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Adam Curry: Podcasting 2.0 for
November 1, 2024, episode 199,

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feed bloat, hello everybody. It
is a brand new month, and a

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brand new board meeting.
Podcasting 2.0 is ready to go,

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where we discuss all things
podcasting, what is ahead, what

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is here, now, and sometimes we
look over our shoulder. We are

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indeed the only boardroom that
has no agenda to follow or key

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decision making authority. I'm
Adam curry here in the heart of

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the Texas Hill Country and in
Alabama, the man with the plan,

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that plan is phase eight. Say
hello to my friend on the other

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end, the one, the only Mr. Dave
Jones.

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Dave Jones: So I've got so much
crap in here in this room now

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it's just I the reason we
couldn't rip in a timely fashion

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is because I had so much like,
it's just chaos you've

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Adam Curry: been living in that
room. That's why you've

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literally, I know Melissa. You
don't have to call me Melissa. I

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know he's living in that room.
Am I right?

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Dave Jones: Sleeping bag under
the desk? Yes, you

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Adam Curry: know it's really bad
when you know that you've been

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working in your in your office
too much at home, when your wife

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puts the kitty litter box in
your office to try to stink you

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out. Yeah, you're screwed when
that happens. Yeah, they're

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Dave Jones: trying to smoke you
out. Yeah, you're like, oh

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Adam Curry: no, oh no,

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Dave Jones: I'm coming out.
Brother, no, I've got, I bought,

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I bought this car play Android
Auto device, and that's set up

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in here. And

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Adam Curry: what exactly is
that? Because I have CarPlay in

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my or no auto Android in my car,
and now you have a device for

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it. How does that work? Yeah,

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Dave Jones: okay, so this is
like, and then grab it. Okay,

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it's, this is an Amazon special.
Oh, because it's got, it's just

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a white box that says portable,
wireless car stereo. It's like

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the generic peanut butter
container. This is white, and it

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just says peanut butter and
black, yeah, so, but it's, it's

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just seven inch like a wide
screen, 16 by nine format

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screen, uh huh, touch screen
with and it's got Android Auto

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and CarPlay, oh, and on on it,
so it's like a head unit and

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Adam Curry: but now, do you
connect portable? How do you

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connect it to audio through a
Bluetooth or a J really?

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Dave Jones: Bluetooth? Yes,

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Adam Curry: that's pretty cool.

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Dave Jones: It's only 50 bucks.
It was 499

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Adam Curry: that's not even 50
bucks. It was not even $50

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that's interesting. And does it
have? Does it come with velcro

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to put it on your dashboard?

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Dave Jones: It does not. It
comes with a little sand, oh,

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and a suction cup. Perhaps it's
not a suck it's not a sucky

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stand. It's, it's the it's a,
like a, I don't know, I forgot

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what. It's some kind of other
stand. It's not the sucky one.

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Like,

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Adam Curry: well, how does this,
how does it stay stable in your

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car?

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Dave Jones: Oh, wait, I was
wrong. It is the sucky stand

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that I

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Adam Curry: thought it was new.
Show title, sucky stand.

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Dave Jones: This stand sucks No,
it doesn't.

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Adam Curry: It's just, what are
you doing?

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Dave Jones: I'm putting it back
together. I'd put it all out of

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the total out of the box so I
can put it back together. This

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says it has wireless CarPlay,
Android Auto, screen mirroring,

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car stereo with backup camera.

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Adam Curry: Is it also a
dashboard cam? It

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Dave Jones: says no installation
fees.

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Adam Curry: I think that's your
VMI podcasting, 2.0 no

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installation fees needed,

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Dave Jones: yeah, free
estimates.

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Adam Curry: Your insurance will
pay for it.

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Dave Jones: Yeah. So I've got
this thing in here. And then

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there's also, there's also this
my Android phone that I bought

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off, you know, to have a test
thing with. I've got commentary,

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by the way, on it, on PWAs, yes,

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Adam Curry: and maybe I'll talk
about that right now. But maybe

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I should say that what is
happening here, what is

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happening here is Dave and I
have been working on this

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project for a couple months now,
and it's starting to ramp up,

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and we're so in it that when and
I was getting ready to start the

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board meeting like I only want
to talk about our stuff,

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honestly, my head's so full.
There's some things we can we

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can totally discuss without, you
know, because it's just not

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unclothed yet, and there's a
whole bunch of people who need

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to be informed about it, but we
can certainly talk about some

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things and what we've learned. I
Well, here's something I learned

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on iPhones, which I do not
possess, P, W, A's work on Car

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Play that they Yes, they do. I
had no idea that they worked on

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CarPlay.

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Dave Jones: So it. Yes, I guess
we'll, I guess we'll talk about

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it. So the I'm trying to find
the link to this thing that I

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bought, so I could put it in the
board room. There it is. Okay, I

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got it now. Yeah, so the car,
there's a, there's a PWA aspect

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to this thing we're making. And
there it is. There's a, there's

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a PWA component to this thing.
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we obviously you want, you want
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playing, to be able to show on
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and all these things, um, you
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image, the album art, and all
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um, even though it's not the
main thrust of what we're doing,

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we've got this, this PWA thing
as a, as a, as a fallback

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component. So the, you know,
there's a, there's a thing that

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enables this, called the media
session. The media session API,

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and a all apps have access to
this through native APIs or

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through there's a web API for
it. It's just called media

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session. So you can check and if
Media Session exists as an

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object in in the in the the DOM,
then you can add your metadata

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to that, and then it will then,
then globally, the OS will see

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that that media session and be
able to know what to display for

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things like a Now Playing
screen. So from any app or web

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session you can, you can just
add this metadata to the media

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session, and then the OS can
pick it up. This. This is, it's

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an open standard, you know,
widely, widely supported. I

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mean, literally, every platform
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media session, AP, except
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Android Auto, except Android
Auto, stupid,

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Adam Curry: Google. Yeah,

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Dave Jones: so the so and the
Android apps. You can set it and

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it works on the lock screen,
yeah? But as soon as you push to

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Android Auto, it just nothing
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Adam Curry: doesn't, doesn't,
doesn't exist, yeah, yeah.

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Dave Jones: CarPlay has, CarPlay
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screen. So if there's media
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doesn't matter where, where it's
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from? Yeah, yeah, you can it'll,
it'll just have now playing sort

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of like a default home screen
that you did you land on right

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and or a widget.

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Adam Curry: We have no controls.
No, you

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Dave Jones: have controls. Yeah,
you have controls too. No, it

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looks beautiful. It looks just
like your phone lock screen just

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on your car, huh? But Android
Auto has no equivalent of this.

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Yeah, it only understands apps,
and if the app doesn't, if the

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if the app is not published
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Play Store, and have all the and
have like the, we call it the

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like permissions, or, yeah,
whatever manifest, or whatever

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for for enabling Android Auto,
it just doesn't show up. You

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can't even launch it. It's like,
it doesn't exist. You can hear

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the audio, but you can't see
anything else. This is a huge

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this is a weird thing to me,
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thought, okay, CarPlay is going
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working, because this is an open
standard. So obviously Android,

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exactly

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Adam Curry: Apple, would be the
hardest guys ever. But no, it's

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actually quite, quite easy.
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Dave Jones: we got, we got, we
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Android's been the pain in the
butt. So I don't know if this so

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that's what I discovered. If
anybody I believe me, I have

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Googled every permutation of
this that I can possibly imagine

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and come back with zero answers.
So and I even went so far as to

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put, uh, put the Android Auto
interface on the phone into what

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they call un or developer mode,
where you can, where you can,

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quote, unquote, enable unknown
Apps,

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Adam Curry: extra features that
are not the undocumented

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features.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, advanced, you
know, advanced, otherwise known

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as normal mode. Yes. And I
enabled this thing, and it still

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doesn't work. So that's
horrible. If anybody has some

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some work around some top secret
juice, tell me, hmm, I would

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love to know about it, by the
way, true fans, speaking of PWA,

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is true fans enabled offline
playback. I would love to know

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how they did that, because that
sounds super hard and as a PWA,

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now that I've had a little bit
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I've got mad respect for what
true fans is doing as a PWA. The

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performance is excellent. It
like it. It operates top notch

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as a as a PWA, and that is hard
to do because, especially on the

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iPhone, because the iPhones PWA
support is spotty to begin with,

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and it all, and it tends to get
bogged down. Yeah, in some Have

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you noticed this?

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Adam Curry: I can't notice that
because I've removed apple from

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my life.

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Dave Jones: No, yeah. Well, you,
I will, I will notice it for

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you. It tends to get bogged
down, so that sometimes, like

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tapping and moving things just
doesn't work and you have to

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reload the kill the app and
reload it. But true fans seems

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very immune to this, and so
kudos is all I can say. Now,

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Adam Curry: are they still
working on native apps. I mean,

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I know that Sam Sethi threatened
it, but I don't know if he

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actually started on it or not.

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Dave Jones: I haven't heard any
update on it. I don't know. Let

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me check my email see if you
send an email

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Adam Curry: the true fans update
of the week, which includes

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inline images and and headers
and subtitles is always a it's

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an interesting read, but I do
have to sit down and take my

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time to go through it. You

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Dave Jones: need a cup of
coffee. Yeah, you do. I don't

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see anything in here about the
native apps in his latest

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update. I love these updates, by
the way. Yeah,

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Adam Curry: I wish everyone
update like that,

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Dave Jones: straight up. Me too,
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Adam Curry: I need more to do
during the day. A lot more.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, that's anyway,
so that's, that's the that's the

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latest in my adventures in PWA
land. Well, yeah, it'll be,

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it'll be fun to talk about
things in the open. Because I

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think it's like, I think what
we're doing fits in so nicely to

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everything with podcasting and
podcasting to Dotto, I think it

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just, I think we're just kind of
slotting this thing into a lot

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of open spaces. That's what it
feels like. What

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Adam Curry: I've been so part of
what I've been doing for this

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project as I've been
experimenting with live which

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has been really, it's been so
good to do that again, and

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especially since you can put a
live item into your RSS feed,

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what a genius move that was. And
and when I look back and I have

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to keep reminding myself, we've
been doing this for 15 years.

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You know, doing the podcast like
no agenda, doing the podcast

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live. We've got the, I mean, for
I know that we haven't quite,

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ever really finalized the the
chat part of the of the live

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tag, although it's there, you
know, there was never really a

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consensus on as far as I know. I
mean, I think curry caster, no,

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we got cat. Chat tag exists, but
chat tag exists, but no one's

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really implemented the chat, oh,
except for curio caster, I think

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has a web frame that that brings
up. Maybe it's Kiwi IRC or

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something like that. Because
IRC, for some reason, just seems

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to be the most rock solid, the
most developments done on it for

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the chat. And it's it's really
amazing. I mean, you look at the

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boost bot, you look at the
integration of split kit and and

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the live web socket. So the
minute I play something, the

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title, the metadata, gets
shuttled through from my playout

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system into the I mean, IRC is
just where all the development

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has taken place. And by the way,
these are, you know, these are

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GitHub available features like
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curry level. So for me, it's
like, can I install it on my

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start nine with one click? If
not, okay, it's gonna be

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painful. So boost spot, you
know, the heli, the helipad

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stuff is just phenomenal, and it
works so well. When you just do

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a live podcast, you know, you
just say, Okay, we're going to

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start. We hit record. You do the
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like the live stream, the no
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we click in. I'm futzing around
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play songs, and it has this 24
hour stream has such a nice

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appeal. Then, when, when there's
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it automatically falls back to a
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scheduled podcast. And, you
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enjoying messing around with
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back into it. I mean, I've been
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I've been doing Ray. CEO stuff
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the way back to, gosh, what were
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early shout cast and ice casts
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formats and doing stuff like
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music, you know, it's like you
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value, not all, but many of the
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let you stream value for value
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always a little scary. You know,
for people to go, to actually go

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live, like Oy steenberger, that
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he's flying without a wingsuit.
He's flying. He just flapping

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his arms. He comes on. He just
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fantastic. I love it. I love
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it's just, it's, it's, it's
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that's because I've been doing
boosted grand ball again, it's

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every 14 days, but, you know, at
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Wednesday, every 14 days, 1pm I
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interaction, you know, it's,
it's one thing to do a music

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show, but when you have the
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the chat room scrolling by. It's
just great. You know, you feel,

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you feel like you're doing so
same with the boardroom. Just

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feel like something is
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almost automatic. And then when
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podcast, it doesn't irritate me
that, oh, you know, there's the

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guys talking to people in the
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the troll room, you know, fill
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it. In fact, if anything, it
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is what has always been the
that's how I was taught with

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making shows you you want to
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should be there. I got to be
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that thing. Whether I didn't
want to like they don't want to

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miss it, yeah, yeah. Like you
want to be there in person, or

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you want, you know, or, of
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at least you know, with with all
these protocols we have, you can

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be there by remote. It's there
is something so big happening in

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this type of format. We just
haven't really pulled it all

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together yet, and part of that
is the hosting companies. Of

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course, we have pod home and RSS
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other I'm sure, I'm sure
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podcasting, this really goes
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had no gear. You had no gear. So
it was very hard even, I mean,

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there must have been eight years
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set up a mix, minus to have, you
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know, and not have them hear
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whatever we were using in the
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of since we didn't have live
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of it comes out of the box.
There's other ones now as well,

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but we were using gear for
musicians, and it just really

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wasn't appropriate for for a
live type of program. And so we

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defaulted back to editing. And
this after the fat post, yeah,

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post. And so we've got, we have
an entire industry which now

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includes AI to chop out your ers
and your UMS. And instead of

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honing your skills and getting
better at what you're actually

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saying at the moment, you're
saying it. And we have an entire

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category of Podcast Producer,
oh, I'm a podcast editor. You

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know, which, which is filled up.
And of course, now a lot of them

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are sadly find themselves out of
a job as the as the budgets are

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being cut everywhere.

