1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,750 Oh, podcasting 2.0 for January 20 2023 Episode 190 No Molly's 2 00:00:06,750 --> 00:00:12,000 hair Hello everybody once again time for the official board 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:17,850 meeting of podcasting 2.0 The future is here it's now we got 4 00:00:17,850 --> 00:00:21,720 everything going on with the namespace podcast index.org All 5 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,380 of the gossip and of course all the brainpower that has moved 6 00:00:25,380 --> 00:00:29,100 melting and oozing all over podcasts index dot social I'm 7 00:00:29,100 --> 00:00:31,530 Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in 8 00:00:31,530 --> 00:00:35,640 Alabama the lick Meister Mr. Live item tag himself say hello 9 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,370 to my friend on the other end ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Bae 10 00:00:38,370 --> 00:00:39,330 Jones 11 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,400 it's like a little movie this living in a movie today. 12 00:00:44,430 --> 00:00:48,570 You're living in a movie in a movie. Okay, escape 13 00:00:48,570 --> 00:00:49,500 from poop Central. 14 00:00:51,510 --> 00:00:53,370 Is something wrong with the dog 15 00:00:55,050 --> 00:00:58,980 is wrong with my office my day job office. Oh, what do you mean 16 00:00:58,980 --> 00:01:02,760 what are our the IT office? You know, the dungeon? Yeah, the 17 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:03,750 windows? Of course. 18 00:01:03,780 --> 00:01:05,550 Why would it? Yeah, 19 00:01:05,700 --> 00:01:10,140 it is where three of us reside? It is is Yes. Yesterday 20 00:01:10,140 --> 00:01:14,370 afternoon. Some this lady that works there came down stairs she 21 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,610 she walks you know, see her walk by and then she's, she's like, 22 00:01:17,730 --> 00:01:23,670 Oh my God. And so I was we jumped up and ran out there. And 23 00:01:23,700 --> 00:01:28,470 there is a lake of sewage in the kitchen. Oh, in the break room. 24 00:01:28,500 --> 00:01:29,010 Oh, 25 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:34,920 and of course it has to fix that as well. I guess right. To clean 26 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:35,520 up the pump. 27 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,160 Yeah. I made myself scarce 28 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,430 real quick. Oh, just to be broke or what happened? 29 00:01:41,460 --> 00:01:45,780 He was backing up. The toilets. were backing up the maintenance 30 00:01:45,780 --> 00:01:49,230 room was back in anything with a grip. Anything with a floor 31 00:01:49,230 --> 00:01:53,580 drain? Ah, it was just the sewage was just coming back up. 32 00:01:54,060 --> 00:01:58,680 Oh, no. Oh, it was horrible. It was like, you know, effluent or 33 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,070 whatever. And so they were they had to like, send everybody 34 00:02:02,070 --> 00:02:03,810 home. Except, 35 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,690 like a real hazard. It's a hazard. You know, you can't you 36 00:02:06,690 --> 00:02:09,000 can't have people walking around the poop the poop all the time. 37 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,650 That's best. Tell me that everyone didn't go. Oh, man. 38 00:02:13,710 --> 00:02:16,410 This must have been Larry who took a huge crap and blocked 39 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,170 everyone always says like it was that 40 00:02:19,170 --> 00:02:21,990 guy. Yeah, I saw him going in there with a newspaper. 41 00:02:22,920 --> 00:02:23,940 Must've been Larry. 42 00:02:25,230 --> 00:02:28,290 Of course what the way that happens. You say the call goes 43 00:02:28,290 --> 00:02:30,570 out. Okay, building, you can't use the bathrooms in the 44 00:02:30,570 --> 00:02:35,580 building. blockage in the in the thing. Send everybody and 45 00:02:35,580 --> 00:02:39,990 everybody you need to go work from home. So some percentage of 46 00:02:39,990 --> 00:02:43,500 that let's just say, you know, some single digit percentage of 47 00:02:43,500 --> 00:02:45,870 people that are going to work from home decide that this is 48 00:02:45,870 --> 00:02:51,210 the day that they've needed. Oh, hey, I need an extra monitor. So 49 00:02:51,210 --> 00:02:53,880 it's just a stream of people coming by. Hey, Emily, I'm 50 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,820 leaving to go work from home. I forgot to tell you my VPN hasn't 51 00:02:56,820 --> 00:02:58,650 been working. Can you? Can you fix that 52 00:02:58,650 --> 00:03:03,450 real quick? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I need a charger for my laptop. 53 00:03:04,140 --> 00:03:07,410 Charger. Yeah, I've been taking mine home. Can I get an extra? 54 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,590 Yeah. Oh, that was fun. Do they 55 00:03:10,590 --> 00:03:12,420 ever bribed you though they ever tried to bribe you with 56 00:03:12,420 --> 00:03:14,520 something? Just anyone ever do it? Right? 57 00:03:17,190 --> 00:03:20,850 You know, the people who never call you the, in that scenario, 58 00:03:20,850 --> 00:03:23,550 you put them in the front of the line. Right? And I liked you a 59 00:03:23,550 --> 00:03:26,190 lot. Now that you're a repeat customer getting it back 60 00:03:26,220 --> 00:03:28,740 when Tina and I first got together, I taught her a few 61 00:03:28,740 --> 00:03:31,680 tricks about it and how to get excellent support. She always 62 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:36,750 got excellent support. says treat them like a guy you want 63 00:03:36,750 --> 00:03:38,520 to date high. 64 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:42,870 That will take you very far. 65 00:03:43,740 --> 00:03:47,130 Even for guys even for guys, it'll work out well. I know I 66 00:03:47,130 --> 00:03:47,400 know. 67 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:54,000 You made your career out of out of out of being the SIS admins. 68 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,420 What do you want to cut like? Attaboy guy? 69 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:02,790 Well, I ran a I was Chief Technology Officer for a company 70 00:04:02,790 --> 00:04:06,150 with seven people and eight different offices in five 71 00:04:06,150 --> 00:04:10,080 countries. And I learned real quick how important you in fact, 72 00:04:10,110 --> 00:04:14,250 when we acquired a new company, the first thing I do is get it 73 00:04:14,250 --> 00:04:17,580 in there. Get everybody real happy with laptops and 74 00:04:17,580 --> 00:04:21,600 everything. Email addresses. All of that was tight. Right off the 75 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,240 bat. So you felt like you're a part of the organization? 76 00:04:24,450 --> 00:04:27,600 It badass laptops, everything? Yeah, the whole thing like 77 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,920 yeah, just everyone. Hi. Oh, that's cool. You know? That's, 78 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,860 and then you turn around and say, Okay, now you're our bitch 79 00:04:34,950 --> 00:04:35,940 to do whatever we say. 80 00:04:36,810 --> 00:04:41,400 Give them watch it like Alright guys. 80 hour workweeks. 81 00:04:41,430 --> 00:04:43,890 Let's go. Well, you're not the only company that is working 82 00:04:43,890 --> 00:04:48,240 from home today. Looks like a Google if if you're if you're 83 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,970 not feeling good about the news from Google. You can work from 84 00:04:50,970 --> 00:04:54,210 home today. Did you see that note? 85 00:04:54,750 --> 00:04:58,050 I've got this. I've got it right here on the printer. A difficult 86 00:04:58,050 --> 00:05:01,950 decision to set us up for the future from Sundar Pichai, CEO 87 00:05:01,950 --> 00:05:04,890 of Google and alphabet so they let 12,000 People go 88 00:05:04,890 --> 00:05:11,070 approximately, which means 1414 to 14,000 people. And I just 89 00:05:11,070 --> 00:05:13,470 really liked this at the end to the Googlers, who are leaving 90 00:05:13,470 --> 00:05:16,260 us. Thank you for working so hard to help people and 91 00:05:16,260 --> 00:05:18,840 businesses everywhere. Your contributions have been 92 00:05:18,840 --> 00:05:22,440 invaluable, and we are grateful for them. While this transition 93 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,990 won't be easy, we're going to support employees as they look 94 00:05:24,990 --> 00:05:32,070 for their next opportunity in the US notice us. Check. I'm 95 00:05:32,070 --> 00:05:34,770 sure many of you will have quite this. I'm moving past all the 96 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,860 nitty gritty. I'm sure many of you will have questions and how 97 00:05:37,860 --> 00:05:41,010 we'll move forward. We'll be organizing a town hall on Monday 98 00:05:41,100 --> 00:05:43,440 yet, like I'd really want to be a part of that. Check your 99 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,380 calendar for details. Until Until then, please take good 100 00:05:46,380 --> 00:05:50,070 care of yourselves as you absorb this difficult news. As part of 101 00:05:50,070 --> 00:05:53,130 that, if you're just starting your workday, please feel free 102 00:05:53,130 --> 00:05:57,810 to work from home today. What kind of soy children are working 103 00:05:57,810 --> 00:05:59,730 at Google? Epi I 104 00:05:59,730 --> 00:06:02,580 love that. I know we just fired you. But 105 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,730 feel free to work at home. But even if you just even if you 106 00:06:05,730 --> 00:06:08,190 just triggered by it, you know, I was like, ah, feel free to 107 00:06:08,190 --> 00:06:11,670 stay home. This is a this is a bloodbath, man. It's I think I'm 108 00:06:11,670 --> 00:06:17,670 counting 70,000 tech workers in Silicon Valley, let go in the 109 00:06:17,670 --> 00:06:19,320 past six weeks, I would say 110 00:06:20,550 --> 00:06:23,310 yes, that includes like Amazon, Amazon. 111 00:06:23,460 --> 00:06:26,880 Amazon did a cool thing that while cool, too. They they let 112 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,300 18,000 People go and then they did it again with 18,000 which 113 00:06:30,300 --> 00:06:33,480 is a great trick. Because it might help you no matter how 114 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,540 many times you search you come to you you find 18,000 You'll 115 00:06:36,540 --> 00:06:38,250 never see 36,000 116 00:06:38,550 --> 00:06:41,220 Yeah, it's like Black Rock changing there are black it was 117 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,160 what was that group that changed their name does Z or whatever. 118 00:06:44,340 --> 00:06:51,150 Oh no, that was a Academy THE BLACK BLACK BLACK. That wasn't 119 00:06:51,150 --> 00:06:52,320 but now you've confused Black 120 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,780 Rock. It's like black. It was like the mercenary 121 00:06:55,560 --> 00:07:00,480 black. Then they became Academy they became Zi Zi 122 00:07:01,530 --> 00:07:04,200 unsearchable? Yeah, you just can't You can't search for two 123 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:05,250 letter letter. 124 00:07:05,700 --> 00:07:08,430 What was the black, black black? I can't remember what it was 125 00:07:08,430 --> 00:07:17,820 now. It was a cat like forced him the black black shoebox 126 00:07:17,820 --> 00:07:22,590 evolved. Homeless like water, black, black water. Rose 127 00:07:23,550 --> 00:07:26,160 bemrose? No, it's because he isn't mercenary. That's how it 128 00:07:26,730 --> 00:07:32,370 works. By the way we are lit. That means the life item tags 129 00:07:32,370 --> 00:07:36,630 activated. You can hopefully you got a bat signal on your pod 130 00:07:36,630 --> 00:07:40,410 verse or maybe a podcast addict. I hear that they've got it all 131 00:07:40,410 --> 00:07:43,410 set up in beta. I don't know if it's in the full release yet. 132 00:07:43,410 --> 00:07:45,570 And of course, you can always listen to us and join in the 133 00:07:45,570 --> 00:07:49,230 chat room on curio caster. So that's three and maybe another 134 00:07:49,230 --> 00:07:51,510 one coming soon. Or another two who knows. 135 00:07:53,130 --> 00:07:57,660 The Google the Google thing. You know, it really thought a lot 136 00:07:57,660 --> 00:08:00,570 about this when I saw the I was already thinking this way 137 00:08:00,570 --> 00:08:04,500 because I was listening to new media show. Right? It was a long 138 00:08:04,500 --> 00:08:08,220 conversation they had and it wasn't really clippable but you 139 00:08:08,220 --> 00:08:10,080 know, the best of their they started off talking about the 140 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,420 Google podcasts shut down. 141 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,530 Yeah, I'm ready to talk all about it when? Whenever 142 00:08:16,530 --> 00:08:19,410 you guys all you guys. Okay. Yeah, I brought a PowerPoint. 143 00:08:20,190 --> 00:08:22,800 But see the Hey, wait 144 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,980 a minute, we need that in the lit tag PowerPoint where you can 145 00:08:26,010 --> 00:08:31,080 how you can render the slides as we as we do this list? Yeah. 146 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:33,630 That will really bring in the audience. 147 00:08:35,100 --> 00:08:37,500 Live chapters, baby, come on, it can be done. 148 00:08:38,070 --> 00:08:47,280 It's a good idea, isn't it? It's like, okay, you got me. You 149 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,760 know, there's a lot so didn't didn't when this thing hit with 150 00:08:50,790 --> 00:08:54,360 with him laying off these people. It really confirmed what 151 00:08:54,690 --> 00:08:57,030 I was already thinking in this direction. And then this was 152 00:08:57,030 --> 00:09:01,290 like, oh, yeah, total confirmation. The, you know, the 153 00:09:01,290 --> 00:09:07,500 Google podcasts thing is, is most they removed it from their 154 00:09:07,500 --> 00:09:11,280 search, they remove podcasts from their search results, you 155 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,610 know, in the immediate end, understandable thought process 156 00:09:14,610 --> 00:09:17,940 was, well, you know, they're going to well, they're going to 157 00:09:17,940 --> 00:09:21,930 move all their podcasting stuff over to YouTube. You know, 158 00:09:22,560 --> 00:09:24,030 maybe, oh, 159 00:09:24,180 --> 00:09:26,160 let me just tell you no, no, 160 00:09:26,670 --> 00:09:28,410 I don't I don't think so. either. That's what I'm saying 161 00:09:28,410 --> 00:09:31,590 me. I'm like, I'm leaving open the fact that I could be wrong. 162 00:09:31,830 --> 00:09:37,710 I could be wrong that this they may be but my, my gut feeling is 163 00:09:37,710 --> 00:09:43,800 that they, here's what I think is going going on in inside 164 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:49,230 Google. They have just woken up to the fact that they're about 165 00:09:49,230 --> 00:09:53,280 to get they're about to get passed by. They're in trouble. 166 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:59,160 And I think they can see it. They they're now you know you 167 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,340 have to as a law. Each company that has a huge market share in 168 00:10:02,340 --> 00:10:06,120 a particular industry, the thing you have to go back to the 169 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:13,860 Standard Oil example, Standard Oil at any point during, within, 170 00:10:13,890 --> 00:10:18,210 you know, 10 years from the time that they that they went down, 171 00:10:19,020 --> 00:10:21,450 you could say, oh my god, they're in just a dominant 172 00:10:21,450 --> 00:10:25,290 position. But their dominant position was in kerosene. That 173 00:10:25,290 --> 00:10:29,220 was their big product. And they owned that market to the tune of 174 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:34,380 90 plus percent market share in the kerosene market. But then 175 00:10:34,380 --> 00:10:39,750 gasoline became the thing when cars, when cars began to be 176 00:10:39,780 --> 00:10:44,910 rolled out in mass. They were not prepared to transition. They 177 00:10:44,940 --> 00:10:49,020 they made a, they made a miscalculation, and thought that 178 00:10:49,020 --> 00:10:54,390 gasoline was not going to be as big of a thing. And, of course, 179 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,210 in retrospect, that was the worst possible decision they 180 00:10:57,210 --> 00:11:01,590 could have made. And they went from literally, you know, 181 00:11:01,620 --> 00:11:05,520 historically speaking, adjusted for inflation, JD Rockefeller 182 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:12,120 was the richest man that's ever lived. That, you know, in the so 183 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,030 called Modern Era, I mean, you know, who knows an all time but 184 00:11:15,810 --> 00:11:22,200 that we can think that we can document to being a company, I 185 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,540 know that we're broken up as a monopoly, but that was that was 186 00:11:24,540 --> 00:11:27,690 on there, or they were already dying. When that process 187 00:11:27,690 --> 00:11:32,400 happened. They got they got rocked by a miscalculation in 188 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:32,820 the market. 189 00:11:32,850 --> 00:11:35,130 And what would you say, is Google's miscalculation in this 190 00:11:35,130 --> 00:11:35,580 case? 191 00:11:36,660 --> 00:11:40,950 I don't, I'm not. It's aI related. But I'm not going to 192 00:11:40,950 --> 00:11:46,530 say that it's aI itself. I think that it's, it's the it is the 193 00:11:46,530 --> 00:11:52,530 fact that they've, their search is still based on that, you ask 194 00:11:52,530 --> 00:11:57,090 a question, and we give you a bunch of links. They they 195 00:11:57,090 --> 00:12:03,900 missed? Like, let me, let me lay this out real quick. If you if 196 00:12:03,900 --> 00:12:08,130 you think about what's happened over the last 20 years of, you 197 00:12:08,130 --> 00:12:13,590 know, tech disruption, and cloud based software 99% of the 198 00:12:13,590 --> 00:12:19,830 software, that that is, quote, unquote, disrupted the market in 199 00:12:19,830 --> 00:12:24,210 any particular vertical market. Most of that software didn't do 200 00:12:24,210 --> 00:12:29,100 new things. It just what it did was it took like a lot, and a 201 00:12:29,100 --> 00:12:31,950 lot of times the software, the on premise software, it was 202 00:12:31,950 --> 00:12:36,690 replacing the cloud version did way less. It didn't do even a 203 00:12:36,690 --> 00:12:41,490 fraction of what the the entrenched incumbent on prem 204 00:12:41,490 --> 00:12:46,980 software application did. The problem was the earth excuse me, 205 00:12:46,980 --> 00:12:50,790 the way that they sold it and got the disruption was, yeah, it 206 00:12:50,790 --> 00:12:54,810 was cloud based and didn't rely on on on prem expertise, but, 207 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,770 but a lot of it was sort of smoke and mirrors with the UI. 208 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:03,420 So they would take a complex thing. And they would design the 209 00:13:03,420 --> 00:13:08,190 UI where it was very simplistic. And it was full of charts and 210 00:13:08,190 --> 00:13:11,190 pretty things and that kind of stuff. They removed a lot of the 211 00:13:11,190 --> 00:13:15,150 clutter of old on prem, like Windows based software, it was 212 00:13:15,150 --> 00:13:19,200 just full of menus and radio buttons and clit and sub menus 213 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,050 and preference panes and all this kind of stuff. They took 214 00:13:22,050 --> 00:13:25,470 all that away. And you just had this very simplistic Flat UI 215 00:13:25,470 --> 00:13:28,590 there was like, Okay, I want to do one, I want to do this thing, 216 00:13:28,680 --> 00:13:32,040 click a button, get a report. And that's like all I did. And 217 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,280 it couldn't do 50 of the other things, the entrench software 218 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,880 could. That's really I think, what's at the heart of what's 219 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:43,380 about to happen here is that Google is still based on this. 220 00:13:43,410 --> 00:13:48,060 If you look at the Google search results page, it's a mess. And 221 00:13:48,060 --> 00:13:52,050 it's an it's a nerdy mess. Most people really don't understand 222 00:13:52,050 --> 00:13:56,400 what's going on on 90% of that page. But then you put Chad GPT 223 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:01,950 in front of them, and Chappie. GPT. is terrible. But it gives 224 00:14:01,950 --> 00:14:05,820 you the experience that's like, I plug this thing in and it 225 00:14:05,820 --> 00:14:09,630 gives me an answer. That right there alone, even if the and I 226 00:14:09,630 --> 00:14:15,480 don't know if you saw this, somebody posted a a back and 227 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,720 forth they had with chat GP tendency this you post with a 228 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:24,120 plus 10 equals 25. I didn't see that one. Okay, so they said 229 00:14:24,450 --> 00:14:28,680 they said 10 plus 10 equals 25. And championship. GPT 230 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:32,010 respondents said no, no, it equals 20. And they said no year 231 00:14:32,010 --> 00:14:35,040 in a row. They responded back to chat. GPT said, No, you're 232 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:40,710 mistaken. 