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Adam Curry: podcasting two point
over September 22 2023, episode

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Hello everybody, welcome once

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again to podcasting 2.0 Your
Friday afternoon deadlights we

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are the only boardroom that
cannot be de platformed and it

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is here that we discussed the
future of podcasting, podcasting

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that is now everything going on
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and of course all the happenings
of podcasts index dot social.

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I'm Adam curry here in the heart
of the Texas Hill Country and in

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Alabama. He streams he screams
he's the man of your dreams

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ladies and gentlemen say hello
to my friend now on the other

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end the Wonderlic Mr. Dave Jones

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Dave Jones: it's always a race
to get that last bite of food

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swallow for you and into the
intro. Say my name because I'm

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like I'm like chewing like a
furious maniac

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Adam Curry: you know, we could
we could always just wait until

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you're you know until you're
done and then you know then

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start the show is really not a
problem.

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Dave Jones: By the way I get
down to it. We get we gotta we

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gotta move.

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Adam Curry: We got got stuff to
do baby got stuff to handle. And

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we got a guest today as well. So
there's lots going on here the

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podcast and 2.0 show. And crazy
enough. When it rains it pours.

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You brought clips and I brought
clips. No, we both brought the

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clips. No, no, we did not bring
the same clips. And today, I'm

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going to step aside and say,
Dave, first of all, how you

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doing? I doing, brother?

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Dave Jones: I'm good. Yeah, what

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Adam Curry: you've been working
on even working on anything.

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Dave Jones: That wasn't on a
roast beef sandwich. For the

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last 12 minutes.

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Adam Curry: How's the office? Is
the office okay, everything good

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with the office? The office is
fine. Yeah, not too bad. Oh,

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good.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. We
everything's going good. I was

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very grumpy last week.

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Adam Curry: What during the
show? Well, no, I thought I

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thought I thought I brought you
I thought I lifted you up a

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little bit near near the end
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Dave Jones: Yeah, this is a much
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normal baseline Dave, this week.
I'm feeling good. A figure, you

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know, figured out what my issue
was last week. The the enemy had

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invaded and thrown a smoke bomb
on me. That's exactly what it

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was.

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Adam Curry: When you started
wishing gonorrhea on people I

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knew something was off. This is
not this is not mobile, not to

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Dave Jones. And by the way, the
AI transcription service got

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caught it it spelled gonorrhea
correctly. Was very

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Dave Jones: lazy it can it can
it spelled gonorrhea. But it

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can't spell Johnson.

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Adam Curry: No matter how many
times I correct it. It's aI it's

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great. It's exactly what oh, man
so my have a start nine pro here

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in the in the shack.

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Dave Jones: Is this the start
nine that won't run helipad,

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because I haven't done my thing.
No, no,

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Adam Curry: no, it's run Hello,
Pat. I just couldn't upgrade.

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And in fact, Aaron, PP cut me a
new I guess there's an APK. I

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think, oddly enough, he caught
me he caught me a new whatever

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it is. And so I upgraded so I'm
now on to a new whatever it new

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whatever it is, and it upgraded
I actually had to had to delete

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the old upgrade path. That part
doesn't work. So I had to delete

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and then side load it and works
perfectly. In fact, I've am

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trans it's so stable. The Start
nine as a Bitcoin node as a

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lightning node. I'm
transitioning everything away

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from the surface laptop that has
kind of been the, you know, my

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node for forever, which does
from time to time, just kind of

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freeze up and do weird stuff.

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Dave Jones: As as as one has as
an umbrella. Yes, as the surface

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lineup is known to do

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Adam Curry: yes, as the combo
surface umbrellas. It's just not

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a good combo. Really. That's a
terrible, you know, and then if

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it freezes, and it comes back
up, and you have a new logical

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drive, and you have to remove
Docker containers, and you know,

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it's a whole pain in the butt.
So the start nine is beautiful.

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I mean, you know, some you can
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rebooted. It's kind of Mac like
in that way just works. And they

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released that chat GPT and
defusion for the start OS. So

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I've been playing me a
screenshot of this. Yeah. So I

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played around, I think it's
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They have LLM 's and I've been
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I mean compared to the Umbral,
it's super fast, I mean, it's

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fast. And you can you can load
the I think pretty big like

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this, this there's one seven
gigabyte model, I think which

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will take a little longer to get
a response. And in general, it's

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pathetic. I mean, all the stuff
I've done with it does scripture

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really well if you're looking
for scripture that you know?

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There's so much the scriptures
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it's like it's been around for a
while. So There's a there's a

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lot of stuff oh, gee boss, it
really is. So there's, there's a

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lot of text available. And that
in the context of that is quite

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good. So I was looking for
something and boom, it'll, it'll

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bring it right up. It's it's
actually quite, quite good at

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that. But everything else, you
know, don't use it as some kind

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of knowledge engine, you know,
if you want it, you know, like,

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who was Adam curry? You know,
before you know what I went to

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the college de Weiner went to I
mean, it's so stupid.

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Dave Jones: It makes so much
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Adam Curry: yeah, it's just but
I guess for writing, you know,

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some things it's used. But
anyway, it's just, it's, I'm

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really blown away by the, by the
robustness of the Start OS. But

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then, of course, particularly,
the start nine pro because it's,

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I think it's the purism
hardware, as good, it's just

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solid, I'm just making me very,
very happy. It runs all his run

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runs everything. Well.

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Dave Jones: So the LLM is run.
It's, you're saying it's

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passable? Like it can get the
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not going to beat you? Because
it's not, it's clearly not GPU

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accelerated? No,

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Adam Curry: no, but it's all
it's not slow. It's not slow at

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all. It's not as fast as GPT
three, you know, the chat dot

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open ai.whatever.or, that that
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it's, it's the same, I mean, it
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results.

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Dave Jones: Just a little bit
without much waiting. Yeah, just

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Adam Curry: a little slower,
just a little bit slower.

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There's not too much of a
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Dave Jones: A buddy of mine runs
a has a decent graphics card of

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his, you know, $500 graphics
card. And which is not

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unreasonable in that market. I
mean, that's that's pretty

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normal run of the mill. But
anyway, he he has that it's got

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a think 16 gigs of RAM on his
onboard on the card. And that is

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enough to just run pretty much
any LLM out there. And the cool

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thing of what he showed me is
like, when it comes to the one

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thing LLS can do, and this makes
a lot of sense, because I think

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they can do code programming
better than they can natural

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language. Because natural
language has lots of nuance.

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Adam Curry: Oh, you know, and
yes, you know, yes, it does. It

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does scripting very well. You
know, I've done some shell

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scripts. Oh, very by the way,
it's the it's the pure not the

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Pro to start nine server pure.
That's the one that it is. Yeah.

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Oh, you're scripting it does.
phenom. I mean, I've run a

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couple of scripts, just simple.
By just I'm just looking for a

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shell script into something very
easy because I can I can look at

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a shell script and go, Oh, I get
it. And those work. Those work

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fine. And pretty quickly.

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Dave Jones: It's so good that
for us. So like one of the this

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this sort of is not a secret
project. But it's just one of

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these things I'm working on that
I was going to talk to you about

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later. Is it required? So do you
remember limit?

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Adam Curry: Is this where we say
in the board meeting? Yeah,

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we'll talk about that offline.

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Dave Jones: Oh, Lord, no. Yeah,
pretty. I don't we really don't

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have any. Really,

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Adam Curry: we don't even talk
at all. This is this is this is

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our weekly chat. That's true.

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Dave Jones: But the I mean, I go
ahead to bed, so I will paste

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me. Let me just paste this into
the chat into this even into the

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chat chat into the IRC

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Adam Curry: or Oh, okay. All
right. Do not execute whatever

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code Dave is about to paste
everybody do not execute it.

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Whatever's going on, do not
execute. Just go

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Dave Jones: ahead and pipe it to
bash it'll be fun. Okay, let's

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see if this is gonna see if this
is fun, because it may crash

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thing.

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Adam Curry: So this is AI code
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Dave Jones: ran on is not a no.

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Adam Curry: This is Oh, do you
see that? When I see that? Yeah,

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let me hit that. I'm gonna hit
let me let me hit that. Hit it

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Radio dot book. I'm not gonna
mention the URL. Let me see.

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Yeah, okay, because it's not
coming up yet.

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Dave Jones: Not coming up.

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Adam Curry: Should it be an
HTTPS? Is it

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Dave Jones: No, it should not be
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Adam Curry: Well, that shouldn't
it's not coming up here from me.

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Dave Jones: Hmm, let's see if it
comes up for me. I may have just

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given everybody a false hope.

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Adam Curry: Thanks. See, I got
can't be reached.

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Dave Jones: You need to do to

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Adam Curry: does this. Does this
as port 8000 That's the idea

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Dave Jones: Huh? Well, that's
not that's not working. Well,

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what I was

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Adam Curry: saying Thanks for
Thanks for nothing. Is a real

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downer. Now like what were you
working on? On one stream some

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kind of stream of some some
sorts. Oh

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Dave Jones: Mita says he's here
in something. Okay. But it's

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evidently not working for some
people and some

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Adam Curry: people it is work.
Could there be a block here? I

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Dave Jones: Like, I've noticed
this some browsers just God,

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they do not want to do HTTP
like, Oh, no kidding.

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Adam Curry: No kidding. Let me
try this browser. I got another

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browser here. Well, if metus
could hear it, then something's

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Dave Jones: Or what actually
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Adam Curry: go. That whatever
that is. You got it. Yeah, I use

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the I use my Tor Browser. Funny
enough.

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Dave Jones: Okay, so what this
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Adam Curry: let me guess. Is
this the top 100 Playing in real

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Dave Jones: It is not the top
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Adam Curry: combo of all the
music podcasts? Yes. I love it.

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I love it.

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Dave Jones: It's basically value
for value radio. So all if you

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have a DJ show, the other music
show. Yeah, it'll show up here.

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It will be it will begin to play
through this ice cast server.

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Adam Curry: Now how do I how do
I send boost to it?

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Dave Jones: That's That's why
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Adam Curry: it's a test. Yeah.
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Dave Jones: so here, here's the
here's the here's the deal. So

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Jen, Jason, over what's his?
What's his buddy's name that

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that works on podcasts. Get
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Unknown: almost breaking the
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Dave Jones: dressers? That's

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Adam Curry: nice. Okay. All
right, Jason. Jason, what

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Dave Jones: is it? Jason? I
can't remember his name. Alex.

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Maybe? over it. Podcast podcast.
Yeah. Yeah. So they want to

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support live that your time
splits? You know? Yeah. And we

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don't. So Steven B created that
live the way he's doing it now.

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Is he's doing it with a lot with
a socket, the web socket io

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WebSocket. Yeah. Yeah. So it's
not actually web socket.

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socket.io. Okay, I'm gonna stop
and which is a, like a hosted

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socket. Socket service. So he's,
he's, he created that just to

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facilitate what he was doing.
He's like, Okay, we're going to

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do live we need to some way to
signal during the live

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broadcast. That that, uh, that a
split has changed, right. So

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what are that a song a different
song is now a

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Adam Curry: different a
different block is active. Let's

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put it that way. Yeah, yeah.

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Dave Jones: The wallet squishing
technology has activated.

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Adam Curry: That's catching on
that wallet. Switching

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technology. Everyone's using it.
Yeah. WSD Yeah, I love it. It's

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actually M ws T magic wallet
switching technology.

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Dave Jones: So he, so he brought
that he brought that to life.

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But it's not as it's not
documented anywhere. It's not a

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standard. There's no nobody else
knows how to do this. It's just

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purely a curio casters flip
case, but kids

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Adam Curry: kind of just kind of
works in the in that in that

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environment? Yes, I use it
regularly.

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Dave Jones: It is the nonmagical
wallet switching technology.

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cloaked the clogged wallet

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itself. So we so I figured this
would be a way to if I bring up

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a 24/7 lady radio stream of all
the DJ shows. Yeah. Then we can

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use that as a as a sandbox in
order to hammer down what how we

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do this. This? Yeah, what socket
protocol needs to be okay. So we

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is oh, so I'll just bring out
whatever we decide. I'll bring

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up a socket next to it. Then we
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put a feed on this. Yeah, that's
right. Yeah. So there'll be you

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know, it'd be 24/7 value or so
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the station is and then I'll
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you can play it in all the
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we'll have to figure out how to
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Adam Curry: Wow, this is exactly
what I was talking about. Unlike

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the last booster Graham ball. I
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can envision dot dot dot. I said
a 24 hour stream of music shows

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and youth and here it is. I
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You just

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Dave Jones: didn't even hear you
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Adam Curry: This is how good we
are. This is how good we are day

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we don't have to talk to each
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Dave Jones: The VA Vulcan mind
meld has reached his full

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maturity.

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Adam Curry: This is what no
agenda stream needs as well. I

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mean, this this is this to be
able to do this on any ice cast

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server. It would be a huge deal.
Huge deal.

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Dave Jones: Agreed. Agree. Yeah,
we need a standard protocol

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socket protocol for this. If so,
you know the first thought I had

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was it was doing what you said
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playing all the songs. And I'm
like, You know what, but that's

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not a radio station, the radio
station, as DJs has shows

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exactly as shows, yeah. And then
it solidified it when when I

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heard sir Libra say, on a
podcast index dot social that he

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had not made very much been a
boost may not very made very

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much in boosts. He was
disappointed. And he was like,

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Well, how should I do my
marketing? Like, how should I

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market my my shows we get more
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I'm like, Okay, well, this is
that this is what we need to do.

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where people can listen to these
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do we want to host them like
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It's a sandbox. And that kind of
stuff can get expensive. But I

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think at least for a model of
how to do it, that this is what

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it this is what value for value
radio would look like, right?

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Adam Curry: Yeah. Now this is
exactly this is what I want. I

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want to get in my car. I want to
just flip on my, my toilet

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scroller What has my wallet set
up and, you know, I've got 200

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SATs a minute or whatever. And I
just want to continuously be

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listening and drain my wallet
while I'm listening. And I want

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the websites to go to the DJs I
want the staff to go to the

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artists. That's exactly it.

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Dave Jones: Cool. Okay.
Beautiful.

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Adam Curry: Well done. I love
it. I love it.

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Dave Jones: I gotta get I gotta
get the SSL or the TLS stuff

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figured out. Yeah, like I said,
it's not ready for primetime. So

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I just want to that's why I only
put it in the chat because I

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didn't want to like you know,
get a bunch of hammered on the

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hammers on that URL.

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Adam Curry: I'm excited. I'm
excited. Can I use your ISO?

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Dave Jones: What I said, Oh,
yeah, go for it.

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Adam Curry: This feels good.
Yeah. Look like the perfect ISO

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to me.

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Dave Jones: So far. It will
always. Yeah, okay. That's what

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I've been working on. I had to
learn icecast and easy stream.

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Adam Curry: about it. That's not
trivial. It's not trivial. Very

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nice. They're very nice.

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Dave Jones: I forgot what, oh, I
don't remember why I brought

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this up. I remember now. Okay,
so the the point was that Do you

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remember this little program
that I wrote called sucky?

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Adam Curry: Yes. Yes, I do.

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Dave Jones: Okay. So it all it
does is sucks down you give it a

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feed URL and it looks it parses
the the podcast feed, and then

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sucks all the enclosures down?
So it's just basically an

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archival Yes, you just give it a
feed in at archives.

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Adam Curry: That was one of your
more appropriately named.

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Scripts sucky?

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Dave Jones: Yes. Yes, sir. This
sucks. Yes. So that's, I was

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sucky forms the, the, the, the
bedrock of the vif value 27 24/7

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radio so because it has its it
constantly polling feeding

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Adam Curry: and continuously
pulls in the new show?

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Dave Jones: Yes. So you give it
the list of feed URLs and then

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it's just constantly just going
in making sure it's up to date

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and it's got the latest shows
and everything and

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Adam Curry: doesn't doesn't
replace so so. So it's playing

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like booster Grand Ball number
eight now, when number nine is

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available, just automatically
swap that out? Or does it keep

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eight in for a while does it
have multiple what is it doing?

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Dave Jones: Perfectly it's it's
the shuffle setting and easy

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string.

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Adam Curry: Okay, I love it.
It's fantastic.

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Dave Jones: Yes. So they but as
I was looking so sucky has a

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very, very tiny program like, I
don't know, couple 100 lines of

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code doesn't take much in rock.
It does. Actually, you can suck

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with very few lines, very few
lines of code. But the is as I

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was, as I was looking at this,
this is written in rust. And I

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was I was looking at it I was
like, you know, I could have

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probably written this whole
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Adam Curry: Yeah, of course.

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Dave Jones: Just look at the
structure of it. You're like if

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you just say, give me a rust
program to download an HD no a

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RSS feed a podcast feed in parse
it and download each attachment

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one after another hears about
you, which

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Adam Curry: is what I said write
a rush script to download mp3

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from a podcast RSS feed.
Perfect. We're waiting. It's got

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three dots. It's going to do
well I mean a very Small model

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actually, I've been the Marx
three B. Here we go create an

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account on a website like Libsyn
or Feedburner. That allows you

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to create an RSS feed for your
podcast download a script called

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RSS reader. Oh, this is not
writing me a script. This is

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giving me a script to read on
the show. No.

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Dave Jones: I wonder if it's
because you use the word script

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instead of like something like
source code.

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Adam Curry: Okay, that's right.
Let's try that. And otherwise,

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I'll try to write rust source
code. Otherwise, I'll try

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different LM while we're while
we're doing something else.

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Dave Jones: Our guest is
proficient at rest. He could

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have probably already written
this program and the time it

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takes to type it into

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Adam Curry: the Why don't we
bring our guest in because he's

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it's not like he doesn't know
what he's talking about when it

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comes to all this stuff. I mean,
he is kind of bleeding somewhat

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of the value for value hosting
revolution, would you say? I

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would say I would say I think we
bring him in and you know, when

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he can participate in
everything, including listening

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to our clips, because we got a
lot to talk about. Ladies and

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gentlemen, please welcome to the
boardroom. From rssb.com W Das.

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Hello. Hello. Oh, London Master.

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Dave Jones: You're a master of
the pregnant. Suspense. Yeah,

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Adam Curry: very nice. Very
nice. Hello, David.

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Dovydas: It was very difficult
to decide how enthusiastic you

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should be when entering a
podcast. No, if you are too

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reserved, people are gonna think
you're boring. And if you are

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doing fantastic, people are
gonna think you're someone like

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Howard Dean.

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Adam Curry: Wait, I have this I
have the Dean scream somewhere.

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Interesting.

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Dave Jones: Not too much. You
cannot be too

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Adam Curry: narrow it is.
Although the new the new one.

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The new scream is the did you
hear that? The guy who was the

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witness to the F 35. Crash was

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Dave Jones: bad on taking the
shave. And I heard a speech and

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saw that between a speech and a
whistle this

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Adam Curry: guy's the best pipe

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you got to see this guy is
phenomenal.

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Dave Jones: This almost the goat
screen. This is

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Adam Curry: it is very close.
It's very close to the goat

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scream, in fact, extremely close
to WDS. Now, we've had you on

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the show before, haven't we? Oh,
am I mistaken?

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Dovydas: I don't think so they
remember that?

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Adam Curry: Oh, man negative.
Well, that's lame. And so I

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didn't even know that you were
in London to start with. You've

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been there for eight years. I
learned in our little preamble.

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Dovydas: I had Yes. Yesterday
was my eight year anniversary.

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Oh, arriving here.

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Adam Curry: Congratulations. Now
do you? Do you have a British

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citizenship? Or are you working
on a visa? What changed with

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Brexit?

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Dovydas: So after Brexit, what
happened? The European Union

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citizens, which I am, were
offered essentially a scheme to

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stay in the UK using what they
call settled status. So that's

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what I have now. And I
essentially have an indefinite

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right to remain here.

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Adam Curry: Oh, that's nice,
because the European Union did

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not offer the same courtesy to
British citizens. I was in

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Spain. And you know, there was
this little village speeches.

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And it had a British Polo Club
at a British school and they

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were all closed. Everybody had

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Dave Jones: to leave? Yeah,

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Adam Curry: yeah. Yeah.

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Dave Jones: Where are you from?
Originally? David does.

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Dovydas: I'm originally from
Lithuania. In Europe,

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Adam Curry: now, I must say
right off the bat that my wife

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Tina, the keeper is half
Lithuanian. Wow. Yes. Nice. I

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always call her a semi backup
Russian. If we run out of

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Russians, we can always use the
list of women. That'd be fine.

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be fine to use your guys.

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Dave Jones: Emergency bread
break glass in case of lack of

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rushes. Yes.

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Adam Curry: So So we definitely
want to get your input on on a

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lot of this stuff at WWE. You've
built an interesting company,

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because I think it's I have
heard an interview with you. And

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I think it's just you who's
who's doing all of the work at

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RSS blue.com.

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Dovydas: That's correct. So I do
have a day job. But in my spare

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time, I have built ours as blue,
which is essentially just

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attempt to bring modern
standards to podcasting and

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offer a better experience than
anything that closed source and

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essentially proprietary
standards could offer let's say

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in Spotify or Apple

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Adam Curry: well, you're doing a
fine job because I You're so

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ahead of the game that I see
While we talked about it on

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podcast, index dot social, you
even now have an on ramp for

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musicians for people to get
their music up. And I haven't

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gone through the path, but I
presume it makes it clear how

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they fill out the right fields
and make it albums and since and

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tracks etc.

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Dovydas: Oh, that's correct. So
what do we do have an RSS blue

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is essentially an interface that
is actually dependent on the

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medium you choose. So you can
have a regular podcast. But you

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can also set the medium to
music, which will interpret your

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podcast as a music album. So you
will see the front interface

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where you will be asked instead
of episodes to upload tracks,

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you will see specific fields for
things like lyrics, and so on.

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And there is a very accessible
interface to essentially enable

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the value for value. And we
support the most general

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standard. Essentially, you can
use any wallet you want Albea

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fountain, anything else that
supports key send protocol. And

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essentially, the next step would
be to enable music shows. So

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value times and then yeah,

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Adam Curry: magic. Switching
technology. That's right.

440
00:26:15,270 --> 00:26:19,050
Dovydas: So that's the next
thing I'm going to work on.

441
00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:22,860
Adam Curry: Do you have? Do you
have mute? People using the

442
00:26:22,890 --> 00:26:24,630
medium equals music tag yet?

443
00:26:26,190 --> 00:26:30,120
Dovydas: So there are a few
albums on ours as blue. So I'll

444
00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:35,340
admit, while lake a is currently
dominating that area, but I feel

445
00:26:35,340 --> 00:26:38,880
our says blue can offer a
superior experience because we

446
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:44,280
actually offer the full D for a
model with splits. Yeah, nice

447
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:44,850
and everything.

448
00:26:44,940 --> 00:26:46,440
Adam Curry: Beautiful.
Beautiful.

