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podcasting 2.0 for February
19 2021, Episode 25 can't drive

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55 Oh yes, this is the Friday
I've been looking forward to

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it without power for

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a bit, you know, been

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freezing my butt off.

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You're not dead. I'm

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not dead. That's right.

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And of course, it's not because
I'm doing a podcast that I'm

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always looking forward to Friday
just because I'm doing a board

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meeting of podcasting 2.0
podcast index.org I'm out of

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curry in Austin, Texas. And in
Alabama, the man so powerful he

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controls the podcast climate my
friend on the other end.

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Crisis averted. We solve the
climate crisis. By crisis. I

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mean, the fact that Apple
doesn't have a climate category,

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I must say Dave Jones for a dude
named Ben IT admin guy. Yeah,

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right. There's a there's a
business. There's a shrewd

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business executive marketing guy
hiding under all those layers.

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No, yeah, sure.

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That's me.

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Let me tell you how I
experienced this. Now we could

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talk about my week later on.
It's not that interesting is

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just I was out of the loop. I
was really out of the loop,

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literally out of the power loop.
So then I'm studying energy

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sources and all this and so I'm
finally getting back into Okay,

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what can I check in when I could
on on the mastodon

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look at podcasting? Still a
thing is this. Yeah.

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I'm still moving. Actually. I'm
like, cool. Has anyone

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implemented lightning yet? Okay.
All right, keep going.

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And then I see this posting Oh,
do you added climate and then

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it's like, Oh, that's
interesting. And I again, I

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wasn't quite in the in the full
on mode. And then I see Cridland

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posting something, which I
immediately perceived as snark.

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I'm like, Oh, what's this? And
so there's this whole group that

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has been begging for a climate
tag. Yeah. And, and kind of hits

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me like, Oh, my, this, this is
like a huge tipping point. And

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let me just take it one step
further. Because then I was

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listening to pod land this
morning. I was listening to pod

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land when I'm taking a shower.
So perfect layouts a little bit

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longer. But, you know, and and,
and he's got chapters now and

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I'm doing what I hate the most
isn't like, Oh, I want to jump

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to the interviews with Tom Ross.
He was I don't talk about that.

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Yet, that's good.

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Oh, it was great interview, but
then the tags come up. And, and

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here's how it was presented,
which I just thought was

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amusing. You know, so here's the
controversy. These guys wanted

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that. But you always have to
kiss apples as anyone who would

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really want the climate tag, and
then who's, uh, who's the other

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host? James's co host, Sam.

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Sam said he's gonna be on we've
we're gonna have him on the show

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in about a month, I think,

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Oh, cool. Well, he says, Well,
you know, President Trump

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wouldn't want that he wouldn't
want that tag. And then Cridland

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goes, Oh, yeah. And if you ever
talked to Adam Curry don't bring

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up climate

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hadn't even entered my mind. I'm
like, Oh, my God, this is so

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polarizing. Like, this is great.
This,

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like, I'm almost completely
climate agnostic. I mean, like,

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I don't, you know, I'm, I don't
know enough about it to speak to

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it at all. And, you know, I
mean, I've got my own thoughts,

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but I don't even have enough
real confidence in it to speak,

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to speak. You know, about it as
if I know anything, but um, you

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know, but I don't really care. I
mean, like, that doesn't have to

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even like, the climate, the
climate category, I think,

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is a good idea. It's a great
idea. It's, it has nothing to do

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with climate change or anything
like that. Yeah. But here's,

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here's what became so obvious to
me. And Bless you, Tom Rossi,

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because this kind of came up in
the interview portion. Now. So I

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haven't looked too deeply into
it. But there's this whole

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initiative that wants the
climate tag and they've started

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what is it podcasters for change
or something like that and

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declare podcasters podcasters
declare, that's what is that's

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what it is. Yeah, I

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wanna I want to let me just
bring this up here first Good

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choice

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on a domain name, by the way,
because that that leaves it that

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doesn't tied to just climate,
you can declare lots of things

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like you can declare different
things in the future. It's like

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podcasters declared calm thing,
right?

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Yeah, here it is. I'm going to
put it on the show notes for a

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second. I have that they're
podcasters we've got a real true

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crime on our hands. Apple has no
climate category, but this open

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letter changes everything.

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This campaign PR

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big letters to this campaign is
for podcasters this See the

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benefit of a climate category.
So you either listen to climate

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podcasts, make them or just want
to support them. And then it

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goes as here's the problem.
Apple doesn't have a climate

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category. So it's too damn hard
for listeners to find what

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they're looking for. This open
letter will change that. Okay,

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so then when was this not mixing
up two conversations now

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probably because I was also
listening to Marty with Tales

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from the trip. But Winterbottom
Rossi comes on. And they're

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talking about all the things
that buzzsprout has implemented

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for the namespace. Right? And
now it hits me even though we've

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had Tom on the show. If you
listen to him, he has a cadence

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and a tom bruh. That very
liberal,

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yes. And what is it? Like? Just
made it an ember?

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I'm just I made it up.

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Okay, I'll go with this.

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How about this, he has a
resonance in his voice, the

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pitch, and the cadence is very
close to that of Steve Jobs. And

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I was enchanted by it. And I was
enchanted by it. Now, and it

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doesn't make sense to I thought
about pulling a clip, but you

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really gotta listen to uh, you
know, you got to listen to it

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over a couple minutes. You're
like, shit, man. It's like It's

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like a very, almost between
Steve Jobs calm how I've met him

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and Steve Jobs presenting. It's
very interesting.

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I agree with that. He had a had
a, me and Tom did a, like a zoom

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call thing. About a week and a
half ago, he was helping me kind

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of get up and get up and go and
on, on Ruby in order to do the

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web project. And so he was like,
kind of talking, talking me

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through some stuff. And yeah,
he's like, it's like calm Steve

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Jobs, I felt, I felt it made me
feel good about my lack of

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knowledge. Here's

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how good he made me feel. So I'm
listening to all the tags

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they've implemented, and have
built tools for you know, with

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with chapters, well, of course,
they are the the genesis of the

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of the transcript, but the
person tag the what have they

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got the Bose sound by sound
bites Exactly. location. And I'm

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just listening to this and like,
and his philosophy and how they

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saw it was happening. And he's
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saying tying it back to the
climate tag, is, once we have a

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market enough of a market of
apps that are implementing

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these, and I'm seeing it, I mean
to me, and I'm we're very close

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to it, but I'm seeing what hyper
catcher does, I'm seeing what

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pod verse does all, of course, a
pod friend. And I'm seeing the

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common static, yes. And I've
seen the content show up, I'm

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seeing people tweeting me
saying, Oh, you know, I use

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podcast attic. And I want this
functionality, I'm going to go

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over to buzzsprout. And right
now buzzsprout is, is the

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backbone, I daresay, of the
podcasting 2.0 revolution, they

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are providing 90,000 people with
the ability to add all of this

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content, and here is what will
happen. It only takes a few. And

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I'm hoping it's going to be NPR
and maybe it will be NPR if we

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can implement the climate tag.
It's such a small issue for them

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to promote their podcast with
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available on x, y z apps, so
that people can still enjoy

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whatever they want to on Apple
or Spotify. But any of these

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other apps will give them the
enhancement and, and I think

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they can drive that audience I
think they can and so what I was

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thinking is I want to build on
this and take it one step

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further. And I want to switch
start with this feed but I want

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to do it for no agenda, I want
to switch my feed creation to

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buzzsprout they already do more
than I can do with the freedom

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controller which is nothing but
just a lack of resources, which

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is but you know, these guys are
building the tools along with

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it. And I want to now they don't
have the value block but I want

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to put them in my value block
because they won't charge me so

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I just want to put them into a
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how that works. But they need

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a node right

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we'll give them a note that says
I'm an expert now giving people

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nodes code man give me the
Bitcoin yo I'll pay in Bitcoin

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is true.

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Which reminds me David, you need
to send us your note that day.

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David Piper killer Yeah. So that
we I can kind of see what now I

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don't want to move. I want to
keep the feed hosted. And this

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is why I also want to put them
in the value blocks, I just want

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their creation tool. So I need
to be able to get my feet out

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and then upload it to our own
system, which is also going to

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save them that shit ton of
money. I don't want it, you

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know, I can put my mp3 is on
their system, just the creation

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tool. So I need some help with
importing it, you know, will it

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still work with the community
chapters that are being done?

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Now? I think we can. In that
transition, we might be able to

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solve some other problems with
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Does that make sense? Oh, yeah,
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I think that's a great idea.
Because they've got what was

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holding it back before if they
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that you needed, like images and
the chapters, and some of that,

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but now that, you know, now that
we've got Well, if you're doing

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community chapters, though, I
don't think they did, you can

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just stick a chapter URL in
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oh, this has to be figured out.
And it's also important for

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moving forward. When someone I
mean, these types of additional

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features create enormous lock in
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the VAT and not because they're
locked in with a key and Haha,

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we have you, it's because they
have excellent tools, we still

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should make it or they I mean, I
can't tell tell them how to run

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their business. But they should
probably make it easy for people

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to migrate something somehow.
Now, back to the original point

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I'm making. We, the hosting
companies have always had their

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eye on Apple. The podcast apps,
or have developers have always

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been the sickly brother with
with the plague down below, who

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are like, oh, what are those
guys doing? What are those guys

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doing and then trying to
creating their own little world

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with enhanced audio features and
speed listening, that's actually

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been quite beneficial. Because,
you know, there's been so much

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time just to develop anything
that would be a feature that

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that autumn, that's just the
nature of it, you know, and and

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people create that what neither
of those parties considered was

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the content. So I believe you
can dry because I'm a podcaster

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I believe I can drive people to
consume my enhanced content on

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on applications and through
systems that support that. And I

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may not be able to drive
everybody, but I certainly can

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drive a lot. And I know, I know
this because when there's

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something cool happening, maybe
not necessarily with podcasting,

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people tell me because they've
heard it on some other podcast,

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it has a network effect. And I'm
already seeing this with some of

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these features that we have with
with the the chapters now.

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buzzsprout added the images.
These images are starting to

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delight people just today. I
didn't know this, but on my lock

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screen, I saw the pod land.
Image change.

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Yeah. You know, based upon the
chapter, so the audience will

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drive this and, and we're
coming, it's coming together so

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well. So I can help drive that I
have a pretty large audience.

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For the value block, you know,
there's no secret that I want to

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we already have max Kaiser, Max
and Stacy, they're already

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seeing sat streaming, but it's
mainly, I would say only from

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Sphinx. I don't man from pod
station from me, because that's

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my main pod station. podcasts
that I listened to orange pill

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podcast. But you know, we've
we've got this about ready to

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open up and and I guess what I'm
saying is be prepared, because

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we will push these guys out of
the way they're either going to

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adapt, or God knows what they're
going to do. But they're not

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going to be able to keep up.
This is going to be very easy to

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certain point. I can feel it in
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Well, the climate thing, the
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for a couple of reasons. Like I
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reasons. One was I thought it
was a good idea. And I'd love a

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climate tag because I'd like to
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pay I just I just sat through
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there's not climate but I'm

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interested in learning. Yeah.

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You know, number two, I did it
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open podcast ecosystem can
respond when you don't have to

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wait on a company to make a
decision. Exactly. And I think

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that's, that's just like, Oh,
yeah, duh. That's easy to say.

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But I think there's a nuance
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that this group had to buy a
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do an open letter and spend more
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petition and beg Apple to do

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something. Well, that exposes a
serious problem. Oh, Apple does

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not own podcasting. No company
does. And so they're for for,

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for somebody to have to go to a
private company and beg them to

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do something. doesn't make any
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mean, like, if you're, if you
want them to add a feature to

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Apple podcast app, yes, that
makes sense. But if you want

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them to add a feature into the
podcasting, XML itself, well,

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what you shouldn't exist, they
don't own that that's not

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theirs. It doesn't belong to
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podcasting as an ecosystem. So
like, they should be able to

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just instead of spending all
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this kind of stuff, should have
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podcast namespace. Hey, guys, we
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have taken like a day.

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So this, I think this is all
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don't know if it's a problem.
But I do see it as it kind of

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goes back to my mom can't use
it. You know that something is

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when someone says that I've
heard this all my life. Well, my

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mom can't use it. And I finally
come almost I did on the show,

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but I think the right answer is,
I'm sorry, man, what's wrong

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with your mom? Is she learning
disabled? Or what's going on

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with her? That's the correct
answer. But in you know, you and

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I are a little older, we've been
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years, this, this is much more
than half of most podcasters

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lives in this thing has been
around. Or they've only been

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around for half of it. I mean,
there's, there's, you know, I

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learned this during our during
our blackout here, the people

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have become so and you as an
admin know this, I've become so

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spoiled by technology, and oh,
it'll just work. It just works

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like an Etch A Sketch, just
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you know, you see the stupidity
all the time. And you know, the

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classic example being my
password, they won't accept my

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password will click the caps
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that's like a classic. But when
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people who I like my neighbors,
and people who I love my family,

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many of them could not connect
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gas stove, with anything other
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was when people say like, I
can't use my stove, because I

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can't get it lit because you
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Okay, I've been warning about
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people just think I'm a crank,
like, because I would definitely

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fall into the category of
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Okay. So like when I when I
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things, just kind of roll. But
I've been, you know, grappling

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about this for a while is the
more of what you hear in the

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business world is, oh, the young
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No, they're not right. They're
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They have lots of devices. And
they have lots of apps. But that

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is not the same thing as being
tech savvy. I mean, my mom

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downloaded Chrome. She has no
idea what how she did that or

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what she did. I mean, like that.
You can do lots of things

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without actually knowing
anything about the way it works.