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Dave Jones: I've been listening
to your live stream and to your

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test stream, you know, for a few
days now, and it's just, it's

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great. I love it. Thank you. I
love it the like, just the the

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mix of various things that that
that come on. It's like, it's

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amateur, it's amateur radio, but
done by a professional. If that

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Adam Curry: any sense, like, I
know how to do it. I just can't

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quite get there yet.

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Dave Jones: It's like, you know,
you you know, yeah, you know how

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to do it, and you're tinkering
with, yeah, yeah. It's like,

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you're tinkering with it to get
it to be what the thing your

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vision is. And it's fun. It's
fun to watch. Like, I think that

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it's, yeah, yeah. I'm

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Adam Curry: learning a lot. I'm
learning a lot. And it's

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basically, I think, three I
can't even get my wife to listen

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to it yet.

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Dave Jones: Oh, really. I think
it's awesome. It's great.

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Adam Curry: I love it. She
actually said this morning, now,

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how do I do that? How do I how
do I find this thing? So, who

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knows? You know, I've learned,
you know, if you push people

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will never do it. And yeah, by
the way, my family barely

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listens to any of my podcasts.
You know, Tina listens to Noah.

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J. And she never listens to
this. Of course, you just nerds.

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Just some nerd I know. Did you
do your nerd show? George? Did

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you do your nerd show? Yet? Her
own podcast that we do, curry

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and the keeper, I'll show.
Listen to that

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Dave Jones: for a second time
after doing,

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Adam Curry: oh yeah. She's like,
You never listen to the show. I

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was there when I did it. What
are you talking about? I know. I

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know it was good.

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Dave Jones: I don't have time to
listen to this show for a

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second. Well,

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Adam Curry: sometimes right
after, right after the show,

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I'll take the dog for a walk,
and I will listen to it while

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I'm on the walk, you know, just
to I always am sampling stuff,

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you know, just to make sure the
sound is good, the interaction

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is good. You know, that kind of

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Dave Jones: stuff. I've listened
to this show maybe six or seven

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times when I when I was like, I
was worried that I didn't like

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that I was confusing, or that
didn't or I said something

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wrong. And I'm like, did I say
that? Right now, I'll go back

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and listen to see, like, right
did I make a mistake? But like

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otherwise, man, I don't have to

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Adam Curry: realize well, and
all, all props to Dr Scott. I

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love the chapter work that he
does on every single project I'm

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involved in, and he does it for
many other people. I appreciate

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it so much, because I can go,
Hey, what were we talking about?

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And just go in, click, hit the
hit the chapter. And I'm always

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delighted when I see all the
different images that he's

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chosen for stuff, because, you
know, there's, there's a lot of

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easter eggs and funny stuff in
in drebs chapters. And of

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course, he gets a split of every
project that I do for that, so

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he feels appreciated. He gets
value for the value he's

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providing, and that part of the
system works.

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Dave Jones: I just realized that
I didn't put true fans on this

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Android phone. Oh, and I need to
test it to see if they've

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somehow gotten some kind of
juice. Wouldn't

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Adam Curry: surprise me, if
anyone's figured it out, it's

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it's the true fans crew. Oh
yeah. True fans crew, sounds

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like two Live Crew does? Live
Crew, two fans. Crew, yeah, kind

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of good. Just before we started,
I saw that David from hyper

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catcher, which, of course, yeah,
what have you seen? This

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Dave Jones: came back in with a
vengeance. He sees me doing some

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coding.

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Adam Curry: What exactly does
this do? It says podcast

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mentions, right? Set keyword
alerts for your favorite

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podcasts and get notified when
they are mentioned.

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Dave Jones: Yeah. I mean, it
sounds to me like a a way to to,

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like, find topics mentioned in
podcasts that you're interested

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in. Like to get an alert.

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Adam Curry: Let me see. So get
started. Get started. Okay, for

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free, for free, sign in with
Google. Okay, nope. I like, I

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like the logo, though, but I
like his, his hyper gum logo.

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I'll sign in with Google to
free. So I think what he's

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doing, choosing, oh, so, okay,
so it costs my AI powered

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analytics. Ai powered analytics
basic support, five projects

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limit access to basic AI tools.
See what does this do? So if you

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so you brand alerts. There's a
lot going on here.

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Dave Jones: I'm signing in with
Google. I'm about to tell you

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what it does. Okay, let's see. I

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Adam Curry: mean, look, I like
the idea for sure.

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Dave Jones: Oh, check your mode.
What?

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Adam Curry: Oh, you gotta check
your email for a code.

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Dave Jones: Well, it's it's
this. Now it's sending stuff to

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my Android phone. This is gonna
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Adam Curry: a problem. So the
keyword alerts for your favorite

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podcast get notified when they
are mentioned. So how is he

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checking all podcasts for
mentions? That's gotta be quite

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the quite the job.

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Dave Jones: I think he said he's
not okay. I think he's somehow

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he's doing it a different way.
No, okay, so I logged in. It

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says Search Credits Remaining
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So I click Search groups, search
podcasts. Okay, podcasting. It

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Out of maybe, search, um, no, I
didn't do anything. Okay, I

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don't know what this is. I liked
your search group name.

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Adam Curry: I like hyper gum. I
like the idea. I like the logo.

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It's a piece of gum, basically
like, like a gummy the hyper Oh

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Dave Jones: okay, here it is. So
I searched pod news. Pod news

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weekly review. So I'm gonna put
that. Oh, okay, so you pod News

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Daily. Uh, no agenda. Let me
search for that so you can build

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a group of podcasts, which is
what I'm doing, a search group

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named Dave's stuff. Enter a
search term. Okay, Dave, all

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right, so I'll search for
myself.

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Adam Curry: I think that's
that's illegal in Alabama, isn't

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Dave Jones: it? What it says you
have insufficient search

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credits. You

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Adam Curry: got no credit, right
for more credit. Give me credit.

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Man, just give me credit. Give
me some credit. Give me some

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credit. Man, I need a credit. I
need a credit. Man, please give

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me some credits.

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Dave Jones: But I see what it
does, but I don't have any

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credits.

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Adam Curry: Okay, well, maybe
we'll have David on soon. Dave

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Norman on, well, he can explain
what I do. Yeah, bring him on

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the show in the board, in my
book, yes, in your black book.

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So I've identified, uh,
something that's presenting to

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be a problem. No, no, yeah, you
may have seen some of these

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emails go back and forth, so
apparently, there are some

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nefarious actors who are
duplicating RSS feeds and and

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then monetizing those by
claiming those feeds. Since,

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since their duplicate feed has
their own email address in it,

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they're duplicating it through
various ways in order to get

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value blocks into the database
for feeds that are not theirs.

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And I've had three or maybe five
instances of this happening,

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Dave Jones: and is it all coming
from the same people?

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Adam Curry: No, it doesn't
appear to be coming from the

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same people. It's not
widespread, but it's, it's like

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one of those things, like, ah.
So you know, what typically

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happens is, you know, you search
for something, you see there's

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three different feet, three
different versions of a podcast.

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course, an a cast feed. And that

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a cast feed will have a
different email address in it.

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And then they claim that, either
through podcasts or wallet or, I

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think probably the easiest way
they're doing it is through

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fountain, which is not, you
know, Oscar and I have been in

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touch. Now, in some cases,
people think that that's

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happened, but someone else on
the team did it, you know. So

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00:27:10,860 --> 00:27:15,540
there's some, there's some
discrepancy there, but it is

431
00:27:15,540 --> 00:27:18,180
something we need to be on the
lookout for. So, you know, feed

432
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,640
feed dupes that have value
blocks is a bit of an issue.

433
00:27:24,140 --> 00:27:28,400
Dave Jones: We could put some
sort of some sort of alert in

434
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,760
where there's a if there's like
a title collision, a brand new

435
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,180
feed with a title collision that
has a value block. Maybe there

436
00:27:35,180 --> 00:27:39,860
Adam Curry: you go. Throw flag
on the play. Yeah, yellow card.

437
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,300
So the thing that that kind of
bugged me is vigilante TV

438
00:27:43,300 --> 00:27:44,560
appears to have done that.

439
00:27:45,820 --> 00:27:48,640
Dave Jones: Well, I thought they
were legit. Yes, what I thought,

440
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,040
Adam Curry: too. But someone
reached out to me and said, This

441
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,060
is not legit.

442
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,680
Dave Jones: Isn't that? The Hive
people? Aren't they a hive

443
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,240
group, I

444
00:27:58,300 --> 00:28:00,780
Adam Curry: don't know. Let me
see if I can find the email for

445
00:28:00,780 --> 00:28:07,140
a second, because I was very
disappointed by that van t let

446
00:28:07,140 --> 00:28:19,860
me see lantee. Here we go. This
was Hello. I recently switched

447
00:28:19,860 --> 00:28:22,700
to a fully podcasting, 2.0
compliant act. I noticed

448
00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:25,280
something. Couple of podcasts I
listened to seem to have

449
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,860
lightning addresses listed for
donations, but never mentioned

450
00:28:27,860 --> 00:28:30,860
this or listed as a way to
support the show is able to

451
00:28:30,860 --> 00:28:34,460
confirm that one of them so far
never set this up and doesn't

452
00:28:34,460 --> 00:28:37,820
accept Bitcoin at all. Can you
imagine? Lol, so apparently

453
00:28:37,820 --> 00:28:41,560
someone is squatting on their
listing. And so I looked at

454
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:48,640
this, yeah, vigilante.tv had
basically taken this feed and

455
00:28:48,940 --> 00:28:52,240
added, I mean, and they do
interesting stuff, because they

456
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:57,580
add a whole bunch of 2.0
features. Alex

457
00:28:57,579 --> 00:28:59,799
Dave Jones: says that's a peer
tube instance that allows

458
00:28:59,859 --> 00:29:04,379
uploads of random videos to
comment on peer to. So this may

459
00:29:04,379 --> 00:29:09,719
be somebody that went in and
created a Rando using the

460
00:29:09,899 --> 00:29:14,279
vigilante TV service, in pure
tube instance, and created a

461
00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:17,219
channel of that name and is now
uploading the content just to

462
00:29:17,219 --> 00:29:18,779
get a feed in there. By

463
00:29:18,780 --> 00:29:21,140
Adam Curry: the way, shows have
anchor, not a cast anchor.

464
00:29:21,140 --> 00:29:21,740
Typically, I

465
00:29:21,740 --> 00:29:25,580
Dave Jones: knew what you meant.
Yeah, right. So this, this, this

466
00:29:25,580 --> 00:29:28,340
may not be that this, this is
probably not the vigilante TV

467
00:29:28,340 --> 00:29:29,960
people themselves. This

468
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,380
Adam Curry: is people. Oh, okay,
all right.

