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podcasting 2.0 for June 18 2021,
Episode 42 we're all a flutter.

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Yeah, it's Friday, you know what
that means? Time for a meeting

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of the Board. In the only
fashion we can do an open source

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for podcasting 2.0 everything
that's going on in podcasts,

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index dot social, some GitHub
stuff on the side. I'm Adam

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curry in Austin, Texas and in
Alabama, the man who can give

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you an alternative to your
enclosure ladies, my friend on

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the other end day, Joe,

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in the middle of texting,
messaging, Dave Jackson that he

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got my rush temples of syrinx
donation. on his own, his new

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lightning is shiny new lightning
node.

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You know, this is a that was
actually my first topic on the

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list for today to tell you Yeah,
cuz I had a very pleasant

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experience. And I'd like to
explain it to you. I've started,

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I've started up a number of
companies. I took one public in

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the mid 90s on NASDAQ. So, you
know, I've run big groups of

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people. You know, like, 100 in
the New York office alone, it's

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700 employees, it stuff,
everything, developers, you name

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it. We all say I'm good at it,
but I learned a lot of stuff.

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And if podcasting 2.0 and what
we're doing here was a company,

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it would be so stressful.
Because here, you know, so Dave

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Jackson School of podcasting,
Dave Jackson, old school silver

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hair like me, bhogi of the
podcasting world. We're having

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a, an email thread. And he says,
Oh, can you come on school

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podcast, and we want to ask you
so of course, let's do this. And

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he knows exactly what we're up
to and podcasting 2.0. And so he

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sets about getting set up, I
believe in preparation for us

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talking about it, which is great
because School of podcasting. I

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mean, there's history there, you
had a bunch of podcasts back in

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the early days. And if you
wanted to learn how to Podcast,

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where everyone knew School of
podcasting, you go to school,

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Dave Jackson, and he taught 10s
of 1000s of people how to

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podcast. So if anyone's going to
be able to help show us show the

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world the way with value for
value, even podcasting 2.0

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features Dave Jackson's the guy
you want to have, and so I'm

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like, Oh, this is fantastic. Of
course, I want to be on the

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show. And then he starts to set
up a node, and everything falls

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to shit, everything's break in,
nothing works. It's the worst

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experience of onboarding we've
ever had. And it's Yeah, and if

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this was a commercial company,
let alone a public company or

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anything. I mean, I won't say
that we're not commercial, but

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we're doing this in a very
different manner. You know,

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we're not getting paid for it.
We're, we're building up some

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coffers to be able to manage
infrastructure and payment

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channels, etc. I would have been
very mortified, mortified,

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mortified, more than agitated
you would have been, I mean, we

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didn't have but one back and
forth text messages during this

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entire thing. And hopefully, you
had the same like, Wow, it

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sucks, but we're just doing what
we can do. And we'll get there.

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And Dave, of course, Dave
Jackson felt that too, I think,

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yeah,

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it's like 48 hours. Like, the
old thing wasn't gonna be done

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at two weeks. Yeah, something
like that. Yeah,

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it'll get there. Like, this is
the growing pains of having, at

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the end of the process, when you
have your own full node, you're

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rocking and rolling. I mean, you
get you got, you got the best

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setup. But it's not always the
easiest pathway to get to

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know to get there, it can, in
fact, be quite painful. And, and

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there's ongoing maintenance. And
it's like an ex wife, I

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talked to Graham, he was helping
me sort of diagnose what was

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going on. And it was just your
way exactly what you would think

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about a distributed
decentralized system that

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nobody's in control of like this
is the system of lightning nodes

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has to figure itself out like
there's nobody there to tell it

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what to do. So it has to figure
all this crap out itself.

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There's not really a DNS, right,
it's a graph that is updated.

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And then where does that do you
know, how the consensus is

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reached? So you know, if I add a
node, how does that graph get

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created? Who's doing the
creation is up just by the is

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that the? I mean, my my question
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that work? It would be in a
lead, there's only one way it

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could work. Would it be through
to let you know, like an

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election or a gossip between
themselves? So that, as you

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know, Graham said, well, the
gospel transition, right, he's

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like, sometimes it can take a
few days, holy crap, to update

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the graph. And but I mean, the
channel holes are open. So once

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the channels are open, you
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things should begin to work.
Now, the only question I have is

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whether breeze will work?
Because breeze being a lightning

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node has to get its, I think it
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graph. Right. And that's the I'm
out there. Now I'm not

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well, no, this is where this I
actually know if you go to

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breeze and you go to the
developer menu option, and then

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you have your general because
it's that's basically an l&d

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connect to your talking to your
node, which is your breeze

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wallet wallets in the
foreground. And you add a new

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issue or get, you can just type
it in get info, hit the little

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play button instead of I think
return my work too. And then

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it'll show sinks graph, false or
true. And when you, when you

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first start up your breeze app,
it can take 30 seconds to a

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minute, sometimes before it's
completely synced. But as you

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point out, I still I had a
problem sending sets from breeze

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after I'd already been able to
send them from the podcast index

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node through keys. And boy, is
anyone still listening? Is this

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still on? Okay, yeah. Anyway,
you got it? Yes. Well, that

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brings a brings up a larger
point, which, which is something

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that we're just now starting to
understand the lightning

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network. Of course, when you're
sending a million satoshis, back

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and forth, you want big players,
big channels, one bow mumbo

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jumbo mumbo jumbo channels, and
you know, there's fees

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associated, you'll still it'll
still be great. It'll be very

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reasonable these fees. But what
we're doing in our own little

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micro network, this requires
something different. It just

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does. And in fact, it is
probably better for micro

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payments to be working with more
custodial solutions for this

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very reason. Is, is you know, so
Ellen pay as an example, they're

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online, you know, so their graph
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Same for podcast apps, is
probably until a lot more gets

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sorted out is probably better to
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we're talking little lower
amounts anyway. So there's less

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risk unless you're a provider of
custodial solutions, and then,

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you know, all these little bits
can add up, you don't want to

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mess it up. But that's what
businesses do. Well, you

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get a guy like Dave Jackson,
who's an old school geek, and

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then he's willing to just sort
of be like, you know, whatever

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this Yeah, this will work itself
out and and I'll go check my IP

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address on this on this tab, and
I'll go check this on this tab.

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And it's like, he can get
through this thing without much

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pain and just sort of you know,
figure it out but then you have

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you know, average Joe podcaster
is not even sure where where his

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podcast is hosted. That That
guy's gonna really be like brain

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explosion. I don't understand
what what what the hell's going

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on here. So we got you got to
have the the what I think what

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are we thinking about is like
jeans mom route and then the I

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love

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that this is just a thing. Jeans
mom jeans mom on Wikipedia yet

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that needs to be afraid. Yes.

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Mom experience which actually
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Mom, I don't want the jeans mama
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A little rank. It's like the
NASCAR experience. Yeah, so you

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know, you get the three to three
levels, you get genes, mom, and

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then you get the next level up,
which is like I kind of

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understand what I'm doing. And
I'm willing to have the stress.

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And then you've got the I really
know what I'm doing. And I've

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already got my note and I'm good
to go. You know, and these are

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the three paths that Eric is
building. As far as I know.

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Yeah. That's why he does what
he's described. Yeah. In the GS

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mom is clearly the hardest one
because that's the one that

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takes the most hand holding and
custodial pneus Yeah. Like what

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was Eric saying the other day is
like, we need a semi custodial

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solution. Can a custodian Oh
yeah, yeah, that was not gonna

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that was not gonna pass the
muster of the of the lightning

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Bitcoin. Yeah. extremists Kraus.

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Well, you know, we brought in
the big guns. Tina, the keeper.

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t. Now, you know, we're moving
so she's leaving her current job

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in which she's already kind of
semi retired. And, you know,

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she's, she's been she's always
been helping us from day one.

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Anything that I write?
Certainly, you know, she's

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gotten Tina washed a couple of
di things. A couple things you

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wrote to you know, she she's a
communicator, but what's really

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nice, I like that term. She
washed it. Oh, yeah. This is

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called the Tina wash. That's
what they call it Ronald

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McDonald House Charities. We do
run that through the Tina wash

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yet. But she also knows how to
manage social media campaigns.

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You know, PR work with
publicist, the whole it's she

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she's in the C class, the C
suite. And she's like, hey, it

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looks like you guys are getting
kind of ready. And I'm not going

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to let the opportunity to change
the world pass me by. So I would

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like to join for free. Oh, I
like free. Yeah, well, good. I

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think that was the thing that
was, you know, that was the deal

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clincher right there. Yeah.
You're hired. Yeah. So for some

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of these jeans, jeans mom bit. I
think she'll probably be able to

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help us a lot. Make dialy work.

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I'm looking right now. At the
cover of radio eight magazine

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volume.

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Okay, now that's 30 for you
before you say anything. Is it

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really is that that picture when
I saw it online? I'm like, Oh,

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my God. I mean, of all the
things we sent. It's horrible.

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It is not bad. It's not bad. Oh,
okay. Thanks. Would you date

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him?

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I would not personally date date
this person that has covered

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this magazine. But I could see.
I could see it. Yeah. Yeah, but

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the the the pictures in the
article itself are those are

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great. Yeah, there's no articles
good. The best part of the

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article? Clearly,

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I haven't read the article. So I
don't know. I really haven't

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seen it. The sidebar from me. On
page two. Oh, what does it say?

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He felt from the beginning. Let
me read it as if I'm in the same

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way that I meant it when I
pinned it to Ed Ryan. He felt

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from the beginning of this
project that open RSS podcasting

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was on a trajectory to just fade
away. If developers stopped

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caring about it. Is

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this you talking? Or is this a
little Oh, you just ranking sexy

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man? Like, are you talking about
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Alright, I keep going that pets
don't commitment to a single

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vision, give the open podcasting
ecosystem features with which to

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compete and give developers and
podcasters a path to

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profitability without the risk
of deep platforming is what he

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preaches every single time we
make a decision. It has made the

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whole project a true joy.

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Dave Jones, nice. Nice. Thank
you. Very nice. Nice. You could

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have thrown in a couple things.
You know, this visionary? I

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mean, you could have done this
vision. A few things. Yeah. Next

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down, yeah, no, is a very good
article. And Ryan, did you

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write? Oh, good are good. I'm
very happy. Well, so I have the

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big keynote interview. fireside
chat thing. I think mid July

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somewhere. Radio a radio Inc. is
is a an important magazine.

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Certainly, you know, radio, but
you know, all radio, guys and

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gals are now podcasters as well.
So maybe we'll see a few people

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seeing the light like, oh, wait
a minute, there's an alternative

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Do you have anything to jump
right into? Because that I can

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kind of jump into something on
that. On that note? No, please

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do? Is the whole thing of what
is a podcast? Ah, yes, yes. This

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is it. I mean, I don't I don't
really want to beat the horse

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too much. Because I mean, it's
it, people go round and round

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about it. But I do think it's
important. I mean, clearly, you

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know, anchors, you know, doing
their thing with dropping RSS

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feeds unless you asked for it
and all this stuff. This is this

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is the biggest news topic of the
moment, as far as I'm concerned.

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Do detail. Well. Okay, so

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well. And I don't mean to hijack
your story. Now. What we're

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seeing is big players redefining
what we're doing. And I hope

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everyone is paid attention.
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podcasting game. They are now a
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subscriptions, they've got the
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server, they've got the clients.
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the game, and they're still
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moving out of the game. They
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whatever the reasons for anchor
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read the vision, we understand
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are now calling what they do
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witnessed the influx of
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places, sometimes, including
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suspicious about. Now I'm very
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from caused from a Kazakhstani
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letter or anything like that. So
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an article. Regardless, there
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asked me this question that is a
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have an RSS feed, and I think
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to plant our flag in the sand,
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they're doing. In fact, we
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That's not a podcast, that's a
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back us up. Spotify and Apple
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So I think this is, I would say
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Sirius XM versus traditional
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Rick? Is howard stern doing a
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so. Either. And so and would you
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because I didn't just read this
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this radio a magazine, and I was
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people in radio, take their
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they love the history of it, and

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they love the what it
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thing that it represents what
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the reason that it's so many old
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so starry out about radio. And
as soon as daljit can so so

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important to them, is that it
represents like an openness and

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a freedom that you can brought
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like ham radio does. The you can
roll your message out, you can

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you can broadcast your voice
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And then any body anyone on the
other end can pick it up with

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any device. Yeah, not that the
credit. I don't have to have a

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Kenwood model 3207 in order to
pick up this one radio station

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site and have in fact listeners
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feats of performance by
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their homes so they could get if
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And you you in this article are
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you were a kid and you got a
project set and they in you and

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built your own Yes, transmit,
transmit that

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was the beginning of the Radio
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Yeah, and that is that is
roughly equivalent to hand

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coding an RSS feed. If I can
hand code my feed, and post my

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audio file. I'm done. And
anybody on the other end can

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listen to it with any podcast
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podcasting is the ability for
any creator, to broadcast to any

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receiver, not listener, but to
any receiver. Because the the

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the ability for anything to
receive the broadcast without

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having to go through approvals
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company or any of these things.
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just because you take a podcast
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platform. Yes, the the the
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it's just like saying, well,
this radio show, we're going to

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they're going to rebroadcast it
on Sirius XM was only it only

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continues to be a radio show in
that scenario, because the

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source of the thing was a radio
show, right? It's not a radio

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show, because it's on Sirius.
And it's not a it's not a radio

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show, because the definition in
definition is ambiguous. It just

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continues to be a radio show
because the source of it in its

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DNA was in radio in the same way
with podcasting. You can

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broadcast it on different
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YouTube and stick it on, you
know rumble or some crap like

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that. You can stick it anywhere
you want to in as long as the

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DNA the origin of it is still in
the freedom and openness that

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podcasting was within Yes, it
continues to be you could call

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it a podcast. But if that
original thing ever goes away,

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in a sclusively moves to a
platform where you can only

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listen to it on that platform.
It is not a podcast anymore,

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because it's lost. The thing
that makes podcasting what it

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is, which is freedom, openness,
no barriers to entry on either

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side. That is It's like It's
like AOL versus the internet.

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Nobody calls a well, the the
internet is they do we tell

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them? They're wrong? Yeah. Yep.
That's I just, I feel like the

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while it may not be worth
getting into humongous fights

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over it, I don't think it is. I
don't really care.

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Philosophically, though, I do
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think it matters. And because,
because what podcasting is just

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like what radio is represents an
idea in an ideal, that is that

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is important. The ideal of
freedom and openness, and no

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corporate, no corporate control
over the means of receiving

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right. Where and even that is,
thank God for progressive web

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apps. Because again, that is
becoming tighter and tighter,

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and it's just going to get
worse. What you'd what you what

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you what your app can do when
you put it in the App Store.

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play this. I know, you know,
this guy, Adam Christiansen.

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Cast. Yeah. Sounds familiar.
matte cast has been around for

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16 years by the parties. Of
course, I know. Yeah. Yeah. He

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used to maintain one of the opml
nodes for Potter. odd. You know

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which one? He said it was. It's
in one of these clips. I don't

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remember something. Maybe the
technology side or the apple

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side? Yeah.

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Now it's coming back to me. Oh,
my God. This is a long time ago.

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A long time ago. Sure. Played
the clip, Matt cast. Are they

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podcast? One? There's a lot of
options and things happening.

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There's a lot of siloing of
podcasts that are going on,

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they're starting to like network
up and get brought together and

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some are moving behind paywalls.
And I'm not really sure they can

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be termed podcasts anymore.

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Oh, yes. Okay. He's the net
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just put it in the one I'm gonna
tweet out later. Adam and Dave

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doesn't discuss this week's
developments on podcast

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index.org highlighting the
definition of podcast versus

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netcast. I'm just claiming it
now. I'm just going to claim it.

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I don't care like it. Yeah, no,
why not? It has a history. Oh,

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that's what it was that Lee Oh,
yeah, he looks pretty corporate

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netcast. Got it. I see. I want
to attach netcast to that face.

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Well, he can do net casting 2.0.
That's right. That's right. an

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anchor. Yeah, play play the
second part of that. So

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podcasting is definitely
changing. And I you know, I just

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wonder if the definition of what
a podcast is needs to be

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rethought in the age of, Hey,
I'm going to take my show to

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Spotify. And the only way you
can get it is from Spotify and

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being on Spotify? Is it really a
podcast at that point? I don't

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think really it is, I think, as
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There's nothing wrong with that.
But let's not call it a podcast

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because I think my
interpretation of podcast is

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something that's open and free
and available on a feed and

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available through all of the
services and maybe that's wrong

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in the modern definition of a
podcast, but I don't think it

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is. I don't know. Well, okay.