449
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:51,690
Dave Jones: So are you do you
have integration? When you do

450
00:26:51,690 --> 00:26:54,630
you have integration with Albion
fountains so that you could if

451
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:57,810
you're a podcaster, you can
switch fire up a wallet from

452
00:26:57,810 --> 00:27:01,080
there from the from the your UI?
Or do you have to go and get all

453
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:05,250
that information and then plug
it in like bit by bit to write

454
00:27:05,250 --> 00:27:07,860
your UI. Right, right, right. So

455
00:27:07,860 --> 00:27:12,840
Dovydas: I wanted to avoid very
coupled integration. So I want

456
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:17,130
to have a service RS as blue,
which, like UNIX, you know, does

457
00:27:17,130 --> 00:27:23,670
one thing and does it well. But
what I do use is these public

458
00:27:23,670 --> 00:27:27,750
protocols, where people don't
even need to log in to

459
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:31,920
essentially retrieve their
details from Alby or fountain,

460
00:27:32,370 --> 00:27:36,150
all we have to enter is their
lightning address, like

461
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:41,220
adam@fountain.fm. And all of
these details are essentially

462
00:27:41,220 --> 00:27:45,030
automatically retrieved. And I
believe ours Blue was the first

463
00:27:45,030 --> 00:27:49,710
company to do that. And I've
seen other companies now adopt

464
00:27:49,740 --> 00:27:51,720
this kind of approach. Yeah, as

465
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,790
Adam Curry: sovereign feeds is
use this for quite a while. I'll

466
00:27:53,790 --> 00:27:57,450
give Stephen Bell some props he
has, he has a when you when you

467
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,320
do your value block. It has. It
has all this, you know, it has

468
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,840
found and it has Alby and and

469
00:28:03,900 --> 00:28:06,120
Dovydas: so I think this was
adapted from ours as blue,

470
00:28:06,660 --> 00:28:10,290
really, because we did that.
This was done last year, and I

471
00:28:10,290 --> 00:28:13,800
think someone from Alby
essentially suggested to do the

472
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,210
same in sovereign feats.

473
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,030
Adam Curry: Okay. Yeah. You
could have in hive as well. I

474
00:28:18,030 --> 00:28:23,670
see. I see. I see that sovereign
feeds has used V for v dot app.

475
00:28:24,420 --> 00:28:25,410
For the hive thing.

476
00:28:25,470 --> 00:28:28,110
Dovydas: Right. Right. Right. So
I had that too, essentially. So

477
00:28:28,110 --> 00:28:32,640
we have essentially three
buttons. B and, and hive. Yeah.

478
00:28:32,670 --> 00:28:35,670
But now I have a very general
interface, where essentially,

479
00:28:35,670 --> 00:28:39,540
you just enter any blinding
address. And it attempts to

480
00:28:39,570 --> 00:28:43,530
retrieve the details using the
key send protocol, which is, you

481
00:28:43,530 --> 00:28:45,660
know, just like a URL. Right,
right. Right.

482
00:28:45,690 --> 00:28:49,590
Adam Curry: Nice. Well, that's
so cool, man. And I guess I

483
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:53,370
would, I would ask, you know, I
know how Dave's life runs, you

484
00:28:53,370 --> 00:28:57,180
know, he has a day job. And I
think he sits at his desk, and

485
00:28:57,180 --> 00:29:01,380
is probably looking at the logs
of the index and all of the

486
00:29:01,380 --> 00:29:05,850
servers all the time, and
probably not really not really

487
00:29:05,850 --> 00:29:09,180
doing his his real job. Do you
see? Are you able to combine

488
00:29:09,180 --> 00:29:09,900
this?

489
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,520
Dovydas: I mean, it's difficult.
It's difficult, because I'm so

490
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,810
enthusiastic about this project.
But yes, it's a difficult thing

491
00:29:21,810 --> 00:29:26,310
to balance. And, you know, in
the future, I would ideally want

492
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:31,440
to shift the shift to two
entirely, ours as blue, right to

493
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,370
spend all my time on this
project, because I feel this is

494
00:29:35,370 --> 00:29:37,920
just so important. And something
that I'm passionate about,

495
00:29:37,950 --> 00:29:39,720
Adam Curry: how close are you?
Do you think, is it just a

496
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,480
matter of getting more
customers, I presume, or would

497
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,290
that also meet need means you
have to scale helpdesk, etc?

498
00:29:47,670 --> 00:29:51,630
Dovydas: Well, it's difficult. I
mean, ideally, I would want to

499
00:29:51,630 --> 00:29:56,010
bootstrap to essentially have
enough customers so that I can

500
00:29:56,010 --> 00:30:02,940
do this full time but For
external funding is not out of

501
00:30:02,940 --> 00:30:06,090
the question. So I will see
what's the best approach

502
00:30:06,090 --> 00:30:10,230
essentially? Make this my full
time job?

503
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,370
Dave Jones: What is your what's
your stack look like? WDS? Would

504
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:19,020
What is your was your back end?
How's that built? I have to see

505
00:30:19,020 --> 00:30:21,270
what you're doing. But yeah, lay
that out for me.

506
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:28,350
Dovydas: Right. So one thing I
hate is JavaScript. So there is

507
00:30:28,380 --> 00:30:34,950
just a minimum, high five, just
on the front end. But the back

508
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:42,240
end is powered mostly by go. So
it's a simple language that can

509
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:47,820
easily manage many requests at a
time, are simple to write in,

510
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,710
and so on. But recently, I've
been starting to move some of

511
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:58,140
the stuff to rust. Because I
feel it provides a lot of

512
00:30:58,170 --> 00:31:03,270
compile time safety control,
it's very rich type system.

513
00:31:04,500 --> 00:31:08,400
Again, it's not easy, because
rust is so essentially

514
00:31:08,430 --> 00:31:11,310
innovative, that some of the
other parts that have to

515
00:31:11,340 --> 00:31:15,090
interact with it don't work as
well. So for example, if you

516
00:31:15,090 --> 00:31:19,380
look at databases, there's often
a mismatch of what can be

517
00:31:19,380 --> 00:31:22,320
expressed interest and what can
actually be expressed in

518
00:31:22,590 --> 00:31:25,650
database like post Postgres or
something like that.

519
00:31:27,180 --> 00:31:30,300
Dave Jones: So do you think what
are your feelings about go

520
00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:35,670
versus async? Ross? Do you think
that that's, I've there's a lot

521
00:31:35,670 --> 00:31:39,390
of rumblings right now about
async. Rust being just not?

522
00:31:39,539 --> 00:31:41,399
Adam Curry: Yeah, if I, if I
could just if I could just say I

523
00:31:41,399 --> 00:31:44,849
totally agree. I think async
rust is just a total pain in the

524
00:31:44,849 --> 00:31:45,269
ass.

525
00:31:45,779 --> 00:31:47,849
Dave Jones: Yeah, it is. Yeah, I
knew you felt that way. That's

526
00:31:47,849 --> 00:31:48,539
what I brought up. Just

527
00:31:48,540 --> 00:31:49,830
Adam Curry: want to let you
know, I don't know, Adobe does

528
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:51,000
things. Yeah.

529
00:31:52,770 --> 00:31:56,220
Dovydas: So what do you mean,
they've? I'm not really familiar

530
00:31:56,220 --> 00:31:56,940
with that debate.

531
00:31:58,020 --> 00:32:00,840
Dave Jones: There's a lot of
people think that is ill

532
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,620
conceived. That is basically
that there's going to be some

533
00:32:04,620 --> 00:32:07,650
sort of rewrite that goes on
because of the interruption.

534
00:32:07,650 --> 00:32:09,900
Some of the assumptions. Yeah,
they specifically the

535
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,740
asynchronous part, to bring it
more in line with something like

536
00:32:13,770 --> 00:32:17,760
go where the where parallelizing
is, is way easier.

537
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:24,450
Dovydas: So I'll admit, I don't
have that much experience of

538
00:32:24,450 --> 00:32:27,420
that. What I know is that Ross,
for example, lacks some

539
00:32:27,420 --> 00:32:32,010
functionality, some async
functionality in certain parts

540
00:32:32,010 --> 00:32:34,860
of the language. So for example,
you can't you can't really do

541
00:32:35,790 --> 00:32:40,200
methods, like implementations
that are async, you essentially

542
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,850
just have to have separate
functions that are async. But to

543
00:32:44,850 --> 00:32:45,300
be honest,

544
00:32:45,330 --> 00:32:48,480
Dave Jones: I haven't really
familiarized myself with that

545
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,770
part. Okay, just just just
thought of it as the what can

546
00:32:52,770 --> 00:32:57,330
you lay out what, I have a list
here on the on the Apps page of

547
00:32:57,330 --> 00:33:02,460
what tags you support? But this
may not be up to date, what what

548
00:33:02,460 --> 00:33:05,370
do you have currently on 2.0
tags.

549
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:13,800
Dovydas: So one of the main
features, as we've discussed is

550
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:18,570
value for value. And again, it's
one thing to essentially

551
00:33:18,660 --> 00:33:23,460
implement the feature. And it's
really hard thing to do it well

552
00:33:23,460 --> 00:33:28,740
with a very easy to understand
interface. So that's what I've

553
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:34,200
essentially been doing for a
long time to essentially perfect

554
00:33:35,910 --> 00:33:40,980
the intuitive nature of value
for value, the fact that you can

555
00:33:40,980 --> 00:33:44,430
have multiple recipients of
value, that they can have

556
00:33:44,430 --> 00:33:48,390
different splits, and that these
addresses can come from multiple

557
00:33:48,390 --> 00:33:51,600
services. have, you know, a lot
of orgasm. Yep.

558
00:33:51,930 --> 00:33:55,530
Adam Curry: I'm sorry. I know
that really, what it comes down

559
00:33:55,530 --> 00:33:59,610
to in the hosting game is, you
know, it's the tools, there's I

560
00:33:59,610 --> 00:34:03,540
would say a lot of customers go
for pricing, and I know that you

561
00:34:03,540 --> 00:34:07,290
have like a base price of five
or $6 a month, which is quite

562
00:34:07,290 --> 00:34:11,040
low. Have you considered this
since you are kind of early in

563
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:16,500
the game or in the early in the
in the evolution of the company

564
00:34:16,530 --> 00:34:21,540
and the products, but also in as
a business? Have you considered

565
00:34:21,870 --> 00:34:26,070
doing pure value for value and
taking a split in lieu of

566
00:34:26,250 --> 00:34:27,180
regular payment?

567
00:34:28,980 --> 00:34:31,890
Dovydas: I have dope, to be
honest, it is kind of difficult

568
00:34:31,890 --> 00:34:41,730
to ensure that the company gets
paid the fair amount. So if we

569
00:34:41,730 --> 00:34:45,000
do, for example, enable a
feature of instead of you know,

570
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:49,500
collecting some subscription fee
per month, let's say maybe

571
00:34:49,500 --> 00:34:54,810
instead of doing the value
split, it doesn't really

572
00:34:54,930 --> 00:34:59,820
guarantee that the podcasters
are going to ask for that value.

573
00:35:00,270 --> 00:35:05,370
Throughout all the, their
episodes, don't ask for value

574
00:35:06,180 --> 00:35:09,090
that no one is going to send
that value and the company's

575
00:35:09,090 --> 00:35:12,240
going is not going to receive it
either. So I think that's the

576
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:13,110
main difficulty.

577
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:20,550
Adam Curry: Yeah, is I mean, it
does require a little closer

578
00:35:20,580 --> 00:35:23,130
communication, I would say with
your customers.

579
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:26,100
Dave Jones: Honestly, I don't
think you even have to go as

580
00:35:26,100 --> 00:35:31,200
loose as that. I mean, so, to my
knowledge, there's no podcast

581
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:37,230
hosting company around that will
just take Bitcoin as payment. I

582
00:35:37,230 --> 00:35:41,850
mean, even if you just sent a
lightning invoice so there's

583
00:35:41,850 --> 00:35:45,180
that if you just send a
lightning invoice once a month

584
00:35:45,180 --> 00:35:46,710
for the monthly hosting fee.

585
00:35:48,690 --> 00:35:50,790
Adam Curry: Yeah, you'd attract
the right customers.

586
00:35:51,300 --> 00:35:53,400
Dave Jones: Right? Yeah. And
they might be more likely for

587
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,610
that. But you know, like, you're
not saying, well, here you can

588
00:35:56,610 --> 00:35:59,670
have you can be hosted and then
just, you know, pay what you

589
00:35:59,670 --> 00:36:03,240
want. You're saying, Well, hey,
there is a minimum cost, and

590
00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:05,970
we're gonna bill you for that if
you don't meet it. Each month,

591
00:36:05,970 --> 00:36:08,910
we're gonna min we're gonna bill
you for that by sending you a,

592
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:11,910
you know, like a heat lightning
invoice in your email each

593
00:36:11,910 --> 00:36:14,010
month. And if you don't pay, I
mean, we're gonna cut you off

594
00:36:14,010 --> 00:36:16,830
like anybody else. That that
would be because

595
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,040
Adam Curry: I would send people
I would send people to you, if

596
00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:22,950
if you did that nine, and the
people I send are high quality?

597
00:36:22,980 --> 00:36:23,790
Of course.

598
00:36:25,110 --> 00:36:28,530
Dovydas: Of course. Me It's
difficult. It's difficult to you

599
00:36:28,530 --> 00:36:31,080
also don't want to appear that
you're taking too much, you

600
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,730
know, if there's some minimum
monthly fee, and then on top,

601
00:36:35,730 --> 00:36:39,540
there's some split. You know,
some people may feel this is

602
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,650
just too much taken from what
they rightfully earn.

603
00:36:44,850 --> 00:36:46,410
Dave Jones: I think you'd be
surprised. Yeah, I

604
00:36:46,410 --> 00:36:48,540
Adam Curry: think I think it'd
be surprised to I, I know

605
00:36:48,540 --> 00:36:52,440
several people who use Well,
let's put it this way. I've cut

606
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,310
people into my value blocks, and
they make more than $6 a month.

607
00:36:57,780 --> 00:37:01,470
For for stuff they do or stuff
they've done or for technology

608
00:37:01,470 --> 00:37:03,930
we're using they make
significantly more than that.

609
00:37:04,620 --> 00:37:08,220
And, and you know, it's
something about it Dolby das

610
00:37:08,220 --> 00:37:13,230
that as as a podcaster. I kind
of just like forgot, you know,

611
00:37:13,230 --> 00:37:16,560
it's like it's just a part of
life. And it hasn't Hey, my

612
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:24,420
script is done. Oh, hold on a
second. Now, you need to have

613
00:37:24,420 --> 00:37:31,230
the the request. Thing installed
here, put it in the chat. There

614
00:37:31,230 --> 00:37:34,140
we go. So I need that. Okay,
check it out. I'm sorry. I

615
00:37:34,140 --> 00:37:36,180
didn't mean to interrupt, but I
just want to paste this.

616
00:37:36,180 --> 00:37:38,550
Dave Jones: Yes, that's legit.
That's legit. Oh, hold on. Are

617
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:40,020
you gonna post this in? Like?

618
00:37:40,979 --> 00:37:45,329
Adam Curry: No. Oh, no, it's not
done. I'm sorry. It's still it's

619
00:37:45,329 --> 00:37:48,029
still producing, producing.
Yeah, but it's writing. It's

620
00:37:48,029 --> 00:37:48,659
writing I want

621
00:37:48,660 --> 00:37:51,660
Dave Jones: you to, I want you
to paste this rust or Sudan into

622
00:37:51,660 --> 00:37:56,040
IRC one by line and then have
the boost boost by compiler.

623
00:37:56,820 --> 00:38:01,230
Adam Curry: That will, that will
be cool. It's just something to

624
00:38:01,230 --> 00:38:06,060
consider Dobby does. I got a lot
of fun. I think Dave does, too.

625
00:38:06,060 --> 00:38:08,880
I have so many feelings about
what's happening with

626
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:14,130
podcasting. You know, the
podcast industrial complex,

627
00:38:14,460 --> 00:38:19,200
which people still believe is a
$2 billion advertising market in

628
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,370
the United States alone. I'm
just I'm just blown away by the

629
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,870
by this this statistic, which is
there's no evidence whatsoever,

630
00:38:27,870 --> 00:38:32,820
I cannot find the money. Now I
can find 100 million. Sure.

631
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:34,560
Yeah, there's typecast

632
00:38:34,620 --> 00:38:37,260
Dave Jones: podcast one down to
$2.11,

633
00:38:37,290 --> 00:38:40,590
Adam Curry: which is, which is a
travesty. I mean, it is because

634
00:38:40,590 --> 00:38:44,820
the people on the inside who got
options. And me when I read that

635
00:38:44,820 --> 00:38:48,990
they're going to you know, we're
going to issue stock. Now, I

636
00:38:48,990 --> 00:38:52,110
think that's a that's kind of a
punt. They have to restrike the

637
00:38:52,110 --> 00:38:54,510
options, I had to do this
myself. So I know this pain,

638
00:38:54,930 --> 00:38:57,990
where you have employees and
podcasts and you said, Okay,

639
00:38:57,990 --> 00:39:01,620
we're gonna let you buy, we're
gonna give you stock at $3. So

640
00:39:01,620 --> 00:39:05,040
it comes out at eight, but you
have a lock up for 90 days. So

641
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,510
you can't you can't do anything
with it. That which sometimes

642
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:15,300
it's longer than 90 days. And
and then people see their

643
00:39:15,300 --> 00:39:19,200
options are underwater. So you
essentially are the loss if you

644
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,590
wanted to convert them, you'd
have to, you'd have to pay money

645
00:39:22,590 --> 00:39:27,780
just to get the stock. And it
takes many, many quarters of

646
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,290
good numbers with good I mean,
on on projection. You don't have

647
00:39:31,290 --> 00:39:34,320
to make profit, as long as you
can project and say, Okay, this

648
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,650
is how much we're going to lose.
Or this is the path that we get

649
00:39:37,650 --> 00:39:40,770
to profitability, which I might
point out, as far as I know, no

650
00:39:40,770 --> 00:39:45,450
company has, has shown. Spotify
hasn't shown it for sure. I

651
00:39:45,450 --> 00:39:46,830
don't think a cast has shown it

652
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,830
Dave Jones: is it $2.08 I mean,
it's about to go under two

653
00:39:49,830 --> 00:39:56,430
bucks. This this is just as well
as it is. So I heard a interview

654
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,510
I heard an interview with the
CEO left pocket.

655
00:40:00,570 --> 00:40:03,030
Adam Curry: This is a funny guy.
He's kind of a Goomba. He's kind

656
00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:04,650
of like his New Jersey guy.

657
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,570
Dave Jones: It was a great
accent. Ellen, I think his last

658
00:40:09,570 --> 00:40:13,080
name is Ellen, but I don't
remember his first name. But um,

659
00:40:14,250 --> 00:40:18,510
yeah. So he kind of lays out.
It's this interviews with Yahoo

660
00:40:18,510 --> 00:40:24,990
Finance. And so he lays out a
lot. I think he's, he's just

661
00:40:24,990 --> 00:40:27,450
laying it all out on the table
here. I think he's, I think he's

662
00:40:27,450 --> 00:40:31,470
a fairly honest dude, about
where they're going. And he's

663
00:40:31,470 --> 00:40:33,930
telling exactly what their
strategy is, I believe,

664
00:40:34,140 --> 00:40:36,180
Unknown: when you make the
decision to go public now.

665
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,380
Adam Curry: I'm trying to hit
you, and then you went off. You

666
00:40:40,380 --> 00:40:42,510
can't leave too much of a pause.
Let's try it again. We'll cut it

667
00:40:42,510 --> 00:40:43,590
out. No difference.

668
00:40:44,100 --> 00:40:49,380
Dave Jones: Okay. Yeah. The he
lays out the the the strategy

669
00:40:49,380 --> 00:40:52,290
only problem is the strategy is
probably one that is not going

670
00:40:52,290 --> 00:40:54,300
to work, because it's been tried
about 100 times

671
00:40:54,420 --> 00:40:56,460
Unknown: when you make the
decision to go public now, and

672
00:40:56,460 --> 00:40:59,400
you do this via spec, why did
this make sense for your

673
00:40:59,400 --> 00:40:59,850
company?

674
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:01,020
Sure. Great question.

675
00:41:01,170 --> 00:41:04,170
Adam Curry: I gotta stop right
there. So did they back into a

676
00:41:04,170 --> 00:41:04,920
spec?

677
00:41:05,820 --> 00:41:09,720
Dave Jones: No, no, they did not
this, he's, he's wrong. She's

678
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:10,230
wrong with that.

679
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:14,250
Adam Curry: Okay, because it was
a spin out from live one. So he

680
00:41:14,250 --> 00:41:17,100
goes over that, yeah, it was not
a liquidity event. They didn't

681
00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:20,580
raise money. They just took a
piece. And then they said, it'll

682
00:41:20,580 --> 00:41:24,450
be more valuable on its own. And
it turns out, well, it is, it's

683
00:41:24,450 --> 00:41:27,810
twice as valuable as their own
company, which is about a buck

684
00:41:27,810 --> 00:41:28,530
25.

685
00:41:28,830 --> 00:41:30,630
Unknown: All right, here we go.
Can you make the decision to go

686
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:33,990
public now? And you do this via
spec? Why did this make sense

687
00:41:34,020 --> 00:41:34,800
for your company?

688
00:41:34,830 --> 00:41:38,010
Sure. Great question. This
wasn't a spec is actually the

689
00:41:38,010 --> 00:41:40,890
first time ever done the
history, where it was a spin off

690
00:41:41,010 --> 00:41:44,190
of a minority stake. Apologies.
So we uplisted our stock. And

691
00:41:44,190 --> 00:41:47,490
the reason that we did it is is
and we started this process

692
00:41:47,490 --> 00:41:50,460
almost eight months ago, it got
delayed a little bit by NASDAQ.

693
00:41:50,460 --> 00:41:53,490
When it finally got by the time
it finally got done, we had

694
00:41:53,490 --> 00:41:56,190
already achieved a lot of our
goals. And one of those goals

695
00:41:56,190 --> 00:41:59,550
was to acquire additional
podcast networks. So this is

696
00:41:59,550 --> 00:42:03,060
that kind of perfect storm in
podcasting. You had this wild

697
00:42:03,060 --> 00:42:07,080
cycle, Spotify, Apple iHeart,
spending billions and billions

698
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,690
and billions of dollars, you
know, big multiples, right to

699
00:42:09,690 --> 00:42:12,300
acquire both individual
podcasts, whether it's Joe

700
00:42:12,300 --> 00:42:16,050
Rogan, or he's buying networks
or buying technology now is that

701
00:42:16,050 --> 00:42:19,680
opportunity where there's a
window where a sophisticated

702
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,010
management team like ours, who
has the history of doing this,

703
00:42:23,010 --> 00:42:26,130
the history of doing a radio,
and now in podcasting could

704
00:42:26,310 --> 00:42:29,520
acquire and roll up multiple as
podcast networks. So we've

705
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,570
bought a distressed asset called
cast media, very distressed,

706
00:42:33,570 --> 00:42:38,220
Troubled Asset was a lot of
money to its podcasters and

707
00:42:38,220 --> 00:42:40,950
couldn't really afford to pay
them and the banks pulled out

708
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:43,710
and that holds pulled out. So we
acquired those and have added

709
00:42:43,710 --> 00:42:46,560
some some very serious revenues
to it. So this morning, we

710
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,830
announced as part of the
uplisting, we increased our

711
00:42:49,830 --> 00:42:53,730
guidance from 34 million last
year, to this year being 47 to

712
00:42:53,730 --> 00:42:56,520
53 million, and for the first
time ever very seriously, but

713
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:01,050
not for four to $5 million even.
So dramatic, dramatic turn for

714
00:43:01,050 --> 00:43:04,320
the company. And I fully expect
to use that currency going

715
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:05,880
forward for additional
acquisitions.

