1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,000 Are you REALLY defending Ted Cruz? You know, he's you know, 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:07,140 he's anti Semite. Adam curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Sunday 3 00:00:07,140 --> 00:00:10,350 April 10 2016. time once again for your gizmo nation media 4 00:00:10,350 --> 00:00:12,600 assassination episode 815. 5 00:00:13,170 --> 00:00:15,120 This is no agenda. 6 00:00:15,900 --> 00:00:19,290 Second Nancy Kress and son but not gonna die yet and 7 00:00:19,290 --> 00:00:21,660 broadcasting live from the Capitol the Goldstar state of 8 00:00:21,660 --> 00:00:24,720 Austin de hostinger. Region six in the morning, everybody. I'm 9 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:25,380 Adam curry, 10 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,520 and from Northern Silicon Valley words grey, I'm John C. Dvorak. 11 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:31,710 Greg Levin Buzzkill. 12 00:00:33,210 --> 00:00:35,280 Grey he says it's great here 13 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,120 to me, C. Dvorak, where the C stands for grey. 14 00:00:39,300 --> 00:00:41,760 Oh, did you see that? And I was gonna hold on tell you about it 15 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:46,380 until later. But did you see you have a website? I do. You do. 16 00:00:46,980 --> 00:00:51,300 And that's actually for me. It's, it's called where the C 17 00:00:51,300 --> 00:00:55,560 stands. for.com Ah, to just hit that. And today where the C 18 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,640 stands for common bear cheese or you refresh, where the C stands 19 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:04,770 for shock a lot. Thank you. So this is such a good this is a 20 00:01:04,770 --> 00:01:11,280 gift. A gift from heaven. Do you see the site for you? Yeah. Do 21 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:15,780 you see the site like to know where the C stands? for.com 22 00:01:17,130 --> 00:01:25,770 is fantastic. Where c stands for and for and it is a city 23 00:01:25,770 --> 00:01:26,550 dweller. 24 00:01:26,580 --> 00:01:30,300 I guess that one has a cruel circumstellar mind. 25 00:01:31,199 --> 00:01:38,039 Contract hitman. As is great. Do we have a great audience or 26 00:01:38,039 --> 00:01:39,329 what? Yeah, we 27 00:01:39,330 --> 00:01:40,170 have a great audience. 28 00:01:40,530 --> 00:01:42,690 And they produce everything. Everything you'd want everything 29 00:01:42,690 --> 00:01:46,740 you dream of? Everything you dream of in like a big 30 00:01:46,740 --> 00:01:50,190 broadcasting organisation. Chile met? Yes. If only we could have 31 00:01:50,190 --> 00:01:53,460 something cool, like a website where the C stands. for.com. And 32 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,040 of course the IT department would say well, you know, we 33 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:00,000 have to register a domain name and we have to host them before 34 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,740 you notice six months later. 35 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:07,110 And you never get never get it. Now we just have it. Love that. 36 00:02:07,380 --> 00:02:12,360 Guys. This actually cuts is the red tape cutting machine. Right? 37 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:13,440 Yeah, yeah. 38 00:02:13,890 --> 00:02:14,490 What does that mean? 39 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,940 All these things crop up. This is funny. The red tape cutting 40 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,940 it right just when they nailed it. Where the C stands for 41 00:02:20,940 --> 00:02:23,070 chilli master daddy. 42 00:02:23,130 --> 00:02:26,280 I wonder if they can spike the results. If they can add little 43 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:26,760 things? 44 00:02:26,940 --> 00:02:30,300 I'm guessing they do or there was going to be getting chilly 45 00:02:30,300 --> 00:02:30,870 master. 46 00:02:31,650 --> 00:02:36,840 Hey, I went to a kind of semi robot thing. A certify Oh robot 47 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,840 semi robot thing? Yeah. Okay. That was Thursday after the 48 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:46,350 show. We were Tina and I have been invited to go and join a 49 00:02:46,350 --> 00:02:51,360 cocktail party for new new people who are new new to Austin 50 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,120 from New York and California. And this was at the house of the 51 00:02:54,120 --> 00:03:01,410 former New York banker and his wife here in Austin. Your buddy, 52 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:06,180 my buddy? Yeah. Do I of course immediately cornered him i i 53 00:03:06,180 --> 00:03:10,590 immediately cornered him. We were of course first night that 54 00:03:10,590 --> 00:03:11,760 he'd been first to the party. 55 00:03:11,790 --> 00:03:12,870 Are you one of those guys? 56 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,990 Usually not. I don't really like being first I'd like being I 57 00:03:15,990 --> 00:03:17,730 know. I hate it. Yeah, 58 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,000 the last job first and there's nobody there. And then you find 59 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,510 a hose. Yeah, hoses are busy over the checklist, you know, 60 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:25,980 try to talk to the 61 00:03:25,980 --> 00:03:29,670 catering, the talker to catering. If they're talking 62 00:03:29,670 --> 00:03:31,800 to somebody, and they're checking stuff off, and they 63 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,380 look up at you every once one then you trying to make small 64 00:03:34,380 --> 00:03:36,960 talk and then they don't really, 65 00:03:37,590 --> 00:03:39,750 you know, because they're they're waiting for everybody 66 00:03:39,750 --> 00:03:42,600 else. And then yeah, and but this one, but this 67 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,240 was the time that the party really gets going. You've been 68 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,490 there too long already. Yeah, we 69 00:03:47,490 --> 00:03:53,130 did leave on time. For sure. But it was it was rather interesting 70 00:03:53,130 --> 00:03:57,060 crowd I have to say. These are newbies newbies. Yeah. Three of 71 00:03:57,060 --> 00:04:00,390 them. Three newbies moved to Austin for startups. Right? 72 00:04:00,390 --> 00:04:03,390 Yeah, that would be like 100. No, no, I'm telling three of 73 00:04:03,390 --> 00:04:07,740 them there. There was probably some 25 people there. Do 74 00:04:07,740 --> 00:04:14,580 couples. Everybody with kids under 15. That's what I did each 75 00:04:14,580 --> 00:04:19,620 time they said, Yeah, we have three kids. How sad for you. 76 00:04:20,370 --> 00:04:24,300 Three startups. I counted three. The one even crazier than the 77 00:04:24,300 --> 00:04:31,380 next startup. Yeah, one is a see this is an end. There's no money 78 00:04:31,380 --> 00:04:33,150 in Austin. I don't understand why they're doing that. They're 79 00:04:33,150 --> 00:04:37,080 moving from California to New York, but California. Most of 80 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:41,040 the people. They come to Austin and they they there's a startup 81 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:42,870 and they're like yeah, we're looking for venture capital. 82 00:04:42,870 --> 00:04:48,930 Well, you're in the wrong state. Yet out. We didn't know money 83 00:04:48,930 --> 00:04:49,440 here. 84 00:04:49,470 --> 00:04:50,880 Bastards in Texas. 85 00:04:52,110 --> 00:04:54,000 They were looking for seed money. How much? $2 million. 86 00:04:55,410 --> 00:04:59,460 What do you value yourself out half and half a billion. So I 87 00:04:59,460 --> 00:05:01,950 had a lot of fun. But it was it was an interesting ideas one is 88 00:05:02,730 --> 00:05:06,930 I guess the because the the brand name manufacturers are 89 00:05:06,930 --> 00:05:09,450 losing out to the generics even though they're starting to own 90 00:05:09,450 --> 00:05:12,390 the generics at this point there's this kind of like a 91 00:05:12,390 --> 00:05:16,320 Groupon for brand pharmaceuticals and the way it 92 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:23,490 works is you get a coupon from this RX whatever their name is. 93 00:05:24,030 --> 00:05:28,350 And and that is exactly this for exactly the difference between 94 00:05:28,350 --> 00:05:31,650 the generic drug and the brand drug you give that to the 95 00:05:31,650 --> 00:05:36,960 doctor, and then you'll get the brand drug. And I said, I'm 96 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,200 really happy you're doing this I mean, this is great kids need 97 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,650 dependable drugs from their drug dealers. I'm just taking the 98 00:05:43,830 --> 00:05:45,600 piss out of him right there he's not getting it 99 00:05:50,970 --> 00:05:53,940 I can see you being just a terror so total a whole 100 00:05:54,450 --> 00:05:55,230 environment but 101 00:05:55,230 --> 00:05:56,040 here's here's the here's 102 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:01,440 that is a fascinating idea. All my life I've wanted exactly 103 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:01,860 this. 104 00:06:02,190 --> 00:06:04,860 You got better, you're better. So this is other other couple. 105 00:06:05,370 --> 00:06:09,150 And they're pitching an app. Which actually sounds like a 106 00:06:09,150 --> 00:06:13,380 pretty good idea. You know, it's a it's like a family intranet. I 107 00:06:13,380 --> 00:06:17,850 mean, I would shoot myself if I had to happen. I would shoot 108 00:06:17,850 --> 00:06:22,980 myself if I had to have that with my friends. But yeah, so 109 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,620 we're gonna pitch it to you to see you see what you think and 110 00:06:25,620 --> 00:06:28,890 I'm listening to this. And then I came up with a genius idea for 111 00:06:28,890 --> 00:06:31,980 them which just made me made me giggle I hope they do it to this 112 00:06:31,980 --> 00:06:35,490 is really great. You should you should integrate Bitcoin. So you 113 00:06:35,490 --> 00:06:38,400 can reward your children with Bitcoin through the app that 114 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:39,600 like yeah, that's a great idea 115 00:06:41,820 --> 00:06:43,890 Perfect, good terrible 116 00:06:44,070 --> 00:06:46,980 on their salary, their salary. Yeah, their salary their 117 00:06:46,980 --> 00:06:48,960 allowance give it to them through Bitcoin 118 00:06:50,250 --> 00:06:52,050 but allowed through Bitcoin 119 00:06:52,350 --> 00:06:58,980 Okay, things seen overheard. I saw bedazzled Birkenstocks. I 120 00:06:58,980 --> 00:07:03,690 kid you not. This was a variation stocks but dazzled 121 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:05,400 Birkenstocks. Wow. 122 00:07:06,510 --> 00:07:09,120 That's dynamite. I kinda think that's cool. 123 00:07:09,510 --> 00:07:13,380 It will. And Tina and I were like, three o'clock, 124 00:07:13,410 --> 00:07:17,430 Birkenstocks. And then as we were outside, waiting for Uber 125 00:07:17,430 --> 00:07:21,390 to pick us up, the girl with the Birkenstocks and her husband 126 00:07:21,390 --> 00:07:23,880 walked by, and they said, Hey, you guys get any weed? 127 00:07:25,980 --> 00:07:26,700 said that to you? 128 00:07:29,430 --> 00:07:32,220 No, that was really weird. 129 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,060 It was very it was bizarre. The whole thing was bizarre. 130 00:07:36,450 --> 00:07:39,300 Got any weed? Do you guys get any weed? 131 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,890 And then my favourite my favourite was from CES another 132 00:07:43,890 --> 00:07:44,370 couple are 133 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,320 trying to build the wall. Yeah. 134 00:07:47,580 --> 00:07:50,550 Well, we did it's called the Steiner ranch. We built a wall a 135 00:07:50,550 --> 00:07:53,040 wall around the Californians who come here we put them in Steiner 136 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,580 ranch. But the best the best line of the evening, which I'm 137 00:07:56,580 --> 00:08:00,930 going to use at the next cocktail party I'm at Yeah, you 138 00:08:00,930 --> 00:08:02,850 know, we're pretty new to Austin, but we're in between 139 00:08:02,850 --> 00:08:06,780 tear downs right now. Is that a cool thing to say or what? 140 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,530 We're in between tear downs? Yes. Because you 141 00:08:10,530 --> 00:08:13,200 know, you you when you want to build a house you buy land with 142 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,680 a house and you tear it down? It's a teardown but if you have 143 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,080 to tear downs I guess it's even cooler. 144 00:08:20,130 --> 00:08:21,570 In between tears 145 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:26,070 in between tears. I don't know but I'm gonna use it. I like it. 146 00:08:26,940 --> 00:08:29,700 I'm trying to figure out what it means. Yeah, I'm always doing 147 00:08:29,700 --> 00:08:32,880 one tear down over here and then I moved somewhere in the middle 148 00:08:32,910 --> 00:08:36,630 before I started now I don't even get it understand this is 149 00:08:36,630 --> 00:08:40,740 why we this is why I liked it so much. Like holy crap, what are 150 00:08:40,740 --> 00:08:43,740 they doing? But of course really the only reason and well besides 151 00:08:43,740 --> 00:08:46,470 it was nice to meet new people and there will be I think we 152 00:08:46,470 --> 00:08:50,130 were widening our Obama botnet this is good because we need to 153 00:08:50,130 --> 00:08:54,300 have more input from from the bots and bots have been very 154 00:08:54,330 --> 00:08:59,280 there was almost no we should grip lacks banks. After the past 155 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,070 couple of Obama bought reports, I get lists invites. I wonder 156 00:09:02,070 --> 00:09:09,900 why? Why wonder why. But I did. 157 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,830 This effort just went by it about three miles an hour. And 158 00:09:13,830 --> 00:09:17,820 then I was going I did of course talk to her at that speed. 159 00:09:18,300 --> 00:09:20,730 I did of course talk to the former New York banker about the 160 00:09:20,730 --> 00:09:21,720 Panama Papers. 161 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,680 Ah, yes, he was just as I wanted to dive want to get into that 162 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:28,320 because I have I have another thesis. Okay. 163 00:09:28,680 --> 00:09:34,800 Well, he was just as baffled as as I was. And he's done a lot of 164 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,380 these deals although he said he was doing the Argentinian deals, 165 00:09:37,380 --> 00:09:40,980 which makes it even more interesting who he is. I guess 166 00:09:40,980 --> 00:09:45,270 those were pretty fun deals. But nothing nothing through Panama 167 00:09:45,270 --> 00:09:48,660 but you know, I'd laid down the made off money he said that is 168 00:09:48,660 --> 00:09:52,680 definitely going to pop up. And that was your assumption made 169 00:09:52,680 --> 00:09:55,800 off. Money will will appear before before you get into your 170 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:59,190 report. I have a little lead in which can just get us in safely 171 00:09:59,190 --> 00:10:02,970 about the pen No more papers if that's okay with you. Oh, 172 00:10:03,510 --> 00:10:06,480 bad timing with tax day just around the corner IRS 173 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,590 headquarters in Washington DC shut down today after a fire 174 00:10:10,590 --> 00:10:18,180 breaks out there in the basement. The afternoon by a 175 00:10:18,180 --> 00:10:22,350 transformer about 2000 People 2000 People work in that IRS 176 00:10:22,350 --> 00:10:25,920 building, but many have left before the fire started. And so 177 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,740 there were no injuries. And don't worry about this affecting 178 00:10:28,740 --> 00:10:31,650 your refund because tax returns are not processed in that 179 00:10:31,650 --> 00:10:34,560 building. So what do they do in that building? I think not. 180 00:10:34,980 --> 00:10:40,140 So Panama papers come out big fire in the IRS building but 181 00:10:40,140 --> 00:10:46,440 also also a fire in the building in New York of the former made 182 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:52,350 off partner which also took out a whole whole wing of something 183 00:10:53,040 --> 00:11:01,290 related to Bernie Madoff. Hmm, just a coincidence. That was 740 184 00:11:01,290 --> 00:11:02,040 Park Avenue. 185 00:11:03,570 --> 00:11:10,080 Now if the couple things I uncovered, and I've heard this, 186 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:14,070 I think this is on the best coverage of this is on Deutsche 187 00:11:14,070 --> 00:11:18,570 li in France. 24. The European stuff right? And somebody 188 00:11:18,570 --> 00:11:22,980 mentioned that this operation fun, something fun sake, I can 189 00:11:22,980 --> 00:11:24,180 always remember the fun 190 00:11:24,180 --> 00:11:25,320 Saikat Yeah. 191 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:28,560 Yeah, why? 192 00:11:29,580 --> 00:11:34,170 Massoud Massoud, fun seca ism must suit Masak Masak. Phone 193 00:11:34,170 --> 00:11:37,650 sedative whatever it is most satisfied. Yeah. Most most folks 194 00:11:37,650 --> 00:11:39,720 Mossad, CIA how's that? 195 00:11:40,770 --> 00:11:43,950 They said that these guys aren't the biggest by any means. 196 00:11:43,950 --> 00:11:47,370 They're only in the top five. And when somebody says you're in 197 00:11:47,370 --> 00:11:50,670 the top five, that means they're number four or five. Yeah, yeah. 198 00:11:51,210 --> 00:11:55,410 Three bigger ones. So So have made off shows up in this 199 00:11:55,410 --> 00:11:59,490 operation, then, you know, this was targeted? Yeah. Because made 200 00:11:59,490 --> 00:12:00,540 us more likely to be 201 00:12:00,690 --> 00:12:03,660 in the top top two. Yes, yes. 202 00:12:04,860 --> 00:12:09,000 But so let's go there's a guy who so here's, here's a guy from 203 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:15,840 this is the this clip is called PP, as in Panama Papers, or PP. 204 00:12:17,010 --> 00:12:21,030 Treasure Island, guys, part one. This is the guy wrote a book on 205 00:12:21,030 --> 00:12:24,420 the subject out in 2012, called Treasure islands. 206 00:12:24,900 --> 00:12:28,050 Let's talk more now about the fallout of the Panama Papers, 207 00:12:28,050 --> 00:12:31,320 and Nicolas Shaxson literally wrote the book on tax havens. 208 00:12:31,380 --> 00:12:34,890 He's the author of the 2011 titled treasure islands. And now 209 00:12:34,890 --> 00:12:38,010 he's working with a Tax Justice Network, which works to uncover 210 00:12:38,010 --> 00:12:41,520 tax avoidance and tax evasion. Thank you very much indeed. 211 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,400 First of all, Nicolas, for being with us. Are you surprised to 212 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:50,460 see the widespread nature of the use of offshore companies in tax 213 00:12:50,460 --> 00:12:52,140 havens? Is this news to you? 214 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,190 Well, the actual contents are not but not so surprising to 215 00:12:56,190 --> 00:13:00,210 those of us who've been working in the industry, we have known a 216 00:13:00,210 --> 00:13:03,480 that Panama is a particularly nasty sleazy jurisdiction has 217 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,770 been for a long time. And be we you know, one of the messages 218 00:13:07,770 --> 00:13:11,640 we've been trying to put out is that this offshore system of tax 219 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,690 havens is much bigger than most people realise. It is widely 220 00:13:15,690 --> 00:13:18,870 regarded as a as an exotic Sideshow to the world economy, 221 00:13:18,870 --> 00:13:21,750 but it is, in fact really central to it. And I should also 222 00:13:21,750 --> 00:13:24,690 add that this is goes way beyond tax there's there's quite an 223 00:13:24,690 --> 00:13:27,540 obsession in the media with with the tax elements of this. I 224 00:13:27,540 --> 00:13:31,680 think the Panama story is more about wealthy people hiding 225 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:34,980 money. It is sometimes for tax reasons, but it is also 226 00:13:34,980 --> 00:13:40,230 sometimes probably more often hiding it because there is some 227 00:13:40,260 --> 00:13:42,690 something dubious about the money itself, maybe they stole 228 00:13:42,690 --> 00:13:47,070 it or obtained it through nefarious means. It's not just 229 00:13:47,070 --> 00:13:50,400 money, it's assets. It can be, you know, apartments and, and 230 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,320 real estate and all sorts of stuff. But 231 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,080 just to be clear, Nicholas, just because you're setting of up an 232 00:13:55,110 --> 00:13:58,470 offshore company doesn't necessarily mean that you're 233 00:13:58,470 --> 00:14:00,510 dodging taxes. That's what you say? 234 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:06,060 Well, that's one aspect of it. And I do want to stress that 235 00:14:06,060 --> 00:14:09,930 this is not just that this is much, much bigger than tax. I 236 00:14:09,930 --> 00:14:12,750 think the question is, you know, if you're setting up an offshore 237 00:14:12,750 --> 00:14:15,330 company, does that mean you're doing something illegal? No, not 238 00:14:15,330 --> 00:14:18,990 from not from first principles. But in this particular case, 239 00:14:19,260 --> 00:14:23,040 Panama has been known as a very, to those of us working in this 240 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,460 area. Among tax havens. It is one of the sleaziest 241 00:14:26,460 --> 00:14:29,220 jurisdictions, it has been prepared to accept all sorts of 242 00:14:29,220 --> 00:14:32,760 really nasty stuff that other tax havens wouldn't touch. So if 243 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:37,080 you are using a Panamanian law firm and setting up a company in 244 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:41,310 Panama, or using using Panama, somehow that is ultimately going 245 00:14:41,310 --> 00:14:44,010 to raise a red flag. Why would you go for Panama? Why would you 246 00:14:44,010 --> 00:14:46,950 go for a Panamanian law firm, when you could there are so many 247 00:14:46,950 --> 00:14:50,340 other alternatives available and so that should raise some 248 00:14:50,340 --> 00:14:52,170 serious suspicions from the word go. 249 00:14:54,210 --> 00:14:55,260 Okay, 250 00:14:55,890 --> 00:15:00,180 now, a couple of things in here. We discover that panel was 251 00:15:00,180 --> 00:15:02,280 sleazy and that's important to know. I don't like 252 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:06,570 to sleazy word he's using a lot of it's not really an adjective 253 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:07,560 that helps us. 254 00:15:07,890 --> 00:15:11,850 The thing that also stood out to me was the this is not a 255 00:15:11,850 --> 00:15:15,570 sideshow, this is the world economy. Yeah. And it was 256 00:15:15,900 --> 00:15:17,520 drugs, drugs 257 00:15:18,330 --> 00:15:22,530 involved, obviously, stuff. But this is the world economy. And 258 00:15:22,590 --> 00:15:25,740 yes, but your thesis is definitely drugs. So I'm 259 00:15:25,740 --> 00:15:28,860 thinking, well, maybe there's, you know, there's what, what? 260 00:15:29,430 --> 00:15:31,920 Because I'm still thinking, who's behind it? Why are they 261 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:36,420 behind it? Who's Cui bono? And so let's go to part two and see 262 00:15:36,420 --> 00:15:36,660 what is 263 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:41,670 gap in all of this is that there has not been there has been some 264 00:15:41,670 --> 00:15:45,480 attention in the United States, but not nearly as much as in in 265 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,060 many other countries, not as much as in Europe. And that's 266 00:15:48,060 --> 00:15:51,330 partly because there haven't been that many I will not many 267 00:15:51,330 --> 00:15:56,160 US people implicated. But I think this is problematic 268 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:00,000 because the United States itself is a tax haven, a very, very big 269 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,790 tax. A lot of people are putting their money in the United 270 00:16:02,790 --> 00:16:05,430 States, knowing that information is not going to be shared with 271 00:16:05,430 --> 00:16:08,970 their, you know, financial crime authorities or tax authorities, 272 00:16:08,970 --> 00:16:12,150 whatever. And so, you know, there's, you know, the US has a 273 00:16:12,150 --> 00:16:15,330 big big problem in the system and it doesn't seem to be making 274 00:16:15,330 --> 00:16:17,400 a lot of change in this respect. All right, 275 00:16:17,430 --> 00:16:18,300 Nicholas, facts and 276 00:16:20,070 --> 00:16:24,600 big problem in the system. And then I I'm thinking what, what, 277 00:16:24,870 --> 00:16:27,480 the United States is a big problem. We're a bunch where the 278 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,750 tax havens so I hear this on democracy. Now. There's Panama 279 00:16:30,750 --> 00:16:32,250 Papers dn KCUR. 280 00:16:32,670 --> 00:16:36,300 The massive data lake known as the Panama Papers, has revealed 281 00:16:36,300 --> 00:16:40,380 the law firm Mossack Fonseca set up more than 1000 shell 282 00:16:40,380 --> 00:16:43,740 companies inside the United States once again, raising 283 00:16:43,740 --> 00:16:48,180 questions about the US role as an offshore tax haven, the paper 284 00:16:48,180 --> 00:16:52,140 show more than 600 shell companies were set up in Nevada 285 00:16:52,170 --> 00:16:55,260 alone, Matthew Gardner of the Institute on taxation and 286 00:16:55,260 --> 00:16:58,800 economic policy said, quote, we should be thinking about this as 287 00:16:58,830 --> 00:17:03,000 a very American problem, and a problem that arguably is worse 288 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,860 here in the States than it is in Panama. He said, Yeah, well, 289 00:17:08,369 --> 00:17:11,309 dogs behind this is obviously our banks. 290 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:15,570 Yeah. And okay, I want to play a short little clip here, just as 291 00:17:15,570 --> 00:17:21,510 a little interim bitty. This is one of our producers was driving 292 00:17:21,690 --> 00:17:24,810 like 2000 kilometres from back from holiday in Australia. And 293 00:17:24,810 --> 00:17:29,340 he heard an interview on the radio with Gerard Ryle, who is 294 00:17:29,340 --> 00:17:32,670 of the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists, 295 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:38,130 and our producer Linden was nice enough to cut a couple clips. So 296 00:17:38,130 --> 00:17:41,430 you just said the key word there that the American banks, that's 297 00:17:41,460 --> 00:17:47,160 actually who the customers of most often seca are not the 298 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,140 people themselves, but the banks. 299 00:17:50,220 --> 00:17:53,580 And would the legal, the legitimate aspects of the 300 00:17:53,580 --> 00:17:57,000 industry know that they they're sort of cheek by jowl with some 301 00:17:57,030 --> 00:17:59,940 very dodgy behaviour or not. And I just wonder what you think 302 00:17:59,940 --> 00:18:03,960 about their, their informed consent, as it were? 303 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,740 Oh, there's no doubt that they know what's going on. I mean, 304 00:18:07,740 --> 00:18:12,000 we've seen evidence in the, in the papers, that major banks and 305 00:18:12,030 --> 00:18:17,370 everyday you know, high street banks are giving their customers 306 00:18:17,370 --> 00:18:21,750 the option of avoiding taxes in some countries. It's more 307 00:18:21,750 --> 00:18:24,780 section thicker. When we first approached them with a list of 308 00:18:24,780 --> 00:18:28,080 the clients and have a list of the allegations. Their first 309 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:31,080 reaction was Hang on, these aren't our clients. Our clients 310 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:35,250 are the big banks and the big accountancy firms. And it's kind 311 00:18:35,250 --> 00:18:38,400 of one of the most startling revelations from this. He says 312 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,730 they didn't really know who the customer was, nor were they 313 00:18:41,730 --> 00:18:43,740 required to know what seemed staggering. 314 00:18:46,530 --> 00:18:49,860 This brings up another point, when they first report when we 315 00:18:49,860 --> 00:18:53,550 first played the early clips of this Yeah, they specifically 316 00:18:53,550 --> 00:18:57,240 mentioned the banks being the customers. Yeah, we didn't 317 00:18:57,270 --> 00:18:59,340 really play it that way. Because they were 318 00:18:59,370 --> 00:19:01,770 we got named name yes. So celebrated. 319 00:19:02,250 --> 00:19:05,400 Like they did a lousy job of protecting their clients. But 320 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:10,710 the banks they mentioned if you recall, H FSB HSBC Yeah, UBS, 321 00:19:10,710 --> 00:19:14,490 Credit Suisse, Deutsche Bank, Deutsche Bank. No know American 322 00:19:14,490 --> 00:19:15,390 banks were mentioned. 323 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,170 No. Oh, okay. Well, if we take this right back to the New York 324 00:19:19,170 --> 00:19:24,300 banker, he remember his quote is we won, we won. We won the 325 00:19:24,300 --> 00:19:26,670 American banks, one from the European banks. I'm still not 326 00:19:26,670 --> 00:19:30,450 sure what it means. But maybe this is the final death knell 327 00:19:30,450 --> 00:19:33,150 they did jab it all the way into these efforts. 328 00:19:33,510 --> 00:19:36,630 I think it's just the one stab I think there's going to be more 329 00:19:36,630 --> 00:19:37,110 status. 330 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:42,420 Yeah, well hold on. Just because you picked up the meme of only 331 00:19:42,420 --> 00:19:46,440 the top five. I have a 15 second clip, which is the propagation 332 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,630 of that meme. So there's something to this, I believe, 333 00:19:48,630 --> 00:19:52,950 again, that same guy from the International Consortium of 334 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:54,570 international journalists, whatever 335 00:19:54,570 --> 00:19:57,210 and they weren't the only ones. I mean, let's face it most 336 00:19:57,210 --> 00:20:00,930 likely, is one of the largest firms in the While doing this, 337 00:20:01,350 --> 00:20:05,160 but we know that there are about 800 similar firms around the 338 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,650 world and they're not even the biggest. I mean, they're the 339 00:20:07,650 --> 00:20:10,020 fourth third. They're certainly in the top five, but they're not 340 00:20:10,020 --> 00:20:10,530 the biggest. 