1 00:00:00,450 --> 00:00:05,430 podcasting 2.0 for November 13 2020, Episode 11 and we're 2 00:00:05,430 --> 00:00:15,840 streaming sachdeva presets at a time, but it's a start. Once 3 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:20,700 again, it's a Friday. It's Adam Curry as we run down the latest 4 00:00:20,700 --> 00:00:25,980 developments in podcasting. 2.0 at podcasting index.org and some 5 00:00:25,980 --> 00:00:29,880 column Dave the dev from down south. I call him the dream 6 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:36,480 maker Dave Jones. He lives he lives. 7 00:00:37,980 --> 00:00:41,790 Man, I'm not. I'm not the man I used to be. But I'm but I'm half 8 00:00:41,790 --> 00:00:45,240 of that. And half the man I used to be. That's gotta count for 9 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:45,780 something. Right? 10 00:00:46,380 --> 00:00:50,040 Oh man, Dave, Dave. Dave. So are you still home? Are you still 11 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,290 quarantining? what's the what's the deal? 12 00:00:53,039 --> 00:00:57,479 Yeah, it made me and my whole family. So we're a two week 13 00:00:57,479 --> 00:01:03,239 quarantine I was in. I was in one bedroom of my house for 11 14 00:01:03,239 --> 00:01:11,159 days. My wife's a teacher and then my kids go to or two of my 15 00:01:11,159 --> 00:01:15,539 kids go to her her school. And so, you know, like teacher 16 00:01:15,539 --> 00:01:18,449 stuff. I mean, they lock that down. Oh, yeah. If you've been 17 00:01:18,719 --> 00:01:22,619 COVID Yeah. Anybody who has COVID positive you are. You 18 00:01:22,619 --> 00:01:25,559 know, you're in the quarantine. So we were all we were all 19 00:01:25,559 --> 00:01:31,979 quarantine here. Yeah. And I was pretty sick. And so like, not 20 00:01:32,099 --> 00:01:33,839 only shoved me into the wrist. 21 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,430 Now. It was just the rohner that got you sick, or was it writing 22 00:01:38,430 --> 00:01:42,150 the namespace elements that got you sicker? Yeah. 23 00:01:44,310 --> 00:01:48,210 I don't know. And namespaces are fun. Yeah, as me Yeah. 24 00:01:48,209 --> 00:01:51,659 Remember what this show is all about namespace after all. I 25 00:01:51,659 --> 00:01:54,959 mean, that's what draws with drew that huge audience in is it 26 00:01:54,959 --> 00:01:58,739 is our sexy reads of namespaces. So yeah, definitely, 27 00:01:58,830 --> 00:02:02,520 you draw you draw a man with the namespace and keep them with a 28 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:09,420 bunch of lightning stuff. Want to say this though? I want to 29 00:02:09,420 --> 00:02:15,330 say this right out the gate. We did a half an episode on 30 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:20,970 lightning protocol and Bitcoin stuff. And as of yet today, a 31 00:02:20,970 --> 00:02:25,770 week later, I have not heard from one bitcoin person who 32 00:02:25,770 --> 00:02:28,710 emailed us and said that we're full of crap. We don't know what 33 00:02:28,710 --> 00:02:31,620 we're talking about. We're jerks. We're noobs. I mean, 34 00:02:31,620 --> 00:02:35,430 like, I was fully expecting to get pounded by the Bitcoin 35 00:02:35,430 --> 00:02:39,060 people of like, y'all are a bunch of idiots. You said 36 00:02:39,060 --> 00:02:42,750 everything wrong. Nothing made any sense. But we didn't. I'm 37 00:02:42,750 --> 00:02:47,580 calling that a win. It's a big win. And of course, now you have 38 00:02:47,580 --> 00:02:49,560 invited the boogeyman. And obviously, 39 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,260 what's it what's good about it is, and I've looked at this too, 40 00:02:55,260 --> 00:02:58,560 because, you know, typically on Twitter, you get some pushback. 41 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:06,030 And there's been the expected bsv fans, Bitcoin cash, and that 42 00:03:06,030 --> 00:03:08,610 kind of stuff. And basically, they're saying you're, you're, 43 00:03:08,700 --> 00:03:11,670 you're doing it wrong, you should do it with this, to which 44 00:03:11,700 --> 00:03:15,960 my answer is great. I mean, the more systems we can put into 45 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,900 this, the better bring it on. I mean, this is we're just we're 46 00:03:18,900 --> 00:03:22,200 just pushing this stuff, just pushing it to make something 47 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:26,220 happen. And allow me to say something up front, because I 48 00:03:26,220 --> 00:03:32,430 have been contacted by a lot of people in the Bitcoin are going 49 00:03:32,430 --> 00:03:35,730 to use the word community community, in the community 50 00:03:37,050 --> 00:03:38,310 in the community. 51 00:03:40,050 --> 00:03:43,830 And I've already done a couple of interviews on some Bitcoin 52 00:03:43,830 --> 00:03:48,570 podcasts to see today. Peter dropped and I said it dropped 53 00:03:48,570 --> 00:03:49,980 the you get 54 00:03:49,980 --> 00:03:50,670 you're out of control. 55 00:03:50,700 --> 00:03:55,590 Oh, yeah. Isn't it the what Bitcoin did episode which I 56 00:03:55,590 --> 00:04:01,260 listened to in its entirety and i and i am i'm very happy of how 57 00:04:01,260 --> 00:04:04,380 much of the story I got out in coherent fashion. He's a very 58 00:04:04,380 --> 00:04:09,840 gracious guy and and I enjoyed myself very much. But the more 59 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:15,180 that comes in, I want to make one thing very clear. Every 60 00:04:15,180 --> 00:04:18,930 single line of code of this project has either been written, 61 00:04:19,650 --> 00:04:26,910 managed or merged by Dave Jones. And there's no team there's no 62 00:04:28,050 --> 00:04:33,240 yelling in team nothing in Sofia, Bulgaria. And, and I 63 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,900 don't think Dave craves Limelight or anything like that, 64 00:04:36,900 --> 00:04:41,430 but it's, I crave giving it to you because you have really, I 65 00:04:41,430 --> 00:04:46,350 mean, we have throughout the decade, this is kind of, we 66 00:04:46,350 --> 00:04:50,490 looked at ourselves and said, hey, maybe this is the one and 67 00:04:50,490 --> 00:04:53,820 just just a throwback to episode one. You know, we've we've been 68 00:04:53,820 --> 00:04:57,150 developing really cool things that pretty much only work for 69 00:04:57,150 --> 00:05:01,080 me. And of course, Dave, you you want to use it Well, I mean, we 70 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,710 both use the tools. And we've never really hit on anything 71 00:05:04,710 --> 00:05:08,400 that would make sense for, you know, for the the public at 72 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:13,170 large, lots of great ideas. But it's always been Dave doing the 73 00:05:13,170 --> 00:05:15,990 coding, I do the breaking. That's, that's my job. And some 74 00:05:15,990 --> 00:05:20,340 of our devs at podcast index social have seen how deft I am 75 00:05:20,340 --> 00:05:21,450 at this. I don't 76 00:05:21,450 --> 00:05:24,780 think people understood when you said, Give me your stuff. And 77 00:05:24,780 --> 00:05:28,080 I'll break it. I don't think they understood exactly how 78 00:05:28,770 --> 00:05:34,050 efficient you are. Yeah, yes, they know now the so 79 00:05:35,610 --> 00:05:39,150 from your partner here, Dave, thank you so much. It's really 80 00:05:39,150 --> 00:05:42,840 it's incredible. The amount of and and, you know, even working 81 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:45,750 straight through the Rona man, I mean, that's, that's like danger 82 00:05:45,750 --> 00:05:46,170 pay. 83 00:05:46,530 --> 00:05:52,200 Thank you. I won't time and a half. Let me just say that I'm 84 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:57,480 so like it? Yes. Um, it's so it's so nice to be able to, like 85 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,460 talk to somebody outside of the house. 86 00:06:00,270 --> 00:06:03,990 This is wonderful, I'm guessing is saving Dave's life. Yeah, I'm 87 00:06:03,990 --> 00:06:05,010 God. And 88 00:06:08,280 --> 00:06:12,990 so, so much just happened. And maybe we just take a little 89 00:06:12,990 --> 00:06:19,080 pause and review where we are, as this all started off with the 90 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:24,210 creation of the index, and the namespace and pushing that 91 00:06:24,210 --> 00:06:28,380 forward and having implementations on well in the 92 00:06:28,410 --> 00:06:33,270 in the podcast index, of course, but then apps that actually take 93 00:06:33,270 --> 00:06:36,660 this information feeds are now starting to come online. And 94 00:06:36,660 --> 00:06:40,470 with that come, the hosting companies who will support a lot 95 00:06:40,470 --> 00:06:45,600 of these, a lot of these newer features. I just wanted to save 96 00:06:45,630 --> 00:06:48,720 from PayPal, or maybe new the beauty of what's happening here. 97 00:06:49,170 --> 00:06:52,230 And it doesn't matter whether it's adding chapters 98 00:06:52,230 --> 00:06:55,800 functionality, or if it's a value block, which splits up 99 00:06:55,920 --> 00:07:00,420 lightning Bitcoin payments. The beauty of this system is that it 100 00:07:00,420 --> 00:07:06,180 remains decentralized, by nature, in order to make it easy 101 00:07:06,180 --> 00:07:09,690 for developers, that's why the index exists. But all of this 102 00:07:09,690 --> 00:07:14,460 stuff, and we were just on a little chat earlier on the chat 103 00:07:14,460 --> 00:07:19,140 app. And it, it just hit me again, how cool it is that 104 00:07:19,140 --> 00:07:24,660 people can actually control what happens in a more meaningful way 105 00:07:24,660 --> 00:07:28,500 now by changing their RSS feed. So yeah, we're aggregating. 106 00:07:28,500 --> 00:07:31,740 We're providing API services to make it fast and make it 107 00:07:31,740 --> 00:07:35,880 functional. But, you know, I love the fact that we can blow 108 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:40,410 up and dry away would still work tomorrow. Yeah, that makes me so 109 00:07:40,410 --> 00:07:41,040 happy. 110 00:07:41,580 --> 00:07:44,700 Yeah, yeah. Hundred percent. Yeah, that's the cool part about 111 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,380 about this, about the way that the whole value block thing 112 00:07:49,380 --> 00:07:51,930 works is because you can stick that in there. And then you can 113 00:07:51,930 --> 00:07:54,930 just, you know, like, you can tweak it or whatever you want. 114 00:07:54,930 --> 00:07:57,600 And if it doesn't, you don't have to go ask somebody like, 115 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,690 you don't have to go like, you know, set up your account. Now, 116 00:08:00,690 --> 00:08:04,920 if you don't do any of that I miss your feed, you should 117 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,400 change it, because all we're doing is handing it back. Yeah. 118 00:08:08,610 --> 00:08:11,460 Because that's the thing is, like we wanted to make from the 119 00:08:11,460 --> 00:08:16,560 beginning is we wanted to make this thing. De the API part of 120 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:21,330 the index, something so that it's easy for app for new apps 121 00:08:21,330 --> 00:08:24,150 to get into the game. Yeah, I think you see that with with 122 00:08:24,150 --> 00:08:31,140 Sphinx, and we really need to talk about Sphinx, and how that 123 00:08:31,290 --> 00:08:35,880 works. Because there's still confusion. Yeah. And it's 124 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:36,630 understandable. 125 00:08:37,049 --> 00:08:40,499 No, it's very, it's very understandable. And, and I knew 126 00:08:40,499 --> 00:08:45,539 that this would be somewhat of a challenge to have people 127 00:08:45,539 --> 00:08:49,589 expecting a podcast app drop into a Sphinx tribe, and like, 128 00:08:49,619 --> 00:08:52,859 What is going on? You just have to understand how all the pieces 129 00:08:52,859 --> 00:08:56,999 fit together. And what what is the unique and what is the 130 00:08:56,999 --> 00:09:02,219 common infrastructure? But also give it a shot you media? Yes, 131 00:09:02,219 --> 00:09:06,599 I'd like you to but I want to say one thing up front that our 132 00:09:06,599 --> 00:09:12,239 marketing department, my wife, who, by the way, she's a C level 133 00:09:12,239 --> 00:09:14,759 marketing executive from nonprofits, and she's been in 134 00:09:14,759 --> 00:09:17,699 this all her life. She's the one that said read Donate button. 135 00:09:17,939 --> 00:09:22,169 She's the one that hammers into me. The number one reason people 136 00:09:22,169 --> 00:09:25,409 don't donate to nonprofits or to any cause is because they're not 137 00:09:25,409 --> 00:09:29,819 asked. And I just want to explain the value for value 138 00:09:29,819 --> 00:09:33,299 model, which is how the pledge system works just to revisit 139 00:09:33,299 --> 00:09:35,639 that so people understand because I still hear a little 140 00:09:35,639 --> 00:09:40,079 bit of confusion or you know, just you just have to see the 141 00:09:40,079 --> 00:09:46,049 examples to know that it works. When you ask someone to support 142 00:09:46,049 --> 00:09:50,309 your, your podcast, and you do it in a manner which is based 143 00:09:50,309 --> 00:09:53,699 upon the value so this is something you have to say to 144 00:09:53,699 --> 00:09:56,279 your audience, to your listeners, however you address 145 00:09:56,279 --> 00:09:59,579 them is that you're listening right now that clearly has some 146 00:09:59,579 --> 00:10:03,299 value. To you, otherwise you turn it off? What is that value? 147 00:10:04,169 --> 00:10:08,159 And you can provide all kinds of examples of how people spend 148 00:10:08,159 --> 00:10:11,549 their time. But it's really, you're asking them, what is 149 00:10:11,549 --> 00:10:16,799 their time worth? And if they say, hey, that's $1 an hour, and 150 00:10:16,799 --> 00:10:19,739 I'm spending my attention, but I'm also consuming this, I'm 151 00:10:19,739 --> 00:10:24,569 liking this, I'm going to send you $1 an hour. You'd be 152 00:10:24,569 --> 00:10:28,829 surprised if you make that completely open. How many people 153 00:10:28,829 --> 00:10:32,669 will send you $5 an hour. And I've learned this from 13 years 154 00:10:32,669 --> 00:10:36,209 doing this with the no agenda show by making it open ended we 155 00:10:36,209 --> 00:10:39,179 did almost from the beginning. He said, Send me whatever you 156 00:10:39,179 --> 00:10:42,329 think it's worth. And I use the example of if you listened to us 157 00:10:42,329 --> 00:10:46,079 for two hours. If you went to the movies, took a date had a 158 00:10:46,079 --> 00:10:49,979 drink had some popcorn, it cost you 4050 bucks, did you have the 159 00:10:49,979 --> 00:10:53,789 same type of enjoyment, these last two hours was it more was 160 00:10:53,789 --> 00:10:57,389 it less whatever that is send it to us in a PayPal, then a lot of 161 00:10:57,389 --> 00:11:01,229 people send $5, some would send 50 someone said 500. And believe 162 00:11:01,229 --> 00:11:05,189 it or not, some send 5008 is unbelievable, because you don't 163 00:11:05,189 --> 00:11:09,119 know how someone else value something. So we took that 164 00:11:09,119 --> 00:11:12,809 concept, and baked it into this ultimate value for value, which 165 00:11:12,809 --> 00:11:16,649 is time based. That's what I love about it. I'm listening, 166 00:11:17,039 --> 00:11:20,459 I'm sending you value back, it's completely voluntary, there's no 167 00:11:20,609 --> 00:11:26,039 cut off, there's no you don't get the feed 99% guaranteed will 168 00:11:26,039 --> 00:11:29,519 not participate, they will just use just listen to your content 169 00:11:29,519 --> 00:11:34,229 and never send anything. But the more you solidify this message, 170 00:11:34,229 --> 00:11:37,319 the more it works. And in general, people find a lot less 171 00:11:37,319 --> 00:11:41,699 annoying than commercials. And so the entire concept here is 172 00:11:41,699 --> 00:11:46,019 built upon that Foundation, which allows us to cut really to 173 00:11:46,019 --> 00:11:50,339 make shortcuts through all of the How is it served up? How do 174 00:11:50,339 --> 00:11:53,189 you receive the bits when you don't receive the bits, all of 175 00:11:53,189 --> 00:11:56,459 that is just negated by saying hey, you can listen to or watch 176 00:11:56,459 --> 00:12:00,329 whatever you want. Just think about the value return. There's 177 00:12:00,329 --> 00:12:03,719 other proven models such as Patreon, a simple PayPal 178 00:12:03,719 --> 00:12:07,229 donation button, these things do work with podcasting, it's 179 00:12:07,229 --> 00:12:10,589 unique, because you can ask the audience and remind them to do 180 00:12:10,589 --> 00:12:16,289 this. So that's the underpinning of the reason the use case for 181 00:12:16,289 --> 00:12:18,329 the pledge model in podcasting. 182 00:12:19,649 --> 00:12:26,099 And so it really boils down to just don't it's don't put a 183 00:12:26,099 --> 00:12:30,749 price on your own. Own your own stuff. Yeah. Don't, don't don't 184 00:12:30,749 --> 00:12:35,609 say, hey, if you like it, give us X number of dollars per per 185 00:12:35,609 --> 00:12:40,589 whatever. Because then you're you're you're limiting what the 186 00:12:40,589 --> 00:12:45,299 other person's value proposition is. In fact, in Sorry to 187 00:12:45,299 --> 00:12:45,809 interrupt. 188 00:12:45,870 --> 00:12:48,660 I'd like everyone who's listening to us on Sphinx app 189 00:12:48,660 --> 00:12:52,380 right now, the Sphinx chat. I'd like you to tap on the 190 00:12:52,410 --> 00:12:56,610 podcasting 2.0 at the top of the app, and move Hey, crank that 191 00:12:56,610 --> 00:13:00,870 value slider, everybody, we want that up to 100 SATs, crank it 192 00:13:00,870 --> 00:13:03,030 all the way to the right and boost us. 193 00:13:03,389 --> 00:13:08,699 Yeah. I mean, it's like, Whoa, why would you say? If you go to 194 00:13:08,699 --> 00:13:15,569 the, you know, me, I'm gonna make a economists mad now. So I 195 00:13:15,569 --> 00:13:18,029 think that's called subjective value, right? I mean, there's 196 00:13:18,029 --> 00:13:21,659 just know, you. That's why the market has to find out prices of 197 00:13:21,659 --> 00:13:24,479 things. Yes. That's why you don't that's why when you 198 00:13:24,569 --> 00:13:28,559 introduce a new product to the market, they, you can't say, Oh, 199 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:33,209 well, this is worth 1599. Because nobody knows yet. Right. 