1 00:00:00,850 --> 00:00:03,930 Podcasting 2.0 for June 6, 2025, Episode 2 00:00:03,930 --> 00:00:06,870 223, Messy Desks. 3 00:00:08,450 --> 00:00:10,290 Hey everybody, what's going on? 4 00:00:10,430 --> 00:00:11,510 Is the world in turmoil? 5 00:00:11,750 --> 00:00:13,330 Are you confused about what's happening? 6 00:00:13,710 --> 00:00:14,650 Who cares? 7 00:00:14,830 --> 00:00:16,910 It's time to talk podcasting. 8 00:00:17,370 --> 00:00:19,810 Of course, the future of podcasting, everything happening 9 00:00:19,810 --> 00:00:22,450 right now with the podcast industrial complex, and 10 00:00:22,450 --> 00:00:23,970 all the stuff Dave and I can just 11 00:00:23,970 --> 00:00:25,750 get away with discussing at a board meeting. 12 00:00:25,830 --> 00:00:28,550 We are the only boardroom that Apple executives 13 00:00:28,550 --> 00:00:29,890 actually should attend. 14 00:00:30,130 --> 00:00:31,770 I'm Adam Curry, here in the heart of 15 00:00:31,770 --> 00:00:34,150 the Texas Hill Country, and in Alabama, the 16 00:00:34,150 --> 00:00:36,650 man who turned your interstitials into bumpers and 17 00:00:36,650 --> 00:00:37,190 free rolls. 18 00:00:37,510 --> 00:00:38,890 Say hello to my friend on the other 19 00:00:38,890 --> 00:00:42,290 end, the one, the only, Mr. Dave Jones. 20 00:00:42,610 --> 00:00:43,530 Nice timing, Dreb. 21 00:00:46,090 --> 00:00:48,170 Dave, a heart right in the middle of 22 00:00:48,170 --> 00:00:48,630 the intro. 23 00:00:49,050 --> 00:00:50,410 I think Dreb timed it. 24 00:00:50,530 --> 00:00:52,950 He got a little heavenly boost there. 25 00:00:53,090 --> 00:00:53,950 Perfect timing. 26 00:00:54,850 --> 00:00:57,630 We were swept off to heaven. 27 00:00:57,670 --> 00:00:58,170 I was. 28 00:00:58,490 --> 00:00:58,790 Whoa! 29 00:00:59,350 --> 00:01:00,230 Well, I should read it now. 30 00:01:00,350 --> 00:01:01,090 Pre-show boost. 31 00:01:03,349 --> 00:01:05,050 It's a weight loss update. 32 00:01:07,470 --> 00:01:08,990 I'm down 20 pounds. 33 00:01:09,430 --> 00:01:12,810 No, 15.5 pounds lost in 53 days. 34 00:01:12,970 --> 00:01:14,470 Approximately two pounds a week. 35 00:01:14,830 --> 00:01:16,590 Consistent walking five miles a day. 36 00:01:16,650 --> 00:01:18,170 Haven't missed 10k steps a day in those 37 00:01:18,170 --> 00:01:18,830 53 days. 38 00:01:18,930 --> 00:01:19,850 Go podcasting! 39 00:01:20,170 --> 00:01:22,010 The question is, what is he listening to 40 00:01:22,010 --> 00:01:23,990 while he's doing his steps? 41 00:01:24,750 --> 00:01:24,970 Us. 42 00:01:25,490 --> 00:01:26,490 I would hope so. 43 00:01:26,590 --> 00:01:27,970 That's what podcasting's good for. 44 00:01:28,370 --> 00:01:29,830 He's going through the whole back catalogue. 45 00:01:31,190 --> 00:01:32,350 How you doing, brother Dave? 46 00:01:33,950 --> 00:01:34,390 Messy. 47 00:01:34,610 --> 00:01:35,770 Yeah, I'm messy too. 48 00:01:35,950 --> 00:01:36,470 I'm real messy. 49 00:01:36,550 --> 00:01:38,190 You know what the messiest thing was? 50 00:01:38,350 --> 00:01:42,210 It can't be coincidence that we get the 51 00:01:42,210 --> 00:01:45,370 President Trump and Elon Musk doing a WWE 52 00:01:45,370 --> 00:01:46,650 mock fight. 53 00:01:47,050 --> 00:01:49,830 Like, okay, I'm on to this nonsense. 54 00:01:50,270 --> 00:01:54,010 But today, Grok could no longer code. 55 00:01:54,730 --> 00:01:56,710 It just completely forgot how. 56 00:01:56,730 --> 00:01:57,550 It was freezing. 57 00:01:57,870 --> 00:01:58,590 It was stopping. 58 00:01:58,870 --> 00:02:00,270 Would write half a script. 59 00:02:01,250 --> 00:02:04,230 And then it would do it unformatted. 60 00:02:05,150 --> 00:02:07,110 I start a new conversation. 61 00:02:08,550 --> 00:02:10,750 Just completely off its rocker. 62 00:02:10,970 --> 00:02:11,570 No good. 63 00:02:12,810 --> 00:02:13,690 And you know, when I get and when 64 00:02:13,690 --> 00:02:16,850 I get to that at all, sometimes you'll 65 00:02:16,850 --> 00:02:18,770 just stop and just in the middle of 66 00:02:18,770 --> 00:02:20,450 writing something, it'll stop and you say, hey, 67 00:02:20,450 --> 00:02:20,790 you stop. 68 00:02:20,890 --> 00:02:21,370 I'm sorry. 69 00:02:21,450 --> 00:02:23,450 And they'll go on and stop again. 70 00:02:24,430 --> 00:02:28,090 But just making really odd choices. 71 00:02:29,830 --> 00:02:32,370 You know, like I figured out the best 72 00:02:32,370 --> 00:02:36,170 way to change a huge Python script is 73 00:02:36,170 --> 00:02:38,330 to ask it to write a shell script 74 00:02:38,330 --> 00:02:44,050 and edit the original script, like with sed 75 00:02:44,050 --> 00:02:44,810 or awk. 76 00:02:45,630 --> 00:02:46,670 Wait, wait, wait, wait. 77 00:02:46,770 --> 00:02:48,510 So you're saying that the best way to 78 00:02:48,510 --> 00:02:50,750 get Grok to write Python is to ask 79 00:02:50,750 --> 00:02:52,550 it to write a shell script to write 80 00:02:52,550 --> 00:02:52,830 the Python? 81 00:02:52,830 --> 00:02:53,430 No, no, no. 82 00:02:53,630 --> 00:02:55,970 To fix, which would be hilarious. 83 00:02:56,350 --> 00:02:59,050 In debugging Python, I don't know how many 84 00:02:59,050 --> 00:03:00,230 lines of code I have. 85 00:03:00,490 --> 00:03:04,390 But in debugging that, it rarely ever makes 86 00:03:04,390 --> 00:03:05,030 it to the end. 87 00:03:05,130 --> 00:03:07,030 It just stops and it starts to make 88 00:03:07,030 --> 00:03:11,810 triple quote comment errors and syntax that just 89 00:03:11,810 --> 00:03:13,990 can't do a large script. 90 00:03:14,450 --> 00:03:16,030 So I say, hey, the changes you want 91 00:03:16,030 --> 00:03:18,490 to make, just write a shell script with 92 00:03:18,490 --> 00:03:20,150 sed and awk, whatever you want to use 93 00:03:20,150 --> 00:03:21,090 and change it. 94 00:03:21,210 --> 00:03:22,430 And that actually works. 95 00:03:22,550 --> 00:03:23,030 But then. 96 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,510 Wait, I'm totally confused. 97 00:03:27,330 --> 00:03:29,610 You're, you're, you're saying. 98 00:03:30,250 --> 00:03:31,810 I know, it's great, isn't it? 99 00:03:32,030 --> 00:03:33,730 I don't understand what's happening. 100 00:03:34,330 --> 00:03:34,570 Okay. 101 00:03:34,950 --> 00:03:35,190 Okay. 102 00:03:35,310 --> 00:03:38,510 You're saying that sed and awk to make 103 00:03:38,510 --> 00:03:39,230 the changes? 104 00:03:39,530 --> 00:03:41,350 Yes, because if you want to wait for 105 00:03:41,350 --> 00:03:44,150 Grok to write to write the whole Python 106 00:03:44,150 --> 00:03:46,930 script again, if it even gets to the 107 00:03:46,930 --> 00:03:48,850 end, it'll take 15 minutes. 108 00:03:50,010 --> 00:03:52,750 Well, that is the weirdest thing. 109 00:03:53,570 --> 00:03:54,130 Okay. 110 00:03:54,870 --> 00:03:56,870 I don't want to hijack this, but me 111 00:03:56,870 --> 00:04:01,630 and Alex and I have been talking offline 112 00:04:01,630 --> 00:04:04,950 about our, our struggles with or in struggles 113 00:04:04,950 --> 00:04:07,310 and successes with LLMs as far as Rust 114 00:04:07,310 --> 00:04:07,890 code goes. 115 00:04:08,230 --> 00:04:12,530 And, and the, I made the comment this 116 00:04:12,530 --> 00:04:16,890 morning that that we just, we live in 117 00:04:16,890 --> 00:04:17,750 strange times. 118 00:04:18,610 --> 00:04:19,610 This is true. 119 00:04:19,970 --> 00:04:24,450 When you're having to ask like, like Gemini, 120 00:04:24,670 --> 00:04:27,710 he was, he said, Gemini is great at 121 00:04:27,710 --> 00:04:30,510 Rust macros, you know, but it can't tell 122 00:04:30,510 --> 00:04:32,770 you, it cannot tell you, but Gemini cannot 123 00:04:32,770 --> 00:04:34,490 tell you how much protein is in a 124 00:04:34,490 --> 00:04:35,830 half pound of ground beef. 125 00:04:37,790 --> 00:04:40,350 Well, you know, and it's the other way 126 00:04:40,350 --> 00:04:40,950 around too. 127 00:04:41,110 --> 00:04:44,010 Oh, the open AI 01 can, can nail 128 00:04:44,010 --> 00:04:46,430 the ground beef, you know, but it sucks 129 00:04:46,430 --> 00:04:47,150 at macros. 130 00:04:47,230 --> 00:04:48,530 Like what, what are we doing? 131 00:04:49,170 --> 00:04:49,370 Yeah. 132 00:04:49,510 --> 00:04:50,750 Well, what are we doing? 133 00:04:50,990 --> 00:04:52,030 You're absolutely right. 134 00:04:52,090 --> 00:04:55,150 But so, so Grok is just slow at 135 00:04:55,150 --> 00:04:59,450 writing this Python code and the long, let 136 00:04:59,450 --> 00:05:00,590 me just see how many lines of code. 137 00:05:00,630 --> 00:05:01,630 Let me just tell you how many lines 138 00:05:01,630 --> 00:05:02,750 of code this script is. 139 00:05:03,290 --> 00:05:04,430 It's a setup script. 140 00:05:04,510 --> 00:05:06,210 It's the one that, you know, that sets 141 00:05:06,210 --> 00:05:08,930 up a streaming station from a, from an 142 00:05:08,930 --> 00:05:09,710 RSS feed. 143 00:05:10,330 --> 00:05:10,790 All right. 144 00:05:10,890 --> 00:05:11,930 So it's your run book. 145 00:05:12,230 --> 00:05:13,210 It's my run book. 146 00:05:13,290 --> 00:05:13,490 Yeah. 147 00:05:13,570 --> 00:05:14,090 Thank you. 148 00:05:14,130 --> 00:05:14,990 That's a good way to look at it. 149 00:05:14,990 --> 00:05:15,630 It's my run books. 150 00:05:15,710 --> 00:05:16,830 Let me just take a look at this. 151 00:05:16,910 --> 00:05:18,330 I'll tell you how big this is. 152 00:05:18,830 --> 00:05:22,550 This is lines of code. 153 00:05:23,670 --> 00:05:25,470 Wait, that's not, can't be the right one. 154 00:05:25,850 --> 00:05:27,550 I don't have any pants on right now. 155 00:05:28,630 --> 00:05:28,950 Okay. 156 00:05:28,970 --> 00:05:30,410 That is the ISO of the day. 157 00:05:31,110 --> 00:05:36,390 Could someone please, could someone please ISO that 158 00:05:36,390 --> 00:05:36,870 for me? 159 00:05:37,470 --> 00:05:38,770 I'm telling you, I'm in a risk. 160 00:05:38,910 --> 00:05:39,910 It's a mess over here. 161 00:05:40,310 --> 00:05:43,270 I'm now, I'm deep pants and now I've 162 00:05:43,270 --> 00:05:43,990 shorted myself. 163 00:05:44,250 --> 00:05:44,950 So I'm shorted now. 164 00:05:47,590 --> 00:05:53,870 So this is 1,119 lines of code. 165 00:05:54,910 --> 00:05:57,590 Whoa, that's a lot of code. 166 00:05:57,710 --> 00:05:59,230 Well, it's a setup and it includes, it's 167 00:05:59,230 --> 00:06:00,170 a template, right? 168 00:06:00,230 --> 00:06:04,690 It creates two, it creates three separate scripts. 169 00:06:05,390 --> 00:06:05,870 Okay. 170 00:06:06,070 --> 00:06:09,830 A liquid soap script, a parser script, and 171 00:06:09,830 --> 00:06:10,750 an updater script. 172 00:06:11,130 --> 00:06:13,070 And then it does a couple other things. 173 00:06:13,730 --> 00:06:16,270 So yeah, that's, that's a reasonable amount of 174 00:06:16,270 --> 00:06:16,550 code. 175 00:06:17,690 --> 00:06:20,850 And so, so, so, and this was working 176 00:06:20,850 --> 00:06:23,110 and then I find out, okay, do you 177 00:06:23,110 --> 00:06:24,330 mind if I tell you the whole story? 178 00:06:24,370 --> 00:06:26,250 Cause that'll, I think it'll actually make you 179 00:06:26,250 --> 00:06:26,570 laugh. 180 00:06:26,970 --> 00:06:27,450 Yes. 181 00:06:27,670 --> 00:06:27,870 Okay. 182 00:06:27,970 --> 00:06:28,370 I'm sorry. 183 00:06:28,430 --> 00:06:29,290 I will stop interrupting. 184 00:06:29,290 --> 00:06:29,450 Okay. 185 00:06:29,530 --> 00:06:31,030 So I had this thing running. 186 00:06:31,710 --> 00:06:34,090 It takes an, and this is podcasting related. 187 00:06:34,210 --> 00:06:35,830 It takes an RSS feed. 188 00:06:36,470 --> 00:06:38,450 Uh, that is a, an act like a 189 00:06:38,450 --> 00:06:41,030 public publisher feed, basically an aggregated feed. 190 00:06:41,030 --> 00:06:42,870 So it does all kinds of different episodes. 191 00:06:43,370 --> 00:06:46,330 It downloads and caches what it needs to. 192 00:06:46,330 --> 00:06:49,410 And it turns that into a, a nice 193 00:06:49,410 --> 00:06:52,770 cast stream based upon what is the newest 194 00:06:52,770 --> 00:06:53,290 episode. 195 00:06:53,290 --> 00:06:54,630 And it goes down the list. 196 00:06:54,630 --> 00:06:56,230 And if a new episode pops up, it 197 00:06:56,230 --> 00:06:57,170 plays that next. 198 00:06:57,530 --> 00:06:59,350 So you have kind of a fresh radio 199 00:06:59,350 --> 00:07:00,030 field to it. 200 00:07:00,190 --> 00:07:02,850 The serendipity is fantastic when it works. 201 00:07:03,350 --> 00:07:05,070 And the idea is when it gets to 202 00:07:05,070 --> 00:07:06,510 the end of the playlist, if it doesn't 203 00:07:06,510 --> 00:07:09,810 have any new more episodes, mark everything is 204 00:07:09,810 --> 00:07:12,830 not played and refresh the playlist and start 205 00:07:12,830 --> 00:07:13,350 over again. 206 00:07:14,190 --> 00:07:14,310 Okay. 207 00:07:15,130 --> 00:07:17,730 So this was, and then there's a whole 208 00:07:17,730 --> 00:07:18,730 metadata up. 209 00:07:18,730 --> 00:07:21,390 Actually, it's important to know that you cannot 210 00:07:21,390 --> 00:07:24,250 rely on MP3 files for MP3 data. 211 00:07:24,370 --> 00:07:27,350 So I was taking the title and description 212 00:07:27,350 --> 00:07:30,810 from the item tag in the RSS feed 213 00:07:30,810 --> 00:07:32,710 and that I was pushing to the ice 214 00:07:32,710 --> 00:07:35,190 cast server as, as the metadata. 215 00:07:35,250 --> 00:07:37,430 So you can see what you're listening to. 216 00:07:37,590 --> 00:07:38,070 You with me? 217 00:07:39,530 --> 00:07:40,370 I'm with you. 218 00:07:40,470 --> 00:07:40,730 Okay. 219 00:07:42,130 --> 00:07:46,190 So turns out, cause, and the, it was 220 00:07:46,190 --> 00:07:48,550 replaying episodes and like, what is going wrong? 221 00:07:48,670 --> 00:07:51,230 Why is it not marking these episodes as 222 00:07:51,230 --> 00:07:51,610 played? 223 00:07:52,770 --> 00:07:55,530 And I would like to guess I'm not, 224 00:07:55,710 --> 00:07:57,130 I'm going to stay quiet, but I would 225 00:07:57,130 --> 00:07:59,190 like to guess before you tell me what 226 00:07:59,190 --> 00:07:59,710 the problem was. 227 00:07:59,770 --> 00:07:59,930 Yeah. 228 00:07:59,930 --> 00:08:00,530 Go for it. 229 00:08:02,220 --> 00:08:04,640 It was a file permission issue. 230 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:05,780 Oh no, no, no. 231 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,120 I woke up this morning and the almighty 232 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:09,660 intelligence gave me the answer. 233 00:08:09,700 --> 00:08:10,680 And I went to look and it was 234 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:11,020 true. 235 00:08:11,460 --> 00:08:12,860 I went to look and it was true. 236 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:13,880 Okay. 237 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,240 So it had determined that the best way 238 00:08:18,180 --> 00:08:21,040 to, um, now there's always these little nuances 239 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,020 with title mapping, you know, so you have 240 00:08:24,020 --> 00:08:25,280 got to match the file. 241 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,140 So it downloads the file, gives it its 242 00:08:27,140 --> 00:08:29,320 own special name, and then it maps it 243 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,299 to the title and then you're good to 244 00:08:31,299 --> 00:08:31,520 go. 245 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,140 But sometimes the title might have some extraneous 246 00:08:34,140 --> 00:08:34,640 characters. 247 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,299 So there's a lot of rejects in there. 248 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,539 So you don't get this whole, this whole 249 00:08:38,539 --> 00:08:40,820 long URL or chopped off bits. 250 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,460 It was instead of the smart way to 251 00:08:43,460 --> 00:08:45,880 do it, which is, is this file, which 252 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:47,780 I have in my file system playing? 253 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:48,640 Yes. 254 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,060 Put it in the played episodes file. 255 00:08:51,380 --> 00:08:53,820 It was mapping the file it had on 256 00:08:53,820 --> 00:08:56,480 his file system to a title and then 257 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,240 trying to match the title back to put 258 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,880 that into the played episodes file. 259 00:09:03,380 --> 00:09:05,680 So it was, it was doing the stupidest 260 00:09:05,680 --> 00:09:06,300 thing in the world. 261 00:09:06,340 --> 00:09:07,600 And I, and I say, why are you 262 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:08,000 doing this? 263 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:09,720 Oh yeah, that wasn't very smart. 264 00:09:09,900 --> 00:09:11,060 Let me do it by episode. 265 00:09:11,820 --> 00:09:13,720 So that's where it started. 266 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:15,320 Are you with me? 267 00:09:16,140 --> 00:09:16,880 I'm here. 268 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,340 You are going to be a Python coder 269 00:09:20,340 --> 00:09:21,500 by the time this is finished. 270 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,020 Well, so teaching you, this is teaching you 271 00:09:25,020 --> 00:09:25,620 how to code. 272 00:09:26,420 --> 00:09:28,740 Well, yeah, I'm, I'm basically now coding it 273 00:09:28,740 --> 00:09:30,420 myself because all I said was, could you 274 00:09:30,420 --> 00:09:34,600 please just change this from mapping URL mapping 275 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,080 to episode mapping? 276 00:09:36,460 --> 00:09:37,540 Oh my gosh. 277 00:09:37,820 --> 00:09:39,460 It was three hours. 278 00:09:39,560 --> 00:09:41,440 It's doing this, it's doing that. 279 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,620 It forgets how to parse a feed. 280 00:09:43,780 --> 00:09:45,760 You know, it's, it's written its own feed 281 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:46,680 parsing logic. 282 00:09:46,820 --> 00:09:49,560 I said, there's the feed parser module that 283 00:09:49,560 --> 00:09:51,180 you've imported into Python. 284 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:52,260 Use that. 285 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:54,840 I mean, it just makes all these decisions. 286 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:56,440 So then I'm like, screw it. 287 00:09:56,680 --> 00:09:57,700 I go over to Manus. 288 00:09:57,860 --> 00:10:00,620 Well, Manus was a man is my anus. 289 00:10:00,780 --> 00:10:02,020 This was a disaster. 290 00:10:02,420 --> 00:10:03,940 That thing's a disaster. 291 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:05,540 Cancel that subscription. 292 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,720 Then I go to chat GPT, chat GPT, 293 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,620 super fast at giving me everything wrong. 294 00:10:12,660 --> 00:10:15,260 Every single time it did the same thing. 295 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,160 It went off and built its own feed 296 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:18,580 parser, which doesn't work. 297 00:10:18,780 --> 00:10:21,640 I said, I didn't ask you to change 298 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:22,000 that. 299 00:10:22,060 --> 00:10:23,320 I said, change this. 300 00:10:23,460 --> 00:10:25,320 I didn't ask you to write a new 301 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:26,480 liquid soap file. 302 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,320 And it just does that stuff. 303 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:30,560 It sucks. 304 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:32,800 It's all no good. 305 00:10:32,900 --> 00:10:34,220 I'm learning to code. 306 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:35,620 I'm going to do it myself. 307 00:10:36,100 --> 00:10:37,480 It is no good. 308 00:10:38,140 --> 00:10:38,920 This is great. 309 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:39,940 I love this. 310 00:10:40,460 --> 00:10:41,580 This is awesome. 311 00:10:41,980 --> 00:10:43,020 It's not awesome. 312 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:44,400 It's very frustrating. 313 00:10:45,460 --> 00:10:47,260 Well, I mean, I'm over it now. 314 00:10:47,420 --> 00:10:49,880 I know I take my breaks when it 315 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:50,140 works. 316 00:10:50,220 --> 00:10:51,220 I take a praise break. 317 00:10:51,680 --> 00:10:54,360 I say praise, praise God, praise the, the, 318 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,760 the almighty intelligence for making it work. 319 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:58,040 I've prayed over this. 320 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,520 Like, please, okay, please just give me, give 321 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,160 me the insight into this. 322 00:11:02,420 --> 00:11:03,940 So now I'm just in the code doing 323 00:11:03,940 --> 00:11:04,400 it myself. 324 00:11:04,500 --> 00:11:05,740 It's so stupid. 325 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,160 This is, and it happened the minute Elon 326 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,200 got into a tiff with the president. 327 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,080 That's when everything went downhill. 328 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,560 This, uh, I just, I just, I'm sorry 329 00:11:17,560 --> 00:11:18,020 for laughing. 330 00:11:18,220 --> 00:11:18,860 No, it's okay. 331 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:20,940 It's completely laughable. 332 00:11:21,060 --> 00:11:22,020 That's the whole thing. 333 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:23,920 It's so stupid. 334 00:11:25,620 --> 00:11:28,560 Well, so I've, the reason that my desk 335 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:30,060 is a mess and I didn't have pants 336 00:11:30,060 --> 00:11:30,880 on just second ago. 337 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:31,820 Stop. 338 00:11:32,060 --> 00:11:32,640 I don't want to know. 339 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,800 Here's here's TMI, TMI, TMI, TMI. 340 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,500 By the way, expect an email from me 341 00:11:39,500 --> 00:11:41,700 that says you better send me one Bitcoin 342 00:11:41,700 --> 00:11:43,680 or I'm going to release the video that 343 00:11:43,680 --> 00:11:44,660 I recorded of you. 344 00:11:44,740 --> 00:11:45,120 All right. 345 00:11:45,140 --> 00:11:45,660 That's coming. 346 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:48,740 I know what you did. 347 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:51,180 That's the one. 348 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:51,580 That's me. 349 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:52,380 That's my email. 350 00:11:52,380 --> 00:11:53,880 I took over your webcam. 351 00:11:54,700 --> 00:11:55,760 Um, yeah. 352 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,840 So is, uh, I built, I built an, 353 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,300 a local LLM server this week. 354 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,880 Why, why, why? 355 00:12:06,540 --> 00:12:11,360 Well, uh, many reasons, many reasons. 356 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,220 One of which is I've, I found a 357 00:12:14,220 --> 00:12:19,100 sort of, I found a workflow that kind 358 00:12:19,100 --> 00:12:24,050 of works because here, here's, here's what's happening. 359 00:12:24,570 --> 00:12:28,150 I'm struggling to get coding time on index 360 00:12:28,150 --> 00:12:29,650 on the, on the, on the podcast. 361 00:12:29,850 --> 00:12:30,710 I know, I know. 362 00:12:30,950 --> 00:12:34,090 And, uh, because, uh, just, you know, I 363 00:12:34,090 --> 00:12:35,710 essentially have three jobs now. 364 00:12:36,110 --> 00:12:39,850 So, um, I'm struggling to find that, that 365 00:12:39,850 --> 00:12:41,510 time in my life. 366 00:12:41,530 --> 00:12:45,130 And so I thought, okay, there's, I'm, I'm 367 00:12:45,130 --> 00:12:48,830 going to attempt to put, um, to put 368 00:12:48,830 --> 00:12:50,530 LLMs to use for this. 369 00:12:51,510 --> 00:12:55,590 For, for, for, uh, for index stuff, uh, 370 00:12:55,970 --> 00:12:58,250 for anything, for anything, for anything. 371 00:12:58,510 --> 00:12:58,870 I gotcha. 372 00:12:59,030 --> 00:12:59,430 I gotcha. 373 00:12:59,530 --> 00:13:01,630 So I installed open web UI on its 374 00:13:01,630 --> 00:13:02,370 old Mac mini. 375 00:13:02,610 --> 00:13:04,350 Uh, it's like an M one Mac mini. 376 00:13:05,310 --> 00:13:08,230 And, um, do you, do you know open 377 00:13:08,230 --> 00:13:09,130 web UI to use that? 378 00:13:10,270 --> 00:13:12,370 Um, I don't know. 379 00:13:12,710 --> 00:13:13,290 Tell me. 380 00:13:13,390 --> 00:13:13,830 It's very cool. 381 00:13:14,190 --> 00:13:14,810 It's very cool. 382 00:13:14,870 --> 00:13:18,050 It's just an open source, uh, very elegant 383 00:13:18,050 --> 00:13:21,950 web interface that to, into a Llama. 