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When I don't like the even
contemplating a modern

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definition of podcast. And I
know Dave Winer would agree with

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me, it's not a podcast if it
doesn't have a freely available

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mp3 feed. RSS feed. That's it.

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And I think that's that what he
just expressed, it's not it's

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it's not a podcast, unless it's

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right. But he but what he said
there was I I'm not quite sure

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about the modern definition. No,
no. And people don't get to

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change everything. They can
change all kinds of words, but

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like deprecating, you know? I'm
not blaming him, but it's true

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people are trying to this is
exactly my point. They're trying

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to redefine the term YouTube
podcast. No, it's not. that's a

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that's a YouTube video, the

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the art I think we need to
remember what anchor is because

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anchor is really the one that's
this sort of like blowing this

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old thing up. I mean, yes, Apple
over there, you know, Apple was

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subscriptions or whatever. But
the anchor really is at the

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heart of the whole issue because
they're now pipelining shows

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into into Spotify without a
feed, but and so a couple things

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on that. Number one, when they
announced when I first I saw

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that they were going to not
automatically create an RSS

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feed. I said hallelujah force,
that they're not going to create

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an RSS feed for every Tom, Dick
and Harry that picks up the

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phone and And makes us and makes
an episode. Because that really

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is it's like not, it's just
space junk. It really is just

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space debris at this point, the
polluting the entire ecosystem.

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And there's, you know, a million
feeds that you could parse that

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you get get rid of out of
anchor, and nobody would ever

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even know they were gone, right?
It's just, it's really, it

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really is just just space junk.
So my first reaction was, Oh, my

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God, this is wonderful. Can they
do this sooner? You know, the

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other thing the other part of it
was? Well, they're gonna

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continue to pipeline shows into,
into Spotify. And I think some

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people took that as like, maybe
not playing fair or they're

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going to somehow have an
advantage, or they're trying to

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silo and that kind of thing that
I think I agree with some people

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who said this is most likely our
response to Apple cutting off

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that, you know, that pipeline
and I don't think they would

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have done this voluntarily. But
I think more importantly, I like

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that too. I love it. Create
direct your people into Spotify.

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Make that the the silo the
walled garden where all their

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all your shows live, and watch
yourself die. Watch your entire

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business collapse. Because
that's, that's what the

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inevitable result is.

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I believe you're correct. Which
is why I do the bat the hill,

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I'm willing to die on us for the
definition of podcast because

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I'm just not gonna let them take
that just not going to is

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bullshit. Yeah. So you know,
their strategy is clear. Joe

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Rogan 100 million dollars Sophia
with an F now 660 $60 million.

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By the way, where's the where's
the lefty goon squad? This is

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clearly inequitable misogyny at
play. Why does the woman get

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paid last? Oh, yeah. I never
even thought about that thing.

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You didn't hear anyone
complained about that? Okay, all

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I heard was Highest Paid woman.
Wow. Isn't that the exact

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opposite of what everyone
preaches? Isn't it supposed to

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be just Highest Paid podcaster?
Anyway,

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talk about lowering the bar.
This is the highest paid woman

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that supposedly a good thing?
Yeah, like, I mean, come on that

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like, if if Joe Rogan can get
$100 million? Daddy can get 100

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million easy. Exactly, exactly.
It's TMZ. Spotify is becoming

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TMZ of podcasting,

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which will be very successful
for certain markets. And for

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very few content producers. It's
how it always works. You cannot

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monetize the entire network. You
just can't. It doesn't work. It

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becomes very annoying. People
don't know, aren't getting their

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piece. It's not fair. But we've
seen it happen many times. But

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they do have a lot of money to
market. And if they're just

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going to say all the best
podcasts aren't any I'm just not

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going to allow that. I don't
know how I'm going to stop it.

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But I'm not gonna allow it. I
won't have it dammit. And I

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would like to say to the hosting
companies. I know that there. I

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think there's some Jubilee
there. I was listening to new

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media show. And I heard Robin
Todd like, Yeah, that's great.

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It's great. It's great. But
please be careful. They are

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showing a path. And that path is
a big carrot. Which says come on

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over here, you could make 60 $65
million. Or if you have a penis

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$100 million. Oh, yeah, come
over here. We're fantastic. And

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people will go. And they will
not, you know, be alerted to the

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fact that there's no RSS feed.
And they will only promote the

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fact that they're on Spotify to
their audiences. So I don't

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think it's anything to be
jubilant about. I agree with you

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that as long as we can show the
alternative and how successful

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it is, and how the ecosystem is
thriving, which it is that

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people who were very serious and
who matter Well, yeah, they can

429
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:17,520
graduate from courses, Mr.
microphone, which is what I'm

430
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:22,500
calling Spotify, they can
graduate from an ad to to the to

431
00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:25,710
the big boys show where you know
where we walk on the edge and

432
00:29:25,710 --> 00:29:30,510
sometimes you fall off and it
breaks and people listeners and

433
00:29:30,510 --> 00:29:34,410
producers work together and then
build things together and make

434
00:29:34,410 --> 00:29:40,770
things better and support flows.
And it's it's just like mastodon

435
00:29:40,770 --> 00:29:43,860
you know, if you look at all the
social media traffic out there

436
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,890
it's a very, very small
fraction, I guess of Facebook

437
00:29:49,890 --> 00:29:54,840
and Twitter and Instagram. But
it's, it works just as well

438
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,140
actually works better because
it's not algo wise, etc. In our

439
00:29:58,140 --> 00:30:03,570
case, either with mastodon or
load the podcast index out

440
00:30:03,570 --> 00:30:09,150
social no agenda, social calm.
You know, it's active, it's

441
00:30:09,150 --> 00:30:13,170
really good and, and there was a
problem, I can't remember

442
00:30:13,170 --> 00:30:16,020
exactly what it was but I got an
email from another admin from a

443
00:30:16,020 --> 00:30:19,080
very big server and said, Hey,
it looks like some of our stuffs

444
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,630
being blocked Here, have a look
and we do something wrong here.

445
00:30:21,630 --> 00:30:26,610
Really, the same open source
nature that we see in this

446
00:30:26,610 --> 00:30:31,320
project was around podcasting.
2.0 everyone's competing, but

447
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,930
everyone's helping and just
trying to make things better.

448
00:30:33,930 --> 00:30:39,300
And over time, it's going to be
the place is I see a changing,

449
00:30:39,330 --> 00:30:42,630
you know, everyone's bored.
Who's bored with the old

450
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:45,420
systems? They're not fun
anymore. If you're on the left,

451
00:30:45,420 --> 00:30:47,160
there's no one to yell out on
the right because they're all

452
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:52,920
gone off the platform. You know,
it's just hyper overreaction

453
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,630
hyper. Yeah, just everyone's
triggered. It's like It's like a

454
00:30:57,630 --> 00:31:01,140
bad party drug. And so with
podcasting as well, you know,

455
00:31:01,140 --> 00:31:05,700
people God, man, I want to
listen to a Joe Rogan Episode 10

456
00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:10,980
minutes of ads that I couldn't
fast forward through. He used to

457
00:31:10,980 --> 00:31:13,470
be able to fast forward that's
the beauty of podcast

458
00:31:13,470 --> 00:31:19,500
advertising. Okay, I'm here.
That was That was horrible. And

459
00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:20,970
then a mid roll somewhere.

460
00:31:22,380 --> 00:31:24,480
You're gonna have to fight
through the same thing with the

461
00:31:24,510 --> 00:31:25,980
with Sophia with an F. Now,

462
00:31:26,010 --> 00:31:29,640
yes, to get you to get your fix.
So I just want to say I think

463
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:34,290
that the faster and while the
fast I think can always be

464
00:31:34,290 --> 00:31:39,030
faster, I'm very impatient. But
the more we can expose

465
00:31:39,180 --> 00:31:45,300
podcasting 2.0 to your clients,
the and I think this is a big

466
00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:48,660
part of what I want Tina to help
us work on. Besides, you know,

467
00:31:48,660 --> 00:31:54,300
that helping podcasters on ramp
and genes Mom, I want podcast

468
00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:58,290
index, to use at least some of
its funds to be promoting the

469
00:31:58,290 --> 00:32:02,880
apps. We need to be promoting
fantastic experiences with these

470
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,600
apps. No one has a budget. You
know, so I think that's one of

471
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,390
the that's where we can really
put our money. Certainly this in

472
00:32:09,390 --> 00:32:14,340
the start phase is to get people
to, to know that hey, you know,

473
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,390
try a new app. That's why import
and export of opml is very

474
00:32:18,390 --> 00:32:21,780
important. Make it easy for
people to try something Oh, let

475
00:32:21,780 --> 00:32:24,990
me just export my and you should
tell them that, hey, if you're

476
00:32:24,990 --> 00:32:27,120
just trying this out, you want
to import your subscriptions.

477
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,430
You don't know you don't lose
your other app if you want to

478
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:34,560
use that. Those and new podcast
apps calm everybody.

479
00:32:36,510 --> 00:32:41,280
Good. Good segue into this. I've
got a see what this clip is

480
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:41,730
called.

481
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,860
Wait a minute, do we not want to
play number three where he

482
00:32:43,860 --> 00:32:46,740
mentions us? Because that's the
one I've been staring. That's a

483
00:32:46,740 --> 00:32:48,270
long clip. Oh, okay. All right.

484
00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:51,210
Is it? How long is that? 234
year right, that's long. Yes,

485
00:32:51,210 --> 00:32:53,850
long. We'll do that another
time. I need to chop it up

486
00:32:53,850 --> 00:32:59,790
there. Um, let's see place
shortwave cicada description.

487
00:33:00,330 --> 00:33:03,570
But they all look pretty
similar. So they've got these

488
00:33:03,570 --> 00:33:08,850
bright red eyes on top of this
black body with bright orange

489
00:33:08,850 --> 00:33:11,640
wings. So you're immediately
struck by how conspicuous this

490
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,820
organism is. It's also larger
than most insects. It's

491
00:33:15,390 --> 00:33:17,280
sometimes about two inches long.

492
00:33:18,750 --> 00:33:19,290
Okay.

493
00:33:20,700 --> 00:33:26,580
So the this is NPR with a
podcast called shortwave. And

494
00:33:26,610 --> 00:33:30,030
he's describing a cicada. And
the whole thing is about brewed

495
00:33:30,030 --> 00:33:33,360
tin. Yes. root x. Yes, of
course. Yeah. brewed x. So he's

496
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,940
describing the brewed x. He's
describing this Qaeda and blah,

497
00:33:35,940 --> 00:33:41,910
blah, blah. And there's no
chapter art. Oh, oh, no. Yeah.

498
00:33:42,210 --> 00:33:46,470
And I was listening to this with
my daughter last night. And I

499
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:49,800
thought he's describing this
thing. I want a picture, I want

500
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,680
a picture of this thing. I want
a picture of a showing a map of

501
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,650
when, when they emerge after 17
years, and when they emerge

502
00:33:55,650 --> 00:33:59,730
after like 13 or five different
things, or I can't I couldn't

503
00:33:59,730 --> 00:34:03,540
see the map. And I want to I
want this stuff. And so like

504
00:34:03,540 --> 00:34:07,980
this is the this is the perfect
example. And people you said

505
00:34:07,980 --> 00:34:10,860
people are bored, you know,
like, give them something new.

506
00:34:10,860 --> 00:34:16,050
It's time to give them new
things. podcast addict. pod

507
00:34:16,050 --> 00:34:23,370
friend, Josh, hyper catcher.
They all support chapter art.

508
00:34:23,370 --> 00:34:30,960
Now the breeze areas in Marco's
working on putting cloud

509
00:34:30,990 --> 00:34:34,110
podcasting people know cloud
based chapters, JSON chapters

510
00:34:34,110 --> 00:34:38,250
into overcast. There's no all
the production side of

511
00:34:38,250 --> 00:34:40,470
podcasting, NPR.

512
00:34:41,310 --> 00:34:44,310
That'll be that'll be so huge
when Marco puts it in.

513
00:34:44,730 --> 00:34:47,790
Yes, Stacy, if you're listening,
get your guys to start putting

514
00:34:47,790 --> 00:34:52,320
chapter art in there because it
is. It is a multimedia

515
00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:56,820
experience. pleasant experience.
Yes, you're completely in the

516
00:34:56,820 --> 00:35:00,120
car. It's fantastic when you see
chapters change and then It'll

517
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,420
blow people's mind if they've
never seen it before on an like,

518
00:35:03,540 --> 00:35:06,780
imagine. So imagine that
somebody who's addicted to NPR

519
00:35:06,780 --> 00:35:13,110
podcast, they are on a you know,
they're on a modern app. And

520
00:35:13,110 --> 00:35:16,080
they and then all the sudden
they're listening to a thing

521
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:21,300
about cicadas and brood tin. And
boom, there's pops up the

522
00:35:21,300 --> 00:35:24,240
cicada. You can even say take a
look at your screen. You'll see

523
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:27,780
it right now. And there's a link
to more information. Oh, no.

524
00:35:28,410 --> 00:35:33,600
Yeah. And it will blow their
mind. Yeah. This is the time.

525
00:35:34,170 --> 00:35:39,180
This is the point in time to
take this tech and put it in

526
00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:44,700
front of, of normal people.
Instead of just geeks. It's to

527
00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:49,350
that point, it's that easy. Now
it's to that ease of use level.

528
00:35:49,830 --> 00:35:53,340
And it really will jazz people
up like crazy.

529
00:35:53,610 --> 00:35:57,570
I agree. That's, I've seen
nothing but these types of

530
00:35:57,570 --> 00:36:00,540
comments. I was using podcast
addict. And all of a sudden I

531
00:36:00,540 --> 00:36:03,480
saw the art change. See, this is
someone who just uses the app

532
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,510
and didn't even know that was
coming and was baked in and just

533
00:36:06,510 --> 00:36:10,380
had that that surprise, like,
Oh, my God. It's delightful.

534
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:17,190
It's delightful. Well, we saw a
new app. We were given a video

535
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:21,480
demo. We put under some or some
kind of hush, hush. Don't talk

536
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:26,340
about it with this, or we're not
a friendly one. Yeah. Well,

537
00:36:26,340 --> 00:36:28,680
there's another app coming and
this is flutter stuff that

538
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:29,670
people are building in.

539
00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:34,020
Yeah, that must be that's that's
the hot new thing that I guess

540
00:36:34,020 --> 00:36:36,360
because you can build for like
multiple platforms all at once

541
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:40,590
again. I think there's Google
based I think there's a Google

542
00:36:40,590 --> 00:36:43,350
developed a really Lang
framework. Yeah.

543
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,710
But people seem to like it
because you can. From what I

544
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:49,710
understand, you can roll out
cross platform pretty easily

545
00:36:49,710 --> 00:36:53,340
isn't. pod friend. Isn't Martin
using that as well now, but he

546
00:36:53,340 --> 00:36:54,240
was using flutter.

547
00:36:54,570 --> 00:36:58,200
Now he's in react. flutter
flutter is what anytime players

548
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:58,620
built on

549
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:03,870
O is very uses. Right? Right.
Right. Hmm. Interesting. Yeah,

550
00:37:03,870 --> 00:37:06,930
it's just cool to see more apps
coming more people integrating

551
00:37:06,930 --> 00:37:09,600
his pod versus not doing value
for value as well. Are they

552
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,250
still not? Not? It's?

553
00:37:13,410 --> 00:37:15,510
It's in there. But I think he
said they're gonna keep it in

554
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:21,420
testflight until until we can
get a better on on ramp

555
00:37:21,420 --> 00:37:23,010
experience for ln PE.

556
00:37:23,069 --> 00:37:27,299
Yeah. Did you see what happened
with breeze? data channel close

557
00:37:27,299 --> 00:37:31,829
right now not? Well, they had
that happen? The problem. So

558
00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:37,799
they submitted a new version to
the App Store. And you know,

559
00:37:37,799 --> 00:37:42,389
they're working on the web lm
and ln URL. So it's all part of

560
00:37:42,389 --> 00:37:44,969
kind of the same thing. It's all
these API's that you can use

561
00:37:45,149 --> 00:37:47,639
interacting with a web browser,
which is built into their

562
00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:52,199
product. And if you go to the
app section, all of that is

563
00:37:52,229 --> 00:37:59,549
basically ln URL or web lm. Just
you know, you can't enter a URL

564
00:37:59,549 --> 00:38:01,319
and go somewhere else in the
browser, but it is, for all

565
00:38:01,319 --> 00:38:04,439
intents and purposes, a browser.
And they had added the ln

566
00:38:04,439 --> 00:38:09,299
roulette app as an example.
Yeah, that was not a good idea.