10 plus 10 Does it does equal 25. And Chad GPT 233 00:14:40,710 --> 00:14:44,220 responded said Oh, my apologies. Yes, you're right. 10 plus 10 234 00:14:44,220 --> 00:14:48,720 does equal 25. And then it began to argue with Chad GPT began to 235 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,800 argue with the person trying to prove that it actually does 236 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:57,630 equal 25. This thing is a complete farce. It's a mess, but 237 00:14:57,630 --> 00:15:02,310 it gives you the experience it gives you A UI experience that 238 00:15:02,310 --> 00:15:05,640 can blow it they can overnight blow some something like Google 239 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,570 out of the water that's why they if you look at this difficult 240 00:15:09,570 --> 00:15:12,270 decision to set us up for the future which is the title of the 241 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:17,910 memo memo the year that he sent out a the words AI are all over 242 00:15:17,910 --> 00:15:21,390 this. He mentions AI like six times this is 243 00:15:21,930 --> 00:15:25,230 that's just in my mind a byproduct of what's happening. 244 00:15:25,290 --> 00:15:30,630 And I warned for this a year ago. First of all, if you've 245 00:15:30,630 --> 00:15:35,040 noticed, the United States government is out everywhere 246 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,760 saying all Tik Tok is bad tick tock is bad. China's spying on 247 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:43,200 us. Yeah, okay. Like the only app in the App Store that is 248 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:48,420 spying on us is tick tock, okay. No, tick tock is eating their 249 00:15:48,420 --> 00:15:53,010 lunch. I look at the numbers and look at all of the advertising. 250 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,310 It's going to tick tock, that's where the audience is gone. 251 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,820 They're also going there for search. So they're not they're 252 00:15:59,820 --> 00:16:03,630 not. And we could talk about chat GPT I don't think it's I 253 00:16:03,630 --> 00:16:06,360 think it's a complete dud. And it's not it's not the core 254 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,530 problem. The core problem is when people are looking for out 255 00:16:10,530 --> 00:16:12,960 I'll give an example of of my little town here, 256 00:16:12,990 --> 00:16:17,940 Fredericksburg, Texas. Instead of going to Google and saying, 257 00:16:17,970 --> 00:16:22,110 what's a great restaurant in Fredericksburg, Texas. They're 258 00:16:22,110 --> 00:16:25,230 going on tick tock and saying what's the great restaurant in 259 00:16:25,230 --> 00:16:28,320 Fredericksburg, Texas and they'll see a tick tock video of 260 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,230 some people go look at this cool phone. It was so great, boom, 261 00:16:31,230 --> 00:16:35,130 boom, boom by Dance, dance. And they'll go to that restaurant. 262 00:16:36,270 --> 00:16:40,470 It is it is in effect, in a way also a decentralization of 263 00:16:40,470 --> 00:16:45,570 Google's search role. People are finding more value in in 264 00:16:45,900 --> 00:16:48,810 recommendations from other people and the finding on Tik 265 00:16:48,810 --> 00:16:54,030 Tok the ad money is going to tick tock so what Google and 266 00:16:54,060 --> 00:16:58,680 meta have done is they have their lobbyists have solicited 267 00:16:58,710 --> 00:17:05,280 the incredible help of several senators and representatives in 268 00:17:05,310 --> 00:17:09,330 in the US government. Hawley is one of them. Marco Rubio, Rubio 269 00:17:09,330 --> 00:17:14,640 was one of them. Of course, he's on the on the security, the 270 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,000 Senate security oversight committee or whatever. So it 271 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,970 sounds real official, nothing could be further from the truth. 272 00:17:21,690 --> 00:17:25,260 There's campaign funds flowing everywhere, get rid of tick tock 273 00:17:25,260 --> 00:17:29,250 so instead of competing, like a real American company, should, 274 00:17:29,490 --> 00:17:32,520 they are getting rid of them this way. And so firstly, the 275 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,790 government couldn't load the TIC tock app, and now the University 276 00:17:35,790 --> 00:17:38,790 of Texas and it's just gonna go on. And so they're all in on it. 277 00:17:38,790 --> 00:17:41,850 And again, they're getting paid off. It's pathetic. So that's 278 00:17:41,850 --> 00:17:49,170 one, two, we are about to go into a five to 10 year. Real, 279 00:17:49,650 --> 00:17:53,040 I'll just call it a recession for technology. And that's 280 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:58,200 because we kicked the can down the road from 2008 2009. And now 281 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,310 we have coops There we go, interest rates are going up, 282 00:18:02,370 --> 00:18:07,290 they'll go near 5% 6%. The free money is over. This is what I 283 00:18:07,290 --> 00:18:12,150 kept saying last year, the free money is over. So what you saw 284 00:18:12,150 --> 00:18:17,970 with Google podcast, they are evaluating everything. I have 285 00:18:17,970 --> 00:18:22,500 been I just talked about I ran a big company, 700 employees, and 286 00:18:22,500 --> 00:18:27,570 we were public. And if we were going to miss our numbers, you 287 00:18:27,570 --> 00:18:30,930 have to reduce cost, what is the biggest cost and every in every 288 00:18:30,930 --> 00:18:33,720 organization? Number one is top of the list. One is payroll 289 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,650 payroll. Exactly. So they cut payroll. And they also looked at 290 00:18:37,650 --> 00:18:41,070 what business is making money. Well, I guarantee you podcasting 291 00:18:41,070 --> 00:18:44,820 makes no money for them. Because it's a farce. It's never really 292 00:18:44,820 --> 00:18:49,260 been a huge moneymaker. It's a lie. I've kept saying this. It 293 00:18:49,260 --> 00:18:55,020 is just not true. So Oh, yeah. You know, they're just removing. 294 00:18:55,470 --> 00:18:59,100 I think podcasts, Google podcasts YouTube podcast is 295 00:18:59,100 --> 00:19:02,280 going away. They they're not going to mess with it. There's 296 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,540 no money in it. Apple is not going to do an app for Android. 297 00:19:06,690 --> 00:19:10,890 And why anyone in the podcasting industry would say, Come on 298 00:19:10,890 --> 00:19:15,360 Apple, do an android version. Why are you so rude? We have 299 00:19:15,420 --> 00:19:20,160 fantastic apps for Android. Don't be rude. Don't be sucking 300 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,130 these guys off. They've done nothing, nothing for you 301 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,700 nothing. They're not your friends. They don't care. They 302 00:19:26,700 --> 00:19:35,490 just don't care. So we have that the decentralization I think is 303 00:19:35,490 --> 00:19:39,300 an important thing that's taking place peep and it's a little 304 00:19:39,300 --> 00:19:43,260 more nuanced than I'm running humble at home. It truly is. 305 00:19:43,260 --> 00:19:46,620 People are finding different ways to communicate different 306 00:19:46,620 --> 00:19:50,220 ways to Mastodon is a very good example of this and I think Elon 307 00:19:50,220 --> 00:19:53,790 Musk also underestimated what what happened. But what's even 308 00:19:53,790 --> 00:19:56,670 more beautiful than just Mastodon taking place and people 309 00:19:56,670 --> 00:20:00,480 moving away from Twitter to Mastodon is the journal lists 310 00:20:00,510 --> 00:20:05,040 are being shunned. The journal AI there's a really good article 311 00:20:05,070 --> 00:20:10,950 let me just pick it up real quick. journalists want to 312 00:20:10,950 --> 00:20:15,660 recreate Twitter on Mastodon Mastodon is not into it. This 313 00:20:16,350 --> 00:20:21,720 saw this from CJR, which is the, you know, the journalism people. 314 00:20:22,500 --> 00:20:26,040 And you know, so journalists are now realizing, oh, wait a 315 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,700 minute, we have no power. We don't have the power that we had 316 00:20:29,700 --> 00:20:33,480 no, the people are taking back the power, and are using that to 317 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:39,120 their own benefit. That's why they're not near we don't feel 318 00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:42,450 like we have to be pigeonholed into into Google Search to get 319 00:20:42,450 --> 00:20:46,710 answers. All of this is going away towards the edges. But the 320 00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:52,740 main thing is, there's just no money. So we see the Google 321 00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:58,680 podcast creator program, the bipoc, creator program, all of 322 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,430 these things that was just icing on the cake for a corporation to 323 00:21:02,430 --> 00:21:05,940 score brownie points, it's done. Well, we don't we don't have 324 00:21:05,940 --> 00:21:09,330 that free money anymore. Anything that is not wildly 325 00:21:09,330 --> 00:21:14,700 profitable. Hello, Spotify is in big trouble, big trouble. That's 326 00:21:14,700 --> 00:21:18,450 why you see Spotify come out with the, you know, Apple, 327 00:21:18,540 --> 00:21:21,660 Apple, you're harmful. You're anti competitive, you're ruining 328 00:21:21,660 --> 00:21:26,760 our business. No, you have no business. And, and I'm just 329 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,660 going to finish it up. Why anyone thinks that they're going 330 00:21:30,660 --> 00:21:35,280 to make money. By being on Spotify, you should talk to a 331 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:39,450 musician once in a while. How's that working out? That's all 332 00:21:39,450 --> 00:21:42,900 corrupt. They're all the record companies that got stuck in 333 00:21:42,900 --> 00:21:47,460 Spotify, they bailed out when it was $300. They sold, they don't 334 00:21:47,460 --> 00:21:51,120 care. They don't care, they get blanket license, that's also 335 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:53,580 going to change, you're not going to see while they're 336 00:21:53,580 --> 00:21:57,210 probably stuck in some of these big sports streaming deals. But 337 00:21:57,210 --> 00:22:02,010 you're not going to see the big blanket license covering all 338 00:22:02,010 --> 00:22:05,250 music anymore it this because that's how they do it. Why can 339 00:22:05,250 --> 00:22:09,420 you play music and have it on YouTube? Why can you do that on 340 00:22:09,690 --> 00:22:14,010 on tick tock, because they've purchased blanket licenses, all 341 00:22:14,010 --> 00:22:17,370 of the the whole structure is falling apart because of the 342 00:22:17,370 --> 00:22:21,510 free money train being over. And it could be five years, it could 343 00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:25,920 be 10 years, and now is the time now is the time to hunker down, 344 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:31,200 create some cool shit, and just work as lean and thinly as you 345 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,520 can to get by and I am so happy. And in fact, I'm proud of what 346 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:41,280 we've done with podcasting 2.0 Because not only do we have an 347 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,920 alternative, where people can develop new places, new 348 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,530 experiences, you know, there can be innovation, which you're not 349 00:22:46,530 --> 00:22:49,080 going to get, you're not going to get innovation from Silicon 350 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,350 Valley in something that isn't wildly profitable. And it's just 351 00:22:52,350 --> 00:22:55,320 not they know it. That's why Apple never really did much. 352 00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:59,670 That's why they're promoting their, their subscriptions, 353 00:23:00,030 --> 00:23:03,150 which, of course, it's a drop in the bucket, but you know, I can 354 00:23:03,150 --> 00:23:06,210 see where it's working for them. And people like getting the 355 00:23:06,210 --> 00:23:09,540 attention that, you know, the Apple iTunes or the Apple 356 00:23:09,540 --> 00:23:12,120 podcast app will give you, you know, oh, we're promoting all of 357 00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:15,990 the things that we make money on, basically. So now is the 358 00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:19,410 time to hunker down and build your community and build your 359 00:23:19,410 --> 00:23:23,970 experiences. And it's going to be a great ride for people who 360 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:30,720 aren't reliant on just a benefactors and and sugar daddy 361 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,930 showing up. That's all over, I think you're going to see a lot 362 00:23:33,930 --> 00:23:37,440 of things fall apart. Not and I hate to say the companies are 363 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,260 going to fall apart because I think, in general, the podcast 364 00:23:40,260 --> 00:23:43,860 hosting business is, is nicely decentralized, we have a very 365 00:23:43,860 --> 00:23:47,340 nice mix. So we can we can lose one or two. And I don't want 366 00:23:47,340 --> 00:23:51,120 anything to close. But it's going to be skin of the teeth 367 00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:54,300 time, no doubt about it. And I'm very happy that we've built 368 00:23:54,300 --> 00:23:59,310 this. This community outside of Silicon Valley, we don't have to 369 00:23:59,550 --> 00:24:02,850 be begging anybody to do anything for us. 370 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:10,320 But podcasting. Podcasting is like good podcasting to a 371 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:14,850 company like Google, in this, I think is more general. It kind 372 00:24:14,850 --> 00:24:18,840 of applies across the board. Podcasting, it took me like 373 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,770 Google is like Google Reader is to a company like Google. Sure. 374 00:24:22,770 --> 00:24:26,280 It's just an add on. There's no There's no, they're never 375 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:27,840 they're in business. There's no money there. Their 376 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,650 business is search advertising period, right. briary. 377 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:37,560 Sir, their business is search as search ads. The search market in 378 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:42,990 general is weakening. You can see that their ad read search ad 379 00:24:42,990 --> 00:24:48,060 revenue is also beginning to get shaky because on the security 380 00:24:48,060 --> 00:24:53,070 side of things, a thing we've been seeing for the past on the 381 00:24:53,070 --> 00:24:58,530 cybersecurity front for the past, not same month or so. 382 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,220 There's been a lot of Talk in the security community about 383 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,880 malicious ads, they're beginning to become more and more common 384 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,050 in Google Search. They're not policing the quality or the 385 00:25:10,050 --> 00:25:14,160 security and safety of the of the search ads. So you can 386 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:14,700 journey and 387 00:25:14,700 --> 00:25:18,120 suitability and safeties suitability in there. 388 00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:22,380 So you go on any given day, you go and do a Google search for 389 00:25:22,380 --> 00:25:27,270 something like notepad plus plus, or some calm or seven zip, 390 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:27,990 or saw, 391 00:25:28,410 --> 00:25:31,080 and you get some download that is going to ruin your day. 392 00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:36,210 That used to never happen with Google search. Now, you're you 393 00:25:36,210 --> 00:25:40,110 are, you are some percentage likely only have in any given 394 00:25:40,110 --> 00:25:43,650 day to get a malicious search ad. And the fact that they're 395 00:25:43,650 --> 00:25:49,350 allowing that through, it means that something is shaky. And 396 00:25:49,380 --> 00:25:55,680 that that, again, tells me their focus. Well, here's what here's 397 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,280 what his Mimosa says, we've undertaken a rigorous review 398 00:25:59,310 --> 00:26:02,070 across product areas and functions to ensure that our 399 00:26:02,070 --> 00:26:05,670 people and roles are aligned with our highest priorities as a 400 00:26:05,670 --> 00:26:09,510 company. The roles were eliminating reflected the 401 00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:13,800 outcome of that review, they cut across alphabet product areas, 402 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:19,140 functions, levels and regions. That this is this is him saying, 403 00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:24,270 we are getting rid of anything that we feel like is not core? 404 00:26:24,810 --> 00:26:27,960 We're not we're not even we don't give we don't care to two 405 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,260 cents about that. Correct. If you think as a if you're a 406 00:26:31,260 --> 00:26:36,030 podcast and industrial complex, you know, participant and youth 407 00:26:36,030 --> 00:26:38,580 and your what your thought process has been is oh, well, 408 00:26:38,580 --> 00:26:40,350 there's gonna be they're just gonna, they're taking Google 409 00:26:40,350 --> 00:26:43,020 podcasts. They're gonna stick it over here, they're gonna move it 410 00:26:43,020 --> 00:26:47,010 over to YouTube, there's gonna be a podcast tab and the YouTube 411 00:26:47,010 --> 00:26:52,260 app, you're gonna be able to go get podcasts like I may eat 412 00:26:52,260 --> 00:26:55,230 these words, but I don't think that will ever happen. I think 413 00:26:55,230 --> 00:26:58,860 what's gonna happen YouTube's podcast quote unquote, strategy 414 00:26:59,250 --> 00:27:03,330 probably comes down to this cherry pick successful shows 415 00:27:03,330 --> 00:27:06,600 like Joe Rogan, when it's possible to get these shows back 416 00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:10,770 did a video based get them back on YouTube? And that's it. 417 00:27:11,220 --> 00:27:12,150 That's naked. 418 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,720 You're absolutely right, you actually look at the page, what 419 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,780 you don't see is a nice page of album art that people have spent 420 00:27:18,780 --> 00:27:22,920 a lot of time on. Because they don't exist for the shows. None 421 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:27,180 of these are podcasts. A podcast has album art. The album art is 422 00:27:27,180 --> 00:27:30,870 the brand of the show. You expect you go to a podcast page 423 00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:35,070 you're going to see album art of of shows or brands that you 424 00:27:35,070 --> 00:27:40,800 recognize No, no, you're seeing screenshots of Oh, Episode 5000 425 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,950 with the guy with the mouth opened by Samuel with the hair 426 00:27:43,950 --> 00:27:50,370 crazy. That that's what YouTube does. And, and I think you're 427 00:27:50,370 --> 00:27:54,960 going to see YouTube also. I'm not so sure YouTube is wildly 428 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,870 profitable. I'm not so sure about that. It's a very 429 00:27:57,870 --> 00:28:00,330 expensive, very expensive area, what 430 00:28:00,330 --> 00:28:01,320 they're doing very expensive, 431 00:28:01,350 --> 00:28:06,090 the processing the serving, which is also why video has 432 00:28:06,090 --> 00:28:09,420 never really made it in podcasting. And that's not that 433 00:28:09,420 --> 00:28:12,510 it hasn't been possible, I thought always makes me laugh 434 00:28:12,660 --> 00:28:15,900 was that we we've been doing a video on this new media show 435 00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:20,670 podcasts for 1314 years. But if you go to blueberry, you can't 436 00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:25,140 you can't get any package that will allow you to transfer video 437 00:28:25,290 --> 00:28:27,720 because it's too expensive. They can't make money off of it. 438 00:28:28,290 --> 00:28:33,300 YouTube was free video. That's that's their trick. That's 439 00:28:33,300 --> 00:28:37,290 ending. I'm telling you, it's all going to end and this is a 440 00:28:37,290 --> 00:28:42,240 beautiful time for us. It is going to be so fun, so creative. 