1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,850 Oh, podcasting 2.0 for December 30 2022 Episode 115 We're 2 00:00:05,850 --> 00:00:11,760 boosting in the new year. Once again time for the very last 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:16,620 board meeting of the year 2022 Everything happening at podcast 4 00:00:16,620 --> 00:00:21,540 index.org Of course the latest on all things podcasting 2.0 and 5 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,240 whatever else is going on and being invented in the Mad 6 00:00:24,240 --> 00:00:28,200 laboratories at podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here 7 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,930 in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and Alabama celebrating 8 00:00:30,930 --> 00:00:34,170 12 years with me and we never had a fight. Say hello to my 9 00:00:34,170 --> 00:00:38,520 friend on the other end. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones. 10 00:00:40,260 --> 00:00:43,770 I got off early today a little bit early from work. I'm 11 00:00:43,770 --> 00:00:45,720 enjoying the adult beverage. 12 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,120 Oh, you know what? It's interesting. You say that I am 13 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,430 also enjoying an adult beverage. 14 00:00:50,850 --> 00:00:52,800 What it would adult beverage Are you? 15 00:00:53,489 --> 00:00:59,639 I am imbibing AR GLA Rs. It is well it's a very it's a it's a 16 00:00:59,849 --> 00:01:03,809 it's a fancy pronunciation for a $10 wine called Argyle, but I 17 00:01:03,809 --> 00:01:11,519 like to call it RG les. Makes me feel better. Yes, exactly. 18 00:01:11,519 --> 00:01:14,699 That's just a general idea. No, I I did a podcast earlier with 19 00:01:14,699 --> 00:01:18,749 Moe so no, I'm all warmed up and like, hey, the sun is over the 20 00:01:18,749 --> 00:01:23,699 yardarm. It's 10 After five, we are lit. Thank you, everybody 21 00:01:23,699 --> 00:01:27,449 for for pre boosting us. And we might as well say right off the 22 00:01:27,449 --> 00:01:32,039 bat. We have an esteemed board member with us today. Ladies and 23 00:01:32,039 --> 00:01:35,459 gentlemen, please say hello to the honorable James Kirkland. 24 00:01:35,970 --> 00:01:40,530 Thank you very much. It's great to be here. It's very exciting. 25 00:01:40,530 --> 00:01:43,050 I have an adult drink of a coffee in front of me because 26 00:01:43,050 --> 00:01:44,100 it's nine in the morning here. 27 00:01:44,130 --> 00:01:47,490 Oh, man, that's that's a West week. Really? 28 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,880 You're blowing the whole Australian shrimp on the barbie 29 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:52,320 mate thing are Irish, 30 00:01:52,590 --> 00:01:56,100 Irish. And Irish that thing up with a little bit of a little 31 00:01:56,100 --> 00:01:57,090 bit of a single malt scotch. 32 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:02,040 This is a knife. Yeah, you go that's what was that? Oh, of 33 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,410 course Crocodile Dundee. Whatever you eat Eat American. 34 00:02:04,830 --> 00:02:07,860 Australia. Right? He's okay. It's not a knife. Mine. This is 35 00:02:07,860 --> 00:02:08,370 a knife. 36 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:14,400 I'm having a I'm having a eggnog blessed over eggnog from from 37 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:19,410 the holidays with a shot of cracking dark room. And it's 38 00:02:19,410 --> 00:02:20,130 quite good. 39 00:02:20,220 --> 00:02:23,190 Cracking dark room. Very nice. 40 00:02:23,579 --> 00:02:25,919 Actually appropriate Moosehead glass. 41 00:02:27,150 --> 00:02:29,070 Actually ready for your rush boost? 42 00:02:29,670 --> 00:02:36,690 Yeah, and I've also got some cucumber flavored Pringles 43 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:37,380 potato chips. 44 00:02:37,410 --> 00:02:40,800 Goodness, that sounds vile. But he didn't do arable. Oh, that's 45 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:41,340 chemical. 46 00:02:41,940 --> 00:02:44,880 We do this every year. We for my for my kids, we have this 47 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:50,730 traditional Christmas tradition of we go to the Asian market and 48 00:02:50,850 --> 00:02:54,840 fill up our kids stockings with it. We buy things that we can't 49 00:02:54,870 --> 00:02:56,790 they don't have any English on them. So we don't know what they 50 00:02:56,790 --> 00:03:01,110 taste like. And so it's always like you put it you put it in 51 00:03:01,110 --> 00:03:03,360 your mouth you're like, oh my god, what is this? 52 00:03:04,260 --> 00:03:07,800 Cucumber flavored when you say Asian market? Is that? Is that a 53 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,490 generalization? Or is it Japanese? Chinese Vietnamese, 54 00:03:11,490 --> 00:03:12,210 Thai? It's 55 00:03:12,210 --> 00:03:14,190 literally called the Asian markets. 56 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:16,110 It's an Alabama thing. 57 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,700 Yeah, no, no, I mean there's there's some some form of you 58 00:03:20,700 --> 00:03:23,130 know, nationality that but there's never the same. I mean, 59 00:03:23,910 --> 00:03:26,400 it's it's an Asian market connected to a Chinese 60 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,620 restaurant, but the guys that cook the food they're all 61 00:03:28,950 --> 00:03:31,530 Mexicans. I don't know what's going on there as it is just 62 00:03:31,530 --> 00:03:32,520 like it's popery. 63 00:03:32,580 --> 00:03:35,610 I will start right off the bat with blueberry how to request 64 00:03:35,610 --> 00:03:38,610 since we're all imbibing in in beverages. You said Adam, 65 00:03:38,610 --> 00:03:42,180 please, can you rip the bong for me before the show starts? I 66 00:03:42,270 --> 00:03:43,920 gotta rip the mood right? 67 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:50,040 Yes, chatrooms drinking, I think I opened the I think I cracked 68 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,310 it open on this. Alright, everyone will have a syllabub 69 00:03:53,310 --> 00:03:59,040 after the show. Do you know syllabub? No. syllabub is some 70 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:06,360 kind of French it's like a French whipped cream. Think 71 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,760 dessert with this. It's got 72 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:13,020 you just making this. Just got contra Contra. Oh, yeah. Cool. 73 00:04:13,050 --> 00:04:15,720 Quatro on tall. Yes. Which I drink on my seat. 74 00:04:20,490 --> 00:04:22,860 I just want to sell sophisticated from once. Okay, 75 00:04:22,890 --> 00:04:25,230 okay. Well, you're in the right crowd because we got you know, 76 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:32,880 we got the the Palmy Yeah. James. I think it was actually 77 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,250 exact. Was it not exactly a year ago that you were here at the 78 00:04:35,250 --> 00:04:35,790 board meeting? 79 00:04:35,820 --> 00:04:39,900 It was exactly a year ago. Yes. It's, it's almost becoming a 80 00:04:39,900 --> 00:04:40,500 tradition. 81 00:04:40,860 --> 00:04:43,950 I like it. It was I remember very stressful last year because 82 00:04:43,950 --> 00:04:48,780 we went long. And our dog was new and had not been to the 83 00:04:48,780 --> 00:04:52,770 whole boot camp and, and then everything was freaking out and 84 00:04:52,770 --> 00:04:56,580 one of our friends came by and she was just going nuts. Just 85 00:04:56,730 --> 00:04:59,490 and I and I made her to keep the lights off because I had a 86 00:04:59,490 --> 00:05:02,940 buzzer Mike Mike, it was like, there was divorce worthy. I'll 87 00:05:02,940 --> 00:05:05,940 tell you it was it was a close call that one is close call. 88 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,900 Yes, no, I remember that. I remember the there was a, there 89 00:05:09,900 --> 00:05:13,950 was a big, big five minutes of silence in the middle of that 90 00:05:13,950 --> 00:05:16,740 show, of course edited out, but 91 00:05:17,340 --> 00:05:24,120 I'll be right back, you guys finish up Welcome to well 92 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,560 prepared now this time well prepared. Ah. So I guess we'll 93 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,980 just go through a couple of a couple of things that are that 94 00:05:31,980 --> 00:05:34,140 are in the news right now actually, James, what did for 95 00:05:34,140 --> 00:05:38,070 people who have not? Who I can't imagine, but it turns out 96 00:05:38,070 --> 00:05:43,290 according to the OP three stats, we have 1600 unique listeners. 97 00:05:43,290 --> 00:05:46,110 So maybe you should just let everybody know who you are and 98 00:05:46,110 --> 00:05:46,740 what you do. 99 00:05:47,370 --> 00:05:51,570 Well, yes, I am the editor of pod news, which is a daily 100 00:05:51,570 --> 00:05:55,410 newsletter all about podcasting and on demand. And I present 101 00:05:56,100 --> 00:05:59,130 present that's very English word, isn't it? And I host the 102 00:05:59,130 --> 00:06:01,680 pot News Daily, which is a daily podcast, which is essentially 103 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,160 that in audio form and a weekly podcast with my friend Sam Sethi 104 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:06,960 called the podcast weekly review, 105 00:06:07,230 --> 00:06:09,540 is we I think we both were at one point were considered 106 00:06:09,540 --> 00:06:12,030 presenters, presenters. Yes, presenters, 107 00:06:12,060 --> 00:06:15,750 it was it was it's a very, it's here in Australia, you're called 108 00:06:15,750 --> 00:06:21,570 an announcer. Confusing. And in India, you're called an RJ 109 00:06:21,900 --> 00:06:27,480 and RJ, a radio jockey. And, you know, when I was at MTV, and 110 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,640 they This was back in the day when they were still kind of 111 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,460 like, oh, well, everyone gets business cards. Right? Okay, 112 00:06:32,580 --> 00:06:35,460 cool. What do you want your business card? Just Adam curry? 113 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:40,260 No, no, it has to have a title. Can I need to have nothing known 114 00:06:40,260 --> 00:06:44,640 as every title? That we suggest, Vijay? I'm like, once you put 115 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,360 fucking leper on there instead, he said no. How about air 116 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,020 personality and produce? I got it though. I got it. I got an 117 00:06:52,050 --> 00:06:54,450 air personality and produce her 118 00:06:54,450 --> 00:06:59,310 personality. I was able when I worked at the BBC for a couple 119 00:06:59,310 --> 00:07:01,740 of years, and I was able to you there was just something on the 120 00:07:01,740 --> 00:07:04,620 intranet where you could just fill in an order your business 121 00:07:04,620 --> 00:07:08,340 cards. And I was and I was there thinking, do I just write 122 00:07:08,340 --> 00:07:10,410 managing director on there? Would anybody know? Would 123 00:07:10,410 --> 00:07:14,580 anybody know? cage of gravity head of gravity? There's a job 124 00:07:14,580 --> 00:07:15,330 that you can't miss out. 125 00:07:16,380 --> 00:07:18,720 You there with the Dutch? The Dutch guy, Eric. 126 00:07:19,290 --> 00:07:24,840 I was Eric Eric huggers. Yes, I did. I had lots of lots of 127 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,030 entertaining stories about Yes, I 128 00:07:27,030 --> 00:07:30,240 know him quite well in Holland. Yeah, quite well. Yeah. He's one 129 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,660 of those guys. He's a great guy can't do anything but gets great 130 00:07:33,660 --> 00:07:36,360 jobs. You know what I mean? 131 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,130 He did a ton of things while he was there, he launched the 132 00:07:41,130 --> 00:07:44,220 iPlayer Oh, I know that was that was actually he actually managed 133 00:07:44,220 --> 00:07:47,640 to get that get that out and get that done. So he was nominally 134 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,630 my my boss. But because it was the BBC, I had another another 135 00:07:51,630 --> 00:07:54,480 boss who was my day to day boss. And my day to day boss didn't 136 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:58,920 agree with anything that Eric was doing. It was just, it was 137 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,080 just it was two years of my life that I will never get back. 138 00:08:01,110 --> 00:08:03,990 He's just one of those guys that just pops up and like then he's, 139 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,780 you know, like Blockbuster. You know, it's like taking that 140 00:08:06,780 --> 00:08:09,600 digital and like, what do you how do you get these jobs? Yeah. 141 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:09,720 And 142 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,020 then and then and then Intel? I think he right? Yes. He was 143 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,530 in charge of this special processing units or something? 144 00:08:16,530 --> 00:08:19,980 Yeah, he's got a good rap. Yeah, it's a hot Brazilian wife thinks 145 00:08:20,490 --> 00:08:22,410 she's got some he's got some good stuff going on. So I was 146 00:08:22,410 --> 00:08:27,330 looking at my fountain stats today. No, yes. Turns out that 147 00:08:27,330 --> 00:08:30,510 I've been boosting you as one of the most of all the shows I 148 00:08:30,510 --> 00:08:31,290 listened to. 149 00:08:32,850 --> 00:08:35,280 Thank you. That's very kind of, you know, interesting. 150 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:40,860 Now. It's like, yeah, 473,387 SATs 151 00:08:40,950 --> 00:08:42,120 was a lot to bitch about. 152 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,290 That is the weekly review. Review. You're right. That's 153 00:08:46,290 --> 00:08:46,530 where I've 154 00:08:48,570 --> 00:08:51,060 been, and that's one of the that's one of the brilliant 155 00:08:51,060 --> 00:08:54,450 things about a booster gram. Is that, yeah, the more angry Adam 156 00:08:54,450 --> 00:08:55,320 gets, the more 157 00:08:56,370 --> 00:09:01,530 I know, I know. More pissed off 1000s I know, it's like I'm 158 00:09:01,530 --> 00:09:04,860 gonna get your attention. And you're gonna say, oh, man, 159 00:09:04,860 --> 00:09:07,710 sorry, I'm here. My node wasn't connected. Didn't see it in time 160 00:09:07,710 --> 00:09:16,620 for the show. Being fair, I'm just messing with you, man. Just 161 00:09:16,620 --> 00:09:16,800 getting 162 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:22,290 ready. The first second. You know, the, the 100% Retro work 163 00:09:22,770 --> 00:09:25,380 was nice. And it was fun. And then there's been there seems to 164 00:09:25,380 --> 00:09:29,640 be a lot of you've been talking a lot about radio lately. James 165 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:34,620 and I'm just wondering, I mean, how does this to me it to me the 166 00:09:34,620 --> 00:09:39,270 way I see this? You know, this is my naive mind my naivete I'm 167 00:09:39,270 --> 00:09:45,780 sure is not being French word. I mean, I'm about to have syllabub 168 00:09:45,780 --> 00:09:51,930 so I mean, that may the my naivete is not as of a non 169 00:09:51,930 --> 00:09:57,810 radio. You know, history here is that you have this. You have 170 00:09:57,810 --> 00:10:01,890 what is the you have millions of of what Adam calls radio 171 00:10:01,890 --> 00:10:06,960 receivers these podcast apps ready to go? And like, doesn't 172 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:12,840 that just seem like a fertile field? For for live streaming? 173 00:10:13,710 --> 00:10:17,460 To direct I mean, everybody's Everybody's used to audio in a 174 00:10:18,090 --> 00:10:22,260 in a podcast is audio in a podcast app, just us why just 175 00:10:22,290 --> 00:10:25,020 just not a whole lot of tweaking, very, very little 176 00:10:25,020 --> 00:10:30,360 tweaking could turn those all into live radio tuners in a in a 177 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:34,020 heartbeat. Does that make sense that that would be something 178 00:10:34,050 --> 00:10:34,860 that they would do. 179 00:10:35,730 --> 00:10:40,620 I mean, and back in my long term history, I actually launched the 180 00:10:40,620 --> 00:10:44,100 first streaming radio app for a radio station, I was working for 181 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:49,290 a station called Virgin radio. And in March 2005, we launched 182 00:10:49,290 --> 00:10:52,800 the first streaming app in the world, which was very strange 183 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:57,300 and got me into an awful lot of trouble. But, yeah, I mean, I 184 00:10:57,300 --> 00:11:02,100 think one of the real benefits of radio of proper radio is that 185 00:11:02,100 --> 00:11:05,310 is live is that you feel as if you're part of a community, you 186 00:11:05,310 --> 00:11:07,890 feel as if there are other people consuming the same stuff 187 00:11:07,890 --> 00:11:13,020 as you do. That's what lets does in the podcast field as well, 188 00:11:13,020 --> 00:11:15,810 you know, you you feel and you can hear while you're recording 189 00:11:15,810 --> 00:11:17,910 this particular show, you can hear that there are other people 190 00:11:17,910 --> 00:11:21,930 who are boosting right now. And that's a great thing. So the 191 00:11:21,930 --> 00:11:24,900 benefits of radio are actually a bit different to the benefits of 192 00:11:24,900 --> 00:11:28,170 podcasting. Podcasting is very much more around you're in 193 00:11:28,170 --> 00:11:30,900 control, you're listening to it on a device that you're holding 194 00:11:30,900 --> 00:11:36,270 on to normally or it's certainly within arm's reach. And so 195 00:11:36,270 --> 00:11:38,580 therefore, you can fast forward through the boring bits, you 196 00:11:38,580 --> 00:11:42,420 can, you can do all kinds of stuff like that you can choose 197 00:11:42,420 --> 00:11:45,300 different things to go and have a listen to. So they are quite 198 00:11:45,300 --> 00:11:48,090 different. But I do think that there's something there in the 199 00:11:48,090 --> 00:11:54,000 middle of radio, merging with the podcast world and the the 200 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:58,350 live experience of radio merging with the on demand experience of 201 00:11:58,350 --> 00:12:01,470 a podcast, there's something there in the middle that I don't 202 00:12:01,470 --> 00:12:05,430 think I think you're right, I don't think has been fully, you 203 00:12:05,430 --> 00:12:10,200 know, fully looked at by the radio industry, if I bet, you 204 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,320 know, I mean, all that they care about is keeping their am and 205 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,530 FM, you know, sticks running. That's all that they really care 206 00:12:16,530 --> 00:12:16,770 about. 207 00:12:17,250 --> 00:12:22,890 I have 12 years of experience with this. And it was kind of 208 00:12:22,890 --> 00:12:26,340 standard, nothing special. And when I say 12 years of 209 00:12:26,340 --> 00:12:30,330 experience, over 12 years, no agenda show has been streaming 210 00:12:30,330 --> 00:12:34,140 while we record. And that's been mainly because I record Direct 211 00:12:34,140 --> 00:12:38,070 to Tape. There's never any editing except for, you know, 212 00:12:38,100 --> 00:12:41,190 putting something in the front as a little opening thing. Or if 213 00:12:41,190 --> 00:12:45,540 there's a technical error. And we've had a stream for maybe 13 214 00:12:45,540 --> 00:12:50,280 years, we've had a chat room equally as long. But it wasn't 215 00:12:51,270 --> 00:12:56,820 really until well, actually, I would say it's more this show in 216 00:12:56,820 --> 00:12:59,610 the past two years. That got me much more interested in 217 00:12:59,610 --> 00:13:04,530 interacting with with the chat room. And, and you're right, 218 00:13:04,530 --> 00:13:08,100 James, the thing that's really unique, and I would say most 219 00:13:08,100 --> 00:13:12,420 radio. So much has changed since I was doing radio when people 220 00:13:12,450 --> 00:13:14,670 you know, the way to feed back to the show was people in the 221 00:13:14,670 --> 00:13:18,510 car, maybe on their cell phone or sometimes at the office or at 222 00:13:18,510 --> 00:13:24,450 home, turn your radio down here. But the booster gram element, 223 00:13:25,020 --> 00:13:28,770 and I've witnessed it now from both sides, from things coming 224 00:13:28,770 --> 00:13:32,520 in people commenting in real time, and I finally for the 225 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:37,110 first time it happened was it Wednesday, I think I got a ping 226 00:13:37,110 --> 00:13:40,170 that new media show was going live. I've been waiting for this 227 00:13:40,170 --> 00:13:43,380 for two months for this to work. So being that goes I'm like 228 00:13:43,410 --> 00:13:46,710 right away, boom 50,000. Although I thought Tom was a 229 00:13:46,710 --> 00:13:48,780 little demure, he could have been a little happier about my 230 00:13:48,780 --> 00:13:52,470 50,000 sat. Boosting grant, but 231 00:13:53,069 --> 00:13:54,269 laid it down a little bit. 232 00:13:54,719 --> 00:13:59,489 Oh, there's Adam was 50,000. Okay. So yeah, get your own.com 233 00:14:00,119 --> 00:14:06,329 that's right on. It read that's the payoff, by the way. That's 234 00:14:06,329 --> 00:14:12,509 better than get your own dog calm. It was really, really good 235 00:14:12,509 --> 00:14:17,249 experience. And it's definitely new. So what we have right now, 236 00:14:17,879 --> 00:14:23,429 is we have a lot of people doing video, YouTube Live video, you 237 00:14:23,429 --> 00:14:26,789 know, put a lot of work into that. And they are in fact doing 238 00:14:26,789 --> 00:14:29,009 the same thing. They're streaming. That's where the 239 00:14:29,039 --> 00:14:33,089 Super Chat comes from. They're all you know, they're very 240 00:14:33,089 --> 00:14:38,819 invested in the video aspect. But this, it's a new beast, I 241 00:14:38,819 --> 00:14:43,259 think lit is in a way a category of its own. It's something 242 00:14:43,259 --> 00:14:48,119 different and I like treating the eye just like a studio 243 00:14:48,119 --> 00:14:51,059 audience. Now, I'd like to see that we have people in the chat 244 00:14:51,059 --> 00:14:55,799 room. It could be 50 65,000 Doesn't matter of fact, you 245 00:14:55,799 --> 00:14:59,309 know, 1000 is probably more than enough. You're just people 246 00:14:59,309 --> 00:15:02,489 yapping away. and feeding stuff back. And you know, you read 247 00:15:02,489 --> 00:15:05,579 stuff. You don't always have to mention it. But it's a it's a 248 00:15:05,579 --> 00:15:08,489 category. There's a radio guy, where I'm used to running the 249 00:15:08,489 --> 00:15:11,939 board. I'm used to seeing having multiple things going on while 250 00:15:11,939 --> 00:15:14,579 I'm having a conversation. And then I can see over here, oh, 251 00:15:14,579 --> 00:15:16,859 people are chat. And Dave, you've gotten pretty good at it, 252 00:15:16,859 --> 00:15:19,979 too. You're also you have you starting to develop that. Oh, 253 00:15:19,979 --> 00:15:21,899 something here in the chat room while I'm talking. 254 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,740 Yeah, it's different. I mean, it's different. And I think 255 00:15:25,740 --> 00:15:30,420 like, and I think that could be you said, you know, I'm starting 256 00:15:30,420 --> 00:15:33,510 to get the feel for it. And I think also listeners, it may be 257 00:15:33,510 --> 00:15:38,070 a listener, teaching thing, like one thing I noticed from looking 258 00:15:38,070 --> 00:15:42,150 at John Spurlock's top secret, you know, sure 259 00:15:42,180 --> 00:15:46,230 that everyone got an email for now. Thanks. Yeah, right. Why 260 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:47,370 first name here? 261 00:15:49,410 --> 00:15:51,630 Is your top secret don't go talking about 262 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:57,300 Hi podcast or in brackets. The thing that the thing that I 263 00:15:57,300 --> 00:16:00,420 learned from that is that, especially with our show, but 264 00:16:00,420 --> 00:16:04,890 also for nogen, as well, there's a lot of, there's been a lot of, 265 00:16:05,100 --> 00:16:08,460 of movement. If you look at things like like Oh, no agenda, 266 00:16:08,460 --> 00:16:12,240 the one that stood out to me was pod vers pod versus blipped, 267 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,950 like 5%. Because promoting it as lit, that's what we say you can 268 00:16:16,950 --> 00:16:20,550 move the needle as a as a host, you can move the needle on your 269 00:16:20,550 --> 00:16:23,790 listener behavior. And so the same thing like I think you can 270 00:16:23,790 --> 00:16:30,150 teach the listener to also enjoy the live experience it I mean, 271 00:16:30,150 --> 00:16:32,040 not it's not going to be for everybody, not everybody's gonna 272 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,920 love it. But a thing like Tom from Buzzsprout texted me a 273 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,890 couple of weeks ago. And it's like, he saw that he was on 274 00:16:37,890 --> 00:16:42,060 Twitter, and he saw the the he saw the pod paying to go live. 275 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:44,580 And he just popped it and listened to it and pod version. 