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Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0 From
May 26 2023, episode 134 GPG

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Well, hello everybody, welcome
to podcasting. 2.0 the podcast

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that is the official board
meeting of podcasting 2.0 The

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boardroom, Warren Buffett is
forbidden from joining. That's

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right. We do have the best
drinks. Everything happening at

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podcasts index.org the podcast
namespace and of course podcast

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index dot social I'm Adam curry
here in the heart of the Texas

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Hill Country and Alabama the man
who has only five emails in his

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inbox say hello to my friend on
the other end ladies and

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gentlemen Mr. Dave Jones

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Dave Jones: straight up JT

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Adam Curry: I saw only five
emails in it but that must have

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been just the podcast index
inbox right?

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Dave Jones: Oh yeah, my other
seven inboxes they're all loaded

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up. No,

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Adam Curry: I'm a universal
inbox kind of guy. I'm like give

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it all to me at one point No,
really? No,

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Dave Jones: no, no, no, no,
there's way too much. Now this

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is that's terrifying to even
think about

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Adam Curry: but I filter I
filter stuff into into other

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places. Now because

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Dave Jones: you're the horrible
thing that happens when you have

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unified inbox is you end up
responding from the wrong

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account.

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Adam Curry: Well, no, no no.
Excuse me. Okay, no, I

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understand what you're saying
because I you know, like pod

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info podcast index.org They get
Adam mccurry.com back they don't

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get stuck Yeah,

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Dave Jones: don't do that. I
can't do that. Yeah, I gotta

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keep that separation of
concerns.

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Adam Curry: Do you have separate
you separate email programs do

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you have used like a Gmail and
there's something else really

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Dave Jones: what I need I am so
horribly ADHD that I need. I

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need to have separate like
distinct I will use separate

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email clients just to keep
myself in check. Wow, from

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messing up. Wow, that is I mean
I'll use different Brett I use

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like four different browsers
I'll use edge chrome brave and

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in Firefox, just to keep things
like on the same computer at the

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same time just to keep things in
different like organized

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differently well, it helps me to
have to it helps me not to have

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to think about it so I can be
rapid response

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Adam Curry: well this is where
our roads separate my friend.

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This is where we differ quite a
bit at night okay my pitch you

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see my pitch to Bitcoin 2024

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Dave Jones: No, I did that that
was that was a nice pitch. Right

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I don't think you had to pitch
hard because they were really

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they're ready to get the ball in
the mood no matter what.

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Adam Curry: Did you see the
whole thread because it was a

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longer thread with a they were
Yeah, they were almost begging

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me like hey man can't come to
Bitcoin K coming to Miami. Like

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no man I really don't I'm not
coming to Miami this year.

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Dave Jones: And nothing against
Miami people I don't know if you

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call him Miamians or whatever.
It's just not my talent. I can't

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I don't like that term.

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Adam Curry: I don't like the
fact that I need to you know

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that I need to transfer flights
there's no direct flight from

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anywhere in this area. So no,
it's just a hard No.

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Dave Jones: The only time I've
ever been we lived across the

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street from a chicken that woke
me up at a restaurant at 430 in

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the morning every day which was
so weird in downtown Miami so

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Adam Curry: that's funny That's
very funny

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Dave Jones: man up so Melissa in
Miracle they're gone like they

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when they went to the beach go
in um I'm by myself for for the

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weekend. Hidden I'm going to be
programming my fingers off and

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doing a database upgrade.
Upgrade I got a buddy of mine

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gave me a smoker gave me his old
smoker a couple nine a couple of

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weeks. Now you're talking and
South preps and some baby back

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ribs before the show with Do you
know meet church meet the church

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meet church

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Adam Curry: meet no I'm not
familiar with meet church

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Dave Jones: yeah they make they
make rubs

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Adam Curry: oh yes I do know
Yeah. Oh, so you got your own

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special rub the rub you like

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Dave Jones: I got it's called
this is called the Holy Gospel

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and

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Adam Curry: set you on fire.

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Dave Jones: Yeah. saves you from
the fire. This is all smoke no

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fire that's Oh, I

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Adam Curry: got a nice nice nice
nice yeah, so

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Dave Jones: we you know, I've
prepped up some baby back ribs

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are gonna turn around a smoker.
Have you seen the pellet smokers

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that had the wood pellets?

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Adam Curry: I have. We've
actually looked at those but I'm

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not much of a smoker. I'm more
like a Burnet

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Dave Jones: shore blazers.

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Adam Curry: Let me just finish
up the Bitcoin pitch Usually

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what we pitch is like, hey, you
know, Bitcoin 20 fits in

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Nashville this year. And I said,
well, by coincidence, my partner

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in podcasting 2.0, Dave and I,
we've just been talking about it

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because it's only a couple hours
from his house and I can get a

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direct flight from San Antonio
to Nashville. So yeah, we'd be

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happy to come and let me pitch
you. Why don't we do a session

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where we have a couple of app
developers? A couple of

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podcasters and a couple of
musicians who are all benefiting

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from this new ecosystem killer
idea did they did they get back

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to his yet because my email
boxes to full

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Dave Jones: minute man is not
for so let me

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Adam Curry: I am so behind you.
I went I went to do Glenn Beck

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on Tuesday, so that whole day
was out. Then wednesday i Oh,

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man, I had a massive adjustment
to my mouth, which was kind of

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fun.

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Dave Jones: What do you what do
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adjustment to your mouth? Well,
not something my mom did to me

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when I was a kid if I

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Adam Curry: know so now we have
now the the the posts are in

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right of eight posts in there.
And we're getting close to

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starting to do the first actual
teeth that you screw on to them

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which will be temporaries
because now we're we're going to

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be training the gums so so you
don't have like this you know

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two straight line gum you know
you want to kind of flow over

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you want to look as natural as
possible. So I'll have these

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temporary teeth and they'll
literally screw the man with

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with a torque wrench and move
them up Yeah, but wait, here's

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the cool thing so so he's
alright so now he had some

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stitches to take out which is
always out but they're

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apparently on these these posts
they're little caps kind of like

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lug nuts he said let me know let
me let me unscrew them. So he's

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he's unscrewing them with with
with an Allen wrench little mini

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allen wrench and that's the
weirdest feeling it's like like

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your car

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Dave Jones: get the air tool

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Adam Curry: no matter what it
wasn't when he wasn't with the

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air tool. It was literally by
hand and then hand the hand

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unscrews them and then he put
some temporary posts in I mean

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the whole it's it didn't hurt.
It was just weird. Weird to feel

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so unscrewing something into
your bone because you

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Dave Jones: have your did heavy
on the lift

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Adam Curry: upside down on the
list Hey, did they get Did you

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find anything to get back to us?
I don't see anything.

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Dave Jones: I can't find my
folders as something is

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Adam Curry: exactly Oh, here it
is. What's this Bitcoin? Bonus

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this.

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Dave Jones: Where are my
folders? I don't like this.

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Adam Curry: Oh, here it is.
Okay. Oh, we got Oh, we got

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something. Oh, we got something
back. Adam you rock you rock.

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Not you rock, rock, rock. Love
the way your mind works in the V

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four V model and prac I'm
reading this. I'm reading this

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cold people. That said I'm not
including our Chief of Staff,

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Brandon, General Manager, c k
and b 24. PROGRAMMING LEAD. Alex

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McShane to bring together
thought leaders for beat 24 We

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should plan a kickoff call to
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think, wow, I think we're in

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Dave Jones: sweet. I mean, what
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to do? Exactly what Yeah, but
what is the what is the

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presentation going to be? Oh,
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Adam Curry: gonna be here. Hold
on a second. They want to call a

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roundtable No, we're gonna do
yeah, we'll do. We'll just do a

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panel. To panel. Okay. Yeah, so
they love it. So here's what I

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pitched. We presented before
Okay, V for V at the podcast, V

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for Wii. To get some app
developers developers talk about

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their experiences and also
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To have all focused on that. We
started testing a new feature

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allows podcaster to play song
from any artists that has a

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wallet and the V for V info C
Wave Lake and dystopia actually

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switch the wallet during the
song to the artists and their

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value splits for the duration.
We already put four songs into

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the wav Lake top 40 Just doing
the test and work on work on the

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pot and then I say the
podcasting 2.0 Group is a quite

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a it's really quite a cool
community that is open source

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and hasn't blown up even after
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Dave Jones: years. That is a
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Adam Curry: show they're all in
they love it we're in.

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Dave Jones: And so I think you
want to do like there should be

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alive. Now

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Adam Curry: we'll do a demo.
We'll do live demo and of course

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we're going to do a live demo.
Absolutely. And then when I

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think we should make it
completely crazy and we'll get

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some maybe like get Joe Martin
you know because he What does

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that know the bill? Oh, this Oh,
that's chunky

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Dave Jones: red cat. You're

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Adam Curry: the chicken so we
don't know Yo the chickens. I

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gotta say,

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Dave Jones: yes. Now listen,

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Adam Curry: so we'll do it.
We'll do a quick little preset

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demo something that won't fail.
Okay, then we bring out a couple

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of devs. Right?

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Dave Jones: So devs devs willing
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Adam Curry: we'll figure it out.
I mean, we're gonna everyone's

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getting flown in baby.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, on the on the
on the g4 or whatever. No,

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Adam Curry: no southwest, but
everyone's got flown in, of

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course. Of course, we're gonna
bring in some devs and maybe

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bring in Joe Martin, and wait
for it. So then we show how

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everything works. And then
everyone talks about the

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experience. Then Joe Martin
plays Live and we then we put up

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the split, split kit QR code.
Yeah, of course. Of course.

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Yeah, I can do it. I'm excited.
This is great. This is gonna be

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dynamite.

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Dave Jones: I love it. This is
awesome. Yes, I'm totally down.

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This is good. This is this the
way you do it. This is going to

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be on the this is going to be on
the river financial stage.

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Adam Curry: Do I want on the
mainstage? Baby main major bust?

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You bet mainstream?

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Dave Jones: What come on right
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see that's Wait a second. Oh,
What? What? This is great. This

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is great. Because right? This is
going to be 2024 before the

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election. This is going to be
right in the middle of politics.

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Oh, you're right. You're right
there. So we can come on right

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after whatever presidential
candidate bullcrap that they

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that they do. And just draw just
I mean, like, totally soak up

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the keep getting us.

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Adam Curry: No, that's me.
That's me. And there's something

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wrong here on my end. I'm not
sure what. My teeth Yes, my

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teeth. I'm feeding but I don't
know why. which for some reason,

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I'm getting feedback. Anyone
picking

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Dave Jones: up two meters on the
ionosphere? Yeah.

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Adam Curry: I wonder if I could
actually broadcast or receive

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through those things. I could
put an antenna in my mouth.

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Alright, anyway.

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Dave Jones: Big now. That could
be a big conference is what I'm

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trying to say. It's gonna be

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Adam Curry: it's gonna be a
great conference in Nashville.

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Which is cool.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. It's
June right into June. Yeah.

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Adam Curry: I just didn't know
it was I think it's may just

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ended. It'll be April, April,
May, May, June, whatever. Okay,

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it's good. Great. All right. So
this is going to work. I love

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this. Dynamite.

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Dave Jones: Bill audiences built
in boosts. This is

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Adam Curry: great. Yeah. And
we're gonna show everybody how

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it works and how, more
importantly, how we as a

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community, how would how the
value flow by sharing the value,

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which of course is the whole
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Dave Jones: I don't think it's,
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it's not it's not nutty. I mean,
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Adam Curry: boy, even alive. He
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mean. I don't see his tail tail.
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Adam Curry: Well, I'll reach out
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Dave Jones: This this is
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Adam Curry: it was me. I knew
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Dave Jones: About the YouTube
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Adam Curry: Yes. So, so, so did
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the last show? From Erika from
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read that right? Yeah, yeah. And
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Dave Jones: Yeah Here it is
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Adam Curry: what happened. So
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Erica work on my team at YouTube
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Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly check
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launched some really incredible
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replied and said until you
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podcast app, we are not
interested regards and and she

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this already. This is some AI
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rude email for me was not did
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great weekend. Yes, like she's
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completely. And by the way, her
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hear you. And we'd like to
invite you to participate in a

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RSS ingestion will allow the
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podcast show. Grace to be
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discuss further details on what
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what the beta entails. Let me
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it has a PDF attached may bring
this up. Yeah.

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Dave Jones: It said Hi, Eric,
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Adam Curry: And it's the YouTube
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last updated January 10 2023. So
it's been out for a while,

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please do not share outside your
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because you're my organization.
Right podcasting. And, and so I

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immediately forwarded that to
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if you got it from anybody else.
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see this. And then all of a
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Dave Jones: And so you didn't
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Adam Curry: no NDA. There was no
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said, wow, that's really weird.
They say please do not share

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Now Amanda just sent this to me.
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this has been out for a while.
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examples are CNN is one thing
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cast Pittsburgh and the daily
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over. I've put it in the show
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Dave Jones: Correct? Yes. Okay.
Yes. Podcasting. 2.0

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Dave Jones: Okay, I have
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Dave Jones: It pisses me off.

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Adam Curry: It doesn't piss me
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Dave Jones: Let me tell you
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off. What pisses me off is that
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will jump on board and go all in
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even though, so I mean, we have
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appropriate dai time
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things in podcast and chapters
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kind of stuff. We've been what I
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contain any ads, it must be
basically a clean episode

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upload. We're gonna take it,
we're not going to give you any

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pass through we're not going to
give you stats, we're just going

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to suck this thing in and we're
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Good luck, Sia. And you know,
that there's going to be hosting

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companies are like, Yeah, okay,
great. Cool. And in the

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meantime, you know, all the
legitimate reasons that we have

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been trying to beg people for
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months and months and months. As
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they're like, oh, yeah, cool,
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2.0 and the greater a new
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ecosystem, and that's what
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know that I know that they that
a lot of companies will jump in

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and play ball with this even
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know, screw you guys before.

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Adam Curry: Oh, well.
Interesting. Okay, here's my

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take. First of all, I'm making
sure everybody sees the full PDF

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because it's five pages. So
probably no more than you might

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have seen. Hosting hosting
companies are mentioned a couple

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of times in this document. Will
my ads from RSS feed feed carry

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over to YouTube, your ads will
be burned into the video that's

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be dynamically swapped out like

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other platforms. If you don't
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ads when YouTube requests the
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RSS feed. So I'm not quite sure
where this you have to have it

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ad free comes into that's as far
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Can I see my podcast YouTube
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platform? Not automatically, the
analytics for your podcast are

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stored on YouTube and are not
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your hosting provider. your
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many times a podcast episode was
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all podcast content and YouTube
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your behalf by our analytics
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currently support this, but
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support this soon. Interesting.
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that it's mentioned. So I'm, I'm
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this idea that you have to have
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here's here's what to me, it was
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over again. This is exactly how
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Exactly the same way. Yeah. And
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Google said we'd launched Google
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favorite websites. While the
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Over the years usage has
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will retire Google Reader. So
this is exactly the same

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strategy. And I would never do
this. Because the number one

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safeguard we have in podcasting
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hosting companies. So if as a
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promote this and to do this and
give this to your users, I

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believe you are signing your own
death warrant. Because that

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this, you are literally building
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of your eyes. All that Google
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not going to do RSS feeds
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directly to us. Here you go. And
they may even output an RSS feed

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for other apps doubtful but they
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Dave Jones: Yeah, they will.
They will begin having all this

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podcast content on there.
They'll get everybody used.

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Adam Curry: They might even make
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They could do all kinds of
things. Do not play with these

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eight holes. I'm sorry, do not
play this game. We've seen this

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before. We've seen it. Now. I
don't even believe and by the

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way for podcasters here's why
you don't want to do this. Just

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go look at all the sad stories
of pod of YouTubers who created

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an audience. Everything was
great going gangbusters

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monetizing like crazy, or even
not monetizing. And then YouTube

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decides now not today, near no
or de monetize as you or de algo

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eyes as you deprioritize as you
the whole game they play with

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the sad YouTubers is they make
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again with new content. It's
it's a it's a rat wheel.

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Dave Jones: Yeah. This is this
is there's there's so much wrong

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with this. I mean, like I
understand how so if you're if

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you're a hosting company, and
you have you have your you have

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your customers to say hey, I
really want to do this. I can

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understand why that you would
need to play that game. If you

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had if you had enough of your of
your customer bases. Like I

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really want to take advantage of
this. You know, and I don't I

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don't I don't know

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Adam Curry: why don't we take a
stand for once. Take a stand.

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No, no, no hosting company will
do this. Just for once. This is

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literally the reason why
podcasting is decentralized is

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because of the decentralized
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Dave Jones: The The only thing I
can think of is that, you know

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we've been people have been
burned so much by Google in the

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past, when Google Reader
happened, everything was still

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very new. And everything Google
still had that. I mean, if I'm

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not mistaken, on my timeline,
when Google Reader came around,

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do you know evil was still the
motto? Yeah. That was early

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days. And so at this point,
though, everybody sees the, the,

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the funeral, the greatest, give
me the graveyard of, of ditched

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Google projects. And they seen
how often they have kneecapped

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everything that they've gotten
involved in. And I don't, I'm

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not so sure that I think what I
think here's what I get, here's

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what I feel like is gonna
happen. I think there's gonna

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there are going to be hosting
companies that play ball with

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this in order to satisfy their
users. But they're going to be

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extremely cautious. I don't see.
I mean, Todd is already, he's

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already saying that, and I don't
feel comfortable with this. I

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think there's going to be a lot
of hesitation to get in bed with

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Google yet again, and have them
yank the rug out from everybody

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or pull the football, like you
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Adam Curry: Well, there's just
enough prior prior history, and

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because they're not doing and
what what benefit did we all get

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from Spotify? Seriously? And how
great was that test? Now?

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They're all we're going to be
your best partner. Yes, yes,

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that since everything else
failed, we want to be the best

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partner for you. Well, they're
not. They're not the best

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partner. They don't support any
new features. They don't support

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any anything moving forward.
They only support their own

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closed system. So

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Dave Jones: no, you know, what
was? What was a beautiful thing

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this week? I had a, I forgot why
I went on there. But veggies

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00:26:57,660 --> 00:27:00,060
jumped on to I think it was
trying to find what episode

443
00:27:00,060 --> 00:27:00,930
number we were on, because

444
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:03,570
Adam Curry: because it's been so
many

445
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:09,690
Dave Jones: men, I just don't
even remember. But I pulled up

446
00:27:09,690 --> 00:27:16,680
our show on the website. Just on
podcast index.org. And in I saw

447
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,090
the show Comments button,

448
00:27:18,450 --> 00:27:20,400
Adam Curry: or you clicked it
and you saw how many comments

449
00:27:20,430 --> 00:27:22,290
how many how often is used.

450
00:27:22,590 --> 00:27:26,760
Dave Jones: It was beautiful. It
was so beautiful. He had all

451
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:32,820
these Mastodon comments, that
because because the protocols

452
00:27:32,820 --> 00:27:38,520
were built the way they were, it
exists. I know for I know that

453
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:43,860
the comments this, this
beautifully treed hierarchical

454
00:27:43,980 --> 00:27:49,830
comments that are underneath
episode 133. I know that those

455
00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:53,610
are going to be the exact same
comments that show up in pod

456
00:27:53,610 --> 00:27:57,870
friend and pod verse. And in
every other app that supports

457
00:27:57,870 --> 00:28:01,560
it, it was really a wonderful
thing to see because it likes

458
00:28:01,590 --> 00:28:07,830
it. So So compare that with the
other, this other landscape that

459
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:12,120
we now live in, where you're
going to have comments on

460
00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:16,950
YouTube. And you're going to
have comments in Spotify or q&a

461
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:19,770
and by content over here in
Spotify, and you're gonna have

462
00:28:19,770 --> 00:28:22,920
reviews on Apple podcast, you
know, and you're gonna have

463
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,780
different comments over here in
this other silo, you're in

464
00:28:28,020 --> 00:28:30,480
enough Twitter gets in the game,
you're gonna have comments there

465
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:35,400
on Twitter, like there's do we
do we seriously want to live in

466
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:40,950
a world where there's 10,
different siloed batches of

467
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:44,520
content, where all of our stuff
lives and in a podcaster is

468
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,450
going to have to either manage
that themselves and jump back

469
00:28:48,450 --> 00:28:52,080
and forth between all these
different platforms. Or you're

470
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,100
gonna have to, you know, hire,
hire a guy to do it. This is

471
00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:58,440
dumb. This is so dumb. Okay,

472
00:28:58,889 --> 00:29:03,059
Adam Curry: I just got a I got a
ping from James, you know, my

473
00:29:03,059 --> 00:29:07,019
handler, my handler as the as
partners Deep Throat

474
00:29:07,409 --> 00:29:10,979
monetization. How should I
handle dynamic ad insertion?

475
00:29:11,009 --> 00:29:14,639
This is kind of irrelevant.
There are two types of ad like

476
00:29:14,639 --> 00:29:18,029
content that we differentiate
between one regular ads,

477
00:29:18,209 --> 00:29:20,759
typically created by the
advertiser or read by an

478
00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:25,799
announcer, and host read ads
also named sponsor segments,

479
00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:29,039
typically created and always
read by the host of the podcast.

480
00:29:29,579 --> 00:29:33,089
Oh, here we go. Regular ads are
not allowed to be uploaded to

481
00:29:33,089 --> 00:29:36,149
YouTube requests. We request
feeds to be ad free. Well,

482
00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:39,479
that's interesting because it
kind of goes against what they

483
00:29:39,479 --> 00:29:43,679
said earlier. Sponsored segments
are allowed to be uploaded to

484
00:29:43,679 --> 00:29:47,309
YouTube. Each upload episode
needs to be marked on YouTube

485
00:29:47,309 --> 00:29:50,669
studio to include sponsorship
see more information on the paid

486
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:57,539
product placement policy. Will
my ads Okay, so those ads will

487
00:29:57,539 --> 00:30:00,659
be burned into the video that's
uploaded. If it's if it's And in

488
00:30:01,919 --> 00:30:04,619
St. Yeah, exactly.

489
00:30:05,610 --> 00:30:09,810
Dave Jones: But you can't pump
your dynamic your dai episode

490
00:30:09,810 --> 00:30:10,890
into into YouTube.

491
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,540
Adam Curry: No you can't. So,

492
00:30:12,690 --> 00:30:16,650
Dave Jones: so YouTube says hey,
we need you to upload us a clean

493
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:21,180
episode that doesn't have dai in
it. And there's some there's

494
00:30:21,180 --> 00:30:23,310
some hosts out there that are
gonna say okay,

495
00:30:23,580 --> 00:30:26,100
Adam Curry: no they're not
they're not going to be hosts to

496
00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:26,820
do that. No,

497
00:30:26,820 --> 00:30:29,160
Dave Jones: there's going to be
at least a couple yeah enough

498
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:29,400
about

499
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:32,430
Adam Curry: enough about Lipson
no other guys are going to do

500
00:30:32,430 --> 00:30:37,650
it. No, they'd be crazy. Yeah.
What's What's the benefit?

501
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,150
You're I mean you're literally
giving your store away. Okay

502
00:30:42,180 --> 00:30:44,910
YouTube you go monetize and not
give me anything

503
00:30:45,869 --> 00:30:50,459
Dave Jones: Yeah, but they're
gonna give you stats we we get

504
00:30:50,459 --> 00:30:52,529
the money we get the
monetization money. Yeah,

505
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,400
Adam Curry: we get some pretty
graphs. Oh, look, I have five

506
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,350
listeners in Israel. Oh

507
00:31:00,630 --> 00:31:04,290
Dave Jones: no, this is a joke.
Well, anyway, it's a joke.

508
00:31:04,350 --> 00:31:08,550
Adam Curry: It is it's the RSS
is not going away. RSS is not

509
00:31:08,550 --> 00:31:11,820
going to be hijacked. The only
thing that can be hijacked is

510
00:31:11,850 --> 00:31:18,120
certainly some podcasters who
will come it'll be very sad. And

511
00:31:19,650 --> 00:31:24,750
getting all kinds of I guess
there are going to be one or two

512
00:31:24,750 --> 00:31:27,060
hosts who will do this. All
right. Well, fine. I'm just

513
00:31:27,060 --> 00:31:30,180
telling this is your business.
Yeah, I'm getting I'm getting

514
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,780
now I'm getting deep throat to
the Deep Throat. This is a deep,

515
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,660
deep throat episode. Oh, maybe
that is what I need to say Deep

516
00:31:36,660 --> 00:31:41,490
Throat inception. Sounds bad as
a title. I don't know why

517
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,330
Dave Jones: it does. Yes. I
mean, let me go one step

518
00:31:45,330 --> 00:31:50,760
further. Sure. The you know, I
don't know if you've been sort

519
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,630
of kind of keeping track of this
phenomena in the in the

520
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:58,170
podcasting industry. But there's
this leak. Let me just read this

521
00:31:58,170 --> 00:32:05,670
from what is this? This is the
Bloomberg lady. I forgot what

522
00:32:05,670 --> 00:32:09,390
she calls this. Says Ashley
Carr. Ashley Carmen is a this

523
00:32:09,390 --> 00:32:14,460
is. This this paragraph stuck
out to me. While these two

524
00:32:14,460 --> 00:32:17,880
companies were snapped up other
buyers are circling and looking

525
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,180
for possible investments. Chris
Peterson, a former iHeartMedia

526
00:32:21,180 --> 00:32:24,750
and liontree executive just
announced the launch of download

527
00:32:24,780 --> 00:32:29,340
without the without the first
row. So it's DW en la de Grenier

528
00:32:29,610 --> 00:32:33,360
download download dunlea during
those Dutch is there

529
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:38,730
Adam Curry: during loon Yeah,
that's it. So that is a

530
00:32:38,730 --> 00:32:40,050
download.com.

531
00:32:41,250 --> 00:32:45,270
Dave Jones: Don't lose no doubt
on about the.com but didn't lose

532
00:32:45,270 --> 00:32:45,780
media.

533
00:32:45,869 --> 00:32:49,169
Adam Curry: Doing lewd means
doing a new.com Maybe for sale?

534
00:32:50,099 --> 00:32:54,269
Might be doing lewd media. Wow,
this is really a great name

535
00:32:54,269 --> 00:32:54,779
everybody.

536
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,720
Dave Jones: It went from Dutch
to more of like Swedish Chef

537
00:32:58,560 --> 00:32:59,220
manner.

538
00:33:00,090 --> 00:33:01,530
Adam Curry: Okay, let's do nude.

