1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,790 Adam Curry: Oh, casting 2.0 for July 26 2024, episode 186 room 2 00:00:05,790 --> 00:00:11,460 2514 Oh, Hello once again, everybody it is time for the 3 00:00:11,490 --> 00:00:15,360 only only place you need to be for everything that's going on 4 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:19,080 in podcasting. That is if you care about the future and what's 5 00:00:19,080 --> 00:00:22,950 happening right now it is podcasting 2.0 We are the only 6 00:00:22,950 --> 00:00:26,820 boardroom that always travels to where the action is. I'm Adam 7 00:00:26,820 --> 00:00:29,070 curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in 8 00:00:29,070 --> 00:00:31,980 Nashville, the man who can adjust your EBIT da with a 9 00:00:31,980 --> 00:00:34,950 single stroke of his keyboard. Say hello to my friend on the 10 00:00:34,950 --> 00:00:39,360 other end. The one the only Mr. Dave Jones 11 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:45,900 Dave Jones: for EBIT, da services Yes. To whoever to 12 00:00:45,900 --> 00:00:48,930 whoever in Nashville needs them. I heard that yeah, it's super 13 00:00:48,930 --> 00:00:49,290 easy. 14 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,420 Adam Curry: You already helped out Spotify. That was pretty 15 00:00:51,420 --> 00:00:53,580 cool. That was nice of you. Yeah, 16 00:00:53,610 --> 00:00:56,220 Dave Jones: yeah, we're there now fully profitable. Yes. 17 00:00:57,930 --> 00:01:01,950 Adam Curry: I love that story. Yes, adjusted EBIT, da which 18 00:01:01,950 --> 00:01:05,760 basically means everything without any costs, and then we 19 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,210 weren't profitable. So we'll just it's fixed. There you go is 20 00:01:09,210 --> 00:01:09,720 done. Yeah. 21 00:01:10,170 --> 00:01:13,740 Dave Jones: You just adjust it, you adjusted as adjusted EBIT dA 22 00:01:13,770 --> 00:01:19,140 is the best scam thing I've ever heard in my life. Now, Spotify 23 00:01:19,140 --> 00:01:22,890 is actually profitable now for real but like all these other 24 00:01:22,890 --> 00:01:23,760 companies, I thought 25 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,120 Adam Curry: I thought they had adjusted EBIT da I thought no, 26 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:27,750 no, I think they're 27 00:01:27,750 --> 00:01:29,820 Dave Jones: actually profitable. It was the other one that was 28 00:01:30,660 --> 00:01:35,040 that adjusted their EBIT, da Hmm. Well, 29 00:01:35,070 --> 00:01:37,440 Adam Curry: which one do you mean? Cast one? 30 00:01:39,090 --> 00:01:41,070 Dave Jones: Um, it let's say wait, Somebody's knocking at the 31 00:01:41,070 --> 00:01:41,400 door. 32 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,540 Adam Curry: I probably should mention at this point that Dave 33 00:01:45,540 --> 00:01:50,550 is in Nashville. We don't know exactly where he is. We are in 34 00:01:50,550 --> 00:01:54,300 the middle of the bands at Bitcoin. As you can hear that is 35 00:01:54,600 --> 00:02:00,420 the band's at Bitcoin stage in the background. And we may have 36 00:02:00,420 --> 00:02:03,030 some special guests stopping by In fact, I believe we have 37 00:02:03,060 --> 00:02:04,830 chyron with us 38 00:02:05,550 --> 00:02:07,530 Kyrin Down: Yeah, absolutely. I'm here in the other room. 39 00:02:09,630 --> 00:02:11,280 Adam Curry: What room are you guys in? 40 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,640 Kyrin Down: So Dave was initially trying to actually do 41 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:18,930 it live from the bench at Bitcoin event around the corner? 42 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,510 Yeah, man that place was loud 43 00:02:24,300 --> 00:02:26,310 Adam Curry: you know when they were talking about us doing the 44 00:02:26,310 --> 00:02:29,490 board the board meeting from them like you that's that's 45 00:02:29,490 --> 00:02:33,750 gonna be pretty complicated. So yeah, I figured so what Where 46 00:02:33,750 --> 00:02:36,480 are you guys because I know you're not in Dave's Airbnb. 47 00:02:36,810 --> 00:02:40,680 Kyrin Down: No, so the sound engineer who works there believe 48 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,250 his name Steven he he is actually staying in the Embassy 49 00:02:44,250 --> 00:02:49,920 Suites so we're up in room 2514 got a pretty pretty decent view 50 00:02:49,920 --> 00:02:52,710 out the window here and yeah, just got some separate rooms 51 00:02:52,710 --> 00:02:52,980 here. 52 00:02:53,070 --> 00:02:55,290 Adam Curry: If you're if you want to troll them go to room 53 00:02:55,290 --> 00:03:00,120 2514 Everybody that's that's that's just docks yourself, man. 54 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:00,840 What are you doing? 55 00:03:01,980 --> 00:03:03,600 Kyrin Down: Well, it's not my right. It's not my room. So 56 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,870 Adam Curry: is there a lot of sound engineer underwear laying 57 00:03:06,870 --> 00:03:09,060 around? Is that Is that what it is? 58 00:03:09,570 --> 00:03:13,020 Kyrin Down: No. Oh, let's let's see. And here is some some one 59 00:03:13,020 --> 00:03:16,080 of those shoes the kind of barefoot shoes with the toes 60 00:03:19,110 --> 00:03:19,950 Dave Jones: rocks 61 00:03:22,260 --> 00:03:24,990 Adam Curry: sound engineer crocs No no, no, that's no good. 62 00:03:26,460 --> 00:03:29,220 Dave Jones: Oscar and Nick from fountain OH. 63 00:03:30,030 --> 00:03:30,660 Adam Curry: OH nine 64 00:03:30,690 --> 00:03:33,780 Dave Jones: they just rolled in. Let me see if their mic works. 65 00:03:33,810 --> 00:03:35,370 See if that mic works. Hello. 66 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,080 Adam Curry: Hey, is this awesome? Hey 67 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,480 Oscar Merry: Adam. Hey so let's go ahead wow 68 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,390 Adam Curry: it's like if a bomb fell on that hotel podcasting 69 00:03:42,390 --> 00:03:48,480 2.0 was over. We're all done for will wave to the board room 70 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,200 everyone's in there and everyone's excited. Once you 71 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,530 give us a little Dave give us a little update and or you know go 72 00:03:55,530 --> 00:03:58,380 around the room and talk about because you guys have been there 73 00:03:58,860 --> 00:04:01,890 since yesterday, I think right? Yeah, 74 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,470 Dave Jones: I left a left Birmingham and like right after 75 00:04:04,470 --> 00:04:08,250 work at like 515 or whatever la ran through the house kiss you 76 00:04:08,250 --> 00:04:11,730 know, kiss the wife and kids and we're like, out of there. And 77 00:04:11,730 --> 00:04:16,020 then it was like a it's usually like a two hour 15 minute drive 78 00:04:16,020 --> 00:04:20,280 or something from Birmingham to Nashville. And let me guess it 79 00:04:20,280 --> 00:04:26,550 took you three and a half. It was 353 15 Is it like it was 80 00:04:26,820 --> 00:04:31,140 there was like torrential downpours on and off through the 81 00:04:31,140 --> 00:04:34,560 whole drive in there was wrecks and all this kind of stuff so 82 00:04:34,620 --> 00:04:38,850 like it took a long time to get here but I rolled in a relevant 83 00:04:38,850 --> 00:04:42,270 to the Airbnb that I'm sharing with Kira, and last night I 84 00:04:42,270 --> 00:04:48,840 guess about 830 or so a 45 and then went over to the vinyl 85 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:54,690 lounge where wave lake was doing their live stream with a bunch 86 00:04:54,690 --> 00:05:01,380 of bands and walked in there and met chyron saw him and then met 87 00:05:01,380 --> 00:05:06,540 Nick, which I'd never met before. And then we went up 88 00:05:06,780 --> 00:05:10,050 like, then we just started like, hooking up with everybody. I 89 00:05:10,050 --> 00:05:13,350 mean there was Dobby Das. 90 00:05:13,410 --> 00:05:16,650 Adam Curry: Oh man. Oh, that's so awesome. Yeah, 91 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,810 Dave Jones: I tried to get Dobby das to come up here for the show 92 00:05:18,810 --> 00:05:22,680 and I was in ER Karen did and he said his response was kind of 93 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:22,860 like 94 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:33,090 Dobby Das is all over the place like he's doing. Like what he 95 00:05:33,090 --> 00:05:33,780 run and he's 96 00:05:33,780 --> 00:05:36,900 Adam Curry: got he's got sound going he's got now who is it? 97 00:05:36,900 --> 00:05:40,380 Okay, so let me just step back. So we have a band's a Bitcoin, 98 00:05:40,380 --> 00:05:44,520 which I've been watching since yesterday and retweeting and 99 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:48,450 boosting and trying to let everybody know about it. That's 100 00:05:48,450 --> 00:05:50,730 in the hotel that you're in right now. Right? Is it a 101 00:05:50,730 --> 00:05:52,890 ballroom? Or what kind of room is it? 102 00:05:53,490 --> 00:05:55,080 Dave Jones: What is it ask? It's like a, 103 00:05:55,260 --> 00:05:59,730 Oscar Merry: it's kind of like, just the lounge area on one of 104 00:05:59,730 --> 00:06:00,210 the floors 105 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:04,680 Adam Curry: kind of looks like a lounge chair. And I love that 106 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,160 they're doing it, but the backdrop is like, Okay, we need 107 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,290 it. We could have used a little bit of set dressing there. 108 00:06:11,430 --> 00:06:15,600 Dave Jones: It's literally in the corner of like, the fourth 109 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:16,680 floor restaurant. 110 00:06:16,740 --> 00:06:19,350 Adam Curry: Yeah, that's it sounds great, though. I mean, if 111 00:06:19,350 --> 00:06:23,670 you listen to it, I mean, whoever's doing sound is doing a 112 00:06:23,670 --> 00:06:24,570 good job. 113 00:06:25,050 --> 00:06:28,110 Dave Jones: They get the gas or the guy that's doing sound or is 114 00:06:28,110 --> 00:06:30,060 doing all the AV Steven. 115 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,210 Oscar Merry: Yeah, I think. Yeah. 116 00:06:33,990 --> 00:06:35,010 Adam Curry: room you're in now. 117 00:06:35,370 --> 00:06:41,490 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, we're gonna. Like, the plan was like, 118 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:45,480 the plan was just, this is this is like, not like any trip that 119 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,990 I ever do. I'm like a hyper planner. I usually have 120 00:06:48,990 --> 00:06:50,580 everything figured out to the 121 00:06:50,610 --> 00:06:53,040 Adam Curry: degree. In fact, I'm amazed that you're that you're 122 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,790 speaking to me at all. Because if something's not planned, Dave 123 00:06:56,790 --> 00:06:58,470 typically is like, I'm not going to do it. 124 00:07:00,060 --> 00:07:03,570 Dave Jones: So like for this trip, I'm like, I'm trying to go 125 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,890 within the spirit of chyron and just like winging it, and it is 126 00:07:07,890 --> 00:07:10,710 the most uncomfortable thing in the whole world. So I told Oscar 127 00:07:11,100 --> 00:07:14,190 last night I'm like, Yeah, I'm just gonna like show up at the 128 00:07:14,250 --> 00:07:17,400 Embassy Suites tomorrow and just like figure out if we can do the 129 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,550 show from there. Because I was thinking it might be cool to 130 00:07:20,550 --> 00:07:23,730 have the ambiance of like bands at Bitcoin in the background and 131 00:07:23,730 --> 00:07:24,600 to be able to like yeah, 132 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,470 Adam Curry: we have here it is like There we go. That's Alicia 133 00:07:28,470 --> 00:07:31,350 Stockman on stage right now, everybody. So 134 00:07:31,350 --> 00:07:33,540 Dave Jones: you're doing it through the sea. I was going for 135 00:07:33,540 --> 00:07:36,750 real ambiance which is not incompatible. Well, no, 136 00:07:36,780 --> 00:07:40,050 Adam Curry: no, no, that will not work. Particularly not with 137 00:07:40,050 --> 00:07:42,060 the noise gate. Now it won't work at all. 138 00:07:42,450 --> 00:07:44,190 Dave Jones: And I was thinking like, I had this I have this 139 00:07:44,190 --> 00:07:47,070 shotgun mic, the one that Oscar is using right now. 140 00:07:47,670 --> 00:07:50,820 Adam Curry: Are you ambiance sound with that? Yeah, so 141 00:07:50,820 --> 00:07:52,680 Dave Jones: I will, I was gonna, I was thinking, Okay, this 142 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,010 thing's directional. So maybe I can sit over here in the corner 143 00:07:56,010 --> 00:07:59,580 behind the wall and catch a little bit of the of the music 144 00:07:59,610 --> 00:08:02,850 and then also do the show. And I'm like, Okay, this is working. 145 00:08:02,850 --> 00:08:05,670 I'm catching some music. Like I'm catching some ambiance here. 146 00:08:05,940 --> 00:08:11,250 And then they did the soundcheck and it was like, No, this is 147 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,460 undoable, which I'm sure like as soon as I told you that in a 148 00:08:14,460 --> 00:08:17,070 signal, you were like laughing your head off. And I 149 00:08:17,070 --> 00:08:19,260 Adam Curry: was like, yeah, that kind of makes sense. But then 150 00:08:19,260 --> 00:08:22,230 the way the signal message read I'm like, you know use like the 151 00:08:22,230 --> 00:08:25,860 Wi Fi at the Airbnb is no good. And like, well, maybe, maybe we 152 00:08:25,860 --> 00:08:28,380 won't be doing a show. I don't know what's happening. I was 153 00:08:28,380 --> 00:08:31,410 literally just sitting here. You know, going through emails 154 00:08:31,410 --> 00:08:34,440 looking at the whoever was on stage and then you popped up on 155 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,840 the clean feed. I'm like, Oh, well, there you go. 156 00:08:37,230 --> 00:08:39,840 Dave Jones: Yeah. Even was Stephen was like, he was trying 157 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,000 to help us get everything set up. And then he's like, Hey, 158 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,970 man, if you just want to like use my room, here's my card key. 159 00:08:44,970 --> 00:08:49,800 Just go use it. And I'm like, Cool. This is a cool room. Like 160 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:55,200 it's got this whole little, like, lobby in the room. Does 161 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:56,850 the elevators like a green roof? Does 162 00:08:56,850 --> 00:08:59,280 Adam Curry: the elevator open up into the room itself was a one 163 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,470 of those. That's my favorite. 164 00:09:01,710 --> 00:09:03,720 Dave Jones: That's Oscar nickname because they have the 165 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,340 big money. So 166 00:09:05,340 --> 00:09:07,590 Adam Curry: I know Oscar and Nick have limited time guys. 167 00:09:07,590 --> 00:09:10,110 First of all, I'm so I'm so happy that you're here. I'm glad 168 00:09:10,110 --> 00:09:13,200 you made it safe from presume you came in from the UK. 169 00:09:14,310 --> 00:09:17,460 Oscar Merry: Yeah, that's right. We flew in the night before 170 00:09:17,460 --> 00:09:23,250 last. Yeah, yesterday was quite a tiring day. I think Dave when 171 00:09:23,250 --> 00:09:26,880 we were talking just interrupted me at one point and said Oscar, 172 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:31,890 he looks so tired. Go to bed so on. Yeah, but no, it's been it's 173 00:09:31,890 --> 00:09:36,090 been really fun. And the bands or Bitcoin thing, I think has 174 00:09:36,090 --> 00:09:40,800 been a really good showcase of all of the live items. And yeah, 175 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,620 it's been so great to meet people from podcast index dot 176 00:09:43,620 --> 00:09:48,060 social. I feel like everybody is here. That's been really really 177 00:09:48,060 --> 00:09:48,450 cool. 178 00:09:48,660 --> 00:09:50,550 Adam Curry: Yeah. So have you now have you been to the 179 00:09:50,550 --> 00:09:54,150 conference at all? Have you have you been inside? The big the big 180 00:09:54,150 --> 00:09:54,720 venue? 181 00:09:56,220 --> 00:09:59,760 Oscar Merry: Not too much. To be honest. I do have a ticket. But 182 00:09:59,790 --> 00:10:02,490 I've mostly been at the bands at Bitcoin event. I went in there 183 00:10:02,490 --> 00:10:05,610 for about an hour yesterday, but it was mostly Industry Day 184 00:10:05,610 --> 00:10:10,050 Bitcoin mining stuff. Yeah, but I plan to go today. I 185 00:10:10,050 --> 00:10:11,910 Nick: think you're speaking tomorrow as well, right? Yeah, 186 00:10:11,910 --> 00:10:12,120 I'm 187 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:17,250 Oscar Merry: doing a panel tomorrow with Sam from wavelike. 188 00:10:17,670 --> 00:10:22,170 And Jim, as well, just talking about some of the music stuff 189 00:10:22,170 --> 00:10:23,610 that's happening. So that should be good. 190 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,950 Adam Curry: Yeah, I'm a little disappointed that you showed up 191 00:10:25,950 --> 00:10:27,930 there. And you still haven't done the demo for the new 192 00:10:27,930 --> 00:10:31,020 wallets. I mean, do you not have time on the plane to put that 193 00:10:31,020 --> 00:10:31,500 together? 194 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,690 Oscar Merry: To be honest, the blocker is a classic blocker is 195 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:41,070 just getting access to strike because Oh, really? Oh, no. 196 00:10:41,070 --> 00:10:45,660 Because what happened was I was on the beta version. 197 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,160 Integration. Yeah, I've currently and fountain. They 198 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,910 weren't live in the UK, but they sent me like a beta version. So 199 00:10:53,910 --> 00:10:56,910 I could test the OAuth flow. This was at the end of last 200 00:10:56,910 --> 00:11:02,070 year. Now that it's launched, so I can sign up but I'm in this 201 00:11:02,070 --> 00:11:05,670 kind of like middle ground of my account settings, so I can't 202 00:11:05,670 --> 00:11:08,970 actually Okay, so I have an issue of strike right now. But 203 00:11:08,970 --> 00:11:12,210 yeah, I'm definitely going to work on that. Okay. Yeah. I 204 00:11:12,210 --> 00:11:14,970 mean, if anyone else wants to have a go at it as well. 205 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,760 Dave Jones: Don't let it don't let Oscar stop anyone else from 206 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:24,390 doing Yeah. 207 00:11:25,470 --> 00:11:27,420 Adam Curry: Dave, where did you go? Do you go to the bathroom? 208 00:11:27,450 --> 00:11:28,470 You like your 209 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,680 Dave Jones: I'm sharing my mic. Whoa, okay. 210 00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:34,290 Adam Curry: I'm trying to figure out what's going on. It looks it 211 00:11:34,290 --> 00:11:34,680 looks like 212 00:11:34,680 --> 00:11:38,370 Dave Jones: me and Nick are doing like, like live? Yeah, 213 00:11:38,370 --> 00:11:46,050 like live at Dolby. I'm Kenny Rogers and he's Dolly Parton. 214 00:11:46,770 --> 00:11:49,500 Dolby Das. I just took the liberty to minute named myself 215 00:11:49,500 --> 00:11:51,420 as Kenny Rogers as the guy so Dobby 216 00:11:51,420 --> 00:11:54,810 Adam Curry: dasa is in the in the boardroom. He says he's 217 00:11:54,810 --> 00:11:59,100 going to come up is it 2514? Is that the room number 25. 