276 00:16:44,580 --> 00:16:45,720 He was like, Hey, this is really cool. 277 00:16:45,750 --> 00:16:49,110 I mean, this is this is also the element that I think what people 278 00:16:49,110 --> 00:16:56,100 got so excited about clubhouse was kind of the same idea where 279 00:16:56,220 --> 00:16:59,700 you have an alert mechanism, like something's going live, oh, 280 00:16:59,700 --> 00:17:03,600 my God, I don't want to be left out, something's happening. You 281 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,720 can click the right in there, you hear people talking, you 282 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,380 have an opportunity to participate in limited manner. 283 00:17:10,380 --> 00:17:14,280 But you look at some of these guys, like blueberry and all the 284 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,070 things to fucking crazy. They got if you send, you know, six 285 00:17:17,070 --> 00:17:20,640 to 6000 SATs, you get a different jingle that fires and 286 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,940 there's all kinds of ways you can enhance this. And at James 287 00:17:23,940 --> 00:17:28,380 that is really, to me when all your interactive read you and we 288 00:17:28,380 --> 00:17:31,560 all heard it, we probably even both gigs that someone paid us 289 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,900 to do something we knew was was stupid, but there will be 290 00:17:33,900 --> 00:17:37,830 interactive radio. This is really it. It really is a new 291 00:17:37,830 --> 00:17:41,640 category. And there's enough people who are doing live video 292 00:17:41,850 --> 00:17:44,280 that they should surely be able to, and I think probably more 293 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,500 profitably be able to do just live audio. 294 00:17:46,530 --> 00:17:51,300 Yeah. Yeah. I completely agree. And I think also if you if you 295 00:17:51,300 --> 00:17:54,300 look at it from the podcast, hosting companies point of view, 296 00:17:54,750 --> 00:17:58,020 the biggest risk to their business, the biggest risk to 297 00:17:58,020 --> 00:18:03,390 somebody like Todd or you know, the Lipson crowd, or pod bean or 298 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,920 sprout. The excellent folks at Buzzsprout still haven't really 299 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:16,920 signed for next year. The big, the biggest risk to them is that 300 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,170 people get bored of podcasting because they don't get any 301 00:18:19,170 --> 00:18:23,220 feedback. And so they stopped producing a podcast. So anything 302 00:18:23,220 --> 00:18:28,320 that helps them retain that customer is an investment into, 303 00:18:28,590 --> 00:18:32,400 you know, it's really expensive to get a customer, all of that 304 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,130 marketing, all of that excellent sponsorship of the pod news, 305 00:18:35,130 --> 00:18:38,550 weekly review, hell, all of that stuff is really expensive, but 306 00:18:38,550 --> 00:18:43,410 once they are in, don't lose them when they start losing 307 00:18:43,410 --> 00:18:47,760 interest. And so, you know, things like comments, things 308 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:52,260 like live comments is really, really important. I think, and 309 00:18:52,260 --> 00:18:57,630 I'm really surprised at how few podcast hosting companies have 310 00:18:57,630 --> 00:19:00,780 really grasped this yet that actually, you know, the thing 311 00:19:00,780 --> 00:19:05,370 for them is to keep their current customers really fired 312 00:19:05,370 --> 00:19:09,030 up about what they're doing. And there are podcast companies that 313 00:19:09,030 --> 00:19:12,510 do all of these things, you know, sending you emails, you 314 00:19:12,510 --> 00:19:16,050 know, well done, you've got 10,000 downloads now, and well 315 00:19:16,050 --> 00:19:18,300 done, you've got 100,000 downloads now, and those are 316 00:19:18,300 --> 00:19:22,560 really good examples of that. But actually much better is key 317 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,130 is what your audience is saying. And that's why people get so 318 00:19:26,130 --> 00:19:30,000 excited about Apple podcasts, ratings and reviews, you know, 319 00:19:30,180 --> 00:19:30,840 yeah, that's 320 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,380 a very inferior feedback mechanism. Whereas what I've 321 00:19:34,380 --> 00:19:38,160 always said about value for value is you get one buddy to 322 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:44,610 fire up one of the 2.0 apps and listen to your show. And you can 323 00:19:44,610 --> 00:19:47,850 see it with Todd oh my god there's another one another one 324 00:19:47,850 --> 00:19:52,080 sack because lb does every every transaction. So it's like boom 325 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,420 that Oh, there's another some another minute from somebody, 326 00:19:54,630 --> 00:19:58,230 but I have the same i i Sometimes will just sit at home 327 00:19:58,830 --> 00:20:04,200 and now fire up Um, you know, what is our what is that zap oh, 328 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:10,440 five to zap wallet, go look at the podcasting 2.0 node, and it 329 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,680 and it does transactions enrollment in real time. And 330 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:18,750 also and it's all one set. But it's, you'll see like 2025 a 331 00:20:18,750 --> 00:20:22,110 minute. And I'm just I'm not looking at Satoshis. I'm like, 332 00:20:22,770 --> 00:20:27,030 There's 25 Different people using apps right now that are 333 00:20:27,030 --> 00:20:30,180 listening to podcast. It's a Kindle. It's so cool. And when 334 00:20:30,180 --> 00:20:33,690 it happens to my own podcast, we see stuff it doesn't it's not 335 00:20:33,690 --> 00:20:36,600 about the money. It's about exactly what you said, Oh, my 336 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,570 God, there's someone on the other end somewhere. And they're 337 00:20:39,570 --> 00:20:42,540 signaling to me that they're listening. I mean, as a as a 338 00:20:42,540 --> 00:20:46,470 radio guy, you couldn't get that you couldn't get you got the 339 00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:48,390 ratings, which you feared, of course. 340 00:20:49,379 --> 00:20:52,259 I mean, I did the evening show on the on one of the radio 341 00:20:52,259 --> 00:20:55,049 stations that that I worked for. And I did the evening show for 342 00:20:56,099 --> 00:20:59,399 about two and a half years. And the first year I did a big thing 343 00:20:59,399 --> 00:21:02,429 of it's my birthday soon. Don't forget March, the 18th. It's my 344 00:21:02,429 --> 00:21:06,869 birthday, here's the address for the for the radio station, send 345 00:21:06,869 --> 00:21:09,719 in all of your presents, I'm really looking forward to them 346 00:21:09,839 --> 00:21:13,259 and made this whole thing about the fact that it was my birthday 347 00:21:13,259 --> 00:21:16,109 and everything else. And the last year that I was doing it, I 348 00:21:16,109 --> 00:21:19,049 didn't mention my birthday at all, because I had given my 349 00:21:19,049 --> 00:21:21,599 notice here and I was stopping during the show. I didn't even 350 00:21:21,599 --> 00:21:23,759 know if I'd be on on my birthday, because they typically 351 00:21:23,759 --> 00:21:26,189 take you off a little bit early. So 352 00:21:26,190 --> 00:21:29,160 once one that no one wants to notice. Yeah. And you're good to 353 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:29,460 go. 354 00:21:29,490 --> 00:21:33,000 Yeah, then then that's basically it. And so I didn't mention it 355 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:38,670 at all. I get to the and this was in the early 1990s where, 356 00:21:38,670 --> 00:21:41,070 you know, there were no such things as electronic diaries or 357 00:21:41,070 --> 00:21:45,180 email or anything else, you know, for most people so so I 358 00:21:45,180 --> 00:21:48,450 get in to the radio station. On my birthday, I have a look in 359 00:21:48,450 --> 00:21:55,320 my, in my physical inbox, where they used to put the post and, 360 00:21:55,890 --> 00:22:01,020 and there was six birthday cards. Oh, six birthday cards, 361 00:22:01,170 --> 00:22:06,900 where people had written my name and and the address down 12 362 00:22:06,900 --> 00:22:10,410 months previously. Oh, it's this guy's birthday. And so they sent 363 00:22:10,410 --> 00:22:11,490 me another birthday. 364 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,630 Cool. No, that told you exactly. Yeah, yeah, 365 00:22:15,660 --> 00:22:16,680 I mean, only six. But 366 00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:24,540 I remember. Now, I was gonna say zero MTV, I had been in this 367 00:22:24,540 --> 00:22:28,230 game so early, we had MTV just send me a postcard send me a 368 00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:34,170 letter I had at any given moment. Eight to 10 for mail 369 00:22:34,170 --> 00:22:39,450 bags full meal was impossible to get through. So but I would have 370 00:22:39,450 --> 00:22:42,060 them in the bathroom. And so if either me or the sound guy was 371 00:22:42,060 --> 00:22:44,580 my friend, we're taking a dump, like, you know, you can take a 372 00:22:44,580 --> 00:22:46,440 dump but just read a couple letters and see if there's 373 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,440 anything in there. For me. It's kind of like, kind of like a tax 374 00:22:49,950 --> 00:22:50,430 tax. 375 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,480 There was a there was a guy called Knoll Edmonds who used to 376 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,720 do the Radio One breakfast show in the UK, and then went on to 377 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,830 to TV and stuff. And he was telling a story about the fact 378 00:23:01,830 --> 00:23:06,240 that he he used to get mail bags of, of posts and things and you 379 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,440 know, postcards and all this, all this kind of stuff. And then 380 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,160 he was away from radio for about 20 years, came back to radio and 381 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:20,040 did a couple of weeks on an afternoon show. And of course, 382 00:23:20,670 --> 00:23:24,300 the way that we send feedback had completely changed and you 383 00:23:24,300 --> 00:23:30,240 didn't get postcards, right? Text messages or text messages 384 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,590 right right in front of your face which didn't have to pay 385 00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:38,820 people which people paid for you could you could reverse charge 386 00:23:38,820 --> 00:23:42,060 that will cost you 25 Pence or 50 Pence or whatever it so 387 00:23:42,060 --> 00:23:47,370 anyway, he does his first his his first presents break or show 388 00:23:47,370 --> 00:23:50,460 link you know, he talks for the first time Oh, then closes, 389 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:56,370 closes closes his microphone. And things right that's my first 390 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,610 as my first talkie bit over looks up at the screen, which is 391 00:23:59,610 --> 00:24:03,360 right in front of his face. And I'm going to swear now. And the 392 00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:08,040 first the first text that he sees, said Who let that bearded 393 00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:12,720 untalented to get back on the first day he says 394 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,850 not to swear word in America 395 00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:21,690 is okay. Yeah, so it's, you know, so so things have really 396 00:24:21,690 --> 00:24:25,980 changed. But actually, the need for direct feedback is a really 397 00:24:25,980 --> 00:24:28,590 important thing. And whether that's direct feedback in terms 398 00:24:28,590 --> 00:24:31,290 of chat rooms, or whether that's direct feedback in terms of 399 00:24:31,290 --> 00:24:34,230 comments and cross out comments, you know, hugely important. I 400 00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:34,590 think 401 00:24:34,710 --> 00:24:37,470 you nailed it. It's about community. And by the way, Dave 402 00:24:37,470 --> 00:24:40,650 Jones, do you see what you see when you you uncork two radio 403 00:24:40,650 --> 00:24:43,320 dudes, we're gonna go talking for 20 minutes about radio. 404 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,650 So I'll only have three questions on my entire piece of 405 00:24:46,650 --> 00:24:48,870 paper here because I know that each one of us goes for 45 406 00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:49,230 minutes. 407 00:24:50,190 --> 00:24:55,200 So that's one. I just want to thank Mitch, he stomped on all 408 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,320 the pod verse bugs with the value for value issues I was 409 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,980 having on graphene OS granted I'm, you know, I'm out there I'm 410 00:25:01,980 --> 00:25:06,390 not your traditional guide because I use a different 411 00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:10,320 operating system works beautifully. I'm super happy. 412 00:25:11,370 --> 00:25:14,760 Now that Alby stays connected and everything and that boosts 413 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,240 buttons come up, it's really it's really a nice app. I mean, 414 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:19,830 it's really good and God bless 415 00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:26,370 Mitch for for making the the non Googled Android phones first 416 00:25:26,370 --> 00:25:29,640 class citizens I mean, that's not easy stuff to do. It goes 417 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,590 the extra mile to make sure that stuff works. That 418 00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:34,290 breeze does that as well. I'll give my props to breeze and by 419 00:25:34,290 --> 00:25:37,920 the way, I stomped on a breeze bug Hello, I feel pretty did you 420 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,950 fail you found it I feel pretty powerful about that. I didn't 421 00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:46,020 get no bounty or anything the hell this was I'm looking at so 422 00:25:46,020 --> 00:25:52,500 I'm looking at get Alby stat and the Saturn stats and and it has 423 00:25:52,530 --> 00:25:56,790 no I'm sorry, the continent was contracts. Well, anyway, it was 424 00:25:56,790 --> 00:26:01,410 one of the two stats packages for get Albion I'm seeing these 425 00:26:01,410 --> 00:26:04,860 weird booster grams like every single time, a breeze booster 426 00:26:04,860 --> 00:26:08,790 gram came in, it started a whole new episode. As in the stats, 427 00:26:08,790 --> 00:26:13,830 I'm like, What is going on here? So and this coincided with an 428 00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:17,100 RSS feed bug, which I thought was a bug, but I messed it up 429 00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:20,250 and you were helping me stomp on that. So I'm like, is this 430 00:26:20,250 --> 00:26:24,840 something that is related to the RSS feed? And you'll always DNS 431 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,540 first? No, it's not DNS. Here's the RSS feed. Now it wasn't 432 00:26:27,540 --> 00:26:32,010 that. And then I think well, and then I go looking in the GitHub, 433 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,310 and it was asked who would propose to send along the 434 00:26:35,310 --> 00:26:38,640 episode, the podcast index episode ID with each booster 435 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,640 gram, which is the standard, which is what they're doing as 436 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,780 well. And I see I know that, that was about two weeks ago. 437 00:26:46,050 --> 00:26:50,550 That's when my app updated. And now it's like, okay, this is no 438 00:26:50,550 --> 00:26:55,050 coincidence. So I say, Hey, are you sending the right idea over? 439 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,080 And Roy goes into Yeah, man, that looks good. When you're 440 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:02,280 talking about that Hollywood boy. Hollywood boy, step back 441 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:03,570 Hollywood, Hollywood, 442 00:27:04,290 --> 00:27:05,190 talking about gamers do 443 00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:09,360 their work, looked at the code man's good. And luckily, he 444 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:12,330 asked someone with actual knowledge to take a look and 445 00:27:15,390 --> 00:27:18,330 comes back. Oh, we were sending our internal episode ID or 446 00:27:18,330 --> 00:27:23,970 supply or something that changed regularly. So we fixed it hasn't 447 00:27:23,970 --> 00:27:25,380 been updated yet. But fixed. 448 00:27:25,410 --> 00:27:27,660 Just pour, pour yourself a drink? Roy? 449 00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:30,210 I felt really good about it. 450 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,410 No, no, that was great. Because I was thinking that it was some 451 00:27:34,410 --> 00:27:38,340 like, I forgot, I was thinking there was some sort of like, 452 00:27:38,790 --> 00:27:42,720 type issue with the title of the episode or something like that. 453 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:49,380 No, you went all the way. You know that. That? So there's been 454 00:27:49,380 --> 00:27:54,180 a lot of discussion about cross app comments, and like, where 455 00:27:54,180 --> 00:27:58,980 things are, where it's going? I mean, we knew from the beginning 456 00:27:58,980 --> 00:28:02,820 that this was clearly going to be the hardest, the hardest one 457 00:28:02,820 --> 00:28:07,440 of all. And, I mean, for various reasons, most of them, most of 458 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,710 which are actually not technical. Correct. There are 459 00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:13,350 technical reasons. I mean, you know, activity province. And 460 00:28:13,410 --> 00:28:18,630 activity Pub is not as simple protocol. It's not super easy, 461 00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:21,750 like some others are. So there's a little bit of complexity to 462 00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:24,900 it, but then you add on the complexity of moderation and, 463 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,860 and the political side of things. And I mean, it's just 464 00:28:28,860 --> 00:28:34,590 not an easy thing to do and trying to get adoption. So like, 465 00:28:34,890 --> 00:28:38,850 I think one, you know, Alex texted me last week, after the 466 00:28:38,850 --> 00:28:42,360 show. And he made a point, he said, you know, he said, What 467 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,920 y'all miss, y'all missed the fact that this is a whole new 468 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,970 class of user, the whole new class of podcast listener that 469 00:28:50,970 --> 00:28:55,080 we're talking about here. So and I think, and I agree with him, I 470 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,070 agree with what he said. He, you know, I think what he's what 471 00:28:59,070 --> 00:29:05,760 he's saying here is that, where we may not be talking about, but 472 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,270 when I think podcast listener, I think of myself. You know, 473 00:29:09,270 --> 00:29:12,270 that's just the so the selfishness of human nature, I 474 00:29:12,270 --> 00:29:15,390 think of, you know, it's the only thing I know, I'm a podcast 475 00:29:15,390 --> 00:29:19,560 listener. So I envisioned myself multiplied millions of times, 476 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,960 and that's what podcast listeners are. But that's, 477 00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:25,800 that's, that's blind, that's being blind. Because it's 478 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,370 probably, you know, there's all various kinds of podcast 479 00:29:29,370 --> 00:29:32,760 listeners, I hear some shows, and somebody talks about how 480 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,310 they listen to podcasts. And I'm like, Oh, well, that's, that's 481 00:29:35,310 --> 00:29:39,450 odd. That's not anything like I do it. And so I wonder, you 482 00:29:39,450 --> 00:29:42,270 know, I think what I think the point Alex was trying to make 483 00:29:42,270 --> 00:29:47,790 was that there's a different class of, of listener out there 484 00:29:47,790 --> 00:29:52,110 we know that this class of, of, of listener or viewer or 485 00:29:52,110 --> 00:29:55,500 whatever you want to call it exists, because they are their 486 00:29:55,500 --> 00:30:01,680 own YouTube, Twitch, others or their services. because, as you 487 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:06,150 made the point, James, in your GitHub post, you can just look 488 00:30:06,150 --> 00:30:09,960 at our YouTube live stream. And there's tons of comments. And 489 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,750 I'm not talking about the live chat, the Super Chat. There's 490 00:30:12,750 --> 00:30:16,950 comments. Yeah, the chat exists. And then there's also lots and 491 00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:21,270 lots of comments. So whoever that person is, that class of 492 00:30:21,270 --> 00:30:25,530 person that likes to leave comments on the videos, or, you 493 00:30:25,530 --> 00:30:31,110 know, that's the person that can grow podcasting by us bringing 494 00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:35,760 them into, we can we can get that person over into 495 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:40,530 podcasting. 2.0, as you know, with those features, because 496 00:30:40,530 --> 00:30:43,290 there's something they're clearly addicted to something 497 00:30:43,290 --> 00:30:46,440 about commenting. And the funny thing is, you know, I don't know 498 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,160 what how much moderation plays a role in this. But a lot of 499 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,490 times, you know, you see a comment you, you go to a YouTube 500 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,540 video, in the car, the top comments, they're pretty funny. 501 00:30:57,570 --> 00:31:00,420 I mean, like, you scroll through the first two or three, they're 502 00:31:00,420 --> 00:31:03,420 pretty good. And I'm sure there's a lot of moderation 503 00:31:03,420 --> 00:31:06,870 that's happening there. But I don't know, I think that's just 504 00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:09,810 a good point to think of is that maybe we're not talking about 505 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,290 taking existing podcast listeners and turning them into 506 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,290 commenters. But bringing in a new class of user 507 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,910 you're so I agree with a couple things. One. That's called a 508 00:31:20,910 --> 00:31:25,320 cheap two gram. Yeah, just because you don't want to pay 509 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,880 for a boost. Alex doesn't mean that, you know, back channeling 510 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,640 you just out of cheapness. There's, there's another thing 511 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:39,060 to consider. App developers have their own view of this. This is 512 00:31:39,060 --> 00:31:42,870 my app. And I have comments on my app and how they're not 513 00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:46,380 necessarily I'm not accusing it's not an accusation. In fact, 514 00:31:46,380 --> 00:31:50,430 it's, it's very understandable. Unfortunately, the the guy who 515 00:31:50,430 --> 00:31:54,690 was the greatest example of that isn't really with us anymore. 