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Podcasting 2.0 for March 14, 2025, episode

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214, Poem Crate.

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Oh, yeah, everybody, it's a beautiful day in

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the Hill Country because, well, it's Friday.

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It's always a beautiful day when it's Friday.

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It is time for the official board room

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and board meeting of Podcasting 2.0. I'm

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Adam Curry here in the heart of the

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Texas Hill Country in the only board room

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that always observes Pi Day, and in Alabama,

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the man who always finds the root cause

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of your 429 errors, say hello to my

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friend on the other end, Mr. Dave Jones.

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Oh, you know what?

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What?

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You know what the stream deck is good

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for?

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You mean the one I gave you a

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year ago for Christmas?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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What is the stream deck good for, Dave?

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It's the perfect height to to prop your

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phone on.

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Your bag of popcorn so that you can

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reach into it during the show.

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It truly is the gift that keeps on

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giving, isn't it?

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It does.

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You didn't even know that was a feature,

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did you?

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No, it's fantastic.

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I'm so happy for you.

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Do you actually use that thing anymore?

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I mean, I doubt you do.

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Yeah.

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You do?

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Really?

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No, I use it, yeah.

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You got macro set up on it and

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stuff?

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I use it for like mute and unmute.

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Of what?

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Your microphone?

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Yeah.

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No, of the audio on the computer.

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I use it to launch.

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This is weird.

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I use it to launch.

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Your browser.

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Yes.

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I have buttons for different things to execute

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bash commands.

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I have a button to restart Umbral services.

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That's a pretty cool one.

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That's not bad.

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That's good to have.

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I got to tell you, in my Umbral,

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I'm going to knock on wood.

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It is so solid.

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It will run approximately two months and it

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runs on an old IBM.

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The Surface?

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No, Microsoft Surface 8, I think.

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Oh, not the Go?

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No, no, no.

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The Go died a long time ago.

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The Go went.

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Yeah, the Go went.

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The screen separated from the back and everything.

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It got all puffy.

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I'm like, I don't know what's going on.

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I don't want to see that thing anymore.

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No, but it runs Umbral.

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It runs on Ubuntu and it'll be fine.

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Then once every two months, just the whole

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machine, the screen will go black.

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Everything's dead and it's just dead as a

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doornail.

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Then I have to hard shut it down,

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long power button press, and then reboot it.

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Then it comes back and it's fine.

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It's about two months, like clockwork.

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I don't know what it is.

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You know how I know when my Umbral

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needs to be rebooted?

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It's when IPFS Podcasting sends me an email.

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That's exactly how I know too.

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Your node has been offline for 24 hours.

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I'm like, yeah, oh, wait a minute.

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It must be the Umbral node.

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You're so right.

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That's exactly.

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I need to have some sort of, oh,

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you got a glitch.

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Now my plug was, I was coming unplugged.

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No, don't do that.

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I'm good.

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I'm good.

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I need to have like an email, make

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like an IMAP script that'll check once a

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day for that email and then just automatically

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restart the Umbral.

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Now we're talking.

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To start nine, however, that thing will run

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for many, many months and then, and it'll

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just shit the bed.

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It'll just, it'll just be done.

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And then I have to hard reboot the

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whole box.

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But I noticed that one pretty quickly because

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I use a lot of services on it.

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Well, many months is better than two months.

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Still, it should be like just forever.

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Ever.

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I'm not sure why it does that, but

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that's You know what does run forever?

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Old PHP applications.

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No kidding.

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You mean like the Freedom Controller?

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I haven't.

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I have not SSH'd into my Freedom Controller

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in like two years.

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I think you had to SSH in them.

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You had to go into mine because there

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was a disk warning, I think, a couple

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of weeks ago.

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That's the first time I've logged into it.

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And years.

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Literally years.

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And it just keeps going.

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And what was it?

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Log files?

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Must have been log files.

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What was it?

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I don't even remember now.

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It was an easy fix though.

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The first thing I thought is, oh, that's

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gotta be log files or something.

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Probably it was log files, but I don't.

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But in general, the systems you build just

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run.

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I mean, that's your, that's your, it's in

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your DNA.

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You know, it's like you build a system.

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It's in your DNA.

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I haven't played that clip in a long

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time.

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Tell me about your sexuality.

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It's in your DNA.

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It's a DNA.

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What was it?

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Oh, Charlie Rose, right?

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Wasn't it Charlie Rose?

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That was Charlie.

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Tell me about this sexuality.

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It's in your DNA.

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Creepy guy.

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Was that Madonna?

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I don't know what that was.

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I never even heard that background noise.

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I think it was Madonna.

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What happened to Charlie Rose?

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Oh, you don't know what happened to Charlie

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Oh, he got canceled, right?

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Because he was walking around, had the interns

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come over to the house and was like,

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oh, my bathrobe fell open.

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Boing, oing, oing, oing.

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Oh, that's so bad.

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It is.

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He was like 78, you know, walking around

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with a, with his, with a boomer boner.

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That's no good, man.

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He got Matt Loward.

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You know?

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It was in that time.

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It is Pi Day, Dave.

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Happy Pi Day.

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Oh, yeah, it is.

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It is.

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Oh, I've got a, no, Boomer Boner cannot

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be a show title.

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That's not, I reject that outright, immediately, right

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now.

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No, that's not going to happen.

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That's not going to happen.

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I do have a, a public, a public

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service announcement.

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Public service announcement.

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State of Alabama.

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Oh, what's going on in the state of

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Alabama?

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It's about, it's about to get nasty here

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tomorrow.

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Bombshell.

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Okay, what's happening in the state?

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What do you got coming through?

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Tornadoes.

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Oh, tornadoes, really?

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Oh, that sucks.

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Tomorrow, tomorrow is about the scariest weather prediction

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I've seen in about a decade.

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So it's.

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It's for real.

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No, we're going to have, we're going to

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have, it's almost, it's, it's about a sure

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thing that we're going to have some violent

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long track tornadoes.

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Alabama or Mississippi, you really need to take

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this seriously because this is going to be,

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this is going to be pretty bad where

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people are going to, they will die tomorrow.

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So this is, you need to be, you

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need to be a weather, weather aware.

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Weather aware.

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I'm just taking a look at the, at

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the aviation weather.

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Let's see.

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What, what are the conditions that make it

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There's these huge streaks of, of updrafts.

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perfect mixture of, sorry.

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It's just a perfect mixture of conditions that

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like the, this, the biggest thing you go

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in the meteorology models, the biggest one you

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go off of is what's called the STP,

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the significant tornado parameter.

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from one to 10 in a bad one.

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A pretty nasty tornado event is probably five

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These numbers are like 10 to 15.

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I can, there's like three bands of, of

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weird weather that are circling around there.

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And I'm, and I'm concerned about Gordon too,

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cause this is going to get, there's going

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to be two rounds of these storms.

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He's driving to Nashville, isn't he?

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There's going to be two rounds of these

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And the first one, the first round of

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it's not going to hit Alabama too bad.

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There's still tornado threats, but it's mostly going

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to be up into like Kentucky and Tennessee.

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That's very concerning because he has all the

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bank account information.

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Emails, Gordon, send us emails.

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Drop, drop us some info.

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They're on a 10 day road trip.

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The main, sort of the main event for

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Alabama is tomorrow uh, around lunchtime to end

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of the night.

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And that's, yeah, it's going to be bad.

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So does that mean you have to be

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standby with the generator at the, at the

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office?

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Uh, yeah, I'm going to have to go.

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I'm actually, I need to get out on

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time today from the show, so I can

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go make prep for that.

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I got to make sure everything's, you know,

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taken care of for, for all that kind

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of stuff.

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Okay.

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Great timing too, you know, right during tax.

298
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Yeah.

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This corporate tax season could not be better.

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Sorry.

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It's all right.

302
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Because there's no one at the IRS anyway.

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There's no one to receive anything.

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They've all been, they've all been, uh, hatcheted.

305
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Yeah.

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I wonder what kind of, uh, what is

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the, what is the talk around the office

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about that?

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What are people saying?

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I mean, is it, what are the repercussions

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going to be?

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Just nothing?

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Nothing's going to change?

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I don't think much is going to change.

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Who do they, who did they let go

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of?

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People who, who investigate stuff, hopefully?

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Well, most of who they let go of

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so far are all people hired in the

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last year anyway.

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Um, so I mean, like there's not, I

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don't think there's going to be a whole

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lot, um, affected by it for most people

324
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because most, 90% of the audits and

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stuff that happened, they're all correspondence audits.

326
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Anyway, you get an automated letter and then

327
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there's a follow-up and you, you know,

328
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well, that's not the audit I had.

329
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The audit I had included the IRS agent

330
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checking out my airstream to see if, if

331
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it was why, why I needed that for

332
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my podcast.

333
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Can't just do it on your iPhone like

334
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everybody else.

335
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You, you had a, when was this was

336
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how long ago?

337
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10 years ago.

338
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It's, it's time.

339
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Oh yeah.

340
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It's different.

341
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It's different now.

342
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Yeah.

343
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There, there was actual people doing things back

344
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then.

345
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Now, now most of the IRS is that

346
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most of the IRS interactions now are automated.

347
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They don't want you to call them, you

348
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know, they, they just don't want to deal

349
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with it.

350
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Yeah.

351
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That's funny.

352
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I don't, it's, it's not, Dreb said it's

353
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all the new enforcement people they hired.

354
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They really didn't hire that many people.

355
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No, they had, they had a grand scheme.

356
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Yeah.

357
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They had like 87,000 they wanted to

358
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hire, but they couldn't find that many.

359
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Even they couldn't find a percentage of that

360
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probably.

361
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Yeah.

362
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They said they were going to hire like

363
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80,000 and then they, they ended up

364
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hiring like 7,000.

365
00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,400
7,000 is still a lot, bro.

366
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That's a lot of people.

367
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It is a lot, but they're all gone

368
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now.

369
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They got, get hatcheted immediately.

370
00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:13,580
Yeah.

371
00:11:13,660 --> 00:11:13,960
Wow.

372
00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:18,900
So we're going to have Tom Webster on

373
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next week, which I'm excited about.

374
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Was that already scheduled?

375
00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:23,240
Was that scheduled?

376
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This is just Providence that, that we had

377
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him scheduled and we had this back and

378
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forth breakout.

379
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If my middle name is Providence, then it

380
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was Providence.

381
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I did it this morning.

382
00:11:34,620 --> 00:11:34,740
Yeah.

383
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I reached out to him.

384
00:11:35,900 --> 00:11:36,260
Oh, good.

385
00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:37,700
Oh, good, good, good, good.

386
00:11:38,180 --> 00:11:38,400
Yeah.

387
00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,680
And you know, I've actually, I've wanted to

388
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have him on quite a few times just

389
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because I thought it would be a fun

390
00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:43,760
thing.

391
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Cause he's, I think he's got a radio

392
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background and that kind of thing.

393
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And so it'd be, I just think it'd

394
00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,760
be a good discussion similar to what, you

395
00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,640
know, we talked about with James and Dan

396
00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:56,960
Granger had you on his show.

397
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I just, I just think it's a good

398
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discussion.

399
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Cause we, we come like, we all come

400
00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:07,580
at these things from different vantage points.

401
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And it's nice to sort of, I don't

402
00:12:14,380 --> 00:12:14,520
know.

403
00:12:15,700 --> 00:12:18,260
It's nice to talk, to, to hear it

404
00:12:18,260 --> 00:12:19,240
both in real time.

405
00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,320
Like we're saying, you know, we, we see

406
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things from this angle and then he sees

407
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sometimes the same things from not really a

408
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different angle, but from just that he's got

409
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a different view of it.

410
00:12:32,700 --> 00:12:32,900
Yeah.

411
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And so it's, I think it's, it's cool.

412
00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:36,760
Like we had, you remember, we had Brian

413
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Barletta on the show years ago and that

414
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was a good discussion.

415
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So yeah, it'll be good.

416
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Well, I listened to his, to his article.

417
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I guess it's exactly the same as he

418
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wrote.

419
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It seems like it's the same, the same

420
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copy.

421
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And of course, you know, the first thing

422
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I look at after my Bible study in

423
00:12:55,140 --> 00:12:57,900
the morning, the first website I will look

424
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at is podcastindex.social just to see what's

425
00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:01,920
going on.

426
00:13:02,660 --> 00:13:06,920
You know, I subscribed to James and his,

427
00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,960
his pod news stuff, which is, so it's,

428
00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:12,480
it's, it's kind of cool because I get

429
00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,000
to see all the stories that he's talking

430
00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:15,280
about.

431
00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:16,880
Of course, I always have J65.

432
00:13:17,220 --> 00:13:17,720
What's that guy?

433
00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:18,380
J56.

434
00:13:19,300 --> 00:13:20,060
Who's the...

435
00:13:20,060 --> 00:13:20,360
J56?

436
00:13:20,740 --> 00:13:21,160
Who's, yeah.

437
00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,000
Who's the...

438
00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:23,720
The Nostar guy?

439
00:13:23,780 --> 00:13:24,400
The Nostar guy.

440
00:13:24,500 --> 00:13:24,660
Yeah.

441
00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:24,980
Yeah.

442
00:13:24,980 --> 00:13:26,760
I follow, I follow him on, yeah, I

443
00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,640
follow him on podcastindex.social through the, the

444
00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:30,380
Nostar bridge.

445
00:13:31,300 --> 00:13:33,100
And then I'll listen to pod news, you

446
00:13:33,100 --> 00:13:34,460
know, and so I kind of, you know,

447
00:13:34,500 --> 00:13:35,840
know what's going on.

448
00:13:36,380 --> 00:13:38,020
But this morning I was like, oh, this

449
00:13:38,020 --> 00:13:38,520
is interesting.

450
00:13:38,860 --> 00:13:40,780
And, and it was, it was kind of

451
00:13:40,780 --> 00:13:44,000
interesting to me because I think Matt, who

452
00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,360
did a, a response to that article.

453
00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,360
I don't know if he took it the

454
00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:50,920
right way.

455
00:13:52,930 --> 00:13:55,770
Because I didn't feel like any of, I

456
00:13:55,770 --> 00:13:57,910
mean, it's kind of, you know, it's clickbaity.

457
00:13:58,030 --> 00:13:59,850
Oh, podcasting 3.0. Okay.

458
00:14:00,110 --> 00:14:00,570
Yeah, fine.

459
00:14:02,130 --> 00:14:03,770
But I don't, I didn't, I didn't take

460
00:14:03,770 --> 00:14:05,310
it anything that he said negative.

461
00:14:05,430 --> 00:14:10,050
I have some, some thoughts about it because,

462
00:14:10,650 --> 00:14:13,870
well, first of all, I always find it

463
00:14:13,870 --> 00:14:14,230
interesting.

464
00:14:14,630 --> 00:14:16,390
We're going to talk about podcasting 3.0,

465
00:14:16,450 --> 00:14:17,090
is it successful?

466
00:14:17,970 --> 00:14:21,230
But remember, we've got branded, branded podcasts coming

467
00:14:21,230 --> 00:14:21,450
up.

468
00:14:21,510 --> 00:14:22,630
And you're like, okay, whatever.

469
00:14:23,750 --> 00:14:25,770
It's, there's money dripping off of the whole

470
00:14:25,770 --> 00:14:26,070
thing.

471
00:14:27,970 --> 00:14:30,810
But there was, he started off by saying

472
00:14:30,810 --> 00:14:31,570
fact.

473
00:14:32,670 --> 00:14:34,310
And I'm always ready for that.

474
00:14:34,490 --> 00:14:35,810
And I can't wait to talk to him

475
00:14:35,810 --> 00:14:35,990
about it.

476
00:14:36,050 --> 00:14:39,150
He said, podcasting hasn't yet cemented into daily

477
00:14:39,150 --> 00:14:39,750
life.

478
00:14:40,590 --> 00:14:42,350
And I'm like, wow.

479
00:14:43,690 --> 00:14:45,290
I don't think that's true.

480
00:14:45,930 --> 00:14:46,430
You don't?

481
00:14:46,590 --> 00:14:46,970
No.

482
00:14:47,150 --> 00:14:49,770
Well, he, he, he based it on a,

483
00:14:49,810 --> 00:14:52,910
on a cadence, a weekly cadence of, of

484
00:14:52,910 --> 00:14:53,510
updates.

485
00:14:53,750 --> 00:14:55,990
And I'm like, you know, I, I'm actually

486
00:14:55,990 --> 00:14:59,230
someone who can kind of speak to that.

487
00:14:59,350 --> 00:15:00,730
I've been doing this for a while and

488
00:15:00,730 --> 00:15:06,510
I have a podcast on Sunday, Wednesday, Thursday,

489
00:15:06,610 --> 00:15:08,670
yes, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday.

490
00:15:09,910 --> 00:15:13,190
And people are in the cadence of the

491
00:15:13,190 --> 00:15:15,450
shows that they subscribe to.

492
00:15:15,670 --> 00:15:18,650
They, what I find, and this is, I

493
00:15:18,650 --> 00:15:20,350
mean, I don't have actual data to back

494
00:15:20,350 --> 00:15:23,610
this up, but I talked to a lot

495
00:15:23,610 --> 00:15:23,990
of people.

496
00:15:23,990 --> 00:15:25,770
A lot of people listen to my shows

497
00:15:25,770 --> 00:15:29,950
and they get into, they, they adapt to

498
00:15:29,950 --> 00:15:32,330
the schedule of their favorite podcast.

499
00:15:34,090 --> 00:15:37,550
And, you know, there's probably 80% of

500
00:15:37,550 --> 00:15:40,010
the No Agenda audience listens to the Sunday

501
00:15:40,010 --> 00:15:42,690
show on Monday and they listen to it

502
00:15:42,690 --> 00:15:44,330
on their commute mainly.

503
00:15:44,830 --> 00:15:45,950
It's a, it's a big, you know, it's

504
00:15:45,950 --> 00:15:47,430
three hours, three and a half hours.

505
00:15:47,530 --> 00:15:48,750
So it's a big commuter show.

506
00:15:50,630 --> 00:15:52,970
Um, and it comes down to the hour

507
00:15:52,970 --> 00:15:54,870
even for like the Thursday show.

508
00:15:55,310 --> 00:15:56,710
If we don't, if we release that an

509
00:15:56,710 --> 00:15:58,310
hour late, people are antsy.

510
00:15:59,150 --> 00:16:01,470
So, but they, they have this the same

511
00:16:01,470 --> 00:16:04,190
with, um, with all of their weekly shows.

512
00:16:04,250 --> 00:16:06,190
They don't all come out on the same

513
00:16:06,190 --> 00:16:06,390
time.

514
00:16:06,410 --> 00:16:09,990
In fact, the Thursday and Sunday, uh, days

515
00:16:09,990 --> 00:16:13,190
were chosen very specifically as, okay, we think

516
00:16:13,190 --> 00:16:15,630
these are the right days that coincides with

517
00:16:15,630 --> 00:16:17,630
when news comes out, when we can process

518
00:16:17,630 --> 00:16:18,050
it.

519
00:16:18,370 --> 00:16:20,790
So Friday is when people jam everything into

520
00:16:20,790 --> 00:16:22,170
the mainstream to get it out.

521
00:16:22,270 --> 00:16:23,850
And, you know, let's bury this on Friday.

522
00:16:24,090 --> 00:16:26,150
So we have Saturday to process it and

523
00:16:26,150 --> 00:16:27,550
we can talk about it on Sunday.

524
00:16:27,670 --> 00:16:29,250
And then Monday is kind of slow.

525
00:16:29,290 --> 00:16:31,030
And then Tuesday and Wednesday, you got a

526
00:16:31,030 --> 00:16:32,510
little buildup and then, you know, we're kind

527
00:16:32,510 --> 00:16:33,790
of past the middle of the week.

528
00:16:34,690 --> 00:16:37,850
Um, but I, I, I found he was

529
00:16:37,850 --> 00:16:41,650
kind of had this, uh, he was mixing

530
00:16:41,650 --> 00:16:45,230
up different media types and podcasting is something

531
00:16:45,230 --> 00:16:47,110
completely different from radio.

532
00:16:48,010 --> 00:16:50,470
He's like, you know, there's the, you get

533
00:16:50,470 --> 00:16:56,270
in, well, you know, like you get into

534
00:16:56,270 --> 00:16:57,970
the car and you listen to the radio.

535
00:16:58,130 --> 00:16:59,390
It's one button of joy.