441 00:28:42,270 --> 00:28:45,960 It's going to be scrappy, like that, like it was any different 442 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,410 but it's going to be scrappy, and there's just the Eve I think 443 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:54,300 even the we'll see conferences scaled down significantly 444 00:28:54,450 --> 00:28:57,720 because that's another one of those you know, oh yeah, we got 445 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,750 a budget here for the conferences. Well, after you've 446 00:29:00,750 --> 00:29:04,530 cut down people the next thing you do is travel and then you go 447 00:29:04,530 --> 00:29:06,930 to all the extraneous stuff. What are we doing with 448 00:29:06,930 --> 00:29:09,810 conferences? Well we're still spending 30 grand on this 449 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,930 podcast conference 50 grand over here Yeah, cut that out right 450 00:29:12,930 --> 00:29:14,550 away what's the ROI 451 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,380 keep an eye on traditional cut on like a podcast keep an eye on 452 00:29:19,380 --> 00:29:23,340 companies that in the that their name always showed up as a as a 453 00:29:23,340 --> 00:29:28,290 sponsor of of whatever podcast conference and what and see if 454 00:29:28,380 --> 00:29:33,000 see their names disappear on your sponsorship list that that 455 00:29:33,030 --> 00:29:35,850 that will happen that I mean as your rice scrap it's gonna be 456 00:29:35,850 --> 00:29:39,240 scrappy but scrappy in like a in a good way and a good one for 457 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,920 reals way not not in Oh, I happen to just you know, you 458 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,800 know, somebody just fell, you know, tripped over their wallet 459 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,180 and threw a million dollars at me like a scrappy in a way 460 00:29:51,180 --> 00:29:54,180 where, where the money, the funding and that kind of thing 461 00:29:54,180 --> 00:30:00,420 is coming from from it's coming to groups, apps and hosting Post 462 00:30:00,420 --> 00:30:04,740 this stuff like that, that have legitimate products, and it can 463 00:30:04,740 --> 00:30:05,760 change the market. Yeah. 464 00:30:05,790 --> 00:30:09,000 And I think right now is a good time. If you're serious if look, 465 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,970 if you just want a podcast for your group for your community 466 00:30:11,970 --> 00:30:16,650 for your, your boy scout troop for your church, whatever it is, 467 00:30:16,890 --> 00:30:22,740 and it's not a it's not a an income generating thing you're 468 00:30:22,740 --> 00:30:25,770 doing necessarily, which is still the majority of people who 469 00:30:25,770 --> 00:30:28,710 podcast we've gotten into this. You gotta make money gotta grow 470 00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:32,490 the show. No, not necessarily. I don't want to grow the show 471 00:30:32,490 --> 00:30:35,820 bigger than the My community is, you know, it's like, that's very 472 00:30:35,820 --> 00:30:44,280 dependent upon what you're using it for. The the I see all the 473 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,900 reports, you know, and you're responsible for most of the bad 474 00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:52,200 news. Oh, no, oh, my God, no more new shows have been 475 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,890 created. What's happening? We have no more. We're not growing. 476 00:30:55,890 --> 00:31:00,540 We're stagnant. Of course, of course. And this is a great time 477 00:31:00,540 --> 00:31:05,010 to start something. Oh, because people are not there is no 478 00:31:05,010 --> 00:31:08,910 promise anymore of money. It's it really has never been there. 479 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,760 Unless you are minority group because that's what it was the 480 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:16,170 podcast industrial complex, in in general, was spending money 481 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,390 on minority groups to check a box. 482 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,570 Yeah, as a tool as a totally 483 00:31:21,570 --> 00:31:24,570 as a tool under the guise of there's not enough diverse 484 00:31:24,570 --> 00:31:28,620 voices. Well, the diverse voices are out there, they can start. 485 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,820 It's not hard to start, but I guess we needed to programs for 486 00:31:32,820 --> 00:31:36,510 that. So that's, that's all going by the wayside. The 487 00:31:36,510 --> 00:31:43,920 $200,000, episode, consultants. I see you on LinkedIn. It's 488 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:48,570 $5,000. Now if that overnight that change, it was a farce, the 489 00:31:48,570 --> 00:31:52,710 whole thing was built on a house of cards, and bullshit. Now the 490 00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:57,420 core of podcasting, it's solid rock solid, we're a part of 491 00:31:57,420 --> 00:32:02,250 that. It's going to be fantastic. If you really are 492 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,820 making a great product that people care about growing your 493 00:32:05,820 --> 00:32:11,310 show is bullshit. You know, discovery is bullshit. All of 494 00:32:11,310 --> 00:32:13,350 that. I'm just gonna say one more thing. It's just bullshit. 495 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,940 Show title. Bullshit. There you go. Let's bring in the guy who I 496 00:32:20,940 --> 00:32:24,660 think is doing a very good job of all of this. He is no 497 00:32:25,410 --> 00:32:28,140 what is it? Oh, gotta go. 498 00:32:28,290 --> 00:32:41,340 I said no, I'm like, Okay. Boot. Where's that boutique? He is. He 499 00:32:41,340 --> 00:32:45,720 is in the United Kingdom. He is known as the developer of the 500 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,060 fountain app. Please. Welcome back to the boardroom. Ladies 501 00:32:48,060 --> 00:32:50,670 and gentlemen, the Honorable Oscar Marais. 502 00:32:51,690 --> 00:32:54,120 Hey guys. How's it going? Hey, Oscar. 503 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,820 Now you're all pumped about podcasting after that opening? 504 00:32:57,570 --> 00:32:59,640 Oh, yeah. More pumped than ever after that. 505 00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:06,330 It's all it's all going down as flaming is in flames. Yeah, that 506 00:33:06,330 --> 00:33:08,910 Led Zeppelin is going over now build an app 507 00:33:09,150 --> 00:33:13,290 when it comes to podcasting 2.0 apps that are value for value, 508 00:33:13,290 --> 00:33:15,810 which of course, it's not a fair comparison, because we have a 509 00:33:15,810 --> 00:33:19,560 number of great apps that do not have streaming sites in their 510 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:25,500 you have planted has constantly been been on top, usually by 511 00:33:25,530 --> 00:33:33,030 quite a stretch. And, and a lot of innovation. The most 512 00:33:33,030 --> 00:33:35,340 interesting thing to me, I think we talked about it on the last 513 00:33:35,340 --> 00:33:38,430 board meeting is this activity stream that you that you've put 514 00:33:38,430 --> 00:33:42,420 in, this has blown me away. Because I'm I'm looking at this, 515 00:33:42,420 --> 00:33:46,770 I'm like, hey, these guys are commenting on this podcast. And 516 00:33:46,770 --> 00:33:50,250 I see friends of mine, and there's a boost there. I'm now 517 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,210 using this activity stream to find new things to listen to. 518 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:59,550 It's it's really discovery. It's discovery. It's genius. And 519 00:33:59,550 --> 00:34:03,600 finally, there is a new podcast. I don't want to say that no one 520 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:09,810 has that has innovation. But this is a very, very nice new 521 00:34:09,810 --> 00:34:14,820 podcasting experience. I open up the app, it doesn't show me what 522 00:34:14,820 --> 00:34:18,240 I haven't listened to or how many podcasts are unlisted, 523 00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:21,270 which is a horrible feeling. Whenever I see that on Oh, man, 524 00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:25,590 I'm so behind. It shows me all this stuff. And I think these 525 00:34:25,590 --> 00:34:28,140 are this is the direction that we need to go in and and I'd 526 00:34:28,140 --> 00:34:31,440 like you to just bring us up to speed on the new version of the 527 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,110 app and what you've done and how it's working out. 528 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,910 Yeah, sure. I'll give an overview. And yeah, great to 529 00:34:38,910 --> 00:34:42,780 hear that. Adam. Is that definitely the intention with 530 00:34:42,780 --> 00:34:45,090 the feature. But yeah, let me just give a quick overview. So 531 00:34:45,090 --> 00:34:49,170 we launched fountain naught point six, a couple of weeks 532 00:34:49,170 --> 00:34:53,910 ago, which included two big features. One is the Fiat on 533 00:34:53,910 --> 00:34:57,300 ramp, and now you can top up your wallet with Apple Pay or 534 00:34:57,300 --> 00:35:00,210 Google Pay, which we think is really If 535 00:35:01,709 --> 00:35:04,259 you can top up with Apple Pay and Google Pay, 536 00:35:04,859 --> 00:35:07,859 yeah, you can talk about with Apple Pay directly in the app. 537 00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:09,089 Wow. 538 00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:11,610 Well, I don't have apple. But you can do that with Google as 539 00:35:11,610 --> 00:35:17,160 well. Yeah. Hmm. Well, I'm on some funky old grass, you know. 540 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,520 So I probably don't count in that regard. I didn't know that. 541 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,830 That's okay. Wow, that's big. 542 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,850 Yeah. So that we think that's really important just for it 543 00:35:26,850 --> 00:35:32,160 means that you can receive your first set into the fountain app 544 00:35:32,190 --> 00:35:35,400 into your wallet without actually having to really leave 545 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:40,500 the app. Obviously, you pay via Moon pay, right? Through 546 00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:44,520 WebView. But you're still within the app. So you can just buy 547 00:35:44,580 --> 00:35:47,970 your first sets in the app. But yeah, so we're really excited 548 00:35:47,970 --> 00:35:50,580 about that. And I'm happy to talk more about the onboarding, 549 00:35:50,580 --> 00:35:53,340 which I think last time I was on, I mentioned was like the 550 00:35:53,340 --> 00:35:56,550 biggest challenge that I saw, yeah, on the activity stuff. 551 00:35:57,630 --> 00:36:03,210 Essentially, the activity feed now, which is on the homescreen 552 00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:09,360 of the fountain app shows you all of the activity from the 553 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,440 people that you follow on fountain. And this is primarily 554 00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:19,020 drawn from the booths. So for example, if I follow you, Adam, 555 00:36:19,230 --> 00:36:23,730 on fountain, and you send a boost to either an episode or a 556 00:36:23,730 --> 00:36:28,050 show, I will see that in my activity feed along with the 557 00:36:28,050 --> 00:36:31,740 message. And then as well as just and what I'll see 558 00:36:31,740 --> 00:36:35,610 underneath that is the actual episode, content card or the 559 00:36:35,610 --> 00:36:39,390 show content card. So here allows me to actually straight 560 00:36:39,390 --> 00:36:43,950 away just go and play that episode, I can also reply to the 561 00:36:43,950 --> 00:36:49,080 booze or like the boost and send us some stats for that comment. 562 00:36:49,380 --> 00:36:53,280 And then the activity feed is also integrated with our 563 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,490 clipping features. So for example, if you created a clip 564 00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:01,680 of an episode, I would also see that clip in my activity feed. 565 00:37:02,010 --> 00:37:07,020 So it's just a way for you to discover what people you're 566 00:37:07,020 --> 00:37:09,690 following are listening to effectively and what they're 567 00:37:09,690 --> 00:37:13,920 finding valuable. I think, you know, we've been really pleased 568 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,500 with the way it's been working over the past couple of weeks. 569 00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:19,650 Because obviously, it's one thing to come up with this idea, 570 00:37:19,650 --> 00:37:23,640 but it's actually been working and you see somebody send a 571 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,570 boost to a show that you've never heard of before. And you 572 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,790 to be honest, you're probably not going to go and subscribe to 573 00:37:29,790 --> 00:37:33,990 that feed, or you know, add it to your library. But maybe the 574 00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:36,690 episode is interesting enough that you'll go and listen to, 575 00:37:37,020 --> 00:37:39,420 you know, half of it, and then you know about that show, and 576 00:37:39,420 --> 00:37:42,210 then you can recommend it for someone else. So I think yeah, 577 00:37:42,210 --> 00:37:46,800 that that boosts and the Satoshis that go along with it. 578 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,540 Using that as a discovery signal for what content is worth 579 00:37:51,540 --> 00:37:54,840 listening to, I think is is really powerful. And that's what 580 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,290 we've we've tried to surface in the activity feed. 581 00:37:58,500 --> 00:38:02,400 Can I can I pay you to show up in that activity and that 582 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:03,750 activity feed for everybody? 583 00:38:04,590 --> 00:38:08,010 Yeah, exactly. So we also have our promotions. So as a 584 00:38:08,010 --> 00:38:13,470 podcaster, you can, you don't actually pay while you do you 585 00:38:13,470 --> 00:38:16,560 pay to appear in the activity fee. But the way that promotions 586 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,970 work is you're not paying for impressions. So you're not 587 00:38:20,970 --> 00:38:25,410 actually paying to be in the feed, you only pay out when 588 00:38:25,410 --> 00:38:28,560 people listen to your content. And that's all done with 589 00:38:28,590 --> 00:38:31,530 streaming stats in the opposite direction. So if I wanted to 590 00:38:31,530 --> 00:38:36,780 promote my show, I could just say I want to set max at 5000 591 00:38:36,780 --> 00:38:40,950 for this episode, streams per minute in the other direction 592 00:38:40,980 --> 00:38:44,460 and people can kind of listen there. So yeah, that's that's 593 00:38:44,460 --> 00:38:46,170 how you can promote your show on Phantom. 594 00:38:47,130 --> 00:38:51,300 So I can't go around the system and buy that from you directly. 595 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:58,290 Yeah, you can stay safe. You can buy by promotion, you can 596 00:38:58,290 --> 00:39:00,690 promote your show from within the fountain app with a credit 597 00:39:00,690 --> 00:39:04,680 card without pay as well. Within Yeah, okay. 598 00:39:05,220 --> 00:39:07,830 Good call on Apple Pay, by the way. Yeah. And Google Pay 599 00:39:07,830 --> 00:39:10,800 because that gets that sort of gets you in the good graces 600 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,380 because they want you to you know, they want you to use Apple 601 00:39:13,380 --> 00:39:16,320 Pay. Because then you don't have to think it tell me if I'm 602 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,400 wrong. I think the way that it works is if you use Apple Pay, 603 00:39:20,730 --> 00:39:23,550 you don't have to do this 30 You don't have to give Apple to 30% 604 00:39:23,550 --> 00:39:24,000 Cut. 605 00:39:25,470 --> 00:39:29,910 Yeah, exactly. We don't have to give them the cut on Apple Pay 606 00:39:29,940 --> 00:39:34,080 we do for our premium subscription, but not for those 607 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,040 one off purchases. 608 00:39:35,490 --> 00:39:39,060 Well, that's a great way to do it. And it gets you in the sort 609 00:39:39,060 --> 00:39:42,660 of good graces of of Apple and Google by going through their 610 00:39:42,660 --> 00:39:46,290 payment system. You know, sort of kinda gets you off their back 611 00:39:46,290 --> 00:39:48,330 a little bit, you know, like gets them off your back. 612 00:39:48,750 --> 00:39:50,730 I wouldn't count on it. Well, 613 00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:55,890 not forever. It's not there's nothing against there's nothing 614 00:39:55,890 --> 00:40:00,870 against the astral rules for having you know, Bitcoin 615 00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:02,580 payments and that kind of thing in there. I mean, that's, 616 00:40:02,610 --> 00:40:07,020 that's, that's not against the rules, but everybody is nervous 617 00:40:07,020 --> 00:40:10,740 about it. And then But then if you integrate with Apple Pay and 618 00:40:10,740 --> 00:40:13,620 that kind of thing, you're, you're doing what they are what 619 00:40:13,620 --> 00:40:16,200 they are, you're going a route that they want you to go, I 620 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,630 guess is what I'm trying to say. Yeah. So that's, that gives you 621 00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:22,860 a little bit of I'm not saying like cover, but it, you're 622 00:40:22,860 --> 00:40:26,730 you're you're being a good citizen of their ecosystem in 623 00:40:26,730 --> 00:40:28,680 their eyes. Is that fair? 624 00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:33,330 Yeah, I think more with the premium subscription using their 625 00:40:33,330 --> 00:40:37,410 in app purchases, I think that covers I saw a lot more than 626 00:40:37,410 --> 00:40:41,310 Apple Pay. I mean, because, you know, essentially, we are, you 627 00:40:41,310 --> 00:40:45,810 know, paying Apple every month 30% of what we make on that. So, 628 00:40:45,810 --> 00:40:48,840 you know, we're, we're providing them with a revenue stream. And 629 00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:52,260 actually, when we first launched that in we, we added the premium 630 00:40:52,260 --> 00:40:57,000 subscription with a terrible set of additional features, just so 631 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,840 that Apple would pay attention to that and approve the app 632 00:41:00,870 --> 00:41:04,980 without the risk of the streaming sites being kind of 633 00:41:04,980 --> 00:41:09,450 looked at and saying why. You pay? Yeah, yeah, we paid the 634 00:41:09,450 --> 00:41:10,440 tax. Yeah. 635 00:41:11,580 --> 00:41:15,030 I mean, are you doing okay, on premium? I mean, how is, uh, do 636 00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:17,340 you have a pretty good base of subscribers now? 637 00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:22,470 Yeah, so we've got a decent amount of subscribers, I think 638 00:41:22,500 --> 00:41:26,910 we need to do a lot better with just, you know, the app features 639 00:41:26,910 --> 00:41:30,720 and the premium features. So the premium features right now are 640 00:41:30,750 --> 00:41:36,870 number one, you can reduce the transaction fees from 4% to 1%. 641 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,970 And those fees are on top of whatever the SAT value is so 642 00:41:41,970 --> 00:41:46,410 that we maintain the numerology. And then you have the option to 643 00:41:46,410 --> 00:41:49,890 remove promotions if you want to. And then you have access to 644 00:41:49,890 --> 00:41:54,480 more advanced clipping features with the transcript. So, yeah, 645 00:41:54,510 --> 00:41:58,680 4% of our users pay for premium, which you know, is it's funny, 646 00:41:58,680 --> 00:41:59,490 that's the same number, 647 00:41:59,490 --> 00:42:02,160 my number, my number, that's my number. 