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Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0
February 24 2023 Episode 123 Get

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off my chest Hello everybody
once again time for your weekly

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board meeting and podcasting 2.0
We are the North Star in a

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galaxy of corporate gloves and
boy isn't a clutch everything

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you want to know about the
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namespace and forest podcasting
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apps and everything happening at
podcast index dot social I'm

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Adam curry here in the heart of
the Texas Hill Country in

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Alabama. The commander of
Operation chop and drop say

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hello to my friend on the other
end ladies and gentlemen Mr.

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Dave Jones

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Dave Jones: Hello. I know it's
stuck now. Yeah, we always going

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to be days in there.

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Adam Curry: We always start the
show off with a little bit of a

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singing we'd like to bring the
worship team together

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Dave Jones: the praise team

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Adam Curry: the praise team. Oh,
I've never heard that one. The

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praise team that's a good one.
Ah, it is Friday. Once again.

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How you doing brother?
Everything good up there or down

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there and over there in Alabama.

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Dave Jones: It's good over here
in Alabama. Busy. Yeah. With the

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with the Texas. Oh, that's

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Adam Curry: right. That's right.

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Dave Jones: I went to my first
first ever Bitcoin meetup. Oh,

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holy night. Oh, how was that?
Here in here in here in the

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hand? Well, let

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Adam Curry: me guess. Let me
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the meetup. Let's talk about
noster.

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Dave Jones: That came at the
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very end. Yeah, that was
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was good. I've never been to
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it was a very religious type
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the sense that everybody's like,
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They're so it's like going into
like a Bitcoin Bible study. Big

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Adam Curry: BBs Bitcoin Bible
study. Well, it is kind of true

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that that when you meet
Bitcoiners that's kind of like

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no agenda listeners to when you
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over the spectrum and I mean,
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sometimes. And you wouldn't be
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wouldn't walk down seas Oh, that
gut person was a Bitcoin you

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would know until you meet him.
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community. There's something
going on there that I've

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witnessed many times it's kind
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Dave Jones: Yeah, I liked all
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ever met before from around berm
you know Birmingham and great we

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have a wide diversity of people
from different places a guy

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talked about proof of work and
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Adam Curry: general or
specifically to Bitcoin Phoebe

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Phoebe comm

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Dave Jones: did like a
presentation on it and and stuff

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is it meatless is yeah, it was
good and then like the people

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that run it are really nice and
committed have been run it for a

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while didn't even know this was
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good to get out into the Oh
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Adam Curry: Did the did people
know who you were? Do you say Do

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you know who I am? Did you say
that like I am the pod sage

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Shruti heard a podcast surely
value for value rings a bell

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people

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Dave Jones: did not say anything
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turn on douche mode I kept

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Adam Curry: it's not douche
motives. PR mode. Did you Did

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anyone talk about value for
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Dave Jones: They talked a lot
about podcasts that they

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listened to talk about podcast
about podcasting in any of that

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sort of sense. So I figured I
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to know people for a while and
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weeks I'd say hey, I can do a
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tupuna There you go. They seem
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They seem to be like every,
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they have somebody do like a
presentation so I could do V for

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Adam Curry: very nice. I did
want to mention to everybody

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this is my new health warning.
I'm very concerned for people as

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I've discovered that there are a
the entire armies of people are

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listening to podcasts at
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to warn you out to the SP at any
at anything above 1.0 I'd like

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to remind you this is very bad
for your health. You are

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hijacking your nervous system.
There is no need for you to cram

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more podcasts into your life.
You will not be able to

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cognitively absorb what normal
people are saying anymore. Stop

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Dave Jones: this is what what is
new this and new what was Where

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are you so far? Out of the blue

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Adam Curry: no unwell no it kind
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was someone sent me a video
which was clearly a you know a

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so called Deep fake and it was
Joe Rogan and and Peterson they

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were talking together and I'm
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good. It's getting pretty close.
And then it dawned on me that it

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sounds a bit like, you know,
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other spared who does not
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tries to keep the pitch in
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like a deep fake and I thought,
oh my god, people will never be

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able to recognize a deep fake
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they're used to listening to
stuff. And I got so many emails

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in your blood people said, you
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interesting because I can't
listen to normal conversation

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anymore without thinking people
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And like that is not healthy.
Think about what your data is

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not healthy. You need to be able
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life. So stop it. You do. Okay,
one more thing. If you if you

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feel you need to accelerate
listening to podcast because you

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need more podcast, please stop
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away. Go away. You're sick.
Okay. Yeah. What do you want to

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Dave Jones: say go? No. As a
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get the an ISO of Bob Newhart
doing that skit. Where have you

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seen that one where he just
wants to stop it? Where he's the

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psychologist who charges $5.
Just to stop it.

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Adam Curry: Fortunately, no, I
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Dave Jones: But the as a as a
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multi XOR I don't know what you
call that multispeed person's

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chick? Yeah. Yeah. As a sicko,
or form, sicko form, sicko. I

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used I used to listen to all my
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speed up with the, with the the
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where it chops out the silences
between them and all that kind

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of stuff. Yeah, the silence
chopper. Silence Joe. Yeah. And

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I. I did that exclusively. And
then at some point I heard you

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say on I think it was on no
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about this. And I was like,
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probably ride? Yeah, um, because
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like a commute somewhere, I
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listening to this for let's say,
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irritable with the people in the
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Adam Curry: I've saved your
marriage is what you're saying.

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Dave Jones: My kids, oh, you owe
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this, like, Okay, I'm gonna
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it. I'm gonna stop it. And so I
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normal speed cut out the good
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at first, it was painful. I was
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after about a week, I'm like,
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I'm in it for 100% Sure way way
but not 105 by

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Adam Curry: five, five by five,
four quarters, anything can

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Dave Jones: it improved. The all
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around me it it put it reset my
brain back to normal. I agree

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Adam Curry: There's something
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realized this also spurred me
on, I got new glasses. And I

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needed I needed glasses with
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know, I'm now flying back flying
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see it perfectly without
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just about where the glass
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aircraft, you know, it's a
little fuzzy, but you kind of

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need to see the, the instruments
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gauges, dials, you know, that's
approximately there. That looks

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about right. So, so I needed new
glasses, and I and I got two

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pair and the one pair, the
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transitions with three. So you
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reading, which is handy because
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the supermarket, I'm always
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my phone, putting them back on.
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actually perfect for the for the
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first time I put them on i Whoa,
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you're so used to moving your
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it's like you move them down.
It's like whoa, and you got all

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goes out of focus. You look to
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it took me a few days. And that
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where you put the glasses on
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everything's upside down and
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within 24 hours even shorter
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function perfectly fine with the
world being projected upside

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down to your eye, you know, to
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logically when just what you
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it and then you come home and
you want to beat your children

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go faster. Come on, get out.
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Dave Jones: exactly that's
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there's a low level of
irritation. It forms in the back

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of your head when you're when
your little girl was telling you

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about her homework and you're
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Adam Curry: being so slow. Wow,
okay, thank you. I'm adding this

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to my arsenal. This is this will
improve your home life, it will

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improve your the sex will be
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Dave Jones: I can attest to sex
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Adam Curry: You get you have sex
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Dave Jones: That's all so that
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none to Yes. Oh, goodness. I
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record is that if you listen to
roast beef, the developer Oh,

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yeah. That is the only time you
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Adam Curry: just slow it down to
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Dave Jones: he says has been I'm
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Adam Curry: My goodness, we have
a very special board member I

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want to bring in in a moment.
But not until you and I have

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discussed one important story
which I felt only really got to

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mention. YouTube. Yeah. Podcast
egg. No, that was not what I was

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Adam Curry: was gonna talk about
the story from NPR because it

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got it. Gotta mention it. Thank
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because it was a story about
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here. Allison. I have the clip.
I have their very own clip and

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we won't play the whole thing.
We'll get up to the pertinent

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bit here. And now of course,
some news. By the way, you got

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to we got to slow it down and
talk like NPR he now for some

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news about ourselves. NPR? Yes,
we're so transparent. We report

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Unknown: And now of course, some
news about NPR itself. NPR

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announced a major restructuring
today and revealed it's about to

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lay off about 10% of the
workforce. Our CEO John Lansing

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cited a drop of $30 million in
projected advertising revenues.

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Adam Curry: So this caught my
attention when you say because

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NPR is National Public Radio
underwriting and well, the it's

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always been questionable, you
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underwriting, advertising, call
it whatever you want. And I

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think that it was a little
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Unknown: about to lay off about
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John Lansing cited a drop of $30
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revenues. And PR media
correspondent David Folkenflik

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joins me and David, it's always
a pleasure to talk to you. But

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this is a tough day, as you
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in a memo to staff I've been
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toughest cuts I've seen, it's
probably the toughest since the

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early 80s. What we know is not a
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uniform across he wasn't just
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thoughtful about how it's done.
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Adam Curry: I'll stop there
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around about is what the problem
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are supposed to be running on
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donation drives, you get a tote
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submit a support your local NPR
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Dave Jones: gonna guess what the
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Adam Curry: go for it.

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Dave Jones: The Pro, I'm gonna
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which was actually very long.

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Adam Curry: The article actually
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Dave Jones: It said something
like that there was 490 people

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in the newsroom and like 230
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Adam Curry: Now that is part of
the problem. What really

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happened here is they built a
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the podcasts do accept
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November they they were cutting

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they cut everything by 10%.
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is programming division, which
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podcast has more than doubled
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lock downs when a everybody was
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and drop exercise to pare down
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remnants of that shit floating
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more than doubled. And you know
with that Dvorak and I actually

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went through a lot of their
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programs that they created in
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the advertising as predicted as
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post. It's done it dried up.
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always going to be some
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first one to go this the first
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not well measured, you know, the
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that it's too complicated.
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because you actually have to pay
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you know, free money you can
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is going to be a bloodletting in
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podcasting space where they
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Dave Jones: And they said they
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stands at just shy of 490 people
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230. And yours. I wonder how
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Adam Curry: podcasting? It's all
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the other problem. When
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almost a one man band, you
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the problem with Spotify with
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there are you kidding me? Even
while we have editors and

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producers and associated
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production assistants, and get
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then an executive they all
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of the equation. Because they're
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broadcasting, I mean, even top
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that level of, of staffing, and
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barely. So this, you know, this
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gonna be so great. You know,
it's now coming crashing down.

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it, one, learn how to produce
your own podcast. You know, it

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doesn't, you don't have to be?
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Wall of Sound every single time
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not mess with everything after
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feel is necessary. But also, I
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companies, it's going to slow
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this big influx of 1000s of new
customers every week, it's just

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going to slow down. And if I
could make one one more

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recommendation that I'll shut
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company. If you're giving away
free account stop right away.

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Give away an account where you
take 20% of the value for value

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streaming sites up to a cap or
in perpetuity, whatever you want

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to do, and make that your deal
and stimulate people using that

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move away from all I mean,
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pretty good business too.
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like the idea of paying for
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otherwise. I don't like the the
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Dave Jones: the V for V
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Adam Curry: I mean, that's what
we've done with no agenda for 15

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years with Pay Pal, you know,
and of course, gradually going

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to try and move that into other
payment platforms da. But you

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know, seriously, think about,
think about doing more of that,

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and stimulating people to get
because if you if you can get

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someone who has 100 people
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one person there who's who does
$1,000 a month, you're out of

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your cost, you know, and it
really didn't hurt you didn't

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hurt anybody made it easy for
everyone to participate in. And

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I think it's a model for the
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And, and stop listening at times
x speed, you know, jobs.

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Dave Jones: They said to me,
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workforce. I mean, that's a huge
job. That's big. Yeah, that's

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more than any. I think that
might be the biggest one we've

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Adam Curry: But they also said
it's not going to be uniform

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across the organization. No,
it's going to be in podcasting.

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It's all podcasts. Exactly what

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Dave Jones: their quote, their
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interesting that this is a this
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they're not. This is not

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guesswork. They're telling you
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there's not. But, you know,
there's lots of, well, just like

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everybody else is having
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have them too. There's a lot of
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Adam Curry: a lot of look at
Silicon Valley. Okay, so you're

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comparing NPR to Google and
Amazon. So clearly, clearly,

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you're talking about podcasts.
And this is why I also put 00 is

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the word wait on the YouTube
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go go jacked up over there. This
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Dave Jones: That they said they
the reason they gave in I mean,

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this is really specific. And
again, this is talking them

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talking about themselves.
They're telling you what's going

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on. They said, quote, in talking
about the calls, quote, and

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erosion of advertising dollars,
particularly for NPR podcasts,

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quote, specifically said that,
yes, I mean, that that there's

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no ambiguity there. Advertising
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pace, and they can't fund those
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Adam Curry: There was actually a
spot in here, Michigan, fine.

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You know, this is mastering how
we do it is a spot where she

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says, But you know, it's people
doing podcasts or doing

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journalism, too. We've listened.
He said that this is going to be

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Unknown: Now, what does that
actually mean? When he says he

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wants to be thoughtful? He
doesn't think this will be

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uniform across divisions catchy
podcast, is actually

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different kinds of strategic
which is as law and also its

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audience to you know, seek
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Adam Curry: diverse I like this.
I like with this is what

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Dave Jones: this means, just as
a commentary. I mean, with this

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riveting content I stunning that
they've had no problem selling

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advertising.

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Unknown: VR has to deepen and
broaden its audience to deepen

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and broaden. What does that even
mean, you know, seek younger and

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more diverse audience base
younger and

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Adam Curry: diverse audience
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That's corporate bullshit is
what that is. That's the

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building for the future. And he

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said that since he arrived in
the fall of 2019, he's also

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talked about unifying its
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Adam Curry: not when you unify
the newsroom with its

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programming side, you know what
that means? Native Ads, you're

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going to be making content for
the advert and our NPR team

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skilled voices, they'll make
special podcast just for your

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brand. Trust me, it always goes

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Dave Jones: away more stories
about Taco Bell Mexican pizza

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coming back, because it's
exactly it's

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Unknown: where so much growth
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particularly in the podcasting
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some ways artificial. Well,

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Adam Curry: I don't want to hear
that again. What

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Unknown: are you say? 2019. He's
also talked about unifying its

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newsroom with its programming
side, the programming is where

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lately, particularly in the

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podcasting division. But these
divisions, in some ways are

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artificial. A lot of our
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doing so under the rubric of
podcasting, but it's still

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really part of a greater
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Adam Curry: And that's where
you'd break.

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Dave Jones: That's actually what
what is the definition of

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rubric? Rubric? I wonder why he
chose that word.

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Adam Curry: It's a good
question. Rubric rubric. A

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direction rubric. Do you have a
good definition meaning, okay,

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authoritative rule, a rule of
conduct of how we, huh, that's

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interesting. Well, if you look
at NPR podcast, and you know,

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say, well, that's basically it.
They're doing journalism. I'm

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not so sure. I think you really
went crazy. Let's see. Where are

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their podcasts? exclusives,
exclusives. Date of Ukraine. All

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right, there you go up first,
consider this one, a embedded

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here and now anytime planet
money life kit, the indicator

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wisdom, ultimate coupon code
switch through line. It's been a

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minute. I mean, they have so
many podcasts. Oh, they must

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have some big deals with people
on this too. Anyway.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, this is not
they get on.

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Adam Curry: I feel bad when,
when when this happens. But, you

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know, it's like, let's be
honest, let's just be honest

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with what we're doing in the
podcasting space. Ads are not

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going to be great for maybe a
long, long time. I don't know. I

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don't know. You know, but it's,
it's an that whole, the whole

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world is seeing this and is
equipping themselves for what

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they see on the horizon. So, you
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Dave Jones: I think it's
important. I was reading this

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morning. I was reading this
morning about how the Fed is not

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fed, excuse me the about how the
official stats coming out of the

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administration about the you
know, the economic numbers about

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unemployment. They're all just
so bogus and the banks, even the

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big banks are still And to call
it out and say these, these

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numbers don't seem to comport
with reality. And so, you know,

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I'm not sure that we even know
the extent of what's happening

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economically right now. I feel
like we're actually probably in

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the dark about a lot of things
and so we're the pain might

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actually be way worse than right
now than we may be. We may be

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firmly in recession territory
already.

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Adam Curry: Well, technically,
by the technical nature of two

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quarters, two down quarters of,
of GDP, yes, we are in the

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Dave Jones: down quarters, even
with funny numbers. We could be

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like deep in recession and not
be aware of it. And

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Adam Curry: the disgusting thing
is, is if you listen to the Wall

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Street guys, and the Fed,
they're like, Well, you know,

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Damn, man, we can't get we need
unemployment needs to be higher

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than you know, that is their
metric that will keep raising

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interest rates until the job
market softens IE. There's more

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unemployment, they are rooting
for unemployment. They raise

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interest rates to get you
unemployed. This is literally

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what they're saying. You
probably don't hear it because

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it sounds like this. Well, we
ready to get that what did it

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get that job? I can tell you
don't understand the nuance, but

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that's what's happening.

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Dave Jones: Man. I've been
reading back to reading secrets

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of the temple every night.

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Adam Curry: I'm not familiar
with secrets.

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Dave Jones: Book by William
Greider. He's too bright for The

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Washington Post. I think it was
published in maybe 1990 or 91.

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It's about the Paul Volcker
Federal Reserve. Oh,

440
00:26:40,260 --> 00:26:41,280
Adam Curry: sure. Sure. In

441
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:44,639
Dave Jones: 80s. And it's it's a
big book. It's like 700 pages.

442
00:26:44,909 --> 00:26:49,469
But it's it's all the inside
story about, about that

443
00:26:49,469 --> 00:26:52,739
timeframe? And what what all
they did, have you ever heard of

444
00:26:52,739 --> 00:26:56,219
the monetary Control Act of
1980?

445
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,280
Adam Curry: Was this where they
tried to price fix stuff?

446
00:27:00,210 --> 00:27:04,260
Dave Jones: No, this was the
Fed, the Fed under William

447
00:27:04,260 --> 00:27:09,060
Miller was worried about that. I
didn't realize this, there that

448
00:27:09,060 --> 00:27:13,860
banks before 1980, banks could
choose not to be a member of the

449
00:27:13,860 --> 00:27:18,480
Federal Reserve System. And what
happened to is if you were a

450
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,540
member of the Federal Reserve
System, you are required to keep

451
00:27:21,540 --> 00:27:25,650
a certain amount of reserves,
yes, on deposit at the Fed. But

452
00:27:25,650 --> 00:27:29,040
the Fed did not pay interest on
those reserves in that griped a

453
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,800
lot of banks. So what a lot of
banks and credit unions and

454
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,320
savings and loans would do is
they would pull, they would they

455
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,740
would leave the Federal Reserve
System go on their own under the

456
00:27:37,740 --> 00:27:41,610
State Banking reg regulations of
their state. And they would not

457
00:27:41,610 --> 00:27:46,110
have to keep those reserves on
deposit. So they could keep them

458
00:27:46,110 --> 00:27:48,930
themselves and they could use
they could deploy those reserves

459
00:27:48,930 --> 00:27:52,020
and actually get, you know, get
a return right, which

460
00:27:52,020 --> 00:27:54,030
Adam Curry: turned into the
overnight rate, which is one of

461
00:27:54,030 --> 00:27:57,150
the biggest problems that we
have now is Wilton banks are

462
00:27:57,150 --> 00:27:59,700
sending a trillion dollars
overnight back to the Federal

463
00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:01,080
Reserve. Well, the

464
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,860
Dave Jones: monetary Control Act
of 1980 stopped that it

465
00:28:04,860 --> 00:28:08,130
basically just said, all
financial institutions in the

466
00:28:08,130 --> 00:28:10,800
United States are required to be
members of the Federal Reserve

467
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,230
System. Done

468
00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:17,459
Adam Curry: and and did you know
that since COVID, the banks are

469
00:28:17,459 --> 00:28:22,439
not required to have any
reserves. I didn't know that.