218 00:11:59,550 --> 00:12:02,100 Kyrin Down: I'm actually right next to a bed so if he wants to 219 00:12:02,100 --> 00:12:04,740 lounge next to it. The mic is set up so you can 220 00:12:07,290 --> 00:12:10,170 Adam Curry: take a picture somebody take a picture. We need 221 00:12:10,170 --> 00:12:11,730 this for posterity sake. 222 00:12:12,750 --> 00:12:17,220 Dave Jones: Yeah. WDS knock on the door. It will let you let 223 00:12:17,220 --> 00:12:19,380 you into Stephens room that we barely know. 224 00:12:20,670 --> 00:12:23,670 Adam Curry: So let me toss it back to chyron because you came 225 00:12:23,670 --> 00:12:26,040 in Now You didn't come in from Australia. You came in from 226 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:27,120 somewhere else, didn't you? 227 00:12:27,540 --> 00:12:28,080 Nick: Yeah, 228 00:12:28,110 --> 00:12:30,870 Kyrin Down: I came in from Brazil. So I had three flights 229 00:12:30,870 --> 00:12:34,770 to get so 20 hours in the air was what was going on in Brazil. 230 00:12:35,370 --> 00:12:38,160 Everything. That's where that's where the whole the cool stuffs 231 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,010 happening. It's actually just much warmer than going in 232 00:12:41,010 --> 00:12:41,520 Australia. 233 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,390 Adam Curry: That goes without you guys. I haven't like, like, 234 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,440 unprecedented snow somewhere in Australia. I heard. Yeah, 235 00:12:49,470 --> 00:12:51,540 Kyrin Down: that that would make sense. Because Brisbane is 236 00:12:51,540 --> 00:12:55,260 freezing at the moment. And yeah, it's I'm still waiting for 237 00:12:55,260 --> 00:12:56,190 all this global warming. 238 00:12:57,450 --> 00:12:59,700 Adam Curry: It's kind of funny because I think Krypton lives in 239 00:12:59,700 --> 00:13:02,340 Brisbane and he didn't mention that it was freezing cold. 240 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,080 Kyrin Down: Yeah, he's upon there. So 241 00:13:06,570 --> 00:13:09,360 Adam Curry: that's prisoner of Mother England, everybody. 242 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,480 Kyrin Down: So the other cool thing with here is just all the 243 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:20,700 unexpected people so last night those Eric peepee Oh, nice. I 244 00:13:21,210 --> 00:13:24,060 met up with TJ door full so he showed me around I met a whole 245 00:13:24,060 --> 00:13:28,140 bunch of the duffles got to see the mega church the lifepoint 246 00:13:28,140 --> 00:13:29,250 you know that's their 247 00:13:29,250 --> 00:13:33,570 Adam Curry: church. Yeah, fantastic. Oh, this is I'm I'm 248 00:13:33,570 --> 00:13:35,700 like jealous now. Yeah, 249 00:13:35,730 --> 00:13:37,710 Kyrin Down: some place to be. Yeah, well 250 00:13:37,710 --> 00:13:44,610 Dave Jones: did. See. Who else do we meet? Roy was Jersey 251 00:13:44,610 --> 00:13:47,160 horror of course there. Yeah. Dirty jersey. Horror is like 12 252 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:47,880 feet tall. 253 00:13:48,060 --> 00:13:50,040 Adam Curry: I know. No, I've met him. I met him. I've met him 254 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,340 before he is he's a big dude for sure. And he was 255 00:13:53,340 --> 00:13:55,890 Dave Jones: like, he was like Hey, have you met so and so I'm 256 00:13:55,890 --> 00:14:00,060 like no, I haven't seen them and he's like I'll go get them and 257 00:14:00,060 --> 00:14:02,850 he like they don't have when dirty Jersey horror wants to 258 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:04,620 bring you somewhere you don't have a choice? 259 00:14:04,650 --> 00:14:07,110 Adam Curry: No, no, you're just going oh, let me check. You're 260 00:14:07,110 --> 00:14:09,780 going let me see what's going on on the stage here 261 00:14:09,930 --> 00:14:11,580 Dave Jones: bringing people to me or 262 00:14:13,020 --> 00:14:15,510 Adam Curry: lingo What are they doing here? But it was really 263 00:14:15,510 --> 00:14:19,860 nice to talk to people and excitement Alicia Stockman who's 264 00:14:19,860 --> 00:14:23,550 on stage I don't know and she has the most Nashville outfit 265 00:14:23,610 --> 00:14:27,780 outfit you can imagine she's got no the cut off cut off jeans 266 00:14:27,780 --> 00:14:29,460 with white boots. 267 00:14:30,750 --> 00:14:32,250 Dave Jones: Does she ever had that when she No 268 00:14:32,250 --> 00:14:34,320 Adam Curry: she doesn't she should who's on stage though 269 00:14:34,350 --> 00:14:37,260 who's just talking to her here in the same row? Right we got 270 00:14:37,260 --> 00:14:42,810 fountain wave is that is that Costello also been Maxine canto 271 00:14:42,810 --> 00:14:46,740 about Bitcoin coming up next. It's an epic epic show. Epic 272 00:14:46,740 --> 00:14:49,860 weekend. So this is great. Joining us almost like being 273 00:14:49,860 --> 00:14:53,220 there to wrap up for a few minutes here. Yeah, go ahead, 274 00:14:53,220 --> 00:14:54,180 Dave. So that's like 275 00:14:54,180 --> 00:14:58,470 Dave Jones: to know 28 That's 23 floors down from where we are 276 00:14:58,470 --> 00:15:02,040 now our 2021 floors down for where we are at now, but I like 277 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,080 faking like we're right there in the room with them. That's a 278 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:04,740 nice I gotta 279 00:15:04,740 --> 00:15:13,800 Adam Curry: tell you in 1997 Molson ice beer was my client 280 00:15:13,890 --> 00:15:18,330 that was on ramp for camping new ideas. And they had a promotion 281 00:15:18,330 --> 00:15:24,960 called the polar the polar ice beach party. And they did a big 282 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,860 promotion, a national promotion. And we took 100 Prize winners to 283 00:15:28,860 --> 00:15:33,480 the North Pole. And there was a live concert with Metallica 284 00:15:35,850 --> 00:15:41,130 hole, which at the time was Courtney Love was the other band 285 00:15:43,350 --> 00:15:49,380 Veruca Salt and and forgot about that band? Yeah. And so we we 286 00:15:49,380 --> 00:15:52,710 cyber cast that live. And the way that worked back in those 287 00:15:52,710 --> 00:15:56,760 days is we had we called the roadblocks. And we had this this 288 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:01,740 big flightcase. And it had 24 modems in it. And we had an 289 00:16:01,740 --> 00:16:05,040 identical flightcase back at the office in New York. And so we 290 00:16:05,250 --> 00:16:08,760 were able to get I think we got about 18 phone lines, we weren't 291 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:13,200 able to get 24 and we multiplex them through this box. 292 00:16:14,310 --> 00:16:16,230 Dave Jones: Were these ISDN? No, it 293 00:16:16,230 --> 00:16:18,450 Adam Curry: was just it was just regular phone lines. It was 294 00:16:18,450 --> 00:16:22,230 Potts and but we had all these modems. So each modem had, you 295 00:16:22,230 --> 00:16:26,220 know, supposedly 56k. And we just multiplex them, and then we 296 00:16:26,220 --> 00:16:29,550 do D mux them on the other end. And so we were able to send 297 00:16:29,850 --> 00:16:33,720 video and audio from the North Pole. And now I'm looking at, 298 00:16:34,050 --> 00:16:37,800 you know, I just walk into my office and my studio I sit down, 299 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:42,450 I flip up clean feed, you know, I flip up the fountain, fountain 300 00:16:42,450 --> 00:16:46,350 data fan page with the with the band. I mean, it's amazing how 301 00:16:46,350 --> 00:16:49,860 much we can do. I mean, it's I'm just want to stop for a second 302 00:16:49,860 --> 00:16:52,590 and think how awesome that really is. 303 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:57,540 Dave Jones: Yeah, it's it's totally written like we're the 304 00:16:57,540 --> 00:17:02,400 fount? If so. Did you did you put that page together 305 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,460 specifically Oscar for specifically for the film live 306 00:17:05,460 --> 00:17:08,520 page specifically for this event? Or is that the same page 307 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,970 that you've been running for, like Jupiter and all that stuff? 308 00:17:12,390 --> 00:17:16,710 Oscar Merry: Yeah, we've been testing that live page for maybe 309 00:17:16,860 --> 00:17:22,350 like, three or four months. But we haven't really kind of pushed 310 00:17:22,350 --> 00:17:26,640 it too widely, because there's still a few things that we need 311 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,420 to get right with it. One of the things that yeah, we want to do 312 00:17:30,420 --> 00:17:35,400 is also show like the live chat using nosto. But it's just been 313 00:17:36,090 --> 00:17:38,550 quite a lot of work to get that all working. But yeah, we've 314 00:17:38,550 --> 00:17:41,730 been testing it with Chris from Jupiter broadcasting. And I 315 00:17:41,730 --> 00:17:44,910 think that these kinds of live concerts so 316 00:17:44,940 --> 00:17:48,510 Adam Curry: so if so Oscar tomorrow at I think two o'clock, 317 00:17:48,510 --> 00:17:50,970 I'm doing boosted Graham ball live, and I'm going to be 318 00:17:50,970 --> 00:17:55,650 streaming video. Will that also be able to go into this live 319 00:17:55,650 --> 00:17:57,630 page? Yeah, 320 00:17:57,660 --> 00:18:02,250 Oscar Merry: that should work. The only thing to be aware of is 321 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:08,310 the chat is powered by noster. You can just create the noster 322 00:18:08,310 --> 00:18:14,610 live chat directly from the fountain live page. So yeah, if 323 00:18:14,610 --> 00:18:17,730 you want to turn that on, you can or you can just use it 324 00:18:17,730 --> 00:18:22,590 without the live page and it will support it now. 325 00:18:22,620 --> 00:18:25,710 Adam Curry: Now now will but will my video who's routing my 326 00:18:25,710 --> 00:18:30,750 video into this page? Is that going through the Costello? 327 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:37,590 Industries? I don't know whether because they're getting my M 328 00:18:37,590 --> 00:18:40,530 three u eight, video feed or whatever it is. 329 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,100 Dave Jones: Where's the like? Is that a separate RSS feed that 330 00:18:44,100 --> 00:18:44,700 you put together? 331 00:18:44,700 --> 00:18:48,570 Adam Curry: No, I'm just I was just gonna use the So Julian and 332 00:18:48,570 --> 00:18:51,870 Jim. They just said we just need your your M was at the m mu 333 00:18:51,870 --> 00:18:54,450 three, eight or something. Whatever it is, whatever comes 334 00:18:54,450 --> 00:18:56,220 up the cloud Cloudflare. 335 00:18:56,610 --> 00:18:58,530 Dave Jones: They're just going to put your video stream in the 336 00:18:58,530 --> 00:19:01,200 bands that Bitcoin fee. I guess what it sounds like? Yeah, I 337 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:01,560 hope so. 338 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,630 Oscar Merry: Yeah, that makes sense. And that's, that's 339 00:19:03,630 --> 00:19:07,050 delivered us with RSS blue is taking all of that. So all of 340 00:19:07,050 --> 00:19:08,670 the feeds for the event. 341 00:19:09,900 --> 00:19:12,570 Adam Curry: So I have no idea how splits will work but 342 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,940 something else something WDS 343 00:19:14,940 --> 00:19:17,010 Dave Jones: was doing it by hand last night. I mean, like as new 344 00:19:17,010 --> 00:19:20,730 press as his phone out. And as new people came up on the stage. 345 00:19:20,730 --> 00:19:24,630 He was like, oh, wait a minute. You just tapped it on his phone. 346 00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:27,000 I was like, Are you doing it by hand? He's like, Yeah, that's 347 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,430 what we're gonna do it. I was like, Well, I love it. I 348 00:19:29,430 --> 00:19:32,010 Adam Curry: love it. I love this. So awesome. It's amazing. 349 00:19:32,010 --> 00:19:34,440 The things that we're doing here. I mean, it really is 350 00:19:35,250 --> 00:19:37,170 Dave Jones: funny that it takes a second to figure that out. 351 00:19:37,170 --> 00:19:39,450 Like you ask a simple question. Like, where's the video coming 352 00:19:39,450 --> 00:19:43,050 from? Yeah, and like there's so many parts to this. You're like, 353 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,360 wait, I'm not sure. Where is it coming from? Like, 354 00:19:45,900 --> 00:19:49,440 Unknown: I don't know if I know. Yeah, exactly. So 355 00:19:49,710 --> 00:19:52,050 Dave Jones: we've never had you on the show. Exactly. to like 356 00:19:52,050 --> 00:19:55,290 tell it. Yeah, tell. Tell us what what you do if um, 357 00:19:56,100 --> 00:19:59,790 Nick: yeah, so I guess you know, with Oscar being more on the 358 00:19:59,790 --> 00:20:03,240 tech aside, I'm really more on like growth, marketing and also 359 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,850 increasingly product as well. I mean, there's only three of us 360 00:20:05,850 --> 00:20:08,430 working full time on fountain. So we all do a lot of different 361 00:20:08,430 --> 00:20:13,920 things. So a typical day for me is like, yeah, working on new 362 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,800 designs in figma, like thinking about how we can improve the UX 363 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:21,180 like added new features, beta testing, you know, working with 364 00:20:21,180 --> 00:20:24,480 podcasters, working with artists, and also thinking about 365 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:28,590 Yeah, how we can drive new user acquisition and get the app out 366 00:20:28,590 --> 00:20:31,410 to more people. So it's a real mix, to be honest. 367 00:20:31,650 --> 00:20:33,840 Adam Curry: Yeah, no, I really love because I'm pretty sure 368 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,230 you're responsible for the weekly top 10 shows and top 10 369 00:20:37,230 --> 00:20:42,450 episodes is such a joy to see that. But mainly because I made 370 00:20:42,450 --> 00:20:46,320 it three times. Pretty awesome. But I know that you've also 371 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:50,970 worked with, with Jimmy Pruitt on living up in a down world, 372 00:20:50,970 --> 00:20:53,760 and you've I think you've talked with him and, you know, it's 373 00:20:53,820 --> 00:20:57,660 it's, uh, people don't really talk enough about the customer 374 00:20:57,660 --> 00:21:02,070 service part. That happens both on the podcast hosting side, but 375 00:21:02,070 --> 00:21:04,650 also certainly with with what fountain is doing, it's to be 376 00:21:04,650 --> 00:21:08,310 commended. It really is. Because, you know, he's, he's a 377 00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:10,500 newbie to all this. And he's like, wow, you know, there's 378 00:21:10,500 --> 00:21:13,920 these guys out there. And Nick is really helpful and trying to 379 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,980 get stuff done. And it's a really appreciate you, man, 380 00:21:17,070 --> 00:21:19,440 James, I'm standing in yours. Sorry about that. 381 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,190 Nick: I think a lot of podcasters get started and they 382 00:21:23,220 --> 00:21:26,220 blame their podcasts. And they don't talk to anyone, they don't 383 00:21:26,220 --> 00:21:29,580 really reading the materials, because it all feels very, like 384 00:21:29,580 --> 00:21:31,860 very technical. There's a lot to learn. And all it really takes 385 00:21:31,860 --> 00:21:34,080 is a simple conversation with someone just to understand, 386 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,630 like, you know, what are you trying to do? Like, what are you 387 00:21:36,630 --> 00:21:39,180 doing currently? Like, how what are you trying to get from 388 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,810 podcasting? 2.0 Because I think everyone wants different things. 389 00:21:42,810 --> 00:21:45,510 Some people come more from a monetization standpoint, some 390 00:21:45,510 --> 00:21:48,600 people come from, you know, the point of fan engagement, 391 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,910 audience engagement. And some people are just curious about 392 00:21:50,910 --> 00:21:53,910 the technology. Some people just come because someone told them 393 00:21:53,910 --> 00:21:56,250 to come. And so that really takes a bit of digging them to 394 00:21:56,250 --> 00:21:58,440 understand that. Okay, cool. Well, let's, let's just explain 395 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,290 it, you know, get you set up. And yeah, conversation 396 00:22:01,290 --> 00:22:02,280 definitely goes a long way. 397 00:22:04,020 --> 00:22:08,490 Dave Jones: What's the there's the third person at fountain? 398 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:09,930 Who's number three. 