:09,659 here's the problem. And the reason to the two goals we set 914 00:58:09,659 --> 00:58:13,619 out when we started podcast index was to preserve podcasting 915 00:58:13,619 --> 00:58:16,649 as a platform for free speech. And to retool it into a platform 916 00:58:16,649 --> 00:58:19,469 of value. These two things are taking place right before our 917 00:58:19,469 --> 00:58:24,629 eyes with this Patreon. So it's taken down, because people don't 918 00:58:24,629 --> 00:58:27,869 like what you're saying. And the mechanism that's used is 919 00:58:27,869 --> 00:58:31,739 leveraged from the payment processor that Patreon uses, 920 00:58:31,859 --> 00:58:35,159 Patreon itself may not care that much. I don't know if the 921 00:58:35,159 --> 00:58:37,829 founders really care. I don't I think that they would rather not 922 00:58:37,829 --> 00:58:40,859 have to deal with this or just have a way to say sorry, free 923 00:58:40,859 --> 00:58:44,729 speech over here. But MasterCard is their payment processor, 924 00:58:44,729 --> 00:58:47,639 MasterCard, founding member of the World Economic Forum that 925 00:58:47,639 --> 00:58:52,049 Davos at the great reset. They don't want any controversy. They 926 00:58:52,049 --> 00:58:56,189 want big brands to be sponsoring everything. They want the woke 927 00:58:56,189 --> 00:59:01,829 message, and it's their brand Patreon is owned, not 928 00:59:02,219 --> 00:59:06,179 financially or legally, but their whole process is owned by 929 00:59:06,179 --> 00:59:09,569 MasterCard. And if it's not them, then it's the banks who 930 00:59:09,569 --> 00:59:12,209 are doing the same thing because the board they have a board 931 00:59:12,209 --> 00:59:14,729 meeting or their board of directors doesn't like a certain 932 00:59:15,869 --> 00:59:21,059 a certain tone idea or product. Guns is a good one. Marijuana is 933 00:59:21,059 --> 00:59:25,319 another one. sex work. These are the these are the easy ones to 934 00:59:25,319 --> 00:59:30,179 throw out. that's been going on for years. payday loans, if you 935 00:59:30,179 --> 00:59:34,169 provide those No, I can't do it your being. Now there's good and 936 00:59:34,169 --> 00:59:38,039 bad about that. But the point is the gatekeepers are at a lower 937 00:59:38,039 --> 00:59:40,769 level you never hear about and Patreon is not really the 938 00:59:40,769 --> 00:59:44,309 problem if the choice that is being made for the money route. 939 00:59:44,879 --> 00:59:47,339 And they're screwing with you. This is your international 940 00:59:47,339 --> 00:59:49,889 banking system. mastercards a big part of that. 941 00:59:50,850 --> 00:59:55,470 Well, then that leads me to this, Andy No, he replied to 942 00:59:56,070 --> 00:59:58,770 soundcloud and he said I demand to know the decision making 943 00:59:58,770 --> 01:00:03,270 process your team member on Took blah, blah, blah. Well, no, I 944 01:00:03,270 --> 01:00:09,000 mean, radio silence again. I, I wonder if there is sort of like 945 01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,570 the route of, you know, the Robin Hood thing where they send 946 01:00:12,570 --> 01:00:16,530 this guy letter and then you commit suicide? I mean, like, I 947 01:00:16,530 --> 01:00:21,060 wonder if there is an issue here, where the radio silence is 948 01:00:21,060 --> 01:00:24,120 a protective measure? Where, okay, so they're gonna, they're 949 01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:30,450 gonna send you a note and say, Okay, you've been banned off off 950 01:00:30,450 --> 01:00:36,450 of our platform? And what if somebody, if that's their entire 951 01:00:36,450 --> 01:00:42,060 income, in response to that they are so decimated by this, that 952 01:00:42,060 --> 01:00:45,480 they just they commit suicide? And then they find out? And then 953 01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:50,760 they find out later? Oh, oh, my bad. We're sorry. It was 954 01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,610 actually somebody else reported you. And that was fault. And now 955 01:00:53,820 --> 01:00:57,330 and what now? We take it back. Sure. When that was an accident. 956 01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,510 It's like, I wonder if there's a liability issue here where 957 01:01:00,510 --> 01:01:04,080 they're afraid that their destruction that they make calls 958 01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:08,640 to people's financial lives and possibly real lives? Could could 959 01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,400 come back on them? If they communicate too much? 960 01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:14,610 No, because they are protected by two things. One is the terms 961 01:01:14,610 --> 01:01:17,460 of service that everybody doesn't read and signed up for, 962 01:01:17,700 --> 01:01:21,240 which completely indemnifies them. And if that's the problem, 963 01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,960 section 230 is right there to literally protect them from 964 01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:30,930 liability from anything. Okay, pick it up. You want to respond? 965 01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:38,370 Oh, well, I mean, that's, that's true. I think that the bigger 966 01:01:38,610 --> 01:01:43,680 the bigger question I have, is how, how this goes down with 967 01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:47,850 regards to individual, individual people's lives and 968 01:01:47,850 --> 01:01:50,130 their decision making? I mean, so you have somebody like 969 01:01:50,130 --> 01:01:55,170 Weinstein, who people have been like, talking to him on Twitter 970 01:01:55,170 --> 01:01:57,360 all the time. Hey, do podcast YouTube wants to do podcast me 971 01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:01,830 2.0. And there just seems to be this resistance. Amongst the hit 972 01:02:01,860 --> 01:02:04,500 out, I don't know if it's just him or other people or whatever. 973 01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:09,030 There's this resistance to, to the concepts? Well, the only 974 01:02:09,030 --> 01:02:11,070 thing it's like, they think it's sort of like the whole Peter 975 01:02:11,070 --> 01:02:14,820 wells thing. If a big company big platform doesn't do it, then 976 01:02:15,030 --> 01:02:18,870 then it's like, doesn't exist or does not legit or don't 977 01:02:18,870 --> 01:02:19,320 understand. 978 01:02:19,350 --> 01:02:22,890 Yes, not legit. It's also people are conditioned to only work 979 01:02:22,890 --> 01:02:27,390 with I mean, this is this is the same with with podcasting, 980 01:02:27,390 --> 01:02:31,710 journalism. What's the talk mainly about how great these 981 01:02:31,770 --> 01:02:34,680 these big companies are, people want feel comfortable with big 982 01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:37,860 companies that that that provides validity to what 983 01:02:37,860 --> 01:02:43,260 they're doing to their product. If you are part of Patreon, you 984 01:02:43,260 --> 01:02:47,370 know, Patreon is a brand by itself to or if you're part of 985 01:02:47,370 --> 01:02:50,490 Spotify, that no your official I mean, this is this is how it 986 01:02:50,490 --> 01:02:53,520 works, or how it's always worked. I think that's what's 987 01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:58,350 changing. I think that is people are starting to move away. He's 988 01:02:58,350 --> 01:03:01,260 like, well, you know who no one wants to be on Twitter. Now 989 01:03:01,260 --> 01:03:06,390 look. So now, the Trump Organization? I think it's with 990 01:03:06,540 --> 01:03:08,970 I'm not sure exactly the story with this app with this 991 01:03:08,970 --> 01:03:12,270 platform, they're launching, get her g TTR. 992 01:03:12,510 --> 01:03:12,810 I think 993 01:03:13,770 --> 01:03:16,530 it's just starting, it's going to be a social network. 994 01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,520 Which is the tries Trump though he's doing it. 995 01:03:20,850 --> 01:03:25,170 Yeah, I was sure he was going to do it. But the strategy right 996 01:03:25,170 --> 01:03:28,020 there, you know, they have an app. Okay, let's see how long 997 01:03:28,020 --> 01:03:32,970 that lasts before it's taken out of the App Store. So it's the 998 01:03:32,970 --> 01:03:36,510 same crap, although and that that is a bigger problem than I 999 01:03:36,510 --> 01:03:44,790 think anyone wants to admit, the App Store. You can show someone 1000 01:03:44,790 --> 01:03:49,350 a great experience, I can send them a link to a pod friend, 1001 01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:53,700 Curio caster or a pod verse web page, because like, that's 1002 01:03:53,700 --> 01:03:57,630 great. Well, why isn't there an app? I need an app, it has to be 1003 01:03:57,630 --> 01:04:00,270 an app. If it's not an app. I mean, it's not real, is it? 1004 01:04:02,580 --> 01:04:03,870 There's a lot of that going on? 1005 01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,350 Well, I think some of that on the apple side of things is 1006 01:04:07,350 --> 01:04:10,770 because Apple has intentionally kneecapped their progressive web 1007 01:04:11,310 --> 01:04:16,800 app technology because they they want to box in the native apps 1008 01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,980 and make them make them the only first class citizens on the on 1009 01:04:19,980 --> 01:04:25,320 the platform. And there's real drawbacks to trying to use a pw 1010 01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,500 a mean, we've, we've seen Martin, just banging his head 1011 01:04:28,500 --> 01:04:31,890 against the wall, you know, the way wailing about the 1012 01:04:31,890 --> 01:04:36,630 shortcomings of the PDB architecture on the iPhone. And 1013 01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:39,660 that's, that's the thing that it's it's real is not going 1014 01:04:39,660 --> 01:04:43,260 to get any better. NACA is only going to get worse. They're 1015 01:04:43,260 --> 01:04:47,010 closing down more stuff there. They have built a completely 1016 01:04:47,010 --> 01:04:53,040 beautiful, safe environment for their users. And pirates, not 1017 01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:57,660 welcome. Especially if you're not paying a toll at the door. 1018 01:04:58,020 --> 01:05:04,350 So I know I know that people are seeing this I know they are 1019 01:05:04,350 --> 01:05:08,070 breaking out of this thinking Bitcoin is so analogous Bitcoin 1020 01:05:08,070 --> 01:05:11,100 is important important part of what we're doing, not just 1021 01:05:11,100 --> 01:05:13,830 because of the payment but the thinking itself like, Oh, we can 1022 01:05:13,830 --> 01:05:18,210 actually use a different form of value to transfer value between 1023 01:05:18,210 --> 01:05:23,850 each other. So mastodon, the fediverse is another version of 1024 01:05:23,850 --> 01:05:27,390 that, is it quote unquote, mainstream? No. Will it ever be 1025 01:05:27,390 --> 01:05:31,950 mainstream? Maybe not? Maybe not. You know, there's still 1026 01:05:31,950 --> 01:05:35,160 always a lot of people who were perfect Look, I've been under 1027 01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:38,310 the radar. No one even knew I'd invented