1 00:00:00,770 --> 00:00:04,190 Podcasting 2.0 for March 20th, 2026, episode 2 00:00:04,190 --> 00:00:05,370 254. 3 00:00:05,850 --> 00:00:06,890 Papa Terme. 4 00:00:08,670 --> 00:00:09,730 Hello, everybody. 5 00:00:09,990 --> 00:00:13,890 Welcome to Podcasting 2.0. This is the 6 00:00:13,890 --> 00:00:18,450 only official place of something about podcasting. 7 00:00:18,490 --> 00:00:19,770 But it's us, and we're here. 8 00:00:20,110 --> 00:00:22,650 We've got an entire boardroom full with the 9 00:00:22,650 --> 00:00:24,650 misfits from Podcasting Dexter Soter. 10 00:00:24,770 --> 00:00:26,990 We are, in fact, the only boardroom that 11 00:00:26,990 --> 00:00:29,430 didn't win an Academy Award, or a Razzie, 12 00:00:29,510 --> 00:00:30,050 for that matter. 13 00:00:30,530 --> 00:00:31,930 I'm Adam Curry, here in the heart of 14 00:00:31,930 --> 00:00:33,830 the Texas Hill Country, and in Alabama, the 15 00:00:33,830 --> 00:00:35,670 man who wants you to contribute your disc 16 00:00:35,670 --> 00:00:37,330 space for the good of mankind. 17 00:00:37,870 --> 00:00:39,190 Say hello to my friend on the other 18 00:00:39,190 --> 00:00:41,330 end, the one, the only, the pod sage, 19 00:00:41,830 --> 00:00:46,810 Mr. Dave Jones. 20 00:00:48,510 --> 00:00:49,230 Oh, man. 21 00:00:50,950 --> 00:00:53,530 While you were doing the intro, I realized 22 00:00:53,530 --> 00:00:55,410 I needed a knife to cut my cheese. 23 00:00:56,490 --> 00:00:59,770 And I was like, okay, I've got time. 24 00:01:00,130 --> 00:01:01,350 So I ran in the kitchen. 25 00:01:01,970 --> 00:01:05,270 I ran in the kitchen, grabbed the knife, 26 00:01:06,010 --> 00:01:08,170 got back to the podcast room. 27 00:01:08,270 --> 00:01:10,070 It was like, crap, I need a drink. 28 00:01:10,270 --> 00:01:11,790 So I ran back to the kitchen again, 29 00:01:12,470 --> 00:01:14,230 sat down right in time to hit the 30 00:01:14,230 --> 00:01:14,490 post. 31 00:01:15,090 --> 00:01:15,530 Wow. 32 00:01:15,690 --> 00:01:17,890 You are amazing. 33 00:01:18,690 --> 00:01:20,050 No, I'm just hungry. 34 00:01:21,070 --> 00:01:22,670 Yeah, you had a little bit of traffic 35 00:01:22,670 --> 00:01:23,330 on the way home. 36 00:01:24,050 --> 00:01:24,250 Yes. 37 00:01:24,450 --> 00:01:24,790 Yes. 38 00:01:25,390 --> 00:01:27,230 See, is Eric PP in the boardroom? 39 00:01:27,310 --> 00:01:28,550 Is Eric PP in the boardroom? 40 00:01:28,690 --> 00:01:30,730 Is Eric PP in the boardroom? 41 00:01:30,770 --> 00:01:32,110 Paging Eric PP? 42 00:01:32,910 --> 00:01:34,050 I don't see him. 43 00:01:34,070 --> 00:01:35,510 You're safe to talk about AI. 44 00:01:35,710 --> 00:01:36,190 Yes. 45 00:01:36,370 --> 00:01:36,710 Yes. 46 00:01:36,810 --> 00:01:37,210 Thank you. 47 00:01:37,250 --> 00:01:38,130 Let me just make sure. 48 00:01:38,250 --> 00:01:38,510 All right. 49 00:01:38,590 --> 00:01:38,770 Yeah. 50 00:01:39,010 --> 00:01:39,370 Safe. 51 00:01:40,370 --> 00:01:40,690 Okay. 52 00:01:41,830 --> 00:01:46,310 Adam's AI vibe coding corner. 53 00:01:47,310 --> 00:01:50,670 If Eric comes in, just somebody give like 54 00:01:50,670 --> 00:01:52,810 one blink twice and we'll know to shut 55 00:01:52,810 --> 00:01:53,010 up. 56 00:01:53,330 --> 00:01:56,350 So, you know, I installed Omarchi, right? 57 00:01:56,430 --> 00:01:59,990 Which is Arch-based Linux with a Hyperland 58 00:01:59,990 --> 00:02:00,850 tile manager. 59 00:02:01,050 --> 00:02:04,090 And I have been loving this operating system. 60 00:02:04,470 --> 00:02:05,630 Just loving it. 61 00:02:06,110 --> 00:02:07,810 I use all the workspaces. 62 00:02:07,910 --> 00:02:09,729 I've got all the keyboard commands down. 63 00:02:09,830 --> 00:02:10,870 Thing is rock solid. 64 00:02:11,670 --> 00:02:13,850 You know, I built a whole playout system 65 00:02:13,850 --> 00:02:14,350 for it. 66 00:02:15,050 --> 00:02:17,430 And what had happened a couple of times, 67 00:02:17,510 --> 00:02:19,170 you know, I was popping open a terminal 68 00:02:19,170 --> 00:02:20,650 window or something and. 69 00:02:21,490 --> 00:02:22,350 Popping a termie. 70 00:02:24,210 --> 00:02:26,030 Show title right off the bat. 71 00:02:27,690 --> 00:02:28,710 Popping a termie. 72 00:02:29,230 --> 00:02:30,930 That sounds almost sexual. 73 00:02:33,490 --> 00:02:35,530 Is it termie with a Y? 74 00:02:35,790 --> 00:02:36,970 Is it termie with a T? 75 00:02:37,110 --> 00:02:38,730 It's got to be T-T-E-R 76 00:02:38,730 --> 00:02:39,130 -M-Y. 77 00:02:40,550 --> 00:02:41,590 Popping a termie. 78 00:02:44,390 --> 00:02:47,170 So, so I popped, I popped the termie 79 00:02:47,170 --> 00:02:50,510 and I saw this thing come up from, 80 00:02:50,610 --> 00:02:52,670 and I just like, you know, super key 81 00:02:52,670 --> 00:02:53,630 W, get rid of it. 82 00:02:53,670 --> 00:02:54,510 Cause I don't know what this is. 83 00:02:54,530 --> 00:02:55,390 It's all kinds of stuff. 84 00:02:55,610 --> 00:02:57,990 You know, there's separate, separate editors that open 85 00:02:57,990 --> 00:02:58,570 the terminal. 86 00:02:58,690 --> 00:03:00,030 And so I'm kind of learning my way 87 00:03:00,030 --> 00:03:00,330 around. 88 00:03:00,950 --> 00:03:04,570 And, and so the other day, like three 89 00:03:04,570 --> 00:03:06,730 days ago, I popped the termie. 90 00:03:06,790 --> 00:03:09,030 I'm like, hmm, open code. 91 00:03:09,230 --> 00:03:09,810 What is this? 92 00:03:10,590 --> 00:03:13,310 Oh, oh, you, you have not used open 93 00:03:13,310 --> 00:03:13,910 code before. 94 00:03:14,490 --> 00:03:17,550 Holy moly guacamole. 95 00:03:17,810 --> 00:03:20,550 Where has this been all my vibe coding 96 00:03:20,550 --> 00:03:21,110 life? 97 00:03:22,810 --> 00:03:24,390 This, this is. 98 00:03:24,570 --> 00:03:25,930 I thought you had been using the, the 99 00:03:25,930 --> 00:03:28,070 Gemini CLI though. 100 00:03:28,150 --> 00:03:31,050 No, no, I was just copying and pasting 101 00:03:31,050 --> 00:03:31,950 into the browser. 102 00:03:32,390 --> 00:03:34,830 I've been telling you this for weeks. 103 00:03:34,830 --> 00:03:36,770 I know what you've been telling me, but 104 00:03:36,770 --> 00:03:38,430 you didn't tell me about open code. 105 00:03:39,190 --> 00:03:41,070 So I'm like, well, this is interesting. 106 00:03:41,430 --> 00:03:45,910 And kind of, uh, coincidentally at the same 107 00:03:45,910 --> 00:03:49,250 time, uh, my guy who had sent me 108 00:03:49,250 --> 00:03:51,070 the, the Vulcan card and the, and the 109 00:03:51,070 --> 00:03:53,630 Raspberry Pi, he says, oh, here's a config. 110 00:03:53,710 --> 00:03:54,850 If you, you know, he got me the 111 00:03:54,850 --> 00:03:58,370 new models, the Quen 3.5 and the 112 00:03:58,370 --> 00:03:58,990 coding models. 113 00:03:59,090 --> 00:04:00,230 Now you can hook this up to open 114 00:04:00,230 --> 00:04:00,470 code. 115 00:04:00,550 --> 00:04:01,190 I'm like, oh, that's interesting. 116 00:04:02,010 --> 00:04:04,370 So I did that later, but I started 117 00:04:04,370 --> 00:04:08,130 off with open code with their free, free 118 00:04:08,130 --> 00:04:10,430 as in free beer, Zen models. 119 00:04:11,450 --> 00:04:12,210 Oh my Lord. 120 00:04:12,770 --> 00:04:15,269 This thing has changed my life. 121 00:04:15,630 --> 00:04:17,649 I told you it is a, it is 122 00:04:17,649 --> 00:04:19,990 when you make the switch to CLI, it's 123 00:04:19,990 --> 00:04:22,690 a game changer, you know, cause now it's 124 00:04:22,690 --> 00:04:23,350 doing stuff. 125 00:04:23,390 --> 00:04:25,970 And I'm, I'm actually learning code now because 126 00:04:25,970 --> 00:04:28,770 now I'm seeing it's doing diffs and it's, 127 00:04:28,770 --> 00:04:30,710 you know, the explanation, you know, it's not 128 00:04:30,710 --> 00:04:32,870 hidden, like in a browser it's, it's going 129 00:04:32,870 --> 00:04:34,470 by, it's a little grayer color. 130 00:04:34,470 --> 00:04:35,570 So you can read along. 131 00:04:35,670 --> 00:04:37,970 I'm seeing, I'm seeing what it's looking at. 132 00:04:38,410 --> 00:04:40,910 You know, you can, you can just say 133 00:04:40,910 --> 00:04:44,790 like, um, all right, this curry caster I've 134 00:04:44,790 --> 00:04:46,250 built, we need to get it on GitHub. 135 00:04:51,810 --> 00:04:52,250 Boom. 136 00:04:52,730 --> 00:04:53,510 Uh, read me. 137 00:04:54,150 --> 00:04:55,950 I need to document the features. 138 00:04:57,610 --> 00:04:58,510 Version it. 139 00:04:59,510 --> 00:05:02,170 I mean, screw open claw. 140 00:05:02,270 --> 00:05:03,810 Open claw is pathetic. 141 00:05:04,810 --> 00:05:06,410 This, this is the system. 142 00:05:06,530 --> 00:05:08,630 I would pay these guys a hundred dollars 143 00:05:08,630 --> 00:05:09,050 a month. 144 00:05:09,630 --> 00:05:11,290 I'd cancel everything. 145 00:05:11,690 --> 00:05:15,130 This is, and, and what's beautiful about it 146 00:05:15,130 --> 00:05:18,510 is you can, because it has access to 147 00:05:18,510 --> 00:05:21,030 the computer you're running it on, you can 148 00:05:21,030 --> 00:05:22,230 say, you know, I don't like the way 149 00:05:22,230 --> 00:05:23,170 this computer works. 150 00:05:23,510 --> 00:05:26,310 Hey, open code, do this. 151 00:05:26,590 --> 00:05:27,710 And it does it. 152 00:05:29,650 --> 00:05:31,170 It's like, huh. 153 00:05:32,270 --> 00:05:33,550 It's fantastic. 154 00:05:34,630 --> 00:05:38,250 Well, what just take, if you want to 155 00:05:38,250 --> 00:05:40,070 pay somebody a hundred dollars a month, just 156 00:05:40,070 --> 00:05:41,610 go pay Claude a hundred dollars a month 157 00:05:41,610 --> 00:05:43,270 and you'll get that times 10. 158 00:05:43,890 --> 00:05:45,810 No, like now I'm talking about intent. 159 00:05:45,910 --> 00:05:46,790 I'm talking about intelligence. 160 00:05:47,050 --> 00:05:48,590 No, no, no, no, no, no, no. 161 00:05:48,670 --> 00:05:51,070 Cause Claude is a, they're all token munchers. 162 00:05:51,670 --> 00:05:53,210 They're all token munchers. 163 00:05:53,770 --> 00:05:56,410 I've learned a lot about context windows and 164 00:05:56,410 --> 00:05:57,830 all this stuff is token munch. 165 00:05:57,930 --> 00:06:00,250 If you're doing what I'm doing, it's just 166 00:06:00,250 --> 00:06:00,950 token munching. 167 00:06:01,590 --> 00:06:03,710 And the a hundred bucks a month is 168 00:06:03,710 --> 00:06:04,490 unlimited though. 169 00:06:04,670 --> 00:06:05,730 No bull crap. 170 00:06:06,330 --> 00:06:06,810 It is. 171 00:06:08,070 --> 00:06:12,030 I've never, it's, it's effectively unlimited for the 172 00:06:12,030 --> 00:06:15,450 level of use that you, that a human 173 00:06:15,450 --> 00:06:18,430 being alone just prompting can hit it with. 174 00:06:18,630 --> 00:06:20,030 Well, I like these guys. 175 00:06:20,190 --> 00:06:21,630 I like it that they're open source. 176 00:06:22,090 --> 00:06:23,450 That's why I like about it. 177 00:06:23,830 --> 00:06:26,290 That's, that's, I want to support these guys. 178 00:06:26,290 --> 00:06:29,530 And it just solidifies for me the entire 179 00:06:29,530 --> 00:06:31,930 thinking that this stuff is going decentralized. 180 00:06:32,470 --> 00:06:35,130 The whole idea of getting all your models 181 00:06:35,130 --> 00:06:36,650 from one big cloud provider. 182 00:06:36,650 --> 00:06:37,850 That's, that's going to end. 183 00:06:38,110 --> 00:06:39,450 That's what I love about this. 184 00:06:39,490 --> 00:06:40,650 These guys, you know, I don't know what 185 00:06:40,650 --> 00:06:43,290 they're running, how they're running it, but I'd 186 00:06:43,290 --> 00:06:43,950 rather pay them. 187 00:06:44,010 --> 00:06:46,550 It's open source, no sneaky stuff that's going 188 00:06:46,550 --> 00:06:46,970 on. 189 00:06:47,930 --> 00:06:49,930 You know, that, that's, you're using the Zen, 190 00:06:50,010 --> 00:06:51,130 you're using the Zen model. 191 00:06:51,230 --> 00:06:52,530 You're not using local, right? 192 00:06:52,710 --> 00:06:55,910 I have used the local, but it's not 193 00:06:55,910 --> 00:06:57,430 as, it's not as hard. 194 00:06:57,630 --> 00:07:00,390 Well, no, the context window is small because 195 00:07:00,390 --> 00:07:03,710 I only have a, you know, whatever, 20, 196 00:07:03,810 --> 00:07:05,010 24 gigs or something. 197 00:07:05,090 --> 00:07:07,290 So the, you know, by the time everything's 198 00:07:07,290 --> 00:07:09,550 loaded, the context window is just too small. 199 00:07:10,910 --> 00:07:12,810 But here's what I did just today. 200 00:07:13,230 --> 00:07:15,370 So I, you know, I'd forked off that 201 00:07:17,830 --> 00:07:19,370 Roadcaster, what is it called? 202 00:07:19,510 --> 00:07:21,230 The Pipewire routing. 203 00:07:22,830 --> 00:07:24,550 So that I could, you know, get the 204 00:07:24,550 --> 00:07:27,530 Roadcaster, all three interfaces working on Linux. 205 00:07:28,230 --> 00:07:30,110 And the problem that, and it took me 206 00:07:30,110 --> 00:07:31,730 quite a while to just get that done. 207 00:07:32,290 --> 00:07:34,090 And the problem I was having is that 208 00:07:34,090 --> 00:07:36,830 it decided to name stuff, but it was 209 00:07:36,830 --> 00:07:37,630 all wrong. 210 00:07:37,770 --> 00:07:40,530 So I was always sitting here like, okay, 211 00:07:40,570 --> 00:07:42,970 so for the clean feed, I don't want 212 00:07:42,970 --> 00:07:45,270 to use USB one chat. 213 00:07:45,410 --> 00:07:47,390 I want to use USB one main and 214 00:07:47,390 --> 00:07:49,650 USB chat is actually something else. 215 00:07:49,810 --> 00:07:51,790 And so I just told my little open 216 00:07:51,790 --> 00:07:55,630 code buddy, I said, Hey, Hey, take a 217 00:07:55,630 --> 00:07:56,670 look at these config files. 218 00:07:56,770 --> 00:07:58,290 Just go, go look at the stuff I'm 219 00:07:58,290 --> 00:08:00,970 using and, uh, and rename them. 220 00:08:04,150 --> 00:08:04,530 Okay. 221 00:08:05,230 --> 00:08:07,710 Uh, put it on the repo, let everybody 222 00:08:07,710 --> 00:08:08,010 know. 223 00:08:08,570 --> 00:08:10,270 I put the curry caster on the repo. 224 00:08:10,410 --> 00:08:11,230 He's got it on repo. 225 00:08:11,390 --> 00:08:11,990 I published. 226 00:08:12,350 --> 00:08:13,370 Oh, where is it? 227 00:08:13,450 --> 00:08:15,130 Do drop, please. 228 00:08:15,230 --> 00:08:16,010 Please drop a link. 229 00:08:16,110 --> 00:08:17,130 No, I'll just let me drop a link. 230 00:08:17,190 --> 00:08:17,970 I have my own repo. 231 00:08:18,110 --> 00:08:22,130 You see, I knew you wouldn't had a 232 00:08:22,130 --> 00:08:23,110 repo for a while. 233 00:08:23,950 --> 00:08:25,370 Where am I repo at? 234 00:08:25,430 --> 00:08:26,150 Hold on a second. 235 00:08:28,010 --> 00:08:28,490 Adam. 236 00:08:28,490 --> 00:08:32,090 It's at 19 one 99 is going to 237 00:08:32,090 --> 00:08:33,250 see one nine nine nine. 238 00:08:33,370 --> 00:08:33,730 No, no. 239 00:08:33,830 --> 00:08:35,030 One nine nine is a mistake. 240 00:08:35,090 --> 00:08:36,750 I made a long time ago. 241 00:08:36,990 --> 00:08:38,669 Oh, that's obfuscation. 242 00:08:38,929 --> 00:08:39,690 I forgot. 243 00:08:39,830 --> 00:08:42,929 I forgot a nine security through obscurity. 244 00:08:43,010 --> 00:08:43,310 Yes. 245 00:08:43,550 --> 00:08:45,290 Roadcaster pro two pipewire. 246 00:08:45,450 --> 00:08:45,670 Yeah. 247 00:08:45,770 --> 00:08:48,370 And, but then underneath that curry caster curry 248 00:08:48,370 --> 00:08:48,890 caster. 249 00:08:49,750 --> 00:08:50,230 Yes. 250 00:08:50,410 --> 00:08:52,170 This is what we're running on right now. 251 00:08:52,950 --> 00:08:53,270 Yeah. 252 00:08:53,430 --> 00:08:54,670 Look at those features. 253 00:08:55,290 --> 00:08:57,610 Now, is this the, um, there it is. 254 00:08:57,690 --> 00:08:58,090 Curry caster. 255 00:08:58,170 --> 00:08:58,390 Yeah. 256 00:08:58,930 --> 00:09:00,590 What we're running on right now, baby. 257 00:09:01,210 --> 00:09:04,990 So is this is where the problems you're 258 00:09:04,990 --> 00:09:06,930 talking about that you were able to fix 259 00:09:06,930 --> 00:09:10,470 with, uh, open code buddy or those, um, 260 00:09:10,690 --> 00:09:11,590 that was with pipewire. 261 00:09:11,970 --> 00:09:12,410 Yeah. 262 00:09:12,410 --> 00:09:14,950 But is that the reason that sometimes you, 263 00:09:15,030 --> 00:09:17,610 your, your rig would just fire off something 264 00:09:17,610 --> 00:09:18,190 at random? 265 00:09:18,550 --> 00:09:21,330 No, no, that, that is some, that's like 266 00:09:21,330 --> 00:09:23,730 static electricity or something that the midi is 267 00:09:23,730 --> 00:09:25,410 being midi was being triggered. 268 00:09:25,950 --> 00:09:29,250 It was one, one player, but, but it's 269 00:09:29,250 --> 00:09:30,170 just this. 270 00:09:30,250 --> 00:09:35,190 Cause you know, over the open, I got 271 00:09:35,190 --> 00:09:36,630 to play this for you. 272 00:09:36,630 --> 00:09:37,930 Um, okay. 273 00:09:38,370 --> 00:09:39,190 You got to play this. 274 00:09:39,390 --> 00:09:41,650 Uh, this is, uh, okay. 275 00:09:41,750 --> 00:09:43,570 This is funny for a number of reasons. 276 00:09:43,630 --> 00:09:45,690 One it's Kramer on CNBC. 277 00:09:45,730 --> 00:09:49,350 So inverse Kramer in effect, inverse Kramer to 278 00:09:49,350 --> 00:09:53,750 now we know that, um, Nvidia purchased or 279 00:09:53,750 --> 00:09:56,330 aqua hired, uh, open claw. 280 00:09:57,250 --> 00:09:57,810 Right. 281 00:09:57,870 --> 00:09:58,050 Yeah. 282 00:09:58,190 --> 00:09:58,630 Yeah. 283 00:09:58,810 --> 00:10:00,990 And they released a bunch of tools last 284 00:10:00,990 --> 00:10:02,190 this past week. 285 00:10:02,310 --> 00:10:02,510 Yeah. 286 00:10:02,610 --> 00:10:05,430 And maybe earlier Nemo claw and all this 287 00:10:05,430 --> 00:10:05,590 stuff. 288 00:10:05,650 --> 00:10:09,790 So listen to this conversation because I think 289 00:10:09,790 --> 00:10:12,230 we're at peak AI hype at this point 290 00:10:12,230 --> 00:10:15,050 where this bull crap is being spouted. 291 00:10:15,150 --> 00:10:17,430 Another game changer that we talking about open 292 00:10:17,430 --> 00:10:17,890 claw. 293 00:10:18,130 --> 00:10:20,430 I mean, open claw is something that sounds 294 00:10:20,430 --> 00:10:22,950 like a force multiplier bigger than we've ever 295 00:10:22,950 --> 00:10:23,270 had. 296 00:10:23,910 --> 00:10:26,330 It was open sourced just recently, a few 297 00:10:26,330 --> 00:10:26,830 weeks ago. 298 00:10:27,190 --> 00:10:28,230 No, no. 299 00:10:28,450 --> 00:10:29,950 It's been open source forever. 300 00:10:30,270 --> 00:10:31,050 So wrong. 301 00:10:31,430 --> 00:10:35,530 It is now the largest, most popular, the 302 00:10:35,530 --> 00:10:38,050 most successful open source project in the history 303 00:10:38,050 --> 00:10:38,770 of humanity. 304 00:10:39,030 --> 00:10:41,530 No, no, no. 305 00:10:41,530 --> 00:10:42,530 How about Linux? 306 00:10:42,750 --> 00:10:43,090 I'm sorry. 307 00:10:43,250 --> 00:10:43,890 GNU Linux. 308 00:10:44,730 --> 00:10:46,710 It's got more stars than other open source 309 00:10:46,710 --> 00:10:48,530 things on GitHub, but that doesn't mean it's 310 00:10:48,530 --> 00:10:52,790 the most popular in planetary history. 311 00:10:53,050 --> 00:10:53,630 I tell you. 312 00:10:53,730 --> 00:10:53,870 Yeah. 313 00:10:53,950 --> 00:10:57,550 So bull crap, most popular, the most successful 314 00:10:57,550 --> 00:11:00,130 open source project in the history of humanity. 315 00:11:02,030 --> 00:11:02,510 Wow. 316 00:11:02,830 --> 00:11:04,630 All the way back to Jesus. 317 00:11:06,030 --> 00:11:07,670 When you told me in November, it would 318 00:11:07,670 --> 00:11:08,750 be big in January. 319 00:11:09,490 --> 00:11:10,910 This could be the next thing. 320 00:11:11,070 --> 00:11:12,290 This is definitely the next chat. 321 00:11:12,550 --> 00:11:14,270 Why the hell aren't people talking? 322 00:11:14,450 --> 00:11:15,490 I'm saying, why aren't people talking? 323 00:11:15,690 --> 00:11:17,890 Well, there are phenomenons of open claw all 324 00:11:17,890 --> 00:11:19,010 over the world as we speak. 325 00:11:19,850 --> 00:11:21,050 You used to just say, I'm going to 326 00:11:21,050 --> 00:11:21,450 chat you. 327 00:11:21,510 --> 00:11:23,390 In one line of code, you could get 328 00:11:23,390 --> 00:11:25,210 yourself, I would, I would, you know, get 329 00:11:25,210 --> 00:11:25,930 a small computer. 330 00:11:27,050 --> 00:11:28,930 We have one that's called DGX Spark. 331 00:11:28,990 --> 00:11:30,410 You could also set it up in the 332 00:11:30,410 --> 00:11:30,650 cloud. 333 00:11:30,970 --> 00:11:32,890 In one line of code, you could create 334 00:11:32,890 --> 00:11:34,290 for yourself, your own agent. 335 00:11:34,690 --> 00:11:37,830 And you could then after that, just in 336 00:11:37,830 --> 00:11:39,810 one line of code, you can, you can 337 00:11:39,810 --> 00:11:42,790 create a complete security nightmare for yourself. 338 00:11:43,310 --> 00:11:44,370 Uh, on the cloud. 339 00:11:44,390 --> 00:11:44,790 It's great. 340 00:11:44,970 --> 00:11:46,170 Ask the agent to do whatever you want 341 00:11:46,170 --> 00:11:47,810 to be a lot smarter than this. 342 00:11:48,470 --> 00:11:49,830 We're still quite smart. 343 00:11:50,070 --> 00:11:51,590 Well, can we ask the agent to build 344 00:11:51,590 --> 00:11:52,850 us a heart? 345 00:11:53,330 --> 00:11:53,810 Okay. 346 00:11:54,010 --> 00:11:54,770 All right. 347 00:11:55,250 --> 00:11:57,870 Can we ask the agent to build us 348 00:11:57,870 --> 00:11:58,630 a heart? 349 00:11:58,810 --> 00:12:00,010 Oh, well, let's see. 350 00:12:00,310 --> 00:12:00,950 Still quite smart. 351 00:12:01,250 --> 00:12:02,770 Well, can we ask the agent to build 352 00:12:02,770 --> 00:12:04,990 us a heart so that we don't have 353 00:12:04,990 --> 00:12:06,370 to human transplants? 354 00:12:06,450 --> 00:12:07,630 You can build us a heart that is 355 00:12:07,630 --> 00:12:09,950 artificial so that we get away from the 356 00:12:09,950 --> 00:12:10,190 idea. 357 00:12:10,330 --> 00:12:14,890 This is an analyst on CNBC who is 358 00:12:14,890 --> 00:12:17,830 so bought into this hype that it, I 359 00:12:17,830 --> 00:12:20,430 mean, like this, I thought, I thought he 360 00:12:20,430 --> 00:12:20,970 was kidding. 361 00:12:21,150 --> 00:12:22,230 He's raised for real. 362 00:12:22,450 --> 00:12:24,030 He means this stuff, man. 363 00:12:24,130 --> 00:12:25,530 He means it so that we don't have 364 00:12:25,530 --> 00:12:26,910 to human transplants. 