384 00:13:22,870 --> 00:13:23,310 Right. 385 00:13:23,450 --> 00:13:23,730 Oh, no. 386 00:13:24,750 --> 00:13:25,970 Start nine uses that. 387 00:13:26,150 --> 00:13:26,370 Exactly. 388 00:13:26,530 --> 00:13:27,610 And you can look, you can, you can 389 00:13:27,610 --> 00:13:29,370 load all of your, all of your different 390 00:13:29,370 --> 00:13:29,950 models. 391 00:13:30,110 --> 00:13:31,670 And yes, I know exactly what it is. 392 00:13:31,750 --> 00:13:31,850 Yeah. 393 00:13:32,130 --> 00:13:32,350 Okay. 394 00:13:32,350 --> 00:13:34,030 So I put, I put that on this 395 00:13:34,030 --> 00:13:37,130 M one and then, uh, shared it through 396 00:13:37,130 --> 00:13:39,610 tail scale so I can have it on 397 00:13:39,610 --> 00:13:40,790 my phone and that kind of thing. 398 00:13:40,790 --> 00:13:42,350 And, and out and about when I'm, when 399 00:13:42,350 --> 00:13:45,650 I'm not in the house and then, uh, 400 00:13:45,650 --> 00:13:49,050 so this like it's this, all this whole 401 00:13:49,050 --> 00:13:50,310 getup is on my desk. 402 00:13:50,410 --> 00:13:52,290 Now I had just on this, I've got 403 00:13:52,290 --> 00:13:54,250 two machines in front of me and the 404 00:13:54,250 --> 00:13:55,870 keyboard was detached, all this mess. 405 00:13:56,650 --> 00:13:59,450 So I got, but the M so the, 406 00:13:59,850 --> 00:14:05,370 what I'm doing is I'm using, uh, one 407 00:14:05,370 --> 00:14:09,390 of the code specific models whenever I have 408 00:14:09,390 --> 00:14:13,110 a, because these it's, it's bad being, I 409 00:14:13,110 --> 00:14:14,610 don't know if it's ADHD or what it 410 00:14:14,610 --> 00:14:17,630 is, but it's, I'll have this killer thought 411 00:14:17,630 --> 00:14:20,930 about a new tag, a new, a new, 412 00:14:20,930 --> 00:14:25,950 uh, code idea for the index, um, or 413 00:14:25,950 --> 00:14:28,990 for podcast in general, I'll have all these 414 00:14:28,990 --> 00:14:29,630 ideas. 415 00:14:30,630 --> 00:14:34,150 And if, and I've always struggled to keep 416 00:14:34,150 --> 00:14:40,250 notes because sometimes, sometimes you have to flesh 417 00:14:40,250 --> 00:14:42,230 this stuff out. 418 00:14:42,290 --> 00:14:44,050 And so I'm like, I'm like on a 419 00:14:44,050 --> 00:14:44,450 walk. 420 00:14:44,970 --> 00:14:47,250 I'm walking the dog or I take walks 421 00:14:47,250 --> 00:14:49,570 at work during my day job and I'll 422 00:14:49,570 --> 00:14:52,450 be on a walk and, and I'll have 423 00:14:52,450 --> 00:14:56,290 this great flash of, of an idea or 424 00:14:56,290 --> 00:14:59,510 in, you know, and I, if, if I 425 00:14:59,510 --> 00:15:02,130 do not stop and, and put it down 426 00:15:02,130 --> 00:15:05,370 and, you know, in pen and paper or 427 00:15:05,370 --> 00:15:07,650 whatever, at that moment, it'll be gone and 428 00:15:07,650 --> 00:15:08,470 I'll never get it back. 429 00:15:08,750 --> 00:15:11,530 Like, it's just the way my mind works. 430 00:15:11,530 --> 00:15:15,390 And so I thought, okay, I've got, I 431 00:15:15,390 --> 00:15:17,610 just, anytime I have a flash of brilliance 432 00:15:17,610 --> 00:15:19,870 about something, I'm going to throw it into 433 00:15:19,870 --> 00:15:23,350 the LLM, whether it's code or anything else. 434 00:15:23,510 --> 00:15:27,010 And I'm just going to say, um, you 435 00:15:27,010 --> 00:15:30,210 know, write, write a pro write a function 436 00:15:30,210 --> 00:15:32,330 that does so-and-so just some sort 437 00:15:32,330 --> 00:15:34,050 of thing that I can get my, get 438 00:15:34,050 --> 00:15:36,850 it to be saved in perpetuity. 439 00:15:37,470 --> 00:15:39,590 And it'll give me sort of like this 440 00:15:39,590 --> 00:15:42,630 first pass sanity check on whether or not 441 00:15:42,630 --> 00:15:44,370 this idea I have works. 442 00:15:45,690 --> 00:15:47,830 And, uh, so far it's been working pretty 443 00:15:47,830 --> 00:15:48,170 good. 444 00:15:48,270 --> 00:15:52,050 Like, um, you know, I had, I had 445 00:15:52,050 --> 00:15:54,150 an idea for how, um, I tried to 446 00:15:54,150 --> 00:15:56,390 do some work on the new aggregator a 447 00:15:56,390 --> 00:15:59,410 couple of days ago, and I had an 448 00:15:59,410 --> 00:16:03,630 idea of how to structure the, of how 449 00:16:03,630 --> 00:16:07,610 to write the rust struck structures that are 450 00:16:07,610 --> 00:16:09,470 going to contain the SQL inserts. 451 00:16:10,670 --> 00:16:12,590 And so I was going to, uh, it 452 00:16:12,590 --> 00:16:13,950 needed to be sort of like a dynamic 453 00:16:13,950 --> 00:16:17,770 structure, uh, that would then get serialized. 454 00:16:17,790 --> 00:16:19,770 And so I just, I'm like, I'm like, 455 00:16:19,790 --> 00:16:20,790 okay, I think I can do it this 456 00:16:20,790 --> 00:16:21,050 way. 457 00:16:21,330 --> 00:16:22,830 And I just got in there on my, 458 00:16:22,890 --> 00:16:23,950 I was actually on my phone and I 459 00:16:23,950 --> 00:16:28,350 was like, just write this, write a, write 460 00:16:28,350 --> 00:16:29,730 a, uh, function. 461 00:16:29,990 --> 00:16:31,310 Wait, what do you, what do you use 462 00:16:31,310 --> 00:16:32,430 on your phone to do that? 463 00:16:32,570 --> 00:16:34,230 What program, what app do you use to 464 00:16:34,230 --> 00:16:34,670 use? 465 00:16:35,550 --> 00:16:36,870 Oh, I see. 466 00:16:37,010 --> 00:16:37,410 Okay. 467 00:16:37,830 --> 00:16:38,230 Okay. 468 00:16:38,350 --> 00:16:38,610 Okay. 469 00:16:38,610 --> 00:16:38,890 Gotcha. 470 00:16:39,290 --> 00:16:41,370 And, uh, and I'm like, just write this 471 00:16:41,370 --> 00:16:41,910 in that. 472 00:16:43,010 --> 00:16:45,330 And then I'm like, okay, I'll figure out 473 00:16:45,330 --> 00:16:47,490 what it did later and if it's even 474 00:16:47,490 --> 00:16:47,890 useful. 475 00:16:48,650 --> 00:16:50,570 And then I'll figure out how to like 476 00:16:50,570 --> 00:16:52,950 mod take that because here's one thing I 477 00:16:52,950 --> 00:16:55,630 have found out with these coding LLMs is 478 00:16:55,630 --> 00:16:57,230 if you tell it to write a function, 479 00:16:58,350 --> 00:17:01,550 it is way better than if you tell 480 00:17:01,550 --> 00:17:03,069 it to write a whole piece of software 481 00:17:03,069 --> 00:17:05,230 or a whole script or something like that. 482 00:17:05,369 --> 00:17:06,829 Yeah, exactly. 483 00:17:07,190 --> 00:17:08,829 Because it has zero intelligence. 484 00:17:09,030 --> 00:17:10,710 It doesn't know how to string the pieces 485 00:17:10,710 --> 00:17:14,050 together that you as a beautifully made human 486 00:17:14,050 --> 00:17:15,210 can do in your head. 487 00:17:15,369 --> 00:17:16,829 And you could, even before you write it 488 00:17:16,829 --> 00:17:17,210 on paper. 489 00:17:17,430 --> 00:17:17,869 Absolutely. 490 00:17:19,349 --> 00:17:19,470 Yep. 491 00:17:20,270 --> 00:17:22,410 But, um, it's working. 492 00:17:22,410 --> 00:17:23,670 A hundred percent, a hundred percent. 493 00:17:24,910 --> 00:17:25,650 It's working. 494 00:17:25,910 --> 00:17:26,010 Okay. 495 00:17:26,050 --> 00:17:29,010 And it's keeping my ideas because I like 496 00:17:29,010 --> 00:17:30,590 the way open web UI works because it's 497 00:17:30,590 --> 00:17:32,230 got like sort of your list of things 498 00:17:32,230 --> 00:17:34,190 you've done and on the sidebar there. 499 00:17:34,790 --> 00:17:35,230 Hmm. 500 00:17:35,390 --> 00:17:35,630 Yeah. 501 00:17:35,730 --> 00:17:35,910 Yeah. 502 00:17:35,910 --> 00:17:36,110 Yeah. 503 00:17:36,110 --> 00:17:36,270 Yeah. 504 00:17:36,370 --> 00:17:37,830 The things you've asked it to do. 505 00:17:37,890 --> 00:17:38,070 Yeah. 506 00:17:38,110 --> 00:17:38,390 Sure. 507 00:17:39,310 --> 00:17:41,830 And this, I'll say like, uh, here's a, 508 00:17:42,130 --> 00:17:45,010 I need, uh, I'll give it a URL 509 00:17:45,010 --> 00:17:48,950 and say like based on this format of 510 00:17:48,950 --> 00:17:53,450 the podcasting, uh, namespace documentation for this tag, 511 00:17:53,850 --> 00:17:56,830 I want to write another tag that has 512 00:17:56,830 --> 00:17:59,830 these property that has these attributes and these, 513 00:17:59,970 --> 00:18:01,790 this possible node that, and, and, you know, 514 00:18:01,790 --> 00:18:03,310 just have it like spit out a thing 515 00:18:03,310 --> 00:18:04,950 where I can come back later and just 516 00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:06,390 have like a template ready to go. 517 00:18:06,490 --> 00:18:08,210 So that for that kind of stuff, I 518 00:18:08,210 --> 00:18:10,690 think it's like, it's actually helping my life, 519 00:18:10,690 --> 00:18:12,410 but I mean, we're only in week one, 520 00:18:12,470 --> 00:18:16,030 so who knows where that goes after this. 521 00:18:17,550 --> 00:18:21,350 I don't know, but it's, it's been an 522 00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:24,450 adventure and open web UI is, I think, 523 00:18:25,090 --> 00:18:27,090 I don't think I'll ever be paying for 524 00:18:27,090 --> 00:18:28,070 any of this stuff anymore. 525 00:18:28,490 --> 00:18:30,830 I mean, it's just not worth the money. 526 00:18:31,470 --> 00:18:32,830 It's so expensive. 527 00:18:33,710 --> 00:18:35,550 And, and I don't, I don't see what, 528 00:18:36,090 --> 00:18:38,230 I mean, I guess you could get some 529 00:18:38,230 --> 00:18:43,290 added value over like added value over stable 530 00:18:43,290 --> 00:18:45,450 diffusion for something like mid journey maybe. 531 00:18:45,830 --> 00:18:47,810 But even that, I mean, I was running 532 00:18:47,810 --> 00:18:50,370 stable diffusion locally and it's really good now, 533 00:18:50,810 --> 00:18:52,870 like own the local LLMs. It's a little 534 00:18:52,870 --> 00:18:53,250 slow. 535 00:18:53,870 --> 00:18:53,970 Sure. 536 00:18:54,070 --> 00:18:55,410 You know what I've been noticing? 537 00:18:55,690 --> 00:18:59,350 Um, cause I'm in a unique position with, 538 00:18:59,630 --> 00:19:01,930 uh, with no agenda, the no agenda art 539 00:19:01,930 --> 00:19:02,430 generator. 540 00:19:03,130 --> 00:19:03,410 Mm. 541 00:19:03,530 --> 00:19:04,990 So we get for every episode. 542 00:19:05,150 --> 00:19:07,930 So twice a week between 15 and 30 543 00:19:07,930 --> 00:19:12,010 submissions from art, which 90% sadly is 544 00:19:12,010 --> 00:19:13,230 now AI generated. 545 00:19:13,670 --> 00:19:16,910 The real artists, anyone who does Photoshop, they've 546 00:19:16,910 --> 00:19:18,850 gone, they don't even listen anymore. 547 00:19:18,970 --> 00:19:19,830 They've rage quit. 548 00:19:19,970 --> 00:19:20,730 They suck. 549 00:19:21,150 --> 00:19:21,970 Oh yeah. 550 00:19:22,550 --> 00:19:25,850 It's it's, it's, it is truly horrible. 551 00:19:26,850 --> 00:19:30,250 It's the saddest thing, but there it is. 552 00:19:30,650 --> 00:19:32,050 And you know, people are either like Darren 553 00:19:32,050 --> 00:19:34,110 O'Neill were convinced he's even submitting under 554 00:19:34,110 --> 00:19:37,030 a pseudonym because you know, we were, we 555 00:19:37,030 --> 00:19:38,710 were like angry at him for submitting too 556 00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:38,970 much. 557 00:19:39,030 --> 00:19:43,370 And what we're seeing is there's no more 558 00:19:43,370 --> 00:19:43,810 white. 559 00:19:43,950 --> 00:19:45,010 There's no more black. 560 00:19:45,490 --> 00:19:48,410 A lot more is now kind of cartoonish 561 00:19:48,410 --> 00:19:51,410 and I'm detecting model collapse. 562 00:19:51,570 --> 00:19:53,270 I think this is model collapse. 563 00:19:53,350 --> 00:19:56,070 I think it's, it's generating things based upon 564 00:19:56,070 --> 00:19:57,210 the stuff that's out there. 565 00:19:57,750 --> 00:19:59,190 And it's just degrading. 566 00:20:00,950 --> 00:20:02,970 I mean, I really think this is happening 567 00:20:02,970 --> 00:20:04,810 and this has to be happening with everything 568 00:20:04,810 --> 00:20:05,250 else. 569 00:20:06,010 --> 00:20:07,670 I think the problem is people are using 570 00:20:07,670 --> 00:20:11,690 this stuff in production and where, whereas like, 571 00:20:11,830 --> 00:20:16,150 so, you know, we're developing, uh, uh, this 572 00:20:16,150 --> 00:20:18,750 feature for Godcaster. 573 00:20:18,870 --> 00:20:22,330 And I needed some, some sample, just like, 574 00:20:22,430 --> 00:20:24,830 uh, call them what we have bumpers in, 575 00:20:24,990 --> 00:20:26,750 you know, audio inserts, whatever you want, just 576 00:20:26,750 --> 00:20:28,630 things like, you know, Hey, thanks for listening 577 00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:29,210 to the show. 578 00:20:29,250 --> 00:20:30,030 That kind of thing. 579 00:20:30,370 --> 00:20:31,810 So I needed some of those. 580 00:20:32,810 --> 00:20:35,410 And, um, and so I wanted to just, 581 00:20:35,790 --> 00:20:37,530 I'm like, I don't care what these really 582 00:20:37,530 --> 00:20:38,150 sound like. 583 00:20:38,150 --> 00:20:40,490 I just want to be able to tell 584 00:20:40,490 --> 00:20:41,090 them apart. 585 00:20:41,130 --> 00:20:44,030 I need something that says, uh, this is 586 00:20:44,030 --> 00:20:44,670 clip one. 587 00:20:44,750 --> 00:20:45,630 This is clip two. 588 00:20:45,810 --> 00:20:47,770 This is, you know, post-roll two, this 589 00:20:47,770 --> 00:20:48,690 is post-roll three. 590 00:20:48,870 --> 00:20:50,310 I just needed some of that kind of 591 00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:50,590 stuff. 592 00:20:50,970 --> 00:20:52,890 I liked your AI that you use for 593 00:20:52,890 --> 00:20:53,170 that. 594 00:20:53,870 --> 00:20:54,050 Yeah. 595 00:20:54,110 --> 00:20:56,050 And I'm like, okay, well just give me 596 00:20:56,050 --> 00:20:59,270 some sort of AI that can sound at 597 00:20:59,270 --> 00:21:04,010 least intelligible and, uh, you know, and, and 598 00:21:04,010 --> 00:21:05,850 give and just pump out a few of 599 00:21:05,850 --> 00:21:06,430 these things. 600 00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:06,870 Right. 601 00:21:07,050 --> 00:21:08,350 But they're only for testing. 602 00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:10,230 Like this is never going to go into 603 00:21:10,230 --> 00:21:11,350 any, right, right, right. 604 00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:13,310 But it's getting sucked up somewhere though. 605 00:21:14,030 --> 00:21:14,250 Yeah. 606 00:21:14,270 --> 00:21:16,070 And, and then P but people are putting 607 00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:19,210 this all over, you know, podcasts and everything, 608 00:21:19,210 --> 00:21:21,150 and then it just gets sucked right back 609 00:21:21,150 --> 00:21:24,090 into the model on the next, on the 610 00:21:24,090 --> 00:21:26,830 next go around at some point. 611 00:21:26,890 --> 00:21:28,850 I mean, it's, it's that it's classic model 612 00:21:28,850 --> 00:21:29,250 collapse. 613 00:21:29,310 --> 00:21:31,310 They're going to be training AI on AI 614 00:21:31,310 --> 00:21:33,990 output and none of it's labeled. 615 00:21:34,150 --> 00:21:37,610 So you don't know it's AI output, you 616 00:21:37,610 --> 00:21:37,850 know? 617 00:21:37,910 --> 00:21:39,410 So I don't know what, I mean, yeah, 618 00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:42,910 I totally believe that when, when, you know, 619 00:21:44,150 --> 00:21:48,410 you know that there's no way that this 620 00:21:48,410 --> 00:21:54,130 is not the case that Anthropic and OpenAI 621 00:21:54,130 --> 00:21:56,410 and Google and all of them have sucked 622 00:21:56,410 --> 00:21:58,750 up all of the artwork off NodeGen to 623 00:21:58,750 --> 00:21:59,190 ArtGenerator. 624 00:21:59,350 --> 00:21:59,490 Yep. 625 00:21:59,550 --> 00:22:01,170 Of course, of course they have. 626 00:22:01,250 --> 00:22:03,790 And they're sucking up AI art back into 627 00:22:03,790 --> 00:22:04,710 their AI model. 628 00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:05,250 Yep. 629 00:22:06,270 --> 00:22:06,430 Yep. 630 00:22:06,650 --> 00:22:08,730 It's entropy and motion. 631 00:22:08,910 --> 00:22:09,010 Yes. 632 00:22:09,090 --> 00:22:09,910 It's complete collapse. 633 00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:11,650 I mean, even if you just go look 634 00:22:11,650 --> 00:22:13,870 at it now, it's crazy. 635 00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:16,890 Like, oh no, you can see the degradation, 636 00:22:18,110 --> 00:22:19,530 the only, and of course it's all the 637 00:22:19,530 --> 00:22:20,150 free stuff. 638 00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:22,470 And then, you know, someone comes along and 639 00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:23,590 says, oh, there's this new model. 640 00:22:23,610 --> 00:22:25,010 And then they use that model and you 641 00:22:25,010 --> 00:22:25,930 see that degrade. 642 00:22:27,070 --> 00:22:29,230 It's, it's to me, it's just like, this 643 00:22:29,230 --> 00:22:30,670 is obviously happening. 644 00:22:31,550 --> 00:22:33,190 It's very obvious. 645 00:22:33,870 --> 00:22:35,070 Yeah, I agree, man. 646 00:22:35,210 --> 00:22:37,850 And then I'm like, oh man, thank you 647 00:22:37,850 --> 00:22:39,970 God that I know Dave Jones, someone who 648 00:22:39,970 --> 00:22:41,050 actually can code. 649 00:22:42,350 --> 00:22:43,950 No, you're going to be a coder by 650 00:22:43,950 --> 00:22:44,710 the time this is done. 651 00:22:44,770 --> 00:22:46,030 I'm going to be a Python expert. 652 00:22:46,150 --> 00:22:46,690 That's for sure. 653 00:22:46,790 --> 00:22:47,830 I'm really getting there. 654 00:22:48,050 --> 00:22:50,090 Once I get my brackets closing right. 655 00:22:51,010 --> 00:22:53,070 You're going to be pushing modules up to 656 00:22:53,070 --> 00:22:53,310 PIP. 657 00:22:56,290 --> 00:22:58,270 PIPX baby, because you know, PIP, you have 658 00:22:58,270 --> 00:23:01,810 all kinds of permission issues with, you're going 659 00:23:01,810 --> 00:23:04,350 to install this worldwide. 660 00:23:04,990 --> 00:23:05,710 Don't do it. 661 00:23:05,910 --> 00:23:07,430 Use PIPX or whatever. 662 00:23:07,690 --> 00:23:08,070 Oh yeah. 663 00:23:08,170 --> 00:23:08,410 That's right. 664 00:23:08,490 --> 00:23:08,750 You glow. 665 00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:09,590 Don't do global. 666 00:23:10,010 --> 00:23:10,110 Yeah. 667 00:23:10,270 --> 00:23:10,490 Yeah. 668 00:23:10,970 --> 00:23:12,010 Don't run as rude. 669 00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:12,510 Yeah. 670 00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:13,490 Don't run as rude. 671 00:23:15,470 --> 00:23:15,570 Yeah. 672 00:23:15,650 --> 00:23:21,730 I think like, I think like Rust, Rust 673 00:23:21,730 --> 00:23:25,230 is great in an LLM because for, I 674 00:23:25,230 --> 00:23:26,230 mean, not, it's not perfect. 675 00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:28,630 Nothing is, but it's one of the better 676 00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:30,690 languages for LLMs. I think because it's a 677 00:23:30,690 --> 00:23:32,230 very strict language. 678 00:23:32,790 --> 00:23:35,490 It's, it's a highly strict language. 679 00:23:35,970 --> 00:23:37,190 It's, it's strict. 680 00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:38,750 It uses strict typing. 681 00:23:39,210 --> 00:23:40,770 Like the nurse ratchet of languages. 682 00:23:41,270 --> 00:23:42,070 Yes, exactly. 683 00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:45,370 And the stricter the language, the better that 684 00:23:45,370 --> 00:23:47,630 LLMs can sort of handle it because it's 685 00:23:47,630 --> 00:23:49,470 just following a syntax at that point. 686 00:23:50,090 --> 00:23:52,490 But you know, and that's what they're good 687 00:23:52,490 --> 00:23:52,670 at. 688 00:23:52,730 --> 00:23:53,690 They're good at syntax. 689 00:23:54,450 --> 00:23:58,490 It's sort of like, uh, I don't know 690 00:23:58,490 --> 00:24:00,490 if you ever were, were a Dungeons and 691 00:24:00,490 --> 00:24:01,530 Dragons person, but. 692 00:24:02,070 --> 00:24:04,690 No, I would say there's no risk of 693 00:24:04,690 --> 00:24:05,370 me being that. 694 00:24:05,730 --> 00:24:06,170 Yeah. 695 00:24:06,270 --> 00:24:11,590 D so D and D fourth edition was 696 00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:14,710 considered to, you know, so what happens a 697 00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:16,510 lot of times with, with, with D and 698 00:24:16,510 --> 00:24:20,030 D is that video games will take the 699 00:24:20,030 --> 00:24:22,030 D and D rules and just use them 700 00:24:22,030 --> 00:24:24,450 as the, as the algorithm for the, for 701 00:24:24,450 --> 00:24:26,130 the game, for the video game. 702 00:24:26,770 --> 00:24:28,890 Well, D and D fourth edition was great 703 00:24:28,890 --> 00:24:32,010 for video games because it was very strict 704 00:24:32,010 --> 00:24:36,210 and very, uh, it's, there was a lot 705 00:24:36,210 --> 00:24:38,650 of stacking of rules that went on and, 706 00:24:38,750 --> 00:24:40,810 but humans found it very difficult. 707 00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:44,750 Um, because it was like this very complicated, 708 00:24:44,790 --> 00:24:49,170 uh, set of, um, like almost protocols that 709 00:24:49,170 --> 00:24:49,930 you had to follow. 710 00:24:50,990 --> 00:24:54,190 And, but, but video games were loved it, 711 00:24:54,250 --> 00:24:55,330 but humans didn't. 712 00:24:55,450 --> 00:24:57,510 And it seems like it's in, it seems 713 00:24:57,510 --> 00:24:59,850 like that's the way it is with LLMs. 714 00:24:59,930 --> 00:25:02,250 When it comes to coding, the stricter, the 715 00:25:02,250 --> 00:25:05,850 language, the farther you're going to get in 716 00:25:05,850 --> 00:25:07,690 a decent way with an LLM, if it's 717 00:25:07,690 --> 00:25:11,050 something like with not with non-strict typing, 718 00:25:11,210 --> 00:25:13,170 something like Python or PHP or something like 719 00:25:13,170 --> 00:25:15,010 that, it's just going to run off the 720 00:25:15,010 --> 00:25:18,190 rails so fast or JavaScript, you know, you're, 721 00:25:18,270 --> 00:25:19,770 you're, you're gonna, at some point, you're just 722 00:25:19,770 --> 00:25:21,250 going to fall off a cliff once it 723 00:25:21,250 --> 00:25:25,010 gets complicated, complex enough, because then you just 724 00:25:25,010 --> 00:25:27,270 can't even, you can't even follow the return 725 00:25:27,270 --> 00:25:28,330 values correctly. 726 00:25:29,090 --> 00:25:29,250 Yeah. 727 00:25:30,610 --> 00:25:31,350 It was a mess. 728 00:25:32,550 --> 00:25:36,700 Well, there you have it. 729 00:25:37,020 --> 00:25:39,100 Daniel says the last time Adam learned to 730 00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:40,420 code, he invented podcasting. 731 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,540 And now, thank you. 732 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:43,380 There's a point there. 733 00:25:43,460 --> 00:25:45,200 That was, that was Apple script, the most 734 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,460 undocumented scripting language in history. 735 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,760 Could never, could never find a somewhere where 736 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:51,820 it told me how to do it. 737 00:25:54,050 --> 00:25:55,710 Well, I mean, that's not that much different 738 00:25:55,710 --> 00:25:59,410 than Apple's iTunes namespace, which leads to a 739 00:25:59,410 --> 00:26:00,170 404 page. 740 00:26:00,810 --> 00:26:00,910 Really? 741 00:26:01,590 --> 00:26:01,990 Yeah. 742 00:26:02,270 --> 00:26:04,170 Oh, by the way, you know, we, we've 743 00:26:04,170 --> 00:26:05,630 been talking about this on no agenda. 744 00:26:05,730 --> 00:26:07,770 Oh, big news, big news, everybody. 745 00:26:08,130 --> 00:26:08,270 Okay. 746 00:26:08,350 --> 00:26:09,410 This is fantastic. 747 00:26:10,330 --> 00:26:11,030 No agenda. 748 00:26:11,550 --> 00:26:13,990 We'll very soon as, as soon as the 749 00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:19,670 strike business wallet, whatever thing is approved, we 750 00:26:19,670 --> 00:26:22,230 will be accepting streaming payments and boosts. 751 00:26:23,070 --> 00:26:23,170 Finally. 752 00:26:23,970 --> 00:26:26,050 And the way all these years, the way 753 00:26:26,050 --> 00:26:28,350 this went down is amazing because, you know, 754 00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:31,290 Dvorak, he just never wanted Bitcoin to touch 755 00:26:31,290 --> 00:26:33,550 our LLC, LLC, LLC. 756 00:26:33,910 --> 00:26:35,490 That's like LLM, LLC. 757 00:26:35,630 --> 00:26:36,930 Where am I? 758 00:26:37,610 --> 00:26:39,210 Oh, you know, we don't want any tax 759 00:26:39,210 --> 00:26:39,590 issues. 760 00:26:40,110 --> 00:26:40,590 Right. 