1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,500 Adam Curry: Oh, podcasting 2.0 for September 15 2023, episode 2 00:00:04,500 --> 00:00:12,390 146 We got analytics. Oh, oh, guess we're back once again time 3 00:00:12,390 --> 00:00:15,150 for a board meeting, the official board meeting of 4 00:00:15,150 --> 00:00:18,480 podcasting 2.0 in the only boardroom that can calculate 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,630 your taxes twice a year. That's right. Everything happening at 6 00:00:21,630 --> 00:00:25,770 podcast index.org, the podcast namespace, all the goings on in 7 00:00:25,770 --> 00:00:29,160 the wizardry podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in 8 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,160 the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the man 9 00:00:32,160 --> 00:00:36,360 who spits out RSS JSON and OPML with a single breath say hello 10 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,480 to my friend on the other end ladies and gentlemen Mr. De 11 00:00:42,150 --> 00:00:42,990 Dave Jones: breathe and Opie 12 00:00:44,310 --> 00:00:47,430 Adam Curry: breathe in and he's breathing fine OPML file 13 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,710 Dave Jones: this Hey, shoot what the crap just, 14 00:00:53,010 --> 00:00:55,920 Adam Curry: oh, wait, don't tell me we're going to do another 15 15 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:56,970 minutes of road caster? 16 00:00:57,330 --> 00:01:01,380 Dave Jones: No, no, that is not happening. Oh, I know what I did 17 00:01:01,380 --> 00:01:04,320 accidentally hit that started put something on top of my 18 00:01:04,320 --> 00:01:06,450 keyboard and I accidentally hit the print screen and it took a 19 00:01:06,570 --> 00:01:09,540 photo of the screen like with this camera shutter noise 20 00:01:09,570 --> 00:01:12,270 Adam Curry: it's it's it's amazing that that actually works 21 00:01:12,300 --> 00:01:17,010 on on Linux. You're running Linux, I'm sure right? Ubuntu. 22 00:01:17,130 --> 00:01:20,610 Yeah, yeah, even on Linux Mint. i The other day I hit the by 23 00:01:20,610 --> 00:01:27,330 accident hit the print screen on my Surface go version two. And 24 00:01:27,330 --> 00:01:30,570 it took a screenshot it just brought up the actual screen 25 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,860 screenshot application and shot it I was quite surprised 26 00:01:35,130 --> 00:01:38,280 Dave Jones: when it goes like in the good like whites the screen. 27 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,620 I mean, it's the as the whole thing. It's like you just took a 28 00:01:40,620 --> 00:01:41,850 picture. I can hear 29 00:01:41,850 --> 00:01:44,280 Adam Curry: whatever you're drinking is fizzing in my ear. 30 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:48,480 What are you drinking? Like this? Yes. What is it? That's 31 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:50,430 not a beef milkshake. Come on now. 32 00:01:50,850 --> 00:01:54,930 Dave Jones: It's not it's a polar Selter Oh, calorie free. 33 00:01:55,889 --> 00:01:58,499 Adam Curry: calorie free. Okay. All right. I'm sure it's real 34 00:01:58,499 --> 00:02:01,169 healthy. We're trying to keep you alive. We're trying to keep 35 00:02:01,169 --> 00:02:03,089 you alive. Dave. Stop drinking that crap. 36 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,600 Dave Jones: already. It's just It's just water is water with 37 00:02:06,630 --> 00:02:09,420 carbon in it. So I'm like destroying the planet. 38 00:02:10,949 --> 00:02:12,059 Adam Curry: Oh, man, 39 00:02:12,090 --> 00:02:14,580 Dave Jones: I'm literally eating. I'm taking in carbon and 40 00:02:14,580 --> 00:02:17,880 producing it at the same you are one ball of carbon. That's the 41 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:18,840 whole idea. Eating 42 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,650 Adam Curry: a beef milkshake. Nice. Nice, horrible nice. Is 43 00:02:22,650 --> 00:02:25,050 Dave the other day said hey, man, how you doing with beef 44 00:02:25,050 --> 00:02:28,680 milkshakes? Yeah. Yeah, got it. Is it good to remind myself to 45 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,750 have a salad? From time to time? 46 00:02:30,779 --> 00:02:32,279 Dave Jones: That's what you That's what I said. You said 47 00:02:32,279 --> 00:02:34,889 Harry as the beef go. And I was like, Yeah, that's exactly what 48 00:02:34,889 --> 00:02:35,309 you sound 49 00:02:35,310 --> 00:02:38,880 Adam Curry: like. Yeah. My whole life is surrounded by by 50 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:43,830 carnivores. Now everyone here is on the carnivore diet. So Tina 51 00:02:43,830 --> 00:02:46,650 is on the carnivore diet. Our friends are on the carnivore 52 00:02:46,650 --> 00:02:49,350 diet. My buddies in Dallas strongly. It was like, you know, 53 00:02:49,530 --> 00:02:53,370 take the Greens group texting, texting pictures of their meat. 54 00:02:54,960 --> 00:03:00,450 Dave Jones: Don't say that. Text Hey, text me your meat. 55 00:03:00,930 --> 00:03:03,360 Adam Curry: I'm telling you. They send me all these pictures 56 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,790 of meat and like and there's not you know, we go out to dinner 57 00:03:05,790 --> 00:03:08,610 and then everyone's like, well, what sides? Would you want? 58 00:03:08,610 --> 00:03:13,650 Adam? You're gonna have all of ours. Like, okay, and asparagus. 59 00:03:14,070 --> 00:03:17,730 And like the first the first 10 minutes of every dinner is about 60 00:03:17,730 --> 00:03:18,270 meat. 61 00:03:19,170 --> 00:03:23,520 Dave Jones: Well, Alex is mostly I think he's mostly protein too. 62 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,030 I mean, I think this verse it's, it's healthy. What do you what 63 00:03:27,030 --> 00:03:31,020 do you eat besides meat? Potatoes. You're clearly not a 64 00:03:31,020 --> 00:03:31,650 carnivore. 65 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,160 Adam Curry: I eat the beef with everybody. I mean, I love I love 66 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,820 beef, but then I'll I like a potato. Sometimes, like little 67 00:03:38,850 --> 00:03:42,120 rice salad. You know? It's like, give me a little Oh, no, I'm 68 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,640 keto. I mean, ketosis. Okay. 69 00:03:44,940 --> 00:03:48,930 Dave Jones: Okay, so here, here's this weird. So I have 70 00:03:48,930 --> 00:03:53,490 this, I have this theory that is completely unscientific, but 71 00:03:53,490 --> 00:03:54,960 that has never stopped me before. 72 00:03:54,989 --> 00:03:57,569 Adam Curry: Now just look at broadcasting. Yes, exactly. 73 00:03:57,569 --> 00:03:57,779 Yeah. 74 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,260 Dave Jones: Yeah, no, I have no basis to believe this, but I 75 00:04:01,260 --> 00:04:05,610 don't care. So but I have this theory that you're that we we 76 00:04:05,610 --> 00:04:09,480 each have an ancestral and I hate this word, ancestral diet, 77 00:04:10,020 --> 00:04:14,040 that we have an ancestral sort of diet that that like so if I 78 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:19,410 look at my lineage, and I say okay, so I'm like, I'm I'm super 79 00:04:19,410 --> 00:04:23,400 white by the way like, all of my family heritage comes from CAST 80 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,260 basically white whales and 81 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,410 Adam Curry: Oh, whales, the country. I'm sorry. Yeah, I 82 00:04:28,410 --> 00:04:31,320 thought you were like, whales. Yes, the low belly of a whale 83 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:31,800 blubber. 84 00:04:33,210 --> 00:04:41,550 Dave Jones: It's all I mean, I'm like, the I have this theory 85 00:04:41,550 --> 00:04:44,280 that if you look at your heritage, and you say, Okay, 86 00:04:44,280 --> 00:04:48,540 what did my ancestors eat? That's probably what you should 87 00:04:48,540 --> 00:04:49,800 mostly be eating. 88 00:04:50,609 --> 00:04:53,279 Adam Curry: I have a similar theory. It's but it goes more 89 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:57,989 towards what where you live to whatever ground you're working, 90 00:04:58,019 --> 00:05:01,379 walking on and where you live. The you should be eating from 91 00:05:01,379 --> 00:05:07,199 that ground in that that area. So Texas obviously beef. Yeah. I 92 00:05:07,199 --> 00:05:09,659 think I think yeah, I buy into that, you know, but that isn't 93 00:05:09,659 --> 00:05:11,669 that the whole keto thing is caveman. 94 00:05:12,929 --> 00:05:15,899 Dave Jones: Yeah, that goes way that goes too far back that goes 95 00:05:15,929 --> 00:05:16,769 that goes to 96 00:05:17,159 --> 00:05:19,829 Adam Curry: pre close. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, he's 97 00:05:19,830 --> 00:05:22,140 Dave Jones: like, if you go far back far enough, we're all 98 00:05:22,140 --> 00:05:25,830 really no, we all came from the same place. But if like if your 99 00:05:25,830 --> 00:05:33,780 heritage is from North Africa and mine is from Wales, yeah. We 100 00:05:33,780 --> 00:05:38,400 probably we, you could probably get away with eating more of 101 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,130 something else, then I can't then I can't like, you know what 102 00:05:41,130 --> 00:05:41,400 I mean, 103 00:05:41,550 --> 00:05:45,150 Adam Curry: you know, what they say about whales, right. So God 104 00:05:45,150 --> 00:05:49,110 was, well, Wales is in the United Kingdom. And when I was 105 00:05:49,110 --> 00:05:54,600 flying there with my instructor UK is not that big. You can fly 106 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,710 around, you know, in a day you get get a lot of it in and he 107 00:05:58,710 --> 00:06:02,070 would point down he said, see that there? That's Wales. He 108 00:06:02,070 --> 00:06:05,250 says, even if your engine is on fire, you do not land there. 109 00:06:06,180 --> 00:06:09,870 Why? Something? Something about the Brits and the Welsh it's 110 00:06:09,870 --> 00:06:13,350 something doesn't gel. I'm not sure what the issue is, but I 111 00:06:13,350 --> 00:06:16,020 took it to heart so okay, man, you got it. Never gonna land. 112 00:06:16,950 --> 00:06:18,660 Dave Jones: Aim for the water. Yeah, it's just 113 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:20,820 Adam Curry: just crashing, you know, just ditch it. And 114 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,310 Dave Jones: I'm just in a pissy mood this week? 115 00:06:26,580 --> 00:06:29,400 Adam Curry: Well, I don't I know. We've been friends for 116 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:34,410 over 12 years now. And I know your calendar and your count, 117 00:06:34,590 --> 00:06:37,680 like twice a year it gets crazy at your office and it's around 118 00:06:37,950 --> 00:06:41,430 corporate tax time, individual tax time, and there's probably 119 00:06:41,430 --> 00:06:44,400 someone there LLC date that does, you know, October, 120 00:06:44,430 --> 00:06:47,940 whatever. But September 15. Today is like the day I can't 121 00:06:47,940 --> 00:06:49,290 believe you've been doing the show, 122 00:06:50,010 --> 00:06:52,980 Dave Jones: though. Yeah. Okay. It's it's funny, because the day 123 00:06:52,980 --> 00:06:56,640 of the deadline is usually, you know, you're either done or 124 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:01,290 you're not, you know, we kind of like, by that time most 125 00:07:01,290 --> 00:07:03,810 everybody's pretty much finishing up. So there's, 126 00:07:03,840 --> 00:07:07,140 there's a there's always a few emergencies, but it's usually by 127 00:07:07,140 --> 00:07:10,710 that time, everything's calm down. I just like, you know, I 128 00:07:10,710 --> 00:07:15,720 think I'm just aggravated by normal stuff. And then the 129 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:22,560 podcast news this week, has just like, made it worse today. Well, 130 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,590 you know what it is this so stupid and aggravate. This is 131 00:07:25,590 --> 00:07:27,810 Adam Curry: the enemy The thief comes in, only to steal and 132 00:07:27,810 --> 00:07:31,500 kill. He's that. He's just trying to distract you. I had it 133 00:07:31,500 --> 00:07:34,290 this morning. Trying to distract you from the message. You know, 134 00:07:34,290 --> 00:07:38,040 I had a really emptiness in with staying with their sister for a 135 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,350 few days. She comes back tomorrow. So I'm here with the 136 00:07:40,350 --> 00:07:43,230 dog. The dog didn't want to look at me the dogs by the door like 137 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,510 Dave Jones: I can tell when Tina's go. I can tell when Tina 138 00:07:48,510 --> 00:07:51,840 has gone Oh, without without knowing that Tina has gone okay. 139 00:07:52,530 --> 00:07:53,610 Just by how you text. 140 00:07:54,060 --> 00:07:57,840 Adam Curry: Really? The nature of my texting? Wow. Yeah. And I 141 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:59,490 Dave Jones: can't it's intangible. I don't know how to 142 00:07:59,490 --> 00:08:01,860 describe it to you. But I'm like you said Tina has gone on like, 143 00:08:01,860 --> 00:08:02,820 yeah, I already knew that. 144 00:08:03,330 --> 00:08:06,090 Adam Curry: Well, it is true that I've I've known you know, 145 00:08:06,330 --> 00:08:09,360 three times as long as I've known her. Now that's natural 146 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,910 for know for you now longer, I'm sorry, four years longer. 147 00:08:12,990 --> 00:08:15,840 Dave Jones: Even tell you you've got there's a there's a certain 148 00:08:16,140 --> 00:08:19,170 stride. In your in your conversations. 149 00:08:20,580 --> 00:08:22,980 Adam Curry: Well, well, I there was just a whole bunch of stuff 150 00:08:22,980 --> 00:08:26,700 going on. And I'm like, no, no, I just gotta reset. Because I'm 151 00:08:26,700 --> 00:08:33,150 so I'm so so excited about the value for value music. And I've 152 00:08:33,150 --> 00:08:37,830 been playing it and people are emailing me saying, you know, 153 00:08:37,830 --> 00:08:40,620 you're right. I wake up in the morning, I have this these tunes 154 00:08:40,620 --> 00:08:45,150 in my head. And it's not stuff from the radio said yeah, this 155 00:08:45,150 --> 00:08:49,950 is exactly how it this is exactly what's happening. And I 156 00:08:49,950 --> 00:08:55,950 just, I keep busy, like being amazed by how repetition just, 157 00:08:56,190 --> 00:09:00,180 you know, what do we have now? Maybe five, six, maybe eight 158 00:09:00,180 --> 00:09:03,990 value for value music podcasts? And I listened to all of them. 159 00:09:03,990 --> 00:09:07,350 That sounds about right. Yeah, I listened to all of them. And you 160 00:09:07,350 --> 00:09:09,480 hear this stuff like and you start humming it and it's like 161 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,460 yeah, maybe I should play that on my show. And you play it and 162 00:09:11,460 --> 00:09:14,460 then now you've heard it three four times and now it's it's 163 00:09:14,610 --> 00:09:18,600 even Tina before she left she was singing some songs like hey, 164 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:19,800 do you realize what you're saying? 165 00:09:20,430 --> 00:09:22,890 Dave Jones: Or else and worse for me I did a live stream the 166 00:09:22,890 --> 00:09:26,910 other day of Mitra of meeting like late like making some music 167 00:09:26,910 --> 00:09:31,110 and GarageBand and because it just got like it's gotten in my 168 00:09:31,110 --> 00:09:34,560 head I'm like oh, I've got some I've got some ideas for some 169 00:09:34,560 --> 00:09:35,040 tune. 170 00:09:35,070 --> 00:09:38,670 Adam Curry: Oh, anyway value for value music is bringing bringing 171 00:09:38,670 --> 00:09:41,550 the musician better in your back to the surface. I love it. 172 00:09:42,030 --> 00:09:43,740 Dave Jones: Yeah, and then I had to stop myself because I'm like, 173 00:09:43,770 --> 00:09:46,170 oh my god, I'm already doing 15 You know I can't I don't have 174 00:09:46,170 --> 00:09:50,970 time for this. So I better build on that. But but it I see what 175 00:09:50,970 --> 00:09:53,070 you mean by it gets in your head and you want to go with it. 176 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:55,890 Adam Curry: So you decide do something more exciting like 177 00:09:56,070 --> 00:09:59,970 output and OPML version of the top 100 Because that is sexy. 178 00:10:01,110 --> 00:10:02,130 Dave Jones: It was exciting to me. 179 00:10:02,310 --> 00:10:06,570 Adam Curry: No, I'm not. I'm not being facetious. I saw wait JSON 180 00:10:06,750 --> 00:10:14,910 OPML RSS. Love it. The chart, it's exciting the way you the 181 00:10:14,910 --> 00:10:19,200 algo, you set up which is based upon number of booths I think, 182 00:10:19,230 --> 00:10:21,990 technically isn't. Can we just say based upon a number of 183 00:10:22,020 --> 00:10:26,610 events? isn't a one minute payment also included? Yeah. 184 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,750 Which I think is fair is fair. I mean, it's I see people who are 185 00:10:30,750 --> 00:10:34,230 streaming 1000 SATs a minute. So it's Oh, 186 00:10:34,500 --> 00:10:36,840 Dave Jones: I bumped man up. I think I'm at five. I think I'm 187 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,980 at 500. At least on one app. Yeah. I got so many apps. I 188 00:10:40,980 --> 00:10:41,940 can't keep track of. 189 00:10:42,150 --> 00:10:50,130 Adam Curry: Yeah, it's, it's really, yeah, it's if anything, 190 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,970 I'm impatient. I'm like, Ah, we need this. We need that. And you 191 00:10:53,970 --> 00:10:55,740 know, and I know, and I know you're busy. So I don't want to 192 00:10:55,740 --> 00:10:58,800 inundate you like hey, why don't one thing I see is so anyway, so 193 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:03,000 I'm looking at the top 100 podcasts index dot top, and John 194 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,450 Ross is up on top. And this is a seven day rolling average, I see 195 00:11:06,450 --> 00:11:10,680 it start to take down I see his his his numbers go down a little 196 00:11:10,680 --> 00:11:14,940 bit, then all of a sudden this morning, MC Costello blows past 197 00:11:14,940 --> 00:11:17,280 them goes from number two to number one, she was number one, 198 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:22,080 she went down the number two. So it's this real. It's like a real 199 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:27,780 time representation of what is actually happening in podcasts, 200 00:11:28,290 --> 00:11:33,120 music, podcasts. And I just love it. And this also this other 201 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:37,800 stuff pops up. And then I see what was it down here at the 202 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:42,330 bottom. And then I see that, you know, Joe Martin, someone must 203 00:11:42,330 --> 00:11:47,910 have played Joe Martin on a playlist. Because he got like, 204 00:11:47,910 --> 00:11:51,210 one play one, play one play one play. And then that got me 205 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,190 Dave Jones: to thinking funny to see that. No, I 206 00:11:53,190 --> 00:11:56,100 Adam Curry: love it. That way. I love it. And then then it got me 207 00:11:56,100 --> 00:12:00,240 thinking like, Ellen beach.com, I don't know if it's, if it's an 208 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,090 I've been using lm beach.com, which really, it's even built, 209 00:12:03,150 --> 00:12:07,200 he's built a pretty good app there. You know, and you connect 210 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,900 it to even on the phone, I could connect it to my Alby wallet. 