1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,810 I have to admit, I listen to each show repeatedly, probably 2 00:00:03,810 --> 00:00:08,010 for full time start to finish. Wow. 3 00:00:08,460 --> 00:00:10,590 Adam curry, John C. Dvorak. 4 00:00:11,310 --> 00:00:14,670 On May 29 2014. It's time for your gizmo nation media 5 00:00:14,670 --> 00:00:16,740 assassination Episode Six to 6 00:00:16,740 --> 00:00:19,110 one this is no agenda 7 00:00:19,950 --> 00:00:22,830 waiting for the engine light to come off and FEMA Region six 8 00:00:22,830 --> 00:00:25,590 here the traverse high tide out in the capital the drone star 9 00:00:25,590 --> 00:00:28,530 Steve Austin Tejas in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam 10 00:00:28,530 --> 00:00:29,010 curry. 11 00:00:29,250 --> 00:00:31,500 And from Northern Silicon Valley, I'm waiting for the 12 00:00:31,500 --> 00:00:35,040 engine light to come on as I'm gunning it. I'm John C. Dvorak. 13 00:00:36,900 --> 00:00:37,980 Kill them. 14 00:00:39,540 --> 00:00:42,300 This is a real problem with American automobiles, I found 15 00:00:42,300 --> 00:00:42,630 out 16 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,990 what well, I need the engine light comes on. It just does it. 17 00:00:45,990 --> 00:00:49,290 Do you know, just in case no, no, it's better to be safe than 18 00:00:49,290 --> 00:00:51,720 sorry. I mentioned oil light comes on. You gotta be careful. 19 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,540 Did I mention on the last show that that my truck got broken 20 00:00:54,540 --> 00:00:58,920 into all we were away? Huh? Yeah. And they tried to rip out 21 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,500 the you know, the radio and they must have been interrupted 22 00:01:01,500 --> 00:01:06,060 somehow. But cheap radio. It wasn't a stock radio. But 23 00:01:06,060 --> 00:01:09,360 believe me, it was nothing. Maybe 20 bucks you can get for 24 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:14,460 it. If you're lucky. But I took it to my guys around the corner 25 00:01:14,460 --> 00:01:16,680 and they said oh, you know, you also have to have been inspected 26 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:21,300 to ya know, my spec word for what state inspection? For what 27 00:01:21,420 --> 00:01:24,390 if what you need a state inspection sticker. And what is 28 00:01:24,390 --> 00:01:26,640 what do they do? It said, you know, emissions and a couple of 29 00:01:26,670 --> 00:01:28,170 like California is very similar. 30 00:01:28,950 --> 00:01:30,960 California thing is a total scam. 31 00:01:30,990 --> 00:01:35,280 Well, so here's the problem. So they do all the work and there 32 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,070 was there was like some, I don't know, something wasn't met the 33 00:01:38,070 --> 00:01:41,580 engine light was on. And of course, that's an automatic fail 34 00:01:41,580 --> 00:01:47,970 and so they had to fix whatever pumper tube was leaking. And and 35 00:01:47,970 --> 00:01:49,830 then, you know, he's like, okay, you can pick it up. But here's 36 00:01:49,830 --> 00:01:53,820 the problem with this model, of course, is the 2002 Ford RAM. 37 00:01:55,020 --> 00:01:59,040 Have a fine recently no such thing as a Ford RAM Dodge Ram. 38 00:01:59,070 --> 00:02:03,090 What do I think if I see this, how much I care about cars, the 39 00:02:03,090 --> 00:02:09,570 Dodge Ram. This particular model, you have to drive at 40 00:02:09,570 --> 00:02:13,560 least some between 40 and 100 miles before the computer 41 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:18,660 resets. And they can get a full reading. Okay, and he's like, 42 00:02:18,660 --> 00:02:22,170 well, so there's two ways we can do it. One, we can fail you and 43 00:02:22,170 --> 00:02:26,100 then you have 15 days to come back. And you know, you'll have 44 00:02:26,100 --> 00:02:28,500 a piece of paper you can show the cops if you get pulled over. 45 00:02:28,500 --> 00:02:31,830 I said yeah. 100 miles from me in 15 days. Are you kidding me? 46 00:02:32,370 --> 00:02:36,450 Literally do ride around the block for a whole day. I don't 47 00:02:36,450 --> 00:02:40,770 drive anywhere. I said well, then you can just come back when 48 00:02:40,770 --> 00:02:47,880 you think you get your 100 miles. Anyway, it's one of 49 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:55,770 those. One of those. Yeah. Oh, oh, well. Ah, well, I had a lot 50 00:02:55,770 --> 00:02:58,260 of stuff. Oh, breaking news. John, this was the this was the 51 00:02:58,260 --> 00:03:01,290 big thing I couldn't believe like, holy moly, everybody. 52 00:03:02,670 --> 00:03:05,130 Yeah, Brad Pitt attacked by fan. 53 00:03:05,670 --> 00:03:10,950 Oh, no. Why would anybody attack Brad Pitt to promote 54 00:03:10,950 --> 00:03:14,340 Angelenos movie? Okay, it's happened on the red carpet. 55 00:03:15,030 --> 00:03:17,430 It happened on the Oh real with all the security they have 56 00:03:17,430 --> 00:03:19,500 around those events. This is that guy 57 00:03:19,500 --> 00:03:23,760 who is apparently a Ukrainian television guy. And of course 58 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:29,040 I've never seen his television show. And he's a goofball. Yeah, 59 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,160 he's the one that has hopped all show. Well, I've never seen the 60 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:36,180 show. I don't know if it's true or not. He's very reminiscent of 61 00:03:36,180 --> 00:03:40,920 Borat. And he was in in for a Ukrainian show. He's got a lot 62 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:45,750 of budget because he was in con. Looking underneath someone's 63 00:03:45,750 --> 00:03:51,870 dress on the red carpet. And the guy's hilarious. But I think 64 00:03:52,740 --> 00:03:55,530 yeah, I think it's just a guy you can hire if you want some 65 00:03:55,530 --> 00:03:59,040 promotion for your movie. Amen. Do some weird crap for me. Well, 66 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,430 yeah. And then of course the other news that is just 67 00:04:02,430 --> 00:04:04,650 everywhere more important than anything else that you will hear 68 00:04:04,650 --> 00:04:07,830 on this programme Kate Middleton's but photographed and 69 00:04:07,830 --> 00:04:10,980 outrage World War Three about to break out between Germany and 70 00:04:10,980 --> 00:04:11,700 the UK. 71 00:04:12,570 --> 00:04:15,240 What was it a German that photographed your built 72 00:04:15,270 --> 00:04:18,600 built magazine? That she was walking to the helicopter? 73 00:04:18,930 --> 00:04:22,920 And dress? Yeah. Do you have anything? I wish you work in 74 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:23,520 bear but it 75 00:04:23,550 --> 00:04:25,950 Yeah, well, substring or whatever. You can't really see 76 00:04:25,950 --> 00:04:31,560 that. It's listen. Believe me. Kate Middleton should be very 77 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,860 happy with this picture. Any woman would be happy with this 78 00:04:34,860 --> 00:04:35,400 picture. 79 00:04:35,610 --> 00:04:39,480 So she has a good looking bike. Ah, hell yeah. I'm glad to 80 00:04:39,510 --> 00:04:40,320 Google this 81 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,230 one. And this is not the first time you know, she's exposed her 82 00:04:43,230 --> 00:04:45,450 butt here. And now it's in the show notes. John obby. Well, 83 00:04:45,450 --> 00:04:45,690 that's 84 00:04:45,690 --> 00:04:50,640 the new the new British thing. Showing your bike? I think so. 85 00:04:51,300 --> 00:04:58,890 It makes sense to me. They did it with the you Kip. Oh, I don't 86 00:04:58,890 --> 00:04:59,970 know how that's even valuable. 87 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,660 Can I just said no that didn't work out that didn't after bear 88 00:05:03,690 --> 00:05:05,610 but oh no Kate Middleton you 89 00:05:05,610 --> 00:05:08,910 have to go to build dot d because No, no they're all 90 00:05:08,910 --> 00:05:12,570 everyone's showing it censored like my god like we've never 91 00:05:12,570 --> 00:05:17,100 seen it but there's so this is so insane. What's bizarre 92 00:05:17,100 --> 00:05:20,010 what's not I don't have Bill to give me a better URL when you 93 00:05:20,010 --> 00:05:27,780 put built that D you get do buy luxury bi LG sale. I'd put bi 94 00:05:27,780 --> 00:05:31,350 Lt. This is interesting. Go to bi Lt. 95 00:05:32,250 --> 00:05:33,720 We found something interesting. 96 00:05:33,990 --> 00:05:37,920 You go rent in Irvine, I guess of places in Dubai. 97 00:05:38,610 --> 00:05:45,270 Dubai luxury.com. Hey, I've been to Dubai. I have no intent ever 98 00:05:45,270 --> 00:05:46,770 to go back. He's 99 00:05:47,219 --> 00:05:50,099 just a little warm. Maybe? No, it was boring. 100 00:05:50,370 --> 00:05:52,770 It is boring. Yeah, it's just completely boring. 101 00:05:53,670 --> 00:05:57,450 Yeah, there's not much to do there. Here we go. Fix so 102 00:05:57,450 --> 00:06:01,440 happy. Well, while you're doing that, I've been meaning to do 103 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,810 this for a couple of weeks. Now, I want to thank two of our 104 00:06:03,810 --> 00:06:09,720 producers, who are continuous consistent contributors to the 105 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,050 no agenda, news network. And of course, their feeds flow into 106 00:06:13,050 --> 00:06:17,460 the whole system to the freedom controller, et cetera. W, I'm 107 00:06:17,460 --> 00:06:19,950 just going to give their aliases because I don't even think they 108 00:06:19,950 --> 00:06:23,550 want anyone to know who they are WT and Bert be I think they're 109 00:06:23,550 --> 00:06:29,130 both Dutch producers. And they just consistently have so many 110 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:33,450 great stories. And they're so good. And they are a big part of 111 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,400 of how the show works. And I needed to thank them for their 112 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:42,120 courage and their continuous support of the flow of 113 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,840 information. And they're doing it through RSS feeds, which is 114 00:06:45,840 --> 00:06:48,750 great. It's also appreciated so much on email. 115 00:06:51,330 --> 00:06:53,610 Okay, what was the good story they gave me this time? 116 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,700 Oh, there's just tonnes of them. And it's continued. Here's how 117 00:06:56,700 --> 00:07:00,270 it worked. They listen to the show. And I don't know what they 118 00:07:00,270 --> 00:07:02,970 do. I have no idea. I mean, I've only had one or two email 119 00:07:02,970 --> 00:07:05,940 contacts with them, you know, when something didn't work, 120 00:07:05,940 --> 00:07:09,660 because they're kind of on our systems. And they'll say, Hey, 121 00:07:09,660 --> 00:07:13,830 man, thumbs down or whatever. And they just, they'll they'll 122 00:07:13,830 --> 00:07:16,200 tune in, and they'll find anything that relates to the 123 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,860 topics that we're working on. Oh, cool. Yeah. I just 124 00:07:20,219 --> 00:07:23,459 anyway, yeah, I should keep up with that myself. 125 00:07:23,969 --> 00:07:26,639 Well, this freedom controller thing that Dave Jones is, you 126 00:07:26,639 --> 00:07:29,729 know, single handedly programmed, you might want to 127 00:07:29,729 --> 00:07:32,759 consider using it at a certain point. Yeah, I probably will. 128 00:07:32,879 --> 00:07:36,689 And the great thing is, is if you have clips, so all you'd 129 00:07:36,689 --> 00:07:41,009 have to do is open up a web page. And then you just select 130 00:07:41,009 --> 00:07:45,029 your clips and drag it into the page and you'd be done. How 131 00:07:45,029 --> 00:07:49,019 would I be done? Because it uploads the clips to the system 132 00:07:49,019 --> 00:07:52,139 and it puts it in the feed and I would just be able to access it 133 00:07:52,139 --> 00:07:54,899 right away. You wouldn't have to deal with anything. That's it. 134 00:07:54,959 --> 00:07:55,769 That's all you'd have to 135 00:07:55,770 --> 00:07:57,510 do. Okay, well, I'm in 136 00:07:59,070 --> 00:08:00,360 for that reason only. 137 00:08:01,470 --> 00:08:02,640 Yeah, no, that'd be great. 138 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,640 Okay, I'll see about your setup. But I'll set you up again. 139 00:08:06,450 --> 00:08:12,180 Oh, no. These things happen. So there was the big, the big 140 00:08:12,210 --> 00:08:18,120 phoney baloney event. Brian Williams. Yeah. Flew to Russia 141 00:08:18,150 --> 00:08:22,530 with Grant with Glenn Greenwald. And 142 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,490 now we have some overlap and clips. But I feel that you are 143 00:08:26,490 --> 00:08:28,050 going to take this one, 144 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:36,990 I have decided that this was a very staged, extremely scripted, 145 00:08:37,350 --> 00:08:42,750 I agree, somewhat of a scam to promote Greenwald's book. And I 146 00:08:42,750 --> 00:08:46,260 think I can't prove this. I'm just thinking it's because of 147 00:08:46,260 --> 00:08:49,530 all the gratuitous plugs and Greenwald sitting in on one of 148 00:08:49,530 --> 00:08:53,370 the discussions. I have to assume that Greenwald had 149 00:08:53,370 --> 00:08:56,700 something to do or his publisher had something to do with setting 150 00:08:56,700 --> 00:08:59,910 this up. This was a promotion for the book. It wasn't a 151 00:08:59,910 --> 00:09:03,690 promotion for anything. It wasn't you know, I mean, NBC 152 00:09:03,690 --> 00:09:07,020 gets a little credit NBC was in on the whatever the gag was, 153 00:09:07,020 --> 00:09:10,740 there was a number of scripted comments. They could probably 154 00:09:10,740 --> 00:09:13,530 produce it better even though they edited the crap out of it. 155 00:09:13,680 --> 00:09:18,810 Yeah, that's always annoying and, and unlike anything that 156 00:09:18,810 --> 00:09:22,320 you would find in just there's no raw video ever of these 157 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,540 things. People are I've even gotten emails. Hey, did you get 158 00:09:24,540 --> 00:09:27,390 the raw video? No, that'll never be anywhere that'll never be 159 00:09:27,390 --> 00:09:33,270 released ever. I like the opening where you know, he 160 00:09:33,270 --> 00:09:35,670 Snowden came in through the backdoor the elevator and 161 00:09:35,670 --> 00:09:38,130 they're filming him like a reality show. It's like, Do you 162 00:09:38,130 --> 00:09:40,920 think I'm stupid that this you can't see this is staged. 163 00:09:41,130 --> 00:09:44,250 There's a camera in the elevator waiting for him to come in. This 164 00:09:44,250 --> 00:09:48,480 is how reality shows work. I bet you a lot of people don't 165 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,390 realise that. Oh, there he is. He's walking in. 166 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,170 It just happened to have it. Yeah, I'm I'm reminded of the 167 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,260 reality show gimmick where they where the guy says I'm gonna 168 00:09:58,260 --> 00:10:01,170 have to call Laura and tell her that we're not I can I do the 169 00:10:01,170 --> 00:10:08,040 date? And then there's a Laura in some other room picks it up 170 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:13,260 and you're really we can't go. Oh no. Like, are you kidding me? 171 00:10:13,260 --> 00:10:16,650 Exactly. It's not even close to being interesting. Exactly. 172 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:23,700 Yeah. Anyways, as I would use that term loosely. There was a 173 00:10:23,700 --> 00:10:26,340 number of things in here. I thought were interesting. I'm 174 00:10:26,340 --> 00:10:28,860 looking at my list of clips, I got way too many clips, but 175 00:10:28,860 --> 00:10:34,260 they're pretty not too many of them are long. And we can just 176 00:10:34,260 --> 00:10:37,440 jump around to a few. I mean, well, I didn't get the clip 177 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,200 where he because I thought it was played on the TV enough. 178 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,650 Oh, where he says that he's a spy agent. This is so funny, 179 00:10:43,650 --> 00:10:46,530 because I was thinking to myself, Oh, I don't need to clip 180 00:10:46,530 --> 00:10:48,870 that because John will have it or everyone's heard it at this 181 00:10:48,870 --> 00:10:52,530 point. We got so much email. And here's the crazy thing we 182 00:10:52,530 --> 00:10:57,210 already had all this months ago. Well, first of all, our premise 183 00:10:57,210 --> 00:11:00,030 has always been that he was worked for the CIA and that this 184 00:11:00,030 --> 00:11:04,890 was a hit job on the NSA. Glenn Greenwald da rraff has written 185 00:11:04,890 --> 00:11:08,700 in his book that he vetted Snowden when Snowden showed him 186 00:11:08,700 --> 00:11:13,290 his CIA credentials. And this was pretty much everything was 187 00:11:13,290 --> 00:11:16,470 already asked and answered in the German interview, which got 188 00:11:16,470 --> 00:11:17,790 zero play. 189 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:19,920 Yeah, nobody played the in the United States. Nobody played the 190 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,230 German interview, but it's available, you can get it and go 191 00:11:22,230 --> 00:11:22,380 to 192 00:11:22,410 --> 00:11:27,630 Yes, link in the show notes. I put it in there for for anyone 193 00:11:27,630 --> 00:11:31,590 who wants to go and take a look at it. So yes, he does say I was 194 00:11:31,590 --> 00:11:32,310 a spy. 195 00:11:33,210 --> 00:11:35,760 And I had fake names. And I wore a funny mask. 196 00:11:36,540 --> 00:11:37,710 It didn't say that part. 197 00:11:39,540 --> 00:11:42,810 So here's the clip day this is I'm going to just jump around 198 00:11:42,810 --> 00:11:45,330 and start with these these two to start with to show what this 199 00:11:45,330 --> 00:11:48,510 is kind of how this was set up and scripted. This is the 200 00:11:48,510 --> 00:11:51,690 Snowden key working for the government clip. And this is 201 00:11:51,690 --> 00:11:54,270 where he says he's still working for the government. This is part 202 00:11:54,270 --> 00:11:58,080 of I believe this is a not sure if this is a two part question 203 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:03,090 or not, but it but Brian Williams go he played me he does 204 00:12:03,090 --> 00:12:05,640 the interview like a Larry King interview where he just changes 205 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,940 the subject, in a very awkward way. So he never has a 206 00:12:08,940 --> 00:12:12,270 conversation or listens to Snowden. He just has these 207 00:12:12,270 --> 00:12:15,060 candid questions that come in out of the blue and they're 208 00:12:15,060 --> 00:12:15,930 tightly cut. 209 00:12:16,020 --> 00:12:19,680 I would say it's even different. John, I would say he has no 210 00:12:19,680 --> 00:12:22,650 conversation at all. These are all just questions that are 211 00:12:22,650 --> 00:12:26,220 being asked and answered. And it's it's edited to make it look 212 00:12:26,220 --> 00:12:27,540 like a conversation. I don't think 213 00:12:28,410 --> 00:12:30,630 you're right, because because Larry King doesn't do that. He 214 00:12:30,630 --> 00:12:32,370 just does the quick difference. 215 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,530 I don't think Brian Williams could have a conversation if his 216 00:12:34,530 --> 00:12:35,550 life depended on it. 217 00:12:36,630 --> 00:12:39,420 That's probably true. And he didn't have one to hear. And 218 00:12:39,420 --> 00:12:44,400 then Snowden is so reserved and smug. It's like he's rehearsed 219 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,780 these lines as these answers are canned. And it's like, it's very 220 00:12:48,810 --> 00:12:52,140 unappealing to me. I'm very disappointed in this thing. Of 221 00:12:52,140 --> 00:12:55,140 course, I would expect this on NBC. But the play key working 222 00:12:55,140 --> 00:12:56,340 for the government clip legal 223 00:12:56,340 --> 00:13:00,510 sources tell NBC News that Snowdens legal team has been in 224 00:13:00,510 --> 00:13:04,200 contact with the government's lawyers, but negotiations have 225 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:08,370 not yet begun. Are you looking for clemency or amnesty? Would 226 00:13:08,370 --> 00:13:09,570 you like to go home? 227 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,930 I don't think there's ever been any question that I'd like to go 228 00:13:12,930 --> 00:13:16,110 home. I mean, I, from day one said that I'm doing this to 229 00:13:16,110 --> 00:13:19,140 serve my country, I'm still working for the government. Now, 230 00:13:19,170 --> 00:13:23,250 whether amnesty or clemency ever becomes a possibility is not for 231 00:13:23,250 --> 00:13:26,190 me to say that to make for public and the government to 232 00:13:26,190 --> 00:13:26,670 decide. 233 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:33,060 Alright, so he says that, and then I guess somewhere along the 234 00:13:33,060 --> 00:13:37,050 line, like 10 minutes later, when they're, you know, clipping 235 00:13:37,050 --> 00:13:39,210 this thing together could be a half an hour later, for all I 236 00:13:39,210 --> 00:13:42,480 know, they may do a series of questions and answers and then 237 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,780 pull away, analyse what was said, and then they say, Oh, my 238 00:13:45,780 --> 00:13:49,170 God, we let this slip by let's, let's, 239 00:13:49,469 --> 00:13:52,409 here's how it went. Here's because this it came at the end, 240 00:13:52,409 --> 00:13:55,169 and I think it was different. So hey, man, thank you. Thanks for 241 00:13:55,169 --> 00:13:57,509 your interview, and whatever. And then the producer. Oh, no, 242 00:13:57,689 --> 00:13:59,339 we have to ask one more question. You have to do a 243 00:13:59,339 --> 00:14:02,069 little follow up about the working for the government 244 00:14:02,069 --> 00:14:05,639 thing. It seemed to me like I've done these interviews. 245 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,450 And I'm agreeing that but I think it's because they caught 246 00:14:09,450 --> 00:14:12,990 the mistake. Yeah, but Brian Williams did the whole thing. I 247 00:14:12,990 --> 00:14:15,930 think this was going on all along. Yeah. I think it was a 248 00:14:15,930 --> 00:14:20,100 continuum of what can we do? But you might be right hold I get 249 00:14:20,100 --> 00:14:20,670 back I get 250 00:14:21,569 --> 00:14:25,499 this. I've done interviews. I've done these interviews and 251 00:14:25,499 --> 00:14:28,379 junkets and stuff. I'm certainly when I was much younger and much 252 00:14:28,379 --> 00:14:31,649 more inexperienced, then either didn't have the wherewithal to 253 00:14:31,649 --> 00:14:35,729 have a producer never come up and do that to me because that's 254 00:14:35,759 --> 00:14:37,949 really horrible. When the producers you got to ask this 255 00:14:37,949 --> 00:14:40,439 question and then you literally with the guests there and you 256 00:14:40,439 --> 00:14:44,489 have to ask the question again, like if some robots which which 257 00:14:44,489 --> 00:14:49,199 you are and Brian Williams reminder, this guy was doing 258 00:14:49,199 --> 00:14:54,359 interviews local, the NBC staff in New Jersey with plastic 259 00:14:54,359 --> 00:15:00,539 surgeons, interviewing MILFs about their boob jobs. Yeah, 260 00:15:00,569 --> 00:15:03,509 that's you know, that's before he became the Brian Williams the 261 00:15:03,540 --> 00:15:08,700 well he went to NBC and became an F fake anchor there for a 262 00:15:08,700 --> 00:15:11,790 while and then they of course, they bumped at the new show 263 00:15:11,790 --> 00:15:14,880 there and moved him in. He was a logical choice. But he's always 264 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:16,980 seems because he's not used to come on Letterman, Eleni always 265 00:15:16,980 --> 00:15:18,600 seem to want to be a comic. Yeah. 266 00:15:18,900 --> 00:15:20,970 Do you have? Do you have the clip where the question is? 267 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,240 This is the next one. Is Snowden working for the government 268 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,820 school further now? And that's the follow up clip. This came 269 00:15:26,820 --> 00:15:33,390 later in the show. I don't have it snowed in something the word 270 00:15:33,390 --> 00:15:36,270 I crossed it out already? Yeah, 271 00:15:36,330 --> 00:15:38,430 I can't. I can't see what it is. 272 00:15:39,150 --> 00:15:41,850 What you said Snowden key working for the government. I 273 00:15:41,850 --> 00:15:46,320 have that one. You have asked what you would miss? Yes, that 274 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,560 one yet? No. Best comment. And I'm just going through Yeah, 275 00:15:49,590 --> 00:15:52,500 best counterpart to best comment part. Oh, 276 00:15:52,500 --> 00:15:54,930 correcting the record. I'm sorry. You got it or that went 277 00:15:54,930 --> 00:15:57,630 wrong. Did you say earlier you were still serving your 278 00:15:57,630 --> 00:15:59,550 government? Yes. How so? 279 00:16:00,810 --> 00:16:03,990 When you look at the actions that I've taken, when you look 280 00:16:03,990 --> 00:16:06,540 at the carefulness of the programmes that have been this 281 00:16:06,540 --> 00:16:09,540 close, when you look at the way, this has all been filtered 282 00:16:09,750 --> 00:16:12,480 through the most trusted journalistic institutions in 283 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,750 America, when you look at the way the government has had a 284 00:16:15,750 --> 00:16:21,300 chance to chime in on this, and to make their case. And when you 285 00:16:21,300 --> 00:16:25,560 look at the changes that it's resulted in, we've had the first 286 00:16:25,590 --> 00:16:29,730 open Federal Court ever review these programmes, declare likely 287 00:16:29,730 --> 00:16:33,840 unconstitutional and Orwellian. And now you see Congress 288 00:16:33,990 --> 00:16:40,110 agreeing that mass surveillance, bulk collection needs to end 289 00:16:40,950 --> 00:16:44,640 with all of these things happening, that the government 290 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:49,050 agrees all the way up to the President, again, make us 291 00:16:49,050 --> 00:16:52,710 stronger? How can it be said that I did not serve my 292 00:16:52,710 --> 00:16:56,580 government? How can it be said that this harms the country when 293 00:16:56,610 --> 00:17:00,360 all three branches of government have made reforms as a result of 294 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:00,510 it? 295 00:17:01,020 --> 00:17:05,370 I also not maybe I missed it, but not a single point during 296 00:17:05,370 --> 00:17:08,010 the interview. Did I ever hear him say anything negative or 297 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,370 even talk about the CIA, except for the 298 00:17:11,730 --> 00:17:14,460 Shan disco? I'm going to point something out on this particular 299 00:17:14,460 --> 00:17:18,840 thing which occurred later in the show he Snowden and go back 300 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,530 to the first clip if you want, but I wouldn't do it. Said I'm 301 00:17:22,530 --> 00:17:25,470 still working for the government. Yes, very different. 302 00:17:25,710 --> 00:17:29,070 He said you said you were still serving the government. So 303 00:17:29,070 --> 00:17:33,420 Snowden didn't have to lie. But it sounded as though it to the 304 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,970 you know, people just casually watching that, that what he 305 00:17:35,970 --> 00:17:39,240 meant by working for the government was this explanation 306 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,120 that he just gave now. But the question was different. It 307 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:44,820 wasn't Yes. You said you were still working for the government 308 00:17:44,820 --> 00:17:46,980 you're getting? I mean, here's the way you asked the question. 309 00:17:46,980 --> 00:17:50,130 If you're if this was legit. You said and you do it right away. 310 00:17:50,130 --> 00:17:52,500 You do it when he said it the first time that 10 minutes 311 00:17:52,500 --> 00:17:55,140 later, you say you said you're still working for the 312 00:17:55,140 --> 00:17:57,510 government? Are you collecting a paycheck? Are you still on the 313 00:17:57,510 --> 00:18:00,660 payroll? What What do you mean by that? Exactly? Not Are you 314 00:18:00,660 --> 00:18:05,640 said you were still serving the government and then some tirade? 315 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,420 Well, let me just interrupt because you mentioned the CIA 316 00:18:09,420 --> 00:18:13,050 wasn't mentioned except from beginning. What else wasn't 317 00:18:13,050 --> 00:18:19,830 mentioned. What else wasn't mentioned, was his girlfriend. 318 00:18:20,130 --> 00:18:23,130 He never once mentioned his girlfriend, he says, I want to 319 00:18:23,130 --> 00:18:25,530 get back to my family. I want to get back to my home. 320 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,110 You know, it's funny, you say that when he said, I want to get 321 00:18:28,110 --> 00:18:32,700 back to my family, his tongue came out. Which as we know is is 322 00:18:32,730 --> 00:18:36,540 the tell tale. That is that's the underlying tell when you 323 00:18:36,540 --> 00:18:37,530 stick your tongue out. 324 00:18:37,740 --> 00:18:40,620 Now, we believe this girlfriend was some agent too. And they 325 00:18:40,620 --> 00:18:44,460 were just whatever, yeah, something so that I find that 326 00:18:44,460 --> 00:18:48,780 peculiar that he's talked about, he just didn't. Well, he never 327 00:18:48,780 --> 00:18:50,160 mentioned her again, ever. 328 00:18:50,190 --> 00:18:53,370 On that note, there's one thing that I caught that I didn't know 329 00:18:53,370 --> 00:18:58,320 I have not found in any online documentation. And to me was a 330 00:18:58,320 --> 00:18:58,830 really 331 00:18:58,860 --> 00:19:02,130 I remember the tension of that day. I remember hearing on the 332 00:19:02,130 --> 00:19:05,490 radio, the plane said, and I remember thinking my 333 00:19:05,490 --> 00:19:09,630 grandfather, who worked for the FBI at the time, was in the 334 00:19:09,630 --> 00:19:11,430 Pentagon, when the plane hit it. 335 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,910 I didn't I've never heard this. I never heard this. His 336 00:19:14,910 --> 00:19:21,630 grandfather worked for the FBI on in 2001. And he was in the 337 00:19:21,630 --> 00:19:24,120 Pentagon and who was and I can't find his grant 338 00:19:24,330 --> 00:19:26,730 FBI guy doing in the Pentagon in the first place. Thank 339 00:19:26,730 --> 00:19:31,980 you. That was weird. And there was really and I've looked in 340 00:19:32,010 --> 00:19:35,280 you if you look at Snowdens Well, it's hard to find but you 341 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,460 know, there's like family trees and genealogy stuff. Everything 342 00:19:38,460 --> 00:19:43,920 points to his grandfather being deceased in 1886. to I don't 343 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:47,430 know where that came from. That was weird. And of course, you 344 00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:51,000 know, because it's a chopped up interview, no follow up. No, no 345 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:55,470 anything but and it's not on his wiki page. We'd expect someone 346 00:19:55,470 --> 00:19:57,270 to have figured this out and put that in there. But 347 00:19:58,110 --> 00:20:01,770 it could be a mistake that he made said that I could be a 348 00:20:01,770 --> 00:20:07,440 screw up I could be a lie I don't know what you know maybe 349 00:20:07,470 --> 00:20:10,470 he's full of crap about some stuff what you know is or a 350 00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:14,430 cover. I don't know. The I find it peculiar Gee. So there's this 351 00:20:14,430 --> 00:20:18,870 whole thing was just crappy. Here's what one thing I thought 352 00:20:18,900 --> 00:20:22,680 here's the shorty that we all cracked up when we heard this is 353 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,520 snowed and snowed in as the TV critic. Yeah. 354 00:20:27,149 --> 00:20:31,529 physical connections. Right now I'm watching a show the wire 355 00:20:31,619 --> 00:20:35,489 about surveillance, which is I'm really enjoying it the second 356 00:20:35,489 --> 00:20:36,779 season is not so great. But 357 00:20:38,580 --> 00:20:40,920 he should he should have gone on and said House of Cards, the 358 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,590 British version is outstanding. I mean, that would have been 359 00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:46,260 better. Actually Mimi's watching this. She says, you know, I 360 00:20:46,260 --> 00:20:50,130 would say I would watch a show with this guy as a TV. Yeah. 361 00:20:51,210 --> 00:20:57,180 Totally got nothing else to do totally. This another one I find 362 00:20:57,180 --> 00:21:01,470 peculiar. This is Snowden. This is the licence bloggers. Yeah, 363 00:21:01,500 --> 00:21:06,480 this is known. And I don't know, if I'm being hosted by Russia, 364 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:12,630 that I would bitch about anything until I got out safely. 365 00:21:13,980 --> 00:21:15,990 Because they're like, you know, they're gonna say, you know, 366 00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:18,420 this time, they have to keep renewing him, or they're gonna 367 00:21:18,420 --> 00:21:21,360 have to kick them out of the country. So I wouldn't be making 368 00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:25,110 commentary. Now, I think that most of this commentary is 369 00:21:25,110 --> 00:21:27,540 really aimed at the United States because as you know, I've 370 00:21:27,540 --> 00:21:33,960 been a big advocate of the cons not not positive advocate, but 371 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:38,250 I've been an advocate that somehow some way the FCC or 372 00:21:38,250 --> 00:21:41,280 someone's going to end up licenced licencing bloggers and 373 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:41,820 podcast, 374 00:21:41,850 --> 00:21:45,000 which is why we have podcast licenced.com. Exactly. 375 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:49,920 And this little commentary by Snowden hear about bloggers in 376 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,870 Russia, I thought it was weird 377 00:21:51,930 --> 00:21:55,410 registration law in Russia, I can't think of any basis for a 378 00:21:55,410 --> 00:21:59,100 law like that, not just in Russia. But in any country. The 379 00:21:59,100 --> 00:22:01,920 government shouldn't be regulating the operations of a 380 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:06,210 free press, whether it's NBC, or whether it's some blogger in 381 00:22:06,210 --> 00:22:09,300 their living room. There's so much that needs to be defended 382 00:22:09,330 --> 00:22:13,530 here in Russia. But I'm limited by my inability to speak Russian 383 00:22:13,530 --> 00:22:16,260 and so on and so forth. That it's it's an isolating and 384 00:22:16,260 --> 00:22:21,840 frustrating thing. And I really hope that Russia, the United 385 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,980 States, and many other countries, will work to push 386 00:22:25,980 --> 00:22:29,340 back against this constantly increasing surveillance against 387 00:22:29,340 --> 00:22:33,180 this constant erosion and abrasion of public rights. 