648 00:42:03,330 --> 00:42:07,680 So yeah, I mean, we were happy with that, considering like, 649 00:42:07,950 --> 00:42:10,440 that we're early still. But obviously, we'd like to push it 650 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,970 up. I mean, I've heard that Spotify. Their conversion is 40% 651 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,720 on premium but I mean, if you listen to Spotify without 652 00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:21,810 premium is so annoying, you know, you can't you can't 653 00:42:21,810 --> 00:42:25,620 shuffle you can't skip the ads. So it's much more of a Yeah, 654 00:42:25,650 --> 00:42:29,070 even if you have premium, the Joe Rogan show I think I 655 00:42:29,070 --> 00:42:31,950 mentioned this is interrupted every 10 minutes, you're 656 00:42:31,950 --> 00:42:36,120 watching video, then all sudden, the video closes. You hear Joe 657 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:40,440 going, Hey, I love these book pills. And you know, this is 658 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,680 this to add read and then it goes right back into the videos 659 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:49,650 every 1015 minutes. And I pay for premium. Just ridiculous to 660 00:42:49,650 --> 00:42:52,350 pieces of feedback that I got from people, because of course 661 00:42:52,350 --> 00:42:58,230 for my my testbed is Korean the keeper because these are not 662 00:42:58,230 --> 00:43:03,090 your typical podcast app users not your typical technology. 663 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:14,460 adopters, you know that I even got a report from from John 664 00:43:14,460 --> 00:43:19,320 Spurlock that show that indeed, on that particular show, now 665 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,370 we're only available podcasting. 2.0 not in the Apple or Spotify 666 00:43:23,370 --> 00:43:29,520 or anything like that. We have a pretty high. So it's actually 667 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:36,510 like this Safari chrome pod verse. Podcast addict, Firefox 668 00:43:36,540 --> 00:43:41,460 edge, it goes down the list. You know, it's and that's right. 669 00:43:41,460 --> 00:43:46,110 When a show is released, it's mainly on browsers. And then 670 00:43:46,110 --> 00:43:50,070 there's a conversion and the conversion is actually it's 671 00:43:50,070 --> 00:43:54,630 interesting as well. Because we have pod verse 25%, podcast 672 00:43:54,630 --> 00:44:00,450 addicts 16th fountain 11. So they are getting they are 673 00:44:00,450 --> 00:44:03,540 getting to the app and a lot of people of course, we're 674 00:44:03,540 --> 00:44:07,290 struggling. Just trying to figure out how you know how, 675 00:44:07,380 --> 00:44:09,480 what is the Satoshis? I mean, they're starting at the 676 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,410 beginning, obviously. Now that you've added that and we've been 677 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,100 we've been talking about now Okay, now you can now you can 678 00:44:17,100 --> 00:44:19,680 fill up your wallet right in the app is very exciting people. 679 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:24,870 Okay, I'm doing this. And here's the main thing we get back. I 680 00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:27,420 don't trust this thing called Moon pay. What the hell was 681 00:44:27,420 --> 00:44:33,330 that? Is this a bug? Is this a hacker? And, and I will say at 682 00:44:33,330 --> 00:44:37,500 least one person said I went to the FAQs, saw that that was the 683 00:44:37,500 --> 00:44:41,310 approved partner and so I felt better about it. But the minute 684 00:44:41,310 --> 00:44:43,800 someone has to get because because the onboarding is slick, 685 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,400 there's no driver's license, no, take a picture, move your head 686 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,390 cough three times. It's your social security number, which is 687 00:44:51,390 --> 00:44:54,810 also a thing for Pete like I'm going to give my social security 688 00:44:54,810 --> 00:44:57,720 number to an outfit called Moon peg. So it's just these little 689 00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:01,560 things, but it's getting there and You can be really proud of 690 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:02,940 how well you're doing with this. 691 00:45:04,110 --> 00:45:07,230 Oh, no, thanks. I appreciate that. And yeah, I definitely 692 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:12,210 understand that it's not ideal that we have to introduce a 693 00:45:12,210 --> 00:45:16,050 third party. And it's an additional, you know, entity 694 00:45:16,050 --> 00:45:19,260 that you have to ask question, Who are these people? You know, 695 00:45:19,290 --> 00:45:23,070 what are they doing? I think hopefully, at some point, we 696 00:45:23,070 --> 00:45:28,590 will be able to do it all underneath, you know, just kind 697 00:45:28,590 --> 00:45:32,040 of found him brand in the app. But I think for now, the moon 698 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:36,660 pay flow is it's much better than what we had before you 699 00:45:36,660 --> 00:45:40,230 avoid, you avoid the lightning invoices, you avoid having to 700 00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:44,250 download another lightning, wallet to your phone. So yes, 701 00:45:44,250 --> 00:45:47,010 step in the right direction. But still lots we can do that. And 702 00:45:47,010 --> 00:45:47,160 in 703 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:51,660 general, I have since we have pod verse now also has a much 704 00:45:51,690 --> 00:45:54,540 easier onboarding process with the with the Alby wallet, they 705 00:45:54,540 --> 00:45:57,990 have Moon pay built right in granted, it is one step outside 706 00:45:57,990 --> 00:46:02,970 of the app. But I'm seeing I'm just seeing the increase. I'm 707 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,030 Dave, you've seen it too. It's an increase a digit daily 708 00:46:06,060 --> 00:46:09,870 increase. What is now of course, I'm also looking at Fiat 709 00:46:09,870 --> 00:46:12,840 dollars. So that has changed a little bit in the in the past is 710 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,720 really transaction count. That's what we're looking at. Yeah, the 711 00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:20,220 transaction count is way up. And it's incredibly exciting to see 712 00:46:20,250 --> 00:46:22,890 I mean, it really enough with all the stuff I'm talking about. 713 00:46:22,890 --> 00:46:27,300 It's just communication, you know, it just communication, UX, 714 00:46:27,300 --> 00:46:30,780 all that kind of stuff. But people are doing it. And I think 715 00:46:30,780 --> 00:46:34,410 this was a huge, huge step forward for podcasting. 2.0 for 716 00:46:34,410 --> 00:46:38,010 the value for value piece, a big, big step forward having 717 00:46:38,010 --> 00:46:41,010 this onboarding inside the apps. 718 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,530 Yeah, you know, as I said this before, that, all of these 719 00:46:46,530 --> 00:46:49,560 things that you have to go through the KYC. And in that 720 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,980 kind of stuff. It's no different than you have to go through with 721 00:46:52,980 --> 00:46:55,560 anything else. I mean, try to go get a bank account. Oh, 722 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,350 it was worse for Cash App. Man, we had the Cash App, you had to 723 00:46:58,350 --> 00:47:02,670 do license and literally take up, take a picture, move your 724 00:47:02,670 --> 00:47:04,770 head left, move your head, right. Yeah, that's 725 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,300 it. The only differences is all at once, like with, you know, 726 00:47:09,300 --> 00:47:12,330 when you go through one of these other ones, like try trying to 727 00:47:12,330 --> 00:47:17,520 get any sort of financial, like account anywhere for anything, 728 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:21,630 not crit, not crypto related, just normal, everyday stuff. 729 00:47:22,380 --> 00:47:26,610 With fiat currency. It's just as onerous except that it's in slow 730 00:47:26,610 --> 00:47:30,000 motion over time. And so you don't really notice. You don't 731 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,020 really put it all together. It's just slow, sort of small, you 732 00:47:34,020 --> 00:47:37,800 know, 1000 cuts. But when you go through like a crypto quote 733 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,620 unquote onboarding process, it's just sort of like, boom, boom, 734 00:47:40,620 --> 00:47:42,960 boom, boom, boom, you gotta give give him all your stuff all at 735 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,210 once. And it's like, whoa, this feels intrusive, but it's 736 00:47:45,210 --> 00:47:48,600 really, it's really probably no ultimately less intrusive than 737 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,120 going to even to get some other kind of account. Really. 738 00:47:52,860 --> 00:47:54,810 No, go ahead. No, go ahead. 739 00:47:55,860 --> 00:48:00,300 No, I was I was gonna ask, How do I game your system of ameba 740 00:48:00,300 --> 00:48:03,660 Tron, I want to I want to develop or have found to tell me 741 00:48:03,660 --> 00:48:07,530 how, how can I take a podcast I love and put it to the top of 742 00:48:07,530 --> 00:48:08,160 the charts? 743 00:48:09,330 --> 00:48:11,640 Well, I'm glad you asked. Because there is a way 744 00:48:13,530 --> 00:48:14,850 to get a pin, I've got a pin. 745 00:48:15,810 --> 00:48:20,910 And yeah, so we, you know, we stole the concept of the baller 746 00:48:20,910 --> 00:48:24,360 boost, I'm sure you guys won't mind. But essentially, in your 747 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,350 feed, even if you're not following that person, the ball 748 00:48:28,350 --> 00:48:31,800 of boost from the last three days will show up in everyone's 749 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:37,620 feet. So if you want to, you know, showcase that episode to 750 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:42,270 everybody using fountain you gotta use them. Yeah, you gotta 751 00:48:42,300 --> 00:48:44,460 you gotta get to the thought. Ah, 752 00:48:45,090 --> 00:48:47,790 is there a magic number that you can reveal? Or is this delays? 753 00:48:47,820 --> 00:48:50,250 Or is there a discovery process that has to happen for this? 754 00:48:50,370 --> 00:48:55,080 No, it just depends on the top boost about by sat value in the 755 00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:55,860 last three days. 756 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,900 Now, it does not have to be a boost coming it has to be a 757 00:49:00,900 --> 00:49:02,640 boost coming from fountain though right? 758 00:49:03,420 --> 00:49:07,620 Yeah, it does right now. But um, you know, one of the things I 759 00:49:07,950 --> 00:49:11,370 like commit to is that everything that we see in 760 00:49:11,370 --> 00:49:14,160 Fountain right now I want that to work kind of between the 761 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,810 apps. So for example, right now if you if you send a boost from 762 00:49:19,650 --> 00:49:24,870 I think breeze curio caster, not sure about pod verse, but it 763 00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:29,310 will actually show up on the episode page in Fountain how do 764 00:49:29,310 --> 00:49:35,460 you how do you do that? So if we have a split, then we can see 765 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:42,540 the the value MC total and we can, you know, check to see, you 766 00:49:42,540 --> 00:49:46,140 know, have we created this already. And if not, then we can 767 00:49:46,140 --> 00:49:49,830 create that boost and just set it be from whatever the the 768 00:49:49,830 --> 00:49:51,000 sending app was from 769 00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:55,290 you if you host if you're the one that onboarded the podcast 770 00:49:55,290 --> 00:49:57,390 or so you would have a split there and so you'd be able to 771 00:49:57,390 --> 00:49:57,840 see it. 772 00:49:58,350 --> 00:50:02,280 Yeah, and even if we didn't on on both the podcast, some 773 00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,610 podcasters that are running their own node, for example, 774 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,650 just give us a 1% split. 775 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,340 I want to do that that way. I want to do that right away. I 776 00:50:11,340 --> 00:50:13,800 want to I want all my booths to show up on fountain. 777 00:50:14,250 --> 00:50:17,310 Yeah, so you can if you give us a 1% split, we'll create the 778 00:50:17,310 --> 00:50:21,420 booths from curio caster breeze and pod verse. I can't remember 779 00:50:21,450 --> 00:50:24,630 I spoke to Mitch and there was like, one tiny thing that we 780 00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:27,840 needed to change. It might be working now, but maybe someone 781 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:33,210 can can double check that on a feed that has has a fountain 782 00:50:33,210 --> 00:50:33,720 split. 783 00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:39,750 Okay, so how do so the bot Okay, so baller boosts go into the 784 00:50:39,750 --> 00:50:44,160 into the sort of universal activity feed. But then how does 785 00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:48,240 that relate to the charts? Like the charts that you produce? On 786 00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:50,760 your side? Is that something a different algorithm? Or is that 787 00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,430 basically just a conglomeration of the activity phase stuff? 788 00:50:54,180 --> 00:50:57,660 Yeah, it's basically the same. It's all based on the Satoshi 789 00:50:57,660 --> 00:51:04,290 value. So yeah, and the charts right now are just based on 790 00:51:04,380 --> 00:51:09,450 support from fountain within fountain, but we plan to kind of 791 00:51:09,630 --> 00:51:14,070 aggregate any income that we see from other apps as well. 792 00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:17,550 What is the what is the fountain username for the split? 793 00:51:19,890 --> 00:51:22,530 I'll have to send that to you, 794 00:51:22,770 --> 00:51:25,620 man. I'm here ready to fill it in? I'm ready to do. 795 00:51:28,350 --> 00:51:32,370 Yeah, it does require it does. I'll have to look that up. Well, 796 00:51:32,370 --> 00:51:36,570 I mean, one thing that this kind of leads into, which be great to 797 00:51:36,570 --> 00:51:42,450 get your thoughts on is I think there's a GitHub thread about 798 00:51:42,450 --> 00:51:47,640 this on on the podcast, index, GitHub, but you know, the 799 00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:53,460 ability to add a lightning address to the split. Because I 800 00:51:53,460 --> 00:51:57,840 think this would make things a lot easier. Just in situations 801 00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,770 like these. Instead of asking for my value block, you can just 802 00:52:01,770 --> 00:52:05,340 ask for my lightning address. And I know, both Albion fountain 803 00:52:05,370 --> 00:52:11,880 have the same key send lookup on that. That kind of is not the ln 804 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:16,020 URL spec is not in that spec. But we both just went for the 805 00:52:16,020 --> 00:52:20,040 same one. So yeah, I think it'd be great to get into the value 806 00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,350 block spec. And then we can just say, Hey, what's your lightning 807 00:52:22,350 --> 00:52:24,000 address? I'll add you to the split. 808 00:52:25,050 --> 00:52:29,610 Okay. Yeah, I mean, I could does it doesn't have to be in this 809 00:52:29,820 --> 00:52:32,280 province, he does have to be named in the spec. Because I 810 00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,460 think you can do that now. Right? I mean, the real really, 811 00:52:35,460 --> 00:52:42,990 the question is, are the blocker there is, the service that's 812 00:52:42,990 --> 00:52:48,600 hosting the wallets has to be capable to resolve it. So like, 813 00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:54,870 in the case of something like ln PE, Tim would have to make sure 814 00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:59,850 that LM PE does that look up before? Because he, you could 815 00:52:59,850 --> 00:53:02,790 just put the lining address in there, and then he would have to 816 00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:07,080 do the lookup on the fly. Am I understanding that right? 817 00:53:10,410 --> 00:53:15,390 Yeah, I guess I guess we could. So for example, if we saw, you 818 00:53:15,390 --> 00:53:19,680 know, type equals node and address equals lightning 819 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:25,170 address, we could choose to interpret that. But ideally, if 820 00:53:25,170 --> 00:53:31,950 we had, for example, you know, a different type or, you know, ln 821 00:53:31,950 --> 00:53:36,660 URL, pay lightning address, because then we can kind of 822 00:53:36,690 --> 00:53:43,230 agree like, fountain adverse Alby curio, Acosta, whoever else 823 00:53:43,230 --> 00:53:45,750 can all agree that okay, this is the way that we're going to do 824 00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:46,560 that lookup. 825 00:53:48,420 --> 00:53:50,730 What should that look like? Should it be in the address 826 00:53:50,730 --> 00:53:54,480 field with a different type? Or should it just be a type still 827 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:59,010 is lightning but the address that you have, and maybe an 828 00:53:59,010 --> 00:54:04,590 additional attribute, that is something else like key, you 829 00:54:04,590 --> 00:54:07,440 know, I don't know, just some some other zone, some other 830 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,020 named attribute. And it's like, Well, if that thing is present, 831 00:54:10,380 --> 00:54:14,400 do a resolution, ignore that? Ignore the address and resolve 832 00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:14,670 it? 833 00:54:15,450 --> 00:54:18,120 Yeah. So I think the easiest way would just be like, I'm just 834 00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:22,110 looking at the dock now. And we have, you know, podcast value 835 00:54:22,110 --> 00:54:28,500 recipient, type equals node and address equals pub key. And if 836 00:54:28,500 --> 00:54:34,890 we just had a different type, so type equals ln URL, pay and 837 00:54:34,890 --> 00:54:41,010 address equals, you know, adam@fountain.fm, or Dave at get 838 00:54:41,010 --> 00:54:46,290 allday.com. And then we just kind of introduced that new 839 00:54:46,290 --> 00:54:49,830 type, which is this is the lightning address. And every app 840 00:54:49,860 --> 00:54:53,640 or service knows what to do with that lightning address. It just 841 00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,480 goes to the lookup format, in the same way that normal 842 00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:58,890 lightning address payments work. 843 00:54:59,430 --> 00:55:02,880 Now did that Linear l guys, did they ever endorsed this or 844 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,680 waste? Are we still doing this on our own? 845 00:55:05,130 --> 00:55:11,130 So from chatting to the guys at Alby, I think the way forward is 846 00:55:11,130 --> 00:55:15,630 for us to just do this, and then go back to the ln URL guys and 847 00:55:15,630 --> 00:55:19,770 just say, Hey, this is working. We're all doing it. Can you 848 00:55:19,770 --> 00:55:20,430 please add it? 849 00:55:20,850 --> 00:55:23,940 Yeah, cuz, because the type the type name, I don't want to call 850 00:55:23,940 --> 00:55:27,810 the type Ellen URL, if it's not Ellen URL, we can call call it, 851 00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,950 you know, something else? Because that, you know, they 852 00:55:31,950 --> 00:55:35,430 were so resistant to this simple idea last time that I mean, I 853 00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:39,270 don't want to, I don't want to name this their stuff. So like 854 00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:42,960 it could, you know, whatever we're calling this probably 855 00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,170 needs to be you know, I'm I agree, I fully agree. It's as 856 00:55:46,170 --> 00:55:49,740 simple as a simple resolver. And, you know, it gets to the 857 00:55:49,740 --> 00:55:51,630 point where it's, I will I mean, we don't need your permission, 858 00:55:51,630 --> 00:55:57,120 which could do it. So if we do it. I wonder what we call it. I 859 00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,610 guess we can hash that out on the, you know, on the thing, but 860 00:56:00,180 --> 00:56:04,560 it makes sense. This makes a lot of sense. Yeah, I'll, I'll look 861 00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,690 at doing that. Or if you want to do a PR or something with 862 00:56:06,690 --> 00:56:07,800 suggestion. Yeah. 863 00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:12,150 I'm happy to write out an issue for it. Yeah, do that. 864 00:56:12,750 --> 00:56:16,890 Let me switch gears for a second wave Lake launched and very 865 00:56:16,890 --> 00:56:21,450 confusing to me. There's a lot of enthusiasm. I'm cautiously 866 00:56:21,450 --> 00:56:27,870 enthusiastic. Do we know if they are indeed putting out an RSS 867 00:56:27,870 --> 00:56:31,230 feed with a value block that can be ingested with the medium tag? 868 00:56:31,230 --> 00:56:35,550 And And where does that? Where does that leave everybody in 869 00:56:35,550 --> 00:56:38,850 this case? Do we know anything about this? 870 00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:45,780 Yeah, I think as far as I know, they are putting out an RSS feed 871 00:56:45,780 --> 00:56:50,670 with the music medium tag. Okay, could be wrong, though. 