399 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,380 Oscar Merry: So Tom is the other developer that works on the app. 400 00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:17,430 Okay, with me. So yeah, we split out the tech side is 401 00:22:17,460 --> 00:22:20,340 Dave Jones: it seems like that, you know, a bunch of so many 402 00:22:20,340 --> 00:22:24,540 podcast apps are run by just like one one person. And it 403 00:22:24,540 --> 00:22:30,750 feels like, I'm curious. When you make the move from one to 404 00:22:31,020 --> 00:22:35,280 two people, it feels like that's probably I'm just imagining 405 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,610 that's such a relief to be able to split some of the workload, 406 00:22:38,610 --> 00:22:42,150 because if it's just like people, some that developers 407 00:22:42,150 --> 00:22:45,570 like Franco and Marco and these guys that are just it's purely 408 00:22:45,570 --> 00:22:51,480 them, like having to handle to handle support emails, and to 409 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,330 handle the tech and do the marketing. It just seems like 410 00:22:54,330 --> 00:22:57,960 it's just like, the day that you're able to offload some of 411 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,640 that seems like it would be a joy. 412 00:22:59,910 --> 00:23:03,390 Oscar Merry: Yeah, exactly. And I think what's even more 413 00:23:03,390 --> 00:23:09,270 difficult, and because, obviously, fountain is the 414 00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:14,070 mobile app, which is a podcast that but it's also the back end, 415 00:23:14,100 --> 00:23:18,150 and it's also the payments and the wallet as well. And, you 416 00:23:18,150 --> 00:23:21,210 know, this kind of goes back to what we've been talking about 417 00:23:21,210 --> 00:23:24,630 over the past few weeks and months with making it easier for 418 00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:29,280 app developers like we as fountain don't want to have to 419 00:23:29,310 --> 00:23:34,260 manage all of the payments and you know, manage, you know, the 420 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,310 user balances in the wallets, which we currently do, you know, 421 00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:42,900 it's an incredible amount of work. And so the more that we 422 00:23:42,900 --> 00:23:47,910 can offload that to these providers, the easier it gets. 423 00:23:47,910 --> 00:23:52,440 So, yeah, it's a lot of work. And I also think, this event 424 00:23:52,500 --> 00:23:57,660 bands that Bitcoin has really highlighted for me how, you 425 00:23:57,660 --> 00:24:02,730 know, one app or product or company cannot do everything, 426 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:08,340 like a good level, cannot do everything. Well, we need more 427 00:24:08,370 --> 00:24:13,830 developers, we need more apps, kind of like targeting a real 428 00:24:13,860 --> 00:24:17,460 niche. And then we can all kind of work together on our own, 429 00:24:17,490 --> 00:24:22,530 like parts of the experience. Amen. Great example of that. So 430 00:24:22,530 --> 00:24:25,620 yeah, hopefully, we start to bring in, you know, more 431 00:24:25,620 --> 00:24:29,160 developers and have new experiences, because yet, you 432 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,660 know, we're competing against Spotify, Apple podcasts, you 433 00:24:33,660 --> 00:24:39,240 know, no, one single app is going to be able to do that. But 434 00:24:39,270 --> 00:24:42,630 all of us together, each kind of splitting things up and creating 435 00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:46,560 different flavors of like, you know, podcasts listening 436 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,140 experience, music listening experience. I think that's where 437 00:24:49,140 --> 00:24:51,960 we have real power and it's something that actually they 438 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,650 can't replicate because they're just one company. Well, 439 00:24:55,650 --> 00:24:59,610 Adam Curry: and let me let me just say that I don't really see 440 00:24:59,700 --> 00:25:03,570 pod Testing 2.0 Being in competition with Spotify and 441 00:25:03,570 --> 00:25:08,370 with with Apple, I mean, I see my op three stats, I see what 442 00:25:08,370 --> 00:25:13,470 apps are being used the most, or the first significant amount, 443 00:25:13,470 --> 00:25:16,950 and it's really down to each podcaster you know, each each 444 00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:20,760 podcaster. And I promote this on no agenda, every single show, I 445 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,580 said, you know, Hey, you don't want to be using the legacy apps 446 00:25:23,580 --> 00:25:27,180 use the new stuff. And particularly, I think, one of 447 00:25:27,180 --> 00:25:32,010 right now, one of our main unique propositions is the live 448 00:25:32,010 --> 00:25:36,660 stuff. I mean, this is what's happening here is amazing. And 449 00:25:36,660 --> 00:25:40,440 it's and it also shows that we're much more than just a 450 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,870 bunch of people who are building apps. I mean, it's a true 451 00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:47,430 community effort, you know, between the 2.0 native guys on 452 00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:51,900 the hosting side, and and and the apps I mean, it this there's 453 00:25:51,930 --> 00:25:54,420 there's really something going on here and people gravitate 454 00:25:54,420 --> 00:25:56,400 towards that. Man 455 00:25:57,360 --> 00:25:59,370 Dave Jones: who who has just showed up? 456 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,030 Adam Curry: Hey, Adam, hey, Dobie Das. Do you have your 457 00:26:03,030 --> 00:26:04,830 Swiss Army splits knife with you? 458 00:26:05,910 --> 00:26:09,060 Dovydas: I do have a similar Yeah, I'm just pulling in for a 459 00:26:09,060 --> 00:26:11,550 few minutes. Yeah, say hi to everyone. 460 00:26:11,580 --> 00:26:13,560 Adam Curry: Hey, brother. Thank you for what you're doing. I 461 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,380 hear you're doing the splits live on the fly from your phone. 462 00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:17,580 Yeah, 463 00:26:17,610 --> 00:26:21,150 Dovydas: absolutely. Yeah, I just want to thank everyone who 464 00:26:21,150 --> 00:26:26,910 has been boosting and even zapping Also, thanks to all the 465 00:26:26,910 --> 00:26:31,260 people who are yeah monitoring the audio quality like I have 466 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:37,590 then messages from Mike Newman like every day about your audio 467 00:26:38,670 --> 00:26:40,770 and then he sends like 50,000 SATs 468 00:26:42,780 --> 00:26:46,080 Dave Jones: Yeah, that's that's the that's the Oreo. You know, 469 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:50,880 you get the cream on top. You You You You say your sound sucks 470 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,740 but here's 50,000 says Now 471 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,530 Adam Curry: what what wallets? Is everybody using Adobe? Does 472 00:26:55,530 --> 00:26:58,260 everybody have fountain wallets? Are there still some Aldi 473 00:26:58,260 --> 00:27:00,060 wallets out there? What are people who say, 474 00:27:00,330 --> 00:27:03,030 Dovydas: I'll be wallets and fountain wallets? Yeah, that's I 475 00:27:03,030 --> 00:27:07,230 think all of them are either one of these. I haven't seen many 476 00:27:07,230 --> 00:27:10,770 artists who use their own notes. But yeah, we've had some 477 00:27:10,770 --> 00:27:14,340 problems yesterday with all be but that has been all fixed. And 478 00:27:14,340 --> 00:27:16,230 yeah, it's been very smooth. Awesome. 479 00:27:16,260 --> 00:27:18,690 Adam Curry: Brother moss is out tomorrow. I'm going live at two 480 00:27:18,690 --> 00:27:23,790 o'clock with booster Graham ball with video. And I don't know, I 481 00:27:23,790 --> 00:27:27,180 may be playing songs. I don't know if you can. how that's 482 00:27:27,180 --> 00:27:30,450 gonna work with the splits. I mean, I'll be using my regular 483 00:27:30,450 --> 00:27:34,380 feed and I'll be using the split kit to broadcast Yeah, 484 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,730 Dovydas: yeah, I don't know you can also do is we have this 485 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,410 weird thing in house where people can who are attending in 486 00:27:43,410 --> 00:27:48,900 person, they can go to this page, where we listen to for 487 00:27:49,380 --> 00:27:52,920 wallets, witches. And basically they can use any lightning 488 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,930 wallet to send offsets to this one wallet, which then forwards 489 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,650 the stats to all the splits. Like a split forwarding service 490 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,640 by it's not a pure, you know, split solution. But that's the 491 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,280 best we can do for people who don't have the podcast apps 492 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:08,880 installed. 493 00:28:08,910 --> 00:28:10,620 Adam Curry: Sure What page is that? 494 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:16,260 Dovydas: So for example, for today, we are using Lightning 495 00:28:16,350 --> 00:28:21,390 dot phantom power music.io. So long URL, 496 00:28:21,870 --> 00:28:24,960 Dave Jones: is that is that what was his that was what was linked 497 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,810 on the page? That's correct. Yeah. divinyl lounge last. Yes. 498 00:28:27,810 --> 00:28:32,820 Dovydas: So for yesterday, it was paid.to insert.io. Yeah, 499 00:28:32,850 --> 00:28:36,660 which is kind of like identical service. So what happens there 500 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:43,830 is on that page, we listen for a live while switching. And then 501 00:28:43,890 --> 00:28:48,030 we allow the people boosting to enter their name message. We 502 00:28:48,030 --> 00:28:52,410 generate a lightning invoice. And we also embed the split 503 00:28:52,410 --> 00:28:57,180 information on the all the backend API. And then once we 504 00:28:57,180 --> 00:29:00,120 receive the SATs, we just forward them to all the splitter 505 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:00,630 Sapiens 506 00:29:00,660 --> 00:29:02,820 Adam Curry: Oh, this is interesting. Okay, so I'm on 507 00:29:02,820 --> 00:29:07,530 this page now. And now I'm going to pay this invoice by just 508 00:29:07,530 --> 00:29:10,620 scanning the QR code let me just see how that works. Is 509 00:29:10,620 --> 00:29:15,000 Dave Jones: this Is that similar to what Steven B was doing? Like 510 00:29:15,330 --> 00:29:19,950 in the original split kit, where you pop up a QR code sounds 511 00:29:19,980 --> 00:29:20,490 payment 512 00:29:20,580 --> 00:29:22,470 Adam Curry: that sounds like an actual 513 00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:23,160 Dave Jones: payment for I'm 514 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,630 Dovydas: not sure I think for the QR codes that Steven was 515 00:29:27,630 --> 00:29:31,470 using I think they were just redirecting to the website okay, 516 00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:34,860 yeah, teachers you know Connect are all be wallet because for 517 00:29:34,860 --> 00:29:40,020 this we need to use a wallet where we listen for the incoming 518 00:29:40,020 --> 00:29:40,680 payments 519 00:29:40,860 --> 00:29:44,430 Dave Jones: and once you for you you realize that we right yeah, 520 00:29:44,430 --> 00:29:44,760 okay. 521 00:29:45,150 --> 00:29:48,990 Adam Curry: It's not a pure Yep. So I just I just sent 10,000 522 00:29:48,990 --> 00:29:52,920 SATs through the bands at Bitcoin with a lightning invoice 523 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:57,090 Dovydas: you go to Live dot phantom power music.io Hopefully 524 00:29:57,090 --> 00:29:59,400 it's that's going to show up there. Okay, let 525 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,160 Dave Jones: me see. Showing up last night. I did it from the 526 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,680 screen last night I show that pretty quick music. 527 00:30:05,670 --> 00:30:09,270 Adam Curry: So we have like, yeah, okay, yes, switching 528 00:30:09,270 --> 00:30:11,880 Dovydas: to 15 seconds to the auto view where the individual 529 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,480 boosts are shown. Yep, I can see Adam curry has boosting from 530 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,250 Texas to Nashville. Wow. Thank you 531 00:30:20,010 --> 00:30:22,500 Adam Curry: picked the wrong weekend to give up weed man. 532 00:30:25,950 --> 00:30:30,270 Dave Jones: It was awesome last night like WDS had a had like a 533 00:30:30,270 --> 00:30:33,090 projector setup with a big screen show in the booths and 534 00:30:33,090 --> 00:30:36,450 zaps as they were coming in, like during the show. And you 535 00:30:36,450 --> 00:30:39,570 could just like stop by and grab a QR code and pay it it was it 536 00:30:39,570 --> 00:30:40,950 was so rad. Nice. 537 00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:43,890 Adam Curry: Okay, so this live dot phantom power music.io 538 00:30:43,890 --> 00:30:46,650 That's that doesn't have any of the content. It just has the 539 00:30:46,650 --> 00:30:48,360 boosts and the zaps that it? 540 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,710 Dovydas: Yep. Okay, so just yeah, it's just the boost board. 541 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,630 Yeah, I want to thank Eric Pepe who helped me to, you know, oh, 542 00:30:58,620 --> 00:31:00,690 Adam Curry: crap. Hold on a second. So over at 543 00:31:00,690 --> 00:31:07,050 fountain.fm/live/weird URL, my booth just showed up there in 544 00:31:07,050 --> 00:31:07,650 the chat. 545 00:31:08,130 --> 00:31:11,910 Dovydas: Yes. Because fountain is as sexy 546 00:31:11,940 --> 00:31:13,410 Adam Curry: that is so sexy. 547 00:31:14,700 --> 00:31:17,040 Dave Jones: That's shooting. So that's that's just the standard 548 00:31:17,970 --> 00:31:22,530 split. Splitting that you do when you you've converted into a 549 00:31:22,530 --> 00:31:29,370 lightning comment. Right. Wow. Wow. Okay. association between 550 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,800 that is for that shows that come now the TV record? Yeah, that's 551 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,340 going to be the biggest challenge with both 11. This 552 00:31:38,340 --> 00:31:40,110 Adam Curry: is put him on the mic, Dave? 553 00:31:40,290 --> 00:31:44,070 Oscar Merry: Oh, yeah, sorry. I think this is it's good that we 554 00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:48,030 have this opportunity to refresh everything. Because if you take 555 00:31:48,030 --> 00:31:54,120 this event that's happening now, obviously, we are taking a slit 556 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,950 in order to display those booths on our live stream page. But it 557 00:31:58,950 --> 00:32:03,450 doesn't really scale. Because if, you know, podcast guru 558 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:08,130 wanted to also have a live stream page with all of the 559 00:32:08,580 --> 00:32:11,850 booths. It doesn't make sense. Okay, give podcast guru, is that 560 00:32:11,850 --> 00:32:20,790 right? And so I think, as we go through this exercise to try and 561 00:32:20,790 --> 00:32:24,270 get Bolt 11 payments working. And it's a great opportunity to 562 00:32:24,270 --> 00:32:29,070 also figure this out, like how can we publish these payments in 563 00:32:29,070 --> 00:32:33,330 a way that any app can just go and find them all and build them 564 00:32:33,330 --> 00:32:37,020 into their own version of, you know, the boost will? Because 565 00:32:37,020 --> 00:32:40,740 also, again, that's like, you know, we have one way of 566 00:32:40,740 --> 00:32:43,980 displaying it. David Ross has another way of displaying it on 567 00:32:43,980 --> 00:32:46,260 the fans about music, you know, maybe someone else could come in 568 00:32:46,260 --> 00:32:49,530 and create an even more fun way to display all of the booths 569 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,470 that's like, encourages people to booths more so yeah, I think 570 00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:54,600 we should also think about that. The 571 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,250 Dave Jones: first thing that pops into my head obviously is 572 00:32:56,250 --> 00:32:59,340 like an out of band payment proof. You know, like we've been 573 00:32:59,340 --> 00:33:00,570 talking about forever. Like, isn't 574 00:33:00,570 --> 00:33:03,240 Adam Curry: that what Alex gates Alex Gates has already developed 575 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,440 that five years ago? 576 00:33:05,070 --> 00:33:07,290 Dave Jones: Yeah, that's the gap. Like, you know, we you 577 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:12,480 embed take that JpT? And that, which, to me, seems like the 578 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,060 right starting point for that, because you can you can prove 579 00:33:15,060 --> 00:33:20,040 the payment, what's the GPT like this JSON payment token? It's 580 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,300 like the spec for it is on the namespace, right? And so like 581 00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:27,690 you, it's basically a hash of the payment, so you can prove 582 00:33:27,690 --> 00:33:30,780 the payment. But then you could also put, you could put the TLV 583 00:33:30,780 --> 00:33:34,320 information in there, God, and then you could publish it 584 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,720 anywhere. You could publish it to noster activity, pub, 585 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,570 whatever, is that once it's out there, everybody can just pull 586 00:33:39,570 --> 00:33:44,070 from it. And you don't have to get a split. I mean, you could 587 00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:47,520 get us give us split. If you like, somebody, you don't, you 588 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,200 wouldn't have to. This is 589 00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:52,560 Adam Curry: so amazing. I mean, I'm even hearing the artists on 590 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:58,740 stage talking about boosts and zaps. And, and unfortunately, I 591 00:33:58,740 --> 00:34:01,620 heard someone say we're playing for tips. Okay. Yeah. 592 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,130 Unknown: Trigger triggering it is 593 00:34:05,130 --> 00:34:08,670 Adam Curry: what it is. But this is this is great. This is and 594 00:34:08,670 --> 00:34:11,040 congratulations to the Costello's for putting all this 595 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:15,210 together and at the at the Embassy Suites because I mean 596 00:34:15,210 --> 00:34:19,170 that that was a real challenge for them to get this all going. 597 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,360 I think it's really great. It 598 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,250 Dave Jones: was a bunch of gear there was there's like a ton of 599 00:34:23,250 --> 00:34:26,250 gear and stuff down there. I mean, like it was not a it's not 600 00:34:26,250 --> 00:34:29,400 a small setup now that they have I mean all kinds of sound and 601 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,480 audio and the sound and video rigs and he has a big deal. I 602 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,030 don't know that was asking a gossiper last night I'm like, is 603 00:34:36,030 --> 00:34:39,780 anybody who's here actually going to the Bitcoin Conference? 604 00:34:39,780 --> 00:34:39,840 I 605 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,460 Adam Curry: mean, why bother? Why 606 00:34:41,460 --> 00:34:44,010 Dovydas: bother very few people? Yeah. Yeah. 607 00:34:44,100 --> 00:34:48,090 Dave Jones: I mean, other than Oscars talk, I guess. Or you 608 00:34:49,050 --> 00:34:51,120 could be talking with what was your title? He's your talk with 609 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:51,240 it 610 00:34:51,240 --> 00:34:53,340 Adam Curry: was Sam from waveline with 611 00:34:53,339 --> 00:34:56,219 Oscar Merry: Sam from wavelike Jim Costello as 612 00:34:56,220 --> 00:34:58,980 Dave Jones: well. When you're talking to just get used to my 613 00:34:58,980 --> 00:34:59,700 music, we're talking 614 00:34:59,700 --> 00:35:02,670 Oscar Merry: about me Music and value for value. Yeah, 615 00:35:02,670 --> 00:35:04,980 Adam Curry: make sure you talk about the booster grams, man. I 616 00:35:04,980 --> 00:35:06,690 don't want to hear too much zap talk. 617 00:35:08,340 --> 00:35:10,050 Oscar Merry: No, yeah, I definitely will add them don't 618 00:35:10,050 --> 00:35:13,110 right. I mean, yeah, it's, I think it's gonna be a good 619 00:35:13,110 --> 00:35:21,090 opportunity to get the word out there about podcasting 2.0 And, 620 00:35:21,450 --> 00:35:26,850 you know, music, publishing via RSS feeds, because I don't think 621 00:35:27,180 --> 00:35:31,260 people most people don't know this is a thing. And what's been 622 00:35:31,380 --> 00:35:35,130 amazing about this event as well is so many people from 623 00:35:35,130 --> 00:35:38,160 Nashville, especially yesterday just turned off and we're like, 624 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,250 Hey, I heard about this event. I don't really know what Bitcoin 625 00:35:41,250 --> 00:35:46,770 is. Really good. I have no idea what podcasting 2.0 is, or any 626 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,370 of this and they've been really excited about do they have an 627 00:35:50,370 --> 00:35:51,600 opportunity just to get the word 628 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,460 Adam Curry: out in the venue? Because I can't see it on the 629 00:35:53,460 --> 00:35:56,520 video in the venue. They have screens with the booths and zaps 630 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,020 coming through. Yes. 631 00:35:58,020 --> 00:36:00,630 Oscar Merry: So we have two massive screens, one with the 632 00:36:00,630 --> 00:36:05,280 phantom power boost wall and one with the fountain. Re live page. 633 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,630 So yeah, it looks pretty cool. 634 00:36:07,650 --> 00:36:11,400 Dave Jones: Like, like local normies showed up? Yes. Like 635 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,940 from Nashville. Like what is this? Yeah. That's interesting. 