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because but back then you were
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of the system to understand what

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was working underneath. Yes,

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yes. So you boot your computer
up and you get some crazy IR q

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conflict, you know, air you
need, you gotta go before you

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know it. I mean, you know, 30
minutes later, you're in a

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config dot sis file, trying to
figure out what you know, high,

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medium, low, drop me a memory
driver. And, but you actually

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have to learn something in that
process. And people kind of knew

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what that stuff was back then.
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You can't even get to that
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it's just like, I have Okay,
rebooted a few times. That

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didn't work. I guess I got to
get a new phone. Right. I mean,

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it's to that level, it's gotten
it's gotten worse. But yeah, and

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I know what you're saying about
the about that has expanded to

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like a more general tech
illiteracy is not involved with

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computers, but more just like,
even just household day to day

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So that's why my response when
you say correctly, that it

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shouldn't take more than five
minutes of these people's time

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even thinking about this, it's
because there is no literacy of

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the system. Our system is
counter to the entire concept of

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technology, which is Silicon
Valley, and you have a device

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that connects to them. The idea
of truly decentralized, isn't

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it? People can't grasp it. And
they go to the results, you

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know. So it's like, well, it's
like someone saying, well, the

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internet's not working. That's
the result. Yeah, the internet

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is not working. Or I often hear
my internet when someone says,

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my internet is not working, I've
now learned, oh, something's

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wrong with your browser. And
this is this, we see this tech

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illiteracy popping up in
Australia, with the Facebook

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banning of, of news sharing.
And, and I'm like, Oh, my God,

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people do not realize what a
browser is anymore. They only

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have apps, they don't understand
what a browser is.

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I'm glad you brought this up.
Because that that was I spent, I

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spent half the night last night
just like thinking about this

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topic and looking at articles
and just kind of getting getting

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my head around this. And I
think, I think this is, this is

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huge. Number one, I think
Facebook's making a terrible

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mistake. They this is this is a
horrible mistake you. You don't

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ever want to show people that
they can live without you.

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That's not a good decision for
somebody who is in the market

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position of dominance that they
are. If you if this goes on for

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very long. People are going to
just here's a perfect example.

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This is a see if I can find it
in this article that this guy

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says, Oh, yeah, Max looms.
Loomis, a 25 year old research

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assistant in Sydney, said he'll
revert to an old strategy to

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stay informed and set his
homepage on his web browser to a

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newspapers website.

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Wow. What a car. We just went in
a third 25 year circle. That was

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great.

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Listen to what he says. He says
it's what my dad used to do. Oh

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my goodness, everybody, we come
up on grandpa's lap. I'll tell

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you how it used to be in the old
days of the internet. Before we

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had Yahoo. We had made our own
homepage as with HTML with blink

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tags. marquee

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iframe.

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It says it's what my dad used to
do, said Mr. Loomis, who

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previously would read news and
share articles on Facebook

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multiple times a day. He says, I
think I'll reduce my Facebook

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use quite substantially. Yeah,
if your Facebook that is not

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what you want to hear. If
Facebook has miscalculated this

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situation, I think like Google,
Google's going in the opposite

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direction. You know, they're
saying, Oh, yeah, we'll pay

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people. We have mountains and
mountains of cash, we will pay

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people in order to preserve our
market position. Sure. And

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because we don't want people to
see that they can have a life

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outside of us. And Facebook is
literally so full of themselves.

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If they think that this is going
to work, they don't they don't

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realize that they don't have the
protection. So this is similar

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to like a dish network or
DirecTV having a dispute with a

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broadcast. broadcaster. Yes.

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old model. Yeah, very old model.

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But they don't have the same
protections that those guys do.

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No, no,

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it's, it's called smoking your
own dope.

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Yeah, for real? Yeah.

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I I had this list yesterday on
no agenda of what we've been, I

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would say in 2020. And then
anybody can argue the validity

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of each individual one but I
could say in 20 2021 we have

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learned about the following
corrupt institutions corrupt and

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no good and just maybe a better
word this shit How about that?

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education, teachers, teachers,
unions, the curriculum Common

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Core all of this going on in, in
higher education, politicians

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corrupt with and entwined with
China like mitch mcconnell

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swalwell but everyone up there
is a piece of crap. Nancy

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Pelosi, they're all they're all
lane. They're all corrupt the

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whole system, the
pharmaceutical, pharma the

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vaccines, you know, the whole
medical industry, everything

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that we're in this biosecurity
state insurance, health

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insurance, complete scam and rip
off me just anything about

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China. I'm pretty down on you
know, we've got the NBA NBA

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professional sports captured by
China. It's all been it's all

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been exposed. Then we get to the
stock market how with Wall

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Street bets, how long All of
this stuff is just completely

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rigged against the individual.
We learned about the energy

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markets. Now. It's not just
climate change. It's not just

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windmills. It's the secondary
markets. There's no incentive to

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protect people. It's about
making money, central banks and

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Fiat Bitcoin. I'm about to hit
55. Today 55,000 the White

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Helmets in Syria, they got an
award and it was a speaking of

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awards, Andrew Cuomo killed
people and lied about the

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numbers. Hollywood is one again,
China, we got the big tech who

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thinks that they smoking their
own dope, big agriculture is

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next. I mean, and to me, it's
like, and I said this yesterday

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on the show, it's like, no
wonder guys like Tim Poole and

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the guests he has on his show
where, like, if the government

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will do anything, and you know,
we'll do anything to get out of

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this. And he's now a little
behind, he's gonna catch up to

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us. But that's what that's what
all I think maybe that's what

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Bitcoin is about. But it's it's
all falling apart. And I think I

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know that we laugh about it. But
America Online was the end all

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be all that was it. This was
interactive computing, you had

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your email, you had your
discussion groups. So So much so

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that MTV allowed me to register
mtv.com because they had the AOL

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keyword, they weren't worried.
And then they opened up that

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little window to the browser on
the internet. And they were a

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dial up company within

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two years. To see I think the
smoking their own dope is it is

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100 is 100%. True. Like, because
these guys are too young. They

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haven't been they haven't been
in, they don't know fully how

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the system works.

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Whereas we have been to the
mountaintop.

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Yes, right? Well, let me go back
to Microsoft. They were in the

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same position. They were in the
position of of actual, like,

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Facebook is not a monopoly. I'm
sorry, they're not a monopoly.

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Is somebody who dumped who owns
an industry and the Facebook is

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not a monopoly.

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They have a duopoly with Google
on advertisements

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on advertising. Yes. So but
Microsoft, back in the 90s was

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an actual monopoly. Yeah. I
mean, like, in if you want to

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define, you know, to go down
that road, classic, classic,

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yeah, classic, well defined
monopoly. And that one of the

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most interesting things that I
heard, you know, ever that came

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out of that case, was that
somebody had told somebody who

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told Microsoft, or one of the
Microsoft's represent, you know,

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legal representation that, that
y'all just thought joke, it's

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something to the effect of y'all
just thought y'all could stay

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over there and not participate
in the game. Basically, they had

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not been lobbying, they had not
been putting the money in

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worst day in 1990. I want to say
five or six, but I'm not taking

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the company public yet. my coat,
my partner, co founder and I, we

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were hired by Microsoft to help
them come up with an Internet

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strategy. And they put us in for
four days in a room with no

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windows pizza lunches brought
in.

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Yeah. And, and they were,

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it was so obvious, they didn't
care. They didn't care at all,

435
00:28:17,700 --> 00:28:21,120
it was not interesting. Of
course, you know, they felt they

436
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:23,700
had the lock on this nasty
internet thing with the with the

437
00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:26,670
Explorer. And I think, you know,
the integration into the, into

438
00:28:26,670 --> 00:28:29,940
the OS was a very anti
competitive move. But the end

439
00:28:29,940 --> 00:28:33,900
result, and I think this was the
point that was made, maybe it

440
00:28:33,900 --> 00:28:38,730
was on pod land, is that, you
know, now years later, we have

441
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,830
Explorer, and everyone hates it
hates it, hates having to deal

442
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:47,850
with it. And it's and it's I
think it's put a negative on

443
00:28:47,850 --> 00:28:51,420
that whole company for it and
it's a bad mark for them for the

444
00:28:51,420 --> 00:28:52,470
rest of their lives.

445
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:56,250
Well, these these new younger
quote unquote monopolies don't

446
00:28:56,250 --> 00:29:00,090
understand that you can't, that
they are not big and they're,

447
00:29:00,540 --> 00:29:03,090
they're too big for their own
britches. Yeah, they haven't

448
00:29:03,090 --> 00:29:06,930
understood that they're dealing
with old power games, and old

449
00:29:06,930 --> 00:29:11,640
money games that don't give to
rats about them. Like, you know

450
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:18,150
that here's the listen to this
like this is who is this rep

451
00:29:18,180 --> 00:29:21,600
Representative David Cicilline,
a Democrat from Rhode Island. He

452
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,620
said, if it's not already clear,
Facebook is not compatible with

453
00:29:25,620 --> 00:29:30,420
democracy. threatening to bring
an entire country to its knees

454
00:29:30,450 --> 00:29:33,900
to agree to Facebook's terms is
the ultimate admission of

455
00:29:33,900 --> 00:29:39,000
monopoly power. He listened to
that language. He says it

456
00:29:39,420 --> 00:29:42,300
threatening to bring an entire
country to its knees. Do this is

457
00:29:42,300 --> 00:29:47,460
Facebook. Yeah. It's just a
website. You're not bringing the

458
00:29:47,460 --> 00:29:50,280
whole country to its knees. It
is literally just a website and

459
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,410
this other dude already said he
changed his homepage and he's

460
00:29:52,410 --> 00:29:55,560
done. He's fine. He's moving on.
Yeah, like and but I think this

461
00:29:55,560 --> 00:30:01,050
ties into something else. And
this is the I think one of the

462
00:30:01,050 --> 00:30:04,800
reasons why they want maybe
Facebook and perhaps Twitter and

463
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,930
some of these other social
medias, these social media

464
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,730
companies, maybe one of the
reasons why they are thinking

465
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,610
they're they're smoking their
own dope, and thinking they're

466
00:30:14,610 --> 00:30:19,320
too big. There, they can play at
this level. Maybe, maybe it's

467
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,710
got to do with the fact that
we've given them too much power

468
00:30:23,250 --> 00:30:27,360
over the last over the last, you
know, few years, and where they

469
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,110
can like, we're deep platforming
people. We're, you know, take

470
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:35,670
we're silencing, misinformation,
they really think that they are

471
00:30:35,670 --> 00:30:38,370
the arbiters of what, of
reality. Well,

472
00:30:38,370 --> 00:30:41,700
thank you. I haven't found a
good way to explain this yet.

473
00:30:41,700 --> 00:30:45,360
Because the only reason why deep
platforming is a thing. Now

474
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,640
there's different kinds of deep
platforming, financial deep

475
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,840
platforming is an issue. But
when it comes to taking someone

476
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,530
off of Twitter, or Facebook, or,
or YouTube, so they only have

477
00:30:55,530 --> 00:31:02,400
the trifecta. It's because of
the vanity of the users. The

478
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:08,760
users believe. First they
believe all the numbers. So when

479
00:31:08,790 --> 00:31:14,310
you know likes, and and retweets
and all this stuff, yeah, maybe

480
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:16,980
it's the right number. I don't
think so, you know, all of that

481
00:31:16,980 --> 00:31:20,610
is algorithmically driven. You
are in fact, called a user. It's

482
00:31:20,610 --> 00:31:24,060
the old joke, but you are
hooked. It's it's not a theory.

483
00:31:24,060 --> 00:31:29,010
It's, it's it's fact, there's
much admission about the the

484
00:31:29,010 --> 00:31:31,890
brain that is being manipulated
to using a lot of these systems.

485
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:38,190
And with that comes one of the
the sins man vanity. When when

486
00:31:38,190 --> 00:31:42,660
you it's almost like asking for
people to support you in value

487
00:31:42,660 --> 00:31:46,620
for value. You feel ashamed,
I'll say it I know. I mean, I

488
00:31:46,620 --> 00:31:50,220
was highly paid entertainment
guy to then say, Oh, please send

489
00:31:50,220 --> 00:31:55,320
me money, we'll kill it, no
one's gonna hire me. But when

490
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,410
you reposition your head and go,
Hey, this is valuable. Hey, you

491
00:31:58,410 --> 00:32:00,360
know, if you're, if you're a
human being, you'll send me some

492
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,960
value. That's pretty much the
pitch right there. It's not,

493
00:32:04,140 --> 00:32:07,410
it's not that hard. But it's,
it's something to get over. So

494
00:32:07,410 --> 00:32:13,830
when you realize that, hey, I
actually get engagement and have

495
00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:18,120
conversations with people on
platforms that are not really

496
00:32:18,150 --> 00:32:21,930
known or will be better
protocols that you know, aren't

497
00:32:21,930 --> 00:32:25,110
the big promoted ones, the ones
that flow through onto

498
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:28,770
television, and that's a whole
ecosystem. If you think that's

499
00:32:28,770 --> 00:32:32,940
important to you, or that all
your friends must listen to what

500
00:32:32,940 --> 00:32:36,000
you say, because they're on
Facebook, if they're interested,

501
00:32:36,060 --> 00:32:39,330
they can find you on these other
places. So it's, it's, it's

502
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,240
within ourselves, I'm agreeing
with you, it's within ourselves,

503
00:32:42,780 --> 00:32:47,040
that we have this need to be the
other 15 minutes of fame. And I

504
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,170
can say fame and all that.