211 00:12:09,900 --> 00:12:12,810 And so I just say, after I finished playing a song stream, 212 00:12:12,810 --> 00:12:16,440 1000 SATs and I can boost while you know 10 a booster Graham 213 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,620 while I'm listening, and like this should this should kind of 214 00:12:19,620 --> 00:12:23,790 be the the playlist maker and people should be able to submit 215 00:12:23,790 --> 00:12:27,030 the playlist that they put together to the index as a 216 00:12:27,030 --> 00:12:33,930 podcast of songs. I'll step back for the enthusiasm. Don't want 217 00:12:33,930 --> 00:12:34,920 it to get on my face. 218 00:12:35,970 --> 00:12:39,000 Dave Jones: Yeah, no, I know. I agree that so that's the 219 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:43,020 playlists. That's why I wanted to go here next, because I 220 00:12:43,020 --> 00:12:46,050 thought you had another thought to go there. But that that's, I 221 00:12:46,050 --> 00:12:48,900 mean, that's where this is headed. His playlist is playlist 222 00:12:48,900 --> 00:12:53,700 sharing. So start starting with the chart. But then if you can, 223 00:12:53,730 --> 00:12:57,660 I mean, obviously, what's next is some sort of share your OPML 224 00:12:57,660 --> 00:13:00,120 style thing, right? Well 225 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,200 Adam Curry: hear me out. Hear me out? Is it not valid for a 226 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:08,130 playlist to be in the index? As a podcast? 227 00:13:09,090 --> 00:13:11,130 Dave Jones: Yes, for sure. That's what that thing is. 228 00:13:11,130 --> 00:13:12,630 That's what that bill, 229 00:13:12,690 --> 00:13:15,270 Adam Curry: okay. All right. But so I should be able to search 230 00:13:15,270 --> 00:13:19,350 and say give me Dave's playlist. And should end? Yes. And now is 231 00:13:19,350 --> 00:13:21,990 there a medium equals playlist? Do we have something like that? 232 00:13:21,990 --> 00:13:24,240 Or does it go in as medium? Because I don't know if it 233 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,910 should go in as the medium tag being music or? 234 00:13:27,150 --> 00:13:30,540 Dave Jones: I don't know. No? Okay. Well, this is good. It is. 235 00:13:30,540 --> 00:13:33,870 So I thought You thought you already had sort of the concept 236 00:13:33,870 --> 00:13:39,300 of this, it'd be good to explain it. So the medium is for the 237 00:13:39,300 --> 00:13:45,150 playlist. Let me let me step back for a second. So what I did 238 00:13:45,150 --> 00:13:50,550 was I took the chart, the data that builds the HTML chart, and 239 00:13:52,260 --> 00:13:56,910 it just basically, in made an output other than formats than 240 00:13:56,910 --> 00:14:00,720 just HTML is still all the it's the same data, right? So now 241 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:07,770 it's now it outputs an HTML chart. An OPML chart. The OPML 242 00:14:07,770 --> 00:14:14,580 chart contain is is a standard feed live feed. Bull would you 243 00:14:14,580 --> 00:14:17,760 call it what do they call it an OPML parlor? scription list? 244 00:14:18,030 --> 00:14:21,660 subscription list. Thank you. Okay, so it's a standard format, 245 00:14:21,660 --> 00:14:27,930 compliance, open compliant OPML subscription list with the 246 00:14:27,930 --> 00:14:35,100 podcast namespace added to the to the XML so that we can also 247 00:14:35,580 --> 00:14:39,510 put in a couple of extra attributes like the GU ID 248 00:14:40,530 --> 00:14:43,350 Adam Curry: which is which and remind me to come back to oh my 249 00:14:43,350 --> 00:14:47,700 goodness, I just I'm sorry, I just opened up the OPML in 250 00:14:47,700 --> 00:14:53,850 freedom controller did pull it in. Oh, yeah. Oh, bro. But when 251 00:14:53,850 --> 00:14:57,510 I click on OK, it just now just shows me the titles don't want 252 00:14:57,510 --> 00:14:59,580 to click on it. There's nothing nothing's active. It has a 253 00:14:59,580 --> 00:15:03,540 little It does feed icon as well. Oh, yeah. Yeah, but no, 254 00:15:03,540 --> 00:15:05,100 when you click on it doesn't do anything. 255 00:15:05,790 --> 00:15:09,720 Dave Jones: Does it not expand? No. Okay, it's probably because 256 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,810 it's sucking in just the feet. It's 257 00:15:12,990 --> 00:15:14,820 Adam Curry: the identity. That doesn't matter. I was just 258 00:15:14,820 --> 00:15:18,690 excited for a second. I'm sorry. You can still be excited. I'm no 259 00:15:18,690 --> 00:15:21,690 longer excited about that. Oh, wait to be excited. 260 00:15:24,060 --> 00:15:29,100 Dave Jones: Man, I'm so since I'm your way. So you have the 261 00:15:29,100 --> 00:15:36,810 OPML feed subscription list. Is, is there now? Now. And then also 262 00:15:36,810 --> 00:15:43,020 the same data is building an RSS playlist. So to my knowledge, 263 00:15:43,050 --> 00:15:48,120 this is the first time that there's been a playlist James 264 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,700 may have done this, but I'm not sure. So 265 00:15:50,700 --> 00:15:52,470 Adam Curry: when you say playlist is that just like a 266 00:15:52,470 --> 00:15:54,270 podcast feed with enclosures? 267 00:15:55,229 --> 00:16:00,029 Dave Jones: It is an RSS feed that uses instead of items that 268 00:16:00,029 --> 00:16:04,139 he uses remote items, Oh, snap. 269 00:16:04,830 --> 00:16:05,430 Adam Curry: Yes. 270 00:16:07,050 --> 00:16:11,640 Dave Jones: Medium that there is not music. The medium is music. 271 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:18,180 L. So me music list. Okay. There's a corresponding list 272 00:16:18,180 --> 00:16:22,770 version. Yes. So this is a meet this. This is a playlist of 273 00:16:22,770 --> 00:16:25,740 music episode references now for 274 00:16:25,740 --> 00:16:31,560 Adam Curry: like, extra credit. This extra credit class, this 275 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,530 will be beautiful. Because this is what I've learned from the 276 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:41,760 the sorted state of the music music industrial complex. It 277 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:48,810 would be beautiful. If a music a medium equals music l feed could 278 00:16:48,810 --> 00:16:54,420 have a value block for the Creator. So that someone who 279 00:16:54,420 --> 00:16:59,370 puts together a playlist, a popular playlist gets their 5% 280 00:16:59,370 --> 00:17:02,670 or whatever it is, while the music is playing. It does. It's 281 00:17:02,670 --> 00:17:04,980 Dave Jones: got it. It's got a valuable. 282 00:17:07,980 --> 00:17:09,000 Adam Curry: Love you Dave Jones. 283 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,360 Dave Jones: You know what's missing from the HTML? I'm just 284 00:17:12,360 --> 00:17:16,410 now looking at the chart. What's missing is references to those 285 00:17:16,410 --> 00:17:17,850 other two formats. 286 00:17:18,329 --> 00:17:22,019 Adam Curry: Yes, I intuitively I just went to V for V Music dot 287 00:17:22,019 --> 00:17:25,079 OPML. Because I I know you remember 12 years. So I'm like, 288 00:17:25,079 --> 00:17:27,479 Okay, I know where this is hiding. You're missing those 289 00:17:27,479 --> 00:17:31,589 references. Really what what not to make it go completely crazy. 290 00:17:31,589 --> 00:17:34,649 I'm not sure how this would look in in any of the other formats. 291 00:17:35,009 --> 00:17:37,679 But when I go to the chart, and I see daydreamer, we I know 292 00:17:37,679 --> 00:17:40,619 we've talked about it, I want to click on that. And I want to 293 00:17:40,619 --> 00:17:46,169 open a sub page that shows me and booster grams and shows me 294 00:17:46,169 --> 00:17:49,889 what other podcasts that has been played on in the past seven 295 00:17:49,889 --> 00:17:56,069 days, whatever our timeframe is. That now that that would be now 296 00:17:56,069 --> 00:17:57,689 you have mega discovery. 297 00:17:58,740 --> 00:18:00,000 Dave Jones: Mega discovery. Yes. 298 00:18:00,030 --> 00:18:05,280 Adam Curry: And those MD, Mike my delta omega. I know it's a 299 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,160 whole bunch of other stuff. I know it's it's like beauty stuff 300 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:13,350 that maybe someone else can do this. Maybe not database work, 301 00:18:13,350 --> 00:18:15,030 right? You got to pull from the database. 302 00:18:15,900 --> 00:18:18,480 Dave Jones: Nobody else is gonna do this because I can barely do 303 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:23,190 it. I just can't even understand my own crap that nobody else can 304 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,620 Adam Curry: see that's going to bring people in because then 305 00:18:25,620 --> 00:18:28,320 they want to see the booster gram they send. And then when 306 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,470 they see that, like oh, hey, this song that I boosted played 307 00:18:31,470 --> 00:18:33,990 on this other podcast. Let me listen to that podcast. Oh, 308 00:18:33,990 --> 00:18:37,200 here's another bunch of cool songs. So now you're which 309 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:43,620 brings me to? And we I may have asked this question before. So 310 00:18:43,620 --> 00:18:46,380 it may may be really stupid because it's a recursive type 311 00:18:46,380 --> 00:18:52,980 question. Is it possible to have a remote item reference a remote 312 00:18:52,980 --> 00:18:53,520 item? 313 00:18:58,050 --> 00:19:00,060 Dave Jones: Wait, yeah, I felt like we talked about this 314 00:19:00,060 --> 00:19:07,560 before. I mean, technically, yes. Is a good idea and not give 315 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:07,770 me 316 00:19:09,780 --> 00:19:12,900 Adam Curry: what happens here. Here's, here's, here's what I 317 00:19:12,900 --> 00:19:17,520 was thinking. Because we're seeing is, I'm not sure it means 318 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:17,700 like 319 00:19:17,700 --> 00:19:20,130 Dave Jones: having an HTML reader is like having an HTTP 320 00:19:20,130 --> 00:19:25,380 redirect that redirects back to itself. Like, you can end up in 321 00:19:25,380 --> 00:19:28,530 a loop. And like, technically, you can do it but you hear like, 322 00:19:28,590 --> 00:19:30,960 Adam Curry: here he was my thinking. And this may this may 323 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,630 be just a stupid bridge I'm trying to create to solve a 324 00:19:33,630 --> 00:19:37,920 couple of issues. But could you have a let's say there's a piece 325 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:43,680 of software that just does wallets and splits. Okay, but 326 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:49,200 you want to reference that from your feed. So to make it easier 327 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,200 for a lot of I think a lot of developers just a lot of 328 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,220 different things. If let's say I'll be for instance, they had a 329 00:19:56,220 --> 00:20:01,350 split management system or any or wallet or it could be just a 330 00:20:01,350 --> 00:20:05,550 standalone who revolute who manage wallets. T is trying to 331 00:20:05,550 --> 00:20:10,860 see some some place where you can go in and create a value 332 00:20:10,860 --> 00:20:16,680 block that I guess it doesn't make any difference. You know 333 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:21,120 what it is I saw this, this video. Okay, and this video is 334 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:23,880 been going around and I put it in the show notes is this. This 335 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,870 dude has been working with Bjorn from Abba. And you know, the guy 336 00:20:27,870 --> 00:20:32,040 who has a very popular YouTube and he deconstructs music, and 337 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,950 the music industry. And he has this like studio with all his 338 00:20:34,950 --> 00:20:37,620 guitars against the wall, I think what the guy's name is, 339 00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:41,460 Rob, Rob's Yeah, something like Yeah, exactly, that's the guy. 340 00:20:41,970 --> 00:20:45,270 And so they sit down, and they're showing how convoluted 341 00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:48,990 the music business is. And this, so add the abbot guy, and this 342 00:20:48,990 --> 00:20:53,670 other Swedish guy that built this app, called session. And so 343 00:20:53,700 --> 00:20:56,880 all you have to do is you get the app, and it's connected to 344 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:01,980 the recording software. And so whenever you do even the 345 00:21:01,980 --> 00:21:05,760 smallest bit on a track anywhere, it automatically puts 346 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,840 you in the in the system, it gets you all the, the you know, 347 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,960 the like the equivalent of ISBN numbers you need for the big 348 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:18,000 block black box that is the music industrial complex. And 349 00:21:19,170 --> 00:21:22,500 it's literally the title of the YouTube video is why musicians 350 00:21:22,500 --> 00:21:26,700 are broken, how to fix it. And, and, and it shows you that and 351 00:21:26,700 --> 00:21:30,030 what is showing is this whole convoluted system, where you can 352 00:21:30,030 --> 00:21:33,450 have eight writers on one song and the software tracks at all. 353 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,750 And I'm looking at it and go, that's literally splits. 354 00:21:36,990 --> 00:21:40,530 Literally, they McCall it splits it, you split the split this 355 00:21:40,530 --> 00:21:45,480 year, like we have all of this, except we don't have to link out 356 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,110 to this whole, you know, this whole system of collections and, 357 00:21:49,290 --> 00:21:53,310 and you know, strong arming and nonprofits that really invest 358 00:21:53,310 --> 00:21:56,730 your money before they pay it to you in 48 months, all this, this 359 00:21:56,730 --> 00:22:01,200 weird stuff. I'm just thinking, how can we simplify that for 360 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,290 musicians? So it becomes obvious. And then now that I'm 361 00:22:04,290 --> 00:22:08,310 saying I'm like, we just need to explain it better on the systems 362 00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:11,010 that are hosting content, I guess, because I'm very 363 00:22:11,010 --> 00:22:13,530 frustrated with wavelength that they don't have splits. I'll 364 00:22:13,530 --> 00:22:16,440 just say it upfront. It's frustrating to me because it's 365 00:22:16,530 --> 00:22:19,290 it's not showing the power of the system. That's only taking 366 00:22:19,470 --> 00:22:22,650 the artists halfway and saying you know, oh, look, you know, 367 00:22:22,650 --> 00:22:25,980 you can get paid but it doesn't say we're taking over the whole 368 00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:31,020 convoluted system and bringing it into a simple transparent 369 00:22:31,020 --> 00:22:34,170 published contract that any of the participants can look at at 370 00:22:34,170 --> 00:22:38,160 any time with with money going directly from people enjoying 371 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,590 the music that people who created it. I guess that's where 372 00:22:40,590 --> 00:22:43,740 it's coming from, like how can we circumvent that system? Get 373 00:22:43,740 --> 00:22:48,150 around it because I'm so disappointed. I guessed that 374 00:22:48,150 --> 00:22:49,650 it's not not there yet. 375 00:22:51,810 --> 00:22:53,460 Dave Jones: That you know, that's that's in line with the 376 00:22:53,460 --> 00:22:58,110 whole that's in line with the whole frustration I've had this 377 00:22:58,110 --> 00:23:01,020 week with all the what frustrated me this week was the 378 00:23:01,020 --> 00:23:06,600 digit just the whole digital ad supported. Podcasts, industrial 379 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,760 complex bullcrap. That was hilarious. 380 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,790 Adam Curry: If no one's making money. No one's paying money to 381 00:23:11,790 --> 00:23:16,500 the creators. They're stealing it. They've all these deals that 382 00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:20,430 were made with these networks all included guaranteed payouts, 383 00:23:20,430 --> 00:23:22,890 which are now they can't even make the guaranteed payout. It's 384 00:23:22,890 --> 00:23:23,640 crumbling. 385 00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:26,339 Dave Jones: Yeah, it's just fall. It's just falling apart. 386 00:23:26,369 --> 00:23:31,439 Yeah. And this is what gets me what gets me is the is the way 387 00:23:31,439 --> 00:23:32,789 that it's communicated. 388 00:23:33,090 --> 00:23:33,870 Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. 389 00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:38,310 Dave Jones: Can we just say, can we just simplify this and say, 390 00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:43,860 Look at look at any company. And if you if you really try your 391 00:23:43,860 --> 00:23:48,960 hardest to figure out how they make money, and you can't figure 392 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,510 it out? They're not making money? Can we just can we just 393 00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:54,960 say that they probably don't know either? Yeah, if you can't 394 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,170 figure it out, they probably can't figure it out, either. Or 395 00:23:58,170 --> 00:24:02,490 they're, you know, or they're embarrassed to tell you as you 396 00:24:02,490 --> 00:24:07,620 do, just like this whole thing. The the advertising based 397 00:24:07,650 --> 00:24:12,780 podcast industrial complex lives in a bubble that they live in 398 00:24:12,900 --> 00:24:18,420 podcast conference world, their number, their numbers are so 399 00:24:18,420 --> 00:24:25,320 misleading, like this. So this just a couple of things popped 400 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,100 out at me just from James's coverage this week in pod news. 401 00:24:29,730 --> 00:24:33,540 smi data from guideline which captures agency invoicing data 402 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,350 this is this is the crap that I hate these companies there's 403 00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:40,650 like 100 of these companies that all want to get into in the 404 00:24:40,650 --> 00:24:45,810 middle in in analyze your ad you know, do analytics and all this 405 00:24:45,810 --> 00:24:50,580 blue or analytics I like that Yeah. smi data from guideline 406 00:24:50,580 --> 00:24:54,030 which captures agency invoicing data says that podcast ad spend 407 00:24:54,270 --> 00:25:00,810 grew 57% in quarter two how now tell me how is That ething 408 00:25:00,810 --> 00:25:08,220 possible. Dropping. It says nearly one in four podcast 409 00:25:08,220 --> 00:25:14,220 dollars were spent in the tech category. Okay. We know people 410 00:25:14,220 --> 00:25:15,600 in the tech category who 411 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,620 Adam Curry: are scraping scraping by, yeah, who 412 00:25:19,620 --> 00:25:22,290 Dave Jones: you are, who runs successful shows with large 413 00:25:22,290 --> 00:25:28,710 audiences and who are hurting? How in God's name does this 414 00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:35,760 bullcrap fit with what I see with my eyeballs. But if you 415 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,730 live in the podcast, conference bubble, or the divergent digital 416 00:25:38,730 --> 00:25:43,110 advertising conference bubble, you start over time to think 417 00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:45,960 that's actually what it really what reality? 418 00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:48,990 Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, it's true. It's yeah, it's creating a false 419 00:25:49,470 --> 00:25:50,250 premise, 420 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,780 Dave Jones: you stop being able to see that the quote unquote 421 00:25:54,780 --> 00:25:59,280 industry is really just a collection of like, two strata 422 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:00,150 of businesses. 