636 00:36:16,650 --> 00:36:22,770 Yeah, we saw Tim Kay was here. Oh, goodness. How's 637 00:36:22,770 --> 00:36:23,370 Adam Curry: he doing? 638 00:36:23,730 --> 00:36:25,800 Dave Jones: He say he's doing great. Yeah, he's looked like 639 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:30,300 he's in great spirits and was like, eager to jump back in and 640 00:36:30,300 --> 00:36:33,780 start doing stuff. He's like, you know, yeah, he was he like, 641 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,780 went up to the top to like the rooftop bar thing there at the 642 00:36:36,780 --> 00:36:39,450 vinyl lounge and like Tim, Kay and Reuters and they're talking 643 00:36:39,450 --> 00:36:40,170 to each other. Hey. 644 00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:45,690 Adam Curry: You hug and kiss Roy for me. Was he wearing his his 645 00:36:45,690 --> 00:36:48,810 purple bath slippers and everything. The bathrobe on his 646 00:36:48,810 --> 00:36:51,510 little golden crown and everything. No, 647 00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:54,060 Dave Jones: no, he did not even have the gold chain running 648 00:36:54,060 --> 00:37:00,390 through the chest hair. So I was disappointed. Now, like, it's 649 00:37:00,390 --> 00:37:03,450 like classic ROI, like five minutes into it. He's like, he's 650 00:37:03,450 --> 00:37:07,770 like, have you read this article? About? Liquid? No, no, 651 00:37:07,770 --> 00:37:11,160 he's like, if you read this article about, like, tracing 652 00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:13,200 what's going on in Bitcoin? I was like, no, he's like, we're 653 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:18,840 all effed. We're just really gave me this big, long of this, 654 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,860 like long article to read about how we're all Yeah, we're all 655 00:37:22,860 --> 00:37:25,740 after their, you know, bit governments are taking over the 656 00:37:25,740 --> 00:37:28,620 Bitcoin world and everything he is, I'm like, Okay, I'll go read 657 00:37:28,620 --> 00:37:28,710 it. 658 00:37:29,220 --> 00:37:31,920 Adam Curry: That's interesting. You know, there's a lot of talk 659 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,760 about I was listening to our buddy there to This Week in 660 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:40,950 Bitcoin, Chris. And, you know, he's not there. I think he's on 661 00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:45,060 vacation with his family. And, you know, so President Trump 662 00:37:45,060 --> 00:37:47,940 speaking tomorrow, is that still on? Is that are there any rumors 663 00:37:47,940 --> 00:37:50,550 that he that he will or not show? I mean, does anyone know 664 00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:50,730 what's 665 00:37:50,910 --> 00:37:53,100 Dave Jones: going on? Yeah, as far as I know, is still on. 666 00:37:53,100 --> 00:37:53,850 Yeah. Because 667 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,670 Adam Curry: the rumor is now these things in my experience 668 00:37:56,670 --> 00:38:00,120 never come true. But the rumor is that he's gonna say, Well, 669 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,090 you know, maybe the US should have some bitcoin in his 670 00:38:03,090 --> 00:38:05,760 reserves. Could you imagine if he actually said that? 671 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,830 Dave Jones: I mean, I don't know. What I've been seeing. You 672 00:38:10,830 --> 00:38:13,860 know, this is just me misinterpreting what I'm saying. 673 00:38:13,860 --> 00:38:16,200 But well, I would have missed the in the last really like, 674 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,400 since the assassination attempt is like, every time something 675 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:25,200 positive happens to with a Trump thing Bitcoin goes, goes up. And 676 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,230 then when it's negative, it goes down like they exist, 677 00:38:28,650 --> 00:38:30,780 demonstrably tied together at this point 678 00:38:30,780 --> 00:38:33,180 Adam Curry: that's exactly what I'm seeing too. I'm like, 679 00:38:33,330 --> 00:38:36,390 assassination attempt Bitcoin go, Hey, didn't die, Bitcoin 680 00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:39,900 goes up. Kamala Harris announces Bitcoin goes down. It's like 681 00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:41,970 what is happening here? Yes. 682 00:38:41,970 --> 00:38:44,250 Dave Jones: I don't know. Like, what is going to happen with 683 00:38:44,250 --> 00:38:46,860 this thing tomorrow? I mean, like, I'm actually a little like 684 00:38:46,860 --> 00:38:49,170 wig is tomorrow night. Is he? 685 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,110 Adam Curry: No, no, it's when I'm, I'm doing boosted Graham 686 00:38:52,110 --> 00:38:56,670 ball. I'm competing with Trump. I'm going to be joining gonna 687 00:38:56,670 --> 00:38:59,460 Dovydas: be very confused when Julie's send that email like 688 00:38:59,460 --> 00:39:04,050 saying Adam is going to go head to head with Trump. Yeah. 689 00:39:04,260 --> 00:39:07,350 Adam Curry: Who are you going to choose? Man? You tell me. Yeah. 690 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,130 Dave Jones: Like I'm a little. I'm a little wigged out about 691 00:39:11,130 --> 00:39:13,530 it. I'm afraid there's going to be like black choppers and you 692 00:39:13,530 --> 00:39:17,520 know, the whole thing here with a lot bounced security. 693 00:39:17,730 --> 00:39:21,720 Adam Curry: Maybe. Maybe, maybe maybe Hey, Kira, and how's 694 00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:23,970 everything going with the value for value stuff, ma'am? 695 00:39:24,690 --> 00:39:28,080 Kyrin Down: Yeah, it's great. I've had a little bit of a break 696 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,070 for this frost. 697 00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:33,210 Adam Curry: Yeah. Yeah. A while Yeah. 698 00:39:33,300 --> 00:39:36,900 Kyrin Down: Yeah. A lot longer than that. It's just traveling 699 00:39:36,900 --> 00:39:44,970 is fun, but also not amenable for easy podcasting. In terms of 700 00:39:45,450 --> 00:39:51,510 just preparation and everything. Yeah, obviously like the setup 701 00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:56,400 here is is fun, but it's you have to wing it. Dave make it 702 00:39:56,430 --> 00:40:00,120 don't make it seem like I'm a fly by the moment. You know? I'm 703 00:40:00,180 --> 00:40:04,260 booking hostels and last moment running across the world doing 704 00:40:04,260 --> 00:40:10,350 stuff, but I'm pretty planned as well. So so it's honestly I'm 705 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,550 just taking a bit of a break after my mum passed away, but 706 00:40:14,670 --> 00:40:17,430 two or three months I'm sorry to hear that brother. Just just 707 00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:23,010 taking some time off and yep and enjoying the world. But it's 708 00:40:23,010 --> 00:40:25,980 cool with the value for value stuff. It's I was I was telling 709 00:40:25,980 --> 00:40:31,050 with Dave, I suppose I dabble more in the, in the ship coin or 710 00:40:31,050 --> 00:40:35,160 a world of Ethereum and things like that. And I see people 711 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,420 trying to say, solve the same problem, which is, you know, 712 00:40:40,380 --> 00:40:45,180 artists, creators have all sorts of struggling to have their own 713 00:40:45,180 --> 00:40:49,380 platform to can connect with our audience to monetize to do all 714 00:40:49,380 --> 00:40:53,670 of these things. And that they just struggle, they come up with 715 00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:56,940 the wrong solution, which is, you know, we're gonna make NF TS 716 00:40:57,450 --> 00:41:01,560 green, this new platform, let's do this. And it's, I see this 717 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,620 with the artist, especially musicians, for example, which 718 00:41:04,620 --> 00:41:07,560 is, okay, well, we'll make NF T's which are art, and they're 719 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,050 trying to sell it like that, or no, we'll make it and this is 720 00:41:10,050 --> 00:41:14,370 going to be like a CD. No, well, we'll attach it to a physical 721 00:41:14,370 --> 00:41:16,500 product, so there'll be utility or something. And it's like, 722 00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:22,680 the, the value for value is still the core concept in my 723 00:41:23,070 --> 00:41:27,150 eyes and in my mind of, obviously, it's the there's the 724 00:41:27,150 --> 00:41:30,480 monetary side of it, but it encapsulates all the other 725 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,420 problems they're having have not been able to connect with their 726 00:41:33,420 --> 00:41:37,560 audience of feeling like they're talking into a void of just just 727 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,650 getting started and getting feedback finding a way to do 728 00:41:40,650 --> 00:41:48,120 that. So I Yeah, even like all the technical stuff of custodial 729 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,510 water wallets, and you know, is lightning the way to do or will 730 00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:54,900 use Bolt 11 and things like that. I feel like that's all 731 00:41:54,900 --> 00:41:58,560 just the technical stuff that the it'll eventually get sorted 732 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:03,270 but value for value is still I still think that just a hugely 733 00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:07,980 powerful concept which everyone Oh, we'll find out at some point 734 00:42:07,980 --> 00:42:11,520 whether everyone uses it as a different matter but yeah, I 735 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,240 think I think it's still is still as applicable as I've when 736 00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:18,240 I first heard you guys mentioning it in you know, three 737 00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:20,580 years ago that well how it was so powerful. I'm 738 00:42:20,580 --> 00:42:24,300 Adam Curry: still living on it, you know? It's the only it's the 739 00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:27,630 only income I have is value for value now. It's it's definitely 740 00:42:27,630 --> 00:42:31,830 not. Not all Satoshis Well, when 741 00:42:31,830 --> 00:42:34,380 Kyrin Down: you get elected after beating Trump, I'm sure 742 00:42:34,380 --> 00:42:34,530 you 743 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,720 Adam Curry: want to do tomorrow. Yeah, I'm gonna vote for me. 744 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:41,220 Right, me and 745 00:42:42,570 --> 00:42:45,510 Dave Jones: me on camera talking all the way over here about he 746 00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:49,470 still uses Satoshis dust dream. Oh, really? Like, I forget that 747 00:42:49,470 --> 00:42:51,870 that dude even exists, man. They're still 748 00:42:51,870 --> 00:42:54,570 Adam Curry: in there, man. That's I'm happy they are. It's 749 00:42:54,570 --> 00:42:55,140 just like an 750 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,820 Dave Jones: like a non Dutch guy. I think who like just runs. 751 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,160 He just runs that thing in a telegram channel. He's like, he 752 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,090 just does not care. 753 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,210 Adam Curry: No, no, he does. Whilst the Dutch they do not 754 00:43:06,210 --> 00:43:06,540 hear 755 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,230 Kyrin Down: any super responsive as well. It's like you weren't. 756 00:43:10,650 --> 00:43:13,080 He's not promoting it or anything. But if I have any 757 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,740 support issues, I'll message and he'll get back within 30 758 00:43:16,740 --> 00:43:17,850 minutes. Nice. 759 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,000 Adam Curry: Nice. I'll tell you why guys, why don't I play a 760 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:28,050 song from one of the big the bigger name on the other line 761 00:43:28,050 --> 00:43:28,500 guys. 762 00:43:29,940 --> 00:43:35,190 Oscar Merry: know we're going to another panel discussion at 2pm 763 00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:37,080 but it's the other side of Nashville. Oh, 764 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,660 Adam Curry: yeah. No, I know. And traffic will be horrendous. 765 00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:40,230 It's their 766 00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:42,780 Dave Jones: it's their pre meeting with Trump. Yeah, before 767 00:43:42,780 --> 00:43:43,380 the station. 768 00:43:44,610 --> 00:43:46,410 Unknown: Dude read security check. Thanks. 769 00:43:46,410 --> 00:43:48,510 Adam Curry: Thanks so much for all you've done for this thank 770 00:43:48,510 --> 00:43:51,090 you for being there. Have a great conference have a lot of 771 00:43:51,090 --> 00:43:56,430 fun and you know, take it easy in the traffic there Nashville. 772 00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,490 Oscar Merry: Thank you, Adam. And yeah, thanks, guys. And for 773 00:43:59,490 --> 00:44:03,540 anyone listening. Yeah, please do continue supporting the bands 774 00:44:03,540 --> 00:44:07,140 at Bitcoin live stream. The artists you know, we were 775 00:44:07,170 --> 00:44:09,540 watching it this morning and yesterday. They love seeing the 776 00:44:09,540 --> 00:44:15,210 booths come in. So like these the stream from hour to hour and 777 00:44:15,210 --> 00:44:15,810 support them. 778 00:44:16,530 --> 00:44:20,100 Adam Curry: All right, Dave. I'm gonna oops. Who just who just 779 00:44:20,100 --> 00:44:24,120 came in? That was probably a 10,000 boost. Let me see what 780 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:29,490 that was. That was yes. Pay tar. 10,000 chyron rules you says all 781 00:44:29,490 --> 00:44:33,900 right. 10,000. Nice. I'm gonna play a song Dave. I'm gonna go 782 00:44:33,900 --> 00:44:38,070 on with a song. Yeah, so Dolby dust you sticking around? Yeah. 783 00:44:38,100 --> 00:44:40,410 Okay. Can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear ya. No problem. Yeah, 784 00:44:40,410 --> 00:44:40,830 no problem. I 785 00:44:40,830 --> 00:44:42,510 Dovydas: just wanted to ask, like, why is Claritin in the 786 00:44:42,510 --> 00:44:43,080 bathroom? 787 00:44:46,170 --> 00:44:49,050 Dave Jones: I mean, like, he made it. I don't get that. I 788 00:44:49,050 --> 00:44:52,860 mean, me and Karen and Karen are sharing a room. I don't dig in 789 00:44:52,860 --> 00:44:54,720 that deep to see why he's in the bathroom. 790 00:44:54,990 --> 00:44:56,580 Adam Curry: All right, everybody. I'm gonna play a 791 00:44:56,580 --> 00:44:59,550 song. Now. Let's take a breather. I know it's very 792 00:44:59,550 --> 00:45:04,590 exciting. And this is Tony Salamone who is one of the 793 00:45:04,590 --> 00:45:08,160 artists of the bands of Bitcoin painted here on podcasting 2.0 794 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,320 This is the cool summer 795 00:45:11,700 --> 00:45:19,620 Unknown: no need to stay mister they say 796 00:45:24,810 --> 00:45:25,380 man 797 00:45:36,180 --> 00:45:45,150 burning up I got a fever goose I'm 798 00:45:53,850 --> 00:45:59,100 gonna chill Kusama 799 00:46:11,730 --> 00:46:12,870 Kusama 800 00:46:20,730 --> 00:46:31,950 places with some ghost in my mouth is tasty sweet faces 801 00:46:42,210 --> 00:46:53,760 God knows I'm burning God Kusum 802 00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:07,710 Kusama? 803 00:48:59,100 --> 00:49:02,970 Adam Curry: Yeah sound effects provided by Dred Scott 804 00:49:04,020 --> 00:49:04,980 Unknown: nice and 805 00:49:06,750 --> 00:49:10,650 Adam Curry: cool solar on your podcasting 2.0 weekly board 806 00:49:10,650 --> 00:49:11,190 meeting 807 00:49:13,020 --> 00:49:16,260 Dave Jones: that's a week in we know it's fun hearing that music 808 00:49:16,290 --> 00:49:19,950 every week and then we like we get to see a live here which is 809 00:49:19,950 --> 00:49:26,070 cool that's awesome that is Joe Joe Martin played last night at 810 00:49:26,070 --> 00:49:29,700 the vinyl lounge see as Ainsley Joe JL 811 00:49:29,730 --> 00:49:31,530 Dovydas: just lounge us oh man 812 00:49:31,530 --> 00:49:33,330 Adam Curry: was that live as well? I missed that 813 00:49:33,390 --> 00:49:36,150 Dovydas: yeah oh yeah but we are probably going to have a 814 00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:38,940 recording that you can rewatch and boost 815 00:49:39,570 --> 00:49:42,540 Adam Curry: now Dolby dasa you doing all the RSS for for this 816 00:49:42,540 --> 00:49:43,500 extravaganza? 817 00:49:43,950 --> 00:49:47,280 Dovydas: So yeah, I'm doing the RSS feeds both for bands at 818 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,920 Bitcoin and the vinyl lounge. Yeah, 819 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,420 Adam Curry: dude, I appreciate you so much. That's so awesome 820 00:49:54,420 --> 00:49:56,700 that you fly in from from the UK as well. 821 00:49:57,450 --> 00:50:01,020 Dovydas: Yeah, that's right. So yeah, I flew into Miami on 822 00:50:01,020 --> 00:50:04,230 Tuesday evening and then to Nashville on Wednesday morning. 823 00:50:06,540 --> 00:50:09,420 Dave Jones: Yes, somehow somehow Nick and Oscar got a direct 824 00:50:09,420 --> 00:50:11,280 flight from London to Nashville. 825 00:50:11,310 --> 00:50:12,210 Unknown: I mean, they're rich. 826 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,520 Adam Curry: It's that VC money as what it is rolling 827 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:18,030 Dave Jones: in dough. 828 00:50:18,060 --> 00:50:21,570 Dovydas: They are, like so many stops to just get here. 829 00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:26,460 Dave Jones: That's a lot. That's a lot of one day countless. I 830 00:50:26,460 --> 00:50:26,820 wonder 831 00:50:26,820 --> 00:50:29,520 Adam Curry: who's flying direct. That must be flights they put 832 00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:29,820 in. 833 00:50:31,350 --> 00:50:33,330 Dave Jones: She should have heard roll, he should have her 834 00:50:33,330 --> 00:50:35,940 Royce flight path. I mean, he had like five different 835 00:50:35,940 --> 00:50:36,540 layovers. He 836 00:50:36,540 --> 00:50:38,730 Adam Curry: had to go to Abu Dhabi or something like that. 837 00:50:38,730 --> 00:50:41,790 And Dubai from Tel Aviv Tel Aviv. Yeah. 838 00:50:42,090 --> 00:50:43,800 Dave Jones: Yeah. I mean, he was telling me he was it was like, 839 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,920 20 something hours of flying or something like that. is 840 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:47,820 ridiculous. Holy 841 00:50:47,820 --> 00:50:53,550 Adam Curry: cow. Yeah. So we got any, any podcasting 2.0 stuff to 842 00:50:53,550 --> 00:50:54,480 talk about Dave? 843 00:50:56,670 --> 00:51:00,750 Dovydas: Before you do, can I just say all thank you all and I 844 00:51:01,110 --> 00:51:04,380 will be leaving because I have to put out fires if they're 845 00:51:04,380 --> 00:51:08,700 gonna check. But yeah, I really appreciate all of you and for 846 00:51:08,700 --> 00:51:11,760 all the boosting and for all the feedback. Yep. Keep that coming. 