365 00:12:27,070 --> 00:12:28,190 He can build us a heart that is 366 00:12:28,190 --> 00:12:30,490 artificial so that we get away from the 367 00:12:30,490 --> 00:12:30,810 idea. 368 00:12:30,950 --> 00:12:32,190 I would have to do all kinds of 369 00:12:32,190 --> 00:12:32,770 mundane stuff. 370 00:12:32,910 --> 00:12:35,570 First, like for example, because this is the 371 00:12:35,570 --> 00:12:37,750 guy trying to roll it back now, easy 372 00:12:37,750 --> 00:12:39,150 with your open heart surgery. 373 00:12:39,250 --> 00:12:40,450 I think we should have to do some 374 00:12:40,450 --> 00:12:41,750 mundane tasks first. 375 00:12:42,050 --> 00:12:43,970 Oh, but let's see what kind of mundane 376 00:12:43,970 --> 00:12:45,950 tasks going to do mundane stuff. 377 00:12:46,090 --> 00:12:47,870 First, like for example, you know, design me 378 00:12:47,870 --> 00:12:48,410 a kitchen. 379 00:12:51,310 --> 00:12:54,310 This guy's getting real uncomfortable. 380 00:12:54,490 --> 00:12:56,590 He's like, wait, let's pull it back from 381 00:12:56,590 --> 00:12:57,530 the heart surgery. 382 00:12:57,870 --> 00:12:58,990 And let's, how about, let's just do a 383 00:12:58,990 --> 00:12:59,730 kitchen first. 384 00:13:00,010 --> 00:13:01,630 Now listen to the kitchen build. 385 00:13:02,290 --> 00:13:02,650 Okay. 386 00:13:02,850 --> 00:13:04,390 You know, here's a picture of, here's a 387 00:13:04,390 --> 00:13:05,410 picture of my Kermit kitchen. 388 00:13:05,770 --> 00:13:07,010 Here's a picture of a kitchen I would 389 00:13:07,010 --> 00:13:07,630 love to have. 390 00:13:08,150 --> 00:13:09,650 Now I would like you to go off 391 00:13:09,650 --> 00:13:12,490 and design that kitchen and select furniture to 392 00:13:12,490 --> 00:13:13,050 put in it. 393 00:13:13,950 --> 00:13:15,510 You'll go off and learn how to design 394 00:13:15,510 --> 00:13:18,110 a kitchen, use 3d tools, and actually read 395 00:13:18,110 --> 00:13:18,670 manuals. 396 00:13:18,770 --> 00:13:19,930 You can just see, watch it. 397 00:13:19,950 --> 00:13:20,950 It'll read manuals. 398 00:13:21,010 --> 00:13:22,450 The build a kitchen manual. 399 00:13:22,610 --> 00:13:22,810 Yes. 400 00:13:23,670 --> 00:13:26,330 It'll type in the terminal, man build kitchen, 401 00:13:26,530 --> 00:13:28,950 you know, reading manuals, trying new things. 402 00:13:29,070 --> 00:13:30,890 And then it'll come back with a design 403 00:13:30,890 --> 00:13:32,190 and it'll reflect on it. 404 00:13:32,210 --> 00:13:34,210 It'll say, Hey, this design that I came 405 00:13:34,210 --> 00:13:35,850 up with, isn't as good as the one 406 00:13:35,850 --> 00:13:37,010 that you showed me a picture of. 407 00:13:37,130 --> 00:13:37,870 Let me try again. 408 00:13:38,190 --> 00:13:39,450 Imagine that with your heart. 409 00:13:39,710 --> 00:13:40,790 Hey, this heart that I made. 410 00:13:40,810 --> 00:13:41,550 Isn't so good. 411 00:13:42,410 --> 00:13:43,530 It's again. 412 00:13:44,030 --> 00:13:44,390 Okay. 413 00:13:44,570 --> 00:13:48,110 So let's deal with the company that's laying 414 00:13:48,110 --> 00:13:48,650 people off. 415 00:13:48,650 --> 00:13:50,870 Every carpenter could now be an architect. 416 00:13:51,290 --> 00:13:54,770 Oh, every carpenter can now be an architect. 417 00:13:55,110 --> 00:13:55,370 Yeah. 418 00:13:57,490 --> 00:13:59,210 Plumber will become an architect. 419 00:13:59,410 --> 00:14:00,770 Every plumber can become an art. 420 00:14:00,870 --> 00:14:01,250 Everybody. 421 00:14:01,390 --> 00:14:03,390 You're an architect and you're an architect. 422 00:14:03,670 --> 00:14:04,270 You're an architect. 423 00:14:04,590 --> 00:14:07,030 We're going to elevate the capability of every 424 00:14:07,030 --> 00:14:07,470 company. 425 00:14:08,270 --> 00:14:10,470 Laying off people saying that, you know what? 426 00:14:11,250 --> 00:14:13,190 Nvidia is giving us the opportunity to do 427 00:14:13,190 --> 00:14:14,050 more with less. 428 00:14:14,470 --> 00:14:17,170 Why not do more with more because you're 429 00:14:17,170 --> 00:14:17,590 out of it. 430 00:14:17,730 --> 00:14:18,370 Why not? 431 00:14:18,750 --> 00:14:24,650 Why not do more with more? 432 00:14:24,730 --> 00:14:25,770 I tell you, you know what? 433 00:14:26,350 --> 00:14:28,270 Nvidia is giving us the opportunity to be 434 00:14:28,270 --> 00:14:29,390 able to do more with less. 435 00:14:29,770 --> 00:14:32,490 Why not do more with more because you're 436 00:14:32,490 --> 00:14:33,350 out of imagination. 437 00:14:33,670 --> 00:14:35,270 You're out of imagination. 438 00:14:35,870 --> 00:14:39,270 For companies with imagination, you will do more 439 00:14:39,270 --> 00:14:39,950 with less. 440 00:14:40,350 --> 00:14:42,370 For companies that are, you know, when the 441 00:14:42,370 --> 00:14:44,210 leadership is just out of ideas, they have 442 00:14:44,210 --> 00:14:45,150 nothing else to do. 443 00:14:45,690 --> 00:14:46,630 They have no reason. 444 00:14:47,090 --> 00:14:51,330 You need to buy more creation tokens, creativity 445 00:14:51,330 --> 00:14:52,390 tokens or whatever. 446 00:14:52,530 --> 00:14:53,710 Like you're out of ideas. 447 00:14:55,270 --> 00:14:57,170 These people are not real. 448 00:14:57,370 --> 00:14:58,210 Give me a break. 449 00:14:59,310 --> 00:14:59,970 I'm sorry. 450 00:15:00,470 --> 00:15:03,450 Look, it's like the response from OpenCode for 451 00:15:03,450 --> 00:15:06,450 my Nemo claws like, oops, there's a bug 452 00:15:06,450 --> 00:15:07,010 in your heart. 453 00:15:07,110 --> 00:15:10,070 Let's make a pull request and push it 454 00:15:10,070 --> 00:15:10,570 to the repo. 455 00:15:13,490 --> 00:15:17,910 Let's open a discussion about your heart not 456 00:15:17,910 --> 00:15:18,050 working. 457 00:15:18,050 --> 00:15:18,910 Would you like me to patch it? 458 00:15:19,890 --> 00:15:20,870 Give me a break. 459 00:15:20,930 --> 00:15:22,730 These people are stupid, man. 460 00:15:22,970 --> 00:15:24,490 This is so bad. 461 00:15:24,490 --> 00:15:29,670 So that said, to me, the the revolution 462 00:15:29,670 --> 00:15:31,710 that I have now, I'm finally it's just 463 00:15:31,710 --> 00:15:33,310 taking me a year and a half, Dave, 464 00:15:33,770 --> 00:15:35,590 you know, starting back with, oh, what was 465 00:15:35,590 --> 00:15:35,690 I? 466 00:15:35,910 --> 00:15:37,590 Mangus and all these other things I was 467 00:15:37,590 --> 00:15:37,910 trying. 468 00:15:38,450 --> 00:15:39,490 Now, I remember that. 469 00:15:39,570 --> 00:15:39,830 Yeah. 470 00:15:39,970 --> 00:15:40,270 Yeah. 471 00:15:40,370 --> 00:15:42,070 So do they exist anymore? 472 00:15:42,970 --> 00:15:45,250 I think they got aqua hired or something. 473 00:15:45,310 --> 00:15:45,690 I don't know. 474 00:15:46,090 --> 00:15:47,930 I have to check all my subscriptions. 475 00:15:48,130 --> 00:15:49,790 I'm sure I'm paying 20 bucks to at 476 00:15:49,790 --> 00:15:50,730 least a hundred companies. 477 00:15:51,690 --> 00:15:51,790 Probably. 478 00:15:52,510 --> 00:15:57,630 But this in combination with a little bit 479 00:15:57,630 --> 00:16:00,930 of knowledge of your own machine, this this 480 00:16:00,930 --> 00:16:03,550 is the game changer, the productivity that is 481 00:16:03,550 --> 00:16:06,670 giving me to make my my tool, my 482 00:16:06,670 --> 00:16:08,230 main tool, which is my computer. 483 00:16:08,350 --> 00:16:10,730 You know, it's not just a dumb box 484 00:16:10,730 --> 00:16:12,570 and I have to live within the confines 485 00:16:12,570 --> 00:16:13,170 of Windows. 486 00:16:13,650 --> 00:16:15,490 I can have anything I want. 487 00:16:15,630 --> 00:16:17,390 So I can do more with more. 488 00:16:17,690 --> 00:16:19,530 I can imagine. 489 00:16:21,030 --> 00:16:24,130 But what happens is so today I went 490 00:16:24,130 --> 00:16:26,030 through this this process of, OK, what is 491 00:16:26,030 --> 00:16:27,730 the stuff that's really bugging me that I 492 00:16:27,730 --> 00:16:29,750 just can't figure out or it's going to 493 00:16:29,750 --> 00:16:30,970 take me too long or I have to 494 00:16:30,970 --> 00:16:32,310 set aside too much time? 495 00:16:32,410 --> 00:16:36,050 And it was the renaming of the of 496 00:16:36,050 --> 00:16:38,910 the Rodecaster Pipewire interfaces. 497 00:16:39,670 --> 00:16:41,370 Another one that's been bugging me for a 498 00:16:41,370 --> 00:16:41,470 while. 499 00:16:41,490 --> 00:16:44,510 We have this thing called Godcaster Live and 500 00:16:44,510 --> 00:16:47,330 Godcaster Live lets you spin up a twenty 501 00:16:47,330 --> 00:16:50,650 four seven stream from the most recent episodes 502 00:16:50,650 --> 00:16:52,910 from podcasts that you choose. 503 00:16:53,730 --> 00:16:54,450 And it's pretty cool. 504 00:16:55,190 --> 00:16:57,470 You can you can insert station IDs in 505 00:16:57,470 --> 00:16:59,830 between and all kinds of different stuff. 506 00:16:59,870 --> 00:17:00,650 And it just runs. 507 00:17:00,810 --> 00:17:03,150 So whenever you know, whenever it sees in 508 00:17:03,150 --> 00:17:05,390 the list that a new episode is dropped 509 00:17:05,390 --> 00:17:07,510 from one of those podcasts, it schedules it 510 00:17:07,510 --> 00:17:07,869 next. 511 00:17:08,170 --> 00:17:09,290 So it's always kind of fresh. 512 00:17:09,410 --> 00:17:11,369 It's a great way to dip your toe 513 00:17:11,369 --> 00:17:13,569 into some of the podcasts that this Godcast 514 00:17:13,569 --> 00:17:14,869 station is is providing. 515 00:17:16,170 --> 00:17:19,490 And so we have about 42 of them 516 00:17:19,490 --> 00:17:21,990 running right now, and I'm running on a 517 00:17:21,990 --> 00:17:26,470 eight gigabyte Linode server. 518 00:17:27,850 --> 00:17:30,790 And, you know, I knew it wasn't efficient 519 00:17:31,430 --> 00:17:33,130 because it's doing it's doing a lot of 520 00:17:33,130 --> 00:17:33,370 things. 521 00:17:33,370 --> 00:17:36,810 It's spinning up FFMPEG streams, which is really 522 00:17:36,810 --> 00:17:40,350 the the biggest part, you know, it's doing 523 00:17:40,350 --> 00:17:43,030 to make these podcasts kind of flow. 524 00:17:43,210 --> 00:17:46,890 It's doing some in stream FFMPEG processing in 525 00:17:46,890 --> 00:17:47,310 stream. 526 00:17:48,390 --> 00:17:52,390 It's talking to the API at very frequent 527 00:17:52,390 --> 00:17:54,190 interval interval in order. 528 00:17:54,310 --> 00:17:56,110 You're doing like crossfades and stuff, too, right? 529 00:17:57,750 --> 00:18:01,370 Yeah, but like zero point five seconds, just 530 00:18:01,370 --> 00:18:02,850 real quick, you know, from one to the 531 00:18:02,850 --> 00:18:06,330 next, certainly with the station, there's it's processing 532 00:18:06,330 --> 00:18:09,290 power and I'm just seeing it's like it's 533 00:18:09,290 --> 00:18:10,830 not very I can see it. 534 00:18:10,910 --> 00:18:12,670 You know, how do I scale this thing 535 00:18:12,670 --> 00:18:16,430 to, you know, 400 streams on one box? 536 00:18:20,010 --> 00:18:22,370 Spoiler alert, that'll never happen on this box. 537 00:18:22,690 --> 00:18:25,630 But so I said, you know, because I 538 00:18:25,630 --> 00:18:29,150 just said, OK, go check this out. 539 00:18:29,490 --> 00:18:32,290 It SSH is right into the machine, you 540 00:18:32,290 --> 00:18:34,490 know, because it's just using my local machine. 541 00:18:34,670 --> 00:18:36,090 So SSH and you have it in plan 542 00:18:36,090 --> 00:18:36,410 mode. 543 00:18:36,430 --> 00:18:37,690 So it's not going to build anything. 544 00:18:37,930 --> 00:18:38,910 It goes in. 545 00:18:38,990 --> 00:18:42,150 It understands the system just by looking at 546 00:18:42,150 --> 00:18:42,850 log files. 547 00:18:42,950 --> 00:18:44,490 You can see all that everything that's doing. 548 00:18:44,630 --> 00:18:45,910 It's faster than I can do it for 549 00:18:45,910 --> 00:18:46,230 sure. 550 00:18:46,850 --> 00:18:49,990 It's in plan mode, but still tell me 551 00:18:49,990 --> 00:18:53,990 even in plan mode, man mode, like you 552 00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:55,690 still your butt draws up in a knot, 553 00:18:55,710 --> 00:18:55,970 right? 554 00:18:55,990 --> 00:18:57,770 When SSH is into your server and you're 555 00:18:57,770 --> 00:18:59,090 like, oh, my God, what is it going 556 00:18:59,090 --> 00:19:00,610 to do now? 557 00:19:00,990 --> 00:19:02,790 No, I would be so nervous. 558 00:19:03,070 --> 00:19:04,070 I would be so nervous. 559 00:19:04,750 --> 00:19:06,850 I mean, before I did this, I made 560 00:19:06,850 --> 00:19:09,510 a snapshot of the server, obviously. 561 00:19:09,730 --> 00:19:11,650 OK, I'm not a total idiot. 562 00:19:11,770 --> 00:19:12,590 I've been around. 563 00:19:13,390 --> 00:19:15,990 So if anything happens, I can always roll 564 00:19:15,990 --> 00:19:16,850 back to a snapshot. 565 00:19:17,210 --> 00:19:20,050 And so I felt pretty comfortable and maybe 566 00:19:20,050 --> 00:19:23,410 30 minutes of work and, you know, interactive 567 00:19:23,410 --> 00:19:25,910 and, you know, it's asking me questions and 568 00:19:25,910 --> 00:19:29,630 I'm like, OK, yeah, you know, and says, 569 00:19:29,730 --> 00:19:30,790 well, here's the thing we can do. 570 00:19:30,850 --> 00:19:36,210 We can put eight, eight streams into one 571 00:19:36,210 --> 00:19:39,330 FFMPEG process instead of having eight separate ones. 572 00:19:40,010 --> 00:19:41,230 You can have slots. 573 00:19:41,290 --> 00:19:42,690 I mean, the stuff I didn't even know 574 00:19:42,690 --> 00:19:47,950 you could do and the the the reduction 575 00:19:47,950 --> 00:19:50,750 in server load is 80 percent. 576 00:19:51,070 --> 00:19:52,210 Oh, wow. 577 00:19:52,430 --> 00:19:52,750 Yes. 578 00:19:53,210 --> 00:19:53,710 Yes. 579 00:19:54,250 --> 00:19:55,930 This is this is phenomenal. 580 00:19:56,810 --> 00:19:58,310 So that kind of stuff is now the 581 00:19:58,310 --> 00:20:00,390 reduction in server load was 80 percent from 582 00:20:00,390 --> 00:20:00,970 what you had. 583 00:20:01,030 --> 00:20:02,410 But the real question is. 584 00:20:03,970 --> 00:20:06,930 How does it scale up and what is 585 00:20:06,930 --> 00:20:07,170 this? 586 00:20:07,530 --> 00:20:09,650 What is the scaling load now? 587 00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:12,090 So as you go from what you are 588 00:20:12,090 --> 00:20:14,010 now, do you have. 589 00:20:15,330 --> 00:20:19,130 Like how how much more efficient is each 590 00:20:19,130 --> 00:20:21,790 stream, you know, it's effectively. 591 00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:29,210 OK, because the biggest overhead is FFMPEG, so 592 00:20:29,210 --> 00:20:32,390 when you're taking eight FFMPEG streams and bundling 593 00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:36,930 that into one FFMPEG stream, there's your, you 594 00:20:36,930 --> 00:20:39,330 know, eight fold reduction in essence. 595 00:20:40,730 --> 00:20:43,590 So I could scale this box up probably 596 00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:46,190 four to five times, I'm thinking. 597 00:20:46,890 --> 00:20:50,190 And OK, so you could get maybe 300 598 00:20:50,190 --> 00:20:50,590 streams. 599 00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:50,970 Yeah. 600 00:20:51,010 --> 00:20:51,190 Yeah. 601 00:20:51,330 --> 00:20:51,630 Somewhere. 602 00:20:51,770 --> 00:20:51,870 Yeah. 603 00:20:51,970 --> 00:20:52,130 OK. 604 00:20:52,130 --> 00:20:53,350 Fifty to three hundred. 605 00:20:53,930 --> 00:20:56,990 You know that that in 30 minutes, you 606 00:20:56,990 --> 00:20:58,730 know, I've had on my list for months 607 00:20:58,730 --> 00:21:00,510 optimize code. 608 00:21:01,990 --> 00:21:02,510 Yeah. 609 00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:03,030 Yeah. 610 00:21:03,030 --> 00:21:04,010 I've got a few of those. 611 00:21:04,190 --> 00:21:07,970 Where do you get some streamlined channel stream 612 00:21:07,970 --> 00:21:08,430 code? 613 00:21:08,810 --> 00:21:09,150 Yeah. 614 00:21:10,270 --> 00:21:10,790 Yeah. 615 00:21:10,890 --> 00:21:11,750 No, I'm there. 616 00:21:12,350 --> 00:21:17,430 So that to me is a 100 percent 617 00:21:17,430 --> 00:21:17,990 revolution. 618 00:21:18,190 --> 00:21:20,330 And and I hope when people see the 619 00:21:20,330 --> 00:21:23,750 curry caster that they enjoy it, you know, 620 00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:25,690 that they use it, that they improve on 621 00:21:25,690 --> 00:21:27,050 it, that they can use it for their 622 00:21:27,050 --> 00:21:27,930 for their part. 623 00:21:28,050 --> 00:21:30,590 It's it's it's one big Python script, you 624 00:21:30,590 --> 00:21:31,490 know, not even that big. 625 00:21:32,250 --> 00:21:33,350 And it just works. 626 00:21:33,570 --> 00:21:33,870 Trademark. 627 00:21:33,930 --> 00:21:35,690 That's your signature programming style. 628 00:21:35,850 --> 00:21:37,830 One big one gigantic program. 629 00:21:38,510 --> 00:21:41,690 Yeah, that's that's my that's my vibe, man. 630 00:21:42,150 --> 00:21:42,370 Yeah. 631 00:21:42,570 --> 00:21:44,730 One day you're going to have your own 632 00:21:44,730 --> 00:21:46,270 OS and it's just going to be one. 633 00:21:47,130 --> 00:21:49,190 It's going to be one two million line 634 00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:49,930 Python script. 635 00:21:50,270 --> 00:21:50,550 I did. 636 00:21:50,670 --> 00:21:54,450 I did say, hey, for the Godcaster. 637 00:21:54,610 --> 00:21:56,170 So I say, hey, which is also well, 638 00:21:56,190 --> 00:21:57,570 it's a couple of different scripts because you've 639 00:21:57,570 --> 00:21:59,690 got an API script and you've got, you 640 00:21:59,690 --> 00:22:01,910 know, but the main script runs per player. 641 00:22:01,990 --> 00:22:03,770 It runs it as a system service. 642 00:22:04,150 --> 00:22:05,730 And there's a lot of smart, I think, 643 00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:06,990 personally smart stuff in there. 644 00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:10,150 And I did say, hey, what would it 645 00:22:10,150 --> 00:22:13,510 take to refactor that whole thing? 646 00:22:13,730 --> 00:22:14,670 Split this up a little bit. 647 00:22:15,210 --> 00:22:15,390 Yeah. 648 00:22:15,470 --> 00:22:16,530 And it says, you know, we could do 649 00:22:16,530 --> 00:22:17,210 this, do that. 650 00:22:17,270 --> 00:22:18,590 But it really came back. 651 00:22:18,670 --> 00:22:20,250 So it would take two to four hours, 652 00:22:20,370 --> 00:22:22,150 you know, with your interaction to figure it 653 00:22:22,150 --> 00:22:22,450 all out. 654 00:22:22,570 --> 00:22:23,490 But why? 655 00:22:23,690 --> 00:22:24,450 This works great. 656 00:22:24,530 --> 00:22:25,590 It's just one big script. 657 00:22:25,670 --> 00:22:26,350 What's your problem? 658 00:22:26,450 --> 00:22:27,910 And I love you, OpenCode. 659 00:22:28,090 --> 00:22:29,130 I love you. 660 00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:31,730 I love you, OpenCode buddy. 661 00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:34,110 My OpenCode buddy is great. 662 00:22:34,930 --> 00:22:37,990 And, you know, so it's really helped me 663 00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:42,570 build these your town live streaming stations. 664 00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:43,830 Oh, man. 665 00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:47,430 I was showing our partner Gordon and, you 666 00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:48,370 know, Gordon is great. 667 00:22:48,770 --> 00:22:50,030 You know, it's like I said, hey, watch 668 00:22:50,030 --> 00:22:50,310 this. 669 00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:52,030 You program the whole thing in this chat 670 00:22:52,030 --> 00:22:52,610 interface. 671 00:22:53,150 --> 00:22:54,630 He's like, well, what about the prompts? 672 00:22:54,670 --> 00:22:56,070 Don't you have to tell people about the 673 00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:56,830 prompts that they need? 674 00:22:56,890 --> 00:22:58,410 I said, no, no, you just you just 675 00:22:58,410 --> 00:23:01,370 say, you know, show me a Sunday eight 676 00:23:01,370 --> 00:23:01,750 o'clock. 677 00:23:01,750 --> 00:23:03,650 And then and so he's trying to trick 678 00:23:03,650 --> 00:23:05,750 the system with stuff I've never even tried. 679 00:23:06,090 --> 00:23:08,270 He's like, all right, show me every single 680 00:23:08,270 --> 00:23:09,670 day, Monday to Friday, 6 a.m. to 681 00:23:09,670 --> 00:23:11,710 10 a.m. I just type it in 682 00:23:11,710 --> 00:23:13,870 exactly as he said it pops up, works. 683 00:23:14,250 --> 00:23:17,230 I mean, it's creating promos on the fly. 684 00:23:17,670 --> 00:23:22,970 It's remixing things and all built with vibe 685 00:23:22,970 --> 00:23:23,350 coding. 686 00:23:23,630 --> 00:23:26,970 And certainly this next iteration, this latest version 687 00:23:26,970 --> 00:23:28,430 with with OpenCode. 688 00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:29,530 Oh, man. 689 00:23:29,570 --> 00:23:31,110 I've got deployment scripts now. 690 00:23:31,930 --> 00:23:33,550 So, oh, you got a new station, which 691 00:23:33,550 --> 00:23:36,250 I'm firing up a new one. 692 00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:39,730 Oh, so now you don't have to do 693 00:23:39,730 --> 00:23:41,950 the whole cloning thing, the cloning thing. 694 00:23:43,250 --> 00:23:46,090 It even does the DNS, the CNA, does 695 00:23:46,090 --> 00:23:46,330 the. 696 00:23:47,390 --> 00:23:50,970 I had a big readme file like clone 697 00:23:50,970 --> 00:23:53,090 server and then and then you go in 698 00:23:53,090 --> 00:23:53,670 that readme. 699 00:23:53,790 --> 00:23:55,570 OK, first you do this, then you change 700 00:23:55,570 --> 00:23:55,870 that. 701 00:23:56,050 --> 00:23:58,110 Remember to replace that that thing. 702 00:23:58,590 --> 00:23:59,030 Yeah. 703 00:23:59,250 --> 00:24:01,310 In sysadmin terms, you call that a runbook. 704 00:24:01,670 --> 00:24:01,910 Yeah. 705 00:24:02,090 --> 00:24:02,530 Runbook. 