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That goat yogurt, Adam Curry, John C.

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DeVora, December 8th, twenty twenty four.

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This is your award winning give on Asian

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media assassination.

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Episode seventeen.

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Nineteen.

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This is no agenda.

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Backpacks, bombs, boondoggles and broadcasting live from the

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heart of the country here in FEMA, region

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number six in the morning.

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Everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

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And for Northern Silicon Valley, where it took

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all of nine days to turn over Syria,

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what's that all about?

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I'm John Cena Black is in the morning.

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Well, it is on the West Clark seven

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list, so.

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You know, it's did we did we already

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kind of knock that off the West Clark

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seven list or was it still officially on?

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No, son.

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Yeah.

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No, but I mean, was it already taken?

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It already been done.

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I mean, we've got we've got Lebanon.

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I guess we have Libya, I guess.

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Sudan, you know, any of this, what we

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got this, we got that.

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You don't know what we're doing.

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You know, the the oil baron was here

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this weekend.

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Ah, let's talk.

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You know, I want to talk about Syria

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and its collapse overnight.

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Yeah, that was kind of interesting, wasn't it?

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But before we do that, I think it'd

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be better to listen to this, but but

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but he had to say, well, it has

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to be.

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I have to assume this has something to

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do with oil or pipelines.

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Yes, I would agree.

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Agree with you.

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First of all, turns out that he has

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been drilling in Libya for quite a while.

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So that kind of answers the question.

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Well, that's Libya.

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We're talking about Syria.

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I know.

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I know.

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But I just said, do we have Libya

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on the West Clark seven list?

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The answer is, yeah, you said Syria at

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the beginning.

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I thought I said Libya.

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OK, I meant Libya.

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But regarding Syria and regarding oil, let me

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say this about that, because we did have

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some very interesting.

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We did.

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Hubert Humphrey did have some very interesting conversations.

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And it is specifically about this.

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Starting on day one, we will end Kamala's

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war on American energy and we will drill

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baby drill.

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We're going to drill baby drill.

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That's going to bring down prices of everything

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because energy brought it up.

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We're going to terminate the Green New Scam.

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It's called the Green New Deal.

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It's a scam.

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We took almost 10 trillion dollars for nonsense,

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for absolute nonsense.

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We'll do bridges.

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We'll do roads.

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We'll do things that we need.

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So the oil baron says all of us

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in the oil business are laughing out loud

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about this.

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He says there's not going to be any

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drill baby drill at all.

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Because ever since 2017, really, he says the

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streets, the streets, Wall Street is demanding cash

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flow instead of investment and growth.

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He says Chevron just reduced their their drilling

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by 10 percent.

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He says there's not going to be any

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drill baby drill.

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And Trump knows it.

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Everybody else knows it.

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And they're baffled other than he must have

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a plan to to lower the price of

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oil that does not include drill baby drill.

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And I think this is where Syria comes

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into play as just one of many options.

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Well, I see nothing wrong with this thesis,

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because as we know and we've talked about,

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I've talked about on this show and also

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on Horowitz's DH unplugged.

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Our oil supplies have gone way up.

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They haven't gone down during the Biden administration.

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Smart money knows this.

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What's gone up is the prices.

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But how does that work?

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How do you have supply and demand reversing?

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It's you know, you make it sound like

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there's a shortage when there's no shortage, so

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you can jack up the prices.

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Yeah, pretty slick.

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jacks up the prices to some degree.

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But he he feels that reopening Russia.

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Getting their oil back onto the market would

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be would be one way that it's going

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to take place, and we could probably see

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Also, there's something else that's taking place, which

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was just announced, I think, Friday in the

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European Union.

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And then I'll let you get into Syria.

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Twenty five years in the making, the European

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Union and the South American trade bloc, Mercosur,

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finally came to an agreement on a historic

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trade deal on Friday.

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My first message is that economically, this is

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a win win agreement.

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Europe is already Mercosur's second largest French.

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Oh, yeah.

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Investment and trade partner.

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So, you know how we do business together.

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The deal first proposed in 1999 aims to

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create one of the largest free trade zones

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in the world.

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So this is South America.

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So Argentina, lots of places with oil and

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the EU.

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no tariffs.

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So they're looking to get their energy from

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places other than the United States.

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So there's a lot of dynamics happening here.

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Well, the French aren't too pleased because they

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see this because besides the Brazil, they got

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a lot of energy that the other countries

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don't so much.

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But the but Argentina is like is really

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the beef capital of the world.

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They're going to wipe out the French beef

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farmers.

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The clip continues covering over 700 million people

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and nearly 25 percent of global GDP.

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The agreement received the support of leaders in

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Europe and South America like German Chancellor Olaf

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Scholz and Argentinian President Javier Millet, both celebrating

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the deal.

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it approved is another matter altogether.

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It needs the green light from at least

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15 of the European Union's 27 member nations.

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That could prove to be a challenge as

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several countries oppose the deal, notably France, who

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have denounced its impact on the environment as

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well as unfair competition for its farmers.

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Farmers who've on the line has looked to

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reassure and to our farmers.

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If you we've heard you listen to your

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concerns and we are acting on them.

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We have listened to your concerns.

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about you, we have nice Argentinian beef coming.

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Yeah, this is and, you know, Macron and

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France is is melting down over this.

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Is this the EU is a mess?

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It's a mess.

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France is melting down, but they're cozying up

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to Trump as fast as they can.

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It's it's it's just it's entertaining to see

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it all happen.

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I hope people find it as entertaining as

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I'm sure everyone's sitting there like talk about

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the shooter, man, the CEO shooter.

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Well, we'll get to that.

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We'll we'll get to that.

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We'll play.

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There's plenty to talk about the shooter for

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the next few weeks.

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That's shooter.

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That's the point.

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You know, there's someone murdered in New York

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City every single day.

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But this one.

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Oh, stop the presses.

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Get the media.

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Everybody.

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Oh, hair on fire.

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Oh, walking around.

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Oh, we've got drones.

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We're we're checking.

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Oh, we're finding everything.

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He's got a black coat.

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He's got a white coat.

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He's got a black backpack.

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He's got a he's got a black mask.

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He's got a white mask.

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Come on.

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Come on.

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Hilarious.

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Wait, let me just let me just do

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this to get it out of the way.

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Because wait, wait, wait.

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I got I got all this.

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I got the.

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Oh, you got the guy.

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Yeah, I got I got the clip.

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We begin with breaking news and the shooter

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who murdered the United Health Care CEO less

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than one hour ago.

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Police released these brand new images.

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Brand new.

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This comes a day after searching sent the

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NYPD underwater earlier this afternoon.

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A team was this guy's like, hey, let's

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break out the scuba gear.

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Let's go all out.

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Let's just have some fun today.

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Spotted in Central Park, searching the pond near

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Bethesda, a fountain for clues to find the

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killer.

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NYPD divers went underwater.

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Saturday's water for answers in the Central Park

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Lake by the Bethesda fountain.

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The net is tightening and we're going to

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bring this person to justice.

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The net is tightening.

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Early Wednesday morning, a killer opened fire in

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midtown targeting 50 year old Brian Thompson, CEO

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of United Health Care.

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Police believe the gunman ditched his backpack near

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the bandstand in Central Park.

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We've learned there were clothes inside, including a

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Tommy Hilfiger coat seen in some of the

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surveillance video and curiously some monopoly money.

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Police first had to make sure there were

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no explosives in the bag.

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Then they used an excavator to remove the

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backpack and some of the surrounding area in

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case there was extra DNA evidence.

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Oh, brother.

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It's all now in a lab in Queens.

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Let me get through these because this is

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hilarious.

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Wait, I didn't know this part where they

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dug up all the dirt.

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Oh, yeah, it's in a lab.

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It's in the lab in Queens.

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So I'm looking for what the media has

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not done yet is we haven't come up

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with a name.

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So I hear the Hilfiger coat.

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I'm like, could we call him the Hilfiger

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Could we call him the monopoly money murderer?

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a name for this guy.

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This is what we do in the American

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We come up with cool names and and

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we just haven't done it yet.

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I think the Hilfiger hero could be one

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because they're not going to use hero.

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Every well, the media won't do that because

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then it looks like they're encouraging this.

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Well, here's the media is aware of what's

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happening to CNN.

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The New York Times writes this, quote, The

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dark commentary after the death of the 50

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year old insurance executive from Maple Grove, Minnesota,

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highlighted the anger and frustration over the state

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of health care in America, where those with

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private insurance often find themselves in Kafka as

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tangles while seeking reimbursement for medical treatment and

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are often denied.

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And that frustration is something that doctors say

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they've seen from patients throughout their careers.

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I see people when they're at their lowest,

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when the system has failed them.

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And I'm frankly not surprised they feel abandoned.

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They feel exploited.

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They feel lied to when it comes to

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the health care system and especially insurances because

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of the things you mentioned.

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Denials, prior authorization, narrow networks, the cost of

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health care.

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It's been going on and bottling up for

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a long time.

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So our panels by Annie Linsky, you know,

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we're going to be clear here about the

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tragedy that is Mr. Thompson and his family.

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Right.

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And set that aside.

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But what we do see in the wake

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of this is an outpouring of anger around

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the way people have been treated by these

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companies.

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Now, we are, again, going to be clear.

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We are not saying that this justifies any

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sort of violence at all.

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In a CNN story that was just published

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about this, they note that a Facebook post

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that was put up by United Health Group

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expressing sadness about the CEO's death, it received

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62,000 reactions.

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I'm a 57,000 of them were laughing

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emojis, laughing emojis.

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We are so, so dark in America, so

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dark.

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And everyone is is looking at, you know,

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the possibility of this being a disgruntled patient.

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But the constitutional lawyer checked in in particular

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around the words delay, depose, defend.

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Now, we've probably all seen there is a

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book that has similar words delayed, denied, defend

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the same.

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It's the same words on the book.

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And I think now I think depose was

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one of the words in the book.

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Well, the book is a bestseller now, by

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the way.

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Yeah, we don't we don't know exactly what's

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on there, but the book is delayed and

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I defend why insurance companies don't pay claims

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and what you can do about it.

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Now, the constitutional lawyer writes in and I

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was allowed to talk about this.

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He says my firm represents scores of doctors

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in reimbursement cases against United Health Care.

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United Health Care is notorious for not reimbursing

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physicians, even emergency physicians who have no choice

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but to treat emergency patients.

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And my first thought, he said, is when

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I heard about this assassination was the assassin

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might be a disgruntled doctor.

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It will be interesting to learn more about

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the suspect.

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And he said he said, I should add

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that the United Health Care is hardly alone

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in this respect.

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I know the health care industry is of

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course has has questionable conduct all around, but

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the insurers are distressingly cheap when it comes

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to reimbursing physicians who are billing them for

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their services.

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I have seen emergency doctors who have stitched

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people back together after horrific accidents in the

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insurers pay their claims at fractions of a

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penny on the dollar, sometimes don't pay them

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anything at all.

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So we need to take a doctor into

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account.

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And then the we remember the United Health

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hack on Optum, which is their their network.

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That happened on February 21st, 2024, United Health

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discovered a cybersecurity breach on the same day

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Nancy Pelosi made her second purchase of call

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options in Palo Alto Networks, who then were

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announced as the company chosen to investigate the

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breach.

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That's always fun to bring in Pelosi.

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And.

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I have to say that all of the

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video evidence we're being shown is such bull

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crap.

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Literally, the guy, he's in the taxi cab

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with a white mask.

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He's in the youth hostel with a with

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a with a tan jacket and a black

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backpack.

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I mean, everything is bunk, but we do

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have another possible name here.

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You see, authorities say he was calculated, but

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sloppy, leaving behind a burner phone and a

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water bottle that's being tested for DNA.

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We're looking for the passport.

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A flirtatious smile with a front desk clerk

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at a hostel could help break the case,

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according to authorities.

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It's an age old story.

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Beauty killed the beast.

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She said, oh, let me see your face.

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And he just said, OK, and pulls his

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mask down.

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And here we are.

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Beauty killed the beast.

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I mean, they're loving it.

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And of course, don't don't worry about Trump's

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assassination attempt.

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Don't talk about that.

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You know, don't talk about anything.

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Tucker talking to Lavrov is not important.

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Let's focus on this.

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So I have to call it the distraction

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of the week at this point.

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So, yeah, it's going to get worse because

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I was reading a newsletter for a for

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the one of these substack things that come

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that I'm sorry, this is the one from

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McCullough McCullough Foundation.

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They have a lot of weird theories.

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And I think that maybe the guy was

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a actual pro made to look like an

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amateur.

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There you go.

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So it was very meta.

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Yeah.

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And and the reason was is because this

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guy, this the CEO was going to the

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meeting to blow the lid off with some

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facts about Medicare fraud and scams that are

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going on.

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Well, it just as an aside, it is.

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And we even talked about, I think, on

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the show at some point that UnitedHealthcare specifically

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had moved away from having people review cases

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and a turn to the old mighty A

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.I. And they went from 10 point things

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like 10.9 denial percentage to 22 percentage

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points because of A.I. You know, which

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which also I mean, that by itself seems

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like a very iffy practice at best.

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So there's not a lot of love, and

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I think this is also in a way,

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John, but we played those clips from the

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insurance, the health insurance coalition about how they

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have all the pieces and how it operates.

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A lot of people went, I didn't know

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that they have no idea.

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So I think we are in the middle

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of the season of reveal.

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Yeah.

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Any chance I get.

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Yeah, I don't know why.

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Because beyond me, people are learning.

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People are learning about, you know, how the

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system works.

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They know it wasn't working in their favor,

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but now they're like, oh, wait a minute.

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This is truly, truly rigged.

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I think a lot of people didn't realize

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this.

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You know, this brought up something that this

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is off off this topic, but it's similar

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in terms of the sociology.

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So we're at dinner of J.C. and

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Jesse were over the house and the J

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.C. brought up this interesting phenomenon he's discovered.

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He says that when he mentions to any

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liberals whatsoever about the fact that there was

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a phone app that illegals were using to

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to bypass the system, they'd go on this

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app and then they'd get into the country.

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Yeah, the CPB.

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We all know about the phone app.

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Yeah.

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Not one liberal that he knows, believes, knows

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about this.

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And they're all aghast about it.

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He says so far it's 30 for 30.

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Wow.

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But then they're shocked.

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They're they're actually shocked.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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So so it's everything is like this.

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Yeah.

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I mean, we have family members who are

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convinced that Trump is going to take away

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their Social Security, convinced.

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Demanding a full refund today of everything they've

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paid in.

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He says the only common denominator he can

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find is they all read the New York

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Times.

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Yeah, that would probably do it.

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Yeah.

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But, you know, does anyone go after the

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New York Times and blow them up?

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No.

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There's your problem.

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Let's go to the root of the problem,

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people.

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Let's go to the roots.

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Probably wouldn't help.

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Not advocating for that, obviously.

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And it probably wouldn't help.

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No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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Anyway, let's get to Syria, because Syria has

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a number of aspects to it.

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And I see that you're you're loaded for

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bear.

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Actually, I have plenty of stuff.

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But first, I want to play the rundown

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that took this is yesterday's story.

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This is Syria.

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Good rundown from NPR.

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And this is from yesterday in Syria.

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Rebels are nearing Damascus after they claim they

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took the city of Homs.

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Meanwhile, Qatar has hosted a flurry of meetings,

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including one between Saudi Arabia and Iran and

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another between top figures from Hamas and Turkey.

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What exactly constitutes a flurry?

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More than two.

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The most urgent meeting, though, focused on Syria

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and the lightning advances by fighters, they're seeking

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to topple the government.

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And here's I have a Charlie has more.

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The meeting brought together the Syrian government's most

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important backers, Russia and Iran, with the fighters

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main backer, Turkey.

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Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said the ministers

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called for ending hostile activities in Syria and

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implementing a years old U.N. resolution for

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a political process between the government and opposition.

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Lavrov said he cannot forecast what Russia will

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do militarily to support the Syrian government, but

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that guessing what is going to happen.

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We are trying to do everything not to

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allow terrorists to prevail, even if they say

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that they are no longer terrorists.

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It comes as fighters led by Hayat Tahrir

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Sham inch closer to the Syrian capital after

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a blitz on key cities in recent days.

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Hold on a second.

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Was that Lavrov from the Tucker interview?

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Because that's what it sounds like.

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Well, he always sounds like Lavrov from the

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Tucker interview.

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I watched the whole interview, and I think

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that was that was taken from the I'm

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just as a point of interest, like, oh,

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OK.

551
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,180
Well, that would be interesting if they're taking

552
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,600
if NPR is taking clips from Tucker, it

553
00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:22,560
wouldn't surprise me.

554
00:20:25,210 --> 00:20:26,210
Oh, yeah.

555
00:20:26,790 --> 00:20:30,050
So I have I have the the.

556
00:20:30,730 --> 00:20:34,750
Thirty second breaking news from the from from

557
00:20:34,750 --> 00:20:37,050
this morning, which I'm sure you have a

558
00:20:37,050 --> 00:20:37,990
longer version of.

559
00:20:38,450 --> 00:20:41,050
I have the well, let me let's play

560
00:20:41,050 --> 00:20:43,030
this first before we get into the analysis,

561
00:20:43,270 --> 00:20:44,530
which is the part that I wanted to

562
00:20:44,530 --> 00:20:44,850
play.

563
00:20:46,630 --> 00:20:49,130
The breaking news is that they the place

564
00:20:49,130 --> 00:20:49,890
fell apart.

565
00:20:50,110 --> 00:20:50,830
Assad is gone.

566
00:20:51,470 --> 00:20:52,590
Assad flees.

567
00:20:54,110 --> 00:20:55,890
Does it tell you where he went?

568
00:20:56,330 --> 00:20:58,110
No, it doesn't even tell you how he

569
00:20:58,110 --> 00:20:58,410
fled.

570
00:20:58,410 --> 00:21:02,250
But all I saw consistently was like, am

571
00:21:02,250 --> 00:21:05,670
I watching a rerun of Iraq where they're

572
00:21:05,670 --> 00:21:08,690
pulling down the statues of Saddam Hussein?

573
00:21:08,890 --> 00:21:10,430
It's exactly the same.

574
00:21:10,910 --> 00:21:11,950
Pulling down statues.

575
00:21:12,210 --> 00:21:13,790
Not from what I could tell, looking at

576
00:21:13,790 --> 00:21:16,470
the real reporting that took place by the

577
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:18,330
by the bonus to play the bonus clip.

578
00:21:18,390 --> 00:21:20,790
And then we can go into discussing that.

579
00:21:20,890 --> 00:21:21,670
It's a long one.

580
00:21:21,770 --> 00:21:22,310
Three minutes.

581
00:21:22,430 --> 00:21:22,790
This bonus.

582
00:21:22,830 --> 00:21:25,050
It's because I didn't have time to chop

583
00:21:25,050 --> 00:21:25,410
it up.

584
00:21:25,410 --> 00:21:28,130
Just a short time ago, CNN's chief international

585
00:21:28,130 --> 00:21:31,550
correspondent Clarissa Ward was on Lebanon's border with

586
00:21:31,550 --> 00:21:35,170
Syria, where celebrations erupted after the Bashar al

587
00:21:35,170 --> 00:21:36,830
-Assad regime collapsed.

588
00:21:37,790 --> 00:21:40,610
We are just now about 20 miles from

589
00:21:40,610 --> 00:21:41,370
the Syrian border.

590
00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:44,870
And you can see celebrations are breaking out

591
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:45,270
everywhere.

592
00:21:45,450 --> 00:21:48,190
This woman actually has just offered me some

593
00:21:48,190 --> 00:21:48,590
sweets.

594
00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:50,470
My brook and the Lebanese.

595
00:21:54,910 --> 00:21:57,110
This is the mood right now.

596
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:58,050
It is festive.

597
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:59,110
It is jubilant.

598
00:21:59,710 --> 00:22:00,510
Take a look with me.

599
00:22:00,650 --> 00:22:03,630
You can see people are waving the flag,

600
00:22:03,790 --> 00:22:05,890
the flag of the Syrian revolution.

601
00:22:06,730 --> 00:22:08,350
It has got three stars.

602
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:09,990
You can see children.

603
00:22:12,250 --> 00:22:14,770
And it's just an extraordinary moment.

604
00:22:16,010 --> 00:22:18,610
I think no one realized that this would

605
00:22:18,610 --> 00:22:19,730
ever actually happen.

606
00:22:20,350 --> 00:22:23,950
After so many years of waiting, so many

607
00:22:23,950 --> 00:22:27,210
years, a lot of fireworks, as well as

608
00:22:27,210 --> 00:22:29,570
people in Syria.

609
00:22:30,770 --> 00:22:32,090
And I'm on the house.

610
00:22:33,010 --> 00:22:33,370
And I'm still in the house.

611
00:22:33,630 --> 00:22:35,270
I'm going to be able to see the

612
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:36,050
Bashar al-Assad.

613
00:22:36,770 --> 00:22:38,570
And I'm so proud.

614
00:22:38,570 --> 00:22:39,050
Wow.

615
00:22:40,030 --> 00:22:42,390
Well, it's like Amsterdam on New Year's Eve.

616
00:22:43,070 --> 00:22:44,410
Now she goes on and on.

617
00:22:44,530 --> 00:22:47,210
This Clarissa Ward is something to behold.

618
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:50,050
She is the foreign correspondent.

619
00:22:50,210 --> 00:22:51,710
I am going to read from her wiki

620
00:22:51,710 --> 00:22:52,150
page.

621
00:22:52,450 --> 00:22:53,750
Yes, here we go.

622
00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:54,950
Let me.

623
00:22:55,010 --> 00:22:56,970
I don't think I don't know what kind

624
00:22:56,970 --> 00:22:59,570
of a spook she is or if she's

625
00:22:59,570 --> 00:23:00,630
just spook adjacent.

626
00:23:01,370 --> 00:23:04,410
But she's been she was a war correspondent

627
00:23:04,410 --> 00:23:08,210
or a foreign correspondent for CBS, ABC, Fox.

628
00:23:08,850 --> 00:23:11,190
She's been positioned all over the world.

629
00:23:11,870 --> 00:23:13,230
Now she's with CNN.

630
00:23:13,370 --> 00:23:15,030
She's the first that doesn't say it in

631
00:23:15,030 --> 00:23:15,490
this report.

632
00:23:15,490 --> 00:23:17,770
But she is the only boots on the

633
00:23:17,770 --> 00:23:19,810
ground reporter for all Western media.

634
00:23:20,030 --> 00:23:22,670
She's actually in Damascus as we speak.

635
00:23:23,230 --> 00:23:26,110
And she is just hanging out.

636
00:23:26,170 --> 00:23:27,870
She says, let me read this.

637
00:23:27,950 --> 00:23:33,470
Ward speaks fluent English, French, Italian, Russian, Arabic,

638
00:23:34,090 --> 00:23:36,330
Spanish, Mandarin Chinese.

639
00:23:37,090 --> 00:23:38,470
What's her first name again?

640
00:23:39,230 --> 00:23:39,830
Clarissa.

641
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:40,530
Clarissa.

642
00:23:40,550 --> 00:23:41,690
You can look at her to see if

643
00:23:41,690 --> 00:23:44,050
she looks she has a kind of a

644
00:23:44,050 --> 00:23:45,150
common look.

645
00:23:45,150 --> 00:23:46,670
That's she cute.

646
00:23:48,450 --> 00:23:49,250
She's more.

647
00:23:49,470 --> 00:23:50,330
Let's put it this way.

648
00:23:50,350 --> 00:23:51,150
You're going to look at pictures.

649
00:23:51,470 --> 00:23:53,710
She's more telegenic than photogenic.

650
00:23:53,970 --> 00:23:55,970
Yeah, yeah, I see what you're saying.

651
00:23:56,130 --> 00:23:57,990
Yale, Yale, Yale, Yale.

652
00:23:58,210 --> 00:23:58,450
OK.

653
00:23:59,570 --> 00:24:01,090
Yes, but she has no other.

654
00:24:01,470 --> 00:24:03,250
But she was like born and she lives

655
00:24:03,250 --> 00:24:04,330
in England and London.

656
00:24:04,450 --> 00:24:05,270
She's a Londoner.

657
00:24:05,390 --> 00:24:08,150
She was her parents are American and British.

658
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:09,250
No good for her.

659
00:24:09,690 --> 00:24:09,870
Yeah.

660
00:24:09,910 --> 00:24:11,390
Well, finally, she's got something to do.

661
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:12,170
That's good for us.

662
00:24:12,170 --> 00:24:14,150
No, well, she's she was at the in

663
00:24:14,150 --> 00:24:16,690
Iraq when Hussein fell.

664
00:24:16,810 --> 00:24:19,210
She was this woman has knows how to

665
00:24:19,210 --> 00:24:20,230
position herself.

666
00:24:20,570 --> 00:24:21,950
Basically, if this woman shows up in your

667
00:24:21,950 --> 00:24:24,530
country, batten down the hatches is what you're

668
00:24:24,530 --> 00:24:24,830
saying.

669
00:24:25,050 --> 00:24:25,230
OK.

670
00:24:25,710 --> 00:24:27,310
There's some elements of that.

671
00:24:27,470 --> 00:24:27,890
It looks like.

672
00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:30,550
So she goes on and she's there reporting

673
00:24:30,550 --> 00:24:31,710
and she talks.

674
00:24:31,870 --> 00:24:33,690
And there's a bunch of stuff left out.

675
00:24:33,790 --> 00:24:34,950
And she she breaks it up, but she

676
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:35,910
doesn't discuss it.

677
00:24:36,430 --> 00:24:38,290
And one of them is the third star

678
00:24:38,290 --> 00:24:41,490
on the Iraqi flag, which is what the

679
00:24:41,490 --> 00:24:42,450
rebels are using.

680
00:24:42,850 --> 00:24:44,750
And it's like the Iraqi flag is two

681
00:24:44,750 --> 00:24:46,290
stars is that there's a third star.

682
00:24:46,590 --> 00:24:49,390
But that third star flag has been in

683
00:24:49,390 --> 00:24:51,890
and out of vogue since the 40s.

684
00:24:52,050 --> 00:24:54,290
It comes and goes with different colors.

685
00:24:54,730 --> 00:24:57,710
The Iraqi flag itself is a mystery as

686
00:24:57,710 --> 00:24:58,550
to what it is.

687
00:24:58,610 --> 00:24:59,110
Listen to this.

688
00:24:59,350 --> 00:25:02,110
Listen, she she got married in 2016 to

689
00:25:02,110 --> 00:25:05,630
Philip von Bernsdorf, a fund manager whom she

690
00:25:05,630 --> 00:25:08,050
met in 2007 at a dinner party in

691
00:25:08,050 --> 00:25:09,950
Moscow as one does.

692
00:25:10,430 --> 00:25:13,110
I mean, yes, as one does the whole.

693
00:25:13,650 --> 00:25:14,130
Yeah.

694
00:25:14,550 --> 00:25:16,430
When you start seeing it, you know, this

695
00:25:16,430 --> 00:25:17,110
sort of thing.

696
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:18,010
What dinner party?

697
00:25:19,930 --> 00:25:22,410
Where's my dinner party in Moscow?

698
00:25:22,770 --> 00:25:26,190
And, you know, met a fund manager.

699
00:25:26,430 --> 00:25:26,670
Yeah.

700
00:25:26,730 --> 00:25:27,030
OK.

701
00:25:27,290 --> 00:25:27,530
Yeah.

702
00:25:27,790 --> 00:25:28,150
All right.

703
00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:28,450
Good.

704
00:25:28,830 --> 00:25:28,990
Yeah.

705
00:25:29,090 --> 00:25:30,270
Oh, it's great.

706
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:32,490
It makes it makes our job entertaining.

707
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:33,630
Yes.

708
00:25:33,710 --> 00:25:36,130
And she is good at what she does.

709
00:25:36,130 --> 00:25:37,950
And she's wandering around.

710
00:25:37,950 --> 00:25:39,730
She didn't have a headscarf or anything.

711
00:25:39,850 --> 00:25:44,030
She's wandering around, looking very Western, speaking fluent

712
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:46,230
street Arabic.

713
00:25:46,690 --> 00:25:46,790
Yeah.

714
00:25:47,170 --> 00:25:49,150
And talking to everybody.

715
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:51,170
It's the funniest report to watch.

716
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:52,930
But it's all this morning.

717
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:55,830
There's she's dominating the scene because she's the

718
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:58,470
only one that's actually made inroads now.

719
00:25:58,510 --> 00:25:59,950
But we skipped the rest of it.

720
00:26:00,070 --> 00:26:03,830
Let's get into the analysis because obviously with

721
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:05,990
oil in mind and everything else is going.

722
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:08,910
Well, the analysis tells me one thing in

723
00:26:08,910 --> 00:26:11,070
particular, why this happened in the first place.

724
00:26:11,630 --> 00:26:14,770
And I have to harken back to the

725
00:26:14,770 --> 00:26:18,910
commentary that we have from our various Muslim

726
00:26:18,910 --> 00:26:21,490
contacts that listen to the show like to

727
00:26:21,490 --> 00:26:22,530
tell us contacts.

728
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:24,290
Oh, I like how you position that.

729
00:26:24,730 --> 00:26:28,370
And they are they have one of them

730
00:26:28,370 --> 00:26:30,910
was actually predicting this would happen on Fridays.

731
00:26:31,270 --> 00:26:34,530
And our contact said Syria is going down.

732
00:26:34,530 --> 00:26:35,930
It was before it was on the news.

733
00:26:37,030 --> 00:26:37,130
Yeah.

734
00:26:37,690 --> 00:26:43,870
And the the commentary earlier on in this

735
00:26:43,870 --> 00:26:48,110
discussion was that the that the street thinks

736
00:26:48,110 --> 00:26:54,170
that the United States, Iran and Russia are

737
00:26:54,170 --> 00:26:55,670
in all this together.

738
00:26:56,090 --> 00:26:58,990
The streets, not the Wall Street, but the

739
00:26:58,990 --> 00:27:01,650
streets of of the Middle Streets of Cairo,

740
00:27:01,770 --> 00:27:02,830
basically.

741
00:27:03,330 --> 00:27:03,590
Yeah.

742
00:27:03,790 --> 00:27:04,990
Oh, OK.

743
00:27:05,130 --> 00:27:09,470
So so Russia, America and Iraq, you said

744
00:27:09,470 --> 00:27:10,350
Iran.

745
00:27:10,610 --> 00:27:11,110
Oh, Iran.

746
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:13,190
Oh, well, this is what the Iranians always

747
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:13,590
say.

748
00:27:14,010 --> 00:27:16,010
They say we're always working with the US

749
00:27:16,010 --> 00:27:16,450
together.

750
00:27:16,570 --> 00:27:17,950
But I'm I'm all in.

751
00:27:19,050 --> 00:27:21,430
So the analysis does bring up a point

752
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:25,270
that kind of I don't think NPR notices

753
00:27:25,270 --> 00:27:27,350
it when they bring this guy on to

754
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:28,110
talk about it.

755
00:27:28,190 --> 00:27:29,130
But I did.

756
00:27:29,470 --> 00:27:30,950
Here we go with analysis one.

757
00:27:31,670 --> 00:27:33,170
This is not the CIP.

758
00:27:33,310 --> 00:27:33,870
OK, I got it.

759
00:27:33,950 --> 00:27:35,050
Syria analysis one.

760
00:27:35,130 --> 00:27:35,410
Got it.

761
00:27:35,670 --> 00:27:37,670
It has been a dramatic week in Syria

762
00:27:37,670 --> 00:27:39,910
as the country's long stagnant civil war, which

763
00:27:39,910 --> 00:27:42,390
began in the early 2010s, has reignited.

764
00:27:43,150 --> 00:27:45,170
Insurgent groups have taken over big cities, long

765
00:27:45,170 --> 00:27:48,450
controlled by Syrian President Bashar Assad's authoritarian government.

766
00:27:48,450 --> 00:27:50,550
And today they reached the suburbs of the

767
00:27:50,550 --> 00:27:53,410
capital city, Damascus, according to the Associated Press.

768
00:27:53,890 --> 00:27:55,730
I think we should just stop for one

769
00:27:55,730 --> 00:28:02,170
second and remind everybody that in 2010, 2012,

770
00:28:03,570 --> 00:28:07,290
the Guardian published an article about when Brad

771
00:28:07,290 --> 00:28:09,970
Pitt and Angelina Jolie met the Assad's.

772
00:28:10,090 --> 00:28:10,930
Do we remember this?

773
00:28:11,090 --> 00:28:11,490
I think we just.

774
00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:13,230
Oh, yes, there was a photo op.

775
00:28:13,310 --> 00:28:14,890
We need to we need to present this

776
00:28:14,890 --> 00:28:17,270
properly so that you understand how quickly this

777
00:28:17,270 --> 00:28:17,810
turned.

778
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:20,870
And they weren't the only ones that were

779
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:22,190
doing photo ops with them.

780
00:28:22,270 --> 00:28:22,650
Oh, no.

781
00:28:23,050 --> 00:28:25,830
And his wife was in Vogue magazine, by

782
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:28,090
the way, that Vogue magazine no longer available

783
00:28:28,090 --> 00:28:28,750
online.

784
00:28:29,390 --> 00:28:31,250
And Asma, and she says, my husband was

785
00:28:31,250 --> 00:28:32,310
driving us all to lunch.

786
00:28:32,430 --> 00:28:34,270
It relates, Asma is in The Guardian.

787
00:28:34,650 --> 00:28:35,790
And out of the corner of my eye,

788
00:28:35,790 --> 00:28:37,530
I could see Brad Pitt was fidgeting.

789
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:39,650
I turned around and asked, is anything wrong?

790
00:28:40,150 --> 00:28:41,130
Where's your security?

791
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:41,770
Asked Pitt.

792
00:28:42,170 --> 00:28:43,350
So I started teasing him.

793
00:28:43,570 --> 00:28:44,970
Oh, see that old woman on the street?

794
00:28:45,050 --> 00:28:45,670
She's one of them.

795
00:28:45,790 --> 00:28:47,110
That old guy crossing the road.

796
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:48,230
Yeah, that's the other security.

797
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:50,350
The president joins in the punch line.

798
00:28:50,810 --> 00:28:52,870
Brad Pitt wanted to send his security guards

799
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:54,290
here to come and get some training.

800
00:28:55,030 --> 00:28:58,010
So it was so laid back during the

801
00:28:58,010 --> 00:29:01,750
so-called dictator's reign and gassing the people,

802
00:29:01,750 --> 00:29:04,630
which we also found out was completely bogus,

803
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:05,970
completely.

804
00:29:07,030 --> 00:29:08,710
It's all been theater.

805
00:29:08,890 --> 00:29:10,450
It's all been bullcrap.

806
00:29:10,530 --> 00:29:11,930
His dad did some bad stuff.

807
00:29:12,050 --> 00:29:15,410
But this ophthalmologist, not much of a dictator.

808
00:29:15,530 --> 00:29:17,750
But that's been the narrative for the past

809
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:18,450
12 years.

810
00:29:19,630 --> 00:29:21,930
I think I think we we've positioned.

811
00:29:22,130 --> 00:29:23,170
Yeah, I'm not going to argue that.

812
00:29:23,170 --> 00:29:24,170
OK, we'll continue.

813
00:29:24,730 --> 00:29:26,670
As we monitor this fast changing story, we're

814
00:29:26,670 --> 00:29:28,450
going to focus in on one aspect of

815
00:29:28,450 --> 00:29:28,730
it.

816
00:29:28,790 --> 00:29:30,270
The role that Russia has played in keeping

817
00:29:30,270 --> 00:29:32,650
Assad's government in power and how that has

818
00:29:32,650 --> 00:29:34,330
changed in this latest phase.

819
00:29:34,890 --> 00:29:37,330
Russian President Vladimir Putin has for years provided

820
00:29:37,330 --> 00:29:39,970
critical military support that propped up the Assad

821
00:29:39,970 --> 00:29:40,410
regime.

822
00:29:40,890 --> 00:29:42,810
But with a war dragging on in Ukraine

823
00:29:42,810 --> 00:29:44,930
and a struggling economy at home in Russia,

824
00:29:45,090 --> 00:29:46,850
the thinking seems to be different.

825
00:29:47,490 --> 00:29:49,030
Here to talk more about this is Mark

826
00:29:49,030 --> 00:29:51,730
Katz, a professor emeritus at George Mason University

827
00:29:51,730 --> 00:29:54,610
who specializes in Russian policy toward the Middle

828
00:29:54,610 --> 00:29:54,850
East.

829
00:29:55,150 --> 00:29:55,350
Welcome.

830
00:29:55,550 --> 00:29:56,590
Great to be here.

831
00:29:56,810 --> 00:29:58,410
As I just laid out, it's been such

832
00:29:58,410 --> 00:30:00,510
a surprising last few days in the Syrian

833
00:30:00,510 --> 00:30:01,310
civil war.

834
00:30:01,510 --> 00:30:02,810
It's been going on for more than a

835
00:30:02,810 --> 00:30:03,230
decade.

836
00:30:04,350 --> 00:30:07,070
Let's look backward, especially to those early years

837
00:30:07,070 --> 00:30:07,650
of the war.

838
00:30:08,090 --> 00:30:11,070
How critical was Putin's support for Assad and

839
00:30:11,070 --> 00:30:13,510
Russia's support for the Syrian government in those

840
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:14,450
early years of this war?

841
00:30:14,550 --> 00:30:16,710
And since it was really very important, I

842
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:19,730
mean, certainly from the outbreak of the Arab

843
00:30:19,730 --> 00:30:23,950
Spring in 2011 up until mid 2015, Putin

844
00:30:23,950 --> 00:30:27,430
was sending arms, but it was Iranians and

845
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:29,970
Hezbollah who were fighting on the ground to

846
00:30:29,970 --> 00:30:31,150
defend Assad.

847
00:30:31,550 --> 00:30:34,490
But then 2015, Assad seemed to be on

848
00:30:34,490 --> 00:30:35,090
the ropes.

849
00:30:35,690 --> 00:30:38,730
But Putin's intervention in September of that year

850
00:30:38,730 --> 00:30:41,850
really turned things around, saved Assad, helped him

851
00:30:41,850 --> 00:30:45,670
gain back territory and didn't take all that

852
00:30:45,670 --> 00:30:46,330
many men.

853
00:30:46,330 --> 00:30:48,470
And partly because, you know, the Iranians and

854
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:50,630
Hezbollah had a lot of people there already.

855
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:55,090
But Putin's small intervention was successful compared to

856
00:30:55,090 --> 00:30:58,830
the large American interventions in Afghanistan and Iraq

857
00:30:58,830 --> 00:30:59,530
that were not.

858
00:30:59,650 --> 00:31:00,890
So it was very dramatic.

859
00:31:01,830 --> 00:31:04,450
Surely in this NPR analysis, they mentioned that

860
00:31:04,450 --> 00:31:09,450
we've had a military personnel in Syria flying

861
00:31:09,450 --> 00:31:12,010
drones, doing all kinds of stuff up until,

862
00:31:12,010 --> 00:31:15,750
you know, up until this so-called revolt,

863
00:31:15,870 --> 00:31:20,470
revolution, capture, et cetera, and that we've funded

864
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:20,910
rebel.

865
00:31:21,010 --> 00:31:22,730
I mean, do they have any history?

866
00:31:22,850 --> 00:31:23,990
Do they remember anything?

867
00:31:27,060 --> 00:31:28,240
This is really about.

868
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,800
The theme of this little analysis turns out

869
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,060
to be all mostly about Russia.

870
00:31:35,340 --> 00:31:35,940
Gee.

871
00:31:37,900 --> 00:31:40,780
And what it which brings us to when

872
00:31:40,780 --> 00:31:43,380
we get to the end, it brings us

873
00:31:43,380 --> 00:31:46,900
back around to the thesis that you introduced

874
00:31:46,900 --> 00:31:51,260
early, unthinkingly about oil, getting Russia back in

875
00:31:51,260 --> 00:31:52,120
the oil game.

876
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:52,500
Yeah.

877
00:31:53,940 --> 00:31:54,580
All right.

878
00:31:54,620 --> 00:31:54,940
Part two.

879
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,360
What's the best way to frame the current

880
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,480
Russian interest in Syria right now, whether that's

881
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,520
the focus of the Russian government or whether

882
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,700
that's Russian manpower in Syria or not in

883
00:32:04,700 --> 00:32:04,980
Syria?

884
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,780
I think the relationship with Syria is very

885
00:32:07,780 --> 00:32:10,140
important because at the time of the Arab

886
00:32:10,140 --> 00:32:13,260
Spring, Assad was his last Arab ally.

887
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,640
And if he had fallen, there wouldn't have

888
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,500
been much room for Russian influence in the

889
00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:19,960
Middle East.

890
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,880
But the fact that not only did Putin

891
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,840
save Assad, but oddly enough, even Arab governments

892
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,020
who didn't like Assad were impressed by Putin

893
00:32:30,020 --> 00:32:33,700
having supported him so strongly compared to what

894
00:32:33,700 --> 00:32:36,360
they claimed was a lack of American support

895
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:37,700
for its allies.

896
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,380
And so I think that, you know, Putin's

897
00:32:41,380 --> 00:32:44,440
position in Syria has helped him, you know,

898
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,760
build relations with a lot of countries, Egypt,

899
00:32:47,020 --> 00:32:49,700
Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates in particular.

900
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,680
And they have, you know, very important relations

901
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:53,480
with these.

902
00:32:53,780 --> 00:32:55,620
But now if Assad is going to fall

903
00:32:55,620 --> 00:32:58,260
and the question arises is, well, just how

904
00:32:58,260 --> 00:33:00,840
how useful an ally is Putin after all.

905
00:33:01,460 --> 00:33:01,560
Right.

906
00:33:01,580 --> 00:33:03,620
And has there been any Russian support in

907
00:33:03,620 --> 00:33:05,820
this particular dire moment for the Assad government?

908
00:33:05,820 --> 00:33:07,400
Or is it fair to say that Russia

909
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,360
is focused on Ukraine and just is not

910
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,020
able to contribute in the same way?

911
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:12,960
Russia is mainly focused on Ukraine.

912
00:33:13,220 --> 00:33:15,660
And certainly the the images and the reporting

913
00:33:15,660 --> 00:33:18,380
seems to be that the Russians are moving

914
00:33:18,380 --> 00:33:18,720
out.

915
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,380
They've moved their naval vessels out of the

916
00:33:21,380 --> 00:33:22,760
port at Tartarus.

917
00:33:23,300 --> 00:33:26,380
They seem to be pulling back their assets

918
00:33:26,380 --> 00:33:28,200
to the, you know, both the air base

919
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,300
and the naval base.

920
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,900
They're not they're not moving people in.

921
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,760
They seem to be moving people away from

922
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:34,180
the battle.

923
00:33:34,180 --> 00:33:35,500
How does this guy know?

924
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:37,600
Is it you?

925
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:39,760
How does he know?

926
00:33:40,060 --> 00:33:41,060
Don't know his sources.

927
00:33:41,460 --> 00:33:43,620
I mean, I mean, he's in the marriage.

928
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,360
He's retired, supposedly.

929
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,460
If it came from that ward woman, I'd

930
00:33:47,460 --> 00:33:49,060
take it as, you know, some fact.

931
00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:50,320
But this guy's sitting somewhere.

932
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:51,080
Where is he, London?

933
00:33:51,260 --> 00:33:51,860
Where is he sitting?

934
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,240
He is in.

935
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,900
They do say, I think, at the very

936
00:33:55,900 --> 00:33:58,860
end, OK, he's in the Middle East someplace

937
00:33:58,860 --> 00:33:59,500
doing something.

938
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:00,780
I don't know what it is.

939
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,520
This whole thing is spooky to the extreme.

940
00:34:04,180 --> 00:34:06,400
And so he knows because he knows, hey,

941
00:34:06,540 --> 00:34:07,600
he knows because he knows.

942
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,100
But this what's clear is that this was

943
00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:11,900
like a knee jerk.

944
00:34:12,020 --> 00:34:13,780
Like someone said, OK, let's do this.

945
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,060
Because there was no ramp up, there was

946
00:34:17,060 --> 00:34:18,639
no media ramp up to it.

947
00:34:18,699 --> 00:34:21,000
We haven't really heard about the evil dictator

948
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,300
Assad for quite a number of years.

949
00:34:24,420 --> 00:34:26,139
Now, the whole thing is overnight.

950
00:34:26,420 --> 00:34:26,760
Yes.

951
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,199
This is the Clarissa mentioned this the entire

952
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:35,139
revolution, quote unquote, this this civil war, whatever.

953
00:34:35,460 --> 00:34:41,020
It's nine days total from beginning to end.

954
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:41,840
But how does that work?

955
00:34:41,940 --> 00:34:44,020
It's been dragging on its feet forever.

956
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:45,780
And I love these guys with the with

957
00:34:45,780 --> 00:34:50,620
the fresh, completely spot free, soil free new

958
00:34:50,620 --> 00:34:51,360
camos.

959
00:34:51,860 --> 00:34:53,239
Their boots are clean.

960
00:34:54,179 --> 00:34:55,840
I mean, it's like someone went in, dropped

961
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,080
off a container of gear.

962
00:34:57,140 --> 00:34:58,400
OK, it's time.

963
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:02,900
The objects are obvious.

964
00:35:02,900 --> 00:35:04,980
So what does that mean for the Assad

965
00:35:04,980 --> 00:35:05,460
government?

966
00:35:05,780 --> 00:35:07,620
First and foremost, do you think that if

967
00:35:07,620 --> 00:35:09,040
the support is just not there, do you

968
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,720
think that makes the coming weeks that much

969
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:11,780
more precarious?

970
00:35:11,940 --> 00:35:15,040
It makes the coming days much more precarious

971
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,540
for the coming hours.

972
00:35:16,820 --> 00:35:16,940
What?

973
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,360
Why is he coming hours?

974
00:35:18,460 --> 00:35:20,060
He nailed it from yesterday.

975
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:21,500
Why is he laughing?

976
00:35:21,580 --> 00:35:22,340
Because he knows.

977
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:23,800
Yeah.

978
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,380
Why do you think he's laughing?

979
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,000
And then he throws in the coming hours.

980
00:35:28,260 --> 00:35:29,000
Yeah, it's not there.

981
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,520
Do you think that makes the coming weeks

982
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,020
that much more precarious?

983
00:35:32,020 --> 00:35:35,260
It makes the coming days much more precarious

984
00:35:35,260 --> 00:35:36,780
in the coming hours.

985
00:35:37,820 --> 00:35:39,280
Yeah, I think that certainly there have been

986
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,580
some complaints by Russians that Assad has not

987
00:35:42,580 --> 00:35:45,180
been willing to fight, that Assad's troops have

988
00:35:45,180 --> 00:35:46,340
not been willing to fight.

989
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,680
So the implication is, how can Russia defend

990
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,380
people who aren't willing to defend themselves?

991
00:35:52,140 --> 00:35:55,360
It just seems that the Russians seem to

992
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,200
understand that the situation is pretty dire and

993
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:00,680
that they're just not in a position to

994
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:00,900
help.

995
00:36:00,900 --> 00:36:03,460
And we've also seen the Iranians seem to

996
00:36:03,460 --> 00:36:05,380
be moving out as well, which I think

997
00:36:05,380 --> 00:36:08,400
is really surprising, because if anything, the relationship

998
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,820
with Syria is even more important to them

999
00:36:10,820 --> 00:36:12,220
than to Russia.

1000
00:36:12,420 --> 00:36:13,720
Although it's obviously debatable.

1001
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,120
If the Assad government falls, how much does

1002
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:17,480
that weaken Russia in the Middle East?

1003
00:36:17,900 --> 00:36:20,360
Well, it's certainly it's going to hurt Russia.

1004
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,140
Now, of course, I mean, they have relations

1005
00:36:23,140 --> 00:36:25,960
with places that do important things to them.

1006
00:36:26,020 --> 00:36:29,800
There's cooperation with the Saudis on oil, lots

1007
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,220
of economic cooperation with the UAE.

1008
00:36:32,420 --> 00:36:36,760
Certainly the Egyptians will probably still work with

1009
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:36,960
them.

1010
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,160
But it means that Putin is not as

1011
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:40,740
powerful.

1012
00:36:41,420 --> 00:36:42,540
And I think that for a lot of

1013
00:36:42,540 --> 00:36:46,640
countries who really accepted the narrative that the

1014
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,340
Americans are not reliable, but Putin is, that

1015
00:36:49,340 --> 00:36:51,680
this has now been going to be undermined

1016
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:52,340
tremendously.

1017
00:36:53,580 --> 00:36:53,920
Hmm.

1018
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:54,620
Oil.

1019
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:55,660
Yeah, only reliable.

1020
00:36:55,900 --> 00:36:57,380
It's going to be the Chinese, the way

1021
00:36:57,380 --> 00:36:57,940
things are going.

1022
00:36:57,940 --> 00:36:58,280
Yeah.

1023
00:37:00,020 --> 00:37:01,860
So the Russians bailed out.

1024
00:37:01,940 --> 00:37:02,680
They just bailed out.

1025
00:37:02,780 --> 00:37:03,540
This is what happened.

1026
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:04,540
And nobody talks about it.

1027
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,760
And there are, you know, the mainstream media

1028
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,020
besides the NPR.

1029
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,000
Is the Russians let it's OK, we're done.

1030
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:12,140
And so they left.

1031
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,080
And it turns out the Iranians, oh, well,

1032
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:14,680
it's they're leaving.

1033
00:37:14,740 --> 00:37:17,940
We're leaving as if this isn't schemed because

1034
00:37:17,940 --> 00:37:20,360
these guys with those fresh uniforms, oh, well,

1035
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:21,240
we can't handle them.

1036
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,660
So the final clip, I think we're coming

1037
00:37:25,660 --> 00:37:25,900
to.

1038
00:37:26,020 --> 00:37:27,620
I want to ask about one other factor

1039
00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:28,100
here.

1040
00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:30,660
And like you said, this might be a

1041
00:37:30,660 --> 00:37:32,340
matter of days in terms of the immediate

1042
00:37:32,340 --> 00:37:34,020
change in enforcements in Syria.