536
00:16:59,570 --> 00:17:02,290
Well, yeah, people get into the car and

537
00:17:02,290 --> 00:17:05,109
it's five buttons of joy because you listen

538
00:17:05,109 --> 00:17:07,670
for the time, the traffic and the temperature.

539
00:17:08,109 --> 00:17:09,829
And then when the commercials hit, you hit

540
00:17:09,829 --> 00:17:10,970
the second button of joy.

541
00:17:11,050 --> 00:17:12,310
And if that's in commercials, you hit the

542
00:17:12,310 --> 00:17:13,310
third button of joy.

543
00:17:13,470 --> 00:17:15,630
I mean, it's, it's like bouncing around.

544
00:17:15,730 --> 00:17:17,710
I mean, it's not like, oh, I'm always,

545
00:17:18,130 --> 00:17:20,069
I always get joy from turning on the

546
00:17:20,069 --> 00:17:21,630
radio for those who still do.

547
00:17:21,710 --> 00:17:22,770
And this is a lot of people who

548
00:17:22,770 --> 00:17:23,890
listen to radio in the car.

549
00:17:24,650 --> 00:17:27,010
Um, it felt to me like what he's

550
00:17:27,010 --> 00:17:32,050
looking for is stickiness, people using podcast apps

551
00:17:32,050 --> 00:17:32,970
all the time.

552
00:17:33,650 --> 00:17:36,770
Um, and I can understand that, you know,

553
00:17:37,090 --> 00:17:39,550
uh, you know, when you compare, cause he

554
00:17:39,550 --> 00:17:42,890
did this, he compared podcasting to YouTube and

555
00:17:42,890 --> 00:17:46,270
to Facebook and to Instagram and, and social

556
00:17:46,270 --> 00:17:46,730
media.

557
00:17:46,850 --> 00:17:49,290
Well, those are completely different things.

558
00:17:49,410 --> 00:17:52,590
But if you're someone who, who, whose livelihood

559
00:17:52,590 --> 00:17:56,390
depends on stickiness of people in an app,

560
00:17:56,390 --> 00:17:59,030
so you can insert ads or what, whatever

561
00:17:59,030 --> 00:17:59,350
else.

562
00:17:59,370 --> 00:17:59,590
Yeah.

563
00:17:59,590 --> 00:18:01,630
I understand that it's not working for you.

564
00:18:02,290 --> 00:18:04,150
And, and, but to blame that on the

565
00:18:04,150 --> 00:18:06,450
apps, which he kind of did, he says

566
00:18:06,450 --> 00:18:07,510
that it's, it's the apps.

567
00:18:08,150 --> 00:18:11,950
And I'm like, Hmm, that's interesting because you

568
00:18:11,950 --> 00:18:14,130
know, YouTube, I don't think that brings you

569
00:18:14,130 --> 00:18:15,030
consistent joy.

570
00:18:15,130 --> 00:18:17,510
It's, it's an algorithmic machine that is meant

571
00:18:17,510 --> 00:18:18,850
to suck you in like, oh, look at

572
00:18:18,850 --> 00:18:19,030
that.

573
00:18:19,090 --> 00:18:19,670
Oh, look at that.

574
00:18:19,710 --> 00:18:23,270
I did that last, uh, on Monday, I

575
00:18:23,270 --> 00:18:24,590
just sat down the couch and I'm just

576
00:18:24,590 --> 00:18:25,390
going to look at some YouTube.

577
00:18:25,930 --> 00:18:27,530
And two and a half hours later, I'm

578
00:18:27,530 --> 00:18:28,890
like, what, I had to repent.

579
00:18:29,030 --> 00:18:30,090
What did I just do?

580
00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:34,330
I'm looking at, you know, uh, cop, uh,

581
00:18:34,330 --> 00:18:37,790
body cams in, you know, arresting influencers, you

582
00:18:37,790 --> 00:18:40,970
know, it's like, you know, so yeah, you

583
00:18:40,970 --> 00:18:42,890
know, that, that, that's the, I don't know

584
00:18:42,890 --> 00:18:44,210
if that's consistent joy.

585
00:18:45,030 --> 00:18:48,430
Um, and then it kind of morphed into,

586
00:18:48,510 --> 00:18:50,090
it was, it felt a little disjointed, kind

587
00:18:50,090 --> 00:18:52,890
of morphed into what listeners want.

588
00:18:53,530 --> 00:18:57,250
And I think that's where my takeaway was

589
00:18:57,250 --> 00:19:01,010
that that's, was that I think one of

590
00:19:01,010 --> 00:19:06,770
the, his concept of a listener is, is

591
00:19:06,770 --> 00:19:08,930
I think something that I don't understand.

592
00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:12,770
Like, I think this is probably true for

593
00:19:12,770 --> 00:19:16,130
a lot of, uh, people that have an

594
00:19:16,130 --> 00:19:17,190
advertising focus.

595
00:19:17,790 --> 00:19:21,850
Uh, it, I, it's not that it's wrong.

596
00:19:21,870 --> 00:19:24,250
It's just that I don't, I find it,

597
00:19:24,290 --> 00:19:25,450
I think there's a miss.

598
00:19:28,340 --> 00:19:34,540
I cannot, I can't conceptualize a listener, I

599
00:19:34,540 --> 00:19:36,900
think in the way that he does.

600
00:19:37,660 --> 00:19:41,020
And so because like what, like you're, you're

601
00:19:41,020 --> 00:19:42,940
talking about your, you know, you've got your

602
00:19:42,940 --> 00:19:45,260
show, let's say there's no agenda and you're

603
00:19:45,260 --> 00:19:46,820
like, uh, you know, it's a, it's a

604
00:19:46,820 --> 00:19:50,480
Sunday and a Thursday cadence and you've, I

605
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:56,040
mean, you've got a huge, massive audience that,

606
00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,980
and, and some fraction of that would, I

607
00:19:59,980 --> 00:20:01,820
don't know how much, but some fraction of

608
00:20:01,820 --> 00:20:05,780
that is going to be extremely locked in

609
00:20:05,780 --> 00:20:06,720
on that cadence.

610
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:13,260
But then that's, but I don't think that's

611
00:20:13,260 --> 00:20:14,520
the listener he means.

612
00:20:14,620 --> 00:20:16,460
No, what, what he, what he was, okay,

613
00:20:16,540 --> 00:20:18,700
you're, you're driving in the right direction.

614
00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:21,680
What he is, what I heard him asking

615
00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:26,440
for is applications and or platforms, whatever you

616
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:26,900
want to call it.

617
00:20:26,900 --> 00:20:30,560
He said apps that keep people engaged and

618
00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,100
listening all the time on the podcast app.

619
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,720
Well, you're never going to get that because

620
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,680
that, that, that's not what they're built for.

621
00:20:37,740 --> 00:20:41,160
They're actually built to organize your own cadence,

622
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:42,100
your own listening.

623
00:20:42,340 --> 00:20:43,800
And you know, the minute I hear, well,

624
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,500
AI can solve some of this and like,

625
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,860
oh no, that that's not, you're never going

626
00:20:48,860 --> 00:20:49,460
to get that.

627
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:50,780
You're never going to get that from a

628
00:20:50,780 --> 00:20:53,820
podcast app because it doesn't, it's not, there's

629
00:20:53,820 --> 00:20:56,380
no one that I'm aware of, including Apple

630
00:20:56,380 --> 00:20:58,400
who, you know, are going to put the,

631
00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,420
uh, the, the bare metal behind it to

632
00:21:01,420 --> 00:21:05,080
track your behavior and suggest things that that's

633
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:06,120
not really what it's for.

634
00:21:06,220 --> 00:21:10,180
And so the thing that bugged me between

635
00:21:10,180 --> 00:21:13,420
what Tom was saying and Matt's response is

636
00:21:13,420 --> 00:21:15,680
the one thing that was omitted from the

637
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,800
entire conversation is the content.

638
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,700
It's the content that people listen to.

639
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,080
It's not the app that makes people want

640
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:24,180
to listen to, oh, I'm just going to

641
00:21:24,180 --> 00:21:26,320
to this random thing because it popped up.

642
00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:27,840
No, it's the content.

643
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,220
And you usually hear about it from someone

644
00:21:30,220 --> 00:21:30,680
else.

645
00:21:31,420 --> 00:21:35,340
And remember the most powerful term in broadcasting

646
00:21:35,340 --> 00:21:37,480
today is wherever you get your podcast.

647
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,160
So both things can be true that a

648
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:41,900
podcast is in a podcast app.

649
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,340
And if you consider a podcast, a video

650
00:21:44,340 --> 00:21:46,160
on YouTube, that's fine.

651
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:52,880
Um, but what we're doing here has very

652
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:57,820
little to do with driving more engagement or

653
00:21:57,820 --> 00:22:02,420
being, you know, or having more people use

654
00:22:02,420 --> 00:22:03,520
certain features.

655
00:22:04,860 --> 00:22:08,260
I, I just, this continuously, and even the

656
00:22:08,260 --> 00:22:11,680
responses, you know, well, normal people won't do

657
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:12,720
this or we'll do that.

658
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,680
Like, oh, by the way, all, all, all

659
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:15,740
listeners are stupid.

660
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,020
Apparently this is just not true.

661
00:22:18,820 --> 00:22:18,980
Yeah.

662
00:22:19,220 --> 00:22:22,220
People are, are willing to contort themselves and

663
00:22:22,220 --> 00:22:24,220
they will beg, steal and borrow to get

664
00:22:24,220 --> 00:22:25,500
the content they want.

665
00:22:26,660 --> 00:22:32,880
And, um, you know, RSS readers are still

666
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,080
a big thing today, but you don't hear

667
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,120
about them because people get their feed from

668
00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:40,380
these platforms that just give you a fire

669
00:22:40,380 --> 00:22:41,340
hose of stuff.

670
00:22:41,660 --> 00:22:44,020
And maybe you'll see the people you were

671
00:22:44,020 --> 00:22:46,120
following or the content that you're following.

672
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:47,800
Maybe you will, maybe you won't.

673
00:22:49,900 --> 00:22:52,700
Um, but with Matt's response, it kind of

674
00:22:52,700 --> 00:22:55,020
came into, well, I guess, because Tom said

675
00:22:55,020 --> 00:22:57,660
there's no steady hand on the tiller driving

676
00:22:57,660 --> 00:22:58,260
it forward.

677
00:22:58,660 --> 00:23:00,500
Well, this is, this is not a boat.

678
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,120
This is, this is not a boat.

679
00:23:03,540 --> 00:23:05,520
I didn't feel, I didn't, yeah, I thought,

680
00:23:05,620 --> 00:23:07,240
I think Matt misunderstood as well.

681
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,740
Cause the, um, I didn't, I didn't, I

682
00:23:10,740 --> 00:23:12,440
didn't feel like it was any sort of

683
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:13,320
shot across the bow.

684
00:23:13,620 --> 00:23:16,740
He said, he said, um, podcasting is a

685
00:23:16,740 --> 00:23:17,300
loose podcast.

686
00:23:17,460 --> 00:23:18,960
2.0 is a loose initiative.

687
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:20,180
And he's right.

688
00:23:21,020 --> 00:23:22,520
It's about as loose as it gets.

689
00:23:23,220 --> 00:23:25,260
There's still a very big misconception.

690
00:23:25,820 --> 00:23:28,840
And I feel James has this misconception and

691
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,160
Sam has this misconception.

692
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,880
You're not going to get to a point

693
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,740
where every, but every app has all the

694
00:23:35,740 --> 00:23:37,700
features or even a 10th of the features.

695
00:23:37,700 --> 00:23:39,420
And it was kind of interesting because I

696
00:23:39,420 --> 00:23:42,280
was listening to power and, uh, they were

697
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,440
talking about pocket cast the day released a

698
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:46,360
web player version.

699
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:48,920
And, uh, well, you know, it's kind of

700
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,180
the same thing Apple did only, uh, Apple

701
00:23:51,180 --> 00:23:52,280
may be better or whatever.

702
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:53,760
But the thing that I didn't hear them

703
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,600
say is right there in the web player

704
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,220
pocket cast displays chapters 2.0 chapters.

705
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,440
Apple doesn't have that.

706
00:24:02,180 --> 00:24:03,740
You know, I, I find that to be

707
00:24:03,740 --> 00:24:05,400
a huge win that pocket and they have

708
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:06,600
it in their, in their app as well.

709
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,120
I find that to be a huge win

710
00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:09,540
that they're doing that.

711
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,740
And so all these, these features, you have

712
00:24:11,740 --> 00:24:14,060
to understand, this is the big misconception.

713
00:24:14,940 --> 00:24:16,940
The media has fragmented.

714
00:24:18,220 --> 00:24:21,540
Um, your television viewing experience is it's a

715
00:24:21,540 --> 00:24:22,440
bunch of different apps.

716
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,940
It's Netflix, it's a peacock, it's Disney plus

717
00:24:25,940 --> 00:24:28,960
it's, you know, HBO or max as it,

718
00:24:29,060 --> 00:24:30,200
you know, that folded in.

719
00:24:30,360 --> 00:24:32,280
It's, it's just, it's a bunch of different

720
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:32,600
apps.

721
00:24:32,620 --> 00:24:35,460
And then, you know, hopefully whatever you were

722
00:24:35,460 --> 00:24:37,260
watching, you can pick up there from the,

723
00:24:37,260 --> 00:24:39,120
from the top row, continue watching.

724
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,180
Hopefully it'll, it'll give you a suggestion for

725
00:24:42,180 --> 00:24:45,040
something you might want to watch, but typically

726
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,500
you're like, Oh, I heard about this show.

727
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:47,180
What's it on?

728
00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:48,260
Oh, it's on Hulu.

729
00:24:48,420 --> 00:24:48,680
Okay.

730
00:24:48,820 --> 00:24:50,000
Do we have a Hulu subscription?

731
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:50,340
Yeah.

732
00:24:50,420 --> 00:24:50,720
Okay.

733
00:24:51,060 --> 00:24:51,640
Oh, we don't.

734
00:24:51,740 --> 00:24:52,960
Well, I'll get the month so I can

735
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,480
drop it after we've binged this show.

736
00:24:54,980 --> 00:24:56,880
Um, you know, you go in and you

737
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,620
watch your show and then you're done.

738
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,220
I pulled some stats because I thought Tom

739
00:25:02,220 --> 00:25:03,100
would enjoy this.

740
00:25:03,700 --> 00:25:06,180
Um, because I have a couple of interesting

741
00:25:06,180 --> 00:25:10,100
examples of podcasts and so I use OP

742
00:25:10,100 --> 00:25:13,720
three stats, um, because, and I just use

743
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,220
them across the board cause you know, no

744
00:25:15,220 --> 00:25:17,360
matter what you call a download a unique

745
00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:19,020
or any of this stuff, it doesn't really

746
00:25:19,020 --> 00:25:21,300
matter as long as we're using the same

747
00:25:21,300 --> 00:25:22,380
number every single time.

748
00:25:22,380 --> 00:25:24,240
So if I look at no agenda just

749
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,400
to get a rough idea, um, from OP

750
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:27,780
three.

751
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:34,520
So we had in, um, the last 30

752
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:40,200
days, 847,799 downloads.

753
00:25:40,540 --> 00:25:44,220
And according to OP three in February, we

754
00:25:44,220 --> 00:25:48,160
had 707,224 unique audience.

755
00:25:48,260 --> 00:25:49,420
I don't know what, what it means.

756
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,660
It doesn't really matter, but that's just a

757
00:25:51,660 --> 00:25:51,940
number.

758
00:25:52,100 --> 00:25:54,100
Now here's what, what is interesting.

759
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,760
Uh, no agenda is not on Spotify.

760
00:25:58,620 --> 00:26:01,400
And we're not on Spotify because well, and

761
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:02,640
we're not on YouTube and I'll tell you

762
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,820
the YouTube experience cause people have said before,

763
00:26:04,900 --> 00:26:06,820
Hey, can I put your shows up on

764
00:26:06,820 --> 00:26:07,060
YouTube?

765
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,380
So yeah, go ahead, do whatever you want.

766
00:26:08,940 --> 00:26:10,520
And after a while they come back and

767
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,160
say, well, I stopped doing that because I

768
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,040
kept getting strikes.

769
00:26:14,140 --> 00:26:15,440
I was about to lose my account.

770
00:26:16,900 --> 00:26:18,880
So, you know, I know that won't work.

771
00:26:18,980 --> 00:26:22,880
Um, Spotify, I'm glad that we never agreed

772
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,420
to their terms, which, you know, includes all

773
00:26:25,420 --> 00:26:27,640
kinds of advertising possibilities and stuff.

774
00:26:27,700 --> 00:26:28,960
I just didn't like, I just felt it

775
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:29,700
was kind of icky.

776
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,580
Um, so we never, we never built up

777
00:26:32,580 --> 00:26:33,560
an audience on Spotify.

778
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,700
And now I'm delighted we didn't because if

779
00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:38,780
they, if there's any kind of music in

780
00:26:38,780 --> 00:26:42,500
your podcast automatic, they remove the episode, even

781
00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:43,300
if it's licensed.

782
00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:44,800
And of course we have end of show

783
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:49,600
mixes, which are, um, uh, which are used

784
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,020
under fair use of parody and in education.

785
00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:54,800
Uh, but so every single show could get

786
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,220
a strike or be taken off.

787
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:57,180
And like, so I'm glad we don't have

788
00:26:57,180 --> 00:26:58,980
to deal with that, but let's just look

789
00:26:58,980 --> 00:27:00,520
at some of the numbers of the no

790
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:01,160
agenda show.

791
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:02,560
And this is OP three numbers.

792
00:27:02,940 --> 00:27:06,020
So the number one app, actually the number

793
00:27:06,020 --> 00:27:07,780
one place where people listen to the no

794
00:27:07,780 --> 00:27:11,280
agenda show is Apple podcasts, 37%.

795
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:12,000
I'll just do that.

796
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,120
I'll round up the numbers.

797
00:27:13,860 --> 00:27:17,880
Number two is pod verse with 14%.

798
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,840
Then comes podcast addict with 7% podcast

799
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,900
guru with almost 7% overcast with 6

800
00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:28,540
.2 pocket casts with 5.2 fountain with

801
00:27:28,540 --> 00:27:32,500
4.4 and antenna pod with 2.7.

802
00:27:33,260 --> 00:27:38,960
Now, if you just take those numbers, everything.

803
00:27:39,300 --> 00:27:40,800
And so that those are all 2.0

804
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:41,160
apps.

805
00:27:41,540 --> 00:27:43,560
And I know that people use those for

806
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,240
a number of reasons, but I know they're

807
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:45,940
seeing chapters.

808
00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:47,400
I know they're seeing transcripts.

809
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,860
I know that for whatever reason, maybe because

810
00:27:49,860 --> 00:27:52,060
we said, Hey, these are interesting podcasts apps

811
00:27:52,060 --> 00:27:55,620
to use that total number of those 2

812
00:27:55,620 --> 00:27:59,900
.0 apps is 39.7%. That's more than

813
00:27:59,900 --> 00:28:00,940
Apple podcasts.

814
00:28:01,380 --> 00:28:04,500
So more people are using two or at

815
00:28:04,500 --> 00:28:06,800
least being exposed to 2.0 features.

816
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,220
I presume they're using them.

817
00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:09,820
I presume they like them.

818
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:11,680
Then Apple podcasts.

819
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,640
Now you go over to, um, the web

820
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,880
browser, 11.1% of people listen to

821
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,640
no agenda at no agenda show.net.

822
00:28:23,020 --> 00:28:28,740
How much 11.1%. And if you go

823
00:28:28,740 --> 00:28:31,220
to no agenda show.net, what do you

824
00:28:31,220 --> 00:28:37,280
see chapters, uh, transcripts, scrolling transcript people, and

825
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,500
how does no agenda show.net get, I

826
00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:40,080
don't upload.

827
00:28:40,340 --> 00:28:42,400
They just get it from the RSS feed.

828
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,400
Also my RSS feed is shooting it to

829
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,720
wherever you get your podcast.

830
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,500
So if you take, um, the 39.7

831
00:28:50,500 --> 00:28:55,160
% plus the 11.1%, you're almost 51

832
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,920
% that don't listen on Apple podcasts and

833
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,260
no one listens on Spotify.

834
00:28:59,900 --> 00:29:00,200
Mm.