539
00:33:02,820 --> 00:33:05,340
Dave Jones: just announced the
launch of duneland media, which

540
00:33:05,370 --> 00:33:09,330
intends to take majority stakes
in podcast companies. Meanwhile,

541
00:33:09,870 --> 00:33:12,840
Pata X group, a private equity
backed firm has made multiple

542
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,380
acquisitions the world around
the world since setting out to

543
00:33:16,380 --> 00:33:19,830
roll up independent podcast
production shops. So

544
00:33:20,369 --> 00:33:22,409
Adam Curry: I know exactly what
this is. I know exactly what

545
00:33:22,409 --> 00:33:25,379
this is. This is very, very
simple. And I think these guys

546
00:33:25,379 --> 00:33:26,309
are going to lose.

547
00:33:26,939 --> 00:33:29,609
Dave Jones: These companies are
going these are going to be the

548
00:33:29,609 --> 00:33:30,329
record labels.

549
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,870
Adam Curry: Yes, exactly. Their
hits hit seekers. What they do

550
00:33:34,050 --> 00:33:36,870
is they saw the Joe Rogan money
they saw the call me daddy

551
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:39,810
money. They saw you know,
whatever, whatever, you know,

552
00:33:39,810 --> 00:33:44,700
pod save America. Sports ring,
the bell, all these different

553
00:33:44,700 --> 00:33:48,360
things. And like, look, we can
spend you know why how I know

554
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:53,100
this, because I tried to do it
myself. I had this idea for

555
00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:58,800
several years ago. And I looked
at it and I and I explained that

556
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:04,140
to investors in Europe. And they
were like, maybe I'm not sure

557
00:34:04,140 --> 00:34:07,500
I'm like, Okay, I'm not that
interested in it. But for sure.

558
00:34:08,130 --> 00:34:12,990
All you need to do is you take
depending on how many podcasts

559
00:34:12,990 --> 00:34:16,410
you quote, unquote, buy, which
you don't, they only have

560
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,750
investments in them. So they
give people a little bit of

561
00:34:18,750 --> 00:34:22,530
money. And honestly, I had this
idea and I had a group of people

562
00:34:22,530 --> 00:34:26,670
and then I pulled out of it. And
then you just wait for one hit.

563
00:34:26,670 --> 00:34:31,620
All you need is one 50 $60
million hit and your money's

564
00:34:31,620 --> 00:34:32,970
back and you had a great run.

565
00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:36,540
Dave Jones: You're you they're
not these groups are not going

566
00:34:36,540 --> 00:34:41,520
to they're not going to afford
the Rogan's they're gonna afford

567
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,730
the top 3% of podcasting.
They're going to try to wrap up.

568
00:34:45,180 --> 00:34:47,790
They're going to try to wrap up
the next level down. Yeah,

569
00:34:47,790 --> 00:34:48,810
that's exactly what

570
00:34:48,809 --> 00:34:50,309
Adam Curry: they want. Yeah,

571
00:34:50,669 --> 00:34:54,839
Dave Jones: it's a it's a Blinka
is an annuity for them.

572
00:34:55,079 --> 00:34:57,449
Basically, she's just Propecia
is they're trying to create a

573
00:34:57,509 --> 00:35:00,779
vet perpetual money machine
based on you know, content that

574
00:35:00,779 --> 00:35:05,729
they don't have to spend a whole
lot of money to. To produce.

575
00:35:06,209 --> 00:35:06,509
Yeah,

576
00:35:06,540 --> 00:35:11,730
Adam Curry: so they're doing
load media.com Let's see 55

577
00:35:11,730 --> 00:35:15,060
posts road. Okay, Connecticut.
This is always fun to do. This

578
00:35:15,060 --> 00:35:20,040
is a fun little thing I used to
do. Let's see 35 posts road West

579
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,090
Westport, Connecticut. Office
for lease There you go. It's a

580
00:35:24,090 --> 00:35:28,560
post office business. Now peal
box yeah PO box let's see what

581
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:37,140
else is there team hub flyer,
serendipity labs. Okay, we this

582
00:35:37,140 --> 00:35:39,870
is nothing this is yeah, this is
just a post office.

583
00:35:41,700 --> 00:35:44,040
Dave Jones: Todd Todd Cochran
said I'm not a fan of what

584
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,710
YouTube is hijacking and we will
not be providing instructions or

585
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:49,050
providing it as a destination in
our dashboard. Well there you

586
00:35:49,050 --> 00:35:49,290
go.

587
00:35:50,189 --> 00:35:52,949
Adam Curry: But I think even
even more so this this goes

588
00:35:52,949 --> 00:35:58,499
along the line of you need to
own your own.com Todd the minute

589
00:35:58,769 --> 00:36:02,549
all they all they're using RSS
for in this case is just as as a

590
00:36:02,549 --> 00:36:06,959
free shovel. A free shovel
shovel shovel your crap into

591
00:36:06,959 --> 00:36:12,449
their in their manure pit.
That's all that it is. It really

592
00:36:12,449 --> 00:36:14,339
is. It's goodness.

593
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:20,730
Dave Jones: I don't in there's
also like, this is maybe off off

594
00:36:20,730 --> 00:36:26,610
to the side. But YouTube is
trying to is trying to get one

595
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:32,520
fun used to YouTube distasteful.
In a lot of ways, I mean, like

596
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,510
when I go on there now, the
first thing I see on the

597
00:36:36,510 --> 00:36:40,920
homepage is these YouTube shorts
that are trying to be Tik Tok.

598
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:46,710
And it's all a bunch of scantily
clad women trying to get in. I

599
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,850
mean, it's a bunch of bunch of
click bait. And it's just it's,

600
00:36:51,090 --> 00:36:56,160
it's not, I don't know it as a
it's an it's a gross

601
00:36:56,190 --> 00:37:00,060
environment. In a lot. I mean,
there's good contents that says

602
00:37:00,060 --> 00:37:03,450
on YouTube, obviously, lots of
there's lots of great things

603
00:37:03,450 --> 00:37:07,560
that only exist on YouTube. I'm
not gonna deny that. But I mean,

604
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,980
I just don't see I don't see
what there's a beauty to

605
00:37:10,980 --> 00:37:15,600
podcasting. There's a beauty to
open source podcasting.

606
00:37:17,790 --> 00:37:19,770
Adam Curry: Just podcasting,
please. But I understand what

607
00:37:19,770 --> 00:37:22,050
you're saying. Yeah, open source
open.

608
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,650
Dave Jones: Just podcast.
There's a beauty to podcasting.

609
00:37:25,980 --> 00:37:31,290
And, and I don't I don't like
associating it with with that

610
00:37:31,290 --> 00:37:35,130
garbage. I mean, it's if TOS
with tick tock wanted to do the

611
00:37:35,130 --> 00:37:38,280
same thing. If tick tock said,
Oh, well, what if they did the

612
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:42,360
exact same thing? And said,
Okay, we're gonna start

613
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,240
ingesting RSS feeds, but we're
not gonna we're not gonna give

614
00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:47,550
you any pass throughs or I'm
gonna do anything. We're just

615
00:37:47,550 --> 00:37:50,040
going to ingest your stuff and
do our own systems, and we're

616
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:55,110
gonna start pushing it back out
to our audience. Well, okay,

617
00:37:55,110 --> 00:37:58,890
great. But I mean, do you
actually want do you want your

618
00:37:59,100 --> 00:38:07,800
content? Do we want this this
unique, distinct content that is

619
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:15,120
podcasts being interleaved into
a tick tock thread, next to

620
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:20,160
people doing the NyQuil chicken
challenge? I don't grow gross.

621
00:38:20,190 --> 00:38:20,940
Okay, so

622
00:38:21,180 --> 00:38:25,920
Adam Curry: first of all, Words
matter. This is of the podcast

623
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:31,170
industrial complex is own doing
by questioning what a podcast

624
00:38:31,170 --> 00:38:37,800
is. This is the result. So by
giving into well, yeah, podcast

625
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,590
on YouTube is also a podcast it
just wherever you'd like the

626
00:38:40,590 --> 00:38:43,080
wherever you get the show. Okay,
I'm gonna say it. I love the

627
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,020
man. I'm so happy that he allows
me on his show. The Joe Rogan

628
00:38:46,020 --> 00:38:51,000
show is not a podcast. Alright,
it's not a podcast. The Joe

629
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:59,370
Rogan show is not a podcast. The
media landscape is changing. And

630
00:38:59,970 --> 00:39:04,740
so what I hear Okay, so here's
another thing. Jason Calacanis.

631
00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:13,140
Twitter's gonna be the best, the
best platform for podcasts. I'm

632
00:39:13,140 --> 00:39:16,800
making fun of him because I can
and and he can make fun of me.

633
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,910
But, yeah, so and then what is
the first thing that's the Oh,

634
00:39:20,910 --> 00:39:24,810
yeah, you should use Twitter
spaces. Okay, great. But let me

635
00:39:24,810 --> 00:39:28,410
tell you how the Tucker Carlson
deal is going down as a podcast

636
00:39:28,410 --> 00:39:32,010
on Twitter. He is going to pay
Twitter not the other way

637
00:39:32,010 --> 00:39:37,260
around. Make no mistake. This
this is this is not going to be

638
00:39:37,290 --> 00:39:43,440
the $20 million a year from Elon
to Tucker Carlson know, those of

639
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:48,060
you who have figured out how to
podcast and make a living out of

640
00:39:48,060 --> 00:39:52,050
it, whether you're whether
you're selling your own ads,

641
00:39:52,050 --> 00:39:54,300
whether you have ads, whether
it's value for value, whether

642
00:39:54,300 --> 00:39:57,960
it's a part of your business,
whether you sell books, and you

643
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,160
have your community. We don't
he'd Rancors, which I'm now just

644
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,970
going to call bankers, because
Because James made the joke, but

645
00:40:05,970 --> 00:40:09,210
didn't complete it. So I'll just
hit. So we don't need rankers of

646
00:40:09,210 --> 00:40:13,530
who's on top, it does not
matter. It's the business of

647
00:40:13,530 --> 00:40:17,730
being number one in the ratings
does not matter. This group,

648
00:40:17,730 --> 00:40:22,560
this podcast, this project
survives on a very small number

649
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,340
of participants, and an even
smaller number of people who are

650
00:40:26,340 --> 00:40:29,910
supporting it with monetary
value. Now, the full value for

651
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:34,410
value is enormous time, talent
or treasure, of course. But this

652
00:40:34,410 --> 00:40:37,740
is the future of media, get it
out of your head that you need

653
00:40:37,740 --> 00:40:42,180
to be number one or on the front
kind of the front of iTunes or

654
00:40:42,330 --> 00:40:46,080
YouTube to hot algo. Get it out
of your head, that is not a

655
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:52,230
longevity plan anymore. And, and
you will you everyone has to pay

656
00:40:52,230 --> 00:40:55,440
for their distribution. Now. If
you're not paying for

657
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,950
distribution, you're being
screwed. Seriously,

658
00:40:59,010 --> 00:41:01,950
Dave Jones: explain this.
Explain what you mean by paying

659
00:41:01,950 --> 00:41:04,350
for distribution, because I
understand I understand it, but

660
00:41:04,350 --> 00:41:06,630
I don't know how to explain it.

661
00:41:07,530 --> 00:41:11,400
Adam Curry: The ad base model
does not work with podcast. It

662
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:16,560
just doesn't stop saying we're
young medium. We're not. We're

663
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:21,810
20 or 20 years old. It's it's
there is no met, you can't fake

664
00:41:21,810 --> 00:41:25,890
the numbers like Nielsen's
there's no agreed to system,

665
00:41:26,010 --> 00:41:30,000
which is now falling apart.
You're seeing that the only

666
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:35,580
reason why Fox News is still in
business is because of the

667
00:41:35,580 --> 00:41:39,120
carriage fees. The advertising
that Tucker Carlson brought in

668
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,810
doesn't matter. It doesn't
matter. 70 million a year and

669
00:41:42,810 --> 00:41:46,890
hunt maybe 100 million a year
doesn't matter. It's the $1.8

670
00:41:46,890 --> 00:41:52,500
billion they get from the cable
companies, Fox News pays their

671
00:41:52,500 --> 00:41:56,670
cost for their content. But the
cable companies are paying

672
00:41:56,700 --> 00:42:00,420
exorbitant amounts of money
which you the customer are

673
00:42:00,420 --> 00:42:06,300
paying for. To for the privilege
to have Fox News on $7 of your

674
00:42:06,300 --> 00:42:12,480
cable bill goes to you know what
that goes to Disney ESPN. That's

675
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,530
just ESPN, it is Disney, of
course. But ESPN. So then

676
00:42:16,530 --> 00:42:19,500
everyone had this great idea all
let's just let's just split it

677
00:42:19,500 --> 00:42:22,800
all up. Let's just do streaming.
I don't know if you notice, but

678
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,610
that's not a big success. It's
losing money lose billions of

679
00:42:26,610 --> 00:42:29,580
dollars for everybody hand over
foot, they've cannibalize their

680
00:42:29,580 --> 00:42:33,000
movie business, the whole thing
is falling apart. And here's

681
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,870
little old podcasting. Which of
the 4 million podcasts in the

682
00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:41,460
index, a very small amount is
working on a profitable monetary

683
00:42:41,460 --> 00:42:45,630
basis. A lot of it is very a lot
of these podcasts are very

684
00:42:45,630 --> 00:42:51,360
profitable to aid for in other
ways, reaching constituents,

685
00:42:52,110 --> 00:42:57,270
reaching readers reaching
different types of communities.

686
00:42:57,630 --> 00:43:00,030
But to think that there's a
broadcast model and for

687
00:43:00,030 --> 00:43:02,970
everybody is just as stupid as
everybody who thought they could

688
00:43:02,970 --> 00:43:05,430
be Andrew Sullivan and make a
million dollars a year from

689
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:11,100
their blog substack it's not a
winning business, they had to go

690
00:43:11,100 --> 00:43:15,240
crowdfund their next round of
funding. The it's a lie, it's

691
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:20,970
all a lie, and YouTube is in
huge trouble. Huge trouble.

692
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,350
Advertisers are now running to
tic toc for a whole bunch of

693
00:43:25,350 --> 00:43:29,160
reasons we've we've been over.
None of this is a winning

694
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:33,390
strategy. If you if you want to
have a successful podcast, or

695
00:43:33,390 --> 00:43:36,870
whatever you're using it for,
then own your audience, own your

696
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:40,740
distribution, pay for a hosting
pay for your hosting company.

697
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,870
And if you're not the hosting
company owns you. Anchor how

698
00:43:45,870 --> 00:43:49,770
many sad stories do we hear of
people? Oh, well, no anchor is

699
00:43:49,770 --> 00:43:52,530
not working for me. I can't get
a 301 redirect, they deleted

700
00:43:52,530 --> 00:43:55,890
everything blah, blah, blah. If
you don't own it, you're

701
00:43:55,890 --> 00:44:02,760
screwed. And hold your own.com
Yes, in de Sankar. Yes, indeed.

702
00:44:02,970 --> 00:44:06,930
Do not give this stuff away. So
I'm not worried about

703
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,100
podcasting. I'm not worried
about the future of RSS at all.

704
00:44:11,310 --> 00:44:14,610
I'm worried for all the sad sob
so we're gonna get screwed.

705
00:44:14,850 --> 00:44:19,410
We've seen this movie. We've
seen it. The podcasting was born

706
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,010
out of frustration for the
traditional broadcast model now

707
00:44:23,010 --> 00:44:26,010
that is falling apart. Now
they're getting desperate do not

708
00:44:26,010 --> 00:44:27,840
run into their arms.

709
00:44:28,410 --> 00:44:31,710
Dave Jones: Everybody got mad at
a cast for taking email

710
00:44:31,710 --> 00:44:36,540
addresses out of feeds and
trying to trying to grab their

711
00:44:36,540 --> 00:44:41,280
like, solicit their customers.
And the what do you think

712
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,540
YouTube's gonna do? I mean, this
is even worse. This is way

713
00:44:45,540 --> 00:44:48,810
worse. Now you're giving them
now you're actually giving them

714
00:44:48,810 --> 00:44:55,530
all of your this would be as if
this would be as if a cast

715
00:44:55,530 --> 00:44:59,400
became instead of just
soliciting customers they became

716
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,750
a proxy be between you and your
customer. And but don't worry

717
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:06,030
about it we're not we're not
going to charge anything. Oh

718
00:45:06,030 --> 00:45:09,600
don't don't worry about this is
all free. It's great. I mean,

719
00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:13,890
like they everybody gets so mad
at a cast, but then they're

720
00:45:13,890 --> 00:45:16,710
going to jump on board with
YouTube. And it's going to end

721
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:19,410
the end the the end result is
going to be way worse

722
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,480
Adam Curry: for the love of
money is the root of all evil.

723
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,360
This is exactly the it's only
about money because people

724
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,330
believe they can be the next Joe
Rogan. You can't it's over. It's

725
00:45:27,330 --> 00:45:32,100
done with it's not gonna happen.
The CEO himself says it. Thank

726
00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:35,880
you. I love it when someone
accentuates my point with a

727
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:41,880
boost it it's over, it's just
over, just admitted it's not

728
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,480
gonna happen. You know, the
luck. The luck of that. We built

729
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,930
a business here. We're not
paying ourselves anything but we

730
00:45:48,930 --> 00:45:52,050
built a real business. We can
see it. You can build a real

731
00:45:52,050 --> 00:45:55,320
business with podcasting. Now
why do I like podcasting 2.0

732
00:45:55,590 --> 00:46:00,090
because people see immediate
value return. And that's

733
00:46:00,090 --> 00:46:02,790
something you can build on it.
We've been doing this for three

734
00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:05,370
years and we do other things
with the money. Could we give

735
00:46:05,370 --> 00:46:08,070
ourselves a little bit of cash,
I guess we could, but we prefer

736
00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:12,840
not to we prefer to put it into
liquidity for nodes and put it

737
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:17,100
into progress and buying a new
database or getting a new an

738
00:46:17,100 --> 00:46:19,620
upgraded database server.
Anything we can do to make this

739
00:46:19,620 --> 00:46:23,430
work because this is fun. This
is not a job. This is work that

740
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:27,810
we love doing. It's a community
we're friends. They have all of

741
00:46:27,810 --> 00:46:32,550
this is available to you. And
when you start a podcast today

742
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:36,270
and you use it with podcasting
2.0 And you see Satoshis and

743
00:46:36,270 --> 00:46:40,530
booster grams come in, it's
invigorating. It's not like it

744
00:46:40,530 --> 00:46:44,640
used to be and there's still
people who start on on on a

745
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,270
cast. And they Oh, okay, I'm
podcasting and they get some

746
00:46:48,270 --> 00:46:51,090
stats and there's five five
downloads and they don't know

747
00:46:51,090 --> 00:46:55,290
what if it's real, or they have
no feedback. They have no hand

748
00:46:55,290 --> 00:47:00,210
holding no training, no hosting
company that has training

749
00:47:00,210 --> 00:47:04,350
materials and podcasts that tell
you about the latest things and

750
00:47:04,350 --> 00:47:07,830
how you can how you can have
more success with your podcast

751
00:47:07,830 --> 00:47:10,980
but that feedback loop is
missing. This is what's so cool

752
00:47:10,980 --> 00:47:15,330
about it and it's the same thing
with music this is why I'm so

753
00:47:15,330 --> 00:47:19,410
jacked about the time based
value splits What am I hearing

754
00:47:19,410 --> 00:47:22,740
from now that we have four of
the top what is the song that is

755
00:47:22,740 --> 00:47:28,380
in the top five on wavelength I
don't like this I have nothing

756
00:47:28,380 --> 00:47:29,970
against the wavelength

757
00:47:31,290 --> 00:47:33,240
Dave Jones: way you believe is
this way yeah

758
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:35,100
Adam Curry: way you believe it
says

759
00:47:35,130 --> 00:47:37,080
Dave Jones: demo demo version

760
00:47:37,140 --> 00:47:40,410
Adam Curry: and I don't know I
just it just never really struck

761
00:47:40,410 --> 00:47:45,240
for me but we have Number one of
course money printed Gerber

762
00:47:46,170 --> 00:47:48,750
money printing money printing
money printer Gerber we got Matt

763
00:47:48,750 --> 00:47:51,480
Bigelow with fudge even though
we played only a little bit of

764
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:56,160
his song we got high gravity Joe
Martin and rusty gate girl like

765
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:00,330
me, you know, so, I mean, that's
phenomenal. And what are they

766
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:05,370
all say? You know, I never hit
the payout limit from from

767
00:48:06,750 --> 00:48:12,270
Spotify. All I got was stupid
stats. Stupid stats. Okay, so

768
00:48:12,270 --> 00:48:16,830
now where they get maybe 100
bucks, right 300 300,000 SATs

769
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:18,510
100 100 bucks plus

770
00:48:18,930 --> 00:48:21,120
Dave Jones: well money money
printer gibberish show and

771
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,940
524,000 sets.

772
00:48:24,750 --> 00:48:26,790
Adam Curry: So what is that now?
That's 200 books.

773
00:48:28,350 --> 00:48:30,090
Dave Jones: Let's see. I don't
see

774
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:36,090
Adam Curry: any say
580 180,000 $180 Something like

775
00:48:36,090 --> 00:48:36,390
that.

776
00:48:36,779 --> 00:48:39,389
Dave Jones: I guarantee you
extends cents per 1000 says I

777
00:48:39,389 --> 00:48:39,659
can't

778
00:48:39,660 --> 00:48:42,240
Adam Curry: calculate I think in
SATs I don't I don't care about

779
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:48,000
dollars. Yeah, but it's like
that. That is real love now

780
00:48:48,030 --> 00:48:50,490
doesn't mean he's gonna get
rich. No, those days are over.

781
00:48:50,490 --> 00:48:53,310
Will you maybe be able to make a
career out of it? Yeah, maybe.

782
00:48:53,700 --> 00:48:58,290
Maybe. This is what's so cool
about it. It gives you incentive

783
00:48:58,290 --> 00:49:02,310
shows value. You play back to it
you thank people it's not a one

784
00:49:02,310 --> 00:49:06,480
way street. This has always been
the dream of radio always. So we

785
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:07,590
play a song Dave

786
00:49:08,430 --> 00:49:10,500
Dave Jones: would love to play
us I'd love to play a song. I

787
00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:11,670
would love for you to play us I

788
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:15,480
Adam Curry: would love to play a
song. So this is using the value

789
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,240
time splits now from what I
understand it's still curio

790
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:23,400
caster that has the pod friend
rod, who has it. I heard Martin

791
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,630
by the way and outstanding pod
news weekly review episode with

792
00:49:27,660 --> 00:49:29,250
it was a two and a half hour
show.

793
00:49:29,790 --> 00:49:32,310
Dave Jones: That was a lead I
mean, there's like horning in on

794
00:49:32,310 --> 00:49:32,970
our turf.

795
00:49:34,830 --> 00:49:38,340
Adam Curry: It was great that
Martin had Oscar from fountain

796
00:49:38,370 --> 00:49:40,440
who else was on was that it was
our third

797
00:49:44,910 --> 00:49:49,140
Dave Jones: Captivate Marcus was
right. Yep, yeah. And that was a

798
00:49:49,140 --> 00:49:51,600
good interview too. I mean, they
they are really jumping on board

799
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:52,380
with 2.0

800
00:49:52,709 --> 00:49:56,339
Adam Curry: For sure. Although
whenever I hear someone doing

801
00:49:56,339 --> 00:50:02,129
tips, I always get a little
whatever for So I'm already

802
00:50:02,129 --> 00:50:08,159
getting inundated now with
requests to play songs. Of

803
00:50:08,159 --> 00:50:10,559
course you do. Yes. And guess
what I'm doing. I'm sending

804
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:13,349
everybody to wave Lake. Should I
be sending him to dystopias?

805
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:16,949
Well, I'm not sure who who are
we trying to help here?

806
00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:22,499
Dave Jones: Well, this dystopia
doesn't have the system to go in

807
00:50:22,739 --> 00:50:25,979
and boost it on on this. I mean,
like, you can't, it's a

808
00:50:25,979 --> 00:50:29,249
different thing to cinema, buddy
to WaveLight versus dystopia.

809
00:50:30,059 --> 00:50:35,099
Because dystopia is a host in
Wave Lake is is more of like a

810
00:50:35,429 --> 00:50:40,469
platform for for value for value
based music. So, I mean, I think

811
00:50:40,529 --> 00:50:43,409
if you're sending them to
dystopia they can be sent to

812
00:50:43,499 --> 00:50:45,959
they need to go to like, our
site or something.

813
00:50:46,109 --> 00:50:51,059
Adam Curry: Well, I say, music
side project studio. Yeah. Which

814
00:50:51,059 --> 00:50:54,329
is a little, a little more
that's for self hosting, really,

815
00:50:54,329 --> 00:50:56,459
but it's, you know, there's
stuff there. Dave explains how

816
00:50:56,459 --> 00:51:00,809
to do it. I don't understand
wave lake. I love those guys. We

817
00:51:00,809 --> 00:51:04,019
had him on the show. They don't
have a, there's no music player.

818
00:51:04,019 --> 00:51:08,549
They're still not self. They're
automatically submitting to the

819
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:11,669
index. I don't understand why.
So is that what we're waiting

820
00:51:11,669 --> 00:51:14,039
for? You know, just wait for
something to come along, waiting

821
00:51:14,039 --> 00:51:20,519
for a magic player to pop up?
No, though we have Magic

822
00:51:20,519 --> 00:51:21,179
players.

823
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,390
Dave Jones: Well, they're not
they're not automatic

824
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:29,100
submission. No, they are. But
they're leaving that in the

825
00:51:29,100 --> 00:51:32,460
hands of their musicians and
their musicians are putting Yes,

826
00:51:32,490 --> 00:51:35,310
and their music into the index
when they when they want to.

827
00:51:36,180 --> 00:51:38,820
Adam Curry: But I don't
understand why there's no music

828
00:51:38,820 --> 00:51:43,110
player. And they did their own
kind of music player, which was,

829
00:51:43,260 --> 00:51:43,680
I don't know

830
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,590
Dave Jones: why they don't write
their own app, or have somebody

831
00:51:46,590 --> 00:51:47,850
work our guest app.