567
00:38:09,929 --> 00:38:13,019
Oh, no gamble rejected it a
Google Play. I'm sorry, Google

568
00:38:13,019 --> 00:38:18,479
Play rejected it. Why? Because
it has a game of chance in there

569
00:38:18,569 --> 00:38:22,679
with paid money. Well, ln
roulette, yeah. It's a great

570
00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:26,009
example of how it works. But you
can't do that according to their

571
00:38:26,009 --> 00:38:28,649
app store rules. And I'm sure
Apple is exactly the same.

572
00:38:30,060 --> 00:38:33,840
I wonder why you say so they
don't allow gambling gambling?

573
00:38:33,870 --> 00:38:35,190
No, no,

574
00:38:35,220 --> 00:38:40,710
not not unless they're getting a
cut, I guess. Hmm. And this was

575
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:44,640
something that there was a tweet
thread. someone asking, Hey,

576
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,670
gonna put value for value in
podcast addict and podcast. I

577
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:50,130
was like, No, we can't do that.
We'll get kicked out of the

578
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,640
Google Play Store. And I said,
well, and here I was like, well

579
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,060
breezes in there. Two days
later, like, I Jinx that shit.

580
00:38:57,810 --> 00:39:01,260
Yeah, good job. Yeah. Sorry,
Roy. I didn't mean I didn't mean

581
00:39:01,260 --> 00:39:07,290
it. Oh, no, that's just what I'm
saying this to say, to point out

582
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,430
that the end is coming. Yeah,
the end is coming with this

583
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:16,290
stuff. And that will be the
final frontier. When we push. We

584
00:39:16,290 --> 00:39:20,910
nudge users towards alternative
operating systems. And Android

585
00:39:20,910 --> 00:39:23,640
is the most obvious case because
it's not all that hard these

586
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:28,200
days to load some alternative
onto your, onto your device. So

587
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:33,330
you can at least get some of the
alternative App Store options

588
00:39:33,330 --> 00:39:37,140
that are out there. Like f droid
and all Yeah, yeah, sure. Well,

589
00:39:37,140 --> 00:39:39,540
there's, and there's even one
that you can use on graphene,

590
00:39:39,540 --> 00:39:45,540
which somehow spoofs like a
Google Play connection and makes

591
00:39:45,540 --> 00:39:48,300
an app that you then use think
that it's connected to Google

592
00:39:48,300 --> 00:39:51,060
Play. I don't use those but it
does work.

593
00:39:52,410 --> 00:39:58,290
You know, so Brees is on iOS.
testflight, though Yeah, True.

594
00:39:58,290 --> 00:40:06,000
True. Is Are there any apps that
are doing lightning payments?

595
00:40:06,570 --> 00:40:10,500
that are on the actual app store
and not in testflight?

596
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,100
Oh, yeah, I believe so. I
believe so. But there's certain

597
00:40:14,100 --> 00:40:18,150
things like blue wallet got
kicked out for essentially the

598
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:21,810
same reason they put in a web
browser. And even a web browser

599
00:40:21,810 --> 00:40:26,460
is a problem. You can't just put
a web browser into an app into

600
00:40:26,460 --> 00:40:31,560
the App Store. You got to jump
through all kinds of hoops and

601
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,820
provide assurances. And I mean,
it's all it's also compromised.

602
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,320
It's, and this is, I was hearing
about, oh, Apple's going to

603
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,800
release iMessage on Android.
Like, you're going to have such

604
00:40:43,830 --> 00:40:46,770
a degraded piece of crap
experience. And this is this

605
00:40:46,770 --> 00:40:49,440
have to understand something
about Apple is never going to be

606
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:54,030
an apple podcast for Android.
Their whole direction now is

607
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:59,220
we're opening this huge vaulted
door for you to come in. And

608
00:40:59,220 --> 00:41:05,670
then you're in and now we're we
are actually I think, I think I

609
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:07,950
have it but I have a sound
effect for that. I like that one

610
00:41:07,950 --> 00:41:13,350
better. No, I like that one. No,
it's not good. No, this this is

611
00:41:13,350 --> 00:41:16,530
what it sounds like once you
enter the apple ecosystem.

612
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,710
And when you go in, Tim Cook is
on the other side of the room

613
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:26,100
with pray hands. Yes, pray
hands. Exactly.

614
00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:33,900
And they are they're promising
you. The AOL model, safety,

615
00:41:34,020 --> 00:41:39,000
security, it's okay, here. Look,
here, these podcasts. They are

616
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:42,450
there's Bitcoin here. They're
safe. There's no Bitcoin. By the

617
00:41:42,450 --> 00:41:46,200
way, this subscription stuff is
getting kind of funny. Because

618
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,080
I'm hearing some producers
starting to moan a little bit

619
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:53,310
like, Okay, I got 15 people
subscribing. And now I actually

620
00:41:53,310 --> 00:41:57,960
have to do this special episode
for them at once a week. Yeah.

621
00:41:58,110 --> 00:42:03,150
And, and and, and you know, that
Patreon has some of those

622
00:42:03,150 --> 00:42:06,540
similar issues, you really do
have to continue because you're

623
00:42:06,540 --> 00:42:10,830
making you're creating a an
agreement to promise to produce

624
00:42:10,830 --> 00:42:13,560
an apple even set up front, you
know, if if you're not

625
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,110
fulfilling your promise of
whatever you said you do for the

626
00:42:16,110 --> 00:42:20,130
subscription, you know, we have
the right to, you know, stop it

627
00:42:20,130 --> 00:42:23,040
and kick you out and flog you
and whatever else.

628
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:27,720
I mean, you know, I've never
done a weekly, I've been on

629
00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:30,480
podcasts every now and then over
the years for just, you know,

630
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,260
one off things once a year,
something like that. Do the

631
00:42:34,260 --> 00:42:38,700
experience of doing this show
with you. doing a podcast every

632
00:42:38,700 --> 00:42:42,870
Friday is a lot of work. Oh,
it's actual work? Yeah, sure.

633
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,500
Yeah, it's not something you
don't just wing it, you have I

634
00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:50,430
mean, I have to sit down every
Thursday night, and collect all,

635
00:42:50,460 --> 00:42:53,640
you know, collect all the all my
papers, collect all my clips,

636
00:42:53,970 --> 00:42:56,640
highlight, I mean, I've just got
a, I've got a stack of

637
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,390
paperwork, and it takes me a
couple of hours, minimum, to

638
00:43:00,390 --> 00:43:03,930
just to bring it together. And
that's in addition to collecting

639
00:43:03,930 --> 00:43:05,970
little bits of information and
writing my thoughts all

640
00:43:05,970 --> 00:43:08,910
throughout the week. I mean, if
you if you're committing to

641
00:43:08,910 --> 00:43:13,050
that, so that you can get a
subscription, maybe you're

642
00:43:13,050 --> 00:43:17,070
committing yourself to a lot of
work. I mean, the other way of

643
00:43:17,070 --> 00:43:20,010
doing it the value for value
model, where you just say, Look,

644
00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:22,650
I'm going to give you my best
effort, and you give me whatever

645
00:43:22,650 --> 00:43:26,520
value you get in return in
response. Man, that's a whole

646
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,950
lot easier than committing up
front.

647
00:43:28,980 --> 00:43:33,000
My experience in general, is if
any, if you know someone say

648
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,820
well, what should I think about
I'm starting a podcast, pick a

649
00:43:35,820 --> 00:43:40,650
day, release your podcast every
single time consistently on that

650
00:43:40,650 --> 00:43:45,210
day, if you can around the same
time. And then the second part

651
00:43:45,210 --> 00:43:50,040
is, get a newsletter together
together. You have to remind

652
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:55,650
people to listen to them. That's
like no agenda. That's a full

653
00:43:55,650 --> 00:43:58,560
time job. It really is. I mean,
I don't know how to do that two

654
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,250
shows a week. Well, six hours a
week. That is so much work. Well

655
00:44:02,250 --> 00:44:07,740
Dave, the reason for that is, in
large part due to you and the 10

656
00:44:07,740 --> 00:44:10,860
years that we work together to
build the freedom controller.

657
00:44:11,310 --> 00:44:16,740
The freedom controller makes my
life possible with this with

658
00:44:16,740 --> 00:44:23,070
what I do. It really does in the
whole all all my shows, but in

659
00:44:23,070 --> 00:44:26,430
particular no agenda. It all
runs through that. It's like

660
00:44:26,430 --> 00:44:31,260
having an extra producer who
just has all the stuff it's you

661
00:44:31,260 --> 00:44:36,300
know, it's all outline base, all
opml you're done with the show,

662
00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:40,260
you flip a switch, it's the show
notes. It's a genius product.

663
00:44:40,260 --> 00:44:45,360
I'm so happy for all five people
who are using it. And that's how

664
00:44:45,390 --> 00:44:47,520
that's how we were we met we
that's what we were working

665
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,540
together. building this product,
if anything is is our legacy.

666
00:44:53,490 --> 00:44:59,970
All five of us are just really
really happy. But that's it.

667
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaking of production tools and
that kind of thing, we have a

668
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:13,980
cast upon instance. Oh, hold on.
Oh, no. What was that? Oh,

669
00:45:16,289 --> 00:45:21,119
I saw the post. I like I'm just
going to be quiet. And and

670
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:25,109
here's here is here's another
magical podcasting 2.0 moment.

671
00:45:25,469 --> 00:45:31,139
So I see Benjamin Benjamin belly
Ben Bellamy, Pat Casta pod. So

672
00:45:31,139 --> 00:45:33,149
he said, okay, what's up
incidence got incidence, and

673
00:45:33,149 --> 00:45:34,769
you're like, put it on,
whatever. So you guys are

674
00:45:34,769 --> 00:45:37,349
working like holy shit we're
getting, we're getting a cast

675
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:41,429
apart. And then I ping you, I
say, can we use this for the

676
00:45:41,429 --> 00:45:45,359
shows? And like, yeah, I'm
importing our feeds right now.

677
00:45:45,539 --> 00:45:48,779
And the next thing you send is a
screenshot, which was just so

678
00:45:48,779 --> 00:45:52,439
beautiful. That said, We're
sorry, the lock tag is in place

679
00:45:52,439 --> 00:45:55,679
on this feed, you know, you need
to change that at the source. We

680
00:45:55,679 --> 00:45:59,489
cannot go onboard you onto this
platform. It was great. It was,

681
00:45:59,729 --> 00:46:04,019
I was like, holy shit, that's so
cool. The first thing we did

682
00:46:04,169 --> 00:46:10,439
works is like the software's
like, go away. Now, let me

683
00:46:10,439 --> 00:46:14,879
actually I want to bring that
up, open up signal here. It was,

684
00:46:14,909 --> 00:46:18,629
it was the actually I liked the
message too, because it could

685
00:46:18,629 --> 00:46:24,509
have just said go away. But it
was the exactly the right tone.

686
00:46:25,769 --> 00:46:27,569
Hold on a second. Let me see.

687
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,930
Yeah, something like you're
gonna have to, you're going to

688
00:46:30,930 --> 00:46:33,930
have to unlock this before we
can go forward or something.

689
00:46:33,930 --> 00:46:34,050
Well,

690
00:46:34,050 --> 00:46:37,440
I wanted to compliment Benjamin
on it, actually, you know,

691
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,470
because sometimes nuances like,
you know, the way I sound in

692
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:45,750
French can be the way a French
man could sound in English, but

693
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:48,990
here it is, this feed is
protected. You cannot import it

694
00:46:49,020 --> 00:46:56,250
if you are the owner unprotect
it on the origin platform. So I

695
00:46:56,250 --> 00:47:00,660
like it in its beauty of it
being not the way a Native

696
00:47:00,750 --> 00:47:04,230
American or English speaker
would would write this, but

697
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:07,800
it's, it has the right balance
of, Hey, you know, this is

698
00:47:07,950 --> 00:47:12,090
safety. And if you're the owner,
we did this for your safety, you

699
00:47:12,090 --> 00:47:15,840
know, take off the condom
unprotected on your original

700
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,770
platform. Yes. Well done.

701
00:47:21,570 --> 00:47:26,700
So he, when I was back and forth
with him set it up, he said, I

702
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:28,920
told him, I was like, Well, you
know, we want to pay, you know,

703
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,260
pay for the hosting or whatever,
you know, whatever is gonna cost

704
00:47:31,260 --> 00:47:35,070
you and he says, he said, Now
the French socialists are paying

705
00:47:35,070 --> 00:47:36,180
for us, and they need to worry.

706
00:47:38,220 --> 00:47:41,610
I always knew socialism and
capitalism could work together.

707
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:46,080
And here we are. Here we are
proving once again. You're not a

708
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:50,370
podcast, you have an RSS feed
and socialist funding. That's

709
00:47:50,370 --> 00:47:57,480
right. Freedom, openness,
socialism. Alright, so where are

710
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,630
we at with that? You said
something set up, obviously.

711
00:48:01,140 --> 00:48:06,120
Yeah, it's, it's set up and then
I know, promptly had to show

712
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,460
prep last night and haven't
touched it. haven't touched it

713
00:48:08,460 --> 00:48:11,760
since. So it's my project for
this weekend. Oh, man, that's

714
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,660
so excited. Because now they
have implemented so many of the

715
00:48:15,660 --> 00:48:18,240
tags, right? I mean, they're,
they're up to date on

716
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:18,720
everything. I

717
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:22,140
think. We said he couldn't give
it to us before now. Because

718
00:48:22,140 --> 00:48:25,290
they did a big they did like a
refactoring. Like a big rewrite.

719
00:48:25,290 --> 00:48:28,800
I saw that. Yeah, yeah. So he
said, it should be good now and

720
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,310
moving forward, they'll have
like ease, it'll be much more

721
00:48:32,310 --> 00:48:35,820
easily able to upgrade it. So
cool.

722
00:48:36,300 --> 00:48:41,610
I am so excited and so thankful.
This is since we started this

723
00:48:41,610 --> 00:48:44,880
project, the biggest frustration
which I got over and you know,

724
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,840
Martin jumped in with the RSS
generator was that we couldn't I

725
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,540
couldn't eat our own dog food
like I need to be doing this

726
00:48:51,540 --> 00:48:55,110
need to be creating this stuff.
And I think just the hard

727
00:48:55,110 --> 00:48:59,160
pushing is what God is the
chapter creations and you know,

728
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,850
Mitch over there. I'm sorry,
David had hyper catcher and

729
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,300
hyper catcher studio. And then
of course my true evil plan,

730
00:49:06,300 --> 00:49:09,600
which was no these have to be
community chapters. Community

731
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,780
being the word for Who can I
trick into doing this format

732
00:49:12,780 --> 00:49:16,680
dribs Dred Scott, who's throwing
man he's now he's doing

733
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:22,860
Photoshop work. He's got I saw
the rooster. Miami, Rooster art

734
00:49:22,860 --> 00:49:26,700
pop up this. This is what I
mean. This is so cool. I love

735
00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:31,920
this ad thinking that and you
tell me if I'm wrong, but I'm

736
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:38,070
thinking that drips God can turn
chapter curation into a full

737
00:49:38,070 --> 00:49:42,270
time job into a business.
Absolutely. He could do that for

738
00:49:42,270 --> 00:49:46,860
like 20 different podcasts as a
freelancer and probably make

739
00:49:47,490 --> 00:49:48,960
good money doing it.

740
00:49:49,049 --> 00:49:52,949
Well, wasn't it wasn't a Tim
from Ellen pay, who said who's

741
00:49:52,949 --> 00:49:57,749
Dred Scott? No, no, no, he said
who's Neal Jones that's how Neal

742
00:49:57,749 --> 00:50:00,839
Jones right but but they both
have the same Same amount.