835
00:29:00,460 --> 00:29:03,100
I think, I think that's a pretty big

836
00:29:03,100 --> 00:29:03,520
win.

837
00:29:04,020 --> 00:29:07,420
Now let's look at another show, Curry and

838
00:29:07,420 --> 00:29:07,820
the keeper.

839
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,480
Curry and the keeper was never put on

840
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:11,360
Apple ever.

841
00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:13,280
I want it to be a 2.0

842
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:14,500
podcast only.

843
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,120
So if you look at that, the top,

844
00:29:18,180 --> 00:29:21,660
uh, podcast app with 47.6% is

845
00:29:21,660 --> 00:29:28,720
fountain number two, 10.56% podverse podcast

846
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,520
attic with nine and a half pocket cast

847
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,180
with 5.4 podcast guru with 5.4

848
00:29:33,180 --> 00:29:36,520
cast thematic with 4.6 and Apple podcasts.

849
00:29:36,780 --> 00:29:38,620
I guess people are subscribing themselves.

850
00:29:38,820 --> 00:29:42,660
2.93%. We're also not on, um, we're

851
00:29:42,660 --> 00:29:43,480
not on Spotify.

852
00:29:44,860 --> 00:29:49,360
Um, now very few people listen, uh, that,

853
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,220
uh, I think episodes.fm cause I, I

854
00:29:52,220 --> 00:29:56,080
tweet out a link is 1.05%. That

855
00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:00,240
show does about $15,000 in revenue from

856
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,720
fountain and PayPal with 5,000 unique audience.

857
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,920
I call that a huge success, a huge

858
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:10,540
success.

859
00:30:11,220 --> 00:30:13,920
You know, so in aggregate, if you're looking

860
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,220
at all podcasts, you can't do that.

861
00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:17,820
It's what do people care about?

862
00:30:17,940 --> 00:30:20,020
What content do they want to listen to?

863
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,560
You know, these numbers are interesting too, because

864
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,380
if you compare, like if you compare no

865
00:30:27,380 --> 00:30:32,920
agenda, not compare, but if you, if you

866
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,460
look at no agendas audience, the vast majority,

867
00:30:36,660 --> 00:30:39,780
I mean, I, here's what I'm trying to

868
00:30:39,780 --> 00:30:39,980
say.

869
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,820
If you were to do a Venn diagram

870
00:30:42,820 --> 00:30:44,860
of the number of people who listened to

871
00:30:44,860 --> 00:30:46,820
this show and the people who listened to

872
00:30:46,820 --> 00:30:48,840
no agenda, the overlap would be tiny.

873
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:49,540
Yeah.

874
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,940
There's hardly, there's very few people listening to

875
00:30:52,940 --> 00:30:55,840
no agenda that also listened to the boardroom.

876
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,700
And so most of, so that audience mix

877
00:31:00,700 --> 00:31:06,300
that you have that's 51%, you know, 2

878
00:31:06,300 --> 00:31:10,180
.0 or web that came, those are normal.

879
00:31:10,380 --> 00:31:12,260
Those are what you might call normal listeners.

880
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,720
They're not just like diehard 2.0 advocates.

881
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:17,360
Right.

882
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,780
You know, and it seems, it seems to

883
00:31:19,780 --> 00:31:24,500
me the only explanation for why that's the

884
00:31:24,500 --> 00:31:28,560
case is one, just, you know, behave, just

885
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:33,800
behavior that's inscrutable and with the web and

886
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,120
combined with the fact that you've been telling

887
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,000
people to go to these apps in the

888
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,700
show for four years now.

889
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,440
And for reasons, but for reasons, and the

890
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,720
reasons is no agenda.

891
00:31:48,900 --> 00:31:49,940
I say, Hey, you want to see cool

892
00:31:49,940 --> 00:31:50,380
chapters.

893
00:31:50,500 --> 00:31:51,580
You want to get notified.

894
00:31:51,700 --> 00:31:53,260
You want to have your app is connected

895
00:31:53,260 --> 00:31:54,040
to pod ping.

896
00:31:54,820 --> 00:31:58,180
And the amount of times that people will

897
00:31:58,180 --> 00:32:00,180
send me a note, you haven't uploaded to

898
00:32:00,180 --> 00:32:01,280
Apple.

899
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:02,860
So no, I don't upload to Apple.

900
00:32:02,860 --> 00:32:03,780
It's not how it works.

901
00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:05,300
If you want to get it within 90

902
00:32:05,300 --> 00:32:07,080
seconds, use these apps.

903
00:32:07,820 --> 00:32:08,560
Oh, okay.

904
00:32:09,060 --> 00:32:09,740
Then they're happy.

905
00:32:09,940 --> 00:32:13,540
But I guess my overall point is that

906
00:32:13,540 --> 00:32:16,320
wherever you get your podcasts is has never

907
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,620
been more prevalent now than ever.

908
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,260
The original intent of RSS in the enclosure

909
00:32:23,260 --> 00:32:28,520
feed was to activate one single device, the

910
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,380
iPod in a very low bandwidth world.

911
00:32:32,820 --> 00:32:34,820
We had always on computing.

912
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,020
That was the world in which podcasting was

913
00:32:37,020 --> 00:32:37,520
developed.

914
00:32:38,260 --> 00:32:43,020
So the idea that your iPod will be

915
00:32:43,020 --> 00:32:47,120
updated with content was just joyful by itself.

916
00:32:47,620 --> 00:32:49,160
Like, Oh my God, you know, cause if

917
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,800
you wanted to listen to a podcast and

918
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,580
you clicked, you would wait three to five

919
00:32:53,580 --> 00:32:55,840
minutes just for the, for the thing to

920
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:56,280
load.

921
00:32:56,820 --> 00:32:59,000
You know, there was, there was barely any,

922
00:32:59,420 --> 00:33:01,940
you couldn't really stream anything in there was

923
00:33:01,940 --> 00:33:02,760
no on demand.

924
00:33:03,260 --> 00:33:04,880
And that was the world in which it

925
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:05,440
was developed.

926
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,740
And that kind of grew out now into

927
00:33:07,740 --> 00:33:12,200
RSS is a distribution mechanism and a feature

928
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,140
mechanism, really.

929
00:33:14,060 --> 00:33:18,220
And so when I see, um, when, when,

930
00:33:18,220 --> 00:33:20,840
I mean, even what a great example, even

931
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,620
these, these two pieces of content, I listened

932
00:33:24,620 --> 00:33:26,820
to what Tom had to say in my

933
00:33:26,820 --> 00:33:29,820
web browser on podcasting X dot social.

934
00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:35,320
I listened, kind of watched, uh, Matt's response

935
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:35,980
on YouTube.

936
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,240
You know, now would it be easy to

937
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,700
go back and find, uh, uh, Matt's response

938
00:33:42,700 --> 00:33:44,580
or subscribe to him?

939
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:45,700
Probably not Tom.

940
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:45,980
Yeah.

941
00:33:45,980 --> 00:33:47,880
I could probably find that pretty easy if

942
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:48,500
I wanted to.

943
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,800
The thing is wherever you get your podcast

944
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,100
is just a fact.

945
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,980
Um, most of the people who listen to

946
00:33:54,980 --> 00:33:58,000
curry in the keeper, I'll say you should

947
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:58,660
listen to our show.

948
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,480
And then they open up duck, duck, go,

949
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,700
and they type in curry in the keeper

950
00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:04,160
and they click on the link and then

951
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,960
they see a player and they play.

952
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,020
And I said, well, you can use a

953
00:34:08,020 --> 00:34:08,659
podcast app.

954
00:34:08,739 --> 00:34:08,860
Yeah.

955
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:09,739
I've seen that thing.

956
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:10,920
Yeah.

957
00:34:11,420 --> 00:34:16,120
It's what, what your RSS feed gives you

958
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,900
is the capability to have your content distributed

959
00:34:19,900 --> 00:34:22,060
to many, many different places.

960
00:34:22,179 --> 00:34:25,880
Pod page, another great example, you know, it's

961
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,719
not just an app anymore.

962
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,060
And we have to get over this, this

963
00:34:31,060 --> 00:34:33,060
idea that the apps are going to be,

964
00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:35,120
you know, the full blown experience because they're

965
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,120
just not, it was very relevant back when

966
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,679
we had feed readers and we loved it.

967
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,100
Now, do I still use a feed reader?

968
00:34:43,219 --> 00:34:43,580
Yeah, sure.

969
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,659
From time to time, but it's not my

970
00:34:45,659 --> 00:34:47,560
primary way of consuming anything.

971
00:34:48,219 --> 00:34:51,280
Um, lots of podcasts, I'll just, you know,

972
00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:52,699
hit the page and just listen.

973
00:34:52,780 --> 00:34:55,340
And if I want to subscribe, I agree.

974
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,200
I'm not your normal podcast listener.

975
00:34:57,240 --> 00:34:59,240
So I subscribe to a lot of things,

976
00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:00,980
but I never go looking forward to say,

977
00:35:01,060 --> 00:35:02,540
Oh, what showed up in the feed today?

978
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:03,700
I'll grab this.

979
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:04,420
I'll listen.

980
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:05,820
There's a lot more stuff in there that

981
00:35:05,820 --> 00:35:07,380
I don't listen to than I do listen

982
00:35:07,380 --> 00:35:07,660
to.

983
00:35:09,460 --> 00:35:11,800
So Kiwi bones, it says how many people

984
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,900
these days would still have their VCRs flashing

985
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:16,220
12, 12 o'clock.

986
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,400
Young people may not even understand what that

987
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,600
means, but you know, it just means that

988
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,820
you never took the time to set the,

989
00:35:23,860 --> 00:35:25,400
you set the time on the VCR and

990
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:26,440
it's just always flashing.

991
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:27,060
Right.

992
00:35:27,380 --> 00:35:30,200
I mean, that's, I think that's a good

993
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,780
point because I mean, most, most people are

994
00:35:34,780 --> 00:35:38,760
not going to, I don't know.

995
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:39,980
There's this weird tension.

996
00:35:40,740 --> 00:35:47,780
Um, there's this weird tension between people not,

997
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,520
they're not going to exert a lot of

998
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:55,300
effort over techie over what seems like technical,

999
00:35:55,620 --> 00:36:01,320
um, fussing, like just setting the clock on

1000
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:01,820
your VCR.

1001
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,240
They're like, I've got to watch what, what

1002
00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:05,140
I need to waste my time doing that.

1003
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,440
And then, but at the same time they'll

1004
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,420
go find the content they want.

1005
00:36:10,500 --> 00:36:11,460
I mean, they'll seek it out.

1006
00:36:11,540 --> 00:36:18,620
Like there's this sort of dual, um, I

1007
00:36:18,620 --> 00:36:18,780
don't know.

1008
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,340
It's almost a paradox where I'm willing to

1009
00:36:21,340 --> 00:36:26,240
exert the effort over some over this thing,

1010
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:29,540
but I'm not going to futz around with

1011
00:36:29,540 --> 00:36:32,640
the technicalities of this thing.

1012
00:36:32,660 --> 00:36:34,280
So whether I, I'm going to go get

1013
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:35,820
the content, but if I land in a

1014
00:36:35,820 --> 00:36:37,640
web browser, when I try to find it,

1015
00:36:37,660 --> 00:36:38,220
I'm fine.

1016
00:36:38,420 --> 00:36:38,860
Exactly.

1017
00:36:39,220 --> 00:36:40,560
I don't really care.

1018
00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:42,820
And by the way, I think that the

1019
00:36:42,820 --> 00:36:46,120
biggest, there's two success stories in my mind.

1020
00:36:46,780 --> 00:36:49,660
I think fountain is a huge success story

1021
00:36:49,660 --> 00:36:53,200
because fountain has everything that Tom talked about.

1022
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,760
When you, if you're into fountain and you

1023
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,600
open up the app, you're going to see

1024
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,400
people you follow, they're recommending stuff.

1025
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,220
People are commenting on, on shows with booster

1026
00:37:06,220 --> 00:37:06,740
grams.

1027
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,100
And then you can comment back on that.

1028
00:37:09,100 --> 00:37:12,420
There's all kinds of interactivity happening, all kinds

1029
00:37:12,420 --> 00:37:12,880
of stuff.

1030
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:14,400
There's no agenda show.

1031
00:37:14,980 --> 00:37:17,320
One of the most fun things I find,

1032
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,300
which is really only kind of available in

1033
00:37:20,300 --> 00:37:23,740
Curio caster, just by a web embed is

1034
00:37:23,740 --> 00:37:24,640
the troll room.

1035
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,580
So there's 2000 people listening live on average.

1036
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:30,340
It's a little bit higher, you know, to

1037
00:37:30,340 --> 00:37:33,200
Thursday and Sunday we've had, you know, we've

1038
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,280
had people, 4,000 people listening live.

1039
00:37:35,740 --> 00:37:38,100
And there's just a scrolling IRC channel of

1040
00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:39,260
all kinds of stuff.

1041
00:37:39,420 --> 00:37:41,800
And people are giving each other karma.

1042
00:37:42,100 --> 00:37:43,700
This is your thumbs, you know, your thumbs

1043
00:37:43,700 --> 00:37:45,500
up stuff and all, all the things that

1044
00:37:45,500 --> 00:37:46,400
we've been talking about.

1045
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,740
And it exists only within this little world.

1046
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,900
You have to go to troll room.io

1047
00:37:51,900 --> 00:37:53,600
and that, you know, the, you've got to

1048
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:54,440
log in.

1049
00:37:54,540 --> 00:37:55,900
And if you want to post, you have

1050
00:37:55,900 --> 00:37:56,720
to authenticate.

1051
00:37:56,820 --> 00:37:57,700
And it's, Oh, it's horrible.

1052
00:37:57,780 --> 00:37:58,440
It's very difficult.

1053
00:37:58,540 --> 00:37:59,660
Everything always goes wrong.

1054
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,900
But people somehow figured out and they do

1055
00:38:02,900 --> 00:38:03,660
it and they love it.

1056
00:38:03,820 --> 00:38:04,740
And it's a party.

1057
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,000
It's an absolute bonanza of a party.

1058
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,480
Not a podcast app.

1059
00:38:10,100 --> 00:38:12,340
It's just a web thing that people get

1060
00:38:12,340 --> 00:38:12,600
into.

1061
00:38:12,740 --> 00:38:15,560
And some people use an IRC client, others

1062
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:16,700
just do it on the website.

1063
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,700
So my point is we're not building radios

1064
00:38:20,700 --> 00:38:21,080
anymore.

1065
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,360
We are building a feature set that can

1066
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,280
be used in many different ways.

1067
00:38:27,340 --> 00:38:29,780
As you, as we're seeing with Godcaster, it

1068
00:38:29,780 --> 00:38:31,900
can be used in so many different ways

1069
00:38:31,900 --> 00:38:34,500
that we haven't even started to explore.

1070
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,220
I mean, right now I've got a developer

1071
00:38:38,220 --> 00:38:42,160
named Paul, Paul Blair, and he's building an

1072
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,100
app for me, an app for Hello Fred.

1073
00:38:45,060 --> 00:38:46,140
It's amazing.

1074
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:47,760
And what is it based on?

1075
00:38:47,820 --> 00:38:49,260
It's based on RSS feeds.

1076
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,060
And what are the features going to be?

1077
00:38:51,740 --> 00:38:53,600
It's going to be all kinds of 2

1078
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:54,880
.0 features in there.

1079
00:38:56,940 --> 00:38:58,340
Maybe I'm building a radio.

1080
00:38:58,460 --> 00:38:59,880
Maybe that's the one button joy.

1081
00:38:59,980 --> 00:39:01,120
Hey, you want Adam's world?

1082
00:39:01,420 --> 00:39:03,480
Just get this app and click on it.

1083
00:39:03,500 --> 00:39:04,880
And there's my world or whatever.

1084
00:39:05,460 --> 00:39:08,020
I think there's a lot of different opportunities

1085
00:39:08,020 --> 00:39:11,740
that we just, we're kind of stuck.

1086
00:39:11,900 --> 00:39:12,580
We're stuck in it.

1087
00:39:12,780 --> 00:39:15,740
So it's not that no one has their

1088
00:39:15,740 --> 00:39:18,080
hand on the tiller.

1089
00:39:18,460 --> 00:39:19,840
It's we're on a sandbank.

1090
00:39:20,580 --> 00:39:21,660
We've run aground.

1091
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,220
But not with what we're doing, but with

1092
00:39:26,220 --> 00:39:27,480
the concept.

1093
00:39:28,420 --> 00:39:31,240
Because people just, they're just as used to

1094
00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:33,400
going to YouTube to find something as they

1095
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,740
are to going to Spotify or whatever else.

1096
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,740
It's not that podcasts have to be consumed

1097
00:39:39,740 --> 00:39:40,780
in a podcast app.

1098
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:41,940
Proof is there.

1099
00:39:42,420 --> 00:39:44,380
I had no idea until I went looking

1100
00:39:44,380 --> 00:39:45,400
because I don't look at numbers.

1101
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:46,920
No number to look at is, can I

1102
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:47,540
pay the mortgage?

1103
00:39:48,340 --> 00:39:50,580
And I see 11% of people using

1104
00:39:50,580 --> 00:39:51,800
noagendashow.net.

1105
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:52,940
That's a lot.

1106
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:56,520
That is a surprising amount.

1107
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,540
That's hundreds of thousands of people listening on

1108
00:40:00,540 --> 00:40:01,840
a website.

1109
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:02,760
Why?

1110
00:40:02,940 --> 00:40:03,640
I don't know.

1111
00:40:04,260 --> 00:40:05,140
That's what they like.

1112
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:06,000
It's snazzy.

1113
00:40:07,300 --> 00:40:12,120
And Tim who built the website, he doesn't

1114
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:12,760
have to do much.

1115
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:13,560
It's all automated.

1116
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,480
Whenever I publish, it goes into the feed

1117
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,160
and shows up there and shows up all

1118
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:18,920
kinds of places.

1119
00:40:19,220 --> 00:40:21,280
And part of it goes to bingit.io.

1120
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:22,640
So it's distribution.

1121
00:40:22,900 --> 00:40:24,540
If you want to do a podcast and

1122
00:40:24,540 --> 00:40:26,380
just put it on YouTube, and by the

1123
00:40:26,380 --> 00:40:29,160
way, there's other places than YouTube where podcasts

1124
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:29,860
are being consumed.

1125
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,660
No one talks about Rumble, but they have

1126
00:40:31,660 --> 00:40:32,280
market share.

1127
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:34,820
There's other places.

1128
00:40:35,580 --> 00:40:37,600
If you don't want to control that and

1129
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,640
you want to risk, take all, it's like

1130
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,940
people more and more these days saying, hey

1131
00:40:42,940 --> 00:40:44,700
man, you can live stream to spaces.

1132
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,340
I say, why would I do that?

1133
00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:49,880
First of all, it's the worst experience because

1134
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:50,800
you have to stay there.

1135
00:40:50,860 --> 00:40:53,660
You can't use the app and scroll around

1136
00:40:53,660 --> 00:40:55,300
and do other things while you're listening to

1137
00:40:55,300 --> 00:40:55,920
a space.

1138
00:40:56,420 --> 00:40:58,480
And second of all, it's like, well, what

1139
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,480
if I build up an audience there and

1140
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,100
Elon sells it or he changes his mind

1141
00:41:03,100 --> 00:41:04,200
or whatever happens?

1142
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:05,980
I have no control over that.

1143
00:41:06,540 --> 00:41:07,720
Why would I do that?

1144
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,940
This, the, one of the, one of the

1145
00:41:10,940 --> 00:41:14,240
ways that I, um, I spent a lot

1146
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:17,540
of time this week thinking about, um, I

1147
00:41:17,540 --> 00:41:19,220
don't know, just, just trying to step back

1148
00:41:19,220 --> 00:41:21,480
and take a 50,000 foot view of

1149
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:21,780
things.

1150
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,340
And, um, it was helpful.

1151
00:41:25,860 --> 00:41:27,080
And one of the way, I think I,

1152
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,940
I think I came to Tom's article in

1153
00:41:30,940 --> 00:41:32,320
sort of a good mindset.

1154
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,020
It hit me, it hit me at the,

1155
00:41:36,140 --> 00:41:38,040
it sort of hit me at a, at

1156
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,520
a good point because there's been a lot

1157
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,120
of criticism of 2.0 lately.

1158
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:43,680
And so I think I was just in

1159
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,180
a bad place, you know, like last week.