341 00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:13,980 Okay, just so that top five is that that may be a mean that is 342 00:20:13,980 --> 00:20:15,030 out there for a reason. 343 00:20:16,529 --> 00:20:18,959 Yeah, yeah. A little threat. Yeah. 344 00:20:19,919 --> 00:20:21,329 There could be more. 345 00:20:22,860 --> 00:20:27,300 So this so now that I don't know if there's been a couple movies, 346 00:20:27,300 --> 00:20:29,280 I think the International is one of them. There's a bunch of 347 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,950 movies. I came out a few years ago, 348 00:20:32,370 --> 00:20:35,700 the banks vcci was not at the the big Yeah. And there's 349 00:20:35,700 --> 00:20:38,790 BCCI. Right. Now, there's a bunch of movies that came out 350 00:20:38,790 --> 00:20:42,780 showing these, these horrible international bankers being a 351 00:20:42,780 --> 00:20:47,520 bunch of murderers. And yeah, it's really good films. And one 352 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,160 in particular, the internationalist the 353 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,680 internationalist was the best, I feel. Yeah, that was a good, 354 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:57,990 fast, good, very entertaining, and it was about banking. And I 355 00:20:59,310 --> 00:21:04,740 might be thinking now that since our intelligence agencies do the 356 00:21:04,740 --> 00:21:08,310 bidding, I mean, they're working for somebody, they're not just 357 00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:11,190 doing it, because it's fun. No, but they do the bidding for some 358 00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:14,580 of our corporations, internationally, espionage, 359 00:21:14,580 --> 00:21:19,080 buying and all the rest of it. And they may be fronting for the 360 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,950 banks on this. And so if the CIA, NSA, whoever it was, that 361 00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:26,190 may have done this breach, which looks like well, there's, 362 00:21:26,220 --> 00:21:29,400 well, there's only one guy who can tie directly to that. And 363 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,550 that's Comey, because he's a former board and board member of 364 00:21:32,550 --> 00:21:38,370 HSBC. That means either he didn't protect them. Or he knew 365 00:21:38,370 --> 00:21:40,230 so much it was time to go after them. 366 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,900 Or Yes, could could go either way. But I'm now thinking that 367 00:21:46,530 --> 00:21:50,820 it's our banks behind this whole thing, just to put the nail in 368 00:21:50,820 --> 00:21:54,510 the coffin of these other guys. I'm these gentlemen are are too 369 00:21:54,510 --> 00:21:58,680 big to fail banks who've become too big to downloads their own 370 00:21:58,680 --> 00:21:59,220 government. Well, 371 00:21:59,220 --> 00:22:03,330 hold on. Let me just So following on your logic, so the 372 00:22:03,330 --> 00:22:07,710 US banks did this, whatever, what how would we classify that? 373 00:22:08,670 --> 00:22:15,840 And I guess the everyone's doing their best to distract from the 374 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,200 banking part of it. Maybe that's why we're just looking as 375 00:22:19,410 --> 00:22:21,930 we're not covering Kansas country at all. This whole story 376 00:22:21,930 --> 00:22:23,520 is like covered up, it's dumb. 377 00:22:23,550 --> 00:22:27,570 And by the way, when it comes to money laundering or tax evasion, 378 00:22:27,810 --> 00:22:35,220 The Netherlands is one of the is one of the biggest. That's 379 00:22:35,220 --> 00:22:37,260 that's where all the Russian money goes. That's where the 380 00:22:37,260 --> 00:22:39,990 Rolling Stones put their money. That's where YouTube puts their 381 00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:43,920 money. Because there's no tax on royalties and other creative 382 00:22:43,950 --> 00:22:46,620 creative royalties. There's no tax on it in the Netherlands, 383 00:22:47,460 --> 00:22:49,920 also not really mentioned in the papers that much. 384 00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:52,560 That's an interesting point. 385 00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:56,460 And it's mainly Russian, I would say, 386 00:22:58,110 --> 00:23:02,550 well, whatever the case, and I use that term, loosely, loosely, 387 00:23:03,390 --> 00:23:08,460 I set in then the point that we have so many of these little 388 00:23:08,460 --> 00:23:12,990 shell companies in our own country that are used for and by 389 00:23:12,990 --> 00:23:15,000 the way, I do want to mention that we do know that there's 390 00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:18,780 some I got two notes from two different producers saying, oh, 391 00:23:18,780 --> 00:23:22,320 you know, you guys are screwing up. You know, tax avoidance is 392 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:27,900 legal tax evasion is not. You get your terms mixed up. I don't 393 00:23:27,900 --> 00:23:31,620 think so. And tat Well, there's this leat those are legalese 394 00:23:31,620 --> 00:23:35,310 terms. If you say tax, some tax avoidance. Yeah, that's illegal. 395 00:23:35,310 --> 00:23:38,340 You can't do that. But you can do tax avoidance tax avoidance 396 00:23:38,340 --> 00:23:40,530 would be like, somebody, 397 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,110 how about this? How about how about this John? loopholes? 398 00:23:43,140 --> 00:23:49,290 Maybe? We want to hurt the IMF. Could that could there be IMF 399 00:23:49,290 --> 00:23:53,250 ties run the IMF? Yeah, but we're not happy with it. We 400 00:23:53,250 --> 00:23:54,210 haven't ratified. I 401 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,900 think the point that that one guy made where he said, This is 402 00:23:57,900 --> 00:24:03,480 not an international sideshow. This is the show. The show. 403 00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:06,930 Yeah. And I think what it is, is that we want to make sure that 404 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,650 the show is here within our system, you want to screw 405 00:24:10,650 --> 00:24:13,200 around, you want to do dirty deals, you want to launder 406 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:14,580 money, do it through us 407 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,670 it's always it's a native ad 408 00:24:19,230 --> 00:24:23,370 through us and by the way, since we are the ones who promoted the 409 00:24:23,670 --> 00:24:26,160 United States you know, we're the ones who kind of behind the 410 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,780 internet we invented it more or less and we can protect you 411 00:24:30,810 --> 00:24:33,540 doodle Look at these guys that can't even protect you you did a 412 00:24:33,540 --> 00:24:36,960 deal and now it's out in the public eye like that. Like you 413 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,030 know, we've never done that you'd haven't heard you we've 414 00:24:39,030 --> 00:24:41,550 had a credit card numbers breached by couple days but 415 00:24:41,550 --> 00:24:45,480 that's about it. We haven't had these deals exposed you better 416 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,530 be doing business over here. Plenty of banks are good work 417 00:24:49,530 --> 00:24:52,860 these those banks are no good. Literally come on in let's I 418 00:24:52,860 --> 00:24:55,260 want to introduce you to the let me introduce you to the team I 419 00:24:55,260 --> 00:24:55,650 did with 420 00:24:55,650 --> 00:24:56,760 the American banks one. 421 00:24:57,540 --> 00:25:00,570 Yeah, I think you're right. I'm gonna have to you maybe Why has 422 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,860 white hat such a smug look on his face? Maybe that's what it 423 00:25:04,860 --> 00:25:09,390 is. Well, our buddy Matthew Lee, man, Lee from Associated Press, 424 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:14,220 beers are waiting for you in Austin, Matt Lee, he did what we 425 00:25:14,220 --> 00:25:16,830 would hope a good journalist would do. And he brought this to 426 00:25:16,830 --> 00:25:19,830 the State Department and said, Hey, are you guys behind this? 427 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:24,870 Although he didn't exactly frame it that way. He could I thought 428 00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:28,290 he was a little too cagey on his question. But then again, it was 429 00:25:28,290 --> 00:25:32,070 Mark tone, or the filan guy. So uh, but listen to the end. I 430 00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:35,460 don't know if Matt messed up or toner messed up, but have a 431 00:25:35,460 --> 00:25:35,670 listen, 432 00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:41,459 I want to go to something that came up the other day, but but 433 00:25:41,459 --> 00:25:45,779 now it's taken on an added element. And that is this Panama 434 00:25:45,779 --> 00:25:50,669 Papers leak. President Putin, you will have seen said today 435 00:25:50,669 --> 00:25:56,399 that the leak of this particularly the items that have 436 00:25:56,399 --> 00:26:01,289 to do with Russian nationals, like Russia, are part of a 437 00:26:01,589 --> 00:26:08,489 Western or us plot or campaign to undermine Russia. What, what 438 00:26:08,489 --> 00:26:09,209 do you make of that? 439 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:16,980 Okay, I mean, we've, I think, made pretty clear that we're not 440 00:26:16,980 --> 00:26:22,230 going to talk about the content, obviously, these confidential 441 00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:28,620 papers that were leaked. I just reject, I would reject the 442 00:26:28,620 --> 00:26:32,730 premise or the assertion that we're in any way involved in the 443 00:26:32,730 --> 00:26:34,500 actual leak of these documents. 444 00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:38,070 Okay. So 445 00:26:38,820 --> 00:26:41,010 it's interesting, because he says something different there 446 00:26:41,010 --> 00:26:45,960 than No, he says, I reject the assertion. And then it kind of 447 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,690 evolved. Yeah. And he kind of corrects himself. So they just 448 00:26:48,690 --> 00:26:51,660 reject that. And he's not really a solid, no, but here comes his 449 00:26:51,660 --> 00:26:52,860 end version that 450 00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:56,460 were in any way involved in the actual leak of these documents. 451 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:03,720 Okay. So it's his accusation that the United States had 452 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,410 anything to do with it, or the assertion by him or by anyone 453 00:27:07,410 --> 00:27:10,200 that the US government had anything to do with us as your 454 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,910 you say, it's left completely wrong. 455 00:27:11,970 --> 00:27:19,410 That's right. Did you hear what he said? He said, The assertion 456 00:27:20,220 --> 00:27:23,550 that the United States is part of it is not completely wrong. 457 00:27:24,030 --> 00:27:25,470 And the guy says That's right. 458 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,100 No, I don't think so. Play it again, 459 00:27:29,550 --> 00:27:33,000 had anything to do with it or the assertion by him or by 460 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,790 anyone that the US government had anything to do with this as 461 00:27:35,910 --> 00:27:38,520 your you say? It's completely wrong? That's right. 462 00:27:39,630 --> 00:27:41,190 You say it's not completely wrong. 463 00:27:43,230 --> 00:27:46,530 It's just kind of a verbal there. I'm not sure that means 464 00:27:46,530 --> 00:27:47,070 anything. 465 00:27:47,610 --> 00:27:53,700 I would agree with you. But it's just Okay. Fine. It's kg 466 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,970 version is completely that the government had anything to do. 467 00:27:56,970 --> 00:27:59,460 In other words, he's asking the question that the US government 468 00:27:59,460 --> 00:28:03,930 have anything to do with this? Well, and well said is 469 00:28:03,930 --> 00:28:05,370 completely wrong. No, no, 470 00:28:05,370 --> 00:28:11,310 no, no, hate? No. He said, I reject the assertion. One more 471 00:28:11,310 --> 00:28:12,420 time, then we'll be done with it. 472 00:28:12,570 --> 00:28:16,230 It's his accusation that the United States had anything to do 473 00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:19,890 with it, or the assertion by him or by anyone that the US 474 00:28:19,890 --> 00:28:22,830 government had anything to do with us as your you say? It's 475 00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:24,420 completely wrong. That's right. 476 00:28:25,740 --> 00:28:29,730 Not completely wrong. Okay. That's right. I don't know. 477 00:28:29,940 --> 00:28:33,270 Could be just a I think it's misunderstanding. 478 00:28:33,300 --> 00:28:36,090 I think it's a misunderstanding. I think he wasn't trying to be 479 00:28:36,090 --> 00:28:38,940 tricky. I don't know that the State Department would know 480 00:28:38,940 --> 00:28:41,670 that. I mean, these guys are supposed to share until Oh, 481 00:28:41,670 --> 00:28:44,610 no. But the question was needed to be asked. That's it was a 482 00:28:44,610 --> 00:28:48,930 good question. Thank you. Exactly. I have one more piece 483 00:28:48,930 --> 00:28:53,070 from the journalist, Gerard Ryle from the International 484 00:28:53,070 --> 00:28:54,300 Consortium of invest. I 485 00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:56,820 also played by the way, I also want to say just things are so 486 00:28:56,820 --> 00:29:00,240 compartment alized in those kinds of environments, I 487 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,280 couldn't there's no way that this guy would know that. 488 00:29:02,550 --> 00:29:06,570 But he did have a very thick, heavy tab he turned to when the 489 00:29:06,570 --> 00:29:10,650 question came up. Yeah, I look for that now. Yes. Oh, he's 490 00:29:10,650 --> 00:29:15,180 going for a tab. He's got his tab. Yeah. Actually have two 491 00:29:15,180 --> 00:29:20,250 clips from, from this journalist from ICI je. Here's the first 492 00:29:20,250 --> 00:29:23,460 one. Apparently, they all had access to the full documents 493 00:29:23,460 --> 00:29:25,770 that they were working on all this time, John. It's amazing 494 00:29:25,770 --> 00:29:30,810 how 400 journalists worked on this data dump. data dump? 495 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,960 Well, I would get more out of it than what we've seen. 496 00:29:34,620 --> 00:29:37,110 It was obvious from the beginning that that we had 497 00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:40,950 something but we then had all this legwork to do. We had to 498 00:29:41,370 --> 00:29:44,880 index the documents, we had to build a consortium of media 499 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,760 partners, make sure that everyone had access to all of 500 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,570 the documents. You know, there was no point in just parsing up 501 00:29:51,660 --> 00:29:54,810 one country's document and sending it over the internet. We 502 00:29:54,810 --> 00:29:57,840 had to give them access to everything because this world is 503 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,600 a global world and the reporters needed to be at to follow their 504 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:01,140 noses. 505 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,380 Yeah, I'm always amazed when people say, you know that 506 00:30:04,380 --> 00:30:07,620 conspiracy theory is crazy. But that can't be because hundreds 507 00:30:07,620 --> 00:30:09,990 of people would have known about it, someone would have said 508 00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:14,010 something. Well, in this case, 400 people knew about this for a 509 00:30:14,010 --> 00:30:18,780 year and no one said anything. So there's proof. There's proof 510 00:30:18,810 --> 00:30:20,640 it can be done. I think 511 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,250 we've known this all along. Alright, here's what can't it's 512 00:30:23,250 --> 00:30:26,610 not that the key secret is just to organise in such a way that 513 00:30:26,610 --> 00:30:29,340 just kind of compartmentalization. Now, the 514 00:30:29,340 --> 00:30:32,100 couple of things they said there that everyone had access access 515 00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:35,670 is not the same as having a copy. That's correct. I mean, it 516 00:30:35,670 --> 00:30:38,730 doesn't take much really, too. I mean, I can go to Costco right 517 00:30:38,730 --> 00:30:42,150 now and get a four terabyte drive or a six terabyte drive 518 00:30:42,150 --> 00:30:48,030 for 150 bucks. And so I could get the whole thing. It's only 519 00:30:48,030 --> 00:30:52,020 2.6 terabytes. So I could have a whole copy, they should give 520 00:30:52,020 --> 00:30:56,520 everyone an entire copy, not access, access is not the same. 521 00:30:56,700 --> 00:31:00,510 If you have a copy, if I had a whole copy, I could run it, run 522 00:31:00,510 --> 00:31:03,330 it through a database. I could organise it. You can do your own 523 00:31:03,390 --> 00:31:05,010 searches, keyword searches. 524 00:31:05,340 --> 00:31:09,030 Now they use I read about some system they use the even OCR 525 00:31:09,060 --> 00:31:11,580 stuff in is what an operation. 526 00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:13,980 That would take a while. 527 00:31:14,010 --> 00:31:17,730 Here's the final clip from this guy. This is this is regarding 528 00:31:17,730 --> 00:31:21,390 the Russian angle. So we've had State Department says no, no, 529 00:31:21,390 --> 00:31:25,230 no, it's not entirely true. We weren't entirely involved. 530 00:31:25,860 --> 00:31:28,590 So what about Russia? What? Because I noticed you were 531 00:31:28,590 --> 00:31:33,450 careful there. In the words you chose. What's your What are you 532 00:31:33,450 --> 00:31:35,040 hearing about the impact in Russia? 533 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,610 Do you hear the Glee in that woman's voice? 534 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,320 Russia? So great, you guys. 535 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:46,560 She's from Australia. I don't know. 536 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,570 What about Russia? What? Because I noticed you were careful 537 00:31:51,570 --> 00:31:51,900 there. 538 00:31:52,770 --> 00:31:55,260 In the words you chose. I didn't want to get a little. 539 00:31:56,850 --> 00:31:59,670 What's your What are you hearing about the impact in Russia? 540 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,410 Well, we have, we've managed to get Vladimir Putin to come out 541 00:32:04,410 --> 00:32:06,900 and give a press conference about it. So that's a bit of a 542 00:32:06,900 --> 00:32:09,840 coup. But before we before we even publish, 543 00:32:10,050 --> 00:32:13,560 that's kind of interesting, what journalists feel is important. 544 00:32:13,980 --> 00:32:17,280 He says, We've managed to have Putin come out and do a press 545 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,900 conference about it. So this journalist is has an axe to 546 00:32:21,900 --> 00:32:28,950 grind. The way I hear it. Maybe, yeah, I just thought just as a, 547 00:32:28,980 --> 00:32:33,960 you know, an international independent journalist, you may 548 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,660 want to temper yourself a bit. Well, we 549 00:32:36,660 --> 00:32:38,940 have, we've managed to get Vladimir Putin to come out and 550 00:32:38,940 --> 00:32:41,790 give a press conference about it. So that's a bit of the 551 00:32:41,790 --> 00:32:46,410 before, before we even published anything we sent. And we were 552 00:32:46,410 --> 00:32:49,800 working very closely with journalists in Russia, who were 553 00:32:50,010 --> 00:32:52,920 understandably concerned about their welfare in terms of they 554 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,250 were physically worried about their welfare. So we went to 555 00:32:56,250 --> 00:33:00,090 most of the of the people around the world a few weeks early, 556 00:33:00,090 --> 00:33:03,030 because of the process we use here, we've got a fact check 557 00:33:03,030 --> 00:33:05,520 everything, give everyone a chance to comment. But we went 558 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,450 to Russia a week, just a week out from publication. And almost 559 00:33:09,450 --> 00:33:12,630 the moment that we sent the the questions, they called a press 560 00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:16,650 conference from the Kremlin, and denounced us and tried to make 561 00:33:16,650 --> 00:33:19,890 out that this was an attack on Russia. At that point, of 562 00:33:19,890 --> 00:33:22,530 course, they thought that we were only interested in Russia. 563 00:33:23,130 --> 00:33:25,830 What we'd found in the documents were all of these associates of 564 00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:30,000 Vladimir Putin, who basically owned offshore companies. And 565 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,270 through those offshore companies were pouring millions, hundreds 566 00:33:33,270 --> 00:33:36,510 of millions of dollars, and some very strange transaction 567 00:33:36,510 --> 00:33:40,860 successes, loans from from state owned companies to these 568 00:33:40,860 --> 00:33:43,950 offshore companies. And these loans didn't appear to be 569 00:33:43,950 --> 00:33:47,160 commercial, there was a polite way of putting it. And we also 570 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,510 found an offshore company, for instance, that was the owner of 571 00:33:51,510 --> 00:33:54,360 a ski resort work group installed or got married. And of 572 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,090 course, the owner of that company turned out to be Putin's 573 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,470 of The Godfather crudeness, child. So there were legitimate 574 00:34:01,470 --> 00:34:03,810 reasons for us to ask the questions. But as soon as we 575 00:34:03,810 --> 00:34:07,020 did, we just got announced. And they were claiming this was a 576 00:34:07,020 --> 00:34:10,140 conspiracy by the by the American government, that we 577 00:34:10,140 --> 00:34:14,250 were all CIA and other things, which is quite funny. And 578 00:34:16,020 --> 00:34:18,150 how could one ever ever think that 579 00:34:18,150 --> 00:34:21,120 it's time to react and to deny all this ourselves and to defend 580 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,700 ourselves? But I just knew that one week later, we were going to 581 00:34:23,700 --> 00:34:26,820 publish, and they were going to see that, you know, that it 582 00:34:26,820 --> 00:34:30,810 wasn't about them. And in fact, we were also publishing 583 00:34:31,470 --> 00:34:33,180 information about other other world 584 00:34:33,180 --> 00:34:36,420 leaders, like people like British pm David Cameron, but I 585 00:34:36,420 --> 00:34:37,710 think probably people have heard about that. 586 00:34:38,670 --> 00:34:43,290 I'm just reading now. HSBC executives are facing calls to 587 00:34:43,290 --> 00:34:46,380 resign. Yeah, you know, you're onto something here. I think 588 00:34:46,380 --> 00:34:52,350 this is a good one. And really, the the information that was in 589 00:34:52,350 --> 00:35:00,000 this data zone, you got to wonder if, if, if the banks were 590 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:05,070 their customers then it, I would say that they really only had 591 00:35:05,070 --> 00:35:07,830 the banking. It didn't maybe didn't come from this data dump, 592 00:35:07,860 --> 00:35:08,610 you know what I'm saying? 593 00:35:11,550 --> 00:35:14,760 I don't see how, here's what I here's the way I see it in terms 594 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,640 of that, in terms of that what you're saying, which is that why 595 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,450 is that just a bunch of bank names? Yeah, the banks are is 596 00:35:21,450 --> 00:35:24,810 their customer, but they still have to set this, these set it 597 00:35:24,810 --> 00:35:28,080 up now, with somebody in mind, because they're gonna have to 598 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,890 have some relationship to the person. Right? It seems like the 599 00:35:31,890 --> 00:35:35,310 banks are the customer. The banks are kind of a broker. But 600 00:35:35,310 --> 00:35:39,180 you had your you had your David Cameron's dad, right? Who went 601 00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:42,570 to his bankers banker in London, and the banker in London says, 602 00:35:42,570 --> 00:35:46,350 okay, and then went to these guys and said, We've got to set 603 00:35:46,350 --> 00:35:49,980 this thing up friend, here's the here's our client. And here's 604 00:35:49,980 --> 00:35:52,590 what you got to do for him. What can you do? So the guy's name is 605 00:35:52,590 --> 00:35:55,020 going to be transferred along because the banks are acting as 606 00:35:55,020 --> 00:36:00,390 the middleman. Yeah. And acting as anonymous. frontman is 607 00:36:00,420 --> 00:36:04,500 okay, well, so let's follow the logic. So let's say this is set 608 00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:07,440 up by the US banks who are narrowly mentioned. 609 00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:15,780 The data breach was set up by the US banks. Yeah, yeah. 610 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,960 So the idea, I guess the idea now would be ultimately to go 611 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,710 after the executives within the banks to weaken them even more. 612 00:36:25,740 --> 00:36:26,520 Does that make sense? 613 00:36:27,390 --> 00:36:28,470 It sounds good to me. 614 00:36:28,500 --> 00:36:29,730 Yeah. Yeah. 615 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,820 I'm not sure what the end game is, besides weakening the banks 616 00:36:32,820 --> 00:36:35,700 would be one thing, but just just guessing. Absolutely. And 617 00:36:35,700 --> 00:36:40,230 it was bold, this whole scene under control under our control, 618 00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:44,130 so we're the one that profit from it. Yeah. You're talking a 619 00:36:44,130 --> 00:36:47,250 lot of rich people in Europe and elsewhere that are just 620 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,130 bypassing us. Yes. No, good. 621 00:36:50,370 --> 00:36:52,710 This is not how the game is played. Absolutely. 622 00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:55,470 You can do better as 623 00:36:55,470 --> 00:36:59,550 it goes. Sure. But what's the big deal? You make just much 624 00:36:59,550 --> 00:37:00,480 going through us 625 00:37:00,540 --> 00:37:04,200 here German banks in meshed in the Panama Papers leak in 626 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,570 meshed? Yeah, yeah, I think you're right. And this would 627 00:37:06,570 --> 00:37:10,170 explain the the former New York Bankers coyness about the whole 628 00:37:10,170 --> 00:37:13,560 thing. Yeah, I don't I don't know where this is coming from 629 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,130 this now. He was this happened. He was Deutsche. But I said 630 00:37:17,130 --> 00:37:19,380 Georgia is gonna get screwed so I had that debt over this the 631 00:37:19,380 --> 00:37:22,380 debt over this so maybe he had a suspicion. I'm gonna throw this 632 00:37:22,380 --> 00:37:28,470 back in his face. He would what bounces? Ha. Well, I like 633 00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:31,320 looking at it from that angle for sure. Well, it makes us look 634 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,970 like winners. If you're very good grades, Panama Papers 635 00:37:35,970 --> 00:37:37,770 making America great again. 636 00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:39,990 Gotta love it. 637 00:37:42,090 --> 00:37:46,800 Oh, man. And it's definitely I mean, I have it is, it's almost 638 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:51,930 you can almost chew on how missing it is from the network 639 00:37:51,930 --> 00:37:55,140 news stories. I mean, that little Democracy Now thing was 640 00:37:55,140 --> 00:37:58,110 the only thing that was been playing this plane and the news 641 00:37:58,110 --> 00:38:02,130 are just completely ignored this story. This is a huge, huge, 642 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,050 huge international story. Yeah. 643 00:38:04,410 --> 00:38:07,290 Now why would the why would they be ignoring it? If it's about 644 00:38:07,290 --> 00:38:11,910 the German banks? Wouldn't we want to rope them in and get 645 00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:12,720 them all over? 646 00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:16,530 In? Our public doesn't need to know this? Right? And I'm gonna 647 00:38:16,530 --> 00:38:18,480 do as a public American public, they don't need to know 648 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,240 anything. Everybody who needs to know does we'll be finding out 649 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:26,550 shortly with a letter in the mail. Yeah. do business with us? 650 00:38:26,700 --> 00:38:28,110 Or don't do business at all? 651 00:38:28,140 --> 00:38:31,710 Now, the next question is will this will it hold? Well? Does it 652 00:38:31,710 --> 00:38:34,530 have legs? Will it continue? I'm not so sure. 653 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,760 Well, that's all he needs the second data breach. Now. We've 654 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,630 talked about this, are you and I in our game spot the spook? 655 00:38:45,180 --> 00:38:46,470 It's one of my favourite games. 656 00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:49,290 Quite. It's a great game. And it's very easily once you get 657 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:53,340 the hang of it, you can do it. Anyone can? Yes. In fact, if we 658 00:38:53,400 --> 00:39:00,660 had spa so I'll bet you if we saw I bet you there was a spook 659 00:39:00,900 --> 00:39:04,710 in this operation in this Panamanian operation, that if we 660 00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:07,890 saw one of those, we'd see him we'd go Yeah, yeah, we go. 661 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,220 That's a whole the team of all the people that work there. I 662 00:39:11,220 --> 00:39:16,320 bet you we could spot the guy. Yeah. Because this couldn't have 663 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,530 been just over the internet of data breaches had to be 664 00:39:19,530 --> 00:39:22,380 orchestrated from inside, even though there's a lot of debates 665 00:39:22,380 --> 00:39:27,180 going on in the media right now. But was it an inside job? He was 666 00:39:27,180 --> 00:39:33,150 probably at least partially an inside job because it just 2.6 667 00:39:33,180 --> 00:39:35,340 terabytes is a lot of stuff that number 668 00:39:35,340 --> 00:39:42,390 has, has irritated me. Okay, the number and yeah, we have Yeah, 669 00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:46,050 it's one of those numbers. We have lots of dude name dudes 670 00:39:46,050 --> 00:39:50,130 named Ben out there. Now. I think this is probably from a 671 00:39:50,130 --> 00:39:52,980 backup archive. And this is what I've been trying to find out. 672 00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:57,390 Oh, this is this is where people forget how their security works. 