1043
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,700
But looking forward, you have Donald Trump coming

1044
00:37:36,700 --> 00:37:38,540
back into office in the United States when

1045
00:37:38,540 --> 00:37:39,260
he was president.

1046
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,560
Trump made it very clear that he was

1047
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,460
incredibly skeptical of American intervention in Syria.

1048
00:37:46,180 --> 00:37:47,140
What do you see?

1049
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,420
How do you see a second Trump administration

1050
00:37:49,420 --> 00:37:51,100
changing the dynamics in Syria?

1051
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,840
If Assad falls before Trump comes to power,

1052
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:57,620
I think that Trump, when he comes in,

1053
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,860
would be very likely to pull the remaining

1054
00:38:00,860 --> 00:38:06,400
900 US soldiers out of Syria that leave

1055
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:07,620
Syria to the Syrians.

1056
00:38:07,780 --> 00:38:10,020
In other words, if it's not going to

1057
00:38:10,020 --> 00:38:12,820
be under the control of an external great

1058
00:38:12,820 --> 00:38:15,740
power, then that's sort of what America was

1059
00:38:15,740 --> 00:38:16,600
trying to prevent.

1060
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,720
Although we were there to fight ISIS.

1061
00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:20,800
But I think it'll be very hard for

1062
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,220
the US, no matter who was president, to

1063
00:38:23,220 --> 00:38:24,300
maintain its presence.

1064
00:38:24,300 --> 00:38:26,920
And I wouldn't be surprised if Trump in

1065
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,500
particular withdraws it.

1066
00:38:29,020 --> 00:38:31,420
That is Mark Katz, professor emeritus at George

1067
00:38:31,420 --> 00:38:32,260
Mason University.

1068
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:33,980
Thanks so much for taking the time to

1069
00:38:33,980 --> 00:38:34,980
talk us through all of this.

1070
00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:40,260
OK, so, yeah, I see the oil play,

1071
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,480
but there is one other thing that I

1072
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:47,220
would not put past our intelligence services being

1073
00:38:47,220 --> 00:38:50,680
CIA, because we know the military industrial complex

1074
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,560
doesn't want Pete Hegseth.

1075
00:38:52,740 --> 00:38:54,660
And I have some funny, some funny stuff

1076
00:38:54,660 --> 00:38:55,540
on him in a moment.

1077
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,000
And they've really been pushing hard to to

1078
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,100
just discredit this guy.

1079
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,700
And Trump keeps saying, no, no, stay strong.

1080
00:39:01,820 --> 00:39:02,420
You're the guy.

1081
00:39:03,780 --> 00:39:05,540
The intelligence services.

1082
00:39:05,980 --> 00:39:10,380
Well, well, well, well, pimping DeSantis is the

1083
00:39:10,380 --> 00:39:10,680
backup.

1084
00:39:10,980 --> 00:39:11,440
Oh, of course.

1085
00:39:11,620 --> 00:39:13,700
He's the perfect guy to be the backup.

1086
00:39:14,420 --> 00:39:17,000
I take you back seven years in time.

1087
00:39:17,300 --> 00:39:20,180
You met with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

1088
00:39:20,180 --> 00:39:23,000
What is your response to the criticism that

1089
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,920
doing so essentially legitimizes a war criminal?

1090
00:39:27,660 --> 00:39:30,160
My focus has been and continues to be

1091
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,320
on how we can bring about peace to

1092
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,240
the people of Syria, how we can bring

1093
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:38,680
about an end to this counterproductive regime change

1094
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,080
war that the United States, Saudi Arabia, Turkey

1095
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,200
and Qatar and other countries have been waging

1096
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,000
in Syria that has caused this tremendous loss

1097
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,000
of life, destruction and suffering, as well as

1098
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,200
the refugee crisis that's being faced.

1099
00:39:53,980 --> 00:39:57,000
We have to be willing to meet with

1100
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,660
President Assad, who, whether people like it or

1101
00:39:59,660 --> 00:40:01,520
not, remains the president of Syria.

1102
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,080
If we care about bringing about peace for

1103
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,000
the Syrian people.

1104
00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:09,900
What did you and President Assad discuss?

1105
00:40:10,100 --> 00:40:11,680
It was a lengthy discussion.

1106
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,340
We talked about a variety of things, including

1107
00:40:15,340 --> 00:40:21,040
the reconstruction of Syria, how to ensure that

1108
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,240
these refugees who have left Syria because of

1109
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:26,320
the war are able to return home.

1110
00:40:27,020 --> 00:40:30,900
We talked about, again, how to ensure that

1111
00:40:30,900 --> 00:40:34,500
Syria is able to continue as a secular

1112
00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:35,140
country.

1113
00:40:35,860 --> 00:40:37,980
We talked about the effect and impact of

1114
00:40:37,980 --> 00:40:41,420
sanctions and what effect that has had on

1115
00:40:41,420 --> 00:40:43,660
the Syrian society as a whole.

1116
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,400
So this meeting that Tulsi Gabbard had with

1117
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,160
Bashar al-Assad seven, eight years ago has

1118
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:52,660
been hanging over her head.

1119
00:40:52,740 --> 00:40:54,720
They haven't really quite been able to pump

1120
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:55,040
it up.

1121
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,540
But now that this has taken place, well,

1122
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,140
it only took the mustache man Bolton a

1123
00:41:00,140 --> 00:41:01,940
few seconds to pop on to CNN.

1124
00:41:02,260 --> 00:41:04,740
Yeah, I think she's totally unqualified to be

1125
00:41:04,740 --> 00:41:05,660
DNI.

1126
00:41:05,660 --> 00:41:08,140
And I think her positions put her beyond

1127
00:41:08,140 --> 00:41:10,500
the outermost fringe of American politics.

1128
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,300
Why are you laughing, Bolton?

1129
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,000
On the outermost fringe of American politics.

1130
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:20,080
When she visited Assad in Syria, he was

1131
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,640
effectively a Russian Iranian ally.

1132
00:41:23,180 --> 00:41:26,120
And what she said about the Syria not

1133
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,960
being a direct threat to the United States,

1134
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,860
that was her justification for going.

1135
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,180
It's completely false.

1136
00:41:32,180 --> 00:41:35,900
The Syrians and their combination with Iran and

1137
00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:39,660
Hezbollah have posed direct threats to Americans across

1138
00:41:39,660 --> 00:41:40,160
the region.

1139
00:41:40,260 --> 00:41:42,640
They certainly pose a direct threat to key

1140
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,280
American allies, Israel and Jordan.

1141
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,040
And it's going to be very interesting to

1142
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,100
see what the files that may be uncovered

1143
00:41:50,100 --> 00:41:53,140
in the Syrian government, if the rebels succeed

1144
00:41:53,140 --> 00:41:55,940
in capturing Damascus, what they show about a

1145
00:41:55,940 --> 00:41:56,980
number of Americans.

1146
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:58,940
And I think there's a there's a chance

1147
00:41:58,940 --> 00:42:01,000
that might have just been coincidence.

1148
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,540
But I think the intelligence services are very

1149
00:42:03,540 --> 00:42:06,480
happy this is happening so they can have

1150
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,520
the senators discredit Tulsi Gabbard during her confirmation

1151
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:10,280
process.

1152
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:12,660
Good one.

1153
00:42:13,700 --> 00:42:15,580
And I forgot about that interview.

1154
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,660
Yeah, actually, I actually pulled, you know, when

1155
00:42:17,660 --> 00:42:20,360
she was running for president in the Democrat

1156
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,120
debates, I pulled a quick clip here and

1157
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,100
she's talking to, I think, Chris Matthews.

1158
00:42:25,820 --> 00:42:27,900
And she was interesting.

1159
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,020
Just listen to what she said.

1160
00:42:29,020 --> 00:42:32,560
I've served in Congress for seven years on

1161
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,760
the Foreign Affairs Committee, on the Armed Services

1162
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,180
Committee, on the Homeland Security Committees, meeting with

1163
00:42:38,180 --> 00:42:42,760
world leaders, working with military commands, getting high

1164
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,660
level national security briefings focused on ensuring our

1165
00:42:46,660 --> 00:42:49,400
nation's security, the safety and security and the

1166
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,580
freedom of the American people and working towards

1167
00:42:52,580 --> 00:42:53,220
peace.

1168
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,620
That was why I was willing to meet

1169
00:42:55,620 --> 00:42:57,560
with a brutal dictator of Bashar al-Assad

1170
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,720
in Syria in the interest of peace and

1171
00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:00,640
national security.

1172
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,940
And why, as president, I'll be willing to

1173
00:43:02,940 --> 00:43:05,520
meet with any leader from any other country

1174
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,060
if it means that we are able to

1175
00:43:08,060 --> 00:43:10,680
ensure no more of my brothers and sisters

1176
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:15,280
in uniform are needlessly, unnecessarily sent into harm's

1177
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:20,000
way, fighting in these regime change wars that

1178
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,680
have been so costly and so destructive to

1179
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,680
my brothers and sisters in uniform and to

1180
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,380
every single American.

1181
00:43:26,380 --> 00:43:28,360
This is why I'm calling for this sea

1182
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,440
change, a shift in our nation's foreign policy

1183
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,720
away from the Bush-Clinton legacy of interventionism

1184
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:37,880
and more regime change wars and instead toward

1185
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,780
a foreign policy that leads to diplomacy and

1186
00:43:40,780 --> 00:43:41,360
cooperation.

1187
00:43:42,140 --> 00:43:42,240
Obama.

1188
00:43:42,580 --> 00:43:44,000
It's Bush-Clinton-Trump.

1189
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,340
Oh, I hope he doesn't.

1190
00:43:46,340 --> 00:43:48,560
I couldn't understand what was going on there.

1191
00:43:48,620 --> 00:43:50,480
Well, she's saying the regime change.

1192
00:43:50,620 --> 00:43:51,080
No, I understand.

1193
00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:52,900
I heard her, not he's him.

1194
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,540
He said it's Bush-Clinton-Obama.

1195
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,220
And she said, no, it's Bush-Clinton-Trump.

1196
00:43:59,740 --> 00:44:01,400
I thought that was just interesting.

1197
00:44:03,730 --> 00:44:04,630
Oh, that is interesting.

1198
00:44:06,570 --> 00:44:08,050
Yeah, it's a mess.

1199
00:44:08,430 --> 00:44:09,010
It's a mess.

1200
00:44:09,350 --> 00:44:10,730
But I think that, you know, the way

1201
00:44:10,730 --> 00:44:12,770
this came about, because what really if they

1202
00:44:12,770 --> 00:44:13,610
want to get rid of her?

1203
00:44:13,790 --> 00:44:13,890
Yeah.

1204
00:44:13,890 --> 00:44:14,590
Oh, they do not.

1205
00:44:14,850 --> 00:44:16,770
And and it's that they might do a

1206
00:44:16,770 --> 00:44:17,610
quid pro quo.

1207
00:44:17,870 --> 00:44:19,330
You know her for Hegseth.

1208
00:44:20,250 --> 00:44:20,850
Oh, man.

1209
00:44:20,970 --> 00:44:21,370
Hegseth.

1210
00:44:21,550 --> 00:44:22,890
NPR had a great piece.

1211
00:44:22,970 --> 00:44:26,390
You know, the was it New Yorker magazine

1212
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:28,570
did this big hit piece, big hit piece.

1213
00:44:29,250 --> 00:44:30,170
Oh, big hit piece.

1214
00:44:31,090 --> 00:44:35,150
And so NPR got the got the journalist

1215
00:44:35,150 --> 00:44:37,070
who wrote this hit hit piece.

1216
00:44:37,850 --> 00:44:38,790
Let me see.

1217
00:44:38,990 --> 00:44:40,190
I don't have her name.

1218
00:44:40,450 --> 00:44:41,910
Do I have her name?

1219
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:44,470
Jane.

1220
00:44:44,910 --> 00:44:45,350
Hold on.

1221
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:46,050
Jane Meyer.

1222
00:44:46,650 --> 00:44:50,030
So here's NPR's Mary Louise Kelly with New

1223
00:44:50,030 --> 00:44:52,670
York writer Jane about this hit piece she

1224
00:44:52,670 --> 00:44:54,530
wrote on Pete Hegseth.

1225
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:56,410
Well, among the other journalists who have been

1226
00:44:56,410 --> 00:44:59,090
looking into Hegseth's record is Jane Mayer of

1227
00:44:59,090 --> 00:45:00,010
the New Yorker.

1228
00:45:00,090 --> 00:45:00,730
She's with me now.

1229
00:45:00,810 --> 00:45:01,150
Hey, Jane.

1230
00:45:01,470 --> 00:45:02,270
Hi there, Mary Louise.

1231
00:45:02,830 --> 00:45:04,070
Hi there, Mary Louise.

1232
00:45:05,290 --> 00:45:06,170
Mary Louise.

1233
00:45:06,730 --> 00:45:08,130
Hello, Mary Louise.

1234
00:45:08,350 --> 00:45:09,230
Hi there, Mary Louise.

1235
00:45:09,610 --> 00:45:11,350
If I was on the radio and my

1236
00:45:11,350 --> 00:45:13,370
name was Mary Louise, I would change it.

1237
00:45:13,590 --> 00:45:14,470
I would change it.

1238
00:45:14,530 --> 00:45:15,250
Mary Louise.

1239
00:45:15,530 --> 00:45:15,750
Jane.

1240
00:45:16,070 --> 00:45:16,970
Hi there, Mary Louise.

1241
00:45:16,970 --> 00:45:22,210
Your reporting cites documents, cites eyewitnesses to alleged

1242
00:45:22,210 --> 00:45:26,930
sexual impropriety, also financial mismanagement, alcohol abuse.

1243
00:45:27,490 --> 00:45:28,030
Oh, my.

1244
00:45:28,210 --> 00:45:29,150
Start with that last one.

1245
00:45:29,410 --> 00:45:30,090
Oh, my.

1246
00:45:30,330 --> 00:45:32,370
Now it's it used to be money issues.

1247
00:45:32,490 --> 00:45:33,310
Now it's financial.

1248
00:45:33,450 --> 00:45:33,870
What did you say?

1249
00:45:34,110 --> 00:45:34,590
Financial?

1250
00:45:35,290 --> 00:45:35,910
Tell us.

1251
00:45:36,130 --> 00:45:36,770
What was it?

1252
00:45:37,090 --> 00:45:38,430
Back it up and play it again.

1253
00:45:38,490 --> 00:45:38,710
Yeah.

1254
00:45:39,010 --> 00:45:43,830
To alleged sexual impropriety, also financial mismanagement, financial

1255
00:45:43,830 --> 00:45:45,930
mismanagement, alcohol abuse.

1256
00:45:46,970 --> 00:45:48,250
Start with that last one.

1257
00:45:48,670 --> 00:45:49,170
Tell us.

1258
00:45:49,250 --> 00:45:50,870
Yeah, let's start with the most important one.

1259
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:52,710
Wow.

1260
00:45:53,010 --> 00:45:55,230
Yeah, you might be ripping off the whole

1261
00:45:55,230 --> 00:45:57,910
world, but let's talk about your drinking problem.

1262
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:59,110
Oh, and it gets good.

1263
00:45:59,170 --> 00:46:00,170
Start with that last one.

1264
00:46:00,690 --> 00:46:03,450
Tell us what Hegseth's former colleagues told you

1265
00:46:03,450 --> 00:46:07,450
about witnessing alcohol related incidents in professional settings.

1266
00:46:07,650 --> 00:46:08,390
Now, what do you think?

1267
00:46:08,490 --> 00:46:10,450
What kind of professional setting do you think

1268
00:46:10,450 --> 00:46:11,190
this would be?

1269
00:46:11,790 --> 00:46:15,090
So I'm having to assume that that would

1270
00:46:15,090 --> 00:46:16,670
include the Christmas party.

1271
00:46:17,970 --> 00:46:19,550
Professional settings.

1272
00:46:19,650 --> 00:46:22,570
Listen, what I was hearing was a fairly

1273
00:46:22,570 --> 00:46:26,150
alarming catalog of specific instances.

1274
00:46:26,430 --> 00:46:27,830
I love this.

1275
00:46:27,870 --> 00:46:30,410
A fairly alarming catalog.

1276
00:46:30,750 --> 00:46:31,390
A catalog.

1277
00:46:31,770 --> 00:46:32,230
Wow.

1278
00:46:32,450 --> 00:46:35,890
It's like the Sears catalog of alarming incidents.

1279
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:39,470
I was hearing was a fairly alarming catalog

1280
00:46:39,470 --> 00:46:45,430
of specific instances that his former employees at

1281
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:48,770
a veterans organization called Concerned Veterans for America

1282
00:46:48,770 --> 00:46:50,370
saw and reported.

1283
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:53,590
A group of them put a report together

1284
00:46:53,590 --> 00:46:54,610
that they sent to.

1285
00:46:54,690 --> 00:46:55,770
By the way, concerned.

1286
00:46:56,130 --> 00:46:57,710
I haven't looked it up, but it sounds

1287
00:46:57,710 --> 00:46:58,010
like.

1288
00:46:59,270 --> 00:47:02,130
Veterans Concerned Veterans for America sounds like a

1289
00:47:02,130 --> 00:47:04,750
political group that are concerned about the direction

1290
00:47:04,750 --> 00:47:06,810
of the country doesn't sound like it's specifically

1291
00:47:06,810 --> 00:47:09,450
for, you know, helping veterans.

1292
00:47:09,450 --> 00:47:11,890
I'm just guessing I haven't looked it up.

1293
00:47:12,070 --> 00:47:15,390
The veterans organization called Concerned Veterans for America

1294
00:47:15,390 --> 00:47:16,990
saw and reported.

1295
00:47:17,450 --> 00:47:20,210
A group of them put a report together

1296
00:47:20,210 --> 00:47:22,930
that they sent to the managers of this

1297
00:47:22,930 --> 00:47:23,250
group.

1298
00:47:23,450 --> 00:47:25,710
And what it describes is about two years

1299
00:47:25,710 --> 00:47:31,310
worth of moments where Pete Hegseth was repeatedly

1300
00:47:31,310 --> 00:47:35,130
inebriated, often to the point of almost blacking

1301
00:47:35,130 --> 00:47:37,010
out where he had to be carried to

1302
00:47:37,010 --> 00:47:37,570
his room.

1303
00:47:38,050 --> 00:47:40,770
There was one particular description of him at

1304
00:47:40,770 --> 00:47:44,090
one point as needing to be restrained from

1305
00:47:44,090 --> 00:47:45,970
getting on the stage at a strip club.

1306
00:47:45,970 --> 00:47:46,450
Oh, no.

1307
00:47:46,450 --> 00:47:48,150
He tried to get up to dance with

1308
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:48,810
the strippers.

1309
00:47:49,070 --> 00:47:51,510
And a female employee had to pull him

1310
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:51,870
away.

1311
00:47:52,010 --> 00:47:53,230
He was about to be thrown out of

1312
00:47:53,230 --> 00:47:54,510
the club, according to this.

1313
00:47:54,610 --> 00:47:56,650
Oh, no, because that's never happened to any

1314
00:47:56,650 --> 00:47:59,370
guy ever jumped up on the stage, drunk

1315
00:47:59,370 --> 00:48:00,450
to dance with the strippers.

1316
00:48:00,450 --> 00:48:01,650
And he was about to get thrown out

1317
00:48:01,650 --> 00:48:02,090
of the club.

1318
00:48:02,250 --> 00:48:05,290
Oh, my whistleblower didn't get thrown out about

1319
00:48:05,290 --> 00:48:05,510
what?

1320
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:08,830
Because the female clubs don't put up with

1321
00:48:08,830 --> 00:48:09,250
that crap.

1322
00:48:09,390 --> 00:48:10,570
They throw you a female.

1323
00:48:10,650 --> 00:48:12,430
But a female colleague who was also at

1324
00:48:12,430 --> 00:48:14,450
the strip party and the strip bar has

1325
00:48:14,450 --> 00:48:16,390
restrained him to get up to dance with

1326
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:17,090
the strippers.

1327
00:48:17,330 --> 00:48:20,030
And a female employee had to female employees

1328
00:48:20,030 --> 00:48:21,050
pull him away.

1329
00:48:21,150 --> 00:48:24,310
Another stripper, i.e. another stripper, one.

1330
00:48:24,370 --> 00:48:25,730
Hey, get off the stage, Bozo.

1331
00:48:25,970 --> 00:48:28,690
And a female employee had to pull him

1332
00:48:28,690 --> 00:48:29,050
away.

1333
00:48:29,130 --> 00:48:30,430
He was about to be thrown out of

1334
00:48:30,430 --> 00:48:32,190
the club, according to this report.

1335
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:33,370
This whistleblower report.

1336
00:48:33,690 --> 00:48:35,110
It's a whistleblower report.

1337
00:48:35,110 --> 00:48:37,510
And another instance that was also kind of

1338
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:40,350
a standout was one where a different former

1339
00:48:40,350 --> 00:48:44,090
employee sent a letter to the managers saying

1340
00:48:44,090 --> 00:48:47,090
that Pete Hegseth had closed down a bar

1341
00:48:47,090 --> 00:48:48,910
at two thirty in the morning in Cayuga

1342
00:48:48,910 --> 00:48:52,470
Falls, Ohio, where he was chanting with another

1343
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:55,930
person, kill all Muslims, kill all Muslims, man.

1344
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:59,270
This is what we call a hit piece.

1345
00:48:59,510 --> 00:49:01,050
This is what we call a hit piece.

1346
00:49:02,230 --> 00:49:02,550
Kill.

1347
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:03,770
So we're drunk.

1348
00:49:04,530 --> 00:49:04,810
We.

1349
00:49:05,310 --> 00:49:06,230
Oh, man.

1350
00:49:07,130 --> 00:49:09,390
And NPR, Marie Louise.

1351
00:49:09,890 --> 00:49:11,170
I don't know this.

1352
00:49:11,730 --> 00:49:15,310
Well, this Meyer woman is notorious for she's

1353
00:49:15,310 --> 00:49:17,430
obviously a Democrat operative.

1354
00:49:17,530 --> 00:49:19,490
She's one of the people that went after

1355
00:49:19,490 --> 00:49:21,530
Clarence Thomas wrote a book about it.

1356
00:49:21,570 --> 00:49:23,170
Oh, is that who she is?

1357
00:49:23,370 --> 00:49:23,630
OK.

1358
00:49:23,810 --> 00:49:24,830
Yeah, she is.

1359
00:49:25,130 --> 00:49:25,690
Gotcha.

1360
00:49:25,890 --> 00:49:26,210
Gotcha.

1361
00:49:26,370 --> 00:49:27,030
Got a lot.

1362
00:49:27,170 --> 00:49:29,450
She she was it wrote a book about

1363
00:49:29,450 --> 00:49:30,290
dark money.

1364
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:33,070
She's a very smart girl, obviously.

1365
00:49:33,070 --> 00:49:36,470
She graduated another Yalie graduated top of her

1366
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:38,050
class, Phi Beta Kappa.

1367
00:49:39,130 --> 00:49:41,250
And so she's no dummy, but she went

1368
00:49:41,250 --> 00:49:42,330
right into journalism.

1369
00:49:42,510 --> 00:49:43,630
This doesn't make a lot of sense, but

1370
00:49:43,630 --> 00:49:43,930
OK.

1371
00:49:44,010 --> 00:49:44,630
That's what she did.

1372
00:49:44,910 --> 00:49:49,290
And all her stuff is about slamming Republicans.

1373
00:49:49,650 --> 00:49:51,190
OK, pretty much.

1374
00:49:51,230 --> 00:49:52,230
She's doing her job.

1375
00:49:52,410 --> 00:49:53,930
She's doing what she's what she's paid to

1376
00:49:53,930 --> 00:49:54,210
do.

1377
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:58,290
Here's President-elect Trump speaking out on behalf

1378
00:49:58,290 --> 00:49:59,150
of Pete Hegseth.

1379
00:49:59,410 --> 00:50:01,890
Today, President-elect Trump renewing his support of

1380
00:50:01,890 --> 00:50:02,630
Pete Hegseth.

1381
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:04,370
His pick for secretary of defense.

1382
00:50:04,850 --> 00:50:07,570
Trump posting on social media, saying Hegseth support

1383
00:50:07,570 --> 00:50:09,990
is strong and deep, adding he'll be a

1384
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:12,450
fantastic high energy secretary of defense.

1385
00:50:12,850 --> 00:50:14,390
As long as Donald Trump wants me in

1386
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:16,130
this fight, I'm going to be standing right

1387
00:50:16,130 --> 00:50:16,850
here in this fight.

1388
00:50:16,970 --> 00:50:19,610
Today, multiple sources confirmed to ABC News Hegseth

1389
00:50:19,610 --> 00:50:21,850
will be getting an FBI background check.

1390
00:50:22,210 --> 00:50:23,590
Hegseth's attorney on CNN.

1391
00:50:23,830 --> 00:50:26,530
I am expecting that the background check is

1392
00:50:26,530 --> 00:50:27,790
going to take a lot of the false

1393
00:50:27,790 --> 00:50:29,650
stories that have been circulated in the media

1394
00:50:29,650 --> 00:50:31,210
and is going to put them completely to

1395
00:50:31,210 --> 00:50:31,430
bed.

1396
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:35,790
Hegseth faces accusations of financial mismanagement, sexual misconduct

1397
00:50:35,790 --> 00:50:36,870
and excessive drinking.

1398
00:50:37,210 --> 00:50:38,630
Allegations he denies.

1399
00:50:39,050 --> 00:50:41,170
Trump in New York last night touting his

1400
00:50:41,170 --> 00:50:43,410
transition at an award show broadcast by Fox

1401
00:50:43,410 --> 00:50:43,810
Nation.

1402
00:50:44,110 --> 00:50:46,890
I think you have seen more happen in

1403
00:50:46,890 --> 00:50:48,790
the last two weeks than you've seen in

1404
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:50,410
the last four years.

1405
00:50:50,690 --> 00:50:52,190
And we're not even there yet.

1406
00:50:52,370 --> 00:50:54,890
Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy yesterday on Capitol

1407
00:50:54,890 --> 00:50:57,710
Hill answering questions from lawmakers about Trump's newly

1408
00:50:57,710 --> 00:50:59,830
created Department of Government Efficiency.

1409
00:50:59,830 --> 00:51:02,790
Elon and Vivek, they both told me how

1410
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:04,490
much they enjoyed it, how productive it was.

1411
00:51:04,510 --> 00:51:07,030
Musk and Ramaswamy will lead the outside advisory

1412
00:51:07,030 --> 00:51:09,050
group looking to slash government spending.

1413
00:51:09,250 --> 00:51:13,530
Elon and Vivek talked about having a naughty

1414
00:51:13,530 --> 00:51:17,130
list and a nice list for members of

1415
00:51:17,130 --> 00:51:19,970
Congress and senators and how we vote and

1416
00:51:19,970 --> 00:51:22,310
how we're spending the American people's money.

1417
00:51:22,450 --> 00:51:24,490
It's not clear what programs could be cut.

1418
00:51:24,590 --> 00:51:26,270
House Speaker Mike Johnson called the meeting a

1419
00:51:26,270 --> 00:51:27,330
brainstorming session.

1420
00:51:27,330 --> 00:51:29,810
He says Americans will find dollars in hand

1421
00:51:29,810 --> 00:51:32,710
without cutting programs like Medicare and Social Security.

1422
00:51:32,930 --> 00:51:34,670
No, they're coming for your Social Security.

1423
00:51:34,730 --> 00:51:35,850
They're coming for you, so is Trump.

1424
00:51:36,750 --> 00:51:38,450
So I think we need to go to

1425
00:51:38,450 --> 00:51:40,210
some dumb Dems for a moment just to

1426
00:51:40,210 --> 00:51:42,750
get a little temperature of how this is

1427
00:51:42,750 --> 00:51:44,190
playing out with the dumb Dems.

1428
00:51:44,350 --> 00:51:46,250
And when we talk about dumb Dems, well,

1429
00:51:46,810 --> 00:51:48,230
I mean, who else could I bring in,

1430
00:51:48,330 --> 00:51:48,510
John?

1431
00:51:50,530 --> 00:51:51,410
Dumb Dems?

1432
00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:51,790
Yeah.

1433
00:51:52,510 --> 00:51:53,650
Who wouldn't you bring in?

1434
00:51:53,870 --> 00:51:56,490
Well, I'm going to bring in Kara Swisher

1435
00:51:56,490 --> 00:51:58,030
and Professor Scott Galloway.

1436
00:51:58,050 --> 00:51:58,650
Oh, you're buddies.

1437
00:51:58,910 --> 00:51:59,010
Yeah.

1438
00:51:59,110 --> 00:51:59,570
Oh, yeah.

1439
00:51:59,690 --> 00:52:00,070
Oh, yeah.

1440
00:52:00,090 --> 00:52:01,730
Because they've got a lot to say about

1441
00:52:01,730 --> 00:52:02,610
all these appointments.

1442
00:52:03,770 --> 00:52:06,150
Anyway, let's get to our first big story.

1443
00:52:06,430 --> 00:52:07,030
Big story.

1444
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:09,210
Big story.

1445
00:52:10,490 --> 00:52:12,070
President-Elect Donald Trump What?

1446
00:52:12,550 --> 00:52:13,130
What's that?

1447
00:52:13,250 --> 00:52:13,910
They have a band?

1448
00:52:14,370 --> 00:52:14,730
Oh, yeah.

1449
00:52:14,750 --> 00:52:17,670
They've got these hits like these these audio

1450
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:18,090
hits.

1451
00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:19,830
Let's go to our first story.

1452
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:20,930
Bum, bum, bum, bum.

1453
00:52:20,990 --> 00:52:23,250
Because we're not a tech news, we're news.

1454
00:52:23,490 --> 00:52:24,450
It's a podcast, isn't it?

1455
00:52:25,410 --> 00:52:26,210
Unlike us.

1456
00:52:26,210 --> 00:52:26,690
Podcasts with hits?

1457
00:52:26,850 --> 00:52:27,090
OK.

1458
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:27,490
Yeah.

1459
00:52:27,570 --> 00:52:28,190
Unlike us.

1460
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:30,510
Now for real news.

1461
00:52:34,370 --> 00:52:36,750
President-Elect Donald Trump's pick to lead the

1462
00:52:36,750 --> 00:52:40,210
FBI is former national security official Kash Patel.

1463
00:52:41,290 --> 00:52:43,370
That's a what a strange man he is.

1464
00:52:43,450 --> 00:52:45,130
Patel is a Trump loyalist who's vowed to

1465
00:52:45,130 --> 00:52:45,230
come.

1466
00:52:45,230 --> 00:52:46,890
Oh, now she's making fun of an Indian

1467
00:52:46,890 --> 00:52:47,370
name.

1468
00:52:48,330 --> 00:52:48,910
What a strange.

1469
00:52:49,530 --> 00:52:51,490
What is kind of a racist comment was

1470
00:52:51,490 --> 00:52:51,890
that?

1471
00:52:52,590 --> 00:52:53,250
Oh, no.

1472
00:52:53,330 --> 00:52:56,770
He's got the funny name and he's a

1473
00:52:56,770 --> 00:52:57,430
loyalist.

1474
00:52:57,510 --> 00:52:58,610
He's a loyalist.

1475
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:59,570
They're all loyal.

1476
00:52:59,730 --> 00:53:00,370
That's what you do.

1477
00:53:00,490 --> 00:53:01,450
You what are you going to do?

1478
00:53:01,730 --> 00:53:03,210
Who are you supposed to hire if you

1479
00:53:03,210 --> 00:53:04,410
don't hire a loyalist?

1480
00:53:04,550 --> 00:53:06,670
Well, I'm just asking the question rhetorically.

1481
00:53:07,010 --> 00:53:08,390
Who would you hire that?

1482
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:09,530
What do you don't want?

1483
00:53:09,590 --> 00:53:09,930
Yeah, I would.

1484
00:53:10,170 --> 00:53:11,510
That guy hates my guts.

1485
00:53:11,670 --> 00:53:12,990
He's got the job.

1486
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:14,730
Well, how does that work?

1487
00:53:14,830 --> 00:53:18,070
Well, the reason the term loyalist is chosen

1488
00:53:18,070 --> 00:53:19,510
and you'll hear it in the in the

1489
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:20,050
coming few.

1490
00:53:20,110 --> 00:53:21,470
No, they say it over and over.

1491
00:53:21,470 --> 00:53:22,150
I've heard it.

1492
00:53:22,270 --> 00:53:23,390
No, but I'm telling you why.

1493
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:26,070
The reason why is because that's the same.

1494
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:27,730
You'll hear it over and over again in

1495
00:53:27,730 --> 00:53:28,830
a different context.

1496
00:53:29,110 --> 00:53:30,390
I was going to finish my sentence.

1497
00:53:30,750 --> 00:53:32,850
You will hear it in the context of

1498
00:53:32,850 --> 00:53:35,610
Bashir al-Assad's loyalists.

1499
00:53:36,090 --> 00:53:37,930
So they're doing associative.

1500
00:53:38,450 --> 00:53:38,730
Yes.

1501
00:53:38,890 --> 00:53:41,470
So loyalist is a bad person.

1502
00:53:41,630 --> 00:53:43,630
Well, a loyalist is someone who is loyal

1503
00:53:43,630 --> 00:53:44,550
to a dictator.

1504
00:53:45,550 --> 00:53:46,630
That's the association.

1505
00:53:46,910 --> 00:53:50,910
Loyalist Putin, loyalist Assad, loyalist, loyalist.

1506
00:53:50,910 --> 00:53:53,350
That's what a strange man he is.

1507
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:55,210
Patel is a Trump loyalist who's vowed to

1508
00:53:55,210 --> 00:53:57,910
come after Trump's enemies, including people in the

1509
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:58,190
media.

1510
00:53:58,730 --> 00:54:00,550
A number of high level Senate Republicans have

1511
00:54:00,550 --> 00:54:02,510
already indicated their willingness to get behind the

1512
00:54:02,510 --> 00:54:04,150
choice, but others not so much.

1513
00:54:04,250 --> 00:54:05,830
It's a real it's a real mixed bag

1514
00:54:05,830 --> 00:54:06,550
on this guy.

1515
00:54:06,890 --> 00:54:08,630
By the way, he has to fire Chris

1516
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:10,990
Ray, who was appointed by Trump on it

1517
00:54:10,990 --> 00:54:12,710
to a 10 year term, so Chris Ray

1518
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:16,070
shouldn't be in office until 2027.

1519
00:54:16,730 --> 00:54:18,110
It's alarming a lot of people.

1520
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,610
At the same time, the Pete Heggs nomination

1521
00:54:21,610 --> 00:54:23,390
is still raising big questions.

1522
00:54:23,590 --> 00:54:26,210
This New Yorker piece is a damning whistleblower

1523
00:54:26,210 --> 00:54:28,650
report on his previous behavior at running two

1524
00:54:28,650 --> 00:54:29,210
organizations.

1525
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:31,390
They keep calling it a whistleblower report.

1526
00:54:31,630 --> 00:54:33,270
This is not against the government.

1527
00:54:34,430 --> 00:54:34,930
Whistleblowers.

1528
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:35,930
Did she say that?

1529
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:36,210
Yeah.

1530
00:54:36,430 --> 00:54:37,590
And that was in the.

1531
00:54:37,770 --> 00:54:39,130
How's it whistleblowing?

1532
00:54:39,210 --> 00:54:40,830
Well, the NPR lady said it, too, was

1533
00:54:40,830 --> 00:54:42,170
always this is a whistleblower.

1534
00:54:42,250 --> 00:54:43,890
We had whistleblowers talking here.

1535
00:54:44,410 --> 00:54:47,050
So Kara basically read read the article.

1536
00:54:47,050 --> 00:54:48,270
Oh, it's a whistleblower.

1537
00:54:48,350 --> 00:54:50,830
I don't think it qualifies as a whistleblower.

1538
00:54:51,550 --> 00:54:53,350
No, it's just a standard.

1539
00:54:54,410 --> 00:54:55,510
The smear.

1540
00:54:55,610 --> 00:54:57,850
Yeah, that's a whistleblower.

1541
00:54:58,170 --> 00:55:00,410
Is a damning whistleblower report on his previous

1542
00:55:00,410 --> 00:55:03,610
behavior running two organizations where he drank too

1543
00:55:03,610 --> 00:55:03,930
much.

1544
00:55:04,070 --> 00:55:06,510
She abused women, sexual harassment.

1545
00:55:06,930 --> 00:55:08,830
So I think the abused women and sexual

1546
00:55:08,830 --> 00:55:10,390
harassment is the stripper story.

1547
00:55:10,490 --> 00:55:13,030
I think that's the folder falling on the

1548
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:14,190
stage holding that in.

1549
00:55:14,350 --> 00:55:16,790
Bunch of lying, misspending, mismanagement.

1550
00:55:16,790 --> 00:55:19,650
This story has got it all by Jane

1551
00:55:19,650 --> 00:55:19,910
Mayer.

1552
00:55:20,750 --> 00:55:23,410
And it's it's based on well, it's it's

1553
00:55:23,410 --> 00:55:28,630
a it's a devastating, devastating, devastating, very well

1554
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:30,330
reported piece about very bad.

1555
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:31,330
No, it's not.

1556
00:55:31,450 --> 00:55:34,030
There's no there's no well reported if you

1557
00:55:34,030 --> 00:55:35,770
have all anonymous sources.

1558
00:55:36,050 --> 00:55:37,690
Very, very well reported.

1559
00:55:38,070 --> 00:55:40,990
Hey, Kara is a journalist and an author.

1560
00:55:41,250 --> 00:55:42,550
She knows what she's talking about.

1561
00:55:42,790 --> 00:55:45,410
Very well reported piece about how bad a

1562
00:55:45,410 --> 00:55:46,590
manager he was.

1563
00:55:46,590 --> 00:55:47,830
It may have been a bad period of

1564
00:55:47,830 --> 00:55:48,210
his life.

1565
00:55:48,310 --> 00:55:49,250
But boy, was it bad.

1566
00:55:49,930 --> 00:55:51,310
The New York Times also has a twenty

1567
00:55:51,310 --> 00:55:53,830
eighteen email from Hegseth's mother calling her son

1568
00:55:53,830 --> 00:55:54,710
an abuser of women.

1569
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:56,650
That email was something else.

1570
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:59,010
She told The Times she'd written the messages

1571
00:55:59,010 --> 00:56:01,370
in anger and had apologized for it.

1572
00:56:01,430 --> 00:56:02,810
But boy, did it have a ring of

1573
00:56:02,810 --> 00:56:03,770
truth at the time.

1574
00:56:03,890 --> 00:56:05,070
I guess it was during the same time

1575
00:56:05,070 --> 00:56:05,410
period.

1576
00:56:05,730 --> 00:56:06,790
Had a ring of truth.

1577
00:56:06,930 --> 00:56:09,130
Now, just like just like the guy who

1578
00:56:09,130 --> 00:56:11,630
was laughing about all hours, it's hours from

1579
00:56:11,630 --> 00:56:11,910
now.

1580
00:56:12,350 --> 00:56:14,990
Kara Swisher seems to know about new reporting

1581
00:56:14,990 --> 00:56:16,070
before it comes out.

1582
00:56:16,070 --> 00:56:17,930
Anyway, we'll see what happens here.

1583
00:56:18,050 --> 00:56:18,630
But it's disturbing.

1584
00:56:18,770 --> 00:56:20,890
I would recommend reading the mother's letter is

1585
00:56:20,890 --> 00:56:23,310
disturbing is along with the story from the

1586
00:56:23,310 --> 00:56:24,750
New Yorker for Hegseth.

1587
00:56:24,850 --> 00:56:25,350
That's for sure.

1588
00:56:25,390 --> 00:56:26,930
And I'm looking forward to the Kash Patel

1589
00:56:26,930 --> 00:56:28,730
story, which is going to be just worse,

1590
00:56:28,770 --> 00:56:29,810
I think, in a different way.

1591
00:56:29,850 --> 00:56:31,050
And it tells the Gabbard stories.

1592
00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:33,150
Anyway, journalists are doing a great job with

1593
00:56:33,150 --> 00:56:33,570
these things.

1594
00:56:33,570 --> 00:56:34,710
And I thought it was a very fair

1595
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:35,070
story.

1596
00:56:35,170 --> 00:56:36,930
And Pete Hegseth, it really was.

1597
00:56:37,290 --> 00:56:38,330
So, you know, whatever.

1598
00:56:38,910 --> 00:56:40,870
Her voice is going to fall over here

1599
00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:42,590
if it's any more bright.

1600
00:56:42,790 --> 00:56:44,610
Yeah, journalists are doing a great job here.

1601
00:56:44,670 --> 00:56:45,530
They're doing a great job.

1602
00:56:45,530 --> 00:56:47,350
Wait until you see the Tulsi story.

1603
00:56:47,550 --> 00:56:51,290
Wait until you see the the cash Patel

1604
00:56:51,290 --> 00:56:52,070
story.

1605
00:56:52,610 --> 00:56:53,310
So it's going to be worse.

1606
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:54,710
It's much worse.

1607
00:56:54,810 --> 00:56:55,450
Cash Patel.

1608
00:56:55,730 --> 00:56:56,910
They were two strippers.

1609
00:56:57,150 --> 00:56:59,530
I'm telling you that cash Patel goat yogurt,

1610
00:56:59,990 --> 00:57:01,390
goat yogurt.

1611
00:57:02,270 --> 00:57:03,930
Where does that come from?

1612
00:57:04,350 --> 00:57:06,130
It's just fermented goat yogurt.

1613
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:07,250
The guy can't hold it.

1614
00:57:10,390 --> 00:57:13,710
Obama is also out on the on the

1615
00:57:13,710 --> 00:57:13,990
trail.

1616
00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:16,910
He was speaking at a democracy forum.

1617
00:57:17,310 --> 00:57:19,450
Yeah, I'm glad you got this clip.

1618
00:57:19,690 --> 00:57:21,690
Yeah, it's this is that this clip was

1619
00:57:21,690 --> 00:57:22,390
played.

1620
00:57:23,370 --> 00:57:26,570
I think it's just Obama's flailing personally.

1621
00:57:26,570 --> 00:57:27,010
Oh, yeah.

1622
00:57:27,170 --> 00:57:27,610
Yeah.

1623
00:57:27,770 --> 00:57:29,190
They've made a lot out of this as

1624
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:31,270
though some scheme is afoot.

1625
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:32,570
Well, that's the whole point.

1626
00:57:32,670 --> 00:57:34,630
That's and first of all, he looks very

1627
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:35,110
thin.

1628
00:57:35,870 --> 00:57:38,890
Doesn't look very just doesn't look healthy.

1629
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:39,510
I don't know.

1630
00:57:39,650 --> 00:57:41,370
He's probably I agree with that.

1631
00:57:41,410 --> 00:57:43,270
I think and I think he doesn't look

1632
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:43,670
healthy.

1633
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:45,370
I think he looks unhealthy.

1634
00:57:45,970 --> 00:57:48,370
So it takes him 45 seconds to say

1635
00:57:48,370 --> 00:57:50,170
15 seconds worth of content.

1636
00:57:50,310 --> 00:57:50,990
But here we go.

1637
00:57:51,150 --> 00:57:54,230
There are going to be times potentially when

1638
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:56,150
one side tries to stack the deck and

1639
00:57:56,150 --> 00:58:03,680
lock in a a permanent.

1640
00:58:05,260 --> 00:58:06,360
Grip on power.

1641
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,540
What he's saying, there's no more elections either

1642
00:58:09,540 --> 00:58:13,440
by actively suppressing votes or politicizing the armed

1643
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:17,620
forces or using the judiciary, the criminal justice

1644
00:58:17,620 --> 00:58:18,960
system, go after opponents.

1645
00:58:20,820 --> 00:58:23,120
And in those circumstances, this guy see the

1646
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,400
irony in that comment, you mean what you

1647
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:26,280
say by yourself?

1648
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:27,400
Make your cop do the health.

1649
00:58:28,140 --> 00:58:28,980
Yes, exactly.

1650
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:33,220
And in those circumstances, pluralism does not call

1651
00:58:33,220 --> 00:58:34,820
for us to just stand back and say,

1652
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:36,380
well, I'm not sure.

1653
00:58:37,780 --> 00:58:38,220
That's OK.

1654
00:58:38,220 --> 00:58:38,380
Very.

1655
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:41,320
In those circumstances.

1656
00:58:44,140 --> 00:58:46,360
A line has been crossed and we have

1657
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:47,040
to stand for.

1658
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:49,200
It's not who we are.

1659
00:58:51,940 --> 00:58:55,140
Just back to to Swisher and Galloway, just

1660
00:58:55,140 --> 00:58:56,880
have two short clips here because they're just

1661
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,260
such morons, it's funny.

1662
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,920
So who really should we be selecting for

1663
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:06,100
these for these important, these important cabinet positions?

1664
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:07,240
What would we be?

1665
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:08,580
What would be our job if you had

1666
00:59:08,580 --> 00:59:08,980
to pick one?

1667
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,180
We do exactly what we're doing right now

1668
00:59:11,180 --> 00:59:12,720
because our lives are really nice.

1669
00:59:12,780 --> 00:59:13,000
I understand.

1670
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:14,000
But if you had to take a cab,

1671
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,280
they said, here, Scott, you have to take

1672
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:16,920
one cab job.

1673
00:59:16,980 --> 00:59:17,820
You don't have a choice.

1674
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:18,240
Oh, easy.

1675
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:19,780
I'd want to be secretary of education.

1676
00:59:19,860 --> 00:59:20,440
Oh, wow.

1677
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:21,000
Interesting.

1678
00:59:21,340 --> 00:59:22,900
What would you guess I would want to

1679
00:59:22,900 --> 00:59:23,240
be?

1680
00:59:23,740 --> 00:59:24,440
Head of the CIA.

1681
00:59:25,340 --> 00:59:25,920
That's right.

1682
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:27,160
That's right, my friend.

1683
00:59:27,500 --> 00:59:28,140
That's correct.

1684
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:29,140
I'd spy on you.

1685
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:30,140
You do spy on me.

1686
00:59:30,220 --> 00:59:31,540
You fucking text me at three in the

1687
00:59:31,540 --> 00:59:32,080
morning.

1688
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:34,540
You know, I she wants to be a

1689
00:59:34,540 --> 00:59:35,620
spy so bad.

1690
00:59:35,620 --> 00:59:37,980
You identified this like a couple of years

1691
00:59:37,980 --> 00:59:38,160
back.

1692
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:38,900
Some time ago.

1693
00:59:39,140 --> 00:59:39,240
Yeah.

1694
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:39,560
Yeah.

1695
00:59:40,180 --> 00:59:41,040
Maybe in her bio.

1696
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,200
But I'm I'm sure she talks to people

1697
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:43,560
all the time.

1698
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:44,840
You know, maybe this is part of their

1699
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:45,200
job.

1700
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:45,540
It's not.

1701
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:47,640
They have a pretty big reach amongst the

1702
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:48,560
Democratic elite.

1703
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,860
They all love the oh, we love pivot.

1704
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:52,320
We love.

1705
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:53,440
This is why I listen to it.

1706
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:56,440
And that was a little back and forth

1707
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,580
there that was kind of kind of disturbing.

1708
00:59:59,100 --> 01:00:00,840
Oh, they do this all the time.

1709
01:00:00,980 --> 01:00:04,500
They are they are they are massive elites.

1710
01:00:04,500 --> 01:00:06,300
And they just talk elitist.

1711
01:00:07,540 --> 01:00:08,640
It's it's it's fun.

1712
01:00:08,780 --> 01:00:10,720
And so who would clean up the food

1713
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,540
instead of, you know, we can't have RK

1714
01:00:12,540 --> 01:00:16,060
Jr. Who would Kara Swisher want to really

1715
01:00:16,060 --> 01:00:17,960
get rid of chemicals in our food?

1716
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:19,360
Who could it be?

1717
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,140
Who would be the right guy for that?

1718
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:24,800
No guesses.

1719
01:00:26,620 --> 01:00:27,640
No, it's important.

1720
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,720
But I one of the ones as we're

1721
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,600
just talking about this UnitedHealthcare thing is the

1722
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,160
health and human services director.

1723
01:00:33,380 --> 01:00:35,560
I would make that Mark Cuban, you know,

1724
01:00:35,580 --> 01:00:36,660
or someone like that.

1725
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:40,460
You need to facilitate change in how health

1726
01:00:40,460 --> 01:00:41,420
care goes in this country.

1727
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,140
I'm going to never guess that in a

1728
01:00:43,140 --> 01:00:45,300
million years that anyone would be so lame

1729
01:00:45,300 --> 01:00:48,180
to suggest Mark Cuban as HHS.

1730
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,520
I know it's a basketball team.

1731
01:00:51,580 --> 01:00:53,340
He sold broadcast dot com.

1732
01:00:53,500 --> 01:00:54,260
Give me a break.

1733
01:00:55,340 --> 01:00:56,480
We know how that went down.

1734
01:00:57,060 --> 01:00:58,200
Now, there are two.

1735
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,060
There's another this is this is a kind

1736
01:01:01,060 --> 01:01:02,560
of something odd that I picked up.

1737
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:09,040
Trump has appointed Lutnick, is it Howard?

1738
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,360
Howard Lutnick from Cantor Fitzgerald to be the

1739
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:12,540
commerce secretary.

1740
01:01:13,420 --> 01:01:13,520
Yeah.

1741
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:16,980
Now, interesting by himself.

1742
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:18,200
So Musk's Musk.

1743
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:20,540
Is that a Musk play?

1744
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:22,540
Well, Musk wanted him to be treasury.

1745
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:23,900
Right.

1746
01:01:24,140 --> 01:01:27,180
Well, so first of all, the 200 million

1747
01:01:27,180 --> 01:01:30,720
dollars, 200, 200000 Bitcoin that we have is

1748
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:32,140
going to go is from what I understand

1749
01:01:32,140 --> 01:01:34,820
is going to go into Cantor Fitzgerald for

1750
01:01:34,820 --> 01:01:35,680
safekeeping.