200 00:13:33,239 --> 00:13:37,589 And that's the whole idea is like, you can't know how much 201 00:13:37,769 --> 00:13:42,299 something is worth to somebody else. And you can and and I can 202 00:13:42,299 --> 00:13:46,049 tell you this. I think programmers will understand this 203 00:13:46,049 --> 00:13:50,219 more than probably maybe more than most is that there's always 204 00:13:50,219 --> 00:13:55,709 been a strong sort of imposter syndrome problem that runs 205 00:13:55,709 --> 00:13:59,399 through developers. And it's been this way for as long as I 206 00:13:59,399 --> 00:14:02,699 can ever remember. And a lot of it has to do with just the fact 207 00:14:02,699 --> 00:14:05,369 that there's blowhard developers out there who like to shame 208 00:14:05,369 --> 00:14:08,129 other people for not knowing something and that kind of 209 00:14:08,129 --> 00:14:14,369 thing. And when you have that, when when that's the culture, in 210 00:14:14,369 --> 00:14:18,149 whatever industry, you you always tend to devalue your own 211 00:14:18,599 --> 00:14:23,699 your own value. And add a friend of mine told me this a long time 212 00:14:23,699 --> 00:14:30,269 ago, is he said it like this. He said, when something was I was 213 00:14:30,269 --> 00:14:33,539 kind of talking along the same lines about you know, what to 214 00:14:33,539 --> 00:14:36,239 do. So that said, Well, I mean, that's not very valuable, or 215 00:14:36,239 --> 00:14:39,869 whatever the terminology I used. And he was like, you know, he 216 00:14:39,869 --> 00:14:44,999 said, You don't need to think that way. Because when things 217 00:14:45,359 --> 00:14:49,379 when you're really good at something, it feels easy to you. 218 00:14:50,489 --> 00:14:55,199 And that doesn't mean that it's not valuable to somebody else 219 00:14:55,199 --> 00:14:58,589 who can do it. Right. You make it look too easy, man. Yeah, 220 00:14:58,619 --> 00:15:01,859 well, that's the thing. It was like it A lot of people have 221 00:15:02,099 --> 00:15:06,059 when you have when you have certain skills, even if they 222 00:15:06,059 --> 00:15:08,579 may, that you've been doing for a long time, whether it's 223 00:15:08,579 --> 00:15:13,379 programming or sysadmin work or whatever it is that or marketing 224 00:15:13,379 --> 00:15:16,499 or anything like that, when you do them because you've been 225 00:15:16,499 --> 00:15:20,669 doing them for so long it, it doesn't feel difficult to you in 226 00:15:20,699 --> 00:15:26,759 and we we incorrectly as, as humans, we we still apply this 227 00:15:26,759 --> 00:15:33,359 labor value this labor. This was the labor idea of value. Right, 228 00:15:33,389 --> 00:15:37,379 right. Yeah. Where it's only valuable when it's hard. But 229 00:15:37,379 --> 00:15:40,559 that's not that's not the way it really works. I mean, we got 230 00:15:40,559 --> 00:15:42,599 away from that with Adam Smith A long time ago. 231 00:15:42,899 --> 00:15:45,779 Well, that's interesting. You say that it was it being an 232 00:15:45,779 --> 00:15:48,419 entertainment. Certainly when I growing up in the Netherlands, I 233 00:15:48,419 --> 00:15:52,619 was on television, very Calvinistic society. You know, 234 00:15:52,649 --> 00:15:56,519 people would come up to my face and say, unbelievable, you make 235 00:15:56,519 --> 00:15:59,369 this money. It's crazy. I mean, it's not a hard job. What the 236 00:15:59,369 --> 00:16:03,359 hell? Yeah. And by the way, I agreed. 237 00:16:03,899 --> 00:16:05,549 Yeah, this 238 00:16:05,550 --> 00:16:10,860 is crazy. But with with podcasts, with the system, we 239 00:16:10,860 --> 00:16:13,440 essentially and I like what you said about the market from a 240 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:18,150 market perspective, we set the value as zero, it's free to 241 00:16:18,150 --> 00:16:21,120 take, you can pick it right up, it's been that way for a long 242 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,600 time, pick it up, take it, take whatever you want. Now, should 243 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,840 you like it? Should you wish for it to continue. And I think 244 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:33,720 people have seen during the shutdowns, lock downs, that if 245 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,750 you don't support your local restaurant, your local store, 246 00:16:36,750 --> 00:16:41,100 your local grocer, etc. Certainly in times of trouble, 247 00:16:41,370 --> 00:16:46,140 they go away, they go away. And I know lots of people, ourselves 248 00:16:46,140 --> 00:16:49,050 included, who were doing whatever, we could support a 249 00:16:49,050 --> 00:16:52,080 local restaurant, even though it was takeout, you know, I left 250 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,900 him a tip equal to the booze we drink, you know, that kind of 251 00:16:54,900 --> 00:17:00,240 stuff. So that is a very humane way of dealing with each other. 252 00:17:00,450 --> 00:17:04,200 And perhaps it's, you know, without these without the 253 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:09,510 necessity for a trusted third party. When transferring value, 254 00:17:09,510 --> 00:17:12,000 certainly when it comes to you know, let's just call it money, 255 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:17,160 Bitcoin. I think the whole world would look a lot more like, like 256 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:21,330 a horse trading market. You know, it's like, yeah, this this 257 00:17:21,330 --> 00:17:23,820 No, not that. Okay. By best price. All right. Yeah, 258 00:17:23,910 --> 00:17:24,600 probably. 259 00:17:26,730 --> 00:17:30,450 Yeah, well, you know, we talked about what a couple shows ago, 260 00:17:30,450 --> 00:17:35,700 maybe that the, the number of people out there, there's some 261 00:17:35,700 --> 00:17:39,270 poll that I'd seen the number of people out there that want this, 262 00:17:39,270 --> 00:17:44,070 like, why do you podcast, and it was something like 47%, I can't 263 00:17:44,070 --> 00:17:47,790 remember the exact number of people are like, just basically 264 00:17:47,790 --> 00:17:50,610 for the hell of it. They they're not even trying to get denied 265 00:17:50,610 --> 00:17:54,450 trying to make money. Right. I think that plays into a lot of 266 00:17:54,450 --> 00:17:58,470 things. I mean, not just, you know, the lightning stuff, or 267 00:17:58,470 --> 00:18:01,380 any of that. I mean, that plays into a whole lot of what's going 268 00:18:01,380 --> 00:18:06,060 on in podcasting right now. And I sent you a clip. It actually 269 00:18:06,060 --> 00:18:08,640 plays into something we'll talk about later. But like, I think 270 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:14,220 that means that has a lot of ramifications for the podcast 271 00:18:14,220 --> 00:18:18,390 industry, it means that not only are people not obsessed with 272 00:18:18,390 --> 00:18:24,060 getting paid, but they're open to just any way of getting paid. 273 00:18:24,120 --> 00:18:27,390 I mean, like, yeah, you know, I mean, even like, if you're doing 274 00:18:27,390 --> 00:18:32,070 a podcast, I've heard so many podcasts now that we've got the 275 00:18:32,070 --> 00:18:34,800 index, and it's easy to just kind of hop in and out of stuff. 276 00:18:35,100 --> 00:18:39,360 I've heard so many podcasts now, where it's just, it's just a 277 00:18:39,360 --> 00:18:44,130 dude talking to us into his phone. And, like, it's so clear 278 00:18:44,130 --> 00:18:46,980 that they just don't, this person just doesn't care about 279 00:18:46,980 --> 00:18:50,070 the monetization aspect. They're not going to go sell ads, 280 00:18:50,820 --> 00:18:54,090 they're not gonna try to get a deal, and Brian's not doing 281 00:18:54,090 --> 00:18:59,550 that. But if that person can get, you know, 20 bucks a month 282 00:18:59,550 --> 00:19:02,400 worth of lightning payments, where they could cover their, 283 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:06,300 you know, blueberry hosting cost or whatever. I mean, that'd be 284 00:19:06,300 --> 00:19:09,570 great for them. And they'd set up a node, just get that, you 285 00:19:09,570 --> 00:19:13,500 know, it's not like as hard an entry entry point. So Well, I 286 00:19:13,500 --> 00:19:15,870 think it lowers that bar, that that difficulty? 287 00:19:15,990 --> 00:19:19,620 Well, what once once you have the river flowing, and I am 288 00:19:19,620 --> 00:19:23,550 hereby declaring it flowing, because I'm seeing it, then all 289 00:19:23,550 --> 00:19:27,690 it is is just multipliers. How do you make it more? I mean, I'm 290 00:19:27,690 --> 00:19:31,500 looking at the podcast index, and we're getting about three 291 00:19:31,500 --> 00:19:34,620 sets a minute, but it's continuously three sets of 292 00:19:34,620 --> 00:19:38,040 minutes. That's the 1% of whatever is flowing through. 293 00:19:39,180 --> 00:19:42,150 Right now only the Sphinx app and a couple of tribes. Now 294 00:19:42,180 --> 00:19:44,610 there's a lot of people boosting. There's a lot of over 295 00:19:44,610 --> 00:19:47,610 boosting. There's a lot of gratuitous boosting. I see you 296 00:19:47,610 --> 00:19:53,400 Paul and I boost myself from time to time in there, which is 297 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,230 illegal and illegal and 298 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,350 you can't do that. You'll go blind that way. 299 00:20:01,500 --> 00:20:06,960 But, but that even by itself, okay, well we can get into, 300 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,380 because, you know, my head goes crazy when I think of all the 301 00:20:10,380 --> 00:20:15,840 possibilities. You were going to take us yeah, at a talking about 302 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,390 Sphinx and how it all works and fits together. 303 00:20:18,869 --> 00:20:23,339 I just want to go from like, try to do this from start to finish. 304 00:20:23,339 --> 00:20:28,379 And it is, there's still confusion amongst even people 305 00:20:28,379 --> 00:20:32,519 who are, you know, Bitcoin people about what exactly is 306 00:20:32,519 --> 00:20:35,819 going on here. And let me just try to give it a rundown here. 307 00:20:35,819 --> 00:20:42,659 So from start to finish, you're a podcaster, you have, let's 308 00:20:42,659 --> 00:20:48,599 just say you have a Bitcoin podcast, you in your XML feed, 309 00:20:49,799 --> 00:20:55,319 for your podcast, you will put in the value element with value 310 00:20:55,319 --> 00:21:00,179 recipient in it. So it's in the simplest way, it is a value 311 00:21:00,629 --> 00:21:06,389 element. And inside of that is a value recipient element with the 312 00:21:06,959 --> 00:21:14,339 node key of your lightning node in it in a 100% value in the 313 00:21:14,339 --> 00:21:19,529 split. So you've basically declared, here's my net, here's 314 00:21:19,529 --> 00:21:22,859 my even declare to the world, here is my lightening public 315 00:21:22,859 --> 00:21:29,249 node key. And it's going to be in 100% of any donations that go 316 00:21:29,249 --> 00:21:34,049 to this podcast are going to go to that node, that lightning 317 00:21:34,049 --> 00:21:40,439 node key, we aggregate it, we aggregate the value block, along 318 00:21:40,439 --> 00:21:44,519 with everything else that we pull in when we when we do feed 319 00:21:44,519 --> 00:21:49,889 aggregation, we aggregate it, we store it, then when applications 320 00:21:52,199 --> 00:21:58,289 request your your feed information about your feed from 321 00:21:58,289 --> 00:22:01,649 the index, we hand them back along with everything else, we 322 00:22:01,649 --> 00:22:03,239 just hand them back the value block 323 00:22:04,650 --> 00:22:09,120 with the node ID in it. Okay, so that's the basic way. I mean, 324 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:10,050 it's very simple. 325 00:22:10,170 --> 00:22:13,470 You actually you actually tell that very much like Mr. Rogers, 326 00:22:13,470 --> 00:22:16,830 and it's quite nice to listen to keep going at that pace. I 327 00:22:16,830 --> 00:22:17,880 really do enjoy it. 328 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:23,430 I, you, I'm changing my shoes right now. So you may lose me. 329 00:22:25,770 --> 00:22:26,820 And I'm gonna bring out puppets. 330 00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:28,530 Sure, 331 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,340 yeah. Okay, so then that is finished. And it's just simple, 332 00:22:32,370 --> 00:22:35,730 straight, straight up there, you put it in your feet, and we hand 333 00:22:35,730 --> 00:22:41,070 it back to whatever apps asked for it. The only app currently 334 00:22:41,730 --> 00:22:47,850 that does anything with it, is thinks and what Sphinx, the 335 00:22:47,850 --> 00:22:54,270 Sphinx chat app does is you can create a tribe, once you're in 336 00:22:54,270 --> 00:22:57,540 Sphinx, you can create what's called a tribe, which is just 337 00:22:57,540 --> 00:23:01,980 think of it like a chat room, you can create a chatroom, which 338 00:23:01,980 --> 00:23:06,720 is called a tribe. And in the tribe settings, you specify your 339 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:14,100 podcast Feed URL. Okay, if you're a Sphinx user, you have a 340 00:23:14,100 --> 00:23:18,570 lightning node assigned to you. That's, that's the way things 341 00:23:18,570 --> 00:23:22,680 works, things works by layering chat services on top of 342 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,220 lightning notes. Okay, so what you have when you're listening 343 00:23:26,220 --> 00:23:31,590 to user is a lightning node that you that belongs to you. And you 344 00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:37,470 create a tribe and put your podcasts Feed URL in the tribe 345 00:23:37,470 --> 00:23:43,140 settings. And now, every time somebody joins your tribe, and 346 00:23:43,140 --> 00:23:49,260 listens to your podcast, using that tribe, the podcasting 347 00:23:49,260 --> 00:23:53,100 functionality, which will exist because you've now put your Feed 348 00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:58,740 URL in it, anytime somebody listens, it will begin to stream 349 00:23:58,740 --> 00:24:04,320 subsets to the public key that you listed in your XML at the 350 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,220 very beginning of this process. And the reason is because Sphinx 351 00:24:08,220 --> 00:24:13,110 chat uses the podcast index API to get that information. So you 352 00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:16,860 put the you put your Feed URL in the tribe, anytime somebody 353 00:24:16,860 --> 00:24:21,180 refreshes the tribe or enters it or whatever. Sphynx chat makes a 354 00:24:21,180 --> 00:24:26,340 request to the podcast and index API gets your value block keys 355 00:24:26,340 --> 00:24:33,120 there. And that way they know where to send sets. Is it I hope 356 00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:36,120 that makes sense. It's a very, the thing that makes it 357 00:24:36,150 --> 00:24:42,420 complicated to understand initially, is this thinks is 358 00:24:44,700 --> 00:24:48,180 there's a meta idea here within Sphinx that you're not the 359 00:24:48,180 --> 00:24:52,140 Sphinx is not itself, a direct podcast, player app that you're 360 00:24:52,140 --> 00:24:57,390 used to. Sphinx is a chat app who has that has layered 361 00:24:57,510 --> 00:25:01,620 podcasting into the tribe system. They have it's a 362 00:25:01,620 --> 00:25:04,980 beautiful way to do it. Because it's basically like a it's like 363 00:25:04,980 --> 00:25:05,940 a chat room. 364 00:25:06,329 --> 00:25:10,319 Oh, no, it's it's incredible what it delivers in extra 365 00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:13,109 functionality. It's a lot of fun. Yeah, it's just, 366 00:25:13,349 --> 00:25:16,679 it's just confusing initially, because you're like, where, 367 00:25:16,739 --> 00:25:20,639 what? What am I doing? I mean, like, it's just so foreign to 368 00:25:20,639 --> 00:25:23,219 what we're used to as a podcast. We're used to that what you've 369 00:25:23,219 --> 00:25:25,889 talked about before that inbox style podcast. Yeah. 370 00:25:25,980 --> 00:25:29,250 In fact, the way I view the tribes or the way I explain it 371 00:25:29,250 --> 00:25:34,470 to, to people who are just witnessing it, it's like a one 372 00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:40,680 show, App Player to one show podcast player. So a tribe is a 373 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,430 podcast player for one show, the one that you're interested in, 374 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,360 joining the tribe is like subscribing. And this 375 00:25:48,660 --> 00:25:52,140 subscription comes with a chat and all kinds of fun stuff you 376 00:25:52,140 --> 00:25:52,950 can do in that. 377 00:25:53,550 --> 00:25:55,710 Yeah. And great way to describe it. Yeah. 378 00:25:55,740 --> 00:25:58,890 And and what gets really interesting, I don't know, I 379 00:25:58,890 --> 00:26:02,670 mean, just for the stuff that's layered on top, is the way 380 00:26:02,670 --> 00:26:07,140 they've set it up, it's Sphinx chat, is you have the boost 381 00:26:07,140 --> 00:26:12,810 button, you can then you know, just throw 100 or more satoshis 382 00:26:13,020 --> 00:26:16,440 to the show. Now they've put to it their own internal logic in 383 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,160 that to flow that through the same value block and whatever's 384 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,010 in that block so that everyone gets a piece of that as well. So 385 00:26:23,010 --> 00:26:25,410 they're starting to layer on top of the layer already. It's 386 00:26:25,410 --> 00:26:26,490 really phenomenal. 387 00:26:28,260 --> 00:26:34,290 Yeah, I think the one thing that I saw that was African mentioned 388 00:26:34,290 --> 00:26:39,000 this, and may have been somebody in this Pink's tribe for Tales 389 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,500 from the Crypt, as somebody mentioned, and it kind of blew 390 00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:47,130 me away, I don't know if you thought of this before. Somebody 391 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:53,610 was like, hey, so there should be a value block. And they said 392 00:26:53,610 --> 00:26:57,240 something like, when is somebody going to use the value block to 393 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:03,420 fund a, like a multi part documentary? And it was like, 394 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,560 Okay, do a video podcast, not need an audit, take a video 395 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,880 podcast, and put the value block in the feed, and like, release 396 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:17,310 it as a cereal. And then you've got essentially got like, pay 397 00:27:17,340 --> 00:27:20,790 direct, it's like YouTube at that point. But it's like self, 398 00:27:21,180 --> 00:27:25,950 your no your self funding, or self publishing, your nominees 399 00:27:25,950 --> 00:27:28,410 are always well, producing. That's one thing, right? 400 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,920 Right. Well, we there's one piece that we skip, or that you 401 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,010 made that you simplified on purpose, and that is the value 402 00:27:35,010 --> 00:27:41,700 block gets. One. It's a percentage for each entry in 403 00:27:41,700 --> 00:27:46,740 that value block. So 100% is how you start with just your key. 404 00:27:47,460 --> 00:27:52,470 And then the index would like to add 1% to the index is key for 405 00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:56,100 processing this since we have no other business model. And we 406 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,920 except for the value for value, which we do need to thank some 407 00:27:58,920 --> 00:27:59,820 people in a moment. 