847 00:51:11,790 --> 00:51:15,480 Adam Curry: No, thank you. Dobby Das. You are you're truly the 848 00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:18,330 EMS, the EMS services for what's going on here. 849 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,490 Dovydas: I don't know what that means. But thank 850 00:51:20,490 --> 00:51:22,860 Adam Curry: you. Emergency Medical Services paramedic. 851 00:51:24,060 --> 00:51:25,320 Dovydas: I hate acronyms. Both. Yeah. 852 00:51:27,330 --> 00:51:29,310 Adam Curry: All right. All right. See ya. Thanks, lb. Das 853 00:51:29,310 --> 00:51:31,710 take care, brother. Thanks for that. We'll see. Let's see. So 854 00:51:31,950 --> 00:51:35,220 after well, just you and chyron now, Dave. Yeah, Karen's in 855 00:51:35,220 --> 00:51:36,480 Dave Jones: the bathroom. And guess 856 00:51:37,590 --> 00:51:39,630 Adam Curry: he's muted himself. So I don't know what he was 857 00:51:39,630 --> 00:51:40,590 doing in there. But 858 00:51:41,850 --> 00:51:42,720 Kyrin Down: it was getting pretty loud. 859 00:51:44,340 --> 00:51:48,660 Dave Jones: is like the this this room is killer though. Like 860 00:51:48,660 --> 00:51:50,580 it's like guys get tightest. Have you ever. 861 00:51:50,610 --> 00:51:54,090 Adam Curry: I've got the two pictures in the show notes. And 862 00:51:54,090 --> 00:51:56,670 I also put them in the in the board meeting. Yeah, I think 863 00:51:56,700 --> 00:51:57,480 Oscar took them. 864 00:51:58,200 --> 00:51:59,400 Dave Jones: Okay. Yeah. 865 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,780 Adam Curry: I brought I brought up you guys look like clip. You 866 00:52:03,780 --> 00:52:06,450 guys look like a bunch of nerds. By the way. I'm just saying. I 867 00:52:06,450 --> 00:52:08,280 mean, you look real nerdy is awesome. 868 00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:14,880 Dave Jones: Let me know. What did you expect? Right is George 869 00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:15,300 Clooney? 870 00:52:17,130 --> 00:52:19,290 Adam Curry: George Clooney? He's got nothing on you guys. You got 871 00:52:19,290 --> 00:52:21,990 nothing. You guys. Alright, what's what clip do we have? 872 00:52:23,010 --> 00:52:30,390 Dave Jones: It's so this was a this was a spy, though Spotify 873 00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:32,640 as a bunch of tech earnings happened this week. You know, 874 00:52:32,670 --> 00:52:36,420 Google? Yeah. All that kind of stuff. And it just called this 875 00:52:36,510 --> 00:52:42,990 on? I guess it CNBC. Me where they were talking about a year, 876 00:52:43,050 --> 00:52:49,260 Google's Google missed its targets. Oh, and the blame seems 877 00:52:49,260 --> 00:52:50,520 to be coming from YouTube. 878 00:52:50,550 --> 00:52:53,160 Adam Curry: YouTube. Miss big. I did read a headline somewhere 879 00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,170 about that. Yeah. Yeah. And 880 00:52:55,170 --> 00:52:58,560 Dave Jones: this. Now this is a, I didn't have time to edit this 881 00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:02,430 clip. So we can like, but it's, it's fairly concise. And we can 882 00:53:02,430 --> 00:53:07,590 kind of stop it wherever. I'll kind of guide that. But so this 883 00:53:07,590 --> 00:53:10,770 was an interview with the guy talking about YouTube. And I 884 00:53:10,770 --> 00:53:17,850 just thought this by his whole sort of his whole breakdown. Is 885 00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,480 is valuable. Because I think like so if you look at what spot 886 00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:27,180 what happened with Spotify, in their earnings, the thing that 887 00:53:27,180 --> 00:53:32,700 stood out to me was that their subscriber their subscribers 888 00:53:32,730 --> 00:53:40,140 grew 12% I think is the number and their revenues were up 14%. 889 00:53:40,140 --> 00:53:45,630 And I think that's pretty a pretty clear indication that 890 00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:51,030 advertising is not what is growing the pie there. That's 891 00:53:51,060 --> 00:53:56,130 that's not what's driving the the revenue growth. It's as 892 00:53:56,130 --> 00:53:59,580 subscriptions. And it seems to be the same thing. Based on what 893 00:53:59,580 --> 00:54:01,860 happened this week. It seems to be the same thing with YouTube. 894 00:54:02,070 --> 00:54:08,250 Because Youtube is, is missing on advertising. They need 895 00:54:08,250 --> 00:54:11,100 subscribed, they these these companies need subscribers. 896 00:54:11,100 --> 00:54:15,390 That's what's going to, that's what's going to really bring in 897 00:54:15,390 --> 00:54:19,230 the money if the advertising is just not there. So let's we can 898 00:54:19,230 --> 00:54:20,670 like look at what he has to say. 899 00:54:22,170 --> 00:54:24,960 Unknown: Now as a result, for more on Google's digital ads 900 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,930 story, Mark Douglas is here. He's the CEO of mountain. Mark, 901 00:54:27,930 --> 00:54:29,460 what jumps out to you welcome. 902 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:35,220 The Well, I think there's a big misconception about YouTube in 903 00:54:35,220 --> 00:54:39,900 particular, which is that it's somehow connected TV. It's not, 904 00:54:39,930 --> 00:54:43,800 you know, YouTube, the connected TV is long form content, major 905 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:48,690 networks, major shows, YouTube is short form content, podcast, 906 00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,450 user generated content, and advertisers are not as 907 00:54:51,450 --> 00:54:55,200 interested. And so I think every single quarter YouTube in 908 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:59,610 particular, is just shy of you know, maybe they'll hit maybe 909 00:54:59,610 --> 00:55:03,240 they'll miss So it's actually not unexpected. It's just that's 910 00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:06,090 going to continue to be the case. Probably forever. 911 00:55:06,270 --> 00:55:08,490 So what do you make of the other declines? We've seen some of the 912 00:55:08,490 --> 00:55:11,550 social media ad driven names, pins, snap, and so forth. I 913 00:55:11,550 --> 00:55:14,190 mean, what are your conclusions from what alphabet has been told 914 00:55:14,190 --> 00:55:14,580 us? 915 00:55:15,420 --> 00:55:18,360 Yeah, well, that I think is entirely different. So I think 916 00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,500 you cannot read what YouTube's performance is like, you know, 917 00:55:22,500 --> 00:55:26,100 something like a precursor to downward pressure. I just think 918 00:55:26,100 --> 00:55:29,820 ultimately, advertisers are not that huge fans, a YouTube 919 00:55:29,820 --> 00:55:34,020 obviously has a big audience. But it has none of the qualities 920 00:55:34,020 --> 00:55:37,470 that big advertisers want. They want brand safe content, it's 921 00:55:37,470 --> 00:55:40,650 user generated content. They want long form shows where 922 00:55:40,650 --> 00:55:44,010 people are dying to watch. And YouTube is kind of throwaway 923 00:55:44,010 --> 00:55:47,040 content for the most part. And a lot of the ad dollars on 924 00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,740 YouTube. One thing I think is also misunderstood. A lot of the 925 00:55:49,740 --> 00:55:53,160 ad dollars actually go to the podcast is to embed ads in their 926 00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,370 podcast, not and that money doesn't go to YouTube. So I 927 00:55:56,370 --> 00:55:59,670 think there's nothing to read into any drop in stocks. 928 00:55:59,670 --> 00:56:02,010 Actually, I've you know, I'll probably be buying today. 929 00:56:02,370 --> 00:56:04,320 Adam Curry: I'm going to stop it here for a second. Yeah, that's 930 00:56:04,350 --> 00:56:08,700 next. What's next is YouTube's going to say you're advertising 931 00:56:08,700 --> 00:56:11,520 in your in your YouTube video. We want a piece of that you 932 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:12,990 watch. I 933 00:56:12,990 --> 00:56:14,850 Dave Jones: think you're right, because I see that a lot. Like 934 00:56:14,850 --> 00:56:17,970 there's there's two or three channels that I subscribe to on 935 00:56:17,970 --> 00:56:22,080 YouTube. And those all have embedded stuff in them. I mean, 936 00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,510 we already saw it with the RSS feed ingestion that they're 937 00:56:24,510 --> 00:56:28,080 doing they they flat out said you cannot embed ads in these in 938 00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:29,220 these shows. Yeah. 939 00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:38,040 Adam Curry: Joe Rogan is on megaphone, right? Man, they 940 00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,400 Dave Jones: cranked it up. Oh, the advertising. 941 00:56:41,460 --> 00:56:46,140 Adam Curry: Oh my Lord. Because he had Jordan Peterson on I 942 00:56:46,140 --> 00:56:48,900 wanted to hear that episode. So I went out to walk with Phoebe. 943 00:56:49,380 --> 00:56:54,150 And I'm walking the first five minutes all ads. Now it was geo 944 00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:59,100 targeted because he had an Austin racetrack Circuit of the 945 00:56:59,100 --> 00:57:06,000 Americas specific ad and then he has this dog food ad. And I'm 946 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:10,560 like, Okay, and so actually Fast forward to, you know, hit the 30 947 00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,770 seconds a couple times got into it. And then like, Okay, I'm 948 00:57:13,770 --> 00:57:17,940 gonna, I'm gonna turn this down really low on the on the earbuds 949 00:57:17,940 --> 00:57:21,210 and I'm not gonna tell Tina, that I'm listening to that as we 950 00:57:21,210 --> 00:57:25,080 get into bed. And it's going to be because she's got a good 951 00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,750 hearing, you know, and I usually have to crank and crank it down. 952 00:57:28,110 --> 00:57:30,480 And I'm like, okay, good night, good night, and I'm listening. 953 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,800 And then, man, the same dog food ad comes back again. And I don't 954 00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,110 think I heard anything. after that. I think it fell asleep. It 955 00:57:37,110 --> 00:57:40,860 was like, Holy crap. After 15 minutes, they crank up the ads, 956 00:57:40,890 --> 00:57:44,940 it's really destroyed. It's destructive for that kind of 957 00:57:44,940 --> 00:57:45,630 program. 958 00:57:46,710 --> 00:57:50,910 Dave Jones: You know, the thing this, what we've been seeing is 959 00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:56,220 at our house Is YouTube, because we don't subscribe to YouTube. 960 00:57:56,250 --> 00:58:00,360 And the the ad load and YouTube obviously is just off the chart. 961 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:04,020 Now. It's you. He actually he goes further in this clip and 962 00:58:04,020 --> 00:58:06,930 talk some more about that, which is worth listening to. But we 963 00:58:07,260 --> 00:58:10,290 we've been noticing that for a while. But what's happening now 964 00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:16,680 is because because and this relates to something we heard 965 00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:20,940 this week about Google, supposedly putting into Chrome 966 00:58:20,940 --> 00:58:26,910 to hide source IP addresses. Yeah. The Apple private relay. 967 00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:33,450 And as these as these IP addresses Get, get unreliable at 968 00:58:33,450 --> 00:58:37,110 the source. I'm starting to get ads in different languages. 969 00:58:37,110 --> 00:58:40,410 Yeah. Yeah, I'm seeing Spanish MC and Spanish language 970 00:58:40,410 --> 00:58:42,990 advertising. I'm in Birmingham, Alabama. 971 00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,600 Adam Curry: So that's almost Mexico. It's 972 00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:50,910 Dave Jones: virtually Mexico. So like, I mean, there is no reason 973 00:58:50,910 --> 00:58:54,420 to serve a Spanish language ad to me in Birmingham, Alabama. I 974 00:58:54,420 --> 00:58:58,230 can promise you that. But it's the services are so confused and 975 00:58:58,230 --> 00:59:00,240 unreliable. Yeah. 976 00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:04,110 Adam Curry: I and I can also see that there's let me see if I 977 00:59:04,110 --> 00:59:09,840 have it here. There's a there's an inventory issue. Because I'm 978 00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:13,440 getting a lot of people reaching out directly to me even from 979 00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:18,870 podcast one. Who wants to do let me see podcast one who wants to 980 00:59:18,930 --> 00:59:19,980 advertise? 981 00:59:21,690 --> 00:59:24,390 Dave Jones: Let me son. Oh, no agenda. Yeah, 982 00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:27,210 Adam Curry: of course, means that you have not listened to 983 00:59:27,210 --> 00:59:31,080 the show because clearly we don't take advertising. But 984 00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:37,050 here's the last. He was the last note that I got from her. Let me 985 00:59:37,050 --> 00:59:43,890 see. Can I get into this? Right. So this woman reaches out to me, 986 00:59:43,890 --> 00:59:53,970 Lindsay. What did she say she initially said. Hi, there. Okay. 987 00:59:53,970 --> 00:59:59,970 Hi there. I'm the developing Development Coordinator podcast. 988 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,550 On a full service podcast, production marketing advertising 989 01:00:02,550 --> 01:00:05,310 network, wanting to juice myself and personally reach out as we'd 990 01:00:05,310 --> 01:00:08,760 love to work with you on the no agenda podcast, our staff has 991 01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,310 been submitting their favorite podcasts your show has come up 992 01:00:11,310 --> 01:00:14,640 from multiple fans at our company. Well, I doubt that 993 01:00:14,670 --> 01:00:18,210 because anyone who was a fan of no agenda, first of all isn't a 994 01:00:18,210 --> 01:00:22,170 fan is a producer. And we don't take advertising and they know 995 01:00:22,170 --> 01:00:26,340 it. So anyway, so I'm playing along with her. And I wind up, 996 01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:30,510 she's like, Well, hey, could you tell me Amen said thanks for 997 01:00:30,510 --> 01:00:33,060 reaching out. We've been Valley for value podcasts for almost 17 998 01:00:33,060 --> 01:00:35,250 years, we take a lot of convincing for us to move to an 999 01:00:35,250 --> 01:00:37,980 ad based model. And she comes back and she says, hey, you 1000 01:00:37,980 --> 01:00:42,690 know, can you tell me about your your total? Audience said, Yeah, 1001 01:00:42,690 --> 01:00:45,180 sure. And so I sent her a link. 1002 01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:50,100 Dave Jones: Yeah. Yeah. You tell you tell her, so just get the 1003 01:00:50,100 --> 01:00:51,420 saliva going? Yes. 1004 01:00:51,420 --> 01:00:55,290 Adam Curry: Yeah. No, I sent her a link to the OP three stats. 1005 01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,410 Yeah. And she says, I don't know if she looked at it. But she 1006 01:00:58,410 --> 01:01:02,100 says, Would you be able to share your average episodic downloads? 1007 01:01:02,100 --> 01:01:05,190 We offer emojis based on those numbers? 1008 01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,440 Dave Jones: I'm like, what's an emoji? I 1009 01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,720 Adam Curry: took me a second. That's minimum guarantee minimum 1010 01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:14,400 guarantee. Exactly. I'm already talking lingo with me. But I'm 1011 01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:19,560 seeing I'm seeing a number of these coming through. And I 1012 01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:21,330 think there's an inventory issue. 1013 01:01:22,470 --> 01:01:25,650 Dave Jones: You know, so tell me what you mean that I don't quite 1014 01:01:25,650 --> 01:01:26,100 follow? 1015 01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:30,000 Adam Curry: Well, they just don't have enough podcast with 1016 01:01:30,330 --> 01:01:31,440 with audience. 1017 01:01:32,010 --> 01:01:34,380 Dave Jones: Oh, they don't have enough to sell against Yeah, 1018 01:01:34,380 --> 01:01:34,650 they don't 1019 01:01:34,650 --> 01:01:36,300 Adam Curry: have enough inventory. There's just not 1020 01:01:36,300 --> 01:01:42,540 enough, you know, not enough AMS to complete the CPMs and by the 1021 01:01:42,540 --> 01:01:47,400 way, you know, YouTube, from what I understand if you if you 1022 01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:52,590 really want to look at their CPM, it's it's probably about $2 1023 01:01:53,220 --> 01:01:54,960 Dave Jones: It's based on it yeah, I 1024 01:01:54,990 --> 01:02:00,000 Adam Curry: mean, it's it's two to $4 CPM. And everybody is you 1025 01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:04,410 know, and I'm sure you saw the the gun guys who have you know, 1026 01:02:04,410 --> 01:02:09,240 like some guns and ammo YouTube show. And and YouTube just sent 1027 01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,900 him a note and said not not No more No more ads on on anything 1028 01:02:12,900 --> 01:02:16,710 with guns. You're done. Wow, ruin there. It is. See that? 1029 01:02:16,740 --> 01:02:19,050 Yeah. ruin their business overnight. Yeah, 1030 01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,000 Dave Jones: we know, you know, what you should do with Lindsey 1031 01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:27,090 is you should package so like, you say, okay, yeah, you can. 1032 01:02:27,660 --> 01:02:34,530 I'll sell you know, agenda, Mofaz podcast 2.0. And you have 1033 01:02:34,530 --> 01:02:36,720 to buy across all those shows. Yeah, you 1034 01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:38,940 Adam Curry: have to do a network buy over here. Otherwise, I 1035 01:02:38,940 --> 01:02:40,290 won't take your network 1036 01:02:40,290 --> 01:02:44,370 Dave Jones: by Yeah, and V for Van V for be with Karen down and 1037 01:02:44,370 --> 01:02:47,550 booster grand boys get package all the 2.0 shows together. But 1038 01:02:47,550 --> 01:02:47,760 what's 1039 01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:52,500 Adam Curry: also interesting is that, and this is this is a 1040 01:02:52,500 --> 01:02:58,020 relatively new development. But we have two producers of the no 1041 01:02:58,020 --> 01:03:01,590 agenda show. One is Linda Lou Potkin. And the other one is Eli 1042 01:03:01,590 --> 01:03:07,620 the coffee guy. And both of them started small businesses. So 1043 01:03:07,650 --> 01:03:11,580 Linda Liu as she calls herself, she is now a baron. So she's 1044 01:03:11,610 --> 01:03:17,610 supported us quite a bit. She so she sends in $200 every show, so 1045 01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:21,720 by the way, that's 800 bucks a month. And and she and all and 1046 01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:25,110 she just says you know, hey, for a job resume that really hits 1047 01:03:25,110 --> 01:03:29,190 the mark, go to Image makers Inc with a k.com and eat and she 1048 01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:32,100 always has an a fun note to go with it. And then Eli the coffee 1049 01:03:32,100 --> 01:03:35,490 guy has gigawatt coffee roasters.com. And he just made 1050 01:03:35,490 --> 01:03:39,870 up this ITM 20 code for 20% off your order, and every single 1051 01:03:39,870 --> 01:03:44,700 show. And we have no agreements, there's no there's no, in this. 1052 01:03:44,700 --> 01:03:47,520 This is not it's not really advertising. It's like, Hey, 1053 01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,370 here's my value and mention, you know, here's a plug for my 1054 01:03:50,370 --> 01:03:54,330 little business. And if you think about it, those two guys 1055 01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:59,010 alone, Belinda loop Hodgkin and Eli, the coffee guy. I mean, 1056 01:03:59,010 --> 01:04:05,460 that's like, it's like 20 grand a year. If I'm believable, 1057 01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:07,740 Dave Jones: by me, it's just a bigger version of what comic 1058 01:04:07,740 --> 01:04:10,920 strip blogger does on this show every single week. Exactly. 