podcasting. Up until 1028 01:05:38,310 --> 01:05:41,520 two years ago, the whole generation grew up thinking this 1029 01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:48,150 was invented by the fine folks at cereal podcast and NPR or 1030 01:05:48,150 --> 01:05:54,090 there was just apple or Steve Jobs or any of this why because 1031 01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:59,310 I have a podcast and an audience while large a million people I 1032 01:05:59,310 --> 01:06:03,300 hate for them to show up at the door all at once. But it's not 1033 01:06:03,300 --> 01:06:07,140 it's not a quote unquote mainstream hit as people would 1034 01:06:07,140 --> 01:06:10,050 expect it but I'm making a living devore x making a living 1035 01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,620 and we're and we're affecting lives we're changing people's 1036 01:06:13,620 --> 01:06:18,240 opinions we're changing our owns it's a very beautiful experience 1037 01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:21,510 but you got to get over the I'm going to be number one I'm going 1038 01:06:21,510 --> 01:06:25,380 to be Joe Rogan is fake Joe Rogan Sophia with an hour the 1039 01:06:25,410 --> 01:06:30,120 call me daddy. These three guys at Amazon. Three dudes. Three 1040 01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:36,330 dudes. In a warehouse. It's fake. Its fake, then it's a it's 1041 01:06:36,330 --> 01:06:40,200 a scam to trick you. To here's where successful people are. 1042 01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:41,460 This is where you want to be. 1043 01:06:42,180 --> 01:06:45,630 Like Caitlin's description is three three wide dude three rich 1044 01:06:45,630 --> 01:06:47,520 white dudes and never heard of that's 1045 01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,870 that pisses me off. He's always like, well, three privilege guy 1046 01:06:52,050 --> 01:06:55,380 wasn't white. It was privileged white men and I despise that 1047 01:06:55,380 --> 01:06:59,100 talk. I heard it. I don't like that. It's like said the 1048 01:06:59,100 --> 01:07:05,040 privileged white man. Like Shut up. He says me off. It is good 1049 01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:10,110 to see communities of color and LGBTQ plus community newsflash 1050 01:07:10,470 --> 01:07:13,260 brown people, black people, they're people. They're not a 1051 01:07:13,260 --> 01:07:17,700 community. lesbians, gay bisexual, transsexual queer 1052 01:07:17,700 --> 01:07:23,910 plus, not a community. That is the true bias. Sorry, 1053 01:07:23,940 --> 01:07:24,780 they're just people. 1054 01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,360 They're just people don't be you and you long people into a 1055 01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,240 category like that. your your your week. 1056 01:07:33,060 --> 01:07:38,400 They did you say the hit. There's a hit piece on Rogen. 1057 01:07:38,430 --> 01:07:39,390 And the New York Times 1058 01:07:39,540 --> 01:07:42,600 I read about it. I haven't I haven't seen it yet. What what? 1059 01:07:43,470 --> 01:07:44,130 What is it? 1060 01:07:44,219 --> 01:07:47,429 I have not. I haven't read through it. 100% yet, either. 1061 01:07:47,429 --> 01:07:50,849 But it's got. I don't know. I don't want to talk about I won't 1062 01:07:50,849 --> 01:07:54,839 talk about it next week. Because it's a long article. And I want 1063 01:07:54,839 --> 01:07:55,679 to be able to talk. 1064 01:07:56,580 --> 01:08:00,510 too big to cancel too big to cancel. Okay, well, I'll have to 1065 01:08:00,510 --> 01:08:02,460 read through it. Because I'm gonna have to send him a note. 1066 01:08:04,890 --> 01:08:09,450 Before you before we do donations Do you want I'm 1067 01:08:09,450 --> 01:08:12,180 supposed to remind you to tell your TBL story. 1068 01:08:14,010 --> 01:08:15,540 The Tim berners Lee story. 1069 01:08:15,870 --> 01:08:18,540 Oh, yeah. Okay. TBL. I didn't know who that what that was 1070 01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:23,070 Tim berners. Lee, the inventor of the World Wide Web. Okay, 1071 01:08:23,100 --> 01:08:25,560 well, I can't remember this came up on the last show. And I 1072 01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:28,530 forgot to tell it but it doesn't make any sense today. But I'm 1073 01:08:28,530 --> 01:08:32,340 happy to happy to relate. So there's no context for this 1074 01:08:32,340 --> 01:08:38,490 other than I was reminded to tell you, Tim berners Lee, who 1075 01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:42,390 was working in the in London in some the camera of exactly what 1076 01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:46,710 his capacity was. But one day I got a letter at and was living 1077 01:08:46,710 --> 01:08:52,650 in London, at my home from the queen. And it was an invitation 1078 01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:57,690 to the relaunch of the royal family website. And would I 1079 01:08:57,690 --> 01:09:01,380 please come to Buckingham Palace to celebrate with the queen and 1080 01:09:01,380 --> 01:09:04,470 Tim berners Lee had invited me Jordan put me on the Queen's 1081 01:09:04,470 --> 01:09:07,890 list. I've never met I'd never met him like met him then of 1082 01:09:07,890 --> 01:09:12,570 course, I'd never met him before. So I was like, Wow, that 1083 01:09:12,570 --> 01:09:15,630 is and I went It was unbelievable. I went through the 1084 01:09:15,630 --> 01:09:19,200 front gates. You know if you ever be have ever been to 1085 01:09:19,260 --> 01:09:22,050 Buckingham Palace, you know, there's a big gate around it and 1086 01:09:22,050 --> 01:09:23,970 then you can ruin people stand in front of it watching the 1087 01:09:23,970 --> 01:09:26,940 changing of the guard. So they picked me up in her Mercedes, 1088 01:09:26,940 --> 01:09:30,390 which I will say is quite a violation of any any code. Now 1089 01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:35,130 that's German. Yes, exactly. Yeah, and they picked me up in 1090 01:09:35,130 --> 01:09:38,460 the in the bands. And they go right right to the front gate, 1091 01:09:38,490 --> 01:09:41,400 you know, people parted ways, you know, and then they open the 1092 01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:47,400 gate. Let me in. And yeah, that's a whole much longer 1093 01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:51,420 story, but it was quite fun to meet the queen who was standing 1094 01:09:51,420 --> 01:09:58,860 on a box. Very, very petite woman. And it was a very surreal 1095 01:09:58,860 --> 01:10:01,800 experience in Buckinghamshire, Which is the portion I was in is 1096 01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:06,300 clearly the reception, you know, where were you? Where you have 1097 01:10:06,300 --> 01:10:09,330 these types of functions, but there were some phenomenal art 1098 01:10:09,330 --> 01:10:12,840 in this waiting hall where we all had to kind of were stage 1099 01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:17,220 for a while. And another clue there was I went to the restroom 1100 01:10:17,220 --> 01:10:21,270 like I'm totally stealing a Buckingham Palace towel or Soper 1101 01:10:21,330 --> 01:10:26,940 nap nailed to the wall dispensers? Yeah. Hey, they know 1102 01:10:26,940 --> 01:10:29,640 what's going on. That was my to do story. 1103 01:10:30,450 --> 01:10:32,700 Yeah, they don't want they don't want to duck in their bathrooms. 1104 01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:38,190 This is a value for value podcast itself. If you wonder if 1105 01:10:38,190 --> 01:10:42,240 these things can actually work. Here's your proof. We were close 1106 01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:46,200 to a year now of podcasting. 2.0. It is supporting podcast 1107 01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:50,880 index.org completely. Now we are not paying ourselves anything. 1108 01:10:51,090 --> 01:10:55,290 But that's not the point of this exercise. The it's supported by 1109 01:10:55,290 --> 01:10:58,260 the people who are interested in it, have a stake in it and who 1110 01:10:58,470 --> 01:11:01,650 just want to support it. And that's why it's value for value 1111 01:11:01,650 --> 01:11:04,500 in this podcast is a part of that as well. And we love 1112 01:11:04,980 --> 01:11:07,710 receiving boosts from you whenever that is whenever that's 1113 01:11:07,710 --> 01:11:11,130 possible boost if you're listening to a to the show on a 1114 01:11:11,130 --> 01:11:15,060 podcast and 2.0 compatible app. If not Shame on you. Go to new 1115 01:11:15,060 --> 01:11:19,470 podcast apps calm. And if you really can't do it any other way 1116 01:11:19,470 --> 01:11:22,530 than we do accept your cookbooks through the PayPal, go to 1117 01:11:22,530 --> 01:11:25,860 podcast index.org. Scroll down to the bottom hit the big red 1118 01:11:25,860 --> 01:11:28,770 donation button and you're good to go. And who can we thank 1119 01:11:28,770 --> 01:11:32,520 today for supporting us for yet another week. 1120 01:11:33,930 --> 01:11:39,900 We have got out of the gate Chris Arnold said $33.33 he says 1121 01:11:39,900 --> 01:11:43,380 go podcast and keep up the good work boys sir seat sitter 1122 01:11:43,619 --> 01:11:44,309 podcast. 1123 01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:55,440 Get two donations both for $21 from top notch tech consulting. 1124 01:11:56,670 --> 01:11:59,700 And I helped him get his podcast set up on value for value. So he 1125 01:11:59,700 --> 01:12:03,090 said he would throw us a donation. Cool. Yeah. And he 1126 01:12:03,090 --> 01:12:08,640 just says history. MB money. Thanks. I'm not sure what that 1127 01:12:08,699 --> 01:12:10,979 what's the what's the amount of means. What's the amount one? 1128 01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:14,400 There's two donations both in the amount of $21. 1129 01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:20,010 So $42 total? Well, 42 is the answer to all things in the 1130 01:12:20,010 --> 01:12:20,640 universe. 1131 01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:28,530 That's it. It worked itself out. Yeah. Okay, so that's top notch. 1132 01:12:28,530 --> 01:12:33,090 And that's all of our weekly donors. And low. 1133 01:12:33,420 --> 01:12:35,790 Oh, that's that's it. That's our final tally. 