1751
01:01:36,700 --> 01:01:38,640
And they're and they're the guys who are

1752
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,540
now pumping up tether stable coin that just

1753
01:01:41,540 --> 01:01:44,200
bought another five billion dollars worth of treasuries.

1754
01:01:44,580 --> 01:01:49,300
So he's he's very, very intertwined with all

1755
01:01:49,300 --> 01:01:49,780
of that.

1756
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:51,860
But there's something else that he is doing.

1757
01:01:52,140 --> 01:01:54,540
And he is and I have the other

1758
01:01:54,540 --> 01:01:56,100
investor as a second clip.

1759
01:01:56,300 --> 01:01:58,480
He is investing in Sata Logic.

1760
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:01,960
And I had not heard of Sata Logic,

1761
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,400
but it makes sense that that he's friends

1762
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:05,080
with Musk.

1763
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:06,660
Let me start with you, Howard, because you

1764
01:02:06,660 --> 01:02:08,040
were there first in a sense, as far

1765
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:08,480
as I know.

1766
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,140
Tell us about this company, Sata Logic, and

1767
01:02:11,140 --> 01:02:12,000
your deal with it.

1768
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:13,160
Why it's a good investment.

1769
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,080
Well, we felt we felt that space and

1770
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,820
the satellites in particular is really the next

1771
01:02:19,820 --> 01:02:22,220
coming gigantic market for data.

1772
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,280
I mean, to have images of the whole

1773
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,560
Earth, data on the whole Earth, the amount

1774
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:28,980
of decisions that that will unlock and the

1775
01:02:28,980 --> 01:02:31,380
ability and the economics of how that will

1776
01:02:31,380 --> 01:02:32,580
unlock was extraordinary.

1777
01:02:32,860 --> 01:02:34,980
So we found the company Sata Logic.

1778
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:36,380
It has the best technology.

1779
01:02:37,100 --> 01:02:40,560
It builds, it redesigned every inch of the

1780
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:40,920
satellite.

1781
01:02:41,380 --> 01:02:43,660
It takes 10 times the images of everybody

1782
01:02:43,660 --> 01:02:43,860
else.

1783
01:02:43,940 --> 01:02:46,020
I mean, you look at these images, 70

1784
01:02:46,020 --> 01:02:46,880
centimeters.

1785
01:02:47,620 --> 01:02:50,260
So you can count the containers on the

1786
01:02:50,260 --> 01:02:53,860
ships, count the cars, count the trees, count

1787
01:02:53,860 --> 01:02:56,020
the number of what's working and what's not

1788
01:02:56,020 --> 01:02:57,320
working in a solar farm.

1789
01:02:57,460 --> 01:03:00,640
I mean, this is this is incredible technology.

1790
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,340
And I think it just unlocks a vast,

1791
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:07,780
vast sea of opportunity in marketplaces.

1792
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:09,400
And so this is the best technology.

1793
01:03:09,820 --> 01:03:11,140
And that's why they redid the transaction.

1794
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:13,300
Yeah, I don't like that so much.

1795
01:03:14,220 --> 01:03:15,640
Yeah, we can see everything.

1796
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:16,940
How many cars are on the lot?

1797
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,400
We can look down to 70 centimeters.

1798
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,060
We can see the pubes on you.

1799
01:03:20,900 --> 01:03:24,920
This is way, way too excited about that.

1800
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,580
And who is the other investor who was

1801
01:03:27,580 --> 01:03:28,540
in the same interview?

1802
01:03:29,220 --> 01:03:32,140
Oh, it's our old buddy Steve Mnuchin.

1803
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:33,900
So, Mr. Secretary, from your point of view,

1804
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,020
we've talked before about your new fund, the

1805
01:03:36,020 --> 01:03:36,820
things you want to do with it.

1806
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:38,880
Explain why this was such an important investment

1807
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:39,900
for you and your fund.

1808
01:03:40,220 --> 01:03:41,740
Well, David, it's great to be with you.

1809
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,580
And we're very focused on investments where not

1810
01:03:44,580 --> 01:03:46,460
only can we bring capital, but we can

1811
01:03:46,460 --> 01:03:47,400
bring our expertise.

1812
01:03:47,740 --> 01:03:51,220
And we're particularly focused on the technology area,

1813
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,820
national security and in other forms where we

1814
01:03:54,820 --> 01:03:55,660
can add a lot of value.

1815
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:57,980
So what we liked about this is great

1816
01:03:57,980 --> 01:03:58,600
technology.

1817
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:00,460
We can add a lot of value here.

1818
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:01,980
We're adding value.

1819
01:04:02,300 --> 01:04:03,020
Yeah, that's a value.

1820
01:04:03,260 --> 01:04:05,880
So what we liked about this is great

1821
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,660
technology, very scalable, very affordable.

1822
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,360
And the combination of having a lot of

1823
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,240
data with a lot of A.I. really

1824
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:18,220
will enable both very big government markets and

1825
01:04:18,220 --> 01:04:20,740
more importantly, very big commercial markets.

1826
01:04:20,740 --> 01:04:22,780
We're a long term investor.

1827
01:04:23,180 --> 01:04:26,460
Our horizon is generally five years or longer.

1828
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,060
So we're really not focused on where the

1829
01:04:29,060 --> 01:04:30,320
markets are in the short term.

1830
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,520
But, you know, the opportunity here is with

1831
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:34,940
vast amounts of data.

1832
01:04:35,380 --> 01:04:39,080
We can really analyze climate issues, energy supply,

1833
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,340
food security, supply chains.

1834
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:43,540
So we really believe that this is going

1835
01:04:43,540 --> 01:04:46,140
to create all new types of markets with

1836
01:04:46,140 --> 01:04:48,200
scalable, affordable imagery.

1837
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,780
Yeah, scalable, affordable imagery.

1838
01:04:50,900 --> 01:04:51,440
How about the border?

1839
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:53,320
Maybe they should be doing border security.

1840
01:04:53,500 --> 01:04:54,160
There you go.

1841
01:04:54,340 --> 01:04:55,140
Well, yeah, we'll be check.

1842
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:56,800
We'll be watching the border for your president.

1843
01:04:57,540 --> 01:04:58,980
I don't like these guys.

1844
01:05:01,250 --> 01:05:02,030
You don't like who?

1845
01:05:02,270 --> 01:05:03,730
I don't like either of them.

1846
01:05:03,930 --> 01:05:05,950
Well, oh, I like him, but I don't

1847
01:05:05,950 --> 01:05:08,330
want this commerce guy this being in our

1848
01:05:08,330 --> 01:05:09,070
commerce guy.

1849
01:05:09,510 --> 01:05:11,750
If he's all he's got commerce on his

1850
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:12,650
mind.

1851
01:05:12,850 --> 01:05:15,770
Well, that's what he did, you know, seems

1852
01:05:15,770 --> 01:05:16,510
like a conflict.

1853
01:05:16,770 --> 01:05:17,890
For some reason, Musk likes him.

1854
01:05:17,890 --> 01:05:20,130
Maybe it's the satellites, the satellites.

1855
01:05:20,290 --> 01:05:20,690
Of course.

1856
01:05:20,690 --> 01:05:22,850
Have you seen how many satellites are blanketing

1857
01:05:22,850 --> 01:05:24,590
our globe that Musk has?

1858
01:05:25,030 --> 01:05:27,930
It's cool, especially with these these little moving

1859
01:05:27,930 --> 01:05:31,690
ones that you're using for your for your

1860
01:05:31,690 --> 01:05:32,310
Internet.

1861
01:05:32,490 --> 01:05:32,850
Yes.

1862
01:05:33,570 --> 01:05:34,830
For your protection.

1863
01:05:35,730 --> 01:05:36,130
Yeah.

1864
01:05:37,410 --> 01:05:38,290
I don't know.

1865
01:05:38,330 --> 01:05:39,670
Keep your eye on these guys.

1866
01:05:40,990 --> 01:05:43,870
I did pull two clips from the Tucker

1867
01:05:43,870 --> 01:05:46,810
Lavrov interview, which just I was excited.

1868
01:05:46,810 --> 01:05:49,530
I'm like, wow, he's talking all kinds of

1869
01:05:49,530 --> 01:05:50,350
interesting stuff.

1870
01:05:50,410 --> 01:05:52,390
And then it just felt completely like a

1871
01:05:52,390 --> 01:05:52,710
dud.

1872
01:05:53,190 --> 01:05:55,090
It was at four hundred thousand views on

1873
01:05:55,090 --> 01:05:55,390
YouTube.

1874
01:05:55,510 --> 01:05:57,890
And I'm sure it's all jacked and and

1875
01:05:57,890 --> 01:06:00,310
and, you know, rigged or whatever.

1876
01:06:00,470 --> 01:06:01,310
I'm sure it is.

1877
01:06:01,410 --> 01:06:03,230
No, no, it's it's like five hundred thousand

1878
01:06:03,230 --> 01:06:03,890
this morning.

1879
01:06:03,970 --> 01:06:05,670
Oh, so that's not a lot.

1880
01:06:05,770 --> 01:06:08,510
No, it fell flat or at least the

1881
01:06:08,510 --> 01:06:08,830
numbers.

1882
01:06:09,150 --> 01:06:10,690
Well, maybe it was Lavrov's not the most

1883
01:06:10,690 --> 01:06:12,650
exciting guy to chat with.

1884
01:06:12,650 --> 01:06:16,250
Well, he he he had two specific things

1885
01:06:16,250 --> 01:06:18,950
that I that I wanted to play, because

1886
01:06:18,950 --> 01:06:21,010
it's always fun when you get, you know,

1887
01:06:21,170 --> 01:06:23,770
Putin's, I would say, right hand man is

1888
01:06:23,770 --> 01:06:26,530
probably fair to call to call you out.

1889
01:06:26,730 --> 01:06:29,790
You know, like, well, what are we really

1890
01:06:29,790 --> 01:06:30,690
fighting over?

1891
01:06:30,990 --> 01:06:32,230
What is this really about?

1892
01:06:32,330 --> 01:06:33,070
Tucker asked.

1893
01:06:33,290 --> 01:06:36,950
We fight for our legitimate security interests.

1894
01:06:37,790 --> 01:06:43,750
They say, for example, 1991 borders Lindsey Graham,

1895
01:06:43,930 --> 01:06:46,290
who visited some time ago, is a nasty

1896
01:06:46,290 --> 01:06:48,590
for another another talk.

1897
01:06:48,690 --> 01:06:50,730
I love that he's calling out the Lindy

1898
01:06:50,730 --> 01:06:50,990
hop.

1899
01:06:51,130 --> 01:06:54,750
He bluntly in presence of Zelensky, I think,

1900
01:06:54,910 --> 01:06:57,990
said that Ukraine is very rich with rare

1901
01:06:57,990 --> 01:06:58,930
earth metals.

1902
01:06:59,750 --> 01:07:04,090
And we cannot leave this this this rich

1903
01:07:05,290 --> 01:07:07,410
this richness to the Russians.

1904
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:08,550
We must take it.

1905
01:07:09,550 --> 01:07:11,990
We fight, so they fight for.

1906
01:07:12,790 --> 01:07:14,710
Oh, wait, exactly what he did.

1907
01:07:15,210 --> 01:07:16,830
But Lavrov gets better.

1908
01:07:16,950 --> 01:07:18,350
He's like, oh, he's taking the high road.

1909
01:07:18,910 --> 01:07:19,970
We fight.

1910
01:07:20,230 --> 01:07:24,310
So they fight for the regime, which is

1911
01:07:24,310 --> 01:07:26,930
ready to sell or to give to the

1912
01:07:26,930 --> 01:07:30,670
West all the natural and human resources.

1913
01:07:31,630 --> 01:07:33,490
We fight for the people.

1914
01:07:33,750 --> 01:07:34,070
Uh huh.

1915
01:07:34,290 --> 01:07:34,430
Yeah.

1916
01:07:34,990 --> 01:07:35,730
Oh, brother.

1917
01:07:36,570 --> 01:07:37,950
There you go.

1918
01:07:38,030 --> 01:07:39,130
No, I fight for the boy.

1919
01:07:39,210 --> 01:07:40,490
He's going to take it one step further.

1920
01:07:40,770 --> 01:07:43,730
Who have been living on this lands, whose

1921
01:07:43,730 --> 01:07:48,890
ancestors were actually developing those lands, building cities,

1922
01:07:49,130 --> 01:07:52,630
building factories for centuries and centuries.

1923
01:07:52,950 --> 01:07:57,010
We care about people, not about natural resources,

1924
01:07:57,950 --> 01:08:00,790
which somebody in the United States would like,

1925
01:08:00,930 --> 01:08:05,030
would like to keep and to have Ukrainians

1926
01:08:05,030 --> 01:08:10,730
just as their servants on seeking these natural

1927
01:08:10,730 --> 01:08:11,290
resources.

1928
01:08:11,430 --> 01:08:14,010
Whores will make them slaves, slaves and whores.

1929
01:08:14,210 --> 01:08:15,750
That's all you want, Lindsey Graham.

1930
01:08:15,930 --> 01:08:18,910
So the message which we wanted to sell

1931
01:08:18,910 --> 01:08:19,830
by.

1932
01:08:20,170 --> 01:08:22,450
I like you, but instead of saying the

1933
01:08:22,450 --> 01:08:25,649
message we wanted to to send, he says

1934
01:08:25,649 --> 01:08:28,010
the message we wanted to sell, which I

1935
01:08:28,010 --> 01:08:30,170
think is some form of a of a

1936
01:08:30,170 --> 01:08:32,350
flub, you know, like truth wanted to come

1937
01:08:32,350 --> 01:08:35,010
out because the test missile was what he's

1938
01:08:35,010 --> 01:08:35,590
referring to.

1939
01:08:35,950 --> 01:08:37,609
We wanted to sell a message to you

1940
01:08:37,609 --> 01:08:39,550
sitting on these natural resources.

1941
01:08:40,229 --> 01:08:42,950
So the message which we wanted to sell

1942
01:08:42,950 --> 01:08:49,149
by testing in real, in real action, this

1943
01:08:49,149 --> 01:08:55,670
hypersonic system is that we will we will

1944
01:08:55,670 --> 01:08:58,590
be ready to do anything to defend our

1945
01:08:58,590 --> 01:08:59,710
legitimate interest.

1946
01:08:59,710 --> 01:09:03,750
We hate even to think about war with

1947
01:09:03,750 --> 01:09:07,210
the United States, which will take, you know,

1948
01:09:07,290 --> 01:09:08,970
nuclear, nuclear character.

1949
01:09:09,390 --> 01:09:11,770
So the timing of all this is not

1950
01:09:11,770 --> 01:09:13,450
lost on me because we have Trump.

1951
01:09:13,630 --> 01:09:16,529
We went to the reopening of of the

1952
01:09:16,529 --> 01:09:20,450
cathedral in Paris and Zelensky was there.

1953
01:09:20,550 --> 01:09:22,490
So we're starting to ramp up the deal.

1954
01:09:22,590 --> 01:09:25,510
We've heard continuously, well, we got to give

1955
01:09:25,510 --> 01:09:27,210
these guys all that we can because they

1956
01:09:27,210 --> 01:09:29,390
have a position of strength for the coming

1957
01:09:29,390 --> 01:09:30,750
peace negotiations.

1958
01:09:31,010 --> 01:09:32,430
So everybody knows this is coming.

1959
01:09:34,050 --> 01:09:36,410
And and, you know, who who walks into

1960
01:09:36,410 --> 01:09:39,090
the UFC arena with Trump is Tucker.

1961
01:09:39,670 --> 01:09:41,870
So, you know, how does does he just

1962
01:09:41,870 --> 01:09:44,149
call up and say, you know, I think

1963
01:09:44,149 --> 01:09:45,370
it's a it's a good time for me

1964
01:09:45,370 --> 01:09:46,370
to interview Lavrov.

1965
01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:47,970
Let me see if I can call Lavrov.

1966
01:09:48,069 --> 01:09:49,390
No, no.

1967
01:09:49,450 --> 01:09:50,330
This is a setup.

1968
01:09:50,430 --> 01:09:51,149
This is a deal.

1969
01:09:51,149 --> 01:09:53,510
And it got thwarted by the CEO assassination,

1970
01:09:54,150 --> 01:09:56,990
because I believe the idea was to have

1971
01:09:56,990 --> 01:09:59,930
the truth come out about the war in

1972
01:09:59,930 --> 01:10:03,330
Ukraine, about, you know, the true, you know,

1973
01:10:04,350 --> 01:10:08,110
mission, which is to take the resources and

1974
01:10:08,110 --> 01:10:10,370
and have the Ukrainians go back to being

1975
01:10:10,370 --> 01:10:12,950
slaves and hookers for everybody else the way

1976
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:15,010
in the good old days, Lindsey Graham leading

1977
01:10:15,010 --> 01:10:15,510
the pack.

1978
01:10:16,570 --> 01:10:21,470
And to again reiterate that this is a

1979
01:10:21,470 --> 01:10:22,990
war that NATO started.

1980
01:10:23,610 --> 01:10:25,610
But the whole thing just fell flat in

1981
01:10:25,610 --> 01:10:26,090
the media.

1982
01:10:26,490 --> 01:10:30,670
And even in the I believe old boss,

1983
01:10:30,770 --> 01:10:33,330
new boss, you know, the podcasters, I thought

1984
01:10:33,330 --> 01:10:36,070
the idea was have Tucker sit down.

1985
01:10:36,170 --> 01:10:36,670
Oh, my God.

1986
01:10:36,750 --> 01:10:37,990
Tucker did an interview with Lavrov.

1987
01:10:38,230 --> 01:10:40,270
I expected Megyn Kelly to be on it.

1988
01:10:40,350 --> 01:10:41,910
Dan Bongino to be on it.

1989
01:10:42,010 --> 01:10:44,450
But they're all on the on the usual

1990
01:10:44,450 --> 01:10:46,410
the hill figure hero.

1991
01:10:46,570 --> 01:10:48,730
You know, they're all on the Monopoly money

1992
01:10:48,730 --> 01:10:49,250
murderer.

1993
01:10:49,250 --> 01:10:51,650
So they completely got distracted.

1994
01:10:51,790 --> 01:10:54,810
But I do want to play Lavrov's reiteration

1995
01:10:54,810 --> 01:10:56,790
of of the the coup.

1996
01:10:57,130 --> 01:10:59,570
But I just wonder how worried you are

1997
01:10:59,570 --> 01:11:02,450
that considering there doesn't seem to be a

1998
01:11:02,450 --> 01:11:04,350
lot of conversation between the two countries.

1999
01:11:04,810 --> 01:11:07,970
Both sides are speaking about exterminating the other's

2000
01:11:07,970 --> 01:11:10,630
populations, that this could somehow get out of

2001
01:11:10,630 --> 01:11:12,410
control in a very short period and no

2002
01:11:12,410 --> 01:11:13,130
one could stop it.

2003
01:11:13,190 --> 01:11:14,050
It seems incredibly.

2004
01:11:14,270 --> 01:11:15,130
No, we are not.

2005
01:11:15,210 --> 01:11:18,150
We're not talking about exterminating anybody's population.

2006
01:11:18,690 --> 01:11:20,290
We did not start this war.

2007
01:11:20,970 --> 01:11:25,630
We have been for years and years and

2008
01:11:25,630 --> 01:11:31,890
years sending warnings that pushing NATO close and

2009
01:11:31,890 --> 01:11:36,090
close to our borders is going to create

2010
01:11:36,090 --> 01:11:36,670
a problem.

2011
01:11:37,170 --> 01:11:37,270
Yes.

2012
01:11:37,730 --> 01:11:42,450
2007 Putin, Putin started to explain, you know,

2013
01:11:42,550 --> 01:11:45,130
to the people who seem to be overtaken

2014
01:11:45,130 --> 01:11:49,970
by the end of history and being dominant.

2015
01:11:50,690 --> 01:11:53,050
No challenge and so on and so forth.

2016
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:58,110
And of course, when the coup took place,

2017
01:11:58,910 --> 01:12:01,350
the Americans did not hide that they were

2018
01:12:01,350 --> 01:12:01,990
behind it.

2019
01:12:02,730 --> 01:12:08,170
There is a conversation between Victoria Nuland and

2020
01:12:08,170 --> 01:12:11,230
the then American ambassador in Kiev when they

2021
01:12:11,230 --> 01:12:15,490
discuss personalities to be included in the new

2022
01:12:15,490 --> 01:12:16,850
government after the coup.

2023
01:12:18,290 --> 01:12:22,830
The figure of five billion bucks spent on

2024
01:12:22,830 --> 01:12:27,870
Ukraine after independence was mentioned as the guarantee

2025
01:12:27,870 --> 01:12:31,250
that everything would be like the Americans want.

2026
01:12:31,710 --> 01:12:34,390
So we don't have any any intention to

2027
01:12:34,390 --> 01:12:36,390
exterminate Ukrainian people.

2028
01:12:36,570 --> 01:12:40,790
They are brothers and sisters to the to

2029
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:41,690
the Russian people.

2030
01:12:41,690 --> 01:12:44,090
So, no, we didn't get through to Code

2031
01:12:44,090 --> 01:12:45,150
Bongino with this.

2032
01:12:45,270 --> 01:12:47,230
I thought it would happen, but everything got

2033
01:12:47,230 --> 01:12:48,710
sidetracked.

2034
01:12:48,990 --> 01:12:50,110
And for good reason.

2035
01:12:50,830 --> 01:12:52,710
I want to ask you, does it make

2036
01:12:52,710 --> 01:12:54,070
sense for us, because we've done it a

2037
01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:55,590
couple of times, two and a half minutes

2038
01:12:56,130 --> 01:12:59,210
to replay that Victoria Nuland call just so

2039
01:12:59,210 --> 01:12:59,750
everyone kind of.

2040
01:12:59,790 --> 01:13:00,970
Oh, I love that call.

2041
01:13:01,210 --> 01:13:03,170
In fact, in fact, the funny thing is

2042
01:13:03,170 --> 01:13:03,990
that he brought it up.

2043
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:06,030
I want to mention this before it was

2044
01:13:06,030 --> 01:13:07,970
good that you play the you haven't lined

2045
01:13:07,970 --> 01:13:08,390
up.

2046
01:13:09,070 --> 01:13:11,750
I think the Russians, because they're the ones

2047
01:13:11,750 --> 01:13:13,510
who it's obvious who captured this.

2048
01:13:13,610 --> 01:13:14,870
This is Russian intelligence.

2049
01:13:15,130 --> 01:13:15,750
They grabbed this.

2050
01:13:16,150 --> 01:13:17,830
They had everybody tapped and they had this

2051
01:13:17,830 --> 01:13:18,730
beautiful call.

2052
01:13:18,910 --> 01:13:19,710
High end quality.

2053
01:13:20,290 --> 01:13:22,070
High end quality call.

2054
01:13:22,270 --> 01:13:22,730
Beautiful.

2055
01:13:23,490 --> 01:13:26,230
And it didn't get the results they expected.

2056
01:13:26,590 --> 01:13:29,070
No, the media completely ignored it completely.

2057
01:13:30,610 --> 01:13:31,230
So here it is.

2058
01:13:31,390 --> 01:13:32,090
They must have been.

2059
01:13:32,150 --> 01:13:33,650
I have to say they have to have

2060
01:13:33,650 --> 01:13:35,170
been beside themselves.

2061
01:13:35,170 --> 01:13:38,010
Like how dumb are them?

2062
01:13:38,190 --> 01:13:41,090
Is the American public that we can do

2063
01:13:41,090 --> 01:13:43,090
this and they don't even give a shit?

2064
01:13:44,630 --> 01:13:47,130
I'll tell you that, you know, hanging out

2065
01:13:47,130 --> 01:13:48,110
with the oil baron.

2066
01:13:48,190 --> 01:13:50,470
He said ever since I started listening to

2067
01:13:50,470 --> 01:13:53,790
no agenda, he says my whole view on

2068
01:13:53,790 --> 01:13:54,790
the world has changed.

2069
01:13:54,890 --> 01:13:58,710
Here's the guy who even understands such basic

2070
01:13:58,710 --> 01:14:02,230
fundamentals as drill baby drill is bull crap.

2071
01:14:03,190 --> 01:14:05,790
But he he he wasn't really thinking in

2072
01:14:05,790 --> 01:14:07,750
these ways, you know, the no agenda way

2073
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:08,310
of thinking.

2074
01:14:08,970 --> 01:14:10,710
And I think part of it's just, you

2075
01:14:10,710 --> 01:14:13,490
know, exposure to the stuff that we play,

2076
01:14:13,910 --> 01:14:16,010
which is out there is just it doesn't

2077
01:14:16,010 --> 01:14:16,690
get picked up.

2078
01:14:16,750 --> 01:14:19,690
It doesn't get into any form of any

2079
01:14:19,690 --> 01:14:23,370
stream, let alone mainstream or alternative stream or

2080
01:14:23,370 --> 01:14:24,590
or urine stream.

2081
01:14:24,590 --> 01:14:26,330
It's just it doesn't get picked up.

2082
01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:27,270
Oh, please.

2083
01:14:27,270 --> 01:14:30,270
Oh, well, I think that you get there

2084
01:14:30,270 --> 01:14:33,670
because the media and the and the narratives

2085
01:14:33,670 --> 01:14:36,750
and bringing it back again to J.C.

2086
01:14:37,150 --> 01:14:40,210
presenting his liberal buddies with this one piece

2087
01:14:40,210 --> 01:14:43,910
of information they never got 30 for 30.

2088
01:14:44,030 --> 01:14:48,230
They never is that it's it's so controlled.

2089
01:14:48,470 --> 01:14:51,370
The public perception is so controlled by these

2090
01:14:51,370 --> 01:14:54,530
guys that to break through it, you once

2091
01:14:54,530 --> 01:14:57,030
you get breakthrough, you're you should be able

2092
01:14:57,030 --> 01:14:58,430
to live with yourself.

2093
01:14:58,690 --> 01:15:01,350
But I guess it's an eye opener.

2094
01:15:01,870 --> 01:15:01,970
Yeah.

2095
01:15:02,590 --> 01:15:03,290
Go ahead.

2096
01:15:03,710 --> 01:15:06,410
I was going to say this clip should

2097
01:15:06,410 --> 01:15:09,170
have really opened everybody's eyes about what's going

2098
01:15:09,170 --> 01:15:09,370
on.

2099
01:15:09,430 --> 01:15:11,510
And it's still nobody.

2100
01:15:11,670 --> 01:15:13,230
Half the people don't know behalf.

2101
01:15:13,330 --> 01:15:14,290
Nobody knows about it.

2102
01:15:14,370 --> 01:15:15,410
This is 2014.

2103
01:15:15,770 --> 01:15:18,850
After Victoria Nuland was on the Maidan Square

2104
01:15:18,850 --> 01:15:21,410
handing out cookies and doughnuts to the protesters,

2105
01:15:21,550 --> 01:15:22,390
Brennan was there.

2106
01:15:22,450 --> 01:15:24,730
Don't forget CIA Director Brennan was there.

2107
01:15:24,730 --> 01:15:26,270
Lindsey Graham was there.

2108
01:15:26,370 --> 01:15:27,750
John McCain was there.

2109
01:15:27,870 --> 01:15:28,990
Everybody was there.

2110
01:15:29,070 --> 01:15:29,830
And Hunter, of course.

2111
01:15:30,230 --> 01:15:30,690
What do you think?

2112
01:15:31,130 --> 01:15:32,070
This is the call.

2113
01:15:32,170 --> 01:15:34,950
She's talking to the U.S. ambassador and

2114
01:15:34,950 --> 01:15:37,150
his name is Piatt.

2115
01:15:37,450 --> 01:15:38,190
And here we go.

2116
01:15:38,430 --> 01:15:38,910
What do you think?

2117
01:15:39,530 --> 01:15:40,970
I think we're in play.

2118
01:15:42,010 --> 01:15:45,390
The the Klitschko piece is obviously the complicated

2119
01:15:45,390 --> 01:15:46,950
electron here.

2120
01:15:47,710 --> 01:15:50,330
And for those who don't know, Klitschko became

2121
01:15:50,330 --> 01:15:51,670
the mayor of Moscow.

2122
01:15:51,970 --> 01:15:54,410
He he actually owned some strip clubs, I

2123
01:15:54,410 --> 01:15:54,710
think.

2124
01:15:54,710 --> 01:15:55,710
Or some brothels.

2125
01:15:56,750 --> 01:16:00,150
Then a very famous famous boxer, a fighter,

2126
01:16:00,270 --> 01:16:03,650
boxer became the world champion heavyweight boxer with

2127
01:16:03,650 --> 01:16:04,610
his brother.

2128
01:16:04,810 --> 01:16:05,450
They both did.

2129
01:16:05,630 --> 01:16:05,730
Yeah.

2130
01:16:05,770 --> 01:16:08,170
And they they didn't really want him in,

2131
01:16:08,270 --> 01:16:09,610
but they wanted him adjacent.

2132
01:16:09,610 --> 01:16:11,690
And this is the guy who recently went

2133
01:16:11,690 --> 01:16:14,290
on X and said, hey, Joe Rogan, put

2134
01:16:14,290 --> 01:16:15,290
me on your podcast.

2135
01:16:15,470 --> 01:16:16,690
I will tell you how it is really

2136
01:16:16,690 --> 01:16:17,170
working.

2137
01:16:17,310 --> 01:16:21,770
OK, because obviously the complicated electron here, especially

2138
01:16:21,770 --> 01:16:23,970
the announcement of him as deputy prime minister.

2139
01:16:23,970 --> 01:16:25,750
And you've seen some of my notes on

2140
01:16:25,750 --> 01:16:27,810
the troubles in the marriage right now.

2141
01:16:27,850 --> 01:16:29,390
So we're trying to get a read really

2142
01:16:29,390 --> 01:16:31,150
fast on where he is on this stuff.

2143
01:16:31,630 --> 01:16:33,610
But I think your argument to him, which

2144
01:16:33,610 --> 01:16:34,970
you'll need to make, I think that's the

2145
01:16:34,970 --> 01:16:36,390
next phone call we want to set up

2146
01:16:36,390 --> 01:16:39,030
is exactly the one you made to to

2147
01:16:39,030 --> 01:16:39,450
yachts.

2148
01:16:39,470 --> 01:16:40,830
And I'm glad you sort of put him

2149
01:16:40,830 --> 01:16:42,450
on the spot on where he fits in

2150
01:16:42,450 --> 01:16:42,970
this scenario.

2151
01:16:43,310 --> 01:16:45,110
And I'm very glad he said what he

2152
01:16:45,110 --> 01:16:45,850
said in response.

2153
01:16:47,690 --> 01:16:48,050
Good.

2154
01:16:48,610 --> 01:16:50,830
So I don't think we should go into

2155
01:16:50,830 --> 01:16:51,270
the government.

2156
01:16:51,390 --> 01:16:52,290
I don't think it's necessary.

2157
01:16:52,430 --> 01:16:53,430
I don't think it's a good idea.

2158
01:16:53,950 --> 01:16:59,590
Yeah, I mean, I guess you think what

2159
01:16:59,590 --> 01:17:01,430
in terms of him not going into the

2160
01:17:01,430 --> 01:17:02,970
government, just let him sort of stay out

2161
01:17:02,970 --> 01:17:04,670
and do his political homework and stuff.

2162
01:17:04,950 --> 01:17:08,170
I'm just thinking in terms of sort of

2163
01:17:08,170 --> 01:17:10,670
the process moving ahead, we want to keep

2164
01:17:10,670 --> 01:17:12,110
the moderate Democrats together.

2165
01:17:12,230 --> 01:17:13,770
The problem is going to be Tony Bok

2166
01:17:13,770 --> 01:17:14,450
and his guys.

2167
01:17:15,110 --> 01:17:16,650
And, you know, I'm sure that's part of

2168
01:17:16,650 --> 01:17:18,870
what Yanukovych is calculating on all of this.

2169
01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:23,710
I just I think Yats is the guy

2170
01:17:23,710 --> 01:17:26,830
who's got the economic experience, the governing experience.

2171
01:17:27,030 --> 01:17:28,910
He's he's the guy, you know, what he

2172
01:17:28,910 --> 01:17:30,650
needs is Cleach and Tony Bok on the

2173
01:17:30,650 --> 01:17:30,990
outside.

2174
01:17:31,270 --> 01:17:32,630
He needs to be talking to them four

2175
01:17:32,630 --> 01:17:33,290
times a week.

2176
01:17:33,910 --> 01:17:36,670
You know, do you remember Yatsenyuk, the guy

2177
01:17:36,670 --> 01:17:39,870
who they installed initially, that wimpy ass soy

2178
01:17:39,870 --> 01:17:40,810
boy guy?

2179
01:17:41,090 --> 01:17:43,030
And he and he was a big disappointment.

2180
01:17:43,090 --> 01:17:44,970
That was that was the wrong choice.

2181
01:17:45,730 --> 01:17:48,290
I just think Cleach going in, he's going

2182
01:17:48,290 --> 01:17:50,990
to be at that level working for Yatsenyuk,

2183
01:17:51,010 --> 01:17:52,030
it's just not going to work.

2184
01:17:52,570 --> 01:17:54,190
Yeah, no, I think that's I think that's

2185
01:17:54,190 --> 01:17:54,350
right.

2186
01:17:54,490 --> 01:17:55,710
OK, good.

2187
01:17:55,790 --> 01:17:56,630
Well, do you want us to try to

2188
01:17:56,630 --> 01:17:58,130
set up a call with him as the

2189
01:17:58,130 --> 01:17:58,590
next step?

2190
01:17:59,930 --> 01:18:02,510
My understanding from that call, but you tell

2191
01:18:02,510 --> 01:18:04,370
me was that the big three were going

2192
01:18:04,370 --> 01:18:06,710
into their own meeting and that Yats was

2193
01:18:06,710 --> 01:18:09,110
going to offer in that context a three

2194
01:18:09,110 --> 01:18:11,570
way, you know, three plus one conversation or

2195
01:18:11,570 --> 01:18:12,650
three plus two with you.

2196
01:18:13,010 --> 01:18:14,610
Is that not how you understood it?

2197
01:18:14,970 --> 01:18:16,310
No, I think I mean, that's what he

2198
01:18:16,310 --> 01:18:16,850
proposed.

2199
01:18:16,990 --> 01:18:18,710
But I think just knowing the dynamic that's

2200
01:18:18,710 --> 01:18:21,730
been with them, where Klitschko has been the

2201
01:18:21,730 --> 01:18:23,030
top dog, he's going to take a while

2202
01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:24,610
to show up for whatever meeting they've got.

2203
01:18:24,730 --> 01:18:26,350
He's probably talking to his guys at this

2204
01:18:26,350 --> 01:18:26,650
point.

2205
01:18:26,790 --> 01:18:28,850
So I think you reaching out directly to

2206
01:18:28,850 --> 01:18:32,450
him helps with the personality management among the

2207
01:18:32,450 --> 01:18:32,790
three.

2208
01:18:32,990 --> 01:18:35,190
And it gives you also a chance to

2209
01:18:35,190 --> 01:18:37,070
move fast on all this stuff and put

2210
01:18:37,070 --> 01:18:39,550
us behind you behind it before they all

2211
01:18:39,550 --> 01:18:39,970
sit down.

2212
01:18:40,030 --> 01:18:42,210
And he he explains why he doesn't like

2213
01:18:42,210 --> 01:18:42,390
it.

2214
01:18:42,750 --> 01:18:43,610
OK, good.

2215
01:18:43,670 --> 01:18:44,170
I'm happy.

2216
01:18:44,170 --> 01:18:45,510
Why don't you reach out to him and

2217
01:18:45,510 --> 01:18:47,330
see if he wants to talk before or

2218
01:18:47,330 --> 01:18:47,570
after?

2219
01:18:48,250 --> 01:18:48,990
OK, we'll do.

2220
01:18:49,430 --> 01:18:49,810
Thanks.

2221
01:18:50,290 --> 01:18:51,230
OK, I've now written.

2222
01:18:51,410 --> 01:18:52,890
Oh, one more wrinkle for you, Jeff.

2223
01:18:53,230 --> 01:18:55,390
Yeah, I can't remember if I told you

2224
01:18:55,390 --> 01:18:57,190
this or if I only told Washington this,

2225
01:18:57,290 --> 01:18:59,770
that when I talked to Jeff Feltman this

2226
01:18:59,770 --> 01:19:01,930
morning, he had a new name for the

2227
01:19:01,930 --> 01:19:03,290
U.N. guy, Robert Sari.

2228
01:19:03,530 --> 01:19:04,770
Did I write that this morning?

2229
01:19:05,050 --> 01:19:06,030
Yeah, I saw that.

2230
01:19:07,050 --> 01:19:09,670
He's now gotten both Sari and Ban Ki

2231
01:19:09,670 --> 01:19:11,810
-moon to agree that Sari could come in

2232
01:19:11,810 --> 01:19:12,670
Monday or Tuesday.

2233
01:19:13,050 --> 01:19:13,490
OK.

2234
01:19:14,030 --> 01:19:15,670
So that would be great, I think, to

2235
01:19:15,670 --> 01:19:17,430
help glue this thing and have the U

2236
01:19:17,430 --> 01:19:18,350
.N. help glue it.

2237
01:19:18,870 --> 01:19:20,470
And, you know, fuck the EU.

2238
01:19:20,830 --> 01:19:22,050
Yeah, there it is.

2239
01:19:24,190 --> 01:19:26,190
And the only thing that the media reported

2240
01:19:26,190 --> 01:19:29,270
on is, well, the Russians tapped her phone

2241
01:19:29,270 --> 01:19:30,910
and they heard her say F the EU.

2242
01:19:31,790 --> 01:19:33,410
That's the only part of the call that

2243
01:19:33,410 --> 01:19:33,510
was.

2244
01:19:33,730 --> 01:19:35,430
I don't remember that, to be honest about.

2245
01:19:35,550 --> 01:19:35,790
Yeah.

2246
01:19:35,850 --> 01:19:37,610
And then, you know, later she talks about

2247
01:19:37,610 --> 01:19:40,290
having Biden come in to midwife this deal,

2248
01:19:40,330 --> 01:19:42,250
because, of course, and with that, she meant

2249
01:19:42,250 --> 01:19:42,890
Joe Biden.

2250
01:19:43,490 --> 01:19:45,850
I mean, this whole thing was so obvious

2251
01:19:45,850 --> 01:19:48,230
and it was ridiculous.

2252
01:19:48,310 --> 01:19:50,330
And now Trump had the right idea, like,

2253
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:52,210
oh, we'll get this going to the the

2254
01:19:52,210 --> 01:19:57,350
the new podcast narrative, the new podcast virality.

2255
01:19:57,350 --> 01:19:59,390
And it just fell flat.

2256
01:20:00,750 --> 01:20:02,230
Fell flat, but.

2257
01:20:03,390 --> 01:20:04,630
They they still had the meeting.

2258
01:20:05,950 --> 01:20:09,210
In Notre Dame, I have let me see.

2259
01:20:10,230 --> 01:20:12,470
I just I have to Notre Dame.

2260
01:20:12,610 --> 01:20:13,430
OK, OK.

2261
01:20:13,810 --> 01:20:17,530
The first one is interesting because you you've

2262
01:20:17,530 --> 01:20:18,530
been in Notre Dame.

2263
01:20:18,890 --> 01:20:21,850
Yes, I've been there at least three or

2264
01:20:21,850 --> 01:20:22,450
four times.

2265
01:20:22,450 --> 01:20:24,010
I mean, when you go to Paris, you

2266
01:20:24,010 --> 01:20:25,890
don't go always go there, but you go

2267
01:20:25,890 --> 01:20:27,430
there because it's a pretty cool place of

2268
01:20:27,430 --> 01:20:28,150
a one and done.

2269
01:20:28,290 --> 01:20:30,130
Honestly, it's like I've been there a couple

2270
01:20:30,130 --> 01:20:30,510
of times.

2271
01:20:30,690 --> 01:20:32,390
Well, I usually I've taken different people.

2272
01:20:32,670 --> 01:20:33,530
So, hey, look at this.

2273
01:20:33,650 --> 01:20:35,830
Hey, I'll say this on your head.

2274
01:20:35,870 --> 01:20:36,970
If you're a woman, you got to put

2275
01:20:36,970 --> 01:20:38,530
a paper bag on your head.

2276
01:20:39,090 --> 01:20:39,730
No, you don't.

2277
01:20:39,890 --> 01:20:40,130
Yes.

2278
01:20:40,230 --> 01:20:40,590
Yes.

2279
01:20:40,590 --> 01:20:41,670
It is a wailing wall.

2280
01:20:41,830 --> 01:20:43,410
No, no, no.

2281
01:20:43,430 --> 01:20:45,790
I've never seen any paper bag on there.

2282
01:20:45,850 --> 01:20:47,010
Not an actual paper bag.

2283
01:20:47,010 --> 01:20:48,510
But you have to cover your head in

2284
01:20:48,510 --> 01:20:49,070
the Notre Dame.

2285
01:20:49,230 --> 01:20:50,410
Women have to cover their head.

2286
01:20:50,710 --> 01:20:52,310
I don't believe this to be true.

2287
01:20:52,650 --> 01:20:55,130
Well, when I was there anyway.

2288
01:20:55,430 --> 01:20:55,750
OK.

2289
01:20:57,050 --> 01:20:58,850
I will say this, and you have to

2290
01:20:58,850 --> 01:21:00,130
you must have noticed this, too.

2291
01:21:00,210 --> 01:21:02,150
It doesn't look like the same place at

2292
01:21:02,150 --> 01:21:02,410
all.

2293
01:21:02,490 --> 01:21:03,550
No, no, it does.

2294
01:21:03,610 --> 01:21:06,670
It is just dynamite looking because when you

2295
01:21:06,670 --> 01:21:09,370
went there in the olden days, it was

2296
01:21:09,370 --> 01:21:11,330
kind of dingy, to be honest about.

2297
01:21:11,390 --> 01:21:12,150
It was dark.

2298
01:21:12,390 --> 01:21:13,410
Everything was dirty.

2299
01:21:14,370 --> 01:21:16,410
The you know, because of the grime for

2300
01:21:16,410 --> 01:21:19,230
hundreds and hundreds of years of coal burning

2301
01:21:19,230 --> 01:21:20,950
in the area, it's all got in.

2302
01:21:21,010 --> 01:21:24,550
So everything was like a that that European

2303
01:21:25,230 --> 01:21:28,390
kind of grayish look that all of all

2304
01:21:28,390 --> 01:21:31,790
the everything becomes because of the coal soot

2305
01:21:31,790 --> 01:21:33,230
that gets into everything.

2306
01:21:33,530 --> 01:21:34,470
It's white.

2307
01:21:35,010 --> 01:21:35,150
Yeah.

2308
01:21:35,490 --> 01:21:35,790
Yeah.

2309
01:21:35,790 --> 01:21:37,710
And it's spectacular looking.

2310
01:21:37,850 --> 01:21:39,470
I go back just to see what it

2311
01:21:39,470 --> 01:21:40,170
looks like now.

2312
01:21:41,870 --> 01:21:43,790
So here we go with the clip one.

2313
01:21:44,510 --> 01:21:46,730
The bells of Notre Dame Cathedral rang this

2314
01:21:46,730 --> 01:21:48,970
evening in Paris for the first time since

2315
01:21:48,970 --> 01:21:51,610
a fire devastated the landmark in 2019.

2316
01:21:52,650 --> 01:21:55,770
After that fire, French President Emmanuel Macron vowed

2317
01:21:55,770 --> 01:21:58,230
that the ravaged cathedral would be repaired within

2318
01:21:58,230 --> 01:21:59,190
five years.

2319
01:21:59,250 --> 01:22:01,770
And tonight, the doors of Notre Dame opened

2320
01:22:01,770 --> 01:22:02,270
again.

2321
01:22:02,270 --> 01:22:04,770
And here's Eleanor Beardsley was there to witness

2322
01:22:04,770 --> 01:22:05,850
it all and joins us now.

2323
01:22:06,050 --> 01:22:06,410
Hey, Eleanor.

2324
01:22:06,850 --> 01:22:07,530
Hi, Scott.

2325
01:22:07,650 --> 01:22:09,050
What an emotional evening.

2326
01:22:09,870 --> 01:22:10,490
It really was.

2327
01:22:10,570 --> 01:22:11,870
You know, that bell you're talking about is

2328
01:22:11,870 --> 01:22:14,890
a 13 ton bell called Emmanuel, and they've

2329
01:22:14,890 --> 01:22:16,490
just put it back up in that spire

2330
01:22:16,490 --> 01:22:17,110
in November.

2331
01:22:17,710 --> 01:22:19,790
You know, remember the church, what we saw,

2332
01:22:19,890 --> 01:22:21,890
the roof collapse, the spire collapse.

2333
01:22:21,930 --> 01:22:23,810
There was a huge hole, twisted metal.

2334
01:22:23,990 --> 01:22:25,630
Yeah, it's like a brand new church.

2335
01:22:25,650 --> 01:22:29,350
You go in the soaring ceilings are white.

2336
01:22:29,470 --> 01:22:30,890
The stones are all white.

2337
01:22:30,890 --> 01:22:32,990
Now the gray is gone.

2338
01:22:33,090 --> 01:22:35,810
The glowing golden chandeliers.

2339
01:22:35,930 --> 01:22:38,210
It just it's absolutely pristine.

2340
01:22:38,650 --> 01:22:39,450
The clergy.

2341
01:22:39,570 --> 01:22:41,490
I mean, it was something from the movies

2342
01:22:41,490 --> 01:22:41,810
tonight.

2343
01:22:41,930 --> 01:22:44,210
You know, the archbishop and all the bishops

2344
01:22:44,210 --> 01:22:44,550
with them.

2345
01:22:44,650 --> 01:22:47,150
They wore their long cloaks and their miters

2346
01:22:47,150 --> 01:22:48,510
as big hats.

2347
01:22:48,510 --> 01:22:51,010
And these vestments were all made for the

2348
01:22:51,010 --> 01:22:51,470
occasion.

2349
01:22:51,750 --> 01:22:55,470
And then, Scott, the ceremony, the rituals, the

2350
01:22:55,470 --> 01:22:56,030
symbolism.

2351
01:22:56,190 --> 01:22:57,930
I mean, it felt like almost medieval.

2352
01:22:57,930 --> 01:23:01,390
I mean, to start with the archbishop, he

2353
01:23:01,390 --> 01:23:02,290
took his crozier.

2354
01:23:02,450 --> 01:23:03,150
That's his staff.

2355
01:23:03,210 --> 01:23:04,710
And it's made from one of the charged

2356
01:23:04,710 --> 01:23:06,370
roof, charred roof timbers.

2357
01:23:06,550 --> 01:23:10,010
And he banged on the door three times.

2358
01:23:10,070 --> 01:23:11,350
And it sounded like this.

2359
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:20,860
So he says, Notre Dame, please open your

2360
01:23:20,860 --> 01:23:21,560
doors for us.

2361
01:23:21,580 --> 01:23:22,860
And it was like, wow, you know, what

2362
01:23:22,860 --> 01:23:23,600
we were witnessing.

2363
01:23:23,820 --> 01:23:27,300
Yeah, well, I apologize.

2364
01:23:27,620 --> 01:23:28,420
It is shoulders.

2365
01:23:28,580 --> 01:23:30,220
You can have no bare shoulders in Notre

2366
01:23:30,220 --> 01:23:30,480
Dame.

2367
01:23:31,580 --> 01:23:33,240
Women cannot have bare shoulders.

2368
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:35,200
Yeah, I thought I looked it up.

2369
01:23:35,300 --> 01:23:35,640
I did.

2370
01:23:35,740 --> 01:23:37,440
I looked it up on the on the

2371
01:23:37,440 --> 01:23:38,340
Notre Dame website.

2372
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:40,400
No bare shoulders.

2373
01:23:40,540 --> 01:23:41,280
You get a little bib.

2374
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:43,380
I will say this.

2375
01:23:43,500 --> 01:23:45,400
The thing is spectacular.

2376
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:49,640
But I'm reminded of St. Xavier South.

2377
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:50,820
It's near Tucson.

2378
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:55,560
Which is a Catholic church that is more

2379
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:59,460
traditionally decorated like they were, I guess, during

2380
01:23:59,460 --> 01:24:02,900
the era of the of all these churches

2381
01:24:02,900 --> 01:24:04,400
that were built all over the West Coast

2382
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:05,420
by the.

2383
01:24:06,660 --> 01:24:09,240
The what are the group of people that

2384
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:12,040
floated around building churches and making Indians do

2385
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:12,520
work?

2386
01:24:13,820 --> 01:24:15,160
Yeah, I don't know.

2387
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:15,740
Who were they?

2388
01:24:16,300 --> 01:24:19,020
Well, it's a term that alludes to me

2389
01:24:19,020 --> 01:24:19,980
for some unknown reason.

2390
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:23,260
But whatever the case that that church, if

2391
01:24:23,260 --> 01:24:24,720
anyone gets to see it, you go, holy

2392
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:27,080
mackerel, this church, you'd go to this church

2393
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:28,720
and you say the same thing.

2394
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:30,880
I think this church, you'd go to this.

2395
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:32,600
Nobody goes to these churches anymore.

2396
01:24:32,980 --> 01:24:35,320
The worst example, if anyone wants to check

2397
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:37,720
it out, there's a a cathedral similar to

2398
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:40,140
Notre Dame is not quite as elaborate in

2399
01:24:40,140 --> 01:24:41,620
Sao Paulo, Brazil.

2400
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:43,340
That is just a dump.

2401
01:24:43,660 --> 01:24:45,320
It's just a dump.

2402
01:24:45,980 --> 01:24:48,220
And the and you can see where people

2403
01:24:48,220 --> 01:24:49,920
like kind of lose the interest is, I

2404
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:50,980
don't know why am I coming here?

2405
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:52,020
This place is stinks.

2406
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:53,280
It's a dump is dirty.

2407
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:55,880
And Notre Dame was that way, more or

2408
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:57,800
less compared to what it is now.