1059 01:04:10,950 --> 01:04:15,060 Exactly. It's basically an ad for another for other podcasts. 1060 01:04:15,060 --> 01:04:15,540 Yeah. And you 1061 01:04:15,540 --> 01:04:17,880 Adam Curry: know, and it's like, we're not obliged to do it. We 1062 01:04:18,090 --> 01:04:20,430 were happy to read it. We say well read your note, whatever 1063 01:04:20,430 --> 01:04:24,030 your note is, you know, now some some people sometimes will send 1064 01:04:24,030 --> 01:04:28,350 in like, ad copy, like we're not going to read that. We're not 1065 01:04:28,350 --> 01:04:30,930 going to read that. We're not going to read that. And you 1066 01:04:30,930 --> 01:04:34,620 know, as like I'm not I can still talk about my black rifle 1067 01:04:34,620 --> 01:04:37,140 coffee which I drink you know, like, I'm not going to stop 1068 01:04:37,140 --> 01:04:40,800 doing that. But they're they're all really happy they love it. 1069 01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:45,810 They love it. I guess the resume service you know, Linda Lou Pat 1070 01:04:45,810 --> 01:04:48,360 can she says I get tons of business from the no agenda 1071 01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,660 community so it's a very interesting way of how value for 1072 01:04:51,660 --> 01:04:56,100 value seems to be morphing into these really these are micro 1073 01:04:56,100 --> 01:05:00,210 businesses you know, these are one man shops literally. Well I 1074 01:05:00,210 --> 01:05:03,780 did. Yearly. Your little over modulated Dave. I don't know. 1075 01:05:04,410 --> 01:05:04,950 Yeah, 1076 01:05:05,010 --> 01:05:07,560 Dave Jones: I don't know what changed there. Emma. Emma. Hi, 1077 01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:08,220 Mikey. Yeah, you're 1078 01:05:08,220 --> 01:05:09,390 Adam Curry: hot mic and a bit. Yeah. 1079 01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,480 Dave Jones: Okay, let me let me back off. Back off. Let me 1080 01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,480 decelerate. Much better. Yeah. Is that better? All right. 1081 01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:19,710 Kyrin Down: Adam was the all the inventory coming from from so if 1082 01:05:19,710 --> 01:05:24,480 they've got too many ads to sell, but I used to have the 1083 01:05:24,540 --> 01:05:28,560 impression that the like the big companies aren't selling on 1084 01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:32,220 podcasts as in like, they're still brand safety. Yeah, I 1085 01:05:32,220 --> 01:05:34,170 Adam Curry: think that's the problem. I think the brand 1086 01:05:34,170 --> 01:05:38,520 safety issue is a big problem. I'm sure that, you know, there's 1087 01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:42,480 going to be companies that don't care that advertise on Rogen. 1088 01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,810 But and by the way, you know, who knows? Who knows how much is 1089 01:05:45,810 --> 01:05:51,690 really going on there. I mean, you know, Joe had had a great, a 1090 01:05:51,690 --> 01:05:56,010 great run there at Spotify with his GM, you know, his guaranteed 1091 01:05:56,010 --> 01:06:00,420 maximum, he was bringing in big bank, but I'm not so sure. You 1092 01:06:00,420 --> 01:06:04,200 know, if you look at now, Tucker Carlson, who basically has the 1093 01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,560 same format has, you know, a lot of the same guests and, you 1094 01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:09,990 know, in some cases his guests are a little more relevant. He's 1095 01:06:09,990 --> 01:06:14,310 even doing the same type of you know, big desk set up and it's a 1096 01:06:14,310 --> 01:06:19,590 complete replica really. And he's he's doing he's not doing 1097 01:06:19,620 --> 01:06:24,540 dynamically inserted as but he's got I don't know what's the Eric 1098 01:06:24,540 --> 01:06:29,820 Prince's you know, on unplugged phone or whatever. So you know, 1099 01:06:29,820 --> 01:06:33,390 that there's something happening, which goes beyond the 1100 01:06:33,390 --> 01:06:36,480 tradition, it's going outside of the agencies, I think it's going 1101 01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:40,110 outside of the traditional system. And the only thing that 1102 01:06:40,110 --> 01:06:45,570 really seems to come back to working well is people endorsing 1103 01:06:45,570 --> 01:06:50,340 a product or talking about it in in the program all this other 1104 01:06:50,340 --> 01:06:54,480 stuff, you know, the pure CPM type play by by the way, I also 1105 01:06:54,480 --> 01:07:02,010 got this was hilarious. I got a I got another solicitation, 1106 01:07:02,010 --> 01:07:04,590 which is what the and once I get two of these, I'm like, hold on 1107 01:07:04,590 --> 01:07:09,870 a second. Something's happening here. And it was from what's the 1108 01:07:09,900 --> 01:07:12,780 what's the new media? What's the new media Roundtable, the media 1109 01:07:12,780 --> 01:07:20,010 roundtable guys outfit? Called something house? It's the year 1110 01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:20,250 each 1111 01:07:22,050 --> 01:07:24,660 Dave Jones: year to my Dan Granger and yay, 1112 01:07:24,660 --> 01:07:28,050 Adam Curry: yeah. What's What's his what's the name of his shop? 1113 01:07:28,110 --> 01:07:29,970 Dave Jones: Oh, Oxford road. 1114 01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:31,890 Adam Curry: Oxford road? Yes. Hamas. 1115 01:07:31,890 --> 01:07:32,910 Dave Jones: That's his agency. 1116 01:07:32,940 --> 01:07:40,050 Adam Curry: Yeah. So here it is. The from Sharon. Sharon, Sharon. 1117 01:07:40,170 --> 01:07:44,340 Oh, wait a minute, wasn't she? I'm a senior media coordinator 1118 01:07:44,340 --> 01:07:47,070 at Oxford road and ad agency based in Los Angeles. We work 1119 01:07:47,070 --> 01:07:50,730 with clients like Shopify, indeed. ZocDoc and Oracle, 1120 01:07:50,730 --> 01:07:53,400 NetSuite. We're working on a plan for NetSuite would like to 1121 01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:57,930 clewd include no agenda? bolded. May you please direct me to your 1122 01:07:57,930 --> 01:08:01,020 sales? Rep. We would like to get confirmation on the rates below. 1123 01:08:01,740 --> 01:08:06,300 And, and I said, Hey, we are listener funded have been for 17 1124 01:08:06,300 --> 01:08:08,760 years. We don't take any ads. Funny enough. I was just on the 1125 01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:12,030 media roundtable Podcast with your CEO talking about it. God 1126 01:08:12,030 --> 01:08:17,700 bless. Nice. It's like so they there's an inventory issue. 1127 01:08:17,700 --> 01:08:21,780 That's obvious. And I think chyron I think you're right, I 1128 01:08:21,780 --> 01:08:26,340 think it does have to do with brand safety, and Garm and all 1129 01:08:26,340 --> 01:08:30,180 that stuff. That's, that's in play. And as we know, although 1130 01:08:30,180 --> 01:08:34,320 it's been called into question, there's really only you know, 1131 01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:41,880 320 350,000 podcasts that are truly active. Which, you know, 1132 01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:46,950 is our podcast index numbers? You know, and then, and then I 1133 01:08:46,950 --> 01:08:51,150 hear the, you know, hear the Spotify dude, talking about, 1134 01:08:51,150 --> 01:08:53,700 whoa, you have 6 million podcasts, we have a quarter 1135 01:08:53,700 --> 01:08:55,890 million videos, or what does that what does that mean? A 1136 01:08:55,890 --> 01:09:00,840 quarter million video episodes, a quarter million video shows, 1137 01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:04,230 you know, it's like it's all real. Oh, yes. And people really 1138 01:09:04,230 --> 01:09:07,980 like our app because we're lean back. Okay. All right, fine, 1139 01:09:08,010 --> 01:09:09,810 fine. It sounds like crap. 1140 01:09:10,650 --> 01:09:13,230 Kyrin Down: is slightly off topic. But one of the things 1141 01:09:13,230 --> 01:09:17,730 I've been noticing on YouTube so like, you know, the YouTube 1142 01:09:17,730 --> 01:09:22,080 algorithm just gets me sometimes and I go down the rabbit hole. 1143 01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:27,300 Yes. I've been watching like f1 TrackMania. Racing. It's a it's 1144 01:09:27,300 --> 01:09:30,690 like a game I have no, no, I have no intention of ever 1145 01:09:30,690 --> 01:09:34,560 playing or doing anything with but the I found the creator on 1146 01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:39,780 the and it's really interesting watching and noticing how often 1147 01:09:40,110 --> 01:09:43,650 they will not say certain words sometimes now. So for example, 1148 01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:48,270 he's interacting with his live stream, and I think it was the 1149 01:09:48,270 --> 01:09:52,350 word. Someone said something about, like, it might have even 1150 01:09:52,350 --> 01:09:55,230 been a book like Slaughterhouse Five or something. And he 1151 01:09:55,230 --> 01:09:58,170 wouldn't say the word slaughter because he'd get demonetized 1152 01:09:58,170 --> 01:10:01,590 Yeah, and um, I'm just wondering how often 1153 01:10:01,890 --> 01:10:04,770 Adam Curry: Oh, no, this is a big deal. I mean, I'm seeing it 1154 01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:09,480 even on on AIX. People won't write the word assassination 1155 01:10:09,480 --> 01:10:15,690 they do all Asterix Oh, suicide. You know, the big one is a PDF 1156 01:10:15,690 --> 01:10:21,990 file. That's another one that's out there. Yeah, there's PDF 1157 01:10:21,990 --> 01:10:25,200 files all over this place like what awaits? Oh, now I see what 1158 01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:29,850 you're talking about. Yeah. Our Asterix P E. I mean, they're 1159 01:10:29,850 --> 01:10:33,720 literally it is the literal censorship of speech. It's 1160 01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:37,620 amazing. What's what's going on? And then I, I'm just so happy 1161 01:10:37,620 --> 01:10:39,870 that we don't have to deal with that. Now. 1162 01:10:40,410 --> 01:10:43,170 Kyrin Down: Yeah, that that's that's one of the the huge core 1163 01:10:43,170 --> 01:10:47,370 concepts of visa vie that drags me in, it just completely takes 1164 01:10:47,370 --> 01:10:51,210 you away from the incentive system that that makes that 1165 01:10:51,660 --> 01:10:54,870 necessary in the sense of if you're, if you're wanting to, 1166 01:10:55,290 --> 01:10:58,560 you know, just earn a living through what you're creating. 1167 01:10:58,620 --> 01:10:59,520 Yeah, exactly. 1168 01:10:59,910 --> 01:11:03,060 Dave Jones: I wonder if just hearing you talk, it struck me, 1169 01:11:03,060 --> 01:11:09,450 I wonder if the OP three list of pile of shows like public IP, 1170 01:11:09,450 --> 01:11:13,140 three pages, I wonder if that is going to be be something that 1171 01:11:13,500 --> 01:11:16,590 advertisers are looking at. And they're going to start reaching 1172 01:11:16,590 --> 01:11:20,700 out to shows with, like, you see what I'm saying? 1173 01:11:20,730 --> 01:11:21,900 Adam Curry: Yeah, why not? If 1174 01:11:21,900 --> 01:11:23,820 Dave Jones: they're gonna start eyeballing that page? If they 1175 01:11:23,820 --> 01:11:29,670 don't, that's dumb, it's dumb of them not to honestly. because 1176 01:11:29,670 --> 01:11:34,260 how else would they find? I mean, how, how else is an 1177 01:11:34,260 --> 01:11:39,750 advertiser going? Why would two advertisers find you find no 1178 01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:41,370 agenda at the same time? 1179 01:11:42,060 --> 01:11:44,430 Adam Curry: I think that just they just blanket email the 1180 01:11:44,430 --> 01:11:49,080 list, you know, they got it from somewhere. They bought a list. 1181 01:11:49,230 --> 01:11:52,950 You know, it's from the RSS feeds. He thinks, oh, 1182 01:11:53,190 --> 01:11:54,090 guaranteed. 1183 01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:59,280 Dave Jones: What they did there. How would they know the download 1184 01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:01,230 numbers? See, that's that's the thing. No, no, 1185 01:12:01,230 --> 01:12:05,730 Adam Curry: I sent him the the OP three link. I said, here's 1186 01:12:05,730 --> 01:12:06,720 here's my numbers. 1187 01:12:06,810 --> 01:12:09,240 Dave Jones: But you didn't get a you did not get an email from 1188 01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:11,760 them. No, no, no facts. 1189 01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:13,800 Adam Curry: No, no, you're right. You're right. I didn't 1190 01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:16,890 what was fans within the company? Dave? Yes. 1191 01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:18,900 Dave Jones: Clearly, yes. Show. 1192 01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:23,010 Adam Curry: This clip this, CNBC. Yeah. Okay. 1193 01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:25,140 Unknown: So let me separate this, then you're not 1194 01:12:25,140 --> 01:12:27,660 necessarily saying this is a bearish development for Google. 1195 01:12:27,660 --> 01:12:30,270 But what's even more interesting is you're saying that we 1196 01:12:30,270 --> 01:12:33,180 shouldn't think of YouTube as this amazing destination for 1197 01:12:33,180 --> 01:12:36,150 ads. I, I find that almost shocking, because we know it's 1198 01:12:36,150 --> 01:12:38,790 the biggest streamer. Now, this is where all of us, myself 1199 01:12:38,790 --> 01:12:41,520 included, spend so much of our time, there's not more power in 1200 01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:45,030 that, although, I pay for the ad free version. 1201 01:12:46,290 --> 01:12:49,710 Yeah, so if you if you were not paying for the ad free version, 1202 01:12:49,740 --> 01:12:53,250 this is what would happen. Every time a video starts. You would 1203 01:12:53,250 --> 01:12:56,610 be hovering over your mouse to scale. And meaning every time 1204 01:12:56,610 --> 01:13:00,540 that commercial starts. You don't get that on Peacock, you 1205 01:13:00,540 --> 01:13:03,810 know, like your parent company. You don't get that anywhere 1206 01:13:03,810 --> 01:13:06,990 else. It's just not it's just a totally different experience. 1207 01:13:07,230 --> 01:13:10,200 People can ignore the eyeballs, but they don't love the ad 1208 01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:12,390 experience. So users don't love it. And honestly, the 1209 01:13:12,390 --> 01:13:14,160 advertisers don't love it either. 1210 01:13:14,220 --> 01:13:16,260 Alright, final question. We asked you to shift hats a little 1211 01:13:16,260 --> 01:13:19,140 bit because you're also quite a heavy stock picker as you eluded 1212 01:13:19,410 --> 01:13:20,070 you 1213 01:13:20,070 --> 01:13:22,350 Dave Jones: can kill it. That was pretty much it's like he's 1214 01:13:22,350 --> 01:13:25,800 right. You're just you're watching that countdown timer 1215 01:13:25,860 --> 01:13:28,500 and with your hover, hovering over the skip button. Oh, yeah. 1216 01:13:28,500 --> 01:13:33,000 So I mean, you want out of that adds so fast. It's in because 1217 01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,580 they even offer it like if you're on these the other 1218 01:13:35,580 --> 01:13:39,690 streaming services, like, you know, like Paramount plus, or 1219 01:13:39,690 --> 01:13:43,620 something like that. There's no There's no, there's no, there's 1220 01:13:43,620 --> 01:13:46,740 no skip. Yeah, so you're just you're just going for the ride. 1221 01:13:46,830 --> 01:13:51,240 But I mean, like the YouTube is, you know, we've talked about 1222 01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:56,460 this before that we just assume that YouTube is highly 1223 01:13:56,460 --> 01:14:02,130 profitable. On the you know, I'm not so sure that we can assume 1224 01:14:02,130 --> 01:14:04,680 that they don't actually report profit. They only report 1225 01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:05,880 revenue. Yeah, 1226 01:14:05,910 --> 01:14:08,280 Adam Curry: I mean, it's not like that video processing and 1227 01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:10,740 hosting is cheap for them. I mean, it's yeah, it's gonna be 1228 01:14:10,740 --> 01:14:16,530 cheaper than you know. A podcast host doing it. Right. But yeah, 1229 01:14:16,530 --> 01:14:21,750 I don't know Matt here let me see. On YouTube numbers don't 1230 01:14:21,750 --> 01:14:22,410 lie. 1231 01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:28,050 Dave Jones: Cuz because the other the other thing the 1232 01:14:28,050 --> 01:14:34,800 earnings that hit today, or last night, there was another big 1233 01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:39,900 streaming I was it was at Paramount. Can't remember one of 1234 01:14:39,900 --> 01:14:44,400 the other big streaming company said that they had like 30% 1235 01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:50,130 growth year over year, and they narrowed their their they 1236 01:14:50,130 --> 01:14:53,910 narrowed their profit Miss to only 384 million for the 1237 01:14:53,910 --> 01:15:02,520 quarter. Two. They they lost 300 million dollars for the quarter. 1238 01:15:02,820 --> 01:15:06,210 Like, you can't that's that just seems insurmountable. 1239 01:15:07,290 --> 01:15:11,010 Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, what's what's happening is you still 1240 01:15:11,010 --> 01:15:16,410 have the podcast Industrial Press, also known as PIP. And 1241 01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:20,430 the pips, they're still out there saying, oh, video got a 1242 01:15:20,430 --> 01:15:23,400 video gotta go movie, everyone's doing video, which is really 1243 01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:25,920 code for you got to go on YouTube because that's where 1244 01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:28,980 there's still money. And that's drying up. It's just not there. 1245 01:15:29,730 --> 01:15:31,890 Dave Jones: Well, Todd, you know, Todd warned about that. 1246 01:15:32,850 --> 01:15:36,750 Forever. He's like, you're because because Rob kept 1247 01:15:36,750 --> 01:15:40,770 challenging on his, like your day? Yeah, like, you're poor. 1248 01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,900 You're poopoo and video, and everybody knows you should do 1249 01:15:42,900 --> 01:15:45,210 video and Todd's like, hey, this, if you want to do video, 1250 01:15:45,210 --> 01:15:47,970 that's fine. But I'm not gonna push you into it. Because, you 1251 01:15:47,970 --> 01:15:50,430 know, a year from now, when you're losing your butt, I don't 1252 01:15:50,430 --> 01:15:52,890 want you to blame me. Yeah. And that's what's gonna happen. 