673 00:39:57,540 --> 00:40:02,910 Now backup tapes, I think can do up to 600 And 6.25 terabytes. 674 00:40:03,690 --> 00:40:06,360 But that's the high performance. And this may not be, you know, 675 00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:10,290 this is from 10 years ago or it's actually it's lots of who 676 00:40:10,290 --> 00:40:13,650 knows? I don't know. It just feels that that kind of that 677 00:40:13,650 --> 00:40:16,770 size. To me feels like a backup tape. 678 00:40:17,250 --> 00:40:20,340 You know, it's interesting because I, when everyone talks 679 00:40:20,340 --> 00:40:22,800 about security, and they talk about the cloud, the cloud 680 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,610 security, and they talk about, you know, security over the 681 00:40:26,610 --> 00:40:30,540 internet, they have always security guys. I wonder 682 00:40:30,570 --> 00:40:34,620 sometimes about archival security? Because I don't think 683 00:40:34,620 --> 00:40:38,190 there's much is much effort put into taking an archive, which 684 00:40:38,190 --> 00:40:42,480 would be a backup tape of some sort, or backup tapes of some 685 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:48,240 sort. And then there's automated giant backup places or site 686 00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:52,260 stuff. Yeah, you know, off site to place would have this 687 00:40:52,290 --> 00:40:55,260 material that would I wonder how easy it would be just a steal 688 00:40:55,260 --> 00:40:56,220 those tapes? Well, I'm 689 00:40:56,220 --> 00:41:00,120 sure the bank banks, the banks probably store their their off 690 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,470 Site Backups, possibly in the same place? I don't know. I 691 00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:06,660 mean, I've always worked. I've always wondered about that. 692 00:41:07,260 --> 00:41:12,210 Yeah, Iron Mountain. Yeah, you know, where they encrypted. And 693 00:41:12,210 --> 00:41:15,180 we don't know any of this stuff. We have no technical data on 694 00:41:15,180 --> 00:41:19,320 this. And the silence is deafening from the, from the 695 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,110 Snowden camp. But it's deafening. I tell you definitely 696 00:41:22,110 --> 00:41:22,830 there were some 697 00:41:22,830 --> 00:41:28,440 years ago of this mountain in Switzerland. And it which is 698 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,200 owned by the government, I guess. And these guys took me 699 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,380 into the I got to go into the mountain, which is supposedly, 700 00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:39,720 it's a big mountain in the Alps, and you go is near get shot. And 701 00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:43,380 you go in there. And, in fact, there's an exit out of the 702 00:41:43,380 --> 00:41:47,940 mountain onto a balcony overlooking the valley, and Gus 703 00:41:47,940 --> 00:41:54,360 Stott, and this is crazy. You go out this little walkway and 704 00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:57,600 there's a kind of a glass bulb. It's actually a square like a 705 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:04,080 little patio, and you can have lunch, one table and a wild 706 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,170 anyway, you they did all this sort of thing. And they had 707 00:42:07,170 --> 00:42:11,820 like, all kinds of arm guards and supposedly a H bomb could go 708 00:42:11,820 --> 00:42:15,090 off nearby. Yeah, it would protect the data. And this is 709 00:42:15,090 --> 00:42:18,420 the oldest Swiss banks. Everyone uses this. This crazy. Mountain 710 00:42:18,690 --> 00:42:19,860 thing. I can't remember. 711 00:42:21,180 --> 00:42:25,320 I know, I know where the numbers bother me. This number 3.0. Was 712 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:31,800 it six terabytes? 3.8 2.6. It's 2.6. Yeah. Okay. So if we do 713 00:42:31,830 --> 00:42:39,270 here we go. 2.6 divided by what goes on a DVD? 656 and 50 714 00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:39,930 megabytes? 715 00:42:40,890 --> 00:42:44,490 Or 702 650? 716 00:42:45,390 --> 00:42:50,160 Yeah, so that would fit perfectly on for ROMs. DVD ROMs. 717 00:42:51,540 --> 00:42:52,050 Know what? 718 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,070 You're talking about six 750 megabytes, you're talking about 719 00:42:56,070 --> 00:42:56,700 terabytes. 720 00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:02,700 I'm sorry? 40. It would be 40. That's right. The way a DVD is 721 00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:06,330 4.7 gigabytes. You know what dudes named? Ben figured out in 722 00:43:06,330 --> 00:43:09,120 May lossless. There's something to add. Maybe I'm just thinking 723 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,390 the tape drive just stuck in my head. That's okay. 724 00:43:12,450 --> 00:43:15,390 Well, this probably is I brings up the archival to get to tell 725 00:43:15,390 --> 00:43:17,280 my story about going in. I liked 726 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,400 that. And they let you out again. That's the good news. 727 00:43:20,850 --> 00:43:26,460 Yeah. Now, we've known each other for what 10 years, John, 728 00:43:26,490 --> 00:43:27,480 we've really known each other 729 00:43:28,620 --> 00:43:30,780 since 93. 730 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,210 Okay, well, that's a long time. But yeah, we've waited two 731 00:43:36,210 --> 00:43:40,050 years. We know a little bit about 10 years, good. 1010 years 732 00:43:40,050 --> 00:43:45,510 intensely. It's been an intense 10 years darling. And, but you 733 00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:47,730 know, my background and of course, you know, knowing who my 734 00:43:47,730 --> 00:43:51,090 uncle is, you could easily accuse me of being a CIA asset, 735 00:43:51,090 --> 00:43:51,750 obviously. 736 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,500 Yes. Right. Yeah. So for the drugs thing, they wouldn't let 737 00:43:55,500 --> 00:43:55,980 you know, 738 00:43:56,010 --> 00:43:58,890 no, drinking is okay. In the in the agencies, the drugs. I don't 739 00:43:58,890 --> 00:44:03,120 like drinking and womanising. I had I well, I, hey, I had to for 740 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:09,840 the two out of three. But you the, you've had a few behaviours 741 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,270 that people always like about you. And they're a little bit 742 00:44:12,300 --> 00:44:16,140 odd. But I've always been looking to see if you know if 743 00:44:16,140 --> 00:44:23,400 maybe we came together because your handler or? And I think I 744 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,000 have proof now that you are Oh yeah, this will be good. You are 745 00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:31,710 a trained agent. Ah, and I have proof. I have Jim Comey, who 746 00:44:31,710 --> 00:44:36,450 gives it away that you are a trained agent, most likely of 747 00:44:36,450 --> 00:44:38,850 the Federal Bureau of Investigations. The inflection 748 00:44:38,850 --> 00:44:45,030 point was Snowden, really. And we saw sometimes people say to 749 00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:46,860 me, why didn't you start talking about it? Now you can let the 750 00:44:46,860 --> 00:44:50,040 bad guys know. Long before I became FBI Director three 751 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,340 months, the bad guys got a very clear look. And terrorists 752 00:44:53,340 --> 00:44:56,550 tradecraft changed lots of tradecraft changed. Apple didn't 753 00:44:56,550 --> 00:45:01,080 make its change though, till the end of 2014. And it surprised me 754 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,300 and surprised all of us. I remember how I first commented 755 00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:06,330 on this. It was in the paper one morning and I happen to be 756 00:45:06,330 --> 00:45:09,120 having a regular pencil and pen meeting with the press that 757 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,700 covers us. And someone said, I wasn't even planning to talk 758 00:45:11,700 --> 00:45:13,290 about this. Someone says what are you think about the fact 759 00:45:13,290 --> 00:45:16,740 that all Apple phones are going to be encrypted now, and I am 760 00:45:16,980 --> 00:45:20,220 prudently to sort of wing something. But, but the 761 00:45:20,220 --> 00:45:24,750 conversation about surveillance was not driven by Apple's 762 00:45:24,750 --> 00:45:28,830 change, or my reaction to Apple's change or litigation. It 763 00:45:28,830 --> 00:45:33,360 began in the summer of 2013. And you can debate whether from an 764 00:45:33,390 --> 00:45:35,760 overall perspective is good or bad. I think it was bad, but 765 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,920 others have a different view. But I think that's when that 766 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,580 conversation began. And I think we have an opportunity to 767 00:45:41,580 --> 00:45:43,560 channel into something healthy, I don't think it should freak 768 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,460 you out. I think you should demand the details. demand to 769 00:45:47,460 --> 00:45:49,260 know how the government conducts surveillance, how they're 770 00:45:49,260 --> 00:45:51,570 overseen, how they're constrained, demand to know how 771 00:45:51,570 --> 00:45:56,700 these devices work, demand to know whether it is true. I saw I 772 00:45:56,700 --> 00:46:00,030 saw someone do this, so I copied it. I put a piece of tape. I 773 00:46:00,030 --> 00:46:02,850 have a obviously a laptop personal laptop, put a piece of 774 00:46:02,850 --> 00:46:05,550 tape over the camera, because I saw somebody smarter than I had 775 00:46:05,550 --> 00:46:06,780 a piece of tape over their camera. 776 00:46:08,340 --> 00:46:13,710 Was it in spook school with Jim Comey? How was in smokescreen? I 777 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,430 I made sure that you know, there was a big debate of whether you 778 00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:22,020 should use electrical tape or gaffers. I use gaffers tape. 779 00:46:22,050 --> 00:46:22,560 gaffers 780 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,860 tape is the way to go. You have been doing this to the surprise 781 00:46:25,860 --> 00:46:27,600 of millennials for a decade. 782 00:46:28,410 --> 00:46:31,140 What are you putting the tape over the camera? Yeah, yeah. 783 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:36,000 And now it turns out that is a learned behaviour from FBI proof 784 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,070 there from Jim Comey. I think he saw it 785 00:46:38,070 --> 00:46:41,370 from you. They're a little slow to the game, it seems to me. I 786 00:46:41,370 --> 00:46:47,190 think he learned it from you. Was had me VO and everyone got I 787 00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:50,070 think we had these I had two monitors. And both of them had 788 00:46:50,070 --> 00:46:52,560 cameras on which I thought was wondering, why is this other 789 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,740 king thing have a camera on? Okay, so I put tape over both of 790 00:46:55,740 --> 00:47:01,080 them. And then Butler takes the tape and he takes a three hole 791 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:05,310 punch and puts a hole in the tape and puts the back over the 792 00:47:05,310 --> 00:47:07,680 thing. So the camera shows through, though I wouldn't 793 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:12,960 notice. And so this is interesting. So I just offset 794 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,500 it. So the whole was still there. But now the character but 795 00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:20,010 the whole but the camera itself was still covered. I just love 796 00:47:20,010 --> 00:47:23,070 how Jim Comey took running gag with me and those why would you 797 00:47:23,070 --> 00:47:24,570 want to a camera 798 00:47:25,980 --> 00:47:26,850 pointed at you. 799 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,590 You just overtly it makes no sense to me. So I always take 800 00:47:31,620 --> 00:47:33,990 okay, you're avoiding the question but okay, it's fine. We 801 00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:37,020 understand it. I mean, I just love that Jim Comey learned it 802 00:47:37,020 --> 00:47:38,460 from you. That's the best part. 803 00:47:38,820 --> 00:47:40,830 Well, I'm glad he learned from somebody 804 00:47:41,550 --> 00:47:44,430 from the channel into something healthy I don't think it should 805 00:47:44,430 --> 00:47:48,510 freak you out. I think you should demand the details demand 806 00:47:48,510 --> 00:47:50,250 to know how the government conducts surveillance, how 807 00:47:50,250 --> 00:47:52,680 they're overseen how they're constrained demand to know how 808 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:57,810 these devices work. demand to know whether it is true. I saw I 809 00:47:57,810 --> 00:48:00,300 saw someone knew this so I copied it I put a piece of tape 810 00:48:00,990 --> 00:48:03,960 I have a a obviously a laptop personal after I put a piece of 811 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,720 tape over the camera. I saw somebody smarter than I had a 812 00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:10,830 piece of tape over their camera one smarter and so I think it 813 00:48:10,830 --> 00:48:14,070 should you should channel it into a healthy awareness. A 814 00:48:14,070 --> 00:48:17,610 demand for information and engagement especially young 815 00:48:17,610 --> 00:48:18,600 people yes, we should 816 00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:21,540 see viewer out there showing the young people engagement 817 00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:26,310 piece of tape camera 818 00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:31,230 Oh, I couldn't help myself by like, 819 00:48:32,370 --> 00:48:34,080 well with that where's my check? 820 00:48:34,890 --> 00:48:37,320 I'd like to thank you for your courage and money and say in the 821 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,310 morning to you John. See where that CD stands. for.com covert 822 00:48:41,310 --> 00:48:42,630 handler 823 00:48:44,070 --> 00:48:46,590 you would that you would you would do that now? Yeah. 824 00:48:46,650 --> 00:48:50,580 Oh, okay. Well then, all you have to say is you got to thank 825 00:48:50,580 --> 00:48:52,650 the boots and the things and all that you know. 826 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,310 Well I want to thank also in the morning to you Yes, but also in 827 00:48:56,310 --> 00:48:57,990 the morning all boots on the ground feet in the air subs in 828 00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:59,430 the water all the dames nights out there. 829 00:48:59,460 --> 00:49:01,560 Yes, in the morning, everybody in the chat room. No agenda 830 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,920 stream.com Everyone's very awakened laughing a lot about 831 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,610 your your handler status and no agenda. stream.com Thank you 832 00:49:08,610 --> 00:49:13,440 very much to Patrick boughs. And Patrick gave us the artwork for 833 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:18,480 episode number 814 produce and pipelines really liked this. It 834 00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:21,810 was see it was the blue background. It was kind of the 835 00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:24,810 little of the European Union Flag motif with some of the 836 00:49:24,810 --> 00:49:27,150 stars and you had all the stars looking at one star in the 837 00:49:27,150 --> 00:49:31,410 middle, who was his sweat and beads and looking unhappy and 838 00:49:31,410 --> 00:49:33,540 that of course was the Netherlands in the EU who 839 00:49:33,540 --> 00:49:37,740 rejected the Ukraine association agreement by referendum. 840 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,690 I kinda liked one of the other ones on there too. But yeah, we 841 00:49:42,690 --> 00:49:46,980 agree like we commonly do which is you don't sometimes there's a 842 00:49:47,790 --> 00:49:50,400 you said this one's good for this show. This is good for this 843 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,570 show. But this one here could be an evergreen and future show 844 00:49:54,570 --> 00:49:57,750 when we don't have any. Anybody ever Yeah, well, no 845 00:49:57,750 --> 00:50:00,300 agenda are generated.com is where you can buy Put your 846 00:50:00,300 --> 00:50:05,700 submissions and just like people who make fantastic songs for us 847 00:50:05,700 --> 00:50:09,810 and parodies and jingles we have a couple of interesting ones for 848 00:50:09,810 --> 00:50:13,500 the end of show mix today we get people putting together website 849 00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:14,490 songs come in. 850 00:50:16,139 --> 00:50:19,619 I'd say you get about four per show and I can't you know, some 851 00:50:19,619 --> 00:50:23,189 of the some guidelines would be probably appropriate. First of 852 00:50:23,189 --> 00:50:28,199 all, we really love songs that are that are true parody. So a 853 00:50:28,199 --> 00:50:30,839 song that is a parody of of a known song. That's always great. 854 00:50:30,839 --> 00:50:33,629 It's the hardest to do very hard. Then we have kind of our 855 00:50:33,629 --> 00:50:39,359 DJs like GX two and we have what's the other other guy who's 856 00:50:39,629 --> 00:50:44,009 actually the one the last from Thursday show the kind of the 857 00:50:44,009 --> 00:50:48,149 really cool trancy one that was done by PewDiePie. Who does the 858 00:50:48,149 --> 00:50:52,949 art guy? Oh, yeah, produce that. It was a really good. But 859 00:50:53,459 --> 00:50:55,619 ideally, it's two minutes in length, and it's got lots of 860 00:50:55,619 --> 00:51:00,869 show clips in it. Not too much. Without anything. Yeah, yeah. 861 00:51:00,869 --> 00:51:03,569 It's like a you know, again, what did what was that? You did? 862 00:51:03,629 --> 00:51:11,339 Do? You want lots of show clips, and not too much. DJ Toretto. 863 00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:13,589 Got it. 864 00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:19,470 Got it. Okay. All right. Well, let's thank a few people. For 865 00:51:19,470 --> 00:51:25,170 show 815 And we're starting off with a couple of executive 866 00:51:25,170 --> 00:51:28,530 producers get three of them. Very nice for nice, Steven 867 00:51:28,530 --> 00:51:35,820 Hello, Sir Stephen Hutto in Denver 359 97. And he's mailed 868 00:51:35,820 --> 00:51:41,610 in a note, which I have here. lift us up for Nancy. 869 00:51:42,330 --> 00:51:50,100 Pronunciation guys, Steven Hutto. Pato. Oh, my toe toe. The 870 00:51:50,100 --> 00:51:53,550 March shows have been fantastic. He says, Oh, thank you very 871 00:51:53,550 --> 00:51:58,230 much. Why 359 97 Because three plus five plus nine plus nine 872 00:51:58,230 --> 00:52:03,930 plus seven equals 33. We are making that a regular donation 873 00:52:03,930 --> 00:52:05,760 amount now on 330. 874 00:52:11,370 --> 00:52:16,560 Gmail requested Dvorak. Oh, and Italian Shut up slave police and 875 00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,500 relationship karma as I'm back on the market. 876 00:52:20,970 --> 00:52:22,980 He's got late ladies. He's got money. 877 00:52:23,970 --> 00:52:27,600 He's got money. I'll play the audio and you can take it from 878 00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:28,590 there. Ready? Yeah, I'm 879 00:52:28,590 --> 00:52:38,820 ready. Oh, shut up slave. Got karma. Can I see us? 880 00:52:39,870 --> 00:52:45,900 Then comes $333.33 David Killian and Clinton, Illinois and I 881 00:52:45,900 --> 00:52:50,760 don't think we'll look at his email that he sent us anything 882 00:52:51,330 --> 00:52:52,530 email wise. 883 00:52:54,330 --> 00:52:58,470 Let me check. David Killian. Yes, I think I do have something 884 00:52:58,470 --> 00:53:04,530 here. That's an old one. Wait. Wonder if this is an old one. 885 00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:09,000 This is from it's odd March 22. Is it possible that we missed 886 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,700 him? Oh, okay. We should be getting them. Yeah, here it is. 887 00:53:12,270 --> 00:53:15,210 I have it. John. Adam, enjoy the show been listening since number 888 00:53:15,210 --> 00:53:17,760 one aired please credit my donation of three three on a 889 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,610 Sunday show as you'd be getting in the mail by four 416 There 890 00:53:20,610 --> 00:53:24,000 you go. Please pay attention to the memo in blank checks. I have 891 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,850 put info there in the past but John has not noticed it to read 892 00:53:26,850 --> 00:53:30,690 it off. Here's what I put on this check. Please read ITM 893 00:53:30,690 --> 00:53:35,490 credit show on Sunday show I was instant night. Thank you for 894 00:53:35,490 --> 00:53:39,540 your courage. Also based on my donations I am the status of 895 00:53:39,540 --> 00:53:43,590 double knights slash Baronet today. Well there you go. And 896 00:53:43,590 --> 00:53:46,830 then he quotes from our peerage rules double knights will be 897 00:53:46,830 --> 00:53:49,740 referred to as Baronet or Baron attests optionally the owner of 898 00:53:49,740 --> 00:53:53,280 the title can refuse the title and wait for the next title as 899 00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:57,480 an all would be title whole as well as can all would be title 900 00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,150 holders. So what does that mean? 901 00:54:00,870 --> 00:54:02,640 Does he want me to reduce the title because you don't want to 902 00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:03,720 be called a Baronet? 903 00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:08,790 Okay all right. Oh, well yeah, okay. Please give me the 904 00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:11,460 following jingles liberal chef slave shot a Karma fall by no 905 00:54:11,460 --> 00:54:14,010 agenda swine flu minutes okay, we can do that I 906 00:54:14,010 --> 00:54:15,720 burned David kill you okay yeah, 907 00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:18,690 we can do that shut up slave shot a Karma no agenda swine flu 908 00:54:18,690 --> 00:54:20,610 minute here we go. 909 00:54:24,090 --> 00:54:25,770 You've got karma 910 00:54:30,180 --> 00:54:35,220 There you go. Thank you very much. Baron. Killian, 911 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:43,410 yawn Leclerc and Luxembourg. Nice Luxembourg. Three 1402 A 912 00:54:43,410 --> 00:54:46,470 John Anam. Today's my birthday thought. What better way to 913 00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:51,690 celebrate being 35 then to become a sir. I'd like to so 914 00:54:51,690 --> 00:54:54,390 he's on the list for me. I don't think he's listed. 915 00:54:56,190 --> 00:54:58,440 I'll check. Keep going 916 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:06,810 I don't think he is. I like to be known as okay, sir quiz Jim 917 00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:11,700 G, queen, queen g boo, G boo. Oh, 918 00:55:12,210 --> 00:55:13,170 take a look at this 919 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,740 sir queasy jeep criegee Boo 920 00:55:20,129 --> 00:55:23,129 criegee boogy boo what does this mean? This has some meat you 921 00:55:23,129 --> 00:55:24,239 must know it I have no 922 00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:27,930 idea I have no I know Kobe UBoot nah this is not Dutch as far as 923 00:55:27,930 --> 00:55:31,380 I can tell. No I don't know what it is. 924 00:55:32,490 --> 00:55:36,750 Sir. Last December I asked for an exam and job karma and 925 00:55:36,750 --> 00:55:40,020 although it didn't work right away I am now set for life as a 926 00:55:40,020 --> 00:55:40,920 civil servant 927 00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,450 All right, we're on the gravy train with him John. 928 00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:51,810 Yeah, in less the good until the Civil War. Apparently this 929 00:55:51,810 --> 00:55:53,220 is a Simpsons joke. 930 00:55:54,540 --> 00:55:58,950 Please give me a housing and love karma as I have a crush on 931 00:55:58,950 --> 00:56:00,330 a cute coworker. 932 00:56:02,460 --> 00:56:06,000 Long live the best podcast in the universe. Okay, hope you get 933 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,880 lucky. You've got karma. Baba Baba. 934 00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,500 regenda would be our third executive producer for show 815 935 00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:23,580 indeedy. Richard Henderson in New Westminster BC 244 dot 44 936 00:56:23,790 --> 00:56:31,200 Hi, fellows, two dot 44 to 44 dot 44 is 233 dot 33 Plus and 937 00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:36,090 another 1111 for John's belated birthday. Ah by yourself 938 00:56:36,090 --> 00:56:40,050 something frilly? No note other than to say it was I don't know 939 00:56:40,050 --> 00:56:43,530 what this is no note other than to just say keep doing what 940 00:56:43,530 --> 00:56:46,320 you're doing. Adam Can you please play me three random 941 00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:51,060 clips preferably something you've not heard in ages. Thanks 942 00:56:51,060 --> 00:56:57,600 and 70 threes seven. Oh, gee, I guess 943 00:56:59,670 --> 00:57:01,650 something we haven't heard in ages. 944 00:57:02,010 --> 00:57:04,500 Original. He's alpha seven original gangster. 945 00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:12,660 He wants three the original gangster Okay, all right. Well 946 00:57:12,660 --> 00:57:14,580 do this was worth it. 947 00:57:15,060 --> 00:57:17,130 It was worth it. Got some 948 00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:20,580 distraction 949 00:57:28,530 --> 00:57:29,400 by iron Rand, 950 00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:33,750 you've got karma. See, we haven't had that in a long time. 951 00:57:34,980 --> 00:57:37,260 Okay, I have the Simpsons episode with squeegee bow if 952 00:57:37,260 --> 00:57:42,090 you're interested. Okay. Let's see what it is. Someone's Why is 953 00:57:42,090 --> 00:57:46,110 it not working? Here we go. Whoo. Hello. Hello. Oh, here we 954 00:57:46,110 --> 00:57:46,410 go. You 955 00:57:46,410 --> 00:57:48,570 get the karma. Karma. 956 00:57:53,910 --> 00:57:57,510 Oh, good. Anyone make a word out of these lousy letters. All 957 00:57:57,510 --> 00:58:02,310 right. Here's a good one. Do check out wait. 958 00:58:04,350 --> 00:58:06,510 That's boring. It's boring. And they tell you this from the 959 00:58:06,510 --> 00:58:10,890 first season sounds like it? No, it is because so homers voice 960 00:58:10,890 --> 00:58:14,850 change. Okay, Sir Chris beers in Austin, Texas right down the 961 00:58:14,850 --> 00:58:18,510 street from you to 2222 in the morning John and Adam has always 962 00:58:18,510 --> 00:58:20,430 wanted to thank you for your outstanding product and I hope 963 00:58:20,430 --> 00:58:23,370 this small bit of value for value finds you well, as this 964 00:58:23,370 --> 00:58:26,310 donation should elevate me to the level of Baronet. I feel 965 00:58:26,310 --> 00:58:30,510 entirely entitled to ask only two things. Firstly, all of this 966 00:58:30,510 --> 00:58:34,980 meetup talk when is there in one in Austin? You have a lot of 967 00:58:34,980 --> 00:58:38,970 people there yet we do. Probably pull in 30 people 968 00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:40,260 Yeah, I'm ready for it. 969 00:58:41,220 --> 00:58:45,660 Secondly, I beseech you for Charlie Rose and Lord DeVore X 970 00:58:45,660 --> 00:58:47,190 call for obedience. 971 00:58:47,730 --> 00:58:51,030 Tell me about this sexuality. It's in your DNA. 972 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:59,400 You've got karma I can read through the code. I got to Sir 973 00:58:59,400 --> 00:58:59,910 Chris. 974 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,550 There Nick of the South Side and Herndon, Virginia. Yay Virginia. 975 00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:10,200 Two or 345 Gentlemen fantastic shows of late I particularly 976 00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:14,250 enjoyed the apple update analysis. I'm going out to lost 977 00:59:14,250 --> 00:59:17,760 wages and would like some travel in gambling calm I'd also like 978 00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:23,190 to hear a Fletcher Putin LIFO and Obama a team keep up the 979 00:59:23,190 --> 00:59:27,570 good work Sir Nicholas outside life. 980 00:59:28,650 --> 00:59:31,200 There's a need for rescue mission. When the world is 981 00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:41,070 threatened. The world needs help. calls on America and 982 00:59:41,070 --> 00:59:41,850 that's the story. 983 00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:43,890 You've got karma. 984 00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:50,640 No be 12 needed today. I guess not. Oh, you know, just the 985 00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:55,920 billing. Turns out. What's the seed guy sells B 12. We are 986 00:59:55,920 --> 01:00:00,120 being we're being accused of creating a native ad for B 12. I 987 01:00:01,230 --> 01:00:07,200 see guy selling beats well yeah I have a funny seed guy clip. Oh 988 01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,380 good. I think we're just before we get to Stuart Morrison who 989 01:00:10,380 --> 01:00:16,590 was our last executive producer I think we should play it's 990 01:00:16,590 --> 01:00:19,050 called this is the Glenn Beck clip 991 01:00:20,580 --> 01:00:21,180 okay 992 01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,620 doesn't need any intro? No, no okay, 993 01:00:25,620 --> 01:00:28,410 so they're just pervy, you know, like Glenn Beck on national TV. 994 01:00:28,410 --> 01:00:32,220 That's when I became a Mormon. Second half second night live 995 01:00:32,250 --> 01:00:35,070 like giggle that were little perv sweater where it's just 996 01:00:35,070 --> 01:00:39,540 it's like, perv alert. People got gaydar man, I got perv are 997 01:00:40,110 --> 01:00:44,160 pervert are. And let me tell you that guy is a pervert have ever 998 01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:47,010 saw one. I don't know what he's perverting into. I'm not I don't 999 01:00:47,010 --> 01:00:49,350 know anything about it. I'm just gonna tell you right now, like 1000 01:00:49,350 --> 01:00:52,320 Glenn Beck and I had enough of it's not racist. It's fact. 1001 01:00:55,020 --> 01:00:56,340 Anyway, the RB 1002 01:00:56,340 --> 01:00:59,550 12 was given back I've got this thing going on where they just 1003 01:00:59,550 --> 01:01:01,380 go after each other pretty sad. 1004 01:01:01,380 --> 01:01:06,090 I know. I don't know what it is. Anyway, we're being accused on 1005 01:01:06,090 --> 01:01:09,900 the subreddit of providing a native ad for B 12. So could you 1006 01:01:09,900 --> 01:01:11,640 send my part of the check over please? 