832
00:51:48,450 --> 00:51:50,850
Adam Curry: So to me, it doesn't
matter because I think this is

833
00:51:50,850 --> 00:51:55,710
the winning formula. I want
podcasts to start playing music

834
00:51:55,740 --> 00:51:58,920
in their podcasts and switching
the value block to the to the

835
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,790
artist. Right now sovereign
feeds is the only way to do that

836
00:52:02,790 --> 00:52:08,400
that I'm aware of. I would love
to have more podcast apps able

837
00:52:08,730 --> 00:52:13,980
to receive it and switch the
switch the wallet so yes, curio

838
00:52:13,980 --> 00:52:19,020
caster pod friend. I don't know
if if there any plans for

839
00:52:19,020 --> 00:52:24,600
fountain and for pod verse etc.
But I really only need one more

840
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,960
besides curio cash. And I want
to wait until pod friend has its

841
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,230
apps out in the app store. And
then I'm going to start doing a

842
00:52:31,230 --> 00:52:36,900
music show. And you'll see how
fast this goes. You'll see you

843
00:52:36,900 --> 00:52:37,230
would have

844
00:52:37,230 --> 00:52:39,900
Dave Jones: to think that
fountain would be the next shoe

845
00:52:39,900 --> 00:52:44,550
to drop on them because that's
the I mean that's Oscars Mo is V

846
00:52:44,550 --> 00:52:47,850
for V I mean that's a V for V
focused app so you would have to

847
00:52:47,850 --> 00:52:51,390
think that that's going to be in
his roadmap soon now probably.

848
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,110
Adam Curry: Yeah. So if you're
if you want now if you want to

849
00:52:55,110 --> 00:52:58,320
see part of the cool live tests
that we've been doing, then you

850
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,500
want to switch to curio caster
right now so you can see the

851
00:53:01,500 --> 00:53:04,950
artwork change and everything
which Bill just blows me away.

852
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,460
You can actually be listening,
listening live and then the

853
00:53:08,460 --> 00:53:10,950
minute we play the song The
artwork changes the wallet

854
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:14,370
changes the artwork changes it's
just mind boggling. This guy

855
00:53:14,370 --> 00:53:17,880
reached out to me he's a friend
of Joe Martin he said hey man,

856
00:53:17,940 --> 00:53:18,720
play my music.

857
00:53:21,210 --> 00:53:23,100
Dave Jones: And you said done
Cory Keller

858
00:53:25,020 --> 00:53:36,360
Unknown: making you a pass for
this loan job again. Searching

859
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:42,990
for something to pass the time
as you keep chopping these nails

860
00:53:42,990 --> 00:53:43,950
in my head

861
00:53:57,990 --> 00:54:02,340
35 in South Dallas

862
00:54:03,870 --> 00:54:12,900
you will place the funds nice
so.

863
00:54:37,650 --> 00:54:38,010
Ces

864
00:54:52,830 --> 00:54:54,000
nothing just say

865
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:05,070
To keep counting as

866
00:55:06,540 --> 00:55:10,590
this old highway just can

867
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:21,780
carry keep pushing myself to be

868
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,200
the peace

869
00:55:44,580 --> 00:55:46,200
will see you next

870
00:55:55,860 --> 00:56:32,820
Adam Curry: time Cory Keller
wallets switching away on

871
00:56:32,820 --> 00:56:37,710
podcasting 2.0 It's so hard to
feel alive. Now Did anyone try

872
00:56:37,710 --> 00:56:41,490
that in pod friend? Do we have
any ideas that worked?

873
00:56:42,060 --> 00:56:45,300
Dave Jones: Who I don't know
Martin's in the chat but I would

874
00:56:45,300 --> 00:56:47,490
hope Martin is live testing this

875
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,620
Adam Curry: yeah that's why i
That's why I

876
00:56:49,650 --> 00:56:52,440
Dave Jones: chose on curio
caster out there those are just

877
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:52,920
switched back.

878
00:56:53,250 --> 00:56:55,890
Adam Curry: I know I just I
literally just did it. Oh,

879
00:56:55,890 --> 00:56:57,030
that's so badass.

880
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,640
Dave Jones: Oh Chad F said he
did it in pod friend.

881
00:56:59,700 --> 00:57:01,110
Adam Curry: Okay, all right
cool.

882
00:57:01,290 --> 00:57:04,500
Dave Jones: Did it did it work
Chad did did it do its thing? I

883
00:57:04,500 --> 00:57:07,410
mean I'm Chad says it did judge
says it don't expect no less

884
00:57:07,410 --> 00:57:08,040
beautiful,

885
00:57:08,070 --> 00:57:09,780
Adam Curry: beautiful. So

886
00:57:09,810 --> 00:57:14,280
Dave Jones: So read. It really
isn't too. That was a great

887
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:14,640
song.

888
00:57:14,670 --> 00:57:18,210
Adam Curry: I you know, it's not
the typical uptempo in your face

889
00:57:18,210 --> 00:57:21,000
Friday thing FUBAR Friday thing,
but I liked it a lot. And you

890
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,370
know, what, three minutes, you
know, you give me a three minute

891
00:57:23,370 --> 00:57:29,610
song, I'll jam that in anywhere.
You know, just think about how,

892
00:57:29,730 --> 00:57:33,660
think about how cool that demo
is going to be at Bitcoin 2024.

893
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:40,170
We show the artwork changing and
everything. And then people will

894
00:57:40,170 --> 00:57:43,440
be doing it in the audience.
There'll be live boosting in the

895
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:47,790
audience. We got to have we got
the booths bought up at the

896
00:57:47,790 --> 00:57:51,030
booth spot and the IRC chat UPS
everyone can see it. Oh, yeah,

897
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:56,190
man. It's gonna be cool. No one
go get that from you to

898
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:05,040
Dave Jones: the so. So I'm
confused about something. Okay.

899
00:58:05,070 --> 00:58:09,600
He this was something that. Let
me see if I can scroll back and

900
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:15,630
find it there. Steven V was
telling Martin, about how to

901
00:58:16,110 --> 00:58:21,750
about how to track something
with the value splits. He says,

902
00:58:22,170 --> 00:58:24,390
If you want to start messing
around with live value splits,

903
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:27,510
you'll just need to set up a
WebSocket listening to the

904
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:32,160
server found in the live value
link? Yes. Of the podcast live

905
00:58:32,190 --> 00:58:37,470
item. listening for the remote
value event? Yeah. Can you? Do

906
00:58:37,470 --> 00:58:40,020
you know what this is? Because
this is all new to me. I don't

907
00:58:40,020 --> 00:58:42,270
know what kind of value lengthy?
Yeah,

908
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:46,650
Adam Curry: so in sovereign
feeds, there's a little extra

909
00:58:46,650 --> 00:58:52,620
thing under Live Info. And it's
the I don't want to switch away

910
00:58:52,620 --> 00:58:55,110
because I'm all synced. I don't
know if it'll ruin my

911
00:58:55,140 --> 00:58:57,810
synchronization stuff, because
he has his whole interface now

912
00:58:57,810 --> 00:59:01,650
for live production. So you kind
of keep your your timing for the

913
00:59:01,650 --> 00:59:05,010
value block split, which you can
later copy into your regular

914
00:59:05,010 --> 00:59:10,650
episode. And it creates this,
like a streaming link. And that

915
00:59:10,650 --> 00:59:15,930
streaming link is what you
listen to with the app for the

916
00:59:15,930 --> 00:59:20,550
change in the value in the value
block and the album art. Does

917
00:59:20,550 --> 00:59:21,000
that make sense?

918
00:59:21,570 --> 00:59:23,790
Dave Jones: Okay, so you okay,
because that goes

919
00:59:23,790 --> 00:59:25,530
Adam Curry: through a WebSocket.
Yeah, that goes through the

920
00:59:25,530 --> 00:59:29,250
WebSocket. And then then the app
catches that and that's the

921
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:34,230
that's basically like, the, like
the shoutcast stream info.

922
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:42,270
Dave Jones: Okay, so this can
Okay. This needs to be a tag

923
00:59:42,300 --> 00:59:44,730
Adam Curry: that needs to be
documented. Yes. Yeah.

924
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:49,440
Dave Jones: Yes. This is This is
Steven, this is a Steven B

925
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:53,430
special where he throws in a new
brand new,

926
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,550
Adam Curry: of course. That's
right. Some scissors through

927
00:59:56,550 --> 00:59:58,350
some new blades.

928
00:59:58,770 --> 01:00:00,780
Dave Jones: Yep, this is where
he yeah He throws he throws a

929
01:00:00,780 --> 01:00:02,940
new set of blades in here and
nobody knows what the heck's

930
01:00:02,940 --> 01:00:06,450
going on. Okay, this is this is
grass see exactly where he's

931
01:00:06,450 --> 01:00:10,680
going with this? What what needs
to happen here, though, is it

932
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:13,710
would need to take this, just
like so he did the same thing

933
01:00:13,710 --> 01:00:16,200
with chat with the chat
attribute where he just threw in

934
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:17,190
a chat URL.

935
01:00:17,220 --> 01:00:20,670
Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly. And
that became standard. In a min.

936
01:00:20,670 --> 01:00:23,520
Dave Jones: Now we've got
podcast chat, which we'll be

937
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:27,120
formalizing soon, which I want
to talk about here in just a

938
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:31,950
second in the context of pure
tube. But he did that with chat

939
01:00:32,010 --> 01:00:35,310
that works. That's a shim until
we can get the proper thing in

940
01:00:35,310 --> 01:00:37,950
there. So what we'll do is we'll
do the same thing, we'll just do

941
01:00:37,950 --> 01:00:41,910
a live out live value link or
will, you know, well, he hasn't

942
01:00:41,910 --> 01:00:42,390
a name,

943
01:00:42,420 --> 01:00:44,730
Adam Curry: he has been named
for it. Alright, I'm gonna I'm

944
01:00:44,730 --> 01:00:47,040
just going to run with scissors
here and switch away and see

945
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,710
what happens. Okay. What do you
do? What do you switch into? I'm

946
01:00:49,710 --> 01:00:52,950
switching from my production
screen to my live screen. He

947
01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:56,100
calls it the live value link.

948
01:00:56,670 --> 01:01:00,060
Dave Jones: Yes, I'm looking at
the feed. I'm looking at the

949
01:01:00,060 --> 01:01:01,410
XML, right, and I switch

950
01:01:01,410 --> 01:01:05,550
Adam Curry: back, it still
works. Okay, great. And so

951
01:01:05,580 --> 01:01:10,350
Dave Jones: we will just make a
tag that will allow for this to

952
01:01:10,350 --> 01:01:14,160
happen in its own tag that way
that we don't have to have more

953
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:19,620
attributes on the live item. And
not that that's a problem. But

954
01:01:19,620 --> 01:01:22,020
when you have something like
this, we're probably going to

955
01:01:22,020 --> 01:01:25,140
need it needs to be more
expandable. The problem with

956
01:01:25,140 --> 01:01:29,220
attributes is they're just a one
and done. You get it's a key

957
01:01:29,220 --> 01:01:33,150
value, you get it you get one
value, right? And if you try to

958
01:01:33,150 --> 01:01:36,150
stuff something else in there,
you have to use delimiters. So

959
01:01:36,150 --> 01:01:39,060
with this, we don't want to do
that. So let's just make this

960
01:01:39,060 --> 01:01:42,630
into a tag and then we can have
the full extendibility of it.

961
01:01:43,350 --> 01:01:45,480
And then he's looks like he's
got a

962
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,620
Adam Curry: list. Yeah, okay, so
I'm reason I'm not getting curio

963
01:01:49,620 --> 01:01:51,960
caster boosts today. I don't
know why.

964
01:01:52,859 --> 01:01:55,709
Dave Jones: I really, I can try
the hard hat

965
01:01:56,220 --> 01:02:01,410
Adam Curry: boosted 10101 via
curio caster, I don't see that

966
01:02:01,410 --> 01:02:06,150
coming in. Also didn't see the
1111. I didn't see that coming

967
01:02:06,150 --> 01:02:07,830
in. I wonder if this

968
01:02:07,830 --> 01:02:11,880
Dave Jones: trouble with Albie,
if he had any trouble without me

969
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:12,330
lately?

970
01:02:13,290 --> 01:02:16,290
Adam Curry: And I don't know. I
really wouldn't know if I if I'm

971
01:02:16,290 --> 01:02:20,550
having but this is this is kind
of weird. I would have expected

972
01:02:20,550 --> 01:02:24,570
I would have expected to see
that. Although, maybe I don't

973
01:02:24,570 --> 01:02:27,330
know. I don't know. It's
amazing. any of this stuff works

974
01:02:27,330 --> 01:02:32,310
honestly. I'm always surprised.
Let me see if I go to Alby. Let

975
01:02:32,310 --> 01:02:38,010
me take a look at booster grams.
What I have in there? No, I

976
01:02:38,010 --> 01:02:42,060
still get no no, no, no, don't
see it live maybe something in

977
01:02:42,060 --> 01:02:47,640
the live. It's inevitable that
inevitable that Alby is going to

978
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:51,240
have some issues? I mean,
there's such a centralized

979
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:55,710
resource at this point. I don't
know. I don't know. Maybe it's,

980
01:02:56,700 --> 01:03:02,010
I do know that. When I boost on
pod friend, I mean, pod verse.

981
01:03:03,150 --> 01:03:05,850
Sometimes it takes a real long
time for it to go.

982
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,840
Dave Jones: Okay, like here, I
got API error for net network

983
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:13,350
error for L and I get lb.com. So
that maybe they're just having

984
01:03:13,350 --> 01:03:17,070
some kind of issue there. I hate
to say I hate being that guy.

985
01:03:17,070 --> 01:03:19,110
That's like I have been having
some problems with so it's

986
01:03:19,830 --> 01:03:24,660
nearing, almost sounds like I'm
merging them. But I'm not. I'm

987
01:03:24,660 --> 01:03:25,350
just we're all

988
01:03:25,350 --> 01:03:29,460
Adam Curry: having problems. And
believe me, we're generally all

989
01:03:29,460 --> 01:03:31,770
just having problems with
everything. Of course, that's

990
01:03:31,770 --> 01:03:35,490
how it goes. But it's if we can
identify and help each other.

991
01:03:35,490 --> 01:03:41,070
That makes sense. I monitor on
my own node and on a get Alby

992
01:03:41,070 --> 01:03:44,160
node with each with a 1% split.
So that doesn't mean anything

993
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,080
you know, it could be it could
be all kinds of stuff going

994
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:46,440
wrong.

995
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:50,310
Dave Jones: Well, okay, so I'm
also I'm in the IRC chat, and

996
01:03:50,310 --> 01:03:54,960
I'm also in the MK Ultra chat
doesn't brought that up to test

997
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:58,140
as well. It's just only me and
James are the only two in there.

998
01:03:58,140 --> 01:04:02,370
So it's really boring over here.
But the this is, this is great

999
01:04:02,370 --> 01:04:04,980
having that live item link.
Yeah, there

1000
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,560
Adam Curry: are boobers, just
Buber just came through from

1001
01:04:09,660 --> 01:04:10,620
that's pod verse.

1002
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,240
Dave Jones: Okay, so still,
there's still no cure to cancer.

1003
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:21,060
The PA versus LBT, though, so
that would work. I don't know.

1004
01:04:21,060 --> 01:04:25,140
We'll figure it out. The bit
that let the live Adam link with

1005
01:04:25,170 --> 01:04:29,700
with live events happening
during the stream. That's really

1006
01:04:29,700 --> 01:04:33,690
cool. Because yeah, that means
we can hook into MK Ultra and

1007
01:04:33,690 --> 01:04:36,900
just drop those events right
into the chat without having to

1008
01:04:36,900 --> 01:04:37,140
write a

1009
01:04:37,140 --> 01:04:39,450
Adam Curry: bot or wait. So say
that again. So I understand

1010
01:04:39,450 --> 01:04:39,750
that.

1011
01:04:40,470 --> 01:04:44,490
Dave Jones: Well, I mean, then
you so it's play that you know

1012
01:04:44,490 --> 01:04:49,470
that did the MK Ultra chat is
playing the stream live in the

1013
01:04:49,470 --> 01:04:50,190
page?

1014
01:04:50,580 --> 01:04:53,160
Adam Curry: Oh, yes. Yes, yes.
Yes. Okay. Yeah.

1015
01:04:53,279 --> 01:04:56,699
Dave Jones: Now we can just hook
in. Oh, yeah.

1016
01:04:56,970 --> 01:04:58,200
Adam Curry: Yes.

1017
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,410
Dave Jones: In the chat.
Something has changed, give some

1018
01:05:01,410 --> 01:05:04,230
links, whatever and then flip
back. I mean we can we can

1019
01:05:04,230 --> 01:05:05,670
respond to the live events as

1020
01:05:05,670 --> 01:05:07,440
Adam Curry: they come we should
be able to connect your wallet

1021
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:16,710
to anything in the chat. Yeah.
Yeah, I like it. Mm hmm.

1022
01:05:18,300 --> 01:05:20,640
Dave Jones: This is good. I like
I like what Stephen did I mean?

1023
01:05:20,670 --> 01:05:22,140
Yeah, this is good.

1024
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:23,670
Adam Curry: Yeah, I think
there's definitely something

1025
01:05:23,670 --> 01:05:28,320
going on somewhere because I do
not have any. Okay, I got a

1026
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:34,170
curio caster from tone wrecker
an hour ago. But, and it's

1027
01:05:34,170 --> 01:05:36,870
possible that, you know,
anything's possible. I don't

1028
01:05:36,870 --> 01:05:40,560
know. We'll all figure it out.
This is what I love about what

1029
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:44,460
we do here. We run with
scissors, we get cut up, we get

1030
01:05:44,460 --> 01:05:48,000
scraped, we fall down. We dust
each other off and we keep

1031
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:52,650
going. That's exactly how it
should be. I did want to mention

1032
01:05:52,650 --> 01:05:58,770
that being the triage first line
of defense for info at podcast

1033
01:05:58,770 --> 01:06:04,620
index.org I want glyph and CSB
to know what I done. I don't

1034
01:06:04,620 --> 01:06:08,430
know if you caught this. Okay.
We got I got an email from Kate

1035
01:06:08,430 --> 01:06:15,180
nibs, senior writer from Wired.
And then Kate nibs is like, hey,

1036
01:06:15,180 --> 01:06:18,780
how many podcasts out there but
artificial intelligence YT que

1037
01:06:18,780 --> 01:06:23,460
tal de, you know, typical aihole
journalist from Wired, you know,

1038
01:06:23,850 --> 01:06:26,400
I say, you know, hey, we're
donation based thing here. But,

1039
01:06:26,580 --> 01:06:29,490
you know, we'll take a look. I
did a search for artificial

1040
01:06:29,490 --> 01:06:32,490
intelligence. And you know what,
you could have done a whole and

1041
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:36,780
and just look at all of these
answers. But I said, AI dot

1042
01:06:36,780 --> 01:06:38,670
cooking seems to be a fan
favorite.

1043
01:06:39,690 --> 01:06:40,170
Dave Jones: I didn't

1044
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:44,730
Adam Curry: indicate came back
on. What does that mean?

1045
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:49,320
Dave Jones: I didn't see that. I
didn't see that response.

1046
01:06:49,380 --> 01:06:52,620
Adam Curry: Yeah, I'm like,
Yeah, you know, what is going on

1047
01:06:52,620 --> 01:06:53,250
with my dog?

1048
01:06:56,010 --> 01:06:58,620
Dave Jones: I was much more
diplomatic. I said. Looks like

1049
01:06:58,620 --> 01:07:00,600
there's about 1627

1050
01:07:01,830 --> 01:07:03,720
Adam Curry: Yeah. Oh, you I
didn't even I didn't see you

1051
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:04,350
answer that.

1052
01:07:04,380 --> 01:07:07,140
Dave Jones: What I did was I
made note of carbon. I just got

1053
01:07:07,140 --> 01:07:07,860
to check the dog

1054
01:07:07,860 --> 01:07:10,890
Adam Curry: for a second day for
some, something's wrong. Hold

1055
01:07:10,890 --> 01:07:11,070
on.

1056
01:07:11,340 --> 01:07:16,740
Dave Jones: Okay. All right.
Yeah, the did a search only all

1057
01:07:16,740 --> 01:07:20,280
I knew how to do was like,
artificial. I just searched for

1058
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,500
the words artificial
intelligence. I mean, because if

1059
01:07:22,500 --> 01:07:27,270
you're searching for a I mean,
that's even even if you do like

1060
01:07:27,390 --> 01:07:30,240
regular expression and did like,
let's just say comeback.

1061
01:07:30,450 --> 01:07:35,220
Backslash Bai, backslash B or
something like that isolate that

1062
01:07:35,220 --> 01:07:37,770
you're still just gonna come
back with so much garbage. So I

1063
01:07:37,770 --> 01:07:40,680
figured only so I looked at
titles and descriptions for

1064
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:46,770
artificial intelligence. And it
found like six delivers 1600

1065
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:47,190
Well, all I

1066
01:07:47,190 --> 01:07:49,230
Adam Curry: was hoping is that
they'd get some special

1067
01:07:49,230 --> 01:07:52,080
attention for give some special
attention to AI dot cooking. I

1068
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:54,510
just thought that was funny to
say, oh, no, this is what

1069
01:07:54,510 --> 01:07:58,320
everyone's talking about.
Everyone's talking about. Snoop

1070
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:02,160
Dogg literally wanted to come in
and be on the show. Oh, sweet.

1071
01:08:02,220 --> 01:08:05,460
Yeah, Phoebe crazy done. One
other thing I want to mention,

1072
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:08,220
then, you know, we got lots of
other things to talk about.

1073
01:08:09,090 --> 01:08:15,390
Regarding this, you know, this
value time split, ie, playing

1074
01:08:15,390 --> 01:08:21,090
music on podcast and switching
the wallet. The idea is here is

1075
01:08:21,090 --> 01:08:26,400
that we are circumventing these
very old fashion institutions

1076
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:32,820
such as ASCAP BMI, and just
routing money directly for the

1077
01:08:32,820 --> 01:08:37,080
performance for someone received
receiving this beautiful music

1078
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:40,890
into their ears, with streaming
SATs directly from the people

1079
01:08:40,890 --> 01:08:45,600
who are benefiting from the
music. And what's so cool about

1080
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,750
this is there's such a good
example in the Netherlands where

1081
01:08:48,750 --> 01:08:54,390
ASCAP BMI, there's called Buma,
stamina, Bo, Ma, slash S, T, M

1082
01:08:54,390 --> 01:09:02,010
Ra. And for whatever reason,
they take all this money in, you

1083
01:09:02,010 --> 01:09:06,870
know, from performances, so
clubs, restaurants, you know,

1084
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:10,980
radio stations, online radio
stations, and then they have

1085
01:09:10,980 --> 01:09:14,490
some magical way of shelling
that back out to everybody in

1086
01:09:14,490 --> 01:09:22,110
the appropriate amounts. But
what they also do is they, they

1087
01:09:22,110 --> 01:09:25,770
invest that money in the
meantime, and they came out on

1088
01:09:25,770 --> 01:09:29,790
the 22nd of may and said, Well,
you know, our investments didn't

1089
01:09:29,790 --> 01:09:33,330
do so. Well. We'd lost 27
million euros.

1090
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:39,300
Dave Jones: Stop. Wait, yeah, I
need to I need exactly. I need

1091
01:09:39,300 --> 01:09:43,260
to understand what you just
said. So what Okay, let me recap

1092
01:09:43,290 --> 01:09:47,670
if you could permit me Yes,
please. Let me recreate what I

1093
01:09:47,670 --> 01:09:52,050
think you just said in a word
picture. So you're saying that

1094
01:09:53,310 --> 01:09:57,690
all of the royalty pay all of
the money that they got in there

1095
01:09:57,690 --> 01:10:02,190
was then going there was
destined to go to Artists, it

1096
01:10:02,220 --> 01:10:07,530
was held in whatever stock
magical stocks magical escrow in

1097
01:10:07,530 --> 01:10:10,710
the US. And so then they took
that money and before they paid

1098
01:10:10,710 --> 01:10:15,870
out, or before they were
required by law to pay out

1099
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:18,900
whatever this interim period was
between the time they got the

1100
01:10:18,900 --> 01:10:20,790
money and the time that they
gave the money out to the

1101
01:10:20,790 --> 01:10:27,060
artists who belong to the they
use this, this arbitrage time in

1102
01:10:27,060 --> 01:10:31,080
order to invest to invest this
money and get a profit, correct?

1103
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:38,340
Interval. Correct. But oh, they
lost money. So let me let me let

1104
01:10:38,340 --> 01:10:42,570
me go ahead and guess what the
outcome was. They still paid all

1105
01:10:42,570 --> 01:10:45,600
the money to the to the artists
that they were supposed to get,

1106
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,130
and they themselves took a hit.

1107
01:10:47,910 --> 01:10:49,980
Adam Curry: I don't think that's
what happened day.

1108
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,370
Dave Jones: Stein. This is not
what happened. Yeah. Well,

1109
01:10:53,370 --> 01:10:56,160
Adam Curry: there's obviously a
lot of members of said

1110
01:10:56,160 --> 01:11:00,510
organizations who are saying,
Excuse me, why are we investing

1111
01:11:00,510 --> 01:11:04,950
anything? Why don't you just
give us our money? Right? Yes,

1112
01:11:05,100 --> 01:11:10,680
so lawsuits abound. This is, but
that's, I'm pretty sure I don't

1113
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:13,950
let's find out. We can consult
the book of knowledge. ASCAP,

1114
01:11:13,980 --> 01:11:19,470
BMI, invest when we see
investments, I wonder if they if

1115
01:11:19,470 --> 01:11:20,610
they do the same thing?

1116
01:11:25,890 --> 01:11:30,810
I don't see anything off the
bat. But I'll I'll bet you 100

1117
01:11:30,810 --> 01:11:34,140
Satoshis they do the same thing.

1118
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:37,470
Dave Jones: Oh, if we're gonna
have money seeking, if you're

1119
01:11:37,470 --> 01:11:41,220
gonna have money sitting in an
account for six months or more,

1120
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:44,880
of course, some bean counter
somewhere is gonna say, Hey, I

1121
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:48,660
got an idea. This is this will
be great.

1122
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:55,890
Adam Curry: Does this article be
am I changing to for printing

1123
01:11:55,950 --> 01:12:01,560
this? These are supposed to be
nonprofit? Changing? Oh, yeah.

1124
01:12:01,590 --> 01:12:09,390
for profit business model. This
is from 2022. We realized that

1125
01:12:09,390 --> 01:12:11,490
we needed to make certain
changes to the organization or

1126
01:12:11,490 --> 01:12:16,470
to be even more competitive in
the future. Okay, well, guess

1127
01:12:16,470 --> 01:12:20,580
what, you're gonna get
competitive out by us. This is

1128
01:12:20,580 --> 01:12:24,480
so the way to go. I mean, it's,
it's interesting. My friends

1129
01:12:24,480 --> 01:12:29,250
have a band called Mercy Me. And
they had a really big hit about

1130
01:12:29,790 --> 01:12:32,820
20 years ago, but they've
consistently had platinum

1131
01:12:32,820 --> 01:12:37,290
albums. And so I'm telling you
about telling him about this is

1132
01:12:37,290 --> 01:12:39,960
not in a group text message. I'm
telling him about this, about

1133
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,720
the system we built. He said,
Wow, this is really cool. Did

1134
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,240
you work with management and raw
and performing rights

1135
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:52,530
organizations? I said, bro, no.
See? Yeah, it goes directly from

1136
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,950
the listener. to the, to the
band to the artists to the

1137
01:12:55,950 --> 01:12:59,010
writer, the composer. They're
blown away. They're having band

1138
01:12:59,010 --> 01:13:02,250
meetings right now. Like how do
we get in on this? Or at least

1139
01:13:02,250 --> 01:13:07,500
do one song they might do one
song that they just put out, put

1140
01:13:07,500 --> 01:13:09,030
out value for value.