706 00:24:02,690 --> 00:24:03,010 Yes. 707 00:24:03,130 --> 00:24:05,050 Oh, that's another good runbook. 708 00:24:05,450 --> 00:24:05,670 Yeah. 709 00:24:05,710 --> 00:24:07,810 So I had a runbook, which consisted of 710 00:24:07,810 --> 00:24:10,010 all this technical debt that I'd created of 711 00:24:10,010 --> 00:24:13,350 hard coding domain names and stuff like that. 712 00:24:13,450 --> 00:24:15,070 You know, you know, you know what? 713 00:24:15,130 --> 00:24:15,370 Oh, yeah. 714 00:24:15,550 --> 00:24:15,770 Yeah. 715 00:24:15,930 --> 00:24:17,710 And so I know to me, I'm just 716 00:24:17,710 --> 00:24:19,190 I could not be a happier guy. 717 00:24:19,630 --> 00:24:21,690 I'm I love OpenCode. 718 00:24:21,770 --> 00:24:23,070 I love that it's open source. 719 00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:24,330 I want to support those guys. 720 00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:25,930 They don't even have a donate button or 721 00:24:25,930 --> 00:24:26,210 anything. 722 00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:28,290 I don't know how they're doing it, but 723 00:24:28,290 --> 00:24:30,730 I think it's maybe there's some Nvidia shield 724 00:24:30,730 --> 00:24:31,790 thing on the back end. 725 00:24:31,870 --> 00:24:32,410 I don't know. 726 00:24:33,130 --> 00:24:34,590 Wouldn't surprise me. 727 00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:37,630 But do you have guardrails on it? 728 00:24:37,630 --> 00:24:38,790 I mean, like if you're going in there 729 00:24:38,790 --> 00:24:41,690 and said, you know, don't execute these kinds 730 00:24:41,690 --> 00:24:43,510 of commands on OpenCode. 731 00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:43,870 Yes. 732 00:24:44,030 --> 00:24:44,250 Yes. 733 00:24:44,370 --> 00:24:44,630 Yeah. 734 00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:44,830 Yeah. 735 00:24:44,910 --> 00:24:47,410 And it can't it can't it doesn't have 736 00:24:47,410 --> 00:24:47,730 root. 737 00:24:48,910 --> 00:24:50,150 So it pops up. 738 00:24:50,250 --> 00:24:53,110 It uses PK, EXE, I think. 739 00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:55,290 And so it pops open a dialogue and 740 00:24:55,290 --> 00:24:57,050 then I can decide whether I want to 741 00:24:57,050 --> 00:24:57,930 type in the password. 742 00:24:58,470 --> 00:25:00,810 OK, so that that stuff is good. 743 00:25:01,630 --> 00:25:04,410 But anyway, back to I think that this 744 00:25:04,410 --> 00:25:06,190 is peak AI nonsense. 745 00:25:06,190 --> 00:25:09,350 What I'm hearing from Kramer and the CEO, 746 00:25:09,530 --> 00:25:12,770 you know, Jensen Wang of of Nvidia. 747 00:25:13,610 --> 00:25:15,590 Do you really pronounce that Wang? 748 00:25:15,770 --> 00:25:17,330 I'm pronouncing it Wang. 749 00:25:17,630 --> 00:25:17,890 OK. 750 00:25:18,110 --> 00:25:18,250 OK. 751 00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:20,350 Wang, whatever his name is. 752 00:25:21,470 --> 00:25:23,990 If if that is the next chat GPT 753 00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:24,870 open claw. 754 00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:25,710 No. 755 00:25:26,350 --> 00:25:27,630 Go look at the skills. 756 00:25:27,630 --> 00:25:28,450 They're dumb. 757 00:25:29,010 --> 00:25:29,730 This is not there. 758 00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:31,870 Oh, I can turn my lights on. 759 00:25:32,370 --> 00:25:34,530 Oh, I get a weather report. 760 00:25:34,690 --> 00:25:35,450 Oh, it's great. 761 00:25:36,170 --> 00:25:38,230 You know, oh, I don't show me the 762 00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:41,650 person who designed the kitchen for show me 763 00:25:41,650 --> 00:25:42,150 that guy. 764 00:25:42,770 --> 00:25:44,670 I heard I heard Wong. 765 00:25:44,890 --> 00:25:45,070 OK. 766 00:25:45,770 --> 00:25:46,590 Jensen Wong. 767 00:25:47,910 --> 00:25:51,930 That I heard something depressing to me. 768 00:25:52,010 --> 00:25:54,330 I think last night I had a hard 769 00:25:54,330 --> 00:25:55,110 time sleeping last night. 770 00:25:55,130 --> 00:25:56,310 So I was up like three o'clock 771 00:25:56,310 --> 00:25:56,630 funny. 772 00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:58,150 I was I was up at three forty 773 00:25:58,150 --> 00:25:58,490 five. 774 00:25:58,590 --> 00:25:59,230 We could have texted. 775 00:26:00,410 --> 00:26:01,650 We could have sugar. 776 00:26:02,010 --> 00:26:03,090 I didn't even think about it. 777 00:26:03,210 --> 00:26:04,090 Yeah, I realize. 778 00:26:04,650 --> 00:26:06,890 But I was trying. 779 00:26:07,030 --> 00:26:08,330 I was just getting some coffee and stuff 780 00:26:08,330 --> 00:26:11,910 and watching a YouTube video of a channel 781 00:26:11,910 --> 00:26:12,390 that I follow. 782 00:26:12,490 --> 00:26:14,790 And they were they were interviewing this guy 783 00:26:14,790 --> 00:26:17,590 who's deep into the he's been in the 784 00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:19,330 he's one of these guys that was in 785 00:26:19,330 --> 00:26:22,810 the the transformer model era of A.I. 786 00:26:23,390 --> 00:26:27,450 back pre before it hit the scene. 787 00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:30,050 So, you know, he was deep in there 788 00:26:30,050 --> 00:26:30,610 before. 789 00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:33,890 So he's doing just the research part. 790 00:26:34,890 --> 00:26:38,030 And they were talking about how. 791 00:26:39,270 --> 00:26:42,350 Well, his opinion was, we have a long 792 00:26:42,350 --> 00:26:46,450 way to go before we reach peak nonsense. 793 00:26:47,090 --> 00:26:50,350 And because what he was saying was. 794 00:26:51,130 --> 00:26:56,090 That people misunderstand on in scenarios like this, 795 00:26:56,110 --> 00:26:59,450 where there's some new radical new technology, people 796 00:26:59,450 --> 00:27:03,190 always misunderstand how where they are on the 797 00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:04,330 early adopter curve. 798 00:27:05,630 --> 00:27:06,050 And so. 799 00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:10,830 People who are techie, which is, you know, 800 00:27:11,290 --> 00:27:13,170 us and everybody listens to this show and 801 00:27:13,170 --> 00:27:15,610 all the people that that are I mean, 802 00:27:15,650 --> 00:27:17,730 if you're if you're listening to the boardroom 803 00:27:17,730 --> 00:27:19,450 right now, you're probably pretty techie. 804 00:27:20,210 --> 00:27:23,870 You are way to the left on the 805 00:27:23,870 --> 00:27:26,290 early adopter curve, farther to the left than 806 00:27:26,290 --> 00:27:27,410 you realize you are. 807 00:27:27,810 --> 00:27:30,490 And so the the the amount of time 808 00:27:30,490 --> 00:27:32,990 it's going to take for peak A.I. 809 00:27:33,030 --> 00:27:37,770 nonsense to reach the average person is it's 810 00:27:37,770 --> 00:27:39,310 going to probably take a few years. 811 00:27:39,490 --> 00:27:40,870 I think we have a lot more pain 812 00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:45,110 to go of nonsense before we actually get 813 00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:45,730 to the peak. 814 00:27:46,030 --> 00:27:48,490 I'm trying to make a comparison between this 815 00:27:48,490 --> 00:27:51,350 open claw hype and I would say in 816 00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:54,250 a way it was almost like. 817 00:27:55,370 --> 00:27:59,730 Somewhere between mosaic and Netscape, you know, mosaic 818 00:27:59,730 --> 00:28:01,910 was maybe it is maybe it's our mosaic 819 00:28:01,910 --> 00:28:04,950 moment like, oh, OK, I see. 820 00:28:05,230 --> 00:28:07,030 I get red ball dot gif. 821 00:28:07,130 --> 00:28:09,110 OK, yeah, I can use that. 822 00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:10,310 I see how that works. 823 00:28:10,350 --> 00:28:11,490 I got blink tags. 824 00:28:11,870 --> 00:28:13,370 I think we're in the blink tag era 825 00:28:13,370 --> 00:28:16,130 with with open claw because there's enough people 826 00:28:16,130 --> 00:28:20,570 rushing out, getting cloud servers, influencers charging 100 827 00:28:20,570 --> 00:28:24,330 bucks a month for a preconfigured open claw 828 00:28:24,330 --> 00:28:24,970 server. 829 00:28:26,090 --> 00:28:29,170 And, you know, it is the number one 830 00:28:29,170 --> 00:28:30,470 token muncher. 831 00:28:30,790 --> 00:28:32,730 If you if you look at all that, 832 00:28:32,830 --> 00:28:34,510 I forget whether it is there's a maybe 833 00:28:34,510 --> 00:28:37,850 it's open router, but they show you, you 834 00:28:37,850 --> 00:28:39,430 know, who's munching the most tokens. 835 00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:40,350 It's all open claw. 836 00:28:40,670 --> 00:28:43,030 Everything else is kind of, you know, leveled 837 00:28:43,030 --> 00:28:43,890 off a little bit. 838 00:28:44,910 --> 00:28:46,870 And, you know, at a certain point, you 839 00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:49,730 know, like 80, 90, 100 dollars, like how 840 00:28:49,730 --> 00:28:50,610 much fun is this thing? 841 00:28:50,670 --> 00:28:50,870 Really? 842 00:28:50,910 --> 00:28:52,210 What did it really do for me? 843 00:28:53,210 --> 00:28:55,990 Well, speaking of popping a termie, I'm probably 844 00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:59,710 like I'm I may I may be on 845 00:28:59,710 --> 00:29:04,070 the curry caster soon because I cannot handle 846 00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:04,970 windows anymore. 847 00:29:05,610 --> 00:29:07,590 I'm I'm so done with windows. 848 00:29:07,850 --> 00:29:10,110 Yeah, I'm I'm about to just nuke every 849 00:29:10,110 --> 00:29:14,030 box I have and start over with Nixos. 850 00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:16,910 Oh, you got to go hardcore, hardcore. 851 00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:22,690 I dove into the Nix deep end and 852 00:29:22,690 --> 00:29:24,070 I'm actually digging it. 853 00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:26,350 I actually like it a lot because and 854 00:29:26,350 --> 00:29:28,510 I've got I've got hyperland on it and 855 00:29:28,510 --> 00:29:30,230 I've got I've said I've set it up 856 00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:33,110 a lot like the way in a marching 857 00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:33,770 box would be. 858 00:29:34,930 --> 00:29:37,130 But what's the difference between Nix and Arch? 859 00:29:38,330 --> 00:29:43,350 Well, Nix is it's a whole different way 860 00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:46,110 of building the system up from the ground 861 00:29:46,110 --> 00:29:46,390 up. 862 00:29:46,490 --> 00:29:49,170 So there's there is a there's a package 863 00:29:49,170 --> 00:29:52,650 repository, but you don't you don't install if 864 00:29:52,650 --> 00:29:54,190 you're doing it the native Nix way. 865 00:29:54,290 --> 00:29:56,670 You don't install packages with a package manager. 866 00:29:57,670 --> 00:30:00,890 Every everything, like literally everything in the system 867 00:30:00,890 --> 00:30:03,450 is controlled with this one configuration file. 868 00:30:04,050 --> 00:30:05,590 And so you go in there and you 869 00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:08,630 you type into the configuration file the a 870 00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:10,570 package that you want to install and any 871 00:30:10,570 --> 00:30:13,930 install options you put, you know, hard static 872 00:30:13,930 --> 00:30:16,450 IP addresses, all the all this kind of 873 00:30:16,450 --> 00:30:16,630 stuff. 874 00:30:16,690 --> 00:30:19,010 You put it all into one single configuration 875 00:30:19,010 --> 00:30:20,970 file and then you run a rebuild script 876 00:30:20,970 --> 00:30:24,910 and it just looks at what you what 877 00:30:24,910 --> 00:30:27,110 your options are that you specified in the 878 00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:30,670 config file, downloads all the appropriate software, makes 879 00:30:30,670 --> 00:30:33,050 all the configuration changes in the system, compiles 880 00:30:33,050 --> 00:30:34,130 everything from source. 881 00:30:34,490 --> 00:30:36,050 And the big and the big thing is 882 00:30:36,050 --> 00:30:38,350 when it compiles it from source, it compiles 883 00:30:38,350 --> 00:30:41,470 it as monolithic executables with the libraries included. 884 00:30:41,870 --> 00:30:45,030 So you don't have like library conflicts. 885 00:30:45,370 --> 00:30:47,810 OK, I see, you know, where this package 886 00:30:47,810 --> 00:30:50,150 needs this version of glibc and this other 887 00:30:50,150 --> 00:30:52,010 one needs this other version and you can't 888 00:30:52,010 --> 00:30:52,730 get it to run. 889 00:30:53,290 --> 00:30:54,830 Everything's compiled monolithic. 890 00:30:55,570 --> 00:30:56,770 And so the thing is, like when you 891 00:30:56,770 --> 00:30:58,930 get a working system that you're happy with, 892 00:30:59,590 --> 00:31:01,330 you take that you can take that config 893 00:31:01,330 --> 00:31:03,850 file, stick it on a on a fresh 894 00:31:03,850 --> 00:31:06,530 box, run the rebuild, and you've essentially just 895 00:31:06,530 --> 00:31:08,450 replicated your system from scratch. 896 00:31:09,170 --> 00:31:10,850 Everything just goes right back to normal. 897 00:31:12,250 --> 00:31:14,190 It's it's pretty right now. 898 00:31:14,250 --> 00:31:15,450 It's it's it's fiddly. 899 00:31:16,110 --> 00:31:16,970 You know, it's fiddly. 900 00:31:17,130 --> 00:31:19,570 I mean, you it's you can't just do 901 00:31:19,570 --> 00:31:23,530 apt to get, you know, or whatever, install 902 00:31:23,530 --> 00:31:24,630 the this. 903 00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:26,250 You have to go in the configuration file. 904 00:31:26,350 --> 00:31:30,210 You got to find the right configuration syntax 905 00:31:30,210 --> 00:31:31,650 to use for these packages. 906 00:31:32,090 --> 00:31:35,950 But it's, you know, with the way things 907 00:31:35,950 --> 00:31:39,010 are googling things, when it comes up with 908 00:31:39,010 --> 00:31:41,130 the little AI helper thing on the Google 909 00:31:41,130 --> 00:31:43,530 results, nine times out of 10, it just 910 00:31:43,530 --> 00:31:44,510 nails it the first time. 911 00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:46,590 And so the idea there is that you 912 00:31:46,590 --> 00:31:48,730 can take your config file and throw it 913 00:31:48,730 --> 00:31:50,470 on a new box and build your box 914 00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:51,690 exactly the way you want it. 915 00:31:52,030 --> 00:31:54,570 Yes, that's one of the advantages is you 916 00:31:54,570 --> 00:31:58,470 can easily replicate a box with with no 917 00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:59,330 effort, basically. 918 00:31:59,850 --> 00:32:02,310 And then the other thing is you have 919 00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:03,230 snapshots. 920 00:32:03,490 --> 00:32:06,150 So anytime you make a configuration change, you 921 00:32:06,150 --> 00:32:07,030 can go right back. 922 00:32:07,330 --> 00:32:09,250 It snapshots the previous one. 923 00:32:09,330 --> 00:32:11,470 And so if something messes up, you can 924 00:32:11,470 --> 00:32:12,950 just roll it right back to the last 925 00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:13,950 good configure. 926 00:32:14,150 --> 00:32:14,830 It's declared. 927 00:32:14,890 --> 00:32:17,110 It's declarative configuration is what it is. 928 00:32:17,290 --> 00:32:18,690 I have I have one more. 929 00:32:18,890 --> 00:32:21,350 But you know that Lenovo ThinkPad I got. 930 00:32:22,730 --> 00:32:23,170 Yeah. 931 00:32:23,290 --> 00:32:24,330 You advise me on. 932 00:32:24,970 --> 00:32:26,130 So that's my target. 933 00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:27,550 That's that's the mobile rig. 934 00:32:27,690 --> 00:32:29,190 And that's now going on Marchi. 935 00:32:29,330 --> 00:32:31,430 That's going to end the curry caster. 936 00:32:32,110 --> 00:32:36,150 I was using this commercial package to called 937 00:32:36,150 --> 00:32:38,810 M M Air List. 938 00:32:39,170 --> 00:32:40,710 Yeah, that old Windows program. 939 00:32:40,830 --> 00:32:41,070 Yeah. 940 00:32:41,930 --> 00:32:43,930 Which had a lot of limitations. 941 00:32:44,190 --> 00:32:45,090 It was one guy. 942 00:32:45,310 --> 00:32:45,970 He's doing it. 943 00:32:46,030 --> 00:32:47,890 You know, it's not open source. 944 00:32:48,530 --> 00:32:50,950 He sells it license, which is fine. 945 00:32:52,110 --> 00:32:54,730 And I paid for two licenses, maybe three. 946 00:32:54,790 --> 00:32:55,270 I'm not sure. 947 00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:59,030 But, you know, I I had different ideas 948 00:32:59,030 --> 00:33:00,790 about what I wanted it to do. 949 00:33:01,290 --> 00:33:03,190 And I've just it just built it. 950 00:33:03,270 --> 00:33:06,490 I just this is the you know, it's 951 00:33:06,490 --> 00:33:08,010 not I'm not going to sell this, you 952 00:33:08,010 --> 00:33:10,810 know, go ahead, fix it, go download it, 953 00:33:10,850 --> 00:33:11,330 use it. 954 00:33:11,630 --> 00:33:13,630 Give me some ideas, put stuff back into 955 00:33:13,630 --> 00:33:14,130 the repo. 956 00:33:15,070 --> 00:33:16,210 I'm over that. 957 00:33:16,330 --> 00:33:18,410 You know, I don't I don't see the 958 00:33:18,410 --> 00:33:21,190 business opportunity in vibe coding at all. 959 00:33:21,510 --> 00:33:24,550 I do see I do see the improvement 960 00:33:24,550 --> 00:33:26,930 to the quality of life improvements and the 961 00:33:26,930 --> 00:33:29,690 stuff that I can do that were in 962 00:33:29,690 --> 00:33:30,190 my head. 963 00:33:30,290 --> 00:33:33,310 So there's your imagination thing that I just 964 00:33:33,310 --> 00:33:34,890 wanted to make my life better. 965 00:33:35,070 --> 00:33:37,630 And, you know, you can do amazing things. 966 00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:42,670 But I think the I think the commercial 967 00:33:42,670 --> 00:33:46,550 software industry as a whole, whether it's Windows 968 00:33:46,550 --> 00:33:48,710 or line of business applications, and I can 969 00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:49,970 think that it's going to be a struggle 970 00:33:49,970 --> 00:33:51,230 going forward. 971 00:33:51,230 --> 00:33:53,410 Things have fundamentally changed. 972 00:33:54,290 --> 00:33:56,570 And, you know, I can see it just 973 00:33:56,570 --> 00:33:57,810 in the industry I work in. 974 00:33:58,550 --> 00:34:01,350 But you see it everywhere that you have 975 00:34:01,350 --> 00:34:04,650 old companies that are just they've become bloated 976 00:34:05,310 --> 00:34:05,970 and huge. 977 00:34:06,050 --> 00:34:07,230 They don't know they don't know how to 978 00:34:07,230 --> 00:34:09,949 compete anymore because they have in their line 979 00:34:09,949 --> 00:34:11,710 of business, they have an 80 percent market 980 00:34:11,710 --> 00:34:14,090 share and they have for 25 years. 981 00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:16,650 And it was just like that whole. 982 00:34:17,590 --> 00:34:19,150 I mean, and I feel the same way 983 00:34:19,150 --> 00:34:21,929 with that's like with switching from Windows to 984 00:34:21,929 --> 00:34:24,130 like Archie sourced. 985 00:34:24,270 --> 00:34:27,350 He got me on he got me on 986 00:34:27,350 --> 00:34:27,530 Nick. 987 00:34:27,590 --> 00:34:29,010 So as he was, he's been talking it 988 00:34:29,010 --> 00:34:29,929 up and that kind of thing got me 989 00:34:29,929 --> 00:34:30,670 interested on it. 990 00:34:31,290 --> 00:34:34,409 And then Alex was saying, you know, yeah, 991 00:34:34,449 --> 00:34:35,610 he's like, I don't use Nick's, but I 992 00:34:35,610 --> 00:34:37,790 use Flux, which is basically like Nick's applied 993 00:34:37,790 --> 00:34:38,870 to another distro. 994 00:34:38,870 --> 00:34:41,469 And so I got a little braver about 995 00:34:41,469 --> 00:34:43,110 going into it and using it. 996 00:34:43,429 --> 00:34:45,889 And I just feel like. 997 00:34:47,310 --> 00:34:51,949 That the commercial software, you have no options 998 00:34:51,949 --> 00:34:55,330 that your software is going to look like 999 00:34:55,330 --> 00:34:58,430 this, and that's all you get that. 1000 00:34:59,290 --> 00:35:04,150 It like rapidly now that feels antiquated, it 1001 00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:06,550 just felt like the whole idea once you've 1002 00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:08,130 vibe coded for a while. 1003 00:35:08,130 --> 00:35:08,590 Yeah. 1004 00:35:08,690 --> 00:35:11,510 When you the idea that you can't that 1005 00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:13,550 there's this piece thing on your screen and 1006 00:35:13,550 --> 00:35:18,150 you can't change it is it feels like 1007 00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:19,110 shackles. 1008 00:35:19,370 --> 00:35:21,890 You know, you're like, wait, wait, this feels 1009 00:35:21,890 --> 00:35:23,050 like the past, you know? 1010 00:35:23,810 --> 00:35:27,110 And so like that's where I'm at with 1011 00:35:27,110 --> 00:35:28,210 with Windows. 1012 00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:32,710 I've been having this problem for months now 1013 00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:38,430 where when I'll come in suddenly as a 1014 00:35:38,430 --> 00:35:40,210 thing, certain things will just stop working. 1015 00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:45,070 I'll notice that my box upstairs where my 1016 00:35:45,070 --> 00:35:47,230 home office is, I noticed that it just 1017 00:35:47,230 --> 00:35:48,790 there's things. 1018 00:35:49,530 --> 00:35:51,190 I just know something's wrong. 