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Adam Curry: Oh, podcasting 2.0
For April 21 2023, episode 130

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for all the drummers out there.
Oh man, it's Friday. Once again,

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it is time for podcasting. 2.0
the only boardroom that won't

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accept a PowerPoint pitch from
anybody. That's what we do hear.

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We're running with scissors and
scotch tape. Everything

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happening in the current day age
of modern podcasting, everything

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going on with the namespace
podcast index.org. And of course

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what we're all yapping about a
podcast index dot social. I'm

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Adam curry here in the heart of
the Texas Hill Country and in

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Alabama, the coolest cucumber in
disorganized product

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development. Say hello to my
friend on the other end, ladies

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and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones.

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Dave Jones: We get the show is
going down. It's going downhill.

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Adam Curry: Why were plummeting?
What do you mean? We're

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plummeting? Oh, we're plummeting
in the in the fountain chart?

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Dave Jones: No, we're in the OP
threes. Have you seen our op

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three page? It looks like a
stuck look at the stock market.

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This is down down down down?

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Adam Curry: To be honest. I
never look at the OP three

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pages. I don't have to that's
not how value for value works. I

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don't care. Can I pay the rent
is the question I ask every

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month. That's pretty much it.
And if I can't, then then we

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have a problem.

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Dave Jones: Well, based on the
donations today, we can't pay

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the rent.

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Adam Curry: You know, it has
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It's of course it's tax season.
Although people should be

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starting to get refunds pretty
soon. And we certainly encourage

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you to give your refund to the
project.

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Dave Jones: It's like one of
those sleazy businesses or like

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we'll give you an advance on you

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Adam Curry: know, you don't yet
know I mean, you know what we

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John and I have successfully
asked people to consider their

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their their tax return as a
bonus, and share some of that

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with the show was value for
value and people have done it

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consistently. It works really
well. Not sleazy, you're talking

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about

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Dave Jones: you know, those
like, we'll give you a will

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advance your tax refund. And
we'll just keep you know, well.

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Don't worry. We'll only keep
like 15%

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Adam Curry: Yes, I know those
all too well. And here we go.

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And people heard your call and
once and we're we're racing.

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It's the lid stuff that works
and we are indeed lit that's

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something you get with the with
a with a funky, fresh new

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podcast app. Let's see we have
podcast attic, podcast, Guru,

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pod verse, curio caster two of
those at minimum with value for

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value in there. But just the
idea that you get your your

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stream, you get your chat room,
you get everything all where you

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get your podcasts and of course,
in I think any podcasts and to

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point out almost every single
one of them. You can import your

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old podcast subscriptions. Can
you actually use you can export

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them from Spotify? Probably not.
You know, what am I thinking?

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Dave Jones: That's crazy talk,
there's no way they would? They

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would they will do value for
value before they let you export

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your feeds and OPML.

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Adam Curry: Did I read that?
Spotify has capitulated.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, I think
they're capitulating across the

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board. You hear they were
talking about them being? I saw

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James's coverage of this and
they were like, We're open.

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Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly. We
know that they've applied

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instead of saying, hey, you know
what, we really couldn't make

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the money we expected to offer
the exclusives. Instead, they

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say we've we've applied a
windowing strategy,

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Dave Jones: like the windowing
strategy.

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Adam Curry: Now a windowing
strategy does it traditionally

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comes from I believe, originally
from motion pictures, where

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you're first in the theater,
then then you're on to like pay

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movie channels back in the day,
maybe HBO or Cinemax or

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Showtime. And or maybe even pay
per view first, I think you

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could do on demand, and then it
was one of the one of the

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subscription services, then it
would be you know, chopped up

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into a movie of the week. And
then it would be in syndication.

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And that's your windowing
strategy, but it just doesn't

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make sense anymore. I mean,
there used to be even reasoning

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strategies. Do you remember that
when you could buy a DVD? It's

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probably still the same way. You
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then you couldn't play it in
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Dave Jones: Unless you the Blu
Ray Blu Ray was saying is the

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same way. Yeah, yeah. It's like
It's like region encoded or

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whatever I mean, which is, which
is so stupid because you can buy

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a region free player. Yeah, the
whole thing is just dumb. And

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you only

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Adam Curry: allowed to switch
regions three times and then you

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brick your device. I remember
those days.

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Dave Jones: These the streaming
services though, in general are

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just sucking wind. Like music
streaming and movie streaming.

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Adam Curry: Everybody's losing
money. Everybody's losing money.

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The Paramount plot lost $3
billion. Oh, just start up. They

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own the content.

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Dave Jones: My favorite, my
favorite, it's so bad. It's so

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bad. Now. That so if you if you
only have a subscription to HBO

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Max. Let's just Let's just do
this. You know, hypothetical

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sanity check. If you have a
subscription to HBO Max. Yeah.

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The one thing you would expect
to be on HBO Max and available

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at all times? Is the content
that HBO max that HBO themselves

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created? That's your own show.
Yeah, that would seem logical.

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Yes. That's not the case and why
they've now they've now given

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exclusive rights to some of
their shows to other streaming

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platforms and taking it off
their own platform. No way. We

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only got through mimulus Only
got through like, halfway

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through season two of Westworld.
Yeah, we went just on a on a

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rare kid free night. The other
night we were like, Hey, let's

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let's go. Catch up. Try to catch
up on Westworld. Yeah, we

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couldn't find it. On Max. They
they, they gave it as an

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exclusive to some other
streaming platform and they've

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taken it off their

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Adam Curry: pathetic is that
money? Yeah, I know. Oh, hold

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on.

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Dave Jones: Yeah. Oh, nice.

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Adam Curry: 88,888 from the
Bruce Wayne podcast and Dr.

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Scott. Thank you. And there's an
anonymous person out there.

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Unknown: Shot Caller 20. His
blades on him. Paula

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Adam Curry: 121212121212.
Anonymous. That's big from

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anonymous. Thank you very much
anonymous, and

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Dave Jones: we'd love Yes,
Nathan, the MK Ultra chat is

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running this week I posted.

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Adam Curry: So how do I get into
MK Ultra chat? Is that? Did you

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post that somewhere?

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Dave Jones: Almost just pasted
in and hit Enter on my private

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key. That was no no, no.

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Adam Curry: Although fun,
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Unknown: I would have been a
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Adam Curry: do people get into
that? I mean, how did Nathan get

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it? How did you even know about
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Dave Jones: You put the link in
the chat? Oh, I didn't see that.

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Okay. Yeah, it's better now.
It's better. Still got it's

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still rough around the edges.
But it's, but it's better.

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Adam Curry: It remembers me.
That's cool. Okay.

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Dave Jones: How'd you get an A?
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Adam Curry: yeah. Remember me
right away? Oh, give permission

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authorized forever. Okay.

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Dave Jones: Oh, you're so this
was what was wrong with it last

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week is the son the signing from
the extensions. From the

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extension, the nostre extensions
was not working. So that was

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throwing everything off, that I
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turns out that the nostre tools
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underpins the nos 2x, browser
extension for noster. Those are

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two different versions. Well,
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Adam Curry: is Oh, it's not
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interestingly enough. Let's see,
what's it doing? Well, I see my

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little icon there. So I'm, I'm
in the boardroom. I type

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something like Hello. And I
click on enter and it doesn't

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show up.

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Dave Jones: That you logged in.
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Adam Curry: didn't have to log
in. It just showed up. My

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picture. Was there. Do I have to
log in again,

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Dave Jones: do no do a hard
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a control shift are hard because
you may you may have the old

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JavaScript code from previous
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Unknown: Okay, let's see. I
don't like

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Dave Jones: the old JavaScript
browser extension talk.

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Adam Curry: No, it's not working
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Dave Jones: Why did you? What a
downer? Well, I'm looking for

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me.

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Adam Curry: Okay, I'm gonna do
another hard refresh. Our

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refresh. The men's socks is
broken. Are you

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Dave Jones: already logged in?
Yes. How do I log in, log out

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and log back in? How do I let
you log out by clicking on your

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little avatar at the top? Let's

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Adam Curry: log out. Okay, bye.
Okay, I go back to the rosters

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announced this chat to your
noster feed. Sure. I'll be fun.

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Dave Jones: Just Adam curry just
entered the room. Yes. Hey, Oh,

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okay. Well, hey. All right.
There

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Adam Curry: we go. All right.
Hey, it works nice. So let's

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talk about that right away. What
what are we doing with this

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thing? This is cool. I think.

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Dave Jones: Well, it's funny in
a funny way, this encompasses a

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lot of stuff that we kind of
need to talk about. Okay. Um,

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Adam Curry: oh, um, hold on one
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I'm just looking at my my nostro
account and it says I joined the

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live stream chat. Yeah, that's
right. Oh, so now people from

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the snap store can come in
nostril from nostril? Yeah. Oh,

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that's kind of cool.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, nice. If you
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already. You bring it you can
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and just log straight in. And
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to your next to your profile
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the top and uncheck that box.
Yeah. Then you whenever you post

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something, it will not only go
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posted back out to your nostril
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Adam Curry: This is pretty
dynamite. Dave. I like it. Yeah.

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Okay. Okay, now, this is MK
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also work with IRC when there's
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what I type in here would also
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from IRC would also come in
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Dave Jones: And, and activity
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above. So the way you launch
this thing is with Oh, James is

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listening live that's rare for
him. So there's, the way this

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thing sort of works is when you
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end for this, you give it a
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that Cid equals up in the URL
bar. Yeah. And then you also

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give it a a private Oh, excuse
me a public key. So this, this

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would all like you, you can see
the linkages that would happen

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here. So you could give it an
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pull all this will start to pull
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bit of the nostril part of this
I'm doing is trying to get as

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the subscribe the nostril
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which will go out there. And if
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that's the ID equals the web,
the blah, blah, blah. So if you

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hashtag that on a nostril relay,
it would pull those posts back

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into the chat. Wow. Okay, that's
pretty cool. That is proving to

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be pretty challenging. I can
imagine it's more dis more

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difficult than I thought it was
going to be. But, so I went I

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went to the Bitcoin Bible study
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Adam Curry: is that what is
called Bitcoin Bible study? No,

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that's just what I call it. The
Bitcoin meter because you know,

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there is a Thank God it's
Bitcoin going on in Miami. They

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keep asking me to come to
Christian Bitcoin. Yeah, yeah,

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no, seriously is. Yeah, it's the
it's the guy who wrote the two

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guys who wrote the book, thank
God for Bitcoin and they have a

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conference and pastors calm and
all kinds of people come there.

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I mean, if it wasn't Miami, I
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Dave Jones: Yeah, I mean, like
we've already spent way too much

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time in Miami for your entire
life. Thank

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Adam Curry: you. Excellent
point. All right. So the Bitcoin

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Bible study and let me guess
there was a couple of gnostic

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Dave Jones: There was there was
a really big nostre dude, their

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guy named Randy from the Bitcoin
what's it called the Bitcoin?

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Adam Curry: Park Bitcoin
barking? Market? National. Sure,

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sure. Sure. Yeah. Which is the
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studios.

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Dave Jones: Is that what that
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to do something with it. So I
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Dave Jones: Well, the super nice
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Mr. noster. He's all over it.
Mr. noster. Jones brand

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ambassador.

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Adam Curry: Yeah.

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Dave Jones: So we were you know,
I got it was great, though. I

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got to chat with him and like,
pepper him with all the

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questions because I'm knee deep
in this code. And I found out

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some I found out some some
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right off the bat was, if I, I'm
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difficulty finding identities?
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Adam Curry: Because because they
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crossover. Right.

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Dave Jones: He said, That noster
dot wine. Do you know that?

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Really? No. Okay, it's nostrud
dot wine, like the drink Wi Fi.

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He said that relay cross posts,
amongst other relays. Oh, cool.

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Yeah, that's basically it looks
for and it looks for users that

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come in, and it finds new user
identities and reel in and

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reposts those metadata events to
all the other relies it knows

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about. So it's sort of like
it's, it's, we call it spreading

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the, the identities around the
network as best it can. This is

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obviously this is a good thing,
you know, for sure. But it's

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also very centralized. It's a
single Oh,

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Adam Curry: no, of course, and,
and it's bound to fail because

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unlike what we did, there's no
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incentive model. It's just not
built got into it. Yeah, you can

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say, oh people, would you please
zap me. But there's not really

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an incentive model.

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Dave Jones: Yeah. And so that's.
So that was kind of my first

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learnings. That was this. This
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it was. It's it's got, it's got
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they're being shored up by sort
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single points of failure.

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Adam Curry: And single points of
failure. If anyone else was

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single points of failure.

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Dave Jones: But it was funny
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what it is that I'm trying to
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there's an immediate there's an
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obviously live chat room. For
for a podcaster. That's easy to

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spin up and down. Right? That's,
that's the obvious and that

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there's a bigger issue.

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Adam Curry: It's still running
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Dave Jones: Yes, yes. This one
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but this could be Dockerized in
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anywhere you wanted to spin it
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matter. Cool. Very, very low,

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Adam Curry: not really on an
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then have SSL certs and all that
stuff. It's not that simple.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, well, you
could Yeah. True. I mean, if you

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had if you have us, you could
run it on a is running on a $5.

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Adam Curry: Yeah, okay. Got ya
got it.

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Dave Jones: Very, very low
resource. So, you know, this,

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this, the broader thing here,
that goes beyond just this

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immediate use case of of live
chat? is where do you Central?

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Where do you decentralized or
centralized things? And I think

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this is sort of a theme of what
we're of what we're kind of

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dealing with across the board. A
lot of various issues. Yes.

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Adam Curry: Yes. A lot of things
being discussed on the GitHub.

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Dave Jones: So, you know, a
thing can be here. So here's

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the, here's the first sort of
like, piece that, because I was

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talking, I was chatting with
Alex and I was like, trying to,

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you know, he was saying, you
know, what exactly is it that

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you're trying to do? And I was
like, you know, I know what I'm

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trying to do, but I don't know
how to explain it to you. And

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I'm glad he asked me the
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would I would just be still
living in my head. So this is

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this idea of where does the
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decentralization happen at what
point in the in the stack so to

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speak, if you think about it,
noster really isn't that much

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different. It wants to be
different. But in practice, it's

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really not that much different
than an activity than a mastodon

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server. You could have so look
at what MK Ultra is, or is about

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to be a private relay. With
chat. Okay, so that's not much

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different

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Adam Curry: than an activity pub
server with lying around.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, sure. Mastodon
Yeah. So that's the, if you

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think about it like that. What
what Matt, what noster wants to

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be in this is sort of the
weakness of the way that that

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has been talked about and sold
is right out of the gate. It's

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always, you know, censorship
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Adam Curry: Pura Pura Vida, Pura
Vida.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, right. It's
not it's not answerable. I can

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guarantee you if China wanted to
censor and get rid of all of the

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noster relays they could do it
in two seconds. It's just not

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that's not that's not the way to
talk about this thing. And it's

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also not It's not Bitcoin no
noster doesn't have anything to

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do with Bitcoin it's a
completely different thing. So

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it's just happens to be that a
Bitcoin guy wrote in so all the

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Bitcoin guys it's

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Adam Curry: it's like the beef
initiative is not really

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connected to Bitcoin just
happens that Bitcoiners

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gravitated towards buying beef
from ranchers with Bitcoin you

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can buy with your credit card.
It's the same as the same thing

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it's just associated and then
but they did add the zaps and

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that you know, which is all
Lightning Network and that kind

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of they are. That's something
that we discovered early on is

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when you give people a way to
use their Satoshis, or the

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Lightning Network, they will use
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Dave Jones: Yes. Yep. Good
point. That that's like that's

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the the first thing that sort of
like hits you is the identities

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part is what drives the whole
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key. Yes. Genius part of this.
Yep. And it's not that nobody

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else thought has thought of
distributed identities. It's

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just that I think that nostril
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system.

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Adam Curry: And I would add to
that, that exactly what you did

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here. And I think this is one of
the coolest things built with

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noster. So far, if you don't
mind me saying, because what I

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don't mind you saying? And I'll
say it a couple more times one

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of the coolest things ever built
for Nasir. And why is it cool?

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Because the minute I'm signing
into this chat room, which is

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you know, connect to something
else, I can immediately post

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that to my nostril feed, you
know, so you can you can post to

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a different relay a different
community, a different group,

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whatever it is, that I find that
incredibly cool, because I did

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it without a whole lot of
rigmarole and cross posting, I

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just I just checked the box and
say, yeah, oh, yeah, let

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everyone know that I'm over
here. And then people can use

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that same identity and come in
or they can spin up a new one,

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of course, and they can come
over and come in here. So it's I

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think I've always said it's like
the idea that I don't have to

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sign on to everything. That's
just the stuff that it works

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with. It's almost like like a
booster gram split by out of

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split, boom, I got stats, you
know, this world that I like

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Dave Jones: Yeah, that's a good
point. So like the throwaway

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nature of the identities is what
concerned me at the very

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beginning, I was like, you know,
I'm very I'm worried about the

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these these digital identities,
the encryption encrypted, I

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don't want you know, I don't
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And so the fact that you can
throw them away guy who

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Adam Curry: uses LastPass I
mean, come on.

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Dave Jones: Well, like there's I
don't know if there's this old

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episode of Robot Chicken, you
know, Robot Chicken. No. Like

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the I forgot what she was on
Comedy Central for a while. But

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there's this old Star Wars
Episode of Robot Chicken where

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he's like, where the, the
employees of the Deathstar.

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They're like, they're talking to
the new guy. And they're saying,

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okay, look, if Darth Vader acts
like he's choking you like with

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his forced choke thing? Yeah,
just just go with him pretend

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that you died. Because he really
doesn't have that power, but he

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thinks he does. And if he knows
that he doesn't have it, then

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he'll just kill us with his
lightsaber. So pretend to die

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when he tries to fit in like
choke you in the air with this.

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I got it I got the and then go
out of when they when the gas

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come and take drag you out of
the room. Then you can read you

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can dress up in different
clothes and put on put on some

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glasses and come back in the
room and change your name and

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you're good to go. Right. That's
what this that's what this is

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this yester identities exam.

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Unknown: Shot Carla 20 blades on
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Adam Curry: You said magic
words. Dave? We're not paying

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the rent this week. Yeah,
there's a 101 a 1010. From Mike

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Newman. Thank you, Mike. Still
here on my boostin keep on

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keeping on sally forth. This is
the way.

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Dave Jones: Yes. Thank you,
Mikey. Mike. Appreciate it.

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Yeah, but see me with that. So
you're communicating with a

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single server in this instance.
And that is really not that's

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not a bad thing. I think that's
really where where this comes

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down to is like, where in the
stack? Are we going to

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decentralize podcasts. Let's
just take a step back.

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Podcasting is a very centralized
thing. We don't we don't think

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about it that way. But there's
very few CD look, take a look at

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John Spurlock's analysis of how
many CD ends there are

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Adam Curry: like eight or
something is that's

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Dave Jones: yeah, and not a no
and probably 70% of podcasts are

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served out of about three.
There, there's very little. So

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once you get back past there and
get down into the sort of like

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bottom 5%, then you start to get
a lot of dispersion. But for the

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most part, podcasting is very
centralized on the delivery

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front. And it's something we're
not going to change and we don't

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necessarily need to change that.
We really don't like that.

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Changing that if you want to go
let's say you wanted to go fully

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decentralized all the way down
the stack to the bottom. That is

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difficult, very difficult.
You're gonna have to start using

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like a DHT type system, and that
kind of thing and you're, you're

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going you're not we're not going
to get anywhere with that in the

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current The landscape because
the need is not there. Right

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now, if, if the need ever became
severe, like if there was ever a

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huge like, you know, I don't
know government crackdowns or

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whatever you want to say
something like that, well, then,

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then those other solutions are
there to be rolled and we could

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roll them. But for the what for
the way that things are now

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Adam Curry: really don't have to
worry about it too much. No. And

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Dave Jones: so I think that the
the sort of, I'm thinking of it

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is more or less in terms of
decentralization than sort of re

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centralization. And what I mean
is like, if you it's not like

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oxygen, where it's just
available in the air everywhere

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around you. That's not really
what we want to go for. We want

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to go for more of a model of
like gas stations or libraries,

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where if this one's closed,

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Adam Curry: you can move on to
down. Here's, here's me

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immediately when I want from
this, is, I want the IRC bridge.