469
00:29:34,580 --> 00:29:37,520
Dave Jones: We should probably,
you know, I should probably, I

470
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,480
just sent myself a note so I
could remember to put in a

471
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,080
couple of alerts in here. Okay,
yeah, well, I'll start watching

472
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,620
for that, because that's not
cool now, bastards.

473
00:29:51,700 --> 00:29:56,200
Yeah, by the way, Franco
responded my four I forwarded

474
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,340
him that that,

475
00:29:57,879 --> 00:30:02,159
Adam Curry: yeah. What did. You
say extortion letter, yeah.

476
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,040
Dave Jones: He says it looks
very scammy to me. On their

477
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,780
website, they mention as a pod,
as their partner is the Italian

478
00:30:09,780 --> 00:30:14,520
podcasting Association. The
President Giulio guadino

479
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,520
guardiano is a friend of mine
and a good supporter of open

480
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,860
podcasting. Let me check with
him and report back to you.

481
00:30:19,860 --> 00:30:21,260
Okay, yeah. So be thinking,
Well,

482
00:30:21,260 --> 00:30:23,660
Adam Curry: I mean, so this
literally went to my spam

483
00:30:23,660 --> 00:30:29,900
folder. And not much goes to my
spam folder, yeah, let me see it

484
00:30:29,900 --> 00:30:36,380
was. Who were these Jim oaks?
What was their name? Again?

485
00:30:37,580 --> 00:30:43,000
Dave Jones: License sync, lice.
License sync, yes, like all one

486
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:43,420
word like

487
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:49,900
Adam Curry: Amazon licensing,
then dear podcast index team, we

488
00:30:49,900 --> 00:30:53,140
are writing to follow up on our
previous communications protocol

489
00:30:53,140 --> 00:30:58,120
number 14, slash 23 and 13 slash
24 which is meaningless. And of

490
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,840
course, 24 Oh, my God, of
course, I don't know what

491
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,440
protocol they're talking about,
dated in 2023 in August 2024

492
00:31:05,580 --> 00:31:08,340
regarding the request for the
subscription and settlement of

493
00:31:08,340 --> 00:31:11,580
the streaming and download
license for the Italian Italian

494
00:31:11,580 --> 00:31:15,180
cmo licensing administered
podcast repertoire, distributed

495
00:31:15,180 --> 00:31:20,360
via your platform, github.com,
comma, podcast index.org, like,

496
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:21,260
okay, yeah,

497
00:31:21,620 --> 00:31:23,660
Dave Jones: it's basically, and
then they attach an invoice for

498
00:31:23,660 --> 00:31:32,840
$7,000 yeah, come compliant, you
know, yeah, yeah.

499
00:31:32,899 --> 00:31:36,499
Adam Curry: The fact that it
went to my spam is probably

500
00:31:36,499 --> 00:31:39,859
because somebody marked it as
such somewhere along the line.

501
00:31:40,580 --> 00:31:42,880
Dave Jones: It's like things
like this. It's like, well, you

502
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:47,200
know, this is, this is obviously
bull crap. But then you you

503
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,140
always have to wonder, okay, is
it enough to just tell them to

504
00:31:50,140 --> 00:31:52,300
go away, or is it, or do we have
to actually get a lawyer to

505
00:31:52,300 --> 00:31:54,040
draft a threatening letter?
Well,

506
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,340
Adam Curry: we have some, yeah,
we have some lawyers who'd be

507
00:31:57,340 --> 00:31:58,960
happy to draft a threatening
letter.

508
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,860
Dave Jones: Yes, I'm like that.
That's the only problem with

509
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,200
stuff like this, is you're like,
come on, you know?

510
00:32:05,580 --> 00:32:08,280
Adam Curry: Oh, well, it's what
it is. It

511
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,340
Dave Jones: is, I have a note.
James has had to fight this

512
00:32:11,340 --> 00:32:11,820
battle. He's

513
00:32:11,820 --> 00:32:14,040
Adam Curry: had several things
like this happen to him, right?

514
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:14,640
Yeah,

515
00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:17,160
Dave Jones: yeah. One, one guy,
I think, got pretty nasty before

516
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,420
they finally quit. Yeah,

517
00:32:18,780 --> 00:32:24,800
Adam Curry: yeah. He's like, Oh,
you're using this or that. So I

518
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,340
did get a note from salty
crayon. I hate to do this to

519
00:32:28,340 --> 00:32:31,520
you, but we should probably just
go through it succinctly,

520
00:32:32,660 --> 00:32:35,420
percentages versus shares in

521
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,440
Dave Jones: block splits, no,
no. You want to push it off

522
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,160
again. What like, what,

523
00:32:42,700 --> 00:32:45,520
Adam Curry: I don't know,
percent. We just, can

524
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,360
Dave Jones: somebody just look,
find the old, the old time that

525
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,440
we talked about it? We can just
lay late, like the chapter and

526
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:54,340
episode number. It's

527
00:32:55,900 --> 00:32:59,920
Adam Curry: probably a good
idea. I think sir Dean Anonymous

528
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:06,720
is, is is doing a Bing? It.io
for for podcasting 2.0 which

529
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,800
actually is not, it's clip
genie.com Yeah, I think so.

530
00:33:11,340 --> 00:33:13,920
Dave Jones: Clip genie.com was a
product that,

531
00:33:13,980 --> 00:33:16,980
Adam Curry: yeah, no, it's a
product, yes.

532
00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:19,920
Dave Jones: But is that what
powers being? It not? Yes,

533
00:33:19,980 --> 00:33:22,520
Adam Curry: yeah. Thank you.
Clip powered by clip Genie,

534
00:33:24,020 --> 00:33:29,480
exactly. So that would be, and
what is this? Stephen B had a,

535
00:33:29,540 --> 00:33:35,120
what was that transcripts? She
had a transcript search. Well,

536
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,900
there's steno.fm, steno.fm,

537
00:33:41,660 --> 00:33:42,760
Dave Jones: um, am

538
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,500
Adam Curry: okay. Well, here you
go, podcasting 2.0 All right,

539
00:33:48,100 --> 00:33:52,300
lot of broken images on that
page. Okay, so splits. I'll just

540
00:33:52,300 --> 00:33:54,100
do search splits. Let's see
what?

541
00:33:54,099 --> 00:33:55,899
Dave Jones: Oh, Lord, that's
gonna come back with a billion

542
00:33:55,899 --> 00:34:00,719
results. No, maybe episode 149,
scrape my JSON. Is that it? No,

543
00:34:00,719 --> 00:34:02,639
I just, I just thought that was
a cool title

544
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,360
Adam Curry: percentage, let me
say no,

545
00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:08,819
Dave Jones: what would be a term
that we would have used

546
00:34:08,819 --> 00:34:12,059
discussing that that would be
like rare pain,

547
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:16,260
Adam Curry: pain, pain, search
for pain. No episodes found with

548
00:34:16,260 --> 00:34:22,100
pain value. How about fees?
Maybe fees

549
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:29,120
Dave Jones: respect the splits.
Discuss this, splitting the tab,

550
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,440
splitting the tab, maybe that
might have 91 that seems awfully

551
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,940
long ago, but maybe

552
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:41,800
Adam Curry: split splitting the
tab. That's a standard.fm is

553
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,800
pretty as though it's now it's
searching for stuff. We'll find

554
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,320
it here. We'll find it, we'll
find it. We'll find it. We'll

555
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,660
put it out there for you. Salty
crayon. Yeah,

556
00:34:49,659 --> 00:34:52,239
Dave Jones: I mean, we, we
spent, like, literally, an hour

557
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,859
talking about it. Yeah, we did.
And when we lost half the half

558
00:34:56,859 --> 00:35:00,719
the border, they killed. They
never come back. They died. They

559
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:01,559
died. Yeah,

560
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,100
Adam Curry: all right, we want
to talk about

561
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:11,640
Dave Jones: brother. Let's see.
I've got, yeah, Daniel, I see

562
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,640
you trying to bait me in. I'm
not taking that bait. Stop it.

563
00:35:16,260 --> 00:35:18,000
Name. Let's see Alex.

564
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,720
Adam Curry: Well, Alex has worst
episode to date, to be honest.

565
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:24,440
Well, could you just give us the
episode number? If you remember,

566
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,720
it was the worst one. What was
the number?

567
00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:29,659
Dave Jones: Yeah, it stuck out
in your head. And must be the

568
00:35:29,659 --> 00:35:30,619
word you must know about.

569
00:35:30,620 --> 00:35:32,300
Adam Curry: That's the one.
That's the one we need.

570
00:35:34,100 --> 00:35:35,900
Dave Jones: Let's see that.
Well, I mean, you want to talk

571
00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:38,480
about the the L, 402, stuff that
Russell,

572
00:35:38,540 --> 00:35:41,440
Adam Curry: yeah, yeah. I'm
happy to see him working on

573
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:41,800
that.

574
00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:49,360
Dave Jones: Yeah. Um, so, so
Russell's trying to build

575
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:56,740
something around the idea of pay
Walling, uh, content. And he's

576
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,200
settled on on the 402 method,
the L 4o T,

577
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,200
Adam Curry: which I suggested as
the l sat. I suggested look at l

578
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,540
sat. And this is something
similar, but different.

579
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,620
Dave Jones: Same idea. Yeah. I
mean, with l sat, you you

580
00:36:10,620 --> 00:36:13,440
challenge with a you challenge
the API call with a 402

581
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,340
response. And for HTTP status,
402

582
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,340
Adam Curry: is authentication
required. It's a payment

583
00:36:22,340 --> 00:36:24,500
required. Payment required.
Okay, yeah.

584
00:36:26,060 --> 00:36:29,480
Dave Jones: So you, you respond.
So the idea is, you, you make a

585
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:34,280
call to an end point. So some
HTTP endpoint, that endpoint,

586
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,560
that endpoint responds with a
with a with a status code of

587
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:45,100
402, and then you you know that
you have to make a payment in

588
00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:47,140
order to retrieve the data from
that end

589
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,440
Adam Curry: point. So they
renamed it, l 402 l4 oh two.org.

590
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:51,760
Got it,

591
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,920
Dave Jones: yeah. L, which makes
a lot more sense than LSAT, to

592
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:04,440
be honest. So Alex says maybe
episode 146, the So, the, so,

593
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,280
the idea there is, is pretty
straightforward. You You know,

594
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,540
you would, you can conceptualize
this as you know, you would try

595
00:37:12,540 --> 00:37:19,560
to download a an episode of a
podcast, or an audio book, or

596
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,800
whatever this content is you
would try to download the

597
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:27,560
enclosure. The CDN would respond
with a 402 saying that you're

598
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,220
gonna have to pay for this to
get it. Then you would make some

599
00:37:31,220 --> 00:37:38,360
sort of payment, then request it
again with the payment proof,

600
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,200
and you get and you get the
content. Didn't

601
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,800
Adam Curry: Alex gates have
something already worked out

602
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,440
with this proof of payment
stuff? Yes,

603
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:54,040
Dave Jones: the JS the the JSON
payment token, JpT idea in that,

604
00:37:54,580 --> 00:37:57,940
and that's that work. That would
work perfectly fine in this, in

605
00:37:57,940 --> 00:38:03,120
this workflow, the issue he's
trying to do, yeah, the JpT and

606
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:09,060
the issue he's trying to do,
but, but Russell's trying to

607
00:38:09,060 --> 00:38:16,500
solve this for Fiat as well. The
the JpT is, it would work for

608
00:38:16,500 --> 00:38:20,100
Fiat, but it's not going to be
supported by like Apple and

609
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:30,260
Google and these Fiat payment
platforms, the So the issue here

610
00:38:30,260 --> 00:38:35,480
as described up until now in
this this is a discussion 670,

611
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:48,040
on the GitHub. Yay. Is the the
four, so the you, if you and I

612
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,680
heard James and Sam talk about
this on pod news weekly review

613
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:58,660
today, but they still missed the
big problem, which is, again, if

614
00:38:58,660 --> 00:39:05,280
you pay, using, if you, if you
pay in app for a digital

615
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:13,620
purchase, you must use in app
purchase, or now, very recently,

616
00:39:14,820 --> 00:39:18,600
you are allowed to kick out to a
third party payment platform.