2409
01:24:57,800 --> 01:24:59,440
You could see what people would just go

2410
01:24:59,440 --> 01:25:00,000
crazy.

2411
01:25:00,340 --> 01:25:00,740
So wait a minute.

2412
01:25:00,860 --> 01:25:03,600
So you're suggesting that maybe this was an

2413
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:05,800
insurance scam by the church to spiffy it

2414
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:07,180
up and get people interested again?

2415
01:25:09,430 --> 01:25:11,130
I wasn't suggesting that at all.

2416
01:25:11,190 --> 01:25:13,650
But now that you mention it, it's quite

2417
01:25:13,650 --> 01:25:14,230
possible.

2418
01:25:14,310 --> 01:25:15,310
It is spiffy looking.

2419
01:25:15,570 --> 01:25:16,270
I agree.

2420
01:25:16,390 --> 01:25:17,910
It was kind of I think the word

2421
01:25:17,910 --> 01:25:19,750
dank would come to mind like dank.

2422
01:25:19,970 --> 01:25:20,930
That's a better word.

2423
01:25:21,030 --> 01:25:22,210
Yeah, it was dank.

2424
01:25:22,310 --> 01:25:24,150
And it's because of all the buildup of

2425
01:25:24,150 --> 01:25:27,970
all that soot from, you know, it's just

2426
01:25:27,970 --> 01:25:29,770
like, yeah, first time I went to Europe

2427
01:25:29,770 --> 01:25:30,730
was in 1973.

2428
01:25:31,330 --> 01:25:32,690
And I had to change my shirt.

2429
01:25:32,810 --> 01:25:33,370
I was in London.

2430
01:25:33,630 --> 01:25:35,850
I had to change my shirt three times

2431
01:25:35,850 --> 01:25:38,970
during the day because around the collar and

2432
01:25:38,970 --> 01:25:42,750
around the sleeves, it was just black within

2433
01:25:42,750 --> 01:25:44,770
just a few hours of walking around.

2434
01:25:45,110 --> 01:25:48,150
So everything everything is dingy and dank, dank,

2435
01:25:48,330 --> 01:25:49,090
dingy and dank.

2436
01:25:49,470 --> 01:25:50,410
Yeah, that's right.

2437
01:25:51,630 --> 01:25:51,930
All right.

2438
01:25:51,970 --> 01:25:52,330
Clip two.

2439
01:25:52,570 --> 01:25:53,870
Also, some real politics today.

2440
01:25:53,870 --> 01:25:56,070
President-elect Trump was there and he met

2441
01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:56,870
with Macron, right?

2442
01:25:57,330 --> 01:25:57,810
Absolutely.

2443
01:25:58,130 --> 01:25:59,410
Well, President-elect Trump was here.

2444
01:25:59,550 --> 01:26:01,350
And First Lady Jill Biden with her daughter

2445
01:26:01,350 --> 01:26:01,830
Ashley.

2446
01:26:02,050 --> 01:26:03,570
And they sat in the front of the

2447
01:26:03,570 --> 01:26:03,830
cathedral.

2448
01:26:03,970 --> 01:26:06,470
And actually, Trump sat between President Macron and

2449
01:26:06,470 --> 01:26:08,830
First Lady French First Lady Brigitte Macron because

2450
01:26:08,830 --> 01:26:09,610
he came alone.

2451
01:26:09,930 --> 01:26:12,090
But before the ceremony, yes, he met up

2452
01:26:12,090 --> 01:26:12,650
at the Elysee.

2453
01:26:13,370 --> 01:26:14,990
He was welcome to the Elysee.

2454
01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:16,670
And Macron says, welcome back.

2455
01:26:16,690 --> 01:26:17,910
Do you remember this room?

2456
01:26:18,290 --> 01:26:19,910
And, you know, he reminded people were there

2457
01:26:19,910 --> 01:26:22,290
that Trump was president when Notre Dame burned.

2458
01:26:22,430 --> 01:26:24,790
And he thanked him then how he was

2459
01:26:24,790 --> 01:26:25,370
so moved.

2460
01:26:25,470 --> 01:26:27,310
And he thanked Trump and Americans for their

2461
01:26:27,310 --> 01:26:28,790
solidarity with the cathedral.

2462
01:26:29,410 --> 01:26:31,210
And then Macron did something that he loves

2463
01:26:31,210 --> 01:26:33,010
to do, these little political coups.

2464
01:26:33,330 --> 01:26:36,390
He was meeting with Ukrainian President Zelensky after

2465
01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:36,750
Trump.

2466
01:26:36,850 --> 01:26:38,470
And by the way, Zelensky got a round

2467
01:26:38,470 --> 01:26:40,550
of applause when he entered into the cathedral

2468
01:26:40,550 --> 01:26:40,910
tonight.

2469
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:43,130
But anyway, Macron's meeting with Zelensky.

2470
01:26:43,570 --> 01:26:45,930
And he, you know, asked Trump to wait.

2471
01:26:45,970 --> 01:26:47,330
So we actually got them together.

2472
01:26:47,370 --> 01:26:49,010
So the three of them also met.

2473
01:26:49,450 --> 01:26:49,730
Interesting.

2474
01:26:50,350 --> 01:26:51,570
One more important question.

2475
01:26:51,890 --> 01:26:53,010
Notre Dame isn't just a landmark.

2476
01:26:53,030 --> 01:26:54,090
Hold on a second.

2477
01:26:54,890 --> 01:26:56,770
What is where's this report from?

2478
01:26:57,870 --> 01:26:58,310
NPR.

2479
01:26:58,850 --> 01:27:01,610
So we have Macron, who was called for

2480
01:27:01,610 --> 01:27:02,530
boots on the ground.

2481
01:27:02,970 --> 01:27:04,830
We have Trump, who was called for peace.

2482
01:27:05,210 --> 01:27:07,950
And we have Zelensky, who is, you know,

2483
01:27:07,990 --> 01:27:08,730
all for money.

2484
01:27:09,390 --> 01:27:11,710
But but listen to how NPR handles it.

2485
01:27:11,790 --> 01:27:13,890
And he, you know, asked Trump to wait.

2486
01:27:13,950 --> 01:27:15,290
So we actually got them together.

2487
01:27:15,290 --> 01:27:16,970
So the three of them also met.

2488
01:27:17,330 --> 01:27:17,690
Interesting.

2489
01:27:17,690 --> 01:27:18,970
The three of them met.

2490
01:27:19,190 --> 01:27:19,490
Interesting.

2491
01:27:20,030 --> 01:27:20,550
What?

2492
01:27:21,450 --> 01:27:21,970
What?

2493
01:27:22,490 --> 01:27:23,810
It's not just interesting.

2494
01:27:24,930 --> 01:27:27,550
That's that's like an off the books meeting

2495
01:27:27,550 --> 01:27:29,110
that is beyond interesting.

2496
01:27:29,670 --> 01:27:30,190
NPR.

2497
01:27:30,670 --> 01:27:31,950
One more important question.

2498
01:27:32,410 --> 01:27:33,870
Could it be about Ukraine?

2499
01:27:34,090 --> 01:27:35,210
Notre Dame isn't just a landmark.

2500
01:27:35,470 --> 01:27:36,930
It's a Catholic cathedral.

2501
01:27:37,230 --> 01:27:38,170
Is there going to be mass tomorrow?

2502
01:27:38,670 --> 01:27:41,470
There sure is two masses tomorrow and it

2503
01:27:41,470 --> 01:27:42,690
will open for the public.

2504
01:27:42,850 --> 01:27:44,330
But let me tell you, you've got to

2505
01:27:44,330 --> 01:27:46,270
now go online and get a slot.

2506
01:27:46,270 --> 01:27:47,910
And I don't think you're going to be

2507
01:27:47,910 --> 01:27:49,450
able to get a ticket any time soon.

2508
01:27:49,590 --> 01:27:50,750
A lot of people want to go.

2509
01:27:51,090 --> 01:27:51,950
You always have to go.

2510
01:27:52,390 --> 01:27:54,250
Yeah, you always have to get a slot.

2511
01:27:55,150 --> 01:27:56,790
You got to get a slot.

2512
01:27:57,130 --> 01:27:57,470
I did.

2513
01:27:57,590 --> 01:28:00,090
Well, you were there much, much different time.

2514
01:28:00,690 --> 01:28:01,970
I also went to the roof.

2515
01:28:03,310 --> 01:28:04,310
Was it on fire?

2516
01:28:04,970 --> 01:28:06,110
No, you could.

2517
01:28:06,370 --> 01:28:08,730
There was there's one pathway you could climb

2518
01:28:08,730 --> 01:28:10,150
all the way to the roof and go

2519
01:28:10,150 --> 01:28:12,610
sit on the roof of the Notre Dame.

2520
01:28:12,770 --> 01:28:13,130
Cool.

2521
01:28:13,550 --> 01:28:15,230
Right next to the gargoyles.

2522
01:28:15,230 --> 01:28:17,030
There's usually about a half dozen or a

2523
01:28:17,030 --> 01:28:18,030
dozen people up there.

2524
01:28:18,490 --> 01:28:18,650
Yeah.

2525
01:28:18,730 --> 01:28:20,370
And you just sit down, you have lunch

2526
01:28:20,370 --> 01:28:21,230
or whatever you want to do.

2527
01:28:21,250 --> 01:28:24,410
It's actually quite, quite remarkable to do that.

2528
01:28:24,550 --> 01:28:25,790
It's a pain in the ass to get

2529
01:28:25,790 --> 01:28:27,150
up and down those steps, though.

2530
01:28:27,470 --> 01:28:28,830
And the pope did not show.

2531
01:28:29,190 --> 01:28:30,610
I thought that was rather interesting.

2532
01:28:30,750 --> 01:28:31,310
Well, the pope.

2533
01:28:31,410 --> 01:28:31,570
Yeah.

2534
01:28:31,670 --> 01:28:33,970
Well, there's you can talk to your Catholic

2535
01:28:33,970 --> 01:28:35,090
buddies about this.

2536
01:28:35,470 --> 01:28:39,110
I think even I think even Mark, I

2537
01:28:39,110 --> 01:28:41,730
think Void Zero would have some comment about

2538
01:28:41,730 --> 01:28:42,790
why this was.

2539
01:28:42,850 --> 01:28:44,170
You are my Catholic buddy.

2540
01:28:44,170 --> 01:28:45,150
What are you talking about?

2541
01:28:47,630 --> 01:28:48,030
OK.

2542
01:28:49,450 --> 01:28:50,970
But well, why not a real pope?

2543
01:28:51,590 --> 01:28:52,970
Oh, I see what you're saying.

2544
01:28:53,070 --> 01:28:53,290
OK.

2545
01:28:53,410 --> 01:28:56,770
Well, yes, I would say universally most Catholics

2546
01:28:56,770 --> 01:28:59,230
I know certainly don't think he's the he's

2547
01:28:59,230 --> 01:28:59,950
a good one.

2548
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:04,160
So, you know, he's not going to show

2549
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:04,560
up, dude.

2550
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:06,420
I didn't show up late.

2551
01:29:06,540 --> 01:29:06,960
Yeah, he did.

2552
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:08,520
He didn't want to show up and get

2553
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:10,440
struck by lightning is what you're saying.

2554
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:12,260
I didn't say that.

2555
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:12,980
No, I am.

2556
01:29:13,900 --> 01:29:14,400
No, I am.

2557
01:29:16,480 --> 01:29:18,940
So anyway, yeah, it does look like a

2558
01:29:18,940 --> 01:29:20,160
spectacular view now.

2559
01:29:20,260 --> 01:29:22,340
And now it'd be interesting to see, because

2560
01:29:22,340 --> 01:29:24,200
it's probably in the condition it was when

2561
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:27,300
it was built before the suit.

2562
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:31,900
Well, we might as well stay on some

2563
01:29:31,900 --> 01:29:34,020
some dumb political news.

2564
01:29:35,620 --> 01:29:37,420
And I have a couple of clips here.

2565
01:29:37,900 --> 01:29:39,400
You see, this is oh, this is a

2566
01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:41,140
shorty to introduce the topic.

2567
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:42,940
We talked about it briefly on Thursday.

2568
01:29:42,940 --> 01:29:45,640
Well, just days after President Joe Biden issued

2569
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:48,120
a sweeping pardon for his son, Hunter, sources

2570
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:51,160
say the president is considering even more pardons,

2571
01:29:51,540 --> 01:29:52,900
and these could be for the people who

2572
01:29:52,900 --> 01:29:56,100
might be targeted by the incoming Trump administration.

2573
01:29:56,780 --> 01:29:58,440
An ABC News source close to the president

2574
01:29:58,440 --> 01:30:01,360
confirms that Biden and his senior aides are

2575
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:04,120
discussing pardons for current and former officials.

2576
01:30:04,440 --> 01:30:07,240
They include retired General Mark Milley, senator elect

2577
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:11,140
Adam Schiff, Dr. Anthony Fauci and former Republican

2578
01:30:11,140 --> 01:30:12,800
Representative Liz Cheney.

2579
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:14,160
Survivors campaign.

2580
01:30:14,460 --> 01:30:17,600
Trump vowed to enact retribution on his political

2581
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:18,440
enemies.

2582
01:30:18,860 --> 01:30:19,300
Please.

2583
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:21,720
So there.

2584
01:30:22,780 --> 01:30:24,600
This is ridiculous, by the way.

2585
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:26,200
I have two clips I want to play.

2586
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:28,940
This is, you know, the kind of ridiculousness

2587
01:30:28,940 --> 01:30:30,360
you get from these guys.

2588
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:32,520
This is Rachel Maddow.

2589
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:34,960
You saw these, right?

2590
01:30:35,060 --> 01:30:36,000
No, I have not.

2591
01:30:36,100 --> 01:30:38,140
I have meet the press, but I'll take

2592
01:30:38,140 --> 01:30:40,720
Rachel Maddow over, meet the press any day.

2593
01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:42,560
This is in 2020.

2594
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:44,960
She was ridiculing Trump because there was some

2595
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:47,560
phony baloney rumor that he was going to

2596
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:50,240
do these crazy pardons for his family.

2597
01:30:50,480 --> 01:30:52,980
Oh, that's a preemptive for his family.

2598
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:53,420
Yes.

2599
01:30:53,540 --> 01:30:53,780
OK.

2600
01:30:53,980 --> 01:30:54,160
Yeah.

2601
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:55,840
Of course, he didn't do any of that.

2602
01:30:55,940 --> 01:30:56,560
But OK.

2603
01:30:56,700 --> 01:30:57,080
2020.

2604
01:30:57,300 --> 01:30:59,120
It's not beyond her to talk about it.

2605
01:30:59,180 --> 01:31:00,740
Here's your this is pardons 20.

2606
01:31:00,820 --> 01:31:01,600
This is in 2020.

2607
01:31:01,940 --> 01:31:04,440
President Trump, as he winds down his last

2608
01:31:04,440 --> 01:31:07,920
few weeks in office, is considering preemptive pardons

2609
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:09,980
for all his adult children.

2610
01:31:10,580 --> 01:31:12,280
Including his son in law, Jared.

2611
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:15,240
What a mess.

2612
01:31:16,100 --> 01:31:16,880
More as we know.

2613
01:31:18,580 --> 01:31:21,140
He did, of course, pardon Jared's dad.

2614
01:31:22,120 --> 01:31:23,600
And that was in jail.

2615
01:31:23,820 --> 01:31:24,260
Yeah.

2616
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:25,940
And pardon him and made him ambassador.

2617
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:28,860
Well, that's recently he didn't make him ambassador

2618
01:31:28,860 --> 01:31:29,340
then.

2619
01:31:29,620 --> 01:31:31,660
No, but he's an ambassador, wasn't he?

2620
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:33,460
Didn't he become ambassador or was he a

2621
01:31:33,460 --> 01:31:34,200
friend for it?

2622
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:34,360
Yeah.

2623
01:31:34,500 --> 01:31:35,020
Oh, good.

2624
01:31:35,140 --> 01:31:37,380
Which is a nice best one.

2625
01:31:37,460 --> 01:31:38,640
They have the best residents.

2626
01:31:39,260 --> 01:31:41,640
Well, actually, the best one I and I

2627
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:42,620
think we've talked about this.

2628
01:31:42,740 --> 01:31:45,240
Do you think London was really the best

2629
01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:45,700
way?

2630
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:47,240
If you want any one of these jobs,

2631
01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:48,080
you get one.

2632
01:31:48,620 --> 01:31:48,840
Vatican.

2633
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:51,420
Oh, yeah.

2634
01:31:52,140 --> 01:31:52,660
Yeah.

2635
01:31:52,780 --> 01:31:55,340
It's basically just all party.

2636
01:31:55,500 --> 01:31:58,460
Grand grand crew burgundies for the rest of

2637
01:31:58,460 --> 01:31:58,840
your life.

2638
01:31:58,940 --> 01:32:00,020
Nonstop partying.

2639
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:02,540
There's nothing else to do there.

2640
01:32:03,580 --> 01:32:04,340
All right.

2641
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:06,700
Now we have Rachel Maddow on the twenty

2642
01:32:06,700 --> 01:32:07,840
twenty four pardons.

2643
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:10,060
I'm sure this is in stark contrast to

2644
01:32:10,060 --> 01:32:11,200
what she said about Trump.

2645
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:11,780
Here we go.

2646
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:12,160
Exactly.

2647
01:32:12,820 --> 01:32:15,060
All the hand wringing and gnashing of teeth

2648
01:32:15,060 --> 01:32:17,740
today about a president using his power, his

2649
01:32:17,740 --> 01:32:22,300
pardon power, his powers as president to do

2650
01:32:22,300 --> 01:32:23,480
something for a family member.

2651
01:32:24,240 --> 01:32:27,220
Tell me more about how outraged we all

2652
01:32:27,220 --> 01:32:30,560
are about President Biden's pardon for his son.

2653
01:32:36,180 --> 01:32:37,340
She's the worst.

2654
01:32:37,340 --> 01:32:37,680
All right.

2655
01:32:37,700 --> 01:32:39,840
I have my Catholic buddies have checked in

2656
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:40,300
with me.

2657
01:32:40,660 --> 01:32:41,440
Here we go.

2658
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:43,780
Francis is the real pope, but he's like

2659
01:32:43,780 --> 01:32:45,720
that very old grandpa that comes over for

2660
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:47,480
dinner and nobody likes what everyone has to

2661
01:32:47,480 --> 01:32:48,900
respect for, you know, reasons.

2662
01:32:49,340 --> 01:32:52,120
He's just a typical happy, clappy Kumbaya boomer.

2663
01:32:52,660 --> 01:32:54,860
He's tried to reduce the importance of traditions

2664
01:32:54,860 --> 01:32:56,900
and people who do love traditions, the Latin

2665
01:32:56,900 --> 01:32:59,960
mass, etc., are just being thrown aside as

2666
01:32:59,960 --> 01:33:02,100
being rigid while we think that he and

2667
01:33:02,100 --> 01:33:03,380
his mentality are rigid.

2668
01:33:03,420 --> 01:33:05,280
But OK, we got to respect him because

2669
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:07,840
he's the highest authority on earth after all,

2670
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:10,080
and we can choose to ignore his personal

2671
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:10,600
opinions.

2672
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:13,840
That's the that's that's for my Catholic buddies.

2673
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:14,920
Yeah, it was.

2674
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:16,120
It sounds like boys.

2675
01:33:16,340 --> 01:33:17,640
Yeah, of course, it's void zero.

2676
01:33:18,940 --> 01:33:20,880
Who else did you expect it to be?

2677
01:33:21,820 --> 01:33:22,520
All right.

2678
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:26,460
So here's meet the press on the preemptive

2679
01:33:26,460 --> 01:33:26,860
pardons.

2680
01:33:26,900 --> 01:33:29,280
So is the only check on a president's

2681
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:31,340
pardon power essentially impeachment?

2682
01:33:31,660 --> 01:33:32,000
Yes.

2683
01:33:32,060 --> 01:33:33,940
And I would argue that since the Supreme

2684
01:33:33,940 --> 01:33:37,240
Court's immunity decision this past year, that it's

2685
01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:40,780
even less checkable now because let's say, for

2686
01:33:40,780 --> 01:33:44,480
example, imagine a situation where a president pardons

2687
01:33:44,480 --> 01:33:48,100
people that were arguably co-conspirators in a

2688
01:33:48,100 --> 01:33:48,880
crime that he committed.

2689
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:51,300
This is exactly what one of the framers,

2690
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:53,720
George Mason, was worried about when they argued

2691
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:55,880
about whether to include the pardon power in

2692
01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:56,640
the Constitution.

2693
01:33:57,080 --> 01:33:59,060
They almost didn't include it, or at least

2694
01:33:59,060 --> 01:34:01,140
there were those who argued against it, even

2695
01:34:01,140 --> 01:34:03,160
though it came from the English tradition and

2696
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:04,960
was already in existence in the colonies.

2697
01:34:05,300 --> 01:34:07,000
There were folks who didn't want the pardon

2698
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:08,640
power for exactly that concern.

2699
01:34:08,740 --> 01:34:11,640
So it's strange that now post immunity decision,

2700
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:15,800
that exact conduct might not even be prosecutable.

2701
01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:18,360
So, yes, the short answer is it may

2702
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:21,260
be that the only check is impeachment and

2703
01:34:21,260 --> 01:34:24,140
probably not even criminal prosecution for a criminal

2704
01:34:24,140 --> 01:34:24,460
pardon.

2705
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:26,640
What are they saying there?

2706
01:34:27,260 --> 01:34:28,880
I don't even know.

2707
01:34:29,380 --> 01:34:30,560
Well, there's more of it.

2708
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:34,860
Is accepting this pardon essentially an admission of

2709
01:34:34,860 --> 01:34:35,120
guilt?

2710
01:34:35,480 --> 01:34:37,200
Oh, that is a thorny question.

2711
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:39,040
Oh, that's better than a great question.

2712
01:34:39,060 --> 01:34:42,220
Oh, that's better than a great question.

2713
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:44,020
It's a thorny question.

2714
01:34:44,140 --> 01:34:44,620
I like that.

2715
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:45,260
I like this.

2716
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:46,960
Supreme Court case from 18.

2717
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:48,100
Wait, let me I want to hear him

2718
01:34:48,100 --> 01:34:48,580
say it again.

2719
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:51,020
Oh, that is a thorny question.

2720
01:34:51,620 --> 01:34:54,780
Supreme Court case from 1815 suggested that, yes,

2721
01:34:54,860 --> 01:34:57,320
acceptance of a pardon is an admission of

2722
01:34:57,320 --> 01:34:57,520
guilt.

2723
01:34:57,520 --> 01:34:59,940
But in the modern era, that's probably not

2724
01:34:59,940 --> 01:35:00,880
the case anymore.

2725
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:03,440
For example, I handle wrongful conviction cases.

2726
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:05,760
And often if you get a pardon, critical

2727
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:07,560
is whether or not it's a pardon based

2728
01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:10,580
on actual innocence because actual innocence is key

2729
01:35:10,580 --> 01:35:12,580
to wrongful conviction payout statutes.

2730
01:35:13,160 --> 01:35:15,800
So in a modern era, it's still an

2731
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:17,360
open, thorny question.

2732
01:35:17,780 --> 01:35:20,520
But the more likely answer is that depending

2733
01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:22,840
on the language in the pardon itself that

2734
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:25,960
can control a pardon may no longer be,

2735
01:35:26,100 --> 01:35:27,760
per se, an admission of guilt.

2736
01:35:28,280 --> 01:35:31,120
No, boy, they'll do anything to make it

2737
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:33,100
to paper over it, won't they?

2738
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:38,000
You know, we brought up the Rachel in

2739
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:39,340
2020 when Trump was leaving.

2740
01:35:39,440 --> 01:35:42,200
I found this clip which has been going

2741
01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:43,720
around again for some reason.

2742
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:46,140
And this is the clip that ran on

2743
01:35:46,140 --> 01:35:49,740
NBC just before Trump got kicked out of

2744
01:35:49,740 --> 01:35:50,300
office.

2745
01:35:50,940 --> 01:35:53,360
And as I listen to it, I think

2746
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:55,240
I'm wondering what do you mean kicked out?

2747
01:35:55,240 --> 01:35:56,500
You mean when he lost the election?

2748
01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:57,880
What do you mean kicked out of office?

2749
01:35:58,380 --> 01:35:59,740
He was he lost the election.

2750
01:35:59,820 --> 01:36:00,200
Oh, OK.

2751
01:36:00,420 --> 01:36:01,120
All right.

2752
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:04,580
But under strange circumstances.

2753
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:05,640
Yes.

2754
01:36:06,340 --> 01:36:09,060
Is it possible that this is the circumstances?

2755
01:36:09,060 --> 01:36:10,440
This is the second half of a show

2756
01:36:10,440 --> 01:36:15,360
clip called History 2020, the space aliens clip.

2757
01:36:16,700 --> 01:36:18,380
OK, here we go, everybody.

2758
01:36:18,540 --> 01:36:19,040
This is by the way.

2759
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:19,580
Wait, wait.

2760
01:36:19,580 --> 01:36:22,740
This is just this ran just before the

2761
01:36:22,740 --> 01:36:25,240
the the rigged 2020 election.

2762
01:36:25,820 --> 01:36:28,400
Aliens exist and President Trump knows about it.

2763
01:36:28,500 --> 01:36:31,180
That's according to Israel's former space security chief.

2764
01:36:31,440 --> 01:36:33,500
In an interview with an Israeli newspaper, he

2765
01:36:33,500 --> 01:36:36,220
said the aliens have been waiting until today

2766
01:36:36,220 --> 01:36:38,740
for humanity to develop and reach a stage

2767
01:36:38,740 --> 01:36:41,200
where we will understand in general what space

2768
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:42,320
and spaceships are.

2769
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:45,560
NBC News chief global correspondent Bill Neely explains

2770
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:46,080
this one.

2771
01:36:46,300 --> 01:36:46,900
Hi, Alison.

2772
01:36:46,900 --> 01:36:48,480
Well, this is quite a story, and it

2773
01:36:48,480 --> 01:36:51,980
comes from the man who headed Israel's space

2774
01:36:51,980 --> 01:36:54,360
security program for nearly 30 years.

2775
01:36:54,900 --> 01:36:58,120
Chaim Eshed is making the extraordinary claim that

2776
01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:00,400
the United States and Israel have been in

2777
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:02,840
contact with a group of aliens for years,

2778
01:37:02,940 --> 01:37:05,760
not immigrants, but extraterrestrials.

2779
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:09,060
He has called them the Galactic Federation of

2780
01:37:09,060 --> 01:37:09,560
Aliens.

2781
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:11,960
And he says President Trump is aware of

2782
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:14,200
the existence of these aliens and had been

2783
01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:16,660
on the verge of revealing their secrets, he

2784
01:37:16,660 --> 01:37:19,440
claims, but was asked not to do so

2785
01:37:19,440 --> 01:37:21,540
by the Federation in order to prevent what

2786
01:37:21,540 --> 01:37:23,540
he calls mass hysteria.

2787
01:37:24,140 --> 01:37:25,840
Well, the retired general said the US and

2788
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:27,840
Israel have kept it from the public because,

2789
01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:29,960
quotes, humanity isn't ready.

2790
01:37:30,100 --> 01:37:32,240
And the aliens don't want to reveal themselves

2791
01:37:32,240 --> 01:37:35,620
until humanity can evolve, he says, and understand

2792
01:37:35,620 --> 01:37:37,620
what space really is.

2793
01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:40,360
Well, the good news is that he claims

2794
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:42,260
an agreement has been reached between the US

2795
01:37:42,260 --> 01:37:45,120
government and the aliens, a contract to do

2796
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:46,580
experiments here.

2797
01:37:47,140 --> 01:37:49,360
There's also, he says, a secret underground base

2798
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:52,540
on Mars where there are American and alien

2799
01:37:52,540 --> 01:37:53,280
representatives.

2800
01:37:53,860 --> 01:37:55,160
Well, Space Force.

2801
01:37:55,480 --> 01:37:56,520
I love it, John.

2802
01:37:57,200 --> 01:37:57,680
Mars.

2803
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:01,840
That's why Musk is all over the Mars

2804
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:02,080
thing.

2805
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:02,760
There you go.

2806
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:04,080
He's got to go have a meeting with

2807
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:05,440
the Galactic Council.

2808
01:38:06,100 --> 01:38:06,320
No.

2809
01:38:06,500 --> 01:38:10,060
Well, since you have introduced the second half

2810
01:38:10,060 --> 01:38:12,020
of show, allow me to thank you for

2811
01:38:12,020 --> 01:38:13,520
your courage and say in the morning to

2812
01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:14,680
you, the man who put the sea in

2813
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:15,500
my Catholic buddy.

2814
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:16,840
Say hello to my friend on the other

2815
01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:17,020
end.

2816
01:38:17,100 --> 01:38:19,000
The one, the only Mr. John C.

2817
01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:19,720
DeVore.

2818
01:38:23,120 --> 01:38:24,960
Yeah, well, in the morning, you must read

2819
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:26,720
the morning all ships and sea boots on

2820
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:28,420
the ground, feet in the air, the subs

2821
01:38:28,420 --> 01:38:29,920
in the water and all the dames and

2822
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:30,660
knights out there.

2823
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:31,400
Hold on a second.

2824
01:38:31,900 --> 01:38:33,060
So I'm going to tell you.

2825
01:38:33,700 --> 01:38:35,600
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

2826
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:38,080
OK, what do we have?

2827
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:41,680
We have twenty four sixty nine.

2828
01:38:43,700 --> 01:38:45,800
That is a little higher than normal.

2829
01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:46,580
Not much now.

2830
01:38:47,300 --> 01:38:48,380
Twenty four sixty nine.

2831
01:38:48,480 --> 01:38:49,780
It's a little higher than normal.

2832
01:38:49,940 --> 01:38:50,320
Well, yeah.

2833
01:38:50,340 --> 01:38:50,800
Twenty four.

2834
01:38:50,900 --> 01:38:51,920
OK, sixty nine.

2835
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:53,540
That's a little higher than normal.

2836
01:38:53,780 --> 01:38:54,540
Sixty nine.

2837
01:38:54,660 --> 01:38:55,560
Sixty nine.

2838
01:38:57,360 --> 01:38:59,780
Those trolls are with us live in the

2839
01:38:59,780 --> 01:39:00,340
troll room.

2840
01:39:00,620 --> 01:39:00,920
That's right.

2841
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:01,620
Hello, trolls.

2842
01:39:02,300 --> 01:39:04,480
The oil baron was like, I can't get

2843
01:39:04,480 --> 01:39:05,120
in the troll room.

2844
01:39:05,180 --> 01:39:05,980
How do I want to be?

2845
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:07,380
I don't want to be just web troll

2846
01:39:07,380 --> 01:39:07,740
number.

2847
01:39:07,740 --> 01:39:09,620
I want to be the oil baron in

2848
01:39:09,620 --> 01:39:10,260
the troll room.

2849
01:39:10,460 --> 01:39:11,860
So, you know, he might be in there.

2850
01:39:11,940 --> 01:39:12,300
I don't know.

2851
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:13,460
I haven't seen him yet.

2852
01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:15,820
People, people getting into it, into the troll

2853
01:39:15,820 --> 01:39:15,960
room.

2854
01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:16,680
They're loving it.

2855
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:17,740
That's a little.

2856
01:39:18,100 --> 01:39:18,460
Yeah.

2857
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:20,160
People like it.

2858
01:39:20,220 --> 01:39:22,260
They like I don't like being a number.

2859
01:39:22,740 --> 01:39:23,860
I want to be oil.

2860
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:26,560
I want to be funny enough.

2861
01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:27,660
That's not how he talks.

2862
01:39:27,700 --> 01:39:28,520
Isn't that interesting?

2863
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:32,860
Or a bear.

2864
01:39:32,960 --> 01:39:33,900
Does he hear texting?

2865
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:35,280
Does he talk through his teeth?

2866
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:37,140
There's I'm going to shoot you some new

2867
01:39:37,140 --> 01:39:37,640
guy.

2868
01:39:37,780 --> 01:39:39,720
I get you some from the King's Ranch

2869
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:40,580
pretty soon.

2870
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:42,820
Yeah, that's exactly how he talks.

2871
01:39:43,400 --> 01:39:44,040
You nailed it.

2872
01:39:44,940 --> 01:39:46,500
So you can join the oil baron in

2873
01:39:46,500 --> 01:39:48,160
the troll room, troll room dot IO.

2874
01:39:49,100 --> 01:39:50,560
And of course, you should be listening to

2875
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:52,520
us on a modern podcast app where you

2876
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:54,520
can get alerted when we go live.

2877
01:39:54,580 --> 01:39:55,860
A lot of people seem to enjoy that

2878
01:39:55,860 --> 01:39:56,480
as a feature.

2879
01:39:57,020 --> 01:39:59,560
Not available on your legacy podcast apps.

2880
01:39:59,900 --> 01:40:01,860
And so it's really it's a nice thing.

2881
01:40:01,860 --> 01:40:04,720
Or when we when we when we release

2882
01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:07,000
the show, 90 seconds within release, the modern

2883
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:09,280
podcast apps will tell everybody about it.

2884
01:40:09,300 --> 01:40:10,920
We have all kinds of extra goodies like

2885
01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:11,620
transcripts.

2886
01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:12,360
It's easy for you.

2887
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:14,060
English is a second language.

2888
01:40:14,120 --> 01:40:16,000
People, you can read along if you feel

2889
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:16,440
like it.

2890
01:40:16,440 --> 01:40:17,540
And we have chapters.

2891
01:40:17,680 --> 01:40:19,420
So you can jump around the topics.

2892
01:40:19,540 --> 01:40:21,500
Dreb Scott does that with a lot of

2893
01:40:21,500 --> 01:40:24,280
the images used, created by the artists uploaded

2894
01:40:24,280 --> 01:40:26,780
to no agenda art generator dot com, which

2895
01:40:26,780 --> 01:40:28,560
is part of our value for value model.

2896
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:32,200
We love it because that's it's a it's

2897
01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:34,100
a great way of receiving value back for

2898
01:40:34,100 --> 01:40:35,700
the value we provide for the show, which

2899
01:40:35,700 --> 01:40:36,520
is the only way.

2900
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:39,180
I think the more I look into it

2901
01:40:39,180 --> 01:40:41,280
now, there's been a lot of people trying

2902
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:44,960
to help, still trying to do advertising in

2903
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:46,920
this whole this whole.

2904
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:49,400
It's at this point almost a psyop of,

2905
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:51,960
but if you don't have video, your podcast

2906
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:53,720
is never going to do anything good.

2907
01:40:54,760 --> 01:40:57,620
This is they continuously trying to push everybody

2908
01:40:57,620 --> 01:40:58,520
to YouTube.

2909
01:40:59,200 --> 01:41:02,120
And I'm here to say it's not necessary.

2910
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:06,380
It's not even even Swisher and Galloway aren't

2911
01:41:06,380 --> 01:41:07,000
on video.

2912
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:07,880
Thank God.

2913
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:09,840
But, you know, it's like they were.

2914
01:41:10,200 --> 01:41:11,380
No, they're not on video.

2915
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:13,220
No, no.

2916
01:41:13,400 --> 01:41:14,020
Can you imagine?

2917
01:41:14,620 --> 01:41:18,080
I mean, seriously, Galloway is great in audio.

2918
01:41:18,300 --> 01:41:20,980
He does not have he's not telegenic.

2919
01:41:21,040 --> 01:41:21,820
Let's put it that way.

2920
01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:25,540
Now, that's why he's done three CNN pilots.

2921
01:41:25,680 --> 01:41:27,380
They all fail because he's I'm sorry, he

2922
01:41:27,380 --> 01:41:29,380
just he has a face for podcasting.

2923
01:41:29,960 --> 01:41:31,280
This is he was a producer.

2924
01:41:31,420 --> 01:41:32,720
We'll go look at him like, no, no,

2925
01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:33,680
he's not good for television.

2926
01:41:34,120 --> 01:41:35,340
And we don't want to be honest.

2927
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:37,180
We don't want to do video because it's

2928
01:41:37,180 --> 01:41:37,920
complicated.

2929
01:41:38,660 --> 01:41:40,780
It adds all kinds of complexity that we

2930
01:41:40,780 --> 01:41:41,660
don't want to deal with.

2931
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:43,200
And you got to get dressed up.

2932
01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:45,740
Well, I don't think I would.

2933
01:41:45,780 --> 01:41:47,260
But yeah, you got to get dressed up.

2934
01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:48,740
You know, I don't want to you know,

2935
01:41:48,740 --> 01:41:50,600
I'll be very self-conscious the whole time.

2936
01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:51,860
Like, oh, everyone sees my Tourette's.

2937
01:41:51,900 --> 01:41:53,960
I don't want any of that, though.

2938
01:41:54,020 --> 01:41:55,020
And, you know, you don't want to show

2939
01:41:55,020 --> 01:41:56,840
your although you used to show your studio

2940
01:41:56,840 --> 01:41:58,300
on on Twit.

2941
01:41:59,440 --> 01:42:01,300
Although a little bit of your studio, of

2942
01:42:01,300 --> 01:42:03,800
your office, I should say, you would have

2943
01:42:03,800 --> 01:42:05,540
like a Bert and Ernie doll behind you

2944
01:42:05,540 --> 01:42:05,880
or something.

2945
01:42:05,940 --> 01:42:06,440
What was that doll?

2946
01:42:06,620 --> 01:42:10,240
That was Barney, Barney, the Barney, Barney, Bert

2947
01:42:10,240 --> 01:42:11,000
and Barney doll.

2948
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:11,600
There you go.

2949
01:42:12,700 --> 01:42:15,560
So the artists, we're always very appreciative of

2950
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:16,760
what the artists do when they go to

2951
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:18,200
no agenda art generator dot com.

2952
01:42:18,280 --> 01:42:19,000
Anybody can do it.

2953
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:20,040
It's completely open.

2954
01:42:20,200 --> 01:42:22,320
And we like to comment on the art

2955
01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:23,920
because that is it's a kind of like

2956
01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:24,760
a value loop.

2957
01:42:24,840 --> 01:42:26,820
We send value back again to the artists

2958
01:42:26,820 --> 01:42:28,580
and we tell them why we didn't choose

2959
01:42:28,580 --> 01:42:30,680
them, which is something that they never hear

2960
01:42:30,680 --> 01:42:33,360
from art directors or people that they, you

2961
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:35,580
know, submit art for for a project or

2962
01:42:35,580 --> 01:42:36,540
for an advertisement.

2963
01:42:36,700 --> 01:42:38,660
No, they just get kicked off and they

2964
01:42:38,660 --> 01:42:41,740
don't get picked and they never know why.

2965
01:42:41,980 --> 01:42:43,000
They don't get to it.

2966
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:47,100
They don't get to analyze the tastes of

2967
01:42:47,100 --> 01:42:49,180
the of the art director necessarily.

2968
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:51,380
So they can't I mean, to the extreme,

2969
01:42:51,460 --> 01:42:52,160
they can with us.

2970
01:42:52,580 --> 01:42:52,920
Exactly.

2971
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:55,760
I'm just looking at let me see this

2972
01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:57,120
for a second, huh?

2973
01:42:57,800 --> 01:43:01,760
So this is M Adams who did the

2974
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:05,180
artwork for episode 17, 18.

2975
01:43:05,260 --> 01:43:07,480
We titled it on the fritz, which we

2976
01:43:07,480 --> 01:43:08,640
still think is just groovy.

2977
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:09,980
We're not we're never going to use the

2978
01:43:09,980 --> 01:43:10,860
word glitch anymore.

2979
01:43:10,940 --> 01:43:11,920
We're just going to say it's on the

2980
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:12,280
fritz.

2981
01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:14,880
We're bringing that word back into the lexicon.

2982
01:43:16,100 --> 01:43:19,320
And so the artist is MxAdam.com.

2983
01:43:19,380 --> 01:43:22,640
And if you go to MxAdam.com, you

2984
01:43:22,640 --> 01:43:23,260
should do that.

2985
01:43:23,460 --> 01:43:25,000
I mean, he he isn't he is an

2986
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:25,260
artist.

2987
01:43:25,460 --> 01:43:26,880
He does a lot of art that he

2988
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:30,020
hasn't submitted to to the show.

2989
01:43:30,100 --> 01:43:31,140
This is all different art.

2990
01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:32,400
I didn't even realize that.

2991
01:43:34,100 --> 01:43:35,940
And it looks like he does some commercial

2992
01:43:35,940 --> 01:43:36,600
art as well.

2993
01:43:36,660 --> 01:43:39,580
I don't know if he's all commissioned.

2994
01:43:39,700 --> 01:43:40,860
He has commissioned art.

2995
01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:42,040
Interesting.

2996
01:43:42,300 --> 01:43:43,940
This seems like he's kind of the real

2997
01:43:43,940 --> 01:43:44,300
deal.

2998
01:43:44,500 --> 01:43:44,800
Interesting.

2999
01:43:45,460 --> 01:43:49,500
The the art was did you see you

3000
01:43:49,500 --> 01:43:50,280
looking at it?

3001
01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:51,860
Yeah, I am.

3002
01:43:51,980 --> 01:43:54,120
It's just the way that you put it,

3003
01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:56,280
you know, like this is some sort of

3004
01:43:56,280 --> 01:43:58,200
shocker like that.

3005
01:43:58,240 --> 01:44:00,440
We have actual artists who submit artwork.

3006
01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:02,700
I know now this piece.

3007
01:44:02,840 --> 01:44:05,860
We both liked it because, you know, you

3008
01:44:05,860 --> 01:44:07,180
had the tsunami alert.

3009
01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:08,140
There was an earthquake.

3010
01:44:08,140 --> 01:44:10,060
There was all kinds of warnings, which you

3011
01:44:10,060 --> 01:44:10,340
didn't.

3012
01:44:10,420 --> 01:44:11,600
You just slept right through it.

3013
01:44:11,620 --> 01:44:12,800
Didn't feel a thing.

3014
01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:15,380
In fact, Berkeley, is there a harbor in

3015
01:44:15,380 --> 01:44:15,680
Berkeley?

3016
01:44:16,380 --> 01:44:17,720
Yeah, the Berkeley Marina.

3017
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:20,920
Yeah, the Berkeley Marina was supposed to be,

3018
01:44:20,960 --> 01:44:23,040
you know, the target of the tsunami, it

3019
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:23,680
turns out.

3020
01:44:25,240 --> 01:44:26,500
But none of that happened.

3021
01:44:26,640 --> 01:44:28,080
It was quite far away.

3022
01:44:28,100 --> 01:44:30,040
And I don't think there was any substantial

3023
01:44:30,040 --> 01:44:30,700
damage.

3024
01:44:31,340 --> 01:44:33,240
But this piece of art tsunami was it

3025
01:44:33,240 --> 01:44:34,860
was a dud was it was a dud

3026
01:44:34,860 --> 01:44:36,900
seven magnitude, but it was a dud.

3027
01:44:37,540 --> 01:44:39,200
And this was clearly.

3028
01:44:40,600 --> 01:44:41,080
Yes.

3029
01:44:41,200 --> 01:44:43,140
Yeah, they explained it.

3030
01:44:43,260 --> 01:44:44,700
If you want to know what the well,

3031
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:46,540
I didn't have any uplift and you had

3032
01:44:46,540 --> 01:44:48,800
any uplift to get the tsunami to happen.

3033
01:44:48,900 --> 01:44:51,580
It was just two things banging to each

3034
01:44:51,580 --> 01:44:52,180
other different.

3035
01:44:54,460 --> 01:44:56,860
This piece of art was clearly San Francisco

3036
01:44:56,860 --> 01:45:00,740
under severe stress from an earthquake, and it

3037
01:45:00,740 --> 01:45:03,940
was a very apocalyptic, but yet somehow cartoonishly

3038
01:45:03,940 --> 01:45:04,600
funny piece.

3039
01:45:04,840 --> 01:45:06,220
It was a good piece.

3040
01:45:06,220 --> 01:45:07,480
Yeah, it was.

3041
01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:08,420
And we both liked it.

3042
01:45:08,440 --> 01:45:11,140
We didn't want to pick it right away,

3043
01:45:11,660 --> 01:45:13,220
but we both agreed on it.

3044
01:45:13,220 --> 01:45:15,080
I like the and I use for the

3045
01:45:15,080 --> 01:45:15,580
newsletter.

3046
01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:18,160
I use Darren O'Neill's on the Fritz

3047
01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:18,620
piece.

3048
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:19,080
Yes.

3049
01:45:19,160 --> 01:45:20,080
Which was a box.

3050
01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:21,800
I know I was a box.

3051
01:45:22,020 --> 01:45:23,520
The point of that was, I'm not sure.

3052
01:45:24,200 --> 01:45:27,700
But he had every imaginable meme and whatever

3053
01:45:27,700 --> 01:45:29,600
he could jam into this thing that I

3054
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:31,040
don't know how this managed to happen.

3055
01:45:31,340 --> 01:45:33,860
He must have his own trained A.I.

3056
01:45:33,860 --> 01:45:37,140
He knows how to do something with that.

3057
01:45:37,260 --> 01:45:39,440
It is pretty interesting, Darren.

3058
01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:44,540
It's too bad that we didn't talk about

3059
01:45:44,540 --> 01:45:48,040
the Sinterklaas chocolate letters that the Dutch give

3060
01:45:48,040 --> 01:45:48,540
each other.

3061
01:45:48,720 --> 01:45:50,960
So December 5th, which is our last show

3062
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:51,260
day.

3063
01:45:52,360 --> 01:45:54,660
The good St. Nick comes to the Netherlands

3064
01:45:54,660 --> 01:45:56,800
and he or he's in the Netherlands and

3065
01:45:56,800 --> 01:45:58,560
he and his black Pete's the racist.

3066
01:45:59,620 --> 01:46:02,000
They go around and the good boys and

3067
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:05,260
girls, they get candy in their wooden shoe.

3068
01:46:05,460 --> 01:46:07,220
And the bad boys and girls, the the

3069
01:46:07,220 --> 01:46:10,300
evil black Pete, you know, puts him in

3070
01:46:10,300 --> 01:46:12,080
a burlap bag and takes him on the

3071
01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:13,580
steamboat to Spain.

3072
01:46:14,460 --> 01:46:16,040
And so she had some.

3073
01:46:16,940 --> 01:46:17,980
Why Spain?

3074
01:46:18,120 --> 01:46:19,080
That's where he's from.

3075
01:46:19,140 --> 01:46:19,900
Didn't you know that?

3076
01:46:20,540 --> 01:46:21,460
No, I don't.

3077
01:46:21,480 --> 01:46:22,480
I don't recall it.

3078
01:46:22,540 --> 01:46:23,340
Let's put it that way.

3079
01:46:23,580 --> 01:46:23,680
Yes.

3080
01:46:24,060 --> 01:46:27,380
Sinterklaas comes from Spain on a steamboat with

3081
01:46:27,380 --> 01:46:31,920
his black Pete helpers every year to reward

3082
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:34,340
the good children and punish and stuff the

3083
01:46:34,340 --> 01:46:36,980
bad children into the burlap sack and take

3084
01:46:36,980 --> 01:46:37,940
them away to Spain.

3085
01:46:38,500 --> 01:46:39,040
Mommy.

3086
01:46:39,780 --> 01:46:40,320
Exactly.

3087
01:46:40,860 --> 01:46:43,320
So she had some N.A. chocolate letters,

3088
01:46:43,540 --> 01:46:45,260
which had we talked about it, I would

3089
01:46:45,260 --> 01:46:50,020
have probably fought harder because she she had

3090
01:46:50,020 --> 01:46:51,660
that perfect piece, but we just didn't talk

3091
01:46:51,660 --> 01:46:52,100
about it.

3092
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:54,780
And then she also tried to do a

3093
01:46:54,780 --> 01:46:58,720
hunter shoe with a with a pardon present

3094
01:46:58,720 --> 01:46:59,540
in it, I guess.

3095
01:47:00,240 --> 01:47:01,760
But we didn't talk about any of that.

3096
01:47:01,860 --> 01:47:05,120
So she was she was doing some preemptive

3097
01:47:05,120 --> 01:47:05,800
programming.

3098
01:47:06,060 --> 01:47:07,720
Yeah, she was guessing she was guessing is

3099
01:47:07,720 --> 01:47:08,920
another way of looking at it.

3100
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:09,160
Yes.

3101
01:47:09,340 --> 01:47:10,860
People who do that always fail.

3102
01:47:11,060 --> 01:47:11,740
It's too bad.

3103
01:47:11,900 --> 01:47:13,600
Yeah, it usually does fail.

3104
01:47:13,800 --> 01:47:16,140
Oh, I'm sure because we are our topics

3105
01:47:16,140 --> 01:47:17,100
tend not to be.

3106
01:47:18,500 --> 01:47:19,480
Topic is obvious.

3107
01:47:19,700 --> 01:47:21,360
Some of them aren't obvious.

3108
01:47:21,620 --> 01:47:23,740
We're not very topical, it turns out.

3109
01:47:24,440 --> 01:47:25,600
So thank you.

3110
01:47:25,740 --> 01:47:28,700
MX Adam dot com for bringing us the

3111
01:47:28,700 --> 01:47:31,360
artwork for episode 17, 18.

3112
01:47:31,500 --> 01:47:32,380
We appreciate that.

3113
01:47:32,820 --> 01:47:34,340
It is value for value.

3114
01:47:34,340 --> 01:47:36,940
We accept all kinds of value in return.

3115
01:47:37,080 --> 01:47:39,280
You can tell someone about the show.

3116
01:47:39,460 --> 01:47:41,140
You can you can.

3117
01:47:41,340 --> 01:47:43,220
Well, a lot of people do websites for

3118
01:47:43,220 --> 01:47:43,460
us.

3119
01:47:43,660 --> 01:47:45,020
I don't think we've actually built our.

3120
01:47:45,120 --> 01:47:46,740
Well, we are no agenda donations.

3121
01:47:46,860 --> 01:47:48,640
We built no agenda rings dot com or

3122
01:47:48,640 --> 01:47:51,960
Jay has built that no agenda meetups and

3123
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:52,880
the art generator.