1134 01:12:36,810 --> 01:12:39,090 That's the way that's the weekly Yeah, I mean, that's the one 1135 01:12:39,090 --> 01:12:40,680 time donors we get some monthly, 1136 01:12:40,740 --> 01:12:43,980 right. And we thank them at the end of the month or the 1137 01:12:43,980 --> 01:12:45,810 beginning of the month. When do we thank them? 1138 01:12:47,070 --> 01:12:49,410 Well, I just do, man. 1139 01:12:49,499 --> 01:12:50,399 Yeah. Oh, wow. 1140 01:12:52,020 --> 01:12:57,240 Sir, hey, moose. $50. Huh? Leslie Martin. $2 drip Scott 1141 01:12:57,300 --> 01:13:04,650 $15. Michael Michael camera are $5.33 Jeff Miller $20 Terry 1142 01:13:04,650 --> 01:13:13,590 Keller $4.11. Pedro gone. calvus $5 Aaron Renaud $5. Mark Graham 1143 01:13:13,590 --> 01:13:20,970 $1 droid works, LLC $20. And Scott Joubert $12 did we do? Did 1144 01:13:20,970 --> 01:13:24,930 we, we figured out who droid works, LLC was one day, I don't 1145 01:13:24,930 --> 01:13:27,330 remember, I forget, every single time, 1146 01:13:27,390 --> 01:13:31,320 I realized there's a critical flaw in nice. I love hearing 1147 01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:35,670 these, these donation amounts, the 411. There's a dot 33. These 1148 01:13:35,670 --> 01:13:39,360 are all code. These are all fun. And they're meaningful to the 1149 01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:41,970 people who send them which is what any donation should be is 1150 01:13:41,970 --> 01:13:48,000 meaningful to you. And we appreciate this very much. The 1151 01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:51,510 problem that or that what we didn't think through completely, 1152 01:13:51,510 --> 01:13:54,270 I think we've probably touched on it with the we didn't think 1153 01:13:54,270 --> 01:14:01,830 anything through That's correct. If someone sends you a boost 1154 01:14:01,830 --> 01:14:08,340 amount, or an amount, stream amount, and you have a value 1155 01:14:08,340 --> 01:14:12,930 split, even, even with the index, and the app that you're 1156 01:14:12,930 --> 01:14:15,690 using, the amount will never come through as an as was 1157 01:14:15,690 --> 01:14:22,440 intended. So you mean, well, so if someone sends 33 satoshis to 1158 01:14:22,440 --> 01:14:26,370 me, like oh, I'm gonna send this podcast 33 satoshis. I will 1159 01:14:26,370 --> 01:14:32,220 maybe receive 17. So I can never trace back to the original was 1160 01:14:32,220 --> 01:14:37,920 the 33. Something for the T o v records we could do maybe? I 1161 01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:38,730 don't think so. 1162 01:14:39,060 --> 01:14:43,080 No, we met Yeah, that's a good point. Like that. That could be 1163 01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:46,590 done in the TLV. You could see like you could put in there what 1164 01:14:46,590 --> 01:14:47,940 the original the original mount 1165 01:14:47,940 --> 01:14:50,730 was. I think that that's something to consider because 1166 01:14:50,850 --> 01:14:55,560 it's such an I mean, look at it. every single week. We have 1167 01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:59,460 donations that are coded messages he was to donations 1168 01:14:59,490 --> 01:15:03,450 together. He's 42, we figured it out, we had a good laugh, it's 1169 01:15:03,450 --> 01:15:07,170 part of the value for value system, the dot 30, threes, all 1170 01:15:07,170 --> 01:15:11,580 of this stuff, the four elevens, the 420s. So that would be 1171 01:15:11,580 --> 01:15:14,970 something that'd be very valuable to have the original 1172 01:15:14,970 --> 01:15:17,430 amount in the TLV record that comes through. 1173 01:15:18,389 --> 01:15:27,239 I'm looking at the Seven, six to 9169 record, which is the one 1174 01:15:27,239 --> 01:15:30,659 that everybody is using, except Sphinx thanks is using a 1175 01:15:30,659 --> 01:15:36,479 different one. And it has in here it has value in in 1176 01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:42,569 milliseconds is one of the fields. So that that means that 1177 01:15:42,569 --> 01:15:45,119 it could be embedded in here, according to the record, that 1178 01:15:45,119 --> 01:15:48,629 will be good. That would be very good. Yeah, yeah, it's got it 1179 01:15:48,629 --> 01:15:53,309 right here. So if we can get everybody to add that to their 1180 01:15:53,339 --> 01:15:58,709 app, that would fix that problem. Let me say, you know 1181 01:15:58,709 --> 01:15:58,949 what, 1182 01:15:59,580 --> 01:16:02,640 I mean, it's not a huge problem. But I'd love to get it kind of 1183 01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:07,350 working. Before things roll out pretty, pretty big. It's 1184 01:16:07,350 --> 01:16:10,020 already, you know, Satoshi streams already using this. And 1185 01:16:10,020 --> 01:16:11,700 they can't calculate it either. I'll bet. 1186 01:16:12,930 --> 01:16:16,950 So Steven, Steven B, who we're gonna have on the show, we just 1187 01:16:17,670 --> 01:16:21,390 have gotten completely out of my out of the guests mindset 1188 01:16:21,390 --> 01:16:26,670 lately. So I got to get back in that. So the Matt, Steven is 1189 01:16:26,670 --> 01:16:32,070 going to set up his tip jar to support putting in a memo says 1190 01:16:32,070 --> 01:16:35,610 you can send, you know, donation in the tip jar. So then we can 1191 01:16:35,610 --> 01:16:39,330 just make sure that his when he sends that, I'll let him know 1192 01:16:39,330 --> 01:16:40,590 that carries carries 1193 01:16:40,590 --> 01:16:45,930 along the original amount. But the tip jar, but the tip jar is 1194 01:16:45,930 --> 01:16:50,070 also split amongst the app. And so the percentage of the error? 1195 01:16:50,940 --> 01:16:55,020 No, no, no, because he splits it out in the tip jar breaks out 1196 01:16:55,020 --> 01:16:58,470 the split. And you can send your tip to one to any one of those 1197 01:16:58,470 --> 01:17:05,670 parties. You can choose like, for for us if it has made me and 1198 01:17:05,670 --> 01:17:07,020 you with each with a fee. No, 1199 01:17:07,050 --> 01:17:11,790 no, I understand. I understand that. But does the app take 1% 1200 01:17:11,790 --> 01:17:14,850 and podcast index take 1% of that payment? Because they're 1201 01:17:14,850 --> 01:17:17,520 using our API, I would venture to say yes. 1202 01:17:17,909 --> 01:17:21,869 No, I don't think so at that point, because at that point, 1203 01:17:22,289 --> 01:17:27,779 it's just a pure key send from the app. It's not, it's not 1204 01:17:27,779 --> 01:17:32,489 doing, it's not doing the fees anymore. It's not doing the 1205 01:17:32,489 --> 01:17:36,539 various splits at that point is just a single key send. There's 1206 01:17:36,539 --> 01:17:41,429 a few tags, if you take it, the boosts get a split. And the per 1207 01:17:41,429 --> 01:17:45,059 minute streaming gets a split. But the tip jar is just 1208 01:17:45,059 --> 01:17:47,039 something that's a function on top of all that, 1209 01:17:47,100 --> 01:17:50,640 right. Okay. Yeah, you can tip the app itself directly from 1210 01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:52,320 there and Yes, okay. Okay. 1211 01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:54,480 Yes. splitter that, 1212 01:17:54,510 --> 01:17:59,340 but nobody does, it's more important. To me. The tip is one 1213 01:17:59,340 --> 01:18:01,860 thing. Because you know, the last thing I want is people 1214 01:18:01,860 --> 01:18:04,050 going straight to the tip jar and just doing their cool 1215 01:18:04,050 --> 01:18:06,780 numbers, and then the app gets nothing. You can't do that. 1216 01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:08,370 That's not cool. 1217 01:18:08,970 --> 01:18:11,580 Well, I don't think that'll happen personally. Because then 1218 01:18:12,030 --> 01:18:15,600 that because the boost is the is the fun part. The boost is where 1219 01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:15,930 you want to 1220 01:18:15,930 --> 01:18:19,560 have the numbers. Yeah. And so that's where you want to have 1221 01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:22,860 the the original amount travel along with the record. But also, 1222 01:18:22,860 --> 01:18:26,040 there's lots of people who do, but the permanent is not that 1223 01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:28,410 big. I mean, it's easy to put it in. It's not that big a deal. 1224 01:18:29,010 --> 01:18:32,160 Yeah. But for boost, I think that would be the main that's 1225 01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:35,100 that's the juicy part to have that. Because that's really 1226 01:18:35,100 --> 01:18:39,030 where people want to send the show something which carries all 1227 01:18:39,030 --> 01:18:39,930 the way down the line. 1228 01:18:40,770 --> 01:18:44,490 Yeah, and if both of them have the original amount listed in 1229 01:18:44,490 --> 01:18:48,480 the TLV, and and then it's fine either way, because you're gonna 1230 01:18:48,480 --> 01:18:51,930 guess See, and then even if you booze as always boosts 2112 1231 01:18:51,930 --> 01:18:57,630 that's my rush boost. And then I know like that, that people can 1232 01:18:57,630 --> 01:19:01,080 tell especially because there's not there's still small. I like 1233 01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:04,710 to know that the podcaster can see that come in and know that 1234 01:19:04,710 --> 01:19:05,400 it was me. 1235 01:19:06,390 --> 01:19:08,910 Right, but I can't see that on any of my shows. 1236 01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:12,210 Yeah, cuz you can't because it takes the fees. The routing. 1237 01:19:12,210 --> 01:19:12,750 Exactly, 1238 01:19:12,870 --> 01:19:13,500 exactly. 1239 01:19:13,890 --> 01:19:14,790 Yeah, we got to fix that. 1240 01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:20,370 So, let me thank everybody once again for supporting the 1241 01:19:20,370 --> 01:19:21,750 project. Especially 1242 01:19:22,170 --> 01:19:26,070 at night. I got a night note to read the Friday night. Go go go, 1243 01:19:26,550 --> 01:19:34,530 Damon. Well, he says you pronounce it. Castle jack. Okay, 1244 01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:39,120 yeah, castle jack. He just wrote in a note for he forgot for his 1245 01:19:39,180 --> 01:19:42,810 last donation last week. And it says animals Radek came over 1246 01:19:42,810 --> 01:19:46,530 from na were a hold the title Night of the leap of the lepus 1247 01:19:47,100 --> 01:19:51,210 Lipa slept LTP us I don't know how you pronounce that. I don't 1248 01:19:51,210 --> 01:19:55,650 know. I just want to thank both of you sincerely for the work 1249 01:19:55,650 --> 01:19:57,420 you're doing. I truly believe you're doing something 1250 01:19:57,420 --> 01:20:00,000 remarkable. It has the potential to affect the world and power 1251 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,050 The way free expression is vital to for us to move forward and 1252 01:20:04,050 --> 01:20:07,320 expand our understanding of the world and ourselves. podcasts 1253 01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:10,410 can also act as time capsules for how the world understands 1254 01:20:10,410 --> 01:20:13,860 the past. I would like future historians to have an honest 1255 01:20:13,860 --> 01:20:16,170 picture of how people spoke about the topics of the day and 1256 01:20:16,170 --> 01:20:19,650 not skewed versions, influenced by powerful brokers about 1257 01:20:19,650 --> 01:20:22,260 people's fear of losing their voices. Good luck to you. And 1258 01:20:22,260 --> 01:20:23,940 thanks, that's regarded as very 1259 01:20:23,940 --> 01:20:27,390 kind of event. And and thank you to everyone who's involved in 1260 01:20:27,390 --> 01:20:32,610 the project. All the developers, all the historians, the 1261 01:20:32,610 --> 01:20:37,890 journalists, the thinkers, the testers, the fans, everyone has 1262 01:20:37,890 --> 01:20:40,290 a role to play, and it's all working beautifully. 1263 01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:46,620 And I thought people might want to see our hosting bill. Yes. 1264 01:20:47,070 --> 01:20:50,970 Our our hosting bill this month with $423.86. 