1019 00:35:51,710 --> 00:35:54,170 So and then things will start running really, 1020 00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:54,990 really slow. 1021 00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:58,510 And then Chrome will start crashing and then 1022 00:35:58,510 --> 00:36:00,990 Brave starts getting wiggy and telling me it's 1023 00:36:00,990 --> 00:36:01,750 out of memory. 1024 00:36:02,090 --> 00:36:03,830 Then I go over to the task manager 1025 00:36:03,830 --> 00:36:05,630 and I look and it's like, oh, you 1026 00:36:05,630 --> 00:36:07,270 have 32 gigs of memory. 1027 00:36:07,470 --> 00:36:09,430 And but but there's only but there's only 1028 00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:10,910 14 gigs used. 1029 00:36:11,250 --> 00:36:13,850 I'm like, OK, well, we'll have 18 left. 1030 00:36:13,930 --> 00:36:14,410 Why are you? 1031 00:36:14,670 --> 00:36:17,790 And then Brave says can't load out of 1032 00:36:17,790 --> 00:36:18,130 memory. 1033 00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:21,350 But I'm like, I've got 18 gigs free 1034 00:36:21,890 --> 00:36:22,650 in Windows. 1035 00:36:22,910 --> 00:36:23,670 It's Windows. 1036 00:36:23,810 --> 00:36:27,030 And then and then Windows will force installs 1037 00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:28,910 Windows updates no matter what you do. 1038 00:36:29,050 --> 00:36:29,150 Yep. 1039 00:36:29,170 --> 00:36:29,450 Yep. 1040 00:36:29,470 --> 00:36:31,130 No matter how hard you try not to. 1041 00:36:31,410 --> 00:36:33,090 And it's going to reboot you at the 1042 00:36:33,090 --> 00:36:34,370 worst possible time. 1043 00:36:34,830 --> 00:36:36,250 And I'm just so tired of it. 1044 00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:37,350 I'm just done. 1045 00:36:37,630 --> 00:36:39,150 Usually right before show. 1046 00:36:39,530 --> 00:36:40,750 That's when that's when. 1047 00:36:40,810 --> 00:36:41,290 Oh, yeah. 1048 00:36:41,330 --> 00:36:42,910 Or when you're out of the house and 1049 00:36:42,910 --> 00:36:44,990 you need to remote back in to do 1050 00:36:44,990 --> 00:36:45,290 something. 1051 00:36:45,530 --> 00:36:47,390 It's always that way. 1052 00:36:47,490 --> 00:36:47,770 Yeah. 1053 00:36:48,330 --> 00:36:49,650 I know. 1054 00:36:49,830 --> 00:36:50,250 I know. 1055 00:36:50,430 --> 00:36:51,110 It's horrible. 1056 00:36:51,790 --> 00:36:57,370 I had a a podcasting conversation with a 1057 00:36:57,370 --> 00:36:58,990 friend of mine, Alex Sanfilippo. 1058 00:36:59,130 --> 00:36:59,770 Do you know who he is? 1059 00:36:59,870 --> 00:37:00,710 Have you ever heard of him? 1060 00:37:01,690 --> 00:37:02,370 I've heard of him. 1061 00:37:02,430 --> 00:37:02,610 Yes. 1062 00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:02,830 Yeah. 1063 00:37:02,910 --> 00:37:04,970 So he has a company called. 1064 00:37:05,090 --> 00:37:05,910 I don't think I've ever talked to him. 1065 00:37:06,130 --> 00:37:06,350 Yeah. 1066 00:37:06,350 --> 00:37:08,410 I met him at the Spark Media Conference 1067 00:37:08,410 --> 00:37:09,670 a couple of years back when I did 1068 00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:13,790 the keynote in Houston, I think. 1069 00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:16,310 And he has a company called Podmatch. 1070 00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:17,730 And I think it's it's been he's had 1071 00:37:17,730 --> 00:37:19,030 it for quite a while. 1072 00:37:19,130 --> 00:37:19,750 It was successful. 1073 00:37:19,890 --> 00:37:20,790 He and his wife run it. 1074 00:37:21,530 --> 00:37:26,050 And he connects guests to podcasters. 1075 00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:30,990 And that's, you know, that's a pretty smart 1076 00:37:30,990 --> 00:37:31,570 business. 1077 00:37:32,570 --> 00:37:34,610 And he and he I think he turns 1078 00:37:34,610 --> 00:37:35,410 over. 1079 00:37:36,170 --> 00:37:39,750 Like 77 percent goes to the podcaster, so 1080 00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:41,830 he keeps a small dig for himself. 1081 00:37:43,790 --> 00:37:46,490 And he says, Adam, I have a I 1082 00:37:46,490 --> 00:37:47,210 have a problem. 1083 00:37:47,310 --> 00:37:49,090 I see a problem in podcasting. 1084 00:37:49,690 --> 00:37:52,410 And I was thinking about doing a town 1085 00:37:52,410 --> 00:37:52,810 hall. 1086 00:37:53,070 --> 00:37:54,730 And I guess, you know, all these guys 1087 00:37:54,730 --> 00:37:55,410 that are on LinkedIn. 1088 00:37:55,630 --> 00:37:56,630 So I put something on LinkedIn. 1089 00:37:56,750 --> 00:37:59,210 He says, I got 500 people RSVP and 1090 00:37:59,210 --> 00:38:01,370 say, yes, we would love to be a 1091 00:38:01,370 --> 00:38:03,690 town hall to talk about this, this problem, 1092 00:38:03,950 --> 00:38:05,770 including hosting companies. 1093 00:38:05,930 --> 00:38:08,050 He says, but I want to ask you 1094 00:38:08,050 --> 00:38:08,830 for some advice. 1095 00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:11,050 OK, so we talked the other day. 1096 00:38:11,370 --> 00:38:13,930 He says the biggest problem. 1097 00:38:14,090 --> 00:38:15,710 And, you know, this is not the kind 1098 00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:17,950 of podcasting I do because a lot of 1099 00:38:17,950 --> 00:38:21,170 podcasts have guests, you know, tons of podcasts. 1100 00:38:21,350 --> 00:38:23,050 Everyone's got everyone wants to be Joe Rogan. 1101 00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:27,330 And every single agent, manager, promoter, PR person 1102 00:38:27,330 --> 00:38:29,410 in the entire world wants to get their 1103 00:38:29,410 --> 00:38:31,150 clients onto podcasts. 1104 00:38:31,950 --> 00:38:36,030 And it's a pretty cost efficient way because 1105 00:38:36,030 --> 00:38:39,630 you just scrape feeds if you still can 1106 00:38:39,630 --> 00:38:42,630 for the email addresses or you buy one 1107 00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:44,450 of the many lists of the feeds that 1108 00:38:44,450 --> 00:38:46,010 have been scraped throughout the ages. 1109 00:38:46,590 --> 00:38:49,010 Or you I'm sure you can just buy 1110 00:38:49,010 --> 00:38:51,810 a list of people who have podcast podcaster 1111 00:38:51,810 --> 00:38:54,070 in their profile on LinkedIn. 1112 00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:55,430 I'm sure you can buy that. 1113 00:38:55,970 --> 00:39:00,630 And so he says this the the spam 1114 00:39:00,630 --> 00:39:03,890 or the the maybe even call it spam, 1115 00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:07,590 but the requests, it's overwhelming and they're all 1116 00:39:07,590 --> 00:39:08,290 full of crap. 1117 00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:10,250 You know, I've seen I've read them on 1118 00:39:10,250 --> 00:39:12,590 the show like, oh, I love the last 1119 00:39:12,590 --> 00:39:14,870 episode of No Agenda where you and John 1120 00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:15,810 were talking about this. 1121 00:39:15,930 --> 00:39:17,710 I think this person would be great to 1122 00:39:17,710 --> 00:39:18,450 have as a guest. 1123 00:39:18,830 --> 00:39:21,690 So now they're using AI, look at transcripts 1124 00:39:21,690 --> 00:39:23,610 and try and personalize the pitch. 1125 00:39:24,530 --> 00:39:27,350 He says, he says, can we fix this 1126 00:39:27,350 --> 00:39:30,390 problem somehow at an industry level? 1127 00:39:31,570 --> 00:39:33,810 And as we're talking through it, I said, 1128 00:39:33,890 --> 00:39:37,810 well, you know, obviously we the industry kind 1129 00:39:37,810 --> 00:39:40,250 of I feel jumped the gun a bit 1130 00:39:40,250 --> 00:39:44,670 where Buzzsprout and I think RSS.com and 1131 00:39:44,670 --> 00:39:47,050 others were just taking that email address out. 1132 00:39:47,310 --> 00:39:48,310 But that was for other reasons. 1133 00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:50,830 That was because you had competing hosting companies 1134 00:39:50,830 --> 00:39:54,330 trying to steal customers, which was pretty lame. 1135 00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:54,870 Who was that? 1136 00:39:54,990 --> 00:39:56,210 Was it Libsyn that was doing that? 1137 00:39:56,910 --> 00:39:57,310 Acast. 1138 00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:57,830 Acast. 1139 00:39:57,950 --> 00:39:58,170 I'm sorry. 1140 00:39:58,170 --> 00:39:58,810 Sorry, Libsyn. 1141 00:40:00,090 --> 00:40:01,990 Just my default Libsyn bad. 1142 00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:02,410 I'm sorry. 1143 00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:03,630 They don't listen anyway. 1144 00:40:04,090 --> 00:40:04,490 Sure. 1145 00:40:04,670 --> 00:40:05,930 They got no one left to listen. 1146 00:40:09,690 --> 00:40:11,930 And and I said, you know, and that 1147 00:40:11,930 --> 00:40:14,570 that actually created some problems because we weren't 1148 00:40:14,570 --> 00:40:18,430 quite ready for, you know, verification for different 1149 00:40:18,430 --> 00:40:19,090 services. 1150 00:40:19,410 --> 00:40:21,130 And as I'm talking through it with him, 1151 00:40:21,150 --> 00:40:23,130 I said, well, what if there was like 1152 00:40:23,130 --> 00:40:24,130 a booking tag? 1153 00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:27,130 Like so and this doesn't have to surface 1154 00:40:27,130 --> 00:40:30,270 in the podcast apps, but it could be 1155 00:40:30,270 --> 00:40:32,970 something in the feed where if you want 1156 00:40:32,970 --> 00:40:37,190 to inquire about a booking, then this is 1157 00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:39,990 the URL, URI, whatever you want it to 1158 00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:41,950 be that you contact. 1159 00:40:42,990 --> 00:40:45,290 And because his whole problem is I don't 1160 00:40:45,290 --> 00:40:46,450 want to be the solution. 1161 00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:47,590 He said, that feels icky. 1162 00:40:47,710 --> 00:40:49,730 He said, no, this isn't a complete open 1163 00:40:49,730 --> 00:40:50,210 solution. 1164 00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:52,870 We have a booking tag and, you know, 1165 00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:57,310 you can your your affiliated podcasters can put 1166 00:40:57,310 --> 00:41:00,330 their link to their pod match page, but 1167 00:41:00,330 --> 00:41:02,810 it could be to a Calendly or, you 1168 00:41:02,810 --> 00:41:05,390 know, a link to my agent or, you 1169 00:41:05,390 --> 00:41:06,930 know, my manager of the podcast. 1170 00:41:08,030 --> 00:41:09,990 And so I wanted to throw that out 1171 00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:10,190 there. 1172 00:41:10,670 --> 00:41:12,670 I actually I invited him to be on 1173 00:41:12,670 --> 00:41:14,070 the podcast index that social. 1174 00:41:14,910 --> 00:41:16,730 I don't think he's ever seen a GitHub. 1175 00:41:16,930 --> 00:41:18,950 He may not know how to he may. 1176 00:41:19,090 --> 00:41:19,430 I don't know. 1177 00:41:19,530 --> 00:41:19,950 He may not know. 1178 00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:21,870 You know, I said there's a there's a 1179 00:41:21,870 --> 00:41:25,470 process and you write up a proposal and 1180 00:41:26,930 --> 00:41:28,950 and then, you know, if someone implements it, 1181 00:41:28,990 --> 00:41:31,330 then somehow it just kind of gets adopted 1182 00:41:31,330 --> 00:41:32,730 because people are using it. 1183 00:41:33,150 --> 00:41:34,910 And I thought that this might be something 1184 00:41:34,910 --> 00:41:36,610 hosting companies could use. 1185 00:41:37,310 --> 00:41:37,750 Hmm. 1186 00:41:38,530 --> 00:41:40,530 I like this idea a lot. 1187 00:41:40,730 --> 00:41:42,770 Yeah, I thought it was kind of decent. 1188 00:41:42,910 --> 00:41:45,590 So maybe someone out there can look for 1189 00:41:45,590 --> 00:41:47,950 him and and help him or if someone 1190 00:41:47,950 --> 00:41:50,730 feels like writing up this tag, I thought 1191 00:41:50,730 --> 00:41:52,910 it would be good because it's not again, 1192 00:41:52,930 --> 00:41:56,570 it's not something that has to surface, but 1193 00:41:56,570 --> 00:41:58,430 it but it's something that goes. 1194 00:41:58,530 --> 00:42:00,670 Go ahead, scrape those feeds, get that out 1195 00:42:00,670 --> 00:42:01,970 of there, get the booking tag. 1196 00:42:02,570 --> 00:42:03,530 That's the one you want. 1197 00:42:04,190 --> 00:42:04,610 I do. 1198 00:42:04,610 --> 00:42:06,350 Wait, I think I have met Alex. 1199 00:42:06,410 --> 00:42:07,790 I think I met him at podcast movement. 1200 00:42:08,010 --> 00:42:09,430 I recognize his possible. 1201 00:42:09,710 --> 00:42:10,210 Yeah, possible. 1202 00:42:10,290 --> 00:42:11,950 Oh, he has a very recognizable face. 1203 00:42:12,050 --> 00:42:12,170 Yeah. 1204 00:42:12,290 --> 00:42:12,630 Yeah. 1205 00:42:12,670 --> 00:42:13,770 I think I did meet him. 1206 00:42:13,810 --> 00:42:13,970 Yeah. 1207 00:42:14,010 --> 00:42:14,810 And I know I did. 1208 00:42:14,890 --> 00:42:15,650 In fact, yeah, we talked. 1209 00:42:15,710 --> 00:42:16,950 Yeah, I talked to him. 1210 00:42:18,430 --> 00:42:20,630 He he followed me on podcast and social 1211 00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:21,190 this morning. 1212 00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:25,550 So I'll message him and tell him, you 1213 00:42:25,550 --> 00:42:27,830 know, to that we're going to like try 1214 00:42:27,830 --> 00:42:29,110 to come up with some kind of proposal 1215 00:42:29,110 --> 00:42:29,550 or something. 1216 00:42:30,270 --> 00:42:32,030 Cool, because I think that's a great idea 1217 00:42:32,030 --> 00:42:33,910 because it's a it's a signal to the 1218 00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:36,270 world that, you know, hey, I'm open to 1219 00:42:36,270 --> 00:42:37,530 this kind of contact. 1220 00:42:37,890 --> 00:42:38,010 Yeah. 1221 00:42:38,030 --> 00:42:39,110 And send it here. 1222 00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:41,950 You know, serious inquiries only. 1223 00:42:43,210 --> 00:42:43,370 Yeah. 1224 00:42:43,370 --> 00:42:45,410 It could be a link straight to a 1225 00:42:45,410 --> 00:42:46,910 booking page form. 1226 00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:47,670 Yeah. 1227 00:42:48,190 --> 00:42:48,870 I mean, yeah. 1228 00:42:49,110 --> 00:42:49,590 Calendly. 1229 00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:50,910 A lot of people love that. 1230 00:42:50,970 --> 00:42:53,050 You know, just just go there and stop 1231 00:42:53,050 --> 00:42:56,450 trying to trick us with stupid emails. 1232 00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:57,750 Yeah. 1233 00:42:57,930 --> 00:43:00,650 And that that could be the you know, 1234 00:43:00,750 --> 00:43:04,390 a way that you sort of. 1235 00:43:06,030 --> 00:43:08,630 Differentiate between people who are just people that 1236 00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:09,670 is truly spam. 1237 00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:10,090 Yeah. 1238 00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:13,890 And people who scraped the feed, which that 1239 00:43:13,890 --> 00:43:16,690 is going to be a spammy to obviously, 1240 00:43:16,830 --> 00:43:18,350 but it's not the volume is not going 1241 00:43:18,350 --> 00:43:19,610 to be as high as just generally. 1242 00:43:19,810 --> 00:43:21,210 And at least well, at least it goes 1243 00:43:21,210 --> 00:43:22,310 where you want it to go. 1244 00:43:22,570 --> 00:43:25,170 So it won't necessarily be an email address, 1245 00:43:25,170 --> 00:43:27,330 but it you know, so I haven't I'm 1246 00:43:27,330 --> 00:43:28,450 not a Podmatch member. 1247 00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:29,890 I don't know how it works, but I 1248 00:43:29,890 --> 00:43:32,370 understand the concept is like there's a page 1249 00:43:32,370 --> 00:43:35,230 and then Podmatch connects you with the right 1250 00:43:35,230 --> 00:43:36,130 podcasters. 1251 00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:38,490 And so it would go to the Podmatch 1252 00:43:38,490 --> 00:43:41,510 page in his case, and then Podmatch decides 1253 00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:44,630 if it's a match, but it can go 1254 00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:46,470 to anything, anything you want. 1255 00:43:46,590 --> 00:43:48,890 So anyway, that that was my contribution for 1256 00:43:48,890 --> 00:43:49,270 the week. 1257 00:43:49,650 --> 00:43:52,310 And I was also thinking like, that's not 1258 00:43:52,310 --> 00:43:52,950 a bad idea. 1259 00:43:53,290 --> 00:43:55,130 We should probably come up with a booking 1260 00:43:55,130 --> 00:43:55,530 tag. 1261 00:43:56,490 --> 00:43:57,530 Yeah, and I like that. 1262 00:43:57,630 --> 00:43:58,810 Let me actually make a note of that 1263 00:43:58,810 --> 00:43:59,210 real quick. 1264 00:43:59,950 --> 00:44:01,610 That's a yeah, that's a good idea. 1265 00:44:01,790 --> 00:44:02,810 I like that a lot. 1266 00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:05,370 Can we let's talk about transcripts for a 1267 00:44:05,370 --> 00:44:05,590 second. 1268 00:44:05,710 --> 00:44:06,230 Yeah, one sec. 1269 00:44:06,290 --> 00:44:08,150 What is what is Nathan G linking to 1270 00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:08,510 here? 1271 00:44:08,910 --> 00:44:11,450 More control over contact information. 1272 00:44:12,850 --> 00:44:13,330 Podcast. 1273 00:44:13,710 --> 00:44:15,870 Nathan is the link wizard. 1274 00:44:16,030 --> 00:44:16,710 He is fine. 1275 00:44:16,830 --> 00:44:18,910 He just digs into the namespace and finds 1276 00:44:18,910 --> 00:44:21,910 every time we've ever like duplicated some kind 1277 00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:23,070 of effort about something. 1278 00:44:23,330 --> 00:44:25,890 And it's shocking how many times we reinvent 1279 00:44:25,890 --> 00:44:28,030 the same thing that we already invented one 1280 00:44:28,030 --> 00:44:28,650 time before. 1281 00:44:29,010 --> 00:44:30,570 I love I love this. 1282 00:44:30,690 --> 00:44:33,570 I'm looking at proposal podcast contact, more control 1283 00:44:33,570 --> 00:44:34,790 over contact information. 1284 00:44:36,450 --> 00:44:38,670 And the proposed tag could include something like 1285 00:44:38,670 --> 00:44:40,690 contact URL, physical mailing address. 1286 00:44:41,090 --> 00:44:43,630 And then the first comment, James Cridlin. 1287 00:44:44,110 --> 00:44:47,070 What problem is this trying to solve, please? 1288 00:44:48,690 --> 00:44:51,870 The Cridler, the Cridler at work once again. 1289 00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:54,390 The Cridler comes in. 1290 00:44:54,770 --> 00:44:55,110 All right. 1291 00:44:55,390 --> 00:44:57,610 The Cridler. 1292 00:44:58,710 --> 00:45:01,590 So there's there's the problem it's trying to 1293 00:45:01,590 --> 00:45:02,010 solve. 1294 00:45:02,710 --> 00:45:05,350 And oh, my goodness, that was in twenty 1295 00:45:05,350 --> 00:45:06,110 twenty one. 1296 00:45:06,210 --> 00:45:07,950 So it only took us five years to 1297 00:45:07,950 --> 00:45:09,850 figure out the problem it was trying to 1298 00:45:09,850 --> 00:45:10,110 solve. 1299 00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:11,990 So maybe what we did come to us, 1300 00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:13,430 but we did find it. 1301 00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:13,730 Yeah. 1302 00:45:13,870 --> 00:45:16,110 So maybe that's the way maybe it maybe 1303 00:45:16,110 --> 00:45:17,950 we should be called booking instead of maybe 1304 00:45:17,950 --> 00:45:20,310 contact is better than I think about it. 1305 00:45:20,490 --> 00:45:20,590 Yeah. 1306 00:45:20,770 --> 00:45:21,390 Contacts a little. 1307 00:45:21,610 --> 00:45:24,270 It's a little too generic, but generally booking 1308 00:45:24,270 --> 00:45:25,050 is clear. 1309 00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:29,030 You know, booking boom URL, email address, phone 1310 00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:34,290 number, P.O. box, ham, ham, ham, call 1311 00:45:34,290 --> 00:45:37,350 sign, whatever you can come up with. 1312 00:45:38,010 --> 00:45:38,710 All right. 1313 00:45:38,910 --> 00:45:39,170 Good. 1314 00:45:39,390 --> 00:45:41,850 Casey for an kilo five alpha. 1315 00:45:42,130 --> 00:45:42,610 Charlie, Charlie. 1316 00:45:42,850 --> 00:45:44,110 Seventy three is good, bud. 1317 00:45:46,230 --> 00:45:49,530 Oh, by the way, CSB said to ask 1318 00:45:49,530 --> 00:45:51,230 you to finally give him an interview about 1319 00:45:51,230 --> 00:45:53,310 his new A.I. lover, OpenCodeZen. 1320 00:45:54,170 --> 00:45:55,230 Yes, I will. 1321 00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:55,870 I will. 1322 00:45:56,330 --> 00:45:56,810 CSB. 1323 00:45:57,630 --> 00:46:00,030 I committed to it, but it's just always 1324 00:46:00,030 --> 00:46:02,530 difficult for me to get my crap together 1325 00:46:02,530 --> 00:46:03,270 and timing. 1326 00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:04,490 But I'm working on it. 1327 00:46:04,530 --> 00:46:07,910 I'm working on so overcast, added transcripts. 1328 00:46:08,650 --> 00:46:09,170 Yes. 1329 00:46:09,490 --> 00:46:10,070 In the beta. 1330 00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:10,890 Yes. 1331 00:46:11,010 --> 00:46:13,450 And so he's running them himself, right? 1332 00:46:14,810 --> 00:46:15,110 Yeah. 1333 00:46:15,130 --> 00:46:18,350 So the latest episode of Accidental Tech, I 1334 00:46:18,350 --> 00:46:20,430 haven't really been listening to that very much 1335 00:46:20,430 --> 00:46:23,190 over the last few months, but I just 1336 00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:25,950 dip in and out whenever there's something that 1337 00:46:25,950 --> 00:46:28,190 strikes me, that strikes me and I feel 1338 00:46:28,190 --> 00:46:29,070 like I need to listen to. 1339 00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:32,710 But so I listened to the episode where 1340 00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:34,650 he talks about this, the most recent one. 1341 00:46:35,630 --> 00:46:36,190 And. 1342 00:46:37,050 --> 00:46:39,050 The way he's doing it is with. 1343 00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:43,050 A rack in a data center full of 1344 00:46:43,050 --> 00:46:44,910 48 Mac minis. 