516 00:31:54,930 --> 00:31:58,200 He's not dead. But Martin from pod friend, he was very clear 517 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,440 like, no, no, I don't if I'm going to comments in my app, I 518 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,590 want comments everywhere on every single podcast. And he saw 519 00:32:04,590 --> 00:32:10,440 it from that vantage point, which I also understand. To me, 520 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,190 personally, and I want to make sure we didn't lose anything in 521 00:32:14,190 --> 00:32:19,470 the translation, James. I didn't say I'm giving up on cross out 522 00:32:19,470 --> 00:32:24,060 comments. I said, I'm tired of asking for it. I don't see the 523 00:32:24,060 --> 00:32:26,760 momentum. And as we say, in the business, you can't beat a 524 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,670 number one hit out of wax. You know, if something doesn't 525 00:32:29,670 --> 00:32:33,240 catch, I'm trained to pull back and move on to something else. 526 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,970 And if you see something that catches, then I'm always 527 00:32:35,970 --> 00:32:38,460 interested in it. Now. That doesn't mean that lightning 528 00:32:38,460 --> 00:32:40,800 comments are crossed up comments. I'm just saying, 529 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,140 Here's what I'm seeing that's working. Here's what's enjoyable 530 00:32:43,140 --> 00:32:48,210 to me. And the third thing I'll say, and I'll shut up is that my 531 00:32:48,210 --> 00:32:54,300 listeners know agenda listeners already are in a mastodon 532 00:32:54,300 --> 00:33:00,600 community, we have limited the mastodon to 10,000 users. But of 533 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,620 course, there's 1000s More who follow and interact with us 534 00:33:04,620 --> 00:33:10,140 across the fediverse. I set up the comments thread, people use 535 00:33:10,140 --> 00:33:14,430 it, you go to an app that shows it i pod verse, and you can see 536 00:33:14,430 --> 00:33:19,350 it. The complaints there are, it's not underneath the episode, 537 00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:22,830 the way they are on a YouTube video, there are three swipes to 538 00:33:22,830 --> 00:33:27,210 the left in and you can't interact immediately. Because I 539 00:33:27,210 --> 00:33:32,550 think I have part of that new listener. So my frustration is I 540 00:33:32,550 --> 00:33:35,550 can't get the last twos. I've got the threads. I've got people 541 00:33:35,550 --> 00:33:38,220 interacting. I've got everybody read it, read it. I've got 542 00:33:38,220 --> 00:33:43,350 people using the app to listen to the to lit. Give me that last 543 00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:46,500 bit. You know, it's like, just like the booster Graham. And 544 00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:49,440 that's comes back to your YouTube comment, or Alex's 545 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:54,270 YouTube comment. I gotta be looking at something. Maybe I'm 546 00:33:54,270 --> 00:33:56,670 looking at the interface. I'm looking at the album art. I'm 547 00:33:56,670 --> 00:34:00,390 looking at the play button. I'm looking at the slider. And 548 00:34:00,390 --> 00:34:03,900 that's where I got to do my comments, not three, four swipes 549 00:34:03,900 --> 00:34:07,080 left or right. It's all about UX in my mind. 550 00:34:14,010 --> 00:34:15,570 No, no, no, no, no developer 551 00:34:15,570 --> 00:34:16,350 response. 552 00:34:16,830 --> 00:34:20,880 I'm processing because your what's your your your is 553 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,000 interesting, because I didn't realize that your see it sounds 554 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,330 like what you're saying is that your frustration comes from the 555 00:34:27,330 --> 00:34:29,940 fact that you're almost there. But you're not you can't get 556 00:34:29,940 --> 00:34:30,660 over the last two. 557 00:34:30,690 --> 00:34:33,660 Yes, yes. Yes. Thank you. Yes, exactly. 558 00:34:34,140 --> 00:34:38,970 It's an heiress lesson is that we'll see this goes back to our 559 00:34:38,970 --> 00:34:42,480 discussion before about, I think every time we discuss this, 560 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:42,810 it's, 561 00:34:43,230 --> 00:34:46,770 we get better. We get better, we get better. Right? 562 00:34:46,770 --> 00:34:51,480 But you know, and so, because it goes back to our discussion from 563 00:34:51,540 --> 00:34:54,390 a few weeks ago where we were talking about visibility, and 564 00:34:54,390 --> 00:34:58,860 the problem is that the problem is there's a Okay, let's just 565 00:34:58,860 --> 00:35:04,680 take activity pub for a second. Activity pub. Most people's 566 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,070 interaction with activity Pub is going to happen in a mastodon 567 00:35:08,070 --> 00:35:10,530 client. We've just got to be honest about that. That's what's 568 00:35:10,530 --> 00:35:15,570 going to happen. It's mastodon. It's very it's happening. It is 569 00:35:15,570 --> 00:35:21,150 happening. It's done. So the, that's what they that's where 570 00:35:21,150 --> 00:35:28,050 they're commenting at. That's very disconnected from the 571 00:35:28,050 --> 00:35:33,840 podcast app. So, the, the, it seems like what we need to 572 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:38,550 bridge that together. So that is, the reality of the situation 573 00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:42,420 is that if I comment in Mastodon, it will show up in pod 574 00:35:42,420 --> 00:35:46,500 verse. And if pod verse supported, you know, posting 575 00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:49,560 comments back, it would vice versa, and vice versa, it would 576 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,280 show up in Mastodon, but people don't people don't know that. 577 00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:57,030 Well. There's no sense of continuity there. 578 00:35:57,270 --> 00:36:00,690 Yeah, but also, thank you for starting it off by looking at 579 00:36:00,690 --> 00:36:04,530 the stats, I hadn't even realized it. No one knew about 580 00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:08,550 pod verse lit until I told them. And I told them, and I kept 581 00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:11,970 telling them, I kept telling them, I think if, and this is a 582 00:36:11,970 --> 00:36:18,000 gentleman, James, if he's still awake, the general idea that all 583 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,440 of these things should show up in the same place. So I feel is 584 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,770 just as valid to have booster Graham show up. Maybe it shows 585 00:36:25,770 --> 00:36:30,300 up as a boost bot or whatever in the in the thread in the in the 586 00:36:30,300 --> 00:36:33,660 activity pub thread. That's like the chat room that you know, and 587 00:36:33,660 --> 00:36:35,580 I didn't hook all this up, I don't know why it works. 588 00:36:35,580 --> 00:36:38,010 Magically, this shit works, I got boost bots, all kinds of 589 00:36:38,010 --> 00:36:43,620 stuff happening, that and so have that incorporated, and 590 00:36:43,620 --> 00:36:47,010 maybe even. And this I think is something Alex has been 591 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:52,710 championing for separate the payment from the message if if 592 00:36:52,740 --> 00:36:58,620 appropriate, where you may be doing an activity pub comment. 593 00:36:59,010 --> 00:37:01,950 Maybe you want to add a boost to that? 594 00:37:02,670 --> 00:37:03,630 Yeah, okay. Yeah, 595 00:37:03,660 --> 00:37:08,070 we talked about once before the the the activity that the 596 00:37:08,070 --> 00:37:15,030 booster grams go, they start the thread, you know, that, that's 597 00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:18,780 probably where this needs to go is that the booster grams. As 598 00:37:18,780 --> 00:37:22,860 they're happening, they get crossed, posted over to the root 599 00:37:22,860 --> 00:37:26,730 positivity pub, which is a great idea. I'm gonna build that 600 00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:35,370 gem, the pod sage gets a soldering iron. James, please 601 00:37:35,370 --> 00:37:38,040 jump in, because you're very opinionated. And I appreciate 602 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:38,910 your thoughts on this. 603 00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:45,900 I. So one thing that worries me is having three separate places 604 00:37:45,900 --> 00:37:51,720 to chat and to comment, and to leave messages that are intended 605 00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:55,470 to be public messages. So it really worries me that we've got 606 00:37:55,500 --> 00:37:58,560 a thing called booster grams over here. And then a thing 607 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,800 called Activity Powerball across that comments or whatever that 608 00:38:01,830 --> 00:38:04,590 thing is going to work. And then we start talking about noster. 609 00:38:05,490 --> 00:38:10,260 And then we and then we have a, you know, an IRC chat room as 610 00:38:10,260 --> 00:38:17,040 well. All of my experience in community shows that you need a 611 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,850 nobody goes into this is going to be a very English saying that 612 00:38:20,850 --> 00:38:24,660 nobody goes in, nobody goes into an empty pub, right? You always 613 00:38:24,660 --> 00:38:27,420 want you always want to be going in somewhere where there are 614 00:38:27,420 --> 00:38:32,100 other people already there. And so therefore making something 615 00:38:32,490 --> 00:38:35,460 you know, sharding, your comments into three or four 616 00:38:35,460 --> 00:38:40,350 separate lists is just difficult. So it'd be really 617 00:38:40,350 --> 00:38:44,640 good to see a booster ground, for example, automatically 618 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:49,680 appear in the activity pub. And that's social proof showing that 619 00:38:49,830 --> 00:38:53,400 oh, so and so has just given 100,000 SATs. That's that's a 620 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,610 great thing. Maybe I should be doing that. So you've got that 621 00:38:56,610 --> 00:38:58,860 that kind of side of it. The other the other thing I would 622 00:38:58,860 --> 00:39:04,650 say is that activity pub. Yes, it's a really complicated. It's 623 00:39:04,650 --> 00:39:08,790 a really complicated protocol to use and everything else. But 624 00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:12,210 actually, we don't need to, we genuinely do not need to care 625 00:39:12,210 --> 00:39:15,840 about that. All that the podcast app developer needs to care 626 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,610 about is the mastodon API, because of the mastodon API is 627 00:39:20,610 --> 00:39:28,140 supported by other fediverse protocols. Yeah, and so all you 628 00:39:28,140 --> 00:39:33,420 have to have in your app is you have to have the correct Oh auth 629 00:39:33,450 --> 00:39:37,980 once so that you're signing into your into your your activity pub 630 00:39:37,980 --> 00:39:42,900 account. Once you have done that once and that's a hurdle to get 631 00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:46,170 through but once you've done that once then you can post 632 00:39:46,620 --> 00:39:50,850 under your own activity pub account. It occurs to me that if 633 00:39:50,850 --> 00:39:54,870 you are you know if your fountain which I'm an advisor 634 00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:59,910 for but also you know, pot verse or any any of those other any of 635 00:39:59,910 --> 00:40:03,780 that as other people, it occurs to me that if you do not have an 636 00:40:03,780 --> 00:40:08,340 activity pub account, then fountain or whoever, you know, 637 00:40:08,340 --> 00:40:12,690 it's not expensive to run an activity pub server. Mastodon 638 00:40:12,690 --> 00:40:16,560 server literally, yeah, Mastodon server? Yeah, it's not, it's not 639 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,260 massively expensive to end up doing that you could do that 640 00:40:19,260 --> 00:40:21,780 under the hood, you probably don't even need to tell people 641 00:40:21,780 --> 00:40:24,540 where it is. But you could actually do that under the hood 642 00:40:24,540 --> 00:40:27,870 and, and abstract all of that complicated stuff away so that 643 00:40:27,870 --> 00:40:32,160 you end up with something which is, you know, which just which 644 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,090 just works. 645 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,720 So, are you saying, sorry? Are you saying that? And by the way, 646 00:40:36,750 --> 00:40:39,690 you only have to disclose it once per show? Are you saying 647 00:40:39,690 --> 00:40:44,010 that the idea is to have everything flow into activity 648 00:40:44,010 --> 00:40:48,270 pub slash Mastodon for the mastodon API, everything flows, 649 00:40:48,270 --> 00:40:51,000 everything flows into the root post and what the apps are 650 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,770 showing, ultimately, is the activity pub output. 651 00:40:56,970 --> 00:41:00,750 I think that's certainly one way of doing it. Yeah, yeah. And I 652 00:41:00,750 --> 00:41:05,160 think if you were to do that, then everything remains open, 653 00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:09,330 everything remains decentralized. Everything is, is 654 00:41:09,330 --> 00:41:11,970 there. And and that's a slight change to how histograms have 655 00:41:11,970 --> 00:41:16,770 worked in the past Mr. Graham's have kind of been kind of quasi 656 00:41:16,770 --> 00:41:19,530 private, yes, I'm sending a booster gram in because you 657 00:41:19,530 --> 00:41:22,650 might read it out. But they're also you don't have to read it 658 00:41:22,650 --> 00:41:25,650 out, then there might be a private thing. And I think we 659 00:41:25,650 --> 00:41:28,560 just need to, you know, make that a little bit more obvious 660 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,130 in the UI. But I think, again, a quite a lot of this comes back 661 00:41:32,130 --> 00:41:36,450 to the UI. And what what you were saying earlier, Adam, quite 662 00:41:36,450 --> 00:41:39,300 a lot of the issues that you have with cross out comments at 663 00:41:39,300 --> 00:41:42,120 the moment, are actually not technical issues at all grade 664 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,380 their issues around their issues around, it's really hard to find 665 00:41:46,650 --> 00:41:53,040 the cross comments in a typical podcast app. And it would be 666 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,160 great if there was a way of doing that more, you know, 667 00:41:56,490 --> 00:41:59,040 simply the other boat. But by the way, just the other. The 668 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,460 other thing I was just going to say is the pod friend comment 669 00:42:02,490 --> 00:42:06,780 about I want all podcasts on my system to have comments, 670 00:42:07,020 --> 00:42:09,690 completely agree with that. And if you have a look at good 671 00:42:09,690 --> 00:42:16,050 ponds, which is a podcast app, which is wishes out there, they 672 00:42:16,050 --> 00:42:20,100 already have comments for every single podcast out there. The 673 00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:23,700 concern is, I have no idea whether anybody's commenting on 674 00:42:23,700 --> 00:42:27,210 any of the stuff I do. And and I'm not necessarily because I 675 00:42:27,210 --> 00:42:29,520 don't use the app, I'm not necessarily going to go and have 676 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,760 a look at that app all the time. If there was a way for those 677 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:38,580 comments to be, instead of just within that garden, yeah, to be 678 00:42:38,580 --> 00:42:42,900 federated out. And that might be floated out using a good pods. 679 00:42:43,170 --> 00:42:46,890 Mustard on server? I don't know. But that seems to me to be the 680 00:42:46,890 --> 00:42:48,420 most the most sensible plan. 681 00:42:48,450 --> 00:42:52,350 I think that the good pods example is perfect. Is very 682 00:42:52,350 --> 00:42:56,250 analogous to YouTube, because who owns your audience? Good 683 00:42:56,250 --> 00:43:00,450 pots, who owns your audience? YouTube? What Why are people 684 00:43:00,450 --> 00:43:03,480 using youtube comments is right there in your face. It's right 685 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,330 there in your face. Yeah, your comments right there. And you 686 00:43:06,330 --> 00:43:10,200 can read them while you're watching. And or listening. It's 687 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,190 just a UX thing. It and I agree that what you and I think what 688 00:43:14,190 --> 00:43:17,970 you're saying is you log into your instance once, and then 689 00:43:17,970 --> 00:43:22,260 you're always able to comment in in any any of the threads 690 00:43:22,260 --> 00:43:25,200 because you know, it's activity pop, because you don't 691 00:43:26,220 --> 00:43:29,100 know exactly, yeah. And if you if you do it that way, if you 692 00:43:29,100 --> 00:43:34,680 log in, it takes burden off the app for there, the app isn't 693 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,950 having to moderate, the app is not having to run and run an 694 00:43:37,950 --> 00:43:41,400 activity pub system, the apps not having to do the back end of 695 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,660 the app stays the same. And what you're doing is just you're 696 00:43:46,170 --> 00:43:50,610 putting, if I have to if if if in order to comment, I have to 697 00:43:50,610 --> 00:43:55,350 log in to my activity to my Mastodon remarkable Roma, or 698 00:43:55,350 --> 00:43:59,490 whatever this is, if I have to log into the thing that I'm 699 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,960 already posting with and interacting with, then the owner 700 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,050 of that instance, the existing moderation that happens on the 701 00:44:07,050 --> 00:44:10,320 instance is in charge, the app doesn't have to take 702 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,780 responsibility for the moderation of anything. 703 00:44:13,439 --> 00:44:18,179 Unless Unless Unless do this the other the other way if I'm a 704 00:44:18,179 --> 00:44:22,169 brand new user and a brand new user to you know who whoever it 705 00:44:22,169 --> 00:44:26,699 might be fountain or good pods or whatever. Then actually the 706 00:44:26,729 --> 00:44:31,139 the the de facto is that as I sign in to the app, it 707 00:44:31,139 --> 00:44:34,829 automatically builds behind the scenes it automatically makes an 708 00:44:34,829 --> 00:44:40,259 activity pub account for me on their own Mastodon server. So 709 00:44:40,289 --> 00:44:44,069 they're not having to sign into any of this now you can go in in 710 00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:47,489 the in the advanced settings and sign into my own activity pub 711 00:44:47,489 --> 00:44:51,299 stuff in the future. That's fine. But I think actually just 712 00:44:51,299 --> 00:44:55,229 make it really simple so that when you if I've, if I've signed 713 00:44:55,229 --> 00:44:59,969 into fountain or signed into and I don't speak on their behalf 714 00:44:59,999 --> 00:45:03,359 Obviously, but if I've signed into, you know, good pods, then 715 00:45:03,359 --> 00:45:06,749 it's automatically built something in the back end 716 00:45:06,749 --> 00:45:12,419 because all of those API's are available. It's just, it's just, 717 00:45:12,419 --> 00:45:17,729 you know, having to have a, you know, a mastodon server or 718 00:45:17,729 --> 00:45:22,469 something similar or a Roma server hidden away. There for 719 00:45:22,469 --> 00:45:26,189 those users that don't already have one. I think I think it's a 720 00:45:26,189 --> 00:45:31,079 really simple in inverted commas, simple mechanism. And if 721 00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:34,409 there's a way of tying in a booster Graham so that instead 722 00:45:34,409 --> 00:45:38,009 of sending the message in the booster gram, you send the 723 00:45:38,009 --> 00:45:40,799 message on the activity pub, and you send a pointer in the 724 00:45:40,799 --> 00:45:45,179 booster gram message that then gets rid of the length issues 725 00:45:45,179 --> 00:45:48,719 that we've got with booster grams. It gets rid of, you know, 726 00:45:48,749 --> 00:45:51,689 it gets rid of an awful lot of the issues of having two 727 00:45:51,689 --> 00:45:56,369 separate commenting systems that are apart. And you pull 728 00:45:56,369 --> 00:45:58,859 everything back to the activity pub, where those are all 729 00:45:58,859 --> 00:46:00,389 federated. And where you go, 730 00:46:00,420 --> 00:46:04,200 was that something Alex was was evangelizing for Dave to 731 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:05,670 separate the two out or am I 732 00:46:05,790 --> 00:46:07,650 misunderstood? Yeah, yeah, that's Yeah, that's right. And 733 00:46:07,650 --> 00:46:08,370 he built? 734 00:46:08,670 --> 00:46:11,370 He built a whole spec for it, didn't they? Yeah, the JpT. Of 735 00:46:11,370 --> 00:46:19,020 course, yeah. Yeah. So that that's, yeah, I think that's a 736 00:46:19,020 --> 00:46:21,390 good way to go. And the reason I say I'll just I'll build it is 737 00:46:21,390 --> 00:46:30,690 because I think it's, it sounds fairly simple to do. And it 738 00:46:30,690 --> 00:46:33,870 would give it visibility, which I just think that's the biggest, 739 00:46:33,900 --> 00:46:37,230 that's the that is the stumbling block. That's the suffering 740 00:46:37,230 --> 00:46:40,560 point right now is, is the visibility. And so anything that 741 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,160 can be done, to put it in front of people to make it more 742 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,760 visible, I mean, hell, I'll put it on the website. I mean, you 743 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,880 know, we can put surfaces governments can already. Yeah, 744 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:51,180 there you 745 00:46:51,180 --> 00:46:56,400 go. There you go. Now, I used to put for a while I was putting 746 00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,540 booster ground comments that I was getting, from the pod News 747 00:47:00,540 --> 00:47:04,110 Daily, on to the pond news website, which I was able to do, 748 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:09,870 through through something that Oscar was doing at the time. And 749 00:47:09,900 --> 00:47:12,210 that again, you know, it's really good. It's really helpful 750 00:47:12,210 --> 00:47:14,820 social proof, showing that other people are leaving comments 751 00:47:14,850 --> 00:47:17,970 showing that other people, you know, what, what other people 752 00:47:17,970 --> 00:47:21,570 are leaving what other people are saying, super useful. And I 753 00:47:21,570 --> 00:47:26,520 think, you know, again, this does come back to, if you're a 754 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:31,350 podcaster, then it's actually quite lonely. Because you don't 755 00:47:31,380 --> 00:47:34,380 hear from your audience. You don't see your audience. You 756 00:47:34,380 --> 00:47:37,830 don't have any clue other than having a look at some op three 757 00:47:37,830 --> 00:47:41,580 stats, whether or not anybody's actually having a listen. But as 758 00:47:41,580 --> 00:47:44,160 soon as you start getting the comments in as soon as you start 759 00:47:44,310 --> 00:47:47,820 seeing that community, all of a sudden, wow, this is such an 760 00:47:47,820 --> 00:47:48,690 exciting thing. This 761 00:47:48,690 --> 00:47:51,450 is the kind of information and feedback that a host like 762 00:47:51,450 --> 00:47:53,880 Buzzsprout should be sponsoring your show for 763 00:47:57,180 --> 00:47:59,010 I think they're gonna sign it's just that they've not sent the 764 00:47:59,010 --> 00:47:59,490 paperwork. 765 00:47:59,609 --> 00:48:03,989 I'm just I'm just trying to help anybody raise money anybody any 766 00:48:03,989 --> 00:48:04,469 Thank you. 767 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,690 Any stats or put stats are a poor substitute for that. 768 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,140 But that's, you know, if you Yeah, 769 00:48:14,250 --> 00:48:15,570 exactly it if you 770 00:48:15,570 --> 00:48:19,770 ask anybody what why do you like this host they got great stats. 