388 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:34,050 Correct me 389 00:22:34,050 --> 00:22:37,980 if I'm wrong. Yeah. Now there's. So there's a couple of things 390 00:22:37,980 --> 00:22:42,480 instead of saying free speech, he said free press, which I 391 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,480 think is an interesting, different choice, different, 392 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:51,360 different topic. And then it was kind of like the international 393 00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:54,450 aspect to it. I wonder what was your take on that? I found that 394 00:22:54,450 --> 00:22:55,020 to be 395 00:22:55,860 --> 00:22:58,560 I thought it was some I didn't know, that's where I clipped it, 396 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,320 because it had some sort of universal. It was some 397 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,740 commentary in there. And I couldn't it code of some sort. I 398 00:23:04,740 --> 00:23:07,800 couldn't quite pull it out of there. I do know that he was 399 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,610 complaining. And right. But he had a couple little messages in 400 00:23:11,610 --> 00:23:15,090 there one because he says, because I don't speak Russian 401 00:23:15,090 --> 00:23:16,200 and so on. And so 402 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,530 I think that was that was maybe a throwback are a call back to 403 00:23:19,530 --> 00:23:23,640 when he was on Putin's little TV show. And he messed it up. And 404 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,100 you know, it came across as really dumb. 405 00:23:26,550 --> 00:23:30,330 Well, he's been in Russia now for about a year. Yes, it was in 406 00:23:30,330 --> 00:23:35,280 May of 2013 that he was permitted trek from China. Now, 407 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,150 if I'm in Russia, like this, I'm learning Russian, Russian. I 408 00:23:39,150 --> 00:23:43,710 mean, I may be stuck there forever. I don't know. I am not 409 00:23:43,710 --> 00:23:47,190 going to be sitting in my room on my ass doing nothing or just 410 00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:51,540 communicating with Glenn Greenwald. I will be learning 411 00:23:51,570 --> 00:23:55,650 Russian and I and if I if I ever worked for the CIA or the NSA, I 412 00:23:55,650 --> 00:23:59,910 would be inclined to want to learn Russian. Now, I can't 413 00:23:59,910 --> 00:24:02,370 believe he's not doing that. It doesn't make any sense to me, 414 00:24:02,370 --> 00:24:07,260 especially if he's was or is a spy. Unless he actually is 415 00:24:07,260 --> 00:24:10,530 learning Russian or may already be fluent in Russian. We don't 416 00:24:10,530 --> 00:24:15,150 know. Well, I have that. By the way. It gives you a huge 417 00:24:15,150 --> 00:24:18,420 advantage. When you're in you know, you're hanging around and 418 00:24:18,420 --> 00:24:21,150 you can't speak Russian but you can actually speak Russian you 419 00:24:21,150 --> 00:24:24,060 can hear what they're saying. You very advantageous. 420 00:24:26,730 --> 00:24:30,870 There was an observation and this I'd seen this it had not 421 00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:36,060 really registered we got a Kyle Barton one of our producers sent 422 00:24:36,060 --> 00:24:43,770 me a note and and when he tickled my brain about this. I 423 00:24:43,770 --> 00:24:46,350 thought wow, you know, this is actually a big piece of 424 00:24:46,350 --> 00:24:50,040 information. Do you wear Have you ever do you have glasses? 425 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:54,600 You don't wear glasses? Do you? Yeah, I do. Yeah. But not 426 00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:55,200 frequently. 427 00:24:55,230 --> 00:24:59,610 You pro eyelash I got it. When you're near sighted in younger 428 00:25:00,510 --> 00:25:03,840 As you get older, your eyeball does this kind of does a loop 429 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,660 starts getting you making you farsighted. So I'm actually 430 00:25:06,660 --> 00:25:09,660 almost 2020. Right? So I don't wear I'm very you 431 00:25:09,660 --> 00:25:15,480 have glasses with that or one piece or with pads on the on the 432 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:16,380 bridge of the nose. 433 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:22,530 There's the current glasses I have have have pad hats, right? 434 00:25:23,070 --> 00:25:25,140 Have you ever had a pad fall off? 435 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,090 Yeah, years ago when I was a kid. Yeah. And and how is that? 436 00:25:31,020 --> 00:25:33,450 Well, you can't wear the glasses because you get poked in the 437 00:25:33,450 --> 00:25:34,170 nose. Right? 438 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:39,210 If you go back to the original video that Laura Poitras and 439 00:25:39,210 --> 00:25:43,080 Gunray, we wrote down I did in Hong Kong, you will see that the 440 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:49,350 left nose pad of Edward Snowdens glasses is missing. And I 441 00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:53,250 noticed that because it also is is being videoed from the Left 442 00:25:53,250 --> 00:25:55,680 Angle. As he was again, 443 00:25:56,220 --> 00:25:59,250 the picture on his wiki page shows these glasses and I think 444 00:25:59,250 --> 00:26:01,110 you I think you might be correct. And 445 00:26:01,110 --> 00:26:04,500 if you look at last night's video, he is one year later 446 00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:09,180 still wearing the same glasses with the same missing nose pad. 447 00:26:11,310 --> 00:26:16,080 Now this can be interpreted in a number of ways one key only puts 448 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,150 the glasses on for the interviewer and they're Bogota. 449 00:26:18,300 --> 00:26:22,650 But when I look at the glasses, there's definitely you can see 450 00:26:22,650 --> 00:26:24,240 that they are of strength. 451 00:26:24,750 --> 00:26:27,240 Right? They are two. 452 00:26:29,220 --> 00:26:30,360 He is 453 00:26:30,810 --> 00:26:34,500 well hold on a second. I'm looking at the blowed up picture 454 00:26:34,500 --> 00:26:37,560 on Wikipedia, which is showing these glasses. And they show 455 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,980 that the right eye is definitely his near sighted because that's 456 00:26:40,980 --> 00:26:43,890 the kind of way it goes it would not if it was your foresight 457 00:26:43,890 --> 00:26:46,560 that makes you eyeball look bigger. If you're nearsighted 458 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,040 makes it look smaller. And it also has this effect. But it did 459 00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:54,000 the left to right I assume is also be grey. I'm not the eye 460 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,600 but the lenses seem to be grey, a little grey and the other ones 461 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,110 are looks like they're just blanks. I don't know this is 462 00:27:01,110 --> 00:27:03,270 interesting. I'll tell you what the theory well, 463 00:27:03,570 --> 00:27:08,670 you cannot. There's no if you're in one place. And I've had this 464 00:27:08,670 --> 00:27:13,260 happen to me in Portugal or Spain or different places this 465 00:27:13,260 --> 00:27:16,830 happens and Mickey's had it happen in weird places. You can 466 00:27:16,830 --> 00:27:22,170 get this fixed. Yeah. And you AFAC and you will get this fix 467 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,440 Kong you will get this fix because you cannot really 468 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:30,120 functions extremely irritating. So either he's not wearing these 469 00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:33,330 glasses consistently and doesn't care only wears them for 470 00:27:33,330 --> 00:27:38,340 interviews, or I think it's very possible that he is under 471 00:27:38,340 --> 00:27:44,940 extreme duress and is being controlled and cannot even get 472 00:27:44,940 --> 00:27:51,060 out to do this. That's interesting. And that may be 473 00:27:51,090 --> 00:27:53,550 because he's under Russian control, which would be the most 474 00:27:53,550 --> 00:27:58,410 logical answer. And they are you know, they have the hammer on 475 00:27:58,410 --> 00:28:05,370 his head and don't mess it up boy. But, but he is not free to 476 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:10,590 he's not free. That to me says he's not free could also be now 477 00:28:10,590 --> 00:28:12,690 if I were you know, it could also be a message. 478 00:28:13,470 --> 00:28:16,980 Yeah, I'm not free. It could be a message that said yeah, I 479 00:28:16,980 --> 00:28:17,760 would but no, 480 00:28:17,790 --> 00:28:20,460 no one has really picked up on this and I feel that it is not 481 00:28:20,460 --> 00:28:22,890 irrelevant to the entire picture. 482 00:28:24,510 --> 00:28:26,640 And that would explain why he's not learning Russian. 483 00:28:26,850 --> 00:28:31,080 Or maybe he Yeah, exactly. If you just stuck in one place 484 00:28:31,170 --> 00:28:34,680 any number of other possible situations here well that's 485 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,750 entry Yeah, I'm just so I'm looking at the glasses now 486 00:28:36,750 --> 00:28:44,910 you're right. I thought the best kind you have a best comment is 487 00:28:44,910 --> 00:28:47,640 not a best comment in terms of content for our show. But it's 488 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,870 like here he is this where he defends the NSA in an offhanded 489 00:28:51,870 --> 00:28:52,320 way yeah, 490 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,350 this was this was this to me also kind of wrap that up saying 491 00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:59,580 hey, the it's the douchebags at the top and it's all the money 492 00:28:59,580 --> 00:29:01,320 that's going in there not the actual people 493 00:29:01,350 --> 00:29:04,320 I think his commentary during this this but I got two parts of 494 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,990 this clip. I think the commentary that he makes in here 495 00:29:06,990 --> 00:29:11,910 I think is is aimed right at the John McCain's Yeah, the rest of 496 00:29:11,910 --> 00:29:16,230 the douchebags as you would have it that are running the show 497 00:29:16,260 --> 00:29:16,830 caught up 498 00:29:16,830 --> 00:29:19,950 in all these issues people have you know, unfairly demonised the 499 00:29:19,950 --> 00:29:23,880 NSA to a point that's too extreme. These are good people 500 00:29:24,540 --> 00:29:31,530 trying to do hard work for good reasons. The problem that we're 501 00:29:31,530 --> 00:29:36,810 confronted with the challenge that we're facing is not the 502 00:29:36,810 --> 00:29:41,370 working level guy is you know, some some moustache twirling 503 00:29:41,370 --> 00:29:44,730 villain who's out to destroy your life. It's the fact that 504 00:29:44,730 --> 00:29:50,160 senior officials are investing themselves with powers that 505 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,370 they're not entitled to. And they're doing it without asking 506 00:29:53,370 --> 00:29:54,810 the public for any kind of consent. 507 00:29:59,130 --> 00:30:02,910 Okay, I thought that was the most poignant thing. He said, I 508 00:30:02,910 --> 00:30:03,180 agree. 509 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,260 And as a guy, and as a guy working for the CIA trying to 510 00:30:07,260 --> 00:30:11,100 bring down the NSA, that that fits the model. 511 00:30:11,250 --> 00:30:15,660 It fits the model, especially if his CIA old school, and it would 512 00:30:15,660 --> 00:30:20,160 be, you know, calling out the douchebags are the same guy that 513 00:30:20,190 --> 00:30:21,360 you can see who they are, 514 00:30:21,390 --> 00:30:24,990 by the way, note that he didn't say that about the CIA or the 515 00:30:24,990 --> 00:30:29,070 DIA or any other agency. He said, It's specifically so much 516 00:30:29,070 --> 00:30:31,470 the NSA. Yeah, about the NSA fixture, 517 00:30:32,010 --> 00:30:37,260 which is again, a, you know, appears to be at this point, a 518 00:30:37,260 --> 00:30:41,130 blackmailing operation. Yeah. So did we finish the part two with 519 00:30:41,130 --> 00:30:43,230 it? Whereas I think there's a follow up question is what 520 00:30:43,230 --> 00:30:47,310 I just heard you feeling bad for the damage DNS Hold 521 00:30:47,310 --> 00:30:51,300 on a second, let me say, You got to listen to Snowden because he 522 00:30:51,300 --> 00:30:55,110 feels this. I don't know what is going on here. But he was told 523 00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:58,380 to ask this, obviously. And Snowden fills up the answer with 524 00:30:58,380 --> 00:31:01,320 a bunch of non sequiturs and a couple of sentences that make 525 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,780 zero sense as a result 526 00:31:03,810 --> 00:31:05,940 of what you've exposed from the NSA. 527 00:31:06,659 --> 00:31:11,309 What what you need to understand in what I was saying, I guess, 528 00:31:11,309 --> 00:31:13,139 not what you need to understand, but 529 00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:16,920 I liked that little bit, too. That was what was what do you 530 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:17,820 think that was about? 531 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,390 He made a mistake on the script. 532 00:31:23,070 --> 00:31:24,000 saying is, 533 00:31:24,270 --> 00:31:27,660 but wrong, that prompt back leave, okay. Not 534 00:31:27,780 --> 00:31:34,260 damage to the NSA. It's the sort of conspiratorial thinking that 535 00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:37,170 can emerge. Sometimes when we see the government has committed 536 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,490 real and serious abuses, that lead us to think they can do no 537 00:31:41,490 --> 00:31:44,730 good. And the government does have legitimate programmes and 538 00:31:44,730 --> 00:31:48,000 legitimate purposes, and they can do great things the NSA can 539 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:48,450 as well. 540 00:31:49,860 --> 00:31:54,150 Right? Okay, so that was like his, it, that whole little 541 00:31:54,180 --> 00:32:01,440 exchange was weird. He play play this one, this is the Snowden 542 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,440 can sleep at night. And then there's a big Greenwald plug, 543 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,170 which made me suspicious of the whole event ability to go to 544 00:32:07,170 --> 00:32:10,320 sleep at night to put my head on the pillow. And feel comfortable 545 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,590 that I've done the right thing, even when it was the hard thing. 546 00:32:14,790 --> 00:32:15,870 And I'm comfortable with that. 547 00:32:17,670 --> 00:32:20,820 A good number of Americans of course, feel that because of 548 00:32:20,820 --> 00:32:25,230 what they see as an act of treason, they sleep less soundly 549 00:32:25,230 --> 00:32:29,640 at night, fearing this massive leak of secrets has endangered 550 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,600 the country. And there is more on the way Glenn Greenwald says 551 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,020 the next story he is going to publish based on the Snowden 552 00:32:37,020 --> 00:32:40,770 documents may be the biggest yet in terms of impact. 553 00:32:40,860 --> 00:32:45,630 And this, of course, is the promise that grand reenroll is 554 00:32:45,630 --> 00:32:51,240 going to publish names of people surveilled, name names. There 555 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,580 was another little Greg Greg Greenwald thing in there, which 556 00:32:53,580 --> 00:32:55,860 I found interesting, which I don't think you picked up on. 557 00:32:55,890 --> 00:32:56,220 And that's 558 00:32:56,220 --> 00:32:59,760 the reason that the journalists have been required by their 559 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,670 agreement with me as the source, although they could obviously 560 00:33:03,060 --> 00:33:06,480 break that or do whatever they want. But I demanded that they 561 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,930 agree to consult with the government to make sure that no 562 00:33:09,930 --> 00:33:12,690 individuals or specific harms could be caused by any of that 563 00:33:12,690 --> 00:33:13,080 reporting. 564 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,890 So this is something that we've already known, but it's rarely 565 00:33:16,890 --> 00:33:19,950 really discussed is that every single story, even the ones that 566 00:33:19,950 --> 00:33:24,360 come out on, you know, the fabulous intercept, are always 567 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,160 vetted through the government. And we know that this was 568 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,180 happening. When he was at The Guardian. We have the Guardian 569 00:33:30,180 --> 00:33:32,850 editors confirming this and that the government said, No, it's 570 00:33:32,850 --> 00:33:35,130 okay. You know, they didn't even say there was any problem to 571 00:33:35,130 --> 00:33:40,110 national security. And NBC and this is how this ties in John, 572 00:33:40,650 --> 00:33:45,390 NBC has hired Greenwald to be their 573 00:33:45,810 --> 00:33:49,290 government contacts. That includes NBC News, which has 574 00:33:49,290 --> 00:33:53,040 reported on its own batch of Snowden documents and has a 575 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,400 reporting relationship with Glenn Greenwald. Uh huh. Right, 576 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:56,520 I 577 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,850 saw that I heard that, because I was gonna ask he was going to 578 00:33:59,850 --> 00:34:03,150 clip and now the thing about that clip that I didn't 579 00:34:03,150 --> 00:34:07,260 understand before if true, I don't remember this. Maybe you 580 00:34:07,260 --> 00:34:12,420 can tell me that you remember it was Snowden is the one Snowden 581 00:34:12,420 --> 00:34:15,240 is the one who insisted on government clearance for the 582 00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:18,870 stories. Yes. As opposed to the writers themselves. Yes. 583 00:34:18,899 --> 00:34:21,059 That that was his deal. Yes. 584 00:34:21,090 --> 00:34:23,220 You know that for a fact that that was the way it was done. 585 00:34:23,220 --> 00:34:24,420 Because no, I don't of course, I 586 00:34:24,420 --> 00:34:25,290 don't I have no, I 587 00:34:25,290 --> 00:34:27,960 have no, it seems to me as though the writers are looking 588 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,680 for, you know, it's kind of I would say covering it looks like 589 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,710 they need to cover any cover. Because if I get a bunch of 590 00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:37,770 stuff, and I'm going to write about it and I but I say the 591 00:34:37,770 --> 00:34:41,490 national security writer, I'm probably somehow affiliated with 592 00:34:41,490 --> 00:34:44,940 some agency or other but I'm writing about his and I gotta go 593 00:34:44,940 --> 00:34:48,060 and take my writing and say, Here's the article I'm running. 594 00:34:48,060 --> 00:34:51,990 Can you approve? You know, I can do this. Is it okay dump boss, 595 00:34:52,530 --> 00:34:54,750 to the government and they say okay, well, you don't want this 596 00:34:54,750 --> 00:34:57,300 but you can do this, this and this. And then and then I get 597 00:34:57,300 --> 00:34:59,970 caught for doing that. I look like I'm not much of a jerk. 598 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:00,600 List. Yeah, 599 00:35:00,630 --> 00:35:06,120 exactly. I think this is more towards the public. That and 600 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,440 I've heard Greenwald do this a number of times, he talks about 601 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:15,900 his deal with his source. You know, and I guess this is some 602 00:35:15,930 --> 00:35:24,420 holy thing. Either I, I don't know how. Yeah, I agree. I often 603 00:35:24,420 --> 00:35:26,430 it's like no, of course, he won't reveal your source. That 604 00:35:26,430 --> 00:35:31,410 is usually how it works. But it's not typical. I don't think 605 00:35:31,410 --> 00:35:34,320 that you have a deal as to how you will use the information. 606 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,550 And I think that isn't based purely use Well, if I could just 607 00:35:38,610 --> 00:35:41,280 interrupt for a moment here, this is Greenwald, he was on C 608 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:46,590 span, he did this big. book promotion. Let's just call it 609 00:35:46,590 --> 00:35:51,030 what it is a big book promotion. And this is the very end of 610 00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:54,330 course, he's very, very happy and very pleased with himself. 611 00:35:56,460 --> 00:35:59,610 It because a little telling about these relationship with 612 00:35:59,610 --> 00:36:02,460 this source and, and what he's doing, and, of course, how 613 00:36:02,460 --> 00:36:04,110 awesome he is. I don't 614 00:36:04,110 --> 00:36:08,550 make any apologies at all, for having written a book, I've been 615 00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:10,920 working on surveillance issues for eight years, I want to 616 00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:14,880 maximise every platform that I have to go around the world and 617 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,250 talking about why the surveillance policies are so 618 00:36:17,250 --> 00:36:20,100 dangerous, why government secrecy is so dangerous, urging 619 00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:23,670 people to protect their own privacy and talking about the 620 00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:26,610 reasons why that's so urgent. It was just announced today that 621 00:36:26,610 --> 00:36:29,730 Sony Pictures purchased the book in order to make a film about 622 00:36:29,730 --> 00:36:34,260 it. I'm thrilled about that as well, when, when I was growing 623 00:36:34,260 --> 00:36:37,170 up, I was obsessed with the film All the President's Men, it 624 00:36:37,170 --> 00:36:41,010 reached me about duties of journalism in a way that I 625 00:36:41,010 --> 00:36:43,020 probably never would have been reached. And I think the book 626 00:36:43,020 --> 00:36:47,340 and the film will reach people in all sorts of ways that 627 00:36:47,370 --> 00:36:50,160 wouldn't otherwise engage people. I'd be great 628 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,850 independently wealthy and could spend five months pouring my 629 00:36:53,850 --> 00:36:57,810 heart and soul 10 hours a day into a book without getting paid 630 00:36:57,810 --> 00:37:01,110 and making a living. Like pretty much every journalist and every 631 00:37:01,110 --> 00:37:03,780 person from Noam Chomsky to everybody else who might be 632 00:37:03,780 --> 00:37:07,050 admired, who's written a book, you need to get paid for your 633 00:37:07,050 --> 00:37:09,630 work like everybody else does. And I don't make any apologies 634 00:37:09,810 --> 00:37:12,810 for that as well. My duty to my sore neck did he just 635 00:37:12,810 --> 00:37:17,250 say, He's saying I'm making money on this and who gives a 636 00:37:17,250 --> 00:37:21,630 crap is to bring the message that he wanted to bring in to 637 00:37:21,690 --> 00:37:24,690 listen to his duty to his source, this is the whole point 638 00:37:24,690 --> 00:37:29,250 of the clutters back it up two more seconds, here we go. Is 639 00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:34,380 for that as well, my duty to my source is to bring the message 640 00:37:34,380 --> 00:37:35,430 that he wanted to bring 641 00:37:35,460 --> 00:37:39,090 to the world. Now this is interesting. Listen to what he's 642 00:37:39,090 --> 00:37:44,340 saying my duty to my source is to bring the message to the 643 00:37:44,340 --> 00:37:49,140 world that is not typically a journalist duty, a journalist 644 00:37:49,140 --> 00:37:50,670 duty is to bring the truth. 645 00:37:50,730 --> 00:37:54,690 Now that's the duty of an apostle. Or 646 00:37:54,990 --> 00:37:59,280 if your source is the CIA, then you have a duty to that source. 647 00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:04,590 Yeah, that would be true. And you know, it didn't listen to 648 00:38:04,590 --> 00:38:05,250 what he else 649 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,180 does. I don't make any apologies for that as well. My duty to my 650 00:38:09,180 --> 00:38:13,620 source is to bring the message that he wanted to bring to the 651 00:38:13,620 --> 00:38:17,430 world as effectively as I can and writing stories and going on 652 00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:20,610 the media and writing books and doing films are all really 653 00:38:20,610 --> 00:38:23,220 important ways for me to do that. And that's what I intend 654 00:38:23,220 --> 00:38:23,670 to keep doing. 655 00:38:23,730 --> 00:38:24,750 All right. Okay. 656 00:38:34,260 --> 00:38:38,820 Great. One thing that he's I've noticed only recently is this 657 00:38:38,820 --> 00:38:41,220 association with Noam Chomsky. 658 00:38:41,490 --> 00:38:44,790 Oh, yes. Why do you think that is? I'm wondering 659 00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:47,940 myself because it just started to appear. And Chomsky is a very 660 00:38:47,940 --> 00:38:53,160 sketchy character to begin with. I've never liked the guy. I 661 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,850 think he's a trickster. I think he's really good at twisting 662 00:38:56,850 --> 00:39:00,090 words. He said he's a linguist. And he knows how to present 663 00:39:00,090 --> 00:39:03,840 things in a very propagandistic way his use of adjectives and 664 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:09,840 adverbs in the way he does them in his arguments is extremely I 665 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:14,310 think nefarious. And he's not a I don't think he's a good guy. 666 00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:18,390 He's although he denies this now. I remember him doing it, 667 00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:22,560 which was supporting the Khmer Rouge and Pol Pot. No, until 668 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,690 they found out that this was on you know, as the wrong side of 669 00:39:24,690 --> 00:39:29,670 history as it were. And he keeps cropping up in in this he's a 670 00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:36,090 very critical of the United States. Beard subversive type of 671 00:39:36,090 --> 00:39:40,200 guy. This Chomsky character, okay, that's something we need 672 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,500 to I just find it very strange that this is only within the 673 00:39:43,530 --> 00:39:48,300 last couple of months is that somehow he's got his hooks into 674 00:39:49,230 --> 00:39:52,110 Greenwald and I believe because of Greenwald's politics, that 675 00:39:52,110 --> 00:39:57,000 Greenwald is susceptible to the Noam Chomsky thought process, 676 00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:58,950 which I've seen people fall into and they 677 00:39:59,129 --> 00:40:01,949 know I know A lot of our listeners will send me Chomsky 678 00:40:01,949 --> 00:40:02,669 articles. 679 00:40:02,850 --> 00:40:06,840 Yeah, it will ruin a Chomsky is one of those it's like an evil 680 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,780 thing to say I don't believe in this sort of thing is a mystical 681 00:40:09,780 --> 00:40:13,890 thing. But I believe it's like, an evil is the wrong word. But 682 00:40:13,890 --> 00:40:18,780 just bad policy to read Chomsky uncritically because you will be 683 00:40:18,780 --> 00:40:23,310 sucked into a into the wrong way of of your mind will not work 684 00:40:23,310 --> 00:40:23,910 correctly. 685 00:40:24,930 --> 00:40:31,770 And I need to point out that a very good policy in general for 686 00:40:31,770 --> 00:40:37,590 your overall physical health is to not watch news not not read 687 00:40:37,590 --> 00:40:41,490 news. You could probably just listen to this show once or 688 00:40:41,490 --> 00:40:45,060 twice a week and get enough and then carry on with your life and 689 00:40:45,060 --> 00:40:49,230 do other things that are more important. Right, you can get 690 00:40:49,230 --> 00:40:50,250 sucked into any of 691 00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:53,820 the I'm talking about this is that a lot of this is just 692 00:40:53,850 --> 00:40:57,840 casual getting sucked into nobodies like, try I mean, I 693 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:02,400 don't believe Brian Williams. Is that evil, you know, as Oh, I 694 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:03,540 Oh, no, I disagree. 695 00:41:03,570 --> 00:41:05,730 I think that Chomsky is, 696 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,900 at the end of the day, when it comes to most media, the whole 697 00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:14,610 idea is to get you to engage in more of their media, or more of 698 00:41:14,610 --> 00:41:15,990 their entertainment products, 699 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,660 especially the entertainment efforts. Now, let's play this 700 00:41:18,660 --> 00:41:23,010 last couple of clips and get this over with. I thought this 701 00:41:23,010 --> 00:41:25,590 was a funny way to answer a question. This is Snowden when 702 00:41:25,590 --> 00:41:28,770 he's asked what he missed what he misses from the US, or what 703 00:41:28,770 --> 00:41:35,130 would he miss? The question is, Snowden asked, What would you 704 00:41:35,130 --> 00:41:36,930 miss? Sorry? Yeah. Okay. 705 00:41:37,170 --> 00:41:38,640 Do you see yourself as a patriot? 706 00:41:39,090 --> 00:41:48,330 I do. You know, I think Patriot is a word that's, that's thrown 707 00:41:48,330 --> 00:41:52,200 around so much that it can be devalued nowadays. But being a 708 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:56,040 patriot, doesn't mean prioritising service to 709 00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:03,030 government above all else. Being a patriot means knowing when to 710 00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:06,390 protect your country, knowing when to protect your 711 00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:09,030 constitution, knowing when to protect, 712 00:42:09,060 --> 00:42:12,270 I was bummed out that he mispronounced constitution. 713 00:42:13,020 --> 00:42:16,920 And I was bummed out by effects as your constitution instead of 714 00:42:17,460 --> 00:42:22,860 good catch, good catch. Ah, instead of my Yeah, or the 715 00:42:23,130 --> 00:42:26,520 knowing when to protect your constitution, knowing when to 716 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:32,160 protect your countrymen from the violations of an end 717 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:36,210 encroachments of adversaries. And those adversaries don't have 718 00:42:36,210 --> 00:42:41,040 to be foreign countries. They can be bad policies. They can be 719 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,070 officials who you know need a little bit more accountability. 720 00:42:44,850 --> 00:42:48,600 They can be mistakes of government and simple overreach 721 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,790 and things that should never have been tried but 722 00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:55,080 many in government say Snowden should pay for what he has done 723 00:42:55,140 --> 00:42:58,500 whether or not he comes home What do you miss about home? 724 00:43:01,980 --> 00:43:05,970 Think the only the only answer to something like that for 725 00:43:05,970 --> 00:43:09,900 somebody who's in my situation is you know, what don't I miss? 726 00:43:10,170 --> 00:43:12,960 What would you miss? You know, what wouldn't you miss? 727 00:43:13,470 --> 00:43:17,790 Interesting. My. And I was all alone watching this Miss Mickey 728 00:43:17,790 --> 00:43:23,790 had a dinner with some people and I had the same kind of vibe 729 00:43:23,820 --> 00:43:27,360 about that answer. Like, yeah, yeah. What wouldn't it? Yeah, 730 00:43:27,390 --> 00:43:30,780 there's so much What wouldn't I miss as an American as a true 731 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:35,070 weirdo Yankee Doodle American? Is that strange? Is that a weird 732 00:43:35,070 --> 00:43:35,520 answer? 733 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,950 Well, I thought the answer was 734 00:43:39,630 --> 00:43:42,780 I thought if I was held captive, that's the answer. I would 735 00:43:42,780 --> 00:43:43,650 probably give. 736 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,370 Well, why wouldn't I miss? I don't like the answer. I didn't 737 00:43:47,370 --> 00:43:50,130 like the way he handled that question. I think throwing it 738 00:43:50,130 --> 00:43:55,950 back at Brian Williams, which he did, too. What would you mean? I 739 00:43:55,950 --> 00:44:00,960 mean, I found the whole thing to be I don't know it just bothered 740 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,850 me somewhat condescending maybe? 741 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,250 Well, I don't think it was that then he goes on says I missed I 742 00:44:05,250 --> 00:44:07,470 did any that goes on back. We didn't I didn't clip the whole 743 00:44:07,470 --> 00:44:10,020 damn thing. But he goes on to say that he would miss his 744 00:44:10,020 --> 00:44:14,160 family again. leaves out the girlfriend. Yeah. Which I find 745 00:44:14,190 --> 00:44:14,910 peculiar. I 746 00:44:14,910 --> 00:44:18,510 mean, if he maybe had a hard time dumping or anyways, I'm 747 00:44:19,020 --> 00:44:20,340 happy I got maybe this 748 00:44:20,340 --> 00:44:21,270 is the whole reason. 749 00:44:23,730 --> 00:44:25,680 I was afraid to dump my girlfriend. You know, she's a 750 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:26,340 psycho. 751 00:44:27,300 --> 00:44:30,690 Psycho girlfriend. I finally got out from under. Yeah, that's 752 00:44:30,690 --> 00:44:35,820 always possible. Long Shot. Long Shot. So the last clip I have is 753 00:44:35,820 --> 00:44:38,670 Snowden wants to come home. And there's a little teaser at the 754 00:44:38,670 --> 00:44:41,250 end, which I find these things to be annoying. If I could 755 00:44:41,250 --> 00:44:43,380 go anywhere in the world that place would be home. 756 00:44:43,860 --> 00:44:48,510 Oh, and when we continue an American and Russia Edward 757 00:44:48,510 --> 00:44:53,130 Snowden talks about what his life is like now in exile, and 758 00:44:53,130 --> 00:44:54,870 how he feels about coming home. 759 00:44:55,410 --> 00:45:01,530 I had one other little thing here. which was about the 760 00:45:01,530 --> 00:45:08,970 process that he says he went through to bring up these gross 761 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:15,330 overreaches to his superiors inside the inside the agency 762 00:45:15,330 --> 00:45:16,320 inside the system 763 00:45:16,739 --> 00:45:19,829 that I've called on Congress to write a letter to the NSA to 764 00:45:19,829 --> 00:45:23,129 verify that they do write to the Office of General Counsel and 765 00:45:23,129 --> 00:45:30,269 say, Did Mr. Snowden ever communicate any concerns about 766 00:45:30,269 --> 00:45:32,609 the NSA is interpretation of its legal authorities? 767 00:45:33,330 --> 00:45:36,240 Now about that last point there about the paper trail that 768 00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:41,640 Snowden says exists within the NSA. So far, NBC News has 769 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,600 learned from multiple sources that Snowden did indeed send at 770 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,740 least one email to the General Counsel's Office, raising policy 771 00:45:49,740 --> 00:45:53,580 and legal questions, we have filed a request under the 772 00:45:53,580 --> 00:45:56,820 Freedom of Information Act to look for any other records. 