505
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:56,850
Yeah. Yeah. Not that. That's
that whole idea that, that what

506
00:32:56,850 --> 00:32:59,040
happens online is reality.

507
00:32:59,070 --> 00:33:00,480
Yeah. Well, it's

508
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,740
specifically what happens in
social media is reality. That

509
00:33:04,740 --> 00:33:08,640
thing needs to crop that that
idea needs to go away. And I

510
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,600
think they, they, they are
shooting themselves in the foot.

511
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,510
If they don't roll this back
after, let's just say a week

512
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,980
that they're dead man. I mean,
they're, they're toast in that

513
00:33:20,010 --> 00:33:22,890
in that country, because people
will just find out, they'll just

514
00:33:22,890 --> 00:33:26,460
go back to what they used to do,
which was fine, too. You know,

515
00:33:26,550 --> 00:33:33,030
that that's the thing is, is
what we had what we had without

516
00:33:33,030 --> 00:33:40,260
Facebook. Let me let me say it
this way. I've got a Facebook

517
00:33:40,260 --> 00:33:43,890
account. I haven't logged into
it in probably over a year. And

518
00:33:44,430 --> 00:33:47,760
you know what, it's just fine.
Life is fine. Nothing's

519
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,940
different about my life.
Everything is just fine. This is

520
00:33:50,940 --> 00:33:58,860
not Facebook is not a reality is
just like the, the antitrust

521
00:33:58,860 --> 00:34:03,750
lawsuit against the General
Mills. And there was this big

522
00:34:03,780 --> 00:34:06,780
data thing about claiming that
General Mills was a monopoly.

523
00:34:07,230 --> 00:34:11,460
And at the time for breakfast
cereal, it was like, there was

524
00:34:11,460 --> 00:34:14,130
this lawsuit went, you know,
went on and on. And at some

525
00:34:14,130 --> 00:34:18,540
point, during the during the
case, the judge said, You know,

526
00:34:18,540 --> 00:34:22,170
I don't think this really
qualifies as a monopoly. Because

527
00:34:22,170 --> 00:34:26,970
I don't even eat cereal. He's
like, I'm kind of a sausage and

528
00:34:26,970 --> 00:34:31,020
eggs kind of guy myself. And
it's like, at some point, you

529
00:34:31,020 --> 00:34:35,640
got to step back and say, yeah,
this is not really that big of a

530
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,120
deal. Because the whole, the
whole rest of the internet

531
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:39,870
exists.

532
00:34:40,260 --> 00:34:42,900
Alright, so I'm going to
simplify this for myself,

533
00:34:42,900 --> 00:34:45,600
because I think this is what it
comes down to. And and

534
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,440
podcasting is a part of all of
what's going on now with Silicon

535
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,550
Valley, in an odd way. And this
isn't this is a story I've told

536
00:34:53,550 --> 00:34:57,150
before, but it's important to
understand the one thing, the

537
00:34:57,150 --> 00:35:02,970
one thing and it started Well, I
people weren't on. I couldn't

538
00:35:02,970 --> 00:35:05,250
get on Facebook back when
Twitter started, because I

539
00:35:05,250 --> 00:35:08,010
didn't have a.edu. So I'm not
quite sure how they did it. But

540
00:35:08,820 --> 00:35:14,100
Twitter was jack Dorsey and all
those guys. They had audio and

541
00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:18,570
audio as a podcast platform,
which was built in Flash. And

542
00:35:18,570 --> 00:35:22,530
you would be able to use a flash
like studio, which would help

543
00:35:22,530 --> 00:35:27,600
you record and I only saw a demo
of it once. But you know, it was

544
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,290
like, holy crap, and YouTube
hadn't popped up yet. So, you

545
00:35:31,290 --> 00:35:34,200
know, flash was not such a
thing, the way they were

546
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,710
presenting is very impressive.
And they also had a listening

547
00:35:37,710 --> 00:35:42,150
side to it. And the one thing
they had before, they never

548
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:45,870
launched that podcast company,
and they relaunched his Twitter.

549
00:35:45,870 --> 00:35:51,330
And so the what they had at the
time, they, they, they did the

550
00:35:51,330 --> 00:35:54,600
impossible, which is why it
didn't work. And we all remember

551
00:35:54,600 --> 00:36:00,600
the farewell because they had a
system based on RSS feeds. And

552
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,810
they were, in essence, taking
the feed and saying, okay,

553
00:36:03,810 --> 00:36:08,190
here's your TL, here's your
timeline. And you can add things

554
00:36:08,190 --> 00:36:12,000
to your timeline by following
someone. So they changed the

555
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:17,970
model from subscribe, which was
a laborious, right click Copy,

556
00:36:17,970 --> 00:36:25,380
switch, apps paste process to
subscribe to feeds. They change

557
00:36:25,380 --> 00:36:29,970
that into a centralized way to
subscribe. And this was the only

558
00:36:29,970 --> 00:36:34,560
thing that could not be fixed in
the decentralized model. Dave

559
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,010
Weiner had no idea for it, no
one had an idea for it not now

560
00:36:38,010 --> 00:36:41,880
we have some things like web
pub, which, which can function

561
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,780
quite well, for some of this
publish subscribe, but that

562
00:36:45,810 --> 00:36:50,580
that's what they had. And when
that took place, Google

563
00:36:50,580 --> 00:36:56,130
realized, Oh, this is the thing,
this is what people want, they

564
00:36:56,130 --> 00:37:00,060
want to feed. So everyone
creates a stream of feed, and

565
00:37:00,060 --> 00:37:02,940
then we can aggregate it, and
we're going to centralize it,

566
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:06,390
and oh, we better not any have.
And this is important. Because

567
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:11,040
we got it, we got to smoke our
own dope. They don't want anyone

568
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:16,500
to know about RSS, because it is
the one thing that can be used

569
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:22,500
to get rid of all of them. RSS
creating an RSS feed, you know,

570
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:26,580
there's still ways to do it. It
gives you the exact same

571
00:37:26,580 --> 00:37:30,030
functionality without the
algorithms which you could add

572
00:37:30,030 --> 00:37:34,380
in yourself if you wanted to.
And it's truly decentralized

573
00:37:34,380 --> 00:37:36,900
and, and so when it comes to
people don't know how stuff

574
00:37:36,900 --> 00:37:40,740
works, that's the genesis of
social networks is RSS, and a

575
00:37:40,740 --> 00:37:45,480
centralized subscription
mechanism. But that's it. Yeah,

576
00:37:45,870 --> 00:37:50,910
and Apple provided the same,
they had the iTunes widget. And

577
00:37:50,910 --> 00:37:54,450
and because they were and they
were trusted enough, because

578
00:37:54,450 --> 00:37:58,170
they had to send one click
centralized subscribe. That was

579
00:37:58,170 --> 00:38:00,960
the power. So if we can
replicate that, which I think we

580
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,650
already kind of are doing, it's,
you know, we're doing it in a in

581
00:38:04,650 --> 00:38:08,700
a distributed way, at the
decentralized part comes

582
00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:13,860
together on your app, and
weaker, weaker links in the

583
00:38:13,860 --> 00:38:17,820
chain, like the index, although
it's a we can replicate it, and

584
00:38:17,820 --> 00:38:20,790
we could, you know, and
eventually distributed. Yeah,

585
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:21,750
we're gonna fix that.

586
00:38:22,349 --> 00:38:24,689
We're gonna fix this, you might
like it. Yeah,

587
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:28,110
all of this could come down,
including Apple, and Spotify.

588
00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:34,860
And when you have innovative
toolmakers, like buzzsprout, who

589
00:38:34,860 --> 00:38:39,450
are really playing into, okay,
we understand the type of user

590
00:38:39,450 --> 00:38:42,180
we have, we're not going to try
and change them. But we're going

591
00:38:42,180 --> 00:38:46,920
to make a damn good output based
upon what what they want to do

592
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:47,910
with the technology.

593
00:38:48,930 --> 00:38:54,060
Because that ties back into why,
at least for me, personally, why

594
00:38:54,060 --> 00:39:02,190
I am so anti moderation within
the podcast space, is because as

595
00:39:02,190 --> 00:39:06,000
soon as you allow that moderate
that says, Listen, as you allow

596
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,500
an entity to pop up as a
moderator, you end up with

597
00:39:10,740 --> 00:39:15,240
things like Facebook, Twitter,
and you end up with some, once

598
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:16,560
you once you grant

599
00:39:16,590 --> 00:39:20,010
Well, that's the separation of
creation and aggregation. That's

600
00:39:20,010 --> 00:39:22,590
the that's the thing right
there. And an aggregator should

601
00:39:22,590 --> 00:39:25,320
ban whatever they want their
users not to see, just do

602
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,350
whatever you want. But a
provider campus shouldn't be

603
00:39:28,350 --> 00:39:31,020
banned from getting in the
system. Play.

604
00:39:32,340 --> 00:39:35,070
One, I didn't know if we're
gonna do this today as they

605
00:39:35,070 --> 00:39:40,740
play. And I'm hoping maybe
horning in on most turf here

606
00:39:40,770 --> 00:39:42,480
that brought some Malcolm X
clips.

607
00:39:42,510 --> 00:39:46,680
Oh, no, no, it's just as much my
turf as that is most. Okay. All

608
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,180
right. Malcolm X brought us
together.

609
00:39:49,020 --> 00:39:56,760
Well, I'm about 2322 or 23
speeches into Malcolm X's

610
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:04,500
catalog so far, and I can look
We say this. Malcolm X, I now

611
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:09,930
believe is like, Yes. How do I
want to describe him? He is the

612
00:40:11,610 --> 00:40:14,160
he's one of the greatest black
philosophers in American

613
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:14,640
history.

614
00:40:15,690 --> 00:40:20,100
Let me put it this way. He is
the real deal. And I'm going out

615
00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:22,140
on a limb here. But this is
stuff that Moe and I have talked

616
00:40:22,140 --> 00:40:31,080
about. Martin Luther King, Jr.
is to Malcolm X. What Greta tune

617
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:41,130
berry is, you know, to I don't
have a good a good example. But

618
00:40:41,220 --> 00:40:44,850
Malcolm X was more, or Martin
Luther King was more of a

619
00:40:44,850 --> 00:40:49,320
marketing type icon that was put
there, like a gratitude berry

620
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,550
of, you know, the for climate
change. And I know it sounds

621
00:40:53,550 --> 00:40:57,750
weird. And people who don't know
the history of Malcolm X and

622
00:40:57,750 --> 00:41:00,540
Martin Luther King, Jr. will
probably think I'm a dick. But

623
00:41:00,570 --> 00:41:03,270
you know, listen to some old
facts. And you'll learn real

624
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:06,150
quick, Malcolm and that before,
there was a whole period before,

625
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:09,300
once the Nation of Islam and
then things did change, and he

626
00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:13,110
had other influences in his
life. But early Malcolm X, mind

627
00:41:13,110 --> 00:41:16,080
blowing stuff mind blowing, and
I never learned that in school.

628
00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:17,190
I don't think you did either.

629
00:41:17,580 --> 00:41:20,250
Oh, no, no, no, to me,
especially here in the south.

630
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,970
Malcolm X was anathema. Like
Exactly. Martin Luther King

631
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,480
Martin Luther King was revered
right here. Yeah. And, and

632
00:41:27,810 --> 00:41:32,040
because he was non violence. And
that was his whole thing. And he

633
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,370
was religious. He was Christian
and that kind of thing. But you

634
00:41:35,370 --> 00:41:38,160
know, if you ever brought up
Malcolm X, it was like, Oh, no,

635
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,800
no, no, we don't wait. Like, we
just want to treat him like he

636
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:45,030
didn't exist, you know. And so
this is the literally in I'm 44.

637
00:41:45,330 --> 00:41:47,850
This is the first time I'm
hearing a lot of these Malcolm

638
00:41:47,850 --> 00:41:49,470
X. ideas. You're

639
00:41:49,470 --> 00:41:52,680
ahead of me. It wasn't until I
was 52. I mean, wait, I'm

640
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,840
56 5055.

641
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:58,799
Yeah, well, I mean, the guy's a
freaking genius. He literally

642
00:41:58,799 --> 00:42:03,029
was a genius to be able to look
at the landscape. And just

643
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:07,949
immediately identify these these
things, and then go one step

644
00:42:07,949 --> 00:42:11,369
further and come out and
actually say them, like, okay,

645
00:42:11,369 --> 00:42:12,539
so play clip to

646
00:42:13,980 --> 00:42:17,850
x. We will, I hope, get some
phone calls. But there are many

647
00:42:17,850 --> 00:42:20,310
things that I want to get out of
the way here. And I know that

648
00:42:20,670 --> 00:42:23,610
many times you have been
involved in riots.

649
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,520
At least you have been accused
of inciting a riot. There was

650
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,400
one that sprang I think in Los
Angeles, which became turned

651
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:37,500
into a very unfortunate affair.
It wasn't a riot. What the press

652
00:42:37,530 --> 00:42:41,490
initially reported as a blazing
gun battle between Muslims and

653
00:42:41,490 --> 00:42:46,980
police, after investigation
ended up being a the blazing

654
00:42:46,980 --> 00:42:51,480
guns of the police at innocent
Negros, seven of which were shot

655
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,290
down, one of which died, two of
which were brothers from

656
00:42:55,290 --> 00:42:58,650
Philadelphia here and one of
them was shot and both of them

657
00:42:58,650 --> 00:43:01,350
were shot in the back. One of
them was shot in the spine and

658
00:43:01,350 --> 00:43:04,770
is paralyzed for the rest of his
life. And the city of Los

659
00:43:04,770 --> 00:43:09,210
Angeles probably has the worst
case of human rights violation,

660
00:43:09,570 --> 00:43:13,080
civil rights, human rights
violation on its hands that any

661
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:18,660
city has ever had. And when the
public becomes acquainted with

662
00:43:18,660 --> 00:43:21,750
the facts of what happened out
there, it will look mighty bad,

663
00:43:21,810 --> 00:43:24,960
I don't think anywhere in the
history of Mississippi, Alabama,

664
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,490
and Louisiana combined. have
seven negros been shot down at

665
00:43:29,490 --> 00:43:32,430
one time, but it happened in Los
Angeles, California.