743
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,630
interests like, Hey, who's this
Neal Jones guy? He is getting

744
00:50:03,630 --> 00:50:07,290
some serious simplicity. He has
some serious as a clue custodian

745
00:50:07,500 --> 00:50:13,080
over no agenda. He's like that
guy's making bank. Oh, God. No,

746
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,780
I think Dred Scott, though, I
mean, that's for real like you

747
00:50:15,780 --> 00:50:19,110
can this is a new. So this is a
new I mean, obviously okay

748
00:50:19,110 --> 00:50:22,500
chapters aren't new. But the
idea of being able to cloud,

749
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:28,440
your cloud based chapters where
you can edit them without having

750
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:32,730
to touch the audio file, you can
edit them as a separate entity

751
00:50:32,970 --> 00:50:37,320
that is new is this is this that
I was using this term now cloud

752
00:50:37,350 --> 00:50:43,080
chapters, because this is
something that I like it to add,

753
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,510
because it's trendy. I mean,
cloud,

754
00:50:45,780 --> 00:50:51,330
why don't we say blockchain
chapters? Yeah. It's d phi

755
00:50:51,330 --> 00:50:56,700
chapter. Yeah. Oh, by the way.
The one other thing I just want

756
00:50:56,700 --> 00:51:00,750
to say before I forget, I know
that Roy told us that Brees is

757
00:51:00,750 --> 00:51:03,930
working on integrating matrix
chat, there seems to be some

758
00:51:03,930 --> 00:51:08,070
consensus amongst the group.
Let's push this, if we can show

759
00:51:08,220 --> 00:51:12,900
that we have chat, comment,
whatever the feature is, between

760
00:51:12,900 --> 00:51:17,520
podcast apps, we win, we win
much quicker than the podcast

761
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:22,680
versus netcast war, we win,
connecting our apps makes us

762
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:28,800
win. And that would be so
beautiful. Yes. Amazing. And I

763
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,490
even saw someone say that you
couldn't incorporate a payment

764
00:51:32,490 --> 00:51:35,910
in a matrix message. I don't
even care. Let's just if we can

765
00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:42,000
do the cross app communication,
when that has when written all

766
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,780
over it for everybody. And I
think it's easy. You know, if

767
00:51:45,780 --> 00:51:48,270
the server needs to be set up,
I'm speaking on your behalf

768
00:51:48,270 --> 00:51:51,360
Dave, but I'm sure you agree.
We'll set up a server, it

769
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:56,160
whatever needs to be done. This
is an incredibly, this would

770
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,920
blow. This is our summer
project. As far as I'm

771
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,100
concerned, we got a lot of
things in the hopper. But if we

772
00:52:02,100 --> 00:52:07,620
can kind of and I'm talking to
the app developers, I think it's

773
00:52:07,620 --> 00:52:11,880
something that is very doable.
And you come out of the habit of

774
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,030
apple or Spotify, they're all
going on vacation. This is what

775
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:20,220
I always liked about MTV. During
the summer, when there was just

776
00:52:20,220 --> 00:52:22,920
no television, it was all
reruns. And now it's hard to

777
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,460
imagine for some of you, but it
was rerun, rerun, rerun, and was

778
00:52:26,460 --> 00:52:29,820
boring that Saturday Night Live
would be rerun. And MTV just

779
00:52:29,820 --> 00:52:35,130
went full hardcore with spring
break, obviously. But just

780
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:39,090
whatever we could do special
programming, special features,

781
00:52:39,090 --> 00:52:42,360
whatever it was during the
summer, and radio stations do

782
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,780
that too. You know, it's a very
popular thing to do with

783
00:52:46,050 --> 00:52:49,530
scrappier industries, because
you get people's attention when

784
00:52:49,530 --> 00:52:50,880
it's there for the taking.

785
00:52:51,540 --> 00:52:56,040
You push when you push hard when
the other guys are taking a nap

786
00:52:56,070 --> 00:53:00,240
exactly when they're out on Long
Island. Exactly. Yeah. I like

787
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:05,220
Exactly. Like it will spin up a
snap server. I think that's what

788
00:53:05,220 --> 00:53:08,340
they're they're sort of
official, quote unquote,

789
00:53:08,940 --> 00:53:11,730
implement reference
implementation of matrix. Yeah.

790
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,700
Maybe we can figure out how to
get the figure out how to get

791
00:53:14,700 --> 00:53:15,690
the EU to pay for it.

792
00:53:16,590 --> 00:53:20,790
Well, speaking of the EU, and I
have a little bit of a gripe

793
00:53:20,850 --> 00:53:27,300
with the well, with Cridland
specifically, I think was

794
00:53:27,300 --> 00:53:31,170
journal journalism in general.
Well, James had a question. I

795
00:53:31,170 --> 00:53:35,940
think Sam Sethi may have been in
this as well, about a license

796
00:53:35,940 --> 00:53:44,070
tag for content included in the
podcast. And I, you know, I

797
00:53:44,130 --> 00:53:47,280
initially I think we talked
about this on, and we talked

798
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,730
about this on a previous show.
Yeah, with the license tag.

799
00:53:50,730 --> 00:53:55,650
Yeah, yeah. So I initially
misunderstood. And the reason

800
00:53:55,650 --> 00:53:59,910
why, and this is something that
is just my personal gripe, if

801
00:53:59,910 --> 00:54:03,660
you're doing a story, because
that's what this was, that James

802
00:54:03,660 --> 00:54:07,230
was paying attention to thinking
about or actively writing a

803
00:54:07,230 --> 00:54:12,060
story about the new GDPR
regulations that went into

804
00:54:12,060 --> 00:54:14,880
effect in the EU. Oh, yeah,
heard about that about the

805
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,360
music's right. So instead of
saying, Hey, you know,

806
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:23,250
something's changing, here's
what's changing. Here's a

807
00:54:23,250 --> 00:54:27,690
possible solution, coming to the
group and saying, Can we do

808
00:54:27,690 --> 00:54:31,950
this? I just wasted everyone's
time. Because I didn't know

809
00:54:31,950 --> 00:54:33,930
this. I didn't know that this
was changing. And what is

810
00:54:33,930 --> 00:54:38,760
changing is the liability of
copyright. If and so let's just

811
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:43,500
say music. It could be anything.
If a podcast uses music in its

812
00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:49,470
podcast, then the hosting
platform, the holster will be

813
00:54:49,470 --> 00:54:54,420
liable for that. And the idea is
not just Hey, we issue a

814
00:54:54,420 --> 00:54:58,770
takedown, you've got to take it
down. You really need to scan

815
00:54:58,770 --> 00:55:02,190
these things beforehand. To make
sure it never goes up, which

816
00:55:02,430 --> 00:55:06,270
would increase costs and, and
really fuck everything over.

817
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,720
Because the systems, you know,
they'll pick up anything. I

818
00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:12,660
could be singing happy birthday
and you know that's licensed.

819
00:55:13,170 --> 00:55:17,190
Yeah. So that's just a slight
gripe, if you're working on a

820
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:21,450
story now I promise I won't run
to to another outlet and say

821
00:55:21,450 --> 00:55:26,280
I've got a great story. Help us
understand because I now there's

822
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,280
more to think about. Now I have
some context around the

823
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,740
question. Okay, because now I
hear all done. I've been talking

824
00:55:31,740 --> 00:55:33,240
about like, I didn't know this

825
00:55:34,050 --> 00:55:37,170
was I didn't understand that
either. Until I think I was

826
00:55:37,170 --> 00:55:38,910
listening to pod land last
night. Yeah,

827
00:55:38,910 --> 00:55:41,940
we got it. Yes. What? And I
heard it on the new media show

828
00:55:41,940 --> 00:55:43,650
as well. Okay.

829
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,640
Yeah. Yeah, no, I didn't
understand. I don't see how

830
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:48,180
that's

831
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,720
irrelevant how that's
enforceable? Well, it's

832
00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:56,370
irrelevant. It tells us one
thing, there is only one way out

833
00:55:56,370 --> 00:56:00,630
of this. And it's important
because I want our partners in

834
00:56:00,630 --> 00:56:05,340
crime to hear this. The
alternate enclosure, which is

835
00:56:05,340 --> 00:56:09,030
now completed and even
implemented, I think will become

836
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:16,110
more important than ever, with
undisrupted gL posting

837
00:56:16,110 --> 00:56:21,420
solutions, such as IP Fs,
because it's not about being a

838
00:56:21,420 --> 00:56:25,680
pirate. It's about being
harassed. It's about the

839
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,590
harassment that will go to
hosting companies that will go

840
00:56:28,590 --> 00:56:33,960
to podcasters. You know, and
we've seen AWS, you know,

841
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,540
someone complained about
something on a page that I that

842
00:56:36,540 --> 00:56:39,960
I was hosting in a bucket. And
you know, it's a whole Hey,

843
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,750
what's this problem? You know,
is it bad content you're linking

844
00:56:42,750 --> 00:56:46,800
to or whatever, these things
will happen. And eventually,

845
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,310
they can go all the way up or
down the network stack, and they

846
00:56:50,310 --> 00:56:53,940
can take you down, except if we
have something that you just

847
00:56:53,940 --> 00:56:55,170
kind of can't take down.

848
00:56:57,300 --> 00:57:03,930
Play. Todd, alternate enclosure,
no support yet. And this is from

849
00:57:05,070 --> 00:57:08,460
Todd on the meteor show. You
know, they just approved the alt

850
00:57:08,490 --> 00:57:13,320
enclosure tag yesterday.
finalized it. I you know, I

851
00:57:13,470 --> 00:57:17,130
don't know where I sit with that
one to be kind honest. Yeah.

852
00:57:18,180 --> 00:57:22,080
because nothing's supporting it.
There's no, not an app. Well,

853
00:57:22,110 --> 00:57:25,020
maybe some of these apps that
you're talking about, but you

854
00:57:25,020 --> 00:57:29,160
know, there's not a lot of
support out there for it. Oh,

855
00:57:29,250 --> 00:57:34,500
I'm so sad to hear this. I don't
like I mean, that's, that's

856
00:57:34,500 --> 00:57:37,680
what's kept us back for over a
decade Todd.

857
00:57:38,730 --> 00:57:45,930
The everything new doesn't have
support yet. But very quickly,

858
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:53,730
pod LP, then podcast addict,
peer tube, Martin net pot

859
00:57:53,730 --> 00:57:57,780
friend. They're all this is this
is this is happening.

860
00:57:57,810 --> 00:58:00,810
This is happening. Yes, very
fast. And we have content

861
00:58:00,810 --> 00:58:04,650
creation. James Cridland himself
has used it in a different

862
00:58:04,650 --> 00:58:07,920
fashion but with alternate
alternate bandwidth levels,

863
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,500
which is one of the reasons he
pushed for it and very

864
00:58:10,500 --> 00:58:11,430
appreciative of that.

865
00:58:12,330 --> 00:58:16,350
Yeah, I think I was disappointed
to hear it to hear that because

866
00:58:16,350 --> 00:58:18,270
that that is not

867
00:58:18,450 --> 00:58:21,360
as defeatist man that's
defeatist. You're Navy man,

868
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,630
Todd, come on. Snap to it,
sailor.

869
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,840
Okay, so play Todd, ultimate
enclosure, five different feeds.

870
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,120
And this is just a
misunderstanding that I want to

871
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,180
correct. You know, we've done
we've been down this road

872
00:58:36,180 --> 00:58:37,950
before, it's like we're
reinventing the wheel. I

873
00:58:37,950 --> 00:58:43,200
remember when I had a, our, our
version of this show on my show,

874
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:49,170
a bit torrent version of my
show, I two versions of mp3 for

875
00:58:49,170 --> 00:58:54,570
my show. So I had five feeds,
right, with five different

876
00:58:54,570 --> 00:58:56,850
versions of the show, and you
know, how much work that was?

877
00:58:58,260 --> 00:59:00,660
Just to publish them all? Yeah,
you know, is,

878
00:59:01,260 --> 00:59:05,220
you know, re encode re encode re
encode didn't get, you know, get

879
00:59:05,220 --> 00:59:07,380
a bit torn up, get a tracker
started.

880
00:59:09,060 --> 00:59:13,830
Yet, so this, this is this is a
mess. He is misunderstanding

881
00:59:13,830 --> 00:59:14,910
what this tag is?

882
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,220
What actually fixes that very
problem.

883
00:59:17,310 --> 00:59:21,060
Yes, this tag fixes that whole
issue. You don't have to have

884
00:59:21,060 --> 00:59:27,210
five feeds anymore. You You have
one feed, in within every

885
00:59:27,540 --> 00:59:32,460
episode, you can list multiple
alternate enclosures. One of

886
00:59:32,460 --> 00:59:36,420
them could be a bit torn, one of
them can be a low bandwidth, one

887
00:59:36,420 --> 00:59:39,750
of them could be a video, one of
them, and one of them could be

888
00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:44,100
an alternate language on on and
on and on the the so that solves

889
00:59:44,100 --> 00:59:46,290
Problem number one, you don't
have to have separate feeds.

890
00:59:46,530 --> 00:59:52,710
Problem number two, the reencode
reencode is easily solved these

891
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:55,830
days. That's not a technical
hurdle. And that's not a manual

892
00:59:55,830 --> 01:00:00,540
process anymore. You could you
can create an engine Cridland is

893
01:00:00,540 --> 01:00:01,380
doing this right now.

894
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:05,040
From Hindenburg, it outputs that
stuff almost automatically, I

895
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:05,460
think,

896
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,120
yeah. Or you could have into
your CMS workflow, you could

897
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:13,080
have a pipeline, that when you
drop the file in there, it spits

898
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,470
out it uses FFmpeg, or some
other scriptable, audio

899
01:00:16,500 --> 01:00:20,250
transcoder to just automatically
populate those things that is

900
01:00:20,250 --> 01:00:26,700
just not a problem anymore. And
platforms like St. St. Without

901
01:00:26,700 --> 01:00:33,750
BFS, our, our weekly feed dump
for ipfs. I don't I never touch

902
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:38,370
it. It's an as an automated
process, it it, dumps everything

903
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:43,890
out of the database, and then
goes through and generates the

904
01:00:43,890 --> 01:00:48,840
sequel lite file on the fly, and
then automatically publishes it

905
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:52,680
to ipfs then automatically pins
it to ipns. That is a complete

906
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,500
as a cron job doesn't make you
never doesn't make your coffee

907
01:00:55,500 --> 01:01:01,350
after that. I love cron jobs
that end with coffee. Yeah,

908
01:01:01,380 --> 01:01:06,120
it's, it's a beautiful thing.
And then at the end of it, you

909
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,210
know, every the whole world gets
a podcast database. And how

910
01:01:09,210 --> 01:01:13,140
many, how many gigabytes is
that? Oh, it's got to be over a

911
01:01:13,140 --> 01:01:13,710
gig now.

912
01:01:13,770 --> 01:01:16,560
And we have no idea how many
accesses that gets or anything

913
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,920
other than people complaining
when it doesn't work. Once a

914
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:26,340
month, the ipfs daemon crashes,
and reboots. So no, this is not

915
01:01:26,340 --> 01:01:29,970
a problem. But I'm, I'm famous
for being 10 years too early,

916
01:01:29,970 --> 01:01:33,060
which is why I'm not a
billionaire, but I'm very happy

917
01:01:33,390 --> 01:01:41,400
man. hosting companies will have
to provide this type of

918
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:48,150
solution. And and I'm just
saying, Be prepared there. Apple

919
01:01:48,150 --> 01:01:51,480
and Spotify are hosting
privately their take, they are

920
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:55,050
going to try and take people
away. And then the regulation is

921
01:01:55,050 --> 01:01:58,590
coming at us from the other end.
So it will be better just to at

922
01:01:58,590 --> 01:02:03,030
least remain the the the tool
people, which is really where

923
01:02:03,030 --> 01:02:07,620
most of the focus goes now is
you know, oh, it's libsyn five,

924
01:02:07,620 --> 01:02:12,480
it's captivate two, whatever
everyone's doing, with

925
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,900
buzzsprout, picking that up very
clearly, from the beginning.

926
01:02:16,260 --> 01:02:20,040
Like more tools, more tools,
make it easy, get all the stuff

927
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,470
in there, I wasn't even
listening to the captivate guys,

928
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:24,180
you know, they're they're
looking at what they call

929
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,470
telling stories around data,
which is a nice way of saying

930
01:02:28,620 --> 01:02:31,470
analytics statistics,
understanding what you're doing.