3124
01:47:52,880 --> 01:47:55,240
Many, you know, tip of the day dot

3125
01:47:55,240 --> 01:47:56,860
net, which we'll talk about later as we

3126
01:47:56,860 --> 01:47:57,660
have a tip of the day.

3127
01:47:58,280 --> 01:47:59,900
All of that has been done by producers

3128
01:47:59,900 --> 01:48:00,480
to help us.

3129
01:48:00,600 --> 01:48:01,900
We love the boots on the ground.

3130
01:48:01,980 --> 01:48:02,780
That's very helpful.

3131
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:04,200
Boots on the ground are fantastic.

3132
01:48:04,520 --> 01:48:05,520
Gives us insight.

3133
01:48:05,640 --> 01:48:06,000
So we have.

3134
01:48:07,480 --> 01:48:09,320
And we already knew what was going to

3135
01:48:09,320 --> 01:48:10,100
happen in Syria.

3136
01:48:10,360 --> 01:48:12,200
And we just didn't have a show on

3137
01:48:12,200 --> 01:48:14,060
Friday, but we already saw this coming down

3138
01:48:14,060 --> 01:48:14,940
the pike and there's more.

3139
01:48:15,060 --> 01:48:16,400
We have more boots on the ground coming

3140
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:16,620
up.

3141
01:48:16,980 --> 01:48:19,720
And of course, we like to thank our

3142
01:48:19,720 --> 01:48:22,060
producers who support us with treasure.

3143
01:48:22,060 --> 01:48:24,400
It's one of the three T's time, talent

3144
01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:25,100
and treasure.

3145
01:48:26,720 --> 01:48:30,160
And we thank anybody who sends in $50

3146
01:48:30,160 --> 01:48:30,780
or more.

3147
01:48:30,860 --> 01:48:32,460
And we thank everybody with the amount.

3148
01:48:32,580 --> 01:48:33,960
So, you know, I think we're one of

3149
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:37,260
the most transparent shows in show business and

3150
01:48:37,260 --> 01:48:39,800
our executive and associate executive producers are people

3151
01:48:39,800 --> 01:48:41,640
who support us with just that little bit

3152
01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:41,880
more.

3153
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:43,180
Two hundred dollars or above.

3154
01:48:43,300 --> 01:48:46,080
You get an official credit associate executive producer.

3155
01:48:46,200 --> 01:48:47,060
And we read your note.

3156
01:48:47,140 --> 01:48:49,620
Three hundred dollars and above executive producer for

3157
01:48:49,620 --> 01:48:50,240
this episode.

3158
01:48:50,240 --> 01:48:52,980
And we and you get that credit, which

3159
01:48:52,980 --> 01:48:55,840
is good for your lifetime and usable in

3160
01:48:55,840 --> 01:48:58,860
any show business context, including IMDB dot com.

3161
01:48:58,940 --> 01:49:00,840
And we will read your note as we

3162
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:04,740
start off with William Grantham from Paradise Valley,

3163
01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:07,520
Arizona, who comes in with one thousand dollars.

3164
01:49:07,660 --> 01:49:09,240
And I believe he is vying for an

3165
01:49:09,240 --> 01:49:09,760
instant night.

3166
01:49:09,780 --> 01:49:11,420
And he says, I can't remember my last

3167
01:49:11,420 --> 01:49:13,540
donation, but it's been years.

3168
01:49:13,800 --> 01:49:15,580
So I'm sending this to make up for

3169
01:49:15,580 --> 01:49:17,340
all the free shows I've been getting.

3170
01:49:17,800 --> 01:49:21,560
Please send some new contract karma and knight

3171
01:49:21,560 --> 01:49:23,360
me as surplusage.

3172
01:49:23,700 --> 01:49:26,760
I would think it's pronounced of the Wind

3173
01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:27,640
River Valley.

3174
01:49:28,280 --> 01:49:28,880
So there you go.

3175
01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:30,500
There's a guy who's like, you know, it's

3176
01:49:30,500 --> 01:49:31,980
time for me to send back some value.

3177
01:49:32,100 --> 01:49:33,280
And he and he catches up.

3178
01:49:33,340 --> 01:49:34,260
And I think it's beautiful.

3179
01:49:34,380 --> 01:49:35,200
And I thank you.

3180
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:37,080
You've got karma.

3181
01:49:40,420 --> 01:49:44,860
Calla Pidgeus, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin, Colin,

3182
01:49:44,860 --> 01:49:47,880
Colin in Willow Spring, North Carolina, four, four,

3183
01:49:47,960 --> 01:49:48,960
four, four, four, four.

3184
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:51,620
Switcheroo in the morning, John and Adam, this

3185
01:49:51,620 --> 01:49:53,340
donation brings me to knighthood status.

3186
01:49:53,560 --> 01:49:54,400
See accounting below.

3187
01:49:54,500 --> 01:49:58,440
I'd like to bestow this honor posthumously and

3188
01:49:58,440 --> 01:49:59,960
to my son, Jacob, the amount of four,

3189
01:50:00,040 --> 01:50:01,380
four, four, four, four is in honor of

3190
01:50:01,380 --> 01:50:04,280
the 44 days he spent in the NICU

3191
01:50:04,280 --> 01:50:07,480
gravely fighting all manner of complications related to

3192
01:50:07,480 --> 01:50:10,980
being born too early at just 23 weeks.

3193
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:14,360
On December 7th, 2021, he went on to

3194
01:50:14,360 --> 01:50:16,080
a much greater reward in the presence of

3195
01:50:16,080 --> 01:50:16,800
Jesus.

3196
01:50:17,160 --> 01:50:19,180
And we know that he has been cheering

3197
01:50:19,180 --> 01:50:21,680
on his twin brother every day since.

3198
01:50:22,780 --> 01:50:26,340
Please dub him, Sir Jacob, dearly loved refugee

3199
01:50:26,340 --> 01:50:30,640
of room six and prized resident of the

3200
01:50:30,640 --> 01:50:32,980
county far above the chemtrails.

3201
01:50:33,300 --> 01:50:34,260
We have trails.

3202
01:50:34,500 --> 01:50:35,960
We love you, sweet Jacob.

3203
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:37,260
No jingles, no karma.

3204
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:38,280
Thank you for what you do.

3205
01:50:38,980 --> 01:50:43,240
Calipages Colin in dubbed Spring, North Carolina.

3206
01:50:43,680 --> 01:50:45,880
OK, well, that's a very nice commemoration.

3207
01:50:46,020 --> 01:50:46,900
Yeah, it's kind of nice.

3208
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:51,860
Bryson Wolfert, Sandpoint, Idaho, three thirty three to

3209
01:50:51,860 --> 01:50:52,380
thirty three.

3210
01:50:52,540 --> 01:50:54,780
ITM Adam and John, longtime listener, first time

3211
01:50:54,780 --> 01:50:55,140
producer.

3212
01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:57,600
I was hit in the mouth during Adam's

3213
01:50:57,600 --> 01:51:00,040
Joe Rogan appearance in September 2020.

3214
01:51:00,300 --> 01:51:03,060
I have been seeing thirty threes all week.

3215
01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:04,180
Oh, we know what that means.

3216
01:51:05,060 --> 01:51:07,440
And the final straw was doing the math

3217
01:51:07,440 --> 01:51:10,460
on listening to nearly 33 days over seven

3218
01:51:10,460 --> 01:51:13,100
hundred and eighty five hours of podcast this

3219
01:51:13,100 --> 01:51:13,460
year.

3220
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:14,640
That's what I knew.

3221
01:51:14,900 --> 01:51:16,840
I had to pay homage to the podfather.

3222
01:51:17,500 --> 01:51:19,220
Thanks, he says.

3223
01:51:19,320 --> 01:51:19,820
Well, thank you.

3224
01:51:19,960 --> 01:51:21,980
Yes, it's it's just no jingles, no karma,

3225
01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:22,740
just a deduction.

3226
01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:26,120
You've been deduced.

3227
01:51:26,460 --> 01:51:27,560
Well known facts.

3228
01:51:27,680 --> 01:51:29,180
When you see the magic number, it's time

3229
01:51:29,180 --> 01:51:29,720
to donate.

3230
01:51:31,970 --> 01:51:35,030
And meanwhile, Sir Zach of Fudge in Frankenmuth,

3231
01:51:35,690 --> 01:51:38,390
Michigan, three three three to three three in

3232
01:51:38,390 --> 01:51:40,550
the morning, John and Adam, I forgive forgiving

3233
01:51:40,550 --> 01:51:43,170
for my handwriting and grammar on the note

3234
01:51:43,170 --> 01:51:46,110
I sent out with our fudge, John.

3235
01:51:47,390 --> 01:51:49,450
Adam, your fudge is in the mail.

3236
01:51:49,990 --> 01:51:51,790
It's it's a new version of your check

3237
01:51:51,790 --> 01:51:52,410
is in the mail.

3238
01:51:52,510 --> 01:51:53,910
Hey, man, your fudge is in the mail.

3239
01:51:54,570 --> 01:51:57,790
And don't forget no agenda friends free shipping

3240
01:51:57,790 --> 01:51:59,830
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3241
01:51:59,830 --> 01:52:03,550
Order now at no agenda fudge dot com.

3242
01:52:04,830 --> 01:52:06,290
Have you looked at the website?

3243
01:52:07,850 --> 01:52:10,170
Uh, I got no, actually, I haven't.

3244
01:52:10,330 --> 01:52:12,890
I should have no agenda or miss fudge

3245
01:52:12,890 --> 01:52:13,250
doc.

3246
01:52:13,310 --> 01:52:14,470
Let me see what it what it goes

3247
01:52:14,470 --> 01:52:15,230
to.

3248
01:52:15,290 --> 01:52:16,750
OK, they got a bunch of different kinds

3249
01:52:16,750 --> 01:52:17,330
of fudges.

3250
01:52:17,470 --> 01:52:19,770
Yeah, they got they should have a they

3251
01:52:19,770 --> 01:52:21,330
should have like a no agenda fudge.

3252
01:52:21,730 --> 01:52:25,110
And J.C.'s wife, Jesse, is from Michigan,

3253
01:52:25,210 --> 01:52:27,310
and she recognized when she saw the boxes

3254
01:52:27,310 --> 01:52:28,130
of fudge.

3255
01:52:28,790 --> 01:52:30,850
She recognized the brand as one of the

3256
01:52:30,850 --> 01:52:31,730
best in the world.

3257
01:52:32,390 --> 01:52:32,650
Really?

3258
01:52:33,250 --> 01:52:34,950
Yeah, it's just a Michigan company.

3259
01:52:35,130 --> 01:52:37,090
Everybody in Michigan apparently is all jacked up

3260
01:52:37,090 --> 01:52:37,830
about these guys.

3261
01:52:37,990 --> 01:52:39,990
Well, it just goes to show we have

3262
01:52:39,990 --> 01:52:42,190
the most amazing producers in the universe.

3263
01:52:43,370 --> 01:52:44,490
And they do weddings.

3264
01:52:45,310 --> 01:52:45,950
I just read.

3265
01:52:47,670 --> 01:52:50,950
You have the note from Michael Stojak, apparently,

3266
01:52:51,170 --> 01:52:52,230
as they do.

3267
01:52:52,370 --> 01:52:54,970
It's Michael Stojak from Kingston, Washington.

3268
01:52:56,030 --> 01:52:58,470
Home of the Kingston Ferry, three, three, three,

3269
01:52:58,530 --> 01:52:59,850
three, three, he has a note.

3270
01:53:01,350 --> 01:53:02,290
Sounds legit.

3271
01:53:02,390 --> 01:53:03,570
Turned out to be on a piece of

3272
01:53:03,570 --> 01:53:03,870
paper.

3273
01:53:04,690 --> 01:53:06,470
First and foremost, I must say, I do

3274
01:53:06,470 --> 01:53:08,970
believe I do believe no agenda is an

3275
01:53:08,970 --> 01:53:10,070
exceptional product.

3276
01:53:10,670 --> 01:53:12,270
This is without doubt.

3277
01:53:13,930 --> 01:53:16,550
I've been listening since Adam was on JRE,

3278
01:53:16,790 --> 01:53:20,250
another JRE donation in 2020, and I have

3279
01:53:20,250 --> 01:53:21,050
been streaming.

3280
01:53:22,410 --> 01:53:24,450
Sats via Podverse.

3281
01:53:26,330 --> 01:53:27,990
Sats via Podverse.

3282
01:53:28,190 --> 01:53:30,830
It all goes to our producers, goes to

3283
01:53:30,830 --> 01:53:31,170
the artists.

3284
01:53:31,610 --> 01:53:34,930
For the past year, however, since I guess

3285
01:53:34,930 --> 01:53:40,350
John didn't quite understand Bitcoin's value and since

3286
01:53:40,350 --> 01:53:43,110
this is my first fiat donation to the

3287
01:53:43,110 --> 01:53:44,630
show, please de-douche me.

3288
01:53:46,650 --> 01:53:48,030
You've been de-douched.

3289
01:53:48,390 --> 01:53:48,990
That's funny.

3290
01:53:49,630 --> 01:53:51,730
Adam, I've also been a regular listener of

3291
01:53:51,730 --> 01:53:55,710
Podcasting 2.0 since discovering this product, and

3292
01:53:55,710 --> 01:53:59,430
I'm extremely grateful to you and Dave for

3293
01:53:59,430 --> 01:54:03,290
continuing to support the decentralization of podcasting.

3294
01:54:03,650 --> 01:54:06,630
I greatly enjoy the board meeting every week.

3295
01:54:07,490 --> 01:54:10,310
P.S., thanks for working the holidays.

3296
01:54:10,890 --> 01:54:11,350
Jingles.

3297
01:54:11,650 --> 01:54:14,090
Oh, oh, I didn't realize I put it

3298
01:54:14,090 --> 01:54:14,310
here.

3299
01:54:14,550 --> 01:54:15,070
Jingles.

3300
01:54:15,230 --> 01:54:16,670
Trump, I'm going to come.

3301
01:54:16,670 --> 01:54:17,610
Uh-huh.

3302
01:54:18,010 --> 01:54:20,050
And there's something hot on my leg.

3303
01:54:20,130 --> 01:54:22,610
Not a completely original thought there with those

3304
01:54:22,610 --> 01:54:25,890
two, but many thanks, Michael Stojak.

3305
01:54:26,230 --> 01:54:26,990
I'm going to come.

3306
01:54:27,230 --> 01:54:29,950
I just felt something hot on my legs.

3307
01:54:30,070 --> 01:54:30,590
All right.

3308
01:54:31,490 --> 01:54:33,250
I like how you do the the minute

3309
01:54:33,250 --> 01:54:36,210
it's someone who's, you know, using a modern

3310
01:54:36,210 --> 01:54:37,170
podcast app.

3311
01:54:37,330 --> 01:54:38,710
It all of a sudden turns into like

3312
01:54:38,710 --> 01:54:40,850
some kind of nut job with that voice

3313
01:54:40,850 --> 01:54:41,230
you did.

3314
01:54:41,350 --> 01:54:42,690
I'm not sure why exactly.

3315
01:54:42,970 --> 01:54:45,470
That's that's that's kind of a mild version

3316
01:54:45,470 --> 01:54:46,430
of Jiminy Glick.

3317
01:54:46,670 --> 01:54:47,750
Who's Jiminy Glick?

3318
01:54:48,430 --> 01:54:49,910
Yeah, yeah.

3319
01:54:50,770 --> 01:54:52,170
You can look him up.

3320
01:54:52,250 --> 01:54:54,130
It's a Martin short character actually in his

3321
01:54:54,130 --> 01:54:55,350
own TV show for a while.

3322
01:54:55,910 --> 01:54:56,050
OK.

3323
01:54:56,350 --> 01:54:56,830
All right.

3324
01:54:57,370 --> 01:55:00,250
Hey, we go to Dame Astrid, who doesn't

3325
01:55:00,250 --> 01:55:03,010
know her grand duchess of Japan and all

3326
01:55:03,010 --> 01:55:05,210
the islands, the disputed islands in the Japan

3327
01:55:05,210 --> 01:55:05,590
Sea.

3328
01:55:05,870 --> 01:55:07,290
And she is in Japan.

3329
01:55:07,430 --> 01:55:10,470
She comes in with 27272 and says, Dear

3330
01:55:10,470 --> 01:55:12,990
John and Adam, thank you and all the

3331
01:55:12,990 --> 01:55:15,430
lovely producers who kindly reached out with get

3332
01:55:15,430 --> 01:55:17,630
well, karma, prayers and messages.

3333
01:55:17,950 --> 01:55:21,150
Yes, she had she had a nasty fall

3334
01:55:21,150 --> 01:55:24,330
and had to have the ball bearing the

3335
01:55:24,330 --> 01:55:28,590
ball of her femur replaced, which is just

3336
01:55:28,590 --> 01:55:30,890
well, she says, in fact, here it was

3337
01:55:30,890 --> 01:55:33,370
nowhere near as gruesome as you mentioned on

3338
01:55:33,370 --> 01:55:33,810
the show.

3339
01:55:33,890 --> 01:55:37,170
In true Sparta fashion, I even hobbled home

3340
01:55:37,170 --> 01:55:39,310
about 100 meters thinking the pain would go

3341
01:55:39,310 --> 01:55:39,690
away.

3342
01:55:39,690 --> 01:55:42,350
But trying to sit down was something totally

3343
01:55:42,350 --> 01:55:43,010
else.

3344
01:55:43,010 --> 01:55:45,410
In Tokyo, you get to walk right after

3345
01:55:45,410 --> 01:55:47,610
the operation before you lose muscle mass and

3346
01:55:47,610 --> 01:55:48,030
confidence.

3347
01:55:48,170 --> 01:55:49,990
So, yes, I am walking all right.

3348
01:55:50,210 --> 01:55:51,890
It's sitting down and getting up from the

3349
01:55:51,890 --> 01:55:53,130
toilet that is more tricky.

3350
01:55:54,190 --> 01:55:55,930
And I can say I've been to her

3351
01:55:55,930 --> 01:55:56,170
house.

3352
01:55:56,270 --> 01:55:57,770
She has an awesome toilet.

3353
01:55:58,290 --> 01:55:59,770
She got one of those Japanese deals.

3354
01:56:01,410 --> 01:56:03,410
You know, the can it automatically opens?

3355
01:56:03,570 --> 01:56:05,010
Yeah, it opens automatically.

3356
01:56:05,170 --> 01:56:06,930
It has the heater and it has the

3357
01:56:06,930 --> 01:56:07,470
spray.

3358
01:56:07,930 --> 01:56:09,910
I'm thinking maybe just turn the spray, the

3359
01:56:09,910 --> 01:56:10,810
spray pressure up.

3360
01:56:10,810 --> 01:56:12,730
It'll it'll boost you right or off the

3361
01:56:12,730 --> 01:56:13,170
toilet.

3362
01:56:14,770 --> 01:56:16,870
The most annoying part of it all is

3363
01:56:16,870 --> 01:56:18,230
that I didn't get to meet Jay and

3364
01:56:18,230 --> 01:56:20,730
her husband, my daughter, Nanami, who I've met,

3365
01:56:20,770 --> 01:56:22,210
who was she's fantastic.

3366
01:56:22,510 --> 01:56:24,530
Along with Yuko from the office, did the

3367
01:56:24,530 --> 01:56:25,390
honors on my behalf.

3368
01:56:25,390 --> 01:56:26,470
And I hope they had fun anyway.

3369
01:56:26,510 --> 01:56:27,590
Have you heard from Jay?

3370
01:56:27,710 --> 01:56:28,530
Did they have a good time?

3371
01:56:28,690 --> 01:56:30,590
Did not I mean, show them a good

3372
01:56:30,590 --> 01:56:30,910
time?

3373
01:56:31,890 --> 01:56:35,410
I haven't heard about anything since the meeting.

3374
01:56:35,490 --> 01:56:36,510
Oh, no, sir.

3375
01:56:36,570 --> 01:56:38,370
Mark and I truly will try and redeem

3376
01:56:38,370 --> 01:56:40,630
ourselves with a proper Tokyo meetup in the

3377
01:56:40,630 --> 01:56:41,030
new year.

3378
01:56:41,330 --> 01:56:42,050
Watch this space.

3379
01:56:42,510 --> 01:56:44,590
Cool sneakers only from now on.

3380
01:56:44,730 --> 01:56:47,030
And much love to you all from Daymaster.

3381
01:56:47,110 --> 01:56:48,010
I'm going to give her a little bit

3382
01:56:48,010 --> 01:56:49,730
of karma because we love day mastering.

3383
01:56:50,090 --> 01:56:51,570
You've got karma.

3384
01:56:53,930 --> 01:56:56,290
And here we have the Indy no agenda

3385
01:56:56,290 --> 01:56:58,830
meetup report from Greenwood, Indiana.

3386
01:56:59,610 --> 01:57:02,450
And I guess they do their little donation,

3387
01:57:02,650 --> 01:57:05,490
the raffle, raffle, raffle, which are a raffle

3388
01:57:05,490 --> 01:57:08,430
donation from the Indy no agenda monthly meetup.

3389
01:57:08,430 --> 01:57:09,990
I can't John and Adam for this.

3390
01:57:10,090 --> 01:57:12,710
And by the way, it's 255 bucks for

3391
01:57:12,710 --> 01:57:15,070
this past month's in a indie meetup.

3392
01:57:15,190 --> 01:57:16,850
I was blessed to be the lucky winner

3393
01:57:16,850 --> 01:57:19,370
of the producer credits I took.

3394
01:57:19,690 --> 01:57:20,910
Oh, OK.

3395
01:57:21,010 --> 01:57:22,290
Sir Cycle Pass.

3396
01:57:22,430 --> 01:57:22,670
Yes.

3397
01:57:23,150 --> 01:57:24,090
Jonathan Keegan.

3398
01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:29,910
I took a same day round trip flight

3399
01:57:29,910 --> 01:57:30,690
from Charlotte.

3400
01:57:30,810 --> 01:57:33,950
This is pretty dedicated to spend the afternoon

3401
01:57:33,950 --> 01:57:36,930
with fellow no agenda producers and new friends.

3402
01:57:36,930 --> 01:57:39,210
It was like a party and everyone had

3403
01:57:39,210 --> 01:57:39,690
a great time.

3404
01:57:39,790 --> 01:57:41,950
Next time I'll try to be in Indianapolis

3405
01:57:41,950 --> 01:57:45,730
longer than five hours attending a meetup, especially

3406
01:57:45,730 --> 01:57:47,070
one that isn't local.

3407
01:57:47,270 --> 01:57:48,350
Connection is protection.

3408
01:57:49,330 --> 01:57:51,250
I am overdue for a promotion at one

3409
01:57:51,250 --> 01:57:53,430
of the largest financial institutions.

3410
01:57:53,570 --> 01:57:55,150
So would you please send me some jobs,

3411
01:57:55,310 --> 01:57:55,490
Karma?

3412
01:57:55,730 --> 01:57:59,210
Additionally, I never claimed my territories when I

3413
01:57:59,210 --> 01:57:59,950
became barren.

3414
01:58:00,010 --> 01:58:03,930
And therefore, I would like to claim Seversville,

3415
01:58:03,930 --> 01:58:07,410
Stoneham and Lake James, North Carolina as my

3416
01:58:07,410 --> 01:58:07,990
territories.

3417
01:58:08,170 --> 01:58:09,530
Thank you for your cursor, psychopath.

3418
01:58:10,150 --> 01:58:12,570
Jonathan Keegan, Charlotte, North Carolina.

3419
01:58:12,850 --> 01:58:16,250
Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs.

3420
01:58:16,350 --> 01:58:17,930
Let's vote for jobs.

3421
01:58:18,530 --> 01:58:22,090
Yes, I think it's Stonehaven.

3422
01:58:22,270 --> 01:58:24,350
You said Stoneham, but I think it's Stonehaven

3423
01:58:24,350 --> 01:58:27,670
and Dame Rita comes in with a nice

3424
01:58:27,670 --> 01:58:30,230
sequential support number here.

3425
01:58:30,230 --> 01:58:31,450
Two, three, four, five, six.

3426
01:58:31,510 --> 01:58:32,610
She's in Sparks, Nevada.

3427
01:58:33,170 --> 01:58:34,490
I.T.M. John and Adam, thank you

3428
01:58:34,490 --> 01:58:35,890
for the best podcast in the universe.

3429
01:58:36,050 --> 01:58:36,770
From Dame Rita.

3430
01:58:36,990 --> 01:58:38,430
Oh, beautiful Dame Rita.

3431
01:58:38,590 --> 01:58:40,170
Associate executive producer title for you.

3432
01:58:40,210 --> 01:58:41,470
And thank you for the short message.

3433
01:58:42,750 --> 01:58:44,870
Eli, the coffee guy in Bensonville, Illinois.

3434
01:58:45,070 --> 01:58:45,670
Two twelve.

3435
01:58:45,930 --> 01:58:47,010
Oh, eight.

3436
01:58:49,030 --> 01:58:50,910
He's got a big don't read, but they

3437
01:58:50,910 --> 01:58:51,690
posted it.

3438
01:58:51,830 --> 01:58:52,710
Put it in there anyway.

3439
01:58:53,230 --> 01:58:54,170
I don't think you should.

3440
01:58:54,450 --> 01:58:55,170
You won't read.

3441
01:58:55,250 --> 01:58:56,930
The other day I received a text message

3442
01:58:56,930 --> 01:58:59,750
asking me to contact my senator, Dick Durbin,

3443
01:58:59,970 --> 01:59:02,130
and tell him to block the nomination of

3444
01:59:02,130 --> 01:59:04,150
Kash Patel as FBI director.

3445
01:59:04,650 --> 01:59:05,750
Ah, they're out to get him.

3446
01:59:07,190 --> 01:59:08,410
But Dick Durbin is not going to vote

3447
01:59:08,410 --> 01:59:09,570
for anybody anyway.

3448
01:59:10,650 --> 01:59:11,470
I was in.

3449
01:59:11,870 --> 01:59:14,470
This was intriguing, as I've never received any

3450
01:59:14,470 --> 01:59:18,430
sort of political text regarding a political nominee,

3451
01:59:18,590 --> 01:59:21,190
only the usual chip in or go vote.

3452
01:59:22,210 --> 01:59:24,130
Chip in text message.

3453
01:59:24,250 --> 01:59:26,110
I would guess the fireworks are going to

3454
01:59:26,110 --> 01:59:28,130
fly regarding many of Trump's nominees.

3455
01:59:28,810 --> 01:59:31,770
It will make for great show material if

3456
01:59:31,770 --> 01:59:36,610
it's anything close to Kavanaugh's buddies, boofing booze.

3457
01:59:37,210 --> 01:59:40,450
For those that prefer drinking their beverage, coffee

3458
01:59:40,450 --> 01:59:41,750
is a fine choice.

3459
01:59:42,890 --> 01:59:44,950
Visit gigawatt coffee roasters dot com and use

3460
01:59:44,950 --> 01:59:46,730
code ITM for 20 percent off your order.

3461
01:59:46,830 --> 01:59:47,530
Stay caffeinated.

3462
01:59:47,690 --> 01:59:49,090
Eli, the coffee guy.

3463
01:59:50,090 --> 01:59:50,270
Yeah.

3464
01:59:50,410 --> 01:59:52,630
You know, he's he's not wrong.

3465
01:59:53,530 --> 01:59:56,170
I'm still receiving political texts and it's of

3466
01:59:56,170 --> 01:59:56,910
similar nature.

3467
01:59:56,910 --> 01:59:58,350
I thought it would end and it did

3468
01:59:58,350 --> 02:00:00,870
slow down abruptly after the election, but they

3469
02:00:00,870 --> 02:00:03,470
started to come back again, which is rather

3470
02:00:03,470 --> 02:00:04,030
annoying.

3471
02:00:04,570 --> 02:00:06,410
By the way, a tip for all of

3472
02:00:06,410 --> 02:00:09,510
you gigawatt coffee roasters dot com lovers.

3473
02:00:10,190 --> 02:00:13,310
Tina uses the espresso from gigawatt for her

3474
02:00:13,310 --> 02:00:17,190
rub on the tri tips we she makes.

3475
02:00:17,750 --> 02:00:18,690
It's dynamite.

3476
02:00:18,770 --> 02:00:20,130
It really tastes good.

3477
02:00:20,950 --> 02:00:21,870
The espresso.

3478
02:00:23,290 --> 02:00:24,770
You want to do this next one, I'll

3479
02:00:24,770 --> 02:00:26,390
do the long one, because, you know, we've

3480
02:00:26,390 --> 02:00:27,030
had nothing.

3481
02:00:27,390 --> 02:00:27,590
Yeah, I do.

3482
02:00:27,750 --> 02:00:30,470
Rozier two hundred six to ten sixty.

3483
02:00:30,930 --> 02:00:33,510
He wants he's from Calumet, Michigan.

3484
02:00:33,670 --> 02:00:35,810
He came in with two ten sixty and

3485
02:00:35,810 --> 02:00:38,590
he wants a a jingle dying in the

3486
02:00:38,590 --> 02:00:38,970
dark.

3487
02:00:39,090 --> 02:00:40,010
I don't know this jingle.

3488
02:00:40,150 --> 02:00:41,170
And it's science.

3489
02:00:41,870 --> 02:00:42,990
Well, we have the it's science.

3490
02:00:43,090 --> 02:00:46,990
But do we have dying in the dark?

3491
02:00:48,190 --> 02:00:50,050
I don't think that's a jingle.

3492
02:00:50,250 --> 02:00:52,910
I think that that might have been something.

3493
02:00:53,210 --> 02:00:54,130
I don't know it.

3494
02:00:54,170 --> 02:00:55,270
I don't I don't know it.

3495
02:00:55,270 --> 02:00:56,910
But I remember something about this.

3496
02:00:57,090 --> 02:00:58,670
Freedom dies in darkness.

3497
02:00:59,410 --> 02:01:00,350
That's good enough.

3498
02:01:00,390 --> 02:01:00,990
I just did it.

3499
02:01:01,830 --> 02:01:02,350
Perfect.

3500
02:01:02,670 --> 02:01:03,730
Shut up already.

3501
02:01:04,530 --> 02:01:05,050
Science.

3502
02:01:05,830 --> 02:01:08,510
I don't have anything with darkness.

3503
02:01:08,790 --> 02:01:10,650
And people sometimes hear a clip and they.

3504
02:01:11,550 --> 02:01:14,190
And you think that that's I have.

3505
02:01:14,990 --> 02:01:16,950
Are you ready to pierce the heart of

3506
02:01:16,950 --> 02:01:17,490
darkness?

3507
02:01:18,710 --> 02:01:19,910
Yeah, I don't think so.

3508
02:01:20,010 --> 02:01:20,970
I don't know what that is.

3509
02:01:21,990 --> 02:01:25,750
Andrew, Ocala, Florida, two ten sixty.

3510
02:01:26,050 --> 02:01:28,970
I did it after two years, two hundred

3511
02:01:28,970 --> 02:01:33,250
fifty thousand miles and one Trump derangement syndrome

3512
02:01:33,250 --> 02:01:34,530
divorce notice.

3513
02:01:34,690 --> 02:01:35,850
I finally did it.

3514
02:01:36,250 --> 02:01:36,790
Knighthood.

3515
02:01:37,310 --> 02:01:39,550
Talk about the pinnacle of your of your

3516
02:01:39,550 --> 02:01:39,850
life.

3517
02:01:39,930 --> 02:01:40,510
I love it.

3518
02:01:40,970 --> 02:01:41,410
Yeah.

3519
02:01:41,650 --> 02:01:43,890
Big thanks to Eli and the amazing live

3520
02:01:43,890 --> 02:01:46,170
wire brew for keeping me focused on the

3521
02:01:46,170 --> 02:01:47,890
road and for boosting me on my road

3522
02:01:47,890 --> 02:01:48,470
to knighthood.

3523
02:01:48,890 --> 02:01:50,890
Hopefully I got this in time for tomorrow's

3524
02:01:50,890 --> 02:01:50,990
show.

3525
02:01:51,070 --> 02:01:51,430
We did.

3526
02:01:51,630 --> 02:01:53,290
We're doing it now, which is seventh, which

3527
02:01:53,290 --> 02:01:54,270
was, of course, yesterday.

3528
02:01:54,590 --> 02:01:58,370
His 55th birthday, December 7th, 1969, a day

3529
02:01:58,370 --> 02:01:59,470
that you're living in for me.

3530
02:01:59,870 --> 02:02:00,990
I told the guy I used to work

3531
02:02:00,990 --> 02:02:02,670
with my birthday was Pearl Harbor Day.

3532
02:02:02,750 --> 02:02:04,450
He said, man, how old are you?

3533
02:02:05,050 --> 02:02:06,550
Still need to still need to make a

3534
02:02:06,550 --> 02:02:07,590
meet up and look forward.

3535
02:02:08,210 --> 02:02:09,350
There was a good line.

3536
02:02:09,730 --> 02:02:12,030
And look forward to 17 more years.

3537
02:02:12,150 --> 02:02:12,830
Dub me, sir.

3538
02:02:12,970 --> 02:02:13,830
Fred Pound.

3539
02:02:14,350 --> 02:02:16,270
I used to use that name because I

3540
02:02:16,270 --> 02:02:18,350
play guitar and kind of heavy music.

3541
02:02:18,470 --> 02:02:19,810
Pounding the frets.

3542
02:02:19,970 --> 02:02:21,910
But now that I'm old and out of

3543
02:02:21,910 --> 02:02:23,810
shape, it tends to make more sense that

3544
02:02:23,810 --> 02:02:25,390
I'm just fretting over the pounds.

3545
02:02:25,530 --> 02:02:26,890
Oh, he's he's on a roll.

3546
02:02:28,050 --> 02:02:30,430
Andrew from Ocala, Florida, for the round table.

3547
02:02:30,530 --> 02:02:32,450
I'd like to request Bacardi 151 and a

3548
02:02:32,450 --> 02:02:33,990
Coke smoked brisket brisket.

3549
02:02:34,190 --> 02:02:37,350
And for dessert, Kenafa Kenafa.

3550
02:02:37,590 --> 02:02:38,310
What is Kenafa?

3551
02:02:38,470 --> 02:02:41,250
Do we know Kenafa is Kenafa?

3552
02:02:41,350 --> 02:02:44,930
Yeah, sounds like something tasty, something sticky and

3553
02:02:44,930 --> 02:02:45,210
tasty.

3554
02:02:45,330 --> 02:02:46,710
No jingles, no karma.

3555
02:02:46,710 --> 02:02:47,550
Soon to be.

3556
02:02:47,750 --> 02:02:48,730
This sounds sticky, sir.

3557
02:02:48,770 --> 02:02:49,650
Fred Pound.

3558
02:02:50,010 --> 02:02:50,490
Andrew.

3559
02:02:50,690 --> 02:02:51,670
Well, congratulations, brother.

3560
02:02:51,790 --> 02:02:52,310
I love it.

3561
02:02:52,430 --> 02:02:53,790
He's a blesser.

3562
02:02:53,950 --> 02:02:55,310
And last night for a while.

3563
02:02:55,470 --> 02:02:55,770
Yes.

3564
02:02:56,410 --> 02:02:58,110
Last on our list from Lakewood, Colorado.

3565
02:02:59,090 --> 02:03:00,890
Linda Lou Patkin, $200.

3566
02:03:01,410 --> 02:03:03,650
And she wants a jobs karma and says

3567
02:03:03,650 --> 02:03:05,990
for a resume that has that hits people

3568
02:03:05,990 --> 02:03:06,630
in the mouth.

3569
02:03:06,910 --> 02:03:08,930
Go to ImageMakersInc.com for all your executive

3570
02:03:08,930 --> 02:03:10,550
resume and job search needs.

3571
02:03:10,570 --> 02:03:13,710
That's ImageMakersInc with a K dot com and

3572
02:03:13,710 --> 02:03:16,190
work with Linda Lou, Duchess of Jobs and

3573
02:03:16,190 --> 02:03:17,370
writer of resumes.

3574
02:03:17,910 --> 02:03:21,430
Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs.

3575
02:03:21,590 --> 02:03:23,090
Let's vote for jobs.

3576
02:03:23,610 --> 02:03:24,250
Karma.

3577
02:03:25,570 --> 02:03:26,190
All right.

3578
02:03:26,450 --> 02:03:29,170
Those are the executive and associate executive producers

3579
02:03:29,170 --> 02:03:31,190
of Episode 1719.

3580
02:03:31,410 --> 02:03:33,050
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3581
02:03:33,390 --> 02:03:36,470
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3582
02:03:36,610 --> 02:03:38,970
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3583
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02:03:43,730 --> 02:03:45,690
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3595
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3596
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3597
02:04:06,790 --> 02:04:07,490
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3598
02:04:07,870 --> 02:04:09,290
We hit people in the mouth.

3599
02:04:23,610 --> 02:04:24,450
I.

3600
02:04:24,450 --> 02:04:28,670
Wanted to have some quickies here because of

3601
02:04:28,670 --> 02:04:34,210
Hotez Hotez Hotez, who who promised us a

3602
02:04:34,210 --> 02:04:36,970
new pandemic and just a vast amount of

3603
02:04:36,970 --> 02:04:39,790
viruses and death and destruction that is coming

3604
02:04:39,790 --> 02:04:43,090
upon us on a specific date, January 21st.

3605
02:04:43,150 --> 02:04:43,670
Not before.

3606
02:04:44,190 --> 02:04:44,930
Not a day before.

3607
02:04:45,070 --> 02:04:47,230
But on January 21st, that's when it's all

3608
02:04:47,230 --> 02:04:47,610
happening.

3609
02:04:48,850 --> 02:04:52,350
So I have my eyes open and something

3610
02:04:52,350 --> 02:04:54,690
bad could happen to my eyes because, man,

3611
02:04:54,750 --> 02:04:56,490
if this one gets on the loose, we're

3612
02:04:56,490 --> 02:04:57,210
all in trouble.

3613
02:04:57,570 --> 02:05:00,910
The mysterious disease that has sent alarm bells

3614
02:05:00,910 --> 02:05:02,250
ringing in Congo.

3615
02:05:02,490 --> 02:05:05,730
The mysterious disease is a flu like disease

3616
02:05:05,730 --> 02:05:08,970
that has reportedly sickened hundreds of people and

3617
02:05:08,970 --> 02:05:12,170
killed at least 79 since late October.

3618
02:05:12,530 --> 02:05:14,630
The disease emerged at a time of increased

3619
02:05:14,630 --> 02:05:18,310
influenza circulation and the culprit is likely to

3620
02:05:18,310 --> 02:05:18,930
be airborne.

3621
02:05:19,890 --> 02:05:22,710
Patient specimens are being analyzed at a national

3622
02:05:22,710 --> 02:05:23,130
lab.

3623
02:05:23,670 --> 02:05:27,590
Meanwhile, in Rwanda, health officials continue to monitor

3624
02:05:27,590 --> 02:05:30,630
an outbreak of what's being called the bleeding

3625
02:05:30,630 --> 02:05:33,590
eye virus or Marburg virus.

3626
02:05:33,590 --> 02:05:36,370
The outbreak has triggered concern about a potential

3627
02:05:36,370 --> 02:05:37,870
spread outside the country.

3628
02:05:38,350 --> 02:05:40,690
One of the typical symptoms of the disease

3629
02:05:40,690 --> 02:05:42,610
is bleeding of the eyes.

3630
02:05:42,670 --> 02:05:46,070
Yeah, Ebola, Ebola does that.

3631
02:05:46,170 --> 02:05:48,110
Yeah, it's bleeding from the eyes.

3632
02:05:48,350 --> 02:05:49,550
This would be so cool.

3633
02:05:50,410 --> 02:05:52,070
You imagine a bunch of people walking on

3634
02:05:52,070 --> 02:05:53,070
the street and all of a sudden the

3635
02:05:53,070 --> 02:05:54,670
blood starts stripping down.

3636
02:05:56,550 --> 02:05:58,670
Oh, this that would be a good one.

3637
02:05:58,750 --> 02:06:00,730
OK, that would be good, Hotez.

3638
02:06:00,730 --> 02:06:03,090
Or maybe we could just stick with the

3639
02:06:03,090 --> 02:06:04,430
same old bird flu.

3640
02:06:04,690 --> 02:06:06,930
In today's daily health, the U.S. is

3641
02:06:06,930 --> 02:06:09,770
ordering raw milk nationwide to be tested for

3642
02:06:09,770 --> 02:06:10,470
bird flu.

3643
02:06:10,590 --> 02:06:13,370
The CDC says the contagious virus has infected

3644
02:06:13,370 --> 02:06:15,350
hundreds of dairy herds this year.

3645
02:06:15,790 --> 02:06:18,610
Recently, a California dairy farm recalled all of

3646
02:06:18,610 --> 02:06:21,110
its raw milk products after the virus was

3647
02:06:21,110 --> 02:06:22,450
found in several samples.

3648
02:06:22,590 --> 02:06:24,950
The CEO of that farm told The Los

3649
02:06:24,950 --> 02:06:26,410
Angeles Times that Robert F.

3650
02:06:26,490 --> 02:06:30,330
Kennedy Jr.'s transition team encouraged him to apply

3651
02:06:30,330 --> 02:06:31,890
for a position at the Food and Drug

3652
02:06:31,890 --> 02:06:32,550
Administration.

3653
02:06:33,110 --> 02:06:35,230
Kennedy was picked by President-elect Donald Trump

3654
02:06:35,230 --> 02:06:37,770
to be health and human services secretary and

3655
02:06:37,770 --> 02:06:40,730
would oversee the FDA if he is confirmed.

3656
02:06:41,170 --> 02:06:43,510
Let's bring in NBC News medical contributor Dr.

3657
02:06:43,610 --> 02:06:44,410
Kavita Patel.

3658
02:06:45,010 --> 02:06:47,410
Dr. Patel, let's talk about what the what

3659
02:06:47,410 --> 02:06:49,330
the testing is going to do here.

3660
02:06:49,490 --> 02:06:51,070
And what are some of the dangers of

3661
02:06:51,070 --> 02:06:52,230
drinking raw milk?

3662
02:06:52,630 --> 02:06:54,890
Oh, John, did you know that drinking raw

3663
02:06:54,890 --> 02:06:55,970
milk can be dangerous?

3664
02:06:57,030 --> 02:06:59,610
I've heard this usually on NPR.

3665
02:06:59,610 --> 02:07:01,870
Oh, believe me, my next report is from

3666
02:07:01,870 --> 02:07:02,330
NPR.

3667
02:07:03,210 --> 02:07:03,610
Yeah.

3668
02:07:03,730 --> 02:07:05,410
And to be clear, there has not been

3669
02:07:05,410 --> 02:07:07,310
any cases of bird flu, which is what

3670
02:07:07,310 --> 02:07:08,890
the testing is for, as you mentioned, Kate,

3671
02:07:09,210 --> 02:07:10,830
and taking in raw milk.

3672
02:07:10,970 --> 02:07:12,010
So let's take the first one.

3673
02:07:12,230 --> 02:07:12,550
Bird flu.

3674
02:07:13,790 --> 02:07:15,730
This is a bogus report.

3675
02:07:16,290 --> 02:07:18,430
They've been making a big fuss about this.

3676
02:07:18,550 --> 02:07:20,550
And then we have no examples of it

3677
02:07:20,550 --> 02:07:21,250
ever happening.

3678
02:07:21,410 --> 02:07:23,150
No, but wait, we can still scare you.

3679
02:07:23,290 --> 02:07:24,610
Flu testing at farms.

3680
02:07:24,670 --> 02:07:26,250
This is actually something that we've been calling

3681
02:07:26,250 --> 02:07:28,710
for for a long time now, because if

3682
02:07:28,710 --> 02:07:30,650
we can detect at the farm level what's

3683
02:07:30,650 --> 02:07:32,730
happening, then we can try to monitor any

3684
02:07:32,730 --> 02:07:34,490
spread and contain it pretty quickly.

3685
02:07:34,750 --> 02:07:36,410
But you don't want, Kate, is for it

3686
02:07:36,410 --> 02:07:38,450
to not be detected, which is what's been

3687
02:07:38,450 --> 02:07:40,870
happening up until now, leading up to the

3688
02:07:40,870 --> 02:07:43,570
52 cases that we have today with three

3689
02:07:43,570 --> 02:07:45,790
recent cases where we're not quite sure about

3690
02:07:45,790 --> 02:07:46,490
the transmission.

3691
02:07:46,990 --> 02:07:49,770
And that indicates a potential spread with raw

3692
02:07:49,770 --> 02:07:50,050
milk.

3693
02:07:50,230 --> 02:07:52,750
Separately, there's a lot that can happen, including

3694
02:07:52,750 --> 02:07:55,010
dangerous bacteria, salmonella, E.

3695
02:07:55,090 --> 02:07:57,830
coli, campylobacter, listeria, to name a few.

3696
02:07:58,070 --> 02:07:59,330
Well, you can get that from a from

3697
02:07:59,330 --> 02:08:00,190
a quarter pounder.

3698
02:08:00,270 --> 02:08:02,270
And it can really lead to severe foodborne

3699
02:08:02,270 --> 02:08:06,130
illness, vomiting, diarrhea, especially for young people, elderly

3700
02:08:06,130 --> 02:08:09,570
people, pregnant women and immunocompromised people.

3701
02:08:09,810 --> 02:08:11,570
And to date, I've been scanning the literature.

3702
02:08:11,870 --> 02:08:14,530
There's no health benefit of raw milk in

3703
02:08:14,530 --> 02:08:15,670
the evidence that we know of yet.

3704
02:08:15,750 --> 02:08:17,670
There's no benefit that we know of yet.

3705
02:08:17,790 --> 02:08:19,430
Why are you doing it, you fools?

3706
02:08:19,650 --> 02:08:20,570
You can get bird flu.

3707
02:08:20,570 --> 02:08:23,890
You know, I have to conclude after listening

3708
02:08:23,890 --> 02:08:26,410
to these reports for the last I don't

3709
02:08:26,410 --> 02:08:27,390
know how many years.

3710
02:08:27,450 --> 02:08:28,210
Yeah, yeah.

3711
02:08:28,590 --> 02:08:31,170
There must be something in raw milk that

3712
02:08:31,170 --> 02:08:32,450
is really good for you.

3713
02:08:32,950 --> 02:08:34,750
That is really good for you.

3714
02:08:34,850 --> 02:08:36,790
It must be that they don't want you

3715
02:08:36,790 --> 02:08:37,530
to ingest.

3716
02:08:37,670 --> 02:08:39,090
Yes, it must be.

3717
02:08:39,390 --> 02:08:40,990
You're you're right.

3718
02:08:41,790 --> 02:08:44,390
Because they're just syoping us so hard.

3719
02:08:45,090 --> 02:08:47,150
It's they're they're going overboard.

3720
02:08:47,150 --> 02:08:51,590
So NPR went exactly where we would think

3721
02:08:51,590 --> 02:08:52,250
they would go.

3722
02:08:52,890 --> 02:08:56,290
And they spoke to researchers who were doing

3723
02:08:56,290 --> 02:08:56,730
a study.

3724
02:08:56,910 --> 02:08:59,490
It's I believe it's Colorado University of Colorado.

3725
02:08:59,890 --> 02:09:02,830
And the question is, because I mean, you

3726
02:09:02,830 --> 02:09:04,330
can't just talk about bird flu.

3727
02:09:04,430 --> 02:09:06,350
Now, you have to ask the question, what

3728
02:09:06,350 --> 02:09:09,010
would it take for the bird flu virus

3729
02:09:09,010 --> 02:09:10,530
to spark a pandemic?

3730
02:09:11,150 --> 02:09:13,570
Yeah, that's what we really want to know.

3731
02:09:13,790 --> 02:09:16,050
A bird flu infection starts when a protein

3732
02:09:16,050 --> 02:09:18,470
on the virus binds to a receptor on

3733
02:09:18,470 --> 02:09:20,050
the cell it wants to take over.

3734
02:09:20,630 --> 02:09:23,350
Luckily, the version of H5N1 spreading in cattle

3735
02:09:23,350 --> 02:09:25,870
has not evolved to target the receptors that

3736
02:09:25,870 --> 02:09:27,850
dominate upper airways in humans.

3737
02:09:28,390 --> 02:09:30,170
For that to change, there would need to

3738
02:09:30,170 --> 02:09:32,510
be mutations affecting the viral protein.

3739
02:09:32,630 --> 02:09:34,930
Oh, oh, somebody quick.

3740
02:09:35,030 --> 02:09:36,310
Make that change, please.

3741
02:09:36,550 --> 02:09:38,850
So that if someone were infected, the virus

3742
02:09:38,850 --> 02:09:39,790
could easily spread.

3743
02:09:40,090 --> 02:09:42,250
When you sneeze on someone, you have a

3744
02:09:42,250 --> 02:09:44,650
very small amount of virus that's being transferred

3745
02:09:44,650 --> 02:09:45,470
through the air.

3746
02:09:45,470 --> 02:09:48,190
That's Jim Paulson at Scripps Research Institute.

3747
02:09:48,490 --> 02:09:51,110
And in that context, it becomes extremely important

3748
02:09:51,110 --> 02:09:53,670
for the virus to have success, to be

3749
02:09:53,670 --> 02:09:56,610
able to latch on strongly to the receptors

3750
02:09:56,610 --> 02:09:57,510
that it encounters.

3751
02:09:57,830 --> 02:10:00,130
For many years, Paulson and his collaborator, Ian

3752
02:10:00,130 --> 02:10:02,870
Wilson, also at Scripps, have tracked how other

3753
02:10:02,870 --> 02:10:05,650
dangerous influenza viruses have made this leap.

3754
02:10:05,890 --> 02:10:08,050
So these are not Colorado University.

3755
02:10:08,250 --> 02:10:09,410
It's a different, different outfit.

3756
02:10:09,890 --> 02:10:11,450
But it sounds to me like these guys

3757
02:10:11,450 --> 02:10:14,150
are trying to figure out how it could

3758
02:10:14,150 --> 02:10:16,150
become a pandemic.