716
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,200
Adam Curry: So rollouts, it's a
roll up strategy I've done one

717
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:10,680
of these

718
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,980
Dave Jones: is the scoop and
score, you catch them on the way

719
00:43:13,980 --> 00:43:16,950
down, when they're distressed,
and when they're when they're

720
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:20,100
looking, you know, looking bad.
And you just hope that what

721
00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:23,640
you're catching is not a falling
knife. And so she challenges him

722
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:26,610
a little bit on that, because in
clip two, because she's like,

723
00:43:26,610 --> 00:43:29,520
Hey, this is not, but but things
are looking kind of rough,

724
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:30,120
though. Right.

725
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,560
Unknown: Rob, on that point that
you made about where the podcast

726
00:43:34,590 --> 00:43:36,930
industry has been? It feels like
there's a bit of a shakedown

727
00:43:36,930 --> 00:43:39,030
that's happening. You know,
there were some big names that

728
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:42,030
were acquired, especially for
Spotify. We were talking about

729
00:43:42,030 --> 00:43:45,180
Megan Merkel's podcasts, for
example, earlier today, that

730
00:43:45,180 --> 00:43:48,210
haven't necessarily performed.
Well. Are we at a saturation

731
00:43:48,210 --> 00:43:51,060
point? How would you
characterize the state of the

732
00:43:51,060 --> 00:43:51,900
industry right now?

733
00:43:52,050 --> 00:43:53,010
The beginning of the beginning?

734
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,780
Adam Curry: I tried to guess.
Sorry about that. Yeah. Sorry.

735
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:58,290
No, no,

736
00:43:58,290 --> 00:44:01,050
Dave Jones: no, the you know,
this is a this is a different

737
00:44:01,050 --> 00:44:03,540
version of the it's a young
industry.

738
00:44:04,110 --> 00:44:06,210
Adam Curry: Yeah, it's only it's
only 20 years old, it's young.

739
00:44:07,020 --> 00:44:07,410
Yes,

740
00:44:07,470 --> 00:44:09,570
Dave Jones: this is this a
different version of that Oh, of

741
00:44:09,570 --> 00:44:12,150
that old favorite, which is
nice. Not even now is not even

742
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:14,940
young. We're just getting
started. Like it's like a fetus.

743
00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:18,960
Adam Curry: It's so new. I mean,
it's only been around since

744
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,610
2018. Who knows?

745
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,590
Unknown: How would you
characterize the state of the

746
00:44:22,590 --> 00:44:23,460
industry right now?

747
00:44:23,580 --> 00:44:24,600
The beginning of the beginning,

748
00:44:24,660 --> 00:44:27,480
Adam Curry: the beginning of the
beginning. Now, Brother,

749
00:44:27,780 --> 00:44:29,220
brother, all right, we're really

750
00:44:29,220 --> 00:44:31,590
Unknown: in the first maybe
second inning of podcasting.

751
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,910
It's grown since COVID, from 400
million to 1.3 billion. But you

752
00:44:35,910 --> 00:44:38,640
know, from all the numbers are
indicating globally, it'll be a

753
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,510
seven to $10 billion industry by
2030. Oh, so you gotta go

754
00:44:42,510 --> 00:44:43,200
through another set,

755
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,710
Adam Curry: but by 2030, the
earth will be 2.5 degrees

756
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:48,900
warmer, we're all going to be
dead. Was that the next

757
00:44:48,900 --> 00:44:50,310
question? Because that shouldn't
be

758
00:44:50,340 --> 00:44:51,990
Dave Jones: because of the
Bitcoin.

759
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,470
Adam Curry: The boiling worldly

760
00:44:55,470 --> 00:44:59,280
Unknown: is seven to $10 billion
industry by 2030. So you get to

761
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,830
go through another cycle you
went through that first cycle,

762
00:45:02,070 --> 00:45:05,370
right? real enthusiasm and
excitement. Now you've got to

763
00:45:05,370 --> 00:45:08,430
pull back because people had a
data that acquired all these

764
00:45:08,430 --> 00:45:10,950
assets they have to they have to
figure out how to run them.

765
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:12,330
Yeah,

766
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:17,280
Dave Jones: I mean, yeah. So his
his thing is like we don't

767
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:22,350
Ostroff was here. She couldn't
handle it. Yeah, she she didn't

768
00:45:22,350 --> 00:45:24,240
know what she was doing. Now,
you have to be able to know how

769
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:28,920
to run it. Yeah, the reason they
they are good at this. Yes. So

770
00:45:29,370 --> 00:45:32,130
in clip three, he explains their
methodology.

771
00:45:32,190 --> 00:45:33,840
Unknown: Hey, Rob, I wanted to
ask you, and we're showing some

772
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,180
of the competitors up there on
the screen or other names that

773
00:45:36,180 --> 00:45:40,410
are in this space? How do you
get that edge when it is more

774
00:45:40,410 --> 00:45:43,230
and more crowded when you talk
about the fact that the industry

775
00:45:43,230 --> 00:45:45,720
is certainly seems like it's
going under a bit of a

776
00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:48,330
transformation process? When we
talk about moving away from the

777
00:45:48,330 --> 00:45:51,630
massive spending that we've seen
over the last several years? How

778
00:45:51,630 --> 00:45:53,250
do you find that niche? Well,

779
00:45:53,580 --> 00:45:56,580
I think it's twofold, right?
We're very, very selective, you

780
00:45:56,580 --> 00:45:59,730
probably for any have listened
to my interviews previously, I

781
00:45:59,730 --> 00:46:02,730
talked about my team runs a
company like Moneyball.

782
00:46:03,690 --> 00:46:06,900
Moneyball, we really run it
almost like a hedge fund. Oh,

783
00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:08,940
we're very careful and very
selective.

784
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,950
Adam Curry: The hedge fund is
known for their careful

785
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:11,820
selectivity.

786
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:15,810
Unknown: And we try to find that
niche between sort of 50,000 and

787
00:46:15,810 --> 00:46:18,450
a half a million downloads,
right, and we'll grow that now.

788
00:46:18,660 --> 00:46:20,790
Right now, it'd be the first
time we'll have an opportunity,

789
00:46:20,910 --> 00:46:23,430
get podcast, and you're starting
to see that come over on a

790
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:26,430
regular basis, we're doing a
million but we fill that niche

791
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:30,120
with the Creator really needs
the full support. And I think

792
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:34,590
what's happened is, you know,
the larger places, right for

793
00:46:34,590 --> 00:46:38,160
them to manage those smaller
creators is really difficult.

794
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:38,370
And

795
00:46:39,180 --> 00:46:41,580
Adam Curry: while he's starting
to explain the problem with a

796
00:46:41,580 --> 00:46:44,040
podcast network, as you know,
I've always said you can't

797
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,640
monetize the network. And it's
exactly that is when you have a

798
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,990
network. Then he says manage
those smaller creatives. Yeah,

799
00:46:52,170 --> 00:46:55,290
those are the ones who are the
squeakiest wheels. I didn't get

800
00:46:55,290 --> 00:46:58,530
any promotion. Why is he on the
homepage? How come I didn't get

801
00:46:58,530 --> 00:47:02,070
in on that advertising by that's
what starts to spin out of

802
00:47:02,070 --> 00:47:05,940
control with every company in
the beginning in the pod show

803
00:47:05,940 --> 00:47:08,760
days. So a couple other ones
revision three, there were some

804
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:15,600
other ones. They all had
podcaster relations department,

805
00:47:16,290 --> 00:47:20,400
then these people burned out
like every nine months. Because

806
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,680
they were trying to keep her
Yeah, they were trying to keep

807
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,950
the podcasters happy and it was
it's not it's not possible and

808
00:47:25,950 --> 00:47:30,120
we set up our podcasters with
their own LLC, we did all the

809
00:47:30,450 --> 00:47:33,840
the initial setup and management
for them on the LLC and made

810
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,090
sure they had accountants and
they ran it as their own

811
00:47:36,090 --> 00:47:42,270
business. You know, the it's, it
is not an easy task to do

812
00:47:42,270 --> 00:47:48,960
certain we only had, I don't
know 20, tops, tops, and they

813
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,410
have to all be hits. Otherwise
you're spinning your wheels on

814
00:47:52,410 --> 00:47:54,660
all the people who don't really
bring in revenue

815
00:47:55,830 --> 00:48:00,300
Dave Jones: this this so if you
read Ashley Carmen's article is

816
00:48:00,300 --> 00:48:03,690
either from day to day or
yesterday at a Bloomberg where

817
00:48:03,690 --> 00:48:07,770
she goes over this guy Rosen
Baum, who was sort of it was the

818
00:48:07,770 --> 00:48:13,440
Talent Agent behind call her
daddy and a bunch of these like,

819
00:48:13,620 --> 00:48:19,560
big date lucrative podcast
deals. She the her article

820
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,560
explains that that is exactly
what is happening right now with

821
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:27,600
that with that group. They are
there's now loud complaining and

822
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,020
people are leaving because they
say they only that the that

823
00:48:31,020 --> 00:48:35,310
agent only focuses on his top
guys and not on them. And it's

824
00:48:35,310 --> 00:48:36,240
exactly what happened.

825
00:48:36,330 --> 00:48:38,850
Adam Curry: Now in addition to
that, what I think the problem

826
00:48:38,850 --> 00:48:43,140
is with that certainly cast what
i've what I've come to learn

827
00:48:43,140 --> 00:48:46,140
from like cast media and I have
I have questions about what they

828
00:48:46,140 --> 00:48:49,350
did with that is then people
join the network. We're gonna

829
00:48:49,350 --> 00:48:53,280
give you a minimum guarantee.
And such a bad idea. Yeah, I

830
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,730
mean, that's a horrible idea.
minimum guarantee. That's where

831
00:48:56,730 --> 00:49:01,080
you go broke. And then the so
there's this I was listening to

832
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,910
pod news weekly and they were
talking about the magical $4

833
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:10,740
million that went away. Well,
when the when podcast one

834
00:49:10,770 --> 00:49:13,980
acquired the distressed asset
known as cast media, did they

835
00:49:13,980 --> 00:49:17,400
make any one hole? Or was that
the you know, the oh, we'll give

836
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,270
you some stock. Now
subsequently, when you went down

837
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:22,380
by 400%

838
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,260
Dave Jones: that's the scoop and
score Yeah, they're trying

839
00:49:25,290 --> 00:49:27,480
they're trying to scoop these
like catch them right and right

840
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,120
before they hit the dirt so that
they wouldn't want to so that

841
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,810
they could not have to pay a
minimum guarantee because the

842
00:49:33,810 --> 00:49:37,050
distress would make them who
would make these credit and I'm

843
00:49:37,050 --> 00:49:40,290
not saying this is nefarious
it's no no no nothing just

844
00:49:40,290 --> 00:49:41,340
you're not accusing it's just

845
00:49:41,340 --> 00:49:44,340
Adam Curry: no one listened to
me that's what this is. No one

846
00:49:44,340 --> 00:49:45,120
listened to me.

847
00:49:45,690 --> 00:49:47,400
Dave Jones: She asked him
another question like you know,

848
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,460
get what's yeah, there's a lot
of question marks still. What's

849
00:49:50,460 --> 00:49:52,200
the next big thing?

850
00:49:55,470 --> 00:49:58,830
Unknown: I guess network podcast
one going public today on the

851
00:49:58,830 --> 00:50:00,960
NASDAQ a spin out Um, it's
paranoid to be

852
00:50:01,890 --> 00:50:05,370
Dave Jones: your best for it.
It's just clipped for. Is it?

853
00:50:06,270 --> 00:50:08,550
Okay, so she asked him Oh, I can
probably.

854
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:10,890
Adam Curry: It seems like he got
the whole interview there for

855
00:50:10,890 --> 00:50:11,910
some reason. Hold on. I just

856
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:15,809
Unknown: feel like I don't have
enough hours in the day but

857
00:50:15,929 --> 00:50:16,439
there.

858
00:50:16,919 --> 00:50:17,639
Yep. Okay,

859
00:50:17,669 --> 00:50:19,769
I made a little before free
content. There's not enough

860
00:50:19,769 --> 00:50:20,849
hours in the day to cover it.

861
00:50:21,089 --> 00:50:22,679
Adam Curry: That you want me to
go back a little bit more.

862
00:50:23,249 --> 00:50:24,689
Dave Jones: You had it? You
nailed it. Oh, I

863
00:50:24,690 --> 00:50:27,510
Adam Curry: did. Okay. All
right. Yeah. That's

864
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:28,380
coincidental.

865
00:50:28,980 --> 00:50:31,260
Unknown: Yeah. Rob, I'm gonna
talk to that I have so many

866
00:50:31,260 --> 00:50:34,500
favorites in podcasting. I feel
like I don't have enough hours

867
00:50:34,500 --> 00:50:36,300
in the day. But you know, you
mentioned we're still in the

868
00:50:36,300 --> 00:50:38,850
early innings. There's another
wave coming. What do you think's

869
00:50:38,850 --> 00:50:39,870
gonna drive that?

870
00:50:40,860 --> 00:50:43,530
Adam Curry: Dave batten down the
hatches? There's another wave

871
00:50:43,530 --> 00:50:44,250
coming.

872
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:48,480
Unknown: Is it about the Joe
Rogan style podcast? Is it about

873
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,780
storytelling? Is it the
fictional scripted content?

874
00:50:52,110 --> 00:50:54,990
Adam Curry: Let me guess, true
crime? What do you think is

875
00:50:54,990 --> 00:50:56,970
Unknown: going to be the big
catalyst to move this even

876
00:50:56,970 --> 00:50:57,390
further?

877
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,730
Dave Jones: Okay, so predictions
W das you get to predict to what

878
00:51:02,730 --> 00:51:03,210
is the

879
00:51:03,210 --> 00:51:06,300
Adam Curry: next wave the next
wave the next big thing?

880
00:51:06,750 --> 00:51:07,530
Dave Jones: The next inning?

881
00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:11,790
Dovydas: I feel true crime
doesn't make sense because it's

882
00:51:11,790 --> 00:51:19,710
already so big right now. I just
think they're gonna try to get

883
00:51:19,740 --> 00:51:23,820
even more stars on these
podcasts that no one listens to.

884
00:51:25,110 --> 00:51:25,920
Adam Curry: That's a big way.

885
00:51:29,250 --> 00:51:32,730
Unknown: It's a great question.
I mean, we're we're, we're very

886
00:51:32,730 --> 00:51:36,750
powerful community and network
powerful driving our podcasts

887
00:51:36,780 --> 00:51:40,440
across each other's podcasts,
using that community to grow. I

888
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,420
think it's gonna be a little bit
everything right. You know,

889
00:51:42,420 --> 00:51:45,510
Laura Martin over Needham always
described our company from all

890
00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:47,940
the great things we did in
music, and we're just starting

891
00:51:47,940 --> 00:51:50,310
to hit this in podcasting,
right. I've only owned the

892
00:51:50,310 --> 00:51:53,100
company for three years, right?
And that three years we took it

893
00:51:53,100 --> 00:51:56,100
from about 20 million in
revenues, losing a lot of money

894
00:51:56,130 --> 00:51:59,100
to where now it's going to do
over $50 million and be very,

895
00:51:59,100 --> 00:52:00,690
very EBIT dot positive, right?

896
00:52:01,230 --> 00:52:05,010
Adam Curry: Very, very, very
EBIT da positive, positive.

897
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:08,640
That's estimate its earnings
before income tax, depreciation

898
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,430
and amortization. This was for
all your costs.

899
00:52:11,460 --> 00:52:13,890
Unknown: The reason for that is
we've got the team in place we

900
00:52:13,890 --> 00:52:16,410
got the management, we're
starting to hit that critical

901
00:52:16,410 --> 00:52:19,350
mass and you really don't need
any additional infrastructure.

902
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,440
You really have no additional
costs and what I see happening

903
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,860
is multiple revenue streams.
YouTube has changed the dynamics

904
00:52:25,860 --> 00:52:29,460
completely now. You don't have
just audio you have video coming

905
00:52:29,460 --> 00:52:31,800
in to have and you probably

906
00:52:31,830 --> 00:52:33,720
Adam Curry: how come Rob
Greenlee isn't working at this

907
00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:36,450
place yet Didn't you already
work there it was he already he

908
00:52:36,450 --> 00:52:36,960
already has

909
00:52:38,010 --> 00:52:40,770
Unknown: awakened he left
changed the dynamics completely

910
00:52:40,770 --> 00:52:43,800
you now video so you don't have
just audio you have video coming

911
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,710
in. Next you're going to have
and you probably know you know,

912
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:49,380
my background and you know
winning atmosphere films and

913
00:52:49,380 --> 00:52:52,860
having the movie 300 And, you
know, billions in revenues and

914
00:52:52,860 --> 00:52:55,620
Spiderwick Chronicles and
Patrick Blacksburg who sits on

915
00:52:55,620 --> 00:52:56,670
my board and just went whoa,

916
00:52:56,670 --> 00:52:59,340
Adam Curry: whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa, what did this guy do?

917
00:53:00,660 --> 00:53:03,570
Dave Jones: Evidently, it was
billions in revenue.

918
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,910
Adam Curry: He's a movie company
what his background is

919
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:08,310
impressive as Spider Man
something and

920
00:53:08,340 --> 00:53:10,950
Dave Jones: Spiderwick
Chronicles in the movie 300 is

921
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:11,940
the 300

922
00:53:11,940 --> 00:53:12,420
Adam Curry: listed

923
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,540
Unknown: my background in owning
atmosphere films and having the

924
00:53:15,540 --> 00:53:18,720
movie 300. And did you know
billions in revenues in

925
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:21,510
Spiderwick Chronicles and
Patrick Blacksburg who sits on

926
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:24,300
my board and just winning
Academy Award, we have a passion

927
00:53:24,300 --> 00:53:27,930
around turning these podcasts
into television and film.

928
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:32,220
Adam Curry: Oh, okay. No,
that's, that's IP. That's the

929
00:53:32,220 --> 00:53:35,040
strategy. That's right,
everybody, you make no money.

930
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,310
But if you're lucky, if you're
lucky, if you're lucky, we'll

931
00:53:38,310 --> 00:53:40,920
turn you into a television show
where you have more chances of

932
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:41,640
losing out. And

933
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,380
Unknown: if you can hit that
second window, you can have one

934
00:53:43,380 --> 00:53:46,590
or two, you know, one or two
pieces of IP that you control

935
00:53:46,590 --> 00:53:49,770
and own good turn out the entire
network and revenues and bottom

936
00:53:49,770 --> 00:53:52,800
line. And then products. Just
look at what Logan Paul is

937
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:56,850
trying. It's truly amazing. He
uses his podcast, very much like

938
00:53:56,850 --> 00:53:59,250
my brother did an entourage when
he used Avi own or

939
00:53:59,250 --> 00:54:02,400
Adam Curry: Oh, his brother was
his brother and entourage.

940
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,610
Evidently Ah, okay. Look at

941
00:54:05,610 --> 00:54:08,040
Unknown: what Logan Paul is
doing with prime. It's truly

942
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,220
amazing. He uses his podcast
very much like my brother did an

943
00:54:11,220 --> 00:54:14,550
entourage when he used Avi own
right. There really wasn't your

944
00:54:14,550 --> 00:54:18,420
marketing presenting it. You
were just it was integrated into

945
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:21,870
to the content. And if we can
keep doing that you're gonna see

946
00:54:22,050 --> 00:54:24,960
more and more products launch
from a company. I love the live

947
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,750
side of the business. Right
watching the net. You

948
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:30,810
Dave Jones: can cut it there the
next so the next big thing what

949
00:54:30,810 --> 00:54:35,820
is YouTube? Yeah, P IP native
advertising. Yeah, pretty much

950
00:54:35,820 --> 00:54:40,140
the same thing is the old thing.
It didn't work before but it'll

951
00:54:40,140 --> 00:54:43,920
work now. By the way, the stock
has gone up to $2.12 Oh, I've

952
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:44,340
been talking

953
00:54:44,460 --> 00:54:46,800
Adam Curry: man. Literally. I
should have gone long on my

954
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,940
twin. I think we play Five Year
Old At five was five apart now.

955
00:54:50,940 --> 00:54:52,950
That was fine. Yeah, no, we're
good. This is interesting

956
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:55,860
because the clips that I brought
today and David asked, okay,

957
00:54:55,860 --> 00:54:57,780
man, are you okay to hang out
with us? Because we're just

958
00:54:57,780 --> 00:55:01,380
chatting a little bit here. Of
course. Yeah. Okay, because this

959
00:55:01,380 --> 00:55:04,500
is going to be only beneficial
for you because what is

960
00:55:04,500 --> 00:55:10,200
happening is and they didn't.
I'm surprised that Yahoo Finance

961
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:14,190
did not really ask about
advertising revenue. I mean, I

962
00:55:14,190 --> 00:55:17,520
presume that they know when he
talks about downloads that that

963
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,910
there's going to be advertising
revenue. Isn't that kind of how

964
00:55:20,910 --> 00:55:25,620
they're going to make their
money? Question mark, question

965
00:55:25,620 --> 00:55:31,080
mark. Yeah. Because because I
have bad news for everybody. And

966
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:36,090
I don't like being this
messenger. But I only took me

967
00:55:36,090 --> 00:55:39,240
about four days to figure out
what this Russell Brand thing

968
00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:40,290
was really about.

969
00:55:41,130 --> 00:55:43,020
Dave Jones: And I was gonna ask
you about that. Yeah. What is

970
00:55:43,020 --> 00:55:43,920
that? Well, so

971
00:55:43,950 --> 00:55:47,550
Adam Curry: you know, Russell
Brand, very successful YouTuber

972
00:55:47,970 --> 00:55:54,210
also has a deal with rumble. And
I think that's a you know, like

973
00:55:54,210 --> 00:55:57,330
a brand brand, like, Hey, I'm
Russell Brand them on rumble. So

974
00:55:57,330 --> 00:56:00,870
they're paying him to be on
rumble. Not necessarily because

975
00:56:00,870 --> 00:56:04,710
he brings in advertisers or
whatever it he has one, one and

976
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:07,830
a half million people,
subscribers numbers, a number of

977
00:56:07,830 --> 00:56:13,410
1.4 million on his rumble thing,
which is a YouTube look like

978
00:56:13,410 --> 00:56:19,350
there's many, many of them. So
all of a sudden, channel four,

979
00:56:19,350 --> 00:56:22,050
which is the channel that made
him the star that he is in the

980
00:56:22,050 --> 00:56:27,420
UK, I mean, he was a mainstream
M five M Channel Four guy,

981
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:32,880
movies, Hollywood, the whole
thing they decided with, with a

982
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,420
newspaper to do an expose a on
him, and they had been working

983
00:56:36,420 --> 00:56:40,710
on this for more than a year.
And they have four women who say

984
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:44,730
that he raped them. And before
this even came out, and that was

985
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:49,950
by the way, they they it was
they stopped regular programming

986
00:56:49,950 --> 00:56:53,160
to air this wasn't scheduled
like, oh, it's gonna be the

987
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,340
Russell Brand expos a in a week
or in two weeks? No, it's like,

988
00:56:56,370 --> 00:56:58,590
it's like, oh, we're pre
empting. All programming, we

989
00:56:58,590 --> 00:57:03,120
have to show this right away.
That does it. Immediate, better

990
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:08,100
33322. And so he comes out the
day before and says, Oh, they're

991
00:57:08,100 --> 00:57:11,910
going to do something about me,
which says that I've done some

992
00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:16,890
horrible things. I deny these
allegations. This is not true.