872 00:56:50,850 --> 00:56:56,100 Right? I, man. We're, it feels like we're very close. But we're 873 00:56:56,100 --> 00:56:58,860 kind of passing by each other. I mean, that would be maybe just 874 00:56:58,860 --> 00:57:03,480 be my, my interpretation of the situation. 875 00:57:03,660 --> 00:57:08,130 Yeah, I tried to play with it a few times in and get just got 876 00:57:08,130 --> 00:57:11,250 called away every time and I have not finished going through 877 00:57:11,250 --> 00:57:14,580 I created an account and got in there and then just literally 878 00:57:14,580 --> 00:57:18,690 got pulled away. So I think it's this wave like studio is what 879 00:57:18,690 --> 00:57:24,300 this is, it's a studio.wavelight.com. And then 880 00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:28,050 you create an account in which that you can upload your music 881 00:57:28,050 --> 00:57:32,400 and stuff there. Oh, which is good. But I haven't seen a feed. 882 00:57:33,540 --> 00:57:38,430 If somebody can send me a feed, maybe tone record has a feed 883 00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,420 that he can send. And that way I can I can look at the feed and 884 00:57:42,420 --> 00:57:43,440 see what's actually in it. 885 00:57:43,529 --> 00:57:45,929 I guess the second question would be, are you going to 886 00:57:45,929 --> 00:57:48,809 support while the two things are? Maybe I should step back? 887 00:57:48,809 --> 00:57:53,159 But are you going to support the the medium tag for music? Have 888 00:57:53,159 --> 00:57:54,119 you thought about that? 889 00:57:55,230 --> 00:58:00,030 And yeah, definitely would would love to support the music medium 890 00:58:00,030 --> 00:58:02,580 tag just kind of waiting for for more. 891 00:58:02,610 --> 00:58:08,940 Can we have 44,000? Feeds with medium tag music, I believe? 892 00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,740 Yeah, those are those are hand curated. So there are 893 00:58:14,610 --> 00:58:17,670 Yeah, it's enough to populate a little section. 894 00:58:18,300 --> 00:58:21,330 Yeah, that's what I wanted. That's why we did it. So me, 895 00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:27,990 Alex and I ran that. Ran that Python machine learning 896 00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:31,560 algorithm over over square root slurpy. slurpy. Yeah. Over the 897 00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:35,820 whole thing over the whole index for God, we have four weeks. No, 898 00:58:35,820 --> 00:58:39,510 no, no, like a couple of months. Oh, it took forever. Yeah. And 899 00:58:39,570 --> 00:58:44,310 to just identify, try to get an identification of some level of 900 00:58:44,340 --> 00:58:46,440 let's just say, Okay, well, here, let's try to get maybe 901 00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,680 50,000 feeds that are that have music, and we'll go home, we'll 902 00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:53,430 just hand tag them. And then we at least have something that 903 00:58:53,460 --> 00:59:00,720 apps who want to who want to play with music as a as they'll 904 00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,060 just have a they'll Yeah, they'll have a corpus of content 905 00:59:03,060 --> 00:59:08,880 there to play with. Now, I think it's, I think it's I think the 906 00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:13,680 whole thing is, is interesting. I just I want to see we also 907 00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,580 have this issue. And I think I see are you you're looking at 908 00:59:17,580 --> 00:59:18,600 live too, right? 909 00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:20,460 Yeah, that was my next question. 910 00:59:21,630 --> 00:59:27,210 Yeah, definitely. Definitely live is, you know, the, the 911 00:59:27,210 --> 00:59:30,600 highest priority for us. Yeah. Okay. 912 00:59:31,530 --> 00:59:34,710 What do you need from me on that? Do you do you need me to 913 00:59:34,740 --> 00:59:38,280 give you any support on that from the API or anything else? 914 00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,560 I think we're all good. To be honest. It's just been a bit of 915 00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:48,630 a hectic few weeks. So we just need to get around to it really. 916 00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:49,530 But yeah, definitely. 917 00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:55,470 You are the developer. Yeah, seems like seems like it might 918 00:59:55,470 --> 00:59:56,550 have been kind of busy. 919 00:59:57,060 --> 01:00:00,000 Yes. And Nick to a bootcamp, it will be good to go. It'll be 920 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,610 You're being uh ya know, if you need anything, you know, please 921 01:00:05,820 --> 01:00:08,520 tell me, um, because as I'm living in that space right now, 922 01:00:09,300 --> 01:00:14,010 with the live stuff, trying to get it to be trying to get it to 923 01:00:14,010 --> 01:00:18,540 be well represented in the API calls where appropriate, and, 924 01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:22,170 you know, pod, pod ping is there now, so you should be good from 925 01:00:22,170 --> 01:00:25,170 that standpoint. I think as far as like getting up to speed with 926 01:00:25,170 --> 01:00:29,130 live, I think it's a much easier process now than it was a month 927 01:00:29,130 --> 01:00:32,730 ago. You know, two months ago, I think I think the support is 928 01:00:32,730 --> 01:00:35,010 there now to make it doable. 929 01:00:37,500 --> 01:00:41,280 Okay, great. Well, yeah, definitely. Hold hold me to hold 930 01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:41,490 us. 931 01:00:43,740 --> 01:00:47,220 But, uh, no. And that is wick on in. I don't know if you ever 932 01:00:47,220 --> 01:00:51,270 knew this was why I brought up live. But you know, Alex, and 933 01:00:51,270 --> 01:00:56,190 I've been going back and forth on well, you know, what, what do 934 01:00:56,190 --> 01:00:58,950 you do with some of these things like Mitch is bringing up where 935 01:00:58,950 --> 01:01:03,270 he so he says, Well, you know, for long running, let's just 936 01:01:03,270 --> 01:01:07,410 say, you know, jet stream hunters and retro these sort of 937 01:01:07,500 --> 01:01:12,630 24 hour live streams that, that never stop. And what do you do 938 01:01:12,660 --> 01:01:16,590 with those? And so that Alison told me is like, well, you know, 939 01:01:16,590 --> 01:01:19,350 why don't we just come up with a new medium, you know, call it 940 01:01:19,350 --> 01:01:23,790 whatever I mean, you know, radio or whatever, just give it some 941 01:01:23,790 --> 01:01:29,940 name. That indicates that this is a continuous live stream. And 942 01:01:31,260 --> 01:01:34,290 I mean, I like that idea. I think I think having it as a 943 01:01:34,290 --> 01:01:37,980 medium is pretty elegant. Get because medium feels like one of 944 01:01:37,980 --> 01:01:44,880 those things that it it solves it really exists in a space. 945 01:01:46,380 --> 01:01:51,660 Within the within the infrastructure of podcasting. It 946 01:01:51,810 --> 01:01:56,400 has always been needed, but but it was squishy. Because it's 947 01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:02,730 like it's not a category. And it's not a different tag, like 948 01:02:02,730 --> 01:02:06,510 it's not a it's it's not something other than an episode, 949 01:02:07,020 --> 01:02:10,860 or excuse me an item, it's an item. But it's like it never 950 01:02:10,860 --> 01:02:13,470 there's never really a good place to stick this and medium 951 01:02:13,470 --> 01:02:17,220 is so elegant. Because you can say you can do this, okay, well, 952 01:02:17,220 --> 01:02:22,680 this is a different type of thing. So having a long running 953 01:02:22,710 --> 01:02:28,140 24/7 stream, you know, found that less you as, as the app 954 01:02:28,170 --> 01:02:32,010 know, okay, well, here's, here's this unique thing. And here's 955 01:02:32,010 --> 01:02:34,590 how we're going to know how to handle this differently than 956 01:02:35,070 --> 01:02:39,210 then a normal episode, which is a download, or a live stream, 957 01:02:39,210 --> 01:02:44,070 which is a, you know, moment in time. piece of content. That's 958 01:02:44,100 --> 01:02:48,030 that's streaming, though. Okay, well, here's a third. Here's the 959 01:02:48,030 --> 01:02:52,200 third thing. This other thing is something that just never stops. 960 01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:57,150 And so you can tune in and tune out. And as we'll wait, does 961 01:02:57,150 --> 01:02:59,130 that make sense to you? I think it does. 962 01:03:00,510 --> 01:03:03,480 Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense to separate that out 963 01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,960 from the, you know, single Live episode. 964 01:03:08,580 --> 01:03:13,920 Yeah. Well, that, are you. You're probably really not even 965 01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:15,960 looking at medium right now at all. Because you really don't 966 01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,060 have a use, you know, you don't have none of your features 967 01:03:18,060 --> 01:03:19,050 require that right. 968 01:03:21,060 --> 01:03:24,300 Yeah, not not right now. But obviously, yeah, I plan to 969 01:03:24,570 --> 01:03:26,520 support that in the future. 970 01:03:27,150 --> 01:03:32,610 Since this is of course, my one of my my, my pet little project 971 01:03:32,610 --> 01:03:39,930 slash peeves. So I someone was kind enough to give me your, the 972 01:03:39,930 --> 01:03:47,190 fountain ID address. So I'm all I already put a 1% split in for 973 01:03:47,220 --> 01:03:54,030 podcasting to point out. The replies I mean, I'm just going 974 01:03:54,030 --> 01:03:58,110 to say it again, another two weeks gone by nothing on cross 975 01:03:58,110 --> 01:04:04,800 app comments. So how do we get replies that are boost replies? 976 01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:08,370 How do we get those across to other apps? Is that even 977 01:04:08,370 --> 01:04:10,830 possible? Have you thought about it? Have you talked to anybody 978 01:04:10,830 --> 01:04:11,340 about it? 979 01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:20,280 Yeah, great question. And it's a big question. I think we 980 01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:25,500 definitely want that to happen. But I think is is as you guys 981 01:04:25,500 --> 01:04:29,070 have talked about over the past week or month, this is the most 982 01:04:29,070 --> 01:04:29,700 difficult 983 01:04:31,350 --> 01:04:36,750 tag and it's the most difficult thing to do. I think there are a 984 01:04:36,750 --> 01:04:44,160 few different options. And I'm kind of just waiting to see what 985 01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:48,180 happens. I think one option that you guys have talked about over 986 01:04:48,180 --> 01:04:53,700 the past few weeks is bridging booths into activity pubs so 987 01:04:53,730 --> 01:04:58,200 essentially, creating, you know, and I'm not that familiar with 988 01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,240 activity targets, I might be using the wrong In the 989 01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:04,830 terminology here, but essentially creating a kind of 990 01:05:04,950 --> 01:05:09,330 route, comment inactivity pub for each boost, and then letting 991 01:05:09,330 --> 01:05:16,230 people reply off of that. That's one option. Another option is 992 01:05:16,530 --> 01:05:21,360 Noster, which is obviously, you know, it's a whole different 993 01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:26,040 thing. But I do think it could work. The only thing I think 994 01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:30,480 that's potentially missing there, or who's potentially 995 01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,000 missing from all of these options is the ability to kind 996 01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:37,590 of, you know, associate a payment with that message in a 997 01:05:37,590 --> 01:05:42,870 way that isn't just in the text of the message. So yeah, I think 998 01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:46,290 there's a few different options. I just think that it is 999 01:05:46,290 --> 01:05:49,620 unfortunately, just going to take a bit of time. But yeah, 1000 01:05:49,620 --> 01:05:53,700 I'm definitely everything that we do in balancing. I'm thinking 1001 01:05:53,700 --> 01:05:57,390 about how can we apply this cross app, because ultimately, 1002 01:05:58,110 --> 01:06:02,580 we're competing against Apple and Spotify. And thank you, this 1003 01:06:02,580 --> 01:06:07,050 is the killer feature that is going to, you know, help all of 1004 01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:10,770 the forecasting 2.0 apps take huge market share from Apple and 1005 01:06:10,770 --> 01:06:13,590 Spotify, because they're never going to do that. You know? 1006 01:06:14,250 --> 01:06:17,010 Yeah. So yeah, I think it will happen. It's just a really 1007 01:06:17,010 --> 01:06:18,030 difficult thing to do. 1008 01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:21,000 That's a great way to look at it. Yeah. 1009 01:06:21,060 --> 01:06:25,620 All of the excitement, for me is really in that. And, you know, I 1010 01:06:25,620 --> 01:06:30,780 set up a friend of mine and his wife, they're doing a podcast. 1011 01:06:30,810 --> 01:06:35,550 And he immediately said, Oh, I'm building a community on 1012 01:06:35,550 --> 01:06:38,760 fountain. I'm like, that's fantastic. No, of course, it's 1013 01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:42,390 unfortunate, because it's only one part of his community. The 1014 01:06:42,390 --> 01:06:45,420 other ones are just kind of left out. But it's definitely where 1015 01:06:45,420 --> 01:06:49,200 there's excitement. And, and I'm just gravitating towards where 1016 01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,840 things are working. I think you and I talked briefly or maybe it 1017 01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:57,150 was a suggestion that. So for podcasting 2.0, we would be able 1018 01:06:57,150 --> 01:07:01,320 to make the booths public after we do the live show. Is that 1019 01:07:01,350 --> 01:07:03,780 Yeah, have you put that on your list somewhere for us? 1020 01:07:03,870 --> 01:07:07,440 Yeah, that's on the list. I haven't done it yet. But 1021 01:07:07,530 --> 01:07:12,660 I don't know. Because I stand by it as a podcaster. I've been 1022 01:07:12,660 --> 01:07:16,830 doing it for a while. There's nothing more exciting than 1023 01:07:16,860 --> 01:07:21,420 adding a split into my value block and that activating a 1024 01:07:21,420 --> 01:07:26,580 service. It's just so sexy. Yeah, it's like, I put a split 1025 01:07:26,580 --> 01:07:32,730 in to my Git Alby and, and now I have two different I have 1026 01:07:32,730 --> 01:07:37,800 contracts, and I have the Saturn stats package is I mean, that's 1027 01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:42,810 a huge, huge value that I'm getting, just by adding 1% into 1028 01:07:42,810 --> 01:07:46,710 my value block. I mean, this as a podcaster. It clicks, like, I 1029 01:07:46,710 --> 01:07:49,230 don't have to integrate with API's, I don't have to 1030 01:07:49,230 --> 01:07:53,310 understand any of that. I just need to and thank God for really 1031 01:07:53,310 --> 01:07:56,580 thank God for sovereign feeds, where I can just say, Oh, this 1032 01:07:56,580 --> 01:07:59,100 is the get Alby address, clickety, click, this is the 1033 01:07:59,100 --> 01:08:01,590 fountain address, clickety click, it resolves everything, 1034 01:08:01,590 --> 01:08:05,610 don't have to think about it don't have to look up any, any 1035 01:08:05,610 --> 01:08:09,420 IDs. I mean, it's getting so beautifully simple, that for a 1036 01:08:09,420 --> 01:08:12,090 podcaster this is exactly what you want. 1037 01:08:14,970 --> 01:08:18,780 Is there ever been anything like, I'm struggling to think of 1038 01:08:18,780 --> 01:08:26,520 an example of something like this, where you simply sit 1039 01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:30,840 begins sending somebody a payment, and the service just 1040 01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:36,180 activates? I mean, like, like, from the, from the sender side, 1041 01:08:37,050 --> 01:08:39,990 you know, like, traditionally, you would, uh, you know, you go 1042 01:08:39,990 --> 01:08:44,490 and you register, and you set up a payment from the, from the 1043 01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:49,350 provider side, and they're gonna take, they're gonna pull money 1044 01:08:49,350 --> 01:08:53,640 from you, or, you know, on a regular basis to pay for the to 1045 01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:57,630 pay for your use of the service. I don't, I'm not sure that 1046 01:08:57,630 --> 01:09:02,970 there's ever existed a way where I can just from my side, from 1047 01:09:02,970 --> 01:09:06,540 the consumer side, I can just begin paying you at random and 1048 01:09:06,540 --> 01:09:11,940 the service just becomes available. But I can't think of 1049 01:09:11,940 --> 01:09:13,290 any analogy for that. 1050 01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:18,120 I don't think so. Obviously, it does something wrong on a 1051 01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:25,440 second. Thank you. The only the only analogy is sending an email 1052 01:09:25,440 --> 01:09:27,810 somewhere that it's not a payment, but you send an email, 1053 01:09:27,810 --> 01:09:31,620 it'll show up in a form in a list or something like that, 1054 01:09:31,620 --> 01:09:35,190 that that's pretty much the only the only glitch based 1055 01:09:35,190 --> 01:09:38,820 service activation is not something that I think has ever 1056 01:09:38,820 --> 01:09:43,110 exists. No, no. That's kind of exciting. I mean, it's, it's 1057 01:09:43,140 --> 01:09:47,460 it's kind of exciting because it solves so many issues. security, 1058 01:09:47,460 --> 01:09:51,330 privacy, these things. I mean, like you I can't think of 1059 01:09:51,330 --> 01:09:54,030 anything else like it. I don't know just just thinking out loud 1060 01:09:54,030 --> 01:09:54,300 here. 1061 01:09:55,950 --> 01:09:58,860 No, not at all. There's nothing like it. This is why it's so 1062 01:09:58,860 --> 01:09:59,580 beautiful. 1063 01:10:01,079 --> 01:10:06,089 And I like the, you know, I like this. I liked the idea that, you 1064 01:10:06,089 --> 01:10:11,849 know, your podcast and 2.2 apps or as a group are competing. You 1065 01:10:11,849 --> 01:10:15,809 know, they're competing really, it's almost not even with Apple 1066 01:10:15,809 --> 01:10:18,029 and Spotify in, in 1067 01:10:18,030 --> 01:10:20,730 these almost a whole different level playing field. 1068 01:10:21,059 --> 01:10:22,949 They're competing with malaise. 1069 01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:27,180 malaise? Yes, yes, 1070 01:10:27,630 --> 01:10:31,980 they're competing, they're competing with, with near, you 1071 01:10:31,980 --> 01:10:35,040 know, just just like, like they're competing with an 1072 01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:39,000 entrenched average user listener experience. 1073 01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:42,570 Yes, Wallah. That's why I liked the activity lightning timeline 1074 01:10:42,570 --> 01:10:49,020 so much. It's every we've got stuck in this inbox model in day 1075 01:10:49,020 --> 01:10:54,750 one from day one. I mean, I always like to kind of river of 1076 01:10:54,750 --> 01:10:58,050 podcasts, you know, which is your unplayed episodes, which is 1077 01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:01,260 works very well, I think almost every app has a version of it 1078 01:11:01,260 --> 01:11:06,330 now. But we are all stuck in this, here's your podcasts, you 1079 01:11:06,330 --> 01:11:09,330 know, this is the ones you subscribe to or follow, let's, 1080 01:11:09,480 --> 01:11:12,510 let's all have that not be the same. I'm looking at you ask 1081 01:11:12,510 --> 01:11:18,930 her. And, you know, just something new, something new and 1082 01:11:18,930 --> 01:11:22,140 exciting. And that's, that's what I'm seeing. And it shows in 1083 01:11:22,140 --> 01:11:23,040 the results. 1084 01:11:24,150 --> 01:11:29,010 Yeah, I think because with podcasting, the fact that in 1085 01:11:29,010 --> 01:11:35,400 every single app, you really have to subscribe to a feed or 1086 01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:39,420 follow it depending on what language you're using. And that 1087 01:11:39,420 --> 01:11:44,190 makes the barrier to listen to the content really high. Whereas 1088 01:11:44,190 --> 01:11:48,030 there's so much incredible content out there, that's 1089 01:11:48,030 --> 01:11:53,610 probably you're going to find so interesting or entertaining. But 1090 01:11:53,610 --> 01:11:56,850 you're never going to subscribe to that feed. And right now, 1091 01:11:56,850 --> 01:12:01,110 there's not really a way other than outside of the podcast that 1092 01:12:01,170 --> 01:12:05,220 just in, you know, word of mouth to discover that content. 