666
00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:42,900
Okay, so that that was like 1963
or four. Okay, so play clip

667
00:43:42,900 --> 00:43:43,380
three.

668
00:43:44,219 --> 00:43:46,799
So if you guys did not know No.

669
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:54,509
Clip three is no, I think you
got no matter what. So it was

670
00:43:54,509 --> 00:43:58,079
interviewed. So play clip to
Malcolm X inciting to violence.

671
00:43:58,079 --> 00:43:59,189
Okay, I'm sorry this

672
00:44:00,630 --> 00:44:03,060
couple weeks ago in
Jacksonville, Florida, young

673
00:44:03,090 --> 00:44:08,250
teenage girls were throwing
Molotov cocktails now 10 years

674
00:44:08,250 --> 00:44:11,520
ago, but what you could learn
from them is they're waking up.

675
00:44:14,730 --> 00:44:34,950
Molotov cocktails today. You
should not feel that I'm

676
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:44,430
inciting to violence. I'm only
warning. Second, you can take it

677
00:44:44,430 --> 00:44:48,480
or leave it. If you take the
warning. Perhaps you can still

678
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:53,310
save yourself. But if you ignore
it or ridicule it, well, that is

679
00:44:53,310 --> 00:44:57,570
already at your doorstep. There
are 22 million African Americans

680
00:44:57,570 --> 00:45:00,660
who are ready to fight for
independence right here. I'm

681
00:45:00,660 --> 00:45:04,170
when I say Piper independent
right here, I don't mean any non

682
00:45:04,170 --> 00:45:08,010
violent fight, or turn the other
cheek fight those days have gone

683
00:45:09,150 --> 00:45:09,570
over.

684
00:45:11,550 --> 00:45:15,570
Wow, President Trump aligned
with Malcolm X that must freak

685
00:45:15,570 --> 00:45:16,320
some people out.

686
00:45:17,609 --> 00:45:23,459
So that that clip that you just
heard, took place a few years

687
00:45:23,459 --> 00:45:27,659
before the clip Previous to
that. Mm hmm. And you can

688
00:45:27,659 --> 00:45:31,229
clearly hear, and this was he
was very clear about this his

689
00:45:31,229 --> 00:45:37,499
entire career. until his death,
he never was inciting violence.

690
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:42,359
And he said it over and over and
over again, he was saying two

691
00:45:42,359 --> 00:45:45,149
things he was saying, if you
don't recognize what's going to

692
00:45:45,179 --> 00:45:49,019
what's happening, and what's
boiling over in, in the black

693
00:45:49,019 --> 00:45:53,369
community, you're gonna you're
gonna regret it. And number two

694
00:45:53,369 --> 00:45:59,969
is, is the black population can
should defend itself, because

695
00:45:59,999 --> 00:46:03,809
the government is not defending
it. The government is not

696
00:46:03,809 --> 00:46:07,889
standing, jumping in and
defending the black population,

697
00:46:07,889 --> 00:46:10,709
and should they should be able
to do it themselves. Exactly.

698
00:46:11,219 --> 00:46:14,039
It's those those two things he
wouldn't he never incited

699
00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:17,729
violence and told people to go
out and be violent. But in the

700
00:46:17,729 --> 00:46:21,269
clip, the first clip you played,
which happened years after that,

701
00:46:21,959 --> 00:46:26,429
they were still accusing him of
inciting violence. Well, that's,

702
00:46:26,579 --> 00:46:31,079
that's what that my point is.
The the whole idea of moderation

703
00:46:31,139 --> 00:46:35,939
of having a moderator, somebody
who will silence speech. Mm hmm.

704
00:46:37,139 --> 00:46:43,319
Malcolm, if Twitter and Facebook
had existed in 1962, Malcolm X

705
00:46:43,319 --> 00:46:46,829
would have been cancelled
immediately. Yeah. Because he

706
00:46:46,829 --> 00:46:49,829
would be quote, unquote,
inciting violence, even though

707
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:53,759
he never did. And that that's
that is the you make a

708
00:46:54,210 --> 00:46:54,990
very good point.

709
00:46:55,380 --> 00:46:58,470
That's the threat of having to
have having moderation in there

710
00:46:58,470 --> 00:47:02,280
is that somebody has to make the
decision. And those that

711
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,300
person's decision making or that
group's decision making is not

712
00:47:06,330 --> 00:47:10,080
always in the best interest of
anybody except them.

713
00:47:11,699 --> 00:47:16,979
So, which is why choice is
better. Yeah, choice is always

714
00:47:16,979 --> 00:47:17,489
going to be

715
00:47:18,060 --> 00:47:22,320
was antithetical to advertising,
to have some of this stuff on

716
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,470
your platform. And nobody would
have wanted Malcolm X on their

717
00:47:25,470 --> 00:47:29,640
platform, saying that he better
get ready because it's gonna be

718
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:32,970
you know, it's stone. It was
stones yesterday. It's Molotov

719
00:47:32,970 --> 00:47:36,000
cocktails today in his hand
grenades tomorrow. Hey, like,

720
00:47:36,060 --> 00:47:36,750
who

721
00:47:36,750 --> 00:47:39,720
owns who owns those audio
recordings? You said, you were

722
00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:41,760
you. There's a collection you
were listening to?

723
00:47:42,329 --> 00:47:45,509
Yeah, I started listening to it
on an audio book. There's a

724
00:47:45,509 --> 00:47:46,469
collection on

725
00:47:46,469 --> 00:47:51,989
Audible, but then be great for a
podcast. Yeah. There's just got

726
00:47:51,989 --> 00:47:54,359
to be public domain by now.

727
00:47:54,900 --> 00:47:59,340
I think so. And I and I found a
cash this guest selling,

728
00:47:59,700 --> 00:48:04,110
basically selling like 50
something. speeches and all the

729
00:48:04,110 --> 00:48:07,080
transcripts for all of his
speeches for like, 20 bucks. And

730
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,750
I was like, Oh, yeah, here, take
my money. Cool. And I downloaded

731
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:11,100
them all as mp3 as he

732
00:48:11,099 --> 00:48:13,949
copyrighted that is the copper.
I mean, the transcripts he could

733
00:48:13,949 --> 00:48:16,649
copyright is he copyrighted the
the audio, I'm just trying to

734
00:48:16,649 --> 00:48:18,539
figure out if you could put it
on a podcast because that'd be

735
00:48:18,539 --> 00:48:19,259
dynamite.

736
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,560
Yeah, I think it would be done.
I don't know, I need to contact

737
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,890
but I think a lot of these were
like University speeches and

738
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,850
interviews on old radio shows
that don't exist anymore. I'm

739
00:48:29,850 --> 00:48:32,940
not, I don't know if any of them
would still be under copyright

740
00:48:33,870 --> 00:48:36,810
is one I can't find from Brown
University that I'm trying to

741
00:48:36,810 --> 00:48:39,720
find. And it's like, it's
supposed to be really good. It's

742
00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:44,190
from earliest like, 1961 one of
his earliest speeches. Anyway,

743
00:48:44,190 --> 00:48:48,630
that that's, I think that that,
you know, we like I said before,

744
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:51,870
we just have to our memories are
way too short. Oh,

745
00:48:53,429 --> 00:48:58,679
yes. Well, because the, the you
know, the, the the random access

746
00:48:58,679 --> 00:49:02,189
memory is continuously
overloaded with signals where we

747
00:49:02,189 --> 00:49:05,069
have trouble even finding the
backups or the cold storage.

748
00:49:05,099 --> 00:49:06,239
Like, where was it?

749
00:49:06,750 --> 00:49:11,460
Yeah, you know what we can just
we, if if the world figures out

750
00:49:11,460 --> 00:49:16,410
they can just stop social media
can stop these things. I mean,

751
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:17,820
it's really that simple.

752
00:49:18,060 --> 00:49:21,030
Well, we can it's it You're
right, it's that simple. We can

753
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:24,120
stop it Just stop it stop it set
up a little thing with you set

754
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,090
up a mastodon with your with
your family. Just stop it.

755
00:49:27,449 --> 00:49:28,229
Yeah, you know.

756
00:49:30,869 --> 00:49:33,599
I'm so passionate here. I tipped
over my coffee. It's okay.

757
00:49:34,980 --> 00:49:41,520
The See, I can tell you where,
everywhere. Okay, so you may not

758
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,090
get Malcolm X on your platform.
But I can tell you what you will

759
00:49:45,090 --> 00:49:50,910
get on your platform. And this
is okay, I gotta make Well, I

760
00:49:50,910 --> 00:49:55,500
guess I have a confession that
you know, I say that I'm

761
00:49:55,500 --> 00:49:59,370
clipping these podcasts in order
for me to

762
00:49:59,369 --> 00:50:00,809
Malcolm X Malcolm X was

763
00:50:00,810 --> 00:50:05,820
out and and Okay, not Malcolm X.
Okay, this this is this is this

764
00:50:05,820 --> 00:50:08,550
is not. So maybe Malcolm X
wouldn't have been allowed on

765
00:50:08,550 --> 00:50:14,040
these platforms and in not in
1960 you know one or today even.

766
00:50:14,250 --> 00:50:19,890
But here's what you do get with
nice content moderated brand

767
00:50:19,890 --> 00:50:21,780
aware brand safe

768
00:50:23,579 --> 00:50:24,389
package

769
00:50:24,389 --> 00:50:28,889
process. Yes, you get clip for
Charlie pre roll

770
00:50:29,099 --> 00:50:30,929
sanitized for your production.

771
00:50:31,110 --> 00:50:35,640
So if you guys did not know I
recently started the Invisalign

772
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:41,670
treatment and I think I am in
week 11. And quite honestly, it

773
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:47,250
is going pretty great. It's
better than when I had braces

774
00:50:47,250 --> 00:50:50,790
just due to the fact that I feel
so competent in my smile without

775
00:50:51,420 --> 00:50:55,380
having big brackets like I did
before when I had clear braces.

776
00:50:55,860 --> 00:50:58,950
And I feel like Invisalign is
just a super great fit and I'm

777
00:50:58,950 --> 00:51:02,370
really able to see all of the
improvement in every single

778
00:51:02,370 --> 00:51:05,880
picture I take every day because
I can just see my smile getting

779
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,270
better. If you did not know
Invisalign is the most advanced

780
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:12,120
clear aligner system and they
are so much more comfortable

781
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,780
embraces Invisalign, treatment
really lets me do what I want to

782
00:51:15,780 --> 00:51:19,590
do. I can still dance, eat
whatever foods I want, obviously

783
00:51:19,590 --> 00:51:22,530
popcorns will one of my
favorites. I can play sports,

784
00:51:22,530 --> 00:51:25,260
musical instruments, whatever I
want without any wires or

785
00:51:25,260 --> 00:51:28,410
brackets getting in the way. But
let's be honest here One of the

786
00:51:28,410 --> 00:51:31,050
best parts about having
Invisalign and not braces is

787
00:51:31,050 --> 00:51:35,370
that I can truly just eat
whatever I want. Especially for

788
00:51:35,370 --> 00:51:38,430
Thanksgiving season when I'm
going to be eating a lot of food

789
00:51:38,430 --> 00:51:42,420
and do not have time for broken
brackets. Invisalign has really

790
00:51:42,420 --> 00:51:46,020
changed my life and made me more
confident in my smile. thing

791
00:51:46,020 --> 00:51:46,380
that was

792
00:51:47,909 --> 00:51:52,979
okay, I have an impression just
for a second was horrifying. I

793
00:51:53,159 --> 00:51:57,929
she was smacking her microphone
noise make me see like the white

794
00:51:57,929 --> 00:52:04,529
stringy goo in her and it's very
ASMR turn off.

795
00:52:06,420 --> 00:52:10,500
Okay, two things. Number one,
when did it become Thanksgiving

796
00:52:10,500 --> 00:52:17,850
season? Well, Hallmark did that.
Okay. Number two, I mean, this

797
00:52:17,910 --> 00:52:22,890
does Invisalign. Did they hear
that host read in the boardroom?

798
00:52:22,890 --> 00:52:26,250
And like, oh, gosh, she nailed
it. I just have thoughts all

799
00:52:26,250 --> 00:52:28,650
around the boardroom like this.
She's she just killed it here.

800
00:52:28,679 --> 00:52:33,089
No, no, the advertising is
changed the media buyers who who

801
00:52:33,089 --> 00:52:35,489
make these deals, they're down
the line. And it's the same

802
00:52:35,489 --> 00:52:38,399
thing. All these kids, they get
it they understand how it works.

803
00:52:38,399 --> 00:52:41,999
Oh, sounds like crap to me. But
these the kids that we hired to

804
00:52:41,999 --> 00:52:44,549
do this, they know what the kids
like. And you know what, Dave?

805
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:46,469
Maybe they're right. I don't
know. I don't know the sales

806
00:52:46,469 --> 00:52:49,109
numbers. It doesn't sound
appealing to me.