993
00:57:16,890 --> 00:57:20,550
All of my relationships have
been consensual. And I've been

994
00:57:20,550 --> 00:57:25,320
very open about my promiscuity,
etc. And by the way, they could

995
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:29,010
have done this XYZ on him at any
time. They probably should have

996
00:57:29,010 --> 00:57:32,280
done it when he was a channel
four. Because that's when it was

997
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,890
all going down. And you know,
there's questionable, the

998
00:57:34,890 --> 00:57:38,730
allegations are, are definitely
not good. But there's no

999
00:57:38,730 --> 00:57:42,060
criminal investigation or no
criminal charges that I'm aware

1000
00:57:42,060 --> 00:57:47,550
of. But he's basically been
convicted just by the media. So

1001
00:57:48,900 --> 00:57:52,920
what we'll see if I can do this
in the right in the right order.

1002
00:57:53,130 --> 00:57:57,090
So what you'd expect is an
entire me two conversation to

1003
00:57:57,090 --> 00:58:00,210
happen. You know, it's like
everyone should be talking about

1004
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:05,670
No, no, is no. And, you know,
believe or even is pleased. It's

1005
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:07,830
just they believe all women.
That's what it used to be. But

1006
00:58:07,830 --> 00:58:12,990
that was not the conversation
anywhere, anywhere, including

1007
00:58:13,470 --> 00:58:15,840
our very own pod news Weekly
Review,

1008
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,860
Unknown: I'm sure that Adam will
probably cover it on the Friday

1009
00:58:19,860 --> 00:58:24,900
show. He has had, he's been
cancelled, basically on many

1010
00:58:24,900 --> 00:58:30,660
platforms. And unless I'm wrong,
the law used to be innocent

1011
00:58:30,660 --> 00:58:32,160
until proven guilty.

1012
00:58:32,190 --> 00:58:35,010
Adam Curry: Now while Sam, of
course is correct, that is not

1013
00:58:35,010 --> 00:58:37,920
even in play here. No one's
really even talking about that.

1014
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:42,180
It's only about canceling
Russell Brand and a very

1015
00:58:42,180 --> 00:58:44,130
specific kind of canceling

1016
00:58:44,190 --> 00:58:47,550
Unknown: as opposed to guilty on
social media. And then the

1017
00:58:47,550 --> 00:58:47,940
platform.

1018
00:58:47,970 --> 00:58:51,900
Yes, I think I mean, he's been
so what he hasn't necessarily

1019
00:58:51,900 --> 00:58:55,500
been D platformed. But what's
gone on is YouTube music. So in

1020
00:58:55,500 --> 00:58:59,700
case you don't know, he's been
he's a comedian in inverted

1021
00:58:59,700 --> 00:59:04,800
commas in the UK, and he's been
accused of a number of quite

1022
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:09,990
serious sexual allegations. And
my understanding is that YouTube

1023
00:59:09,990 --> 00:59:15,330
has demonetized him although
Todd and Rob were very, or at

1024
00:59:15,330 --> 00:59:20,190
least Rob was very keen in
suggesting that he may have been

1025
00:59:20,190 --> 00:59:23,190
demonetized, because the
advertisers didn't want to be

1026
00:59:23,190 --> 00:59:26,070
advertising the next to his
content.

1027
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:30,780
Adam Curry: This is what is
happening. D monetization, but

1028
00:59:30,780 --> 00:59:34,830
it's not even the platform's No,
we're going after advertisers.

1029
00:59:34,980 --> 00:59:38,250
Because once you go after the
advertisers, that's it the

1030
00:59:38,250 --> 00:59:43,350
platform's buckle and fold
immediately, because we can't

1031
00:59:43,350 --> 00:59:47,820
have a reputation and YouTube of
course, you know, Google right

1032
00:59:47,820 --> 00:59:53,910
away did that. But it seems like
people are going after

1033
00:59:54,180 --> 00:59:57,660
advertisers everywhere. So it
might not have been by the way,

1034
00:59:57,660 --> 01:00:01,530
if Rob says that I'm going to
take That is true if if he heard

1035
01:00:01,530 --> 01:00:04,740
that I think he's close enough
to YouTube to know that that's

1036
01:00:04,740 --> 01:00:07,890
probably what happened.
Advertisers said, Yeah, we don't

1037
01:00:07,890 --> 01:00:10,410
care if you have that guy on but
we don't want ads anywhere near

1038
01:00:10,410 --> 01:00:11,280
him. So it might

1039
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,590
Unknown: not have been YouTube
actually making that decision.

1040
01:00:13,590 --> 01:00:15,870
It might have been the
advertisers who basically said

1041
01:00:15,870 --> 01:00:18,450
no, he's he's he's no longer
brand safe. And

1042
01:00:18,450 --> 01:00:21,750
Adam Curry: James says it
correctly. It's not the it's not

1043
01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:26,760
the platform, the advertisers
call the shots. The advertisers

1044
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:31,080
call the shots they control, not
the not the platform, the

1045
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:32,910
advertisers remember that.

1046
01:00:33,060 --> 01:00:36,030
Unknown: But in any case, he's
been demonetized from his

1047
01:00:36,030 --> 01:00:39,030
YouTube channel where he has six
point something million people.

1048
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:46,050
So that's quite a thing. I know
that the BBC, have been sniffing

1049
01:00:46,050 --> 01:00:48,870
around BBC News, which is
journalistically independent

1050
01:00:48,870 --> 01:00:51,090
from the rest of the BBC, I know
that they've been sniffing

1051
01:00:51,090 --> 01:00:55,800
around the podcast companies
wondering whether the podcast

1052
01:00:55,830 --> 01:01:01,020
platforms are taking down
Russell Brand content. So I have

1053
01:01:01,020 --> 01:01:04,080
been helping them with their
inquiries. Oh, nice.

1054
01:01:06,690 --> 01:01:10,890
Adam Curry: All right, James.
Okay, so just just inquires, I

1055
01:01:10,890 --> 01:01:13,530
understand. I'm sure you're very
helpful to the independent BBC

1056
01:01:13,530 --> 01:01:19,800
News. So they are not only
looking at YouTube and, and

1057
01:01:19,830 --> 01:01:23,760
video platforms, but they are
sniffing around the BBC is

1058
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:28,770
sniffing around to see make sure
that no podcasting companies are

1059
01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:31,890
better be taken Russell Brand
off of their networks. They've

1060
01:01:31,890 --> 01:01:34,230
been wanting to do this for so
long. And how do you think

1061
01:01:34,230 --> 01:01:36,360
they're doing that? Well,
they're gonna be doing that by

1062
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,630
going after their advertisers.
But there was something else

1063
01:01:39,630 --> 01:01:40,680
interesting that James said,

1064
01:01:40,710 --> 01:01:43,470
Unknown: I mean, I have to say,
I was listening to the news

1065
01:01:43,470 --> 01:01:47,040
agents a couple of days ago, and
they started with a clip of

1066
01:01:47,340 --> 01:01:50,010
Russell Brand talking to Jimmy
Savile.

1067
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:52,740
Adam Curry: That's actually the
so that's,

1068
01:01:52,980 --> 01:01:56,130
Dave Jones: that's a mental
Association, though, being made.

1069
01:01:56,220 --> 01:01:59,100
Well, that's actually been him
and like one of the worst sexual

1070
01:01:59,100 --> 01:02:00,570
criminals in British history.

1071
01:02:01,020 --> 01:02:03,780
Adam Curry: And that's the
second episode of the news

1072
01:02:03,780 --> 01:02:06,900
agents, where they started with
and talked about Russell Brand.

1073
01:02:07,980 --> 01:02:11,190
I listen to the news agents. I
like it. I think it's good. It's

1074
01:02:11,190 --> 01:02:16,410
a bunch of very famous British
journalists. And it's kind of a

1075
01:02:16,410 --> 01:02:20,130
newsroom type idea. They sit
around and chat about the news

1076
01:02:20,130 --> 01:02:23,010
the way you would in the
newsroom. And they are really

1077
01:02:23,010 --> 01:02:25,560
famous. They've interviewed all
the all the big people in the

1078
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:29,580
world. So the first episode
where they talked about Russell

1079
01:02:29,580 --> 01:02:32,340
Brand, you would think that some
journalists would be talking

1080
01:02:32,340 --> 01:02:37,260
about Wow, these allegations,
are there. Are there any charges

1081
01:02:37,260 --> 01:02:40,200
being made? I mean, is this
going to illegal case? Is it

1082
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,510
going to be tried in Los
Angeles, where it took place

1083
01:02:42,510 --> 01:02:45,660
will be tried in the UK? Well,
what do you think not? Isn't it

1084
01:02:45,660 --> 01:02:47,490
funny, they didn't talk about
that at all.

1085
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,170
Unknown: I mean, when you've got
a situation when you know,

1086
01:02:49,170 --> 01:02:51,720
Russell Brand, I mean, just to
take some of his digital

1087
01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:56,010
followings. He's got 4 million
on Instagram, 2.2 million on

1088
01:02:56,010 --> 01:03:00,270
tick tock six and a half million
on YouTube. And you know, when

1089
01:03:00,270 --> 01:03:02,700
you look at some of the things
that some of his followers have

1090
01:03:02,700 --> 01:03:06,120
been saying over the weekend, in
response to him, and you know,

1091
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,270
the internet isn't necessarily
real life, but it's always, to

1092
01:03:09,270 --> 01:03:09,990
some extent, a

1093
01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:13,440
reflection of a bit of real
life. And it is also financial,

1094
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,410
financially lucrative and
realize, oh, it's

1095
01:03:16,410 --> 01:03:18,480
Adam Curry: financially
lucrative. Oh, we can't have

1096
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:18,870
that.

1097
01:03:19,050 --> 01:03:21,300
Unknown: You know, some of the
things we're with you, Russell.

1098
01:03:21,510 --> 01:03:25,290
I've been wondering how long it
would be until they they tried

1099
01:03:25,290 --> 01:03:28,530
to pull this card with a lot of
crying emoji. I'm with you all

1100
01:03:28,530 --> 01:03:31,410
the way Russell, they did it to
Assange. They tried it with

1101
01:03:31,410 --> 01:03:34,560
Bernie Sanders. They did it to
Corbin. They'll try and find

1102
01:03:34,590 --> 01:03:36,600
anyone they find a threat. And
as we were talking about

1103
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,420
yesterday, this is where there
is the intersection between

1104
01:03:39,630 --> 01:03:42,420
media and this new media
ecosystem. And politics.

1105
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,330
Adam Curry: Yeah, there it is.
This is really about the new

1106
01:03:45,330 --> 01:03:50,520
media ecosystem and politics.
This is this is not about

1107
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:54,360
Russell Brand raping anybody.
That's not what this is about.

1108
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:58,260
This is about the elite
messaging system. They don't

1109
01:03:58,260 --> 01:04:03,630
like it. They don't and, in
fact, isn't on the same day, in

1110
01:04:03,630 --> 01:04:10,230
fact that they passed the Online
Safety Act in the UK, which is

1111
01:04:10,230 --> 01:04:13,590
just funny by itself, which will
be making it much easier for law

1112
01:04:13,590 --> 01:04:17,850
enforcement to take content
down. We have a dame Caroline

1113
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:22,380
denies JD and Onge. She's a
member of parliament. She's the

1114
01:04:22,380 --> 01:04:25,110
chair of the culture Media and
Sport committee commission

1115
01:04:25,140 --> 01:04:31,860
committee writing a memo to the
CEO of rumble. Then listen to

1116
01:04:31,860 --> 01:04:34,590
what she says. I am writing
concerning the serious

1117
01:04:34,590 --> 01:04:37,470
allegations regarding Russell
Brand in the context of his

1118
01:04:37,470 --> 01:04:41,220
being a content provider on
rumble with more than 1.4

1119
01:04:41,220 --> 01:04:44,610
million followers. You see the
see the irritation here. The

1120
01:04:44,610 --> 01:04:47,520
culture Media and Sport
committee is raising questions

1121
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:50,070
with the broadcasters and
production companies who

1122
01:04:50,070 --> 01:04:53,130
previously employed Mr. Brand to
examine both the culture of the

1123
01:04:53,130 --> 01:04:56,490
industry in the past and whether
that culture still prevails

1124
01:04:56,490 --> 01:05:00,540
today and here comes however, we
are also looking at His use of

1125
01:05:00,540 --> 01:05:03,930
social media including on
rumble, where he issued his pre

1126
01:05:03,930 --> 01:05:06,660
emptive response to the
accusations made against him by

1127
01:05:06,660 --> 01:05:09,660
the Sunday Times. And Channel
Four dispatches. While we

1128
01:05:09,660 --> 01:05:12,330
recognize that Rumble is not the
creator of the content published

1129
01:05:12,330 --> 01:05:15,990
by Mr. Brand, we are concerned
that he may be able to profit

1130
01:05:15,990 --> 01:05:19,650
from his content on the
platform, we would be grateful

1131
01:05:19,650 --> 01:05:22,980
if you could confirm whether Mr.
Brand is able to monetize his

1132
01:05:22,980 --> 01:05:27,750
content, including his videos
relating to the serious

1133
01:05:27,750 --> 01:05:31,200
accusations against him. If so,
we would like to know whether

1134
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:34,980
rumble intends to join YouTube
in suspending Mr. brand's

1135
01:05:35,010 --> 01:05:37,740
ability to earn money on the
platform.

1136
01:05:38,340 --> 01:05:41,250
Dave Jones: What an odd letter
it.

1137
01:05:41,580 --> 01:05:45,990
Adam Curry: And now to his
credit, the CEO of rumble said

1138
01:05:46,020 --> 01:05:49,290
we're not going to do any such
thing. Whatever he does outside

1139
01:05:49,290 --> 01:05:52,950
of the content on Rumble is what
he does. Let's go back to the

1140
01:05:52,950 --> 01:05:53,760
News agents.

1141
01:05:53,910 --> 01:05:56,490
Unknown: I think there are
places that are a few like the

1142
01:05:56,490 --> 01:06:01,980
safety net more than that the
new ecosystem to this whole idea

1143
01:06:01,980 --> 01:06:03,540
of cancellation so

1144
01:06:03,900 --> 01:06:07,500
Adam Curry: so they're they're
talking about the new ecosystem.

1145
01:06:08,340 --> 01:06:11,490
And this is a big problem for
them. And they want to de

1146
01:06:11,490 --> 01:06:15,870
monetize anybody using the new
ecosystem. As we just heard from

1147
01:06:15,870 --> 01:06:21,300
James, the BBC, journalists are
now going to podcast companies

1148
01:06:21,870 --> 01:06:25,620
sniffing around think make sure
that no one's that he's not able

1149
01:06:25,620 --> 01:06:30,750
to make any money. And the last
thing you want is the BBC to

1150
01:06:30,750 --> 01:06:35,790
say, well, you know, what, this
company over here who has

1151
01:06:35,790 --> 01:06:39,630
advertisers, they are letting
Russell Brand make money? He

1152
01:06:39,630 --> 01:06:44,790
don't you know, he's a rapist.
Kid that that now we're into a

1153
01:06:44,790 --> 01:06:48,570
whole different ballgame. This
is not about any accusations.

1154
01:06:48,570 --> 01:06:53,130
It's not even about him being
guilty. by public opinion, this

1155
01:06:53,130 --> 01:06:59,940
is this is about control of the
ecosystem that they don't like.

1156
01:07:00,150 --> 01:07:02,250
Unknown: I was told yesterday
that actually one of the

1157
01:07:02,250 --> 01:07:07,410
platforms in which Russell Brand
is heavily monetizing cabling is

1158
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,110
rumble. And it was a site that I
wasn't that familiar with.

1159
01:07:11,010 --> 01:07:13,710
Adam Curry: Miss never heard on
the internet all the time. I

1160
01:07:13,710 --> 01:07:15,210
never seen a rumble,

1161
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:18,600
Unknown: it kind of tends to
serve the All right, it tends to

1162
01:07:18,630 --> 01:07:24,060
the characters like Alex Jones
and Steve Bannon and the sort of

1163
01:07:24,090 --> 01:07:29,310
Info Wars kind of people. And I
was told that Russell Brand is

1164
01:07:29,310 --> 01:07:33,300
actually getting millions. What
he does there, whether it's

1165
01:07:33,330 --> 01:07:35,310
monetized or whether they're
actually just paying for him,

1166
01:07:35,519 --> 01:07:39,269
Adam Curry: there is no concern
for rape victims in this woman's

1167
01:07:39,269 --> 01:07:46,199
mind. There's no concern for
misogynistic, anything. No, no,

1168
01:07:46,199 --> 01:07:48,659
no, I'm concerned

1169
01:07:48,660 --> 01:07:48,930
Dave Jones: money.

1170
01:07:48,930 --> 01:07:52,290
Adam Curry: I'm concerned that
this guy, this guy, with Alex

1171
01:07:52,290 --> 01:07:57,180
Jones is of the world and the
Steve Bannon of the world, that

1172
01:07:57,180 --> 01:08:00,900
they're able to make money, this
will not stand because

1173
01:08:00,900 --> 01:08:05,490
Unknown: they find people who
have exactly been shut out, if

1174
01:08:05,490 --> 01:08:09,270
you like of the mainstream
media, or shut out of the BBC or

1175
01:08:09,270 --> 01:08:11,130
channel four, or places that no
longer want to work with him and

1176
01:08:11,130 --> 01:08:15,300
say, oh, right, let us be your
home. And we will provide the

1177
01:08:15,300 --> 01:08:19,320
following for people who don't
really want to be part of that

1178
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:21,420
mainstream media landscape.
Anyway.

1179
01:08:21,450 --> 01:08:24,570
Adam Curry: So So now now we're
gonna wrap this up with these

1180
01:08:24,570 --> 01:08:27,240
guys, because they're just
flabbergasted by this, they had

1181
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:30,930
no idea. There's a whole
alternative ecosystem, which

1182
01:08:30,930 --> 01:08:35,370
according to the BBC includes
podcasts, and this will not

1183
01:08:35,370 --> 01:08:36,030
stand.

1184
01:08:36,330 --> 01:08:38,790
Unknown: And so actually, half
the stuff is going on that a lot

1185
01:08:38,790 --> 01:08:41,640
of people won't see they won't
recognize they

1186
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:43,350
totally forgotten about him,
right.

1187
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:48,479
I went on rumble last night. And
it was really interesting,

1188
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:52,559
because Whoa, boy, what did you
discover lady? I didn't know

1189
01:08:52,559 --> 01:08:54,989
that he'd done the first
interview with Tucker Carlson.

1190
01:08:55,859 --> 01:08:57,629
At Fox News. Oh, no, not

1191
01:08:57,630 --> 01:08:59,220
Adam Curry: the fired Fox News.
Tucker

1192
01:08:59,220 --> 01:09:03,510
Unknown: Carlson presenter. He's
interviewed Ron DeSantis. Oh, no

1193
01:09:03,510 --> 01:09:07,500
Republican keys, I would never,
you would never know that

1194
01:09:07,500 --> 01:09:10,800
Russell Brand was so tied in to
what we think of as the sort of,

1195
01:09:10,860 --> 01:09:14,070
I don't know, the Magga voice or
the American voice.

1196
01:09:14,220 --> 01:09:19,320
Adam Curry: Oh, Ron DeSantis is
not all right. All right,

1197
01:09:19,410 --> 01:09:23,250
mainstream Republican. But okay,
I understand this is your bias.

1198
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:26,700
Unknown: And this suggests that,
you know, we will happily admit,

1199
01:09:26,730 --> 01:09:29,520
we are probably missing parts of
these conversations where

1200
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,640
Russell Brand is flourishing and
will continue to flourish.

1201
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,550
Whether or not the BBC removes
an episode of Qi.

1202
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:38,070
Exactly. And that's what is I
think that's what's so

1203
01:09:38,070 --> 01:09:41,130
fascinating about this, which is
that yeah, I mean, I just I was

1204
01:09:41,130 --> 01:09:43,710
trying to wrap my brains this
morning. I had some vague sense

1205
01:09:43,710 --> 01:09:46,740
I think that he had gone down
this kind of anti Vax kind of

1206
01:09:46,740 --> 01:09:49,530
route and had become kind of
more eccentric,

1207
01:09:49,590 --> 01:09:54,060
Adam Curry: eccentric anti Vax.
Oh, I see Ron DeSantis anti Vax.

1208
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:59,220
These are some of the most
respected journalists in the UK

1209
01:09:59,220 --> 01:10:01,080
where they probably still Do
some journalists

1210
01:10:01,110 --> 01:10:05,160
Unknown: kooky, okay, but I had
no idea really that he was this

1211
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:07,320
is someone I like to think,
right that pretty plugged into

1212
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:10,290
the media, pretty close observer
of the media, but not that type

1213
01:10:10,290 --> 01:10:12,600
of media. And this is the kind
of challenge to us in a way,

1214
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:14,610
right? make ourselves feel
better by

1215
01:10:14,910 --> 01:10:17,190
Adam Curry: a challenge. There
we have it,

1216
01:10:17,580 --> 01:10:19,440
Unknown: you know, thinking, Oh,
right. He's been dropped by

1217
01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:21,690
this, that and the other. And
maybe it's not applicable to

1218
01:10:21,690 --> 01:10:24,120
loads of people. But for someone
like brand, it doesn't matter.

1219
01:10:24,390 --> 01:10:28,050
Adam Curry: Okay, now. So just
let me to wrap this up. I'm

1220
01:10:28,050 --> 01:10:31,680
going to use another example.
And I'm so happy that James had

1221
01:10:31,740 --> 01:10:34,950
told us that the BBC was
sniffing around podcast

1222
01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:38,940
companies, because this is what
journalism has become.

1223
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:42,690
Journalism has not become like,
let me talk to Russell Brand.

1224
01:10:42,870 --> 01:10:45,180
And let me see what's going on.
What do you say about these

1225
01:10:45,180 --> 01:10:51,030
allegations? No, no, no, the BBC
independent journalism? Yes, I

1226
01:10:51,030 --> 01:10:54,300
would. I would say BBC is world
renowned for their independent

1227
01:10:54,300 --> 01:10:57,360
journalism. They are sniffing
around podcasting companies

1228
01:10:57,450 --> 01:11:01,740
trying to get stories, whether
he's still monetizing on any of

1229
01:11:01,740 --> 01:11:05,310
these platforms. And this is
exactly what the Washington Post

1230
01:11:05,310 --> 01:11:08,910
did. Another bastion of
reporting. I would say the New

1231
01:11:08,910 --> 01:11:11,730
York Times and The Washington
Post are two of the most

1232
01:11:11,730 --> 01:11:16,800
respected newspaper newspapers
by the mainstream messaging

1233
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:23,640
system. They are so hate Dave
Portnoy from Barstool Sports.