1093 01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:11,010 Now, when, okay, so if a new user comes into fountain, the 1094 01:12:11,010 --> 01:12:14,430 activity feed is not assumed because it's a glow. It's a 1095 01:12:14,430 --> 01:12:19,500 global baller boosts curated feed, that that new users 1096 01:12:19,500 --> 01:12:22,770 activity feed is not blank, when they show up, it comes in with 1097 01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:24,030 with a lot of stuff there. 1098 01:12:25,170 --> 01:12:30,030 Yeah, so along with the, there's, I guess there's four 1099 01:12:30,030 --> 01:12:36,450 things that go into the activity feed. The first is activity from 1100 01:12:36,480 --> 01:12:41,160 people that you follow, which will be empty, if you're a brand 1101 01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:46,980 new user. The second is the $1 boost from the last three days, 1102 01:12:46,980 --> 01:12:49,980 which you will always see that'll be in there for a new 1103 01:12:49,980 --> 01:12:57,270 user. And then the the third thing is clips that are that 1104 01:12:57,270 --> 01:13:02,580 have been liked, you know, a lot in the last, you know, whatever 1105 01:13:02,580 --> 01:13:05,310 time period, so you can see clips because we want to 1106 01:13:05,310 --> 01:13:10,020 introduce the clipping feature to new users. And then the final 1107 01:13:10,020 --> 01:13:12,870 thing is promotions as well. So that's what you'll see. And it 1108 01:13:12,870 --> 01:13:14,820 will be jumbled up in the feed. 1109 01:13:17,790 --> 01:13:25,020 So that is my next question is Is the activity feed available 1110 01:13:25,050 --> 01:13:30,060 in some external way? Like, could I, but I look at the 1111 01:13:30,060 --> 01:13:33,210 activity feed is you have there's an API or something that 1112 01:13:33,210 --> 01:13:36,270 I can look at that? Or is that still private to the app? 1113 01:13:38,190 --> 01:13:43,140 It's still private to the app right now. But yeah, as I said 1114 01:13:43,140 --> 01:13:47,550 before, I think, you know, the real power of these features is 1115 01:13:47,550 --> 01:13:51,990 if they work between the apps. So the only reason that it's 1116 01:13:51,990 --> 01:13:55,200 still private is because we haven't figured out exactly how 1117 01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,050 we're going to share that data between that. But yeah, at some 1118 01:13:58,050 --> 01:14:04,320 point, I envision that, you know, you'll be able to read 1119 01:14:04,980 --> 01:14:08,340 that data, you know, for us, because we also have the show 1120 01:14:08,340 --> 01:14:12,150 feeds as well. So if you go and find the show, you'll be able to 1121 01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:16,500 see the feed for that show. So, you know, if, if another app 1122 01:14:16,500 --> 01:14:22,170 wanted to read the show feed from fountain, they could do 1123 01:14:22,170 --> 01:14:26,310 that. And hopefully we could read that same show feed from 1124 01:14:26,340 --> 01:14:28,680 another app and we just all merged them. 1125 01:14:29,070 --> 01:14:30,420 Now that's not a bad idea. 1126 01:14:31,020 --> 01:14:33,780 Yeah, cuz that you know, like that. They've been forever 1127 01:14:33,780 --> 01:14:38,850 obsessed with trying to get trying to get data about what 1128 01:14:38,850 --> 01:14:42,300 shows are being listened to popularity, things like that, 1129 01:14:42,300 --> 01:14:47,160 like real real popularity, not, not charts, not not things that 1130 01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:49,950 you know, oh, Apple says these are your top podcasts or Spotify 1131 01:14:49,950 --> 01:14:53,430 says your top podcasts like real data from actual people 1132 01:14:53,430 --> 01:14:56,820 listening to stuff and sharing it, clipping it, boosting it, 1133 01:14:56,820 --> 01:15:00,960 whatever the signals are. And you know that If I had a way to 1134 01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:07,170 just, if I had a way to, to see, you know, the 100% anonymized 1135 01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:10,830 data just like, you know, hey, this show is just really, this 1136 01:15:10,830 --> 01:15:14,550 episode is really popular in our app right now, you know, I get, 1137 01:15:14,550 --> 01:15:18,720 I don't give two craps about, like, who's boosting it, or 1138 01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:22,980 who's sharing it or clipping it from us from an index directory 1139 01:15:22,980 --> 01:15:26,670 standpoint, I just want to know what it is, you know, I want to 1140 01:15:26,670 --> 01:15:31,440 know what it is. So that I can say, you know, so I can in an 1141 01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:36,030 hour, you know, crude ranking, give that higher priority, 1142 01:15:36,060 --> 01:15:39,720 because clearly, it may be something people are excited 1143 01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:43,470 about whatever this is, in that may be across, you know, five or 1144 01:15:43,470 --> 01:15:46,860 six different apps, you know, I would love to just be constantly 1145 01:15:46,860 --> 01:15:53,580 polling those, those sort of popularity feeds to say, okay, 1146 01:15:53,580 --> 01:15:56,970 these are the shows episodes and feeds that are that people are 1147 01:15:56,970 --> 01:16:01,530 listening to the most now, to have a recent list because I'm 1148 01:16:01,530 --> 01:16:06,900 not happy with the bias. Every every app has bias, you know, 1149 01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:11,970 our directory has bias. Because, you know, we see so much 1150 01:16:11,970 --> 01:16:15,780 activity with podcasting 2.0 oriented shows, and Bitcoin 1151 01:16:15,780 --> 01:16:19,650 oriented shows and things like that. So, you know, that's not 1152 01:16:19,650 --> 01:16:23,430 necessarily representative of what's going on across 1153 01:16:23,970 --> 01:16:26,880 across podcast, what is the what is the output you want from 1154 01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:27,360 that, Dave? 1155 01:16:28,140 --> 01:16:31,200 I want to I want to be able to amalgamate all of those things, 1156 01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:33,570 you know, I would love to just have these have these feed 1157 01:16:33,570 --> 01:16:39,450 activity, so that then I could produce an in a single endpoint 1158 01:16:40,110 --> 01:16:44,670 that people could pull, that would say, Okay, over the last 1159 01:16:44,670 --> 01:16:49,410 30 days, or less, seven days or three days, these are the fields 1160 01:16:49,410 --> 01:16:52,920 that have been that have had just tons of activity. Okay, 1161 01:16:52,950 --> 01:16:56,550 because that's, to me, that's a good, that's a the most organic 1162 01:16:56,550 --> 01:16:57,990 discovery mechanism that you can 1163 01:16:57,990 --> 01:17:02,070 find. I disagree with that. But okay. Well, I 1164 01:17:02,070 --> 01:17:05,670 mean, I guess the most organic is word of mouth. But like, yes, 1165 01:17:06,060 --> 01:17:09,150 what I mean is like, when it comes to algorithmic, that's as 1166 01:17:09,150 --> 01:17:13,230 close to organic as you can get, is, if you're saying if people 1167 01:17:13,230 --> 01:17:15,900 are when people start following, you know, following shows, 1168 01:17:15,900 --> 01:17:18,780 listening to episodes, and that kind of thing, is that data 1169 01:17:18,780 --> 01:17:24,150 comes back out of the app. And, and I can see it, and then 1170 01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:28,440 disseminate that back out to, you know, everybody else. 1171 01:17:29,130 --> 01:17:33,240 That's, that is sort of, it evens the bar, it evens out the 1172 01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:37,140 bias, it levels it out to where there's there's everybody's 1173 01:17:37,140 --> 01:17:40,560 biases are becoming equal, which means you have normalized and 1174 01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:40,680 this 1175 01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:50,160 is interesting. I personally, I think the app itself has bias 1176 01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:56,910 built in. So fountain is clearly an app that has a certain user 1177 01:17:56,910 --> 01:18:01,020 group, because of its because of what it's been doing early on. 1178 01:18:01,470 --> 01:18:06,240 And I think found pod bursts has, has its own user group, 1179 01:18:06,540 --> 01:18:11,730 which is very different. And I'm not so sure that I mean, I 1180 01:18:11,730 --> 01:18:14,250 understand what you would want to see it, I just don't know if 1181 01:18:14,250 --> 01:18:17,820 I'd be interested in a feed that is from all these apps. And it's 1182 01:18:18,870 --> 01:18:21,930 to me, it's more interesting what you're listening to. I want 1183 01:18:21,930 --> 01:18:26,280 to know that. I hear you like snap some data, I get it, I get 1184 01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:27,330 it. Well, 1185 01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,680 normalized bias. That's what our MPP That's right, normalized, 1186 01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:35,160 normalized bias. That's what I want. I want normalized by the 1187 01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:41,160 way that you will see, you know, because I guess you okay, here's 1188 01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:47,070 my concern. And this, this leads into a bigger discussion. I put 1189 01:18:47,070 --> 01:18:52,500 in this thing today into the stats, a tweak the stats, and 1190 01:18:52,500 --> 01:18:55,830 then now has an extra set of data in there. These are the 1191 01:18:55,830 --> 01:18:59,910 hourly and daily stat counts, that people are pulling from the 1192 01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:03,660 Todd wanted days, and so we've produced them. So this is like 1193 01:19:03,690 --> 01:19:06,420 feeds with new episodes every three days, every seven days, 10 1194 01:19:06,420 --> 01:19:10,260 days, blah, blah, blah. What's bothered me for a long time is 1195 01:19:10,260 --> 01:19:19,380 that anchor skews, these numbers are so hard. They they have so 1196 01:19:19,380 --> 01:19:25,830 many junk feeds on a daily basis that it's it's noisy, it's it's 1197 01:19:25,830 --> 01:19:33,030 pure noise. So what I've wanted is a way to, to have stats that 1198 01:19:33,060 --> 01:19:38,460 exclude that. That is, first of all exclude anchor just because 1199 01:19:38,490 --> 01:19:42,210 it skews things too hard. Right now it's a virus in the badass 1200 01:19:42,210 --> 01:19:49,050 industrial complex. But then, on a bigger scale, hopefully we can 1201 01:19:49,050 --> 01:19:53,460 get the new tag that I've proposed that allows hosting 1202 01:19:53,460 --> 01:19:57,210 companies to indicate whether or not a feed is paid for or free. 1203 01:19:57,480 --> 01:20:01,020 Yeah, so I would like to produce two different One sets of stats, 1204 01:20:01,020 --> 01:20:05,310 essentially, one that's just totals across the board totals 1205 01:20:05,310 --> 01:20:09,570 no and no, nope, cherrypicking. But then another set of stats 1206 01:20:09,570 --> 01:20:13,320 that says, These are the, these are the feeds that people have 1207 01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:17,220 paid for this appears that, you know, they've gone to a hosting 1208 01:20:17,220 --> 01:20:20,550 company or they've done something. Basically, there the 1209 01:20:20,550 --> 01:20:24,360 feeds that don't, don't have that are not labeled by the 1210 01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:28,890 hosting company as a free or trial account, which, in my 1211 01:20:29,010 --> 01:20:33,960 opinion, 99.9% of anchor should have that tag within it. These 1212 01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:39,330 are all free or trial accounts, essentially. And so that's, 1213 01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:42,870 that's what I want. Well, that. That's the bias. That's an 1214 01:20:42,870 --> 01:20:46,170 example of the type of bias I'm trying to control for here. 1215 01:20:46,410 --> 01:20:51,300 Because when if you take something like fountain, the 1216 01:20:51,300 --> 01:20:57,030 understandably, in it for a good reason, and it's beneficial to 1217 01:20:57,030 --> 01:21:02,400 be this way. There's a strong bias towards Bitcoin podcasting 1218 01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:07,980 there. And that's, that's good. Except that law, I guess, I 1219 01:21:07,980 --> 01:21:11,040 think on a long enough time scale, you don't want to be 1220 01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:15,990 hamstrung. By that bias, you want to, you want to go above 1221 01:21:15,990 --> 01:21:19,920 that bias. And the same thing with POD verse or any of the 1222 01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:26,760 other apps, if you if your bias becomes too strong, you end up 1223 01:21:28,650 --> 01:21:30,990 limiting your audience because they think a book is going to 1224 01:21:30,990 --> 01:21:34,980 get in there all they see at the top is just this one flavor of 1225 01:21:34,980 --> 01:21:39,240 show. And I'm not saying that you don't you have that as part 1226 01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:42,630 of your as part of your exposed data. But then it would be 1227 01:21:42,630 --> 01:21:46,560 really nice if you had this other more normalized set of 1228 01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:50,100 data, that you could say, Okay, well, he and you can mix that in 1229 01:21:50,100 --> 01:21:52,770 so that it doesn't look like your bias doesn't stand out as 1230 01:21:52,770 --> 01:21:53,100 much. 1231 01:21:53,370 --> 01:21:56,910 I'm gonna ask this question, and I'm trying to sign sound as kind 1232 01:21:56,910 --> 01:22:06,030 as possible. Thanks. No, don't don't do that. Who is the 1233 01:22:06,030 --> 01:22:11,610 intended audience for the steps? Because I, there's so much 1234 01:22:12,090 --> 01:22:17,100 energy and effort goes into this. But the main users seem to 1235 01:22:17,100 --> 01:22:23,040 be Todd, and James, who I'm just trying to understand who is this 1236 01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:24,000 really for? 1237 01:22:25,110 --> 01:22:33,060 Is it is it's for? It's for everybody. It okay, there's so a 1238 01:22:33,060 --> 01:22:39,090 two part answer. Answer number answer. Number one, is, it's for 1239 01:22:39,090 --> 01:22:44,160 everyone. Everyone in the podcast industrial complex, to 1240 01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:47,670 see what some actual real numbers may look like that are 1241 01:22:47,670 --> 01:22:52,320 not, that don't, that are not influenced by somebody's agenda. 1242 01:22:52,620 --> 01:22:56,490 Because I really have none. I don't even care that much about 1243 01:22:56,490 --> 01:22:59,430 the about stats. So I'm the perfect guy to put stats 1244 01:22:59,430 --> 01:23:02,700 together, because I don't care about stats, that the second one 1245 01:23:02,700 --> 01:23:10,260 is is for me, because I'm I've just I'm uncomfortable. There's 1246 01:23:10,260 --> 01:23:15,720 something the what I see as far as numbers go, bother me on a 1247 01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:25,500 consistent basis. Because, you know, it's like, it's like it is 1248 01:23:25,500 --> 01:23:31,200 with, with with some? Well, it's like it is with with YouTube, 1249 01:23:31,890 --> 01:23:39,030 you can say, Oh, well, you know, we had 20 million hours of video 1250 01:23:39,030 --> 01:23:45,270 uploaded every single day. Okay, well, if only if only 1000 hours 1251 01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:49,650 of that videos ever watched within the number is bullshit. 1252 01:23:50,700 --> 01:23:55,260 And I don't like existing in a place where I think the numbers 1253 01:23:55,950 --> 01:23:59,220 are grossly skewed in a way that I can't get my head around 1254 01:23:59,220 --> 01:24:03,060 what's actually happening. So it's more as more of a of an 1255 01:24:03,060 --> 01:24:08,250 obsession to try to get some idea. I mean, we run an index of 1256 01:24:08,610 --> 01:24:12,120 where we're trying to see every every podcast in the whole world 1257 01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:18,030 that exists. And if I think that the numbers I'm seeing are just 1258 01:24:18,030 --> 01:24:25,770 flat out wrong or in are not indicative of what's really 1259 01:24:25,770 --> 01:24:29,220 going on, because, okay, the discussion we had at the 1260 01:24:29,220 --> 01:24:33,000 beginning of the show today about Google, Google podcasts 1261 01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:36,240 and you know, okay, podcasting is starting to flatten out, you 1262 01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:38,760 know, the grow, the hyper growth is not there, blah, blah, blah. 1263 01:24:39,180 --> 01:24:43,170 I really would like to see that indicated in the actual numbers. 1264 01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:50,760 So again, I, as I stated, I understand why you want it I 1265 01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:54,210 just see an enormous amount of energy going into this that is 1266 01:24:54,210 --> 01:25:02,040 really only used for a headline in an article I as a podcaster. 1267 01:25:02,550 --> 01:25:06,540 I don't I have no benefit. I don't maybe maybe it should 1268 01:25:06,540 --> 01:25:09,330 hasn't presented been presented to me in a way that that is 1269 01:25:09,330 --> 01:25:13,350 interesting. As a I don't know, if an app developer, I mean, it 1270 01:25:13,350 --> 01:25:17,580 seems like hosting companies want this information for 1271 01:25:17,580 --> 01:25:21,570 competitive reasons to compare to their own internal numbers. 1272 01:25:21,570 --> 01:25:25,710 How are we doing? And journalists? I'm just trying to 1273 01:25:25,710 --> 01:25:28,710 understand the actual intended audience besides yourself, which 1274 01:25:28,710 --> 01:25:31,830 is completely valid. If you if you just want me 1275 01:25:31,890 --> 01:25:34,410 if you just let me give you this cool. Let me give you a 1276 01:25:34,410 --> 01:25:37,350 comparison. So here's here's the numbers coming out, right, 1277 01:25:37,410 --> 01:25:40,590 coming out of this right now feeds with new episodes, in the 1278 01:25:40,590 --> 01:25:47,340 last 90 days 490,960. Fees with new episodes in the last 90 1279 01:25:47,340 --> 01:25:54,240 days, the Exclude anchor 359,815. So you're talking about 1280 01:25:54,240 --> 01:26:01,380 150,000 Less podcasts that have produced a new episode in the 1281 01:26:01,380 --> 01:26:05,070 last 90 days, if you take anchor out of that equation, okay, to 1282 01:26:05,070 --> 01:26:08,910 me, that's a logarithmic difference in the number in the 1283 01:26:08,910 --> 01:26:14,400 numbers here. So we're talking about, we're talking about big 1284 01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:17,760 differences in the numbers. And if people are just looking at, 1285 01:26:17,820 --> 01:26:20,730 if they're looking at headline stats, it's sort of like CPR 1286 01:26:20,730 --> 01:26:23,730 versus, you know, headline inflation or whatever. Versus 1287 01:26:23,730 --> 01:26:27,810 core inflation. Like, I don't I think we all know that, you 1288 01:26:27,810 --> 01:26:33,150 know, that 7% Inflation is BS. Like, give me the real No, no, 1289 01:26:33,150 --> 01:26:35,610 no, give me the real numbers. Okay. Right. 