470
00:28:22,439 --> 00:28:26,669
Yeah, then they never reversed
that it was during during COVID.

471
00:28:27,029 --> 00:28:31,139
You know, typically you have to
have 10% in reserve. And so they

472
00:28:31,139 --> 00:28:33,449
don't have to do they don't as
far as I know, many banks don't

473
00:28:33,449 --> 00:28:37,199
even have any reserves. And by
the way, nothing says honey, I

474
00:28:37,199 --> 00:28:40,139
don't want to have sex and
having that 700 page book next

475
00:28:40,139 --> 00:28:42,779
to your bed and reading it at
night. Dave Jones, what do I

476
00:28:42,779 --> 00:28:44,069
need to teach you?

477
00:28:44,639 --> 00:28:47,129
Dave Jones: It's like I mean,
it's like a big thing of garlic

478
00:28:47,399 --> 00:28:49,709
sitting on the nightstand.

479
00:28:51,180 --> 00:28:55,170
Adam Curry: Speaking of reading
in bed, I'd like to bring in our

480
00:28:55,170 --> 00:28:59,190
honorary board member for today.
As you can see, he is once again

481
00:28:59,190 --> 00:29:02,400
in his velvet bathroom and his
bathrobe and his fluffy pink

482
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,370
slippers ladies and gentlemen,
please say hello to the founder

483
00:29:05,370 --> 00:29:10,470
and CEO headworn a boss
something of one of our first

484
00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:14,340
first apps to support value for
value. That would be breeze.

485
00:29:14,370 --> 00:29:21,030
Hello, His Royal Highness Roy
scheinfeld Roy Hello Adam. Hello

486
00:29:21,030 --> 00:29:24,930
Dave Booker's off

487
00:29:25,740 --> 00:29:28,170
Unknown: I don't think it's nice
that we need to like be on a

488
00:29:28,170 --> 00:29:30,480
podcast in order to talk but
Well,

489
00:29:31,020 --> 00:29:32,880
Adam Curry: I mean, it's so
funny because I've been looking

490
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,680
at my phone for a couple months
and I got no I have 00 calls

491
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,280
missed or anything from you. You
only tweet me now

492
00:29:41,309 --> 00:29:45,479
Unknown: you know what? I had
the same experience myself. So

493
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,730
Adam Curry: the last time I
called you like Oh man, I'm

494
00:29:50,730 --> 00:29:53,100
really busy. I don't have time
for you don't remember.

495
00:29:56,099 --> 00:29:58,739
Unknown: Don't have time. No.
And by the way, I want to say

496
00:29:58,739 --> 00:30:03,449
that I'll continue to listen to
podcasts index in 2.5. Index to

497
00:30:04,170 --> 00:30:06,840
Adam Curry: really listen to in
in high speed Do You Really?

498
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:08,610
Really? Yeah, yeah.

499
00:30:09,270 --> 00:30:10,800
Dave Jones: You're frying your
brain, your friend.

500
00:30:12,929 --> 00:30:15,329
Adam Curry: Roy lives alone,
everybody just want to make sure

501
00:30:15,329 --> 00:30:18,209
as far as we know, except for
your servants. There's no one

502
00:30:18,209 --> 00:30:18,899
out there.

503
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:21,270
Unknown: Yeah, so

504
00:30:21,569 --> 00:30:24,809
Adam Curry: that's because you
listen to podcasts at 2.5 speed

505
00:30:24,839 --> 00:30:25,619
like no, you can't

506
00:30:27,030 --> 00:30:31,230
Unknown: add them one podcast
only. That's, that's the only

507
00:30:31,230 --> 00:30:35,160
podcast that I listen to in my
bathrobe, like we did my

508
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:40,410
slippers on Friday night, but
but I think like I don't think

509
00:30:40,410 --> 00:30:43,950
it's one size fits all. That's
what I wanted to say. Like, time

510
00:30:43,980 --> 00:30:47,940
is a very scarce resource. Like
there are other stuff to do I

511
00:30:47,940 --> 00:30:51,240
have a lot of stuff to do with
my time. I'm not sure like it's

512
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,580
very effective for me. And by
the way, you mentioned roast

513
00:30:53,580 --> 00:30:57,330
beef. Like the only way I think
I'm able to listen to roast beef

514
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,350
is because I'm listening to to
your podcasts in train your

515
00:31:01,350 --> 00:31:01,710
train

516
00:31:01,739 --> 00:31:02,129
Dave Jones: this is

517
00:31:04,650 --> 00:31:07,380
Adam Curry: it kind of goes
against everything you know,

518
00:31:07,380 --> 00:31:10,830
from a Bitcoin or with a high or
low time preference, which is

519
00:31:10,830 --> 00:31:14,640
interesting. It's kind of the
exact opposite. But we respect

520
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,520
your choices. So if you want to
know if you want to smoke crack,

521
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:18,000
that's fine.

522
00:31:19,559 --> 00:31:22,409
Unknown: I don't think it's
about that. I think I don't know

523
00:31:22,409 --> 00:31:25,589
Yeah, key few Did you watch
this? There's a Netflix show

524
00:31:25,589 --> 00:31:30,239
called cooked. A Michael Pollan.
I think that's the that's the

525
00:31:30,239 --> 00:31:36,599
guy cookies talking about, like,
why humans are in in regards to

526
00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:40,379
cooking like why humans are
better than then animals like

527
00:31:40,379 --> 00:31:44,969
more effective is because we eat
cooked food. And cooked food

528
00:31:45,089 --> 00:31:50,249
takes less time to digest. So we
have does not have time to do

529
00:31:50,309 --> 00:31:54,719
other stuff and develop as this
society. So I'm developing Adam,

530
00:31:54,749 --> 00:31:56,429
you're the one in behind?

531
00:31:56,609 --> 00:31:59,399
Adam Curry: Well, then Fair
enough. Fair enough. All I would

532
00:31:59,399 --> 00:32:03,599
say is, you know, it isn't
podcast audio. The idea is you

533
00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:06,809
can do other things while you're
doing it. Uh, did you watch that

534
00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:10,529
Netflix documentary? Two times
speed? By the way, did that give

535
00:32:10,529 --> 00:32:13,799
you more time to watch more
stuff on Netflix? Do you listen

536
00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:17,489
to your music at two times
speed? Because it sounds so

537
00:32:17,489 --> 00:32:17,969
good.

538
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,260
Unknown: Yeah, your point. I
agree.

539
00:32:23,220 --> 00:32:25,050
Adam Curry: Because I love you,
man. It's only because I love

540
00:32:25,050 --> 00:32:25,260
but

541
00:32:25,260 --> 00:32:28,140
Unknown: you know, you heard
lactic like, I'm not addicted

542
00:32:28,140 --> 00:32:31,620
user. But I have a lot of like,
friends with kids. I don't have

543
00:32:31,620 --> 00:32:34,140
any kids. But I have a lot of
friends get and all the Tick

544
00:32:34,140 --> 00:32:38,280
Tock music. I can double the
speed or triple the speed. And I

545
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:41,700
like that. Yeah, that's insane.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. abomination.

546
00:32:41,730 --> 00:32:45,600
Adam Curry: Yeah. So Roy, we're
always great to have you on.

547
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,460
It's been quite a while. As I
said, you were one of the one of

548
00:32:50,460 --> 00:32:55,830
the first. Well, I think really,
really well, you're a second but

549
00:32:55,830 --> 00:33:01,110
you're really the only my dream
came true as the only one I'll

550
00:33:01,110 --> 00:33:03,630
just call it a wallet. I know
it's very controversial to call

551
00:33:03,630 --> 00:33:07,860
it that. But a signing app that
does Bitcoin and lightning that

552
00:33:07,860 --> 00:33:12,750
added podcasting. And, and to
this day, it is still my go to

553
00:33:12,780 --> 00:33:15,150
to test to make sure
everything's working and

554
00:33:15,150 --> 00:33:19,050
whatever podcast I released.
First thing I do is did the show

555
00:33:19,050 --> 00:33:22,230
up on breeze? And can I send a
booster Graham and if those two

556
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:25,770
things work, then it's solid for
me. And that's really how solid

557
00:33:25,770 --> 00:33:31,920
breeze is as an app. And I know
you've modernized a couple of

558
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,860
things. You want to talk about
the podcasts and capabilities of

559
00:33:34,860 --> 00:33:36,960
breeze and then we'll go into
all the other stuff that you can

560
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,690
bring us up to speed on the
state of the industry basically.

561
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:45,540
Unknown: A Yes, sure. So yeah,
as you said, like we we try to

562
00:33:45,540 --> 00:33:51,720
create the best podcasting good
user experience, and we baked it

563
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:56,940
into the app. I know, that's one
of the primary reasons why why

564
00:33:56,970 --> 00:34:03,570
users keep using Brees is first
it seems like very, very odd for

565
00:34:03,570 --> 00:34:07,140
people for Bitcoiners to have a
podcast player within their

566
00:34:07,170 --> 00:34:14,670
wallet. But now it's I think we
we normalize that like a we kind

567
00:34:14,670 --> 00:34:20,070
of made it a standard. And I and
a lot of people are liking this

568
00:34:20,070 --> 00:34:23,160
experience and the experience is
very solid. We are actually

569
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,540
building our podcasting
capabilities on top of a library

570
00:34:27,540 --> 00:34:32,910
called anytime. That's the
that's the podcasting library.

571
00:34:32,940 --> 00:34:35,940
And I liked the user experience
because of the user experience.

572
00:34:35,940 --> 00:34:41,640
As a user I'm using breeze and
not because I help build breeze

573
00:34:41,670 --> 00:34:44,640
but because I like it as an
interface. The interface is very

574
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:49,140
clean. You don't have all the
social network network stuff

575
00:34:49,140 --> 00:34:53,010
that you have in other podcasts
players like a fountain for

576
00:34:53,010 --> 00:34:57,810
example, I understand why Oscar
and why other other other

577
00:34:57,810 --> 00:35:02,100
developers are adding the It
does capabilities. But I like

578
00:35:02,130 --> 00:35:07,110
like the sustained experience of
the just listen to a podcast

579
00:35:07,170 --> 00:35:11,670
Adam Curry: is a double screen.
I don't want to be consumed by

580
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:13,020
interaction with humans

581
00:35:13,950 --> 00:35:16,830
Unknown: 2.5 Speed points.

582
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:21,660
Adam Curry: And have you
considered adding some of the

583
00:35:21,780 --> 00:35:23,520
live the lit capabilities?

584
00:35:24,420 --> 00:35:27,870
Unknown: Yeah, so So
strategically what we want to do

585
00:35:27,930 --> 00:35:32,910
a, what what we've done with
Breeze kind of the Swiss knife

586
00:35:32,940 --> 00:35:38,190
are a model of, of adding
multiple experience into a

587
00:35:38,190 --> 00:35:42,510
single app, we also have a point
of sale interface within breeze.

588
00:35:43,140 --> 00:35:47,970
That doesn't scale. So in order
for us to expand and to add more

589
00:35:48,180 --> 00:35:51,240
podcasting capabilities, I think
what we need to do, we need to

590
00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:55,650
spin off the podcasting feature
of breeze into a separate app.

591
00:35:56,310 --> 00:36:01,320
That's why we went through the
roll the route of developing a

592
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,800
breeze SDK, we can talk about
the prison SDK, but the SDK is

593
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,880
the infrastructure that will
allow us to have multiple

594
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,110
applications that use the same
user node, use the same user of

595
00:36:13,110 --> 00:36:17,190
balance. And that architecture
will allow us to have multiple

596
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:22,170
apps, one of the apps, we want a
dedicated podcast app. And once

597
00:36:22,170 --> 00:36:25,200
we have that there is no limit
to the features that we can.

598
00:36:25,290 --> 00:36:25,650
Okay.

599
00:36:26,490 --> 00:36:29,400
Adam Curry: I understand what
you just said. So I can have my

600
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,340
breeze wallet and just use it
for all the breeze stuff that I

601
00:36:32,340 --> 00:36:35,910
do. Which Believe me, this is
how I buy my beef with breeze.

602
00:36:35,940 --> 00:36:39,210
You know, all of this stuff I
do. I love I love the experience

603
00:36:39,210 --> 00:36:44,670
of the breeze wallet for Bitcoin
and for lightning. Or they use

604
00:36:44,670 --> 00:36:46,470
it for lightning exclusively
pretty much. So what you're

605
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:50,460
saying is I can use with the SDK
when this is you're gonna

606
00:36:50,460 --> 00:36:55,440
explain this to us. I can have a
breeze dedicated podcast app,

607
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,540
but it will take from the same
balance. Is that what I heard

608
00:36:57,540 --> 00:36:57,930
you say?

609
00:36:58,590 --> 00:37:01,110
Unknown: Exactly? That's exactly
right. I have one of the

610
00:37:01,110 --> 00:37:05,880
features that the lightning and
Bitcoin in general doesn't have

611
00:37:05,940 --> 00:37:11,190
a is missing is lacking when
comparing to the Fiat experience

612
00:37:11,220 --> 00:37:14,640
is the fact that multiple
applications can work against

613
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,540
the same balance. That's that's
a missing feature. That's a

614
00:37:18,570 --> 00:37:23,670
that's a big UX drove back when
you compare the lightning

615
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:27,360
applications out there to fiat
solution with Fiat you use your

616
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,450
credit card, you put your credit
card, in an Uber app, you put

617
00:37:30,450 --> 00:37:33,090
your credit card in Spotify, put
your credit card weather,

618
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,380
wherever and then and then all
the these applications are

619
00:37:37,380 --> 00:37:41,520
working against the same account
the same balance, we need a

620
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,160
similar experience in the
lightning space, but we needed

621
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,690
to do that in a noncustodial
fashion. Yes, that's why that's

622
00:37:48,690 --> 00:37:52,830
why we've developed the proof
SDK. And we can

623
00:37:53,790 --> 00:37:56,280
Adam Curry: Okay, so it's time
to bring up this conversation

624
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,990
again. And it's actually very
timely as we now you know,

625
00:38:00,990 --> 00:38:03,570
things have changed in the in
the last two years I would say

626
00:38:03,570 --> 00:38:06,420
Elon pay was pretty much the
exclusive provider that a lot of

627
00:38:06,420 --> 00:38:12,150
people were using tying their
apps into we had voltage has has

628
00:38:12,180 --> 00:38:15,210
done a little bit but really
they're like you know get a node

629
00:38:15,210 --> 00:38:18,990
that's way too expensive
podcasters don't like that like

630
00:38:18,990 --> 00:38:23,700
ham radio operators that cheap.
Then we have although they also

631
00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:26,580
have new stuff they're working
on for liquidity not quite the

632
00:38:26,580 --> 00:38:33,090
same, then get Alby came along
and get Alby really showed

633
00:38:33,090 --> 00:38:36,060
everybody hey, here's how you
have a wallet. And here's how it

634
00:38:36,060 --> 00:38:38,490
went. And you can connect this
to stuff. And I think that was

635
00:38:38,490 --> 00:38:43,200
very helpful in explaining and
showing people the concept of

636
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:48,720
having a central wallet that you
can use from multiple different

637
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:53,580
applications. The problem is,
and we've seen this with, with

638
00:38:53,610 --> 00:38:56,340
almost every system, certainly
centralized systems, if

639
00:38:56,340 --> 00:39:01,500
something goes wrong,
everybody's fucked. Or if God

640
00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:04,920
forbid, you know, the German
Luftwaffe comes in and says, you

641
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,740
know, we're shutting you down
now because whatever, it's not,

642
00:39:08,130 --> 00:39:12,120
the German rules have changed,
or the EU rules have changed.

643
00:39:12,270 --> 00:39:17,910
And, and it always makes me
shiver as I look at all the

644
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:22,320
success of what's building out
and people. And I remember, we

645
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,740
just started this, there was a
big pushback against even ln

646
00:39:25,740 --> 00:39:28,290
pay, you know, the Bitcoin was
like, This is not what we're

647
00:39:28,290 --> 00:39:30,960
supposed to do. And it was
supposed to be decentralized,

648
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,810
you're ruining the whole
concept. And so here we are in

649
00:39:33,810 --> 00:39:37,410
this kind of precarious
situation. So the custodial

650
00:39:37,410 --> 00:39:40,860
noncustodial is worth, if you
don't mind re explaining and

651
00:39:40,860 --> 00:39:44,910
what, what the SDK is going to
how that's going to change this?

652
00:39:45,540 --> 00:39:49,740
Unknown: Yes, yes, definitely.
So So there are a few pillars to

653
00:39:49,740 --> 00:39:54,120
this non custodial, custodial
discussion. One is, as you said

654
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,290
about we don't want a
centralized solution because a

655
00:39:58,290 --> 00:40:04,020
centralized solution leads to
Due to due to problems in terms

656
00:40:04,260 --> 00:40:07,890
like blue wallet from the last
couple of days is a great

657
00:40:07,890 --> 00:40:11,370
example blue wallet, just
decided to shut down their

658
00:40:11,370 --> 00:40:12,690
service and all the blue

659
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:15,090
Adam Curry: wallet you Oh, I
didn't even hear about this blue

660
00:40:15,090 --> 00:40:16,140
wallet shut down.

661
00:40:17,070 --> 00:40:20,010
Unknown: They should they're
shutting down there. They have

662
00:40:20,070 --> 00:40:24,480
an Elon hub architecture, right
where you can you can configure

663
00:40:24,540 --> 00:40:29,520
a specific program specific
software to run on the server

664
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,750
and that, that that software
kind of acts like the custodial

665
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:38,490
node of the Blue World users. So
by default, they offer their

666
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,270
Elon hub instance, and they're
shutting down the default

667
00:40:42,270 --> 00:40:43,290
instance, basically,

668
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,790
Adam Curry: do you know why
they're shutting that down? I

669
00:40:47,790 --> 00:40:48,120
don't know.

670
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,620
Unknown: I can, I can? Just
yeah, sure. I guess, I think, I

671
00:40:52,620 --> 00:40:55,650
think first they're there as a
team, they're focused on on

672
00:40:55,650 --> 00:41:02,130
chain capabilities. But I think
I think everyone that provides a

673
00:41:02,130 --> 00:41:06,960
custodial service right now is
flying under the radar. Right?

674
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:12,990
And that is limiting in a lot of
in that in a lot of ways. If you

675
00:41:12,990 --> 00:41:16,230
want to be acquired, for
example, what do you do with the

676
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:20,670
custodial service, if you don't
have the proper papers in place,

677
00:41:20,670 --> 00:41:25,680
you don't comply to the to the,
to the FinCEN, regulation or

678
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,230
whatever, you're in trouble,
basically. So you need to get

679
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:33,000
through it with get rid of the
custodial part of your business.

680
00:41:33,450 --> 00:41:36,690
So I don't know if the world's
gonna be acquired or not, but I

681
00:41:36,690 --> 00:41:42,750
wouldn't be surprised if that's
going to be the case. everyone

682
00:41:42,750 --> 00:41:46,320
that is providing that is
currently providing a custodial

683
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,640
solution is flying under the
radar. You can do that on the

684
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:55,050
like if you are doing that
properly, meaning complying to

685
00:41:55,050 --> 00:41:58,710
the to the regulation and that's
what for example, fountain

686
00:41:58,740 --> 00:42:02,910
switch their custodial solution
to a regulated custodial

687
00:42:02,910 --> 00:42:06,930
solutions. It has right Zebedee,
right, Zebedee. Exactly. And

688
00:42:06,930 --> 00:42:10,380
that has other drawbacks,
because then all of a sudden,

689
00:42:10,380 --> 00:42:14,190
you need to do KYC, and only to
do it to comply with AML

690
00:42:14,220 --> 00:42:20,580
regulation. And that that's
that's crap as well. So for me,

691
00:42:20,850 --> 00:42:25,410
I think noncustodial that's the
long term game and a lot of

692
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,590
noncustodial will prevail, not
just because it's like

693
00:42:28,620 --> 00:42:33,540
decentralized. I'm not a
Bitcoin, religious guy that says

694
00:42:33,540 --> 00:42:36,240
like, it's only decentralized
now It's decentralized. Because

695
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:40,080
this isn't realization means
something it provides value to

696
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:45,900
users, and in freedom of fuser
is translated to user

697
00:42:45,900 --> 00:42:51,120
experience, not having to have
to comply to KYC and AML. Ease

698
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:55,260
the user experience value, their
ability to expand globally easy

699
00:42:55,260 --> 00:43:00,510
user experience value. So I
think we need to push on to a

700
00:43:00,510 --> 00:43:03,630
noncustodial future future. And
that's what we've been doing

701
00:43:03,660 --> 00:43:05,130
Doris, since the get go.