1234
01:11:24,090 --> 01:11:25,380
Dave Jones: But who is this?
Yeah,

1235
01:11:25,470 --> 01:11:30,270
Adam Curry: who is? You know,
think of him what you may that

1236
01:11:30,300 --> 01:11:33,300
he has an event called pizza
fest. And he's actually been

1237
01:11:33,300 --> 01:11:37,140
supporting pizzerias during the
whole lockdown, and he raised

1238
01:11:37,140 --> 01:11:40,410
millions of dollars for small
businesses. So instead of

1239
01:11:40,410 --> 01:11:42,720
talking to Dave Portnoy and
saying, We hate you, you

1240
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:47,580
misogynist. They went behind his
back to his sponsors. This is

1241
01:11:47,580 --> 01:11:48,060
Emily.

1242
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:51,240
Unknown: Emily, this is Dave
Portnoy calling. I'm recording

1243
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:54,840
you right now. But I've noticed
a bunch of people you're it

1244
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:57,870
seems like you're sending. We
have this pizza fest happening

1245
01:11:57,870 --> 01:12:02,310
on Saturday, and you're reaching
out to our advertisers. And

1246
01:12:02,340 --> 01:12:06,450
you're basically sending an
email that says to the effect,

1247
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:10,860
Dave's mesogenic racist, do you
want to defend yourselves

1248
01:12:10,860 --> 01:12:12,870
advertising at this event?
Right.

1249
01:12:13,650 --> 01:12:15,990
I'm sorry. What's your name?
Dave. I'm sorry. Who are you?

1250
01:12:16,170 --> 01:12:18,750
I'm the guy you're writing the
article about Dave Portnoy. Oh,

1251
01:12:18,750 --> 01:12:22,650
you're Jake Portnoy. Oh, hey,
how are you? Hey, good. No, I'm

1252
01:12:22,650 --> 01:12:26,280
not. I'm not. I haven't said
anything like that. I'm well, I

1253
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:30,990
can read. If you want. If you
want, I can read what you

1254
01:12:30,990 --> 01:12:32,460
actually sent. I have it.

1255
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,640
Yeah, yeah. Because I sent a
bunch of notes. So I want to

1256
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:36,780
make sure I know which one.

1257
01:12:36,930 --> 01:12:40,950
Okay. We are planning to write
about the festival and how and

1258
01:12:40,950 --> 01:12:43,410
how some of the sponsors and
participants have drawn

1259
01:12:43,410 --> 01:12:46,290
criticism by seemingly to
associate themselves with Dave

1260
01:12:46,290 --> 01:12:50,040
Portnoy, who has a history of
mesogenic comments and other

1261
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:53,070
problematic behavior. I want to
make sure that blank had a

1262
01:12:53,070 --> 01:12:55,350
chance to respond to this since
the company is the most

1263
01:12:55,350 --> 01:12:57,360
prominent and their partners of
his Festival,

1264
01:12:59,340 --> 01:13:01,830
which was definitely the most
pointed of them. Because point I

1265
01:13:01,830 --> 01:13:04,500
really did want them to respond.
And I was hoping to get

1266
01:13:04,530 --> 01:13:05,610
something from them. Do you

1267
01:13:05,610 --> 01:13:09,360
think that's fair? Like, I
totally disagree with the

1268
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:12,540
assertions of what you said that
mesogenic and all that stuff. So

1269
01:13:12,690 --> 01:13:16,140
like, it kind of backs people
into a corner. So I'm happy to

1270
01:13:16,140 --> 01:13:20,220
go over anything. I mean, you
have that is pretty pointed. You

1271
01:13:20,220 --> 01:13:22,740
said you didn't do it, then I
have the exact evidence of you

1272
01:13:22,740 --> 01:13:23,850
doing it. So

1273
01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:26,940
I didn't say I didn't do that. I
said I did that was the one that

1274
01:13:26,940 --> 01:13:28,290
was the most well, no, yeah.

1275
01:13:28,830 --> 01:13:31,920
Adam Curry: So my I think my
point is made here they're going

1276
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:35,880
after advertisers, they can't go
after the platform's directly.

1277
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:39,570
They're not even asking you to
to deep platformed like to take

1278
01:13:39,570 --> 01:13:43,290
him off, that just creates too
much strife, no, just no money

1279
01:13:43,290 --> 01:13:47,400
for you. And if the platform's
won't do it directly, they will

1280
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:51,570
go to your advertisers, and that
will end all these Rumble is

1281
01:13:51,570 --> 01:13:55,530
spending 40 million a month and
bringing in 20, their public

1282
01:13:55,530 --> 01:13:58,320
company, their numbers are
public, they're never gonna make

1283
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:02,340
it. And advertisers don't want
this they don't want you know,

1284
01:14:02,370 --> 01:14:05,640
yeah. You know, people say well,
won't there be advertisers who

1285
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:09,960
are who think the same? No,
advertisers want to sell to

1286
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:14,790
everybody, not just to one kind
of person. This is the end of

1287
01:14:14,820 --> 01:14:21,570
advertising based alternative
open free ecosystems, platforms

1288
01:14:21,570 --> 01:14:26,880
they do not work. They will not
work this is why we are here the

1289
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,940
Lord I'm going to go biblical on
you the Lord brought us together

1290
01:14:29,940 --> 01:14:35,910
Dave Jones to build not just the
index, but the value for value

1291
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:40,440
system as well with God's money.
Now backslash

1292
01:14:45,570 --> 01:14:50,430
Dave Jones: This is the what was
that term with the phrase I'm

1293
01:14:50,430 --> 01:14:57,300
trying to remember it's the the
process is the punishment. This

1294
01:14:57,300 --> 01:15:00,300
is the process is the punishment
because you get just do Is the

1295
01:15:00,300 --> 01:15:04,500
accusation of a thing? Not, you
know, I know nothing about

1296
01:15:04,500 --> 01:15:07,650
Russell Brand that he may be
completely guilty. But that's

1297
01:15:07,650 --> 01:15:12,060
not the point. The point is that
but the the mere process of

1298
01:15:12,060 --> 01:15:16,050
going through it is the
punishment Yeah, because the

1299
01:15:16,050 --> 01:15:20,310
focus is not on the guilt or
innocence. The focus is on the

1300
01:15:20,310 --> 01:15:25,020
monetization is like the whole,
the whole thing is, we have to

1301
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:30,780
hurry up and D monetize you
immediately. And then dot dot

1302
01:15:30,780 --> 01:15:34,080
dot plan, you know, step two,
and they don't care what step

1303
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:34,800
two is, this

1304
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:39,660
Adam Curry: is why people still
say we're just in the early days

1305
01:15:39,660 --> 01:15:43,380
of podcasting, the early wave
the second inning, no,

1306
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:47,040
advertisers want complete
control. They have complete

1307
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:51,090
control at YouTube. One of the
most powerful companies on Earth

1308
01:15:51,150 --> 01:15:54,690
runs YouTube. Yet the
advertisers have complete

1309
01:15:54,690 --> 01:15:57,960
control over what they show. We
know this now from our

1310
01:15:58,260 --> 01:16:03,480
reasonably informed inside
sources. So this is this is they

1311
01:16:03,480 --> 01:16:08,910
want they don't want some people
talking on a podcast. This no

1312
01:16:08,910 --> 01:16:12,750
control if unless we know
exactly what they say. So enter

1313
01:16:12,750 --> 01:16:16,110
what has happened now I'm just
gonna break it all down. What

1314
01:16:16,110 --> 01:16:20,850
has happened now is we have aI
making or using transcripts,

1315
01:16:20,850 --> 01:16:24,030
making sure you're brand safe.
We have rating agencies, we have

1316
01:16:24,030 --> 01:16:27,600
Garm we have all these different
systems to make sure that the

1317
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:31,440
most bland vanilla bull crap
stuff. Oh, you know what? Forget

1318
01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:36,810
about that. A cast the you know,
the who supposedly is still the

1319
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:39,840
they're doing it all a cast is
doing it. They've got Amy

1320
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:43,860
Poehler. And they're baking in
what was that? Like some

1321
01:16:43,860 --> 01:16:48,270
detergent into a scripted show?
Yeah, yeah, that will work.

1322
01:16:48,300 --> 01:16:55,290
That's not alternative, open
free media. That's an ecosystem

1323
01:16:55,290 --> 01:16:58,590
that survives and thrives
outside of the mainstream

1324
01:16:58,590 --> 01:17:03,210
messaging system. No, it's not
the it won't work. They want

1325
01:17:03,210 --> 01:17:06,540
control, you either are all in
and have full control, or you

1326
01:17:06,540 --> 01:17:10,410
don't. And the and just to break
it down a little bit further.

1327
01:17:10,650 --> 01:17:16,890
God bless Dovi Das, God bless,
Todd, God bless Tom and Ross.

1328
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:22,110
God bless these guys. We have a
distributed RSS based ecosystem.

1329
01:17:23,340 --> 01:17:27,360
And you can easily bop around,
you can even set up your own

1330
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:31,020
little RSS feed, you know, I
could have 20 people remember,

1331
01:17:31,020 --> 01:17:34,560
remember, they tried to take
down WikiLeaks, and they and

1332
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:37,680
they they blocked the domain
name. And then everybody started

1333
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:41,040
registering WikiLeaks domain
names, they never were able to

1334
01:17:41,100 --> 01:17:44,910
really fully take down WikiLeaks
ever. They just gave up on under

1335
01:17:44,910 --> 01:17:47,520
certain point. And then that
just threw him in jail. You

1336
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,730
know? What, just throw him in
jail is a better way. Yeah,

1337
01:17:50,730 --> 01:17:55,380
that's a better way to do okay.
So anyone who thinks that there

1338
01:17:55,380 --> 01:17:59,670
is an industry that will survive
this is wrong is you can become

1339
01:17:59,670 --> 01:18:03,870
a part of the you know, the news
agents industry, you can become

1340
01:18:03,870 --> 01:18:06,840
a part of that global and all
that you can be a part of that.

1341
01:18:07,020 --> 01:18:10,710
Very few people will have
success. And that's what you're

1342
01:18:10,710 --> 01:18:14,130
seeing. I don't even think
podcast, one can monetize Adam

1343
01:18:14,130 --> 01:18:17,730
Carolla. He's too polarizing,
even though he's pretty bland.

1344
01:18:18,660 --> 01:18:22,170
But he's not on board with the
current messaging. So it will

1345
01:18:22,170 --> 01:18:26,700
not work the system we have
devised and I say we not you and

1346
01:18:26,700 --> 01:18:30,990
I, but everybody in this
boardroom is the only way

1347
01:18:30,990 --> 01:18:34,350
forward. I'm open to
suggestions. But we need to

1348
01:18:34,350 --> 01:18:35,880
build out what we're doing.

1349
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,790
Dave Jones: Direct Support that
this the only way that it goes.

1350
01:18:42,060 --> 01:18:44,130
This the only way that I heard
that it happened. I don't think

1351
01:18:44,130 --> 01:18:46,170
any of these companies are
making making money. I mean,

1352
01:18:46,410 --> 01:18:51,150
podcast, one clearly is not a
cast is clearly not. Spotify is

1353
01:18:51,150 --> 01:18:54,750
not, I mean, everybody that's
trying these strategies, they're

1354
01:18:54,750 --> 01:18:58,650
not make they're not profitable.
And, you know, it would be

1355
01:18:58,650 --> 01:19:04,080
different. It would be different
if we had this sort of litany of

1356
01:19:04,110 --> 01:19:07,800
companies that have proven time
and time and time again, that

1357
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:11,250
this is a viable business model.
But I don't think we even have

1358
01:19:11,250 --> 01:19:18,840
one, do we? I know of none. Has
anybody ever successfully? Do we

1359
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:21,060
know this for a fact? Now I'm
asking do we know this for a

1360
01:19:21,060 --> 01:19:27,390
fact? I'm not asking whether or
not that was a great a quote

1361
01:19:27,390 --> 01:19:30,210
unquote, great company, or
whether or anything like that

1362
01:19:30,210 --> 01:19:35,400
I'm talking about? Do we know in
black and white beyond a shadow

1363
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:41,700
of a doubt that a single company
that has tried the network pod,

1364
01:19:41,730 --> 01:19:46,230
the podcast network roll up
strategy has been profitable?

1365
01:19:47,220 --> 01:19:50,850
No, I don't think we do. No, I
don't think we have one example

1366
01:19:50,850 --> 01:19:51,690
of that working.

1367
01:19:52,260 --> 01:19:54,030
Adam Curry: Because everyone
kept saying we'll do it with

1368
01:19:54,030 --> 01:19:56,400
ads. We'll do it with ads. We'll
do it with ads. We'll do it with

1369
01:19:56,400 --> 01:20:00,900
IP we'll do with and it's just
not there. But the Beauty is

1370
01:20:02,010 --> 01:20:08,040
Todd's customers receive $10,000
in value for value payments.

1371
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:13,830
Dave Jones: See that? That's
beautiful. See who that would

1372
01:20:13,830 --> 01:20:17,850
be? Where? So do you do you put
yourself in the split at all?

1373
01:20:18,690 --> 01:20:19,200
For ourselves?

1374
01:20:19,230 --> 01:20:24,090
Dovydas: I don't know. Okay, so
that's something I might do in

1375
01:20:24,090 --> 01:20:27,930
the future. Again, you have to
really communicate this, right?

1376
01:20:28,350 --> 01:20:33,540
As I've said before, because you
know, I don't want to create an

1377
01:20:33,540 --> 01:20:38,670
impression that I'm essentially
charging my clients twice. But

1378
01:20:38,940 --> 01:20:42,330
if you really communicate the D
four V model, right, yeah, I

1379
01:20:42,330 --> 01:20:46,380
think that's totally plausible.
Since I would love to,

1380
01:20:46,710 --> 01:20:49,950
Dave Jones: I would love to
have, you know, a lifted for,

1381
01:20:50,430 --> 01:20:53,340
for you to be able to say, Hey,
this is how much money we made

1382
01:20:53,340 --> 01:20:57,630
for our, you know, for our
podcasters. And for Tom and

1383
01:20:57,630 --> 01:21:00,150
Kevin to say, this is how much
we made for our podcasters. And

1384
01:21:00,150 --> 01:21:03,450
Ben and Alberto to say, this is
how much we made. So I would

1385
01:21:03,450 --> 01:21:06,330
love to have sort of those stats
across the board. I thought it

1386
01:21:06,330 --> 01:21:10,470
was really, that was really open
have to have Todd to, to put

1387
01:21:10,470 --> 01:21:10,620
that

1388
01:21:10,620 --> 01:21:13,290
Adam Curry: out there. That was
awesome. That was awesome.

1389
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:17,670
Dave Jones: Yeah, too, because
so much of podcasting. And I

1390
01:21:17,670 --> 01:21:20,760
think, you know, we've been
decrying this for a long time

1391
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:24,510
that podcasting is very
secretive. Nobody wants anybody

1392
01:21:24,510 --> 01:21:27,150
to know, their download numbers.
Nobody wants anybody to know,

1393
01:21:27,150 --> 01:21:30,270
their metrics, and all these
kinds of things. And honestly, I

1394
01:21:30,270 --> 01:21:33,720
think a lot, some of it is
legitimate, like, you know, Todd

1395
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,270
gives that example of somebody
who has to work in a day job and

1396
01:21:36,270 --> 01:21:39,480
doing a podcast and didn't want
to be, you know, it'd be known

1397
01:21:39,480 --> 01:21:42,810
publicly that they were making,
you know, a lot of money. But I

1398
01:21:42,810 --> 01:21:45,690
think in a lot of circumstances
with the network stuff, and with

1399
01:21:45,690 --> 01:21:48,090
these with these download
numbers, I think people don't

1400
01:21:48,090 --> 01:21:50,520
want other people to know,
because they they see that it's

1401
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:50,910
not

1402
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:54,150
Adam Curry: there, it's not
there. Exactly. It's just not

1403
01:21:54,150 --> 01:21:54,570
there.

1404
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:58,740
Dave Jones: Yeah. And they
podcasting 2.0, I mean, what you

1405
01:21:58,770 --> 01:22:03,510
with a bring op three into that
as well. When everything is

1406
01:22:03,510 --> 01:22:06,870
open, there's no question marks,
you just know what's working, or

1407
01:22:06,870 --> 01:22:10,380
it's not. And it just is, it's
real, it's either reality, or is

1408
01:22:10,380 --> 01:22:13,560
not, you're living in the truth,
instead of living in a bunch of,

1409
01:22:13,590 --> 01:22:15,060
you know, shadows.

1410
01:22:15,510 --> 01:22:19,410
Adam Curry: And it's going to
take a while for value for value

1411
01:22:19,410 --> 01:22:24,780
music, to you know, get our
footing and know exactly where

1412
01:22:24,780 --> 01:22:27,750
we're at. And we're already
running much faster than I ever

1413
01:22:27,750 --> 01:22:35,490
expected. But this, this is
going to break everything. I

1414
01:22:35,490 --> 01:22:41,610
mean, it already is. The beauty
of it is just like these jokes,

1415
01:22:41,820 --> 01:22:44,190
you know, they have no idea
Russell Brand is making

1416
01:22:44,190 --> 01:22:46,500
millions, he may be making
hundreds of 1000s, I have no

1417
01:22:46,500 --> 01:22:49,260
idea what he's making. Clearly,
he's making pacemaking

1418
01:22:49,260 --> 01:22:55,950
something. The idea being that
you don't need to be number one,

1419
01:22:55,980 --> 01:23:00,180
on Channel Four, you don't need
to be number one on the BBC, you

1420
01:23:00,180 --> 01:23:06,840
need to basically be able to
survive, be able to pay your

1421
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:09,990
rent, this is what this is what
I've said for 50, almost 60,

1422
01:23:09,990 --> 01:23:13,260
it'd be 16 years in October,
just I just want to be able to

1423
01:23:13,260 --> 01:23:17,310
pay my bills and do the show.
That's it. And the people have

1424
01:23:17,340 --> 01:23:20,190
heard that message and they get
enough value from this has no

1425
01:23:20,190 --> 01:23:25,740
agenda in particular. But this
project, same thing. Just if

1426
01:23:25,740 --> 01:23:28,530
it's if it's valuable enough to
people the podcast and the

1427
01:23:28,530 --> 01:23:32,040
project, they will support it
and they have and and and we

1428
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:36,090
take no money out of it. But we
don't also don't need it. You

1429
01:23:36,090 --> 01:23:39,360
know, sometimes a project is
like that. Sometimes a project

1430
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:43,020
is good for just for the feeling
of legacy. Like we're doing it

1431
01:23:43,020 --> 01:23:45,840
sometimes it's good for your
club or for your church or for

1432
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:50,010
your you know, your product or
for your company. It's

1433
01:23:50,790 --> 01:23:55,110
recreating the mainstream system
and podcasting, it does not

1434
01:23:55,110 --> 01:24:00,090
compute. It does not compute has
to be scripted. That's why True

1435
01:24:00,090 --> 01:24:04,230
Crime works with ads. You can
you can do an upfront and here's

1436
01:24:04,230 --> 01:24:06,420
here's what you're buying, you
know, here, you know, what's

1437
01:24:06,420 --> 01:24:07,320
going to be this.

1438
01:24:09,060 --> 01:24:14,220
Dave Jones: Did it WASD? Do you
have a? You know, thinking? Adam

1439
01:24:14,220 --> 01:24:18,390
was talking about no agenda,
just then. Do you have a plan?

1440
01:24:18,630 --> 01:24:22,800
This is an odd question to ask.
But do you have a plan for if a

1441
01:24:22,830 --> 01:24:27,600
show comes to our says blue and
blows up and has millions of

1442
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:31,620
downloads? Is that going to? I
mean, is that is that scare you

1443
01:24:31,620 --> 01:24:32,010
at all?

1444
01:24:33,510 --> 01:24:38,940
Dovydas: I mean so far. So one
of the shows we host is actually

1445
01:24:38,940 --> 01:24:45,030
quite big up so there haven't
been any problems yet. So the

1446
01:24:45,510 --> 01:24:51,030
infrastructure I use right now
is really nice in terms of

1447
01:24:51,030 --> 01:24:56,250
pricing, in terms of bandwidth.
So that hasn't really been a

1448
01:24:56,250 --> 01:25:04,530
problem at all. I Yes. Is the
search part that might be more

1449
01:25:04,530 --> 01:25:09,060
difficult in the long term?
Especially if I am going to

1450
01:25:09,060 --> 01:25:09,870
support video?

1451
01:25:12,059 --> 01:25:14,609
Dave Jones: Yeah, because that
do you? Do you plan to support

1452
01:25:14,639 --> 01:25:16,349
for video does that on your
roadmap?

1453
01:25:18,060 --> 01:25:21,930
Dovydas: It's something I would
like to try. I feel many of

1454
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:25,410
people that are coming to
podcasting right now, would love

1455
01:25:25,410 --> 01:25:30,840
to experiment with video. The
podcasters that have been doing

1456
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:36,780
this for years, seem to be less
interested. And I feel this

1457
01:25:36,780 --> 01:25:40,260
couldn't be a good opportunity
to bring in new people.

1458
01:25:41,850 --> 01:25:46,020
Dave Jones: So that is, so if,
because that's this is that age

1459
01:25:46,020 --> 01:25:51,420
old conundrum with with podcast
hosting is, you if, if a Show

1460
01:25:51,420 --> 01:25:53,640
Becomes too successful, then you
begin to lose money on

1461
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:57,150
bandwidth. But I guess if it
sounds like you've set

1462
01:25:57,150 --> 01:25:59,430
everything up very carefully
from the beginning, so that

1463
01:25:59,430 --> 01:26:02,010
that's not as it shouldn't be.

1464
01:26:02,310 --> 01:26:04,680
Dovydas: It shouldn't be
alright. I mean, some companies

1465
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:10,140
you know, they they charge of
depending on how many downloads

1466
01:26:10,140 --> 01:26:13,560
there are. But I really didn't
want to do that, because we know

1467
01:26:13,590 --> 01:26:19,800
how unreliable this is. I don't
want to essentially charge

1468
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:24,750
people for fake downloads, or
for auto downloads that no one

1469
01:26:24,750 --> 01:26:28,890
listens to. So essentially, I
just have a system where it's

1470
01:26:28,890 --> 01:26:32,400
essentially a flat fee per month
and if you upload more episodes,

1471
01:26:32,700 --> 01:26:37,620
there is a more federal fee. And
then we also have essentially

1472
01:26:37,620 --> 01:26:41,670
reduced pricing for short
episodes, which includes songs

1473
01:26:41,700 --> 01:26:46,020
so for example, if a podcaster
comes to you our says blue they

1474
01:26:46,020 --> 01:26:49,800
can essentially, instead of
uploading free, regular

1475
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:53,910
episodes, they can upload nine
songs which are for example,

1476
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:58,560
less than five minutes long,
then they will be out Yeah,

1477
01:26:58,560 --> 01:26:58,770
that's

1478
01:26:58,770 --> 01:27:01,710
Dave Jones: cool. That's a great
idea because music is really not

1479
01:27:01,710 --> 01:27:02,280
big.