1253 01:15:52,980 --> 01:15:53,430 Yeah. 1254 01:15:53,700 --> 01:15:58,650 Adam Curry: And even from Daniel X own words, he's like, Well, 1255 01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:02,760 you know, it's like, yeah. Or even I was hearing Sam talk 1256 01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:06,060 about it. Sam Sethi. It's like, because, you know, he believes 1257 01:16:06,060 --> 01:16:09,960 that his daughters are exactly what everyone does. So I said, 1258 01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:12,630 Well, this is what the kids are doing. And he says, well, 1259 01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:15,420 they'll start off on YouTube, but then they're cooking or 1260 01:16:15,510 --> 01:16:17,940 doing something else. And they're just listening. Yeah, 1261 01:16:18,030 --> 01:16:20,520 exactly. They're just listening. 1262 01:16:20,910 --> 01:16:23,610 Dave Jones: Here it was, it says revenue grew year over year at 1263 01:16:23,610 --> 01:16:26,880 NBC Universal's peacock streaming service, bringing 1264 01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,660 operating losses down to 348 million. Wow. 1265 01:16:30,900 --> 01:16:33,900 Adam Curry: Wow. Yeah, that's not good. Yeah. Good. 1266 01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,320 Dave Jones: And that's before that they before they secured 1267 01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:42,180 their 11 year deal with the NBA. Like, so there. That's not going 1268 01:16:42,180 --> 01:16:42,750 to be cheap. 1269 01:16:43,620 --> 01:16:46,710 Adam Curry: No, that's hundreds of millions. Oh, yeah. A lot of 1270 01:16:46,710 --> 01:16:47,670 money. The 1271 01:16:47,670 --> 01:16:50,070 Dave Jones: services are there, these services are never going 1272 01:16:50,070 --> 01:16:51,270 to be profitable. 1273 01:16:51,300 --> 01:16:54,060 Adam Curry: I don't think so. either. You know, if you look at 1274 01:16:54,390 --> 01:16:57,030 Paramount, although it's being challenged, you know, didn't 1275 01:16:57,030 --> 01:17:00,450 they just sell for like four or $5 billion for everything? 1276 01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,750 Dave Jones: For every like the whole kit and caboodle? Yeah. I 1277 01:17:03,750 --> 01:17:07,110 Adam Curry: mean, that's, that's that's not a lot of money. No, 1278 01:17:07,530 --> 01:17:15,390 Dave Jones: no, not for that. I did a I did a met up with a lady 1279 01:17:15,390 --> 01:17:19,260 from Zebedee last night. Oh, interesting. Yeah. And we're 1280 01:17:19,260 --> 01:17:22,680 gonna try to like put a call together. She she's like, she 1281 01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:29,250 said that, that they could definitely give us like a we 1282 01:17:29,250 --> 01:17:32,910 want to call like a rundown like an easy to use easy to, to 1283 01:17:32,910 --> 01:17:37,980 explain rundown for developers that want to use they beggins 1284 01:17:37,980 --> 01:17:39,210 Ebody? Wallace? Yes. 1285 01:17:39,540 --> 01:17:41,550 Adam Curry: They charge what they charge for it? Don't they 1286 01:17:41,550 --> 01:17:42,420 charge money? 1287 01:17:42,870 --> 01:17:46,770 Dave Jones: I don't think so. I thought I thought they charge 1288 01:17:46,770 --> 01:17:48,840 Adam Curry: money. If they don't charge money for it, bring it 1289 01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:52,140 on. If they'll just take a piece of the action. I 1290 01:17:52,140 --> 01:17:55,020 Dave Jones: think it's just a custodial wallet, like strike 1291 01:17:55,020 --> 01:17:58,050 and in cash app. And the rest of it? 1292 01:17:58,050 --> 01:18:00,270 Adam Curry: Well, if I look at their developer page, it's like, 1293 01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:06,540 you know, contact us if you want to use us, okay. She, 1294 01:18:06,630 --> 01:18:09,150 Dave Jones: she's supposed to be sending me an email. So I'm just 1295 01:18:09,300 --> 01:18:09,480 blown 1296 01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:14,040 Adam Curry: away. Because I found him basically takes I 1297 01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:17,790 think 4% processing, which is a lot. But you know, unless 1298 01:18:17,790 --> 01:18:25,350 you're, unless you're a premium or premium user. But that's, you 1299 01:18:25,350 --> 01:18:32,070 know, if they would give it away the way like Stripe does, and 1300 01:18:32,070 --> 01:18:34,710 just take a piece of the lightning fees or whatever. I 1301 01:18:34,710 --> 01:18:39,450 mean, I think that's the way to go. And make a lot of sense to 1302 01:18:39,450 --> 01:18:40,890 me. It 1303 01:18:40,890 --> 01:18:44,730 Dave Jones: was really cool to just see, like, I don't know, I 1304 01:18:45,420 --> 01:18:47,550 don't know if it hit you the same way, Karen, but it was 1305 01:18:47,550 --> 01:18:52,890 like, it was just really come into this event and seeing 1306 01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:58,290 everything like in action. See, seeing all this stuff happening, 1307 01:18:58,890 --> 01:19:04,110 all revolving around the podcasting 2.0 protocols that 1308 01:19:04,590 --> 01:19:09,450 this community has built. Like, I mean, all, all of us working 1309 01:19:09,450 --> 01:19:15,030 together over the last four years have you poured hours into 1310 01:19:15,030 --> 01:19:20,880 these protocols? And then and these products, and then to see 1311 01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:26,880 that sort of like, in real life up on a stage with somebody like 1312 01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:30,780 Joe Martin playing and booths rolling in behind me on a 1313 01:19:30,780 --> 01:19:36,450 screen. It's awesome. It was it really, I don't think you get 1314 01:19:36,450 --> 01:19:41,490 that opportunity in life very often to, to do something where 1315 01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:47,520 it makes, like this big broad impact. But in a way that's not 1316 01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:51,300 like it's not like launching a product or something like I 1317 01:19:51,300 --> 01:19:58,650 mean, like you, you get a real sense of giving something to, to 1318 01:19:58,650 --> 01:20:02,520 society where it's Like you've you just, you built a protocol, 1319 01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:06,360 not a product and you say, okay, here is this thing. You can just 1320 01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:10,350 have it and, and then you see something done with it that 1321 01:20:10,350 --> 01:20:13,230 makes a lot of people's lives better. Like that's not you 1322 01:20:13,230 --> 01:20:15,510 don't get those opportunities very much. And it was really 1323 01:20:15,510 --> 01:20:18,420 like, I don't know, had like a little bit of a moment last 1324 01:20:18,420 --> 01:20:21,540 night, just checking, just just seeing it all happening in 1325 01:20:21,540 --> 01:20:22,080 person. 1326 01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:26,580 Kyrin Down: Yeah, for me, it just, it's almost like a 1327 01:20:26,610 --> 01:20:31,530 confirmation that it's all real. So, yeah, the so many, so many 1328 01:20:31,530 --> 01:20:35,580 experiences nowadays are just through the internet or through 1329 01:20:35,610 --> 01:20:40,620 a screen or, I don't know, like a different medium whereas you 1330 01:20:40,620 --> 01:20:44,430 go there and then you meet like McIntosh from Satoshis plebs who 1331 01:20:44,430 --> 01:20:47,220 have been boosting in for you know, for the last two to three 1332 01:20:47,220 --> 01:20:50,820 years. Blueberries there and he's got as you know, crew of 1333 01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:56,040 how many mics set up in his Airbnb, like the ridiculous 1334 01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:58,950 thing going on, and then also being able to use it, you know, 1335 01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:04,560 I got out my phone, you know, I'm, I'm almost, I don't want to 1336 01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:07,530 say technologically illiterate, but when it comes to like 1337 01:21:07,530 --> 01:21:11,070 things, I don't have much patience for stuffing around. 1338 01:21:11,070 --> 01:21:13,860 That's why I've never gotten a node for example, but yet I 1339 01:21:13,860 --> 01:21:17,610 could just open up a phone. I send a boost in appears on the 1340 01:21:17,610 --> 01:21:20,610 screen instantly. And it's like, oh, yeah, it all of this is 1341 01:21:20,610 --> 01:21:22,020 real. And it actually works. 1342 01:21:22,050 --> 01:21:25,110 Adam Curry: I can tell you this is so much like the early days 1343 01:21:25,110 --> 01:21:29,820 of podcasting 1.0 When just people were showing up and just 1344 01:21:29,820 --> 01:21:32,580 you know, everyone's trying to figure it out together and there 1345 01:21:32,580 --> 01:21:37,170 was this coopetition is beautiful. It really is it's a 1346 01:21:37,170 --> 01:21:40,950 very it's for all you young boys out there. This is very unique. 1347 01:21:40,950 --> 01:21:41,700 Enjoy it. 1348 01:21:42,810 --> 01:21:46,440 Kyrin Down: I'm loving it. It's also the it reminds me that 1349 01:21:46,440 --> 01:21:50,580 there's there's almost a hidden underbelly, because for example, 1350 01:21:50,610 --> 01:21:53,190 for some of the shows, sometimes you'll you'll get a boost of 1351 01:21:53,190 --> 01:21:56,370 like, I don't know, 30,000 sets or something from someone you've 1352 01:21:56,370 --> 01:21:59,400 never heard of before. But they've probably been listening 1353 01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:03,630 for for two to three years. Yeah, and they just reach out 1354 01:22:03,630 --> 01:22:06,060 for that first time. So that's 1355 01:22:06,150 --> 01:22:09,480 Adam Curry: very typical of value for value being the I get, 1356 01:22:09,510 --> 01:22:11,820 I get those notes all the time, like hey, I've been listening 1357 01:22:11,820 --> 01:22:16,230 for three years. Time for me to pony up. Now and then and then 1358 01:22:16,230 --> 01:22:18,000 they come in and they and they make it good. 1359 01:22:19,020 --> 01:22:21,390 Dave Jones: Seeing everybody in real life has been cool to like 1360 01:22:21,420 --> 01:22:26,010 Eric peepee is like super tall with this long, flowing locks of 1361 01:22:26,010 --> 01:22:27,180 golden hair. Oh, 1362 01:22:27,180 --> 01:22:29,310 Adam Curry: real golden hair. Yeah. 1363 01:22:29,550 --> 01:22:36,840 Dave Jones: And you know, Karen is six foot one handsome. And 1364 01:22:36,930 --> 01:22:38,160 it's great credibly 1365 01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:41,520 Adam Curry: rapping he's strapping Dave dashing, 1366 01:22:41,550 --> 01:22:45,240 Dave Jones: dashing, yes, yes. You know, and, but you know, 1367 01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:48,840 Burberry, like he comes in and she starts showing us these 1368 01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:53,700 pictures of that room. There's like 30 mics in that room. It is 1369 01:22:53,730 --> 01:22:56,700 insane. It's complete insanity doing 1370 01:22:56,850 --> 01:22:59,730 Adam Curry: something like doing some kind of live thing from 1371 01:22:59,730 --> 01:23:02,940 their their own their own live show from the hotel room. 1372 01:23:03,150 --> 01:23:06,510 Dave Jones: They had they have an air b&b like 45 minutes away 1373 01:23:06,510 --> 01:23:10,710 from Nashville. It's like a it's like the podcasting dungeon or 1374 01:23:10,710 --> 01:23:16,560 whatever. And it is it's every no agenda stream show. Like it's 1375 01:23:16,590 --> 01:23:23,610 it's like balls with buds. Yeah. Boop. It's grown hits. They're 1376 01:23:23,610 --> 01:23:24,300 all in the songs. 1377 01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:25,710 Adam Curry: I love that 1378 01:23:26,340 --> 01:23:27,360 Dave Jones: over each other. Right. 1379 01:23:28,020 --> 01:23:32,940 Adam Curry: That's so great. Fantastic. Well, why don't we 1380 01:23:32,940 --> 01:23:35,250 thank some people let me we didn't get I don't think we got 1381 01:23:35,250 --> 01:23:38,970 a lot of booths here today. Let me see we got I can run down the 1382 01:23:38,970 --> 01:23:44,820 list. 777 from Dred Scott. He says when will pod verse support 1383 01:23:44,820 --> 01:23:49,290 live wallets switching up? Okay, 1384 01:23:50,310 --> 01:23:51,720 Dave Jones: getting back in the game, by the way he 1385 01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:54,330 Adam Curry: is he is yeah, he's gonna rebuild from the ground 1386 01:23:54,330 --> 01:23:57,960 up. Right. That's what I heard. Yeah, I love that. 10,000 SATs 1387 01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:01,740 from page or 10,000 as we heard before carbon rules. We got 1388 01:24:01,740 --> 01:24:07,530 6069 69 from a citizen boosting this insanity. Another triple 1389 01:24:07,530 --> 01:24:11,550 seven from Dred Scott bottle service to room 2514 Please. 1390 01:24:14,310 --> 01:24:19,650 26th 26th from chimp booths down under. We got 1948 from Sir 1391 01:24:19,650 --> 01:24:24,900 Brian of London. Hey, drubbed. Sudo RM dash r star Okay, don't 1392 01:24:24,900 --> 01:24:28,980 do that drip. No, no, I don't know what that was for. RG black 1393 01:24:28,980 --> 01:24:34,470 316 with 1111 Go podcasting. Oh, I see what was Dred Scott came 1394 01:24:34,470 --> 01:24:39,150 up with an RM dash r forward slash star there. I don't know 1395 01:24:39,150 --> 01:24:41,610 what these guys are doing. They're doing very, very evil 1396 01:24:41,610 --> 01:24:47,520 commands. We got a mini striper boost 7777 from Dred Scott Adam 1397 01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:52,620 loves people. No, I don't know. I don't really. Let me see and I 1398 01:24:52,620 --> 01:24:56,760 think that's, that's all we got. Yeah, I'm hit. I hit the 1399 01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:59,730 delimiter. So go for it. Dave What you got, though, 1400 01:24:59,730 --> 01:25:01,710 Dave Jones: I guess Pay pals. This did not have a chance to 1401 01:25:01,710 --> 01:25:05,130 print these out so I'm going to have to clumsily go through my 1402 01:25:05,130 --> 01:25:09,540 email and read them. Michael Goggin, I'm just gonna these are 1403 01:25:09,540 --> 01:25:11,340 all going to be together monthlies, then everything 1404 01:25:11,340 --> 01:25:15,270 together. Okay, good. Michael Goggin $5 Thank you Michael. 1405 01:25:15,780 --> 01:25:23,520 Charles current $5 Jorge Hernandez $5. Con glotzbach $5 1406 01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:29,010 Thank you, Colin. Christopher. Reamer $10 James Sullivan $10 1407 01:25:29,010 --> 01:25:34,320 Thank you, James. Jordan Dunnville $10 Michael Kimmerer 1408 01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:38,730 $5.33 Michael was the standout with it. Yeah. 33 Very nice. 1409 01:25:38,730 --> 01:25:45,690 Yeah. drips got $15 Thank you drip and Beats Music podcasts at 1410 01:25:45,690 --> 01:25:49,800 $17.77 with a note Oh, 1411 01:25:49,860 --> 01:25:52,080 Adam Curry: there you go. Afternoon 1412 01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:55,290 Dave Jones: boardroom from salty crayon. Good to hear the hot 1413 01:25:55,290 --> 01:25:57,810 namespace talk is live in Nashville. Dave, make sure you 1414 01:25:57,810 --> 01:26:01,170 get over to old butcher Texas slim and get in on the 1415 01:26:01,170 --> 01:26:02,190 Kettlemans feast. 1416 01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:03,000 Adam Curry: Oh yeah. 1417 01:26:03,030 --> 01:26:05,130 Dave Jones: Drink that you'll never drink that beef milkshake 1418 01:26:05,130 --> 01:26:07,770 ever again. five by five in the pipe. Go podcasting. That 1419 01:26:07,770 --> 01:26:11,520 Adam Curry: is indeed podcast. That's right. The Catalans feast 1420 01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:14,220 is in. In Nashville as well. 1421 01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:16,140 Dave Jones: I don't know what this is. Please explain. 1422 01:26:19,620 --> 01:26:24,180 Adam Curry: I love it when an angel walks over me. What was 1423 01:26:24,180 --> 01:26:25,290 that hold on a second. Did 1424 01:26:25,290 --> 01:26:26,760 Dave Jones: Angel get their wings? That was? 1425 01:26:27,090 --> 01:26:30,990 Adam Curry: That was Sir TJ the wrathful 7777. Such a pleasure 1426 01:26:30,990 --> 01:26:33,300 meeting everyone at the vinyl lounge last night. Hey, Adam. 1427 01:26:33,510 --> 01:26:36,120 Joe Martin did a shout out to you during his set and the whole 1428 01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:39,150 place went nuts. Thank you for your courage. Oh, that's nice. 1429 01:26:39,150 --> 01:26:45,090 Dave Jones: He did he he gave about a three minute talk about 1430 01:26:45,210 --> 01:26:49,380 how thankful he was that for you inventing podcasting and now 1431 01:26:49,380 --> 01:26:52,770 forbidden any podcasting? 2.00 It's very sweet. 1432 01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:56,190 Adam Curry: Oh my goodness. That's so kind. I love I love 1433 01:26:56,220 --> 01:27:00,030 Joe Martin because he sings with a with a southern drawl. But 1434 01:27:00,030 --> 01:27:01,110 he's British. 1435 01:27:01,410 --> 01:27:02,340 Dave Jones: Yeah, it's funny. 1436 01:27:02,940 --> 01:27:05,700 Adam Curry: Just Oh, let me thank Adam. Yeah, 1437 01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:11,670 Dave Jones: he he said that he played a song. True. I'm 1438 01:27:11,670 --> 01:27:15,240 struggling to remember the title. He played a song and he 1439 01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:20,010 said that the song what that song was inspired by something 1440 01:27:20,010 --> 01:27:24,090 that you said on booster Graham ball. Oh, about about one of his 1441 01:27:24,090 --> 01:27:25,650 songs. Oh, goodness. 1442 01:27:26,490 --> 01:27:28,770 Adam Curry: I needed I need to recording I need to find out 1443 01:27:28,770 --> 01:27:32,940 what he said. That's cool. Very cool. What was I gonna say there 1444 01:27:32,940 --> 01:27:36,930 was something that cattlemen faced, oh, yes, sir, Texas limb 1445 01:27:36,930 --> 01:27:41,640 has set up this, you know, this not for profit. Beef 1446 01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:45,270 initiative.com. And he's just been trying to get, you know, 1447 01:27:45,270 --> 01:27:50,160 connect ranchers directly to people who need food. And he 1448 01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:53,370 found that the first people who really understood the value 1449 01:27:53,370 --> 01:27:58,020 concept, were Bitcoiners. So he started getting Bitcoiners to 1450 01:27:58,020 --> 01:28:01,650 come out. And he's been doing these mini conferences. And the 1451 01:28:01,650 --> 01:28:04,890 Kettlemans feasts is we I think there's a small price and 1452 01:28:04,890 --> 01:28:08,910 entrance fee. But then they basically you sit at a table and 1453 01:28:08,910 --> 01:28:11,130 there's you know, it's just everyone gets a big piece of wax 1454 01:28:11,130 --> 01:28:14,670 paper and just plunked down piece of beef after beef, all 1455 01:28:14,670 --> 01:28:17,610 different kinds of cuts. They talked about what it is, it's 1456 01:28:17,610 --> 01:28:21,840 all made there. Right on right on premises. They got cooks and 1457 01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:25,230 chefs and all it's really, if you have time, it's really 1458 01:28:25,230 --> 01:28:29,220 advisable is awesome, awesome experience. Is that here in 1459 01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:32,280 Nashville? Yeah, it's in Nashville because he did it, you 1460 01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:34,620 know, in conjunction with the Bitcoin Conference. So 1461 01:28:35,070 --> 01:28:37,470 Dave Jones: okay, Karen, we may need to go check that to 1462 01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:39,750 Adam Curry: me, you will not be disappointed if you have time. 1463 01:28:39,750 --> 01:28:42,780 You won't be disappointed. It's something too, and it's all 1464 01:28:42,780 --> 01:28:46,200 going to be cool people. And just great beef. 1465 01:28:46,650 --> 01:28:49,080 Dave Jones: Nice. Okay. I love great bass. 1466 01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:50,940 Adam Curry: I've heard that about you. 1467 01:28:52,530 --> 01:28:58,710 Dave Jones: Booster grams, DJ w 1976. Sets. Thank you, you found 1468 01:28:59,130 --> 01:29:02,550 that nice says as a node runner slash payment router, I question 1469 01:29:02,550 --> 01:29:05,130 the efficiency of sending multiple small payments versus 1470 01:29:05,130 --> 01:29:08,700 one large payment, although the small amount that node runners 1471 01:29:08,700 --> 01:29:12,360 received does support the network? Is it inefficient? Or 1472 01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:15,240 is it part of the circular economy? Hmm. 1473 01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:19,620 Adam Curry: Well, I think the conversation I've seen on 1474 01:29:19,620 --> 01:29:23,340 podcasts index on social everyone is kind of an agreement 1475 01:29:23,370 --> 01:29:26,820 that for the next phase, or how will we do these payments that 1476 01:29:26,970 --> 01:29:31,800 it's great to track your per second or per minute value, but 1477 01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:34,350 to send it at a batch and five minutes seems to be the 1478 01:29:34,350 --> 01:29:35,220 consensus. 