702
00:43:06,510 --> 00:43:10,680
Adam Curry: Can for me, it's,
it's, it's really more than a

703
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:15,600
decentralized part. I mean, I've
already had, ah, like, on the,

704
00:43:16,110 --> 00:43:20,100
you know, without a doubt
fountain right now is, is at the

705
00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:23,430
top of the list of people
jumping in to listen to podcasts

706
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:26,370
and use value for value for
booster grams and streaming

707
00:43:26,370 --> 00:43:32,760
payments. And so I do one show
with my wife every 14 days, on

708
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,580
the very day that we record is
when people start to send us

709
00:43:35,580 --> 00:43:37,890
booster grams, because I want to
be mentioned in the show.

710
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,930
Fountain has an issue. So all
these people were sending stuff,

711
00:43:42,930 --> 00:43:46,710
it's going into the voids going
nowhere going into the void. And

712
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:49,860
because that's the centralized
solution that you get the most

713
00:43:49,860 --> 00:43:53,730
people that are on that
particular system. They all got

714
00:43:53,730 --> 00:43:57,180
hurt at once. And that's the
problem I have with this besides

715
00:43:57,180 --> 00:43:58,560
all the regulatory stuff and

716
00:44:00,030 --> 00:44:03,960
Unknown: and it's money
robustness, your robustness is

717
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:07,680
another value proposition, clear
value proposition over

718
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:08,880
decentralized solution.

719
00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:11,910
Adam Curry: So how is breeze
going to solve all this?

720
00:44:13,350 --> 00:44:16,920
Unknown: Well, again, it's not
just about breeze, a breeze is a

721
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,430
means to an end. And the end is
to have a decentralized peer to

722
00:44:20,430 --> 00:44:24,870
peer money. And in the world,
what we're the way that we're

723
00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:29,550
trying to move the needle is by
for the first time working on a

724
00:44:29,550 --> 00:44:34,710
noncustodial SDK, providing
developers and vendors and

725
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:37,890
companies the ability to
integrate lightning payments

726
00:44:37,890 --> 00:44:42,870
into their applications. But
doing that a while maintaining

727
00:44:43,500 --> 00:44:47,640
the noncustodial architecture.
So that's what we've been

728
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,190
working on for the past 268
months.

729
00:44:50,219 --> 00:44:52,619
Adam Curry: So how does it work?
How is it possible? How

730
00:44:52,620 --> 00:44:54,450
Unknown: does it work? Yeah, I
mean,

731
00:44:55,650 --> 00:44:57,570
Adam Curry: this is trickery.
There's got to be something

732
00:44:57,570 --> 00:44:59,970
that's in the cloud, you're not
being truthful.

733
00:45:00,510 --> 00:45:02,730
Dave Jones: When you say
noncustodial, just for clarity,

734
00:45:02,730 --> 00:45:06,810
when you say noncustodial, I
mean, you clearly with the SDK,

735
00:45:06,810 --> 00:45:09,930
since it relies on green light,
and I'll let you get into that.

736
00:45:09,930 --> 00:45:13,710
But does it relies on block
streams, infrastructure, it's

737
00:45:13,710 --> 00:45:19,020
custodial in the sense of keys,
and fund and fund ownership is

738
00:45:19,020 --> 00:45:23,940
not custodial in the sense of,
like, hard wearing the, it's

739
00:45:23,940 --> 00:45:24,300
really

740
00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:27,090
Unknown: easy. So I
differentiate between custodial

741
00:45:27,930 --> 00:45:31,350
cuz being a custodian and being
centralized, that's not the same

742
00:45:31,350 --> 00:45:35,580
thing. So because custody, when
I refer to custody, I only mean,

743
00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:39,870
in terms of the keys, like the
ability of someone else to use

744
00:45:39,870 --> 00:45:44,130
your funds. That's for me, when
I say non custodial, I mean, no

745
00:45:44,130 --> 00:45:49,770
one can move your funds without
your permission in your fund.

746
00:45:50,130 --> 00:45:53,430
Dave Jones: To, to clarify that
a little bit. I think that's

747
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:57,210
important. Maybe people who
aren't as knowledgeable about

748
00:45:57,210 --> 00:46:00,690
Bitcoin might not understand
that if you, if you have control

749
00:46:00,690 --> 00:46:05,760
of your own keys, then even if
the infrastructure underlying

750
00:46:05,790 --> 00:46:10,530
your wallet goes away, you can
go and spin up a wallet in a

751
00:46:10,530 --> 00:46:14,730
different location. reapply your
keys and your funds are still

752
00:46:14,730 --> 00:46:18,150
there like you, you don't your
your funds live on the chain,

753
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:23,130
they don't live in the wallet.
So the the, the risk of losing

754
00:46:23,130 --> 00:46:27,840
infrastructure is not is is not
really much of a risk other than

755
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,320
just functionality, you know,
you may lose the function that

756
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,870
you're used to. But you don't
lose any you don't lose any

757
00:46:33,870 --> 00:46:35,310
money. You don't lose any funds.

758
00:46:36,060 --> 00:46:45,360
Unknown: You're right. But but
but we also aspire to be a try

759
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,980
to to minimize the trust in
embrace and to make a breeze

760
00:46:50,010 --> 00:46:55,950
also, a more decentralized, not
just noncustodial, but more

761
00:46:55,950 --> 00:46:59,250
decentralized. Let's let's talk
about like Adam asked about the

762
00:46:59,250 --> 00:47:01,830
architecture, let's talk about
the architecture. And then I'll

763
00:47:01,830 --> 00:47:05,970
explain how we decentralizing
the, the components of the

764
00:47:05,970 --> 00:47:09,750
process decay? How do we do an
open LSP platform? And how are

765
00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:13,770
we going to add the SDK on top
of we're in like, so you you're

766
00:47:13,770 --> 00:47:18,750
not vendor locked into into
Blockstream? Yeah. So the way

767
00:47:18,750 --> 00:47:24,330
the SDK works, right now in
breeze, we you run, we run and

768
00:47:24,330 --> 00:47:27,960
the user runs a fully featured
lightning node inside the mobile

769
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:34,800
device. A, what we're, we've
done with the, with the LSP with

770
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:40,680
the SDK is is to, to be able to
run the node on the cloud

771
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,800
environment. You're right. And
and that's the secret sauce.

772
00:47:43,830 --> 00:47:50,970
Yeah, the node is is now in a
hybrid model, where the data of

773
00:47:50,970 --> 00:47:59,250
the node resides on the cloud.
And the keys are, are still in

774
00:47:59,250 --> 00:48:05,670
the mobile device. So the user
holds the key data, the data

775
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:10,410
that can sign the transaction,
and the node has all the channel

776
00:48:10,410 --> 00:48:14,790
states and all the information
that is needed in order to route

777
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:20,640
payments. That's like the
decoupling of the signer from

778
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:21,690
the note

779
00:48:21,780 --> 00:48:24,450
Adam Curry: write it. But that's
only for that. So you really

780
00:48:24,450 --> 00:48:27,540
only need the key pair when
you're sending something

781
00:48:27,540 --> 00:48:30,270
receiving is just open all the
time, I expect, like you

782
00:48:30,270 --> 00:48:31,950
wouldn't reject a payment.
Right?

783
00:48:32,339 --> 00:48:36,209
Unknown: It will, so that he
doesn't solve and yeah, I heard

784
00:48:36,209 --> 00:48:40,079
you in the previous show stock
talk about it. The fact that

785
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:43,349
we've we're are moving to green
light, and we're adding green

786
00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:46,949
light as a solution in breeze
doesn't solve the offline

787
00:48:47,069 --> 00:48:51,839
problem of needing to sign the
transaction while you're

788
00:48:52,139 --> 00:48:56,789
offline. That doesn't solve that
a note on the mobile node on

789
00:48:56,789 --> 00:48:59,189
green light, it has the same
issue in that regard.

790
00:49:00,180 --> 00:49:04,260
Adam Curry: So what is that
Moline? Yeah. Okay,

791
00:49:04,410 --> 00:49:07,770
Unknown: so yeah, let's get to
that in a second. Let me just

792
00:49:07,770 --> 00:49:10,110
completed the architecture tour.
And then we'll

793
00:49:10,589 --> 00:49:13,799
Adam Curry: drill on your left
here, you see the node channels

794
00:49:13,799 --> 00:49:15,869
on your right, you see your
mobile app, okay.

795
00:49:15,900 --> 00:49:19,710
Unknown: Yes, yeah, because the
presence of K isn't just an end

796
00:49:19,710 --> 00:49:24,390
user node, it's the entire end
to end stack of being able to

797
00:49:24,570 --> 00:49:29,640
send and receive payments. So
you need an end user node, but

798
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,000
you also need an LSP that
provides the liquidity to the

799
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,650
end user node. And you you need
also swap services that that

800
00:49:37,650 --> 00:49:41,940
provides the on chain
interoperability. So the bridge

801
00:49:41,940 --> 00:49:47,520
is the case really an end to end
solution that, that have all the

802
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:52,110
pieces of the puzzle in order to
allow a developer just to call

803
00:49:52,110 --> 00:49:55,740
one API to send the payment and
one API to receive a payment,

804
00:49:55,830 --> 00:49:59,760
right. We put all the services
within the process Okay, so

805
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:04,590
that's The breezes decay in a
nutshell. And to answer your

806
00:50:04,590 --> 00:50:09,330
your your question, Dave, or
your remark about being

807
00:50:09,330 --> 00:50:12,990
decentralized, we don't want
only to support Well, Bruce is

808
00:50:12,990 --> 00:50:17,250
vendor agnostic, we use the best
tool for the job LDK, we all

809
00:50:17,250 --> 00:50:20,820
will also support the cloud
architecture. And we're gonna

810
00:50:20,820 --> 00:50:25,590
head LDK to our SDK. So
developers will be able to

811
00:50:25,590 --> 00:50:29,970
choose a block stream or SDK or
even host, a green light, by the

812
00:50:29,970 --> 00:50:32,160
way, green light is going to be
open source, they will be able

813
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:37,170
to offload the green light data
into their own environment and

814
00:50:37,170 --> 00:50:40,350
use their own green light
environment. And they will be

815
00:50:40,350 --> 00:50:47,130
able to do so. So with the with
the SDK as well. And a on the

816
00:50:47,130 --> 00:50:52,590
LSP side, it's a open LSP
architecture where you can plug

817
00:50:52,590 --> 00:50:56,340
in your own LSP, you don't have
to rely on Brees as the

818
00:50:56,340 --> 00:51:02,400
liquidity provider. So okay, so
yeah, the offline, I hear the

819
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:03,960
offline problem is bothering
you.

820
00:51:04,199 --> 00:51:06,119
Adam Curry: Of course it is, of
course, I mean, you'd give me

821
00:51:06,119 --> 00:51:09,419
this great, you know, that
maybe, maybe you're hearing me

822
00:51:09,419 --> 00:51:16,559
in normal pacing, so you're not
quite used to be talking much

823
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:17,069
faster.

824
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:18,960
Dave Jones: Say it really quick.

825
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,370
Adam Curry: So what it sounds
like to me is it won't work out

826
00:51:23,370 --> 00:51:26,400
of the box for Kison with
podcasting payments.

827
00:51:27,180 --> 00:51:31,830
Unknown: You're right in now,
right now. But we are working.

828
00:51:31,830 --> 00:51:35,160
And that's very high on our
priority list. There are two

829
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:40,140
things that we can do. One thing
that we are already doing, and

830
00:51:40,170 --> 00:51:46,110
that that's going to be released
very soon, hopefully. Yeah, I

831
00:51:46,110 --> 00:51:49,320
don't want to my my, my
founders, my co founders will be

832
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,560
angry at me. So I'm not going to
say, because they're the one I'm

833
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:57,900
going to work Kingaroy. Exactly.
I'm just talking on podcast, but

834
00:51:57,900 --> 00:52:05,490
there. But soon soon, it's like
it's very, very high on our

835
00:52:05,490 --> 00:52:09,060
priority list. They're already
started working on it. We're

836
00:52:09,060 --> 00:52:16,170
going to we're going to provide
a web hook in the SDK that will

837
00:52:16,170 --> 00:52:24,000
allow the, the LSP and the user
node to wake up the clients. If

838
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:31,680
they if the if the if the client
is offline. And the client is on

839
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,650
mobile, by the way, the SDK
isn't limited to mobile, like if

840
00:52:34,650 --> 00:52:37,230
you run the SDK in a server
environment, you don't have an

841
00:52:37,230 --> 00:52:42,450
issue, right? Because the SDK
can be notified. Right that

842
00:52:42,450 --> 00:52:46,110
okay, can can wake up and sign
the transaction. So the only

843
00:52:46,110 --> 00:52:50,580
issue? I'm sorry, keep going.
No, good. No,

844
00:52:50,610 --> 00:52:52,920
Adam Curry: I'm sorry, I didn't
The only issue go ahead.

845
00:52:53,219 --> 00:52:56,819
Unknown: The only issue where we
have a problems with offline

846
00:52:56,819 --> 00:53:01,619
signing is if you run a mobile
application, you need to make

847
00:53:01,619 --> 00:53:06,719
sure the application gets enough
CPU in order to sign the

848
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:11,009
transaction. And this is
feasible, very feasible to solve

849
00:53:11,549 --> 00:53:14,579
in the green light architecture,
because in the green light

850
00:53:14,579 --> 00:53:20,729
architecture, unlike the unlike
the l&t architecture, in Elland

851
00:53:20,759 --> 00:53:24,929
in l&d, you need to start the
node in order to, to be able to

852
00:53:24,929 --> 00:53:29,489
sign and that takes a lot of
time, in relatively a lot of

853
00:53:29,489 --> 00:53:33,389
time, like five to 10 seconds.
That's not enough time in order

854
00:53:33,389 --> 00:53:39,239
to respond to a mobile
notification in iOS and Android.

855
00:53:39,389 --> 00:53:44,009
But in green light, there is no
there is no node, you don't need

856
00:53:44,009 --> 00:53:48,989
to run a node, you just need to
sign a state. Okay, so it can

857
00:53:49,169 --> 00:53:52,529
can be done very quickly. And
we're going to implement that.

858
00:53:53,069 --> 00:53:58,709
So you won't be won't have the
offline problem in the in our

859
00:53:58,739 --> 00:54:03,809
SDK. That's that's the that's
the like the hack. I call it the

860
00:54:03,809 --> 00:54:07,229
hack, because we're leveraging
the capabilities of mobile

861
00:54:07,229 --> 00:54:09,539
notification in order to write
transaction.

862
00:54:10,890 --> 00:54:14,160
Adam Curry: So let me just break
this out. So if someone creates

863
00:54:14,190 --> 00:54:19,260
a service, or let's say, a
service for podcasters, who want

864
00:54:19,260 --> 00:54:22,500
to receive value for value
streaming payments and booster

865
00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:27,690
grams, that would all be server
based stuff anyway. You know,

866
00:54:27,690 --> 00:54:31,560
presumably, presumably a webpage
you're not necessarily something

867
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,380
on your mobile it wouldn't
necessarily be an app so no

868
00:54:34,380 --> 00:54:38,100
problem to spin up receiving
wallets for podcasters very

869
00:54:38,100 --> 00:54:44,880
quickly for it sounds like for
podcast listeners who are

870
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,790
sending payments there's no
problem out of the box either

871
00:54:47,850 --> 00:54:48,450
because you know

872
00:54:48,449 --> 00:54:51,149
Unknown: your ending note said
okay, just got it, got it, got

873
00:54:51,149 --> 00:54:51,479
it got it.

874
00:54:52,110 --> 00:54:54,180
Adam Curry: Interesting. So,

875
00:54:54,449 --> 00:54:58,289
Unknown: but receiving that will
take care of receiving as well.

876
00:54:58,979 --> 00:55:05,489
And that there is another long
term task that requires protocol

877
00:55:05,519 --> 00:55:09,599
enhancements in order to support
it's called assing. payments in

878
00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:13,859
lightning. There are few
features including Bolt 12,

879
00:55:13,859 --> 00:55:17,669
including blindness path,
including on your messages that

880
00:55:17,669 --> 00:55:20,999
are needed to be implemented in
order to implement us the

881
00:55:20,999 --> 00:55:23,669
corniest payments in the
infrastructure in the

882
00:55:23,669 --> 00:55:26,939
infrastructure, currently
lightning you can send only if

883
00:55:26,939 --> 00:55:30,569
the user the pay and the payer
are online at the same time

884
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:36,569
asking payment will enable
lightning payments where the

885
00:55:36,599 --> 00:55:38,939
receiver can be offline.

886
00:55:39,449 --> 00:55:42,419
Dave Jones: Now, how does that
happen? I mean, is there a

887
00:55:42,419 --> 00:55:44,849
watchtower involved availa?
What's no

888
00:55:44,850 --> 00:55:50,970
Unknown: the LSP is actually
involved. So this requires

889
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:56,580
another node that holds another
online node that holds the

890
00:55:56,580 --> 00:56:00,180
payment, the problem, you can
implement that already right

891
00:56:00,180 --> 00:56:04,710
now, like you, let's say you
have two mobile clients. And

892
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:10,830
both are using a LSPs. Lightning
service, I'd like to know that

893
00:56:10,830 --> 00:56:13,440
that connects them to the
network, you can send a payment

894
00:56:13,470 --> 00:56:19,620
to the to the pay LSP. The pay
LSP can hold the payment until

895
00:56:19,620 --> 00:56:25,710
the pay is back online. That's
easy to implement. The problem

896
00:56:25,710 --> 00:56:30,600
with that solution? Is that
enlightening. You lock the

897
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,440
liquidity along the route. And
that's a bad solution. Because

898
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:38,340
if you lock the liquidity until
the day is back online, then you

899
00:56:38,340 --> 00:56:43,560
can't use the liquidity for
other payments. So the secret

900
00:56:43,590 --> 00:56:47,790
sauce, like the magic with a
assing payment solution is to

901
00:56:47,790 --> 00:56:54,750
hold the payment at the first of
the initial hope between the the

902
00:56:54,810 --> 00:56:56,400
payer and the LSP of

903
00:56:57,030 --> 00:56:58,830
Adam Curry: that she acing part.
Okay,

904
00:56:58,860 --> 00:57:01,290
Unknown: I gotcha. Exactly.
Okay, exactly. So

905
00:57:01,290 --> 00:57:06,450
Adam Curry: this brings up two
questions. One, well, that will

906
00:57:07,590 --> 00:57:11,280
help I'll start backwards
pricing. Now the way you will do

907
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,370
this will be percentages of
everything. There's no upfront

908
00:57:14,370 --> 00:57:18,900
fee, you just it's it's a
percentage of transactions, etc,

909
00:57:18,900 --> 00:57:21,300
whatever, whatever breeze kind
of does now, I presume?