807
00:52:49,650 --> 00:52:53,400
Well, I you know, I mean, I'm
just a little bit. I keep coming

808
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,820
to the show with these clips of
these of these, you know, teen

809
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,990
teenage social media influencers
and then it's starting to grow

810
00:53:00,990 --> 00:53:04,320
on me. And I'm actually starting
to like, I say that I'm just

811
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,420
clipping it for this show, but
I'm more I'm more like sickly

812
00:53:06,420 --> 00:53:07,050
fat. Oh,

813
00:53:07,050 --> 00:53:10,140
man a second. This is
interesting. If you could turn

814
00:53:10,140 --> 00:53:14,580
this, this passion of yours
into, into, you know, some

815
00:53:14,580 --> 00:53:17,370
something useful for the world.
Like, let's get these kids to

816
00:53:17,370 --> 00:53:20,910
leave Spotify and come over
where the real playground is.

817
00:53:21,540 --> 00:53:26,790
Oh, yeah, I'll make some stats.
I will let you contact her and

818
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:27,870
explain lightning to her.

819
00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:32,700
She shouldn't have to know. This
is like,

820
00:53:33,389 --> 00:53:36,659
this wasn't my secret musical
shame, which is Twain.

821
00:53:37,860 --> 00:53:40,590
I love shanaya she's still
married to Matt.

822
00:53:42,300 --> 00:53:44,520
I don't know. But she made a
comment. She made a comeback.

823
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,410
Yes. She's making albums again.

824
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,620
Yeah, I wish she was married to
MK Lang the the Def Leppard

825
00:53:49,620 --> 00:53:51,750
producer, you know, like, Oh, I

826
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:52,260
didn't know that.

827
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,180
Yeah, yes. about her.

828
00:53:54,690 --> 00:53:57,750
No, this I'm supposed to be a
metal that's supposed to be a

829
00:53:57,750 --> 00:54:00,600
metal head. All my buddies think
I'm a metal head but I like

830
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,140
Shania Twain and Rick Astley and
Bruce Hornsby.

831
00:54:05,130 --> 00:54:08,520
See I'm not I'm not. I'm not
prejudiced like that. And a lot

832
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:12,900
of people always say, Oh, you
just you just put on the you

833
00:54:13,890 --> 00:54:16,620
just put on the leather jacket.
You're not really a metal guy.

834
00:54:16,620 --> 00:54:18,780
And I totally was. Yeah, I
wasn't like

835
00:54:20,730 --> 00:54:26,460
I literally have that literally
have a Bruce Hornsby song. Right

836
00:54:26,460 --> 00:54:31,740
next to Megadeth on on my
playlist.

837
00:54:31,770 --> 00:54:37,200
Yep. I think Bruce Hornsby on a
second tonight. This is great

838
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:41,160
for podcasting. 2.0 Twain was
married to my outline the

839
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:47,160
divorce in 2010. Now and then
she got married to holy crap.

840
00:54:48,810 --> 00:54:53,220
She got married to the Swiss
dude. Okay, so she married some

841
00:54:53,220 --> 00:54:59,430
dude for the money that didn't
work. And then she now that was

842
00:54:59,430 --> 00:55:03,120
first Have no doubt she's still
married to him. Frederick tibau.

843
00:55:03,390 --> 00:55:07,560
French guy. Oh, well, let me see
her voice is a money guy.

844
00:55:07,619 --> 00:55:09,359
sounds totally different now.

845
00:55:09,810 --> 00:55:10,500
It does.

846
00:55:10,949 --> 00:55:15,449
It's like super deep. I mean, I
think we I think we have the

847
00:55:15,449 --> 00:55:21,179
same range. You and shanaya
Yeah. Do you sing Dave? No, no,

848
00:55:21,179 --> 00:55:25,319
God, no. No, you don't want that
to happen anywhere close to you.

849
00:55:26,159 --> 00:55:29,849
No. Sorry. I didn't mean to
derail us from podcasts you did.

850
00:55:30,329 --> 00:55:33,179
Sorry. We started with Malcolm X
and then do a shout out to Wayne

851
00:55:33,179 --> 00:55:36,449
at some weird way. But then I
did get a good I get did get a

852
00:55:36,449 --> 00:55:42,029
good I still had a few different
nice. Okay. All right. Let's see

853
00:55:42,029 --> 00:55:47,069
which one do I so do I say one?
Okay,

854
00:55:47,219 --> 00:55:50,189
it is going pretty great. Yeah.

855
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:54,060
That one right out right out. I
like that one. I'm gonna.

856
00:55:55,980 --> 00:55:57,150
Ready. Great.

857
00:55:57,179 --> 00:56:00,899
That's when my wife comes home.
How was your day? I think it was

858
00:56:00,899 --> 00:56:02,399
pretty great.

859
00:56:03,929 --> 00:56:08,039
This This was better than I
said. 303.

860
00:56:08,429 --> 00:56:10,859
My first I would find God. Oh,
boy.

861
00:56:12,090 --> 00:56:13,020
What have we done?

862
00:56:16,889 --> 00:56:20,879
If you want to know how to
pronounce podcast, oh, so for?

863
00:56:21,810 --> 00:56:23,010
Oh, geez. Hold on a second.

864
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:25,830
Yes, that's right. Yeah.

865
00:56:28,949 --> 00:56:30,599
That's how you do it. Yeah.

866
00:56:33,210 --> 00:56:36,090
Kim, is anything going to get us
back on track here?

867
00:56:36,119 --> 00:56:40,049
Yeah. Well, the only thing I
could suggest to help us is to

868
00:56:40,049 --> 00:56:42,239
ask you what the hell went on
this week? Did it? What did I

869
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:47,609
miss? I saw. Because we were on
our break with with namespace

870
00:56:47,609 --> 00:56:51,239
we're taking a little moment
here for free for people to

871
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,239
start implementing some stuff.
And what am I even doing?

872
00:56:55,409 --> 00:56:59,429
Now? It's time for some hot
namespace talk.

873
00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:02,339
What's your location person?

874
00:57:06,750 --> 00:57:12,900
Yeah. Hey, Jennifer, Dave,
Jennifer said, said that the

875
00:57:12,900 --> 00:57:16,920
category stuff was hot. And I
was like, I saw that too. But

876
00:57:17,010 --> 00:57:23,850
for real, though, like, I like
the categories that we have. I

877
00:57:23,850 --> 00:57:27,600
think they're I like the idea of
non hierarchical categories.

878
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,080
Because you can in my example
was, you know, like, climate,

879
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,910
news, climate, politics, right.
You don't have to be dependent

880
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:36,780
on that. So then,

881
00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:38,819
like climate sports?

882
00:57:38,969 --> 00:57:45,179
Yeah. Yeah. And so it but then
in this was set up, kind of

883
00:57:45,179 --> 00:57:51,329
jokingly, but it's true. You
could do role playing games role

884
00:57:51,329 --> 00:57:53,369
playing sex. I mean, like,

885
00:57:54,060 --> 00:57:54,600
yeah,

886
00:57:55,050 --> 00:57:58,410
I mean, like these things, you
don't necessarily make, mix and

887
00:57:58,410 --> 00:58:04,440
match, you know, in ways that we
might predict. So.

888
00:58:04,860 --> 00:58:08,970
So how, how many do we have now?
How many categories?

889
00:58:10,409 --> 00:58:12,329
There's like, 111.

890
00:58:12,329 --> 00:58:15,569
Yes, right. That's 117 or
something? I saw a number. Yes.

891
00:58:15,569 --> 00:58:18,749
I'm like that. So what's the
process when another great one

892
00:58:18,749 --> 00:58:22,769
comes along? Just we just add
it.

893
00:58:23,310 --> 00:58:24,870
Yeah. Just make sure

894
00:58:24,929 --> 00:58:27,659
you stick it in.

895
00:58:27,780 --> 00:58:29,400
Just attempt but we'll stick it
in.

896
00:58:30,810 --> 00:58:34,770
Yeah, we just say like a, does
anybody else think that's a good

897
00:58:34,770 --> 00:58:36,540
idea? Yeah. Okay. It's kind of

898
00:58:36,929 --> 00:58:39,659
like a day. That's perfect. It's
nothing wrong with that. I mean,

899
00:58:40,049 --> 00:58:43,049
I'm sure there's some linguistic
parameters that someone could

900
00:58:43,049 --> 00:58:47,459
put around it. But maybe not. I
mean, I mean, Bitcoin, for

901
00:58:47,459 --> 00:58:51,089
instance, where would that fall
under Finance? crypto,

902
00:58:51,210 --> 00:58:54,750
we have a crypto tag. We don't
but we need one. Yeah, seems

903
00:58:54,750 --> 00:58:57,960
like it. There's not one in
Apple podcasts unless somebody

904
00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:59,790
wants to go make a website and
beg Apple to

905
00:59:01,380 --> 00:59:02,880
come over here. We'll stick it
in.

906
00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:07,649
Tell me how you want to go about
it. Don't do that as your PR

907
00:59:07,679 --> 00:59:08,339
Come over here.

908
00:59:09,810 --> 00:59:13,200
podcasting. 2.0 Come over here.
We'll stick it in.

909
00:59:15,690 --> 00:59:16,620
God no.

910
00:59:18,210 --> 00:59:22,320
This is this is it, man. This is
our slogan. podcasting. 2.0 will

911
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:27,150
stick it in. I think that's it.
Write that down? That's Oh,

912
00:59:27,179 --> 00:59:29,129
yeah. did take notes. Take
notes.

913
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:36,930
Is it podcasting? I just got
started in 2.0. Comma. Stick it

914
00:59:36,930 --> 00:59:37,320
in.

915
00:59:39,420 --> 00:59:40,230
Now, I think,

916
00:59:41,579 --> 00:59:45,539
man, I think I think maybe we
should work on that. Maybe chat

917
00:59:45,539 --> 00:59:50,069
chapter should be a bigger that
should be in phase three.

918
00:59:50,190 --> 00:59:51,810
But chapters. Yeah,

919
00:59:52,140 --> 00:59:55,290
I mean, I'm not sorry. No.
categories, categories yet

920
00:59:55,290 --> 00:59:57,570
categories. I don't know. What
do you think?

921
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:03,030
I like the I know I like the
idea. Do people know when if

922
01:00:03,030 --> 01:00:05,820
someone sets up a website like
that? It's like, oh, man, I feel

923
01:00:05,820 --> 01:00:10,350
bad for you. We just stuck it in
for you. Same with NPR. By the

924
01:00:10,350 --> 01:00:14,040
way, seasons, how are we on
seasons? Is that all done? Yes.

925
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:18,600
No. who's supporting it on the
on the buzzsprout? No doubt. No,

926
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:18,930
no, I

927
01:00:18,930 --> 01:00:22,050
don't think anybody's will be
MPR is the one that asked for

928
01:00:22,050 --> 01:00:24,120
it. So they're going to be the
first ones to do it. Probably.

929
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:24,450
But

930
01:00:24,900 --> 01:00:27,870
one, Stacey, yeah, no, man, we
put it

931
01:00:28,530 --> 01:00:30,090
loose. We stuck it in for you.

932
01:00:32,250 --> 01:00:34,200
We gave you what you want. Make
it happen.

933
01:00:35,909 --> 01:00:40,169
Just have one show. Tell your
listeners, you can listen to it

934
01:00:40,289 --> 01:00:43,469
with apps from new podcast.
apps.com.

935
01:00:45,780 --> 01:00:49,980
No, I think like, we, I don't
know, we when we come back from

936
01:00:49,980 --> 01:00:53,940
hiatus, or whatever on the on
the namespace. Why don't we just

937
01:00:54,300 --> 01:00:55,830
why don't we do cat categories?

938
01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:00,210
Okay, so where are we on
lightning? Because I, I think

939
01:01:00,540 --> 01:01:03,930
I'm a little behind on that.
Because I haven't seen this is

940
01:01:03,930 --> 01:01:06,780
kind of the interesting. One of
the interesting things of a free

941
01:01:06,780 --> 01:01:10,350
open source software project
like this. It I don't know what

942
01:01:10,350 --> 01:01:15,480
people are doing. I look at the
questions they're asking. Like,

943
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,720
yeah, maybe is someone's at this
point or that point? Do you have

944
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:22,380
any any idea if anyone's having
any success with the Ellen pay

945
01:01:22,380 --> 01:01:23,130
integration?

946
01:01:24,030 --> 01:01:31,350
I don't I know. Nope. I know,
Martin's working on it. And

947
01:01:31,410 --> 01:01:32,820
that's all I know about on the

948
01:01:32,909 --> 01:01:35,699
market showed a couple of
screenshots last week. I was

949
01:01:35,699 --> 01:01:36,449
like, Oh, yeah.

950
01:01:36,660 --> 01:01:41,160
Nice. Well, you know, we've been
talking to Roy ever breeze to

951
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:42,960
getting them close. They're
getting close.

952
01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:45,869
Yeah, that's gonna be super
interesting, because this will

953
01:01:45,869 --> 01:01:50,579
be. So right now we have these
different implementations. And

954
01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:54,119
some have a dream about people
working together. I know. It's

955
01:01:54,119 --> 01:01:58,649
crazy. But so Sphinx, they had
the whole infrastructure and

956
01:01:58,649 --> 01:02:03,899
they added podcasting. Then we
have a number of podcast apps,

957
01:02:04,499 --> 01:02:12,329
web apps, or otherwise. We're
extensions, etc. that are adding

958
01:02:12,329 --> 01:02:17,399
it in. But they're really
podcast app developers. And then

959
01:02:17,399 --> 01:02:20,969
we have a wallet developers,
this is a third category, even

960
01:02:20,969 --> 01:02:25,949
though you could say Sphinx is
is also a wallet. But breeze

961
01:02:25,979 --> 01:02:30,059
presents themselves as a wallet.
And they are integrating it with

962
01:02:30,059 --> 01:02:33,599
podcasting. And that and so from
what I've seen, and I think for

963
01:02:33,599 --> 01:02:37,139
a you've seen, they are trying
to do a proper podcast app, but

964
01:02:37,139 --> 01:02:41,219
I have no idea. if they'll have
chapters or transcripts. I mean,

965
01:02:41,219 --> 01:02:43,619
to me, I'll bet you they come up
pretty standard, just getting

966
01:02:43,619 --> 01:02:45,989
the lightning stuff running,
because they're doing the whole

967
01:02:46,229 --> 01:02:49,229
node back end. I think they're
working on a podcast or

968
01:02:49,229 --> 01:02:49,919
solution.