1160
00:41:46,180 --> 00:41:47,540
And I'm glad that he wrote that this

1161
00:41:47,540 --> 00:41:49,340
week so that I could had a chance

1162
00:41:49,340 --> 00:41:51,860
to come, come at it with a different

1163
00:41:51,860 --> 00:41:52,360
outlook.

1164
00:41:52,940 --> 00:41:56,540
And, um, you know, I think that it

1165
00:41:56,540 --> 00:42:04,260
may be just that people, uh, who love,

1166
00:42:04,580 --> 00:42:11,980
who really love podcasting that, uh, people like

1167
00:42:11,980 --> 00:42:14,660
Tom and James and, and, uh, and some

1168
00:42:14,660 --> 00:42:19,860
others, um, Mark Asquith and some others, I

1169
00:42:19,860 --> 00:42:23,000
think what they're wanting, and I'd like to

1170
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,180
ask him about that this next week is,

1171
00:42:25,180 --> 00:42:29,260
I think there, I think there may, they

1172
00:42:29,260 --> 00:42:33,880
may be, um, annoyed by the, by the

1173
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,920
fact that these other platforms have, seem to

1174
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:45,000
have such like polish and unified experiences, like,

1175
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,780
and they want podcasting to have some of

1176
00:42:47,780 --> 00:42:52,900
that, you know, cause it's, it's hard, you

1177
00:42:52,900 --> 00:42:54,580
know, to take it as an ad, like

1178
00:42:54,580 --> 00:42:57,160
an advertiser focus, which is what the, you

1179
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,760
know, podcast industrial complex is.

1180
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,840
I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's an advertising

1181
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,240
focused thing and take it, you know, like

1182
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:08,140
if you're, if you're in that world and

1183
00:43:08,140 --> 00:43:14,440
you're trying to sell ads into podcasting, it's

1184
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:15,180
gotta be hard.

1185
00:43:15,340 --> 00:43:17,760
It's gotta be very hard because you're, because

1186
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:18,880
podcasting is a mess.

1187
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:23,520
It was never built to really sustain, um,

1188
00:43:23,900 --> 00:43:28,480
uh, advertising, um, uh, mechanisms.

1189
00:43:28,860 --> 00:43:33,160
I mean, again, people don't enjoy podcasts.

1190
00:43:33,260 --> 00:43:34,700
They enjoy content.

1191
00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:37,500
Now, if you call that a podcast and

1192
00:43:37,500 --> 00:43:39,300
you get it, what you think, you don't

1193
00:43:39,300 --> 00:43:41,260
need to get it in one particular, but

1194
00:43:41,260 --> 00:43:42,400
people want content.

1195
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:47,280
When I was in 1975, yeah, come on.

1196
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:48,820
And then my, sit on my knee, young

1197
00:43:48,820 --> 00:43:50,440
man, I'll tell you a story.

1198
00:43:50,580 --> 00:43:52,220
When I was a kid, when I was

1199
00:43:52,220 --> 00:43:56,760
a kid, uh, we had FM radio blanketing

1200
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,720
the entire country of the Netherlands, crystal clear,

1201
00:43:59,900 --> 00:44:03,660
beautiful signal, never crapped out, uh, repeaters everywhere.

1202
00:44:04,180 --> 00:44:06,840
But yet we would get our little transistor

1203
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,640
radios and listen to long wave, not medium

1204
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,940
wave, long wave to listen to the pirate

1205
00:44:13,940 --> 00:44:16,180
ships in the North sea to listen to

1206
00:44:16,180 --> 00:44:16,620
music.

1207
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,320
So when you hear stairway to heaven on

1208
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,600
a long wave signal, it's not quite the

1209
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,720
same experience as FM, but we didn't care

1210
00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:28,260
because this is what we wanted to hear.

1211
00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:31,700
When MP3s first came out, nobody's going to

1212
00:44:31,700 --> 00:44:32,860
listen to music on that.

1213
00:44:32,940 --> 00:44:34,680
That quality is horrible.

1214
00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:35,500
Yeah.

1215
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,300
128 kilobyte.

1216
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:38,840
That's no good.

1217
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:40,260
And here we are.

1218
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,220
It's always going to be the content that

1219
00:44:43,220 --> 00:44:43,960
drives it.

1220
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:45,240
I mean, come on.

1221
00:44:46,300 --> 00:44:48,540
I mean, the faces of death video, which

1222
00:44:48,540 --> 00:44:51,340
not everyone will understand that reference, but I

1223
00:44:51,340 --> 00:44:51,900
watched it.

1224
00:44:52,060 --> 00:44:53,920
It must've been the 20th generation.

1225
00:44:54,780 --> 00:44:55,960
And it was still cool.

1226
00:44:55,980 --> 00:44:57,280
And it was still cool.

1227
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,200
Like when you, when you see all those

1228
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,040
people dying in these horrific ways, and then

1229
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,100
the people eating the brains out of the

1230
00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:07,400
monkey's head and had the static stripes across

1231
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,000
it because it'd been copied so many times

1232
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,460
and then you have the sink would go

1233
00:45:11,460 --> 00:45:11,780
up.

1234
00:45:12,020 --> 00:45:12,940
But that's the point.

1235
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,640
It's the content that you want.

1236
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,100
If cereal had come out on just a

1237
00:45:18,100 --> 00:45:20,780
webpage, I still think it would have been

1238
00:45:20,780 --> 00:45:22,760
very successful podcasting.

1239
00:45:22,820 --> 00:45:25,560
The concept of podcasting wrote its coattails.

1240
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:31,480
Now, like every other mass medium, like certainly

1241
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,500
user generated, a lot of it is just

1242
00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:35,340
no good.

1243
00:45:36,540 --> 00:45:39,240
It's just not, or, you know, it's, or

1244
00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:40,880
it's going to be interesting to a very,

1245
00:45:41,020 --> 00:45:42,320
very small audience.

1246
00:45:43,620 --> 00:45:45,980
Well, unless you are able to cobble that

1247
00:45:45,980 --> 00:45:47,960
together in, as you said, in a slick

1248
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:52,340
platform that has all kinds of measurement and

1249
00:45:52,340 --> 00:45:55,420
algorithms, et cetera, you're not going to be

1250
00:45:55,420 --> 00:45:57,760
able to really blanket that with a successful

1251
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,120
advertising campaign.

1252
00:45:59,220 --> 00:46:05,290
There's just too many moving parts that you

1253
00:46:05,290 --> 00:46:13,470
YouTube, YouTube has subsidized the whole thing to

1254
00:46:13,470 --> 00:46:16,150
a certain degree, because what they, I mean,

1255
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:17,810
I'm not saying, I'm not saying they're losing

1256
00:46:17,810 --> 00:46:19,850
money, even though we still don't know how

1257
00:46:19,850 --> 00:46:21,390
much money they actually make.

1258
00:46:21,390 --> 00:46:23,430
That's never been reported.

1259
00:46:24,130 --> 00:46:24,350
YouTube?

1260
00:46:24,730 --> 00:46:25,430
I've looked.

1261
00:46:25,630 --> 00:46:27,890
No, I think it's, I think they've reported.

1262
00:46:27,890 --> 00:46:29,730
No, they've never reported profit numbers.

1263
00:46:30,010 --> 00:46:30,590
No profit.

1264
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:31,230
They don't report.

1265
00:46:31,310 --> 00:46:32,050
No, not profit.

1266
00:46:32,190 --> 00:46:33,470
I mean, all you get is revenue.

1267
00:46:33,770 --> 00:46:35,470
You never hear how much of that is

1268
00:46:35,470 --> 00:46:35,790
profit.

1269
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:37,630
It's got to be quite expensive.

1270
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:41,330
And I'm, you know, so, so we don't

1271
00:46:41,330 --> 00:46:41,690
know.

1272
00:46:41,870 --> 00:46:43,390
I mean, we don't know how much profit

1273
00:46:43,390 --> 00:46:43,870
they make.

1274
00:46:43,950 --> 00:46:46,350
If they make, I'm sure they do make

1275
00:46:46,350 --> 00:46:49,250
a profit, but it may not be that

1276
00:46:49,250 --> 00:46:49,750
big.

1277
00:46:51,490 --> 00:46:55,410
You know, there may be other, you know,

1278
00:46:55,490 --> 00:46:59,510
so like, I mean, what they have is

1279
00:46:59,510 --> 00:47:00,850
massive costs.

1280
00:47:01,770 --> 00:47:03,930
They have gigantic costs.

1281
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:08,990
I mean, they build their own, they build

1282
00:47:08,990 --> 00:47:12,550
their own GPUs to do transcoding.

1283
00:47:12,750 --> 00:47:14,570
I mean, like they build their own microchips.

1284
00:47:14,570 --> 00:47:19,190
Like there's not really, that's, that's why Spotify

1285
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:21,650
and Twitch and all these other, are never

1286
00:47:21,650 --> 00:47:25,030
really going to be serious competitors to YouTube

1287
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:30,070
because YouTube, they've just done something that almost

1288
00:47:30,070 --> 00:47:33,130
nobody else can do because they just are

1289
00:47:33,130 --> 00:47:35,410
willing to pour billions of dollars into their

1290
00:47:35,410 --> 00:47:36,010
infrastructure.

1291
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:41,210
And that's why that thing is what it

1292
00:47:41,210 --> 00:47:41,610
is.

1293
00:47:42,090 --> 00:47:45,750
But in spite of that, you know, I'm

1294
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:49,450
still just as consistently disappointed in my YouTube

1295
00:47:52,090 --> 00:47:56,130
algorithm as I am in my podcast app.

1296
00:47:56,670 --> 00:47:57,150
Yeah.

1297
00:47:57,250 --> 00:47:59,750
Like, you know, I'll, I'll log into YouTube

1298
00:48:00,550 --> 00:48:02,610
and I'm, I would consider myself a pretty

1299
00:48:02,610 --> 00:48:04,070
heavy YouTube user.

1300
00:48:04,190 --> 00:48:07,590
I, um, I, I finally bit the bullet

1301
00:48:07,590 --> 00:48:09,170
and bought the premium subscription.

1302
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:10,650
Ah, so you don't have to deal with

1303
00:48:10,650 --> 00:48:11,230
the ads.

1304
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:12,130
Yeah, exactly.

1305
00:48:12,530 --> 00:48:14,550
Well worth it in my, in my book.

1306
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:15,290
Well worth it.

1307
00:48:15,810 --> 00:48:15,910
Yeah.

1308
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:16,030
Yeah.

1309
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:21,090
And you know, I, I log in and

1310
00:48:21,090 --> 00:48:23,250
I have about, I don't know, I have

1311
00:48:23,250 --> 00:48:26,930
about 30 channels I subscribe to and some

1312
00:48:26,930 --> 00:48:28,470
days I'll log in and there's just nothing,

1313
00:48:28,730 --> 00:48:29,790
there's just nothing there.

1314
00:48:30,190 --> 00:48:31,650
And then you look at your home, there's

1315
00:48:31,650 --> 00:48:34,470
nothing there, like there's just nothing there that's,

1316
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:35,890
that is new.

1317
00:48:36,670 --> 00:48:38,190
And then if you look, if I look

1318
00:48:38,190 --> 00:48:41,730
at my home screen that has like suggestions

1319
00:48:41,730 --> 00:48:44,770
and stuff, it it's, there's nothing on there,

1320
00:48:44,830 --> 00:48:46,150
but a bunch of stuff I'm not interested

1321
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:46,650
in.

1322
00:48:47,710 --> 00:48:51,070
And so from that standpoint, it's really not

1323
00:48:51,070 --> 00:48:53,970
that different than sometimes I log into my

1324
00:48:53,970 --> 00:48:55,690
podcast app and I really am just not

1325
00:48:55,690 --> 00:48:57,290
interested in any of this stuff.

1326
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:59,550
Of course, except for the, the shows, you

1327
00:48:59,550 --> 00:49:01,470
know, you want to catch because you know,

1328
00:49:01,510 --> 00:49:04,010
it's like, I, I, I, I checked my

1329
00:49:04,010 --> 00:49:07,170
podcast app Wednesday evening and I know when

1330
00:49:07,170 --> 00:49:10,970
I'm walking Phoebe, I'm hoping that there's another

1331
00:49:10,970 --> 00:49:13,410
this week in Bitcoin, which by the way,

1332
00:49:13,450 --> 00:49:16,690
is another show that does about a thousand

1333
00:49:16,690 --> 00:49:18,910
dollars a month, maybe $1,200 a month

1334
00:49:18,910 --> 00:49:19,970
because he's value for value.

1335
00:49:20,070 --> 00:49:22,270
And it's all sats, it's all sats, streaming

1336
00:49:22,270 --> 00:49:23,490
sats and booster grams.

1337
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:25,630
And that's, and I, and I look forward

1338
00:49:25,630 --> 00:49:26,790
to that show and I may have to

1339
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:27,430
scroll down.

1340
00:49:27,830 --> 00:49:29,610
I may have to refresh a feed because

1341
00:49:29,610 --> 00:49:30,630
I want that content.

1342
00:49:31,710 --> 00:49:34,190
And then after I'm listening, done listening to

1343
00:49:34,190 --> 00:49:36,570
that, I'm going to listen to Todd and

1344
00:49:36,570 --> 00:49:39,050
Rob and thank God for chapters.

1345
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:41,190
Like, Oh, what's the video segment.

1346
00:49:41,350 --> 00:49:41,530
Okay.

1347
00:49:41,610 --> 00:49:42,190
Skip that.

1348
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:43,990
Skip the video segment.

1349
00:49:45,550 --> 00:49:47,110
The chapters are great.

1350
00:49:47,650 --> 00:49:50,270
And then Friday morning, I'll be looking for

1351
00:49:50,270 --> 00:49:50,690
power.

1352
00:49:50,890 --> 00:49:52,630
You know, first I listen to the pod

1353
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:55,510
news weekly review or to the pod news

1354
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:56,490
daily podcast.

1355
00:49:56,590 --> 00:49:58,230
And then I'm looking for power.

1356
00:49:58,970 --> 00:50:01,810
And you know, sometimes there'll be so much

1357
00:50:01,810 --> 00:50:02,410
other stuff.

1358
00:50:02,410 --> 00:50:05,290
Cause I subscribed to Gordon's Godcaster feed.

1359
00:50:05,310 --> 00:50:07,730
Cause I'm interested what he subscribes to him.

1360
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:09,110
Like, you know, I don't need the hourly

1361
00:50:09,110 --> 00:50:10,430
Fox news report.

1362
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:12,050
You know, I don't need Megan Kelly.

1363
00:50:12,430 --> 00:50:14,670
No, but you know, but sometimes it'd be

1364
00:50:14,670 --> 00:50:16,810
like, Oh, what is Megan Kelly doing?

1365
00:50:17,470 --> 00:50:20,310
You know, Tucker may pop up, but usually

1366
00:50:20,310 --> 00:50:22,110
I scroll past all that stuff.

1367
00:50:22,490 --> 00:50:24,270
And sometimes it's so far down, I have

1368
00:50:24,270 --> 00:50:25,550
to search for it and I find it.

1369
00:50:25,630 --> 00:50:28,530
So it's, it's a utility, but that it's

1370
00:50:28,530 --> 00:50:30,430
really, cause I'm looking for the content and

1371
00:50:30,430 --> 00:50:31,390
yes, my life.

1372
00:50:31,550 --> 00:50:33,430
And, and you can say I'm not a

1373
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:34,950
normal listener, but I think that's a very,

1374
00:50:35,010 --> 00:50:36,270
that's very normal behavior.

1375
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:38,070
If we don't release a curry in the

1376
00:50:38,070 --> 00:50:41,590
keeper on Wednesday night before nine 30, the

1377
00:50:41,590 --> 00:50:42,430
phones are ringing.

1378
00:50:43,390 --> 00:50:44,750
Are you guys okay?

1379
00:50:44,990 --> 00:50:46,370
What's going on?

1380
00:50:46,550 --> 00:50:49,190
You know, Thursday morning, I'm so upset.

1381
00:50:49,410 --> 00:50:50,970
There's still, you know, we had a server

1382
00:50:50,970 --> 00:50:52,990
outage, so I couldn't upload it until Thursday

1383
00:50:52,990 --> 00:50:53,350
morning.

1384
00:50:53,730 --> 00:50:55,070
People, people are upset.

1385
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:55,870
They're concerned.

1386
00:50:56,450 --> 00:50:58,950
And that's really very normal people.

1387
00:50:59,310 --> 00:51:03,390
It's church people who pop up their Google.

1388
00:51:03,630 --> 00:51:04,810
I don't know how to get to a

1389
00:51:04,810 --> 00:51:06,570
website, but I just type in a curry

1390
00:51:06,570 --> 00:51:07,970
in the keeper and I click on it

1391
00:51:07,970 --> 00:51:09,070
and then I click on it again.

1392
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:09,890
And then I click play.

1393
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:11,290
Oh, you know, okay.

1394
00:51:11,290 --> 00:51:16,030
You know, perhaps why the people gets, this

1395
00:51:16,030 --> 00:51:17,750
may be part of the explanation.

1396
00:51:20,730 --> 00:51:24,790
The, the reason why people get so antsy

1397
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:27,330
about something like curry in the keeper, not

1398
00:51:27,330 --> 00:51:29,330
coming out at, you know, at an expected

1399
00:51:29,330 --> 00:51:30,950
time or no gender, that kind of thing.

1400
00:51:31,210 --> 00:51:33,430
It might be just because there is so

1401
00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:40,690
little good content that like, I mean, I

1402
00:51:40,690 --> 00:51:45,390
mean just like truly good content that some,

1403
00:51:45,630 --> 00:51:48,190
that what people consider to be good content,

1404
00:51:48,190 --> 00:51:51,070
that's not just time waster content that people,

1405
00:51:51,330 --> 00:51:53,550
something people really want to listen to and

1406
00:51:53,550 --> 00:51:57,550
look forward to that, that it, it is

1407
00:51:57,550 --> 00:51:59,730
a meaning, it makes a meaningful impact on

1408
00:51:59,730 --> 00:52:00,210
their life.

1409
00:52:00,830 --> 00:52:04,630
I mean, like, because there's a difference between,

1410
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:07,910
you know, I've said this before, like, uh,

1411
00:52:07,930 --> 00:52:10,170
America this week is a podcast that I,

1412
00:52:10,330 --> 00:52:12,110
I'm the same way with it that you

1413
00:52:12,110 --> 00:52:13,670
do, you know, that people are with curry

1414
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:14,090
in the keeper.

1415
00:52:14,110 --> 00:52:17,670
I want with America this week, it's a,

1416
00:52:17,690 --> 00:52:18,930
it comes out on there, have a Monday

1417
00:52:18,930 --> 00:52:19,690
night live stream.

1418
00:52:19,710 --> 00:52:21,690
And then they release their episodes on Friday.

1419
00:52:22,730 --> 00:52:25,290
If, if I'm, if they're, if they don't

1420
00:52:25,290 --> 00:52:30,190
release something, I, I'm, I'm irritated and bothered

1421
00:52:30,190 --> 00:52:30,630
by it.

1422
00:52:30,670 --> 00:52:31,670
It really botherss me.

1423
00:52:31,950 --> 00:52:32,050
Sure.

1424
00:52:32,130 --> 00:52:34,330
Like I want that content and I will

1425
00:52:34,330 --> 00:52:35,950
go to all kinds of links to get

1426
00:52:35,950 --> 00:52:41,810
it, but there's very little content that's like

1427
00:52:41,810 --> 00:52:42,430
that.

1428
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:45,850
Even things like, even things like Rogan.

1429
00:52:46,490 --> 00:52:48,070
Oh, they're so popular.

1430
00:52:48,250 --> 00:52:50,730
I skipped five out of the, of the

1431
00:52:50,730 --> 00:52:52,310
10 episodes, maybe even more.

1432
00:52:52,430 --> 00:52:52,650
Yes.

1433
00:52:53,230 --> 00:52:53,530
Yes.

1434
00:52:53,630 --> 00:52:55,610
And you, you skip five out of the

1435
00:52:55,610 --> 00:52:59,030
10, the, the, you know, there may be

1436
00:52:59,030 --> 00:53:01,990
three or four you listen to that you're

1437
00:53:01,990 --> 00:53:03,930
just like, I got nothing else to do.

1438
00:53:04,330 --> 00:53:04,770
Right.