617
00:39:19,740 --> 00:39:22,640
And I'm talking specifically
about Apple here. I don't know

618
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,760
if I don't know about Google, I
don't know. I've not heard of

619
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,360
them allowing this, but with
Apple, you're allowed to kick

620
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,680
out too. You're allowed to have
a link which will take you to a

621
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:38,300
third party payment platform,
but then you have to do your own

622
00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:43,420
bookkeeping, so you still owe
Apple 30% of that digital

623
00:39:43,420 --> 00:39:48,220
purchase, but you now have to
record it and track how much you

624
00:39:48,220 --> 00:39:50,920
owe and then send them a check.

625
00:39:52,780 --> 00:39:54,700
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's a
pretty big thing to miss.

626
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,740
Dave Jones: Well, it's, it's so
you can so the ideal solution

627
00:39:59,740 --> 00:40:03,360
and. This is what, and that's
the way that Russell is dealing

628
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,200
with this. Is he's saying, Okay,
I'll build a service that will

629
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:15,360
allow doing this with with a
third party link out but, and

630
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,240
then I'm gonna and then I will
do the book, build something

631
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:22,040
that does the bookkeeping, and
then there will be payments that

632
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,160
are processed out to various
parties at the end of the month.

633
00:40:25,700 --> 00:40:28,760
So, this is a, I mean, this is,
this is a, this is a payment

634
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,540
platform, bookkeeping service
that is centralized to pod to

635
00:40:32,540 --> 00:40:36,080
which there's, no, it's not a
problem, but, but as

636
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,360
Adam Curry: far as you'll have
to kick back the 30%

637
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,800
Dave Jones: Yeah, you got,
you've got, you've got, I mean,

638
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:46,300
you've got to, you've got to do
that. So the, you know, the the

639
00:40:46,300 --> 00:40:51,280
ideal issue is, if we really
would truly want to do this, if

640
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,180
we truly want to, and see, okay,
this is not, and, by the way,

641
00:40:55,180 --> 00:40:59,560
this is not how Spotify Open
Access works. Spotify open

642
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:04,740
access, which is what this is
all being compared to Spotify.

643
00:41:04,740 --> 00:41:09,600
Open Access works through going
and paying somewhere else for

644
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:14,400
content, something like through
Patreon, and then just making an

645
00:41:14,460 --> 00:41:17,880
OAuth connection back to that
thing you paid for so that you

646
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:22,700
can listen to it in Spotify.
Spotify the app is still not

647
00:41:22,700 --> 00:41:26,840
allowed to do a in app payment
flow that does not go through

648
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:27,380
it,

649
00:41:27,380 --> 00:41:29,480
Adam Curry: right? So you still
need the OAuth from the app

650
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,160
side, right? You're gonna

651
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,400
Dave Jones: have to go to a
website or some other party, pay

652
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,300
for the content, then link it to
Spotify through an OAuth

653
00:41:38,300 --> 00:41:42,820
handshake that so, but what
everybody wants is not that

654
00:41:44,500 --> 00:41:47,020
Adam Curry: I understand what we
want, but the rules of the of

655
00:41:47,020 --> 00:41:48,940
the app road are just different.

656
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,300
Dave Jones: They are and so, you
know what? What everybody wants

657
00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:55,900
is an in app payment flow where
it's just kind of like but, and

658
00:41:55,900 --> 00:42:01,860
you're done, and that's so, but
in order to so the only way that

659
00:42:01,860 --> 00:42:09,600
I can imagine that that works is
in a seamless way. Is if the RSS

660
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:16,380
feed returns a 402 and a 402 can
include a response body, some

661
00:42:16,380 --> 00:42:21,020
some HTTP statuses. The spec
says that they don't that

662
00:42:21,020 --> 00:42:25,100
they're just a status code. They
don't have a body. The 402 can

663
00:42:25,100 --> 00:42:34,520
have a body. So if we can return
the body, the 402 body with in

664
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:42,100
app purchase specifics about how
to do it. Okay, so here's this

665
00:42:42,100 --> 00:42:44,260
for Apple, this for Google,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

666
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:49,180
Okay, so you'd have maybe a,
maybe return a JSON object that

667
00:42:49,180 --> 00:42:53,440
includes Apple Pay or in app,
Apple in app information, Google

668
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,280
Pay in app information, and then
lightning and something else.

669
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,980
Adam Curry: That point isn't
easy just to build in the Apple

670
00:42:59,980 --> 00:43:06,300
Pay and Google Pay. SDK, I mean,
you're going to pay for it

671
00:43:06,300 --> 00:43:09,780
anyway. You're going to pay the
30% anyway. That's

672
00:43:09,780 --> 00:43:12,360
Dave Jones: what I'm saying. If
that's exactly what you just

673
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,780
read my you're Yes, that's what
I'm saying. If you have, if

674
00:43:15,780 --> 00:43:21,920
you're having to do all this and
still pay 30% then it's better

675
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,460
to just have it as an in app
purchase. Yeah, and don't and

676
00:43:25,460 --> 00:43:27,800
forget all the bookkeeping and
record keeping and all that

677
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:33,620
stuff. So if we could return
something that has, uh, every

678
00:43:33,620 --> 00:43:38,060
possible payment method in it,
and then the apps can choose

679
00:43:38,060 --> 00:43:44,860
what they support. So if, if
cast O Matic tries to play an

680
00:43:44,860 --> 00:43:47,860
enclosed download an enclosure,
and it gets a 402 back, it can

681
00:43:48,340 --> 00:43:51,880
throw up a message to the user
saying, you know, we only

682
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,720
support Apple Pay, because
that's their restriction that

683
00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:58,420
they're have, that they have to
abide by on as being an app in

684
00:43:58,420 --> 00:44:01,560
the App Store. So we only
here's, here's your what do you

685
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,800
hear? Here you go in app,
purchase so, and you would tap

686
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,760
it, do your thing, and go, Okay,
that that doesn't affect value

687
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,060
for value at all, because V for
V is, is a separate flow, right?

688
00:44:12,780 --> 00:44:18,780
You know you, you can't. So what
I'm you know that to me, that's

689
00:44:18,780 --> 00:44:23,840
the way forward here is we need
to in we need to the feed needs

690
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:30,320
to provide, excuse me, the 402,
needs to provide back the

691
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:35,060
information needed in order to
make payment right. And it could

692
00:44:35,060 --> 00:44:42,880
even, it could even make, you
know, send back to payment like

693
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,360
a here's a payment for the
content, and then here's a

694
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:52,120
payment for going to the app.
So, like, there would be some

695
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,540
percentage of payment going to
the app. So the decisions, you

696
00:44:55,540 --> 00:44:58,840
said the app could pay itself,
or something like that as a sort

697
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:05,520
of kind of pseudo split. It. So
anyway, that's okay. Do you see?

698
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,700
Adam Curry: Yeah, no, I'm with
you. It seems like a lot of work

699
00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:11,040
for something that you could do
in a different manner. What

700
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,279
Dave Jones: is and that's the
problem with the app stores.

701
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,040
Adam Curry: So we need more
lawyers,

702
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:23,540
Dave Jones: because, because if,
if James is, you know, James is

703
00:45:23,540 --> 00:45:26,960
saying, Well, you could do all
this with stripe, but you can't.

704
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,380
It's, and this is what we talked
about last week. It's, this is

705
00:45:30,380 --> 00:45:33,800
not a tech problem. This is a
politics problem, right? And,

706
00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:40,240
well, let me take that back. You
can, but it's, it's, it's

707
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:44,380
intense, apples, apples,
policies are intentionally

708
00:45:44,380 --> 00:45:49,660
difficult, so that nobody will
do it right. You're now, you're

709
00:45:49,660 --> 00:45:55,900
now by by law or not law, but by
by by policy, you are

710
00:45:55,900 --> 00:46:02,640
technically allowed. But who's
gonna do all that? Right? And,

711
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,660
and, and Russell's saying, Well,
I volunteer. I'll, I'll do it,

712
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:11,580
but then it's centralized around
pod two. But, you know, I mean,

713
00:46:12,780 --> 00:46:17,640
if we, if we can make it just an
in app purchase, then just in

714
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,140
that purchase, it just works. It
just works. Yeah, okay. The

715
00:46:21,140 --> 00:46:23,540
problem is, I just don't know
how to do that. No, like, I

716
00:46:23,540 --> 00:46:25,940
don't know what information is
required to make an in app

717
00:46:25,940 --> 00:46:28,520
purchase. In that way, somebody
who's got a lot of Apple app

718
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,140
experience would need to tell
us. I don't

719
00:46:30,140 --> 00:46:35,780
Adam Curry: think we need to go
much further than we need to

720
00:46:35,780 --> 00:46:37,220
spend time on other things.

721
00:46:38,179 --> 00:46:41,979
Dave Jones: I don't mind. I love
the idea. I love the idea of

722
00:46:41,979 --> 00:46:46,779
enabling this, because you think
about it, you could give back.

723
00:46:47,379 --> 00:46:53,259
You could give back if you're
returning a payment, an object,

724
00:46:53,799 --> 00:46:56,919
if you're returning a JSON
object with various options for

725
00:46:56,919 --> 00:47:01,259
payment. One of them could be
bolt 11, and you could make your

726
00:47:01,259 --> 00:47:05,099
payment and enable content of
the content download, right? But

727
00:47:05,100 --> 00:47:08,220
Adam Curry: you still need to
keep your books and pay 30% to

728
00:47:08,220 --> 00:47:08,640
Apple.

729
00:47:09,180 --> 00:47:11,640
Dave Jones: No, I'm talking to
so, no, I'm talking about like,

730
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:18,420
I'm talking about so things off
platform. So I'm saying like, if

731
00:47:18,420 --> 00:47:22,820
you, if you always return all
your options. Then the the app

732
00:47:22,820 --> 00:47:26,360
can choose the specifics that
are best for it. So then it can

733
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,900
say, Okay, well, I'm an Apple
app. I have to use Apple in app.

734
00:47:29,900 --> 00:47:33,680
Purchase. I'm an Android app. I
have to use Google and purchase.

735
00:47:33,740 --> 00:47:38,360
I gotcha, I'm curio caster. I
can use lightning, right, right,

736
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,920
right. So I'm going to choose
both, both 11 or I'm fountains

737
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,700
website, I'll use bolt 11, or
I'm true fans, right?

738
00:47:45,820 --> 00:47:48,580
Adam Curry: It becomes a lot
easier when you're not an app,

739
00:47:49,300 --> 00:47:49,780
right,

740
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,740
Dave Jones: right? Yeah, yes.
Nathan says Spotify is getting

741
00:47:53,740 --> 00:47:56,920
around this by never mentioning
or leak linking how to pay for

742
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,920
open access shows, yes, it's
exactly right, right?

743
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:02,460
Adam Curry: You don't do that in
the in the in the in the content

744
00:48:02,460 --> 00:48:03,060
itself,

745
00:48:04,260 --> 00:48:09,720
Dave Jones: right? And they
don't take a cut the the that's

746
00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:15,120
part of the rules in the App
Store policies. Up until

747
00:48:15,180 --> 00:48:17,340
recently, you were not allowed
to even

748
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:26,600
Adam Curry: Whoa. Boost. Thanks.
Tim F received what he's got

749
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,900
three boobs. It's a three. Boom,
boost. Oh my.

750
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:35,240
Dave Jones: Up until recently,
you were not allowed to even say

751
00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:38,420
in the app that there was an
alternative payment method.

752
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:38,900
Yeah,

753
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,900
Adam Curry: this is so lame.
Yep, and

754
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,140
Dave Jones: I want to do this. I
want to make it happen, but we

755
00:48:47,140 --> 00:48:49,600
got to do it in a way that makes
sense. You need to

756
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,460
Adam Curry: do that on your own
time, Dave, because I'm falling

757
00:48:51,460 --> 00:48:52,000
asleep.

758
00:48:52,540 --> 00:48:52,960
Dave Jones: Okay,

759
00:48:54,100 --> 00:48:56,080
Unknown: move on. Phase eight.

760
00:48:56,380 --> 00:48:57,820
Dave Jones: What you got? Big
man. Hey,

761
00:48:57,819 --> 00:49:00,179
Adam Curry: listen, big man, I
got phase eight. I see that

762
00:49:00,179 --> 00:49:06,059
you're you got a plan. You got a
plan for phase eight. Can we

763
00:49:06,359 --> 00:49:10,499
want to hit the hit the hot name
space for a minute here. Just do

764
00:49:10,499 --> 00:49:12,899
a little bit of a little bit of
hot name space.