773 00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,180 And I would love to see the one that he filed. But I think 774 00:46:00,180 --> 00:46:03,690 that's not to be underestimated. He did bring this up. And he did 775 00:46:03,690 --> 00:46:06,570 go through a procedure. And the procedure for the 776 00:46:06,570 --> 00:46:09,810 whistleblowers, that the President put in place was not 777 00:46:09,810 --> 00:46:13,440 actually active when he tried to do this. We already discussed 778 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,990 that on the show. I didn't go into effect. 779 00:46:17,250 --> 00:46:20,880 Whistleblowers in these in this situation, or other situations 780 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:26,550 had been ruined, is not a thing. And so any disingenuous jerk off 781 00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:30,450 and I would put a lot of these characters who come on TV that 782 00:46:30,450 --> 00:46:33,120 said, Well, he should have gone through channels, he should have 783 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,980 done this, he should have done that. All you have to do is do a 784 00:46:34,980 --> 00:46:37,080 little research and found that get people who tried to go 785 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:41,010 through channels, literally had their lives ruined by these 786 00:46:41,010 --> 00:46:45,030 agencies led by the FBI, mostly. And it's ridiculous. And so 787 00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:49,830 anyone who says that is is a is a phoney, and I would put the 788 00:46:49,830 --> 00:46:53,430 number of people in that camp, including Hayden, who I think 789 00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:57,480 has said it right. And I think McCain and others there were 790 00:46:57,510 --> 00:47:01,980 this was just a ridiculous group of people. And they should be, 791 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:03,720 you know, called out on it. 792 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:10,200 I'm summarising and I have two external clips. To this. This 793 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:15,360 was obviously set up. The timing of it is not coincidental. Um, 794 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,110 there's a lot of stuff going on, in fact, very annoying, I would 795 00:47:19,110 --> 00:47:25,680 presume to NBC is this is the Roger Dodger shooting, which 796 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,290 really was the news over the weekend, when they of course 797 00:47:28,290 --> 00:47:32,190 want all the focus attend all the attention focused on this 798 00:47:32,190 --> 00:47:38,280 interview, which is supposed to be the the big one. So the 799 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:43,980 timing is not coincidental with the year of Snowdens. Support 800 00:47:43,980 --> 00:47:49,260 suppose that asylum ending and on the Today Show, not typically 801 00:47:49,260 --> 00:47:53,340 a show where the Secretary of State would appear? He appears, 802 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:59,340 and on a on a fine link from his from, I guess, from his palace, 803 00:47:59,730 --> 00:48:05,310 and he is there to promote the interview. And the question is 804 00:48:05,340 --> 00:48:09,000 very simple. Where Edward Snowden says, Yeah, of course, 805 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,210 I'd like to come home. But you know, I don't want to be thrown 806 00:48:12,210 --> 00:48:16,860 in the brig and never heard from again. Which, by the way, you 807 00:48:16,860 --> 00:48:20,940 know, there's something to be said for, you know, if you 808 00:48:20,940 --> 00:48:24,960 really, if he's willing to die for everything he's done, he's 809 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,290 not. You know, and I'm saying it's like, 810 00:48:29,340 --> 00:48:32,580 well, if he has a choice, and he doesn't have to, well, I'm 811 00:48:32,580 --> 00:48:34,530 Woody, but maniac would do that. 812 00:48:34,890 --> 00:48:38,730 Well, but you know, what, what wouldn't I miss? I mean, anyway, 813 00:48:38,730 --> 00:48:40,860 here's the carry helping with the promotion of the show, 814 00:48:40,890 --> 00:48:46,170 when people ask, why are you in Russia? I say, please ask the 815 00:48:46,170 --> 00:48:47,070 State Department. 816 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,610 Well, Mr. Secretary, what about it? Does he have a point? He's 817 00:48:50,610 --> 00:48:53,490 basically saying, but for the US State Department, revoking his 818 00:48:53,490 --> 00:48:55,680 passport, he wouldn't be in Russia at all. 819 00:48:55,950 --> 00:48:59,430 Well, for supposedly smart guy. That's a pretty dumb answer, 820 00:49:00,030 --> 00:49:00,720 frankly. 821 00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:05,190 Yeah, hello, pot kettle calling. 822 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,400 We're gonna get into the who he was what he was, let me just 823 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:08,790 say, I'm not 824 00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:11,670 gonna get into who he was what he was, which was not the 825 00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:14,910 question. No, he won't answer the question. But that was not 826 00:49:14,910 --> 00:49:18,810 the question whether he was CIA, NSA, a spy or not, which was 827 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,420 what everyone was talking about. That wasn't the question. 828 00:49:21,420 --> 00:49:22,800 Interestingly enough, Mr. Kara's 829 00:49:23,250 --> 00:49:26,310 if Mr. Snowden wants to come back to the United States today, 830 00:49:26,340 --> 00:49:28,050 we'll have him on a flight today. 831 00:49:28,110 --> 00:49:31,650 I think this is a setup. I think the setup is to bring him home. 832 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:38,400 And still basing it on our assessment are a theory that he 833 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,330 is a CIA asset. He will be brought home and he will go 834 00:49:42,330 --> 00:49:46,890 through some form of process. And we know that negotiation is 835 00:49:46,890 --> 00:49:50,250 taking place as we speak. There are lawyers who confirm this. 836 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:56,760 This is this is the logical conclusion to this entire issue. 837 00:49:57,090 --> 00:50:00,810 We'd be delighted for him to come back and he Come back and 838 00:50:00,810 --> 00:50:04,740 delighted. And that's what a patriot would do. Oh, Patriot 839 00:50:04,740 --> 00:50:05,130 would not 840 00:50:05,730 --> 00:50:09,360 carry, right? I said Kerry would know when you 841 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:10,290 throw your medals, 842 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,950 hey, and look for refuge in Russia or Cuba or some other 843 00:50:13,950 --> 00:50:18,060 country, a patriot would stand up in the United States and make 844 00:50:18,060 --> 00:50:19,800 his case to the American people. 845 00:50:20,490 --> 00:50:22,860 And I believe that's exactly what's going to happen. John, I 846 00:50:22,860 --> 00:50:23,610 believe that has 847 00:50:23,610 --> 00:50:26,640 to happen because of Kerry would get that actually may be 848 00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,150 interesting, because what Kerry said, right, there is not the 849 00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:33,390 way it would be handled under the Espionage Act, which is what 850 00:50:33,390 --> 00:50:36,900 Snowden is, exactly. No one says no, at the end of the Espionage 851 00:50:36,900 --> 00:50:40,590 Act as a secret trial, I don't get to make my case that exactly 852 00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,860 exact now. So what what just happened there, which is almost 853 00:50:43,860 --> 00:50:47,700 kind of a legalistic thing, if Carrie, they could use that 854 00:50:47,700 --> 00:50:50,460 maybe the leverage they need Carrie, maybe setting this up 855 00:50:50,460 --> 00:50:51,810 for that possibility? I 856 00:50:51,810 --> 00:50:54,570 believe that is what's happening and make his case to the 857 00:50:54,570 --> 00:50:58,350 American people. But he's refused to do that to this day, 858 00:50:58,410 --> 00:51:04,140 at least. The fact is that, you know, he'd come home, but he's a 859 00:51:04,140 --> 00:51:07,530 fugitive from justice, which is why he's not being permitted to 860 00:51:07,530 --> 00:51:10,770 fly around the world. It's that simple. Hadn't he knows it. 861 00:51:10,830 --> 00:51:14,580 Have you softened your stance at all with regard to his alleged 862 00:51:14,580 --> 00:51:18,180 conduct here? I noticed earlier this year, you said that there 863 00:51:18,180 --> 00:51:21,660 were disclosures about the NSA made because of Snowden, that 864 00:51:21,690 --> 00:51:26,010 you yourself, were not aware of that constituted NSA overreach, 865 00:51:26,010 --> 00:51:27,990 does that change the calculus at all for you? 866 00:51:30,510 --> 00:51:33,960 The calculus, there it is in calculus, eight, that word 867 00:51:33,990 --> 00:51:37,680 pay up to the justice system, let him come back and make his 868 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:38,250 case 869 00:51:38,310 --> 00:51:41,550 again, make his case. The fact is that, 870 00:51:42,750 --> 00:51:47,520 you know, he should, if he cares so much about America, and he 871 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,310 believes in America, he should trust in the American system of 872 00:51:50,310 --> 00:51:54,960 justice, but to be hiding in Russia and authoritarian 873 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,170 country, and to have just admitted that he was really 874 00:51:58,170 --> 00:52:02,010 trying to get to Cuba. I mean, what does that tell you? Really, 875 00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:06,630 I think he's confused. I think it's very sad. But this is a man 876 00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:11,850 who has done great damage to his country violated his oath, which 877 00:52:11,850 --> 00:52:15,660 he took when he became an employee. And yes, in fact, 878 00:52:15,780 --> 00:52:19,320 stole an enormous amount of information and released it to 879 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,690 the public, to the detriment of his country. 880 00:52:21,930 --> 00:52:26,940 So to me, it appears the script is playing out, we're all fools 881 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,420 for just you know, oh, well, this is just so coincidental is 882 00:52:30,420 --> 00:52:33,150 Brian Williams has an interview is so simple, everything fits 883 00:52:33,150 --> 00:52:36,000 nicely, when I didn't even know that it was made. But you're 884 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,880 right. It was May when he went over there. Yeah, it's a year. 885 00:52:38,940 --> 00:52:41,400 All right. Now, there is one real issue we still have to 886 00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:47,610 cover. The CIA's asked for setting him up and and getting 887 00:52:47,610 --> 00:52:50,850 him to do all this. And of course, you know, I'm gonna have 888 00:52:50,850 --> 00:52:54,090 to think that, you know, Carrie, and all these guys, they all 889 00:52:54,090 --> 00:52:57,480 want to knock down the NSA because of the blackmail angle. 890 00:52:58,260 --> 00:53:01,500 And it's true, the NSA knows way too much can get to way too 891 00:53:01,500 --> 00:53:05,580 much. And we've just heard too many examples of what could be 892 00:53:05,580 --> 00:53:09,330 happening and what probably is happening, certainly as it 893 00:53:09,330 --> 00:53:13,410 pertains to politicians and the Cabinet and the President and 894 00:53:13,410 --> 00:53:19,290 Congress. So let's get some information from the CIA. Here's 895 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:24,330 the well, he says he's ex CIA, Bob Baer. And of course, they're 896 00:53:24,330 --> 00:53:29,100 never ex CIA. Trust me, Bob bear in particular. Yes, he is. You 897 00:53:29,100 --> 00:53:31,980 know, you get on the pundit payroll. It's project pundit, it 898 00:53:31,980 --> 00:53:35,700 exists. And these guys, they get books written for him and they 899 00:53:35,700 --> 00:53:39,960 get talking points and they get on all the shows. And Bob, he's 900 00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,230 having a hard time but he is going to definitely discredit 901 00:53:43,230 --> 00:53:47,730 Snowden CIA angle, which is what the big promotion was of this 902 00:53:47,730 --> 00:53:49,680 interview. I'm a CIA spy 903 00:53:49,710 --> 00:53:51,480 Edward Snowden was a spy. That's 904 00:53:52,830 --> 00:53:58,320 I love Carol. Hold on a second. I just realised something. I 905 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,570 gotta I gotta play this combo. Hold on. 906 00:54:00,900 --> 00:54:04,590 Edward Snowden was a spy. Oreos are just as addictive as 907 00:54:04,590 --> 00:54:05,340 cocaine. 908 00:54:09,090 --> 00:54:11,850 Oreos and justice dig addictive as cocaine and 909 00:54:11,850 --> 00:54:15,480 what Snowden was a spy. That's what he told NBC. The man who 910 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,690 leaked the 1000 NSA documents says he was not a low level 911 00:54:18,690 --> 00:54:23,730 systems administrator but a CIA spy. Wow. Now for some 912 00:54:23,730 --> 00:54:26,550 perspective. We're seeing a national security analyst and a 913 00:54:26,550 --> 00:54:31,530 former CIA operative. Thanks. So So what's Snowden really a spy? 914 00:54:32,100 --> 00:54:35,730 No. I mean, I wonder about his credibility. Now. When he was in 915 00:54:35,730 --> 00:54:39,360 Geneva. He was a systems administrator. The CIA doesn't 916 00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,900 take contractors and turn them into spies. Yes, he had some 917 00:54:42,900 --> 00:54:47,130 sort of cover there. Yes, he had a name he used in correspondence 918 00:54:47,130 --> 00:54:50,670 when they when he communicated with Langley, but he wasn't a 919 00:54:50,670 --> 00:54:51,300 spy and 920 00:54:53,790 --> 00:54:55,650 when he communicated with Langley, 921 00:54:55,770 --> 00:55:00,450 yeah, everybody you know when I communicate with Langley I have 922 00:55:00,450 --> 00:55:01,290 a secret name. 923 00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:04,470 Langley. 924 00:55:05,580 --> 00:55:10,110 Fantastic. That's great. Hold on a second. I got to communicate 925 00:55:10,110 --> 00:55:11,910 with Langley. Okay, I'm done. The 926 00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:14,940 National Security Agency doesn't have spies overseas, so I have 927 00:55:14,940 --> 00:55:17,160 no idea what he's talking about. Yeah. 928 00:55:17,310 --> 00:55:19,590 I mean, that's a pretty blanket statement. Clearly the 929 00:55:19,590 --> 00:55:22,680 documents that he hacked from the National Security Agency are 930 00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:27,420 legitimate, but his his personal credibility. I wonder about what 931 00:55:27,420 --> 00:55:27,690 well, you 932 00:55:27,690 --> 00:55:29,820 know, you know what Snowden says? He says the government is 933 00:55:29,820 --> 00:55:33,630 trying to discredit him by downplaying his true position. 934 00:55:33,900 --> 00:55:37,590 Americans are split on stone. So why why would he lie about such 935 00:55:37,590 --> 00:55:41,520 a thing? And if he were somewhat of a spy, wouldn't that more 936 00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,790 easily explain how he had access to all of those records? All of 937 00:55:44,790 --> 00:55:45,750 those papers? 938 00:55:45,900 --> 00:55:49,320 No, it's just the National Security Agency is sloppy and 939 00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:50,130 compartmented. 940 00:55:52,140 --> 00:55:54,120 Don't you love it? Give him the needle 941 00:55:54,660 --> 00:55:57,930 else and he was able to get through those firewalls. Get 942 00:55:57,930 --> 00:56:01,230 into them and read them. He and I are very good at hacking. But 943 00:56:01,230 --> 00:56:04,830 he was a trust me Carol. He was not a spy. I mean, I just I 944 00:56:04,830 --> 00:56:08,280 spent too long in this profession. It's not possible in 945 00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,910 any sense. In everything I've heard he's a systems 946 00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:12,900 administrator as 947 00:56:12,930 --> 00:56:16,650 nonsense was just beside the point it's obviously he scolding 948 00:56:16,650 --> 00:56:20,400 Snowden to shut up exactly that's notice knows what he's 949 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,880 doing stone is bringing this up because it's Hey, you guys were 950 00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:28,560 supposed to get me back six months ago. Yeah. Where is my 951 00:56:28,590 --> 00:56:31,620 where's my when you recover? I forgot what it's called. But 952 00:56:31,950 --> 00:56:35,220 when you when you extra, where's my extraction team. And 953 00:56:35,250 --> 00:56:38,430 again, the National Security Agency does not have spies 954 00:56:38,430 --> 00:56:41,760 overseas. It's got people that because their lane monitor 955 00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,460 computers and the rest of it that sit in a vault, the little 956 00:56:44,460 --> 00:56:44,880 weeny 957 00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,360 boys is what they are a little geeky boy sitting in a vault, 958 00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:51,180 they get to know they don't know they have no spy. They got no, 959 00:56:51,420 --> 00:56:55,230 you know, craft spy craft. They got none of that this gives it a 960 00:56:55,230 --> 00:56:56,670 weenie boys with the computers. 961 00:56:56,970 --> 00:57:01,110 But I would hardly call out us being a spy. I don't like it's 962 00:57:01,110 --> 00:57:05,070 not really like a spy and we kill people. We drone people 963 00:57:05,070 --> 00:57:06,330 like the CIA 964 00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:09,090 National Security Agency snooping into my phone and 965 00:57:09,090 --> 00:57:13,380 keeping databases on. Oh really, you don't like it? Necessary? 966 00:57:13,710 --> 00:57:17,670 It's subject to abuse and I fully agree with that. But on 967 00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:22,470 the other hand fleeing to Russia in my terms it's an enemy the 968 00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:24,900 United States whether we like it or not look now listen to this 969 00:57:24,900 --> 00:57:27,240 don't forget Crimea. Let's don't forget the Ukraine. 970 00:57:27,570 --> 00:57:32,940 Excuse me. Snowden did all this before Crimea and Ukraine was 971 00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,390 was in the news and an issue is all before that. 972 00:57:36,420 --> 00:57:39,540 They are not our friends. He went to the other side and that 973 00:57:39,540 --> 00:57:43,230 is a real problem for especially people like me that worked in 974 00:57:43,230 --> 00:57:43,920 the Cold War. 975 00:57:46,860 --> 00:57:49,620 That's great. That's the Clip of the Day give it really 976 00:57:49,650 --> 00:57:56,550 Oh, that's very kind. Thank you very much. And I have to say 977 00:57:56,580 --> 00:57:58,740 I should keep an eye out for that every time I've seen Bob 978 00:57:58,740 --> 00:58:02,100 Barr so just bear he's five always thought he was hilarious. 979 00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,650 Just always add him he's always worked 980 00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:09,030 well this is the we went too far on this. I think I think he's 981 00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:12,120 gonna get a memo on that one blew it he blew it he blew and I 982 00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:17,400 must say that I have become a weird fan of Carol on CNN. 983 00:58:18,570 --> 00:58:25,830 Seriously, she she comes across as something has changed also 984 00:58:25,830 --> 00:58:30,750 with CNN there's I see new faces. I see a big push. They 985 00:58:30,750 --> 00:58:34,470 finally someone I guess Zucker finally is caught on like hey, 986 00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,920 it's you get more people interested in watching when you 987 00:58:38,250 --> 00:58:43,620 go against the General Government to policy and and you 988 00:58:43,620 --> 00:58:46,350 hop on board with like the VA thing. They're all over that. 989 00:58:47,490 --> 00:58:50,070 They've given Carol some kind of free rein and actually when we 990 00:58:50,070 --> 00:58:55,890 talk more about the Roger Dodger shooting the the she she has 991 00:58:55,890 --> 00:58:59,220 some interesting conversations. I just I've become a we're a fan 992 00:58:59,220 --> 00:59:03,480 in a weird way. And CNN, of course, you know, brings up bile 993 00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:08,460 in my throat, typically. But she has something very weird. That 994 00:59:08,460 --> 00:59:09,630 is, something's going on. It's 995 00:59:09,630 --> 00:59:12,780 changed. Maybe spots on the new year now are Carol watcher. 996 00:59:13,980 --> 00:59:17,520 Happy to be Hey, thank you for your courage, John. And I'd like 997 00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,130 to say in the morning to you John C. Dvorak. 998 00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:24,960 Well, in the morning to you, Adam C. Curry. Yay. I want to 999 00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:26,790 also say in the morning all the ships and sea boots in the 1000 00:59:26,790 --> 00:59:29,550 ground feet in the air subs in the water, and also the Dames 1001 00:59:29,550 --> 00:59:30,600 and the Knights out there. 1002 00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:32,760 Yes. And in the morning to everyone in the chat room. No 1003 00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,120 agenda stream.com no agenda, chat. dotnet in the morning to 1004 00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:41,400 our artists. Martin JJ came in again with the best artwork. We 1005 00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:45,960 need more help on this. We need diversity not that I don't feel 1006 00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:51,120 good about Martin J. J's work, but where's the where's the 1007 00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,210 diversity? where's the where's the work? 1008 00:59:54,270 --> 00:59:57,750 I want to remind people about I probably shouldn't do this every 1009 00:59:57,750 --> 01:00:01,560 time but I via maybe I do one some month. But I want to remind 1010 01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:06,270 the artists out there that Martin J. J goes way back. He 1011 01:00:06,270 --> 01:00:10,050 was one of the submitters that used to say, month after month, 1012 01:00:10,050 --> 01:00:15,510 year after year, he would submit crap until he got the hang of it 1013 01:00:15,510 --> 01:00:18,810 now he just everything is gold. And that's the way is done. 1014 01:00:18,810 --> 01:00:20,970 That's the way all things are achieved is through 1015 01:00:21,450 --> 01:00:24,870 perseverance, perseverance and attempts and you just throw it, 1016 01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:26,370 you know, you say, done, I'm gonna try this, let me try that. 1017 01:00:26,370 --> 01:00:29,220 And it also changes the way your brain works, and then you just 1018 01:00:29,220 --> 01:00:32,430 get good. And that's what he's done. He's about almost a great 1019 01:00:32,430 --> 01:00:34,290 example of the way the mind works. 1020 01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,870 And it's one of the hardest things to do, by the way, is 1021 01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:38,490 really one of the hardest things to do. 1022 01:00:38,670 --> 01:00:43,830 Art is very difficult. This is Yeah. I mean, in the early days, 1023 01:00:43,830 --> 01:00:47,670 when we were just getting started with the spot art, you 1024 01:00:47,670 --> 01:00:49,680 know, it's just a couple of issues the picture of the two of 1025 01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,560 us, which we now reject all pictures of either or both of 1026 01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:56,250 us. And some stupid seen and it was just it was just kind of 1027 01:00:56,250 --> 01:01:00,330 casual. I was in it was interesting for what it was. But 1028 01:01:00,330 --> 01:01:04,680 then we started getting creative input in the jar generator help 1029 01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,770 to Yeah, and then next thing you know, we actually have, you 1030 01:01:07,770 --> 01:01:11,250 know, a lot of submissions if you're entertaining itself in 1031 01:01:11,250 --> 01:01:14,910 itself. I want to thank a few executive and Associate 1032 01:01:14,910 --> 01:01:18,360 Executive producers. Actually, we both want to thank them. 1033 01:01:18,690 --> 01:01:22,740 There's only three because we had a holiday I want to mention 1034 01:01:22,740 --> 01:01:25,260 this happens when there's a holiday week we have lousy. 1035 01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:30,240 Here's the exam, I pick up the checks from the post office on 1036 01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:38,040 Wednesday. Generally speaking, the we get between 10 and 20 1037 01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:43,110 checks of all sorts $11 $5 $500 And 1038 01:01:43,110 --> 01:01:45,510 a lot of these are automatic bank checks that 1039 01:01:46,110 --> 01:01:48,450 are automatic bank checks, we usually get maybe one or two 1040 01:01:48,450 --> 01:01:54,060 personalised checks that are sent in by hand and it's like I 1041 01:01:54,060 --> 01:01:57,930 said between 1020 Maybe 30 sometimes because some come in a 1042 01:01:57,930 --> 01:02:02,490 big bunch. I've never actually gone to the especially on a long 1043 01:02:02,490 --> 01:02:04,710 we had a lot you know it's from the from the Sunday show to the 1044 01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:08,100 Thursday shows the long part of the week. I've never gone to the 1045 01:02:08,100 --> 01:02:12,870 bank and opened the box and found two checks. Now that was 1046 01:02:12,900 --> 01:02:15,480 to me is part of the holiday problem. 1047 01:02:15,510 --> 01:02:18,570 And you know, we have a big religious holiday coming up, 1048 01:02:19,020 --> 01:02:26,430 which is Ascension Day. Well, ascension, is it. Yeah, it's a 1049 01:02:26,430 --> 01:02:28,980 big European holiday. religious holiday. 1050 01:02:29,190 --> 01:02:32,400 Well, we'll have that'd be another bad week. Yeah, but I've 1051 01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,590 never seen that. And I think it's I don't know if anyone that 1052 01:02:34,590 --> 01:02:37,200 post office even work this week, I think they took a week off 1053 01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:41,100 with so we have three Associate Executive or two executive 1054 01:02:41,100 --> 01:02:43,230 producers and one Associate Executive Producer. And that's 1055 01:02:43,230 --> 01:02:45,600 what we got. Just Not that I'm complaining. I'm just 1056 01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,210 complaining about the holidays that people have to realise that 1057 01:02:48,210 --> 01:02:51,030 you have opportunities here to to get your name mentioned 1058 01:02:51,030 --> 01:02:55,140 easier. Robert rock in Anchorage, Alaska, and I thought 1059 01:02:55,140 --> 01:02:58,200 he had a note in here. Now I'm gonna have to go to the email 1060 01:02:58,200 --> 01:02:59,820 because I'm not going to pass this one up. 1061 01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:05,220 Rock rock, rock don't call. Maybe I do recall. 1062 01:03:07,410 --> 01:03:15,360 Or Robert rock, a pal, William low rock via Pay Pal. I don't 1063 01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:16,350 see a rock. 1064 01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,150 Hold on a second. I can take a look. 1065 01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:27,030 The AMA says email it would be under Nice. Yeah, he uses the 1066 01:03:27,030 --> 01:03:31,260 member at pay pal.com away comes through. Oh, here it is Robert 1067 01:03:31,260 --> 01:03:32,160 Joseph rock 1068 01:03:36,450 --> 01:03:39,840 at gmail.john@curry.com everybody. How's that working 1069 01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:41,250 out? Are people sending an email? 1070 01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:48,570 No, I got nothing. Nobody I got finally, Sarah sent me an email 1071 01:03:48,570 --> 01:03:52,290 saying you know you don't get any love. Adam gets all the good 1072 01:03:52,290 --> 01:03:54,600 email that he gets to read. You get nothing and so she's now 1073 01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:56,100 sending me a cool stuff. 1074 01:03:56,370 --> 01:04:00,630 Oh, is that Sarah are saying oh, so I didn't reply to one of her 1075 01:04:00,630 --> 01:04:03,450 emails and immediately she's peeved and emailing you. Okay, I 1076 01:04:03,450 --> 01:04:04,980 get it. I get it. 1077 01:04:05,700 --> 01:04:08,940 Anyway, no, I got no note from him under his Gmail address or 1078 01:04:08,940 --> 01:04:14,040 anything else. But anyway, Robert rock sent in $529.14 from 1079 01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:18,720 Anchorage, Alaska, where all the money is. So we'll hear from him 1080 01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:22,650 later. I'm sure it's meanwhile Servette of Luke Vander helm 1081 01:04:22,980 --> 01:04:26,340 317 30, which is what it amounted to, after he sent in a 1082 01:04:26,340 --> 01:04:27,540 bank transfer 1083 01:04:27,570 --> 01:04:32,130 and did this come through. He's always complaining about the the 1084 01:04:32,130 --> 01:04:35,190 SWIFT system and he wants us to use the European system, which 1085 01:04:35,190 --> 01:04:39,570 we can't, we can't know. But it's very nice of him to support 1086 01:04:39,570 --> 01:04:40,680 the programme. He did 1087 01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:45,840 that and 317 30 and he has just random messages that we do a 1088 01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:49,530 great job and he didn't have anything special to say. John 1089 01:04:49,530 --> 01:04:52,860 Carlson Tonight. $20.22 from Brookings, South Dakota says 1090 01:04:52,860 --> 01:04:54,840 after listening to show for nearly five years I'm honestly 1091 01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,090 impressed. There are a few people I can talk to more than 1092 01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,120 for more than a half hour straight and I can listen to You 1093 01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,660 guys for at least two and a half. So with SO SO worth my 1094 01:05:03,660 --> 01:05:06,330 time I've successfully hit several friends and co workers 1095 01:05:06,330 --> 01:05:08,970 in the mouth I need to give my gorgeous girlfriend a shout out 1096 01:05:08,970 --> 01:05:11,820 and request some job karma. Because if anyone deserves it 1097 01:05:11,820 --> 01:05:15,720 she is the one from South Dakota to Tampa, Florida and moved to 1098 01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:19,560 North Dakota for the jobs to Tampa Florida for and although 1099 01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:23,910 there's a lot of nice clubs in Tampa, for and after selling all 1100 01:05:23,910 --> 01:05:26,970 of our crap and moving out of the tundra. Seeing her land and 1101 01:05:26,970 --> 01:05:29,550 awesome job will be the icing on the cake. Keep up the great 1102 01:05:29,550 --> 01:05:32,700 work. Thank you for your courage. Oh, all right. That 1103 01:05:32,700 --> 01:05:35,070 sorry that we conclude our executive producer. 1104 01:05:35,460 --> 01:05:38,790 This is I need to give her jobs karma. Yes. I want to make sure 1105 01:05:38,790 --> 01:05:44,340 I do this jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. 1106 01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:47,820 You've got karma? 1107 01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:58,950 Oh, I do have a nice little a PR note. From Robert Jenkins, CEO 1108 01:05:58,950 --> 01:06:02,640 of cloud sigma. I think he may be Sir Robert, I'm not sure. 1109 01:06:03,780 --> 01:06:06,480 Adam good news. I've set up dedicated BitTorrent Sync 1110 01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:10,020 servers in our clouds as well as my desktop computer in our Sofia 1111 01:06:10,020 --> 01:06:13,080 office, that will be Bulgaria. I'm syncing the latest show 1112 01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:16,470 folder, the archive and the jmz archive folders as well. I've 1113 01:06:16,470 --> 01:06:19,650 set up servers in San Jose, California, Ashburn, Virginia, 1114 01:06:19,710 --> 01:06:23,550 Zurich, Switzerland, and Sofia, Bulgaria. With the exception of 1115 01:06:23,550 --> 01:06:28,920 Sofia, they also have multiple 10 Giga floppy pipes with no 1116 01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,650 traffic shaping, so they can stream and multiple gigabit per 1117 01:06:31,650 --> 01:06:35,070 second speeds, no problem, they will run 24/7 and have unlimited 1118 01:06:35,070 --> 01:06:37,170 bandwidth. I hope this helps with faster distribution to the 1119 01:06:37,170 --> 01:06:40,020 listeners. Also, I'll add nodes in Miami and Hawaii in the next 1120 01:06:40,020 --> 01:06:42,870 couple of months. This is great. So this is the BitTorrent Sync, 1121 01:06:43,470 --> 01:06:46,230 which is still in beta. And you know, there's pluses and minuses 1122 01:06:46,230 --> 01:06:49,830 some it doesn't work for some people for some reason. Although 1123 01:06:49,830 --> 01:06:54,840 I have heard if you turn on the the search for search the HFT 1124 01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,750 network in the preferences that that appears to work much 1125 01:06:57,750 --> 01:07:01,710 better. But to have these dedicated servers is a huge 1126 01:07:01,710 --> 01:07:07,980 help. And I believe it's still this kind of the future of money 1127 01:07:07,980 --> 01:07:13,290 media distribution, where your audience is participating in the 1128 01:07:13,290 --> 01:07:16,860 distribution of the programme. I love the whole concept. 1129 01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,130 Yeah, yeah, I like the idea. 1130 01:07:22,410 --> 01:07:25,140 It's not a full it's not a full on solution. But yeah, 1131 01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:28,830 I believe that the BitTorrent operation in general is under 1132 01:07:28,830 --> 01:07:33,060 attack by the government. Uh huh. Because it's so it is it's 1133 01:07:33,060 --> 01:07:39,150 so effective the way you describe it. It just seems to be 1134 01:07:39,180 --> 01:07:41,700 not part of the way things are going well, 1135 01:07:41,700 --> 01:07:46,410 there is, of course, a flaw there is a central ping server 1136 01:07:46,410 --> 01:07:50,190 or tracker or something that the BitTorrent guys control. And so, 1137 01:07:50,250 --> 01:07:52,920 you know, even though it's all and we don't need security on 1138 01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,680 these files, you know, we just need them to be you know, we 1139 01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:58,830 need the peer to peer function to work. There's another 1140 01:07:59,940 --> 01:08:03,750 application, we actually don't want security on the files. We 1141 01:08:03,750 --> 01:08:05,310 want these files to be freely traded. 