408 00:28:01,079 --> 00:28:03,269 Lots of people, we get to work two weeks worth, 409 00:28:03,540 --> 00:28:07,680 so the app needs to get something and we've suggested 410 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,480 1%. And that's when the podcaster can start adding in 411 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,440 these other percentages. Just like you mentioned, for everyone 412 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,590 who participated in the documentary, or, you know, 413 00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:22,860 whatever, whatever you want it to be whatever you want it to be 414 00:28:22,860 --> 00:28:23,430 actually, 415 00:28:24,180 --> 00:28:26,610 you can have three, you can have the guy who's the who's the 416 00:28:26,610 --> 00:28:30,900 director, the person who's the, you know, maybe a couple of 417 00:28:30,900 --> 00:28:32,190 producers basically 418 00:28:32,190 --> 00:28:37,170 blowing up ASCAP, BMI, all the agencies, all the Performing 419 00:28:37,170 --> 00:28:39,720 Rights agencies, all the publishing company 420 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,100 infrastructure, it is truly that when you see digital money, that 421 00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:46,830 way, it gets exciting, man, holy, you could live, 422 00:28:46,949 --> 00:28:50,369 you could literally have 10 people in that split block all 423 00:28:50,369 --> 00:28:53,879 getting getting money and you don't the cool. Another cool 424 00:28:53,879 --> 00:28:57,869 thing is you don't have to split it up. We'll just get split by 425 00:28:57,869 --> 00:29:01,679 the app automatically. And so everybody just gets their 426 00:29:01,709 --> 00:29:07,469 assigned portion. Not to worry about like, asking for a check. 427 00:29:07,859 --> 00:29:10,379 Because you're just getting into right, like right now the other 428 00:29:10,379 --> 00:29:13,079 thing I thought it was cool, when in the along those lines 429 00:29:13,799 --> 00:29:18,359 was something like substack. I mean, there's no reason that 430 00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:22,079 this should that this has to be tied to just podcast feeds, you 431 00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:26,249 could easily put this in a generic RSS feed. And people 432 00:29:26,249 --> 00:29:28,799 just boost you know, you can have reader apps, then people 433 00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:31,019 just boost it inside feedback or whatever. 434 00:29:31,079 --> 00:29:32,339 So right. 435 00:29:33,030 --> 00:29:36,210 Yeah, I mean, like, what's, what's to keep Feedly and feed 436 00:29:36,210 --> 00:29:40,050 Ben and netnewswire from Dune for doing the same wallet? Oh, 437 00:29:40,079 --> 00:29:46,529 yeah. Yeah. And about that. And actually, you know, it's been, 438 00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:51,299 and I got Paul and particularly Paul, because we've had the most 439 00:29:51,299 --> 00:29:54,059 contact with him. But you know, and Evan, and there's a bunch of 440 00:29:54,059 --> 00:29:58,259 people over to Sphinx who have really been great partners, and 441 00:29:58,439 --> 00:30:01,679 that's we're just like, we just met And when we said let's do 442 00:30:01,679 --> 00:30:03,839 this together, and that's where we're at, we all have kind of 443 00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:07,049 the same goal in mind is to make all these things possible and 444 00:30:07,049 --> 00:30:14,879 push, push this independence further. Yeah. And then he 445 00:30:14,879 --> 00:30:18,209 deflated as he completely lost his train of thought. You may 446 00:30:18,209 --> 00:30:18,659 save you. 447 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,600 Please, eating, eating a chocolate biscuit rather, try 448 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,980 not to cough my brains out. This stuff gets so big, it just gets 449 00:30:28,980 --> 00:30:31,380 down in your ears down deep in you like, 450 00:30:31,470 --> 00:30:35,460 okay, so I know where I was going. I go. Thank you before I 451 00:30:35,460 --> 00:30:39,810 forget. So they've been so nice and so gracious with their 452 00:30:39,810 --> 00:30:45,690 contacts as well. And so next Thursday after the no agenda 453 00:30:45,690 --> 00:30:50,250 show, I'm going to speak at a Bitcoin meetup here in Austin, 454 00:30:50,250 --> 00:30:54,930 this. Ryan from lightning Labs is hosting that. That's cool. 455 00:30:54,990 --> 00:31:01,920 And Ryan has hooked me up with ROI from breeze. So I am excited 456 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,420 about that. Because from what Dave and I have seen, the breeze 457 00:31:06,780 --> 00:31:13,320 mobile wallet functions in a way that it can perform keys and 458 00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:16,200 outbound since it's it's a mobile wallet doesn't have a 459 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,070 watch tower or anything else. It's over that I know I'm not 460 00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:24,210 exactly sure how it works. But it certainly can't receive keys 461 00:31:24,210 --> 00:31:27,720 and at the moment, but unless they buffer that somewhere else, 462 00:31:28,260 --> 00:31:33,780 but as a as a way to bake lightening stuff into an app, 463 00:31:34,590 --> 00:31:37,260 they I think they pretty much already have everything you'd 464 00:31:37,260 --> 00:31:42,870 need. But I'm going to have a chat with him on Tuesday. And 465 00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:45,660 you know, maybe they'll create a reference app for us or 466 00:31:45,660 --> 00:31:50,130 something. I mean, I, I just am so excited about all this code 467 00:31:50,130 --> 00:31:52,650 laying around. And I know that if I just put those bits 468 00:31:52,650 --> 00:31:55,800 together and some people talk for a little bit I know, I know 469 00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:01,260 it would work I can see. Just code learn to code. What's your 470 00:32:01,260 --> 00:32:03,690 problem? People come on, learn to 471 00:32:05,460 --> 00:32:08,160 learn to code. Camp Free Code Camp. 472 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,880 That's my that's the that's my favorite asshole politician 473 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,530 thing to say. But learn to learn to code. Yeah, six, six months? 474 00:32:16,530 --> 00:32:20,070 Don't worry about it. You'll be great. Oh, yeah. That's how 475 00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:22,260 Yeah, it's not poly sigh. You know, it's, 476 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:29,100 it's more than nothing. If there's a reference app out 477 00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:34,290 there. Like, if there was like a skeleton app somewhere on 478 00:32:34,290 --> 00:32:38,160 GitHub, or wherever it needs to be. And that just kind of shows 479 00:32:38,430 --> 00:32:41,820 the basics of, Okay, here's how you like, here's a wallet. 480 00:32:41,850 --> 00:32:45,810 Here's a wallet and a podcast player app together in one. Just 481 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,380 like, okay, here you go to do this. That would be so, man, 482 00:32:49,380 --> 00:32:52,080 that would be so nice. Yeah, just have a great starting point 483 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,370 for people to just look at it. Because I think you agree with 484 00:32:56,370 --> 00:33:04,680 me. Like the podcast, it's easier for a podcasting. It will 485 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:09,030 make it easier for a lightning app to put in podcast 486 00:33:09,030 --> 00:33:13,470 functionality than it is for a podcast app to put in lightning 487 00:33:13,470 --> 00:33:16,410 functionality. Yeah, it seems that way to me. Yeah. 488 00:33:16,590 --> 00:33:20,670 From the from the current knowledge base. Yeah, probably. 489 00:33:21,570 --> 00:33:24,900 But the the overarching thing that's really nice here, and I 490 00:33:24,900 --> 00:33:29,400 think that we see it, and I'm sure that Paul sees it and Ryan, 491 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:36,150 and is that podcasting may just be that application that gets 492 00:33:36,150 --> 00:33:43,020 enough people into bitcoin. And just when not Bitcoin, 493 00:33:43,020 --> 00:33:46,110 specifically, but thinking about digital money, and how you how 494 00:33:46,110 --> 00:33:50,430 everything changes, because it's big. It's so big when you start 495 00:33:50,430 --> 00:33:52,830 to think about it. And exactly as you said, you know, the next 496 00:33:52,830 --> 00:33:56,640 step should be a sub stack. Now, there's already paywalls with 497 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:02,010 URLs that come that that some wallets have had baked in. But 498 00:34:02,010 --> 00:34:05,790 when you get something that people a podcast app is real 499 00:34:05,790 --> 00:34:08,850 personal, you know, and people get attached to it, and they 500 00:34:08,850 --> 00:34:13,260 like it. And and they have often have feedback loops with the 501 00:34:13,260 --> 00:34:16,950 developers, to you know, these relationships are going to 502 00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:22,140 create more software, more things that utilize this type of 503 00:34:22,140 --> 00:34:25,620 functionality. And because podcasting is pretty broad man's 504 00:34:25,620 --> 00:34:28,770 a lot of people, you, you get one more show online, you're 505 00:34:28,770 --> 00:34:32,880 bringing now maybe 100, maybe 1000, maybe 100,000 people, I 506 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,210 mean, it goes exponential at a certain point, and it markets 507 00:34:36,210 --> 00:34:41,460 itself, so we just need a few more kickstarts. And, you know, 508 00:34:41,460 --> 00:34:45,840 the I'm not sure when Sphinx is going full App Store. 509 00:34:47,339 --> 00:34:48,119 But have it soon. 510 00:34:48,359 --> 00:34:51,359 Yeah. And I and I hope that there's a way to position it. I 511 00:34:51,359 --> 00:34:54,239 mean, this is, you know, the onboarding is all that's we've 512 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,009 we've always said that can't be our problem. 513 00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:59,970 Yeah, it's it has to do that. 514 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,340 Yeah, but you know, we'll see. 515 00:35:03,060 --> 00:35:05,820 But what you're talking about and people's podcasting apps 516 00:35:05,820 --> 00:35:09,480 have been so personal. I was actually reading an article this 517 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:14,130 morning, it was saying, the title of the article is from is 518 00:35:14,130 --> 00:35:18,570 from back in December of last year. It says, you know, back 519 00:35:18,570 --> 00:35:22,920 when the world was normal, that is Spotify spent the title 520 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,280 Spotify spent a lot of money on podcast, podcasting, so it wants 521 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:27,660 you to start listening, please. 522 00:35:29,820 --> 00:35:31,380 Was that great? That's in the headline. 523 00:35:31,559 --> 00:35:32,579 Yeah, that's the headlines. 524 00:35:33,150 --> 00:35:34,080 Where was this? What 525 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,530 order would publication? I think it's from TechCrunch. Good one. 526 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,390 Yeah. So it says that basically, it's like, and I don't know 527 00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:46,710 whether they did this or what the deal is, but it says that 528 00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:49,860 they're gonna stick a button in there for people who have not 529 00:35:49,860 --> 00:35:53,790 used their you have not listened to a podcast and the app is 530 00:35:53,790 --> 00:35:57,210 basically like a says this week, Spotify is introducing a new 531 00:35:57,210 --> 00:36:01,440 button to help kick start the podcast habit is basically like, 532 00:36:01,860 --> 00:36:05,880 they the articles talking about how they spent all this money, 533 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:13,440 and it says 400 500 million spent on podcasting alone in 534 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:19,020 2019. Now, and they just haven't many people using the app to 535 00:36:19,020 --> 00:36:20,250 listen to podcasts. 536 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,660 Well, is this not something that I predicted? Oh, it is literally 537 00:36:24,660 --> 00:36:28,470 100%. And, and the proof is in the pudding with the megaphone 538 00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:33,510 purchase. And this is just my own analysis. So they have their 539 00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:36,480 streaming ad insertion technology, which works very 540 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,360 well when you're listening to a podcast and the Spotify app. 541 00:36:39,540 --> 00:36:43,020 And, you know, they can really jam something in there with 542 00:36:43,020 --> 00:36:49,110 laser precision on the fly, you know, split second to market 543 00:36:49,110 --> 00:36:54,150 based ad by insertion. They can't do that outside of 544 00:36:54,150 --> 00:37:00,360 Spotify. They have, however, gotten the entire advertising 545 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,420 industry all jacked up about how they are going to be the bomb 546 00:37:03,420 --> 00:37:06,810 diggity, and they can't deliver. And we saw the first signs of 547 00:37:06,810 --> 00:37:09,900 that when they when they put the Michelle Obama podcast outside 548 00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:14,910 of their hallowed halls and let every everyone suck it up. And 549 00:37:14,910 --> 00:37:19,230 now they have megaphone which does dynamic ad insertion 550 00:37:19,260 --> 00:37:23,850 outside of Spotify, and they need it, they need it to be able 551 00:37:23,850 --> 00:37:28,680 to sell the ads and that they arrogantly thought. And this is 552 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,310 beautiful, because this is hasn't been analyzed yet. In 553 00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:36,600 fact, it's really something that Daniel J. Lewis would probably 554 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,140 have some of the data on this. I don't think they can make it 555 00:37:40,140 --> 00:37:45,690 viable by just grabbing a slice of the podcast audience and the 556 00:37:45,690 --> 00:37:49,050 market share. And this is the power of apps. And oh, by the 557 00:37:49,050 --> 00:37:52,560 way, that's what they're coming for next. That's what they're 558 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,810 coming for next. Oh, yeah, they're coming for the apps. 559 00:37:55,410 --> 00:37:56,430 What do you mean? I mean, total, 560 00:37:56,430 --> 00:37:58,650 they're gonna buy the apps they're gonna buy because the 561 00:37:58,650 --> 00:38:01,320 apps is where the audience actually is. They thought the 562 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,960 audience was just with the podcaster. 563 00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:05,280 I say, yeah, 564 00:38:05,310 --> 00:38:09,240 now did they 10 million Joe Rogan listeners just grabbing a 565 00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:13,110 number they convert 8 million, we still have 2 million. That's 566 00:38:13,110 --> 00:38:14,700 a lot of people who are here. 567 00:38:15,690 --> 00:38:17,850 And people yet a lot of people who are not there. 568 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,950 So so you know, the if I were Spotify, I'd be talking to Marco 569 00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:23,550 right now. 570 00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:25,470 I'm sure they have. 571 00:38:25,499 --> 00:38:28,379 Yeah, that'd be talking to him. And I'd be saying we need to buy 572 00:38:28,379 --> 00:38:33,449 you. And, and I think he'll be the first to go. And 573 00:38:33,570 --> 00:38:35,910 are you sure? I don't know. He's these guys. 574 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,670 These guys are desperate. The guys are desperate, though. 575 00:38:39,630 --> 00:38:42,420 You think you think they'll throw 20 million at somebody? 576 00:38:42,450 --> 00:38:49,590 A lot? Yeah. A lot. Yeah. Marco has the audience. And and then 577 00:38:49,590 --> 00:38:53,040 he can incorporate the dynamic streaming stuff. And that's 578 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:58,170 fine. I'm very happy. A lot of people will like it. And I know 579 00:38:58,170 --> 00:39:02,280 that 10 years down the road, when it's become like am radio, 580 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,900 and you can't stand the the commercial interruptions. Tina's 581 00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:11,370 already complaining bitterly to me, she's, uh, Instagram, 582 00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:17,070 YouTube, Twitter. And, and, you know, she's your typical user, 583 00:39:17,070 --> 00:39:19,230 although she was a hell of a lot. I mean, she's walking 584 00:39:19,230 --> 00:39:21,330 around here, too. Hey, how many sets you know, she's walking 585 00:39:21,330 --> 00:39:26,040 around like she does and she knows what's going on. How many 586 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:31,050 SATs in a Bitcoin? Oh, yeah, I know this number. So she doesn't 587 00:39:31,050 --> 00:39:34,350 give herself enough credit for how technically evolve she is. 588 00:39:34,890 --> 00:39:37,470 But she doesn't have an ad blocker on her iPad. And you 589 00:39:37,470 --> 00:39:40,320 know, I don't know if she's ever even thought about it. 590 00:39:40,499 --> 00:39:43,589 So she gets the ads. I can't function without an ad blocker 591 00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:44,909 these days is awful, 592 00:39:44,970 --> 00:39:50,460 right? So she gets the ads. And now it's before the YouTube 593 00:39:50,460 --> 00:39:54,510 video starts is 15. Second one, you can't stop. You can't skip 594 00:39:54,510 --> 00:39:57,960 forward and there's at least two more than they have mid rolls. 595 00:39:58,020 --> 00:40:00,450 They have oversold. They literally don't Have the 596 00:40:00,450 --> 00:40:03,360 inventory so they're just, and they're gonna ruin it because 597 00:40:03,660 --> 00:40:06,570 they have to grow. They can't diminish. I mean, if they would 598 00:40:06,570 --> 00:40:09,630 stop D platforming people, maybe they wouldn't have this problem. 599 00:40:09,660 --> 00:40:13,230 I'm not sure in the grand scheme of things, how much it matters. 600 00:40:14,370 --> 00:40:15,360 It's gonna be 601 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,090 tough. It's gonna be tough for them to continue doing this. 602 00:40:18,090 --> 00:40:21,420 They're all look Google's already saying, Oh, you know 603 00:40:21,420 --> 00:40:25,290 that free photo thing? Yeah, you're gonna pay for that? 604 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:30,720 Well, I'm just a sysadmin. You're the you're the media. 