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But that's not even the most
important thing, strangely

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enough, I want the boost bot. So
and here's a way actually, that

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here's a money making
opportunity. These things pop

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into my head, I will gladly put
a split into my value block in

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order to have a chat set up and
hosted, which includes any

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booster grams that come into
that split? How about that?

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Dave Jones: well, that was the
original idea for MK Ultra. So

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they didn't like it in booster
grams as well. I like it. So it

439
00:26:40,350 --> 00:26:44,010
becomes a huge supercharged so
remember, the ultimate goal also

440
00:26:44,010 --> 00:26:48,240
of MK Ultra is that, at the end
of the chat set at the end of

441
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:53,460
the show, you export the
transcript of all the comments

442
00:26:53,490 --> 00:27:00,870
out and it becomes a super chat,
a super chat dialogue that can

443
00:27:00,870 --> 00:27:04,110
replay along with the published
episodes so that you can see in

444
00:27:04,110 --> 00:27:07,560
real time where the booths came
in where the chat right comments

445
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,790
happened. Right, right, right.
And I love that by the way that

446
00:27:11,790 --> 00:27:15,780
that control is also controlled
by the check box. So by default,

447
00:27:15,780 --> 00:27:19,350
everything's checked, the check
box is checked. And if that's

448
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:24,150
checked, then your comments will
not be output in the final

449
00:27:24,150 --> 00:27:27,780
transcript. If it's unchecked,
and then they will go that

450
00:27:27,810 --> 00:27:30,750
you're telling you're letting
the chat room know I'm okay with

451
00:27:30,750 --> 00:27:32,820
my comments being part of the
published

452
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,210
Adam Curry: God transcript God
Oh, yeah, that's a femoral. Got

453
00:27:36,210 --> 00:27:37,980
it. Privacy by default

454
00:27:37,980 --> 00:27:41,970
Dave Jones: is what this is. And
then then you you can control it

455
00:27:41,970 --> 00:27:48,120
by the checkbox. But, but I
think this, this also like, sort

456
00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:51,570
of like, step in and stop me if
you want to jump in here. I'm

457
00:27:51,570 --> 00:27:53,040
just I'm kind of Soliloquy
homeless.

458
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,480
Adam Curry: And I'm just
listening. I'm loving. I'm

459
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,380
seeing people coming in from
noster. Because I yeah, I

460
00:27:58,410 --> 00:28:02,100
announced it and I did I unclick
the box for a moment found a bug

461
00:28:02,100 --> 00:28:04,890
too. We'll talk about that
later. Okay. You know, me

462
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:05,700
breaking stuff.

463
00:28:07,290 --> 00:28:08,550
Dave Jones: That's what you're
valuable.

464
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:11,520
Adam Curry: Oh, I'm valuable.
Thank you.

465
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:13,740
Dave Jones: Values.

466
00:28:14,670 --> 00:28:17,250
Adam Curry: I mean, useful
wagon. Yeah, I mean, I

467
00:28:17,250 --> 00:28:20,460
immediately like this, I
immediately am drawn to it, not

468
00:28:20,490 --> 00:28:24,630
just back to the centralization.
This stream is centralized.

469
00:28:25,020 --> 00:28:31,020
There are like 25 shows that run
on no agenda stream.com and run

470
00:28:31,020 --> 00:28:34,650
on the same IRC server, which is
void zero server. It's been that

471
00:28:34,650 --> 00:28:39,930
way for 14 years. And it is
entirely centralized. We're just

472
00:28:39,930 --> 00:28:44,280
using a different room. So I
really dig the idea of of

473
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:49,980
spawning this out. And brother I
have if we're done with this, I

474
00:28:49,980 --> 00:28:53,310
can move on to the next thing
I've been thinking about. Okay,

475
00:28:53,700 --> 00:28:55,260
unless there's more you want to
finish this up.

476
00:28:56,370 --> 00:28:58,560
Dave Jones: There there I want
to talk about Daniel J. Lewis,

477
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,190
his comments thing, but but I
can probably fit it in anywhere.

478
00:29:02,190 --> 00:29:02,910
So go ahead.

479
00:29:05,730 --> 00:29:08,460
Adam Curry: Let's do that. Let's
let's move from that. And I'll

480
00:29:08,460 --> 00:29:12,030
come in, cuz I got stuff about
music, but it also is related to

481
00:29:12,030 --> 00:29:15,600
that. It's just been a lot going
on. And what happened was, we

482
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,210
had a meet up, and I flew to
Nashville.

483
00:29:19,290 --> 00:29:20,220
Dave Jones: Yeah. How

484
00:29:20,220 --> 00:29:24,300
Adam Curry: was that go by so I
flew, right. And we took my

485
00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:28,200
instructor and Tina she knows
Tina had never been in a four

486
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,900
seater before. Now this is a
very you know, you're I rented

487
00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:34,530
this plane, I could not afford
to buy it. This is like a $1.3

488
00:29:34,530 --> 00:29:37,410
million plane has a parachute.
It's like a you know, it's like

489
00:29:37,470 --> 00:29:42,780
a luxury sports car in the air.
And now Nashville, turns out

490
00:29:42,780 --> 00:29:47,910
it's pretty far. Three and a
half hours. And the whole point

491
00:29:47,910 --> 00:29:52,530
for me was it was a I saved up
all of my a lot of my instrument

492
00:29:52,530 --> 00:29:56,760
instruction lessons and took
this because I actually had, you

493
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,510
know, three and a half hours to
really look at this The Garmin

494
00:30:00,510 --> 00:30:04,200
1000 You know, just flying, you
know, a lesson for an hour and a

495
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,810
half every couple of weeks, you
don't really get into it. It's

496
00:30:06,810 --> 00:30:10,650
like, like a Chinese menu on a
phone. You know, it's like you

497
00:30:10,650 --> 00:30:14,550
got, there's a lot of menus and
sub menus and a lot of stuff

498
00:30:14,550 --> 00:30:17,760
going on. So once I'd figured
that out after an hour, you

499
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,450
know, it's pretty boring. By the
way, I just have to tell you one

500
00:30:21,450 --> 00:30:25,620
thing. So on departure Monday
morning, we're at Gillespie

501
00:30:25,620 --> 00:30:27,720
airport, which is five minutes
from our house. Everything's

502
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,380
beautiful, right? Amy Lynn has
brought the plane she's my my

503
00:30:31,380 --> 00:30:35,370
instructor. It's all filled up.
We're good to go. We get in Tina

504
00:30:35,370 --> 00:30:38,040
has done her like okay, it's
pretty small. It's roomy,

505
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,350
actually in the back. It's quite
roomy, his leather seats, you

506
00:30:40,350 --> 00:30:45,450
know, it's comfortable. And so
there's one runway, and it's a

507
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,420
it's a pilot controlled
airfield, so there's no tower

508
00:30:48,420 --> 00:30:51,840
and you basically talk to each
other. And the wind was

509
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,770
variable. So was five knots one
this direction five knots, that

510
00:30:55,770 --> 00:30:58,530
direction moved around. So we
decided we're going to take off

511
00:30:58,530 --> 00:31:02,070
07. So we're at the end of the
runway, not on the runway, but

512
00:31:02,070 --> 00:31:04,620
you know, you're holding short
of the runway, and we're waiting

513
00:31:04,620 --> 00:31:08,520
for this one lady who's coming
in from Austin, I think to land

514
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,900
and she decided to land the
opposite direction, which is

515
00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:16,020
okay, but when then you have
wind at your back. And you know,

516
00:31:16,050 --> 00:31:18,570
it can be a little tricky. You
want to land and take off into

517
00:31:18,570 --> 00:31:21,570
the wind. We're watching her
because we're gonna we're gonna

518
00:31:21,570 --> 00:31:25,050
line up and take off once she's
off the runway. We're watching

519
00:31:25,050 --> 00:31:30,000
her land, she bounces bounces up
30 feet and crash lands right in

520
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,440
front of us. Like, oh, no
GearSlutz than it knows that it

521
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,200
didn't go all the way over noses
over the prop hits the ground,

522
00:31:37,410 --> 00:31:41,700
lot of dust. And Tina goes. I
didn't need to see that.

523
00:31:42,540 --> 00:31:45,090
Dave Jones: Okay, yeah, that's
bad to say, this is not a good

524
00:31:45,090 --> 00:31:48,840
thing. I mean, kudos that she
did not bail out.

525
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:52,140
Adam Curry: Oh, man. She is the
bravest passenger I've ever seen

526
00:31:52,140 --> 00:31:54,750
in my life. She actually said,
No, it's in God's hands. Let's

527
00:31:54,750 --> 00:31:57,180
go. But we had to wait for an
hour. And it was a whole bunch

528
00:31:57,180 --> 00:31:59,760
of stuff going on. But I've
never seen a crash land in my

529
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,310
life. Neither of my instructors
like one of those things. And

530
00:32:02,550 --> 00:32:05,580
when we're on our way for this
long trip, and Tina sees as

531
00:32:05,580 --> 00:32:08,520
like, holy crap, can't believe
that. Anyway,

532
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,930
Dave Jones: man is like, what
she's what she inside, like

533
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,110
really kind of freaking out who
she was she nervous?

534
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,000
Adam Curry: She said this. And
that doesn't make me happy, I

535
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:23,160
think is what she said. She
said, No, I'm good. I'm good.

536
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,990
What are the chances of
something happened again?

537
00:32:25,260 --> 00:32:28,230
Anyway, so the night before, we
had just been to see Mercy Me in

538
00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:32,610
San Antonio. And I'd never
really quite been to a show like

539
00:32:32,610 --> 00:32:35,700
that. And there was a lot going
on with screens. And the

540
00:32:35,700 --> 00:32:38,280
audience was fantastic. These
guys are all no agenda fans of

541
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,670
them. It was a whole love fest.
But it's been a while since I've

542
00:32:41,670 --> 00:32:46,080
been to a concert with 3000
people. So as always impresses

543
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,830
me, you know, the live concert.
And then in Nashville, we're in

544
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:53,880
Nashville. I'm talking to Jeff
Smith. So I came back and we had

545
00:32:54,060 --> 00:32:57,390
headwind on the way back, so it
was even a longer trip. So my

546
00:32:57,390 --> 00:33:01,260
head is just filled with music
ideas. Now, back to the

547
00:33:01,260 --> 00:33:06,090
comments. Back Back to the
comments. Daniel Jays comments,

548
00:33:06,090 --> 00:33:11,130
because what's happened here is
my eyes glazed over the same on

549
00:33:11,130 --> 00:33:16,110
the GitHub, and it took me a
long time to kind of parse

550
00:33:16,110 --> 00:33:22,380
through it and figure out maybe
it's a good starting point. I

551
00:33:22,380 --> 00:33:24,330
forget all the reasoning,
because I think that's actually

552
00:33:24,330 --> 00:33:28,110
the biggest distraction. The the
reason why nothing has been

553
00:33:28,110 --> 00:33:30,660
implemented, why activity pub
isn't all the way there or

554
00:33:30,660 --> 00:33:33,570
hasn't been done all the way
yet. I think it has nothing to

555
00:33:33,570 --> 00:33:38,820
do with technology. The way I
see it is, of course, there the

556
00:33:39,210 --> 00:33:47,490
podcasts or creates, in essence,
a rude comment and uses some non

557
00:33:47,490 --> 00:33:51,660
existent API server that adds
these comments to pretty much a

558
00:33:51,660 --> 00:33:56,130
single file. So an app then only
has to do two things. It has to

559
00:33:56,130 --> 00:34:00,330
suck in that file to display the
comments, then it has to provide

560
00:34:00,540 --> 00:34:05,970
a web hook from the app to the
API server, which does not exist

561
00:34:05,970 --> 00:34:09,690
yet the same as this, you know,
same as the this chat server

562
00:34:09,690 --> 00:34:12,870
doesn't exist yet. Yeah, we have
one. But the podcaster would

563
00:34:12,870 --> 00:34:15,660
have to have that or have access
to that. And that's what you

564
00:34:15,660 --> 00:34:19,140
post, it adds to the file and
then the file is parsed. It

565
00:34:19,140 --> 00:34:23,070
seems like a pretty simple idea.
Is that is that kind of the way

566
00:34:23,070 --> 00:34:24,450
and is that a correct view of
it?

567
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,310
Dave Jones: Yes, I think so.
It's Yes, it's not it's an API

568
00:34:29,310 --> 00:34:35,490
that is just in the IDF are in
the build phase at this at this

569
00:34:35,490 --> 00:34:41,400
point. But it's supposed to be a
simple. The podcast app just

570
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:46,830
sends a single API request to
post the comment. It gets stored

571
00:34:46,830 --> 00:34:50,790
in an in a JSON file after it
allows for moderation by the

572
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:55,290
podcaster. And then it's
immediately available that JSON

573
00:34:55,290 --> 00:34:57,510
file is immediately available to
be sending. Yes.

574
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,160
Adam Curry: And and luckily
There was a flag in there that

575
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,130
you can go back to moderate it
later and not have to moderate

576
00:35:05,130 --> 00:35:08,910
every single post. I would not
want to do that. That sounds

577
00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:12,120
sounds pretty simple. I don't
know exactly how much different

578
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,600
it is from what you know. Or if
it's something we need to stop

579
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,330
and do that instead of the
activity pub, which seems to be

580
00:35:18,570 --> 00:35:22,740
so close yet so far away. So
what are your thoughts pod sage?

581
00:35:25,350 --> 00:35:26,970
Dave Jones: Well, I mean, what
are your thoughts first?

582
00:35:29,010 --> 00:35:33,000
Adam Curry: My Well, I have
different thoughts. Because what

583
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:38,070
I'm really, and I put this on
the social and no one responded

584
00:35:38,070 --> 00:35:43,260
to it, which means I'm probably
right on the mark. It appears to

585
00:35:43,260 --> 00:35:48,060
me that the biggest problem with
this particular feature is that

586
00:35:48,060 --> 00:35:52,320
is being talked about as if it's
a podcast, podcast or feature.

587
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,640
And I, I have to kind of
disagree. It is a podcast app

588
00:35:56,670 --> 00:36:02,790
feature. And, and and, and I
remember from over two years

589
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:06,300
ago, when when we started cross
app comments, this is how long

590
00:36:06,300 --> 00:36:11,340
it's been. It's it's not worked.
And I think I remember Martin

591
00:36:11,370 --> 00:36:15,060
pod friend Martin saying, Well,
I don't want my app, which is

592
00:36:15,060 --> 00:36:19,410
called pod friend. i It's
unfriendly if you can't comment

593
00:36:19,410 --> 00:36:25,530
on every single podcast, and he
feels and I completely

594
00:36:25,530 --> 00:36:30,030
understand. And I think I agree
with him, that comments are part

595
00:36:30,030 --> 00:36:35,520
of his platform, not necessarily
the podcasters platform, because

596
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,660
it's his app. And with that come
comes all kinds of issues like,

597
00:36:39,660 --> 00:36:44,580
well, what if am I going to get
emails now saying, I don't like

598
00:36:44,580 --> 00:36:48,690
what this guy said, kick him
off, this is a bad word, who is

599
00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:51,570
who is the moderation part is
going to be interesting, because

600
00:36:51,570 --> 00:36:56,670
ultimately, it is displayed on
his app. And I believe that is

601
00:36:56,670 --> 00:37:00,180
the reason why we have not seen
it implemented. Because

602
00:37:00,330 --> 00:37:04,470
everyone's a one man band.
Everyone's strapped for time.

603
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:11,820
This may be just too much for a,
an app developer to take on. And

604
00:37:11,820 --> 00:37:16,110
also, I also heard what Marco
said, and you know, like him or

605
00:37:16,110 --> 00:37:18,930
not, he said, I don't want
people telling me what to do.

606
00:37:19,770 --> 00:37:22,530
And it's a little bit of telling
people what to do in this

607
00:37:22,530 --> 00:37:26,940
conversation. And I'm, I'm
pulling back, because I don't

608
00:37:26,940 --> 00:37:29,670
think it's a technical
implementation problem. I think

609
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:34,320
it's the I know some of the
personalities here. And I think

610
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,620
that people like well, you know,
I'm not so yes, I did look at

611
00:37:37,620 --> 00:37:39,990
the GitHub while flying. Okay,
I'll answer your question.

612
00:37:40,350 --> 00:37:43,770
Dave Jones: You also texted me,
scared me to death pictures.

613
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,040
Adam Curry: From 9006, it
actually works. I was quite

614
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:52,500
amazed how T Mobile baby works
at 9000 feet. So I think we're

615
00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:53,760
having the wrong discussion.

616
00:37:56,970 --> 00:38:01,920
Dave Jones: There, yeah. Maybe
not the wrong discussion, maybe

617
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,390
just two different discussions.
And in one of them, maybe not

618
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:10,230
even being spoken. But there's
the text. There's the technical

619
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:16,230
aspect of of the of the thing.
And then there's the then

620
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:22,770
there's the the sort of
political ethical stuff on top.

621
00:38:23,220 --> 00:38:26,160
And this is very like, like I
said, this is one of those weeks

622
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,400
where it's like, everything is
loosely connected to each other.

623
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:34,110
And yes, in a weird way. Because
there's another aspect of this

624
00:38:34,110 --> 00:38:35,970
that I don't want to muddy the
water with, but I want to talk

625
00:38:35,970 --> 00:38:36,330
about it.

626
00:38:37,170 --> 00:38:37,680
Adam Curry: In the dirt.

627
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:44,310
Dave Jones: It's also all up in
there. That so the technical on

628
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:46,770
the technical side of things, I
had no problem with what Daniels

629
00:38:46,770 --> 00:38:52,020
do. And I think I think it's
fine. I mean, what we want for

630
00:38:52,020 --> 00:38:58,740
an app is simplicity. Yeah, we
see that we see the struggles of

631
00:38:58,740 --> 00:39:01,740
decentralization that are
happening with the noster apps.

632
00:39:01,980 --> 00:39:04,680
They're killing people's battery
life, because they're they're

633
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,590
keeping WebSockets open to 12
different servers at the same

634
00:39:07,590 --> 00:39:12,750
time. There's that sort of
decentralization is difficult.

635
00:39:12,990 --> 00:39:17,820
And I get and I get that. So
from that standpoint, anything

636
00:39:17,820 --> 00:39:20,220
that can be done to simplify and
this is this is what I was

637
00:39:20,220 --> 00:39:22,530
talking about, with Where do you
decentralize? We're in the

638
00:39:22,530 --> 00:39:26,730
stack. And I think we need to
sort of come come to terms with

639
00:39:26,730 --> 00:39:31,080
where this is supposed to be.
Because if you push the

640
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:36,390
decentralization, all the way
down to the mobile app, that is

641
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:39,750
a big burden for that for that
app to carry. Not only in terms

642
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:44,130
of have to have resources, and
complexity, but also in terms of

643
00:39:44,130 --> 00:39:47,880
App Store review. Oh, yes,
absolutely. Yeah, there's a lot

644
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,560
of challenges there. So if you
if we can move this thing up the

645
00:39:52,560 --> 00:40:03,540
stack a bit to where we envision
this okay, envision envision

646
00:40:03,540 --> 00:40:07,680
that Daniel J. Lewis is API
concept is full, it is

647
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:15,300
functional. And transistor
implements it. Transistor now

648
00:40:15,390 --> 00:40:22,110
offers this API solution for its
podcasters. And they podcasters

649
00:40:22,110 --> 00:40:29,100
then can can allow comments to
happen on their own on their

650
00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:33,150
shows. And they they can have
some sort of moderation if they

651
00:40:33,150 --> 00:40:37,740
want or whatever. And then the
podcast app, all it has to do is

652
00:40:37,740 --> 00:40:41,220
Adam Curry: just add a web hook
and parse that JSON file

653
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,040
Dave Jones: was not even it
wasn't even web hook like the

654
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,270
app can, I mean, jumping from
the posting site? So from so the

655
00:40:48,270 --> 00:40:51,330
listener can just post a
comment, it goes to a REST API,

656
00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:53,460
boom, done. Easy, simple.

657
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,170
Adam Curry: That's what I'm
that's what I mean by web hook,

658
00:40:55,170 --> 00:40:58,500
you press a button and it goes
on that API server. Right.