1142 01:08:05,430 --> 01:08:08,010 Yeah, but it's more that you're not you're you're getting the 1143 01:08:08,010 --> 01:08:11,580 actual file and no, yeah, you do need that we need a proof of 1144 01:08:11,580 --> 01:08:16,260 like, some kind of hashing stuff, whatever. The example, 1145 01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:19,230 there is something you know, yeah. So of course, that could 1146 01:08:19,230 --> 01:08:23,370 be an issue. There's one of another one of our producers, 1147 01:08:23,850 --> 01:08:27,240 Joe Jones, that Joseph Jones is working on some other concepts. 1148 01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:30,000 And this is something called sync thing, which is now coming 1149 01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,570 out, which is completely open source. Not quite the same as 1150 01:08:33,570 --> 01:08:36,360 BitTorrent Sync, but there's things are evolving, and I'm 1151 01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:37,800 very happy to see that and 1152 01:08:38,429 --> 01:08:39,719 thoughts on TrueCrypt. 1153 01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:46,800 Yeah, you know, it's weird. There's only really two ways it 1154 01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:54,780 can be. One is don't use it. Because it's it truly is 1155 01:08:54,780 --> 01:08:59,220 compromised. The other one is, don't use it, because we have to 1156 01:08:59,220 --> 01:09:01,260 tell you that because otherwise you'll get shot. 1157 01:09:02,250 --> 01:09:05,610 That's possible. That's the only time I've always been concerned 1158 01:09:05,610 --> 01:09:08,670 with TrueCrypt. That story for months, given the background so 1159 01:09:08,670 --> 01:09:11,250 well. TrueCrypt came out. TrueCrypt is one of the 1160 01:09:11,250 --> 01:09:14,550 encryption systems that a lot of people that personal computer 1161 01:09:14,550 --> 01:09:18,090 users use to encrypt files, encrypt disks, encrypt 1162 01:09:18,090 --> 01:09:22,980 something. And they have it's always been kind of a secretive 1163 01:09:22,980 --> 01:09:26,070 operation. It used to be called anyway, say they've come out and 1164 01:09:26,070 --> 01:09:28,200 said that we've been compromised. We're not we're 1165 01:09:28,230 --> 01:09:31,950 turning off the whole process. We're out of here. So they shut 1166 01:09:31,950 --> 01:09:36,480 it down. The original version of this used to be called Dr. 1167 01:09:36,480 --> 01:09:40,800 Crypt. And it was a I guess, 10 or 15 years ago when they 1168 01:09:40,830 --> 01:09:45,210 switched it to true crypt. And I've always been kind of 1169 01:09:45,210 --> 01:09:48,510 suspicious because Dr. Crypt I thought was a better product. 1170 01:09:48,750 --> 01:09:52,560 And it also incorporated a couple of the Swiss banking 1171 01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:58,380 encryption systems that the US was telling people not to use, 1172 01:09:59,550 --> 01:10:01,410 which I I always thought it was absolute. Yeah, 1173 01:10:01,410 --> 01:10:02,040 that's weird. 1174 01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:07,050 They don't use that. And they took that out, although some a 1175 01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:10,860 JC says that it's still in the source code and you can find a 1176 01:10:10,860 --> 01:10:11,730 way to turn it on. And 1177 01:10:11,730 --> 01:10:18,810 there is a there is a fork on, I think maybe Debian that is still 1178 01:10:18,810 --> 01:10:25,590 out there. There's a couple of forks, but I don't know. You 1179 01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:29,730 know, there's, there's the famous was the Exedy. cartoon. 1180 01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:35,190 It was what it is the not Exedy you know, the little tech 1181 01:10:35,190 --> 01:10:41,040 cartoons? No. I was like, two guys, two geeks. And I got we 1182 01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:44,760 got to Krypton, this, you know, they can't decrypt it with that 1183 01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:48,930 set up a whole multi million dollar cluster to decode my 1184 01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:55,230 494,096 at RSA encryption, voila. And then the next frame 1185 01:10:55,230 --> 01:10:57,900 is Yeah, or they could use a $5 wrench to keep hitting you on 1186 01:10:57,900 --> 01:11:01,140 the head until you finally give up the password. Which is 1187 01:11:01,530 --> 01:11:03,870 pretty, pretty telling right there. 1188 01:11:03,870 --> 01:11:07,260 That's really the Yeah, well, I mean, most of the time, they the 1189 01:11:07,260 --> 01:11:09,600 way they, I mean, they've ever makes a big deal about the 1190 01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:13,020 encryption. But if you can, if somebody can plant a key logger, 1191 01:11:13,410 --> 01:11:17,940 on your machine, there's so many ways to get your, your toast and 1192 01:11:18,030 --> 01:11:20,700 key the there was a company out of New Zealand, which is 1193 01:11:20,700 --> 01:11:25,170 which is also there was an article about that recently that 1194 01:11:25,170 --> 01:11:32,490 discussed the chips in certainly in the Macintosh products. And 1195 01:11:32,490 --> 01:11:37,110 this was when the the GCHQ came to destroy the computers that 1196 01:11:37,110 --> 01:11:41,400 had the Snowden information at The Guardian. And but there was 1197 01:11:41,430 --> 01:11:43,710 there was a whole article about the specific the keyboard 1198 01:11:43,710 --> 01:11:46,500 controller specifically, which also had to be destroyed. And 1199 01:11:46,500 --> 01:11:48,810 they were very particular about that. And so of course, the 1200 01:11:48,810 --> 01:11:52,530 question is, oh, what's going on in the, you know, it's to have a 1201 01:11:52,530 --> 01:11:57,570 built in key logger. A huge buffer is not hard to do, of 1202 01:11:57,570 --> 01:11:59,340 course, just for keys. And 1203 01:11:59,580 --> 01:12:02,130 back, back in the days when compact was still in business, 1204 01:12:02,130 --> 01:12:05,010 there was a company in New Zealand that made compact 1205 01:12:05,010 --> 01:12:07,590 keyboards that were plug compatible and look just like 1206 01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:10,770 your keyboard right on your machines that will have a built 1207 01:12:10,770 --> 01:12:13,890 in key logger, right. And there's no way that anyone could 1208 01:12:13,890 --> 01:12:16,140 do anything about that. Because you're as you're typing away, 1209 01:12:16,140 --> 01:12:19,650 you're logging everything you do. And there's your passwords. 1210 01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:22,110 But anyway, it's hopeless. 1211 01:12:22,889 --> 01:12:27,809 XKCD that's what I was talking about those cartoons. Before we 1212 01:12:27,809 --> 01:12:30,539 forget, we do have a show on Sunday. So I'd like you to 1213 01:12:30,539 --> 01:12:33,989 remember this. And we've had this weird week we have the 1214 01:12:33,989 --> 01:12:37,709 weird holidays, of course, good Memorial Day, not weird, but 1215 01:12:37,709 --> 01:12:40,079 there, it makes it weird for us. And so we do need all the 1216 01:12:40,079 --> 01:12:45,389 support that we can get to vorak.org/a and of course, we 1217 01:12:45,389 --> 01:12:47,459 would always like you to continue to go out there and 1218 01:12:47,459 --> 01:12:53,039 propagate our formula. Our formula is this. We go out. We 1219 01:12:53,039 --> 01:12:54,029 hit people in the mouth 1220 01:13:12,030 --> 01:13:13,980 anyway, so that's it for today's show, I 1221 01:13:13,980 --> 01:13:16,620 think. For what for everything. Oh, no, we 1222 01:13:16,620 --> 01:13:17,520 got more show to do. 1223 01:13:19,050 --> 01:13:24,600 Yeah, I did a little bit of work. On Roger, Dodger. 1224 01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:29,580 No, yeah, I let you do that. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, 1225 01:13:29,610 --> 01:13:32,970 thank you. That doesn't sound condescending at all. Yeah, 1226 01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:36,570 yeah. I let you do that. Thanks. I'll let you do that. Thanks. 1227 01:13:36,630 --> 01:13:37,170 Appreciate it. So 1228 01:13:37,170 --> 01:13:39,510 where the show works you know you don't something I don't do 1229 01:13:39,510 --> 01:13:41,520 something and I know it's done 1230 01:13:41,550 --> 01:13:46,290 I know I'm just saying that because you nevermind so this is 1231 01:13:46,290 --> 01:13:51,540 a perfect storm obviously. Before it really is I mean this 1232 01:13:51,540 --> 01:13:54,210 is this is there's so many things to be discussed here. 1233 01:13:55,740 --> 01:13:59,040 You get a lot of notes on this because we call the area creepy 1234 01:14:00,180 --> 01:14:00,930 yeah but 1235 01:14:00,930 --> 01:14:06,030 only one person really who's from there respond and even he 1236 01:14:06,030 --> 01:14:10,410 don't think was actually from Santa Barbara. A lot of people 1237 01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:14,400 well yeah, we got a lot of notes about the area but the things I 1238 01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,130 don't want to do is I don't want to go too in depth about you 1239 01:14:17,130 --> 01:14:20,970 know, it being a hoax or not or all the above it makes no sense. 1240 01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:24,660 There's a couple things we need to focus on. And how it is 1241 01:14:24,660 --> 01:14:27,270 because immediately this was used for political game that of 1242 01:14:27,270 --> 01:14:31,140 course is to me that's really disgusting how that takes place. 1243 01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:37,410 That's really not okay. When that happens then it was done in 1244 01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:46,110 a number of ways. I think for last I will save the the yes all 1245 01:14:46,110 --> 01:14:49,830 women hashtag which there's a lot going on with that which is 1246 01:14:50,070 --> 01:14:53,610 very interesting also being used for for political gain, but 1247 01:14:53,610 --> 01:14:55,800 there's something very real happening there which I want to 1248 01:14:55,800 --> 01:15:00,120 talk about. But we have the war on crazy and this is the It's 1249 01:15:00,780 --> 01:15:06,870 very easy, people are very easy to compare autism and a spot on 1250 01:15:06,870 --> 01:15:09,840 the so called spectrum. And remember, this is all set up by 1251 01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:15,930 the DSM, which is really just a manual that allows a so called 1252 01:15:15,930 --> 01:15:20,550 doctors to pretty much prescribe drugs to kids. And I'm not a big 1253 01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:27,780 fan of the DSM, but also ash Berger, to basically compare 1254 01:15:27,780 --> 01:15:32,910 these symptoms as described to mental illness, this is a big is 1255 01:15:32,910 --> 01:15:37,950 a big problem. Because at any point, you or your spouse or 1256 01:15:37,950 --> 01:15:42,150 your friend or your parents or your children could be diagnosed 1257 01:15:42,150 --> 01:15:44,190 as being on the spectrum. There is 1258 01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:46,950 a you know, I think, from your perspective, Tourette's flags, 1259 01:15:46,950 --> 01:15:47,790 of course, it's honestly, 1260 01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:50,580 I don't think I don't know if it's actually literally on the 1261 01:15:50,580 --> 01:15:54,600 spectrum. But it is a huge symptom. It's a red flag for 1262 01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:57,930 being on the spectrum to have Tourette's, for sure. Spinning 1263 01:15:58,020 --> 01:16:04,560 but also cussing Tourette's and being intelligent. You're on the 1264 01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:05,040 spectrum. 1265 01:16:05,940 --> 01:16:06,990 Right? If you're too smart, 1266 01:16:07,019 --> 01:16:11,249 yeah. And so, of course, this fits into the we need to have 1267 01:16:11,759 --> 01:16:15,239 background checks, and we need to have doctors need to have the 1268 01:16:15,239 --> 01:16:20,879 ability to speak up and identify when something like this takes 1269 01:16:20,879 --> 01:16:27,269 place, very little speak or conversation about the three 1270 01:16:27,269 --> 01:16:31,439 Asian gentleman who were killed in their sleep, apparently, it 1271 01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:39,839 his roommates with a knife, and I and this does not fit the 1272 01:16:40,289 --> 01:16:47,219 scenario at all. He did not as a single point save I hate Asian 1273 01:16:47,339 --> 01:16:53,519 computer. The computer science students, which is what they 1274 01:16:53,519 --> 01:16:59,669 were and then to stab them to death in their sleep is very 1275 01:16:59,669 --> 01:17:02,399 strange. And there's no explanation also no analysis, of 1276 01:17:02,399 --> 01:17:09,419 course. Of that. there and what's what's interesting to me 1277 01:17:09,419 --> 01:17:13,289 is who the media is bringing to the forefront and who the media 1278 01:17:13,319 --> 01:17:17,159 is not bringing to the forefront. And there's, well 1279 01:17:17,159 --> 01:17:22,769 let's start with Don Lemon. Who This is CNN, of course, who 1280 01:17:22,769 --> 01:17:28,799 brings on someone who knows. Elliot Rodger from the past and 1281 01:17:28,799 --> 01:17:31,499 this is Lenny Shaw. 1282 01:17:31,980 --> 01:17:34,530 back now with more on the deadly University shooting in 1283 01:17:34,530 --> 01:17:38,430 California. I want to bring in a man who knew Elliot Rodger and 1284 01:17:38,430 --> 01:17:41,430 says he had his own concerns about him. His name is Lenny 1285 01:17:41,430 --> 01:17:44,550 Shaw. He's a former substitute teacher who knew Roger through 1286 01:17:44,550 --> 01:17:47,970 two of his high school friends, and he joins me now. Thank you 1287 01:17:47,970 --> 01:17:50,700 so much for joining us this evening here on CNN. How did you 1288 01:17:50,700 --> 01:17:53,880 come to know Elliot Rodger? Thank you for having me, Don? 1289 01:17:54,570 --> 01:17:58,860 Well, as I said, I met Elliot Rodger through a group of my 1290 01:17:59,370 --> 01:18:02,580 former students. So once they became adults, I stayed in 1291 01:18:02,580 --> 01:18:08,130 contact with them. And he he was not one of my students himself, 1292 01:18:08,130 --> 01:18:12,690 though. What was your first impression of him? Mr. Shaw? My 1293 01:18:12,690 --> 01:18:17,040 first impression of him is that he was very shy and awkward. 1294 01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:22,260 Also intelligent though. He was standoffish, he wouldn't really 1295 01:18:22,260 --> 01:18:26,880 talk to you. Unless you talk to him. Did you think he could be 1296 01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:30,060 dangerous at any point when you met him? Now when I first met 1297 01:18:30,060 --> 01:18:34,380 him, but and no one can conceive of anything like this happening? 1298 01:18:34,380 --> 01:18:39,780 But about three years ago, I did mention to some of these mutual 1299 01:18:39,780 --> 01:18:44,490 friends I said, If I ever had met anyone that fit the bill of 1300 01:18:44,490 --> 01:18:50,490 a potential mass murderer, it was Elliot Rodger. So it was it 1301 01:18:50,490 --> 01:18:54,810 was surreal when I got the news early Saturday morning, 1302 01:18:54,870 --> 01:18:59,040 so this is always lovely when I hear this okay, what are you 1303 01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:01,200 trying to prove? what point are you bringing in Yeah, 1304 01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:05,160 it's funny because I think I don't know what this is bullcrap 1305 01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:08,670 or not but I do know that I myself and I think you do it to 1306 01:19:08,670 --> 01:19:11,190 everyone so where you go to some event or some party and then you 1307 01:19:11,220 --> 01:19:14,370 come back and you say you're with your with your wife or a 1308 01:19:14,370 --> 01:19:17,280 friend or whatever, you deconstruct what you just went 1309 01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:19,140 through and somebody you know that guy could be a mass 1310 01:19:19,140 --> 01:19:22,170 murderer. Is your meat so it's over that guy's a creep he 1311 01:19:22,170 --> 01:19:24,330 couldn't be that far. Yeah, there's a bit there's a mass 1312 01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:28,020 murderer. I mean, I I've done that. i You must have done it to 1313 01:19:28,020 --> 01:19:31,110 the when you come, especially Mickey must be a net analysed 1314 01:19:31,110 --> 01:19:34,260 people all women do it and say, Oh, that guy's a creep. But 1315 01:19:34,260 --> 01:19:38,190 here's a pervert, you know, they know in advance. So I know. So I 1316 01:19:38,250 --> 01:19:38,760 because all 1317 01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:41,940 women have had to deal with that. Yes, they have 1318 01:19:42,450 --> 01:19:45,270 to deal with perverts and creeps and massive murderers. 1319 01:19:45,570 --> 01:19:48,090 Well, this guy immediately starts dialling it back when 1320 01:19:48,090 --> 01:19:51,150 dawn circles around to what he just said was confirmed 1321 01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:53,400 that it was Elliott kind of puts you on the spot here, but why 1322 01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:54,510 didn't you do anything about it? 1323 01:19:54,660 --> 01:19:59,040 That's a good question. Thank you, Don. No, but no, 1324 01:19:59,460 --> 01:20:02,040 just a dime Question If people do that all the time, when you 1325 01:20:03,180 --> 01:20:04,860 do once you call the cops 1326 01:20:05,190 --> 01:20:07,290 will hear that 1327 01:20:07,830 --> 01:20:10,020 there was a creep, I'm not gonna call the cops on him. 1328 01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:14,430 I really wasn't in a position to I didn't know his family at all. 1329 01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:19,830 I was I mean, you know, I knew him, but I only saw him about 1330 01:20:20,460 --> 01:20:25,980 seven or eight, maybe 10 times at the most. And, you know, I 1331 01:20:26,010 --> 01:20:29,130 did not really feel it was my place to I wasn't close enough 1332 01:20:29,130 --> 01:20:34,740 to the situation. There were a lot of adults in his life, older 1333 01:20:34,740 --> 01:20:37,500 adults that were in a much closer position. So I didn't 1334 01:20:37,500 --> 01:20:39,690 feel that it would be appropriate for me to step in. 1335 01:20:40,530 --> 01:20:44,310 It. Here's the thing, when when CNN brings on people like this, 1336 01:20:44,940 --> 01:20:49,980 I do something very strange. And it was only of course, because 1337 01:20:50,010 --> 01:20:53,550 we have this programme and we have I don't have to have 1338 01:20:53,550 --> 01:20:57,720 meetings with advertisers. The guy I googled the guy exactly 1339 01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:01,230 who is this guy they're putting on as some expert, because of 1340 01:21:01,230 --> 01:21:06,060 total jabroni. He had a show called studio seven one a 1341 01:21:06,060 --> 01:21:09,870 little magic in your life. Then take a stroll through the 1342 01:21:09,870 --> 01:21:13,950 psychic fair. Come on. 1343 01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:17,100 Right, Brian Brushwood? 1344 01:21:19,650 --> 01:21:23,640 I don't know Brian Brushwood personally, but I would not put 1345 01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:26,340 this on him. That's just mean and welcome 1346 01:21:26,340 --> 01:21:30,570 once again to studio seven. Your link to the cutting edge. I'm 1347 01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:33,840 Lenny Shaw. We have a fascinating show for you 1348 01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:38,220 tonight. My guests, Carol Krauss and Richard Stratton among 1349 01:21:38,220 --> 01:21:41,880 others, have taken a rather mundane suite of offices in the 1350 01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:45,420 San Fernando Valley and turned it into an intriguing and 1351 01:21:45,420 --> 01:21:49,530 numinous place where they have periodic psychic fairs where you 1352 01:21:49,530 --> 01:21:53,670 can get readings and astrology taro get your picture taken by 1353 01:21:53,670 --> 01:21:57,630 Nora camera and other fascinating guys a kook. He's a 1354 01:21:58,230 --> 01:22:02,220 total Kook get your picture taken by an aura camera, please 1355 01:22:02,250 --> 01:22:05,250 camera. And most of the time you take out a studio in the San 1356 01:22:05,250 --> 01:22:07,410 Fernando Valley is not for a psychic. No, 1357 01:22:07,410 --> 01:22:08,190 it's for porn. 1358 01:22:08,220 --> 01:22:11,220 It's for porn. Hello, world capital for porn. 1359 01:22:11,460 --> 01:22:15,930 So here is the and again, this is I can only do this because 1360 01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:19,740 I'm not doing meetings with advertisers. And we are getting 1361 01:22:19,740 --> 01:22:24,090 by so I can do this full time. Thank you. And I hope we're 1362 01:22:24,090 --> 01:22:27,840 providing some value here. So one of the people who was not 1363 01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:33,870 showing up anywhere is his therapist, Dr. Charles Sophie, 1364 01:22:34,260 --> 01:22:37,530 who was mentioned once or twice and I remembered I wrote down 1365 01:22:38,070 --> 01:22:45,210 the name to track it. And it's not come up. But why not? 1366 01:22:45,210 --> 01:22:50,250 Because Dr. Charles Sophie is not only a psychiatrist and 1367 01:22:50,250 --> 01:22:54,690 Medical Director for LA County's let me get the whole article. 1368 01:22:57,300 --> 01:23:01,560 He's a big wig. He is a big wig, direct medical director for Los 1369 01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:04,800 Angeles County's beleaguered Child Welfare welfare agency. 1370 01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:09,540 And he carries two cell phones in his pocket. One BlackBerry 10 1371 01:23:09,570 --> 01:23:13,020 I'm reading from the LA Times tethers him to his county job 1372 01:23:13,020 --> 01:23:15,390 where he's responsible for the mental health needs of nearly 1373 01:23:15,390 --> 01:23:19,830 20,000 foster children. The second kept in a plastic case 1374 01:23:19,860 --> 01:23:22,650 adorned with images of dollar bills is reserved for his 1375 01:23:22,650 --> 01:23:26,250 Beverly Hills based private psychiatric practice, where his 1376 01:23:26,250 --> 01:23:29,280 patients have included Paris Hilton, and for scheduling 1377 01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:31,920 appearances on television interviews and reality shows. 1378 01:23:32,250 --> 01:23:34,740 Among his recent on camera sessions was counselling of Real 1379 01:23:34,740 --> 01:23:37,800 Housewives of Beverly Hills cast member Taylor Armstrong and her 1380 01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:41,760 husband Russell, before Russell Armstrong committed suicide. The 1381 01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:46,320 guy does have death in his in his wake, apparently. So this 1382 01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:53,280 guy is very interesting. Why is he not being interviewed? Why is 1383 01:23:53,280 --> 01:24:00,270 he not showing up anywhere? And if this was his, the shooters, 1384 01:24:00,630 --> 01:24:05,580 the alleged shooters, a therapist who now is a frequent 1385 01:24:05,580 --> 01:24:09,750 contributor to the Dr. Phil Show on The Today Show. It wouldn't 1386 01:24:09,750 --> 01:24:11,190 be interesting to talk with him 1387 01:24:11,820 --> 01:24:14,610 is that what we what it also brings up the point of this is 1388 01:24:14,610 --> 01:24:15,900 the high end guy, 1389 01:24:16,139 --> 01:24:21,839 very high or cheap, very high end. But but also I'm not 1390 01:24:21,839 --> 01:24:28,049 discounting the, you know, the public angle. You know, this is 1391 01:24:28,049 --> 01:24:30,959 Child Protective Services. This is there's a lot of weirdness 1392 01:24:30,959 --> 01:24:36,029 going on with these types of agencies. And, and I've had a 1393 01:24:36,029 --> 01:24:41,189 lot of ESPYS email me we have quite an interesting amount of 1394 01:24:41,399 --> 01:24:49,289 Asperger Syndrome producers and they all say the same thing. The 1395 01:24:49,319 --> 01:24:55,799 the main character trait of Asperger's is obsession, on one 1396 01:24:55,799 --> 01:25:02,129 certain topic or thing and it is very easy to To help someone 1397 01:25:02,159 --> 01:25:06,959 obsess over something productive. And by the same 1398 01:25:07,019 --> 01:25:11,699 token, it is very easy to push someone towards obsession of 1399 01:25:11,699 --> 01:25:15,419 something that is very destructive. And about two or 1400 01:25:15,449 --> 01:25:19,679 two people have said if only I could have talked to this kid I 1401 01:25:19,679 --> 01:25:25,229 could have helped him very easily and I believe that and 1402 01:25:25,349 --> 01:25:32,519 and when you think about this high end guy, and the all of the 1403 01:25:32,519 --> 01:25:37,649 political use that has come out of this shooting, this mass 1404 01:25:37,649 --> 01:25:40,439 murderer anything over four is categorised as a mass murderer. 1405 01:25:40,889 --> 01:25:45,659 It would behove many people to trigger this kid. Now I'm not 1406 01:25:45,659 --> 01:25:48,899 saying that's fact. But I'm saying that it does fit with a 1407 01:25:48,899 --> 01:25:53,099 number of models. Now. This guy is nowhere no one is showing up. 1408 01:25:53,099 --> 01:25:56,039 No one is talking to him. No one's mentioning him. I don't 1409 01:25:56,039 --> 01:25:59,129 know why other than he's got a lot of connections in Hollywood, 1410 01:25:59,219 --> 01:26:04,559 which of course, is how you can either get on or stay off. But 1411 01:26:04,589 --> 01:26:11,489 Dr. Sophy does have a podcast. And I spent some time listening 1412 01:26:11,489 --> 01:26:17,159 to Dr. Sophie's podcast. And I found a number of interesting 1413 01:26:17,189 --> 01:26:24,719 episodes. And he has a very nice suave voice. He's kind of like I 1414 01:26:24,719 --> 01:26:27,089 put them in the Dr. Drew category he does he does stuff 1415 01:26:27,089 --> 01:26:31,829 on Dr. Drew show as well. But this was one episode that I 1416 01:26:31,829 --> 01:26:36,749 found particularly interesting in the context of misogyny 1417 01:26:36,749 --> 01:26:43,349 hatred towards women. And even if I'm just a patient, and I 1418 01:26:43,349 --> 01:26:45,359 would presume that the doctor would say, you know, listen to 1419 01:26:45,359 --> 01:26:49,079 my podcast, it might be helpful for you. That's not a crazy 1420 01:26:49,079 --> 01:26:49,919 thing to think, is it? 1421 01:26:50,820 --> 01:26:53,460 No, I don't remember you can find all my book 1422 01:26:53,490 --> 01:26:57,360 yet read my book or or listen to my podcast. So now put yourself 1423 01:26:57,390 --> 01:27:03,930 in the overly obsessed mind of Elliot Rodger who believes that 1424 01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:08,790 women are shunning him and that he has some right to 1425 01:27:08,820 --> 01:27:11,940 relationships and sex and he's obsessing over this because of 1426 01:27:12,630 --> 01:27:18,870 his situation. And then you hear that and remember, 1427 01:27:18,870 --> 01:27:23,700 you can find all of my podcasts on my website@www.dr sophy.com 1428 01:27:23,730 --> 01:27:29,310 or on iTunes. This week, we're talking about a very scary 1429 01:27:29,310 --> 01:27:29,940 topic. 1430 01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:34,530 Oh, what could be very scary, John. Very oh, 1431 01:27:34,620 --> 01:27:35,280 I want to listen. 1432 01:27:35,310 --> 01:27:36,750 Very scary topic. 1433 01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:38,910 Female dating psyche. 1434 01:27:40,890 --> 01:27:45,930 Really? That's scary. You got my attention in my boots. Yeah, 1435 01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:48,960 we're going to be talking about a woman's sexual desire and 1436 01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:52,350 mating strategy. Is there really such a thing? And is there 1437 01:27:52,350 --> 01:27:58,650 really such a person that's Mr. Right versus Mr. Right now? Does 1438 01:27:58,650 --> 01:28:01,650 it really just meet needs does it really means a bigger picture 1439 01:28:01,650 --> 01:28:04,080 of needs that's what we're going to be talking about good guys 1440 01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:06,870 versus bad guys. What do women really want? 1441 01:28:06,900 --> 01:28:10,500 This is pretty much everything this is this is a this to me 1442 01:28:10,500 --> 01:28:14,910 characterises Elliot Rogers thinking, right? They're good 1443 01:28:14,910 --> 01:28:19,110 guys. Bad guys. What do women want? What is their psyche? Was 1444 01:28:19,110 --> 01:28:24,690 he talking to this child essentially, in this manner with 1445 01:28:24,690 --> 01:28:25,590 these words? 1446 01:28:25,620 --> 01:28:30,540 Oh, no, I hope they no gender imbalances. Why? And can it make 1447 01:28:30,660 --> 01:28:35,010 it hard to find a partner? So joining me today on my female 1448 01:28:35,010 --> 01:28:38,430 dating psyche podcast, which is really scary. That's why I'm not 1449 01:28:38,430 --> 01:28:39,330 doing it alone is 1450 01:28:39,390 --> 01:28:41,640 again, the really scary thing. 1451 01:28:42,150 --> 01:28:43,170 Why is it scary? 1452 01:28:43,500 --> 01:28:46,530 I don't know. But, you know, maybe he's just sending messages 1453 01:28:46,530 --> 01:28:49,350 to patients. I don't know. By the way, I have edited this 1454 01:28:49,380 --> 01:28:52,800 obviously for just to make it simple to listen to is 1455 01:28:52,830 --> 01:28:56,940 a really well versed and trained as really, really well. He's 1456 01:28:56,940 --> 01:28:57,300 gonna give 1457 01:28:57,300 --> 01:29:01,200 all the credits. This woman was very well versed and really, 1458 01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:01,980 really, really smart 1459 01:29:01,980 --> 01:29:06,090 headed expert, Vinita Mehta. She's a PhD, clinical 1460 01:29:06,090 --> 01:29:10,410 psychologist and journalist has a tonne of great schools behind 1461 01:29:10,410 --> 01:29:13,950 her lots of great degrees. She has a bachelor's from Brandeis 1462 01:29:13,950 --> 01:29:17,580 University, her Master's at Harvard. She holds two other 1463 01:29:17,580 --> 01:29:21,540 masters and a doctorate from Columbia in clinical psychology, 1464 01:29:21,930 --> 01:29:25,230 and has trained both as a scholar and a practitioner 1465 01:29:25,260 --> 01:29:25,650 sounds 1466 01:29:25,650 --> 01:29:27,480 like she's got all the goods John when 1467 01:29:27,480 --> 01:29:31,290 you think sounds like a nut ball, I guess that many degrees 1468 01:29:31,290 --> 01:29:34,050 and the yet all these backgrounds and then is ends up 1469 01:29:34,050 --> 01:29:37,530 as a journalist is bipolar. Should 1470 01:29:37,530 --> 01:29:41,670 I be scared? Again? Should I be scared? What is this? This is 1471 01:29:41,670 --> 01:29:45,270 not good if I'm listening, oh my God, my doctor scared my doctor 1472 01:29:45,270 --> 01:29:47,880 scared of a woman's says we 1473 01:29:47,910 --> 01:29:51,600 shouldn't be scared but maybe concerned. What am I concerned 1474 01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:55,110 about? Well, you know, it's it's a very interesting area of 1475 01:29:55,110 --> 01:29:59,970 research that's it's uncovering some very interesting findings. 1476 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,440 about female sexual desire and female mating strategies and 1477 01:30:04,440 --> 01:30:08,850 male mating strategies as well. And what we're finding is in the 1478 01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:12,450 in the research is that women are basically doing battle with 1479 01:30:13,230 --> 01:30:17,700 two fundamental sexual desires. One would be short term mating 1480 01:30:17,700 --> 01:30:21,150 strategies, and the other is long term mating strategies. Now 1481 01:30:21,150 --> 01:30:24,390 remember, you're listening to this podcast as someone who was 1482 01:30:24,420 --> 01:30:28,830 obsessing over women not wanting to date get laid, you're a 1483 01:30:28,830 --> 01:30:33,120 virgin. Yes. And this is the information you're being given 1484 01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:34,320 by your doctor. 1485 01:30:34,410 --> 01:30:35,880 But they got another voice. Sorry. 1486 01:30:37,380 --> 01:30:40,740 This is like the dumbest thing I've heard ever, but go on. What 1487 01:30:40,740 --> 01:30:42,480 do you mean? Is it? No, not 1488 01:30:42,480 --> 01:30:43,530 that glib? Oh, okay. 1489 01:30:43,740 --> 01:30:47,160 This whole thing. I mean, this guy is really scary, scary. And 1490 01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:49,500 then he brings out some woman, he's got too many degrees. And 1491 01:30:49,500 --> 01:30:52,770 apparently, he's, uh, you know, the girl can't get out of school 1492 01:30:52,770 --> 01:30:55,170 and shut out. But this guy isn't all this stuff up. 1493 01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:58,410 But this guy Oh, shit. But you know what this guy is in charge 1494 01:30:58,410 --> 01:31:00,210 of right? Yeah, 1495 01:31:00,270 --> 01:31:02,700 I know. You know, you brought it up the mental 1496 01:31:02,700 --> 01:31:06,780 health needs of 20,000 foster children in Los Angeles. So you 1497 01:31:06,780 --> 01:31:09,420 set it up fine. It's just like mating strategy. Right? Let's 1498 01:31:09,420 --> 01:31:13,710 let's take another voicemail strategy when it's gotten to the 1499 01:31:13,710 --> 01:31:16,050 How come they didn't get the MBA and strategy. 1500 01:31:16,710 --> 01:31:18,540 Now let's listen to the voicemail that come in when 1501 01:31:18,540 --> 01:31:20,010 you're having sex with one of these women? Is 1502 01:31:20,010 --> 01:31:23,070 that a strategic partner? I'm sorry. 1503 01:31:24,690 --> 01:31:27,240 It's an initial offering, I think is one initial offering in 1504 01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:32,190 a strategic strategic partnership. Or long, quiet 1505 01:31:32,220 --> 01:31:33,480 mating strategies. 1506 01:31:33,629 --> 01:31:34,709 Let's take another voicemail. 1507 01:31:34,980 --> 01:31:38,700 Be quiet now. Sorry. Just be quiet. Be quiet for a moment. 1508 01:31:39,599 --> 01:31:41,039 Let's take another voicemail. Hi, 1509 01:31:41,580 --> 01:31:44,820 my name is Adam. I am calling because 1510 01:31:44,849 --> 01:31:46,559 No, I did not call and shut up. 1511 01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:51,960 I am on a pretty long dry spell. When it comes to dating. 1512 01:31:52,140 --> 01:31:54,750 Listen to the guy. It's important. 1513 01:31:55,349 --> 01:31:58,919 And it's not that I don't want to date. I definitely would like 1514 01:31:58,919 --> 01:32:02,399 a girlfriend. But it's been several years now. And I'm in my 1515 01:32:02,399 --> 01:32:08,009 late 20s. And I just really have no idea what's going on. I don't 1516 01:32:08,039 --> 01:32:11,429 think I understand women at all. On paper. I think I make a good 1517 01:32:11,429 --> 01:32:16,979 match for a lot of girls. Exactly the profile. But the 1518 01:32:16,979 --> 01:32:21,599 point is this, it seemed like the few girls I like aren't that 1519 01:32:21,599 --> 01:32:26,009 responsive. So I met a lot. I don't understand at all what's 1520 01:32:26,009 --> 01:32:29,189 going through their head. They give all these mixed signals. So 1521 01:32:29,189 --> 01:32:32,609 any advice you could have would be more than appreciated. It 1522 01:32:32,609 --> 01:32:34,799 might actually steer my life in the right direction. I 1523 01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:38,160 remember I'm a patient I've been told to listen, this guy sounds 1524 01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:42,450 like me. I'm already scared because my doctor scared gave me 1525 01:32:42,450 --> 01:32:43,860 some advice. Thank you. 1526 01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:45,270 Interesting. You go first. 