910
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:24,810
Unknown: Yes, exactly why that's
just about documenting our

911
00:57:24,810 --> 00:57:28,740
current model of leveraging
lightning fees. Lightning has an

912
00:57:28,740 --> 00:57:32,910
inherent business model baked
into it. And we're leveraging

913
00:57:32,910 --> 00:57:35,790
the lightning business model. I
don't want to reinvent any

914
00:57:35,790 --> 00:57:39,810
grand, I believe in the
lightning routing fees. Yeah,

915
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,170
Adam Curry: me too. And I also
believe in fees in general. And

916
00:57:43,170 --> 00:57:46,170
that's why I propose hosting
companies should look into

917
00:57:46,170 --> 00:57:49,560
something like this and spin it
up and take a take a percentage

918
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:53,310
instead of a monthly fee. Second
thing I'm very concerned,

919
00:57:53,820 --> 00:57:58,740
personally, about now what's
happening with noster and zaps

920
00:57:58,740 --> 00:58:04,140
and all this crap. And it looks
like lightning is really not

921
00:58:04,140 --> 00:58:08,100
being used much anymore.
Everyone's going towards ln URL.

922
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:13,410
De will have to jump in with the
seems to be any other way than

923
00:58:13,410 --> 00:58:15,960
we're doing it which of course,
we architected because we're

924
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:21,690
genius. It puts so much weight
on podcast apps, that is because

925
00:58:21,690 --> 00:58:25,440
going to become very
inefficient. And even the,

926
00:58:25,740 --> 00:58:29,910
although I like what's happening
with Noster, their zaps. I mean,

927
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:33,390
it's caused all kinds of
problems. And I'm not I'm not

928
00:58:33,390 --> 00:58:37,140
sure if this is good, other than
getting people are in the habit

929
00:58:37,140 --> 00:58:40,950
of transacting. I think that's
very good. But I'm worried about

930
00:58:40,980 --> 00:58:45,960
KY sand in general, and how
Ellen URL, we have a whole group

931
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,440
called the lnu, we're all mafia,
and they come in and they stomp

932
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:53,220
all over you and then they leave
and they do nothing. It just

933
00:58:53,220 --> 00:58:59,700
seems problematic to me. I may
be overreacting a bit. So

934
00:58:59,700 --> 00:59:00,540
hysterical.

935
00:59:01,949 --> 00:59:04,589
Unknown: Ellen, your role is a
workaround. And everyone

936
00:59:04,589 --> 00:59:09,029
acknowledge that Ellen URL is a
workaround. It's in place

937
00:59:09,029 --> 00:59:12,719
because it bridges some gaps
that exist currently in the

938
00:59:12,719 --> 00:59:17,999
specification. With Bolt 12 You
don't need bolt oil in your

939
00:59:17,999 --> 00:59:25,079
rail. Because you can initiate a
payment without an invoice

940
00:59:25,619 --> 00:59:31,019
without an invoice. And and and
that leaves us if that exists.

941
00:59:31,049 --> 00:59:35,759
That leaves us with a assing
issue that is also on track to

942
00:59:35,759 --> 00:59:41,219
be resolved. When we have asked
in payments support, then we can

943
00:59:41,219 --> 00:59:45,839
also support both both welfare
in a noncustodial fashion. So So

944
00:59:45,839 --> 00:59:50,519
I think again, we're running a
marathon year right? And there

945
00:59:50,519 --> 00:59:54,809
are some stuff that are not
ideal right now and centralized

946
00:59:54,809 --> 00:59:58,949
right now. And custodial right
now. But I see a clear path

947
00:59:58,949 --> 01:00:03,149
where everything is Is converged
into a noncustodial clean

948
01:00:03,149 --> 01:00:06,659
solution within the protocol
itself. So I'm not too worried

949
01:00:06,659 --> 01:00:10,079
about that. That's why I also
been always very pragmatic in

950
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:13,319
breathing, supporting these
protocols that we support and in

951
01:00:13,319 --> 01:00:16,349
your realm, and we support
lightning address, because we

952
01:00:16,349 --> 01:00:20,639
understand that the market need
this feature features. And we

953
01:00:20,639 --> 01:00:23,639
don't want to say no, you don't
need this feature. Yeah, you

954
01:00:23,639 --> 01:00:26,099
need the lightning address,
because it's easier to send a

955
01:00:26,099 --> 01:00:29,159
payment with a lightning
address. I just want to have a

956
01:00:29,159 --> 01:00:33,779
lightning address supported in a
noncustodial fashion. So that's

957
01:00:33,779 --> 01:00:37,019
what what they saw both

958
01:00:37,020 --> 01:00:39,330
Adam Curry: Well, what you're
saying is Bolt 12, which I'm

959
01:00:39,330 --> 01:00:43,650
told will not not be here until
my grandchildren are in college.

960
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:44,670
Yeah.

961
01:00:46,020 --> 01:00:49,710
Dave Jones: Two years. I mean,
like, lnd. To me, lightning labs

962
01:00:49,710 --> 01:00:50,670
and l&d has to hold

963
01:00:50,670 --> 01:00:54,120
Unknown: up. Yes, yeah. Yeah,
definitely. And that's the stuff

964
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:59,880
that concerns me like a I spent
a lot of a lot of time

965
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:06,660
advocating for both wealth and,
and I think, but it's like, we

966
01:01:06,660 --> 01:01:11,460
need to get l&d on board. But
l&d will get on board. And by

967
01:01:11,460 --> 01:01:17,580
the way, you talked about noster
the people that are taking part

968
01:01:17,580 --> 01:01:20,970
in the nostril development, they
understand the importance of

969
01:01:21,150 --> 01:01:24,630
both worlds, they do also want
to support both worlds. They

970
01:01:24,630 --> 01:01:27,600
also want to use the breezes
decay and to integrate breathe

971
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:32,790
into nostril clients. So I think
I'm far more optimistic than

972
01:01:32,820 --> 01:01:33,840
than you, Adam.

973
01:01:33,900 --> 01:01:37,950
Adam Curry: I'm not. I'm not.
No, I'm okay. Good. I'm glad

974
01:01:37,950 --> 01:01:39,810
you're optimistic. We've only
been talking about it for a

975
01:01:39,810 --> 01:01:46,800
year. The nostre thing is
fascinating to me. Because it's

976
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:51,210
such a poor, poor experience as
any kind of salt. I mean, it I

977
01:01:51,210 --> 01:01:55,350
know that it's not supposed to
be an if social media or you

978
01:01:55,350 --> 01:01:58,710
know, or a competitor to
Twitter, I understand as

979
01:01:58,710 --> 01:02:01,410
building blocks. But this is the
first application which is by

980
01:02:01,410 --> 01:02:07,380
the way, is always a drag on any
new technology like okay, here's

981
01:02:07,380 --> 01:02:09,990
what we're using it for you when
you say noster now, it's Agen.

982
01:02:09,990 --> 01:02:14,130
It's it's agnostic. It's like,
Oh, you mean the decentralized

983
01:02:14,130 --> 01:02:18,180
Twitter. And it's far from a
decentralized Twitter. It's not

984
01:02:18,180 --> 01:02:24,420
a great experience. And the only
thing it's serving right now is

985
01:02:24,930 --> 01:02:27,870
people are sending each other's
zaps, which I think is

986
01:02:27,870 --> 01:02:32,610
fantastic. I mean, that's it
really, there's no content, all

987
01:02:32,610 --> 01:02:37,020
it is, is PV Pura Vida here, I
zapped you, I love you back.

988
01:02:37,020 --> 01:02:41,820
That's all that it is. And so
they have to be very careful to

989
01:02:41,820 --> 01:02:44,460
make sure that everyone
understands how you because I

990
01:02:44,460 --> 01:02:49,290
really believe there's a future
for this. But there's so many

991
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,740
loose things hanging left and
right. And, you know, having

992
01:02:52,740 --> 01:02:58,230
celebrity people like Dorsey
endorsing it. And and, you know,

993
01:02:58,410 --> 01:03:01,500
throwing Thank you, thank you,
and throwing money out, you

994
01:03:01,500 --> 01:03:06,450
know, SATs to get stuff going.
And I really hope that it

995
01:03:06,450 --> 01:03:09,720
graduates from where it is right
now. Because I really see a

996
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:13,650
future for noster as the notes
over, you know, relays and

997
01:03:13,650 --> 01:03:14,730
things or whatever.

998
01:03:15,180 --> 01:03:17,790
Unknown: Yeah, I think the
problems in noster are

999
01:03:17,790 --> 01:03:22,920
different. We can talk about
that, as well. But yes, it's

1000
01:03:22,950 --> 01:03:26,430
early tech. And you can tell
people like Hey, guys, let's

1001
01:03:26,430 --> 01:03:30,090
wait till we have a standard for
us in payments. And then you

1002
01:03:30,090 --> 01:03:33,300
will be able to implement your
steps. They want to they're

1003
01:03:33,300 --> 01:03:36,780
excited, they want to implement
their zaps. And then you need to

1004
01:03:36,810 --> 01:03:40,380
let them play with zaps, and
they educate the market about

1005
01:03:40,380 --> 01:03:44,130
the importance of is apps
instead likes instead of likes,

1006
01:03:44,130 --> 01:03:47,940
and that's a good thing. There's
a lot of good, the problems with

1007
01:03:47,940 --> 01:03:51,630
noster. I think you're right to
say that noster is more than a

1008
01:03:51,630 --> 01:03:57,120
platform than a Twitter are
alternative. And what I would

1009
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:01,440
like to see is more is like the
expansion of noster into other

1010
01:04:01,860 --> 01:04:04,830
other clients and into being
integrated in other clients.

1011
01:04:04,860 --> 01:04:08,010
Like, what's No sir? No, sir.
It's like a publish subscribe

1012
01:04:08,010 --> 01:04:12,450
model where you can receive
messages that you want to

1013
01:04:12,450 --> 01:04:16,770
receive. So I don't, I'm not
sure that it can. Basically, in

1014
01:04:16,770 --> 01:04:20,010
order to work efficiently, it
needs to have like a fat client,

1015
01:04:20,010 --> 01:04:23,490
like a Smart Client. And then
all the work is being done in

1016
01:04:23,490 --> 01:04:28,410
the in the clients. And I'm not
sure users are used to the

1017
01:04:28,410 --> 01:04:33,330
experience of over over in an
intelligent client because all

1018
01:04:33,330 --> 01:04:37,110
the information all the logic is
in the client. It's not in the

1019
01:04:37,110 --> 01:04:41,610
release. I have a sense I have
like a feeling that realize will

1020
01:04:41,610 --> 01:04:46,260
have to evolve and be smarter
and even add the GFI altering

1021
01:04:46,260 --> 01:04:52,200
the aid, the filtering and AI
algorithms to provide good

1022
01:04:53,699 --> 01:04:56,339
Adam Curry: caching. I mean
that's this is all the stuff

1023
01:04:56,339 --> 01:05:00,809
that years and years went into
activity pub and and And even

1024
01:05:00,809 --> 01:05:04,199
though I don't, I have not
looked under the hood of what

1025
01:05:04,199 --> 01:05:07,379
the relay does, I know what it
does. It's like holy crap,

1026
01:05:07,379 --> 01:05:10,259
there's going to be the, again,
the good thing that's come out

1027
01:05:10,259 --> 01:05:13,799
of that is, hey, you can pay to
use my relay, okay, and now

1028
01:05:13,799 --> 01:05:17,219
we're talking, that's great. But
there's a lot of development

1029
01:05:17,219 --> 01:05:20,189
that needs to be done on the
relays before it can be really

1030
01:05:20,189 --> 01:05:22,979
functionally you kind of have to
have your own relay with your

1031
01:05:22,979 --> 01:05:25,499
own group, which, by the way, is
Mastodon

1032
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:30,210
Unknown: mastodon? Yeah, maybe.
You mean, like more? Yeah, I

1033
01:05:30,210 --> 01:05:34,260
don't know, if sanskars to if it
can scale to like, hundreds of

1034
01:05:34,260 --> 01:05:37,800
1000s and user of users and
millions of users, maybe they

1035
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:44,130
will have to be more focused on
specific use cases, specific

1036
01:05:45,060 --> 01:05:46,410
discussions in groups

1037
01:05:48,540 --> 01:05:51,390
Dave Jones: using URL and URL
that's called a DDoS. Attack. I

1038
01:05:51,390 --> 01:05:54,480
mean, that's, that's probably
going to be like, that's, that's

1039
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:58,440
the concern I have is, you know,
in some ways, that noster as a

1040
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:02,610
replacement for Twitter was
probably the worst. It's

1041
01:06:02,610 --> 01:06:05,940
probably the worst use case.
Like, it would have almost been

1042
01:06:05,940 --> 01:06:09,570
better if they had gone some
different route and just didn't

1043
01:06:09,570 --> 01:06:14,250
even like pure Pub Sub,
subscribe, you know, mechanism,

1044
01:06:14,460 --> 01:06:17,670
instead of trying to recreate
Twitter on nostril because you

1045
01:06:17,670 --> 01:06:20,880
get in there. I installed the
client for the first time this

1046
01:06:20,910 --> 01:06:23,910
past week, just so I could speak
and you know, understand what we

1047
01:06:23,910 --> 01:06:24,030
do.

1048
01:06:24,390 --> 01:06:27,960
Unknown: You have like 100 and
100. Clients like yeah, day by

1049
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:31,350
day means damos demo day with
you every day. You're lucky.

1050
01:06:31,410 --> 01:06:34,800
That's the bit. Yeah, well, I've
installed the Android and iOS

1051
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:36,990
users. So I don't have the
fortune of

1052
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:40,950
Adam Curry: Me neither, Roy Me
neither, I'm jank shit. I got,

1053
01:06:41,250 --> 01:06:45,840
I'm using Amethyst is amethyst,
I don't like Amethyst, and Iris

1054
01:06:45,870 --> 01:06:47,460
Iris actually works a little
better than

1055
01:06:47,490 --> 01:06:51,270
Unknown: Iris amethyst, this
snore, like I use all of them.

1056
01:06:52,710 --> 01:06:55,260
Dave Jones: That is on debt. But
that experience has gotten

1057
01:06:55,260 --> 01:06:58,680
Unknown: better, let's say let's
say a Yeah, it's early, early,

1058
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:02,580
early, early Tech, I am coming
from an enterprise software

1059
01:07:02,580 --> 01:07:07,050
lacking enterprise software, you
would never release something

1060
01:07:07,050 --> 01:07:15,120
like faster. Never. So, so it's
early, early, early tech, but I

1061
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:21,420
see an impact. Like, as a user,
I see a relays are more stable,

1062
01:07:21,450 --> 01:07:24,720
more robust, more serious, like
I see the improvement in the US

1063
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:25,830
as well. Now.

1064
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,460
Dave Jones: I'm just I'm afraid
when the when the when the I'm

1065
01:07:29,460 --> 01:07:32,940
just afraid when the when the
kid point when the child porn

1066
01:07:32,940 --> 01:07:35,880
stuff shows up, and there's
gonna be no way to handle it.

1067
01:07:35,940 --> 01:07:38,790
And it's just gonna, the whole
thing's gonna melt down because

1068
01:07:38,790 --> 01:07:44,400
it's, it's a ball. It's a it's a
Yeah, it can blow this thing can

1069
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,130
blow up in 1000 different ways.
And I'm not sure if people are

1070
01:07:47,130 --> 01:07:51,870
prepared for the, for the blow
up. Well, so that's what was

1071
01:07:51,870 --> 01:07:52,140
wrong

1072
01:07:52,140 --> 01:07:57,900
Unknown: with the blow ups. It's
good, it will progress. Like it.

1073
01:08:00,870 --> 01:08:06,270
I think like I like the tech
experiment, and I think that

1074
01:08:06,270 --> 01:08:10,500
will only result in like
evolution and improvement. It's

1075
01:08:10,500 --> 01:08:13,320
not Bitcoin, like, I don't think
we need to apply the Bitcoin

1076
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:19,980
mindset of everything needs to
be like, very, very robust and

1077
01:08:19,980 --> 01:08:23,100
stable in order to it's a
building block the, it's the

1078
01:08:23,100 --> 01:08:26,460
most basic building block, I
think, in Noster, there's room

1079
01:08:26,460 --> 01:08:31,050
to make mistakes, and we should
expect that things will blow up

1080
01:08:31,050 --> 01:08:34,650
and they will, and it's good.
It's going to be for the good.

1081
01:08:35,190 --> 01:08:41,100
Adam Curry: The the the I just
look at trends. That's kind of

1082
01:08:41,100 --> 01:08:47,160
what I do. And I see the you
know, it's censorship resistant.

1083
01:08:47,220 --> 01:08:52,830
Oh, my God. Okay, no, there's no
real it's just a little bit too

1084
01:08:52,830 --> 01:08:55,080
much of that marketing. Yeah,
let's

1085
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:56,910
Unknown: talk about that.
Because I think that's the key,

1086
01:08:56,910 --> 01:09:00,840
like, censorship resistance in
my ass, because at the end of

1087
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:05,190
the day, it's an iOS app, and
it's in a Google Play app. And

1088
01:09:05,220 --> 01:09:09,450
everything is being controlled
by Google and Apple by the end

1089
01:09:09,450 --> 01:09:11,370
of the day. So

1090
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:14,070
Dave Jones: that's what I see as
the most likely outcome to this

1091
01:09:14,070 --> 01:09:17,430
honestly, Roy is that we have
seen this already. I mean, look

1092
01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:21,210
at truth, social. Look at these
websites, look at these social

1093
01:09:21,210 --> 01:09:25,470
networks that got pulled front
and gab and they get pulled from

1094
01:09:25,470 --> 01:09:30,630
the app stores because they
didn't meet the the moderation

1095
01:09:30,630 --> 01:09:33,270
requirement. You're required. If
you run a social network and put

1096
01:09:33,270 --> 01:09:36,540
that you put your social network
app in the app stores. You're

1097
01:09:36,540 --> 01:09:41,250
required by Google and Apple to
have a social use a to have a

1098
01:09:41,250 --> 01:09:44,790
moderation functionality. You
don't have

1099
01:09:46,379 --> 01:09:50,039
Unknown: to I think I think they
most did add the demo demos,

1100
01:09:50,039 --> 01:09:55,319
demos, demos, I don't know how
to pronounce that. But I think

1101
01:09:55,319 --> 01:10:00,359
they added some features to be
able to comply with this A

1102
01:10:00,419 --> 01:10:04,409
regulation they do have a way to
market sensitive content, they

1103
01:10:04,409 --> 01:10:08,309
do have a way to filter stuff at
the client that the client can

1104
01:10:08,309 --> 01:10:11,729
say I don't want to see
sensitive content. So I think

1105
01:10:11,729 --> 01:10:15,959
they, they've made some work.
I'm not familiar with all the

1106
01:10:15,959 --> 01:10:20,369
nips, but they added some nips
in the to bed to the to deal

1107
01:10:20,369 --> 01:10:26,099
with this requirements. But if
Apple won't like the most, then

1108
01:10:26,309 --> 01:10:28,199
they must want the client

1109
01:10:28,230 --> 01:10:29,910
Adam Curry: right. By the way,

1110
01:10:30,150 --> 01:10:33,660
Unknown: I serve today is
censorship resistant in my ass.

1111
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:35,370
Adam Curry: I love that great
ice. Alright.

1112
01:10:37,740 --> 01:10:39,510
Dave Jones: What is this ISO
button this

1113
01:10:40,170 --> 01:10:42,180
Adam Curry: will they're
literally transcribing the

1114
01:10:42,180 --> 01:10:47,010
podcast in real time. You do
dollar sign ISO and then you

1115
01:10:47,070 --> 01:10:49,920
type in the words you want
isolated, and it spits back an

1116
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:50,730
mp3.

1117
01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:53,670
Dave Jones: This is voodoo
because I saw somebody do this a

1118
01:10:53,670 --> 01:10:58,140
while ago, and they misspelled
the the they misspelled the

1119
01:10:58,140 --> 01:10:59,640
transcript. And it still shows.

1120
01:10:59,910 --> 01:11:02,370
Adam Curry: Yeah, Roy, you're
not in the chat room probably.