761 00:26:41,570 --> 00:26:45,110 And so there's, you know, and I've been 762 00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:46,610 telling him for years, like, look, there's all 763 00:26:46,610 --> 00:26:47,870 this legit stuff now. 764 00:26:48,110 --> 00:26:49,670 And then, you know, Trump became president. 765 00:26:49,870 --> 00:26:50,730 And a part of it, I think, is 766 00:26:50,730 --> 00:26:52,530 Dvorak's just mad that every single time I 767 00:26:52,530 --> 00:26:54,810 told him to buy Bitcoin, he didn't. 768 00:26:54,910 --> 00:26:57,010 Even when I told him at $30,000, 769 00:26:57,330 --> 00:26:58,270 I said, buy a Bitcoin. 770 00:26:58,870 --> 00:27:00,410 If you lose money, I'll pay you the 771 00:27:00,410 --> 00:27:00,810 difference. 772 00:27:01,690 --> 00:27:02,750 You know, so what do we got? 773 00:27:03,270 --> 00:27:03,630 105. 774 00:27:04,010 --> 00:27:04,750 So he's just mad. 775 00:27:04,810 --> 00:27:06,750 He's mad in general, just mad. 776 00:27:07,330 --> 00:27:09,030 He's very sour about it. 777 00:27:11,890 --> 00:27:14,250 And so, you know, when Strike came out 778 00:27:14,250 --> 00:27:17,330 and then Strike was accepting, you know, payments 779 00:27:17,330 --> 00:27:22,570 from Fountain through Ellen URL, I'm like, OK, 780 00:27:22,930 --> 00:27:23,530 this works. 781 00:27:23,670 --> 00:27:24,430 It's legit. 782 00:27:24,510 --> 00:27:25,890 You can send it to the bank account 783 00:27:25,890 --> 00:27:27,270 on the same day it comes in. 784 00:27:27,330 --> 00:27:27,970 You can sell it. 785 00:27:28,010 --> 00:27:28,990 They keep track of it. 786 00:27:29,090 --> 00:27:30,630 You know, there'll be no capital gains. 787 00:27:30,690 --> 00:27:31,570 You sell it right away. 788 00:27:31,670 --> 00:27:32,330 It's all going to be OK. 789 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:37,640 It's going to be OK. 790 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:43,300 Then, bless his heart, some producer pops up 791 00:27:43,300 --> 00:27:44,680 and says, oh, hold on a second, Dave. 792 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,600 This has been happening more often with... 793 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:49,780 We're not recording. 794 00:27:49,980 --> 00:27:50,400 No, we're not. 795 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:51,260 No, we're recording. 796 00:27:51,500 --> 00:27:53,680 But CleanFeed, from time to time, just decides 797 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,080 to just change interfaces. 798 00:27:57,500 --> 00:27:58,880 I heard the switch. 799 00:27:58,880 --> 00:27:59,640 You heard the switch? 800 00:27:59,760 --> 00:27:59,980 Yeah. 801 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:01,780 And we're back. 802 00:28:03,820 --> 00:28:07,300 So it just decides to hold on a 803 00:28:07,300 --> 00:28:07,440 second. 804 00:28:07,540 --> 00:28:08,340 What is going on here? 805 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,120 This is this is very bad. 806 00:28:17,020 --> 00:28:21,580 So some producer sends an email, says, hey, 807 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,260 I want to I want to send a 808 00:28:24,260 --> 00:28:25,040 big donation. 809 00:28:25,460 --> 00:28:26,340 You know, like I think we have the 810 00:28:26,340 --> 00:28:27,680 Ph.D. promotion running. 811 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:28,660 That was a thousand bucks. 812 00:28:29,500 --> 00:28:30,840 And he says, but I want to send 813 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:31,460 it in Bitcoin. 814 00:28:33,020 --> 00:28:34,320 So I say, hold on. 815 00:28:34,380 --> 00:28:36,100 So I forward this email to Dvorak. 816 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,560 Now, he once told I'm going to have 817 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,180 to out this guy because otherwise the story 818 00:28:40,180 --> 00:28:40,660 is no good. 819 00:28:41,300 --> 00:28:42,460 Tom Merritt. 820 00:28:42,580 --> 00:28:43,520 We know Tom Merritt. 821 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:45,780 What's his tech show called again? 822 00:28:46,900 --> 00:28:49,920 Is it just Daily Tech News or something 823 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:50,360 like that? 824 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:51,200 I think it is. 825 00:28:51,380 --> 00:28:52,560 Tech Today or something. 826 00:28:54,420 --> 00:28:57,180 So years ago, years and years ago, Dvorak 827 00:28:57,180 --> 00:28:59,180 was talking about the value for value model. 828 00:29:00,100 --> 00:29:02,180 And he says, you know, we take checks, 829 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,920 we take cash, we take gold coins, we'll 830 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,000 take whatever, whatever, whatever people want to send 831 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:07,160 us. 832 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,060 And Tom Merritt famously said, oh, no, I 833 00:29:10,060 --> 00:29:11,420 don't want to take checks. 834 00:29:11,580 --> 00:29:13,080 Oh, no, that just feels wrong. 835 00:29:13,940 --> 00:29:15,320 And so we'd always laugh about that. 836 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:16,340 So what's wrong with that? 837 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:17,560 Checks are fantastic. 838 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,740 We have a whole stack of three dollar 839 00:29:19,740 --> 00:29:20,540 checks from people. 840 00:29:20,660 --> 00:29:21,220 It's fantastic. 841 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,040 And so I put in this email, you 842 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,240 don't want to be the modern day version 843 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:27,520 of Tom Merritt, do you? 844 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:29,900 Boom, boom. 845 00:29:30,300 --> 00:29:32,520 He went right for it, went approved. 846 00:29:32,620 --> 00:29:33,360 Good to go. 847 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,820 That's the best part of that story. 848 00:29:37,100 --> 00:29:37,540 Exactly. 849 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,640 So that's going to happen. 850 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,940 Such a simple like it's such a simple. 851 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:49,560 So a friend of ours, he he's like 852 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,000 he's a how would you describe what he 853 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:53,180 does? 854 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:53,860 He's like a. 855 00:29:54,540 --> 00:29:55,560 Do I know this friend? 856 00:29:56,220 --> 00:29:57,060 No, no, no, no. 857 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,160 A friend of mine and Melissa. 858 00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:58,760 Oh, OK. 859 00:29:59,060 --> 00:30:02,640 He he he's like he's like a counselor, 860 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:03,520 a therapist guy. 861 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,260 But he went but he did sort of 862 00:30:07,260 --> 00:30:09,500 like his I don't know what they call 863 00:30:09,500 --> 00:30:12,040 this, not residency, but he did his his 864 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,960 initial work out of school at a like 865 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,260 a substance abuse recovery center. 866 00:30:18,940 --> 00:30:22,080 And he said he'd been talking to this 867 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,600 guy for just, you know, for like a 868 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:24,340 couple of weeks. 869 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,520 They just just not clicking, not getting through. 870 00:30:29,180 --> 00:30:31,440 And he finally said one day he was 871 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,760 talking to him and he was like he's 872 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:34,640 like, man. 873 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,820 He told him he was like, you're just 874 00:30:37,820 --> 00:30:38,620 a train wreck. 875 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,060 And he said the guy just like stopped 876 00:30:42,060 --> 00:30:43,620 and just like dropped his head. 877 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,360 And he's like, yeah, yeah, I am a 878 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:46,920 train wreck. 879 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,680 And from then on, it's like changed the 880 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:50,240 guy's life. 881 00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:52,840 And he just it works. 882 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:53,680 Yeah, it works. 883 00:30:53,740 --> 00:30:54,180 It works. 884 00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:56,280 Just this one little statement, this one little 885 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:57,740 sort of cliche, you know, cliche. 886 00:30:57,900 --> 00:30:59,000 You don't want to be the next Tom 887 00:30:59,000 --> 00:30:59,220 Merritt. 888 00:30:59,340 --> 00:31:00,380 OK, you got me done. 889 00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:01,020 We're done. 890 00:31:01,700 --> 00:31:04,440 So my point was, so we've been talking 891 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,640 about all these complaints about Apple's update, updating 892 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,480 policy or their polling or whatever they're doing 893 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,740 for podcasts to get into. 894 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,880 To get into the before they surface on 895 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,440 on Apple, on the Apple podcast app. 896 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,100 And after we had this conversation last time, 897 00:31:27,180 --> 00:31:29,100 which you'll remember fondly, I'm sure. 898 00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:32,120 Oh, yeah, I've thought about it all week. 899 00:31:32,380 --> 00:31:33,340 Yeah, right. 900 00:31:34,540 --> 00:31:36,960 In fact, Spurlock posted. 901 00:31:38,060 --> 00:31:39,680 Right after the show, and if you saw 902 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,080 that he posted because we were talking about 903 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,300 Megyn Kelly, let me see if I can 904 00:31:44,300 --> 00:31:46,320 find that on a post about Jake Tapper. 905 00:31:46,540 --> 00:31:47,680 Yeah, no, no, no. 906 00:31:48,620 --> 00:31:49,520 Chuck Todd. 907 00:31:50,340 --> 00:31:50,860 That's it. 908 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:51,240 I got him. 909 00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:53,000 Let me see if I can find it. 910 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,820 Spurlock, you post a lot. 911 00:31:56,660 --> 00:31:56,980 He does. 912 00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:58,400 Yeah. 913 00:31:58,460 --> 00:32:00,900 So it was it was it's so funny. 914 00:32:00,940 --> 00:32:01,920 I wish I could find it quickly. 915 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,440 So Chuck Todd on the Todd Chuck Todd 916 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,820 cast, he said, he's like, you know, the 917 00:32:08,820 --> 00:32:11,920 if anyone knows any of the engineers over 918 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,080 over at Apple, I really, really do. 919 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,320 I just pasted it into the. 920 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,200 Oh, you got into the boardroom. 921 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:20,620 You got it. 922 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:20,880 OK. 923 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,360 And let me play it so people can 924 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:23,560 hear it, because it's pretty funny. 925 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:24,440 Here we go. 926 00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:25,900 Got all these things. 927 00:32:25,940 --> 00:32:27,140 You can hear us anywhere you want. 928 00:32:27,260 --> 00:32:29,260 YouTube, we'd love for you to subscribe to 929 00:32:29,260 --> 00:32:29,760 the channel. 930 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,740 Everything else, Spotify, Apple, you name it. 931 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,440 And if Apple isn't uploading right away, automatically 932 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,540 help us inform Apple that they're messed up. 933 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:40,660 This has been an issue. 934 00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:42,900 Luckily, apparently we're not the only podcast with 935 00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:43,340 this issue. 936 00:32:43,460 --> 00:32:45,520 But please feel free to let the engineering 937 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,060 team know themselves. 938 00:32:47,220 --> 00:32:48,880 Hey, Apple, you've got a problem. 939 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:49,740 We've done it. 940 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,200 Maybe they'll be responsive to a little more 941 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,040 responsive to you. 942 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:54,520 Yeah, sure. 943 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:55,480 So with that work. 944 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:56,240 Yeah. 945 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,100 So what's engineering team at Apple dot com. 946 00:32:59,240 --> 00:32:59,380 Right. 947 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,460 So what's interesting is that he also says, 948 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:02,840 hey, they haven't uploaded it yet. 949 00:33:02,940 --> 00:33:05,020 And you can't expect people to understand how 950 00:33:05,020 --> 00:33:05,540 it works. 951 00:33:06,220 --> 00:33:08,620 You know, they just they just don't know. 952 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,580 And I and I know there's a lot 953 00:33:12,580 --> 00:33:13,740 of people listening to Noah Jenner. 954 00:33:13,820 --> 00:33:15,940 I said, stop being so arrogant. 955 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,160 Just use pod ping, just use it. 956 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,320 Hundreds of thousands of podcasts use this jump 957 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,560 on the pod ping train, baby. 958 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,680 Get on the tracks with us. 959 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,120 It is so and it'll cost you nothing. 960 00:33:34,220 --> 00:33:35,300 It'll save you money. 961 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:36,620 You don't have to you don't have to 962 00:33:36,620 --> 00:33:37,200 do anything. 963 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,020 Try it out for a little bit. 964 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,320 You know, just what is the what is 965 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,700 the the script called or whatever we have 966 00:33:45,700 --> 00:33:47,240 the the ping catcher? 967 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:47,940 What's it called? 968 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,080 Oh, Hive Watcher, Hive Watcher, whatever it is, 969 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,540 you know, just go to pod ping dot 970 00:33:55,540 --> 00:33:56,120 cloud. 971 00:33:56,540 --> 00:33:58,400 You can get it from anywhere. 972 00:33:58,980 --> 00:34:00,800 Just just do it. 973 00:34:01,180 --> 00:34:02,680 You're wasting resources. 974 00:34:03,140 --> 00:34:05,100 Your customers are getting angry at you. 975 00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:07,560 And I guarantee you, you will love it. 976 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,480 And you'll and you'll and you can then 977 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,520 go out and market and say we update 978 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:12,679 quicker than Spotify. 979 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,520 And that's the raspberry on the end. 980 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:17,940 Right. 981 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,980 So when he is, you know, when when 982 00:34:22,980 --> 00:34:24,580 he posted that, I went and looked up 983 00:34:24,580 --> 00:34:26,920 his podcast, the Chuck Todd cast. 984 00:34:27,060 --> 00:34:27,460 Oh, goodness. 985 00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:31,780 And it's it's pushed out through Simplecast. 986 00:34:32,340 --> 00:34:33,520 That's his hosting company. 987 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:34,280 Oh, Simplecast. 988 00:34:34,380 --> 00:34:35,980 Do they use pod ping? 989 00:34:37,340 --> 00:34:38,480 I do not know. 990 00:34:38,940 --> 00:34:42,580 They do declare the podcast namespace, which almost 991 00:34:42,580 --> 00:34:43,760 everyone does now. 992 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,600 I mean, I don't know if anybody has 993 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,920 looked recently, but the podcast namespace is ubiquitous. 994 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,880 I mean, it's love that it's almost every 995 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,560 single major hosting company. 996 00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:56,280 Oh, I didn't even realize that's awesome. 997 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:56,780 That is. 998 00:34:56,900 --> 00:35:01,140 I mean, there's it's so broad, broadly defined 999 00:35:01,140 --> 00:35:05,380 now, which is fantastic because that sets the 1000 00:35:05,380 --> 00:35:09,740 stage for, you know, in so many things 1001 00:35:09,740 --> 00:35:13,320 that we can do that getting over that 1002 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:14,680 hump is so difficult. 1003 00:35:15,020 --> 00:35:16,860 And I will be forever grateful. 1004 00:35:17,860 --> 00:35:21,520 For, you know, for the for the early 1005 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,500 believers in this Sprout RSS dot com and 1006 00:35:25,500 --> 00:35:25,880 blueberry. 1007 00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:26,620 Yes. 1008 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,240 That jumped on board and declared the name 1009 00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:30,940 the namespace in their feeds. 1010 00:35:32,100 --> 00:35:36,760 Red Circle, you know, cast transistor. 1011 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:40,500 Captivate. 1012 00:35:40,620 --> 00:35:43,040 I mean, just all the early all the 1013 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,820 very early ones that had large catalogs of 1014 00:35:45,820 --> 00:35:47,500 podcasts that jumped on this. 1015 00:35:49,260 --> 00:35:51,380 I just I'll never be able to say 1016 00:35:51,380 --> 00:35:52,440 thank you enough for them. 1017 00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:53,080 But. 1018 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,500 So Simplecast declares the namespace. 1019 00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:00,360 But I can't tell whether they use pod 1020 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,060 ping or not, I just haven't looked. 1021 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,440 I would need to, like, strain that out 1022 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:05,780 a little bit and be able to check 1023 00:36:05,780 --> 00:36:07,580 if any of those are coming through. 1024 00:36:07,980 --> 00:36:08,880 And I just haven't yet. 1025 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,600 But but the thing about it is. 1026 00:36:12,620 --> 00:36:16,100 If Apple were to start watching pod ping. 1027 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,600 And and then publicly said. 1028 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,420 That they were if they announced that they 1029 00:36:24,420 --> 00:36:25,620 were going to do it. 1030 00:36:27,260 --> 00:36:27,900 Instantly. 1031 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,480 You would have like. 1032 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,540 20 other hosts jump on board and start 1033 00:36:33,540 --> 00:36:36,200 doing this, of course, because it would have 1034 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,820 a motivating effect. 1035 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:38,200 Yes. 1036 00:36:38,260 --> 00:36:40,820 And so they would get the benefit of 1037 00:36:40,820 --> 00:36:42,940 like if you look at it, if they 1038 00:36:42,940 --> 00:36:44,320 look at it and say, well, there's, you 1039 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,360 know, this many feeds out of our catalog 1040 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,560 are are sending pod pings when they update. 1041 00:36:50,780 --> 00:36:52,900 And it's, you know, I don't know, 25 1042 00:36:52,900 --> 00:36:53,920 percent or whatever. 1043 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,120 Well, you can just at least double that 1044 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,440 instantly. 1045 00:36:58,640 --> 00:36:59,080 Instantly. 1046 00:36:59,320 --> 00:36:59,780 I agree. 1047 00:36:59,780 --> 00:37:02,900 Half your catalog is is is pod pinging 1048 00:37:02,900 --> 00:37:03,360 immediately. 1049 00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:05,640 Because it's so easy. 1050 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,300 It's only one get request. 1051 00:37:07,460 --> 00:37:08,140 That's it. 1052 00:37:09,340 --> 00:37:10,960 One get request per what? 1053 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:12,640 Per feed update. 1054 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:13,960 Oh, right, right, right, right. 1055 00:37:14,660 --> 00:37:15,980 But I mean, they don't have to do 1056 00:37:15,980 --> 00:37:16,860 a get request. 1057 00:37:16,980 --> 00:37:18,500 They just have to get on the hose. 1058 00:37:18,620 --> 00:37:18,820 Right. 1059 00:37:18,860 --> 00:37:20,500 Just open their mouth and let it stream 1060 00:37:20,500 --> 00:37:20,800 in. 1061 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,000 Oh, isn't that how it works? 1062 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:25,500 Get on the hose. 1063 00:37:25,620 --> 00:37:26,420 Get on the hose. 1064 00:37:26,420 --> 00:37:27,120 Get on the hose. 1065 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:27,560 Apple. 1066 00:37:28,060 --> 00:37:29,480 Apple, get on the hose. 1067 00:37:30,020 --> 00:37:30,620 If if. 1068 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:31,220 Yeah. 1069 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:32,460 And Captain Sweatpants is right. 1070 00:37:32,540 --> 00:37:34,520 If Apple supported it, Lipson would even support 1071 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:34,620 it. 1072 00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:34,920 That is. 1073 00:37:34,980 --> 00:37:35,420 Oh, yes. 1074 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:36,380 That's right. 1075 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:36,820 Yeah. 1076 00:37:37,060 --> 00:37:37,840 And then you know what? 1077 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,620 Overcast would still not be a part of 1078 00:37:39,620 --> 00:37:39,840 it. 1079 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:40,800 No. 1080 00:37:41,340 --> 00:37:42,920 You know, he'll never do that, but that's 1081 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:43,160 OK. 1082 00:37:43,660 --> 00:37:45,260 But of course you can do whatever you 1083 00:37:45,260 --> 00:37:45,700 want. 1084 00:37:47,740 --> 00:37:50,380 Yeah, because we saw that with transcripts as 1085 00:37:50,380 --> 00:37:52,980 soon as Apple said we support transcripts. 1086 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:53,980 Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. 1087 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:56,620 Tons of support just popped up. 1088 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,920 I'm seeing I'm seeing a lot of buzzsprout. 1089 00:38:00,820 --> 00:38:01,560 On piping. 