765
00:49:13,380 --> 00:49:16,620
Unknown: Please hit it all
right. Hello, Jennifer, and now

766
00:49:16,620 --> 00:49:21,380
it's time for some hot name
space talk. Yes.

767
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:28,640
Adam Curry: I'm awake now. Hot
name space, hot.

768
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,280
Dave Jones: You really, you
really dug out that? Yes,

769
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:35,060
because it

770
00:49:35,060 --> 00:49:40,160
Adam Curry: was real. Man, yeah,
I like me some hot name space

771
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:41,980
talk on a Friday.

772
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:43,900
Unknown: Dig it out. Digging it

773
00:49:43,900 --> 00:49:44,620
out.

774
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,500
Dave Jones: Yeah. So James,
location tag changes,

775
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,260
Adam Curry: yeah, this is good.
This is, I mean, he fought it

776
00:49:53,260 --> 00:49:57,340
for years, and now he's
relented. He's given in. He's

777
00:49:57,340 --> 00:49:59,920
given in to optional ways to use
the tag.

778
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:05,520
Dave Jones: Okay, he's melted
into the void. Yes, so here's

779
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:10,800
what, here's what I'm thinking
for phase eight. These. I think

780
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:17,100
these should be fairly
straightforward. He said James's

781
00:50:17,100 --> 00:50:21,140
location tag changes consist of
the following, and these are

782
00:50:21,140 --> 00:50:24,680
enhancements to the existing
location tag. Change to location

783
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:28,220
tag. He wants to add a rail
attribute. So that's like short

784
00:50:28,220 --> 00:50:31,580
for relationship, a rail
attribute to say, Okay, this

785
00:50:31,580 --> 00:50:35,600
location is what is it telling
me? Is it telling me this thing

786
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:40,100
is about the location, or this
is where the podcast is made,

787
00:50:40,580 --> 00:50:45,100
Adam Curry: right? This was the
big question, yeah, yep,

788
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,160
Dave Jones: yep, and I'm and
then he's got another, another

789
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,960
proposal, where he's sort of pre
calculating the, what you might

790
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:58,600
call the the relevance of the
location, so that you don't have

791
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:04,800
to so that makes it easier for
the apps to ingest it. So this,

792
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,400
it's already got all this sort
of like relevance data about,

793
00:51:09,420 --> 00:51:12,540
you know, these things are in
this location or around this

794
00:51:12,540 --> 00:51:16,860
area, and then, and then the
last change is just having

795
00:51:16,860 --> 00:51:20,480
multiple allowing multiple
locations per episode, okay? So,

796
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:26,600
you know, you could imagine if
maybe an episode is about, you

797
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:32,960
know, the Eiffel Tower and the,
what's that? What's that real

798
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:38,780
polluted river? Which one the
sand? Yes, yeah, maybe it's

799
00:51:38,780 --> 00:51:44,020
about the the sand and the and
the the Eiffel Tower. So you put

800
00:51:44,020 --> 00:51:51,760
both of them in there, the
stinky River and the in the I

801
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,780
did not know this. Did you did
you know? And maybe, I'm sure

802
00:51:55,780 --> 00:51:58,360
you probably did. I did not
notice this until recently, that

803
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:02,700
the Eiffel Tower was created for
the World's Fair. Yes, I

804
00:52:02,700 --> 00:52:06,060
Adam Curry: did know that.
Actually, I had no idea. Yeah,

805
00:52:06,060 --> 00:52:11,220
it was like the 1889 or
something. Yeah, sure. Yeah,

806
00:52:11,220 --> 00:52:12,960
that was cool. Well, they

807
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:13,920
Dave Jones: had the stuff

808
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,660
Adam Curry: back at the world
fairs. I mean, they don't do

809
00:52:15,660 --> 00:52:18,840
those anymore. Do they the
world's fairs? No,

810
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,040
Dave Jones: but that, like, I
read this. Do you know the book

811
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:27,200
Devil in the White City? No, I
don't just finished reading that

812
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,500
about three weeks ago. Great
book about the world, the

813
00:52:30,500 --> 00:52:35,600
Chicago World's Fair of 1893 and
man, that's those things were

814
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,100
nuts. Well,

815
00:52:37,100 --> 00:52:40,420
Adam Curry: I remember in New
York, which, of course, was

816
00:52:40,420 --> 00:52:44,380
featured in Men in Black. They
had the all those structures out

817
00:52:44,380 --> 00:52:47,440
there near the airport, which
was also the site of one of

818
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:52,660
those early world fairs. Sir
bemro says, Seattle Space Needle

819
00:52:52,660 --> 00:52:56,980
was also built for one of the
world's fairs. That was cool.

820
00:52:57,220 --> 00:52:59,680
Dave Jones: That was cool.
Ferris Wheel. The Ferris Ferris

821
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,680
was created as part of the
World's

822
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,680
Adam Curry: Fair, and now all we
have when it comes stuff like

823
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:10,200
that is house of the future.
Yeah, home of the future. I've

824
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,500
been to those. It's such a scam.
I know James went to one, and

825
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:18,120
where was it? He was one of his
travels. He was he wrote a piece

826
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,260
about it. And they're always a
scam, because they had one in

827
00:53:21,260 --> 00:53:24,380
the Netherlands, home of the
future, and all it is is just

828
00:53:24,380 --> 00:53:28,700
Phillips and, you know, and
Braun and all these other home

829
00:53:28,700 --> 00:53:32,540
goods companies who just put
their concept models into this

830
00:53:32,540 --> 00:53:35,120
home. Oh, you can have this in
the future. It's just an it's an

831
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:36,380
ad. It's an ad.

832
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,180
Dave Jones: It's gonna, it's
just all refrigerators. They're

833
00:53:40,180 --> 00:53:41,740
gonna order your milk for you
and stuff

834
00:53:41,740 --> 00:53:44,800
Adam Curry: like one day, baby,
one day, one day, one day. It's

835
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,740
gonna happen. I know it's gonna
happen. All of a sudden, my

836
00:53:47,740 --> 00:53:50,680
refrigerator will know that I'm
out of milk, will automatically

837
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,260
order it, and the man will come
in and put it right in my

838
00:53:53,260 --> 00:53:54,580
fridge, right where it belongs.

839
00:53:55,180 --> 00:53:58,180
Dave Jones: Pfeiffer, the Ferris
wheel at Six Flags St Louis is

840
00:53:58,180 --> 00:54:01,140
not the one from the World's
Fair. That is fake news. Fake

841
00:54:01,140 --> 00:54:04,140
News. The ones from the one from
the World's Fair was exploded

842
00:54:04,140 --> 00:54:08,160
with dynamite after the st Louis
World's Fair. Awesome. Why

843
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:12,060
dynamite? I had no idea. Why
not, but that's how you rolled

844
00:54:12,060 --> 00:54:13,260
in 1903,

845
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,080
Adam Curry: did somebody say,
boom. They're like, what

846
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,200
Dave Jones: are we going to do
with this thing? Absolutely,

847
00:54:19,679 --> 00:54:21,739
Adam Curry: so that. So what
else is in a is that it for

848
00:54:21,739 --> 00:54:22,759
eight No,

849
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:27,740
Dave Jones: no, there's also
Nathan's follow tag. Ah, yes,

850
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,540
Adam Curry: explain the follow
tag again.

851
00:54:31,460 --> 00:54:33,500
Dave Jones: Well, I've got a
I've got so I've got a couple

852
00:54:33,500 --> 00:54:41,200
comments, though. So Nathan's
follow tag is just a way to is a

853
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:45,340
way to list out all the various
places that a podcast can be

854
00:54:45,340 --> 00:54:53,620
found on these different
platforms. Yes, and the So

855
00:54:53,620 --> 00:54:56,260
originally it was, let me read.
It's kind

856
00:54:56,260 --> 00:54:59,140
Adam Curry: of an outgrowth of
episodes.fm or comes from the

857
00:54:59,140 --> 00:55:02,460
same Yeah. So. Same feeling,
same vibe, Yeah, same

858
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:09,600
Dave Jones: same milieu, million
you gotta get along, yeah?

859
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,900
Matching feeds to their
corresponding URLs and third

860
00:55:12,900 --> 00:55:15,960
party podcast apps can be
tricky. The follow tag would

861
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,020
allow podcasters to verify their
presence on various platforms by

862
00:55:19,020 --> 00:55:22,340
providing an array of URLs and
linked in a linked JSON file.

863
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,560
This is particularly useful for
locating shows on platforms with

864
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,800
no public lookup method, or
identifying shows with common

865
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,800
names, like real talk in
platforms that only provide a

866
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:41,440
search API. And so this is
originally it was in XML, so it

867
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,320
was all this would have gone
into the feed, you know, yes,

868
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:48,040
Adam Curry: I remember this,
yeah, yeah. Then now it's an

869
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:49,180
external JSON,

870
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,780
Dave Jones: yeah, and that's,
that's what I that's what I

871
00:55:52,780 --> 00:55:56,620
think is, that's what I think is
the problem here that. So I

872
00:55:56,620 --> 00:56:01,260
understand why he did it. He
based it on feedback, saying

873
00:56:01,620 --> 00:56:06,000
from hosting companies, saying
that, well, that's gonna bloat

874
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,580
the feed a lot, and we're
sensitive to feed size because

875
00:56:08,580 --> 00:56:11,100
of bandwidth costs and that kind
of thing. To

876
00:56:11,100 --> 00:56:14,640
Adam Curry: feed bloat, feed
below. I like this term feed

877
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:15,180
bloat,

878
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:22,880
Dave Jones: and which is
understandable, but there's a

879
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,740
couple of things I just want to
talk about around this. And I

880
00:56:27,740 --> 00:56:33,740
think, I think Daniel J Lewis
was right, because, I mean, he

881
00:56:36,380 --> 00:56:37,280
Unknown: said, what

882
00:56:39,739 --> 00:56:44,559
Dave Jones: he said? He said,
we've not talking about, talking

883
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:49,059
about whether, you know, like
bloating the feed with stuff. He

884
00:56:49,059 --> 00:56:51,579
said we've not consistently
followed that logic. For

885
00:56:51,579 --> 00:56:54,219
example, wallet switching is in
the feed instead of episode

886
00:56:54,219 --> 00:56:56,859
metadata, Jason, where it
logically belongs with chapters.

887
00:56:57,879 --> 00:57:01,439
And I think, I think he's right
that the So, for instance, pod

888
00:57:01,439 --> 00:57:07,019
love chapters are now in the
feed or in the XML. So basically

889
00:57:07,019 --> 00:57:11,699
we have, we originally kept
chapters out of the XML because

890
00:57:11,759 --> 00:57:14,339
it would have bloated the XML.
No, that's

891
00:57:14,340 --> 00:57:18,120
Adam Curry: not. The reason why.
Why? The reason why is for

892
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,740
community based chapters so that
you can have external chapter

893
00:57:21,740 --> 00:57:25,460
creation apps that can be done
outside of publishing or

894
00:57:25,460 --> 00:57:26,780
republishing the feed.

895
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,540
Dave Jones: Oh, I'm sorry, What?
What? You're right, what? What

896
00:57:29,540 --> 00:57:33,920
is the what's the other one that
has a transcript? Yeah,

897
00:57:33,980 --> 00:57:39,140
transcript. That's that one is
originally was, was in a

898
00:57:39,140 --> 00:57:42,040
separate file to keep it from
bloating the XML,

899
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,100
Adam Curry: but it's still in a
separate file. No, it is, yeah.

900
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:45,820
It is, yeah.

901
00:57:46,060 --> 00:57:50,260
Dave Jones: But what I'm saying
is, like, we some things. So my

902
00:57:50,260 --> 00:57:55,840
example of pod love chapters
that's originally people hosting

903
00:57:55,900 --> 00:57:58,540
companies did not want to put
that in their feed because it

904
00:57:58,540 --> 00:58:03,540
bloated the feed. Would rather
have it in a separate file, but

905
00:58:03,540 --> 00:58:06,480
now, because Spotify supports
pod love chapters, everybody

906
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,960
starts putting pod love chapters
in the XML, yes. So I think

907
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:14,640
Daniels ride that the logic is
not, it's like it's not being

908
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,660
followed consistently. That's
that's one thing. You know, we

909
00:58:18,660 --> 00:58:21,860
can't tell hosting companies
what to I mean their their costs

910
00:58:21,860 --> 00:58:24,500
and their, their sensitivities,
things like that. Those belong

911
00:58:24,500 --> 00:58:27,860
to them, and they have to make
those decisions. But, but it

912
00:58:27,860 --> 00:58:32,480
does seem to be inconsistent,
and I know I never know when

913
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,060
it's okay and when it's not
right. But that leads to this

914
00:58:35,060 --> 00:58:41,200
other thing, which is, which is,
well,

915
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:45,520
Adam Curry: if I may, I would
say that feed bloat is also

916
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:50,920
important for podcast app
developers who, in many cases do

917
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,880
parse a feed. And you know, if
you're choking on five feeds

918
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,640
that are, you know, 20 megs,
because there's all kinds of

919
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:02,280
stuff in it, I can see where
that could possibly create

920
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:03,000
problems.