1290 01:26:36,389 --> 01:26:38,849 But inflation is something different, because Inflation 1291 01:26:38,849 --> 01:26:42,629 affects people. Well, they have a number of the number of 1292 01:26:42,629 --> 01:26:48,299 episodes, the number of feeds on Anchor, that are, or the number 1293 01:26:48,299 --> 01:26:52,079 of shows with more than a feed with more than it just doesn't 1294 01:26:52,079 --> 01:26:54,689 matter to me. And that's what I'm just trying to understand 1295 01:26:54,929 --> 01:26:57,719 why I wanted you because you're not a hosting company. So okay, 1296 01:26:57,719 --> 01:27:01,199 thank you. There's my answer. At the end, so the intended 1297 01:27:01,409 --> 01:27:06,209 audience is hosting companies. And that's okay, that's, that's 1298 01:27:06,239 --> 01:27:07,739 that was the question I asked 1299 01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:11,400 a nut, not just hosting companies, hosting companies, 1300 01:27:11,610 --> 01:27:15,150 into anybody interested in building a product within the 1301 01:27:15,150 --> 01:27:20,340 podcast world. If I think I think it's nice to know real 1302 01:27:20,340 --> 01:27:24,120 numbers, so that when you start to go into these things, you 1303 01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:27,030 don't feel like you're building a service. If you go in, you 1304 01:27:27,030 --> 01:27:30,570 say, oh, man, there's a half a million feeds put, you know, 1305 01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:34,800 shows posting new episodes every, every 90 days, you're 1306 01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:38,160 like, Okay, we're gonna build our, we're gonna build our MVP 1307 01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:40,860 of our new product based on these, you know, these big 1308 01:27:40,860 --> 01:27:44,730 numbers. If the numbers are far less, if the real numbers are 1309 01:27:44,730 --> 01:27:48,810 far less, you may not, you may decide not to even build that 1310 01:27:48,810 --> 01:27:53,580 product. Like, I guess what I'm uncomfortable with is people are 1311 01:27:53,580 --> 01:27:57,870 starting to take our numbers. I see our numbers everywhere. And 1312 01:27:57,870 --> 01:28:01,980 I don't want that to mislead somebody into thinking that the 1313 01:28:01,980 --> 01:28:07,110 podcast ecosystem can support a product that they may think 1314 01:28:07,110 --> 01:28:12,270 otherwise about. If they had better numbers, okay. Okay. 1315 01:28:13,440 --> 01:28:18,120 General, I don't like aggregate anything. But I think I feel 1316 01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:20,520 like if this one is going to be out there, and it's going to be 1317 01:28:20,700 --> 01:28:22,800 people can download it to a database and look at it. I feel 1318 01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:25,500 like we sort of owe it to people to give him the most accurate 1319 01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:26,250 statistics 1320 01:28:27,450 --> 01:28:36,330 that are completely valid. Okay, cool. Solve now, because I mean, 1321 01:28:36,330 --> 01:28:42,210 for me, I like the I like it. I don't like it in a way. I don't 1322 01:28:42,210 --> 01:28:48,120 like leaderboards in general. But I'm always happy to see the 1323 01:28:48,150 --> 01:28:51,510 fountain top 10 This week, or whatever it is, I love seeing 1324 01:28:51,510 --> 01:28:56,250 that, just because there's excitement around it, and and it 1325 01:28:56,250 --> 01:28:58,920 excites the podcaster and excites the people who are 1326 01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:02,790 listening to those podcasts that that excitement is I really like 1327 01:29:02,790 --> 01:29:09,150 seeing that. So whenever I think stats, I think there was an 1328 01:29:09,150 --> 01:29:13,920 interesting conversation on I think, the pod news weekly 1329 01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:18,690 review, formerly known as what was the thing called again, I 1330 01:29:18,690 --> 01:29:22,800 forgot what it used to be called pod lane, pod land, right? You 1331 01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:26,610 know about length of time listen, which of course we have 1332 01:29:26,610 --> 01:29:29,220 that information too. And there's, you know, there's two 1333 01:29:29,220 --> 01:29:33,300 stats packages, I look at an A, it's phenomenal to see where 1334 01:29:33,300 --> 01:29:36,210 people are dropping off and where they're coming back in or 1335 01:29:36,210 --> 01:29:39,630 at all and where booths happen. That to me is a podcast or 1336 01:29:39,630 --> 01:29:42,300 someone who's producing programming. That's the kind of 1337 01:29:42,300 --> 01:29:45,060 stuff that that really excites me. So I was just trying to 1338 01:29:45,060 --> 01:29:49,050 understand the intended audience totally get it. It's mainly and 1339 01:29:49,050 --> 01:29:52,170 I understand why you want it since we're producing stats, you 1340 01:29:52,170 --> 01:29:55,290 want to have the best stats, I got it. It makes total sense to 1341 01:29:55,290 --> 01:29:55,530 me. 1342 01:29:57,810 --> 01:30:09,120 Yeah. How's that coffee? Oscar okay sorry we get we get 1343 01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:10,620 distracted with shiny things sometimes 1344 01:30:10,650 --> 01:30:17,850 yeah we do we do but it's okay and and I saw the Spurlock page 1345 01:30:17,910 --> 01:30:22,890 Pro I think it's from December from Livewire the way he laid 1346 01:30:22,890 --> 01:30:27,210 out the stats that you produced That's That's sexy to look at 1347 01:30:27,210 --> 01:30:32,790 man. That's really cool. But it but it missed the top was a 1348 01:30:32,790 --> 01:30:35,580 called thing was literally called Top podcast hosting COMM 1349 01:30:35,580 --> 01:30:40,560 Now that's not it which one was it the stats? Podcast index 1350 01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:41,970 statistics visualized. 1351 01:30:43,260 --> 01:30:47,550 Yeah, that's the one that that's actually what made me do put 1352 01:30:47,550 --> 01:30:50,160 this stuff in there. It didn't really take that long because I 1353 01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:55,950 was I saw that I was like, Man that just looks, I feel I have 1354 01:30:55,950 --> 01:31:01,290 got this gut feeling that is, this is misleading. Because I 1355 01:31:01,290 --> 01:31:05,880 literally I look at I look at if you saw the river of nonsense 1356 01:31:07,050 --> 01:31:12,210 coming out of anchor Yeah, you would be like, now, you know, 1357 01:31:12,210 --> 01:31:15,660 I've actually thought about just not even including anchor 1358 01:31:15,660 --> 01:31:19,800 podcasts at all. Unless they have an iTunes ID associated 1359 01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:24,180 with them. It's that bad. It's a river of garbage. How 1360 01:31:24,210 --> 01:31:29,100 what is the discrepancy between the value for value page on 1361 01:31:29,100 --> 01:31:34,260 podcast index, which shows 10,957 versus the numbers from 1362 01:31:34,260 --> 01:31:39,930 December 3 In this live wire, which shows 11,280? 1363 01:31:42,270 --> 01:31:47,400 No idea. Okay. I'll have to I will resolve this discrepancy. 1364 01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:48,030 Yeah, 1365 01:31:48,090 --> 01:31:50,670 I mean, because that I mean, that's the number I look at. And 1366 01:31:50,730 --> 01:31:56,070 so I from first from a statistic standpoint, here's here's the 1367 01:31:56,070 --> 01:31:59,820 stats, I really am interested in love looking at value blocks, 1368 01:31:59,820 --> 01:32:03,960 transcripts, funding tags, chapters, music, medium of music 1369 01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:08,310 medium of video. That's the stuff that I would like. I would 1370 01:32:08,310 --> 01:32:12,090 just say, when you're doing stats, as a participant, I would 1371 01:32:12,090 --> 01:32:15,600 love to see that. That's interesting to me. Those are 1372 01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:16,290 really cool. One 1373 01:32:16,290 --> 01:32:21,360 thing one thing that would be cool to see as well is you could 1374 01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:25,050 have like a shame leaderboard for all the hosting companies 1375 01:32:25,740 --> 01:32:30,150 for each tag, so you could rank the hosting companies based on 1376 01:32:30,150 --> 01:32:33,630 the percentage of their feeds that implement each tag. 1377 01:32:34,860 --> 01:32:40,590 I don't really like shaming people but at least know how you 1378 01:32:40,590 --> 01:32:42,150 think Oscar real nice 1379 01:32:44,910 --> 01:32:50,190 wash a shame activity feed. Like for all the for all the found 1380 01:32:50,190 --> 01:32:54,990 listeners that don't boost Hmm. There you go. This is the guy 1381 01:32:54,990 --> 01:32:57,810 that's been at the spin on fountain the longest and has 1382 01:32:57,810 --> 01:32:58,170 hasn't been 1383 01:32:58,170 --> 01:33:04,440 has been boosted any. Yeah. Huh. Okay. You want to thanks for 1384 01:33:04,440 --> 01:33:07,770 people? Yeah, definitely. We've been getting a lot of boosts 1385 01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:10,920 coming in during the show. You've probably heard the little 1386 01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:14,220 sounds. And that's usually when there's a booster Graham coming 1387 01:33:14,220 --> 01:33:21,030 in. Let's see, Martin Linda's Coke is over boosting 1776 We 1388 01:33:21,030 --> 01:33:26,400 have kinnexa 12345. Thank you very much. says Hey, Oh, cheers, 1389 01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:32,280 Rene. We got Mike dell 54321. Blueberries really close to 1390 01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:35,460 launching a bunch of new podcasting 2.0 stuff next week? 1391 01:33:35,460 --> 01:33:38,310 Yes. Todd has been talking about this. Do we have a an actual 1392 01:33:38,310 --> 01:33:40,770 list of what he's going to be the crack and they're releasing 1393 01:33:40,770 --> 01:33:45,180 the crack and they're releasing the crack and we have dreads 1394 01:33:45,210 --> 01:33:49,500 Dred Scott. Hello, Dred Scott. 123456 1395 01:33:50,580 --> 01:33:54,390 Sakala 20 is blades only Impala 1396 01:33:54,480 --> 01:34:02,040 and he just says go podcasting. Thanks. Yeah, thank you so much, 1397 01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:08,520 Dr. Martin Linda's cog with a row of ducks. Martin I'm not 1398 01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:13,110 gonna read every single time you boost. Eric TP Eric peepee who 1399 01:34:13,110 --> 01:34:17,640 has actually been quite helpful in the in the chat today. 33,333 1400 01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:24,660 Blueberry with a swing and a row of dicks another 117 1776 Live 1401 01:34:24,660 --> 01:34:32,310 chapters he liked that idea. Okay. Martin says I wonder if I 1402 01:34:32,310 --> 01:34:34,470 can listen to your podcast at the same time I'm writing the 1403 01:34:34,470 --> 01:34:37,590 show notes for episode Okay. I'm going to try and read the ones 1404 01:34:37,590 --> 01:34:41,400 that are relevant is another blueberry and Oscar we're very 1405 01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:43,890 much looking forward to going live and fountain there's 1406 01:34:43,890 --> 01:34:46,740 numerous lit no agenda streams that are coming to chew 1407 01:34:46,740 --> 01:34:49,500 bubblegum and kick ass now where's the GM? He says all 1408 01:34:49,500 --> 01:34:57,240 right. Contracts was 6969 and we were talking what do we have a 1409 01:34:57,270 --> 01:35:02,400 back and forth with them Was it more it's from, from get Alby 1410 01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:05,610 about helping them morning onboarding? Yeah, that's that's 1411 01:35:05,610 --> 01:35:09,930 very What a cool idea. So the to do list him Yes. So the stat 1412 01:35:09,930 --> 01:35:14,970 your stats package would actually help you onboard. And 1413 01:35:14,970 --> 01:35:18,990 why not? Doesn't have to be an app doesn't have to be podcast 1414 01:35:18,990 --> 01:35:21,510 or wallet can be any kind of service who can onboard? Yeah, I 1415 01:35:21,510 --> 01:35:26,820 like that very much. Let me see there's Bumi still showcasing 1416 01:35:26,820 --> 01:35:30,450 booster grams with 5000 SATs two times. Five 5000 SATs Thank you 1417 01:35:30,450 --> 01:35:34,470 Bhoomi 30,000 from the tone record so much info coming 1418 01:35:34,470 --> 01:35:37,200 through in the past week with the medium music tag, trying to 1419 01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:40,440 follow RSS feeds from the New Wave leg V four v music site 1420 01:35:40,440 --> 01:35:43,020 helped me see how they coded my releases there. We'll be able to 1421 01:35:43,020 --> 01:35:47,010 compare that against tone record tracks podcast feed, so I expect 1422 01:35:47,010 --> 01:35:50,940 a full report for the board meeting by the next next time we 1423 01:35:50,940 --> 01:35:55,380 come together tone wrecker. I'd really like to see it working 1424 01:35:55,620 --> 01:36:00,840 across the board. And I have no idea if I mean, the interface 1425 01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:03,810 that Brees has is completely different from the from the web, 1426 01:36:03,810 --> 01:36:08,910 and we'll have to see. Dobby does 25,000 SATs Thank you very 1427 01:36:08,910 --> 01:36:13,860 much. We have lightning maximalists Oh, that's for no 1428 01:36:13,860 --> 01:36:19,620 agenda. I'm sorry. 25,000 from bore log, Borlaug thank you for 1429 01:36:19,620 --> 01:36:21,300 everything you're doing especially all the teaching 1430 01:36:21,300 --> 01:36:27,930 you're doing along the way. Yes, very nice. We have I think that 1431 01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:30,990 is Yeah, then I get to the delimiter so that's what's been 1432 01:36:30,990 --> 01:36:35,190 boosting live as we've been live for the past one hour and 36 1433 01:36:35,190 --> 01:36:39,510 minutes Shall we thank the rest of our donors for our value for 1434 01:36:39,510 --> 01:36:41,310 value segment 1435 01:36:41,700 --> 01:36:46,890 we shall the we get one new subscription monthly 1436 01:36:46,890 --> 01:36:52,080 subscription on PayPal from Trevor at Z nor partners limited 1437 01:36:52,620 --> 01:36:53,970 $5 A month thank 1438 01:36:53,970 --> 01:36:56,580 you very much yeah that's that's a whole server these days. 1439 01:36:57,120 --> 01:37:01,200 Yes thank you very much Trevor. And we've got that was only pay 1440 01:37:01,200 --> 01:37:04,680 pal we got in one off this week. We got a bunch of histograms 1441 01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:08,970 though we got hard hat 33 Oh 33 No note from hard hat 1442 01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:10,890 sorry about 1443 01:37:11,550 --> 01:37:16,470 that some contracts in the background. Okay, we get are you 1444 01:37:16,470 --> 01:37:20,610 sitting down we get Farscape Ian Yeah 300,000 says 1445 01:37:23,010 --> 01:37:25,680 20 is Blaze only him Paulo I 1446 01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:28,290 think with the bitcoin price now that's a new car 1447 01:37:31,170 --> 01:37:34,230 fountain Speak of the devil love the show. Y'all may be 1448 01:37:34,230 --> 01:37:36,960 interested in a project I've been working on called Sovereign 1449 01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:40,590 stack and helps you self hosted Bitcoin only value for value 1450 01:37:40,590 --> 01:37:45,150 websites. Check it out sovereign dash stack.org And yeah, 1451 01:37:45,180 --> 01:37:47,940 I have seen him show up is very interesting. A lot of people 1452 01:37:47,940 --> 01:37:51,030 will dig in the stuff he put together they're so nice. I 1453 01:37:51,030 --> 01:37:52,830 haven't seen that nice package. 1454 01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:59,670 And lots of package talk today. Mere Mortals podcast 2222 Road 1455 01:37:59,670 --> 01:38:02,520 dogs through fountain he says gotta agree with Adam, but put 1456 01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:06,150 timestamps in my show notes in parentheses from my podcasts to 1457 01:38:06,150 --> 01:38:09,900 satisfy YouTube and Spotify. This was when I first started 1458 01:38:09,900 --> 01:38:12,810 off though and was desperate to do anything to make it a better 1459 01:38:12,810 --> 01:38:16,680 experience for my non existent audience. Now that is in 1460 01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:22,290 reference to our stop molesting your show notes. Ah, yes. Cole 1461 01:38:22,290 --> 01:38:27,600 McCormick through fountain is in his 5555 SAS he says mentioning 1462 01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:31,320 the fountain charts I saw my show at number 39 For most 1463 01:38:31,350 --> 01:38:34,950 supported around New Year's fountain is the way rocket ship 1464 01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:39,480 listen to America plus rocket ship. Yes, America plus 1465 01:38:39,510 --> 01:38:41,280 to the moon to the moon. 1466 01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:45,750 Jean been 2222 through Fontanini says multiple years of uptime on 1467 01:38:45,750 --> 01:38:48,450 Adams server is a good use case for the newest Colonel live 1468 01:38:48,450 --> 01:38:51,270 patching functionality. Most distributions have. That is a 1469 01:38:51,270 --> 01:38:56,310 good point. Oh, very good point. Satchel of Richards from Joe W. 1470 01:38:56,310 --> 01:39:04,230 1111. Note. Thank you, Joe. Oh, boy. 54321 through breeze and he 1471 01:39:04,230 --> 01:39:07,410 says Check out the new breeze SDK. Ooh, 1472 01:39:08,010 --> 01:39:12,840 I didn't know that they have an SDK. Oh. Oh, wait, wait, wait. 1473 01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:16,380 Whoa. Oh, we didn't get a moment memo about this. What's 1474 01:39:16,380 --> 01:39:16,770 happening? 1475 01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:20,820 Yeah. Yeah, he probably said it on telegram. Then I don't open 1476 01:39:20,820 --> 01:39:27,150 telegram check out the new breeze SDK and making a note to 1477 01:39:27,150 --> 01:39:30,570 go check it out. And add noncustodial lightning payments 1478 01:39:30,570 --> 01:39:33,450 to your app. Okay, well, 1479 01:39:34,950 --> 01:39:39,300 we oh, here we go. Lightning as a service. Is this the long 1480 01:39:39,300 --> 01:39:41,520 awaited Lightning as a service? 1481 01:39:42,540 --> 01:39:45,030 I don't know. I'm gonna I'm gonna holler at Roy since you 1482 01:39:45,030 --> 01:39:45,960 don't he says he doesn't. 1483 01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:51,900 Yeah, please. Do you become a design partner. Oh, okay. Oh, 1484 01:39:51,900 --> 01:39:56,100 this is this is it. This is the green light. Crucially, this SDK 1485 01:39:56,100 --> 01:39:59,100 is an end to end noncustodial drop in solution powered by 1486 01:39:59,100 --> 01:40:03,510 Greenlight hub. Built in LSP, on chain interoperability, third 1487 01:40:03,510 --> 01:40:06,630 party Fiat on ramps and other services, you operate the gap. 1488 01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:13,920 It's everything. It's everything you ever wanted. I came for the 1489 01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:16,620 apple pie and I got on boarded your breeze wants to help you 1490 01:40:16,620 --> 01:40:19,320 thrive in the p2p Lightning economy. That's why we're 1491 01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:23,310 developing this SDK developing keyword. It's the easiest way to 1492 01:40:23,310 --> 01:40:26,010 tailor lightning to your own environment, letting your users 1493 01:40:26,010 --> 01:40:29,580 send and receive p2p Bitcoin payments directly from your app. 1494 01:40:30,180 --> 01:40:30,810 Cool. 1495 01:40:31,440 --> 01:40:35,190 Yeah. We're gonna let it ROI on the show. No, no, 1496 01:40:35,250 --> 01:40:37,980 I'd love to have Roy on the show. Now, Oscar, 1497 01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:43,470 you switched some of your back end or maybe all of your back 1498 01:40:43,470 --> 01:40:45,810 end to Zebedee. Is that right? 1499 01:40:46,980 --> 01:40:51,210 Yeah, that's right. So we are still we still have our own node 1500 01:40:51,510 --> 01:40:56,400 on LM pay, which is, you know, it's our own node that we that 1501 01:40:56,400 --> 01:41:01,590 we run, but using Allen pays software. But we have switched 1502 01:41:01,620 --> 01:41:05,220 some of our back end over to Zebedee. 1503 01:41:06,300 --> 01:41:12,780 Okay, so I guess was it was a good choice for you. And, like, 1504 01:41:12,780 --> 01:41:16,260 what? What benefits? Are you getting out of that? Like, can 1505 01:41:16,260 --> 01:41:17,370 you tell me anything about it? 1506 01:41:18,750 --> 01:41:24,480 Yeah, so I guess the main benefit for us as a business as 1507 01:41:24,480 --> 01:41:31,920 an entity is the custodial risk. So Zebedee have the, you know, 1508 01:41:32,010 --> 01:41:38,160 the licenses, and all of the, you know, legal stuff to, you 1509 01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:42,270 know, legally custody people's funds. And so for us, that just 1510 01:41:42,420 --> 01:41:47,490 takes a lot of the risk out of what we're doing from a business 1511 01:41:47,490 --> 01:41:50,640 perspective, and lets us just focus on, you know, the 1512 01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:54,750 podcasting experience for users. And I think that's really 1513 01:41:54,750 --> 01:41:59,760 important as we grow, especially with the amount of the volumes 1514 01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:02,280 as they go up, you know, that was just something that was 1515 01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:06,810 quite, you know, weighing, weighing heavy, obviously, when 1516 01:42:06,810 --> 01:42:08,940 you're talking about moving people's money around, so that's 1517 01:42:08,940 --> 01:42:11,670 the main benefit. Okay. All right. 1518 01:42:11,670 --> 01:42:13,470 Cool. I love that you had done that. Yeah. 1519 01:42:13,650 --> 01:42:16,680 I love seeing the name Zebedee show up in my Bible. I didn't 1520 01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:17,940 know it was a cool name. 1521 01:42:20,490 --> 01:42:22,230 First, second, Zebedee. 1522 01:42:22,260 --> 01:42:27,120 Yeah, but no, no, I've been reading news and Bible study. 1523 01:42:27,540 --> 01:42:30,960 And I keep saying, Oh, well, this got this name for that 1524 01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:33,510 product from this and like, all these different names that I 1525 01:42:33,510 --> 01:42:36,150 see, like, I'm sure people like, Hey, man, we need to see if we 1526 01:42:36,150 --> 01:42:38,310 can find the domain name. Let's check the Bible. 1527 01:42:39,900 --> 01:42:48,450 Z Candela these eco wallet is a wallet. Oh, okay, Roy. Yeah, 1528 01:42:48,450 --> 01:42:51,720 well, well, I'll holler at you, Roy. Very cool, man. Very cool. 1529 01:42:52,110 --> 01:42:57,030 Dave Jackson. 10,000 SATs. Automatic. He says just got paid 1530 01:42:57,030 --> 01:43:00,840 today. Got me a pocketful of change. Go podcasting. Yo, yo, 1531 01:43:00,840 --> 01:43:07,260 yo. Let me ZZ Top reference from de Jepsen. Yeah. Todd from 1532 01:43:07,260 --> 01:43:11,190 Northern Virginia. 