1345 00:46:45,370 --> 00:46:45,570 Wow. 1346 00:46:46,690 --> 00:46:50,750 All running OpenCode, I mean, no club, club, 1347 00:46:50,830 --> 00:46:51,630 club, club. 1348 00:46:52,290 --> 00:46:52,530 Yeah. 1349 00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:54,010 Nemo claw, whatever. 1350 00:46:55,050 --> 00:46:57,630 So these are all these are it's 48 1351 00:46:57,630 --> 00:47:00,670 Mac minis in a rack enclosure in a 1352 00:47:00,670 --> 00:47:01,370 data center. 1353 00:47:03,050 --> 00:47:06,970 All accepting jobs from a transcription jobs from 1354 00:47:06,970 --> 00:47:09,470 a queue and using the built in. 1355 00:47:10,570 --> 00:47:15,850 Native models within Mac OS Tahoe to do 1356 00:47:15,850 --> 00:47:18,250 the transcription seems like an expensive way to 1357 00:47:18,250 --> 00:47:18,630 do it. 1358 00:47:19,570 --> 00:47:22,550 That's twenty four thousand dollars worth of Mac 1359 00:47:22,550 --> 00:47:23,010 minis. 1360 00:47:25,390 --> 00:47:27,150 Yeah, that's a lot of money. 1361 00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:28,670 He's a Mac guy, though. 1362 00:47:28,750 --> 00:47:30,390 He loves the Mac stuff. 1363 00:47:31,450 --> 00:47:35,170 Yeah, I think I mean, the the the 1364 00:47:35,170 --> 00:47:36,950 reasoning that it's worth listening to. 1365 00:47:37,110 --> 00:47:38,990 It's about a hour long discussion about it. 1366 00:47:39,090 --> 00:47:39,830 The reasoning. 1367 00:47:41,110 --> 00:47:43,610 Makes sense on a lot of levels from 1368 00:47:44,210 --> 00:47:47,170 the idea of the code being if it's 1369 00:47:47,170 --> 00:47:49,950 Mac, if it's a Mac native on transcription, 1370 00:47:50,770 --> 00:47:52,550 the APIs are the same on the Mac 1371 00:47:52,550 --> 00:47:53,530 as they are on the iPhone. 1372 00:47:53,690 --> 00:47:55,730 So you can you can just write that 1373 00:47:55,730 --> 00:47:57,610 code once and then you can transcribe on 1374 00:47:57,610 --> 00:47:59,450 the phone and on the Mac both. 1375 00:48:00,750 --> 00:48:03,290 So it's and it's the same code, essentially. 1376 00:48:03,610 --> 00:48:05,150 How many how many transcripts do you think 1377 00:48:05,150 --> 00:48:05,630 he can do? 1378 00:48:05,710 --> 00:48:07,050 I mean, I was running. 1379 00:48:07,490 --> 00:48:08,690 Of course, all of them. 1380 00:48:08,990 --> 00:48:09,810 Oh, my goodness. 1381 00:48:09,870 --> 00:48:11,590 All literally all of them. 1382 00:48:11,590 --> 00:48:16,590 I'm running I'm running my my watcher, my 1383 00:48:16,590 --> 00:48:19,610 pod ping slurper. 1384 00:48:19,930 --> 00:48:20,290 What's it called? 1385 00:48:21,230 --> 00:48:23,230 Oh, the gossip blizzard. 1386 00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:23,690 Yeah. 1387 00:48:23,790 --> 00:48:25,930 So I have code a little bit. 1388 00:48:26,650 --> 00:48:30,290 So there are about average is about twenty 1389 00:48:30,290 --> 00:48:32,910 five hundred new episodes an hour. 1390 00:48:33,410 --> 00:48:36,170 So that's that's the level that he's going 1391 00:48:36,170 --> 00:48:37,970 to have to be transcribing. 1392 00:48:39,310 --> 00:48:40,470 Or evidently it's work. 1393 00:48:40,650 --> 00:48:41,470 Evidently, he's doing it. 1394 00:48:41,570 --> 00:48:42,890 That's why he's got forty eight of them. 1395 00:48:43,310 --> 00:48:43,530 Yeah. 1396 00:48:44,170 --> 00:48:48,310 I mean, running whisper locally is you can 1397 00:48:48,310 --> 00:48:49,550 do quite a bit with that. 1398 00:48:49,690 --> 00:48:50,490 It's low overhead. 1399 00:48:50,610 --> 00:48:52,310 And, you know, you could burst them. 1400 00:48:52,430 --> 00:48:53,770 There's all kinds of stuff you could do 1401 00:48:53,770 --> 00:48:54,590 different from running. 1402 00:48:54,750 --> 00:48:55,550 Listen to me. 1403 00:48:57,370 --> 00:48:58,330 Who am I? 1404 00:48:59,590 --> 00:49:03,690 That I just I don't this. 1405 00:49:03,850 --> 00:49:05,450 There's a lot of stuff going on here 1406 00:49:05,450 --> 00:49:09,590 that I think bears discussion. 1407 00:49:10,190 --> 00:49:10,290 So. 1408 00:49:14,530 --> 00:49:17,990 One thing is how many podcast episodes. 1409 00:49:19,010 --> 00:49:21,610 I already have transcripts that could be delivered. 1410 00:49:21,970 --> 00:49:23,670 Well, wait a minute, he's not picking up 1411 00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:25,570 transcripts that already in the feed. 1412 00:49:27,310 --> 00:49:30,890 What what my understanding is, is that that 1413 00:49:30,890 --> 00:49:34,870 is already working, it's just not in the 1414 00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:35,510 code yet. 1415 00:49:35,810 --> 00:49:37,350 So he's going to do that. 1416 00:49:37,470 --> 00:49:38,030 He has to. 1417 00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:39,210 You're crazy if you don't. 1418 00:49:40,010 --> 00:49:44,050 Well, to me, you have to, because the 1419 00:49:44,050 --> 00:49:47,470 creator is telling you, you know, you have 1420 00:49:47,470 --> 00:49:48,070 to honor that. 1421 00:49:48,430 --> 00:49:49,450 Yes, definitely. 1422 00:49:50,410 --> 00:49:51,990 But, you know, he's he's he's of the 1423 00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:52,590 Apple school. 1424 00:49:52,690 --> 00:49:54,470 The Apple school is I want the best 1425 00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:57,130 experience for my customer, even if it means 1426 00:49:57,130 --> 00:49:58,510 I have to create it for them. 1427 00:49:59,530 --> 00:49:59,670 Right. 1428 00:49:59,850 --> 00:50:01,450 Yeah, I think you're right about that. 1429 00:50:01,590 --> 00:50:02,750 Yeah, that's definitely the mindset. 1430 00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:04,030 And. 1431 00:50:04,810 --> 00:50:07,190 How so as I was like, well, how 1432 00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:11,030 many episodes, how many podcast episodes have transcripts? 1433 00:50:11,570 --> 00:50:13,110 And what kinds? 1434 00:50:13,710 --> 00:50:16,330 I started digging into the transcripts table in 1435 00:50:16,330 --> 00:50:17,010 the index. 1436 00:50:17,210 --> 00:50:17,650 Yes. 1437 00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:24,170 And there's about total total records of transcripts 1438 00:50:24,170 --> 00:50:26,590 in that table is about seven and a 1439 00:50:26,590 --> 00:50:27,150 half million. 1440 00:50:28,110 --> 00:50:30,570 Well, maybe a little bit, actually, maybe a 1441 00:50:30,570 --> 00:50:31,370 little bit more than that. 1442 00:50:31,370 --> 00:50:34,230 I don't remember the exact number, but there's 1443 00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:35,370 a lot of overlap. 1444 00:50:35,730 --> 00:50:39,950 So there's you've got potentially text. 1445 00:50:41,050 --> 00:50:43,510 HTML, Jason. 1446 00:50:45,610 --> 00:50:49,790 SRT and VTT, so you get potentially five 1447 00:50:49,790 --> 00:50:53,170 different transcript formats, which is a whole nother 1448 00:50:53,170 --> 00:50:54,950 discussion that is being had right now in 1449 00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:57,330 the namespaces, do we deprecate some of these? 1450 00:50:58,730 --> 00:51:01,410 Deprecating, deprecating in the sense that you can't 1451 00:51:01,410 --> 00:51:02,750 make people not do it. 1452 00:51:03,450 --> 00:51:04,990 People can stick whatever they want to in 1453 00:51:04,990 --> 00:51:05,650 any tag. 1454 00:51:06,030 --> 00:51:09,030 But just from a recommendation standpoint. 1455 00:51:10,770 --> 00:51:13,190 Do we want to encourage there to be, 1456 00:51:13,770 --> 00:51:15,970 you know, a couple of formats instead of 1457 00:51:15,970 --> 00:51:20,610 five, potentially, because that because what what's happening 1458 00:51:20,610 --> 00:51:21,070 now. 1459 00:51:22,650 --> 00:51:27,630 Is if there's so bus bus Sprout does 1460 00:51:27,630 --> 00:51:29,430 this, I'm not sure if anybody else does 1461 00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:31,130 it, but I know bus Sprout does it 1462 00:51:31,130 --> 00:51:33,930 when bus Sprout publishes an episode and does 1463 00:51:33,930 --> 00:51:37,750 transcripts, they publish it in three formats every 1464 00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:38,570 single time. 1465 00:51:38,890 --> 00:51:42,210 So they put three different formats of transcript 1466 00:51:42,210 --> 00:51:42,930 in every. 1467 00:51:42,930 --> 00:51:46,510 That seems like a waste text. 1468 00:51:46,770 --> 00:51:49,890 I think it's text, Jason and SRT. 1469 00:51:50,010 --> 00:51:51,090 I think those are the three. 1470 00:51:51,190 --> 00:51:52,070 Maybe I'm wrong. 1471 00:51:52,170 --> 00:51:52,850 Maybe VTT. 1472 00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:56,550 But regardless, there's three of them in there 1473 00:51:56,550 --> 00:51:57,430 in every episode. 1474 00:52:00,610 --> 00:52:02,670 So I think it makes a lot of 1475 00:52:02,670 --> 00:52:07,610 sense to drop the recommendations down to whatever. 1476 00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,760 To to whatever we think is the most 1477 00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,240 widely supported as the recommended one and drop 1478 00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:20,580 the other ones out of the documentation. 1479 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,220 And then just come what may, you know. 1480 00:52:25,620 --> 00:52:26,880 Yeah, Nathan, you're right. 1481 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:27,980 VTT can do it all. 1482 00:52:28,140 --> 00:52:32,000 I mean, I've been using VTT, but I 1483 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,340 heard the Cridler talking about that and he 1484 00:52:34,340 --> 00:52:36,880 was like, no, no, we can't do you 1485 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:38,180 should just use this. 1486 00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,520 I thought, no, he's a big proponent of 1487 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:41,820 VTT. 1488 00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:43,980 No, no, he was against VTT. 1489 00:52:47,780 --> 00:52:50,720 So I think like I think that makes 1490 00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:52,780 a lot of sense to just. 1491 00:52:53,900 --> 00:52:55,680 Where was it that he was saying that 1492 00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,260 was that on the on power? 1493 00:52:58,100 --> 00:52:59,280 Maybe last week. 1494 00:52:59,380 --> 00:53:00,680 I think it was last week on power. 1495 00:53:00,780 --> 00:53:01,380 Yeah, I think so. 1496 00:53:02,500 --> 00:53:03,400 I don't know. 1497 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,420 But the discussion's going on on the namespace 1498 00:53:07,420 --> 00:53:07,760 right now. 1499 00:53:09,180 --> 00:53:10,900 It'll be we'll we'll be able to figure 1500 00:53:10,900 --> 00:53:11,160 it out. 1501 00:53:13,220 --> 00:53:17,020 The other the other thing, like my thought 1502 00:53:17,020 --> 00:53:23,040 about spending twenty five thousand dollars on transcription 1503 00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:24,780 computers. 1504 00:53:26,060 --> 00:53:28,600 I mean, that's just from a from an 1505 00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:29,000 app. 1506 00:53:29,540 --> 00:53:31,700 I thought, you know, we obviously talk to 1507 00:53:31,700 --> 00:53:33,280 a lot of app developers on a regular 1508 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,600 basis, podcast app developers. 1509 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,660 And I don't know a single one that 1510 00:53:39,660 --> 00:53:41,760 could even afford to spend a thousand dollars 1511 00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,760 on a on a server, much less twenty 1512 00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:45,800 four thousand dollars. 1513 00:53:45,940 --> 00:53:48,320 So overcast as far as revenue goes. 1514 00:53:49,700 --> 00:53:52,700 If I mean, he's obviously independently wealthy as 1515 00:53:52,700 --> 00:53:52,960 well. 1516 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,540 But it's from a revenue, just from an 1517 00:53:55,540 --> 00:53:59,740 app revenue standpoint, overcast is a serious outlier 1518 00:54:00,900 --> 00:54:02,000 in this whole. 1519 00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,280 Podcast app ecosystem. 1520 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,940 And that that's fantastic for him, but that's 1521 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,840 that's a lot of money that most app 1522 00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,860 developers wouldn't couldn't only even dream of. 1523 00:54:18,300 --> 00:54:21,160 So I don't think that the way he 1524 00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:22,560 did it is going to be something that 1525 00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,340 almost anybody else can replicate. 1526 00:54:25,420 --> 00:54:25,980 Yeah. 1527 00:54:26,260 --> 00:54:28,560 And but is that a bad thing? 1528 00:54:29,180 --> 00:54:30,540 No, it's not a bad thing. 1529 00:54:30,620 --> 00:54:32,980 I'm just saying that that is like. 1530 00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:36,900 What I'm saying is. 1531 00:54:37,660 --> 00:54:41,180 If we put if we push this back 1532 00:54:41,180 --> 00:54:43,500 up to the hosts, to the source. 1533 00:54:43,900 --> 00:54:44,100 Yeah. 1534 00:54:44,700 --> 00:54:48,100 To me, that's when it levels the playing 1535 00:54:48,100 --> 00:54:48,460 field. 1536 00:54:49,780 --> 00:54:52,530 So eventually. 1537 00:54:53,770 --> 00:54:56,770 Mobile devices will have enough horsepower to do 1538 00:54:56,770 --> 00:54:57,890 these things on the fly. 1539 00:54:58,810 --> 00:55:02,010 And there won't have to be all this 1540 00:55:02,010 --> 00:55:05,510 background work that's done with with servers to 1541 00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:07,110 do all this kind of transcription and that 1542 00:55:07,110 --> 00:55:07,510 kind of thing. 1543 00:55:08,070 --> 00:55:10,990 Eventually, the horsepower for the neural engines in 1544 00:55:10,990 --> 00:55:13,210 these mobile devices will just it'll just boom. 1545 00:55:13,210 --> 00:55:14,890 I mean, you just got a transcript, you 1546 00:55:14,890 --> 00:55:18,450 know, take probably it'll take 10 seconds as 1547 00:55:18,450 --> 00:55:20,970 the as the audio is loading. 1548 00:55:22,050 --> 00:55:25,650 By the time it finishes downloading and and 1549 00:55:25,650 --> 00:55:28,230 and queues up and you go to tap 1550 00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:31,010 it 20 seconds later, you've already got a 1551 00:55:31,010 --> 00:55:31,370 transcript. 1552 00:55:32,330 --> 00:55:34,510 Eventually, that's where we're going to get in. 1553 00:55:34,570 --> 00:55:36,190 This thing will be a level playing field. 1554 00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:39,010 But until that happens, I feel like. 1555 00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:41,450 I guess the only reason I brought up 1556 00:55:41,450 --> 00:55:43,230 the money aspect of it was just because 1557 00:55:46,270 --> 00:55:47,650 I had. 1558 00:55:48,490 --> 00:55:50,510 I just liked I like. 1559 00:55:51,530 --> 00:55:54,230 The app developers. 1560 00:55:55,470 --> 00:55:58,350 I see the podcast developers that that we 1561 00:55:58,350 --> 00:56:00,930 work with on a regular basis and. 1562 00:56:02,370 --> 00:56:05,010 They spend so many hours working on their 1563 00:56:05,010 --> 00:56:05,430 apps. 1564 00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:10,890 And I just feel bad that they don't 1565 00:56:10,890 --> 00:56:13,410 get the revenue for it. 1566 00:56:13,530 --> 00:56:16,350 This other apps like Overcast and Pocketcast and 1567 00:56:16,350 --> 00:56:16,830 stuff do. 1568 00:56:16,970 --> 00:56:17,230 I just. 1569 00:56:18,110 --> 00:56:18,850 I don't know. 1570 00:56:18,970 --> 00:56:21,570 It just makes me feel bad about that. 1571 00:56:22,050 --> 00:56:25,470 And I just if if there was a 1572 00:56:25,470 --> 00:56:26,710 way to put, you know, if I just 1573 00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:29,690 wish more hosts would go ahead and stick 1574 00:56:29,690 --> 00:56:30,950 the transcript in. 1575 00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:33,630 The RSS feed. 1576 00:56:34,970 --> 00:56:38,790 And it just I'm stumbling around, but I 1577 00:56:38,790 --> 00:56:41,790 think what I'm trying to say is that 1578 00:56:41,790 --> 00:56:46,110 the more we can push these features upstream 1579 00:56:46,110 --> 00:56:49,650 into the feed, the less of this sort 1580 00:56:49,650 --> 00:56:50,910 of thing has to happen. 1581 00:56:52,310 --> 00:56:54,730 Do you see what I'm saying, like the 1582 00:56:54,730 --> 00:56:57,330 less you're going to fall on an independent 1583 00:56:57,330 --> 00:56:59,470 on a single app developer to have to 1584 00:56:59,470 --> 00:57:02,350 go out and create a humongous infrastructure to 1585 00:57:02,350 --> 00:57:03,150 do one feature. 1586 00:57:03,470 --> 00:57:03,570 Right. 1587 00:57:04,250 --> 00:57:06,670 Because the because the data that they need 1588 00:57:06,670 --> 00:57:08,130 will just be already there. 1589 00:57:10,810 --> 00:57:12,410 And so. 1590 00:57:14,070 --> 00:57:16,290 I think the the other thing I took 1591 00:57:16,290 --> 00:57:19,010 away from their discussion on their podcast was 1592 00:57:19,010 --> 00:57:20,350 that I also think they've. 1593 00:57:21,330 --> 00:57:24,290 Some of them have missed or have underestimated 1594 00:57:25,350 --> 00:57:26,350 how much. 1595 00:57:27,530 --> 00:57:30,510 How much limited context there is in these 1596 00:57:30,510 --> 00:57:33,430 LLMs was one of the suggestions was, well, 1597 00:57:34,090 --> 00:57:36,470 the local models on the Apple devices are 1598 00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:37,450 not that great. 1599 00:57:37,830 --> 00:57:39,050 I mean, they're good. 1600 00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:41,290 I mean, they're as good as Whisper or 1601 00:57:41,290 --> 00:57:43,250 anything else, but they're not perfect. 1602 00:57:43,370 --> 00:57:45,370 I mean, they're going to make mistakes and 1603 00:57:45,370 --> 00:57:46,270 get wording wrong. 1604 00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:48,930 And so what you could do is you 1605 00:57:48,930 --> 00:57:49,550 could take that. 1606 00:57:49,950 --> 00:57:52,790 You could take that like do a secondary, 1607 00:57:53,090 --> 00:57:56,410 a second stage processing, get the tech, get 1608 00:57:56,410 --> 00:57:58,250 the speech to text and then run it 1609 00:57:58,250 --> 00:57:59,550 through an LLM. 1610 00:58:00,290 --> 00:58:02,090 To clean it up, clean it up, yeah. 1611 00:58:03,570 --> 00:58:06,090 So I think I talked to the last 1612 00:58:06,090 --> 00:58:08,130 either last week or the week before I've 1613 00:58:08,130 --> 00:58:11,090 done, I recently did this exact thing. 1614 00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:15,170 For a project at my day job. 1615 00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:21,950 And so this project involved taking a bunch 1616 00:58:21,950 --> 00:58:24,530 of documents, extracting all the text out of 1617 00:58:24,530 --> 00:58:29,270 them with OCR because OCR is very fast, 1618 00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:31,750 just traditional OCR. 1619 00:58:32,110 --> 00:58:34,910 And then and then it's going to be 1620 00:58:34,910 --> 00:58:35,190 a mess. 1621 00:58:35,230 --> 00:58:36,050 It's going to be messy. 1622 00:58:36,230 --> 00:58:38,570 And then you run it through an LLM 1623 00:58:38,570 --> 00:58:41,650 and you prompt the LLM and tell it 1624 00:58:43,090 --> 00:58:46,150 this text that came off that I'm providing 1625 00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:50,210 you came out of an OCR, is the 1626 00:58:50,210 --> 00:58:51,110 result of OCR. 1627 00:58:51,530 --> 00:58:53,790 There's going to be problems. 1628 00:58:54,270 --> 00:58:55,630 Please fix them. 1629 00:58:56,250 --> 00:58:58,330 And then you give it examples of all 1630 00:58:58,330 --> 00:58:58,930 the problems. 1631 00:58:59,050 --> 00:59:00,870 And so you would say, you know, some 1632 00:59:00,870 --> 00:59:04,010 if you see a word that's got a 1633 00:59:04,010 --> 00:59:07,450 zero where an O should be or a 1634 00:59:07,450 --> 00:59:13,050 date that has 2026, the number one, 03, 1635 00:59:14,110 --> 00:59:16,310 the number one and so and so that's 1636 00:59:16,310 --> 00:59:18,130 that's a date where it felt the slashes 1637 00:59:18,130 --> 00:59:19,910 were the number one. 1638 00:59:20,330 --> 00:59:22,930 So you're like describing all the different examples 1639 00:59:22,930 --> 00:59:24,410 of what can go wrong in an OCR 1640 00:59:24,410 --> 00:59:26,490 process and you tell the LLM to clean 1641 00:59:26,490 --> 00:59:26,910 it up. 1642 00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:29,650 And it does a fantastic job. 1643 00:59:29,770 --> 00:59:32,370 I mean, it just it's spits out crystal 1644 00:59:32,370 --> 00:59:36,850 clean second stage processing. 1645 00:59:37,770 --> 00:59:40,590 The problem is it's very slow. 1646 00:59:41,010 --> 00:59:42,670 It's very slow. 1647 00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:43,090 Yeah. 1648 00:59:43,230 --> 00:59:45,990 And also the context window is way smaller 1649 00:59:45,990 --> 00:59:47,090 than you think it is. 1650 00:59:47,130 --> 00:59:47,330 Yeah. 1651 00:59:47,830 --> 00:59:48,990 Even on big models. 