1265 01:20:51,030 --> 01:20:53,550 Still some 500. Dave, that's fantastic. 1266 01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:57,810 Yeah, we're still doing good on that. We've got quite a few or 1267 01:20:57,810 --> 01:21:00,870 it went up, it was around 350 for a while. And it went up 1268 01:21:00,870 --> 01:21:06,210 because I had to boost the capacity on or bump up the VM 1269 01:21:06,210 --> 01:21:14,310 size more crystals. Yes, yes, exactly. 2.4 gigawatts of power 1270 01:21:14,310 --> 01:21:18,960 on the on the nodes. So we got the big ones, the database 1271 01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:23,460 server, and then we got a bunch of $20 month aggregator nodes. 1272 01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:28,320 And we got a couple of dedicated VMs that are $30 a month for the 1273 01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:33,690 front end. Anyway, that's the way that rolls out. $423.86. All 1274 01:21:33,690 --> 01:21:36,120 right, well, thank you all, now you know exactly where it went. 1275 01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:41,340 And we also opened up a sizable channel, which we didn't really 1276 01:21:41,340 --> 01:21:45,360 spend the money spent a little bit to open it with lm pay, 1277 01:21:45,390 --> 01:21:49,200 we appreciate that. That was That was really good. Because 1278 01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:55,320 that saves everybody fees, and hops. And podcasts index is is 1279 01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:58,890 routing, I think feliss I have to run through the channels 1280 01:21:58,890 --> 01:22:02,730 every single time. Some of that still kind of wonky. It's like I 1281 01:22:02,730 --> 01:22:06,660 think autopilot may close and open things and they set set a 1282 01:22:06,660 --> 01:22:11,250 default fee. So but we try to keep that at zero for but it's 1283 01:22:11,250 --> 01:22:15,390 kind of a cat and mouse game because you set it low. And then 1284 01:22:15,390 --> 01:22:19,560 what happens invariably is someone uses your route to send 1285 01:22:19,590 --> 01:22:23,400 a million satoshis to some external source and it runs 1286 01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:27,120 through us and then we have a liquidity problem. So it's kind 1287 01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:30,090 of a given take, got to figure it out. We might do a private 1288 01:22:30,090 --> 01:22:35,430 channel with them just to just to to stop that. 1289 01:22:36,090 --> 01:22:37,710 Should we turn off autopilot? 1290 01:22:39,870 --> 01:22:43,440 I'm not so sure I'm you know, the new heuristics of it are 1291 01:22:43,500 --> 01:22:48,690 apparently really good. But um, I does really good mean good for 1292 01:22:48,690 --> 01:22:50,460 micro payments. Not so sure. 1293 01:22:51,030 --> 01:22:53,070 So but that's not question two, 1294 01:22:53,220 --> 01:22:56,580 what's kind of not broken right now. So I'm, I'm very careful 1295 01:22:56,580 --> 01:22:57,750 with changes like this. 1296 01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:00,930 But and the reason I asked is because every time every now and 1297 01:23:00,930 --> 01:23:04,320 then I see channels open and close, and then I see the hit 1298 01:23:04,830 --> 01:23:08,220 that it has when when you have that on chain transaction fee. 1299 01:23:09,420 --> 01:23:12,060 And then I'm like, Well, did we really need that channel, I 1300 01:23:12,060 --> 01:23:16,200 don't know, I'm closing channels that we don't need, replacing 1301 01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:18,990 ones that are too small with bigger ones than closing the 1302 01:23:18,990 --> 01:23:23,700 original ones. But also learning to rebalance. And people running 1303 01:23:23,700 --> 01:23:26,340 their own nodes need to learn this as well. We all need to 1304 01:23:26,340 --> 01:23:29,250 learn how it works. But I think it comes back to what we said 1305 01:23:29,250 --> 01:23:35,100 earlier, the lightning network was not really launched with 1306 01:23:35,100 --> 01:23:37,890 true Mike or maybe even architected to a degree with 1307 01:23:37,890 --> 01:23:42,180 true micro payments in mind. It works really well. But micro 1308 01:23:42,180 --> 01:23:46,560 payments are, you know, one Satoshi. It's almost like 1309 01:23:47,100 --> 01:23:49,620 everyone was saying, well, your refrigerator can order your milk 1310 01:23:49,620 --> 01:23:52,920 one day. And so here we have the refrigerator ordering the milk. 1311 01:23:52,950 --> 01:23:55,380 It costs one Satoshi that was always well, you can just send 1312 01:23:55,380 --> 01:23:58,800 one set one Satoshi. I know you can't that can cost you seven 1313 01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:02,940 sets just to send that one. Satoshi. Yeah, right. So you 1314 01:24:02,940 --> 01:24:05,790 know, and that kind of goes against the whole idea of this. 1315 01:24:06,330 --> 01:24:12,360 This network that is you know, ad hoc, by its very nature and 1316 01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:15,210 kind of forces us towards Okay, we're building our own little 1317 01:24:15,210 --> 01:24:17,520 private network. And it's going to have to be private at some 1318 01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:21,540 point, ie the channels cannot be discoverable by other routes, 1319 01:24:21,540 --> 01:24:25,440 because they capture our routes and use them which is fair, but 1320 01:24:25,440 --> 01:24:28,950 then we we struggle with liquidity. And we've been doing 1321 01:24:28,950 --> 01:24:32,550 it for free for them. And I'm sure there's all kinds of 1322 01:24:32,550 --> 01:24:37,770 configurations and stuff to do. But it's you know, early days, 1323 01:24:38,490 --> 01:24:42,360 can you have certain channels that have deterred loafie it Can 1324 01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:46,620 you can you set the routing fee per channel? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. 1325 01:24:47,460 --> 01:24:51,270 Because we, I mean, we could have higher routing fees on 1326 01:24:51,300 --> 01:24:53,910 channel, you know, on the other channels and then have lower 1327 01:24:53,910 --> 01:24:56,160 ones on just designated ones. No, 1328 01:24:56,160 --> 01:25:01,950 but the problem is if it's discoverable, It's not a direct 1329 01:25:01,950 --> 01:25:04,740 peer to peer or we know it's only coming from one source, 1330 01:25:04,770 --> 01:25:08,010 it's on the graph. And then if someone needs to get the LM pay 1331 01:25:08,010 --> 01:25:13,050 and send 20,000, satoshis, or 200,000, or 2 million, it comes 1332 01:25:13,050 --> 01:25:15,900 through us through us. And then we take no fee, and then we lose 1333 01:25:15,900 --> 01:25:18,660 our liquidity, which is exactly the opposite of how it's 1334 01:25:18,660 --> 01:25:19,650 supposed to work. 1335 01:25:20,550 --> 01:25:22,770 Right? Yeah. So that's why you're talking about a private 1336 01:25:22,770 --> 01:25:23,940 channel that Yeah, yeah. 1337 01:25:23,970 --> 01:25:27,000 If it's private, then it's not on the graph, and it won't be 1338 01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:29,250 used, or at least that's what I understand. 1339 01:25:30,270 --> 01:25:31,230 Yeah, that makes sense. 1340 01:25:31,230 --> 01:25:34,380 Now, speaking of that, let's just be, let's be open about 1341 01:25:34,380 --> 01:25:36,990 something here. It's time to talk about Sphinx chat, because 1342 01:25:36,990 --> 01:25:40,170 we're having trouble. And I want to make sure that, you know, 1343 01:25:40,170 --> 01:25:43,680 we're not just letting this pass by, that everyone understands 1344 01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:46,770 that Sphinx chat is not really functioning for most people 1345 01:25:46,770 --> 01:25:50,490 right now. And there's been a lot of outreach. I'm not quite 1346 01:25:50,490 --> 01:25:53,850 sure what's going on. But we're the ones getting a lot of the 1347 01:25:53,850 --> 01:25:56,670 feedback. And you know, I've been passing on trying to reach 1348 01:25:56,670 --> 01:25:59,790 out I know, a couple other people have, I'm not sure what's 1349 01:25:59,790 --> 01:26:04,170 happening. But it doesn't seem like and it is springs, Chad 1350 01:26:04,170 --> 01:26:06,690 itself was kind of the nonprofit, let's do good for the 1351 01:26:06,690 --> 01:26:10,440 world of a company that does other things with that app and 1352 01:26:10,440 --> 01:26:13,410 with with the lightning network, which stack works. 1353 01:26:13,770 --> 01:26:14,880 Yep, stack working, 1354 01:26:14,999 --> 01:26:19,139 stack work. And, and, and they do phenomenal, phenomenal, very 1355 01:26:19,139 --> 01:26:22,679 interesting stuff they're doing. But it's a small organization. I 1356 01:26:22,679 --> 01:26:25,919 think they've kind of, you know, left us to our own devices for a 1357 01:26:25,919 --> 01:26:29,909 while or I don't know, it seems like things are clogging up. 1358 01:26:31,980 --> 01:26:36,660 Yeah, they they're that model they have of running a whole lot 1359 01:26:36,660 --> 01:26:40,500 of private nodes and having that route through a single number 1360 01:26:40,500 --> 01:26:40,950 routing 1361 01:26:40,950 --> 01:26:46,470 rate for micro payments for high volume, low or high quantity, 1362 01:26:46,470 --> 01:26:49,590 low value micro payments. You're right. I don't think that works 1363 01:26:49,590 --> 01:26:50,130 very well. 1364 01:26:50,790 --> 01:26:53,790 Yeah, everybody we've talked to said that that's this. That's a 1365 01:26:53,790 --> 01:26:59,100 hard. That's a hard model to use for this type of thing. And they 1366 01:26:59,100 --> 01:27:05,580 seem to be have their focus in other places. Yeah, right now, 1367 01:27:05,580 --> 01:27:07,770 because we just hadn't heard anything from Paul or Evan or 1368 01:27:07,770 --> 01:27:12,690 anybody in a long time. So I'm not I'm not sure that I know. 1369 01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:15,690 named Jennifer, who was having a lot of problems with the app the 1370 01:27:15,690 --> 01:27:18,540 other day, James, cradling has had problems with the app. I 1371 01:27:18,690 --> 01:27:22,950 asked us. I mean, I get maybe three boosts that show up per 1372 01:27:22,950 --> 01:27:25,110 tribe, and almost no messages. 1373 01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:30,930 Yeah. But you're no agenda. Feed, like the podcast doesn't 1374 01:27:30,930 --> 01:27:32,730 even show up in the tribe for me anymore. 1375 01:27:32,850 --> 01:27:35,250 Really? Oh, it shows it shows up for me. 1376 01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:38,580 It shows up for a lot of people, but I don't see it on my app at 1377 01:27:38,580 --> 01:27:41,340 all. It never pops up. The other ones work. But not the no 1378 01:27:41,340 --> 01:27:42,330 agenda. One doesn't work. 1379 01:27:42,930 --> 01:27:46,380 Yeah. So maybe maybe you're in the wrong and maybe you're in 1380 01:27:46,380 --> 01:27:49,350 the wrong tribe. Maybe there's a secondary tribe? Who knows? 1381 01:27:49,890 --> 01:27:52,680 Yeah, I don't know. It's the right tribe. But it's just I 1382 01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:56,850 think the app is just flat is just flaky a little bit. I don't 1383 01:27:56,850 --> 01:28:00,150 know. I mean, it's, it's, it's hard to know what's going on 1384 01:28:00,390 --> 01:28:01,020 over there. 