659
00:40:58,770 --> 00:41:03,810
Dave Jones: Exactly. And so this
thing is you, you do need some

660
00:41:03,810 --> 00:41:08,310
sort of, there's, there's, there
are challenges with this. Yeah.

661
00:41:08,310 --> 00:41:08,820
And they can

662
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:12,900
Adam Curry: have some kind of
identity. You need an identity,

663
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,500
what you've just built. You just
built the entire identity piece

664
00:41:16,500 --> 00:41:17,850
to that the way I see it.

665
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,520
Dave Jones: Well Nasir built it
we industrious guy. Yeah, yeah,

666
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:26,160
the identity can be it. But
their spam control. There's all

667
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:26,730
the things that

668
00:41:27,930 --> 00:41:31,080
Adam Curry: there's a lot of
bull crap to go to go down. Oh,

669
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,790
yeah. Absolutely.

670
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:35,040
Dave Jones: Yep. And just
because you have a throwaway

671
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,140
identity doesn't mean that
you're going to solve any of

672
00:41:37,140 --> 00:41:42,060
those problems. Right. So So I
like I think the simplicity of

673
00:41:42,060 --> 00:41:47,910
it is, is is perfect. And

674
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,390
Adam Curry: it holds me, let me
stop you. And the point. And I

675
00:41:51,390 --> 00:41:55,290
think the point you're making
suddenly, is that all of those

676
00:41:55,290 --> 00:41:59,460
problems have already been
addressed on activity pub slash

677
00:41:59,460 --> 00:42:03,570
mastered on a lot of those
problems.

678
00:42:06,030 --> 00:42:08,220
Dave Jones: I guess I am saying
that, but I'm not saying it on

679
00:42:08,220 --> 00:42:09,120
purpose. Okay.

680
00:42:09,150 --> 00:42:13,560
Adam Curry: I know I know. But
but the fact is, spam issues

681
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,860
have ordered em blocking and
moderation is a very rich

682
00:42:16,860 --> 00:42:20,070
moderation interface. You can
block and you know, all kinds of

683
00:42:20,070 --> 00:42:23,610
things activity pub through
Mastodon has all of that.

684
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,790
Dave Jones: It also has. Yeah,
yeah, James is right. Those

685
00:42:29,790 --> 00:42:31,620
problems have been addressed at
baster games, too, with a

686
00:42:31,620 --> 00:42:34,500
different a different sort of
bar to jump over, which is the

687
00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:35,670
pay pay part. Yes. The

688
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:38,460
Adam Curry: pay part, which I
also agree with, which is, which

689
00:42:38,460 --> 00:42:41,760
is probably why Fountain has not
had, as far as I know, is zero

690
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,630
problems with boosted grants,
because people just don't know

691
00:42:45,660 --> 00:42:49,140
pay to spam that much. It's just
not a very good business model.

692
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,560
Dave Jones: Yeah. So I think
what the so you have these

693
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,500
different bar these different
sorts of bars you can set to pay

694
00:42:55,500 --> 00:42:59,610
for people to jump over to to
help the spam issue. One of

695
00:42:59,610 --> 00:43:02,820
those bar in the bar and the
fountain comment system is

696
00:43:02,820 --> 00:43:08,190
money. The bar and the mastodon
system is things like a private

697
00:43:08,190 --> 00:43:11,790
registration. Moderate you have
moderators,

698
00:43:12,570 --> 00:43:15,180
Adam Curry: you can get kicked
off. Yeah. Oh, yeah. All that.

699
00:43:15,180 --> 00:43:17,790
Yeah. Amen. Pure Vita. If you're

700
00:43:18,990 --> 00:43:21,990
Dave Jones: on the bar that was
implemented on the noster side,

701
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:28,500
or is being implemented. It's
getting better is the stir fry.

702
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,740
Adam Curry: It is getting
better. And there's something

703
00:43:31,740 --> 00:43:36,210
that I've noticed, there is a
community aspect. And I don't

704
00:43:36,210 --> 00:43:40,260
know how to implement I'm sure
it's some nip somewhere that

705
00:43:40,260 --> 00:43:45,510
people can block a post and then
it'll show up in your timeline,

706
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:48,510
but it says, you know, blocked
by these 3000 people and then

707
00:43:48,660 --> 00:43:52,890
basically you don't look at it.
Okay, so there's there's fun

708
00:43:52,890 --> 00:43:55,590
stuff like that being developed.
It's like, create like a

709
00:43:55,590 --> 00:43:57,420
crowdsource crowdsourcing time.
Yeah, of course, of course. And

710
00:43:57,420 --> 00:44:00,420
there's also the thread from
hell, which I've been put on,

711
00:44:00,540 --> 00:44:03,210
which never goes away, and then
you know, you have to deal with

712
00:44:03,210 --> 00:44:04,950
that. Right, right.

713
00:44:06,270 --> 00:44:09,660
Dave Jones: So then I think I
think in Daniels mind what he's

714
00:44:09,690 --> 00:44:15,240
what he's envisioning is the
bar. The the bar for keeping

715
00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:20,070
that stuff at bay within his
idea is the moderation part that

716
00:44:20,070 --> 00:44:24,060
things won't show up until it's
approved by the podcaster. Now,

717
00:44:24,060 --> 00:44:28,740
that's, that's a very, that's
gonna have to take it's gonna

718
00:44:28,740 --> 00:44:30,300
take a lot of work. Well, it

719
00:44:30,300 --> 00:44:36,840
Adam Curry: also it won't work
that way. Because people want

720
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,630
instant gratification if you
post a comment, and it doesn't

721
00:44:39,630 --> 00:44:42,840
show up because it has to be
moderated. People won't use it.

722
00:44:43,530 --> 00:44:46,170
If and then you get into exactly
what you're saying. Then you

723
00:44:46,170 --> 00:44:49,800
have to get into well who's
approved to post so you get into

724
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,290
all that stuff and you
ultimately get into some kind of

725
00:44:52,290 --> 00:44:56,130
sort of registration. These are
these are problems that are so

726
00:44:56,220 --> 00:44:59,610
this is why discus never really
worked, you know, turn into a

727
00:44:59,610 --> 00:45:02,010
spam thing, then they actually
became a spam company

728
00:45:02,010 --> 00:45:07,710
themselves. It's comments are
very, very, very hard they are.

729
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,100
And the more I look at what
you've built here, the more I

730
00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:13,890
like that we could actually have
boosted Graham's flip flow

731
00:45:13,890 --> 00:45:17,160
through here. And, you know,
this may be a version of

732
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,400
something that works even just
for comments, not just for chat,

733
00:45:20,460 --> 00:45:21,780
you know, ephemeral or not?

734
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,950
Dave Jones: Well, so then
that's, that's worth pointing

735
00:45:25,950 --> 00:45:29,700
out here. This, this this chat,
the MK Ultra has the same

736
00:45:29,700 --> 00:45:34,650
problem. It can it can it's also
subject to spam, you know, spam

737
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:42,090
bombing. Yeah. And the the bar
for entry there is ephemerality

738
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:45,630
so that it, it, it only lasts
for a certain period of time.

739
00:45:45,660 --> 00:45:48,810
Yes. That's, it's still not
immune from it. So that's got to

740
00:45:48,810 --> 00:45:51,810
be it's got to be dealt with
here. So I guess I'm not I'm

741
00:45:51,810 --> 00:45:55,680
not. So I'm not trying to diss,
talk these things down and just

742
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,520
say, I'm just trying to be,
let's be honest about all these

743
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,690
difficulties. Yes. And then the
bit that's, that's on the

744
00:46:03,690 --> 00:46:07,890
posting side on the console. So
then you have this C, which

745
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,520
we've done here is moved this up
the stack to the word so the

746
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:17,550
center it's centralized. At the
at transistor now, in this

747
00:46:17,550 --> 00:46:22,590
hypothetical future world,
transistor is running the

748
00:46:22,590 --> 00:46:28,020
service. It's, it's, it's, it's
a single call to them for this

749
00:46:28,050 --> 00:46:33,150
for posting to one of their
podcasters the comments. Then,

750
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:41,190
at that point, you have you have
a de json file of full of all

751
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:47,220
these comments that you can then
distribute. So so what I'm what

752
00:46:47,220 --> 00:46:50,730
I'm envisioning, is this youth.
You're not You're not, it

753
00:46:50,730 --> 00:46:53,100
doesn't have to just because
it's centralized. Oh, you

754
00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:57,540
Adam Curry: just blew my mind.
Did uh, yeah, keep going? I like

755
00:46:57,540 --> 00:46:58,410
it. Yeah. Blew my mind.

756
00:46:59,009 --> 00:47:01,649
Dave Jones: Yeah. So you're,
you're, you've moved the

757
00:47:01,649 --> 00:47:06,629
decentralization up one step to
where now, transistor or some

758
00:47:06,629 --> 00:47:10,619
third party can come in, read
those comments and distribute

759
00:47:10,619 --> 00:47:16,229
them to other systems? Yes.
Activity pub noster. You know,

760
00:47:17,099 --> 00:47:21,449
all the different commenting
systems, yes. out there. Like,

761
00:47:22,049 --> 00:47:26,549
and that that is in they can
also go back that way. If the if

762
00:47:26,609 --> 00:47:30,719
if you wanted to continue to
expand the system and say, Okay,

763
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,559
well, we're going to put just
just like MK Archer, we're going

764
00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:37,289
to, we're going to send things
out. And then we're also going

765
00:47:37,289 --> 00:47:42,359
to pull things back in. If, you
know, if we choose as you choose

766
00:47:42,359 --> 00:47:47,849
to plug these two these these
things in. I just think that I

767
00:47:47,849 --> 00:47:52,229
think they just it's going to be
just very, very difficult to

768
00:47:53,939 --> 00:47:57,479
decentralize things all the way
down to the app level. Oh, and

769
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,450
Adam Curry: I agree, and I'm not
sure who's pushing this

770
00:48:00,450 --> 00:48:01,950
decentralization talk.

771
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,040
Dave Jones: Well, I don't think
there's anybody pushing it. It's

772
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,870
just that I think that's what we
as technical people in private

773
00:48:09,870 --> 00:48:14,010
and privacy minded people, and
we don't like, you know, nobody

774
00:48:14,010 --> 00:48:17,610
likes to be censored. I think we
want the decentral just just

775
00:48:17,610 --> 00:48:21,360
like the nostril people are just
infatuated with saying that this

776
00:48:21,390 --> 00:48:23,790
is censorship resistant, and
it's decentralized.

777
00:48:23,820 --> 00:48:26,580
Adam Curry: I think it's, you
know, that's a marketing bit.

778
00:48:26,580 --> 00:48:29,910
That's, that's mainly that who
never says that developers. I've

779
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:33,000
never seen a developer say that.
That's the people who are in

780
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:37,080
there and are infatuated and
happy and jacked and pura vida.

781
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:42,210
Dave Jones: It's a trick. It's
an attractive thing to want.

782
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:48,180
Yeah. It, it's just, it's just
very, very hard. And it doesn't

783
00:48:48,180 --> 00:48:52,980
really fit with what podcasting
that like the infrastructure

784
00:48:52,980 --> 00:48:58,260
that podcasting exists in right
now. Anyway. I mean, like, I

785
00:48:58,260 --> 00:49:00,360
mean, same thing, same thing
with POD ping, we've done the

786
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,560
same thing. Pod ping is
decentralized across across a

787
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,910
public blockchain. But 99% of
the people that's in pod pings

788
00:49:08,910 --> 00:49:11,700
do it through pod ping dot Club,
which is a single point exactly.

789
00:49:12,510 --> 00:49:17,430
It's like, where you you need a
reliable single point in a lot

790
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:20,520
of in a lot of cases, you need a
reliable single communications

791
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:25,380
point to receive this this item,
and then send it out right to

792
00:49:25,380 --> 00:49:28,950
various so that it becomes
decentralized. It's not it's not

793
00:49:29,070 --> 00:49:31,140
necessarily born
decentralization,

794
00:49:31,170 --> 00:49:32,700
Adam Curry: this kind of fits
with everything we've been

795
00:49:32,700 --> 00:49:36,930
doing. It's the same thing as a
wallet. You know, and certainly

796
00:49:36,930 --> 00:49:40,290
in the beginning, there was a
lot of pushback on us in

797
00:49:40,290 --> 00:49:43,830
particular, well, you guys are
just centralizing the Lightning

798
00:49:43,830 --> 00:49:49,440
Network here. And so there was a
big push all get your own node,

799
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,310
get your own umbra, which turns
out to be quite complicated for

800
00:49:53,310 --> 00:49:58,680
most mere mortals. Sorry,
Carmen. And, and then of course,

801
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,650
you know, along comes and out it
like get Alby and there's all

802
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:06,000
there's more. And you know it no
one complains. While they're

803
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,430
Satoshi. You know, there's, we
have all these centralized

804
00:50:08,430 --> 00:50:10,230
solutions for the Lightning
Network and no one's

805
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:13,470
complaining. So there's all this
idealism, but then it always

806
00:50:13,470 --> 00:50:18,750
comes back to reality. And now I
operate on my own wallet to my

807
00:50:18,750 --> 00:50:24,240
own nodes, with, you know, with
the predictable experience, from

808
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:27,240
time to time, I miss a huge
boost. Why, because something

809
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:31,260
went wrong and went offline or
something happened. This is just

810
00:50:31,260 --> 00:50:34,290
what it is. So there's going to
be the same for if this is the

811
00:50:34,290 --> 00:50:37,860
way we implement cross app
comments. It isn't in fact, the

812
00:50:37,860 --> 00:50:42,000
same for your transcripts, it is
the same for your chapters, you

813
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:46,020
can host it somewhere else host
it yourself. The option, I think

814
00:50:46,020 --> 00:50:49,140
is what makes it interesting.
And that, to me is ultimately

815
00:50:49,140 --> 00:50:52,710
the when I think censorship, I
don't think China, I think

816
00:50:53,130 --> 00:50:56,520
transistor didn't like me, or
someone called transistor and

817
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:00,630
said, Hi, where the IRS we're
going to, we're going to audit

818
00:51:00,630 --> 00:51:03,900
you in less you kick curry off
your system. So I will be able

819
00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:08,310
to take my little comments or my
transcripts and put them on a

820
00:51:08,310 --> 00:51:11,280
different server, and everything
would continue as normal. That

821
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:12,960
to me is censorship resistant.

822
00:51:14,220 --> 00:51:17,040
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. You're
You're that's, that's go. And

823
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,680
that's arriving at the gas
station, finding out that

824
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,780
they're closed and then driving
down the street to a different

825
00:51:21,780 --> 00:51:22,470
gas station.

826
00:51:22,529 --> 00:51:23,879
Adam Curry: Now. Can I move to
music?

827
00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:27,660
Dave Jones: You will? Let me

828
00:51:27,690 --> 00:51:29,280
Adam Curry: I'm waiting for you
to wrap this up.

829
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,510
Dave Jones: Yes, yes, you are
allowed to move to music?

830
00:51:36,540 --> 00:51:38,880
Adam Curry: Well, because we
can't we can't thank you point

831
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:45,060
of personal privilege. Granted,
we can't. We can't do anything

832
00:51:45,060 --> 00:51:50,490
more here than I mean. So we are
at an interesting crossroads. We

833
00:51:50,490 --> 00:51:55,050
have an implementation of cross
app comments, which I think is

834
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,680
pretty much good to go. I think
there's some core issues still,

835
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:03,120
maybe there's some issues. But
really, app developers are not

836
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:08,940
surfacing this. And they're not
enabling the the posting part.

837
00:52:12,270 --> 00:52:14,400
Am I correct? That's how close
we are.

838
00:52:16,290 --> 00:52:18,840
Dave Jones: Yeah, it's very
close. And just to maybe to

839
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,740
maybe throw one more thing in is
it and you just kind of jogged

840
00:52:22,740 --> 00:52:26,760
my memory on is I want I want to
reach sort of re emphasize the

841
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:32,040
fact that this is not the point
where the point where the app

842
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:36,240
communicates the comment, or, or
gets the car, like I don't want

843
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:40,620
to change the way we do things.
I like our comments, existing

844
00:52:40,620 --> 00:52:45,360
activity pub. And so but we
could still benefit from this

845
00:52:45,660 --> 00:52:50,820
JSON version of comments, which
is create a tool that that wraps

846
00:52:50,820 --> 00:52:53,880
everything up and creates in
sucks at all and creates a JSON

847
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,730
file that makes it easy for the
app that way, the app doesn't

848
00:52:56,730 --> 00:52:58,860
have to communicate with
potentially 27 different

849
00:52:58,860 --> 00:53:02,490
activity post servers. Like
that's what I mean, again, about

850
00:53:02,490 --> 00:53:05,760
like, decentralizing upstream,
that you're making it easier on

851
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,700
the apps, but you still get the
decentralization that makes us

852
00:53:08,700 --> 00:53:09,630
all warm and fuzzy.

853
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:12,210
Adam Curry: That's good. For me,
that's called interrup.

854
00:53:12,990 --> 00:53:16,260
Dave Jones: Yeah, we like we can
still do it the way we want to.

855
00:53:16,830 --> 00:53:22,650
And, and, but then boil it all
down for the apps to be easy.

856
00:53:23,580 --> 00:53:25,530
Adam Curry: I love that. And I
want this chat thing

857
00:53:25,530 --> 00:53:26,250
immediately.

858
00:53:27,780 --> 00:53:29,190
Dave Jones: To watch as I want

859
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:30,990
Adam Curry: it immediately, I
want I want to have this chat

860
00:53:30,990 --> 00:53:33,030
server I want I want to use this
is fun.

861
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,270
Dave Jones: Okay, it's as close
to done.

862
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,230
Adam Curry: But once once we get
the IRC part, that bridge I

863
00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:41,280
think has to be made.

864
00:53:42,300 --> 00:53:45,180
Dave Jones: Well, the good thing
about the about boost bot and

865
00:53:45,180 --> 00:53:49,410
everything is they can just, you
know, speak noster as well, if

866
00:53:49,410 --> 00:53:52,140
they want to go straight in and
they'll they'll be able to talk

867
00:53:52,140 --> 00:53:54,900
to the relay. Interesting.

868
00:53:56,460 --> 00:53:58,350
Adam Curry: Let's seem that
seems that sounds like a

869
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,660
something for the IRC boys to
put together.

870
00:54:01,950 --> 00:54:04,320
Dave Jones: Now, but it will
definitely suck in IRC. That's

871
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,510
That's next on the list. I love
that.

872
00:54:09,330 --> 00:54:13,050
Adam Curry: Well, Daniel Jays
idea about the whole discussion

873
00:54:13,050 --> 00:54:17,910
around you know, having these
individual files which we have,

874
00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:21,090
we have an individual transcript
file, we have individual

875
00:54:21,090 --> 00:54:27,750
chapters file. And so I was
racking my brain, you know, also

876
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:33,060
looking at the remote item tag,
which is, it's really confusing,

877
00:54:33,060 --> 00:54:35,100
because I think we're all
talking about something no one

878
00:54:35,130 --> 00:54:37,980
no one's ever going to just put
an episode of someone else's

879
00:54:37,980 --> 00:54:40,710
show into your feed. I'm not
going to do it. I don't know why

880
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:44,340
anyone else would ever do it.
But it's built for playlists for

881
00:54:44,340 --> 00:54:47,850
music. That part I understand.
Is that right? Am I correct?

882
00:54:47,850 --> 00:54:50,640
That I think everyone agrees
that everyone's just talking

883
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,000
about it. But are you really
going to put someone else's

884
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,560
episode in your feed? Really?

885
00:54:56,670 --> 00:55:00,510
Dave Jones: Yeah, I don't think
that I think it can do That's

886
00:55:00,510 --> 00:55:03,840
the thing it can do. But it's
its primary intent is for is for

887
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,560
other means mediums, right?
Because playlists become more

888
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:08,940
important with other mediums.

889
00:55:09,450 --> 00:55:15,240
Adam Curry: Yes, exactly. So
playlisting. Fantastic. So I was

890
00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:17,910
thinking now again, so I'm out,
you know, I've just seen a

891
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:21,870
concert, I'm digging these guys.
I'm seeing all these different.