1141
01:13:10,020 --> 01:13:11,820
Dave Jones: Have they ever won a
Dove Award?

1142
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:16,230
Adam Curry: A dove? What's a
Dove Award?

1143
01:13:16,260 --> 01:13:18,180
Dave Jones: That's the Christian
music version of the country.

1144
01:13:18,210 --> 01:13:18,540
Oh, I'm

1145
01:13:18,540 --> 01:13:20,820
Adam Curry: sure that well right
now they're they're now they're

1146
01:13:20,820 --> 01:13:23,850
at the K love that the K love
event in Nashville which is

1147
01:13:23,850 --> 01:13:28,710
huge. What is Kayla was a radio
station. And they have they have

1148
01:13:28,710 --> 01:13:32,070
a once a year. That's like they
have five concerts going at the

1149
01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:35,430
same time and vicious you know,
it's mayhem.

1150
01:13:36,210 --> 01:13:40,590
Dave Jones: It was Did your
pitch to them say go give me a

1151
01:13:40,590 --> 01:13:44,820
song this royalty free or this
rights free and I will and we

1152
01:13:44,820 --> 01:13:48,300
will play it on podcast and 2.0
and you'll get 300,000 sets.

1153
01:13:48,330 --> 01:13:50,880
Adam Curry: That's exactly my
pitch. That's exactly what you

1154
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:54,780
could get $100 I see I sent him
a link I said you see this money

1155
01:13:54,780 --> 01:13:56,520
printer go burn you could be
there

1156
01:13:59,550 --> 01:14:00,540
Dave Jones: What the hell is
this?

1157
01:14:02,550 --> 01:14:05,160
Adam Curry: Now they're into it,
man. They're into stuff like

1158
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:08,430
this. They're totally into it.
They love it. Yeah, we'll see.

1159
01:14:08,910 --> 01:14:11,580
But you know I've got all kinds
of people excited about this. We

1160
01:14:11,580 --> 01:14:15,510
just need we just need a couple
more apps. That's all Sam wave

1161
01:14:15,510 --> 01:14:18,750
Lake. Will not be Sam from wave
Lake.

1162
01:14:19,770 --> 01:14:21,000
Dave Jones: What do you mean
Sam? Wave lake.

1163
01:14:21,030 --> 01:14:23,220
Adam Curry: I got it. We just
got a boost from Sam waitlist.

1164
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:23,670
Yeah,

1165
01:14:23,940 --> 01:14:26,160
Dave Jones: it has to be I mean,
with a name like that. It's got

1166
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:27,840
to be sent from wavelength
50,000.

1167
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:30,690
Adam Curry: saps from Sam wave
Lake says gotta love the music

1168
01:14:30,690 --> 01:14:37,290
bass. Thank you, Sam. Fantastic.
All right. Now we got to talk

1169
01:14:37,290 --> 01:14:42,750
about lots of other things. Oh,
man, here's something I love and

1170
01:14:42,780 --> 01:14:47,070
this is this was it was really
nice to have that long. Pod

1171
01:14:47,070 --> 01:14:54,360
news. We can review episode. So
two things one, I love I'm not

1172
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:57,870
sure how they do it. But the
fountain transcripts at some

1173
01:14:57,870 --> 01:15:02,010
kind of sorcery way You were you
request a transcript and it

1174
01:15:02,010 --> 01:15:06,330
shows up in 30 seconds. I need
to know what's doing this. I do

1175
01:15:06,330 --> 01:15:09,270
not understand who's doing it.
How does that happen in 30

1176
01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:13,800
seconds when I, when I literally
pay a company, I think $30 a

1177
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:16,380
month to wait hours for a
transcript?

1178
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:21,210
Dave Jones: What I don't know
about this? Okay, so news to me.

1179
01:15:21,629 --> 01:15:25,769
Adam Curry: So, fountain, and
Martin is considering doing the

1180
01:15:25,769 --> 01:15:28,559
same thing. So I just want to
know what the back end is. I

1181
01:15:28,559 --> 01:15:33,119
think it's a good idea. Now in
Fountain if you if you want a

1182
01:15:33,119 --> 01:15:35,579
transcript, and if the podcast
you're listening to has a

1183
01:15:35,579 --> 01:15:38,429
transcript, you get the
transcript. If it doesn't have a

1184
01:15:38,429 --> 01:15:43,589
transcript, you can pay. I think
it was 3000 SATs to get a

1185
01:15:43,589 --> 01:15:48,989
transcript very fair deal, or is
this very fair? Yes. Or if

1186
01:15:48,989 --> 01:15:54,329
you're a premium operator, which
I am, you get it built into your

1187
01:15:54,329 --> 01:16:00,599
premium into your premium thing.
And yeah, so but I love seeing

1188
01:16:00,599 --> 01:16:03,719
Tina, because she got the
upgrade. And you know that she

1189
01:16:03,719 --> 01:16:06,749
would blow first you on? What
happened? Where's all my stuff?

1190
01:16:07,349 --> 01:16:09,929
You know, this always happens,
right was an upgrade, you

1191
01:16:09,929 --> 01:16:12,539
upgrade the app? And then
where's Moses? I guess it takes

1192
01:16:12,539 --> 01:16:15,539
a second for the library to come
in. Boom, she's like, Oh,

1193
01:16:15,539 --> 01:16:19,709
everything's here. And I said, I
said, you know, you should use

1194
01:16:19,709 --> 01:16:23,549
this transcript on your Megyn
Kelly podcast, which she she

1195
01:16:23,549 --> 01:16:27,179
likes Megyn. Kelly. She says,
why? I said, Well, you're always

1196
01:16:27,179 --> 01:16:29,969
telling me about the stuff that
was on Megyn. Kelly, and then

1197
01:16:30,179 --> 01:16:33,629
you're having trouble locating
it. Whereas if you get a

1198
01:16:33,629 --> 01:16:36,809
transcript, you can search for a
word, and then it goes right to

1199
01:16:36,809 --> 01:16:41,579
that part in the in the podcast.
And well, I incorrectly said and

1200
01:16:41,579 --> 01:16:44,339
then you can, you can clip it
and send the clip to your

1201
01:16:44,339 --> 01:16:47,759
friends from it. That doesn't
quite work the way as expected

1202
01:16:47,759 --> 01:16:53,339
in in Fountain. Yep. But so she
was not a premium user. And she

1203
01:16:53,339 --> 01:16:59,339
got the 3000 Sapt request. And
and she said well, 3000 SATs.

1204
01:17:00,509 --> 01:17:03,149
Alright, well, this is
literally, this is literally not

1205
01:17:03,149 --> 01:17:08,369
even a buck. Come on. Let's stop
with me now just do this. But

1206
01:17:08,369 --> 01:17:11,099
then, but actually, she upgraded
to a premium right on the spot,

1207
01:17:11,099 --> 01:17:14,939
which was very handy through
through Apple, because she has

1208
01:17:14,939 --> 01:17:17,969
an iPhone, you just put your
thumb on the sensor, boom, Apple

1209
01:17:17,969 --> 01:17:22,019
pay whatever it worked. She
loves it now. Now, it would be

1210
01:17:22,019 --> 01:17:25,109
even better if you could indeed
easily clip directly from that

1211
01:17:25,109 --> 01:17:29,129
spot. Maybe we weren't doing it
right. It wasn't apparent. But

1212
01:17:29,129 --> 01:17:31,829
the idea of paying for a
transcript that you can then

1213
01:17:31,829 --> 01:17:35,039
use, I thought was genius. And

1214
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:39,060
Dave Jones: just did it while
you were talking. And it. It

1215
01:17:39,060 --> 01:17:41,940
took like 15 seconds to give an
entire transcript of this

1216
01:17:41,940 --> 01:17:45,510
episode with Scott Horton show,
which is like an hour long.

1217
01:17:45,540 --> 01:17:48,360
Adam Curry: How does that work?
What Mojo is this?

1218
01:17:48,599 --> 01:17:49,529
Dave Jones: I don't know.

1219
01:17:51,090 --> 01:17:54,120
Adam Curry: But I liked the
concept. Now the next thing is

1220
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:58,590
how do we turn that in? Oh, wow.
Oh, Amber Alert. Amber, Alert,

1221
01:17:58,590 --> 01:18:03,660
alert. Amber Alert. How do we
turn that into an even bigger

1222
01:18:03,660 --> 01:18:07,290
benefit for everybody? I'm not
sure. I mean, maybe I don't

1223
01:18:07,290 --> 01:18:14,370
know. I'd love to buy them. I'll
pay $1 A transcript every single

1224
01:18:14,370 --> 01:18:18,510
day. Especially if it's done in
15 to 30 seconds. That was

1225
01:18:18,510 --> 01:18:20,040
totally insane.

1226
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:23,220
Dave Jones: I don't understand
how this can be so fast.

1227
01:18:23,490 --> 01:18:25,170
Adam Curry: It mean, the only
thing I can think is they're

1228
01:18:25,230 --> 01:18:28,440
already doing it in the
background or something. I mean,

1229
01:18:28,470 --> 01:18:30,690
it's I don't get it.

1230
01:18:31,770 --> 01:18:37,980
Dave Jones: Do you use? Do you
think that they're alive

1231
01:18:37,980 --> 01:18:42,090
allowed? Do you think that
they're doing it once? And then

1232
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:47,910
they've got it cash? Possibly
possibly, then it still would

1233
01:18:47,910 --> 01:18:50,910
take more it still didn't, then
it would have taken less than 15

1234
01:18:50,910 --> 01:18:51,510
seconds.

1235
01:18:51,750 --> 01:18:54,930
Adam Curry: Anyway, I love the
idea of paying for. I love the

1236
01:18:54,930 --> 01:18:59,310
idea of paying for features like
that. And as a podcaster. If

1237
01:18:59,310 --> 01:19:05,730
someone is kind enough to pay
for that. Can I then give it to

1238
01:19:05,730 --> 01:19:08,220
everybody else and split the
difference?

1239
01:19:09,090 --> 01:19:11,400
Dave Jones: Yes, that's what
Nathan gee, that's what Nathan

1240
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:15,420
gathright was saying in the text
is that in the chat was like,

1241
01:19:15,690 --> 01:19:19,350
Could this be posted back?
Because what Okay, so I mean,

1242
01:19:19,350 --> 01:19:22,860
there's a but I've got a bunch
of stuff on the to do list.

1243
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,920
Adam Curry: I mean, I understand
if you want. If you want

1244
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:28,860
multiple people to buy the Megyn
Kelly transcript, I understand

1245
01:19:28,860 --> 01:19:31,350
the business model. I'm not
going to fight you on it. But it

1246
01:19:31,350 --> 01:19:34,710
would be kind of cool. If some
it let's say 10 People buy it,

1247
01:19:34,980 --> 01:19:39,300
then then you make it available
handed back somehow. Just that

1248
01:19:39,300 --> 01:19:41,610
would be cool. That would be
cool. Well, one

1249
01:19:41,610 --> 01:19:44,910
Dave Jones: of the things that
he was wanting for steno is this

1250
01:19:44,910 --> 01:19:49,320
way to post the post back and I
don't want to use the word

1251
01:19:49,830 --> 01:19:52,830
Adam Curry: Nathan. Nathan G is
saying when one person pays for

1252
01:19:52,830 --> 01:19:54,690
it, everyone else and fountain
gets it.

1253
01:19:55,350 --> 01:19:56,880
Dave Jones: Really Is that for
real is that?

1254
01:19:57,660 --> 01:20:00,750
Adam Curry: I don't know. Well,
okay, hold on. What did you just

1255
01:20:00,750 --> 01:20:02,520
buy the transcript of?

1256
01:20:03,090 --> 01:20:06,570
Dave Jones: I just did well, I'm
a premium fountain. So I already

1257
01:20:06,570 --> 01:20:07,140
got it so

1258
01:20:07,140 --> 01:20:09,750
Adam Curry: bright, but I'm
premium too. So it should be

1259
01:20:09,750 --> 01:20:11,280
there. Okay, so

1260
01:20:11,850 --> 01:20:18,300
Dave Jones: I did the Scott
Horton show, from 518 23. Ted

1261
01:20:18,300 --> 01:20:20,130
Snyder on the dangerous
trajectory of the war in

1262
01:20:20,130 --> 01:20:22,860
Ukraine. From May 22.

1263
01:20:24,090 --> 01:20:30,810
Adam Curry: podcast, I'm gonna
get Scott Horton show. And I

1264
01:20:30,810 --> 01:20:31,470
hate

1265
01:20:31,470 --> 01:20:32,760
Dave Jones: from at att,

1266
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:35,700
Adam Curry: I gotta make a
change right here. And

1267
01:20:36,420 --> 01:20:38,070
transcript already available.

1268
01:20:38,850 --> 01:20:43,290
Dave Jones: Damn. Wow. So that's
it. So if one for whatever,

1269
01:20:43,500 --> 01:20:44,760
whatever it gets in,

1270
01:20:44,910 --> 01:20:49,830
Adam Curry: I mean, I would even
I would, man. Okay, well, how

1271
01:20:49,830 --> 01:20:52,410
come I wasn't in this meeting? I
want to be in this meeting with

1272
01:20:52,410 --> 01:20:53,640
this cool stuff happens.

1273
01:20:53,670 --> 01:20:56,010
Dave Jones: You know why you
weren't in the meeting? Because

1274
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:57,390
you're not an advisor.

1275
01:20:59,430 --> 01:21:01,800
Adam Curry: I'm not a paid
advisor. I'm not any kind of

1276
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:02,460
advisor.

1277
01:21:03,180 --> 01:21:06,570
Dave Jones: So you so here's
what here's what Nathan wanted

1278
01:21:06,570 --> 01:21:10,560
for steno he wanted. He said,
Okay, well, if there's a

1279
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:15,660
transcript, if, if there's a
podcaster, who has transcripts

1280
01:21:15,660 --> 01:21:23,310
for their show, then, but their
host doesn't support the

1281
01:21:23,310 --> 01:21:28,020
transcript tag. Could they put
the trend a link to the

1282
01:21:28,020 --> 01:21:34,740
transcripts somewhere else like
in the show notes? And then once

1283
01:21:34,770 --> 01:21:39,720
an app registers it, can they
link back? Can they say, an app

1284
01:21:39,750 --> 01:21:43,380
that's, let's just say got good
standing, like steno or pod

1285
01:21:43,380 --> 01:21:46,290
friend or something like that?
Well, here's, here's okay. Then

1286
01:21:46,290 --> 01:21:50,460
give that back to the index and
the index, you know, grab it and

1287
01:21:50,460 --> 01:21:52,650
say, Okay, here's here's a
transcript for this for this

1288
01:21:52,650 --> 01:21:53,190
show.

1289
01:21:53,850 --> 01:21:55,890
Adam Curry: Well, I what I
wouldn't want is I wouldn't

1290
01:21:55,890 --> 01:21:59,220
want, you know, one app to be
supporting everybody else. And

1291
01:21:59,220 --> 01:22:02,160
everybody else just kind of
getting a free ride. I mean,

1292
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:04,920
there's all kinds of you know
what, it's not even up for us to

1293
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:09,120
decide. I need to hear from,
from Martin and from Oscar and

1294
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:11,040
these guys need to explain what
they're doing and what their

1295
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:14,010
ideas what their thoughts are.
And had, does this have anything

1296
01:22:14,010 --> 01:22:15,780
to do with those guys that we
talked to?

1297
01:22:17,940 --> 01:22:19,470
Dave Jones: The music match?

1298
01:22:19,500 --> 01:22:22,230
Adam Curry: Yeah, musics match?
Because I didn't hear any of

1299
01:22:22,230 --> 01:22:25,590
this stuff? I don't think so.
No, because they had a whole

1300
01:22:25,590 --> 01:22:28,710
different idea. They wanted to
come from them. I mean, maybe

1301
01:22:28,710 --> 01:22:30,600
this is coming. I don't know
where it's coming from. It's

1302
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:31,170
magic.

1303
01:22:31,710 --> 01:22:34,530
Dave Jones: Well, I need to, I
mean, I'm fine with building

1304
01:22:34,530 --> 01:22:39,210
this. I mean, if there's a if
there is a so the thing here

1305
01:22:39,210 --> 01:22:43,800
would be the podcaster
themselves, makes this thing

1306
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:49,260
available. Okay, so let me walk
you through this. The podcaster

1307
01:22:49,890 --> 01:22:53,700
that, let's say this podcaster
is on Anchor, but they do want

1308
01:22:53,700 --> 01:22:57,030
to provide transcripts, anchor
doesn't support transcripts. So

1309
01:22:57,030 --> 01:23:01,320
they put some sort of structured
link into their show notes with

1310
01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:06,420
an A with a transcript tag that
links out to otter or whatever

1311
01:23:08,010 --> 01:23:10,980
that is, so that you are that
that podcaster, it's in their

1312
01:23:10,980 --> 01:23:16,050
feed, so we know that it's them
that did it. And so we can get

1313
01:23:16,050 --> 01:23:22,200
that the app, I'm just going to
use dyno as an example. This

1314
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:30,030
dyno app can get it that URL,
and then post it post it back.

1315
01:23:30,630 --> 01:23:33,420
Or if we had it even really,
even if we had it structured in

1316
01:23:33,420 --> 01:23:36,900
a certain way the the index
could extract it out of shadows

1317
01:23:36,900 --> 01:23:37,230
for I

1318
01:23:37,230 --> 01:23:39,810
Adam Curry: don't know, man, I
mean, there's that shimmy all

1319
01:23:39,810 --> 01:23:40,740
over the place.

1320
01:23:41,490 --> 01:23:44,490
Dave Jones: But it's not so it's
not, it's not super shimmy.

1321
01:23:44,910 --> 01:23:46,890
Adam Curry: Right? Well, then
what then why don't we actually,

1322
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:50,280
uh, why don't we accept all tags
in the show notes, we might as

1323
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:51,660
well then, which kind

1324
01:23:51,660 --> 01:23:55,440
Dave Jones: of it is that this
is not for this is for this

1325
01:23:55,440 --> 01:24:02,790
would be for podcasters that
want to play ball. But for some

1326
01:24:02,790 --> 01:24:04,740
reason, I just I'd rather than

1327
01:24:04,740 --> 01:24:07,590
Adam Curry: go I'd rather they
go to a host that supports it to

1328
01:24:07,590 --> 01:24:11,010
be honest. They put the work in,
they've put the energy in, they

1329
01:24:11,010 --> 01:24:14,850
put the time and they put the
money in. If you're on by the

1330
01:24:14,850 --> 01:24:18,150
way, if you're an anchor, from
what I understand, you're not

1331
01:24:18,150 --> 01:24:20,970
even gonna get automatically
accepted to the index anymore,

1332
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,600
which I think is not a bad
thing, which is not a bad thing.

1333
01:24:25,470 --> 01:24:27,720
Dave Jones: That's a topic we
need to discuss. Let's discuss

1334
01:24:29,340 --> 01:24:35,430
shall we? So that the problem
here is that one out of 10

1335
01:24:35,490 --> 01:24:39,660
anchor podcast is is anything
close to being what we would

1336
01:24:39,660 --> 01:24:47,250
consider a podcast. So if we
define I don't want to this is

1337
01:24:47,250 --> 01:24:50,310
not when I say what is a
podcast, I'm not talking about

1338
01:24:50,340 --> 01:24:58,710
RSS. I'm saying if you think
about if you think about what is

1339
01:24:58,710 --> 01:25:05,130
a what is a A legitimate
podcast, in the sense of when

1340
01:25:05,130 --> 01:25:10,020
you go looking for a podcast to
listen to, what would any

1341
01:25:10,020 --> 01:25:16,620
rational human being discern
would be in that category. So it

1342
01:25:17,310 --> 01:25:22,170
is, if there's a, let's just say
that there's this circle with a

1343
01:25:22,170 --> 01:25:27,660
whole bunch of, of qualities in
it that encompass what a podcast

1344
01:25:27,660 --> 01:25:36,960
would be. And then all these 5
million items coming out of

1345
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:42,840
anchor, how many of those
qualify to be in that circle? So

1346
01:25:43,470 --> 01:25:48,030
if if it's a, you know, we've
talked about this many times, if

1347
01:25:48,030 --> 01:25:55,830
it's a six minute ramble from
somebody, you know, from

1348
01:25:55,830 --> 01:26:01,440
somebody talking about something
that happened to them at the

1349
01:26:01,440 --> 01:26:06,540
grocery store, four years ago,
and that's, that's, that's a

1350
01:26:06,540 --> 01:26:11,610
podcast, on Anchor, that's not a
podcast. I mean, nobody cares.

1351
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:17,460
Nobody is more than just nobody
cares. It's nobody in the

1352
01:26:17,460 --> 01:26:23,910
history from now until the end
of time. No human being will

1353
01:26:23,940 --> 01:26:28,920
ever listen to that piece of
audio content. I mean, like, I

1354
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:29,460
don't know,

1355
01:26:29,490 --> 01:26:32,250
Adam Curry: I don't know, very,
very poor example. I would I

1356
01:26:32,250 --> 01:26:35,940
understand what you're saying.
But let's just say it's the I

1357
01:26:35,940 --> 01:26:39,810
got the AP test, test, test,
podcast test. That's basically

1358
01:26:39,810 --> 01:26:41,070
what you're talking about.

1359
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:45,390
Dave Jones: But it is what I'm
talking about. But I guess when

1360
01:26:45,390 --> 01:26:47,940
I'm trying, I was trying to be a
little more flexible than that.

1361
01:26:47,940 --> 01:26:54,510
Because there are. That's
probably that's a certain small

1362
01:26:54,510 --> 01:26:55,620
percentage of them. But we got

1363
01:26:55,620 --> 01:26:56,940
Adam Curry: to be really
careful.

1364
01:26:57,330 --> 01:26:58,470
Dave Jones: I mean, I know, I
know.

1365
01:26:59,070 --> 01:27:03,090
Adam Curry: Because you get into
what you think is not a podcast,

1366
01:27:03,090 --> 01:27:06,870
or no one will listen to. I
mean, what if I decide to upload

1367
01:27:07,740 --> 01:27:10,950
a speech I did 15 years ago? And
you say, well, that's not a

1368
01:27:10,950 --> 01:27:16,380
podcast. I mean, I don't think
that's fair. I understand what

1369
01:27:16,380 --> 01:27:24,090
you want. Because one out of 10
is just a test. It's not it's

1370
01:27:24,090 --> 01:27:29,610
nothing and nothing follows up,
right. Let's be honest, you want

1371
01:27:29,610 --> 01:27:32,760
to punish Spotify, I'm with you
on that. I hate those guys.

1372
01:27:33,750 --> 01:27:38,850
Dave Jones: That is not true.
Okay, let me try to give me try

1373
01:27:38,850 --> 01:27:43,710
to expand this example a little
bit. Let's say let's do a

1374
01:27:43,710 --> 01:27:48,840
thought experiment here and say
that. Okay, every iPhone has a

1375
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:54,840
voice recorder app on it. That
is easy. You can you can record

1376
01:27:54,840 --> 01:28:03,240
things at the touch of a button.
Let's say that tomorrow, Apple

1377
01:28:03,660 --> 01:28:10,440
announced that at any that in
any moment, you could when you

1378
01:28:10,440 --> 01:28:13,530
use the voice recorder app, you
could also tap a button right

1379
01:28:13,530 --> 01:28:17,100
there in the user interface and
create a podcast feed for that.

1380
01:28:18,990 --> 01:28:25,350
Instantly, you would have
hundreds of millions of podcasts

1381
01:28:25,380 --> 01:28:34,500
maybe. And what I'm saying is if
the only criteria that we use to

1382
01:28:34,500 --> 01:28:39,330
say that this is a this is a
podcast, is that it is audio

1383
01:28:39,330 --> 01:28:47,340
inside of an RSS feed that is
not sustainable for the for any

1384
01:28:47,340 --> 01:28:56,040
sort of index. Because we live,
nobody can handle aggregating

1385
01:28:56,610 --> 01:28:58,740
100 million podcasts.

1386
01:28:59,460 --> 01:29:03,060
Adam Curry: Okay, well, now
you're mixing up a whole bunch

1387
01:29:03,060 --> 01:29:06,120
of things. A podcast doesn't
have to be audio, it can be

1388
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:09,840
video, it can be all kinds of
different things. I like the

1389
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:12,570
idea of and first of all, I
don't think we have a problem

1390
01:29:12,570 --> 01:29:14,430
with an overload of 100 million

1391
01:29:15,570 --> 01:29:17,580
Dave Jones: anchors, Paleo
thought experiments, purely

1392
01:29:17,580 --> 01:29:17,940
exotics.

1393
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:20,040
Adam Curry: I'm thinking too and
I'm thinking that's not

1394
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:25,980
happening. When I understand
you're, you're frustrated, but

1395
01:29:25,980 --> 01:29:30,870
the frustration is with is with
the cleanup of the database of

1396
01:29:30,900 --> 01:29:35,010
garbage of junk. But what is you
know, one man's junk is another

1397
01:29:35,010 --> 01:29:38,100
man's beauty. So we just have to
be very very careful with making

1398
01:29:38,100 --> 01:29:42,420
judgment calls. If a if I had on
my graphene OS a way to make a

1399
01:29:42,420 --> 01:29:48,510
podcast out of a voice recorder.
I might actually make a podcast

1400
01:29:48,540 --> 01:29:52,560
of my voice recordings. Now,
just because you don't consider

1401
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:56,070
that to be a show. Doesn't mean
that it's invalid.

1402
01:29:58,020 --> 01:30:01,860
Dave Jones: No, no. You You
that's that's where we're not

1403
01:30:01,860 --> 01:30:06,810
tracking together. What I'm not
saying that voice recordings off

1404
01:30:06,810 --> 01:30:10,500
the iPhone are all invalid as
podcasts. What I'm saying is,

1405
01:30:11,220 --> 01:30:16,440
the signal to noise ratio is
going to be so high. Sure, it's

1406
01:30:16,440 --> 01:30:21,180
no longer it's no longer
sufficient to just say if it's

1407
01:30:21,210 --> 01:30:24,600
audio in an RSS feed, it is a
podcast and it needs to be

1408
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:30,750
indexed. So like, just because
the RSS feed exists, doesn't,

1409
01:30:31,500 --> 01:30:37,080
let's say, if, if we don't in
just because we don't index, it

1410
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:41,910
doesn't mean that it got
deleted. But what it can still

1411
01:30:41,910 --> 01:30:44,460
exist, it still exists on the
internet.