921
00:59:04,260 --> 00:59:07,500
Dave Jones: Oh, for sure, yeah,
for sure. And yeah. And Nathan

922
00:59:07,500 --> 00:59:10,920
says he the difference. And this
is what I was going to talk

923
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,880
about. Nathan the you know, you
have two separate you kind of,

924
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:20,180
they kind of have two separate
feature concepts here. Some

925
00:59:20,180 --> 00:59:24,620
things are are you can just
think about this and say, Okay,

926
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:29,240
this is a feature that would be
in every single feed, like title

927
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:34,160
or description or image, things
that are going to be in every

928
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:38,480
single feed. It doesn't really
make sense to have that in a

929
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:42,880
separate file, but for things
that are just, that are never,

930
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,600
that are going to be sort of
selective enhancements to a

931
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:52,900
feed, those do make more sense
in a separate file. But, you

932
00:59:52,900 --> 00:59:56,200
know, like, and I understand
that's a little bit backwards,

933
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,480
because you would think, well,
things that are going to be in

934
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:02,700
every single file, you. Those
are going to cause feed bloat.

935
01:00:02,940 --> 01:00:06,960
So you may what not want to put
it in there, but if they're

936
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,840
going to be in every single
file, and now you're going to

937
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:14,280
generate two downloads. And so
it doesn't really matter if it's

938
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,740
in the feed or not, you're still
paying, you're still paying the

939
01:00:16,740 --> 01:00:22,820
bandwidth, right, right? So if
it's, if it's an item of of

940
01:00:22,820 --> 01:00:26,180
almost universal desire,

941
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,380
Adam Curry: item of universal
desire. Look at that girl. Look

942
01:00:30,380 --> 01:00:33,500
at that girl over there. She's
an item of universal desire.

943
01:00:33,740 --> 01:00:38,840
Dave Jones: This is odd name
space time. So if it's like, if

944
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:42,580
it's like a universal want,
where you can imagine, and

945
01:00:42,580 --> 01:00:46,420
that's what this is like. You
can imagine that every platform

946
01:00:46,420 --> 01:00:50,560
is going to want to see this
data, because it tells them

947
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:54,040
where all the I mean, like, pod
page. Pod page wants this. Yeah,

948
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,860
they're going to grab that data
from every feed that has it.

949
01:00:56,860 --> 01:01:00,900
They're going to want every
link, pod news, us. Everybody's

950
01:01:00,900 --> 01:01:04,200
gonna want this data. So you're,
if you're a host and you're

951
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,660
gonna provide the follow
information, you're gonna be

952
01:01:06,660 --> 01:01:09,120
serving that data, whether it's
in a separate file, or wherever

953
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,220
there's in the feed. You're
gonna, you're gonna be sending

954
01:01:11,220 --> 01:01:15,720
it. So at that point, having it
in a separate file is kind of an

955
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:21,080
un makes it unnecessarily
complicated. Yes,

956
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:30,560
Adam Curry: yes, I'm with you.
Affirmative, Captain, I Yes, I'm

957
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:32,480
with you. So

958
01:01:32,540 --> 01:01:37,460
Dave Jones: that's, you know,
that's fine. That's why, that's

959
01:01:37,460 --> 01:01:40,120
why it seems to make me
ultimately, if that, you know,

960
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:43,240
it's whatever I don't, you know,
I'm not gonna die on that hill.

961
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:47,200
If, if everybody, if the hosting
company, I mean,

962
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,200
Adam Curry: it's really not that
huge. I mean, when it comes to

963
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,900
the follow stuff, it's pretty
limited in scope.

964
01:01:53,980 --> 01:01:55,600
Dave Jones: I don't think it
would be much bigger than

965
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:56,500
chapters, right?

966
01:01:58,060 --> 01:02:00,540
Adam Curry: Well, but, you know,
again, chapters, the reason for

967
01:02:00,540 --> 01:02:03,660
chapters is for external editing
purposes. No,

968
01:02:03,660 --> 01:02:05,760
Dave Jones: no, I'm talking
about pod love chapters, the

969
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:07,740
ones that are in the XML. Um,

970
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,680
Adam Curry: no, no, yeah, not
real. It's not like a

971
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,800
transcript. It's not, it's not.
I mean, look, I'm You're right.

972
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:17,100
I'm sure that they, the hosting
companies, look at everything

973
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,900
because of bandwidth, but
whether you're pulling it off

974
01:02:20,900 --> 01:02:25,640
their server as an external file
or in the feed. I don't really,

975
01:02:26,300 --> 01:02:28,760
I don't really see that as a
difference in the bandwidth,

976
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:32,180
because it's still, you're still
serving it. I'm looking at it

977
01:02:32,180 --> 01:02:35,420
more from the aggregation side.
It's like just a little bit of

978
01:02:35,420 --> 01:02:36,200
extra data.

979
01:02:37,940 --> 01:02:43,600
Dave Jones: I mean, initially,
initially, you're going to have

980
01:02:45,100 --> 01:02:48,100
probably not very much, like, if
you, if you left it out of the

981
01:02:48,100 --> 01:02:51,700
feed, when the when you first
implement it, if you leave it in

982
01:02:51,700 --> 01:02:54,760
a separate file, you are going
to save bandwidth, yeah. But

983
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,940
over time, as people start
realizing this data is there and

984
01:02:57,940 --> 01:03:01,800
start downloading it, then stuff
will happen with it. You're just

985
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,680
not gonna say. I don't think
you're gonna see much savings.

986
01:03:04,740 --> 01:03:06,540
No, I don't know. Well, I

987
01:03:06,540 --> 01:03:08,760
Adam Curry: like that. I like
this is a good tag. I like it,

988
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:10,140
but I think it's a good tag.

989
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:12,960
Dave Jones: Yeah, I will ask for

990
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:14,100
Adam Curry: valid, ask

991
01:03:14,100 --> 01:03:18,120
Dave Jones: for more feedback.
Valid tag. I've, I've declared

992
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:18,900
this ballot.

993
01:03:20,100 --> 01:03:24,140
Adam Curry: Let's take a
breather. Sure I have this is a

994
01:03:24,140 --> 01:03:27,560
great track. This is from Texas
boy. In fact, he's right down

995
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:32,660
the road in Austin, Texas, and I
think we were trying to get him

996
01:03:32,660 --> 01:03:36,320
for the boost to Grand Ball live
December 16. I'm not sure if

997
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:40,340
that's gonna happen or not. And
I played this one on boosted

998
01:03:40,340 --> 01:03:43,480
Graham ball, a new booster grand
ball this Wednesday, one o'clock

999
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,720
central time. This is Abel
James. This is the Voodoo Queen

1000
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:49,840
on podcasting 2.0 remember to
boost and let me know about

1001
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:56,320
Unknown: every bedroom. We're
the Voodoo queen. This cold

1002
01:03:56,320 --> 01:04:01,680
sweat is clinging to my bones.
She's like Tiger. It gr

1003
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:09,180
and I'm trembling because I know
she's sharpening her claws.

1004
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:22,800
Lord, I can't escape this tangle
If she eats. No, no, I used to

1005
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:27,680
laugh. Used to laugh at magic,
but now I do believe

1006
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:42,940
my eyes are red and my body
wakes up bruised and blue, she

1007
01:04:42,940 --> 01:04:50,440
can't be tamed. There's nothing
I can do when she's standing up.

1008
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:58,960
That witch is bruised, Lord, I
can't escape this tangle where

1009
01:04:59,080 --> 01:04:59,740
she breathes.

1010
01:05:05,820 --> 01:05:10,440
Me now, I do believe now,

1011
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:42,460
well, I sail a bedroom where the
Voodoo Queen just cold, swear

1012
01:05:42,460 --> 01:05:50,980
you clinging to my bones. She's
like tigress, and I'm trembling

1013
01:05:53,380 --> 01:05:56,020
because I know she's shopping at
Her claw Lord, I can't escape.

1014
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:10,200
Just Tama with now,

1015
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:29,840
laugh at magic. Now I do booze.
You Believe now I Do believe.

1016
01:06:42,740 --> 01:07:38,660
Adam Curry: Dance. Abel James
voodoo Queen podcast in 2.0 and

1017
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:43,300
just like any any boardroom when
the band's on stage, everybody's

1018
01:07:43,300 --> 01:07:46,480
mulling around talking to each
other. Hey, man, why don't we

1019
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:49,000
offload that to pod ping, we can
do this. We can do this. You

1020
01:07:49,180 --> 01:07:52,300
guys are not even paying
attention to the band. The band

1021
01:07:52,300 --> 01:07:53,260
is feeling bad.

1022
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:56,380
Dave Jones: No, I was, it does.
It counts, though, that I was

1023
01:07:56,380 --> 01:07:58,600
like jamming while I was as

1024
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:00,720
Adam Curry: long as you were
playing air guitar, it's okay.

1025
01:08:02,460 --> 01:08:04,560
Dave Jones: Air drums. What is
the, by the way, what is the

1026
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:10,140
etiquette? The texting etiquette
around, like, when you reply to

1027
01:08:10,140 --> 01:08:17,040
somebody around, like, Ha versus
haha, versus hahaha, like, is it

1028
01:08:17,100 --> 01:08:21,140
is Ha is just, if somebody says
something funny and that you

1029
01:08:21,140 --> 01:08:22,400
just say, Huh, oh, okay,

1030
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:25,880
Adam Curry: here's, here's how I
look at it. Okay, if I'm

1031
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:30,500
surprised because someone made a
remark that was like, wow, okay,

1032
01:08:30,500 --> 01:08:34,820
you, you pointed something out
to me that's ha, capital H, and

1033
01:08:34,820 --> 01:08:42,400
then a, lowercase a, exclamation
mark, ha, ha. Now, now I now,

1034
01:08:42,460 --> 01:08:47,980
instead of doing an LOL, if I'm
really happy about something,

1035
01:08:47,980 --> 01:08:53,980
then it's a hahaha, I've added
that to my dictionary, actually,

1036
01:08:53,980 --> 01:08:56,320
so I can type in just a couple
of has, and then it

1037
01:08:56,320 --> 01:09:01,260
automatically auto corrects.
Usually no exclamation mark.

1038
01:09:01,620 --> 01:09:04,500
Dave Jones: This makes sense to
me, because sometimes I will

1039
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,800
send you something and you will
come back with a with, like, an

1040
01:09:07,860 --> 01:09:11,520
A nine character string, hahaha,
with an exclamation point, and

1041
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:13,860
it's super fast. I'm like, I
know you didn't have time to

1042
01:09:13,860 --> 01:09:14,280
type that,

1043
01:09:14,700 --> 01:09:18,540
Adam Curry: especially not on my
cat s 22 which is still my daily

1044
01:09:18,540 --> 01:09:21,440
driving jam, baby. I love this
phone. I love it.

1045
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:23,359
Dave Jones: I'm like that thing
has real buttons. You can't tell

1046
01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:24,679
you can't hammer that out real
fast.

1047
01:09:25,340 --> 01:09:27,560
Adam Curry: It's a great phone.
It's a great phone.

1048
01:09:28,100 --> 01:09:30,740
Dave Jones: Nobody uses
Rafflecopter anymore, by the

1049
01:09:31,100 --> 01:09:31,280
way,

1050
01:09:31,939 --> 01:09:35,119
Adam Curry: okay, Boomer, no, no
one uses that. No one uses that

1051
01:09:35,119 --> 01:09:39,559
anymore. Thank you, Dr Scott,
for boosting. Abel James, by the

1052
01:09:39,559 --> 01:09:43,479
way, Suzanne Santo is onboarded,
I think, into a value for value.