931
01:02:31,500 --> 01:02:34,920
So these are all very valuable
things that you're creating,

932
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:38,910
don't hold on to the hosting
part, make, let's let's get some

933
01:02:38,910 --> 01:02:41,460
of this stuff going. Honestly, I

934
01:02:41,460 --> 01:02:47,760
think the first post to come out
of the gate and not, and come up

935
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:53,760
with a way to not charge for
hosting is going to be a big

936
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,940
win. Because then you can drop,
then you can drop your prize,

937
01:02:57,150 --> 01:03:01,320
still have an incredible tool
set, and CMS production pipeline

938
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:07,590
for podcasting. And you can beat
people on price. So you know, if

939
01:03:07,590 --> 01:03:11,640
you have a way to sort of take
the hosting element out of it,

940
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,760
like you could say, and what I
mean by that is I'm going to

941
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:18,840
describe something, let's just
say that I know. RSS comm

942
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,810
they're big on microservices,
they've renamed engineered their

943
01:03:21,810 --> 01:03:27,180
whole system to use a, you know,
a modern, published modern

944
01:03:27,210 --> 01:03:34,110
framework internally. And so
let's just imagine that, that

945
01:03:34,530 --> 01:03:42,900
they created a look, another
tier of podcasting, where you

946
01:03:42,990 --> 01:03:47,370
can say, okay, for this class of
customer, they're going to put

947
01:03:47,370 --> 01:03:51,660
their stuff on ipfs and
distributed that way. Or some

948
01:03:51,660 --> 01:03:57,840
other or web torrent or some
other medium protocol. And we're

949
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,600
not going to charge them hosting
fees because they're we're not

950
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,060
hosting their files and using
that, but we're going to charge

951
01:04:03,060 --> 01:04:07,230
them eight bucks a month for the
for the tools and the CMS in the

952
01:04:07,230 --> 01:04:08,250
past. It's also the biggest

953
01:04:08,250 --> 01:04:11,700
complaint I see if people saying
Well, those guys charged by the

954
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,300
amount of time those guards just
charged by storage, those guys

955
01:04:15,300 --> 01:04:18,720
charged by amount transferred.
It's the number one complaint

956
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:22,050
it's always the because the more
successful you are, the more you

957
01:04:22,050 --> 01:04:23,910
have to pay people hate that.

958
01:04:24,779 --> 01:04:33,239
Anybody can roll like I can roll
a min IO server today and store

959
01:04:33,239 --> 01:04:37,769
our mp3 is in there. But and
then, but the problem and that

960
01:04:37,769 --> 01:04:40,409
takes care of all the you know
have cheap bandwidth at that

961
01:04:40,409 --> 01:04:43,499
point. But then you don't have a
toolset. You don't have a

962
01:04:43,499 --> 01:04:46,589
production pipeline or work
right. Right. So you still want

963
01:04:46,589 --> 01:04:49,979
to pay for something that that's
the value. Yes, the the store

964
01:04:49,979 --> 01:04:53,639
the file storage is
commoditized. The value that

965
01:04:53,639 --> 01:04:54,959
people get is from the toolset.

966
01:04:54,990 --> 01:05:01,620
Everybody has their own USP how
they want to present it Yeah, I

967
01:05:01,620 --> 01:05:07,170
mean to me, you know, is there
an equivalent on linode? Or? Or

968
01:05:07,170 --> 01:05:10,890
maybe? I should probably just
stay out of this. I mean, it

969
01:05:10,890 --> 01:05:13,740
seems like Casta pod is such a
beautiful solution if you could

970
01:05:13,740 --> 01:05:18,750
give like, the jeans mom setup.
Yeah, yeah. Which is probably

971
01:05:18,750 --> 01:05:21,990
just not gonna happen. Yeah, you
need to you need to work for

972
01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:23,820
freedom. It's geeky.

973
01:05:23,850 --> 01:05:26,790
Yeah, yeah. It's geeky that man,
it's like the Dave Jackson,

974
01:05:26,820 --> 01:05:29,640
lightning node. I mean, can you
get to work for us? You know,

975
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:32,700
with the whole on your own your
own system, you know?

976
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:38,220
Yes. Also, we now have a big
channel that we've opened to

977
01:05:39,300 --> 01:05:44,940
Ellen pay. Lightning channel, lm
pay has an even bigger channel

978
01:05:44,940 --> 01:05:49,710
to breeze. So this is this is
where some of your donations are

979
01:05:49,710 --> 01:05:53,220
going towards not the money is
not gone. But we've essentially

980
01:05:53,220 --> 01:05:56,160
locked it up in liquidity to
help. And we're setting this,

981
01:05:56,190 --> 01:06:00,690
you know, the fees to zero. So
we can just get people's stuff

982
01:06:00,690 --> 01:06:08,160
flowing easier. And that's great
on that note. Yes, we should

983
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:09,390
probably thank people for that.

984
01:06:10,020 --> 01:06:15,000
Yeah. Okay. Wait, let me get my
donations here. I forgot. Oh,

985
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,810
Todd. That's what I meant by all
those things. Is that if this

986
01:06:18,810 --> 01:06:21,900
thing solves your problem, yes.
Alternate enclosure solves your

987
01:06:21,900 --> 01:06:30,240
problem. So you should be a fan.
Same Same goes for pod Ping. Oh,

988
01:06:30,900 --> 01:06:39,720
yeah, I sent a sent a email to
pod bean. To get the lady's

989
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:43,770
name. Now. I said, Daniel J.
Lewis got get me a contact over

990
01:06:43,770 --> 01:06:46,260
there and checked it out. And he
said she's fine with you just

991
01:06:46,260 --> 01:06:50,160
send an email, send an email to
her about pod paying long email

992
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,730
and explaining everything how it
worked. Earlier in the week in

993
01:06:54,060 --> 01:06:55,140
radio silence. So

994
01:06:56,250 --> 01:07:01,350
how about how about NPR? Are
they? I know they have a key to

995
01:07:01,350 --> 01:07:05,760
do it. Every Seattle? No. Have
we seen them ping yet? Not yet.

996
01:07:06,030 --> 01:07:10,500
Oh my god, that'd be so cool. I
mean, pod ping dot watch is no,

997
01:07:10,500 --> 01:07:13,170
of course. It's not the entire
ecosystem. But there's a lot of

998
01:07:13,380 --> 01:07:17,370
active feeds on on the top hosts
that we already have, who are

999
01:07:17,370 --> 01:07:20,610
implementing this, but that's so
fun to watch. And we just add

1000
01:07:20,610 --> 01:07:23,820
some NPR spice in there that I
would feel so good.

1001
01:07:24,210 --> 01:07:27,180
Is the is the fish tank of
podcast? Yes. And it's the

1002
01:07:27,180 --> 01:07:34,680
future. The future. Let's see
who got here. Ah, right off the

1003
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:38,490
gate. I mean, what is it right
off the bat? I mean, Dave

1004
01:07:38,490 --> 01:07:44,460
Jackson School of podcasting.
$50 Oh, really? He doesn't. He

1005
01:07:44,460 --> 01:07:44,910
said,

1006
01:07:44,970 --> 01:07:49,890
it's like getting paid. You go
on their show and they pay you

1007
01:07:49,890 --> 01:07:53,820
That's good. Well, they pay they
pay the project. That's that's

1008
01:07:53,820 --> 01:07:55,350
really the the beauty of it.

1009
01:07:55,830 --> 01:07:58,560
Thanks to Adam for coming on the
School of podcasting and today

1010
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:01,380
for helping a crypto clueless
dude navigate the waters of

1011
01:08:01,380 --> 01:08:05,310
podcasting. 2.0 when I record
the audio version of my book

1012
01:08:05,310 --> 01:08:08,370
profit from your podcast, this
will be bonus content go

1013
01:08:08,370 --> 01:08:15,360
podcast. Oh, very nice. Yeah,
I'm, I'm talking to Dave in a

1014
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,880
couple hours. Actually. We're
doing the episode. You doing it

1015
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:23,010
today? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. You get
a for Friday, my friend. Yeah.

1016
01:08:23,010 --> 01:08:28,920
And then tomorrow I'm doing Tom
woods. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, I've

1017
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:32,070
been on there and a couple
years. Yeah. And then on Monday,

1018
01:08:32,100 --> 01:08:36,870
Michael malice. Michael malice.
That's a new one. Well been on

1019
01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:37,680
there beforehand. No,

1020
01:08:37,710 --> 01:08:40,530
I have not. I have not we've
we've banded back and forth for

1021
01:08:40,530 --> 01:08:44,430
years, I think and we finally
got a coordinated and he's got a

1022
01:08:44,430 --> 01:08:49,140
huge audience. So no, does he
know Yeah, yeah. Yeah. When I

1023
01:08:49,140 --> 01:08:54,450
said Michael malice, Tina, when
she if she knows, she knows what

1024
01:08:54,510 --> 01:08:57,210
was What's happening? Is she
cheating on the poor boy with

1025
01:08:57,210 --> 01:08:59,880
Michael malice? You know, the
poor boys fall out of favor a

1026
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:02,850
little bit. But she she likes to
show me his empire that he's

1027
01:09:02,850 --> 01:09:07,410
building because he is he is
understanding that he has to

1028
01:09:07,410 --> 01:09:12,750
change his ways. And he's going
a value for value route. Not

1029
01:09:12,750 --> 01:09:17,850
with open, open support, you
know that you determine the

1030
01:09:17,850 --> 01:09:22,800
value yourself. So that's Yeah,
I know. And I know people have

1031
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:26,520
told him value for value. And
many people have said, you know,

1032
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,850
get out of on the show and I'm
not getting invited. So I don't

1033
01:09:29,850 --> 01:09:33,120
know why. Maybe I'm not
interesting for him. They don't

1034
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:37,410
like you. possum. I can't be
liked by everybody. Oh, and of

1035
01:09:37,410 --> 01:09:40,470
course the RT were there with
Max that aired on television.

1036
01:09:40,470 --> 01:09:44,400
Yes. That was that was a great
segment. That was really good.

1037
01:09:44,430 --> 01:09:47,250
Thank you. It's got a little
messy at the end. I realized

1038
01:09:47,250 --> 01:09:50,850
because the sound was so loud
there but it wasn't loud in my

1039
01:09:50,910 --> 01:09:54,480
through the lav mic. It sounded
like I was yelling a lot or

1040
01:09:54,480 --> 01:09:58,620
speaking very loudly and get
that at all. Well, it was really

1041
01:09:58,620 --> 01:10:01,320
good. Well, here's how it works
in the current household. So

1042
01:10:01,350 --> 01:10:03,840
we're watching this and I say,
Oh, this is pretty good. And oh,

1043
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,060
look, I didn't have as much
Tourette's as usual. Okay, that

1044
01:10:06,060 --> 01:10:11,340
looks pretty good. And then
Okay, Han yelling a little bit.

1045
01:10:11,550 --> 01:10:15,420
And then Tina will say, Yeah,
I'd like to review this with

1046
01:10:15,420 --> 01:10:18,090
you. We'll just walk through it
and talk about some of the

1047
01:10:18,090 --> 01:10:20,910
points if you're hitting on all
the, as I said, I think you can

1048
01:10:20,910 --> 01:10:23,400
even you know, bring it together
a little more. She knows what

1049
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:27,150
she's talking about. You get a
you get an employee performance

1050
01:10:27,150 --> 01:10:31,260
evaluation is what you get on
the spot. That's right here. I'm

1051
01:10:31,260 --> 01:10:34,290
getting a review. But it's meant
to improve my performance. So

1052
01:10:34,290 --> 01:10:37,140
I'm happy. I'm happy it will
make everything better. But I

1053
01:10:37,140 --> 01:10:41,940
agree. It was it came out of my
mouth. Better than usual.

1054
01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:49,230
The Yeah, no, I thought his WHAT
HE WAS MAC started going off on

1055
01:10:49,230 --> 01:10:53,880
to algorithmic music and how
they're like, yeah, that gave me

1056
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,190
a bright red jacket right into
your brain. That's

1057
01:10:56,190 --> 01:10:59,130
right. had to take him we're not
No, we're gonna do this value

1058
01:10:59,130 --> 01:11:02,190
block splits just to get me away
from the mind control. It's

1059
01:11:02,190 --> 01:11:03,840
wrong show max wrong show.

1060
01:11:04,050 --> 01:11:09,240
But I liked it though. Of
course, the drag me. I was right

1061
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:13,800
on board as I Oh, yeah. Oh,
okay. But thank you, Dave

1062
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:20,040
Jackson. Yeah. Joshua Britton
gave us $50. no note from

1063
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:25,200
Joshua. I can't find one. Thank
you very much, Joshua. Well, no,

1064
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,260
no, no. That was completely
wrong. I do have a note from

1065
01:11:28,260 --> 01:11:33,330
Joshua. I get my papers
backwards. Okay. Joshua did

1066
01:11:33,330 --> 01:11:38,280
write us a note. He addresses it
to the members of the board. Oh,

1067
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:43,620
no. Pay attention. today. After
hearing that episode 81 of Brett

1068
01:11:43,620 --> 01:11:47,190
Weinstein's Dark Horse podcast
was removed from YouTube. I

1069
01:11:47,190 --> 01:11:51,840
didn't hear about that. Yes, as
Doug was talking sense, okay.

1070
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:55,200
I'm not sure I know. I've heard
this name a bunch wants to Bret

1071
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:56,400
Weinstein, but I don't know who
it is.

1072
01:11:56,429 --> 01:12:00,209
Well, he was the guy at Western
University who got run out of

1073
01:12:00,209 --> 01:12:03,929
the university because he
refused to go away on blacks

1074
01:12:03,929 --> 01:12:09,659
only day. And, and so he and his
wife Heather, who's also a

1075
01:12:09,659 --> 01:12:14,879
professor, Doctor, whatever,
they do a very, it's very

1076
01:12:14,879 --> 01:12:17,909
intellectual. But they do get to
the root of a lot of things. And

1077
01:12:17,909 --> 01:12:22,799
so here he was talking about,
he's a evil evolution, no

1078
01:12:22,829 --> 01:12:28,259
biologists, professors. He does
understand stuff like virology.

1079
01:12:28,679 --> 01:12:31,019
And so he had another guy on
they were talking about

1080
01:12:31,619 --> 01:12:35,069
ivermectin and
hydroxychloroquine. Oh, no. So

1081
01:12:35,069 --> 01:12:38,549
that had to be removed from
YouTube. Now, is he the guy they

1082
01:12:38,549 --> 01:12:43,799
get run out of clubhouse? Yes,
yes. Yeah. He's a little

1083
01:12:43,799 --> 01:12:48,839
pretentious. He and his wife and
they talk like this, like, Well,

1084
01:12:48,839 --> 01:12:51,929
you know, obviously is this is
how it goes in biology. Right.

1085
01:12:52,169 --> 01:13:01,049
And I was right when I was that
I have such a little tolerance

1086
01:13:01,049 --> 01:13:04,709
for that. In Okay, well, there's
an audience Dave, there's an

1087
01:13:04,709 --> 01:13:05,039
audience.

1088
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:10,560
He was removed from YouTube, as
he predicted as I decided to

1089
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:14,010
grab a copy of the mp3 on my
computer. First, I googled the

1090
01:13:14,010 --> 01:13:18,120
podcast. First results Apple
podcast, dead end. Second

1091
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:22,680
result, his website, as selected
episodes featured and note, full

1092
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:25,410
episodes are available on
YouTube, or on your favorite

1093
01:13:25,410 --> 01:13:29,280
podcast app. Sure, I could use
everyone's favorite command line

1094
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,520
program, YouTube, YouTube dl and
rip the audio out of the video.

1095
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:34,890
But unfortunately,
unfortunately, what brought me

1096
01:13:34,890 --> 01:13:38,760
here was the deletion from
YouTube itself. Finally, Google,

1097
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:42,930
Dark Horse podcast URL. And pod
bean was kind enough to provide

1098
01:13:42,930 --> 01:13:47,250
me the link to the RSS. Out of
curiosity. I plugged the Dark

1099
01:13:47,250 --> 01:13:50,340
Horse into podcast indexes
search, and of course it pops

1100
01:13:50,340 --> 01:13:56,250
right up and eventually even a
clickable copy URL button. Thank

1101
01:13:56,250 --> 01:14:01,830
you, CSB. Yes, is presented. It
amazes me the links to which

1102
01:14:01,860 --> 01:14:05,790
walled gardens and perpich are
perpetuated by the podcasters

1103
01:14:05,790 --> 01:14:10,980
themselves. Thank you for your
service to the community. If I

1104
01:14:10,980 --> 01:14:14,400
could ask, what happens when a
centralized shit coin like hive

1105
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,530
goes to put is the
infrastructure.

1106
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:22,290
Exactly what you'd expect.
That's exactly what you'd

1107
01:14:22,290 --> 01:14:25,770
expect. In that case, we have to
fork said shit coin into

1108
01:14:25,890 --> 01:14:29,640
shittier shit coin and run our
own shitty shit version of that

1109
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:34,560
shit coin. But yeah, it seems
pretty good. I don't think

1110
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:37,380
people are really making money
off of the hive. I think it

1111
01:14:37,380 --> 01:14:41,910
seems like it's more of a token
than a coin is my feeling.

1112
01:14:42,450 --> 01:14:45,690
The answer, Josh is we have a
plan. Yeah, well, we have a

1113
01:14:45,690 --> 01:14:48,840
plan. There you go. We don't
know what it is yet. But we have

1114
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:49,140
a play.