605 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:37,590 Veteran. It does. Does that tell you that? I'm not trying to say 606 00:40:37,590 --> 00:40:43,920 this. Does. Let's see, Christopher I seen let me get 607 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:49,350 back into this other way. Chris, for icing in the mastodon it 608 00:40:49,350 --> 00:40:52,410 posted the other day, like a list of all the all the Spotify 609 00:40:52,410 --> 00:40:56,550 purchases. He's like, you know, 50 million for this 100 million 610 00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:59,010 for this tailor made for this is like the man He's like, man, 611 00:40:59,010 --> 00:41:04,320 they're just on a spree. Mm hmm. And have they gotten themselves 612 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,100 into a situation where they're having where they now have to 613 00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:12,120 spend money? Is this as a pyramid themselves to where they 614 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,240 have to spend more money to buy the next thing in order to make 615 00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:18,120 the previous thing they spent too much money on pay off? 616 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:23,820 Yeah, yes. So the answer is yes, their business model is not a 617 00:41:24,180 --> 00:41:30,660 profit making model. When you have to pay, regardless of your 618 00:41:30,660 --> 00:41:34,230 income, you have to pay the license holder for the content, 619 00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:41,370 you are using a fee. It's almost a no win situation, because the 620 00:41:41,370 --> 00:41:44,520 fees are never going to go down. They're only going to go up and 621 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:49,890 these will be renegotiated and the license holders, which is 622 00:41:50,220 --> 00:41:54,780 the ASCAP BMI, you know, the performing royal Performing 623 00:41:54,780 --> 00:41:57,420 Rights Organizations, they're bringing it in, and they're 624 00:41:57,450 --> 00:42:01,770 distributing it. But also a lot of this is done in direct deals 625 00:42:01,770 --> 00:42:06,090 with record labels. So they, they have Spotify, by the balls, 626 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:13,230 essentially. And Spotify has to monetize that. So, you know, if 627 00:42:13,260 --> 00:42:16,590 if someone's a monthly user, and they're just banging that stuff 628 00:42:16,590 --> 00:42:19,380 on four machines, at the same time, that's probably a revenue 629 00:42:19,380 --> 00:42:24,510 losing user. Most people on Spotify, have it for free, and 630 00:42:24,510 --> 00:42:27,960 then they get ads. And that's, you know, that's also a money, a 631 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,140 business where the revenue keeps dropping year over year, there's 632 00:42:31,140 --> 00:42:35,400 just a lot of, there's a lot of ads to be sold a lot of 633 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:40,380 inventory out there. So podcasting is beautiful, because 634 00:42:40,380 --> 00:42:43,680 they saw it in there in the typical corporate way. Here's 635 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,520 all this stuff for free. So we still take this stuff for free 636 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:53,550 and offer it with a player to our subscribers. And we can sell 637 00:42:53,550 --> 00:42:58,380 ads cost us nothing. If we don't have to sell ads still cost us 638 00:42:58,380 --> 00:43:01,410 nothing. We have a revenue generator, someone spent time on 639 00:43:01,410 --> 00:43:06,540 our site that cost us less, that is a win for them. So I think 640 00:43:06,540 --> 00:43:09,870 they arrogantly thought that they could convert the entire 641 00:43:10,740 --> 00:43:15,570 podcast that universe to using Spotify to listen to after all, 642 00:43:15,570 --> 00:43:19,800 they're number one in music. And it turns out, no, that's for the 643 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,220 same reason people don't use necessarily use the apple 644 00:43:23,220 --> 00:43:28,860 podcasting app. They want other features, different suggestions, 645 00:43:28,860 --> 00:43:31,320 selections, there's a whole plethora of reasons people who 646 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,440 are in the podcast business, and are in the business of 647 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,160 delivering a great experience to you. That's the podcast app 648 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,360 developers. Yeah. And and to just jump in and think, oh, we 649 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,210 can do this, where they've spent most of their time focus and 650 00:43:45,210 --> 00:43:49,260 resources on the streaming ad insertion side and the making 651 00:43:49,260 --> 00:43:52,650 advertisers happy side, they still have a curve? 652 00:43:53,790 --> 00:43:58,560 Well, you know, the thing about it is, I don't maybe they think 653 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,050 that they know something that Apple doesn't know, because 654 00:44:01,050 --> 00:44:05,430 Apple has been in this game for much longer than they have. And 655 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:11,220 they have, they have more of a lock on the podcast ecosystem 656 00:44:11,250 --> 00:44:16,260 than Spotify. And I don't know about if that's still applicable 657 00:44:16,260 --> 00:44:18,720 necessarily, I'd have to think about that for a while. But I 658 00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:22,770 mean, they've, they're essentially have cloned a lot of 659 00:44:22,770 --> 00:44:26,790 what Apple's the model was where they have, like, you know, they 660 00:44:26,820 --> 00:44:31,260 they're selling subscription music services, and they now try 661 00:44:31,260 --> 00:44:33,690 to have a dominant position in podcasting and that kind of 662 00:44:33,690 --> 00:44:36,900 thing. You have to think that they should have looked at Apple 663 00:44:36,900 --> 00:44:42,090 and said, Okay, well, apples had this podcast ecosystem and been 664 00:44:42,090 --> 00:44:45,180 a dominant player in it for many, many years, and they've 665 00:44:45,180 --> 00:44:49,410 never tried to monetize it. Right? Maybe that should tell us 666 00:44:49,410 --> 00:44:52,800 something. Maybe Maybe they know something we don't know, which 667 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:57,240 is trying to monetize that is going to be extremely difficult. 668 00:44:58,019 --> 00:45:02,789 Right? Well, Apple's core business. This model is having 669 00:45:02,789 --> 00:45:04,049 people pay for stuff. 670 00:45:05,339 --> 00:45:07,619 So they've never really gone the advertising route. They 671 00:45:07,619 --> 00:45:11,129 facilitated a lot of it. We'll see. But they did it in news 672 00:45:11,159 --> 00:45:13,739 like so like you have Apple news plus, which is a subscription 673 00:45:13,739 --> 00:45:17,789 service, but they've never, they've never, never mentioned 674 00:45:17,789 --> 00:45:21,239 anything about a subscription podcast service. No, and there 675 00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,569 is no, and that tells me that tells me that they they may see 676 00:45:24,569 --> 00:45:28,259 it as an as not a viable like, is not a winnable market. 677 00:45:28,619 --> 00:45:31,679 And I agree, I think it's not a winnable market, having run a 678 00:45:31,679 --> 00:45:38,069 podcast network. It's too much hassle, once you're responsible 679 00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:43,799 for people's experiences at that level, with things that are 680 00:45:43,799 --> 00:45:46,409 beyond your control, necessarily. Or if you have a 681 00:45:46,409 --> 00:45:50,039 large stable of programming, it's a nightmare. It's an 682 00:45:50,039 --> 00:45:53,819 absolute nightmare to manage. That's not the case, you can't 683 00:45:53,819 --> 00:45:57,719 even call customer service at Apple. Yeah, that doesn't exist. 684 00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,829 Same with Google. And Amazon actually understands that, but I 685 00:46:01,829 --> 00:46:04,889 don't think to understand broadcasting and audiences in 686 00:46:04,889 --> 00:46:08,879 that way necessarily. for Apple, I think there's, there's a 687 00:46:08,879 --> 00:46:16,829 couple directions they could go. One I thought of which would be 688 00:46:16,829 --> 00:46:21,389 a very typical typical corporate response, you know, because the 689 00:46:21,419 --> 00:46:29,249 iTunes namespace is universally used for indexing in many ways, 690 00:46:29,249 --> 00:46:32,009 although I think we're kind of off of that. But it's still used 691 00:46:32,009 --> 00:46:38,219 by most they could file one of those Silicon Valley lawsuits 692 00:46:38,219 --> 00:46:44,189 against Spotify, and anyone else using this to make money because 693 00:46:44,189 --> 00:46:47,729 that they do have a patent on that. So you know, because they 694 00:46:47,729 --> 00:46:51,539 had me in early, I consulted with them a little bit. And they 695 00:46:51,539 --> 00:46:53,879 created that and they put me they were very kindly put my 696 00:46:53,879 --> 00:46:57,299 name in the patent filings. And this is all prior art. And they 697 00:46:57,299 --> 00:47:04,169 only patented the, their own tags. And their own namespace. 698 00:47:04,169 --> 00:47:06,779 And I'm not exactly sure legally, if there was a 699 00:47:06,779 --> 00:47:11,069 copyright, I think it's a patent. But I'm not sure exactly 700 00:47:11,279 --> 00:47:15,239 what the legality is. So they could go that way. The person's 701 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:19,799 name personally, seeing that they mainly want to spell sell 702 00:47:20,249 --> 00:47:27,419 hardware and closely integrated software, I would say, an 703 00:47:27,419 --> 00:47:32,549 obvious way for them to go is to selfishly I'd say, support 704 00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:37,079 everything the other guys are doing namely us blow it open 705 00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:44,099 wide, NPR is dying. They really want season tags and a couple 706 00:47:44,099 --> 00:47:47,399 other things that we've been solidifying, that'll go into the 707 00:47:47,399 --> 00:47:54,329 namespace. Apple can support those. And just in support, you 708 00:47:54,329 --> 00:47:58,229 know, shoot us us as a buffer, you know, use us as a testing 709 00:47:58,229 --> 00:48:01,259 ground. I don't care. But we'll figure out what works. And then 710 00:48:01,289 --> 00:48:04,229 when it works, then you accept it. And then all of a sudden, 711 00:48:04,229 --> 00:48:08,429 everyone will be super happy. And stuff all the time. Yeah, 712 00:48:08,729 --> 00:48:12,029 exactly. No will break your app. Don't worry about Yeah, yeah, of 713 00:48:12,029 --> 00:48:15,719 course, promises, Promises, promises kept and delivered. 714 00:48:16,140 --> 00:48:19,800 Yeah, we push code to the left side, oh, cross your fingers. 715 00:48:20,220 --> 00:48:20,730 What the hell? 716 00:48:21,390 --> 00:48:28,350 But um, so and in that way. Apple is very dear to me. 717 00:48:28,350 --> 00:48:32,940 They've done this so well. They've been so kind and nice to 718 00:48:32,940 --> 00:48:37,410 the whole concept. That'll be great. And, you know, I don't 719 00:48:37,410 --> 00:48:39,150 know. I mean, I don't know what they're spending their money on. 720 00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,880 They may not have time to spend their money on this. 721 00:48:42,450 --> 00:48:46,410 Well, it just seems like and I still think they will do you 722 00:48:46,410 --> 00:48:49,410 know what, these days maybe do a podcast plus thing, which that's 723 00:48:49,410 --> 00:48:53,790 the thing is it? That's That's fine. I mean, no, but there's 724 00:48:53,790 --> 00:48:56,910 plenty of exclusive stuff on all kinds of platforms. That's not a 725 00:48:56,910 --> 00:49:00,360 problem. The problem I have is not with anybody doing exclusive 726 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:05,010 stuff is people try in this what is seems to be what Spotify is 727 00:49:05,010 --> 00:49:08,910 trying to do is people trying to come in and control the market. 728 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,220 The whole ecosystem. 729 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,540 Yeah, but they're going about it the wrong way. This is this is 730 00:49:15,540 --> 00:49:23,370 their fundamental mistake is that they think that that having 731 00:49:23,370 --> 00:49:28,920 one piece of content that that brings everybody else in that's 732 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,780 just been proven not to be true. 733 00:49:31,410 --> 00:49:32,220 Nobody cares. 734 00:49:32,490 --> 00:49:35,820 No, I mean, well, no, you're right. This there's too much 735 00:49:35,820 --> 00:49:37,230 choice. There's no 736 00:49:37,890 --> 00:49:41,070 choice. That's exactly why nobody cares. And this is and 737 00:49:41,070 --> 00:49:46,050 and this is this is an example from my life, and I think it 738 00:49:46,050 --> 00:49:55,590 applies to almost everybody. Okay, ma. I already have way too 739 00:49:55,590 --> 00:49:59,550 many podcasts subscriptions in my in my podcast app. Yeah, I 740 00:49:59,550 --> 00:50:02,670 can't listen. To them all on a weekly basis, I cannot listen 741 00:50:02,670 --> 00:50:08,700 to, you know, six hours of no agenda. And, you know, three, 742 00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:13,920 three hours of accidental tech, another hour and a half of the 743 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,260 incomparable I mean, I could just go on and on and on. I 744 00:50:16,260 --> 00:50:20,730 mean, I've got on a weekly basis, I've got 30 hours of 745 00:50:20,730 --> 00:50:24,210 programming this sitting on my bucket podcast player waiting 746 00:50:24,210 --> 00:50:27,630 for me to listen to, and I can't do it all. I mean, I got a 15 747 00:50:27,630 --> 00:50:30,630 minute commute to work. There's no way I can listen to all that. 748 00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:35,700 So if you drop an excuse, if you drop a new exclusive, that's who 749 00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:38,280 I mean, who even though he dropped, he dropped some new 750 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,860 person isn't exclusive on your platform. I just can't I don't 751 00:50:40,860 --> 00:50:43,440 care. Because I've already got too much stuff. I can't even 752 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:43,950 listen to you. 753 00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,870 It's not for Apple, I'm saying having run one. It's not worth 754 00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:52,260 the headache. You want to have meetings with the talent, you 755 00:50:52,260 --> 00:50:54,990 don't want to hear their gripes you don't want to eat? And 756 00:50:54,990 --> 00:50:59,610 conversely, no one wants to be in podcasts to be happy. Oh, 757 00:50:59,610 --> 00:51:01,950 okay. They bought my show or whatever. And you got some 758 00:51:01,950 --> 00:51:06,000 money, but it's not really gonna make you. I don't think it makes 759 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,650 anybody happy. Apple wants their users to be happy. They want 760 00:51:10,650 --> 00:51:14,790 people to have a great experiences. Yeah. And and they 761 00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:17,340 hide, you know, they started off the right way for them by 762 00:51:17,340 --> 00:51:24,120 highlighting NPR, a lot of the Public Radio Podcast, classy pie 763 00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,450 in production. You know, that's, I think that's kind of the brand 764 00:51:27,450 --> 00:51:29,400 that the apple podcast app got 765 00:51:29,820 --> 00:51:31,740 is a good marriage. Yeah. And they 766 00:51:31,740 --> 00:51:36,390 can continue that, you know, but don't don't let your supply dry 767 00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:40,080 up. Because you don't have the outlets. People want certain 768 00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:44,250 features. I'm not saying you got to put the lightning nodes into 769 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,830 your app, but wouldn't reject it. 770 00:51:47,370 --> 00:51:48,030 All right. Yeah. 771 00:51:49,710 --> 00:51:54,750 But just so you know, if possible, I think that would be 772 00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:59,340 a smart business move to keep up with the trends and not because 773 00:51:59,340 --> 00:52:02,730 these trends right now are being or were until we came along, you 774 00:52:02,730 --> 00:52:07,680 know, with a hold my beer strategy. Innovation was being 775 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:12,780 dictated for you know, for seven years by will Apple won't do it. 776 00:52:13,110 --> 00:52:16,380 And now for 10 years. Oh, Apple and Spotify won't do it. Don't 777 00:52:16,380 --> 00:52:21,360 let those douchebags dictate what you do apple. Yeah. Look, 778 00:52:21,390 --> 00:52:25,050 it's the developers on the outside brothers. They're the 779 00:52:25,050 --> 00:52:27,420 ones pushing your buttons, listen to them. 780 00:52:27,870 --> 00:52:29,940 Go. Did you get that clip? 781 00:52:30,450 --> 00:52:31,080 Yes, I did 782 00:52:32,490 --> 00:52:35,610 play that global future councils at the forum and convened on a 783 00:52:35,610 --> 00:52:38,970 number of topics from clean air to cryptocurrency and they draw 784 00:52:38,970 --> 00:52:41,520 from a wide network of thought leaders from academia, 785 00:52:41,550 --> 00:52:44,730 government, business and civil society. The United States 786 00:52:44,730 --> 00:52:47,850 global future Council is a group of foreign policy experts who 787 00:52:47,850 --> 00:52:50,910 have met throughout the past year to discuss the principles 788 00:52:50,910 --> 00:52:54,570 that might guide foreign policy over the next decade, I caught 789 00:52:54,570 --> 00:52:57,480 up with a few to learn how US foreign policy could shape the 790 00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,260 global recovery. And in this podcast, a few of their members 791 00:53:01,290 --> 00:53:04,170 give us a sampling of recommendations for how the US 792 00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,050 can deploy both its thought leadership and its resources for 793 00:53:07,050 --> 00:53:10,290 the global good. their thoughts go beyond the politics of the 794 00:53:10,290 --> 00:53:14,070 recent years, looking from a 50,000 foot view at what major 795 00:53:14,070 --> 00:53:18,390 principles will drive decision making in the years ahead. We 796 00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:22,650 have great opportunities if we're able to get away from 797 00:53:23,220 --> 00:53:27,180 kicked off Twitter, our own front yard, and focus a little 798 00:53:27,180 --> 00:53:30,960 bit on people who actually have needs. That's what the 799 00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,260 international community is about serving. Subscribe to the great 800 00:53:34,260 --> 00:53:37,800 reason and Spotify and wherever you get your favorite podcasts. 801 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,680 And please take a moment to rate and review us. I'm Linda 802 00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,560 leucaena from the World Economic Forum. And this is the great 803 00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,180 reset. Yes, I 804 00:53:45,180 --> 00:53:46,620 subscribe to this podcast, 805 00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,410 as you know, is your favorite pocket. 806 00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,160 top of the list. They're short, they're half hour. They're 807 00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:57,390 totally globalist. Yes, it's everyone speaks pretty well. You 808 00:53:57,390 --> 00:54:00,720 can chop it up, make clips and laugh with these suckers. It's a 809 00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:01,830 great podcast. 