1527 01:32:48,540 --> 01:32:52,380 Well, hold away. Stop, stop, stop. She said that's a toughy 1528 01:32:52,410 --> 01:32:55,860 Uh huh. Why is that a toughy? There's a million guys like 1529 01:32:55,860 --> 01:33:00,540 that. How is that a toughy? Here? Let me give you the 1530 01:33:00,540 --> 01:33:05,010 question. You're gonna say that's a toughy. Yeah, you know, 1531 01:33:05,010 --> 01:33:09,450 I haven't gotten laid in two years. And I'm kind of creepy 1532 01:33:09,450 --> 01:33:12,120 and the girls kind of reject me when I come up to him and mash 1533 01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:15,720 my body against him. Is there anything? I'm doing wrong? I 1534 01:33:15,720 --> 01:33:17,820 don't know. I don't get it. Because it's when it seems to me 1535 01:33:17,820 --> 01:33:20,520 that if you go up to a girl and get real close, and you breathe 1536 01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:22,680 in her face, and you push yourself up against her and 1537 01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:24,510 maybe bump up against the wall like that, you know what I'm 1538 01:33:24,510 --> 01:33:28,020 saying? You think they'd be more responsive? I get zero response. 1539 01:33:28,020 --> 01:33:29,070 I get slapped a lot. 1540 01:33:29,100 --> 01:33:32,970 Oh, wow. That's a toughy Thank you. 1541 01:33:33,030 --> 01:33:37,830 Interesting. You go first. Oh, boy. Let me tell you, it's 1542 01:33:37,830 --> 01:33:39,750 pretty easy. But you go first. Okay, fair 1543 01:33:39,750 --> 01:33:42,120 enough. I mean, I think that actually one of the things that 1544 01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:45,900 is so interesting about this is that, you know, this is where I 1545 01:33:45,900 --> 01:33:49,080 think a lot of issues around gender imbalances and a 1546 01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:50,610 population can come up 1547 01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:55,980 Yes. Which is bullcrap. I totally agree. But did you hear 1548 01:33:56,070 --> 01:33:58,650 most of what this guy was saying is I don't know what's in their 1549 01:33:58,650 --> 01:34:00,720 head. I don't know what they're thinking. I don't know why they 1550 01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:04,740 don't like me. I did. I think the biggest issue was what he's 1551 01:34:04,740 --> 01:34:07,830 thinking you know, bring them to me and they should meet my 1552 01:34:07,830 --> 01:34:11,790 standards. That's again what we were talking about in a little 1553 01:34:11,790 --> 01:34:14,790 earlier when we said look at your list because it nobody is 1554 01:34:14,790 --> 01:34:17,070 going to be perfect but you also have to look at that list in 1555 01:34:17,070 --> 01:34:21,030 conjunction with what is you and needs to be addressed before you 1556 01:34:21,060 --> 01:34:21,840 do that list. This 1557 01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:27,600 is exactly what Roger did. He looked at the list he went down 1558 01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:31,080 the list I'm good looking. I come from a good background I've 1559 01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:34,080 got the right sunglasses I got the right car. 1560 01:34:35,370 --> 01:34:38,040 Lizzy thinks she's a horse this Dr. Sophie 1561 01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:43,320 is a dangerous individual. And I'm just there was one other 1562 01:34:44,250 --> 01:34:46,140 episode they'll just pay the play a little bit for 1563 01:34:46,140 --> 01:34:48,090 I didn't get to play anymore what to hear they got the 1564 01:34:48,090 --> 01:34:51,720 Tuffy. No, no, no, no, the it goes on forever. No, no, it's in 1565 01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:55,890 the show notes. I want to play this podcast. This is for you. 1566 01:34:55,890 --> 01:34:56,730 Actually they 1567 01:34:56,760 --> 01:35:00,600 is a really interesting topic. I am sure as you We have seen 1568 01:35:00,630 --> 01:35:03,540 tonnes of shows about it and heard about it. There's even 1569 01:35:03,540 --> 01:35:06,420 specific shows about it that just really find different 1570 01:35:06,750 --> 01:35:10,650 people who do this or have this issue weekly on on their show. 1571 01:35:10,650 --> 01:35:13,890 And it's always amazing to me and I'm sure it is to you. Even 1572 01:35:13,890 --> 01:35:16,530 though as much as I know and as much as I've traded in a lot 1573 01:35:16,530 --> 01:35:21,180 that I've seen, I still continue to be amazed at the extent may 1574 01:35:21,210 --> 01:35:26,220 issue and the issue is really about anxiety, which is at the 1575 01:35:26,220 --> 01:35:28,710 core, which we'll talk about with our experts today. But 1576 01:35:28,890 --> 01:35:32,220 anxiety is the driver of a lot of the issue behind this problem 1577 01:35:32,220 --> 01:35:33,780 today, which is hoarding. 1578 01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:48,450 Funny, funny, archivist, yes, I know. I love the whole leading 1579 01:35:48,540 --> 01:35:54,720 35 seconds to get to play to me. And that was not edited. 1580 01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:57,450 Fine. I'm glad you found that clip. Yeah. 1581 01:35:58,860 --> 01:36:04,260 Anyway, so I'm surprised that we have these morons on the 1582 01:36:04,260 --> 01:36:09,630 television like Lenny Shaw, but not the guy who's always on 1583 01:36:09,630 --> 01:36:17,010 television who seems to be related to this case. And then 1584 01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:21,660 and then I'm gonna finish up here. We have a new puppet on 1585 01:36:21,660 --> 01:36:28,140 the scene. Wow. Simon Astaire. Now silent Astaire I know him 1586 01:36:28,140 --> 01:36:32,100 from my arm, our London days. This guy is no slouch. He's an 1587 01:36:32,130 --> 01:36:36,930 author. He's an agent. He's been you know, whenever they're 1588 01:36:36,930 --> 01:36:40,470 talking about entertainment, but also royalty. You know, the 1589 01:36:40,470 --> 01:36:46,230 queen. This guy is a real high end high society bullcrap Brit. 1590 01:36:47,010 --> 01:36:50,610 And he now is a friend of the family and is doing interviews 1591 01:36:50,610 --> 01:36:54,870 on behalf of the family. And I want to say that that's odd. 1592 01:36:54,870 --> 01:37:01,380 Yes. And, yes, very odd. Let me just look at his buggy, his good 1593 01:37:01,380 --> 01:37:03,030 catch his wiki page. 1594 01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:07,350 I'm glad you followed up on this. I had no interest in it. 1595 01:37:08,370 --> 01:37:10,740 But you had to do I think you had this thing pegged a little 1596 01:37:10,740 --> 01:37:12,870 better than I did from the beginning. I think so I dropped 1597 01:37:12,870 --> 01:37:13,350 estero 1598 01:37:13,350 --> 01:37:16,110 was recruited by ICM international creative 1599 01:37:16,110 --> 01:37:19,590 management talent agency, where it became a big agency Yeah, 1600 01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:22,020 youngest agent yet to be employed by the firm during his 1601 01:37:22,020 --> 01:37:26,160 tenure career as head of young artists, including Oscar winner 1602 01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:29,130 Rachel Weisz and international sizing ICM he established the 1603 01:37:29,130 --> 01:37:33,120 thriving music department in 97 became chief executive protocol 1604 01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:36,060 multimedia with diverse media divisions, including personal 1605 01:37:36,060 --> 01:37:38,880 representation product and celebrity endorsement and PR. 1606 01:37:39,060 --> 01:37:42,270 Working with companies like Bulgari, Giorgio Armani, Calvin 1607 01:37:42,270 --> 01:37:46,080 Klein, Alfred Dunhill, Saatchi and Saatchi Charlize Theron was 1608 01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:49,770 contracted to Bulgaria's lady Helen Taylor was to Armani and 1609 01:37:49,770 --> 01:37:52,740 Calvin Klein. Among Us stairs clients are members of the 1610 01:37:52,740 --> 01:37:55,680 Hollywood establishment and the British Royal Family, including 1611 01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:59,730 Prince and Princess Michael of Kent, regularly quoted on their 1612 01:37:59,730 --> 01:38:03,630 behalf in the national press regularly appears on CNN Sky 1613 01:38:03,630 --> 01:38:07,230 News and five and other networks commenting on all key media and 1614 01:38:07,230 --> 01:38:11,040 celebrating stories, a trustee of the MTV foundation a 1615 01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:15,720 charitable arm to the MTV Networks. His first novel 1616 01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:18,750 private privilege was published in 2008 and became a best 1617 01:38:18,750 --> 01:38:23,340 seller. The story is a rites of passage to the eyes of a public 1618 01:38:23,340 --> 01:38:27,810 school boy, which as we know, in the UK, in England can be very 1619 01:38:27,810 --> 01:38:33,810 weird. And he is speaking up buggery going and he is speaking 1620 01:38:33,810 --> 01:38:38,460 on behalf of the family. And this is he's on a number of 1621 01:38:38,460 --> 01:38:43,650 shows. I think this is ABC. 1622 01:38:44,490 --> 01:38:47,250 When I saw them yesterday, I mean, they have literally 1623 01:38:47,250 --> 01:38:48,480 diminished in size. 1624 01:38:50,070 --> 01:38:52,200 He's talking about the parents who he's speaking on 1625 01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:55,380 behalf of, and they've literally dimension size literally didn't 1626 01:38:55,380 --> 01:38:59,100 say, figuratively, are they that means they literally Yeah, I 1627 01:38:59,100 --> 01:38:59,280 think 1628 01:38:59,280 --> 01:39:02,340 that's possible. Ronk I literally I think that when you 1629 01:39:02,340 --> 01:39:05,490 go through horrible trauma, I think you can shrink. Yes, you 1630 01:39:05,490 --> 01:39:09,510 can. You can you can contract. Yes, I believe that. I think I 1631 01:39:09,510 --> 01:39:14,820 think it's a very compelling description of how they are 1632 01:39:14,820 --> 01:39:17,760 feeling true or not is irrelevant is very comprised. 1633 01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:18,060 Alright. 1634 01:39:19,230 --> 01:39:21,990 Well, I saw them yesterday. I mean, they have literally 1635 01:39:21,990 --> 01:39:25,890 diminished in size. They're crippled with pain. 1636 01:39:26,160 --> 01:39:29,400 You've said that they are mourning the innocent lives that 1637 01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:32,310 were taken more than their own son's life. 1638 01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:37,920 It's true. Every part of it is talking about that, not about 1639 01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:42,150 their son. She tells me that she read the first four lines. And 1640 01:39:42,630 --> 01:39:45,660 she knew something was wrong. So she automatically went to 1641 01:39:45,660 --> 01:39:52,560 YouTube. She watched 30 seconds of the video and immediately 1642 01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:57,000 rang at its father. And she said you have to look at this YouTube 1643 01:39:57,030 --> 01:39:57,420 video 1644 01:39:57,480 --> 01:40:00,300 right now. This is interesting. He is He is building The 1645 01:40:00,300 --> 01:40:03,330 narrative of the story from the parents perspective, 1646 01:40:03,480 --> 01:40:06,570 attribution, has to come to this. 1647 01:40:07,140 --> 01:40:10,200 And he said, We have to get there. We have to get to Santa 1648 01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:13,380 Barbara. And as they're driving up there, they know 1649 01:40:13,380 --> 01:40:16,800 intrinsically, something's wrong with Elliot. And then they start 1650 01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:17,970 to hear it on the radio. 1651 01:40:18,510 --> 01:40:24,780 Now, having previously called the police to do a welfare 1652 01:40:24,780 --> 01:40:29,340 check, why do they start driving and not immediately call the 1653 01:40:29,340 --> 01:40:30,120 police? 1654 01:40:31,170 --> 01:40:34,380 Well, the other thing is who automatically goes to YouTube? 1655 01:40:34,860 --> 01:40:35,220 Yeah. 1656 01:40:35,910 --> 01:40:41,310 Good. That's exactly well, yes, of course. I think that is 1657 01:40:41,310 --> 01:40:45,450 because that made that may have some validity to it, because 1658 01:40:45,450 --> 01:40:48,300 they had seen videos previously. And that's why they had the 1659 01:40:48,300 --> 01:40:52,830 welfare check done. And according to his so called 1660 01:40:52,830 --> 01:40:57,300 manifesto, he had fooled everyone and taken them down and 1661 01:40:57,300 --> 01:41:01,200 mentioned this on some of the some of the forum, that forums 1662 01:41:01,200 --> 01:41:05,340 that he was writing on. But again, this is just a this guy. 1663 01:41:05,370 --> 01:41:09,270 He is a professional storyteller, a paid and 1664 01:41:09,270 --> 01:41:15,150 successful a professional PR. Spin, man. He's very good when 1665 01:41:15,180 --> 01:41:22,380 Dr. Spin man, I like spin, man, spin man. And here's how he's 1666 01:41:22,380 --> 01:41:23,310 building the narrative. 1667 01:41:23,580 --> 01:41:27,960 The news flashes, that a black BMW was involved. And that's a 1668 01:41:27,960 --> 01:41:32,910 mass shooting was Elliot close with his parents? You know, he 1669 01:41:32,910 --> 01:41:38,220 was a very removed remote child. I remember on one particular 1670 01:41:38,220 --> 01:41:42,630 occasion, I went to a party of theirs. I walked out and he was 1671 01:41:42,630 --> 01:41:46,230 there on the street. All alone. I thought he was the loneliest 1672 01:41:46,230 --> 01:41:50,010 person I've ever seen in my life. He was an old child. He 1673 01:41:50,010 --> 01:41:53,610 hesitated. He shook when you met him. 1674 01:41:54,300 --> 01:41:57,600 Do you know if Elliot was on any medication? 1675 01:41:57,660 --> 01:42:01,710 Wow. Finally, someone asked the question. frappe. I know 1676 01:42:01,710 --> 01:42:03,300 Finally, I've never 1677 01:42:03,300 --> 01:42:06,300 heard that. Anyone ask a question like that. I 1678 01:42:06,300 --> 01:42:06,810 understand. 1679 01:42:06,810 --> 01:42:10,680 He was on Xanax in the last six months. And I think doctors have 1680 01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:16,320 offered to put him on medication before like a year ago. And I 1681 01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:18,900 don't know the legal side you see, but I know that he refused 1682 01:42:18,900 --> 01:42:19,410 to take it. 1683 01:42:19,769 --> 01:42:24,359 And this is when he says I don't know the legal side. This is a 1684 01:42:24,359 --> 01:42:29,909 setup. Because the legal side will be you if you it will be a 1685 01:42:29,909 --> 01:42:33,659 crime not to take your medication. That's where this is 1686 01:42:33,659 --> 01:42:37,589 headed. Xanax? I think although Ed believes Xanax is an SSRI if 1687 01:42:37,589 --> 01:42:38,009 I'm not 1688 01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:43,110 Yes. Which is not good. No, not good. We had one of our dame's 1689 01:42:43,140 --> 01:42:46,320 explained the problem with the sorts of drugs 1690 01:42:47,070 --> 01:42:50,820 and whatever other drugs which we will not hear about in this 1691 01:42:51,540 --> 01:42:55,140 not taking them as some kind of legal angle which believe me 1692 01:42:55,140 --> 01:43:00,090 will come down to I agree. It's a it's a crime to not take your 1693 01:43:00,480 --> 01:43:05,370 your mind altering psychotropic drugs on a day to day basis. I'm 1694 01:43:05,370 --> 01:43:06,990 sorry, you're absolutely right. When my oh 1695 01:43:15,240 --> 01:43:18,150 my god, how long have we had that that jingle? And here it 1696 01:43:18,150 --> 01:43:22,110 is. It finally comes true. All right, onward, 1697 01:43:22,140 --> 01:43:25,890 day to day basis. Would you say that Elliott's parents were 1698 01:43:25,890 --> 01:43:27,060 concerned about him? 1699 01:43:27,630 --> 01:43:32,970 Yes, every day, every day. I think their fears, fundamentally 1700 01:43:33,180 --> 01:43:35,370 deep down was that he was going to take his own life. 1701 01:43:35,849 --> 01:43:40,859 Elliot's mother chin had reached out before fully showed up to 1702 01:43:40,859 --> 01:43:43,949 his apartment and now there is an investigation as to whether 1703 01:43:43,949 --> 01:43:46,169 or not the correct actions were taken. So there's 1704 01:43:46,170 --> 01:43:52,530 no blame to the police whatsoever. Because Elliot 1705 01:43:52,530 --> 01:43:56,160 fooled everyone for a very, very long time. He fooled me He 1706 01:43:56,160 --> 01:44:00,000 fooled his family. He fooled everyone who saw him he was a 1707 01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:03,300 tragic figure. And now when I talk about him, I talk about him 1708 01:44:03,300 --> 01:44:09,630 knowing what he did. He is in many ways a monster Wow, 1709 01:44:09,660 --> 01:44:14,010 okay, so it's all set now. You know if I didn't know any better 1710 01:44:15,300 --> 01:44:23,160 I'd say that this thing was set up by Hillary Clinton. I hate to 1711 01:44:23,160 --> 01:44:29,040 say I know I can take it a long way can I? Well, listen to this 1712 01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:32,970 conversation is part of it. It was a 15 minute conversation and 1713 01:44:32,970 --> 01:44:35,550 now we'll get into the the women thing which is very important 1714 01:44:35,550 --> 01:44:39,690 topic. This is a Shannon R Watts who we've discussed on the 1715 01:44:39,690 --> 01:44:45,150 programme. She is the former Monsanto PR spokes hole who 1716 01:44:45,150 --> 01:44:49,170 changed her name changed her entire for the kind of like a 1717 01:44:49,170 --> 01:44:56,190 chameleon became the start a nonprofit. Mom's against guns. 1718 01:44:56,190 --> 01:45:00,330 I'm just that's not what it's called. Mom's enough. Whatever 1719 01:45:00,330 --> 01:45:04,980 it is, which was recently merged with the Bloomberg, mayor's 1720 01:45:04,980 --> 01:45:06,060 against guns. 1721 01:45:06,240 --> 01:45:09,060 So now, geo is merging. Yeah, so 1722 01:45:09,060 --> 01:45:14,250 she is now on the former Mayor Bloomberg payroll. Yeah. And 1723 01:45:14,250 --> 01:45:18,960 then we have Jessica Valenti both on with Chris Hayes. It 1724 01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:24,300 doesn't matter. Just listen to the words they are using about 1725 01:45:24,300 --> 01:45:30,870 this tragedy, which of course, they rightly so see as a war on 1726 01:45:30,870 --> 01:45:34,950 women, and they are taking the misogyny angle, but the words 1727 01:45:34,950 --> 01:45:36,990 that they're using are very important because of course, 1728 01:45:36,990 --> 01:45:39,000 they're paid to do this. 1729 01:45:39,030 --> 01:45:42,630 No, I think that this has been seen in America over and over 1730 01:45:42,630 --> 01:45:45,930 when there's an issue that that hits close to a nerve and we're 1731 01:45:45,930 --> 01:45:49,260 seeing it now. In my opinion, that means we're winning we are 1732 01:45:49,260 --> 01:45:53,340 going to win this war against gun extremists who have set the 1733 01:45:53,340 --> 01:45:57,300 policies in this country and if that's the price we pay, so be 1734 01:45:57,540 --> 01:46:02,460 a new meme gun extremists new meme there, I'm writing gun 1735 01:46:02,460 --> 01:46:03,240 extremists and 1736 01:46:03,240 --> 01:46:06,780 if that's the price we pay, so be it we are no longer going to 1737 01:46:06,780 --> 01:46:10,230 be silenced. You know, as a mother, I have a right to use my 1738 01:46:10,230 --> 01:46:13,530 voice and my vote to show direction this country should go 1739 01:46:13,530 --> 01:46:15,660 in and I won't be silenced by gun bullies. 1740 01:46:16,020 --> 01:46:19,920 Bullies, which is the key theme here. Bullies, menace winning is 1741 01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:20,070 this 1742 01:46:20,100 --> 01:46:23,400 Is that is that part of what the are feminists winning very 1743 01:46:23,400 --> 01:46:26,310 careful now, this world this dark world that 1744 01:46:26,340 --> 01:46:29,820 that this shooter had some relation to and involvement with 1745 01:46:29,820 --> 01:46:33,570 and was reading. Is that part of the just looking? 1746 01:46:34,860 --> 01:46:38,670 Horrible? No, he's he said he actually he says that he's dumb, 1747 01:46:38,700 --> 01:46:41,100 but he says that you don't worry, but just listen to what 1748 01:46:41,100 --> 01:46:45,060 she's reading. What's he talking about reading? He's, he's, he's 1749 01:46:45,510 --> 01:46:48,780 talking himself into a corner and he says, just trying to find 1750 01:46:48,780 --> 01:46:52,590 a silver lining here is nothing. It's Chris Hayes isn't. He's an 1751 01:46:52,590 --> 01:46:53,460 idiot. He's an idiot. 1752 01:46:54,930 --> 01:46:59,520 Just looking for silver lining. Horrible, horrible news. But I 1753 01:46:59,520 --> 01:46:59,820 think 1754 01:46:59,820 --> 01:47:03,270 in a way yes. I think feminists are winning, sort of the the 1755 01:47:03,270 --> 01:47:06,150 national cultural conversation, the fact that these you know, 1756 01:47:06,150 --> 01:47:09,780 hashtags and tumblers take off like they do certainly shows 1757 01:47:09,780 --> 01:47:11,760 that people are ready for feminists to win. 1758 01:47:11,820 --> 01:47:17,160 Okay, thank you. That is a Hillary Clinton ploy for 1759 01:47:17,160 --> 01:47:20,520 feminists to win, we're going to use our vote. Well, who else 1760 01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:23,790 could that mean? Elizabeth Warren, 1761 01:47:23,850 --> 01:47:27,630 it could it could. Now I will say this. There's been a number 1762 01:47:27,630 --> 01:47:31,770 of pro Hillary articles floating around the New York Times and 1763 01:47:31,770 --> 01:47:34,890 elsewhere. And they're all about Hillary and Hillary. He's not 1764 01:47:34,890 --> 01:47:35,430 you know, she's 1765 01:47:36,030 --> 01:47:38,280 gonna move off this topic. But I do have one more thing I want to 1766 01:47:38,280 --> 01:47:38,730 talk about. 1767 01:47:39,900 --> 01:47:42,180 Elizabeth Warren is not mentioned in any one of them. I 1768 01:47:42,180 --> 01:47:45,240 think they're trying to marginalise her. So I just want 1769 01:47:45,240 --> 01:47:46,320 people to keep an eye on that. 1770 01:47:48,510 --> 01:47:54,240 So then, something that that happened during all of this, 1771 01:47:54,240 --> 01:47:59,550 which was started by a, I found out how to how to get to the 1772 01:47:59,550 --> 01:48:02,400 original use a hash tag, by the way, which is great. Thank you 1773 01:48:02,400 --> 01:48:04,890 very much. A lot of people chimed in on this. You go to 1774 01:48:04,890 --> 01:48:08,640 topsy.com by filling the hash tag and then you do reverse date 1775 01:48:08,640 --> 01:48:12,090 and you get you know, the the first use and actually yes, all 1776 01:48:12,090 --> 01:48:16,620 women was used two years ago a couple times and then this this 1777 01:48:16,620 --> 01:48:20,700 one apparently young author started this but I think it was 1778 01:48:20,700 --> 01:48:23,670 propagated by Think Progress. They're the ones that really got 1779 01:48:23,670 --> 01:48:27,420 it going. So who knows. And this this original hashtag creator 1780 01:48:27,420 --> 01:48:34,380 has now made her profile private and whatever. But what really 1781 01:48:34,380 --> 01:48:37,170 did happen, and I have a feeling you may have had the 1782 01:48:37,170 --> 01:48:41,940 conversation. This really hit a nerve with women in America. I 1783 01:48:41,940 --> 01:48:44,520 don't really think they say worldwide, but I think that's 1784 01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:48,120 kind of bullcrap. We know people worldwide. I really haven't seen 1785 01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:53,850 that. But this yes, all women. Very interesting. Did you have 1786 01:48:53,850 --> 01:48:56,940 any conversations with me, me or Jay about this? No. No. 1787 01:48:57,660 --> 01:49:06,810 00 Maybe some sort of bullcrap. And Jay wouldn't even know 1788 01:49:06,810 --> 01:49:07,470 what's going on. 1789 01:49:09,300 --> 01:49:11,880 Well, this hit, they're not glued 1790 01:49:11,880 --> 01:49:14,730 to the stream, this stream of bull crap. Well, 1791 01:49:14,730 --> 01:49:23,820 it's no good. But yes, all women have dealt with abuse. And they 1792 01:49:23,820 --> 01:49:29,820 want men to acknowledge that. And it was just very interesting 1793 01:49:29,820 --> 01:49:33,030 to have these conversations. It hit a really deep nerve with a 1794 01:49:33,030 --> 01:49:38,130 lot of women I know. And I followed this hashtag for a lot 1795 01:49:38,130 --> 01:49:41,370 a long time over the past few days. And I know a lot of women 1796 01:49:41,370 --> 01:49:46,830 talking about some pretty deep stuff. Now here's my favourite, 1797 01:49:47,250 --> 01:49:50,220 Carol on CNN. And 1798 01:49:50,700 --> 01:49:53,070 I sense a theme I cut a 1799 01:49:53,070 --> 01:49:56,490 lot out of out of this piece, because there's no opposition 1800 01:49:56,490 --> 01:49:59,370 because you can't you can't oppose this. That just No, you 1801 01:49:59,370 --> 01:49:59,970 can't have it. 1802 01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:04,560 Ideal as an ideal musician, when you can't you have no all up. 1803 01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:08,640 It's like Hitler. You can't find any, you know, balance when you 1804 01:50:08,670 --> 01:50:12,780 know the only the only thing is pay if you say well, not all men 1805 01:50:12,780 --> 01:50:16,560 are like that that is this kind of the yes, all women is almost 1806 01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:20,310 set up for you to say that, which is when you get beat over 1807 01:50:20,310 --> 01:50:23,280 the head. And I caught myself and it took me a while to figure 1808 01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:27,180 out oh, okay. You don't want us to say anything other than Yes. 1809 01:50:28,470 --> 01:50:33,540 Yeah. And I do acknowledge it. Absolutely. But does listen to 1810 01:50:33,540 --> 01:50:37,980 this conversation. I thought for everything I heard. This was the 1811 01:50:37,980 --> 01:50:41,700 most sane conversation and Carol was kind of doing a good job. 1812 01:50:41,700 --> 01:50:43,050 I'm I'm impressed with her 1813 01:50:43,080 --> 01:50:45,570 tough conversation, but we'll give it a go. 1814 01:50:47,700 --> 01:50:51,300 So Kelly, women, especially those in college are scared of 1815 01:50:51,300 --> 01:50:55,050 what they call misogynist men who take advantage of them. It's 1816 01:50:55,050 --> 01:50:58,410 hard to argue in this climate that they don't have reason to 1817 01:50:58,410 --> 01:51:02,070 be right, exactly. And I think what's important to point out 1818 01:51:02,070 --> 01:51:06,060 and we also saw the hashtag, quote, hashtag not all men kind 1819 01:51:06,060 --> 01:51:09,990 of sprout up here. Women aren't saying all men are like this and 1820 01:51:10,020 --> 01:51:14,010 all men to this, but they are saying that almost all women 1821 01:51:14,010 --> 01:51:18,630 have felt harassed have been objectified, some even worse, 1822 01:51:18,630 --> 01:51:21,480 some, you know, sexually assaulted on campus, as we have 1823 01:51:21,480 --> 01:51:25,080 seen the power of social media for victims on college campuses 1824 01:51:25,080 --> 01:51:27,750 to kind of bring attention to what's happening, and put 1825 01:51:27,750 --> 01:51:30,690 pressure on colleges and universities to do more when 1826 01:51:30,690 --> 01:51:33,810 there are these allegations. So you really see sort of this, 1827 01:51:33,990 --> 01:51:38,670 from the ground up women talking in real personal ways about what 1828 01:51:38,670 --> 01:51:41,610 they say is happening, and why they feel like we have to have a 1829 01:51:41,610 --> 01:51:44,100 larger conversation here to stop it. 1830 01:51:44,280 --> 01:51:48,600 And when I heard this, the only thing I kept thinking is, well, 1831 01:51:49,080 --> 01:51:52,200 what is the common? How do we want to have this conversation? 1832 01:51:52,470 --> 01:51:53,790 by electing Hillary, 1833 01:51:54,450 --> 01:51:57,750 it's about a broader culture that sees women as prizes as 1834 01:51:57,750 --> 01:52:00,960 possessions and as things to which men are entitled as 1835 01:52:00,960 --> 01:52:03,540 opposed to human beings. It's a culture where women walk down 1836 01:52:03,540 --> 01:52:06,150 the street and are subjected to street harassment all the time. 1837 01:52:06,420 --> 01:52:08,940 It's a world where women have to say I have a boyfriend, because 1838 01:52:08,940 --> 01:52:11,040 if you just say, Hey, I'm not interested, that's not enough 1839 01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:12,900 men will accept that you're another man's possession, but 1840 01:52:12,900 --> 01:52:15,930 one except women's right to have their own interests and desires. 1841 01:52:16,620 --> 01:52:19,230 This guy is crazy, brought a world some call it a rape 1842 01:52:19,230 --> 01:52:22,020 culture, I would agree with it. We encourage the rave culture 1843 01:52:22,590 --> 01:52:25,410 and violence against female bodies. Now this guy was had 1844 01:52:25,410 --> 01:52:25,920 mental health. 1845 01:52:26,160 --> 01:52:30,210 Is this Touray? No, it is it is a black guy. I think it was 1846 01:52:30,210 --> 01:52:33,090 brought on specifically for that reason. I'm not sure you I think 1847 01:52:33,090 --> 01:52:34,410 he works for Huffington Post. 1848 01:52:34,590 --> 01:52:37,590 I just back that in the perfect world. He still would be 1849 01:52:37,590 --> 01:52:39,810 violent. But But there's something crazy making about 1850 01:52:39,810 --> 01:52:42,210 misogyny as well. And I think it'll be contributed to his 1851 01:52:42,210 --> 01:52:43,320 mental health issues. 1852 01:52:44,550 --> 01:52:46,770 You know, Kelly, I think that this is this is a great 1853 01:52:46,770 --> 01:52:48,930 conversation to have. But again, 1854 01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:54,360 I'd like to know, How can a man? And this is this is my question. 1855 01:52:54,360 --> 01:52:58,710 The only question I have, how can? How can I as a man 1856 01:52:58,710 --> 01:53:02,280 contribute to the conversation? That's all I want to know. 1857 01:53:02,309 --> 01:53:04,889 It's a dangerous line, we're walking because I frankly don't 1858 01:53:04,889 --> 01:53:08,249 believe all men view women as simply objects. There's 1859 01:53:08,249 --> 01:53:11,069 definitely a problem, right, especially at universities with 1860 01:53:11,069 --> 01:53:15,179 sexual assault. But, but by having this conversation, some 1861 01:53:15,179 --> 01:53:18,209 men might think we're condemning all of them. And they're, the 1862 01:53:18,209 --> 01:53:23,069 majority of men are good people. I like that. That is right, 1863 01:53:23,099 --> 01:53:24,059 black guy appearance. 1864 01:53:24,690 --> 01:53:27,270 And I think you saw that you saw that online. I mean, I've had 1865 01:53:27,270 --> 01:53:30,210 conversations even in my own household where, you know, men 1866 01:53:30,210 --> 01:53:33,570 who respect women say, Whoa, wait a second, not all men are 1867 01:53:33,570 --> 01:53:36,630 like that. And that is true. But I think what I was struck by, 1868 01:53:36,630 --> 01:53:39,960 especially as a mom of two girls, those tweets were moms 1869 01:53:39,960 --> 01:53:42,630 and parents saying, you know, I tell my girls to watch their 1870 01:53:42,630 --> 01:53:47,940 drinks at bars. But do we tell men don't put drugs in women's 1871 01:53:47,940 --> 01:53:49,050 drinks? Right? 1872 01:53:49,440 --> 01:53:51,690 This is this is the conversation. I think that is 1873 01:53:51,720 --> 01:53:57,090 dumb. I don't like the way this conversation is going. It 1874 01:53:57,090 --> 01:54:03,450 implies or infers that men only teach their sons, which is 1875 01:54:03,660 --> 01:54:09,990 patently not true. And so it's a failure on everyone's part if 1876 01:54:09,990 --> 01:54:15,510 we're not teaching basic, wrong and right. And well, let me 1877 01:54:15,510 --> 01:54:18,330 finish 20 more seconds. And I'll give you my final thoughts. 1878 01:54:18,360 --> 01:54:21,540 I tell my girls be careful so that you're not assaulted on 1879 01:54:21,540 --> 01:54:26,520 campus. But do we tell enough of our men to not sexually assault 1880 01:54:26,520 --> 01:54:29,790 women? Do we talk about consent? I mean, there's one school Yale 1881 01:54:29,790 --> 01:54:33,000 University they talked about consent should just be yes or 1882 01:54:33,000 --> 01:54:37,380 no, it should be an enthusiastic Yes. Right. So how much are we 1883 01:54:37,380 --> 01:54:39,780 having, you know how I think we need to have more of those 1884 01:54:39,780 --> 01:54:43,170 conversations from from kids going through school and on up 1885 01:54:43,200 --> 01:54:46,590 and that will help the dialogue and could help how women and men 1886 01:54:46,590 --> 01:54:48,030 feel moving forward. 1887 01:54:48,180 --> 01:54:52,050 Okay. So here is the danger. And it's very important to me 1888 01:54:52,050 --> 01:54:58,860 because of our show. If this moves to a, a point where of 1889 01:54:58,860 --> 01:55:03,480 course no No abuse is acceptable. absurd and physical 1890 01:55:03,480 --> 01:55:07,680 abuse. Absolutely not for anybody. But there is a point 1891 01:55:07,710 --> 01:55:14,100 where I'm worried that you will be condemned for saying, Oh, 1892 01:55:14,100 --> 01:55:17,760 here you go. Hey, John, Is she hot? This is what I always say. 1893 01:55:18,120 --> 01:55:21,360 You say this constantly. But I also say about men, but that's 1894 01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:23,700 beside the point. You don't say it that much 1895 01:55:23,700 --> 01:55:24,720 about men agree? 1896 01:55:26,550 --> 01:55:28,200 Because that they have to be younger. 1897 01:55:28,560 --> 01:55:32,550 Yeah, no, now you're on misogynistic creep. Well, she's 1898 01:55:32,550 --> 01:55:33,330 hot. 1899 01:55:33,690 --> 01:55:37,020 And, and you know, and this then gets into 1900 01:55:37,050 --> 01:55:41,160 Is she hot? always asked me yeah, I'm suppose you know I am. 1901 01:55:41,160 --> 01:55:41,400 Or 1902 01:55:41,400 --> 01:55:45,390 I'll say she's hot or whatever. But I also talked about, 1903 01:55:45,600 --> 01:55:48,360 here's another interesting situation, which is created by 1904 01:55:48,360 --> 01:55:53,520 this. You say? Is she hot? And it's somebody we know. And I am 1905 01:55:53,640 --> 01:55:56,490 thinking, well, she's kind of odd, I guess. I mean, I've never 1906 01:55:56,490 --> 01:55:59,400 thought about it that way. But I can't say that. No, because then 1907 01:55:59,400 --> 01:56:03,630 she'll be pissed. Because I didn't agree that that she was 1908 01:56:03,630 --> 01:56:06,390 hot, even though women don't like it. Well, you recall I had 1909 01:56:06,510 --> 01:56:10,020 you remember the comes a very convoluted situation. I think we 1910 01:56:10,020 --> 01:56:13,230 should just stop talking about women altogether. No, that's all 1911 01:56:13,230 --> 01:56:14,130 he saw that No. 1912 01:56:16,110 --> 01:56:24,600 Well, so the only thing I'm missing here is and I hope it 1913 01:56:24,600 --> 01:56:31,770 comes up. But there is an entire industry based upon 12 to 15 1914 01:56:31,770 --> 01:56:36,180 year old, predominantly white girls buying music from hip hop 1915 01:56:36,180 --> 01:56:42,060 artists. And I beg you to now go listen to these lyrics. 1916 01:56:42,180 --> 01:56:45,120 Right? They're misogynistic. Completely. Yeah, out of 1917 01:56:45,120 --> 01:56:45,660 control. 1918 01:56:45,690 --> 01:56:49,890 So are we now going to ban or are we going to banned Jay Z and 1919 01:56:49,890 --> 01:56:52,080 Kanye and and 1920 01:56:53,370 --> 01:56:56,250 this Congressman's Khalifa. So I think you're absolutely correct. 