1121
01:11:02,370 --> 01:11:06,450
But it's crazy. What's going on
here. They literally have a bot

1122
01:11:06,450 --> 01:11:10,860
where you said I typed in dollar
sign ISO censorship resistant my

1123
01:11:10,860 --> 01:11:14,490
ass and it sent back that that
mp3 in the chat room on with a

1124
01:11:14,490 --> 01:11:18,000
link that yeah, this is magic.
It is yeah.

1125
01:11:19,140 --> 01:11:22,530
Dave Jones: I need somebody
needs to get SAS for this is

1126
01:11:22,530 --> 01:11:28,740
what it was this is incredible.
Well, I don't I'm just I'm also

1127
01:11:28,740 --> 01:11:32,430
a little concerned about the I
don't the bifurcation, that's

1128
01:11:32,430 --> 01:11:37,620
where we made this model of, you
know, boosts in payment, you

1129
01:11:37,620 --> 01:11:41,190
know, payment methodologies, or
like, spontaneous payments over

1130
01:11:41,190 --> 01:11:44,130
lightning and that kind of
thing. And it feels like the nip

1131
01:11:44,130 --> 01:11:48,360
57 stuff just sort of went a
completely different direction,

1132
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:50,430
because it's Ellen URL.

1133
01:11:50,459 --> 01:11:53,309
Adam Curry: What is that in NiP?
15? What is that I have no idea

1134
01:11:53,309 --> 01:11:54,389
what that is. That's

1135
01:11:54,420 --> 01:11:56,910
Dave Jones: zap, that's the
protocol for how to do a zap.

1136
01:11:56,970 --> 01:12:02,250
Oh, and it's all based around
Ellen URL, but I feel it feels

1137
01:12:02,250 --> 01:12:06,060
like Okay, now we have, because
I think that we like we had

1138
01:12:06,060 --> 01:12:09,930
already done this, you know,
done the work here to get some

1139
01:12:10,170 --> 01:12:13,290
histogram and all this stuff and
over over things

1140
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:21,480
Unknown: is apps is that you
want to be able to, to be you

1141
01:12:21,480 --> 01:12:26,850
want the knowledge that is app
was executed. A you don't get

1142
01:12:26,850 --> 01:12:32,370
that with key sand, you do get
that with the beat, in theory

1143
01:12:32,370 --> 01:12:33,510
nipa 57.

1144
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:35,940
Dave Jones: So I'm glad you
brought that up, Roy, because

1145
01:12:35,940 --> 01:12:39,870
that see, I feel like that could
have been the solution to that

1146
01:12:39,870 --> 01:12:44,580
could have been Alex's just JSON
payment token, which gives you a

1147
01:12:44,580 --> 01:12:49,410
payment receipt for for your
keys. And in in response it

1148
01:12:49,410 --> 01:12:51,540
could in that could have been
truly a synchronous, so you

1149
01:12:51,540 --> 01:12:55,200
could have you send your key
send and then wait to receive a

1150
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:59,400
synchronously wait to receive
your JpT back with your payment

1151
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:02,910
receipt. And like then you get
the best of both worlds, you get

1152
01:13:02,910 --> 01:13:06,030
key sin without you know,
without URL and URL overhead.

1153
01:13:06,300 --> 01:13:09,480
And you get the payment receipt.
Like I feel like they went off

1154
01:13:09,480 --> 01:13:13,320
and just sort of did did this
stuff, you know, without

1155
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:16,110
consulting, but I mean
podcasting 2.0 I mean, we're,

1156
01:13:16,440 --> 01:13:19,740
we're slinging SATs around all
over the place. And if I felt

1157
01:13:19,740 --> 01:13:21,540
like was kind of been down with

1158
01:13:22,410 --> 01:13:28,500
Unknown: some work being done to
the lightning addresses into the

1159
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:33,150
into the podcast in TECHSPEC.
Right. So I think everything is

1160
01:13:33,150 --> 01:13:36,420
converged the widow lighting
address and now the lighting

1161
01:13:36,420 --> 01:13:41,640
address is can be a key scent
interface. It can be an Ellen

1162
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:48,480
URL interface, and it can be
when both wealth is is a is

1163
01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:55,530
popularized. It can be also both
wealth. So I like I don't think

1164
01:13:55,530 --> 01:13:58,770
it's an issue because everything
will get consolidated around

1165
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:00,390
lightning address at the end of
the day.

1166
01:14:00,870 --> 01:14:03,600
Dave Jones: How long do you
think it's going to take to get

1167
01:14:03,630 --> 01:14:10,530
to for l&d to move on bolt? 12
So just two years, I mean, no,

1168
01:14:10,530 --> 01:14:14,610
Unknown: no, no, no, there is
already work being done a spiral

1169
01:14:14,610 --> 01:14:23,550
actually are funding a sorry,
well, either spiral or

1170
01:14:23,550 --> 01:14:29,700
chaincode. Someone is fine is
funding Clara, a, a one of the

1171
01:14:29,730 --> 01:14:32,820
one of like a developer that
used to work for lightning labs.

1172
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:37,530
On l&t Now she's working for
either chain code or spiral I

1173
01:14:37,530 --> 01:14:47,850
think spiral. And she's working
on this stuff at the l&d l&d

1174
01:14:47,850 --> 01:14:53,130
code base. And I think her work
will be accepted and will be

1175
01:14:53,130 --> 01:14:57,360
merged in in there. What I'm
trying to say there is an

1176
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:02,130
external push outside of life.
In labs to integrate Bolt 11

1177
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:08,130
Bolt well features into l&d. I
think I'm not sure it's

1178
01:15:08,130 --> 01:15:13,170
mandatory for l&d to support but
both 12 and because I think

1179
01:15:13,170 --> 01:15:17,100
there will be other solutions.
And if both If l&d wants support

1180
01:15:17,100 --> 01:15:20,580
both with, I think they will be
the one that are left behind.

1181
01:15:22,050 --> 01:15:24,720
Dave Jones: Okay, that's good to
hear. I'm glad that there's at

1182
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:26,880
least movement on it, because it
just seemed like it was just

1183
01:15:26,910 --> 01:15:28,140
ignored for a long time.

1184
01:15:28,949 --> 01:15:33,119
Unknown: Yeah, yeah. I again, I
don't want to portray the l&d

1185
01:15:33,119 --> 01:15:36,749
guys in the lightning labs guys
is the bad guys here. They have

1186
01:15:37,319 --> 01:15:42,539
their on their plate. There. 95
plus percent of the nodes are

1187
01:15:42,539 --> 01:15:47,519
running their software, so I'm
sure they're busy. There are

1188
01:15:47,519 --> 01:15:52,379
some, by the way, it's not just
with l&d. I think the challenge

1189
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:56,459
if you're talking about issues
and problems with lightning at

1190
01:15:56,459 --> 01:15:59,939
will, and we were doing like a
SWOT analysis for lightning, I

1191
01:15:59,939 --> 01:16:08,069
think the the fact that every
implementation push for their

1192
01:16:08,069 --> 01:16:12,899
own protocol agenda, that's the
main problem of, of lightning

1193
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:19,319
LDK are pushing to their own
direction a lot, l&d are pushing

1194
01:16:19,319 --> 01:16:24,029
into their own direction as sink
and, and seelen as well. So

1195
01:16:24,029 --> 01:16:25,079
that's the problem.

1196
01:16:25,409 --> 01:16:27,149
Dave Jones: We see the same
thing in podcasting. And every

1197
01:16:27,179 --> 01:16:31,199
every podcast app, pushes in
their own direction and does

1198
01:16:31,199 --> 01:16:34,859
their own thing. And then it
really you end up with most most

1199
01:16:34,859 --> 01:16:36,749
of the time, it's, it's a
beautiful thing, because

1200
01:16:36,749 --> 01:16:41,399
everybody sort of adheres to a
common common base protocol of

1201
01:16:41,399 --> 01:16:43,769
sort of a common way of doing
things. And it's, it's great,

1202
01:16:43,769 --> 01:16:47,279
but then there's, if you get,
there's a level of complexity

1203
01:16:47,279 --> 01:16:51,269
that you want to reach to do a
specific thing. And it just kind

1204
01:16:51,269 --> 01:16:53,819
of falls down because
everybody's going their own way.

1205
01:16:53,819 --> 01:16:57,269
So you there's, I guess we're
anytime you get this much level

1206
01:16:57,269 --> 01:16:59,969
of decentralization, it's not,
you're always going to fight

1207
01:16:59,969 --> 01:17:02,099
these battles. And we're going
to have some visually

1208
01:17:02,100 --> 01:17:04,710
Unknown: around the bruises
standard standardization. I

1209
01:17:04,710 --> 01:17:08,670
don't know how you can do the
sometimes discussion discussions

1210
01:17:08,670 --> 01:17:12,750
like I always opt out at some
point like I can, like everyone

1211
01:17:12,750 --> 01:17:17,760
has an opinion. And it's very,
very, very hard to

1212
01:17:17,820 --> 01:17:19,680
Adam Curry: oh, this is exactly
this is exactly what happened

1213
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:22,980
with podcasting for 10 years,
everyone had an opinion, they

1214
01:17:22,980 --> 01:17:28,950
had groups and steering
committees and and nonprofits

1215
01:17:28,950 --> 01:17:34,530
and industry groups. And now,
ultimately, everybody is in it

1216
01:17:34,530 --> 01:17:39,210
for their own business. And that
only works that only works if

1217
01:17:39,210 --> 01:17:42,810
everyone's a part of the money
flow. That I think is not going

1218
01:17:42,810 --> 01:17:46,530
to say it until I until I spit
my last breath into the into the

1219
01:17:46,530 --> 01:17:50,340
microphone. That is what
podcasting 2.0 That's why it

1220
01:17:50,340 --> 01:17:54,540
works because everybody has an
opportunity to get into the flow

1221
01:17:54,540 --> 01:17:58,020
of the money no matter what
you're doing. That's the secret.

1222
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:00,360
And even the communist don't
know it.

1223
01:18:01,260 --> 01:18:04,710
Unknown: Yes, friend. Yeah. So I
think part of the problem with

1224
01:18:04,710 --> 01:18:09,690
lightning that lightning is
still looking for a go to market

1225
01:18:09,690 --> 01:18:15,630
fit. So the money isn't really
there. So it's the groups like

1226
01:18:15,630 --> 01:18:19,740
the various implementation, they
can't really aligned around the

1227
01:18:19,740 --> 01:18:24,510
requirements, because everyone
has their own requirements, and

1228
01:18:24,510 --> 01:18:26,850
they think they have a
different, like slightly

1229
01:18:26,850 --> 01:18:31,770
different product market fit.
And that's a problem.

1230
01:18:32,459 --> 01:18:34,289
Adam Curry: Well, I'm not quite
sure I understood what you just

1231
01:18:34,289 --> 01:18:34,829
said there.

1232
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:40,350
Unknown: I mean, lightning is
still looking for, like l&d is

1233
01:18:40,350 --> 01:18:46,560
focused on an enterprise I
structure. Yeah. LDK are

1234
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:52,560
focusing on mobile clients, a
CLN are focusing on cloud

1235
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:53,160
environment.

1236
01:18:54,060 --> 01:18:56,790
Adam Curry: No one's focused on
an actual real world

1237
01:18:56,790 --> 01:18:57,630
application.

1238
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,060
Unknown: No, no, it's an
infrastructure. Yes, it's an

1239
01:19:00,060 --> 01:19:03,840
infrastructure work. And we
don't really know, we don't see

1240
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:08,460
the money yet. Let's be honest.
If the money was there, I think

1241
01:19:08,460 --> 01:19:13,200
everyone will be able to align
around like, the priorities and

1242
01:19:13,410 --> 01:19:16,500
in the what requirements are
more important than others, but

1243
01:19:16,530 --> 01:19:17,550
doesn't happen right now.

1244
01:19:17,580 --> 01:19:20,280
Adam Curry: Well, that all
depends on what you what you

1245
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:24,630
define the money as being I
mean, we we've we've amassed a

1246
01:19:24,630 --> 01:19:29,010
full Bitcoin over the course of
the project so far. We're I

1247
01:19:29,010 --> 01:19:32,160
mean, we would starve if that's
what we had to live on, but

1248
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:35,070
we're pretty happy. I mean, it's
like a magic money machine to

1249
01:19:35,070 --> 01:19:35,490
me.

1250
01:19:35,970 --> 01:19:39,120
Dave Jones: But the bolt that
brings me back, that's what I

1251
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:42,180
was talking about Bolt 12 is
because if you want to look at

1252
01:19:42,180 --> 01:19:46,350
anything that's an actual real
world use application, it seems

1253
01:19:46,350 --> 01:19:49,410
to me that the only there's two
things that have floated to the

1254
01:19:49,410 --> 01:19:52,050
top in the lightning world that
are real world use applications.

1255
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:55,410
One is remittance payments
across borders, international

1256
01:19:55,410 --> 01:19:59,400
borders. That's that's a legit
use case that's actually

1257
01:19:59,730 --> 01:20:02,580
powered. We're in a lot of a lot
of financial improvement

1258
01:20:02,580 --> 01:20:06,960
people's lives. And the other
one is spontaneous payments for

1259
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:11,580
created works, whether it's
podcasting 2.0, or whatever or a

1260
01:20:11,580 --> 01:20:15,030
zap over Nasr would spawn take
you have you have remittance

1261
01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:18,060
payments, which are fine for an
actual food, you're fine to do

1262
01:20:18,060 --> 01:20:22,230
with invoices, pre generated
invoices. But then the big, the

1263
01:20:22,230 --> 01:20:26,670
big 100 800 pound gorilla for
use case with lightning is

1264
01:20:26,700 --> 01:20:31,470
spontaneous payments in response
to immediate demand created

1265
01:20:31,470 --> 01:20:33,000
work. And so

1266
01:20:33,030 --> 01:20:34,530
Unknown: that again, that means

1267
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:36,090
Dave Jones: that the 12 Yeah,

1268
01:20:37,170 --> 01:20:40,320
Unknown: you need both. Well,
first to let out let's talk

1269
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:43,440
about the use cases that you
just presented remittance for

1270
01:20:43,470 --> 01:20:46,830
some people in the lightning
community remittance mean, you

1271
01:20:46,830 --> 01:20:53,130
need to support stable coins.
Online. That means Tarot lnd,

1272
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:56,250
lightning labs are focused on
thorough and thorough means

1273
01:20:56,250 --> 01:20:59,370
TabPro channels, temporal
channels require a lot of work.

1274
01:20:59,430 --> 01:21:04,260
So challenging? Yeah.

1275
01:21:04,470 --> 01:21:08,610
Adam Curry: Well, and with that
comes a misnomer. And I still

1276
01:21:08,610 --> 01:21:14,160
read it. We were reading an
article today. The the concept

1277
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:18,000
of value for value versus
tipping, I think most

1278
01:21:18,030 --> 01:21:22,110
development organizations, see
what we're doing is Oh, that's

1279
01:21:22,110 --> 01:21:25,800
tipping. And yeah, if you
consider it to be tipping, then

1280
01:21:25,830 --> 01:21:28,110
out the end of the game, you're
gonna get a fraction of the tip.

1281
01:21:28,140 --> 01:21:30,360
You know, it's like, you're not,
you're not going to make a lot.

1282
01:21:30,630 --> 01:21:33,780
But as Dave pointed out at the
intro, you got to think about

1283
01:21:33,780 --> 01:21:39,390
the instant What do you say
Dave? About for creative work,

1284
01:21:39,390 --> 01:21:39,900
you know,

1285
01:21:40,290 --> 01:21:42,210
Dave Jones: taneous, payments,
spontaneous payment,

1286
01:21:42,420 --> 01:21:46,980
Adam Curry: spontaneous payment
for creative work. I mean, it's,

1287
01:21:47,010 --> 01:21:51,390
it's an industry that is
hundreds of billions of dollars,

1288
01:21:51,390 --> 01:21:53,370
we just haven't figured out how
to capture it yet.

1289
01:21:54,060 --> 01:21:58,680
Dave Jones: I mean, people have
spent Sol million a million set

1290
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:03,450
zap the other day to think think
to Africa, who was to, and then

1291
01:22:03,480 --> 01:22:07,320
I mean, we've gotten the 5
million set, Buena Vista Grande,

1292
01:22:07,530 --> 01:22:09,990
like these are, these are
significant amounts of money

1293
01:22:09,990 --> 01:22:12,060
that are going through
spontaneous payments. So I think

1294
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:15,870
I mean, if they lean into that,
I think it would really help

1295
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:19,650
people, you know, to know the
way forward because everybody

1296
01:22:19,650 --> 01:22:22,170
you talked to says, Well, what
keys and you know, that's hacky?

1297
01:22:22,740 --> 01:22:26,190
I would like to use something
that's not hacky. That will be

1298
01:22:26,190 --> 01:22:26,610
great.

1299
01:22:27,540 --> 01:22:31,650
Unknown: Yeah, I agree. I think
all the all the people in the

1300
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:35,310
ecosystem agree around the use
cases, it's not just about the

1301
01:22:35,310 --> 01:22:39,990
use cases is how to go about
implementing these use cases.

1302
01:22:40,140 --> 01:22:44,520
Right. Some think it should be
completely decentralized, some

1303
01:22:44,610 --> 01:22:47,760
thing that we need to work on
building custodial

1304
01:22:47,790 --> 01:22:52,440
infrastructure, that means
enterprise a solution,

1305
01:22:52,530 --> 01:22:56,190
enterprise grade solutions.
Again, with a stable coin,

1306
01:22:56,190 --> 01:23:00,060
something we need to add, we
must add a stable coin layer in

1307
01:23:00,060 --> 01:23:05,430
order to popularize the
solution. So it's not just about

1308
01:23:05,430 --> 01:23:08,250
the user. Let's see. For
example, let's take a concrete

1309
01:23:08,250 --> 01:23:14,760
example. A remittance now you
can do, using strike a bit No by

1310
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:18,900
pouch like there are the way
that remittance are working on

1311
01:23:18,900 --> 01:23:24,870
top of lightning right now is
using custodial applications,

1312
01:23:25,170 --> 01:23:30,450
that gives you integration with
existing Fiat systems. That's

1313
01:23:30,450 --> 01:23:33,810
the way that you do remittance
on top of lightning right now.

1314
01:23:35,310 --> 01:23:40,620
And there are some people in the
ecosystem that we that think

1315
01:23:40,620 --> 01:23:44,790
that we need to keep remittance
in Fiat. That's why

1316
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:49,920
Adam Curry: That's why right.
But they're building a real

1317
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:52,380
world solution for their own
benefit instead of thinking

1318
01:23:52,380 --> 01:24:00,990
further down the road. A so that
specifically strike they use

1319
01:24:00,990 --> 01:24:04,230
stable coins, all kinds of stuff
to get it into Fiat on the other

1320
01:24:04,230 --> 01:24:08,790
end. And so they want they're
forcing a use case, which is not

1321
01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:12,420
necessarily the best for
lightning long term.

1322
01:24:13,380 --> 01:24:16,170
Unknown: That again, like in
Bitcoin and in lighting in

1323
01:24:16,170 --> 01:24:20,280
general, the best for lightning
the best for Bitcoin is

1324
01:24:20,310 --> 01:24:23,520
dependent on the community and
the people that are building the

1325
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:26,640
solution and there is no
consensus around what's best for

1326
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:31,590
lightning. What's best for
Bitcoin? Well, like it's, by

1327
01:24:31,590 --> 01:24:35,820
definition, it's it's inherently
there's no one answer to that.

1328
01:24:35,820 --> 01:24:39,690
And since there's, there's no a
single answer to that. There.

1329
01:24:39,690 --> 01:24:44,370
You have different people
pulling in different directions.

1330
01:24:45,420 --> 01:24:49,500
Dave Jones: So when when can I
build the breeze SDK? Like when

1331
01:24:49,500 --> 01:24:51,690
is when can I build it?