1412
01:30:45,300 --> 01:30:48,120
Adam Curry: Yes. Understood.
Okay, so not your mate. Okay,

1413
01:30:48,390 --> 01:30:52,080
you're making calls about what
should be in the podcast index?

1414
01:30:52,440 --> 01:30:56,880
What problem are you trying to
solve at this moment? Or is this

1415
01:30:56,880 --> 01:31:01,200
a future thing? If if Apple
Apple would ever do that? Or is

1416
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:06,240
this? Is there a specific
problem you can point to? Right

1417
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:09,030
now that you want to solve?

1418
01:31:11,910 --> 01:31:14,880
Dave Jones: Yeah, that's a good,
that's a good way to ask. That's

1419
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:16,890
a good way to get me to clarify
what I'm thinking thank you

1420
01:31:16,890 --> 01:31:22,350
that. Okay, so let's call this
the anchor, the anchor problem,

1421
01:31:22,380 --> 01:31:26,460
because the problem, like I
said, though, like I started off

1422
01:31:26,460 --> 01:31:31,410
that the problem with anchor
feeds is that it's a 10 to one

1423
01:31:32,010 --> 01:31:37,260
ratio of feeds that, and I'm
gonna say this, again, because

1424
01:31:37,260 --> 01:31:41,100
this is the only way I know how
to describe it is a 10 to one

1425
01:31:41,100 --> 01:31:46,650
ratio, there's 10 feeds for
every one feed that that will

1426
01:31:46,650 --> 01:31:52,140
have some sort of audience,
meaning people looking for it,

1427
01:31:52,170 --> 01:31:55,440
that would then need to be
indexed. There's another 10

1428
01:31:55,440 --> 01:32:01,830
feeds coming out of anchor that
are dead. That is something

1429
01:32:01,830 --> 01:32:05,640
nobody will ever listen to in
the history of it from now to

1430
01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:06,840
eternity go ha,

1431
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:12,090
Adam Curry: ha, that's a big
call you're making, because and

1432
01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:18,870
what from? What I recall, is we
had a set of parameters which

1433
01:32:18,870 --> 01:32:23,280
are published, this is what
we're going to call out of the

1434
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:29,670
index. And it was has to have X
X number of items of X number of

1435
01:32:29,670 --> 01:32:33,600
something. I'm sure you have it
codified somewhere. And that

1436
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:36,780
that gets called out of the
index, what I hear you saying is

1437
01:32:36,780 --> 01:32:40,380
you don't want to even have it
come in in the first place.

1438
01:32:42,480 --> 01:32:46,680
Dave Jones: Maybe that's what
I'm trying to talk out. That's

1439
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:48,210
why we're having this
conversation, because I'm not

1440
01:32:48,210 --> 01:32:53,130
sure. So you have John John
Spurlock's sort of idea is and

1441
01:32:53,130 --> 01:32:56,820
this is you laid out his
thinking as well, where he says,

1442
01:32:56,820 --> 01:33:01,950
Okay, well just have your
criteria, ingest everything,

1443
01:33:01,980 --> 01:33:04,680
then call out the stuff that
doesn't meet the criteria over

1444
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:07,290
time, which is what I thought we
were doing with anchor that is

1445
01:33:07,290 --> 01:33:09,750
exact Yeah. And that's, that's
how we've been handling it. But

1446
01:33:09,750 --> 01:33:14,370
here's what here's the reason
that I'm bringing this up. I get

1447
01:33:14,370 --> 01:33:17,970
the weekly stats dump every
week. In it show one of the

1448
01:33:17,970 --> 01:33:21,360
things that when the database
gets dumped out for public

1449
01:33:21,390 --> 01:33:26,250
download one of the things it
does is it goes through and

1450
01:33:26,250 --> 01:33:30,330
tallies up all the podcasts the
numbers that go along with each

1451
01:33:30,330 --> 01:33:35,370
hosting company and I put a lot
of work into making that number

1452
01:33:35,370 --> 01:33:39,300
accurate. So I get a report on
every Saturday night this that

1453
01:33:39,300 --> 01:33:44,640
shows each host and how many
podcasts they have in the index

1454
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:50,100
anchor but since we started
doing the purging based on

1455
01:33:50,100 --> 01:33:54,360
criteria and that is at least
you got to have at least three

1456
01:33:54,360 --> 01:33:58,800
episodes and he had to have at
least one episode greater than

1457
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:05,130
five minutes so that it's pretty
pretty loose or or you have to

1458
01:34:05,130 --> 01:34:08,850
have an iTunes ID you have to
have submitted so if if one of

1459
01:34:08,850 --> 01:34:12,810
those if none of those three
criteria are met and you are a

1460
01:34:12,810 --> 01:34:18,090
free podcast host meaning anchor
Spreaker other books you get

1461
01:34:18,090 --> 01:34:26,160
purged so since we implemented
that anchor has not the number

1462
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:30,120
of active anchor fees the index
has not gone above 1.7 million

1463
01:34:30,210 --> 01:34:33,690
okay that's good it's been
almost virtually stuck at that

1464
01:34:33,690 --> 01:34:38,220
number since which tail end
which end but they claim

1465
01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:42,600
Adam Curry: they Ah Here we
guys. Ah, here we go. Okay,

1466
01:34:42,630 --> 01:34:44,070
okay. Let's stop there for

1467
01:34:44,070 --> 01:34:47,280
Dave Jones: a second. That tells
me that three point something

1468
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:51,420
million of those podcasts in
anchor don't meet that criteria.

1469
01:34:51,450 --> 01:34:56,430
Adam Curry: Got it. Stop. Okay.
There's no auto ingest system

1470
01:34:56,430 --> 01:34:59,550
from anchor Correct.

1471
01:35:00,870 --> 01:35:02,670
Dave Jones: Four part test
index. Yeah.

1472
01:35:04,230 --> 01:35:07,590
Adam Curry: So these are either
submitted by people they've

1473
01:35:07,590 --> 01:35:12,360
manually submitted, or it's been
submitted through either Swedish

1474
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:15,270
trickler or some other
mechanism. There's a couple of

1475
01:35:15,270 --> 01:35:17,910
different ways we get stuff. So
where, where are the anchor

1476
01:35:17,910 --> 01:35:19,080
feeds coming from?

1477
01:35:19,769 --> 01:35:24,569
Dave Jones: They're coming,
that's the sweetest trickler. In

1478
01:35:24,869 --> 01:35:27,989
this way, Strickler submits
anchor feeds based on that the

1479
01:35:27,989 --> 01:35:31,439
known algorithm for how anchor,
so does its URLs. So it's

1480
01:35:31,439 --> 01:35:33,179
basically an auto ingestion.

1481
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:36,780
Adam Curry: Maybe that's what we
should stop. Just stop auto

1482
01:35:36,780 --> 01:35:39,780
ingestion of anchor feeds, if
you want to be if you want to be

1483
01:35:39,780 --> 01:35:42,600
in the index, you can go to
podcast index.org and click on

1484
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:43,080
Add.

1485
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:46,140
Dave Jones: That's, that's what
I was wondering if we should do.

1486
01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:49,530
Yes, that's what I was trying to
figure out.

1487
01:35:49,530 --> 01:35:52,020
Adam Curry: Okay, well, how
about this Swedish trickler.

1488
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:56,430
Now, I have no problem with the
Swedish tricolor making his own

1489
01:35:56,430 --> 01:35:59,790
decisions, what he feels should
be is is appropriate for the

1490
01:35:59,790 --> 01:36:04,110
index. But if he's submitting a
bunch of junk, which and I don't

1491
01:36:04,110 --> 01:36:07,650
mean that in a bad way, I mean,
he's just got scripts go on, and

1492
01:36:07,650 --> 01:36:10,440
he's doing his thing, which is
great. But maybe he should

1493
01:36:10,440 --> 01:36:13,830
consider not polluting the
index, because this stuff just

1494
01:36:13,830 --> 01:36:16,290
gets taken to that's just a
waste of cycle. We just need to

1495
01:36:16,290 --> 01:36:21,660
sync up with him. And, and I'm
hearing a little bit of a of

1496
01:36:21,660 --> 01:36:24,750
something else, which I
understand. You're thinking,

1497
01:36:24,780 --> 01:36:28,440
look at these dickheads claiming
they got 5 million podcast, but

1498
01:36:28,440 --> 01:36:32,910
they're lying is bullcrap. It's
just it's, it's, it's dirt,

1499
01:36:32,940 --> 01:36:37,350
it's, it's muck, it's mud. So
you are in a way kind of mad

1500
01:36:37,350 --> 01:36:41,280
about I'm mad about that, too.
But I don't want us to become

1501
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:45,600
some kind of gatekeeper based
upon some criteria that, you

1502
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:50,010
know, well, just because it's
something no one we think no one

1503
01:36:50,010 --> 01:36:54,090
will ever listen to. It's not
valid. That just puts us in a

1504
01:36:54,090 --> 01:36:55,050
weird position.

1505
01:36:56,670 --> 01:37:00,690
Dave Jones: Yeah. Now still,
yeah. I feel you on that. And I

1506
01:37:00,690 --> 01:37:04,260
understand that I'm getting into
icky territory here. And, you

1507
01:37:04,260 --> 01:37:06,810
know, people are yelling at, you
know, yelling in the chat room

1508
01:37:06,810 --> 01:37:10,110
about about censorship and not a
good fit.

1509
01:37:10,890 --> 01:37:13,770
Adam Curry: But we're just,
we're just talking here. People

1510
01:37:13,770 --> 01:37:18,060
were not simmer down. Donna
Summer in the chat room. This

1511
01:37:18,090 --> 01:37:21,780
this, this is the beauty of this
project is we're just talking

1512
01:37:21,780 --> 01:37:24,930
through something here. We're
not, we're not trying to do

1513
01:37:24,930 --> 01:37:25,500
anything.

1514
01:37:26,130 --> 01:37:29,370
Dave Jones: And I'm, I'm totally
sensitive to that idea that this

1515
01:37:29,370 --> 01:37:33,690
is these this is our censorship
starts. Now, I fully understand

1516
01:37:33,690 --> 01:37:39,000
that. But there is I guess,
they're realistic limits. If we

1517
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:43,410
had a sugar daddy, that dropped,
you know, the drop $10 million

1518
01:37:43,740 --> 01:37:46,110
on this, and we didn't have to
worry about money anymore. May

1519
01:37:46,110 --> 01:37:50,400
not fire up under fire up
sorcerers who would be going at

1520
01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:52,620
this thing hard. And I wouldn't
I would never care about how

1521
01:37:52,620 --> 01:37:55,770
many feeds are in there, of
course, but we have real, real

1522
01:37:55,770 --> 01:37:58,500
realistic constraints. And so
we're really having

1523
01:37:58,530 --> 01:38:01,050
Adam Curry: Okay, I'm sorry,
what we're really talking about

1524
01:38:01,350 --> 01:38:08,760
submission. So the issue here
is, and I'm just telling you

1525
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:13,680
what I feel okay, because you're
my brother here. We have your I

1526
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:17,610
heard the Spotify CEO in his
little studio there with his

1527
01:38:17,610 --> 01:38:21,870
shield boys. I watched the whole
interview. Well, we have 5

1528
01:38:21,870 --> 01:38:27,090
million podcasts he and you
know, so we have 4 million, but

1529
01:38:27,090 --> 01:38:30,540
they're very well curated. And
when I say curated, that means

1530
01:38:30,540 --> 01:38:33,690
you know, we have published
criteria, and all the junk that

1531
01:38:33,690 --> 01:38:40,050
is literally Spotify junk.
That's their problem. Now, I

1532
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:46,230
can't speak for the other free
podcast hosts, if it's all junk,

1533
01:38:46,230 --> 01:38:50,940
what comes out of them as well.
But I think we need to make

1534
01:38:50,940 --> 01:38:55,440
clear that we do not
automatically ingest from free

1535
01:38:55,470 --> 01:38:59,850
podcast host because there's a
10 to one ratio of serious

1536
01:38:59,850 --> 01:39:03,810
stuff. If you're serious, here's
an easy way for you to submit it

1537
01:39:03,810 --> 01:39:07,680
into the index. And people ask
us all the time to submit this.

1538
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:10,290
And sometimes it didn't even
search to see if they're in

1539
01:39:10,290 --> 01:39:15,390
there. But and there's and you
can add your podcast yourself by

1540
01:39:15,390 --> 01:39:19,800
going to podcast index.org. And
I think it's more of a policy is

1541
01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:22,500
like, Hey, do we see something
from anchor? It's not an

1542
01:39:22,500 --> 01:39:25,860
automatic ingest, you need to
come in and do it yourself. And

1543
01:39:25,860 --> 01:39:32,970
so we may have a lower count, we
may not have everything. But I

1544
01:39:32,970 --> 01:39:38,190
would say we could even look if
if if someone's on pod friend,

1545
01:39:38,490 --> 01:39:41,400
and they're searching for a
podcast and it doesn't show up.

1546
01:39:42,060 --> 01:39:45,540
I mean, that to me is the
signal, right? That's a signal

1547
01:39:45,540 --> 01:39:48,570
that says, oh, we should have
this. Why don't we have this?

1548
01:39:49,020 --> 01:39:51,150
You know, there's maybe
something we can do working with

1549
01:39:51,150 --> 01:39:54,090
the apps. I mean, because that's
the only use case I can see

1550
01:39:54,090 --> 01:39:59,190
where it's a problem that we
didn't ingest something because

1551
01:39:59,190 --> 01:40:02,160
we Uh, because we just didn't
want it and thought, you know,

1552
01:40:02,190 --> 01:40:05,370
we said this is no good, but
someone wanted it something that

1553
01:40:05,370 --> 01:40:08,070
has some signal has to go off
and that I don't think it's just

1554
01:40:08,100 --> 01:40:12,540
us. I think it's a collaborative
effort, that we identify things

1555
01:40:12,540 --> 01:40:15,750
that are not in the index. And,
and we make sure that, you know,

1556
01:40:15,780 --> 01:40:18,900
that that gets flagged and gets
taken care of immediately, if

1557
01:40:18,900 --> 01:40:20,460
not automatically, if possible.

1558
01:40:22,110 --> 01:40:25,950
Dave Jones: Yeah. I don't want
to do anything right now, I want

1559
01:40:25,950 --> 01:40:28,500
to let this bake. And I want to
let people have an opinion, you

1560
01:40:28,500 --> 01:40:31,020
know, form opinions on it and
continue to talk about it a

1561
01:40:31,020 --> 01:40:33,030
little bit. I don't see any
reason to make any sort of

1562
01:40:33,030 --> 01:40:35,520
changes right now. Because we're
gonna have to do this database

1563
01:40:35,550 --> 01:40:39,540
upgrade anyway. Yeah. And
that's, that's a no brainer. But

1564
01:40:39,690 --> 01:40:41,250
we're eliminating going

1565
01:40:42,540 --> 01:40:47,910
Adam Curry: back to what you
just said, if if we had a we had

1566
01:40:47,910 --> 01:40:52,500
a Daddy Warbucks uncle, who
said, you know, what, just suck

1567
01:40:52,500 --> 01:40:57,360
it all in suck in all that 5
million pieces of junk?

1568
01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:01,320
Dave Jones: Oh, if we had that,
that would be super creepy. You

1569
01:41:03,060 --> 01:41:06,210
Adam Curry: know, I mean, would
you be able to would you mean,

1570
01:41:06,480 --> 01:41:10,230
would that be satisfactory to
you? Because we would have that

1571
01:41:10,230 --> 01:41:13,410
we would be able to ingest all
the junk, because we'd have the

1572
01:41:13,410 --> 01:41:16,500
money to have the servers? Don't
you still run into just a

1573
01:41:16,500 --> 01:41:19,410
general junk problem? Whether
you whether you have the servers

1574
01:41:19,410 --> 01:41:20,490
to handle it or not?

1575
01:41:21,420 --> 01:41:25,020
Dave Jones: Yeah, for sure.
Yeah. I mean, it's everything

1576
01:41:25,020 --> 01:41:29,550
becomes more difficult. When you
have the higher the volume, the

1577
01:41:29,910 --> 01:41:32,280
volume goes up, everything gets
everything gets slower,

1578
01:41:32,490 --> 01:41:37,500
Adam Curry: what I prefer, so I
don't think Spotify or anchor

1579
01:41:38,010 --> 01:41:41,010
auto submit to Apple anymore,
does it? I don't think that I

1580
01:41:41,010 --> 01:41:45,540
think they I think Apple turned
that off. I'm not sure. But I

1581
01:41:45,540 --> 01:41:47,460
think so. I honestly

1582
01:41:47,460 --> 01:41:50,790
Dave Jones: don't know, I have a
Spotify for podcasts account. So

1583
01:41:50,790 --> 01:41:53,460
I can, you know, test with it
and that kind of thing. And I

1584
01:41:53,460 --> 01:41:57,270
really, sometimes it's very
confusing exactly what that

1585
01:41:57,270 --> 01:42:01,050
interaction is. I don't think
it's automatic. But I also don't

1586
01:42:01,050 --> 01:42:05,040
really fully understand how it's
happening, either. I don't know

1587
01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:07,170
that I would I really wish I
could answer that question.

1588
01:42:07,530 --> 01:42:09,720
Adam Curry: Because you know,
from what I mean, look, Apple

1589
01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:12,600
just shouldn't just allow
anything to be put in. I mean,

1590
01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:15,150
somehow, this show magically
appeared there completely

1591
01:42:15,150 --> 01:42:17,700
illegally. We haven't made a big
deal out of it. But lawsuits are

1592
01:42:17,700 --> 01:42:22,380
coming. But you kind of have to
have an Apple account. That's

1593
01:42:22,380 --> 01:42:24,960
been that's been one of the
biggest issues for me is that's

1594
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:27,870
the that was the on ramp to
podcasting. So I don't want to

1595
01:42:27,870 --> 01:42:31,470
be too much of an apple, like
unwrap the podcast, but I'd much

1596
01:42:31,500 --> 01:42:36,600
more preferred to say, Oh, you
go with anchor? Well, you're in

1597
01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:40,680
a big cesspool. And maybe you
can find that on Spotify. But

1598
01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:44,010
you don't get automatically
added to the index, go ahead and

1599
01:42:44,010 --> 01:42:49,710
be with those guys. Or go to one
of 15 other hosts who are

1600
01:42:49,710 --> 01:42:53,490
professional, then either use
pod ping to save the world from

1601
01:42:53,490 --> 01:42:58,260
global warming. Or have you
know, or our trusted partners,

1602
01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:01,500
because they've been working
with us and Oh, guess what, they

1603
01:43:01,500 --> 01:43:03,960
actually support the whole
project. So they don't want to

1604
01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:09,510
ruin it either. And I think it's
actually an opportunity to show

1605
01:43:09,510 --> 01:43:13,860
people that Spotify is not the
way and anchor is not the way

1606
01:43:14,970 --> 01:43:16,830
Dave Jones: you know, I've been
having this really weird thought

1607
01:43:16,830 --> 01:43:24,570
lately. If you look at what's
going on right now, Spotify is

1608
01:43:26,040 --> 01:43:29,160
the biggest moves Spotify is
making they have changed

1609
01:43:29,160 --> 01:43:33,120
Stratasys the money dried up,
they have they have become begun

1610
01:43:33,120 --> 01:43:38,610
to morph. They are they are no
longer doing a rapid rate of

1611
01:43:38,610 --> 01:43:42,090
exclusive deals. No, of course
starting to pour a lot of money

1612
01:43:42,090 --> 01:43:49,860
into megaphone and they're open,
not open their. Their their RSS

1613
01:43:49,860 --> 01:43:50,910
based solution.

1614
01:43:51,150 --> 01:43:54,030
Adam Curry: Yeah, this is all
they have left is to be the best

1615
01:43:54,030 --> 01:43:54,750
partner.

1616
01:43:55,440 --> 01:43:58,590
Dave Jones: Right? And so what
and they do pass through the if

1617
01:43:58,590 --> 01:44:02,790
you compare that to the other,
you know, chumps getting into

1618
01:44:02,790 --> 01:44:06,930
this like, like Twitter and
YouTube. Spotify compared to

1619
01:44:06,930 --> 01:44:10,140
them is actually like a bastion
of openness.

1620
01:44:11,430 --> 01:44:12,750
Adam Curry: Yes, it's true. I'm

1621
01:44:12,750 --> 01:44:14,940
Dave Jones: not I'm not even I'm
not even really miffed at

1622
01:44:14,940 --> 01:44:19,590
Spotify anymore. I'm miffed at
at anchor for Spotify for

1623
01:44:19,590 --> 01:44:27,000
podcast is FP miffed at them for
just the garbage? But I mean,

1624
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:30,570
it's like Spotify in general,
they're actually pretty good

1625
01:44:30,570 --> 01:44:35,220
becoming more and more decent
all the time. I'm looking at

1626
01:44:35,220 --> 01:44:41,250
this. So we have right now our
our Linode our database Linode

1627
01:44:41,250 --> 01:44:44,760
cost $96 A month. Thank you
Linode for going up on your

1628
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:50,520
prices 20%. We'll be upgrading
that to the 32 gigs of RAM

1629
01:44:50,520 --> 01:44:56,700
version four, which will get
take us to $192 a month. So

1630
01:44:56,700 --> 01:44:58,710
that's going to be the upgrade
that I'm going to do tomorrow.

1631
01:44:58,860 --> 01:45:02,220
Public Service Announcement
database upgrade starts at 6pm

1632
01:45:02,220 --> 01:45:05,130
on Saturday at 6pm Central time,

1633
01:45:05,310 --> 01:45:08,040
Adam Curry: be on standby be on
standby.

1634
01:45:08,790 --> 01:45:12,390
Dave Jones: Buckle your seat,
your safety belts. And, you

1635
01:45:12,390 --> 01:45:16,080
know, sit down because we there
will be no problems. But we may

1636
01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:19,830
have problems. Yeah. But anyway,
that's that's I mean, that's and

1637
01:45:19,830 --> 01:45:24,750
it's in no small part thanks to
anchors stream Oh, John. So you

1638
01:45:24,750 --> 01:45:27,210
know, I don't want to say that I
don't want to change anything

1639
01:45:27,210 --> 01:45:29,880
right now I think I want to
listen to people's inputs,

1640
01:45:29,880 --> 01:45:34,230
because I'm okay with, with just
continuing to ingest and purge

1641
01:45:34,230 --> 01:45:37,110
out things. But it really is
like,

1642
01:45:38,040 --> 01:45:40,830
Adam Curry: it's annoying, it's
annoying. It's annoying when

1643
01:45:40,830 --> 01:45:45,660
you, for me. It's highly
annoying. But then a bunch of

1644
01:45:45,660 --> 01:45:49,620
Swedes came in with a big swing
index, and bought all this stuff

1645
01:45:49,620 --> 01:45:52,890
and ruined a whole bunch of
stuff and ruined, polluted

1646
01:45:52,890 --> 01:45:57,900
indexes and poke this polluted
stuff with their greediness. And

1647
01:45:57,930 --> 01:46:02,460
now they're failing, I want to
be going, I'm trying not to, I

1648
01:46:02,460 --> 01:46:05,790
think it will solve itself, I
think anchor, they're going to

1649
01:46:05,790 --> 01:46:08,970
close that down as a free
resource one way or the other.

1650
01:46:08,970 --> 01:46:13,680
Because it's not free to them,
it's a drag on them, they cost

1651
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:17,400
the money, they get one
successful show, if they can't

1652
01:46:17,400 --> 01:46:21,450
monetize it. And this has always
been the downside of the podcast

1653
01:46:21,450 --> 01:46:24,540
hosting business, is when you
get a huge hit, you actually

1654
01:46:24,540 --> 01:46:28,920
start to lose money, there's all
kinds of issues, they I think

1655
01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:32,040
they're figuring that out, they
have to act like responsible

1656
01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:34,650
people with their pocketbook.
That's why you're seeing all

1657
01:46:34,650 --> 01:46:38,700
these changes, I really do not
believe in their business model,

1658
01:46:38,700 --> 01:46:42,600
you cannot monetize the network,
it does not work for you. You

1659
01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:46,290
can barely monetize podcast. Now
you have to have all of these

1660
01:46:47,670 --> 01:46:53,280
labels and, and an approval
ratings for brand safe. I mean,

1661
01:46:53,490 --> 01:46:58,950
it is not it is a decentralized
medium Megyn Kelly, and Glenn

1662
01:46:58,950 --> 01:47:04,590
Beck and, and when and if it
happens, Tucker Carlson, they

1663
01:47:04,590 --> 01:47:09,330
will have advertisers that will
support their audience and their

1664
01:47:09,330 --> 01:47:14,340
podcast. And you can hear them
you can hit these are not BMW, I

1665
01:47:14,340 --> 01:47:19,620
mean, one of them might get a
BMW, but I doubt it. That's the

1666
01:47:19,620 --> 01:47:22,800
type of advertising that works.
When you're a network, this is

1667
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:26,190
what you need to survive with
the overhead of A, I've been

1668
01:47:26,190 --> 01:47:30,300
through this, I've done it and
failed at it spent $65 million

1669
01:47:30,690 --> 01:47:35,010
of other people's money doing
it. It does not work in the

1670
01:47:35,010 --> 01:47:39,180
advertising business, to do it
on an individual level, whether

1671
01:47:39,180 --> 01:47:44,430
you have a rep or not to go out
and get advertisers who will

1672
01:47:44,430 --> 01:47:46,950
work with you. And a lot of
that's going to be host read,

1673
01:47:47,160 --> 01:47:51,960
there is total survivability in
that. But it's not going to be

1674
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:55,920
at the network level, they are
going to fail. And they just

1675
01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:59,910
haven't figured it out yet. But
I can see the sweat on his bald

1676
01:47:59,910 --> 01:48:00,390
head.

1677
01:48:04,410 --> 01:48:07,260
Dave Jones: Now that's coming
from the Holy Gospel robe.