969
01:02:51,450 --> 01:02:56,820
Yeah, I think it's gonna be
interesting to see what all

970
01:02:56,820 --> 01:03:00,150
these things look like. Because
we mean, they mean, you were

971
01:03:00,150 --> 01:03:02,730
saying at the beginning, it was
going to be much easier for a

972
01:03:02,730 --> 01:03:05,100
wallet app to include podcasting
than a podcasting.

973
01:03:05,130 --> 01:03:07,260
Yeah, I'm kind of coming back
from that. I don't think that

974
01:03:07,260 --> 01:03:08,040
was correct.

975
01:03:08,250 --> 01:03:11,910
I am too, as well. Now that I
think Ellen, Ellen pay leveled

976
01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:12,690
the playing field. Yeah,

977
01:03:12,690 --> 01:03:13,950
I did. Definitely.

978
01:03:14,460 --> 01:03:17,430
Because at the beginning, it was
going to be too difficult. I

979
01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:20,580
mean, riding a lightning
compatible wallet app. I mean,

980
01:03:20,580 --> 01:03:22,170
God, that's not easy. No.

981
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:26,970
Well, it's especially. I mean,
there's all the stuff, you know

982
01:03:26,970 --> 01:03:29,730
that, especially when you're
talking about key sin, you know,

983
01:03:29,730 --> 01:03:33,930
then you do have to have proper
channels channel management. And

984
01:03:33,930 --> 01:03:38,190
but but I like it, because it
shows where the value is. And

985
01:03:38,310 --> 01:03:42,060
oh, this is what we need to talk
about the splits the 100%, the

986
01:03:42,060 --> 01:03:46,170
fee thing on top, because I
think we're getting to a very

987
01:03:46,170 --> 01:03:50,190
good, a very good place where we
need price discovery, you know,

988
01:03:50,190 --> 01:03:58,170
what does it cost for, for a
podcast app to to do this in

989
01:03:58,170 --> 01:04:02,010
conjunction with lm pay? So what
is how does lm pay make money?

990
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:06,690
How do you discover price on
that? How do we do that with

991
01:04:06,690 --> 01:04:12,210
breeze who are giving, you know,
a full node, almost, I think a

992
01:04:12,210 --> 01:04:17,610
full node setup with channels
and liquidity and everything

993
01:04:17,610 --> 01:04:23,880
kind of built in and a way to
purchase BTC, from Fiat. So they

994
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:26,490
need to have some kind of fee
structure to make to make it

995
01:04:26,490 --> 01:04:32,070
work for them. And I think I
think some of the discussion

996
01:04:32,070 --> 01:04:35,730
that I saw about the splits and
the fees was moving in a very

997
01:04:35,730 --> 01:04:39,210
good direction. And I've kind of
let some barriers down. I'm not

998
01:04:39,210 --> 01:04:44,280
ashamed for us to say, Alright,
it's gonna cost this much in a

999
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:48,390
fee to use this app. Yeah, and
if you don't like it, you can

1000
01:04:48,390 --> 01:04:51,810
use another app, or you know, or
set your value slider to zero,

1001
01:04:52,110 --> 01:04:56,220
or whatever. I think we need
that when we shouldn't be

1002
01:04:56,220 --> 01:05:00,900
bashful. And if Bree says Oh
shoot, we need 3% On top or

1003
01:05:00,900 --> 01:05:04,290
whatever it is, because they've
got liquidity. I mean, when you

1004
01:05:04,290 --> 01:05:07,950
open a channel, you're locking
up money. You're locking out

1005
01:05:07,950 --> 01:05:10,470
money for someone who wants to
use it for free that

1006
01:05:10,500 --> 01:05:14,070
that's not gonna fly. And Roy's
article about inbound liquidity

1007
01:05:14,070 --> 01:05:16,590
was outstanding. Yes, I

1008
01:05:16,590 --> 01:05:18,120
should add that in the show
notes.

1009
01:05:18,510 --> 01:05:24,150
Yeah, yeah. Cuz then, like I
never saw it from his from that

1010
01:05:24,150 --> 01:05:27,060
perspective before because it
always seemed like an annoyance.

1011
01:05:27,420 --> 01:05:29,790
But when he related act, you're
like, Oh, my God, this is really

1012
01:05:29,790 --> 01:05:33,240
the way the whole thing works.
This is really the key to the

1013
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,190
whole system is inbound
liquidity.

1014
01:05:35,340 --> 01:05:38,400
Yeah, it's lightning economics,
How I Learned to Stop Worrying

1015
01:05:38,490 --> 01:05:40,320
and Love inbound liquidity.

1016
01:05:41,099 --> 01:05:44,459
Yeah, great, great, long, long
article, but great.

1017
01:05:44,490 --> 01:05:47,220
Putting it in the show notes is
very, very good to read.

1018
01:05:47,670 --> 01:05:51,600
But, you know, I think I think
you're right. And I think there

1019
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:57,840
needs to be a market. price
discovery market flexibility

1020
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:02,340
when it comes to that. I mean,
like, you know, if, I mean,

1021
01:06:02,670 --> 01:06:06,390
let's just say I'm an app
developer, and I have a killer

1022
01:06:06,570 --> 01:06:09,720
podcast app. I mean, like, it's
just, you know, it's, it's

1023
01:06:09,780 --> 01:06:12,570
awesome that you should be able
to charge extra for it. Yeah,

1024
01:06:12,570 --> 01:06:17,220
man. 5%. Yeah. I mean,
literally, I mean, it will pay

1025
01:06:17,220 --> 01:06:17,340
it

1026
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,710
or have some other option. I
mean, that that's all going to

1027
01:06:19,710 --> 01:06:25,050
come into play. Yeah. But yeah,
the whole idea of free is over

1028
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:29,670
is that that will not work.
It's, there's no freemium model.

1029
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:33,780
Well, I guess, technically, you
could, but it's unnecessary. And

1030
01:06:33,780 --> 01:06:38,700
I've been living with with as a
consumer and a, as a listener,

1031
01:06:38,700 --> 01:06:43,560
and as a podcaster. I'm
delighted. I'm getting maybe two

1032
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:48,030
bucks a day now. And so what is
that? That's from swings people?

1033
01:06:48,030 --> 01:06:52,410
And, and who knows what else is
do I mean, there's, there's some

1034
01:06:52,410 --> 01:06:55,950
people out there and he'll get
pod station. And I probably

1035
01:06:55,950 --> 01:06:56,910
spend about

1036
01:06:58,349 --> 01:06:59,129
I don't know,

1037
01:07:00,329 --> 01:07:05,309
I, I have my value slider high.
So I'm, I'm at 100 SATs a

1038
01:07:05,309 --> 01:07:09,899
minute, tell you I'm sitting at
a couple bucks a day for for

1039
01:07:09,899 --> 01:07:11,489
each podcast that I listened to,

1040
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:15,360
yeah, I spend probably a buck or
a buck 50 a day in that. And I

1041
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:20,070
think in to give that
perspective. Before we started

1042
01:07:20,070 --> 01:07:23,640
this thing, I was spending zero.
Yes, precisely,

1043
01:07:23,699 --> 01:07:27,149
I look at that number go, that's
too, and we have almost nothing

1044
01:07:27,149 --> 01:07:30,599
in place. So I just in my head,
I go up next time I look at it,

1045
01:07:30,599 --> 01:07:33,479
that's going to be times 10.
Yeah, and the next time I look

1046
01:07:33,479 --> 01:07:34,709
is gonna be times 100.

1047
01:07:36,090 --> 01:07:40,290
So I think that a couple of
things need to happen. And this

1048
01:07:40,290 --> 01:07:45,060
is going to help a few different
players here. Number one, we

1049
01:07:45,060 --> 01:07:48,300
need to have, we need to have
the custom record field in there

1050
01:07:48,300 --> 01:07:53,700
so that we can handle a couple
of different scenarios that

1051
01:07:53,700 --> 01:07:55,380
people are facing for in
reality,

1052
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:59,280
we had we had a spec in start,
or we discussed that I think

1053
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:03,390
about how we provide information
along with the payment. Yeah,

1054
01:08:03,450 --> 01:08:06,330
okay. Yeah. So yeah, start that.
Yeah,

1055
01:08:06,329 --> 01:08:09,149
we get it, we need to do that.
And the other part of that is,

1056
01:08:11,099 --> 01:08:15,539
we need to, I think we need to
adjust the way the splits are

1057
01:08:15,539 --> 01:08:18,659
calculated. And I don't think
it's going to necessarily break

1058
01:08:18,659 --> 01:08:23,189
anything, if I understand it,
right. And so I think a few

1059
01:08:23,189 --> 01:08:26,759
people suggested going and going
away from a 100%, split

1060
01:08:26,759 --> 01:08:31,529
breakdown, and splitting it by
percentage, and just instead go

1061
01:08:31,529 --> 01:08:35,609
into, into the concept of
shares. And so you just say, the

1062
01:08:35,609 --> 01:08:39,959
split each speech value
recipient split does not is not

1063
01:08:39,959 --> 01:08:44,639
a percentage of 100, that needs
to calculate back to 100.

1064
01:08:44,999 --> 01:08:49,439
Instead, it's just taken as, as
a just an integer, just a number

1065
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:54,689
that represents share of the
total. And so, you know, it can,

1066
01:08:54,689 --> 01:08:57,749
the numbers can stay roughly the
same as they are in percentages.

1067
01:08:58,259 --> 01:09:01,199
And it won't make much of a
difference. But it gives you

1068
01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:03,629
more flexibility, so that you
don't have to be constantly

1069
01:09:03,629 --> 01:09:06,239
adjusting calculations and
making because people are going

1070
01:09:06,239 --> 01:09:09,659
to screw up people are gonna
say, if somebody puts a value

1071
01:09:09,659 --> 01:09:12,989
block in with five people in it,
they're gonna make a mistake,

1072
01:09:12,989 --> 01:09:16,889
and it's not going to add up to
100. And it just, it's too

1073
01:09:16,889 --> 01:09:20,009
rigid. And there needs to be
flexibility there.

1074
01:09:20,070 --> 01:09:25,170
So you so if the payment,
whatever the payment is, each

1075
01:09:25,170 --> 01:09:28,680
share is just the percentage of
that payment. And we don't worry

1076
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:30,270
about if it's 100% or not.

1077
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,120
Yeah, right. You don't worry
about if it all totals up to

1078
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:33,870
100%.

1079
01:09:34,170 --> 01:09:38,760
Now, I agree. I think that's the
way to go. Now the fee. I like

1080
01:09:39,570 --> 01:09:40,830
how does that work out?

1081
01:09:41,670 --> 01:09:44,880
Yes. So that just tells and we
and we're already putting that

1082
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:49,170
in the API returns. So that that
just says so for us. If a

1083
01:09:49,170 --> 01:09:54,120
podcast app is using us to get
the day information, it would

1084
01:09:54,150 --> 01:09:57,270
return the value block and then
we would be in there as an extra

1085
01:09:57,270 --> 01:10:03,450
split. But you know, like If
you're having to say this, this

1086
01:10:03,450 --> 01:10:06,840
is part of the issue of trying
to try to adjust the 100%. And

1087
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:11,130
all that stuff's too hard. So we
go in there with with a one, our

1088
01:10:11,130 --> 01:10:15,300
split is one, which would
represent 1%. But it but it's

1089
01:10:15,300 --> 01:10:20,040
got the typeface got the fee
moniker in there that lets the

1090
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:24,630
app know that we're not getting
up or we're not getting a, a

1091
01:10:24,780 --> 01:10:30,960
share of the of the of the
total, we're getting a

1092
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:36,090
percentage off the top. And so
that says, you know, we have,

1093
01:10:36,870 --> 01:10:39,780
you'll go ahead and go ahead and
calculate all these splits,

1094
01:10:39,780 --> 01:10:42,750
that's fine, like you would
normally do it. But before you

1095
01:10:42,750 --> 01:10:46,980
do that, anything that's listed
as a fee, you take that out

1096
01:10:46,980 --> 01:10:52,020
first. Okay, and send those keys
and payments, and then you and

1097
01:10:52,020 --> 01:10:56,220
then you do the splits. So that
would apply for, for instance,

1098
01:10:56,220 --> 01:10:59,730
for like bus route, when we put
you know, bus route into our

1099
01:10:59,730 --> 01:11:01,380
block, we would put them in as a
fee.

1100
01:11:01,829 --> 01:11:06,779
Right, but then that that fee
comes from the listener, in

1101
01:11:06,779 --> 01:11:09,539
addition to the payment and the
splits.

1102
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:13,950
It could go either way. I mean,
you could go in addition to or

1103
01:11:13,950 --> 01:11:17,220
it could be, you know, taken out
of the total. I don't know how I

1104
01:11:17,220 --> 01:11:18,570
don't know what the right answer
is their

1105
01:11:20,010 --> 01:11:23,130
transparency and surfacing of
this information is the key.