1439
00:53:04,870 --> 00:53:05,850
Well, listen to it.

1440
00:53:05,870 --> 00:53:07,950
And then there's one that's actually meaningful that

1441
00:53:07,950 --> 00:53:10,050
you want to, but if the time wasters

1442
00:53:10,050 --> 00:53:12,130
are that's what you do with the rest

1443
00:53:12,130 --> 00:53:12,590
of your life.

1444
00:53:12,750 --> 00:53:14,370
And yeah, tick tock is doing $4 billion

1445
00:53:14,370 --> 00:53:15,090
a year.

1446
00:53:15,530 --> 00:53:17,930
YouTube, you know, their revenue is 10 billion

1447
00:53:17,930 --> 00:53:20,610
a quarter or whatever, you know, you're right.

1448
00:53:20,670 --> 00:53:21,890
We don't know the cost of that.

1449
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:25,430
But that's just for all the other stuff.

1450
00:53:26,310 --> 00:53:30,090
And so podcasting had, remember podcasting started.

1451
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:34,010
Facebook was just becoming available to people without

1452
00:53:34,010 --> 00:53:36,010
a.edu email address.

1453
00:53:36,770 --> 00:53:40,650
YouTube really didn't come until what, 2007, 2008,

1454
00:53:41,370 --> 00:53:43,390
when, when Google bought it, at least.

1455
00:53:43,490 --> 00:53:44,810
And it was a big deal.

1456
00:53:45,250 --> 00:53:49,090
So, and, and, and I just have to

1457
00:53:49,090 --> 00:53:53,870
repeat podcasting was completely, you know, page 23

1458
00:53:53,870 --> 00:53:54,590
below the fold.

1459
00:53:54,730 --> 00:53:56,650
No one was talking about podcasting, the venture

1460
00:53:56,650 --> 00:54:00,030
capital people that had invested $65 million in

1461
00:54:00,030 --> 00:54:00,550
pod show.

1462
00:54:00,710 --> 00:54:02,330
They were like, well, you got to do

1463
00:54:02,330 --> 00:54:07,870
videos, clearly videos until cereal came along and

1464
00:54:07,870 --> 00:54:09,210
you could, where could you get cereal?

1465
00:54:09,450 --> 00:54:11,090
You could only get it really in a

1466
00:54:11,090 --> 00:54:11,930
podcast app.

1467
00:54:13,130 --> 00:54:15,390
So that's one, that's one thing I thought

1468
00:54:15,390 --> 00:54:19,310
was that I liked about, um, that I

1469
00:54:19,310 --> 00:54:20,790
thought was good about what Tom said was

1470
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:23,870
that he clearly just was like video videos,

1471
00:54:23,970 --> 00:54:24,510
not the answer.

1472
00:54:25,310 --> 00:54:28,890
We can just stop talking about video because

1473
00:54:28,890 --> 00:54:31,770
that's, it's not even, it's not even part

1474
00:54:31,770 --> 00:54:33,250
of the conversation that we're having.

1475
00:54:33,490 --> 00:54:35,090
And he's right.

1476
00:54:35,310 --> 00:54:37,290
And just look at Rogan because he's now

1477
00:54:37,290 --> 00:54:38,970
back on podcast apps.

1478
00:54:39,090 --> 00:54:40,210
He's on Spotify.

1479
00:54:40,650 --> 00:54:43,950
I think Spotify, it's hard to get the

1480
00:54:43,950 --> 00:54:44,770
audio version.

1481
00:54:44,910 --> 00:54:46,390
You kind of get the video version by

1482
00:54:46,390 --> 00:54:47,230
default, I think.

1483
00:54:47,950 --> 00:54:51,010
Um, but two years ago when I was

1484
00:54:51,010 --> 00:54:54,550
on Rogan, I think that the YouTube views

1485
00:54:54,550 --> 00:54:57,990
for whatever that means, 60 seconds watch was

1486
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:58,590
3 million.

1487
00:54:59,350 --> 00:55:03,030
Now his average is about 1 million, you

1488
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:04,770
know, so it's spread out.

1489
00:55:05,290 --> 00:55:07,410
It's in different places for a while.

1490
00:55:07,510 --> 00:55:10,610
There was exclusively on, on Spotify, which I

1491
00:55:10,610 --> 00:55:12,290
think may have actually hurt him to some

1492
00:55:12,290 --> 00:55:14,310
degree because it gave a lot of people

1493
00:55:14,310 --> 00:55:15,890
opportunity to rise up.

1494
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:20,170
And now to be honest, I see Rogan,

1495
00:55:20,550 --> 00:55:24,750
Theo Vaughn, Megyn Kelly, and Tucker Carlson, they

1496
00:55:24,750 --> 00:55:25,810
all have the same guests on.

1497
00:55:26,850 --> 00:55:29,150
They're just rotating through the same people all

1498
00:55:29,150 --> 00:55:29,510
the time.

1499
00:55:29,550 --> 00:55:29,690
Yeah.

1500
00:55:29,770 --> 00:55:32,070
It's like, instead of, you know, Tonight Show

1501
00:55:32,070 --> 00:55:34,990
and, uh, and David Letterman, now we have,

1502
00:55:35,050 --> 00:55:36,290
you know, four Tonight Shows.

1503
00:55:37,230 --> 00:55:38,850
Uh, and you can only really, and, but

1504
00:55:38,850 --> 00:55:40,430
you know, I prefer to listen to, I

1505
00:55:40,430 --> 00:55:42,090
listen to Tucker a lot too, but I

1506
00:55:42,090 --> 00:55:43,150
prefer to listen to Rogan.

1507
00:55:43,150 --> 00:55:44,590
I think what a lot of people are

1508
00:55:44,590 --> 00:55:46,850
doing, Tina is a big, uh, big fan

1509
00:55:46,850 --> 00:55:50,250
of this is she'll go on Instagram or

1510
00:55:50,250 --> 00:55:52,930
YouTube and she'll just watch clips of Megyn

1511
00:55:52,930 --> 00:55:53,210
Kelly.

1512
00:55:54,090 --> 00:55:56,450
So she'll watch a 15 minute with one

1513
00:55:56,450 --> 00:55:56,690
guest.

1514
00:55:56,790 --> 00:55:58,350
She won't even watch the whole show.

1515
00:55:59,430 --> 00:56:01,950
Well, that may be fine for what Megyn

1516
00:56:01,950 --> 00:56:04,150
Kelly's doing and maybe it's, maybe it's working

1517
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:04,990
out great for her.

1518
00:56:05,710 --> 00:56:07,550
That's just not what I prefer to do.

1519
00:56:09,470 --> 00:56:10,710
So it's interesting.

1520
00:56:10,770 --> 00:56:12,550
I was having a discussion with my two

1521
00:56:12,550 --> 00:56:13,250
older kids.

1522
00:56:13,570 --> 00:56:17,050
Um, um, my 23 year old, my 21

1523
00:56:17,050 --> 00:56:19,670
year old, uh, 23 year old girl, 21

1524
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:20,270
year old boy.

1525
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:26,510
And they both told me that, uh, they've,

1526
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:28,630
they pretty much never look at TikTok anymore.

1527
00:56:28,930 --> 00:56:29,730
Oh, really?

1528
00:56:29,830 --> 00:56:30,550
That's interesting.

1529
00:56:31,110 --> 00:56:31,490
Yes.

1530
00:56:31,550 --> 00:56:33,450
What they said, and both of them said

1531
00:56:33,450 --> 00:56:36,670
for the same reason, um, they said that

1532
00:56:36,670 --> 00:56:39,650
the TikTok shop ruined that, ruined that.

1533
00:56:39,830 --> 00:56:41,530
And that's really the way they make money

1534
00:56:41,530 --> 00:56:42,730
is the TikTok shop.

1535
00:56:42,970 --> 00:56:44,150
That's the moneymaker.

1536
00:56:44,730 --> 00:56:50,390
They, so it's seen, according to them, uh,

1537
00:56:51,330 --> 00:56:54,830
according to them, them and all their friends

1538
00:56:54,830 --> 00:56:58,930
basically have stopped list, uh, stopped using TikTok.

1539
00:56:59,570 --> 00:57:01,010
They said they'll, they'll open it up every

1540
00:57:01,010 --> 00:57:03,330
now and then for five minutes and just

1541
00:57:03,330 --> 00:57:08,910
scroll through, but they're largely off that platform

1542
00:57:08,910 --> 00:57:09,290
now.

1543
00:57:09,450 --> 00:57:10,930
And they've gone back to Instagram.

1544
00:57:11,490 --> 00:57:12,550
Yeah, I believe it.

1545
00:57:13,570 --> 00:57:16,030
Because it's all the same stuff anyway, but

1546
00:57:16,030 --> 00:57:17,830
they said, they said that the TikTok shop

1547
00:57:17,830 --> 00:57:21,610
thing basically just ruined everybody's algorithm because all

1548
00:57:21,610 --> 00:57:22,730
it is, is just a bunch of people

1549
00:57:22,730 --> 00:57:23,350
selling stuff.

1550
00:57:23,930 --> 00:57:24,030
Yeah.

1551
00:57:24,730 --> 00:57:26,290
Cheap, cheap crap from China.

1552
00:57:26,850 --> 00:57:27,210
Yeah.

1553
00:57:27,250 --> 00:57:29,870
It's a bunch of people selling stuff combined

1554
00:57:29,870 --> 00:57:34,890
with, um, like a bunch of Russian car

1555
00:57:34,890 --> 00:57:37,170
crash videos and other stuff that just, they

1556
00:57:37,170 --> 00:57:37,750
don't want to see.

1557
00:57:37,790 --> 00:57:38,970
It's like, it's just there.

1558
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:41,030
They said their timelines are just junk now.

1559
00:57:41,070 --> 00:57:42,730
So the bottom, I found, I found pretty

1560
00:57:42,730 --> 00:57:43,090
interesting.

1561
00:57:43,090 --> 00:57:44,910
I mean, like to, to have every, you

1562
00:57:44,910 --> 00:57:47,130
know, cause TikTok was the thing that was

1563
00:57:47,130 --> 00:57:47,870
going to eat the world.

1564
00:57:47,870 --> 00:57:49,970
And all of a sudden the bloom's coming

1565
00:57:49,970 --> 00:57:53,210
So the bottom line is this is all

1566
00:57:53,210 --> 00:57:56,410
based on user generated content and we have

1567
00:57:56,410 --> 00:57:57,350
a lot of it.

1568
00:57:58,490 --> 00:58:00,450
And, you know, yeah, for a while you

1569
00:58:00,450 --> 00:58:02,450
can get into your algorithm of watching people

1570
00:58:02,450 --> 00:58:04,590
dancing, you know, TikTok was the, the big,

1571
00:58:04,750 --> 00:58:06,730
really they, they blew up because of the

1572
00:58:06,730 --> 00:58:07,730
music and the dances.

1573
00:58:07,730 --> 00:58:09,450
And then they got into a fight with

1574
00:58:09,450 --> 00:58:10,250
universal music.

1575
00:58:10,250 --> 00:58:12,150
And, you know, so I think they lost

1576
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:14,370
a lot of the, or they, they decided

1577
00:58:14,370 --> 00:58:15,910
not to renew their licenses.

1578
00:58:16,090 --> 00:58:18,650
So that, that vibe kind of went away,

1579
00:58:18,650 --> 00:58:21,510
but it's, it's the thing that I think

1580
00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:23,310
everyone gets wrong is it's the content.

1581
00:58:23,710 --> 00:58:26,210
It's always going to be the content that

1582
00:58:26,210 --> 00:58:27,870
drives people to your podcasts.

1583
00:58:28,350 --> 00:58:30,790
I'm not on Apple with curry and the

1584
00:58:30,790 --> 00:58:31,030
keeper.

1585
00:58:31,470 --> 00:58:33,590
Uh, I'm not on Spotify with any of

1586
00:58:33,590 --> 00:58:34,170
my shows.

1587
00:58:34,210 --> 00:58:34,950
Has it hurt me?

1588
00:58:34,990 --> 00:58:35,810
I don't think so.

1589
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:37,930
I really don't think so.

1590
00:58:37,930 --> 00:58:39,170
Cause people know where to get it.

1591
00:58:39,210 --> 00:58:39,730
They want it.

1592
00:58:39,770 --> 00:58:41,490
They'll come and get it wherever I am.

1593
00:58:42,270 --> 00:58:45,830
But it's podcasting is not a, a, a

1594
00:58:45,830 --> 00:58:49,070
platform that engages you when you're, you're on

1595
00:58:49,070 --> 00:58:50,890
your podcast app all day.

1596
00:58:51,090 --> 00:58:53,530
I mean, there was a little, little moment

1597
00:58:53,530 --> 00:58:56,510
there and hopefully I successfully turned people away

1598
00:58:56,510 --> 00:58:58,930
from that where, you know, they're just gorging

1599
00:58:58,930 --> 00:59:00,990
content had two times speed.

1600
00:59:01,110 --> 00:59:02,570
I need to listen to more podcasts.

1601
00:59:02,690 --> 00:59:03,450
I need more information.

1602
00:59:03,450 --> 00:59:05,170
Got to go faster.

1603
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:06,010
Got it in my brain.

1604
00:59:07,090 --> 00:59:09,210
Um, but that, that's just not what it

1605
00:59:09,210 --> 00:59:09,590
is.

1606
00:59:09,990 --> 00:59:13,210
You know, you don't, you're not constantly watching

1607
00:59:13,210 --> 00:59:14,550
Netflix all day.

1608
00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:19,830
There also is no podcasting middle-class.

1609
00:59:20,550 --> 00:59:21,450
Oh, that's interesting.

1610
00:59:21,790 --> 00:59:23,010
That's an interesting observation.

1611
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:25,970
There's just not, there's really just not one.

1612
00:59:26,050 --> 00:59:29,050
I mean, you, you've got, it, it may

1613
00:59:29,050 --> 00:59:33,270
be there's the bottom, there's the bottom, there's

1614
00:59:33,270 --> 00:59:36,950
the bottom 95% and then there's the

1615
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:39,190
top 4% and then there's just like

1616
00:59:39,190 --> 00:59:40,750
a 1% middle-class.

1617
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:45,270
There's really not a, a, a meaningful podcast

1618
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:46,250
middle-class anymore.

1619
00:59:46,250 --> 00:59:48,630
And there, there kind of is in the

1620
00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:50,130
world of YouTube and that kind of thing.

1621
00:59:50,170 --> 00:59:51,610
There's a few of those people who are

1622
00:59:51,610 --> 00:59:52,630
making okay.

1623
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:54,410
I don't know if it's any more than

1624
00:59:54,410 --> 00:59:58,590
it is in podcasting, but it's just, there's

1625
00:59:58,590 --> 01:00:02,970
podcasting is just not, man, it's just, it's

1626
01:00:02,970 --> 01:00:03,370
hard.

1627
01:00:04,030 --> 01:00:05,570
It's hard and it's messy.

1628
01:00:06,210 --> 01:00:10,050
And, you know, and, and, and like it

1629
01:00:10,050 --> 01:00:13,230
is a, you know, one, one of the

1630
01:00:13,230 --> 01:00:14,670
things that Tom said in his article was

1631
01:00:14,670 --> 01:00:17,930
that podcasting 2.0 has had spotty success.

1632
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:18,950
And I agree.

1633
01:00:19,230 --> 01:00:22,050
We have had spotty success, but you know,

1634
01:00:22,170 --> 01:00:26,110
spotty success is all that most of us

1635
01:00:26,110 --> 01:00:26,750
can hope for.

1636
01:00:27,070 --> 01:00:28,590
And it's, I love it.

1637
01:00:28,610 --> 01:00:30,210
I love my spotty success.

1638
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:37,830
You talk about like, like podcasting was, um,

1639
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:41,230
I mean, podcasting was created by a radio

1640
01:00:41,230 --> 01:00:43,030
guy and a programmer in a hotel room.

1641
01:00:43,210 --> 01:00:44,210
Pretty much.

1642
01:00:44,490 --> 01:00:45,470
That's pretty spotty.

1643
01:00:45,470 --> 01:00:46,410
That's a spot.

1644
01:00:46,790 --> 01:00:50,330
And we love RSS, but let's admit, let's

1645
01:00:50,330 --> 01:00:51,450
all just be honest here.

1646
01:00:52,490 --> 01:00:54,630
I love RSS for what it gives us,

1647
01:00:54,690 --> 01:00:57,110
but as far as a spec, it's pretty

1648
01:00:57,110 --> 01:00:57,510
terrible.

1649
01:00:58,270 --> 01:01:03,550
I mean, it's, it's nobody would create RSS

1650
01:01:03,550 --> 01:01:05,450
in the same way today.

1651
01:01:05,450 --> 01:01:06,590
If we were going to do this thing

1652
01:01:06,590 --> 01:01:11,070
over from scratch, it's so loose and so

1653
01:01:11,070 --> 01:01:15,810
vague and half the tags don't even make

1654
01:01:15,810 --> 01:01:16,650
any sense.

1655
01:01:17,070 --> 01:01:20,110
And like, but, but, but I, I kind

1656
01:01:20,110 --> 01:01:24,310
of disagree because half the tags make a

1657
01:01:24,310 --> 01:01:26,090
lot of sense to groups of people.

1658
01:01:26,210 --> 01:01:27,770
I just look at the music stuff.

1659
01:01:28,770 --> 01:01:29,290
No, no, no, no.

1660
01:01:29,310 --> 01:01:31,170
I'm talking, no, I'm talking about the original

1661
01:01:31,170 --> 01:01:33,910
RSS 2.0 spec that Wiener, that Wiener,

1662
01:01:34,150 --> 01:01:35,410
I'm talking about that spec.

1663
01:01:35,650 --> 01:01:37,270
Oh, oh, oh, I see what you're saying.

1664
01:01:37,470 --> 01:01:37,610
Yeah.

1665
01:01:37,790 --> 01:01:39,850
That spec reads like, Oh yeah.

1666
01:01:40,050 --> 01:01:40,210
Yeah.

1667
01:01:40,290 --> 01:01:41,650
There were some things in there that made

1668
01:01:41,650 --> 01:01:42,150
no sense.

1669
01:01:42,250 --> 01:01:42,390
Yeah.

1670
01:01:42,630 --> 01:01:42,990
I agree.

1671
01:01:43,130 --> 01:01:43,810
There's yeah.

1672
01:01:43,890 --> 01:01:46,790
And, and the restrictions on, I mean, it

1673
01:01:46,790 --> 01:01:49,950
just, what I'm trying to say is that

1674
01:01:50,530 --> 01:01:54,010
all of podcasting is built on the shakiest

1675
01:01:54,010 --> 01:01:56,850
of, of specifications to begin with.

1676
01:01:58,650 --> 01:02:03,010
So anything, any improvement is an improvement, you

1677
01:02:03,010 --> 01:02:05,470
know, but somehow it still works.

1678
01:02:05,850 --> 01:02:07,230
You know, it still works.

1679
01:02:07,350 --> 01:02:08,590
It works fantastic.

1680
01:02:09,150 --> 01:02:10,630
It's not pretty, but it works.

1681
01:02:10,970 --> 01:02:12,610
You know, I, I mean, I, I look

1682
01:02:12,610 --> 01:02:15,790
at when, uh, when, when the kids do

1683
01:02:15,790 --> 01:02:18,850
their, uh, their, their, um, battle of the

1684
01:02:18,850 --> 01:02:21,630
douchebags and all this other stuff.

1685
01:02:21,630 --> 01:02:23,510
And they've, and you know, when they're doing

1686
01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:25,930
a skirmish live and they've, and they're playing

1687
01:02:25,930 --> 01:02:27,010
and people are boosting.

1688
01:02:27,210 --> 01:02:29,030
And I mean, I look at the, at

1689
01:02:29,030 --> 01:02:31,070
the boost board and like my eyes, like,

1690
01:02:31,110 --> 01:02:32,490
it's like, I'm on an acid trip.

1691
01:02:32,490 --> 01:02:33,970
Like, what is this thing?

1692
01:02:34,330 --> 01:02:37,390
I barely understand half of what's going on.

1693
01:02:37,410 --> 01:02:40,350
And it's like, you know, how 2000 meets,

1694
01:02:40,590 --> 01:02:43,670
uh, um, a minority report.

1695
01:02:43,830 --> 01:02:45,170
You're like, wow, look at all this stuff.