1678
01:48:08,340 --> 01:48:12,780
That's got a little kick to it.
Yeah,

1679
01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:16,290
Adam Curry: it's it's, it's a
foregone conclusion. This is why

1680
01:48:16,290 --> 01:48:21,090
I don't believe in in Dai, or
any of this stuff. I've been

1681
01:48:21,090 --> 01:48:24,810
around, I've been around, I've
been in the ad game all of my

1682
01:48:24,810 --> 01:48:30,780
professional life. I know how it
works, they want control. If you

1683
01:48:30,780 --> 01:48:34,440
can't do it on a network by
basis, there's no control over

1684
01:48:34,440 --> 01:48:35,340
the content.

1685
01:48:37,440 --> 01:48:40,890
Dave Jones: The only the only
thing that I think will be a cat

1686
01:48:40,890 --> 01:48:47,610
would be a casualty of Not, not
auto ingesting anchor and

1687
01:48:47,610 --> 01:48:51,990
instead making them making
people submit their feeds

1688
01:48:52,050 --> 01:48:56,820
individually. The only one, the
only casualty I can think of are

1689
01:48:56,820 --> 01:49:01,710
the statistics. So like
Spurlock's monthly statistics,

1690
01:49:02,940 --> 01:49:05,910
you know, because he makes those
charts and everything. But but

1691
01:49:05,910 --> 01:49:07,770
the thing is, I think the
statistics would actually be

1692
01:49:07,770 --> 01:49:12,240
better. Because you're you're
getting, getting rid of what the

1693
01:49:12,240 --> 01:49:14,490
way it looks right now, if you
look at those statistics, the

1694
01:49:14,490 --> 01:49:19,080
way it looks, is you have
Spotify for podcasters. This

1695
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:23,040
like 10 miles above everybody
else. And the only reason it's

1696
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:26,580
like that is because of the 10
to one junk ratio. If you get

1697
01:49:26,580 --> 01:49:30,450
rid of that and bring that back
down to earth, then you have a

1698
01:49:30,450 --> 01:49:33,600
chart which you have is like
right now it's like Spotify way

1699
01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:37,260
up here. And then you have a
bunch of like bed of squiggly

1700
01:49:37,260 --> 01:49:40,320
lines at the bottom that you
can't make any sense out of. If

1701
01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:43,230
you bring that down to earth,
then you'll have a more

1702
01:49:43,230 --> 01:49:45,870
realistic chart that looks more
normal.

1703
01:49:45,900 --> 01:49:49,500
Adam Curry: I would actually say
you get a lot of benefit out of

1704
01:49:49,500 --> 01:49:53,700
working with Spurlock on that. I
mean, how can we figure out what

1705
01:49:53,730 --> 01:49:56,670
what's what's worthy or not
based upon? I mean, there's a

1706
01:49:56,670 --> 01:49:58,830
whole there's many many things
to do

1707
01:49:59,460 --> 01:50:02,820
Dave Jones: and Just feel like
data. Yeah, you're right. You're

1708
01:50:02,820 --> 01:50:03,060
right.

1709
01:50:03,780 --> 01:50:06,360
Adam Curry: I'm right. Oh, man,
how come I'm not married to you?

1710
01:50:09,420 --> 01:50:10,770
I'm never right here at home.

1711
01:50:11,700 --> 01:50:13,350
Dave Jones: No, no, you're

1712
01:50:16,260 --> 01:50:17,550
Adam Curry: absolutely right.

1713
01:50:17,940 --> 01:50:19,590
Dave Jones: No, you're right. It
should go back to the other

1714
01:50:19,590 --> 01:50:19,920
wall.

1715
01:50:23,850 --> 01:50:27,390
Adam Curry: You know, I bet I
feel the same about Mackey. The

1716
01:50:27,390 --> 01:50:31,350
way you feel about this, you
know, Mackey, the audio company,

1717
01:50:31,350 --> 01:50:35,820
a company. Yeah, so they come
out with a Mackie F LZ. Creator,

1718
01:50:36,540 --> 01:50:41,940
which is, this is a beautiful
honkin piece of gear. You know,

1719
01:50:41,940 --> 01:50:45,330
it's very much like the road
caster, except it's got a huge

1720
01:50:45,330 --> 01:50:48,720
screen. I mean, it's, it's a,
it's a wanna have type thing.

1721
01:50:48,720 --> 01:50:51,330
You know, it's like, look at
look at this is this box is

1722
01:50:51,330 --> 01:50:55,140
beautiful, I love it. I'm
excited by it. It has processing

1723
01:50:55,140 --> 01:50:58,650
and has mix minus and all this
stuff. And it's about the same

1724
01:50:58,650 --> 01:51:02,250
price. And, you know, and then I
just look at the specs, I think,

1725
01:51:02,580 --> 01:51:08,220
you losers. I would I well, I
have said many times, I will

1726
01:51:08,220 --> 01:51:11,760
consult for free, call me, I'll
tell you what you need. They're

1727
01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:16,710
missing some key essential
things once again, in this

1728
01:51:16,710 --> 01:51:20,100
beautiful box, I'm sure they can
fix it with software, you know,

1729
01:51:20,100 --> 01:51:22,590
they're just missing some
essential things. It's so

1730
01:51:22,620 --> 01:51:23,970
unbelievable.

1731
01:51:24,540 --> 01:51:28,650
Dave Jones: The DLZ creator know
who this thing's pretty told

1732
01:51:28,650 --> 01:51:32,040
Adam Curry: you. It's beautiful.
You know, but here's the here's,

1733
01:51:32,070 --> 01:51:34,050
here's the two things right off
the bat, they're missing.

1734
01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:38,880
There's no processing over the
total signal. I mean, if you

1735
01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:43,470
can't process your your output
signal, then what are you doing?

1736
01:51:43,890 --> 01:51:47,580
I mean, that's stupid. That's
just not not even thinking. And

1737
01:51:47,580 --> 01:51:51,060
then the little things, the
Liturgy of the little things.

1738
01:51:51,420 --> 01:51:54,780
Like when I when I cracked the
mic on my road caster, my

1739
01:51:54,780 --> 01:51:59,640
speakers in the studio go out
they mute. This is the type of

1740
01:51:59,640 --> 01:52:03,360
things Ah, yeah,

1741
01:52:03,419 --> 01:52:05,639
Dave Jones: man, let me guess
they sent you a sample box.

1742
01:52:05,669 --> 01:52:08,009
Adam Curry: And I wish they had
I wish they had

1743
01:52:09,210 --> 01:52:11,850
Dave Jones: back at this thing
as guests so many connections on

1744
01:52:11,850 --> 01:52:11,970
it.

1745
01:52:12,960 --> 01:52:17,220
Adam Curry: And they only have
one USB where I mean, for as

1746
01:52:17,250 --> 01:52:22,050
again, I've never been called by
road either. I think they copied

1747
01:52:22,050 --> 01:52:26,850
a lot of my stuff. And I hope
they did. Because I got it to

1748
01:52:26,850 --> 01:52:29,970
market quicker. I don't mind.
I'm using it. I'm happy. I'm so

1749
01:52:29,970 --> 01:52:33,840
happy. I'm looking at that duo
near the little cute one. But I

1750
01:52:33,840 --> 01:52:35,730
want that one to just I want to
have it.

1751
01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:38,520
Dave Jones: You don't even get
to use it. You just want to have

1752
01:52:38,520 --> 01:52:39,360
it again.

1753
01:52:39,390 --> 01:52:42,480
Adam Curry: Exactly. I just want
to have it to use it sometimes.

1754
01:52:42,480 --> 01:52:44,280
You know, if you'd like using
this one today.

1755
01:52:44,760 --> 01:52:47,880
Dave Jones: You know, everybody
on the website using the Mackay

1756
01:52:47,880 --> 01:52:49,890
deals the creators so happy.

1757
01:52:50,490 --> 01:52:52,920
Adam Curry: It's gonna be great.
It's gonna be fantastic.

1758
01:52:54,600 --> 01:52:55,680
Dave Jones: He Fetty there's a

1759
01:52:56,190 --> 01:53:00,000
Adam Curry: shout out to to our
French connection for podcast.

1760
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:01,770
data.org That's pretty cool.

1761
01:53:02,190 --> 01:53:05,130
Dave Jones: Yeah, thanks, Ben.
That's pretty rad. I'm gonna he

1762
01:53:05,160 --> 01:53:08,370
sent me a request for some stuff
that I'm going to fulfill. I'd

1763
01:53:08,370 --> 01:53:09,480
liked it because get him.

1764
01:53:09,900 --> 01:53:12,390
Adam Curry: You know, it's like,
I'm not going to download our

1765
01:53:12,390 --> 01:53:17,130
database and run SQL queries.
I'm not going to do that. Could

1766
01:53:17,130 --> 01:53:24,030
I Yeah, job. Like, and it's not
really, I'm not super interested

1767
01:53:24,090 --> 01:53:27,210
in all that. But just sometimes
I like Oh, I'm just gonna play

1768
01:53:27,210 --> 01:53:30,660
around with this. And just, you
know, learn some stuff. It was

1769
01:53:30,660 --> 01:53:33,120
really cool. I like it. I mean,
it's just it was a nice addition

1770
01:53:33,120 --> 01:53:34,470
really appreciate him doing
that.

1771
01:53:35,490 --> 01:53:41,670
Dave Jones: It made me realize
that I need to go back and put

1772
01:53:41,670 --> 01:53:48,630
some more bits of metadata into
the weekly dump. Because we like

1773
01:53:48,630 --> 01:53:54,090
there's some stuff that would
help been on that side. And if I

1774
01:53:54,090 --> 01:53:57,510
can just throw in a little bit
extra data for him to

1775
01:53:58,320 --> 01:54:01,200
Adam Curry: tell me what what
you're doing in the near future.

1776
01:54:01,200 --> 01:54:03,870
So I know you're upgrading the
database. So that's, that's

1777
01:54:03,870 --> 01:54:07,260
gonna keep you busy for a week
at least just upgrade tweaking

1778
01:54:07,260 --> 01:54:09,300
all that stuff. What else can we
help you with?

1779
01:54:11,190 --> 01:54:14,010
Dave Jones: Yeah, okay. So,
database database upgrade

1780
01:54:14,010 --> 01:54:19,530
tomorrow. That is going to be I
can just run through the process

1781
01:54:19,530 --> 01:54:25,350
real quick. So at 6pm Central
Time, tomorrow, I will, what I'm

1782
01:54:25,350 --> 01:54:31,560
going to here's what I'm going
to do. I'm going to make a snap

1783
01:54:32,520 --> 01:54:40,050
schema, I'm going to restore the
database from backup from the

1784
01:54:40,050 --> 01:54:43,650
nightly snapshot. So I'm going
to restore that to a new VM

1785
01:54:43,680 --> 01:54:44,820
Whoa, man.

1786
01:54:46,320 --> 01:54:48,420
Adam Curry: You can you stream
doing while you're doing this?

1787
01:54:48,420 --> 01:54:51,600
Can you do a screencast stream
it live just so we can enjoy

1788
01:54:51,630 --> 01:54:53,190
watching this. That's so cool.

1789
01:54:53,549 --> 01:54:57,149
Dave Jones: That's actually kind
of funny to think about. If it

1790
01:54:57,149 --> 01:55:00,269
blows up as if it would be
horribly It'd be terrible. have

1791
01:55:00,269 --> 01:55:03,719
that documented, I will, I will
consider that that's actually

1792
01:55:03,719 --> 01:55:05,159
kind of fun. Yeah,

1793
01:55:05,190 --> 01:55:09,090
Adam Curry: one of those, one of
the Alex's feeds.

1794
01:55:09,630 --> 01:55:13,680
Dave Jones: A lot of y'all guys
do thing, no agenda tube last

1795
01:55:13,680 --> 01:55:18,690
year. So we'll restore it from
nightly backup into a new VM,

1796
01:55:19,650 --> 01:55:24,390
turn off all of the rights to
the database. So turn off all

1797
01:55:24,390 --> 01:55:29,640
the aggregators, any shut down,
all the cron jobs, every

1798
01:55:29,670 --> 01:55:32,100
everything that's running that
could perhaps write to the

1799
01:55:32,100 --> 01:55:38,370
database, turn all those off, so
that it becomes very low, low

1800
01:55:38,370 --> 01:55:41,610
write traffic, there will still
be writes coming in through the

1801
01:55:41,610 --> 01:55:47,790
API. through the, through some
of the API calls, I'm going to

1802
01:55:47,790 --> 01:55:57,570
flip a switch a flag in the API
config file, that will tell it

1803
01:55:57,570 --> 01:56:02,190
there's a database upgrade in
progress. When that happens, any

1804
01:56:02,190 --> 01:56:07,890
rights coming in through the API
will be only logged. They won't

1805
01:56:07,890 --> 01:56:11,070
be actually written to the
database, but it will, but it

1806
01:56:11,070 --> 01:56:16,830
will hand back they will hand
back the appropriate response to

1807
01:56:16,830 --> 01:56:21,750
the caller. So that they don't
know the difference. Whoa. So

1808
01:56:21,750 --> 01:56:27,390
then, then, as soon as as soon
as that happens, I will flip the

1809
01:56:27,390 --> 01:56:35,040
API over to point to the new to
the temporary database that I've

1810
01:56:35,040 --> 01:56:41,880
just restored. And then resize
the current database, which will

1811
01:56:41,880 --> 01:56:45,630
take about 20 minutes. I think I
timed it the other day with a

1812
01:56:45,630 --> 01:56:51,120
test 28 to 30 minutes, somewhere
in that timeframe. It will, it

1813
01:56:51,120 --> 01:56:55,740
will reboot and resize the
database. Then I'll flip the API

1814
01:56:55,740 --> 01:57:01,380
back to the live database as the
source and if everything checks

1815
01:57:01,380 --> 01:57:03,000
out, turn everything back on.
Oh, man,

1816
01:57:03,179 --> 01:57:04,499
Adam Curry: what are you doing
this? What time?

1817
01:57:05,370 --> 01:57:06,900
Dave Jones: 6pm Central
tomorrow.

1818
01:57:06,929 --> 01:57:08,849
Adam Curry: 6pm Central, you
know, I'm gonna do at 6pm

1819
01:57:08,849 --> 01:57:09,449
Central.

1820
01:57:10,320 --> 01:57:13,020
Dave Jones: I'm gonna give rise
to the API. No, I'm gonna

1821
01:57:13,050 --> 01:57:15,090
Adam Curry: I'm gonna reboot our
node just to make it all

1822
01:57:15,090 --> 01:57:16,710
complete. No, God.

1823
01:57:17,940 --> 01:57:23,970
Dave Jones: Are you trying to
kill me? I mean, like, I needed

1824
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:27,690
any drinks. Any alcohol for this
or something? Wow. No, I mean,

1825
01:57:27,750 --> 01:57:33,240
this is this is very much fino
show moving stuff around and

1826
01:57:33,240 --> 01:57:37,860
nightlights? I don't know. Well,
we'll see how it goes. We'll

1827
01:57:37,860 --> 01:57:40,380
see. I guess so that that'll be
the database. Okay. That's what

1828
01:57:40,380 --> 01:57:43,290
I've been doing the last couple
of weeks is just doing test runs

1829
01:57:43,290 --> 01:57:47,220
of these things to make sure
that the to make sure that I

1830
01:57:47,220 --> 01:57:50,280
understand how long each of
these phases is going to last

1831
01:57:50,310 --> 01:57:53,970
right. There's a possibility
that during the switch that

1832
01:57:53,970 --> 01:58:01,470
during the resize that the API
could return what do we want to

1833
01:58:01,470 --> 01:58:09,450
say unsound data?
misinformation? They may be

1834
01:58:09,450 --> 01:58:14,100
beginning to report fake news.
Emission disinformation, Matt

1835
01:58:14,100 --> 01:58:16,320
MDM, Mal mountain and Mal
information.

1836
01:58:16,320 --> 01:58:18,900
Adam Curry: So what can what can
everybody do to help alleviate

1837
01:58:18,900 --> 01:58:22,230
less rights? Everybody? No.
Right. Don't write no letters.

1838
01:58:22,380 --> 01:58:27,090
Dave Jones: No. Alt rights. We
can? No, we there's nothing to

1839
01:58:27,090 --> 01:58:30,840
do I think except just be aware
of that for a couple of hours

1840
01:58:30,840 --> 01:58:35,460
tomorrow from six to roughly
question mark. There may be

1841
01:58:35,550 --> 01:58:37,830
misinformation coming from the
database. So

1842
01:58:37,860 --> 01:58:41,370
Adam Curry: Okay. Wow. All
right. I was like, You know

1843
01:58:41,370 --> 01:58:43,770
what, I'm gonna pray for you.
That's what I'm gonna do.

1844
01:58:46,050 --> 01:58:48,570
Dave Jones: Thank you, brothers.
That actually would be more

1845
01:58:48,570 --> 01:58:49,920
helpful than anything I'm doing.

1846
01:58:52,410 --> 01:58:54,000
Unknown: Oh, man. Oh,

1847
01:58:54,120 --> 01:58:56,250
Dave Jones: roasted API
hallucinations. Yes. There you

1848
01:58:56,250 --> 01:59:01,410
go. Exactly. So that's that's
that but then after that I'm

1849
01:59:01,410 --> 01:59:04,380
working on a there's a thing
that Oscar has been asking for

1850
01:59:04,380 --> 01:59:07,920
for a while that I'm going to do
I'm going to finish up I've

1851
01:59:07,920 --> 01:59:12,210
already started it. But then I'm
going to finish that up. It's a

1852
01:59:12,450 --> 01:59:16,740
an immediate parse. So what he
said was, you know, some

1853
01:59:16,770 --> 01:59:20,460
sometimes a feed is just not
getting the is not getting an

1854
01:59:20,460 --> 01:59:25,440
episode in a timely fashion. And
there can be a lot of reasons

1855
01:59:25,440 --> 01:59:28,920
for that I don't want to get
into and there's different we

1856
01:59:28,920 --> 01:59:31,530
have priority flags and all this
kind of stuff. Things can just

1857
01:59:31,530 --> 01:59:35,250
get out of whack. So he said,
you know, what would really be

1858
01:59:35,250 --> 01:59:40,350
nice is if, if I could send if I
could call an API endpoint that

1859
01:59:40,350 --> 01:59:44,040
would give me they would, they
would immediately parse the

1860
01:59:44,040 --> 01:59:49,230
feed, extracted latest episodes
and given back to me like the

1861
01:59:49,230 --> 01:59:55,500
prop. The problem with that is
that the API the language that a

1862
01:59:55,740 --> 02:00:00,810
API is written in PHP, the
aggregators are written in node

1863
02:00:00,870 --> 02:00:05,160
in the polars. The feed polls
are written in rust. All the

1864
02:00:05,160 --> 02:00:09,270
code that does polling and
aggregation is all written in

1865
02:00:09,270 --> 02:00:14,550
Rust in JavaScript, so I can't.
And there's no PHP for that. So

1866
02:00:14,550 --> 02:00:17,070
what I had to do is go back to
the freedom controller,

1867
02:00:17,130 --> 02:00:20,160
Adam Curry: oh, my phone. Wait a
minute, we've gone back to the

1868
02:00:20,160 --> 02:00:23,100
freedom control. This is an
emergency now we're getting the

1869
02:00:23,100 --> 02:00:26,280
bottom of the barrel, right
glass, right.

1870
02:00:27,360 --> 02:00:31,350
Dave Jones: And to go back to
the frame Silla and forklift, a,

1871
02:00:31,530 --> 02:00:37,530
an old aggregator, some old
aggregator code out of that, to,

1872
02:00:37,710 --> 02:00:43,560
to get a template for this
thing. So because because PHP

1873
02:00:43,560 --> 02:00:48,060
uses a simple XML library. So
anyway, well, that that'll

1874
02:00:48,060 --> 02:00:52,680
happen, but it was more work
than I'd hoped for. So that

1875
02:00:52,680 --> 02:00:55,890
there's that that's that's in
the in the works.

1876
02:00:55,920 --> 02:00:59,580
Adam Curry: Wow. Oh, man. Well,
you know, I know it's gonna be

1877
02:00:59,580 --> 02:01:04,230
fine. You have worked with you
for 14 years now.

1878
02:01:04,500 --> 02:01:06,270
Dave Jones: 14, long, Longton

1879
02:01:07,110 --> 02:01:10,920
Adam Curry: and, and downtime is
just not a thing. I'm not too

1880
02:01:10,920 --> 02:01:13,860
worried about I understand what
you're doing. I understand the

1881
02:01:13,860 --> 02:01:16,080
complexity of it. But I know you
think these things through.

1882
02:01:16,680 --> 02:01:19,590
It'll be fine. You'll work it
out. And I hope everyone

1883
02:01:19,590 --> 02:01:20,910
appreciates what you do.

1884
02:01:21,720 --> 02:01:23,700
Dave Jones: Where did Daniel J
lewis go, by the way?

1885
02:01:25,170 --> 02:01:29,220
Adam Curry: Oh, that's ha. She
was he was

1886
02:01:30,360 --> 02:01:33,810
Dave Jones: he was working on a
cross app comments thing and

1887
02:01:33,810 --> 02:01:36,120
then he just poof just
disappeared.

1888
02:01:37,560 --> 02:01:41,160
Adam Curry: Daniel J. Cole and
Daniel J. Lewis. Checking please

1889
02:01:41,160 --> 02:01:46,530
check in at the front desk. Want
to make sure you're okay. Let's

1890
02:01:46,530 --> 02:01:49,020
thank some people. They were
running behind. I want to get

1891
02:01:49,020 --> 02:01:51,300
you out back to a you had the
rest of the day off.

1892
02:01:51,870 --> 02:01:54,600
Dave Jones: Yeah, man. Oh, nice.
Memorial Day weekend, by the

1893
02:01:54,600 --> 02:01:58,080
Adam Curry: way. Thank you,
Eric. p p for your heli pad for

1894
02:01:58,710 --> 02:02:01,140
for start nine. I'm gonna try
loading that up.

1895
02:02:01,890 --> 02:02:03,390
Dave Jones: What is this? What
are you talking about? You know,

1896
02:02:03,390 --> 02:02:03,540
what's

1897
02:02:03,570 --> 02:02:05,970
Adam Curry: your start nine is
the professional version of

1898
02:02:05,970 --> 02:02:09,150
Umbral. Yeah, right? I got one
of those. Remember, they sent me

1899
02:02:09,150 --> 02:02:15,990
a box. Yeah. So we ported heli
pad to the Start OS OS that was

1900
02:02:15,990 --> 02:02:18,750
not informed of this. Yeah.
That's the problem with open

1901
02:02:18,750 --> 02:02:22,860
source. Oh, this is awesome.
Yeah, it is super awesome.

1902
02:02:23,190 --> 02:02:25,800
Because that I mean, that thing
is stable. I'd have it running

1903
02:02:25,800 --> 02:02:29,370
for I don't know, like a month
now. That thing's running like a

1904
02:02:29,370 --> 02:02:29,910
champ.

1905
02:02:30,540 --> 02:02:32,610
Dave Jones: Where's the guy? He
said? He said he'll send me the

1906
02:02:32,610 --> 02:02:34,290
package. He sent me the package.
Hey,

1907
02:02:34,350 --> 02:02:36,900
Adam Curry: yeah, love your
package, man. Send me the

1908
02:02:36,900 --> 02:02:39,900
package. Love your package. Let
me thanks some people who've

1909
02:02:39,900 --> 02:02:43,920
been boosting during the show.
Curtis Peterson 10,000 SATs

1910
02:02:43,920 --> 02:02:46,800
Thank you Pete Curtis. Sam
wavelet we thanked him earlier

1911
02:02:46,800 --> 02:02:50,130
with this 50,000 SATs gotta love
the music biz. Mike Newman

1912
02:02:50,250 --> 02:02:56,550
33,333 says hey CB CT litter was
barking because she wanted in

1913
02:02:56,550 --> 02:03:00,060
the studio. I can't believe
you've never done that. And

1914
02:03:00,180 --> 02:03:03,750
there's air TT says agenda to
start nine node have a diversion

1915
02:03:03,750 --> 02:03:06,930
of helipad app and he gave me
the gave me the GitHub so I'm

1916
02:03:06,930 --> 02:03:10,440
going to going to try and load
that up maybe a weekend project

1917
02:03:10,770 --> 02:03:16,920
10101 from blueberry. We are
three weeks deep into using the

1918
02:03:16,920 --> 02:03:20,430
time splits oh there you go.
lavish and I have been able to

1919
02:03:20,430 --> 02:03:23,100
feature about three songs during
each intermission on one

1920
02:03:23,100 --> 02:03:26,190
additional song for the playout
music I have concerned that we

1921
02:03:26,190 --> 02:03:29,610
won't be able to do this live as
we cut together a 15 minute mix

1922
02:03:29,610 --> 02:03:37,860
featuring all the music I would
say talk to one way would be it

1923
02:03:37,860 --> 02:03:41,940
would be is to combine the value
blocks I'm just off the top I

1924
02:03:41,940 --> 02:03:44,790
had talked to Steven B about
that that's a good problem to

1925
02:03:44,790 --> 02:03:51,330
have I would say another
blueberry 6666 Lorien from bowl

1926
02:03:51,330 --> 02:03:55,050
after bowl nailed it and this
was one of my new favorite ISOs

1927
02:03:55,920 --> 02:03:58,860
Okay, I'm gonna make me play
something that I might regret

1928
02:03:58,860 --> 02:04:00,450
regret was happening here

1929
02:04:00,450 --> 02:04:03,360
Unknown: Oh tubing is a mental
illness. Chasing numbers is a

1930
02:04:03,360 --> 02:04:07,590
mental illness. Trying to build
your following is a mental

1931
02:04:07,620 --> 02:04:08,610
illness

1932
02:04:11,940 --> 02:04:14,580
Dave Jones: that was worth it. I
kind of like yeah, that was

1933
02:04:14,580 --> 02:04:14,850
worth

1934
02:04:14,850 --> 02:04:17,310
Adam Curry: it. That was kind of
worth it. How long is that

1935
02:04:17,310 --> 02:04:18,480
thing? Can you say the end of
show?

1936
02:04:18,540 --> 02:04:21,420
Unknown: Oh, tubing is a mental
illness. Chasing numbers is a

1937
02:04:21,420 --> 02:04:24,870
mental illness. If I stop it
they're trying to build your

1938
02:04:24,870 --> 02:04:27,480
following is a mental illness

1939
02:04:27,509 --> 02:04:29,039
Adam Curry: kind of the last

1940
02:04:31,560 --> 02:04:34,470
Unknown: chasing numbers is a
mental illness. Okay, trying.

1941
02:04:35,220 --> 02:04:37,950
Adam Curry: Almost had a home. I
just got a set of cute. There we

1942
02:04:37,950 --> 02:04:46,170
go. Okay, set some crack. 222
collaborative ISO magic boost.