1090 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:02,260 Spreaker. 1091 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:03,400 Spreaker does a lot. 1092 00:38:03,540 --> 00:38:03,700 Yeah. 1093 00:38:04,140 --> 00:38:05,460 Spreaker has a lot of stuff. 1094 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,860 It would you would have to filter out 1095 00:38:07,860 --> 00:38:10,020 to see the simple if Simplecast is sending 1096 00:38:10,020 --> 00:38:10,200 because. 1097 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:10,640 It's too small. 1098 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:11,300 It's too small. 1099 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:12,000 Yeah. 1100 00:38:12,140 --> 00:38:13,240 It's just going to get buried in the 1101 00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:13,600 noise. 1102 00:38:14,540 --> 00:38:16,060 Their catalog's not big enough. 1103 00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:16,480 Yeah. 1104 00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:20,860 We need to we need to talk about 1105 00:38:20,860 --> 00:38:21,900 Castamatic. 1106 00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:23,900 OK, let's talk about Castamatic. 1107 00:38:24,780 --> 00:38:27,120 Because speaking of podping, because Franco. 1108 00:38:28,780 --> 00:38:33,980 Somehow has put together a way to support 1109 00:38:33,980 --> 00:38:36,280 live in a podcast app that does not 1110 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:37,280 have a back end. 1111 00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:39,660 It's magical. 1112 00:38:40,140 --> 00:38:42,940 So he must be using podping technology. 1113 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:44,760 He owed for sure. 1114 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:45,100 Yeah. 1115 00:38:45,420 --> 00:38:45,520 Yeah. 1116 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:46,160 Absolutely. 1117 00:38:46,780 --> 00:38:50,160 And so I guess the only thing I 1118 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:54,360 can think of is he's he's spun up 1119 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,220 a push notification server because this is iOS 1120 00:38:57,220 --> 00:38:57,760 only. 1121 00:38:58,740 --> 00:38:59,800 And I'm going to try. 1122 00:39:00,020 --> 00:39:01,880 So we need to get him on the 1123 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,080 show to talk about it. 1124 00:39:03,980 --> 00:39:07,700 But he has a conflict every time we 1125 00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:10,740 record the board meeting because of his day 1126 00:39:10,740 --> 00:39:11,560 job and everything. 1127 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:12,480 Yeah. 1128 00:39:12,580 --> 00:39:13,760 So we may have to do a boardroom 1129 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:14,580 after dark. 1130 00:39:15,700 --> 00:39:16,980 Is he saving lives? 1131 00:39:17,140 --> 00:39:18,400 Stop that, doctor. 1132 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:19,620 Yeah. 1133 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,220 I mean, that that that guy's been sick 1134 00:39:22,220 --> 00:39:22,860 for a long time. 1135 00:39:22,900 --> 00:39:23,680 He'll still be there. 1136 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,120 Yeah, that guy will be sick tomorrow. 1137 00:39:26,260 --> 00:39:26,840 Don't worry about it. 1138 00:39:26,860 --> 00:39:27,000 Yeah. 1139 00:39:29,500 --> 00:39:32,580 But I'll I'll coordinate with him to see 1140 00:39:32,580 --> 00:39:33,620 what time we can get him on. 1141 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,160 But I'm assuming that he would that he 1142 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,720 spun up a push notification server that's watching 1143 00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:42,980 the podping, you know, Hive Watcher come through 1144 00:39:42,980 --> 00:39:45,440 because it worked like a charm yesterday on 1145 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:45,900 no agenda. 1146 00:39:46,340 --> 00:39:47,020 Oh, cool. 1147 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:48,140 Yeah. 1148 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:48,480 Boom. 1149 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:49,420 There it is. 1150 00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:50,740 Oh, I need to check. 1151 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,360 Actually, I need to check and see if 1152 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,200 it came through on my phone today when 1153 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:55,900 we went live. 1154 00:39:58,740 --> 00:40:00,060 Oh, I don't have my phone with me. 1155 00:40:00,100 --> 00:40:00,440 Dang it. 1156 00:40:00,860 --> 00:40:02,780 Did anybody did anybody see anybody in the 1157 00:40:02,780 --> 00:40:05,160 boardroom see if if it came through on 1158 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:05,880 Castamatic today? 1159 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:07,500 Because. 1160 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,760 I mean, that's. 1161 00:40:10,620 --> 00:40:12,900 That's pretty that's a big deal for him 1162 00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:15,240 because he just does not have he's not 1163 00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:18,560 like like true fans, pocket cast. 1164 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,960 Fountain, I mean, they all have a pretty 1165 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,680 extensive back end infrastructure that they can depend 1166 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,080 on to just roll out things like that, 1167 00:40:28,580 --> 00:40:29,340 but he doesn't. 1168 00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:30,620 And. 1169 00:40:31,780 --> 00:40:33,600 You know, that's that's a big and it's 1170 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,600 more than just it's more than just podping 1171 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,160 is podping and live. 1172 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,080 So it took a lot of engineering. 1173 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:41,920 So I want to I want to I 1174 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,540 want to get him on and we'll see 1175 00:40:43,540 --> 00:40:45,760 what exactly what he did for sure. 1176 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,100 So that's a template for others, you know, 1177 00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:50,420 since our and now he's still having issues 1178 00:40:50,420 --> 00:40:53,620 with the LN URL because there's no wallet 1179 00:40:53,620 --> 00:40:55,560 available in Italy that does it, if I 1180 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:56,000 understand. 1181 00:40:56,780 --> 00:40:57,160 Correct. 1182 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:57,560 Yes. 1183 00:40:58,140 --> 00:40:58,320 Yeah. 1184 00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:59,060 That kind of sucks. 1185 00:41:00,260 --> 00:41:00,480 Yeah. 1186 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,120 Well, did you see that block is rolling 1187 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,260 out lightning payments to all their square terminals? 1188 00:41:07,260 --> 00:41:08,180 Why does it not? 1189 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:09,960 Why does it not surprise me? 1190 00:41:10,740 --> 00:41:12,440 All their square point of sale terminals. 1191 00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:14,160 I think I said this would happen. 1192 00:41:15,300 --> 00:41:15,780 Yeah. 1193 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:16,020 Yeah. 1194 00:41:16,340 --> 00:41:17,800 It's like it's inevitable. 1195 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,200 Everybody wants this. 1196 00:41:19,340 --> 00:41:20,460 Everybody wants this. 1197 00:41:20,540 --> 00:41:22,260 They all want the cheap way to send 1198 00:41:22,260 --> 00:41:22,460 it. 1199 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,360 Everyone's you know, Bitcoin is interesting now. 1200 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,120 Everyone's everyone's on board with it. 1201 00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:29,800 You know, it's it's it's inevitable. 1202 00:41:30,020 --> 00:41:30,600 It's going to happen. 1203 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:31,740 It's beautiful. 1204 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,580 I mean, this WhatsApp group of all things, 1205 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:38,660 I needed that in my life. 1206 00:41:39,060 --> 00:41:41,540 I already feel sorry for you and the 1207 00:41:41,540 --> 00:41:42,420 WhatsApp group. 1208 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,560 I don't know how I got invited, you 1209 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,240 know, because what's I really have WhatsApp just 1210 00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:48,200 for my European friends and my daughter and 1211 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,320 my family, because no one there uses SMS 1212 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:52,080 text messaging. 1213 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:52,920 It's all WhatsApp. 1214 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,180 And it's the podcast discourse hub. 1215 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,540 And dude, it's like it should be renamed 1216 00:42:01,540 --> 00:42:04,500 to podcast, industrial complex. 1217 00:42:06,380 --> 00:42:10,240 Backroom headquarters, backroom, backroom, backroom, back channel. 1218 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,040 And it seems like just looking at the 1219 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:15,560 you know, and I pipe in from time 1220 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,100 to time saying you guys suck. 1221 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:18,620 You know, I just jump in there, you 1222 00:42:18,620 --> 00:42:20,840 know, you know, good. 1223 00:42:21,020 --> 00:42:22,440 You don't appreciate me. 1224 00:42:22,460 --> 00:42:23,660 You know, stuff like that. 1225 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:24,020 Yeah. 1226 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,080 There's Adam again to set the watch. 1227 00:42:27,580 --> 00:42:30,220 They're like, you know, podcasting 2.0 is 1228 00:42:30,220 --> 00:42:30,840 no marketing. 1229 00:42:31,180 --> 00:42:31,900 It's no good. 1230 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,040 It's just a bunch of people running around 1231 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,580 with ideas and running with scissors. 1232 00:42:35,780 --> 00:42:36,740 Yeah, that's exactly right. 1233 00:42:36,860 --> 00:42:38,700 And I have to remind people, hey, we 1234 00:42:38,700 --> 00:42:39,580 set up the index. 1235 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,220 Everything else came to us. 1236 00:42:41,340 --> 00:42:43,440 We didn't set Dave that at any point 1237 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,780 we set out to, hey, man, let's market 1238 00:42:45,780 --> 00:42:46,800 new podcasting. 1239 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:47,680 Did we ever do that? 1240 00:42:48,420 --> 00:42:49,400 No, no. 1241 00:42:49,860 --> 00:42:51,920 We just decided that, hey, people are interested 1242 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,200 and we just picked up the ball. 1243 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:55,960 So when we kind of get accused of 1244 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,680 not doing it right, I'm like, huh? 1245 00:42:58,860 --> 00:43:00,460 What did we not do right this time? 1246 00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:04,040 Anyway, and so maybe I misinterpreted, but I 1247 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,180 just need to go in there once in 1248 00:43:05,180 --> 00:43:06,560 a while, say you guys are no good. 1249 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,860 But they're all talking about HLS. 1250 00:43:10,820 --> 00:43:12,720 This is this is really sparked. 1251 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,820 Everyone is all about HLS. 1252 00:43:14,820 --> 00:43:16,860 They're all trying to figure out, can we 1253 00:43:16,860 --> 00:43:17,560 do video? 1254 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,660 And I just want to say once again, 1255 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,640 why don't waste your time? 1256 00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:24,940 It's really it's I just I think it's 1257 00:43:24,940 --> 00:43:25,880 a waste of time. 1258 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:27,860 I really do. 1259 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,200 I, you know, I know so many people 1260 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:31,880 who have started. 1261 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,680 Video podcasts on RSS and it just doesn't 1262 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:38,160 work. 1263 00:43:39,420 --> 00:43:40,200 I mean, it works. 1264 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,200 Technically it works, but people are not going 1265 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:43,780 there. 1266 00:43:44,580 --> 00:43:46,620 They want that's their audio experience. 1267 00:43:46,780 --> 00:43:47,740 I'm just going to say it. 1268 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,240 You know, yeah, a podcast is anything as 1269 00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:50,760 an enclosure. 1270 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,320 And I completely agree with that. 1271 00:43:52,660 --> 00:43:56,340 But from a market perspective, do a podcast. 1272 00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,720 And if you want to have video, just 1273 00:43:58,720 --> 00:43:59,540 throw it on YouTube. 1274 00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:01,080 You get what you get. 1275 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,300 You know, it's like it's it's a waste 1276 00:44:04,300 --> 00:44:04,700 of time. 1277 00:44:04,860 --> 00:44:08,200 Joe Rogan, he started with audio. 1278 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:09,440 He still does audio. 1279 00:44:09,820 --> 00:44:11,440 Audio is still the main driver. 1280 00:44:11,820 --> 00:44:13,500 He only gets like a million views a 1281 00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:14,820 show now on YouTube. 1282 00:44:15,340 --> 00:44:16,080 It's not that much. 1283 00:44:16,180 --> 00:44:18,700 I'm sure there's another million over there on 1284 00:44:18,700 --> 00:44:19,200 Spotify. 1285 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,460 And, you know, this no one all the 1286 00:44:23,460 --> 00:44:26,860 people I've analyzed and looked at, they rarely 1287 00:44:26,860 --> 00:44:28,080 even watch the whole show. 1288 00:44:28,180 --> 00:44:29,960 They're looking at the shorts, they're looking at 1289 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,180 the clips, they're looking at the edits, you 1290 00:44:32,180 --> 00:44:33,920 know, people pull out the best parts. 1291 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:35,960 That's the YouTube thing. 1292 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:37,160 Just give into it. 1293 00:44:37,220 --> 00:44:37,700 That's YouTube. 1294 00:44:38,260 --> 00:44:39,900 Just let it go already. 1295 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,180 And if I hear Rob Greenlee one more 1296 00:44:42,180 --> 00:44:44,580 time say, well, the market is driving us 1297 00:44:44,580 --> 00:44:46,780 this way and your podcasting is video. 1298 00:44:48,220 --> 00:44:50,180 No, it's not. 1299 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:51,400 It's just not. 1300 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,960 People still love their audio experience. 1301 00:44:55,340 --> 00:44:57,240 Nothing has really changed in that regard. 1302 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:02,180 Other than very insidious, deceptive marketing by Google. 1303 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:04,700 That's really all it is. 1304 00:45:04,780 --> 00:45:06,420 They've just started to call everything a podcast 1305 00:45:06,420 --> 00:45:08,160 and they label their videos. 1306 00:45:08,300 --> 00:45:09,680 Well, you were a podcast and put this 1307 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:10,700 in the podcast channel. 1308 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,160 It's a farce. 1309 00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:14,160 It's a farce. 1310 00:45:14,620 --> 00:45:15,960 I can understand. 1311 00:45:16,420 --> 00:45:18,240 I understand the desire. 1312 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:24,340 You know, because the desire here is we 1313 00:45:24,340 --> 00:45:27,260 don't want to be eaten by YouTube and 1314 00:45:27,260 --> 00:45:28,840 Spotify now doing video. 1315 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,520 We don't we don't we don't want those 1316 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:31,380 guys to eat us. 1317 00:45:31,460 --> 00:45:32,620 We want to be able to at least 1318 00:45:32,620 --> 00:45:36,180 stay on par with what they are able 1319 00:45:36,180 --> 00:45:36,720 to do. 1320 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,860 And we know we can deliver video. 1321 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,020 And we know now that. 1322 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,320 You know, now that we now that the 1323 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,900 industry as as broadly speaking. 1324 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,040 Meaning the hosting companies and the apps have 1325 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,020 had some real success with podcasting, you know, 1326 00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:00,520 2.0 features, transcripts, you know, pod rolls, 1327 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:06,280 you know, the these sort of new ideas 1328 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,540 make you think, OK, well, we can. 1329 00:46:11,980 --> 00:46:15,760 We can actually move the industry ourself. 1330 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,880 We don't just have to wait for Apple 1331 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:18,320 anymore. 1332 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,160 And so when you have the combination of 1333 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:22,460 that, you say, OK, I don't want to 1334 00:46:22,460 --> 00:46:24,420 have my lunch eaten by this video by 1335 00:46:24,420 --> 00:46:25,620 these video platforms. 1336 00:46:26,260 --> 00:46:29,180 I know we can deliver video and I 1337 00:46:29,180 --> 00:46:30,920 see that we have the protocols in place 1338 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:31,880 to be able to do it. 1339 00:46:32,260 --> 00:46:34,640 We just all need to agree to do 1340 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:34,840 it. 1341 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,400 I see that this all makes sense to. 1342 00:46:39,740 --> 00:46:41,060 You know, this all makes sense. 1343 00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:45,480 The the question, I think that is just 1344 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:46,500 not answerable. 1345 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,460 I think Todd thinks he knows the answer 1346 00:46:49,460 --> 00:46:49,780 to it. 1347 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:51,760 Todd's saying that it's just going to cost 1348 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:52,340 too much money. 1349 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:52,900 Yes. 1350 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:53,940 Well, there's that. 1351 00:46:54,060 --> 00:46:55,700 And I think the buzzsprout guys think the 1352 00:46:55,700 --> 00:46:56,360 same, don't they? 1353 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:57,540 Have you talked to them about it? 1354 00:46:58,200 --> 00:46:58,760 I have not. 1355 00:46:58,860 --> 00:46:59,400 No, I don't. 1356 00:46:59,500 --> 00:47:00,740 I haven't heard anything from them. 1357 00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,860 So but the so that, you know, the 1358 00:47:04,860 --> 00:47:07,620 issue the issue that nobody's I don't think 1359 00:47:07,620 --> 00:47:09,040 we're going to be able to answer because 1360 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,220 nobody is actually honest with the numbers. 1361 00:47:12,900 --> 00:47:17,260 Yes, it's it's very possible that that like 1362 00:47:17,260 --> 00:47:20,160 we said before, that YouTube either does not 1363 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,280 make money, either does not make a profit 1364 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,060 or if they do is very small. 1365 00:47:26,460 --> 00:47:28,380 And that means that they're really all this 1366 00:47:28,380 --> 00:47:30,640 bandwidth and all this infrastructure that they've invested 1367 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:31,120 in. 1368 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:33,240 Is not. 1369 00:47:34,420 --> 00:47:36,840 Like if you tried to even do a 1370 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,000 fraction of that, it would just kill you 1371 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,060 in costs, crush you, it would crush you. 1372 00:47:43,100 --> 00:47:44,940 So the one thing that I noticed this 1373 00:47:44,940 --> 00:47:51,380 week about Spotify, that story about Spotify laying 1374 00:47:51,380 --> 00:47:54,760 off, you know, they laid off like another. 1375 00:47:54,940 --> 00:47:56,300 Oh, I didn't I didn't hear about I 1376 00:47:56,300 --> 00:47:57,100 didn't hear about that. 1377 00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,520 They laid off more people in their podcast 1378 00:47:59,520 --> 00:47:59,920 division. 1379 00:48:00,300 --> 00:48:00,400 Yeah. 1380 00:48:00,980 --> 00:48:01,140 Yeah. 1381 00:48:01,140 --> 00:48:04,000 They're just they continue to shed everybody out 1382 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,660 of their podcast division and the ringer. 1383 00:48:05,700 --> 00:48:07,560 So those two things got cuts. 1384 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,360 But sort of attached to that story was 1385 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:14,820 this other story about. 1386 00:48:16,060 --> 00:48:19,800 Two thirds of their user base are free 1387 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:20,320 users. 1388 00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:20,820 Yeah. 1389 00:48:22,340 --> 00:48:24,940 And so that means their ad support, the 1390 00:48:24,940 --> 00:48:27,520 only way those free users are paying Spotify, 1391 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:29,940 anything is through ads. 1392 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:31,160 Right. 1393 00:48:31,540 --> 00:48:32,720 It's the only way they can make money 1394 00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:34,880 off of a free user is with advertising. 1395 00:48:35,260 --> 00:48:37,980 So two thirds of their users. 1396 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:44,020 Are free users as supported, but that two 1397 00:48:44,020 --> 00:48:46,100 thirds only makes up 10 percent of their 1398 00:48:46,100 --> 00:48:46,480 revenue. 1399 00:48:48,020 --> 00:48:48,640 Wow. 1400 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,080 And I've been saying this for it feels 1401 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,740 like three years now. 1402 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,100 I think it's very obvious that at scale. 1403 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,620 Advertising cannot pay the bills of a platform. 1404 00:49:01,860 --> 00:49:02,040 No. 1405 00:49:02,660 --> 00:49:05,800 You have to have paying subscribers. 1406 00:49:06,700 --> 00:49:08,860 You have to have people that you can 1407 00:49:08,860 --> 00:49:10,480 bill every month. 