810 00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:08,610 It takes every buck so you're sure does that. Excuse me? Rona 811 00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,590 said that there's a couple of things in this clip that, uh, 812 00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:21,480 that light, which was the last one first is they said, Be sure 813 00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:26,820 and follow us on Spotify on Apple and Spotify. Yeah, you you 814 00:54:26,820 --> 00:54:31,440 go back five years ago, it was only apple. Mm hmm. Now 815 00:54:31,470 --> 00:54:37,380 everybody says apple and Spotify and sometimes they just say 816 00:54:37,380 --> 00:54:38,040 Spotify. 817 00:54:38,130 --> 00:54:38,880 Oh, really? 818 00:54:38,970 --> 00:54:44,850 Oh my god. If you go to the rip to the great reset website, 819 00:54:44,850 --> 00:54:51,210 which interestingly is hosted by Lipson. If you go to the great 820 00:54:51,210 --> 00:54:59,910 reset spot site, his podcast site, it says like up at the top 821 00:54:59,910 --> 00:55:06,360 you Have a like email yet three links, you got email us, RSS 822 00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:12,060 feed, and Spotify. Wow. Does your does your three, listen on 823 00:55:12,060 --> 00:55:15,750 Spotify, there's no apple. There's nothing up there except 824 00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:20,160 Spotify. They're the only private silo company up there. 825 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:26,010 So let me say that silo apples not really a silo. They're, 826 00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,070 they're not, they're not locking anything in So, but they're the 827 00:55:29,070 --> 00:55:30,330 only private company out there, 828 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,660 right? If you write his email has the raw feed, and then 829 00:55:33,660 --> 00:55:34,440 Spotify? 830 00:55:34,830 --> 00:55:38,910 Yeah. I wonder why. Now, I wonder why that is. I mean, I'm 831 00:55:38,910 --> 00:55:45,390 not gonna say there's, you know, a anything in this context? a 832 00:55:45,390 --> 00:55:48,510 conspiracy was I think that just may be maybe a default or 833 00:55:48,510 --> 00:55:51,510 something like that. But I think that it's it's very curious. 834 00:55:51,930 --> 00:55:57,120 That, to me, this Spotify, I guess just just through all the 835 00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:02,340 money they spent, they have put themselves in this dumb in this 836 00:56:02,340 --> 00:56:06,210 position this to be this monster in the podcasting space. But 837 00:56:06,210 --> 00:56:09,870 it's, it's obvious this, they're still struggling here. 838 00:56:10,590 --> 00:56:16,440 Yes. And and so I know that Spotify is a media company. So 839 00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:20,880 they have marketed themselves. They've spent significant money 840 00:56:20,940 --> 00:56:26,730 on chiclet campaigns and buttons and banners and all kinds of 841 00:56:26,730 --> 00:56:30,060 stuff. They do a lot of outreach. And they have the 842 00:56:30,060 --> 00:56:33,030 budget for it, because you know, they raised a lot of money in 843 00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:40,830 their IPO. And, you know, they have cash. But the writing is on 844 00:56:40,830 --> 00:56:44,160 the wall I I've been looking at some analysts and seeing if 845 00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:48,480 anyone can see what to me is clear as day is they are going 846 00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:55,140 to have a longer path converting their existing music users to 847 00:56:55,470 --> 00:56:59,100 adding podcasters a life or moving away from wherever they 848 00:56:59,130 --> 00:57:03,420 use their podcasts. Because even that, even though we've had 849 00:57:03,420 --> 00:57:06,660 these portability, ways to export your subscriptions into a 850 00:57:06,660 --> 00:57:13,230 different podcast app. It's it's not that easy. And this is a I 851 00:57:13,230 --> 00:57:15,630 think there's a there's a little bit of arrogance at play here. 852 00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:19,890 They did they did it all right. You know, they got the big. 853 00:57:20,850 --> 00:57:30,240 What's the the big consulting firm? Mackenzie? Mackenzie? No, 854 00:57:30,330 --> 00:57:33,330 yeah, they got me. Yeah, got McKenzie, there's a big report, 855 00:57:33,660 --> 00:57:37,260 which showed that this was a genius idea. And this is the way 856 00:57:37,260 --> 00:57:41,400 to go. You know, they they did the all the corporate stuff, 857 00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,640 right? they they they said it's going to cost a lot of money. 858 00:57:45,090 --> 00:57:48,450 They made the acquisitions that acquisitions, they promised. I'm 859 00:57:48,450 --> 00:57:51,150 not sure megaphone because they were dancing around megaphone 860 00:57:51,150 --> 00:57:55,320 for a while. I think that was to me, that was the move that 861 00:57:55,320 --> 00:58:00,480 showed, oh, yeah, we can't quite deliver it yet. We don't have 862 00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,500 the audience. So we might as well buy this piece. And as I 863 00:58:04,500 --> 00:58:08,790 said earlier, I'm quite confident that we'll look at 864 00:58:08,790 --> 00:58:13,860 acquiring some apps thinking that that's the audience and and 865 00:58:13,890 --> 00:58:19,050 that may very well be so that may be the way it goes to but I 866 00:58:19,050 --> 00:58:21,150 think you and I will always be on the outside. 867 00:58:22,590 --> 00:58:27,480 That's what pretty comprehensive comic strip bloggers on the on 868 00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:31,770 the mastodon was like, What if? Spotify buzz podcast index? And 869 00:58:31,770 --> 00:58:35,970 you said, What if podcast index? Exactly. 870 00:58:37,470 --> 00:58:39,090 Yeah, yes, yes. 871 00:58:39,090 --> 00:58:41,010 And I should go through their offices, start putting some 872 00:58:41,010 --> 00:58:47,190 posted notes on some of the gear there. My initials on it. As 873 00:58:48,270 --> 00:58:50,880 well, while you're coughing the lung out Dave maybe now is the 874 00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,000 time to thank people who have been supporting the entire 875 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,990 project to date before sat started streaming and flowing. 876 00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:02,460 This is the value for value model. This goes into podcast 877 00:59:02,460 --> 00:59:09,750 LLC, it supports all of the index 100% and we've had we 878 00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:12,240 didn't we weren't able to thank anyone on the last show since we 879 00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,060 had Tom and Kevin on from buzzsprout Have you heard from 880 00:59:15,060 --> 00:59:17,580 those guys recently, we scare the shit out of them and they 881 00:59:17,580 --> 00:59:20,400 don't want to talk to us anymore. It's been very quiet. 882 00:59:23,100 --> 00:59:26,580 They're just busy because we're like, like hey, this is a great 883 00:59:26,580 --> 00:59:31,950 talk. Let's talk about lightning. Seriously, oh crap. 884 00:59:31,980 --> 00:59:32,850 Okay, what 885 00:59:33,150 --> 00:59:36,090 was this and I would like to say that with all of the lightning 886 00:59:36,090 --> 00:59:41,130 talk looks like thanks to you. And of course thanks to help 887 00:59:41,130 --> 00:59:45,720 from Martin my feeds are getting all sorted out. And and and this 888 00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:50,280 show will be published with chapters and a transcript by 889 00:59:50,310 --> 00:59:54,480 which I like in the in the caption format. And even with 890 00:59:54,480 --> 01:00:01,050 the Peter from what Bitcoin did. T is so excited about All these 891 01:00:01,050 --> 01:00:04,770 features he said, Yeah, I can't wait, you know, for the 892 01:00:04,770 --> 01:00:08,670 streaming for the for the streaming sets, said, but 893 01:00:08,850 --> 01:00:12,900 chapter seasons Ah, this is exactly the stuff I've been 894 01:00:12,900 --> 01:00:17,430 waiting for. And yeah, you know, so as, as we drive forward, you 895 01:00:17,430 --> 01:00:21,000 know, we're still doing this in order, you know, and and even 896 01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,760 I'm getting into it now and I'm very excited to start, you know, 897 01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,120 getting people to help contribute to my chapters, and 898 01:00:27,330 --> 01:00:29,880 maybe doing some integration with no agenda show dotnet, 899 01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:33,270 which already has this kind of this functionality. So these 900 01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:37,260 things are super important. And, and this will drive a lot more 901 01:00:38,490 --> 01:00:44,670 value to app developers, just by I mean, gosh, this pod verse, I 902 01:00:44,670 --> 01:00:47,610 hadn't really played with that much, man, that's pretty damn 903 01:00:47,610 --> 01:00:48,300 complete. 904 01:00:48,810 --> 01:00:50,550 It's a great app. And, and, 905 01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,840 yeah, and pod Bay, is that also tied into the index? Are they 906 01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:59,520 not tied into the index? Yeah, they are. Yeah, it's another 907 01:00:59,850 --> 01:01:02,370 another fantastic weather app. 908 01:01:02,610 --> 01:01:08,550 The web apps are really bonkers. Yeah, they like if by us 909 01:01:08,550 --> 01:01:11,760 providing the Corps access so that they said that web apps 910 01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,640 function properly with the API that really helped a lot of 911 01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:19,350 people Ah, I mean, a cuz that I don't Well, I mean, there's 912 01:01:19,350 --> 01:01:24,180 really not I don't know how many other API's there are any way 913 01:01:24,180 --> 01:01:26,640 but I don't think there's there's much out there this 914 01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:30,840 Well, there's there's not any this free besides right. And but 915 01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,450 the other thing you know, just not have not been able to query 916 01:01:33,450 --> 01:01:36,630 it from a web app is killer. I mean, it's bright you can't we 917 01:01:36,630 --> 01:01:39,690 can't function that way. So we actually fixed a course problem 918 01:01:39,690 --> 01:01:43,410 yesterday. Oh, cool thing but yeah, I think I was having 919 01:01:43,410 --> 01:01:48,780 problems with the course. Course headers not being returned. When 920 01:01:49,650 --> 01:01:52,800 when there's a non 200 error message that should be Oh, I 921 01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:53,490 hate it. I hate 922 01:01:53,490 --> 01:01:57,000 it when that happens. Especially not 200 error Damn. 923 01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:03,000 Then that messes you up every time Okay, let's see. 924 01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:07,230 So we've received donations some of them are recurring at this 925 01:02:07,230 --> 01:02:10,470 point which keep our machines going which is highly 926 01:02:10,470 --> 01:02:14,940 appreciated and and we have a nice buffer to to keep moving 927 01:02:14,940 --> 01:02:19,860 forward. But the the work does not stop and look at all you get 928 01:02:19,890 --> 01:02:23,790 you get a mastodon server by the way. If you if you already are 929 01:02:23,790 --> 01:02:26,160 on a mastodon server, you can just follow us You don't have to 930 01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:30,360 join it can be at Adam at podcast index social and at Dave 931 01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:34,470 at podcast index that social and we're federated so you get all 932 01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:37,740 the other toots and bongs and everything. A 933 01:02:37,740 --> 01:02:40,890 full cast of characters and indexes. Yes. 934 01:02:40,890 --> 01:02:45,060 And and of course, no agenda social.com flows into that from 935 01:02:45,060 --> 01:02:48,090 time to time, which confuses me. I'm like, What are these guys 936 01:02:48,090 --> 01:02:50,820 doing on my timeline? Oh, yeah, it's federated. Now I get it 937 01:02:50,910 --> 01:02:52,890 throws me off every time crazy, 938 01:02:52,890 --> 01:02:56,550 isn't it? It's like, Oh, yeah, of course. And well, I Why do I 939 01:02:56,580 --> 01:03:01,590 because I'll reply on no agenda. And it'll it'll show up in my 940 01:03:02,580 --> 01:03:05,970 pockets index time. I'm like, how did that what side Am I on? 941 01:03:05,970 --> 01:03:07,080 Like, holy crap, man. 942 01:03:07,230 --> 01:03:10,200 Yeah, he does. He does face Joe is confusing. 943 01:03:13,110 --> 01:03:16,530 But you get that you get the podcast, you get the innovation, 944 01:03:16,530 --> 01:03:20,370 you get the love. And we're trying to put as much value out 945 01:03:20,370 --> 01:03:22,380 there as possible. So who do we have to thank Dave? 946 01:03:23,340 --> 01:03:29,340 We got Charles current. Who? Let's see, he gave us $5. And 947 01:03:30,150 --> 01:03:33,990 pay says PayPal refused my automatic payment this month. So 948 01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:36,090 I'm sending it manually. Thanks for all your hard work 949 01:03:36,090 --> 01:03:37,020 very much. Yeah. 950 01:03:37,530 --> 01:03:43,680 That is something to say is if if you papers bad to cancel 951 01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:44,760 automatic subscriptions, 952 01:03:44,970 --> 01:03:47,910 oh my god, and they'll and they'll say it was the show's 953 01:03:47,910 --> 01:03:50,940 fault. Yeah, no time. Yeah. 954 01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,660 So if you have an automatic subscription. If you don't mind 955 01:03:54,660 --> 01:03:56,580 checking it from time to time, just make sure it's still work. 956 01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,250 Like Wait, we've got a few automatic guys and I want to 957 01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:03,900 make sure Jeremy knew Cameron rose Mitch downy cold acid, 958 01:04:03,900 --> 01:04:08,940 Keith Gibson, David Norman, Derek Fisker, Soren, Miller, and 959 01:04:08,940 --> 01:04:13,440 Martin. And we've got a few anonymous. thank thank you guys. 960 01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,390 I want to make sure just because you're all around automatic 961 01:04:15,390 --> 01:04:18,450 subscriptions automate Sure. I don't miss thanking you guys 962 01:04:18,450 --> 01:04:20,370 from time to time. And 963 01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,400 yes, they really appreciate you. Thank you for keeping individual 964 01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,740 machines up and running. Absolutely. 965 01:04:25,770 --> 01:04:33,330 Yeah. See Scott? Scott jabber. He says they said the red button 966 01:04:33,330 --> 01:04:39,450 works. I didn't. I did not see a place to enter a note on paypal 967 01:04:39,450 --> 01:04:43,350 though. This is important work. And I love hearing what you all 968 01:04:43,350 --> 01:04:45,690 are doing with this project on the podcast. I wish I had some 969 01:04:45,690 --> 01:04:49,230 talent to donate but I'm a mere user. So I'm going to hang out 970 01:04:49,260 --> 01:04:52,920 on mastodon and see what's going on. Cool. I'd love to support a 971 01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:57,630 server at this level supports it. Thanks guys. And he says 972 01:04:57,630 --> 01:05:03,720 scotch Alber. The tea is silence A deck successfully. Yeah, yes 973 01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:08,640 Got you. You got you got our object storage bill. 974 01:05:09,450 --> 01:05:11,100 Oh nice. Oh yeah, you 975 01:05:11,100 --> 01:05:14,100 don't get a server you get the object storage that's where 976 01:05:14,340 --> 01:05:17,910 that's where all the backups are. That's critical function as 977 01:05:17,910 --> 01:05:21,240 critical functionality. Once one of these days when something 978 01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:28,080 goes down you're gonna pay for it to come back to life. Say Ben 979 01:05:28,350 --> 01:05:34,410 Benjamin Bellamy oh yeah from Casta pod. Ah love Benjamin $45 980 01:05:34,410 --> 01:05:38,700 and 70 cents and that's a cool number two says love great 981 01:05:38,700 --> 01:05:48,360 number. Yeah. Did it love from si si 457 o. p od aka Casta pot. 982 01:05:48,540 --> 01:05:49,860 Oh, lakes p 983 01:05:49,860 --> 01:05:51,150 o Thank you cast pod 984 01:05:52,260 --> 01:05:53,820 you guys are saving podcasting. 985 01:05:55,380 --> 01:05:56,760 We're working on it brother. 986 01:05:57,990 --> 01:06:06,510 Go back Yes. See, Paul love and he sent us 50 bucks. Love this 987 01:06:06,510 --> 01:06:10,200 concept looking forward to getting more involved sir daddy 988 01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:11,910 cast from dead cast rewind. 989 01:06:12,479 --> 01:06:15,089 He's been around for a long time. Nice to hear from him. 990 01:06:15,479 --> 01:06:17,939 Daddy cast Yes, 991 01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:18,570 exactly. 992 01:06:19,110 --> 01:06:19,590 All right. 993 01:06:21,510 --> 01:06:25,920 Now here's some This is there's some naming challenges this week 994 01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:32,250 because lots of international donors and it's gonna strangler 995 01:06:32,250 --> 01:06:38,550 Strobel here. Daniel Vesey check as soon as five bucks Thank you 996 01:06:38,550 --> 01:06:47,790 Daniel. See oh we get an automatic $1 $1 a month donation 997 01:06:47,790 --> 01:06:51,600 from Mark grant you make you know it's like oh you know one 998 01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:56,640 buck $1 a month no every all of this is absolutely 999 01:06:56,700 --> 01:07:03,390 absolutely and hey man you assign you assign the value that 1000 01:07:03,390 --> 01:07:08,130 for you is valuable so 100% take that is 100% valuable Thank you. 1001 01:07:08,370 --> 01:07:14,460 Yeah Nothing Nothing is scoffed at everything is appreciated as 1002 01:07:14,460 --> 01:07:14,880 much as we 1003 01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,940 say in the old country we had client in ear just throw the new 1004 01:07:17,940 --> 01:07:21,930 beard yeah got that he who does not honor the small is not 1005 01:07:21,930 --> 01:07:23,130 worthy of the large 1006 01:07:24,930 --> 01:07:29,220 like it Yeah, but this bringing it bringing the old world 1007 01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:30,750 I try. 1008 01:07:31,740 --> 01:07:33,900 Okay, now this is this is a good one. 1009 01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:37,020 Yeah, Eldar, 1010 01:07:38,340 --> 01:07:44,220 CAD, CAD de Burgh Eldar coup de Burgh off. 1011 01:07:44,850 --> 01:07:47,460 I think that's something Joe Biden said the other day. 1012 01:07:52,020 --> 01:07:52,800 confetti. 1013 01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:54,390 Yeah, exactly. 