1332
01:24:51,990 --> 01:24:53,490
Unknown: Come on, Dave. Just

1333
01:24:54,870 --> 01:24:56,910
Dave Jones: but you said you
said I needed green light

1334
01:24:56,910 --> 01:24:59,610
though. You said I needed the
green light port part. Right.

1335
01:24:59,670 --> 01:25:02,730
Unknown: Oh, it oh, sorry,
that's my bad, I didn't give you

1336
01:25:02,730 --> 01:25:06,300
a green light access. Okay, now
what we try to do what we try to

1337
01:25:06,300 --> 01:25:11,640
do, we try to upload the crate
into a repo that you won't have

1338
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:15,390
to build the bruises decay, I
don't know. So I waited for the

1339
01:25:15,390 --> 01:25:18,750
team to get that done in order
to give you like access to the

1340
01:25:18,750 --> 01:25:22,680
Create, instead of forcing you
to build the SDK. Currently, the

1341
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:27,510
early design, we're in the early
alpha stage, let's just put

1342
01:25:27,510 --> 01:25:32,190
that, put that out there. And
we're working with the selected

1343
01:25:32,190 --> 01:25:37,140
design partners that are already
working and building and giving

1344
01:25:37,140 --> 01:25:41,520
us feedback on the SDK. But in
order to do that, you need to

1345
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:45,030
greenlight access, I wanted to
help Dave and spearing the need

1346
01:25:45,030 --> 01:25:50,790
to build the SDK and upload the
crate to our repo. I need to

1347
01:25:50,790 --> 01:25:52,980
check where where we are. We're
clearly

1348
01:25:52,980 --> 01:25:56,910
Adam Curry: not a partner Dave
just went on. When I did

1349
01:25:56,910 --> 01:26:00,480
partner, partner exit, we're not
good partners. Oh, I'm sorry,

1350
01:26:00,660 --> 01:26:08,010
partner, my mother and now I'm
like a Jewish woman. Okay. I

1351
01:26:08,010 --> 01:26:10,350
want to bring your attention to
something which I'm very excited

1352
01:26:10,350 --> 01:26:15,090
about, which I am sure will be
one of the first to integrate

1353
01:26:15,090 --> 01:26:18,840
this. And that's the music side
project music side. project.com.

1354
01:26:18,900 --> 01:26:23,790
Yeah. Just so you know that, you
know, we're starting to, we're

1355
01:26:23,790 --> 01:26:29,730
using a 2.0 namespace to tag
music in the in the index. This

1356
01:26:29,730 --> 01:26:32,760
is Steven B's project, who does
a curio caster and sovereign

1357
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:35,970
feeds. It's it's fantastic.

1358
01:26:36,420 --> 01:26:39,570
Unknown: I love the White Lake
are using the same Yes,

1359
01:26:39,570 --> 01:26:40,830
unification. Yeah, yeah.

1360
01:26:40,860 --> 01:26:44,730
Adam Curry: Yeah. And I think
wavelike put 100 100 artists

1361
01:26:44,730 --> 01:26:47,130
into the index. Dave, what
happened there? Exactly. Yeah,

1362
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:48,900
Dave Jones: they're Yeah,
they're letting their light in

1363
01:26:48,900 --> 01:26:50,610
their whole catalogue up as it
comes in.

1364
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:51,480
Adam Curry: It's beautiful.

1365
01:26:51,630 --> 01:26:53,850
Unknown: It's beautiful. You
agree, Adam, that in order to

1366
01:26:53,850 --> 01:26:57,210
support music, we need a
separate dedicated user

1367
01:26:57,210 --> 01:26:58,590
experience for music, right?

1368
01:26:58,620 --> 01:26:59,940
Adam Curry: Yeah. Is that what
you're building?

1369
01:27:01,830 --> 01:27:05,280
Unknown: Anyone will be able to
build it using the freezes

1370
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:06,570
decay. But that's

1371
01:27:06,570 --> 01:27:08,970
Adam Curry: what music side
project is ready for? I mean,

1372
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:13,950
it's, it's a web app right now.
But I, I'm I like web apps

1373
01:27:13,950 --> 01:27:18,690
personally. I'm okay with that.
So use it out of the box without

1374
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:20,400
any of the the wakeup stuff.

1375
01:27:21,900 --> 01:27:26,820
Unknown: If the integrated
breezes decay into their server,

1376
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:28,170
Adam Curry: sure, sure. Sure.

1377
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:30,870
Dave Jones: Yeah. Yeah, that's
what I that's what I want the

1378
01:27:30,870 --> 01:27:34,590
breeze SDK for, I want to, I
want to have use cases for it on

1379
01:27:34,590 --> 01:27:38,250
our, on our node. I mean, we do
a lot of stuff. So I want to,

1380
01:27:38,550 --> 01:27:42,210
you know, I want to get in there
and start and start using, I've

1381
01:27:42,210 --> 01:27:45,240
got, I've got ideas, and it's
mine is gonna be totally a

1382
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:49,200
server side thing. And, you
know, we don't do apps. So yeah,

1383
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:51,510
I mean, I think the server use
case to me is the most

1384
01:27:51,510 --> 01:27:53,970
straightforward right out of the
box. You just go you just hit it

1385
01:27:53,970 --> 01:27:56,160
and go. Yeah, but that doesn't

1386
01:27:56,160 --> 01:28:00,060
Unknown: mean that we're in
between NF T's or something,

1387
01:28:00,060 --> 01:28:00,270
right?

1388
01:28:00,510 --> 01:28:03,780
Adam Curry: Oh, yes. More.
ordinals please, more ordinals

1389
01:28:03,780 --> 01:28:05,790
yay. We love ordinals

1390
01:28:06,300 --> 01:28:09,120
Dave Jones: Yeah. We want to
thank some people.

1391
01:28:10,440 --> 01:28:12,660
Adam Curry: Oh, my goodness is
at that time already? Yeah, we

1392
01:28:12,660 --> 01:28:16,740
Oh, wow. Yeah, I'm going I'm all
lightning out here. Yes, of

1393
01:28:16,740 --> 01:28:20,100
course we do. Hold on a second.
Let me thank some of the people

1394
01:28:20,100 --> 01:28:23,700
who have been sending in some
booster grams while we were lips

1395
01:28:23,730 --> 01:28:28,080
and a millennial. 5432 don't
know if you've heard but I so

1396
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:32,610
bought us cotton gins baby seems
value split worthy to me. I

1397
01:28:32,610 --> 01:28:37,140
would love to use the isobar all
the time in every show. I do.

1398
01:28:37,740 --> 01:28:42,900
Let me know where I can sign up.
I love I love getting access to

1399
01:28:42,900 --> 01:28:45,720
services by adding a split in
the value block. It is one of

1400
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:50,670
the most exciting things a
podcaster could do. A nice

1401
01:28:50,940 --> 01:28:55,080
Unknown: problem by the way I
them. Like I like the amount of

1402
01:28:55,110 --> 01:28:59,550
splits that we have in podcast
index is I don't know if it's

1403
01:28:59,610 --> 01:29:00,960
good. But

1404
01:29:02,580 --> 01:29:05,250
Adam Curry: hold. You can't just
lob that out there and just say

1405
01:29:05,250 --> 01:29:07,140
I don't know if that's good.
What I'm telling me what's

1406
01:29:07,140 --> 01:29:08,190
wrong, what's happening.

1407
01:29:09,570 --> 01:29:12,570
Unknown: I think it's good for
boosts meaning how many splits

1408
01:29:12,570 --> 01:29:15,720
you have right now eight or nine
or 10 or something on this show

1409
01:29:15,780 --> 01:29:18,840
Adam Curry: on this show and the
show. It's alive. No, hold on.

1410
01:29:18,870 --> 01:29:26,280
Hold on. Hold on. We have. I'll
tell you right now. Value

1411
01:29:26,310 --> 01:29:31,680
123456. So we had eight but
after that comment, we have

1412
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:34,170
seven. We're taking you out

1413
01:29:37,980 --> 01:29:42,390
Unknown: at the edit at the app
split as well, so

1414
01:29:43,140 --> 01:29:46,290
Adam Curry: and podcasts index,
so there's 10 Probably 1010

1415
01:29:46,290 --> 01:29:50,250
Coming Yes. Now. I'm sure that's
not efficient is what you're

1416
01:29:50,250 --> 01:29:50,940
going to say.

1417
01:29:51,390 --> 01:29:55,290
Unknown: And it's okay when you
do boost for streaming sets per

1418
01:29:55,290 --> 01:29:56,760
minute, I think.

1419
01:29:57,270 --> 01:29:59,640
Adam Curry: But you're you're
caching them but you're I mean

1420
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:00,330
everyone I'm

1421
01:30:00,780 --> 01:30:03,750
Unknown: smart. That's what I
Yeah. So you have a way to work

1422
01:30:03,750 --> 01:30:07,590
around this stuff by doing like
client side cache, right? But it

1423
01:30:07,590 --> 01:30:10,830
means that you have to have
like, again, back to the Smart

1424
01:30:10,830 --> 01:30:14,130
Client problem. You need to have
a smarter client to deal with

1425
01:30:14,340 --> 01:30:14,880
issues.

1426
01:30:14,940 --> 01:30:20,460
Adam Curry: Got it? Yeah, I got
Okay. Well, luckily breezes very

1427
01:30:20,460 --> 01:30:23,640
smart about that. Right.

1428
01:30:23,700 --> 01:30:27,150
Unknown: I like them software. I
don't like soft smart software.

1429
01:30:27,390 --> 01:30:28,260
Adam Curry: Okay. Well,

1430
01:30:28,890 --> 01:30:30,270
Dave Jones: I believe I believe
that too.

1431
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:33,900
Adam Curry: I mean, I see the
problems obviously, but but Bolt

1432
01:30:33,900 --> 01:30:36,060
12 will fix all that. Just tell
me that's true.

1433
01:30:36,090 --> 01:30:39,450
Dave Jones: Well, smart, smart
software. The problem with smart

1434
01:30:39,450 --> 01:30:44,940
software is it can't ever be
smart enough. And so that you're

1435
01:30:44,940 --> 01:30:47,130
you always there's always going
to be a hole. Yeah.

1436
01:30:48,210 --> 01:30:52,320
Adam Curry: Or, or maybe it's
time to abstract that. Can we

1437
01:30:52,320 --> 01:31:00,960
have a boost class? So, so so?
Stop, okay. I'm sorry. Come on,

1438
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:04,290
man. This was a good idea. So
you know, the podcast index

1439
01:31:04,290 --> 01:31:07,320
boost class would be you me the
index, you know, a couple of

1440
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:09,750
things. We stick in there and
just one address and it splits

1441
01:31:09,750 --> 01:31:13,800
somewhere else down the line? Is
that crazy? Okay? Stopped

1442
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:17,880
blueberry. See? It's not what?

1443
01:31:18,660 --> 01:31:20,850
Unknown: It's not crazy. Dave?

1444
01:31:22,590 --> 01:31:29,880
Adam Curry: My new friend Roy's
boost class. Okay, I'm just

1445
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:33,540
saying the reason I think we
made this up with the remote

1446
01:31:33,540 --> 01:31:38,160
item. If I play a song on a new
podcast that I'm going to do,

1447
01:31:38,430 --> 01:31:42,510
and I'm playing new music from
from the index, and I want to

1448
01:31:42,510 --> 01:31:47,820
boost I want to boost that
product, which by itself may

1449
01:31:47,820 --> 01:31:50,910
have eight splits because of you
know, who wrote it, who compose

1450
01:31:50,910 --> 01:31:54,180
it, who played the guitar, who
sang, etc. That would be a boost

1451
01:31:54,180 --> 01:31:58,350
class. So I would send an amount
which would be a split of my

1452
01:31:58,350 --> 01:32:01,380
show to that class, and that
class would then split it

1453
01:32:01,500 --> 01:32:02,970
individually. Yeah,

1454
01:32:03,450 --> 01:32:05,490
Unknown: yeah. And technically I
don't want to get too geeky

1455
01:32:05,490 --> 01:32:08,730
about it, you can do that maybe
you can do that with bolt 12

1456
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:12,990
Because that will allow you both
will allow you to unlock keys

1457
01:32:12,990 --> 01:32:18,930
and there is interaction with
the with the with the pay before

1458
01:32:18,930 --> 01:32:23,340
you pay them so they can
initiate a new type of invoice

1459
01:32:23,340 --> 01:32:28,860
which is kind of similar to hold
invoice where the entity that

1460
01:32:28,860 --> 01:32:33,180
will do the splits later on.
They can take the funds but they

1461
01:32:33,180 --> 01:32:38,250
will be able to create an
invoice you send the funds to to

1462
01:32:38,250 --> 01:32:43,500
that to that entity and they can
split the funds later on. Using

1463
01:32:43,530 --> 01:32:45,360
the invoice This

1464
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:47,670
Dave Jones: is a Bitcoin bubble
study that's this is exactly

1465
01:32:47,670 --> 01:32:47,850
what

1466
01:32:47,850 --> 01:32:52,050
Adam Curry: this is. You're back
in the split. Okay. Boober

1467
01:32:52,050 --> 01:32:55,830
11,111 Cheers to IRC and the
badass is who make it the

1468
01:32:55,830 --> 01:32:58,770
hottest spot with bots on the
internet to hang Is it possible

1469
01:32:58,770 --> 01:33:02,430
to boost by IRC? I think it is
actually I think there's some

1470
01:33:02,460 --> 01:33:06,630
I'm sure something has been done
on IRC one of the oldest chat

1471
01:33:06,630 --> 01:33:12,270
mechanisms on the internet still
fantastic today, Lyceum was

1472
01:33:12,270 --> 01:33:16,410
1776. Good to hear Roy's future
plans. Liberty boost. What is

1473
01:33:16,410 --> 01:33:21,090
the acronym SDK stands for
software development kit. Best

1474
01:33:21,090 --> 01:33:24,690
premises? That's Martin Linda's
koge Tea Party media podcast.

1475
01:33:25,350 --> 01:33:31,290
Chat F with 3333 He says with
neural link you'll be able to

1476
01:33:31,290 --> 01:33:33,600
download podcasts straight to
your brain. No listening

1477
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:38,100
required. Yes, absolutely. Yes.
Yes. And the boosts will be

1478
01:33:38,100 --> 01:33:40,050
extra, extra nutritious.

1479
01:33:40,079 --> 01:33:42,509
Dave Jones: Yeah, you put the
breeze SDK into a noncustodial

1480
01:33:42,509 --> 01:33:43,199
ready brain

1481
01:33:44,310 --> 01:33:47,040
Adam Curry: 15,000 from Matt
madeiros. Thank you Matt. Always

1482
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:51,510
be closing Dave like check out
the podcast. setup.com Douche

1483
01:33:51,510 --> 01:33:56,730
mode activated two times speed.
His brain is so fried and we

1484
01:33:56,730 --> 01:33:58,020
don't even know what you're
talking about.

1485
01:34:00,180 --> 01:34:01,470
Dave Jones: Just word salad. It

1486
01:34:02,369 --> 01:34:04,889
Adam Curry: happens. That's what
happens to you. Chat F another

1487
01:34:04,889 --> 01:34:08,909
3333 We are experiencing the
death of Fiat podcasting. Yes,

1488
01:34:08,909 --> 01:34:14,039
we are exactly what's going on.
I like PF FP See ya fiyat

1489
01:34:14,039 --> 01:34:20,459
podcasting, the Fiat industrial
podcast complex. With another

1490
01:34:20,459 --> 01:34:23,009
one while doing my V for V
reports. I tried listening to

1491
01:34:23,009 --> 01:34:27,569
the donation sections at 1.25x
and couldn't even do it. Yes,

1492
01:34:27,839 --> 01:34:32,909
Chad has taken upon Himself to a
document how much we receive in

1493
01:34:32,909 --> 01:34:37,139
value for value and Fiat and on
each basically the whole podcast

1494
01:34:37,199 --> 01:34:41,339
index podcast and 2.0 project,
which is interesting. I hope

1495
01:34:41,339 --> 01:34:44,789
he's going to charge it because
I'm not quite sure middle

1496
01:34:44,790 --> 01:34:48,090
Dave Jones: name is is Chad
Excel fair. And that's right,

1497
01:34:48,810 --> 01:34:54,210
Adam Curry: sir Spencer 42,069
SATs Laureen and I would like to

1498
01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:56,880
thank you by the way, I'd like
to invite the board and all

1499
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:59,970
interested parties out in the
promoting stuff to our upcoming

1500
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:03,660
bowls with buds featuring the
legendary podsafe Dave Dave

1501
01:35:03,660 --> 01:35:10,290
Jones this Sunday Live Live Live
Sunday after no agenda. This

1502
01:35:10,290 --> 01:35:13,410
week was the one year
anniversary of live items debut,

1503
01:35:13,620 --> 01:35:16,740
which took place the last time
Dave was on That's right.

1504
01:35:17,310 --> 01:35:21,240
February 20 2022. That was the
and that was just two days

1505
01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:26,070
before the Ukraine war. Yeah. So
we'll be talking live items

1506
01:35:26,070 --> 01:35:29,760
first year in retrospect and
where we go next go live go

1507
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:36,900
podcast. Go podcast a lot of
good boots today Lyceum super

1508
01:35:36,900 --> 01:35:43,950
row of ducks. 22,222 ducks in a
row. Congrats on the new domain

1509
01:35:43,950 --> 01:35:47,520
name pot. Yes, podcast.
apps.com. That is again. Martin

1510
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:54,840
Interscope. Blueberry back. I
7777 says you're not even my

1511
01:35:54,840 --> 01:36:00,480
real dad. Do we talk I guess it
goes back to the beginning of

1512
01:36:00,480 --> 01:36:06,570
the show. Eric p p Thank you got
your mail Eric p p 33,333.

1513
01:36:06,570 --> 01:36:10,380
pillow for podcasting. That's
for for Roy with his pillow fort

1514
01:36:10,380 --> 01:36:15,750
built up around this his setup.
Blueberry, boost the groove with

1515
01:36:15,750 --> 01:36:24,630
another 3333 and let's see we
have tone wrecker. 20202 Nice

1516
01:36:24,630 --> 01:36:29,340
20,202 music projects on value
for value are ripping along

1517
01:36:29,340 --> 01:36:32,550
seeing more artists testing the
waters each week need to work

1518
01:36:32,550 --> 01:36:34,980
with Steven B to get some
artists released or catalog

1519
01:36:34,980 --> 01:36:38,580
filter with a cap on so I don't
overrun what is displaying in

1520
01:36:38,580 --> 01:36:42,180
initial feed on the music side
project site. Just excited to

1521
01:36:42,180 --> 01:36:45,600
test and learn not dominate over
additional artists appearing in

1522
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:50,130
pages. Not sure again, do stop
loosened at normal speed. We

1523
01:36:50,130 --> 01:36:51,300
can't understand what you're
saying.

1524
01:36:53,460 --> 01:36:55,200
Dave Jones: He's flat. He's
flooding his own.

1525
01:36:56,940 --> 01:37:03,780
Adam Curry: Shop and Oh, Todd
Cochran 150,020,

1526
01:37:03,780 --> 01:37:06,000
Unknown: his blades on the
Impala.

1527
01:37:06,030 --> 01:37:08,370
Adam Curry: He says big thank
you to the fountain team and

1528
01:37:08,370 --> 01:37:12,060
getting their app demo video
out. Oh, do we miss a demo

1529
01:37:12,060 --> 01:37:17,040
video? Wow, that's fine. That
pure listener and podcasts are

1530
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:21,210
marketing videos like this are
needed. Indeed. apps need to be

1531
01:37:21,210 --> 01:37:25,530
promoting hosting companies need
to be promoting we that's not

1532
01:37:25,530 --> 01:37:30,030
what we do. Clearly. Also,
People's Choice Podcast Awards.