1385 01:28:01,950 --> 01:28:05,250 Well, it being an open source product, the clone has been 1386 01:28:05,250 --> 01:28:10,290 made. And we need to talk about this as well into n two, which 1387 01:28:10,290 --> 01:28:14,880 is run by a guy who I think he had one of the if not the 1388 01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:21,210 largest Instagram influencer talent agency. And he cashed out 1389 01:28:21,210 --> 01:28:24,570 of that. And he moved to Austin, and he really believes in the 1390 01:28:24,570 --> 01:28:31,380 Bitcoin dream. Or vision, I should say. And so he's cloned 1391 01:28:31,380 --> 01:28:34,740 Sphinx, and he's spending his own money on it, or he's raising 1392 01:28:34,740 --> 01:28:39,690 money. And he's out talking a lot. And we saw him at a Bitcoin 1393 01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:45,840 2021. But, um, it seems to be kind of I mean, it's real. I 1394 01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:48,570 know that there's an app, I haven't been able to download it 1395 01:28:48,570 --> 01:28:53,370 or test it. He's making a lot of noise in the market. And he may 1396 01:28:53,370 --> 01:28:57,270 be bringing onboarding people, but I'm not sure exactly if it's 1397 01:28:57,270 --> 01:28:58,080 working yet. 1398 01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:03,990 Well, you know, he brought on as JP Sears. Yeah, I think I think 1399 01:29:03,990 --> 01:29:06,750 that's, I think that's one of his because the routing node 1400 01:29:06,750 --> 01:29:10,440 appears to be an into into node that Rex to him. Right? 1401 01:29:10,470 --> 01:29:14,310 Well, JPS podcasts showed up with the value blocks, and we 1402 01:29:14,310 --> 01:29:15,210 know that that's real. 1403 01:29:15,810 --> 01:29:19,890 Yeah. And the problem is that, that we couldn't figure out was 1404 01:29:19,890 --> 01:29:24,780 that it only shows $24 of capacity. on that, on that on 1405 01:29:24,780 --> 01:29:29,070 that channel. And so um, I just don't understand exactly what's 1406 01:29:29,070 --> 01:29:32,040 happening there. Because that would mean that the jaypee can't 1407 01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:33,540 get any more than $24 1408 01:29:34,650 --> 01:29:36,090 Yeah, that doesn't sound great. 1409 01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:41,760 Yes, I'm not I'm just not sure what's happening. With Yeah, and 1410 01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:45,450 it's a mystery. And if it's things that stroke if things 1411 01:29:45,450 --> 01:29:50,280 have struggled with that routing node model, then then into into 1412 01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:54,000 may struggle as well. Yeah. But that there again, and then I 1413 01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:56,880 don't know that this was all just sort of opaque. I don't 1414 01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,340 know they may have figured out some other way to do it. Well, 1415 01:29:59,370 --> 01:30:02,880 that we don't have to Stan knows, I don't know, 1416 01:30:03,390 --> 01:30:05,760 just making sure we update everybody on that. 1417 01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:12,030 Yeah. I mean, if you, I've been telling people that are wanting 1418 01:30:12,030 --> 01:30:18,540 to onboard. Unless you, unless you really want the tribe model 1419 01:30:18,540 --> 01:30:21,780 where you have all the chat and everything in there. If you want 1420 01:30:21,780 --> 01:30:26,610 that, then yet look at the Sphinx style app. Yeah, if you 1421 01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:28,830 but if you don't, I mean, if what you care about is just 1422 01:30:28,830 --> 01:30:31,770 getting the value for value payments, it's probably better 1423 01:30:31,770 --> 01:30:37,170 to go to Elon pay. Yeah. Because you're not because it people 1424 01:30:37,170 --> 01:30:39,420 have struggled so much with things at least, you know, for 1425 01:30:39,420 --> 01:30:42,270 the moment. So that's, that's then 1426 01:30:42,990 --> 01:30:48,150 seven pay.co. And you can sign up for free and create a podcast 1427 01:30:48,150 --> 01:30:52,590 or wallet, even says podcast or watch a podcast wallet, and it 1428 01:30:52,590 --> 01:30:57,180 gives you the code to either paste directly into your feed or 1429 01:30:57,420 --> 01:31:01,080 your ID that you can then use at podcaster wallet.com. 1430 01:31:01,860 --> 01:31:05,550 Yeah. Now, ideally, I mean, if you have that, if you have a 1431 01:31:05,670 --> 01:31:09,660 podcast that not monetized currently, or a podcast that 1432 01:31:09,660 --> 01:31:13,140 has, you are monetized, but you're not, you don't get much, 1433 01:31:13,170 --> 01:31:16,680 you know, 250 dollars a month, I'm like that some some small 1434 01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:20,850 amount, Dale and pay thing is a good way to go. So you can get 1435 01:31:20,850 --> 01:31:24,150 your feet wet, he could play with it. The now if you if you 1436 01:31:24,150 --> 01:31:27,390 have a larger podcast that's monetized as well monetized and 1437 01:31:27,390 --> 01:31:32,010 you're making significant money off of it, I would probably just 1438 01:31:32,010 --> 01:31:35,670 go ahead and roll your own node. Because that really does give 1439 01:31:35,670 --> 01:31:40,410 you the most freedom. It's not free. But you can do we know 1440 01:31:40,410 --> 01:31:44,340 basically what Dave Jackson did roll his own voltage node. And 1441 01:31:44,340 --> 01:31:46,440 then it takes a little bit longer. It's a little bit more 1442 01:31:46,440 --> 01:31:51,150 complex, but but you can get help. And then you're set, then 1443 01:31:51,150 --> 01:31:57,540 you, john GG set up that way. There's lots of people who they, 1444 01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:01,290 they are monetizing in, they get into getting significant income 1445 01:32:01,290 --> 01:32:04,230 from their podcast. And when you're in that scenario, it 1446 01:32:04,230 --> 01:32:07,710 really, you don't probably want to rely on a custodial solution, 1447 01:32:07,710 --> 01:32:10,980 you want to really probably do your own thing. Yeah. And have a 1448 01:32:10,980 --> 01:32:11,760 private node, 1449 01:32:12,390 --> 01:32:16,890 then and if you're a hobbyist and you'd like doing that kind 1450 01:32:16,890 --> 01:32:22,980 of stuff, then by all means, get umbral or raspy Blitz. I 1451 01:32:22,980 --> 01:32:26,190 personally like the next level is a voltage node that you 1452 01:32:26,190 --> 01:32:29,880 manage entirely yourself, but then they have an option for 1453 01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:34,740 wasn't 17 bucks a month. And they give you two. I think it's 1454 01:32:34,770 --> 01:32:39,450 2 million satoshis of liquidity right off the bat. So those 1455 01:32:39,450 --> 01:32:42,570 channels are managed, it typically works out of the box. 1456 01:32:43,110 --> 01:32:43,920 Not always. 1457 01:32:44,700 --> 01:32:47,760 the only the only thing that's slow is what days ran in Dave 1458 01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:50,220 Jackson ran into which right wasn't showing up on the graph 1459 01:32:50,250 --> 01:32:51,060 for a while. Yeah, 1460 01:32:51,270 --> 01:32:51,840 yeah, right. 1461 01:32:51,870 --> 01:32:54,750 That's just luck of the draw, though. It seems that's just one 1462 01:32:54,750 --> 01:32:57,690 of those. Okay, it happens type deals, which is odd. 1463 01:32:58,140 --> 01:33:01,260 Yeah. Seems to be. Um, 1464 01:33:01,980 --> 01:33:05,160 okay. I feel like we've missed a lot of things that we missed off 1465 01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:06,420 that we need to talk about today. 1466 01:33:06,990 --> 01:33:10,290 A ton of stuff about a ton of namespace stuff, but we're just 1467 01:33:10,290 --> 01:33:13,290 kind of go along. I mean, I guess we'll shut the boot at the 1468 01:33:13,290 --> 01:33:15,150 next week. You should Well, if you want to 1469 01:33:15,150 --> 01:33:19,350 do some namespace tease you want to be a namespace teaser? Or do 1470 01:33:19,350 --> 01:33:19,560 you? 1471 01:33:20,850 --> 01:33:23,430 See this week was a week where I did a whole lot of stuff. And I 1472 01:33:23,430 --> 01:33:24,930 feel like I don't have anything to show for it. 1473 01:33:24,959 --> 01:33:27,359 Okay. All right. Well, we can we can we can carry it over until 1474 01:33:27,359 --> 01:33:27,929 next week. 1475 01:33:28,230 --> 01:33:35,460 Well, the good stuff. Yeah, this is. Who is it? Alex wrote the 1476 01:33:35,460 --> 01:33:42,000 medium podcast medium tag? What is what is doing next week. Now 1477 01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:44,550 I remember what I want. I just one thing I wanted to mention. 1478 01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:50,250 Okay. So we were talking about using matrix server for cross 1479 01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:54,180 app communication. And there's I want to make very clear what I 1480 01:33:54,180 --> 01:33:58,620 see going on. I think there's a win for podcast apps, if we can 1481 01:33:58,620 --> 01:34:05,400 do YouTube style, comments, that work cross app. And the reason 1482 01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:09,450 why is that works. That's what people have been using. It was 1483 01:34:09,450 --> 01:34:12,450 very successful for Rogan's community it was very much 1484 01:34:12,450 --> 01:34:17,460 missed when that went away. It is a very specific style of 1485 01:34:17,460 --> 01:34:23,010 chat. Everyone can see it. There's prior art there. That I 1486 01:34:23,010 --> 01:34:27,150 still, you know, we talked about the matrix server and you know, 1487 01:34:27,150 --> 01:34:31,050 everyone has their own their own agenda. But right now we have 1488 01:34:31,050 --> 01:34:37,200 two camps cross talking and I think it's confusing on podcast 1489 01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:41,490 index dot social. So on one hand, I think Alex gates wants 1490 01:34:41,490 --> 01:34:48,900 chat. And so he's focusing on live chat where other where what 1491 01:34:48,900 --> 01:34:53,370 I'm personally interested in his comments. And so now there's a 1492 01:34:53,370 --> 01:34:57,360 disconnect. People are I can see the the the conversation Well, I 1493 01:34:57,360 --> 01:34:59,700 thought we're gonna use matrix for for comments. No, that 1494 01:34:59,700 --> 01:35:03,600 should be mastodon x MPP for chat. I think I just made it 1495 01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:08,220 worse last time, whatever I did. We went nowhere. There's just a 1496 01:35:08,220 --> 01:35:13,920 lot of talk. And I personally, I would just say it would be great 1497 01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:19,830 if we could have YouTube style comments. What is debilitating? 