1053
01:09:44,259 --> 01:09:45,699
Oh, nice. Yeah,

1054
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:48,760
Dave Jones: you, uh, you played
her. I think you were the first

1055
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:50,200
one to play her. I think you
played her.

1056
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:52,660
Adam Curry: I've been, I've been
working her for two years,

1057
01:09:52,660 --> 01:09:55,780
trying to get working. Like,
come on, girl, come on, get it

1058
01:09:55,780 --> 01:09:59,680
together. Uh, yeah. Open Mic is,
uh, he's the one organizing this

1059
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:07,440
whole. A antones thing. So I'm
just the MC slash host. You want

1060
01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:10,680
Dave Jones: to talk quickly
about the, about the nasty API

1061
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:12,360
bug that that I fixed, yeah,

1062
01:10:12,660 --> 01:10:16,440
Adam Curry: yes, that would be
good one, because, I mean, yes,

1063
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:19,080
it was a nasty bug, a nasty bug.

1064
01:10:20,940 --> 01:10:28,820
Dave Jones: So Adam alerted me
that one of the, one of the that

1065
01:10:28,820 --> 01:10:33,920
he was getting a random episode
from, from just a he was getting

1066
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:36,980
an episode, he was getting an
episode from a Rando podcast.

1067
01:10:36,980 --> 01:10:42,100
Rando, yes, just and I was like,
he was like, okay, it

1068
01:10:42,099 --> 01:10:44,679
Adam Curry: wasn't even a good
podcast. It was some wonky

1069
01:10:44,679 --> 01:10:46,119
podcast. It was not the right,
no,

1070
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:51,220
Dave Jones: it was dumb. It was
dumb. And so he's like, Well, I

1071
01:10:51,220 --> 01:10:59,020
added these podcasts to my
collection here, and and, and it

1072
01:10:59,020 --> 01:11:04,020
all looks fine, except I keep
getting this random this episode

1073
01:11:04,020 --> 01:11:07,920
from a random podcast that I've
never heard of before, and the

1074
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:12,900
podcast was delight, the life of
JB,

1075
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:18,480
Adam Curry: die, life of JB.
Exactly. How does this even

1076
01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:20,160
happen? Yeah,

1077
01:11:20,340 --> 01:11:26,780
Dave Jones: l, y, F, E, of, J,
J, a, y, b, like, oh, like,

1078
01:11:26,780 --> 01:11:30,020
okay, so I started looking in.
The first thing that popped out

1079
01:11:30,020 --> 01:11:38,240
to me was that the the feed ID
in the in podcast index for this

1080
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:44,800
feed was 25,000 to 25 000, mmm.
Now, now that's a suspiciously

1081
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:45,940
round number, yes

1082
01:11:45,940 --> 01:11:48,520
Adam Curry: for a Rando podcast.
Oh, what are we drinking?

1083
01:11:50,020 --> 01:11:54,700
Dave Jones: Oh, this is a
montane grapefruit, peach,

1084
01:11:54,700 --> 01:11:55,540
sparkling water.

1085
01:11:55,540 --> 01:11:57,100
Adam Curry: You're gonna die so
early.

1086
01:11:57,640 --> 01:11:59,560
Dave Jones: This is zero
calories or no sugar.

1087
01:11:59,620 --> 01:12:04,260
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, natural
flavors, yeah, all natural Yeah.

1088
01:12:04,260 --> 01:12:06,780
All natural flavors, which is
code for chemical

1089
01:12:07,860 --> 01:12:14,820
Dave Jones: the No, it's m, O N,
T, A, N, E. So I'm like, okay,

1090
01:12:14,820 --> 01:12:20,780
25,000 that's pretty unlikely,
right? So start look at what the

1091
01:12:20,780 --> 01:12:24,740
the end point that I was using
to get these episodes was the

1092
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:32,660
episodes by feed ID, using the
new using the new parameter on

1093
01:12:32,660 --> 01:12:37,280
the end of newest. So if you
tack newest onto the end of that

1094
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:41,680
call, what you can do is you can
give it an array of feed ID of

1095
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:45,400
podcast IDs. So let's say you
say you could give it like five

1096
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:51,040
podcast IDs, and then you can
also give it a max parameter. So

1097
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:54,820
I was like, I want no more than
this many episodes returned. And

1098
01:12:54,820 --> 01:13:04,200
then you can give it the newest
unary operator, and it will and

1099
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:08,220
that will just give you the the
max number that you specified,

1100
01:13:08,220 --> 01:13:14,340
newest episodes from this, from
this array of podcast IDs. And

1101
01:13:14,340 --> 01:13:18,540
so I start looking through this.
I isolated it to it was a

1102
01:13:18,540 --> 01:13:21,020
problem on the index. So then I
start digging through this end

1103
01:13:21,020 --> 01:13:25,160
point, and what I figured out
was, and everybody, this is

1104
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:29,720
going to make sense to
everybody. So SQL, when you do

1105
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:38,840
SQL queries on when you do SQL
queries, you you don't you use

1106
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:42,160
what's called bound parameters.
So what you do is you would say

1107
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:47,980
something like this. You would
say like, select, select from

1108
01:13:47,980 --> 01:13:57,100
episodes where ID equal question
mark, max equal question or

1109
01:13:57,100 --> 01:14:00,420
limit equal question mark. So
that was that. And so then you

1110
01:14:00,420 --> 01:14:03,420
would go back later, and you
would do what's called binding

1111
01:14:03,420 --> 01:14:07,980
those the values to the
statement. So later, you would

1112
01:14:07,980 --> 01:14:10,980
fill in those question marks
with the values that you're

1113
01:14:10,980 --> 01:14:14,340
actually going to use. And what
it does, what this does is it

1114
01:14:14,340 --> 01:14:19,020
prevents SQL injection attacks,
because bound parameters are not

1115
01:14:19,020 --> 01:14:24,920
x i hate. I knew you. I know you
do. Bound parameters are not

1116
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:28,880
executed as SQL code their own.
They're only allowed to be

1117
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:33,200
values. So this is a, this is a
fundamentally, this is a

1118
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:36,200
fundamental security thing that
everyone has to do. You have to

1119
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:40,960
use bound parameters. Yes,
exactly. No. Bobby Tables, the

1120
01:14:41,980 --> 01:14:46,780
so what? And so it should be
clear now probably to what's

1121
01:14:46,780 --> 01:14:51,460
happening here. I got the order
of the bound parameters wrong,

1122
01:14:52,060 --> 01:14:59,920
so that the max parameter, which
I was calculating as 25,000 was.

1123
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,340
The first parameter in the list
and the feed ID array was all

1124
01:15:05,340 --> 01:15:09,120
the rest of them, right? So
that's why it was giving 25,000

1125
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:13,920
it was interpreting that as one
of the feed IDs to return, and

1126
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:17,280
then it was just chopping off
the last value from the array.

1127
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:23,120
So I was, I was never getting
curry in the keeper, because it

1128
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:27,680
thought that was the, the max
parameter and so, but I was

1129
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:33,200
getting the life of JB, yeah,
exactly. So this was, this has

1130
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:36,320
been a bug in the index, evident
for about, I think for about two

1131
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:36,680
months.

1132
01:15:36,740 --> 01:15:39,380
Adam Curry: Oh, only a month.
Okay, is because

1133
01:15:39,380 --> 01:15:42,880
Dave Jones: that's a fairly new
parameter anyway, so, yeah,

1134
01:15:43,420 --> 01:15:44,860
nasty bug. As

1135
01:15:44,860 --> 01:15:48,280
Adam Curry: as we've learned, my
whole existence in life is to

1136
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:49,900
break things that Dave built.

1137
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:53,740
Dave Jones: And you're and you
do that so well, I

1138
01:15:53,740 --> 01:15:55,180
Unknown: mean, like you, it's
amazing.

1139
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:57,400
Dave Jones: I don't know how you
do it.

1140
01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:59,920
Adam Curry: It's why there's two
of us, brothers. It's one of

1141
01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:04,920
your magical abilities. That's
my superpower. Before we thank

1142
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:08,760
some people. I did just want to
ask you, since I kind of have I

1143
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:12,000
tuned out from the thread a
little bit, what is the problem

1144
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,600
with comic strip bloggers,
podcast, not updating? Can we

1145
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:16,500
help this man?

1146
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:18,780
Dave Jones: What is it? Did it
happen again? I

1147
01:16:18,780 --> 01:16:22,940
Adam Curry: don't know. It's
always like, I mean, he's using

1148
01:16:22,940 --> 01:16:26,480
some, what is he, I'm sure he's
using some free host somewhere.

1149
01:16:26,719 --> 01:16:29,119
Dave Jones: Well, he's using red
circle. And they use, they

1150
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:31,820
Adam Curry: use pod ping, pod
thing, yeah, because he's like,

1151
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:34,820
Oh, it's like, I have 15
episodes on red circle, but only

1152
01:16:34,820 --> 01:16:38,300
12 in the index. You suck.
That's, I mean, not literally

1153
01:16:38,300 --> 01:16:40,540
saying that. But he always comes
across that way.

1154
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:47,319
Dave Jones: He didn't put it
through a chat, CSB to calm that

1155
01:16:47,319 --> 01:16:48,219
down at all.

1156
01:16:49,900 --> 01:16:52,480
Adam Curry: That's just my I
just hear him that way. So that

1157
01:16:52,480 --> 01:16:56,740
could just be all on me. But it
seems like, yeah, yeah, comic

1158
01:16:56,860 --> 01:17:01,260
should. Blog has a podcast. We
records nature sounds, his

1159
01:17:01,260 --> 01:17:04,020
lightning and stuff and thunder.

1160
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:07,980
Dave Jones: He says, Is it
unreliability of ping pong that

1161
01:17:07,980 --> 01:17:10,080
can only do so bad.

1162
01:17:11,580 --> 01:17:15,060
Adam Curry: I said, when I read
I'm like, What can we help this

1163
01:17:15,060 --> 01:17:16,860
man? Is there anything we can
do?

1164
01:17:18,900 --> 01:17:21,620
Dave Jones: I don't understand
why that's happening, I really

1165
01:17:21,620 --> 01:17:24,680
don't, I'm, I'm gonna have to,
I'm gonna have to dig in.

1166
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:27,560
Adam Curry: Has he somehow been
automatically de prioritized in

1167
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:30,140
the index parsing system?

1168
01:17:30,740 --> 01:17:33,620
Dave Jones: Not that I know of.
I mean, well,

1169
01:17:33,980 --> 01:17:35,840
Adam Curry: look at that's
something wrong with the ping

1170
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:43,059
Dave Jones: pong, all of the,
all of the feeds from pod ping

1171
01:17:43,059 --> 01:17:46,959
enabled hosts. They're all deep
power test, and they don't pull

1172
01:17:47,019 --> 01:17:50,079
right. We just wait for the
problem with, I

1173
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:53,440
Adam Curry: think red circle is
if he uploads things too fast,

1174
01:17:53,440 --> 01:17:55,780
or maybe they're not, they're
not pod, they're not ping

1175
01:17:55,780 --> 01:18:02,980
ponging enough. Seems like they
don't seem to slurp the things.

1176
01:18:02,980 --> 01:18:03,720
Slurp,

1177
01:18:04,380 --> 01:18:06,480
Dave Jones: yeah, that's,
that's, uh, Brian of London's

1178
01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:09,420
thing where you can look up a
feed URL to see how many like

1179
01:18:09,420 --> 01:18:12,180
when it's been pod pinged or
ping pong. From

1180
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:16,500
Adam Curry: now on, his ping
pong, ping pong and pod ping

1181
01:18:16,500 --> 01:18:18,060
Hello, oh.