771 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,950 It's not because of the stats because what do you get a number 772 00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:26,280 and oh, I pitch someone in Lithuania. I mean, that's pretty 773 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,760 much the idea but that's it's not about the numbers it's about 774 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,940 the love the feedback that you're not really getting it's 775 00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:38,220 it's fake almost it's it's an aggregation. It's not that one 776 00:48:38,220 --> 00:48:40,950 to one. It's not that community which podcasting is so good at 777 00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:41,700 turns out 778 00:48:42,300 --> 00:48:44,430 the only thing wrong with that is there's not really anybody in 779 00:48:44,430 --> 00:48:45,060 Lithuania. 780 00:48:46,590 --> 00:48:49,290 Lithuania and what are you talking about? Yeah, but 781 00:48:49,290 --> 00:48:51,870 she's here. She's not there. Oh, that's right. The one Lithuanian 782 00:48:51,870 --> 00:48:55,290 is here. You're right. Yes. Like people from Vermont don't exist. 783 00:48:55,290 --> 00:48:55,470 She's 784 00:48:55,470 --> 00:49:01,590 a backup Russian basically think of the bat. Now, James brought 785 00:49:01,590 --> 00:49:04,110 up Nastar. I just wanted to say something not about noster 786 00:49:04,110 --> 00:49:10,140 specifically, but about the concept of these types of peer 787 00:49:10,140 --> 00:49:14,430 to peer systems, storage systems, you know, IPFS and you 788 00:49:14,430 --> 00:49:17,580 know, there's a whole bunch of different things that are out 789 00:49:17,580 --> 00:49:20,130 there that we've talked about many times. And I had an 790 00:49:20,130 --> 00:49:23,160 experience or Christopher Eisenstein and I had an 791 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,550 experience which was very telling and I want to share 792 00:49:26,550 --> 00:49:31,980 that. So Christopher who was the the OPML RSS feed hound, what 793 00:49:31,980 --> 00:49:34,320 was his nickname? Sweetest the sweetest tricolor sweetest 794 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:39,570 trick? So he's gotten that into his into his craw with you, I 795 00:49:39,570 --> 00:49:43,860 think you're conspiring with him to rebuild the entire entire 796 00:49:43,890 --> 00:49:48,390 entire daily source code archive feed, he's looking for images, 797 00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:53,940 he's gonna do a complete 2.0 I mean, the whole works. And for a 798 00:49:53,940 --> 00:49:58,140 whole number of reasons. I don't have an archive of all these 799 00:49:58,140 --> 00:50:05,190 shows. And he finds one single bit torrent Sync Node still 800 00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:10,230 running. And I used to publish my DSC at a certain point all on 801 00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:13,920 BT sync, if anybody can remember it. I remember that. Yeah. And 802 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,650 Bt sync also had this promise that they would be able to you 803 00:50:16,650 --> 00:50:19,650 be able to do live, live streaming and everyone, it would 804 00:50:19,650 --> 00:50:22,140 be shared bandwidth. You wouldn't need a server and then 805 00:50:22,350 --> 00:50:25,470 I think they pivoted got acquired or something happened. 806 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:30,270 But the fact that, oh, my goodness, how many years is it 807 00:50:30,270 --> 00:50:33,420 now? I don't know, when I when I did the last daily source code. 808 00:50:34,530 --> 00:50:37,680 In fact, 10 years that they're all 809 00:50:37,710 --> 00:50:42,900 still available, despite domain name changes company going out 810 00:50:42,900 --> 00:50:48,030 of business being sold. No idea, no two divorces, three 811 00:50:48,030 --> 00:50:53,130 marriages. And there's one lone person still running a BT Sync 812 00:50:53,130 --> 00:50:56,550 Node with those archives that says something about these 813 00:50:56,550 --> 00:50:58,440 systems that cannot be discounted. 814 00:51:00,180 --> 00:51:02,580 That's a good point. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good but I mean, 815 00:51:02,580 --> 00:51:04,050 that's, that's the promise of 816 00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,730 it's true. came true for me came true for me. 817 00:51:10,530 --> 00:51:15,540 Yeah, that's, that's the that's the thing about? Yeah, it's 818 00:51:15,540 --> 00:51:18,090 funny that you went into that through the noster. Portal, 819 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,910 because that's, you know, our thought and thought portal, 820 00:51:20,910 --> 00:51:26,010 because that's the idea with even more so with the DHT space 821 00:51:26,010 --> 00:51:28,380 with IPFS. And those kinds of things that once it's there, 822 00:51:28,380 --> 00:51:33,270 it's there. Like it's not, it's almost like becomes just like 823 00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:34,320 background radiation. 824 00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:40,080 Low Level radiation. Yeah. But the Geiger counters go. It's, 825 00:51:40,140 --> 00:51:44,730 it's, it is it's truly out there. You can live forever. 826 00:51:44,730 --> 00:51:49,350 Basically. i It's something really to be thought about, you 827 00:51:49,350 --> 00:51:52,230 know, you have a unique identifier to get something. And 828 00:51:52,350 --> 00:51:56,700 Bt sync isn't even that great as in my opinion as a decentralized 829 00:51:56,700 --> 00:51:57,210 system. 830 00:51:58,590 --> 00:52:01,770 But resilient resilio I think is what they change. They're that 831 00:52:01,770 --> 00:52:05,820 companies that switched. I think that's their name now. Because 832 00:52:05,820 --> 00:52:08,130 they went into like a they tried to compete with like Dropbox. 833 00:52:08,220 --> 00:52:08,580 Oh, 834 00:52:08,610 --> 00:52:11,430 yeah, exactly. They got money into the Oh, we got to make some 835 00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:13,440 money. And Dropbox is doing good. Let's do that. 836 00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,740 Yeah, well, I mean, I think I think when it comes to growth, 837 00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:21,420 so this, this new class of user, they were talking about that, 838 00:52:22,020 --> 00:52:25,980 that loves come in, and maybe maybe new is not the right term, 839 00:52:26,340 --> 00:52:29,580 this different class of user that's been underrepresented in 840 00:52:29,580 --> 00:52:36,690 traditional podcast hubs. They, it's the idea of growing, 841 00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:42,870 growing podcasting with that with that user base, as refugees 842 00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:47,010 are, that's probably not a not a right term either. But when 843 00:52:47,010 --> 00:52:50,400 we've sort of seen that like, like, we saw that with Twitter, 844 00:52:50,670 --> 00:52:53,790 I mean, all these tweets, all the sudden Twitter, people 845 00:52:53,790 --> 00:52:56,610 people poured out of Twitter into Mastodon, 846 00:52:56,910 --> 00:53:00,180 which I've always said, it can happen, it happens all the time. 847 00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:00,660 Yeah, 848 00:53:00,750 --> 00:53:04,410 they just they just, there's this been this huge migration, 849 00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:08,310 you know, of people away from Twitter into Mastodon away from 850 00:53:08,310 --> 00:53:13,110 a closed ecosystem into an open federated system. The same thing 851 00:53:13,110 --> 00:53:17,700 can also happen from closed ecosystems like YouTube and 852 00:53:17,700 --> 00:53:22,530 Twitch over to podcasting. If we build the vision correctly, that 853 00:53:22,530 --> 00:53:24,780 was the vision that we laid out, you know, like a Podcast 854 00:53:24,780 --> 00:53:26,430 Movement in our talks that for people, 855 00:53:27,450 --> 00:53:30,480 not enough people came to the talk. Yeah, cuz they're all at 856 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,790 lunch. It was all our fans 857 00:53:34,500 --> 00:53:37,230 singing to the choir, but like that was the vision was that 858 00:53:37,230 --> 00:53:42,750 okay? Imagine? Imagine a real night. Yes. Imagine a world 859 00:53:42,750 --> 00:53:44,700 where there's global notifications that go out in 860 00:53:44,700 --> 00:53:48,450 real time about podcasts that go live. And then you know, and 861 00:53:48,450 --> 00:53:51,120 then you have live streams, and then you have chat, and then you 862 00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,990 have comments. And then you have payments, like a mat. That is 863 00:53:55,110 --> 00:53:58,110 that is the Twitch YouTube experience. And it can exist in 864 00:53:58,110 --> 00:54:03,390 a podcast app. Like, and it's not silly or pie in the sky to 865 00:54:03,390 --> 00:54:06,540 think of it because we just saw it happen with Twitter. Yeah, 866 00:54:06,570 --> 00:54:08,490 exactly. Just so everybody bail, 867 00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,340 but we saw it happen with MySpace we saw we've seen it 868 00:54:11,340 --> 00:54:14,640 happen with so many things, geo cities. I mean, look, but I 869 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:15,810 think AOL first time 870 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,600 but Adam, I think this is the first time it's happened where 871 00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,470 they've bailed not to another closed system but to openness. 872 00:54:22,770 --> 00:54:25,680 Usually they bail out of openness closes 873 00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,800 the funny thing is they don't really realize what they've 874 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:35,190 built into I mean, when you see stories like CEO of Mastodon 875 00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:41,460 declined investment lines investment, CEO 876 00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:49,350 reporting just appalling, hasnat and just really bad. But yeah, I 877 00:54:49,350 --> 00:54:55,140 mean, to me, you've got a lot of a lot of very light podcast 878 00:54:55,140 --> 00:54:58,890 users who are using YouTube to listen to podcasts who are using 879 00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,250 Spotify to listen to podcasts, that's where the light podcast 880 00:55:02,250 --> 00:55:07,500 users are the heavy ones are using more bespoke ads, more 881 00:55:07,500 --> 00:55:10,620 bespoke apps, they're using Apple podcasts, if if they have 882 00:55:10,620 --> 00:55:15,960 an Apple device, they're using other, you know, like, overcast 883 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:20,670 and Pocket Casts and all that kind of stuff and, and where the 884 00:55:20,670 --> 00:55:25,710 growth I think, is, is taking those occasional podcast 885 00:55:25,710 --> 00:55:29,280 listeners who are still there on YouTube and on Spotify, and 886 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:34,020 pulling them over to an open app, which has much better stuff 887 00:55:34,020 --> 00:55:36,990 in there. And I'll tell you why. If we can get cross out comments 888 00:55:36,990 --> 00:55:42,420 are working well, before Spotify puts it in their in their own 889 00:55:42,420 --> 00:55:45,810 app, then you know, you can you can well see that that is going 890 00:55:45,810 --> 00:55:49,470 to be one reason why people will want to make that particular 891 00:55:49,470 --> 00:55:49,800 switch. 892 00:55:49,829 --> 00:55:53,339 And when I pitched a Joe Rogan to come to podcasting 2.0 At the 893 00:55:53,339 --> 00:55:58,019 end of this end of his contract, I'd love to be able to Pat 894 00:55:58,019 --> 00:56:00,059 pitch, the fact that your comments will be back man, and 895 00:56:00,059 --> 00:56:01,079 you'll have control of them, 896 00:56:02,010 --> 00:56:04,830 though Yeah, for sure. Yeah, absolutely. When he joins a cast 897 00:56:04,830 --> 00:56:09,480 or whatever it is, he's going to cost one. 898 00:56:09,630 --> 00:56:13,290 I'm sorry to report I'm scheduled to appear in January 899 00:56:13,290 --> 00:56:17,100 and Jameson, I'm going back into the into the horrible horrible 900 00:56:17,100 --> 00:56:21,000 confines of Rogan. But I shall I shall promote our shit, brother. 901 00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:22,260 I'll tell you that. Excellent. 902 00:56:25,230 --> 00:56:30,270 That's, that's funny that I wonder. It was so you know, 903 00:56:30,270 --> 00:56:32,430 somebody like, it's, 904 00:56:32,790 --> 00:56:34,860 you don't need yourself. You don't need somebody. I'm just 905 00:56:34,860 --> 00:56:39,000 gonna say right now. If that's what you're gonna say, a lot of 906 00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:43,290 people say, We just gotta Rogan. It'll be all over now. No, no, 907 00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,470 that's what you needed was an Elon Musk, the fuckup. Twitter. 908 00:56:46,590 --> 00:56:49,770 There was no big name that went to Macedon. Pay attention. 909 00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:50,190 Right? 910 00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,650 Right. What Yeah, what doesn't say is like, I wonder if a 911 00:56:52,650 --> 00:56:58,530 person like, I wonder if a person like Rogan. Like the 912 00:56:58,530 --> 00:57:03,750 problem is you we can't. Okay, I guess I'm what I'm trying to do 913 00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:07,200 is still flesh out the vision there. Because the vision is to 914 00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:12,780 get to these these other users. Let me let me attack this in a 915 00:57:12,780 --> 00:57:16,080 different way. I'm not came out of the wrong direction. You're 916 00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,550 the pot, the when you think of podcast listeners, you think of 917 00:57:20,550 --> 00:57:25,020 a certain type of person. You know, you can kind of see them 918 00:57:25,020 --> 00:57:31,200 in your head. And it's, it's somebody that's not just the 919 00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,620 average person walking down the street. Like, there's still this 920 00:57:34,770 --> 00:57:38,460 sort of box that you put podcast listeners into where they're, I 921 00:57:38,460 --> 00:57:41,610 don't want to say geeky, but they're sort of geeked out about 922 00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,640 what a podcast is. It's like people have to be into 923 00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:50,070 podcasting, to listen to podcasts. And that's not it's 924 00:57:50,070 --> 00:57:53,640 sort of like people who are into audio books or audio book people 925 00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,840 in like you in order. There's a there's a chance here to grow 926 00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,950 that to grow podcasting. I think in order to get the YouTube 927 00:58:01,950 --> 00:58:08,340 people in order to get radio people over to podcast apps, you 928 00:58:08,340 --> 00:58:12,330 have to make it less podcast D. I guess that's what I'm trying 929 00:58:12,330 --> 00:58:18,450 to say is the podcast app itself has to be less, less rageous. 930 00:58:18,450 --> 00:58:21,930 Yeah, what a podcast listener is supposed to be 931 00:58:21,959 --> 00:58:25,289 or what a podcast listening experience app is supposed to 932 00:58:25,289 --> 00:58:29,279 be. Have. I not said this from day one. Right? Like, that's why 933 00:58:29,279 --> 00:58:33,719 I would appreciate roofie shit. Like, what is it? What is open 934 00:58:33,719 --> 00:58:35,549 windows everywhere, but it's different. 935 00:58:35,939 --> 00:58:40,799 There's a guy at work in our office that listens to he's just 936 00:58:40,799 --> 00:58:45,239 subscribed to Sirius XM. And he listens to it in his car, and 937 00:58:45,239 --> 00:58:50,459 then he listens to it on their streaming thing at his desk 938 00:58:50,459 --> 00:58:54,119 while he's working. And like that guy could listen to pie. He 939 00:58:54,119 --> 00:58:59,099 could listen in a podcast app if the content was there. And if 940 00:58:59,099 --> 00:59:03,929 the interface was such that it looked like a normal player 941 00:59:03,929 --> 00:59:07,829 experience like if I guess what I'm saying is this the content 942 00:59:08,069 --> 00:59:11,129 was presented through the app like oh, here's some light 943 00:59:11,129 --> 00:59:14,699 here's live content here's like, country music. Here's under 944 00:59:14,909 --> 00:59:18,689 retro here's you know talk radio. Here's this here's here's 945 00:59:18,690 --> 00:59:21,210 some fun oh yeah, here's here's something different 946 00:59:21,210 --> 00:59:26,220 a news Dave you've just invented the I heart app and many 947 00:59:26,220 --> 00:59:29,550 congratulations for that but that's but that's exactly what 948 00:59:29,580 --> 00:59:33,750 the big radio groups are doing. They are merging live radio so I 949 00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:37,530 heart is like this Odyssey is like this radio.com up sale by 950 00:59:37,530 --> 00:59:38,820 the way in case anybody wants those 951 00:59:38,820 --> 00:59:44,640 guys need money so bad they're so bad for them. That's hard. I 952 00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,220 know exactly. Don't worry investors will be able to Don't 953 00:59:47,220 --> 00:59:49,470 worry guys, we'll be able to cover payroll this month. We're 954 00:59:49,470 --> 00:59:51,870 selling radio.com Yeah, but 955 00:59:51,870 --> 00:59:54,900 the problem is you can't Yes, that's I hurt but you can't but 956 00:59:54,900 --> 00:59:57,750 they they don't make any money off. I mean, like they're not 957 00:59:57,780 --> 00:59:59,970 that's this does not 958 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,940 Read that I mean, they do make some money, but they don't make 959 01:00:02,970 --> 01:00:07,770 a very much I think in total all of our hearts podcasting stuff 960 01:00:07,770 --> 01:00:12,060 was about 6% of their of their revenue last quarter 961 01:00:13,140 --> 01:00:14,730 of their expense loss. 962 01:00:15,389 --> 01:00:19,859 Quite possibly, quite possibly. But I think but you know, there 963 01:00:19,859 --> 01:00:24,869 is there is certainly, you know, the big radio groups and the BBC 964 01:00:24,869 --> 01:00:30,149 sounds is the same. NPR one to an extent is the same. At the 965 01:00:30,149 --> 01:00:33,509 ABC listen app here in Australia. All of these apps 966 01:00:33,509 --> 01:00:39,269 emerging, emerging the live and the on demand and the on demand 967 01:00:39,269 --> 01:00:42,929 music and the on demand audio, I'm not necessarily sure that 968 01:00:42,929 --> 01:00:46,409 that is the problem. I think the problem is more, you know, I 969 01:00:46,409 --> 01:00:49,589 have just refilled my my fountain app, just just in case, 970 01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:58,619 Adam mentions the 100,000. And, and I was and I was in there 971 01:00:58,649 --> 01:01:01,709 going, Oh, God, how do I do this? Again? What were What am 972 01:01:01,709 --> 01:01:06,779 I, you know, I need to copy this, this invoice over on to 973 01:01:07,169 --> 01:01:11,729 Google notes so that I can then open it on my, on my laptop. So 974 01:01:12,270 --> 01:01:14,640 you've got a crazy way of doing it. I don't know what 975 01:01:17,100 --> 01:01:19,350 he's actually saying, how on earth do I get all of this 976 01:01:19,350 --> 01:01:24,000 stuff? But anyway, and I think a lot of this comes down to user 977 01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,730 interface. I mean, it's what Adam was saying earlier about 978 01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:30,060 wanting to make the comments, you know, visible as soon as 979 01:01:30,060 --> 01:01:33,000 you're having a listen, a lot of this comes down to user 980 01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,630 interface. And I'm afraid, you know, as as I know, because I'm 981 01:01:36,690 --> 01:01:40,740 I'm good, I think at the coding up a website, but I'm not very 982 01:01:40,740 --> 01:01:45,330 good at the IA I'm not very good at the you know, the user 983 01:01:45,330 --> 01:01:48,510 interface of actually, you know, does this look pretty enough? 984 01:01:48,510 --> 01:01:52,230 Does it work? Yes. Does does this look pretty off now? And I 985 01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:56,130 think that's probably where we've got to, we've got 986 01:01:59,580 --> 01:02:01,470 David interface King, baby, 987 01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:03,810 yeah, you are master. 988 01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:08,250 But I do I mean, but I do have to say, you know, the super 989 01:02:08,250 --> 01:02:11,850 Sukra op three pages that we've seen, but we can't, that we 990 01:02:11,850 --> 01:02:14,640 can't talk about. One of the things just to break through 991 01:02:14,790 --> 01:02:19,500 those rules and say is that it looks beautiful. And John has 992 01:02:19,500 --> 01:02:24,270 spent a long, long time making sure that every single pixel is 993 01:02:24,270 --> 01:02:27,570 right on that page and the graphs working exactly the way 994 01:02:27,570 --> 01:02:29,490 that you expect and everything else. But 995 01:02:29,490 --> 01:02:31,560 it's easy when you're a billionaire, and you can do that 996 01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:38,520 24 hours a day. I mean, that's Yeah, but I think you make a 997 01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:43,260 really good point. We're at the UI UX level now with our issues. 998 01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:47,940 And considering where we're coming from and of course I hear 999 01:02:47,940 --> 01:02:53,970 you with the with the filling up the wallets, etc. My wife Tina 1000 01:02:53,970 --> 01:02:58,710 and I we do a podcast only ever submitted to the index. We don't 1001 01:02:58,710 --> 01:03:03,750 accept Paypal, we and we begged people we try and help them we 1002 01:03:03,750 --> 01:03:09,300 answer emails Instagrams personally, just to get because 1003 01:03:09,300 --> 01:03:12,810 people really want to, they really want to give them they 1004 01:03:12,810 --> 01:03:15,330 really want to support the show, they really want to do what they 1005 01:03:15,330 --> 01:03:20,520 want to get into the SAS. And it's a lot of them are older 250 1006 01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:24,570 Plus, and they're fallen off the off the ledge and everything. So 1007 01:03:24,570 --> 01:03:28,980 it is purely UI UX stuff. And we're gonna get there because 1008 01:03:28,980 --> 01:03:33,600 I've seen the improvements every single time. And I'll say that 1009 01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:37,170 we have so many beautiful pieces. If you look at all the 1010 01:03:37,170 --> 01:03:41,370 different apps, like you know, my go to web app is still curio 1011 01:03:41,370 --> 01:03:43,980 casters fast, like boom, I can get shit done and does 1012 01:03:43,980 --> 01:03:46,950 everything I want to do. Doesn't doesn't download. So there's 1013 01:03:46,950 --> 01:03:49,260 other issues I have, but that's just of the nature of what it 1014 01:03:49,260 --> 01:03:54,570 is. I look at fountain, I'm not an advisor, but man, they are 1015 01:03:54,630 --> 01:03:58,350 killing it killing it on the marketing. They're just they're 1016 01:03:58,350 --> 01:04:02,040 giving you shit to share. It's like I'm proud of the money I 1017 01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:05,100 gave away. I want to share this image. I'm pissed off that the 1018 01:04:05,100 --> 01:04:07,950 first image was an old account, I want to show more money that I 1019 01:04:07,950 --> 01:04:13,800 gave away. And and this is another element that you know, 1020 01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:18,600 not everyone gets it. Everybody has a great piece they're doing 1021 01:04:19,290 --> 01:04:23,130 and I encourage all developers look at look at everyone else. 1022 01:04:23,970 --> 01:04:26,100 Look at what they're doing and there's so much to be learned 1023 01:04:26,100 --> 01:04:29,400 from each other. And then ultimately coming back to you 1024 01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:35,790 Dave Hell yeah, some some new experience. I mean, I you know, 1025 01:04:35,820 --> 01:04:38,940 once we start to tie we can really tie remote item and 1026 01:04:38,940 --> 01:04:42,900 everything together. And I can play a song that someone has not 1027 01:04:43,170 --> 01:04:49,140 not licensed to ASCAP BMI, but they're 2.0 and and then you 1028 01:04:49,140 --> 01:04:51,990 know, someone can listen to that the SATs flow to them 1029 01:04:51,990 --> 01:04:54,660 automatically when they're listening to my show. They can 1030 01:04:54,660 --> 01:04:58,920 click and then there's the guys or gals whole album. I mean, 1031 01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:01,860 this is these are dreams that I have? 1032 01:05:03,959 --> 01:05:05,939 Yeah, I think there's I think it's just one of those. 