1106
01:11:24,150 --> 01:11:26,640
Yeah. And I think what I'm going
to do to make that happen is I

1107
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:31,290
think I'm going to go into the
namespace repository and make a

1108
01:11:32,220 --> 01:11:35,760
value directory and just begin
to build the documents for this

1109
01:11:35,790 --> 01:11:38,640
so that everything is explained.
Right now. It's just sitting

1110
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,610
there as a tag proposal. Right,
right. And there's not enough

1111
01:11:41,610 --> 01:11:44,850
information. There needs to be
more in there.

1112
01:11:44,910 --> 01:11:48,630
I know you're working on that.
And I just want as a as a side.

1113
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:53,760
I really like what Brian of
London made for his his Boise

1114
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:56,460
calling kind of because his
share management tool for the

1115
01:11:56,460 --> 01:11:59,520
feed, which I guess the
equivalent of podcaster

1116
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:00,510
wallet.com.

1117
01:12:01,199 --> 01:12:02,009
Yeah, yeah,

1118
01:12:02,039 --> 01:12:05,069
that look nice. I think he has
interesting ideas there.

1119
01:12:05,789 --> 01:12:08,579
Yeah, he says, He says, He says,
he's, I'm a crappy program or

1120
01:12:08,579 --> 01:12:12,059
not. And No, he's not. And he's,
he's got, he's doing all this

1121
01:12:12,059 --> 01:12:16,289
stuff. He's got great ideas. And
may or may not, I think that his

1122
01:12:16,289 --> 01:12:19,049
the thing that he's seen, the
stuff he's posting so far, looks

1123
01:12:19,229 --> 01:12:20,219
wonderful. Yeah.

1124
01:12:20,820 --> 01:12:25,440
And, and so you are working on,
I guess, in tandem with

1125
01:12:25,440 --> 01:12:29,400
everybody else on podcaster
wallet.com.

1126
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:33,930
Yeah, and I've done a quite a
bit on that this week. And we

1127
01:12:33,930 --> 01:12:37,830
got Graham overvoltage, I sent
him a test, I created a test

1128
01:12:37,830 --> 01:12:42,000
feed for him last night to, to
test their integration. So the

1129
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:45,990
idea here is going to be that,
when we get this working, is

1130
01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:48,090
that you'll have you'll go into
podcaster wallet, and when you

1131
01:12:48,090 --> 01:12:52,950
claim your, your podcast, it'll
come up and it'll give you three

1132
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:58,530
options, create a Sphinx node,
create a voltage node, or add

1133
01:12:58,530 --> 01:13:01,350
your own custom node. So if you
have, if you're wanting to go,

1134
01:13:01,590 --> 01:13:04,290
if you're wanting to just live
in Sphinx, you would go that

1135
01:13:04,290 --> 01:13:07,260
route, if you know, they're,
they're still having some

1136
01:13:07,530 --> 01:13:11,190
struggles with node
availability, but let's just say

1137
01:13:11,190 --> 01:13:13,140
in the future, when they get all
that hammered out, that'll

1138
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:16,440
that'll be an option for volt,
the voltage option will be just

1139
01:13:16,440 --> 01:13:18,720
basically spin up, you overload

1140
01:13:19,290 --> 01:13:22,230
the node both spin up and give
you channels and liquidity, or

1141
01:13:22,230 --> 01:13:23,850
is that not in the beginning?

1142
01:13:24,060 --> 01:13:26,310
Not sure yet, during testing,
well, what

1143
01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:32,250
I want to do is, we should talk
to Graham about it. So when you

1144
01:13:32,250 --> 01:13:36,150
spin up a node and you put BTC
on it, autopilot will start to

1145
01:13:36,150 --> 01:13:42,000
open stuff up, and so you'll get
outbound. But for inbound, if we

1146
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:46,170
could just get a ping, I mean,
part of the beauty of podcast

1147
01:13:46,170 --> 01:13:49,470
index as a community resource is
we should be able to use some of

1148
01:13:49,470 --> 01:13:55,020
our some of our funds to open up
liquidity to podcasters and

1149
01:13:55,020 --> 01:13:58,320
we'll give them good routing
because the you know, our nodes

1150
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:00,840
have been been around for a bit
now and we've got some

1151
01:14:00,870 --> 01:14:04,410
throughput and we make at least
10 satoshis a day. I'm

1152
01:14:04,410 --> 01:14:05,040
forwarding

1153
01:14:06,450 --> 01:14:10,380
10 whole sets Wow. Yeah,
sometimes that's a great idea

1154
01:14:10,380 --> 01:14:14,280
though. That's almost like us
acting as almost like a loop for

1155
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:14,670
the

1156
01:14:14,820 --> 01:14:17,400
Exactly, exactly. For podcasters

1157
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:18,330
to come online. Yeah,

1158
01:14:18,420 --> 01:14:21,330
I mean, so that's why I was
surprised because I've been

1159
01:14:21,330 --> 01:14:26,370
managing our channels with a
Sphinx with with Paul for a

1160
01:14:26,370 --> 01:14:29,580
while now you know, it's like,
okay, you know, I make sure

1161
01:14:29,580 --> 01:14:32,220
we've got enough liquidity to
inbound from them and make sure

1162
01:14:32,220 --> 01:14:36,180
we've got stuff going back to
them and in turn, I make sure

1163
01:14:36,180 --> 01:14:39,360
that you've got routing to your
node i put out I mean, I've been

1164
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:43,020
adding these these channels to
everyone that I've helped bring

1165
01:14:43,020 --> 01:14:45,270
up online or that I know of
everyone's online

1166
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:48,960
so yeah, opened up one to john
chichi and yeah,

1167
01:14:48,990 --> 01:14:53,520
yeah, so this it's that's just
great architecture. That's just

1168
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:54,750
really gonna help us a lot.

1169
01:14:55,140 --> 01:14:57,840
That would be suit that would be
super cool if they could just

1170
01:14:57,870 --> 01:15:02,340
like send some bt it fire The
nodes, send some BTC and then

1171
01:15:02,340 --> 01:15:07,770
ping us and have that channel
open. And then in the last step

1172
01:15:07,770 --> 01:15:11,940
in that link is they will call
back to our API with the new

1173
01:15:11,940 --> 01:15:12,600
node ID.

1174
01:15:14,790 --> 01:15:16,740
Slick. Well, we can we can do
that all with

1175
01:15:16,740 --> 01:15:20,490
a macaroon in that Korea? Well,
no, I mean, that part, that last

1176
01:15:20,490 --> 01:15:23,220
part, we had a call back, that
stuff's that should already be

1177
01:15:23,220 --> 01:15:24,210
working where to get that?

1178
01:15:24,540 --> 01:15:27,570
Right. But I mean, open opening,
we can get a ping from the

1179
01:15:27,570 --> 01:15:32,130
index. And you can you know,
with a macaroon you can the your

1180
01:15:32,130 --> 01:15:36,750
systems there could open up a
channel that we just just you're

1181
01:15:36,750 --> 01:15:39,840
just talking to lm D is just
another API, he said with his

1182
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:41,010
developer hat on.

1183
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:44,400
No, I don't see why that
wouldn't work at all. Yes. Yeah.

1184
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,980
And it's just an Ellen sale,
aka, man. scriptable.

1185
01:15:46,980 --> 01:15:48,840
Money, baby. Again,

1186
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:53,700
I mean, yeah, that's, that's,
that's, that's the stuff right

1187
01:15:53,700 --> 01:15:53,940
there.

1188
01:15:53,970 --> 01:15:58,860
Right. Hey, speaking of before
we start spending this money on

1189
01:15:58,860 --> 01:16:01,770
opening channels. Let's thank
some people who, who sent us

1190
01:16:01,770 --> 01:16:05,760
some. Yeah, yeah, because this
is channel money. Channel money

1191
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:09,420
is really jam on money isn't a
value for value podcast, the

1192
01:16:09,420 --> 01:16:14,220
whole project is value for
value. The way it works is you

1193
01:16:14,220 --> 01:16:17,280
support the project if you get
any value out of it. That could

1194
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:23,430
be from podcast index.org from
podcast, index dot social. From

1195
01:16:23,430 --> 01:16:26,190
this podcast from the whole
movement, your listener, you're

1196
01:16:26,190 --> 01:16:29,610
a developer, you're someone who
cares you'd like freedom, you

1197
01:16:29,610 --> 01:16:32,790
want to support it all We asked
you to give us your time, your

1198
01:16:32,790 --> 01:16:36,960
talent, your treasure, either
one or all three, that everyone

1199
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,510
who is working on this has the
first two covered and a lot of

1200
01:16:39,510 --> 01:16:43,350
them bring come in on the third.
And we have a big red Donate

1201
01:16:43,350 --> 01:16:46,290
button that podcast index.org
can also send us lightning

1202
01:16:46,290 --> 01:16:48,480
payments. If you do send a
lightning payment please put a

1203
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:54,570
memo in it because I got 20,000
SATs. I think yesterday and I

1204
01:16:54,570 --> 01:16:57,690
don't know who it came from. So
I want to thank whoever sent

1205
01:16:57,690 --> 01:17:00,660
that you know, it's like 10
bucks these days. Yeah, more

1206
01:17:00,660 --> 01:17:06,420
than that. And, and it was
thanks to these people.

1207
01:17:07,980 --> 01:17:11,280
Let's see make sure this is not
only make sure it's not

1208
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:15,300
anonymous and don't think it is
no don't say anything. Okay,

1209
01:17:15,300 --> 01:17:23,190
this is a one time donation.
$66.33 from Scott Yo, Jalbert. A

1210
01:17:23,190 --> 01:17:26,130
great episode interviewing David
with hyper catcher. I just

1211
01:17:26,130 --> 01:17:29,520
imported my opml from Marco's
app. I'm going to try it out

1212
01:17:29,550 --> 01:17:33,090
nice. can really see it can
really start to see things

1213
01:17:33,090 --> 01:17:35,400
coming together with podcast
index on many fronts, and it's

1214
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:38,610
exciting to see it happen.
Here's a little boost. Thanks. A

1215
01:17:38,610 --> 01:17:39,360
nice boost.

1216
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:41,820
Thank you. And by the way, if
you're listening right now crank

1217
01:17:41,820 --> 01:17:44,640
up the value sliders boost boost
boost.

1218
01:17:46,860 --> 01:17:52,680
Let's see what we get. Oh, this
one just came in right before

1219
01:17:52,770 --> 01:18:00,870
the show. Let's see 40 $46.22
this is from see Mike. Okay.

1220
01:18:00,990 --> 01:18:02,850
All right. See, Mike. I know see
Mike.

1221
01:18:03,030 --> 01:18:06,450
Yeah, he says long overdue value
for value. I really wish I could

1222
01:18:06,450 --> 01:18:09,030
help out more but my human
resources and wife demand

1223
01:18:09,030 --> 01:18:13,710
attention to he has not he has
nine kids. Holy crap.

1224
01:18:14,970 --> 01:18:18,000
And five of them born during the
course of him listening to the

1225
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:18,480
show

1226
01:18:19,199 --> 01:18:20,609
that makes you feel old and

1227
01:18:21,270 --> 01:18:27,390
he's his tears. His wife is is
some kind of Superwoman man.

1228
01:18:27,900 --> 01:18:28,830
Is he Catholic?

1229
01:18:29,970 --> 01:18:30,930
I don't know. I

1230
01:18:31,860 --> 01:18:33,870
know the Catholic thing having
tons of kids.

1231
01:18:33,930 --> 01:18:40,980
Sure. Could be just likes having
kids. I like the practicing part

1232
01:18:40,980 --> 01:18:42,240
a lot. Yeah.

1233
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:47,130
See, no special meaning in the
number just what's left on this

1234
01:18:47,580 --> 01:18:49,140
debit card. Perfect.

1235
01:18:49,350 --> 01:18:52,440
I love it's great way to get rid
of that extra extra money you

1236
01:18:52,440 --> 01:18:53,520
got laying around. Thank you.

1237
01:18:53,879 --> 01:18:54,899
He says go podcast.

1238
01:18:58,890 --> 01:18:59,790
By the way, Eric.

1239
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:06,420
Eric is working on this whole
back end system for producers.

1240
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:10,140
Now he's doing it for no agenda,
but it'll be for us as well. And

1241
01:19:10,650 --> 01:19:13,380
I think I think it's ethics is a
great product. We have a

1242
01:19:13,380 --> 01:19:17,400
donation page, you go in and you
fill out some basic information,

1243
01:19:17,430 --> 01:19:19,830
whatever you want it to be, of
course, but just to make it

1244
01:19:19,830 --> 01:19:22,830
simple, so we can track stuff.
And he's also going to do

1245
01:19:22,830 --> 01:19:27,690
lightning and BTC payment
options. It's going to be really

1246
01:19:27,690 --> 01:19:30,330
cool. This is going to be great.
Great for podcasters. I see

1247
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:33,420
total product, their total
product. Another little piece

1248
01:19:33,420 --> 01:19:34,920
you can stick in your value
block.

1249
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:36,390
Yeah, just stick it in.

1250
01:19:37,110 --> 01:19:38,580
We'll stick it in for you.

1251
01:19:38,610 --> 01:19:43,440
We'll stick it in for you.
That's the mantra that says sir

1252
01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:46,650
Pete gave us $33.33 from

1253
01:19:46,650 --> 01:19:51,150
the Netherlands or pate. Is that
pate? Eight? Yep, PDT. Yeah.

1254
01:19:51,390 --> 01:19:56,040
Okay. Hi, David Adams sir. Page
snakes here. Is that that's a

1255
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:56,970
snake. Yes. You got it.