1007 01:01:11,700 --> 01:01:12,660 Where's our check? I'm 1008 01:01:12,660 --> 01:01:13,800 ready for the checker. Sorry, 1009 01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:14,340 check. 1010 01:01:15,029 --> 01:01:18,689 How many years they've had glow in the dark dogs you can buy 1011 01:01:18,719 --> 01:01:20,339 that are part jellyfish. 1012 01:01:24,150 --> 01:01:27,030 There's always hope, you know, before we did this, like I was 1013 01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:30,270 thinking it happened to us, quite honestly. And I know you 1014 01:01:30,300 --> 01:01:34,980 must have the same from time to time, I think to myself, self? 1015 01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,730 What if this went away? What would you do? Because you'd have 1016 01:01:38,730 --> 01:01:43,440 no money within a few weeks, you know, be broke. And yeah, be 1017 01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,600 very broke. Anything could happen. I don't know. We could 1018 01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,270 be shut down. You know, if I die. That's bad news for every 1019 01:01:48,270 --> 01:01:51,060 but for me super bad news. And you have you die. Bad news. For 1020 01:01:51,060 --> 01:01:53,880 me. It's all bad news for me, really. I have no career, I have 1021 01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:58,410 no savings. And then I realised I have nothing to worry about. 1022 01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:04,110 It hit me just watching all this TV, particularly the news 1023 01:02:04,110 --> 01:02:08,610 channels like I'm set by the time I'm 65. If I can hold in, 1024 01:02:08,820 --> 01:02:13,260 or hold on to it until I'm 65. I can sell reverse mortgages to 1025 01:02:13,260 --> 01:02:14,610 the MTV generation. 1026 01:02:18,060 --> 01:02:20,160 I've heard a lot about reverse mortgage. Let me 1027 01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:24,270 explain. I have this handy DVD. Maybe then the MTV generation 1028 01:02:24,270 --> 01:02:25,830 will be able to thumbdrive 1029 01:02:25,860 --> 01:02:29,340 Yeah. And before you do that, I will you want to I will show you 1030 01:02:29,340 --> 01:02:32,220 that that that half of that business that those guys are 1031 01:02:32,220 --> 01:02:35,340 doing is mailing lists. So we 1032 01:02:35,370 --> 01:02:38,280 so I have a mailing list to start with this is great news. 1033 01:02:38,490 --> 01:02:41,700 We can use the no agenda mailing list and I can sell reverse 1034 01:02:41,700 --> 01:02:44,850 mortgages. Yeah. So I'm not really 1035 01:02:46,740 --> 01:02:49,200 sure sit here. Wait, wait, by the way. Here's another one 1036 01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,990 you've got to put on the list. Apparently, if there's a 1037 01:02:51,990 --> 01:02:55,110 birthday, Eric spots the birthday and then he misses the 1038 01:02:55,110 --> 01:02:58,830 other bit. So why did all these nights having birthdays on the 1039 01:02:58,830 --> 01:03:01,170 same day as they want to they get their knighting Stewart and 1040 01:03:01,170 --> 01:03:04,110 Morrison in South Yarra Victoria, Australia to earn one 1041 01:03:04,110 --> 01:03:05,970 dollars. Hi, John takes me to knighthood. 1042 01:03:06,479 --> 01:03:09,929 Put him on the list. Okay, Stuart Morrison. Yeah, 1043 01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:14,370 I will send you an email with accounting. I am an orthopaedic 1044 01:03:14,370 --> 01:03:18,270 trainee from Melbourne, Melbourne. And I want to thank 1045 01:03:18,270 --> 01:03:21,510 you for eight years of quality. Wow, eight years of quality 1046 01:03:21,510 --> 01:03:24,720 listening is my 30th birthday on Monday. So he's been listening 1047 01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:28,590 since he's been since he was 22. And he stuck with us. He's not a 1048 01:03:28,590 --> 01:03:33,030 man overboard or anything like that. Not great. And I thought 1049 01:03:33,060 --> 01:03:35,910 this would be an ideal way to celebrate it. And it took him 1050 01:03:35,910 --> 01:03:40,650 eight years to become a night. See, so, you know, I'm very I'm 1051 01:03:40,650 --> 01:03:43,020 proud. I love hearing a lot along you don't have to do it 1052 01:03:43,020 --> 01:03:46,740 all at once. Although it's cool when you do. See you at a meet 1053 01:03:46,740 --> 01:03:50,040 up soon. The rest assured I'm stockpiling decent wines for 1054 01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:51,870 when you finally make it down under. 1055 01:03:52,230 --> 01:03:57,780 Hey, yeah, so this was funny. I said to Tina, I said, Hey, you 1056 01:03:57,780 --> 01:04:00,540 want to run away for a year? She said yeah, okay, my lease is up 1057 01:04:00,540 --> 01:04:03,420 in September. kind of left it at that, but I'm just saying you 1058 01:04:03,420 --> 01:04:03,990 never know. 1059 01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:07,350 But you can do the show from Australia. Who do you imagine 1060 01:04:07,350 --> 01:04:11,580 if we just took off and just toured the world? Oh my god, how 1061 01:04:11,610 --> 01:04:14,460 awesome would that be? And I say I don't use that word lightly. 1062 01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,610 You and Mike Elgin you can meet up okay. 1063 01:04:17,790 --> 01:04:21,030 All right. That sounds that was a great idea. I guess I'm just 1064 01:04:21,030 --> 01:04:24,420 staying here in Austin. Thanks, John. Yeah, you you are hotspots 1065 01:04:24,420 --> 01:04:27,210 around the world if you go visit him and that's why they call you 1066 01:04:27,210 --> 01:04:32,280 the Buzzkill. You might even run into him on the road. 1067 01:04:32,549 --> 01:04:38,489 No ser. No, no, no, no, no. 1068 01:04:38,580 --> 01:04:39,840 What are you doing? 1069 01:04:39,900 --> 01:04:44,820 You feel garantie varanda Hey, Fancy meeting you in Doha? 1070 01:04:45,450 --> 01:04:47,490 Exactly. No, but I thought it was a 1071 01:04:47,490 --> 01:04:51,330 good idea. All right, well give give us Stewart a shot at karma 1072 01:04:51,330 --> 01:04:55,680 for being loyal oil. Karma. 1073 01:04:56,460 --> 01:04:58,080 I would love to do that. 1074 01:04:58,110 --> 01:05:01,230 I would love it. It could you could Yeah, but she 1075 01:05:01,230 --> 01:05:03,540 has to she would have to give up her job, you know, is this not 1076 01:05:03,540 --> 01:05:06,960 something you just do? Or she would have to, you know, genius 1077 01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:07,410 come up with 1078 01:05:07,470 --> 01:05:09,990 me if we're very income increased a little bit here on 1079 01:05:09,990 --> 01:05:14,040 this show you could afford it. Let's, let's remind people, we 1080 01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:18,180 do have a show coming up next Thursday divorce.org/and. A, we 1081 01:05:18,180 --> 01:05:21,510 might want to take out I've been trying to promote the $33.33 of 1082 01:05:21,690 --> 01:05:25,140 subscriptions. But 1111 is fine. There's all and they're all on 1083 01:05:25,140 --> 01:05:28,680 the newsletter, or the sorry, the we're on the support page of 1084 01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:32,640 org.org/and. A, yes. We'll get it together here. And as 1085 01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,890 we usually like to tell people, these credits, the ones that we 1086 01:05:34,890 --> 01:05:37,200 do at the beginning of the show, our executive producers, our 1087 01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:40,080 Associate Executive producers, go ahead, look at any of the TV 1088 01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:43,770 shows now Amazon has their their new shows out, you'll see who 1089 01:05:43,770 --> 01:05:47,700 created it been in this case show in Amazon's case, a lot of 1090 01:05:47,700 --> 01:05:50,070 celebrities who are producing, which really means they don't 1091 01:05:50,070 --> 01:05:52,620 have to bring in money per se, but they probably do, they 1092 01:05:52,620 --> 01:05:56,520 probably do. So these producers, you get right up front, you get 1093 01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:59,460 the credit, it's real and accepted wherever credits are 1094 01:05:59,460 --> 01:06:01,770 recognised. And as John said, we have another show coming up. 1095 01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:05,730 Yeah. And in the movie business, the people that are producers, 1096 01:06:05,940 --> 01:06:09,090 executive producers generally almost always have something to 1097 01:06:09,090 --> 01:06:12,810 do with the money TV. It's mixed case. dieters, and who knows 1098 01:06:12,810 --> 01:06:13,680 what? Yeah. 1099 01:06:13,950 --> 01:06:17,370 So instead of, you know, hooking up with actors and actresses, 1100 01:06:17,370 --> 01:06:20,730 and doing coke and hanging out with them, we give you karma. 1101 01:06:22,290 --> 01:06:25,050 Now, which would you rather have just better, it's much, much 1102 01:06:25,050 --> 01:06:30,210 better here. One for everybody just for the nose? For the nose, 1103 01:06:31,710 --> 01:06:36,780 or slash? And maybe you don't have any talent for creating 1104 01:06:36,780 --> 01:06:39,000 stuff, you can always help us by propagating the formula 1105 01:06:39,270 --> 01:06:53,940 is this. We go out. We hit people in the mouth citizen shut 1106 01:06:56,010 --> 01:07:00,030 up, shut up. Shut up, slave Shut up. Just shut up. 1107 01:07:00,750 --> 01:07:01,530 Don't laugh. 1108 01:07:02,310 --> 01:07:08,790 Did you hear about kinda wish I had done this. Talk. We just I 1109 01:07:08,790 --> 01:07:12,090 think just we were talking about the security, you know, the Iron 1110 01:07:12,090 --> 01:07:17,190 Mountain stuff and all that. The way radio stations are set up 1111 01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:21,330 these days, certainly top 40 radio stations ever since, you 1112 01:07:21,330 --> 01:07:24,720 know, Clear Channel bought I Heart Radio. And then they 1113 01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,180 became iHeart Radio and you know, there was a leveraged 1114 01:07:27,180 --> 01:07:30,270 buyout. And so, you know, this is a company that's about to 1115 01:07:30,270 --> 01:07:34,620 fall over that owns close to 900 radio stations across America. 1116 01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:38,430 They thanks to Bill Clinton. It Well, it 1117 01:07:38,430 --> 01:07:41,880 was the number of people. Bob Pittman is running it who of 1118 01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:42,180 course, 1119 01:07:42,180 --> 01:07:45,630 no, I mean, they passed the laws that allowed us to get out of 1120 01:07:45,630 --> 01:07:46,800 control for the media 1121 01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,950 laws. Yeah, ownership laws. Yeah, yeah, of course. Well, it 1122 01:07:49,950 --> 01:07:53,700 was. But nice side note is that it was a leveraged buyout from 1123 01:07:53,700 --> 01:07:57,120 Bain Capital, which of course, is Romney's company. So this 1124 01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:00,360 place Oh is $27 billion. Bob Pittman has always competent 1125 01:08:00,390 --> 01:08:02,940 compensation tied to company performance. So he's freaking 1126 01:08:02,940 --> 01:08:06,720 out, because they can't service the debt. So the, it's not if 1127 01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:10,080 they're gonna fall over, it's win. But you have to cut costs 1128 01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:13,290 and cut corners. What they did is, you know, we've been looking 1129 01:08:13,290 --> 01:08:16,740 at the death of radio, it's been a very, very slow drowning and 1130 01:08:16,740 --> 01:08:20,340 it'll take another decade though, blah, blah. It's total 1131 01:08:20,340 --> 01:08:23,850 blub, blub, blub. Um, so, you know, they take one morning guy, 1132 01:08:23,850 --> 01:08:27,630 put him in a studio and have him talk to five different markets 1133 01:08:27,630 --> 01:08:30,180 at the same time. And all this goes to, you know, studio 1134 01:08:30,180 --> 01:08:33,870 transmitter links. And these of course, are they used to be 1135 01:08:33,870 --> 01:08:36,540 little low power transmitters that would transmit the signal 1136 01:08:36,540 --> 01:08:39,540 from the station up to the big transmitter tower on the on the 1137 01:08:39,540 --> 01:08:43,500 hill or whatever you have. These days. It's all done by Internet 1138 01:08:43,500 --> 01:08:47,370 and someone hacked in to a number of these studio 1139 01:08:47,370 --> 01:08:52,920 transmitter links of the KSC X Radio Group, which has a I think 1140 01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:56,250 it was it was six or seven different radio stations. And 1141 01:08:56,310 --> 01:08:59,100 the hack was so good. They they hacked in and started playing 1142 01:08:59,100 --> 01:09:04,200 porn. Just audio for and they kept going for several hours 1143 01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:08,130 because the dudes named Ben had to go out to the to the actual 1144 01:09:08,130 --> 01:09:09,510 transmitter station. 1145 01:09:10,050 --> 01:09:12,450 Never do they never like to do that. Yeah, they 1146 01:09:12,450 --> 01:09:15,750 do it once a month to go check the equipment. But man, what a 1147 01:09:15,750 --> 01:09:19,080 great hack. We're gonna have so many of these opportunities. Oh, 1148 01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:19,440 yeah, 1149 01:09:19,470 --> 01:09:21,660 that is a good that's a good that's one of those. Oh, that 1150 01:09:21,660 --> 01:09:22,620 what a great idea. 1151 01:09:22,650 --> 01:09:24,690 We should do something like that. We're gonna have a lot 1152 01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,140 to do political stuff. There's all kinds of ways what things 1153 01:09:28,140 --> 01:09:31,590 you get spammed but no porn, which typical. 1154 01:09:31,620 --> 01:09:33,900 I know. That's the sad part. That's the sad Yeah, 1155 01:09:33,900 --> 01:09:35,820 well, the money Yeah. 1156 01:09:36,390 --> 01:09:38,850 So first of all, I think there's this going to be a fungus 1157 01:09:38,850 --> 01:09:41,670 among us for four hours on them because among us, 1158 01:09:42,030 --> 01:09:42,390 yeah, 1159 01:09:43,140 --> 01:09:45,690 we're just play the no agenda show. I'm just saying what a 1160 01:09:45,690 --> 01:09:46,740 great little idea that 1161 01:09:46,740 --> 01:09:49,650 would be I wouldn't be bad and we got nothing to do with it. 1162 01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:52,920 No, of course not. We're just suggesting what would be cool. 1163 01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:53,490 That's all 1164 01:09:53,550 --> 01:09:57,090 it would be cool. But you know, again, we discourage it. Yeah, 1165 01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:04,650 we don't. Okay, okay. A okay. Just thought it was nice. 1166 01:10:05,130 --> 01:10:08,370 It was so good. I didn't know that that happened. They kept a 1167 01:10:08,670 --> 01:10:11,760 lot of the news I collected today because I went in this is 1168 01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:13,770 some democracy now once in a while they get on a roll and it 1169 01:10:13,770 --> 01:10:17,520 gets a lot of these stories that nobody, nobody covers. It's and 1170 01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:23,460 even when PBS again, when PBS covered the Panama Papers, they 1171 01:10:23,460 --> 01:10:28,290 did a poor job and listen to this shallow PBS news. I missed 1172 01:10:28,290 --> 01:10:32,520 the Fast and Furious scandal clip of a PBS I'm thinking this 1173 01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:34,920 was the could be one of the most important news stories they 1174 01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:37,680 don't even bother going into. They just make this 1175 01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:38,580 announcement. 1176 01:10:38,670 --> 01:10:42,210 The Obama administration today turned over 1000s of documents 1177 01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:46,680 on Operation Fast and Furious. They involve a gun running 1178 01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:50,610 investigation that may have let Mexican drug gangs get their 1179 01:10:50,610 --> 01:10:54,600 hands on 2000 weapons. House Republicans demanded the 1180 01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:58,080 documents four years ago that the President claimed executive 1181 01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:02,160 privilege. In January a federal judge rejected that claim. 1182 01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,700 Yeah, it seems like the Obama administration is trying to 1183 01:11:05,700 --> 01:11:09,750 clean house a bit. Just get some stuff. Yeah, get some stuff out, 1184 01:11:09,810 --> 01:11:13,830 sweep this away, get that done. Maybe trying to get some news 1185 01:11:13,830 --> 01:11:17,010 and focus it away from whatever's going on with the 1186 01:11:17,010 --> 01:11:23,940 Panama Papers. Now, who knows? Who knows? It's one of the 1187 01:11:23,940 --> 01:11:25,830 oddest things we've ever seen. I'd say, 1188 01:11:26,580 --> 01:11:29,760 Well, this thing here because no one's gonna follow up now. I 1189 01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:33,030 mean, it's like another screwball story got and put them 1190 01:11:33,030 --> 01:11:36,360 screwball stories. And today, we're actually assuming Oh, 1191 01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:40,320 yeah, here's here's one. This is a play this clip. This is a clip 1192 01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:43,590 that should have gotten more ink or ink and play but it didn't. 1193 01:11:44,610 --> 01:11:48,960 Triple tap drone strike. Listen to this horrible story. 1194 01:11:49,019 --> 01:11:52,979 Afghan officials say at least 17 civilians were killed by US 1195 01:11:52,979 --> 01:11:56,279 drone strikes in Afghanistan Wednesday. The first strike 1196 01:11:56,279 --> 01:11:59,969 reportedly hit the truck of a local elder who is on his way to 1197 01:11:59,969 --> 01:12:03,959 resolve a land dispute killing the elder and 11 others. The 1198 01:12:03,959 --> 01:12:07,349 second drone reportedly struck and killed two people who are 1199 01:12:07,349 --> 01:12:11,069 collecting their bodies. A third drone strike reportedly killed 1200 01:12:11,069 --> 01:12:13,739 three more who'd come to see what had happened. The 1201 01:12:13,739 --> 01:12:16,979 Pentagon's confirmed two of the three drone strikes, but says 1202 01:12:16,979 --> 01:12:18,959 there were no civilian casualties. 1203 01:12:19,860 --> 01:12:22,860 Yeah, I was thinking about this. Yeah. Especially since the 1204 01:12:22,860 --> 01:12:25,740 President on the last show, we played the clip where he, for 1205 01:12:25,740 --> 01:12:28,470 the first time, as far as we know, just said, Hey, you 1206 01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:32,040 sometimes we kill civilians? Oops. Yeah, I'm sorry. I didn't 1207 01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:33,810 even say I'm sorry. Just sometimes we kill civilians. 1208 01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:39,750 Here's the question, though, is here's the question. With all of 1209 01:12:39,750 --> 01:12:43,740 these terrorist attacks in France and Belgium, in San 1210 01:12:43,740 --> 01:12:48,090 Bernardino, we love we love having conversations 1211 01:12:48,180 --> 01:12:52,530 conversation in this country or dish countries conversation. why 1212 01:12:52,530 --> 01:12:56,760 don't why did he stop the conversation about why the 1213 01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:01,710 terrorists are doing this? Do we still remember why? 1214 01:13:03,420 --> 01:13:06,750 They hate us? They hate our demand. No. cracy and our 1215 01:13:06,750 --> 01:13:09,150 freedom? Yeah, that's the reason that's what they told us. 1216 01:13:09,690 --> 01:13:12,630 No, they hate No. We've heard very clearly they hate us 1217 01:13:12,630 --> 01:13:14,160 because we're killing them. 1218 01:13:15,540 --> 01:13:17,370 Oh, I guess that could be 1219 01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:22,140 Yeah. Shouldn't we have that conversation? It's never brought 1220 01:13:22,140 --> 01:13:25,650 up again. Just pay attention to it. Never do you hear? Hey, why 1221 01:13:25,650 --> 01:13:28,560 are they doing this? Oh, I forgot. Why are they doing this? 1222 01:13:28,830 --> 01:13:31,740 Because I think if you say because they hate our democracy 1223 01:13:31,740 --> 01:13:33,930 and way of life. I think you'd be laughed off television. If 1224 01:13:33,930 --> 01:13:38,490 you said it. They say it. No, I have no that this conversation 1225 01:13:38,490 --> 01:13:41,970 doesn't take place anymore. They do not say that anymore. Find me 1226 01:13:41,970 --> 01:13:44,340 a recent clip where they where it says oh, you hate our 1227 01:13:44,340 --> 01:13:47,670 freedoms. We know. We know. It's not religion. John, we know it's 1228 01:13:47,670 --> 01:13:50,430 not religion. It's not Islamist terrorism. We know that because 1229 01:13:50,460 --> 01:13:53,670 that's what we keep hearing. You can't day Hey, you've 1230 01:13:53,700 --> 01:13:56,970 islamophobe No, it's not about Islam. Okay, what is it then? 1231 01:13:59,910 --> 01:14:04,530 Well, I've got a bunch of clips. You just kind of I will that I 1232 01:14:04,530 --> 01:14:07,290 was gonna put into bands, but I may have to play them now. 1233 01:14:07,290 --> 01:14:11,460 Because you brought this up, okay. And this is a guy who 1234 01:14:11,460 --> 01:14:15,240 wrote a new This guy used to be a colonel in the army. He's, 1235 01:14:15,330 --> 01:14:19,530 he's a professor and he wrote his new book, base of itches his 1236 01:14:19,530 --> 01:14:22,740 name and, and he was on Democracy Now. And one of the 1237 01:14:22,740 --> 01:14:26,370 few things democracy now does well, is they bring people on 1238 01:14:26,370 --> 01:14:28,890 who just wrote a book that of course, it is always long, it's 1239 01:14:28,890 --> 01:14:32,850 always Yeah, of course. It has an angle to it. But they have 1240 01:14:32,850 --> 01:14:35,880 actually a deeper conversation than most people do, including 1241 01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:41,010 Charlie Rose. And who likes to have to talk about later but 1242 01:14:41,310 --> 01:14:44,220 just see if you can how much you want to put up with this. But 1243 01:14:44,220 --> 01:14:46,800 here's Bacevich Part One intro 1244 01:14:46,980 --> 01:14:50,670 US war in the Middle East as the subject of a new book by a 1245 01:14:50,670 --> 01:14:54,630 retired Army Colonel Andrew Bacevich, titled America's war 1246 01:14:54,630 --> 01:14:58,020 for the greater Middle East a military history. In the book 1247 01:14:58,050 --> 01:15:01,290 Bacevich argues the United States has been involved in 1248 01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:05,400 gigantic failed war with the Middle East since the 1980s. 1249 01:15:05,460 --> 01:15:08,190 That continues today with no end in sight. 1250 01:15:08,250 --> 01:15:10,980 In this new book, Andrew Bacevich writes, quote, as an 1251 01:15:10,980 --> 01:15:14,190 American who cares deeply about the fate of his country, I 1252 01:15:14,190 --> 01:15:17,670 should state plainly my own assessment of this ongoing war, 1253 01:15:17,820 --> 01:15:22,560 now well into its fourth decade, we have not won it. We are not 1254 01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:26,370 winning it simply trying harder is unlikely to produce a 1255 01:15:26,370 --> 01:15:29,520 different outcome. Andrew Bacevich is Professor Emeritus 1256 01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:32,340 of international relations and history at Boston University, 1257 01:15:32,340 --> 01:15:35,430 also author of several other books, including Washington 1258 01:15:35,430 --> 01:15:39,150 rules, America's path to permanent war, his son was 1259 01:15:39,150 --> 01:15:43,080 killed in action in Iraq in 2007. Professor Bacevich, 1260 01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:45,480 welcome back to Democracy Now. It's great to have you with us. 1261 01:15:45,900 --> 01:15:50,310 We will prevail, George HW Bush, we will prevail, his son, George 1262 01:15:50,310 --> 01:15:53,700 W. Bush, we will prevail. President Obama, have we 1263 01:15:53,700 --> 01:15:55,020 prevailed in any way? 1264 01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:58,050 Well, we haven't. And I have to say those are exquisitely chosen 1265 01:15:58,410 --> 01:16:03,540 clips, because they really do illustrate what's the point of 1266 01:16:03,540 --> 01:16:10,470 my book, and that is that we have been engaged militarily in 1267 01:16:10,590 --> 01:16:14,310 the greater Middle East, large parts of the Islamic world for 1268 01:16:14,310 --> 01:16:18,660 going on for decades. We've engaged in innumerable 1269 01:16:18,750 --> 01:16:24,600 interventions, large, small, brief, protracted, and we have 1270 01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:29,340 yet to come anywhere close to achieving our aims, whether 1271 01:16:29,340 --> 01:16:32,250 whether we define our aims as restoring stability, or 1272 01:16:32,250 --> 01:16:37,320 promoting democracy or reducing the prevalence of anti 1273 01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:42,180 Americanism. It's not happening, and arguably, our military 1274 01:16:42,180 --> 01:16:44,040 efforts are actually making things worse. 1275 01:16:44,190 --> 01:16:50,370 Okay. Thank you. Well, that's clear. Did AMY GOODMAN say, 1276 01:16:50,910 --> 01:16:52,800 well, maybe we should stop killing people. Maybe the 1277 01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:54,450 terrorism would slow down a bit. 1278 01:16:56,580 --> 01:17:00,390 What I would actually expect her to say was, Well, this has what 1279 01:17:00,390 --> 01:17:01,590 to do with global warming. 1280 01:17:05,370 --> 01:17:08,370 How does that fit in again, how can I back it in? How can I back 1281 01:17:08,370 --> 01:17:09,240 global warming into 1282 01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:12,090 this? Didn't manage to do that, which is a stunner, 1283 01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:15,240 although Zika is now being backed into that here. And oh, 1284 01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:17,970 yeah. In the States? Yeah. Is the Zika virus, we have to be 1285 01:17:17,970 --> 01:17:21,150 cognizant of global warming because it makes the Zika virus 1286 01:17:21,150 --> 01:17:26,280 grow. I want to hear a little more like this guy. Sure. 1287 01:17:26,310 --> 01:17:27,780 Definitely. Alright, let's play part two. 1288 01:17:28,410 --> 01:17:33,930 But interestingly, as you point out, before 1980, virtually no 1289 01:17:33,930 --> 01:17:36,780 American soldier had ever been killed in any kind of military 1290 01:17:36,780 --> 01:17:40,410 action in that part of the world. And since 1980, very few 1291 01:17:40,410 --> 01:17:44,400 have been killed, who were not in that part of the world. This 1292 01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:48,810 shift that occurred from the Middle East being largely an 1293 01:17:48,810 --> 01:17:52,470 area of influence or control by the European colonial powers to 1294 01:17:52,470 --> 01:17:55,920 the United States exercising such a huge role. How did that 1295 01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:56,250 happen? 1296 01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:02,640 Well, we Americans have forgotten. But prior to the 1297 01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:06,240 beginning of the Cold War, the United States was not a great 1298 01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:10,440 military power. We raised forces from time to time to deal with 1299 01:18:10,440 --> 01:18:13,950 some particular issue. But it was in the wake of the Cold War 1300 01:18:13,950 --> 01:18:18,090 that we as a nation decided on a permanent basis to maintain a 1301 01:18:18,090 --> 01:18:21,900 large military establishment. For the first several decades of 1302 01:18:21,900 --> 01:18:24,900 that cold war. The United States had two priorities. We were 1303 01:18:24,900 --> 01:18:27,330 willing to fight for Western Europe, we were willing to fight 1304 01:18:27,330 --> 01:18:32,040 did fight in East Asia, we were not willing to fight for the 1305 01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:36,690 Middle East that changes in 1980. Specifically, a particular 1306 01:18:36,690 --> 01:18:41,370 moment, in January of 1980. President Jimmy Carter in his 1307 01:18:41,370 --> 01:18:44,400 State of the smartphone, promulgates what's known as the 1308 01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:45,210 Carter doctrine. 1309 01:18:45,690 --> 01:18:48,240 We actually have a clip on that we'd like to go to that now. 1310 01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:52,500 This is Jimmy Carter January 23 1980. Delivering the State of 1311 01:18:52,500 --> 01:18:56,070 the Union address you mentioned lay now what would later become 1312 01:18:56,070 --> 01:18:57,570 known as the Carter doctrine. 1313 01:18:58,650 --> 01:19:05,850 Let our position be absolutely clear and attempt by any outside 1314 01:19:05,850 --> 01:19:11,040 force to gain control of the Persian Gulf region will be 1315 01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,950 regarded as an assault on the vital interest of the United 1316 01:19:13,950 --> 01:19:26,550 States of America nice work for a Democrat and such an assault 1317 01:19:26,550 --> 01:19:30,480 will be repelled by any means necessary including military 1318 01:19:30,480 --> 01:19:30,930 force. 1319 01:19:33,090 --> 01:19:36,150 Okay, so it was Carter who identified Democrat who started 1320 01:19:36,150 --> 01:19:40,440 that yeah, oh, no one knows but actually the reason why we have 1321 01:19:40,440 --> 01:19:44,250 terrorists is because of George W. Bush. That's that's that's 1322 01:19:44,250 --> 01:19:47,340 really the answer. Earliest JIMMY CARTER Yeah, turns out it 1323 01:19:47,340 --> 01:19:50,130 turns out Jimmy Carter was the was the first to throw down the 1324 01:19:50,130 --> 01:19:51,420 gauntlet. I didn't know that. 1325 01:19:51,750 --> 01:19:54,750 Yeah. Jimmy Carter's also, if you start looking into it are 1326 01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:58,680 responsible for the homeless situation in this country 1327 01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:01,290 because of some law changes that took place because there wasn't 1328 01:20:01,290 --> 01:20:04,770 a homeless problem before he came around. Really? Yeah, it 1329 01:20:04,770 --> 01:20:09,120 had to do with the with the sort of lending process or some there 1330 01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:12,900 was some specific thing. And it's been discussed before by 1331 01:20:12,900 --> 01:20:15,750 some of these guys. I just don't remember the details, but it 1332 01:20:15,750 --> 01:20:17,160 would traces back to Carter. 