1014 01:07:55,710 --> 01:08:00,690 Okay, so he sent us $10 Hi, Adam and Dave. My name is yell dark 1015 01:08:00,690 --> 01:08:04,080 could have Burger King the burger ash? I can't 1016 01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:07,230 you want to spell it? I might be able to give it a shot. 1017 01:08:07,620 --> 01:08:14,400 KU di Excuse me? KUDAIBERG in a V. 1018 01:08:14,940 --> 01:08:20,730 Qu di bariga. An Avi. Could be better off code. I'd have to see 1019 01:08:20,730 --> 01:08:22,140 it. Was he from 1020 01:08:23,220 --> 01:08:24,090 Kazakhstan? 1021 01:08:24,510 --> 01:08:27,480 Oh, that would be the reason why neither of us can decode it. 1022 01:08:27,510 --> 01:08:27,990 Okay. 1023 01:08:28,500 --> 01:08:29,370 Well, yeah, it's 1024 01:08:29,370 --> 01:08:34,980 okay because he probably knows a hunter Biden. From his 1025 01:08:34,980 --> 01:08:36,360 Kazakhstan travels. 1026 01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:44,190 He's on the board if he's on the board of the podcast, hosting 1027 01:08:44,190 --> 01:08:49,680 company. I Adam and Dave My name is yell Dart, CUDA. Bergen off. 1028 01:08:50,190 --> 01:08:52,950 I am a podcaster from Kazakhstan. Very nice country 1029 01:08:52,980 --> 01:08:56,700 cool. At the moment, there are only about 100 podcasts and 1030 01:08:56,700 --> 01:09:00,120 kazakstan and your project helps me to properly develop 1031 01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,150 podcasting my country. Thank you for really developing 1032 01:09:03,150 --> 01:09:06,360 podcasting. I enjoy listening to podcasting 2.0 every week. 1033 01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:11,250 That's great. And I want to make sure that we get him lightning 1034 01:09:11,250 --> 01:09:14,160 enabled as soon as possible. there's a there's a side that 1035 01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:18,120 hasn't been exposed too much yet. In this realm clearly in 1036 01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:21,180 the podcasting room. I'll bet you that know a crapload about 1037 01:09:21,180 --> 01:09:22,440 Bitcoin though. So 1038 01:09:22,710 --> 01:09:25,710 yes, you can be very interesting. And you can do 1039 01:09:25,710 --> 01:09:29,190 something else for me Eldar, you said that there are he said in 1040 01:09:29,190 --> 01:09:31,560 your note at the moment there are about 100 podcasts in 1041 01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:35,280 Kazakhstan. If you know what those are, can you put them in a 1042 01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:38,040 list and send them to me just to make sure that we have them all? 1043 01:09:38,100 --> 01:09:44,040 Yeah, exactly. And I want to thank my gosh, I forget who all 1044 01:09:44,130 --> 01:09:48,090 those people are air quotes, who have been just delivering pile 1045 01:09:48,090 --> 01:09:51,270 after pile after pile of podcasts that aren't listed 1046 01:09:51,270 --> 01:09:55,170 anywhere that don't exist. They just in the ether, man, but this 1047 01:09:55,170 --> 01:09:58,710 some crazy stuff that people show up with. It's really cool. 1048 01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:02,430 Yeah, so Send us a list of 5000 Polish podcasts. 1049 01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,880 Right? I mean, and how many were dupes in the database? 1050 01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:09,540 I don't, I don't even know. It's only about a third of the way 1051 01:10:09,540 --> 01:10:13,770 done. When somebody gives us a whole ton of stuff, I have to 1052 01:10:13,770 --> 01:10:16,920 like trickle them out slow. Otherwise it takes forever to 1053 01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:20,820 like, catch up. Right. Right does that. I don't have the I 1054 01:10:20,820 --> 01:10:26,220 don't have the slick aggregator chops that like Mike Kelly does. 1055 01:10:26,370 --> 01:10:31,140 So my mic, I shouldn't say this about Mike Kelly. He's like a 1056 01:10:31,140 --> 01:10:37,650 database freakin wizard. And I have like half, half of unlike 1057 01:10:37,650 --> 01:10:41,880 half of he is who he is. So I really appreciate him jumping in 1058 01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:42,390 there and well, and 1059 01:10:42,750 --> 01:10:45,780 he's got a new name now. He's now machine gun. Mike Kelly, 1060 01:10:45,870 --> 01:10:50,640 Michigan like everybody machine gun, Mike Kelly here on the 1061 01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:51,240 index. 1062 01:10:52,710 --> 01:10:56,880 He's, he's offered a he's offered to help and in a couple 1063 01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:58,740 of different ways. The guy doing podcast images. 1064 01:10:59,010 --> 01:10:59,970 How's that coming along? 1065 01:11:00,540 --> 01:11:03,720 I have no idea. And I think he's been tied up with some stuff 1066 01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:08,160 too. But he's offered to help in 100 ways and right about the 1067 01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:11,040 time that I got that I got hit with the Rona. So I hadn't 1068 01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:15,060 really planned on catching back up with him because we need he's 1069 01:11:15,060 --> 01:11:17,250 always been involved since day one. Yeah, it 1070 01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,310 would be great if we can get the the images server set. 1071 01:11:20,940 --> 01:11:23,940 Yeah, yeah, I think I think he'll, he's gonna roll back 1072 01:11:23,940 --> 01:11:26,400 around to that at some so I gotta, I gotta call him on the 1073 01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:27,720 phone. I need to call him on the phone. 1074 01:11:27,900 --> 01:11:30,180 Oh, my God, how 1980's of you. 1075 01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:40,350 I'm gonna throw them on there. Now I wrote. Greg Thomas dabbled 1076 01:11:40,350 --> 01:11:42,330 in a $5 a month subscription. Thank 1077 01:11:42,330 --> 01:11:44,040 you, Dave. And Greg. Sorry. 1078 01:11:44,070 --> 01:11:46,740 Do you see that? Do you see that? segue? I 1079 01:11:46,740 --> 01:11:50,520 do. Yes. It was very slick. Nothing. You know, you're you're 1080 01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:54,390 a natural born podcaster. I've, I've recognized this. 1081 01:11:55,020 --> 01:11:55,620 I'm gonna bro. 1082 01:11:55,770 --> 01:11:59,220 Yeah, you you have all the chops? Maybe you grew up around 1083 01:11:59,310 --> 01:12:01,950 around Country radio. I can tell. Cuz you're 1084 01:12:03,330 --> 01:12:04,590 bcck Birmingham. 1085 01:12:05,790 --> 01:12:06,810 Let's see. Got it. 1086 01:12:08,190 --> 01:12:11,400 Greg Thomas gave us $5 a month. Thank you, Greg. And that is 1087 01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:15,060 that is good for the beta search server that I'm doing right now. 1088 01:12:15,390 --> 01:12:16,230 Oh, excellent. 1089 01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:21,120 Yeah. And we need support. Asian characters. 1090 01:12:21,150 --> 01:12:24,120 So we need a separate server for that. 1091 01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:30,480 Yeah, it's a it's like a whole different set of Unicode ranges 1092 01:12:30,480 --> 01:12:33,390 then and LA is not supported out of the box by default with our 1093 01:12:33,390 --> 01:12:37,380 search server so it's gonna be a little tricky to get it. Wow. 1094 01:12:37,740 --> 01:12:38,760 That is interesting. 1095 01:12:39,870 --> 01:12:43,770 All the little things you don't think about? It is it's a ton of 1096 01:12:43,770 --> 01:12:45,990 stuff like if you search in Japanese right now you get 1097 01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:51,240 nothing. Well, that's no good mean. Yeah, we got Deborah 1098 01:12:51,330 --> 01:12:57,240 Deborah Slav Slevin Scott Sullivan's coach. Is that Tony's 1099 01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:02,460 gonna be a train wreck? dub dub or slow Slevin? slovensko gave 1100 01:13:02,460 --> 01:13:03,060 us $5 1101 01:13:03,270 --> 01:13:06,330 Thank you. Yes. Thank you very much. I think I recognized the 1102 01:13:06,330 --> 01:13:07,860 name of the okay 1103 01:13:07,980 --> 01:13:09,960 then maybe I know it in a garden. 1104 01:13:10,110 --> 01:13:10,890 Yeah, I think so. 1105 01:13:12,780 --> 01:13:18,690 Okay, this is a good one. I like Leann Manzini, Leanne gave us 1106 01:13:18,690 --> 01:13:19,860 $100 change this 1107 01:13:19,860 --> 01:13:21,660 our first female donation can we 1108 01:13:23,250 --> 01:13:26,940 No, No, it didn't. No, no, no, this is the second female 1109 01:13:26,940 --> 01:13:27,480 donation 1110 01:13:27,630 --> 01:13:31,530 because the sausage fest over podcast index gotta stop people 1111 01:13:31,890 --> 01:13:34,560 is is not acceptable. 1112 01:13:34,590 --> 01:13:39,300 We need we we could seriously use of female energy about that 1113 01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:40,350 would be helpful. 1114 01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:47,460 Leanne Manzini gave us $100 She said she said that she heard 1115 01:13:47,460 --> 01:13:51,690 about the poquoson index from Todd at blueberry. Oh, cool. 1116 01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:55,440 During the spark Christian podcast conference. Oh, 1117 01:13:55,890 --> 01:14:00,690 evidently he mentioned the project and in what she said Is 1118 01:14:00,690 --> 01:14:03,180 he he asked people to donate money if they could. 1119 01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:04,530 Oh, that's so sweet. 1120 01:14:04,830 --> 01:14:06,930 Yeah, I really appreciate that. That is great. 1121 01:14:06,930 --> 01:14:10,110 Well, and it paid off. Thank you very much, Leanne. Thank you for 1122 01:14:10,110 --> 01:14:14,970 supporting us and and Ben, the future of podcasting. You know, 1123 01:14:14,970 --> 01:14:15,030 I 1124 01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:18,690 think there's, yeah, thankfully. And that's and I think there's 1125 01:14:18,690 --> 01:14:22,860 really some synergy there. Because just like I think we 1126 01:14:22,860 --> 01:14:27,330 talked about this a few weeks ago, the winds of censorship and 1127 01:14:27,330 --> 01:14:32,130 freedom, anti free speech. That stuff changes all the time. And 1128 01:14:32,190 --> 01:14:36,600 and it's a slow pendulum, but it does move. And I think there's a 1129 01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:41,340 lot of a lot of concern amongst religious circles now about belt 1130 01:14:41,340 --> 01:14:44,250 censorship, whereas it used to be, you get back 25 years it was 1131 01:14:44,250 --> 01:14:45,300 the exact opposite. 1132 01:14:45,719 --> 01:14:51,269 Well, yes. And again, the corona lockdowns prove that all kinds 1133 01:14:51,269 --> 01:14:55,349 of things can take place that may not even be constitutional. 1134 01:14:55,739 --> 01:15:00,899 So and that is that right to practice your Religion is in 1135 01:15:00,899 --> 01:15:04,979 fact in the same amendment about the freedom of speech. So it's 1136 01:15:04,979 --> 01:15:10,559 so the buttressing up against that. Yeah, absolutely. And in 1137 01:15:10,559 --> 01:15:13,709 Christianity in general is still persecuted so many countries 1138 01:15:13,709 --> 01:15:17,669 worldwide and dare I say the pope is even acting weird. 1139 01:15:20,460 --> 01:15:22,470 The Pope is acting weird. Yeah. 1140 01:15:23,910 --> 01:15:27,870 That's right. That's a marquee for you. Yeah. Right. That'll be 1141 01:15:27,870 --> 01:15:31,860 the clip. I'll make that as the soundbite for the soundbite. The 1142 01:15:31,860 --> 01:15:33,060 Pope is acting weird. 1143 01:15:34,860 --> 01:15:39,360 Donald Donald Winkler gave us $10. I could not find an open 1144 01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:48,840 dog. So thank you. Just Justin's Justin zeltser gave us $25 1145 01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:55,980 donation. Thank you, Justin. I found a note from him. He raised 1146 01:15:55,980 --> 01:16:01,020 raid. raid Jacobsen gave us $33 33 cents. 1147 01:16:01,050 --> 01:16:03,660 We know where he's coming from. Thank you very much, Ray. It's 1148 01:16:03,660 --> 01:16:04,380 appreciated. 1149 01:16:04,740 --> 01:16:08,250 He says in the morning from sir Ray. Yes, in the morning to use 1150 01:16:08,250 --> 01:16:12,180 her magic numbers always appreciated. And I mean, like, 1151 01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:15,570 the magic numbers are an overdrive with the lightning 1152 01:16:15,570 --> 01:16:18,090 stuff. And the like that is just off the chart. Isn't that 1153 01:16:18,090 --> 01:16:20,490 everybody? Everybody wants their? You know, everybody's got 1154 01:16:20,490 --> 01:16:22,230 their certain magic number sets? 1155 01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:27,240 for boosting? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I can even see streaming 1156 01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:30,390 a certain number SATs as well just identify myself. I mean, 1157 01:16:30,390 --> 01:16:33,150 there's gonna be all kinds of stuff you can put in that. But I 1158 01:16:33,150 --> 01:16:35,610 kind of like it. It's, it's fun to see what you know, I'm 1159 01:16:35,610 --> 01:16:40,500 looking at at the index side of it. But even on, you know, in 1160 01:16:40,500 --> 01:16:43,260 the Sphinx app, you just see, okay, clicks, and you can just 1161 01:16:43,260 --> 01:16:46,440 see who's listening. And it's very exciting. It's something so 1162 01:16:46,440 --> 01:16:51,060 exciting about seeing that value flow, it doesn't matter how big 1163 01:16:51,060 --> 01:16:53,670 or little it is, it's completely irrelevant. It could be you 1164 01:16:53,670 --> 01:16:55,050 know, jelly beans. 1165 01:16:56,400 --> 01:17:01,380 I love the I love the shaming that goes into people who do 1166 01:17:01,380 --> 01:17:01,710 Yeah. 1167 01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:04,230 What a week boost. 1168 01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:08,190 Somebody comes in a boost, like 20 sets. everybody's like, well, 1169 01:17:08,190 --> 01:17:09,180 I get that out of here. 1170 01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:16,380 But also, man, it's a very interesting dynamic. Sorry to 1171 01:17:16,380 --> 01:17:21,270 come back to this. But Tales from the Crypt has a 500 set 1172 01:17:21,300 --> 01:17:22,410 join fee. 1173 01:17:22,829 --> 01:17:24,989 And I know it's like 10 grand. 1174 01:17:25,020 --> 01:17:29,190 It's like 10,000 10,000. I literally sat there like, I 1175 01:17:29,190 --> 01:17:33,390 don't know, man. I don't know. Seriously, I'm like, that's a 1176 01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:33,990 buck. 1177 01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:38,730 And I'm in this like, of course, I want to be in it. And I see 1178 01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:42,090 messages like 150 SATs. I'm like, Oh my goodness, in that 1179 01:17:42,090 --> 01:17:46,650 many messages. Were talking about fractions of a penny. It's 1180 01:17:46,650 --> 01:17:48,990 an interesting dynamic that goes on in 1181 01:17:48,990 --> 01:17:52,710 your head. I saw that I saw the 10,000 entry fee on the tribe. 1182 01:17:52,710 --> 01:17:54,600 And I was like, I was like, Okay, well, let me check my 1183 01:17:54,600 --> 01:18:00,660 balance. I was like, wait, okay, I only have 27,000 sets in here. 1184 01:18:00,660 --> 01:18:01,830 That's like half of what I got. 1185 01:18:02,430 --> 01:18:07,860 But as, as Paul said, which I told him on steel free is so 1186 01:18:07,860 --> 01:18:11,250 expensive. That's what we've learned, you know, the free 1187 01:18:11,250 --> 01:18:14,730 stuff Silicon Valley that that what has been taken away from 1188 01:18:14,730 --> 01:18:19,770 what we've willingly given up is so expensive, compared to a 1189 01:18:19,770 --> 01:18:25,620 10,000 sat join fee. Yeah, it's really, just if you think about 1190 01:18:25,620 --> 01:18:29,340 it, your life will be richer overnight by stepping off of 1191 01:18:29,340 --> 01:18:31,500 those platforms and onto something like this. 1192 01:18:31,830 --> 01:18:34,920 And the FOMO of not being in the tales from the crib tribe got 1193 01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:35,490 me. I was like, of 1194 01:18:35,820 --> 01:18:38,730 course, of course. You gotta be in there. Yeah. 1195 01:18:38,969 --> 01:18:40,829 They get the icon the creep. Yeah. Could I 1196 01:18:40,830 --> 01:18:43,650 actually find myself like someone does it like a paid 1197 01:18:43,650 --> 01:18:47,070 graph to look at him like 50 cents? No, I'm not that 1198 01:18:47,070 --> 01:18:54,090 interested in the chat. You just hide it though. You shouldn't 1199 01:18:54,090 --> 01:18:56,940 have the big box enticingly. It's just saying message. You 1200 01:18:56,940 --> 01:18:59,760 know, whatever. And I know that big box looking at me. 1201 01:18:59,940 --> 01:19:05,820 Now Paul knows what he's doing. David Langford gave us 1202 01:19:05,940 --> 01:19:10,530 1234 $12 34 cents. Oh, beautiful. Thank you. Oh, and he 1203 01:19:10,530 --> 01:19:15,390 said that the reason? I have a note, okay. But no, he said that 1204 01:19:15,390 --> 01:19:18,180 the reason that he donated was because he heard us talking 1205 01:19:18,180 --> 01:19:22,710 about the jello and greencare. He's like, I'm 1206 01:19:22,710 --> 01:19:25,230 that guy. Yeah, we always have one or two. 1207 01:19:27,750 --> 01:19:33,390 Okay, this is a donation from bumstead media. And I don't, I 1208 01:19:33,390 --> 01:19:37,530 couldn't find a name so I'm just going to create it that way. But 1209 01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:42,630 he says he or she says when sermonaudio has the same episode 1210 01:19:42,630 --> 01:19:46,380 on multiple feeds, it's a way of organizing content. If a 1211 01:19:46,380 --> 01:19:50,160 listener is grieving, they may want to subscribe to an RSS feed 1212 01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:52,710 on the topic of grief with various pastors on the feed. 1213 01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:56,190 Other listeners may only want to subscribe to their own pastor, 1214 01:19:56,190 --> 01:19:59,460 this isn't spam. But there may be better ways to solve this 1215 01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:03,450 with any any Keep up the great work, you guys. You guys need to 1216 01:20:03,450 --> 01:20:07,080 buy podcast index.com before the price goes up, or before Spotify 1217 01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:08,280 buys it just a spiky 1218 01:20:09,089 --> 01:20:11,519 summit, someone clearly already has that. 1219 01:20:12,900 --> 01:20:13,740 That Okay, that. So 1220 01:20:13,770 --> 01:20:18,090 what I would just say to that in response is not necessarily a 1221 01:20:18,090 --> 01:20:22,080 function of the index. I mean, it will be very easy to. And I 1222 01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:27,090 say that in my non developer voice to create a Web Player 1223 01:20:27,450 --> 01:20:32,640 that focuses only on a certain category or is curated. All of 1224 01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:37,080 this can be can now be done. It doesn't have to be the you get 1225 01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,630 everything in this app. I mean, especially now with 1226 01:20:39,630 --> 01:20:40,470 pw A's. 1227 01:20:40,830 --> 01:20:46,320 Yes. And I am kind of waiting for the my grandmother's podcast 1228 01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:50,850 player I it's, I actually have Martin kind of pegged as the guy 1229 01:20:50,850 --> 01:20:54,180 who would pick that up when remote controls came out for 1230 01:20:54,180 --> 01:20:57,210 televisions and it's still that way today, the more advanced 1231 01:20:57,210 --> 01:21:01,410 ones. I think Sony was the first you could flip it over and had 1232 01:21:01,410 --> 01:21:03,780 what we call the granny interface and the big ass 1233 01:21:03,780 --> 01:21:05,820 buttons. You know, you can get the phone now 1234 01:21:05,820 --> 01:21:06,570 like jitterbug. 