1479 01:29:36,090 --> 01:29:39,210 Dave Jones: I didn't realize this so many of the podcast apps 1480 01:29:39,210 --> 01:29:40,110 already did that. 1481 01:29:40,140 --> 01:29:43,740 Adam Curry: Well, I know podcast guru does. I don't know if which 1482 01:29:43,740 --> 01:29:44,850 other ones do it. 1483 01:29:46,170 --> 01:29:49,290 Dave Jones: Fountain does. Are you sure? Yes. The Oscar so 1484 01:29:49,290 --> 01:29:52,650 Oscar told me that they that they batch payments. Yeah, yeah. 1485 01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:56,370 Adam Curry: Well, yeah, it makes sense. It makes a lot of sense. 1486 01:29:57,660 --> 01:30:01,500 Dave Jones: Not 9048 from Sir Brandon. London to cast ematic 1487 01:30:01,500 --> 01:30:04,950 he says strike not going to go away because it's a big 1488 01:30:04,950 --> 01:30:06,840 corporation lol 1489 01:30:08,940 --> 01:30:12,390 Adam Curry: yeah, by the way have put pod ping his pod ping 1490 01:30:12,390 --> 01:30:18,720 system into the splits for 2.00 Nice so that he can test his his 1491 01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:25,470 magical illegal gateway and money transmitter gateway and 1492 01:30:25,470 --> 01:30:29,580 also he deserves it you know he's pod ping needs needs help 1493 01:30:29,580 --> 01:30:31,110 and we're happy to do that. 1494 01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:34,500 Dave Jones: He says like every service Google ever offered in 1495 01:30:34,500 --> 01:30:37,110 Job Don't worry when big corporate tech screws it up and 1496 01:30:37,110 --> 01:30:39,810 BTC fails to innovate hive will have it working. 1497 01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:43,650 Adam Curry: Yeah. Yeah and I take I take that with in all 1498 01:30:43,650 --> 01:30:45,600 seriousness, I certainly have Brian 1499 01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:56,040 Dave Jones: due to s ECIL SOC s so SOC SLC two fountain 4321 1500 01:30:56,040 --> 01:30:59,970 says engineering remote since 2016. This podcast gives me the 1501 01:30:59,970 --> 01:31:02,730 background conversations that I don't get any more at the office 1502 01:31:02,910 --> 01:31:06,180 CrowdStrike info was enlightening. Always shut down 1503 01:31:06,180 --> 01:31:09,180 my 1000 watt heater at night. Thanks for all the tech talk. 1504 01:31:10,470 --> 01:31:15,300 You're welcome. Oh, yeah, by Anba in the CrowdStrike you 1505 01:31:15,300 --> 01:31:20,220 know, the follow up on CrowdStrike is they said we did 1506 01:31:20,220 --> 01:31:24,840 not test the the updates that we pushed out because we tested 1507 01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:26,340 them back in March and they seemed fine. 1508 01:31:28,110 --> 01:31:29,220 Unknown: Yes, exactly. 1509 01:31:30,690 --> 01:31:33,990 Dave Jones: Oh, Karen from mere mortals podcast and Karen 1111. 1510 01:31:33,990 --> 01:31:37,020 A central Richard's the fountain he says tipping doesn't work as 1511 01:31:37,020 --> 01:31:39,990 an example because you're already being forced to pay. And 1512 01:31:39,990 --> 01:31:42,750 then you're being asked to give extra you would be like getting 1513 01:31:42,750 --> 01:31:45,780 through a paywall only to be hit with a V for V pitch and asked 1514 01:31:45,780 --> 01:31:48,810 again, at least as an Aussie this system seems bizarre. 1515 01:31:49,230 --> 01:31:53,160 Kyrin Down: Yeah, I can just is tipping here as bizarre. I was 1516 01:31:53,190 --> 01:31:57,360 telling Dave as well. Basically, I'm mentally doubling every the 1517 01:31:57,360 --> 01:32:00,900 price of everything I see here because the Aussie dollar is not 1518 01:32:00,900 --> 01:32:05,190 as strong so $1 Us is 150 Australian, but then I'm having 1519 01:32:05,190 --> 01:32:10,050 a basically bump that up to two because of just taxes and, and 1520 01:32:10,050 --> 01:32:13,020 tipping which is I don't know it. Yeah, it kind of feels like 1521 01:32:13,050 --> 01:32:15,600 I'm being I'm being shipped every time I pay. It's just 1522 01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:19,770 like, you're basically going on the road. I'm not paying what I 1523 01:32:19,770 --> 01:32:21,510 think I'm paying for you know, best 1524 01:32:21,510 --> 01:32:23,400 Dave Jones: so it's okay. And like that's it Karen That's the 1525 01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:26,730 American experience. Yes, yes. Yeah, 1526 01:32:26,730 --> 01:32:30,870 Adam Curry: it is. By the way Sam Sethi just came in from true 1527 01:32:30,870 --> 01:32:34,050 fans with 1000 SATs love hearing everyone in Nashville having a 1528 01:32:34,050 --> 01:32:38,910 great night chaps sent from the NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW 1529 01:32:38,910 --> 01:32:44,250 NEW NEW NEW NEW true fans wallet. Nice 1530 01:32:44,460 --> 01:32:44,850 Dave Jones: guy. He's 1531 01:32:44,850 --> 01:32:45,840 Adam Curry: got that up and running. 1532 01:32:46,260 --> 01:32:50,190 Dave Jones: Sam is the only one missing like he's like. Where's 1533 01:32:50,190 --> 01:32:50,670 Sam? 1534 01:32:51,090 --> 01:32:52,110 Unknown: I don't think should be here. 1535 01:32:52,140 --> 01:32:55,500 Dave Jones: He should. He should. And Steven b i miss 1536 01:32:55,500 --> 01:32:57,060 Steven B. Yeah, be here too. 1537 01:32:57,090 --> 01:32:58,380 Adam Curry: He's got a real job. 1538 01:32:58,770 --> 01:32:59,850 Kyrin Down: There's not enough wine here. 1539 01:33:01,350 --> 01:33:04,230 Dave Jones: Hey, I've got a real job. I made it Yeah, that's 1540 01:33:04,230 --> 01:33:10,560 true. Brown in London again 11,948 says this time to podcast 1541 01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:15,090 do Rue all the compute ever used to validate Bitcoin as part of 1542 01:33:15,090 --> 01:33:18,630 the security cost of break it today? At the compute used on 1543 01:33:18,630 --> 01:33:22,050 discarded AI models. All the computer used on discarded AI 1544 01:33:22,050 --> 01:33:24,840 models is just burned. Brian of London. Yeah, 1545 01:33:24,870 --> 01:33:26,940 Adam Curry: yeah, that it's going down. I was listening to 1546 01:33:26,940 --> 01:33:32,670 CNBC this morning in the car. And people like, no, that's the 1547 01:33:32,670 --> 01:33:36,150 investment guys. So and he's like, you know, maybe these 1548 01:33:36,150 --> 01:33:39,540 bigger models isn't better. And maybe it'd be better to have 1549 01:33:39,540 --> 01:33:43,140 small, very dedicated models. I mean, model collapse is coming. 1550 01:33:43,170 --> 01:33:44,010 That's obvious. 1551 01:33:44,910 --> 01:33:47,580 Dave Jones: In Facebook, like 1552 01:33:47,670 --> 01:33:50,490 Adam Curry: just released the huge lambda model, open source 1553 01:33:50,490 --> 01:33:51,600 right here and 1554 01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:54,900 Dave Jones: you could see almost, you can see almost Glee 1555 01:33:54,900 --> 01:33:57,840 in Zuckerbergs eyes when he released it knowing that every 1556 01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:00,780 time they do a big model release is going to screw everybody 1557 01:34:00,780 --> 01:34:04,710 Adam Curry: else. Yeah, I think it's a great strategy is going 1558 01:34:04,710 --> 01:34:06,090 to help them go bankrupt. 1559 01:34:06,510 --> 01:34:09,000 Dave Jones: Is it just me or does Zuckerberg seem less 1560 01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:11,940 autistic now than he used to be? Yes, 1561 01:34:11,940 --> 01:34:16,710 Adam Curry: I think it's because he's gotten into MMA. He's doing 1562 01:34:16,710 --> 01:34:20,100 tai chi or something. Yeah, I think he's calmed down a lot. 1563 01:34:20,100 --> 01:34:24,750 And he's Yeah, this def I agree. I see a difference, but also, 1564 01:34:25,170 --> 01:34:32,340 like typical for Silicon Valley. Those guys or whoever's, so it 1565 01:34:32,340 --> 01:34:37,620 was like, they were all kind of libertarian slash Republican. 1566 01:34:37,620 --> 01:34:42,150 Everyone was hanging out, iron Rand books and wearing Rolexes 1567 01:34:42,150 --> 01:34:46,710 and then Obama came into office. Oh, no, I was not who we are. 1568 01:34:46,710 --> 01:34:50,340 All right. And they all were super Democrats. And now you 1569 01:34:50,340 --> 01:34:53,670 know, Trump seems to be the guy is like, oh, yeah, he's badass. 1570 01:34:53,670 --> 01:34:57,720 You know? Yeah. Trump. Yeah. They don't care. They don't 1571 01:34:57,720 --> 01:35:01,860 care. They just they just float Whoever is the eggs, whoever is 1572 01:35:01,860 --> 01:35:04,470 gonna give them better. You know, whoever is going to 1573 01:35:04,470 --> 01:35:07,500 deregulate, I guess or give them, give them whatever works 1574 01:35:07,500 --> 01:35:11,310 for them or give them a moat. Yeah. And I think Trump plays 1575 01:35:11,310 --> 01:35:15,630 into that he's very smart to bring in JD Vance. Bringing the 1576 01:35:15,630 --> 01:35:18,930 Pay Pal mafia mafia through the backdoor. He knows he knows. 1577 01:35:19,830 --> 01:35:21,360 We'll see. Comic 1578 01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:26,730 Dave Jones: Strip blogger to limiter 23,000 SATs. Through 1579 01:35:26,730 --> 01:35:30,360 Felton, he says, howdy, Dave and Adam, discover the art of 1580 01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:34,800 podcasting with about podcasting podcast. This show offers 1581 01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:38,430 invaluable insights, tips and techniques to elevate your 1582 01:35:38,430 --> 01:35:43,080 podcasting game. Join them for engaging discussions, expert 1583 01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:46,710 interviews and the latest trends in the podcasting world. Tune in 1584 01:35:46,710 --> 01:35:51,210 now and transform your podcasting journey visit WWW dot 1585 01:35:51,210 --> 01:35:54,570 about podcasting dot show to listen yo CSB. 1586 01:35:54,630 --> 01:35:57,180 Adam Curry: Yeah, that's fun. I listened to that from time to 1587 01:35:57,180 --> 01:35:57,600 time. 1588 01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:01,500 Dave Jones: Not heard that show. Yeah. Now there's, 1589 01:36:01,650 --> 01:36:05,040 Adam Curry: there's a couple of a couple of good about 1590 01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:10,560 podcasting shows that have cropped up. Barry does one. You 1591 01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:15,030 know, of course you have Daniel J. Lewis and Dave Jackson. 1592 01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:17,460 Where's Dave Jackson going? By the way? Do you know where his 1593 01:36:17,460 --> 01:36:18,210 new gig is? 1594 01:36:19,470 --> 01:36:23,070 Dave Jones: I don't know. I don't know. I'm glad that. I'm 1595 01:36:23,070 --> 01:36:26,550 glad he's okay. So it looks like you had like a nasty fall. Yeah, 1596 01:36:26,550 --> 01:36:27,510 got beat up and stuff 1597 01:36:27,690 --> 01:36:34,860 Adam Curry: was you. You look on your phone, man. Yeah. Tell you 1598 01:36:34,860 --> 01:36:38,130 what, why don't we? Why don't we leave it at this. We'll have a 1599 01:36:38,190 --> 01:36:41,190 more regular board meeting for next week. And I'm sure you'll 1600 01:36:41,190 --> 01:36:46,080 have tales from from the experience there. And what are 1601 01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:48,360 you guys doing? The rest of the afternoon tonight? 1602 01:36:50,460 --> 01:36:52,020 Dave Jones: Don't know exactly. We 1603 01:36:52,020 --> 01:36:54,480 Kyrin Down: go motoring. Dave Sesto. Yeah, yeah, I 1604 01:36:54,510 --> 01:36:56,670 Dave Jones: think we're gonna try to go find a rock climbing 1605 01:36:56,670 --> 01:36:58,200 gym around here and do some bouldering 1606 01:36:58,290 --> 01:36:59,820 Adam Curry: really? Yeah. 1607 01:37:00,810 --> 01:37:03,210 Dave Jones: I do rock climbing three days a week. That's my 1608 01:37:03,210 --> 01:37:04,170 main exercise. 1609 01:37:04,530 --> 01:37:08,250 Adam Curry: You know, how could I not know this? You didn't know 1610 01:37:08,250 --> 01:37:10,050 Dave Jones: this? For about a year now. 1611 01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:10,920 Kyrin Down: I didn't know it. 1612 01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:14,160 Adam Curry: And Chiron you're, you're also a rock climber. 1613 01:37:14,190 --> 01:37:16,680 Kyrin Down: Oh, not really, but I'll do it. It's it's 1614 01:37:18,060 --> 01:37:19,320 Adam Curry: pretty fun. Interesting. 1615 01:37:20,070 --> 01:37:25,890 Dave Jones: Yeah. Yeah, do the DO I DO bouldering three times a 1616 01:37:25,890 --> 01:37:30,450 week and then do calisthenics for the rest of my that's my 1617 01:37:30,450 --> 01:37:31,950 exercise birth date. 1618 01:37:31,980 --> 01:37:36,330 Adam Curry: Dred Scott comes in says, with triple seven. The 1619 01:37:36,330 --> 01:37:39,270 contrast in the difference between Adams impersonation of 1620 01:37:39,270 --> 01:37:42,450 comics or Blogger and Dave's reads of comics for Blogger are 1621 01:37:42,450 --> 01:37:48,120 fun. Because I know what he really said, I'm coming through 1622 01:37:48,120 --> 01:37:52,710 blogger. I don't like this your IP app not work. See 1623 01:37:52,710 --> 01:37:55,830 Dave Jones: this? Because I can't do that voice because I 1624 01:37:55,830 --> 01:37:59,400 haven't earned the right to do that voice yet. That's gonna 1625 01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:03,750 take me another 10 years of college bloggers? Yes. All 1626 01:38:03,750 --> 01:38:06,510 Adam Curry: right. All right. I'm calling have a great time 1627 01:38:06,510 --> 01:38:10,500 there in Nashville, everybody. Make sure you I'm sorry, Karen. 1628 01:38:10,740 --> 01:38:11,370 Yeah, I 1629 01:38:11,370 --> 01:38:15,420 Kyrin Down: wanted to just leave you briefly with this dispelling 1630 01:38:15,420 --> 01:38:18,720 of the advertisers coming through RP three. And that's how 1631 01:38:18,720 --> 01:38:22,140 they're finding you. So here's an email I received three days 1632 01:38:22,140 --> 01:38:26,940 ago. And it says mere mortal was question mark from Jana Rose, 1633 01:38:26,940 --> 01:38:31,680 who has the email Bell Martin Nelson. sixty@gmail.com. Hey, 1634 01:38:31,680 --> 01:38:36,030 chyron and blank. They've just completely missed Juan's name is 1635 01:38:36,030 --> 01:38:38,910 Jana here. I'm a huge fan of your models, your show is a 1636 01:38:38,910 --> 01:38:43,680 daily source of inspiration for me daily. And then 1637 01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:47,100 unfortunately, like I'm not as big as Adam so we don't get the 1638 01:38:47,190 --> 01:38:52,110 you know, the advertising. The mg the GM get no minimum 1639 01:38:52,110 --> 01:38:56,010 guarantees. So instead we get our guests pitches and I have 1640 01:38:56,040 --> 01:39:01,410 Ganesh Venkata Mannan something like that. And who Oh, the 1641 01:39:01,410 --> 01:39:05,250 guests all sorts of amazing things. Yeah. And a new book out 1642 01:39:05,250 --> 01:39:08,820 so I'm Yeah, I don't think they found it found us through. 1643 01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:12,690 Adam Curry: I have so many of these guests pitches. It's 1644 01:39:12,690 --> 01:39:16,470 hilarious. I now they just send them to spam now, you know, 1645 01:39:16,470 --> 01:39:18,930 because they come in with different email addresses. You 1646 01:39:18,930 --> 01:39:23,040 can't filter them out. You know, it's and it's all like that. It 1647 01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:25,890 looks like you know, just a regular email at first like, oh, 1648 01:39:25,890 --> 01:39:30,900 Adams. Oh, and then the go to the bottom PR agency like, okay, 1649 01:39:30,930 --> 01:39:37,500 yeah. Thanks a lot. Thanks a lot for polluting my inbox. 1650 01:39:38,730 --> 01:39:40,440 Dave Jones: That need you know what I need for these things in 1651 01:39:40,440 --> 01:39:45,000 the future? I was I've absolutely got to get one of 1652 01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:47,670 these audio sigma things. I would have been the perfect 1653 01:39:47,670 --> 01:39:48,780 solution for this. 1654 01:39:48,810 --> 01:39:51,810 Adam Curry: Yeah, particularly the dual mic one. 1655 01:39:52,080 --> 01:39:55,830 Dave Jones: Yes. The the mic, pod Mobile POD mobile. Yeah, 1656 01:39:55,830 --> 01:39:58,590 Adam Curry: the pod mobile. I gotta tell you it's an it's an 1657 01:39:58,590 --> 01:40:02,700 amazing device. Protect Clearly the mean, just for making you 1658 01:40:02,700 --> 01:40:08,070 sound good on any kind of mic, the preamps he's got the D noise 1659 01:40:08,070 --> 01:40:10,890 or the noise gate. All that stuff in there. It's amazing. It 1660 01:40:10,890 --> 01:40:14,460 really is Fernando came to this country output. Yeah. came to 1661 01:40:14,460 --> 01:40:17,280 this country with 100 bucks in his pocket. Yeah, 1662 01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:19,560 Dave Jones: I'm totally bought one of these because before I 1663 01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:20,970 come to one of these events again, 1664 01:40:21,030 --> 01:40:23,730 Adam Curry: it's it's worth it. It's well worth it. He 1665 01:40:23,730 --> 01:40:25,590 Kyrin Down: was from Brazil was Adam. 1666 01:40:26,670 --> 01:40:29,370 Dave Jones: I, yes, Argentina is in prison. Now. I 1667 01:40:29,370 --> 01:40:31,920 Adam Curry: think he I think he's from Brazil. Okay, cool. 1668 01:40:32,370 --> 01:40:38,820 I'll ask him. And he's looking for a wife. Just say that 1669 01:40:39,150 --> 01:40:41,010 Dave Jones: you're really helping him out on this show. 1670 01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:43,080 Adam Curry: I'm doing anything I can for this guy. I love my 1671 01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:49,080 brother over there. Marian. Hey guys. Have a great time there. 1672 01:40:49,080 --> 01:40:52,740 We'll talk to you next week. All right. Thank you boardrooms See 1673 01:40:52,740 --> 01:40:53,370 you next time. 1674 01:41:09,390 --> 01:41:13,950 Unknown: You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcasts 1675 01:41:13,980 --> 01:41:18,000 index.org. For more information, go podcast 1676 01:41:19,410 --> 01:41:20,850 Dave Jones: for phenomenal