1333 01:20:18,030 --> 01:20:20,670 So we did okay, exacerbated by we did not have enough where 1334 01:20:20,670 --> 01:20:21,930 there were no homeless people. 1335 01:20:22,980 --> 01:20:26,910 There was it wasn't a homelessness that the way it is 1336 01:20:26,910 --> 01:20:29,220 now, where there's people all over the place, begging for 1337 01:20:29,220 --> 01:20:35,970 money was not a problem. Until Carter came along, and then it 1338 01:20:35,970 --> 01:20:38,550 started to become a problem. And then it became something people 1339 01:20:38,550 --> 01:20:41,730 focused on that if you remember that my favourite event was 1340 01:20:42,090 --> 01:20:43,590 hands across America. 1341 01:20:44,190 --> 01:20:47,970 I love that one. We got to I don't know, do we get to Peoria? 1342 01:20:47,970 --> 01:20:48,300 I don't. I 1343 01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:52,470 went across the country with a few gaps. Yeah. And it was I met 1344 01:20:52,470 --> 01:20:56,550 the guy, some dinner party egg Obama by the bought party as 1345 01:20:56,730 --> 01:21:00,870 years and years ago, obviously, in the 70s. I think 80s I was at 1346 01:21:00,870 --> 01:21:05,850 dinner with this guy who did and I got a little pin and lapel 1347 01:21:05,850 --> 01:21:08,850 pin. And they were dead serious. It was going to dis was going to 1348 01:21:08,850 --> 01:21:11,520 solve the homeless problem. And we've heard this over and over 1349 01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:13,830 again. I mean, it's just ridiculous. 1350 01:21:15,630 --> 01:21:18,000 Well, I'd like to I'd like to find out what that is. I'm 1351 01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:20,220 definitely gonna do some research on it. I'd like that. I 1352 01:21:20,220 --> 01:21:21,120 know what that's going. Yeah. 1353 01:21:21,150 --> 01:21:24,600 Then, of course, then when Clinton came around, again, gave 1354 01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:27,360 the bank's free rein to do anything they wanted to and let 1355 01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:30,750 the economy go to hell. Yeah. And it was even though we had a 1356 01:21:30,780 --> 01:21:34,680 balanced budget, that was the end of that surplus. Yeah. It 1357 01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:37,020 was they wanted to play a little more of this guy. Yeah, it's 1358 01:21:37,020 --> 01:21:40,140 good with me. Sure. I think it's interesting. Yeah, Bacevich 1359 01:21:40,140 --> 01:21:41,490 three was one 1360 01:21:41,490 --> 01:21:43,350 of the one of the things to appreciate it. Thank is it 1361 01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:45,750 Carter himself had no understanding of the 1362 01:21:45,750 --> 01:21:52,530 implications that would flow from that statement. What 1363 01:21:52,590 --> 01:21:56,880 happens on an immediate basis is that the national security 1364 01:21:56,880 --> 01:22:02,370 bureaucracy now redefines its priorities, and begins to orient 1365 01:22:02,370 --> 01:22:07,200 itself toward the possibility of armed intervention by US forces 1366 01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:10,230 in the region. And over the course of the next 10 years, 1367 01:22:10,380 --> 01:22:16,350 that process begins. Reagan sending peacekeepers into into 1368 01:22:16,620 --> 01:22:22,650 Lebanon, the initial jousting with Colonel Qaddafi in Libya, 1369 01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:28,410 support for Saddam Hussein of all people in what I refer to as 1370 01:22:28,410 --> 01:22:34,110 the first Gulf War. That's the Gulf War of 1983 88. Pitting 1371 01:22:34,110 --> 01:22:38,190 Iraq against Iran, with the United States coming to the aid 1372 01:22:38,220 --> 01:22:43,620 of of Iraq. So Carter starts the process of militarising US 1373 01:22:43,620 --> 01:22:50,940 policy, which, over time, deepens, becomes more frequent, 1374 01:22:51,300 --> 01:22:55,050 becomes more ambitious, and becomes more more costly. 1375 01:22:55,470 --> 01:22:58,650 Bringing us to where we are today in 2016, where we continue 1376 01:22:58,650 --> 01:23:01,320 to hear these speeches by presidents who insisting and 1377 01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:05,220 insisting that we will prevail, when obviously, we have not, 1378 01:23:05,700 --> 01:23:09,750 oh, man, this is good. It's surprising the democracy now had 1379 01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:11,070 this guy on for so long. 1380 01:23:12,510 --> 01:23:14,970 They do that once in a while. And it's always surprising to me 1381 01:23:14,970 --> 01:23:18,480 too. And there's yours too. And I cut a lot of this out. But 1382 01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:21,930 here's the wrap up, which is part four, which actually, to me 1383 01:23:21,930 --> 01:23:25,440 is it's got a couple of zingers in there that I just think are 1384 01:23:25,440 --> 01:23:26,010 interesting, 1385 01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:30,810 again, as a war for oil. I mean, the proximate trigger of 1386 01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:36,300 Carter's speech was the Iranian Revolution, which had produced 1387 01:23:36,300 --> 01:23:40,680 the second oil shock of the 1970s, combined with the Soviet 1388 01:23:40,710 --> 01:23:45,810 intervention in Afghanistan, which in Washington raised fears 1389 01:23:45,810 --> 01:23:49,560 that I mean, there are bizarre notions but raise fears that the 1390 01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:53,460 Soviets were going to march across Iran and, and attack 1391 01:23:53,490 --> 01:23:58,170 Saudi Arabia. So so at a time, when we were increasingly 1392 01:23:58,170 --> 01:24:01,590 dependent upon foreign oil to include oil from the Persian 1393 01:24:01,590 --> 01:24:06,480 Gulf, yes, we decided to fight for the region. But I argue that 1394 01:24:06,480 --> 01:24:09,390 there really was much more at stake than simply access to oil. 1395 01:24:09,990 --> 01:24:15,660 That in the context of the times, the war for the greater 1396 01:24:15,660 --> 01:24:20,400 Middle East really becomes an effort to refute the notion that 1397 01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:24,000 the United States is a country that has to take to accept 1398 01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:28,770 limits to affirm the claim of American exceptionalism of our 1399 01:24:28,770 --> 01:24:32,820 uniqueness of our of our special status in history in in the 1400 01:24:32,820 --> 01:24:35,640 world at large. Yeah, we're Monday holes. 1401 01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:39,450 Yeah, well, they're an element does does. That's quite an 1402 01:24:39,450 --> 01:24:39,930 element of 1403 01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:41,400 a wholeness in there. 1404 01:24:42,930 --> 01:24:43,950 My goodness. 1405 01:24:46,530 --> 01:24:50,610 That's a dead end. Yeah. Oh, here's another here's another 1406 01:24:50,610 --> 01:24:53,040 story. So this is kind of related to this. Here's the 1407 01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:57,900 story that again, no network, big shots. Nobody's playing this 1408 01:24:57,900 --> 01:25:01,290 story. Again, Democracy Now. picked it up because this is 1409 01:25:01,290 --> 01:25:03,930 perfect for them. They love this sort of story, but play this 1410 01:25:03,930 --> 01:25:06,120 clip which is slightly disgusting. This is the 1411 01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:09,090 rebuilding Afghanistan failure clip 1412 01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:13,020 a US Oversight Office has issued a damning report indicating the 1413 01:25:13,020 --> 01:25:17,190 100 $13 billion effort to reconstruct Afghanistan has 1414 01:25:17,190 --> 01:25:21,030 largely been a failure. The report details shoddily built 1415 01:25:21,030 --> 01:25:24,330 structures, dangerous roads, hundreds of empty schools, the 1416 01:25:24,330 --> 01:25:27,930 US Special Inspector General for Afghanistan reconstruction, John 1417 01:25:27,930 --> 01:25:31,710 Sopko, who is responsible for the report said, quote, 15 years 1418 01:25:31,710 --> 01:25:34,800 into an unfinished work of funding and fighting, we must 1419 01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:38,910 indeed ask what went wrong? Since 2002, the US has spent 1420 01:25:38,910 --> 01:25:42,960 more than $113 billion on reconstruction efforts, more 1421 01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:46,500 than the total spending on the Marshall plan to rebuild Europe 1422 01:25:46,530 --> 01:25:47,640 after World War Two. 1423 01:25:48,930 --> 01:25:52,110 How much was it John 1300, and 1424 01:25:52,110 --> 01:25:55,620 13 billion and all they got was some shanties and lean twos. 1425 01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:59,340 The apparently oldest schools, nobody's going into the schools. 1426 01:26:00,210 --> 01:26:05,280 In a row, this guy is sick. They won't fix you're on highway 80. 1427 01:26:06,330 --> 01:26:10,470 You know, along those lines, we also there was a $3 billion 1428 01:26:10,470 --> 01:26:15,540 dollar effort. That is not complete yet. The United States 1429 01:26:15,570 --> 01:26:21,210 USA ID has been paying for a wall to be built between Tunisia 1430 01:26:21,210 --> 01:26:22,800 and Libya. Yes, I 1431 01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:26,850 know. I've heard this. She's been his best. Very funny. 1432 01:26:26,850 --> 01:26:27,570 They're doing that. 1433 01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,780 Yeah, we're paying for it. And it's an actual wall. Because 1434 01:26:30,780 --> 01:26:35,010 yeah, we got the although if you look to the left, but I think 1435 01:26:35,010 --> 01:26:38,370 the real problem to us you will have is Algeria, that that's the 1436 01:26:38,370 --> 01:26:42,960 whole length of their country that borders on Algeria. I'd say 1437 01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:46,530 that's, that's a little more frightening. But what they 1438 01:26:46,530 --> 01:26:50,700 really don't want is they don't want ISIS I S dash is it 1439 01:26:50,700 --> 01:26:56,850 whatever I saw coming through their border with Libya, and 1440 01:26:56,850 --> 01:27:00,930 going on, I guess, populating Tunisia. Bam, we're paying for 1441 01:27:00,930 --> 01:27:05,280 that. So 100 and 13 billion. Where's the outrage? 1442 01:27:06,180 --> 01:27:08,490 They don't play the story. Nobody can be outraged because 1443 01:27:08,490 --> 01:27:13,200 nobody knows. This is crazy. This is a government report. And 1444 01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:16,890 the only news outlet depleted eating and I'm including Darche 1445 01:27:16,890 --> 01:27:21,630 of Allah and France 24 and all these other outlets have been 1446 01:27:21,630 --> 01:27:23,520 listening to I haven't been listening to China News that 1447 01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:28,950 much would they might be playing it. CNN witters or CCN or 1448 01:27:28,950 --> 01:27:32,970 whatever it's called. Democracy Now plays it because it's you 1449 01:27:32,970 --> 01:27:36,780 know, perfect Yeah, that's their model which is the slam the 1450 01:27:36,780 --> 01:27:41,280 country they really not pro American by any means. So they 1451 01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:43,650 play it and that seems like an odd thing that everyone should 1452 01:27:43,650 --> 01:27:46,440 be playing and this should be an outrage but nobody wants the 1453 01:27:46,440 --> 01:27:50,310 powers that be do not want an outrage. This keep the public 1454 01:27:50,310 --> 01:27:53,670 stupid is Kardashian news is all kinds of good stuff. It's very 1455 01:27:53,670 --> 01:27:55,620 entertaining. And voices. Back 1456 01:27:55,710 --> 01:28:00,090 Stop, stop. Oh my god. Kim is Snapchatting little photos of 1457 01:28:00,090 --> 01:28:01,080 their new baby. 1458 01:28:02,310 --> 01:28:07,350 Exactly. So that seems to be getting more attention. Yeah, 1459 01:28:07,380 --> 01:28:12,000 yeah, just total average. This is over $100 billion. It's 1460 01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:13,080 ridiculous. 1461 01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:17,580 That's a lot of moolah. That's what Apple owns 1462 01:28:18,150 --> 01:28:24,060 taxpayer money. What is this? This? This is going this is 1463 01:28:24,060 --> 01:28:26,430 corruption at his highest level. This is going to sound as 1464 01:28:26,430 --> 01:28:27,810 money's going to somebody. 1465 01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:30,870 Well, yeah, that's this is the thing that Trump keeps saying 1466 01:28:30,870 --> 01:28:34,110 there's all kinds of phrase waste, fraud and abuse. I'm 1467 01:28:34,110 --> 01:28:36,360 going to take care of it. Daddy will take care of it. I'm sure 1468 01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:42,030 he will. At this. There was a there was a refreshing moment if 1469 01:28:42,030 --> 01:28:45,180 we can switch gears from this. Yes, please. It was a refreshing 1470 01:28:45,180 --> 01:28:51,630 moment on CNBC, which I do like watching. And they had. This is 1471 01:28:51,630 --> 01:28:57,210 about North Carolina's anti LGBT law. Nice think North Carolina 1472 01:28:57,210 --> 01:29:00,000 This is the bathroom law. Is it not? Yeah, the Bathroom, 1473 01:29:00,150 --> 01:29:03,840 bathroom law and the bathroom law. The only people I really 1474 01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:08,160 hear speaking about the bathroom law are gay men. By do not hear 1475 01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:10,590 gay women. I do not hear straight women. I do not hear 1476 01:29:10,590 --> 01:29:16,800 straight men gay men is this is the LGBT will H LGBTQ q ia P the 1477 01:29:16,830 --> 01:29:22,200 what should be it's just the gay men yelling about it. So CNBC 1478 01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:28,110 had a transgender woman on who was a CEO of a company I think 1479 01:29:28,110 --> 01:29:31,320 it's a has to do with farming and produce pretty big company 1480 01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:34,500 in North Carolina. It was so refreshing to hear so much 1481 01:29:34,500 --> 01:29:37,110 because you rarely hear a transgender person talking about 1482 01:29:37,110 --> 01:29:39,450 the bathroom law. Everybody else is outraged. 1483 01:29:39,570 --> 01:29:42,570 And it's about what they shouldn't be talking about. And 1484 01:29:42,570 --> 01:29:42,840 it's 1485 01:29:42,870 --> 01:29:46,530 it's really the transgender people who would who would have 1486 01:29:46,530 --> 01:29:51,900 the biggest issue with a law like this. The toilet law Oh, my 1487 01:29:51,930 --> 01:29:56,370 God, what has become of my country. We have a law about 1488 01:29:56,370 --> 01:30:02,100 which toilet you can use. Wake up sheeple. Oh, you're insane. 1489 01:30:02,430 --> 01:30:05,910 Anyway, it was refreshing to hear a refreshing take and no 1490 01:30:05,910 --> 01:30:09,840 surprise, the person who would affect most transgendered woman 1491 01:30:10,050 --> 01:30:15,150 is like it, whatever. We're just moving on and we screw that. 1492 01:30:15,270 --> 01:30:16,410 Okay, different question. 1493 01:30:16,590 --> 01:30:19,350 You have a facility and Research Triangle Park in Durham. And 1494 01:30:19,350 --> 01:30:24,180 there's a huge debate right now about the anti LGBT legislation 1495 01:30:24,180 --> 01:30:24,690 out there. 1496 01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:25,620 What are you doing on it? 1497 01:30:25,950 --> 01:30:29,670 So we've joined together with IBM and Red Hat and many other 1498 01:30:29,670 --> 01:30:33,060 companies and expressing our disappointment and displeasure 1499 01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:35,910 to the government that's changing the dynamic. I think 1500 01:30:35,910 --> 01:30:38,670 over time, it will I mean, if you go to North Carolina, people 1501 01:30:38,670 --> 01:30:41,640 in North Carolina are awesome. And and certainly it's gone a 1502 01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:44,010 long way from the Jesse Helms days when he said he was going 1503 01:30:44,010 --> 01:30:46,770 to take Research Triangle Park and build a fence around it. But 1504 01:30:46,770 --> 01:30:49,620 when you move now, we would not move out in North Carolina. 1505 01:30:49,890 --> 01:30:52,560 We've got hundreds and hundreds of employees there. It's going 1506 01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:54,990 to be the headquarters of a future Oregon manufacturing 1507 01:30:54,990 --> 01:30:58,440 facility for us. So we love North Carolina. We love North 1508 01:30:58,440 --> 01:31:01,710 Carolinians. And I'm 100% confident the law will move in 1509 01:31:01,710 --> 01:31:02,880 the progressive direction they 1510 01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:05,640 fell just cancelled plans for an operation centre that had 1511 01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:08,010 planned for 400 workers to be there. It was a three and a half 1512 01:31:08,010 --> 01:31:10,230 billion dollar project. What do you think about the business 1513 01:31:10,230 --> 01:31:11,160 that takes that stance? 1514 01:31:11,220 --> 01:31:14,640 I think PayPal was just like, we got a reason not to open that 1515 01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:17,190 piece of crap. We're blues in my hand over foot here. 1516 01:31:17,580 --> 01:31:20,490 You know, Pay Pal. Maybe their workforce is more mobile, 1517 01:31:20,490 --> 01:31:23,490 because it's so much of like a cyber business, but we're like 1518 01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:27,090 we're doing like medicine and you know, and blood and stuff 1519 01:31:27,090 --> 01:31:30,210 like that. So people are stable. They have long term family 1520 01:31:30,210 --> 01:31:32,820 relationships, and we deal with doctors we deal with Duke 1521 01:31:32,820 --> 01:31:36,450 University, University of North Carolina. So we are embedded in 1522 01:31:36,450 --> 01:31:39,300 North Carolina. Okay, Martin, thank you. My pleasure. 1523 01:31:39,300 --> 01:31:40,650 Appreciate it. Great to see ya. 1524 01:31:41,910 --> 01:31:46,860 He's he she I don't know what she she will help. Absolutely 1525 01:31:46,860 --> 01:31:52,140 correct. The people of North Carolina are fantastic. They're 1526 01:31:52,140 --> 01:31:55,440 very creative. It's one of the best states I wait, how they got 1527 01:31:55,440 --> 01:31:56,190 into this mix of 1528 01:31:56,190 --> 01:32:00,180 grapes. Yeah. That's, it's odd, isn't it? That North Carolina 1529 01:32:00,180 --> 01:32:00,990 got into that? Yeah. 1530 01:32:00,990 --> 01:32:03,450 And it's, it's just a great state and the people are 1531 01:32:03,450 --> 01:32:06,330 fantastic. I love going to North Carolina. I've always had a good 1532 01:32:06,330 --> 01:32:09,990 time there. Well, good barbecue. 1533 01:32:10,050 --> 01:32:14,400 I'm glad you asked me. P Shi whatever. Because I have a 1534 01:32:14,430 --> 01:32:17,730 another guideline here for you. If you're interested from the 1535 01:32:17,730 --> 01:32:18,120 gate 1536 01:32:18,150 --> 01:32:20,730 trying to get this sis part figured out. Well, maybe 1537 01:32:20,730 --> 01:32:25,290 this will help. This is from G safe. And what is 1538 01:32:25,290 --> 01:32:29,370 this stand for? Is what does it stand for? 1539 01:32:29,759 --> 01:32:34,829 Okay, hold on a second. Hold on a second book of knowledge. The 1540 01:32:35,009 --> 01:32:37,019 definition of cisgender 1541 01:32:39,180 --> 01:32:42,810 I'm not sure what you meant by that question. Gay hater. 1542 01:32:43,710 --> 01:32:48,840 Yeah, let me try. Let me see if I can do this hold on a second 1543 01:32:49,050 --> 01:32:52,950 book of knowledge. Definition of C I S. 1544 01:32:54,330 --> 01:32:57,660 The word cis means an alliance made up of states that had been 1545 01:32:57,660 --> 01:32:59,220 Soviet Socialist Republics 1546 01:33:02,430 --> 01:33:06,870 No, that didn't work. Okay, but I have a handy little document 1547 01:33:06,870 --> 01:33:10,950 here which is in the show notes at 815 dot no agenda notes.com. 1548 01:33:12,090 --> 01:33:15,540 And this is from the G safe the Gay Straight Alliance for Safe 1549 01:33:15,540 --> 01:33:20,670 Schools. John, this is a safe schools. And this is titled, 1550 01:33:21,030 --> 01:33:27,030 What the heck is Pg p? Which of course is already a brain freeze 1551 01:33:27,030 --> 01:33:28,770 for many of us. Yeah, it 1552 01:33:28,770 --> 01:33:31,260 means a pretty pretty good privacy. Yeah. 1553 01:33:31,590 --> 01:33:37,830 No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Pronouns are everywhere. We use 1554 01:33:37,830 --> 01:33:40,500 them every day in speech and writing to take the place of 1555 01:33:40,500 --> 01:33:43,410 people's names. We use them without even thinking about it. 1556 01:33:43,470 --> 01:33:46,950 But have you ever tried speaking without using any pronouns? Give 1557 01:33:46,950 --> 01:33:53,190 it a try. Oops, I meant to say give speaking without using any 1558 01:33:53,190 --> 01:33:56,100 pronouns and try. Not easy, is it? 1559 01:33:57,150 --> 01:33:58,530 No brother, yeah. 1560 01:33:58,830 --> 01:34:01,440 Pronouns may not seem like a big deal, but they become a bigger 1561 01:34:01,440 --> 01:34:03,420 deal when you try to live without them. And for some 1562 01:34:03,420 --> 01:34:05,460 people, I think we should just live without pronouns, that 1563 01:34:05,460 --> 01:34:08,340 would be much better. For some people pronouns are a big deal 1564 01:34:08,340 --> 01:34:11,400 because other folks don't always use the correct pronouns to 1565 01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:17,970 describe them. A preferred gender pronoun. PGP is simply 1566 01:34:17,970 --> 01:34:21,090 the pronoun or set of pronouns that an individual would like 1567 01:34:21,090 --> 01:34:27,030 others to use when talking to or about that individual. So we 1568 01:34:27,030 --> 01:34:30,600 know all the the most frequently ones used ones I use, she her 1569 01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:35,700 him hit it, IU, etc. These are, okay, one way to make sure that 1570 01:34:35,700 --> 01:34:42,180 your GSA which I think is gay School Association, or club is 1571 01:34:42,180 --> 01:34:45,450 being inclusive and welcoming for transgender or gender non 1572 01:34:45,450 --> 01:34:50,430 conforming people, my God is to incorporate PGPs into your 1573 01:34:50,430 --> 01:34:54,480 regular intro activities. John, this is how we roll with our 1574 01:34:54,480 --> 01:34:57,690 regular intro activities. Do you have your regular intro activity 1575 01:34:57,690 --> 01:35:01,620 on file open? Yeah, so Even if you start every meeting by 1576 01:35:01,620 --> 01:35:04,350 having those present share their names ask them to share their 1577 01:35:04,350 --> 01:35:07,740 PGP as well. For example, my name is Jasmine. I'm a 1578 01:35:07,740 --> 01:35:14,190 sophomore, and my PGPs are she and her. Hi, I'm Diego. I'm 17 a 1579 01:35:14,190 --> 01:35:18,900 senior and my preferred gender pronouns are he him and his. He 1580 01:35:18,900 --> 01:35:24,180 wouldn't be so far do you want me to do one more? I 1581 01:35:24,180 --> 01:35:27,120 mean, this is this is I know, this is a this is a bottomless 1582 01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:27,450 pit. 1583 01:35:29,250 --> 01:35:32,460 Remember, just like sexual orientation, a person's gender 1584 01:35:32,460 --> 01:35:36,510 identity can be very personal and private, GSA members or 1585 01:35:36,510 --> 01:35:41,760 anyone for that matter. I guess that's gay, sexually allied. I 1586 01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:44,190 don't know what it is, should never feel pressured to control. 1587 01:35:44,220 --> 01:35:46,890 You should never feel pressured to share how they how you how 1588 01:35:46,890 --> 01:35:49,620 they identify if someone does not choose to share, and that's 1589 01:35:49,620 --> 01:35:53,460 great. And that information should remain tested. Because if 1590 01:35:53,460 --> 01:35:56,730 someone does does choose to share, that's great. And that 1591 01:35:56,730 --> 01:35:59,280 information should remain confidential within the GSA 1592 01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:01,530 unless the person has specifically said it's okay to 1593 01:36:01,530 --> 01:36:05,550 talk about it elsewhere. Everything is great. So here's 1594 01:36:05,550 --> 01:36:08,820 the activities we need to work on John number one, neutralise 1595 01:36:08,820 --> 01:36:12,030 it. For this activity, you will need at least two people and 1596 01:36:12,030 --> 01:36:14,160 some reading material. Do you have any reading material? 1597 01:36:14,610 --> 01:36:16,650 I have the list of clips? 1598 01:36:16,830 --> 01:36:20,160 Well, we can try that. This activity can be done in pairs or 1599 01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:22,770 in a larger group asked students to grab a book they are reading 1600 01:36:22,770 --> 01:36:25,890 for a class or for fun novels with a lot of character 1601 01:36:25,890 --> 01:36:29,280 descriptions and narrative work. And narrative would work well. 1602 01:36:29,490 --> 01:36:32,550 Okay, you really need to read a webpage or something, I think. 1603 01:36:34,020 --> 01:36:34,440 So you 1604 01:36:34,440 --> 01:36:38,250 have to let me find, oh, let me see Hold on a second. I'm gonna 1605 01:36:38,250 --> 01:36:40,440 give me a second here. And what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna bring 1606 01:36:40,440 --> 01:36:43,560 up something by Jane Austen. Perfect. 1607 01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:49,380 So you have to read for 30 seconds and replace all the 1608 01:36:49,380 --> 01:36:54,900 gendered pronouns she he her him with gender neutral or gender 1609 01:36:54,900 --> 01:37:02,760 inclusive pronouns. So that can be z for here. H IR here. Okay, 1610 01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:03,120 go. 1611 01:37:03,660 --> 01:37:11,040 Well, yeah, I'm still Gundam web you Russian me. So I typed in 1612 01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:14,280 Jane Austen. First of all, I'm sure I'll here's how you're 1613 01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:18,300 gonna get a kick out of this. I ended up doing I was in my email 1614 01:37:18,300 --> 01:37:21,840 so I ended up doing the search in the email inbox 1615 01:37:21,870 --> 01:37:25,080 Oh no. Oh, you're in squirrel mail. Of course. 1616 01:37:25,110 --> 01:37:30,330 I'm on Squirrel Man. Let me get hold on. 1617 01:37:31,740 --> 01:37:34,740 I think it's gonna be very hard to do this. I don't think you're 1618 01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:37,710 going to be Tuffy man I don't think you qualify for this kind 1619 01:37:37,710 --> 01:37:38,640 of talk. Thanks so 1620 01:37:41,460 --> 01:37:46,050 let's see Friday President let me see if I can find a copy here 1621 01:37:46,050 --> 01:37:48,840 we go. Fine. First published in okay here we go done kind of 1622 01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:50,820 structure what I want to show you the see the document let me 1623 01:37:50,820 --> 01:37:54,150 find it. Like you man probably pray Okay, here we go. 1624 01:37:55,290 --> 01:38:00,900 You have to turn every pronoun into a gender neutral pronoun, 1625 01:38:00,930 --> 01:38:10,350 and I recommend just do zeros or zero zer Z or zero, z or z IR z 1626 01:38:10,380 --> 01:38:11,220 are going to 1627 01:38:11,220 --> 01:38:18,000 chapter for a volume one. When Jane and Elizabeth were alone, 1628 01:38:18,450 --> 01:38:25,410 the former who had been cautious in deserved praise. Those Xur 1629 01:38:25,410 --> 01:38:33,960 praise of Mr. Bingley before expressed to Xur sister are very 1630 01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:44,700 much she said oh, gee he admired Ge Ge has given us what a young 1631 01:38:44,700 --> 01:38:52,680 man ought to be said. Sure. Makes it very It just brings the 1632 01:38:52,710 --> 01:38:54,510 quality of the literature really, 1633 01:38:54,750 --> 01:39:01,110 really brings it out doesn't it? Ah, 1634 01:39:01,170 --> 01:39:03,990 all right. Well, everyone can practice for themselves. 1635 01:39:04,020 --> 01:39:13,020 Remember PGP preferred gender pronoun, work on people do the 1636 01:39:13,020 --> 01:39:19,980 math people well, yeah, so 1637 01:39:19,980 --> 01:39:24,930 they did a number on the political scene on Bernie this 1638 01:39:24,930 --> 01:39:27,450 week. Hold on before you go there I just want to wrap up the 1639 01:39:27,450 --> 01:39:29,820 gay thing then I'm done. Oh, you're not where you don't have 1640 01:39:29,820 --> 01:39:32,250 it wrapped up the gay thing the gay thing is wrapping up right 1641 01:39:32,340 --> 01:39:37,590 from there to hug a Brit then gone. So while we are all messed 1642 01:39:37,590 --> 01:39:40,170 up about the pronouns here in the United States, and I mean, 1643 01:39:40,200 --> 01:39:41,010 we're messed 1644 01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:42,630 up, sis. 1645 01:39:43,170 --> 01:39:48,810 We're cyst up baby. Totally cyst up today. The French well, 1646 01:39:48,810 --> 01:39:51,540 they're boomerang boomerang around and kind of the right 1647 01:39:51,540 --> 01:39:54,570 direction. It was much they're much more liberal and 1648 01:39:54,570 --> 01:39:58,140 understanding and just their French you know, I'm impressed. 1649 01:39:58,140 --> 01:40:00,000 I mean, Tina and I are going to be visiting France. We're going 1650 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:03,390 into Paris. Going to the Netherlands, maybe we'll hit 1651 01:40:03,390 --> 01:40:06,960 London if we're lucky. Nice to know that the Brussels, you 1652 01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:10,080 know, they picked up a couple guys in Brussels and they said, 1653 01:40:10,110 --> 01:40:12,150 Oh, we were actually planning on hitting France again. So it's 1654 01:40:12,150 --> 01:40:12,930 nice. We'll be there. 1655 01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:15,420 We'll probably go to meet up. 1656 01:40:15,599 --> 01:40:17,129 I'm gonna take that. We're going to take the train. We're going 1657 01:40:17,129 --> 01:40:19,799 to stop in Brussels and then go to Paris. I'll be fantastic. 1658 01:40:20,070 --> 01:40:22,560 And with your Eurail pass, that's the cheapest way to do 1659 01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:22,980 it. Yeah. 1660 01:40:23,940 --> 01:40:27,180 Anyway, so they've changed. There was a lawsuit going on 1661 01:40:27,180 --> 01:40:31,650 there and Perry, and I think this is a very, very good trend. 