3759
02:10:16,790 --> 02:10:18,150
And they're in a lab doing this.

3760
02:10:18,210 --> 02:10:19,370
Does that sound familiar to you?

3761
02:10:20,090 --> 02:10:21,290
Yeah, this is what you do.

3762
02:10:21,790 --> 02:10:22,530
They wanted to know.

3763
02:10:22,670 --> 02:10:24,450
Illegally, I might add, but nobody's latest.

3764
02:10:24,990 --> 02:10:25,650
Whatever happened to hold on.

3765
02:10:25,690 --> 02:10:27,550
I said, what happened to the Geneva Convention

3766
02:10:27,550 --> 02:10:30,770
about biological warfare and all this stuff that

3767
02:10:30,770 --> 02:10:33,750
we know they've already been caught doing it.

3768
02:10:33,790 --> 02:10:35,290
There's plenty of evidence of that.

3769
02:10:35,350 --> 02:10:38,190
But nobody brings up the Geneva Convention that

3770
02:10:38,190 --> 02:10:39,910
this is a war crime and people should

3771
02:10:39,910 --> 02:10:40,890
be executed.

3772
02:10:41,510 --> 02:10:44,870
Tell other dangerous influenza viruses have made this

3773
02:10:44,870 --> 02:10:45,230
leap.

3774
02:10:45,670 --> 02:10:47,830
They wanted to know, could this happen with

3775
02:10:47,830 --> 02:10:49,310
the latest bird flu virus?

3776
02:10:49,530 --> 02:10:51,270
We looked at these mutations one at a

3777
02:10:51,270 --> 02:10:51,650
time.

3778
02:10:51,790 --> 02:10:53,930
This was in a lab using proteins, not

3779
02:10:53,930 --> 02:10:54,790
actual viruses.

3780
02:10:55,430 --> 02:10:57,030
They did a handful of experiments.

3781
02:10:57,370 --> 02:10:59,710
Most mutations did not lead the viral proteins

3782
02:10:59,710 --> 02:11:02,090
to switch from an avian type receptor to

3783
02:11:02,090 --> 02:11:02,830
a human type.

3784
02:11:03,270 --> 02:11:04,370
But there was one.

3785
02:11:04,570 --> 02:11:05,550
It was completely switched.

3786
02:11:05,950 --> 02:11:08,550
Wilson says all it took was one mutation

3787
02:11:08,550 --> 02:11:09,690
in the right spot.

3788
02:11:09,690 --> 02:11:12,150
Yeah, they were expecting from previous research.

3789
02:11:12,370 --> 02:11:13,370
It might take three.

3790
02:11:13,790 --> 02:11:16,850
That was really quite surprising and concerning because

3791
02:11:16,850 --> 02:11:18,810
it raises the odds of this happening.

3792
02:11:19,330 --> 02:11:21,830
Paulson says one mutation was enough in some

3793
02:11:21,830 --> 02:11:24,850
previous influenza pandemics to allow the virus to

3794
02:11:24,850 --> 02:11:27,750
switch to human type receptors, triggering some of

3795
02:11:27,750 --> 02:11:28,810
the early infections.

3796
02:11:29,050 --> 02:11:29,210
I'm sorry.

3797
02:11:29,310 --> 02:11:32,810
What what previous influenza pandemics have we had?

3798
02:11:35,980 --> 02:11:38,720
Well, there was one in nineteen eighteen.

3799
02:11:39,520 --> 02:11:42,740
Well, they're making it sound like, you know.

3800
02:11:43,640 --> 02:11:44,980
Well, that was something else.

3801
02:11:45,160 --> 02:11:47,540
That was the swine flu they're talking about.

3802
02:11:47,840 --> 02:11:48,700
I don't know.

3803
02:11:49,000 --> 02:11:50,460
Twenty twelve, whenever that was.

3804
02:11:50,700 --> 02:11:51,060
How about covid?

3805
02:11:51,220 --> 02:11:52,360
Maybe that was an influenza.

3806
02:11:52,380 --> 02:11:53,540
Yeah, but that's not influenza.

3807
02:11:53,920 --> 02:11:54,860
It's coronavirus.

3808
02:11:55,280 --> 02:11:55,700
It's different.

3809
02:11:56,040 --> 02:11:56,160
Yeah, sure.

3810
02:11:56,940 --> 02:11:57,820
Specifically said influenza.

3811
02:11:58,080 --> 02:11:58,280
Yeah.

3812
02:11:58,380 --> 02:11:59,560
OK, finished up.

3813
02:11:59,740 --> 02:12:01,720
That said, he's quick to point out.

3814
02:12:01,960 --> 02:12:03,620
We don't want to leave with the that

3815
02:12:03,620 --> 02:12:05,300
we think that this is going to happen

3816
02:12:05,300 --> 02:12:05,980
tomorrow.

3817
02:12:06,810 --> 02:12:07,660
Not tomorrow.

3818
02:12:08,000 --> 02:12:09,260
January 21st.

3819
02:12:09,260 --> 02:12:10,480
No, January 21st.

3820
02:12:10,580 --> 02:12:12,180
We all know the date.

3821
02:12:12,700 --> 02:12:16,980
This is the report from Colorado University, who

3822
02:12:16,980 --> 02:12:18,900
I guess have have.

3823
02:12:19,160 --> 02:12:20,160
I'm just guessing.

3824
02:12:20,480 --> 02:12:21,680
I don't know for sure.

3825
02:12:22,080 --> 02:12:24,920
Seems like maybe they have some kind of

3826
02:12:24,920 --> 02:12:27,000
deal with the Ozempic people.

3827
02:12:27,520 --> 02:12:30,000
Well, a medicine that accidentally became a miracle

3828
02:12:30,000 --> 02:12:33,080
weight loss drug may have just accidentally become

3829
02:12:33,080 --> 02:12:34,900
an anti addiction drug.

3830
02:12:34,900 --> 02:12:37,340
A study underway right now at CU Anschutz

3831
02:12:37,340 --> 02:12:40,640
Medical Campus is looking at how Ozempic can

3832
02:12:40,640 --> 02:12:41,680
curb alcohol use.

3833
02:12:41,940 --> 02:12:43,680
Now, the study won't be finished until late

3834
02:12:43,680 --> 02:12:45,600
next year, but researchers say it is showing

3835
02:12:45,600 --> 02:12:48,040
a lot of promise in reducing the desire

3836
02:12:48,040 --> 02:12:48,500
to drink.

3837
02:12:48,820 --> 02:12:50,660
So today I went out to Aurora and

3838
02:12:50,660 --> 02:12:53,060
met with Dr. Joseph Schacht, who's leading this

3839
02:12:53,060 --> 02:12:53,360
study.

3840
02:12:53,680 --> 02:12:54,020
Schacht.

3841
02:12:54,280 --> 02:12:55,980
They tell us that they are less interested

3842
02:12:55,980 --> 02:12:58,660
in drinking, that they feel less interested in

3843
02:12:58,660 --> 02:13:00,840
having another drink after having one or two

3844
02:13:01,500 --> 02:13:03,240
and that they just don't want alcohol as

3845
02:13:03,240 --> 02:13:03,500
much.

3846
02:13:04,180 --> 02:13:06,880
Now, though, this study is specifically focused on

3847
02:13:06,880 --> 02:13:07,380
alcohol.

3848
02:13:07,640 --> 02:13:09,960
Dr. Schacht says there's also growing evidence that

3849
02:13:09,960 --> 02:13:13,120
drugs like Ozempic are reducing other addictions like

3850
02:13:13,120 --> 02:13:15,000
smoking and illicit drug use.

3851
02:13:15,900 --> 02:13:17,260
We hope that this might be something like

3852
02:13:17,260 --> 02:13:19,820
a Prozac moment in which we.

3853
02:13:19,880 --> 02:13:22,220
Oh, yeah, that's what you want, brother.

3854
02:13:22,500 --> 02:13:24,180
A Prozac moment.

3855
02:13:24,320 --> 02:13:26,260
I don't think that's a good thing, Broseph.

3856
02:13:26,880 --> 02:13:27,740
A Prozac.

3857
02:13:27,820 --> 02:13:29,760
We're hoping that this is another Prozac moment.

3858
02:13:30,080 --> 02:13:31,560
Just take it for everything.

3859
02:13:32,320 --> 02:13:34,120
We hope that this might be something like

3860
02:13:34,120 --> 02:13:37,400
a Prozac moment in which we suddenly have,

3861
02:13:37,500 --> 02:13:40,880
you know, a effective and widely used drug

3862
02:13:40,880 --> 02:13:42,980
for alcohol and other addictions.

3863
02:13:43,480 --> 02:13:45,460
Now, you may recall that these drugs were

3864
02:13:45,460 --> 02:13:48,160
actually created as a treatment for diabetes, and

3865
02:13:48,160 --> 02:13:50,340
this weight loss was an unintended consequence.

3866
02:13:50,900 --> 02:13:52,520
So the CU study is still looking for

3867
02:13:52,520 --> 02:13:53,140
more participants.

3868
02:13:53,140 --> 02:13:54,680
So if you would like to stop or

3869
02:13:54,680 --> 02:13:56,800
reduce your drinking, they'd love to hear from

3870
02:13:56,800 --> 02:13:56,960
you.

3871
02:13:57,100 --> 02:14:00,320
The number is 303-724-2424.

3872
02:14:00,320 --> 02:14:04,540
Or you can email alcoholstudy at ucdenver.edu.

3873
02:14:04,700 --> 02:14:05,680
Hey, are you a lush?

3874
02:14:06,340 --> 02:14:07,340
Call these guys.

3875
02:14:07,840 --> 02:14:08,540
They can help you.

3876
02:14:09,680 --> 02:14:10,560
It's unbelievable.

3877
02:14:10,880 --> 02:14:12,080
No, it's actually very believable.

3878
02:14:12,280 --> 02:14:12,920
What am I saying?

3879
02:14:13,180 --> 02:14:14,140
They really need it.

3880
02:14:14,200 --> 02:14:15,480
They're just going for it.

3881
02:14:15,520 --> 02:14:16,660
They're swinging for the fences.

3882
02:14:16,960 --> 02:14:19,160
They want it in in in the package.

3883
02:14:19,280 --> 02:14:20,660
They want the government to pay for it.

3884
02:14:20,840 --> 02:14:21,680
Bankrupt everybody.

3885
02:14:23,460 --> 02:14:24,780
Just a moment on China.

3886
02:14:24,860 --> 02:14:25,720
Do you have anything on China?

3887
02:14:27,040 --> 02:14:27,820
Not really.

3888
02:14:28,580 --> 02:14:31,160
We were talking about the National Defense Authorization

3889
02:14:31,160 --> 02:14:33,700
Act, and you had a clip about it

3890
02:14:33,700 --> 02:14:36,020
was the Falun Gong Protection Act.

3891
02:14:36,300 --> 02:14:38,680
The following going, what are they doing in

3892
02:14:38,680 --> 02:14:38,920
there?

3893
02:14:39,160 --> 02:14:40,940
Well, producer.

3894
02:14:44,000 --> 02:14:46,580
Whose name shall not be mentioned in Thursday's

3895
02:14:46,580 --> 02:14:48,860
episode, Falun Gong was mentioned, and if they

3896
02:14:48,860 --> 02:14:51,200
operate in Taiwan, they do.

3897
02:14:51,760 --> 02:14:54,520
I lived in Taiwan from 2010 to 2013,

3898
02:14:54,620 --> 02:14:55,740
and my wife is Taiwanese.

3899
02:14:56,220 --> 02:14:59,240
She detests Falun Gong being a devout Christian,

3900
02:14:59,420 --> 02:15:00,900
as I am, and their practices.

3901
02:15:01,540 --> 02:15:04,100
The general thrust is holding banners and banging

3902
02:15:04,100 --> 02:15:06,900
drums outside popular spots in the three larger

3903
02:15:06,900 --> 02:15:12,820
cities of Taiwan, Taipei, Kaohsiung and Tainan in

3904
02:15:12,820 --> 02:15:13,460
the main squares.

3905
02:15:13,600 --> 02:15:15,960
The weird thing is his word is when

3906
02:15:15,960 --> 02:15:17,640
there's a rally of any kind, there are

3907
02:15:17,640 --> 02:15:20,220
huge numbers of supporters that come out of

3908
02:15:20,220 --> 02:15:23,260
nowhere and they hold candlelight vigils or hours

3909
02:15:23,260 --> 02:15:24,260
long sit downs.

3910
02:15:24,260 --> 02:15:27,000
All this is very Taiwanese style.

3911
02:15:27,480 --> 02:15:29,980
The Taiwanese are very genteel nation of people,

3912
02:15:29,980 --> 02:15:30,740
except in Parliament.

3913
02:15:31,200 --> 02:15:33,620
And the Falun Gong signage is just allowed

3914
02:15:33,620 --> 02:15:36,000
to happen as it is regarded as a

3915
02:15:36,000 --> 02:15:36,880
mild nuisance.

3916
02:15:37,000 --> 02:15:39,080
But the numbers at the events are, I

3917
02:15:39,080 --> 02:15:42,300
imagine, mainlanders coming to bolster the numbers.

3918
02:15:42,400 --> 02:15:44,500
The local government know who they are and

3919
02:15:44,500 --> 02:15:45,440
they just let it happen.

3920
02:15:45,560 --> 02:15:46,720
But then he goes on and he has

3921
02:15:46,720 --> 02:15:49,320
a revelation on to Lino.

3922
02:15:49,960 --> 02:15:52,000
We discuss Lino.

3923
02:15:52,580 --> 02:15:53,540
You remember this?

3924
02:15:54,100 --> 02:15:54,240
No.

3925
02:15:54,500 --> 02:15:55,880
Lesbian in name only.

3926
02:15:57,000 --> 02:15:58,040
Oh, Lino.

3927
02:15:58,280 --> 02:16:01,620
He says Lino is rife in Taiwan.

3928
02:16:03,020 --> 02:16:05,100
My wife used to work as one of

3929
02:16:05,100 --> 02:16:07,860
the directors of Ogilvy Taiwan and was a

3930
02:16:07,860 --> 02:16:10,280
big cheese, shall we say, in the advertising

3931
02:16:10,280 --> 02:16:13,280
industry before she saw Jesus and smiled a

3932
02:16:13,280 --> 02:16:13,680
lot more.

3933
02:16:14,220 --> 02:16:15,960
Nearly all her friends in the company were

3934
02:16:15,960 --> 02:16:17,100
gay, with a few exceptions.

3935
02:16:17,220 --> 02:16:19,320
The thing is, the girls were only wanting

3936
02:16:19,320 --> 02:16:22,720
to have partners, not physical relationships, regardless as

3937
02:16:22,720 --> 02:16:25,580
to the dykes they were with who wanted

3938
02:16:25,580 --> 02:16:25,960
more.

3939
02:16:26,680 --> 02:16:29,520
The two that stand out are JP Tower

3940
02:16:29,520 --> 02:16:32,219
and Bumper, Asian nicknames, as they all have

3941
02:16:32,219 --> 02:16:33,340
girlfriends for years.

3942
02:16:33,680 --> 02:16:35,799
We're both shunned men and a true mental

3943
02:16:35,799 --> 02:16:37,320
and physical gay relationship.

3944
02:16:37,500 --> 02:16:38,740
This is everywhere.

3945
02:16:38,940 --> 02:16:40,080
All caps in Taiwan.

3946
02:16:40,799 --> 02:16:41,940
How about that?

3947
02:16:43,200 --> 02:16:44,540
What is interesting?

3948
02:16:45,219 --> 02:16:47,280
Yes, I say all this in Taiwan because

3949
02:16:47,280 --> 02:16:50,059
a lot of the men are homogenous fembots

3950
02:16:50,059 --> 02:16:53,600
who actively seek darkness and solitude after leaving

3951
02:16:53,600 --> 02:16:55,379
school with a lot of kids staying home

3952
02:16:55,379 --> 02:16:58,580
for a long time and essentially disappointing a

3953
02:16:58,580 --> 02:17:00,020
lot of parents and have little to do

3954
02:17:00,020 --> 02:17:00,559
with girls.

3955
02:17:00,680 --> 02:17:02,580
And the girls are actively turned off by

3956
02:17:02,580 --> 02:17:05,320
the female ridden looks and behaviors of the

3957
02:17:05,320 --> 02:17:05,660
boys.

3958
02:17:06,320 --> 02:17:08,540
Gaming and digital brain rot has a lot

3959
02:17:08,540 --> 02:17:09,260
to do with this.

3960
02:17:09,700 --> 02:17:11,780
Trans Maoism is a real thing here.

3961
02:17:13,440 --> 02:17:15,020
That's our future, I guess.

3962
02:17:15,900 --> 02:17:16,459
Yikes.

3963
02:17:16,680 --> 02:17:17,799
What a report.

3964
02:17:18,639 --> 02:17:19,080
Who?

3965
02:17:19,240 --> 02:17:21,080
I did not expect the lino part of

3966
02:17:21,080 --> 02:17:21,540
the report.

3967
02:17:21,680 --> 02:17:23,500
That's what kind of surprised me.

3968
02:17:23,840 --> 02:17:26,760
Like, man, that's pretty crazy.

3969
02:17:27,100 --> 02:17:29,799
Well, the Chinese, the mainlanders, they they're I

3970
02:17:29,799 --> 02:17:31,740
think they're somewhat aware of what's going on,

3971
02:17:31,760 --> 02:17:34,320
like that's where they're putting the the yeah,

3972
02:17:34,440 --> 02:17:36,400
the the the kibosh on this stuff.

3973
02:17:36,740 --> 02:17:38,139
That's the word I'm looking for.

3974
02:17:38,180 --> 02:17:41,200
They're putting the kibosh on this bull crap.

3975
02:17:41,320 --> 02:17:41,980
Stop it.

3976
02:17:42,500 --> 02:17:43,900
But I don't know that you can.

3977
02:17:44,020 --> 02:17:44,740
That's the thing.

3978
02:17:44,740 --> 02:17:47,940
It's like, you know, the computer revolution, the

3979
02:17:49,840 --> 02:17:53,540
personal computer itself, the phone revolution, the pocket

3980
02:17:54,100 --> 02:17:55,879
computer, which is what it amounts to.

3981
02:17:56,080 --> 02:17:57,959
Yeah, all that is part of it.

3982
02:17:58,680 --> 02:17:59,540
Interesting, right?

3983
02:18:00,200 --> 02:18:00,680
Yeah.

3984
02:18:01,299 --> 02:18:02,360
More than interesting.

3985
02:18:03,520 --> 02:18:04,840
All right, well, let's see what we got

3986
02:18:04,840 --> 02:18:05,639
here from my list.

3987
02:18:05,719 --> 02:18:09,500
OK, we have the the stuff going on

3988
02:18:09,500 --> 02:18:12,379
in the Supreme Court with the trans.

3989
02:18:12,660 --> 02:18:14,219
Yes, yes, this is.

3990
02:18:14,219 --> 02:18:15,940
Now, I had a series of clips on

3991
02:18:15,940 --> 02:18:18,160
the last show, but I just boiled down.

3992
02:18:18,260 --> 02:18:20,139
I think it turned out that PBS had

3993
02:18:20,139 --> 02:18:20,840
a report on this.

3994
02:18:20,920 --> 02:18:23,100
But I thought the NPR report looking back

3995
02:18:23,100 --> 02:18:23,920
on it is better.

3996
02:18:24,360 --> 02:18:26,500
And I think it'll keep people can catch

3997
02:18:26,500 --> 02:18:27,059
up quicker.

3998
02:18:27,440 --> 02:18:29,540
And it's not a bad report, even though

3999
02:18:29,540 --> 02:18:32,000
it's slanted, obviously, as it would be.

4000
02:18:32,059 --> 02:18:33,459
But you can take the slant out of

4001
02:18:33,459 --> 02:18:33,559
it.

4002
02:18:33,600 --> 02:18:34,020
It's not bad.

4003
02:18:34,959 --> 02:18:38,840
SVP trans NPR at the Supreme Court today,

4004
02:18:39,020 --> 02:18:43,200
the conservative majority seemed very likely to uphold

4005
02:18:43,200 --> 02:18:46,600
Tennessee's ban on gender affirming care for minors

4006
02:18:46,600 --> 02:18:48,160
in the last few years.

4007
02:18:48,240 --> 02:18:51,420
Fully half of states have adopted similar bans.

4008
02:18:51,920 --> 02:18:54,400
Today's case provided the first test of those

4009
02:18:54,400 --> 02:18:58,120
laws, as NPR legal affairs correspondent Nina Totenberg

4010
02:18:58,120 --> 02:18:58,719
reports.

4011
02:18:59,440 --> 02:19:02,740
Three Tennessee families and the Biden administration are

4012
02:19:02,740 --> 02:19:05,700
challenging the bans on puberty blockers and medications

4013
02:19:05,700 --> 02:19:08,320
for kids who say their gender doesn't align

4014
02:19:08,320 --> 02:19:09,600
with their sex at birth.

4015
02:19:09,600 --> 02:19:13,379
Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar led off today, telling

4016
02:19:13,379 --> 02:19:16,480
the justices that the state cannot eliminate medically

4017
02:19:16,480 --> 02:19:20,440
approved treatments for gender dysphoria while allowing the

4018
02:19:20,440 --> 02:19:23,340
same medical treatments for minors suffering from other

4019
02:19:23,340 --> 02:19:27,320
conditions from early onset puberty to endometriosis.

4020
02:19:27,799 --> 02:19:30,000
The state law, she said, singles out one

4021
02:19:30,000 --> 02:19:31,740
particular use in its ban.

4022
02:19:32,100 --> 02:19:34,020
It doesn't matter what parents decide is best

4023
02:19:34,020 --> 02:19:34,700
for their children.

4024
02:19:35,379 --> 02:19:37,340
It doesn't matter what patients would choose for

4025
02:19:37,340 --> 02:19:37,900
themselves.

4026
02:19:38,320 --> 02:19:40,600
And it doesn't matter if doctors believe this

4027
02:19:40,600 --> 02:19:42,980
treatment is essential for individual patients.

4028
02:19:43,480 --> 02:19:46,139
She got immediate pushback from the court's conservatives.

4029
02:19:46,559 --> 02:19:49,920
Justice Thomas, isn't this simply a case of

4030
02:19:49,920 --> 02:19:53,780
age classification when it comes to these treatments

4031
02:19:53,780 --> 02:19:55,460
as opposed to a ban?

4032
02:19:55,640 --> 02:19:57,840
Chief Justice Roberts followed up by noting that

4033
02:19:57,840 --> 02:20:00,880
this case is heavily involved with medical judgments

4034
02:20:00,880 --> 02:20:03,720
and different studies conducted outside the U.S.

4035
02:20:03,720 --> 02:20:06,180
Doesn't that make a stronger case for us

4036
02:20:06,180 --> 02:20:09,100
to leave those determinations to the legislative bodies

4037
02:20:09,100 --> 02:20:11,500
rather than try to determine them for ourselves?

4038
02:20:12,180 --> 02:20:13,500
Do they come to a conclusion?

4039
02:20:13,780 --> 02:20:17,000
Because the the constitutional lawyer examined this case

4040
02:20:17,000 --> 02:20:17,460
for us.

4041
02:20:17,540 --> 02:20:20,120
You want to hear his short summary or

4042
02:20:20,120 --> 02:20:21,020
do you want to play the clips?

4043
02:20:21,180 --> 02:20:23,720
The conclusion is in July of next year.

4044
02:20:24,700 --> 02:20:30,840
Well, the the the constitutional lawyer says the

4045
02:20:30,840 --> 02:20:32,740
there is there is a report that that

4046
02:20:32,740 --> 02:20:35,060
he sent me concludes that the justices are

4047
02:20:35,060 --> 02:20:38,240
leaning towards not disturbing the ban, which would

4048
02:20:38,240 --> 02:20:40,900
be consistent with the court's general approach of

4049
02:20:40,900 --> 02:20:43,240
taming our sprawling federal government.

4050
02:20:43,540 --> 02:20:45,960
And he believes states rights may be coming

4051
02:20:45,960 --> 02:20:46,940
off the ventilator.

4052
02:20:49,570 --> 02:20:52,230
Well, well, it's not in this report, but

4053
02:20:52,230 --> 02:20:54,790
the best report I've heard is from some

4054
02:20:54,790 --> 02:20:57,310
laywoman who has a podcast.

4055
02:20:57,450 --> 02:20:58,070
Oh, of course.

4056
02:20:58,070 --> 02:21:01,410
And she brought out the fact that it's

4057
02:21:01,410 --> 02:21:02,690
the immutability.

4058
02:21:04,790 --> 02:21:07,630
Angle and the way she explained things to

4059
02:21:07,630 --> 02:21:10,470
for this law, the law is based on.

4060
02:21:12,510 --> 02:21:15,210
Discrimination, male, female, trans discrimination.

4061
02:21:15,930 --> 02:21:18,870
But because because one of the justices pulled

4062
02:21:18,870 --> 02:21:21,190
a stunt and said, well, you think this,

4063
02:21:21,250 --> 02:21:22,650
you think that you think this, you think

4064
02:21:22,650 --> 02:21:22,930
that.

4065
02:21:23,330 --> 02:21:24,970
And then brought up the fact that.

4066
02:21:24,970 --> 02:21:25,890
Was that Jackson?

4067
02:21:26,370 --> 02:21:27,930
I bet it was content Katanji.

4068
02:21:28,530 --> 02:21:31,710
It was a conservative who brought up the

4069
02:21:31,710 --> 02:21:34,030
no Katanji's off the rail.

4070
02:21:34,150 --> 02:21:35,110
She doesn't know what she's doing.

4071
02:21:37,390 --> 02:21:39,430
I think they're going to have to knuckle

4072
02:21:39,430 --> 02:21:42,090
under some of this because it there can

4073
02:21:42,090 --> 02:21:45,850
be no discrimination if something's not immutable.

4074
02:21:46,010 --> 02:21:48,830
And it turns out that by tricking them

4075
02:21:48,830 --> 02:21:51,550
into accepting the fact that somebody says they're

4076
02:21:51,550 --> 02:21:53,230
trans, oh, I'm trans.

4077
02:21:53,230 --> 02:21:54,550
I have to I'm a boy.

4078
02:21:54,690 --> 02:21:55,650
It has to be a girl.

4079
02:21:56,330 --> 02:21:58,210
Do you ever switch back?

4080
02:21:58,610 --> 02:22:00,330
And if there's any examples of that, then

4081
02:22:00,330 --> 02:22:03,010
the immutability thing is off the window.

4082
02:22:03,210 --> 02:22:04,910
No, if you can switch back, then this

4083
02:22:04,910 --> 02:22:05,730
is bullcrap.

4084
02:22:06,910 --> 02:22:09,090
Oh, and so that's the kind of be

4085
02:22:09,090 --> 02:22:10,710
the thing, the crux of the matter.

4086
02:22:10,710 --> 02:22:13,030
But let's listen to these because this is

4087
02:22:13,030 --> 02:22:16,270
still interesting besides kind of ignoring that fact.

4088
02:22:16,730 --> 02:22:19,190
Justice Alito reeled off a list of studies

4089
02:22:19,190 --> 02:22:22,330
from Sweden, Finland and the UK studies that

4090
02:22:22,330 --> 02:22:24,910
he said showed damaging effects of these treatments

4091
02:22:24,910 --> 02:22:25,770
for minors.

4092
02:22:26,370 --> 02:22:28,170
In light of that, he asked, would you

4093
02:22:28,170 --> 02:22:29,710
like to modify your claims?

4094
02:22:30,330 --> 02:22:33,310
No, replied Prelogger, noting that the medical evidence

4095
02:22:33,310 --> 02:22:37,130
overall indicates these treatments can be medically necessary

4096
02:22:37,130 --> 02:22:38,410
for some minors.

4097
02:22:39,090 --> 02:22:41,430
Pressed by Justice Kagan about whether all state

4098
02:22:41,430 --> 02:22:43,270
laws would have to be struck down under

4099
02:22:43,270 --> 02:22:45,510
her theory, Prelogger said no.

4100
02:22:45,710 --> 02:22:47,430
We do think there is a real space

4101
02:22:47,430 --> 02:22:48,730
for states to regulate here.

4102
02:22:48,730 --> 02:22:50,290
And I point to the example of West

4103
02:22:50,290 --> 02:22:50,670
Virginia.

4104
02:22:51,130 --> 02:22:53,050
West Virginia was thinking about a total ban

4105
02:22:53,050 --> 02:22:54,090
like this one.

4106
02:22:54,190 --> 02:22:56,310
But then the Senate majority leader, who's a

4107
02:22:56,310 --> 02:22:59,030
doctor, looked at the underlying studies and the

4108
02:22:59,030 --> 02:23:01,590
West Virginia legislature changed course and imposed a

4109
02:23:01,590 --> 02:23:03,670
set of guardrails that are far more precisely

4110
02:23:03,670 --> 02:23:06,210
tailored to concerns surrounding the delivery of this

4111
02:23:06,210 --> 02:23:06,530
care.

4112
02:23:06,850 --> 02:23:09,570
Justice Kavanaugh noted that some minors who undergo

4113
02:23:09,570 --> 02:23:12,290
these transition treatments later have regrets.

4114
02:23:12,470 --> 02:23:15,050
And then there was this from Kavanaugh who

4115
02:23:15,050 --> 02:23:16,950
coached his daughter's basketball team.

4116
02:23:16,950 --> 02:23:18,910
If you prevail here, what would that mean

4117
02:23:18,910 --> 02:23:20,670
for women's and girls sports?

4118
02:23:21,010 --> 02:23:23,710
Those questions are different, said Prelogger, because they

4119
02:23:23,710 --> 02:23:26,050
pit the rights of trans kids to participate

4120
02:23:26,050 --> 02:23:29,370
in sports against the rights of cisgender kids

4121
02:23:29,370 --> 02:23:32,210
concerned that they're being disadvantaged on the field.

4122
02:23:32,830 --> 02:23:33,730
Oh, man.

4123
02:23:34,630 --> 02:23:35,070
Yes.

4124
02:23:35,390 --> 02:23:37,370
OK, it was Kavanaugh who brought up the

4125
02:23:37,370 --> 02:23:38,390
immutability thing.

4126
02:23:38,490 --> 02:23:40,310
They didn't cover it in this report because

4127
02:23:40,310 --> 02:23:41,050
they missed it.

4128
02:23:41,170 --> 02:23:41,370
Yeah.

4129
02:23:41,770 --> 02:23:44,470
Well, again, NPR missed that little ditty, did

4130
02:23:44,470 --> 02:23:44,710
they?

4131
02:23:45,370 --> 02:23:46,030
Yeah, they did.

4132
02:23:46,030 --> 02:23:47,190
I think there's one more clip.

4133
02:23:47,350 --> 02:23:47,450
Yeah.

4134
02:23:47,610 --> 02:23:50,870
Both Kavanaugh and Justice Barrett asked about parental

4135
02:23:50,870 --> 02:23:53,790
rights to determine their kids' medical treatments and

4136
02:23:53,790 --> 02:23:56,290
noted that even if the trans kids lose

4137
02:23:56,290 --> 02:23:58,870
this case, the parents can come back with

4138
02:23:58,870 --> 02:24:01,530
a fresh challenge based on parental rights.

4139
02:24:02,130 --> 02:24:04,310
Next up to the lectern and representing the

4140
02:24:04,310 --> 02:24:07,250
trans kids was Chase Strangio, the first openly

4141
02:24:07,250 --> 02:24:09,330
trans lawyer to argue before the court.

4142
02:24:09,770 --> 02:24:12,170
He, too, faced questions about whether these are

4143
02:24:12,170 --> 02:24:14,030
policy or legal questions.

4144
02:24:14,030 --> 02:24:16,170
Again, here's Chief Justice Roberts.

4145
02:24:16,590 --> 02:24:18,910
My understanding is that the Constitution leaves that

4146
02:24:18,910 --> 02:24:22,250
question to the people's representatives rather than to

4147
02:24:22,250 --> 02:24:24,770
nine people, none of whom is a doctor.

4148
02:24:25,030 --> 02:24:27,670
Here, what they've done is impose a blunderbuss

4149
02:24:27,670 --> 02:24:31,730
ban, overriding the very careful judgment of parents

4150
02:24:31,730 --> 02:24:33,530
who love and care for their children and

4151
02:24:33,530 --> 02:24:34,990
the doctors who have recommended the treatment.

4152
02:24:35,310 --> 02:24:38,490
Countering that argument was Tennessee Solicitor General Matthew

4153
02:24:38,490 --> 02:24:38,970
Rice.

4154
02:24:39,170 --> 02:24:41,550
The law allows the use of drugs and

4155
02:24:41,550 --> 02:24:44,490
surgeries for some medical purposes, but not for

4156
02:24:44,490 --> 02:24:44,910
others.

4157
02:24:45,250 --> 02:24:46,810
Thus, he maintained the law is based on

4158
02:24:46,810 --> 02:24:48,150
purpose, not sex.

4159
02:24:48,370 --> 02:24:51,150
But Justice Kagan wasn't buying that argument at

4160
02:24:51,150 --> 02:24:51,450
all.

4161
02:24:51,730 --> 02:24:53,810
I mean, the prohibited purpose here is treating

4162
02:24:53,810 --> 02:24:54,810
gender dysphoria.

4163
02:24:55,070 --> 02:24:58,090
The whole thing is imbued with sex.

4164
02:24:58,450 --> 02:25:00,090
It's a dodge to say that this is

4165
02:25:00,090 --> 02:25:01,170
not based on sex.

4166
02:25:01,450 --> 02:25:04,250
Justice Sotomayor followed up asking whether the state

4167
02:25:04,250 --> 02:25:06,970
could similarly block treatments for trans adults.

4168
02:25:07,470 --> 02:25:08,890
Rice said, yes, it could.

4169
02:25:09,330 --> 02:25:12,030
All this prompted this comment from Justice Jackson.

4170
02:25:12,030 --> 02:25:15,290
I'm worried that we're undermining the foundations of

4171
02:25:15,290 --> 02:25:18,010
some of our bedrock equal protection cases.

4172
02:25:18,390 --> 02:25:21,550
Justice Gorsuch, usually quick with questions, had none

4173
02:25:21,550 --> 02:25:22,030
today.

4174
02:25:22,530 --> 02:25:24,590
He's the author of the court's only decision

4175
02:25:24,590 --> 02:25:27,230
on trans rights and a decision that favored

4176
02:25:27,230 --> 02:25:29,570
those rights in the context of employment.

4177
02:25:30,150 --> 02:25:32,410
Nina Totenberg, NPR News, Washington.

4178
02:25:33,290 --> 02:25:37,610
I'm guessing the lawsuit didn't come up in

4179
02:25:37,610 --> 02:25:39,370
this hearing.

4180
02:25:39,370 --> 02:25:43,710
The lawsuit against Dr. Joanna Olson Kennedy, known

4181
02:25:43,710 --> 02:25:46,610
as America's best practitioner of youth gender medicine,

4182
02:25:47,370 --> 02:25:50,010
who is being sued for medical negligence by

4183
02:25:50,010 --> 02:25:52,130
a former patient, young girl who underwent a

4184
02:25:52,130 --> 02:25:53,010
gender transition.

4185
02:25:53,950 --> 02:25:56,150
And now feels deeply betrayed.

4186
02:25:58,880 --> 02:26:00,660
Well, it was only brought up in the

4187
02:26:00,660 --> 02:26:03,740
sense of the immutability question where people can

4188
02:26:03,740 --> 02:26:04,440
switch back.

4189
02:26:06,060 --> 02:26:08,280
Well, your prediction is coming true, though.

4190
02:26:08,360 --> 02:26:09,880
I mean, they're suing the doctors.

4191
02:26:09,880 --> 02:26:10,400
It's happening.

4192
02:26:10,700 --> 02:26:12,520
No, my prediction is they're going to shoot

4193
02:26:12,520 --> 02:26:13,740
the doctors eventually.

4194
02:26:14,760 --> 02:26:17,560
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

4195
02:26:17,640 --> 02:26:19,480
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

4196
02:26:19,520 --> 02:26:21,040
no, no, no, no, no.

4197
02:26:21,040 --> 02:26:21,840
There you go.

4198
02:26:24,940 --> 02:26:25,380
OK.

4199
02:26:28,380 --> 02:26:30,080
Well, we got a lot of things.

4200
02:26:30,220 --> 02:26:32,760
Well, I have something very important, which I

4201
02:26:32,760 --> 02:26:33,800
would have hoped you would have had.

4202
02:26:34,060 --> 02:26:35,560
Do you have any tick tock clips today?

4203
02:26:36,920 --> 02:26:39,060
No, I had a couple I was thinking

4204
02:26:39,060 --> 02:26:39,400
about.

4205
02:26:39,400 --> 02:26:43,260
But they were usually just whining guys like

4206
02:26:43,260 --> 02:26:44,440
the women tick tock.

4207
02:26:44,440 --> 02:26:46,500
I was going to set you up because,

4208
02:26:46,760 --> 02:26:48,460
you know, it's coming down to me up

4209
02:26:48,460 --> 02:26:49,260
at the next show.

4210
02:26:49,260 --> 02:26:50,520
I have some tick tock clips.

4211
02:26:50,880 --> 02:26:53,620
But the news is now tick tock has

4212
02:26:53,620 --> 02:26:55,820
lost its bid to strike down a law

4213
02:26:55,820 --> 02:26:57,360
that would lead to a ban of the

4214
02:26:57,360 --> 02:26:58,820
app in the United States.

4215
02:26:59,280 --> 02:27:01,480
Tick tock argued that the law, which requires

4216
02:27:01,480 --> 02:27:04,560
the app's parent company ByteDance to sell to

4217
02:27:04,560 --> 02:27:07,600
a non-Chinese owner, is unconstitutional.

4218
02:27:07,600 --> 02:27:09,940
A U.S. appeals court upheld the law

4219
02:27:09,940 --> 02:27:11,280
in a ruling released today.

4220
02:27:11,760 --> 02:27:15,000
ByteDance now has until January 19th to sell

4221
02:27:15,000 --> 02:27:16,500
the app or face a ban.

4222
02:27:16,860 --> 02:27:18,820
The law was passed over concerns that the

4223
02:27:18,820 --> 02:27:21,180
app poses a national security risk.

4224
02:27:22,360 --> 02:27:24,920
If I were them, I'd get out of

4225
02:27:24,920 --> 02:27:27,060
there, sell because we've got the pandemic coming

4226
02:27:27,060 --> 02:27:27,860
two days later.

4227
02:27:29,520 --> 02:27:31,640
Yeah, you should sell and get out of

4228
02:27:31,640 --> 02:27:32,000
town.

4229
02:27:33,620 --> 02:27:34,060
Hmm.

4230
02:27:34,820 --> 02:27:35,820
I don't know how this is going to

4231
02:27:35,820 --> 02:27:37,520
end up, but the tick tockers have been

4232
02:27:37,520 --> 02:27:41,100
blamed for the a couple of the screwball

4233
02:27:41,100 --> 02:27:44,320
elections around the world, supposedly the Russians, the

4234
02:27:44,320 --> 02:27:47,760
Russians, those Russians are infiltrated tick tock.

4235
02:27:47,800 --> 02:27:49,180
And the next thing you know, they're telling

4236
02:27:49,180 --> 02:27:50,900
people how to vote and they're doing it.

4237
02:27:50,920 --> 02:27:52,880
They're following whatever it says on tick tock.

4238
02:27:52,920 --> 02:27:53,320
Yes.

4239
02:27:53,420 --> 02:27:55,080
I don't buy any of this.

4240
02:27:55,280 --> 02:27:57,420
I have I have a clip.

4241
02:27:58,100 --> 02:27:59,160
Yes, here it is.

4242
02:27:59,220 --> 02:28:01,620
That's referring to Romania, of course.

4243
02:28:02,360 --> 02:28:04,540
Romania's current president was due to end his

4244
02:28:04,540 --> 02:28:07,740
term later this month, but now Klaus Yohannes,

4245
02:28:07,980 --> 02:28:10,400
due to an unprecedented decision by the country's

4246
02:28:10,400 --> 02:28:13,000
constitutional court, says he will be staying in

4247
02:28:13,000 --> 02:28:14,860
the job until a new president is elected

4248
02:28:14,860 --> 02:28:17,860
and says that's because of Russian interference.

4249
02:28:18,600 --> 02:28:22,860
The candidate illegally benefited from massive electoral promotion

4250
02:28:22,860 --> 02:28:25,640
during the two days when, according to the

4251
02:28:25,640 --> 02:28:29,140
law, this is prohibited the Saturday before the

4252
02:28:29,140 --> 02:28:31,660
election and even on election day.

4253
02:28:32,000 --> 02:28:34,780
Romania is in crisis after the constitutional court

4254
02:28:34,780 --> 02:28:37,120
annulled the first round of the presidential election

4255
02:28:37,120 --> 02:28:38,880
held on the 24th of November.

4256
02:28:39,580 --> 02:28:43,120
That came after Yohannes declassified intelligence, alleging Russia

4257
02:28:43,120 --> 02:28:46,360
ran a coordinated online campaign to promote the

4258
02:28:46,360 --> 02:28:48,660
far right outsider Kalin Georgescu.

4259
02:28:49,280 --> 02:28:51,380
Georgescu won the vote in a shock result

4260
02:28:51,380 --> 02:28:53,560
after he scored only single digit numbers in

4261
02:28:53,560 --> 02:28:54,680
opinion polls beforehand.

4262
02:28:55,220 --> 02:28:56,680
He would have been going into a second

4263
02:28:56,680 --> 02:28:57,840
round runoff this Sunday.

4264
02:28:58,300 --> 02:29:00,120
He says he broke no campaign rules.

4265
02:29:00,740 --> 02:29:05,580
It's absolutely clean, free and more than that

4266
02:29:05,580 --> 02:29:09,800
was based on the sovereignty of the people.

4267
02:29:10,260 --> 02:29:12,940
Georgescu declared zero spending on his campaign, which

4268
02:29:12,940 --> 02:29:14,320
took place on social media.

4269
02:29:14,840 --> 02:29:16,760
One of his policy platforms was to end

4270
02:29:16,760 --> 02:29:17,840
all support for Ukraine.

4271
02:29:18,400 --> 02:29:20,220
He was due to face a centrist pro

4272
02:29:20,220 --> 02:29:21,620
-EU candidate on Sunday.

4273
02:29:22,320 --> 02:29:23,620
A new date will now be set to

4274
02:29:23,620 --> 02:29:24,900
rerun the vote from scratch.

4275
02:29:25,300 --> 02:29:26,500
Yeah, I love those countries.

4276
02:29:27,140 --> 02:29:29,560
The European Union voted, didn't vote the way

4277
02:29:29,560 --> 02:29:30,080
we wanted.

4278
02:29:30,080 --> 02:29:31,040
You voted wrong.

4279
02:29:31,140 --> 02:29:32,460
We're nullifying it.

4280
02:29:32,560 --> 02:29:34,720
So why would Russia want a bunch of

4281
02:29:34,720 --> 02:29:36,840
right wingers to take over some place?

4282
02:29:36,900 --> 02:29:38,300
I mean, there's a communist country.

4283
02:29:39,120 --> 02:29:40,960
I mean, it doesn't make any sense from

4284
02:29:40,960 --> 02:29:43,140
that perspective if they don't want to be

4285
02:29:43,140 --> 02:29:43,580
in Ukraine.

4286
02:29:43,700 --> 02:29:44,480
That's another story.

4287
02:29:44,580 --> 02:29:45,480
Yeah, I guess it would be a good

4288
02:29:45,480 --> 02:29:45,740
idea.

4289
02:29:45,800 --> 02:29:47,680
But what are they doing about what is

4290
02:29:47,680 --> 02:29:48,200
Romania?

4291
02:29:48,280 --> 02:29:49,640
Big player in Ukraine.

4292
02:29:50,340 --> 02:29:50,960
Come on.

4293
02:29:52,000 --> 02:29:54,080
And Georgia, of course, is still on the

4294
02:29:54,080 --> 02:29:54,480
block.

4295
02:29:55,380 --> 02:29:58,500
People getting hosed down there for their own

4296
02:29:58,500 --> 02:29:59,420
little mini Maidan.

4297
02:30:00,400 --> 02:30:01,920
We don't know how that's going to turn

4298
02:30:01,920 --> 02:30:02,220
out.

4299
02:30:05,370 --> 02:30:07,610
I'm getting a little sick of all these

4300
02:30:07,610 --> 02:30:09,390
Netflix documentaries.

4301
02:30:09,990 --> 02:30:11,810
You know, they're bringing all this stuff back.

4302
02:30:11,930 --> 02:30:13,130
And I guess it's working.

4303
02:30:13,870 --> 02:30:14,210
Which one?

4304
02:30:14,350 --> 02:30:16,730
We have the Menendez brothers.

4305
02:30:17,230 --> 02:30:17,690
Yeah.

4306
02:30:17,990 --> 02:30:19,730
And then JonBenet Ramsey.

4307
02:30:19,990 --> 02:30:21,590
Now they're bringing that one back.

4308
02:30:23,010 --> 02:30:25,750
It's like it's like you have a Netflix

4309
02:30:25,750 --> 02:30:27,410
documentary and you and I could do it.

4310
02:30:27,490 --> 02:30:29,190
I mean, we could do a Netflix documentary

4311
02:30:29,190 --> 02:30:30,850
on Son of Sam, whatever.

4312
02:30:32,510 --> 02:30:34,410
Zodiac killer, the Zodiac killer.

4313
02:30:34,570 --> 02:30:35,930
And we should find another one.

4314
02:30:35,970 --> 02:30:38,130
You know, we had the Central Park five,

4315
02:30:38,450 --> 02:30:38,990
all this stuff.

4316
02:30:39,090 --> 02:30:41,070
This is real news, everybody.

4317
02:30:41,250 --> 02:30:42,970
Tonight, we are hearing from the father of

4318
02:30:42,970 --> 02:30:45,150
JonBenet Ramsey amid the popularity of that new

4319
02:30:45,150 --> 02:30:47,070
Netflix docuseries about her murder.

4320
02:30:47,610 --> 02:30:49,810
Ramsey spoke with ABC News about where the

4321
02:30:49,810 --> 02:30:50,950
case currently stands.

4322
02:30:51,650 --> 02:30:53,310
If the police will do what we've asked

4323
02:30:53,310 --> 02:30:57,330
to do regarding DNA testing, genealogy research, I

4324
02:30:57,330 --> 02:31:01,150
think there's a very good possibility that we

4325
02:31:01,150 --> 02:31:05,310
will have him behind bars sooner than later.

4326
02:31:05,470 --> 02:31:08,450
Somebody asked me once, what would you say

4327
02:31:08,450 --> 02:31:10,450
to JonBenet if he could?

4328
02:31:10,530 --> 02:31:12,190
I would tell her, I'm sorry I didn't

4329
02:31:12,190 --> 02:31:12,850
protect you.

4330
02:31:13,050 --> 02:31:14,770
Sounds like a distraught father to me.

4331
02:31:15,070 --> 02:31:16,430
That's a father's job.

4332
02:31:17,350 --> 02:31:18,530
It's heartbreaking words.

4333
02:31:19,030 --> 02:31:21,970
And ABC News is reporting that sources briefed

4334
02:31:21,970 --> 02:31:24,690
on the investigation say progress is being made.

4335
02:31:24,810 --> 02:31:26,890
Now, it's unclear exactly what that means.

4336
02:31:27,530 --> 02:31:29,390
In an update last week, the police chief

4337
02:31:29,390 --> 02:31:31,510
said the department continues to follow up on

4338
02:31:31,510 --> 02:31:33,990
tips and have now digitized all the evidence

4339
02:31:33,990 --> 02:31:35,350
into a searchable database.

4340
02:31:35,370 --> 02:31:36,290
Oh, it's in a database.

4341
02:31:36,550 --> 02:31:38,310
Oh, please watch the Netflix documentary.

4342
02:31:39,570 --> 02:31:40,390
Next on the agenda.

4343
02:31:40,590 --> 02:31:42,950
Next on the next on the next train

4344
02:31:42,950 --> 02:31:43,530
stop.

4345
02:31:44,190 --> 02:31:44,430
AI.

4346
02:31:44,850 --> 02:31:45,250
Oh, yeah.

4347
02:31:45,470 --> 02:31:45,710
Yeah.

4348
02:31:45,950 --> 02:31:48,210
That we ran some AI on the DNA

4349
02:31:48,210 --> 02:31:50,010
database and we found the killer.

4350
02:31:50,830 --> 02:31:52,210
Win, win, win, win.

4351
02:31:53,750 --> 02:31:54,230
Yes.

4352
02:31:54,950 --> 02:31:55,510
All right.

4353
02:31:57,050 --> 02:31:57,750
All right.

4354
02:31:57,990 --> 02:31:59,850
Well, I got a I've got a horrible

4355
02:31:59,850 --> 02:32:01,410
NPR, horrible report.

4356
02:32:01,510 --> 02:32:03,610
On social media, which is worth listening to.

4357
02:32:03,770 --> 02:32:04,230
Oh, yes.

4358
02:32:04,290 --> 02:32:05,510
We like horrible reports.

4359
02:32:05,670 --> 02:32:07,010
If it bleeds, it leads on the no

4360
02:32:07,010 --> 02:32:07,250
agenda.

4361
02:32:07,630 --> 02:32:11,450
This is one of many NPR has some

4362
02:32:11,450 --> 02:32:14,950
sometimes have some very good approaches.

4363
02:32:15,710 --> 02:32:17,790
Almost as good as NTD.

4364
02:32:18,350 --> 02:32:20,890
And then sometimes they just go nuts.

4365
02:32:21,570 --> 02:32:22,110
Social media.

4366
02:32:22,710 --> 02:32:23,370
This time.

4367
02:32:23,450 --> 02:32:23,970
Sorry, sorry.

4368
02:32:24,050 --> 02:32:24,950
No, I tried to time it.

4369
02:32:25,010 --> 02:32:25,330
Here we go.