1480
01:27:02,340 --> 01:27:05,310
Adam Curry: Have you looked at
the IPFS podcasting stuff Dobby

1481
01:27:05,310 --> 01:27:05,640
does

1482
01:27:07,500 --> 01:27:15,030
Dovydas: I have honestly I don't
yet see what part hosting

1483
01:27:15,030 --> 01:27:21,240
companies have to play here. I
know our says.com is experiment

1484
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:26,400
with that. But I feel at the
moment I need to focus on

1485
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:28,650
features that I want to
implement right now. Some of

1486
01:27:28,650 --> 01:27:32,340
which include things like music
shows and valley time splits

1487
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:35,670
Adam Curry: right on can we take
a little break here and play a

1488
01:27:35,670 --> 01:27:38,820
song for a moment just to I need
I need a drink of water?

1489
01:27:39,330 --> 01:27:40,980
Dave Jones: Did dovie does
choose the song

1490
01:27:41,010 --> 01:27:43,680
Adam Curry: I did not ask him Do
you have a song that you'd like

1491
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:47,100
to play Adobe does Do you have a
value for value music song that

1492
01:27:47,100 --> 01:27:48,030
you can think of offhand I

1493
01:27:48,030 --> 01:27:50,040
Dovydas: think you choose
because they don't have anything

1494
01:27:51,390 --> 01:27:53,460
Adam Curry: I should I'm sorry I
should I should have asked I

1495
01:27:53,460 --> 01:27:57,270
should have asked guests choice
we do always get the wallet for

1496
01:27:57,270 --> 01:28:01,020
the split this is when they
played on booster Graham ball I

1497
01:28:01,020 --> 01:28:03,780
like it a lot is from Mandal bro
and it's called Eyes

1498
01:28:09,210 --> 01:28:12,810
Unknown: staying up all night
you will cue from your slum

1499
01:28:19,590 --> 01:28:19,950
you will

1500
01:28:27,780 --> 01:28:33,480
everything's green built the
machines take away the nature

1501
01:28:33,480 --> 01:28:40,980
gates in a stars by the side of
a motor disease this is the life

1502
01:28:40,980 --> 01:28:41,250
you

1503
01:29:05,670 --> 01:29:06,000
you

1504
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:22,140
know you can't tell us you can't
turn no you can't turn.

1505
01:29:42,390 --> 01:29:49,590
Time went on this just feel so
simple for the meet new people

1506
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:08,190
got the most creative be both go
sweet goes to bring everyone is

1507
01:30:11,970 --> 01:30:12,600
this is

1508
01:30:19,530 --> 01:30:19,860
you

1509
01:30:25,860 --> 01:30:29,100
know you can't turn up you

1510
01:30:35,070 --> 01:30:36,660
know you can't turn away

1511
01:31:36,630 --> 01:31:38,610
Adam Curry: there's something
really powerful about playing a

1512
01:31:38,610 --> 01:31:42,270
song and then hitting a button
and seeing like a Rube Goldberg

1513
01:31:42,270 --> 01:31:45,960
machine seeing it pop up in the
chat room with a link to the

1514
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:53,250
song. Yes. That's an F, of
course. This is, let me see it

1515
01:31:53,250 --> 01:31:59,310
is currently number five on the
podcast index dot top 100, which

1516
01:31:59,310 --> 01:32:02,550
I'd like to talk about briefly.
I think Dave Jones, you have

1517
01:32:02,550 --> 01:32:07,740
created a beautiful, beautiful
thing here. And I'd like to

1518
01:32:08,070 --> 01:32:12,300
explain why. Because this is
this is so perfect. I actually I

1519
01:32:12,300 --> 01:32:16,770
think it was Sam or someone made
a comment. It was I think it was

1520
01:32:16,770 --> 01:32:20,940
on Twitter, like, well, I don't
like this chart. I want the

1521
01:32:20,940 --> 01:32:23,160
chart to be you know, kind of I
want to see the chart and then

1522
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:26,070
next week I want it to be
someone moves up or someone

1523
01:32:26,070 --> 01:32:29,550
moves down. And and the reason
why

1524
01:32:29,700 --> 01:32:31,920
Dave Jones: James was saying he
had a problem with it, our being

1525
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:33,690
hourly, he didn't like that,
right. That's what it

1526
01:32:33,690 --> 01:32:36,660
Adam Curry: was beat well here
this is, this is why I love this

1527
01:32:36,660 --> 01:32:42,360
chart. This chart is not to be
to get a gold star. I've been

1528
01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:46,230
number one for weeks. Now, this
is a discount. This is a

1529
01:32:46,230 --> 01:32:50,790
discovery tool. This tells me on
an hourly basis that something's

1530
01:32:50,790 --> 01:32:55,020
happening in there. Especially
if you roll down past the top

1531
01:32:55,020 --> 01:32:58,650
five, even there's stuff going
on that while someone's playing

1532
01:32:58,650 --> 01:33:03,240
stuff. Stuff is being played out
there. You know, there are songs

1533
01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:07,650
that that I would not be exposed
to, which is why I desperately

1534
01:33:07,650 --> 01:33:11,100
want to be able to click in and
see what podcast played them and

1535
01:33:11,100 --> 01:33:14,640
see that I know I know and see
the booster grams. This is a

1536
01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:19,650
discovery tool the days of being
number one or being the biggest

1537
01:33:19,650 --> 01:33:23,430
or being the top there over to
over no one. It's not what

1538
01:33:23,430 --> 01:33:26,460
matters anymore. It's like Do
you know who the number one

1539
01:33:26,460 --> 01:33:31,410
person is on only fans? No. No,
because because of his tone? Do

1540
01:33:31,410 --> 01:33:36,330
you know no but this because
there's a 10s of 1000s of people

1541
01:33:36,330 --> 01:33:38,640
who are very successful there
and have their own little

1542
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:42,390
audience doing their own thing.
They don't You don't need to be

1543
01:33:42,390 --> 01:33:45,360
number one you need to be number
one with your own community.

1544
01:33:45,420 --> 01:33:48,870
Okay, only fans made it's a
weird example. But people have

1545
01:33:48,870 --> 01:33:51,570
heard the success stories and
everyone can do the math.

1546
01:33:52,140 --> 01:33:55,740
Dave Jones: Let's use a
different word like It's like

1547
01:33:55,740 --> 01:33:59,550
being the number one on YouTube.
There's no

1548
01:33:59,790 --> 01:34:01,650
Adam Curry: number one right
what is the number one on

1549
01:34:01,650 --> 01:34:02,400
YouTubers? Yeah,

1550
01:34:03,450 --> 01:34:05,520
Dave Jones: I can't stand that
guy. I'm never gonna watch a

1551
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:07,980
video of mine. So it does. So
it's irrelevant to me.

1552
01:34:08,010 --> 01:34:10,110
Adam Curry: In fact, I'm gonna
start saying to people value for

1553
01:34:10,110 --> 01:34:13,080
value. It's like oh, it's only
fans for podcasts value for

1554
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:17,370
value music. It's only fans for
music. People understand it

1555
01:34:17,370 --> 01:34:21,870
people get it. People get it.
Oh, okay. So if you have 1000

1556
01:34:21,870 --> 01:34:24,630
people you can get them to pay
$1,000 you're a millionaire?

1557
01:34:24,660 --> 01:34:26,940
Yes. Correct.

1558
01:34:27,660 --> 01:34:31,110
Dave Jones: Dobby does don't say
RSS blue is the only fans don't

1559
01:34:31,110 --> 01:34:31,260
worry.

1560
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:37,380
Dovydas: I won't wish no no no
no. And also disagree I think

1561
01:34:37,440 --> 01:34:41,490
they have something that goes
against V four v which is you

1562
01:34:41,490 --> 01:34:46,110
know premium content so I don't
think that's the for V at all.

1563
01:34:48,420 --> 01:34:51,300
Adam Curry: I don't I don't see
only fans as premium content.

1564
01:34:53,490 --> 01:34:58,530
Dovydas: Oh, I don't know. I I
just guessed that the way they

1565
01:34:58,530 --> 01:35:02,160
do this is they charge some
amount and then you can access

1566
01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:02,790
the content.

1567
01:35:02,820 --> 01:35:06,120
Adam Curry: No, no the way it
works well yes I do. You may

1568
01:35:06,120 --> 01:35:09,060
have to, you may have to pay
something but you kind of pay

1569
01:35:09,060 --> 01:35:13,890
what you want. That's the idea.
That's the idea is you can be

1570
01:35:13,890 --> 01:35:16,530
okay as N E and its interact.
You're right. It's a bad

1571
01:35:16,530 --> 01:35:19,950
example. It's not a good way to
do it. But if someone says

1572
01:35:19,950 --> 01:35:25,050
here's a million Satoshis
mentioned my name, okay. You

1573
01:35:25,050 --> 01:35:25,410
know,

1574
01:35:26,460 --> 01:35:29,010
Dave Jones: Spencer says only
fans you need to subscribe to

1575
01:35:29,010 --> 01:35:31,950
get into so is there Spencer's
or resin? Is the resident

1576
01:35:31,950 --> 01:35:33,300
actually grant? Yes. Yes.

1577
01:35:33,330 --> 01:35:37,230
Adam Curry: So he's reliably
informed. So we so that's a bad

1578
01:35:37,230 --> 01:35:41,850
example. But the idea is, you
have your own community. And I

1579
01:35:41,850 --> 01:35:44,610
was talking with Dvorak about
this no one knows outside of no

1580
01:35:44,610 --> 01:35:48,720
agenda. No one knows no agenda.
People don't walk around like

1581
01:35:48,750 --> 01:35:54,180
Oh, Adam curry, no agenda, a big
podcast. No, no. Adam curry MTV

1582
01:35:54,180 --> 01:35:59,460
Rogan? I don't you have a
podcast? Yeah. Now we have a

1583
01:35:59,460 --> 01:36:04,470
900,000 a million people who
listen on a monthly basis.

1584
01:36:04,650 --> 01:36:09,120
That's enough. That's enough. If
now if they all gave us $1 That

1585
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:12,810
would be fantastic. It doesn't
work that way. But it does it

1586
01:36:12,810 --> 01:36:15,630
but they do other things they
they value for value time,

1587
01:36:15,630 --> 01:36:18,690
talent, treasure, do all kinds
of cool stuff for us that would

1588
01:36:18,690 --> 01:36:21,780
otherwise have cost a lot of
money to have people do it. You

1589
01:36:21,780 --> 01:36:23,310
know, to hire people to do
stuff.

1590
01:36:24,210 --> 01:36:26,310
Dave Jones: Speaking of
supporting us you want to thanks

1591
01:36:26,310 --> 01:36:26,400
for

1592
01:36:26,550 --> 01:36:30,450
Adam Curry: Yes, let me thank a
few people who have pre boosted

1593
01:36:30,450 --> 01:36:35,850
and boosted during the show
blueberries 33,333 But wait a

1594
01:36:35,850 --> 01:36:40,320
minute, Dred Scott just came in
with 30,000 boosting eyes by

1595
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:43,470
Mendel bro and I'm going to
think it yes he did it on curio

1596
01:36:43,470 --> 01:36:49,140
caster actually, did I stop the
homie let me just check that I

1597
01:36:49,620 --> 01:36:54,630
that I take us back to the to
our block. I don't know where am

1598
01:36:54,630 --> 01:37:00,630
I? So we're back to our block.
Okay. Where am I? Sorry, I have

1599
01:37:00,630 --> 01:37:05,730
too many windows open.
Blueberry, that damn these based

1600
01:37:05,730 --> 01:37:08,160
booths always run out of space.
Without further ado, I present

1601
01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:11,820
the 100 and first self hosted
feed to Lm beats the 33rd music

1602
01:37:11,820 --> 01:37:17,460
feed we've uploaded and he has a
URL there which I guess I'll

1603
01:37:17,460 --> 01:37:22,800
have to take a look at his URL
and see what that says sir seat

1604
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:28,290
sitter seat center Okay,
perfect. And 33,333 z's in

1605
01:37:28,290 --> 01:37:31,110
advertising mode from blueberry.
We are now offering a service

1606
01:37:31,110 --> 01:37:34,650
for artists if you have songs
but no website will host it for

1607
01:37:34,650 --> 01:37:42,750
you. 90 per 790 7% Go to the big
guy 3% split between music side

1608
01:37:42,750 --> 01:37:47,460
project boost bought and the BTS
node so we can read boosts out

1609
01:37:47,460 --> 01:37:50,910
live on the air shoot us an
email thunder road@proton.me

1610
01:37:51,270 --> 01:37:54,240
Without further ado I present
that then he presents the 100

1611
01:37:54,240 --> 01:38:00,360
and first feed okay beautiful.
And let me see during the

1612
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:13,950
program. We had striper boost
7777 from Jeff row and see as he

1613
01:38:13,950 --> 01:38:16,650
says love the song my first
boost attempt through pod verse.

1614
01:38:16,650 --> 01:38:19,080
Thank you Dave and Adam for the
weekly diversion of podcasts and

1615
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:21,630
2.0 banter. While I finished my
work week Jethro in North

1616
01:38:21,630 --> 01:38:28,830
Carolina we have tonight Ah
shoot into 33,333 No note, Mr.

1617
01:38:28,830 --> 01:38:33,780
Robot 1669 board room was the
free music love is lit eyes see

1618
01:38:33,780 --> 01:38:40,170
Brooklyn 112 with 200 SATs Eric
p p with 33,333 coming in from

1619
01:38:40,170 --> 01:38:43,950
the boost CLI East Side Tony for
a second there I thought I was

1620
01:38:43,950 --> 01:38:46,170
listening to no agenda go
podcasting and defend the

1621
01:38:46,170 --> 01:38:53,550
network. And 31,948 or 31948 and
Israeli freedom booths from Sir

1622
01:38:53,550 --> 01:38:57,720
Brian of London who was boosting
from Rosarito, Mexico on

1623
01:38:57,720 --> 01:39:01,320
Saturday. He says I'm making
music 2.0 The subject of my talk

1624
01:39:01,320 --> 01:39:04,950
at hive fest to excite and
recruit hive devs to join us

1625
01:39:04,950 --> 01:39:09,000
making tools and cool stuff. And
as we know hive integrates with

1626
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:13,230
value for value through the V
for v dot app. And of course

1627
01:39:14,070 --> 01:39:20,850
123,456 Satoshis from the Bruce
Wayne of podcasting, Dred Scott

1628
01:39:21,180 --> 01:39:25,950
with a whole bunch of drum and
guitar emojis and and there's a

1629
01:39:25,950 --> 01:39:30,630
whole bunch of emojis such
120,001 23456 Thank you so much.

1630
01:39:31,380 --> 01:39:37,140
20 blades on the Impala and
that's it. That's what I have in

1631
01:39:37,140 --> 01:39:40,230
the booths during the show. I'm
sure we have some other ones to

1632
01:39:40,230 --> 01:39:40,950
discuss.

1633
01:39:41,580 --> 01:39:45,210
Dave Jones: I've got a I've got
$500 from Marco arm and his

1634
01:39:45,210 --> 01:39:45,930
whole

1635
01:39:48,900 --> 01:39:52,260
Adam Curry: blade only am Paula
Marco let us help you with your

1636
01:39:52,260 --> 01:39:55,950
live shows. Ma'am. Let us help
you. I see you. I see you saved

1637
01:39:55,950 --> 01:39:59,430
my 18 minutes before live. That
should already be signaling in

1638
01:39:59,430 --> 01:39:59,970
the app.

1639
01:40:00,750 --> 01:40:02,430
Dave Jones: automate it. I'm
going to do it I'm going to

1640
01:40:02,430 --> 01:40:05,130
automate it just just as proof
of concept. Cool.

1641
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:07,590
Adam Curry: Just just just Yes.
Thank you so much.

1642
01:40:08,940 --> 01:40:12,090
Dave Jones: Did you get the
drips got 123456 that says boost

1643
01:40:12,090 --> 01:40:13,410
boost boost go podcasting.

1644
01:40:14,310 --> 01:40:15,330
Adam Curry: No dish.

1645
01:40:15,870 --> 01:40:17,790
Dave Jones: Well, that's another
one that came in at 254

1646
01:40:18,060 --> 01:40:23,040
Adam Curry: Oh my goodness. 20
is blades only Impala did not

1647
01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:26,430
get that one boost boost busco
podcast No, no, no, of course

1648
01:40:26,430 --> 01:40:27,960
not. No dribs an animal

1649
01:40:28,469 --> 01:40:32,999
Dave Jones: drink. Thank you. I
think he has his kids up at

1650
01:40:32,999 --> 01:40:37,139
night. Cindy boost for him so
that he can sleep. That's

1651
01:40:37,139 --> 01:40:38,909
probably what's very possible.

1652
01:40:39,930 --> 01:40:44,460
John's ber t 33 333. Do fountain
he says can't wait for V for V

1653
01:40:44,460 --> 01:40:46,020
audiobooks. Same John.

1654
01:40:46,050 --> 01:40:47,490
Adam Curry: Yeah, definitely.

1655
01:40:47,790 --> 01:40:51,300
Dave Jones: We're gonna make it
happen bro. He also boosted a

1656
01:40:51,300 --> 01:40:56,070
show a piece of music which I
cannot tell. That's the music we

1657
01:40:56,070 --> 01:40:59,790
play a track we played last week
with a bunch of mature rock hand

1658
01:40:59,790 --> 01:41:04,260
emojis. A mere mortals podcast
chyron our buddy 2222 through

1659
01:41:04,260 --> 01:41:09,120
found he says Rick Beto is that
YouTube musicians name another

1660
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:13,230
great combo he had was with Ted
Goya called a warning on the

1661
01:41:13,230 --> 01:41:15,570
future of music Yep, we played
clips

1662
01:41:15,570 --> 01:41:17,730
Adam Curry: Yeah, we did PLAY
CLIP Yes, we did. We did.

1663
01:41:18,480 --> 01:41:20,940
Dave Jones: He understands the
problem deeply just doesn't know

1664
01:41:20,940 --> 01:41:27,570
about the solution yet. Wink.
Mitch D I hope that's Mitch

1665
01:41:27,570 --> 01:41:28,620
Downey because I'm competitive.

1666
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:33,150
Adam Curry: MD we'll just call
them MD from now on MD and MD MD

1667
01:41:35,370 --> 01:41:37,530
Dave Jones: these bubbles that
are sold through pod verse he

1668
01:41:37,530 --> 01:41:40,830
says did the feed I detail V
come through? Yes it did. Thank

1669
01:41:40,830 --> 01:41:41,220
you, Mitch.

1670
01:41:42,090 --> 01:41:44,160
Adam Curry: It's good. He's been
everyone's working on their

1671
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:47,910
feed. TLVs Yeah, nice.

1672
01:41:48,419 --> 01:41:51,449
Dave Jones: Yeah, he's got he's
got another see another two here

1673
01:41:51,449 --> 01:41:54,059
testing to vase Yep. All looking
good, Mitch. Thanks, brother.

1674
01:41:54,719 --> 01:41:58,049
Uh, Jean Everett satchel Richard
1111 through found no note.

1675
01:41:58,079 --> 01:42:03,029
Thank you Jean. Sir Brown of
London. 1948 He says a little

1676
01:42:03,029 --> 01:42:07,709
heavy indeed. He's boosted the
track. See, you got to have

1677
01:42:07,709 --> 01:42:10,349
those. Thank you, Brian.
Appreciate that shrewd word.

1678
01:42:10,829 --> 01:42:13,739
Trick shred word. Yes, shred
words. Send us 1000 SATs to

1679
01:42:13,739 --> 01:42:17,459
podcasts guru. Well said Adam.
There's no middleman and getting

1680
01:42:17,459 --> 01:42:20,219
paid on visa vie music
industrial complex payouts are a

1681
01:42:20,219 --> 01:42:23,699
joke. There's no reason why we
need ASCAP or BMI or anything

1682
01:42:23,699 --> 01:42:25,319
like that in today's digital
age.

1683
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:28,890
Adam Curry: Organization all you
need to do splits splits is all

1684
01:42:28,890 --> 01:42:29,970
you need. All you need

1685
01:42:29,970 --> 01:42:31,020
Dave Jones: is splits.

1686
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:35,040
Adam Curry: Okay, we're gonna
get sued for that.

1687
01:42:35,640 --> 01:42:40,980
Dave Jones: No, we're gonna take
it all for you to Cameron 2222

1688
01:42:40,980 --> 01:42:44,670
Row ducks the podcast index go
to the website. Dave's awesome

1689
01:42:44,670 --> 01:42:49,020
music taste Thank you Cameron.
Appreciate that Jean bein 2222

1690
01:42:49,020 --> 01:42:51,960
through cast ematic he says I
wonder if the company they

1691
01:42:51,960 --> 01:42:55,560
wanted the tracking prefix. The
company that wanted the tracking

1692
01:42:55,560 --> 01:42:59,580
prefix would settle for op three
being added and then being able

1693
01:42:59,580 --> 01:43:02,700
to see the data from it kind of
a middle ground between no

1694
01:43:02,700 --> 01:43:05,190
analytics and their credit and
their creepy stuff.

1695
01:43:07,380 --> 01:43:10,680
Adam Curry: Yeah, I mean, that's
the interesting part about V for

1696
01:43:10,680 --> 01:43:15,900
V. I mean I put all of all of my
shows everything I do I send

1697
01:43:15,900 --> 01:43:22,140
through op three to help send in
some data and my contribution

1698
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:28,020
but I never look at it No, I
look at Can I pay the rent?

1699
01:43:28,050 --> 01:43:30,840
That's literally all I look at
that's that's the value for

1700
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:31,740
value lifestyle.

1701
01:43:33,630 --> 01:43:39,000
Dave Jones: See, Joel Sacha
Richard 1111 through fountain he

1702
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:42,870
says Dave is spot on with the
ancestral ancestral diets. I

1703
01:43:42,870 --> 01:43:49,860
knew I was. Gene being 2222
through cast Matic says there's

1704
01:43:49,860 --> 01:43:55,320
nothing wrong with your audio
Dave. Good to hear. I need

1705
01:43:55,410 --> 01:44:00,180
constant affirmation of my of my
audio sir Shaun of the Allegheny

1706
01:44:00,180 --> 01:44:05,610
Valley, aka Shawn McCune through
cast MATIC 2029 sets. No note

1707
01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:10,230
Thank you Shawn. Joe w 1111
through fountain he says What

1708
01:44:10,230 --> 01:44:14,130
strikes me odd in nostril world
is people cooking themselves

1709
01:44:14,130 --> 01:44:17,070
over Dorsey as if he wasn't
running Twitter when all the

1710
01:44:17,070 --> 01:44:20,010
censoring began. Throw some
money around and I guess we see

1711
01:44:20,010 --> 01:44:23,310
where people's values truly
stand right? That's right. It's

1712
01:44:23,310 --> 01:44:28,650
true. It's your point. Good
point. Sir Spencer 33 333

1713
01:44:28,680 --> 01:44:30,930
through fountain he says thank
you so much, David Adam, this

1714
01:44:30,930 --> 01:44:34,530
was my favorite board meeting to
date for all artists who are

1715
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:38,940
growing tired of the weight Lake
V for V features are easily

1716
01:44:38,940 --> 01:44:42,930
Adam Curry: say weight Lake.
Yes. Okay, that's

1717
01:44:43,860 --> 01:44:45,870
Dave Jones: are easily
accessible to driven and

1718
01:44:45,870 --> 01:44:49,590
talented individuals such as
yourself today. DIY value

1719
01:44:49,590 --> 01:44:52,410
agreements, interactive booster
brands with fan messages and

1720
01:44:52,410 --> 01:44:55,980
more are accessible now. Want to
retain full control of your

1721
01:44:55,980 --> 01:45:00,900
value? Don't wait. Wait has his
don't wait like a day. longer as

1722
01:45:00,900 --> 01:45:04,680
someone in homegrown hits IRC
channel how to homebrew will

1723
01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:08,490
show you the way heart heart
heart. Nice. Thank you so

1724
01:45:08,490 --> 01:45:13,830
Spencer appreciate that buddy.
nega 3521 your pod friend, no

1725
01:45:13,830 --> 01:45:14,130
note.