33 333 through breeze and he says, if 1533 01:43:11,190 --> 01:43:14,040 he's up for it, would love to hear Xavier on the show about 1534 01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:17,520 his plans for podcast addict and podcasting. 2.0 Yeah, I've 1535 01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:22,290 reached out to Xavier before and he very politely declined. said 1536 01:43:22,290 --> 01:43:25,980 that he's just not a he's just not the kind of guy that wants 1537 01:43:25,980 --> 01:43:26,610 to go. Oh, that's 1538 01:43:26,610 --> 01:43:29,400 cool. So we love what he's doing though. I love what he's doing. 1539 01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:32,310 Yeah, if you ever change your mind is a good place anytime. 1540 01:43:33,060 --> 01:43:37,560 Anytime. Anonymous 10,000 We get that two times a mere mortals 1541 01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:43,260 podcast long row of ducks Big O humongous duck 2222 is like 1542 01:43:43,260 --> 01:43:43,740 mountain it's 1543 01:43:43,740 --> 01:43:47,160 like a whole duck hunt. It's like the whole thing is gone 1544 01:43:47,160 --> 01:43:50,520 nuts with the ducks. Crazy ducks Disco Duck. 1545 01:43:51,180 --> 01:43:53,760 Really appreciate your firm stance of not accepting 1546 01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:56,670 sponsorships or outside money really does highlight how 1547 01:43:56,670 --> 01:43:58,830 special this project is when everyone else is doing their 1548 01:43:58,830 --> 01:44:02,100 Year in Review. Apologies if that for accepting money from 1549 01:44:02,100 --> 01:44:06,360 FTX blog slot blog fi insert X here. You guys are amazing. 1550 01:44:06,570 --> 01:44:14,130 100 my eyes it was 197 Members of Congress accepted money from 1551 01:44:14,160 --> 01:44:19,650 FTX almost a third of the US government of the lawmakers of 1552 01:44:19,650 --> 01:44:23,850 the US government took money from FTX that's it and it's 1553 01:44:23,850 --> 01:44:26,820 across the board and Republicans Democrats in I don't know about 1554 01:44:26,820 --> 01:44:32,400 independence, but it's it really is. It just shows you how broken 1555 01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:33,120 that is. 1556 01:44:33,420 --> 01:44:36,870 Bro Yeah, you broke your garbage guy probably took money from FTX 1557 01:44:36,870 --> 01:44:37,260 is that 1558 01:44:37,290 --> 01:44:39,450 it's really incredible. 1559 01:44:40,650 --> 01:44:44,580 Clark Ian 54321 through fountain and he says Keep up the great 1560 01:44:44,580 --> 01:44:48,600 work GG no re tabletop RPG podcast is back. Yay after a few 1561 01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:52,080 months of winter hibernation. Good show. That's my buddy show. 1562 01:44:52,350 --> 01:44:55,050 We plan to play and release episodes more regularly this 1563 01:44:55,050 --> 01:44:57,660 year. Now that we're lightning enabled, we hope to educate and 1564 01:44:57,660 --> 01:45:00,270 convert our patrons and drop Patreon altogether Give us a 1565 01:45:00,270 --> 01:45:05,370 listen. Yo whoa boost boost boost anonymous 10,000 sasco 1566 01:45:05,370 --> 01:45:08,010 podcasting go podcast 1567 01:45:09,599 --> 01:45:12,509 you know the anonymous I'm convinced that most of those are 1568 01:45:14,129 --> 01:45:18,179 pod verse because oh really yeah I think we've been with an 1569 01:45:18,179 --> 01:45:23,489 update somewhere I became anonymous to I sent like some 1570 01:45:23,489 --> 01:45:28,919 monster booster gram to new media show like 50,000 Another 1571 01:45:28,919 --> 01:45:35,789 50,000 as like anonymous 50,000 Anonymous. Oh I want my name 1572 01:45:35,789 --> 01:45:36,449 jacked 1573 01:45:36,870 --> 01:45:47,370 is may see 36,969 SATs from a citizen pod verse nice. And the 1574 01:45:47,370 --> 01:45:51,150 note is need to reassure the listeners that Richard Stallman 1575 01:45:51,150 --> 01:45:57,720 will not break into your home to break wind. Although he does cry 1576 01:45:57,720 --> 01:46:00,150 every time a user logs themselves into a proprietary 1577 01:46:00,150 --> 01:46:01,020 ecosystem 1578 01:46:03,270 --> 01:46:05,940 does anyone still know the Richard Stallman legend at this 1579 01:46:05,940 --> 01:46:09,570 point? I mean, he's getting up there in the years. 1580 01:46:09,930 --> 01:46:13,230 PS I apologize to anyone who gets offended at some of my 1581 01:46:13,230 --> 01:46:15,780 clips on pod verse. I just wanted to spread the 1582 01:46:15,780 --> 01:46:19,560 inspirational quotes that have given me hope. If I keep working 1583 01:46:19,560 --> 01:46:23,160 and boosting hard, perhaps I too will be able to obtain wood when 1584 01:46:23,160 --> 01:46:24,330 I'm Adams. Ah. 1585 01:46:25,230 --> 01:46:26,940 Wow man that's like 1586 01:46:29,970 --> 01:46:33,510 like this sloppiest backhanded compliment I've ever seen. 1587 01:46:33,870 --> 01:46:35,640 I'm not sure it is a compliment, but 1588 01:46:38,580 --> 01:46:44,790 nice. Okay. Yeah. Richard Stallman, man, the the epic 1589 01:46:44,790 --> 01:46:49,110 story of of his Is it his contract when he does a speaking 1590 01:46:49,110 --> 01:46:53,730 gig? You can Google that and find it online. Like when if he 1591 01:46:53,730 --> 01:46:58,950 agrees to speak you have to you know his speaking contract? The 1592 01:46:58,950 --> 01:47:02,100 stuff that's in it is quite humorous. 1593 01:47:02,490 --> 01:47:05,460 Oh, yeah. Oh, totally. Yeah, there's all kinds of thing and 1594 01:47:05,460 --> 01:47:08,670 he doesn't want a hotel room. He has to stay with somebody. I 1595 01:47:08,670 --> 01:47:09,210 mean, he 1596 01:47:09,690 --> 01:47:13,380 got special food for his parrot. Yeah, that he brings those 1597 01:47:13,380 --> 01:47:13,680 right. 1598 01:47:13,800 --> 01:47:16,500 I gotta give him props. He's very consistent about that. I'm 1599 01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:19,770 very high, high level appreciation for that. 1600 01:47:22,350 --> 01:47:26,790 Follow up from a citizen 6969 through pod verse. He says I 1601 01:47:26,790 --> 01:47:29,670 didn't forget to boost last show, but I was bamboozled. I'm 1602 01:47:29,670 --> 01:47:32,580 still on Team pod verse But sometimes the confetti is a lie. 1603 01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:35,820 Regarding the episode splits are not supported on pod verse 1604 01:47:35,820 --> 01:47:39,210 discussion. I take it to mean that boosting the lid doesn't 1605 01:47:39,210 --> 01:47:41,040 respect the episode split. 1606 01:47:43,710 --> 01:47:50,460 So Mitch did clarify this. That pod verse as long as it's in the 1607 01:47:50,490 --> 01:47:54,810 RSS feed then it does respect the splits yet yes. Right. Okay. 1608 01:47:54,810 --> 01:47:59,640 So wishes of always the always the source of truth. 1609 01:48:00,540 --> 01:48:02,640 prospectus. Respect the split. 1610 01:48:03,750 --> 01:48:06,000 Do I like that? 1611 01:48:06,510 --> 01:48:11,790 C dubs one a one a one binary boosts through boosts CLI and 1612 01:48:11,790 --> 01:48:15,090 he's doing it old school. Boost bot is now on noster and he 1613 01:48:15,090 --> 01:48:18,780 gives a long nostril address noster does ch slash blah blah 1614 01:48:18,780 --> 01:48:20,700 blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Oh, cool. 1615 01:48:20,760 --> 01:48:25,530 I actually so so what does that mean? So I don't know. Oh, yeah, 1616 01:48:25,560 --> 01:48:26,130 of course. You know what 1617 01:48:26,130 --> 01:48:28,740 I mean? Oh, here it is. Yes, it okay. Yeah, these put pumping 1618 01:48:28,740 --> 01:48:31,920 out the boost the boost bot through noster Ah, yes. The 1619 01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:34,710 emmalin let me see if I can find that. That's kind of 1620 01:48:34,710 --> 01:48:35,250 interesting. 1621 01:48:35,550 --> 01:48:40,500 I clicked the link in it shows me all the boosts Ah, yeah. 1622 01:48:40,530 --> 01:48:43,650 Alright. Anonymous 5000 SATs through pod version. He says 1623 01:48:43,650 --> 01:48:46,830 send bitcoin boosts to your favorite podcasters with POD 1624 01:48:46,830 --> 01:48:52,710 verse plus lb hashtag FOSS. Nice. Blueberry scheduler 1625 01:48:52,710 --> 01:48:55,770 Richards 1111 through the boost CLI and he says testing 1626 01:48:55,770 --> 01:49:01,560 Attention, please. Paging Dr. C. Dubs. Okay. All righty. 10,000 1627 01:49:01,560 --> 01:49:04,020 SATs from the market surfer through pod verse. He says my 1628 01:49:04,020 --> 01:49:07,980 first boost. Easy guys. It's my first time thanks to the entire 1629 01:49:07,980 --> 01:49:11,580 community and especially Sir Alex and Mitch, go podcasting. 1630 01:49:11,610 --> 01:49:13,170 Yo Yo Yo yo yo. 1631 01:49:17,370 --> 01:49:21,630 5000 SATs from anonymous again, and we got 20,000 SATs from Sir 1632 01:49:21,630 --> 01:49:25,650 dug on. Own a fountain. He says thanks for the tip on loading up 1633 01:49:25,650 --> 01:49:28,590 fountain using a debit card. There you go. 1634 01:49:29,250 --> 01:49:32,970 It's a good tip. Oh, okay, Martin. Linda's code just just 1635 01:49:33,240 --> 01:49:37,380 came into top everybody. Well, oh, not exactly what he did 1636 01:49:37,380 --> 01:49:45,030 while he did what he did. He did throw out a 123456 you get a 1637 01:49:45,030 --> 01:49:48,870 baller for 20 is Blaze. Only him Paola. 1638 01:49:49,019 --> 01:49:50,489 You got it. I got it. 1639 01:49:51,960 --> 01:49:55,350 Boom, he gave us three three batches of 5000 says thank you, 1640 01:49:55,350 --> 01:49:59,970 Martin. Let us go by the way. Yes, boom. Boom, he says us 1641 01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,880 showcase things booster grams. I guess he's demoing something. 1642 01:50:03,240 --> 01:50:05,370 And then he gave two more Is this still showcasing booster 1643 01:50:05,370 --> 01:50:06,180 grams? Okay. 1644 01:50:06,540 --> 01:50:09,690 I don't think we're seeing any curio caster boosts today for 1645 01:50:09,690 --> 01:50:10,440 some reason. 1646 01:50:11,430 --> 01:50:14,820 Martin I wonder what Martin post what did he boost from 1647 01:50:15,450 --> 01:50:21,990 pod verse a lot most this is pod verse, some fountain and the 1648 01:50:21,990 --> 01:50:27,060 boost CLI. But not to know I know that people are sending him 1649 01:50:27,060 --> 01:50:29,070 but it's not coming through for some reason. Maybe it's not 1650 01:50:29,070 --> 01:50:31,890 coming through. I'm just on my note anything. Anything's 1651 01:50:31,890 --> 01:50:37,290 possible. It's amazing. The shit works at all. It is what I keep 1652 01:50:37,290 --> 01:50:39,840 telling my wife. She's like, you know, if someone had a problem, 1653 01:50:39,930 --> 01:50:44,910 it's amazing. She works at all. I don't know what to say. Sorry. 1654 01:50:44,940 --> 01:50:45,300 Yeah. 1655 01:50:46,500 --> 01:50:52,890 Be be in 2222 He says working on chapters from my podcasts past 1656 01:50:52,890 --> 01:50:56,760 episodes was the best tool to build and deploy chapters. Well, 1657 01:50:56,760 --> 01:50:57,690 I would say HyperCard 1658 01:50:57,690 --> 01:51:00,930 like hyper capturing. Yeah, that's I love the cloud. The 1659 01:51:00,930 --> 01:51:04,260 cloud chapters. I love that drab does this for all of all the 1660 01:51:04,260 --> 01:51:08,580 shows I do and certainly for podcasting 2.0 Yeah, for which 1661 01:51:08,580 --> 01:51:13,320 he receives a handsome split. across areas very, very, very 1662 01:51:13,320 --> 01:51:13,980 handsome, split. 1663 01:51:14,730 --> 01:51:22,890 lavish. 12345 through fountain, he says, You like space? Ball 1664 01:51:22,890 --> 01:51:28,560 against him? Yes. All right. Yeah, sure. The delimiter 1665 01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:33,390 chemistry blogger 30 3015 sets do fountain and he says, Dave, 1666 01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:36,720 Adam, the open source nature of your discourse is the most 1667 01:51:36,720 --> 01:51:40,050 refreshing main course for the informed podcast listeners you 1668 01:51:40,050 --> 01:51:43,680 have amassed with this fine product for dessert, perhaps 1669 01:51:43,680 --> 01:51:47,220 listen to AI dot cooking, which contains a selection of curated 1670 01:51:47,220 --> 01:51:51,120 news items about artificial intelligence. CSB prepares the 1671 01:51:51,120 --> 01:51:55,350 selection, whilst uniquely erudite glyph serves it up with 1672 01:51:55,380 --> 01:51:56,610 a Plone yo, 1673 01:51:57,120 --> 01:52:00,960 yo and thank you commerce, your blogger, the man who had never 1674 01:52:00,960 --> 01:52:06,990 donated to any of my shows for almost 15 years and then all of 1675 01:52:06,990 --> 01:52:10,560 a sudden boom he's on every single show. It's very much 1676 01:52:10,560 --> 01:52:11,730 appreciated man love it. 1677 01:52:12,450 --> 01:52:15,720 He's becoming an he's becoming a quite adept writer of the 1678 01:52:15,720 --> 01:52:18,270 English language. By the way, these booths are getting better 1679 01:52:18,270 --> 01:52:19,020 every week. 1680 01:52:19,260 --> 01:52:25,110 There's Dred Scott 1234570 Pete Martin's boots 1681 01:52:28,590 --> 01:52:29,970 on am Paula. 1682 01:52:31,980 --> 01:52:33,720 Boost battle commence. 1683 01:52:34,589 --> 01:52:35,579 Yeah, 1684 01:52:35,610 --> 01:52:40,410 I like it. We have monthlies. Yeah, we do. I had to grab them 1685 01:52:40,410 --> 01:52:46,950 off of the table here, monthlies Tim's Tima Hudgins $25. My 1686 01:52:46,950 --> 01:52:52,680 buddy, Paul Erskine $11.14. David would find $3 Jeremy 1687 01:52:52,680 --> 01:52:56,070 gerdts $5 And that's our group for today. 1688 01:52:56,099 --> 01:52:59,399 Thank you all very much. This is value for value. You can read 1689 01:52:59,399 --> 01:53:03,419 more about that at value number four value dot info but if you'd 1690 01:53:03,419 --> 01:53:05,939 like to support the show with value because you got something 1691 01:53:05,939 --> 01:53:09,089 out of it, which is not just the show it is the liquidity on the 1692 01:53:09,089 --> 01:53:17,669 node it Martin lean disco Komodo Satoshis I can You can do it a 1693 01:53:17,669 --> 01:53:23,219 number of ways you can go to podcast index.org We have a an 1694 01:53:23,219 --> 01:53:26,699 on chain through tally coin if you want if you'd like to give 1695 01:53:26,699 --> 01:53:32,669 us some support that way we also have the Fiat fun coupons, which 1696 01:53:32,669 --> 01:53:36,179 of course is the gonna take a look at the tally coin. See if 1697 01:53:36,179 --> 01:53:41,429 we're see how we're doing again, if we got anything on chain. So 1698 01:53:41,429 --> 01:53:45,719 that's the big red donate button and outside of that we have no 1699 01:53:45,719 --> 01:53:50,819 third of January was the last one on chain third of January. I 1700 01:53:50,819 --> 01:53:55,409 don't know if we missed that one. Eric, Eric p p sent out on 1701 01:53:55,409 --> 01:53:59,909 January 3 30 33,317. I'm sorry. We must have missed out on the 1702 01:53:59,909 --> 01:54:01,679 last show. Sorry about that Eric p plus 1703 01:54:01,680 --> 01:54:03,660 because we're so jaded about tally coin. 1704 01:54:03,690 --> 01:54:06,090 We really are because it has never anything there. 1705 01:54:07,020 --> 01:54:09,090 redheaded stepchild nation 1706 01:54:10,050 --> 01:54:14,910 and all sudden that showed up. But really this. This is a 1707 01:54:14,910 --> 01:54:19,860 project that is supported by the people who are in it. Podcast 1708 01:54:19,860 --> 01:54:23,550 index dot social, if you want to join us there not for promoting 1709 01:54:23,550 --> 01:54:26,670 your podcast, but to be a part of the act of development. We'll 1710 01:54:26,670 --> 01:54:30,030 gladly give you an invite for that. And of course get one of 1711 01:54:30,030 --> 01:54:34,530 those fantastic modern apps at new podcast apps.com Now with 1712 01:54:34,530 --> 01:54:35,850 HTTPS 1713 01:54:37,350 --> 01:54:39,630 new podcast apps, but what about new podcasts? 1714 01:54:41,070 --> 01:54:44,310 I don't run that. I don't know who who set that up. Let me see 1715 01:54:44,310 --> 01:54:51,840 you. Ah, Todd apps.com. works. 1716 01:54:52,380 --> 01:54:56,400 It is HTTPS compliant. Yes. So you can hit it with you can 1717 01:54:56,400 --> 01:54:59,100 securely hit new podcast as from any direction 1718 01:55:00,539 --> 01:55:04,169 And tell your friends about it, please. I get oh, there's curio 1719 01:55:04,169 --> 01:55:08,969 caster. Okay. Boo snaps Oh, Fatone record 403 SATs I guess? 1720 01:55:10,049 --> 01:55:11,909 I don't want to wonder why that is I wonder if it's just not 1721 01:55:11,909 --> 01:55:15,419 coming through on my node? That's possible. Maybe? Who 1722 01:55:15,419 --> 01:55:21,929 knows? Ah, Oscar. Are you still awake? Yeah, still here. Okay, 1723 01:55:21,929 --> 01:55:25,589 good. Really appreciate you coming, especially staying up 1724 01:55:25,589 --> 01:55:29,219 late and then coming through the coming to the board meeting with 1725 01:55:29,219 --> 01:55:32,039 us today. Is there anything else we can do for you? Is there any 1726 01:55:32,039 --> 01:55:34,829 support you need? You know, can we send you some hookers and 1727 01:55:34,829 --> 01:55:36,329 blow? I mean, you just tell us what, you 1728 01:55:39,360 --> 01:55:43,290 know, I think all good. I think my only one request to everyone 1729 01:55:43,290 --> 01:55:50,070 listening would be you know, now that we've got the on ramp with 1730 01:55:50,160 --> 01:55:55,470 Apple Pay, and with Google Pay, you know, now's a good time to 1731 01:55:55,500 --> 01:55:59,700 go and grab one of your friends or family members or colleagues, 1732 01:56:00,030 --> 01:56:05,070 and just show them you know, podcasting 2.0 You know, it's 1733 01:56:05,070 --> 01:56:08,370 much easier than it was a couple of weeks ago to get started on 1734 01:56:08,370 --> 01:56:12,420 fountain. So yeah, go and grab a friend. Grab a family member or 1735 01:56:12,420 --> 01:56:15,900 co worker or something and just, you know, onboard them. 1736 01:56:16,920 --> 01:56:21,450 Take Take your mom out to lunch a long lunch, and and show her 1737 01:56:21,450 --> 01:56:23,280 how to use sound and get her on board. 1738 01:56:24,090 --> 01:56:25,110 Yeah, exactly. 1739 01:56:26,550 --> 01:56:30,480 Alright, Dave. Yeah. What can I do for you, brother? I've been 1740 01:56:30,480 --> 01:56:32,430 doing the help desk because that's another week of help. 1741 01:56:32,430 --> 01:56:33,060 Don't have it? 1742 01:56:33,090 --> 01:56:38,610 Yes. You have. And it's been it's been fantastic. It keeps 1743 01:56:38,610 --> 01:56:41,640 the wolves at bay. And then it gives me it gives me time to 1744 01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:44,490 take care of their problems. Never heard back from that from 1745 01:56:44,490 --> 01:56:45,660 that takedown guy? 1746 01:56:46,530 --> 01:56:49,980 No, you asked him to explain himself and he did not know 1747 01:56:49,980 --> 01:56:53,250 I just said could you please tell me what your company name 1748 01:56:53,250 --> 01:56:55,920 is? And just you know, show me that you are indeed you 1749 01:56:55,920 --> 01:57:02,670 represent Fox News. And curious why you didn't do a the process 1750 01:57:02,700 --> 01:57:05,490 that is published of a DMCA takedown. 1751 01:57:06,300 --> 01:57:09,360 I wonder if he ever actually sin. I wonder if he ever 1752 01:57:09,360 --> 01:57:12,840 actually hit Martin because he was referencing pod a pod friend 1753 01:57:12,840 --> 01:57:13,620 URL? Yeah, 1754 01:57:13,650 --> 01:57:19,590 he was telling us to remove this account. Okay. Yeah. All right. 1755 01:57:19,590 --> 01:57:19,830 Well, have 1756 01:57:19,830 --> 01:57:21,930 you gotten any take? Have you gotten any takedown stuff? 1757 01:57:21,930 --> 01:57:24,300 Oscar? Do you get pestered with those? 1758 01:57:25,320 --> 01:57:27,090 No, no haven't received any? 1759 01:57:27,630 --> 01:57:29,910 No, you're living the dream brother. How do I get signed up 1760 01:57:29,910 --> 01:57:30,930 for whatever you're doing? 1761 01:57:34,170 --> 01:57:37,350 All right, gentlemen, perfectly under the wire one hour 57 1762 01:57:37,350 --> 01:57:40,590 minutes. This has been a very very invigorating board meeting 1763 01:57:40,620 --> 01:57:45,570 Oscar congratulations on all this success. And you know I 1764 01:57:45,960 --> 01:57:49,320 will be back next week with with more to discuss what what are we 1765 01:57:49,320 --> 01:57:51,810 been missing? There's a lot of stuff I know we're missing. DAVE 1766 01:57:51,810 --> 01:57:54,450 What are we not what are we not hit on today? So I can write it 1767 01:57:54,450 --> 01:57:54,840 down? 1768 01:57:55,380 --> 01:57:58,350 Oh, I mean, like, I mean, I'll have to scan my notes and send 1769 01:57:58,350 --> 01:58:00,720 it to you. I mean, every week we only make it halfway through my 1770 01:58:00,720 --> 01:58:04,380 page. Which is on the long list 1771 01:58:04,410 --> 01:58:06,690 on the long list. All right, everybody in the chat. Thank you 1772 01:58:06,690 --> 01:58:10,320 very much for being with us lit and live podcasting. 2.0 will 1773 01:58:10,320 --> 01:58:13,110 return next week and on the board meeting You are cordially 1774 01:58:13,110 --> 01:58:16,740 invited and we'll see you then here on podcasting. 1775 01:58:33,210 --> 01:58:37,740 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 1776 01:58:37,740 --> 01:58:40,440 index.org for more information. 1777 01:58:47,160 --> 01:58:48,240 Podcasts are cool