1921 01:56:56,250 --> 01:57:00,090 In your original assumption. This is about Hillary. It's not 1922 01:57:00,090 --> 01:57:03,660 about anything else. It's about Hillary even though I think a 1923 01:57:03,660 --> 01:57:05,760 lot of people aren't necessarily thinking it's about Hillary as 1924 01:57:05,760 --> 01:57:09,000 they do it. But that black guy sure is. When he goes on about 1925 01:57:09,000 --> 01:57:12,870 rape culture, it's rape culture, is bull crap. What kind of rape 1926 01:57:12,870 --> 01:57:15,090 culture is he talking about? I'm not living in a rape culture 1927 01:57:15,090 --> 01:57:18,600 here in the little town I'm in nobody gets raped here. It's not 1928 01:57:18,600 --> 01:57:21,660 a rape culture. So this guy, but that's a Hillary thing. Because 1929 01:57:21,660 --> 01:57:24,660 you know, the say that I would say this right now that blacks 1930 01:57:24,660 --> 01:57:28,320 who are all in with Obama, he's can do no wrong, huge population 1931 01:57:28,320 --> 01:57:31,200 of blacks, and is very few independent black thinkers. They 1932 01:57:31,200 --> 01:57:34,470 all just all in Democrat, they all love Hillary, we talked 1933 01:57:34,530 --> 01:57:37,260 about this before I was in Oakland. And I went past the guy 1934 01:57:37,260 --> 01:57:40,080 selling some, you know, some stuff on the street, and the old 1935 01:57:40,080 --> 01:57:44,100 guy there had a Hillary button on. And then we talked about 1936 01:57:44,100 --> 01:57:47,130 this guy, and we chatted with him about Hillary. And I don't 1937 01:57:47,130 --> 01:57:50,520 know whether even being on Elizabeth Warren they seem to be 1938 01:57:50,520 --> 01:57:53,460 a somehow when Bill Clinton claimed he was the first black 1939 01:57:53,460 --> 01:57:58,590 president. I guess that was all it took. Whatever the case is, 1940 01:57:58,590 --> 01:58:02,790 that's what this guy's doing. He's just a Hillary person. I 1941 01:58:02,910 --> 01:58:04,920 don't like all this Hillary stuff I don't think he's going 1942 01:58:04,920 --> 01:58:07,560 to do they're trying to do like I said, a minute ago, they're 1943 01:58:07,560 --> 01:58:10,020 marginalising Elizabeth Warren, and there's no candidate is 1944 01:58:10,020 --> 01:58:11,130 going to run against Hillary. 1945 01:58:14,160 --> 01:58:18,780 Well, I celebrate women in all aspects, their intelligence, 1946 01:58:18,810 --> 01:58:25,320 their beauty, their powers to give life. And I celebrate that 1947 01:58:25,320 --> 01:58:29,190 by saying exactly the way I feel about it. And I will continue to 1948 01:58:29,190 --> 01:58:32,790 do that. Well, you don't have any suits telling you to stop. 1949 01:58:32,820 --> 01:58:33,690 That's also true. 1950 01:58:35,340 --> 01:58:40,740 But I do get worried. But also, I do think there was something 1951 01:58:40,740 --> 01:58:46,470 very beautiful about women who were afraid to say, Hey, I've 1952 01:58:46,470 --> 01:58:49,860 been abused. There was a lot of that. I mean, I was a little 1953 01:58:49,860 --> 01:58:53,100 touched and you know, by women saying, Oh, no touch a lot. 1954 01:58:53,100 --> 01:58:57,030 Actually. You know, I was abused by a friend, a family member. 1955 01:58:57,030 --> 01:58:59,400 There's a lot of fucking there's a lot of that out there. John, 1956 01:58:59,400 --> 01:59:04,410 there's a lot that is really not being discussed. And that's a 1957 01:59:04,410 --> 01:59:09,720 conversation Yeah. That there is a lot of that. It is not just 1958 01:59:09,720 --> 01:59:15,600 women of course but holy cow. There's a lot of women in my 1959 01:59:15,600 --> 01:59:16,590 life who I know 1960 01:59:18,600 --> 01:59:21,150 well, how's this new or different from the paedophile 1961 01:59:21,150 --> 01:59:26,460 scandals that you have been discussing in the in Holland and 1962 01:59:26,460 --> 01:59:31,440 England and the guys who were trying minister was taking kids 1963 01:59:31,440 --> 01:59:32,610 on a boat and killing him? 1964 01:59:33,060 --> 01:59:36,750 Well, in fact is not different. You look at the Catholic Church 1965 01:59:36,750 --> 01:59:40,650 scandals. People were so are these victims were so afraid to 1966 01:59:40,920 --> 01:59:44,070 say this to admit this that it's, you know, come out decades 1967 01:59:44,070 --> 01:59:47,010 later, when you all did you know, the guy's dead or 1968 01:59:47,010 --> 01:59:49,950 whatever. And you know, that can be swept under the rug. And it's 1969 01:59:49,950 --> 01:59:54,900 very hard for, for people to come for anyone but women, 1970 01:59:54,900 --> 02:00:01,080 certainly in particular to come forward and say this. So I'm No, 1971 02:00:01,830 --> 02:00:05,250 I don't know where this is going to go. I have no I have no clue. 1972 02:00:05,760 --> 02:00:10,590 I feel sad that that the so called conversation is 1973 02:00:10,620 --> 02:00:14,430 essentially being politicised to get people to vote for Hillary. 1974 02:00:15,060 --> 02:00:17,970 Because that I agree. That's, that's it. That's everything I'm 1975 02:00:17,970 --> 02:00:20,340 hearing. And there's two other things that are happening with 1976 02:00:20,340 --> 02:00:23,700 this one is, and this was salon magazine, it should 1977 02:00:23,700 --> 02:00:26,550 mention Hillary is going to do nothing for anyone now in that 1978 02:00:26,550 --> 02:00:27,090 regard. 1979 02:00:27,839 --> 02:00:36,209 Who wrote this? This was in salon magazine written by ah, 1980 02:00:36,749 --> 02:00:41,999 Brittany Cooper, and Brittany Cooper says this is a white guy 1981 02:00:42,059 --> 02:00:47,219 problem, a young white men problem. So we've, in a way it's 1982 02:00:47,219 --> 02:00:50,339 true, if this was a black man, then this would have been, you 1983 02:00:50,339 --> 02:00:53,459 know, a thug. If it was a Muslim it would have been a terrorist. 1984 02:00:54,509 --> 02:00:58,559 And now it's a white guy, so we have to bring them into the fold 1985 02:01:00,269 --> 02:01:04,829 and this is also of course being seen as terrorism which is very 1986 02:01:04,829 --> 02:01:10,349 dangerous. You'll hear this more and more by saying you know, 1987 02:01:10,349 --> 02:01:12,959 let's just be honest about it. This is terrorism and of course 1988 02:01:12,959 --> 02:01:18,029 if you categorise misogyny as terrorism then you can prosecute 1989 02:01:18,029 --> 02:01:21,059 someone in different ways and I don't know nothing good comes 1990 02:01:21,059 --> 02:01:21,539 from this 1991 02:01:21,570 --> 02:01:24,420 at the end of the day it becomes an attack on free speech. 1992 02:01:25,140 --> 02:01:29,340 Ultimately well then that that is that is yeah, it's it's 1993 02:01:29,340 --> 02:01:35,070 always an attack on free speech. Now bullying being mean. 1994 02:01:37,770 --> 02:01:42,840 Yeah, being mean saying mean things. That's a that's 1995 02:01:43,590 --> 02:01:46,290 terrorism. It seems to me. Yeah. 1996 02:01:46,860 --> 02:01:49,650 Yeah. Being being mean, your terrorist. 1997 02:01:50,970 --> 02:01:54,990 Meanwhile, this is going on play the burglar clip. Okay, 1998 02:01:55,350 --> 02:01:58,110 cracking down a burglar surveillance photos from Friday 1999 02:01:58,110 --> 02:02:01,830 night shows the burglar inside a business on the 200 block of 2000 02:02:01,830 --> 02:02:06,360 Castro Street. He broke in and stole $700 police estimate his 2001 02:02:06,360 --> 02:02:09,480 age at 60 to maybe 70 years old. 2002 02:02:11,010 --> 02:02:14,760 Does anybody find that disturbing? Yeah. 70 year old 2003 02:02:14,760 --> 02:02:17,760 man has to steal 700 bucks because of whatever I don't 2004 02:02:17,760 --> 02:02:19,980 know. Maybe you know, so yeah. Hungry, 2005 02:02:19,980 --> 02:02:22,110 Hungry. very pathetic. Hungry. 2006 02:02:23,430 --> 02:02:26,340 Okay, I have another audio. Actually, we may want to take a 2007 02:02:26,340 --> 02:02:29,790 break. Well, I can give you an odd clip. But I've got I'll save 2008 02:02:29,790 --> 02:02:29,970 it. 2009 02:02:30,090 --> 02:02:32,820 I was before that. I was going to mention to 2010 02:02:33,150 --> 02:02:35,130 know actually, let's play this clip because this does actually 2011 02:02:35,130 --> 02:02:37,950 have something to do with what you just were talking about. And 2012 02:02:37,950 --> 02:02:42,840 in an offhanded way, the Hillary way. Way the Christine Lagarde 2013 02:02:42,840 --> 02:02:43,230 clip? 2014 02:02:43,290 --> 02:02:45,420 Ah disturbing. Oh, yes. 2015 02:02:45,840 --> 02:02:48,540 There's people talking as well that Christine Lagarde could be 2016 02:02:48,540 --> 02:02:50,490 the next president of the European Commission. It would be 2017 02:02:50,490 --> 02:02:52,770 hard for the European Parliament not to endorse her as she's a 2018 02:02:52,770 --> 02:02:57,390 woman. It will be hard to not endorse her because she's a 2019 02:02:57,390 --> 02:02:59,250 woman. Yes. Wow. 2020 02:02:59,340 --> 02:03:03,030 Is that a little sexist? Or am I just imagining things? Well, all 2021 02:03:03,030 --> 02:03:03,150 you 2022 02:03:03,150 --> 02:03:09,540 have to do is just place in the word, Black, Latino, male, 2023 02:03:09,570 --> 02:03:12,840 anything and turn it around? And yes, of course, of course. It's 2024 02:03:12,840 --> 02:03:16,950 racist and sexist. And it's, it's the way the world is going. 2025 02:03:16,950 --> 02:03:18,780 We need to have a conversation about this. 2026 02:03:20,580 --> 02:03:22,800 Yeah, okay. Christine Lagarde, who, 2027 02:03:22,800 --> 02:03:27,870 by the way is in court right now. This is not being covered 2028 02:03:27,870 --> 02:03:31,800 very well for insurance. This was the embezzlement fraud case 2029 02:03:31,800 --> 02:03:39,450 when she was in. She was the finance minister of France. She 2030 02:03:39,450 --> 02:03:43,110 can actually serve time for this. When she was Sarkozy's 2031 02:03:43,110 --> 02:03:49,050 finance minister. She authorised a 270 million euro payout of 300 2032 02:03:49,050 --> 02:03:55,950 million euro payout to one of Sarkozy supporters Benar toppy 2033 02:03:55,980 --> 02:04:03,330 Tapie who there was something some lawsuit and she essentially 2034 02:04:04,650 --> 02:04:08,760 I think it was he was he claimed he a credit Leon a bank had 2035 02:04:08,760 --> 02:04:16,020 cheated him. When when when they sold his sports Empire or 2036 02:04:16,020 --> 02:04:19,350 something like that. And this went all the way then was this 2037 02:04:19,350 --> 02:04:25,920 one up pretty high and then eventually, she made sure that 2038 02:04:25,920 --> 02:04:28,680 he got paid off but then he used a lot of that money to help get 2039 02:04:28,680 --> 02:04:33,060 Sarkozy reelected that's kind of ate in a nutshell. And this is 2040 02:04:33,060 --> 02:04:33,900 not being covered. 2041 02:04:34,710 --> 02:04:37,590 He stuff going on when Sarkozy was getting well yeah, and you 2042 02:04:37,590 --> 02:04:41,940 had the woman from the was the fashion empire was who was that? 2043 02:04:41,940 --> 02:04:46,380 Remember? She also was slipping money to him? A lot of stuff got 2044 02:04:46,380 --> 02:04:49,440 it, but this is not really being covered because I don't know. As 2045 02:04:49,440 --> 02:04:52,830 a woman you can't apparently what new surface 2046 02:04:52,830 --> 02:04:55,290 was that? That said that? That was France 24 2047 02:04:56,310 --> 02:04:59,070 Then the French would know I guess I'm gonna 2048 02:04:59,070 --> 02:05:02,790 show my mood. I donate to no agenda. I imagine all the people 2049 02:05:02,790 --> 02:05:04,800 who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fun. 2050 02:05:11,610 --> 02:05:14,370 Before you start, John, I'd like to just read a couple of notes 2051 02:05:14,370 --> 02:05:18,120 that I have leftover from when we came back from Japan. From 2052 02:05:18,120 --> 02:05:25,320 stuff that came to the house. Max turnquist, who sent us a 2053 02:05:25,620 --> 02:05:29,670 bottle of wine. Here's the note. I'm not sure what I would do 2054 02:05:29,670 --> 02:05:32,370 without my twice weekly dose of reason from the guardians of 2055 02:05:32,370 --> 02:05:34,380 reality, handwritten notes by the way, this is why we read 2056 02:05:34,380 --> 02:05:37,260 them. I started listening in November and 2012 sequestered 2057 02:05:37,260 --> 02:05:41,970 for most human contact, while toiling in a remote particle 2058 02:05:41,970 --> 02:05:49,890 accelerator. Then as I now then, as now I made barely enough to 2059 02:05:49,890 --> 02:05:53,070 feed myself, let alone donate to the best podcast the universe. 2060 02:05:53,070 --> 02:05:57,600 I'm currently trying to adjust this, as you are owed some value 2061 02:05:57,600 --> 02:06:00,450 for value for the plethora of information you've given me. I 2062 02:06:00,450 --> 02:06:04,380 recently was afforded some time my family's ancestral castle in 2063 02:06:04,410 --> 02:06:09,900 frickin housing in mine in Germany. This is this small 2064 02:06:09,900 --> 02:06:12,450 hamlet is one of the best locations for a vineyard I've 2065 02:06:12,450 --> 02:06:14,910 ever seen. Accompanying this letter should be a check for 2066 02:06:14,910 --> 02:06:19,140 $50.33 Yes, we have that and a bottle of frickin housings I 2067 02:06:19,140 --> 02:06:22,980 guess. Finest Did you receive your bottle John? Yeah. Have you 2068 02:06:22,980 --> 02:06:23,550 tried it yet? 2069 02:06:23,910 --> 02:06:26,490 No, no, it's very decorative little bottle with that old 2070 02:06:26,490 --> 02:06:29,160 fashioned style that rounds beautiful. Yeah, 2071 02:06:29,190 --> 02:06:33,840 that kind of like an old Frank and Riesling. So appreciate 2072 02:06:33,840 --> 02:06:37,650 that. And the check and you try it yours? No, no, no, no, no, 2073 02:06:37,650 --> 02:06:38,730 it's ready to go though. 2074 02:06:39,510 --> 02:06:41,670 This is frigerators she had to refrigerate it. 2075 02:06:42,030 --> 02:06:46,200 Oh you do? Oh, thank you for telling me. This is from Sarah 2076 02:06:46,200 --> 02:06:48,360 I've been listening to the show since my boyfriend hit me in the 2077 02:06:48,360 --> 02:06:52,410 mouth a few months ago I find it relieving to hear all the 2078 02:06:52,410 --> 02:06:55,860 douchebag I guess it relieving to hear the douchebaggery and 2079 02:06:55,860 --> 02:06:58,860 double talk and bullshit ripped apart and laughed at haha 2080 02:06:59,070 --> 02:07:03,150 pointed out and for the twisted self interest self righteous 2081 02:07:03,150 --> 02:07:07,110 propaganda that it is I've always had a hard time taking in 2082 02:07:07,110 --> 02:07:10,260 the mainstream media I could only take keeping up with it for 2083 02:07:10,260 --> 02:07:13,890 a few days before getting depressed and crying giving up 2084 02:07:13,920 --> 02:07:19,770 no agenda to the rescue. Yeah, if you ever need a pad or a meal 2085 02:07:19,770 --> 02:07:23,430 or a drink on the beach in Vancouver the missus to please 2086 02:07:23,430 --> 02:07:26,640 hit us up but best podcast in the world in the morning from 2087 02:07:26,640 --> 02:07:31,770 Sarah. Yes the embroidery is a token of my respect and 2088 02:07:31,770 --> 02:07:34,500 appreciation which is very beautiful. It's like it's like a 2089 02:07:34,950 --> 02:07:40,800 mic windscreen with no agenda on it and crackpot with a whale 2090 02:07:40,800 --> 02:07:49,140 apparently. And then finally, we have Adam here for oh, this is 2091 02:07:49,140 --> 02:07:54,810 from Danny grey. From simply rugged. And he made me a holster 2092 02:07:54,840 --> 02:07:57,510 this is this outfit makes holsters. Were they making you a 2093 02:07:57,510 --> 02:07:58,470 belt I believe. 2094 02:07:59,880 --> 02:08:02,220 Yeah, yeah, I was just I just wanted a 2095 02:08:02,220 --> 02:08:06,450 belt and just needs to he needs to use your size. Yeah, that's I 2096 02:08:06,450 --> 02:08:09,720 knew there was something that he sent me this beautiful holster 2097 02:08:09,720 --> 02:08:12,690 which he made specifically for the judge and it fits like a 2098 02:08:12,690 --> 02:08:15,630 glove. Beautiful that simply rugged. 2099 02:08:16,050 --> 02:08:19,440 So you can walk around town now. Yeah. 2100 02:08:19,470 --> 02:08:22,590 Oh yeah, that's great. Simply raga.com and also attached to 2101 02:08:22,950 --> 02:08:27,000 320 so that for $60 We appreciate that you are part of 2102 02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:30,390 the show as well. It's no it's really it's a beautiful holster. 2103 02:08:31,350 --> 02:08:33,810 I love it. Really appreciate it's always nice to come home to 2104 02:08:33,810 --> 02:08:38,400 gifts like that. It's cool. And that is everything that came in. 2105 02:08:38,430 --> 02:08:41,430 I've been keeping Sentara Japan trip that came in. 2106 02:08:43,140 --> 02:08:47,220 Okay, well we do have a few people to thank for show. Six to 2107 02:08:47,220 --> 02:08:52,470 one, including Lucas XUA who is under $77.09 sisters takes him 2108 02:08:52,470 --> 02:08:56,940 the night and nice. He wants to need a nightmare. Well last 2109 02:08:57,360 --> 02:09:01,290 night we'll give him some jobs jobs jobs don't eat me Hillary 2110 02:09:01,290 --> 02:09:06,150 Shut up slave karma for his fiancee. If you don't mind. 2111 02:09:06,750 --> 02:09:15,720 Yes. Let me see where is now didn't we just have this and we 2112 02:09:15,720 --> 02:09:23,070 got jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs 2113 02:09:29,760 --> 02:09:38,340 it's coming back. Milliman. $150 from Longmont, Colorado, it came 2114 02:09:38,340 --> 02:09:43,560 in as a check. The Phillips Zirin came in as a bank transfer 2115 02:09:43,560 --> 02:09:49,290 and he says $122.33 I think he's from Switzerland. And he said, 2116 02:09:49,500 --> 02:09:52,860 he just thinks we have the most fantastic show ever. And that 2117 02:09:52,860 --> 02:09:57,270 came in over the I have to go to the bank to get the details on 2118 02:09:57,270 --> 02:09:59,820 these things. And this This one came with this little note which 2119 02:09:59,820 --> 02:10:02,280 was cut off saying thanks. Thanks for all the great work 2120 02:10:02,280 --> 02:10:05,160 you do. And the bank tellers going this is interesting. I 2121 02:10:05,160 --> 02:10:08,130 didn't know you could put a note on a bank transfer. Ah, but 2122 02:10:08,130 --> 02:10:08,850 apparently you can 2123 02:10:08,880 --> 02:10:12,210 Yes. You know you can. I know you can. Woods woods 2124 02:10:12,210 --> 02:10:16,200 in Westbury, New York $100 I'm back. I think with some reason 2125 02:10:16,200 --> 02:10:19,170 as for a douche bag call out for the douchebag that stole my 2126 02:10:19,170 --> 02:10:23,760 credit card, douche bag, but she doesn't. It's better for you 2127 02:10:23,760 --> 02:10:25,920 have a name attached to the douchebaggery I believe 2128 02:10:26,730 --> 02:10:30,270 Sarah grew up on he also needs an F cancer for his buddy and I 2129 02:10:30,270 --> 02:10:31,350 do like to do the 2130 02:10:36,870 --> 02:10:40,440 now sir, sir Sarah Greer. She sent in a note that came to me 2131 02:10:40,470 --> 02:10:44,400 too late for the spreadsheet. She is from chick shinny where 2132 02:10:44,400 --> 02:10:47,670 we stayed during our Hot Pockets tour right 9696 And she has a 2133 02:10:47,670 --> 02:10:51,060 note head over there I just donated to and no agenda but I 2134 02:10:51,060 --> 02:10:55,350 want to dedicate it to my best friend, best partner, best lover 2135 02:10:55,470 --> 02:11:00,930 and best guide as it is Michael Greer's 40th birthday today. I 2136 02:11:00,930 --> 02:11:03,360 goofed it up and didn't get the message attached to donation. So 2137 02:11:03,360 --> 02:11:07,140 I put it on a list on the list and she says many thanks and hi 2138 02:11:07,140 --> 02:11:08,430 to you in the loveliness Makey. 2139 02:11:09,179 --> 02:11:12,629 We have a another birthday call from Christine Zachman will be 2140 02:11:12,629 --> 02:11:18,809 on the list 7777 and lost wages in Nevada. Tim Connor is $77 2141 02:11:18,809 --> 02:11:23,879 from Edmonton Alberta where all the money is Scott Mike by the 2142 02:11:23,879 --> 02:11:26,609 way I was talking to my wife about this driving around and 2143 02:11:26,609 --> 02:11:29,189 somebody was on the radio somebody Alberta now when anyone 2144 02:11:29,189 --> 02:11:32,579 says Alberta I cannot not say to myself where all the money all 2145 02:11:32,579 --> 02:11:36,989 the money is. And I explained to her to say you're crazy. Hey, 2146 02:11:37,409 --> 02:11:41,249 got Montgomery 75 bucks Sydney BC that's a sign of sevens 2147 02:11:41,250 --> 02:11:43,470 by the way. This Christine put in there 2148 02:11:45,000 --> 02:11:48,450 as Alan Adler is 7373 and Rolling Hills California. 2149 02:11:49,170 --> 02:11:51,870 Got the ham donation Scott Scoggin 2150 02:11:51,870 --> 02:11:56,820 is 6969 in Fort Worth right up the street from you, Texas David 2151 02:11:56,820 --> 02:12:04,140 Hillman Fargo, North Dakota 6809 Marla Rio Mario Baptista, in 2152 02:12:04,140 --> 02:12:08,820 your Hannah's Burg South Africa, Johannesburg Joburg as they call 2153 02:12:08,820 --> 02:12:09,540 it in the area 2154 02:12:09,570 --> 02:12:13,620 he wants to he wants to de douching which I'll give you 2155 02:12:19,020 --> 02:12:26,280 David schardt time from Sydney do some comments and insulting 2156 02:12:26,280 --> 02:12:30,360 comment I'm not going to read it. P Janssen in address city 2157 02:12:30,360 --> 02:12:37,170 5621 Why not? Address city we know we're not reading these 2158 02:12:37,170 --> 02:12:42,210 things. Address city Holland is that right address city 2159 02:12:42,780 --> 02:12:48,420 I think that that looks like a combination of the Dutch word 2160 02:12:48,420 --> 02:12:54,450 for address and city and somehow he only somehow filled out the 2161 02:12:54,480 --> 02:12:59,760 PayPal field with address city I don't think it's I'm not 2162 02:12:59,760 --> 02:13:00,210 familiar 2163 02:13:00,600 --> 02:13:03,390 I get it address and city Yes. I 2164 02:13:03,390 --> 02:13:05,910 don't think it's a an actual place in the Netherlands that 2165 02:13:05,910 --> 02:13:09,480 I'm familiar like your city address, address, address city 2166 02:13:09,510 --> 02:13:12,480 address city there you go address city its new address the 2167 02:13:12,900 --> 02:13:15,840 he does have something funny to say in my defence. I have a 2168 02:13:15,840 --> 02:13:18,690 condition called priapism also known as longtime Boehner. 2169 02:13:19,770 --> 02:13:25,050 Better now so I can be a donor. Okay. As funny as funny yeah. 2170 02:13:25,050 --> 02:13:25,170 Well, 2171 02:13:25,170 --> 02:13:29,160 that's because you informed of what priapism is. Yeah, 2172 02:13:29,190 --> 02:13:32,460 in fried prism is a permanent erection. It's very 2173 02:13:32,460 --> 02:13:33,990 uncomfortable, I've been told 2174 02:13:34,110 --> 02:13:36,630 or some would call it a scheduling conflict. 2175 02:13:39,030 --> 02:13:44,220 Christopher grey and Al betta abita springs Louisiana 5555 2176 02:13:45,150 --> 02:13:48,720 He's oh he donate for lessers his show for karma for selling 2177 02:13:48,720 --> 02:13:51,720 the house even though it was missed due to the Pay Pal issue. 2178 02:13:52,050 --> 02:13:54,570 Within four hours of donating I heard that the house was 2179 02:13:54,570 --> 02:13:59,790 closing. Just remate remind people there to defy 55 Daniel 2180 02:14:00,120 --> 02:14:05,220 paper I believe or I would say paper. PPI is pie 2181 02:14:05,880 --> 02:14:08,460 in European they will be paper. 2182 02:14:08,940 --> 02:14:14,190 Well he's in Omaha, Nebraska. Yeah, paper Paper a Piper. Eric 2183 02:14:14,190 --> 02:14:17,550 Newman in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Double nickels on 2184 02:14:17,550 --> 02:14:20,640 the dime. We all continue to double nickels on the dime thing 2185 02:14:20,640 --> 02:14:26,040 just for kicks. We got a few three or four not that many. Sir 2186 02:14:26,040 --> 02:14:31,170 Brian Kaufman in Phoenix, Arizona. Eric Newman in 2187 02:14:31,170 --> 02:14:35,100 Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. I think there's a note on one of 2188 02:14:35,100 --> 02:14:38,400 these one of the spreadsheet just kind of blew up. Hang on a 2189 02:14:38,400 --> 02:14:42,600 second. Okay. Did you have this problem where the I have? No, I 2190 02:14:42,600 --> 02:14:45,120 have Brian Kaufman. Well, who's on 2191 02:14:45,120 --> 02:14:50,610 23 on line 23 Luke Mudge. I got none of this blank 20 fours of 2192 02:14:50,610 --> 02:14:51,030 blank. 2193 02:14:51,390 --> 02:14:54,000 Okay, so after bright Sir Brian Kaufman is that Your Will you 2194 02:14:54,000 --> 02:14:54,420 lose it? 2195 02:14:55,050 --> 02:14:57,210 I got nothing after Brian Kaufman. I got a bunch of 2196 02:14:57,210 --> 02:14:57,990 blanks. Okay. 2197 02:14:58,680 --> 02:15:03,240 Look mage, Dominic was on the Hi, I'm Denver, Colorado. Got 2198 02:15:03,240 --> 02:15:06,180 the knowledge and newsletter and today knows my birthday June 15. 2199 02:15:06,180 --> 02:15:09,840 Is John's prediction for the next six week cycle. Yay. Hey. 2200 02:15:10,350 --> 02:15:13,230 And he also asked for birthday shout on the 15th you gotta 2201 02:15:13,230 --> 02:15:15,660 write his back about the birthday shout yes, no, it 2202 02:15:15,660 --> 02:15:17,670 doesn't work in advance. It's very 2203 02:15:17,670 --> 02:15:20,190 hard to try and go the spreadsheet. This is just renew 2204 02:15:20,190 --> 02:15:21,960 William LROC from Lucas, 2205 02:15:21,960 --> 02:15:25,680 North Carolina in the morning romancey where police drones 2206 02:15:25,680 --> 02:15:29,280 will be able to photograph any public gathering you Oh, Thomas 2207 02:15:29,280 --> 02:15:34,950 Weah from nervousness in Norway. Double nickels on the dime. This 2208 02:15:34,950 --> 02:15:37,140 is a we had a big double nickel on the dime push for the 2209 02:15:37,140 --> 02:15:40,860 newsletter. Which we're resurrecting Sir Andrew Harris 2210 02:15:40,860 --> 02:15:47,310 from Durham and see. Okay, got it, Charlie, zero. Whiskey. I 2211 02:15:47,310 --> 02:15:48,180 can't read it. 2212 02:15:48,930 --> 02:15:55,830 See it Kansas City zeroed World War Two. Yeah. Samuel 2213 02:15:55,830 --> 02:15:59,310 Lichtenstein in New York City, New York. City. 510 is all 2214 02:15:59,310 --> 02:16:01,680 double nickels on the dime. Christopher Pearson Pasadena, 2215 02:16:01,680 --> 02:16:05,940 California sir Dean Bertram Baron of someplace or other you 2216 02:16:05,940 --> 02:16:10,800 spread that out. Gold Coast. Oh, the Gold Coast and drew 2217 02:16:10,800 --> 02:16:17,490 Salzburger in ALF Rua, after. After Deutsche Deutschland? 2218 02:16:17,490 --> 02:16:20,220 Yeah. Ben Smith in Greenville, Texas. 2219 02:16:21,480 --> 02:16:23,550 He's not on the list either. He says he's giving himself a 2220 02:16:23,550 --> 02:16:27,690 birthday. Present. Okay, we'll put him on hormones. Ben Smith. 2221 02:16:27,690 --> 02:16:33,300 Come on Eric. Ben Smith. 529. Okay. 2222 02:16:35,250 --> 02:16:41,520 Eric Hokulea in Berlin Deutschland John Claude Schmid 2223 02:16:41,880 --> 02:16:45,720 in Irvine, California. And then we have $50 donations from 2224 02:16:45,720 --> 02:16:49,410 Robert Yetter in Denver, Timothy Kiernan in in Bellevue, 2225 02:16:49,410 --> 02:16:53,220 Michigan, Charles Anderson and cranberry New Jersey. David 2226 02:16:53,220 --> 02:16:57,960 Duvall in front Front Royal, Virginia. Peter totake. Hayes, 2227 02:16:58,410 --> 02:17:02,640 from Parts Unknown shad rich and Bendigo. In Seattle, Washington 2228 02:17:02,640 --> 02:17:08,460 finally, are famous, anonymous, lesbian. Oh, from parts unknown 2229 02:17:08,460 --> 02:17:13,350 who comes in with another nice nice $50 donation with a smiley 2230 02:17:13,350 --> 02:17:16,380 face no real long note this time. I do want to read Eric 2231 02:17:16,380 --> 02:17:18,810 Newman's note, because I thought it was kind of interesting. 2232 02:17:20,550 --> 02:17:22,320 Enclosed double nickels on the dime donation for your 2233 02:17:22,320 --> 02:17:25,200 miraculous work producing no agenda. People have said this 2234 02:17:25,200 --> 02:17:29,640 show offers sanity. And this reminds me because our anonymous 2235 02:17:29,640 --> 02:17:32,220 lesbian always writes sanity down in the memo at the bottom 2236 02:17:32,220 --> 02:17:37,020 of the check. This show offers sanity to me it offers much more 2237 02:17:37,020 --> 02:17:40,200 than that. It provides my essential mental programming and 2238 02:17:40,200 --> 02:17:43,140 counter programming needed to survive the propaganda stick 2239 02:17:43,140 --> 02:17:47,880 media hellscape of the 21st century. I have to admit, I 2240 02:17:47,880 --> 02:17:53,010 listen to each show repeatedly, probably for full time start to 2241 02:17:53,010 --> 02:17:58,920 finish. Wow. We don't even do that. squeezing out every last 2242 02:17:58,920 --> 02:18:03,480 minute of no agendas, juicy goodness. The best example I can 2243 02:18:03,480 --> 02:18:05,970 give of your analysis on net neutrality. You guys are the 2244 02:18:05,970 --> 02:18:08,730 only news outlet. I've actually heard play a clip of Brian 2245 02:18:08,730 --> 02:18:12,360 Roberts, Comcast CEO talking about Comcast plan tiered data 2246 02:18:12,360 --> 02:18:16,320 service model, and how much like life classes of packets must 2247 02:18:16,350 --> 02:18:20,670 much like classes of people must be treated differently to manage 2248 02:18:20,670 --> 02:18:24,270 effective flow through the network or society. It was also 2249 02:18:24,270 --> 02:18:27,420 nice to hear with real examples that this was not just another 2250 02:18:27,420 --> 02:18:31,710 example of corporate collusion to screw consumers and Leo 2251 02:18:31,710 --> 02:18:35,940 Laporte out of bandwidth, but more of a transition to a pay 2252 02:18:35,940 --> 02:18:40,200 for what you use model. My biggest problem is what happens 2253 02:18:40,200 --> 02:18:43,170 when you have to repeatedly download gigabytes of updates 2254 02:18:43,170 --> 02:18:47,070 for Windows to consumers. Yeah, very, 2255 02:18:47,099 --> 02:18:48,449 very good question. 2256 02:18:48,629 --> 02:18:51,449 Good question. Sorry for the rant but I just wanted to share 2257 02:18:51,449 --> 02:18:54,179 my love and value with the best podcast in the universe that 2258 02:18:54,179 --> 02:18:56,879 also appreciate some client karma from a hardest working web 2259 02:18:56,879 --> 02:19:00,359 designer in Pennsylvania. And he has a birthday we have you on 2260 02:19:00,359 --> 02:19:01,709 the birthday list client karma 2261 02:19:01,710 --> 02:19:06,900 on his way right here for you my friend. You've got but that's 2262 02:19:06,900 --> 02:19:10,380 very that's actually a I did have a I was actually going to 2263 02:19:10,410 --> 02:19:14,850 give are you doing twit Today? Today? Yeah. No, because today 2264 02:19:14,850 --> 02:19:18,300 is Thursday. Yeah, lets you know that. You can still go up there. 2265 02:19:18,300 --> 02:19:19,590 If you want. See if they'll have you 2266 02:19:19,620 --> 02:19:21,900 well actually have a lot there. I would go to the there's a 2267 02:19:21,900 --> 02:19:28,050 great meat market in the area of Petaluma that's not open on 2268 02:19:28,050 --> 02:19:30,720 Sunday and I go irks me. Well, I 2269 02:19:30,750 --> 02:19:33,660 know. I'll get to it right after we do the we do have a knighting 2270 02:19:33,690 --> 02:19:36,660 Thank goodness. And we got a couple of birthdays. But first 2271 02:19:36,660 --> 02:19:39,060 remind us John how much we need everybody's support. 2272 02:19:39,540 --> 02:19:42,450 We do need support, especially with the upcoming Sunday show 2273 02:19:42,450 --> 02:19:45,450 and around remind people to go to dvorak.org/and a challenge of 2274 02:19:45,450 --> 02:19:50,130 org.com/na or if you go to the no agenda show, website, no 2275 02:19:50,130 --> 02:19:53,580 agenda show.com or no agenda nation.com There's a button you 2276 02:19:53,580 --> 02:19:56,550 can push it it takes to an alternative donation site 2277 02:19:56,550 --> 02:19:58,950 doesn't have all the options but at least get you get in on 2278 02:19:58,950 --> 02:20:03,360 something you And we recommend you do that right now. Yes to 2279 02:20:03,360 --> 02:20:06,330 vorak.org/n 2280 02:20:06,390 --> 02:20:06,810 A 2281 02:20:13,469 --> 02:20:16,889 so here we go. Michael Greer Of course, celebrating today 40 2282 02:20:16,889 --> 02:20:20,339 years old and that comes from in the love of his life. Sarin rear 2283 02:20:20,339 --> 02:20:24,179 Ben Smith celebrates a two day Happy birthday to you Christine 2284 02:20:24,179 --> 02:20:27,209 Zachman says Happy Birthday to another face Dan Yeager turning 2285 02:20:27,209 --> 02:20:31,529 50 on the 31st Eric Newman will be celebrated on the 24th and 2286 02:20:31,529 --> 02:20:35,219 inshallah Claude Smith's Happy Birthday to his brother Andre 2287 02:20:35,219 --> 02:20:38,849 Schmitz. 31. On May 28, yesterday happy birthday from 2288 02:20:38,849 --> 02:20:41,729 all your buddies. 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What we've talked about 2307 02:21:52,620 --> 02:21:55,410 this diet podcast Yeah, you can lose weight listening to us 2308 02:21:55,410 --> 02:21:58,650 because you won't be just obsessing on eating chocolates 2309 02:21:58,650 --> 02:22:01,620 and sweet things to try to get through the day. We've talked 2310 02:22:01,620 --> 02:22:04,590 about this we there's so many people with this thing. realise 2311 02:22:04,590 --> 02:22:08,160 this is a weight loss show act fact, it should be listed as 2312 02:22:08,160 --> 02:22:10,200 it'd be another entry in the Podcast Awards. 2313 02:22:10,560 --> 02:22:12,720 I give Leo Laporte a lot of crap. 2314 02:22:13,530 --> 02:22:17,490 You do? Come out, you know I do. Can I Yeah, though I've let me 2315 02:22:17,520 --> 02:22:20,250 explain why to people out there listeners, because he won't 2316 02:22:20,250 --> 02:22:21,330 bring you back on the show. 2317 02:22:21,390 --> 02:22:25,560 Right. But I need to give him some props. Okay, I'd like to do 2318 02:22:25,560 --> 02:22:30,330 that in the form of a clip, which is somewhat long. From 2319 02:22:30,330 --> 02:22:35,730 security now. Steve Gibson. I have to say I was very, very, 2320 02:22:35,730 --> 02:22:38,160 very impressed with what happened. I don't even know if 2321 02:22:38,160 --> 02:22:45,060 Leo actually knows how good it was. He had a guy on Bret glass 2322 02:22:45,060 --> 02:22:51,360 I think is his name. Yeah. And he runs a wireless ISP. And this 2323 02:22:51,360 --> 02:22:54,300 Brett guy I recognise he's been around for a while I think 2324 02:22:54,300 --> 02:22:57,210 right? I know him. Tell me tell me about him. He seems like a 2325 02:22:57,360 --> 02:22:58,320 stand up guy. 2326 02:22:58,530 --> 02:23:01,050 Ya know, he's just a real down to earth guy. Destiny works for 2327 02:23:01,050 --> 02:23:01,500 a living. 2328 02:23:01,800 --> 02:23:03,510 Did you see this interview by any chance? 2329 02:23:03,540 --> 02:23:06,210 No, I did not. I'm I'm all ears. Okay, 2330 02:23:06,240 --> 02:23:10,260 so what was great about it, though, yes, and I've clipped it 2331 02:23:10,470 --> 02:23:13,860 very long. But I've clipped this down of cut out, I think cut it 2332 02:23:13,860 --> 02:23:17,850 down to the essence of what is going on. And now Brett is an 2333 02:23:17,850 --> 02:23:22,800 ISP. So he is in essence, no difference from Comcast. Other 2334 02:23:22,800 --> 02:23:26,160 than that, he doesn't have the installed base of Comcast 2335 02:23:26,160 --> 02:23:28,590 doesn't have the money that Comcast has. But he has the same 2336 02:23:28,620 --> 02:23:34,680 issues with bandwidth usage, which has skyrocketed. His 2337 02:23:34,680 --> 02:23:39,120 clients, of course, are also all using Netflix that this is the 2338 02:23:39,120 --> 02:23:43,050 real problem that has sparked this net neutrality debate which 2339 02:23:43,050 --> 02:23:49,680 got broken down into the actual issue. That is the reason why 2340 02:23:49,680 --> 02:23:52,890 we're seeing all these lobbies jump up this lobbying, which is 2341 02:23:52,890 --> 02:23:56,670 all paid for nonprofits all filtered down and completely, 2342 02:23:56,730 --> 02:24:00,870 almost untraceable. And I found the entire conversation 2343 02:24:00,870 --> 02:24:02,970 interesting, we will stop a couple times throughout the clip 2344 02:24:02,970 --> 02:24:05,940 to discuss. And let me just pick it up here. 2345 02:24:05,970 --> 02:24:08,580 If we want there to be still more competitive providers, we 2346 02:24:08,580 --> 02:24:11,370 want to be very careful about how we regulate because of the 2347 02:24:11,370 --> 02:24:14,730 regulations make it tough to start up a new business, if it 2348 02:24:14,730 --> 02:24:18,270 makes it tough to make a profit, then you're going to have fewer 2349 02:24:18,270 --> 02:24:20,550 and fewer and only large companies that have other 2350 02:24:20,550 --> 02:24:24,030 sources of revenue, like the cable companies which provide 2351 02:24:24,030 --> 02:24:24,990 you with TV. Now 2352 02:24:24,990 --> 02:24:28,800 this of course fits into our assessment of the situation is 2353 02:24:28,800 --> 02:24:32,310 of course Comcast wants to have wants to be treated as utility 2354 02:24:32,310 --> 02:24:35,010 because they're the biggest and once they're the biggest and 2355 02:24:35,010 --> 02:24:37,500 they have to have some rules which will not be all that 2356 02:24:37,500 --> 02:24:41,010 horrible for them, you know, there'll be the incumbent no 2357 02:24:41,010 --> 02:24:44,040 one's going to jump in and try and do it with fixed pricing and 2358 02:24:44,040 --> 02:24:48,030 all kinds of bullcrap. They will be the the default provider, 2359 02:24:48,300 --> 02:24:49,590 which is why they love it 2360 02:24:49,710 --> 02:24:53,550 are going to be able to provide a survive. Now, you also talked 2361 02:24:53,550 --> 02:24:57,360 about Netflix, and that's an interesting situation for our 2362 02:24:57,360 --> 02:25:01,740 ISP in particular. Our bandwidth is is very expensive, people 2363 02:25:01,740 --> 02:25:04,530 watching Netflix and believe me, this is the first thing that 2364 02:25:04,530 --> 02:25:06,990 they ask us about whenever they call and ask for service. They 2365 02:25:06,990 --> 02:25:10,830 say, Can I receive Netflix? Can I stream Netflix in HD? 2366 02:25:10,890 --> 02:25:17,220 This, by the way is very sad to hear that the internet, with all 2367 02:25:17,220 --> 02:25:21,270 his beauty and everything that has been created over decades, 2368 02:25:21,450 --> 02:25:25,290 has come down to people wanting to have Netflix, well, actually, 2369 02:25:25,290 --> 02:25:28,860 I make it more pathetic in my new speech, where it comes down 2370 02:25:28,860 --> 02:25:32,370 to Netflix did all boils down to this era of revolution, that 2371 02:25:32,370 --> 02:25:36,030 computer revolution kept boils down to Netflix and Facebook. 