1726
01:45:14,489 --> 01:45:15,719
Adam Curry: I love how you say
his name

1727
01:45:19,980 --> 01:45:22,170
Dave Jones: and I'm from I'm
from Alabama. I

1728
01:45:22,170 --> 01:45:23,640
Adam Curry: know that's okay.
That's where I

1729
01:45:24,389 --> 01:45:28,769
Dave Jones: landed beavers
there's a lot of there's a lot

1730
01:45:28,769 --> 01:45:30,989
of beaver in Alabama. Robert

1731
01:45:32,010 --> 01:45:33,750
Adam Curry: I'm just gonna leave
that one where it is.

1732
01:45:34,200 --> 01:45:37,890
Dave Jones: I left my
grandmother used to keep I'm

1733
01:45:37,890 --> 01:45:42,360
sorry, no, my grandma and she,
she lives on are live she's

1734
01:45:42,360 --> 01:45:47,250
passed away now she lived on a
lake out in about 30 minutes

1735
01:45:47,250 --> 01:45:53,790
north of Birmingham very deep in
the woods. And she she kept a 22

1736
01:45:54,150 --> 01:45:57,870
just sitting out on the back
porch because there's every

1737
01:45:57,900 --> 01:46:00,510
about once every couple of
months a beaver would try to

1738
01:46:00,510 --> 01:46:09,270
build a dam and clog up the work
so she just she'd go out there

1739
01:46:09,270 --> 01:46:10,950
with a cup of coffee in the
morning see and you

1740
01:46:12,570 --> 01:46:16,500
Adam Curry: can just see you're
doing it too. And then she would

1741
01:46:16,530 --> 01:46:18,540
would you sit in a rocking chair
while she did that?

1742
01:46:19,500 --> 01:46:24,270
Dave Jones: She said in
afterwards and read the Robert

1743
01:46:24,270 --> 01:46:29,940
Suzuki 11843 pod fans Thank you
appreciate it no note lots he

1744
01:46:29,940 --> 01:46:32,820
was he was streaming the show
lots and lots of pod fans come

1745
01:46:32,820 --> 01:46:37,080
through now that's good to see a
lot of pod fans traffic be even

1746
01:46:37,080 --> 01:46:44,610
our 1234 this is V for V Thank
you even our source de Sena 1701

1747
01:46:44,610 --> 01:46:47,280
A Star Trek boosters David
sounds a lot better this episode

1748
01:46:47,310 --> 01:46:50,730
I guess he's talking about my
audio Thank you source and

1749
01:46:51,300 --> 01:46:54,540
Adam Curry: I gotta say we all
sound great Dolby Das is using

1750
01:46:54,990 --> 01:46:59,280
man those road guys they make
good products you're using what

1751
01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:00,780
are you using Dolby does

1752
01:47:02,310 --> 01:47:04,440
Dovydas: it's called Road NT USB

1753
01:47:04,980 --> 01:47:06,720
Adam Curry: is a great great
sound

1754
01:47:08,280 --> 01:47:10,770
Dave Jones: yeah you don't have
any interface or anything it's

1755
01:47:10,770 --> 01:47:13,140
just straight out of the mic
into the into the computer.

1756
01:47:13,770 --> 01:47:17,310
Dovydas: Exactly just a USB
ports to my think that that's

1757
01:47:17,310 --> 01:47:18,930
all that's perfect.

1758
01:47:19,860 --> 01:47:23,070
Dave Jones: Bad career advice.
Chad a big satchel Richards one

1759
01:47:23,070 --> 01:47:29,190
way showing off 11111 through
fountain says Dave eff walking

1760
01:47:29,190 --> 01:47:33,060
back the Gnostic gonorrhea
wishes on the Bitcoin Bros. The

1761
01:47:33,060 --> 01:47:36,120
Bitcoin bros are ripping lines
of coke off each other.

1762
01:47:37,170 --> 01:47:39,240
Adam Curry: Wait, didn't we
already do that one? I have a

1763
01:47:39,240 --> 01:47:41,880
feeling we did that one. Did we
do that last week? I have a

1764
01:47:41,880 --> 01:47:47,100
feeling it sounds familiar.
Don't do things just don't

1765
01:47:47,100 --> 01:47:47,760
forget.

1766
01:47:50,850 --> 01:47:55,590
Dave Jones: See? Okay. The
Bitcoin bros rip in lines of

1767
01:47:55,590 --> 01:47:58,320
coke off each other's butt
cheeks while y'all Christianity

1768
01:47:58,320 --> 01:48:02,070
turned the other cheek. i On
behalf of Dave Annette and an

1769
01:48:02,070 --> 01:48:06,000
apprehensive Adam wish Wardy
gonorrhoeae filled boils on the

1770
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:09,120
Bitcoin bros noses so they are
reminded on every rip of their

1771
01:48:09,120 --> 01:48:12,420
cheap coke that they are being
carried on the shoulders of

1772
01:48:12,420 --> 01:48:17,400
Lightning Network giants the
sage and the puff hot spicy

1773
01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:21,360
podsafe is my favorite this the
spicy passage goes back in the

1774
01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:25,710
box for a while and this is not
this this it makes me it makes

1775
01:48:25,710 --> 01:48:26,700
me unhappy

1776
01:48:26,730 --> 01:48:29,760
Adam Curry: it's okay we all you
know I I feel that you went from

1777
01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:34,110
spicy pod this pod sage I feel
that by by the end of the last

1778
01:48:34,110 --> 01:48:36,450
episode you were much more
lavender like

1779
01:48:37,110 --> 01:48:40,950
Dave Jones: live into it just
don't put it in my coffee.

1780
01:48:41,790 --> 01:48:47,280
Anonymous 5000 SATs through pod
verse V for V works. In the 60s.

1781
01:48:47,430 --> 01:48:50,430
My wife's aunt had some success
with a burger joint based on V

1782
01:48:50,430 --> 01:48:55,050
for V until arguments with local
government related with local

1783
01:48:55,050 --> 01:48:58,440
gov related to Virginia's newly
adopted state sales tax made her

1784
01:48:58,440 --> 01:49:02,250
decide it wasn't worth the
hassle. You can even sell

1785
01:49:02,250 --> 01:49:07,530
burgers the for V evidently no
anonymous 5000 says HIPAA

1786
01:49:07,530 --> 01:49:11,730
adverse my impression of nostre
fans. I did not intend to ignite

1787
01:49:11,730 --> 01:49:12,810
nostra hatred.

1788
01:49:15,030 --> 01:49:17,850
Adam Curry: Well, I know you
didn't intend but as you

1789
01:49:17,850 --> 01:49:22,860
understand what happened was not
your finest moment.

1790
01:49:22,860 --> 01:49:28,500
Dave Jones: Maybe I did intend
to. Not entirely 5000 says he

1791
01:49:28,500 --> 01:49:30,750
says my impression of nostre
fans is that they're done with

1792
01:49:30,750 --> 01:49:33,960
the pragmatism and want to build
something completely censorship

1793
01:49:33,960 --> 01:49:37,350
resistant even if it takes
another decade before it works

1794
01:49:37,350 --> 01:49:40,050
reliably enough for grandma. Not
sure I understand their

1795
01:49:40,050 --> 01:49:42,960
preference for BTC of a privacy
coin and sure don't understand

1796
01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:45,660
how putting one's faith in 10
Mysterious relays is better than

1797
01:49:45,660 --> 01:49:50,580
copy paste at 10 centralized
platforms. Yeah, good point.

1798
01:49:50,790 --> 01:49:56,400
Yep. See what we got here. Oh,
no.

1799
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:58,110
Adam Curry: You know what? I was
gonna just say something about

1800
01:49:58,110 --> 01:50:03,060
nostre Sure. I realize nostre
has the same problem OPML house?

1801
01:50:05,790 --> 01:50:12,480
Oh, well OPML the true outline
processor Markup Language is

1802
01:50:12,480 --> 01:50:18,660
such, I love it, it is so
powerful. I use it in my daily

1803
01:50:18,660 --> 01:50:23,790
life all the time I use all the
features, like Node includes and

1804
01:50:23,820 --> 01:50:28,140
this, there's so much that can
be done. But because of early

1805
01:50:28,170 --> 01:50:34,170
RSS subscription lists, that's
all they're used for. In the

1806
01:50:34,170 --> 01:50:37,860
world, in the in the in the wide
world of computing, because

1807
01:50:37,860 --> 01:50:42,180
really, a lot of the stuff we're
talking about OPML is is a

1808
01:50:42,180 --> 01:50:46,200
beautiful solution to that. And
we even had, what do we have we

1809
01:50:46,230 --> 01:50:51,060
did we have an OPML? S OPML? We
had, we had a lot of different

1810
01:50:51,060 --> 01:50:51,360
things.

1811
01:50:51,720 --> 01:50:55,200
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. We did the
namespace for the Opium

1812
01:50:55,380 --> 01:50:57,360
Adam Curry: War, when I was
thinking about this Russell

1813
01:50:57,360 --> 01:51:02,340
Brand stuff. I'm like, you know,
really, you know, we need to

1814
01:51:02,340 --> 01:51:07,380
move away from these, I mean,
the idea of platforms like acts

1815
01:51:07,380 --> 01:51:12,750
and threads, even to a degree
Macedon, we just need to go back

1816
01:51:12,750 --> 01:51:19,050
to an app that creates a feed,
and that aggregates feeds. And

1817
01:51:19,080 --> 01:51:24,090
that's how you publish. And
that's how you subscribe. And

1818
01:51:24,120 --> 01:51:27,960
you get them from people's, you
know, from their servers, or

1819
01:51:27,960 --> 01:51:31,950
maybe do it from some kind of
space out there hash space, or

1820
01:51:31,950 --> 01:51:35,820
IPFS. Or, you know, that is the
ultimately that's the only

1821
01:51:35,820 --> 01:51:40,800
solution. And in that, in that
scenario, we were way ahead of

1822
01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:48,030
the game 10 years ago. OPML is a
great solution. So what OPML is

1823
01:51:48,030 --> 01:51:54,180
to RSS Noster, is to social
networking. nostra of course is

1824
01:51:54,180 --> 01:51:59,070
much more powerful as identity
and now that you can carry

1825
01:51:59,070 --> 01:52:02,070
around but it will forever be
buried under the social

1826
01:52:02,070 --> 01:52:06,540
networking, just like OPML will
forever be a way to you know,

1827
01:52:06,540 --> 01:52:10,620
export and import RSS feeds,
specifically podcast feeds to be

1828
01:52:10,620 --> 01:52:12,660
honest about it as too bad one,

1829
01:52:12,990 --> 01:52:15,420
Dave Jones: one day when we
finish fixing podcasting will

1830
01:52:15,420 --> 01:52:17,880
return to freedom controller.
Okay, yeah,

1831
01:52:17,910 --> 01:52:20,760
Adam Curry: you gotta you gotta
do you got to do. I'm excited

1832
01:52:20,760 --> 01:52:21,150
about it.

1833
01:52:22,770 --> 01:52:28,230
Dovydas: Can I say something?
Yes, yes. I mean, it's such a

1834
01:52:28,230 --> 01:52:34,350
huge problem, this whole idea of
essentially aggregating content

1835
01:52:34,890 --> 01:52:39,180
in an open way. I mean, we
already had it with blogs, we

1836
01:52:39,180 --> 01:52:46,620
even had it with Twitter, which
had RSS feeds. And I feel we are

1837
01:52:46,650 --> 01:52:50,010
against such a powerful force,
all of these social media

1838
01:52:50,010 --> 01:52:55,200
companies, they have no
incentive to share the content

1839
01:52:55,230 --> 01:53:00,330
that people post on their
platforms, in an open way. So

1840
01:53:00,510 --> 01:53:05,340
there really has to be some
innovative idea that essentially

1841
01:53:05,340 --> 01:53:10,260
offers a better experience than
what they currently do. Because

1842
01:53:10,260 --> 01:53:14,190
without that, I feel it's very,
very difficult for to convince

1843
01:53:14,190 --> 01:53:18,840
people to, you know, use RSS
readers and go back to the old

1844
01:53:18,840 --> 01:53:19,350
days.

1845
01:53:19,860 --> 01:53:22,260
Adam Curry: Well, isn't that
exactly what we're doing with

1846
01:53:22,410 --> 01:53:26,340
podcasts now, though? I mean,
yes, we have some centralized

1847
01:53:26,340 --> 01:53:31,320
systems. And we have, you know,
podcasts index is doing a lot of

1848
01:53:31,320 --> 01:53:36,660
the heavy lifting aggregation so
the clients can stay light. But

1849
01:53:36,870 --> 01:53:40,170
in general, you know, you could
do this for blogs.

1850
01:53:42,990 --> 01:53:46,770
Dovydas: You could do that. But
I guess, podcasting had the

1851
01:53:46,770 --> 01:53:50,790
disadvantage that from the very
beginning, the idea of a podcast

1852
01:53:50,790 --> 01:53:56,340
was that it's an RSS feed, you
know, if writing articles, etc.

1853
01:53:56,400 --> 01:54:01,230
They come in many, many forms.
It started at zero, I guess what

1854
01:54:01,230 --> 01:54:05,100
you could say is that blogging,
started HTML, and then adopted

1855
01:54:05,100 --> 01:54:09,360
RSS later, whereas podcasting is
RSS native from its birth.

1856
01:54:10,170 --> 01:54:14,820
Adam Curry: Exactly. Fair
enough. But blog, blogs, look,

1857
01:54:14,850 --> 01:54:19,560
Google Reader was a thing. My
wife had Google Reader, my wife

1858
01:54:19,590 --> 01:54:23,160
love Google Reader. She loves
subscribing to blogs, and then

1859
01:54:23,550 --> 01:54:26,670
then Google killed it. Because
we allowed it to be centralized

1860
01:54:26,670 --> 01:54:34,440
by the Satan. By the way, I
gotta I don't know why associate

1861
01:54:34,440 --> 01:54:36,750
Todd was Satan. But I just want
to give him a shout out for

1862
01:54:36,750 --> 01:54:40,740
podcast. mirror.com I love what
he's doing there. Great idea.

1863
01:54:41,460 --> 01:54:44,640
Dave Jones: Yeah. Yeah, that's
that's a great that the inner

1864
01:54:44,640 --> 01:54:49,020
beat. People have asked us to do
this 100 times. And we've always

1865
01:54:49,020 --> 01:54:52,350
said no, because we're not
touching. We're not we're not

1866
01:54:52,350 --> 01:54:54,600
going to touch. We're not going
to make an app and we're not

1867
01:54:54,600 --> 01:54:56,970
going to be a podcast host.
That's just not that's not

1868
01:54:56,970 --> 01:55:00,240
anything we do. And we're never
going to do that. So that Like

1869
01:55:00,270 --> 01:55:04,440
this was, this was a exactly
filling a thing that people have

1870
01:55:04,440 --> 01:55:05,310
always wanted

1871
01:55:06,540 --> 01:55:10,200
Adam Curry: this. Can you map a
domain name to it, though? Is

1872
01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:11,250
that part of his?

1873
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:14,370
Dave Jones: I mean that Todd
touched it let us know. I don't

1874
01:55:14,370 --> 01:55:14,550
know,

1875
01:55:14,580 --> 01:55:16,470
Adam Curry: that would be that
would be the ultimate I mean,

1876
01:55:16,500 --> 01:55:19,290
you know, so that. So I don't
have to be podcast

1877
01:55:19,290 --> 01:55:22,890
mirror.com/adam or whatever, you
know, it could be. I could map

1878
01:55:22,890 --> 01:55:25,680
my domain name to it. In fact,
you should be selling domain

1879
01:55:25,680 --> 01:55:26,820
where's the GoDaddy link?

1880
01:55:27,360 --> 01:55:29,280
Dave Jones: It's got to be a
CNAME a CNAME would do that.

1881
01:55:29,370 --> 01:55:30,990
Adam Curry: I would. I would
hope so. Yeah, of

1882
01:55:30,990 --> 01:55:34,470
Dave Jones: course it hopes
Yeah, it's good. Yeah. Yeah.

1883
01:55:35,190 --> 01:55:39,240
Tone Ricker, one a one on one to
fountain he says brainstorm. Now

1884
01:55:39,240 --> 01:55:41,730
that chapters allow listener to
navigate playback in many

1885
01:55:41,730 --> 01:55:44,670
podcasts and 2.0 apps is anyone
created a choose your own

1886
01:55:44,670 --> 01:55:47,580
adventure style show? Where the
host Narrator prompts audience

1887
01:55:47,580 --> 01:55:50,040
to make a decision at various
points and the listener proceeds

1888
01:55:50,040 --> 01:55:53,070
to the specific chapter to
continue. Just a thought this

1889
01:55:53,070 --> 01:55:57,660
morning to share with the group.
That's a neat idea. That's a

1890
01:55:57,660 --> 01:55:59,070
pretty neat idea. I like it.

1891
01:56:00,570 --> 01:56:02,640
Adam Curry: I don't understand
that yet. What is he saying? Oh,

1892
01:56:02,640 --> 01:56:04,080
you don't know say it again?

1893
01:56:04,110 --> 01:56:06,900
Dave Jones: No, he's he's saying
like layout a choose your own

1894
01:56:06,900 --> 01:56:14,250
adventure. Style podcast. So
like episode where you can like

1895
01:56:14,250 --> 01:56:17,970
depending on is a you know, you
the the character the main

1896
01:56:17,970 --> 01:56:21,120
character gets to this decision
point. Do you choose this or do

1897
01:56:21,120 --> 01:56:23,940
you choose that? And then you
click on the chapter? No, and it

1898
01:56:23,940 --> 01:56:26,910
would take it would jump
somewhere else? Yeah, no jumping

1899
01:56:26,910 --> 01:56:30,540
to the D appropriate audio. Sort
of like a text adventure game,

1900
01:56:30,540 --> 01:56:34,470
but in audio for interest. It's
pretty neat. I like it.

1901
01:56:34,710 --> 01:56:39,540
Adam Curry: Hey, Kim, can we do
a web app with a with a web app

1902
01:56:39,540 --> 01:56:43,500
that creates feeds in aggregates
feeds? I'm just not. Now I'm

1903
01:56:43,500 --> 01:56:46,200
thinking we got to fix blogs to
just like, let's fix social

1904
01:56:46,200 --> 01:56:46,830
networking.

1905
01:56:47,700 --> 01:56:50,160
Dave Jones: Yeah, come back.
Come back.

1906
01:56:51,210 --> 01:56:53,040
Adam Curry: I'm here. I'm here
again. Yes, I'm here again.

1907
01:56:53,820 --> 01:56:56,130
Dave Jones: Todd Cochran? Hunter
75,000.

1908
01:56:56,250 --> 01:57:01,830
Adam Curry: Whoa, what's going
on? Todd Cochran. Nice.

1909
01:57:02,460 --> 01:57:05,370
Dave Jones: Adam. Dave, we need
to start calling podcast

1910
01:57:05,370 --> 01:57:07,800
platforms that don't have any
podcasts and 2.0 implantation

1911
01:57:07,800 --> 01:57:12,510
implementations non compliant
and non certified aka PSP.

1912
01:57:12,900 --> 01:57:15,840
Obviously, we're excited to
bring podcasting 2.0 to those

1913
01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:18,540
podcasters on those non
compliant hosting sites via

1914
01:57:18,540 --> 01:57:22,290
podcast mirror. As we talked, as
we talked, we're all in more

1915
01:57:22,290 --> 01:57:25,590
coming soon from the blueberry
team. got excited to also

1916
01:57:25,590 --> 01:57:29,070
announce that blueberry
podcasters have earned $10,000

1917
01:57:29,070 --> 01:57:31,470
collectively since we
implemented reefer V.

1918
01:57:32,580 --> 01:57:36,930
Adam Curry: Okay, questions.
One? Why I know it's a question

1919
01:57:36,930 --> 01:57:46,860
for Todd. Why is it? Why is it
difficult for him to do item

1920
01:57:46,860 --> 01:57:51,840
level? Podcast mirroring? Just
from a technique? It's obviously

1921
01:57:51,840 --> 01:57:53,610
technical, but do you understand
why

1922
01:57:55,110 --> 01:57:57,870
Dave Jones: Yeah, I think it's
because the stuff in the the

1923
01:57:57,870 --> 01:58:02,700
items change whereas the channel
does really doesn't much so you

1924
01:58:02,700 --> 01:58:07,440
would have to go and you would
have so you'd have to wait you

1925
01:58:07,440 --> 01:58:10,620
publish your episode, then you'd
have to wait for podcasts

1926
01:58:10,620 --> 01:58:15,480
mirrored to reflect the change
then go over and edit a separate

1927
01:58:16,440 --> 01:58:21,570
set of things. Whereas with with
just fee level stuff,

1928
01:58:21,660 --> 01:58:24,990
Adam Curry: Oh, of course
because you don't. Yeah, you

1929
01:58:24,990 --> 01:58:28,380
don't have the item stuff to
actually send it's not it's not

1930
01:58:28,380 --> 01:58:31,050
in your original da Okay, got
it. Yeah.

1931
01:58:33,660 --> 01:58:38,430
Dave Jones: Yeah, I see. I see.
So the you were exactly right.

1932
01:58:38,430 --> 01:58:42,060
Last week when you predicted
based on Todd's level of

1933
01:58:42,270 --> 01:58:44,340
grumpiness that he was about to
ship something.

1934
01:58:45,720 --> 01:58:51,750
Adam Curry: When Todd gets
grumpy ship is happening. This

1935
01:58:51,750 --> 01:58:52,140
good

1936
01:58:52,770 --> 01:58:55,950
Dave Jones: comic strip blogger
30 3015 delimiter. He says

1937
01:58:56,160 --> 01:59:02,430
through family says always he
says he Bitcoin lovers, Dave and

1938
01:59:02,430 --> 01:59:05,760
Adam. Could you kindly ask your
listeners to visit my blog at

1939
01:59:05,760 --> 01:59:10,320
www dot CSB dot lol for my
cartoons that do not feature

1940
01:59:10,320 --> 01:59:13,950
baboons. If they have cartoon
ideas for me to draw, they can

1941
01:59:13,950 --> 01:59:17,880
tweet them to my Twitter handle
at CSB. Please note that the

1942
01:59:17,880 --> 01:59:23,700
handle is just three letters C S
and B yo CSB.