1182
01:18:18,060 --> 01:18:22,040
Dave Jones: Eric PP just got the
boost bot to ping it, so make

1183
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:25,340
sure there's crap flying around.
I don't even know what's going

1184
01:18:25,340 --> 01:18:27,860
on at the time. I didn't know
you could even do that from

1185
01:18:27,980 --> 01:18:31,520
boost, but nonsense. It's

1186
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:33,800
Adam Curry: amazing. It's
amazing. All right, we got to

1187
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:38,000
wrap this up. All right,
thanking a few people who

1188
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:41,560
boosted in live. 12345, from Dr
Scott for voodoo queen. Great

1189
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:45,520
tune heard on Friday. 11 slash
one episode. 199 podcasting. 2.0

1190
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:49,000
podcast with Adam curry and Dave
Jones. Yes, we still don't have

1191
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:54,700
all podcast apps sending off
that information, which would be

1192
01:18:54,700 --> 01:18:58,780
great so that, so that someone
knows that this was a boost for

1193
01:18:58,900 --> 01:19:02,940
for a certain song. 1776 freedom
boost from salty crayon. Howdy

1194
01:19:02,940 --> 01:19:06,300
boardroom. I got nothing. Have a
great weekend in the pipe. And

1195
01:19:07,020 --> 01:19:10,860
then we got to the pipe. Three
boob boosts from Tim f we got

1196
01:19:10,860 --> 01:19:14,760
333. From salty crayon. He says,
lol, no worries. He'll look for

1197
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:18,420
it this weekend. So we've
figured out that the fees

1198
01:19:18,420 --> 01:19:23,420
discussion was in episode 120.
Splits versus fees, and that is

1199
01:19:23,420 --> 01:19:25,700
in the show notes. So it's
linked right there if you want

1200
01:19:25,700 --> 01:19:29,900
to go listen to that. D's,
laughs, 1000 SATs. Shout out to

1201
01:19:29,900 --> 01:19:38,000
all the garbage supporters from
Canada, political boost. Triple

1202
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:41,260
seven from Mike Newman. Oh, that
was just a test boost for the

1203
01:19:41,260 --> 01:19:44,080
boost spot, and I've hit the
delimiter, so you're good to go,

1204
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:44,380
Dave.

1205
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:49,720
Dave Jones: We do. We have no
one. We have no monthly or,

1206
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:53,860
excuse me, one offs on the pay
pals, but we do have some. I'll

1207
01:19:53,860 --> 01:19:55,960
just go ahead and read the
monthlies, and I'll read the

1208
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:59,560
boot the boost. The monthlies
are. Cameron rose, thank you,

1209
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:04,380
Cameron. $25 nice drab. Scott
$15 thank you. Dr, Thank you,

1210
01:20:04,380 --> 01:20:09,360
Chris, uh, Chris Bernard, Dick,
$5 uh. Michael Kimmerer $5.33

1211
01:20:11,220 --> 01:20:16,740
Pedro gun calvis $5 Kevin Bay $5
and Chad Farrow, $20.22

1212
01:20:18,900 --> 01:20:21,020
Adam Curry: row of ducks and
thank you. Those Sustaining

1213
01:20:21,020 --> 01:20:23,540
monthly donations. Those are
really important. Those are

1214
01:20:23,540 --> 01:20:27,020
great. You know, it adds up. It
adds up, it really does Yes,

1215
01:20:27,020 --> 01:20:28,100
thank you so much.

1216
01:20:29,660 --> 01:20:33,140
Dave Jones: Oh, Franco, just
emailed me back a more extensive

1217
01:20:33,140 --> 01:20:35,240
thing. Oh, okay, I'll forward
this to you.

1218
01:20:35,300 --> 01:20:39,140
Adam Curry: We're going to jail.
All right, Italian jail. Italian

1219
01:20:39,140 --> 01:20:39,320
jail.

1220
01:20:40,100 --> 01:20:45,040
Dave Jones: See you guys later.
Let's see. Let me sort my thing

1221
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:53,140
here. Okay, but boo. Boost from
curry, 8008. 808. From fountain.

1222
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:56,020
He says, I'm back. Baby, nice,
surprisingly, normally,

1223
01:20:56,200 --> 01:21:00,180
surprisingly normal sized
Brazilian booties and pretty New

1224
01:21:00,180 --> 01:21:03,300
Zealand landscapes had me
distracted for a while. Is the

1225
01:21:03,300 --> 01:21:07,380
secret project on? Okay, let's
see, is the secret project an

1226
01:21:07,380 --> 01:21:10,560
app dedicated to your favorite
person ever, Rachel Maddow,

1227
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:12,180
thank you everyone.

1228
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:16,020
Adam Curry: Close, close. Even
more favorite than Rachel

1229
01:21:16,020 --> 01:21:17,700
Maddow, which is

1230
01:21:17,700 --> 01:21:20,280
Dave Jones: hard to do. Yes,
thank you everyone for all your

1231
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:21,740
hard work. Thank you curry.
Thank

1232
01:21:21,740 --> 01:21:23,540
Adam Curry: you Chiron. Good to
hear from you brother, glad

1233
01:21:23,540 --> 01:21:26,420
you're okay. Glad you, uh, you
extracted yourself from

1234
01:21:26,420 --> 01:21:27,320
Brazilian booty.

1235
01:21:29,180 --> 01:21:31,760
Dave Jones: He's got Chiron is a
fun guy to hang out with. He's

1236
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:37,160
got some great stories. I'll bet
Chad F 3333 to pod verse, he

1237
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:39,800
says, re listening to see what I
missed since I had a heart

1238
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:45,160
attack during this episode, what
Chad f are you for real? Is that

1239
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:48,940
for real? You just kidding?
You're gonna have to. You're

1240
01:21:48,940 --> 01:21:50,200
gonna have to,

1241
01:21:50,260 --> 01:21:51,220
Adam Curry: yeah. Are you
alright?

1242
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:54,940
Dave Jones: Yeah? Me freaked
Yeah. Freaked out. Don't

1243
01:21:54,940 --> 01:21:59,560
Adam Curry: make jokes about
this man chat, if his typing. I

1244
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:01,440
can see that in my in my you

1245
01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:05,220
Dave Jones: can see when he's
typing, yes, yeah. Oh, sat

1246
01:22:05,220 --> 01:22:05,700
boost,

1247
01:22:05,700 --> 01:22:07,860
Adam Curry: yeah, oh yeah. That
was interesting. So he did send

1248
01:22:07,860 --> 01:22:11,040
a million SATs by accident. He
fat fingered it, but his Alby

1249
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:16,440
hub restricted that to 50,000 so
I still got the TLV record in my

1250
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:20,960
helipad, which said, Here's
because I get 1% split for the

1251
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:24,260
so I can get the live boost. So
it still came through as a

1252
01:22:24,260 --> 01:22:26,660
million, but the payments
basically didn't go out because

1253
01:22:26,660 --> 01:22:29,600
of the restriction on Albie hub,
which is a good thing and

1254
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:33,860
protect You're saved by I would
have refunded you, Brother, no

1255
01:22:33,860 --> 01:22:36,500
worries. But I'm glad, glad you
got saved.

1256
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:40,960
Dave Jones: Yeah, comes your
blogger, the delimiter, 22,000

1257
01:22:41,440 --> 01:22:45,640
SATs. Speak of the devil
fountain. He says, howdy Adam

1258
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:49,180
and Dave, today, I invite your
audience to the podcast. The

1259
01:22:49,180 --> 01:22:53,800
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1260
01:22:54,340 --> 01:22:59,080
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1261
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:02,640
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1262
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:07,080
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1263
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:11,640
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1264
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:15,240
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1265
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:19,740
tune in and step up your
podcasting game. Yo. CSP,

1266
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:23,840
Adam Curry: what is the name of
his podcast? Again, I want to

1267
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:26,000
promote CSB podcast. Let

1268
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:28,460
Dave Jones: me see, it's
honestly kind of generic, and I

1269
01:23:28,460 --> 01:23:29,900
forget, Oh, hold on, we

1270
01:23:29,900 --> 01:23:32,300
Adam Curry: should be able to
find that. See, CSB

1271
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:37,880
Dave Jones: made it. Let me see,
I think it's kind of a generic

1272
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:41,560
name, like, uh, great stuff, or
something like that,

1273
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:46,300
Adam Curry: great stuff, or what

1274
01:23:46,300 --> 01:23:50,680
Dave Jones: it's like, something
like that. You know, he doesn't

1275
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:51,820
really real talk.

1276
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:56,620
Adam Curry: He doesn't he that's
funny. He doesn't have it in his

1277
01:23:56,980 --> 01:24:00,540
in his profile, or anything.
What is know it? I've

1278
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:01,800
Dave Jones: pinged it so many
times.

1279
01:24:01,860 --> 01:24:03,780
Adam Curry: What is the name of
that show? Comic, sort of

1280
01:24:03,780 --> 01:24:06,480
blogger, hmm, okay.

1281
01:24:07,259 --> 01:24:11,699
Dave Jones: CS Oh, it's a CSB
field. Is the name of CSB?

1282
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:14,340
Adam Curry: Well, hold on a
second. Let's go check it out.

1283
01:24:14,820 --> 01:24:19,500
CSB field, because it's field
recordings. Let's see what he

1284
01:24:19,500 --> 01:24:23,720
has here. CSB field recordings,
let's listen to the most recent

1285
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:24,500
episode.

1286
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:29,420
Dave Jones: Recording part
podcast by CSB, rain

1287
01:24:29,420 --> 01:24:33,500
Adam Curry: drapes the Iberian
plains anew. Silver drops adorn

1288
01:24:33,500 --> 01:24:37,640
the morning dew as chat GPT palm
trees sway beneath the gentle

1289
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:42,340
rain, nature song unfolds across
the terrain. Oh, I gotta pee

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01:24:42,340 --> 01:24:43,240
real bad. Now

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01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:45,160
Dave Jones: it's killing me.

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01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:49,720
Adam Curry: That's it's an
interesting idea for a podcast.

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01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:55,780
And now, here's winds of Iberia.
Oh, cool. And there's Iberia.

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01:24:55,780 --> 01:25:00,060
Now, here is his neighbor's
drill. I. A

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01:25:01,979 --> 01:25:04,739
Dave Jones: boost garbage
there's one of a garbage truck.

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01:25:04,979 --> 01:25:05,039
Oh,

1297
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:06,300
Adam Curry: this isn't a garbage
truck.

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01:25:13,440 --> 01:25:17,100
You can hear moving the mic too.
That's great. It's great. That's

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01:25:17,100 --> 01:25:20,420
what podcasting is all about,
baby. I'm telling you, that's

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01:25:20,420 --> 01:25:22,700
fantastic. I love it. I love it.

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01:25:23,300 --> 01:25:25,340
Dave Jones: I don't understand
why it's not updating, though.

1302
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:29,960
Adam Curry: He has high priority
now, on the on the bug, on the

1303
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:32,900
bug list, we'll ping pong the
pod ping and figure it out.

1304
01:25:32,900 --> 01:25:33,740
Brother, we'll take care

1305
01:25:33,740 --> 01:25:35,780
Dave Jones: of somebody just
ping pong him in the boost. But

1306
01:25:35,780 --> 01:25:38,000
Ellie, like three times a day,
somebody be on call.

1307
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:41,500
Adam Curry: All right. Brother,
Dave, we'll be back next week.

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01:25:42,220 --> 01:25:42,820
No,

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01:25:42,820 --> 01:25:46,180
Dave Jones: no, we will not. Oh,
I am gonna be gone Friday.

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01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:49,660
Adam Curry: Can I ask what
you're doing? I

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01:25:49,660 --> 01:25:52,960
Dave Jones: will be in the
forest in the me and my son are

1312
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:53,980
going backpacking.

1313
01:25:54,100 --> 01:25:57,640
Adam Curry: Oh, can you, can you
record some sounds as a special

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01:25:57,640 --> 01:25:59,020
episode for CSB?

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01:25:59,740 --> 01:26:02,580
Dave Jones: I will. I'll send it
to him as a field recording.

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01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:06,300
Excellent. It's gonna be, it's
gonna be the new, like, it's in

1317
01:26:06,300 --> 01:26:10,140
the sipsy wilderness, which is
in North Alabama. It's, it's

1318
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:16,020
like tons of of audio potential.
So I will send you the field

1319
01:26:16,020 --> 01:26:17,160
recording. Okay,

1320
01:26:17,340 --> 01:26:19,680
Adam Curry: thank you very much.
Boardroom. Thank you for being

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01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:23,480
here. Itbr in the boardroom.
We'll be back in two weeks with

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01:26:23,480 --> 01:26:26,780
another episode of podcasting
2.0 Have a great weekend. Dave,

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01:26:27,440 --> 01:26:27,860
so cool. You

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01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:44,380
Unknown: podcasts are cool. Do
you hope you have been listening

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01:26:44,380 --> 01:26:49,720
to podcasting to point oh, visit
podcast index.org for more

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01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:50,560
information.

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01:26:50,620 --> 01:26:54,340
Adam Curry: Go podcasting. We
like pork in the morning. You.