1498 01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:24,450 Is all of these what ifs that we throw up? Well, what if a 1499 01:35:24,450 --> 01:35:28,500 podcaster doesn't want comments? You know, these are things that 1500 01:35:28,500 --> 01:35:35,430 will that have held podcasting back for a decade. You got to 1501 01:35:35,430 --> 01:35:38,370 start somewhere, someone's got to grab something, implement 1502 01:35:38,370 --> 01:35:42,900 something, just do something. History shows that when one 1503 01:35:42,900 --> 01:35:46,200 developer does something, other ones go, oh, how about this 1504 01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:49,350 change? Whatever I'll implement, I'll integrate, maybe do it this 1505 01:35:49,350 --> 01:35:52,290 way. And then things happen. Right now. It's just a lot of 1506 01:35:52,290 --> 01:35:56,700 talk and 00 action, because I think I've personally confused 1507 01:35:56,700 --> 01:36:02,400 it. So I'm rectifying that. But no matter what it is, if it's 1508 01:36:02,430 --> 01:36:05,640 chat, you know, if it's chat or comments, whatever anyone wants 1509 01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:10,980 to do, let's do it. Because now we're just arguing about why it 1510 01:36:10,980 --> 01:36:13,950 won't work for certain people. I don't understand that. 1511 01:36:16,020 --> 01:36:22,050 So there's two, the two things are chat, live chat in the in 1512 01:36:22,050 --> 01:36:28,320 this episode. And we're thinking about that in terms of matrix. 1513 01:36:29,640 --> 01:36:32,820 And then comments and reviews. 1514 01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:39,540 I would not put those together. Really? Okay. No, no, because it 1515 01:36:39,540 --> 01:36:44,400 will never get it done. is to separate huge problems, 1516 01:36:44,460 --> 01:36:48,720 comments, huge problem reviews, even huge problem. 1517 01:36:49,470 --> 01:36:54,240 But what are you commenting on that episode that episode? But 1518 01:36:54,270 --> 01:36:58,230 that's a comment. Yeah, so a comment, but But where does? 1519 01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:01,470 Where does that comment? Where does it exist? I mean, like, 1520 01:37:01,470 --> 01:37:05,070 what, cuz I can see live chat within that. No, live chat. 1521 01:37:05,340 --> 01:37:08,910 Let's go back to YouTube, you go to a YouTube video. Right? You 1522 01:37:08,910 --> 01:37:11,010 scroll down. And there's comments. 1523 01:37:12,570 --> 01:37:16,440 Oh, that's in the comments live forever. 1524 01:37:16,470 --> 01:37:20,010 And their thread is there. Oh, yeah. And there's threaded and 1525 01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:24,390 and i the chat ID is fantastic. But the market is not asking for 1526 01:37:24,390 --> 01:37:29,580 that. The market is saying we want comments under and this has 1527 01:37:29,580 --> 01:37:34,680 been wanted forever on podcasts. We want to want to have YouTube 1528 01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:38,880 style threaded comments on an episode of any podcast. 1529 01:37:39,480 --> 01:37:42,780 So you're so you're saying the live chat aspect of that is is 1530 01:37:44,070 --> 01:37:45,330 forget it for no i'm 1531 01:37:45,330 --> 01:37:48,210 not saying Forget it. But I'm saying for now and they so we do 1532 01:37:48,210 --> 01:37:52,410 alive. We have an IRC chat for no agenda. And with each show, 1533 01:37:52,410 --> 01:37:55,050 which we've been doing for 14 years, over a million people 1534 01:37:55,050 --> 01:38:00,300 listening is 1000 people in the chat. And it's it's fun. And 1535 01:38:00,300 --> 01:38:04,950 it's it's a it's cute. There's a lot of shenanigans that goes on. 1536 01:38:06,480 --> 01:38:11,580 A lot of unfriendly things being said, but that's the it's art. 1537 01:38:11,610 --> 01:38:15,270 It's not even our chat is void zeros. But you know, that's 1538 01:38:15,270 --> 01:38:18,210 pretty much permissible. But what you're gonna get next is 1539 01:38:18,210 --> 01:38:20,490 you can have, okay, we have a lot and this will happen with 1540 01:38:20,490 --> 01:38:23,700 anything, but I think it's easier to do comments, because 1541 01:38:23,700 --> 01:38:26,460 when you get to a live chat, you need moderators, and then the 1542 01:38:26,460 --> 01:38:29,460 moderators become Nazis and then the people become pissed off 1543 01:38:29,460 --> 01:38:32,520 about the Nazis. And need moderators for comments too. 1544 01:38:32,790 --> 01:38:35,700 Different than live chat, live chat, you got to be kicking 1545 01:38:35,700 --> 01:38:38,850 people or not either you don't do it. And you live with 1546 01:38:38,850 --> 01:38:44,670 whatever comes through. I have I have a long time experience with 1547 01:38:44,670 --> 01:38:50,880 live chat. And, and it's go look at the difference between a free 1548 01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:54,420 for all nobody cares, you might get hurt, your knee might be 1549 01:38:54,420 --> 01:39:00,480 skinned chat at no agenda versus twit. twit you breathe wrong and 1550 01:39:00,480 --> 01:39:01,230 you're kicked out. 1551 01:39:07,350 --> 01:39:10,980 The problem with comments that I'm that I've that I struggle 1552 01:39:10,980 --> 01:39:15,210 with is it'd be the technology you can put it together. That 1553 01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:19,980 who hosts this is this is the shipwreck that all the apps keep 1554 01:39:19,980 --> 01:39:24,810 having to have developers who's going to host the comments by 1555 01:39:24,810 --> 01:39:29,400 where? Okay, so if you're if your pod friend, do you run a 1556 01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:32,910 car? Do you run an activity both server, B, C and D c? 1557 01:39:32,940 --> 01:39:37,440 I thought that the matrix was perfect for chat me for 1558 01:39:37,440 --> 01:39:42,660 comments. I screwed up myself. I mean, well, I see. I don't know 1559 01:39:42,660 --> 01:39:45,420 how it works under the hood. I'm just looking at the experience 1560 01:39:46,410 --> 01:39:47,730 in a very much 1561 01:39:47,940 --> 01:39:55,320 more like jabber it's it's not really like a Twitter style, 1562 01:39:55,830 --> 01:39:58,560 mastodon style comment, but I'm not 1563 01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:02,910 asking for that. I'm asking for An exact replication this and 1564 01:40:02,910 --> 01:40:08,610 this. I am the users who I get a lot of feedback from. They want 1565 01:40:08,610 --> 01:40:10,710 YouTube style comments. 1566 01:40:11,700 --> 01:40:14,970 Right with, we're saying the same thing. I'm just using bad 1567 01:40:14,970 --> 01:40:20,130 examples. So the YouTube style comments would have to come 1568 01:40:20,130 --> 01:40:23,640 through some sort of federated activity pub type. Yes. 1569 01:40:23,670 --> 01:40:27,840 interface. Yes. You could probably do that with matrix 1570 01:40:27,870 --> 01:40:29,340 ages to be a whole lot harder. 1571 01:40:30,030 --> 01:40:34,350 We want it to be easy, right? I don't know, the reason why we 1572 01:40:34,770 --> 01:40:38,880 maybe this was my missing interpretation. I thought Brees, 1573 01:40:38,910 --> 01:40:42,120 what Roy said they were going to use matrix. I thought they were 1574 01:40:42,120 --> 01:40:47,010 doing it for comments. If it's for chat, all I'm saying is I've 1575 01:40:47,010 --> 01:40:51,600 been around for a while people want comments right now, chat is 1576 01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:55,320 not top of the list is top of the list for some people, and I 1577 01:40:55,320 --> 01:40:58,980 would love to have it myself. But it's not. It's not the wind 1578 01:40:58,980 --> 01:41:00,660 for podcasting. 2.0 1579 01:41:01,230 --> 01:41:04,590 right. But then I get but there again, my question, though, is 1580 01:41:04,740 --> 01:41:08,460 who hosts the server that contains the comment, dude, 1581 01:41:08,490 --> 01:41:10,770 I'm the face of the organization, you've got to 1582 01:41:10,770 --> 01:41:17,400 figure it out, Dave. I don't want to. I don't like this. I'm 1583 01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:21,000 just dreaming, baby. I just, I just throw it over my shoulders 1584 01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:22,800 and embarks on someone makes it happen. 1585 01:41:24,390 --> 01:41:28,890 Because, like, if I'm Curio caster, I would love to have 1586 01:41:28,890 --> 01:41:31,710 comments. But I would not love to have to moderate those 1587 01:41:31,710 --> 01:41:35,700 comments. And if they're running on if, if we if they're 1588 01:41:35,700 --> 01:41:41,040 federated. And now I have people using pod friend app that are 1589 01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:44,910 now commenting on things to get federated over to my activity 1590 01:41:44,910 --> 01:41:48,990 pub comment instance. Then I got to be responsible for taking 1591 01:41:48,990 --> 01:41:52,350 care of that crap to like, that's, to me, that's the 1592 01:41:52,350 --> 01:41:58,230 drawback is it like the tech is there. But the drawback is, is 1593 01:41:58,500 --> 01:42:01,080 the workload that it puts on you 1594 01:42:01,080 --> 01:42:06,660 as the app developer? So that's completely wrong. That is not 1595 01:42:06,660 --> 01:42:10,920 where it belongs. The podcaster needs to be responsible for 1596 01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:14,910 that. Yes, how that works. I don't know if that means look, 1597 01:42:14,910 --> 01:42:18,810 we're already podcasters have to get a podcast host podcasters 1598 01:42:18,810 --> 01:42:23,130 have to get that gear to do that sound like Todd, Todd from 1599 01:42:23,130 --> 01:42:26,370 blueberry. Now, pod podcasters have to get gear, podcasts have 1600 01:42:26,370 --> 01:42:29,490 do all kinds of things. Now you need to get a wallet. Everybody 1601 01:42:29,490 --> 01:42:33,060 wants to shit for free. That's not always going to work. So 1602 01:42:33,090 --> 01:42:37,110 what do podcasters need to what do I as a podcaster need to get 1603 01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:42,690 to get comments cross app? On my podcast? I will moderate them. 1604 01:42:42,780 --> 01:42:43,920 I'm happy to do that. 1605 01:42:44,670 --> 01:42:48,660 Well, what if? What if blueberry provides the activity pub 1606 01:42:48,660 --> 01:42:51,510 instance for all their customers podcast? 1607 01:42:51,780 --> 01:42:55,140 As long as each individual podcaster can moderate their own 1608 01:42:55,140 --> 01:42:59,460 comments and respond? are responsible for them? That's, 1609 01:42:59,700 --> 01:43:03,630 that's equally as important. But again, here we're doing what if? 1610 01:43:03,630 --> 01:43:07,890 What if? What if? What if, show me an instance of it working? 1611 01:43:07,950 --> 01:43:10,680 And then we can find out who's responsible? Or how it will or 1612 01:43:10,680 --> 01:43:12,930 will not work? We don't really even know without trying? 1613 01:43:13,260 --> 01:43:17,190 Well, I can tell you exactly why I can tell you what the why the 1614 01:43:17,190 --> 01:43:21,240 what is and exactly what the holdup is here. Because nothing 1615 01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:25,950 like this exists. And in order to get a working activity pub 1616 01:43:26,190 --> 01:43:30,900 system that will do that death a lot of from scratch code. And 1617 01:43:30,900 --> 01:43:35,040 that could be six months of coding. Wow. And if you don't, 1618 01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:40,320 you don't nobody wants to commit to it. Until you until you have 1619 01:43:40,350 --> 01:43:43,860 all of the pitfalls worked out ahead of time because you don't 1620 01:43:43,860 --> 01:43:46,020 want to get three months into it and realize oh, 1621 01:43:46,650 --> 01:43:48,360 of course of course. Fair enough. 