1408 00:49:11,340 --> 00:49:16,780 And so if if 66 percent of their 1409 00:49:16,780 --> 00:49:20,880 users are free ad supported and that only 1410 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,960 accounts for 10 percent of their revenue. 1411 00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:23,480 Yeah. 1412 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,680 That means the other 90 percent is coming 1413 00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,560 from their paid subscribers. 1414 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,680 So you you have to think that YouTube 1415 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,740 is doing similar math. 1416 00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:39,840 I heard I heard on Accidental Tech podcast 1417 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:44,660 this past week that I heard one of 1418 00:49:44,660 --> 00:49:47,480 the hosts there just, you know, bitching endlessly 1419 00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:52,060 about the amount of of advertise advertisements in 1420 00:49:52,060 --> 00:49:52,980 YouTube videos now. 1421 00:49:52,980 --> 00:49:54,560 And he's and he's right. 1422 00:49:54,620 --> 00:49:55,940 I mean, you're getting in that you're getting 1423 00:49:55,940 --> 00:49:59,220 if it's a 20 minute video, you may 1424 00:49:59,220 --> 00:50:01,200 get four mid-roll ads. 1425 00:50:01,580 --> 00:50:04,040 Well, I mean, so just to reiterate what 1426 00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,500 we talked about last week, YouTube also has 1427 00:50:06,500 --> 00:50:08,980 boxes at the edge everywhere. 1428 00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,820 You know, they have storage all over the 1429 00:50:11,820 --> 00:50:12,220 place. 1430 00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:13,880 You know, you can't just serve this from 1431 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,180 from from Cloudflare anymore. 1432 00:50:16,340 --> 00:50:19,100 You know, they they they are inside your 1433 00:50:19,100 --> 00:50:19,660 network. 1434 00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,000 They have I mean, they learned from Netflix 1435 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,380 and Netflix learned from them. 1436 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,600 So there's a lot excuse me, a lot 1437 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:26,420 of that going on. 1438 00:50:26,740 --> 00:50:28,820 But still, if I so YouTube TV, which 1439 00:50:28,820 --> 00:50:31,220 I have, which I enjoy very much, I 1440 00:50:31,220 --> 00:50:32,180 love the quad view. 1441 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:34,360 Excuse me. 1442 00:50:34,980 --> 00:50:37,480 So I have the news quad news quad, 1443 00:50:37,900 --> 00:50:41,120 which is Fox, CNN, MSNBC and BBC. 1444 00:50:42,140 --> 00:50:45,000 They turn it off after X number of 1445 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:45,400 hours. 1446 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:46,660 They're like still watching. 1447 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:47,000 Boom. 1448 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:47,620 Stops. 1449 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:48,640 Yeah. 1450 00:50:48,780 --> 00:50:50,380 And the other day they hit it. 1451 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:51,380 They hit it from me. 1452 00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:52,640 It wasn't there. 1453 00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:53,900 And I had to go online. 1454 00:50:54,020 --> 00:50:56,300 It's like, you know, well, sometimes you just 1455 00:50:56,300 --> 00:50:56,980 take it away. 1456 00:50:57,220 --> 00:50:59,060 So you can't find it because it's too 1457 00:50:59,060 --> 00:51:00,000 expensive for them. 1458 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:00,980 Yeah. 1459 00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,200 You know, it's not lost on me. 1460 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:09,620 But if they're piling ads into into every 1461 00:51:09,620 --> 00:51:11,960 video, they're doing it. 1462 00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,660 They're yes, they're trying to extract as much 1463 00:51:15,660 --> 00:51:17,520 ad revenue as they can from all these 1464 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,860 free users, which which does not pay the 1465 00:51:20,860 --> 00:51:21,200 bills. 1466 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:22,940 But it's a double. 1467 00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:26,520 They're also doing it to irritate you enough 1468 00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,640 to make to make you buy a subscription. 1469 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:29,700 Yeah, exactly. 1470 00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,580 So I just think that that is an 1471 00:51:32,580 --> 00:51:32,840 app. 1472 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:34,600 I'm again, just like last week. 1473 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,040 I'm not saying don't do it. 1474 00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:38,120 If people want to try it and they 1475 00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:39,440 think the math will work, give it a 1476 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:39,660 shot. 1477 00:51:39,780 --> 00:51:41,420 I'm not going to be the guy that 1478 00:51:41,420 --> 00:51:43,000 just poops on an idea. 1479 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,200 But but I do think that it's that 1480 00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:47,820 it is. 1481 00:51:49,380 --> 00:51:49,940 Instructive. 1482 00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:56,060 To see what the big platforms are doing 1483 00:51:56,060 --> 00:52:01,220 and glean from that, that it's maybe not 1484 00:52:01,220 --> 00:52:05,820 even mathematically possible for them to do, because 1485 00:52:05,820 --> 00:52:08,940 all if you're a hosting company, you know, 1486 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,680 you have you have subscribe, you know, your 1487 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,480 subscribers are the podcasters, but then everybody and 1488 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,620 but that's only a fraction of your essential 1489 00:52:17,620 --> 00:52:19,640 what you might call, quote unquote, customer base. 1490 00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,460 You've got tons of free customers, which are 1491 00:52:22,460 --> 00:52:25,160 the people downloading your your bandwidth. 1492 00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,680 And those, you know, that's going to be. 1493 00:52:29,620 --> 00:52:31,260 And it's just an unknown quantity. 1494 00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:32,080 I just I don't know. 1495 00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:33,820 Well, for me, it's just going to be 1496 00:52:33,820 --> 00:52:34,180 hard. 1497 00:52:34,300 --> 00:52:35,500 It's just such a trap. 1498 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,120 It's like they've set this trap and everybody's 1499 00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:39,760 talking about it incessantly. 1500 00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,200 There's not a it's every conversation is it's 1501 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,660 like Bitcoin conference, you know, stable coins, stable 1502 00:52:45,660 --> 00:52:48,640 coins, stable coin podcasting is video, video, video, 1503 00:52:48,740 --> 00:52:48,940 video. 1504 00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,600 The conference is what's up with video? 1505 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:51,420 No. 1506 00:52:52,980 --> 00:52:54,720 I wish we could just go back and 1507 00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:56,560 say podcasting is audio only. 1508 00:52:56,740 --> 00:52:57,020 You're done. 1509 00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:58,640 And in fact, I could say that, but 1510 00:52:58,640 --> 00:52:59,920 it doesn't matter if you can't get it 1511 00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:02,580 in your podcast where you get your podcast, 1512 00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:03,420 you can't get it. 1513 00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:04,020 It's no good. 1514 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:05,920 But you're the podfather. 1515 00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:06,520 Declare it. 1516 00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,200 I'm going to have to make a declaration. 1517 00:53:08,660 --> 00:53:10,580 So I saw it with with Pastor Jimmy 1518 00:53:10,580 --> 00:53:12,240 and this. 1519 00:53:12,420 --> 00:53:15,840 And so he now he answers to a 1520 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:16,540 higher authority. 1521 00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:18,480 And so he gets his he doesn't need 1522 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:19,300 to hear it from me. 1523 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,740 But so he got way into YouTube video. 1524 00:53:22,740 --> 00:53:24,800 He was he's he's done now one hundred 1525 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,820 and one episodes of his podcast, living up 1526 00:53:26,820 --> 00:53:27,460 in a down world. 1527 00:53:27,780 --> 00:53:28,900 And I set him up. 1528 00:53:28,940 --> 00:53:30,080 I taught him how to do it. 1529 00:53:30,180 --> 00:53:31,520 I set up his rig, everything. 1530 00:53:31,860 --> 00:53:32,700 He's great at it. 1531 00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:34,980 He's he's great voice. 1532 00:53:35,540 --> 00:53:36,220 He and his wife. 1533 00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:37,540 I love listening to them. 1534 00:53:37,580 --> 00:53:38,140 It's a great show. 1535 00:53:39,580 --> 00:53:42,080 And so they really got into carnivore and 1536 00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,400 they were watching carnivore YouTubers. 1537 00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:48,040 And carnivore diet, carnivore diet. 1538 00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:48,340 Yeah. 1539 00:53:48,620 --> 00:53:50,800 And, you know, and then there's there's pastors. 1540 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,000 So they're finding all these and they're finding 1541 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,200 lots of pastors and stuff on YouTube. 1542 00:53:55,980 --> 00:53:58,040 And so they decide got to do video 1543 00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,860 to get to get the word, the gospel 1544 00:53:59,860 --> 00:54:00,920 out, got to do video. 1545 00:54:00,980 --> 00:54:01,760 And I say, you know. 1546 00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,660 There's a lot that comes along with that. 1547 00:54:05,740 --> 00:54:06,500 And it doesn't matter. 1548 00:54:06,660 --> 00:54:08,720 So then the church has cameras, everything. 1549 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,860 So they set it up and they're going 1550 00:54:10,860 --> 00:54:12,420 and the results are. 1551 00:54:14,020 --> 00:54:17,760 Bad, the video looks great, the studio is 1552 00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,540 great, but the views is not is not 1553 00:54:20,540 --> 00:54:20,800 there. 1554 00:54:20,900 --> 00:54:22,380 I say, well, you've got to play the 1555 00:54:22,380 --> 00:54:23,120 YouTube game. 1556 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,300 You've got to have a dedicated person who 1557 00:54:26,300 --> 00:54:28,500 is cutting up bits, doing shorts. 1558 00:54:28,940 --> 00:54:32,200 Your your tiles, your your preview tiles have 1559 00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:33,200 to have the face. 1560 00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:34,560 Amazing. 1561 00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:35,700 Look what's happening. 1562 00:54:35,900 --> 00:54:36,520 Check it out. 1563 00:54:38,220 --> 00:54:40,460 And and he couldn't bring himself to do 1564 00:54:40,460 --> 00:54:40,760 it. 1565 00:54:41,100 --> 00:54:43,540 And so this experiment lasted for about six 1566 00:54:43,540 --> 00:54:43,940 months. 1567 00:54:44,340 --> 00:54:46,180 And I think just last week he said, 1568 00:54:46,260 --> 00:54:48,400 you know, I hate it. 1569 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,960 I hate I hate the YouTube algo game. 1570 00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:53,860 I can't bring myself to do it. 1571 00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:55,880 And so he says, I'm stopping. 1572 00:54:55,980 --> 00:54:57,260 I'm just not doing it anymore. 1573 00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:58,280 I don't care. 1574 00:54:58,660 --> 00:54:59,820 And I said, good for you. 1575 00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:01,640 And he has a pain in the butt. 1576 00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,260 It's it's a record, you know. 1577 00:55:04,300 --> 00:55:06,120 Well, and he has the infrastructure. 1578 00:55:06,300 --> 00:55:07,680 He has a you know, he has the 1579 00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,220 church media director was doing it all for 1580 00:55:10,220 --> 00:55:10,360 him. 1581 00:55:10,540 --> 00:55:12,580 But, you know, you know, but but a 1582 00:55:12,580 --> 00:55:14,160 while ago I didn't have pants on. 1583 00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,160 And now, like, you can't do that when 1584 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:17,900 you're not on video. 1585 00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,040 Well, there are big benefits to having no 1586 00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:23,280 video, that's for sure. 1587 00:55:23,660 --> 00:55:24,020 Yes. 1588 00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,380 You know, and so I saw the loop 1589 00:55:27,380 --> 00:55:29,100 and he's an adult, you know, he's an 1590 00:55:29,100 --> 00:55:29,700 adult man. 1591 00:55:29,720 --> 00:55:30,900 He's like, no, I'm not going to do 1592 00:55:30,900 --> 00:55:31,120 this. 1593 00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:32,540 This is this is crazy. 1594 00:55:32,620 --> 00:55:33,600 I know what it leads to. 1595 00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,020 It leads to you have to do more. 1596 00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:35,860 You got to do more. 1597 00:55:35,940 --> 00:55:36,980 You got to feed the system. 1598 00:55:37,060 --> 00:55:38,160 You got to feed the algorithm. 1599 00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,220 And it is the podcast industrial complex at 1600 00:55:42,220 --> 00:55:42,660 all. 1601 00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,740 Who are pushing this because the only thing 1602 00:55:46,740 --> 00:55:50,420 they need is advertising money and the advertisers, 1603 00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,740 of course, stupidly are all like, well, I 1604 00:55:53,740 --> 00:55:56,320 got good good data over here and there 1605 00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,240 is everyone says you're podcasting his video or 1606 00:55:59,240 --> 00:56:00,920 Joe Rogan and Megyn Kelly. 1607 00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:05,600 And they are running after the money. 1608 00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,100 And I just think it's a mistake. 1609 00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:10,500 I can't I don't know any other way 1610 00:56:10,500 --> 00:56:11,040 to say it. 1611 00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:12,580 Don't worry about it. 1612 00:56:12,700 --> 00:56:13,620 Just do your podcast. 1613 00:56:14,020 --> 00:56:15,040 It's going to be fine. 1614 00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,620 You know, through through all and we've been 1615 00:56:18,620 --> 00:56:19,500 through this loop. 1616 00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:22,260 It was 2008 YouTube came along. 1617 00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:23,600 I got to be you got to be 1618 00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:24,240 video video. 1619 00:56:24,420 --> 00:56:26,400 Then Juiced came along, Juiced. 1620 00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:27,840 Remember Juiced? 1621 00:56:28,900 --> 00:56:31,280 I've I've heard of Juiced. 1622 00:56:31,380 --> 00:56:32,340 I don't remember them. 1623 00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,460 The guys who created Skype created Juiced, J 1624 00:56:35,460 --> 00:56:37,340 -O-O-S-T, which I would say 1625 00:56:37,340 --> 00:56:38,040 sounds Dutch. 1626 00:56:38,180 --> 00:56:39,580 It is Yoast, Yoast. 1627 00:56:39,740 --> 00:56:40,140 Exactly. 1628 00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:42,700 And all the V.C. were like, oh, 1629 00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:43,220 you got it. 1630 00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:44,360 We need a Juiced. 1631 00:56:44,500 --> 00:56:45,160 Juiced is the future. 1632 00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:47,520 You know, same people who said the Segway 1633 00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:48,980 is the future of cities. 1634 00:56:48,980 --> 00:56:50,520 We'll all travel differently. 1635 00:56:50,700 --> 00:56:51,200 Clubhouse. 1636 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:52,520 No. 1637 00:56:53,340 --> 00:56:54,920 So I've seen the loop. 1638 00:56:54,980 --> 00:56:56,040 And by the way, I fell for it 1639 00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:56,500 myself. 1640 00:56:57,540 --> 00:57:00,600 We changed from pod show to Mevio and 1641 00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:01,220 did video. 1642 00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,120 It was a horrible experience. 1643 00:57:05,100 --> 00:57:07,400 You just you create as much content as 1644 00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,180 you can, stick it with ads everywhere. 1645 00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,360 It's it's just it doesn't it's not the 1646 00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:12,240 whole concept. 1647 00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:13,780 And it doesn't have to be that. 1648 00:57:14,980 --> 00:57:17,540 You know, not everyone deserves to make money 1649 00:57:17,540 --> 00:57:18,520 in podcasting. 1650 00:57:18,980 --> 00:57:23,600 Well, what's what's cool is it seems like. 1651 00:57:25,100 --> 00:57:29,240 It seems like podcasting is developing its own. 1652 00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,560 Quote, unquote, algorithm. 1653 00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,700 Now with with Podroll. 1654 00:57:36,100 --> 00:57:36,800 Yes. 1655 00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:37,920 Yeah, I agree. 1656 00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:38,920 You know, yeah. 1657 00:57:39,340 --> 00:57:41,660 Pocketcast rolled out support for Podroll. 1658 00:57:41,780 --> 00:57:41,960 Yeah. 1659 00:57:42,780 --> 00:57:47,140 And it's it's a really like it's it's 1660 00:57:47,140 --> 00:57:47,840 very cool. 1661 00:57:48,580 --> 00:57:49,920 And so, you know, as soon as and 1662 00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,000 this is just like we talked about with 1663 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:51,260 Apple. 1664 00:57:52,180 --> 00:57:54,840 If you support something and you announce it. 1665 00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,100 Then it generates usage. 1666 00:57:59,820 --> 00:58:00,460 Yes. 1667 00:58:00,700 --> 00:58:01,320 Surprise. 1668 00:58:01,900 --> 00:58:03,420 Amazing how that works. 1669 00:58:03,620 --> 00:58:04,700 It generates usage. 1670 00:58:05,100 --> 00:58:05,360 Yes. 1671 00:58:05,700 --> 00:58:08,020 So now now when you know, now you 1672 00:58:08,020 --> 00:58:11,100 have podcasters who are, oh, I can put 1673 00:58:11,100 --> 00:58:14,260 I can put suggested podcasts into my feed 1674 00:58:14,820 --> 00:58:17,760 and it will show up in the apps 1675 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,020 as recommendations. 1676 00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,300 Now, as this snowball begins to roll downhill, 1677 00:58:24,780 --> 00:58:29,280 podcasting, open podcasting will be able will begin 1678 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:33,180 to develop its own algorithm based on real 1679 00:58:33,180 --> 00:58:35,340 recommendations by real human beings. 1680 00:58:35,820 --> 00:58:38,400 And that's a that's a big deal. 1681 00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,940 Having a decentralized sort of algorithm. 1682 00:58:43,340 --> 00:58:45,420 By the way, I was listening to Buzzcast 1683 00:58:45,420 --> 00:58:46,260 in a butt cast. 1684 00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,260 How many times have I said, but this 1685 00:58:50,260 --> 00:58:51,860 is the first time I've heard it and 1686 00:58:51,860 --> 00:58:53,480 and responded to it. 1687 00:58:53,540 --> 00:58:55,000 But I said it like two weeks ago. 1688 00:58:55,020 --> 00:58:56,760 I said, but yeah, yeah. 1689 00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:58,000 Hold on a second. 1690 00:58:58,700 --> 00:58:59,960 They're going to take their money back. 1691 00:59:00,020 --> 00:59:01,640 I need to register that domain name. 1692 00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:03,820 Let me see if it's like, yeah, yeah. 1693 00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:05,880 I'm waiting for the PayPal. 1694 00:59:06,260 --> 00:59:07,900 Buzzsprout canceled their donation. 1695 00:59:10,540 --> 00:59:14,340 But we need we got chastised. 1696 00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,000 We got chastised. 1697 00:59:16,060 --> 00:59:16,300 Hold on. 1698 00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:16,760 Hold on a second. 1699 00:59:17,060 --> 00:59:17,160 Yeah. 1700 00:59:17,780 --> 00:59:18,560 But cast. 1701 00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:20,300 You know, it's already gone. 1702 00:59:20,420 --> 00:59:21,380 Somebody's got podcast. 1703 00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:22,420 Well, you never know. 1704 00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,000 Let me check now. 1705 00:59:24,820 --> 00:59:25,260 Boo. 1706 00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:26,360 Boo. 1707 00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:26,760 Yeah. 1708 00:59:26,900 --> 00:59:28,860 You know, it's it's Kevin and Tom. 1709 00:59:28,980 --> 00:59:30,080 They have they have it already. 1710 00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,080 So we got chastised. 1711 00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,160 Yeah, we got chastised for not having buzzcast 1712 00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:36,960 in the pod, in our pod role. 1713 00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:38,960 Oh, well, let me change that right away. 1714 00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:41,600 OK, let me see. 1715 00:59:42,060 --> 00:59:42,900 Show info. 1716 00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:43,560 Hold on a second. 1717 00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:44,700 I'll take care of it right now. 1718 00:59:44,700 --> 00:59:47,120 People buzzcast. 1719 00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,100 Let me see if but no, no, but 1720 00:59:49,100 --> 00:59:49,420 cast. 1721 00:59:49,580 --> 00:59:49,980 Let me see. 1722 00:59:49,980 --> 00:59:51,460 Let me see if one cast is in 1723 00:59:51,460 --> 00:59:52,460 the in the database. 1724 00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,060 But I bet you there is a butt 1725 00:59:54,060 --> 00:59:57,220 cast and probably on anchor. 1726 00:59:57,660 --> 01:00:00,540 But hold on a second. 1727 01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:01,420 But cast. 1728 01:00:01,780 --> 01:00:02,920 But cast. 1729 01:00:03,140 --> 01:00:04,120 Oh, I know there's a butt. 1730 01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:04,660 Oh, yeah. 1731 01:00:04,780 --> 01:00:05,140 There's one. 1732 01:00:05,260 --> 01:00:06,080 We have a cast. 1733 01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,280 No, there's no. 1734 01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,600 We have the fishing report with Jeremy. 