1696
01:02:45,490 --> 01:02:48,210
And that's all possible because of, of the

1697
01:02:48,210 --> 01:02:49,370
stuff that we've built.

1698
01:02:49,370 --> 01:02:50,530
I don't know.

1699
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:52,050
I, that is success to me.

1700
01:02:52,130 --> 01:02:53,370
Is the whole world going to do that?

1701
01:02:53,530 --> 01:02:54,470
Absolutely not.

1702
01:02:55,090 --> 01:02:56,850
The whole world's not going to listen to

1703
01:02:56,850 --> 01:02:57,530
no agenda.

1704
01:02:58,070 --> 01:02:58,950
It's just not going to happen.

1705
01:02:59,310 --> 01:03:01,670
And by the way, we've churned our audience

1706
01:03:01,670 --> 01:03:03,090
five times at least.

1707
01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:03,610
Yeah.

1708
01:03:03,650 --> 01:03:05,670
There's still people who've been around since episode

1709
01:03:05,670 --> 01:03:08,530
one, but, um, you know, people get really

1710
01:03:08,530 --> 01:03:09,270
mad at us.

1711
01:03:09,810 --> 01:03:12,450
It's like during COVID we had a different

1712
01:03:12,450 --> 01:03:12,790
opinion.

1713
01:03:12,890 --> 01:03:14,230
A lot of people left and a lot

1714
01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:17,270
of people came in, you know, Ukraine, Russia,

1715
01:03:17,390 --> 01:03:18,590
a lot of people left, a lot of

1716
01:03:18,590 --> 01:03:19,550
people came back in.

1717
01:03:20,030 --> 01:03:21,290
It's just how it goes.

1718
01:03:21,430 --> 01:03:22,810
And so we just, we have this kind

1719
01:03:22,810 --> 01:03:24,110
of, this is the amount.

1720
01:03:24,350 --> 01:03:25,910
And, you know, we tell people to go

1721
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:27,250
hit people in the mouth and let them

1722
01:03:27,250 --> 01:03:27,990
know about it.

1723
01:03:28,270 --> 01:03:30,530
And they're not all listening in podcast apps

1724
01:03:30,530 --> 01:03:32,190
or listening in all kinds of different ways.

1725
01:03:32,330 --> 01:03:36,050
Some only listen live at work, you know,

1726
01:03:36,110 --> 01:03:38,930
it's like, so I don't, I don't know

1727
01:03:38,930 --> 01:03:43,130
what, what, what people define success as, you

1728
01:03:43,130 --> 01:03:46,550
know, when, when Steve Jobs introduced podcasting revolution,

1729
01:03:46,550 --> 01:03:48,650
it was born, boom, fantastic.

1730
01:03:48,870 --> 01:03:50,770
Oh, there's this stuff that people are making

1731
01:03:50,770 --> 01:03:52,270
and I can listen to it.

1732
01:03:52,770 --> 01:03:54,690
And then Apple kind of said, Oh, by

1733
01:03:54,690 --> 01:03:56,370
the way, you can listen on demand to

1734
01:03:56,370 --> 01:03:59,650
BBC, NPR, you know, and PBS and all

1735
01:03:59,650 --> 01:04:00,110
that stuff.

1736
01:04:00,150 --> 01:04:01,930
Cause they put a lot of focus on

1737
01:04:01,930 --> 01:04:04,210
quote unquote professional stuff in the beginning, if

1738
01:04:04,210 --> 01:04:04,670
you recall.

1739
01:04:05,110 --> 01:04:07,050
But the beauty has always been, I can

1740
01:04:07,050 --> 01:04:07,870
listen to anybody.

1741
01:04:07,870 --> 01:04:09,510
I can listen to no matter what it

1742
01:04:09,510 --> 01:04:09,810
is.

1743
01:04:10,170 --> 01:04:11,750
Then now I can get audio books on

1744
01:04:11,750 --> 01:04:14,310
it and it's not going to, it's never

1745
01:04:14,310 --> 01:04:16,430
going to be one big platform.

1746
01:04:16,770 --> 01:04:19,110
All the podcast apps and all the websites

1747
01:04:19,110 --> 01:04:20,450
all have the same features.

1748
01:04:20,610 --> 01:04:21,710
It's not going to be that way.

1749
01:04:22,250 --> 01:04:24,090
Just as you know, there's only going to

1750
01:04:24,090 --> 01:04:28,250
be a few mega successful people that everybody's

1751
01:04:28,250 --> 01:04:30,510
heard about and everybody has seen once or

1752
01:04:30,510 --> 01:04:33,210
twice or has seen a clip of, that's

1753
01:04:33,210 --> 01:04:34,050
the same in music.

1754
01:04:34,810 --> 01:04:37,670
But the beauty is in those little groups

1755
01:04:37,670 --> 01:04:39,550
of people who are completely dedicated.

1756
01:04:39,690 --> 01:04:41,250
I mean, college radio used to be a

1757
01:04:41,250 --> 01:04:43,930
thing too, you know?

1758
01:04:44,790 --> 01:04:49,610
So to me it's so successful and it

1759
01:04:49,610 --> 01:04:51,690
doesn't need, you know, what we're doing doesn't

1760
01:04:51,690 --> 01:04:53,870
need anyone to drive or anyone to be

1761
01:04:53,870 --> 01:04:54,970
the evangelist.

1762
01:04:55,030 --> 01:04:55,970
It doesn't need that.

1763
01:04:56,250 --> 01:04:57,210
It's just technology.

1764
01:04:57,890 --> 01:04:59,230
Use it how you want to use it.

1765
01:04:59,510 --> 01:05:01,190
You and I saw an opportunity and went,

1766
01:05:01,290 --> 01:05:03,430
Oh, let's build this thing, Godcaster.

1767
01:05:03,950 --> 01:05:07,750
By the way, seeing those stats you built

1768
01:05:07,750 --> 01:05:09,390
this morning was kind of mind-boggling.

1769
01:05:12,850 --> 01:05:15,250
That wasn't interestingly difficult.

1770
01:05:16,450 --> 01:05:17,530
Do you want to talk about some of

1771
01:05:17,530 --> 01:05:18,110
the tech on that?

1772
01:05:18,390 --> 01:05:20,150
Yeah, let me just explain what it is

1773
01:05:20,150 --> 01:05:21,570
and then I want you to talk about

1774
01:05:21,570 --> 01:05:21,910
the tech.

1775
01:05:22,070 --> 01:05:24,810
So we've explained that Godcaster is mainly for

1776
01:05:24,810 --> 01:05:25,670
radio stations.

1777
01:05:25,790 --> 01:05:26,850
That's just our phase one.

1778
01:05:27,450 --> 01:05:29,290
And they can put their live stream in

1779
01:05:29,290 --> 01:05:32,050
as a lit tag and then they can

1780
01:05:32,050 --> 01:05:33,730
put all the programming they have that they

1781
01:05:33,730 --> 01:05:37,510
play nationally, all the podcasts and anything they

1782
01:05:37,510 --> 01:05:39,930
have local, and they can mix and match,

1783
01:05:40,030 --> 01:05:40,530
arrange it.

1784
01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:42,050
It's a feed by itself.

1785
01:05:42,050 --> 01:05:43,710
So you can subscribe to the station.

1786
01:05:44,050 --> 01:05:45,790
You get the, in the modern podcast app,

1787
01:05:45,810 --> 01:05:47,410
you can listen to the live stream because

1788
01:05:47,410 --> 01:05:47,890
it's lit.

1789
01:05:48,470 --> 01:05:50,490
And then you can get the most recent

1790
01:05:50,490 --> 01:05:51,110
episode.

1791
01:05:51,770 --> 01:05:54,870
And because we control the player, we have

1792
01:05:54,870 --> 01:05:57,270
all this first party data, which is great.

1793
01:05:57,330 --> 01:06:00,070
So the station can see what is working

1794
01:06:00,070 --> 01:06:00,890
for them.

1795
01:06:00,990 --> 01:06:03,710
If people are listening to that programming, it

1796
01:06:03,710 --> 01:06:05,350
also does video, but I think the majority

1797
01:06:05,350 --> 01:06:06,230
is audio.

1798
01:06:07,470 --> 01:06:09,930
And then we showed it to people and

1799
01:06:09,930 --> 01:06:12,610
these program producers who are on anywhere from

1800
01:06:12,610 --> 01:06:16,170
60 to 2000 radio stations, they're like, wow,

1801
01:06:16,230 --> 01:06:17,810
it would be very cool if we could

1802
01:06:17,810 --> 01:06:20,370
see what's happening on each of the affiliate

1803
01:06:20,370 --> 01:06:20,930
stations.

1804
01:06:21,630 --> 01:06:22,770
And so you built that.

1805
01:06:23,050 --> 01:06:25,170
And I go in, I'm like, holy cow,

1806
01:06:25,270 --> 01:06:25,770
look at this.

1807
01:06:25,810 --> 01:06:28,870
You can see exactly what stations people are

1808
01:06:28,870 --> 01:06:29,910
listening to it more.

1809
01:06:30,650 --> 01:06:33,390
What's getting more engagement, who's listening longer.

1810
01:06:34,070 --> 01:06:36,110
Oh, let's look at the Canadian version.

1811
01:06:36,330 --> 01:06:37,990
You can see exactly what's happening there.

1812
01:06:38,070 --> 01:06:39,510
And it's all this first party data.

1813
01:06:39,670 --> 01:06:41,490
It was mind boggling to me.

1814
01:06:41,830 --> 01:06:43,990
It was, I never, cause not, you know,

1815
01:06:44,030 --> 01:06:45,530
it, it, it took it out of the,

1816
01:06:45,950 --> 01:06:47,630
here's downloads and regions too.

1817
01:06:48,270 --> 01:06:50,050
There's this radio station over there.

1818
01:06:50,450 --> 01:06:52,830
They're promoting this on their website and their

1819
01:06:52,830 --> 01:06:55,070
podcast experience on their website.

1820
01:06:55,170 --> 01:06:56,230
Some of them have it in their app

1821
01:06:56,230 --> 01:06:58,870
now and, and you can see how it's

1822
01:06:58,870 --> 01:07:00,010
doing with that audience.

1823
01:07:00,110 --> 01:07:02,530
It was, it was, I really love seeing

1824
01:07:02,530 --> 01:07:04,290
that it, I had, I was all giddy

1825
01:07:04,290 --> 01:07:04,610
with it.

1826
01:07:04,770 --> 01:07:05,530
I really was.

1827
01:07:10,030 --> 01:07:12,690
So let me talk about the tech as

1828
01:07:12,690 --> 01:07:14,150
to what is going on there.

1829
01:07:16,710 --> 01:07:18,730
Because this is, I think this is an

1830
01:07:18,730 --> 01:07:21,270
overlap with what, with what we're going to

1831
01:07:21,270 --> 01:07:22,910
be doing with the index as well.

1832
01:07:24,370 --> 01:07:28,530
We've always, we've used, we've used SQLite from

1833
01:07:28,530 --> 01:07:30,150
the beginning in various ways.

1834
01:07:30,370 --> 01:07:32,350
I mean, from the beginning of the index.

1835
01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:39,130
To deliver, we deliver the weekly download as

1836
01:07:39,130 --> 01:07:40,490
a SQLite database.

1837
01:07:41,130 --> 01:07:45,090
We use SQLite for the backend of podping

1838
01:07:45,090 --> 01:07:50,310
.cloud. We use it for, Helipad uses it.

1839
01:07:51,650 --> 01:07:54,650
We've, we've always, we've always done this.

1840
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:56,310
And so one of the things we knew

1841
01:07:56,310 --> 01:07:59,730
that we needed in Godcaster was that these,

1842
01:07:59,930 --> 01:08:01,470
each radio station was going to need to

1843
01:08:01,470 --> 01:08:05,930
have stats about who's listening to their show

1844
01:08:05,930 --> 01:08:10,250
or not necessarily who, but how many plays

1845
01:08:10,250 --> 01:08:14,650
they're getting on what shows, how many support,

1846
01:08:14,850 --> 01:08:16,210
how many people are clicking on the donation

1847
01:08:16,210 --> 01:08:18,229
links, just all the different stats, the metrics

1848
01:08:18,229 --> 01:08:21,029
that you want from you, you, you roll

1849
01:08:21,029 --> 01:08:24,310
out this, this web player to your website

1850
01:08:24,310 --> 01:08:25,569
and you want to see all the stats

1851
01:08:26,010 --> 01:08:27,290
or record all the stats.

1852
01:08:28,390 --> 01:08:32,810
And that's a big commitment.

1853
01:08:32,930 --> 01:08:34,850
So we, you know, we, we know that

1854
01:08:34,850 --> 01:08:37,950
the hosting companies are very good at stats

1855
01:08:37,950 --> 01:08:41,270
really in a lot of ways.

1856
01:08:45,170 --> 01:08:47,130
In a lot of ways, hosting companies are

1857
01:08:47,130 --> 01:08:48,310
really stats companies.

1858
01:08:48,910 --> 01:08:49,649
Yeah, for sure.

1859
01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:53,850
You know, that's really what their main, what

1860
01:08:53,850 --> 01:08:55,670
is such a huge feature of what they

1861
01:08:55,670 --> 01:08:56,069
do.

1862
01:08:57,170 --> 01:08:59,649
Otherwise, why don't you, all you would do

1863
01:08:59,649 --> 01:09:01,529
is you throw it on archive.org or,

1864
01:09:02,189 --> 01:09:05,290
you know, a sound cloud or something, but

1865
01:09:05,290 --> 01:09:08,750
for, because you, but if you want to

1866
01:09:08,750 --> 01:09:11,330
have real meaningful stats and see what's happening

1867
01:09:11,330 --> 01:09:13,830
with your feed and with your episodes, you

1868
01:09:13,830 --> 01:09:14,710
use a hosting company.

1869
01:09:14,750 --> 01:09:15,189
Right.

1870
01:09:16,050 --> 01:09:18,450
And then they put, you know, they have

1871
01:09:18,450 --> 01:09:20,229
good UI on top of it, but, but

1872
01:09:20,229 --> 01:09:21,550
stats is a big part.

1873
01:09:21,970 --> 01:09:25,210
And I know from all my friends in

1874
01:09:25,210 --> 01:09:29,890
the podcast hosting world, that stats is also

1875
01:09:29,890 --> 01:09:32,270
a huge pain in the butt.

1876
01:09:32,430 --> 01:09:33,310
No kidding.

1877
01:09:34,390 --> 01:09:34,950
Yeah.

1878
01:09:35,189 --> 01:09:37,490
It's, it's hard, it's hard to do it

1879
01:09:37,490 --> 01:09:37,950
right.

1880
01:09:40,450 --> 01:09:46,229
It takes tons of server respaces, server resources

1881
01:09:46,229 --> 01:09:47,210
and disk space.

1882
01:09:48,470 --> 01:09:52,170
You can really just, you can really just

1883
01:09:52,170 --> 01:09:54,730
sell the farm when it comes to stats,

1884
01:09:54,730 --> 01:09:55,510
if you're not careful.

1885
01:09:56,890 --> 01:10:02,200
And so I was like, I had that

1886
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:03,780
in mind and I was thinking, what's the

1887
01:10:03,780 --> 01:10:06,640
best way to do this best in quotes.

1888
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:06,920
Right.

1889
01:10:07,780 --> 01:10:11,360
And it struck me, okay, let's, why don't

1890
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:12,500
we just do it this way?

1891
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:17,660
Why don't we have a stats, a SQLite

1892
01:10:17,660 --> 01:10:22,900
file for each web player for each month

1893
01:10:22,900 --> 01:10:23,980
of each year.

1894
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:31,160
So anytime an event happens like a play

1895
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:34,860
or a share or a support or anything

1896
01:10:34,860 --> 01:10:35,120
like that.

1897
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:37,100
I think it's like 18 different events.

1898
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:38,260
Yeah.

1899
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:38,820
It's a lot.

1900
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,520
This would also include RSS downloads from the

1901
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:48,300
station's feed, clicks on funding tags, all these

1902
01:10:48,300 --> 01:10:49,300
things get recorded.

1903
01:10:50,020 --> 01:10:52,820
Anytime that happens, anytime an event comes in,

1904
01:10:52,940 --> 01:10:55,900
it looks at the time, at the year,

1905
01:10:56,180 --> 01:11:01,940
the month, the year, the month, the day

1906
01:11:01,940 --> 01:11:03,120
and the hour.

1907
01:11:03,780 --> 01:11:06,700
And that gets recorded and that gets put

1908
01:11:06,700 --> 01:11:10,660
into a SQLite database for that player for

1909
01:11:10,660 --> 01:11:11,660
that year and month.

1910
01:11:11,820 --> 01:11:16,720
So you would have like 2025 underscore three

1911
01:11:17,620 --> 01:11:21,700
dash the player ID number dots dot DB.

1912
01:11:22,140 --> 01:11:25,160
And that's the SQLite database for that player

1913
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,400
for the month of March of 2025.

1914
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,300
And so everything in all the month of

1915
01:11:31,300 --> 01:11:33,180
March for that player gets recorded in that

1916
01:11:33,180 --> 01:11:33,420
thing.

1917
01:11:33,480 --> 01:11:34,780
And then when it rolls over to April,

1918
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,120
you get a new database, new file, new

1919
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:37,460
file.

1920
01:11:37,460 --> 01:11:45,160
So there's obviously there's tradeoffs, you know, it

1921
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:46,060
would like anything.

1922
01:11:46,220 --> 01:11:48,460
One of the tradeoffs is, and this is

1923
01:11:48,460 --> 01:11:51,100
a big one, is that you have to

1924
01:11:51,100 --> 01:11:54,220
store all your files on object storage.

1925
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:55,460
No, no, no.

1926
01:11:55,500 --> 01:11:56,120
On the disk.

1927
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:59,100
You have to store all your files on

1928
01:11:59,100 --> 01:12:01,800
the disk that is serving the content.

1929
01:12:02,580 --> 01:12:02,980
Right.

1930
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,360
If you want to write directly to the

1931
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:07,340
file now, we could queue these things and

1932
01:12:07,340 --> 01:12:08,920
ship them off to a different server that

1933
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:10,400
would do the recording, but we're not, you

1934
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:11,160
know, that's scaling.

1935
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:13,420
We're not we're not that's not necessary at

1936
01:12:13,420 --> 01:12:13,760
this point.

1937
01:12:14,440 --> 01:12:16,680
But there's that's just one of the tradeoffs

1938
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:18,440
that you have to, you know, you have

1939
01:12:18,440 --> 01:12:18,920
to consider.

1940
01:12:19,740 --> 01:12:21,560
But one of the on the pro side

1941
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:25,480
of the tradeoffs is you get like super

1942
01:12:25,480 --> 01:12:29,520
fast SQL storage and you don't have to

1943
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,180
run a separate SQL server.

1944
01:12:32,020 --> 01:12:32,900
It's great.

1945
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,560
It's fantastic, which is great.

1946
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:36,840
Now, let me ask you a question.

1947
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:40,400
So when you so I understand that.

1948
01:12:41,460 --> 01:12:43,900
And of course, people can download their month's

1949
01:12:43,900 --> 01:12:46,140
worth of stats, raw log file, which is

1950
01:12:46,140 --> 01:12:48,920
great, you know, CSV format, boom, open it

1951
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:53,100
up, pivot table, rotate, zoom, enhance pie chart.

1952
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:56,460
But then how did you parse out by

1953
01:12:56,460 --> 01:12:57,100
program?

1954
01:12:58,040 --> 01:12:59,680
So that's yeah.

1955
01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:00,820
So that's the next.

1956
01:13:01,740 --> 01:13:03,700
That's that's the next part is.

1957
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:07,460
So when we went to give publishers their

1958
01:13:07,460 --> 01:13:10,080
stats, so I want to see I want

1959
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,160
so I'm let's say I'm focused on the

1960
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:16,480
family and I have 12 different different podcasts

1961
01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:19,400
and I want to see how my 12

1962
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:21,820
different podcasts are performing across all of the

1963
01:13:21,820 --> 01:13:23,820
players on on on the platform.

1964
01:13:25,340 --> 01:13:27,400
What now what we do is we have

1965
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:32,520
a publisher database, same thing, SQLite database for

1966
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:35,720
the year and the month publisher database, and

1967
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:39,020
then once an hour it goes through and

1968
01:13:39,020 --> 01:13:41,560
finds all the players that have that show

1969
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:45,320
in them in their lineup, opens up the

1970
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:48,820
opens up that shows database, pulls the latest

1971
01:13:48,820 --> 01:13:50,980
entries out for just those programs and sticks

1972
01:13:50,980 --> 01:13:52,800
it in the publisher's database.