1033 01:05:06,119 --> 01:05:09,989 We have the blocks. We have all the pieces. Yeah. And 1034 01:05:10,020 --> 01:05:13,140 yeah, I think we've got the pieces. We've got the stuff to 1035 01:05:13,140 --> 01:05:15,630 put these things together and by and and, you know, I mean, 1036 01:05:15,630 --> 01:05:18,660 Farrington has just released some incredible data about the 1037 01:05:18,660 --> 01:05:22,800 growth of the amount of value for value podcasts, for example, 1038 01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:28,830 which I don't know anything about in 10,600 podcasts using 1039 01:05:28,830 --> 01:05:32,160 value for value out there. We knew that that's that's our 1040 01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:40,320 stats grown. That's grown as grown from zero to 1000. At the 1041 01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:45,570 beginning of this year, so more than 6.7 million transactions on 1042 01:05:45,570 --> 01:05:50,700 fountain this year. 2.1 bitcoins sent to podcasters. On found 1043 01:05:50,730 --> 01:05:53,850 Wow. Wow. 1044 01:05:54,420 --> 01:05:56,790 30 is $35,000. James. 1045 01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:05,640 Yeah. 3 million. It's 3 million next year. 3 million. Yeah, 1046 01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:06,090 that's right. 1047 01:06:07,050 --> 01:06:11,010 Yes. 77,000 boosts sent on fountain I mean, you've got 1048 01:06:11,340 --> 01:06:14,670 these all of these numbers, which you guys are so 1049 01:06:14,670 --> 01:06:18,690 responsible for. And you know, you should be you should really 1050 01:06:18,690 --> 01:06:23,640 look back at 2022 as the year were from really turned a 1051 01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:24,060 corner. 1052 01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,930 excellent segue, James. Thank you. I appreciate that. Tony. 1053 01:06:31,050 --> 01:06:33,780 Tell us more about the past year. James. I know you've 1054 01:06:33,780 --> 01:06:35,940 thought about you're not even doing your own show. You're on 1055 01:06:35,940 --> 01:06:38,670 vacation. You took a break. You're on you're on what do they 1056 01:06:38,670 --> 01:06:39,870 call it a hiatus? 1057 01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,950 Well, podcast, podcast weekly. Yes. This has taken a two week 1058 01:06:43,950 --> 01:06:46,890 holiday because you know, we've got lives doing? 1059 01:06:47,700 --> 01:06:51,390 How far did you have to dig into Google News this week to find 1060 01:06:51,420 --> 01:06:53,340 any new story about podcasts? 1061 01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:57,990 I tell you one of the biggest mistakes that I made when I made 1062 01:06:58,020 --> 01:07:02,370 the pod news website six or so years ago, when I built that 1063 01:07:02,370 --> 01:07:05,370 that thing, I built the classified ads system, and the 1064 01:07:05,370 --> 01:07:09,690 classified ad system has, it will sell you ads on Monday, 1065 01:07:09,690 --> 01:07:13,020 Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday. It has no concept of 1066 01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,110 you know, Christmas Day Independence Day, it's got no 1067 01:07:16,110 --> 01:07:20,670 concept of any locale, any public holidays whatsoever. And 1068 01:07:20,670 --> 01:07:23,520 so therefore, I have to publish every single day. It makes it 1069 01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,580 easier to sell advertising that way. And that kind of makes 1070 01:07:26,580 --> 01:07:30,540 sense. But and so therefore for the last week, man, it's been, 1071 01:07:30,900 --> 01:07:34,050 you know, desperately going through games. Anything 1072 01:07:34,050 --> 01:07:35,370 mentioned podcasting. 1073 01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:40,200 Where am I gonna get I did have a comment on one of your artwork 1074 01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:44,130 on one of your stories from today. Oh, here we go. No, no, I 1075 01:07:44,130 --> 01:07:45,930 just want to make sure you understood because I thought it 1076 01:07:45,930 --> 01:07:49,770 was a bigger story than maybe you realized. Live one. 1077 01:07:49,770 --> 01:07:54,600 Podcasting is yes. Separating from Radio One. So I looked at 1078 01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,300 the story and of course the customer on Yeah, yes, a podcast 1079 01:07:57,300 --> 01:08:02,460 one and I I subscribe to the newsletter and I click through 1080 01:08:02,670 --> 01:08:06,720 they filed an S one. That's not just spinning out. That's that's 1081 01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:10,860 filing to go public. Yeah, very. And you said you know, 1082 01:08:10,860 --> 01:08:13,560 potentially, but I mean, when you file an S one, you've 1083 01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,530 already hired lawyers. They've been up your ass for six months. 1084 01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,830 This is much more than just hey, we're spinning out it's a big 1085 01:08:19,830 --> 01:08:23,040 deal. Are they insane? Do you think that they can actually 1086 01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:23,460 take this 1087 01:08:23,850 --> 01:08:26,070 spinning out? Are they spinning off is what I'm 1088 01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:27,900 well out of control? 1089 01:08:27,900 --> 01:08:31,680 I think so when you when you have look at this I think that 1090 01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:36,000 podcast one is all of the all of the good stories are still 1091 01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,210 around podcasting, even even talking about you know, a 1092 01:08:39,210 --> 01:08:41,790 potential recession and all of that all of the good stories are 1093 01:08:41,790 --> 01:08:45,000 still about podcasting. Their filing is a great read if you 1094 01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:48,270 are interested in raising money through podcasting they're 1095 01:08:48,270 --> 01:08:51,870 finding is a great read because it has loads of really good very 1096 01:08:51,870 --> 01:08:58,470 positive stuff. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So my and when you 1097 01:08:58,470 --> 01:09:02,130 have look at live ones alive one is a business which owns podcast 1098 01:09:02,130 --> 01:09:05,970 one right now. It's a it's an events, business events have 1099 01:09:05,970 --> 01:09:08,910 been having a really rocky time over the last three years, 1100 01:09:09,090 --> 01:09:12,330 partially because of COVID. But also because you know, the world 1101 01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:13,680 The world is changing as well 1102 01:09:13,710 --> 01:09:17,610 master bullshit, all kinds of Yes. So you 1103 01:09:17,610 --> 01:09:20,550 know, from live one's point of view live one is not a great 1104 01:09:20,550 --> 01:09:22,770 business. And live one hasn't been a great business for the 1105 01:09:22,770 --> 01:09:26,100 last for the last two or three years or so. Podcast one, 1106 01:09:26,100 --> 01:09:29,160 though. Fantastic. And so my suspicion is that they're doing 1107 01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:32,640 what I heart has done, and they're splitting this company 1108 01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:35,940 into two, they're splitting the company into the exciting bit 1109 01:09:35,940 --> 01:09:38,760 that we can talk about a lot that we can, that we can earn 1110 01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:43,560 lots of money out of and the and the bit that we aren't earning 1111 01:09:43,590 --> 01:09:46,830 very much money out of and at some point we might sell off. So 1112 01:09:46,830 --> 01:09:48,180 let's talk about that. 1113 01:09:49,529 --> 01:09:53,159 So what do they I have not read the last one except for the 1114 01:09:53,159 --> 01:09:57,389 marketing but what do they believe that's the only thing 1115 01:09:57,389 --> 01:09:59,999 that's important? What do they believe and all the rest is if 1116 01:09:59,999 --> 01:10:03,239 We fuck up. It's not our fault. You can't sue us. What did they 1117 01:10:03,239 --> 01:10:07,499 believe the TAM is? What is the total addressable market? They 1118 01:10:07,499 --> 01:10:10,559 believe because if they're going public, and they're talking 1119 01:10:10,559 --> 01:10:13,769 about 6 million shares, I haven't looked at the 1120 01:10:13,769 --> 01:10:17,999 capitalization. But the company itself will be worth more than 1121 01:10:17,999 --> 01:10:21,809 all the advertising, no doubt, it'll be valued at more than a 1122 01:10:21,809 --> 01:10:24,989 billion dollars. Otherwise, you're not going public at all 1123 01:10:24,989 --> 01:10:28,859 these days. How does that square with the so called $1 billion 1124 01:10:29,159 --> 01:10:32,249 industry that podcasting is which as you know, I'm very 1125 01:10:32,249 --> 01:10:33,179 skeptical of 1126 01:10:34,470 --> 01:10:38,400 yeah, very skeptical of and the current figure, by the way, for 1127 01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:41,490 2021, not even 2022, which hasn't come out yet. Of course, 1128 01:10:41,490 --> 01:10:44,100 it won't be out for another six months or so. But the current 1129 01:10:44,100 --> 01:10:48,300 figure is 1.4 billion. But according to the these guys, 1130 01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:49,860 according to the IPS guys 1131 01:10:49,860 --> 01:10:58,350 did $32 million in 2021 2022, 1132 01:10:58,710 --> 01:11:05,460 yes. So podcasts one and three point $32 million in the year 1133 01:11:05,460 --> 01:11:09,990 ending March 2022, which was a 36% improvement. They say I 1134 01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:13,950 know. But where's the the thought experiment I like to do. 1135 01:11:14,610 --> 01:11:20,880 If you made one $1 a second. It will take you 12 days to get to 1136 01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:26,250 a million. If you earn $1 a second, it will take you 31 1137 01:11:26,250 --> 01:11:33,270 years to get to a billion. So a billion is so far off from this 1138 01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:36,240 32 point 3 million. These are one of the biggest players there 1139 01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:43,230 is. Where is all the money. I see maybe a couple 100 million. 1140 01:11:43,260 --> 01:11:47,910 I just don't see a billion James invested? Well, they're 1141 01:11:47,970 --> 01:11:49,470 combining things. 1142 01:11:49,919 --> 01:11:54,029 Yeah. So the way that that that 1 billion number and by the way, 1143 01:11:54,029 --> 01:11:56,609 that 1 billion number is a US only number. So 1144 01:11:59,310 --> 01:12:02,610 that's just America. Oh, yeah. Number one, the American number 1145 01:12:02,610 --> 01:12:03,000 one. 1146 01:12:04,620 --> 01:12:09,030 So the way I understand that the IBW puts that number together is 1147 01:12:09,030 --> 01:12:13,290 that so it? Firstly, it's an estimate. Let's not forget the 1148 01:12:13,290 --> 01:12:16,620 fact that it's an estimate, the way that they the way that they 1149 01:12:16,620 --> 01:12:19,770 do it is that they talk to all of their members. And they say 1150 01:12:19,770 --> 01:12:24,930 how much money have you made? How much do you know about your 1151 01:12:24,930 --> 01:12:28,170 competitors in this space? How much money are they making? So 1152 01:12:28,170 --> 01:12:31,320 that they can then come up with a total market estimate? Which 1153 01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:34,770 is what they do it? And since 2015? What, thank you. 1154 01:12:35,759 --> 01:12:39,659 Yes, that mean that guess who did the two biggest players that 1155 01:12:39,659 --> 01:12:42,539 have public kind? I mean, Spotify doesn't really break it 1156 01:12:42,539 --> 01:12:45,869 out. But we got a pretty good idea. They're losing money. So 1157 01:12:46,139 --> 01:12:48,749 I'm just saying where is it? And if it's 1158 01:12:49,139 --> 01:12:55,919 because one is is probably in terms of where it lies. I mean, 1159 01:12:55,919 --> 01:13:00,809 it's probably 14, it's right, number 14 on pod Tracks list of 1160 01:13:00,809 --> 01:13:03,539 top podcast publishers, which means that it's probably about 1161 01:13:03,539 --> 01:13:06,989 number 20. So, you know, imagine that 1162 01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:11,850 we talked to Jim Dallas over there he for a while he was he 1163 01:13:11,850 --> 01:13:15,720 was there as their CTO and he was, you know, loaded. We talked 1164 01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:22,260 to Jim Dallas. He maybe it was just me, but we like he was 1165 01:13:22,260 --> 01:13:24,900 asking about podcasting. 2.0 tags, and he was going to, you 1166 01:13:24,900 --> 01:13:26,940 know, they were going to put some podcasting 2.0 stuff in 1167 01:13:26,940 --> 01:13:29,820 their feeds and that kind of thing. It was we had a couple of 1168 01:13:29,820 --> 01:13:33,120 good meetings with him. And then he then he bailed and went to 1169 01:13:33,150 --> 01:13:41,730 Magellan. Oh, well, that that seemed like a move. That didn't 1170 01:13:41,910 --> 01:13:46,110 bode well for podcast one. I mean, I'm just on the I'm just 1171 01:13:46,110 --> 01:13:48,900 trying to read tea leaves from the outside here. But I thought 1172 01:13:48,930 --> 01:13:52,680 Oh, okay. Well, if somebody if their CTO wants to get out and 1173 01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:56,880 go to Magellan Magellan, which is I mean, I have to assume 1174 01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:01,080 that's, you know, not is not a vote of Comcast one. Yeah, I 1175 01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:04,350 mean, like that. That just didn't seem like a good thing. 1176 01:14:04,350 --> 01:14:04,620 Well, 1177 01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:06,900 how about this James? I'm curious. Do you have any 1178 01:14:06,900 --> 01:14:14,130 visibility you're being the the surprise inside the Trojan horse 1179 01:14:14,130 --> 01:14:17,670 of the podcast industrial complex that you are? Do you 1180 01:14:17,670 --> 01:14:22,890 have any visibility on subscription revenue for? I 1181 01:14:22,890 --> 01:14:26,430 guess, Apple is the main one. Is the Spotify still doing any? I 1182 01:14:26,430 --> 01:14:28,410 mean, is there any real money in there? 1183 01:14:28,740 --> 01:14:31,140 Spotify? Garbage? 1184 01:14:31,650 --> 01:14:35,010 Yeah, I mean, I have asked Spotify it's been a year now 1185 01:14:35,010 --> 01:14:38,040 since you launched your your subscription platform, you're 1186 01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:43,500 gonna start charging people 5% next year. And so given given 1187 01:14:43,500 --> 01:14:47,040 that, you know, I'd love to tell some good news stories about how 1188 01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,920 your podcasts subscription has been doing, please, you know, 1189 01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:53,640 let me know. We'd love to write something about this. And as 1190 01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:56,310 usual, wherever you send anything to the Spotify 1191 01:14:58,350 --> 01:15:00,690 people here's Okay, here's a good one. Questions. Here's a 1192 01:15:00,690 --> 01:15:05,790 question James. Two bitcoins through fountain, how how many 1193 01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:13,440 out pot how many compare value for value be Bitcoin Vista grams 1194 01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:20,370 to Spotify subscription revenue for podcasting, how much more I 1195 01:15:20,370 --> 01:15:24,630 think value for value may have made more money. The Spotify 1196 01:15:25,770 --> 01:15:28,860 may well have made more money from Spotify. But having said 1197 01:15:28,860 --> 01:15:32,340 that the only money that we're the only data that we've really 1198 01:15:32,340 --> 01:15:36,690 got is weirdly from Sweden. And I appreciate that Sweden is 1199 01:15:36,690 --> 01:15:41,760 different to the US, but it's okay with me. Stay with me. No, 1200 01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:48,720 these are. So this is numbers from the Institute for bad 1201 01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:52,680 advertising. I think. I don't speak Swedish. And I forgotten 1202 01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:57,150 what the what the figure is an ad research, I think. But 1203 01:15:57,150 --> 01:16:02,430 anyway, they they did some research earlier this month. And 1204 01:16:02,430 --> 01:16:09,210 they said that Swedish people this year, have spent $14.5 1205 01:16:09,210 --> 01:16:14,700 million dollars on podcasts, subscriptions 14.5. And the 1206 01:16:14,700 --> 01:16:20,370 podcast ad market in Sweden is worth 34.5 Millions. So if you 1207 01:16:20,370 --> 01:16:25,860 were to if you were to turn that into us numbers and BELCAMP. 1208 01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,840 I don't like you doing this but okay. pressure on me, I don't 1209 01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:31,140 like it. 1210 01:16:31,140 --> 01:16:34,140 I appreciate that. But but but I'm just I'm just trying to sort 1211 01:16:34,140 --> 01:16:38,370 of contextualize it, that that suggests that ad revenue is 1212 01:16:38,370 --> 01:16:43,140 about $750 million. And that subscription revenue is about 1213 01:16:43,140 --> 01:16:47,790 $300 million. Now, even if those figures are wildly inaccurate, 1214 01:16:47,790 --> 01:16:52,230 you can see that there is quite a lot of subscription revenue 1215 01:16:52,230 --> 01:16:55,830 there, which I think is which I think is interesting. Now that 1216 01:16:55,830 --> 01:16:59,250 may be being driven a little bit by polymer, which is very 1217 01:16:59,250 --> 01:17:03,150 successful in some of the Nordic countries, it may be driven by 1218 01:17:03,420 --> 01:17:08,340 other paid for podcast platforms that don't exist in North 1219 01:17:08,340 --> 01:17:13,800 America. But however it works to see you know, ad revenues, about 1220 01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:18,300 750 million and subscription revenue about 300 million. 1221 01:17:18,540 --> 01:17:22,530 There's clearly some money happening there. And, you know, 1222 01:17:22,530 --> 01:17:28,350 I have always said that the way that podcasting is going to earn 1223 01:17:28,350 --> 01:17:31,380 money is going to be a mix of all kinds of things. And it's 1224 01:17:31,380 --> 01:17:33,450 not just going to be ad revenue, it's going to be value for 1225 01:17:33,450 --> 01:17:35,340 value, it's going to be a subscription service, if you 1226 01:17:35,340 --> 01:17:37,890 want to run those. It's going to be a mix of all of those. It's 1227 01:17:37,890 --> 01:17:41,040 going to be donations, it's going to be, you know, doing 1228 01:17:41,070 --> 01:17:44,010 doing shows in theaters, it's quite a lot of people are doing 1229 01:17:44,010 --> 01:17:47,370 all of that kind of is that a good is 1230 01:17:47,370 --> 01:17:49,860 doing a show in a theater. Is that still a podcast? 1231 01:17:51,990 --> 01:17:53,310 It depends if you record it or not. 1232 01:17:55,710 --> 01:17:58,440 Well answered, and if you attach it as an enclosure, correct, 1233 01:17:58,950 --> 01:18:00,930 yeah. Well, 1234 01:18:02,820 --> 01:18:06,030 Richard herring does a great podcast that he records in front 1235 01:18:06,030 --> 01:18:09,390 of a studio audience every week, which is a fantastic thing. So 1236 01:18:09,390 --> 01:18:09,690 yeah. 1237 01:18:10,530 --> 01:18:12,990 Do you think that they're just capturing that this Swedish 1238 01:18:12,990 --> 01:18:17,460 thing is odd? Because do you think they're just capturing a 1239 01:18:17,460 --> 01:18:20,880 majority of the Swedish language podcasting market or audio 1240 01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:25,020 market? I mean, this this seems oddly high. 1241 01:18:26,700 --> 01:18:31,050 Does but I think on the other end, you know, I mean, I mean, 1242 01:18:31,050 --> 01:18:34,020 just just having a look through Panyu stories I've covered 1243 01:18:34,020 --> 01:18:39,150 around Sweden, there's a company called storytel, which has just 1244 01:18:39,150 --> 01:18:41,790 raised a lot of money, and they are an audio book and ebook 1245 01:18:41,790 --> 01:18:45,270 subscription service, and maybe they're in that list as well. 30 1246 01:18:45,270 --> 01:18:50,610 a studio, which is a company claims to 20,000 subscribers, 1247 01:18:50,940 --> 01:18:58,200 and they charge $5 A month 50 Swedish crowns. They just don't 1248 01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:01,410 some money. So there's, there's clearly something going on in 1249 01:19:01,410 --> 01:19:04,890 Sweden, and I don't think you can necessarily instantly 1250 01:19:04,890 --> 01:19:08,430 compare what's going on with what's going 1251 01:19:08,430 --> 01:19:11,640 on modern us. But Martin lindskog says, Pardon me is a 1252 01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:14,190 Swedish podcast subscription app that has several subscribers, 1253 01:19:14,190 --> 01:19:16,740 they started out with True Crime pocket, but the sweetest just 1254 01:19:16,740 --> 01:19:19,620 loves. They just love given money to podcasts. I mean, 1255 01:19:19,620 --> 01:19:22,320 there's just like the national national pride or something. I 1256 01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:23,070 don't know what they 1257 01:19:23,070 --> 01:19:25,230 that's the thing. We should all move to Sweden. 1258 01:19:28,290 --> 01:19:35,880 Really Stockholm anyway, a car blows up. It's very small 1259 01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:40,590 country. They you know, they have so a community that grows 1260 01:19:40,590 --> 01:19:40,740 in 1261 01:19:40,740 --> 01:19:42,750 Lithuania. I'll tell you. That's right. 