1735 01:00:10,780 --> 01:00:13,440 But the butt metal blast cast. 1736 01:00:15,100 --> 01:00:17,580 But metal blast cast. 1737 01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:18,480 Is that a genre? 1738 01:00:18,700 --> 01:00:19,180 I don't know. 1739 01:00:19,260 --> 01:00:21,460 And the butt fumble fantasy cast. 1740 01:00:21,700 --> 01:00:22,620 OK, how about. 1741 01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:24,980 No, I just put a do a search 1742 01:00:24,980 --> 01:00:26,680 on podcast index for butt cast. 1743 01:00:26,860 --> 01:00:28,480 Well, I'm doing it in sovereign feeds, which 1744 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:29,460 pulls the. 1745 01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:32,480 I'm getting the butt cast. 1746 01:00:32,580 --> 01:00:32,920 There you go. 1747 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,060 The butt cast, the butt cast with Caitlin 1748 01:00:35,060 --> 01:00:35,680 and Joe. 1749 01:00:36,180 --> 01:00:37,700 And there's two butt casts. 1750 01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:38,360 Oh, nice. 1751 01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:40,020 OK, we're not putting that in. 1752 01:00:40,100 --> 01:00:40,980 We're putting in buzz. 1753 01:00:43,580 --> 01:00:44,380 Buzzcast buzz. 1754 01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:45,560 Of course, SoundCloud. 1755 01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:47,720 OK, of course, it's either anchor or SoundCloud. 1756 01:00:47,820 --> 01:00:48,520 Oh, there's an anchor. 1757 01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:50,720 OK, one from anchor, one from SoundCloud. 1758 01:00:51,100 --> 01:00:51,280 All right. 1759 01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:52,560 We got our bases covered. 1760 01:00:53,020 --> 01:00:55,100 OK, the buzz cast has been added. 1761 01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:55,800 You're done. 1762 01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:56,200 OK. 1763 01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:57,100 All right, good. 1764 01:00:57,860 --> 01:00:58,340 So. 1765 01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:03,660 This led me sort of down a different 1766 01:01:03,660 --> 01:01:07,540 trail that connected up with some other line 1767 01:01:07,540 --> 01:01:10,920 of thought that I've had since Sam posted 1768 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:12,940 some stuff after last week's board meeting. 1769 01:01:14,460 --> 01:01:14,560 And. 1770 01:01:16,780 --> 01:01:19,440 You mean Sam saying I already invented all 1771 01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,640 that you suck for not telling everyone I 1772 01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:22,260 did it already? 1773 01:01:23,220 --> 01:01:28,280 Well, the thing that he's right about and 1774 01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:28,940 I have. 1775 01:01:30,060 --> 01:01:32,380 I've thought about it before is we just 1776 01:01:32,380 --> 01:01:34,880 need there's a few things here. 1777 01:01:35,900 --> 01:01:37,920 We need to be better about it. 1778 01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:39,820 We do need to be better about attribution. 1779 01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:45,020 You know, we in some sense, like I 1780 01:01:45,020 --> 01:01:48,940 don't even I don't even remember which tags 1781 01:01:48,940 --> 01:01:52,340 that I have proposed that have gotten into 1782 01:01:52,340 --> 01:01:52,860 the namespace. 1783 01:01:52,980 --> 01:01:56,060 I literally don't remember which ones they are. 1784 01:01:56,700 --> 01:01:58,840 It's I have a tendency to just kind 1785 01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:02,160 of like, OK, that's done and let's move 1786 01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:03,160 on to the next thing. 1787 01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:04,180 I'm with you on that. 1788 01:02:05,100 --> 01:02:07,240 And I'm not saying that that's the right 1789 01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:07,800 way to be. 1790 01:02:07,940 --> 01:02:09,580 I'm just saying that that's my tendency. 1791 01:02:10,780 --> 01:02:13,960 And and I also I've heard from multiple 1792 01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:14,840 people that. 1793 01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,600 That sort of attribution of. 1794 01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,500 Attribution is just more important than I'm giving 1795 01:02:25,500 --> 01:02:26,080 it enough. 1796 01:02:26,180 --> 01:02:28,460 I'm not giving it enough mental weight. 1797 01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:32,280 Attribution to someone who created something, you mean? 1798 01:02:33,100 --> 01:02:35,860 Yeah, like a tag or or some technology 1799 01:02:35,860 --> 01:02:37,300 or something like that, I think. 1800 01:02:38,100 --> 01:02:40,780 I think we needed to be better about 1801 01:02:40,780 --> 01:02:44,480 attributing the sources of where these ideas came 1802 01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,060 from to the people they came from. 1803 01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,700 So like like Alex, you know, I mean, 1804 01:02:50,940 --> 01:02:54,900 Alex is is responsible for alternate enclosure, which 1805 01:02:54,900 --> 01:02:57,360 is going to enable HLS if that takes 1806 01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:57,660 off. 1807 01:02:58,540 --> 01:03:00,280 I mean, he wrote the whole spec. 1808 01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,280 Well, I mean, his his name is not 1809 01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,280 on it on the podcast namespace. 1810 01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:10,680 Same thing with the location tag. 1811 01:03:10,780 --> 01:03:13,500 James James Cridland wrote the location tag spec. 1812 01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,820 His you won't know that he wrote that 1813 01:03:17,820 --> 01:03:20,220 unless you go back and find it in 1814 01:03:20,220 --> 01:03:23,100 the dark corners of GitHub discussions. 1815 01:03:24,020 --> 01:03:26,960 And so I feel like there needs to 1816 01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,020 be some sort of formal attribution. 1817 01:03:29,620 --> 01:03:31,960 In the namespace documentation. 1818 01:03:33,300 --> 01:03:36,300 That that gives credit to the person or 1819 01:03:36,300 --> 01:03:40,520 persons as applicable that that. 1820 01:03:41,220 --> 01:03:43,700 Sort of invented or came up with or 1821 01:03:43,700 --> 01:03:48,300 shepherded these things to their final form. 1822 01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,380 Kevin Finn over at Buzzsprout, he's the one 1823 01:03:51,380 --> 01:03:52,340 that came up with pod roll. 1824 01:03:53,180 --> 01:03:55,120 Well, the only thing I just have to 1825 01:03:55,120 --> 01:04:00,720 interject is that over time, nobody cares because 1826 01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,020 I have not invented podcasting. 1827 01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,260 You can look anywhere you want, and unless 1828 01:04:06,260 --> 01:04:09,280 you go to Dave Weiner's blog and search 1829 01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:15,440 back to 2002 to 2001, actually, you will 1830 01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:17,460 not know the genesis of podcasting. 1831 01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,880 Well, we it was Adam Carolla, Adam Carolla. 1832 01:04:21,740 --> 01:04:23,840 Everyone's the pod father now, which I'm all 1833 01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:24,300 fine with that. 1834 01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:25,760 And by the way, for me, all glory 1835 01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:27,360 to God, man, I was just a vehicle. 1836 01:04:27,420 --> 01:04:28,960 So I'm OK with it. 1837 01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,420 But I'm just saying attribution over time. 1838 01:04:32,180 --> 01:04:34,380 To me, Dave Weiner created blogging. 1839 01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:37,200 Believe me, you can't find that fact anywhere. 1840 01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:45,000 I just I think that it's I think 1841 01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:46,840 that it's more important than I realized that 1842 01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:47,340 it was. 1843 01:04:47,860 --> 01:04:48,160 OK. 1844 01:04:48,500 --> 01:04:51,000 And I mean, I agree with what you're 1845 01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:51,280 saying. 1846 01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,720 Over time, people forget. 1847 01:04:54,820 --> 01:04:58,560 But partially because partially people forget stuff because 1848 01:04:58,560 --> 01:04:59,920 it's not written down anywhere. 1849 01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:03,780 You know, it's only on some ancient, you 1850 01:05:03,780 --> 01:05:07,220 know, scripting dot com URL that barely exists 1851 01:05:07,220 --> 01:05:07,580 anymore. 1852 01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:10,960 And you have to go hunting for the 1853 01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:12,980 story that covered it or something like that. 1854 01:05:13,020 --> 01:05:15,440 But but when the podcast namespace is literally 1855 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:20,040 linked off of Apple's namespace documentation or Apple's 1856 01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:23,180 podcaster documentation, that's a pretty direct link. 1857 01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,420 And I don't think that would get lost. 1858 01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:27,800 And I think it would really, you know, 1859 01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:29,740 I think it would help because we also 1860 01:05:29,740 --> 01:05:31,480 this is a bigger discussion because we need. 1861 01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:37,340 So I was reading through Spurlock's SPC. 1862 01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:38,200 Oh, yeah. 1863 01:05:38,940 --> 01:05:45,490 Document and realizing that we don't have a 1864 01:05:45,490 --> 01:05:47,050 place for some of this stuff. 1865 01:05:48,010 --> 01:05:51,030 And what I mean is like L4O2. 1866 01:05:51,630 --> 01:05:51,870 Yeah. 1867 01:05:51,990 --> 01:05:52,850 OK, good point. 1868 01:05:53,650 --> 01:05:55,550 The documentation for L4O2. 1869 01:05:55,970 --> 01:05:57,810 Sam invented that with Russell. 1870 01:05:58,010 --> 01:05:58,250 Come on. 1871 01:05:58,270 --> 01:05:59,590 Everybody knows Sam and Russell. 1872 01:05:59,830 --> 01:05:59,990 Yes. 1873 01:06:00,130 --> 01:06:01,910 Sam and Russell worked together to put that 1874 01:06:01,910 --> 01:06:02,350 in place. 1875 01:06:02,430 --> 01:06:06,190 And there is there are documents, but I 1876 01:06:06,190 --> 01:06:07,550 think they're like in my email. 1877 01:06:08,050 --> 01:06:10,470 I think they're even where they belong. 1878 01:06:10,710 --> 01:06:13,110 I don't think they're publicly in a GitHub. 1879 01:06:13,350 --> 01:06:15,670 And I would love to host those. 1880 01:06:16,870 --> 01:06:19,790 In the in the podcast namespace repo. 1881 01:06:23,970 --> 01:06:26,170 And and then, you know, but then be 1882 01:06:26,170 --> 01:06:29,890 able to if we don't host the core 1883 01:06:29,890 --> 01:06:32,410 documentation itself, we could at least link over 1884 01:06:32,410 --> 01:06:32,930 to it. 1885 01:06:33,270 --> 01:06:34,610 What I'm trying to say is when there's 1886 01:06:34,610 --> 01:06:35,830 two things going on here, I think we 1887 01:06:35,830 --> 01:06:37,350 need to be better about attribution. 1888 01:06:38,970 --> 01:06:40,990 And that'll be a project that I'm that 1889 01:06:40,990 --> 01:06:41,890 I'm fine with. 1890 01:06:43,390 --> 01:06:44,870 Yes, Daniel, you're right. 1891 01:06:45,190 --> 01:06:46,030 Podcasting2.org. 1892 01:06:46,130 --> 01:06:47,450 That is you're right. 1893 01:06:47,570 --> 01:06:48,910 That that can be the home. 1894 01:06:49,950 --> 01:06:52,870 And for for these things and they can 1895 01:06:52,870 --> 01:06:56,170 link out to the appropriate repos as necessary, 1896 01:06:56,310 --> 01:06:56,750 you're right. 1897 01:06:57,710 --> 01:06:58,270 And so. 1898 01:06:59,490 --> 01:07:01,970 I will take on the project of trying 1899 01:07:01,970 --> 01:07:04,210 to go back and put the attribution in 1900 01:07:04,210 --> 01:07:08,470 place for these things and all the nasty 1901 01:07:08,470 --> 01:07:11,550 emails that that incurs because I've forgot somebody. 1902 01:07:12,390 --> 01:07:13,670 But but I'm cool with that. 1903 01:07:13,730 --> 01:07:15,230 We'll just fix them as a as the 1904 01:07:15,230 --> 01:07:15,930 mistakes are seen. 1905 01:07:16,750 --> 01:07:20,370 And then maybe Dan, maybe Daniel. 1906 01:07:22,050 --> 01:07:26,470 If you have documentation for a thing like 1907 01:07:26,470 --> 01:07:30,570 Russell and Sam do for L4O2. 1908 01:07:33,050 --> 01:07:37,390 If y'all would be willing to link 1909 01:07:37,390 --> 01:07:40,750 that up with Daniel on podcasting2.org. 1910 01:07:41,750 --> 01:07:43,690 I think that makes a lot of sense. 1911 01:07:44,330 --> 01:07:47,910 And, you know, the SPC documentation can go 1912 01:07:47,910 --> 01:07:48,290 there. 1913 01:07:48,770 --> 01:07:50,870 The ULID documentation can flow there. 1914 01:07:51,330 --> 01:07:53,150 There's a lot of these sort of like. 1915 01:07:56,250 --> 01:07:59,630 There's a lot of these things that are 1916 01:07:59,630 --> 01:08:04,250 not namespace that need a place to live 1917 01:08:04,810 --> 01:08:06,510 because they're too spread out. 1918 01:08:08,210 --> 01:08:09,350 And I know. 1919 01:08:09,490 --> 01:08:10,650 Put it in the LLM. 1920 01:08:10,770 --> 01:08:11,310 That's what we need. 1921 01:08:11,370 --> 01:08:13,330 We need an LLM for attribution. 1922 01:08:14,450 --> 01:08:17,310 There there needs to be a podcast podcasting2 1923 01:08:17,310 --> 01:08:18,290 .0 LLM. 1924 01:08:19,609 --> 01:08:21,450 Where you can just ask it anything about 1925 01:08:21,450 --> 01:08:24,710 podcasting2.0. CSB jump on that. 1926 01:08:27,050 --> 01:08:27,790 So. 1927 01:08:27,790 --> 01:08:31,649 If if we like, I know with the 1928 01:08:31,649 --> 01:08:33,109 new version of L4O2. 1929 01:08:35,029 --> 01:08:37,250 I've seen the emails go back and forth, 1930 01:08:37,950 --> 01:08:39,050 Russell and. 1931 01:08:41,710 --> 01:08:44,450 Russell and Sam and Oscar. 1932 01:08:45,670 --> 01:08:48,170 And I think WDOS, they're all sort of 1933 01:08:48,170 --> 01:08:51,950 working together to to update what they're doing 1934 01:08:51,950 --> 01:08:53,810 to make sure that what they call secure 1935 01:08:53,810 --> 01:08:56,990 RSS, which is built on L4O2, to make 1936 01:08:56,990 --> 01:08:59,189 sure that that all works together so that 1937 01:08:59,189 --> 01:09:01,830 Fountain and TrueFans and Pod2 and they all 1938 01:09:01,830 --> 01:09:03,270 are going to play nice together. 1939 01:09:04,370 --> 01:09:08,290 Well, once that process is settled and we 1940 01:09:08,290 --> 01:09:10,850 have some documentation, hey, man, let's stick it 1941 01:09:10,850 --> 01:09:12,069 up on podcasting2.org. 1942 01:09:13,350 --> 01:09:15,750 And be sure and link it back to 1943 01:09:15,750 --> 01:09:16,590 the attribution. 1944 01:09:16,590 --> 01:09:20,069 Give it the attribution that that is, you 1945 01:09:20,069 --> 01:09:20,750 know, is needed. 1946 01:09:22,010 --> 01:09:23,470 But I mean, I'll. 1947 01:09:25,310 --> 01:09:26,930 I want to. 1948 01:09:28,090 --> 01:09:29,430 Be better about that. 1949 01:09:30,609 --> 01:09:33,630 Because people, you know, people's we had, I 1950 01:09:33,630 --> 01:09:36,830 kind of just thought it was covered through, 1951 01:09:37,090 --> 01:09:38,490 you know, we have the team repo that 1952 01:09:38,490 --> 01:09:42,470 lists everybody who's a contributor to podcasting2.0. 1953 01:09:43,370 --> 01:09:44,569 But it just doesn't. 1954 01:09:45,750 --> 01:09:47,330 I don't know, it just doesn't go far 1955 01:09:47,330 --> 01:09:47,510 enough. 1956 01:09:47,590 --> 01:09:49,290 It doesn't link to the correct stuff. 1957 01:09:49,390 --> 01:09:49,950 It just doesn't. 1958 01:09:49,990 --> 01:09:51,130 It's not adequate. 1959 01:09:51,990 --> 01:09:52,090 And. 1960 01:09:53,530 --> 01:09:58,930 I mean, it's important for people to know 1961 01:09:58,930 --> 01:10:00,370 where these ideas came from. 1962 01:10:01,310 --> 01:10:06,430 And I accept Sam's chastisement with humility and 1963 01:10:06,430 --> 01:10:06,750 grace. 1964 01:10:07,210 --> 01:10:07,650 Okay. 1965 01:10:08,110 --> 01:10:09,150 Well, that's cool. 1966 01:10:11,780 --> 01:10:13,900 I was going to say something else now, 1967 01:10:13,980 --> 01:10:15,400 but I don't know how we got off 1968 01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:16,140 on that tangent. 1969 01:10:16,440 --> 01:10:18,280 I know what I was going to say. 1970 01:10:18,500 --> 01:10:18,740 Okay. 1971 01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:22,440 Back to what we're talking about, about the 1972 01:10:22,440 --> 01:10:23,100 namespace. 1973 01:10:23,220 --> 01:10:26,540 The namespace is ubiquitous and how we're building 1974 01:10:26,540 --> 01:10:31,880 our own kind of distributed algorithm with PodRoll. 1975 01:10:32,540 --> 01:10:33,400 Ah, yes. 1976 01:10:33,940 --> 01:10:37,260 If the same amount of energy went into 1977 01:10:37,260 --> 01:10:40,340 trying to figure out how to make video 1978 01:10:40,340 --> 01:10:43,880 work on podcasting, if every hosting company put 1979 01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,020 the same amount, not and everyone has different 1980 01:10:46,020 --> 01:10:46,360 levels. 1981 01:10:46,740 --> 01:10:48,440 If everyone put the same amount of effort, 1982 01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:52,340 energy, time and resources, and that also means 1983 01:10:52,340 --> 01:10:59,720 cash, into supporting more 2.0 features. 1984 01:11:01,100 --> 01:11:03,520 I think that would be more beneficial than 1985 01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:05,720 trying to catch up to YouTube, which is 1986 01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:07,180 just impossible to do. 1987 01:11:07,580 --> 01:11:09,620 And let's just stick to what we do 1988 01:11:09,620 --> 01:11:13,360 well and do it even better and force 1989 01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:17,340 people, force the legacy apps into it if 1990 01:11:17,340 --> 01:11:17,900 they don't want to. 1991 01:11:17,900 --> 01:11:18,900 People will leave. 1992 01:11:19,820 --> 01:11:23,420 Every single show I say, you got to 1993 01:11:23,420 --> 01:11:24,960 have a modern podcast app. 1994 01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,100 Go to podcastapps.com. 1995 01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:29,700 The minute we go live, you'll be alerted. 1996 01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:30,580 You click on it. 1997 01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:32,640 Your app tells you we're live. 1998 01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:33,700 You can't listen live. 1999 01:11:34,020 --> 01:11:36,820 Within 90 seconds of me posting the show, 2000 01:11:37,100 --> 01:11:38,220 you'll get the show. 2001 01:11:38,580 --> 01:11:40,560 Every single show I say this. 2002 01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:43,500 And why do I say it? 2003 01:11:43,620 --> 01:11:45,000 Because I don't want to hear the bitching 2004 01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:45,900 and moaning for people. 2005 01:11:47,900 --> 01:11:48,820 I don't. 2006 01:11:49,300 --> 01:11:50,800 I didn't upload to Apple. 2007 01:11:51,500 --> 01:11:53,940 So these types of things, transcripts. 2008 01:11:54,020 --> 01:11:54,180 Okay. 2009 01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:56,860 So Apple finally did transcripts, you know, but 2010 01:11:56,860 --> 01:12:00,560 chapters and, you know, and Apple does chapters, 2011 01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,360 they do it in their ID3 tags, whatever. 2012 01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,760 We have a specific chapters functionality, which is 2013 01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:07,180 cool. 2014 01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:09,400 And you can do cool stuff with it. 2015 01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:13,600 And most of the hosting companies now automatically 2016 01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:15,080 generate chapters for you. 2017 01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:17,940 And some put images in for you. 2018 01:12:18,020 --> 01:12:19,840 There's a lot of stuff that's going on. 2019 01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:21,600 Let's focus on that. 2020 01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:23,320 Let's focus on what we know works, what 2021 01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:25,480 we know, what we develop, what is good. 2022 01:12:25,900 --> 01:12:28,080 And we're wasting, we're spinning our wheels like 2023 01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:29,740 hamster in the YouTube wheel. 2024 01:12:31,100 --> 01:12:33,100 Trying to figure out, can we do video? 2025 01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:34,900 Because that'll save podcasting. 2026 01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:37,620 Podcasting is under no threat whatsoever. 2027 01:12:39,620 --> 01:12:40,420 At all. 2028 01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:44,260 The podcast industrial complex is under threat. 2029 01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:44,920 I don't care. 2030 01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:46,620 That's different. 2031 01:12:46,900 --> 01:12:48,540 We've come up with so many different ideas 2032 01:12:48,540 --> 01:12:48,940 for them. 2033 01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:49,840 They're not interested. 2034 01:12:49,980 --> 01:12:51,920 They just want to do video and that's 2035 01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:52,820 not going to solve it. 2036 01:12:52,980 --> 01:12:54,580 It's going to be a sad day when 2037 01:12:54,580 --> 01:12:57,560 everyone implements video and everyone's pushing video and 2038 01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:01,080 no one's watching because they're going to YouTube 2039 01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:01,720 for that. 2040 01:13:03,750 --> 01:13:04,450 That's just it. 2041 01:13:04,570 --> 01:13:06,250 YouTube has a TV app, has a Roku 2042 01:13:06,250 --> 01:13:06,650 app. 2043 01:13:07,190 --> 01:13:08,670 People are watching it there. 2044 01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:12,170 You can't compete with something and probably financially 2045 01:13:12,170 --> 01:13:13,570 it's not worth it. 2046 01:13:15,620 --> 01:13:16,980 Man, I'm so reluctant. 2047 01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:20,740 I mean, yeah, look, I understand what you're 2048 01:13:20,740 --> 01:13:22,300 saying and you're not wrong. 2049 01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:28,110 Like, I just, I don't, if, if they, 2050 01:13:28,270 --> 01:13:32,210 if they can make it work for, for 2051 01:13:32,210 --> 01:13:34,190 a few shows, you know, I mean, it 2052 01:13:34,190 --> 01:13:34,910 would be cool. 2053 01:13:35,830 --> 01:13:36,910 I mean, it would be really neat. 2054 01:13:37,690 --> 01:13:38,130 Neat. 2055 01:13:38,130 --> 01:13:39,170 That's what I want to be. 2056 01:13:39,230 --> 01:13:40,410 I'm the inventor of neat. 2057 01:13:41,130 --> 01:13:42,730 I invented something neato. 2058 01:13:43,210 --> 01:13:43,790 That's right. 2059 01:13:44,330 --> 01:13:46,790 I don't want to say like, I don't, 2060 01:13:46,890 --> 01:13:50,110 I just, I don't want to say, I 2061 01:13:50,110 --> 01:13:51,370 just don't want to be the Debbie Downer 2062 01:13:51,370 --> 01:13:54,670 on it, but, but I'm just so skeptical 2063 01:13:54,670 --> 01:13:58,250 that it's going to like, work out. 2064 01:13:58,950 --> 01:14:01,030 No, and I think you're right. 