1115
01:14:49,290 --> 01:14:52,110
I saw a number of people
tweeting Brett Weinstein saying

1116
01:14:52,140 --> 01:14:57,660
bro value for value streaming
SATs, by the way if Yes, go

1117
01:14:57,660 --> 01:14:57,930
ahead and

1118
01:14:57,930 --> 01:15:00,450
but he probably won't do it
because I agree. with Josh

1119
01:15:00,450 --> 01:15:03,480
Bregman here, he says, It amazes
me the lengths to which walled

1120
01:15:03,480 --> 01:15:06,120
gardens are perpetuated by the
podcasters themselves.

1121
01:15:07,650 --> 01:15:11,250
to ourselves, that's right. Sell
for my emulation or something

1122
01:15:11,250 --> 01:15:15,270
like that. Yeah, whatever they
call it thing. By the way, if

1123
01:15:15,270 --> 01:15:19,050
you're listening to these notes
and thinking crap, I should have

1124
01:15:19,050 --> 01:15:21,390
donated what kind of heel am I?

1125
01:15:21,870 --> 01:15:25,800
Here's your cue to boost. You
know you want to

1126
01:15:26,250 --> 01:15:29,970
There you go. Just boost us.
Just as happy with that. We'll

1127
01:15:29,970 --> 01:15:33,300
take your SATs. Thank you very
much for supporting podcasting

1128
01:15:33,300 --> 01:15:33,810
2.0

1129
01:15:36,150 --> 01:15:38,760
is the infrastructure for the
pod ping import easily

1130
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:42,510
translatable to another platform
like Bitcoin? No, not to

1131
01:15:42,510 --> 01:15:49,590
Bitcoin. But our plan is, if the
hive ever goes belly up, we will

1132
01:15:49,590 --> 01:15:52,950
fork it and run our own hive.
Yep. And we'll be good to go.

1133
01:15:53,310 --> 01:15:56,700
That's exactly what I said. When
I used the word shit many times.

1134
01:15:57,000 --> 01:16:00,930
Yeah. And some and M
self-immolation. We set yourself

1135
01:16:00,930 --> 01:16:05,160
on fire. Yes, I believe so.
Yeah, let's not do that. Okay.

1136
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:09,270
Three cheers for the Bitcoin
taproot soft fork activation.

1137
01:16:11,130 --> 01:16:13,710
That's a set of set of words
that will drive the audience

1138
01:16:13,710 --> 01:16:17,610
away. Well, it is kind of cool.
It is that the taproot does

1139
01:16:17,610 --> 01:16:21,810
Yeah, it's really well I loved
how the consensus worked. You

1140
01:16:21,810 --> 01:16:24,750
know, where miners would signal
if they were taproot ready and

1141
01:16:24,780 --> 01:16:27,420
where they have to get 75% Is
that how it works? And you get

1142
01:16:27,420 --> 01:16:30,420
kind of the soft fork and then
everyone's doing

1143
01:16:30,420 --> 01:16:33,330
it is locked in now for was it
November? I think?

1144
01:16:34,530 --> 01:16:38,850
Yes, yes, I think it is. I love
that. I just love the whole, the

1145
01:16:38,850 --> 01:16:42,750
whole community angle of that
how we came to consensus and,

1146
01:16:43,230 --> 01:16:46,320
and we're going to implement it
and I know, and I understand

1147
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:49,050
some of the technical. Of
course, this will all be

1148
01:16:49,050 --> 01:16:50,910
misinterpreted. Gods. Let's talk
about

1149
01:16:53,250 --> 01:16:57,780
that. It's like you can keep
once once the consensus is

1150
01:16:57,780 --> 01:17:00,990
reached, you can keep on doing
the old the old system without

1151
01:17:00,990 --> 01:17:03,000
it if you want to, but then
you're trading a different coin.

1152
01:17:03,030 --> 01:17:08,580
Yeah, so there's that. There's
that. Three cheers for tip for

1153
01:17:08,580 --> 01:17:12,300
taproot. Software deactivation.
Hopefully both lightning and own

1154
01:17:12,300 --> 01:17:18,540
chain privacy will benefit. Yes.
Our CPS our 56k dial up modem

1155
01:17:18,540 --> 01:17:20,220
sounds available for my
diffract.

1156
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:28,170
Well, let me just detune it. No,
I think that's still 1200 I'm

1157
01:17:28,170 --> 01:17:32,640
sorry. Oh, yes, yes. 1200.
That's too fast. My first modem

1158
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:36,390
that I built myself was 75 baud.

1159
01:17:37,020 --> 01:17:41,040
God Almighty. Yeah. You could
just run you could just drive it

1160
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:45,180
down the street, right sheet of
paper and run it down the road.

1161
01:17:45,420 --> 01:17:48,270
It was just connected to my
buddy, he had the same and we

1162
01:17:48,300 --> 01:17:52,050
just ripped apart a couple of
phones. So we put the cradle

1163
01:17:52,890 --> 01:17:56,940
took out the microphone part and
the hearing part. And we just

1164
01:17:56,940 --> 01:18:01,740
reverse that and put like little
cardboard boxes, and I had this

1165
01:18:01,770 --> 01:18:05,520
Sinclair ZX 80. So I'd press a
couple keys, and then they would

1166
01:18:05,580 --> 01:18:07,980
appear on his monitor and then
back and forth.

1167
01:18:08,730 --> 01:18:13,440
And you could do we can do one
word at every four minutes,

1168
01:18:13,440 --> 01:18:18,840
right? Pretty much Well, this is
also the days when the BBC Radio

1169
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:23,730
would broadcast computer
programs. Once a week. Yeah, you

1170
01:18:23,730 --> 01:18:26,970
mentioned once a week, I think
eight o'clock or eight o'clock.

1171
01:18:27,660 --> 01:18:34,410
UK time. Yeah. And you get your
cassette recorder ready for the

1172
01:18:34,440 --> 01:18:38,520
acorn computer, but they also
did it for the ZX 80 which I had

1173
01:18:38,910 --> 01:18:42,150
and the ZX 81 and I think they
might have done some stuff for

1174
01:18:42,150 --> 01:18:47,670
the Commodore VIC 20, maybe even
the 64 it was very exciting.

1175
01:18:48,480 --> 01:18:52,890
I had the cassette Loader for
the for the Commodore 64 and I

1176
01:18:52,890 --> 01:18:56,790
remember you had to think to get
you had to hit you had to hit

1177
01:18:56,790 --> 01:19:00,930
play first and then you had to
hit load. Load Astra has come a

1178
01:19:00,930 --> 01:19:06,060
common one. To load no no's
comma eight comma two I forgot

1179
01:19:06,060 --> 01:19:09,030
what the command was but you had
to you had to do it in the right

1180
01:19:09,030 --> 01:19:09,630
sequence.

1181
01:19:10,410 --> 01:19:15,870
Love that stuff. I still have my
trs 100 no ever seen that one?

1182
01:19:15,870 --> 01:19:20,100
It's the laptop with an LCD
display and it has I think it

1183
01:19:20,100 --> 01:19:25,680
has a 12 line display and it
runs on double A batteries. Trs

1184
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:29,130
was that the RadioShack one?
Yeah, you should just look at it

1185
01:19:29,130 --> 01:19:34,680
you have to see this trs 100
just do a quick terrorist one. I

1186
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:38,100
also have I have the acoustic
modem on all of this inbox by

1187
01:19:38,100 --> 01:19:45,420
the way. Whoa, yeah. Trs 100
Wow. Oh, there it is. Here is at

1188
01:19:45,420 --> 01:19:50,010
model 100. No, no, no, the TRS
one. Model 100 portable

1189
01:19:50,010 --> 01:19:50,640
computer.

1190
01:19:50,910 --> 01:19:56,160
Yeah. 3230. Yeah. 32 lines.
Yeah, with a real nice keyboard.

1191
01:19:56,640 --> 01:20:00,210
And it's got the screen built
right in a keyboard. Mm hmm. So

1192
01:20:00,210 --> 01:20:02,070
that's new in the box. Yeah,

1193
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:05,970
well it's not new I've used it's
got the box then yeah and I have

1194
01:20:05,970 --> 01:20:11,160
that handsome leatherette carry
in case you start auctioning

1195
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:14,850
your stuff like the boy No, no,
I mean you turn it on you can

1196
01:20:14,850 --> 01:20:18,810
still do basic and you know it
has a little memory slots where

1197
01:20:18,810 --> 01:20:21,570
you save stuff and had a bill at
this I think this also had a

1198
01:20:21,570 --> 01:20:24,180
built in modem yes this had a
built in modem.

1199
01:20:25,260 --> 01:20:28,860
Oh, did it have so you're doing
basic did have peek and poke?

1200
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:34,710
Of course that was how you put
it on the screen, baby. Yes,

1201
01:20:34,710 --> 01:20:38,070
yes. peeking poke my favorite. I
knew some of those numbers by

1202
01:20:38,070 --> 01:20:42,450
heart. Oh, yeah. Did they inject
injected right into this right

1203
01:20:42,450 --> 01:20:45,540
onto the screen right to the
pixel? Yeah. And it wouldn't go

1204
01:20:45,540 --> 01:20:48,990
away until you reboot it. You
had to know you had to read. Hi.

1205
01:20:48,990 --> 01:20:51,990
I forgot how you did it. To
clear it or something. Yeah.

1206
01:20:52,350 --> 01:20:54,690
Clear the buffer. Good time.

1207
01:20:56,400 --> 01:21:01,530
Francis will willette give us
$50 and he's thank you note

1208
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:05,640
note. No, no note other than
saying that he heard about us on

1209
01:21:05,670 --> 01:21:08,130
on Matt cast. Oh, Adam
Christiansen.

1210
01:21:08,219 --> 01:21:12,239
Oh, beautiful. Thank you. I love
how it works. The clip we didn't

1211
01:21:12,239 --> 01:21:14,609
play. Yeah, we'll play. I'll
chop it up.

1212
01:21:16,290 --> 01:21:21,330
He gave us lots of love. So
thank you, Francis, and our

1213
01:21:21,330 --> 01:21:26,580
monthly donors. Let me see here
we get a Chris Cowan gave us $5

1214
01:21:26,970 --> 01:21:32,070
Jeremy Cavanaugh gave us $10
Alex let Alex gates IT

1215
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:38,940
consultant to the stars. Yes,
thank you, Alex. Soren Miller

1216
01:21:38,970 --> 01:21:43,470
gave us $10 David Norman from
Africa and capture Africa gives

1217
01:21:43,470 --> 01:21:52,980
$25 Paul Saltzman 2222 double
snake guys No. See Damon

1218
01:21:54,150 --> 01:22:02,670
kisatchie Damon cuz such ik KKSA
cJ AK, I'm gonna say cat cause I

1219
01:22:02,670 --> 01:22:04,020
just cast cast jagua

1220
01:22:04,020 --> 01:22:07,440
we I think he's a no agenda guy.
And we struggled with him on the

1221
01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:07,860
show.

1222
01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:11,970
Okay, I'm gonna say cassette
chick, that they send us a

1223
01:22:11,970 --> 01:22:18,570
Pronunciation Guide. Yes, please
do. Derek Vickery is 21. Dog.

1224
01:22:18,570 --> 01:22:22,710
Derek's been donating since
almost the beginning. Thank you.

1225
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:26,640
Thomas Sullivan, Jr, son of son,
Thomas Sullivan senior gave us

1226
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:33,600
$5 a month, David would find
gives $3. And Jason defilippo

1227
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:37,080
gave us $20. And that's our
group.

1228
01:22:37,140 --> 01:22:43,500
Well, thank you all so much. You
are supporting the preservation

1229
01:22:43,500 --> 01:22:46,590
of podcasting as a platform for
free speech and retooling before

1230
01:22:46,590 --> 01:22:50,130
your very eyes into a platform
of value that everybody benefits

1231
01:22:50,130 --> 01:22:52,710
from, or can if they want to,

1232
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:54,960
and YouTube and launch a
lightning node that you won't be

1233
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:56,010
able to use for two days.

1234
01:22:57,060 --> 01:22:59,880
We're not putting you in charge
of promotion today, this week.

1235
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,450
If you want to give us cup
bucks, we do accept them. And

1236
01:23:03,450 --> 01:23:06,420
you heard a nice list there. And
thank you so much for that go to

1237
01:23:06,420 --> 01:23:09,300
podcast index.org. Down at the
bottom, you'll see a big red

1238
01:23:09,300 --> 01:23:12,030
Donate button, hit that and you
can pay with a credit card,

1239
01:23:12,030 --> 01:23:16,590
debit card, PayPal, etc. As you
know, I don't think it'd be very

1240
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:21,090
too long from now before PayPal
also has a lightning option.

1241
01:23:22,410 --> 01:23:25,590
Thanks. So yeah, of course, it'd
be crazy not to they can still

1242
01:23:25,590 --> 01:23:29,130
take their fees. It's all about
the fees, man. It's all about

1243
01:23:29,130 --> 01:23:32,670
the fees, except when it comes
to micro payment podcasting. And

1244
01:23:32,820 --> 01:23:35,100
the fees get in the way man they
get in the way.

1245
01:23:35,700 --> 01:23:41,970
Or they don't understand why
square or excuse me cash app

1246
01:23:41,970 --> 01:23:44,790
does not do lightning yet. It
must have something to do with

1247
01:23:44,820 --> 01:23:45,990
just being still in beta.

1248
01:23:48,810 --> 01:23:53,880
I thought you could I thought
you could send a receive SATs

1249
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:57,000
through an invoice or something.
And they probably wait they're

1250
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:58,950
gonna roll this out in Twitter.
I mean, they're gonna do

1251
01:23:58,950 --> 01:24:01,830
something with lightning and
Twitter is Dorsey has already

1252
01:24:01,830 --> 01:24:06,060
alluded to it when I don't know
exactly. But that seems like an

1253
01:24:06,060 --> 01:24:11,670
obvious fit. Yeah, what? So
you'd want to have cash app

1254
01:24:11,670 --> 01:24:17,460
Twitter, you know that combo.
Now they still by me, I learned

1255
01:24:17,460 --> 01:24:24,810
so much even the you know, the
strike, that they're actually

1256
01:24:25,050 --> 01:24:31,170
using stable coins to send
payments outside of their own

1257
01:24:31,170 --> 01:24:32,430
network to

1258
01:24:33,750 --> 01:24:38,970
like Venezuela, or El Salvador.
This whole article I read about

1259
01:24:38,970 --> 01:24:40,050
how they're actually doing it.

1260
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:45,000
Are you are you this may be the
same article that I've got right

1261
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:47,760
here that I was going to talk
about. The one this about

1262
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:54,810
Bitcoin legal tender laws may be
different but that so here let

1263
01:24:54,810 --> 01:24:58,110
me let me read this to you.
Because I was I don't think

1264
01:24:58,110 --> 01:25:03,960
people understand maybe That's a
pretentious thing to say. Some

1265
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:08,580
people may not understand that
what it means to be legal

1266
01:25:08,580 --> 01:25:12,570
tender, that doesn't mean just
that the government won't get on

1267
01:25:12,570 --> 01:25:17,760
your back when you win legal
tender means not that you can

1268
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:24,360
accept payment, but you must, by
force of law accept payment in

1269
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:31,380
this currency. So like you legal
tender means that the government

1270
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:37,140
mandates that you accept this
particular form of currency as

1271
01:25:37,140 --> 01:25:40,440
payment for goods and services,
you don't have a choice not to

1272
01:25:40,440 --> 01:25:43,740
correct and then in this case,
unless technologically it can

1273
01:25:43,740 --> 01:25:47,430
absolutely not be done for some
amount of time, whatever. Right?

1274
01:25:47,730 --> 01:25:51,420
So this is a really good article
It is called is from Bitcoin

1275
01:25:51,420 --> 01:25:55,860
magazine is called Bitcoin legal
tender laws. And this is the

1276
01:25:55,860 --> 01:25:57,870
part that was interesting to me.
And this goes along with what

1277
01:25:57,870 --> 01:26:03,780
you're saying. Let's see. an
impromptu interview with Bill

1278
01:26:03,780 --> 01:26:07,080
Kelly, it was revealed that the
citizens of El Salvador will

1279
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:11,070
have to will have open access to
an official government wallet

1280
01:26:11,430 --> 01:26:15,300
designed by strike that will
allow receivers to instantly and

1281
01:26:15,300 --> 01:26:18,990
automatically convert encrypted
incoming Bitcoin into dollars,

1282
01:26:19,350 --> 01:26:21,990
if they don't want to take on
the risk of holding an asset as

1283
01:26:21,990 --> 01:26:25,650
volatile as Bitcoin. This is
what stripe does best, turning

1284
01:26:25,650 --> 01:26:28,650
Bitcoin into a payment rail that
users don't have to think about.