1662 01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:35,190 An employment tribunal in Paris has decided calling a male 1663 01:40:35,190 --> 01:40:40,620 hairdresser faggot is not homophobic. Theory says this is 1664 01:40:40,620 --> 01:40:44,070 because hair salons regularly employ gay people. The case 1665 01:40:44,070 --> 01:40:47,490 concerns a stylist who was sacked after not turning up for 1666 01:40:47,490 --> 01:40:50,730 work due to sickness. He launched a claim for unfair 1667 01:40:50,730 --> 01:40:54,810 dismissal after the boss of the salon mistakenly sent him a text 1668 01:40:54,840 --> 01:40:57,720 using the word. French employment Minister Maryam L. 1669 01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:01,590 Connery has described the verdict as scandalous. The 1670 01:41:01,590 --> 01:41:05,160 Tribunal agreed the term used was insulting. However, it 1671 01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:08,880 decided it could not be considered discriminatory. The 1672 01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:12,720 employee who wants to remain anonymous was awarded 5000 euros 1673 01:41:12,750 --> 01:41:13,980 he plans to appeal 1674 01:41:15,870 --> 01:41:17,910 Yes, grim in nature very 1675 01:41:18,269 --> 01:41:21,479 discriminatory. Yeah, discriminate discriminatory. 1676 01:41:21,900 --> 01:41:23,130 Yes, it's showtime to 1677 01:41:23,130 --> 01:41:25,140 celebrate it was not discriminatory. 1678 01:41:27,570 --> 01:41:29,100 That's a very strange story. 1679 01:41:31,050 --> 01:41:33,420 I like it. Hey, call them faggot. 1680 01:41:33,690 --> 01:41:36,600 Hey, can we do some sort of a news story so we can use the 1681 01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:42,300 word faggot over and over in the story? I think the guy was one 1682 01:41:42,300 --> 01:41:43,170 out of France. 1683 01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:47,520 I like the opening it's just that's one of the best opening 1684 01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:48,570 clips I've ever heard an 1685 01:41:48,570 --> 01:41:51,960 employment tribunal in Paris has decided calling a male 1686 01:41:51,960 --> 01:41:55,050 hairdresser faggot is not homophobic 1687 01:41:56,910 --> 01:41:58,860 that's a headline that's just a headline right 1688 01:41:58,860 --> 01:42:00,600 there that says I saw you should say 1689 01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:08,490 faggot is not homophobic oh my oh my oh my 1690 01:42:09,960 --> 01:42:16,710 Thanks Obama. Exactly. Good word. Obama Oh, 1691 01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:19,020 you're putting my Sanders ISO 1692 01:42:19,080 --> 01:42:21,570 no Sanders ISO always happy with that. 1693 01:42:21,780 --> 01:42:23,190 Thank you always a pleasure 1694 01:42:26,910 --> 01:42:31,860 Sanders got his got his butt handed to him by Charlie Rose. 1695 01:42:31,860 --> 01:42:34,110 Charlie Rose. Yeah, did you get a clip off of that? 1696 01:42:34,170 --> 01:42:36,960 I do. In fact, they have the Charlie Rose and this is the 1697 01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:40,020 only part of it he starts off slowly but this is where it 1698 01:42:40,020 --> 01:42:42,960 starts to go. This is as little as it turns out to be long he 1699 01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:46,170 had him on for five minutes and he was just going after him. 1700 01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:49,170 That was unbelievably because he had you know him and Hillary had 1701 01:42:49,170 --> 01:42:52,470 been going back and forth on some things and and so they were 1702 01:42:52,470 --> 01:42:58,740 promoting this idea that no Hillary is is is qualified as 1703 01:42:59,310 --> 01:43:01,920 it's just she was stupid with the whole thing was stupid. 1704 01:43:01,950 --> 01:43:04,800 Well, Charlie is friends with Clinton, isn't he? 1705 01:43:05,130 --> 01:43:07,830 Oh yeah, he knows he's Charlie's all in this whole thing was set 1706 01:43:07,830 --> 01:43:11,040 up was a setup I don't I think Sanders was an idiot for going 1707 01:43:11,040 --> 01:43:14,460 on. Do you mind if Charlie Rose eviscerate Sanders as political 1708 01:43:14,460 --> 01:43:14,730 don't 1709 01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:17,040 do you do you mind if I just do that? I saw real quick so I have 1710 01:43:17,040 --> 01:43:18,030 it for the entire show. 1711 01:43:19,590 --> 01:43:21,750 You Yeah, go for it. Yeah, employment tribunal 1712 01:43:21,750 --> 01:43:25,830 in Paris has decided calling a male hairdresser faggot I just 1713 01:43:26,070 --> 01:43:29,820 use this part calling a male hairdresser. Faggot is not 1714 01:43:29,820 --> 01:43:31,260 homophobic about just that 1715 01:43:31,260 --> 01:43:32,580 bit. That's perfect. That's 1716 01:43:35,010 --> 01:43:37,140 calling a male hairdresser faggot. 1717 01:43:40,350 --> 01:43:41,160 Like them 1718 01:43:46,140 --> 01:43:55,350 not homo phobic as to funny man. Okay, I'll 1719 01:43:55,349 --> 01:43:58,889 save that here. Okay, let me just test it. Make sure it's 1720 01:43:58,889 --> 01:44:04,529 working. There we go save. And here's the here's the ISO 1721 01:44:04,559 --> 01:44:09,119 calling a male hairdresser. Faggot is not homophobic. Okay, 1722 01:44:09,150 --> 01:44:13,500 thank you for that and wash your hands after eating any role 1723 01:44:13,500 --> 01:44:13,950 perfect. 1724 01:44:14,460 --> 01:44:19,080 Meat is coming up. Yes. Meat. Will you want to hear those two 1725 01:44:19,080 --> 01:44:20,340 together? No, no, 1726 01:44:20,580 --> 01:44:25,260 no. Why not? A male hairdresser is not homophobic and wash 1727 01:44:25,260 --> 01:44:27,180 your hands after touching any raw meat. 1728 01:44:30,210 --> 01:44:32,160 You amuse yourself. Why else 1729 01:44:32,160 --> 01:44:34,380 do the show? Of course I'm amusing myself and no other 1730 01:44:34,380 --> 01:44:37,440 reason for that. Okay, I'm sorry, back to our regularly 1731 01:44:37,440 --> 01:44:38,460 scheduled programming. 1732 01:44:39,960 --> 01:44:43,680 All right. Charlie, Rose eviscerates Bernie Sanders. 1733 01:44:44,190 --> 01:44:47,670 I have tried to run an issue oriented campaign which is what 1734 01:44:47,670 --> 01:44:50,550 I believe the American people want to hear. They want to hear 1735 01:44:50,550 --> 01:44:53,490 about what ideas we have to improve their lives, not just 1736 01:44:53,490 --> 01:44:55,800 attacking each other every day. But what I do have to say 1737 01:44:55,800 --> 01:44:59,730 Charlie, you know if we are getting attacked every single 1738 01:44:59,730 --> 01:45:03,240 day by the Clinton campaign, I want them to know we're going to 1739 01:45:03,240 --> 01:45:06,210 respond in kind, but I hope that we do not. 1740 01:45:07,140 --> 01:45:11,070 Which is interesting, the exact same words Trump used when he 1741 01:45:11,070 --> 01:45:13,620 said, Have you people call me on stuff, I'm going to respond to 1742 01:45:13,620 --> 01:45:16,740 the exact same words. He's getting the same treatment. Now, 1743 01:45:17,010 --> 01:45:19,890 the same treatment. I did you see how big that crowd was he 1744 01:45:19,890 --> 01:45:21,900 had over the weekend. Huge, 1745 01:45:22,260 --> 01:45:27,150 but I hope that we do believe Secretary Clinton is unqualified 1746 01:45:27,300 --> 01:45:28,170 to be president. 1747 01:45:28,260 --> 01:45:31,410 Well, does Secretary Clinton believe that I am unqualified to 1748 01:45:31,410 --> 01:45:32,190 be why can't 1749 01:45:32,190 --> 01:45:36,810 you simply say yes, she has some of the a first rate resume? 1750 01:45:38,220 --> 01:45:42,030 Hold on a second hold on a second book of knowledge. Is 1751 01:45:42,030 --> 01:45:44,100 Hillary Clinton qualified to be president? 1752 01:45:46,440 --> 01:45:49,050 I can't find the answer to the question. I heard thoughts 1753 01:45:49,170 --> 01:45:52,800 about life and public service. He's one of the most qualified 1754 01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:53,370 people. 1755 01:45:53,669 --> 01:45:56,459 She has wrong years of experience. She is extremely 1756 01:45:56,459 --> 01:46:00,329 intelligent. I want to say because she is, you know, I have 1757 01:46:00,329 --> 01:46:03,629 some experience, too. I have a pretty good record in Congress, 1758 01:46:03,959 --> 01:46:07,829 as the Senator, as a mayor, I think I am qualified to be 1759 01:46:07,829 --> 01:46:10,289 president. So to answer your question, you're right, we 1760 01:46:10,289 --> 01:46:13,259 should not get into this tit for tat. We should be debating the 1761 01:46:13,259 --> 01:46:16,259 issues facing the market at all. All I am saying is that people 1762 01:46:16,259 --> 01:46:18,929 are going to attack us if they're going to distort our 1763 01:46:18,929 --> 01:46:21,929 record, as has been the case time and time again, we're going 1764 01:46:21,929 --> 01:46:22,469 to respond, 1765 01:46:22,500 --> 01:46:26,040 people are saying the tenor of this campaign has changed. And 1766 01:46:26,040 --> 01:46:28,260 it's sounding more and more like the Republican 1767 01:46:28,620 --> 01:46:30,780 campaign. Let's not go no, 1768 01:46:31,559 --> 01:46:35,219 no. But take a listen to this. This is what you said. You said 1769 01:46:35,219 --> 01:46:38,489 that Clinton should have apologised for rock war deaths. 1770 01:46:38,789 --> 01:46:42,029 Do you really believe for Iraqi war deaths? This 1771 01:46:42,030 --> 01:46:43,590 is after I like 1772 01:46:43,590 --> 01:46:46,740 this, that Sanders, we explained, I don't think anyone 1773 01:46:46,740 --> 01:46:49,590 cares. But again, he's getting the Trump treatment from 1774 01:46:49,590 --> 01:46:52,350 everybody, because they're just taking little bits and pieces, 1775 01:46:52,380 --> 01:46:54,390 bits and bobs out of context. 1776 01:46:54,509 --> 01:46:58,469 Right? Totally out of context. And then Sanders is not handling 1777 01:46:58,469 --> 01:46:59,939 this very well, no, 1778 01:46:59,969 --> 01:47:02,519 no, what would you recommend he do instead of what he's about to 1779 01:47:02,519 --> 01:47:02,849 do? 1780 01:47:04,920 --> 01:47:09,630 Well, here's the way okay, play the way he deals with this, and 1781 01:47:09,630 --> 01:47:10,470 then I'll tell you what he 1782 01:47:10,980 --> 01:47:15,450 should do really, for a Iraqi war deaths. This 1783 01:47:15,450 --> 01:47:19,710 is after I was asked to apologise for the tragedy in 1784 01:47:19,710 --> 01:47:22,500 Sandy Hook, you know, put these things again, in the context 1785 01:47:22,500 --> 01:47:26,310 that it is, but are you know, I'm responding, you know, 1786 01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:28,620 attacks that are being made against me. 1787 01:47:28,680 --> 01:47:31,530 I'm asking where the tenor of this campaign is going. Is that 1788 01:47:31,530 --> 01:47:32,370 going too far? 1789 01:47:32,460 --> 01:47:34,440 You want to explain it now? Or we want to continue? Okay. 1790 01:47:35,580 --> 01:47:38,700 He asked him a question. Is she responsible for the because he's 1791 01:47:38,700 --> 01:47:41,190 making this point when he gives a speech is that she voted for 1792 01:47:41,190 --> 01:47:45,990 the thing. And then she says, Well, he is very light on gun 1793 01:47:45,990 --> 01:47:50,040 laws. And so he's responsible for Sandy Hook. That's it Sandy 1794 01:47:50,040 --> 01:47:53,640 Hook right. There. Now apply that to Charlie question again, 1795 01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:56,940 and his answer and then and substitute what I think he 1796 01:47:56,940 --> 01:48:01,440 should say, which is start with the word yes. Okay. Is she 1797 01:48:01,440 --> 01:48:04,380 responsible for the war? That work? Ah, right. 1798 01:48:04,380 --> 01:48:08,010 Yeah. He'd say, Yeah, he'd go. Yes. Instead, he answers the 1799 01:48:08,010 --> 01:48:09,630 question with a question more on 1800 01:48:10,019 --> 01:48:13,139 what he should say is yes, if I'm responsible for the deaths 1801 01:48:13,139 --> 01:48:16,469 of Sandy Hook, then she's responsible for the deaths in it 1802 01:48:16,679 --> 01:48:20,849 in the Iraq War. That's just the logic of it or he can go on from 1803 01:48:20,849 --> 01:48:24,029 there but he doesn't do that he goes, I mean, maybe we get all 1804 01:48:24,029 --> 01:48:24,629 wimpy 1805 01:48:24,720 --> 01:48:28,260 the preceding was a free sample of the curry Dvorak political 1806 01:48:28,590 --> 01:48:29,400 consulting group 1807 01:48:30,510 --> 01:48:32,730 for a Iraqi war deaths this 1808 01:48:32,730 --> 01:48:36,780 was after I was asked to apologise for the trash the 1809 01:48:36,990 --> 01:48:40,170 Sandy Hook, you know, put these things again context and by 1810 01:48:40,170 --> 01:48:42,570 the way, that would have been a good subtler things that Yes, 1811 01:48:42,570 --> 01:48:45,870 she is responsible for the Iraqi war deaths as much as I'm 1812 01:48:45,870 --> 01:48:49,290 responsible for the deaths at Sandy Hook by her logic, right. 1813 01:48:50,070 --> 01:48:53,160 And then boom, let it go. And that's not true. But he's going 1814 01:48:53,160 --> 01:48:56,760 to in Charlie and get flustered never put it on Charlie. No, it 1815 01:48:56,760 --> 01:48:59,820 was just attacking, attacking, attacking and he was just, he 1816 01:48:59,820 --> 01:49:01,530 did a crap job. 1817 01:49:01,530 --> 01:49:06,480 Well, I think what what Mr. Sanders is now witnessing was he 1818 01:49:06,480 --> 01:49:10,950 was not ready for it. Because he got kind of a free ride. cute 1819 01:49:10,950 --> 01:49:14,790 guy, old guy. Haha, whatever. But now the Clinton machine is 1820 01:49:14,790 --> 01:49:18,630 cranked up and focuses lasers on him. Nice for Donald Trump. I 1821 01:49:18,630 --> 01:49:22,140 might add really nice, actually. Yeah, I 1822 01:49:22,140 --> 01:49:23,310 think so. Now all that 1823 01:49:23,340 --> 01:49:25,860 abortion stuff is kind of, it's kind of forgotten. 1824 01:49:27,750 --> 01:49:32,580 Like, luckily for him, but I you know, I'm responding to attacks 1825 01:49:32,580 --> 01:49:33,690 that are being made against me, 1826 01:49:33,750 --> 01:49:38,310 and also, the viciousness of the Democrats because I like 1827 01:49:38,310 --> 01:49:41,310 watching this part just as much. The viciousness of the 1828 01:49:41,310 --> 01:49:45,780 Democratic Party and how they're fighting and I spoke to a number 1829 01:49:45,780 --> 01:49:48,750 of bots, although it wasn't really a huge political 1830 01:49:48,750 --> 01:49:52,680 conversation, but all of them are now using the hold your nose 1831 01:49:52,680 --> 01:49:58,260 and vote for Hillary line. And I say, you know, I'm so sad. You 1832 01:49:58,260 --> 01:50:00,540 telling me that you have to hold your nose was because of the 1833 01:50:00,540 --> 01:50:04,050 rotting smelling fish tank coming out of Hillary Clinton. 1834 01:50:04,590 --> 01:50:06,900 So you can vote for her and not puke. Is that what you're 1835 01:50:06,900 --> 01:50:11,010 saying? To which they say Thanks, Obama. 1836 01:50:11,969 --> 01:50:14,669 I'm asking where the tenor of this campaign is going. And is 1837 01:50:14,669 --> 01:50:19,049 that going too far to say she bears responsibility for Iraqi 1838 01:50:19,079 --> 01:50:19,829 war deaths? 1839 01:50:19,860 --> 01:50:23,760 Why bear responsibility for the tragedy in the world and hideous 1840 01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:27,540 horrors of Sandy Hook? So, you know, let's get off of that. Of 1841 01:50:27,540 --> 01:50:29,460 course, she doesn't bear responsibility. 1842 01:50:30,780 --> 01:50:34,440 He doesn't do he does the worst thing. He should totally Jama to 1843 01:50:34,440 --> 01:50:34,920 her there. 1844 01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:36,150 The war in Iraq. 1845 01:50:36,269 --> 01:50:38,729 This guy didn't know how to fight. He didn't know how to 1846 01:50:38,729 --> 01:50:39,749 fight. That was 1847 01:50:39,780 --> 01:50:43,200 a very bad vote in my view. The Why hold her accountable? 1848 01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:47,100 No. Do I hear your side girl in the chat room? Charlie Rose. 1849 01:50:47,100 --> 01:50:49,710 This is on the morning show. A lot of people watch that you 1850 01:50:49,710 --> 01:50:50,160 saying 1851 01:50:50,190 --> 01:50:53,910 to No, actually, this was the CBS Evening News. Oh, even more 1852 01:50:53,910 --> 01:50:57,000 people watch that. Yes. There's a lot of people that watch it. 1853 01:50:57,000 --> 01:51:00,210 And we went on for over five minutes. This is a huge segment 1854 01:51:00,240 --> 01:51:03,030 of vote. And then he carried it on to his own Charlie Rose. 1855 01:51:04,080 --> 01:51:05,970 The Why hold her accountable? No. 1856 01:51:06,210 --> 01:51:10,530 Do I hear you saying tonight that I'm embarrassed by these 1857 01:51:10,530 --> 01:51:12,450 personal attacks that are taking place? 1858 01:51:12,750 --> 01:51:15,960 All the leading us back that stop it? Yeah. Listen to him 1859 01:51:15,960 --> 01:51:21,270 leading the witness on this one. This is this sander should not 1860 01:51:21,270 --> 01:51:22,710 have put up with this interview. 1861 01:51:22,710 --> 01:51:24,930 We want to one he should not have put up with this. 1862 01:51:24,930 --> 01:51:28,950 Absolutely. But he has he got a free ride. Now. He's now he's 1863 01:51:28,980 --> 01:51:31,530 getting hammered. And he's gonna this I think is a turning point 1864 01:51:31,530 --> 01:51:35,190 for him. He has to learn how to defend himself. Or it's just as 1865 01:51:35,220 --> 01:51:37,920 you know, it'll get nowhere. And he is kind of winning some 1866 01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:38,520 states. 1867 01:51:38,700 --> 01:51:41,370 Now, I will say this, by the way. And you and you, as you 1868 01:51:41,370 --> 01:51:46,290 listen to this. This is on the CBS Evening News. No, none of 1869 01:51:46,290 --> 01:51:48,840 the millennials that are voting for Sanders. None of his 1870 01:51:48,840 --> 01:51:52,200 supporters listen to these shows. So he got away with that 1871 01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:55,710 one. This is only the old farts that listen to these new shows 1872 01:51:55,980 --> 01:51:59,460 that are all in for Hillary already. Um, all this as this 1873 01:51:59,460 --> 01:52:01,200 confirmed their voting decision. 1874 01:52:02,310 --> 01:52:04,440 Do I hold her accountable? No. 1875 01:52:04,680 --> 01:52:09,000 Do I hear you saying tonight? I'm embarrassed by these 1876 01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:12,330 personal attacks that are taking place. And all I have done is 1877 01:52:12,330 --> 01:52:15,360 respond to attacks. But I'm embarrassed and they are giving 1878 01:52:15,390 --> 01:52:18,660 a tone to this campaign that I don't like. I don't like the 1879 01:52:18,660 --> 01:52:21,630 fact that I have to participate in it. And I wish it would stop 1880 01:52:21,660 --> 01:52:22,830 on both sides. 1881 01:52:23,250 --> 01:52:27,180 Okay, John, what would the what would the correct answer be? 1882 01:52:28,410 --> 01:52:30,990 Well, I would like the correct answer. There's no answer to 1883 01:52:30,990 --> 01:52:34,380 this because he let him do it should have stopped me just 1884 01:52:34,380 --> 01:52:37,140 interrupting and putting words in my mouth. Yeah, something 1885 01:52:37,140 --> 01:52:38,520 like that. I mean, the idea you're, 1886 01:52:38,910 --> 01:52:41,040 I don't like that as a defence, because then you have to say 1887 01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:42,420 what the words were? I think that's 1888 01:52:43,139 --> 01:52:48,179 right. He's, this is just Charlie being a real pro. Yeah. 1889 01:52:48,179 --> 01:52:52,019 And he does this on his own show where he where he answers. And 1890 01:52:52,019 --> 01:52:55,739 Annette asked question in advance of say, well, you would 1891 01:52:55,739 --> 01:52:58,049 answer that question this way. Right here. You would say this 1892 01:52:58,049 --> 01:53:00,119 and this, then you'd say that, then you'd say this, then you'd 1893 01:53:00,119 --> 01:53:02,999 say that? And before you know it? Charlie's got your pin DIN. 1894 01:53:03,029 --> 01:53:06,119 Yeah, this is a tough one to get out of. Yeah, yeah. You 1895 01:53:06,119 --> 01:53:08,999 shouldn't say hey, you're pinning me in by putting words 1896 01:53:08,999 --> 01:53:12,269 in my mouth, putting thoughts in my head. This is not necessarily 1897 01:53:12,269 --> 01:53:15,209 the way I feel about these things. I'm glad that you see it 1898 01:53:15,209 --> 01:53:15,629 that way. 1899 01:53:15,660 --> 01:53:18,120 Or you could have just gone you just kind of go, Oh, my heart, 1900 01:53:18,150 --> 01:53:20,460 my heart, anything anything, I 1901 01:53:20,460 --> 01:53:23,400 have to participate in it? And I wish it would stop on both 1902 01:53:23,400 --> 01:53:26,160 sides? Because Bernie Sanders wouldn't do it good. Are you 1903 01:53:26,160 --> 01:53:26,880 willing to say that? 1904 01:53:28,020 --> 01:53:33,030 Look, you're looking at a guy who's been in politics for a 1905 01:53:33,030 --> 01:53:35,040 long time ran many elections, and the straight guy 1906 01:53:36,030 --> 01:53:40,380 willing to say that, and Sanders should have said, well, you're 1907 01:53:40,380 --> 01:53:43,740 putting words in my mouth? Am I willing to say that I'd had to 1908 01:53:43,740 --> 01:53:47,040 think about it. I mean, I don't like somebody telling me what to 1909 01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:49,950 say and what the thing actually there's, there's a key. I don't 1910 01:53:49,950 --> 01:53:53,490 like somebody telling me what to say and think. I think for 1911 01:53:53,490 --> 01:53:56,610 myself, I'm glad you have that thought that thought though and 1912 01:53:56,640 --> 01:53:59,490 something I consider. There's a lot of ways to get around it 1913 01:53:59,520 --> 01:54:00,630 other than Yup. 1914 01:54:02,040 --> 01:54:05,010 Who's been in politics for elections in the state of 1915 01:54:05,010 --> 01:54:09,120 Vermont. I've never run a negative ad in my wife. In this 1916 01:54:09,120 --> 01:54:12,720 campaign, as I'm sure you can appreciate. Every other day, 1917 01:54:12,930 --> 01:54:14,760 people are coming up to me and it's like, aren't you gonna 1918 01:54:14,760 --> 01:54:17,970 attack Hillary Clinton's emails? Aren't you gonna attack the 1919 01:54:17,970 --> 01:54:20,910 Clinton Foundation? And you know how many times I've done that 1920 01:54:21,000 --> 01:54:24,780 zero? Let me finish. You saw me in a debate, right? Yes. But I 1921 01:54:24,780 --> 01:54:27,690 was asked about emails. What did I say? I said, enough of these 1922 01:54:27,690 --> 01:54:28,440 damn emails. 1923 01:54:28,680 --> 01:54:31,650 Just want to come back to the Iraqi thing. One second. And one 1924 01:54:31,650 --> 01:54:32,250 more question. 1925 01:54:33,360 --> 01:54:34,890 back you have made up what's that? 1926 01:54:35,790 --> 01:54:39,510 Charlie circles back? Yeah. Because actually, Bernie there 1927 01:54:39,510 --> 01:54:42,150 did a slam that was a slam saying I'm not going to talk 1928 01:54:42,150 --> 01:54:45,150 about the emails bringing attention to them. I'm not going 1929 01:54:45,150 --> 01:54:47,550 to tell you about the Clinton Foundation bringing attention to 1930 01:54:47,550 --> 01:54:51,390 it. Yeah. So in an odd way, he's actually critical So Charlie has 1931 01:54:51,390 --> 01:54:53,940 none of it will go that way because he's controlling this 1932 01:54:53,940 --> 01:54:56,460 thing. brings it back to this Iraq deal. 1933 01:54:57,150 --> 01:55:00,540 You have made a point that she voted for the Iraqi army. Four 1934 01:55:01,890 --> 01:55:06,120 of the people did as well many other people. Do you hold all of 1935 01:55:06,120 --> 01:55:10,800 them responsible for the deaths know of Americans, then why say 1936 01:55:10,800 --> 01:55:11,370 it Senator 1937 01:55:11,640 --> 01:55:15,870 asked the question, but why? I am saying it because I was 1938 01:55:15,900 --> 01:55:19,410 attacked. You can't that's, that's not a reason, I promise 1939 01:55:19,410 --> 01:55:21,510 you to say. I'm saying it because they attacked me. 1940 01:55:21,540 --> 01:55:24,240 Well, I mean, I hope you were Senator Clinton. Am I 1941 01:55:24,240 --> 01:55:28,980 responsible? I look, you know, being asked to apologise, you 1942 01:55:28,980 --> 01:55:29,280 know, 1943 01:55:30,300 --> 01:55:31,590 I don't know. That's why we're asking 1944 01:55:31,680 --> 01:55:36,150 them for 2016. If Hillary Clinton is the nominee, you will 1945 01:55:36,150 --> 01:55:37,170 be supporting her. 1946 01:55:37,800 --> 01:55:41,340 I think the idea of a Donald Trump or a Ted Cruz presidency 1947 01:55:41,340 --> 01:55:44,880 would be an unmitigated disaster for this country. I will do 1948 01:55:44,880 --> 01:55:48,420 everything in my power and work as hard as I can to make sure 1949 01:55:48,420 --> 01:55:51,240 that that does not happen and if Secretary Clinton is the 1950 01:55:51,240 --> 01:55:53,250 nominee, I will certainly support him 1951 01:55:53,490 --> 01:55:54,270 thank you for coming. 1952 01:55:54,810 --> 01:55:56,160 Thank you always a pleasure 1953 01:56:03,120 --> 01:56:06,600 book of knowledge and it was weird definition of unmitigated. 1954 01:56:07,620 --> 01:56:10,710 The word unmitigated means not diminished or moderated in 1955 01:56:10,710 --> 01:56:14,640 intensity or severity, sometimes Used as an intensifier. Okay, 1956 01:56:14,670 --> 01:56:15,090 got it. 1957 01:56:16,710 --> 01:56:20,370 Just wondering. Meanwhile, of course, Bill Clinton got into a 1958 01:56:20,370 --> 01:56:22,980 beef. Yeah, that was kind of cool with Black Lives Matter. Do 1959 01:56:22,980 --> 01:56:26,730 you clip it that you have to play? Yeah, okay. Bill Clinton, 1960 01:56:26,730 --> 01:56:37,470 whereas loses it? Yeah. Okay, I've heard it. 1961 01:56:37,560 --> 01:56:40,890 Can I answer? Cities understands. This is what's the 1962 01:56:40,890 --> 01:56:44,850 matter? I don't know how you would characterise the gang 1963 01:56:44,850 --> 01:56:49,950 leaders who got 13 year old kids hopped up on crack and sent him 1964 01:56:49,950 --> 01:56:54,360 out on the street to murder other African American children. 1965 01:56:54,840 --> 01:57:00,480 Do you thought they were good citizens? She did. You are the 1966 01:57:01,020 --> 01:57:02,610 people who killed 1967 01:57:07,140 --> 01:57:19,440 What's this porn music? Oh, straight from the divorce 1968 01:57:19,530 --> 01:57:22,470 studios in northern Silicon Valley. 1969 01:57:24,450 --> 01:57:31,170 Music didn't notice the vamp before your time. 1970 01:57:32,070 --> 01:57:36,780 Yeah, someone got it somewhere. You know that Hillary. So it's 1971 01:57:36,780 --> 01:57:39,900 clear now Hillary must be present. Even if they can just 1972 01:57:39,900 --> 01:57:43,440 get her brain in a jar in the Oval Office. There'll be happy. 1973 01:57:43,650 --> 01:57:47,580 Yes, it'd be fine. Yeah, that's good. Futurama, Dick Nixon and I 1974 01:57:47,580 --> 01:57:53,850 heard from one of our producers who was close to the to the 1975 01:57:53,880 --> 01:57:59,280 Democrat camp, that this the illness Hillary illness is real, 1976 01:57:59,400 --> 01:58:04,080 and she has a blood clot and cannot be operated on. And this 1977 01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:06,270 will have to come out eventually. Because someone's 1978 01:58:06,270 --> 01:58:09,180 going to bring up the health aspect if she's elected. 1979 01:58:10,920 --> 01:58:13,140 Again, whoever they pick for vice president's going to end 1980 01:58:13,140 --> 01:58:15,270 up, you know, there's going to be more important than her. 1981 01:58:15,300 --> 01:58:18,900 Yeah. And who knows who that's gonna be? Well, I have no clue 1982 01:58:18,900 --> 01:58:19,890 about that, either. No, we 1983 01:58:19,890 --> 01:58:23,400 don't know. Right. We know. Well, I know who I know. I know. 1984 01:58:23,430 --> 01:58:26,850 It's gonna be one of the Castro brothers. Those the den the 1985 01:58:26,850 --> 01:58:31,440 Democrat roll, or I don't know what their names are. They're in 1986 01:58:31,440 --> 01:58:34,230 Texas there. Oh, that was getting that and that's gonna be 1987 01:58:34,230 --> 01:58:39,330 one of the Castro's Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Well, you gotta 1988 01:58:39,330 --> 01:58:45,030 get Latino. You got to. Yeah, I think one of the Castro boys. 1989 01:58:45,660 --> 01:58:48,180 Anyway, Matt Lauer interviewed Hillary Clinton. Thank you for 1990 01:58:48,180 --> 01:58:51,330 the newsletter, by the way. Nice picture of a dog 1991 01:58:54,000 --> 01:58:55,140 with a picture of a dog. 1992 01:58:56,550 --> 01:58:58,470 While you had a whole bunch of you hold a whole bunch of 1993 01:58:58,470 --> 01:59:05,970 Hillary pictures in there. Man, that was really I was. It made 1994 01:59:05,970 --> 01:59:06,780 me sad. 1995 01:59:06,809 --> 01:59:11,669 Really? Yeah, it was that one picture of her. She's like, 1996 01:59:11,699 --> 01:59:13,559 unbelievably gorgeous. 1997 01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:15,660 Yeah, back in the day. 1998 01:59:16,920 --> 01:59:21,840 Yeah, but it was like, and it's not that. That's what makes kind 1999 01:59:21,840 --> 01:59:24,450 of confirms I mean, she looks like someone who is ill. 2000 01:59:25,230 --> 01:59:28,890 Yeah. But her pupils were not big on this interview, by the 2001 01:59:28,890 --> 01:59:32,850 way. But a lot of people said that they thought that one 2002 01:59:32,880 --> 01:59:35,430 possible reason she may have really odd on the cough 2003 01:59:35,430 --> 01:59:38,160 suppressant and that that would give you the dilated pupils 2004 01:59:38,160 --> 01:59:39,660 during the Rachel Maddow interview. 2005 01:59:40,620 --> 01:59:43,170 Coughing Yeah, she needs to take something at least you had the 2006 01:59:43,170 --> 01:59:43,800 laugh going 2007 01:59:43,800 --> 01:59:48,210 once again in this one, the big cat as she actually addressed 2008 01:59:48,660 --> 01:59:51,630 the emails, again, with Matt Lauer. 2009 01:59:51,660 --> 01:59:54,930 And if I say to somebody on the Republican side, aren't you 2010 01:59:54,960 --> 01:59:58,710 nervous about what's happening with this campaign and this 2011 01:59:58,710 --> 02:00:01,830 division and what might have happened to the convention? Do 2012 02:00:01,830 --> 02:00:05,700 you know what I hear a lot. They are clinging to the hope that 2013 02:00:05,700 --> 02:00:08,700 the way they'll be able to deal with that is that at some point 2014 02:00:08,700 --> 02:00:12,720 between now and the election, and they say this, they say 2015 02:00:12,720 --> 02:00:16,440 this, that they will get to see Hillary Clinton in handcuffs. 2016 02:00:16,470 --> 02:00:21,330 Oh, my there will be some kind of political that based on your 2017 02:00:21,330 --> 02:00:21,750 private 2018 02:00:21,750 --> 02:00:25,650 I like that political perp walk. Possible title. I like that a 2019 02:00:25,650 --> 02:00:26,070 lot. 2020 02:00:27,330 --> 02:00:31,080 You some kind of political purpose that based on your 2021 02:00:31,080 --> 02:00:32,640 private email server that 2022 02:00:32,700 --> 02:00:36,570 Well, Matt, I know that they live in that world of fantasy 2023 02:00:36,570 --> 02:00:39,030 and help because they've got a mess on their hands on the 2024 02:00:39,030 --> 02:00:42,120 Republican side. That is not going to happen. There is not 2025 02:00:42,120 --> 02:00:44,730 even the remotest chance that it's going to happen. Have a 2026 02:00:44,730 --> 02:00:45,840 lawyer, your lawyer. So 2027 02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:49,410 how do you see this? And do you think the FBI and the Justice 2028 02:00:49,410 --> 02:00:51,240 Department write you a letter and say it was a 2029 02:00:51,240 --> 02:00:54,300 misunderstanding? We're sorry, carry on? 2030 02:00:54,450 --> 02:00:57,840 Well, we're certainly going to carry on I think it's it's it's 2031 02:00:57,840 --> 02:01:01,230 a security review. It is a security review. Oh, 2032 02:01:01,230 --> 02:01:03,990 okay. A security review. 