1943
02:04:46,470 --> 02:04:49,440
No idea what you're talking
about. Oh, that's, that's Sorry,

1944
02:04:50,070 --> 02:04:55,110
Sir Brian of London. 31,948.
That's his 1948 Israeli booths.

1945
02:04:55,200 --> 02:04:59,400
I can't hear you but I'm sending
my booths live anyway. That's we

1946
02:04:59,430 --> 02:05:01,350
always say oh, you He's just not
listening, but he's sending it

1947
02:05:01,350 --> 02:05:09,480
anyway. Okay. Rustic club, brush
Calavera 3000 SATs boosting in

1948
02:05:09,480 --> 02:05:14,490
my spandex. Okay. Nathan But
Nathan gathright just came in

1949
02:05:14,490 --> 02:05:18,330
with a short row of ducks in
ideal world fountain steno FM

1950
02:05:18,330 --> 02:05:21,150
etc will be able to post
transcripts back to the host for

1951
02:05:21,150 --> 02:05:24,450
them to include in the feed if
they want. Failing that sharing

1952
02:05:24,450 --> 02:05:26,640
them back to the index as a shim
would be a great way for

1953
02:05:26,640 --> 02:05:30,090
podcasts and 2.0 apps to share
only when the podcaster hasn't

1954
02:05:30,090 --> 02:05:33,180
provided one. I liked the idea
of sending it back to the host

1955
02:05:33,900 --> 02:05:39,210
to be quite honest about it. But
yeah, stuff for hosting people

1956
02:05:39,210 --> 02:05:46,560
to work out most likely. feifer
with 6666 lit boosting through

1957
02:05:46,560 --> 02:05:49,740
the index fantastic. I see it
indeed came through the the

1958
02:05:49,740 --> 02:05:53,220
index tone record with a short
row of ducks Friday fun time.

1959
02:05:54,570 --> 02:05:59,220
Martin from pod friend 4321
boosting for Dave sweet velvety

1960
02:05:59,220 --> 02:06:03,780
pre show voice. Yo Yeah. And of
course pre boosting for the

1961
02:06:03,780 --> 02:06:10,170
boost boost Dred Scott with
101010 There he goes. He's

1962
02:06:10,170 --> 02:06:13,740
Unknown: always there for us. 20
blades on the Impala

1963
02:06:13,740 --> 02:06:16,860
Adam Curry: ball. Paula booth.
Thank you chat after 3333

1964
02:06:16,860 --> 02:06:21,930
Another Martin with 1000 lit
squad ready. And those are the

1965
02:06:21,930 --> 02:06:25,830
pre show boosts and during the
show booster grams. I'm sure you

1966
02:06:25,830 --> 02:06:28,440
have a fine list to thank as
well.

1967
02:06:29,340 --> 02:06:33,450
Dave Jones: This fun list begins
with Marco Arment $500 Yo

1968
02:06:33,450 --> 02:06:35,220
Adam Curry: yo yo Bala

1969
02:06:35,430 --> 02:06:39,210
Unknown: Sakala 20 This Blaze on
I am Paula,

1970
02:06:39,240 --> 02:06:41,640
Adam Curry: we are keeping the
keeping the index clean for you

1971
02:06:41,640 --> 02:06:44,580
Marco taking out the trash.

1972
02:06:46,170 --> 02:06:48,900
Dave Jones: copy him this
morning. I really would like to

1973
02:06:48,900 --> 02:06:53,580
know if anybody else is seeing
these iTunes API five oh,

1974
02:06:53,580 --> 02:06:55,020
threes? Yeah. What's

1975
02:06:55,560 --> 02:06:57,120
Adam Curry: noticing what's the
503?

1976
02:06:57,660 --> 02:07:01,020
Dave Jones: It's just service
unavailable. Oops. Yeah, I've

1977
02:07:01,020 --> 02:07:04,320
been noticing this a lot. I
mean, it's never for a super

1978
02:07:04,320 --> 02:07:08,040
long amount of time. It'll be
this way for five minutes. And

1979
02:07:08,040 --> 02:07:11,670
then it'll free up and then
you'll get it for another five

1980
02:07:11,670 --> 02:07:15,330
minutes. I don't know. It's just
I've never seen this consistent

1981
02:07:15,720 --> 02:07:18,750
level of 503 is coming from
Apple before. So I don't know it

1982
02:07:18,750 --> 02:07:21,720
kind of makes me it weirds me
out a little bit. Something's

1983
02:07:21,720 --> 02:07:24,240
going on. Because it's been go.
This has been happening for a

1984
02:07:24,240 --> 02:07:27,600
couple of weeks now.
Interesting. Interesting. I

1985
02:07:27,600 --> 02:07:32,490
don't know. But but one of the
remember, people may not realize

1986
02:07:32,580 --> 02:07:37,170
or remember this, but we have.
We have clone endpoints for the

1987
02:07:37,170 --> 02:07:38,220
iTunes API.

1988
02:07:38,700 --> 02:07:41,130
Adam Curry: Yes. Which you can
just drop right in, right?

1989
02:07:41,640 --> 02:07:45,210
Dave Jones: Yeah. So you can do
an AB you can have. If your app

1990
02:07:45,210 --> 02:07:51,870
depends on the Apple API, Apple
lookup API, you can just replace

1991
02:07:51,870 --> 02:07:58,680
the host name of forgot what
it's like. I look up that iTunes

1992
02:07:58,680 --> 02:08:02,190
dot commerce out forgot what
just replace the host name with

1993
02:08:02,190 --> 02:08:06,390
API podcast. index.org. And it
just works. So you can have that

1994
02:08:06,390 --> 02:08:10,650
as a fallback if you get a 503
from Apple fallback to request

1995
02:08:10,650 --> 02:08:13,140
Yes, and when Apple's stuff
comes back online, you're good

1996
02:08:13,140 --> 02:08:14,070
to go. Flip back.

1997
02:08:14,430 --> 02:08:17,130
Adam Curry: How cool is that?
People that's worth a boost.

1998
02:08:17,670 --> 02:08:22,020
Dave Jones: That's free of
charge his right Buzzsprout $500

1999
02:08:22,050 --> 02:08:24,270
Oh man, I love Thank you. Thank

2000
02:08:24,270 --> 02:08:27,840
Unknown: you 20 blades on the
hem ball up

2001
02:08:27,840 --> 02:08:30,420
Adam Curry: next no doubt anchor
with $500

2002
02:08:31,260 --> 02:08:37,290
Dave Jones: This Did you see
both sprouts? Got some sort of

2003
02:08:37,320 --> 02:08:39,360
AI thing? I read?

2004
02:08:39,480 --> 02:08:42,180
Adam Curry: I would I would I
would expect no less from them.

2005
02:08:42,450 --> 02:08:44,790
Of course they got some kind of
what are they doing with the AI

2006
02:08:44,790 --> 02:08:45,180
thing?

2007
02:08:45,450 --> 02:08:48,480
Dave Jones: I don't know. I
don't know what what all it is

2008
02:08:48,480 --> 02:08:50,520
we need to we need to get more
information

2009
02:08:51,210 --> 02:08:55,350
Adam Curry: out. Okay, I am
excited now. I mean, I've been

2010
02:08:55,350 --> 02:08:58,440
waiting for what I mean because
it's show notes

2011
02:08:58,440 --> 02:09:02,070
Dave Jones: or something maybe
Buzzsprout ads co host AI

2012
02:09:03,090 --> 02:09:08,040
Adam Curry: Konos. It introduces
to Holon pod news has the has

2013
02:09:08,040 --> 02:09:11,760
the breakdown. Buzzsprout
introduces AI tool for your

2014
02:09:11,760 --> 02:09:17,700
podcasting workflow, which
podcast Buzzsprout is thrilled,

2015
02:09:17,850 --> 02:09:24,060
thrilled, thrilled, thrilled to
announce the launch of co host

2016
02:09:24,090 --> 02:09:27,510
AI a groundbreaking
groundbreaking tool that

2017
02:09:27,510 --> 02:09:31,680
seamlessly integrates AI into
your podcasting workflow. I'm 10

2018
02:09:31,710 --> 02:09:35,040
tantalized co host AI
automatically generates episode

2019
02:09:35,040 --> 02:09:38,250
titles, description chapter
markers and transcripts, freeing

2020
02:09:38,250 --> 02:09:42,510
podcasters from these often time
consuming tasks. I've tried I've

2021
02:09:42,510 --> 02:09:50,160
tried stuff like this I think
with most of these things, I

2022
02:09:50,160 --> 02:09:53,610
can't forget what it was I
tried. It gives you a summary

2023
02:09:53,640 --> 02:09:59,430
and then it does give you some
ideas for for Chapter points and

2024
02:09:59,430 --> 02:10:05,490
conscription. ans i personally,
I like to like to pay. Dr.

2025
02:10:05,490 --> 02:10:10,860
Scott. I like giving him 5% of
the of the value block. But I

2026
02:10:10,860 --> 02:10:14,430
can see where it can it can save
some people some time.

2027
02:10:14,700 --> 02:10:16,650
Congratulations. I mean, it
might be great.

2028
02:10:17,400 --> 02:10:19,920
Dave Jones: Oh, Nathan said they
did a partnership with a with

2029
02:10:19,920 --> 02:10:20,970
podium. Okay,

2030
02:10:20,999 --> 02:10:24,149
Adam Curry: that's probably
Yeah, I tried podium podium is

2031
02:10:24,149 --> 02:10:27,929
an AI company who are launching,
I think they want to launch into

2032
02:10:27,929 --> 02:10:33,659
all kinds of businesses. And so
they they're doing like, all

2033
02:10:33,659 --> 02:10:38,429
kinds of little things to show
off their wares. So that podium

2034
02:10:38,429 --> 02:10:39,869
is probably what I use,
actually.

2035
02:10:42,540 --> 02:10:45,900
Dave Jones: Thank you. Thank
you, Tom. And Kevin and

2036
02:10:45,900 --> 02:10:51,840
Buzzsprout. Appreciate that
Franco. Celerio $100. Nice.

2037
02:10:52,140 --> 02:10:55,860
Unknown: Thank you. Blades on I
am Paula. That's so

2038
02:10:55,860 --> 02:10:56,490
Adam Curry: cool.

2039
02:10:56,760 --> 02:10:58,980
Dave Jones: He says Dave, Adam,
and everyone that is involved in

2040
02:10:58,980 --> 02:11:01,710
podcasting. 2.0 Thank you for
your ideas, your work and your

2041
02:11:01,710 --> 02:11:02,310
support.

2042
02:11:02,430 --> 02:11:04,410
Adam Curry: No, thank you for
your support. We really

2043
02:11:04,410 --> 02:11:05,880
appreciate it, man. Thank you.

2044
02:11:06,360 --> 02:11:12,450
Dave Jones: Yeah, the lb. The LB
and swap over in cast ematic was

2045
02:11:12,750 --> 02:11:16,260
pretty much flawless. It was
smooth as it was.

2046
02:11:16,890 --> 02:11:18,900
Adam Curry: That's the only one
I can't test because I don't

2047
02:11:18,900 --> 02:11:21,780
have I don't have apple.

2048
02:11:22,500 --> 02:11:26,010
Dave Jones: Yeah, no, it worked
great. And so, I mean, as far as

2049
02:11:26,010 --> 02:11:32,670
I know, correct me if I'm wrong,
but I think we're almost done

2050
02:11:32,670 --> 02:11:34,230
with the LNP node.

2051
02:11:34,920 --> 02:11:40,620
Adam Curry: Oh, okay. If not, we
have a few more days or weeks, I

2052
02:11:40,620 --> 02:11:43,530
think before everyone shuts off
off if I'm not mistaken.

2053
02:11:43,800 --> 02:11:45,930
Dave Jones: I just paid the
Ellen pay bill this morning.

2054
02:11:47,130 --> 02:11:51,690
Adam Curry: Okay, so that might
be one of the last one. So we'll

2055
02:11:51,690 --> 02:11:56,670
see. Okay, so I was correct. I
did use it was podium. And I had

2056
02:11:56,670 --> 02:12:05,010
us podium on episode 123. It's
very, this very show. And now

2057
02:12:05,040 --> 02:12:08,250
let me just do a quick I'm
sorry. I know I'm taking a

2058
02:12:08,250 --> 02:12:13,380
little bit of time. What was the
what was the title of episode

2059
02:12:13,380 --> 02:12:18,150
123 Oh, God. Well, I should be
able to look that up real quick,

2060
02:12:18,150 --> 02:12:18,690
right? Yeah, yeah,

2061
02:12:18,690 --> 02:12:20,520
Dave Jones: I can actually get a
podcast

2062
02:12:25,050 --> 02:12:26,460
Adam Curry: with ya 123

2063
02:12:27,030 --> 02:12:30,300
Dave Jones: and 20 threes. Get
off my chain.

2064
02:12:30,630 --> 02:12:37,230
Adam Curry: Okay. The suggested
episode title. Explore. Are you

2065
02:12:37,230 --> 02:12:41,220
ready? Yes. Exploring the
benefits of decentralized

2066
02:12:41,220 --> 02:12:43,830
solutions Cole on a
comprehensive analysis of

2067
02:12:43,830 --> 02:12:46,020
cryptocurrency and blockchain
technology.

2068
02:12:46,440 --> 02:12:47,580
Dave Jones: Oh god, that's
horrible.

2069
02:12:47,610 --> 02:12:52,590
Adam Curry: And there's a
suggested tweet. Join us for our

2070
02:12:52,590 --> 02:12:55,440
latest episode of the podcast as
we dive deep into the current

2071
02:12:55,440 --> 02:12:58,500
state of cryptocurrency and
blockchain technology exploring

2072
02:12:58,500 --> 02:13:02,010
challenges and benefits of
decentralized solutions. Hashtag

2073
02:13:02,010 --> 02:13:05,400
cryptocurrency hashtag
blockchain hashtag decentralized

2074
02:13:05,400 --> 02:13:09,000
solutions hashtag podcast
episode summary. In this

2075
02:13:09,000 --> 02:13:13,200
episode, I discuss the monetary
Control Act of 1980 which

2076
02:13:13,200 --> 02:13:15,480
requires all financial
institutions the United States

2077
02:13:15,480 --> 02:13:15,780
lab

2078
02:13:17,820 --> 02:13:22,650
Dave Jones: that is so boring.
Let me let me show you what let

2079
02:13:22,650 --> 02:13:24,240
me let me see what my

2080
02:13:24,360 --> 02:13:26,040
Adam Curry: what your Yes.

2081
02:13:26,639 --> 02:13:29,729
Dave Jones: For the for this
show before we started here.

2082
02:13:29,759 --> 02:13:34,229
Let's see. Okay, here it is.
Episode 134. I said it's time

2083
02:13:34,229 --> 02:13:36,089
for the board meeting. We're
running with scissors live with

2084
02:13:36,089 --> 02:13:39,149
episode 134. Come listen to
nobody announced for President.

2085
02:13:40,259 --> 02:13:43,739
Exactly. That's that's an
announcement that other thing

2086
02:13:43,739 --> 02:13:44,549
was boring.

2087
02:13:44,640 --> 02:13:47,130
Adam Curry: Well, it has
highlights which I would say our

2088
02:13:47,130 --> 02:13:52,530
chapters just give you the
highlights. So these would be

2089
02:13:52,530 --> 02:13:56,880
chapters modernizing podcasting
capabilities with breeze, tool

2090
02:13:56,880 --> 02:14:00,000
selection and open source
evolution of relays and AI

2091
02:14:00,000 --> 02:14:04,530
algorithms. The death of Fiat
podcasting. I do like that. See,

2092
02:14:04,530 --> 02:14:09,090
I would keep that breeze SDK for
apps good one, exploring the

2093
02:14:09,090 --> 02:14:14,010
potential of noster technology
and OS T are welcome nostril.

2094
02:14:14,190 --> 02:14:17,220
Welcome to the party, pal. Okay,
that's a good another good

2095
02:14:17,220 --> 02:14:20,790
chapter title, the emergence of
podcasting to point out layoffs

2096
02:14:20,790 --> 02:14:24,210
in podcasting, and community in
Bitcoin world note.

2097
02:14:24,750 --> 02:14:27,300
Dave Jones: So you don't call it
layoffs in podcasting, you call

2098
02:14:27,300 --> 02:14:29,040
it chop and drop Exactly.

2099
02:14:31,980 --> 02:14:34,740
Adam Curry: As a guideline tool,
I can see where where it's

2100
02:14:34,740 --> 02:14:38,790
useful, and of course it does a
it does a transcript.

2101
02:14:39,480 --> 02:14:41,850
Dave Jones: Once you've gotten
used to dred Scott's chapters,

2102
02:14:41,850 --> 02:14:44,400
there's no image there's no AI
can touch him with a 10 foot

2103
02:14:44,400 --> 02:14:44,820
pole.

2104
02:14:46,200 --> 02:14:48,300
Adam Curry: I don't have to add
to that.

2105
02:14:50,160 --> 02:14:52,290
Dave Jones: He's a he's a he's a
chapter savant

2106
02:14:53,190 --> 02:14:56,910
Adam Curry: chapter Master. Yes.
Chapter captain.

2107
02:14:59,400 --> 02:15:03,210
Dave Jones: Captain Mike And
that's right. Let's see who we

2108
02:15:03,210 --> 02:15:05,910
go with. Now that was it with
the pay pals. Okay, thank

2109
02:15:05,910 --> 02:15:07,890
Adam Curry: you. Thank you
hosting friends. Thank you

2110
02:15:07,890 --> 02:15:11,070
hosting friends and Marco thank
you very very much Franco and

2111
02:15:11,070 --> 02:15:12,390
Franco. Yes, thank you.

2112
02:15:13,620 --> 02:15:18,120
Dave Jones: We got let's see
chat F with 3333 No note, Chad's

2113
02:15:18,120 --> 02:15:21,840
not in the note writing blued
evidently, because we get

2114
02:15:21,840 --> 02:15:27,930
another 3333 from Chad F and
there's also no note we got some

2115
02:15:28,350 --> 02:15:31,920
some big satchel Richard from
you. You must have been money

2116
02:15:31,920 --> 02:15:36,960
printer good. burring Mike
Newman 333 A Pew for the post

2117
02:15:36,960 --> 02:15:41,370
show money printer. Thank you
for your courage. Nope. drips

2118
02:15:41,370 --> 02:15:46,710
got 1234561456

2119
02:15:47,190 --> 02:15:50,100
Adam Curry: Well, I mean, do we
do we'd give him a big big

2120
02:15:50,100 --> 02:15:51,300
baller follow?

2121
02:15:51,570 --> 02:15:55,290
Unknown: Stock Carla 20 is Blaze
on him. Paula.

2122
02:15:55,320 --> 02:15:57,780
Adam Curry: That's what puts
songs at the top of wav like,

2123
02:15:58,050 --> 02:15:58,860
top 40

2124
02:15:59,400 --> 02:16:02,190
Dave Jones: This is what must
this is. This must have been

2125
02:16:02,190 --> 02:16:05,190
when you played it as the outro
Yeah,

2126
02:16:05,220 --> 02:16:08,610
Adam Curry: exactly. So we do
need to be able to differentiate

2127
02:16:08,610 --> 02:16:12,930
because we only get a small
percentage of that. Yeah, but

2128
02:16:12,960 --> 02:16:15,900
I'm happy to big baller that
because it's big baller it

2129
02:16:15,900 --> 02:16:18,480
supports everybody it supports
the artists it gets people

2130
02:16:18,570 --> 02:16:19,890
excited so I'm happy

2131
02:16:21,780 --> 02:16:26,340
Dave Jones: let's see we got I
think we got two of these from

2132
02:16:26,370 --> 02:16:32,130
from Drib I think we got 212345
sixes wow it's the same note but

2133
02:16:32,130 --> 02:16:34,620
it I mean they came in a
different timestamps

2134
02:16:34,800 --> 02:16:36,840
Adam Curry: interesting. He
might have sent them twice as

2135
02:16:36,840 --> 02:16:37,500
possible.

2136
02:16:38,190 --> 02:16:41,400
Dave Jones: Okay, well hard hats
and his satchel Richard for

2137
02:16:41,610 --> 02:16:48,690
1111. We got a 14 21,420 from
SCO TT and he just says yes,

2138
02:16:48,690 --> 02:16:51,090
Adam Curry: indeed. Yes,
streaming.

2139
02:16:51,930 --> 02:16:55,200
Dave Jones: Mike Newman
essential Richards he says, oh,

2140
02:16:55,350 --> 02:16:59,400
Oscar fountain live beta seems
to completely come commandeer My

2141
02:16:59,400 --> 02:17:02,160
phone's audio even if I press
pause on the Live episode. I

2142
02:17:02,160 --> 02:17:03,390
can't stop the stream.

2143
02:17:05,700 --> 02:17:08,820
Adam Curry: You know what Tina?
Really love? What the number one

2144
02:17:08,820 --> 02:17:14,100
loves feature of the new
fountain. She says, Ah, I can

2145
02:17:14,100 --> 02:17:18,150
delete all my downloaded
episodes in with one button.

2146
02:17:18,660 --> 02:17:21,300
Dave Jones: That's a pretty nice
thing. And she watched it. She

2147
02:17:21,300 --> 02:17:21,960
watched and

2148
02:17:23,490 --> 02:17:25,740
Adam Curry: watched it go. Oh,
look at that. Because you like

2149
02:17:25,740 --> 02:17:28,980
1000 Oh, it's gone. 900 800 400

2150
02:17:29,190 --> 02:17:36,090
Dave Jones: Ah. This is a thing.
It is a big thing. ASMR buzz

2151
02:17:36,090 --> 02:17:36,690
visual.

2152
02:17:36,720 --> 02:17:42,300
Adam Curry: She is love. She
loves that clean up feeling like

2153
02:17:42,300 --> 02:17:46,140
Inbox Zero. Yeah, she loves it.
Oh man. So that's her most

2154
02:17:46,140 --> 02:17:47,010
favorite feature.

2155
02:17:49,139 --> 02:17:50,519
Dave Jones: I'm pretty on board
with that too.

2156
02:17:50,549 --> 02:17:52,469
Adam Curry: I understand that.

2157
02:17:53,039 --> 02:17:56,609
Dave Jones: Oh, my Caden 2222
Road ducks for curio caster he

2158
02:17:56,609 --> 02:17:59,309
says Good Times last week. Yes,
Mike. Thanks, Mike

2159
02:17:59,310 --> 02:18:02,820
Adam Curry: was good to have you
on. And I think he really

2160
02:18:02,820 --> 02:18:06,750
enjoyed I think he posted on the
social how much he enjoyed

2161
02:18:06,750 --> 02:18:10,200
watching the Satoshis come in
from his split on that episode.

2162
02:18:10,620 --> 02:18:14,640
Yeah, yeah, it's that's my evil
plan as my evil plan. Yeah, it's

2163
02:18:14,640 --> 02:18:17,310
pretty fun. And it Mike that's
why all your clients all your

2164
02:18:17,310 --> 02:18:20,130
customers could have that same
wonderful experience.

2165
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Dave Jones: We got 123456 booths
for 49,000 SATs from Auburn

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02:18:30,900 --> 02:18:33,330
citadel. Holy Mara.

2167
02:18:33,389 --> 02:18:37,529
Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze own
Ambala Thank

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02:18:37,530 --> 02:18:40,530
Adam Curry: you. That's a big
one. That's a big baller boost

2169
02:18:40,530 --> 02:18:41,790
man. Thank you so much.

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02:18:42,210 --> 02:18:44,580
Dave Jones: It must fit as per
minute said I don't know man.

2171
02:18:44,580 --> 02:18:45,180
That's uh, but he

2172
02:18:47,250 --> 02:18:49,320
Adam Curry: he gets all excited.
Yeah.

2173
02:18:50,100 --> 02:18:52,050
Dave Jones: Satchel Richards
from the mere mortals podcast.

2174
02:18:52,050 --> 02:18:54,180
He found it he says the
streaming payments also good to

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02:18:54,180 --> 02:18:57,180
the artist. You only mentioned
boosts so I was unsure

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02:18:57,210 --> 02:19:00,030
Adam Curry: Yes, everything
everything. It's a foreign value

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02:19:00,030 --> 02:19:04,110
bloxwich. Yes so no matter what
you do, no matter from where oh

2178
02:19:04,110 --> 02:19:08,820
no, it doesn't matter from where
I live everybody

2179
02:19:09,719 --> 02:19:12,719
Dave Jones: that loves sushi
10,000 says curio caster says

2180
02:19:12,719 --> 02:19:15,269
boosting the money printer girl
burr from period caster.

2181
02:19:17,129 --> 02:19:20,399
Adam Curry: Boost boost money
print to go borrow money Brenda

2182
02:19:20,399 --> 02:19:21,179
go birth.

2183
02:19:21,840 --> 02:19:24,120
Dave Jones: Michigan been 2040
Oh, what would what?

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02:19:24,929 --> 02:19:27,119
Adam Curry: No, I think I need
to play that song again.

2185
02:19:28,410 --> 02:19:30,840
Dave Jones: Jean been 2048
through cast Matic says I'm

2186
02:19:30,840 --> 02:19:33,540
wondering if the person's Search
API endpoint could somehow be

2187
02:19:33,540 --> 02:19:36,810
tied into by pod chaser. It
seems like they'd benefit from

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02:19:36,810 --> 02:19:40,170
it greatly. Well, they're
welcome to do it. It's right

2189
02:19:40,170 --> 02:19:45,390
there. They can do it if they
want to. Alex on pod friend 5000

2190
02:19:45,390 --> 02:19:50,430
sets a says boost Fauci plus
boost Devora plus boost Fauci

2191
02:19:50,430 --> 02:19:52,470
plus boost to Vortec plus boost
the keeper.

2192
02:19:53,369 --> 02:19:55,949
Adam Curry: We can do a little
bit of that boost boost boost.

2193
02:19:56,159 --> 02:20:01,169
Boost boost Okay? Got Mola They
got most of it in their

2194
02:20:02,610 --> 02:20:08,400
Dave Jones: 4096 through gene
bein we got 123456 of those and

2195
02:20:08,400 --> 02:20:13,080
thank you gene bein I appreciate
the yellow owl from Brees of

2196
02:20:13,080 --> 02:20:18,240
course that's a very breezed
anonymous name 2498 Thank you

2197
02:20:18,240 --> 02:20:23,580
very much. Brian of London 1948
says the Israel boost he says

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02:20:23,580 --> 02:20:26,970
podcasting 2.0 is recorded
before the start of Shabbat on a

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02:20:26,970 --> 02:20:30,090
Friday in the timezone of the
participants. It is there for

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02:20:30,090 --> 02:20:34,650
kosher as a Jew as a Jew is
Brian certified. There we

2201
02:20:34,650 --> 02:20:38,190
Adam Curry: go. We're kosher. We
are now we are officially right

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02:20:38,220 --> 02:20:40,200
down the only boardroom that's
kosher

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02:20:41,040 --> 02:20:44,790
Dave Jones: that's that's that's
a big deal. I'm hanging the sign

2204
02:20:44,790 --> 02:20:54,150
up we got a 234,567 SAS through
curio caster from drip Scott

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02:20:54,960 --> 02:20:55,980
printer.com

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02:20:55,980 --> 02:20:59,580
Unknown: Saqqara 20 his blades
on the Impala people

2207
02:20:59,580 --> 02:21:03,030
Adam Curry: love that money
printer song man I'm playing it

2208
02:21:03,030 --> 02:21:06,210
on the outro again I can't help
myself I just need to say it's a

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02:21:06,210 --> 02:21:08,910
great way to get the weekend
started money printer Gober?