2065 01:14:01,170 --> 01:14:02,750 There's a lot of, there could be a 2066 01:14:02,750 --> 01:14:04,010 lot of wasted effort here. 2067 01:14:05,590 --> 01:14:07,410 I see the, I see the cycles. 2068 01:14:07,410 --> 01:14:09,690 I see the cycles come by every day 2069 01:14:09,690 --> 01:14:13,390 on the, on this group and everybody's in 2070 01:14:13,390 --> 01:14:13,650 there. 2071 01:14:13,830 --> 01:14:16,510 You'd be glad you're not, but it's, it's 2072 01:14:16,510 --> 01:14:17,430 a huge group. 2073 01:14:17,430 --> 01:14:19,250 And, and you know, I'm this, let me 2074 01:14:19,250 --> 01:14:20,630 see, when was the first post? 2075 01:14:21,270 --> 01:14:23,290 August 17th, 2024. 2076 01:14:24,870 --> 01:14:26,870 And they're still talking about video. 2077 01:14:28,350 --> 01:14:28,790 Yeah. 2078 01:14:29,430 --> 01:14:31,310 You know, that that's just what it is. 2079 01:14:31,990 --> 01:14:34,610 You know, it's like, no, it's going to 2080 01:14:34,610 --> 01:14:36,950 take, it's going to take app support too. 2081 01:14:37,790 --> 01:14:39,010 Well, of course. 2082 01:14:39,270 --> 01:14:42,650 And there's app support, but I'm just saying. 2083 01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:43,290 Not for HLS. 2084 01:14:43,810 --> 01:14:44,090 Okay. 2085 01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:44,910 Good point. 2086 01:14:45,290 --> 01:14:49,630 But, but the bottom line is just don't 2087 01:14:49,630 --> 01:14:50,270 fight it. 2088 01:14:51,170 --> 01:14:52,310 Don't fight it. 2089 01:14:53,910 --> 01:14:56,590 You know, the people, people will come back 2090 01:14:56,590 --> 01:14:59,390 from, from their, from their YouTube misery. 2091 01:14:59,390 --> 01:15:00,770 They'll come back and like, I just want 2092 01:15:00,770 --> 01:15:03,310 to do a wherever you get your podcast. 2093 01:15:04,430 --> 01:15:06,270 You know, all the, all the, all the 2094 01:15:06,270 --> 01:15:11,610 successful people, Tucker and Megan and Joe and 2095 01:15:11,610 --> 01:15:15,370 Theo and Tony and all these people. 2096 01:15:15,990 --> 01:15:16,470 Yeah. 2097 01:15:16,810 --> 01:15:18,030 They have stuff on YouTube. 2098 01:15:18,150 --> 01:15:21,270 They have guests, you know, and yeah, that's 2099 01:15:21,270 --> 01:15:23,850 sometimes interesting to watch, but no one's, you 2100 01:15:23,850 --> 01:15:25,150 know, it's just like, come on. 2101 01:15:25,170 --> 01:15:27,130 They all do audio as a, as a 2102 01:15:27,130 --> 01:15:29,850 companion and audio is where I think people 2103 01:15:29,850 --> 01:15:32,330 still gravitate towards because you can do other 2104 01:15:32,330 --> 01:15:34,810 things and you're not going to be Theo 2105 01:15:34,810 --> 01:15:35,130 Vaughn. 2106 01:15:35,210 --> 01:15:36,430 You're not going to be Joe Rogan. 2107 01:15:36,770 --> 01:15:37,850 It's going to be a podcaster. 2108 01:15:38,150 --> 01:15:38,950 Be happy. 2109 01:15:43,850 --> 01:15:46,630 I think I would encourage the, I think 2110 01:15:46,630 --> 01:15:48,630 I would encourage the process to go like 2111 01:15:48,630 --> 01:15:49,110 this. 2112 01:15:49,410 --> 01:15:49,910 Here we go. 2113 01:15:50,390 --> 01:15:52,910 Podsage comes in and sets everything straight. 2114 01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:54,430 We'll make us all feel better. 2115 01:15:55,630 --> 01:15:56,870 No, this is why there's two of us, 2116 01:15:56,970 --> 01:15:57,070 Dave. 2117 01:15:57,070 --> 01:15:58,310 I appreciate you doing this. 2118 01:15:59,150 --> 01:16:04,150 I would try, I would try to put 2119 01:16:04,150 --> 01:16:07,270 it, get some idea ahead of time of 2120 01:16:07,270 --> 01:16:10,410 which apps support HLS natively already. 2121 01:16:11,770 --> 01:16:18,450 Cause I, I think, I think the NA 2122 01:16:18,450 --> 01:16:20,830 the app support is going to be the 2123 01:16:20,830 --> 01:16:24,330 harder lift than the hosting company support. 2124 01:16:25,310 --> 01:16:29,590 The hosting company support is going to involve 2125 01:16:31,370 --> 01:16:36,670 accepting the video upload, transcoding it into multiple 2126 01:16:36,670 --> 01:16:40,950 formats, chunking it out into object storage behind 2127 01:16:40,950 --> 01:16:41,610 a CDN. 2128 01:16:42,410 --> 01:16:46,030 That's, that's stuff that they, that hosting companies 2129 01:16:46,030 --> 01:16:49,410 are already pretty good at, you know, that 2130 01:16:49,410 --> 01:16:51,250 that's not rocket science. 2131 01:16:51,930 --> 01:16:55,290 So I think that they would have an 2132 01:16:55,290 --> 01:16:59,970 easier time doing that than the podcast apps 2133 01:16:59,970 --> 01:17:03,250 would have implementing it into their apps. 2134 01:17:03,370 --> 01:17:06,450 Because if the app doesn't already support video, 2135 01:17:07,710 --> 01:17:10,070 it's going to be, there's going to be 2136 01:17:10,070 --> 01:17:11,710 a lot of UI that has to happen. 2137 01:17:13,230 --> 01:17:16,330 So it would be nice to know ahead 2138 01:17:16,330 --> 01:17:21,270 of time, which apps already have, we know 2139 01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:23,470 which ones support video, but which ones might, 2140 01:17:23,990 --> 01:17:26,770 there might be some already that support HLS 2141 01:17:26,770 --> 01:17:30,390 just by virtue of the libraries they're using. 2142 01:17:32,690 --> 01:17:34,190 So you may get some of it for 2143 01:17:34,190 --> 01:17:34,570 free. 2144 01:17:35,970 --> 01:17:38,650 So it would be nice to have some 2145 01:17:38,650 --> 01:17:43,450 sample feeds out there where you stick HLS 2146 01:17:43,450 --> 01:17:48,610 as an, into the normal enclosure tag and 2147 01:17:48,610 --> 01:17:51,250 just do some samples, run through every podcast 2148 01:17:51,250 --> 01:17:54,010 app you can find and see if any 2149 01:17:54,010 --> 01:17:54,890 of them play it. 2150 01:17:55,930 --> 01:17:57,890 And then you just take notes about which 2151 01:17:57,890 --> 01:17:59,650 ones do and which ones don't. 2152 01:18:00,430 --> 01:18:02,370 Then you can go back and say, okay, 2153 01:18:02,450 --> 01:18:06,010 these, these apps support video, this, these subset, 2154 01:18:06,330 --> 01:18:11,630 the subset of those apps support, support HLS. 2155 01:18:13,350 --> 01:18:15,910 And then you can say, okay, you could 2156 01:18:15,910 --> 01:18:17,670 reach out to those apps and say, can 2157 01:18:17,670 --> 01:18:22,470 you also support the HLS in the alternate 2158 01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:25,890 enclosure tag so that we can have a 2159 01:18:25,890 --> 01:18:26,730 unified feed? 2160 01:18:26,750 --> 01:18:29,590 Because that's the, that's the dual strategy here. 2161 01:18:29,870 --> 01:18:32,650 The dual strategy that Justin from Transistor is 2162 01:18:32,650 --> 01:18:36,830 talking about is not just HLS video support. 2163 01:18:37,850 --> 01:18:42,330 It's, it's HLS as an alternate enclosure to 2164 01:18:42,330 --> 01:18:45,510 an existing audio podcast so that the app 2165 01:18:45,510 --> 01:18:47,910 can intelligently switch back and forth depending on 2166 01:18:47,910 --> 01:18:49,090 whether you're watching or listening. 2167 01:18:49,690 --> 01:18:51,250 That's what they want. 2168 01:18:52,630 --> 01:18:57,770 And so I wouldn't like, oh, Nathan just 2169 01:18:57,770 --> 01:19:03,550 linked up a podcast in the boardroom of 2170 01:19:03,550 --> 01:19:05,330 a sample feed with HLS in the main 2171 01:19:05,330 --> 01:19:05,710 enclosure. 2172 01:19:06,090 --> 01:19:08,010 So that would be something like that would 2173 01:19:08,010 --> 01:19:10,230 be a good thing to do. 2174 01:19:11,050 --> 01:19:13,410 Say Pocket Cast, Podcast Guru and more already 2175 01:19:13,410 --> 01:19:13,970 handle HLS. 2176 01:19:14,190 --> 01:19:14,290 Yeah. 2177 01:19:14,930 --> 01:19:17,330 Do a survey of some sample feeds, find 2178 01:19:17,330 --> 01:19:20,410 out which pod, which podcast apps already support 2179 01:19:20,410 --> 01:19:20,650 it. 2180 01:19:20,870 --> 01:19:22,830 And then, you know, where you're starting from. 2181 01:19:23,150 --> 01:19:26,570 And we know that Pocket Cast and Podcast 2182 01:19:26,570 --> 01:19:29,350 Guru, they're down with the dark side. 2183 01:19:30,050 --> 01:19:32,610 They know they're, they're good to go on 2184 01:19:32,610 --> 01:19:33,410 2.0 features. 2185 01:19:33,510 --> 01:19:36,250 They're, they've proven that they're going to push 2186 01:19:36,250 --> 01:19:36,690 forward. 2187 01:19:37,030 --> 01:19:39,150 So those guys would be easy to work 2188 01:19:39,150 --> 01:19:39,430 with. 2189 01:19:39,490 --> 01:19:46,190 I mean, you know, Jason and Alex over 2190 01:19:46,190 --> 01:19:49,350 there are great over at Podcast Guru and 2191 01:19:49,350 --> 01:19:50,870 the folks over at Pocket Cast are great. 2192 01:19:51,370 --> 01:19:54,030 So you could definitely, you know, work with 2193 01:19:54,030 --> 01:19:55,810 them to get them to support the alternate 2194 01:19:55,810 --> 01:20:00,030 enclosure version of HLS and then just like 2195 01:20:00,030 --> 01:20:02,010 run some samples. 2196 01:20:03,410 --> 01:20:05,470 Get your process down first. 2197 01:20:05,570 --> 01:20:07,350 Then you have a template to work with 2198 01:20:07,350 --> 01:20:09,430 to sort of like show the other apps 2199 01:20:09,430 --> 01:20:10,010 what to do. 2200 01:20:10,970 --> 01:20:12,970 That's the way I would go about it. 2201 01:20:13,870 --> 01:20:19,190 You know, there's so many devices and things 2202 01:20:19,190 --> 01:20:22,650 have been invented over time that just wind 2203 01:20:22,650 --> 01:20:26,470 up being used differently than you ever expected. 2204 01:20:27,410 --> 01:20:31,170 And, you know, I know people don't want 2205 01:20:31,170 --> 01:20:31,710 to hear it. 2206 01:20:31,770 --> 01:20:34,610 So I'm just giving another voice against what 2207 01:20:34,610 --> 01:20:37,090 you said is, of course, perfectly reasonable. 2208 01:20:39,310 --> 01:20:45,490 YouTube was initially developed for baby videos, for, 2209 01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:49,110 you know, broadcasting yourself, for showing your home 2210 01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:51,930 movies, for, you know, that's what it was. 2211 01:20:52,710 --> 01:20:54,610 It was like an expanded version of Justin 2212 01:20:54,610 --> 01:20:55,170 TV. 2213 01:20:56,670 --> 01:20:57,970 It's a very good example. 2214 01:20:58,910 --> 01:21:01,470 I don't even know if Twitch originally was 2215 01:21:01,470 --> 01:21:05,690 designed to be for gamers just to watch 2216 01:21:05,690 --> 01:21:06,650 people play games. 2217 01:21:06,810 --> 01:21:08,090 I have a feeling it wasn't. 2218 01:21:10,730 --> 01:21:18,090 You know, Percy Spencer, you know, was working 2219 01:21:18,090 --> 01:21:20,850 on radar technology at Raytheon and wound up 2220 01:21:20,850 --> 01:21:23,510 creating the microwave, you know, which we now 2221 01:21:23,510 --> 01:21:25,190 basically only use for popcorn. 2222 01:21:25,710 --> 01:21:29,070 You know, so there's all these things and 2223 01:21:29,070 --> 01:21:32,610 a podcast app, which is universally known, it's 2224 01:21:32,610 --> 01:21:36,930 still the most powerful term in broadcast media 2225 01:21:36,930 --> 01:21:38,950 wherever you get your podcasts. 2226 01:21:40,150 --> 01:21:42,890 And I think it's just as hard to 2227 01:21:42,890 --> 01:21:46,250 roll out video to all podcast apps as 2228 01:21:46,250 --> 01:21:47,550 it is going to be to roll out 2229 01:21:47,550 --> 01:21:50,130 to all hosting companies as it is going 2230 01:21:50,130 --> 01:21:53,190 to be, you know, just to consume it 2231 01:21:53,190 --> 01:21:53,790 that way. 2232 01:21:55,690 --> 01:21:58,950 And I just want to warn people that 2233 01:21:58,950 --> 01:22:02,290 we have so many other wins we can 2234 01:22:02,290 --> 01:22:04,670 get right away by making it more attractive. 2235 01:22:05,430 --> 01:22:07,310 I mean, the funding tag, can we just 2236 01:22:07,310 --> 01:22:09,170 get the funding tag front and center with 2237 01:22:09,170 --> 01:22:12,310 a big ass button, support this, like Sam 2238 01:22:12,310 --> 01:22:13,510 Sethi is absolutely right. 2239 01:22:14,330 --> 01:22:17,070 You click it on TrueFans, and I hope 2240 01:22:17,070 --> 01:22:18,730 TrueFans comes out with an app soon, and 2241 01:22:18,730 --> 01:22:20,590 you can hit it with your Apple Pay 2242 01:22:20,590 --> 01:22:21,450 or your Google Pay. 2243 01:22:21,990 --> 01:22:23,310 These are things that matter. 2244 01:22:24,330 --> 01:22:27,050 These are things that actually matter, and then 2245 01:22:27,050 --> 01:22:29,470 you circumvent the Patreon fees. 2246 01:22:29,570 --> 01:22:31,150 There's so many things that can be done. 2247 01:22:32,370 --> 01:22:34,350 I just feel it's a waste of energy. 2248 01:22:35,230 --> 01:22:37,610 Yeah, I heard James talking about how he 2249 01:22:37,610 --> 01:22:40,950 built a Stripe interface, but nobody uses it, 2250 01:22:40,950 --> 01:22:42,130 and they still just use Patreon. 2251 01:22:43,890 --> 01:22:45,710 I think... 2252 01:22:45,710 --> 01:22:46,450 No, it was worse. 2253 01:22:46,810 --> 01:22:47,610 It was worse. 2254 01:22:47,670 --> 01:22:50,110 He said, buy me a coffee, leave me 2255 01:22:50,110 --> 01:22:50,530 a tip. 2256 01:22:52,810 --> 01:22:55,330 Yeah, that would be worse to you. 2257 01:22:56,230 --> 01:22:58,890 I think that's a... 2258 01:23:00,610 --> 01:23:04,550 I mean, no agenda uses Stripe interface and, 2259 01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:06,350 you know, I mean, and checks and everything 2260 01:23:06,350 --> 01:23:06,590 else. 2261 01:23:07,430 --> 01:23:09,310 That's all about the message, I think. 2262 01:23:09,410 --> 01:23:09,650 I don't... 2263 01:23:09,650 --> 01:23:11,050 That's not really about the tech. 2264 01:23:11,170 --> 01:23:11,630 Absolutely. 2265 01:23:12,330 --> 01:23:15,390 If you say, buy me a coffee, guess 2266 01:23:15,390 --> 01:23:16,110 what you're going to get? 2267 01:23:16,110 --> 01:23:17,290 A coffee. 2268 01:23:18,250 --> 01:23:19,950 If you say, leave me a tip, guess 2269 01:23:19,950 --> 01:23:20,590 what you're going to get? 2270 01:23:20,730 --> 01:23:21,270 A tip. 2271 01:23:22,710 --> 01:23:24,230 You know, people don't want to do the 2272 01:23:24,230 --> 01:23:24,490 work. 2273 01:23:24,850 --> 01:23:26,190 They're afraid to ask. 2274 01:23:26,550 --> 01:23:27,890 Ask and thou shalt receive. 2275 01:23:30,050 --> 01:23:31,130 It's just a fact. 2276 01:23:32,670 --> 01:23:33,650 But if you tell them to go to, 2277 01:23:33,710 --> 01:23:37,150 you know, if you tell them to go 2278 01:23:37,150 --> 01:23:43,050 to podnews.net slash donate, and if you 2279 01:23:43,050 --> 01:23:44,590 tell them that over and over and over 2280 01:23:44,590 --> 01:23:46,410 again, eventually they're just going to... 2281 01:23:46,410 --> 01:23:47,350 That's where they're going to go. 2282 01:23:47,870 --> 01:23:49,310 I think it's about the ask, really. 2283 01:23:50,290 --> 01:23:53,370 And that facilitates the ask, you know, the 2284 01:23:53,370 --> 01:23:54,030 funding tag. 2285 01:23:54,430 --> 01:23:55,370 That's what I meant. 2286 01:23:55,590 --> 01:23:57,330 So we don't even use the... 2287 01:23:57,330 --> 01:23:59,670 Well, the funding tag finally is starting to 2288 01:23:59,670 --> 01:24:00,910 show up, and I promote it a little 2289 01:24:00,910 --> 01:24:01,210 bit. 2290 01:24:01,510 --> 01:24:02,990 We just tell people to go to our 2291 01:24:02,990 --> 01:24:05,270 donation page and support us. 2292 01:24:06,210 --> 01:24:07,630 Here's yesterday's rundown. 2293 01:24:08,710 --> 01:24:11,430 Commodore Archduke, $1,770. 2294 01:24:11,890 --> 01:24:13,430 Blake Luther, $1,000. 2295 01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:19,510 Preston Isaacson, $222.22. Matthew Martell, $210.60. 2296 01:24:19,770 --> 01:24:21,110 This is serious money. 2297 01:24:22,410 --> 01:24:23,550 Now, is that through PayPal? 2298 01:24:23,650 --> 01:24:24,050 Which ones? 2299 01:24:24,250 --> 01:24:25,650 Is it PayPal, Stripe? 2300 01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:28,110 Those are all... 2301 01:24:28,110 --> 01:24:32,270 The Commodore Archduke is Stripe. 2302 01:24:32,890 --> 01:24:33,810 The rest are PayPal. 2303 01:24:34,030 --> 01:24:36,950 So we probably have about 20% using 2304 01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:37,230 Stripe. 2305 01:24:37,310 --> 01:24:38,290 It's on the same page. 2306 01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:40,930 You can choose which one you use. 2307 01:24:41,630 --> 01:24:44,150 And you go to knowledgeanddonations.com. 2308 01:24:44,890 --> 01:24:46,610 We're not asking you to send a coffee. 2309 01:24:48,830 --> 01:24:49,710 That's the difference. 2310 01:24:52,770 --> 01:24:54,790 So how many times can I say it? 2311 01:24:54,810 --> 01:24:55,930 And you've got to close the loop. 2312 01:24:56,210 --> 01:24:57,890 Thank you, Commodore Archduke. 2313 01:24:58,130 --> 01:24:59,150 Let me read your note. 2314 01:24:59,290 --> 01:25:00,310 I really love you. 2315 01:25:00,670 --> 01:25:01,510 Appreciate it. 2316 01:25:02,450 --> 01:25:03,450 That's the system. 2317 01:25:05,550 --> 01:25:06,590 You know, people are like, well, you know, 2318 01:25:06,650 --> 01:25:07,770 you've been doing this since the beginning. 2319 01:25:07,770 --> 01:25:08,710 You're the podfather. 2320 01:25:11,890 --> 01:25:13,550 You're all about the raspberry today. 2321 01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:14,290 I am. 2322 01:25:14,410 --> 01:25:18,910 I am because I'm disturbed by the direction 2323 01:25:18,910 --> 01:25:19,850 that people go in. 2324 01:25:19,890 --> 01:25:21,050 I'm like, you're just going to bump into 2325 01:25:21,050 --> 01:25:21,590 a wall. 2326 01:25:21,770 --> 01:25:23,570 So someone's got to be the guy saying, 2327 01:25:23,650 --> 01:25:24,510 no, it's not going to work. 2328 01:25:25,290 --> 01:25:26,730 And you have the right to be disturbed 2329 01:25:26,730 --> 01:25:31,010 because you've not only invented podcasting, but you 2330 01:25:31,010 --> 01:25:34,330 also have been down this road with You've 2331 01:25:34,330 --> 01:25:36,010 got the history to back it up. 2332 01:25:36,290 --> 01:25:37,510 I did the network. 2333 01:25:37,870 --> 01:25:38,710 I did the video. 2334 01:25:39,130 --> 01:25:40,310 I did all of that. 2335 01:25:40,690 --> 01:25:41,830 And what blew it out of the water? 2336 01:25:42,150 --> 01:25:42,790 The content. 2337 01:25:43,190 --> 01:25:43,670 Serial. 2338 01:25:44,630 --> 01:25:46,270 That took it all right back. 2339 01:25:47,610 --> 01:25:49,030 And, you know, when everyone got all jitty 2340 01:25:49,030 --> 01:25:52,910 and jack during COVID, everyone was doing a 2341 01:25:52,910 --> 01:25:53,270 podcast. 2342 01:25:53,690 --> 01:25:55,670 All the podcast companies were humming. 2343 01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:57,810 We got new customers signing up every single 2344 01:25:57,810 --> 01:25:58,130 day. 2345 01:25:58,130 --> 01:26:02,810 And then Spotify blew a billion dollars, blew 2346 01:26:02,810 --> 01:26:06,070 a billion dollars, and it didn't work for 2347 01:26:06,070 --> 01:26:06,310 them. 2348 01:26:06,590 --> 01:26:08,170 And all they've done since then is fire 2349 01:26:08,170 --> 01:26:08,650 people. 2350 01:26:09,410 --> 01:26:10,330 Get a clue. 2351 01:26:10,670 --> 01:26:11,310 Yeah, that's it. 2352 01:26:11,450 --> 01:26:11,570 Yeah. 2353 01:26:11,650 --> 01:26:12,290 Get a clue. 2354 01:26:13,230 --> 01:26:16,870 You know, video superstars, you know, high end 2355 01:26:16,870 --> 01:26:17,450 productions. 2356 01:26:20,150 --> 01:26:22,530 No, that's not even what people want. 2357 01:26:22,630 --> 01:26:24,450 They want to hear authentic voices. 2358 01:26:24,450 --> 01:26:26,430 They don't want to hear all your ums 2359 01:26:26,430 --> 01:26:27,830 and ahs edited out. 2360 01:26:28,130 --> 01:26:30,290 They just want to hear someone talking about 2361 01:26:30,290 --> 01:26:31,290 something they care about. 2362 01:26:31,370 --> 01:26:33,190 They want to eavesdrop on a conversation. 2363 01:26:33,770 --> 01:26:34,290 That's it. 2364 01:26:34,370 --> 01:26:35,290 It's very simple. 2365 01:26:36,090 --> 01:26:40,860 Don't try to professionalize everything, which is what 2366 01:26:40,860 --> 01:26:43,440 video always, always demands. 2367 01:26:46,850 --> 01:26:47,490 Too much polish. 2368 01:26:48,370 --> 01:26:48,970 Yeah. 2369 01:26:49,230 --> 01:26:50,490 I love raw. 2370 01:26:50,650 --> 01:26:51,570 I love hearing. 2371 01:26:51,650 --> 01:26:53,970 I love hearing unprofessional voices. 2372 01:26:54,550 --> 01:26:55,250 It's great. 2373 01:26:55,250 --> 01:26:57,050 You know, I listen to all kinds of 2374 01:26:57,050 --> 01:26:58,090 crap audio. 2375 01:26:58,190 --> 01:27:00,030 I listen to podcasts with crap audio all 2376 01:27:00,030 --> 01:27:00,410 the time. 2377 01:27:00,750 --> 01:27:01,510 It's not the worst. 2378 01:27:01,710 --> 01:27:02,630 It doesn't hurt me. 2379 01:27:03,630 --> 01:27:05,330 Well, I listen, I watch a lot of 2380 01:27:05,330 --> 01:27:07,870 YouTube and I enjoy YouTube, but it's not 2381 01:27:07,870 --> 01:27:08,530 podcasting. 2382 01:27:09,130 --> 01:27:09,530 No. 2383 01:27:10,070 --> 01:27:10,910 Podcasting is different. 2384 01:27:11,150 --> 01:27:11,390 Yes. 2385 01:27:12,150 --> 01:27:13,370 Dave, let's thank some people. 2386 01:27:13,490 --> 01:27:14,810 I've kept you way too long. 2387 01:27:15,410 --> 01:27:16,150 I apologize. 2388 01:27:16,450 --> 01:27:17,390 That is my fault. 2389 01:27:17,630 --> 01:27:17,730 All right. 2390 01:27:18,850 --> 01:27:19,470 All good. 2391 01:27:19,650 --> 01:27:19,930 All good. 2392 01:27:21,190 --> 01:27:24,010 Sam Sethi is riding his bicycle. 2393 01:27:26,510 --> 01:27:27,170 He is. 2394 01:27:27,330 --> 01:27:29,290 We need to load the horn. 2395 01:27:30,070 --> 01:27:31,250 I don't, I don't have a horn. 2396 01:27:31,550 --> 01:27:32,370 What horn do you like? 2397 01:27:32,450 --> 01:27:34,210 The bicycle or the bell, the bicycle bell. 2398 01:27:34,350 --> 01:27:35,410 I mean, the ching ching. 2399 01:27:35,670 --> 01:27:37,250 Maybe I would, do I have a horn? 2400 01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:40,330 I've got, uh, I got the booty horn. 2401 01:27:41,990 --> 01:27:43,050 Got that one. 2402 01:27:44,170 --> 01:27:46,430 I've got, uh, let's see. 2403 01:27:46,470 --> 01:27:47,510 I've got these horns. 2404 01:27:48,870 --> 01:27:50,270 I've got those horns. 2405 01:27:50,770 --> 01:27:51,790 No, that's not a bike. 2406 01:27:51,810 --> 01:27:52,690 That's not a good horn. 2407 01:27:52,750 --> 01:27:53,090 Is it? 2408 01:27:53,270 --> 01:27:55,090 No, no, no, no, no. 2409 01:27:55,630 --> 01:27:59,010 Uh, anyway, Sam is cycling from Montreux to 2410 01:27:59,010 --> 01:28:02,190 Luzon through the vineyards, tasting wine and listening 2411 01:28:02,190 --> 01:28:04,650 to the pod father and the sage hashtag 2412 01:28:04,650 --> 01:28:05,210 heaven. 2413 01:28:06,750 --> 01:28:08,950 And he sent us a triple sevens for 2414 01:28:08,950 --> 01:28:11,010 that from, uh, true fans, of course. 2415 01:28:11,050 --> 01:28:13,510 And also a thousand sats. 2416 01:28:13,650 --> 01:28:15,730 If we get secure RSS, right, we can 2417 01:28:15,730 --> 01:28:19,710 replace Patreon and other paywalls, including Spotify SOA. 2418 01:28:20,710 --> 01:28:23,210 I'm interviewing Oscar on power about what it 2419 01:28:23,210 --> 01:28:25,430 is, how to implement it and how it 2420 01:28:25,430 --> 01:28:25,850 will work. 2421 01:28:27,050 --> 01:28:27,450 Good. 2422 01:28:27,570 --> 01:28:29,110 That's on his, um, what is that? 2423 01:28:29,270 --> 01:28:31,510 Um, is it the true fans, the creator 2424 01:28:31,510 --> 01:28:32,790 podcast, what is it called? 2425 01:28:35,290 --> 01:28:36,810 Um, true fans, creator. 2426 01:28:37,010 --> 01:28:37,190 Yeah. 2427 01:28:37,230 --> 01:28:40,150 He's, he's doing a, uh, he's doing, I 2428 01:28:40,150 --> 01:28:40,690 didn't even know. 2429 01:28:41,250 --> 01:28:42,850 Oh, it's a, it's a pretty good show. 2430 01:28:43,270 --> 01:28:43,930 Um, let me see. 2431 01:28:44,030 --> 01:28:44,130 True. 2432 01:28:44,410 --> 01:28:45,030 Oh, I get it. 2433 01:28:45,130 --> 01:28:45,930 Let me see. 2434 01:28:46,110 --> 01:28:50,270 It's a, um, creators from true fans. 2435 01:28:50,470 --> 01:28:51,270 Is that yes. 2436 01:28:51,710 --> 01:28:52,970 Creators from true fans. 2437 01:28:53,190 --> 01:28:53,710 There it is. 2438 01:28:54,410 --> 01:28:57,230 Uh, Sam and Claire wait Brown. 2439 01:28:58,510 --> 01:29:00,750 So they haven't done this in late April. 2440 01:29:00,890 --> 01:29:01,290 Okay. 2441 01:29:01,410 --> 01:29:01,690 Yeah. 2442 01:29:01,710 --> 01:29:03,770 Although they haven't done one since May 19th 2443 01:29:03,770 --> 01:29:04,810 while Sam's on vacation. 2444 01:29:04,830 --> 01:29:05,510 So, okay. 2445 01:29:06,030 --> 01:29:06,410 It's hard. 2446 01:29:06,470 --> 01:29:07,690 It's hard to do a weekly show. 2447 01:29:07,810 --> 01:29:08,590 Trust me. 2448 01:29:08,590 --> 01:29:12,470 Uh, 55 55 from Chad F coming in 2449 01:29:12,470 --> 01:29:13,370 from Castamatic. 