2033 02:01:06,810 --> 02:01:11,310 A security review? Bullshit. Okay, nice. All righty. Well, 2034 02:01:11,700 --> 02:01:14,940 let me tell you, here's an example of an extreme bot. 2035 02:01:15,870 --> 02:01:19,110 Hillary bot. What are we what was the word we learned? Oh, 2036 02:01:19,110 --> 02:01:23,790 Hillary tarde. So mele untarred Killa. Tar now Hillary, Hillary, 2037 02:01:23,820 --> 02:01:29,400 Hillary. Hillary tard whatever the retard. Joy read. Joy read. 2038 02:01:29,430 --> 02:01:31,590 She said you know her from MSNBC joy. 2039 02:01:31,650 --> 02:01:32,670 Yeah, no worries. 2040 02:01:34,020 --> 02:01:37,650 Man, you know, the talking points are she's the most 2041 02:01:37,650 --> 02:01:41,490 qualified. Her resume is the best hold your nose so you don't 2042 02:01:41,490 --> 02:01:43,980 puke while you're voting for her. But she's really the best. 2043 02:01:43,980 --> 02:01:45,930 She's the best. She's a badass. 2044 02:01:46,560 --> 02:01:49,740 They just seem to be a double standard for women joy. What is 2045 02:01:49,740 --> 02:01:50,520 your takeaway? 2046 02:01:50,730 --> 02:01:52,830 Well, I you know, I think that if you look at Hillary Clinton's 2047 02:01:52,830 --> 02:01:55,170 qualifications, I mean, my God, you know, since the founding 2048 02:01:55,170 --> 02:01:57,540 fathers, has anyone tried to run for president with more on their 2049 02:01:57,540 --> 02:02:01,740 resume? So I think Nancy Adams, maybe, maybe John Quincy Adams, 2050 02:02:02,310 --> 02:02:03,570 Jefferson Adams and to get to go, 2051 02:02:04,140 --> 02:02:06,990 I've heard that before. And it's such bullcrap. 2052 02:02:06,990 --> 02:02:09,330 Isn't it? Great. That she is each he's better a 2053 02:02:09,330 --> 02:02:14,730 founding father. She's what been a senator reelected once. And 2054 02:02:14,730 --> 02:02:17,280 then she was Secretary of State and screwed things up. That's 2055 02:02:17,310 --> 02:02:20,700 it. But the wife of a president 2056 02:02:21,630 --> 02:02:24,150 look at Hillary Clinton's qualifications. I mean, my God, 2057 02:02:24,150 --> 02:02:26,460 you know, since the founding fathers, anyone tried the 2058 02:02:26,460 --> 02:02:29,100 President with more on their resume? So I think honestly, I 2059 02:02:29,100 --> 02:02:32,040 mean, see Adams, maybe, maybe John Quincy Adams, true, true, 2060 02:02:32,040 --> 02:02:34,470 true Jefferson Adams, and you get to go back like literally to 2061 02:02:34,470 --> 02:02:38,070 the 18th century to find somebody with a packed resume 2062 02:02:38,070 --> 02:02:38,820 that Hillary Clinton 2063 02:02:39,150 --> 02:02:42,900 didn't even know one since the 18th century. Has anyone been 2064 02:02:42,960 --> 02:02:46,680 eligible for president who has this kind of resume? And she's 2065 02:02:46,679 --> 02:02:50,249 never had an executive job. In other words, she's never been a 2066 02:02:50,249 --> 02:02:54,419 governor or even a mayor, which Bernie Sanders has been. She's 2067 02:02:54,419 --> 02:02:58,619 just been a legislator. Yeah. And then Secretary of State 2068 02:02:58,619 --> 02:03:01,769 which is which is just a job it's not like you're you're 2069 02:03:01,769 --> 02:03:05,129 running and you're running the State Department. But I guess 2070 02:03:05,129 --> 02:03:09,419 there's a little executive action there so Okay, fine. I 2071 02:03:09,419 --> 02:03:09,659 wouldn't 2072 02:03:09,660 --> 02:03:10,980 have beautiful cheese 2073 02:03:13,980 --> 02:03:17,460 like I think she's barely qualified if then maybe Are you 2074 02:03:17,460 --> 02:03:18,900 she's not qualified at all. 2075 02:03:21,210 --> 02:03:23,370 The not the not physically 2076 02:03:23,400 --> 02:03:25,530 done a very good job as Secretary of State when she did 2077 02:03:25,530 --> 02:03:28,620 have a management job. No. had their own server screwed that 2078 02:03:28,620 --> 02:03:34,770 up. Yeah. felon is a felon. Belen, she's a felon. So Toobin. 2079 02:03:34,980 --> 02:03:38,010 Now we should be she should be. So we have New York this week, 2080 02:03:38,010 --> 02:03:41,460 New York, New York. This is the big deal, New York. This is Don 2081 02:03:41,460 --> 02:03:47,670 de Donald hometown, New York. And, of course, Boston, Arch 2082 02:03:47,670 --> 02:03:50,520 Rivals Boston. I don't know if you saw the Boston Globe this 2083 02:03:50,520 --> 02:03:56,640 morning. That they had a fake front page that they printed up 2084 02:03:56,640 --> 02:03:59,820 they didn't make it the front page, but they put it in today's 2085 02:04:00,570 --> 02:04:06,240 paper and it was the Boston Globe Sunday, April 9 2017. The 2086 02:04:06,240 --> 02:04:10,710 headline is deportations to begin. President Trump calls for 2087 02:04:10,710 --> 02:04:16,200 tripling of ice force riots continue. Market sink as trade 2088 02:04:16,200 --> 02:04:21,360 war looms. US soldiers refuse orders to kill ISIS families. 2089 02:04:22,050 --> 02:04:25,320 These are all stories and then full stories. They're done. Or 2090 02:04:25,320 --> 02:04:28,740 at least the front page part of it. Bank glitch halts border 2091 02:04:28,740 --> 02:04:35,040 wall work. Trump won Nobel Prize shortlist this is pretty 2092 02:04:35,040 --> 02:04:38,490 unprecedented. I don't think I've ever seen anything like 2093 02:04:38,490 --> 02:04:39,360 this in an election. 2094 02:04:40,650 --> 02:04:43,200 This election is great. I know I'm thank you 2095 02:04:43,200 --> 02:04:47,310 so much. Donald and Bernie really both of us. Okay so 2096 02:04:47,310 --> 02:04:55,320 Toobin. We, what we have now we have a whole bunch of people 2097 02:04:55,320 --> 02:04:59,160 trying to punch down all kinds of camps is very confusing, but 2098 02:04:59,190 --> 02:05:05,220 we have a big end anti cruise narrative going on and it's a 2099 02:05:05,220 --> 02:05:08,280 good one. Because you know, what do we do? Well here in America, 2100 02:05:08,280 --> 02:05:11,310 if we want to really make someone look like an a hole, you 2101 02:05:11,310 --> 02:05:16,500 make them racist. You make them homophobic. Yep, you make them 2102 02:05:16,830 --> 02:05:21,180 Islamophobic good. But the best way there's one left, there's 2103 02:05:21,180 --> 02:05:25,080 always a good one, particularly in New York. You make him an 2104 02:05:25,080 --> 02:05:28,590 anti Semite, a Jew hater by Him do and I 2105 02:05:28,589 --> 02:05:31,139 think the new New York values thing is a big problem. I mean, 2106 02:05:31,139 --> 02:05:34,229 let's be honest. Remember what Ted Cruz said. He said, you 2107 02:05:34,229 --> 02:05:37,139 know, New York values are about money. And they're about the 2108 02:05:37,139 --> 02:05:41,099 media. That's an anti semitic trope from 100 years. It's been 2109 02:05:41,099 --> 02:05:44,069 around for a very long time everyone in New York, everyone 2110 02:05:44,069 --> 02:05:47,669 in the whole country understands what he was saying. And that's a 2111 02:05:47,669 --> 02:05:50,729 big problem once you get to New York, not just among Jewish 2112 02:05:50,729 --> 02:05:53,819 voters, but among people who don't appreciate those kinds of 2113 02:05:53,819 --> 02:05:57,569 stereotypes. Trump is going to hammer away on it, and Cruz can 2114 02:05:57,569 --> 02:06:01,139 try to explain it away. But you know, you can't explain what you 2115 02:06:01,139 --> 02:06:02,849 said when its meaning is obvious. 2116 02:06:02,910 --> 02:06:06,030 But he was he says he was referring to, to liberal 2117 02:06:06,030 --> 02:06:09,930 politicians in New York State. And he mentioned they mentioned 2118 02:06:09,960 --> 02:06:13,440 Cuomo, you mentioned Charlie wrangle Anthony Weiner. You 2119 02:06:13,440 --> 02:06:16,380 heard the list of the people he mentioned today, but but they 2120 02:06:16,380 --> 02:06:19,680 have nothing to do with money and media. Money and media is 2121 02:06:19,680 --> 02:06:22,980 June. I mean, this is just an old fashion anti semitic 2122 02:06:23,280 --> 02:06:26,400 stereotype money and derogatory term and everybody on 2123 02:06:26,400 --> 02:06:31,740 money in media is Jews, Jews, your Jew hater, Cruz hates the 2124 02:06:31,740 --> 02:06:36,930 Jews. Cruz against Jews lets us know what he actually said that 2125 02:06:36,930 --> 02:06:37,890 night. There are many, 2126 02:06:37,890 --> 02:06:40,800 many wonderful, wonderful working men and women in the 2127 02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:46,260 state of New York. But everyone understands that the values in 2128 02:06:46,260 --> 02:06:50,340 New York City are socially liberal or pro abortion or pro 2129 02:06:50,340 --> 02:06:55,560 gay marriage, focus around money and the media. And I guess I can 2130 02:06:55,590 --> 02:07:00,540 confirm it another way. Not a lot of conservatives come out of 2131 02:07:00,540 --> 02:07:02,760 Manhattan. I'm just saying 2132 02:07:04,650 --> 02:07:07,560 there was not a lot of noise about this being anti semitic 2133 02:07:07,560 --> 02:07:12,810 when he first said it. Was there. Maybe we might we might 2134 02:07:12,810 --> 02:07:16,470 have mentioned a couch money in the media in part of a long kind 2135 02:07:16,470 --> 02:07:20,640 of a diatribe. Yeah. So context. There's money in the media. It's 2136 02:07:20,640 --> 02:07:24,180 about money in the media. Yeah. That's it's a con York is a 2137 02:07:24,180 --> 02:07:26,640 financial centre. It's about money. That's money. Its 2138 02:07:26,640 --> 02:07:29,370 financial centres got all the find the whole downtown is about 2139 02:07:29,370 --> 02:07:33,030 finance. And the rest of the, you know, is publishing, 2140 02:07:34,320 --> 02:07:39,060 broadcasting, all that sort of thing. I think that would you 2141 02:07:39,060 --> 02:07:42,330 talked about earlier, those guys are in New York, the 2142 02:07:42,360 --> 02:07:47,220 syndicators, right. That's the media. And what else is in New 2143 02:07:47,220 --> 02:07:50,640 York, besides the money in the media is, you know, just support 2144 02:07:50,640 --> 02:07:51,120 stuff. 2145 02:07:51,630 --> 02:07:54,600 Are you really defending Ted Cruz? You know, he's, you know, 2146 02:07:54,600 --> 02:07:55,680 he's anti Semite. 2147 02:07:55,889 --> 02:07:58,139 Well, I do know he's anti Semite, but that's beside the 2148 02:07:58,500 --> 02:08:02,640 media, money and media as Jews. I mean, this is just an old 2149 02:08:02,640 --> 02:08:06,780 fashioned anti semitic stereotype, derogatory term, and 2150 02:08:06,780 --> 02:08:07,770 everybody understands 2151 02:08:08,370 --> 02:08:09,750 that we all get it. Well, you know, I'm 2152 02:08:09,750 --> 02:08:12,120 sure he's gonna dispute that. But let me move on to David. 2153 02:08:12,990 --> 02:08:26,070 Move on, move on. This one's for you. The shapeshifting Jews 2154 02:08:33,210 --> 02:08:36,510 never go. Hey, do you see what happened to Mashable? 2155 02:08:37,830 --> 02:08:40,050 Well, before you leave that, do I do want to play this Trump 2156 02:08:40,050 --> 02:08:44,070 thing? Oh, I'm sorry. Because I've got this Trump clip does 2157 02:08:44,070 --> 02:08:47,100 the CBS rap. CBS we know hates Trump. They're the they're the 2158 02:08:47,100 --> 02:08:51,330 most pro Hillary of the of the network's. And they brought in 2159 02:08:51,330 --> 02:08:54,930 the new guy, his new campaign manager who looks like some sort 2160 02:08:54,930 --> 02:08:58,920 of a bouncer at a major hotel major Casino. Nice. You seen 2161 02:08:58,920 --> 02:09:03,390 this guy? No. Oh, yeah. He's a new guy. He's got the stripes. 2162 02:09:03,420 --> 02:09:08,460 This pinstripe. big thick neck. Double Yeah. double breasted 2163 02:09:08,460 --> 02:09:10,530 shirt. He's got the kind of tight and he has his talk. 2164 02:09:10,920 --> 02:09:13,380 Sounds like one of those guys who does cold calling for 2165 02:09:13,380 --> 02:09:14,160 stockbrokers 2166 02:09:14,370 --> 02:09:17,580 for a boiler room. It is like a used car salesman. 2167 02:09:17,850 --> 02:09:19,950 And you gotta listen to this guy. You got two clips of 2168 02:09:19,950 --> 02:09:21,600 minutes. This is a good wrap of what's 2169 02:09:21,600 --> 02:09:23,850 going on with the camera. I can't wait to hear what this guy 2170 02:09:23,850 --> 02:09:24,120 is. 2171 02:09:24,660 --> 02:09:28,470 We are going to start winning again. Folks. Donald Trump's 2172 02:09:28,470 --> 02:09:31,620 new campaign chief Paul Manafort promises that billionaire 2173 02:09:31,620 --> 02:09:35,730 developer will win the GOP nomination outright. The reality 2174 02:09:35,730 --> 02:09:39,210 is this convention process will be over with sometime in June 2175 02:09:39,210 --> 02:09:43,860 probably June 7, and it'll be apparent to the world that Trump 2176 02:09:43,860 --> 02:09:47,700 is over the 1237 number. That's the magic number to secure the 2177 02:09:47,700 --> 02:09:51,570 nomination without a floor fight at the July convention. But Ted 2178 02:09:51,570 --> 02:09:54,390 Cruz has narrowed Trump's advantage with a win in 2179 02:09:54,390 --> 02:09:57,780 Wisconsin and likely new delegates support in Colorado, 2180 02:09:57,780 --> 02:10:01,170 Louisiana and North Dakota. You got to understand what the game 2181 02:10:01,170 --> 02:10:05,130 is. If the game is a second, third or fourth ballot, then 2182 02:10:05,130 --> 02:10:08,850 what he's doing is clever. But if there's only one ballot, what 2183 02:10:08,850 --> 02:10:13,740 he's doing is meaningless. This all has the makings of the 1976 2184 02:10:13,740 --> 02:10:17,580 contested Republican convention. When Ronald Reagan challenged 2185 02:10:17,580 --> 02:10:20,910 President Gerald Ford, Frank Donatella, he was a youth 2186 02:10:20,910 --> 02:10:22,350 organiser for Reagan. 2187 02:10:22,590 --> 02:10:26,760 At that point, the delegates ceases to be an extra on a four 2188 02:10:26,760 --> 02:10:29,460 night mini series where he supposed he or she are supposed 2189 02:10:29,460 --> 02:10:32,670 to applaud at the right times, and they become real agents of 2190 02:10:32,670 --> 02:10:33,300 the party. 2191 02:10:33,330 --> 02:10:36,780 Ford kept delegates in line by offering among other things 2192 02:10:36,780 --> 02:10:41,280 rides aboard Air Force One and seats at state dinners. The laws 2193 02:10:41,280 --> 02:10:44,100 governing incentives to delegates are murky, something 2194 02:10:44,100 --> 02:10:47,250 that candidates this year could exploit. And after a first 2195 02:10:47,250 --> 02:10:50,160 ballot, most delegates can switch alliances. 2196 02:10:50,280 --> 02:10:54,690 Could you you know, offer transportation or room and board 2197 02:10:54,690 --> 02:10:58,140 or something. I mean, there's a lot of ways to persuade 2198 02:10:58,140 --> 02:10:59,190 uncommitted delegates. 2199 02:11:00,240 --> 02:11:03,480 Trump could offer flights aboard his helicopter or luxurious 2200 02:11:03,480 --> 02:11:07,380 private jet a weekend at Mar a Lago club. A tee time at Trump 2201 02:11:07,380 --> 02:11:12,150 National but James ideology sometimes, Trump's trips or 2202 02:11:12,150 --> 02:11:16,140 presents and for conservatives crews may prove more attractive 2203 02:11:16,470 --> 02:11:17,190 than loot 2204 02:11:22,320 --> 02:11:23,520 Roomba that guy huh? 2205 02:11:23,940 --> 02:11:27,180 Oh, he's kind of toxic. He talks like a stock guy. I got some 2206 02:11:27,180 --> 02:11:30,210 stock for it. I'm just gonna be this we've done the research 2207 02:11:30,210 --> 02:11:33,390 this thing is gonna go I know it's gonna fly. It's we've got 2208 02:11:33,390 --> 02:11:34,920 it. You can get it now and get it now. Just 2209 02:11:34,920 --> 02:11:37,710 think this thing's pre rocket. This thing's pre rocket stage, 2210 02:11:37,710 --> 02:11:40,530 baby. It's gonna get by the likes. Do you? Would you like to 2211 02:11:40,530 --> 02:11:40,740 leave? 2212 02:11:41,130 --> 02:11:42,690 Money? Don't you want to make you want 2213 02:11:42,690 --> 02:11:44,670 to make so much money? Do you want to make so much money you 2214 02:11:44,670 --> 02:11:46,500 can leave your wife that's that's how much money you're 2215 02:11:46,500 --> 02:11:48,570 gonna make. You'd like to buy stocks and bonds. 2216 02:11:50,550 --> 02:11:54,060 With the sound, it sounds only sounds like one of the guests is 2217 02:11:54,060 --> 02:11:55,260 really good at Yeah. 2218 02:11:56,400 --> 02:11:59,070 Well as that kind of guy if he says don't worry about it. I 2219 02:11:59,070 --> 02:12:03,000 won't worry about it. Probably be good or be good. Don't worry 2220 02:12:03,000 --> 02:12:07,500 about it. So we talked about radios demise, which is well on 2221 02:12:07,500 --> 02:12:09,990 its way and doesn't mean it's being replaced by anything. 2222 02:12:10,260 --> 02:12:15,900 point that out. Things something just do go away. But the news of 2223 02:12:15,900 --> 02:12:23,190 Mashable pivot took me by surprise. I've been expecting 2224 02:12:23,190 --> 02:12:26,760 something I've been expecting one of these newfangled news 2225 02:12:26,790 --> 02:12:32,220 outfits to have to eventually, you know, fold into what really 2226 02:12:32,220 --> 02:12:34,350 what they really need to be but this one just happened. Did you 2227 02:12:34,350 --> 02:12:34,950 see this? 2228 02:12:36,150 --> 02:12:37,710 Yeah, I know all about it. Okay, well, I 2229 02:12:37,710 --> 02:12:40,680 want your input because what I what I understand is they're 2230 02:12:40,680 --> 02:12:45,240 going to get rid of news and editorials staff, and they're 2231 02:12:45,240 --> 02:12:47,250 going to do native ads in video. 2232 02:12:48,960 --> 02:12:51,240 Well, these all these guys are going through the native ad 2233 02:12:51,240 --> 02:12:56,070 thing. What they did was they do they're only getting rid of a 2234 02:12:56,070 --> 02:13:00,330 piece of the company that is was doing the political kind of the 2235 02:13:00,330 --> 02:13:01,560 high end news. 2236 02:13:01,740 --> 02:13:04,020 Right? That How about their tech news? 2237 02:13:04,890 --> 02:13:06,810 I think their tech news is intact. I 2238 02:13:06,810 --> 02:13:09,360 don't think so. I think so. Okay. 2239 02:13:12,210 --> 02:13:16,560 Well, what they're more into the original orientation of Mashable 2240 02:13:16,710 --> 02:13:21,000 was lifestyle bullcrap. Right? And so they their tech news was 2241 02:13:21,000 --> 02:13:23,910 kind of lifestyle. And the verge kind of took the same idea. And 2242 02:13:23,910 --> 02:13:27,960 they kind of amped it up a little bit. And Mashable when 2243 02:13:27,990 --> 02:13:31,680 kind of tried to get a broader scope. And they couldn't do it. 2244 02:13:31,680 --> 02:13:34,770 They didn't have they had people that was just causing too much 2245 02:13:35,070 --> 02:13:38,250 is they're doing videos, they were producing videos, and all 2246 02:13:38,250 --> 02:13:39,720 these things. Nobody was watching, because they were 2247 02:13:39,720 --> 02:13:41,940 still more interested in the Kardashians. And they were 2248 02:13:41,970 --> 02:13:46,050 right, in anything that somebody produced. The advice have that 2249 02:13:46,050 --> 02:13:48,480 stuff. Yeah, because they do a better job anyway. 2250 02:13:48,720 --> 02:13:50,940 Well, I think I think that's, I think that's what's happening, 2251 02:13:50,940 --> 02:13:54,270 John, I think everyone's trying to go after the vice model. 2252 02:13:54,540 --> 02:13:56,790 But I think they may have tried and they failed. And they just 2253 02:13:56,790 --> 02:14:00,210 got rid of that whole subsidy, they cut out the rest of it. 2254 02:14:00,930 --> 02:14:03,660 But if you if you see they've had three rounds of investment, 2255 02:14:03,660 --> 02:14:07,200 it's all been Turner, Time Warner resolve in the TV guys. 2256 02:14:08,250 --> 02:14:11,880 You're gonna get bought. Well, yeah. But basically, every year 2257 02:14:11,880 --> 02:14:15,030 they picked up 15 million probably cost about 17 million 2258 02:14:15,030 --> 02:14:18,060 to run the thing. And then now they're out of money again. And 2259 02:14:18,060 --> 02:14:20,670 now. So okay, you need a new round. Well, it's going to be a 2260 02:14:20,670 --> 02:14:23,820 down round. Hello, Silicon Valley, HBO. It's gonna be a 2261 02:14:23,820 --> 02:14:26,940 down round, and you have to show your revenue. And so this is how 2262 02:14:26,940 --> 02:14:28,470 you're going to do it. And you're going to be making this 2263 02:14:28,470 --> 02:14:31,230 stuff for us because you'll see that the video there'll be 2264 02:14:31,230 --> 02:14:36,600 producing will eventually wind up on Turner properties. But 2265 02:14:36,600 --> 02:14:39,060 it's about time this bullshit started to fade away. 2266 02:14:39,540 --> 02:14:41,820 Well, it's not fading away fast enough. 2267 02:14:43,170 --> 02:14:46,890 Anyway, I was just looking at that going, Wow, I know what 2268 02:14:46,890 --> 02:14:49,710 that feels like. And I know we'll never feel like that on 2269 02:14:49,710 --> 02:14:50,220 this show. 2270 02:14:50,730 --> 02:14:54,180 I'm going to show my school by donate to no agenda. Imagine all 2271 02:14:54,180 --> 02:15:04,500 the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fun. Same Obama, 2272 02:15:05,220 --> 02:15:09,570 and that's a diverse segue you've done for a while. Thank 2273 02:15:09,570 --> 02:15:12,750 you. My name is I mentioned it so I can ruin it the way you did 2274 02:15:12,780 --> 02:15:16,470 last time. I did a good segue. But we do have a few people to 2275 02:15:16,470 --> 02:15:19,170 think it nonnamous At the top of the list from Denver, Colorado 2276 02:15:19,170 --> 02:15:28,410 12345 followed by Laura Whiteside in cook, cook cook 2277 02:15:28,470 --> 02:15:37,560 cook in his Minnesota nuts $100 We got Dave Carey and Claremont 2278 02:15:37,830 --> 02:15:40,710 Hello, Florida at 150 and then we have great 2279 02:15:40,710 --> 02:15:44,100 Wait Wait, wait he has a call out. Dave. Dave Kerry has a call 2280 02:15:44,100 --> 02:15:44,430 out 2281 02:15:44,730 --> 02:15:48,780 well I says never donated. Oh, okay. Please call out my boss. 2282 02:15:49,110 --> 02:15:56,250 Jay be as a douchebag to listener and n a t shirt where? 2283 02:15:56,370 --> 02:16:02,580 Oh man. That's just haven't been around for a while. Everyone's 2284 02:16:02,580 --> 02:16:07,290 got somebody today we're making some T shirts. Okay. Patricia, 2285 02:16:07,320 --> 02:16:10,350 Patricia and William. I'm sorry Robin. 2286 02:16:10,380 --> 02:16:11,940 You missed one up and we nubbin. Yeah 2287 02:16:11,940 --> 02:16:17,400 nubbin nubbin from Indianapolis Indiana. nubbin from India says 2288 02:16:17,400 --> 02:16:22,350 eight oh a which is boobs. And Patricia and William Cotter. 2289 02:16:22,530 --> 02:16:29,430 COTTER to TT er from New Brighton Minnesota. Boobs 80 Oh 2290 02:16:29,430 --> 02:16:32,610 808 boobs, which I'm just going to call boobs for now. That's 2291 02:16:32,610 --> 02:16:35,700 the whole point here to the word boobs. But that's your donation. 2292 02:16:35,850 --> 02:16:36,390 Now, 2293 02:16:36,479 --> 02:16:41,609 if you want to hear really big boobs, it's $800.80 2294 02:16:42,570 --> 02:16:43,650 That's huge. Boop 2295 02:16:44,760 --> 02:16:45,960 boop Oh, 2296 02:16:46,229 --> 02:16:53,069 Laurie Sinclair and Napoleon Ohio. 74. And there was I 2297 02:16:53,069 --> 02:16:57,569 thought there was a she's the one who had it was a some sort 2298 02:16:57,569 --> 02:17:00,539 of a, some, like a birthday or something 2299 02:17:00,810 --> 02:17:01,830 rather vague. 2300 02:17:03,600 --> 02:17:06,330 Sorry, Laurie. We'll figure this out and take care of it and 2301 02:17:06,330 --> 02:17:09,630 Thursday if there's a problem. John Hamilton in Carlsbad, 2302 02:17:09,630 --> 02:17:14,910 California. 6961 Christopher grey in Grand Blanc, Michigan 2303 02:17:14,910 --> 02:17:21,270 6633. Sir inside jobs there in Seattle Black Knights 6666 Eric 2304 02:17:21,270 --> 02:17:29,340 Mahoney in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. 5987. Sir Kevin Payne in 2305 02:17:29,340 --> 02:17:33,780 Richmond, Virginia. 5432. Carolyn peed in Aubrey, Texas. 2306 02:17:33,780 --> 02:17:42,360 5416. Joseph Kramer is weekly SUID Sewickley. Pennsylvania. We 2307 02:17:42,360 --> 02:17:47,370 got a wife her wife's birthday coming up for it was 5031 James 2308 02:17:47,370 --> 02:17:50,970 Green and Sugar Hill, Georgia 5005. Now the rest of these are 2309 02:17:50,970 --> 02:17:55,290 $50 donors and that'd be read in order. By the way, James says go 2310 02:17:55,290 --> 02:18:03,300 podcasting. Read in order. Tony would Nicole Russo in Paradise 2311 02:18:03,300 --> 02:18:08,040 Valley, Arizona, anonymous in Arlington, Massachusetts. Very 2312 02:18:08,040 --> 02:18:15,720 long note here. Just big fan of the show. Oh, yeah. Another one 2313 02:18:15,720 --> 02:18:19,800 of these. Yeah. Yeah. One of these guys who comes in with 2314 02:18:19,800 --> 02:18:24,480 this. He's anonymous, by the way. Mr. Doar, AK. What evidence 2315 02:18:24,480 --> 02:18:27,150 if any, would you accept to consider global warming as a 2316 02:18:27,150 --> 02:18:30,630 legitimate threat? Even a crisis? 2317 02:18:31,770 --> 02:18:34,200 Yeah. What evidence? 2318 02:18:34,380 --> 02:18:39,540 I do have a Yeah. Evidence, period. Well, we know what the 2319 02:18:39,540 --> 02:18:42,000 hell I want to hear the evidence. I've seen no evidence. 2320 02:18:42,000 --> 02:18:46,410 This is all computer models. With evidence there are others 2321 02:18:46,410 --> 02:18:49,470 numbers aren't right. They don't jet and they keep changing them. 2322 02:18:49,890 --> 02:18:51,600 So show me some evidence and I'm in 2323 02:18:51,630 --> 02:18:55,320 because of what's happening in Greenland right now. The maps of 2324 02:18:55,320 --> 02:18:59,550 the world will have to be redrawn. This is what would 2325 02:18:59,550 --> 02:19:01,260 happen to San Francisco Bay. 2326 02:19:04,469 --> 02:19:07,169 We're going straight to the man for the proof. How are the mud 2327 02:19:07,169 --> 02:19:08,459 flats doing John? 2328 02:19:08,670 --> 02:19:11,940 The mud flats are more dry than they were the last couple of 2329 02:19:11,940 --> 02:19:13,800 shows. There's no water there 2330 02:19:21,450 --> 02:19:25,950 it's all being soaked up by the sponge called Australia. The 2331 02:19:25,950 --> 02:19:31,230 latest John hight and Folsom California 50 Paul Vela in 2332 02:19:31,230 --> 02:19:37,410 Milton Keynes, Buckinghamshire, UK, Sir Paul from Horseheads 50 2333 02:19:37,860 --> 02:19:44,700 Jason de luzio in Chelmsford, Pennsylvania 50. Jared Soos in 2334 02:19:44,700 --> 02:19:47,790 Chicago, Illinois. And finally, last but not least, sir Brett 2335 02:19:47,790 --> 02:19:50,190 Farrell in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. That concludes our 2336 02:19:50,190 --> 02:19:56,040 list of well wishers and been producers for show 815 2337 02:19:56,070 --> 02:19:58,740 Yes. And of course as we always like to say remember we have a 2338 02:19:58,740 --> 02:20:01,170 show coming up on Thursday. We We'll be doing all the work hope 2339 02:20:01,170 --> 02:20:06,750 you join us as well and support the programme as vora.org/and 2340 02:20:06,840 --> 02:20:07,740 A farmer for 2341 02:20:07,740 --> 02:20:19,200 those who needed can't hurt you've got karma nice list today 2342 02:20:19,200 --> 02:20:23,700 John McLaren turned 35. Today Stewart Morrison was will be 30 2343 02:20:23,700 --> 02:20:26,670 on tomorrow April 11. Joseph pretty much says Happy Birthday 2344 02:20:26,670 --> 02:20:31,020 to his hot smokin hot wife Erin. She'll be 31 Tomorrow Laurie 2345 02:20:31,020 --> 02:20:34,110 Sinclair Happy Birthday to Steve. He celebrated April 8 and 2346 02:20:34,110 --> 02:20:37,590 turned 50 Bright Eyes celebrated April 7, and anonymous says 2347 02:20:37,590 --> 02:20:41,400 please please please wish my wife right as a happy birthday. 2348 02:20:41,400 --> 02:20:43,530 Okay, we got it. That was right eyes. Happy birthday to 2349 02:20:43,530 --> 02:20:49,350 everybody here the best podcast in the universe. Okay, now. 2350 02:20:50,940 --> 02:20:55,980 Yeah, we got three nights. So I got my blade and we want John 2351 02:20:55,980 --> 02:21:00,240 LeClaire and Stuart Morrison and bright eyes. This will be a 2352 02:21:00,240 --> 02:21:02,220 Daming. Where's your sword? 2353 02:21:02,550 --> 02:21:03,600 Oh here. 2354 02:21:05,550 --> 02:21:08,220 Alright, young the cleric stood Marcin and bright eyes please 2355 02:21:08,340 --> 02:21:11,910 step up to the podium here. Gather around the lectern and on 2356 02:21:11,910 --> 02:21:15,090 your knees. Because of your support and the best podcasts 2357 02:21:15,090 --> 02:21:18,030 and university amount of $1,000 more I'm very very proud to 2358 02:21:18,030 --> 02:21:20,220 welcome you to the roundtable the Knights of the Dames and I 2359 02:21:20,220 --> 02:21:26,010 hereby pronounce the K these quickie move. Sir Morrison and 2360 02:21:26,160 --> 02:21:31,320 Lac Dame bright eyes for you we have with Atari hookers and blow 2361 02:21:31,320 --> 02:21:34,200 red boys and Chardonnay fry breads and femme bots crickets 2362 02:21:34,200 --> 02:21:37,590 in green DMT and astral travel decades of Dutch dominatrix. 2363 02:21:37,740 --> 02:21:41,100 pokers in Mali, we got puppies and Taylor vintage toward 2364 02:21:41,100 --> 02:21:44,910 cabinets that kind of miss a Cabernet, Han librarian's and 2365 02:21:44,910 --> 02:21:49,800 Jager bombs, ginger ale and dribbles and mutton and Mead. Go 2366 02:21:49,800 --> 02:21:55,200 to no agenda nation.com/rings and pick it up, Eric to show 2367 02:21:55,200 --> 02:21:57,840 we'll take your information and we do have a title change as 2368 02:21:57,840 --> 02:22:01,320 well. Sir Chris spears, as we know, became a Baronet. But he 2369 02:22:01,320 --> 02:22:04,860 may hold that off. So we can call him a baron. And thank you, 2370 02:22:04,860 --> 02:22:10,500 everybody for supporting us. So highly appreciated. Okay, let me 2371 02:22:10,500 --> 02:22:12,840 see. What else did we have going on? 2372 02:22:14,490 --> 02:22:16,830 About the student loan bad news, 2373 02:22:16,920 --> 02:22:20,100 student loan bad news. I didn't think there would be any good 2374 02:22:20,100 --> 02:22:21,030 news in that regard. 2375 02:22:21,180 --> 02:22:24,870 And new data shows more than 40% of people with federal student 2376 02:22:24,870 --> 02:22:28,170 loans in the United States are either behind on their payments 2377 02:22:28,170 --> 02:22:32,310 or refusing to pay entirely a non compliance rate that's 2378 02:22:32,310 --> 02:22:35,280 raising serious questions about the federal government's ability 2379 02:22:35,280 --> 02:22:39,570 to ever collect on these debts. One in six people have defaulted 2380 02:22:39,630 --> 02:22:43,080 entirely. The average student loan debt for last year's 2381 02:22:43,080 --> 02:22:48,120 college graduates was more than $35,000, making the class of 2382 02:22:48,120 --> 02:22:52,470 2015 the most indebted class in US history. 