1973
01:13:53,140 --> 01:13:54,800
That could be quite a process over time.

1974
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,100
It's not fast, but it's not horrible either.

1975
01:13:58,480 --> 01:14:00,840
I mean, it's it's not too bad, because

1976
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:03,860
the one thing about again, SQLite is lightning

1977
01:14:03,860 --> 01:14:04,340
fast.

1978
01:14:05,180 --> 01:14:06,120
It is so quick.

1979
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:12,280
And I mean, once you these files are.

1980
01:14:13,300 --> 01:14:16,300
Generally pretty small, even for lots and lots

1981
01:14:16,300 --> 01:14:19,480
of entries, they never tend to grow too

1982
01:14:19,480 --> 01:14:21,360
huge and all you're taking is the delta

1983
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:22,020
each time.

1984
01:14:22,540 --> 01:14:25,400
So you're just taking this hours entries.

1985
01:14:25,700 --> 01:14:26,480
OK, right.

1986
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:29,760
You know, so at most you're only really

1987
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:31,840
pulling out, you know, a few hundred entries

1988
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:34,360
or a thousand maybe each time.

1989
01:14:35,620 --> 01:14:37,160
You know, so it's not too bad.

1990
01:14:37,380 --> 01:14:38,040
And so then that.

1991
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:40,340
That's how we have.

1992
01:14:41,260 --> 01:14:44,720
You know, database, we have stats databases that

1993
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,640
are specific to each thing, and the other

1994
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:49,480
nice thing about it is when you want

1995
01:14:49,480 --> 01:14:52,980
to when you want to purge stats for

1996
01:14:52,980 --> 01:14:56,620
older months, you just delete the file.

1997
01:14:58,580 --> 01:14:59,900
There's no database work.

1998
01:15:00,060 --> 01:15:01,020
Yeah, there's no pruning.

1999
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:03,600
No, there's no pruning is because you just

2000
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,840
it's like, well, you know, we keep two

2001
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:09,100
months, we keep two months of stats currently.

2002
01:15:09,100 --> 01:15:11,980
So when we get, you know, to April,

2003
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,520
February, we'll just disappear.

2004
01:15:15,900 --> 01:15:17,840
We'll just do an RRM.

2005
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:21,120
We'll ship it off to Iron Mountain on

2006
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:21,440
tape.

2007
01:15:22,380 --> 01:15:24,240
You know, go under the earth.

2008
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:26,120
Of all, you know, of all the times

2009
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:28,360
back in the day in the 90s when

2010
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:30,600
we had think new ideas and you know,

2011
01:15:30,620 --> 01:15:34,540
we had we it was required by some

2012
01:15:34,540 --> 01:15:37,360
of our customers like Reebok and Anheuser-Busch.

2013
01:15:39,100 --> 01:15:40,720
You know, you have to have backups of

2014
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:41,080
everything.

2015
01:15:41,220 --> 01:15:43,580
And so we do we'd run legato tape

2016
01:15:43,580 --> 01:15:44,160
backups.

2017
01:15:44,700 --> 01:15:46,720
We'd ship it off not to Iron Mountain,

2018
01:15:46,780 --> 01:15:47,780
but something comparable.

2019
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:52,300
I would say the two times we had

2020
01:15:52,300 --> 01:15:56,360
a catastrophic crash, it was the most horrible

2021
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:58,840
process to restore everything from tape.

2022
01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:01,640
I mean, it took weeks.

2023
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:04,580
It took weeks to get that done.

2024
01:16:04,660 --> 01:16:06,180
It was like, this is not a real

2025
01:16:06,180 --> 01:16:06,740
solution.

2026
01:16:06,740 --> 01:16:08,720
This is not really working well.

2027
01:16:09,020 --> 01:16:10,220
It was bad.

2028
01:16:11,100 --> 01:16:11,500
Yeah, we.

2029
01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:20,000
You know, tape storage is great until you

2030
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:22,200
need to restore and then it's very slow.

2031
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:23,380
It looks great.

2032
01:16:23,500 --> 01:16:24,720
Oh, look at all these tapes we got.

2033
01:16:24,820 --> 01:16:25,280
Oh, that's cool.

2034
01:16:25,340 --> 01:16:25,860
That's awesome.

2035
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:28,540
A object storage and cloud storage for backup

2036
01:16:28,540 --> 01:16:29,380
is all right.

2037
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:29,800
Yeah.

2038
01:16:30,260 --> 01:16:31,420
It's also kind of that way.

2039
01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:32,800
It's great until you need to restore and

2040
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:34,280
then it can be a very slow process.

2041
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:34,940
Can be.

2042
01:16:35,820 --> 01:16:38,160
I see Iron Mountain trucks all over the

2043
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:38,540
place.

2044
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:40,120
I mean, they still they're still a big

2045
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:40,400
deal.

2046
01:16:40,460 --> 01:16:40,760
Oh, yeah.

2047
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:41,260
Yeah.

2048
01:16:41,340 --> 01:16:43,220
That's all the isn't all the V.A.

2049
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:45,680
pensions done on paper in Iron Mountain.

2050
01:16:46,420 --> 01:16:48,200
Oh, I heard that.

2051
01:16:49,980 --> 01:16:54,300
Well, but but I think the SQLite database,

2052
01:16:54,600 --> 01:17:01,410
this I've already started working on the version

2053
01:17:01,410 --> 01:17:03,870
to version 2.0 of the podcast index

2054
01:17:03,870 --> 01:17:04,250
API.

2055
01:17:05,410 --> 01:17:08,710
I've got some some sort of some scaffolding

2056
01:17:08,710 --> 01:17:11,510
code written that.

2057
01:17:12,730 --> 01:17:15,090
So it's going to it's a it's going

2058
01:17:15,090 --> 01:17:16,750
to be this new version of the API

2059
01:17:16,750 --> 01:17:18,410
is going to be in Rust and it'll

2060
01:17:18,410 --> 01:17:23,110
be it's built on poem.

2061
01:17:24,130 --> 01:17:27,750
This poem, a poem, open API crate.

2062
01:17:28,630 --> 01:17:31,630
Alex turned me on to this crate and.

2063
01:17:32,670 --> 01:17:36,010
It's this thing is so slick, it is

2064
01:17:36,010 --> 01:17:40,890
so easy poem crate poem dash APC poem

2065
01:17:40,890 --> 01:17:45,530
dash open API poem crate is just a

2066
01:17:45,530 --> 01:17:47,670
great, great show title poem crate.

2067
01:17:49,830 --> 01:17:51,870
Yeah, poem dash open API.

2068
01:17:52,050 --> 01:17:55,230
So you can it makes it like effortless

2069
01:17:55,230 --> 01:17:58,970
to create routes that attach to some assume

2070
01:17:58,970 --> 01:18:01,630
a code like a function.

2071
01:18:02,650 --> 01:18:05,290
And so I think that's going to be

2072
01:18:05,290 --> 01:18:09,450
really the the the heart of version two,

2073
01:18:09,730 --> 01:18:12,290
version two of the podcast index rest API.

2074
01:18:12,970 --> 01:18:14,090
And then.

2075
01:18:15,220 --> 01:18:18,130
But what I'm going very slow and very

2076
01:18:18,130 --> 01:18:22,490
careful because what I want to happen is

2077
01:18:22,490 --> 01:18:24,030
as we have this API.

2078
01:18:24,750 --> 01:18:28,490
We need it to follow a specific.

2079
01:18:29,330 --> 01:18:30,770
SQL schema.

2080
01:18:32,290 --> 01:18:36,290
So that we can then.

2081
01:18:37,570 --> 01:18:39,770
Here's here's kind of what I'm hoping for

2082
01:18:39,770 --> 01:18:42,370
is to be able to ship.

2083
01:18:43,630 --> 01:18:46,390
My ship SQLite.

2084
01:18:47,990 --> 01:18:51,650
Files that contain slices of the database around.

2085
01:18:52,550 --> 01:18:54,430
So then so what we would do is

2086
01:18:54,430 --> 01:18:56,690
like we talked about this before, what our

2087
01:18:56,690 --> 01:18:57,810
vision is, is that.

2088
01:18:59,250 --> 01:19:01,950
Somebody can request part of the part of

2089
01:19:01,950 --> 01:19:04,350
the index and take that on as a

2090
01:19:04,350 --> 01:19:06,650
workload on their on their node.

2091
01:19:07,290 --> 01:19:09,410
And so in order to make that happen,

2092
01:19:09,450 --> 01:19:10,530
we got to be able to ship.

2093
01:19:11,050 --> 01:19:14,230
You know, a decent chunk of data.

2094
01:19:15,330 --> 01:19:18,010
To them, Eric, it's not.

2095
01:19:18,450 --> 01:19:19,210
I mean, I wouldn't really.

2096
01:19:19,610 --> 01:19:21,890
I'm not really thinking in terms of shards

2097
01:19:21,890 --> 01:19:29,190
because I'm uncomfortable sharding something across like this

2098
01:19:29,190 --> 01:19:30,170
massive distance.

2099
01:19:30,270 --> 01:19:31,530
You know, it's not going to be on

2100
01:19:31,530 --> 01:19:34,970
the same land segment or even close.

2101
01:19:35,370 --> 01:19:37,570
So these really have to be.

2102
01:19:38,970 --> 01:19:41,350
Like these really have to be able to

2103
01:19:41,350 --> 01:19:45,010
operate as if they were disconnected from the

2104
01:19:45,010 --> 01:19:45,550
mothership.

2105
01:19:48,490 --> 01:19:51,150
Big, I mean, so I'm thinking, you know,

2106
01:19:51,210 --> 01:19:53,670
if somebody requests a slice of the database

2107
01:19:53,670 --> 01:19:57,250
that's 10,000 shows, I mean, I don't

2108
01:19:57,250 --> 01:20:01,410
know, 40 40 megs or something like that,

2109
01:20:01,490 --> 01:20:02,910
40, 50 megs worth of data.

2110
01:20:02,910 --> 01:20:07,930
That's going to be sent across to this

2111
01:20:07,930 --> 01:20:11,070
other node through, you know, our DHT connection.

2112
01:20:11,810 --> 01:20:13,790
And so that then that other node gets

2113
01:20:13,790 --> 01:20:16,630
this SQLite database and loads it into whatever

2114
01:20:16,630 --> 01:20:19,850
their back end databases or they could just

2115
01:20:19,850 --> 01:20:21,590
work off that SQLite database itself.

2116
01:20:22,450 --> 01:20:24,430
And then if they ever needed to give

2117
01:20:24,430 --> 01:20:25,990
it back, they could send the send, you

2118
01:20:25,990 --> 01:20:26,910
know, they could send it back.

2119
01:20:27,330 --> 01:20:29,470
So I'm thinking about like this would be

2120
01:20:29,470 --> 01:20:33,050
the message passing would be these SQLite database

2121
01:20:33,050 --> 01:20:35,550
files because they're they can be very small.

2122
01:20:37,210 --> 01:20:39,990
I, um, that's very exciting, Dave.

2123
01:20:42,590 --> 01:20:43,910
It's not, but thanks.

2124
01:20:46,930 --> 01:20:48,050
I'm looking forward to it.

2125
01:20:48,110 --> 01:20:49,550
I got five gigabit per second.

2126
01:20:49,650 --> 01:20:50,770
I got lots of disk space.

2127
01:20:50,850 --> 01:20:52,230
I'm ready for you to shard on me.

2128
01:20:52,350 --> 01:20:53,330
Bring it on, big boy.

2129
01:20:53,450 --> 01:20:54,450
I'm good to go.

2130
01:20:54,630 --> 01:20:55,130
I'm good to go.

2131
01:20:55,630 --> 01:20:57,550
There's about four people in the boardroom who

2132
01:20:57,550 --> 01:20:58,050
enjoyed that.

2133
01:20:58,050 --> 01:21:01,350
Yeah, I wanted to just before we thank

2134
01:21:01,350 --> 01:21:02,530
some people, because I know you got to

2135
01:21:02,530 --> 01:21:03,350
get back to the office.

2136
01:21:04,390 --> 01:21:06,670
I just wanted to mention one 2.0

2137
01:21:06,670 --> 01:21:08,690
feature that has just been a thing of

2138
01:21:08,690 --> 01:21:10,370
beauty, and that's the funding tag.

2139
01:21:11,470 --> 01:21:16,850
And it would work perfectly well with chapter

2140
01:21:16,850 --> 01:21:17,330
links.

2141
01:21:18,870 --> 01:21:24,810
So in the Godcaster, the host of the

2142
01:21:24,810 --> 01:21:26,890
show, they have a post role in their

2143
01:21:26,890 --> 01:21:27,370
audio.

2144
01:21:27,630 --> 01:21:29,970
That's there's a whole infrastructure set up in

2145
01:21:29,970 --> 01:21:31,350
Radioland called Ambassador.

2146
01:21:32,110 --> 01:21:33,210
And so at the end of the show,

2147
01:21:33,630 --> 01:21:36,050
the host and the host voice says, hey,

2148
01:21:36,090 --> 01:21:39,890
if you liked our program, go to KHCB's

2149
01:21:39,890 --> 01:21:40,410
website.

2150
01:21:40,750 --> 01:21:42,970
If you're not already there, click on the

2151
01:21:42,970 --> 01:21:43,630
donate button.

2152
01:21:44,770 --> 01:21:46,410
And that's the funding tag.

2153
01:21:47,370 --> 01:21:49,710
And so when you hit that, it takes

2154
01:21:49,710 --> 01:21:54,810
you to the program producers donation page, and

2155
01:21:54,810 --> 01:21:57,330
we send off a referring URL.

2156
01:21:58,350 --> 01:22:01,070
And that shows up somewhere.

2157
01:22:01,550 --> 01:22:04,570
What was really beautiful is I did this

2158
01:22:04,570 --> 01:22:06,910
for Focus on the Family, and I had

2159
01:22:06,910 --> 01:22:08,710
already donated, I guess, once.

2160
01:22:08,830 --> 01:22:12,470
And so I didn't complete my donation.

2161
01:22:13,090 --> 01:22:14,890
And then I got an email from them,

2162
01:22:15,030 --> 01:22:16,690
kind of like a shopping cart, where someone

2163
01:22:16,690 --> 01:22:18,350
said, hey, you left and your shopping cart

2164
01:22:18,350 --> 01:22:18,970
is still open.

2165
01:22:19,670 --> 01:22:20,730
You didn't donate.

2166
01:22:20,890 --> 01:22:22,210
And it had a link, and it was

2167
01:22:22,210 --> 01:22:24,890
our link with the referral code.

2168
01:22:25,330 --> 01:22:28,090
And so the implication of that is that

2169
01:22:28,090 --> 01:22:32,550
we can show a conversion from a radio

2170
01:22:32,550 --> 01:22:36,550
station's Godcaster player all the way through a

2171
01:22:36,550 --> 01:22:42,950
programmer's database, their customer relationship management database.

2172
01:22:43,090 --> 01:22:45,750
We can show that conversion because their system

2173
01:22:45,750 --> 01:22:47,530
is already aware of that link.

2174
01:22:48,170 --> 01:22:53,810
This would work extremely well with per inquiry,

2175
01:22:54,110 --> 01:22:56,550
call to action, Code Bongino type stuff.

2176
01:22:57,170 --> 01:22:58,990
You know, hey, just- We should talk

2177
01:22:58,990 --> 01:23:01,130
about this with Tom next week.

2178
01:23:01,130 --> 01:23:01,230
Yes.

2179
01:23:01,330 --> 01:23:05,090
Because I think this is an untapped experience.

2180
01:23:05,330 --> 01:23:06,810
To be able to show, because I saw

2181
01:23:06,810 --> 01:23:08,450
it, it's like, holy crap, we can now

2182
01:23:08,450 --> 01:23:11,930
show conversion when someone hits that link.

2183
01:23:12,310 --> 01:23:13,810
And it doesn't have to be the funding

2184
01:23:13,810 --> 01:23:14,070
link.

2185
01:23:14,170 --> 01:23:16,870
It can be a chapter link.

2186
01:23:16,870 --> 01:23:18,370
It can be all kinds of different things.

2187
01:23:19,030 --> 01:23:21,470
But that going all the way in and

2188
01:23:21,470 --> 01:23:25,170
automatically having the referral code, wherever that came

2189
01:23:25,170 --> 01:23:27,230
from, whatever the app was, which is something

2190
01:23:27,230 --> 01:23:28,450
we could- I think we could kind

2191
01:23:28,450 --> 01:23:29,090
of do that.

2192
01:23:29,410 --> 01:23:31,110
I think we could all agree, like, well,

2193
01:23:31,210 --> 01:23:33,650
why don't I just have a referring link

2194
01:23:33,650 --> 01:23:36,710
or something that I send along from my

2195
01:23:36,710 --> 01:23:39,630
podcast app, whether it's Podverse or Podcast Guru,

2196
01:23:40,150 --> 01:23:44,270
then you can also talk about- To

2197
01:23:44,270 --> 01:23:45,490
me, it's kind of like a value for

2198
01:23:45,490 --> 01:23:49,450
value sharing mechanism where, hey, this many people

2199
01:23:49,450 --> 01:23:55,270
use my app to look at your product

2200
01:23:55,270 --> 01:23:56,730
and they went through conversion.

2201
01:23:56,990 --> 01:23:59,370
I mean, there's a lot of opportunity there

2202
01:23:59,370 --> 01:24:01,110
that we're not- And you know, Rocky's

2203
01:24:01,110 --> 01:24:02,110
really hot on this too.

2204
01:24:02,190 --> 01:24:03,790
She really likes this chapter stuff.

2205
01:24:04,570 --> 01:24:06,110
Not just for- Rocky from Soundscape?

2206
01:24:06,110 --> 01:24:06,210
Yeah.

2207
01:24:06,350 --> 01:24:09,230
Not just for tracking, but the whole conversion

2208
01:24:09,230 --> 01:24:11,450
thing, that could actually be, I think, pretty

2209
01:24:11,450 --> 01:24:11,910
groundbreaking.

2210
01:24:12,310 --> 01:24:13,810
We could work with our brothers and sisters

2211
01:24:13,810 --> 01:24:15,630
in the podcast industrial complex.

2212
01:24:16,510 --> 01:24:18,310
It wouldn't be a hard code change, I

2213
01:24:18,310 --> 01:24:18,690
don't think.

2214
01:24:19,230 --> 01:24:21,210
Well, I mean, if we just have a

2215
01:24:21,210 --> 01:24:24,090
spec for what to send and then how

2216
01:24:24,090 --> 01:24:26,910
to- And then part of the spec

2217
01:24:26,910 --> 01:24:30,390
is store it- When you receive it

2218
01:24:30,390 --> 01:24:32,590
on the receiving side, store it this way

2219
01:24:32,590 --> 01:24:35,250
so that you can then confirm the conversion.

2220
01:24:35,250 --> 01:24:35,850
Yeah.

2221
01:24:36,050 --> 01:24:37,470
With some ping back or something.

2222
01:24:37,610 --> 01:24:37,730
Yeah.

2223
01:24:38,010 --> 01:24:38,530
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2224
01:24:39,190 --> 01:24:39,990
I like it.

2225
01:24:40,130 --> 01:24:40,230
Yeah.

2226
01:24:40,730 --> 01:24:42,710
Let's chat with that.

2227
01:24:42,810 --> 01:24:43,330
Duly noted.

2228
01:24:43,570 --> 01:24:44,070
Duly noted.

2229
01:24:45,030 --> 01:24:45,910
All right.

2230
01:24:46,010 --> 01:24:47,090
We are value for value.

2231
01:24:47,210 --> 01:24:48,370
That's how everything keeps running.

2232
01:24:48,510 --> 01:24:50,650
It's proof that podcasting 2.0 is a

2233
01:24:50,650 --> 01:24:52,470
success, as is the value for value model,

2234
01:24:52,530 --> 01:24:55,710
because everything's still running and we're getting ready

2235
01:24:55,710 --> 01:24:56,230
to shard.

2236
01:24:56,450 --> 01:24:58,090
So something must be working.