423 00:26:00,180 --> 00:26:02,250 Adam Curry: Yeah. But it's such a small, it's such a young 424 00:26:02,250 --> 00:26:04,290 industry, we're only just getting started, though. It's 425 00:26:04,290 --> 00:26:04,590 your 426 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,830 Dave Jones: 20 year, yeah, you got a small group of established 427 00:26:10,830 --> 00:26:15,510 companies that are on top, they have market share and revenue 428 00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:20,310 and enough cash flow not to die. And then you have a much larger, 429 00:26:20,340 --> 00:26:24,600 like tier under that of startups, that that'll say 430 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:29,520 anything necessary and produce any metrics necessary in order 431 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:34,200 to be acquired by that high by that desk here, yes. And achieve 432 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,240 an exit strategy or bullshit, 433 00:26:36,330 --> 00:26:38,670 Adam Curry: or there's a lot of people looking for funding right 434 00:26:38,670 --> 00:26:42,810 now. And so, you know, the, the appearances have to be kept up, 435 00:26:42,810 --> 00:26:47,040 while the funding round is ongoing. And I know several 436 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,300 companies that are doing this right now, I mean, the most, the 437 00:26:51,300 --> 00:26:56,610 clearest signal to me, because it it is a quote, unquote, free 438 00:26:56,610 --> 00:27:03,450 market is podcast, one stock price that really showed me 439 00:27:03,450 --> 00:27:07,980 everything I needed to know. And I think the the coverage has 440 00:27:07,980 --> 00:27:12,360 been incorrect. You know, they, they then would they, it wasn't 441 00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:16,260 a, it was a spin out not an initial public offering in the 442 00:27:16,260 --> 00:27:20,010 classic sense where they raised 100, or several 100 million 443 00:27:20,010 --> 00:27:24,180 dollars, now they spun it out. So it was already stocked that 444 00:27:24,180 --> 00:27:27,660 existed. And I just put part of it into a into a separate 445 00:27:27,660 --> 00:27:33,300 entity, and it was priced at $8. And the the true value is really 446 00:27:33,300 --> 00:27:36,870 about $2.70 where it is right now. And I just want to I want 447 00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:40,620 people to understand when you go public, and you and so there's 448 00:27:40,650 --> 00:27:45,300 there was people holding stock at a value of $8 in a drop down 449 00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:49,680 to 270. And, you know, people might have purchased that stock 450 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:57,210 for five, you know, in pre pre rounds or in employee stock 451 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,140 options, compensation. So this is severely underwater. In fact, 452 00:28:01,140 --> 00:28:04,770 it's so bad that the from what I can calculate and it's a little 453 00:28:04,770 --> 00:28:09,390 murky, the actual intrinsic value of the company based upon 454 00:28:09,390 --> 00:28:14,550 its income is is more than the actual stock so this is telling 455 00:28:14,550 --> 00:28:18,000 you that this is there's lying going on here 456 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,940 Dave Jones: that you're saying the book value of their assets 457 00:28:20,940 --> 00:28:23,580 Adam Curry: book value. Yeah, correct. Correct. Correct. 458 00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:26,370 Dave Jones: And that's, that's something they write Yeah, 459 00:28:26,370 --> 00:28:29,880 Adam Curry: and it just makes it makes me very unhappy people, 460 00:28:29,940 --> 00:28:33,750 the employees who have stock options probably at a lower 461 00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:38,730 strike price than the $8 but I don't think it's under three and 462 00:28:38,730 --> 00:28:41,670 I've been there I mean, I have literally been there with a with 463 00:28:41,700 --> 00:28:47,160 my own IPO we went the first day went from $7 to 725 and then had 464 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:53,730 a slide down to the fours and worked for two years almost 465 00:28:54,090 --> 00:28:57,210 really hard and reporting numbers and being proud we were 466 00:28:57,210 --> 00:29:01,590 profitable one penny but we were profitable and you know and 467 00:29:01,590 --> 00:29:07,650 eventually wound up going to you know 1314 But it's really really 468 00:29:07,650 --> 00:29:12,480 hard and it just shows that there's no belief in in this 469 00:29:12,510 --> 00:29:18,150 particular sector no belief and and the same goes for the 470 00:29:18,150 --> 00:29:22,410 Spotify is the comparable you know the stories are everywhere. 471 00:29:22,740 --> 00:29:25,710 Now, I don't think it's properly reported but 472 00:29:25,980 --> 00:29:30,000 Dave Jones: I'll have to give it to James he he made it so this 473 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:37,980 cast media podcast one coverage he a fairly stated you know, in 474 00:29:38,010 --> 00:29:41,130 I think it was in today's newsletter that, you know, hey, 475 00:29:41,130 --> 00:29:44,880 this is not an isolated incident. This is there's 476 00:29:44,910 --> 00:29:48,120 there's this is happening all over. And and he's right. I 477 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,410 mean, you have people that Nielsen is laying off 1000 478 00:29:52,410 --> 00:29:57,480 people you know, but hey CPMs are strong. Casper cast media 479 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:58,320 implode is 480 00:29:59,130 --> 00:30:02,940 Adam Curry: selling a B You see an ESPN but hey hey media is 481 00:30:02,940 --> 00:30:04,410 doing well. Yes. 482 00:30:04,980 --> 00:30:08,640 Dave Jones: How about the CPMs I mean like the rev the cat the 483 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,790 Cass media dudes like revenues per download fell off a cliff 484 00:30:11,790 --> 00:30:13,950 you know but then we get this other thing that says you know 485 00:30:13,950 --> 00:30:18,210 host reads you're doing great in PR laid off their whole podcast 486 00:30:18,210 --> 00:30:19,380 crew but downloads are up 487 00:30:20,250 --> 00:30:23,130 Adam Curry: on Spotify laid off their entire podcast group. 488 00:30:24,030 --> 00:30:28,110 Dave Jones: Yeah, it should be no but so but hey, the script 489 00:30:28,110 --> 00:30:31,140 ball squad cast so everything's great. It's this. This is all 490 00:30:31,140 --> 00:30:35,580 just a bunch of exit strategy. Everyone's talking Yes, the 491 00:30:35,580 --> 00:30:40,650 podcast industrial complex is just a navel gazing exit seeker 492 00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:47,370 the Silicon Valley hang on in there. They're in they're all 493 00:30:47,370 --> 00:30:50,910 using this like this other big story this week. That was 494 00:30:51,330 --> 00:30:56,970 annoying was the like this arts AI and Clara toss the two 495 00:30:56,970 --> 00:31:00,360 companies I'd never heard of. So I go looking into one of these 496 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,760 there everybody was all hot and bothered to tell you to declare 497 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:07,470 toss acquired arts a I like, Okay, another exit strategy 498 00:31:07,470 --> 00:31:10,440 bullcrap thing, I'm sure. So go look into, like, what do they 499 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,820 do? Oh, it's tracking pixels, there going to be attribution. 500 00:31:14,970 --> 00:31:18,030 You know, an attribution is so accurate because, you know, 501 00:31:18,210 --> 00:31:21,570 we're everybody likes to add, you know, MGM is like you sent 502 00:31:21,570 --> 00:31:25,470 me that article, MGM is now claiming the their ransomware 503 00:31:25,470 --> 00:31:29,700 breach was now it's the run now is not Russian. He's attribution 504 00:31:29,940 --> 00:31:35,490 attribution. Everybody wants. So like, this is all just a bunch 505 00:31:35,490 --> 00:31:39,630 of what what the RSA? I think it's, it's a tracking pixel. 506 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,600 That's what that's that's their whole business is a tracking 507 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:48,060 pixel. And it's a bunch of stalker level. Crap. And I hate 508 00:31:48,060 --> 00:31:54,000 it. I hate all of it. We'll just admit that Spotify that just 509 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,200 didn't mid Spotify came in with a billion dollars. Yeah. 510 00:31:58,230 --> 00:32:02,730 Distorted everybody's decision making process. In the podcast 511 00:32:02,730 --> 00:32:05,070 industrial complex. The podcasting industry is not 512 00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:08,010 fundamentally different than it was five years ago, before 513 00:32:08,010 --> 00:32:11,760 Spotify came in here. A high roller showed up and everybody 514 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,580 got greedy. Yes. At the end of story. Failure. Yes. 515 00:32:14,610 --> 00:32:16,260 Adam Curry: And that's why people say it's a very young 516 00:32:16,260 --> 00:32:18,750 industry, because they really go back and say, well, it's really 517 00:32:18,750 --> 00:32:22,680 only been going since 2016. And it really got rolling with Joe 518 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,970 Rogan. But yeah, it's all based on exits. It's all based on 519 00:32:26,970 --> 00:32:30,420 exits, and we're in we're in a, we're in an interesting spot 520 00:32:30,420 --> 00:32:34,320 right now. With value for value. Okay, let me step back and say 521 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,220 one thing I've said all the time, because I did it, I went 522 00:32:38,220 --> 00:32:40,920 through this curve. And it wasn't just early or anything 523 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,160 like that. In fact, podcasting was front page news everywhere. 524 00:32:44,340 --> 00:32:48,810 In 2007 2008. It got snowed under once the YouTube 525 00:32:48,810 --> 00:32:52,470 acquisition happened because it was $2 billion. No one's No, 526 00:32:52,530 --> 00:32:55,680 that's all everyone cared about, let alone what would it cost 527 00:32:55,710 --> 00:32:58,830 Google to keep that running? until they finally had some 528 00:32:58,830 --> 00:33:04,530 revenue going? You cannot monetize the network. I've said 529 00:33:04,530 --> 00:33:08,400 it time and time again, it does not work. This is an inherently 530 00:33:09,420 --> 00:33:14,580 decentralized medium. Can you as an individual podcaster make a 531 00:33:14,580 --> 00:33:20,340 living with advertising? Yes, most definitely. But it's only 532 00:33:20,340 --> 00:33:24,570 going to work. If you have direct contact with the 533 00:33:24,570 --> 00:33:30,570 advertiser. They understand what you do. They're a part of either 534 00:33:30,570 --> 00:33:33,300 your community, I've always seen it kind of like bridesmaid 535 00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:38,550 magazine. I think host reads are the only way it really works. 536 00:33:41,010 --> 00:33:44,850 And it's dangerous, because you can lose, you can lose that one 537 00:33:44,850 --> 00:33:48,840 advertiser or those couple of advertisers. But it just has 538 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,990 been proven, you ride the wave, you have to ride the wave the 539 00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:54,840 wave up and you ride the wave. But it has been proven time and 540 00:33:54,840 --> 00:34:00,150 again, that you can't do it at scale. You can't then Spotify 541 00:34:00,150 --> 00:34:03,780 tried it at huge scale, put a billion dollars into it. 542 00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:09,240 Everyone Everyone agrees it failed. And there's there's all 543 00:34:09,240 --> 00:34:13,140 kinds of reasons that that happens. The main one, I think 544 00:34:13,140 --> 00:34:17,010 is that they they distorted the whole business model by paying 545 00:34:17,250 --> 00:34:22,320 exorbitant prices for creators and producers and had to man yo 546 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:27,570 had Neumann mics and, like, that's not the model. Now. It 547 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:32,250 just doesn't work that way. Now, I think, above tech podcast, you 548 00:34:32,250 --> 00:34:35,340 know, they were doing really, really well and they had mainly 549 00:34:35,340 --> 00:34:38,310 Linode as their as their sponsor. I think everything else 550 00:34:38,340 --> 00:34:41,370 went kind of went by the wayside. This was you know, was 551 00:34:41,370 --> 00:34:44,880 minor in what it was doing. And then Linode gets purchased. 552 00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:47,790 People change, you know, so you know, you still have to run a 553 00:34:47,790 --> 00:34:51,420 business. Not everybody has the right to earn money for their 554 00:34:51,420 --> 00:34:55,830 podcast. In fact, I would say 95% of most podcasts are not 555 00:34:55,830 --> 00:34:59,970 outstanding products, but they may be very valuable for you 556 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,560 Community for your club for your, for your school, whatever 557 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,430 it is, that can be extremely valuable. But trying to run it 558 00:35:08,430 --> 00:35:11,820 like a replacement for the media business. It won't work. It's 559 00:35:11,820 --> 00:35:14,910 been how many times do we have to say it won't work that way? 560 00:35:16,170 --> 00:35:19,320 Dave Jones: Yeah, well, Somebody contacted me this week, and 561 00:35:19,350 --> 00:35:23,130 somebody we know and said that, you know, they've got a longtime 562 00:35:23,130 --> 00:35:28,320 advertiser that's, you know, supports them really well. And 563 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,890 now they're wanting to use one of these ad ad tracking 564 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:37,020 analytics companies to put their one to put a like a prefix. 565 00:35:37,170 --> 00:35:40,410 Yeah. into their, into their down. Yeah, they want metrics. 566 00:35:40,410 --> 00:35:44,250 They want metric. They want metrics in that. And so, you 567 00:35:44,250 --> 00:35:46,770 know, this person was like, hey, you know, I'm a little bothered 568 00:35:46,770 --> 00:35:50,670 by this, because our, our, our podcast audience is very privacy 569 00:35:50,670 --> 00:35:53,700 focused. That's, that's one of the things that we talk about a 570 00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:57,990 lot on our podcast. And now I'm being asked to put in this 571 00:35:57,990 --> 00:36:01,560 creepy tracking stuff in here. And and I don't know, but, but 572 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,400 if I don't do it, then I may lose the sponsor. Like, I hate 573 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:14,670 all of this crap. It's all so gross. Yes, I mean, the in you 574 00:36:14,670 --> 00:36:17,520 know, you have these, you can tell, but you can tell because 575 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:22,830 the companies that are focused on this, they don't play ball 576 00:36:22,980 --> 00:36:24,780 with podcasting. 2.0. 577 00:36:24,810 --> 00:36:26,670 Adam Curry: No, because they need closed systems for 578 00:36:26,670 --> 00:36:27,450 attribution. 579 00:36:28,140 --> 00:36:30,570 Dave Jones: Yeah, and that, but they will tell you all day long 580 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,320 people like a cast, they will say all day long. We're open for 581 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,350 open podcasting, open podcasting, open podcasting. No, 582 00:36:37,350 --> 00:36:40,440 your marketing company, your digital advertising company, and 583 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,560 you're not playing, you're not doing anything with furthering 584 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:48,270 the open podcast RSS specifications. Don't act like 585 00:36:48,270 --> 00:36:53,190 you are because you're not here you are. You're in it to sell 586 00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:56,160 ads, just like ever, just like all these other companies are no 587 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,950 different than any of these other companies. You just claim 588 00:36:58,950 --> 00:37:03,330 to be because everybody's like, Oh, great, that's awesome. But 589 00:37:03,330 --> 00:37:06,780 there's no if you don't ever do anything, then it's all just 590 00:37:06,780 --> 00:37:07,740 empty words. 591 00:37:08,490 --> 00:37:11,010 Adam Curry: Well, none of them are making money. None of the 592 00:37:11,010 --> 00:37:14,100 networks that I know of see as becoming your blog are actually 593 00:37:14,100 --> 00:37:16,530 pointed to you said this network is making money. But okay, 594 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:22,920 maybe. I'm not so sure about what that means. But there's so 595 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:29,700 many dynamics in a in a podcast network, that that just don't 596 00:37:29,730 --> 00:37:33,990 work in a business sense. And that's because anybody can reach 597 00:37:34,020 --> 00:37:38,370 the network. There's no, it only works when it's linear time 598 00:37:38,370 --> 00:37:42,210 based media, like cable or broadcast television. It only 599 00:37:42,210 --> 00:37:45,480 works when it's behind a paywall, and you see more and 600 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,530 more podcasts going behind paywalls for so called premium 601 00:37:49,530 --> 00:37:53,400 content that this thing has always bothered me. What you're 602 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,450 listening to now is crap. Pay me for the good stuff. Yes. It's 603 00:37:57,450 --> 00:38:02,880 like what a drug dealer? I mean, what is this? This is Frank, and 604 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:08,040 the good stuff is behind the paywall. So none of that is is 605 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:13,140 honest, none of it is good. A very small handful of people 606 00:38:13,140 --> 00:38:16,350 will still only make the money and really for the listeners, it 607 00:38:16,350 --> 00:38:21,420 limits the choice. I can't even I can't have 25 subscriptions. 608 00:38:21,690 --> 00:38:22,230 Can 609 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,620 Dave Jones: I'm already having to make decisions already. And 610 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,620 I've only got, you know, four or five of these things. And I'm 611 00:38:28,620 --> 00:38:31,770 already like, Okay, I'll get like, what if I want to replace 612 00:38:31,770 --> 00:38:35,190 one with another, I have to make a decision, like paywalls 613 00:38:35,220 --> 00:38:40,140 paywalls, don't do what people think they do. know, they, they 614 00:38:40,140 --> 00:38:43,530 aren't what you think they are, they only stop the people that 615 00:38:43,530 --> 00:38:46,260 wouldn't have paid you anyway, from listening, 616 00:38:46,620 --> 00:38:49,590 Adam Curry: which is the same as value for value, you're not 617 00:38:49,590 --> 00:38:53,130 going to get everybody to send you value, it's only going to be 618 00:38:53,130 --> 00:38:57,810 three or 4%. It may be the same three or 4%. Who would pay for 619 00:38:57,810 --> 00:39:02,970 it. But it's amazing. If you ask someone to subscribe, and it's 620 00:39:02,970 --> 00:39:06,060 $5 a month, that same person probably would have given you 15 621 00:39:06,060 --> 00:39:09,480 If you just ask them, for you for them to help you out. That's 622 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:10,770 my experience. 