1235 01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,330 Yeah, the jitterbug? Exactly. You can get that phone with the 1236 01:21:09,330 --> 01:21:14,340 huge buttons. Yeah, you know, there's a whole market of people 1237 01:21:14,340 --> 01:21:22,320 who are 60 plus 65. Plus, gosh, I'm so close to that has ever 1238 01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:24,930 had to say but it's but the reason I say it is because 1239 01:21:24,930 --> 01:21:28,320 there's a generation that didn't quite grow up with the same 1240 01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:30,900 technology curve. And so they're a little behind a little 1241 01:21:30,900 --> 01:21:36,660 intimidated. And I think that's what I like. Because I look at 1242 01:21:36,660 --> 01:21:39,720 pod verse like holy crap, this got all the dials and buttons 1243 01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:42,300 and widget and bells and whistles. And look at pod 1244 01:21:42,300 --> 01:21:45,930 friend, and it's smiling at me. Oh, it's helping me find my 1245 01:21:45,930 --> 01:21:48,660 stuff. So you know, there's another version out there for 1246 01:21:48,900 --> 01:21:51,750 the seniors app. I'm sorry to put it that way. But that's the 1247 01:21:51,750 --> 01:21:55,650 truth. It's a market it's a huge market and you know, and then 1248 01:21:55,650 --> 01:21:57,300 put senior stuff in there. 1249 01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:02,250 Get no give don't give your grand mall quanta TV seen that 1250 01:22:02,250 --> 01:22:06,510 thing? Yes. little clip from Calais. Oh, my goodness. Clay 1251 01:22:06,510 --> 01:22:08,880 said he doesn't claim that he doesn't even know how it works. 1252 01:22:09,540 --> 01:22:13,770 It's like It's like like, oh, like a wiki pedia had sex with a 1253 01:22:13,770 --> 01:22:18,930 podcast player. And, and they and out came JSON glue. I'm not 1254 01:22:18,930 --> 01:22:23,010 quite sure what it is. It's crazy. It's got 1255 01:22:23,579 --> 01:22:26,219 blood in it. Like I don't know what that thing does. 1256 01:22:26,759 --> 01:22:30,689 It's like a Wolfram Alpha. You know, you got like, filters and 1257 01:22:30,689 --> 01:22:33,749 things flows is very interesting. It's 1258 01:22:34,169 --> 01:22:37,619 that's what used to happen when somebody is like, hey, I want to 1259 01:22:37,619 --> 01:22:40,169 use freedom controller and it's like, what what exactly does it 1260 01:22:40,169 --> 01:22:44,009 do? And I'm like, Yeah, all this. I'm like, just don't worry 1261 01:22:44,009 --> 01:22:44,369 about it. 1262 01:22:45,299 --> 01:22:48,719 Good point. That's probably the same experience people had 1263 01:22:48,719 --> 01:22:51,809 coming into view freedom controller like what does this 1264 01:22:51,809 --> 01:22:52,259 do? 1265 01:22:52,890 --> 01:22:55,710 Like? You know, if I have to explain it to you, then just 1266 01:22:55,710 --> 01:23:01,620 don't worry about it. Forget. Okay, last last, you got to help 1267 01:23:01,620 --> 01:23:04,140 me here. He actually sent 1268 01:23:05,100 --> 01:23:07,140 a Pronunciation Guide pronunciation. 1269 01:23:09,030 --> 01:23:10,980 Let's see here. This is 1270 01:23:13,050 --> 01:23:15,180 Alvarado mud. 1271 01:23:16,980 --> 01:23:22,440 I can't do spelling. I can't see this out. ARCA here See? He says 1272 01:23:22,470 --> 01:23:29,130 let me see if I can spell it phonetically. It is Munoz short 1273 01:23:29,130 --> 01:23:31,590 z. What is the short z 1274 01:23:31,829 --> 01:23:34,349 windows? windows instead of windows? 1275 01:23:35,009 --> 01:23:46,649 I don't know it's ay ay Quinn's AI as in AI letters. Or AI? And 1276 01:23:46,649 --> 01:23:56,159 then humans as in queue with a long s. ai ai man I got no idea. 1277 01:23:56,699 --> 01:24:00,839 It doesn't help. Yeah, cute. A Quinn's? What's this public key? 1278 01:24:00,870 --> 01:24:04,740 Just use that that's easier. might recognize and vice public? 1279 01:24:05,730 --> 01:24:10,560 Good. We got it. We got a donation from 032 cents. Oh, 1280 01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:13,080 thank you, Elvira. And I'm so sorry that I butchered your 1281 01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:15,660 name. I told him an email. I was like, I'm gonna butcher this. 1282 01:24:15,719 --> 01:24:18,299 Well. You set yourself up for that brother. Okay, I'm gonna 1283 01:24:18,299 --> 01:24:20,219 have to get involved with these names pretty soon. 1284 01:24:20,250 --> 01:24:24,090 Yeah, I know. I'm wrecking it. You're the language guy. I 1285 01:24:24,090 --> 01:24:27,030 know. I know. I don't have it in front of me. You know what we'll 1286 01:24:27,030 --> 01:24:28,410 do better. We'll be better. 1287 01:24:28,829 --> 01:24:31,499 Really excited. He says really excited about the vibe going 1288 01:24:31,499 --> 01:24:34,739 across the free podcast world to improve and protect podcasting 1289 01:24:34,739 --> 01:24:38,639 for us all. So here is some treasure for the index. On a 1290 01:24:38,639 --> 01:24:43,019 side note, I have to point out that we the weekly PCs 20 is 1291 01:24:43,019 --> 01:24:46,109 like a scrum of scrums in the Agile world but in a podcast 1292 01:24:46,109 --> 01:24:51,329 form the index is innovating on so many fronts. And understand 1293 01:24:51,329 --> 01:24:52,649 what Scrum of scrums is. 1294 01:24:53,039 --> 01:24:56,279 Well the scrum is if I understand Scrum is like a 1295 01:24:56,279 --> 01:25:00,719 technology department thing and then the boss They'll come in 1296 01:25:00,719 --> 01:25:03,719 and they say, Okay, we'll do a scrum and first we do a stand up 1297 01:25:03,719 --> 01:25:08,459 meeting. And, and then we and we go off and make some happen real 1298 01:25:08,459 --> 01:25:10,769 quick. And we come back and we talk about it. Something like 1299 01:25:10,769 --> 01:25:11,849 that. I think 1300 01:25:11,850 --> 01:25:15,720 I think so too. Yeah. it like a sprint or something. Yeah, they 1301 01:25:15,750 --> 01:25:16,320 strategy 1302 01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:18,930 agile development. Okay. 1303 01:25:18,990 --> 01:25:21,600 Yeah, that's what we are. Yeah, we're all about. 1304 01:25:22,710 --> 01:25:24,930 We're all about being agile. Yeah. 1305 01:25:25,170 --> 01:25:27,900 We had no idea what we're doing at the dump. And we're agile, we 1306 01:25:27,900 --> 01:25:28,530 are agile with it. 1307 01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:32,040 We are the antithesis of Silicon Valley programming and 1308 01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:32,790 development. 1309 01:25:33,270 --> 01:25:37,440 He is right though, because we are. We are spray week and we're 1310 01:25:37,500 --> 01:25:39,000 tackling a lot of stuff here. 1311 01:25:39,180 --> 01:25:40,770 Oh, well, this we rarely 1312 01:25:40,770 --> 01:25:44,430 talk. We do this once a week board meeting. Yeah, 1313 01:25:44,490 --> 01:25:45,480 that's exactly right. 1314 01:25:46,410 --> 01:25:47,640 He gave us $40 Thank 1315 01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:48,030 you. Wow. 1316 01:25:48,060 --> 01:25:51,570 Thank you. Yeah, that's it. That's what we got nice. 1317 01:25:51,630 --> 01:25:56,400 The value for value system very simple. Uh, were you the value 1318 01:25:56,400 --> 01:26:00,660 is right there on the index. We are providing all of this to 1319 01:26:00,690 --> 01:26:03,540 move podcasting forward to preserve it as a platform for 1320 01:26:03,540 --> 01:26:06,870 free speech. And we are in the process of retooling it as a 1321 01:26:06,870 --> 01:26:09,600 platform of value all of this taking place before your very 1322 01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:13,590 eyes, you can join in both the podcast index.org if you'd like 1323 01:26:13,590 --> 01:26:17,400 to support us, we accept time, talent and treasure the three 1324 01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:21,240 T's treasure is always appreciated. You'll see the big 1325 01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:24,030 red Donate button on that. And if you want to sign up as 1326 01:26:24,030 --> 01:26:27,270 developer there's a menu button and you can also anyone can join 1327 01:26:27,540 --> 01:26:30,630 the podcast index dot social. If you're already on mastodon you 1328 01:26:30,630 --> 01:26:33,330 can just follow Dave Right over there. And thank you very much 1329 01:26:33,330 --> 01:26:35,670 for supporting podcasting. 2.0 1330 01:26:36,450 --> 01:26:41,220 Yeah, this is there's no g English like podcast index.org 1331 01:26:41,220 --> 01:26:45,300 slash blah, blah. It's like this. I keep my my brain wants 1332 01:26:45,300 --> 01:26:45,720 there to be 1333 01:26:46,290 --> 01:26:49,350 like something to just shorten. Well, now that you said it, you 1334 01:26:49,350 --> 01:26:53,250 never know. stuff does come rolling in string like that. 1335 01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:58,770 Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad that that NPR is getting involved in 1336 01:26:58,770 --> 01:26:59,970 the namespace because Yeah, 1337 01:26:59,970 --> 01:27:03,330 I saw that what what's the what's her name? who showed up? 1338 01:27:03,690 --> 01:27:05,490 Stacy, Stacy's name? Yeah, 1339 01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:10,410 yeah, Stacy goers. She's popped in and said that they that 1340 01:27:10,410 --> 01:27:14,310 they've been needing some stuff for a while. And so I'm glad to 1341 01:27:14,310 --> 01:27:18,360 see. I'm glad to see some of that. Because there. We know, 1342 01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:24,300 there's need out there amongst a lot of a lot of players. And we 1343 01:27:24,300 --> 01:27:26,460 just want to make sure that there's voices there because 1344 01:27:26,460 --> 01:27:30,450 those those are those are important. Ultimately, the 1345 01:27:30,450 --> 01:27:34,950 namespace, you know, is going to encompass lots of things. Is it 1346 01:27:35,010 --> 01:27:38,370 at the beat this beginning phase, which will which will end 1347 01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:41,490 on the 15th? Which is what is that two days from now? Yeah. 1348 01:27:42,870 --> 01:27:46,740 But will we've already got lots of stuff wrapped up? I mean, 1349 01:27:46,740 --> 01:27:49,650 there's, there's phase one is pretty much 1350 01:27:49,830 --> 01:27:52,710 you want to just run down phase one quickly. So we know what's 1351 01:27:52,710 --> 01:27:55,770 in there. And then this will be locked in and deployable. Right? 1352 01:27:55,770 --> 01:27:56,580 That's the idea. 1353 01:27:57,060 --> 01:28:03,420 Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But we can get there too, to get her. Um, but 1354 01:28:03,420 --> 01:28:07,560 the whole, you know, in all do that first. And then we'll talk 1355 01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:11,280 about that other part. But the see the, what we get so far is 1356 01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:18,210 the lock tag, podcast locked me out, get transcript funding 1357 01:28:19,140 --> 01:28:23,310 chapters, a person and soundbite. 1358 01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:28,440 And first person, is that equals guests equals host, or is it 1359 01:28:28,440 --> 01:28:30,270 that does that not make it in that way? 1360 01:28:30,690 --> 01:28:34,440 Yeah, no, it, it is, we're gonna, that'll be the only tag 1361 01:28:34,440 --> 01:28:37,680 that we're going to have to talk about, because we may end up 1362 01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:43,170 having to punt that to two to two phases. Because yet, there's 1363 01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:48,570 there's just still talk going on. And, and, and things don't 1364 01:28:48,570 --> 01:28:52,170 need to be finalized. If they're still being talked about. Right? 1365 01:28:52,830 --> 01:28:55,680 We may end up putting that phase two, we'll just have to see, 1366 01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:59,340 however, how that rolls out after the 15th. Because what'll 1367 01:28:59,340 --> 01:29:02,130 happen is on the 15th, we will we'll we'll just say, okay, 1368 01:29:02,580 --> 01:29:07,050 phase one is closed. And here's the ones that are finalized, 1369 01:29:07,170 --> 01:29:10,860 which at this point, is everything but person, right? 1370 01:29:11,970 --> 01:29:15,630 And then all those will be good to go. And then we'll talk about 1371 01:29:15,780 --> 01:29:18,630 person and say, Well, yes, no, maybe blah, blah, blah. And 1372 01:29:18,630 --> 01:29:22,020 we'll we'll punt that if we need to. And then we'll start. We'll 1373 01:29:22,020 --> 01:29:24,630 start with phase two. And we'll set a closing date for it. And 1374 01:29:24,630 --> 01:29:28,560 we'll just work towards that. So I have a request we're doing 1375 01:29:28,590 --> 01:29:32,460 what we need is we need a page on podcast index, which lists 1376 01:29:33,030 --> 01:29:36,960 that I know we have something on the GitHub, which could flow 1377 01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:41,430 from that potentially, but we need a list of who's what you 1378 01:29:41,430 --> 01:29:45,630 can get for what so what apps, what hosting companies etc. who 1379 01:29:45,630 --> 01:29:49,980 are supporting what we're just gonna need it and especially for 1380 01:29:49,980 --> 01:29:54,150 the apps because now we don't really have a full list of all 1381 01:29:54,150 --> 01:29:57,150 the apps that have the features they support. That's something 1382 01:29:57,150 --> 01:30:01,200 that someone if you want to donate one of the First two T's 1383 01:30:01,350 --> 01:30:04,320 time talent treasure that will be fantastic if someone can 1384 01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:08,220 maintain that maintain a page, maintain which features work on 1385 01:30:08,220 --> 01:30:11,550 each one links, all that beautiful stuff. Same goes for 1386 01:30:11,550 --> 01:30:14,970 hosting companies have. I'm very impressed with the work 1387 01:30:14,970 --> 01:30:19,680 buzzsprout has done. Yes, that I've seen on their chapters and 1388 01:30:20,070 --> 01:30:24,240 their transcripts. And I've given them some feedback. And I 1389 01:30:24,240 --> 01:30:26,340 understand a little bit better now that how their process 1390 01:30:26,340 --> 01:30:30,030 works. And so they, they those guys are fast. They're just 1391 01:30:30,030 --> 01:30:33,330 gonna keep innovating Casta pod, I think supports everything at 1392 01:30:33,330 --> 01:30:33,960 this point. 1393 01:30:34,530 --> 01:30:39,450 I don't know about other hosting facilities. A lot of them have 1394 01:30:39,450 --> 01:30:44,820 implemented the lock tag, that's good. Blue blueberry is they 1395 01:30:44,820 --> 01:30:48,540 said that they just don't have a ton of development time to 1396 01:30:48,540 --> 01:30:51,480 spare. So they're prioritizing stuff right now. I think they're 1397 01:30:51,480 --> 01:30:53,910 just gonna, they're gonna hit. They're just going to hit them 1398 01:30:53,910 --> 01:30:55,830 as soon as they can as they get right list. 1399 01:30:55,860 --> 01:30:57,780 Okay, and then that's understood and 1400 01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:04,530 comprehended. Yeah, the, for anybody who wants to add a page 1401 01:31:04,530 --> 01:31:08,640 for the supported stuff, there's two, and I'm going to make this 1402 01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:13,830 a call out as well, because I want people to submit themselves 1403 01:31:13,860 --> 01:31:17,220 to the GitHub, if you look in the docs folder, the GitHub, 1404 01:31:17,220 --> 01:31:22,110 there's an element support file there. And anybody can do a pull 1405 01:31:22,110 --> 01:31:28,380 request, just add, add your either your app to it, or an app 1406 01:31:28,380 --> 01:31:32,160 that you know that functions to it. Ryan, there's, it's just a 1407 01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:36,900 list, it's a list of each of the tags, and which apps support it. 1408 01:31:37,230 --> 01:31:40,920 So please add yourself or somebody or some other app there 1409 01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:44,550 that, you know, you can add hosts their app, anybody that 1410 01:31:44,550 --> 01:31:48,630 supports a tag at any layer of this chain, put them in there. 1411 01:31:48,630 --> 01:31:55,560 And also the other part is the contributors. There's a 1412 01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:59,400 contributors dot txt file on the GitHub as well, if you if you've 1413 01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:04,530 even had one comment, on podcasts index, or social, or on 1414 01:32:04,530 --> 01:32:08,730 the GitHub, it at all, add yourself to contributors, 1415 01:32:08,940 --> 01:32:13,200 because everybody who has had comments and has spoken up about 1416 01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:17,130 anything, you are a contributor, stick yourself in the file, so 1417 01:32:17,130 --> 01:32:19,560 that you get recognized as because that's, that's 1418 01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:24,870 important. So anybody who wants to make like a page for the site 1419 01:32:24,870 --> 01:32:27,000 or something like that, to keep up with this stuff, okay. All 1420 01:32:27,270 --> 01:32:30,090 listed there. Yeah, it's all listed there. So you won't have 1421 01:32:30,090 --> 01:32:35,250 to go digging for stuff. It's just right there. But the one, 1422 01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:43,530 one thing about the namespace is that there's, I think we 1423 01:32:43,890 --> 01:32:48,450 mentioned we've touched on this before. There's the idea that 1424 01:32:48,540 --> 01:32:54,720 eventually, this is meant to be a self contained namespace. So 1425 01:32:55,710 --> 01:33:01,500 and what I mean by that is, the goal here is to have a podcast, 1426 01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:06,270 quote, unquote, namespace with everything neat that's needed 1427 01:33:06,270 --> 01:33:13,350 for podcast hosting. And that means that there is going to 1428 01:33:13,350 --> 01:33:17,670 come a point where we're going to start duplicating tags that 1429 01:33:17,670 --> 01:33:24,330 may be in other namespaces. Right. The what, what Stacy for 1430 01:33:24,330 --> 01:33:26,790 NPR was mentioning the other day, it was a perfect example of 1431 01:33:26,790 --> 01:33:30,930 this stomata season, season to actually what what they want is 1432 01:33:30,930 --> 01:33:35,700 the ability to have non numeric seasons so that you just don't 1433 01:33:35,700 --> 01:33:39,570 say, season one, season two, season three. Right, right. So 1434 01:33:39,570 --> 01:33:43,020 that you can have a season that's called 2020 election, 1435 01:33:43,289 --> 01:33:45,239 right? Yeah. 1436 01:33:46,110 --> 01:33:49,440 So a lot of these things that are going to be sort of like 1437 01:33:49,440 --> 01:33:53,010 expansions to existing tags within let's say, the iTunes 1438 01:33:53,010 --> 01:33:57,300 namespace or something like that is going to be a natural is 1439 01:33:57,300 --> 01:34:01,380 going to be a duplication. So they're not, they're not what we 1440 01:34:01,380 --> 01:34:04,470 started off with. And Phase One is, is the idea of trying to 1441 01:34:04,470 --> 01:34:11,130 address needs that weren't met. That pent up demand things like 1442 01:34:11,130 --> 01:34:16,230 transcripts, things like captions, and chat and chapters 1443 01:34:16,230 --> 01:34:19,800 and stuff like that. Those are things that are like they add 1444 01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:23,070 new functionality. And those are things that have that it felt 1445 01:34:23,070 --> 01:34:25,500 right to put in from the beginning because people wanted 1446 01:34:25,500 --> 01:34:30,690 them for a long time. And they also serves another purpose, 1447 01:34:30,690 --> 01:34:34,440 which is making the open podcast ecosystem putting it on a level 1448 01:34:34,440 --> 01:34:37,530 playing field or even going beyond what the silo people can 1449 01:34:37,530 --> 01:34:39,750 do with their functionality. 