1262 01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:48,960 But, but for for I mean, Sweden has always embraced podcasting 1263 01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:51,840 from early on. I've always had Swedish listeners Always, 1264 01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:56,100 always. We have Martin lindskog. We have so many different and 1265 01:19:56,100 --> 01:19:58,920 they're and they're into podcasting themselves. It's the 1266 01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:01,740 community aspect. somehow because you know, exactly, 1267 01:20:01,740 --> 01:20:04,170 it's so dark and we shouldn't forget as well, of course that 1268 01:20:04,350 --> 01:20:07,410 people in in those countries speak English just just as well 1269 01:20:07,410 --> 01:20:08,460 as they do Swedish. Yeah. 1270 01:20:09,030 --> 01:20:10,680 I speak Swedish. So there you go. 1271 01:20:11,490 --> 01:20:17,040 Excellent lacquer from, from that, from that point of view, 1272 01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,590 you know, the Nordic countries are always interesting to peer 1273 01:20:19,590 --> 01:20:23,190 into just because they are a little bit different. But I 1274 01:20:23,190 --> 01:20:26,580 think, you know, I've I've moderated a couple of sessions 1275 01:20:26,580 --> 01:20:30,360 on subscription services. I've had people like, you know, 1276 01:20:32,070 --> 01:20:39,210 Donald, that tenderfoot TV, Donald Albright speaking and the 1277 01:20:39,210 --> 01:20:41,490 guys from Sony speaking and everything else, and they're, 1278 01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:43,710 and they're all saying that they are earning money from 1279 01:20:43,710 --> 01:20:49,680 subscriptions. They're possibly not covering all of their costs 1280 01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:52,770 yet, because it's still early days, but they are earning 1281 01:20:52,770 --> 01:20:56,430 money. And they can also see a real benefit, which is the 1282 01:20:56,430 --> 01:21:00,840 benefit from the Apple podcasts benefit of, if you start selling 1283 01:21:00,870 --> 01:21:04,200 subscriptions within Apple podcasts, then all of a sudden 1284 01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:07,200 Apple podcasts seem very keen to promote you. And they will 1285 01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:12,120 promote you all over the app. And from from, you know, talking 1286 01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:14,850 to Donald Albright about this, he was pretty candid and saying, 1287 01:21:14,850 --> 01:21:18,510 Look, we see this as being something that yes, we're 1288 01:21:18,510 --> 01:21:22,950 earning some revenue from, but it's also a marketing cost to us 1289 01:21:23,220 --> 01:21:28,530 that actually, we get incredible marketing from Apple podcasts, 1290 01:21:28,650 --> 01:21:31,860 because we are selling stuff. And of course, you know, Tim 1291 01:21:31,860 --> 01:21:35,730 Apple keeps 30% of everything. So therefore, Tim Apple will be 1292 01:21:35,730 --> 01:21:39,300 very, very happy about all of that. Hence why Apple really 1293 01:21:39,300 --> 01:21:42,300 ought to be launching a an Android app and I'm still 1294 01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:46,020 surprised that they haven't. You'll notice in your in your 1295 01:21:46,020 --> 01:21:52,110 inbox. You should see one of those one of those views earlier 1296 01:21:52,110 --> 01:21:53,940 on with me sending my money for 1297 01:21:53,940 --> 01:21:59,490 Yes, yes, yes. 100,000 SATs from James Cridland. They will do it 1298 01:21:59,490 --> 01:22:06,390 Adam. They're not stupid. That's right. You are a baller 1299 01:22:07,530 --> 01:22:10,800 baller a man who talks and sends a boost at the same time. That's 1300 01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:11,100 a 1301 01:22:11,940 --> 01:22:13,500 multi tasking very nice. 1302 01:22:16,050 --> 01:22:19,830 So yeah, so maybe that's the thing. But I find I find all of 1303 01:22:19,830 --> 01:22:22,890 this fascinating, all of the different ways that people are 1304 01:22:22,890 --> 01:22:26,730 making revenue through advertising. And, and also, by 1305 01:22:26,730 --> 01:22:31,050 the way, just seeing the amount of podcast hosting companies who 1306 01:22:31,050 --> 01:22:35,250 have tried to launch free podcast hosting companies, just 1307 01:22:35,250 --> 01:22:38,940 purely powered by advertising and podcast. One was one of 1308 01:22:38,940 --> 01:22:41,040 those who launched something I think it was called a launch 1309 01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:45,990 pad, wasn't it? I don't. They killed and yeah, and they ended 1310 01:22:45,990 --> 01:22:50,070 up killing it because they get the masterwork Lipson killed 1311 01:22:50,070 --> 01:22:51,660 there's you make 1312 01:22:52,290 --> 01:22:55,320 such a good point, though earlier. Like, this is so cute. 1313 01:22:56,280 --> 01:23:00,870 Well, let me get it out first. matter what it is, James has 1314 01:23:00,870 --> 01:23:05,610 taken, like, Yeah, you made a good point that clipping that 1315 01:23:06,510 --> 01:23:10,920 James Cridland said something brilliant. And and I agree, 1316 01:23:10,950 --> 01:23:14,460 hosting companies, this is a great idea, the idea that you 1317 01:23:14,460 --> 01:23:18,570 have something that gives your new customer, you know, trial 1318 01:23:18,570 --> 01:23:22,290 period, whatever, some joy, even you know what, even if you give 1319 01:23:22,290 --> 01:23:26,100 them a value for value set up. And whenever you have a new 1320 01:23:26,100 --> 01:23:31,260 podcast launch, you know what, just fire up? Have your team 1321 01:23:31,290 --> 01:23:35,010 fire up? An app was in a couple of minutes of it, you know, send 1322 01:23:35,010 --> 01:23:37,920 a couple of streaming sites, boom, you've got a customer for 1323 01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:38,490 life. 1324 01:23:39,330 --> 01:23:42,330 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I think I think 1325 01:23:42,330 --> 01:23:46,020 podcast hosts and I used to be an advisor for a podcast host 1326 01:23:46,020 --> 01:23:47,670 and therefore, you know, 1327 01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:51,390 millions of loyalty have right 1328 01:23:52,770 --> 01:23:56,880 into I've looked into that and a podcast hosting companies, I 1329 01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:59,520 always find fascinating because there are so many more things 1330 01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,880 that they could be doing to basically give their podcast as 1331 01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:05,820 a pat on the back and say you're doing a great job keep it up. 1332 01:24:06,450 --> 01:24:12,030 And the more that they do that, so when I did the I took Apple's 1333 01:24:12,030 --> 01:24:17,190 data for the top podcasts of 2022 according to their slightly 1334 01:24:17,190 --> 01:24:25,500 opaque you know, algorithm. And I went through and produced all 1335 01:24:25,500 --> 01:24:28,290 of those for every single country, which is available on 1336 01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:32,520 the pod news website. And in there you can see where each one 1337 01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:37,500 of these shows are hosted by and, and I pointed out to a few 1338 01:24:37,500 --> 01:24:40,110 of my friends in the in the podcast hosting industry. I 1339 01:24:40,110 --> 01:24:43,710 said, Oh, by the way, have a look at you know where we're 1340 01:24:43,740 --> 01:24:47,190 wherever it was Sweden, there are eight podcast, eight 1341 01:24:47,190 --> 01:24:50,910 podcasts in the top 10 hosted with your podcast company. You 1342 01:24:50,910 --> 01:24:54,780 might want to make a story about or you know, pat, pat him on the 1343 01:24:54,780 --> 01:24:57,870 back or whatever it is. I think that there's an awful lot of 1344 01:24:58,140 --> 01:25:01,290 opportunity for podcasts come Nice to basically go you're 1345 01:25:01,290 --> 01:25:05,850 doing a fantastic job. How can we be helping you more? tired? 1346 01:25:05,850 --> 01:25:07,410 Really tired? Tired of 1347 01:25:08,790 --> 01:25:12,330 all of that? Yeah. Yeah. But he said, he said on his show that 1348 01:25:12,330 --> 01:25:16,140 he did not want a list out there of of his top shows because he 1349 01:25:16,140 --> 01:25:19,530 would, he was afraid that that would encourage other Yeah, they 1350 01:25:19,530 --> 01:25:24,750 get poached. And like, and that's, that's bothered, that's 1351 01:25:24,750 --> 01:25:28,950 bothersome too, because I don't know how, like, it's sort of 1352 01:25:28,950 --> 01:25:33,270 like the the reason that colleges universities give 1353 01:25:33,300 --> 01:25:37,110 giveaway scholarships, it's like, well, you know, you give a 1354 01:25:37,110 --> 01:25:41,520 scholarship is marketing for your university. It's, it's, 1355 01:25:41,550 --> 01:25:45,150 it's a cost that you say, Okay, well, we're going to prove we're 1356 01:25:45,150 --> 01:25:48,900 going to show look at a look at all his talent with roofing and 1357 01:25:48,900 --> 01:25:51,060 we're giving away all this money, but we're only we're 1358 01:25:51,060 --> 01:25:55,620 bringing in top the top minds, and you begin to get a 1359 01:25:55,620 --> 01:25:59,100 reputation as a, as that's the place to be that you know, 1360 01:25:59,100 --> 01:26:02,280 because they they give out they give away scholarships to the 1361 01:26:02,340 --> 01:26:05,280 best and the brightest. Like, I would think that the hosting 1362 01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:09,180 companies would want to have that. That cachet. You know, 1363 01:26:09,180 --> 01:26:13,620 it's a look at these. Yeah, look at these, you know, we have so 1364 01:26:13,620 --> 01:26:16,500 much confidence we're willing to show you, you know, these are 1365 01:26:16,500 --> 01:26:20,520 our our big names, you know, you can you should come host with us 1366 01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:23,430 because look at it, look at all these other great podcasts that 1367 01:26:23,430 --> 01:26:26,100 are in the top, you know, top tiers that are hosting with us 1368 01:26:26,100 --> 01:26:29,280 as well. I don't I guess I just don't understand the fear there. 1369 01:26:30,930 --> 01:26:34,080 Yeah, and I guess also that actually some podcasters don't 1370 01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:37,380 want you to know what their numbers are. You know, there's a 1371 01:26:37,380 --> 01:26:41,160 reason why podcasts the pocket, the pod news weekly review isn't 1372 01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:44,490 in op three. But the pod News Daily is, I don't care how many 1373 01:26:44,490 --> 01:26:48,510 people see my figures. For the pod News Daily. I want people to 1374 01:26:48,510 --> 01:26:50,940 see all of those figures, pod news weekly review is a 1375 01:26:50,940 --> 01:26:53,460 fascinating show. And it's a show that I've really enjoyed 1376 01:26:53,460 --> 01:26:57,690 doing. But those but the download numbers are not as high 1377 01:26:57,690 --> 01:27:01,980 as you might expect them to be. The fact that the some really 1378 01:27:01,980 --> 01:27:05,760 fascinating people listen to that show every single week is 1379 01:27:05,790 --> 01:27:10,320 very different from the fact that the actual raw numbers are 1380 01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:14,640 not as high as you might you might expect. necessarily want 1381 01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:15,570 people seeing those. 1382 01:27:15,810 --> 01:27:20,700 But I would say that that's you hit the nail on the head right 1383 01:27:20,700 --> 01:27:25,050 there, like the people listen to this show. are highly 1384 01:27:25,230 --> 01:27:29,490 intelligent, obviously. self starters motivated. Okay, we 1385 01:27:29,490 --> 01:27:33,360 have eight and a half 1000. I'm blown away by that. I wish i i 1386 01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:37,920 wish i could find 1000 smart, highly motivated people. So the 1387 01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:41,460 people will listen to pod news or pod news weekly review. 1388 01:27:42,030 --> 01:27:44,280 ontology, is that going to be very valuable people for some 1389 01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:47,790 advertisers? Oh, yeah. So numbers by themselves are just 1390 01:27:47,790 --> 01:27:49,950 horseshit. And by the way, I want to do a little exercise 1391 01:27:49,950 --> 01:27:53,970 here. Rob Greenlee recently left Libsyn because we were talking 1392 01:27:53,970 --> 01:27:56,640 about hosting companies, I have a feeling that a hosting company 1393 01:27:56,640 --> 01:28:00,330 will probably probably have to lose one in the downturn. And I 1394 01:28:00,330 --> 01:28:02,610 was just looking at Rob Greenlee. I think he may be the 1395 01:28:02,610 --> 01:28:05,400 ultimate canary in the coal mine if you look at his career on 1396 01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:05,820 LinkedIn. 1397 01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:12,120 So like this thought experiment, let's get to 2000 1398 01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:16,680 He was the marketing director at shopper box networks. James, do 1399 01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:18,120 you know I think they may be gone. 1400 01:28:18,540 --> 01:28:20,010 I've never heard of triple bombs. 1401 01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,220 Then he was director of marketing and business 1402 01:28:23,220 --> 01:28:27,690 development, personal design concepts. I don't think they did 1403 01:28:27,690 --> 01:28:31,680 very well. Then online media marketing consultant at my talk 1404 01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:39,390 radio. Are they still around? Nope. Senior Marketing Manager 1405 01:28:39,390 --> 01:28:44,310 at Molo do oh my goodness, they're definitely gone. Then 1406 01:28:44,310 --> 01:28:50,400 Zune. Of course, that was a very, that device worked. Then 1407 01:28:51,180 --> 01:28:57,240 he was at podcast one. I wish which is now spinning off into 1408 01:28:57,240 --> 01:29:01,320 oblivion. Head of Content at Spreaker or Spreaker, I guess is 1409 01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:02,730 still popular. 1410 01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:09,210 Podcast one is spinning off to be even more successful. I think 1411 01:29:09,210 --> 01:29:11,130 Spreaker is pretty good podcast. One 1412 01:29:11,130 --> 01:29:17,820 has $35 million in revenue. Come on. Come on. Come on. Stop. 1413 01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:23,340 Stop. Just I'm just trying to no no. Head of partnerships. Vox 1414 01:29:23,370 --> 01:29:27,480 Vox nest Vox VO X Vox nest. I don't remember what that was. 1415 01:29:27,510 --> 01:29:27,810 Yeah. 1416 01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:32,790 They are one of the podcast hosting companies that I 1417 01:29:33,059 --> 01:29:38,129 own. Okay, so they Okay, so that desperation, by the way. Then 1418 01:29:38,129 --> 01:29:41,999 he's VP of Costco. Lipson is next. It's obvious. Lipson is 1419 01:29:41,999 --> 01:29:45,329 the next one to go because now he's at pod bean. I haven't 1420 01:29:45,329 --> 01:29:48,509 gotten a call from him as a pod pod. Veen SVP of content 1421 01:29:48,539 --> 01:29:49,319 partnerships. 1422 01:29:50,099 --> 01:29:52,139 Yeah. Where's the wizard? 2.0 stuff, Rob. 1423 01:29:54,150 --> 01:29:56,490 He's only been there for a couple of weeks. But I think I 1424 01:29:56,490 --> 01:29:59,970 think on the other side, Lipson is a fascinating company who 1425 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,120 Have some very strong personalities there. Let's just 1426 01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:08,160 say that and I think they've they have, you know that they've 1427 01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:12,480 got their plans. And they've got, you know, some quite large, 1428 01:30:13,260 --> 01:30:16,950 you know, quite quite big people who are working at that, at that 1429 01:30:16,950 --> 01:30:20,850 company. I have always been baffled by that company, I have 1430 01:30:20,850 --> 01:30:21,630 to say, and we 1431 01:30:21,630 --> 01:30:23,250 have a call with a new guy over there. 1432 01:30:24,510 --> 01:30:25,500 Yeah, yeah. 1433 01:30:26,130 --> 01:30:28,800 He was real nice if I hadn't been fired yet. 1434 01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:34,350 I don't know. Now, we had a great call. 1435 01:30:34,380 --> 01:30:37,710 It was good months ago, months ago. Yeah, that's 1436 01:30:37,710 --> 01:30:41,070 it, they said that. They said that they're gonna, they're 1437 01:30:41,070 --> 01:30:42,300 gonna do some stuff in January. 1438 01:30:42,540 --> 01:30:47,370 I'm so tired. Honestly, I love everybody. I really do. Just, 1439 01:30:47,430 --> 01:30:49,560 this is kind of good to tell behind the scenes, Dave and I, 1440 01:30:49,590 --> 01:30:52,110 we do everything we can for podcasting to point out. And 1441 01:30:52,110 --> 01:30:56,550 again, we this is this is our endless meetings. And this is, 1442 01:30:56,550 --> 01:31:00,060 this is our love for the medium that we don't get paid for this. 1443 01:31:00,450 --> 01:31:02,790 There's really, you know, the deal, we're pretty transparent. 1444 01:31:02,790 --> 01:31:06,570 We're very transparent about it. So we had a call with tune in 1445 01:31:06,990 --> 01:31:10,230 tune, if I can call and do all the stuff, you know, I was like, 1446 01:31:10,230 --> 01:31:13,230 Okay, well, we really can't do anything unless you have 1447 01:31:13,380 --> 01:31:16,140 insurance, we get insurance, we get, you know, whatever, 1448 01:31:16,140 --> 01:31:18,750 bullshit insurance, it is not that expensive. But we didn't 1449 01:31:18,750 --> 01:31:22,800 have any business insurance in case whatever, you will do all 1450 01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:25,470 we do all these things, we bend over backwards, and these people 1451 01:31:25,470 --> 01:31:29,100 come in and they fucking disappear. Yeah, you never hear 1452 01:31:29,100 --> 01:31:33,030 from I mean, we have had so many different things. And we're 1453 01:31:33,030 --> 01:31:36,690 literally giving stuff away for free. I've got my partner, Dave 1454 01:31:36,690 --> 01:31:40,200 Jones, giving away his time for free helping all these people 1455 01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:43,620 out. And these companies, they just can't do it. They can't get 1456 01:31:43,620 --> 01:31:47,280 their shit together. I mean, we had a mobile. Are those guys 1457 01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:50,670 still around? The? Yes, they Yes, they are so that I won't 1458 01:31:50,670 --> 01:31:57,750 slam them because I still have hope for them. What else did he 1459 01:31:57,750 --> 01:31:59,100 gonna say Be quiet. 1460 01:31:59,130 --> 01:32:02,610 But he takes it, it takes time to get stuff done in larger 1461 01:32:02,610 --> 01:32:08,970 companies like yours, yours? Yours? Oh, yeah. I mean, when I 1462 01:32:08,970 --> 01:32:12,900 joined the BBC in 2007, they were talking about some 1463 01:32:12,900 --> 01:32:16,650 personalized radio project that they were working on. And they 1464 01:32:16,650 --> 01:32:19,200 still haven't launched it, but they still keep on announcing it 1465 01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:22,530 every every year or so it's Oh, yes, you know, it's coming, it's 1466 01:32:22,530 --> 01:32:24,720 gonna be really, really good. And they still haven't launched 1467 01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:28,440 it. And I think, you know, as soon as you work with large 1468 01:32:28,470 --> 01:32:31,830 companies, it's very, very slow. But I think also on the other 1469 01:32:31,830 --> 01:32:35,520 side, people talk to that they'll talk to you, they'll 1470 01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:39,780 talk to me, because they've been told to talk to us by someone 1471 01:32:39,780 --> 01:32:44,760 else. And they end up and they end up talking to you or talking 1472 01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:47,190 to me, and they go great work. Right, we've done that we can 1473 01:32:47,190 --> 01:32:50,460 take that off. And now what I won't be hassled by, by this 1474 01:32:50,460 --> 01:32:54,270 guy, you know, haven't you? Have you spoken to Adam yet? And I 1475 01:32:54,270 --> 01:32:59,850 think a lot of it is, is that as well. But I think you know, it's 1476 01:32:59,850 --> 01:33:03,930 worthwhile doing because nine out of 10 of those meetings are 1477 01:33:03,930 --> 01:33:07,350 going to be frankly, a waste of time. But one out of 10 of those 1478 01:33:07,350 --> 01:33:09,990 meetings are going to be those meetings that move things 1479 01:33:09,990 --> 01:33:13,170 forward tremendously fast. Now, it was worthwhile doing that. 1480 01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:17,760 Well, the thing is, I don't see any benefit really. These 1481 01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:19,920 people, they have nothing but demands, everything's 1482 01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:23,010 complicated. Everything has to go through legal. I mean, 1483 01:33:23,010 --> 01:33:26,580 really, there's really, it really is a huge pain in the 1484 01:33:26,580 --> 01:33:30,210 ass, and nothing comes out of it. It's more of a pain in the 1485 01:33:30,210 --> 01:33:33,390 ass for Dave because, you know, he winds up then, you know, they 1486 01:33:33,450 --> 01:33:35,640 they said okay, well, we're gonna have to have the IT guy 1487 01:33:35,670 --> 01:33:41,970 talked to Dave, and then it just devolved into more bow crap. So 1488 01:33:41,970 --> 01:33:43,710 but it reminds me Go ahead. 1489 01:33:44,250 --> 01:33:48,090 This is the funny one. So we had a meeting with some guy, and 1490 01:33:48,090 --> 01:33:51,570 then he comes back and he's like, Okay, we're gonna need you 1491 01:33:51,570 --> 01:33:54,690 to, this is the kind of stuff that happens. He's like, we're 1492 01:33:54,690 --> 01:34:00,030 gonna need you to we're going to need a special terms of service 1493 01:34:00,660 --> 01:34:02,730 that we're going to we're going to modify, we're going to read 1494 01:34:02,730 --> 01:34:05,730 law, read and mark it up, or whatever they call it. We're 1495 01:34:05,730 --> 01:34:08,520 going to mark up your terms, your terms of service, send it 1496 01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:13,110 back to you, and have you sign. And then like, we were, like, we 1497 01:34:13,110 --> 01:34:16,230 were gonna get a special terms of service for this one company, 1498 01:34:16,230 --> 01:34:20,550 this one big company to use our API to get podcast data. 1499 01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:22,740 Anything that goes wrong, we're fucked. 1500 01:34:22,980 --> 01:34:25,920 That's exactly it was like 15 different ways that we're gonna 1501 01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:28,230 get sued into oblivion. And I was like, No, I'm not doing 1502 01:34:28,410 --> 01:34:31,800 this. Then we went back and forth. And finally, finally, 1503 01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:35,640 after like four meetings, it's like four hours of time of time, 1504 01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:39,030 away from my day job of trying to help this guy. And I was 1505 01:34:39,030 --> 01:34:42,240 like, finally I said, I was like, you know, you don't need 1506 01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:46,170 all this because our full database is downloadable on our 1507 01:34:46,170 --> 01:34:51,180 homepage. Tableau has downloaded as it is for free. If you go 1508 01:34:51,180 --> 01:34:56,520 download it right now, I won't even know. And he was like, he 1509 01:34:56,520 --> 01:34:59,970 never thought about it. It's like it never crossed his mind. 1510 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:03,690 This reminds me, I'm old, but this for my, if anyone feels 1511 01:35:03,690 --> 01:35:07,350 like it, look up the Danny Kaye movie, a song is born. It's from 1512 01:35:07,350 --> 01:35:12,930 1948. And Danny Kaye is a professor at a musical research 1513 01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:16,770 institution. It's a whole room full of bachelor professors. 1514 01:35:17,130 --> 01:35:20,790 And, and then just in their writing the Encyclopedia of 1515 01:35:20,790 --> 01:35:25,770 music. And so this gangster guy has a girlfriend and she's the 1516 01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:29,370 nightclub singer, whatever. So So she comes in to Danny case 1517 01:35:29,370 --> 01:35:32,130 life, and all of a sudden, he's kind of forced back into the 1518 01:35:32,130 --> 01:35:35,880 world. And he's a nightlife. And they've been writing this whole 1519 01:35:35,910 --> 01:35:39,750 this whole Encyclopedia of music. And it turns out jazz has 1520 01:35:39,750 --> 01:35:42,750 been happening for five years, and they have to throw out the 1521 01:35:42,750 --> 01:35:47,310 whole thing. And that's what this reminds me of. These people 1522 01:35:47,310 --> 01:35:50,820 are doing, you know, Beethoven and jazz has happened and baby 1523 01:35:50,820 --> 01:35:53,430 we're deaf. papapa papapa. We're doing shit. We're running with 1524 01:35:53,430 --> 01:35:57,810 scissors, and they're still in the Encyclopedia of of Mozart. 1525 01:35:58,350 --> 01:36:01,470 That's, that's what it feels like. And you know what, Dave? 1526 01:36:02,100 --> 01:36:06,000 If we had a meeting, and like I'd say no more, just no more. 1527 01:36:06,480 --> 01:36:10,320 Tone raker said he has time to require a boost a boost for 1528 01:36:10,350 --> 01:36:12,840 Satoshis for a meeting for deposit. 