1622 01:43:48,870 --> 01:43:52,170 Yeah, that that's why there's such trepidation on this and 1623 01:43:52,200 --> 01:43:57,480 because you can say, you know, you roll out a podcast tag and 1624 01:43:57,480 --> 01:44:00,630 then somebody can spend a couple of weeks to 1625 01:44:01,380 --> 01:44:03,450 let me just try something Let me try something completely 1626 01:44:03,450 --> 01:44:07,440 arbitrary. Okay. And I will be implementing these tags on my 1627 01:44:07,440 --> 01:44:08,910 cast upon very soon. 1628 01:44:09,900 --> 01:44:14,520 Yes. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna comment on that could 1629 01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:16,470 you speak French yet? 1630 01:44:20,460 --> 01:44:24,270 You know, Jim appelle Dave, 1631 01:44:25,050 --> 01:44:34,140 zit Allah How about this if I if there were a way to integrate it 1632 01:44:34,140 --> 01:44:38,400 so very much like an external chapter file cloud chapters 1633 01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:43,020 which guess what takes a server takes effort takes you know I'm 1634 01:44:43,020 --> 01:44:45,900 using right now a free server speed would be happy to pay for 1635 01:44:45,900 --> 01:44:50,790 studio dot hyper catcher calm. So if I set up a mastodon server 1636 01:44:50,790 --> 01:44:58,740 cost me five euros to master dot host it would be great to be 1637 01:44:58,740 --> 01:45:04,770 able to use that That every that every podcast app would say, oh, 1638 01:45:04,890 --> 01:45:10,170 there's comments available through through this mastodon 1639 01:45:10,170 --> 01:45:18,330 server and, or through this mastodon account, maybe. But I 1640 01:45:18,330 --> 01:45:21,210 as a podcaster would be responsible for the base layer 1641 01:45:21,210 --> 01:45:26,580 for the base comment on each episode on my own system. And 1642 01:45:26,580 --> 01:45:30,120 that would then flow through to all of the apps and where and I 1643 01:45:30,120 --> 01:45:35,220 would moderate it. Probably initially just through the web 1644 01:45:35,220 --> 01:45:38,400 browser on the mastodon instance, later on, obviously, 1645 01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:41,130 I'd love to moderate it through through the app that I have a 1646 01:45:41,130 --> 01:45:45,720 log into. But is that something that's really just web hooks or 1647 01:45:45,720 --> 01:45:49,230 hooks into into the system? I have to pass off a certain 1648 01:45:49,230 --> 01:45:52,500 parameter for the base comment? Or, you know, we've kind of 1649 01:45:52,500 --> 01:45:57,180 discussed that before. Is that something that's doable? Because 1650 01:45:57,330 --> 01:46:03,000 it seems relatively simple for me to set it up and maintain it. 1651 01:46:04,110 --> 01:46:08,250 And then it kind of leaves the the podcast app developers you 1652 01:46:08,250 --> 01:46:13,410 know, hands off except for the integration of whatever URL I 1653 01:46:13,410 --> 01:46:15,300 pass off per episode. 1654 01:46:20,970 --> 01:46:32,400 Yeah. didn't sound very positive. It's it just helped me 1655 01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:35,400 understand what I'm missing. Am I right? Am I wrong in this idea 1656 01:46:35,400 --> 01:46:39,390 is if what is there still months of coding? I just want to 1657 01:46:39,390 --> 01:46:41,160 understand what I'm not getting. 1658 01:46:43,500 --> 01:46:51,750 Possibly the the, the mass didn't Yes, mastodon speaks 1659 01:46:51,750 --> 01:46:58,890 activity pub. But it's not probably well suited to that use 1660 01:46:58,890 --> 01:46:59,490 case. 1661 01:47:02,160 --> 01:47:05,610 But just outside of activity pub, let's just not let's just 1662 01:47:06,570 --> 01:47:09,840 just just do the exercise with me because I really don't know 1663 01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:15,180 I'm just going I've very little technical knowledge. Perhaps 1664 01:47:15,690 --> 01:47:19,650 it's not the activity pub is not interesting at all. In this 1665 01:47:19,650 --> 01:47:23,610 case, I'm using a purely and maybe even a non federated 1666 01:47:23,610 --> 01:47:27,630 mastodon instance, all it does is it keeps my comments on my 1667 01:47:27,630 --> 01:47:30,570 podcast on my server that I can moderate. 1668 01:47:31,380 --> 01:47:35,430 right but but it's still activity pub. And that's if 1669 01:47:35,430 --> 01:47:38,010 you're going to integrate, you're going to have to 1670 01:47:38,010 --> 01:47:44,250 integrate an open standard way. Because you don't want because 1671 01:47:44,250 --> 01:47:46,980 otherwise, you're gonna end up with not, you're gonna end up 1672 01:47:46,980 --> 01:47:51,120 with mastodon, you're gonna have you're gonna end up with a 1673 01:47:51,120 --> 01:47:57,150 system where all the comments in podcasts have to use mastodon. 1674 01:47:58,020 --> 01:48:02,190 So you want it to speak the open language so that you're not 1675 01:48:02,370 --> 01:48:04,740 tying it to one specific product. Okay, so 1676 01:48:04,740 --> 01:48:08,700 that's why you want to use activity pub. Right. And what is 1677 01:48:08,700 --> 01:48:09,690 the problem with that? 1678 01:48:10,830 --> 01:48:15,000 Well, mastodon is very specific and opinionated in how it uses 1679 01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:24,420 activity pub. And so you don't want to you get you've like, I 1680 01:48:24,420 --> 01:48:32,850 feel like there may be a sort of that it's complicated. Like, 1681 01:48:33,060 --> 01:48:37,320 that's, that's, again, for the trepidation. I feel like what we 1682 01:48:37,320 --> 01:48:43,830 need is a model. So it's, that's one thing that we're missing 1683 01:48:43,830 --> 01:48:46,890 with this whole conversation with a lot of people can come up 1684 01:48:46,890 --> 01:48:49,020 with a lot of different scenarios in which they say, 1685 01:48:49,200 --> 01:48:54,210 well, we could do it like this. But what is missing is a ski is 1686 01:48:54,210 --> 01:49:00,840 a schematic to say, here's the tag, aggregate the tag, I hand 1687 01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:05,010 it off to a podcast app, the podcast app reads the reads a 1688 01:49:05,010 --> 01:49:09,840 tag. And here's how it interacts with with an activity pub 1689 01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:15,060 instance, whether it's mastodon aroma, whatever. That's what is 1690 01:49:15,060 --> 01:49:20,220 missing from this thing, because there's no it's going to be very 1691 01:49:20,220 --> 01:49:24,720 easy to get locked in. If we're, if, if you're just thinking in 1692 01:49:24,720 --> 01:49:35,190 terms of one product. As if so it's sort of like we're the live 1693 01:49:35,190 --> 01:49:39,030 system architecture proposal or discussion on the namespace. 1694 01:49:39,960 --> 01:49:45,330 That was very helpful because he sketched out what it was 1695 01:49:45,330 --> 01:49:48,600 supposed to what the whole interaction was supposed to look 1696 01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:53,610 like, right? And I feel like you know, one, one person that might 1697 01:49:53,610 --> 01:49:57,810 be good at this would be Benjamin Bellamy. That could 1698 01:49:57,810 --> 01:50:05,070 take because he's him. He's got a lot of ideas around activity 1699 01:50:05,070 --> 01:50:10,470 pub. Yeah, I feel like he could write out a schematic that shows 1700 01:50:10,470 --> 01:50:14,400 where the interaction points are between the tag, the comment 1701 01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:19,350 server and the app. I really think that's what's missing 1702 01:50:19,350 --> 01:50:22,020 here. Because there's, there's so many ways you can do it, and 1703 01:50:22,020 --> 01:50:27,240 you can get it wrong. And go a level too high. And excuse me a 1704 01:50:27,240 --> 01:50:31,740 level too low. Yeah. And then you're locked up is not, you're 1705 01:50:31,740 --> 01:50:35,640 gonna, it's not open anymore. That's the, 1706 01:50:36,300 --> 01:50:41,520 we don't want to explain that. No, we I gotcha. And I think 1707 01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:46,260 you're pointing towards exactly the right person. Because when 1708 01:50:46,260 --> 01:50:52,920 we had one of our first dev jitsi calls, I remember it was 1709 01:50:53,130 --> 01:50:56,250 it was him and Martin, we're having this exact conversation. 1710 01:50:57,330 --> 01:51:00,030 Right. And Benjamin and Mark Martin was saying, well, I just 1711 01:51:00,030 --> 01:51:02,310 want to just put some web hooks in and then anyone else can tie 1712 01:51:02,310 --> 01:51:04,710 into my web hooks and we'll be done with it. And then he you 1713 01:51:04,710 --> 01:51:08,070 know, he proposed to his girlfriend and bought a house 1714 01:51:08,070 --> 01:51:14,160 and all this stuff, and then he gave up on it. I'm just kidding. 1715 01:51:14,850 --> 01:51:19,500 But Benjamin was was very clear about that. So Benjamin, Bouvier 1716 01:51:19,500 --> 01:51:26,700 Bula jaunty last night there Yeah, I think I think I asked 1717 01:51:26,700 --> 01:51:27,180 him to help. 1718 01:51:30,750 --> 01:51:34,020 Better than me. Oh, I know is like animal names. of all his 1719 01:51:34,020 --> 01:51:35,370 horse shoes. Yes. 1720 01:51:36,090 --> 01:51:41,670 Yes. The douche shovel. The two CV sutra when famous automobile 1721 01:51:41,670 --> 01:51:45,990 Made in France two horsepower. Oh, you got to look at if you 1722 01:51:45,990 --> 01:51:49,500 ever seen it. No. It's called the duck the sutra. When to 1723 01:51:49,500 --> 01:51:54,180 suture when to CV. Go and go and search for it right now. 1724 01:51:54,539 --> 01:51:57,239 That he spills situ in CIT. 1725 01:51:57,240 --> 01:52:01,080 R o n. There's a boom Laos over the E but you don't have to do 1726 01:52:01,080 --> 01:52:01,410 that. 1727 01:52:01,529 --> 01:52:04,829 Does it get a little as it has a little standard? Oh, no. No 1728 01:52:04,829 --> 01:52:05,249 font. Oh, 1729 01:52:05,249 --> 01:52:08,309 hang on the button. No, no, no. dangling thingy. No. 1730 01:52:08,730 --> 01:52:13,140 Okay. citra one what to CV? Two CV. 1731 01:52:13,590 --> 01:52:17,850 I had one of these cars. Oh, it's red. It's made of tin. 1732 01:52:19,260 --> 01:52:23,040 It's, it has its convertible. You know it's I mean, it's you 1733 01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:26,550 have to roll it back like a sardine can. Oh, does it have a 1734 01:52:26,550 --> 01:52:31,320 wind up on the back? Oh, in fact every suitor when has a crank 1735 01:52:31,320 --> 01:52:34,170 shaft you can still start it with a hand crank in the front. 1736 01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:39,780 Nice even the modern ones. Even the modern the high end 1737 01:52:39,930 --> 01:52:43,830 limousine still I think so have the crankshaft but the to 1738 01:52:43,830 --> 01:52:47,040 crap. How would you crank that it's probably like a million 1739 01:52:47,220 --> 01:52:51,750 pounds of compression on that. henshin Well, not on this was 1740 01:52:51,780 --> 01:52:53,010 like a cylinder is 1741 01:52:53,010 --> 01:52:56,190 a two horsepower, two horsepower. There's nothing in 1742 01:52:56,190 --> 01:53:02,640 there. I think it's I don't know if it has three cylinders. 