1652 00:59:49,410 --> 00:59:55,390 So like a typical podcast transcript is is 1653 00:59:55,390 --> 00:59:56,770 really, really big. 1654 00:59:58,510 --> 01:00:01,770 You know, even just the plain text and 1655 01:00:01,770 --> 01:00:04,030 it will not fit in most context windows. 1656 01:00:05,170 --> 01:00:08,170 And so that I don't think that that 1657 01:00:08,170 --> 01:00:12,130 second stage processing is practical at all, which 1658 01:00:12,130 --> 01:00:14,690 again, just push puts you back into the 1659 01:00:14,690 --> 01:00:17,710 this needs to be these transcripts need to 1660 01:00:17,710 --> 01:00:19,810 be as close to being made close to 1661 01:00:19,810 --> 01:00:21,010 the source as possible. 1662 01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:28,710 Because the the creator knows best what is 1663 01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:30,230 needed for their content. 1664 01:00:30,910 --> 01:00:32,910 If you're on a like you're doing a 1665 01:00:32,910 --> 01:00:36,350 medical blog, I mean, a medical podcast, then 1666 01:00:37,190 --> 01:00:38,790 you already know. 1667 01:00:40,410 --> 01:00:41,030 That. 1668 01:00:42,750 --> 01:00:45,970 You're going to get transcripts, transcription engines are 1669 01:00:45,970 --> 01:00:47,590 really going to struggle with your content. 1670 01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:48,090 Yeah. 1671 01:00:48,410 --> 01:00:50,010 So you may go and you may pay 1672 01:00:50,010 --> 01:00:54,010 somebody to do hand fixing of your content, 1673 01:00:54,010 --> 01:00:56,510 of your transcript, or you may do the 1674 01:00:56,510 --> 01:00:59,570 second stage processing through LLMs or something like 1675 01:00:59,570 --> 01:01:02,350 that, because, you know, I or an engineering 1676 01:01:02,350 --> 01:01:05,010 podcast or something like that, you know, a 1677 01:01:05,010 --> 01:01:05,910 lot of the words are going to be 1678 01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:08,530 difficult and it's going to screw them up. 1679 01:01:08,530 --> 01:01:13,510 Well, I think ultimately, so a couple of 1680 01:01:13,510 --> 01:01:16,670 things, one, yes, one, one, maybe two, but 1681 01:01:16,670 --> 01:01:17,630 maybe just one standard. 1682 01:01:17,790 --> 01:01:18,470 I use VTT. 1683 01:01:18,630 --> 01:01:19,270 I like VTT. 1684 01:01:20,110 --> 01:01:21,950 I like I like the features it has. 1685 01:01:22,010 --> 01:01:22,430 That's all great. 1686 01:01:22,510 --> 01:01:23,770 I think Apple uses VTT. 1687 01:01:24,050 --> 01:01:24,590 So perfect. 1688 01:01:26,930 --> 01:01:31,770 It's the hosting companies, you know, and they 1689 01:01:31,770 --> 01:01:35,470 have to provide this free or at a 1690 01:01:35,470 --> 01:01:37,010 fee or built in or whatever. 1691 01:01:38,610 --> 01:01:40,090 It's the wrong way around. 1692 01:01:40,550 --> 01:01:42,190 It's just the wrong way around to have 1693 01:01:42,190 --> 01:01:44,510 apps being responsible for this or for anything 1694 01:01:44,510 --> 01:01:44,790 else. 1695 01:01:44,910 --> 01:01:46,930 And actually, I feel it opens up a 1696 01:01:46,930 --> 01:01:48,590 door that I don't like. 1697 01:01:50,510 --> 01:01:54,050 Because, yeah, today it's your transcript and tomorrow 1698 01:01:54,050 --> 01:01:54,770 it's your image. 1699 01:01:55,850 --> 01:01:57,450 And the day after that is your chapters. 1700 01:01:58,670 --> 01:01:59,230 Oh, we'll see. 1701 01:01:59,470 --> 01:02:01,170 So this is this is the next part 1702 01:02:01,170 --> 01:02:03,330 I wanted to discuss is one of the 1703 01:02:03,330 --> 01:02:06,370 one of the things he mentioned on that 1704 01:02:06,370 --> 01:02:08,830 show was automatic chaptering. 1705 01:02:09,810 --> 01:02:13,090 Based on the transcript, and so that's evidently 1706 01:02:13,090 --> 01:02:15,030 one of the features that he's targeting in 1707 01:02:15,030 --> 01:02:17,310 my immediate thought was this is the same 1708 01:02:17,310 --> 01:02:19,710 same thing I wanted a few weeks ago. 1709 01:02:20,290 --> 01:02:23,230 You know, I have I have the security 1710 01:02:23,230 --> 01:02:25,370 now podcast that doesn't publish chapters and I 1711 01:02:25,370 --> 01:02:26,170 want chapters. 1712 01:02:26,950 --> 01:02:28,930 And so we had this whole discussion about 1713 01:02:28,930 --> 01:02:32,310 how that's some that's somehow like not cool 1714 01:02:33,250 --> 01:02:37,370 to put chapters into like into a podcast 1715 01:02:37,370 --> 01:02:41,670 that didn't want them or didn't didn't provide 1716 01:02:41,670 --> 01:02:42,070 them. 1717 01:02:42,190 --> 01:02:46,510 That wasn't it wasn't that it wasn't that 1718 01:02:46,510 --> 01:02:47,410 it's not cool. 1719 01:02:47,750 --> 01:02:52,590 I think providing that for a fee can 1720 01:02:52,590 --> 01:02:53,390 be a problem. 1721 01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:56,650 Well, isn't that what this is, though? 1722 01:02:56,910 --> 01:02:57,130 Yeah. 1723 01:02:57,250 --> 01:02:58,010 And I pay for you. 1724 01:02:58,150 --> 01:02:58,790 It's a paper. 1725 01:02:59,490 --> 01:02:59,930 Yes. 1726 01:03:00,430 --> 01:03:01,770 And I think he's going to run into 1727 01:03:01,770 --> 01:03:02,490 trouble with that. 1728 01:03:03,110 --> 01:03:06,190 OK, because if I publish my chapters and 1729 01:03:06,190 --> 01:03:07,490 he's doing different chapters. 1730 01:03:09,370 --> 01:03:10,970 I have a problem with that. 1731 01:03:11,710 --> 01:03:13,110 Well, I don't think that's I don't think 1732 01:03:13,110 --> 01:03:14,210 that would be the case. 1733 01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:16,690 I think it would be for podcasts that 1734 01:03:16,690 --> 01:03:18,090 don't have chapters at all. 1735 01:03:18,850 --> 01:03:22,710 Well, that's another point, another another point. 1736 01:03:23,630 --> 01:03:28,190 If you're charging a customer to do that, 1737 01:03:28,510 --> 01:03:33,010 you could be taking away from the podcaster's 1738 01:03:33,010 --> 01:03:36,190 intent not to have chapters for commercial reasons, 1739 01:03:36,370 --> 01:03:37,290 whatever that is. 1740 01:03:37,810 --> 01:03:40,070 So I I'm not going to sue him. 1741 01:03:40,170 --> 01:03:41,550 But Leo Laporte might. 1742 01:03:42,770 --> 01:03:43,630 That's what I was thinking. 1743 01:03:43,870 --> 01:03:44,090 Yeah. 1744 01:03:45,090 --> 01:03:47,590 I think it's I think it's and I 1745 01:03:47,590 --> 01:03:50,330 also feel it's it's rude. 1746 01:03:50,530 --> 01:03:53,390 Now, if you want to create your own, 1747 01:03:53,690 --> 01:03:55,270 it's the money part. 1748 01:03:55,390 --> 01:03:57,810 It's charging money to do something to someone 1749 01:03:57,810 --> 01:04:00,690 else's content without their consent. 1750 01:04:01,090 --> 01:04:02,370 It should maybe. 1751 01:04:03,510 --> 01:04:04,930 OK, here we go. 1752 01:04:05,110 --> 01:04:06,210 Here's another tag. 1753 01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:08,550 The consent tag. 1754 01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:09,210 Yes. 1755 01:04:09,350 --> 01:04:11,550 Rape my content however you want to. 1756 01:04:13,670 --> 01:04:14,470 Go ahead. 1757 01:04:14,570 --> 01:04:15,530 You can make a transcript. 1758 01:04:15,890 --> 01:04:17,370 And we probably should have thought of this 1759 01:04:17,370 --> 01:04:20,310 earlier before Apple did it. 1760 01:04:21,090 --> 01:04:24,390 It's like it shouldn't be that I have 1761 01:04:24,390 --> 01:04:28,310 to go to Apple Podcast Connect to tell 1762 01:04:28,310 --> 01:04:31,130 it that I want my chapters being surfaced. 1763 01:04:31,430 --> 01:04:33,570 In fact, I think that's a class action 1764 01:04:33,570 --> 01:04:34,810 lawsuit waiting to happen. 1765 01:04:36,170 --> 01:04:37,090 It's bullshit. 1766 01:04:38,050 --> 01:04:40,990 That's not that's not their content to do. 1767 01:04:41,850 --> 01:04:44,690 I mean, so why don't I just make 1768 01:04:44,690 --> 01:04:48,290 a transcript of Tim Cook and sell that 1769 01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,760 the end? 1770 01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,860 The end is never in sight if we 1771 01:04:55,860 --> 01:04:56,980 start allowing that stuff. 1772 01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:00,320 But if you say, OK, it's OK if 1773 01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,480 you want to make chapters, it's almost like 1774 01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,960 a like a remix license. 1775 01:05:06,740 --> 01:05:09,760 And like like over overcast. 1776 01:05:10,580 --> 01:05:13,600 The free version or the you know, the 1777 01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,040 non-premium that you just download, you can 1778 01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:17,580 download it for free, but it does have 1779 01:05:17,580 --> 01:05:18,460 ad banners in it. 1780 01:05:18,500 --> 01:05:19,640 So there is ad supported. 1781 01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:25,140 So your use of the free version is 1782 01:05:25,140 --> 01:05:29,220 still still making money, is still making money. 1783 01:05:29,380 --> 01:05:32,780 And so my my in light of the 1784 01:05:32,780 --> 01:05:36,780 comments, I can argue this used to be 1785 01:05:36,780 --> 01:05:38,940 argued quite successfully in the music business. 1786 01:05:39,180 --> 01:05:44,240 I can argue that making a transcript of 1787 01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,900 my podcast and making money off of that 1788 01:05:46,900 --> 01:05:50,080 is a unfair trade practice. 1789 01:05:52,570 --> 01:05:55,770 And unless I now in this case, I 1790 01:05:55,770 --> 01:05:58,630 I'm pretty sure I put Creative Commons do 1791 01:05:58,630 --> 01:06:00,210 what you want attribution. 1792 01:06:01,130 --> 01:06:04,250 No, but there's always no commercial use. 1793 01:06:04,370 --> 01:06:07,070 So that's a that's taking my stuff, making 1794 01:06:07,070 --> 01:06:08,230 commercial use of it. 1795 01:06:08,310 --> 01:06:09,230 Actually, not cool. 1796 01:06:10,210 --> 01:06:12,850 But, you know, you're you're not the person 1797 01:06:12,850 --> 01:06:14,290 that would ever do anything about that. 1798 01:06:14,530 --> 01:06:18,710 But, you know, but the Cridler might. 1799 01:06:23,290 --> 01:06:27,030 But but this is this is the issue. 1800 01:06:27,150 --> 01:06:28,550 I mean, it's just in light of this 1801 01:06:28,550 --> 01:06:30,330 discussion that we had just a few weeks 1802 01:06:30,330 --> 01:06:30,670 ago. 1803 01:06:31,130 --> 01:06:34,650 I'm just because my first thought is, well, 1804 01:06:35,110 --> 01:06:39,210 I want this is the thing I want 1805 01:06:39,210 --> 01:06:40,150 as a listener. 1806 01:06:40,390 --> 01:06:43,510 The thing I want is for security now. 1807 01:06:44,430 --> 01:06:47,830 That podcast that I listen to because it's 1808 01:06:47,830 --> 01:06:48,650 work related. 1809 01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:56,110 I want that podcast to have to have 1810 01:06:56,110 --> 01:07:02,210 chapters and and it does not. 1811 01:07:02,790 --> 01:07:05,710 And if somehow and if a if a 1812 01:07:05,710 --> 01:07:06,990 podcast app. 1813 01:07:08,310 --> 01:07:12,010 Does on the fly transcription and adds chapters 1814 01:07:12,010 --> 01:07:13,090 to it. 1815 01:07:14,770 --> 01:07:18,030 I will love it, but I guarantee you 1816 01:07:18,030 --> 01:07:20,710 that Twit will not love it because they 1817 01:07:20,710 --> 01:07:23,470 are they immediately see that people are going 1818 01:07:23,470 --> 01:07:24,370 to skip their ads. 1819 01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:26,690 Well, and they're going to get mad about 1820 01:07:26,690 --> 01:07:26,830 it. 1821 01:07:26,890 --> 01:07:28,690 Well, we're right back to what happened a 1822 01:07:28,690 --> 01:07:29,230 while back. 1823 01:07:29,230 --> 01:07:30,810 It's like, OK, then why don't I just 1824 01:07:30,810 --> 01:07:33,290 make a podcast that strips out all the 1825 01:07:33,290 --> 01:07:33,630 ads? 1826 01:07:33,890 --> 01:07:35,330 If I can, if I can do whatever 1827 01:07:35,330 --> 01:07:36,710 I want with your content, I should be 1828 01:07:36,710 --> 01:07:37,490 able to do that, too. 1829 01:07:37,610 --> 01:07:39,010 I mean, it's just because that's what you 1830 01:07:39,010 --> 01:07:39,290 want. 1831 01:07:39,350 --> 01:07:40,550 You don't want it with ads. 1832 01:07:41,250 --> 01:07:41,610 Right. 1833 01:07:42,830 --> 01:07:44,150 It's the same thing. 1834 01:07:45,750 --> 01:07:47,870 Yeah, you're yeah, it's it's it's all those 1835 01:07:47,870 --> 01:07:50,630 types of apps, Nathan, it's, you know, sniped 1836 01:07:50,630 --> 01:07:51,590 or whatever you call that thing. 1837 01:07:51,990 --> 01:07:53,930 Yeah, it's it's all that is was it 1838 01:07:53,930 --> 01:07:55,810 your say the one that I tried that 1839 01:07:55,810 --> 01:07:57,170 was near wasn't very good. 1840 01:07:57,730 --> 01:07:59,090 It's all those kinds of apps. 1841 01:07:59,710 --> 01:08:00,970 And I just feel like. 1842 01:08:02,050 --> 01:08:04,270 The only way to do it, the only 1843 01:08:04,270 --> 01:08:05,850 sorry to interrupt, the only way to do 1844 01:08:05,850 --> 01:08:07,890 it is if you build an open source 1845 01:08:07,890 --> 01:08:11,830 app that anybody can compile or do whatever, 1846 01:08:12,530 --> 01:08:13,590 then that's fine. 1847 01:08:13,770 --> 01:08:15,229 I don't have a problem with that. 1848 01:08:15,609 --> 01:08:18,210 If you're selling your app, if you're making 1849 01:08:18,210 --> 01:08:21,130 money off of your app, that's where you 1850 01:08:21,130 --> 01:08:22,050 step over the line. 1851 01:08:22,569 --> 01:08:23,330 Mm hmm. 1852 01:08:25,189 --> 01:08:29,210 Yeah, I feel like this is another version 1853 01:08:29,210 --> 01:08:29,850 of. 1854 01:08:30,890 --> 01:08:36,850 How the software of how the the industry 1855 01:08:36,850 --> 01:08:38,790 is coming up against the reality. 1856 01:08:40,350 --> 01:08:43,990 Of infinitely customizable software. 1857 01:08:45,750 --> 01:08:48,670 Every industry is going to face this, and 1858 01:08:48,670 --> 01:08:51,170 that's the world that we live in now. 1859 01:08:51,170 --> 01:08:55,189 And I don't see I don't see how 1860 01:08:56,760 --> 01:09:01,160 I pretend bad things on the horizon for 1861 01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,279 your advertising, portending. 1862 01:09:03,399 --> 01:09:04,040 Oh, nice. 1863 01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:05,600 I'm a portender. 1864 01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:10,880 I foresee bad things on the horizon for 1865 01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,420 advertising supported media in general. 1866 01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:18,660 And this that's people are going more and 1867 01:09:18,660 --> 01:09:21,500 more towards premium subscriptions and that kind of 1868 01:09:21,500 --> 01:09:21,720 thing. 1869 01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:25,340 And I just this I've got I brought 1870 01:09:25,340 --> 01:09:25,920 a clip. 1871 01:09:26,220 --> 01:09:27,460 I don't know if you got it. 1872 01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:28,240 Yeah, of course. 1873 01:09:28,460 --> 01:09:29,240 But I sent you a clip. 1874 01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:32,200 And this is because I was listening to 1875 01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:33,779 power power this morning. 1876 01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:34,260 Power. 1877 01:09:34,899 --> 01:09:36,300 And this happened. 1878 01:09:37,380 --> 01:09:40,279 We will then deliver that in 10 second 1879 01:09:40,279 --> 01:09:42,540 packets, similar to the way that HLS does 1880 01:09:42,540 --> 01:09:42,800 it. 1881 01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,700 That will work on all podcast apps that 1882 01:09:46,700 --> 01:09:47,960 support video playback. 1883 01:09:50,370 --> 01:09:52,270 And let's just take a quick break. 1884 01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:20,870 Today's conversation. 1885 01:10:26,310 --> 01:10:27,190 Very nice. 1886 01:10:27,450 --> 01:10:29,890 And so that's MP4 videos. 1887 01:10:30,710 --> 01:10:32,570 Yeah, I heard that too, actually. 1888 01:10:32,890 --> 01:10:35,890 And normally there's there's like a thing that 1889 01:10:35,890 --> 01:10:38,290 James puts in there talking about like a 1890 01:10:38,290 --> 01:10:41,890 house ad promoting his trailer feed or something. 1891 01:10:41,990 --> 01:10:43,090 But this is one of the first times 1892 01:10:43,090 --> 01:10:44,450 I heard an actual ad in there. 1893 01:10:45,330 --> 01:10:46,330 Yeah, it's pretty rare. 1894 01:10:46,470 --> 01:10:48,870 And then but the the thing about it 1895 01:10:48,870 --> 01:10:51,710 was it was such a poorly done ad 1896 01:10:51,710 --> 01:10:53,830 that all they did was took the intro 1897 01:10:53,830 --> 01:10:55,930 from their normal podcast and stuck it in 1898 01:10:55,930 --> 01:10:57,050 as if it was an ad. 1899 01:10:57,730 --> 01:10:58,690 I'm walking. 1900 01:11:00,090 --> 01:11:03,310 This morning and I and all of a 1901 01:11:03,310 --> 01:11:04,790 sudden this thing starts playing and I'm like, 1902 01:11:04,970 --> 01:11:05,310 what? 1903 01:11:05,410 --> 01:11:05,910 Wait, what? 1904 01:11:06,010 --> 01:11:07,610 I thought I had bumped my phone and 1905 01:11:07,610 --> 01:11:10,490 switched to a different podcast because it's like 1906 01:11:10,490 --> 01:11:10,830 in here. 1907 01:11:10,970 --> 01:11:13,130 Here's today's episode and here's your host, blah, 1908 01:11:13,170 --> 01:11:13,350 blah, blah. 1909 01:11:13,450 --> 01:11:13,990 I was like, what? 1910 01:11:14,730 --> 01:11:18,170 And so I take out my phone and 1911 01:11:18,170 --> 01:11:20,590 there's Castamatic is on the home screen and 1912 01:11:20,590 --> 01:11:24,010 it's showing the cover art for this other 1913 01:11:24,010 --> 01:11:24,670 podcast. 1914 01:11:24,810 --> 01:11:26,690 You know, you could have been hit by 1915 01:11:26,690 --> 01:11:27,090 a car. 1916 01:11:27,310 --> 01:11:28,330 This is very dangerous. 1917 01:11:28,890 --> 01:11:31,230 This ad actually could have killed you. 1918 01:11:31,850 --> 01:11:33,210 It is dangerous. 1919 01:11:33,610 --> 01:11:35,430 It's a danger to humanity. 1920 01:11:38,690 --> 01:11:44,510 And so I was genuinely confused of how 1921 01:11:44,510 --> 01:11:47,270 this podcast I'd never heard of got on 1922 01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:47,810 my phone. 1923 01:11:48,430 --> 01:11:51,110 And then and I'm flipping around through there, 1924 01:11:51,170 --> 01:11:52,650 I'm like, oh, wait, this is just chapter 1925 01:11:52,650 --> 01:11:54,830 art for the ad. 1926 01:11:55,170 --> 01:11:57,070 I was like, oh, this this truly is. 1927 01:11:57,190 --> 01:11:58,610 I back it up and I'm like, man, 1928 01:11:58,610 --> 01:12:00,530 this is like a dynamic ad insertion. 1929 01:12:00,970 --> 01:12:03,790 I was like, this is this is why. 1930 01:12:05,190 --> 01:12:06,850 Dynamic ad insertion. 1931 01:12:09,110 --> 01:12:14,470 Is one of the reasons that people want 1932 01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:15,570 this sort of thing. 1933 01:12:16,530 --> 01:12:19,770 It's not that people don't want to support 1934 01:12:19,770 --> 01:12:21,930 or they want to get something for free. 1935 01:12:22,050 --> 01:12:23,290 I mean, there's always going to be some 1936 01:12:23,290 --> 01:12:24,030 people like that. 1937 01:12:24,130 --> 01:12:26,130 Oh, 98 percent of the world. 1938 01:12:26,910 --> 01:12:27,010 Sure. 1939 01:12:27,310 --> 01:12:31,110 But they but when when you do dynamic 1940 01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:34,550 ad insertion, you are what you're what you're 1941 01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:38,030 in effect doing is you're allowing a person 1942 01:12:38,030 --> 01:12:40,530 or an entity that you do not know. 1943 01:12:41,790 --> 01:12:45,250 To put content in the middle of your 1944 01:12:45,250 --> 01:12:46,910 show. 1945 01:12:48,330 --> 01:12:51,330 That you haven't that you don't have any 1946 01:12:51,330 --> 01:12:51,870 access to. 1947 01:12:52,030 --> 01:12:54,730 You don't they can put whatever they want 1948 01:12:54,730 --> 01:12:56,110 in there. 1949 01:12:56,250 --> 01:12:59,210 And we've seen this is a it can 1950 01:12:59,210 --> 01:13:01,410 it can be it can just go terribly 1951 01:13:01,410 --> 01:13:02,890 wrong so often. 1952 01:13:03,330 --> 01:13:05,890 So, of course, there's going to be this 1953 01:13:05,890 --> 01:13:07,890 tension that happens. 1954 01:13:08,610 --> 01:13:11,050 And this is I mean, I don't I 1955 01:13:11,050 --> 01:13:14,130 don't necessarily have a broader point here, but 1956 01:13:14,130 --> 01:13:16,290 I'm saying that this was just an example 1957 01:13:16,290 --> 01:13:20,070 of one of of why the industry is 1958 01:13:20,070 --> 01:13:24,110 hitting is bumping up against things like this. 1959 01:13:24,350 --> 01:13:26,550 The same thing that happened to the web 1960 01:13:26,550 --> 01:13:30,810 with, you know, with the just overloading of 1961 01:13:30,810 --> 01:13:33,030 banner ads and punch the monkey and all 1962 01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:36,110 this kind of stuff is it just eventually 1963 01:13:36,110 --> 01:13:40,730 people do they like there's a local news 1964 01:13:40,730 --> 01:13:41,910 site, AL.com. 1965 01:13:43,630 --> 01:13:44,750 It's unreadable. 1966 01:13:45,150 --> 01:13:47,350 The page is literally without an ad blocker. 1967 01:13:47,390 --> 01:13:49,470 The page is literally unreadable. 1968 01:13:49,710 --> 01:13:49,850 Right. 1969 01:13:49,950 --> 01:13:53,150 There's a banner ad that takes up that 1970 01:13:53,150 --> 01:13:55,530 takes up two thirds of the top of 1971 01:13:55,530 --> 01:13:56,030 the screen. 