623 00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:13,110 Dave Jones: They had that long conversation on the accidental 624 00:39:13,110 --> 00:39:15,660 tech podcast the other day about their advertising being down and 625 00:39:15,660 --> 00:39:18,030 what you know, what do we do? Do we increase the price of the 626 00:39:18,030 --> 00:39:21,930 subscription? You know, and I was like, no, no, no, no, no. 627 00:39:22,770 --> 00:39:27,540 Take the lid off. Just take the proper, the proper solution to 628 00:39:27,540 --> 00:39:33,120 this is not to raise the floor. But to take off the ceiling. You 629 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:38,820 know you don't don't like don't raise the floor up so that you 630 00:39:38,820 --> 00:39:43,470 exclude even more people. Take the ceiling off. Let people pay 631 00:39:43,470 --> 00:39:46,980 whatever they want. You're gonna have some you're gonna have some 632 00:39:46,980 --> 00:39:51,570 people that will that will only pay you 234 Or five bucks a 633 00:39:51,570 --> 00:39:55,530 month, or when or whenever they want. But you're going to have 634 00:39:55,620 --> 00:39:58,200 you're going to have some small percentage that's going to pay 635 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:02,400 you way, way more than In the $8 you're charging for your pay 636 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:07,410 wall. It's it's just like the pay wall just doesn't function 637 00:40:07,410 --> 00:40:09,930 the way people think people think that the pay wall is a 638 00:40:09,930 --> 00:40:17,310 solution to give them like a stable monthly income. But it 639 00:40:17,310 --> 00:40:20,370 can't the street look at the streaming videos look at the 640 00:40:20,370 --> 00:40:27,600 streaming video channels like Netflix, Paramount Max, yeah, 641 00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:32,460 they are, there's, there's a subscription churn that's 642 00:40:32,460 --> 00:40:36,120 happening, people are bailing out, it's not, it's not going to 643 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,990 make you any more stable than you would than it would if you 644 00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:44,820 just did value for value disabil the stability is a is a it's a 645 00:40:44,820 --> 00:40:49,200 fog, it's a myth, your your value for value, where you just 646 00:40:49,230 --> 00:40:53,280 open it up and say you just pay me whatever you want. That that 647 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,540 is that's gonna give you more rev is gonna give you more 648 00:40:57,540 --> 00:41:02,850 income, and less of this bailout stuff where you constantly have 649 00:41:02,850 --> 00:41:05,910 to manage these memberships and all this and it's gonna less 650 00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:08,280 it's gonna be so much less frustrating to your audience. 651 00:41:09,150 --> 00:41:12,540 Adam Curry: That said, I think there I'm gonna go back to music 652 00:41:12,540 --> 00:41:18,150 for a moment because there is a this opportunity of music and 653 00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:24,660 podcasts is so large is so huge that everybody can benefit 654 00:41:24,690 --> 00:41:29,310 artists first and foremost, and I think we'll see a free market 655 00:41:29,310 --> 00:41:34,350 develop between the wallet switching. So if you have a 656 00:41:34,350 --> 00:41:37,230 playlist, I can see where someone has a very popular 657 00:41:37,230 --> 00:41:41,820 playlist and they put their wallet share their wallet 658 00:41:41,820 --> 00:41:50,190 switching share at 10% instead of 5% because they just they 659 00:41:50,190 --> 00:41:55,290 just bring in that much value if you're on that list. I can see 660 00:41:55,290 --> 00:41:58,380 the same working for podcast right now everyone kind of has 661 00:41:58,380 --> 00:42:06,690 it at 95% for the artist but together we can completely 662 00:42:06,690 --> 00:42:11,190 replaced two industries at once the music discovery industry 663 00:42:11,460 --> 00:42:17,670 which is radio playlists algorithms, to a degree perhaps 664 00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:24,930 YouTube and the music industry itself and and the proof here is 665 00:42:24,930 --> 00:42:27,960 that there is no difference between what we're doing and 666 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,870 what radio is whether you're playing one song and your 667 00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:34,350 podcast just because you like it because your your your a God 668 00:42:34,350 --> 00:42:38,430 cast or you do a sermon and you play a worship song. Whether 669 00:42:38,430 --> 00:42:42,180 you're you know whether you're doing full on like music, radio 670 00:42:42,180 --> 00:42:48,210 stuff, everybody can win and then the world wants it. We are 671 00:42:48,210 --> 00:42:56,820 typically very behind I see RSS blue. Dobby does a great job on 672 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,380 on getting music to upload but I want to warn everybody for 673 00:43:01,380 --> 00:43:07,800 something. And so this is what got me down a little bit this 674 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,760 morning and then I realized that this was the enemy's work. So I 675 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,150 wrote an article for Bitcoin magazine for the paper Bitcoin 676 00:43:15,150 --> 00:43:20,190 magazine. And the latest episode latest edition has come out and 677 00:43:20,190 --> 00:43:23,790 my article is not in it. What I've been informed is there 678 00:43:23,820 --> 00:43:28,500 instead is an article called Gimme Shelter withdrawing the 679 00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:32,760 music industry by Craig Deutsch. And in it is everything wave 680 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:37,440 Lake boost Joe Martin everything except podcasting. 2.0 Any 681 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,520 mention of what we're doing? Really? Yeah, I have not read it 682 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,820 myself. So but um, so But I already understand what happened 683 00:43:44,820 --> 00:43:45,090 there. 684 00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:48,960 Dave Jones: And this is a bunch of I'm not mad, 685 00:43:48,990 --> 00:43:53,970 Adam Curry: I'm not mad. I'm not mad. I'm not mad I am. I think 686 00:43:53,970 --> 00:43:57,570 it's great because it brings attention to what we're doing. 687 00:43:58,260 --> 00:44:02,040 But we have to realize that there are venture capital funded 688 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:08,550 companies who believe believe that it is just people going to 689 00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:12,720 a website and clicking booths that is making this happen. And 690 00:44:12,750 --> 00:44:16,590 we have the data to show that that's not true. It's coming 691 00:44:16,590 --> 00:44:20,490 from these podcasts that that are switching wallets, in the 692 00:44:20,490 --> 00:44:23,550 podcast. And that's what's getting the big boost and mainly 693 00:44:23,550 --> 00:44:27,330 from live podcast. I mean, behind the schemes, all the 694 00:44:27,330 --> 00:44:30,990 blueberry stuff, this is where it's all coming from, you know, 695 00:44:31,590 --> 00:44:36,720 booster gram ball, and this is what is exciting and because 696 00:44:36,750 --> 00:44:41,550 it's so good. You're seeing an industrial complex that is that 697 00:44:41,550 --> 00:44:46,800 is trained and is been built that who come from an industry 698 00:44:47,130 --> 00:44:51,600 naturally trying to do what they know and that is recreate the 699 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:57,570 industry but they're doing it poorly. So in as much as I love 700 00:44:57,570 --> 00:45:02,730 what wavelike has done. Not having Blitz, and, you know, I 701 00:45:02,730 --> 00:45:06,360 don't know if it's coming, I hear it's on on the roadmap, but 702 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:11,700 I hear I hear, you know, more talk about noster than I hear 703 00:45:11,700 --> 00:45:14,550 about, you know, something that's actually working, which 704 00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:15,210 is okay. 705 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,220 Dave Jones: You know, I mean, but you know, and, and on noster 706 00:45:20,220 --> 00:45:26,010 you get stuff like the Fiat Jas rant about how horrible RSS is 707 00:45:26,010 --> 00:45:30,570 and it needs to go away. I'm like, this, this is all so 708 00:45:30,570 --> 00:45:38,400 stupid. Because the the RSS based podcast ecosystem is a 20 709 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:44,100 year mature, content delivery system that already works you 710 00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:48,360 have, there's nothing to build people. There's nothing there to 711 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,020 build, it's built, it already functions. And you're gonna 712 00:45:52,020 --> 00:45:57,150 throw all of that away, and go into this relay based noster 713 00:45:57,150 --> 00:46:00,870 thing that we don't even have the time note, you can't even 714 00:46:00,870 --> 00:46:04,140 figure out, you don't even know whether your posts are on one 715 00:46:04,140 --> 00:46:09,840 relay or another. This is all so stupid, is the bit I love 716 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:15,480 Bitcoin as a protocol. And as a as a specification, and as a 717 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:20,670 currency. But the people within the Bitcoin world can be just as 718 00:46:20,670 --> 00:46:24,630 toxic as anybody else. They aggravate the crap out of me. 719 00:46:24,930 --> 00:46:30,480 And they are not this this benevolent, you know, own 720 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:35,820 freedom loving people. They're just as Vc addicted as everybody 721 00:46:35,820 --> 00:46:36,300 else. 722 00:46:36,660 --> 00:46:40,980 Adam Curry: Correct. And right now, there's only one VC in that 723 00:46:40,980 --> 00:46:46,770 world. And and that's Jack Dorsey. Yeah, he's he is the VC. 724 00:46:48,450 --> 00:46:53,760 So what I realized from this is, we have to go back to the same 725 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,940 way we started with value for value for podcasting, we have to 726 00:46:56,940 --> 00:47:03,300 evangelize it. I know that what I what I want is I want to 727 00:47:04,020 --> 00:47:08,490 communicate to our hosting partners in crime, that this is 728 00:47:08,490 --> 00:47:13,620 not taken care of, by, you know, one or two websites that allow 729 00:47:13,620 --> 00:47:18,630 you to upload some music half ass and, you know, and, and, you 730 00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:20,760 know, there's all kinds of things that haven't been thought 731 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,630 through, like, Why does Ainslie Costello have three RSS feeds 732 00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:27,720 instead of one, you know, is that the way it's built? Is that 733 00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:30,210 the way it's communicated, you know, all things that don't make 734 00:47:30,210 --> 00:47:33,300 a lot of sense. I'm glad that all of it makes its way into the 735 00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:38,310 index. I'm super appreciative that it's all RSS based, but the 736 00:47:38,310 --> 00:47:44,130 opportunity is, is walking past because I can just see the 737 00:47:44,130 --> 00:47:46,770 meetings or not, you know, it's like I or whatever, you know, 738 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:51,240 where's what we desperately need right now today, is we need 739 00:47:52,770 --> 00:47:57,840 hosting companies to enable people to add remote items in 740 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:02,010 their feed. And I know it's like you got to sit down, you got to 741 00:48:02,100 --> 00:48:06,270 be wrap your head around it. But if we and I'm sure RSS blue 742 00:48:06,270 --> 00:48:09,180 seems to be ahead of the curve, but even Dolby das like Nah, I'm 743 00:48:09,180 --> 00:48:14,670 not there yet. And we have all the API's, you can ping podcast 744 00:48:14,670 --> 00:48:19,650 index, to search for a song and then add it to like, Okay, I 745 00:48:19,650 --> 00:48:22,920 played a song at five minutes and 30 seconds, here's the name 746 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,160 of the song, I can see it already in my mind, in the 747 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:30,540 publishing interface, click, it's added and the remote item 748 00:48:30,570 --> 00:48:35,010 is added into your feed. That's, that's the tool that we need. 749 00:48:35,550 --> 00:48:40,350 And until we get a groundswell of that, you're gonna see 750 00:48:40,380 --> 00:48:45,690 failure, the failure of artists being disappointed putting music 751 00:48:45,690 --> 00:48:48,570 up not getting a lot of traction, because we literally 752 00:48:48,570 --> 00:48:53,820 can't create enough podcast to build the industry. That is that 753 00:48:53,820 --> 00:48:57,120 is, it's I mean, I'm sticking my tongue out. I'm licking the 754 00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,650 cherry. I taste it. I can taste it. Right there. It's right. 755 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:02,640 It's right there. Thank 756 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,230 Dave Jones: you for that image. Yes, yeah. 757 00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:08,130 Adam Curry: And the to be fair, we have great tools, we have 758 00:49:08,310 --> 00:49:12,060 sovereign feeds, we have split kit, but that's obviously 759 00:49:12,660 --> 00:49:15,900 overkill for most people who just want to do a music based 760 00:49:15,900 --> 00:49:20,760 podcast or want to add one song into their existing podcast. 761 00:49:20,910 --> 00:49:24,390 That's that's the low hanging fruit. Hey, you can play this 762 00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:29,700 song and share the share the value with the artist just by 763 00:49:29,700 --> 00:49:34,770 clicking on this button typing in the song and hitting go add 764 00:49:34,770 --> 00:49:38,130 it to your podcast, that's literally all that it would take 765 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:44,910 just to have that would increase everybody's value everybody. And 766 00:49:44,940 --> 00:49:49,770 and, you know, this is very typical. The media has grabbed 767 00:49:49,770 --> 00:49:53,130 on to what the media knows is old school way the old fashioned 768 00:49:53,130 --> 00:49:57,570 way thinking that tipping is working somehow. And, and 769 00:49:57,570 --> 00:50:01,050 there's going to be attention and money flowing toward it. And 770 00:50:01,050 --> 00:50:03,690 that's what that's exactly what the enemy does is trying to 771 00:50:03,690 --> 00:50:07,200 distract us and get us all mad about it. But I want to pivot. 772 00:50:07,500 --> 00:50:11,820 And I want to appeal once again to the hosting partners. And I 773 00:50:11,820 --> 00:50:15,240 will work and be in any meeting just like we do with value for 774 00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:18,990 value and or even any, any part of the namespace will will talk 775 00:50:18,990 --> 00:50:22,230 with your team, I will talk with your team. So we can get this 776 00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:25,890 implemented. Because the opportunity is enormous. The 777 00:50:25,890 --> 00:50:29,580 amount of tracks being added on a daily basis is mind blowing. 778 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:34,050 The quality of the music is is off the chart. It is in fact, 779 00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:37,620 every single song that I'm playing our hits, and people are 780 00:50:37,620 --> 00:50:40,020 singing these in their head when they wake up in the morning. 781 00:50:40,530 --> 00:50:45,600 This is this is a new uptake for podcasting. That has not existed 782 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:50,070 you most podcasts don't have music, turn on the radio, do you 783 00:50:50,070 --> 00:50:54,480 hear the difference? This is what we can do. We can 784 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:59,310 completely create new industries that anybody can benefit from if 785 00:50:59,310 --> 00:51:01,200 they just want to play in the open system. 786 00:51:01,860 --> 00:51:04,170 Dave Jones: Yeah, so you know, I mentioned I think I mentioned 787 00:51:04,170 --> 00:51:08,460 last week, you know, audio books is next. Absolutely. Meat and 788 00:51:08,460 --> 00:51:13,200 medium equals medium equals audio book you have. So look at 789 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:21,090 what's in the index, we have hundreds of feeds, from Librivox 790 00:51:21,780 --> 00:51:27,750 and independent contributors to opening a two that have recorded 791 00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:35,310 audio books, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds. One good 792 00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:41,370 audio podcast based audio book app, yeah, yeah, we'll blow the 793 00:51:41,370 --> 00:51:44,430 doors off. And then you add a value block in it. And now 794 00:51:44,430 --> 00:51:47,790 they're not just doing it for free now they can get some some 795 00:51:47,790 --> 00:51:53,970 value. Yeah. And it just exactly the same as music. This, this is 796 00:51:54,390 --> 00:52:02,640 the the pod the RSS ecosystem is so rich, and so beautifully 797 00:52:03,030 --> 00:52:08,280 constructed. And and so fully functional as it is today. All 798 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,480 it takes is little tweaks to get to blow this just blow the lid 799 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,350 off these things. Yeah. And it made that that is I would 800 00:52:16,350 --> 00:52:23,700 encourage I really would, I would encourage people to stop 801 00:52:24,210 --> 00:52:30,150 trying to please stop trying to reinvent things and just in Look 802 00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:39,030 around you. So our RSS, RSS is is free. It's open. It's well 803 00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:43,410 supported. It's got it's just XML so every there's got a 804 00:52:43,410 --> 00:52:47,940 million libraries that already work with it. It's it's simple 805 00:52:47,940 --> 00:52:55,680 to to wrap your head around. And it there is absolutely no reason 806 00:52:56,130 --> 00:52:59,070 to ignore it as a distribution mechanism. 807 00:52:59,100 --> 00:53:01,920 Adam Curry: I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you this the first hosting 808 00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,250 company because I mean right now I'm promoting sovereign feeds 809 00:53:05,250 --> 00:53:08,610 and split kit, which is it's just daunting. It's daunting for 810 00:53:08,610 --> 00:53:12,090 people but the early adopters are coming in and I'm promoting 811 00:53:12,090 --> 00:53:16,890 their shows as much as possible. But the first hosting company 812 00:53:17,130 --> 00:53:22,320 that enables this for music, I am going to bring 1000s of new 813 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:26,790 customers to your door 1000s I promise you the first the first 814 00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:31,080 500 will be frustrated radio DJs because I got I've got him 815 00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,870 sending me their shows. Here's my show. I don't understand what 816 00:53:33,870 --> 00:53:37,560 to do. I how do I do the wallet switching technology What do I 817 00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,680 do? Can you do it for me? Yeah, I'll create a feed all hosted 818 00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,800 for you. Adam curry does not scale but 819 00:53:49,890 --> 00:53:54,270 I will bring 1000s of new customers to your door. And if 820 00:53:54,270 --> 00:53:58,530 you add music to it, I will bring 10s of 1000s of new 821 00:53:58,530 --> 00:54:02,550 customers to you do I want to hear James Cridland say this 822 00:54:02,550 --> 00:54:07,620 week? Could 50,000 new podcasts were created with music on 823 00:54:07,620 --> 00:54:13,320 Buzzsprout now that's the kind of stuff that we that is that is 824 00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:18,330 for the taking here for the taking nearly everything we do 825 00:54:18,330 --> 00:54:20,490 oh there's not a lot of new podcasts being created. It's 826 00:54:20,490 --> 00:54:25,800 down Yeah. Hello. This is your new market. The tam is endless. 