1533
01:37:30,030 --> 01:37:33,720
Registration is open be nice to
honor a stack of podcasting 2.0

1534
01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:37,410
podcast it would be indeed,
although I get my awards, right

1535
01:37:37,410 --> 01:37:41,040
online, where it shows that
we're the top earner. That's the

1536
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:46,290
awards for me every week. Hey,
we're on top again. At podcast

1537
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:50,040
awards.com There you go. We have
our round two blueberry

1538
01:37:50,070 --> 01:37:54,360
blueberry stack of new features
planned for the GUI meeting next

1539
01:37:54,360 --> 01:37:58,050
week. Let's keep the ball
rolling, go podcasting podcast a

1540
01:37:58,590 --> 01:38:03,660
nice, thank you very, very much
Todd, that Todd man. job will be

1541
01:38:03,660 --> 01:38:06,780
the one to implement my idea. By
the way, give people a wallet,

1542
01:38:06,810 --> 01:38:10,320
get that get that breeze SDK
integrated right into your stack

1543
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:14,310
there. So you don't have to do
anything but call a one API call

1544
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:19,680
and and insert yourself into the
ever growing list of splits. And

1545
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:22,050
just take that take 20% right
off the top of your free

1546
01:38:22,050 --> 01:38:26,490
account. Free Account. Go ahead.
But you have to do 2.0

1547
01:38:27,270 --> 01:38:29,100
Dave Jones: And I'm always
surprised at the people like

1548
01:38:29,100 --> 01:38:32,010
Dave, Dave Weiner this week said
podcasting. 2.0 is a terrible

1549
01:38:32,010 --> 01:38:33,120
name. The guy

1550
01:38:33,180 --> 01:38:37,890
Adam Curry: the guy who the guy
who used RSS 2.0 Please give me

1551
01:38:37,890 --> 01:38:38,550
a break.

1552
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:42,030
Dave Jones: At least I'm always
stunned at the people who are

1553
01:38:42,030 --> 01:38:45,390
shocked that about our lack of
marketing skills and like this,

1554
01:38:45,420 --> 01:38:48,570
you should you should know this
by now. Well, this is not what

1555
01:38:48,570 --> 01:38:49,200
we do. I can

1556
01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:53,130
Adam Curry: tell you Dave
whiners. Head is is crooked, and

1557
01:38:53,130 --> 01:38:57,210
it's very much in the Leo
Laporte arena. Because when he

1558
01:38:57,210 --> 01:39:00,120
says I know how he thinks, and
this is why we don't get along.

1559
01:39:00,330 --> 01:39:02,820
You think Oh, Adam is trying to
capture something for himself

1560
01:39:02,820 --> 01:39:06,330
called a podcasting. 2.0 In
fact, I am on record literally

1561
01:39:06,330 --> 01:39:09,030
saying podcasting. 2.0 is just
podcasting.

1562
01:39:09,480 --> 01:39:12,480
Dave Jones: Yes, you have said
this 1000 times Yeah, and you

1563
01:39:12,480 --> 01:39:14,940
gotta call it something you
can't call it roast beef. I

1564
01:39:14,940 --> 01:39:17,430
mean, we gotta call it something
so I mean, just grab something

1565
01:39:17,430 --> 01:39:18,990
out of the air or whatever.

1566
01:39:19,020 --> 01:39:22,110
Adam Curry: It's it's a double
edged sword sword you know, I

1567
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:26,460
guess it's I'm I'm slipping like
a mofo. It's so it's so bad.

1568
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:30,210
Dave Jones: It's only been a
week. Let me rescue you.

1569
01:39:31,590 --> 01:39:34,500
Adam Curry: Just I just need to.
If I push the bottom lip, see if

1570
01:39:34,500 --> 01:39:38,760
I push press the lip against my
decrepit hole between the

1571
01:39:38,790 --> 01:39:44,190
temporary teeth and my gums.
It's gone. What tape? I'm gonna

1572
01:39:44,190 --> 01:39:46,320
go have some scotch tape. Paula,
you'd start reading those. We'll

1573
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:46,830
be right back.

1574
01:39:47,610 --> 01:39:53,340
Dave Jones: Marco $500 Marco
Arment. Thank you very much

1575
01:39:53,670 --> 01:39:58,770
comes in every month and we're
hopefully doing a project with

1576
01:39:58,770 --> 01:40:03,630
Dan Benjamin's So Marco was
gracious enough to give Dan some

1577
01:40:04,170 --> 01:40:08,250
feature that he needed in his in
his APS were market market and

1578
01:40:08,250 --> 01:40:11,790
very much appreciated in this.
Hopefully we'll get some 2.0

1579
01:40:11,790 --> 01:40:20,730
stuff Adam soon. Buzzsprout also
500 dollars.com 20

1580
01:40:20,940 --> 01:40:23,070
Unknown: blades on I am Paula. I

1581
01:40:23,070 --> 01:40:25,230
Adam Curry: just heard that as I
was coming back, hold on, let me

1582
01:40:25,230 --> 01:40:27,930
just Yes. Hold on. Hold on. Hold
on. Hold on

1583
01:40:32,790 --> 01:40:34,170
Dave Jones: You take the bottom
lip.

1584
01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:39,240
Adam Curry: Yeah. Yeah, let me
see. I'm taping it. Oh, this put

1585
01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:43,800
one under my lip here. Tighter.
Yeah, later. Okay. Now it

1586
01:40:43,980 --> 01:40:52,050
doesn't work. And it hurts. And
thank you, Marco. I just was

1587
01:40:52,050 --> 01:40:54,720
walking out to get the tape. I
heard Marco. Thank you so much

1588
01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:55,200
Marco.

1589
01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:58,530
Dave Jones: And the boys from
Buzzsprout we appreciate them

1590
01:40:58,530 --> 01:41:02,580
every month and they if they get
stuff coming to so we're

1591
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:04,530
Adam Curry: What do you mean
they got us off? Come they got

1592
01:41:04,530 --> 01:41:05,760
new stuff coming up. The kids

1593
01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:06,840
Dave Jones: keep telling you
what they got.

1594
01:41:08,220 --> 01:41:10,680
Adam Curry: We got secrets now.
Okay. All right. Yes. I'm

1595
01:41:10,680 --> 01:41:11,370
Dave Jones: Tom told me.

1596
01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:16,140
Adam Curry: Roy. Roy, let's not
tape tell Dave about that thing.

1597
01:41:16,140 --> 01:41:16,590
Okay.

1598
01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:23,700
Dave Jones: Fine. Yeah, fine.
No, no, you don't need another

1599
01:41:23,700 --> 01:41:26,730
paper. You don't just I'm just
gonna read it. I'm just gonna

1600
01:41:26,730 --> 01:41:29,130
tell you the Joshua Hoover gave
us $150

1601
01:41:29,160 --> 01:41:30,150
Adam Curry: Holy crap.

1602
01:41:31,980 --> 01:41:35,880
Unknown: Shot call those blades
on him. Paulo is

1603
01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:37,140
Adam Curry: this post,

1604
01:41:37,380 --> 01:41:40,290
Dave Jones: Joshua Hoover from
the podcast index dot social.

1605
01:41:40,290 --> 01:41:42,420
He's working on some. He's
working on some stuff. And I

1606
01:41:42,420 --> 01:41:44,070
helped him this week with some
API.

1607
01:41:45,420 --> 01:41:47,730
Adam Curry: That's nice. Thank
you very much is me. He says

1608
01:41:47,730 --> 01:41:49,800
Dave Jones: Keep up the great
work. Adam and Dave. And we

1609
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:54,780
will. Yes, thank you, Josh.
Appreciate it. We got some Mr.

1610
01:41:54,780 --> 01:41:58,290
Graham's we'll see when we
scroll to the top of my booster

1611
01:41:58,290 --> 01:42:02,310
grant. Oh, here we go. How was
writes in us a reset as Angela

1612
01:42:02,310 --> 01:42:06,450
Richards 1111 He says I saw the
live tag on pod verse and I felt

1613
01:42:06,450 --> 01:42:11,010
compelled to boost Yes, that's
how it works boost. Absurd event

1614
01:42:11,580 --> 01:42:17,670
since it's 100,000 sets and he
says hey ho and go podcasting

1615
01:42:18,030 --> 01:42:24,060
Adam Curry: podcast. I should
probably mention last week right

1616
01:42:24,540 --> 01:42:30,540
now someone midweek on the on
chain. Tally coin. Dred Scott

1617
01:42:30,570 --> 01:42:32,160
80,000 SATs.

1618
01:42:32,550 --> 01:42:35,370
Dave Jones: No, the only guy the
only guy who really

1619
01:42:35,640 --> 01:42:38,610
Adam Curry: the only person who
ever uses an on chain donation.

1620
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:40,890
Just goes to show

1621
01:42:41,310 --> 01:42:44,370
Dave Jones: he went old school
in the middle of a mempool

1622
01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:47,820
hurricane to you probably paid
fees for that. And he's

1623
01:42:47,820 --> 01:42:51,720
Adam Curry: like, Honey Badger
just He don't care. She doesn't

1624
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:52,080
care you.

1625
01:42:53,490 --> 01:42:55,320
Dave Jones: Thank you obsidian
for those 100,000 says

1626
01:42:55,320 --> 01:43:00,150
appreciate that so much. Hard
Hat 101 A one. there Curio,

1627
01:43:00,150 --> 01:43:04,500
Catherine no note thank you.
I've had chat F 3333 Is this

1628
01:43:04,500 --> 01:43:07,170
beef milkshake ain't right is a
phrase I never want to hear

1629
01:43:07,170 --> 01:43:12,030
again. booths. I'm telling you
when I was just a big chunk

1630
01:43:14,580 --> 01:43:18,810
Adam Curry: to eat it was so
nasty. Yeah, a big chunk in your

1631
01:43:18,810 --> 01:43:20,970
milkshake. It's just also wrong.

1632
01:43:21,690 --> 01:43:25,470
Dave Jones: Melissa texted me a
second ago and said beef, beef

1633
01:43:25,470 --> 01:43:28,380
bugs on the front porch. So I'm
good to go after the show.

1634
01:43:28,380 --> 01:43:31,320
Adam Curry: We can see another
Yeah, nice. Yep.

1635
01:43:32,010 --> 01:43:34,560
Dave Jones: A nine of woodland
Shire. Oh, that's a beautiful

1636
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:39,690
name a nun of woodland Shire?
99,950 SAS through pod verse.

1637
01:43:39,900 --> 01:43:44,280
Wow says he or she says I think
I just purchased Bitcoin for the

1638
01:43:44,280 --> 01:43:47,250
first time to participate in the
V for V. I hope I did this

1639
01:43:47,250 --> 01:43:51,450
right? Isn't the amount very
little or am I being cheap? Cat

1640
01:43:51,720 --> 01:43:54,840
Adam Curry: 99,000 That's just a
little. Um, you know what? I'm

1641
01:43:54,840 --> 01:44:00,750
gonna throw in a couple of stats
and give you 20 blades on the

1642
01:44:00,750 --> 01:44:04,410
hem Paula? Yeah, we don't have a
set sound I guess.

1643
01:44:04,770 --> 01:44:06,780
Dave Jones: We don't eat on it's
like the penny drill. Yeah, we

1644
01:44:06,780 --> 01:44:10,470
don't have Penny. No. When you
look at digital digitized

1645
01:44:10,470 --> 01:44:17,880
version of whatever. There it
is. Yeah, thank you anon of

1646
01:44:17,880 --> 01:44:22,500
woodland show. Macintosh 2121
through fountain. He says I love

1647
01:44:22,500 --> 01:44:25,560
the idea of a searchable index
of transcripts. Index of the

1648
01:44:25,560 --> 01:44:28,710
data isn't hard. It's the
putting together of meaningful

1649
01:44:28,710 --> 01:44:32,010
complex searches. But I would
personally use it multiple times

1650
01:44:32,010 --> 01:44:35,610
a week if it happened to be
available. Anyways, we can dream

1651
01:44:35,610 --> 01:44:38,100
right? Go podcasting, Macintosh.

1652
01:44:40,350 --> 01:44:44,250
Adam Curry: Big up to the same
Steven B. Once again, transcript

1653
01:44:44,280 --> 01:44:49,620
transcript DAST search dot
versal dot app. It's in the show

1654
01:44:49,620 --> 01:44:54,150
notes. He has created a very
basic transcript search which I

1655
01:44:54,150 --> 01:44:59,490
have used five times this week
already. This is so genius I

1656
01:44:59,490 --> 01:45:03,030
mean that You have to tell you
can search the directory now. So

1657
01:45:03,030 --> 01:45:08,760
oh wow, podcasting. 2.0 you
typed that in and then it gives

1658
01:45:08,760 --> 01:45:11,730
you okay, you select the
podcast, and then you want to

1659
01:45:11,730 --> 01:45:16,800
search for a term, but search
for douche. And oh actually

1660
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:20,550
12345 but a whole bunch of
episodes where we use the term

1661
01:45:20,550 --> 01:45:24,450
do show Oh my goodness. And you
can click on it and then it

1662
01:45:24,450 --> 01:45:28,350
shows you it shows you the whole
rundown and then you can

1663
01:45:28,350 --> 01:45:33,090
actually click on the click on
the time and it gives you the

1664
01:45:33,090 --> 01:45:40,470
audio or hearing this message
that's how fast it goes. I mean,

1665
01:45:40,470 --> 01:45:44,100
that is phenomenal. It needs a
domain name. I'm gonna I'm gonna

1666
01:45:44,130 --> 01:45:48,570
buy a domain name for your
Stevens. I love this. He has a

1667
01:45:48,810 --> 01:45:52,470
you know, he asked for
transcript search tool for for

1668
01:45:52,470 --> 01:45:56,550
some support. I would put you my
you should lock this down to

1669
01:45:56,550 --> 01:46:00,660
only people who put you in their
split split number 14 for my

1670
01:46:00,660 --> 01:46:01,680
podcast now.

1671
01:46:02,070 --> 01:46:05,880
Unknown: Yeah, I wonder out this
trust free software will deal

1672
01:46:05,880 --> 01:46:09,510
with my Israeli accent. I think
the software

1673
01:46:09,930 --> 01:46:13,020
Adam Curry: you know, while it's
only as good as the transcripts,

1674
01:46:13,050 --> 01:46:18,420
I mean, I guess because I have I
do transcripts interesting. I

1675
01:46:18,420 --> 01:46:22,440
don't know. I don't know it does
pretty well with stuff like

1676
01:46:22,440 --> 01:46:22,770
that.

1677
01:46:23,430 --> 01:46:26,910
Dave Jones: When you said when
you said my ass a while ago, it

1678
01:46:26,910 --> 01:46:29,940
picked that up pretty quick. It
was it was on top of the game.

1679
01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:38,160
Yeah. Nailed though. Let's see
we got gene been 4096 cents.

1680
01:46:38,160 --> 01:46:42,300
That's a that's a 4k killer
boost is what that is found. He

1681
01:46:42,300 --> 01:46:45,630
says the female hackers are just
smart enough not to get caught.

1682
01:46:45,870 --> 01:46:51,960
That's right. That's right. Man,
Macintosh again. 2121. No note

1683
01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:55,860
thank you Macintosh. Big row of
ducks. 22 To 23rd from Gene

1684
01:46:55,860 --> 01:46:58,320
bein. He says Matt props to
Nathan for what he's done with

1685
01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:01,650
steno.fm. It's really
impressive. I particularly love

1686
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:04,260
the way the transcripts are
presented and that trailers are

1687
01:47:04,260 --> 01:47:07,680
presented prominently. Also,
seeing my show volunteer

1688
01:47:07,680 --> 01:47:11,040
technologist in the trending
list is pretty cool. Oh, nice.

1689
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:13,350
All right. Excellent. I didn't I
didn't know he did that show.

1690
01:47:13,350 --> 01:47:13,560
That's

1691
01:47:13,590 --> 01:47:18,270
Adam Curry: for some reason. Our
art. Transcripts don't show up.

1692
01:47:19,410 --> 01:47:22,560
In what? In stinner. Yeah.

1693
01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:25,020
Dave Jones: I don't know why. I
wonder if it's a browser bugs.

1694
01:47:25,740 --> 01:47:28,800
Adam Curry: Oh, it may be cores
issue.

1695
01:47:29,670 --> 01:47:31,740
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. Yeah, some
of you. He's fighting that

1696
01:47:31,740 --> 01:47:36,120
battle a lot. Yeah. And browser,
you know, mere mortals podcast

1697
01:47:36,120 --> 01:47:39,540
or buddy? chyron over there.
2222. He says, geez, so many

1698
01:47:39,540 --> 01:47:42,300
waking up to glory jokes. I
don't even know where to start.

1699
01:47:44,190 --> 01:47:47,910
Adam Curry: Streaming. Exactly.

1700
01:47:49,020 --> 01:47:53,010
Dave Jones: Kalil 9999. Through
fountain he says about the

1701
01:47:53,010 --> 01:47:56,010
search, would it be possible to
create some sort of pod rank by

1702
01:47:56,010 --> 01:47:58,740
scanning transcripts for
mentions of other podcasts?

1703
01:47:58,920 --> 01:48:02,460
Probably AI needed or something
anyways, go podcasting. My first

1704
01:48:02,460 --> 01:48:07,440
boost was love Khalil go. I
could give you some sort of

1705
01:48:07,440 --> 01:48:11,490
like, you know, Link, incoming
link type reference. Yeah, I

1706
01:48:11,490 --> 01:48:13,470
could see that. I liked

1707
01:48:13,500 --> 01:48:16,230
Adam Curry: I just like, I would
like to know, well, that's kind

1708
01:48:16,230 --> 01:48:22,920
of like the activity feed that
fountain house. If I see that

1709
01:48:22,920 --> 01:48:26,640
you if I see my friend has
boosted a podcast with you know,

1710
01:48:26,640 --> 01:48:30,600
50,000 sites, I'm going to be
interested. Yeah, that kind of

1711
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:33,960
correlations. What really? What
really, I love that. I love

1712
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:34,260
seeing.

1713
01:48:34,350 --> 01:48:37,200
Unknown: I'll just say again,
that I think this needs to be

1714
01:48:37,230 --> 01:48:39,720
podcast index API, the activity.

1715
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:44,490
Dave Jones: The activity feed.
Yeah.

1716
01:48:44,699 --> 01:48:46,769
Adam Curry: Well, how do we do
that? We don't have that

1717
01:48:46,769 --> 01:48:47,429
information.

1718
01:48:47,460 --> 01:48:50,430
Dave Jones: I'll do it. Yeah, we
do, though we have the boost for

1719
01:48:50,850 --> 01:48:52,980
not for anything, because it's
voluntary lines

1720
01:48:52,980 --> 01:48:55,920
Unknown: need to push the
information and then the needs

1721
01:48:55,920 --> 01:49:00,030
to be indexed by the index and
have like a unified API for all

1722
01:49:00,030 --> 01:49:00,630
the clients

1723
01:49:01,140 --> 01:49:03,780
Adam Curry: that being that as a
road of argument.

1724
01:49:05,580 --> 01:49:11,760
Dave Jones: Yeah, well, slewed,
33 333. He says, Dave, I want to

1725
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:14,550
give you a tip that I learned
from the Andrew Huberman

1726
01:49:14,550 --> 01:49:17,430
podcast, if you add a little bit
of caffeine into your beef

1727
01:49:17,430 --> 01:49:19,620
milkshake, it would actually
increase the flavor profile

1728
01:49:19,620 --> 01:49:22,890
subconsciously, in forming
addiction, but in a good way, go

1729
01:49:22,890 --> 01:49:23,550
podcasting

1730
01:49:25,020 --> 01:49:28,980
Adam Curry: podcast, I'm just
struck by was Roy said, so and

1731
01:49:28,980 --> 01:49:33,060
what you said. So we could
basically since we, if if, if

1732
01:49:33,060 --> 01:49:36,990
people are supporting the index,
when they use the API, we can

1733
01:49:36,990 --> 01:49:42,630
see which podcasts receive what
which amount of boosts or money.