1529 01:36:13,260 --> 01:36:16,560 Yeah, imagine imagine getting the purchase orders. The 1530 01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:18,480 Purchase Order Form done for that? I mean? 1531 01:36:21,660 --> 01:36:23,820 Speaking of let me thank a couple of people who have been 1532 01:36:23,820 --> 01:36:28,290 boosting us live very diligently. Cuz we are. What are 1533 01:36:28,290 --> 01:36:32,040 we? Oh, my goodness. We're moving up in time here. A lot of 1534 01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:36,390 people helping us out for the end of year we have. Let me see 1535 01:36:36,390 --> 01:36:39,330 marginally in this call because you already read that. Padme is 1536 01:36:39,330 --> 01:36:43,680 a Swedish. He sent us row a Duxton 2222 podcast subscription 1537 01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:46,230 app that has several subscribers started out with True Crime 1538 01:36:46,230 --> 01:36:52,380 podcast. A small satchel of Richards from tone wrecker. This 1539 01:36:52,380 --> 01:36:56,850 is my new satchel of Richards Yeah. 1111 That's a in America 1540 01:36:56,850 --> 01:37:03,210 we say bag of dicks. This is nine. Yes. These are the 1541 01:37:03,210 --> 01:37:07,080 entrails blueberry needs to see. Okay, then there's your 100,000 1542 01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:10,350 SAS James Thank you very much another 9099 from tone raccoon 1543 01:37:10,350 --> 01:37:13,590 says appreciate the later live session today. A chance to sit 1544 01:37:13,590 --> 01:37:16,140 in the chat Finally, while logged out of work. See this is 1545 01:37:16,170 --> 01:37:21,540 this is people love that. There's the net net with 10,000 1546 01:37:21,540 --> 01:37:27,150 No DJ, not VJ, PB and J pod boosted jockey. We'll work on 1547 01:37:27,150 --> 01:37:34,050 it. net net. Let's see we have brewery 33,333 Next week makes a 1548 01:37:34,050 --> 01:37:38,190 promo next week makes 100 Live episodes of BTS in the can going 1549 01:37:38,190 --> 01:37:41,970 live with IRC voicemail line is such a killer combo 10 out of 10 1550 01:37:41,970 --> 01:37:46,170 would recommend if he don't mind himself. Yes, congratulations on 1551 01:37:46,170 --> 01:37:51,120 100 There's Mike Dell with 5555 last boost of 2022 Thank you 1552 01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:54,600 very much Mike. Thank you Mike. big help. Another Martin Linda's 1553 01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:57,810 called ro ducks, hard to do the multitasking, listened to co 1554 01:37:57,810 --> 01:38:01,230 host guests check the SAT kept check the Saturn boosted grants, 1555 01:38:01,230 --> 01:38:04,890 IRC chat messages, etc. Yeah, that's what DJs used to do, man 1556 01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:08,760 until I'll tell us automated systems came along we had to 1557 01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:10,320 queue up records 1558 01:38:12,750 --> 01:38:19,530 to the fax machine because that couldn't be in the studio, could 1559 01:38:19,530 --> 01:38:23,580 it? Yeah, and we had parts we had cards. All right, we had 1560 01:38:23,580 --> 01:38:26,100 to get the next get the next outbreak or if you were doing 1561 01:38:26,100 --> 01:38:29,370 split ads, you'd have to get the next two sets of outbreak right? 1562 01:38:29,610 --> 01:38:33,810 They all added up to the end you tell the young people of today 1563 01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:34,710 and they weren't understand 1564 01:38:35,010 --> 01:38:38,130 then there's the hotline oh shit the program directors hotline 1565 01:38:38,130 --> 01:38:44,880 and we I said something wrong. We have PC 202 The moon 2023 and 1566 01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:49,650 bond beyond says nv 4x 3333 Always boosting us coming in 1567 01:38:49,650 --> 01:38:54,840 from curio caster. Let me see we had we already did the blueberry 1568 01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:57,960 bong rip. And I think that's it for our pre booths. We 1569 01:38:57,960 --> 01:39:00,540 appreciate that very much. Thanks some other people Dave 1570 01:39:00,540 --> 01:39:01,380 while we're at this, 1571 01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:04,230 yeah, we got to pay pal. We got to pay pals actually. 1572 01:39:05,340 --> 01:39:08,670 To pay pals. We have transitioned baby. We are. We 1573 01:39:08,670 --> 01:39:09,330 are out. 1574 01:39:10,590 --> 01:39:18,150 We got 200 from the boys over at fountain Husker. Give us $200 1575 01:39:18,150 --> 01:39:19,560 Thank you, Oscar. Appreciate that. 1576 01:39:19,890 --> 01:39:20,490 I think that's 1577 01:39:22,890 --> 01:39:26,670 20 blades on the Impala very much. 1578 01:39:26,850 --> 01:39:29,160 Did you approve that expense in the advisor meeting? 1579 01:39:31,740 --> 01:39:34,920 Now that's not fair. Dave. I already told him I wouldn't. But 1580 01:39:34,980 --> 01:39:38,430 I have literally only spoken to them once as an advisor. 1581 01:39:39,570 --> 01:39:41,790 But they're not getting their money's worth. I need to work on 1582 01:39:41,790 --> 01:39:42,120 that. 1583 01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:46,470 And they're not paying me JJ, just to be really clear. They're 1584 01:39:46,470 --> 01:39:47,460 not paying me. So 1585 01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:51,780 we we need to talk James. I mean, we need to work on your 1586 01:39:51,780 --> 01:39:56,640 career. Maybe your agent. I think this I think this you can 1587 01:39:56,640 --> 01:39:59,730 take this you can write this up and say look, here's my summary. 1588 01:39:59,730 --> 01:40:03,060 I did Some, some work and we've given you lots of great ideas. 1589 01:40:04,140 --> 01:40:06,510 Marketing. Totally does. 1590 01:40:06,990 --> 01:40:10,200 Mark. James, are you secretly responsible for the marketing 1591 01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:11,760 ideas because they're pretty good. 1592 01:40:12,990 --> 01:40:15,840 They are really good to know what they're doing. They do know 1593 01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:19,410 what they're doing. So yeah, I'm impressed. Very impressed. Good 1594 01:40:19,410 --> 01:40:20,700 company. It's great to be involved. 1595 01:40:21,060 --> 01:40:23,310 Love, love those guys time to get Oscar back on the show 1596 01:40:23,310 --> 01:40:24,720 hadn't had him in forever. I told 1597 01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:26,610 him when he has something to release. And when you and then 1598 01:40:26,610 --> 01:40:27,870 we'll have him back on God Who 1599 01:40:28,440 --> 01:40:31,230 am waiting for live. I'm hoping you still do last soon. That's 1600 01:40:31,230 --> 01:40:35,250 what I'm counting on. Thomas, I'm stat, give us $50. And he 1601 01:40:35,250 --> 01:40:38,760 says thank you. For cross app comments. Why not use the RSS 1602 01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:42,720 tuple? No comments sub element, loading the URL and an inept 1603 01:40:42,720 --> 01:40:46,380 browser gives a separation to make app developers feel safe. 1604 01:40:46,590 --> 01:40:50,040 1000s of WordPress podcasters already used this sub element go 1605 01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:52,140 commenting Thomas Umstead for one 1606 01:40:52,139 --> 01:40:58,529 second. That is in the RSS spec, isn't it? Yeah, I think I think 1607 01:40:58,529 --> 01:41:02,309 there's a comment tag. Yes, there is a comment tag in the 1608 01:41:02,309 --> 01:41:08,939 RSS 2.0. Spec. Yeah. RSS 2.0 adds the capability following an 1609 01:41:08,969 --> 01:41:12,719 RSS feed may contain elements and attributes not described on 1610 01:41:12,719 --> 01:41:17,519 this page. It has come out as extending the comments RSS 1611 01:41:17,879 --> 01:41:21,089 places restrictions on the first non whitespace blah, blah, blah, 1612 01:41:21,089 --> 01:41:25,349 blah, blah. There is a Comments field in RSS 2.0. 1613 01:41:26,370 --> 01:41:31,500 I don't see it. I'm looking for the see. Comment. Oh, yeah, 1614 01:41:31,500 --> 01:41:34,350 they're just common element of item. Yeah, he's not sure. So a 1615 01:41:34,350 --> 01:41:37,230 bit on the if present, it is the URL of the comments page for the 1616 01:41:37,230 --> 01:41:39,600 item. More about comments here. 1617 01:41:39,630 --> 01:41:42,240 That's interesting. How did we miss that? 1618 01:41:44,490 --> 01:41:46,890 I don't know. Is it in? He said that it's 1619 01:41:46,980 --> 01:41:51,630 even ours? It's in RSS? 2.0. It's in the spec. 1620 01:41:52,200 --> 01:41:54,300 But is it? Is it used in the wild? 1621 01:41:55,110 --> 01:42:01,590 Of course not. No, no, anything that's useful. We've evangelized 1622 01:42:01,650 --> 01:42:04,770 we've we've beat the payment. We've worked on it. 1623 01:42:05,610 --> 01:42:10,140 Oh, this is like the source the source tag you know it's a great 1624 01:42:10,140 --> 01:42:13,560 idea wonderful idea, but it barely exists in the wild like 1625 01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:15,420 we use it for freedom with drilling. That's the first time 1626 01:42:15,420 --> 01:42:19,440 I've ever seen it. I don't know this. I mean, it's an 1627 01:42:19,440 --> 01:42:20,910 interesting concept. I want to 1628 01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:22,020 add something that 1629 01:42:23,310 --> 01:42:26,370 was do some research. I'm guessing he's talking about 1630 01:42:26,370 --> 01:42:29,790 opening in an iframe or something or a web view. I'm not 1631 01:42:29,790 --> 01:42:32,730 I'm not sure what I'll to engage with him on the podcast 1632 01:42:32,730 --> 01:42:36,210 industry. Interesting. That we got some Thanks, Thomas. 1633 01:42:36,210 --> 01:42:42,930 Appreciate that man. So this gramps Deelen gave us 6500 SAS 1634 01:42:42,930 --> 01:42:46,620 the fountain Nene says there's only there's only one real jack 1635 01:42:46,650 --> 01:42:50,280 on noster. And he didn't use the hang tin emoji noster is 1636 01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:53,550 developing quickly, including a way to verify offside. What he 1637 01:42:53,550 --> 01:42:57,930 did was give 14 BTC to one of the devs working on one app, 1638 01:42:58,140 --> 01:43:01,230 whose first act was to give half of that to the dev working on 1639 01:43:01,260 --> 01:43:04,890 another noster app, which sounds great to me, way too soon to 1640 01:43:04,890 --> 01:43:07,980 tell where it's going to go. But that's part of what makes it 1641 01:43:07,980 --> 01:43:09,120 feel fun. And 1642 01:43:10,140 --> 01:43:13,350 it was it was most definitely Jack Dorsey because I have I 1643 01:43:13,350 --> 01:43:16,590 have communications with Jack Dorsey. And from time to time I 1644 01:43:16,590 --> 01:43:19,770 say Hey, Jack Dorsey, podcasting. 2.0 And then he 1645 01:43:19,770 --> 01:43:21,000 doesn't talk to me for a while. 1646 01:43:22,890 --> 01:43:25,140 This is this a trend this happens a lot actually. 1647 01:43:25,170 --> 01:43:30,210 I know. Hey, I'm not I'm not bashful. It's like, awesome. 1648 01:43:30,210 --> 01:43:33,390 Jack Dorsey's like doing a hang 10 emoji on my nostro accounts. 1649 01:43:33,390 --> 01:43:35,160 I'm like, hey, now we know 1650 01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:38,430 the only time that's ever worked really well is when we met with 1651 01:43:38,430 --> 01:43:41,340 Pocket Cast people and it's like, like, hey, we want to we 1652 01:43:41,340 --> 01:43:43,050 want you to do this and this and this and this and they were 1653 01:43:43,050 --> 01:43:43,740 like, Yeah, okay. 1654 01:43:44,490 --> 01:43:48,720 Right. I did ping Matt but I haven't heard back from him so I 1655 01:43:48,720 --> 01:43:52,320 don't know what's going on. Oh, cool. Okay, well cool. He hasn't 1656 01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:53,580 answered me not cool. 1657 01:43:54,030 --> 01:43:57,390 Well, I mean, it's cool it's it's cool. Did something happen? 1658 01:43:59,670 --> 01:44:00,960 Positive we move on 1659 01:44:00,990 --> 01:44:03,540 I know I know. We move the needle we move the needle a 1660 01:44:03,540 --> 01:44:05,310 little bit. dealin 1661 01:44:05,490 --> 01:44:09,990 again, 22 zero dose tu tu tu tu tu fountain he says regarding my 1662 01:44:09,990 --> 01:44:13,050 last boost. Okay, that was Jack but my point still stands 1663 01:44:16,230 --> 01:44:20,520 I was right it was Jack Exactly. Like you know you don't talk to 1664 01:44:20,520 --> 01:44:26,430 jack man. Okay, be amazed. You'd be amazed who I talk to people. 1665 01:44:27,570 --> 01:44:32,250 Jean Everett 250,006 o 1666 01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:36,330 blades on M power. I 1667 01:44:36,330 --> 01:44:38,100 know how much money that is in dollars. 1668 01:44:38,130 --> 01:44:41,490 I just love the idea. I don't even know Yeah, Christmas boost 1669 01:44:41,490 --> 01:44:42,000 boost boost. 1670 01:44:42,240 --> 01:44:44,190 Thank you man. Boost boost. 1671 01:44:45,870 --> 01:44:47,220 Can you go is that right? 1672 01:44:47,250 --> 01:44:50,760 Can you go? Yeah, all right. Let's say that guy Yeah. 1673 01:44:54,030 --> 01:44:57,120 Ad Sales and sets. Mountain. No note. 1674 01:44:57,150 --> 01:45:01,170 Holy crap. Nice man. Thank you. Oh, yeah, no, 1675 01:45:01,170 --> 01:45:06,450 not even not even a note she stream 10,552 set. Thank you for 1676 01:45:06,450 --> 01:45:08,340 sending that Satoshi string because I was afraid you were 1677 01:45:08,340 --> 01:45:09,600 dead. We haven't heard from you. 1678 01:45:09,810 --> 01:45:13,200 How are those guys? How you doing? How you doing boosters? 1679 01:45:13,500 --> 01:45:15,360 How you doing boosters? Hey, 1680 01:45:16,770 --> 01:45:19,620 he says congrats on the whole coin node. Oh, thanks. 1681 01:45:19,830 --> 01:45:22,770 And how are you guys doing? Should we have those guys on 1682 01:45:22,770 --> 01:45:23,940 Have we ever had those guys on? 1683 01:45:24,450 --> 01:45:27,330 Yeah, I'm just afraid that he's gonna do some sort of voice 1684 01:45:27,750 --> 01:45:32,250 masquerade like you know? Absolutely can't tell who he is? 1685 01:45:33,420 --> 01:45:35,490 I don't know he seemed he seems like one of the NEM guys 1686 01:45:36,450 --> 01:45:39,210 from the Satoshi streams. Congratulations. 1687 01:45:41,580 --> 01:45:49,770 Yeah, and it's a girl. Oh Roy scheinfeld Ah 4321 Hello Roy 1688 01:45:50,550 --> 01:45:54,480 from breeze and he says Merry Christmas with cute emojis. 1689 01:45:54,480 --> 01:45:55,230 Thank you Roy and 1690 01:45:55,230 --> 01:45:57,810 Happy Hanukkah although it's over now but Happy Hanukkah. 1691 01:45:59,580 --> 01:46:04,500 Thank you brother 40,000 SAS from ninja mort, nice fountain. 1692 01:46:05,010 --> 01:46:07,680 And he says Happy Christmas. Happy Christmas to you. He must. 1693 01:46:08,040 --> 01:46:09,240 He must be in the UK 1694 01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:14,670 busua Do they say Happy Christmas in the UK? Is that 1695 01:46:14,670 --> 01:46:17,010 there's a thing? They don't say Merry Christmas, 1696 01:46:17,250 --> 01:46:17,790 James. 1697 01:46:18,420 --> 01:46:21,420 Well, you know Happy Christmas you know alcohol and stuff. You 1698 01:46:21,420 --> 01:46:23,550 want to steer clear uncle Mary. So 1699 01:46:24,540 --> 01:46:25,260 the UK says. 1700 01:46:26,370 --> 01:46:29,790 Yeah. I've read my Charles Dickens. I know there's a merry 1701 01:46:29,790 --> 01:46:30,720 Christmas. Oh, by 1702 01:46:30,720 --> 01:46:35,040 the way. If you read your Charles Dickens, you must see 1703 01:46:35,610 --> 01:46:41,760 spirited. It's a it's a redo of the Christmas story. With Will 1704 01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:48,120 Ferrell is dynamite. It's a musical. It's it's for the 1705 01:46:48,120 --> 01:46:51,900 noose, a new generation of the Scrooge story. It's fantastic. 1706 01:46:52,260 --> 01:46:56,940 Of course. I was will ferals warm up man podcast. You were 1707 01:46:56,940 --> 01:46:59,400 his fluffer if you remember that was his warm up, man. 1708 01:47:00,300 --> 01:47:05,010 Sorry, I missed that one. Did you meet? Did you meet? 1709 01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:08,490 No. Of course what was hilarious. What's hilarious is I 1710 01:47:08,490 --> 01:47:12,180 was I was the white man. I was standing on stage for about 15 1711 01:47:12,180 --> 01:47:16,170 minutes. Warming, warming everybody. Warming warming 1712 01:47:16,200 --> 01:47:18,030 warming everybody up and realizing that this was the 1713 01:47:18,030 --> 01:47:20,490 first time that I stood on the stage for two and a half years 1714 01:47:20,490 --> 01:47:23,280 so no worries. No wonder I was feeling so nervous given the 1715 01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:26,730 pandemic and everything. Yeah. And Will Ferrell sort of appears 1716 01:47:26,730 --> 01:47:31,080 after me and does his his his shtick and I didn't even see him 1717 01:47:31,080 --> 01:47:31,290 so 1718 01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:33,660 let's blame 1719 01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:36,510 that put it on your CV. That's good. 1720 01:47:37,320 --> 01:47:42,360 Oh yeah, we're board board member of the podcast index. 1721 01:47:44,460 --> 01:47:49,170 Nuts over esteemed board member board member 1722 01:47:50,820 --> 01:47:54,630 some quack sinister road ducks tu tu tu tu in through fountain 1723 01:47:54,630 --> 01:47:56,520 he says always enjoyable Happy holidays. 1724 01:47:57,600 --> 01:47:58,740 Happy holidays to you. 1725 01:47:59,670 --> 01:48:02,940 subservient 10,000 SATs through fountain but no note from 1726 01:48:02,940 --> 01:48:09,540 absurdity and in vache VA ke since a 2500 Sats are found but 1727 01:48:09,540 --> 01:48:15,570 no note row sticks from George Orwell no note. Oh, Oscar marry 1728 01:48:16,260 --> 01:48:17,730 250,000 says 1729 01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:23,730 Oh 20 Is blades on the Impala fam 1730 01:48:23,760 --> 01:48:29,280 it's eggnog for everybody thank you Oscar. Raise 1731 01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:31,950 your glasses Merry Christmas guys been working hard trying to 1732 01:48:31,950 --> 01:48:35,550 get found oh point six out before the end of the year. Oh 1733 01:48:35,580 --> 01:48:36,060 that's 1734 01:48:36,299 --> 01:48:41,339 trying to say something. Yes you can. Do not repeat Oscar do not 1735 01:48:41,339 --> 01:48:47,279 release anything on New Year's Eve. You never release before a 1736 01:48:47,279 --> 01:48:52,529 holiday Yeah, you'll be up you'll be working in the middle 1737 01:48:52,529 --> 01:48:55,139 of the night dealing with all kinds of shit keep it until 1738 01:48:55,139 --> 01:48:56,609 January 3 brother. 1739 01:48:57,240 --> 01:48:58,470 No change Fridays 1740 01:48:58,500 --> 01:49:00,750 No, we've been in the trenches on that. 1741 01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:04,020 Merry Christmas guys been working hard trying to get 1742 01:49:04,380 --> 01:49:07,440 fountain point six out before the end of the year. Once that's 1743 01:49:07,440 --> 01:49:09,780 live we'll definitely take a look at nostra and see if it's 1744 01:49:09,780 --> 01:49:11,730 possible to bridge what we've done with boosts. 1745 01:49:11,730 --> 01:49:16,680 Oh, good. No, no, no, no. Stop. Just calm. Calm down. Calm down. 1746 01:49:16,920 --> 01:49:18,960 No, I think he's talking about over to activity pub. 1747 01:49:19,770 --> 01:49:28,830 Still. Calm down. Oh, goodness. Yeah. A lot going on. 1748 01:49:28,950 --> 01:49:30,360 smart guys. smart guys. 1749 01:49:30,690 --> 01:49:33,180 I'm just I'm just giving my personal opinion. Calm down. 1750 01:49:33,210 --> 01:49:33,480 This is 1751 01:49:35,160 --> 01:49:39,480 it the nostre thing was like a bomb that went off inside. It's 1752 01:49:39,480 --> 01:49:43,860 like, everybody was just like, Okay, we get we're feeling good. 1753 01:49:43,890 --> 01:49:48,120 Get this thing and it was like nostril Oh, God. It was like one 1754 01:49:48,120 --> 01:49:49,020 more protocol. 1755 01:49:49,890 --> 01:49:50,970 Smoking a pancake. 1756 01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:56,730 Right. By the way, I will point out that Sam Sethi just boosted 1757 01:49:56,730 --> 01:50:02,430 100,000 SATs. No no wager. Now necessary, Happy New Year. And 1758 01:50:02,430 --> 01:50:06,990 then of course it's a promotion pod fans in 2023 Yo, 1759 01:50:07,800 --> 01:50:10,470 you know, he was afraid that James wouldn't pay so he was he 1760 01:50:10,470 --> 01:50:11,940 was given he was given backstop 1761 01:50:11,970 --> 01:50:13,590 Hey, is that pod fans live yet? 1762 01:50:15,120 --> 01:50:18,600 Nice It was January right I think it's January as a pod 1763 01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:19,620 fans.com 1764 01:50:20,850 --> 01:50:23,370 I don't know what it I don't know what he's where's that it's 1765 01:50:23,370 --> 01:50:24,900 in a top secret look bunker. 1766 01:50:24,990 --> 01:50:26,340 Okay, I'm excited. 1767 01:50:26,790 --> 01:50:30,240 The audio live 1768 01:50:30,540 --> 01:50:35,040 radio.com Alright. That'd be cool 1769 01:50:38,850 --> 01:50:43,560 is a surprise. Yeah, he says let's see if it's possible to 1770 01:50:43,560 --> 01:50:45,660 bridge bridge what we've done with boosting comments on 1771 01:50:45,660 --> 01:50:49,050 fountain to allow to work across app. Amazing gear and excited 1772 01:50:49,050 --> 01:50:50,730 for 2023 Go podcasting. 1773 01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:58,380 Hold on a second go podcast. So proud of that jingle. 1774 01:50:59,490 --> 01:51:03,810 1337 Delete boost from Gene bein. He says I think you all 1775 01:51:03,810 --> 01:51:06,630 are wrong about people not wanting comments. I think most 1776 01:51:06,630 --> 01:51:09,960 people don't know. It's an option. This could provide. I 1777 01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:13,800 think activity pub comments done directly in podcast apps via an 1778 01:51:13,800 --> 01:51:18,150 OAuth flow like Mastodon clients would it be welcome Well, that's 1779 01:51:18,180 --> 01:51:19,410 James agrees with you that's 1780 01:51:19,410 --> 01:51:20,880 what he said. That's right. Who was this? 1781 01:51:21,719 --> 01:51:23,189 No that was Jean been a jean 1782 01:51:23,190 --> 01:51:28,290 being we're just going to defragment you make sure you're 1783 01:51:28,290 --> 01:51:28,800 healthy. 1784 01:51:29,310 --> 01:51:33,720 No you don't we're getting rough out there crow knuckle 3333 1785 01:51:33,720 --> 01:51:39,300 through fountain no note from Chronicle. See true true grits. 1786 01:51:39,330 --> 01:51:44,430 6000 SATs through fountain he says you should have Chris last 1787 01:51:44,430 --> 01:51:46,890 from Jupiter broadcasting back on to talk about membership 1788 01:51:46,890 --> 01:51:50,310 paywall content in addition to boosts works for his network 1789 01:51:50,310 --> 01:51:55,260 also congrats on the full term Bitcoin baby. Yes, we made it 1790 01:51:55,260 --> 01:51:56,040 nine months 1791 01:51:56,220 --> 01:52:01,590 well this is Alby contracts are working on something like that 1792 01:52:01,590 --> 01:52:03,510 we'll see how that works. I'm curious 1793 01:52:04,020 --> 01:52:06,420 Yeah, and just if anybody's curious I'm looking at the daily 1794 01:52:06,450 --> 01:52:10,680 The Daily Report Yeah, we did we hit one bitcoin on the node and 1795 01:52:10,680 --> 01:52:16,230 so and 72% of that is is enchant is active in channels providing 1796 01:52:16,230 --> 01:52:20,190 liquidity so Oh yes. Well we could snapshot of where we're at 1797 01:52:20,250 --> 01:52:23,850 and we can open more channels people we've got liquidity if 1798 01:52:23,850 --> 01:52:26,370 you need if you need liquidity we're happy to own the channel 1799 01:52:26,610 --> 01:52:29,460 isn't is opening more channels and actually boosting the size 1800 01:52:29,460 --> 01:52:32,280 of existing channels to which you know that's the main thing 1801 01:52:32,280 --> 01:52:32,730 Yeah, 1802 01:52:32,790 --> 01:52:35,790 we definitely have to do that. We had to we had to scale 1803 01:52:35,790 --> 01:52:39,690 up with with with fountain you know recently because they 1804 01:52:39,720 --> 01:52:41,670 couldn't get the boost through there was there was no big 1805 01:52:41,670 --> 01:52:46,950 enough channel. I fiber citadel. Yep. 1998 says thank you Auburn 1806 01:52:46,950 --> 01:52:52,110 Citadel no note. Oh, this is one Auburn Citadel streamers. Double 1807 01:52:52,110 --> 01:52:57,120 in a row. Chaos. 99 2200 SATs through fountaining says Enjoy 1808 01:52:57,120 --> 01:53:00,660 podcasting. 2.0 a masterclass is the true spirit of agile 1809 01:53:00,660 --> 01:53:03,960 delivery. A truly invested product owner in Adam and Dave 1810 01:53:03,960 --> 01:53:06,150 representing the product team with first principles and 1811 01:53:06,150 --> 01:53:07,590 developing a viable product. 1812 01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:09,960 Well, that was I don't know what you said. But I'll give you a 1813 01:53:09,960 --> 01:53:13,380 Stanley I'll take 1814 01:53:14,430 --> 01:53:23,670 Martin lindskog. Tu tu tu tu tu tu tu Wow, that's 222,220 sets. 1815 01:53:27,450 --> 01:53:30,060 20 blades on the Impala. 1816 01:53:30,090 --> 01:53:32,280 Oh man. Double eggnog 1817 01:53:32,730 --> 01:53:35,970 that's through pod verse. Nice. Cool. Who's coming in through 1818 01:53:35,970 --> 01:53:39,750 pod first? Yeah. Adam and Dave, you have the deluxe six Deluxe, 1819 01:53:39,780 --> 01:53:43,980 tu tu tu tu tu tu in a row. I look forward to becoming 1820 01:53:43,980 --> 01:53:47,940 podcasting. 2.0 certified during 2023 t shirt size medium have a 1821 01:53:47,940 --> 01:53:50,430 prosperous New Year Martin lindskog Tea Party media 1822 01:53:50,430 --> 01:53:51,090 podcasts. 1823 01:53:51,120 --> 01:53:54,690 My husband Martin already hit the threshold for a T 1824 01:53:54,690 --> 01:53:58,410 shirt. Oh, yeah, that was it. Let's just hit it. Yeah, 1825 01:53:58,440 --> 01:54:02,430 we got to send them that. I love his style, ma'am. He's got a 1826 01:54:02,430 --> 01:54:07,590 cool look. He's got a cool look. I like him. But if you're 1827 01:54:07,590 --> 01:54:09,630 listening to this podcast, you should it's pretty easy. 1828 01:54:10,920 --> 01:54:13,800 Martin send me send me your address email it to me so I know 1829 01:54:13,800 --> 01:54:15,630 where to send it. And we'll get you just send 1830 01:54:15,630 --> 01:54:19,830 another booster gram with it. I'll be fine. Yeah. I'm still 1831 01:54:19,830 --> 01:54:21,390 waiting for my stickers. Todd. 1832 01:54:22,590 --> 01:54:27,210 Oh, the toe to toe is This is Todd is 1833 01:54:27,570 --> 01:54:32,280 a welfare man. He's welding on the stickers. Yeah, what was a 1834 01:54:32,280 --> 01:54:35,700 bill it was like was it 50,000 Why was it for the stickers? I 1835 01:54:35,700 --> 01:54:37,560 don't remember. It was a big big number. 