827 00:54:26,100 --> 00:54:31,860 I love saying Tam. What is Tam? total addressable market? No, 828 00:54:31,890 --> 00:54:39,540 that's a VC word. I slipped it in on you didn't I? This is the 829 00:54:39,540 --> 00:54:41,730 opportunity. This is the opportunity and you know what 830 00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:46,530 artists they will also pay they will pay for a good wallet for 831 00:54:46,530 --> 00:54:50,670 good for a good to see their booster grams to you know to 832 00:54:50,670 --> 00:54:53,580 really get a good experience and to be able to manage their music 833 00:54:53,580 --> 00:54:58,320 be able to change things, reorder things. Put you know 834 00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,490 have a feed that contains layer bricks, and all of this Why are 835 00:55:02,490 --> 00:55:03,750 you laughing? Why you're after? 836 00:55:06,750 --> 00:55:08,070 Dave Jones: The trolls are 837 00:55:08,850 --> 00:55:14,310 Adam Curry: I surprised too much. So, the API is there, it's 838 00:55:14,310 --> 00:55:17,490 all there. In fact, I'm gonna go into you know, I use em air list 839 00:55:17,490 --> 00:55:22,410 for, for my system, which is this German guy is closed 840 00:55:22,410 --> 00:55:25,470 source, but he has just one guy and his whole community, 841 00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,920 Dave Jones: this your, your entire okay, this is the entire 842 00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:36,810 the entire Adam curry stack is is is a series of software by 843 00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:45,180 quote this one guy might be a German guy. He's just the German 844 00:55:45,180 --> 00:55:45,960 the German guy. 845 00:55:46,140 --> 00:55:49,230 Adam Curry: Yes, yeah, that's right. Yeah, and I'm just trying 846 00:55:49,230 --> 00:55:52,980 to tie all of these little one guy outfits together to make one 847 00:55:52,980 --> 00:55:55,830 thing. And so, you know, I realized that here, I have this 848 00:55:55,830 --> 00:56:00,570 beautiful playout system, and it has a REST API. And I want it to 849 00:56:00,570 --> 00:56:03,990 query the index. So I can do a search, find the song and play 850 00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:06,960 it and drag it right into my playout system, instead of 851 00:56:07,140 --> 00:56:10,860 finding the song going to the index, downloading the song 852 00:56:10,860 --> 00:56:14,730 naming the song, you know, then dragging it into the playout 853 00:56:14,730 --> 00:56:19,530 system. I mean, this is the kind of stuff that that brings magic, 854 00:56:19,590 --> 00:56:23,580 once you have their disc jockeys using the software, once they 855 00:56:23,580 --> 00:56:28,650 see oh, I can tie in this whole this whole category of music and 856 00:56:28,650 --> 00:56:32,400 why wouldn't this thing output an RSS feed or, or the value 857 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,250 time split block all of this stuff? I can see it in front of 858 00:56:35,250 --> 00:56:40,890 me. Anyway, this is a big so this is a big, big, big market. 859 00:56:42,180 --> 00:56:45,990 Dave Jones: Okay, so what What tool do you need in in in their 860 00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:46,500 list? 861 00:56:46,980 --> 00:56:49,680 Adam Curry: Forget about me. I don't I don't want to I don't 862 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,920 want to complicate things. I'm covered. Okay, I can use the 863 00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,980 Split kid. It all works. You know, I got to jump through 864 00:56:55,980 --> 00:56:59,400 hoops and the extra hand while I'm doing the live show. And 865 00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,280 that's just a touch myself, because I'm so excited. But 866 00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:02,850 really 867 00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,450 Dave Jones: what Jeff, who's saying that song by the way, 868 00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,380 Adam Curry: to vinyls, the vinyls. When I think about you, 869 00:57:10,410 --> 00:57:15,150 I touch myself. Yeah. And we're there and I just want one one 870 00:57:15,150 --> 00:57:22,890 hosting company to be able to query the index for the song 871 00:57:22,890 --> 00:57:26,130 that someone played in their in their show during the during the 872 00:57:26,130 --> 00:57:29,490 publish process. Oh, you played a song? What was it? This is the 873 00:57:29,490 --> 00:57:34,170 song. When did you play it at this at this time? It's not it's 874 00:57:34,170 --> 00:57:36,720 not that hard. Make it a part of the chapters process. You could 875 00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:41,760 even do that perhaps. And then boom, pulling the remote item. 876 00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:47,400 It's all there. You're good to go. And, and suddenly you have 877 00:57:47,610 --> 00:57:50,910 people knocking down your door who are like, Hey, I hear from 878 00:57:50,910 --> 00:57:53,580 Adam curry that this is the place I can do my music podcast 879 00:57:53,580 --> 00:58:00,300 show. That's it. And and then maybe although I'm big fan of 880 00:58:00,300 --> 00:58:04,140 the of the sovereign hosting, and I love the community, Steven 881 00:58:04,140 --> 00:58:09,330 Bella, setting up with the music side project, I adore it. I 882 00:58:09,330 --> 00:58:12,510 really do. It's so beautiful. And it's so tailored. I mean, 883 00:58:12,510 --> 00:58:16,590 there's your example right there. Steven Steven takes a 884 00:58:16,590 --> 00:58:19,920 piece of that he's got his own business going. He's smart. He's 885 00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,190 taking a piece of the value block was suggested even I don't 886 00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:25,200 think he's taking it. He's saying hey, would you put us in 887 00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:33,720 for 5% He's going to beat you but it's gonna take it's gonna 888 00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:37,050 take a long time if the hosting companies just sit around and 889 00:58:37,050 --> 00:58:41,040 don't do anything. Because it's you know, it's complicated or 890 00:58:41,070 --> 00:58:46,680 whatever wave legs got it covered or noster No, no, 891 00:58:46,740 --> 00:58:49,650 Dave Jones: I feel bad I brought bitchiness to the show today. 892 00:58:49,740 --> 00:58:55,110 Adam Curry: No, no it's not everything is good. Wave Lake is 893 00:58:55,110 --> 00:58:57,540 good. It's all good. 894 00:58:59,130 --> 00:59:02,460 Dave Jones: It's just the Bitcoin the Bitcoin bro fast is 895 00:59:02,460 --> 00:59:08,970 not good. I'm done with that grab the the Bitcoin. So you 896 00:59:08,970 --> 00:59:16,440 know like Pura Vida, bro economy economy I hate that crap. I'm 897 00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,960 totally done with it. I'm just I'm just so fed up with the 898 00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:23,640 whole thing. Well, well nice of them not publishing your article 899 00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:28,320 and instead publishing some VC VC back scratch article. That is 900 00:59:28,860 --> 00:59:34,410 That's very frustrating. Today 901 00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,950 Adam Curry: Yeah, but this but I'm, I'm it's forgiven. It's 902 00:59:37,950 --> 00:59:40,950 okay. I understand. It's actually good. I see it as a 903 00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:44,010 good thing because it brings attention, but I want our 904 00:59:44,010 --> 00:59:47,730 community to understand that the opportunity is there. Let's not 905 00:59:47,730 --> 00:59:51,690 just let it slip away and then only be harder to get back each 906 00:59:51,690 --> 00:59:56,070 time. The artists are excited. I'm getting people send. I have 907 00:59:56,100 --> 01:00:01,350 I use pod page for carrying the keeper for histogram ball, some 908 01:00:01,350 --> 01:00:06,630 friends of mine use it. And, and I've never ever, ever received 909 01:00:07,350 --> 01:00:10,830 any kind of feedback from it has an automatic like you can fill 910 01:00:10,830 --> 01:00:14,280 in a message a feedback form has a contact form. And I didn't 911 01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,730 even know it worked there, but you just fill in your email 912 01:00:17,730 --> 01:00:20,850 address, you fill out a message and there's no subject and all 913 01:00:20,850 --> 01:00:25,230 of a sudden, I have five emails a day through this contact form, 914 01:00:25,830 --> 01:00:30,780 saying, hey, music Yeah, hey, can I can you play my track on 915 01:00:30,780 --> 01:00:35,370 your show? I'm like, No, but if you go to music side 916 01:00:35,370 --> 01:00:41,400 project.com wavelength.com. And now I'm adding RSS blue.com send 917 01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,470 me the link once it's uploaded, and then I'll take it into 918 01:00:43,470 --> 01:00:48,900 consideration. Five a Day. And he even got one mom was like, 919 01:00:48,900 --> 01:00:54,090 hey, my son. He's been working on this for a long time. And and 920 01:00:54,090 --> 01:00:57,060 I have uploaded his music to wave Lake, could you take it 921 01:00:57,060 --> 01:00:58,890 into consideration for your show? 922 01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,680 Dave Jones: Did you? Did you tell her go put it on noster? 923 01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:09,540 Adam Curry: No, I didn't. So when I these are signals, these 924 01:01:09,540 --> 01:01:12,900 are big signals that I'm getting. And I'm very excited 925 01:01:12,900 --> 01:01:20,340 about it. I just, it's what we do here is we have to, you know, 926 01:01:20,430 --> 01:01:26,400 evangelize in this case. Like, here's what, you know, and use 927 01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,310 words like wallet switching technology, you know, instead of 928 01:01:29,670 --> 01:01:33,030 value time split. You know, these are these are things that 929 01:01:33,060 --> 01:01:39,540 that trigger people go oh, in fact, our long lost data yo, Roy 930 01:01:39,570 --> 01:01:45,090 from breeze had a nice chat with him. No. And I said, Roy, let me 931 01:01:45,090 --> 01:01:47,100 tell you what's going on. Because he's been doing stuff 932 01:01:47,100 --> 01:01:51,120 he's busy. He had no idea was happening. And and he's I know 933 01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,870 what he said, I love Roy. I said, Roy, this was happening. 934 01:01:55,470 --> 01:01:58,800 Value time split magic wall wallet, switching technology, 935 01:01:59,220 --> 01:02:03,300 music on feeds value for value. And he said, You know, I've been 936 01:02:03,300 --> 01:02:05,070 thinking what to do with the breeze? Because, you know, 937 01:02:05,070 --> 01:02:07,470 they're they're really going towards a lightning service 938 01:02:07,470 --> 01:02:11,040 provider model. And, you know, that's for him to explain what 939 01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:12,960 he's doing. And maybe we should have him on the show. Or we 940 01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:18,360 will. He said, Adam, what you're talking about here? I'm going to 941 01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:22,860 do it, because you were right about podcasting. And I was very 942 01:02:22,860 --> 01:02:26,130 on the fence about it. But you were so convincing. So that's 943 01:02:26,130 --> 01:02:28,830 why he put podcasting in the breeze and breeze still is still 944 01:02:28,830 --> 01:02:33,360 used for for podcasts for value for value podcast. He said I'm 945 01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,120 gonna do it. And I said, you know, boy, why don't you blow it 946 01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:39,990 out? You know, why don't you really make it like, like what 947 01:02:40,020 --> 01:02:43,080 fountains doing? Found doing some interesting stuff with 948 01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:46,140 their new music tab. You hear is 949 01:02:46,140 --> 01:02:48,150 Dave Jones: when Roy when Roy says he's gonna do so 950 01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:50,880 Adam Curry: he does it? Oh, he does it. Yeah. And, you know, 951 01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,450 it's like the the fountain music tab is is phenomenal. I mean, I 952 01:02:54,450 --> 01:02:58,830 have a lot of feedback on it. But, you know, technically, you 953 01:02:58,830 --> 01:03:03,120 now have subscribe to an artist feed. In fact, now I can add 954 01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:07,110 songs to my music library. I can create playlists from it. But 955 01:03:07,110 --> 01:03:10,200 also when something new shows up from an artist, it's going to 956 01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,930 show up in my music tab under that artists just like a cool 957 01:03:12,930 --> 01:03:17,310 just like a podcast. Now it's exciting. A couple 958 01:03:17,310 --> 01:03:20,040 Dave Jones: of things that we need though, this. So let's talk 959 01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:21,060 about needs here. 960 01:03:23,070 --> 01:03:24,690 Adam Curry: I need a good spanking is what I need. 961 01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:35,070 Dave Jones: Now you're baiting I so sorry. So we need lyric, we 962 01:03:35,070 --> 01:03:41,760 need lyrics, um, in the form of transcripts. So in a music 963 01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:48,840 medium podcast, the transcript becomes lyrics. And we need more 964 01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:55,950 of that that is so and so that's one thing. There's I don't see I 965 01:03:55,950 --> 01:03:58,170 don't think I see any of that out there yet. 966 01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,630 Adam Curry: What's fun and funny. If you look at booster 967 01:04:00,630 --> 01:04:03,210 grand ball, and you're looking at and you look at the 968 01:04:03,210 --> 01:04:06,660 transcript while the show was playing, my transcript is 969 01:04:06,660 --> 01:04:12,060 actually transcribing the song lyrics as it goes along. 970 01:04:12,900 --> 01:04:16,560 Although I would think it would actually as a remote item, he 971 01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,440 would bring that information in I have a feeling that remote 972 01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:23,460 items are just bringing in value blocks title a closure I don't 973 01:04:23,460 --> 01:04:27,360 think they're bringing in the full Monty and there's 974 01:04:27,780 --> 01:04:29,910 discussions to be had there of course, because you know, you 975 01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:32,370 don't want to bring in chapters if you have chapters. 976 01:04:33,570 --> 01:04:37,020 Dave Jones: If you had lyric if you had the JSON you know word 977 01:04:37,020 --> 01:04:42,510 by word. granular level timestamping format of 978 01:04:42,510 --> 01:04:45,690 transcript Yeah, then I mean yeah, that's that's like full on 979 01:04:45,690 --> 01:04:50,010 bouncing ball. Yep. Yeah, karaoke. So karaoke style. Yeah, 980 01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,460 you can get you can go all the way with that thing. We need 981 01:04:53,460 --> 01:05:00,510 that we also need the liner notes. Yeah, just RIP in the 982 01:05:00,510 --> 01:05:01,950 description music side 983 01:05:01,950 --> 01:05:05,070 Adam Curry: project is all over this, by the way, Steven Bell 984 01:05:05,070 --> 01:05:10,290 has all that. And if I can just say, Ellen beats is my favorite 985 01:05:10,290 --> 01:05:15,510 app. Ellen beats.com has everything. It has music shows 986 01:05:15,510 --> 01:05:19,560 that I can listen to. It has recommended music that is new. 987 01:05:19,740 --> 01:05:23,580 It has the top 100 It has a search function. The only thing 988 01:05:23,580 --> 01:05:27,660 as a as a small side note is when I'm on the recommended tab, 989 01:05:27,690 --> 01:05:30,240 or I'm on the Search tab and I click something I listen, I go 990 01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,520 back, it scrolls all the way to the top, it doesn't remember 991 01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:37,500 where I was. Other than that, an outstanding music app. I've 992 01:05:37,500 --> 01:05:42,930 created playlists. I you know, I I've never I don't listen, I've 993 01:05:42,930 --> 01:05:47,400 never even listened to music for the past 20 years. And now I'm 994 01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,980 creating playlists. That's why I want to export this playlist, 995 01:05:49,980 --> 01:05:52,650 you know, like I click this and it's in and I want to see who's 996 01:05:52,650 --> 01:05:55,350 listening to my playlist. I mean, I'm my mind's exploding. 997 01:05:56,730 --> 01:05:59,370 Dave Jones: Yeah, we're, we're working on trying to figure out 998 01:05:59,370 --> 01:06:02,340 how those playlists can contain a little bit of metadata, but 999 01:06:02,340 --> 01:06:07,500 not so because what you get in a playlist currently for the for 1000 01:06:07,500 --> 01:06:12,120 the music l medium, oh, what you get is just a list just a list 1001 01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:15,990 of remote items with with good references. You don't get like, 1002 01:06:16,290 --> 01:06:20,040 you know, title author. All right, right. Right. Right. You 1003 01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:23,370 don't get all that which, which is, so it's doing its job 1004 01:06:23,370 --> 01:06:26,250 properly. But you know, then Steven bass said yesterday, you 1005 01:06:26,250 --> 01:06:29,760 know, this, I'm gonna have this in the, if a playlist has 100 1006 01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,670 songs on it, I'm gonna have to make 100 I'm gonna have to do 1007 01:06:32,670 --> 01:06:34,620 100 resolving resolvers. 1008 01:06:34,830 --> 01:06:36,900 Adam Curry: Right, this is a technical issue that you you've 1009 01:06:36,900 --> 01:06:38,850 been thinking about. Yeah, and so 1010 01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:44,970 Dave Jones: they, you know, the original idea was, these are, 1011 01:06:45,540 --> 01:06:47,730 it's like DNS, or if I mean, you're gonna, you're gonna 1012 01:06:47,730 --> 01:06:51,840 resolve this GUID, find the feed URL, and all the metadata that 1013 01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:57,450 goes with it, because the GUID can change. So really, I mean, 1014 01:06:57,450 --> 01:07:02,160 technically speaking, it is doing its job as you know, but 1015 01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:06,330 then Alex said well, why don't we we could put some metadata in 1016 01:07:06,330 --> 01:07:09,930 there and then put expand the remote on tag with like a TTL. 1017 01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:14,670 So after a certain amount of time, right right, it's time to 1018 01:07:14,670 --> 01:07:18,090 limiter that it's out of date. Yeah, like maybe go look it up 1019 01:07:18,090 --> 01:07:19,410 again and go check this 1020 01:07:20,610 --> 01:07:24,300 Adam Curry: idea Yeah, I all my TTL is 10 minutes. 1021 01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,980 Dave Jones: DNS Yeah, you're tight you run tight ship over 1022 01:07:28,980 --> 01:07:29,190 there. 1023 01:07:30,690 --> 01:07:32,640 Adam Curry: So I hate it whenever I go in like I'm going 1024 01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:36,120 to add something to my like a CNAME or something and then set 1025 01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,370 to an hour and if I screw it up and only have to wait a whole 1026 01:07:38,370 --> 01:07:41,460 hour or so like No, no, no, no one minute one minute tight baby 1027 01:07:41,460 --> 01:07:41,910 tight. 