2237
01:25:00,010 --> 01:25:02,890
And a lot of that comes through the

2238
01:25:02,890 --> 01:25:07,090
modern podcast apps, people using the Satoshis to

2239
01:25:07,090 --> 01:25:07,630
boost us.

2240
01:25:07,730 --> 01:25:09,670
In fact, the split kit was used by

2241
01:25:09,670 --> 01:25:12,250
Randy Black, who sent us 1321 Satoshi.

2242
01:25:12,450 --> 01:25:14,970
Says, oh, this sexy stats and coding talk

2243
01:25:14,970 --> 01:25:16,790
has me all excited this afternoon.

2244
01:25:17,010 --> 01:25:18,710
I just love it when Dave and Adam

2245
01:25:18,710 --> 01:25:19,870
get all geeky on us.

2246
01:25:19,970 --> 01:25:21,050
Go podcasting.

2247
01:25:21,330 --> 01:25:22,090
Okay, Randy.

2248
01:25:22,310 --> 01:25:23,410
People like the geek.

2249
01:25:23,550 --> 01:25:24,550
They like the geeky stuff.

2250
01:25:24,670 --> 01:25:24,910
They do.

2251
01:25:24,970 --> 01:25:25,470
They like the deep dive.

2252
01:25:25,470 --> 01:25:27,810
Cole McCormick, 1111.

2253
01:25:28,070 --> 01:25:30,510
I tried being consistent with editing my podcast

2254
01:25:30,510 --> 01:25:31,850
video, became exhausting.

2255
01:25:32,330 --> 01:25:34,270
Now I'm planning on simplifying it with live

2256
01:25:34,270 --> 01:25:36,550
streaming to all podcast apps and most important

2257
01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:38,970
video platforms, YouTube X and Noster.

2258
01:25:39,170 --> 01:25:39,570
All right.

2259
01:25:40,330 --> 01:25:44,370
Bruce W, 1192, baby's first boost.

2260
01:25:45,150 --> 01:25:46,030
Go podcasting.

2261
01:25:47,570 --> 01:25:49,830
Is that really your baby coming in from

2262
01:25:49,830 --> 01:25:50,590
true fans?

2263
01:25:51,130 --> 01:25:53,630
Salty Crayons on CurioCaster, 3140.

2264
01:25:53,730 --> 01:25:54,270
Howdy, boardroom.

2265
01:25:54,350 --> 01:25:54,970
Happy Pi Day.

2266
01:25:55,090 --> 01:25:56,890
My raspberry pie has been running for three

2267
01:25:56,890 --> 01:25:59,110
plus years and has never failed as my

2268
01:25:59,110 --> 01:25:59,410
node.

2269
01:25:59,530 --> 01:26:01,410
Still pings the pongs in the pipe.

2270
01:26:04,510 --> 01:26:09,190
We have Martin Lindeskog, a true fan, 1701.

2271
01:26:09,810 --> 01:26:10,750
Back to the future.

2272
01:26:10,890 --> 01:26:13,050
How will you celebrate the Persian New Year?

2273
01:26:13,370 --> 01:26:13,930
Nowruz.

2274
01:26:14,450 --> 01:26:16,090
I am lost in space, but I have

2275
01:26:16,090 --> 01:26:19,490
Ron Plouffe's griddle cakes and Sam Sethi's virtual

2276
01:26:19,490 --> 01:26:20,810
wine on my starship.

2277
01:26:21,710 --> 01:26:22,830
That's 1701.

2278
01:26:22,930 --> 01:26:24,830
Oh, 1701 sats, of course.

2279
01:26:24,970 --> 01:26:25,630
Yes, of course.

2280
01:26:25,690 --> 01:26:27,430
It's the Enterprise, wasn't it?

2281
01:26:27,470 --> 01:26:27,970
1701?

2282
01:26:28,550 --> 01:26:29,070
Yeah, that's right.

2283
01:26:29,190 --> 01:26:31,730
Martin Lindeskog, PS Dave, what is skinny pop?

2284
01:26:32,090 --> 01:26:33,710
Do you get gay by eating them?

2285
01:26:35,370 --> 01:26:37,290
Do you like pork rinds?

2286
01:26:40,810 --> 01:26:45,530
Skinny pop is, this is aged white cheddar.

2287
01:26:47,990 --> 01:26:51,490
I don't think there's gay in the bag,

2288
01:26:52,310 --> 01:26:53,910
but I'm not sure.

2289
01:26:54,310 --> 01:26:54,730
It could be.

2290
01:26:54,970 --> 01:26:56,450
You have to get the non-gay kind.

2291
01:26:57,550 --> 01:27:00,590
That's your own preference, whatever taste you have

2292
01:27:00,590 --> 01:27:00,890
today.

2293
01:27:03,310 --> 01:27:04,690
3141 from Dreb Scott.

2294
01:27:04,770 --> 01:27:05,870
He says, go podcasting.

2295
01:27:05,930 --> 01:27:06,610
Happy Pi Day.

2296
01:27:07,090 --> 01:27:10,310
Coming in from Podverse and from CurioCaster, 314

2297
01:27:10,310 --> 01:27:13,750
from Salty Crayon, 314 Pi Day bat signal

2298
01:27:13,750 --> 01:27:14,230
confirmed.

2299
01:27:14,730 --> 01:27:19,510
And then we've got Cole McCormick with 1111

2300
01:27:19,510 --> 01:27:20,070
again.

2301
01:27:20,770 --> 01:27:23,270
He says, Dave, please know there's a random

2302
01:27:23,270 --> 01:27:26,270
guy in Los Angeles who deeply loves your

2303
01:27:26,270 --> 01:27:27,430
spirit and your work.

2304
01:27:28,030 --> 01:27:30,030
It's clear that your intentions are to serve

2305
01:27:30,030 --> 01:27:32,010
podcasting and all that enjoy it.

2306
01:27:32,350 --> 01:27:34,170
I see you and appreciate you.

2307
01:27:34,630 --> 01:27:35,790
Choose your thoughts wisely.

2308
01:27:36,190 --> 01:27:37,550
This is what creates your life.

2309
01:27:37,610 --> 01:27:39,150
At least you didn't get into an argument

2310
01:27:39,150 --> 01:27:40,490
with your podcasting wife.

2311
01:27:40,830 --> 01:27:41,450
That would be Adam.

2312
01:27:42,090 --> 01:27:43,770
I don't, I don't think we've ever, have

2313
01:27:43,770 --> 01:27:44,870
we ever had an argument?

2314
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:48,440
I don't think so.

2315
01:27:48,500 --> 01:27:49,200
I don't think so either.

2316
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:53,500
No, no, never had an argument and they

2317
01:27:53,500 --> 01:27:55,900
never had a podcast for 15 years and

2318
01:27:55,900 --> 01:27:57,360
they never had a fight and I hit

2319
01:27:57,360 --> 01:27:57,920
the delimiter.

2320
01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:00,040
So Dave will tell us who else supported

2321
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:00,940
the show this week.

2322
01:28:01,540 --> 01:28:06,220
Well, we got, uh, let me, I've got

2323
01:28:06,220 --> 01:28:08,960
foolishly stapled these pieces of paper together.

2324
01:28:09,100 --> 01:28:10,940
So now I have to de-staple them.

2325
01:28:11,740 --> 01:28:13,560
Um, what is, oh, here we go.

2326
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:14,100
I got it.

2327
01:28:14,140 --> 01:28:14,740
I got it.

2328
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:16,780
Oscar Mary, $200.

2329
01:28:17,860 --> 01:28:18,900
Ooh, very nice.

2330
01:28:18,940 --> 01:28:19,840
That's a big baller.

2331
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:20,720
Hold on a second.

2332
01:28:25,540 --> 01:28:26,620
Thank you, Oscar.

2333
01:28:27,440 --> 01:28:28,860
Salty Crayon, you're going to send me some

2334
01:28:28,860 --> 01:28:29,320
beef sticks?

2335
01:28:29,420 --> 01:28:29,880
Yes, please.

2336
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:31,020
I'll take beef sticks.

2337
01:28:32,140 --> 01:28:35,340
Um, Franco, our buddy Franco, 100 bucks.

2338
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:37,480
He says sending some coupons and a lot

2339
01:28:37,480 --> 01:28:37,980
of love.

2340
01:28:38,220 --> 01:28:38,700
Very nice.

2341
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:39,440
Thank you, Franco.

2342
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:40,480
It's appreciated.

2343
01:28:41,020 --> 01:28:41,420
Yeah.

2344
01:28:41,500 --> 01:28:43,340
I sent him an email asking when we

2345
01:28:43,340 --> 01:28:44,220
can get him back on the show.

2346
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:45,800
Cause we need an update on Castamatic.

2347
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:46,080
Yeah.

2348
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:47,760
We need an update on Italy in general.

2349
01:28:48,480 --> 01:28:48,700
Italy.

2350
01:28:48,820 --> 01:28:49,020
Yes.

2351
01:28:49,060 --> 01:28:49,280
Yes.

2352
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:50,480
Are you still there, Italy?

2353
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:53,400
Italy, your points please.

2354
01:28:55,780 --> 01:28:57,180
Podverse, $50.

2355
01:28:57,980 --> 01:28:59,660
Ah, Mitch, thank you so much.

2356
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:05,040
I'm assuming that Mitch is heads down coding

2357
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:08,020
away on Podverse next gen.

2358
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:08,600
NG.

2359
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:09,240
Yes.

2360
01:29:09,340 --> 01:29:10,700
A lot going on with that.

2361
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:13,960
And still a, um, the number two app

2362
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:18,080
behind Apple on, uh, no agenda.

2363
01:29:18,480 --> 01:29:19,780
That's, that's not bad.

2364
01:29:20,140 --> 01:29:20,500
Mm.

2365
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:22,360
Uh, let's see.

2366
01:29:23,100 --> 01:29:26,020
Uh, Franco actually just responded to me.

2367
01:29:26,180 --> 01:29:26,420
So, okay.

2368
01:29:26,480 --> 01:29:27,520
We'll, we'll figure out a time.

2369
01:29:27,580 --> 01:29:29,560
He said, I'm listening, but let me in.

2370
01:29:30,540 --> 01:29:31,440
Let me in.

2371
01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:33,300
He says, yeah, we'll figure out a time

2372
01:29:33,300 --> 01:29:34,020
to get him on the show.

2373
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:35,360
Let's see here.

2374
01:29:35,380 --> 01:29:36,100
We got some booster grams.

2375
01:29:36,180 --> 01:29:38,940
We got 22, 22 from Bruce, the ugly

2376
01:29:38,940 --> 01:29:39,720
quacking duck.

2377
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:40,400
Yeah.

2378
01:29:40,540 --> 01:29:43,800
Uh, podcasting 2.0, uh, podcast guru.

2379
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:45,140
He says it should work.

2380
01:29:45,500 --> 01:29:45,960
Great to go.

2381
01:29:46,740 --> 01:29:47,140
Okay.

2382
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:49,960
It should, it should, it should work.

2383
01:29:50,940 --> 01:29:52,580
Uh, let's see what we got.

2384
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:55,920
Oppy 1984, 4,000 sats through the fountain.

2385
01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:58,340
He says, Dave, as a former business owner,

2386
01:29:58,440 --> 01:29:59,940
one hard lesson I had to learn was

2387
01:29:59,940 --> 01:30:01,500
trying to please everyone is a path to

2388
01:30:01,500 --> 01:30:01,760
ruin.

2389
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:03,840
Sometimes you just have to be thick skinned,

2390
01:30:03,860 --> 01:30:05,540
take ownership of a decision and tell the

2391
01:30:05,540 --> 01:30:06,620
people who don't like it, that they can

2392
01:30:06,620 --> 01:30:07,600
either accept it or leave.

2393
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:08,980
They'll get mad.

2394
01:30:09,060 --> 01:30:09,820
They'll threaten to leave.

2395
01:30:09,820 --> 01:30:11,160
And nine times out of 10, they'll come

2396
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:11,440
back.

2397
01:30:11,500 --> 01:30:13,380
And if they don't come back, then they

2398
01:30:13,380 --> 01:30:15,440
weren't the right, uh, one for the project.

2399
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:18,760
So look at after yourself first, brother, sweet.

2400
01:30:18,860 --> 01:30:19,180
Thank you.

2401
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:19,900
Appreciate that.

2402
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:20,640
I'll be 1984.

2403
01:30:22,140 --> 01:30:23,740
Um, Oh, let me see.

2404
01:30:23,780 --> 01:30:25,920
I've got one to go here.

2405
01:30:27,100 --> 01:30:27,500
Yeah.

2406
01:30:27,580 --> 01:30:27,740
Yeah.

2407
01:30:27,740 --> 01:30:27,960
Yeah.

2408
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:29,380
You, you read Cole McCormick.

2409
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:29,880
So I did.

2410
01:30:30,020 --> 01:30:30,440
I did.

2411
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:32,780
So we hit the delimiter then hit the

2412
01:30:32,780 --> 01:30:37,340
delimiter is comic strip blogger, 18,045 sats

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01:30:37,340 --> 01:30:38,120
through fountain.

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01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:41,680
He says, howdy, Dave and Adam, young people

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01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:44,340
and children nowadays prefer YouTube and Tik TOK

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01:30:44,340 --> 01:30:45,600
videos to podcasts.

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01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:47,480
So it's a wonder that Dave meet us

2418
01:30:47,480 --> 01:30:50,340
convinced his daughter Lila to create podcast with

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01:30:50,340 --> 01:30:50,600
him.

2420
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:53,480
And it's already second it's entitled.

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01:30:54,020 --> 01:30:56,640
Everything's an argument and it can be found

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01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:59,920
at www.argumentpod.com.

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01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:02,900
The hosts describe it as both an educational

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01:31:02,900 --> 01:31:04,260
and comedy podcast.

2425
01:31:04,260 --> 01:31:06,860
And they sometimes share expert opinions.

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01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:12,420
Yo CSB PS, Adam Kerwa AI is not

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01:31:12,420 --> 01:31:14,380
a parlor trick exclamation point.

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01:31:15,300 --> 01:31:18,320
Comic strip blogger is the recommendation engine of

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01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:20,660
podcasting 2.0. That's what I love about

2430
01:31:20,660 --> 01:31:20,860
him.

2431
01:31:20,940 --> 01:31:22,300
You don't need any AI.

2432
01:31:22,440 --> 01:31:23,440
He just needs CSB.

2433
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:24,740
That's all you need.

2434
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:25,400
You're good to go.

2435
01:31:25,580 --> 01:31:27,300
But CSB is AI.

2436
01:31:27,460 --> 01:31:29,700
I mean, like we were pretty convinced he

2437
01:31:29,700 --> 01:31:31,020
died years ago.

2438
01:31:32,140 --> 01:31:34,040
What were he's just doing?

2439
01:31:34,180 --> 01:31:35,200
This is all AI.

2440
01:31:35,660 --> 01:31:35,760
Yeah.

2441
01:31:36,140 --> 01:31:36,740
Yeah.

2442
01:31:38,340 --> 01:31:39,540
We got some monthlies.

2443
01:31:39,620 --> 01:31:40,980
We got Joseph Maraca, $5.

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01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:42,880
Randall Black, $10.

2445
01:31:43,580 --> 01:31:44,940
Basil Philip, $25.

2446
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:46,360
Thank you, Basil.

2447
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:49,200
Lauren Ball, $24.20. Thank you, Lauren.

2448
01:31:49,820 --> 01:31:51,200
Christopher Harabaric, $10.

2449
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:53,840
Mitch Downey, $10.

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01:31:54,300 --> 01:31:55,440
Terry Keller, $5.

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01:31:56,020 --> 01:31:57,600
Silicon Florist, $10.

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01:31:58,560 --> 01:31:59,820
Chris Cowan, $5.

2453
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:02,240
Damon Casajak, $15.

2454
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:06,120
Paul Saltzman, $22.22. Thank you, Paul.

2455
01:32:06,260 --> 01:32:06,700
Derek J.

2456
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:08,520
Visker, the best name in podcasting, $21.

2457
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:10,860
And Jeremy Gerds, $5.

2458
01:32:11,380 --> 01:32:12,200
Wow, that's beautiful.

2459
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:13,420
Thank you all so much.

2460
01:32:13,740 --> 01:32:14,600
Those are the PayPals.

2461
01:32:14,740 --> 01:32:16,540
You can go to podcastindex.org down at

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01:32:16,540 --> 01:32:16,800
the bottom.

2463
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:19,180
Red button takes you to our PayPal for

2464
01:32:19,180 --> 01:32:20,640
your fee out fund coupons.

2465
01:32:20,740 --> 01:32:22,520
Of course, it is podcasting 2.0. So

2466
01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:24,000
we love the boost, boost, boost.

2467
01:32:24,140 --> 01:32:25,980
And we got a late boost from SourceD.

2468
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:28,660
Also a Starship Enterprise boost 1701.

2469
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:29,820
He says running with scissors.

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01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:31,480
And that we are.

2471
01:32:31,580 --> 01:32:33,080
And we look forward to running with scissors

2472
01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:34,000
again next week.

2473
01:32:34,380 --> 01:32:36,340
Who knows what the argument will be then?

2474
01:32:36,980 --> 01:32:37,900
What will be on deck?

2475
01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:38,740
Well, we'll have Tom.

2476
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:39,680
We'll have Tom with us.

2477
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:40,880
I'm looking forward to it.

2478
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:42,260
I hope we can come up with some

2479
01:32:42,260 --> 01:32:43,140
solutions for Tom.

2480
01:32:43,420 --> 01:32:44,120
Tom needs money.

2481
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:45,260
We need to help him make money.

2482
01:32:47,540 --> 01:32:48,620
Tom needs money.

2483
01:32:48,620 --> 01:32:50,900
I think I think we can.

2484
01:32:50,940 --> 01:32:51,580
It's always good.

2485
01:32:51,660 --> 01:32:55,520
Like, you know, it's always good to it's

2486
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:59,080
always good to have these different perspectives.

2487
01:32:59,260 --> 01:33:00,020
I really enjoy it.

2488
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:02,060
I mean, every time we have somebody on

2489
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:05,440
who's not just steeped in this stuff, it's

2490
01:33:05,440 --> 01:33:07,300
it's always a learning experience.

2491
01:33:07,440 --> 01:33:07,740
Yes.

2492
01:33:08,020 --> 01:33:09,920
But, you know, because you got to you've

2493
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:14,700
got to we can't just go like, you

2494
01:33:14,700 --> 01:33:17,340
know, just down navel gazing into the silo

2495
01:33:17,340 --> 01:33:17,780
all the time.

2496
01:33:17,900 --> 01:33:19,600
We got to have somebody we got to

2497
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:20,440
talk outside the bubble.

2498
01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:23,240
And I'm thinking that that funding tag could

2499
01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:26,240
be used even even Apple could could get

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01:33:26,240 --> 01:33:27,060
on board with that.

2501
01:33:27,580 --> 01:33:30,060
What if what if you just had if

2502
01:33:30,060 --> 01:33:33,140
you forget what it's called, if you just

2503
01:33:33,140 --> 01:33:37,340
had a star or a donkey or something

2504
01:33:37,340 --> 01:33:39,980
on Apple podcast that you could hook up

2505
01:33:39,980 --> 01:33:41,400
to anything, you know, it's like, well, if

2506
01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:44,160
you hit the donkey, if if you whack

2507
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:46,320
the donkey, then you can you go straight

2508
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:49,460
to this advertiser's website and and I'll get

2509
01:33:49,460 --> 01:33:50,760
credit for it or something like that.

2510
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:53,120
There's something there we'll have to explore.

2511
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:54,080
We will explore it.

2512
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:56,240
Can we please call it something other than

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01:33:56,240 --> 01:33:57,040
whack the donkey?

2514
01:33:57,160 --> 01:33:58,820
Because that makes me super uncomfortable.

2515
01:34:00,140 --> 01:34:02,160
All right, brother Dave, I'll be praying for

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01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:04,660
you for decent weather throughout the weekend.

2517
01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:05,800
Thank you, bro.

2518
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:06,520
All right, everybody.

2519
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:07,660
Thank you very much boardroom.

2520
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:09,160
We'll see you next week right here on

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01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:15,120
podcasting 2.0. Bring the doughnuts.

2522
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:27,940
You have been listening to podcasting 2.0.

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01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:31,600
Visit podcast index.org for more information.

2524
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:33,500
Go podcasting.

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01:34:33,900 --> 01:34:35,700
Oh, my bathrobe fell open.