2372 02:25:37,620 --> 02:25:39,570 The other that is very depressing, there's 2373 02:25:39,570 --> 02:25:40,350 nothing else. 2374 02:25:40,950 --> 02:25:44,700 The differences, if you're using Facebook view are not clogging 2375 02:25:44,700 --> 02:25:48,030 up the network like you are when you are using. 2376 02:25:49,110 --> 02:25:52,380 No one's not worrying the other ones not. But that's beside the 2377 02:25:52,380 --> 02:25:52,650 point. Now 2378 02:25:52,650 --> 02:25:56,280 let's also just point out the reason people are all are so 2379 02:25:56,310 --> 02:26:00,990 into Netflix, is because it's very cost effective for your 2380 02:26:00,990 --> 02:26:04,320 Hollywood entertainment versus what the cable company has been 2381 02:26:04,320 --> 02:26:07,020 offering. If you want the full gamut and the packages, the way 2382 02:26:07,020 --> 02:26:11,640 they set it up, you're paying a minimum of $100 a month, 2383 02:26:11,640 --> 02:26:14,880 probably more. And if you can just get internet access. That's 2384 02:26:14,880 --> 02:26:17,190 what everybody wants Internet access Netflix, I've got my 2385 02:26:17,190 --> 02:26:20,550 Hollywood entertainment. And they can cut the cord on all the 2386 02:26:20,550 --> 02:26:24,630 other stuff. So obviously, this is about money. But again, it is 2387 02:26:24,630 --> 02:26:28,110 very sad that the internet, the revolution has boiled down to 2388 02:26:28,110 --> 02:26:30,630 Netflix and Facebook, thank you for depressing us 2389 02:26:30,660 --> 02:26:32,970 very first question, they won't, they will not subscribe to your 2390 02:26:32,970 --> 02:26:37,890 ISP, if you can't provide that right away, they want to be able 2391 02:26:37,890 --> 02:26:40,890 to do that. And so it's something which you must do as 2392 02:26:40,890 --> 02:26:45,060 an ISP. Netflix has the market power here. 2393 02:26:45,540 --> 02:26:48,000 If Netflix were to repay attention to what he's saying is 2394 02:26:48,000 --> 02:26:49,230 is very important to us 2395 02:26:49,230 --> 02:26:53,460 to serve our customers are somehow disadvantage our ISP, 2396 02:26:53,790 --> 02:26:57,180 they could do bad things to us, they could basically deprive us 2397 02:26:57,180 --> 02:27:00,060 of a lot of our customers not the other way around, we don't 2398 02:27:00,060 --> 02:27:03,240 have a choice, we must carry Netflix, we must make sure that 2399 02:27:03,240 --> 02:27:07,710 the quality is good. They have a choice they can they can afford 2400 02:27:07,710 --> 02:27:12,180 to either serve us well or not. Netflix recently went to 2401 02:27:12,180 --> 02:27:18,570 Comcast, a very large ISP, and they agreed to pay them money to 2402 02:27:18,630 --> 02:27:21,330 connect directly into their network, instead of going 2403 02:27:21,330 --> 02:27:24,330 through a contract Content Distribution Network, like level 2404 02:27:24,330 --> 02:27:28,350 three or Akamine go directly into their network to provide 2405 02:27:28,440 --> 02:27:30,540 higher quality service to their customers, 2406 02:27:30,570 --> 02:27:34,290 which by the way, I think I've always said, I hope that we get 2407 02:27:34,290 --> 02:27:38,550 down to multiple internet networks, where there is there 2408 02:27:38,550 --> 02:27:41,490 shouldn't be a Hollywood internet, please let there be a 2409 02:27:41,490 --> 02:27:45,570 high speed, high bandwidth thing that you connect to. That is 2410 02:27:45,570 --> 02:27:50,280 only for that. And here we are now now we have this situation 2411 02:27:50,280 --> 02:27:54,990 and and Netflix has brought themselves into the network 2412 02:27:54,990 --> 02:27:59,820 where they really do belong. No different than the set top boxes 2413 02:27:59,820 --> 02:28:01,950 that the cable companies already provide. 2414 02:28:02,100 --> 02:28:05,430 And they actually paid Comcast money to to build this out this 2415 02:28:05,430 --> 02:28:09,000 facility. And so that could happen. And so Comcast customers 2416 02:28:09,060 --> 02:28:12,450 are getting a special deal from Netflix. Well, I went and I 2417 02:28:12,450 --> 02:28:15,660 called up Netflix and I said, Okay, well, I've got an ISP too, 2418 02:28:15,690 --> 02:28:19,440 will you do the same thing for me? And they said, Oh, no, we're 2419 02:28:19,440 --> 02:28:22,050 not going to do anything like that, you are going to have to 2420 02:28:22,050 --> 02:28:25,230 pay 1000s of dollars per month to run a special connection to 2421 02:28:25,230 --> 02:28:29,700 us. And then host one of our servers in your facility, you 2422 02:28:29,700 --> 02:28:32,370 know, which is something that ISPs normally charge for the 2423 02:28:32,370 --> 02:28:33,720 customer is. 2424 02:28:34,230 --> 02:28:37,320 And so now you're seeing where this is coming down to a 2425 02:28:37,350 --> 02:28:39,030 division of money, that 2426 02:28:39,330 --> 02:28:42,660 the customer ultimately pays for everything. Anyway, all of the 2427 02:28:42,660 --> 02:28:45,120 all of the costs wind up coming back to the customer. The 2428 02:28:45,120 --> 02:28:48,330 question is of what's left, who gets to keep which part this is 2429 02:28:48,330 --> 02:28:51,750 very key. And this is what's going on really going on with 2430 02:28:51,750 --> 02:28:56,280 Netflix, Netflix. And also to a certain extent Google and Amazon 2431 02:28:56,280 --> 02:28:58,920 and all of the other large content providers Pay attention 2432 02:28:58,920 --> 02:29:03,030 now. You can play attention being called content providers 2433 02:29:03,240 --> 02:29:07,710 have set themselves up in a tug of war with ISPs over who is 2434 02:29:07,710 --> 02:29:12,270 going to get what share of the total amount of money that the 2435 02:29:12,270 --> 02:29:15,120 customer is shelling out for their internet connection and 2436 02:29:15,120 --> 02:29:18,240 for the content. People should pay in proportion to the 2437 02:29:18,240 --> 02:29:21,510 resources that they use ultimately, the customer you 2438 02:29:21,510 --> 02:29:24,870 know, the the internet customer who is streaming 24 hours a day 2439 02:29:24,870 --> 02:29:29,370 should pay more for that than the one who just uses the web 2440 02:29:29,370 --> 02:29:30,660 and email. I think we can all agree 2441 02:29:30,690 --> 02:29:32,700 we can all agree on that. That's not the issue. This is 2442 02:29:32,700 --> 02:29:35,250 interesting. All sudden everybody agrees that metered 2443 02:29:35,250 --> 02:29:36,150 bandwidth is 2444 02:29:36,690 --> 02:29:39,600 blob that's just unbelievable. To me. That's new, right? This 2445 02:29:39,600 --> 02:29:43,020 is new would be we can all agree with Chris he gave it as a 2446 02:29:43,020 --> 02:29:46,260 leading question. In fact, if you listen to these other 2447 02:29:46,260 --> 02:29:48,480 debates that have been going on for the past two or three weeks, 2448 02:29:48,600 --> 02:29:51,360 they can't all agree but now they're all agreeing Okay, fine. 2449 02:29:51,360 --> 02:29:52,410 Let's go course yeah, 2450 02:29:52,439 --> 02:29:55,799 and and most people would also like their monthly bills to be 2451 02:29:55,799 --> 02:29:59,489 predictable and fixed. This is the key people hate caps they 2452 02:29:59,489 --> 02:30:03,269 hate overage charges, they hate surprises, they really want to 2453 02:30:03,269 --> 02:30:06,389 pay a fixed amount per month for everything, whether it's their 2454 02:30:06,389 --> 02:30:11,729 ISP bill or their bill to Netflix or whoever. And so how 2455 02:30:11,729 --> 02:30:14,399 can you make both of those things happen at the same time, 2456 02:30:14,669 --> 02:30:17,579 one of one good mechanism by which this could be done is 2457 02:30:17,579 --> 02:30:20,789 what's called a two sided market. A two sided market is 2458 02:30:20,789 --> 02:30:23,999 sort of like a newspaper, where the cost of the newspaper is 2459 02:30:23,999 --> 02:30:27,209 borne in part by the subscriber who pays to get it delivered and 2460 02:30:27,209 --> 02:30:31,619 part by the advertisers who pay to to get it printed. And also, 2461 02:30:31,619 --> 02:30:33,959 when the piece of paper gets thicker, they pay more and more 2462 02:30:33,959 --> 02:30:36,719 to cover to, to cover the increased cost of printing it. 2463 02:30:37,259 --> 02:30:40,829 Well, you can have the same thing in the internet, people 2464 02:30:40,829 --> 02:30:44,609 can pay a fixed fee for their basic ISP connection. And then 2465 02:30:44,609 --> 02:30:48,869 if they decide to stream day and night, what they can do is they 2466 02:30:48,869 --> 02:30:52,709 can pay a fixed fee to the content provider like Netflix. 2467 02:30:52,829 --> 02:30:55,709 And then Netflix can pay a little bit of that back to the 2468 02:30:55,709 --> 02:30:59,699 ISP to cover the extra resources that all of this streaming 2469 02:30:59,699 --> 02:31:00,209 takes. 2470 02:31:00,390 --> 02:31:04,200 This is the this is the basic issue. And I was surprised it 2471 02:31:04,200 --> 02:31:09,390 was really nice to hear this. Brett, Brett his name. Yeah, 2472 02:31:09,390 --> 02:31:14,160 break glass. surprised to hear him explain this. So clearly, 2473 02:31:14,940 --> 02:31:18,690 this is of course flawed. But this this is the reason because 2474 02:31:18,690 --> 02:31:22,920 the cable the the the ISPs, broadband providers, 2475 02:31:22,920 --> 02:31:27,000 particularly cable companies have mistreated their customers 2476 02:31:27,000 --> 02:31:31,260 by giving them this basically a free ride for a long time. And 2477 02:31:31,260 --> 02:31:34,290 now their system is breaking down as to how how it has to be 2478 02:31:34,290 --> 02:31:42,000 paid. They don't they don't want to move to a billing model that 2479 02:31:42,000 --> 02:31:45,510 will piss people off and maybe have them look for alternatives, 2480 02:31:45,510 --> 02:31:48,060 which I think they're the alternatives are building. This 2481 02:31:48,060 --> 02:31:51,960 is why this is an issue now. And why they'd love to become a 2482 02:31:51,960 --> 02:31:56,340 utility and lock it all in. And their solution is very 2483 02:31:56,340 --> 02:31:58,410 interesting. And this is where for the first time, I'm going to 2484 02:31:58,410 --> 02:32:01,410 say Leo's on the right side of the argument. Their solution is 2485 02:32:01,410 --> 02:32:04,680 to go to the Yeah, it's the Netflix today. But of course it 2486 02:32:04,680 --> 02:32:08,340 could be twit tomorrow or anybody and say, Ananda, you've 2487 02:32:08,340 --> 02:32:11,010 got you've got to charge these people some money and give us a 2488 02:32:11,010 --> 02:32:14,940 piece of the money for the for the bandwidth. It'll be used in 2489 02:32:14,940 --> 02:32:19,860 our network. It's very interesting that this is that 2490 02:32:19,860 --> 02:32:21,390 Brett lays it out like this. 2491 02:32:25,410 --> 02:32:29,940 Well as a couple of things. I agree. I think it's, we have to 2492 02:32:29,940 --> 02:32:32,880 always remember what happened with the history of cable. 2493 02:32:35,790 --> 02:32:38,820 Either Yeah, I'm listening. Oh, I'm sorry. I just got went. So 2494 02:32:38,820 --> 02:32:41,490 silencing model is like no DBS comes, 2495 02:32:41,490 --> 02:32:44,550 you know that it's our noise gate is so good that certain 2496 02:32:44,550 --> 02:32:49,590 Bluetooth headsets, when we go quiet, they disconnect. Because 2497 02:32:49,590 --> 02:32:50,130 it's 2498 02:32:50,130 --> 02:32:52,350 an aggregate, you got to make a lot of rec, 2499 02:32:52,380 --> 02:32:55,590 it's all because it's all digital. It is zero signal. 2500 02:32:56,760 --> 02:32:59,340 When the when the cable companies began, they began a 2501 02:32:59,340 --> 02:33:02,640 CCTV, so community television 2502 02:33:03,480 --> 02:33:06,630 community antenna accessor. So yeah, community 2503 02:33:06,630 --> 02:33:08,850 and Tennessee, a TV, something like that. But it was a 2504 02:33:08,850 --> 02:33:12,270 community, somebody would set up a big antenna in the fringe area 2505 02:33:12,270 --> 02:33:16,680 of some city, like San Francisco that said, it'd be out by 2506 02:33:16,680 --> 02:33:18,930 Vacaville, they have these huge antennas, they pick up the San 2507 02:33:18,930 --> 02:33:22,650 Francisco stations, and then they did stream them over the 2508 02:33:22,650 --> 02:33:26,340 regular like a cable to the normal cable to the houses in 2509 02:33:26,340 --> 02:33:29,010 the area. Now you can all get San Francisco TV, maybe some 2510 02:33:29,010 --> 02:33:31,680 other channels. And then, of course, these these, these 2511 02:33:31,680 --> 02:33:34,620 companies came along like he has, HBO would be the 2512 02:33:34,800 --> 02:33:37,200 progenitor, all of them. And they'd come along and they add 2513 02:33:37,200 --> 02:33:40,110 some value add and make these guys business better. And you'd 2514 02:33:40,110 --> 02:33:46,440 pay the cable company would pay HBO to carry it stuff. And then 2515 02:33:46,440 --> 02:33:49,440 they could use it as a leverage as a sales pitch to sell more 2516 02:33:49,590 --> 02:33:51,930 cable and it became a big phenomenon around the country 2517 02:33:51,930 --> 02:33:54,180 with all these other guys like ESPN and people come in. And 2518 02:33:54,180 --> 02:33:57,480 certainly when they when they discovered that they could 2519 02:33:58,140 --> 02:34:00,660 insert local advertising, it became even more interesting. 2520 02:34:00,660 --> 02:34:01,740 And it took decades. 2521 02:34:02,100 --> 02:34:05,130 And it took a long time for this development. Originally it was 2522 02:34:05,160 --> 02:34:08,880 it was there was these stations like the local stations who 2523 02:34:08,880 --> 02:34:11,520 would beg these guys that you Oh, yeah, get going take us you 2524 02:34:11,520 --> 02:34:16,320 know, we it gives us bigger advertising area will pay you 2525 02:34:16,890 --> 02:34:20,640 one point they were being paid, paid the cable companies for 2526 02:34:20,640 --> 02:34:23,700 carriage. And then at some point they they got big enough that 2527 02:34:23,700 --> 02:34:27,000 they could make the cable companies pay them. Yep. So you 2528 02:34:27,000 --> 02:34:31,350 can't carry ABC unless you give them money. Yeah. And so this 2529 02:34:31,350 --> 02:34:34,980 this thing can go back and forth on who's the dog wagging the 2530 02:34:34,980 --> 02:34:37,380 tail, the tail wagging the dog and what was good about that 2531 02:34:37,380 --> 02:34:41,640 clip. It showed that Netflix is now the tail wagging the dog. 2532 02:34:41,640 --> 02:34:45,960 Yes. And that's that's a huge change. And this can be going 2533 02:34:45,960 --> 02:34:49,560 on. We don't know who's wagging what, because even with it I 2534 02:34:49,560 --> 02:34:53,400 don't know about you, but my Google on Comcast is not as 2535 02:34:53,430 --> 02:34:55,410 snappy as it once was. 2536 02:34:55,470 --> 02:35:01,500 I agree. I have had several times that A Google services 2537 02:35:01,500 --> 02:35:07,020 would not function. I'd have to reload, essentially. Yeah, 2538 02:35:07,050 --> 02:35:07,800 right. Yeah. 2539 02:35:08,549 --> 02:35:11,219 And so I'm thinking, well, who's well, whose fault? Is that? Is 2540 02:35:11,219 --> 02:35:15,449 that Google throttling? Or is it Comcast throttling? Or is it 2541 02:35:15,449 --> 02:35:18,749 good as Google paying them? For some? For some peering? Are they 2542 02:35:18,749 --> 02:35:19,559 paying Google of 2543 02:35:19,560 --> 02:35:22,590 course, we also know from know any of this, we also know 2544 02:35:22,590 --> 02:35:25,320 historically, the way the networks have built the internet 2545 02:35:25,560 --> 02:35:31,740 is you would buy, let's say, a T one. And actually, everything is 2546 02:35:31,740 --> 02:35:35,880 being oversold. Because the the the way the network theory goes, 2547 02:35:36,030 --> 02:35:38,610 you're not gonna have all people using the pipe equally at the 2548 02:35:38,610 --> 02:35:41,490 same time, and it kind of evens out. And that's why you have all 2549 02:35:41,490 --> 02:35:45,120 these pricing models with bursting to certain capacity. 2550 02:35:46,050 --> 02:35:51,210 And, and we're just now down to the basic fact that video has 2551 02:35:51,210 --> 02:35:59,490 ruined the the model of have it all works out in the end. Right, 2552 02:35:59,520 --> 02:36:03,420 because it is replacing it is replacing the exorbitant fees 2553 02:36:03,420 --> 02:36:06,990 that you have to pay for your Hollywood content through the 2554 02:36:06,990 --> 02:36:09,420 cable companies set top box. 2555 02:36:10,680 --> 02:36:15,270 Right, it's which is a complete ripoff. Yeah, and exactly. And I 2556 02:36:15,270 --> 02:36:19,080 mean, you can't watch if you get a big pack is the big the 2557 02:36:19,080 --> 02:36:22,080 Whopper from any of these operations, Dish Network to 2558 02:36:22,080 --> 02:36:26,940 Comcast, any of them. It's costing you 150 And up to have 2559 02:36:26,970 --> 02:36:30,300 Showtime and HBO and all over. You can't watch Showtime while 2560 02:36:30,300 --> 02:36:33,000 you're watching HBO. I mean, there's some operations, you can 2561 02:36:33,000 --> 02:36:34,950 have two different channels in two different rooms. Yeah, sure, 2562 02:36:34,950 --> 02:36:38,910 maybe you could. But practically speaking, a person cannot watch 2563 02:36:38,910 --> 02:36:41,130 two things at the same time, they can record one while 2564 02:36:41,130 --> 02:36:44,820 watching the other. But it's like you and sometimes you can 2565 02:36:44,820 --> 02:36:47,760 go months without watching anything on HBO, there's nothing 2566 02:36:47,760 --> 02:36:50,340 to watch, there's no movie are interested in, there's no series 2567 02:36:50,340 --> 02:36:52,950 you're following, but you're still paying and you can't do 2568 02:36:52,950 --> 02:36:56,100 it. And it's always been more appealing to me. And I've always 2569 02:36:56,100 --> 02:36:58,440 thought about why I always wanted to get a C band was 2570 02:36:58,440 --> 02:37:01,170 because I could put a C band in the backyard and, and go on some 2571 02:37:01,170 --> 02:37:05,250 of these websites where you can buy HBO for an hour, right? And 2572 02:37:05,250 --> 02:37:07,200 you know, and then you get you get a build. And that's 2573 02:37:07,230 --> 02:37:09,990 that's another part of the problem is, you know, people 2574 02:37:09,990 --> 02:37:14,100 like Amazon, for instance, you're dipping in and dipping 2575 02:37:14,100 --> 02:37:19,020 out paying, you know, on a per, per content piece basis. But 2576 02:37:19,020 --> 02:37:23,070 yeah, it now we are down to it. It's all, as you say it's sad. 2577 02:37:23,070 --> 02:37:26,070 But yes, the this great evolution of the Internet has 2578 02:37:26,070 --> 02:37:29,580 come down to Netflix and Facebook. And that's all the 2579 02:37:29,580 --> 02:37:35,340 people care about. And I'm, quite honestly, I am not sure 2580 02:37:35,370 --> 02:37:38,760 how this will come to a head just a little bit more Brett, 2581 02:37:38,760 --> 02:37:44,040 because who is a nice guy I really think he has, because he 2582 02:37:44,040 --> 02:37:47,160 wants to work out. But man, he really I think he's in the wrong 2583 02:37:47,160 --> 02:37:48,000 place on this one. 2584 02:37:48,029 --> 02:37:49,979 And then you've met all the criteria that the customer 2585 02:37:49,979 --> 02:37:54,239 wants, you have fixed fees, and everything gets paid for and 2586 02:37:54,239 --> 02:37:54,839 it's fair. 2587 02:37:55,140 --> 02:37:57,510 And that's really his customer, his customer where he wants, he 2588 02:37:57,510 --> 02:38:01,620 doesn't he's afraid to give his customer variable pricing, which 2589 02:38:01,620 --> 02:38:05,160 by the way the customer is very accustomed to. But we've not 2590 02:38:05,160 --> 02:38:09,540 we've been lied to by the ISPs about this. Eat all you want, 2591 02:38:09,540 --> 02:38:12,240 but it's not so on mobile, it's not so with water. It's not so 2592 02:38:12,240 --> 02:38:13,110 with electricity. 2593 02:38:13,140 --> 02:38:16,350 But what you hear what from the network neutrality advocates, 2594 02:38:16,500 --> 02:38:19,620 they scream when they hear this? Oh, no, the ISP is asking for 2595 02:38:19,620 --> 02:38:22,590 ransom. And the way and the way it's set and the way the money 2596 02:38:22,590 --> 02:38:26,640 flows in the end winds up being fair, because the only people 2597 02:38:26,640 --> 02:38:29,820 who are paying more than they would pay for their basic 2598 02:38:29,820 --> 02:38:32,310 internet connection are the people who are signed up for 2599 02:38:32,310 --> 02:38:34,350 Netflix and are going to end are going to be using the extra 2600 02:38:34,350 --> 02:38:38,250 bandwidth. So the chairman of the FCC, Tom Wheeler, went ahead 2601 02:38:38,250 --> 02:38:42,090 and proposed that when they made some new rules to try to keep 2602 02:38:42,090 --> 02:38:45,810 the ISPs from misbehaving. They allow what's called two sided 2603 02:38:45,810 --> 02:38:46,350 markets. 2604 02:38:46,410 --> 02:38:49,290 This is interesting, because this has never been discussed 2605 02:38:49,290 --> 02:38:50,700 that that is part of the deal. 2606 02:38:51,119 --> 02:38:54,959 And immediately, there was a tremendous hue and cry that 2607 02:38:54,959 --> 02:38:56,819 you're hearing all of your you're hearing all over the 2608 02:38:56,819 --> 02:39:00,179 internet. Oh, no, that's creating a fast lane. Let's do 2609 02:39:00,179 --> 02:39:04,229 it somehow unfair. Most of this was actually the result of 2610 02:39:04,229 --> 02:39:09,059 lobbying by Netflix and Google, who simply didn't want any of 2611 02:39:09,059 --> 02:39:12,599 the money to flow back from them to the ISPs? They wanted to keep 2612 02:39:12,599 --> 02:39:13,049 it all? 2613 02:39:13,620 --> 02:39:17,940 Yeah. Yeah. Which we sent out and said the same thing in that 2614 02:39:17,940 --> 02:39:18,750 column I wrote. 2615 02:39:19,050 --> 02:39:20,490 Yeah. Oh, yeah, absolutely. 2616 02:39:20,760 --> 02:39:23,190 So when you hear when you hear people talking about that, 2617 02:39:23,190 --> 02:39:27,570 that's, you know, a lot of it is due to the publicity campaigns 2618 02:39:27,600 --> 02:39:30,120 by the content providers that want to keep more of the total 2619 02:39:30,120 --> 02:39:31,290 money customers paying 2620 02:39:31,590 --> 02:39:34,860 you. It doesn't make any sense at all. Brett, you're not here's 2621 02:39:34,860 --> 02:39:39,000 where Leo is. It does a good job, I think. Although I don't 2622 02:39:39,000 --> 02:39:42,660 know if he actually realises what he's saying is correct. In 2623 02:39:42,660 --> 02:39:45,720 this context, but I was surprised want us to Burt 2624 02:39:45,720 --> 02:39:50,070 shouldered a burden that you're unwilling to shoulder you offer 2625 02:39:50,070 --> 02:39:52,050 as an internet service better free and open access to the 2626 02:39:52,050 --> 02:39:55,620 internet, do you not? Yes, we do. Well, that's your offer. 2627 02:39:56,010 --> 02:39:58,980 It's gonna cost you what it costs to you. Well, bandwidth 2628 02:39:58,980 --> 02:40:00,180 costs money. Well, we I 2629 02:40:00,180 --> 02:40:04,080 know I pay for it. I have to pay you to? Well, yes. 2630 02:40:07,890 --> 02:40:13,440 Yeah, that's not gonna work. That's not gonna work. But what 2631 02:40:13,440 --> 02:40:16,710 happens if it does if people screen for this net neutrality 2632 02:40:16,710 --> 02:40:20,670 crap, which that's that's the messed up part is people don't 2633 02:40:20,670 --> 02:40:24,630 actually understand what they're screaming for. I think it could 2634 02:40:24,630 --> 02:40:27,600 go horribly wrong and we could wind up in this to market 2635 02:40:27,600 --> 02:40:31,140 situation. And it could be exactly horribly 2636 02:40:31,140 --> 02:40:34,950 wrong because everything goes horribly wrong when the public 2637 02:40:34,950 --> 02:40:38,190 is being manipulated by like he said, the lobbyists, the public 2638 02:40:38,190 --> 02:40:42,390 relations campaigns now Google and Netflix who are, are have 2639 02:40:42,390 --> 02:40:46,230 manipulated, they've got a great buzz term, you know, net 2640 02:40:46,230 --> 02:40:50,910 neutrality is good. And they can just push out as much, you know, 2641 02:40:50,910 --> 02:40:53,880 bad information as they can to get everyone all jacked up, 2642 02:40:54,060 --> 02:40:57,660 because they're gonna screw you out of your Netflix, somehow. 2643 02:40:57,690 --> 02:41:00,810 Yeah. And everyone gets all up in arms about it, they don't 2644 02:41:00,810 --> 02:41:03,330 think about it. And the next thing you know, it does go 2645 02:41:03,330 --> 02:41:08,160 horribly bad because that's where, as always goes, it's 2646 02:41:08,160 --> 02:41:12,360 gonna go to some horrible. But you saw this coming with the 2647 02:41:12,360 --> 02:41:14,220 video thing with a IPT. No 2648 02:41:14,220 --> 02:41:18,240 one wanted to believe it. No one wanted to believe it. So this, 2649 02:41:18,270 --> 02:41:21,900 this cannot go on. And very good point, by the way from our from 2650 02:41:21,900 --> 02:41:26,550 our donor. They're saying, Oh, who pays for the gigabytes of 2651 02:41:26,550 --> 02:41:29,520 updates of Windows? And of course, Apple also has that one 2652 02:41:29,520 --> 02:41:31,830 before? That's a good one. That's a great one who's going 2653 02:41:31,830 --> 02:41:34,650 to pay for that? Do I have to pay for that? And if I have five 2654 02:41:34,650 --> 02:41:39,180 computers, am I paying for all of that? And? Yeah, well, you 2655 02:41:39,180 --> 02:41:42,960 know, it's coming to a head. And that's really the bottom. Yeah. 2656 02:41:42,960 --> 02:41:43,140 And 2657 02:41:43,140 --> 02:41:45,420 it's coming to a head where I think is going to end up 2658 02:41:46,380 --> 02:41:48,870 regulation by the FCC, that government is going to get 2659 02:41:48,870 --> 02:41:51,420 involved and everyone's going to be very sorry. And they're going 2660 02:41:51,420 --> 02:41:53,250 to look back and go, How did that happen? 2661 02:41:54,870 --> 02:41:55,920 And then what do we do? 2662 02:41:56,310 --> 02:41:59,040 And then what do you do? You can't do anything at that point? 2663 02:41:59,340 --> 02:42:02,430 Because nobody, nobody's ever noticed this. But when something 2664 02:42:02,430 --> 02:42:04,680 happens, the government takes over programmes or it starts to 2665 02:42:04,920 --> 02:42:08,040 regulate something they don't stop. It's not like this. Oh, 2666 02:42:08,040 --> 02:42:10,740 well, let's shut that down. Yeah, when I was working for the 2667 02:42:10,740 --> 02:42:13,140 air pollution district, I went back and looked at it, and it 2668 02:42:13,140 --> 02:42:19,260 was in, I guess, the 70s. I went back and to the University of 2669 02:42:19,260 --> 02:42:22,710 California library and looked up the original paperwork for the 2670 02:42:22,740 --> 02:42:26,550 agency that I was working for, which began in 1955. And I read 2671 02:42:26,550 --> 02:42:28,920 the whole thing. And this was, of course, happened during the 2672 02:42:28,920 --> 02:42:32,370 London Fog air era, when they have a bunch of people died in 2673 02:42:32,370 --> 02:42:35,640 London. Remember that? From the horrible fog the killer? Oh, 2674 02:42:35,640 --> 02:42:38,520 yes, of course. Yeah, it was in the 50s. So they started this 2675 02:42:38,520 --> 02:42:42,120 agency, the whole country was freaked out of our country was 2676 02:42:42,120 --> 02:42:47,250 freaked out about not dimensioned, the English and in 2677 02:42:47,250 --> 02:42:51,570 there was very specific, it said that this agency would have a 20 2678 02:42:51,570 --> 02:43:00,330 year lifespan and be it would be shuttered in 1975. It was very 2679 02:43:00,330 --> 02:43:03,390 they would that's how they sold it. They sold it as a kind of 2680 02:43:03,390 --> 02:43:05,940 look, no, no, we got to do this with all the bridges they built. 2681 02:43:06,750 --> 02:43:10,680 Oh, it's gonna be toll free after we pay for it. Now, this 2682 02:43:10,680 --> 02:43:12,630 this agency that I'm talking about, that was supposed to be 2683 02:43:12,630 --> 02:43:16,560 shuttered in 1975, I believe that was the date, maybe sooner 2684 02:43:16,890 --> 02:43:21,750 is in business now. This is this never go, they never pull it 2685 02:43:21,810 --> 02:43:24,720 back. They ever pull the reins, they never shut anything down. 2686 02:43:24,840 --> 02:43:27,750 And this the FCC, once it gets ahold of the internet, you can 2687 02:43:27,750 --> 02:43:30,600 just kiss through your free net neutrality and everything else 2688 02:43:30,630 --> 02:43:31,200 goodbye. 2689 02:43:31,590 --> 02:43:35,220 There's one other additional issue, which would solve a lot. 2690 02:43:36,630 --> 02:43:42,660 The copyright and licencing is a big problem in all this. Most 2691 02:43:42,660 --> 02:43:46,470 ISPs and, and also, the whole advertising model also falls 2692 02:43:46,470 --> 02:43:50,010 down. Because really, the way it should work is you have a 2693 02:43:50,010 --> 02:43:52,680 network, you're going to use smart caching for a lot of 2694 02:43:52,680 --> 02:43:58,530 things a lot. And you should definitely be caching these HD 2695 02:43:58,530 --> 02:44:03,810 files, just like you should be caching Microsoft updates. And, 2696 02:44:03,810 --> 02:44:06,930 you know, like your caching images, and you know, and you 2697 02:44:06,930 --> 02:44:09,180 should have a cache in your home and this whole there's a lot of 2698 02:44:09,180 --> 02:44:13,140 different ways that this can be solved. But because of licencing 2699 02:44:13,140 --> 02:44:17,790 and DRM, this has become almost impossible for these for these 2700 02:44:17,790 --> 02:44:22,470 large media files. There's so much that that has just been 2701 02:44:22,500 --> 02:44:29,400 driven by greed and power and non smartness. It's pathetic. 2702 02:44:30,450 --> 02:44:34,470 It's really pathetic. And we're, we're actually peer to peer 2703 02:44:34,980 --> 02:44:38,760 which works very well on on private network segments like it 2704 02:44:38,760 --> 02:44:43,110 works should work very well. Is really genius. But that has been 2705 02:44:43,110 --> 02:44:48,990 kind of pushed out because oh, that's only piracy. You know, 2706 02:44:49,020 --> 02:44:52,470 ham radio bed, back to back. I'm going back 2707 02:44:52,470 --> 02:44:55,770 to Pam and Hillary back to packet. That's where it would 2708 02:44:55,770 --> 02:44:57,120 show him and healer him 2709 02:44:58,200 --> 02:45:03,060 back to packet We'd be remiss if we didn't talk briefly about the 2710 02:45:03,420 --> 02:45:04,470 EU election. 2711 02:45:04,890 --> 02:45:07,710 Yeah, I got to give a breakout. I think you may have one run 2712 02:45:07,710 --> 02:45:10,380 down here. They kind of go summarises some of it. I get a 2713 02:45:10,380 --> 02:45:11,520 bunch of EU clips. 2714 02:45:11,550 --> 02:45:13,530 What was your general take on what happened? 2715 02:45:17,250 --> 02:45:20,970 Well, there was a low very low turnout. Yeah. Which they 2716 02:45:20,970 --> 02:45:24,720 manage, and they can still and then the Euroskeptics, as they 2717 02:45:24,720 --> 02:45:28,320 like to be called, or the far right, Neo Nazis and neo Nazi 2718 02:45:28,320 --> 02:45:32,670 far right. Or the Euroskeptic, probably pulled in a third of 2719 02:45:32,670 --> 02:45:40,350 the very, you know, 125 to 35% of the very low turnout, which 2720 02:45:40,350 --> 02:45:42,270 was, like very low, like, 2721 02:45:42,300 --> 02:45:45,780 except interestingly, in the Netherlands. Yeah, totally 2722 02:45:45,780 --> 02:45:46,410 failed. 2723 02:45:47,310 --> 02:45:51,630 But there's, there's actually have a breakdown of that. Okay, 2724 02:45:51,660 --> 02:45:53,670 because it's kind of interesting. I shouldn't, but 2725 02:45:53,670 --> 02:45:57,480 let's play this elections. Oh, actually, there's yeah, there's 2726 02:45:57,570 --> 02:46:00,990 let me play this clip, which is the there was a little poll 2727 02:46:00,990 --> 02:46:05,310 done. And this is by Van cat again, and they're talking this 2728 02:46:05,310 --> 02:46:09,540 is Doug Herbert, then who is a better reporter than a pundit. 2729 02:46:09,540 --> 02:46:13,890 But he is in studio talking about this little poll that was 2730 02:46:13,890 --> 02:46:18,690 done showing that these far right, people were all just anti 2731 02:46:18,690 --> 02:46:22,410 immigration, because they they first attributed this this swing 2732 02:46:23,760 --> 02:46:29,730 to bad economies, but play this and then I have a follow up clip 2733 02:46:29,730 --> 02:46:31,860 that will kind of talks about the Netherlands. 2734 02:46:31,890 --> 02:46:34,560 That said, You're absolutely right, there was an Ipsos poll 2735 02:46:34,560 --> 02:46:37,950 done sort of on the eve of this election, showing that 2736 02:46:37,980 --> 02:46:41,730 immigration actually an anti immigration platforms of almost 2737 02:46:41,760 --> 02:46:45,360 all of the far right parties, trumped economic concerns. 2738 02:46:46,980 --> 02:46:47,850 Alright, so that 2739 02:46:47,970 --> 02:46:53,730 and by the way, that is a huge concern. Although very weird, 2740 02:46:53,730 --> 02:46:56,730 how in the Netherlands that suddenly whipped around, 2741 02:46:57,630 --> 02:46:59,880 like the part two of that clip, and then we can talk about the 2742 02:46:59,880 --> 02:47:01,110 Netherlands. Okay. 2743 02:47:01,260 --> 02:47:04,350 Immigration is a threat to national identity. This is what 2744 02:47:04,380 --> 02:47:07,110 the far right and the far right sympathisers believed, they 2745 02:47:07,110 --> 02:47:09,180 believed that the more foreigners you have coming in, 2746 02:47:09,300 --> 02:47:12,840 the more you have this dilution of some pure national identity 2747 02:47:12,840 --> 02:47:16,920 and a threat to their very way of life. So you had a real 2748 02:47:16,950 --> 02:47:20,490 galvanizers of those who voted for the far right was this a 2749 02:47:20,490 --> 02:47:23,610 rising intolerance towards the other, so to speak, people in 2750 02:47:23,610 --> 02:47:25,590 their midst who don't necessarily look like what they 2751 02:47:25,590 --> 02:47:28,830 think people from their country should look like? You know, you 2752 02:47:28,830 --> 02:47:31,530 had in Finland, the real Finland party, right, you know, you're 2753 02:47:31,530 --> 02:47:34,950 supposed to look Finnish in a certain way. Xenophobia, 2754 02:47:34,980 --> 02:47:38,370 obviously, by definition, xenophobia means fear of or 2755 02:47:38,370 --> 02:47:42,360 mistrust of outsiders, and then outright anti immigration 2756 02:47:42,360 --> 02:47:45,720 stances. I talked about geared builders in the Netherlands. 2757 02:47:45,750 --> 02:47:47,820 It's interesting, because he didn't do very well did he 2758 02:47:47,820 --> 02:47:50,640 didn't do well. He did not do well, however, and perhaps one 2759 02:47:50,640 --> 02:47:53,010 of the reasons he didn't do well is he may have scared off some 2760 02:47:53,010 --> 02:47:55,290 people with his comments. He asked, What are we going to do 2761 02:47:55,290 --> 02:47:58,170 about the Moroccans? He said that on the eve of the vote, so 2762 02:47:58,200 --> 02:48:00,960 but anti immigration, this is going to be a continuing? 