892
00:55:22,260 --> 00:55:25,890
These are guys who still sell
their CDs for $5 at the venue,

893
00:55:26,490 --> 00:55:29,130
you know? Because, you know,
what money are you making off

894
00:55:29,130 --> 00:55:34,200
of? Off of music sales? Nothing.
So that's, you know, but of

895
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:39,360
course, merch, a lot of merch
stuff. It's hard to see you

896
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,390
commenting in the chat while I'm
talking to you. It's like that,

897
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:44,820
like, I immediately feel like
you're not listening to me.

898
00:55:45,359 --> 00:55:46,439
Dave Jones: heard everything you
said.

899
00:55:47,279 --> 00:55:48,899
Adam Curry: I know. I'm just
saying it's weird.

900
00:55:50,550 --> 00:55:52,350
Dave Jones: This is what happens
when you you know, look on your

901
00:55:52,350 --> 00:55:54,630
wife's talking to you. You're
not really listening. And she's

902
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:55,230
like, are you listening?

903
00:55:55,980 --> 00:55:58,380
Adam Curry: That's exactly how I
felt just there for a moment. I

904
00:55:58,380 --> 00:56:00,750
felt like your wife is like,
You're not listening to me, Dave

905
00:56:00,750 --> 00:56:01,830
Jones. But

906
00:56:02,430 --> 00:56:04,590
Dave Jones: then I'm like, you
but what you do is you just

907
00:56:04,590 --> 00:56:07,710
repeat the last word that she
said. You said, you said play

908
00:56:07,710 --> 00:56:08,100
live. Yeah.

909
00:56:12,210 --> 00:56:14,250
Adam Curry: So I'm also out in
Nashville. I'm talking to Jeff

910
00:56:14,250 --> 00:56:17,700
Smith. And I'm talking to him
about you know, about value for

911
00:56:17,700 --> 00:56:20,370
value and how it's working. And
you know, what wave Lake is

912
00:56:20,370 --> 00:56:25,140
doing. And you know, basically
how we've set up the whole 2.0

913
00:56:25,140 --> 00:56:28,500
standard with the medium tag
equals music so that we can do

914
00:56:28,500 --> 00:56:33,180
music was split. And believe me,
musicians get it. Musicians go

915
00:56:33,180 --> 00:56:38,250
Oh, hold on a second. When I say
we get rid of ASCAP BMI, the

916
00:56:38,250 --> 00:56:42,420
ears perk up, you know, and I
and I know the best joke now

917
00:56:42,420 --> 00:56:45,090
it's like, yeah, we can even
give the drummer a split. And

918
00:56:45,090 --> 00:56:48,090
everyone finds that joke.
Hilarious. Everyone in the band

919
00:56:48,090 --> 00:56:50,490
thinks that's funny, except for
the drummer isn't for the

920
00:56:50,490 --> 00:56:58,740
drummer. And then it hit me. We
need possibly so what I so why

921
00:56:58,740 --> 00:57:03,240
is the music business so broken?
The music business is broken for

922
00:57:03,240 --> 00:57:06,900
a number of reasons. But I would
say the number one is radio

923
00:57:06,900 --> 00:57:11,850
sucks, radio was corporate radio
was controlled. The radio is

924
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:16,110
tight playlist is very hard to
get your record played. And

925
00:57:16,140 --> 00:57:21,000
there is no way that you can
really do a music based show

926
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:27,180
legally on a podcast, you just
can't do it. Because unless you

927
00:57:27,180 --> 00:57:31,620
have unless the artist has the
rights, and I said okay, you can

928
00:57:31,710 --> 00:57:33,750
you can play my stuff on your
show. It's okay. It's

929
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:36,660
downloadable. And that's a lot
of okay, there's a lot of

930
00:57:36,660 --> 00:57:40,620
giveaways that artists you know,
when you're in the ASCAP, BMI,

931
00:57:40,620 --> 00:57:46,470
sound exchange, Harry Fox
publishing world. No, it

932
00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:48,750
doesn't, that's never gonna
happen. Yeah, you can do it. But

933
00:57:48,780 --> 00:57:53,040
eventually, you're gonna get
railed for it. So we need a way

934
00:57:53,070 --> 00:57:55,830
that incentivizes everybody
that's always been my model. So

935
00:57:55,830 --> 00:57:59,430
I want to do a show. Now, we
talked about the wave Lake, top

936
00:57:59,430 --> 00:58:02,940
10, and all that. But let's just
say I want to do a show. And I

937
00:58:02,940 --> 00:58:06,330
want to play music, they want to
interview some people. But when

938
00:58:06,330 --> 00:58:11,370
I play music, I want the value
block for that music to be

939
00:58:11,370 --> 00:58:16,920
activated. And I want all
streaming, SATs and all booster

940
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,370
grams to go to that value block.
I would like to have a piece for

941
00:58:20,370 --> 00:58:23,640
myself, because it's still my
show. But then when that song is

942
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:27,120
over, then it comes back. Now
this would work for interviews,

943
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,160
it would work for a whole bunch
of different things, as you can

944
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:33,000
imagine, even for you could even
use it as a voting mechanism.

945
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:35,700
Oh, this person is speaking. And
now everything is going through

946
00:58:35,700 --> 00:58:41,490
this one, two, this one booster
gram interface for this show. is

947
00:58:41,490 --> 00:58:45,660
now going to that entity. You
with me? Yeah, that's the dream.

948
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:52,890
The way to do it, I think is
very similar. have instead is

949
00:58:53,010 --> 00:59:01,020
have an option on the value tag
for to be remote. And that would

950
00:59:01,020 --> 00:59:03,420
be Believe it or not here, I'm
going to say it would might be a

951
00:59:03,420 --> 00:59:11,190
JSON file that has that has my
my standard splits for for the

952
00:59:11,220 --> 00:59:16,530
for that episode. But then has
time codes just like chapters.

953
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:25,530
And then for this, God this guid
this. And then the app looks at

954
00:59:25,530 --> 00:59:30,900
that guid and pulls it and pulls
in the value block for that

955
00:59:30,900 --> 00:59:36,060
entity which I hope would then
be an album a song or an artist

956
00:59:36,060 --> 00:59:39,540
etc. And does that make sense?

957
00:59:40,260 --> 00:59:43,080
Dave Jones: Okay, so you're
talking about a show, you've

958
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:47,400
done a show and you've published
it. Now when the app is is

959
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,430
reading through the show
structure,

960
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,670
Adam Curry: it's picking up so
it's these remote value block.

961
00:59:53,700 --> 00:59:56,160
I'm just I'm not a developer
clearly, I'm just shooting from

962
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,970
the hip. So in the value block
of six oh remote, okay. They say

963
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,450
goes looked at this remote and
it says, Use this valid these

964
01:00:03,450 --> 01:00:06,720
splits this, these values
throughout the show except for

965
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:10,650
this time code from here to
here, use this shows value

966
01:00:10,650 --> 01:00:15,930
block. And in my mind is just a
referral code so that you're not

967
01:00:15,930 --> 01:00:19,230
pulling in the actual value
block, but that maybe it's the

968
01:00:19,230 --> 01:00:22,620
GUID for for that for that
particular song or that

969
01:00:22,620 --> 01:00:27,720
particular album. And I'm just
using good loosely here. Or you

970
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:32,280
could of course, use a URL, but
we know how shitty that is long

971
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:40,560
term. So if somehow is the GUID,
then then the then the band

972
01:00:40,590 --> 01:00:43,890
whose music I played, they can
change their fuck you think

973
01:00:43,890 --> 01:00:47,940
activity Shut up, I'm talking
about

974
01:00:50,190 --> 01:00:52,620
Dave Jones: want to sing the
crap out of me?

975
01:00:54,060 --> 01:00:56,130
Adam Curry: I would like you
know, so they have complete

976
01:00:56,130 --> 01:00:59,490
control over their value block
and change that at any time. But

977
01:00:59,490 --> 01:01:03,210
I'll still refer to them from my
remote value block. Does that

978
01:01:03,210 --> 01:01:03,960
make sense?

979
01:01:05,220 --> 01:01:08,970
Dave Jones: Yeah, no, it makes
perfect sense. I think like this

980
01:01:10,020 --> 01:01:14,940
is just chapters, right? If we
put the value Yes, block into

981
01:01:15,090 --> 01:01:18,330
the chapter markers that would
solve this,

982
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,900
Adam Curry: that actually that,
of course came up in my mind as

983
01:01:21,900 --> 01:01:24,690
well, we already have the tools,
all we need to do is just add

984
01:01:25,530 --> 01:01:29,100
the referral code for another
value block. I just didn't, what

985
01:01:29,100 --> 01:01:32,010
I didn't want to do as I didn't
want to start off a let's put

986
01:01:32,010 --> 01:01:34,860
pod roll and all these things in
one go. I didn't want to start

987
01:01:34,860 --> 01:01:39,510
that off. So if it belongs in
chapters, I'm fine with that. I

988
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:41,970
just want to get going, I just
want to do a show because I got

989
01:01:41,970 --> 01:01:46,110
Jeff Smith saying, I know a lot
of musicians who have bought

990
01:01:46,110 --> 01:01:48,840
back all their music, they own
the publishing, they owned

991
01:01:48,900 --> 01:01:53,700
everything. And they and there's
an high level of interest to do

992
01:01:53,700 --> 01:01:54,180
this.

993
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,290
Dave Jones: Well, it's it's a
good timing to do this. Because

994
01:01:58,290 --> 01:02:01,860
I've got as ethnic, though,
would for sure work. I mean, now

995
01:02:01,860 --> 01:02:07,020
you know, we're gonna have to
make it where it needs to be a

996
01:02:07,020 --> 01:02:10,350
reference, it can't really be
hard coded because you're gonna

997
01:02:10,350 --> 01:02:13,680
have exact Yeah, you you because
you need to be able to call out

998
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:17,040
to that other feed and see what
its current value block is

999
01:02:18,030 --> 01:02:22,620
rather than, like, sucking it in
hard coded into recurrent

1000
01:02:22,620 --> 01:02:23,070
chapters.

1001
01:02:23,610 --> 01:02:26,100
Adam Curry: Right. So maybe this
is even a smarter way to do it.

1002
01:02:26,430 --> 01:02:32,040
Maybe, since we already have
chapter files, maybe there's

1003
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:35,370
some tag in there, or maybe just
when it reads the chapter files

1004
01:02:35,370 --> 01:02:40,530
if it comes across a value,
value block reference guid for

1005
01:02:40,530 --> 01:02:45,330
that chapter, which has a start
and an end. Maybe just overrides

1006
01:02:45,330 --> 01:02:48,360
whatever, whatever it's using
from the feed and uses that and

1007
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,360
then come and pops back after
it's done and then goes back to

1008
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:51,900
the feed.

1009
01:02:53,910 --> 01:02:56,100
Dave Jones: Yeah, yes, yes. For
sure. Something like that. Yeah,

1010
01:02:56,100 --> 01:02:56,220
we'll

1011
01:02:56,220 --> 01:02:58,860
Adam Curry: call it chapter
value split or something chapter

1012
01:02:58,860 --> 01:03:00,480
value block or something like
that.

1013
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,760
Dave Jones: Yeah, I mean, we've
talked about doing this, there

1014
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:06,180
may even be already be a
proposal for this in there. I

1015
01:03:06,180 --> 01:03:09,570
haven't looked in a while. But
it's good timing to do it.

1016
01:03:09,570 --> 01:03:14,670
Because we're out. This fits
with. Again, everything's

1017
01:03:14,670 --> 01:03:18,870
fitting together this way this
fits with what we need anyway,

1018
01:03:18,870 --> 01:03:22,290
which is, which is reply
addresses in the value block

1019
01:03:22,290 --> 01:03:23,040
addresses. Yeah,

1020
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,530
Adam Curry: you go, there you go
feel the need

1021
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:30,960
Dave Jones: need to have a way
to reply back to reply back in

1022
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:34,110
boost some boot, you know, you
need to know where if it's

1023
01:03:34,110 --> 01:03:38,490
course by choice. If they want
to include this in the to v,

1024
01:03:38,490 --> 01:03:42,600
then the person receiving the
boost can then reply back to

1025
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:46,170
that person with and with a
boost. So, I mean, if we're

1026
01:03:46,170 --> 01:03:50,130
already in there making these
changes anyway. I mean, what one

1027
01:03:50,130 --> 01:03:53,520
I just, you know, come up with,
with having just proposed both

1028
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:57,990
at the same time. No, I think
it's it makes perfect, perfect

1029
01:03:57,990 --> 01:03:59,640
sense. I would I wouldn't I
wouldn't do it.

1030
01:03:59,669 --> 01:04:02,849
Adam Curry: I would I would love
to have this. And I think that

1031
01:04:02,879 --> 01:04:07,889
possibly the app devs I think
anyone everyone who has V four v

1032
01:04:07,889 --> 01:04:11,819
and the apps probably have
chapters as well, I think it

1033
01:04:11,819 --> 01:04:15,209
will, I would love doing this
because we will we will spawn we

1034
01:04:15,209 --> 01:04:20,399
will I guarantee it will spawn a
whole generation of people

1035
01:04:20,519 --> 01:04:25,679
playing not so I'm so sick for
20 years now. It's all been the

1036
01:04:25,679 --> 01:04:29,459
only way you can do is playlist,
set up your playlist put it on

1037
01:04:29,459 --> 01:04:33,629
your shoutcast server I'm so
sick of it. I want and there's a

1038
01:04:33,629 --> 01:04:38,189
lot of good music out there.
And, and and the artists are

1039
01:04:38,189 --> 01:04:41,399
ready bands are ready performers
are ready. They're ready to get

1040
01:04:41,399 --> 01:04:44,579
paid. They're just sitting there
getting jerked around by

1041
01:04:44,579 --> 01:04:48,029
everybody. And if you can say
get your Albie wallet just to

1042
01:04:48,029 --> 01:04:52,409
make it easy, you know, we can't
rely on all only on apt get Alby

1043
01:04:52,409 --> 01:04:55,379
but you know what I'm saying?
Get your Alby wallet because

1044
01:04:55,409 --> 01:04:59,789
this is what what Jeff Smith
sees. He sees 5% from a lot of

1045
01:04:59,789 --> 01:05:03,539
different and shows certainly
mine going to him. And he sees

1046
01:05:03,539 --> 01:05:05,999
that, you know, in a certain
point you'd like to 3 million

1047
01:05:05,999 --> 01:05:09,629
sets you pay attention like
well, that's kind of nice. Yeah,

1048
01:05:09,659 --> 01:05:13,889
for sure. You know, so I want
artists to have that feeling I

1049
01:05:13,889 --> 01:05:18,239
want them to fire up, you know,
contracts. I want them to see

1050
01:05:18,539 --> 01:05:21,599
that the SATs dripping in. I
want them to get that that

1051
01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:24,239
feeling of oh, there's love
someone's listening to my show.

1052
01:05:24,239 --> 01:05:27,479
Where's it coming from? Oh, it's
coming from that podcast. Oh,

1053
01:05:27,479 --> 01:05:33,779
that's great. I mean, the one
thing in in American country

1054
01:05:33,779 --> 01:05:39,059
radio and I would say Christian
rock radio. There is a love

1055
01:05:39,089 --> 01:05:42,779
affair between artists and
radio, watch any country show

1056
01:05:42,779 --> 01:05:45,929
you can stomach because I love
country. But the show the award

1057
01:05:45,929 --> 01:05:50,129
shows are sickening to watch any
country watch or you can't. And

1058
01:05:50,129 --> 01:05:54,359
then all the artists go and
thank you country radio. I want

1059
01:05:54,359 --> 01:05:57,389
I want to take that away. I want
to take all that away. And I

1060
01:05:57,389 --> 01:06:00,659
want it to be thank you this
podcast. Thank you that podcast

1061
01:06:00,659 --> 01:06:03,299
because the artists can see it.
There's accountability. And

1062
01:06:03,299 --> 01:06:06,689
there's actual money of value
being shared from people who

1063
01:06:06,689 --> 01:06:09,389
like what they're hearing. And
then they can go over and then

1064
01:06:09,539 --> 01:06:12,629
right away and start listening
to all your stuff. And then and

1065
01:06:12,629 --> 01:06:16,799
then sending value for that the
ecosystem is there. Let's get it

1066
01:06:16,799 --> 01:06:17,429
done.

1067
01:06:23,670 --> 01:06:24,810
Dave Jones: It belongs in the
chapters

1068
01:06:24,810 --> 01:06:27,390
Adam Curry: for sure. Okay,
good. Well, that's a great place

1069
01:06:27,390 --> 01:06:27,780
for it.

1070
01:06:28,410 --> 01:06:30,600
Dave Jones: I don't want it I
don't want to have a discussion

1071
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:33,300
about whether it's a metadata
file or chapters. It's a

1072
01:06:33,300 --> 01:06:34,500
chapters file. Yeah, it's

1073
01:06:34,530 --> 01:06:36,210
Adam Curry: that we're not
having that we're not having.

1074
01:06:36,690 --> 01:06:39,210
I'm going to talk to Steven B.
And we're going to make it work

1075
01:06:39,210 --> 01:06:44,220
in curio caster and sovereign
feeds first. But anyway, if

1076
01:06:44,220 --> 01:06:46,260
that's the that'll be our
reference app.

1077
01:06:47,250 --> 01:06:50,850
Dave Jones: Well, I'll propose
it into the namespace because

1078
01:06:50,850 --> 01:06:55,380
I've already got to be in there
doing the proposal for reply

1079
01:06:55,380 --> 01:06:56,820
addresses anyway. And we'll have

1080
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,820
Adam Curry: we'll have pod fans
doing it right away too. Because

1081
01:06:59,820 --> 01:07:03,120
you know, so yeah, Sam was like,
what? Oh, wait, wait. Oh, wait

1082
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:09,150
there, ladies and gentlemen.
Sakala blades on am Fallout

1083
01:07:09,150 --> 01:07:11,550
101010 from Sam sefie.

1084
01:07:12,090 --> 01:07:14,970
Dave Jones: Well, I mean, like,
like a third of the tags that

1085
01:07:14,970 --> 01:07:18,540
Sam has in pod fans don't need
or not even finalized. I don't

1086
01:07:18,540 --> 01:07:20,190
even know what you're doing
Sam's like

1087
01:07:20,190 --> 01:07:22,710
Adam Curry: what he says, I
really need to walk the dog

1088
01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:25,050
while the show is live. It's
Friday night, the wife keeps

1089
01:07:25,050 --> 01:07:27,930
interrupting me. Just telling
you just to pretend like you're

1090
01:07:27,930 --> 01:07:31,260
listening, Sam. She doesn't
understand why I want to listen

1091
01:07:31,260 --> 01:07:34,770
live because it's cool. As for
cross app comments, I'm looking

1092
01:07:34,770 --> 01:07:37,350
to use noster not activity pub.
Sorry, don't worry, it looks

1093
01:07:37,350 --> 01:07:40,230
like we'll be able to do all
I've implemented pod rolls and

1094
01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:43,050
playlists which really work well
for podcasts and music. I don't

1095
01:07:43,050 --> 01:07:45,360
get the remote item tag. While
we've worked through all of

1096
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:48,180
that, Sam, we've already fixed
it all for you. Don't worry.

1097
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,350
Yeah, it's no SAM. SAM will
implement the chapter splits.

1098
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:56,220
I'm excited. And but it does
have to be and can we do that

1099
01:07:56,220 --> 01:07:59,370
with the GUID Can you reference
with a good edge of this pocket?

1100
01:07:59,370 --> 01:08:03,240
This this this artist or this
album? Or this collection of

1101
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:10,380
songs? Can you can you reference
the actual item level? Value

1102
01:08:10,380 --> 01:08:13,770
block split? Yeah, with an
abstraction what would that be?

1103
01:08:13,830 --> 01:08:15,270
What's that? Is that good? Good?

1104
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:18,240
Dave Jones: Yes, good. Good.

1105
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:19,230
Adam Curry: Item. Good. Is it?