1256
01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:57,690
You got it. Okay.

1257
01:19:58,350 --> 01:20:02,640
I'm basically Dutch here's,
here's some cash, no blankets,

1258
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,580
or water. Just a short thought
triggered by your discussion

1259
01:20:05,580 --> 01:20:08,880
with David Norman. I believe my
comments on podcasts and video

1260
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:12,600
timelines are more for me than
anybody else. It's at this

1261
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,600
moment in my public notetaking
for my inner circle to interact

1262
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:18,570
with. So if I would be a
consultant, it would be my notes

1263
01:20:18,570 --> 01:20:21,480
for the producer, if I was a
teacher is the collection of my

1264
01:20:21,480 --> 01:20:25,140
media of the media my students
should listen to. And the reason

1265
01:20:25,140 --> 01:20:29,070
is cetera, basically publishing
my bookmarks on my media life to

1266
01:20:29,070 --> 01:20:32,730
others, becoming a producer in
my own right. That has been my

1267
01:20:32,730 --> 01:20:35,970
dream for podcasting and books,
and specifically presentations

1268
01:20:35,970 --> 01:20:39,030
on events making the note Ah,
this is important for these

1269
01:20:39,030 --> 01:20:43,680
reasons. We, I we need you to re
Listen to this. Then David

1270
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:48,180
mentioned no Tater. Yes.
Brilliant. Here's some value for

1271
01:20:48,180 --> 01:20:53,460
value. Thank you, Sophie. So
yeah, that that no Tater thing.

1272
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:54,780
That's a good

1273
01:20:54,780 --> 01:21:01,110
idea. It's, it's, it's the dream
man being able to manipulate or

1274
01:21:01,110 --> 01:21:05,760
create content on the device
that you use to consume it.

1275
01:21:06,570 --> 01:21:10,530
Yeah. Which is why phones are
pretty cool to think about it.

1276
01:21:13,410 --> 01:21:17,220
Let's see who we got. Paul
Saltzman

1277
01:21:18,780 --> 01:21:20,910
another old timer. See, you
know, Paul,

1278
01:21:22,380 --> 01:21:25,200
he says, greetings. I'm thrilled
to see this progress, and

1279
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:28,680
unfortunately can't provide any
digital contribution. So take my

1280
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:29,820
monthly fee out money.

1281
01:21:30,060 --> 01:21:32,070
All right. We'd love it.

1282
01:21:33,180 --> 01:21:37,800
Yep, you got a $22.22
subscription each month, which

1283
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:42,270
is super help. Thank you very
much. That's all. Yeah, and

1284
01:21:42,270 --> 01:21:44,220
that's gonna help this month
immediately, because I just

1285
01:21:44,220 --> 01:21:48,900
finished this stupid annoying
database migration. And head

1286
01:21:48,990 --> 01:21:51,240
that's gonna cost us a little
about probably about 20 bucks

1287
01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:51,600
extra,

1288
01:21:51,690 --> 01:21:56,010
I was just thinking about as
this starts to build out, you

1289
01:21:56,010 --> 01:22:00,720
know, people who have 20 bucks
literally 20 bucks as the as the

1290
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,900
lightning network and and the
pieces that are connected to it

1291
01:22:03,900 --> 01:22:08,940
grows, there's a very distinct
possibility people will be able

1292
01:22:08,940 --> 01:22:12,840
to provide liquidity with
opening channels and routing for

1293
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:15,720
podcasters. And for listeners,
we're gonna need capacity and

1294
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,840
it's not that my Raspberry Pi is
not going to handle it. You

1295
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:22,470
know, we got you know, we've got
a nice beefed up node over there

1296
01:22:22,470 --> 01:22:25,920
at voltage, but people could put
their 20 bucks into a channel

1297
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:31,260
and just by providing liquidity
and routing on the network and

1298
01:22:31,260 --> 01:22:33,450
also make money off of the whole
system.

1299
01:22:34,169 --> 01:22:37,259
Okay, I've got an I've got an
idea around this that we do not

1300
01:22:37,259 --> 01:22:40,739
have time for it today. But
Nick, either next week. Well, we

1301
01:22:40,739 --> 01:22:43,859
got a guest next week. Okay,
got. We got galera man. Next

1302
01:22:43,859 --> 01:22:44,069
week.

1303
01:22:44,100 --> 01:22:46,170
Oh, nice. Yeah, he's fun.

1304
01:22:46,499 --> 01:22:48,719
So maybe the week after I want
to talk about this because it's

1305
01:22:48,719 --> 01:22:49,679
a it's a whole discussion.

1306
01:22:50,129 --> 01:22:51,779
Well, you're gonna tease me
anymore.

1307
01:22:52,110 --> 01:23:00,480
No, okay. No, this is cuz you
got to earn it. This $10 for CC.

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01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:04,200
So Morgan, no note from Cecil.
Shame. I like reading.

1309
01:23:04,350 --> 01:23:08,010
Thank you. So thank you very
much. One time donation from

1310
01:23:08,010 --> 01:23:08,490
Satan.

1311
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:14,730
See, we got Shawn desantis also
gave us $10. Again, no, no, just

1312
01:23:14,730 --> 01:23:15,870
a single donation. Yeah, another

1313
01:23:16,260 --> 01:23:18,060
another name I recognize for
sure.

1314
01:23:18,089 --> 01:23:23,549
Yeah. And let's see, there's no
note on this one. Chris Calvin

1315
01:23:23,549 --> 01:23:27,269
gave us a $5 a month
subscription, which is great.

1316
01:23:27,300 --> 01:23:28,680
Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, thank

1317
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:32,880
you, Chris. And that's it.
That's this great group man. But

1318
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:34,050
we appreciate the value

1319
01:23:34,050 --> 01:23:37,590
that you have placed on on
what's happening here. And

1320
01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:39,960
that's the beauty of it.
Certainly when it comes to

1321
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:43,770
creative work, whether it's you
know, podcasts or video or

1322
01:23:43,770 --> 01:23:47,160
whether it's development in my
mind, it's all art and you can

1323
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:50,340
only value that once you have
it. And you go look up the

1324
01:23:50,340 --> 01:23:54,630
definition of value it is truly
only to be determined by the

1325
01:23:54,660 --> 01:24:00,960
holder of the asset you
determine the value so we hold

1326
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,180
nothing but yeah, now we got
five bucks.

1327
01:24:04,650 --> 01:24:07,740
Play play I said two I forgot
what that is. I so

1328
01:24:07,740 --> 01:24:08,460
two

1329
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:13,500
I can truly just eat whatever I
want. Oh

1330
01:24:15,300 --> 01:24:16,260
it's not what I thought it was.
I

1331
01:24:16,949 --> 01:24:19,529
thought it was I don't know
what's what's going on down

1332
01:24:19,529 --> 01:24:20,369
there in Alabama.

1333
01:24:21,329 --> 01:24:22,979
So five might be okay then let's

1334
01:24:23,220 --> 01:24:24,540
go five.

1335
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:29,160
Oh, my God. That was really
stressful. I couldn't

1336
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:32,520
have such a great show. Yeah,
I'm glad you're sending me the

1337
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:35,820
most important clips from it.
Really learning about this

1338
01:24:35,820 --> 01:24:36,540
podcast?

1339
01:24:37,050 --> 01:24:40,320
Maybe Maybe not important.
Definitely the most entertaining

1340
01:24:42,390 --> 01:24:46,140
Wow, man. Okay, all over the map
today. But yeah, I'm

1341
01:24:46,140 --> 01:24:48,540
sorry about that. No, no, I

1342
01:24:48,570 --> 01:24:51,060
kind of like it. You know, I
didn't have much of an update

1343
01:24:51,060 --> 01:24:53,490
and I think we still covered a
lot of ground. I'm very excited

1344
01:24:53,490 --> 01:24:57,870
to see what happens in the next
in the next couple of weeks is

1345
01:24:57,870 --> 01:25:02,490
more stuff comes online, but I'm
definitely I'm gonna see if we

1346
01:25:02,490 --> 01:25:05,400
can get set up with buzzsprout
because I just Okay, let's just

1347
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:10,170
do it for this show, just to
start and see how we can work

1348
01:25:10,170 --> 01:25:15,300
out some of the cross tool
issues if necessary at all, you

1349
01:25:15,300 --> 01:25:19,320
know, or if there's something I,
you know, I don't know, I

1350
01:25:19,410 --> 01:25:21,750
haven't even looked into how it
all completely works over there.

1351
01:25:21,990 --> 01:25:25,770
But it just seems like, you
know, the guys who are who are

1352
01:25:25,770 --> 01:25:33,420
out front is buzzsprout by a
long long, long lead not in

1353
01:25:33,420 --> 01:25:37,830
support but in the tool part.
And that's very exciting to me.

1354
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:42,810
And and and, you know, this
podcast should have as much in

1355
01:25:42,810 --> 01:25:45,810
there as possible created with
tools that are available.

1356
01:25:46,260 --> 01:25:48,630
Yes, bother. It's bothering me
too, because I mean, I want the

1357
01:25:48,630 --> 01:25:51,720
person tag in there for sure. I
just got that put into the into

1358
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:55,350
the index aggregators. This
week, so that's we're consuming

1359
01:25:55,350 --> 01:25:57,030
the person tag now. It looks

1360
01:25:57,030 --> 01:25:59,970
cool. I mean, I'm seeing some of
the play outs we got just looks

1361
01:25:59,970 --> 01:26:00,450
cool.

1362
01:26:00,810 --> 01:26:03,990
Immediately we can we can start
doing really nice stuff with

1363
01:26:03,990 --> 01:26:08,370
that like, trend in a trending
person's hot people

1364
01:26:08,370 --> 01:26:15,180
Hot or Not? Hot. Yeah, swipe
right. Dave Jones again, swipe

1365
01:26:15,180 --> 01:26:15,780
left,

1366
01:26:16,020 --> 01:26:17,850
counter podcast index. Stick it
in.

1367
01:26:19,650 --> 01:26:20,400
All right, Dave.

1368
01:26:21,390 --> 01:26:23,670
What's you doing this weekend?
You need anything else for the

1369
01:26:23,670 --> 01:26:26,160
next couple of days? Are we good
on what we got to do?

1370
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:31,020
No, I got I got I got to do list
which is that's on the to do

1371
01:26:31,020 --> 01:26:32,250
list and coffee.

1372
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:37,440
Which is the one thing that we
ran out of and luckily we've got

1373
01:26:37,440 --> 01:26:40,980
great neighbors has no good run
out of coffee in any kind of

1374
01:26:40,980 --> 01:26:42,090
crisis situation.

1375
01:26:42,810 --> 01:26:45,690
Are you bartering coffee for hot
showers?

1376
01:26:45,900 --> 01:26:50,280
No. Well, interestingly, the
neighbor who well I went out

1377
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:54,270
there and I said, Hey, neighbor,
you want to trade some weed for

1378
01:26:54,270 --> 01:26:57,660
some coffee? And he said, you
know, we said no, I need coffee.

1379
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:02,160
Wait, where do you get this in
reverse?

1380
01:27:02,700 --> 01:27:09,330
He said you got a weed you need
weed? No man he coffees like so

1381
01:27:09,390 --> 01:27:11,850
it was the three of us standing
out there shoveling the driveway

1382
01:27:11,850 --> 01:27:15,510
with the wrong shovels you know
with like dirt shovels and and

1383
01:27:15,510 --> 01:27:18,900
among guys, I got five five
pounds of beans and everything

1384
01:27:18,900 --> 01:27:21,900
and so they were grinding it in
the in the car on the 110 with a

1385
01:27:21,900 --> 01:27:23,070
little mini grinder.

1386
01:27:23,459 --> 01:27:24,449
It's like wampum

1387
01:27:25,350 --> 01:27:29,250
was total wampum but then his
his hot water heater went out it

1388
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:32,820
I mean, we all have the same
here which is the tankless

1389
01:27:32,850 --> 01:27:36,270
electric and yeah, but his pipes
cracked at the at the heat

1390
01:27:36,270 --> 01:27:38,940
exchange and there's no plumber.
There's nothing

1391
01:27:40,050 --> 01:27:41,970
that you gotta just replace
them. You gotta replace

1392
01:27:41,970 --> 01:27:45,150
it. And so I said, Hey, man, you
know, come on over for first

1393
01:27:45,150 --> 01:27:49,800
shower, whatever you guys want.
And my other neighbor. Now

1394
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:52,980
something something's broke over
at his house, but he does have

1395
01:27:53,220 --> 01:27:56,430
water and he was joking around
you were an hour on text groups.

1396
01:27:56,880 --> 01:28:01,380
He's like 25 cents a shower. I'm
like fuck it. five cents and we

1397
01:28:01,380 --> 01:28:02,460
take Bitcoin.

1398
01:28:02,820 --> 01:28:05,430
Yeah, that's 100 SATs a minute
but

1399
01:28:05,490 --> 01:28:08,610
just just scan the QR code on
your way into the bathroom

1400
01:28:08,610 --> 01:28:09,300
you'll be fine.

1401
01:28:09,660 --> 01:28:12,960
If you have like some kind of
Frou Frou fancy soap like lad

1402
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:15,120
lavender cannonvale Yeah.

1403
01:28:19,350 --> 01:28:24,270
All right. Day Thanks, man. Have
yourself a great weekend and we

1404
01:28:24,270 --> 01:28:27,180
will talk again next week for
the board meeting of podcasting

1405
01:28:27,180 --> 01:28:31,950
2.0 podcast index.org Till then
Take it easy, everybody. Bye.

1406
01:28:48,090 --> 01:28:52,650
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