2763 02:48:01,320 --> 02:48:02,670 Yeah, now he messed that up. 2764 02:48:02,760 --> 02:48:05,640 Well, here's Wait, wait, you got it. This is the part that gets 2765 02:48:05,640 --> 02:48:08,850 to me. They do this poll. They blame everything on immigration 2766 02:48:08,850 --> 02:48:12,360 issues, even though that is an issue. But then when it comes 2767 02:48:12,360 --> 02:48:15,600 down to Vera rebuilders, who says he blames something on the 2768 02:48:15,600 --> 02:48:18,750 Moroccans and everyone steps now all of a sudden they step back 2769 02:48:18,750 --> 02:48:21,210 and say, Oh, that's racism or whatever it is think to 2770 02:48:21,210 --> 02:48:25,980 themselves. In other words, this is a contradiction. You can't 2771 02:48:25,980 --> 02:48:29,100 say that these guys all one because of immigration issues. 2772 02:48:29,100 --> 02:48:33,090 But then when the immigration issue is pushed one extra notch, 2773 02:48:33,360 --> 02:48:37,470 they all back off, unless it's not about immigration. I don't 2774 02:48:37,470 --> 02:48:41,370 think it is about immigration. I think builders made it obviously 2775 02:48:41,370 --> 02:48:44,610 in his case about immigration, and that's why he lost this is 2776 02:48:44,610 --> 02:48:45,420 bullshit. 2777 02:48:46,289 --> 02:48:49,409 Okay, so there's different cultures in different countries. 2778 02:48:49,649 --> 02:48:54,239 And the Netherlands has been hoodwinked for now going on 20 2779 02:48:54,239 --> 02:48:59,849 years, with the, with the most recent immigrant wave, which is, 2780 02:49:00,209 --> 02:49:04,619 we'll just call it the Moroccans. And this was part of 2781 02:49:04,619 --> 02:49:08,219 a big push called the multicultural society. And 2782 02:49:08,219 --> 02:49:12,299 you'll recall that PIM for town was very against the Muslim 2783 02:49:12,299 --> 02:49:15,809 integration, and he was assassinated on the eve of the 2784 02:49:15,809 --> 02:49:20,609 election, which his party won posthumously. And that shut down 2785 02:49:20,639 --> 02:49:24,689 everybody and that that was a big Shut up slave moment. And 2786 02:49:24,689 --> 02:49:29,879 then we had to for Hall, the filmmaker, who also he made a 2787 02:49:29,879 --> 02:49:35,099 film and he was killed for that film, which was anti corrosion. 2788 02:49:36,119 --> 02:49:41,369 This will shut up a population John. And when builders came up 2789 02:49:41,729 --> 02:49:44,999 and said, What are we going to do with the Moroccans we saw 2790 02:49:44,999 --> 02:49:49,619 this and Mickey and I, we saw this, this debate happening and 2791 02:49:49,619 --> 02:49:53,849 it was expertly manipulated. It has one extra thing you need to 2792 02:49:53,849 --> 02:49:59,219 remember in the Netherlands is the number of Jews who are 2793 02:49:59,219 --> 02:50:02,879 persecuted and killed in the Netherlands was astronomical. 2794 02:50:03,449 --> 02:50:06,509 And we and Frank, we got a lot of this stuff. There's a huge 2795 02:50:06,509 --> 02:50:11,459 history going on here. And the kind of the Centrum parties and 2796 02:50:11,459 --> 02:50:17,519 also we still have a religious religious faction which is very 2797 02:50:17,519 --> 02:50:21,659 strong. They expertly took this and for the Dutch and this is 2798 02:50:21,659 --> 02:50:24,449 cultural specifically to the Dutch, which I can speak to I 2799 02:50:24,449 --> 02:50:28,829 can't really speak for other European countries, they took 2800 02:50:28,829 --> 02:50:33,989 the easy way out. They did not no one wants to be branded as a 2801 02:50:33,989 --> 02:50:38,969 racist. And I agree, builders went too far with that 2802 02:50:38,969 --> 02:50:46,199 particular statement, and it was a PR flub. And it was taken and 2803 02:50:46,769 --> 02:50:50,279 on the eve completely manipulated and worked against 2804 02:50:50,279 --> 02:50:53,279 him. Yeah, because they this is still the issue. 2805 02:50:53,640 --> 02:50:59,130 I I think it's I think it is one of the issues, but I don't think 2806 02:50:59,130 --> 02:51:06,420 the Holland is is immune to the to immune any more or sold out 2807 02:51:06,420 --> 02:51:07,980 any more than the French 2808 02:51:10,020 --> 02:51:13,440 it's a cultural difference. It's I don't think that the the 2809 02:51:13,440 --> 02:51:16,500 French are known for standing up and getting in the streets and 2810 02:51:16,500 --> 02:51:18,240 fighting the Dutch not so. 2811 02:51:19,800 --> 02:51:23,820 Well, the British have been pushed around to and again, I 2812 02:51:23,820 --> 02:51:27,180 don't see it because this propagandistic thing about me 2813 02:51:27,180 --> 02:51:30,210 right. But look, what happened in Europe into a Muslim world is 2814 02:51:30,210 --> 02:51:31,950 has been going on for a long time. 2815 02:51:31,980 --> 02:51:34,530 But it's it is actually happening. Yeah, it is 2816 02:51:34,530 --> 02:51:38,100 happening. And I believe this is back now. But it's one of these 2817 02:51:38,100 --> 02:51:42,000 things, John, it's like, people see it, they don't like it, but 2818 02:51:42,000 --> 02:51:46,620 they're afraid to because they've been guilted into 2819 02:51:46,620 --> 02:51:52,560 feeling racist by saying I don't want it. That's the problem. 2820 02:51:52,620 --> 02:51:53,190 Well, I don't 2821 02:51:53,190 --> 02:51:55,770 see that they they're not being guilted in the same way in 2822 02:51:55,770 --> 02:51:56,400 England. 2823 02:51:56,910 --> 02:51:59,940 Well, that's why you Kip was branded racist. And they did 2824 02:51:59,940 --> 02:52:03,030 fantastic in the in the in the election, 2825 02:52:03,180 --> 02:52:06,600 right. And we also get a lot of notes from certain producers who 2826 02:52:06,600 --> 02:52:11,190 woulda thought we were crazy, the two of us for extolling 2827 02:52:12,120 --> 02:52:16,500 Faraj as a interesting character who was going to have some 2828 02:52:16,500 --> 02:52:21,060 influence it was now that'll be the day, this guy's a clown. 2829 02:52:21,360 --> 02:52:23,070 He's not going to ever get a vote 2830 02:52:23,100 --> 02:52:27,810 and having lived in the UK for five years, a very short time. I 2831 02:52:27,810 --> 02:52:32,910 have never been in a more racist country. That's my personal 2832 02:52:32,910 --> 02:52:34,770 opinion. My personal experience you were 2833 02:52:34,770 --> 02:52:37,890 in Japan just recently. That's another story. 2834 02:52:39,390 --> 02:52:42,870 I wasn't there long enough. I'm five years in Yeah. Five, the UK 2835 02:52:42,870 --> 02:52:46,770 an integrated in in business and, and you know, social life 2836 02:52:46,770 --> 02:52:50,880 and wow, I mean, there's a lie found a lot of racism going on. 2837 02:52:51,450 --> 02:52:53,520 And the culture is racist cultures 2838 02:52:53,520 --> 02:52:58,680 in Europe are racist. That's why they are still you know, French 2839 02:52:58,680 --> 02:53:02,160 or French and Brits are Brits and Germans are Germans. And 2840 02:53:02,160 --> 02:53:05,280 they all have these opinions. The Germans hate the Turks. They 2841 02:53:05,280 --> 02:53:09,210 think that, you know, they're the, the outsiders that are 2842 02:53:09,210 --> 02:53:10,050 coming in and, 2843 02:53:10,290 --> 02:53:13,890 and that and the Netherlands before the Moroccans had the 2844 02:53:13,890 --> 02:53:16,080 Turks and before the Turks. It was the Suriname errs, and 2845 02:53:16,080 --> 02:53:19,920 before that it was I think the British and the Irish or the 2846 02:53:19,920 --> 02:53:23,190 Italians, but when it hit the Muslims, man, and now they're, 2847 02:53:23,220 --> 02:53:29,610 they're in government. And, you know, and I hear people, you 2848 02:53:29,610 --> 02:53:30,900 know, taxi Eric, don't you? 2849 02:53:31,320 --> 02:53:33,180 Yeah, it was gonna be killed as 2850 02:53:34,200 --> 02:53:39,840 well. And you know what? He is borderline racist. I would say 2851 02:53:39,840 --> 02:53:44,010 in his, no, he's a racist the way he talks about Moroccans, 2852 02:53:44,040 --> 02:53:47,160 but I bet he didn't vote for builders. I bet he said on 2853 02:53:48,000 --> 02:53:50,490 entrepreneur and you know, I don't want to be I don't want to 2854 02:53:50,490 --> 02:53:54,150 be deemed a racist. And you know, some Moroccans are my 2855 02:53:54,150 --> 02:53:54,900 clients. 2856 02:53:55,350 --> 02:53:58,080 secret vote, isn't it you go to in Holland, you don't have to 2857 02:53:58,080 --> 02:54:00,090 come and say I voted for so and so I can only say 2858 02:54:00,150 --> 02:54:03,540 it's the culture that in the Netherlands, it really is the 2859 02:54:03,540 --> 02:54:08,430 culture and a lot of it has to do with World War Two. And it's 2860 02:54:09,240 --> 02:54:13,560 being a collaborator, and it's a lot of crap. Really bad cultural 2861 02:54:13,560 --> 02:54:16,350 crap. That scares people and then they were taken advantage 2862 02:54:16,350 --> 02:54:20,550 of at the Nemos man, it's like they are complete drones. 2863 02:54:22,860 --> 02:54:25,500 Seriously, they are really drones to the media 2864 02:54:25,500 --> 02:54:26,250 particularly. 2865 02:54:26,850 --> 02:54:28,020 Well, that's a shame. 2866 02:54:30,660 --> 02:54:34,140 It's a real shame. So something did change. I don't think it's 2867 02:54:34,140 --> 02:54:37,950 really changed enough. No. Significant I think 2868 02:54:38,310 --> 02:54:42,510 I have a breakdown here of the way it's gonna look. In the 2869 02:54:42,510 --> 02:54:45,570 parliament, EU Parliament was wrapped. I hear Trump play the 2870 02:54:45,570 --> 02:54:47,550 wrap up that's got most of the information. 2871 02:54:48,720 --> 02:54:51,330 The wrap up Yep, got it. Well, for more 2872 02:54:51,330 --> 02:54:53,970 on this, let's bring in our international affairs editor 2873 02:54:53,970 --> 02:54:58,500 Douglas Herbert. Doug, it's not the first time Europe spins 2874 02:54:58,500 --> 02:55:02,490 through such a big crisis. So how big a blow is this for 2875 02:55:02,490 --> 02:55:02,970 Europe, 2876 02:55:03,060 --> 02:55:05,160 I'm not going to try to understate you know what has 2877 02:55:05,160 --> 02:55:07,770 happened. You know, we've heard the words political earthquake 2878 02:55:07,770 --> 02:55:11,460 used here in France. And that's probably not an exaggeration, by 2879 02:55:11,460 --> 02:55:14,460 any sense. But let's try to look for a tiny bit of perspective 2880 02:55:14,460 --> 02:55:18,270 here. The main thing is that the far REITs have had made giant 2881 02:55:18,300 --> 02:55:21,120 inroads, the biggest inroads in their history, especially in 2882 02:55:21,120 --> 02:55:24,930 France, especially in Britain, country like Denmark as well, 2883 02:55:25,320 --> 02:55:28,890 that said, they are not going to have a controlling faction in 2884 02:55:28,890 --> 02:55:31,470 the European Parliament, let's just keep those figures in our 2885 02:55:31,470 --> 02:55:36,090 minds, you will still have centrist and conservative right 2886 02:55:36,090 --> 02:55:40,470 leaning parties, but not far right parties having about 520 2887 02:55:40,590 --> 02:55:43,650 of the 751 seats in the parliament, which is a 2888 02:55:43,650 --> 02:55:46,590 controlling majority. So you will still have and presumably 2889 02:55:46,590 --> 02:55:48,600 the next President of the European Parliament, will 2890 02:55:48,600 --> 02:55:51,780 presumably be someone who was able to steer Europe not in a 2891 02:55:51,780 --> 02:55:54,810 far right direction, and be able to sort of the snub of the 2892 02:55:54,810 --> 02:55:57,690 appeals of the far right. But that said, it's true. There are 2893 02:55:57,690 --> 02:56:00,540 now ticking time bombs, essentially groups of political 2894 02:56:00,540 --> 02:56:03,360 factions, which are ticking time bombs, sitting within an 2895 02:56:03,360 --> 02:56:06,510 institution, a European institution, which in the Treaty 2896 02:56:06,510 --> 02:56:10,020 of Rome, which established Europe 1957 What was their 2897 02:56:10,020 --> 02:56:14,340 objective? It was to move Europe gradually towards quote, ever 2898 02:56:14,400 --> 02:56:18,060 closer union. And that is now the objective that you basically 2899 02:56:18,060 --> 02:56:22,140 have a couple of 100 Euro phobe and outright Europe hater 2900 02:56:22,170 --> 02:56:25,350 deputies in the parliament working against you have people 2901 02:56:25,350 --> 02:56:28,770 who want to either curb Europe's powers, or and this is the more 2902 02:56:28,770 --> 02:56:31,830 extreme position obviously, abolish Europe altogether. You 2903 02:56:31,830 --> 02:56:34,950 might say it's a paradox. You have people who don't believe in 2904 02:56:34,950 --> 02:56:38,100 Europe who want to abolish the European Union, sitting in the 2905 02:56:38,100 --> 02:56:41,370 parliament to work for its dismantlement. But I will say 2906 02:56:41,370 --> 02:56:43,230 this, there are several countries for all the countries 2907 02:56:43,230 --> 02:56:45,660 that had far right gains, you did have countries where there 2908 02:56:45,660 --> 02:56:48,270 were setbacks, the Netherlands being one of them with a party 2909 02:56:48,270 --> 02:56:51,780 of good builders, obviously did worse than in 2009, the Finnish 2910 02:56:51,780 --> 02:56:55,170 far right party came third place and it's positioned Slovakia 2911 02:56:55,200 --> 02:56:57,870 National Party there. We've talked about that, in the past 2912 02:56:57,960 --> 02:57:00,690 didn't get a single person into parliament. So it's not like 2913 02:57:00,720 --> 02:57:04,020 across the board the far right one, but where it did win it one 2914 02:57:04,020 --> 02:57:06,750 very big and France always attracts attention. Whatever 2915 02:57:06,750 --> 02:57:08,760 happens here second biggest economy in Europe. 2916 02:57:08,880 --> 02:57:11,970 So bottom line is this has been going on since the early 50s. 2917 02:57:12,180 --> 02:57:15,990 And there's no stopping it. And if so this is a little setback, 2918 02:57:15,990 --> 02:57:18,240 and it will continue this is the new world order, we will 2919 02:57:18,240 --> 02:57:20,640 eventually have the Trilateral Commission bringing everything 2920 02:57:20,640 --> 02:57:23,490 together, we may not witness it, but that has always been the 2921 02:57:23,490 --> 02:57:28,320 mission. The only way is if we collectively all just say no, 2922 02:57:28,350 --> 02:57:32,430 I'm opting out of all of this. But that's not gonna happen. I 2923 02:57:32,430 --> 02:57:35,100 don't think that's gonna have I'm sad about that. But 2924 02:57:36,270 --> 02:57:39,000 I, you know, it's good. The little bumps in the road are 2925 02:57:39,000 --> 02:57:42,810 handy. gives us something to talk about. 2926 02:57:43,830 --> 02:57:48,540 It's very handy for the show I watch. You've been around just a 2927 02:57:48,540 --> 02:57:51,540 little bit longer than I have John. But is this just more of 2928 02:57:51,540 --> 02:57:55,500 the same as it always been this way? Are we and are we are we 2929 02:57:55,500 --> 02:58:00,960 just we have more access to it that it seems crazier because of 2930 02:58:00,960 --> 02:58:02,700 the access to the internet. And 2931 02:58:02,700 --> 02:58:05,910 I don't even think it's that so much I do have a lot of access 2932 02:58:05,910 --> 02:58:08,070 to stuff with the Internet. And the rest I think just brings us 2933 02:58:08,070 --> 02:58:12,210 more celebrity news. I think what it is, is that over time, 2934 02:58:12,330 --> 02:58:14,850 as we as the public, all you have to do is watch some of 2935 02:58:14,850 --> 02:58:17,550 these great channels like me TV and some of these things that 2936 02:58:17,550 --> 02:58:21,240 have old shows on him. And you realise what's happened is that 2937 02:58:21,240 --> 02:58:27,270 the media itself has gotten so sophisticated and so good at 2938 02:58:27,420 --> 02:58:32,610 keeping people you know, keeping people nervous and and scared 2939 02:58:32,610 --> 02:58:35,640 and all the rest of it right well you the way it was done in 2940 02:58:35,640 --> 02:58:39,780 the with Walter Cronkite and Huntley and Brinkley is not 2941 02:58:39,780 --> 02:58:43,680 always done anymore. It's they do public gets used to one rod 2942 02:58:43,680 --> 02:58:46,020 is bull crap. And then they start, you know, actually 2943 02:58:46,020 --> 02:58:49,590 relaxing a little bit. No, no, no, no, we got to keep on edge. 2944 02:58:49,590 --> 02:58:53,370 Because like you said earlier, it's to keep people addicted to 2945 02:58:53,370 --> 02:58:54,420 this material 2946 02:58:54,449 --> 02:58:58,199 and engaged is the word engaged. Yeah, right, engaged, right, 2947 02:58:58,199 --> 02:58:58,289 they 2948 02:58:58,290 --> 02:59:00,690 have to be engaged. So they go to the movies, and they spend 2949 02:59:00,690 --> 02:59:04,200 money on crap and stuff they're told to buy and they're just, 2950 02:59:04,350 --> 02:59:08,820 they work to make the money to buy some sneakers. And the fun 2951 02:59:08,820 --> 02:59:13,320 is, and this done, the way it's done today, is really much 2952 02:59:13,320 --> 02:59:15,720 better. So if you're older, you've seen the old fashioned 2953 02:59:15,720 --> 02:59:18,240 way. And you seen the new ways it is I think it's just a matter 2954 02:59:18,240 --> 02:59:21,150 of execution. I don't think it's anything different. Even my 2955 02:59:21,150 --> 02:59:25,200 daughter who has grown up with a certain set of values and 2956 02:59:25,200 --> 02:59:29,250 questioning attitude. I spoke to her the other day. And she said 2957 02:59:29,280 --> 02:59:32,280 oh man is warm again. We didn't even have a winter I'm worried. 2958 02:59:34,410 --> 02:59:38,760 What I'm worried Yeah, because all she's all she's been trained 2959 02:59:38,760 --> 02:59:42,360 in the past, you know, she's been out of my direct reach for 2960 02:59:42,360 --> 02:59:49,230 a year is the earth is going to kill us. And she actually has a 2961 02:59:49,230 --> 02:59:51,660 lot of stuff she doesn't buy into but she actually is 2962 02:59:51,660 --> 02:59:52,260 worried. 2963 02:59:52,650 --> 02:59:54,930 Well, this is again, you know the thing about the no agenda 2964 02:59:54,930 --> 02:59:58,260 show where we have to keep reminding people because it's 2965 02:59:58,260 --> 03:00:01,290 very, I would say a one went away from the show and you're 2966 03:00:01,290 --> 03:00:06,180 back. I think for me too, if we weren't doing the show, one 2967 03:00:06,180 --> 03:00:08,820 month in and you were all of a sudden the meme starts setting 2968 03:00:08,820 --> 03:00:12,210 in and you're you get it because it's really good. These guys 2969 03:00:12,210 --> 03:00:14,460 that are running the media, and the 2970 03:00:14,550 --> 03:00:17,520 and it's only a couple of only a couple of companies really 2971 03:00:17,550 --> 03:00:22,350 fight. At most of these cars. These guys are so good. Today 2972 03:00:22,350 --> 03:00:25,830 I'm at just hypnotising you and making you think a certain way 2973 03:00:26,100 --> 03:00:28,830 and getting you you know, getting you into the position 2974 03:00:28,830 --> 03:00:32,010 where you're buying crap, essentially, is to sell stuff, 2975 03:00:32,310 --> 03:00:34,590 which is we are mercantile company country. What are you 2976 03:00:34,590 --> 03:00:37,230 going to do? It's not just this country, ma'am. Well, the whole 2977 03:00:37,230 --> 03:00:40,890 world is mercantilism, which is worse in Asia actually. They had 2978 03:00:40,890 --> 03:00:43,590 more money Holy mackerel, we wouldn't know what was going on. 2979 03:00:45,930 --> 03:00:48,540 Anyway, so it's a it's just the way it is. 2980 03:00:49,290 --> 03:00:51,390 But I always like to think as a way out, and there's there's 2981 03:00:53,490 --> 03:01:00,570 John Paul Sartre, I think at a play or book, no way out. I 2982 03:01:00,570 --> 03:01:01,590 think it still applies. 2983 03:01:02,430 --> 03:01:06,330 I don't like I don't like thinking that way. My unicorns 2984 03:01:06,330 --> 03:01:09,690 and rainbows, man, come on, come on, give me some unicorns and 2985 03:01:09,690 --> 03:01:10,650 rainbows. 2986 03:01:11,279 --> 03:01:14,669 No way out. Just wondering it was an 87 movie with Gene 2987 03:01:14,669 --> 03:01:15,569 Hackman 2988 03:01:16,020 --> 03:01:18,960 said you just give up and only listen to our show just to stay 2989 03:01:18,960 --> 03:01:23,160 up to date in no way out. If you just read some books and watch 2990 03:01:23,160 --> 03:01:27,360 them play and know people do that and away and play play 2991 03:01:27,360 --> 03:01:32,400 cards or chess or Mahjong or some strategy games. 2992 03:01:32,700 --> 03:01:37,560 If you are just if you cut off the media and read books. 2993 03:01:37,680 --> 03:01:41,700 Well, here's here's my tip. This has changed my life 2994 03:01:41,700 --> 03:01:45,750 dramatically. And people say hey, man you create you will be 2995 03:01:45,750 --> 03:01:48,840 tracked by the end of day Vivi, you know that guy talks to me 2996 03:01:48,840 --> 03:01:49,260 like that. 2997 03:01:50,490 --> 03:01:51,210 Yeah, that guy, 2998 03:01:51,420 --> 03:01:58,470 get rid of your phone and buy a just a you know, a tablet or 2999 03:01:58,470 --> 03:02:02,700 anything you that's handy just a Wi Fi. And it will change your 3000 03:02:02,700 --> 03:02:06,240 life because you go to places and you can't, you literally 3001 03:02:06,240 --> 03:02:10,980 cannot communicate unless you know your ABA what your Wi Fi 3002 03:02:10,980 --> 03:02:14,070 password. So if you need to know if you're going to be in a place 3003 03:02:14,430 --> 03:02:17,040 where you come regularly or we need we need some access. Of 3004 03:02:17,040 --> 03:02:21,300 course, there's always some some solution that you can that you 3005 03:02:21,300 --> 03:02:26,280 can get. But the casual checking in the car, all of that is gone. 3006 03:02:26,550 --> 03:02:31,620 And it is so liberating. That really you don't need to be 3007 03:02:31,650 --> 03:02:35,370 you know, you're not a doctor on call a heart surgeon where you 3008 03:02:35,370 --> 03:02:36,240 need the beeper. 3009 03:02:36,270 --> 03:02:39,810 I remember when I had the first mobile phone one of the first 3010 03:02:39,810 --> 03:02:41,910 mobile phones in the Netherlands, which was a 3011 03:02:41,910 --> 03:02:45,240 basically a battery with a handset attached to it. Big 3012 03:02:45,240 --> 03:02:47,730 giant battery, big giant battery. I'm talking you know, 3013 03:02:47,880 --> 03:02:53,280 10 pounds. Now. Yeah, probably close to 10 pounds. And people 3014 03:02:53,280 --> 03:02:56,220 would say, what do you need that? Will you a doctor? Or you 3015 03:02:56,220 --> 03:02:58,380 have what do you in the fire brigade? What do you need that 3016 03:02:58,380 --> 03:02:58,830 for? 3017 03:02:59,430 --> 03:03:01,980 Yeah, and you don't where it used to be? No, you don't. But 3018 03:03:01,980 --> 03:03:05,370 now apparently you do. By the way, John Paul Sargent wrote no 3019 03:03:05,370 --> 03:03:09,690 exit. No Exit translations. It came out as no way out. Okay. 3020 03:03:09,990 --> 03:03:13,320 Yeah. And he's no slouch. No. But no, there's 3021 03:03:13,320 --> 03:03:14,460 no way out. No exit. 3022 03:03:14,490 --> 03:03:16,350 You don't carry your phone everywhere you go. Do you 3023 03:03:16,590 --> 03:03:19,830 know rarely, I mean, I have the phone. Now when I carried 3024 03:03:20,010 --> 03:03:22,110 actually I ran out of minutes is the first time this has 3025 03:03:22,110 --> 03:03:22,530 happened. I 3026 03:03:22,860 --> 03:03:25,530 just thought, oh, wait a minute. Net Neutrality. You've just been 3027 03:03:25,530 --> 03:03:26,130 capped. 3028 03:03:26,490 --> 03:03:31,770 I have $30 A month plan. And I get 100 minutes and unlimited 3029 03:03:31,770 --> 03:03:35,820 text and unlimited data. So I usually text people right away 3030 03:03:35,850 --> 03:03:39,180 or and I use the data plan for like, you know, surfing a little 3031 03:03:39,180 --> 03:03:42,090 bit. But I use the phone mostly for navigation, especially when 3032 03:03:42,090 --> 03:03:47,760 I was in Detroit. I used a lot. And but because I was in Detroit 3033 03:03:47,760 --> 03:03:50,070 for so long, I used up my 100 minutes. 3034 03:03:50,310 --> 03:03:53,760 This is another thing that I've noticed, because I can't use my 3035 03:03:53,760 --> 03:03:57,150 iPod Touch for navigation. Because it's not connected, 3036 03:03:57,360 --> 03:03:57,630 which 3037 03:03:57,630 --> 03:04:00,600 makes no sense to me. But okay, what do you mean makes no sense. 3038 03:04:00,630 --> 03:04:02,820 And you shouldn't be able to use it for navigation? No. 3039 03:04:03,060 --> 03:04:06,060 Connected? It's a grid. That would be a great navigating 3040 03:04:06,060 --> 03:04:06,510 device. 3041 03:04:06,540 --> 03:04:09,720 No, because no, because it has no connection to the network to 3042 03:04:09,720 --> 03:04:13,860 bring in the maps. Nor does it have a GPS in it. Right? 3043 03:04:13,920 --> 03:04:19,380 Useless. You know, what happens? Do you be you'll be surprised. I 3044 03:04:19,410 --> 03:04:20,490 plan my trip. 3045 03:04:21,090 --> 03:04:22,980 Oh, and you actually look at a real map. 3046 03:04:23,190 --> 03:04:28,080 Well, I use Google Maps, and I plan my trip but I either I I 3047 03:04:28,140 --> 03:04:31,020 sometimes do it on the device and take a screenshot. So 3048 03:04:31,020 --> 03:04:34,800 there's my there's my route. And I pay attention to where I'm 3049 03:04:34,800 --> 03:04:37,140 driving. All of a sudden I'm looking at stuff I'm seeing 3050 03:04:37,140 --> 03:04:40,860 things I haven't seen before. And I'm more aware I have more 3051 03:04:40,860 --> 03:04:45,630 situational awareness of where I am and where I'm going. And I'm 3052 03:04:45,630 --> 03:04:48,690 not just a drone, like turn right now. 3053 03:04:49,620 --> 03:04:53,250 Actually, you can't now I have to say this. The Google Maps on 3054 03:04:53,250 --> 03:04:55,470 the phone have deteriorate. I think they're in a third 3055 03:04:55,470 --> 03:04:58,920 generation. Everyone's been worse. This latest one I was we 3056 03:04:58,920 --> 03:05:02,100 were trying to get to a bank the Yesterday, and this is telling 3057 03:05:02,100 --> 03:05:04,590 you to go left, right, left, right in the same minute. And 3058 03:05:04,650 --> 03:05:07,650 then it tells you to turn around when you're not. It's horrible. 3059 03:05:07,860 --> 03:05:10,920 Google Maps on the phone it almost getting to the point 3060 03:05:10,920 --> 03:05:14,700 where it's useless. But, uh, yeah, and I agree, and people 3061 03:05:14,700 --> 03:05:18,600 also I agree that you should probably not get too reliant on 3062 03:05:18,600 --> 03:05:21,120 them, you should figure out how to get well. 3063 03:05:21,120 --> 03:05:24,660 Besides that, what happens if what happens if the network goes 3064 03:05:24,660 --> 03:05:27,270 down? How will we figure out how to go anywhere? 3065 03:05:27,570 --> 03:05:28,410 Well, there's that 3066 03:05:31,500 --> 03:05:34,470 you know, and or the GPS system gets jammed or turned off, or 3067 03:05:34,470 --> 03:05:37,290 any of that could happen or be, which will happen compromise. 3068 03:05:38,190 --> 03:05:40,740 But, but just for your sanity, that's all I'm saying, for your 3069 03:05:40,740 --> 03:05:45,510 sanity, give it a try. Give it a try, you actually do know how to 3070 03:05:45,510 --> 03:05:48,030 get to work, you know, you know the ways right? You You know, 3071 03:05:48,090 --> 03:05:54,090 you know, the traffic flows. This is my tip will make you 3072 03:05:54,090 --> 03:05:59,850 feel better. Get rid of your phone, get a Wi Fi only device 3073 03:05:59,850 --> 03:06:02,190 that you can, when you're at a destination when you need it, 3074 03:06:02,190 --> 03:06:06,180 you can use it, you will feel better for it, you will have 3075 03:06:06,180 --> 03:06:09,000 more interaction with people and your day off the television. And 3076 03:06:09,000 --> 03:06:12,750 you know, as well. And what you'll notice, you'll notice how 3077 03:06:12,750 --> 03:06:17,220 other people are enslaved to this. I was seriously weird. 3078 03:06:17,610 --> 03:06:20,370 They're always looking at the device. And they're walking down 3079 03:06:20,370 --> 03:06:22,590 the street looking at advice on what to get, there's a couple of 3080 03:06:22,590 --> 03:06:25,170 good videos or people who just got killed on the road crossing 3081 03:06:25,170 --> 03:06:26,730 the street. We had, 3082 03:06:26,820 --> 03:06:29,550 we had one of those couples dinner where there was like six 3083 03:06:29,550 --> 03:06:34,560 of us, and a certain point. It's like birds flying in formation. 3084 03:06:35,010 --> 03:06:38,160 Everyone's like, on their phones and this moment of silence. And 3085 03:06:38,160 --> 03:06:43,170 of course, I had no Wi Fi access. And I'm like, I'm just 3086 03:06:43,170 --> 03:06:45,660 going to look at porn that I already downloaded or something 3087 03:06:45,660 --> 03:06:48,270 because everyone's on their phone here. And no one really 3088 03:06:48,270 --> 03:06:51,120 got the joke. No one really understood that everyone just 3089 03:06:51,120 --> 03:06:55,440 went to their phone was like a, a non disgust moment of what is 3090 03:06:55,440 --> 03:06:57,840 going on stuff. Yeah, what is so damaging? 3091 03:06:58,200 --> 03:07:00,930 I think if you go back to your original thesis, whether you had 3092 03:07:00,930 --> 03:07:03,930 the big battery phone in Holland, so I said why do you 3093 03:07:03,930 --> 03:07:06,660 need that for what are you a doctor? What are you gonna call? 3094 03:07:06,660 --> 03:07:08,880 What's the point in which is shouldn't be used as the 3095 03:07:08,880 --> 03:07:10,080 argument today, but no, 3096 03:07:10,230 --> 03:07:15,120 as Bibi Netanyahu Netanyahu said, You're a slave. When he 3097 03:07:15,120 --> 03:07:18,120 said, You're a slave to your device, and he's absolutely 3098 03:07:18,120 --> 03:07:22,320 right. So that is something you can do. And you know what, I 3099 03:07:22,320 --> 03:07:25,500 gotta I gotta write a post about this or something. I think a lot 3100 03:07:25,500 --> 03:07:27,360 of people will find it very hard. I bet you that a bit. It's 3101 03:07:27,360 --> 03:07:30,390 an addiction, and they can't get off a pitch. They're freaking 3102 03:07:30,390 --> 03:07:33,510 out if they don't have their phone. A lot of people, but 90% 3103 03:07:33,510 --> 03:07:36,960 of the people listening to our show, cannot do it. 3104 03:07:37,170 --> 03:07:40,740 And Facebook's the same way. There are people that cannot 3105 03:07:41,100 --> 03:07:42,030 quit Facebook. 3106 03:07:42,060 --> 03:07:44,730 It's interesting, because you actually talk to people. I mean, 3107 03:07:44,730 --> 03:07:48,960 on the phone, I never talked, you know, Mickey sometimes calls 3108 03:07:48,960 --> 03:07:49,560 me and I say, 3109 03:07:49,980 --> 03:07:52,440 well, actually, that's why I have a landline because I got to 3110 03:07:52,440 --> 03:07:56,220 sonic.net do which gives you a landline for free. And landlines 3111 03:07:56,220 --> 03:07:58,740 are so much better than cell phones. And I still don't 3112 03:07:58,740 --> 03:08:01,740 understand why people don't have them. Because you know, it's 3113 03:08:01,740 --> 03:08:04,650 there's no latency, you're talking right to somebody. And 3114 03:08:04,650 --> 03:08:06,240 yeah, I talked to people on the phone, 3115 03:08:06,270 --> 03:08:09,240 and it doesn't go down when the power goes out. Right. You 3116 03:08:09,240 --> 03:08:11,430 don't have to say, Oh, my battery's good. Dying. Yeah, I 3117 03:08:11,430 --> 03:08:12,180 gotta hang up. 3118 03:08:12,210 --> 03:08:15,060 Mickey is the only person who calls me sometimes. And I always 3119 03:08:15,060 --> 03:08:18,660 say, oh, man, why do you call me is it we don't have good 3120 03:08:18,660 --> 03:08:22,620 communication, because there's a delay, and it feels wrong. It's 3121 03:08:22,620 --> 03:08:25,290 really strange. He's the only person that calls me. Nobody 3122 03:08:25,290 --> 03:08:29,130 else calls me. And if it just goes to Google voicemail, I 3123 03:08:29,130 --> 03:08:31,080 don't give a crap. You know, go ahead, because that's the only 3124 03:08:31,080 --> 03:08:35,010 number I really have. For a little bit of texting my 3125 03:08:35,010 --> 03:08:37,830 daughter, you know, we do Skype or whatever. You know, we 3126 03:08:37,830 --> 03:08:40,950 communicate through email and other things. You don't need the 3127 03:08:40,950 --> 03:08:43,410 phone, you don't need the constant connection. Give it a 3128 03:08:43,410 --> 03:08:46,350 try. You will feel better for it protect. It's like stopping 3129 03:08:46,350 --> 03:08:51,600 smoking, I swear to God, it's almost that liberating. We're 3130 03:08:51,600 --> 03:08:54,840 like, Fine, look at these. Man, you're sucking on the man. You 3131 03:08:54,840 --> 03:08:57,210 gotta smoke that thing. Oh, my God, you're going outside in the 3132 03:08:57,210 --> 03:09:03,720 rain. And I was that guy. And now you'd be like, Oh my God, 3133 03:09:03,720 --> 03:09:07,710 you're on your phone. Look what's happening. Your kid is 3134 03:09:07,710 --> 03:09:09,720 running the marathon and you're on your phone. 3135 03:09:10,020 --> 03:09:13,830 There are people that go outside to go on the phone now to just 3136 03:09:13,830 --> 03:09:17,490 like the smokers. They're outside on the phone making 3137 03:09:17,490 --> 03:09:19,680 personal calls on company time. And so I 3138 03:09:19,710 --> 03:09:24,420 guarantee you, even if you have a high high end, high powered 3139 03:09:24,420 --> 03:09:27,240 job, and you need to be in constant contact, which a lot of 3140 03:09:27,240 --> 03:09:33,840 people say they need, you can do that. With Wi Fi only you can do 3141 03:09:33,840 --> 03:09:39,300 that. I guarantee you you can do it. It may feel uncomfortable. 3142 03:09:39,540 --> 03:09:41,850 But once you're there, how long have I been without a phone 3143 03:09:41,850 --> 03:09:42,210 John? 3144 03:09:43,410 --> 03:09:46,710 A year, maybe probably close to a year now just about a year I 3145 03:09:46,710 --> 03:09:50,100 don't think Well, it's a fabulous feeling. Yeah, and then 3146 03:09:50,100 --> 03:09:51,390 nobody's tracking either. 3147 03:09:51,690 --> 03:09:53,940 Well, there's well of course, there's all kinds of ways you 3148 03:09:53,940 --> 03:09:58,980 can track when I log into a Wi Fi but not constantly. And of 3149 03:09:58,980 --> 03:10:02,160 course I always have my A portable two metre 70 3150 03:10:02,160 --> 03:10:05,310 centimetre, dual band, handy talkie with me for any 3151 03:10:05,310 --> 03:10:08,220 emergencies, I could really get a whole community going in 3152 03:10:08,220 --> 03:10:13,050 seconds if I needed it. So you should also get 3153 03:10:13,050 --> 03:10:15,840 your hand books, watch stores, but you're not going to 3154 03:10:15,840 --> 03:10:21,180 bookstores buying Catcher in the Rye. No, I already have it. And 3155 03:10:21,180 --> 03:10:23,580 of course, there'll be 10 people in the audience that will get 3156 03:10:23,580 --> 03:10:24,240 that joke. 3157 03:10:25,170 --> 03:10:26,400 I'm saying five. 3158 03:10:29,340 --> 03:10:30,510 I can guarantee 10. 3159 03:10:31,140 --> 03:10:33,840 All right, everybody. Thank you very much for tuning into the 3160 03:10:33,840 --> 03:10:36,090 podcast. Thank you all for supporting especially our 3161 03:10:36,090 --> 03:10:37,890 executive and Associate Executive producers, everyone 3162 03:10:37,890 --> 03:10:42,750 else who supported us. We do need more for Sunday to keep it 3163 03:10:42,750 --> 03:10:45,960 going. There'll be a lot I'm sure as there always is, as we 3164 03:10:45,960 --> 03:10:48,900 continue to bring you your healthy news diet. Coming to you 3165 03:10:48,900 --> 03:10:53,070 from FEMA Region six here in Austin, Texas in the morning, 3166 03:10:53,070 --> 03:10:54,870 everybody. I'm Adam curry, 3167 03:10:55,020 --> 03:10:58,680 and from Northern Silicon Valley. I'm John C. Dvorak. 3168 03:10:58,680 --> 03:10:59,220 We'll be back on 3169 03:10:59,220 --> 03:11:02,850 Sunday right here on no agenda. 3170 03:11:15,240 --> 03:11:18,690 Oreos are just as addictive as cocaine. That's 3171 03:11:24,510 --> 03:11:29,760 awesome. Joe Biden and thank you for taking the time to listen. 3172 03:11:30,120 --> 03:11:31,320 The best part 3173 03:11:34,260 --> 03:11:38,010 to vorak.org/n A