1743 01:53:03,360 --> 01:53:05,370 Can't remember the Chevelle? 1744 01:53:05,730 --> 01:53:12,780 Yeah. Camera. But what's cool about it is the gearshift is on 1745 01:53:12,780 --> 01:53:17,040 the dashboard. And it's it's basically a rod that goes 1746 01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:20,040 through the it's called the facia to be technical about it 1747 01:53:20,190 --> 01:53:22,950 through the facia, what we know is the dashboard through a hole 1748 01:53:23,070 --> 01:53:26,730 straight to the block. And so it has like, it has like a black 1749 01:53:26,730 --> 01:53:30,210 billiard ball on it. So and if you can look for an inside 1750 01:53:30,210 --> 01:53:34,410 picture, you'll see it and I think it's three speed. So to 1751 01:53:34,410 --> 01:53:38,940 the left and forward, that's gear one thing you pull back, 1752 01:53:39,060 --> 01:53:41,820 that's two and then you move it to the middle and push forward. 1753 01:53:41,820 --> 01:53:44,760 That's the third gear and then reverses obviously to the right 1754 01:53:44,760 --> 01:53:50,640 and back. It is phenomenal vehicle. Do you still same all 1755 01:53:50,640 --> 01:53:52,770 over the place, especially Caribbean islands. 1756 01:53:53,160 --> 01:53:57,540 That's my that's my anti theft mechanism for my truck. But my 1757 01:53:57,540 --> 01:54:02,070 daily drivers a 65 Ford Ford pickup, and it uses a three on 1758 01:54:02,070 --> 01:54:08,640 the column nice. Nobody, no one knows how to drive it. That's my 1759 01:54:08,640 --> 01:54:09,840 best theft deterrent. 1760 01:54:10,140 --> 01:54:12,000 Alright, well, I think we've given people something to think 1761 01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:17,040 about. A and I look forward to whatever we do. I'm just saying 1762 01:54:17,070 --> 01:54:19,740 I know where the winds are. I can feel that one. 1763 01:54:20,640 --> 01:54:24,270 Yeah, and it would it's a great way to get people to use an app. 1764 01:54:24,750 --> 01:54:27,630 It's easily the most complicated thing that's going to happen in 1765 01:54:27,630 --> 01:54:28,350 the namespace. 1766 01:54:29,280 --> 01:54:30,360 I hate hearing that. 1767 01:54:31,380 --> 01:54:36,870 A weird, easily. I mean, like and it's, well, look how hard 1768 01:54:37,290 --> 01:54:41,100 look how long it took for something to compete with 1769 01:54:41,100 --> 01:54:46,050 Twitter. It's just federating federating of comments in a way 1770 01:54:46,050 --> 01:54:48,690 that's sane. is not easy, 1771 01:54:48,720 --> 01:54:50,520 but no, no doubt, no doubt. 1772 01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:56,970 The The other thing would be that I feel like it's time for 1773 01:54:56,970 --> 01:55:01,860 the live tag. But I don't know how you feel about that. But I 1774 01:55:01,860 --> 01:55:05,820 feel like I would like to see some motion on that now that we 1775 01:55:05,820 --> 01:55:07,230 have piping in place. 1776 01:55:07,260 --> 01:55:09,990 I think I think that that's already I'm not going to stop 1777 01:55:09,990 --> 01:55:14,760 anything. Because I'll use it, obviously, and I think but let's 1778 01:55:14,760 --> 01:55:17,850 just be clear what we're doing because there's confusion. So 1779 01:55:17,850 --> 01:55:20,940 either we're doing live live stream, alternate enclosure, 1780 01:55:20,940 --> 01:55:25,380 live chat, or doing something else. Sorry. 1781 01:55:26,370 --> 01:55:29,820 That is the same. So like, the reason it's time for live is 1782 01:55:29,820 --> 01:55:33,420 because we now have alternate enclosure and pod pain. So we 1783 01:55:33,420 --> 01:55:38,850 had to lay those two things down first. Now, okay, guy got we can 1784 01:55:38,850 --> 01:55:41,610 put the live tag in there with an alternate enclosure 1785 01:55:41,610 --> 01:55:42,720 specifying the stream. 1786 01:55:45,150 --> 01:55:47,700 Yeah, and the Babel signal through the hive to the hive 1787 01:55:47,700 --> 01:55:53,820 thing. Am I right? The bat signal to the hive say yes, 1788 01:55:53,820 --> 01:55:58,560 but the reason I'm laughing is because if somebody came drops 1789 01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:00,540 in this conversation, they have no idea what the hell we're 1790 01:56:00,540 --> 01:56:02,910 talking Hey, everybody, the best thing to do the half thing 1791 01:56:02,940 --> 01:56:06,660 that's there you go podcasting 2.0 in a nutshell, what do we do 1792 01:56:06,720 --> 01:56:12,750 the bad signals to the hive thing? Get it got it good. So 1793 01:56:12,750 --> 01:56:15,960 much to think about. So much to think about. Alright, so we'll 1794 01:56:15,960 --> 01:56:19,230 focus on that and maybe Benjamin Bellamy can draw up a model for 1795 01:56:19,230 --> 01:56:19,980 the comments. 1796 01:56:21,030 --> 01:56:23,610 And if he will, I'd love him for it. Ah, 1797 01:56:24,510 --> 01:56:27,030 of course he will. This is his wheelhouse. He's been waiting to 1798 01:56:27,030 --> 01:56:31,380 pounce. Yes, we buttered him up with my knowledge of the dough 1799 01:56:31,380 --> 01:56:34,800 shovel. So now now it's just like, he's good to go. It's in 1800 01:56:34,800 --> 01:56:36,120 the pocket tape. Don't worry about it. 1801 01:56:36,420 --> 01:56:38,970 Score. Excellent thing go. 1802 01:56:39,930 --> 01:56:44,100 Oh, my goodness. All right. We should stop this show. Is anyone 1803 01:56:44,100 --> 01:56:49,770 still listening? No, no. It's just to come on. Come on kid a 1804 01:56:49,770 --> 01:56:50,670 boost. 1805 01:56:50,760 --> 01:56:53,790 You know you want to we know Tim will. 1806 01:56:55,680 --> 01:56:59,820 We already have in mind control. Alright. Holy crap, man. I'm 1807 01:56:59,820 --> 01:57:05,190 gonna go do some farraday caging and ordering of stuff and I 1808 01:57:05,190 --> 01:57:09,510 gotta go figure some things out. I Tina, the keepers not happy 1809 01:57:09,510 --> 01:57:11,700 that all the lights have to be off in the house while I'm doing 1810 01:57:11,700 --> 01:57:15,480 a show because that's kind of annoying. Because they're all on 1811 01:57:15,480 --> 01:57:18,750 dimmers. It's, uh, Oh, my goodness. I think I'm gonna have 1812 01:57:18,750 --> 01:57:21,090 to start but it's easier to change out the microphone than 1813 01:57:21,090 --> 01:57:22,650 change out all the dimmers. I think. 1814 01:57:23,610 --> 01:57:25,650 That's because you love that mind. Yeah, I 1815 01:57:25,650 --> 01:57:28,140 don't know. I mean, it's, it's, I think these things are just 1816 01:57:28,140 --> 01:57:32,280 broadcast and mind you. I'm D smart, smart defying this house 1817 01:57:32,280 --> 01:57:36,270 that we bought. The guy had literally everything smart door 1818 01:57:36,270 --> 01:57:40,140 locks, you know, the doorbell and all of these, all of these 1819 01:57:40,140 --> 01:57:43,230 items, including smart lights. I don't know if these dimmers are 1820 01:57:43,230 --> 01:57:49,740 controllable or not. They all have their own transceivers, you 1821 01:57:49,740 --> 01:57:52,740 know, they create their own mesh network amongst each other, 1822 01:57:52,800 --> 01:57:55,980 which is part of the Amazon sidewalk project, part of the 1823 01:57:55,980 --> 01:57:59,340 Bluetooth spec, if you believe it, then they're all 1824 01:57:59,340 --> 01:58:03,240 communicating and sending data and passing on packets. And 1825 01:58:03,240 --> 01:58:08,220 it's, it's, you know, it's a transceivers on a chip. So it's 1826 01:58:08,310 --> 01:58:11,850 not going to be, you know, really well shielded for 1827 01:58:11,850 --> 01:58:13,170 harmonics, etc. 1828 01:58:13,560 --> 01:58:15,780 You're going to plug your piehole in and think that things 1829 01:58:15,780 --> 01:58:16,530 just gonna melt? 1830 01:58:17,100 --> 01:58:20,220 No, no, because that traffic doesn't go through the through 1831 01:58:20,370 --> 01:58:23,880 through Wi Fi. It. They're broadcasting it down the street. 1832 01:58:23,940 --> 01:58:27,720 They're broadcasting the blue, this is how the apple, find your 1833 01:58:27,720 --> 01:58:31,920 luggage tag works. Now that I've been reading up on this, it's 1834 01:58:31,920 --> 01:58:32,820 disgusting. 1835 01:58:34,170 --> 01:58:36,330 Yeah, there's peer to peer thing. Yes, your 1836 01:58:36,330 --> 01:58:40,980 Smart TV is doing this. And if it didn't, it's embedded in 1837 01:58:40,980 --> 01:58:44,520 their chips. They can turn it on. And then all of a sudden, it 1838 01:58:44,550 --> 01:58:49,920 shared AKG I can't put a Faraday cage around the TV now. Can I 1839 01:58:51,630 --> 01:58:58,350 makes it hard to watch? No. You said the whole house. Yes. Okay, 1840 01:58:58,350 --> 01:58:59,370 Dave, I'm on it. 1841 01:59:00,780 --> 01:59:03,480 Or just wrap your head in it is wrapped around your head. 1842 01:59:04,050 --> 01:59:06,450 Next week. I think we have Eric coming on as a guest. Is that 1843 01:59:06,450 --> 01:59:09,000 correct? or the week after? Yeah. Okay. Thanks, Nick. Great. 1844 01:59:09,030 --> 01:59:11,490 Great. He'll give us an update on what he's doing in the back 1845 01:59:11,490 --> 01:59:12,720 office. It'll be fun. 1846 01:59:13,140 --> 01:59:15,840 I wonder if the ra 20 would be better. Or if it's going to 1847 01:59:15,840 --> 01:59:20,130 suffer from the same problem. It may even be worse. Why? 1848 01:59:21,120 --> 01:59:24,780 I don't know this. This is supposed to be kind of the 320s 1849 01:59:24,780 --> 01:59:28,200 supposed to be the the throw it around. It'll be it'll work. 1850 01:59:28,200 --> 01:59:31,590 Okay, type thing is speed as loud as you can. And the end. 1851 01:59:31,590 --> 01:59:34,770 The 20 is a very beautiful high end expensive microphone. 1852 01:59:35,310 --> 01:59:39,090 So it's a fickle monster, I guess might be mine be. Oh, 1853 01:59:39,090 --> 01:59:40,290 well. You'll figure it out. 1854 01:59:41,520 --> 01:59:42,660 Yeah, I hope so. 1855 01:59:44,160 --> 01:59:47,100 Andrew, average 17 orders of part you'll figure it out. He's 1856 01:59:47,100 --> 01:59:48,780 anything else I can do for you my friend. 1857 01:59:49,170 --> 01:59:53,100 No, man. No, I'm good. What's you doing? Happy Fourth of July. 1858 01:59:53,160 --> 01:59:55,950 Thank you. Yes, Happy Independence Day. We'll be 1859 01:59:55,950 --> 02:00:00,570 celebrating here in the in the heart of Texas hilker To be 1860 02:00:00,570 --> 02:00:03,120 interesting, real ugly, real Americana 1861 02:00:03,570 --> 02:00:04,470 as pflugerville 1862 02:00:04,890 --> 02:00:07,800 pflugerville is great to Schlitterbahn says hi. It's not 1863 02:00:07,800 --> 02:00:12,240 even near where we live. I buddy Have a great weekend day MSA. 1864 02:00:12,720 --> 02:00:15,510 Everybody. Thank you so much for joining the board meeting. Sorry 1865 02:00:15,510 --> 02:00:17,970 it went a little bit long but you will enjoy your weekend. 1866 02:00:17,970 --> 02:00:20,760 We'll be back next week with another episode of podcasting 1867 02:00:20,850 --> 02:00:21,660 2.0 1868 02:00:36,720 --> 02:00:41,490 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 visit podcast in 1869 02:00:41,490 --> 02:00:43,950 this dipole for more information.