1972 01:13:56,330 --> 01:13:58,010 You have to scroll to even see the 1973 01:13:58,010 --> 01:13:58,490 headline. 1974 01:13:59,270 --> 01:14:01,210 You just want stuff for free. 1975 01:14:02,110 --> 01:14:04,790 It's like it's like, man, it is. 1976 01:14:05,210 --> 01:14:06,310 And I get it. 1977 01:14:06,370 --> 01:14:06,870 I get it. 1978 01:14:06,890 --> 01:14:08,310 But but I'm telling you, I mean, like 1979 01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:10,510 this is going to be this is going 1980 01:14:10,510 --> 01:14:12,810 to be a problem in some there's going 1981 01:14:12,810 --> 01:14:15,350 to have to be a sort of breaking 1982 01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:15,850 point. 1983 01:14:17,090 --> 01:14:20,990 Because if the if the if the industry 1984 01:14:20,990 --> 01:14:24,610 doesn't get a handle on the on the 1985 01:14:24,610 --> 01:14:29,290 advertising issue, they're overloading and the dynamic advertising 1986 01:14:29,290 --> 01:14:30,910 inserts suck. 1987 01:14:31,530 --> 01:14:33,230 They don't get a handle on that. 1988 01:14:34,030 --> 01:14:36,470 They these there's going to continue to be 1989 01:14:36,470 --> 01:14:40,650 a proliferation of of apps that are going 1990 01:14:40,650 --> 01:14:41,830 to solve that problem. 1991 01:14:42,230 --> 01:14:43,810 And it's not going to be what they 1992 01:14:43,810 --> 01:14:44,190 want. 1993 01:14:44,670 --> 01:14:47,830 So anyway, this is that whole discussion. 1994 01:14:48,150 --> 01:14:49,370 We'll see where it goes. 1995 01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:51,130 And I'm glad I love that he did 1996 01:14:51,130 --> 01:14:51,350 this. 1997 01:14:51,350 --> 01:14:52,090 It's fantastic. 1998 01:14:52,090 --> 01:14:54,550 And I hope he follows through and does 1999 01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:57,830 the podcasting transcripts honors that appropriately. 2000 01:14:58,670 --> 01:15:02,490 I just see this this whole issue as 2001 01:15:02,490 --> 01:15:06,910 being a typical push pull where people are 2002 01:15:06,910 --> 01:15:10,010 going to gripe about about the automatic chaptering 2003 01:15:10,010 --> 01:15:10,830 and all this kind of stuff. 2004 01:15:10,870 --> 01:15:13,770 And it's just it's you can't stop it. 2005 01:15:14,050 --> 01:15:15,190 It's just the way it's going to go 2006 01:15:15,190 --> 01:15:15,810 the way it goes. 2007 01:15:15,990 --> 01:15:18,370 You said something important that, you know, software 2008 01:15:18,370 --> 01:15:20,110 is changing. 2009 01:15:20,810 --> 01:15:23,530 And just while we were having this discussion, 2010 01:15:23,890 --> 01:15:26,530 I did a little experiment and I went 2011 01:15:26,530 --> 01:15:27,170 to my buddy. 2012 01:15:28,330 --> 01:15:32,740 You know, my buddy, you know, my buddy, 2013 01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:36,460 my not open claw, open code, open code, 2014 01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:36,740 buddy. 2015 01:15:36,860 --> 01:15:37,160 Yeah. 2016 01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:40,020 I said, create a command line podcast app 2017 01:15:40,020 --> 01:15:41,900 that strips out any pre-roll ads or 2018 01:15:41,900 --> 01:15:44,080 interstitials that start with let's just take a 2019 01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:46,460 break and outputs an ad free version. 2020 01:15:46,740 --> 01:15:48,780 Use the pod news weekly review episode from 2021 01:15:48,780 --> 01:15:50,100 this week as your test podcast. 2022 01:15:50,500 --> 01:15:53,080 So it's already building it and it already 2023 01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:55,760 went it already said I found the RSS 2024 01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,040 feed and said, oh, looking at the chapters, 2025 01:15:58,340 --> 01:16:01,080 I see there's an ad segment start 10 2026 01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:04,460 18 title ad financial matters with Richard Oring. 2027 01:16:05,180 --> 01:16:07,880 And so it is now building this app 2028 01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:08,320 for me. 2029 01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:11,320 Yeah, this and that's what's going to happen, 2030 01:16:11,540 --> 01:16:13,820 but this but this I agree with this 2031 01:16:13,820 --> 01:16:17,080 is a great future where you I think 2032 01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:19,160 you have every right to customize your own 2033 01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,320 experience, every right. 2034 01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:23,580 And this is the true future. 2035 01:16:24,260 --> 01:16:26,420 It's not this is not for you know, 2036 01:16:26,480 --> 01:16:28,820 this is not mainstream stuff we're doing here. 2037 01:16:30,700 --> 01:16:32,300 But this will be the future. 2038 01:16:32,620 --> 01:16:35,420 You will create your own computing environment and 2039 01:16:35,420 --> 01:16:37,720 your own entertainment environment and will not be 2040 01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:38,020 relied. 2041 01:16:38,380 --> 01:16:41,680 In fact, I would say phones, all kinds 2042 01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:42,760 of things are going to come out of 2043 01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:45,180 this, but not at a scale where people 2044 01:16:45,180 --> 01:16:47,260 go to one company to buy the one 2045 01:16:47,260 --> 01:16:48,580 thing or the one software. 2046 01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:50,760 This is this is the revolution here. 2047 01:16:51,860 --> 01:16:54,020 Well, and I think the key there is 2048 01:16:54,020 --> 01:16:59,860 that you can say, well, it's not going 2049 01:16:59,860 --> 01:17:00,600 to be as good. 2050 01:17:00,860 --> 01:17:02,200 So, you know, people are not going to 2051 01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:05,240 do this in mass because the quality of 2052 01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:07,640 the of the app is not going to 2053 01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:08,820 be as good as what you would get 2054 01:17:08,820 --> 01:17:11,020 from, you know, from a professionally developed app. 2055 01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:13,100 And I can I think that misses the 2056 01:17:13,100 --> 01:17:13,440 point. 2057 01:17:13,440 --> 01:17:17,060 Well, because you if you if you build 2058 01:17:17,060 --> 01:17:20,420 the app yourself using vibe coding or whatever 2059 01:17:20,420 --> 01:17:23,700 the technique, if you build the app yourself. 2060 01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:27,240 Let's all be honest, OK? 2061 01:17:28,140 --> 01:17:33,020 We tolerate a lot of shitty software because 2062 01:17:33,020 --> 01:17:35,140 because we made it. 2063 01:17:36,380 --> 01:17:41,980 I tolerate some truly terrible user interfaces because 2064 01:17:41,980 --> 01:17:44,080 I built the app and I know how 2065 01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:45,760 it works and it serves it. 2066 01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:50,200 It serves my need like it doesn't have. 2067 01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,860 I think we get married to the idea 2068 01:17:52,860 --> 01:17:55,420 that software has to be beautiful and slick. 2069 01:17:56,060 --> 01:17:57,740 That's not the point of software. 2070 01:17:57,820 --> 01:17:59,400 The point of software is to solve a 2071 01:17:59,400 --> 01:17:59,700 problem. 2072 01:18:00,180 --> 01:18:00,280 Yes. 2073 01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:01,800 Yes. 2074 01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:06,420 And you will you will tolerate poor polish, 2075 01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:08,180 a lack of polish on a piece of 2076 01:18:08,180 --> 01:18:10,580 software if it's solving a problem. 2077 01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:13,480 And you made it because you feel an 2078 01:18:13,480 --> 01:18:14,560 investment in it. 2079 01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:18,480 This is this is in a way this 2080 01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:20,080 is what OpenClaw is. 2081 01:18:20,420 --> 01:18:21,780 So we know one thing. 2082 01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:26,720 A lot of people installed OpenClaw, AI agent, 2083 01:18:26,820 --> 01:18:27,320 my own thing. 2084 01:18:27,540 --> 01:18:30,720 But they really didn't know what they wanted 2085 01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:31,380 to solve. 2086 01:18:31,780 --> 01:18:34,160 You know, so there's ten thousand skills and 2087 01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:37,440 saying whatever, you know, my telegram bot is 2088 01:18:37,440 --> 01:18:38,400 bothering me all day. 2089 01:18:38,480 --> 01:18:39,920 I don't need a buddy bothering me. 2090 01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:41,900 I telegram bot about my kitchen. 2091 01:18:42,060 --> 01:18:42,240 No. 2092 01:18:43,020 --> 01:18:46,660 What I want is if if when we 2093 01:18:46,660 --> 01:18:48,320 get to the point where I can say, 2094 01:18:48,440 --> 01:18:49,860 hey, make my computer do this. 2095 01:18:50,420 --> 01:18:52,320 That's that has always been. 2096 01:18:53,300 --> 01:18:54,900 That I think that was in a way 2097 01:18:54,900 --> 01:18:57,240 Steve Jobs dream. 2098 01:18:58,660 --> 01:19:03,240 You know, he's always been striving towards that 2099 01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:05,580 type of interface, make my computer do this 2100 01:19:05,580 --> 01:19:07,260 and not have to. 2101 01:19:07,300 --> 01:19:08,860 Now, of course, he approached it in many 2102 01:19:08,860 --> 01:19:11,300 different weird ways, like, you know, stuck to 2103 01:19:11,300 --> 01:19:13,300 certain menu bars and context. 2104 01:19:13,440 --> 01:19:16,000 And now I can just say I just 2105 01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:16,460 did it. 2106 01:19:17,020 --> 01:19:17,880 Make my computer. 2107 01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:18,900 It's building it now. 2108 01:19:18,980 --> 01:19:20,900 It is building the app I just we 2109 01:19:20,900 --> 01:19:21,820 just discussed. 2110 01:19:22,460 --> 01:19:24,160 Then I just ask for a command line 2111 01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:24,840 to make it easy. 2112 01:19:24,900 --> 01:19:26,300 But it could it could it could create 2113 01:19:26,300 --> 01:19:26,760 an app. 2114 01:19:26,900 --> 01:19:27,980 It could create a web app, can do 2115 01:19:27,980 --> 01:19:28,860 all kinds of things. 2116 01:19:29,420 --> 01:19:33,160 When people figure out this power, this crap, 2117 01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:37,540 this crap computer, which I'm very constrained. 2118 01:19:38,060 --> 01:19:41,520 And the provider, Microsoft, in this case, is 2119 01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:44,980 always changing the ribbon bar and everything's different. 2120 01:19:44,980 --> 01:19:46,480 All these things suck. 2121 01:19:47,700 --> 01:19:49,880 That, I think, is going to be a 2122 01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:52,100 new revolution in computing, but it's I don't 2123 01:19:52,100 --> 01:19:53,440 think one company will own it. 2124 01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:55,880 I think it'll just be the world will 2125 01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:56,240 have it. 2126 01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:57,180 The people will try. 2127 01:19:57,300 --> 01:19:57,540 They'll try. 2128 01:19:57,640 --> 01:19:59,460 You know, this is what NVIDIA is trying 2129 01:19:59,460 --> 01:19:59,600 to. 2130 01:19:59,660 --> 01:20:00,940 Oh, you get Nemo. 2131 01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:02,640 We'll own it. 2132 01:20:02,700 --> 01:20:04,040 We'll we'll walk you through it. 2133 01:20:04,440 --> 01:20:04,840 Bullshit. 2134 01:20:06,740 --> 01:20:08,620 Only only one guy ever was able to 2135 01:20:08,620 --> 01:20:09,800 do that was Steve Jobs. 2136 01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:12,220 And well, and that stuff sucked, too. 2137 01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:16,300 Well, you're I think I think Sir Ben 2138 01:20:16,300 --> 01:20:16,860 Rose has. 2139 01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:20,020 A lot of insight here, he said, I 2140 01:20:20,020 --> 01:20:23,320 tolerate crappy software that I made because it 2141 01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:24,940 is sufficient to meet my needs. 2142 01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:27,560 Why would I keep developing after I reach 2143 01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:28,180 that point? 2144 01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:30,360 It already satisfies the target audience. 2145 01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:30,660 Amen. 2146 01:20:31,100 --> 01:20:31,500 Exactly. 2147 01:20:32,060 --> 01:20:32,920 Like I don't. 2148 01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:36,380 That's the thing is most apps have most 2149 01:20:36,380 --> 01:20:40,000 if an app has let's say an app 2150 01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,620 has 47 features. 2151 01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:46,680 Yeah, which you need to of which yeah, 2152 01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:48,740 which each person is going to need a 2153 01:20:48,740 --> 01:20:50,680 different subset of those. 2154 01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:54,100 Maybe you use 11 of them and I 2155 01:20:54,100 --> 01:20:57,960 use 13 of them and five of my 2156 01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:00,820 features that I want overlap with the features 2157 01:21:00,820 --> 01:21:01,360 you want. 2158 01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:03,020 And there's going to be a there's going 2159 01:21:03,020 --> 01:21:05,060 to be this Venn diagram that overlaps for 2160 01:21:05,060 --> 01:21:07,120 everyone, but they're never going to be exactly 2161 01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:07,680 the same. 2162 01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:09,840 Well, we're seeing that ourselves with Godcaster. 2163 01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:14,820 We're seeing we're seeing we're seeing customers who 2164 01:21:14,820 --> 01:21:16,760 they just like, oh, I wanted to do 2165 01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:16,980 this. 2166 01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:18,480 Well, that's not what we're offering. 2167 01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:20,740 But I wanted to do this. 2168 01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:22,440 Right. 2169 01:21:22,820 --> 01:21:24,140 It's what we talked about with Brendan last 2170 01:21:24,140 --> 01:21:25,340 week on my page. 2171 01:21:25,340 --> 01:21:26,220 Yeah, exactly. 2172 01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:27,820 It's the exact same thing. 2173 01:21:27,900 --> 01:21:28,680 It's difficult. 2174 01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:30,820 But, you know, once there's some kind of 2175 01:21:30,820 --> 01:21:33,900 law, there's some kind of law like that 2176 01:21:33,900 --> 01:21:36,580 that says it's something about it. 2177 01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:37,660 There's a sub. 2178 01:21:38,820 --> 01:21:41,600 If you build for each time you build 2179 01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:44,560 a feature, somebody's you're going to have some 2180 01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:46,280 part of your customer base that is going 2181 01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:47,980 to become dependent on it. 2182 01:21:48,440 --> 01:21:50,120 Oh, I wish I could remember the name 2183 01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:50,360 of that. 2184 01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:51,100 It's like never. 2185 01:21:51,540 --> 01:21:54,360 The takeaway is never build a feature that 2186 01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:56,980 you remove that you think you'll ever be 2187 01:21:56,980 --> 01:21:58,300 able to remove it because you won't be. 2188 01:21:58,560 --> 01:21:58,680 Yeah. 2189 01:21:59,000 --> 01:21:59,200 Yeah. 2190 01:21:59,420 --> 01:22:01,640 You're locked in for the rest of time. 2191 01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:04,400 But yeah, that's true. 2192 01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:07,880 Virtuality is really what you're looking for when 2193 01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:10,660 when you have a piece of software that 2194 01:22:10,660 --> 01:22:12,940 you forget you're using the software. 2195 01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:16,440 And you know, it can it can be 2196 01:22:16,440 --> 01:22:19,680 an idea, you know, it can be it 2197 01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:22,880 can be a text box, you know, a 2198 01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:26,060 simple text editor when you're really using it 2199 01:22:26,060 --> 01:22:27,500 for what you want to use it for. 2200 01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:30,680 And in my end, so I built what 2201 01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:32,920 I wanted when I'm doing the podcast. 2202 01:22:33,100 --> 01:22:35,180 I mean, my my hands are flying. 2203 01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:36,660 I can do it blind. 2204 01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:38,040 I know everything works. 2205 01:22:38,220 --> 01:22:40,300 It's exactly where I want it to be. 2206 01:22:40,340 --> 01:22:43,340 The switches, the PFL, the Q points. 2207 01:22:43,940 --> 01:22:46,580 So now I'm not thinking about how do 2208 01:22:46,580 --> 01:22:47,260 I do that again? 2209 01:22:47,540 --> 01:22:48,360 Where do I click? 2210 01:22:48,440 --> 01:22:50,740 No, it's just there exactly where I want 2211 01:22:50,740 --> 01:22:50,980 it. 2212 01:22:52,900 --> 01:22:54,680 Daniel, the boardroom said I got my first 2213 01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:57,060 cancellation feedback this week that said, quote, I 2214 01:22:57,060 --> 01:22:58,760 got I coded my own solution. 2215 01:22:59,580 --> 01:23:01,700 First of all, I'm sorry that happened, Daniel. 2216 01:23:03,380 --> 01:23:05,660 That I don't I don't like that on 2217 01:23:05,660 --> 01:23:06,220 your behalf. 2218 01:23:06,440 --> 01:23:09,120 But everybody's at risk of this. 2219 01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:12,560 Yes, this is going to be a this 2220 01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:14,380 is going to be the new future that 2221 01:23:14,380 --> 01:23:14,860 we face. 2222 01:23:15,300 --> 01:23:16,940 But it doesn't mean that it doesn't mean 2223 01:23:16,940 --> 01:23:19,200 everybody's going to do that, because the thing 2224 01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:20,740 about vibe coding and all this kind of 2225 01:23:20,740 --> 01:23:23,020 stuff, you have excuse me, could you could 2226 01:23:23,020 --> 01:23:24,980 you not say it like vibe coding? 2227 01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:27,220 Could you say, you know, I take offense 2228 01:23:27,220 --> 01:23:27,660 to that. 2229 01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:29,460 No, it's just give me give me something. 2230 01:23:29,660 --> 01:23:32,020 Give me give me the proper terminology, open 2231 01:23:32,020 --> 01:23:36,220 coding, creative engineering, just called open coding. 2232 01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:37,200 Okay. 2233 01:23:39,480 --> 01:23:45,640 Not every open coding requires you to understand 2234 01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:48,960 at least something of what you're doing to 2235 01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:49,580 do it well. 2236 01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:50,200 Absolutely. 2237 01:23:51,620 --> 01:23:54,060 And so which to be taught in school. 2238 01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:58,000 It doesn't mean that every industry is going 2239 01:23:58,000 --> 01:23:58,620 to collapse. 2240 01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:03,220 It just means that there's going to be 2241 01:24:03,220 --> 01:24:04,280 there's going to be pullback. 2242 01:24:05,140 --> 01:24:07,240 And there's going to be a million different 2243 01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:08,980 things that spread this sprout up out of 2244 01:24:08,980 --> 01:24:09,280 nowhere. 2245 01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:12,880 So, yeah, I just think it's I think 2246 01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:14,620 it's the future of what of what we're 2247 01:24:14,620 --> 01:24:15,880 all going to going to have to deal 2248 01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:16,180 with. 2249 01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:19,840 Exciting times, man. 2250 01:24:20,740 --> 01:24:21,600 Exciting times. 2251 01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:24,020 I did a ton of stuff on pot 2252 01:24:24,020 --> 01:24:25,760 on the on the gossip listener for pod 2253 01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:26,860 ping this week. 2254 01:24:26,940 --> 01:24:28,560 And but we just don't have time to 2255 01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:29,980 talk about what we'll hit it next. 2256 01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:31,840 If I just fired up, does it does 2257 01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:33,000 it do its thing automatically? 