2383 02:22:55,470 --> 02:22:56,460 We're number one 2384 02:22:57,060 --> 02:23:03,870 big, big foam finger. We're number one in debt. We're number 2385 02:23:03,870 --> 02:23:09,510 one in debt. This is a Trump job in that in that townhall thing 2386 02:23:09,510 --> 02:23:12,630 where he screwed up the abortion answer. But he said that was the 2387 02:23:12,630 --> 02:23:15,000 number one question he gets from, from people who come to 2388 02:23:15,000 --> 02:23:18,300 the rallies. What am I gonna do about this debt? I think he 2389 02:23:18,300 --> 02:23:21,330 might. There might be ways to do something about it. Yeah, just 2390 02:23:21,330 --> 02:23:24,210 forgive it. Take a beating. Yeah, that's probably that would 2391 02:23:24,210 --> 02:23:25,860 be a good way for the country take 2392 02:23:25,860 --> 02:23:28,590 a beating and give those kids their money back. Yeah, they got 2393 02:23:28,590 --> 02:23:32,640 gypped. Anyway, first of all, they paid too much tuition. They 2394 02:23:32,640 --> 02:23:37,920 were ripped off. I mean, you borrow $15,000 to get scammed 2395 02:23:37,920 --> 02:23:42,570 out of it by the universities. Yeah. And then they shouldn't 2396 02:23:42,570 --> 02:23:46,110 did none of this should be happening. The universities are 2397 02:23:46,110 --> 02:23:51,720 part of this whole scene, this entire scheme to steal money. 2398 02:23:51,960 --> 02:23:54,630 It's ridiculous. They should just forgive the debts and let 2399 02:23:54,630 --> 02:23:57,120 the it's not as though the kids are borrowed a bunch of money. 2400 02:23:57,120 --> 02:24:00,660 They spent it on hot cars. And all you give them the kid of 2401 02:24:00,660 --> 02:24:05,100 free card. No, they got they got they got ripped off. And from 2402 02:24:05,100 --> 02:24:08,490 every which way, just forgive the debts and get it over with. 2403 02:24:08,820 --> 02:24:12,210 We forgive deaths and donations, forgiven debt to these kids. 2404 02:24:12,240 --> 02:24:15,240 Well, we could start with at least an equal amount. $113 2405 02:24:15,240 --> 02:24:19,620 billion would be a 10 to start. Now, whatever we spent in 2406 02:24:19,620 --> 02:24:22,710 Afghanistan, we can do it. Yeah. Right. Yeah. The worst part is 2407 02:24:22,710 --> 02:24:25,110 that these institutions have now become these places, you know, 2408 02:24:25,110 --> 02:24:28,530 safe spaces and shut up slave and don't say anything to offend 2409 02:24:28,530 --> 02:24:29,040 me. And, 2410 02:24:29,070 --> 02:24:31,800 you know, this is they brought this on themselves. Because if 2411 02:24:31,800 --> 02:24:34,170 you're charging the public school, you're charging 2412 02:24:34,170 --> 02:24:38,760 somebody, I don't know. 15 $20,000 to go there. Yeah, 2413 02:24:38,790 --> 02:24:43,470 they can make a lot of demands on you and they do. So the 2414 02:24:43,470 --> 02:24:47,250 schools just knock the lenders take the money. Build a bunch of 2415 02:24:47,250 --> 02:24:51,900 needless buildings. I saw rageous it is 2416 02:24:51,960 --> 02:24:57,030 yeah, the president said something. Yeah, once again, 2417 02:24:57,030 --> 02:24:59,430 we're talking about the Supreme Court nominee and now you're 2418 02:24:59,430 --> 02:25:03,270 reading article was about the constitutionality of how could 2419 02:25:03,270 --> 02:25:06,570 or couldn't went by boring, dull, boring. But the President 2420 02:25:06,570 --> 02:25:10,680 made a really racist joke. And I just want to point it out that 2421 02:25:10,680 --> 02:25:12,480 is racist and it's not okay. When I look 2422 02:25:12,480 --> 02:25:15,930 at Merrick Garland, that was the person that, you know, the 2423 02:25:15,930 --> 02:25:18,810 differences in Supreme Court is it just a handful of seats come 2424 02:25:18,810 --> 02:25:22,050 up at a given time now, I pointed a Latino woman and 2425 02:25:22,230 --> 02:25:28,950 another woman right before that, so yeah, he's a white guy, but 2426 02:25:28,980 --> 02:25:36,240 he's a really outstanding jurist. Sorry. I think that's 2427 02:25:36,240 --> 02:25:41,520 important, racist. Oh, it's racist. It's a racist joke. It's 2428 02:25:41,520 --> 02:25:47,760 outrageously racist. And everyone's laughing. Oh, yeah, 2429 02:25:48,030 --> 02:25:52,800 that boggles my mind. How can you do that? 2430 02:25:53,310 --> 02:25:54,420 Get over it. Whitey. 2431 02:25:57,060 --> 02:26:04,290 Yeah, I was reading about this new brand of satellites that 2432 02:26:04,680 --> 02:26:08,370 it's called, we see bits, like the follow up to the cube sats. 2433 02:26:09,510 --> 02:26:13,710 And, and these things are, are so small and so light that to 2434 02:26:13,710 --> 02:26:18,300 deploy one into a low Earth orbit. Today, if you want to 2435 02:26:18,300 --> 02:26:20,430 deploy a CubeSat, you're probably going to pay about 2436 02:26:20,430 --> 02:26:24,990 $30,000 to build it and, and launch it and get it into orbit. 2437 02:26:25,260 --> 02:26:31,350 But these, which within the next year, will be launchable for 2438 02:26:31,350 --> 02:26:37,440 around $3,000. What? Yeah, they're really tiny. And I'm 2439 02:26:37,440 --> 02:26:38,700 thinking we should launch one, 2440 02:26:38,970 --> 02:26:41,400 we'll launch one that just broadcast rebroadcast to no 2441 02:26:41,400 --> 02:26:42,630 agenda show worldwide. 2442 02:26:42,869 --> 02:26:45,629 Well, that we can't do that legally. Why? 2443 02:26:47,220 --> 02:26:51,060 Since space, there's, there's lost its face. What are you 2444 02:26:51,060 --> 02:26:54,600 gonna do? Okay, I'm sorry, oh, I don't know what to stop it. Now. 2445 02:26:54,630 --> 02:26:55,830 Well shoot it down. Well, 2446 02:26:55,860 --> 02:26:58,920 we could do two things. One, it could be a beacon it could it 2447 02:26:59,760 --> 02:27:02,580 these are very small, you can't I don't think you can really, 2448 02:27:03,090 --> 02:27:06,150 there's no way we can't be broadcasting, you know, full 2449 02:27:06,390 --> 02:27:10,410 cycle transmitter doesn't work. That way. You can do bursts you 2450 02:27:10,410 --> 02:27:13,590 can beacon. But more importantly, you can relay we 2451 02:27:13,590 --> 02:27:17,670 could and we could set that on a you know, a certain setting or 2452 02:27:18,000 --> 02:27:20,370 that you can't just access it, but we could have our own 2453 02:27:20,400 --> 02:27:25,440 satellite and anybody with you know, $25 I'm not that I'm 2454 02:27:25,440 --> 02:27:27,330 suggesting you should work without a licence, you should 2455 02:27:27,330 --> 02:27:30,900 probably just get your licence and you can use this $25 Chinese 2456 02:27:30,960 --> 02:27:34,350 piece of crap. And you can talk to you can communicate via the 2457 02:27:34,350 --> 02:27:36,900 satellite. Three grand 2458 02:27:40,530 --> 02:27:42,000 Yeah, I'll look into it. 2459 02:27:42,120 --> 02:27:46,500 And so that and you know, if the grid goes down, we'll still be 2460 02:27:46,500 --> 02:27:52,620 able to communicate around the world. Yeah. I can hear your 2461 02:27:52,620 --> 02:27:57,120 enthusiasm. I'm not quite sure what to do with it though. 2462 02:27:57,900 --> 02:28:00,480 Waiting for the grid to go down. I 2463 02:28:01,110 --> 02:28:03,540 I thought it'd be kind of cool. We could have a beaconing no 2464 02:28:03,540 --> 02:28:06,600 agenda all the time. And then we could just have it as our own 2465 02:28:06,600 --> 02:28:07,740 personal little travel 2466 02:28:07,740 --> 02:28:08,610 agenda dot 2467 02:28:10,380 --> 02:28:16,200 radio, guys, ham radio is the public service network of last 2468 02:28:16,200 --> 02:28:19,380 resort. Haha, when the apocalypse comes? Where are the 2469 02:28:19,380 --> 02:28:22,020 guys who are going to save the world? Right? 2470 02:28:24,030 --> 02:28:27,240 Just doing my part, everybody. Look into it. Do the math 2471 02:28:27,240 --> 02:28:27,840 people. 2472 02:28:32,220 --> 02:28:35,790 All right. You had that plane flying around the other day that 2473 02:28:35,790 --> 02:28:38,520 this story has kind of intrigued me. This is the odd story about 2474 02:28:38,520 --> 02:28:39,870 the surveillance planes. 2475 02:28:39,960 --> 02:28:42,780 Oh, yes. They finally have told us kind of what they were doing. 2476 02:28:43,230 --> 02:28:46,260 A new investigation by BuzzFeed has revealed the FBI and the 2477 02:28:46,260 --> 02:28:49,620 Department of Homeland Security are flying dozens of federal 2478 02:28:49,620 --> 02:28:54,090 aircrafts over major US citizens every day. The agency say 2479 02:28:54,090 --> 02:28:56,880 they're not using the flights to conduct mass surveillance, but 2480 02:28:56,880 --> 02:29:01,020 the BuzzFeed investigation shows the planes fly in slow circles 2481 02:29:01,020 --> 02:29:05,640 and are outfitted with high resolution video cameras. Some 2482 02:29:05,640 --> 02:29:09,870 planes are also equipped with cell phone tracking devices. 2483 02:29:10,170 --> 02:29:14,550 Yeah, that would be the via the was it the Viper? The stinger 2484 02:29:15,270 --> 02:29:19,500 Scorpion here, the stinger. Stinger the scorpion. Yeah, that 2485 02:29:19,500 --> 02:29:22,080 was dumb. Yeah. Stingray thing. Right. 2486 02:29:22,080 --> 02:29:22,920 Thank you. That's it. 2487 02:29:22,980 --> 02:29:26,220 I would like to ask you a question. What is a major US 2488 02:29:26,220 --> 02:29:31,560 citizen? What does that mean? They're flying over major US 2489 02:29:31,560 --> 02:29:32,250 citizens. 2490 02:29:32,280 --> 02:29:33,480 I didn't hear that. 2491 02:29:34,860 --> 02:29:37,860 Citizens. Really? That's what they say to US citizen. 2492 02:29:37,890 --> 02:29:39,150 Oh, let me hear that again. That's fun. 2493 02:29:39,660 --> 02:29:42,690 A new investigation by BuzzFeed has revealed the FBI and the 2494 02:29:42,690 --> 02:29:46,050 Department of Homeland Security are flying dozens of federal 2495 02:29:46,050 --> 02:29:49,800 aircrafts over major US citizens every day, you know? 2496 02:29:51,180 --> 02:29:53,550 Wow. Oh my god. 2497 02:29:55,110 --> 02:29:58,980 It's probably more truthful than we know. Now. You major US I 2498 02:29:58,980 --> 02:30:01,710 think I'm flying over you For real I think I'm a major US 2499 02:30:01,710 --> 02:30:06,840 citizen. Dang Well, there was more security theatre going on 2500 02:30:06,870 --> 02:30:10,170 but very very disappointing. And of course this also got no 2501 02:30:10,170 --> 02:30:13,770 coverage C span has been reasonable of late. Some good so 2502 02:30:13,770 --> 02:30:19,230 I know you watch three usually for the book TV. This was okay 2503 02:30:19,230 --> 02:30:19,680 now actually 2504 02:30:19,680 --> 02:30:24,930 booked TVs exam two. Ah. Okay on the weekends, 2505 02:30:25,590 --> 02:30:30,150 I thought it was on three. Okay, it'd be wrong. So you recall, 2506 02:30:30,150 --> 02:30:32,640 there was a they didn't make a lot of news, but there was a 2507 02:30:32,730 --> 02:30:36,180 breach in the insecurity. They let Atlanta airport and it was a 2508 02:30:36,180 --> 02:30:41,070 gun running operation. And so a guy would come in, you know, 2509 02:30:41,070 --> 02:30:45,210 through the tarmac because he worked a airside on the on the 2510 02:30:45,210 --> 02:30:47,940 sterile side as they call it. And he would bring it in duffel 2511 02:30:47,940 --> 02:30:51,900 bag of guns about 100 guns, and then he'd leave them in the 2512 02:30:51,900 --> 02:30:55,200 restroom in the sterile area. And then the passenger who had 2513 02:30:55,200 --> 02:31:00,240 already been through TSA checkpoint, had then picked it 2514 02:31:00,240 --> 02:31:04,110 up and took it on the plane. And, of course, Atlanta took 2515 02:31:04,110 --> 02:31:07,980 measures. But these measures were supposed to have been taken 2516 02:31:07,980 --> 02:31:11,430 care of a long time. In fact, there was a hearing on the hill, 2517 02:31:11,430 --> 02:31:16,980 Senator Bill Nelson, Democrat from Florida, had a lot of the 2518 02:31:16,980 --> 02:31:21,390 right questions and it's rather long, but just to hear a civil 2519 02:31:21,390 --> 02:31:24,690 servant, the guy who's answering on behalf of the TSA, he is the 2520 02:31:24,690 --> 02:31:29,430 administrator Peter Neff injure, lying, just lying. I'm just 2521 02:31:29,430 --> 02:31:35,820 coming up with bullshit lies. It's it's really astounding how 2522 02:31:37,590 --> 02:31:41,550 just how inadequate This is. And people should be outraged 2523 02:31:41,550 --> 02:31:44,400 because we are not being protected whatsoever. 2524 02:31:44,430 --> 02:31:49,440 Things that were not done in Atlanta, that allowed over 100 2525 02:31:49,440 --> 02:31:54,390 guns to be transported into the airport, then the employee goes 2526 02:31:54,390 --> 02:31:59,670 up into the sterile area into the men's restroom and transfers 2527 02:31:59,670 --> 02:32:03,900 the weapons to a passenger who has come through security. 2528 02:32:04,440 --> 02:32:10,980 Atlanta has now complied. So that's Atlanta, Miami, Orlando. 2529 02:32:11,370 --> 02:32:15,930 What about the rest of the 297? airports? nationwide? 2530 02:32:16,170 --> 02:32:18,240 Senator, I had exactly the same question. 2531 02:32:21,510 --> 02:32:24,060 That's how you started off, you know, Hey, man, I can't wait to 2532 02:32:24,060 --> 02:32:27,120 do it. That's exactly the question. I had Senator about 2533 02:32:27,120 --> 02:32:31,080 the rest of the 297 airports nationwide. 2534 02:32:31,350 --> 02:32:35,910 Senator, I had exactly the same question. And I am I it was a 2535 02:32:35,910 --> 02:32:38,580 wake up call for Atlanta. And as your as you've noted that they 2536 02:32:38,580 --> 02:32:40,020 put a lot of measures in place, 2537 02:32:40,560 --> 02:32:43,410 both the private sector What about the other 297? 2538 02:32:43,440 --> 02:32:47,310 So I earlier this year, I ordered a detailed vulnerability 2539 02:32:47,310 --> 02:32:50,070 assessment across the entire system for those other airports 2540 02:32:50,070 --> 02:32:53,340 that you mentioned that that assessment, the results of that 2541 02:32:53,340 --> 02:32:56,550 assessment are coming in this month. And that the purpose of 2542 02:32:56,550 --> 02:32:59,400 that assessment was to ask that was to answer that very specific 2543 02:32:59,400 --> 02:33:02,820 question. First and foremost, what What have you done? But 2544 02:33:02,820 --> 02:33:05,490 what's the nature of your insider population? Who are the 2545 02:33:05,490 --> 02:33:07,230 employers question? What are they doing? 2546 02:33:07,230 --> 02:33:08,220 What have you done? The 2547 02:33:08,220 --> 02:33:11,370 answer is that there has been a lot of movement in terms of 2548 02:33:11,370 --> 02:33:14,580 reducing security access points across the system. There's been 2549 02:33:14,580 --> 02:33:16,560 a lot of movement, movement, great 2550 02:33:16,560 --> 02:33:18,480 and a lot of movement, John, hey, 2551 02:33:18,570 --> 02:33:21,540 we're working here. There's a lot of movement, we've got 2552 02:33:21,540 --> 02:33:23,160 movement going on. It's movement. 2553 02:33:23,190 --> 02:33:25,590 It's just a classic. This is what happens when you work in 2554 02:33:25,590 --> 02:33:28,500 the government for a while. He's just picked up a lot of 2555 02:33:28,650 --> 02:33:31,950 buzzwords and phrases. And he's just throwing and one after the 2556 02:33:31,950 --> 02:33:35,610 other, no connection to one, two, no logic, nothing just 2557 02:33:35,610 --> 02:33:37,050 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And the 2558 02:33:37,050 --> 02:33:40,470 worst part is, this is our security that we're paying for 2559 02:33:40,500 --> 02:33:44,130 and he hasn't done it, the work is not done at all. Well just 2560 02:33:44,130 --> 02:33:44,430 listen. 2561 02:33:44,850 --> 02:33:47,850 across the system. There's been a lot of movement, a lot of mu 2562 02:33:47,880 --> 02:33:51,360 greatly enhanced the oversight of that. Yeah, insider 2563 02:33:51,360 --> 02:33:52,710 population, both but yes, 2564 02:33:52,710 --> 02:33:55,200 there's a lot of movement to enhance the oversight of that 2565 02:33:55,200 --> 02:33:58,800 insider population. You know, that's gonna if I ever get 2566 02:33:58,800 --> 02:34:00,540 married again, that's my wedding vows, 2567 02:34:00,750 --> 02:34:05,730 right oversight of that insider population both by TSA as well 2568 02:34:05,730 --> 02:34:09,330 as by the employers a lot of movement, what I can't touch as 2569 02:34:09,360 --> 02:34:12,000 well. And what I'm going to have to provide to you and report is 2570 02:34:12,000 --> 02:34:15,120 once I get once we evaluate all of these are in that's going to 2571 02:34:15,120 --> 02:34:18,600 drive us to add requirements into the aviation security, the 2572 02:34:18,600 --> 02:34:20,250 airport security, it's going to drive us 2573 02:34:20,250 --> 02:34:24,660 to add what is fabulous this guy like 2574 02:34:24,690 --> 02:34:27,060 all of these that are in then that's going to drive us 2575 02:34:27,060 --> 02:34:31,890 toward double talker. Yeah, add to be a comic act is important. 2576 02:34:32,250 --> 02:34:34,350 Double talk, oh, this is about more money, 2577 02:34:34,350 --> 02:34:37,230 obviously into the aviation security, the airport security 2578 02:34:37,260 --> 02:34:41,070 plans for each of those airports to take the best practices that 2579 02:34:41,070 --> 02:34:45,690 we're finding from Miami from Orlando from Atlanta, Atlanta, 2580 02:34:45,690 --> 02:34:48,870 Atlanta, Atlanta, Atlanta drive those he doesn't know the three 2581 02:34:48,870 --> 02:34:51,450 airports that have done anything he can't even remember to the 2582 02:34:51,450 --> 02:34:54,120 other airports across the country. I was concerned that we 2583 02:34:54,120 --> 02:34:57,060 hadn't had a lot of specifics on that. So 2584 02:34:57,060 --> 02:35:00,840 administrative. The best practices are obvious You have 2585 02:35:00,840 --> 02:35:05,790 to check the airport employees. So is your testimony today that 2586 02:35:05,790 --> 02:35:06,870 nothing has been done? 2587 02:35:06,930 --> 02:35:09,420 No, sir. That's not my testimony we have done we've done quite a 2588 02:35:09,420 --> 02:35:12,810 bit we are checking. So TSA itself has increased the number 2589 02:35:12,840 --> 02:35:16,770 of inspections of employees by five fold. Just in the past five 2590 02:35:16,770 --> 02:35:17,520 months five 2591 02:35:17,520 --> 02:35:23,370 fold, it was five times worse. What is going on? A 2592 02:35:24,660 --> 02:35:28,260 guy's just blathering. There's not contributing anything to the 2593 02:35:28,260 --> 02:35:31,980 conversation. And I'm sure the senators are like, flabbergasted 2594 02:35:31,980 --> 02:35:32,640 listening to him. 2595 02:35:32,670 --> 02:35:34,800 And we do that ourselves when you don't 2596 02:35:34,800 --> 02:35:37,560 have enough resources there news, and then the, 2597 02:35:38,580 --> 02:35:43,050 to get the airports to do it. And they are doing that. Give us 2598 02:35:43,050 --> 02:35:46,290 the report. And that's coming your way, sir. Because we're 2599 02:35:46,290 --> 02:35:49,830 evaluating I wanted to give you good specifics from these from 2600 02:35:49,830 --> 02:35:52,200 the vulnerability assessments that we conducted so that I 2601 02:35:52,200 --> 02:35:55,260 could give you specific answers to airport by airport to exactly 2602 02:35:55,260 --> 02:35:57,600 the question you're asked, but I just didn't have those are all 2603 02:35:57,600 --> 02:36:02,070 due this week, this weekend, the deadline for getting compiled 2604 02:36:02,070 --> 02:36:03,330 that report and we'll get it to the 2605 02:36:03,630 --> 02:36:08,670 right. Prompt on in time to the report to this committee. Since 2606 02:36:08,670 --> 02:36:12,930 that was such an obvious question that you were going to 2607 02:36:12,930 --> 02:36:13,620 be asked 2608 02:36:13,650 --> 02:36:16,050 Hello. He didn't have his homework done? 2609 02:36:16,290 --> 02:36:19,530 Well, I think the answer I would have to that is that I didn't 2610 02:36:19,530 --> 02:36:23,850 have an answer I would have to that is I felt adequate. 2611 02:36:24,630 --> 02:36:25,680 specifics. 2612 02:36:27,600 --> 02:36:30,480 It looks like an administrator. This is exactly what you'd 2613 02:36:30,480 --> 02:36:30,900 expect 2614 02:36:30,930 --> 02:36:34,950 specifics, to satisfy this committee on the specific 2615 02:36:34,950 --> 02:36:38,040 measures taken. That's why we went back and I ordered a very 2616 02:36:38,040 --> 02:36:40,920 specific vulnerability assessment airport by airport. 2617 02:36:41,550 --> 02:36:44,160 It was done on a very short timeframe was done in 2618 02:36:44,160 --> 02:36:46,290 conjunction with the recommendations from the 2619 02:36:46,290 --> 02:36:49,080 Aviation Security Advisory Committee. It was done in a way 2620 02:36:49,080 --> 02:36:51,810 to ensure that I could give very specific answers and more 2621 02:36:51,810 --> 02:36:57,750 importantly specifically in place that said that said 2622 02:36:57,750 --> 02:37:00,870 greatly enhanced the oversight and airports have greatly 2623 02:37:00,870 --> 02:37:03,150 enhance their oversight already. So it's not as if nothing has 2624 02:37:03,150 --> 02:37:06,090 been done. I just, I want to know exactly what it has been so 2625 02:37:06,090 --> 02:37:09,510 that we can we can insure across the entire system. 2626 02:37:09,540 --> 02:37:13,890 Yeah. Meanwhile, there's an amendment that went into what is 2627 02:37:13,890 --> 02:37:20,340 that into House Resolution? 636. More Viper teams visible 2628 02:37:20,340 --> 02:37:22,290 deterrence is going to be on both 2629 02:37:22,290 --> 02:37:25,890 sides. That's gonna stop the guy doing the smuggling of guns. 2630 02:37:25,890 --> 02:37:26,070 Yeah, 2631 02:37:26,099 --> 02:37:29,519 they say visible deterrent, a viper team. So they're going to 2632 02:37:29,939 --> 02:37:33,569 double the amount of Viper teams. Thanks, Obama. That will 2633 02:37:33,569 --> 02:37:37,799 be a trains and buses and sports events and oh, yeah, airports. 2634 02:37:38,279 --> 02:37:39,869 Sure. airports. 2635 02:37:40,289 --> 02:37:45,449 Yeah. All right. Okay, so I've got a How are we doing for time? 2636 02:37:46,139 --> 02:37:50,549 We should wrap it up. Okay, let me just play. I was I can save 2637 02:37:50,549 --> 02:37:53,249 the hug of Britt for Thursday. Sure. I 2638 02:37:53,250 --> 02:37:54,630 don't know if I can wait that long. 2639 02:37:55,890 --> 02:37:59,580 Well, how good bread is something going on in advance of 2640 02:37:59,580 --> 02:38:08,580 the of the Brexit vote. And so the a bunch of EU they will put 2641 02:38:08,580 --> 02:38:12,600 his EU citizens living in Great Britain. Great Britain is in the 2642 02:38:12,600 --> 02:38:16,260 EU too. So it doesn't make a lot of sense. But okay. And they've 2643 02:38:16,260 --> 02:38:19,110 decided but it turns I haven't listened to this woman that they 2644 02:38:19,110 --> 02:38:23,550 had this on. I think Deutsche Avella, or trans 20 for one of 2645 02:38:23,550 --> 02:38:27,660 the two but this woman just seems like a German spy, trying 2646 02:38:27,660 --> 02:38:32,040 to create this, this hugging thing but the thing is funny 2647 02:38:32,040 --> 02:38:35,460 because it turns out she never hugs anybody. But listen to this 2648 02:38:35,460 --> 02:38:37,830 play hug in Britain, you get the gist that 2649 02:38:38,010 --> 02:38:44,130 hugging a Brit. But there's a lot of that going on tonight. 2650 02:38:44,280 --> 02:38:48,330 Joining us now from London is the founder of the campaign, the 2651 02:38:48,330 --> 02:38:52,140 journalist and historian Tessa shifts. COVID says, I hope I did 2652 02:38:52,140 --> 02:38:55,530 not butcher your last name there. If I did, please, I 2653 02:38:55,530 --> 02:39:00,090 apologise. Let me ask you that what inspired you to set up this 2654 02:39:00,090 --> 02:39:00,720 campaign? 2655 02:39:02,880 --> 02:39:07,920 Well, I'm actually not the founder. I'm a member of EU 2656 02:39:07,920 --> 02:39:11,070 citizens here in London and we decided we want to send a love 2657 02:39:11,070 --> 02:39:16,350 bomb to the British people want them to leave the European a lot 2658 02:39:16,350 --> 02:39:20,220 of numbers and facts and figures being discussed now in the Pro 2659 02:39:20,220 --> 02:39:24,960 and the Leave campaign, in the remain in the Brexit campaign. 2660 02:39:24,960 --> 02:39:28,950 And we think it's important to emphasise that the European 2661 02:39:28,950 --> 02:39:34,740 Union is not only about economy, it's also about making Europe a 2662 02:39:34,740 --> 02:39:38,370 better place to cooperate about all the things that we have to 2663 02:39:38,760 --> 02:39:42,990 talk about. So it's what we feel here in Britain at the moment is 2664 02:39:42,990 --> 02:39:48,330 a bit of a lack of emotion. So we try to add this by our 2665 02:39:48,360 --> 02:39:53,400 campaign and we offer to hack the press wants to stay in place 2666 02:39:53,400 --> 02:39:53,550 don't 2667 02:39:53,550 --> 02:39:56,490 go. I keep hearing hack the Brits. I'm not sure if the 2668 02:39:56,490 --> 02:39:57,120 campaign is 2669 02:39:57,480 --> 02:40:03,390 hearing flow. Frau bluger A hawk the Brits, and 2670 02:40:04,470 --> 02:40:06,600 she should be wearing a black outfit with 2671 02:40:07,349 --> 02:40:09,269 the Brits, and hack the Brits. 2672 02:40:10,500 --> 02:40:11,430 Today yourself 2673 02:40:12,900 --> 02:40:16,380 what each of us is actually having maybe one or two 2674 02:40:16,410 --> 02:40:17,550 doesn't help anybody. 2675 02:40:18,900 --> 02:40:23,520 Pack them. It's supposed to be a mass movement on social media 2676 02:40:23,520 --> 02:40:28,950 and it works. Now, each other we're gonna know, 2677 02:40:29,610 --> 02:40:34,650 Hocking, we have you change your avatar to hacking a Brit. Oh, 2678 02:40:36,030 --> 02:40:39,270 you know, the Dutch newspapers are now filled with stories 2679 02:40:39,270 --> 02:40:43,680 about how the Russian propaganda turn the ascent of the 2680 02:40:43,710 --> 02:40:48,210 association agreement with Ukraine into the no because the 2681 02:40:48,210 --> 02:40:51,360 Russians had better propaganda we need to do more propaganda 2682 02:40:51,360 --> 02:40:56,040 the government needs to step it up. Do you believe that? Yeah, I 2683 02:40:56,040 --> 02:40:59,700 believe it is. Um, no, it's just crazy. And the Dutch people like 2684 02:40:59,700 --> 02:41:02,850 yeah, man frickin Russians rooskies What you do man damn 2685 02:41:02,850 --> 02:41:05,790 Russia's are screwing it up for us. Don't do that man. Getting 2686 02:41:05,790 --> 02:41:08,250 involved in our internal politics. 2687 02:41:08,280 --> 02:41:15,120 That's right. That's right. All right, but it's been well it's I 2688 02:41:15,120 --> 02:41:18,150 think we covered most of the bases I'm not sure what the next 2689 02:41:18,150 --> 02:41:21,870 week will have in store although always some up 2690 02:41:24,930 --> 02:41:32,280 is always something anything. Bottle Yeah, today at 430 in San 2691 02:41:32,280 --> 02:41:35,910 Antonio there's the Spurs and the Warriors game which will be 2692 02:41:36,450 --> 02:41:40,830 the worst have to win this this set to break the old record for 2693 02:41:40,830 --> 02:41:43,410 a number of wins in a single season. So the only second team 2694 02:41:43,410 --> 02:41:49,230 in history to do 70 wins. And they're trying to get 73 but no 2695 02:41:49,230 --> 02:41:53,400 one has beaten the San Antonio Spurs in San Antonio all year 2696 02:41:53,430 --> 02:41:56,970 outstanding. So it'll be good game and the words are tired 2697 02:41:56,970 --> 02:42:02,130 since they played last night. But it'll be interesting in some 2698 02:42:02,130 --> 02:42:04,620 ways. Basketball fans book of 2699 02:42:04,620 --> 02:42:07,110 knowledge. Who is the fairest in the land? 2700 02:42:09,660 --> 02:42:14,100 field is not beauty, Majesty. But hold a lovely maid I see. 2701 02:42:14,400 --> 02:42:18,930 Rags cannot hide her gentle Grace alas she is more fair than 2702 02:42:18,930 --> 02:42:19,200 me. 2703 02:42:19,860 --> 02:42:25,110 Oh boy I lose out but that was it Morning everybody I'm Adam 2704 02:42:25,110 --> 02:42:25,500 curry 2705 02:42:28,710 --> 02:42:33,870 just say goodbye she just said goodbye goodbye 2706 02:42:36,120 --> 02:42:41,790 goodbye Oh need to know agenda they give us shirts we get her 2707 02:42:41,790 --> 02:42:49,620 we donate to and no agenda is a show that's readily up donate to 2708 02:42:49,650 --> 02:42:56,970 no agenda this John Adams be that own a to a no agenda 2709 02:42:57,000 --> 02:43:10,980 science is turning into clique a she's a she's a she's a 2710 02:43:10,980 --> 02:43:31,440 recidivism everything that she has to do for a long dairy 2711 02:43:31,440 --> 02:43:42,810 farmers market strategies come from ready she's 2712 02:43:45,630 --> 02:43:48,240 ready she is everything it's not fair 2713 02:43:48,240 --> 02:43:55,350 that she's the mistake they made by a number of countries 2714 02:43:59,580 --> 02:44:06,210 inspection for a long No, no, no, no, no, no. Good good. 2715 02:44:07,530 --> 02:44:11,400 Calling a male hairdresser. Faggot is not homophobic 2716 02:44:11,430 --> 02:44:14,070 and wash your hands after touching any raw meat Thanks 2717 02:44:14,070 --> 02:45:05,940 Obama. The hospital As an ambulance? 2718 02:46:49,980 --> 02:46:52,680 On Fox, it is on it is 2719 02:46:52,740 --> 02:46:56,430 a new goal is clear, but causes decent people to live in fear a 2720 02:46:56,430 --> 02:47:00,180 new power that allows us to get your browsing history from the 2721 02:47:00,180 --> 02:47:03,990 internet. But let's not forget this will affect everybody and 2722 02:47:04,020 --> 02:47:07,650 it will protect nobody. That's fine. You can inspect anybody 2723 02:47:07,650 --> 02:47:11,850 who disagrees with me. That's why I want to spy on everyone 2724 02:47:11,940 --> 02:47:16,620 all the time. Some people say that's fine. But every time you 2725 02:47:16,620 --> 02:47:21,840 go online, every email you sign file feed watching you and my 2726 02:47:21,870 --> 02:47:26,160 message to the caterers, I want your communications data. As our 2727 02:47:26,160 --> 02:47:30,720 power will extend politicians and their friends can manipulate 2728 02:47:30,720 --> 02:47:35,160 it for their own ends, every text you send every Facebook 2729 02:47:35,190 --> 02:47:37,530 friends, I'll be watching you. 2730 02:47:41,520 --> 02:47:47,760 See, your mobile phones will all belong to me. Every one of you 2731 02:47:47,760 --> 02:47:53,220 call anyone at all every day in every way to resume and I will 2732 02:47:53,220 --> 02:48:02,310 be watching you. We will look after that. Wherever you turn, 2733 02:48:02,370 --> 02:48:06,900 we will be right behind. We will not let you live in private. We 2734 02:48:06,900 --> 02:48:10,290 will use everything at our disposal to find out about you 2735 02:48:10,590 --> 02:48:13,590 and your family. And we will never forget what we found. 2736 02:48:14,430 --> 02:48:18,330 This is my position. I don't need reasonable suspicion. But 2737 02:48:18,330 --> 02:48:21,450 if you find online petitions expect to the Spanish 2738 02:48:21,480 --> 02:48:22,890 Inquisition. Think of your 2739 02:48:22,890 --> 02:48:27,240 own smartphone. It's no longer than no Gozer. It's under attack 2740 02:48:27,240 --> 02:48:30,960 because we will have all the technology you own. What can I 2741 02:48:30,960 --> 02:48:33,870 see with these new capabilities? For me the answer 2742 02:48:33,870 --> 02:48:36,960 straightforward. It's your supermarket rewards and your 2743 02:48:36,990 --> 02:48:40,530 national health service records. It's all the information you 2744 02:48:40,560 --> 02:48:45,870 give to any corporation. Every conversation in every situation, 2745 02:48:46,020 --> 02:48:50,010 every communication, every website you use everything you 2746 02:48:50,010 --> 02:48:54,480 do every day in every way Theresa May and I will be 2747 02:48:54,480 --> 02:48:59,550 watching you thank you 2748 02:48:59,550 --> 02:49:05,490 always a pleasure Hey, man, first of all, 2749 02:49:05,640 --> 02:49:07,140 adios MoPhO 2750 02:49:10,920 --> 02:49:14,310 boomerang.org/n A