4370
02:32:25,370 --> 02:32:25,510
Yeah.

4371
02:32:25,550 --> 02:32:28,630
Social media has played, as usual, an outsized

4372
02:32:28,630 --> 02:32:31,070
role in launching and shaping cultural trends in

4373
02:32:31,070 --> 02:32:32,030
twenty twenty four.

4374
02:32:32,110 --> 02:32:33,710
And here to walk us through some of

4375
02:32:33,710 --> 02:32:36,290
the year's most significant ones is NPR culture

4376
02:32:36,290 --> 02:32:37,490
correspondent Chloe Veltman.

4377
02:32:37,570 --> 02:32:37,970
Hey, Chloe.

4378
02:32:38,070 --> 02:32:38,530
Hey, Chloe.

4379
02:32:38,590 --> 02:32:38,790
Hello.

4380
02:32:38,970 --> 02:32:40,490
That's always good to talk to you.

4381
02:32:40,850 --> 02:32:41,050
Likewise.

4382
02:32:41,370 --> 02:32:42,390
Why a British lady?

4383
02:32:42,590 --> 02:32:44,030
So what would you say the biggest trend?

4384
02:32:44,210 --> 02:32:46,830
The experts on social media.

4385
02:32:47,070 --> 02:32:47,870
Yeah, yes, yes.

4386
02:32:48,070 --> 02:32:50,730
In culture on social media was in twenty

4387
02:32:50,730 --> 02:32:51,290
twenty four.

4388
02:32:51,750 --> 02:32:53,270
Well, Scott, let me sum it up in

4389
02:32:53,270 --> 02:32:53,870
one word.

4390
02:32:54,750 --> 02:32:55,710
Fans, fans.

4391
02:32:55,970 --> 02:32:56,190
Yeah.

4392
02:32:56,290 --> 02:32:59,510
Fans have completely transformed the entertainment landscape this

4393
02:32:59,510 --> 02:32:59,790
year.

4394
02:32:59,790 --> 02:33:01,010
Through social media.

4395
02:33:01,190 --> 02:33:01,530
Tell me more.

4396
02:33:01,670 --> 02:33:02,290
What you mean by that?

4397
02:33:02,730 --> 02:33:05,110
Well, of course, fans have this enormous influence.

4398
02:33:05,410 --> 02:33:07,410
What we watch used to be decided on

4399
02:33:07,410 --> 02:33:09,690
by these big networks and mainstream media and

4400
02:33:09,690 --> 02:33:10,350
then streamers.

4401
02:33:10,350 --> 02:33:13,190
But now what fans create or love is

4402
02:33:13,190 --> 02:33:14,750
spilling over into everything.

4403
02:33:15,310 --> 02:33:16,950
I took a look at the new reports

4404
02:33:16,950 --> 02:33:19,810
released this week from companies like YouTube, TikTok

4405
02:33:19,810 --> 02:33:20,650
and Spotify.

4406
02:33:21,090 --> 02:33:23,450
And I have two big examples for you

4407
02:33:23,450 --> 02:33:24,210
to illustrate this.

4408
02:33:24,330 --> 02:33:25,010
All right, let's do it.

4409
02:33:25,030 --> 02:33:25,690
What's the first one?

4410
02:33:26,190 --> 02:33:27,970
The first one is the beef that took

4411
02:33:27,970 --> 02:33:30,350
place this year between Kendrick Lamar and Drake.

4412
02:33:30,590 --> 02:33:31,950
I am well aware of it, but wasn't

4413
02:33:31,950 --> 02:33:33,410
I mean, that was a real life beef,

4414
02:33:33,450 --> 02:33:33,590
right?

4415
02:33:33,670 --> 02:33:36,010
This this existed independently of social media.

4416
02:33:36,070 --> 02:33:36,770
It did.

4417
02:33:36,890 --> 02:33:39,710
Yes, they exchanged tracks, songs where they attacked

4418
02:33:39,710 --> 02:33:43,250
each other over accusations of domestic abuse, fathering

4419
02:33:43,250 --> 02:33:44,650
illegitimate children and so on.

4420
02:33:44,750 --> 02:33:48,210
But the spat was hugely amplified by fans

4421
02:33:48,210 --> 02:33:50,790
dissecting every single beat of it on podcasts

4422
02:33:50,790 --> 02:33:53,930
and videos and making their own related content.

4423
02:33:53,930 --> 02:33:57,230
So here's one animated short film from May,

4424
02:33:57,670 --> 02:34:00,450
a cartoon Kendrick Lamar confronts a cartoon Drake

4425
02:34:00,450 --> 02:34:02,290
about hiding a child he fathered.

4426
02:34:02,350 --> 02:34:03,750
And it's in Japanese.

4427
02:34:07,670 --> 02:34:10,750
So this video has racked up nearly two

4428
02:34:10,750 --> 02:34:12,730
and a half million views on YouTube and

4429
02:34:12,730 --> 02:34:14,370
three million views on X.com.

4430
02:34:14,490 --> 02:34:17,210
And all of this fan related content, it

4431
02:34:17,210 --> 02:34:19,870
seems to increase the fan bases for both

4432
02:34:19,870 --> 02:34:21,010
Kendrick Lamar and Drake.

4433
02:34:24,490 --> 02:34:26,570
Awesome, John, I love I love the sound

4434
02:34:26,570 --> 02:34:26,990
effects.

4435
02:34:28,650 --> 02:34:30,270
Yeah, well, somebody had the shooter.

4436
02:34:30,610 --> 02:34:34,130
Yeah, it goes on and on and I

4437
02:34:34,130 --> 02:34:36,030
have one more part of this because she's

4438
02:34:36,030 --> 02:34:36,550
just nuts.

4439
02:34:36,690 --> 02:34:37,130
This is a woman.

4440
02:34:37,490 --> 02:34:38,750
She's talking about fan base.

4441
02:34:38,970 --> 02:34:41,450
Now she's talking about how, you know, because

4442
02:34:41,450 --> 02:34:44,470
of this, they're taking stuff that's on the

4443
02:34:44,470 --> 02:34:46,910
platforms and they're moving it to mainstream.

4444
02:34:47,310 --> 02:34:48,810
You know, this is like the reverse of

4445
02:34:48,810 --> 02:34:52,410
what's really going on is mainstreamers are going

4446
02:34:52,410 --> 02:34:54,350
to podcasting and the other way around.

4447
02:34:54,490 --> 02:34:56,830
But, OK, they're seeing it this way because,

4448
02:34:57,070 --> 02:35:00,270
of course, they're representing mainstream as being part

4449
02:35:00,270 --> 02:35:01,590
of the NPR.

4450
02:35:01,970 --> 02:35:03,550
But I want to remind people that this

4451
02:35:03,550 --> 02:35:07,090
is a phenomenon of going from bouncing back

4452
02:35:07,090 --> 02:35:07,810
and forth.

4453
02:35:08,230 --> 02:35:10,670
Really, I think began with if people can

4454
02:35:10,670 --> 02:35:13,090
remember back this far, it was probably before

4455
02:35:13,090 --> 02:35:14,690
the show began, I think.

4456
02:35:14,850 --> 02:35:16,610
Yeah, it was before our show even began.

4457
02:35:16,730 --> 02:35:17,690
Rocket boom.

4458
02:35:18,170 --> 02:35:19,210
Yes, it was.

4459
02:35:19,290 --> 02:35:21,150
Well, no, we used we used to laugh

4460
02:35:21,150 --> 02:35:22,630
about rocket boom on the show.

4461
02:35:22,690 --> 02:35:23,930
They were still around when.

4462
02:35:24,470 --> 02:35:25,950
Yeah, they were still around, but they began

4463
02:35:25,950 --> 02:35:29,610
in twenty two thousand four.

4464
02:35:29,690 --> 02:35:30,050
What happened?

4465
02:35:30,230 --> 02:35:30,890
What was that?

4466
02:35:30,930 --> 02:35:31,450
What's her name?

4467
02:35:31,490 --> 02:35:32,410
The rocket boom girl.

4468
02:35:32,490 --> 02:35:34,570
And she got Amanda Congdon.

4469
02:35:34,750 --> 02:35:35,150
Yes.

4470
02:35:35,150 --> 02:35:36,770
And then she got an agent and then

4471
02:35:36,770 --> 02:35:38,190
rocket boom fell apart.

4472
02:35:39,010 --> 02:35:40,950
She got an agent and they moved her

4473
02:35:40,950 --> 02:35:43,190
to the mainstream media where she didn't have

4474
02:35:43,190 --> 02:35:45,910
the chops for it because she was really

4475
02:35:45,910 --> 02:35:48,090
good at what she did on line.

4476
02:35:48,290 --> 02:35:49,930
But it was it was different media media

4477
02:35:49,930 --> 02:35:52,530
is people always have to understand these things

4478
02:35:52,530 --> 02:35:55,210
aren't all the same just because there's a

4479
02:35:55,210 --> 02:35:56,110
video involved.

4480
02:35:56,270 --> 02:35:57,490
This doesn't mean it's the same as being

4481
02:35:57,490 --> 02:36:00,050
on network TV, doing a movie is not

4482
02:36:00,050 --> 02:36:02,350
the same as doing a TV show, doing

4483
02:36:02,350 --> 02:36:04,910
a YouTube video is not the same as

4484
02:36:04,910 --> 02:36:05,310
anything.

4485
02:36:05,430 --> 02:36:08,410
It's the same as remember Tommy Lahren when

4486
02:36:08,410 --> 02:36:11,030
she was Tommy Lahren, just the social media.

4487
02:36:11,610 --> 02:36:12,270
She was great.

4488
02:36:12,390 --> 02:36:13,890
And then they put her on Fox and

4489
02:36:13,890 --> 02:36:16,670
she says, no, it's no, it didn't work.

4490
02:36:16,950 --> 02:36:17,790
And she got an agent.

4491
02:36:17,910 --> 02:36:18,990
I remember she got an agent.

4492
02:36:21,030 --> 02:36:21,390
Yeah.

4493
02:36:21,390 --> 02:36:22,890
I'm going to make you a star.

4494
02:36:22,990 --> 02:36:24,350
Hey, baby, I want to make you a

4495
02:36:24,350 --> 02:36:24,730
star.

4496
02:36:24,970 --> 02:36:26,690
So I don't know whatever happened to Amanda

4497
02:36:26,690 --> 02:36:27,370
Congdon.

4498
02:36:27,630 --> 02:36:29,670
She disappeared off the face of the earth.

4499
02:36:29,910 --> 02:36:31,330
Maybe she listens to our show and she

4500
02:36:31,330 --> 02:36:32,310
can tell us what happened.

4501
02:36:33,810 --> 02:36:35,990
But yeah, so this is not a new

4502
02:36:35,990 --> 02:36:36,410
for the day.

4503
02:36:36,470 --> 02:36:37,490
All this is bullcrap.

4504
02:36:37,490 --> 02:36:39,750
This is a filler show and I felt

4505
02:36:39,750 --> 02:36:41,950
really that it was like, why am I

4506
02:36:41,950 --> 02:36:44,130
making people suffer by listening to it?

4507
02:36:44,190 --> 02:36:45,390
It's just because I had to.

4508
02:36:45,930 --> 02:36:48,190
After the election, a lot of talk about

4509
02:36:48,190 --> 02:36:50,830
the manosphere and how influential men have been

4510
02:36:50,830 --> 02:36:51,650
in this space.

4511
02:36:52,010 --> 02:36:53,310
What are you seeing about this?

4512
02:36:53,670 --> 02:36:54,210
Yes, indeed.

4513
02:36:54,410 --> 02:36:58,870
Men continue to dominate social media celebrity space.

4514
02:36:59,310 --> 02:37:01,530
Mr. Beast, for example, is still at or

4515
02:37:01,530 --> 02:37:03,610
near the top of social media charts for

4516
02:37:03,610 --> 02:37:04,150
popularity.

4517
02:37:04,770 --> 02:37:06,490
He's the face of an enormous social media

4518
02:37:06,490 --> 02:37:06,950
empire.

4519
02:37:06,950 --> 02:37:09,510
Of course, focused on elaborate stunts and giveaway

4520
02:37:09,510 --> 02:37:10,530
videos that he makes.

4521
02:37:11,170 --> 02:37:13,010
And then there's the ever popular Joe Rogan.

4522
02:37:13,430 --> 02:37:16,110
President-elect Trump made an appearance on his

4523
02:37:16,110 --> 02:37:16,430
show.

4524
02:37:16,770 --> 02:37:18,910
But let's not forget women also made a

4525
02:37:18,910 --> 02:37:19,790
big impact this year.

4526
02:37:20,090 --> 02:37:22,630
There was Charlie XCX's Brat Summer.

4527
02:37:23,070 --> 02:37:26,250
Brat, which translates sort of a swagger and

4528
02:37:26,250 --> 02:37:29,190
attitude, is Collins Dictionary's Word of the Year.

4529
02:37:29,770 --> 02:37:32,870
And it was widely applied to presidential nominee

4530
02:37:32,870 --> 02:37:33,630
Kamala Harris.

4531
02:37:33,630 --> 02:37:36,870
She appeared on the Call Her Daddy podcast

4532
02:37:36,870 --> 02:37:38,450
hosted by a woman, Alex Cooper.

4533
02:37:38,870 --> 02:37:39,810
This seems like a trend that's going to

4534
02:37:39,810 --> 02:37:40,270
continue.

4535
02:37:40,950 --> 02:37:45,030
Digital space, podcasts, streamers and politics all merging

4536
02:37:45,030 --> 02:37:45,390
together.

4537
02:37:45,610 --> 02:37:46,390
I think so.

4538
02:37:46,570 --> 02:37:48,290
I talked to Abigail DeCosnick.

4539
02:37:48,430 --> 02:37:50,690
She's an associate professor at the University of

4540
02:37:50,690 --> 02:37:54,070
California, Berkeley, who studies social media and fandoms.

4541
02:37:54,250 --> 02:37:56,450
She says in 2025, we can expect to

4542
02:37:56,450 --> 02:37:59,390
see cultural spaces on social media increasingly becoming

4543
02:37:59,390 --> 02:38:02,670
co-opted by political factions in our very

4544
02:38:02,670 --> 02:38:04,010
polarized society.

4545
02:38:04,310 --> 02:38:05,710
I think a lot of it will be

4546
02:38:05,710 --> 02:38:08,230
culture wars at many levels.

4547
02:38:08,530 --> 02:38:10,610
I think a lot of the culture warring

4548
02:38:10,610 --> 02:38:14,550
will have real ramifications for politics and for

4549
02:38:14,550 --> 02:38:15,470
everyday life.

4550
02:38:15,890 --> 02:38:16,870
Let's end with this, Chloe.

4551
02:38:17,570 --> 02:38:20,170
What is your favorite social media cultural moment

4552
02:38:20,170 --> 02:38:20,970
of 2024?

4553
02:38:21,570 --> 02:38:23,210
Oh, I'm so glad you asked, Scott.

4554
02:38:23,330 --> 02:38:25,430
Well, I think I think my gold star

4555
02:38:25,430 --> 02:38:28,050
has to go to Jules LeBron's viral TikTok

4556
02:38:28,050 --> 02:38:28,490
video.

4557
02:38:28,490 --> 02:38:30,730
Very demure, very mindful.

4558
02:38:31,070 --> 02:38:33,390
She not only coined a new phrase, but

4559
02:38:33,390 --> 02:38:36,610
this was also named 2024's word of the

4560
02:38:36,610 --> 02:38:37,850
year by dictionary dot com.

4561
02:38:38,190 --> 02:38:38,850
Thank you, Chloe.

4562
02:38:39,050 --> 02:38:40,130
You were very demure.

4563
02:38:40,330 --> 02:38:41,330
Oh, thank you, Scott.

4564
02:38:41,490 --> 02:38:42,730
I do try to be mindful.

4565
02:38:44,430 --> 02:38:45,390
Oh, gracious.

4566
02:38:46,550 --> 02:38:49,210
Well, this is NPR, national treasure.

4567
02:38:49,510 --> 02:38:53,030
Well, you actually lead me into something I

4568
02:38:53,030 --> 02:38:54,990
wasn't going to bring up because I was

4569
02:38:54,990 --> 02:38:57,210
reading this report article.

4570
02:38:57,210 --> 02:39:01,590
It's in a military industrial complex blog.

4571
02:39:02,750 --> 02:39:05,690
And they were talking about the do you

4572
02:39:05,690 --> 02:39:10,130
remember the recruitment video for the army's the

4573
02:39:10,130 --> 02:39:13,590
fourth psychological operations group, the ghost in the

4574
02:39:13,590 --> 02:39:14,010
machine?

4575
02:39:14,110 --> 02:39:17,470
It was this really strange cartoonish.

4576
02:39:18,790 --> 02:39:19,990
Video, I do not.

4577
02:39:20,750 --> 02:39:23,210
Well, if you saw it, you would probably.

4578
02:39:23,210 --> 02:39:23,850
Yeah.

4579
02:39:24,110 --> 02:39:27,530
And and in this article, they talk about

4580
02:39:27,530 --> 02:39:31,910
the psychological operations on social media.

4581
02:39:32,110 --> 02:39:34,290
I pulled two quotes from this article.

4582
02:39:34,670 --> 02:39:37,750
Psychological operations or PSYOP is all about influencing

4583
02:39:37,750 --> 02:39:40,270
governments, people of power and everyday citizens.

4584
02:39:41,070 --> 02:39:44,510
PSYOP soldiers are described as adaptive thinkers who

4585
02:39:44,510 --> 02:39:48,210
have language and cultural expertise, specialize in deception

4586
02:39:48,210 --> 02:39:50,570
and cyber warfare and work in small teams

4587
02:39:50,570 --> 02:39:54,150
to persuade and influence populations in support of

4588
02:39:54,150 --> 02:39:57,190
the US military military throughout the world, throughout

4589
02:39:57,190 --> 02:39:57,610
the world.

4590
02:39:58,210 --> 02:40:01,570
Psychological operations are occurring literally everywhere, every day

4591
02:40:01,570 --> 02:40:03,130
in every component of our lives.

4592
02:40:03,130 --> 02:40:04,530
And we know that we know this to

4593
02:40:04,530 --> 02:40:06,450
be true, mainly with entertainment products.

4594
02:40:06,870 --> 02:40:08,650
They go on to say social media is

4595
02:40:08,650 --> 02:40:12,190
used to replicate conditions of low intensity warfare

4596
02:40:12,190 --> 02:40:16,050
in order to physically induce people into political

4597
02:40:16,050 --> 02:40:19,630
radicalism so they can be cultivated as assets

4598
02:40:19,630 --> 02:40:22,250
and deployed in the media narrative to replicate

4599
02:40:22,250 --> 02:40:24,590
conditions of low intensity warfare.

4600
02:40:24,950 --> 02:40:27,270
At the end of the day, conspiracy theorists

4601
02:40:27,270 --> 02:40:29,710
aren't far off, but then they become most

4602
02:40:29,710 --> 02:40:31,990
frequently another means by which the low intensity

4603
02:40:31,990 --> 02:40:34,050
eternal culture war is developed.

4604
02:40:35,110 --> 02:40:37,910
And I thought, yeah, this is absolutely true.

4605
02:40:38,010 --> 02:40:39,970
And the and the next spot for this

4606
02:40:39,970 --> 02:40:41,390
is going to be Blue Cry.

4607
02:40:42,490 --> 02:40:47,890
From what I understand, threads, threads, the the

4608
02:40:47,890 --> 02:40:50,910
Facebook social network is kind of dead because

4609
02:40:50,910 --> 02:40:55,110
everybody left for Blue Cry, including the European

4610
02:40:55,110 --> 02:40:55,390
Federation.

4611
02:40:56,030 --> 02:40:59,130
Yeah, I know you're using that as a

4612
02:40:59,130 --> 02:40:59,490
nickname.

4613
02:40:59,650 --> 02:41:01,470
You call it Blue Cry, but I don't

4614
02:41:01,470 --> 02:41:05,050
think everyone's getting that blue sky and blue

4615
02:41:05,050 --> 02:41:05,370
cry.

4616
02:41:06,010 --> 02:41:09,450
Yeah, well, because you say Blue Cry, it

4617
02:41:09,450 --> 02:41:11,030
always takes me a couple of beats to

4618
02:41:11,650 --> 02:41:12,890
figure out what you're talking about.

4619
02:41:13,170 --> 02:41:14,230
OK, blue sky.

4620
02:41:15,450 --> 02:41:15,870
Blue sky.

4621
02:41:15,970 --> 02:41:17,470
And I should also mention that there's a

4622
02:41:17,470 --> 02:41:21,290
number of interesting theories out there that blue

4623
02:41:21,290 --> 02:41:23,530
sky is just a A.I. SOP.

4624
02:41:24,590 --> 02:41:27,190
Well, they are now, according to the CEO,

4625
02:41:27,590 --> 02:41:29,590
considering advertising.

4626
02:41:30,850 --> 02:41:32,610
So you know what that means, once you

4627
02:41:32,610 --> 02:41:36,010
get advertising, what they don't have advertising?

4628
02:41:36,350 --> 02:41:36,650
No.

4629
02:41:37,150 --> 02:41:38,730
Well, they're just giving it away.

4630
02:41:38,890 --> 02:41:40,390
Well, to get everybody in.

4631
02:41:40,390 --> 02:41:40,790
Yeah.

4632
02:41:41,470 --> 02:41:44,190
Including the European Federation of Journalists who are

4633
02:41:44,190 --> 02:41:45,250
leaving X.

4634
02:41:45,830 --> 02:41:46,990
Oh, we're leaving.

4635
02:41:47,610 --> 02:41:49,850
The European Federation of Journalists has officially announced

4636
02:41:49,850 --> 02:41:51,490
that it will no longer be posting on

4637
02:41:51,490 --> 02:41:51,850
Twitter.

4638
02:41:52,650 --> 02:41:56,670
So starting on January 20th, 2025, the day

4639
02:41:56,670 --> 02:41:59,590
Donald Trump is sworn into office, the president.

4640
02:42:00,150 --> 02:42:01,330
I'm getting to it.

4641
02:42:01,610 --> 02:42:04,970
The president of the EFJ slammed Elon Musk

4642
02:42:04,970 --> 02:42:07,530
in a statement following the group's announcement.

4643
02:42:07,610 --> 02:42:08,230
And here it is.

4644
02:42:08,230 --> 02:42:10,530
After the U.S. elections, EFJ pointed out

4645
02:42:10,530 --> 02:42:13,090
the threats to democracy and freedom of expression

4646
02:42:13,090 --> 02:42:15,230
posed by the cooperation between the president of

4647
02:42:15,230 --> 02:42:17,150
the most powerful country in the world, Donald

4648
02:42:17,150 --> 02:42:17,330
J.

4649
02:42:17,410 --> 02:42:18,950
Trump, and the richest man in the world,

4650
02:42:19,050 --> 02:42:20,730
Elon Musk, was also the owner of Social

4651
02:42:20,730 --> 02:42:22,710
Network X and has been appointed to lead

4652
02:42:22,710 --> 02:42:24,910
the Department of Government Efficiency Doge.

4653
02:42:25,270 --> 02:42:25,970
When Donald J.

4654
02:42:26,050 --> 02:42:28,170
Trump takes office as president on January 20th,

4655
02:42:28,210 --> 02:42:30,830
2025, we cannot continue to participate in the

4656
02:42:30,830 --> 02:42:33,190
social network feed of a man who proclaims

4657
02:42:33,190 --> 02:42:35,170
the death of the media and therefore of

4658
02:42:35,170 --> 02:42:35,750
journalists.

4659
02:42:37,530 --> 02:42:38,530
Wait a minute.

4660
02:42:39,390 --> 02:42:40,790
So let me get I want you to

4661
02:42:40,790 --> 02:42:41,710
straighten me out here.

4662
02:42:42,790 --> 02:42:45,870
So I'm an outlet for, let's say, news

4663
02:42:45,870 --> 02:42:49,330
articles or tidbits that I post, you know,

4664
02:42:49,330 --> 02:42:51,310
people would go follow up and read the

4665
02:42:51,310 --> 02:42:53,030
whole thing or go to my site or

4666
02:42:53,030 --> 02:42:53,190
whatever.

4667
02:42:53,450 --> 02:42:53,590
Yeah.

4668
02:42:53,710 --> 02:42:55,830
So I have a and so I have

4669
02:42:55,830 --> 02:42:57,510
a bunch of followers because I've been on

4670
02:42:57,510 --> 02:42:58,730
the site for a long time.

4671
02:42:58,790 --> 02:43:00,070
I got hundreds of thousands.

4672
02:43:00,230 --> 02:43:01,170
You got 100,000.

4673
02:43:02,250 --> 02:43:04,370
No, I'm talking about these guys.

4674
02:43:04,430 --> 02:43:05,550
Oh, they must have millions.

4675
02:43:05,550 --> 02:43:08,790
I have a hundred thousand and two.

4676
02:43:09,250 --> 02:43:09,350
Yeah.

4677
02:43:10,630 --> 02:43:11,770
Which is low.

4678
02:43:13,590 --> 02:43:16,070
So you have this group of people, you

4679
02:43:16,070 --> 02:43:17,650
have a bunch of followers and you post

4680
02:43:17,650 --> 02:43:19,010
it, so you post there and then you

4681
02:43:19,010 --> 02:43:21,030
post it Facebook, you post on Insta, you

4682
02:43:21,030 --> 02:43:22,490
just do all these posts because the real

4683
02:43:22,490 --> 02:43:24,490
idea is it's a marketing approach.

4684
02:43:24,630 --> 02:43:25,690
You just post all over.

4685
02:43:25,770 --> 02:43:26,850
I mean, I try to post that.

4686
02:43:27,170 --> 02:43:28,930
I'll probably get a blue sky account myself

4687
02:43:28,930 --> 02:43:30,630
so I can just post the link to

4688
02:43:30,630 --> 02:43:31,030
the show.

4689
02:43:31,850 --> 02:43:34,130
So I'm going to pull this.

4690
02:43:34,750 --> 02:43:38,110
I'm going to pull my my huge audiences

4691
02:43:38,110 --> 02:43:39,170
and screw the artist.

4692
02:43:39,350 --> 02:43:42,770
I'm going to not post there anymore, hurting

4693
02:43:42,770 --> 02:43:44,150
my own brand.

4694
02:43:44,650 --> 02:43:46,410
And I want you to explain to me

4695
02:43:46,410 --> 02:43:48,750
the logic behind this thinking.

4696
02:43:49,830 --> 02:43:52,770
Virtue signaling, I have this no other reason

4697
02:43:52,770 --> 02:43:56,470
for it is dumb, but it's completely dumb.

4698
02:43:57,950 --> 02:44:00,710
And you know what, honestly, I didn't even

4699
02:44:00,710 --> 02:44:03,190
know there was a European Federation of journalists.

4700
02:44:03,290 --> 02:44:05,050
So we kind of worked, you mentioned it

4701
02:44:05,050 --> 02:44:06,050
kind of worked.

4702
02:44:06,370 --> 02:44:08,850
They already did a shitty job of pulling

4703
02:44:08,850 --> 02:44:10,690
themselves up to the floor.

4704
02:44:11,250 --> 02:44:13,550
But I think once a blue sky goes

4705
02:44:13,550 --> 02:44:16,330
to an advertising model that only makes it

4706
02:44:16,330 --> 02:44:18,690
easier for, uh, for people to be used

4707
02:44:18,690 --> 02:44:22,650
for psychological operations, because then the, the military

4708
02:44:22,650 --> 02:44:25,090
or whoever else, the entertainment comp, whoever it

4709
02:44:25,090 --> 02:44:27,090
is, can come in and can target people

4710
02:44:27,090 --> 02:44:27,510
directly.

4711
02:44:27,550 --> 02:44:29,330
That's what those tools are meant for.

4712
02:44:29,930 --> 02:44:30,490
Exactly.

4713
02:44:30,490 --> 02:44:33,690
As we heard the, um, the global engagement

4714
02:44:33,690 --> 02:44:36,230
center of the state department doing, Oh, well

4715
02:44:36,230 --> 02:44:37,610
we just went to Facebook and we could

4716
02:44:37,610 --> 02:44:39,590
target people exactly where we wanted them.

4717
02:44:41,070 --> 02:44:42,810
So blue sky is going to be, it's

4718
02:44:42,810 --> 02:44:45,030
going, I predict we're going to see a

4719
02:44:45,030 --> 02:44:47,510
lot more people going very crazy.

4720
02:44:48,250 --> 02:44:51,310
Like what we're seeing with the Trump is

4721
02:44:51,310 --> 02:44:53,890
going to take away all my rights women.

4722
02:44:54,690 --> 02:44:56,870
And, uh, he's going to take away my

4723
02:44:56,870 --> 02:44:58,330
social security people.

4724
02:44:58,330 --> 02:45:02,310
You know, the, the same way that people

4725
02:45:02,310 --> 02:45:04,910
don't hear about the CBP app for the,

4726
02:45:05,050 --> 02:45:08,010
for the asylum seekers, they'll only hear about

4727
02:45:08,010 --> 02:45:08,990
what they hear about.

4728
02:45:09,070 --> 02:45:11,050
And it's, and it's already rampant on blue

4729
02:45:11,050 --> 02:45:11,390
sky.

4730
02:45:11,690 --> 02:45:12,930
None of this is good.

4731
02:45:13,030 --> 02:45:15,930
None of this whole concept of social media

4732
02:45:15,930 --> 02:45:17,050
is not good.

4733
02:45:17,450 --> 02:45:19,270
They are digital towers of Babel.

4734
02:45:19,370 --> 02:45:20,570
They need to be taken down.

4735
02:45:20,670 --> 02:45:21,550
They're no good.

4736
02:45:21,970 --> 02:45:23,290
I like that way.

4737
02:45:23,330 --> 02:45:28,810
This contrast with your, your previous, um, I

4738
02:45:28,810 --> 02:45:31,190
would say boosting, I believe it's not the

4739
02:45:31,190 --> 02:45:36,670
right word, but of the Fediverse and Mastodon,

4740
02:45:36,790 --> 02:45:38,490
but they don't have algorithms.

4741
02:45:39,290 --> 02:45:39,730
Yeah.

4742
02:45:39,750 --> 02:45:41,490
Well, they don't have users either.

4743
02:45:41,490 --> 02:45:44,350
I'm going to show myself old by donating

4744
02:45:44,350 --> 02:45:45,210
to no agenda.

4745
02:45:45,410 --> 02:45:47,310
Imagine all the people that do that.

4746
02:45:47,550 --> 02:45:48,530
Oh yeah, that'd be fab.

4747
02:45:55,530 --> 02:45:56,810
That's exactly right.

4748
02:45:57,090 --> 02:45:59,770
See Nostra, another, you know, Oh, it's decentralized.

4749
02:46:00,070 --> 02:46:01,270
No one could take away our freedom.

4750
02:46:01,390 --> 02:46:03,150
Well, no one's used like 40,000 people

4751
02:46:03,150 --> 02:46:05,730
use it because A it's only people talking

4752
02:46:05,730 --> 02:46:08,330
about Bitcoin and B there's no algorithm.

4753
02:46:08,330 --> 02:46:09,530
That's exactly right.

4754
02:46:10,070 --> 02:46:12,590
People don't use things that aren't exciting and

4755
02:46:12,590 --> 02:46:13,170
entertaining.

4756
02:46:13,430 --> 02:46:16,170
Just like blogging was never really exciting and

4757
02:46:16,170 --> 02:46:16,670
entertaining.

4758
02:46:17,050 --> 02:46:18,090
And you had a life.

4759
02:46:18,170 --> 02:46:20,330
You did stuff outside of social media.

4760
02:46:20,830 --> 02:46:21,290
You went outside.

4761
02:46:21,690 --> 02:46:24,050
I blame the blogger role for failing.

4762
02:46:25,550 --> 02:46:26,150
Yes.

4763
02:46:26,650 --> 02:46:28,310
We're going to stay brought that up to

4764
02:46:28,310 --> 02:46:28,410
me.

4765
02:46:28,490 --> 02:46:30,350
So why don't we bring back the blog

4766
02:46:30,350 --> 02:46:30,710
role?

4767
02:46:30,870 --> 02:46:32,910
Maybe that'll make blogging popular again.

4768
02:46:33,130 --> 02:46:35,390
You know, we have a pod role in

4769
02:46:35,390 --> 02:46:38,070
podcasting 2.0. Is that right?

4770
02:46:38,270 --> 02:46:38,430
Yes.

4771
02:46:38,530 --> 02:46:40,410
And in some of the apps, not all,

4772
02:46:40,510 --> 02:46:43,310
but some of them, um, you will, if

4773
02:46:43,310 --> 02:46:45,890
you look at, uh, I don't, they surface

4774
02:46:45,890 --> 02:46:48,210
it differently, but even our show has a,

4775
02:46:48,230 --> 02:46:49,690
has a pod role.

4776
02:46:49,790 --> 02:46:50,990
I can tell you what's in there.

4777
02:46:51,550 --> 02:46:52,570
Hold on a second.

4778
02:46:53,530 --> 02:46:54,390
Uh, show.

4779
02:46:54,510 --> 02:46:55,370
We have a pod.

4780
02:46:55,470 --> 02:46:56,730
We have a pod role.

4781
02:46:56,850 --> 02:46:58,630
And I have in there, I have the

4782
02:46:58,630 --> 02:47:00,350
DH unplug podcast.

4783
02:47:00,510 --> 02:47:02,690
I have the curry and the keeper podcast.

4784
02:47:02,750 --> 02:47:04,750
Now add anything you want, but you want

4785
02:47:04,750 --> 02:47:07,170
another, you want another, uh, pod in the

4786
02:47:07,170 --> 02:47:09,090
pod role that was going on.

4787
02:47:09,190 --> 02:47:11,070
But now I'll start to think about it.

4788
02:47:11,130 --> 02:47:14,070
We can unlimited, we can put unlimited pods

4789
02:47:14,070 --> 02:47:15,390
in the pod role.

4790
02:47:15,930 --> 02:47:16,370
Hmm.

4791
02:47:16,630 --> 02:47:16,910
Yeah.

4792
02:47:17,290 --> 02:47:17,710
Yeah.

4793
02:47:18,370 --> 02:47:20,730
It's not all the apps are using it

4794
02:47:20,730 --> 02:47:22,450
yet, but we actually had a conversation about

4795
02:47:22,450 --> 02:47:23,390
the other, the other day.

4796
02:47:23,410 --> 02:47:24,750
I'm like, you know, people should be doing

4797
02:47:24,750 --> 02:47:24,990
this.

4798
02:47:25,130 --> 02:47:29,850
Make it exciting with a pod role, pod

4799
02:47:29,850 --> 02:47:32,310
role, pod role.

4800
02:47:32,750 --> 02:47:33,870
Everybody wants it.

4801
02:47:34,070 --> 02:47:36,470
I think that's almost a show title sandwich.

4802
02:47:39,550 --> 02:47:41,510
It's taking me like a lobster roll.

4803
02:47:41,530 --> 02:47:42,370
Only it's funky.

4804
02:47:42,710 --> 02:47:44,550
That's a pod role.

4805
02:47:46,150 --> 02:47:47,430
Let's end this thing.

4806
02:47:50,030 --> 02:47:50,890
All right.

4807
02:47:50,950 --> 02:47:52,530
Uh, we have a tip of the day

4808
02:47:52,530 --> 02:47:54,990
coming up with the exciting development.

4809
02:47:55,130 --> 02:47:56,830
John and I had a meeting about the

4810
02:47:56,830 --> 02:47:58,150
tip of the day, which I want to

4811
02:47:58,150 --> 02:48:00,030
remind you of because I don't forget these

4812
02:48:00,030 --> 02:48:00,430
meetings.

4813
02:48:00,570 --> 02:48:02,890
We don't have many meetings.

4814
02:48:02,950 --> 02:48:03,790
Do you remember the meeting?

4815
02:48:03,950 --> 02:48:04,630
Let's talk about it.

4816
02:48:04,890 --> 02:48:05,910
We'll talk about the meeting.

4817
02:48:06,070 --> 02:48:07,730
It's going to be this like a Hollywood

4818
02:48:07,730 --> 02:48:12,750
situation, which means it will take a long

4819
02:48:12,750 --> 02:48:15,830
time to really develop if it ever comes

4820
02:48:15,830 --> 02:48:16,450
to fruition.

4821
02:48:16,970 --> 02:48:21,470
Before that, we want to thank our producers

4822
02:48:21,470 --> 02:48:24,030
$50 and above who supported the show.

4823
02:48:24,030 --> 02:48:27,910
Episode 1719 and John, take it away.

4824
02:48:28,450 --> 02:48:28,590
Yeah.

4825
02:48:28,670 --> 02:48:34,270
Jorge Zavala in Strathmore, Strathmore, Victoria, Australia, started

4826
02:48:34,270 --> 02:48:35,630
us off at a hundred dollars.

4827
02:48:35,930 --> 02:48:37,270
It's a long, a kind of a long

4828
02:48:37,270 --> 02:48:40,030
note dedicated to, he's been a listener for

4829
02:48:40,030 --> 02:48:40,550
six years.

4830
02:48:40,670 --> 02:48:44,230
My wife Maggie used to be skeptical, but

4831
02:48:44,230 --> 02:48:46,530
the pandemic opened her ears.

4832
02:48:47,710 --> 02:48:48,510
Got big ears.

4833
02:48:48,610 --> 02:48:48,950
That woman.

4834
02:48:49,830 --> 02:48:52,510
So, um, it does a donation for her.

4835
02:48:52,510 --> 02:48:55,170
He wants to give her a de-douching.

4836
02:48:56,890 --> 02:48:58,670
You've been de-douched.

4837
02:48:59,770 --> 02:49:01,610
He wants to know how he can become

4838
02:49:01,610 --> 02:49:04,510
Australia's no agenda ambassador.

4839
02:49:05,910 --> 02:49:08,170
Well, that will be a promotion we do

4840
02:49:08,170 --> 02:49:08,790
next year.

4841
02:49:09,890 --> 02:49:11,510
We can do it anytime we want.

4842
02:49:11,690 --> 02:49:11,850
Yeah.

4843
02:49:12,030 --> 02:49:12,370
True.

4844
02:49:13,490 --> 02:49:15,090
Well, we get like five people.

4845
02:49:15,350 --> 02:49:15,630
Okay.

4846
02:49:16,270 --> 02:49:17,310
Kevin McLaughlin's up.

4847
02:49:17,370 --> 02:49:18,850
This is a very short list.

4848
02:49:18,930 --> 02:49:20,810
This is an embarrassingly short list.

4849
02:49:20,810 --> 02:49:21,730
You should be embarrassed.

4850
02:49:23,750 --> 02:49:26,310
Kevin McLaughlin comes in from Concord, North Carolina,

4851
02:49:26,450 --> 02:49:27,330
8008.

4852
02:49:27,370 --> 02:49:27,890
Of course.

4853
02:49:28,470 --> 02:49:30,590
He's been doing this now for some time,

4854
02:49:30,730 --> 02:49:31,250
quite a while.

4855
02:49:31,290 --> 02:49:32,950
And he's the Archduke of Luna lover of

4856
02:49:32,950 --> 02:49:33,530
American boobs.

4857
02:49:33,590 --> 02:49:34,870
I have to get the exact date when

4858
02:49:34,870 --> 02:49:36,330
he began this trek.

4859
02:49:37,410 --> 02:49:40,690
Victor Gregg in Corvallis, Oregon, 67, 18.

4860
02:49:41,910 --> 02:49:46,110
Sir Chris in Arlington, Virginia, 63, 63.

4861
02:49:48,770 --> 02:49:50,070
David Cox in Austin.

4862
02:49:51,290 --> 02:49:52,790
Sixty three, twenty five.

4863
02:49:53,210 --> 02:49:57,750
Grayson and Grayson Insurance in Aurora, California, Colorado.

4864
02:49:58,330 --> 02:49:58,830
Grayson.

4865
02:49:59,010 --> 02:50:00,790
That's Grayson Insurance over the G.

4866
02:50:01,570 --> 02:50:03,910
The Outer Swamp meet up in North Bethesda.

4867
02:50:04,150 --> 02:50:05,570
Oh, he came with six or six, by

4868
02:50:05,570 --> 02:50:06,590
the way, small boob.

4869
02:50:06,930 --> 02:50:10,230
The Outer Swamp meet up in North Bethesda,

4870
02:50:10,370 --> 02:50:10,750
Maryland.

4871
02:50:11,070 --> 02:50:11,230
Yeah.

4872
02:50:11,350 --> 02:50:11,650
January.

4873
02:50:12,250 --> 02:50:12,370
Yeah.

4874
02:50:12,490 --> 02:50:13,810
January 22nd.

4875
02:50:14,190 --> 02:50:15,370
It's spook country.

4876
02:50:15,530 --> 02:50:15,830
Oh, yeah.

4877
02:50:15,890 --> 02:50:17,190
That's why it's the Outer Swamp.

4878
02:50:18,570 --> 02:50:19,510
It's the Outer Swamp.

4879
02:50:19,590 --> 02:50:19,810
Yeah.

4880
02:50:20,730 --> 02:50:21,470
Anything in there?

4881
02:50:21,570 --> 02:50:21,690
No.

4882
02:50:22,030 --> 02:50:23,370
He needs a group de-douching.

4883
02:50:23,530 --> 02:50:24,030
That's what he needs.

4884
02:50:25,670 --> 02:50:27,350
You've been de-douched.

4885
02:50:28,550 --> 02:50:33,810
Sarah King, a Kring, Sarah Kring Nielsen in

4886
02:50:33,810 --> 02:50:36,030
Quebec, 54, 27.

4887
02:50:37,270 --> 02:50:40,830
The Real Bobby Z in Port Isabel, Texas,

4888
02:50:41,030 --> 02:50:42,510
52, 72.

4889
02:50:44,950 --> 02:50:48,390
Brittany Miller in Trinidad, Colorado, 52, 72.

4890
02:50:49,730 --> 02:50:54,290
Josiah Thomas in Ankeny, Iowa, 51.

4891
02:50:55,230 --> 02:50:59,290
Kate Myers actually is a switcheroo for Steve.

4892
02:51:01,450 --> 02:51:06,310
Or Booper of Noses, as you'd know him,

4893
02:51:06,510 --> 02:51:07,310
she says.

4894
02:51:07,830 --> 02:51:09,250
That means he's one of those guys that,

4895
02:51:09,390 --> 02:51:10,850
you know, hey, look, you got a stain

4896
02:51:10,850 --> 02:51:11,290
on your shirt.

4897
02:51:11,370 --> 02:51:12,330
Oh, your nose.

4898
02:51:13,510 --> 02:51:17,830
Kate Myers in Williamston, Booper, actually of Williamston,

4899
02:51:17,830 --> 02:51:19,090
New Jersey, 50, 23.

4900
02:51:19,210 --> 02:51:20,550
Now the rest were already in a $50

4901
02:51:20,550 --> 02:51:21,970
donor's name and location.

4902
02:51:22,170 --> 02:51:24,210
The few that are on here will start

4903
02:51:24,210 --> 02:51:26,350
with Stephen Ray in Spokane, Washington.

4904
02:51:26,950 --> 02:51:28,610
Edward Misurik in Memphis, Tennessee.

4905
02:51:28,730 --> 02:51:31,030
Ray Howard in Kremling, Colorado.

4906
02:51:31,570 --> 02:51:33,970
William Kidwell in Dover, Delaware.

4907
02:51:34,690 --> 02:51:37,530
Julie Brenneman in Marshall, Illinois.

4908
02:51:37,770 --> 02:51:39,690
And last in the short list is Chris

4909
02:51:39,690 --> 02:51:44,070
Scooter, Scouter, Scouter, S-C-O-U-T

4910
02:51:44,070 --> 02:51:47,550
-E-R in Lower Hutt, New Zealand.

4911
02:51:48,590 --> 02:51:49,210
Well, that's nice.

4912
02:51:49,330 --> 02:51:51,230
You need some house selling karma and you

4913
02:51:51,230 --> 02:51:53,190
were given maybe that if you feel like

4914
02:51:53,190 --> 02:51:53,630
it at the end.

4915
02:51:53,690 --> 02:51:55,070
And we do need a de-douching back

4916
02:51:55,070 --> 02:51:55,230
here.

4917
02:51:55,310 --> 02:51:56,230
I saw I just saw it.

4918
02:51:56,330 --> 02:52:01,050
Julie Brenneman says she needs a de-douching

4919
02:52:01,050 --> 02:52:02,590
for the holiday season.

4920
02:52:04,430 --> 02:52:06,090
You've been de-douched.

4921
02:52:06,630 --> 02:52:08,750
This actually was a donation that this husband

4922
02:52:08,750 --> 02:52:10,370
gave and Julie got on the list.

4923
02:52:11,250 --> 02:52:12,770
But she needs the both.

4924
02:52:12,770 --> 02:52:14,950
They both are douchebags, according to him, and

4925
02:52:14,950 --> 02:52:15,990
she got the de-douching.

4926
02:52:16,090 --> 02:52:16,850
She's good to go.

4927
02:52:17,050 --> 02:52:19,530
And Chris Schouler says that it has been

4928
02:52:19,530 --> 02:52:21,690
years since he mugged me on the way

4929
02:52:21,690 --> 02:52:22,930
to the MeVeo office.

4930
02:52:24,790 --> 02:52:26,410
I don't remember being mugged.

4931
02:52:27,270 --> 02:52:28,070
Where's this?

4932
02:52:28,610 --> 02:52:29,710
That's Chris Schouler.

4933
02:52:29,850 --> 02:52:30,950
His note there from New Zealand.

4934
02:52:31,090 --> 02:52:32,270
He said, Adam and John, it's been years

4935
02:52:32,270 --> 02:52:33,910
since I mugged Adam on the way to

4936
02:52:33,910 --> 02:52:35,670
the MeVeo office, but I'm still here.

4937
02:52:36,850 --> 02:52:37,090
Hmm.

4938
02:52:38,270 --> 02:52:39,470
Did you get robbed?

4939
02:52:39,470 --> 02:52:40,850
I don't recall.

4940
02:52:41,050 --> 02:52:42,710
But there was a lot of weed in

4941
02:52:42,710 --> 02:52:44,250
my life back then, so I don't know.

4942
02:52:44,350 --> 02:52:44,890
It could have happened.

4943
02:52:44,990 --> 02:52:46,390
Hey, man, take it.

4944
02:52:51,530 --> 02:52:54,250
Thank you very much to these supporters, these

4945
02:52:54,250 --> 02:52:57,230
donors, these value for value producers who support

4946
02:52:57,230 --> 02:52:58,670
us for episode 1719.

4947
02:52:58,850 --> 02:53:00,870
Again, thanks to all who came in under

4948
02:53:00,870 --> 02:53:02,530
$50 for reasons of anonymity.

4949
02:53:02,610 --> 02:53:04,710
Or if you're doing one of those no

4950
02:53:04,710 --> 02:53:07,370
agenda sustaining donations, they are very much appreciated

4951
02:53:07,370 --> 02:53:09,690
and help us get through these slower moments.

4952
02:53:10,330 --> 02:53:12,050
It's no agenda donations dot com.

4953
02:53:12,150 --> 02:53:14,050
Any amount, any frequency, you make it up

4954
02:53:14,050 --> 02:53:14,330
yourself.

4955
02:53:14,450 --> 02:53:15,530
That's the good news about it.

4956
02:53:15,530 --> 02:53:16,970
You can start stop whenever you want.

4957
02:53:17,030 --> 02:53:18,470
No agenda donations dot com.

4958
02:53:18,770 --> 02:53:20,150
Here's the car Maz requested.

4959
02:53:20,290 --> 02:53:21,650
You've got karma.

4960
02:53:21,810 --> 02:53:24,830
Once again, no agenda donations dot com.

4961
02:53:30,490 --> 02:53:33,030
And we do have a couple of birthdays

4962
02:53:33,030 --> 02:53:33,670
on the list.

4963
02:53:33,750 --> 02:53:35,110
We have Kate Myers.

4964
02:53:35,110 --> 02:53:37,290
We just heard we see her husband, Steve,

4965
02:53:37,570 --> 02:53:39,130
a.k.a. Booper of Nose is a

4966
02:53:39,130 --> 02:53:39,670
happy birthday.

4967
02:53:39,790 --> 02:53:43,310
He turned 40 on this on December 6th.

4968
02:53:43,470 --> 02:53:46,010
Andrew turned 55 yesterday and he's about to

4969
02:53:46,010 --> 02:53:46,550
become a knight.

4970
02:53:46,670 --> 02:53:49,810
And Paul Saltzman, who's been a longtime supporter,

4971
02:53:49,930 --> 02:53:51,510
he celebrates on December 10th.

4972
02:53:51,530 --> 02:53:53,150
So we say happy birthday to everybody here

4973
02:53:53,150 --> 02:53:55,150
from the best podcast in the universe.

4974
02:53:56,190 --> 02:53:57,990
We do not have any titles today, but

4975
02:53:57,990 --> 02:53:59,610
we do have a doctorate.

4976
02:53:59,930 --> 02:54:02,590
We have a brand new doctorate of education.

4977
02:54:02,590 --> 02:54:05,030
This goes to William Grantham.

4978
02:54:05,170 --> 02:54:07,750
William, you are now here by an official

4979
02:54:07,750 --> 02:54:13,610
doctor of education specializing in climate change studies.

4980
02:54:14,010 --> 02:54:14,490
Congratulations.

4981
02:54:17,940 --> 02:54:19,980
And you can go to no agenda rings

4982
02:54:19,980 --> 02:54:20,680
dot com.

4983
02:54:20,800 --> 02:54:22,260
That is where anyone can go take a

4984
02:54:22,260 --> 02:54:24,960
look for their handsome knight or dame rings.

4985
02:54:25,180 --> 02:54:26,800
And that's also where you let us know

4986
02:54:26,800 --> 02:54:29,380
what you want on your doctorate of education

4987
02:54:29,380 --> 02:54:31,060
and where you want it sent.