1028 01:07:42,510 --> 01:07:44,790 Dave Jones: Back in the old days, man the details on DNS 1029 01:07:44,790 --> 01:07:47,550 records were like, you know, minimum like eight hours 1030 01:07:47,550 --> 01:07:48,570 sometimes you know, yeah. 1031 01:07:49,290 --> 01:07:51,990 Adam Curry: And then you had to call the client and say the DNS 1032 01:07:51,990 --> 01:07:52,860 is propagating, 1033 01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:58,890 Dave Jones: propagating in every sysadmin Evers like, Oh, you 1034 01:07:58,890 --> 01:08:00,660 just got to wait for it to propagate it could take a couple 1035 01:08:00,660 --> 01:08:03,030 of days and you have no idea you just believes bullshit and the 1036 01:08:03,030 --> 01:08:10,230 whole thing, but that the other thing is is the Ainsley Costello 1037 01:08:10,230 --> 01:08:12,900 interview that Sam did on the pod news show 1038 01:08:14,250 --> 01:08:16,500 Adam Curry: See, this was a perfect opportunity for wallet 1039 01:08:16,500 --> 01:08:22,740 switching there you know it's like interviews Oh, my god man. 1040 01:08:22,950 --> 01:08:26,970 The interview shows I can't wait for interview shows. 1041 01:08:27,779 --> 01:08:31,619 Dave Jones: Well the let me we since we're we're already doing 1042 01:08:31,619 --> 01:08:35,099 it when we have guests on this show we give them a split right 1043 01:08:35,099 --> 01:08:36,599 but I'm not a value time split 1044 01:08:36,900 --> 01:08:39,600 Adam Curry: split right but I'm talking about the value time 1045 01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,810 split for instance Sure, sure. As we are about to demonstrate 1046 01:08:42,810 --> 01:08:48,060 because I thought felt it was way overdue for the pod sage to 1047 01:08:48,060 --> 01:08:52,500 select a song to play on the podcasting 2.0 show better known 1048 01:08:52,500 --> 01:08:56,160 as the boardroom in that and now we're you were already 1049 01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:58,890 anticipating this question or I was 1050 01:08:58,919 --> 01:09:01,229 Dave Jones: I had one locked in I was I was ready to get one in 1051 01:09:01,229 --> 01:09:01,769 the chamber 1052 01:09:02,430 --> 01:09:04,200 Adam Curry: but you want to tell us what we're going to listen to 1053 01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:04,530 here 1054 01:09:05,670 --> 01:09:11,700 Dave Jones: we're gonna listen to heaven knows by somebody be 1055 01:09:11,700 --> 01:09:12,390 arrived have 1056 01:09:12,390 --> 01:09:18,270 Adam Curry: a ride day right so here's what Dave said he said 1057 01:09:18,330 --> 01:09:22,980 Why yes, I do have a song ready. It's a little heavy though. 1058 01:09:24,660 --> 01:09:28,680 Really. Baby Musa? 1059 01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:46,680 Unknown: way we saw create 1060 01:10:00,000 --> 01:11:06,240 You? Right 1061 01:11:26,220 --> 01:11:26,700 break 1062 01:11:31,980 --> 01:11:32,820 carried out 1063 01:12:13,110 --> 01:12:19,260 Adam Curry: Yeah, that's what we call a hard out right there I 1064 01:12:19,260 --> 01:12:20,280 want to point out mess 1065 01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:23,130 Dave Jones: me up is the band. The band is called it. 1066 01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:29,310 Adam Curry: Eero hero? Yeah, um, yeah, I want to point out that 1067 01:12:29,700 --> 01:12:33,240 the awesome work that is happening here. So the minute I 1068 01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:38,640 played the song minute I hit start, I hit the activate button 1069 01:12:38,670 --> 01:12:43,230 in my playlist on the split kit, which means the wallet switches 1070 01:12:43,230 --> 01:12:48,090 in real time and it also makes a little mark for me. So when I go 1071 01:12:48,090 --> 01:12:50,910 back, I can import that into sovereign feeds for the for the 1072 01:12:50,910 --> 01:12:55,350 feed. This there's a something called the Split kit relay, 1073 01:12:55,590 --> 01:13:00,210 which immediately spit out the title of the song, a link to 1074 01:13:00,450 --> 01:13:05,670 where it lives in a link to the live the live split kit 1075 01:13:06,570 --> 01:13:11,070 interface so you can listen to the show live. I mean, that's, 1076 01:13:11,220 --> 01:13:16,890 that's, that's an IRC bot or whatever. That is bad ass. 1077 01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:23,310 Dave Jones: So okay, what, let's do an analysis here what what's 1078 01:13:23,310 --> 01:13:27,480 left what is yet to be built and not? Not on the hosting company 1079 01:13:27,480 --> 01:13:31,650 side? Clearly they have work to do. What is what's left to be 1080 01:13:31,650 --> 01:13:37,440 built? Specifically for me? And what what do I need to do with 1081 01:13:37,470 --> 01:13:40,470 the chart? Or with anything else? 1082 01:13:41,010 --> 01:13:47,520 Adam Curry: Okay. It goes hand in hand. My my wish list is the 1083 01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:51,030 chart is booster grams and what podcast this was played on. 1084 01:13:51,390 --> 01:13:54,900 Because that will that will only make more people want to make 1085 01:13:54,900 --> 01:13:57,840 music podcasts. And when you have more music, podcasts, 1086 01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:02,820 there's more places your music can get played. That That to me 1087 01:14:02,820 --> 01:14:07,590 is discovery. That to me is growing. Growing a market 1088 01:14:07,620 --> 01:14:10,980 growing an industry growing a market is really what it you 1089 01:14:10,980 --> 01:14:15,000 know, it's a it's an open, it's an open space where everybody is 1090 01:14:15,210 --> 01:14:19,410 sharing songs while sharing value because my biggest fear is 1091 01:14:19,410 --> 01:14:24,420 to get people playing songs on podcasts and and there'll be no 1092 01:14:24,450 --> 01:14:27,570 wallet switching and it's just going to be disappointment. 1093 01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:30,870 That's my biggest fear. Really not too worried. I mean, hey, 1094 01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:35,010 you know what, God bless him I hope noster and zaps adds a lot 1095 01:14:35,010 --> 01:14:38,910 of value. I really do. I hope a lot and I think there's a place 1096 01:14:38,910 --> 01:14:42,990 for not for noster the social network but I think there's a 1097 01:14:42,990 --> 01:14:49,170 real place for for noster based identity that can be you know, 1098 01:14:49,170 --> 01:14:52,650 you can own your own audience and your own noster chat room. 1099 01:14:52,650 --> 01:14:56,250 There's all kinds of stuff that I can see but that's not what we 1100 01:14:56,250 --> 01:15:00,540 do. We do RSS stuff. So I want to focus on what we do. And 1101 01:15:02,610 --> 01:15:08,160 Dave Jones: I hope the overall noster ecosystem gives a lot of 1102 01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:11,340 value to music I hope this specific people with within the 1103 01:15:11,340 --> 01:15:14,910 nostril ecosystem that hate and denigrate RSS I hope they get 1104 01:15:14,910 --> 01:15:15,480 gonorrhea 1105 01:15:17,910 --> 01:15:19,860 Adam Curry: No I'm just not going to go along with that day 1106 01:15:21,690 --> 01:15:23,250 Dave Jones: that it's unnecessary 1107 01:15:25,260 --> 01:15:27,330 Adam Curry: you really don't mean that you really don't You 1108 01:15:27,330 --> 01:15:29,670 don't mean that I know I don't mean that you don't mean that 1109 01:15:30,150 --> 01:15:32,280 Dave Jones: I just don't I just don't like the idea that in 1110 01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:36,060 order for for for the in order for my stuff to win your you 1111 01:15:36,060 --> 01:15:39,630 have to lose that mentality. I hate that. 1112 01:15:39,660 --> 01:15:41,640 Adam Curry: I haven't seen that that much lately. So it's still 1113 01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:42,150 out there. 1114 01:15:42,780 --> 01:15:46,020 Dave Jones: We read we read that thing from Theo Jeff last week. 1115 01:15:47,190 --> 01:15:49,950 I don't remember on the show that booster group is somebody 1116 01:15:49,950 --> 01:15:52,860 linked to it in the booster gram and it was just this tirade 1117 01:15:52,860 --> 01:15:59,790 about RSS and how stupid it was podcasting that that? I think I 1118 01:15:59,790 --> 01:16:00,840 can't get that out of my head. 1119 01:16:00,870 --> 01:16:06,810 Adam Curry: No, I think it's just nah. Okay, come close. All 1120 01:16:06,810 --> 01:16:08,850 right, turn up your headphones Dave. I'm going to read you have 1121 01:16:08,850 --> 01:16:14,550 this evil demon be gone be gone and Austin demon be gone. You 1122 01:16:14,550 --> 01:16:17,400 don't have to worry about that's just people who are ignorant and 1123 01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:19,800 don't understand. They don't know what we're doing. And you 1124 01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,380 know that they're just as frustrated as everybody else. 1125 01:16:22,380 --> 01:16:25,590 But they they have had their eye on a different solution and 1126 01:16:25,590 --> 01:16:28,230 haven't seen what we're doing. That's all that is. It's just 1127 01:16:28,260 --> 01:16:33,360 it's ignorance. It's okay. Now, the beauty is every single 1128 01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:36,900 Nastar person I'm with sam se doing is actually beautiful. 1129 01:16:36,900 --> 01:16:40,440 He's enabling so that you can send a zap through pod fans. And 1130 01:16:40,440 --> 01:16:43,770 then it turns into a boost. And it splits up and everything. I 1131 01:16:43,770 --> 01:16:45,060 mean, you know, it's a bridge, 1132 01:16:45,629 --> 01:16:48,929 Dave Jones: but just protective of the people, we got to get a 1133 01:16:48,929 --> 01:16:51,989 group of people who have done who have worked their butts off 1134 01:16:51,989 --> 01:16:56,879 for three years to create to create a system that is pumping 1135 01:16:56,879 --> 01:17:02,819 value into the Lightning Network. That they are the RSS 1136 01:17:02,849 --> 01:17:08,369 the stuff podcasting 2.0 in the podcast ecosystem, is pushing 1137 01:17:09,029 --> 01:17:14,189 lightning payments in a way that no other single thing is at all. 1138 01:17:14,789 --> 01:17:20,189 There was a time there was there was a point in time, where I 1139 01:17:20,189 --> 01:17:24,539 would say more than 50% of the Lightning Network traffic was 1140 01:17:24,569 --> 01:17:25,289 us. 1141 01:17:25,890 --> 01:17:27,660 Adam Curry: You know what's so funny about that? And you look 1142 01:17:27,660 --> 01:17:31,320 at did someone put that on podcast index dot social, 1143 01:17:32,130 --> 01:17:36,000 Bitcoin, the Bitcoin Conference? And they said, look at all these 1144 01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,520 great companies that are doing stuff with lightning and we're 1145 01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,190 not on it. No, it was like 1146 01:17:41,190 --> 01:17:44,010 Dave Jones: literally more than 50% of the Lightning Network 1147 01:17:44,010 --> 01:17:48,990 transaction volume was they just they act like we don't even 1148 01:17:48,990 --> 01:17:49,470 exist. 1149 01:17:49,980 --> 01:17:52,110 Adam Curry: They don't know. They don't they don't know 1150 01:17:52,110 --> 01:17:56,280 writing. Nah, don't Don't let it bother you, brother. Really? 1151 01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,760 Because we're building from the inside out. We're like, we're 1152 01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:06,330 like this alien this growing in their stomach is gonna open up. 1153 01:18:07,440 --> 01:18:10,860 Yeah, but that's it. You know, it took podcasting itself. It 1154 01:18:10,860 --> 01:18:17,970 took a good wow, what did it take? 10 years, almost, almost, 1155 01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:22,380 maybe 12 years before it really blew mainstream, you know, and 1156 01:18:22,380 --> 01:18:26,310 blue onto the mainstream with Yeah, it was some flukes. It's 1157 01:18:26,310 --> 01:18:28,890 just, it's what it is. It doesn't matter because the Vout 1158 01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:33,720 that's like DeVore I can I were talking about no agenda. No, as 1159 01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:39,000 you do, as we do, we have reach. Or we got really, we not just 1160 01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:42,270 have reached, like, almost a million people, but we have 1161 01:18:42,300 --> 01:18:46,980 quality people. And we do value for value. But what we don't do 1162 01:18:47,190 --> 01:18:50,760 is video. And because we don't do video, because let's be 1163 01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:54,780 honest, who wants to see two old dudes? As with headphones on, 1164 01:18:54,780 --> 01:18:56,880 you know, one of them's teresting half the time. It's 1165 01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:59,370 like no one wants to see that crap no more, but maybe they do. 1166 01:18:59,370 --> 01:19:03,780 I don't know. But because of it. It doesn't matter what podcasts 1167 01:19:03,780 --> 01:19:08,880 are mentioned in the news, politics, comedy deconstruction 1168 01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:13,350 space, if I can call that we're never ever mentioned. Never. 1169 01:19:14,340 --> 01:19:18,660 Never. And we won't be because we've just built our own little 1170 01:19:18,660 --> 01:19:23,340 thing. And, and, and it's beautiful. And we both have nice 1171 01:19:23,340 --> 01:19:30,270 lives and we love our our producers. And and I'm not maybe 1172 01:19:30,270 --> 01:19:33,360 I used to be many, many years ago, frustrated that we weren't, 1173 01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:36,780 you know, being talked about or you know, one on the front of 1174 01:19:36,780 --> 01:19:41,580 iTunes, but then I look around us and I have this, this there's 1175 01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:45,810 hundreds of 1000s of people who I've never met, who I now know 1176 01:19:46,170 --> 01:19:49,380 there's 100,000 more that I don't know of who are listening 1177 01:19:49,380 --> 01:19:54,090 who are out there is you know, what is what is the incessant 1178 01:19:54,090 --> 01:19:59,970 needs to be writing some wave? No, it just builds expectation. 1179 01:20:00,420 --> 01:20:05,850 And, and pressure. Whereas now, I do my show twice a week. I 1180 01:20:05,850 --> 01:20:10,620 love it. I love my work. I don't feel like it's work. I get 1181 01:20:10,620 --> 01:20:14,520 rewarded for what I do by people who truly appreciate it. That's 1182 01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:17,940 it. That's life. That's life, man. That's what you want. 1183 01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:21,720 Dave Jones: You've taught youth. This has been like therapy 1184 01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,630 today. You've talked to me, though. You've, you've talked me 1185 01:20:24,630 --> 01:20:28,740 down. You're right. I'm glad I no longer I no longer wish for 1186 01:20:28,740 --> 01:20:32,520 gonorrhea on anybody. No, no, don't. I wish 1187 01:20:32,550 --> 01:20:35,760 Adam Curry: maybe jbsa on their nose but not gonorrhea. You 1188 01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:36,600 know, just like a beat 1189 01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:44,130 Dave Jones: on various places, but not no longer wish horrible 1190 01:20:44,130 --> 01:20:47,610 diseases on these people. And I hope the Jeff has a nice dinner 1191 01:20:47,970 --> 01:20:49,020 as a significant other. 1192 01:20:49,290 --> 01:20:53,850 Adam Curry: But that that is that is the switch I made and 1193 01:20:53,940 --> 01:20:57,930 and it's it's just as weird as asking people to donate or 1194 01:20:57,930 --> 01:21:00,840 support what you're doing it especially coming from 1195 01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:04,410 mainstream. It's, it's completely the antithesis. But 1196 01:21:04,410 --> 01:21:08,280 I'll tell you what, I'd rather be asking people to support what 1197 01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:11,550 I'm doing in any manner, because they love what they're hearing, 1198 01:21:11,730 --> 01:21:16,470 then have to do an ad for legacy box. And I said like, No, it's 1199 01:21:16,470 --> 01:21:19,560 100 or have to worry or have to do a meeting that was really, 1200 01:21:19,830 --> 01:21:22,500 that's really our main thing is we hate doing meeting and I want 1201 01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:26,070 to meet with a client and the clients gonna be like, well, you 1202 01:21:26,070 --> 01:21:28,500 know, I didn't like to use gonorrhea. So you know, we're 1203 01:21:28,500 --> 01:21:31,350 really, we're gonna pull our ads back for a couple of weeks until 1204 01:21:31,350 --> 01:21:31,830 you calm 1205 01:21:31,830 --> 01:21:34,110 Dave Jones: down. That's not brand safe. That's no no, 1206 01:21:34,140 --> 01:21:37,050 Adam Curry: I don't I don't want AI scanning my transcripts to 1207 01:21:37,050 --> 01:21:41,070 see if I'm brand safe. None of that stuff I don't want I don't 1208 01:21:41,070 --> 01:21:42,180 want Yes. 1209 01:21:42,870 --> 01:21:45,480 Dave Jones: The only salvation of that is you most people can't 1210 01:21:45,480 --> 01:21:47,820 spell Gunga Rhea gonna be in? 1211 01:21:48,180 --> 01:21:51,810 Adam Curry: We'll see how the transcript does. Does, you know 1212 01:21:51,810 --> 01:21:55,140 obviously it's like, you know, I don't want to have to be given 1213 01:21:55,140 --> 01:22:03,030 30% to Apple or or, you know, 10 15% the Patreon or even to 1214 01:22:03,030 --> 01:22:07,680 pay pal really, you know, I want I want Stephen bell to make a 1215 01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:13,680 piece I want to Todd Cochran to make a piece I want. I want you 1216 01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:18,330 know, I want to the day right? You know, IRA to me, I want 1217 01:22:18,330 --> 01:22:22,290 everyone to everyone wins in our system. Everybody wins. 1218 01:22:22,290 --> 01:22:26,400 Everybody wins. There's no losers in 2.0 There's only 1219 01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:30,300 winners in value for value. Everybody. Everybody can tell a 1220 01:22:30,300 --> 01:22:35,760 secret. Yes. Yes. That's that it's it's Dare I say it's godly. 1221 01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:39,600 It is. It is absolutely beautiful is how human beings 1222 01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:43,350 were built and engineered to function together. It really is. 1223 01:22:43,410 --> 01:22:44,070 I really 1224 01:22:44,099 --> 01:22:47,909 Dave Jones: I needed this. I needed this because Sam's 1225 01:22:47,909 --> 01:22:51,479 building great stuff. Yes. It's building great stuff. Eric p p 1226 01:22:51,509 --> 01:22:52,979 is doing the Lord's work 1227 01:22:53,010 --> 01:22:57,720 Adam Curry: on on health. Up to date. Yes, he is. Yes, he is. 1228 01:22:57,750 --> 01:23:01,350 Dave Jones: He is He has put in a GitHub action just today, they 1229 01:23:01,350 --> 01:23:05,820 will automatically push to Docker build the image, cross 1230 01:23:06,180 --> 01:23:10,440 platform, build the cross platform image of arm 64 and AMD 1231 01:23:10,440 --> 01:23:16,380 64. And post the image to Docker Hub beautifully can be easily 1232 01:23:16,380 --> 01:23:24,420 more easily update, push updates to Umbral and start in I don't 1233 01:23:24,420 --> 01:23:26,940 know a start nine uses Docker Hub. I'm assuming it does. I 1234 01:23:26,940 --> 01:23:29,130 Adam Curry: have no idea how it works. I don't know. I do. 1235 01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:34,410 Dave Jones: Yeah, I mean, like this. There's, I mean, stuffs 1236 01:23:34,410 --> 01:23:37,530 getting built. I mean, I mean yeah, I mean, look, look at look 1237 01:23:37,530 --> 01:23:38,490 at happy, I'm happy. 1238 01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:42,570 Adam Curry: Look at look at these bots in the IRC chat. I 1239 01:23:42,570 --> 01:23:48,090 mean, all of this stuff. It just builds and IPFS all this stuff 1240 01:23:48,090 --> 01:23:51,270 that's being this is our ecosystem. And we're at we're a 1241 01:23:51,270 --> 01:23:57,120 snow slow roll and snowball just going down and I hope to bring 1242 01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:01,620 some established people along with us. Now that's it. But what 1243 01:24:01,620 --> 01:24:04,170 we're seeing now there's another snowball coming and it's 1244 01:24:04,170 --> 01:24:06,930 musicians. And they've been waiting for something they've 1245 01:24:06,930 --> 01:24:12,930 been they have been the literal but of the industry. They have 1246 01:24:12,930 --> 01:24:19,560 been completely ripped off jerked around lied to. I mean, 1247 01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:23,460 come on. How many streams that I have? Are you kidding me? 1248 01:24:24,870 --> 01:24:27,570 Dave Jones: That's like how many hits did my website gets exactly 1249 01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:28,290 Adam Curry: exactly. 