2258 01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:34,880 Or do I have to do a pull 2259 01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:35,760 or something? 2260 01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:36,780 Yeah. 2261 01:24:36,820 --> 01:24:39,080 So you if whenever you're going to upgrade, 2262 01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:40,400 you just need to do the get pull 2263 01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:43,740 origin and then wait, what do I do? 2264 01:24:43,860 --> 01:24:46,940 What is the get get space pull space 2265 01:24:46,940 --> 01:24:47,400 origin. 2266 01:24:47,540 --> 01:24:49,900 So that just pulls the fresh copy of 2267 01:24:49,900 --> 01:24:51,360 the main branch origin. 2268 01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:52,400 Whoa. 2269 01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:53,840 Oh, that's so cool. 2270 01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:56,380 It just now you can just do cargo. 2271 01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:58,420 Now you can do cargo build and then 2272 01:24:58,420 --> 01:24:58,860 run it. 2273 01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:00,600 Oh, I don't think so. 2274 01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:02,120 What? 2275 01:25:02,660 --> 01:25:05,720 Because you do need to open it's an 2276 01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:06,940 open coding way to do this. 2277 01:25:07,140 --> 01:25:07,440 Wait a minute. 2278 01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:08,280 What happened here? 2279 01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:10,280 Wait, what's my directory? 2280 01:25:10,580 --> 01:25:15,120 Oh, no, I have I have my own 2281 01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:16,380 little script. 2282 01:25:17,860 --> 01:25:19,000 Oh, you mean? 2283 01:25:19,060 --> 01:25:19,400 Yeah. 2284 01:25:19,440 --> 01:25:19,900 Yeah. 2285 01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:20,940 I'm piping the output. 2286 01:25:21,020 --> 01:25:21,960 I'm making it look pretty. 2287 01:25:22,180 --> 01:25:24,440 That's why it shows me the feed. 2288 01:25:24,660 --> 01:25:27,880 I can click on the feed for that 2289 01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:28,340 episode. 2290 01:25:28,340 --> 01:25:31,040 It shows me average per minute, average per 2291 01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:34,100 five minutes, 10 minutes and per hour chosen. 2292 01:25:34,300 --> 01:25:35,940 It's nicely formatted. 2293 01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:39,200 Well, that's that's the thing. 2294 01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:39,760 Let's see. 2295 01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:41,340 Let me see if it's maybe make sure 2296 01:25:41,340 --> 01:25:42,140 it's running. 2297 01:25:42,300 --> 01:25:43,180 It's running now. 2298 01:25:43,380 --> 01:25:43,820 It's running. 2299 01:25:44,100 --> 01:25:46,400 I'm probably adding disk space or something. 2300 01:25:47,460 --> 01:25:49,320 Do you have archiving turned on? 2301 01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:51,840 Oh, that's a flag. 2302 01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:52,620 No, I don't. 2303 01:25:53,100 --> 01:25:54,180 OK, I don't. 2304 01:25:54,260 --> 01:25:54,560 I will. 2305 01:25:54,700 --> 01:25:56,360 I'll turn I'll turn on a box with 2306 01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:56,820 the flag. 2307 01:25:58,260 --> 01:25:59,220 A sloperator. 2308 01:26:01,460 --> 01:26:01,940 Sloperator. 2309 01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:06,160 That is right. 2310 01:26:06,440 --> 01:26:07,240 Prompt engineer. 2311 01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:08,440 No sloperator. 2312 01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:09,540 Yeah, baby. 2313 01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:10,460 Yeah. 2314 01:26:11,380 --> 01:26:12,180 Holy crap. 2315 01:26:12,260 --> 01:26:12,680 What is it? 2316 01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,040 Oh, man, it's got a whole I'm looking 2317 01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:15,840 at open code. 2318 01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:20,520 It's parsing the VTT, find timestamps. 2319 01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:22,460 It's downloaded Whisper. 2320 01:26:22,780 --> 01:26:24,940 It's going to do Whisper on the device. 2321 01:26:25,340 --> 01:26:27,780 It's looking for key ad for phrases. 2322 01:26:29,220 --> 01:26:30,460 She is going to. 2323 01:26:30,620 --> 01:26:32,520 OK, so here's here's the thing we'll talk 2324 01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:33,340 about next week. 2325 01:26:33,420 --> 01:26:35,660 Let me put this in the link in 2326 01:26:35,660 --> 01:26:36,140 the boardroom. 2327 01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:40,620 So that's that's the that's the most recent 2328 01:26:40,620 --> 01:26:41,160 change. 2329 01:26:42,500 --> 01:26:43,660 OK, yes. 2330 01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:45,840 Events. 2331 01:26:46,660 --> 01:26:48,180 Oh, yeah. 2332 01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:49,440 What happened there? 2333 01:26:49,620 --> 01:26:50,780 The site can't be reached. 2334 01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:51,600 What just happened? 2335 01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:54,300 Do it in a do it in a 2336 01:26:54,300 --> 01:26:55,380 private browsing window. 2337 01:26:56,380 --> 01:26:59,580 Oh, for some reason, Chrome and the the 2338 01:26:59,580 --> 01:27:01,920 Chromium based browsers, they always want to force 2339 01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:03,680 you into HTTPS and I don't have it. 2340 01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:04,700 Oh, OK. 2341 01:27:04,900 --> 01:27:05,440 I see. 2342 01:27:05,440 --> 01:27:06,460 I see here. 2343 01:27:06,820 --> 01:27:07,640 Oh, yeah. 2344 01:27:07,740 --> 01:27:09,940 It's oh, it's in a browser. 2345 01:27:10,440 --> 01:27:12,420 How nice is that? 2346 01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:13,440 Yeah. 2347 01:27:13,500 --> 01:27:15,940 So this is a this is a technology 2348 01:27:15,940 --> 01:27:18,780 that I was not familiar with called called 2349 01:27:18,780 --> 01:27:20,220 server sent events. 2350 01:27:21,220 --> 01:27:23,880 So this will be the backbone of the 2351 01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:26,060 of the of the pod being firehose going 2352 01:27:26,060 --> 01:27:27,280 forward on the gossip side. 2353 01:27:27,380 --> 01:27:28,000 Oh, nice. 2354 01:27:28,540 --> 01:27:28,720 Yeah. 2355 01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:30,280 So we'll talk about that next week. 2356 01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:31,060 All right. 2357 01:27:31,100 --> 01:27:31,540 Well, thanks. 2358 01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:32,300 And people, I. 2359 01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:33,120 Yep. 2360 01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:35,960 So I still haven't reopened the channel to 2361 01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:36,780 my Albi hub. 2362 01:27:37,620 --> 01:27:39,000 Sorry about that. 2363 01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:43,740 But I do have runway running from the 2364 01:27:43,740 --> 01:27:44,060 Cridler. 2365 01:27:45,300 --> 01:27:47,320 And I only see I don't know if 2366 01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:49,480 so if you sent in a key send 2367 01:27:49,480 --> 01:27:50,780 boost, I'm not seeing it. 2368 01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:54,240 So I only see one. 2369 01:27:54,340 --> 01:27:55,400 Let me just make sure I've got the 2370 01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:55,740 latest. 2371 01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:58,900 I got the key sends from from during 2372 01:27:58,900 --> 01:27:59,600 the show. 2373 01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:01,720 Oh, no, not from during the show. 2374 01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:02,840 Yeah. 2375 01:28:02,940 --> 01:28:04,440 Let me just see if anything new came 2376 01:28:04,440 --> 01:28:04,720 in. 2377 01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:10,200 OK, now I see eight eight hundred sets 2378 01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:14,080 from Macintosh at Fountain sending you everything I 2379 01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:14,840 left in my wallet. 2380 01:28:14,940 --> 01:28:15,820 Sorry, it's not a lot. 2381 01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:17,720 A note of encouragement about agents. 2382 01:28:17,940 --> 01:28:18,920 Don't sleep on them. 2383 01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:22,360 OK, I'm putting the very finishing touches on 2384 01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:24,080 my first real skill for the bots I'm 2385 01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:24,360 building. 2386 01:28:24,460 --> 01:28:26,980 The show producer bot builds notes based on 2387 01:28:26,980 --> 01:28:27,940 my topic idea. 2388 01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:30,420 The researcher bot gathers the stats. 2389 01:28:30,820 --> 01:28:32,040 It's a Bitcoin podcast. 2390 01:28:32,180 --> 01:28:33,920 So we mention a dozen or so different 2391 01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:36,500 ones in an episode, all merged and posted 2392 01:28:36,500 --> 01:28:38,620 in a private Git repo that my co 2393 01:28:38,620 --> 01:28:40,100 -hosts and I pull from for the show 2394 01:28:40,100 --> 01:28:40,360 prep. 2395 01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:41,240 It's early. 2396 01:28:41,580 --> 01:28:42,920 Bots have flaws, but this will be a 2397 01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:43,720 huge part of AI. 2398 01:28:44,100 --> 01:28:46,220 Next up is my coding bot, Steve. 2399 01:28:46,660 --> 01:28:50,360 Go podcast Steve, as in the was as 2400 01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:51,120 in the was. 2401 01:28:51,420 --> 01:28:51,680 Yes. 2402 01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:52,280 OK. 2403 01:28:53,500 --> 01:28:54,440 And that's all I have. 2404 01:28:54,500 --> 01:28:55,920 I hit the delimiter right after that. 2405 01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:58,340 So if if anyone boosted, I'm sorry, I 2406 01:28:58,340 --> 01:28:59,320 don't have it. 2407 01:29:01,740 --> 01:29:04,360 We got some PayPal's, we got the boys 2408 01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:04,920 at Buzzsprout. 2409 01:29:06,380 --> 01:29:07,240 Thousand bucks. 2410 01:29:08,100 --> 01:29:12,620 Baller shot, caller 20 is blaze only baller. 2411 01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:15,080 Keeping it alive, boys and girls of Buzzsprout. 2412 01:29:15,140 --> 01:29:16,020 Thank you very much. 2413 01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:16,680 Thank you. 2414 01:29:16,740 --> 01:29:17,060 Thank you. 2415 01:29:17,100 --> 01:29:17,440 Thank you. 2416 01:29:17,500 --> 01:29:19,160 This is, of course, value for value. 2417 01:29:19,580 --> 01:29:22,260 All this goes into maintaining the engine that 2418 01:29:22,260 --> 01:29:23,420 is the podcast index. 2419 01:29:24,140 --> 01:29:24,660 I don't know. 2420 01:29:24,660 --> 01:29:26,340 Did I did I mention that there was 2421 01:29:26,340 --> 01:29:30,780 a worked with Tom to fix an issue 2422 01:29:30,780 --> 01:29:33,360 where they said they changed their feed URL 2423 01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:37,220 format a while, like a year ago or 2424 01:29:37,220 --> 01:29:40,660 so from feeds dot buzzsprout dot com to 2425 01:29:40,660 --> 01:29:42,300 RSS dot buzzsprout dot com. 2426 01:29:42,540 --> 01:29:44,460 Oh, but the. 2427 01:29:46,580 --> 01:29:48,680 But their pod, the pod pings they were 2428 01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:50,820 sending still referenced the old feed. 2429 01:29:50,900 --> 01:29:51,660 Oh, no, URL. 2430 01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:52,200 Oh, no. 2431 01:29:52,300 --> 01:29:52,940 Host name. 2432 01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:54,600 So it still said feeds dot buzzsprout dot 2433 01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:54,800 com. 2434 01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:57,080 So we were trying to figure out why 2435 01:29:57,080 --> 01:29:59,540 their feeds were still coming into the index 2436 01:29:59,540 --> 01:30:01,960 with the wrong host name. 2437 01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:04,160 So we we finally figured out it was 2438 01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:04,680 the pod ping. 2439 01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:05,440 So he fixed it. 2440 01:30:05,500 --> 01:30:06,400 And so everything's OK. 2441 01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:07,240 That should be solved. 2442 01:30:07,440 --> 01:30:08,180 Good, good, good. 2443 01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:10,120 We love hearing that. 2444 01:30:10,220 --> 01:30:11,260 We love when it's fixed. 2445 01:30:12,060 --> 01:30:12,220 Yep. 2446 01:30:13,380 --> 01:30:13,960 Let's see. 2447 01:30:15,220 --> 01:30:16,240 Where am I? 2448 01:30:16,300 --> 01:30:17,420 I got I lost my. 2449 01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:17,960 Oh, here it is. 2450 01:30:18,100 --> 01:30:19,740 Oh, Todd Cochran. 2451 01:30:19,980 --> 01:30:20,640 Thirty dollars. 2452 01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:21,900 Oh, Todd. 2453 01:30:23,340 --> 01:30:26,580 It read it renamed from new media to 2454 01:30:26,580 --> 01:30:26,900 Todd. 2455 01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:27,920 It just says Todd Cochran. 2456 01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:31,000 So I'm going to give no reason. 2457 01:30:34,480 --> 01:30:36,360 It's a boost from the grave. 2458 01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:40,760 I'm assuming that that's autopay, that that's Rob 2459 01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:42,320 just letting that thing. 2460 01:30:42,460 --> 01:30:43,760 I'd like to know. 2461 01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:44,600 I'd like to know. 2462 01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:45,040 I would. 2463 01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:45,680 I would. 2464 01:30:45,740 --> 01:30:46,740 I wouldn't mind knowing. 2465 01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:49,440 It's kind of it's kind of it's it's 2466 01:30:49,440 --> 01:30:50,220 cool and creepy. 2467 01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:50,960 It's really kind of. 2468 01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:53,340 Yeah, it is touching. 2469 01:30:54,940 --> 01:30:56,960 Gene Liverman, five bucks. 2470 01:30:57,100 --> 01:30:57,660 Thank you, Gene. 2471 01:30:57,920 --> 01:30:58,480 Appreciate you. 2472 01:30:59,620 --> 01:31:02,300 See, Michael, Michael, why are these getting cut 2473 01:31:02,300 --> 01:31:02,500 off? 2474 01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:03,660 I think it's Michael Hall. 2475 01:31:05,140 --> 01:31:06,580 Five dollars and 50 cents. 2476 01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:08,580 Jeremy Gerds, five dollars and 50 cents. 2477 01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:10,900 And that's it for the pay pals. 2478 01:31:10,980 --> 01:31:13,800 And we got a couple of boosts here. 2479 01:31:13,980 --> 01:31:14,860 Let me sort that. 2480 01:31:15,940 --> 01:31:17,460 I've got too many emails in my box. 2481 01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:20,580 Twenty to twenty two from the ugly quacking 2482 01:31:20,580 --> 01:31:20,860 duck. 2483 01:31:20,900 --> 01:31:22,360 That's Bruce from podcast guru. 2484 01:31:22,740 --> 01:31:24,600 He said, I enjoyed your guest, Brendan. 2485 01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:25,800 Thanks for the episode. 2486 01:31:25,900 --> 01:31:26,320 Seventy three. 2487 01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:27,160 Seventy three. 2488 01:31:28,100 --> 01:31:30,080 And we got the delimiter comic strip blogger. 2489 01:31:30,340 --> 01:31:31,760 Twenty two thousand sets. 2490 01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:32,400 Boom, boom. 2491 01:31:33,740 --> 01:31:34,680 Through fountain, he says. 2492 01:31:35,580 --> 01:31:37,840 Howdy, Dave and Adam, please watch my video 2493 01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:42,480 proof that large language models actually think to 2494 01:31:42,480 --> 01:31:45,020 find this video search on YouTube channel for, 2495 01:31:45,380 --> 01:31:47,320 quote, a arch wizard, end quote. 2496 01:31:47,660 --> 01:31:49,040 Please like and subscribe. 2497 01:31:49,220 --> 01:31:51,760 Yo, CSB smash that subscribe button. 2498 01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:53,040 That's a little bit. 2499 01:31:53,140 --> 01:31:57,300 That's a little abbreviated note from apparently one 2500 01:31:57,300 --> 01:31:58,840 at one of his videos got over a 2501 01:31:58,840 --> 01:31:59,600 thousand views. 2502 01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:01,400 He said he was going viral. 2503 01:32:02,540 --> 01:32:04,240 He's usually more loquacious. 2504 01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:06,920 CSB, CSB viral, baby. 2505 01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:08,720 He's going viral, viral. 2506 01:32:09,020 --> 01:32:09,260 Yeah. 2507 01:32:09,580 --> 01:32:10,680 And that's all we got. 2508 01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:11,780 And that's it. 2509 01:32:11,820 --> 01:32:13,080 No other one else. 2510 01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:14,000 That was that's the whole deal. 2511 01:32:14,100 --> 01:32:14,380 Hmm. 2512 01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:15,560 That's the whole deal. 2513 01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:16,100 All right. 2514 01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:19,540 Well, thank you to everyone who supports the 2515 01:32:19,540 --> 01:32:20,400 the index. 2516 01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:23,060 The podcast is just a front door funnel. 2517 01:32:23,260 --> 01:32:24,700 Everything goes straight into the kitty. 2518 01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:27,080 We keep it there to keep the machines 2519 01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:28,680 running for as long as we can. 2520 01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:30,140 The kids in the kitty, baby. 2521 01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:32,160 Go to podcast index or down at the 2522 01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:32,340 bottom. 2523 01:32:32,420 --> 01:32:33,600 You see a big red donate button. 2524 01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:33,940 Hit that. 2525 01:32:33,980 --> 01:32:35,100 I'll take to the PayPal page. 2526 01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:37,560 And of course, we accept boosts, booster grams, 2527 01:32:38,300 --> 01:32:39,640 on chain lightning, you name it. 2528 01:32:39,660 --> 01:32:40,720 We're here for all of it. 2529 01:32:40,740 --> 01:32:41,840 And we really appreciate it. 2530 01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:43,560 And that will wrap it up. 2531 01:32:44,100 --> 01:32:45,740 You've got another 30 minutes to get back 2532 01:32:45,740 --> 01:32:48,360 to the office with traffic unless that is 2533 01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:49,620 that wreck is done for. 2534 01:32:50,420 --> 01:32:51,260 I don't know. 2535 01:32:51,420 --> 01:32:53,580 I'm I'm glad you mentioned that because I 2536 01:32:53,580 --> 01:32:55,280 would have forgotten and would have been like 2537 01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:55,900 pinned. 2538 01:32:56,060 --> 01:32:56,980 So I'm going to I'm going to go 2539 01:32:56,980 --> 01:32:57,620 the back roads. 2540 01:32:57,740 --> 01:32:57,980 All right. 2541 01:32:58,040 --> 01:32:59,900 You go the back roads, taking the back 2542 01:32:59,900 --> 01:33:00,200 roads. 2543 01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:01,820 Brother, thank you very much. 2544 01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:02,800 Have a great weekend, Dave. 2545 01:33:03,440 --> 01:33:03,700 All right. 2546 01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:04,280 You too, man. 2547 01:33:04,360 --> 01:33:05,360 And boardroom. 2548 01:33:05,440 --> 01:33:06,760 Have a great weekend, everybody. 2549 01:33:06,940 --> 01:33:08,640 We'll be back next Friday with more of 2550 01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:11,540 podcasting 2.0, where we will dive into 2551 01:33:11,540 --> 01:33:13,860 more of it, whatever it is, even if 2552 01:33:13,860 --> 01:33:14,360 it stinks. 2553 01:33:14,700 --> 01:33:15,420 Talk to you then. 2554 01:33:15,580 --> 01:33:16,260 Bye bye, everybody. 2555 01:33:31,890 --> 01:33:36,830 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0. 2556 01:33:36,890 --> 01:33:40,670 Visit podcastindex.org for more information. 2557 01:33:41,170 --> 01:33:42,590 Go podcasting! 2558 01:33:42,910 --> 01:33:45,450 The crickler, the crickler at work.