1285
01:26:29,100 --> 01:26:33,000
The El Salvador government is
sending up a $150 million Trust

1286
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:36,660
Fund with the Central Bank of El
Salvador, and anyone who

1287
01:26:36,660 --> 01:26:39,420
converts their Bitcoin to
dollars with the official wallet

1288
01:26:39,420 --> 01:26:42,270
is essentially selling their
Bitcoin to the trust fund.

1289
01:26:44,190 --> 01:26:47,910
Yes, know that. Yes. And it's
actually tether that's involved.

1290
01:26:48,540 --> 01:26:54,240
And so this article that I was
reading from David Gerard, who

1291
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:59,880
is obviously a lightning network
hater, and maybe a Bitcoin hater

1292
01:26:59,880 --> 01:27:05,520
in general, but he, he says,
well, the title of the article

1293
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:08,580
and I love reading, I mean, I
love reading stuff that goes

1294
01:27:08,580 --> 01:27:13,380
against what I think it
enlightens me. El Salvador pass

1295
01:27:13,380 --> 01:27:16,230
passes its Bitcoin law, and it's
a tether scam as the title of

1296
01:27:16,230 --> 01:27:20,640
the article, I put this in the
that's a great, which, by the

1297
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:23,910
way, has nothing to do because
of course, you know, El Salvador

1298
01:27:23,940 --> 01:27:27,930
is, you know, people have been
using wallets and lightning

1299
01:27:27,930 --> 01:27:31,080
wallets and you know that this
kind of stuff for a long time,

1300
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:37,950
it really has no bearing on this
story, other than in the context

1301
01:27:37,980 --> 01:27:43,800
of wise and cash app, doing
SATs. So there are actually some

1302
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:46,590
reasons I just put this in the
show notes. Now, let me go down

1303
01:27:46,590 --> 01:27:52,140
to the bottom here. JACK
Mahler's explains jack Mahler's

1304
01:27:52,140 --> 01:27:57,930
from strike explained how the
actual flow works. Oops, we go.

1305
01:27:58,860 --> 01:28:01,890
When I initiate a $1,000
payments, strike debit to my

1306
01:28:01,890 --> 01:28:06,840
existing USD balance strike then
automatically converts my $1,000

1307
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:10,770
to bitcoins ready for use in its
infrastructure. Using his real

1308
01:28:10,770 --> 01:28:13,770
time automated risk management
and trading infrastructure.

1309
01:28:14,130 --> 01:28:17,850
Strike then moves the bitcoins
across the Gulf of Mexico, where

1310
01:28:17,850 --> 01:28:20,310
it arrives in our Central
American infrastructure in less

1311
01:28:20,310 --> 01:28:24,330
than a second and for no cost.
Strike then takes the bitcoins

1312
01:28:24,450 --> 01:28:28,740
and automatically converts them
back into USD t that's tether

1313
01:28:29,190 --> 01:28:32,370
using its real time automated
risk management and trading

1314
01:28:32,370 --> 01:28:36,060
infrastructure strike then
credits the existing user with

1315
01:28:36,060 --> 01:28:41,010
the USD t to their strike
account to their getting tether.

1316
01:28:44,130 --> 01:28:53,010
Oh, and this is because what
strike wallet is doing, it's

1317
01:28:53,010 --> 01:28:56,790
it's really hard at this moment
on the lightning network to have

1318
01:28:56,790 --> 01:29:00,750
huge channels open and payments
were just not happening. So the

1319
01:29:00,750 --> 01:29:05,040
main, they have a lot of, you
know, big funded liquid stuff

1320
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:10,950
inside their network. And, and
they certainly have channels,

1321
01:29:10,950 --> 01:29:13,170
you know, because we know it
works because we're getting

1322
01:29:13,230 --> 01:29:19,080
lightning payments. But with
this El Salvador deal, there's

1323
01:29:19,230 --> 01:29:23,340
there's conversion into tether,
which just seems like huh.

1324
01:29:24,690 --> 01:29:29,790
That's, that's new information.
In fact, I'm not sure what to

1325
01:29:29,790 --> 01:29:30,360
think about that.

1326
01:29:30,570 --> 01:29:33,510
Well, what this what this
article boils down to in which

1327
01:29:33,660 --> 01:29:39,300
I, I hope it's not true, but I
thought was interesting. was,

1328
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:42,660
you know, this is basically
there's $150 million that El

1329
01:29:42,660 --> 01:29:47,130
Salvador has set up as their
fund, you know, to convert

1330
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:53,040
Bitcoin payments into into
dollars that people can then

1331
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:59,130
access locally. And this David
Gerard guy says, what's likely

1332
01:29:59,130 --> 01:30:02,850
happening is That 100 and $50
million will be transferred,

1333
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:09,000
transferred to Silicon Valley
people and strike and the people

1334
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:14,130
of El Salvador get together. I
don't know how that's not just a

1335
01:30:14,130 --> 01:30:16,980
couple of jumps there that I'm
not so sure if that's exactly

1336
01:30:16,980 --> 01:30:21,870
true. I really hope that's not
true. But that stands apart from

1337
01:30:21,870 --> 01:30:24,720
the legal tender story. That's
the story. Yeah, how strike is

1338
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:28,650
involved is less interesting.
But it's, it's not easy. And

1339
01:30:28,650 --> 01:30:32,910
that's the bottom line, the I
just did a half a million

1340
01:30:32,910 --> 01:30:37,200
Satoshi rebalance. So that means
that I squirt it out through our

1341
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:42,240
channel through through lm PE,
and I send it to a blue wallet.

1342
01:30:43,950 --> 01:30:47,250
And then, you know, I send it
back. And so now I'm relying on

1343
01:30:47,250 --> 01:30:50,940
blue wallet and ln hub, I think
or whatever the hell is

1344
01:30:50,940 --> 01:30:55,470
connected to. I'm just relying
on that to be able to find a

1345
01:30:55,470 --> 01:31:00,000
pathway to send half a million
satoshis. And yeah, I think it

1346
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:03,720
cost 1200 satoshis to route it,
and it went through all the big

1347
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:06,690
infrastructure and it got there
no problem, but you know, pretty

1348
01:31:06,690 --> 01:31:07,230
high fee.

1349
01:31:07,860 --> 01:31:13,650
Yeah. Well, that's it. So that's
why you need you know, that's,

1350
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:16,320
that's why the onboarding of
this is probably going to be

1351
01:31:16,350 --> 01:31:20,430
custodial. Yeah. For like, you
know, for value for value

1352
01:31:20,430 --> 01:31:23,820
podcasting is there's going to
have to be a custodial component

1353
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:29,220
for the you know, for the jeans,
Mom, because that's, nobody even

1354
01:31:29,220 --> 01:31:33,870
understands what you just said.
And that, you know, like, by the

1355
01:31:33,870 --> 01:31:36,990
way, way, chicks dig it that
they don't

1356
01:31:36,990 --> 01:31:40,890
exist. They do, Tina's like, Hi,
yeah, talk to talk SAS to me,

1357
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:43,830
how's your channel? How much you
got? How big is your channel? Do

1358
01:31:43,830 --> 01:31:44,700
you have a wambo?

1359
01:31:49,980 --> 01:31:55,320
one bowl channel talk. That is,
look at that guy get a damn,

1360
01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:59,280
he's got a wambo. That is not a
way to get a date that wambo is

1361
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:02,130
the Lambo of the lightning
network. If you keep talking

1362
01:32:02,130 --> 01:32:09,660
like this, we're gonna get
picked up by Spotify. Okay, I'll

1363
01:32:09,660 --> 01:32:10,110
stop.

1364
01:32:11,610 --> 01:32:19,650
There. Now that that's, that's
more concerning. I hope that

1365
01:32:19,650 --> 01:32:23,040
that is not true, honestly.
Because, I mean,

1366
01:32:23,070 --> 01:32:26,340
I wrote that last bit is just,
it's just a conclusion that this

1367
01:32:26,340 --> 01:32:29,130
guy Drew, but the tether thing I
believe that's real. I think

1368
01:32:29,130 --> 01:32:31,890
that there's however they put
that deal together.

1369
01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:34,950
But why would you do so that
tells me if you did something

1370
01:32:34,950 --> 01:32:37,890
like that, if that's the
actually the case, that tells me

1371
01:32:37,890 --> 01:32:43,440
that they were not confident
enough in lightning itself to

1372
01:32:43,440 --> 01:32:48,060
handle that volume of funds.
That means so that may be one of

1373
01:32:48,060 --> 01:32:52,050
the answers, the reasons? Sure.
Okay, so then maybe later at

1374
01:32:52,050 --> 01:32:56,580
some other point, like down the
line, they say, Okay, well,

1375
01:32:56,580 --> 01:33:00,510
lightning has proven stable
enough now. And now it's got now

1376
01:33:00,510 --> 01:33:03,060
we have automatic multi pathing.
And now we have these, you know,

1377
01:33:04,290 --> 01:33:08,310
it's basically in a weird way.
It's a custodial versus non

1378
01:33:08,310 --> 01:33:12,420
custodial. If, you know, the,
the whole point of this is that

1379
01:33:12,420 --> 01:33:16,080
people can receive Bitcoin and
immediately turn it around and

1380
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:20,850
get us dollars for it through
the central bank through this

1381
01:33:20,850 --> 01:33:24,420
$150 million provision, which of
course, should grow over time,

1382
01:33:24,420 --> 01:33:28,200
and it should all be automatic,
without the price fluctuation.

1383
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:32,340
So they're guaranteeing the
volatility difference that when

1384
01:33:32,340 --> 01:33:34,860
you say, Okay, I just received
it, I want the money. They'll

1385
01:33:34,860 --> 01:33:37,680
take it right away. And they'll
they'll take the risk on the 10

1386
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:41,670
minute price difference. Yeah,
that's basically what it is. And

1387
01:33:41,670 --> 01:33:45,240
so doing that with Cather is
definitely a valid solution. It

1388
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:48,000
was just surprising. Does that
mean that this is a scam to

1389
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:51,300
steal that money? Seems like a
lot of work to steal $150

1390
01:33:51,300 --> 01:33:54,480
million? Considering what's at
stake. You know, I was like,

1391
01:33:54,510 --> 01:33:54,990
come on.

1392
01:33:55,380 --> 01:33:58,320
Yeah, you can it's I mean, in
Silicon Valley, you can get $150

1393
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:00,870
million by falling down in the
wrong spot just by putting

1394
01:34:00,870 --> 01:34:05,430
blockchain in your name. podcast
blockchain. Yeah. I mean, 100 50

1395
01:34:05,430 --> 01:34:13,620
million. That's an accident. Oh,
I dropped it. Yeah, now, that

1396
01:34:13,620 --> 01:34:15,330
makes me think that is probably
not that

1397
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:23,970
to two other topics to hit or
just points, by the way. One is

1398
01:34:24,450 --> 01:34:27,960
wallet withdrawals from the
podcast app. Someone contacted

1399
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:31,680
me, I think through podcasting,
next on social or podcast,

1400
01:34:31,770 --> 01:34:38,460
podcast is your TV, the
mastodon, and said, You know, I

1401
01:34:38,460 --> 01:34:41,160
can't seem to withdraw from any
of these wallets. I said, you

1402
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:43,500
know, no one's ever asked for
it. It's kind of the way you

1403
01:34:43,500 --> 01:34:46,980
withdraw is by playing a
podcast. And he said, Yeah, but

1404
01:34:46,980 --> 01:34:49,530
you know, when I'm doing stuff,
I may want to put some in, move

1405
01:34:49,530 --> 01:34:53,520
it out. He says, it's kind of a
generally accepted thing that

1406
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:56,250
you have an in and out and I
thought it was a valid point. So

1407
01:34:56,250 --> 01:34:57,150
I'm just bringing it up.

1408
01:34:57,450 --> 01:35:00,720
Not Cridland talked about it. He
couldn't Get his stuff out of

1409
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:02,370
Sphinx. He's had all kinds

1410
01:35:02,370 --> 01:35:07,050
of trouble swings has withdrawl
is just broken. Or in his case.

1411
01:35:07,620 --> 01:35:10,920
Yeah. And then he and then he
called swings breeze which Whoa.

1412
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:15,720
Yeah, now that's not breeze
raises raises top notch the

1413
01:35:16,350 --> 01:35:20,970
experience that'll nothing seems
broken on Brees. See. I don't I

1414
01:35:20,970 --> 01:35:23,490
don't bet. I mean, I know he's
been talking about it for a

1415
01:35:23,490 --> 01:35:26,070
while. He's like, I got a bunch
of acid I just kind of locked

1416
01:35:26,070 --> 01:35:26,400
up,

1417
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:31,140
right. But this is more like pod
friend, Curio, Curio cast or pod

1418
01:35:31,140 --> 01:35:36,240
station, you know, all all the
apps, even airline pay based

1419
01:35:36,300 --> 01:35:41,250
wallets to just be able to send
that somewhere else. So you

1420
01:35:41,250 --> 01:35:45,090
generate a QR code to get in
should also be able to

1421
01:35:46,050 --> 01:35:51,420
understand how to take either a
QR code or an invoice to send it

1422
01:35:51,420 --> 01:36:00,990
out. What How would you do that?
Well, the same way wallets work.

1423
01:36:00,990 --> 01:36:06,420
So you add funds or if you want
to take them out, then you put

1424
01:36:06,420 --> 01:36:09,000
you paste an invoice from the
from the app that you're that

1425
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:11,730
you're withdrawing it from
redrawing it to

1426
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:15,330
Yeah, but I'm saying like, okay,
so I'm maybe misunderstanding I

1427
01:36:15,330 --> 01:36:17,160
was assuming that what they were
saying when they're talking

1428
01:36:17,160 --> 01:36:19,080
about getting it out was that
they were going back, they

1429
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:20,250
wanted to get back to Fiat?

1430
01:36:20,940 --> 01:36:25,320
No, no, no, just as transferred
to a different wallet. Oh, okay.

1431
01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:29,100
So I have no, I have wallets in
every single app. And let's say

1432
01:36:29,100 --> 01:36:33,540
I have a little more embryos for
a number of reasons. And so I'll

1433
01:36:33,540 --> 01:36:36,270
put that in a different one. And
now I'm using this app. And

1434
01:36:36,420 --> 01:36:39,840
yeah, it can be adjusted. I
mean, I can keep adding from my

1435
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:43,530
own personal stuff. Or I could
take it out of that one and put

1436
01:36:43,530 --> 01:36:46,080
it in that one. And you can't do
that with any of the other apps.

1437
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:48,690
So it's really inter inter
walled inter lightning wallet,

1438
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:54,390
withdraw what I'm talking about.
It's not something I need at

1439
01:36:54,390 --> 01:36:56,190
all. But it came on when

1440
01:36:56,190 --> 01:36:59,820
I was a valid point. Yeah, that
makes sense. I mean, it would be

1441
01:37:00,300 --> 01:37:03,810
trivial for me. No, of course it
was. Yeah, of course. Yeah. I

1442
01:37:03,810 --> 01:37:05,070
will tell you ARCA. Yeah,

1443
01:37:05,070 --> 01:37:07,470
I think Martin said he had
already thought of it and on the

1444
01:37:07,470 --> 01:37:12,270
list, but you know, Martin's
getting married. We lost we lost

1445
01:37:12,270 --> 01:37:13,230
him to the to the woman.

1446
01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:18,150
Mark Martin used to be a friend
of ours.

1447
01:37:18,180 --> 01:37:22,170
Yeah, no, no, now now he's got a
woman. He's obviously under her

1448
01:37:22,170 --> 01:37:28,860
spell. He can't code anymore.
Buying a house by the way. I'll

1449
01:37:28,860 --> 01:37:33,750
tell you that alone. Dude, I get
that we're right. We're right in

1450
01:37:33,750 --> 01:37:38,160
the middle. We are literally
houseless right now. No, we're

1451
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:40,710
what we don't own a breaking
your own house yet. Somebody

1452
01:37:40,710 --> 01:37:43,290
else right. This is very Yeah,
we were renting it from the new

1453
01:37:43,290 --> 01:37:50,430
owner. Exactly. So well, if last
night we said why don't we just

1454
01:37:50,580 --> 01:37:54,240
cancel that other one pay off
the fee and we'll go on a world

1455
01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:59,040
tour and buy a yurt somewhere
there your team is like Yeah,

1456
01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:04,170
no. Am I exactly that's a Tina
doesn't seem like the year type.