2450 01:29:14,030 --> 01:29:15,630 And he said, this is a row of 2451 01:29:15,630 --> 01:29:16,050 swans. 2452 01:29:16,530 --> 01:29:19,070 First lit boardroom booster Graham from Castamatic. 2453 01:29:19,390 --> 01:29:20,210 All right. 2454 01:29:20,330 --> 01:29:20,710 Nice. 2455 01:29:20,830 --> 01:29:21,630 Very nice. 2456 01:29:22,110 --> 01:29:25,090 Uh, source D 1701. 2457 01:29:25,230 --> 01:29:26,710 I'm waiting for Adam's new gig as a 2458 01:29:26,710 --> 01:29:28,250 vibe coding Twitch influencer. 2459 01:29:30,550 --> 01:29:32,790 And I'm waiting to see the subsequent vibe 2460 01:29:32,790 --> 01:29:34,830 coded GitHub repo in the interim. 2461 01:29:34,830 --> 01:29:36,810 Dude, you would be frightened. 2462 01:29:37,170 --> 01:29:38,130 You would be frightened. 2463 01:29:38,650 --> 01:29:39,850 That's a good point though. 2464 01:29:40,010 --> 01:29:41,550 You need to vibe code a GitHub. 2465 01:29:41,970 --> 01:29:44,030 You need to vibe code this up into 2466 01:29:44,030 --> 01:29:44,490 GitHub. 2467 01:29:45,390 --> 01:29:46,330 I don't think so. 2468 01:29:46,670 --> 01:29:49,470 Polish as the polish, the ending, the ending 2469 01:29:49,470 --> 01:29:49,970 triumph. 2470 01:29:51,590 --> 01:29:52,670 I don't know, man. 2471 01:29:53,310 --> 01:29:54,890 It's, it's scary code. 2472 01:29:55,770 --> 01:29:57,190 Uh, I don't know if I'm ever going 2473 01:29:57,190 --> 01:29:57,930 to get it completed. 2474 01:29:58,330 --> 01:30:00,150 That's a, it, what I have works. 2475 01:30:00,210 --> 01:30:01,430 It's not how I want it to work. 2476 01:30:01,430 --> 01:30:04,190 And every single LLM that I said, change 2477 01:30:04,190 --> 01:30:07,010 only this, it goes right in and says, 2478 01:30:07,170 --> 01:30:08,750 Oh, I don't need to use your feed 2479 01:30:08,750 --> 01:30:09,210 parser. 2480 01:30:09,310 --> 01:30:10,710 You don't need that user agent. 2481 01:30:10,970 --> 01:30:12,310 You don't need any of that. 2482 01:30:12,430 --> 01:30:14,330 Now let me change your liquid soap script. 2483 01:30:14,410 --> 01:30:15,210 It can be much better. 2484 01:30:16,210 --> 01:30:17,890 I just won't listen to me. 2485 01:30:19,150 --> 01:30:20,270 Um, let me see. 2486 01:30:20,350 --> 01:30:22,170 We have a two to three. 2487 01:30:22,350 --> 01:30:23,230 That's a show number. 2488 01:30:23,310 --> 01:30:23,750 A boost. 2489 01:30:23,830 --> 01:30:25,690 Thank you very much from user one, eight, 2490 01:30:25,730 --> 01:30:27,570 three, four, two, zero, two, two, five, zero 2491 01:30:27,570 --> 01:30:29,070 three, eight, two, two, six on fountain. 2492 01:30:29,790 --> 01:30:32,310 Thank you for your vibing in the, in 2493 01:30:32,310 --> 01:30:33,810 the refactoring folks. 2494 01:30:34,110 --> 01:30:34,710 Yes, indeed. 2495 01:30:35,490 --> 01:30:36,570 And I think that's it. 2496 01:30:36,630 --> 01:30:37,350 We didn't get a lot of that. 2497 01:30:37,350 --> 01:30:39,130 I think we were so enthralling today that 2498 01:30:39,130 --> 01:30:40,210 everyone was just listening. 2499 01:30:40,310 --> 01:30:41,370 They didn't think about boosting. 2500 01:30:42,330 --> 01:30:42,430 Yeah. 2501 01:30:42,530 --> 01:30:44,050 Or that's also called boring. 2502 01:30:44,630 --> 01:30:46,350 I don't know that we were boring. 2503 01:30:46,950 --> 01:30:49,270 Maybe it's possible. 2504 01:30:49,430 --> 01:30:50,450 I got a lot off my chest. 2505 01:30:50,970 --> 01:30:53,210 I've been known to be boring before it's, 2506 01:30:53,430 --> 01:30:54,170 it's in my DNA. 2507 01:30:54,550 --> 01:30:56,550 I never get bored of hearing your talks 2508 01:30:56,550 --> 01:30:57,290 pod stage. 2509 01:30:58,450 --> 01:31:00,090 Uh, what are we, uh, what are we, 2510 01:31:00,090 --> 01:31:02,910 uh, you would have thought that after all 2511 01:31:02,910 --> 01:31:03,850 those, I would have been prepared. 2512 01:31:04,030 --> 01:31:04,390 You'd be ready. 2513 01:31:04,530 --> 01:31:05,450 Kevin, you're ready to rock. 2514 01:31:05,570 --> 01:31:05,730 Yeah. 2515 01:31:05,950 --> 01:31:06,330 Yeah. 2516 01:31:06,490 --> 01:31:07,610 Kevin Bay, $5. 2517 01:31:07,850 --> 01:31:08,610 Thank you, Kevin. 2518 01:31:09,090 --> 01:31:11,530 I got a better system here. 2519 01:31:12,110 --> 01:31:14,070 Uh, Cameron Rose, $25. 2520 01:31:14,350 --> 01:31:14,970 Thank you, Cameron. 2521 01:31:15,390 --> 01:31:18,290 Uh, Chad Pharaoh, Chad F thank you brother. 2522 01:31:18,430 --> 01:31:19,930 $20 and 22 cents. 2523 01:31:20,710 --> 01:31:21,730 Uh, Mark Graham. 2524 01:31:22,550 --> 01:31:23,170 Oh yeah. 2525 01:31:23,350 --> 01:31:23,550 Yeah. 2526 01:31:23,550 --> 01:31:24,010 Mark Graham. 2527 01:31:24,110 --> 01:31:24,710 Uh, $1. 2528 01:31:24,870 --> 01:31:25,370 Thank you, Mark. 2529 01:31:25,930 --> 01:31:26,650 Uh, new media. 2530 01:31:26,750 --> 01:31:27,510 That's Martin Lindisco. 2531 01:31:27,650 --> 01:31:28,730 $1 pod page. 2532 01:31:28,870 --> 01:31:29,750 That's Brendan over there. 2533 01:31:30,550 --> 01:31:34,450 $25 Oscar, Mary, $200. 2534 01:31:35,210 --> 01:31:35,530 Woo. 2535 01:31:35,750 --> 01:31:37,170 I think he needs a little big baller 2536 01:31:37,170 --> 01:31:37,490 for that. 2537 01:31:43,130 --> 01:31:44,270 Thank you, Oscar. 2538 01:31:44,350 --> 01:31:45,490 And congrats on the launch. 2539 01:31:45,970 --> 01:31:47,950 Uh, Joseph Morocco, $5. 2540 01:31:48,930 --> 01:31:49,750 And that's it. 2541 01:31:49,750 --> 01:31:50,790 We got some boost though. 2542 01:31:50,850 --> 01:31:52,510 We've got, let me scroll all the way 2543 01:31:52,510 --> 01:31:52,830 down here. 2544 01:31:52,850 --> 01:31:55,590 We got whoa, booster Graham, one, two, three, 2545 01:31:55,710 --> 01:31:58,230 four from a Chris, you know, through fountain. 2546 01:31:58,590 --> 01:32:01,150 He says in response to salty crayons, boost 2547 01:32:01,150 --> 01:32:03,850 a reminder that if a podcasting app or 2548 01:32:03,850 --> 01:32:07,030 to add NWC, you'd be able to connect 2549 01:32:07,030 --> 01:32:08,190 Nostra wallet connect. 2550 01:32:08,510 --> 01:32:10,390 You'd be able to connect to at least 2551 01:32:10,390 --> 01:32:13,810 15 different wallets, some custodial, some non-custodial, 2552 01:32:14,210 --> 01:32:15,770 plenty that adhere to keep it simple. 2553 01:32:15,870 --> 01:32:16,130 Stupid. 2554 01:32:16,550 --> 01:32:18,370 You don't need to interact with Nostra to 2555 01:32:18,370 --> 01:32:20,690 connect to a wallet via Nostra connect. 2556 01:32:21,070 --> 01:32:22,550 The solution exists. 2557 01:32:24,410 --> 01:32:28,010 Say again, the solution exists. 2558 01:32:28,130 --> 01:32:28,350 No, no. 2559 01:32:28,630 --> 01:32:31,550 The piece before that, just all of it. 2560 01:32:31,790 --> 01:32:34,230 No, I just want to hear what was 2561 01:32:34,230 --> 01:32:35,550 said about Nostra wallet connect. 2562 01:32:35,750 --> 01:32:37,010 I want to hear it. 2563 01:32:37,010 --> 01:32:37,370 I'm sorry. 2564 01:32:37,710 --> 01:32:38,770 Oh, I'd already archived. 2565 01:32:38,890 --> 01:32:39,230 Let's see. 2566 01:32:39,310 --> 01:32:40,410 Uh, let me go back. 2567 01:32:40,650 --> 01:32:42,710 You don't need to interact with Nostra to 2568 01:32:42,710 --> 01:32:44,830 connect to a wallet by a Nostra wallet. 2569 01:32:44,850 --> 01:32:45,510 Oh, okay. 2570 01:32:45,590 --> 01:32:45,830 Yeah. 2571 01:32:46,470 --> 01:32:47,870 It's just poorly named. 2572 01:32:47,870 --> 01:32:48,110 Really? 2573 01:32:48,970 --> 01:32:49,950 It is poorly named. 2574 01:32:50,190 --> 01:32:50,290 Yeah. 2575 01:32:51,370 --> 01:32:53,010 Uh, one, two, three, four from CLAAS on 2576 01:32:53,010 --> 01:32:54,010 Linux through fountain. 2577 01:32:54,190 --> 01:32:55,870 He says, is what Dave is saying about 2578 01:32:55,870 --> 01:32:57,090 a straight MP4 file. 2579 01:32:57,250 --> 01:32:57,450 True. 2580 01:32:58,410 --> 01:32:59,350 Of course it's true. 2581 01:32:59,430 --> 01:33:00,610 I don't know what it was, but of 2582 01:33:00,610 --> 01:33:01,290 course it was true. 2583 01:33:01,490 --> 01:33:01,890 Absolutely. 2584 01:33:02,310 --> 01:33:02,410 Yes. 2585 01:33:03,550 --> 01:33:06,030 That it needs to always load everything before 2586 01:33:06,030 --> 01:33:06,590 it can play. 2587 01:33:06,650 --> 01:33:08,610 I put an MP4 file on object storage 2588 01:33:08,610 --> 01:33:10,310 and both the player in my web app 2589 01:33:10,310 --> 01:33:12,990 and the default video element started playing it 2590 01:33:12,990 --> 01:33:13,410 immediately. 2591 01:33:13,770 --> 01:33:16,190 And you would, and you would see HTTP 2592 01:33:16,190 --> 01:33:19,710 206 returned, uh, partial data or whatever it's 2593 01:33:19,710 --> 01:33:20,010 called. 2594 01:33:20,130 --> 01:33:21,790 And you can see a little buffer line 2595 01:33:21,790 --> 01:33:23,570 too, for what part it had loaded already. 2596 01:33:24,330 --> 01:33:29,910 That's it depends on the server and the 2597 01:33:29,910 --> 01:33:30,350 client. 2598 01:33:32,030 --> 01:33:35,270 Most historically, most of the podcast apps have 2599 01:33:35,270 --> 01:33:38,190 just downloaded first downloaded the whole thing. 2600 01:33:38,350 --> 01:33:38,470 Yeah. 2601 01:33:38,890 --> 01:33:40,610 If you have an, if you have a 2602 01:33:40,610 --> 01:33:43,470 very intelligent client and your object storage provider 2603 01:33:43,470 --> 01:33:48,150 supports range requests, then yes, I can see 2604 01:33:48,150 --> 01:33:49,830 it's possible to get pieces of the file 2605 01:33:49,830 --> 01:33:50,810 in a streaming fashion. 2606 01:33:51,030 --> 01:33:55,930 But, um, like historically speaking, most of the 2607 01:33:55,930 --> 01:33:58,410 client of the podcast apps, they do grab 2608 01:33:58,410 --> 01:34:01,130 the whole thing, but you know, maybe that's 2609 01:34:01,130 --> 01:34:01,350 changed. 2610 01:34:01,450 --> 01:34:02,930 Maybe that'll change over time. 2611 01:34:03,550 --> 01:34:07,510 Uh, comic strip blogger, wait, we're already at 2612 01:34:07,510 --> 01:34:08,090 the delimiter. 2613 01:34:08,590 --> 01:34:11,190 No, this is, this is a different CSB. 2614 01:34:11,430 --> 01:34:14,990 This is a 1515 from CSB to fountain. 2615 01:34:15,110 --> 01:34:17,170 He says, oops, my pod is called field 2616 01:34:17,170 --> 01:34:20,150 recording by CSB field, not fired. 2617 01:34:21,010 --> 01:34:21,410 Okay. 2618 01:34:21,670 --> 01:34:24,010 Oh, that was a, Oh, he followed up 2619 01:34:24,010 --> 01:34:24,450 on something. 2620 01:34:24,450 --> 01:34:24,890 I guess. 2621 01:34:25,030 --> 01:34:26,110 Did we say something wrong? 2622 01:34:26,170 --> 01:34:27,390 Did we say, did we say it wrong? 2623 01:34:27,410 --> 01:34:27,850 I'm sorry. 2624 01:34:29,050 --> 01:34:30,450 Um, let's see. 2625 01:34:30,490 --> 01:34:31,950 Oh, user. 2626 01:34:32,330 --> 01:34:32,770 Let's see. 2627 01:34:32,870 --> 01:34:36,450 June 1st is user nine, four, zero one, 2628 01:34:36,490 --> 01:34:38,170 eight, seven, three, four, eight, eight, eight, three, 2629 01:34:38,310 --> 01:34:38,870 two, eight. 2630 01:34:39,410 --> 01:34:43,550 Change that since 3,333 sets through fountain. 2631 01:34:43,750 --> 01:34:46,690 He says, and the podcaster said unto the 2632 01:34:46,690 --> 01:34:49,870 serpent, we may use any RSS host, but 2633 01:34:49,870 --> 01:34:52,270 streaming video to YouTube will make our audio 2634 01:34:52,270 --> 01:34:52,710 suck. 2635 01:34:52,930 --> 01:34:55,310 And we'll be distracted by scammers in the 2636 01:34:55,310 --> 01:34:55,930 live chat. 2637 01:34:55,990 --> 01:34:59,170 And the serpent sayeth unto the podcaster, surely 2638 01:34:59,170 --> 01:35:05,390 thy audio shall not suck right on Chris 2639 01:35:05,390 --> 01:35:06,830 last that's Chris over at Jupiter. 2640 01:35:07,350 --> 01:35:07,750 Okay. 2641 01:35:08,290 --> 01:35:11,050 Chris 5,000 sass through fountain. 2642 01:35:11,250 --> 01:35:12,590 He says, appreciation boosts. 2643 01:35:12,630 --> 01:35:14,050 Sometimes you just feel the need. 2644 01:35:14,270 --> 01:35:15,610 He's been knocking it out of the park, 2645 01:35:15,670 --> 01:35:16,750 man, with this week in Bitcoin. 2646 01:35:16,830 --> 01:35:17,810 I got to boost them again. 2647 01:35:17,990 --> 01:35:19,710 He's really knocking it out of the park. 2648 01:35:20,350 --> 01:35:21,630 He's got too many podcasts. 2649 01:35:21,630 --> 01:35:22,470 I got a prune. 2650 01:35:23,210 --> 01:35:25,410 That's, I mean, that's the podcast where I'm 2651 01:35:25,410 --> 01:35:28,210 always delighted when it comes out and, you 2652 01:35:28,210 --> 01:35:31,130 know, and every, the past, let's say he's 2653 01:35:31,130 --> 01:35:32,730 done two shows in the past two weeks, 2654 01:35:32,770 --> 01:35:34,410 but it was like three weeks, no show. 2655 01:35:34,490 --> 01:35:35,890 And it was, it was, it hurt me. 2656 01:35:36,150 --> 01:35:37,550 I was listening to like others. 2657 01:35:37,630 --> 01:35:38,310 I'm going to listen to this. 2658 01:35:38,370 --> 01:35:39,230 I don't want to listen to this. 2659 01:35:39,250 --> 01:35:40,570 I want to hear this week in Bitcoin, 2660 01:35:40,790 --> 01:35:41,070 man. 2661 01:35:42,150 --> 01:35:44,970 I kept up with Chris through Coder radio 2662 01:35:44,970 --> 01:35:47,570 and then he left that show. 2663 01:35:47,690 --> 01:35:50,210 So I don't, I've not been able to 2664 01:35:50,210 --> 01:35:51,590 keep up with him properly since. 2665 01:35:52,590 --> 01:35:54,130 Well, it's a great, it's a great podcast. 2666 01:35:54,830 --> 01:35:55,190 Yeah. 2667 01:35:55,210 --> 01:35:56,910 I'll need, I need to go and trim 2668 01:35:56,910 --> 01:35:58,390 down so that it pops up in my 2669 01:35:58,390 --> 01:35:59,350 feed quicker. 2670 01:36:00,550 --> 01:36:03,490 Bruce, the ugly quacking duck, 22, 22 real 2671 01:36:03,490 --> 01:36:06,090 ducks, the pod verse trying out pod verse. 2672 01:36:06,650 --> 01:36:08,810 I keep hearing stable coin in my dreams. 2673 01:36:08,930 --> 01:36:09,570 Help me, please. 2674 01:36:09,670 --> 01:36:11,110 LOL 73s. 2675 01:36:11,850 --> 01:36:14,250 73s kilo five alpha, Charlie, Charlie coming at 2676 01:36:14,250 --> 01:36:14,390 you. 2677 01:36:16,330 --> 01:36:18,470 Again, Bruce, the ugly quacking duck with another 2678 01:36:18,470 --> 01:36:20,170 22, 22 through podcast guru. 2679 01:36:20,370 --> 01:36:22,290 He says things always switch around when the 2680 01:36:22,290 --> 01:36:22,770 dust settles. 2681 01:36:22,870 --> 01:36:25,290 I hope podcasting will still remain fun and 2682 01:36:25,290 --> 01:36:26,670 an important part of us all. 2683 01:36:27,010 --> 01:36:28,390 I guarantee it. 2684 01:36:28,930 --> 01:36:30,930 Now everybody share a hug, share a secret 2685 01:36:30,930 --> 01:36:31,430 and hug. 2686 01:36:32,470 --> 01:36:33,990 Wait, don't we need to have, don't we 2687 01:36:33,990 --> 01:36:34,950 need to play that jingle? 2688 01:36:36,150 --> 01:36:37,090 What is it? 2689 01:36:37,390 --> 01:36:38,650 Everyone share a secret. 2690 01:36:39,050 --> 01:36:40,590 Everyone hug and share a secret. 2691 01:36:40,890 --> 01:36:41,530 This is it. 2692 01:36:41,530 --> 01:36:42,770 Oh, there's no winning. 2693 01:36:43,150 --> 01:36:45,690 We don't like to foster a competitive atmosphere, 2694 01:36:45,930 --> 01:36:47,130 but we laugh a lot. 2695 01:36:47,450 --> 01:36:49,510 Now everyone hug and share a secret. 2696 01:36:49,970 --> 01:36:50,850 That's right. 2697 01:36:51,230 --> 01:36:52,770 Call me strip blogger. 2698 01:36:52,790 --> 01:36:53,290 There he is. 2699 01:36:53,290 --> 01:36:53,550 The delimiter. 2700 01:36:53,950 --> 01:36:57,110 14 445 through fountain. 2701 01:36:57,230 --> 01:37:00,030 He says, howdy fellow Bitcoiners, Adam and Dave, 2702 01:37:00,270 --> 01:37:04,290 like yourself, me, myself, and many in your 2703 01:37:04,290 --> 01:37:05,690 audience are Bitcoiners. 2704 01:37:05,690 --> 01:37:09,350 So for the to Satoshi's sake, y'all 2705 01:37:09,350 --> 01:37:10,990 please subscribe to the podcast. 2706 01:37:11,270 --> 01:37:13,250 Bitcoin and dot, dot, dot. 2707 01:37:13,770 --> 01:37:19,370 Just go to Bitcoin, www.bitcoinandshow.com or 2708 01:37:19,370 --> 01:37:23,250 search for Bitcoin and dot, dot, dot in 2709 01:37:23,250 --> 01:37:24,310 any podcast app. 2710 01:37:24,610 --> 01:37:26,710 It's a cool podcast about Bitcoin. 2711 01:37:27,150 --> 01:37:30,590 Very interesting and chillaxing for us Bitcoiners. 2712 01:37:30,970 --> 01:37:35,090 Yo, CSB PS, follow me on X at 2713 01:37:35,090 --> 01:37:35,730 CSB. 2714 01:37:36,390 --> 01:37:38,050 Amazingly, just three letters. 2715 01:37:38,530 --> 01:37:40,670 C S B. 2716 01:37:41,410 --> 01:37:42,750 I reciprocate follows. 2717 01:37:43,690 --> 01:37:45,330 I think I've been on that podcast. 2718 01:37:46,630 --> 01:37:48,910 You've been on CS on the Bitcoin and 2719 01:37:48,910 --> 01:37:49,130 podcast. 2720 01:37:49,290 --> 01:37:49,730 I'm pretty sure. 2721 01:37:50,050 --> 01:37:50,790 Yeah, I think so. 2722 01:37:51,450 --> 01:37:52,930 I have like a lot of podcasts, brother. 2723 01:37:53,010 --> 01:37:53,810 I can't keep them track. 2724 01:37:53,990 --> 01:37:55,250 I, well, I've been holding off. 2725 01:37:55,330 --> 01:37:58,970 I have 75 podcasts or interview requests. 2726 01:38:00,210 --> 01:38:01,450 Oh Lord. 2727 01:38:01,750 --> 01:38:02,070 Yeah. 2728 01:38:02,070 --> 01:38:03,670 And I'm holding off much. 2729 01:38:03,910 --> 01:38:04,090 Yeah. 2730 01:38:04,110 --> 01:38:05,650 And then the minute our app is out 2731 01:38:05,650 --> 01:38:08,290 out of beta, I'm going to start contacting 2732 01:38:08,290 --> 01:38:08,730 everybody. 2733 01:38:08,870 --> 01:38:10,030 Oh, I just found your email. 2734 01:38:10,130 --> 01:38:10,230 Yeah. 2735 01:38:10,230 --> 01:38:11,370 I'd love to come on the show. 2736 01:38:11,990 --> 01:38:13,470 Gee, I was cleaning up my email. 2737 01:38:13,730 --> 01:38:15,110 I was cleaning up my email and I 2738 01:38:15,110 --> 01:38:16,730 saw that you said, well, yeah, I'd love 2739 01:38:16,730 --> 01:38:18,050 to do this now to have something to 2740 01:38:18,050 --> 01:38:18,670 talk about. 2741 01:38:20,330 --> 01:38:22,350 That's a, that's a classic. 2742 01:38:22,750 --> 01:38:25,030 Oh, I see that I missed this email. 2743 01:38:26,490 --> 01:38:29,230 I saw it 12 times and ignored it 2744 01:38:29,230 --> 01:38:30,150 because I didn't have time. 2745 01:38:30,290 --> 01:38:32,430 I hit a for archive and now I'm 2746 01:38:32,430 --> 01:38:32,690 ready. 2747 01:38:33,310 --> 01:38:34,830 Yes, I'm ready for you now. 2748 01:38:35,870 --> 01:38:36,490 That's it. 2749 01:38:36,550 --> 01:38:37,010 That's our group. 2750 01:38:37,150 --> 01:38:38,290 Oh, thank you all so much. 2751 01:38:38,350 --> 01:38:39,530 We appreciate the support. 2752 01:38:39,650 --> 01:38:42,150 All this support goes directly into the podcast 2753 01:38:42,150 --> 01:38:46,250 index.org funds to ensure that we keep 2754 01:38:46,250 --> 01:38:49,010 this system rolling because that's, uh, that's really 2755 01:38:49,010 --> 01:38:52,230 the community right there is, uh, is supporting 2756 01:38:52,230 --> 01:38:55,410 the servers, supporting everything working. 2757 01:38:55,470 --> 01:38:57,990 And we just appreciate it because that, uh, 2758 01:38:57,990 --> 01:39:00,050 I mean, I, I love that we set 2759 01:39:00,050 --> 01:39:01,190 this up and I love that it is 2760 01:39:01,190 --> 01:39:06,310 community, uh, supported by, uh, by podcast hosts, 2761 01:39:06,570 --> 01:39:11,870 podcasters, podcast apps, and listeners like you go 2762 01:39:11,870 --> 01:39:13,610 get a tote bag. 2763 01:39:14,390 --> 01:39:16,150 There's no tote bag involved. 2764 01:39:16,150 --> 01:39:17,590 Go to podcast index. 2765 01:39:17,770 --> 01:39:19,070 Of course we love the boost. 2766 01:39:19,190 --> 01:39:20,010 You can boost us. 2767 01:39:20,170 --> 01:39:21,850 You can, uh, the, the sats all go 2768 01:39:21,850 --> 01:39:24,190 into our node, uh, which still is, I 2769 01:39:24,190 --> 01:39:26,910 think, uh, one of the lowest fee nodes. 2770 01:39:27,030 --> 01:39:27,990 There's no fee essentially. 2771 01:39:27,990 --> 01:39:30,270 I think we only, there's no beginning fee. 2772 01:39:30,410 --> 01:39:31,970 You know, just try to give people liquidity. 2773 01:39:32,070 --> 01:39:33,650 If you need any, let me know, hit 2774 01:39:33,650 --> 01:39:34,050 me up. 2775 01:39:34,550 --> 01:39:36,470 Um, and it's just sitting there, just trying 2776 01:39:36,470 --> 01:39:37,610 to route stuff around. 2777 01:39:37,650 --> 01:39:39,670 Uh, and I think, uh, it's, I got, 2778 01:39:39,710 --> 01:39:41,190 I haven't even looked at it for so 2779 01:39:41,190 --> 01:39:41,570 long. 2780 01:39:42,670 --> 01:39:43,930 I rarely hope it's still running. 2781 01:39:44,550 --> 01:39:46,230 No, I would get, you would get alerts 2782 01:39:46,230 --> 01:39:47,190 if it wasn't running. 2783 01:39:47,690 --> 01:39:49,410 And Graham is always so kind. 2784 01:39:49,550 --> 01:39:51,130 You know, he's like, Oh, you guys got 2785 01:39:51,130 --> 01:39:51,650 a big node. 2786 01:39:51,750 --> 01:39:52,490 We got an update. 2787 01:39:52,650 --> 01:39:54,370 Uh, I'll do it at 3 a.m. 2788 01:39:54,370 --> 01:39:55,110 for you guys. 2789 01:39:55,550 --> 01:39:57,050 You know, just love that guy. 2790 01:39:57,270 --> 01:39:59,390 He, and he, are we up today? 2791 01:39:59,490 --> 01:40:01,190 Did we, did he, did he upgrade us 2792 01:40:01,190 --> 01:40:01,550 recently? 2793 01:40:01,650 --> 01:40:01,850 Yeah. 2794 01:40:02,190 --> 01:40:02,390 Yeah. 2795 01:40:02,850 --> 01:40:03,050 Okay. 2796 01:40:03,190 --> 01:40:05,150 It's, uh, it's actually a two, 2 a 2797 01:40:05,150 --> 01:40:07,650 .m. Upgraded us, make sure to got all 2798 01:40:07,650 --> 01:40:10,170 back up and running, uh, sent me a, 2799 01:40:10,170 --> 01:40:11,830 a ping when I had to unlock the 2800 01:40:11,830 --> 01:40:12,230 node. 2801 01:40:12,310 --> 01:40:13,370 The guy never sleeps. 2802 01:40:14,170 --> 01:40:15,290 No, he does not sleep. 2803 01:40:15,410 --> 01:40:17,550 No, him and Russell from pod too. 2804 01:40:17,610 --> 01:40:18,710 Neither one of them sleep. 2805 01:40:18,870 --> 01:40:20,250 Who says it's not the same guy? 2806 01:40:20,350 --> 01:40:20,970 I don't know. 2807 01:40:21,110 --> 01:40:22,010 It's very possible. 2808 01:40:22,450 --> 01:40:24,510 I mean, I post something on pod on 2809 01:40:24,510 --> 01:40:28,330 podcast index dot social and Russell does a 2810 01:40:28,330 --> 01:40:29,170 favorite on it. 2811 01:40:29,390 --> 01:40:31,170 And I know it's like three o'clock 2812 01:40:31,170 --> 01:40:34,190 in the morning and he's just like, he's 2813 01:40:34,190 --> 01:40:34,370 up. 2814 01:40:34,650 --> 01:40:36,550 He's never sleep, bro. 2815 01:40:37,830 --> 01:40:40,610 Uh, so for your Fiat fund coupons, we 2816 01:40:40,610 --> 01:40:41,130 accept that. 2817 01:40:41,250 --> 01:40:43,410 Of course at PayPal, go to podcast index 2818 01:40:43,410 --> 01:40:44,870 .org down at the bottom, scroll down. 2819 01:40:44,950 --> 01:40:45,910 There's a red donate button. 2820 01:40:45,990 --> 01:40:47,510 That's how you can support us any amount. 2821 01:40:47,610 --> 01:40:48,530 We appreciate it all. 2822 01:40:48,910 --> 01:40:50,930 And, uh, thank you, uh, boardroom for being 2823 01:40:50,930 --> 01:40:51,110 here. 2824 01:40:51,210 --> 01:40:51,950 Oh, steam bear. 2825 01:40:52,010 --> 01:40:53,750 We'll be next on the live stream. 2826 01:40:53,870 --> 01:40:55,530 Uh, I forget to promo him all the 2827 01:40:55,530 --> 01:40:55,830 time. 2828 01:40:56,010 --> 01:40:59,490 Uh, we'll bring in his crazy music, uh, 2829 01:40:59,630 --> 01:41:01,350 and we'll be doing that all live and 2830 01:41:01,350 --> 01:41:04,150 lit with, uh, with real time, uh, uh, 2831 01:41:04,150 --> 01:41:07,410 remote items, uh, splits and everything. 2832 01:41:08,050 --> 01:41:11,730 And now available on customatic brother Dave. 2833 01:41:11,750 --> 01:41:13,610 Uh, are you going into the woods again 2834 01:41:13,610 --> 01:41:14,090 this weekend? 2835 01:41:14,190 --> 01:41:15,090 What are you doing? 2836 01:41:15,130 --> 01:41:19,070 No woods, no, no woods, no woods. 2837 01:41:19,470 --> 01:41:23,650 Uh, any home, uh, improvement projects finishing our 2838 01:41:23,650 --> 01:41:26,690 closet organizer in our newly spiffy closet. 2839 01:41:26,950 --> 01:41:27,050 Yeah. 2840 01:41:27,110 --> 01:41:27,670 Let me guess. 2841 01:41:27,770 --> 01:41:29,790 You mean Melissa's closet where you have one 2842 01:41:29,790 --> 01:41:30,590 small side? 2843 01:41:31,370 --> 01:41:31,630 Yes. 2844 01:41:31,770 --> 01:41:31,890 Yeah. 2845 01:41:31,950 --> 01:41:32,690 That's how it works. 2846 01:41:32,910 --> 01:41:34,610 I have one hanging rack and a cubby. 2847 01:41:36,130 --> 01:41:37,670 Thank you very much for doing what we 2848 01:41:37,670 --> 01:41:39,830 see you next week, right here for podcasting. 2849 01:41:55,700 --> 01:41:56,600 They're cool. 2850 01:41:57,200 --> 01:42:01,320 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 2851 01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:05,200 visit podcast index.org for more information. 2852 01:42:06,140 --> 01:42:09,220 I don't have any pants on right now.