1106
01:08:19,890 --> 01:08:21,690
Dave Jones: I mean, that's what
the remote item thing. That's

1107
01:08:21,690 --> 01:08:26,790
what remote item is? It's a
reference to a feed. Good. And

1108
01:08:26,790 --> 01:08:29,700
then a Episode Good. Oh, well,

1109
01:08:30,150 --> 01:08:32,070
Adam Curry: okay, then there's a
reason for that thing to

1110
01:08:32,100 --> 01:08:32,940
perfect.

1111
01:08:34,440 --> 01:08:37,800
Dave Jones: You go that, you
know, the chapters is the where

1112
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:42,990
you what remote item can't do is
give you time, like this section

1113
01:08:42,990 --> 01:08:46,530
of this, of this show has to be
this than this other section has

1114
01:08:46,530 --> 01:08:49,560
to be that, like, if you're
doing a single show that has to

1115
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:54,930
be chopped up into into bits. It
can't do that. But it can it can

1116
01:08:54,930 --> 01:08:56,220
reference that show.

1117
01:08:57,569 --> 01:08:59,879
Adam Curry: It can reference a
show and an item within the

1118
01:08:59,879 --> 01:09:07,349
show. Yes. Okay. So the chapter
value split, can reference a

1119
01:09:07,349 --> 01:09:12,869
remote item and use and say
okay, the value block from this

1120
01:09:12,869 --> 01:09:17,639
remote item, correct? Yes. Good.
Steven B isn't built yet.

1121
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:27,660
Dave Jones: Like this. Yeah, so
check. So the chapters. Thing is

1122
01:09:27,870 --> 01:09:29,250
the chapters. That's what it's
for.

1123
01:09:29,310 --> 01:09:32,700
Adam Curry: I'm Jack. I'm Jack.
I'm jacked and ready to go.

1124
01:09:32,700 --> 01:09:33,300
Let's do it.

1125
01:09:35,700 --> 01:09:39,780
Dave Jones: I want I want to
switch gears for a second and

1126
01:09:39,780 --> 01:09:51,180
discuss made for kids. Yeah,
sounds exciting. You said

1127
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:55,980
Adam Curry: no, but I'm all
yours. Well, I'm sorry honey. We

1128
01:09:55,980 --> 01:09:57,870
were talking about something
I'll playlist I'm sorry. What?

1129
01:09:58,830 --> 01:09:59,970
Something about the kids

1130
01:10:00,510 --> 01:10:03,570
Dave Jones: The Kids Are the
kids in trouble. Are they? Okay?

1131
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:10,110
The so the kids they made for
kids. There's been this okay,

1132
01:10:10,110 --> 01:10:14,550
the longest running well, how do
I how do I lay this out? Okay,

1133
01:10:14,580 --> 01:10:19,020
all right, the longest running
thread on the podcast names the

1134
01:10:19,020 --> 01:10:25,290
issue issue on the podcast
namespace repo. Is this mother

1135
01:10:25,290 --> 01:10:28,380
effing censorship thread?

1136
01:10:28,500 --> 01:10:31,590
Adam Curry: Wow. Is it an F
bomb? How about that? Yeah, I

1137
01:10:31,590 --> 01:10:32,460
did. Yeah.

1138
01:10:33,390 --> 01:10:42,300
Dave Jones: Is in it's like 1000
comments long. Like, in there is

1139
01:10:42,300 --> 01:10:47,070
absolutely no better sense of
what to do at the end of this

1140
01:10:47,070 --> 01:10:49,890
thing than there was at the
beginning. There may be a lot

1141
01:10:49,890 --> 01:10:54,270
more confusion on the last post
than there was at the at the at

1142
01:10:54,270 --> 01:10:59,460
the first post. It's this
content ratings. This is not

1143
01:10:59,460 --> 01:11:04,200
censorship. It's content
ratings. Like, how do we label

1144
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:07,680
these things? As this is safe
for kids? This is not safe for

1145
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:12,420
kids age, which should it be by
age? Should it be by content?

1146
01:11:12,630 --> 01:11:16,200
Should it be by this? It's like
it's it just goes round and

1147
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:19,650
round and round? And everybody
hates each other? And everybody

1148
01:11:19,650 --> 01:11:21,330
comes out with blackouts? Yeah,

1149
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,340
Adam Curry: yeah, that's what
usually happens in those

1150
01:11:23,340 --> 01:11:25,080
conversations. It's why stay out
of them.

1151
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,350
Dave Jones: Yeah. Town records
that bring in Tipper Gore we

1152
01:11:28,350 --> 01:11:35,190
need tipper That's right. Yep.
So hear you, Tom. At some point

1153
01:11:35,190 --> 01:11:38,610
on Rossy popped popped in a
couple of

1154
01:11:38,610 --> 01:11:41,280
Adam Curry: weeks, because he's
a masochist. Yes, he popped in.

1155
01:11:41,610 --> 01:11:42,960
He did. Everybody.

1156
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:50,280
Dave Jones: He popped in with a
new tag that just has a single

1157
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:57,150
purpose, which is podcast colon
made for kids. And it would just

1158
01:11:57,150 --> 01:12:03,060
be true or false. And, as usual,
with these types of things, I

1159
01:12:03,060 --> 01:12:06,240
was like, Well, I'm just gonna
give this some time to bake. And

1160
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:11,250
think about it. And the more I
think about it, I think it's a

1161
01:12:11,250 --> 01:12:16,410
great idea. At first I didn't, I
was just, I was calling in, I

1162
01:12:16,410 --> 01:12:20,010
think it's a really good idea.
In here, here, let me try to do

1163
01:12:20,010 --> 01:12:28,050
my best to explain why. The, the
idea of who the podcast is made

1164
01:12:28,050 --> 01:12:38,910
for and what is in it cannot
coexist. That is that is now

1165
01:12:38,910 --> 01:12:43,770
obvious from the from the 1000
posts, long issue of content

1166
01:12:43,770 --> 01:12:49,770
ratings, you cannot combine a
notion of who the podcast is

1167
01:12:49,770 --> 01:12:56,100
intended for, and what the
content is into the same thing.

1168
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:03,270
As usual tags, the tags that go
into the namespace, they have to

1169
01:13:03,270 --> 01:13:07,770
be boiled down to their ver to
their to their most basic

1170
01:13:07,770 --> 01:13:13,080
essence. It has to do it's just
like a Unix command tool. It has

1171
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:17,550
to do one thing and it has to do
it well. And only one thing and

1172
01:13:17,550 --> 01:13:23,460
it is so easy. It is so tempting
to bring in 234 or five other

1173
01:13:23,460 --> 01:13:26,490
things. And that's what is going
on with the pod roll and all

1174
01:13:26,490 --> 01:13:32,190
this stuff in it is it's a don't
like it. And I'm I'm not going

1175
01:13:32,190 --> 01:13:37,620
to participate in in the
construction of tags that are

1176
01:13:37,620 --> 01:13:39,270
these multi layered beasts.

1177
01:13:40,290 --> 01:13:41,280
Unknown: Spoken.

1178
01:13:44,910 --> 01:13:47,370
Dave Jones: It's just it's
destined for failure because

1179
01:13:47,370 --> 01:13:51,060
it's complex, conceptually
complex, and technically

1180
01:13:51,060 --> 01:13:58,650
complex. The the simplicity of
pod roll in the reason why that

1181
01:13:58,710 --> 01:14:03,900
everybody immediately liked it.
Or many people immediately liked

1182
01:14:03,900 --> 01:14:08,490
it as enough to even begin
implementing it is because it's

1183
01:14:08,490 --> 01:14:15,120
very simple. It's you is just a
reference to another to another

1184
01:14:15,150 --> 01:14:18,540
to other shows. It's just
there's no ambiguity there.

1185
01:14:18,540 --> 01:14:22,950
There's no complexity there.
That's all it is. The made for

1186
01:14:22,950 --> 01:14:33,660
kids thing is very similar. It
does one thing it says the

1187
01:14:33,660 --> 01:14:39,600
podcaster do they think that
they they intend for this show

1188
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:45,900
to be listened to by children?
And we all know what we all know

1189
01:14:45,900 --> 01:14:51,810
what a child is. Okay, well,
there's we that's universal. Now

1190
01:14:51,810 --> 01:14:55,170
I'm and I'm purposely not
thinking about ages and things

1191
01:14:55,170 --> 01:14:59,970
like this. If you're an adult,
there's a time where you see

1192
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,580
Stop calling them a kid. Or you
stop thinking of them as your as

1193
01:15:05,580 --> 01:15:08,520
your children as a child, and
you begin to think of them just

1194
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:11,250
as your children, as you know,
adults or young adults or

1195
01:15:11,250 --> 01:15:15,810
whatever. We all know, in this
context what a child is. So that

1196
01:15:15,810 --> 01:15:20,730
when I say is this made for
children? Universally, everybody

1197
01:15:20,730 --> 01:15:25,200
knows roughly what that means.
And so a podcaster, if they say,

1198
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:29,280
Look, my podcast, this podcast
I'm developing, it is made for

1199
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:32,670
children I want it's the
intended audience is children.

1200
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:37,650
That's not ambiguous. It's a
very easy thing to understand.

1201
01:15:39,540 --> 01:15:42,960
And it's purposefully separate
entirely separate from the

1202
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:49,230
content of what is in the show.
I may say, My show is made for

1203
01:15:49,230 --> 01:15:54,120
kids. And in this show, there is
things about sex education, or

1204
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:56,880
what bubble herb, just name name
15 Different companies as a

1205
01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:03,690
content that I've just described
two different things. My intent

1206
01:16:03,690 --> 01:16:09,660
is that is that my show be
listened to by children. My in?

1207
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:15,240
That's enough, that's enough on
its own. The content question

1208
01:16:16,650 --> 01:16:20,940
that I don't know if we will
ever get to that resolution, I

1209
01:16:20,940 --> 01:16:22,650
don't know if we'll ever come up
with something that makes

1210
01:16:22,650 --> 01:16:25,380
everybody happy. I mean, we
probably won't you

1211
01:16:25,380 --> 01:16:27,420
Adam Curry: made your point, I
think the biggest point you make

1212
01:16:27,420 --> 01:16:30,930
here is the Unix tool example.
And I appreciate that. And I

1213
01:16:30,930 --> 01:16:39,030
think that I'm fine with a made
for children. And what I don't

1214
01:16:39,030 --> 01:16:42,750
know why this was proposed, or
who was looking for it, I have

1215
01:16:42,750 --> 01:16:46,470
kids, I still call them kids. If
I had little children and I saw

1216
01:16:46,470 --> 01:16:50,010
made for kids, I would not trust
that to be listened to by my

1217
01:16:50,010 --> 01:16:52,560
kid, I would listen to it first,
which is ultimately where the

1218
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:55,500
responsibility lies. Because
yeah, I wouldn't might want my

1219
01:16:55,500 --> 01:16:58,740
kid listening to drag time,
story hour or whatever. You

1220
01:16:58,740 --> 01:17:01,740
know, there's a lot of content
made for kids, and a lot of

1221
01:17:01,740 --> 01:17:04,290
content made for kids that I
don't find appropriate for my

1222
01:17:04,290 --> 01:17:10,650
children. And so using this as
an example of maybe a larger

1223
01:17:10,650 --> 01:17:15,150
issue, what I'm seeing here, in
the discussions on the GitHub,

1224
01:17:15,450 --> 01:17:18,690
it is painfully obvious to me
why there was 10 years of

1225
01:17:18,690 --> 01:17:23,250
inactivity in podcasting,
because all the same agendas and

1226
01:17:23,250 --> 01:17:27,570
ideas and thoughts and people
all come around. And they all

1227
01:17:27,660 --> 01:17:31,710
have these endless
conversations. And ultimately,

1228
01:17:31,710 --> 01:17:37,950
we have 10 developers. If I'm in
that may, that may be even more

1229
01:17:37,950 --> 01:17:42,210
than we have who actually
implementing these things. So I

1230
01:17:42,210 --> 01:17:46,650
find there's so much energy
being put into arguing over and

1231
01:17:46,650 --> 01:17:50,220
odious things. And here's how we
should do it here. So I think a

1232
01:17:50,220 --> 01:17:53,130
lot of I think, I think i think
i think i think i think i think

1233
01:17:53,580 --> 01:17:56,430
and when and when someone can
say, here's something very

1234
01:17:56,430 --> 01:17:59,790
simple, it does this. I'm all
for it. I don't care if it's

1235
01:17:59,790 --> 01:18:05,220
made for kids, I don't care if
it's I don't care what it is, I

1236
01:18:05,250 --> 01:18:07,800
that's the analogy I'm going to
hold on to I like that a lot.

1237
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:12,060
Because I understand that more
grep into something else, you

1238
01:18:12,060 --> 01:18:15,180
know, if as long as I can pipe
these commands, like we're doing

1239
01:18:15,180 --> 01:18:19,650
now, literally, with remote item
and chapter. That's the way we

1240
01:18:19,650 --> 01:18:23,940
need to look at it. And I'm I'm
actually disappointed with how

1241
01:18:23,940 --> 01:18:28,080
much drivel is being posted on
the GitHub, and back and forth.

1242
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:32,310
And that, and then, and that,
and that. And although I find it

1243
01:18:32,310 --> 01:18:35,580
humorous, when James comes in
and says I'm disappointed, then

1244
01:18:35,580 --> 01:18:39,420
I'm like, Oh, my God, like,
where are we with all this?

1245
01:18:39,810 --> 01:18:45,210
Yeah, now well, and so um, so I,
once again, I pray and praise

1246
01:18:45,210 --> 01:18:48,210
for the developers, I praise
you. Thank you. Thank you for

1247
01:18:48,210 --> 01:18:51,270
coming in. Thank you for coming
in early. Thank you for getting

1248
01:18:51,270 --> 01:18:54,810
all the basics. And you are
ultimately going to implement

1249
01:18:54,810 --> 01:18:58,860
what you want what you feel is
right for your users, for the

1250
01:18:58,860 --> 01:19:02,580
people who are using your app.
And I cannot thank you enough

1251
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,640
for getting getting us everyone
else. And I'm just as guilty of

1252
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:09,870
it at times. But getting all of
us out of this endless loop of

1253
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:14,820
horseshit that just goes round
and round and round. People want

1254
01:19:14,820 --> 01:19:18,480
to listen to a podcast. It's
hard enough for me to get them

1255
01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:23,910
to understand that you can look
at chapters. So it's a slow boil

1256
01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:27,270
people. It's a very, very slow
boil. And the simpler we make

1257
01:19:27,270 --> 01:19:30,330
things and the simpler we the
things are that we implement the

1258
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:30,960
better.

1259
01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:38,400
Dave Jones: The the reason that
made for children thing kind of

1260
01:19:38,430 --> 01:19:44,070
piqued my interest was because
there is a use case there. You

1261
01:19:44,070 --> 01:19:47,910
know, it's hard. I've taught
I've personally had a zoom call

1262
01:19:47,910 --> 01:19:51,630
with a person who's writing who
was writing I don't know if

1263
01:19:51,630 --> 01:19:54,600
they're still doing it, but they
were involved with a podcast app

1264
01:19:54,780 --> 01:20:00,990
for kids. And it was very
challenging to figure all that

1265
01:20:00,990 --> 01:20:06,960
out. It's a very manual process.
If you could take the if you

1266
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:11,490
have to sort through 4 million
podcasts and figure out the 500

1267
01:20:11,490 --> 01:20:14,340
that are made for kids, right,
but

1268
01:20:14,490 --> 01:20:16,380
Adam Curry: that's about
wanting, but you know what your

1269
01:20:16,380 --> 01:20:19,470
point is made? We can go because
all the exceptions are obvious.

1270
01:20:19,620 --> 01:20:22,500
I'm a pedophile, I'm going to
make a podcast called made for

1271
01:20:22,500 --> 01:20:26,400
kids. I mean, it's obvious, it's
obvious, it will not work for

1272
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:30,390
content. It's what's clear is it
does one thing, it tells a

1273
01:20:30,390 --> 01:20:34,830
parent, this is for kids, this I
made this for kids. You can

1274
01:20:34,830 --> 01:20:37,320
listen to this and see if it's
appropriate for your kid. That's

1275
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:37,650
it.

1276
01:20:37,980 --> 01:20:40,260
Dave Jones: Right. That's,
that's it? Yes, that's it. And

1277
01:20:40,260 --> 01:20:44,070
so, just to finish, just to
finish my thought, though, if

1278
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:53,010
like, is at least a flag to say,
you don't have to sort through 4

1279
01:20:53,010 --> 01:20:58,050
million podcasts to to find
those that you will then whittle

1280
01:20:58,050 --> 01:21:02,490
down. You can start with, you
know, a couple 1000. Yeah, I'm

1281
01:21:02,490 --> 01:21:06,270
at agreement. Yeah, like, it's
just me. That's why I think it's

1282
01:21:06,270 --> 01:21:09,600
worth doing. Because, I mean,
otherwise, who cares? You see,

1283
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,730
I'm saying, I mean, like,
there's there has to be some

1284
01:21:11,730 --> 01:21:17,190
reason for it. And I just want I
just want to the light exactly,

1285
01:21:17,190 --> 01:21:22,620
like you said, if you a
responsible parent is going to

1286
01:21:22,620 --> 01:21:26,700
listen to the content no matter
what. First, so it doesn't

1287
01:21:26,700 --> 01:21:29,610
matter what the content ratings
are, there's hope I never see

1288
01:21:29,610 --> 01:21:31,260
the word content ratings ever
again.

1289
01:21:31,590 --> 01:21:34,620
Adam Curry: No, it's not a
content rating. And I'm just

1290
01:21:34,620 --> 01:21:38,400
saying yes, to have everyone
shut the fuck up over it. I'm

1291
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:42,930
tired of it. Seriously, it's
like fine habit for kids. It's

1292
01:21:42,930 --> 01:21:45,990
not going to change anything
said whittled down, something

1293
01:21:45,990 --> 01:21:49,920
that parents have to look at
look through, you cannot do? It

1294
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:54,120
does nothing. It does absolutely
nothing other than give parents

1295
01:21:54,270 --> 01:21:56,460
a feeling of oh, I can look at
these things and see if it's

1296
01:21:56,460 --> 01:22:01,080
appropriate. That's all. And
most good kids content will

1297
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:05,550
never be open and free. It'll be
behind a paywall anyway. So I'd

1298
01:22:05,550 --> 01:22:07,620
much rather focus on adult
topics.

1299
01:22:08,250 --> 01:22:10,530
Dave Jones: One? Well, I mean,
James James is saying that the

1300
01:22:10,530 --> 01:22:13,620
only reason this exists would
exist was for you to well, I'm

1301
01:22:14,310 --> 01:22:18,000
well, I mean, maybe but there is
there is you. There are US laws

1302
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:21,060
that you know about, was it
COPPA and all that kind of

1303
01:22:21,060 --> 01:22:24,120
stuff. I mean, there's there's a
legal reason to do it. It goes

1304
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:27,030
beyond YouTube. I understand. I
understand your point. But I

1305
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:30,780
mean, it is. I mean, it's worth
it's worth doing. Well, that may

1306
01:22:30,780 --> 01:22:34,080
be what Tom's for asking for it.
But that's not it doesn't mean

1307
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:35,880
that it's pointless, or it's
only for YouTube.

1308
01:22:35,940 --> 01:22:38,850
Adam Curry: All right. All
right. Now, I'm now leaving the

1309
01:22:38,850 --> 01:22:41,610
chat because this chat is now
used exactly what happens with

1310
01:22:41,610 --> 01:22:45,030
chats and comments and get hubs,
it turns me into an irritated

1311
01:22:45,030 --> 01:22:45,420
man.

1312
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:49,500
Dave Jones: You've dropped the F
bomb twice. You are here. I'm

1313
01:22:49,500 --> 01:22:49,920
very

1314
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:51,540
Adam Curry: irritated by all
this talk.

1315
01:22:51,660 --> 01:22:53,490
Dave Jones: I want to build you
up at once.

1316
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:55,620
Adam Curry: I want more
building. I want to work with

1317
01:22:55,650 --> 01:22:59,970
app developers. I want Martin to
Martin Where's pod friend to

1318
01:22:59,970 --> 01:23:03,930
man, I want to have my account
on pod fans. I can't retrieve my

1319
01:23:03,930 --> 01:23:07,590
account. I want to get going I
have stuff to do. I want to I

1320
01:23:07,590 --> 01:23:11,880
want to make cool shows. I want
to play music. I'm the academia

1321
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:16,800
is killing me. It's killing me.
It's killing me.