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02:21:08,940 --> 02:21:09,750
Yeah, I love it.

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02:21:11,400 --> 02:21:15,060
Dave Jones: My printer go burn.
All right, thank you Greg. Oh,

2212
02:21:15,060 --> 02:21:22,050
and another one he says boosting
fudge 133,333 20

2213
02:21:22,260 --> 02:21:24,930
Unknown: blades on the Impala
his children

2214
02:21:24,930 --> 02:21:26,580
Adam Curry: are walking on bare
feet

2215
02:21:28,920 --> 02:21:32,280
Dave Jones: ragged eating toast.
The bottom of their faces live a

2216
02:21:32,280 --> 02:21:37,020
hamburger meat is awful. To get
jelly stains on their cheek,

2217
02:21:37,050 --> 02:21:39,390
Adam Curry: the Bruce Wayne of
podcasting 2.0 Thank you

2218
02:21:39,390 --> 02:21:39,840
brother.

2219
02:21:40,830 --> 02:21:44,430
Dave Jones: James sent us 40
Send us 4000 SATs the founder

2220
02:21:44,430 --> 02:21:47,070
says value for value is the way
Silicon Valley man.

2221
02:21:48,210 --> 02:21:51,720
Adam Curry: He was talking to
Mike Mike okay. It's Silicon

2222
02:21:51,720 --> 02:21:52,620
Valley man.

2223
02:21:54,810 --> 02:21:57,780
Dave Jones: Clark Ian 25,001
says that's my buddy he says

2224
02:21:57,780 --> 02:22:00,450
beef tallow fries for you Dave
boobity boobity buck

2225
02:22:00,780 --> 02:22:03,090
Adam Curry: boost boost boost so
buddy buddy Bob.

2226
02:22:04,470 --> 02:22:07,860
Dave Jones: Yet we went to we
went over to their house the

2227
02:22:07,860 --> 02:22:11,010
other night he made beef tallow
fries with grass fed beef.

2228
02:22:11,699 --> 02:22:15,569
Adam Curry: Oh, oh, that must
have been super delish. Now

2229
02:22:15,569 --> 02:22:19,769
we're gonna check your buddy
with the 12 Giga gigabyte AI

2230
02:22:19,769 --> 02:22:20,189
thing.

2231
02:22:20,760 --> 02:22:24,270
Dave Jones: Yeah, man. It was
badass EA show me ooga booga

2232
02:22:24,270 --> 02:22:28,170
running with a Vicuna length
large language model. Totally,

2233
02:22:28,950 --> 02:22:33,870
totally local solely on device.
And he said he just he pulled it

2234
02:22:33,870 --> 02:22:39,030
up just like Chad GPT and typed
in. He just typed in a request.

2235
02:22:39,030 --> 02:22:43,890
He said please write it write a
script. Write a bash script that

2236
02:22:43,890 --> 02:22:47,160
will send an email saying hello
world every 20 minutes and it

2237
02:22:47,160 --> 02:22:51,450
was like Berge read it all nice.
And I said Well, that was I will

2238
02:22:51,450 --> 02:22:53,910
try and do the same thing and
just change it to PowerShell so

2239
02:22:53,910 --> 02:22:55,650
he just said the same exact
thing and change it to

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02:22:55,650 --> 02:22:56,670
PowerShell boom

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02:22:57,060 --> 02:22:59,790
Adam Curry: Wow to read out and
did it as he worried about it

2242
02:22:59,790 --> 02:23:00,900
eating up his house.

2243
02:23:04,170 --> 02:23:08,910
Dave Jones: It is He said if you
have at least a 12 gig video

2244
02:23:08,910 --> 02:23:12,930
card then it will do it'll it
can fit everything in memory and

2245
02:23:12,930 --> 02:23:13,950
it's super fast.

2246
02:23:14,160 --> 02:23:17,400
Adam Curry: Can he can he have
it generate show notes and

2247
02:23:17,400 --> 02:23:18,900
chapter titles for our show?

2248
02:23:19,860 --> 02:23:21,990
Dave Jones: Probably but it'll
be boring. But

2249
02:23:23,130 --> 02:23:26,130
Adam Curry: just curious. Who
knows. I mean maybe his stuff

2250
02:23:26,130 --> 02:23:26,820
isn't boring. I

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02:23:26,820 --> 02:23:29,730
Dave Jones: don't know. We don't
know that drab isn't doing that

2252
02:23:29,730 --> 02:23:30,750
very thing. Thank

2253
02:23:30,750 --> 02:23:33,660
Adam Curry: you. We don't know
if dread is real. Drip,

2254
02:23:33,750 --> 02:23:36,060
Dave Jones: drip drip may be a
large language model.

2255
02:23:37,980 --> 02:23:39,210
Adam Curry: I'm not going to
contest it.

2256
02:23:41,520 --> 02:23:44,640
Dave Jones: A monkey sent us 333
sets and money to go

2257
02:23:45,180 --> 02:23:46,470
Adam Curry: home man they love
it.

2258
02:23:47,850 --> 02:23:51,990
Dave Jones: The bow ski says 808
Boo Boos through fountain no

2259
02:23:51,990 --> 02:23:56,730
note that we get sir Pete 22 to
22 Big row of dogs uses

2260
02:23:56,730 --> 02:23:57,300
liberals.

2261
02:23:57,510 --> 02:24:00,480
Adam Curry: They're very nice. I
want to we haven't played in the

2262
02:24:00,480 --> 02:24:01,590
boost in a long time.

2263
02:24:03,810 --> 02:24:07,800
Dave Jones: And now as the
French say it is time for love

2264
02:24:07,800 --> 02:24:13,920
boost I love Benjamin Bellamy he
doesn't let it rip.

2265
02:24:15,090 --> 02:24:17,580
Adam Curry: He doesn't care. He
does not care.

2266
02:24:18,030 --> 02:24:20,100
Dave Jones: Exactly all you get
is exactly what

2267
02:24:20,100 --> 02:24:23,490
Adam Curry: he thinks love that.
Love that love that. Now

2268
02:24:23,670 --> 02:24:25,980
Dave Jones: an anonymous boost
for 2500 says through cast

2269
02:24:25,980 --> 02:24:30,120
ematic Thank you anonymous let's
see 1000 says from user

2270
02:24:30,120 --> 02:24:34,440
499016947 Double blah blah blah
and fountain he says lit fire is

2271
02:24:34,440 --> 02:24:34,890
awesome.

2272
02:24:34,920 --> 02:24:37,380
Adam Curry: Yeah change your
username. Yes.

2273
02:24:38,160 --> 02:24:41,910
Dave Jones: Huge satchel
Richards from bad career advice

2274
02:24:41,910 --> 02:24:47,430
Chad he says sinking that are
you what are you thinking about?

2275
02:24:47,490 --> 02:24:50,550
said in a bedroom and accent in
honor of the featured artists

2276
02:24:50,580 --> 02:24:51,870
money printer good or

2277
02:24:57,000 --> 02:25:00,810
bad career vice Chad's in a 6969
through family says Adam stop

2278
02:25:00,810 --> 02:25:04,200
server size shaming. Everyone
knows it's not about the size of

2279
02:25:04,200 --> 02:25:11,010
the server but the motion of the
data packet ocean moves backward

2280
02:25:11,010 --> 02:25:18,900
but yet again with 1000 SATs,
he's just as anonymous as the

2281
02:25:18,900 --> 02:25:22,980
big road ducks two of those
Thank you. 20 is a 2100 from

2282
02:25:22,980 --> 02:25:27,360
Bhumi just says demoing every
week Bhumi is demoing V for V on

2283
02:25:27,360 --> 02:25:33,180
somebody. We get a boost of love
that bore logs and 20,000 SATs

2284
02:25:34,500 --> 02:25:37,680
30 pod verses is Keep up the
good work, gentlemen. Thank you

2285
02:25:37,680 --> 02:25:38,340
Borlaug.

2286
02:25:39,210 --> 02:25:42,660
Adam Curry: We love this. I love
tone records suggestion Dred

2287
02:25:42,660 --> 02:25:44,460
Scott is chapter GPT

2288
02:25:47,430 --> 02:25:52,200
Dave Jones: I liked I like that
a lot. That's awesome. Oh marks

2289
02:25:52,290 --> 02:25:56,130
and marks and it's 3111 the
founding says great episode yet

2290
02:25:56,130 --> 02:25:58,740
again. Thanks for the words of
encouragement on podcaster go

2291
02:25:58,740 --> 02:26:04,320
podcasting go podcast. Seriously
build something I really want to

2292
02:26:04,320 --> 02:26:04,560
see.

2293
02:26:04,890 --> 02:26:05,370
Adam Curry: Yeah.

2294
02:26:07,080 --> 02:26:09,900
Dave Jones: The delimiter
30 3015 through comes through

2295
02:26:09,900 --> 02:26:14,550
blogger Hey says don't miss Dave
and achieving Adam. Like you we

2296
02:26:14,550 --> 02:26:16,680
believe in the limitless
potential of your work with

2297
02:26:16,680 --> 02:26:21,540
value in PC 2.0. Your diligence
deserves consistent support with

2298
02:26:21,540 --> 02:26:25,860
SATs we foresee a future where
in the pioneering hallmark of

2299
02:26:25,860 --> 02:26:28,650
podcasting, Bitcoin and
artificial intelligence become

2300
02:26:28,650 --> 02:26:31,890
pillars of ingenuity, working
alongside the nobility of the

2301
02:26:31,890 --> 02:26:35,520
spirit to become the ghost in
the machine of the Beast system.

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02:26:35,910 --> 02:26:39,270
There go the AI duck cooking
podcast seeks to inform its

2303
02:26:39,270 --> 02:26:42,180
listenership fortnightly. Yossi
is being wolf

2304
02:26:43,020 --> 02:26:46,260
Adam Curry: Hey, it's a fan
favorite that AI dog cooking

2305
02:26:46,260 --> 02:26:50,100
podcast everybody's asking for
it. If he if he gets written up

2306
02:26:50,100 --> 02:26:52,830
in Wired I'll be laughing my ass
off

2307
02:26:53,010 --> 02:26:54,630
Dave Jones: that article came
out by the way.

2308
02:26:55,440 --> 02:26:57,780
Adam Curry: Oh, it did. Yeah.
Did you look at it.

2309
02:26:58,800 --> 02:27:00,540
Dave Jones: Read the first
paragraph where had the leaf

2310
02:27:00,929 --> 02:27:03,869
Adam Curry: oh man wired. I
can't believe we didn't check

2311
02:27:03,869 --> 02:27:06,419
that out at Wired Magazine.

2312
02:27:07,980 --> 02:27:09,690
Dave Jones: Shocking leaked
Tesla documents hint at

2313
02:27:09,690 --> 02:27:11,010
cybertruck problems.

2314
02:27:11,220 --> 02:27:14,280
Adam Curry: Oh no. Oh, no. Oh
no. I'll have to cancel my

2315
02:27:14,280 --> 02:27:19,920
order. A generative AI podcasts
are here. I was at the article.

2316
02:27:21,690 --> 02:27:25,920
Dave Jones: For it looking for
looking for it. I don't know.

2317
02:27:25,950 --> 02:27:28,080
Just the lady's blowing her
nose.

2318
02:27:30,540 --> 02:27:33,060
Adam Curry: I don't I searched
for cooking. I don't see cooking

2319
02:27:33,060 --> 02:27:37,650
in this article. Just came out
the 24th Wait, it's just written

2320
02:27:37,650 --> 02:27:40,500
by Katie. Let me see if it's
Katie. Because if it's Katie,

2321
02:27:40,890 --> 02:27:41,970
Katie right this

2322
02:27:43,380 --> 02:27:46,650
Dave Jones: new nibs. There we
go. 520 for you. genitive AR

2323
02:27:46,650 --> 02:27:50,190
podcast. Podcasts are here
prepared to be bored. Well,

2324
02:27:50,190 --> 02:27:52,440
there you go. She's she's right
on. It's boring.

2325
02:27:52,470 --> 02:27:54,270
Adam Curry: Yeah. Okay, well,
I'm gonna write her and say,

2326
02:27:54,330 --> 02:27:57,570
Well, did she mention podcasts
index, and

2327
02:27:58,590 --> 02:27:59,550
Dave Jones: index?

2328
02:28:01,560 --> 02:28:04,740
Adam Curry: Oh, according to the
database database podcast index.

2329
02:28:05,760 --> 02:28:09,150
Nearly 103,000 individual
podcast episodes republished

2330
02:28:09,150 --> 02:28:12,780
online a deluge of audio content
so voluminous that listeners

2331
02:28:12,780 --> 02:28:14,790
need never run out of options.

2332
02:28:15,330 --> 02:28:17,160
Dave Jones: She gave us a link
right there. And the first thing

2333
02:28:17,160 --> 02:28:17,700
is Thank

2334
02:28:17,700 --> 02:28:20,160
Adam Curry: you. All right,
Katie. You're back on top. Your

2335
02:28:20,340 --> 02:28:22,080
Euro pound friend of the show.

2336
02:28:24,510 --> 02:28:26,760
Dave Jones: Thank you for giving
us a link that will cause us to

2337
02:28:26,790 --> 02:28:29,880
have to spend more money on
servers. Oh, now don't be that.

2338
02:28:29,940 --> 02:28:33,360
I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm
not you can do that. You said

2339
02:28:33,360 --> 02:28:34,590
the one that said aihole.

2340
02:28:35,310 --> 02:28:37,200
Adam Curry: Oh, um, but that's
my job. You're supposed to be

2341
02:28:37,200 --> 02:28:37,890
the good guy.

2342
02:28:38,670 --> 02:28:43,650
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. Thanks,
Katie. This is how it works was

2343
02:28:43,650 --> 02:28:45,750
very nice. She was very nice
about it.

2344
02:28:46,500 --> 02:28:48,150
Adam Curry: I'm very
appreciative of it. Thank you,

2345
02:28:48,150 --> 02:28:52,200
Katie. You solidified as the
authority yes monthlies.

2346
02:28:55,260 --> 02:28:56,940
Dave Jones: The first line of
this article, here's the thing

2347
02:28:56,940 --> 02:29:02,250
about podcasts. There's too many
of them. Pretty much. monthlies,

2348
02:29:02,430 --> 02:29:07,440
Paul air skin $11.14 Charles
current $5 Michael Goggin $5

2349
02:29:07,440 --> 02:29:13,560
Sean McCune $20 James Sullivan
$10 Christopher Raymer $10 Cohen

2350
02:29:13,560 --> 02:29:20,130
glass Buck $5 Jordan Dunnville
$10 Michael Kimmerer $5.33 dribs

2351
02:29:20,130 --> 02:29:23,190
got $15 and Lesley Martin $2 and
that's

2352
02:29:24,150 --> 02:29:30,300
Adam Curry: and this just came
in pot off the presses. From

2353
02:29:30,300 --> 02:29:35,940
Martin Oh, greetings from all
legacy. Greetings from all

2354
02:29:35,940 --> 02:29:41,190
legacy pod friend users.
Consider this the shutdown of LM

2355
02:29:41,190 --> 02:29:47,100
pay love you. 1 million Satoshis

2356
02:29:49,980 --> 02:29:53,460
Unknown: Sakala 20 his blades on
the Impala

2357
02:29:53,699 --> 02:29:59,999
Adam Curry: mill boost 1 million
Satoshis. So he shut everything

2358
02:29:59,999 --> 02:30:02,879
Woody down, took their money and
gave it to us. I love you.

2359
02:30:04,140 --> 02:30:05,370
Dave Jones: And he's off to
Mexico.

2360
02:30:06,750 --> 02:30:10,110
Adam Curry: Wow, that is so
cool. Well, I'm going to turn

2361
02:30:10,110 --> 02:30:12,870
around I'm gonna I'm gonna boost
money printer Gerber and Cory

2362
02:30:12,870 --> 02:30:16,680
Keller was Yeah, man. Thank you.
Okay,

2363
02:30:16,680 --> 02:30:17,190
Dave Jones: good idea.

2364
02:30:17,220 --> 02:30:19,980
Adam Curry: Thank you everybody
so much is so incredibly

2365
02:30:19,980 --> 02:30:23,520
generous, important. Thank you.
I probably should check the

2366
02:30:23,520 --> 02:30:27,240
tally coin to see if Dredd
boosted us there as well. To go

2367
02:30:27,240 --> 02:30:32,460
to podcasts. index.org down at
the bottom. Oh, yeah, sure.

2368
02:30:32,850 --> 02:30:36,360
Tallyho for the trifecta of V
for V donations for this episode

2369
02:30:36,360 --> 02:30:43,290
monthly pay pal boosted gram and
Tally coin. 74,522 Satoshis. No,

2370
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the chapter GPT. checks in
again. Cheesy. Great. We are

2371
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value for value and value for
value works. If you actually

2372
02:30:53,370 --> 02:30:56,250
deliver value, you can see
what's going on here. Thank you

2373
02:30:56,250 --> 02:30:58,890
so much to everybody who
supported us this week. It's not

2374
02:30:58,890 --> 02:31:02,400
just the show. It's the index.
It's the database. It's the 30

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servers, it's liquidity we hand
out on with very high fees these

2376
02:31:06,240 --> 02:31:10,410
days. Through the node it's
keeping us alive is building up

2377
02:31:10,410 --> 02:31:14,850
a little bit of a buffer. It's
it's helping us you know pay for

2378
02:31:14,850 --> 02:31:18,510
the for the LM pay, which we've
been paying for for several

2379
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years. It's also appreciated. At
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index.org page, you can see two
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is for PayPal, and one for the

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tally coin, which is really drab
Scott's personal button to put

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the drip just like bread, drip
press hear his name on it. We

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are value for value. No creepy
ad money, no Corporation, no

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02:31:43,440 --> 02:31:48,060
podcast industrial complex, just
us developers partying together

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with the listeners with fans,
with supporters, with developers

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02:31:52,620 --> 02:31:56,520
with podcasters listeners.
That's what it is three years

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02:31:56,520 --> 02:31:59,610
going strong still and sharing
and all the value through the

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02:31:59,610 --> 02:32:03,150
value splits. I love it. I'm so
proud of everybody. I'm proud of

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you, Dave Jones.

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02:32:04,710 --> 02:32:08,820
Dave Jones: I'm proud of you
too. I've got public service

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02:32:08,820 --> 02:32:10,080
announcements like okay, public

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02:32:10,080 --> 02:32:11,580
Adam Curry: service
announcements before we go and

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02:32:11,580 --> 02:32:14,190
I'm going to cut you off because
you know, this is way beyond

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02:32:14,190 --> 02:32:15,840
your time. Well, I

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02:32:16,380 --> 02:32:18,270
Dave Jones: No, no, no, I don't
have to go back to work. I'm

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02:32:18,390 --> 02:32:22,650
I'll this true clear. Okay, the
clear. Good. This is not okay.

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02:32:22,650 --> 02:32:25,530
There's one perfect one public
service announcement and one

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02:32:25,530 --> 02:32:30,180
thing specifically for chyron
from the mere mortals podcast,

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02:32:31,170 --> 02:32:35,640
the car Karen, the two books you
want do you want to read from

2401
02:32:35,640 --> 02:32:40,080
Frederick Naisha are this book
there's Zarathustra? That his

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02:32:40,110 --> 02:32:43,650
his his this is what I was told
by my friend who is a Nietzsche

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02:32:43,650 --> 02:32:49,170
scholar. That is that book
displays his his mature

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02:32:49,200 --> 02:32:52,290
philosophical thought. And you
also want to read the

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02:32:52,290 --> 02:32:56,490
Antichrist, which in his words
shows how insane he is because

2406
02:32:56,490 --> 02:32:59,220
he advocates violence against
Christians. Okay.

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02:32:59,850 --> 02:33:02,010
Adam Curry: That is I'm
switching to the Nietzsche value

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02:33:02,010 --> 02:33:03,810
block here live. Okay.

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02:33:04,830 --> 02:33:05,850
Dave Jones: All right, and come
back.

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02:33:06,360 --> 02:33:07,800
Adam Curry: We're back. We're
back. We're back yesterday.

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02:33:08,670 --> 02:33:11,460
Dave Jones: The public service
announcement is if you run

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02:33:11,460 --> 02:33:15,690
Windows, disable, you will be
doing yourself a favor to

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02:33:15,690 --> 02:33:20,640
disable fast startup. Oh, in the
power options.

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02:33:21,180 --> 02:33:24,330
Adam Curry: Oh, why? Why is
that? Why? Tell us about this

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02:33:24,330 --> 02:33:26,910
public public service.

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02:33:28,710 --> 02:33:31,560
Dave Jones: We have over the
last few months in my day job we

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02:33:31,560 --> 02:33:37,770
have noticed an alarmingly large
increase in the number of weird

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02:33:38,160 --> 02:33:42,420
things going on with windows
that involve like memory leaks,

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02:33:43,260 --> 02:33:48,600
printers doing weird things,
just all kinds of really hard to

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02:33:48,600 --> 02:33:53,190
pin down issues and almost every
one of them is solved if you

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02:33:53,190 --> 02:33:54,930
disable fast startup

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02:33:54,960 --> 02:33:57,420
Adam Curry: now where do I find
this fast startup because I find

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02:33:57,420 --> 02:33:59,430
a lot but I don't see the Fast
Startup

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02:33:59,460 --> 02:34:01,770
Dave Jones: it's really a pain
in the butt to find if you go to

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02:34:01,770 --> 02:34:07,050
the settings and then go in
search for power power option if

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02:34:07,050 --> 02:34:11,130
you start if you just go into
the settings apps for power go

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02:34:11,130 --> 02:34:15,030
to I think it's called power and
sleep options or something and

2428
02:34:15,030 --> 02:34:18,840
you go in there and then you go
to Advanced

2429
02:34:21,150 --> 02:34:23,640
Adam Curry: advanced yep then I
get a little power options thing

2430
02:34:23,640 --> 02:34:24,540
that pops up yep,

2431
02:34:24,570 --> 02:34:27,240
Dave Jones: the control panel
applets then over the left of

2432
02:34:27,240 --> 02:34:28,080
the control panel and

2433
02:34:28,529 --> 02:34:31,229
Adam Curry: basically in Windows
three now yeah, yes, you're

2434
02:34:31,229 --> 02:34:31,439
right.

2435
02:34:32,160 --> 02:34:33,420
Dave Jones: You're in the right
place. Yes,

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02:34:33,450 --> 02:34:33,900
Adam Curry: yes.

2437
02:34:34,199 --> 02:34:37,139
Dave Jones: Then now if you go
up to the OP the link that says

2438
02:34:37,169 --> 02:34:40,559
Choose what closing the lid does
or choose what the power buttons

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02:34:40,559 --> 02:34:45,539
do. Over on the left

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02:34:45,780 --> 02:34:50,460
Adam Curry: I'm looking but I I
just from wireless. I mean, I

2441
02:34:50,460 --> 02:34:54,240
don't have a laptop so maybe
it's not in here. Tower man Oh,

2442
02:34:54,240 --> 02:34:58,350
display display maybe turned it
No. Power processing management?

2443
02:34:58,410 --> 02:34:59,040
No.

2444
02:34:59,730 --> 02:35:02,970
Dave Jones: Yes. So you'll
you'll want to you'll want to

2445
02:35:02,970 --> 02:35:06,690
find that option that says
Choose what the power and sleep

2446
02:35:06,690 --> 02:35:09,900
buttons do. It should be in
there somewhere that if you

2447
02:35:10,710 --> 02:35:13,950
don't know what yours looks like
but it should be in the advanced

2448
02:35:13,980 --> 02:35:16,320
if you're on that screen that
shows whether you can go to

2449
02:35:16,320 --> 02:35:18,300
balanced or high performance
power

2450
02:35:18,330 --> 02:35:21,630
Adam Curry: yeah high
performance over on the left you

2451
02:35:21,630 --> 02:35:23,760
Dave Jones: should have some
options and one of them should

2452
02:35:23,760 --> 02:35:27,270
be something like choose what
the power button does. If you

2453
02:35:27,630 --> 02:35:31,410
click if you the way you get
there is you click that then at

2454
02:35:31,410 --> 02:35:34,230
the bottom you will see a thing
that lets you disable fast

2455
02:35:34,230 --> 02:35:38,970
startup not seeing it

2456
02:35:39,000 --> 02:35:42,180
Adam Curry: no I screenshot
Yeah, I mean I know what you're

2457
02:35:42,180 --> 02:35:46,560
talking about. But I just
display Trump processor power

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02:35:46,560 --> 02:35:50,940
management I don't have I don't
have a lid thing because I don't

2459
02:35:50,940 --> 02:35:52,830
have a lid lid yeah

2460
02:35:54,930 --> 02:35:56,940
Dave Jones: yeah, there's
another one this though that

2461
02:35:56,940 --> 02:35:59,490
doesn't is not the lid it's like
choose what the power button

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02:35:59,490 --> 02:36:00,060
does.

2463
02:36:00,630 --> 02:36:06,060
Adam Curry: I don't have that
button. I know I think I'm in

2464
02:36:06,060 --> 02:36:08,010
the right screen I got all that
stuff.

2465
02:36:08,550 --> 02:36:11,040
Dave Jones: issues within the
Power Options section select

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02:36:11,070 --> 02:36:13,080
Change what the power buttons
do.

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02:36:13,110 --> 02:36:17,340
Adam Curry: I don't have that. I
don't have that option. Okay,

2468
02:36:17,370 --> 02:36:20,490
well, so I don't so I don't have
the problem. Boom solved.

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02:36:23,940 --> 02:36:25,470
Dave Jones: You fixed it without
doing anything.

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02:36:26,310 --> 02:36:29,550
Adam Curry: Dave my brother have
yourself a great weekend. What a

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02:36:29,550 --> 02:36:31,950
great what a great board
meeting. Thank you everybody in

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the chat room. Man I'm so
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onstage at Bitcoin 2024 We're
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