4988
02:54:31,120 --> 02:54:32,480
And we'll be happy to take care of

4989
02:54:32,480 --> 02:54:32,980
that for you.

4990
02:54:32,980 --> 02:54:34,220
And we do have a couple of knights

4991
02:54:34,220 --> 02:54:36,100
who will be receiving rings today.

4992
02:54:36,240 --> 02:54:38,240
If you can give me a couple of

4993
02:54:38,240 --> 02:54:38,800
knights blade.

4994
02:54:38,960 --> 02:54:39,520
There we got three.

4995
02:54:39,840 --> 02:54:40,880
A couple of knights blade.

4996
02:54:41,100 --> 02:54:41,320
Beautiful.

4997
02:54:42,020 --> 02:54:46,660
Here he is, William Grantham, Jacob and Andrew.

4998
02:54:47,000 --> 02:54:48,900
All three of you gentlemen are about to

4999
02:54:48,900 --> 02:54:50,660
become knights of the no agenda round table.

5000
02:54:50,840 --> 02:54:53,360
I am very proud to pronounce the as

5001
02:54:53,360 --> 02:54:56,660
Sir Plussage of the Wind River Valley.

5002
02:54:56,880 --> 02:54:59,340
Sir Jacob, dearly loved refugee of room six

5003
02:54:59,340 --> 02:55:01,840
and prized resident of the county far above

5004
02:55:01,840 --> 02:55:03,260
the chemtrails.

5005
02:55:03,280 --> 02:55:05,740
That is our posthumous knight and Sir Fred

5006
02:55:05,740 --> 02:55:06,120
Pound.

5007
02:55:06,480 --> 02:55:08,460
For you, we have the customary hookers and

5008
02:55:08,460 --> 02:55:10,000
blow rent boys and chardonnay.

5009
02:55:10,440 --> 02:55:14,680
We also have prostitutes and cigars, Bacardi 151

5010
02:55:14,680 --> 02:55:17,820
and coke, smoked brisket and for dessert a

5011
02:55:17,820 --> 02:55:18,240
canape.

5012
02:55:18,660 --> 02:55:21,080
Along with that sparkling cider escort, ginger ale

5013
02:55:21,080 --> 02:55:23,260
and gerbils, fresh milk and pavloman, of course,

5014
02:55:23,780 --> 02:55:25,340
the requisite mutton and mead.

5015
02:55:25,420 --> 02:55:26,900
Go to no agenda rings dot com.

5016
02:55:27,340 --> 02:55:29,240
We'll be happy to send it off to

5017
02:55:29,240 --> 02:55:29,380
you.

5018
02:55:29,440 --> 02:55:31,200
Just let us know what size, what address.

5019
02:55:31,200 --> 02:55:33,880
And with that comes official wax.

5020
02:55:34,040 --> 02:55:37,380
Yes, wax, you can melt onto your correspondence

5021
02:55:37,380 --> 02:55:39,420
and seal it with this night ring, which

5022
02:55:39,420 --> 02:55:40,540
is a signet ring.

5023
02:55:41,140 --> 02:55:43,560
And with that, always a certificate of authenticity.

5024
02:55:43,800 --> 02:55:45,180
And thank you all very much for supporting

5025
02:55:45,180 --> 02:55:46,920
the best podcast in the universe.

5026
02:55:47,160 --> 02:55:49,880
No agenda meet up.

5027
02:55:52,160 --> 02:55:57,100
Yeah, we don't have a long meet up

5028
02:55:57,100 --> 02:55:58,800
list today, but we do have a number

5029
02:55:58,800 --> 02:56:00,140
of reports that came in.

5030
02:56:00,140 --> 02:56:01,820
The first one is from the Ottawa meet

5031
02:56:01,820 --> 02:56:01,940
up.

5032
02:56:02,020 --> 02:56:03,440
They said that a pretty good turnout in

5033
02:56:03,440 --> 02:56:05,400
the second Ottawa meet up, considering the typical

5034
02:56:05,400 --> 02:56:08,060
Ottawa snowstorm that was happening and getting worse.

5035
02:56:08,380 --> 02:56:10,940
Some fresh faces joined and a toddler came

5036
02:56:10,940 --> 02:56:12,420
as well by itself.

5037
02:56:12,520 --> 02:56:13,500
There's the toddler drive.

5038
02:56:14,100 --> 02:56:16,040
I see why John enjoys having kids at

5039
02:56:16,040 --> 02:56:16,520
the meet up.

5040
02:56:17,620 --> 02:56:18,840
Yeah, I guess they're fun.

5041
02:56:19,680 --> 02:56:21,280
Thank you both for all you do again.

5042
02:56:21,340 --> 02:56:22,700
I hope this meet up helps the show

5043
02:56:22,700 --> 02:56:24,020
in some way, the Ottawa meet up.

5044
02:56:24,140 --> 02:56:27,980
And then we have the Goleta California meet

5045
02:56:27,980 --> 02:56:28,080
up.

5046
02:56:29,020 --> 02:56:31,000
ITM, Buzzkill and Crackpot.

5047
02:56:31,140 --> 02:56:33,120
This is the 805 meet up in Goleta,

5048
02:56:33,320 --> 02:56:33,920
California.

5049
02:56:34,520 --> 02:56:36,240
And this is Dame Bang Bang.

5050
02:56:36,640 --> 02:56:37,940
JD Anymouse here.

5051
02:56:38,500 --> 02:56:39,760
Out of the way, you swine.

5052
02:56:39,920 --> 02:56:41,180
A podcaster's coming.

5053
02:56:41,400 --> 02:56:42,520
This is Gabriel.

5054
02:56:42,900 --> 02:56:44,580
Thank you for hitting me in the mouth.

5055
02:56:45,040 --> 02:56:47,440
Introducing my smoking hot wife.

5056
02:56:47,520 --> 02:56:47,920
Kelly.

5057
02:56:48,320 --> 02:56:48,740
Hi.

5058
02:56:49,520 --> 02:56:50,620
Merry Christmas.

5059
02:56:51,180 --> 02:56:53,120
And Sir DH Slammer out here on the

5060
02:56:53,120 --> 02:56:55,080
patio where the occupancy is 33.

5061
02:56:55,080 --> 02:56:56,480
ITM boys.

5062
02:56:56,820 --> 02:56:59,860
Merry Christmas in the morning.

5063
02:57:00,160 --> 02:57:01,100
Go edit it in post.

5064
02:57:01,640 --> 02:57:02,320
Yeah, very good.

5065
02:57:02,460 --> 02:57:04,420
And then we have the Gitmo Brats and

5066
02:57:04,420 --> 02:57:06,880
Festive Hats.

5067
02:57:07,120 --> 02:57:08,700
This was Gladewater, Texas.

5068
02:57:09,000 --> 02:57:11,980
This is Rudy reporting for the No Agenda

5069
02:57:12,520 --> 02:57:14,400
Gitmo Brats and Festive Hats meet up.

5070
02:57:14,600 --> 02:57:17,500
Passing the mic around for today's report.

5071
02:57:18,280 --> 02:57:20,960
This is Dirty Jersey Gore from the international

5072
02:57:21,840 --> 02:57:23,560
meet up here in Gladewater, Texas.

5073
02:57:23,960 --> 02:57:24,940
Y'all be good.

5074
02:57:25,120 --> 02:57:26,960
This is Crypto Andy reporting.

5075
02:57:27,560 --> 02:57:30,600
Bitcoin hit 100, over 100,000 just two

5076
02:57:30,600 --> 02:57:31,100
days ago.

5077
02:57:31,720 --> 02:57:32,540
Crazy time.

5078
02:57:32,980 --> 02:57:33,420
2025.

5079
02:57:34,280 --> 02:57:35,020
This is the Boone.

5080
02:57:35,760 --> 02:57:39,280
Obviously, an international addition to the Gladewater family

5081
02:57:39,280 --> 02:57:39,520
here.

5082
02:57:40,300 --> 02:57:42,440
Very exciting to see what's going on here.

5083
02:57:43,080 --> 02:57:45,120
Wishing everybody the best of luck with their

5084
02:57:45,120 --> 02:57:46,040
future investments.

5085
02:57:47,340 --> 02:57:47,980
Talk to you soon.

5086
02:57:48,060 --> 02:57:48,500
Next time.

5087
02:57:48,740 --> 02:57:49,500
Carpe Diem.

5088
02:57:49,840 --> 02:57:51,620
Glad to see Bitcoin over 100,000.

5089
02:57:51,620 --> 02:57:52,760
Glad to be here.

5090
02:57:53,400 --> 02:57:55,160
And Merry Christmas to everybody.

5091
02:57:55,660 --> 02:57:58,220
This is Dirty Jersey escaping from China to

5092
02:57:58,220 --> 02:57:59,640
Hui Hui.

5093
02:58:00,200 --> 02:58:02,360
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

5094
02:58:02,780 --> 02:58:04,020
In the morning.

5095
02:58:04,720 --> 02:58:05,580
And thank you for your courage.

5096
02:58:05,700 --> 02:58:06,820
And thank you for your courage.

5097
02:58:06,880 --> 02:58:07,100
Indeed.

5098
02:58:07,300 --> 02:58:10,340
Then we have the Wageningen meet up in

5099
02:58:10,340 --> 02:58:10,860
the Netherlands.

5100
02:58:11,180 --> 02:58:13,060
They called it the WEF Food Hub.

5101
02:58:13,700 --> 02:58:15,680
Those guys are always dark and dank over

5102
02:58:15,680 --> 02:58:15,940
there.

5103
02:58:15,980 --> 02:58:19,020
And now it's time for the meet up

5104
02:58:19,020 --> 02:58:23,220
report of the WEF Food Hub meet up.

5105
02:58:23,240 --> 02:58:26,660
From the Wageningen Frankenfood Valley.

5106
02:58:26,820 --> 02:58:28,760
Frank, a.k.a. Mike in the morning.

5107
02:58:29,180 --> 02:58:30,160
Super cozy here.

5108
02:58:30,460 --> 02:58:32,640
This is Roland in the morning.

5109
02:58:33,560 --> 02:58:34,400
Mike here.

5110
02:58:34,540 --> 02:58:37,420
Here, Joe Derks from Six Feet Thunder.

5111
02:58:38,040 --> 02:58:39,260
Very cozy meet up.

5112
02:58:39,280 --> 02:58:40,580
Hey, this is Natalia.

5113
02:58:40,800 --> 02:58:43,840
I'm going to fast for four days tomorrow.

5114
02:58:44,000 --> 02:58:46,220
So I ate three burgers.

5115
02:58:48,220 --> 02:58:50,100
Yes, from Amsterdam.

5116
02:58:50,320 --> 02:58:51,160
Where is Zwarte Piet?

5117
02:58:51,260 --> 02:58:52,040
Yes, what should I say now?

5118
02:58:53,860 --> 02:58:55,600
The Schimmel balls are pretty tasty.

5119
02:58:55,780 --> 02:58:56,340
In the morning.

5120
02:58:56,780 --> 02:58:57,960
In the morning.

5121
02:58:58,780 --> 02:59:01,680
Yes, you notice the term Gezellig there.

5122
02:59:01,900 --> 02:59:04,040
John Gezellig, a very typical Dutch word.

5123
02:59:04,220 --> 02:59:05,380
It's untranslatable.

5124
02:59:05,620 --> 02:59:07,500
Gezellig is what it is at the WEF

5125
02:59:07,500 --> 02:59:07,920
Food Hub.

5126
02:59:08,040 --> 02:59:10,120
And finally, the biggest meet up.

5127
02:59:10,360 --> 02:59:10,640
Yes.

5128
02:59:10,740 --> 02:59:11,480
You want to say something?

5129
02:59:12,020 --> 02:59:14,240
No, I just said, hmm, hmm.

5130
02:59:14,240 --> 02:59:17,800
The biggest meet up we have consistently with

5131
02:59:17,800 --> 02:59:19,640
a very snappy, fast report.

5132
02:59:19,780 --> 02:59:21,360
But man, there's a lot of people in

5133
02:59:21,360 --> 02:59:21,680
Indy.

5134
02:59:21,760 --> 02:59:23,120
Hi, this is Sir Mark.

5135
02:59:23,260 --> 02:59:24,540
And this is Dame Maria.

5136
02:59:24,800 --> 02:59:26,760
And we had a fantastic meet up with

5137
02:59:26,760 --> 02:59:28,140
a couple of fly-ins.

5138
02:59:28,300 --> 02:59:29,140
One, one drove in.

5139
02:59:29,320 --> 02:59:30,400
One came in from North Carolina.

5140
02:59:30,600 --> 02:59:31,160
Very cool.

5141
02:59:31,280 --> 02:59:33,700
And we are so thankful for you, Adam

5142
02:59:33,700 --> 02:59:34,220
and John.

5143
02:59:34,360 --> 02:59:35,220
Happy Thanksgiving.

5144
02:59:35,660 --> 02:59:37,840
In the morning, John and Adam, Sir PBR

5145
02:59:37,840 --> 02:59:40,360
Street Gang, working on my Dutch master degree

5146
02:59:40,360 --> 02:59:41,580
here in Indianapolis.

5147
02:59:41,580 --> 02:59:43,820
In the morning, Dame Trinity, having a great

5148
02:59:43,820 --> 02:59:45,020
time in Indy as always.

5149
02:59:45,180 --> 02:59:46,020
Thank you for your courage.

5150
02:59:46,320 --> 02:59:48,280
This is Sir Cyclopath from Charlotte, North Carolina,

5151
02:59:48,440 --> 02:59:50,340
who came to Indianapolis just to give my

5152
02:59:50,340 --> 02:59:50,620
tip.

5153
02:59:50,740 --> 02:59:51,520
Brewski here.

5154
02:59:51,680 --> 02:59:53,820
This is a great meet up at the

5155
02:59:53,820 --> 02:59:54,840
Broad Ripple Tavern.

5156
02:59:55,200 --> 02:59:57,240
Shout out to Millennial Media Offensive.

5157
02:59:57,900 --> 02:59:58,300
Brrrr!

5158
02:59:58,480 --> 03:00:00,120
Hey, this is Emily, your shufflecrack spook.

5159
03:00:00,280 --> 03:00:02,560
And can we do better than Doge?

5160
03:00:02,740 --> 03:00:03,840
That's a silly billing.

5161
03:00:04,040 --> 03:00:05,000
We can do better than that.

5162
03:00:05,060 --> 03:00:06,180
So my name is Molly.

5163
03:00:06,440 --> 03:00:08,420
I was here at my local watering hole.

5164
03:00:08,640 --> 03:00:10,560
I see this group next to me.

5165
03:00:10,560 --> 03:00:12,420
Very rowdy, ruthless.

5166
03:00:12,880 --> 03:00:16,420
And I get asked to choose, like, your

5167
03:00:16,420 --> 03:00:17,740
raffle ticket, yeah.

5168
03:00:18,020 --> 03:00:19,720
Very happy to oblige.

5169
03:00:19,940 --> 03:00:21,780
Had a great time with these folks.

5170
03:00:22,100 --> 03:00:23,080
What a great group of people.

5171
03:00:23,340 --> 03:00:24,920
In the morning, I am Sir Ripover the

5172
03:00:24,920 --> 03:00:25,300
Mifle.

5173
03:00:25,460 --> 03:00:27,460
And I want to wish John and Adam,

5174
03:00:27,620 --> 03:00:30,080
all the producers, a very happy Thanksgiving.

5175
03:00:30,360 --> 03:00:31,980
And a Merry Christmas and a Happy New

5176
03:00:31,980 --> 03:00:33,640
Year, because I won't be speaking again until

5177
03:00:33,640 --> 03:00:34,040
February.

5178
03:00:34,260 --> 03:00:36,420
In the morning, this is Sparrow, a.k

5179
03:00:36,420 --> 03:00:40,560
.a. Reporting on-site from this no-agenda

5180
03:00:40,560 --> 03:00:41,080
meetup.

5181
03:00:41,180 --> 03:00:43,620
A happy report, there's only moderate subversive activity

5182
03:00:43,620 --> 03:00:44,940
occurring during this meetup.

5183
03:00:45,080 --> 03:00:45,820
Sparrow out.

5184
03:00:46,260 --> 03:00:48,160
In the morning, Dame Swaney.

5185
03:00:48,300 --> 03:00:51,320
Sir Betty, and I'm looking for Max Buffer.

5186
03:00:51,560 --> 03:00:52,720
I can't find him.

5187
03:00:52,800 --> 03:00:55,480
Broadcasting live from the Moonlight Lounge, this is

5188
03:00:55,480 --> 03:00:57,200
Newbie Dave in Indianapolis.

5189
03:00:57,400 --> 03:00:58,080
In the morning.

5190
03:00:58,340 --> 03:01:01,020
This is Mike from the Easy Peasy podcast.

5191
03:01:01,320 --> 03:01:04,200
If protection is connection, why does nobody have

5192
03:01:04,200 --> 03:01:04,740
a condom?

5193
03:01:04,940 --> 03:01:06,200
Oh, I have a condom.

5194
03:01:06,200 --> 03:01:08,680
Dear Santa, this is Nick, and this year

5195
03:01:08,680 --> 03:01:09,980
I won an Octocopter.

5196
03:01:10,160 --> 03:01:11,960
Hi, I'm Brooke, I'm with the Vaudeville Tavern.

5197
03:01:12,240 --> 03:01:13,980
I served the no-agenda meetup today, and

5198
03:01:13,980 --> 03:01:15,000
they were great.

5199
03:01:15,180 --> 03:01:18,140
In the morning, happy Thanksgiving.

5200
03:01:19,460 --> 03:01:21,260
I love it when they bring in the

5201
03:01:21,260 --> 03:01:21,580
servers.

5202
03:01:22,160 --> 03:01:24,200
Everybody should have their server in the meetup,

5203
03:01:24,260 --> 03:01:25,380
and hit them in the mouth while you're

5204
03:01:25,380 --> 03:01:25,600
at it.

5205
03:01:25,660 --> 03:01:27,360
And if you want to go to a

5206
03:01:27,360 --> 03:01:30,860
meetup today, and you're in Denver, Colorado, Lincoln's

5207
03:01:30,860 --> 03:01:33,060
Roadhouse will be host of the Denver Christmas

5208
03:01:33,060 --> 03:01:38,660
Kwanzaa Kandunuka meetup, 6.30. And the fourth

5209
03:01:38,660 --> 03:01:42,240
amygdala checkup, 7.33. It's Amsterdam time.

5210
03:01:42,260 --> 03:01:43,380
Oh, I guess they're already underway.

5211
03:01:43,580 --> 03:01:45,960
They're probably done in Leiden, the Netherlands.

5212
03:01:46,140 --> 03:01:47,680
Well, we expect a meetup report from them.

5213
03:01:47,780 --> 03:01:48,500
Thank you all very much.

5214
03:01:48,860 --> 03:01:51,840
Many more on the calendar at noagendameetups.com.

5215
03:01:51,940 --> 03:01:53,380
Connection is indeed protection.

5216
03:01:53,520 --> 03:01:55,420
These people will be your first responders in

5217
03:01:55,420 --> 03:01:55,880
an emergency.

5218
03:01:56,400 --> 03:01:57,360
Go to a meetup.

5219
03:01:57,440 --> 03:01:58,880
If you can't find one near you at

5220
03:01:58,880 --> 03:02:01,180
noagendameetups.com, start one yourself.

5221
03:02:01,220 --> 03:02:04,040
♪ Sometimes you wanna go hang out ♪

5222
03:02:04,040 --> 03:02:07,920
♪ With all the nights and days ♪

5223
03:02:07,920 --> 03:02:10,120
♪ You wanna be where you want to

5224
03:02:10,120 --> 03:02:11,780
be ♪ ♪ Trick or treat or hell

5225
03:02:11,780 --> 03:02:14,720
to claim ♪ ♪ You wanna be where

5226
03:02:14,720 --> 03:02:19,840
everybody feels the same ♪ It's like a

5227
03:02:19,840 --> 03:02:20,320
party.

5228
03:02:21,000 --> 03:02:23,540
Yeah, like a party.

5229
03:02:23,940 --> 03:02:24,820
They are like a party.

5230
03:02:25,000 --> 03:02:26,660
They sound like parties, actually.

5231
03:02:27,020 --> 03:02:27,900
It is a party.

5232
03:02:28,000 --> 03:02:28,980
It's always a party.

5233
03:02:30,200 --> 03:02:32,260
I don't think I've done very well with

5234
03:02:32,260 --> 03:02:32,840
ISOs.

5235
03:02:32,880 --> 03:02:34,820
Again, I know I'm not doing well.

5236
03:02:34,820 --> 03:02:36,560
Yeah, this has been going on for a

5237
03:02:36,560 --> 03:02:36,980
month now.

5238
03:02:36,980 --> 03:02:39,560
I know, I'm in an ISO glutch.

5239
03:02:39,940 --> 03:02:41,160
Glutch, no, gulch.

5240
03:02:41,320 --> 03:02:42,100
ISO gulch.

5241
03:02:42,980 --> 03:02:43,920
It's just a glut.

5242
03:02:43,980 --> 03:02:44,560
No, it is a glut.

5243
03:02:44,680 --> 03:02:45,500
It's an ISO glut.

5244
03:02:46,140 --> 03:02:47,100
I'm not doing well.

5245
03:02:47,220 --> 03:02:48,840
No, glut means there's excessive.

5246
03:02:49,440 --> 03:02:52,080
No, then what is when I'm in a

5247
03:02:52,080 --> 03:02:52,340
dip?

5248
03:02:52,600 --> 03:02:53,140
An ISO dip.

5249
03:02:53,180 --> 03:02:53,400
Slump.

5250
03:02:53,640 --> 03:02:54,500
You're in a slump.

5251
03:02:54,680 --> 03:02:55,960
I'm in a ISO slump.

5252
03:02:56,300 --> 03:02:56,880
That's it.

5253
03:02:57,420 --> 03:02:58,300
So here's my one.

5254
03:02:58,300 --> 03:03:01,340
Full of facts and just great journalism.

5255
03:03:02,240 --> 03:03:02,960
I know.

5256
03:03:03,060 --> 03:03:04,200
It's actually not bad.

5257
03:03:04,420 --> 03:03:05,540
It's okay, it's okay.

5258
03:03:05,580 --> 03:03:06,520
I'd love it to be these.

5259
03:03:06,620 --> 03:03:07,120
I got two.

5260
03:03:09,500 --> 03:03:09,980
Dipshit.

5261
03:03:10,800 --> 03:03:11,940
Goodbye, dipshits.

5262
03:03:13,800 --> 03:03:17,300
Yeah, yeah, that's gonna beat my, I'm removing

5263
03:03:17,300 --> 03:03:18,680
mine from the lineup already.

5264
03:03:18,840 --> 03:03:19,600
What's your next one?

5265
03:03:20,220 --> 03:03:20,680
Expect.

5266
03:03:21,420 --> 03:03:22,380
What did you expect?

5267
03:03:22,580 --> 03:03:23,460
We are done.

5268
03:03:24,520 --> 03:03:25,280
No, no, no.

5269
03:03:25,300 --> 03:03:26,200
Goodbye, dipshits.

5270
03:03:26,260 --> 03:03:26,920
That's the one.

5271
03:03:26,920 --> 03:03:28,520
There's no doubt about it.

5272
03:03:28,600 --> 03:03:30,000
That's definitely the one.

5273
03:03:30,180 --> 03:03:30,700
I like it.

5274
03:03:30,740 --> 03:03:31,300
Very good.

5275
03:03:33,400 --> 03:03:36,360
Do you wanna have the conversation about the

5276
03:03:36,360 --> 03:03:38,680
meeting now before we get into the jingle?

5277
03:03:38,860 --> 03:03:39,620
Or what do you wanna do?

5278
03:03:39,720 --> 03:03:43,080
Because this was a little troubling for me.

5279
03:03:44,120 --> 03:03:48,300
Yes, the idea is that in the tips

5280
03:03:48,300 --> 03:03:52,820
of the day jingle within the jingle, Dana

5281
03:03:52,820 --> 03:03:55,580
Brunetti, our Hollywood guy.

5282
03:03:56,160 --> 03:04:01,100
Hollywood producer of films like 50 Shades of

5283
03:04:01,100 --> 03:04:04,460
Grey and House of Cards and 50 Shades

5284
03:04:04,460 --> 03:04:06,960
of Greyer, which was even more raunchy.

5285
03:04:06,960 --> 03:04:09,280
Well, he also did Captain So-and-so

5286
03:04:09,280 --> 03:04:12,260
and he did about 10 good films.

5287
03:04:12,460 --> 03:04:12,680
Good.

5288
03:04:13,180 --> 03:04:15,600
Yeah, but everyone knows him from 50 Shades

5289
03:04:15,600 --> 03:04:15,960
of Grey.

5290
03:04:16,080 --> 03:04:16,680
Let's be honest.

5291
03:04:16,840 --> 03:04:17,860
That's the movie that everybody knows.

5292
03:04:17,860 --> 03:04:18,980
Well, that's where he got all his money.

5293
03:04:19,140 --> 03:04:19,860
Yes, exactly.

5294
03:04:20,180 --> 03:04:21,240
It's dirty money.

5295
03:04:21,340 --> 03:04:22,500
He's very ashamed of this, by the way.

5296
03:04:22,520 --> 03:04:22,900
Yeah, he should be.

5297
03:04:23,000 --> 03:04:23,800
It's dirty money.

5298
03:04:25,000 --> 03:04:26,720
Dirty money for a dirty film.

5299
03:04:26,940 --> 03:04:28,800
Yes, dirty money for a dirty film.

5300
03:04:28,960 --> 03:04:31,640
Yeah, so Dana Brunetti called you.

5301
03:04:31,720 --> 03:04:33,480
He never calls me and he did not

5302
03:04:33,480 --> 03:04:35,340
back channel me on this one, which is

5303
03:04:35,340 --> 03:04:36,360
odd for a Hollywood guy.

5304
03:04:36,360 --> 03:04:37,780
I find that to be peculiar.

5305
03:04:38,020 --> 03:04:39,460
Yes, odd for a Hollywood guy.

5306
03:04:39,920 --> 03:04:42,780
He wants creative credit for the tip of

5307
03:04:42,780 --> 03:04:44,500
the day because it was his idea.

5308
03:04:45,040 --> 03:04:46,280
This doesn't- And he wants us to

5309
03:04:46,280 --> 03:04:48,580
slip it into the jingle and there's a

5310
03:04:48,580 --> 03:04:50,020
spot where it gets slipped in, I'm going

5311
03:04:50,020 --> 03:04:51,060
to produce this.

5312
03:04:52,840 --> 03:04:54,640
It's going to take a while because there's

5313
03:04:54,640 --> 03:04:57,140
so much work to produce these- Hold

5314
03:04:57,140 --> 03:04:57,640
on, stop.

5315
03:04:59,200 --> 03:05:01,680
Why does he, I mean, there are lots

5316
03:05:01,680 --> 03:05:03,260
of people who've created things.

5317
03:05:03,360 --> 03:05:05,000
How come he- He says he gets

5318
03:05:05,000 --> 03:05:06,500
paid the big bucks to come up with

5319
03:05:06,500 --> 03:05:08,460
these ideas and we haven't even given him,

5320
03:05:08,560 --> 03:05:09,500
barely given him credit.

5321
03:05:10,060 --> 03:05:12,680
He's very offended by the whole situation.

5322
03:05:13,560 --> 03:05:15,640
Something else has got to be going on

5323
03:05:15,640 --> 03:05:16,140
with Dana.

5324
03:05:16,420 --> 03:05:18,780
I think he doesn't get mentioned enough.

5325
03:05:21,240 --> 03:05:22,980
No, I think that's it.

5326
03:05:23,100 --> 03:05:24,880
I think there's something else going on.

5327
03:05:25,060 --> 03:05:27,120
And the fact that he hasn't back-channeled

5328
03:05:27,120 --> 03:05:29,380
me means that I think he wants to

5329
03:05:29,380 --> 03:05:30,080
talk with me.

5330
03:05:31,300 --> 03:05:32,980
Oh, that could be, he wants to talk

5331
03:05:32,980 --> 03:05:33,220
to you.

5332
03:05:33,340 --> 03:05:34,580
Maybe he's got a project.

5333
03:05:35,080 --> 03:05:37,440
Here's, well, how about this thought?

5334
03:05:38,160 --> 03:05:41,160
One of the hottest categories right now in

5335
03:05:41,160 --> 03:05:43,680
movies, if you look at Angel Studios, they

5336
03:05:43,680 --> 03:05:45,060
got this new movie, Homestead.

5337
03:05:45,060 --> 03:05:48,340
Christian movies are hot now.

5338
03:05:49,200 --> 03:05:49,680
Yeah, they are.

5339
03:05:49,880 --> 03:05:51,580
And I think that Dana just doesn't know

5340
03:05:51,580 --> 03:05:53,540
anyone in the space and he's very worried

5341
03:05:53,540 --> 03:05:55,240
about his hedonistic projects.

5342
03:05:55,500 --> 03:05:58,360
And he wants some kind of a wheelbarrow

5343
03:05:58,360 --> 03:05:59,180
to get him in.

5344
03:05:59,680 --> 03:06:01,340
And I think he's looking, he's searching.

5345
03:06:01,820 --> 03:06:03,240
He's looking for me to help him to

5346
03:06:03,240 --> 03:06:04,300
get into this category.

5347
03:06:09,760 --> 03:06:12,460
It's within the realm of possibilities.

5348
03:06:13,020 --> 03:06:14,080
Dana, it's okay.

5349
03:06:14,540 --> 03:06:16,400
First of all, God loves you and I'll

5350
03:06:16,400 --> 03:06:17,180
be your God.

5351
03:06:17,440 --> 03:06:18,580
I'll be your guide.

5352
03:06:18,920 --> 03:06:19,500
No worries.

5353
03:06:19,700 --> 03:06:20,680
We'll take care of you.

5354
03:06:20,760 --> 03:06:21,500
You can call me.

5355
03:06:21,680 --> 03:06:22,400
We'll set it up.

5356
03:06:22,640 --> 03:06:24,660
And by the way, it's a killer category.

5357
03:06:24,840 --> 03:06:27,160
Now, ladies and gentlemen, created by the one

5358
03:06:27,160 --> 03:06:29,460
and only Dana Brunetti, it's John's tip of

5359
03:06:29,460 --> 03:06:29,960
the day.

5360
03:06:30,220 --> 03:06:33,080
♪ Great advice for you and me ♪

5361
03:06:33,080 --> 03:06:37,580
♪ Just a tip with JCD and sometimes

5362
03:06:37,580 --> 03:06:38,140
Adam.

5363
03:06:39,300 --> 03:06:40,660
♪ We're going to kill it.

5364
03:06:40,760 --> 03:06:42,000
We're going to do so well, Dana.

5365
03:06:42,040 --> 03:06:43,620
I'm excited about the opportunity.

5366
03:06:46,680 --> 03:06:47,120
Okay.

5367
03:06:47,840 --> 03:06:48,940
Well, this is what the tip is.

5368
03:06:49,060 --> 03:06:50,160
This is a screwy tip, but here it

5369
03:06:50,160 --> 03:06:50,440
is.

5370
03:06:51,300 --> 03:06:53,380
Oh, you're opening the tip of the day.

5371
03:06:54,540 --> 03:06:57,040
And I had qualms about this.

5372
03:06:57,160 --> 03:06:59,520
I have to say it's quite tasty, but

5373
03:06:59,520 --> 03:07:00,900
it is a liquid.

5374
03:07:01,300 --> 03:07:03,080
One of our producers said, you got drinking

5375
03:07:03,080 --> 03:07:04,040
the wrong stuff.

5376
03:07:04,320 --> 03:07:06,860
You want to drink a sparkling water that's

5377
03:07:06,860 --> 03:07:08,340
called liquid death.

5378
03:07:10,040 --> 03:07:10,480
Yes.

5379
03:07:11,200 --> 03:07:12,000
Who drinks?

5380
03:07:12,160 --> 03:07:13,840
Dave Jones was drinking this for a while.

5381
03:07:13,900 --> 03:07:15,560
My buddy, Dave Jones, liquid death.

5382
03:07:15,560 --> 03:07:15,800
Yes.

5383
03:07:15,840 --> 03:07:17,120
All the kids are drinking it.

5384
03:07:17,560 --> 03:07:19,060
And here, and I, so I'm at the

5385
03:07:19,060 --> 03:07:19,520
table.

5386
03:07:19,680 --> 03:07:21,680
I had, he sent me a couple of

5387
03:07:21,680 --> 03:07:22,560
cases of it.

5388
03:07:22,660 --> 03:07:24,100
You got cases from who?

5389
03:07:24,200 --> 03:07:24,420
Yeah.

5390
03:07:24,500 --> 03:07:25,260
From the liquid death people?

5391
03:07:25,280 --> 03:07:25,960
From our producer.

5392
03:07:26,120 --> 03:07:26,640
One of the producers.

5393
03:07:26,640 --> 03:07:27,620
I'm not going to tell you who it

5394
03:07:27,620 --> 03:07:28,860
is because now you're going to sponge them.

5395
03:07:29,020 --> 03:07:29,180
Oh.

5396
03:07:29,520 --> 03:07:29,840
So.

5397
03:07:30,520 --> 03:07:32,180
I'm too busy sponging Dana.

5398
03:07:32,320 --> 03:07:33,100
Don't worry about it.

5399
03:07:34,760 --> 03:07:36,460
You'll get a bit part before I do.

5400
03:07:36,600 --> 03:07:37,220
I will.

5401
03:07:40,260 --> 03:07:42,900
So, so I'm at the, we're having a

5402
03:07:42,900 --> 03:07:45,800
dinner, Brennan and Jay there, and I said,

5403
03:07:45,900 --> 03:07:47,420
I don't know why is anybody, because I

5404
03:07:47,420 --> 03:07:49,220
saw this stuff before, I said, who in

5405
03:07:49,220 --> 03:07:50,800
their right mind is going to buy a

5406
03:07:50,800 --> 03:07:52,480
product called liquid death?

5407
03:07:53,460 --> 03:07:56,100
It just sounds terrible, like a bad idea.

5408
03:07:57,000 --> 03:07:59,100
And so Brennan explained it to me, and

5409
03:07:59,100 --> 03:08:00,520
as soon as he said it, the logic

5410
03:08:00,520 --> 03:08:01,800
was so good I had to use it

5411
03:08:01,800 --> 03:08:02,520
as tip of the day.

5412
03:08:03,180 --> 03:08:04,520
For one thing, it comes in a big

5413
03:08:04,520 --> 03:08:05,840
16 ounce can.

5414
03:08:05,980 --> 03:08:07,980
It's not like a normal can of sparkling

5415
03:08:07,980 --> 03:08:08,340
water.

5416
03:08:08,560 --> 03:08:10,340
It's a huge can of sparkling water.

5417
03:08:10,660 --> 03:08:11,800
It looks like a beer.

5418
03:08:12,600 --> 03:08:12,720
Hmm.

5419
03:08:13,390 --> 03:08:15,500
And it's a drink that you have at

5420
03:08:15,500 --> 03:08:17,820
cocktail parties, so you hold a can of

5421
03:08:17,820 --> 03:08:20,100
this stuff, it says liquid death, and you

5422
03:08:20,100 --> 03:08:22,440
drink it like a beer, and you look

5423
03:08:22,440 --> 03:08:25,180
cool as opposed to just drinking some, you

5424
03:08:25,180 --> 03:08:26,380
know, sparkling water.

5425
03:08:26,540 --> 03:08:26,880
Well.

5426
03:08:27,040 --> 03:08:29,440
Because you're drinking liquid death at the party.

5427
03:08:29,640 --> 03:08:34,680
It's a cocktail party gag is what it

5428
03:08:34,680 --> 03:08:35,700
really amounts to.

5429
03:08:36,060 --> 03:08:38,180
From what I'm reading in the troll room,

5430
03:08:38,600 --> 03:08:41,520
liquid death, now this is interesting, and you

5431
03:08:41,520 --> 03:08:43,320
need to talk to your son-in-law

5432
03:08:43,320 --> 03:08:43,960
about this.

5433
03:08:44,900 --> 03:08:48,740
Liquid death is a huge sponsor on podcasts

5434
03:08:48,740 --> 03:08:50,820
that accept advertising.

5435
03:08:51,300 --> 03:08:54,680
Is it possible that this is, that Brennan

5436
03:08:54,680 --> 03:08:57,800
has somehow snuck in a native ad and

5437
03:08:57,800 --> 03:08:59,280
he's actually getting paid for this?

5438
03:09:00,040 --> 03:09:01,960
No, no, Brennan was unaware I even had

5439
03:09:01,960 --> 03:09:02,540
this stuff.

5440
03:09:02,900 --> 03:09:03,080
Huh.

5441
03:09:03,340 --> 03:09:04,800
The guy who sent it to me is

5442
03:09:04,800 --> 03:09:06,840
possibly, he could be working for the company

5443
03:09:06,840 --> 03:09:10,300
for all I know, and that's a possibility.

5444
03:09:10,420 --> 03:09:13,000
So they're getting a free, that's possible that

5445
03:09:13,000 --> 03:09:14,800
the liquid death people that support, I didn't

5446
03:09:14,800 --> 03:09:15,880
know this by the way, but I know

5447
03:09:15,880 --> 03:09:16,120
it now.

5448
03:09:16,140 --> 03:09:17,220
I didn't know it, I just read it.

5449
03:09:17,300 --> 03:09:17,400
I mean.

5450
03:09:17,580 --> 03:09:18,860
It's possibly I've been duped.

5451
03:09:19,060 --> 03:09:19,360
Yeah.

5452
03:09:20,140 --> 03:09:22,340
And I've been giving a free advertisement to

5453
03:09:22,340 --> 03:09:24,460
these guys, the liquid death guys, although we

5454
03:09:24,460 --> 03:09:27,020
give, our advertisements, and what we give, tell

5455
03:09:27,020 --> 03:09:29,720
people to do, is based on sincerity, not

5456
03:09:29,720 --> 03:09:30,140
payment.

5457
03:09:30,200 --> 03:09:32,560
We didn't get paid to do this, but

5458
03:09:32,560 --> 03:09:35,080
now having done it, I expect these guys

5459
03:09:35,080 --> 03:09:36,480
from liquid death to send us a couple

5460
03:09:36,480 --> 03:09:37,960
of cases, and you should get a few

5461
03:09:37,960 --> 03:09:38,200
too.

5462
03:09:38,740 --> 03:09:41,020
Thank you very much for creating this awesome

5463
03:09:41,020 --> 03:09:42,400
advertisement, Dana Brunetti.

5464
03:09:42,540 --> 03:09:43,540
Good work, everybody.

5465
03:09:43,660 --> 03:09:45,820
There's John's tip of the day.

5466
03:09:46,880 --> 03:09:50,300
Creative lives for you and me, just a

5467
03:09:50,300 --> 03:09:52,020
tip with JCD.

5468
03:09:52,080 --> 03:09:53,020
Created by Dana Brunetti.

5469
03:09:53,340 --> 03:09:56,040
And by the way, the liquid death sparkling

5470
03:09:56,040 --> 03:09:58,800
water, it is good, and it has a

5471
03:09:58,800 --> 03:10:00,860
nice, kind of a medium-sized bubble.

5472
03:10:01,100 --> 03:10:01,360
Okay.

5473
03:10:03,640 --> 03:10:06,080
Man, we got duped again, Dvorak.

5474
03:10:06,940 --> 03:10:08,760
We keep missing the boat on all of

5475
03:10:08,760 --> 03:10:09,260
this stuff.

5476
03:10:09,360 --> 03:10:10,260
I don't know how we do it.

5477
03:10:10,620 --> 03:10:11,060
You know why?

5478
03:10:11,140 --> 03:10:13,140
Because we're just here to provide a service

5479
03:10:13,140 --> 03:10:13,740
to people.

5480
03:10:14,300 --> 03:10:15,020
A public service.

5481
03:10:15,200 --> 03:10:17,760
We're too busy providing a public service to

5482
03:10:17,760 --> 03:10:20,460
spin you down and keep your world sane.

5483
03:10:21,020 --> 03:10:22,720
And all we ask is if you get

5484
03:10:22,720 --> 03:10:26,040
any value from this show, like you feel

5485
03:10:26,040 --> 03:10:30,520
sane, send it back to us, noagendadonations.com.

5486
03:10:30,620 --> 03:10:31,760
Time, talent, or treasure.

5487
03:10:32,520 --> 03:10:33,420
Or cases.

5488
03:10:33,460 --> 03:10:34,300
Or liquid death.

5489
03:10:34,380 --> 03:10:35,720
Or cases of liquid death.

5490
03:10:36,220 --> 03:10:38,460
Coming up next, we have end of show

5491
03:10:38,460 --> 03:10:38,860
mixes.

5492
03:10:39,020 --> 03:10:39,460
Let me see.

5493
03:10:39,620 --> 03:10:41,580
We have nothing new, by the way.

5494
03:10:41,680 --> 03:10:43,220
These are all evergreens.

5495
03:10:44,740 --> 03:10:46,220
We have Maddie J.

5496
03:10:46,680 --> 03:10:47,960
We've got Leo LePuck.

5497
03:10:48,540 --> 03:10:51,420
And we've got Brian Longenecker.

5498
03:10:51,540 --> 03:10:51,980
There you go.

5499
03:10:52,360 --> 03:10:55,980
Next up on No Agenda Stream, we've got

5500
03:10:55,980 --> 03:10:57,580
Fun Fact, oh no, we have, yes, Fun

5501
03:10:57,580 --> 03:10:58,160
Fact Friday.

5502
03:10:58,660 --> 03:11:01,020
The last one, the very last episode.

5503
03:11:01,280 --> 03:11:03,720
A new show, Everything's an Argument, coming up

5504
03:11:03,720 --> 03:11:04,000
next.

5505
03:11:04,000 --> 03:11:05,580
And I am coming to you from the

5506
03:11:05,580 --> 03:11:06,920
heart of the Texas Hill Country in the

5507
03:11:06,920 --> 03:11:07,600
morning, everybody.

5508
03:11:07,780 --> 03:11:08,380
I'm Adam Curry.

5509
03:11:08,600 --> 03:11:12,160
And from Northern Silicon Valley, where it's smoggy

5510
03:11:12,160 --> 03:11:14,080
out for some unknown reason, I'm John C.

5511
03:11:14,140 --> 03:11:14,480
Dvorak.

5512
03:11:15,120 --> 03:11:16,080
Noagendadonations.com.

5513
03:11:16,200 --> 03:11:18,000
Remember us there until Thursday.

5514
03:11:18,180 --> 03:11:20,560
Adios, mofos, a-hooey-hooey, and such.

5515
03:11:24,140 --> 03:11:26,920
They, I think, feel like they can't depend

5516
03:11:26,920 --> 03:11:27,720
on America.

5517
03:11:27,940 --> 03:11:29,400
They don't know what to expect.

5518
03:11:29,560 --> 03:11:32,340
And this is a global political crisis.

5519
03:11:33,540 --> 03:11:35,920
Lisa Lara, do you think it's that serious,

5520
03:11:36,120 --> 03:11:38,020
a global political crisis?

5521
03:11:38,260 --> 03:11:39,980
Or do you think people are just kind

5522
03:11:39,980 --> 03:11:45,200
of listening to the president and thinking, well,

5523
03:11:45,340 --> 03:11:47,580
you know, wait 15 minutes and see what

5524
03:11:47,580 --> 03:11:48,140
he says?

5525
03:11:48,380 --> 03:11:48,880
Oh, no.

5526
03:11:49,520 --> 03:11:52,780
He is unpredictable to the point where they

5527
03:11:52,780 --> 03:11:56,200
have no faith or trust in him.

5528
03:11:56,680 --> 03:11:57,880
Oh, no, oh, no.

5529
03:11:58,000 --> 03:12:00,360
I think it's a global political crisis.

5530
03:12:00,540 --> 03:12:01,820
I totally agree with that.

5531
03:12:03,220 --> 03:12:05,640
Global, global, global political crisis.

5532
03:12:05,940 --> 03:12:06,860
I totally agree.

5533
03:12:07,200 --> 03:12:08,300
Um, Michael.

5534
03:12:08,480 --> 03:12:12,380
It's a global political crisis we are witnessing,

5535
03:12:12,800 --> 03:12:13,120
John.

5536
03:12:13,980 --> 03:12:16,860
Unless somebody told us, because we need to

5537
03:12:16,860 --> 03:12:18,820
know this for the show, but he is

5538
03:12:18,820 --> 03:12:21,740
unpredictable to the point where they.

5539
03:12:21,820 --> 03:12:22,720
Oh, no, oh, no.

5540
03:12:22,860 --> 03:12:25,180
I think it's a global political crisis.

5541
03:12:25,520 --> 03:12:27,260
We're gonna have to leave it there.

5542
03:12:28,940 --> 03:12:30,520
Global political crisis.

5543
03:12:34,010 --> 03:12:37,990
By the way, the website is cosmicweenie.com.

5544
03:12:38,430 --> 03:12:38,610
Justify.

5545
03:12:41,350 --> 03:12:43,230
We're gonna have to leave it there.

5546
03:12:50,960 --> 03:12:51,720
Justify.

5547
03:12:58,490 --> 03:13:01,690
The American public needs to stay outraged.

5548
03:13:02,390 --> 03:13:05,230
Obama passed it, and leave it alone!

5549
03:13:06,130 --> 03:13:08,270
I want you to argue with him, and

5550
03:13:08,270 --> 03:13:10,030
get in their face, get in their face,

5551
03:13:10,090 --> 03:13:10,730
get in their face.

5552
03:13:10,810 --> 03:13:12,490
I know who's asked to kick, to kick,

5553
03:13:12,670 --> 03:13:12,850
to kick.

5554
03:13:13,190 --> 03:13:14,570
This unworthy president.

5555
03:13:14,770 --> 03:13:16,750
He does not deserve to be the president

5556
03:13:16,750 --> 03:13:17,810
of the United States.

5557
03:13:18,230 --> 03:13:19,330
Outrageous, outrageous.

5558
03:13:19,830 --> 03:13:22,850
You and me, baby, ain't nothing but mammals,

5559
03:13:23,030 --> 03:13:25,230
so let's do it like they do on

5560
03:13:25,230 --> 03:13:26,750
the Discovery Channel.

5561
03:13:26,950 --> 03:13:27,590
Do it again now.

5562
03:13:27,690 --> 03:13:30,610
You and me, baby, ain't nothing but mammals.

5563
03:13:30,850 --> 03:13:33,010
If you shoot me, you better shoot straight,

5564
03:13:33,150 --> 03:13:33,710
there's nothing.

5565
03:13:35,020 --> 03:13:38,500
Dog meat, tough, snake meat, tougher, and roasted

5566
03:13:38,500 --> 03:13:40,040
grasshoppers, crunchy.

5567
03:13:40,900 --> 03:13:43,260
Outrageous, outrageous, outrageous, outrageous, outrageous.

5568
03:13:43,460 --> 03:13:44,640
Eggs, eggs, eggs.

5569
03:13:45,140 --> 03:13:47,340
There's nothing embarrassing about a hen laying an

5570
03:13:47,340 --> 03:13:48,960
egg, and you'd better lay one or it's

5571
03:13:48,960 --> 03:13:49,420
your neck.

5572
03:13:50,520 --> 03:13:52,700
I give them the old needle once in

5573
03:13:52,700 --> 03:13:53,000
a while.

5574
03:13:53,260 --> 03:13:54,060
I love eggs!

5575
03:13:54,340 --> 03:13:56,980
Egg prices are continuing to soar.

5576
03:13:57,100 --> 03:13:59,800
The cost of eggs has been soaring across

5577
03:13:59,800 --> 03:14:00,440
the country.

5578
03:14:00,600 --> 03:14:02,140
High cost of eggs.

5579
03:14:02,520 --> 03:14:04,260
So what's behind eggflation?

5580
03:14:04,260 --> 03:14:07,920
Pathogenic eggflue influenza, more commonly known as bird

5581
03:14:07,920 --> 03:14:08,200
flu.

5582
03:14:08,360 --> 03:14:10,540
The worst bird flu outbreak in years.

5583
03:14:10,700 --> 03:14:12,360
That has just swept through the country.

5584
03:14:12,680 --> 03:14:15,020
Tens of millions of birds have died or

5585
03:14:15,020 --> 03:14:15,800
been slaughtered.

5586
03:14:15,880 --> 03:14:18,000
Bird flu has reduced the egg-laying hen

5587
03:14:18,000 --> 03:14:19,940
population by more than 40 million.

5588
03:14:20,120 --> 03:14:22,460
40 million, that's astounding to think about.

5589
03:14:22,600 --> 03:14:24,400
That looks like eggs are the new toilet

5590
03:14:24,400 --> 03:14:24,720
paper.

5591
03:14:25,320 --> 03:14:27,200
It's egg-streamly bad news.

5592
03:14:27,300 --> 03:14:29,000
You might want to consider alternatives.

5593
03:14:29,320 --> 03:14:30,900
This is an egg replacement item.

5594
03:14:31,260 --> 03:14:34,080
These chickens that were laying eggs, those are

5595
03:14:34,080 --> 03:14:35,380
mature hens, right?

5596
03:14:35,540 --> 03:14:37,620
So we don't get a mature hen overnight.

5597
03:14:37,960 --> 03:14:40,040
It takes some time for a chick who

5598
03:14:40,040 --> 03:14:41,540
hatches out of an egg to be, this

5599
03:14:41,540 --> 03:14:43,500
could be lasting us into the summer.

5600
03:14:43,700 --> 03:14:45,700
Can I offer you a nice egg in

5601
03:14:45,700 --> 03:14:46,660
this trying time?

5602
03:14:46,740 --> 03:14:48,260
Yeah, he's got an egg, you might not!

5603
03:14:53,880 --> 03:14:56,560
The best podcast in the universe!

5604
03:14:57,660 --> 03:14:58,860
Adios, mofo.

5605
03:14:59,220 --> 03:15:02,680
Dvorak.org slash n-egg.

5606
03:15:03,820 --> 03:15:04,900
Goodbye, dipshits.