1457
01:38:04,230 --> 01:38:12,120
Oh, she used Oh, dude, she's
she's born born in Indiana. And

1458
01:38:12,330 --> 01:38:18,810
were you there and and you know
and made her made her path in

1459
01:38:18,810 --> 01:38:23,940
Chicago. not take it back. She
is clearly she is the material

1460
01:38:23,940 --> 01:38:28,230
she is the American dream. She
can no mad like anybody. Yeah,

1461
01:38:28,230 --> 01:38:32,550
no problem. Now she's and she
packs very tight. Yeah, extreme.

1462
01:38:32,580 --> 01:38:34,860
That's why she's called the
keeper and because of she pet.

1463
01:38:34,860 --> 01:38:37,860
She can pack both of us into a
carry on suitcase for a week.

1464
01:38:39,180 --> 01:38:41,100
That like Marie Kondo Plus,

1465
01:38:41,850 --> 01:38:46,950
I don't think I've taken a
checked bag on a flight in 10

1466
01:38:46,950 --> 01:38:49,470
years. Yeah, like yeah,

1467
01:38:50,190 --> 01:38:53,760
I'm always usually I have
checked baggage because I got

1468
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:59,370
the I. What I take on board is
the studio. He said you had two

1469
01:38:59,490 --> 01:39:03,450
things. Yeah, I have the I have
a camera shoulder bag which will

1470
01:39:03,450 --> 01:39:11,220
contain the M audio device
microphone, back candling. Wall

1471
01:39:11,220 --> 01:39:16,530
warts although there's much less
then I have a roller bag and in

1472
01:39:16,530 --> 01:39:24,090
the roller bag goes. The MIDI
controller mixer, the two

1473
01:39:24,090 --> 01:39:28,590
screens because I have foldable
portable screens also put the

1474
01:39:28,590 --> 01:39:31,980
laptop in that so I really have
everything and the only thing

1475
01:39:31,980 --> 01:39:36,120
that goes in check baggage
studio wise is the mic boom. I

1476
01:39:36,120 --> 01:39:40,350
carry that to do they look at
that thing and just like what oh

1477
01:39:40,350 --> 01:39:43,950
my god. You know how many times
my that the bag with the

1478
01:39:43,980 --> 01:39:48,030
shoulder. The camera bag has
been open, uncountable. They

1479
01:39:48,030 --> 01:39:52,950
have to repack it all. And then
I discovered pretty early on.

1480
01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:56,520
It's best to take the microphone
out separately. It has its own

1481
01:39:56,520 --> 01:39:59,970
little leather case. That's the
thing they always want to see

1482
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:03,090
Because they think they're gonna
humiliate you with some sex toy?

1483
01:40:03,630 --> 01:40:08,430
No, they think is a vibrator.
Yep. No, yeah. Yeah. I always

1484
01:40:08,430 --> 01:40:14,490
say ball Careful, don't turn it
on. I do evaluate who I'm saying

1485
01:40:14,490 --> 01:40:18,870
it to some of them don't think
that's very funny. The second

1486
01:40:18,930 --> 01:40:23,010
thing I wanted to say here at
the end is very excited to see

1487
01:40:23,010 --> 01:40:29,130
the Curio caster breeze video
integration getting started.

1488
01:40:29,940 --> 01:40:33,180
Yeah, I've got some work to do
on that. So I'm in API mode

1489
01:40:33,180 --> 01:40:37,380
right now, come back to that. I
know. And I got, I had to

1490
01:40:37,530 --> 01:40:42,810
initially get some stuff with
the recent feed. API endpoint

1491
01:40:42,990 --> 01:40:47,880
finished. And I'm letting that
vache john Spurlock is testing

1492
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:53,130
it, Mitch, is gonna be looking
at it. And if and if it looks

1493
01:40:53,130 --> 01:40:56,040
good, we may just transition
things to that I'm not gonna

1494
01:40:56,040 --> 01:40:59,250
take those other inputs away.
But I may just start using that

1495
01:40:59,250 --> 01:41:05,040
when what it's doing is it is
delivering feed recent feeds and

1496
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:10,230
recent episodes in the same
result. So it's called recent

1497
01:41:10,230 --> 01:41:15,480
data. And Steven Crowder, it's
not, this is not documented yet.

1498
01:41:15,480 --> 01:41:18,540
So don't, because it's not
stable. So don't don't good.

1499
01:41:18,810 --> 01:41:21,390
Steven jumps on Steven
documents, all the things that I

1500
01:41:21,390 --> 01:41:26,370
throw out there and don't
document. So don't do that. It

1501
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:29,190
you can just call the recent
data endpoint and it'll give you

1502
01:41:29,190 --> 01:41:32,820
back recent feeds in recent
episodes in one in one shot

1503
01:41:32,820 --> 01:41:33,180
nice,

1504
01:41:33,210 --> 01:41:36,780
even if they have just recently
or what's recent time based or

1505
01:41:37,110 --> 01:41:40,080
Yeah, time based, you have a
sense it you can you can say

1506
01:41:41,190 --> 01:41:45,180
recent data since and either
give it a timestamp from some

1507
01:41:45,210 --> 01:41:48,210
moment in the past, or a
negative number, which

1508
01:41:48,210 --> 01:41:55,050
represents now minus that many
seconds is pal. Cool. Yeah. So

1509
01:41:55,080 --> 01:41:59,880
that's fairly simple. So I mean,
I'm doing I've done that, and

1510
01:41:59,910 --> 01:42:04,200
that was mostly finished. But
then right now I'm working on

1511
01:42:04,200 --> 01:42:07,770
search. And I've got two things
to fix on search Asian character

1512
01:42:07,770 --> 01:42:14,790
support. And which is
complicated, isn't there? Isn't

1513
01:42:14,790 --> 01:42:15,570
there some kind of

1514
01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:20,700
rule against that? I mean, like
a blacklist. whitelist. Yet, you

1515
01:42:20,700 --> 01:42:25,050
can't say Asian character. It
shouldn't be characters of Asian

1516
01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:25,740
descent.

1517
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:35,010
characterizations? Yes, yes.
Yeah. No, you, you. You can't

1518
01:42:35,010 --> 01:42:37,320
call it oriental characters. Oh,
no,

1519
01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:38,100
no, that's

1520
01:42:39,420 --> 01:42:44,160
bad Asian characters, or I think
that's still valid. Well, let

1521
01:42:44,160 --> 01:42:49,170
the last list i saw i think
that's okay. So Asian character

1522
01:42:49,170 --> 01:42:53,430
support and I don't even know
what what is oriental even mean?

1523
01:42:53,490 --> 01:42:55,620
Do you know what that even
means? It's the same as a

1524
01:42:55,620 --> 01:43:00,600
derogatory phrase, same as China
man. Like just an old

1525
01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:03,750
derogatory, of course, is
probably British.

1526
01:43:06,210 --> 01:43:08,490
100% 100% British.

1527
01:43:10,710 --> 01:43:14,190
So, the agent care support I've
got to do that first. And then

1528
01:43:14,190 --> 01:43:21,930
second one was directors like x
accent marks. So when you you

1529
01:43:21,930 --> 01:43:24,810
know in France you're searching
for you know, I'm going to

1530
01:43:25,170 --> 01:43:32,400
boxall as a graph or Exxon Egu
or like sauce you complex? What

1531
01:43:32,430 --> 01:43:37,440
would you just say? accent so
you have a circumflex yeah

1532
01:43:37,440 --> 01:43:39,210
circumflex yeah as the roof

1533
01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:44,700
Yeah, so if you were if you were
to search for get get your song

1534
01:43:45,210 --> 01:43:45,900
you would

1535
01:43:45,990 --> 01:43:48,480
Oh, you got a little fire and
little question mark there under

1536
01:43:48,480 --> 01:43:53,940
the Sinan What do you call that
thing? A seek a C question mark.

1537
01:43:54,240 --> 01:43:59,220
Yeah, it's I forget what that's
called. It is it's a tale it's

1538
01:43:59,220 --> 01:44:02,850
like a test not see where the
tail

1539
01:44:03,630 --> 01:44:09,300
is the CSC with a tail. You want
you want gasoline to match. See

1540
01:44:09,300 --> 01:44:16,980
what the tail and regular see.
So no. difference. Yeah. So that

1541
01:44:17,010 --> 01:44:19,860
I got to do that. So those I
said you lost a deal.

1542
01:44:20,940 --> 01:44:27,090
What do you say deal is the see.
See? all the detail? Yeah, let's

1543
01:44:27,150 --> 01:44:30,630
deal. Okay, so that's like when
Cridland calls it said incident

1544
01:44:30,630 --> 01:44:32,640
is the Yeah.

1545
01:44:33,660 --> 01:44:37,020
I kind of have to agree with the
Zed thing, although I never do

1546
01:44:37,020 --> 01:44:41,790
it myself. Oh, really? Yeah,
there's no I'm not a Zed guy.

1547
01:44:41,790 --> 01:44:46,080
But once you get into saying, I
mean, I'm an aviation guy. So

1548
01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:47,670
it's always gonna be Zulu for
me.

1549
01:44:48,300 --> 01:44:53,490
Do you do you also put cross
like a cross bar on your sevens?

1550
01:44:53,700 --> 01:44:58,740
Yes, I do. Well, I grew up you I
was I was in Dutch school from

1551
01:44:58,740 --> 01:45:02,790
the fifth grade on so My eights
are weird. Minor, they look

1552
01:45:02,790 --> 01:45:08,100
like, Oh, I'd have to draw it
for you. But you go like that.

1553
01:45:08,490 --> 01:45:10,830
Look, my wife goes What the hell
is that?

1554
01:45:10,860 --> 01:45:13,260
This isn't it doesn't look like
a sub. It doesn't look like a

1555
01:45:13,260 --> 01:45:16,110
vertical infinity symbol. It
does, but

1556
01:45:16,110 --> 01:45:24,240
it closes weirdly. Okay, let me
see. It's the that and the what

1557
01:45:24,240 --> 01:45:27,450
was the other character? We're
just talking about? The z, or

1558
01:45:27,450 --> 01:45:30,870
the Zelda seven seven with a
line through it? Yeah, yes.

1559
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:36,060
Yeah, I think those are the main
ones. But the eight is a is a

1560
01:45:36,060 --> 01:45:39,330
big deal. I mean, I have
horrible handwriting as it is. I

1561
01:45:39,330 --> 01:45:43,650
have no hand control. Basically,
when writing I have great hand

1562
01:45:43,650 --> 01:45:50,040
speed reaction. I can type but I
forgot what we were even talking

1563
01:45:50,040 --> 01:45:55,530
about. About the Oriental
Chinaman character support. No,

1564
01:45:55,530 --> 01:46:04,530
no, no. There's you brought up
something about API to breeze

1565
01:46:04,530 --> 01:46:09,720
the breeze video Curio caster
integrate Oh, stop soon. Okay,

1566
01:46:09,750 --> 01:46:10,080
guys.

1567
01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:15,210
Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, so
anyway, APR stuff, search stuff,

1568
01:46:15,810 --> 01:46:19,410
the part of the API thing is
going to be that part because

1569
01:46:19,410 --> 01:46:25,230
what Steven B needs in this will
benefit everyone. Everybody

1570
01:46:25,230 --> 01:46:29,640
needs this is a way to say, Get
for all for these endpoints, I

1571
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:34,170
only want to see audio or only
want to see video, blah, blah,

1572
01:46:34,170 --> 01:46:38,910
blah, that that is important is
actually a little bit of a

1573
01:46:38,910 --> 01:46:43,710
challenge. Because there's so
many different MIME types, they

1574
01:46:43,710 --> 01:46:47,490
can they can be interpreted to
that. Yes, it's my it's mine

1575
01:46:47,490 --> 01:46:51,900
types and extensions, because
sometimes momstart non types,

1576
01:46:52,110 --> 01:46:55,410
sometimes you'll get an mp4, but
it will be the MIME type will be

1577
01:46:55,410 --> 01:46:59,160
application slash binary binary.
So it's just garbage like that.

1578
01:46:59,160 --> 01:47:04,740
So I need to, I have not, it's
funny, because I did not, that

1579
01:47:04,740 --> 01:47:10,560
is the one thing I regret about
the NFA items table, which is

1580
01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:15,300
the episodes table that I did
not index properly. I did not

1581
01:47:15,330 --> 01:47:22,140
index the the type the media
type properly. And I regret it

1582
01:47:22,140 --> 01:47:26,520
now, because of that table has
70 million rows into apply a new

1583
01:47:26,520 --> 01:47:31,410
index is going to be a big lift.
So anyway, so

1584
01:47:32,670 --> 01:47:36,540
just understand that. So
whatever you do, you've got

1585
01:47:36,540 --> 01:47:40,800
something really big that has to
reindex. And could be it would

1586
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:43,470
take two hours for this thing to
reindex. Okay, does that mean

1587
01:47:43,470 --> 01:47:45,420
the whole database is down for
two hours? I

1588
01:47:46,170 --> 01:47:51,330
don't think so. Because it's a
very simple structure. I think I

1589
01:47:51,330 --> 01:47:55,140
can do an in place index add on
it, and it would not lock the

1590
01:47:55,140 --> 01:47:58,590
database. So I don't think
anything would be down. But I'm

1591
01:47:58,590 --> 01:48:04,290
not 100% Sure. My sequel is very
weird with indexes. Some, it's a

1592
01:48:04,290 --> 01:48:06,480
little bit unintuitive,
sometimes when it's going to

1593
01:48:06,480 --> 01:48:10,200
lock and when it's not. So what
I have to do is load. I've got a

1594
01:48:10,200 --> 01:48:12,900
dev environment, and I'm going
to update that dev environment

1595
01:48:12,900 --> 01:48:15,120
with the newest freshest
database and then do it over

1596
01:48:15,120 --> 01:48:19,950
there. And check it in. If it
all runs fine. I'm going. The

1597
01:48:19,950 --> 01:48:26,490
other problem with doing in
place index is that it will

1598
01:48:26,550 --> 01:48:30,840
you'll end up with duplicate key
collisions, even if there's not

1599
01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:36,090
any. And so a lot of times you
really even if you don't if it

1600
01:48:36,090 --> 01:48:39,900
doesn't lock, if you're doing in
place, you have to really just

1601
01:48:39,900 --> 01:48:45,750
stop all rights to the database.
So I may have to shut all the

1602
01:48:45,750 --> 01:48:49,200
aggregators down for like two
hours even regard regardless of

1603
01:48:49,200 --> 01:48:52,560
whether the weather, so there
wouldn't be any new items for

1604
01:48:52,590 --> 01:48:55,950
for a couple hours. It's gonna
be a pain in the butt. And that

1605
01:48:55,950 --> 01:49:00,600
was some of the sexiest sequel
talk I've heard in a long time.

1606
01:49:00,600 --> 01:49:04,830
Dave. You had me. You had me at
lock. I mean,

1607
01:49:04,830 --> 01:49:09,300
seriously, here's your cue to
booth. You know, you want to.

1608
01:49:10,260 --> 01:49:12,690
And you need to talk about
locking the database. I mean,

1609
01:49:12,690 --> 01:49:15,930
you had you had all my trigger
words in there. It was

1610
01:49:15,930 --> 01:49:18,840
beautiful. Thank you. I know. I
know. There's at least three

1611
01:49:18,840 --> 01:49:20,670
people going. Yeah. All right.

1612
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:25,950
There's only three pause. All
right. Do you have anything for

1613
01:49:25,950 --> 01:49:27,570
the for the end of the show
here?

1614
01:49:27,929 --> 01:49:31,529
No, I got nothing. No, I meant
there was an ad there was an ISO

1615
01:49:31,559 --> 01:49:32,219
you won't play that. I

1616
01:49:32,220 --> 01:49:41,910
Oh, sure. Let me see. All right,
boom. All right. Is this Are we

1617
01:49:41,910 --> 01:49:44,460
not doing end of show? ISOs?
Because it's certainly worthy of

1618
01:49:44,460 --> 01:49:49,350
it. Yeah, I think we should do
that. Yeah. All right. Hey, man,

1619
01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:52,620
it was great talking to you. As
usual. Thanks to all the unsung

1620
01:49:52,620 --> 01:49:55,380
heroes who are really doing all
the work. We just do a podcast.

1621
01:49:58,920 --> 01:50:01,650
Buddy, have a good one. Take
care. All right, we'll see y'all

1622
01:50:01,650 --> 01:50:04,440
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