1250 01:24:29,310 --> 01:24:30,150 Dave Jones: When coerce 1251 01:24:30,150 --> 01:24:33,180 Adam Curry: it to get they've been coerced into scamming and 1252 01:24:33,180 --> 01:24:39,660 cheating and using all these shady services and, and it's not 1253 01:24:39,660 --> 01:24:43,530 about it's so bad that they don't care about money. They're 1254 01:24:43,530 --> 01:24:47,400 used to not getting money. Now there's value I've always said 1255 01:24:47,850 --> 01:24:52,110 Sats are bigger than stats. You know when you when you just look 1256 01:24:52,110 --> 01:24:55,530 at your your lb wallet or whatever it is you're using and 1257 01:24:55,530 --> 01:24:59,190 use a blip blip blip you just see a couple SATs coming in 1258 01:24:59,190 --> 01:25:02,430 boom. There's a thought I was an amen someone sent me a boost. It 1259 01:25:02,430 --> 01:25:07,140 makes you feel good. It makes you feel whole makes you feel 1260 01:25:07,140 --> 01:25:11,580 like a human and a human on the other end, not some, you know, 1261 01:25:11,580 --> 01:25:16,080 stream click farm somewhere but someone who actually is I wake 1262 01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:19,290 up in the morning, because a lot of things I do first, but then I 1263 01:25:19,290 --> 01:25:23,700 will open up the podcasting, podcast index wallet. And I'll 1264 01:25:23,700 --> 01:25:27,660 just look and say, Oh, wow, this very moment, because I see one 1265 01:25:27,660 --> 01:25:32,430 set one set one set, I see oh, there's 25 people listening to a 1266 01:25:32,430 --> 01:25:37,740 podcast or a song right now. And they are rewarding that person 1267 01:25:37,740 --> 01:25:43,500 or that crew with value, and then rewarding us for 1268 01:25:43,620 --> 01:25:46,560 facilitating it. It feels good. 1269 01:25:48,270 --> 01:25:57,360 Dave Jones: Yeah. So one other thing is, did you see the the 1270 01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:02,190 proposal that that I posted about pinning an item? Yes, I 1271 01:26:02,190 --> 01:26:02,880 did you see this? 1272 01:26:02,910 --> 01:26:04,140 Adam Curry: I did? I did. I did 1273 01:26:04,140 --> 01:26:07,170 Dave Jones: see it. Yeah. Okay. So this, this originated with a 1274 01:26:07,170 --> 01:26:12,300 discussion on buzz cast by Kevin in them about this feature and 1275 01:26:12,300 --> 01:26:16,200 Spotify, where they get rid of these pinned items. So you can 1276 01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:20,760 like pin an episode to the top of the list. So when a new 1277 01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:26,250 subscriber subscribes to your podcast. Now, this episode is 1278 01:26:26,250 --> 01:26:29,430 sort of up top because you consider this like the the entry 1279 01:26:29,430 --> 01:26:32,520 point this is this. This is the one episode where you're like, 1280 01:26:32,550 --> 01:26:35,370 it is sort of like 100.5 or whatever that episode. Y'all 1281 01:26:35,370 --> 01:26:37,110 used to have no agenda where you're like, Yeah, 1282 01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:40,410 Adam Curry: this is the explainer the explainer. Yes, 1283 01:26:40,410 --> 01:26:40,800 exactly. 1284 01:26:40,889 --> 01:26:45,959 Dave Jones: Yeah, like this is the best place to start. So the 1285 01:26:46,049 --> 01:26:49,469 for episode for episodic for not things that aren't like season 1286 01:26:49,469 --> 01:26:54,509 based. So the they were like, well, this is like easy to do in 1287 01:26:54,509 --> 01:27:00,149 the open in namespace. So, you know, we did it as proposed it. 1288 01:27:00,899 --> 01:27:07,349 This would work very well in music is also fellow interview 1289 01:27:07,739 --> 01:27:12,509 with Sam, she mentioned that a lot of the music injury, they're 1290 01:27:12,509 --> 01:27:16,649 going away from albums and just going to singles basically just 1291 01:27:16,649 --> 01:27:17,999 dropping, dropping tracks. 1292 01:27:18,389 --> 01:27:20,549 Adam Curry: So you can say this is the hot one I want. This is 1293 01:27:20,549 --> 01:27:22,649 the drop I want you to pay attention to. 1294 01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:25,350 Dave Jones: Yeah, this is the one I want to pin right now. 1295 01:27:25,950 --> 01:27:32,970 Because when you subscribe to me or my feed or of of tracks or 1296 01:27:32,970 --> 01:27:36,090 whatever this is, this is the one that I want to be at the 1297 01:27:36,090 --> 01:27:40,200 top. Like it could for a while it could be, you know, cherry on 1298 01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:43,650 top, and then maybe as daydream or whatever Ainsley wants to be 1299 01:27:43,650 --> 01:27:49,320 sort of the intro track that she thinks best represents her music 1300 01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:53,490 right now. So I think I think it's a good, I think it fits 1301 01:27:53,490 --> 01:28:00,240 well in both the podcast, spoken word, traditional podcast, 1302 01:28:00,540 --> 01:28:04,620 medium, and also the music medium. And you could have, you 1303 01:28:04,620 --> 01:28:07,110 could have the same thing like you can imagine audiobooks you 1304 01:28:07,110 --> 01:28:10,020 could have, and I'm trying to get my mind to start thinking 1305 01:28:10,020 --> 01:28:14,580 this way. Whenever there's a new feature. I'm trying to force 1306 01:28:14,610 --> 01:28:19,350 myself to think, Okay, how would this feature look in other 1307 01:28:19,350 --> 01:28:23,010 mediums? Like just think, Okay, here's a feature, it works well 1308 01:28:23,010 --> 01:28:28,440 for podcasting, spoken word podcasting. What would would 1309 01:28:28,440 --> 01:28:33,360 This feature also be? Would it cross over well into audio book 1310 01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:38,070 music, film, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I think this one 1311 01:28:38,070 --> 01:28:41,670 does, because I use imagine audiobooks. Let's say you have a 1312 01:28:41,670 --> 01:28:44,910 book of short stories. Which one? Do you want to be the top? 1313 01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:48,330 Right? You know, like, is there one that you think is a good 1314 01:28:48,330 --> 01:28:54,150 intro? Or something like that? So anyway, that's, I think that 1315 01:28:54,810 --> 01:28:59,370 I think stuff like that is how we go forward, sort of in 1316 01:28:59,370 --> 01:29:02,310 parallel with all the mediums sort of like 1317 01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:05,790 Adam Curry: it's an important feature. It's a very important 1318 01:29:05,790 --> 01:29:08,250 thing. Yeah, I totally see it. Totally. 1319 01:29:09,150 --> 01:29:13,620 Dave Jones: Yeah. So but just the just that larger idea of, 1320 01:29:14,310 --> 01:29:17,730 we're no longer just building for spoken word, podcasting. Now 1321 01:29:17,730 --> 01:29:21,360 we're building for other things, too. Yep. And it does, it 1322 01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:24,660 doesn't mean that every feature has to be equally applicable to 1323 01:29:24,660 --> 01:29:28,080 all the others. But I think if if if you're building something 1324 01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:31,620 for one, and then you say, Okay, well, could this apply to also 1325 01:29:31,620 --> 01:29:32,670 music and audiobooks? 1326 01:29:32,700 --> 01:29:34,500 Adam Curry: Right? We got to think that way. We got to start 1327 01:29:34,500 --> 01:29:35,490 thinking that way. 1328 01:29:35,730 --> 01:29:37,950 Dave Jones: Yeah, you're like, Okay, well, this actually could, 1329 01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:41,400 it could, but only if we add this new attribute that that 1330 01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:44,220 gives it a little tweak. Well, then we add that we add the 1331 01:29:44,220 --> 01:29:47,760 attribute. We do we do that, you know, we do the next thing. 1332 01:29:49,440 --> 01:29:54,090 Adam Curry: Yeah, I love it. Shall we? What are what are you 1333 01:29:54,090 --> 01:29:57,540 on time today? Are you on? Get back to the office on time? 1334 01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:00,450 Yeah, schedule. Let me yeah, let me thank a couple For people 1335 01:30:00,450 --> 01:30:02,370 that have been boosted live since we'll be doing the show 1336 01:30:02,370 --> 01:30:05,550 give you a little time to set up your your papers. Get your 1337 01:30:05,550 --> 01:30:12,390 papers in order 7777 A nice oh, I should have had this ready a 1338 01:30:12,390 --> 01:30:19,110 nice to striper booths from Sir TJ the raffle and where do you 1339 01:30:19,110 --> 01:30:23,400 boost that from he boosted that from podcast guru which is nice. 1340 01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:27,540 It does not yet have a a logo in my helipad, but I know that's 1341 01:30:27,540 --> 01:30:33,360 coming yet. Dave Jones boosted 2112 I'm just gonna guess that 1342 01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:37,680 was for the track that we played. It was Yeah. meters 2500 1343 01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:42,210 Music boost and 50,000 SATs from Carolyn boosting this heavy song 1344 01:30:42,210 --> 01:30:45,390 dig in this one. Can you put links in IRC please? Well, 1345 01:30:45,510 --> 01:30:50,400 lovely Carolyn. The split kit did that for you was put right 1346 01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:54,960 in probably around the same time you boosted Mr. Robot 1006 Great 1347 01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:59,850 choice de value for value music. A boob donation from Mr. Como 1348 01:30:59,910 --> 01:31:03,990 eight oh a Dave agree five by five about Nastar is a toxic VC 1349 01:31:03,990 --> 01:31:07,050 playground that Bitcoiners thinks zaps will save the world. 1350 01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:13,050 break break Adam not surprising shit coin VC magazine would do 1351 01:31:13,050 --> 01:31:16,170 that. David Bailey is clueless about V for V edits basics. 1352 01:31:16,170 --> 01:31:19,830 Thank you gents for busting through the podcast industrial 1353 01:31:19,830 --> 01:31:27,510 complex. Now, again, I bless everybody I want everyone to win 1354 01:31:27,570 --> 01:31:30,420 or whatever they want to do is good. I will support them. Clip 1355 01:31:30,420 --> 01:31:34,680 custodian 12345 love his lip Thank you clip custodian then 1356 01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:41,070 Sir Brian of London 35,784 Because it's a new year. That's 1357 01:31:41,070 --> 01:31:48,270 right. Rosh Hashanah the year 5784 hence the boost amount 1358 01:31:48,330 --> 01:31:53,070 Shana Tovah. from Israel Happy New Year. Shana Tova I think is 1359 01:31:53,070 --> 01:31:55,170 it showing up to have I think is the way pronounce it? That's 1360 01:31:55,170 --> 01:31:59,520 right. It's it's the new year we have apples and honey. Yeah, 1361 01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:01,350 with our Jewish friends. 1362 01:32:01,980 --> 01:32:04,680 Dave Jones: I've never had a hive Gabby mean to me. I'm just 1363 01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:04,980 ever 1364 01:32:05,010 --> 01:32:08,610 Adam Curry: that's true. 1111 short row of Asako satchel 1365 01:32:08,610 --> 01:32:11,340 Richards East Side Tony I'm starting to help onboard artists 1366 01:32:11,340 --> 01:32:14,760 to podcasting 2.0 By hosting content for them. I host the 1367 01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:19,500 artist album Songs and artwork for a six slash 94 split. 1368 01:32:19,860 --> 01:32:22,800 Artists get 94% of the split interesting choice. I like it. 1369 01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:26,070 No cost of the artists instant payments. Any artist interested 1370 01:32:26,070 --> 01:32:30,630 in collaborating? Email me? One Eastside tony@gmail.com Number 1371 01:32:30,630 --> 01:32:33,150 one East Side tony@gmail.com. 1372 01:32:33,990 --> 01:32:36,150 Dave Jones: This is a scissor infomercial. I like it 1373 01:32:36,270 --> 01:32:39,840 Adam Curry: is the business this Eastside Tony gets it. It's like 1374 01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:43,500 hey, I can do this. It's not easy to artists need hand 1375 01:32:43,500 --> 01:32:46,860 holding sometimes. I will do it for you. Beautiful. Oh, good. 1376 01:32:46,980 --> 01:32:50,160 Blueberry new music show debuted last night homegrown hits 1377 01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:54,120 featuring Dame DeLorean Mary Kate Ultra and Daisy B Cooper 1378 01:32:54,150 --> 01:32:57,480 melodic crew that is, this is the only music 2.0 show with 1379 01:32:57,480 --> 01:33:02,670 enough balls to play exclusively self hosted music is called home 1380 01:33:02,670 --> 01:33:05,580 grown hits. Alright, so let me hold on a second. I just want to 1381 01:33:05,970 --> 01:33:09,360 copy the URL there because that's something I want to 1382 01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:13,740 listen to. I listened to every single new show. I'm very nice. 1383 01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:14,130 Okay, 1384 01:33:14,549 --> 01:33:17,309 Dave Jones: he added it to the chart, this special chart? 1385 01:33:17,999 --> 01:33:18,959 Calculators 1386 01:33:19,679 --> 01:33:23,999 Adam Curry: Oh, yes, very good. Tone record 12345 pre boosting 1387 01:33:23,999 --> 01:33:26,129 for all this exceptional work occurring over the past few 1388 01:33:26,129 --> 01:33:31,169 weeks eluding all with scissors in hand. Thank you, sir. Then we 1389 01:33:31,169 --> 01:33:35,849 have a Chris You know, 12345 Thank you, uh, Chris, you know, 1390 01:33:35,909 --> 01:33:40,169 it's beautiful. I want to create my own playlist to share with 1391 01:33:40,169 --> 01:33:42,329 friends and get them into V for V music. It would be a 1392 01:33:42,329 --> 01:33:45,449 searchable feed that updates each time I make a new playlist. 1393 01:33:45,569 --> 01:33:48,809 I can easily do this with my music side project. I would 1394 01:33:48,809 --> 01:33:51,239 still maintain all original splits to the artists, how do I 1395 01:33:51,239 --> 01:33:54,359 best avoid gunking up searches with duplicate search results 1396 01:33:54,359 --> 01:33:57,929 for songs such as searches in lm beats.com or other music 1397 01:33:57,929 --> 01:34:00,959 players? Good question. That'd be the last one I got on my 1398 01:34:00,959 --> 01:34:03,989 list. What do we want to answer that? Dave? Do you understand 1399 01:34:03,989 --> 01:34:04,739 the problem here? 1400 01:34:06,060 --> 01:34:10,230 Dave Jones: I think I do. But it's we will figure that out as 1401 01:34:10,230 --> 01:34:14,820 we go through the process of getting music medium and music l 1402 01:34:15,390 --> 01:34:20,610 Rhea remote items pulled into the to the index. So we'll we'll 1403 01:34:20,610 --> 01:34:24,090 do that in a way that were probably just exclude them from 1404 01:34:24,090 --> 01:34:27,000 search. Yeah, not exclude the playlist from search, but 1405 01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:30,420 exclude the, you know the contents of the playlist. Yes, 1406 01:34:30,420 --> 01:34:33,630 sir. So you're not duping stuff. It's, I don't think it'll be a 1407 01:34:33,630 --> 01:34:35,100 problem. It's not a problem. 1408 01:34:35,130 --> 01:34:37,080 Adam Curry: Before we get into thanking some more people. This 1409 01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:42,090 is a value for value podcast, which means if you get any value 1410 01:34:42,090 --> 01:34:44,190 from the work that's being done here, if you get any value from 1411 01:34:44,190 --> 01:34:47,400 this podcast, send it back. However, you can time talent or 1412 01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:50,550 treasure. As you can tell a lot of time and talent is being put 1413 01:34:50,550 --> 01:34:54,480 into this entire project by a cast of 1000s we love treasure 1414 01:34:54,480 --> 01:34:57,960 you can go to podcast index.org. Down at the bottom there's two 1415 01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:01,170 red buttons donate buttons. I She haven't looked at the tally 1416 01:35:01,170 --> 01:35:04,260 coin and while people always said hey, I want to send you on 1417 01:35:04,260 --> 01:35:08,370 coin Bitcoin then you got a tally coin and once again, we 1418 01:35:08,370 --> 01:35:11,220 haven't had anything there since the 10th of July. But there's 1419 01:35:11,220 --> 01:35:14,790 also a PayPal link for your Fiat fun coupons, but we really like 1420 01:35:14,790 --> 01:35:18,750 you to go to podcast apps.com and grab one of the value for 1421 01:35:18,750 --> 01:35:21,420 value podcast apps, almost every single one of them does it at 1422 01:35:21,420 --> 01:35:24,210 this point, as far as I know, and you can boost to your 1423 01:35:24,210 --> 01:35:29,640 heart's content. And I want to congratulate fountain on 100,000 1424 01:35:30,870 --> 01:35:33,480 I think they call them comments or messages but I think I would 1425 01:35:33,480 --> 01:35:37,320 say the majority of those are boosts booster grams and again, 1426 01:35:37,770 --> 01:35:41,280 May a culpa I was wrong. In the beginning I thought that 1427 01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:44,640 surfacing booster grams would be a bad idea that it would 1428 01:35:44,850 --> 01:35:49,710 deteriorate the value and I stand corrected once again just 1429 01:35:49,710 --> 01:35:52,950 want to reiterate it's a great idea to surface booster grams I 1430 01:35:52,950 --> 01:35:58,170 love it. It makes it feel like there's you can build community 1431 01:35:58,170 --> 01:36:01,890 around these booster grams and I wish more apps did it 1432 01:36:04,590 --> 01:36:09,900 Dave Jones: i i love Oscar he's a great guy I've spoken to him 1433 01:36:09,900 --> 01:36:14,670 many times and it just congratulations I mean he's just 1434 01:36:14,670 --> 01:36:18,240 done some great work with found it II took on a very difficult 1435 01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:22,950 task right out of the gate being vie for V focused and you know 1436 01:36:22,950 --> 01:36:28,710 running running with scissors full bore hosting wallets and 1437 01:36:28,710 --> 01:36:31,260 all this stuff it was a hard thing to do and I just got a lot 1438 01:36:31,260 --> 01:36:36,840 of I got mad respect for the see we got we got oh we got to pay 1439 01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:43,110 we got one Pay Pal yay. We got from the team at blueberry says 1440 01:36:43,110 --> 01:36:46,110 go podcasting for the blueberry team $250 1441 01:36:46,740 --> 01:36:50,130 Adam Curry: podcast. Thank you Thank you team a blueberry I 1442 01:36:50,130 --> 01:36:52,860 love that and it's separate from Todd by the way that is the team 1443 01:36:52,860 --> 01:36:55,140 I think who agree that okay, we're gonna support the index 1444 01:36:55,140 --> 01:36:56,250 and we appreciate them 1445 01:36:57,060 --> 01:37:00,930 Dave Jones: as a we've got some booster grams we got in the 1446 01:37:00,930 --> 01:37:04,770 morning says that I sound terrible with the new audio and 1447 01:37:04,770 --> 01:37:08,490 he says you 100 Sound 100% Sound like a robot. It's hard to 1448 01:37:08,490 --> 01:37:09,030 listen to. 1449 01:37:09,690 --> 01:37:13,290 Adam Curry: Is that a new boost or an old boost? That is 1450 01:37:13,290 --> 01:37:15,810 Dave Jones: a boost from September the eighth at four 1451 01:37:15,810 --> 01:37:16,500 o'clock PM. 1452 01:37:17,190 --> 01:37:19,320 Adam Curry: Maybe he was drinkin because you sounded great on the 1453 01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:22,170 last show. You sound like a robot at all as you sound. 