1943
01:59:23,730 --> 01:59:26,940
Adam Curry: Joe Thank you CSB.
GSB man

1944
01:59:28,290 --> 01:59:33,420
Dave Jones: always around gets
monthlies here we got Trevor

1945
01:59:33,420 --> 01:59:37,860
zener $5 Trevor I changed your
feed URL for you buddy. Paul air

1946
01:59:37,860 --> 01:59:44,670
skin $11.14. Michael Gagan $5
Charles current $5 Christopher

1947
01:59:44,670 --> 01:59:49,380
Raymer $10 James Sullivan $10
Sean McCune the Allegheny Valley

1948
01:59:49,380 --> 01:59:52,830
$20 and Cohen glotzbach $5.
Thank you. And thank

1949
01:59:52,830 --> 01:59:55,110
Adam Curry: you, Dred Scott, I
see you over there on tally

1950
01:59:55,110 --> 02:00:00,990
coin. Phil is 56,396 He says
tallyho you Just just you know,

1951
02:00:01,440 --> 02:00:05,520
he is so badass Dred Scott, he
just he just sent stuff through

1952
02:00:05,610 --> 02:00:09,480
through tally coin just to see
if we're checking it. Just to

1953
02:00:09,480 --> 02:00:13,050
make sure we're still awake.
Thank you very much everyone for

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these value for value. For the
value for value support, it

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truly is awesome that you're
doing that. It keeps the podcast

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02:00:21,420 --> 02:00:24,750
going, what the podcast is
really just the the weekly board

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02:00:24,750 --> 02:00:28,920
meeting of the entire project
you are supporting us for all of

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02:00:28,920 --> 02:00:32,730
the systems you're supporting.
Even if we got an upgrade to

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02:00:32,730 --> 02:00:35,310
the, to the mastodon, you see
that?

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02:00:35,850 --> 02:00:38,310
Dave Jones: I did it took me off
guard, it kind of threw it

1961
02:00:38,310 --> 02:00:38,940
probably really

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02:00:39,360 --> 02:00:42,000
Adam Curry: close and it posts
faster. Now, I'm not sure what,

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02:00:42,750 --> 02:00:46,770
what Masto hosted, could we use
master host, we upgraded a

1964
02:00:46,770 --> 02:00:51,300
couple times to be able to
support search and, and just the

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02:00:51,300 --> 02:00:56,640
amount of bandwidth and storage
that will use all of that all of

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02:00:56,640 --> 02:01:00,840
that and a couple of years of
runway in case Dave and Adam

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02:01:00,840 --> 02:01:04,830
fall down and decide that, you
know, we're dead. So it will

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02:01:04,830 --> 02:01:09,000
continue to run. We decided that
we're doing we just decided that

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02:01:09,000 --> 02:01:12,600
we're dead. So now we keep a
nice margin in there. And it's

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all very much appreciated,
especially people like Marco as

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02:01:15,870 --> 02:01:19,830
well. Thank you all. We really
appreciate it that go to

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02:01:19,830 --> 02:01:23,040
podcast. index.org. At the
bottom of that page, you'll find

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02:01:23,100 --> 02:01:27,930
two red buttons one for your
pay, pal. That's for your for

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02:01:27,930 --> 02:01:31,740
your Fiat fun coupons. Exit
decision. Is that what sort of

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02:01:33,180 --> 02:01:34,020
Dave Jones: exit strategy?

1976
02:01:37,380 --> 02:01:40,080
Adam Curry: And there's also the
tally coin link there. But of

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02:01:40,080 --> 02:01:43,200
course we'd like you to go to
podcast apps.com Grab your

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02:01:44,010 --> 02:01:50,280
Marcus Marcus is as HTTPS
working because Marcus owns

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02:01:50,280 --> 02:01:54,930
podcast. apps.com He bought that
and he's 42 I don't seem some

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02:01:54,930 --> 02:01:59,190
people seem to have problem with
the with the secure HTTPS.

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02:01:59,460 --> 02:02:02,580
Either that or new podcast
app.com Or if you wish, nude

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02:02:02,610 --> 02:02:06,450
podcast apps.com They all work
so function and grab one of

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02:02:06,450 --> 02:02:09,630
those apps and boost us boost us
and let us know when you're

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02:02:09,630 --> 02:02:12,150
boosting you help everybody the
whole ecosystem. That's what we

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02:02:12,150 --> 02:02:16,110
love the most. Pitches good. It
feel it boosting, boosting is

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02:02:16,110 --> 02:02:19,200
loving. But it's the bottom line
boosting is loving how you

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02:02:19,200 --> 02:02:21,300
Dave Jones: missed my cue I
queued you up for Nisa.

1988
02:02:21,990 --> 02:02:25,650
Adam Curry: Oh, I'm sorry. It
feels good. I was I was gonna

1989
02:02:25,650 --> 02:02:31,050
play it at the end of the show.
WDS. Ma'am. Anything else we can

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02:02:31,050 --> 02:02:33,870
do for you? Is there anything
that we can support you with in

1991
02:02:33,870 --> 02:02:38,220
your in your your side hustle,
hopefully one day to be exit

1992
02:02:38,220 --> 02:02:38,820
decision?

1993
02:02:40,950 --> 02:02:45,000
Dovydas: Well, one of the things
I probably want to do is

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02:02:45,000 --> 02:02:49,140
probably chat to you, Adam.
Because you have been leading

1995
02:02:49,140 --> 02:02:51,930
this effort of doing music
shows. So I really want to talk

1996
02:02:51,930 --> 02:02:57,900
to people who are already doing
it, trying to understand what is

1997
02:02:57,900 --> 02:03:03,180
the workflow? And what can the
hosting publishing companies do

1998
02:03:03,600 --> 02:03:06,390
to essentially make this as
smooth as possible.

1999
02:03:06,450 --> 02:03:10,320
Adam Curry: How about this? How
about this for an idea? Because

2000
02:03:10,320 --> 02:03:12,690
people have been asking me to do
this for no agenda, but I was

2001
02:03:12,690 --> 02:03:15,660
thinking of doing it for booster
Graham ball first, why don't I

2002
02:03:15,660 --> 02:03:21,000
do a screencast of the show. So
you can and then I'll do it with

2003
02:03:21,000 --> 02:03:25,320
some of the prep time. So you
can see the whole workflow. And

2004
02:03:25,350 --> 02:03:29,010
I'll put that out on no agenda
too. But you can take a look at

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02:03:29,010 --> 02:03:31,740
it. And that will really give
you an idea of you know, because

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02:03:31,770 --> 02:03:35,430
it's there's a combination of
things that happens, but the

2007
02:03:35,430 --> 02:03:40,200
workflow is really a lot of
split kit for the preparation

2008
02:03:40,200 --> 02:03:43,830
and then for for the live play
out. And would that be helpful?

2009
02:03:44,880 --> 02:03:47,400
Dovydas: Oh yeah, that's
perfect. Okay. Oh, I mean, yes,

2010
02:03:47,430 --> 02:03:50,520
the live aspect of the whole
thing probably adds more

2011
02:03:50,520 --> 02:03:55,500
complication. So my first step
is going to be just doing a

2012
02:03:55,500 --> 02:04:01,800
regular show with our while
switching and live shows is

2013
02:04:01,800 --> 02:04:03,720
going to be more in the future.
Have you

2014
02:04:03,720 --> 02:04:05,430
Adam Curry: looked at split kit
at all? Have you have you

2015
02:04:05,430 --> 02:04:11,550
checked that out? I had Yes.
Because what split kit does is

2016
02:04:11,610 --> 02:04:15,480
forget the live stuff but the
the important The important part

2017
02:04:16,050 --> 02:04:20,760
is I mean it's it's really
phenomenal. So first okay, I

2018
02:04:20,760 --> 02:04:25,890
already know the 15 songs I'm
going to play and so the first

2019
02:04:26,100 --> 02:04:29,910
hurdle but you know I get around
it is I find them you know

2020
02:04:29,940 --> 02:04:32,790
they're all over the place but I
find them through LM beads I

2021
02:04:32,790 --> 02:04:35,520
find them through wave lake I
fly you know just people send me

2022
02:04:35,520 --> 02:04:39,630
stuff. I go and I search for all
of those podcasts index.org

2023
02:04:39,630 --> 02:04:43,230
under the music tab. Then I get
the song I click the download

2024
02:04:43,230 --> 02:04:47,340
link. So then the the mp3
downloads I name it and then I

2025
02:04:47,340 --> 02:04:50,850
save it in the folder so that's
that's already a process that I

2026
02:04:51,120 --> 02:04:57,030
should be easier than I want.
I'm gonna do the show. The way I

2027
02:04:57,030 --> 02:05:00,120
do it and sometimes I do stuff
on the fly but I basically I

2028
02:05:00,690 --> 02:05:04,410
come up with my list. Like, you
know, I'm gonna play this song

2029
02:05:04,410 --> 02:05:07,320
first and this on this on this
song, because I go into split

2030
02:05:07,320 --> 02:05:11,280
kids split could make makes it
very easy to just search for

2031
02:05:11,280 --> 02:05:13,500
those songs. What they don't
make is split kids should make

2032
02:05:13,500 --> 02:05:16,680
it easy for me just to download
the song right there. But that

2033
02:05:16,710 --> 02:05:20,190
so I should be able to do
everything in Split kit. I

2034
02:05:20,190 --> 02:05:23,100
searched for the song, I click
in, I add it, boom, it's added.

2035
02:05:23,340 --> 02:05:28,800
So then as I'm, as I'm doing the
show, the minute I play the next

2036
02:05:28,800 --> 02:05:32,310
song, I go over to split kit, I
hit the button, which then sets

2037
02:05:32,310 --> 02:05:36,210
a timestamp like, Okay, you
started playing the song, this

2038
02:05:36,210 --> 02:05:39,960
time, the song is this long, so
it knows when it will end and

2039
02:05:39,960 --> 02:05:42,840
then it goes back to my value
block. So that's, that's really

2040
02:05:42,840 --> 02:05:46,680
the workflow then when I'm done,
then I go back, I look at my

2041
02:05:46,680 --> 02:05:50,820
file, and I say, okay, the firt
the second song started at three

2042
02:05:50,820 --> 02:05:54,000
minutes and 45 seconds according
to split kit. But of course it

2043
02:05:54,000 --> 02:05:56,370
was later because I already
started the song. So we'll go

2044
02:05:56,370 --> 02:06:01,770
and adjust that time. That
really only takes about 15

2045
02:06:01,770 --> 02:06:05,430
minutes, it takes much less time
than you think it does. But just

2046
02:06:05,430 --> 02:06:09,720
to get it exactly right, so So
the value of time split starts

2047
02:06:09,720 --> 02:06:13,050
at the right moment. Now here's
the beauty. This is the beauty

2048
02:06:13,050 --> 02:06:15,930
that I think people should
consider using split kits

2049
02:06:15,930 --> 02:06:21,360
capability. Because I then go to
sovereign feeds. And I just

2050
02:06:21,600 --> 02:06:24,840
import all that information from
the split kit split kit has a

2051
02:06:24,840 --> 02:06:28,050
number of export options. One is
into sovereign feeds, which I

2052
02:06:28,050 --> 02:06:32,040
use to create my feed. And I
just paste the URL, and it loads

2053
02:06:32,040 --> 02:06:36,810
all of those value times split
blocks. In addition, right, it

2054
02:06:36,810 --> 02:06:42,810
also has a show notes. And I hit
that. And it gives me the list

2055
02:06:42,810 --> 02:06:45,510
of all the songs, I can just
copy paste that right into my

2056
02:06:45,510 --> 02:06:49,050
show notes. And it outputs a
chapter file, which is the

2057
02:06:49,050 --> 02:06:57,420
biggest beauty. So now I just
have a JSON chapter file that is

2058
02:06:57,420 --> 02:07:00,450
good to go the minute I publish,
and it has all the start time.

2059
02:07:00,450 --> 02:07:03,960
So everything fires beautifully
all at the same time. So the

2060
02:07:03,960 --> 02:07:07,140
question is, do you want to
recreate the split kid

2061
02:07:07,140 --> 02:07:11,340
functionality in your own
interface? Which I can

2062
02:07:11,340 --> 02:07:14,010
understand why people would want
to do that? Or do you want to

2063
02:07:14,010 --> 02:07:17,550
just take the import from split
test and send your users to

2064
02:07:17,550 --> 02:07:21,030
split kit that that would be up
to you. But that's split without

2065
02:07:21,030 --> 02:07:24,540
split kid, I would not be doing
the show there wouldn't be would

2066
02:07:24,540 --> 02:07:27,810
be too complicated for me to to
hand code it and get all that

2067
02:07:27,810 --> 02:07:28,380
stuff done.

2068
02:07:30,510 --> 02:07:35,640
Dovydas: Right? Yes. I mean, the
main challenge here is to

2069
02:07:35,640 --> 02:07:40,440
actually unify all of the
podcasting 2.0 aspects. So one

2070
02:07:40,440 --> 02:07:45,390
of them is a valid time splits.
One other thing is chapters that

2071
02:07:45,390 --> 02:07:49,530
you mentioned. And if there's
one interface that essentially

2072
02:07:49,530 --> 02:07:54,510
does that merges things in a
smart way so that people just

2073
02:07:54,510 --> 02:07:57,750
coming into this new concept,
understand it understand it

2074
02:07:58,410 --> 02:08:01,950
intuitively, I think that's the
perfect scenario.

2075
02:08:02,429 --> 02:08:04,409
Adam Curry: It because basically
now there's a whole bunch of

2076
02:08:04,409 --> 02:08:10,199
steps. So basically, it might in
an ideal world I would go in I'd

2077
02:08:10,199 --> 02:08:13,349
say here's the songs I want to
play, they be kind of like in a

2078
02:08:13,349 --> 02:08:16,619
bin sitting there and then okay,
I'm gonna play this song I click

2079
02:08:16,619 --> 02:08:21,149
that song, it automatically sets
the start time because I play it

2080
02:08:21,419 --> 02:08:25,769
next song I click it same thing
then when I'm done I click a box

2081
02:08:25,799 --> 02:08:29,099
and then it spits out chapter
spits out show no everything is

2082
02:08:29,099 --> 02:08:31,619
all in place I don't even have
to copy paste it it just all

2083
02:08:31,619 --> 02:08:37,889
goes in. That would be the ideal
way. And for extra points have

2084
02:08:37,889 --> 02:08:41,159
it integrate with my playout
system so that it downloads the

2085
02:08:41,159 --> 02:08:45,359
mp3 and then when I start the
mp3 automatically hits the start

2086
02:08:45,359 --> 02:08:47,339
time and there's all kinds of
stuff that I could imagine that

2087
02:08:47,339 --> 02:08:50,999
would make it easier for me
personally. But I think most

2088
02:08:50,999 --> 02:08:56,909
people are probably you know I
can envision a little mixer in

2089
02:08:56,909 --> 02:09:00,599
an interface so you don't even
download songs you play him I

2090
02:09:00,599 --> 02:09:04,259
prefer to use my system but so
you just have a little mixer you

2091
02:09:04,259 --> 02:09:08,249
know song one song two now it's
that simple. So I'm one over

2092
02:09:08,279 --> 02:09:12,749
place on to split kid has some
of that built into it. I'll do a

2093
02:09:12,749 --> 02:09:16,109
video and if you want to we can
we can chat. Hey, we'll take it

2094
02:09:16,109 --> 02:09:17,309
offline Dobby das

2095
02:09:18,690 --> 02:09:20,880
Dave Jones: I remember you did
that. I remember you did that

2096
02:09:20,880 --> 02:09:23,340
once before with nogen it's been
a long time ago.

2097
02:09:23,400 --> 02:09:27,000
Adam Curry: I looked at it six
years ago. It's embarrassing to

2098
02:09:27,000 --> 02:09:29,640
see the system. I was working
with this. I have to do a new

2099
02:09:29,640 --> 02:09:32,520
one. But that was more that was
more just to show people how

2100
02:09:32,520 --> 02:09:35,400
crazy it is. When John's talking
I'm looking for clips I'm

2101
02:09:35,400 --> 02:09:38,940
dragging stuff in I'm just to
see the whole the whole

2102
02:09:38,940 --> 02:09:45,270
production process is kind of
funky. I mean, you see it? I got

2103
02:09:45,270 --> 02:09:48,510
to do that again. I have a
camera. I have software. I can

2104
02:09:48,510 --> 02:09:49,830
do this. I can do this.

2105
02:09:53,910 --> 02:09:55,290
Dovydas: I would love to as
trial. Yeah.

2106
02:09:55,320 --> 02:09:57,210
Adam Curry: Thank you, Adam.
Yeah, of course, man. No problem

2107
02:09:57,210 --> 02:09:59,910
at all. And I'll try to do it on
the end because what is it what

2108
02:09:59,910 --> 02:10:03,150
is for you now, is it? Almost
nine o'clock? Quarter nine?

2109
02:10:04,200 --> 02:10:05,340
Dovydas: That's correct. Okay.

2110
02:10:05,370 --> 02:10:06,930
Adam Curry: Yeah, on a Friday
night,

2111
02:10:07,410 --> 02:10:10,620
Dave Jones: trying to compile
that script that rush that rust

2112
02:10:10,620 --> 02:10:14,700
script that you did a word paste
it, but I can't find it now, I

2113
02:10:14,700 --> 02:10:15,630
can't find the textbook.

2114
02:10:15,690 --> 02:10:18,360
Adam Curry: And I was wondering,
I had a feeling that it may not

2115
02:10:18,360 --> 02:10:19,800
have completed yet.

2116
02:10:20,550 --> 02:10:23,310
Dave Jones: It looked like it
was missing curly brace.

2117
02:10:24,630 --> 02:10:28,800
Adam Curry: I thought it was
done. But it wasn't. But no, I

2118
02:10:29,010 --> 02:10:35,700
hold on a second. Let me do
this. Did I copy that? Yes,

2119
02:10:35,700 --> 02:10:36,990
there we go. Watch this.

2120
02:10:38,430 --> 02:10:39,480
Dave Jones: You're gonna paste
it in again.

2121
02:10:40,020 --> 02:10:41,820
Adam Curry: I'm gonna get sent.
I'm gonna paste it to you.

2122
02:10:42,690 --> 02:10:45,630
You're gonna set it in there.
Yeah, on the signals. There it

2123
02:10:45,630 --> 02:10:50,190
is. I mean, look, it wasn't
blazingly fast. But it was

2124
02:10:50,190 --> 02:10:53,370
sovereign. I did it on my own
system. No one knows that I did

2125
02:10:53,370 --> 02:10:58,050
it. It doesn't doesn't report
army doesn't tell me any bad

2126
02:10:58,050 --> 02:11:04,170
things. And I had no idea what
rust even is. So the fact that

2127
02:11:04,170 --> 02:11:06,990
it did that in an hour is I
think is just impressive on my

2128
02:11:07,020 --> 02:11:09,900
on my little start nine box
here, that's impressive to this

2129
02:11:09,900 --> 02:11:10,380
speaking

2130
02:11:10,380 --> 02:11:14,910
Dovydas: over us. One
interesting thing I've tried a

2131
02:11:14,910 --> 02:11:18,630
few months ago, is actually
using rust on the front end.

2132
02:11:19,590 --> 02:11:24,120
Because we have this idea of
WebAssembly, which means that we

2133
02:11:24,120 --> 02:11:27,510
can now have all kinds of
different languages running on

2134
02:11:27,510 --> 02:11:32,280
the front end of so people who
would maybe want to check out

2135
02:11:32,310 --> 02:11:38,190
they can go to tools.rs as
blue.com to see what a rust

2136
02:11:38,400 --> 02:11:41,880
front end app actually looks
like. So it's a little

2137
02:11:41,880 --> 02:11:45,030
experiment, but I might actually
develop this further in the

2138
02:11:45,030 --> 02:11:47,010
future. Oh, nice.

2139
02:11:47,370 --> 02:11:50,550
Dave Jones: I think I remember
you posting that. What is it?

2140
02:11:51,330 --> 02:11:53,910
Dovydas: So there are a few
things. So you know, I've tried

2141
02:11:53,940 --> 02:11:56,580
all kinds of different things
with it. So one of them is

2142
02:11:56,610 --> 02:12:01,230
podcast GUI generator. So where
you just enter your podcast

2143
02:12:01,230 --> 02:12:05,430
feeds URL, and it generates the
podcast good using the right

2144
02:12:05,430 --> 02:12:10,290
format. Then the other thing we
have is slot op free, which I

2145
02:12:10,290 --> 02:12:13,740
should probably retire because
we now have all the free pages.

2146
02:12:14,040 --> 02:12:18,420
But what it did initially, it
would essentially post your

2147
02:12:19,500 --> 02:12:24,810
enclosure URL, and it would
essentially plot your downloads

2148
02:12:24,840 --> 02:12:30,600
over time. And then we also have
validator which is a podcasting

2149
02:12:30,600 --> 02:12:34,140
2.0 tags validator, which
essentially does all the

2150
02:12:34,140 --> 02:12:36,270
validation in your browser.

2151
02:12:38,160 --> 02:12:43,350
Dave Jones: Wow, it's a real
time real time update. The this

2152
02:12:43,350 --> 02:12:45,870
is not a this is not a
compilable script.

2153
02:12:46,200 --> 02:12:49,350
Adam Curry: I just sent you I
just sent you a link. It's still

2154
02:12:49,380 --> 02:12:54,390
writing the script. It's not yet
it's almost there. It's it's

2155
02:12:54,390 --> 02:12:59,370
slow. But it's it's literally
writing it word by word, but

2156
02:12:59,370 --> 02:13:02,220
it's doing it I'll send it to
you when it says it's complete.

2157
02:13:02,310 --> 02:13:05,160
It's a little unclear when these
things are complete. You gotta

2158
02:13:05,160 --> 02:13:09,450
go back, or you offer you back
to the back. Hey, can we Okay,

2159
02:13:09,450 --> 02:13:13,080
so I have a weird thing
happening on Friday. Next

2160
02:13:13,080 --> 02:13:17,760
Friday, Friday, can we do
Thursday evening? Is it possible

2161
02:13:17,760 --> 02:13:18,180
for you?

2162
02:13:18,780 --> 02:13:21,540
Dave Jones: We can but it'll
need to be late. That's okay.

2163
02:13:22,110 --> 02:13:25,410
I've actually started rock
climbing with my daughter. So we

2164
02:13:25,410 --> 02:13:27,210
do that on Tuesdays and
Thursdays. And that's okay,

2165
02:13:27,210 --> 02:13:29,310
Adam Curry: because I need some
time to decompress after no

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agenda anyway. But if we could
do that, because I don't want to

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miss a board meeting. But I'm
traveling to Houston and like

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everything my whole life is a
mess. They've

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Dave Jones: fallen apart. Yeah,
so like eight o'clock? Oh, yeah,

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no, that's

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Adam Curry: not late. Yeah,
that's fine. Perfect eight

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o'clock. Alright, everybody
board meeting will be eight

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o'clock central time on
Thursday. So join us for that

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Dobby. Das man, thank you so
much. Congratulations with

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everything. RSS blue.com. I
always put it in the list on the

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booster grand ball. So people
know they can can also use that

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for their for their music
uploads. And we'll be we'll be

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in touch about the workflow for
for creating value for value

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music shows.

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Dovydas: Thank you. I appreciate
it. Thanks, David.

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Adam Curry: Thanks for coming,
man. Really appreciate you being

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here. And thank you chat room.
Thank you all so much for being

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here for this very important
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