1322
01:23:17,519 --> 01:23:20,639
Dave Jones: I don't want you to
die. I mean, let's like, risky,

1323
01:23:20,639 --> 01:23:21,419
this or something?

1324
01:23:21,660 --> 01:23:24,180
Adam Curry: No, no, no. But I
mean, we just talked for 15

1325
01:23:24,180 --> 01:23:28,860
minutes about made for kids. And
and I and I don't I don't care.

1326
01:23:28,890 --> 01:23:34,020
I mean, I think it's I don't I
care, I care that you want it

1327
01:23:34,050 --> 01:23:36,780
and that you think it's a good
thing to do. And I think okay,

1328
01:23:36,780 --> 01:23:41,490
great. I don't make content for
kids. And if I had kids, I

1329
01:23:41,490 --> 01:23:44,670
wouldn't trust them and made for
kids thing anyway. And it's just

1330
01:23:44,730 --> 01:23:49,350
I think there's this is the same
problem that was going on for 10

1331
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:53,790
years without developers. And
now we're just now just bullying

1332
01:23:53,790 --> 01:23:58,890
developers into these long drawn
out conversations about what

1333
01:23:58,890 --> 01:24:01,980
they should do and what what
what is important for them to

1334
01:24:01,980 --> 01:24:02,400
do.

1335
01:24:02,970 --> 01:24:05,190
Dave Jones: Look, everybody gets
pissed at me when I close an

1336
01:24:05,190 --> 01:24:08,940
issue on the on the on the
namespace. I'm gonna close this

1337
01:24:08,940 --> 01:24:11,610
issue and I just want everybody
to understand why when I do it,

1338
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:14,880
don't Why didn't you just say
that? Because I don't want to

1339
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,100
get nasty emails. I'm tired of
it. Yeah,

1340
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:20,430
Adam Curry: that just is just
how it goes. But, but now I see.

1341
01:24:20,460 --> 01:24:24,510
i It's, it's frustrating at
times. He says all this back and

1342
01:24:24,510 --> 01:24:28,590
forth. You know, hey, pod roll,
great idea. Boom, put it in,

1343
01:24:28,650 --> 01:24:31,680
someone implements it great. I
probably I'll probably use it.

1344
01:24:32,250 --> 01:24:35,100
You know, this, this is where
we're going wrong. And a lot of

1345
01:24:35,100 --> 01:24:38,340
people are guilty of this round
and round and round. And he I

1346
01:24:38,340 --> 01:24:42,660
think and I think and I think
and I think you know, it's just

1347
01:24:42,660 --> 01:24:45,540
like let's just get something
going let's get something done.

1348
01:24:46,470 --> 01:24:49,590
The lid tag was the best thing
we ever did very complicated and

1349
01:24:49,590 --> 01:24:53,460
boom, it's just working. And you
know, what, if if crosstab

1350
01:24:53,460 --> 01:24:57,480
comments if, if the app devs
don't don't feel like it is too

1351
01:24:57,480 --> 01:25:00,450
complicated. I'm fine with that
too. And not going to get To me,

1352
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:04,500
yes, nothing is not the end of
the world. You know, I'm okay

1353
01:25:04,500 --> 01:25:08,280
with that I do a podcast, I'd
love to, I'd love to do more

1354
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:12,060
podcasting, or podcaster no
one's asked me what I want. But

1355
01:25:12,060 --> 01:25:14,670
I'm gonna tell you, I want to do
music and I want to artists to

1356
01:25:14,670 --> 01:25:18,150
be compensated. And I think we
can kickstart a huge revolution

1357
01:25:18,330 --> 01:25:21,180
by bringing music radio to
podcasting the way it's never

1358
01:25:21,180 --> 01:25:24,930
been done before. Because unlike
a radio in the United States, at

1359
01:25:24,930 --> 01:25:27,510
least, when your record is
played on the radio, you don't

1360
01:25:27,510 --> 01:25:31,710
get paid for it. No one gets
paid for it. And I want that I

1361
01:25:31,710 --> 01:25:34,560
want everyone including the
drummer to get paid when I play

1362
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:38,700
it on my podcast. That's what I
want. I think people can get

1363
01:25:38,700 --> 01:25:39,330
behind that.

1364
01:25:40,230 --> 01:25:43,290
Dave Jones: Which is always
surprising to me that

1365
01:25:44,310 --> 01:25:47,310
Adam Curry: and I always point
out, I bring the SATs to your

1366
01:25:47,310 --> 01:25:52,560
door developers, I bring the
Satoshis everyone could get up

1367
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:55,860
and do a podcast I get up do a
podcast and bring you SATs.

1368
01:25:57,750 --> 01:26:00,750
Dave Jones: So how do we how do
we make it? How do we make this

1369
01:26:00,750 --> 01:26:06,270
happen? Why do we need we made
for kids? No, no, no, no, no,

1370
01:26:06,270 --> 01:26:08,460
I'm done with that. I'm about to
go close that.

1371
01:26:09,390 --> 01:26:15,210
Adam Curry: Close it now. Close
it live on the air. I love you.

1372
01:26:16,260 --> 01:26:19,980
We think so like except, except
you're so kind when you say it.

1373
01:26:19,980 --> 01:26:22,350
I don't know. How do you do it?
There's something about you.

1374
01:26:24,330 --> 01:26:28,740
Dave Jones: This? No, I mean,
like, the chapters, like I mean,

1375
01:26:28,740 --> 01:26:34,170
like we just need Okay, so we
need we need the we need to get

1376
01:26:34,170 --> 01:26:36,900
remote with the mirlo value. We
need the value block and the

1377
01:26:36,900 --> 01:26:42,030
chapters. And we need we need
reply back, which would be

1378
01:26:42,030 --> 01:26:43,050
pretty spiffy.

1379
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:46,050
Adam Curry: Do we need that? Or
are you just let's do it while

1380
01:26:46,050 --> 01:26:48,600
we're doing this anyway. Yeah,
let's do it while we're doing it

1381
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:52,140
anyway. GLV isn't doesn't mean
we don't need anything any reply

1382
01:26:52,140 --> 01:26:55,410
back for doing this at this
point. But your your Well, hold

1383
01:26:55,410 --> 01:26:59,400
on. I liked this actually. So
then the artist can see who sent

1384
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:01,080
the booster gram and can reply
back.

1385
01:27:02,190 --> 01:27:04,170
Dave Jones: Yeah, so here's what
here's what I want. I wrote

1386
01:27:04,170 --> 01:27:09,840
these things down. This is what
I want in the in the TLV. I want

1387
01:27:11,460 --> 01:27:17,760
this is my wish list. I want to
I want to return a dress, which

1388
01:27:17,790 --> 01:27:20,640
this is it's got to be a J It's
gotta be a JSON blog. So it's

1389
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:23,250
got to be here because it's got
to have all the stuff, it's got

1390
01:27:23,250 --> 01:27:29,640
to have the node address, it's
got to have the custom custom

1391
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:33,180
key custom value, it's got to
have that stuff in order to

1392
01:27:33,180 --> 01:27:38,700
support things properly. We got
I want that I want an identity

1393
01:27:38,700 --> 01:27:44,910
key, like a nostre key that can
go into the TLV like a public

1394
01:27:44,910 --> 01:27:50,130
key so that you can again by
choice. I like that, because we

1395
01:27:50,130 --> 01:27:54,240
were talking the other day about
potentially like Alex had a good

1396
01:27:54,240 --> 01:28:00,330
idea about putting a nostril
identity into XMPP and other but

1397
01:28:00,330 --> 01:28:03,720
basically layering these nostra
identities onto other protocols,

1398
01:28:04,170 --> 01:28:09,510
so that they're so that they're
portable. So if if we, if we can

1399
01:28:09,510 --> 01:28:15,660
do that, we could take it we
could have a key pair option in

1400
01:28:15,660 --> 01:28:19,560
the TLV and optional entry where
if you wanted to attach an

1401
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:24,960
identity to it, you could and I
also want you to JSON payment

1402
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:31,950
tokens, Alex's proposal for
proof of payment that I want I

1403
01:28:31,950 --> 01:28:35,670
want those three things in the
to V and I'm going to bet now

1404
01:28:35,670 --> 01:28:40,560
that Alwyn from contracts now
that he has put he's brought

1405
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:46,620
blipped in over into the
namespace. We can more it'll be

1406
01:28:46,620 --> 01:28:53,460
much easier to control the TLV
on on our own repo instance we

1407
01:28:53,490 --> 01:28:56,130
you know, rather than having to
wait for merging right from

1408
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:59,400
Adam Curry: from can we can do
whatever we want, right? We can

1409
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:04,080
just put it we want okay. All
right. So that's what you want.

1410
01:29:04,110 --> 01:29:06,720
We know what I want. That
meeting adjourned. Great meeting

1411
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:07,650
everybody. Thanks for being

1412
01:29:09,330 --> 01:29:10,920
Dave Jones: with us. This
qualifies minutes.

1413
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:14,400
Adam Curry: The first thing I
have to do is I have to get a

1414
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,760
Steven b a motherboard. And she
said he said no development

1415
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:19,860
happens. I get my motherboard.
Oh man.

1416
01:29:20,730 --> 01:29:23,790
Dave Jones: Steven, tell me tell
me what you want.

1417
01:29:24,090 --> 01:29:25,740
Adam Curry: We'll get your
motherboard man. We'll buy you a

1418
01:29:25,740 --> 01:29:26,370
motherboard.

1419
01:29:26,820 --> 01:29:27,690
Dave Jones: I'll buy you a
laptop.

1420
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:32,160
Adam Curry: Laptop. I'm in Dave
we're pitching together.

1421
01:29:32,820 --> 01:29:34,140
Dave Jones: I mean if it as long
as it doesn't have to be

1422
01:29:34,140 --> 01:29:37,530
anything super brand new I mean
get a laptop for you know 50

1423
01:29:37,530 --> 01:29:37,950
bucks

1424
01:29:40,140 --> 01:29:43,830
Adam Curry: Wow, you're man,
you're just the man aren't you

1425
01:29:43,830 --> 01:29:48,450
today give away 50 podcasting
2.0 Giveaway $50 laptops,

1426
01:29:49,290 --> 01:29:52,320
Dave Jones: like like a like a
Lenovo like a five year old

1427
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:55,080
Lenovo T 15 which is still a
great machine. You can find

1428
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:58,350
those on eBay for like painty 75
bucks my go

1429
01:29:58,350 --> 01:30:04,530
Adam Curry: to is the surface Go
version three with running mint

1430
01:30:05,159 --> 01:30:06,839
Dave Jones: that's why I'm
saying these I mean these older

1431
01:30:06,839 --> 01:30:09,209
lads well super run great

1432
01:30:10,230 --> 01:30:12,870
Adam Curry: Dred Scott as he has
a he said, I wonder if we could

1433
01:30:12,870 --> 01:30:16,110
use chapter values for NA image
art when using art from the Art

1434
01:30:16,110 --> 01:30:18,360
Generator? I'm not quite I think
I know what I'm what he's saying

1435
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:22,710
but just so you know, whenever
we use an artist that will use

1436
01:30:22,710 --> 01:30:27,090
album art from the Art Generator
for no agenda if that artist has

1437
01:30:27,090 --> 01:30:31,470
a get Alby address or any
lightning address in their, in

1438
01:30:31,470 --> 01:30:36,300
their profile I use it give him
5%. And you know, you notice

1439
01:30:36,300 --> 01:30:40,650
that the artists don't talk
about that much. Because they

1440
01:30:40,650 --> 01:30:44,400
know is like, Wow, if I get in
the blog, I mean, the no agenda

1441
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:52,380
blog, get some action. Get some
action, lots of action. Lots of

1442
01:30:52,380 --> 01:30:56,520
action happening there. It
doesn't even go to no agenda. It

1443
01:30:56,520 --> 01:31:00,300
goes to everybody else, which is
why I love it so much. I'm

1444
01:31:00,300 --> 01:31:03,180
excited about this. And I really
have already been thinking about

1445
01:31:03,180 --> 01:31:08,100
a name. You know, there's tons
of content, there's tons of

1446
01:31:08,100 --> 01:31:12,990
music, there's tons of artists.
And you know, I'm very excited.

1447
01:31:12,990 --> 01:31:18,240
I'm so excited about leading the
way and let's let's have 1000

1448
01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:23,880
music shows. This is what we're
missing. Do you have your at the

1449
01:31:25,020 --> 01:31:28,200
artists are at the mercy of the
algo

1450
01:31:28,770 --> 01:31:33,180
Dave Jones: boost? So are you
waiting to start this show until

1451
01:31:33,180 --> 01:31:34,740
you get these chapter values?

1452
01:31:35,070 --> 01:31:37,170
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's that's
all I need. The minute I have

1453
01:31:37,170 --> 01:31:40,650
that I'm off to the races. The
minute I have that and the end

1454
01:31:40,650 --> 01:31:43,740
as I said, there's a lot of
artists who bought back their

1455
01:31:43,740 --> 01:31:46,740
royal their their rights, they
have the rights and they're

1456
01:31:46,740 --> 01:31:51,840
happy to they're happy to do the
experiment. I'm not sure what

1457
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:54,750
difference does it make not
making money off it any other

1458
01:31:54,750 --> 01:31:58,890
way? So yes, I'm waiting for
that and the minute that's

1459
01:31:58,890 --> 01:32:00,990
there, then then we're good to
go.

1460
01:32:03,450 --> 01:32:09,030
Dave Jones: Shred it in. So I'm
going to a comic cons route

1461
01:32:09,030 --> 01:32:12,720
after the show. What up and
hunts have in Huntsville, you

1462
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:15,630
actually go into a Comic Con.
Yeah, it's up in Huntsville,

1463
01:32:15,630 --> 01:32:18,810
Alabama. I'm like a huge, make
no apologies. I'm a huge Star

1464
01:32:18,810 --> 01:32:21,870
Trek nerd. And I want to go get
my picture made with William

1465
01:32:21,870 --> 01:32:22,320
Shatner.

1466
01:32:22,950 --> 01:32:25,020
Adam Curry: Oh, he's gonna be
there. Yeah,

1467
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:27,900
Dave Jones: it's like 1000 years
old. Wow, I

1468
01:32:27,900 --> 01:32:32,850
Adam Curry: didn't Yeah, that's
interesting. Dave for all all

1469
01:32:32,850 --> 01:32:35,370
the years I've known you I did
not know any of this.

1470
01:32:35,610 --> 01:32:40,440
Dave Jones: You didn't know as a
Star Trek nerd. No. It's I keep

1471
01:32:40,440 --> 01:32:42,930
it to myself, but you know, it's
no secret

1472
01:32:45,060 --> 01:32:47,610
Unknown: you certainly have your
sensory definitely a space

1473
01:32:47,610 --> 01:32:52,140
vessel of some type. Origin
unknown could hardly be an

1474
01:32:52,140 --> 01:32:53,700
Earthship there have been no
flights into

1475
01:32:53,700 --> 01:32:56,160
Adam Curry: this sector for
years now named the episode

1476
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:05,520
Dave Jones: that no there's
there's no way there's no

1477
01:33:05,670 --> 01:33:07,800
Unknown: Chinese this week
launched something called a

1478
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:09,810
quantum communication satellite

1479
01:33:10,200 --> 01:33:12,090
Adam Curry: something different
I'm just going through my all my

1480
01:33:12,090 --> 01:33:16,050
clips. He lives for Star Trek
stuff. I've all kinds of stuff

1481
01:33:16,140 --> 01:33:19,440
Dave Jones: we can dive into but
I had to write it down run race

1482
01:33:19,530 --> 01:33:24,270
right what down the chapter
level value blog so well. Okay.

1483
01:33:24,900 --> 01:33:25,350
Adam Curry: Yeah.

1484
01:33:27,030 --> 01:33:30,030
Dave Jones: What is there a bed
of space music going on here?

1485
01:33:30,030 --> 01:33:33,510
Adam Curry: This is Star Trek.
This is the Cincinnati pops our

1486
01:33:33,570 --> 01:33:36,810
orchestra. This playing on
battle theme.

1487
01:33:38,130 --> 01:33:39,450
Dave Jones: That is the Klingons
battle. Yes.

1488
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:44,670
Adam Curry: As you recognize it
immediately. Battle Royale Yes.

1489
01:33:44,700 --> 01:33:47,130
Put your glasses up on your nose
Hello nerd

1490
01:33:51,390 --> 01:33:55,050
Dave Jones: a you call nerd now
but in a couple of hours. I'll

1491
01:33:55,050 --> 01:33:56,460
have a picture with William
Shatner. And you

1492
01:33:56,850 --> 01:33:59,430
Adam Curry: can I just say some
I love you Dave Jones all

1493
01:33:59,430 --> 01:34:02,160
aspects of you all facets.
There's nothing wrong with you

1494
01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:06,600
my brother. So we thank you for
people here so so we can just

1495
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:10,950
take a breath. We shall and boy
do we have some people to thank

1496
01:34:11,310 --> 01:34:17,340
we got some nice booster grams
55,555 What's the five five by

1497
01:34:17,340 --> 01:34:21,390
five? I guess five by five
boost? Oh, nice from HR and he

1498
01:34:21,390 --> 01:34:27,660
says for all the drummers out
there. Yeah. Drummer gets paid

1499
01:34:27,690 --> 01:34:29,280
Yes. drummers. Oh,

1500
01:34:29,340 --> 01:34:32,250
Dave Jones: by the way that I've
got I've got to throw this in

1501
01:34:32,250 --> 01:34:40,350
here. So there's a guy here in
town that teaches guitar lessons

1502
01:34:40,470 --> 01:34:45,330
and drum lessons and he's just a
great great dude. He runs a a

1503
01:34:45,330 --> 01:34:50,640
nonprofit thing for inner city
case was right down the street

1504
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:56,040
from us to teach kids how to
play music, and lots of great

1505
01:34:56,310 --> 01:35:00,120
volunteer work and everything.
But he's just a cool dude. And

1506
01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:05,040
so he he played and toured with
bands for many years. And so I'm

1507
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:07,440
Oh, he invited us over me and
Melissa overdose house to eat

1508
01:35:07,440 --> 01:35:10,770
dinner and wherever they're
eating, and he said, because we

1509
01:35:10,770 --> 01:35:14,670
donate to their to their thing
and he was like, he's like,

1510
01:35:15,450 --> 01:35:18,030
saying something about it about
country music. I said, Well,

1511
01:35:18,030 --> 01:35:21,210
I've got I've got to admit to
you that my, my secret shame is

1512
01:35:21,210 --> 01:35:25,260
that I'm a huge Janata Twain
fan. And he was like, he was

1513
01:35:25,260 --> 01:35:31,200
like, Dude, we had he said,
we're doing a concert in October

1514
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:35,820
where we're doing nothing but
should not wine covers. And he

1515
01:35:35,820 --> 01:35:38,610
was like, he was like, you play
drums? writessay Yeah, he's

1516
01:35:38,610 --> 01:35:43,290
like, our drummer is super flaky
and in in tends to bail out

1517
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:45,750
you're gonna bail us out. Can
you please play drums for our

1518
01:35:45,750 --> 01:35:51,240
hotline concert? So there's a
chance that we'll be playing

1519
01:35:51,750 --> 01:35:52,500
twinset

1520
01:35:52,530 --> 01:35:55,290
Adam Curry: dude and October you
what you need is you need that

1521
01:35:55,290 --> 01:35:59,790
Tommy Lee cage flips over you
need to wear the little Speedo.

1522
01:36:00,690 --> 01:36:02,760
Dave Jones: spins around goes
upside down. Yeah, one

1523
01:36:03,690 --> 01:36:06,030
Adam Curry: little Speedo
underwear. Yeah, man. You could

1524
01:36:06,030 --> 01:36:09,030
be telling me you got a gift
tattoo. You have no tattoos?

1525
01:36:09,060 --> 01:36:10,500
Dave Jones: No, no, no, don't do
that.

1526
01:36:10,559 --> 01:36:15,329
Adam Curry: We should get a tap
together. Like the heart. Yeah.