1836 01:54:38,220 --> 01:54:42,870 I sent him stickers. Because if you sent him stickers then I 1837 01:54:42,870 --> 01:54:44,010 would send stickers back. 1838 01:54:44,130 --> 01:54:46,830 No, no, no, no, I said so he said for those he said if I sent 1839 01:54:46,830 --> 01:54:50,280 it was like some boost amount and he would send stickers and 1840 01:54:50,280 --> 01:54:56,730 then I boosted the same amount with my address. Still no 1841 01:54:57,120 --> 01:54:57,600 stickers. 1842 01:54:58,140 --> 01:55:02,760 Tone records says 55 55 through breeze and he says Sammy Hagar 1843 01:55:02,760 --> 01:55:07,440 boost I think that's I think that's right. I think that is 1844 01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:08,520 the Sammy Hagar boost. 1845 01:55:14,940 --> 01:55:19,410 25,000 sounds from Dobby das at RSS blue.com puter Eason he says 1846 01:55:19,590 --> 01:55:22,260 Happy new year starting to celebrate even earlier than 1847 01:55:22,260 --> 01:55:25,470 Australians just to send this booster ground. Oh, boost boost 1848 01:55:25,470 --> 01:55:28,320 boost. That's right, James. You're you're celebrating New 1849 01:55:28,320 --> 01:55:29,970 Year's and what 12 hours from now? 1850 01:55:30,750 --> 01:55:35,550 Yes, yes indeed in 13 hours from now. And if you're watching ABC 1851 01:55:35,550 --> 01:55:39,330 TV here, then I will be singing Auld Lang sign just after the 1852 01:55:39,330 --> 01:55:40,290 fireworks and midnight. 1853 01:55:40,860 --> 01:55:41,670 Really? Are you? 1854 01:55:41,730 --> 01:55:47,190 Is this a paid game? Along with another 700 people? I will be 1855 01:55:47,190 --> 01:55:47,760 singing it. 1856 01:55:47,790 --> 01:55:49,920 Where are you in studio? Are you in studio? 1857 01:55:50,519 --> 01:55:55,259 We recorded it about two months ago. And we're all taught it's a 1858 01:55:55,259 --> 01:55:59,699 it's it's in a pub. And it's all in four part harmony. And yeah, 1859 01:55:59,699 --> 01:56:00,869 it's Connect. It's going to be good fun 1860 01:56:00,900 --> 01:56:04,980 just to share for a moment. So MTV always used to do this New 1861 01:56:04,980 --> 01:56:09,210 Year's Eve big thing. Very much like declerck are now Ryan 1862 01:56:09,210 --> 01:56:13,320 Seacrest. And in fact, my first on air appearance and MTV was 1863 01:56:13,320 --> 01:56:18,900 1987 Going into 1988 they said okay, Adam, we want you on time 1864 01:56:18,900 --> 01:56:21,180 squared and at times square then was dangerous. You could get 1865 01:56:21,180 --> 01:56:25,200 killed in Times Square. Now you can be drunk fall down and you 1866 01:56:25,200 --> 01:56:28,470 bounce back because it's all rubber. And there's no cars. So 1867 01:56:28,470 --> 01:56:31,380 I had a bodyguard with a with a gun. That was really exciting 1868 01:56:31,380 --> 01:56:35,100 back then, you know, hundreds of 1000s of my best friends than I 1869 01:56:35,100 --> 01:56:38,730 was reporting down there. But then in later years, we would 1870 01:56:38,730 --> 01:56:42,000 always have the big New Year's Eve celebration bash with all 1871 01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:46,560 these artists, which we'd record in July. And it was I hated 1872 01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:52,860 that. It sucks. So bad. So bad. It's so fake. It's so typical 1873 01:56:52,860 --> 01:56:54,720 television. It I hate it. 1874 01:56:55,980 --> 01:56:59,100 That real real stuff is is a really important thing. Isn't 1875 01:56:59,100 --> 01:56:59,670 it? The way 1876 01:56:59,669 --> 01:57:03,299 it used to be when we were young James? Oh, yeah. Well, how old 1877 01:57:03,299 --> 01:57:05,279 are you? What are you? Are you 50 yet? 1878 01:57:05,910 --> 01:57:10,740 I am 51 and i Yes, I'm 51 Yeah, go Yeah. 1879 01:57:12,630 --> 01:57:13,920 Dave's the younger in here. 1880 01:57:14,100 --> 01:57:17,670 No, I'm a baby. I'm an absolute baby. Yeah, yeah. 46 1881 01:57:17,790 --> 01:57:18,630 she 1882 01:57:21,930 --> 01:57:24,480 remember 46 Everything was in black and white and it was war 1883 01:57:24,480 --> 01:57:24,750 on 1884 01:57:29,700 --> 01:57:38,820 the siren keep going off. Jake Jayco jackal stirred Jake. Il 1885 01:57:38,820 --> 01:57:44,130 STR okay. I don't know how to pronounce it. 11111 He says a 1886 01:57:44,130 --> 01:57:47,220 row dicks to round out the Year. Happy New Year. Sir Jake the 1887 01:57:47,220 --> 01:57:48,240 hard gays night. 1888 01:57:50,940 --> 01:57:57,600 Sir Jake is he's actually he's a Submariner. Remember, it's not 1889 01:57:57,600 --> 01:57:59,070 gay if it's underway, everybody. 1890 01:58:01,350 --> 01:58:06,960 717 is a 1770 76 for blueberry. He says Adam, can you rip that 1891 01:58:06,960 --> 01:58:07,410 bond for 1892 01:58:07,410 --> 01:58:10,380 me? Yeah, we already did that. Yeah. So we're back to the we're 1893 01:58:10,380 --> 01:58:11,430 almost at the delimiter 1894 01:58:11,880 --> 01:58:14,310 okay, we know we got the deliveries right here. He's 1895 01:58:14,310 --> 01:58:20,100 staring me in the face coming. Yes, everybody. 33,015 says he 1896 01:58:20,100 --> 01:58:24,810 says Dave. Adam, is the precipice of change looms over 1897 01:58:24,810 --> 01:58:28,560 humanity and your contribution is appreciated. Attitudes 1898 01:58:28,560 --> 01:58:32,100 formulated now will have long lasting effects on the future of 1899 01:58:32,100 --> 01:58:35,790 our species. So prescribe your listeners a hearty meal of the 1900 01:58:35,790 --> 01:58:39,660 podcast, AI duck cooking. Stay Ahead of the leaps that 1901 01:58:39,660 --> 01:58:43,140 artificial sentience is making infotainment with your enigmatic 1902 01:58:43,140 --> 01:58:46,170 narrator, Gregory William Forsythe foreman, yo. 1903 01:58:46,559 --> 01:58:50,519 So it's aI dot cooking and I think to round out the year we 1904 01:58:50,519 --> 01:58:55,409 should play his custom jingle which I have had it and use for 1905 01:58:55,409 --> 01:59:01,559 I would say 16 years 16 Maybe 17 years he's been around a long 1906 01:59:01,559 --> 01:59:01,979 time. 1907 01:59:02,670 --> 01:59:07,800 Comic Strip, strip, comic strip, comic strip on the Strip, strip, 1908 01:59:08,700 --> 01:59:10,680 con extra comic category. 1909 01:59:12,900 --> 01:59:13,770 Comic Strip 1910 01:59:17,100 --> 01:59:21,300 Thank you comic strip. Monthly. Get another guest Michael 1911 01:59:21,300 --> 01:59:26,430 Kimmerer $5.33 Lesley Martin $2, dribs got the Bruce Wayne of 1912 01:59:26,430 --> 01:59:32,340 podcasting 2.0 $15 Aaron Renaud $5 and Pedro Gon calvess $5 1913 01:59:32,340 --> 01:59:32,910 That's our group. 1914 01:59:33,150 --> 01:59:36,180 Thank you all very much value for value. You hear it here. 1915 01:59:36,180 --> 01:59:39,330 It's working. It's for the podcast is for the project. You 1916 01:59:39,330 --> 01:59:42,390 keep it all moving. You keep it rockin. Yeah, you heard. We have 1917 01:59:42,420 --> 01:59:46,200 a full coin. It's on the node. We're providing liquidity hit us 1918 01:59:46,200 --> 01:59:48,690 up. We're happy to do it. We love doing it. It's our 1919 01:59:48,690 --> 01:59:51,870 retirement project. Please remember us when we're dead. Go 1920 01:59:51,870 --> 01:59:55,350 to podcast index.org down at the bottom you gotta you gotta 1921 01:59:55,350 --> 01:59:59,010 donate button you can use your fun Fiat fun coupons there. You 1922 01:59:59,010 --> 02:00:01,680 can even Oh, I should show going again. I guess you can even send 1923 02:00:01,680 --> 02:00:04,920 us a whole Bitcoin if you want on chain there is there's a QR 1924 02:00:04,920 --> 02:00:08,850 Code Forge. Oddly enough, no one ever seems to do it. Even though 1925 02:00:09,240 --> 02:00:12,600 Hey, man, if you I'll donate if you can put it up put it up in 1926 02:00:12,600 --> 02:00:16,050 the Bitcoin. No, it's not true. Let me see the last time we 1927 02:00:16,050 --> 02:00:21,390 received anything on through that was August 22, August 26. 1928 02:00:21,390 --> 02:00:22,860 So it's been quite a while. No, it's 1929 02:00:22,860 --> 02:00:23,760 on fire. Yeah, 1930 02:00:24,090 --> 02:00:28,110 it's rocket but get one of those newfangled podcast apps go to 1931 02:00:28,230 --> 02:00:35,730 pod news.net/new podcast apps. Yes. Well, plates. 1932 02:00:37,650 --> 02:00:40,320 Goodwill work. Yes. Nude podcast app. 1933 02:00:40,500 --> 02:00:43,140 Nude podcast. app.com. Yes, correct. 1934 02:00:43,920 --> 02:00:47,070 One thing you will never get from this show is this, this 1935 02:00:47,070 --> 02:00:50,400 message from Patreon that went out to their customers. We're 1936 02:00:50,400 --> 02:00:53,430 happy we're happy to notify you that you have met or are well on 1937 02:00:53,430 --> 02:00:56,310 your way to meeting the threshold to receive a 10 99k 1938 02:00:56,310 --> 02:01:05,010 form. This is my favorite part of this. This is form 10 99k is 1939 02:01:05,010 --> 02:01:07,590 an IRS Form used to report payment card and third party 1940 02:01:07,590 --> 02:01:11,580 network transactions in an effort to improve voluntary tax 1941 02:01:11,580 --> 02:01:16,410 compliance. Right volunteering is an interesting term we're 1942 02:01:16,410 --> 02:01:19,200 going to give your information to the government so that you 1943 02:01:19,200 --> 02:01:20,460 can voluntarily 1944 02:01:22,740 --> 02:01:26,220 you will obey you will Why was my obey clip 1945 02:01:27,030 --> 02:01:29,700 yes it's totally voluntary this is you don't have to 1946 02:01:30,540 --> 02:01:35,010 here it is I knew I had you will obey you will obey you will 1947 02:01:35,010 --> 02:01:35,670 obey. 1948 02:01:37,290 --> 02:01:39,690 Well there's there's a remix as a remix. So 1949 02:01:39,720 --> 02:01:44,880 have more tail have more tail have more tail, have more tail, 1950 02:01:44,910 --> 02:01:47,610 have more tail have more tail you. 1951 02:01:51,180 --> 02:01:52,530 What's your programming for today? 1952 02:01:54,870 --> 02:01:57,660 Do you want to read this? This is the board maybe we're doing a 1953 02:01:57,660 --> 02:02:01,200 read this on the air real quick this account takedown request 1954 02:02:01,200 --> 02:02:01,710 that we got? 1955 02:02:07,440 --> 02:02:09,060 Is that something we can discuss? Well, 1956 02:02:09,570 --> 02:02:13,440 I would think it was regarding one of the apps it wasn't even 1957 02:02:13,440 --> 02:02:14,790 regarding us actually. 1958 02:02:15,120 --> 02:02:15,960 Did you read it? 1959 02:02:16,349 --> 02:02:19,529 I only quickly I saw the screenshot it looked like they 1960 02:02:19,529 --> 02:02:24,449 said, Hey, we have this this link here. Which that's not our 1961 02:02:24,449 --> 02:02:24,959 link. 1962 02:02:25,799 --> 02:02:29,249 Yeah, but but the website, I mean, the podcast is. So we 1963 02:02:29,249 --> 02:02:33,089 basically got to let me see if I can generif Fie this enough that 1964 02:02:33,359 --> 02:02:38,969 we get a takedown request for a podcast. And it says this 1965 02:02:38,999 --> 02:02:42,929 account is illegally falsifying the identity of fill in the 1966 02:02:42,929 --> 02:02:47,279 blank by using its executives name and image in the profile 1967 02:02:47,279 --> 02:02:50,009 violating the privacy policy of the client. 1968 02:02:51,150 --> 02:02:54,330 I lost I loved the privacy policy of the client, whatever 1969 02:02:54,330 --> 02:02:54,870 that is, 1970 02:02:55,559 --> 02:02:58,829 it says as well, let me just kind of read through it here. 1971 02:02:58,859 --> 02:03:02,579 Because I'm interested to know what which was, take us on this. 1972 02:03:02,579 --> 02:03:06,419 It says greetings, we have the authorized representatives of 1973 02:03:06,449 --> 02:03:08,939 fill in the blank. And they have brought this URL to our 1974 02:03:08,939 --> 02:03:14,849 attention. And it's a link to a podcast app to a certain podcast 1975 02:03:14,849 --> 02:03:19,679 on a podcast app that clearly the podcast app uses our data as 1976 02:03:19,679 --> 02:03:22,109 the backend. So I'm assuming that that's how they got in 1977 02:03:22,109 --> 02:03:26,369 touch with us. It says this account, whatever that means, is 1978 02:03:26,369 --> 02:03:29,249 illegally falsifying the identity of fill in the blank by 1979 02:03:29,249 --> 02:03:32,549 using its executives name and a image in the profile violating 1980 02:03:32,549 --> 02:03:35,879 the privacy policy of the client. The site is falsifying 1981 02:03:35,879 --> 02:03:40,409 the identity of our client by podcasting information, which 1982 02:03:40,409 --> 02:03:44,129 could impact the brand and reputation. Our client has 1983 02:03:44,129 --> 02:03:48,089 requested the removal of these profiles, as it is violating the 1984 02:03:48,089 --> 02:03:52,259 company policies and doesn't belong to them. Kindly remove 1985 02:03:52,259 --> 02:03:53,999 these profiles on priority. 1986 02:03:54,330 --> 02:03:58,290 Now, here's the problem. The email the screenshot you sent me 1987 02:03:58,290 --> 02:04:01,140 has a name as our company is at a law firm is as 1988 02:04:02,430 --> 02:04:08,010 well, the it's it's a very generic sounding name with no 1989 02:04:08,010 --> 02:04:11,490 website, which makes me suspicious. But at the same 1990 02:04:11,490 --> 02:04:18,450 time, like what what's the point of this? Like? It doesn't seem 1991 02:04:18,450 --> 02:04:22,020 like a phishing type scam unless it's 1992 02:04:22,050 --> 02:04:24,720 well it's not it's not coming. I'm just looking at the email 1993 02:04:24,720 --> 02:04:31,740 addresses not coming from a from a law firm. No. I and I 1994 02:04:31,740 --> 02:04:35,220 generally see this as a big pile of horseshit. If you want to if 1995 02:04:35,220 --> 02:04:38,070 you're a lawyer and you're doing a takedown then there's a 1996 02:04:38,100 --> 02:04:40,200 there's a procedure for that James, you know, 1997 02:04:40,200 --> 02:04:41,640 as a way of doing that, yeah. What 1998 02:04:41,640 --> 02:04:42,480 is the procedure? 1999 02:04:43,080 --> 02:04:48,450 I filled in yesterday, I filled in a number of DMCA claim 2000 02:04:48,450 --> 02:04:52,920 things. Anchor because there are some shows on Anchor called pod 2001 02:04:52,920 --> 02:04:55,050 news. And pod news is a registered trademark and I've 2002 02:04:55,050 --> 02:04:58,950 spent a lot of money in the US and in Canada for it and no you 2003 02:04:58,950 --> 02:05:01,920 don't get to launch Your own podcast called pod news. Thank 2004 02:05:01,920 --> 02:05:05,700 you very much. And so yeah, so I was filling in that kind of 2005 02:05:05,700 --> 02:05:08,040 information. And that's typically the way but you 2006 02:05:08,040 --> 02:05:11,670 obviously need a registered trademark first. We should point 2007 02:05:11,670 --> 02:05:15,300 out that this is not this is not fill in the blanks the podcast 2008 02:05:15,300 --> 02:05:19,680 from Dr. Phil McGraw. This is a totally separate podcasts that 2009 02:05:19,680 --> 02:05:24,540 David's talking about. But yeah, you know, so if you want to, if 2010 02:05:24,540 --> 02:05:27,750 you want to protect your stuff, the best way of protecting your 2011 02:05:27,750 --> 02:05:31,320 stuff is firstly, not to call it something generic, like let's 2012 02:05:31,350 --> 02:05:35,580 talk because there are over 1000 shows called Let's Talk already, 2013 02:05:36,120 --> 02:05:41,940 but secondly to to if you can to register that name of your 2014 02:05:41,940 --> 02:05:45,570 podcast as a trademark because that then means that there is 2015 02:05:45,570 --> 02:05:50,760 law on your side where you can where you can talk to whoever it 2016 02:05:50,760 --> 02:05:53,550 might be and say no, it's a registered trademark, here is my 2017 02:05:53,550 --> 02:05:57,570 number. And you need to take this, this this this down, 2018 02:05:57,570 --> 02:06:01,320 otherwise you will lose in court. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. 2019 02:06:01,350 --> 02:06:04,650 You know, so that's basically the way and unfortunately, you 2020 02:06:04,650 --> 02:06:08,640 know, you do end up seeing people, I mean, any search for, 2021 02:06:09,180 --> 02:06:12,210 you know, whether it's cereal, or This American Life, you'll 2022 02:06:12,210 --> 02:06:15,600 see a bunch of people who have basically copied that podcast 2023 02:06:15,600 --> 02:06:19,050 and put it into their own anchor account so that they can somehow 2024 02:06:19,050 --> 02:06:21,540 earn some money out of it. I don't fully understand how that 2025 02:06:21,540 --> 02:06:22,260 bit works. Now, 2026 02:06:22,260 --> 02:06:27,450 just to be clear, this is the actual podcast of the like, 2027 02:06:27,900 --> 02:06:31,530 this, this is the real feed. This is not a clone feed. This 2028 02:06:31,530 --> 02:06:32,250 is the actual 2029 02:06:32,250 --> 02:06:35,790 is the actual feed, have a really okay, yes, is the real 2030 02:06:35,790 --> 02:06:39,240 feed that they're wanting taken down. Because I 2031 02:06:39,240 --> 02:06:43,440 got a lawyer, I got a lawyer contact me about six months or 2032 02:06:43,440 --> 02:06:47,310 so ago. So pod news itself has a podcast directory in there, 2033 02:06:47,310 --> 02:06:51,900 which is powered by both Apple and the podcast index. And I had 2034 02:06:51,900 --> 02:06:55,830 someone contact me about six months ago saying the only 2035 02:06:55,830 --> 02:07:00,390 people who are allowed to have my clients podcast on Apple 2036 02:07:00,390 --> 02:07:06,120 podcasts, you must not be linking to the podcast in any 2037 02:07:06,120 --> 02:07:09,810 way shape, or form because it's exclusive to Apple podcasts. 2038 02:07:09,810 --> 02:07:14,910 They were hosted on Lipson for a start. So. So already, there's 2039 02:07:14,940 --> 02:07:17,970 clearly a problem here because No, it's not actually on Apple 2040 02:07:17,970 --> 02:07:22,050 podcasts anyway. But also secondly, I was linking to it. I 2041 02:07:22,050 --> 02:07:25,860 was linking to the podcast to the podcasts audio in exactly 2042 02:07:25,860 --> 02:07:28,680 the same way as any other podcast app does. But the lawyer 2043 02:07:28,680 --> 02:07:32,670 was deeply upset. And so if you search for this particular 2044 02:07:32,670 --> 02:07:37,020 podcast now, on the pod news website, I won't tell you the 2045 02:07:37,020 --> 02:07:40,440 name of the podcast, then instead of getting the podcast 2046 02:07:40,440 --> 02:07:45,870 information, you get a you get an article about what they want 2047 02:07:45,990 --> 02:07:51,270 the lawyer asked for and an embed of the apple podcasts 2048 02:07:51,270 --> 02:07:55,530 player so that it's directly linking to Apple podcasts, you 2049 02:07:55,530 --> 02:07:58,650 can still listen to it on my on my website is just is just an 2050 02:07:58,650 --> 02:08:01,320 embed, but you know that that's what they wanted. So hopefully 2051 02:08:01,320 --> 02:08:05,670 that that's okay, though. There are a lot of a lot of lawyers 2052 02:08:05,850 --> 02:08:09,120 who just simply don't understand the podcast space and don't 2053 02:08:09,120 --> 02:08:12,000 understand me and Adam, you must have had this for years and 2054 02:08:12,000 --> 02:08:15,780 years and years of dumb lawyers not fully understanding what a 2055 02:08:15,780 --> 02:08:19,410 link is, and what, you know, copying content it. 2056 02:08:19,650 --> 02:08:25,650 Yes. And I've had many, I've actually been taken to court 2057 02:08:25,650 --> 02:08:31,920 over the Lanham acts. And I've, I've taken publications, and one 2058 02:08:32,520 --> 02:08:36,960 using Creative Commons copyright. In fact, I was the 2059 02:08:36,960 --> 02:08:40,980 first one to prove it in court. In this case, I think we just 2060 02:08:40,980 --> 02:08:43,740 need to know that this guy actually represents this 2061 02:08:43,740 --> 02:08:47,790 particular client. And if they want that gone fuck him down. 2062 02:08:47,790 --> 02:08:51,180 And you know what I liked James's idea was put a copy of 2063 02:08:51,180 --> 02:08:54,030 their takedown request as the as the search result. Boom, there 2064 02:08:54,030 --> 02:08:57,300 you go. Yeah, there you go. Enjoy that. Because it's a 2065 02:08:57,300 --> 02:09:00,150 mainstream show. You know, it's a big mainstream show, and 2066 02:09:00,150 --> 02:09:04,710 they've got morons working. So if he can prove that he is truly 2067 02:09:04,710 --> 02:09:07,560 a representative, because this is no proof, then that we'll be 2068 02:09:07,920 --> 02:09:10,770 happy to take that out. And by the way, we're never going to 2069 02:09:10,770 --> 02:09:11,610 let you back in. 2070 02:09:12,900 --> 02:09:14,160 Once it's out, its out. Yeah. 2071 02:09:14,910 --> 02:09:18,510 There's no, there's no, there's no second chances here. Yeah, I 2072 02:09:18,510 --> 02:09:22,020 mean, just looking at this show. It is it is it is from a 2073 02:09:22,020 --> 02:09:25,620 mainstream is from a mainstream outfit, but just looking at the 2074 02:09:25,620 --> 02:09:28,710 show. I can't I can't imagine more than five people listen to 2075 02:09:28,710 --> 02:09:32,010 this thing. Anyway. So surely, it's not that big of a loss. 2076 02:09:32,040 --> 02:09:37,200 Gentlemen, we are at two hours in nine minutes. I think we 2077 02:09:37,200 --> 02:09:38,190 should wind it down. 2078 02:09:40,800 --> 02:09:42,600 Well, it's been a great pleasure. Thank you. Thank you 2079 02:09:42,600 --> 02:09:42,990 so much. 2080 02:09:43,020 --> 02:09:45,630 I don't want to be the party pooper here, but I'm just I'm 2081 02:09:45,630 --> 02:09:46,200 just saying. 2082 02:09:47,340 --> 02:09:49,590 I gotta eat some supper and James got to eat brunch. 2083 02:09:49,800 --> 02:09:54,150 It's costing nonstop for the last five hours. 2084 02:09:54,210 --> 02:09:59,100 Yeah. And I love it. I can't get enough of it. I love podcasts. 2085 02:09:59,520 --> 02:10:00,960 That's why Fine. So 2086 02:10:01,230 --> 02:10:04,830 thank you for thank you both for everything that you do. You've, 2087 02:10:05,070 --> 02:10:08,760 you know, the world, the world is changing, I think away from a 2088 02:10:08,760 --> 02:10:12,900 proprietary system into openness again, and I think podcasting 2089 02:10:12,900 --> 02:10:17,730 2.0 is a big, big part of that. So, so thank you so much for 2090 02:10:17,730 --> 02:10:22,470 doing that. And great success next year. Yeah, you too, James, 2091 02:10:22,470 --> 02:10:23,430 I appreciate it. And 2092 02:10:24,210 --> 02:10:27,180 I hope you'll don't change the just one name change, right. No 2093 02:10:27,180 --> 02:10:29,250 more. No more name changes. You're good. You're sticking 2094 02:10:29,250 --> 02:10:30,510 with POD Newsweekly. For a while 2095 02:10:31,050 --> 02:10:34,680 now on no, my name changes. It's there. It's there until, yeah, 2096 02:10:34,710 --> 02:10:37,650 it's there. Until then, until something bad, something bad 2097 02:10:37,650 --> 02:10:39,630 happens. Yes. But I'm sure that that won't happen. 2098 02:10:39,840 --> 02:10:42,930 And thank you. Thank you, James. For all the reporting. You do 2099 02:10:42,930 --> 02:10:47,010 the one of the few who will constantly report on on what 2100 02:10:47,010 --> 02:10:49,200 we're on what is happening at podcasting to point it was 2101 02:10:49,200 --> 02:10:52,860 highly appreciated. But you know, but you know, I showed 2102 02:10:52,860 --> 02:10:55,500 that I showed that appreciation, look at how many below how many 2103 02:10:55,500 --> 02:10:56,850 Satoshis I'm sending you. 2104 02:10:57,090 --> 02:11:00,570 I know it's actually that's my retirement fund. It's 2105 02:11:01,890 --> 02:11:05,430 exactly. And thank everybody else, all of the board members 2106 02:11:05,910 --> 02:11:09,720 who participate, of course, all the developers, everybody who is 2107 02:11:09,750 --> 02:11:13,350 participating and that is from people just listening, hanging 2108 02:11:13,350 --> 02:11:18,240 on podcast index dot social developers podcasters. Y'all 2109 02:11:18,240 --> 02:11:21,330 know who you are. And of course people who are supporting the 2110 02:11:21,330 --> 02:11:23,580 project. We really, really appreciate it and Dave, thank 2111 02:11:23,580 --> 02:11:27,090 you my brother. Thank you for yet another year. Lots of fun 2112 02:11:27,300 --> 02:11:28,740 and poverty. We love it. 2113 02:11:28,800 --> 02:11:31,050 Yes. Yes. Fun and poverty. Happy New Year. 2114 02:11:32,250 --> 02:11:36,660 Alright, everybody, we will see you next year. That's right. 2115 02:11:36,840 --> 02:11:39,270 Which means one week from now we'll be back with another board 2116 02:11:39,270 --> 02:11:42,480 meeting for podcasting. 2.0 Have a Happy New Year be safe 2117 02:11:42,480 --> 02:11:43,500 everybody bye bye. 2118 02:12:01,650 --> 02:12:06,210 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 2119 02:12:06,210 --> 02:12:10,020 index.com For more information, boost boost