1454 01:37:22,769 --> 01:37:24,809 Dave Jones: I'd listen. I listened back to the show and it 1455 01:37:24,809 --> 01:37:26,189 sounded great. Yeah, I 1456 01:37:26,430 --> 01:37:28,530 Adam Curry: mean, yeah, maybe when you put it in someone's 1457 01:37:28,530 --> 01:37:31,020 head, you know, it's like I sound like a robot then people 1458 01:37:31,020 --> 01:37:33,540 hear you like a robot. Maybe not. Maybe it's subliminal. 1459 01:37:34,110 --> 01:37:36,960 Dave Jones: Well gene ever had boosted 5000 status and he said, 1460 01:37:37,110 --> 01:37:39,390 today's audio is a bit distracting, but it's not 1461 01:37:39,390 --> 01:37:42,060 horribly bad as some everyone else commented, good show. 1462 01:37:42,060 --> 01:37:45,810 Regardless, interest is not. This is not great feedback. I 1463 01:37:45,810 --> 01:37:46,140 don't. 1464 01:37:47,220 --> 01:37:50,250 Adam Curry: I'm telling you if you tell someone like yeah, my 1465 01:37:50,250 --> 01:37:52,470 audio is not good. People will hear it is not good. 1466 01:37:54,180 --> 01:37:55,530 Dave Jones: audio sounds great. 1467 01:37:56,580 --> 01:37:59,490 Adam Curry: Man, your audio. I mean, it's like it's like velvet 1468 01:37:59,490 --> 01:38:00,480 in my ears. Dave 1469 01:38:01,020 --> 01:38:03,660 Dave Jones: is he doesn't want it just like why? 1470 01:38:03,690 --> 01:38:06,270 Adam Curry: Why? It's like fine wine. It's like a chocolate ice 1471 01:38:06,270 --> 01:38:06,780 cream. 1472 01:38:09,450 --> 01:38:12,870 Dave Jones: Gene been 2222 He says I'm like y'all Adam. I 1473 01:38:12,870 --> 01:38:15,300 don't come close to my bandwidth cap on Linode each month, I'd 1474 01:38:15,300 --> 01:38:18,120 happily donate my unused bandwidth. Good. 1475 01:38:19,440 --> 01:38:22,050 Adam Curry: IPFS right. IPFS Yeah. 1476 01:38:22,650 --> 01:38:25,650 Dave Jones: Yep. Joe Martin music 2100 SATs through 1477 01:38:25,650 --> 01:38:30,780 fountain. No note. Thank you, Joe. My name is Joe Martin. So 1478 01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:38,340 they Ryan Hirsch is working on working with Cameron to build 1479 01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:44,340 like a remote IPFS management thing and the best I understand 1480 01:38:44,340 --> 01:38:49,650 it. It's so that you can host your IPFS podcasting content on 1481 01:38:49,650 --> 01:38:53,640 a node somewhere else but then manage it from a local local 1482 01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:54,180 machine. 1483 01:38:54,300 --> 01:38:55,650 Adam Curry: Oh, okay. 1484 01:38:55,710 --> 01:38:58,050 Dave Jones: I think you might understand as you can manage it. 1485 01:38:58,590 --> 01:39:01,110 I may be wrong, but I think it's like you could meant the the 1486 01:39:01,110 --> 01:39:04,050 IPFS podcasting code is running like on your own polar star 1487 01:39:04,050 --> 01:39:08,070 nine. But then the repository and IPFS daemon are in the cloud 1488 01:39:08,070 --> 01:39:08,550 somewhere 1489 01:39:08,580 --> 01:39:12,840 Adam Curry: and doesn't include a gateway the because I'm ready 1490 01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:17,070 to I'm ready to host anyway. I want to be a gateway as soon as 1491 01:39:17,070 --> 01:39:17,700 possible. 1492 01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:23,100 Dave Jones: See is a anonymous 22 330 threes for cast? ematic 1493 01:39:23,100 --> 01:39:26,160 No, no, thank you anonymous appreciate it mortals podcast. 1494 01:39:26,220 --> 01:39:30,150 4444 through fountain he says top 100 playlist would be 1495 01:39:30,150 --> 01:39:36,630 amazing. I would 100% use that 100% Come on Dave say it again. 1496 01:39:36,690 --> 01:39:41,310 You know you want to 100% 100,000% 1497 01:39:44,070 --> 01:39:47,310 Adam Curry: I got another 100% 100% Lee 1498 01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:48,240 Dave Jones: 100% 1499 01:39:49,590 --> 01:39:57,210 Adam Curry: Okay. We got to release the crack. Oh yeah. 100% 1500 01:39:57,240 --> 01:39:58,230 Yeah. 1501 01:39:59,160 --> 01:40:01,920 Dave Jones: Down under law. 100% 1502 01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:04,860 Adam Curry: agree. I got a million of them. I got a 1503 01:40:04,860 --> 01:40:05,160 million. 1504 01:40:07,379 --> 01:40:10,679 Dave Jones: Becker vice chats that's a Richard 1111 Shawn my 1505 01:40:10,679 --> 01:40:13,079 brother podcasting 2.0 Hey brother. 1506 01:40:13,169 --> 01:40:14,399 Adam Curry: Hey brother boost boost 1507 01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:18,570 Dave Jones: boost. Chris last that would be Chris from Jupiter 1508 01:40:18,570 --> 01:40:24,300 broadcasting 68,848 cents nice boost boots on the ground 1509 01:40:24,300 --> 01:40:27,300 report. Jupiter broadcasting is distributing our office hours 1510 01:40:27,300 --> 01:40:31,470 podcast via IPFS podcasting and it's working well our community 1511 01:40:31,470 --> 01:40:34,020 is busy spinning up nodes to help support the network and 1512 01:40:34,020 --> 01:40:36,840 we're looking at firing up some gateway Yes, 1513 01:40:36,840 --> 01:40:39,720 Adam Curry: yes. Yes like the final 1514 01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:41,310 Dave Jones: piece to truly be sovereign with our 1515 01:40:41,310 --> 01:40:42,360 infrastructure fire. 1516 01:40:42,839 --> 01:40:46,409 Adam Curry: Fire FIRE I'm ready. Oh, cool, man. Very nice. Good 1517 01:40:46,409 --> 01:40:49,199 work. Good work over there. Jupiter broadcasting community. 1518 01:40:49,500 --> 01:40:51,810 Dave Jones: Did you also see their Jupiter station 1519 01:40:52,289 --> 01:40:54,299 Adam Curry: know what they have a moon base 1520 01:40:57,150 --> 01:41:00,840 Dave Jones: that's Brian know this they have the Jupiter 1521 01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:06,030 station is a live 24/7 radio like broadcast of their old back 1522 01:41:06,030 --> 01:41:09,720 catalogue. They're now using the lit they live item tag to 1523 01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:10,170 distribute. 1524 01:41:10,200 --> 01:41:13,470 Adam Curry: Oh no, I hadn't I'll subscribe that's kind of cool. 1525 01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:18,240 Dave Jones: Pod ping dot cloud token this morning so they can 1526 01:41:18,240 --> 01:41:23,970 paying for it. Beautiful. Sir looks a lot 13 370s through pod 1527 01:41:23,970 --> 01:41:27,120 verse he says May these humble few sets swell in your wallet 1528 01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:32,190 like a bad lithium battery. But with but with happier outcomes 1529 01:41:32,190 --> 01:41:35,220 for your pocket. I love what you all do together. It feels like 1530 01:41:35,220 --> 01:41:38,010 I'm witness to the birth of a profound and good thing. 1531 01:41:38,220 --> 01:41:41,820 Exciting and warms my heart. outstanding value dear friends, 1532 01:41:41,910 --> 01:41:43,800 more sets to follow Cheers. 1533 01:41:43,830 --> 01:41:46,800 Adam Curry: Thank you. We love Samuel 1534 01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:50,610 Dave Jones: W. Satchel Richard 1111 No note. Thank you, Joe. 1535 01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:59,640 Thanks, Joe. nega through pot friend. One. Amiga. Cool. My 1536 01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:06,030 Dutch is flawless. Yes, great. Six. Oh, Cameron. 65 535. Oh, 1537 01:42:06,030 --> 01:42:08,190 that's a what is that? That's 1538 01:42:08,610 --> 01:42:09,660 Adam Curry: in a chip. 1539 01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:13,020 Dave Jones: That's a word. Now that's that's the maximum 1540 01:42:13,020 --> 01:42:17,880 integer value of a word, which is 16 bits. So like 1541 01:42:17,910 --> 01:42:21,510 Adam Curry: entity, five like interplanetary was what was the? 1542 01:42:21,960 --> 01:42:24,510 What was that one the longest word? I used to know it by 1543 01:42:24,510 --> 01:42:30,060 heart. Interplanetary aneurysm no into. Man. I know. 1544 01:42:30,060 --> 01:42:32,670 Supercalifragilistic expialidocious. But then there 1545 01:42:32,670 --> 01:42:36,480 was the longest well look it up while you continue. 1546 01:42:37,259 --> 01:42:42,479 Dave Jones: Okay, the Yeah. The that's an unseen that is if your 1547 01:42:42,509 --> 01:42:46,979 16 bits is an unsigned integer. So just Oh, yeah. To clarify 1548 01:42:46,979 --> 01:42:47,219 that. 1549 01:42:47,339 --> 01:42:50,879 Adam Curry: antidisestablishmentarianism. antidisestablishmentarianism. 1550 01:42:51,599 --> 01:42:54,719 Dave Jones: No, that's like, that's like in for labs area. 1551 01:42:56,609 --> 01:43:00,239 Tech Metal 21 cent 5000 SATs through fountain he says, just 1552 01:43:00,239 --> 01:43:02,849 trying to participate. Here's what's in my wallet. Thank you 1553 01:43:02,849 --> 01:43:05,819 for all you do for podcasting. 2.0 used to grant Thank you. 1554 01:43:06,209 --> 01:43:13,679 Thank you. Anonymous 617 out of 12345 sets through cast ematic 1555 01:43:14,429 --> 01:43:18,629 for is this test boosting toy. See if Dave gets some of the new 1556 01:43:18,629 --> 01:43:21,989 features of the latest cast. thematic beta. Value time split 1557 01:43:22,019 --> 01:43:24,929 to V? Yep. Awesome. Nice work, Franco. 1558 01:43:25,110 --> 01:43:26,790 Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. I mean, everyone's really stepping up on 1559 01:43:26,790 --> 01:43:29,400 the TLVs. That's great. So happy to see lots 1560 01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:33,060 Dave Jones: of lots of fixes. Yes, Sam has fixed things. Mitch 1561 01:43:33,060 --> 01:43:38,100 has fixed things. Franco has fixed stuff. Yeah, great. Great. 1562 01:43:38,100 --> 01:43:43,140 Good work, everybody. Macintosh 2222 says IPFS gateway sounds 1563 01:43:43,140 --> 01:43:47,250 like a great idea. Macintosh. Nice. Set well, not anonymous 1564 01:43:47,400 --> 01:43:50,370 5000 staff through pod verse. He says inside dirt on how the 1565 01:43:50,370 --> 01:43:53,250 establishment podcast is streaming music industry. Work 1566 01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:56,400 is interesting. We need to raise awareness, especially on the 1567 01:43:56,400 --> 01:43:57,420 consumer side. 1568 01:43:59,130 --> 01:44:01,050 Adam Curry: You know who's going to raise awareness the artists 1569 01:44:01,050 --> 01:44:04,890 themselves. They've all got a fan base. Everyone will support 1570 01:44:04,890 --> 01:44:08,670 them. They bring in people it's it's a built in built in Beauty 1571 01:44:08,670 --> 01:44:09,150 System. 1572 01:44:09,870 --> 01:44:13,260 Dave Jones: They'll raise awareness by releasing awesome 1573 01:44:13,260 --> 01:44:19,770 tracks. Yeah. Source de 1701 That's a Star Trek boost. Your 1574 01:44:19,770 --> 01:44:22,680 sound is harsh, prickly wondering if the noise gate is 1575 01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:24,630 cutting things off too soon. Too much. 1576 01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:28,410 Adam Curry: Well, thank you. This hurts man. This hurts my 1577 01:44:28,410 --> 01:44:31,200 heart. No, no, but I have to remind what am I hearing? Hold 1578 01:44:31,200 --> 01:44:36,930 on. I have to remind everybody that I had three people on the 1579 01:44:36,930 --> 01:44:42,780 same sound channel on the last show, so I had to get a happy 1580 01:44:42,780 --> 01:44:46,950 medium so everybody sounded kind of okay. That's that's the 1581 01:44:46,950 --> 01:44:49,230 problem when you have multiple guests. 1582 01:44:49,950 --> 01:44:52,290 Dave Jones: This is the real test. This is because this is 1583 01:44:52,290 --> 01:44:53,640 just me and you, baby. Yeah, 1584 01:44:53,700 --> 01:44:56,460 Adam Curry: I think I mean, in my ears. It sounds good. 1585 01:44:57,330 --> 01:45:03,180 Dave Jones: Okay, cool. See Thank you so much D 33 333. Cola 1586 01:45:03,180 --> 01:45:06,660 Mona sir Libra. Oh, his shoes his show is great lightning 1587 01:45:06,660 --> 01:45:07,470 thrashes that's 1588 01:45:07,589 --> 01:45:10,739 Adam Curry: Oh yeah, that's it's Is that where you got your 1589 01:45:10,739 --> 01:45:13,949 suggestion from today? Because if not and belongs on that show. 1590 01:45:13,979 --> 01:45:17,249 I was mastered very hard very hard rockin 1591 01:45:17,729 --> 01:45:22,589 Dave Jones: boost. Yep. This the IR dagger show. Dear Adam and 1592 01:45:22,589 --> 01:45:25,169 Dave, I would like to draw your attention to a new V for V music 1593 01:45:25,169 --> 01:45:28,409 podcast, much in the style yet less refined than the world 1594 01:45:28,409 --> 01:45:31,589 renowned booster Graham ball. This one features the highly 1595 01:45:31,589 --> 01:45:34,769 energetic hardcore headbanging that only metal music can 1596 01:45:34,769 --> 01:45:40,199 provide. 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This is because I hate 1608 01:46:19,980 --> 01:46:22,830 Thunderbird and I don't know how to get back to my deleted items. 1609 01:46:23,970 --> 01:46:25,350 Adam Curry: Go to your deleted inbox. 1610 01:46:26,490 --> 01:46:27,270 Dave Jones: Let's say here. 1611 01:46:27,389 --> 01:46:32,189 Adam Curry: Here's 15,550 For Mike Newman double striper boost 1612 01:46:34,379 --> 01:46:38,909 from the day job biz, from the day job this trip this week. 1613 01:46:38,939 --> 01:46:43,289 Give them another one that is double love tracking the V for V 1614 01:46:43,289 --> 01:46:46,529 music development and stacking tunes into the it's a mood 1615 01:46:46,559 --> 01:46:49,919 tracklist for the next episode, which I love listening to that. 1616 01:46:50,909 --> 01:46:55,409 Kudos to Steven B's music V for V community forming and telegram 1617 01:46:55,409 --> 01:47:02,729 go podcast. You bet brother. Great show. Great show. I love I 1618 01:47:02,729 --> 01:47:06,719 love him. Because he's the the opposite of me. He's like, hey, 1619 01:47:06,719 --> 01:47:10,289 everybody's super chill. It's like hey, hey, if your hair is 1620 01:47:10,289 --> 01:47:13,589 all still stuck back from listen to booster Graham ball and your 1621 01:47:13,589 --> 01:47:17,009 ears are buzzing chill out with me Mike Newman on it's a mood. 1622 01:47:17,550 --> 01:47:22,800 Dave Jones: It's sort of like parts of space. Like our Global 1623 01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:24,000 Public Radio, Alison 1624 01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:25,590 Adam Curry: Steele the night bird 1625 01:47:26,220 --> 01:47:29,310 Dave Jones: and the nightmare. There's a there was hard to 1626 01:47:29,310 --> 01:47:33,900 space and there was some other some other late night peep the 1627 01:47:34,290 --> 01:47:37,050 public radio show. 1628 01:47:37,710 --> 01:47:39,240 Adam Curry: I don't know. I don't know. 1629 01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:43,770 Dave Jones: Man. It's gonna hit me later. Comic Strip blogger 1630 01:47:43,830 --> 01:47:48,180 30 3015 through fountain says hello podcasting 2.0 Friends 1631 01:47:48,180 --> 01:47:50,940 Adam and Dave. I want to recommend the podcast called 1632 01:47:50,940 --> 01:47:57,180 Planet rage. Which can be found at WWW dot planet rage dot show. 1633 01:47:57,750 --> 01:48:02,100 It's reminiscent of no agenda. But features have Polish here 1634 01:48:02,100 --> 01:48:02,730 and O'Neill 1635 01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:08,310 Adam Curry: O'Neill sounds so Polish Polak 1636 01:48:11,580 --> 01:48:15,330 Dave Jones: he's only half polish. Okay, what is the Darren 1637 01:48:15,330 --> 01:48:21,960 part in place of half polish Dvorak and half Irish Larry. 1638 01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:26,310 Instead of half Scottish Adam. Larry has such a deep voice that 1639 01:48:26,310 --> 01:48:29,130 when he speaks every woman nearby thinks her phone just 1640 01:48:29,130 --> 01:48:32,370 vibrated. Jesus. 1641 01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:37,440 Adam Curry: Yo, yo, exactly. 1642 01:48:37,830 --> 01:48:39,240 Dave Jones: All right, everybody's half polish 1643 01:48:39,240 --> 01:48:39,750 evidently. 1644 01:48:40,020 --> 01:48:42,180 Adam Curry: Thank you all very much buddy missing thank you so 1645 01:48:42,180 --> 01:48:44,580 much, everybody for boosting got a monthly Is there a date? 1646 01:48:44,970 --> 01:48:45,870 Monthly? So we got 1647 01:48:45,900 --> 01:48:49,110 Dave Jones: Christopher Hara Barack $10 Mitch Downey $10 1648 01:48:49,110 --> 01:48:56,130 Terry Keller $5 Jeremy Kavanaugh for $10 Chris Callen. $5 Derek 1649 01:48:56,130 --> 01:49:00,900 J. Vickery, the best name in podcasting. $21 Paul Saltzman 1650 01:49:00,900 --> 01:49:07,170 $22.22 Thank you, Paul. Damon, Cassie, Jack $15 and Jeremy 1651 01:49:07,170 --> 01:49:08,460 Garrett's $5 1652 01:49:09,150 --> 01:49:11,610 Adam Curry: Excellent. Thank you all so much, we appreciate it 1653 01:49:11,610 --> 01:49:15,840 the value makes us feel good. All the Satoshis that go into 1654 01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:19,710 the node we use that for liquidity opening up channels 1655 01:49:19,710 --> 01:49:23,340 anybody who needs them hit me up hit me up on podcast index dot 1656 01:49:23,340 --> 01:49:26,580 social Adam mccurry.com. If you need liquidity for any your 1657 01:49:26,580 --> 01:49:30,570 project for your node for your, your music, whatever it is, 1658 01:49:30,600 --> 01:49:33,900 remember we have to be decentralized minds will have a 1659 01:49:33,900 --> 01:49:38,340 backup you never know stuff can happen. And of course, the Pay 1660 01:49:38,340 --> 01:49:40,680 Pal goes towards paying the bills for the servers and 1661 01:49:40,680 --> 01:49:43,080 keeping everything running and keeping a little bit in reserve 1662 01:49:43,230 --> 01:49:46,350 in case we keel over. And the pay pals will just keep going 1663 01:49:46,350 --> 01:49:49,500 Linode will get paid and it'll run for a couple of years is not 1664 01:49:49,500 --> 01:49:55,590 the idea. That's the idea. Yeah. I feel like we've like let me 1665 01:49:55,590 --> 01:49:57,690 ask you this. How do you feel now? Do you feel calmer since 1666 01:49:57,690 --> 01:49:59,280 when you came into the show? Today? 1667 01:49:59,370 --> 01:50:01,650 Dave Jones: The museum about an exercise I feel I do feel 1668 01:50:01,650 --> 01:50:06,480 better. I feel like I retract. I formally officially retract all 1669 01:50:06,480 --> 01:50:09,120 wishes of venereal disease on other people. 1670 01:50:12,210 --> 01:50:19,320 Adam Curry: It's, you know, it's it's easy to get discouraged. 1671 01:50:21,270 --> 01:50:27,060 Dave Jones: I rarely get angry. But it just got me this way. It 1672 01:50:27,060 --> 01:50:31,110 just it just got me it got all over me. I mean, like, Monday, I 1673 01:50:31,110 --> 01:50:35,040 was like me, you know, and by today I was just like 1674 01:50:38,340 --> 01:50:43,650 Adam Curry: well, there is so much to be excited about. So 1675 01:50:43,650 --> 01:50:47,370 many great things happening so many new people coming into our 1676 01:50:47,670 --> 01:50:52,650 orbit. And I'm just really happy about music. It's been such a 1677 01:50:52,650 --> 01:50:55,860 rediscovery for me it was so turned off I lived in the hits 1678 01:50:55,860 --> 01:51:02,550 for many decades and now to be in this in this ecosystem with 1679 01:51:02,580 --> 01:51:04,650 with the people who are a part of it, the people who are 1680 01:51:04,650 --> 01:51:08,460 joining the curiosity, the excitement from other people. 1681 01:51:08,970 --> 01:51:13,500 It's just, it's fantastic. It really is. You've given an old 1682 01:51:13,500 --> 01:51:16,080 guy a reason to live. Thank you so much. 1683 01:51:17,070 --> 01:51:18,960 Dave Jones: It's a great movie on town Hallmark. 1684 01:51:20,190 --> 01:51:22,530 Adam Curry: All right, brother back to the grind for you, Dave 1685 01:51:22,530 --> 01:51:25,950 Have yourself a great weekend friend. Me too, man. All right, 1686 01:51:25,950 --> 01:51:28,140 everybody in the chat room. Thank you all so much, everybody 1687 01:51:28,140 --> 01:51:31,590 listening, this was boom. We're gambling out this board meeting. 1688 01:51:32,010 --> 01:51:35,040 And we'll be back next week with another board meeting of the 1689 01:51:35,040 --> 01:51:38,640 official podcasting 2.0 board. You're invited because you're a 1690 01:51:38,640 --> 01:51:39,120 part of it. 1691 01:51:54,990 --> 01:51:59,520 Unknown: You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 1692 01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:03,390 index.org. For more information, podcasts or cool 1693 01:52:03,390 --> 01:52:07,740 Adam Curry: podcasts. 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