1527
01:36:17,549 --> 01:36:22,919
We got 77,777 from Mike Newman.
He says a striper boost for

1528
01:36:22,919 --> 01:36:29,429
mercy. He says love Bart and the
boys. I love him too. Man. Those

1529
01:36:29,429 --> 01:36:33,779
are those are really nice. Guy's
super nice guys. Great show two.

1530
01:36:34,049 --> 01:36:38,819
Good music. Curtis Peterson
50,000 SATs we eat this week

1531
01:36:38,819 --> 01:36:42,449
Dave. Thanks for Thanks for the
great discussion and all your

1532
01:36:42,449 --> 01:36:47,459
work as a consumer of pods. Is
there a way to aid podcasters in

1533
01:36:47,459 --> 01:36:53,609
keeping channels open and ensure
inbound capacity? Well,

1534
01:36:53,610 --> 01:36:54,630
Dave Jones: we do that's one of
our jobs.

1535
01:36:54,660 --> 01:36:56,370
Adam Curry: That's what we do. I
mean, you know, we're still

1536
01:36:56,370 --> 01:37:02,250
suffering from from the Zappa
Palooza where people I got a

1537
01:37:02,250 --> 01:37:06,060
message the other day, you you,
you first close my eyes and my

1538
01:37:06,060 --> 01:37:09,630
channel. No, we didn't force
closing on purpose. In fact,

1539
01:37:09,630 --> 01:37:12,060
I've never force closed
everything, anything on purpose.

1540
01:37:12,390 --> 01:37:15,420
That's just the nature of what
happens sometimes. So hit us up

1541
01:37:15,420 --> 01:37:18,270
where happened to we're happy to
if it closes, let us know. We'll

1542
01:37:18,270 --> 01:37:24,150
open it again. That's what we
do. Have had 1111 Sir Spencer

1543
01:37:24,210 --> 01:37:30,120
33,333 It says music splits is a
life changer. I love the idea of

1544
01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:33,300
some dynamic value tag that
listens to what's now playing

1545
01:37:33,300 --> 01:37:36,810
for a live stream that plays
music, which even be made with

1546
01:37:36,810 --> 01:37:40,440
the split kit is a piece of the
puzzle just looks just something

1547
01:37:40,440 --> 01:37:42,930
that looks at a dynamic value
block that is changing

1548
01:37:42,930 --> 01:37:45,840
throughout a live item. I love
the chapter level value block

1549
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:49,950
idea. Well I think we've kind of
figured out we're gonna do and

1550
01:37:49,950 --> 01:37:53,340
it's live streams are great.
And, and I intend to do some

1551
01:37:53,340 --> 01:37:56,640
shows lit but I'm gonna have to
do some production because we

1552
01:37:56,640 --> 01:38:00,900
have to, we can't release a
podcast before with music and it

1553
01:38:00,900 --> 01:38:03,450
before all the chapter value
blocks are in. So we're gonna

1554
01:38:03,480 --> 01:38:06,450
want to take this one. I'm gonna
do some little extra work on

1555
01:38:06,450 --> 01:38:10,320
this, not just ram it out live
and get it done. But it's gonna

1556
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:14,220
be for the ages and I'm very
excited. There's our Sam Sethi,

1557
01:38:14,220 --> 01:38:16,530
which we read Thank you very
much Sam Brian of London.

1558
01:38:16,740 --> 01:38:26,160
7100 71,948 So a super Israel
Israel boost. 1948 being the

1559
01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:29,220
date there. Of course hive has
decentralized identity and

1560
01:38:29,220 --> 01:38:33,180
comments smiley face with
laughing tears. And here's my

1561
01:38:33,180 --> 01:38:36,960
boost is about two times what I
pay for chat. GPT which I've got

1562
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:41,370
to say has become very useful to
me learning view and JavaScript.

1563
01:38:42,030 --> 01:38:48,720
Well, good. I'm glad chat GPT
that I love what's happening

1564
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:50,460
with chat GPT it's too funny.

1565
01:38:51,330 --> 01:38:54,240
Dave Jones: Never, never never
gonna know not a champion.

1566
01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:55,200
That's not

1567
01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:57,420
Adam Curry: interested. It did
write a cool shell script for

1568
01:38:57,420 --> 01:39:02,520
me. That was interesting. Steven
B 1111. Oh, yeah, yeah, why was

1569
01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:06,360
a very base if I could have gone
to Stack Overflow,

1570
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:10,470
Dave Jones: and got RM dash RM
dash RF slash. There's your

1571
01:39:10,500 --> 01:39:11,040
There you go.

1572
01:39:13,290 --> 01:39:16,530
Adam Curry: Martin Linda's coke.
1776 More power to Martin apod

1573
01:39:16,530 --> 01:39:21,480
friend best premises. Martin Lee
does coke. Absurd observations?

1574
01:39:21,510 --> 01:39:23,280
Oh, hold on him sir. Observation

1575
01:39:24,330 --> 01:39:29,280
Unknown: Sakala 20 his blade
only Impala. 100,000

1576
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:33,570
Adam Curry: Satoshis. How does
one whoa not know the intro to

1577
01:39:33,570 --> 01:39:40,110
Baker Street? That's from our
pre pre show. Running with

1578
01:39:40,110 --> 01:39:43,740
Scissors emojis, love these lit
conversations and agree with DJ

1579
01:39:43,740 --> 01:39:53,160
about nostril. Go podcast. All
right. Circus media 12345

1580
01:39:53,160 --> 01:39:55,230
Elementary booths. Good work.
Gentlemen. Thank you for your

1581
01:39:55,230 --> 01:39:58,830
courage. Thank you very much
circus media. Pete's bawling.

1582
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:05,430
That's it Ah guy 11,111 Nice
satchel Richards my first live

1583
01:40:05,430 --> 01:40:09,330
boost Welcome to the club ma'am.
We got the mike Newman one on

1584
01:40:09,330 --> 01:40:12,090
one on one. Oh, thank you. We
got the Dred Scott Satoshi slam.

1585
01:40:12,270 --> 01:40:16,470
Eric p p 33,333. We got the
anonymous boosting for the boost

1586
01:40:16,470 --> 01:40:21,000
thank you with you one to one to
one to 8000 SATs from our Davis

1587
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:23,610
87 and boosting for Dave Jones
in concert

1588
01:40:25,470 --> 01:40:27,600
Dave Jones: man a woman

1589
01:40:30,780 --> 01:40:38,730
Adam Curry: go podcasting and
some service goat karma I

1590
01:40:38,730 --> 01:40:43,350
thought was the goat no karma
but a goat goat. Let's see then.

1591
01:40:43,350 --> 01:40:48,000
This is all from the pre show.
Tone record. 1111 Murata wrote

1592
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:52,440
Donna Summers hit I feel love.
Yes, indeed he did. 2222 from

1593
01:40:52,440 --> 01:40:55,050
tone record Friday is live day
way to kick off the afternoon

1594
01:40:55,050 --> 01:40:58,110
neverending story written by
Giorgio Moroder for limahl and

1595
01:40:58,110 --> 01:41:00,630
we were doing a lot of illegal
stuff earlier, weren't we?

1596
01:41:02,070 --> 01:41:06,540
Anonymous testing the booths
terrific boosts chat F 3333. Got

1597
01:41:06,540 --> 01:41:14,400
my pod burst notification all
systems go. And, yes, lyceum. I

1598
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:17,610
got a needed positive push from
one of my co hosts on one of my

1599
01:41:17,610 --> 01:41:22,110
podcasts. Martin colong. Talk to
our incoming guests about the

1600
01:41:22,110 --> 01:41:26,130
value of new podcast apps and
features like clips making from

1601
01:41:26,130 --> 01:41:29,310
an episode if you're a guest.
You are known from internet

1602
01:41:29,310 --> 01:41:31,830
radio and Here's an excerpt a
teaser from the conversation

1603
01:41:31,830 --> 01:41:35,190
I've no idea what I'm reading,
thanks to fountain fountain pod

1604
01:41:35,190 --> 01:41:38,190
verse at all for making it
possible. And now with POD fans

1605
01:41:38,190 --> 01:41:41,160
going from Alpha stage to
Running with Scissors, scissors

1606
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:46,710
emoji upside down smiley emoji
from Martin Linda's code. And

1607
01:41:46,710 --> 01:41:53,760
let's see, then I believe
there's one more here. Dobby das

1608
01:41:54,210 --> 01:41:55,050
Dobie das

1609
01:41:55,410 --> 01:41:57,660
Dave Jones: na ws Rs This blue

1610
01:41:57,690 --> 01:42:03,660
Adam Curry: 29675 message
encrypted in the SAT amount to

1611
01:42:03,660 --> 01:42:08,130
96752967

1612
01:42:08,490 --> 01:42:11,250
Dave Jones: What would the would
the code be?

1613
01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:18,960
Adam Curry: I don't know what
the code 29675 Upside Down PSL G

1614
01:42:18,960 --> 01:42:22,980
known as not upside. work if you
stumped you stumped the band.

1615
01:42:25,620 --> 01:42:26,820
Dave Jones: Basic 64.

1616
01:42:27,540 --> 01:42:30,030
Adam Curry: No idea. No idea
what you're talking about. Hey.

1617
01:42:31,440 --> 01:42:35,130
No, no, that's a delimiter
delimiter delimiter. Okay. Go

1618
01:42:35,130 --> 01:42:36,120
over to you, Bob.

1619
01:42:36,389 --> 01:42:38,069
Dave Jones: Eating at me up.
Okay.

1620
01:42:38,099 --> 01:42:38,999
Adam Curry: You're good to go.

1621
01:42:39,389 --> 01:42:44,519
Dave Jones: We got we got
exactly one Pay Pal this week.

1622
01:42:44,549 --> 01:42:47,219
And that was from Marco $500.
Oh, we'll

1623
01:42:47,220 --> 01:42:48,690
Adam Curry: take that. Thank you
very much. Mark.

1624
01:42:49,679 --> 01:42:53,459
Unknown: Sakala 20 is played on
him, Paula.

1625
01:42:54,150 --> 01:42:56,370
Adam Curry: I love how we don't
have to tell him anything. Don't

1626
01:42:56,370 --> 01:42:58,350
we don't tell him what to do.
And he supports us.

1627
01:42:58,830 --> 01:43:01,020
Dave Jones: That's what he said.
I don't want to be told what to

1628
01:43:01,020 --> 01:43:03,360
do. So and we don't

1629
01:43:03,450 --> 01:43:05,940
Adam Curry: we don't? We don't.
It's a very simple

1630
01:43:05,940 --> 01:43:06,570
Dave Jones: relationship.

1631
01:43:06,600 --> 01:43:09,180
Adam Curry: Yes. It's one of the
best ones we have. And we

1632
01:43:09,180 --> 01:43:13,020
appreciate it so much. We really
thank you, Marco go overcast.

1633
01:43:13,590 --> 01:43:17,220
Dave Jones: I'll read the I'll
read the monthlies first because

1634
01:43:17,220 --> 01:43:19,620
we only get we've got four of
those and then we'll read the

1635
01:43:19,620 --> 01:43:22,320
booths. All right, we got
monthlies where Michael Gagan $5

1636
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:29,610
Charles current $5 Trevor zener
$5 and Paul airscale $11.14

1637
01:43:29,610 --> 01:43:30,120
Thank you. We

1638
01:43:30,120 --> 01:43:32,520
Adam Curry: got six servers
running for that we appreciate

1639
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:36,960
that. So that's those are the
monthlies. I think a lot of

1640
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:40,860
people gave up too. I mean, I
really feel that this tax season

1641
01:43:40,890 --> 01:43:41,700
hurt us.

1642
01:43:43,770 --> 01:43:44,730
Dave Jones: It hurt me.

1643
01:43:45,750 --> 01:43:50,610
Adam Curry: For sure. I'll tell
you it hurt me too. Yeah, I'm so

1644
01:43:50,610 --> 01:43:54,600
mad because I could have given
money more money away turns out

1645
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:56,910
you can give you can give away
more than you used to this year

1646
01:43:56,940 --> 01:44:01,020
for some reason. Oh, really?
Yeah. I thought it was 10 grand.

1647
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:05,220
And but now you can give away
more. I'm like, and I could have

1648
01:44:05,220 --> 01:44:08,310
traveled more because I can
write that off. Now instead of

1649
01:44:08,310 --> 01:44:10,710
sending it to Ukraine. It's like

1650
01:44:11,820 --> 01:44:19,740
Dave Jones: a 111 hamara at a
time yeah. See, so we got some

1651
01:44:19,740 --> 01:44:22,890
booths we got anonymous central
Richards go podcasting thinking

1652
01:44:22,890 --> 01:44:26,580
on this thank you get the
trickler since 1234 That would

1653
01:44:26,580 --> 01:44:30,420
be the Swedish trickling through
fountain he says go podcasting.

1654
01:44:30,450 --> 01:44:31,500
Adam Curry: Yes won't give them
one

1655
01:44:34,620 --> 01:44:39,990
Dave Jones: we'll see total
recur sent 9999 through fountain

1656
01:44:39,990 --> 01:44:42,450
he says worlds colliding an
episode with quality people

1657
01:44:42,450 --> 01:44:45,390
building things, exploring ideas
and even multiple chat rooms

1658
01:44:45,390 --> 01:44:48,330
running in the curry countdown
teaser idea tossed out at the

1659
01:44:48,330 --> 01:44:49,020
end boom.

1660
01:44:50,190 --> 01:44:53,370
Adam Curry: Yes. Well, and we're
taking we're taking it beyond

1661
01:44:53,370 --> 01:44:56,880
the countdown. The countdown was
just one you know. There was

1662
01:44:56,880 --> 01:45:00,900
some valid feedback about the
countdown and The, you know,

1663
01:45:00,900 --> 01:45:04,500
this is always the problem with
countdowns with charts, which is

1664
01:45:04,500 --> 01:45:08,670
why don't like him? Obviously,
we can't just do it on amount of

1665
01:45:08,670 --> 01:45:11,160
SATs received because then
anyone could boost themselves

1666
01:45:11,160 --> 01:45:16,260
into the into the top, top 10.
Right, Joe, you know, we have to

1667
01:45:16,260 --> 01:45:17,280
avoid that.

1668
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:21,390
Dave Jones: It's I mean, they
would essentially do what Taylor

1669
01:45:21,390 --> 01:45:22,620
Swift does. Yeah.

1670
01:45:23,820 --> 01:45:27,120
Adam Curry: So we want to avoid
that. So that's why I'm so

1671
01:45:27,150 --> 01:45:30,810
excited about just starting,
just starting a show with

1672
01:45:30,810 --> 01:45:34,650
artists who are valued for
value. Everybody gets paid, by

1673
01:45:34,650 --> 01:45:39,180
the way, so does your app, your
app your app gets everybody gets

1674
01:45:39,180 --> 01:45:44,010
a piece. You know, I gotta say
one more thing. So someone on on

1675
01:45:44,010 --> 01:45:49,920
nostril mostly, if I'm loaded up
here, created something called

1676
01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:55,650
zap worthy. And immediately went
to no agenda on an episode and

1677
01:45:55,650 --> 01:45:58,950
shows that Oh, no, I can zap
your show. I'm like, please

1678
01:45:58,950 --> 01:46:03,000
don't do this. You're cutting
out everybody who's in the value

1679
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:07,170
block split. Right? Now it's
like ah,

1680
01:46:08,220 --> 01:46:12,570
Dave Jones: this this is a
problem. I don't understand.

1681
01:46:12,570 --> 01:46:17,640
Yeah, I don't there's no and
this is a frustrating thing

1682
01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:19,950
about about the nostre
development community that

1683
01:46:19,950 --> 01:46:23,520
they're not they're not seeing
they're not seeing all these

1684
01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:28,470
things and they're not cutting
everything this okay, I'm not

1685
01:46:28,470 --> 01:46:33,060
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go
Jihad them. I'm gonna get back

1686
01:46:33,060 --> 01:46:36,000
to booster grand. Okay, because
I'm going to end up spending 15

1687
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:38,070
Min. I everybody will leave.

1688
01:46:39,210 --> 01:46:44,850
Adam Curry: What who's watching?
Is anybody still here? Pauling,

1689
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:45,750
Dave Jones: P.

1690
01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:47,160
Adam Curry: Pauling.

1691
01:46:47,580 --> 01:46:48,570
Dave Jones: Do you know Pete
Pauling?

1692
01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:51,060
Adam Curry: Well, it's a Dutch
name and Pete would be Pete and

1693
01:46:51,060 --> 01:46:56,760
Pauling is eel is piling is a
very Dutch like eating their

1694
01:46:56,790 --> 01:47:01,050
eel. Yielding eel pilings, we
say hey, like a bottling kit?

1695
01:47:01,380 --> 01:47:01,920
Yeah.

1696
01:47:02,550 --> 01:47:04,680
Dave Jones: Good. So you must
know him right? Of course.

1697
01:47:05,160 --> 01:47:06,780
Adam Curry: Of course. I'd
probably I probably slept with

1698
01:47:06,780 --> 01:47:07,740
them. It's

1699
01:47:08,910 --> 01:47:12,030
Dave Jones: it's like, it's like
that old the old some old

1700
01:47:12,030 --> 01:47:17,460
episode of The Roseanne Barr
show it was Roseanne Episode

1701
01:47:17,460 --> 01:47:20,670
Episode of Roseanne, where it
was like one of their like, her

1702
01:47:20,670 --> 01:47:24,750
balls or something was was gay.
And he's like, Yeah, I'm he's

1703
01:47:24,750 --> 01:47:27,930
like at Poker Night. And he's
like, yeah, he's a young guy.

1704
01:47:28,380 --> 01:47:33,360
And nobody knew it get a price
get super uncomfortable. All

1705
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:37,110
these you know, dudes, and
they're like, Oh, I know a guy

1706
01:47:37,110 --> 01:47:43,290
who's gay. He lives in Chicago.
You must know. His name's John.

1707
01:47:43,290 --> 01:47:46,260
He's Oh, yeah. Yeah, no engage
John from Chicago. Everybody

1708
01:47:46,260 --> 01:47:47,670
knows gauge for Chicago.

1709
01:47:48,690 --> 01:47:50,850
Adam Curry: Sir bemrose says
something in the in the chat

1710
01:47:50,850 --> 01:47:53,610
here says addict perhaps David
data could publish more

1711
01:47:53,610 --> 01:47:56,280
information about how the index
helps to provide podcasters with

1712
01:47:56,280 --> 01:48:00,150
inbound SATs. That's what we do
wasn't a very good explanation.

1713
01:48:00,150 --> 01:48:03,510
I'd said literally, send us your
node and we'll open a channel. I

1714
01:48:03,510 --> 01:48:07,110
don't know what more explanation
if someone knows they need an

1715
01:48:07,140 --> 01:48:12,630
inbound SATs than they know what
they're talking about. Yes, that

1716
01:48:12,630 --> 01:48:18,840
but okay, maybe it's confusing
for so you can use a custodial

1717
01:48:18,840 --> 01:48:28,650
service, like get Alby or even
fountain or any other type of

1718
01:48:29,430 --> 01:48:32,970
system out there. Or you can set
up your own. And if you set up

1719
01:48:32,970 --> 01:48:36,120
your own, we're happy to open a
channel to you so that SATs can

1720
01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:39,900
flow to you. And otherwise we're
getting into explaining how the

1721
01:48:39,900 --> 01:48:42,360
Lightning Network works. I don't
think that's what we want to do.

1722
01:48:43,410 --> 01:48:47,670
Dave Jones: Yeah, if if you are
having trouble maintaining

1723
01:48:47,670 --> 01:48:52,740
enough liquidity, ask us for a
bigger channel and we will give

1724
01:48:52,740 --> 01:48:55,290
you a bigger channel. I mean,
that's pretty simple, right?

1725
01:48:55,290 --> 01:49:00,990
Yeah, yeah. Pizza the pizza
doesn't send a donation on chain

1726
01:49:00,990 --> 01:49:03,210
but somehow is not showing up on
the tally coin page.

1727
01:49:03,540 --> 01:49:04,800
Unknown: No, hold on a second

1728
01:49:04,830 --> 01:49:09,270
Adam Curry: here. Tada is your
tally coin broken tally bomb

1729
01:49:09,270 --> 01:49:09,810
banana.