1734
01:49:43,080 --> 01:49:45,870
In fact, we could do bike
transactions by boot. We didn't

1735
01:49:45,870 --> 01:49:47,970
wouldn't have to do it by
amount, but we could do it by

1736
01:49:47,970 --> 01:49:50,130
number of booths, number of
transactions.

1737
01:49:51,210 --> 01:49:54,960
Dave Jones: Yeah, and that's,
that's part of what I'm thinking

1738
01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:59,040
for the breeze SDK is I'd like
to have some separate function

1739
01:49:59,040 --> 01:49:59,520
for that.

1740
01:49:59,550 --> 01:50:03,150
Adam Curry: Yeah. I agree
because doing it on that doing

1741
01:50:03,150 --> 01:50:05,130
on the big voltage node is
scary.

1742
01:50:05,730 --> 01:50:10,980
Dave Jones: Yeah, do you know
ROI that we had when we export

1743
01:50:10,980 --> 01:50:15,270
it, we had to export all the
transactions for our taxes. And

1744
01:50:15,450 --> 01:50:22,320
we have almost 6 million
transactions on the note. Only 6

1745
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:24,720
Adam Curry: million it doesn't
fit in an Excel and I can

1746
01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:25,980
Unknown: say that because I'm a
Jew.

1747
01:50:29,430 --> 01:50:33,030
Dave Jones: Yes, we have let me
rephrase that we only have 6

1748
01:50:33,030 --> 01:50:36,630
million right into the guy who
probably has 47 billion

1749
01:50:36,630 --> 01:50:39,570
transactions in your in your
across your node fleet.

1750
01:50:39,600 --> 01:50:42,240
Adam Curry: Hey, Dave, I'm
putting that high in my in the

1751
01:50:42,240 --> 01:50:46,170
top of my brain what you just
said the I love this idea. I

1752
01:50:46,170 --> 01:50:46,620
love

1753
01:50:46,710 --> 01:50:48,900
Dave Jones: it. I really do this
morning about who so we need

1754
01:50:48,900 --> 01:50:53,520
some stats pages, you know that
sort of give that? I love that?

1755
01:50:53,550 --> 01:50:56,340
Yes. Because I was reading that
article and it was like, it was

1756
01:50:56,340 --> 01:50:58,920
like noster zaps. noster zaps.
Oh yeah. And there's this

1757
01:50:58,920 --> 01:50:59,760
podcasting tip when

1758
01:51:01,740 --> 01:51:04,710
Adam Curry: tipping has
increased with podcasts. It's

1759
01:51:04,710 --> 01:51:10,170
like no, okay, I'm putting this
high on my on my on my scale of

1760
01:51:10,170 --> 01:51:13,290
things. I'd love to see yes,
that would be the best marketing

1761
01:51:13,290 --> 01:51:15,720
ever and just make it available
for anybody. Just take a look.

1762
01:51:15,750 --> 01:51:18,480
Oh, here's what's going on. I
love it.

1763
01:51:18,510 --> 01:51:22,770
Dave Jones: We'll do it Jean
been 4096 He says glad y'all are

1764
01:51:22,770 --> 01:51:25,470
continuing to run with scissors
I'm really excited by cross app

1765
01:51:25,470 --> 01:51:32,940
contents me too. I am robot
since 10,004 sets it says

1766
01:51:32,940 --> 01:51:36,480
informative informative and
educational. Always adding these

1767
01:51:36,510 --> 01:51:40,110
tool sets to my toolbox five by
five in the pipe

1768
01:51:40,140 --> 01:51:43,050
Unknown: Yeah, we love that
boost boost boost

1769
01:51:43,740 --> 01:51:48,420
Dave Jones: 6969 from a citizen
to pod verse and he says thank

1770
01:51:48,420 --> 01:51:51,090
you too for all that you do
raise his fist at the ordinals

1771
01:51:51,090 --> 01:51:53,670
people get off my chain boost

1772
01:51:54,720 --> 01:51:56,040
Adam Curry: Get off my chain

1773
01:51:57,780 --> 01:52:02,880
Dave Jones: 2222 from Captain
Egghead he says go podcasting go

1774
01:52:02,880 --> 01:52:10,620
podcast 500 SATs but this is a
nice note this is my first boost

1775
01:52:10,620 --> 01:52:13,650
I came here after listening to
Bitcoin review and the episode

1776
01:52:13,650 --> 01:52:17,100
with Adam. You told me to come
listen to this so boom here I am

1777
01:52:17,100 --> 01:52:17,520
Baby

1778
01:52:17,580 --> 01:52:19,470
Adam Curry: All right welcome to
the party Powell

1779
01:52:20,190 --> 01:52:24,390
Dave Jones: How you doing
booster for logs and 26,000 SATs

1780
01:52:24,840 --> 01:52:27,420
it's an honor to watch this
project grow Thank you

1781
01:52:27,510 --> 01:52:29,580
Adam Curry: no thank you thank
you for supporting it that's

1782
01:52:29,580 --> 01:52:30,870
exactly how it works.

1783
01:52:31,680 --> 01:52:39,270
Dave Jones: I'm some guy named
Roy since 54,321 54321 sets

1784
01:52:39,450 --> 01:52:43,380
through breeze of course. And he
just says podcast index.org

1785
01:52:43,740 --> 01:52:47,460
That's right Don't just post
it's not a very creative note

1786
01:52:47,460 --> 01:52:47,820
ROI

1787
01:52:48,390 --> 01:52:50,490
Unknown: I mean what do you
think I put it in there I don't

1788
01:52:50,490 --> 01:52:52,530
know that's think you ever

1789
01:52:53,430 --> 01:52:55,740
Adam Curry: sometime you send
say something nice

1790
01:52:56,280 --> 01:52:59,310
Dave Jones: you could you didn't
have enough in house alcohol

1791
01:52:59,310 --> 01:53:03,000
that night. More dreams like
drunk ROI that's

1792
01:53:03,990 --> 01:53:08,250
Adam Curry: the best ROI yeah
and isn't it time isn't must be

1793
01:53:08,250 --> 01:53:10,710
pretty close for you to start
hitting the bottle ROI

1794
01:53:12,330 --> 01:53:14,040
Unknown: my butler results with
the champagne

1795
01:53:17,970 --> 01:53:22,470
Dave Jones: Chris last from
Jupiter because Fisher's 188,000

1796
01:53:22,470 --> 01:53:23,010
sads

1797
01:53:23,040 --> 01:53:24,690
Adam Curry: Whoa,

1798
01:53:24,930 --> 01:53:27,630
Unknown: shot caller 20 blades
on

1799
01:53:28,050 --> 01:53:29,760
Adam Curry: oh nice thank you

1800
01:53:30,090 --> 01:53:33,570
Dave Jones: through the podcast
index website another gift. Me

1801
01:53:33,570 --> 01:53:37,320
Yes beautiful. Message says
Jupiter broadcasting just passed

1802
01:53:37,320 --> 01:53:40,590
a year accepting boosts. It's
been amazing and we're all in

1803
01:53:40,590 --> 01:53:42,570
testing lit video and audio.

1804
01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:48,030
Adam Curry: Oh man, those guys I
love them. So tipping is up at

1805
01:53:48,030 --> 01:53:52,770
8000 tipping is up yeah, that's
not a tip people touch value.

1806
01:53:53,190 --> 01:53:55,440
Dave Jones: I get the feels
you've been going through hell

1807
01:53:55,440 --> 01:53:57,960
and back with that mouth of
yours recently. I feel you

1808
01:53:57,960 --> 01:54:00,450
brother in respect the stiff
upper lip approach you've been

1809
01:54:00,450 --> 01:54:03,150
taking on air? I hope you're
doing all right and you're in

1810
01:54:03,150 --> 01:54:04,380
our thoughts go podcast.

1811
01:54:04,409 --> 01:54:08,009
Adam Curry: Oh, thank you, man.
I appreciate the podcast. It's

1812
01:54:08,849 --> 01:54:14,009
well, I was I was just I was
just thinking the other day yes

1813
01:54:14,009 --> 01:54:17,879
it's a pain in the ass and I you
know they can't keep up with

1814
01:54:17,879 --> 01:54:21,749
fixing stuff so the soliciting
changes because of the multiple

1815
01:54:21,749 --> 01:54:25,499
procedures but considering I had
out what I thought were

1816
01:54:25,499 --> 01:54:29,519
allergies for 10 years those are
gone. I no longer use my hearing

1817
01:54:29,519 --> 01:54:33,479
aids. I've got a three for one.
I'm truly blessed with this. I

1818
01:54:33,479 --> 01:54:36,659
can deal with this listing for a
couple more months we'll I mean,

1819
01:54:36,689 --> 01:54:39,809
I have been so fortunate with
doing all this

1820
01:54:39,930 --> 01:54:42,390
Dave Jones: cool neutering eight
things is crazy. The hearing

1821
01:54:42,390 --> 01:54:43,350
aids thing is nuts

1822
01:54:43,380 --> 01:54:45,990
Adam Curry: have not had them in
for weeks at this point.

1823
01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:49,860
Dave Jones: I can't even I don't
even understand

1824
01:54:50,130 --> 01:54:53,640
Adam Curry: well because my my
sinuses were being you know

1825
01:54:53,640 --> 01:54:56,310
there was an infection there so
they were always in you know,

1826
01:54:56,310 --> 01:54:59,910
it's like your your tubes you
know your your your your hearing

1827
01:54:59,910 --> 01:55:02,670
it was connected to all the
other sinuses and all the tubes

1828
01:55:02,670 --> 01:55:06,630
and it was just gunky in there.
I guess I'm you know, pissing

1829
01:55:06,630 --> 01:55:08,220
green oozing slime

1830
01:55:09,990 --> 01:55:15,870
Dave Jones: for another comic
strip blogger Darius 3015. He

1831
01:55:15,870 --> 01:55:19,680
says, howdy, David, Adam. It CSB
with a special message for all

1832
01:55:19,680 --> 01:55:23,760
you gringos out there. Now,
Greg, I know you Amir, you don't

1833
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:26,010
Adam Curry: that's racist comics
or Blogger blogger we're just

1834
01:55:26,010 --> 01:55:27,180
saying that's racist man.

1835
01:55:27,540 --> 01:55:29,820
Dave Jones: The place too far
away from Mexico. He doesn't

1836
01:55:29,820 --> 01:55:33,210
understand. Now. I know you
Americans like your podcasts

1837
01:55:33,210 --> 01:55:36,660
like you'd like your burgers,
big bold in juicy. And that's

1838
01:55:36,660 --> 01:55:40,710
why I'm here to recommend a real
sizzler for your ears. Ai dot

1839
01:55:40,710 --> 01:55:43,320
cooking with our very own
Gregory William Forsythe

1840
01:55:43,320 --> 01:55:47,070
foreman. So don't be a chump on
Bray, head on over to AI dot

1841
01:55:47,070 --> 01:55:49,530
cooking and give it a listen.
Yo, CSB.

1842
01:55:50,010 --> 01:55:54,030
Adam Curry: CSB is so funny. And
he's always about ai, ai cooking

1843
01:55:54,030 --> 01:55:57,090
machine learning AI, the
singularity is coming. And they

1844
01:55:57,090 --> 01:56:00,540
say, Hey, you know, I'd really
love some kind of engine that

1845
01:56:00,540 --> 01:56:03,390
looks at the transcripts and you
know, and makes recommendations.

1846
01:56:03,390 --> 01:56:04,380
It was something really simple

1847
01:56:04,380 --> 01:56:06,930
Dave Jones: like search in
August when I'm not busy

1848
01:56:06,960 --> 01:56:12,930
Adam Curry: now. He says, oh,
not profitable project. Okay,

1849
01:56:12,990 --> 01:56:17,100
all right, fine. Fine. That's
all good. And Steven B came in

1850
01:56:17,100 --> 01:56:17,970
and fix it for me.

1851
01:56:18,960 --> 01:56:23,520
Dave Jones: monthlies are
partners limited $5 Paul air

1852
01:56:23,520 --> 01:56:29,700
skin $11.14 Charles current $5
Michael Gert Gagan $5 James

1853
01:56:29,700 --> 01:56:34,860
Sullivan $10, Christopher Raymer
$10 Corning Glass Buck $5 Sean

1854
01:56:34,860 --> 01:56:38,820
McCune $20 and Jordan Dunnville
sin dollars,

1855
01:56:38,850 --> 01:56:41,700
Adam Curry: thank you all very
much for supporting podcasting.

1856
01:56:41,700 --> 01:56:45,660
2.0 you're supporting the
project, you're supporting the

1857
01:56:45,660 --> 01:56:47,790
infrastructure, you're really
supporting everything and the

1858
01:56:47,790 --> 01:56:52,830
future, your future proofing
podcasting 2.0 the index. As

1859
01:56:52,860 --> 01:56:56,130
everything stays within the node
for liquidity, everything is

1860
01:56:56,130 --> 01:56:59,340
being built up so that if we
fall down, we just need to have

1861
01:56:59,340 --> 01:57:03,030
an automatic payment thing set
up with with Linode. You know,

1862
01:57:03,030 --> 01:57:07,260
so just put it like a, like a
dead man's switch just starts,

1863
01:57:07,260 --> 01:57:10,860
you know, kicks in and starts
paying for everything. So thank

1864
01:57:10,860 --> 01:57:13,440
you, we appreciate that you can
do it in multiple ways. The best

1865
01:57:13,440 --> 01:57:17,310
way is go to podcast apps.com
Get one of those modern podcast

1866
01:57:17,310 --> 01:57:20,880
apps that you can boost with we
love the booster grams. Of

1867
01:57:20,880 --> 01:57:23,460
course if you want to use your
Fiat fun coupons, podcast

1868
01:57:23,460 --> 01:57:26,730
index.org. At the bottom, you've
got the big red donate button,

1869
01:57:26,730 --> 01:57:30,870
you can use PayPal for that or
on chain, which is now dred

1870
01:57:30,870 --> 01:57:34,590
Scott's personal payment portal.
But you can join him there in

1871
01:57:35,460 --> 01:57:39,090
and be part of the on chain
rebel to get on his chain if you

1872
01:57:39,090 --> 01:57:43,410
want to. So thank you all very,
very much. It is wonderful to

1873
01:57:43,410 --> 01:57:47,490
see everything taken off like
this. And then of course value

1874
01:57:47,490 --> 01:57:51,210
for value dot info to learn more
about the concept and it is

1875
01:57:51,210 --> 01:57:54,330
time, talent and treasure. So
everything anyone is doing is

1876
01:57:54,330 --> 01:57:56,760
helping and moving things
forward. And we appreciate it.

1877
01:57:59,130 --> 01:58:04,050
With that, let's see. Reuters
you have anything else you'd

1878
01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:07,890
like you want to talk about
before we let you get off to

1879
01:58:07,890 --> 01:58:12,420
your pure weekend festivities of
champagne caviar, etc.

1880
01:58:13,500 --> 01:58:15,990
Unknown: Okay, since we the only
time that we get to talk is

1881
01:58:15,990 --> 01:58:17,040
during your podcast.

1882
01:58:17,100 --> 01:58:18,930
Adam Curry: Oh, man. Oh,

1883
01:58:18,960 --> 01:58:20,040
Dave Jones: man. The guilt.

1884
01:58:21,510 --> 01:58:23,880
Adam Curry: There's the Jew
guilting. Us? Yes. Okay.

1885
01:58:24,329 --> 01:58:30,209
Dave Jones: Yeah, now you sound
like my mom. I gotta get back to

1886
01:58:30,209 --> 01:58:32,699
work. We gotta we gotta we gotta
chop it. We gotta chop,

1887
01:58:32,880 --> 01:58:34,320
Adam Curry: chop and drop. I do
want to

1888
01:58:34,500 --> 01:58:38,010
Unknown: hook you up with SDK
stuff. Dave, don't worry about

1889
01:58:38,010 --> 01:58:39,150
it. And thank you. Thank

1890
01:58:39,150 --> 01:58:41,910
Dave Jones: you. Thank you. I'm
done to get into that. Yeah,

1891
01:58:42,060 --> 01:58:44,310
Adam Curry: Roy, we really
appreciate all you've done to

1892
01:58:44,310 --> 01:58:47,580
support us, besides just you
know, absolutely being there.

1893
01:58:48,360 --> 01:58:52,200
For any questions or insights
into the industry. I think, you

1894
01:58:52,200 --> 01:58:55,260
know, I'll call you more often.
I'm sorry, it's completely my

1895
01:58:55,260 --> 01:59:00,960
fault. I was just knowing I was
having had surgery. I expected

1896
01:59:00,960 --> 01:59:02,820
you to show me as you can soup
with chicken.

1897
01:59:03,030 --> 01:59:05,790
Unknown: I just wanted to say
like, I miss you. And that's

1898
01:59:05,790 --> 01:59:09,210
what I'm trying to convey. I
know, I know. I'm doing it with

1899
01:59:09,210 --> 01:59:11,520
you my own like passive
aggressive way, but

1900
01:59:11,550 --> 01:59:17,100
Adam Curry: it's appreciated.
Quick reminder, pod bean is

1901
01:59:17,130 --> 01:59:20,370
going to be using the 2.0
namespace for transcripts. We

1902
01:59:20,370 --> 01:59:24,450
appreciate that I'm sure Todd
Todd had something to do with

1903
01:59:24,450 --> 01:59:29,730
that now that he's over there.
Rob, Rob Greenlee and, and

1904
01:59:30,300 --> 01:59:32,970
Dave Jones: for those years
s.com also rolled out the TX T

1905
01:59:32,970 --> 01:59:33,300
tag.

1906
01:59:33,749 --> 01:59:36,929
Adam Curry: Oh, beautiful. And
reminder and remind your

1907
01:59:36,929 --> 01:59:40,079
listeners if you're a podcaster.
You can export your

1908
01:59:40,079 --> 01:59:44,249
subscriptions and import them
into any good app. And I think

1909
01:59:44,249 --> 01:59:47,609
all of our apps do that. People
always questioning how do I get

1910
01:59:47,609 --> 01:59:52,259
my subscriptions Export Export
OPML export podcast. Promote

1911
01:59:52,259 --> 01:59:58,619
that as much as you can. Roy we
look forward to you know the SDK

1912
01:59:58,829 --> 02:00:01,499
to rolling that out you just
gave us some great ideas. I

1913
02:00:01,499 --> 02:00:04,859
liked the recommendation, or the
ranking or whatever we're going

1914
02:00:04,859 --> 02:00:09,359
to call it. And thank you for
being a real strong supporter of

1915
02:00:09,389 --> 02:00:12,599
the project with the websites,
too. We'd really appreciate it.

1916
02:00:12,899 --> 02:00:13,289
Yeah.

1917
02:00:13,530 --> 02:00:16,320
Unknown: Thank you guys. Thank
you for exposing me to the

1918
02:00:16,320 --> 02:00:17,910
wonderful world of podcasts.

1919
02:00:17,940 --> 02:00:19,740
Adam Curry: Yes. And one of
these days we'll get you to

1920
02:00:19,740 --> 02:00:24,360
listen to more than just one.
There's a lot out there you

1921
02:00:24,360 --> 02:00:26,160
might enjoy the other way. Why?

1922
02:00:27,600 --> 02:00:28,920
Unknown: I like listening to
your rent.

1923
02:00:29,970 --> 02:00:32,040
Adam Curry: Just listen to this
half of a podcast because that's

1924
02:00:32,040 --> 02:00:36,690
twice the speed. All right.
Great weekend, Roy. Have a great

1925
02:00:36,690 --> 02:00:39,480
weekend. Chat Room. Have a great
weekend. We'll talk to you next

1926
02:00:39,480 --> 02:00:41,490
week podcasting 2.0

1927
02:00:57,090 --> 02:01:01,680
Unknown: you been listening to
podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast

1928
02:01:01,680 --> 02:01:04,230
index.org for more information.

1929
02:01:06,150 --> 02:01:08,340
Censorship resist in my ass