1450 01:34:39,780 --> 01:34:41,460 I like that the silo people 1451 01:34:42,419 --> 01:34:43,979 It sounds like a horror movie from the 1452 01:34:44,009 --> 01:34:45,839 Yes, yeah, it kind of is. 1453 01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:52,230 And so once we get some of that stuff taken care of and I 1454 01:34:52,230 --> 01:34:57,870 wouldn't, we really need to try to get this person tagged on 1455 01:34:58,140 --> 01:35:02,220 does I think that's important. Everybody wants it. We just got 1456 01:35:02,220 --> 01:35:08,580 to nail that thing down. So is four, and then location is 1457 01:35:08,580 --> 01:35:10,650 another one that's coming up in phase two. 1458 01:35:11,279 --> 01:35:13,289 Now the value block will be in phase two, I 1459 01:35:13,290 --> 01:35:18,810 presume it's in there. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know how much, 1460 01:35:19,110 --> 01:35:21,150 Paul, there's going to be about it, because a lot of people 1461 01:35:21,150 --> 01:35:24,600 probably won't really even understand enough about it. Know 1462 01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:25,410 how to comment on it. 1463 01:35:26,219 --> 01:35:27,719 Not much the comment really, 1464 01:35:28,379 --> 01:35:30,509 it just does what it does. Yeah, very straightforward. 1465 01:35:30,660 --> 01:35:36,090 I have two things. One for chapters. Anybody implementing 1466 01:35:36,090 --> 01:35:41,790 chapters, I'd like to stress how I love the idea of image URLs. 1467 01:35:43,470 --> 01:35:47,850 Because I'm starting to use this as a slideshow feature, in my 1468 01:35:47,850 --> 01:35:52,080 shows, really like that I can you hear someone talking about 1469 01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:55,980 something, and up pops a picture with an optional link to tap 1470 01:35:55,980 --> 01:36:00,570 through to whatever that website is. So I see that now is the 1471 01:36:00,570 --> 01:36:05,670 inverse of why I why I really disliked it is people tapping 1472 01:36:05,670 --> 01:36:09,990 into chapters to skip ahead. Now, it's something that may not 1473 01:36:09,990 --> 01:36:12,660 even have a link, you know, it's just it's it's an image that 1474 01:36:12,660 --> 01:36:15,180 goes along with the content. It's a little different use 1475 01:36:15,180 --> 01:36:21,540 case. From the how most people display chapters. So especially 1476 01:36:21,540 --> 01:36:24,480 for the app developers, I think there's a lot of opportunity 1477 01:36:24,510 --> 01:36:29,430 opportunity there. And I think it's very fun. The other day, 1478 01:36:29,460 --> 01:36:31,650 did you say opportunity? I like that. 1479 01:36:32,100 --> 01:36:32,970 Did I say that? 1480 01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:36,840 You almost did. I like I like the opportunity opportunity. 1481 01:36:37,860 --> 01:36:41,310 It's kind of like douchebag Silicon Valley thing, though, if 1482 01:36:41,310 --> 01:36:45,570 I said it that way. Like, I'll try to debate it. I'll try it at 1483 01:36:45,570 --> 01:36:50,070 Ryan's Bitcoin meetup. Here's an opportunity, everybody got a 1484 01:36:50,070 --> 01:36:52,470 great opportunity for the Bitcoin community. 1485 01:36:52,919 --> 01:36:54,269 keynote take sets back. 1486 01:36:57,390 --> 01:37:09,300 Okay, so chapters and captions, transcripts, my process and is 1487 01:37:09,300 --> 01:37:12,210 here's what I'd like. And here's what I'm doing. And here's what 1488 01:37:12,210 --> 01:37:16,230 parts are working in aren't working. I published my RSS feed 1489 01:37:16,230 --> 01:37:21,600 my file is up. It takes depending on which show, but it 1490 01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:24,780 takes a little bit of time to finish the transcripts, but I 1491 01:37:24,780 --> 01:37:27,630 want to get my show out. That's just my process. So I publish 1492 01:37:27,630 --> 01:37:32,100 everything. And I put it in dummy values or no values for 1493 01:37:32,100 --> 01:37:35,580 chapters and transcript. And then once the transcript is 1494 01:37:35,580 --> 01:37:39,720 done, then I add that to the feed, and I republish, I changed 1495 01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:46,230 the pub time, or pub date on the episode, and then just pray that 1496 01:37:46,230 --> 01:37:51,840 it works, then, and I hit the web pub sub thing, whatever I 1497 01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:57,150 pick that and I saw that after the fact the captions were 1498 01:37:57,150 --> 01:38:00,480 picked up by pod friend, which I consider a pod friend picks it 1499 01:38:00,480 --> 01:38:05,790 up, then we're in good shape chapters is very interesting 1500 01:38:05,790 --> 01:38:09,300 problem, because I kind of in every tool that's available 1501 01:38:09,300 --> 01:38:13,530 except for before I publish it, the show has to be online in 1502 01:38:13,530 --> 01:38:18,480 order to create the chapters. So chicken in the egg. So I so if I 1503 01:38:18,480 --> 01:38:22,890 were to use the pod friend tool, or or just do it manually or use 1504 01:38:22,890 --> 01:38:31,470 it internally with buzzsprout. After publishing, it doesn't get 1505 01:38:31,470 --> 01:38:34,530 picked up everywhere. And I don't know exactly what to do to 1506 01:38:34,530 --> 01:38:39,270 trigger it or let people who have already access the file. 1507 01:38:39,450 --> 01:38:45,180 When published without the updates to the URLs, I How is 1508 01:38:45,180 --> 01:38:49,530 that possible that I can say, you know, Hey, take another 1509 01:38:49,530 --> 01:38:52,530 look. Because now the chapters are working, or the chapter file 1510 01:38:52,530 --> 01:38:55,710 is there. It's just it's frustrating, because I don't 1511 01:38:55,710 --> 01:38:57,360 know how to how to make it happen. 1512 01:38:57,810 --> 01:39:05,430 So were you saying that? I posted this morning that the 1513 01:39:05,430 --> 01:39:10,740 chapters URLs don't 404? Yeah, it was and that's good. You and 1514 01:39:10,740 --> 01:39:14,760 you published it before the chapters file was there in order 1515 01:39:14,760 --> 01:39:21,390 to avoid that problem? Is that right? Like you put you publish 1516 01:39:21,420 --> 01:39:25,740 a file, you if you publish the feed item, if you publish the 1517 01:39:25,860 --> 01:39:26,820 podcast, the 1518 01:39:26,820 --> 01:39:29,820 files were empty the files were there, but the files were empty. 1519 01:39:30,750 --> 01:39:34,260 Okay, that that's to just make sure that the aggregator 1520 01:39:35,730 --> 01:39:39,300 is aware that it has the URL. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's what I 1521 01:39:39,300 --> 01:39:42,090 would that was my simpleton thinking. That's good. 1522 01:39:42,090 --> 01:39:43,620 Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. 1523 01:39:43,709 --> 01:39:47,639 Right. So how exactly is that the handoff to pod friend for 1524 01:39:47,639 --> 01:39:51,029 chapters, we hand off the URL or the actual JSON, 1525 01:39:51,990 --> 01:39:52,860 do URL 1526 01:39:52,950 --> 01:39:57,300 okay. So the for some, somehow I just have to let all these this 1527 01:39:57,300 --> 01:40:01,290 is always the problem. How do I Let the app know that I've 1528 01:40:01,290 --> 01:40:08,220 changed something significant in the item in my feed, that you 1529 01:40:08,220 --> 01:40:12,210 want to grab that without triggering a download of the of 1530 01:40:12,210 --> 01:40:14,340 the enclosure. Because we all know how to do that. 1531 01:40:15,570 --> 01:40:18,690 There's no universal way to do it that I know of like, for, you 1532 01:40:18,690 --> 01:40:19,530 know, for instance, 1533 01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:21,570 well, this is a horrible chicken in the egg. 1534 01:40:21,990 --> 01:40:22,680 It is Yeah. 1535 01:40:23,820 --> 01:40:28,680 Well, but you, but even if it's a 404, will the app pick up 1536 01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:34,020 those those URLs? Even if it throws a 404? Will that still be 1537 01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:37,200 in the in the database? What what gets surely would? 1538 01:40:37,230 --> 01:40:40,380 Yeah, I'm sure they would, we would we would pick it up? 1539 01:40:40,380 --> 01:40:43,410 Because I don't I don't check that it's a valid URL before I 1540 01:40:43,410 --> 01:40:47,400 just stored in the database. Okay. I think that's, that may 1541 01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:51,330 be a good way to do it. Because then probably what the app would 1542 01:40:51,330 --> 01:40:55,680 do is it's going to download is going to download the JSON at 1543 01:40:56,130 --> 01:40:59,310 when it when it gets ready to show it. And if it just gave it 1544 01:40:59,730 --> 01:41:01,620 before it just won't, it won't show anything. 1545 01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:06,780 Well, so here comes a fun, fun issue. So in order to so if I 1546 01:41:06,780 --> 01:41:11,880 use hyper catcher, which I like because hyper catcher, okay, 1547 01:41:11,940 --> 01:41:16,740 because hyper capture, allows for the community to use the app 1548 01:41:16,740 --> 01:41:20,760 and add chapters. And they have an there's an API that spits out 1549 01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:27,420 a JSON endpoint. But you can't create that JSON endpoint into 1550 01:41:27,870 --> 01:41:32,220 the file is published. But now now that I'm looking at it, I'm 1551 01:41:32,220 --> 01:41:35,970 looking at the URL, I think I can anticipate what the next 1552 01:41:35,970 --> 01:41:39,780 episode URL will be. Since I have a pretty strict naming 1553 01:41:39,780 --> 01:41:40,470 convention. 1554 01:41:42,450 --> 01:41:44,850 Now, are you referencing that URL or you? 1555 01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:48,090 Well, I've been referencing that URL? Yeah. 1556 01:41:48,570 --> 01:41:52,260 That seems that seems scary. Because you may end up 1557 01:41:52,920 --> 01:41:56,880 destroying David's web service with all those with all that 1558 01:41:56,880 --> 01:41:58,500 traffic. Yeah, 1559 01:41:58,530 --> 01:42:01,590 let's rewind the show an hour. That's what I do, brother. 1560 01:42:02,310 --> 01:42:02,790 Okay, 1561 01:42:02,850 --> 01:42:05,340 some people get up in the morning and make hit records. I 1562 01:42:05,340 --> 01:42:11,310 get up and I break your fucking code. I bring your servers down. 1563 01:42:11,460 --> 01:42:15,360 Hey, he's providing this as a feature a service to me. 1564 01:42:15,780 --> 01:42:22,530 There's 150,000 downloads. In 20 seconds. Here you go. Good luck. 1565 01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:25,590 He's about he's about to witness that. So buckle down. 1566 01:42:26,820 --> 01:42:31,680 Have fun. I mean, like, I don't know, any other way to do it. 1567 01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:34,920 And I think I think that probably should be a way to do 1568 01:42:34,920 --> 01:42:39,150 it. Yeah, and I think that should be in the thing, like, in 1569 01:42:39,150 --> 01:42:39,690 the thing, you 1570 01:42:39,690 --> 01:42:40,620 know, the thing. 1571 01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:44,700 I don't know what the hell I'm talking about, that that should 1572 01:42:44,700 --> 01:42:48,540 be in the docs for the for the namespaces. Like, okay, if the 1573 01:42:48,540 --> 01:42:53,190 thing is there, then just, but it's given a 404, or whatever, 1574 01:42:53,190 --> 01:42:57,180 or there should be some instruction about like, hey, it 1575 01:42:57,240 --> 01:43:03,990 for apps, you know, expect that this may not, you know, show up 1576 01:43:03,990 --> 01:43:07,920 and draw, you just fall back to non chapter functionality. If 1577 01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:11,790 that's the case. I'll write that up in the docs, just to make 1578 01:43:11,790 --> 01:43:15,060 sure that it's clear that because I think there's some of 1579 01:43:15,060 --> 01:43:19,710 these things, where it's like an image. It's like a podcast, man, 1580 01:43:19,710 --> 01:43:24,180 you can reference an image. And it may not show it may be a 404. 1581 01:43:24,180 --> 01:43:26,190 But if you fix it later, it'll show 1582 01:43:26,190 --> 01:43:26,490 up 1583 01:43:26,640 --> 01:43:30,780 if you show up. Yeah. I mean, because the aggregator can't 1584 01:43:30,780 --> 01:43:32,880 check all that stuff. I mean, oh, my God, that would slow 1585 01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:33,510 everything. Right. 1586 01:43:33,540 --> 01:43:36,780 Right. Right. Right. Okay. you've answered most of my 1587 01:43:36,780 --> 01:43:38,910 question. Thank you. I think it's important to add that in 1588 01:43:38,910 --> 01:43:43,440 there, because not everyone, laboriously puts in chapters and 1589 01:43:43,440 --> 01:43:48,300 works on it for hours and post processing and then publishes a 1590 01:43:48,300 --> 01:43:52,110 snappy Go, go, go go. And I make lots of mistakes, which is why I 1591 01:43:52,110 --> 01:43:56,730 like having community based tools. You You make mistakes, 1592 01:43:56,730 --> 01:43:58,680 I'll catch him. When I'm when I've had a coffee. 1593 01:43:59,100 --> 01:44:02,250 Has anybody done any community chapters for you, they have, 1594 01:44:02,670 --> 01:44:05,970 I prove I tweeted out twice, and a couple people came in did some 1595 01:44:05,970 --> 01:44:10,470 chapters. But we didn't really have an app to show them in yet. 1596 01:44:11,910 --> 01:44:15,630 And that's when I started breaking David's code left and 1597 01:44:15,630 --> 01:44:18,780 right. So budino just slowed it down a little bit than the than 1598 01:44:18,780 --> 01:44:21,990 the Sphinx guy showed up. So now I'm kind of circling back around 1599 01:44:21,990 --> 01:44:26,370 and I want to I want to be a big publisher using these features. 1600 01:44:26,370 --> 01:44:27,810 And I intend to do so 1601 01:44:28,410 --> 01:44:32,520 in the year intending to turn the node node agenda feed into 1602 01:44:32,520 --> 01:44:36,330 the testbed feed for for or not test but I mean into the into 1603 01:44:36,330 --> 01:44:40,350 the sandbox feed for for these new tags just because Oh, yeah. 1604 01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:46,830 Starting Sunday, was Sunday show I'm gonna I'm gonna promote. 1605 01:44:47,430 --> 01:44:50,820 I'll talk to David because I'd like to tell everybody to use 1606 01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:55,050 hyper capture. I wanted to be aware. Yeah. And let's, you 1607 01:44:55,050 --> 01:44:57,930 know, let's see what happens so that they can make some 1608 01:44:57,930 --> 01:45:01,800 community features the community chapters. Then they should just 1609 01:45:01,860 --> 01:45:04,410 I mean, I have to approve them. But I don't mind checking any, 1610 01:45:04,440 --> 01:45:07,050 any set up a notification system, which is very cool. 1611 01:45:08,130 --> 01:45:09,600 So with the email, so, 1612 01:45:09,870 --> 01:45:12,330 yeah, so that, you know, if something is changed, then you 1613 01:45:12,330 --> 01:45:15,270 know, oh, wait, because I didn't have three shows on there. And 1614 01:45:15,270 --> 01:45:17,970 so I don't have to check into every single one. It just oh, 1615 01:45:17,970 --> 01:45:21,480 this show this episode updated. And you can go in you can see 1616 01:45:21,480 --> 01:45:25,020 him You can approve them and let them go. Yeah, yeah. So that's, 1617 01:45:25,080 --> 01:45:27,360 that's how things get adopted. Man, this show, 1618 01:45:27,750 --> 01:45:30,690 you know, podcast addict. released. 1619 01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:33,630 Yeah, you should, it should be fully compliant. So yeah, yeah. 1620 01:45:33,660 --> 01:45:34,230 Yeah. 1621 01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:36,990 It's not beta anymore. So issue, you know that that's a good 1622 01:45:36,990 --> 01:45:39,660 testbed right there to pull the feed down. Excellent. 1623 01:45:40,650 --> 01:45:42,930 That's all coming. Anything else you got Dave? 1624 01:45:44,850 --> 01:45:48,960 No, no, I'm good. I think. I think we just have to finish up 1625 01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:53,640 these finished up some of these important tags. And I think, I 1626 01:45:53,640 --> 01:45:58,770 think we'll be good. And then we'll switch gears for we'll 1627 01:45:58,770 --> 01:46:02,190 switch gears at some point within the next month or so, 1628 01:46:02,550 --> 01:46:07,470 from from adding new pent up functionality to trying to 1629 01:46:07,530 --> 01:46:12,840 improve things that may already exist, but just weren't that 1630 01:46:12,840 --> 01:46:15,780 aren't meeting everybody's needs by the seas, like the seasons 1631 01:46:15,780 --> 01:46:18,570 stuff and everything. So hopefully, I think by the end of 1632 01:46:18,570 --> 01:46:23,550 the year, we'll have a good solid base to work from and we 1633 01:46:23,550 --> 01:46:26,970 can start trying to whittle away at some of these other things 1634 01:46:26,970 --> 01:46:30,120 like like NPR is talking about and I know if they're having 1635 01:46:30,120 --> 01:46:31,560 this problem now I'm sure this other 1636 01:46:31,560 --> 01:46:33,000 people having the problem. Yeah, 1637 01:46:33,150 --> 01:46:34,230 and yeah, hundred percent. 1638 01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:38,220 Another benefit to all this work is it keeps your mind off of 1639 01:46:38,580 --> 01:46:44,010 elections and other crazy crap. I find it very cathartic. Very, 1640 01:46:44,040 --> 01:46:46,830 very enjoyable. Dave, is there anything else I can get for you 1641 01:46:46,830 --> 01:46:51,360 anything that within my powers that can make happen? cough 1642 01:46:51,360 --> 01:46:55,350 drops, cough drops on the way, my friend, I love a lozenge. 1643 01:46:55,800 --> 01:46:58,710 Just a lozenge from time to time. Hey, Dave, thank you so 1644 01:46:58,710 --> 01:47:00,030 much, man. It's great catching up. Great 1645 01:47:00,030 --> 01:47:01,650 board meeting. Yeah, you too, man. 1646 01:47:01,740 --> 01:47:06,330 All right, and have yourself great weekend everybody else. We 1647 01:47:06,330 --> 01:47:09,330 are building the future of podcasting together podcasting. 1648 01:47:09,330 --> 01:47:12,000 2.0 we'll see you next Friday. Adios, everybody.