1730
01:49:10,200 --> 01:49:11,910
Dave Jones: Let me say I hope
it's not broken. That's the

1731
01:49:11,910 --> 01:49:12,600
chain baby.

1732
01:49:12,630 --> 01:49:18,240
Adam Curry: It's on Shane. Man.
We'll see we got I have ninth of

1733
01:49:18,240 --> 01:49:23,460
April but that I thought we read
that one. I don't see anything

1734
01:49:23,460 --> 01:49:29,160
else on the Yeah, that was the
33,330 Sam is super cool. He's

1735
01:49:29,160 --> 01:49:33,000
like yeah, that's from that was
from chyron. Something must have

1736
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:35,160
gone wrong. I don't know when
you sent it. Something was a

1737
01:49:35,160 --> 01:49:37,380
chain. You broke he broke it
man. It's

1738
01:49:37,380 --> 01:49:40,380
Dave Jones: Fleetwood Mac with
it. Oh, another one for pay.

1739
01:49:40,380 --> 01:49:45,150
Pauling 4321 Ah, see now was not
showing up on telecoil I sent

1740
01:49:45,150 --> 01:49:45,870
the wrong amount.

1741
01:49:47,880 --> 01:49:49,230
Adam Curry: Okay, thanks. Yeah,
I guess

1742
01:49:50,790 --> 01:49:53,670
Dave Jones: to solve a problem
by doing nothing at all. Chad F

1743
01:49:53,700 --> 01:49:59,970
3333. Can't wait for Adams top
40 radio show. Same here Comac.

1744
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:04,050
Formic 9999 through fountains to
celebrating growth my show

1745
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:07,170
America plus has been in the top
50 shows on fountain for two

1746
01:50:07,170 --> 01:50:10,770
weeks in a row got nice boost in
show's history. Value for value

1747
01:50:10,770 --> 01:50:13,290
is real. Yeah,

1748
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:16,470
Adam Curry: podcast All right
man. Congratulations. Another

1749
01:50:16,470 --> 01:50:18,840
valuable value story success
story.

1750
01:50:19,350 --> 01:50:22,680
Dave Jones: Are Davis at seven
with a boob donation 8008

1751
01:50:22,920 --> 01:50:25,770
through pod verse he says in the
morning after trying to correct

1752
01:50:25,770 --> 01:50:29,310
my original boost boosting this
is what I had originally meant.

1753
01:50:29,310 --> 01:50:33,060
I'm looking forward to a wave
link wave Lake top 40 Friday

1754
01:50:33,060 --> 01:50:36,090
nights at eight at eight
o'clock. Industry

1755
01:50:36,120 --> 01:50:40,530
Adam Curry: Okay. Eight o'clock.
All right. Sure. Yeah, there you

1756
01:50:40,530 --> 01:50:44,100
go. I mean, I already have no
Sunday module given my Friday

1757
01:50:44,100 --> 01:50:47,970
night. Yes, sir. You don't need
dinner. I don't need a life. No,

1758
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:53,400
Dave Jones: no, no. JDP 10,000
says no note. Thank you. JDP

1759
01:50:53,400 --> 01:50:59,730
Clark, Ian 25,001 SATs with a
beep beep boop boop. Thank lucky

1760
01:50:59,730 --> 01:51:06,090
Thank you very much. Renee. nega
3521 is the data do their

1761
01:51:06,150 --> 01:51:07,080
Adam Curry: job. Very good.

1762
01:51:08,130 --> 01:51:13,170
Dave Jones: Get off conifa.
Sneaker, can you can you love

1763
01:51:13,170 --> 01:51:15,450
the podcast? Let's have a beer.
If one of you guys are in

1764
01:51:15,480 --> 01:51:17,190
Utrecht, the Netherlands

1765
01:51:17,370 --> 01:51:22,170
Adam Curry: if I'm lost Yes.
From last nowhere no, no, no,

1766
01:51:22,170 --> 01:51:24,780
no, not at all. No, it's
actually pretty cool. Pretty

1767
01:51:24,780 --> 01:51:25,350
cool town.

1768
01:51:26,940 --> 01:51:30,870
Dave Jones: Mere Mortals podcast
2222 aroa Ducks through fountain

1769
01:51:30,870 --> 01:51:33,300
nice a super fired up for music
in the value blocks.

1770
01:51:33,330 --> 01:51:36,180
Adam Curry: Yeah, we're getting
cheap. What are people excited

1771
01:51:36,180 --> 01:51:39,360
about? What are they excited
about? Yeah. music music of

1772
01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:39,840
course.

1773
01:51:40,200 --> 01:51:42,900
Dave Jones: Sir. Bill 25,000
SATs through fountain says love

1774
01:51:42,900 --> 01:51:44,340
the music chats keep it up.

1775
01:51:45,870 --> 01:51:48,750
Adam Curry: Yep, yep. Yeah, we
struck a nerve. We struck a

1776
01:51:48,750 --> 01:51:49,080
nerve.

1777
01:51:50,640 --> 01:51:56,370
Dave Jones: But Borsen Borsen
Glaber 100 sets through fountain

1778
01:51:56,370 --> 01:51:58,800
he says Adam and Dave, you have
one of the best intros within

1779
01:51:58,800 --> 01:52:01,410
podcasting universe just wanted
to state that keep on rockin

1780
01:52:01,830 --> 01:52:05,040
Adam Curry: Thank you. We paid
for it. We paid for it. Yes, you

1781
01:52:05,040 --> 01:52:05,490
paid for it.

1782
01:52:06,870 --> 01:52:11,850
Dave Jones: Debellis Zack into
Bozak another big donation 808

1783
01:52:11,880 --> 01:52:15,510
through fountain no note. Thank
you to Bozak absurdity it gave

1784
01:52:15,510 --> 01:52:20,670
us 3000 SATs through fountain he
says V for V scissors. Gene

1785
01:52:20,670 --> 01:52:23,880
Everett a big row of ducks. 22
to 22 through fountain says

1786
01:52:23,880 --> 01:52:28,560
boost loves the music end of
this. I look forward to posting

1787
01:52:28,560 --> 01:52:30,750
my own music via podcasting. 2.0

1788
01:52:31,380 --> 01:52:35,370
Adam Curry: This is going to be
so huge, Dave. Yeah. Because

1789
01:52:35,370 --> 01:52:39,420
what do we have? We have? What
is the number one category of

1790
01:52:39,420 --> 01:52:44,700
podcast right now? True Crime
true crime. After that, it's

1791
01:52:44,700 --> 01:52:50,040
news. I'd say news ish type
talks off. And then for kids.

1792
01:52:53,130 --> 01:52:57,240
Yeah. Well, you get that tag. It
was gonna be making podcasts for

1793
01:52:57,240 --> 01:53:03,510
kids. I think I think music will
be huge, because it's been so

1794
01:53:03,570 --> 01:53:09,000
impossible to do. And I know
that people gravitate even even

1795
01:53:09,000 --> 01:53:12,390
though I'm, you know, I like
playing the hits. The hits that

1796
01:53:12,390 --> 01:53:15,450
I know. I'm looking forward to
playing New hits and making new

1797
01:53:15,450 --> 01:53:19,110
hits. That's the dream of every
radio guy. I broke that record.

1798
01:53:20,280 --> 01:53:22,080
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, that's
right. Yeah, good. That's

1799
01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:24,330
Adam Curry: what you want. I
broke that record, man. Come on,

1800
01:53:24,330 --> 01:53:27,690
man. I broke that. And, and we
all made money on it. That's the

1801
01:53:27,690 --> 01:53:28,230
point.

1802
01:53:28,769 --> 01:53:32,489
Dave Jones: That's like, I heard
this Cleveland, Cleveland, Ohio

1803
01:53:32,489 --> 01:53:36,719
DJ, there was I think it was a I
think it was a woman that she

1804
01:53:36,719 --> 01:53:40,049
was like she to this day tells
the story of how she was the

1805
01:53:40,049 --> 01:53:45,479
first one to play rush song and
like broke them out to the

1806
01:53:45,479 --> 01:53:46,289
American market.

1807
01:53:46,560 --> 01:53:48,930
Adam Curry: And you and there
will be three other DJs across

1808
01:53:48,930 --> 01:53:53,580
the country who will claim the
same thing. But in this case,

1809
01:53:53,580 --> 01:53:55,440
everyone has receipts, which is
kind of cool.

1810
01:53:56,790 --> 01:54:00,300
Dave Jones: literacies 22 to 22
through fountaining says

1811
01:54:00,300 --> 01:54:03,300
boosting for Sam means been
loving his music since the days

1812
01:54:03,450 --> 01:54:07,140
of the format sending V for V
his way on wave Lake. Nice.

1813
01:54:07,590 --> 01:54:11,910
Nice. Jean been to 22 to 22.
Another big row of dogs to cast

1814
01:54:11,910 --> 01:54:15,540
thematic Jean says Wasn't there
some talk a little while back

1815
01:54:15,540 --> 01:54:17,730
about cast ematic or someone
working on presenting a

1816
01:54:17,730 --> 01:54:21,150
different interface when the
feed is medium equals music.

1817
01:54:21,450 --> 01:54:24,180
That could certainly kickstart
some V for V music playback.

1818
01:54:24,360 --> 01:54:30,120
Yeah, I'd suggested that to to
Franco and he said that. He said

1819
01:54:30,120 --> 01:54:32,850
that that was a great idea. So I
don't know if that means he's

1820
01:54:32,850 --> 01:54:33,060
going to

1821
01:54:33,060 --> 01:54:35,250
Adam Curry: do it. Say that say
that again. What's the idea?

1822
01:54:35,880 --> 01:54:39,690
Dave Jones: So the idea was just
specifically in cast thematic on

1823
01:54:39,690 --> 01:54:44,730
this, in this instance, that
Franco would make a change so

1824
01:54:44,730 --> 01:54:48,360
that when it detects that a feed
is medium of music, oh, he would

1825
01:54:48,360 --> 01:54:51,540
reorder it would set the player
up to do the right thing.

1826
01:54:51,570 --> 01:54:54,570
Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly what
Spotify tried and reverse and

1827
01:54:54,600 --> 01:54:55,620
pretty much failed up.

1828
01:54:56,130 --> 01:54:58,620
Dave Jones: Yeah, but the Franco
will succeed Of course, as well,

1829
01:54:58,620 --> 01:54:58,800
man.

1830
01:54:58,830 --> 01:55:00,540
Adam Curry: He's Franco Yeah,

1831
01:55:00,750 --> 01:55:03,600
Dave Jones: that's right. Todd
Cochran 10,000 says Adam and

1832
01:55:03,600 --> 01:55:06,810
Dave love the show doing an in a
beat demo boost.

1833
01:55:07,410 --> 01:55:12,270
Adam Curry: Oh, nice. Thank you
very much. A booth boost. Booth

1834
01:55:12,270 --> 01:55:15,510
post. Booth booth babe. Nice.

1835
01:55:15,540 --> 01:55:20,100
Dave Jones: Yes. He's the boost
baby. Yep, thank you, John. Joe

1836
01:55:20,100 --> 01:55:22,560
ws satchel Richards No, no thank
you, Joe.

1837
01:55:22,620 --> 01:55:24,840
Adam Curry: I wonder if I wonder
if the person who was who was

1838
01:55:24,840 --> 01:55:27,540
getting the demo went mad
towards like a tight ass man.

1839
01:55:27,600 --> 01:55:28,170
Tend to

1840
01:55:31,050 --> 01:55:33,570
Dave Jones: Todd that 10,000
That's a lot and don't worry

1841
01:55:33,570 --> 01:55:39,780
about it's only like 50 They're
like, Well, okay, do me 5000

1842
01:55:39,780 --> 01:55:43,350
SATs thanks. Through the podcast
on this website. This is demoing

1843
01:55:43,350 --> 01:55:45,120
V for V payments. We got demos
going.

1844
01:55:45,600 --> 01:55:47,310
Adam Curry: Demos everywhere,
baby love it.

1845
01:55:48,900 --> 01:55:52,020
Dave Jones: Another one Mike
Dell 1000 SATs through pod

1846
01:55:52,020 --> 01:55:54,420
verse. He says hi guys showing
off V for V.

1847
01:55:55,110 --> 01:55:58,440
Adam Curry: Cool. This must have
been at NAB, I guess.

1848
01:55:58,830 --> 01:56:04,440
Dave Jones: Yeah, must be Todd
Cochran. Again, what have you

1849
01:56:04,440 --> 01:56:07,350
got baller boost. You get your
finger on there. Yeah. Todd

1850
01:56:07,350 --> 01:56:10,770
Cochran? 100,420 sets.

1851
01:56:10,800 --> 01:56:12,450
Adam Curry: Yeah, we know what
that's for.

1852
01:56:13,410 --> 01:56:17,220
Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze on
am Paula.

1853
01:56:17,310 --> 01:56:18,390
Adam Curry: Right brother. Thank

1854
01:56:18,390 --> 01:56:22,050
Dave Jones: you. Go podcasting.
Happy belated for 20 Day boost.

1855
01:56:24,960 --> 01:56:28,830
pricy pants citizen sent us 500
says thank you, Percy pants,

1856
01:56:29,280 --> 01:56:33,750
Borlaug. 42,091 sets of strong
work, gentlemen,

1857
01:56:33,810 --> 01:56:38,250
Adam Curry: Chris, thank you.
Also for 20 I guess and 91 I

1858
01:56:38,250 --> 01:56:40,440
don't know what now I'm just
seeing 420s everywhere.

1859
01:56:40,620 --> 01:56:47,130
Dave Jones: Thanks, George. Oh,
Roy scheinfeld Go back 4321 He

1860
01:56:47,130 --> 01:56:51,150
Adam Curry: loves us again.
Hello, Roy. Hello Roy Hello

1861
01:56:51,210 --> 01:56:55,590
Don't just stand there boost
Thank you Royce from breathing

1862
01:56:56,070 --> 01:56:56,640
from breathe

1863
01:56:56,730 --> 01:56:59,220
Dave Jones: 675 message
encrypted in the I have

1864
01:56:59,220 --> 01:57:00,780
Adam Curry: no no idea what
that's about.

1865
01:57:01,380 --> 01:57:03,690
Dave Jones: Okay, well, we've
got the delimiter here though

1866
01:57:03,720 --> 01:57:04,020
who

1867
01:57:04,050 --> 01:57:05,850
Adam Curry: calmly stripped it
is here he is ladies and

1868
01:57:05,850 --> 01:57:08,520
gentlemen. Yes 30 3015

1869
01:57:08,520 --> 01:57:10,230
Dave Jones: through fountain he
says dearest Dave and

1870
01:57:10,230 --> 01:57:15,270
accountable Adam. If imitation
be the food of flattery podcast

1871
01:57:15,270 --> 01:57:19,110
on should at some time your
current point of view on that

1872
01:57:19,170 --> 01:57:21,630
which is called artificial
intelligence change from the

1873
01:57:21,630 --> 01:57:24,840
distraction of in five in
bluster to one of informed

1874
01:57:24,840 --> 01:57:28,830
consent do consider AI dot
cooking podcast show where

1875
01:57:28,830 --> 01:57:32,850
granular Gregory Forman they
provide handy ciders as to the

1876
01:57:32,850 --> 01:57:37,200
navigate the coming Fourth
Industrial Complex yo CSB and

1877
01:57:37,200 --> 01:57:39,570
goof Alright, so

1878
01:57:40,320 --> 01:57:45,960
Adam Curry: Chad GBT AI you know
what it is? It's the Segway.

1879
01:57:46,140 --> 01:57:51,360
That's what it is. Yeah, GPP is
the new segway.

1880
01:57:51,900 --> 01:57:54,210
Dave Jones: Didn't somebody die
on a Segway? Yeah, the

1881
01:57:54,210 --> 01:57:57,930
Adam Curry: CEO of the company.
fell off a cliff. Yeah, pretty

1882
01:57:57,930 --> 01:58:02,700
much. But I just remember all l
that was the same all venture

1883
01:58:02,700 --> 01:58:05,670
capitalist. Everyone had one all
the VC were riding around their

1884
01:58:05,670 --> 01:58:09,210
offices on the Segway. I had one
I have a castle, I drove the

1885
01:58:09,210 --> 01:58:13,650
Segway through the castle, and
people's cities are going to

1886
01:58:13,650 --> 01:58:17,250
change life is going to change.
Nothing will be the same. The

1887
01:58:17,250 --> 01:58:22,200
Segway is the future. That's
what Chad GPT is to me.

1888
01:58:24,240 --> 01:58:29,580
Dave Jones: Is the Segway the
Segway of, of cloud 2.0.

1889
01:58:29,610 --> 01:58:33,090
Adam Curry: Yeah. Segway of web
three, or something like that.

1890
01:58:33,090 --> 01:58:36,120
Yeah. Good luck, everybody. Good
luck. Good luck finding a

1891
01:58:36,120 --> 01:58:37,680
business model Silicon Valley.

1892
01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:41,100
Dave Jones: Let's regroup.
Regroup for this week.

1893
01:58:41,820 --> 01:58:47,040
Adam Curry: So good news, bad
news. Wednesday, I have my final

1894
01:58:47,370 --> 01:58:52,140
oral operation. Okay. This will
be a three hour knock them out

1895
01:58:52,140 --> 01:58:55,830
operation so not as bad as the
first one. It is of course,

1896
01:58:55,830 --> 01:58:59,580
entirely possible. Friday may be
a no go for me. That all depends

1897
01:58:59,580 --> 01:59:03,300
on swelling, etc. Yes, sir.

1898
01:59:03,390 --> 01:59:06,360
Dave Jones: Okay. Not to be
dealt with. I mean, well, we

1899
01:59:06,360 --> 01:59:12,270
don't have a guests. Next week.
Okay. I think is is two weeks

1900
01:59:12,270 --> 01:59:13,980
from now on May the fifth? I
think

1901
01:59:13,980 --> 01:59:16,890
Adam Curry: it is. Yes. Yeah.
Because that'll be the 26th.

1902
01:59:16,890 --> 01:59:18,120
Yes, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1903
01:59:18,150 --> 01:59:20,730
Dave Jones: We got Sam Sethi on
May the 14th. We don't have a

1904
01:59:20,730 --> 01:59:21,450
guest next week.

1905
01:59:21,540 --> 01:59:24,180
Adam Curry: Oh, Sam Sethi. Come
on. That's right. Oh, that'll be

1906
01:59:24,180 --> 01:59:28,440
fun. You can explain to us how
pod fans work. Because man, when

1907
01:59:28,440 --> 01:59:31,590
when he when he sends me an
email is like, a lot of

1908
01:59:31,590 --> 01:59:33,660
screenshots. I'm afraid

1909
01:59:33,660 --> 01:59:36,960
Dave Jones: to actually like if
I have an idea for a tag. Yeah.

1910
01:59:37,080 --> 01:59:39,870
I'm afraid sometimes to say it
out loud because you're afraid

1911
01:59:39,870 --> 01:59:41,160
he's going to implement right
away.

1912
01:59:41,610 --> 01:59:43,530
Adam Curry: Yeah, he'll do the
music though. I know how to

1913
01:59:43,530 --> 01:59:45,720
build the music. He'll there'll
be all over that right away.

1914
01:59:46,470 --> 01:59:50,370
Dave Jones: All right. Okay, go.
I'm gonna go get my picture made

1915
01:59:50,370 --> 01:59:51,240
with William Shatner. I

1916
01:59:51,240 --> 01:59:53,490
Adam Curry: am so excited for
you. We are going to post that

1917
01:59:53,490 --> 01:59:55,980
post it on the social let us
know that we want to see it.

1918
01:59:56,550 --> 02:00:00,600
Well, and tell him I said hey,
we'll do you Note William

1919
02:00:00,600 --> 02:00:06,240
Shatner, absolutely not, but
just tell him I said, Hey Dave,

1920
02:00:06,240 --> 02:00:08,970
have a great weekend, man. Have
a good time at the Star Trek

1921
02:00:08,970 --> 02:00:12,930
convention chat room. Thank you,
along with the nostril bass chat

1922
02:00:12,930 --> 02:00:17,190
room. We'll be back. Hopefully
in a week, right here podcast

1923
02:00:17,310 --> 02:00:18,000
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