1 00:00:00,450 --> 00:00:04,500 John C Dvorak: Everybody should move to Saskatoon, Adam curry 2 00:00:04,590 --> 00:00:05,730 Jhansi Devora 3 00:00:06,150 --> 00:00:08,400 Adam Curry: may 16 2024 This Year Award 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:09,480 Unknown: winning killer nation media 5 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:14,220 Adam Curry: assassination episode 1660 This is no agenda. 6 00:00:15,090 --> 00:00:19,410 We are climate smarts and broadcasting live from the heart 7 00:00:19,410 --> 00:00:22,530 of the Texas Hill Country here and FEMA reached number six in 8 00:00:22,530 --> 00:00:25,230 the morning everybody I'm Adam curry here 9 00:00:25,230 --> 00:00:27,180 John C Dvorak: from brothers Silicon Valley where we want to 10 00:00:27,180 --> 00:00:30,630 remind people that no dude over 40 is going to rock and roll all 11 00:00:30,630 --> 00:00:33,990 night and party every day. It's bullcrap. I'm Johnson's war axe 12 00:00:35,369 --> 00:00:42,929 Adam Curry: kill. Oh, have you know, I was rocking and rolling 13 00:00:42,929 --> 00:00:46,949 all night in part and every single day when I was 40 You 14 00:00:46,949 --> 00:00:50,339 weren't you? You were when you were 40 I remember you when you 15 00:00:50,339 --> 00:00:57,299 were 40 Don't I know? You were pulling apart computers on the 16 00:00:57,299 --> 00:00:59,039 TV? Yeah, 17 00:00:59,070 --> 00:01:02,040 John C Dvorak: well, those guys that rock and rolling all night, 18 00:01:02,070 --> 00:01:05,610 whatever that means. And partying every day, which is 19 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,540 which, which presumes by the wording that you're better you 20 00:01:09,540 --> 00:01:15,810 never get any sleep bullcrap. Hey. Hello. You and Darryl 21 00:01:15,810 --> 00:01:19,140 singing along with that song. I couldn't know Dara thinking his 22 00:01:19,140 --> 00:01:21,810 Adam Curry: name is now Daryl. Daryl. 23 00:01:22,950 --> 00:01:26,100 John C Dvorak: Daryl, you and Darryl and his other brother 24 00:01:26,100 --> 00:01:26,550 Daryl. 25 00:01:30,450 --> 00:01:36,150 Adam Curry: You cracked me up Jhansi Devorah. Oh, man. Well, I 26 00:01:36,150 --> 00:01:40,050 feel Are you okay? That you knock I dropped this clip sheet. 27 00:01:40,050 --> 00:01:43,260 Oh, no. And it is it's a literal sheet, isn't it? It's a 28 00:01:43,260 --> 00:01:44,880 clipboard. Tell me it's a clipboard. 29 00:01:46,620 --> 00:01:51,210 John C Dvorak: clipboard sorry. Just a piece of paper. Well, 30 00:01:51,209 --> 00:01:55,019 Adam Curry: speaking of pulling computers apart. I had such a 31 00:01:55,019 --> 00:02:00,539 great week. I loved Monday and Tuesday was so funny. As these 32 00:02:00,539 --> 00:02:06,269 numb nut Nimrods in Silicon Valley, tried to convince us 33 00:02:06,749 --> 00:02:13,589 that AI is great. It's great. Everybody is just great. I'm 34 00:02:13,589 --> 00:02:16,499 gonna tell you right now. I'm going short AI and long on 35 00:02:16,499 --> 00:02:22,589 people. This is here. Would you like a 45 second overview of the 36 00:02:22,589 --> 00:02:25,919 Google I O event with Sundar Pichai and all of his 37 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:26,789 executives. 38 00:02:28,860 --> 00:02:30,780 John C Dvorak: This is Yes, actually, I was gonna get this 39 00:02:30,780 --> 00:02:33,330 clip. That you got it? Yeah, 40 00:02:33,330 --> 00:02:40,890 Unknown: IPI ai ai ai ai ai ai ai ai ai ai ai ai ai ai ai ai ai 41 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:53,310 ai ai really useful. ai ai ai ai AI. AI ai ai ai ai ai ai ai ai 42 00:02:53,310 --> 00:03:04,140 ai ai ai ai ai ai ai ai ai ai ai ai ai ai ai ai ai ai, ai, ai ai, 43 00:03:04,530 --> 00:03:12,210 ai students AI and that's the power of generative ai ai 44 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:19,170 toolkit. Generative, generative, generative AI. AI ai ai, 45 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,450 Adam Curry: was there anything that you heard of that you 46 00:03:21,450 --> 00:03:25,410 thought might be useful in your life? At Google presented 47 00:03:25,620 --> 00:03:26,400 anything? 48 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:28,740 John C Dvorak: No, but I saw a report that was kind of 49 00:03:28,740 --> 00:03:30,510 frightening. Oh, 50 00:03:30,900 --> 00:03:32,700 Adam Curry: did you get a clip of Cedric? No, no, I 51 00:03:32,700 --> 00:03:35,490 John C Dvorak: wish I didn't have a clip and I had to explain 52 00:03:35,490 --> 00:03:38,310 it. Actually, I'll get a clip and put it on the next show. 53 00:03:38,370 --> 00:03:40,770 Adam Curry: Okay, well, then I have one more clip here. Because 54 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,100 not to be just more who put that together? You didn't know? I 55 00:03:44,100 --> 00:03:46,560 didn't know know that. That's been circulating. Now. Let's be 56 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:47,190 circular. It's 57 00:03:47,190 --> 00:03:47,790 John C Dvorak: a good clip. 58 00:03:47,820 --> 00:03:50,250 Adam Curry: It's a great clip. I mean, that's what when people do 59 00:03:50,250 --> 00:03:53,550 that, then you know that no one's buying it. You know 60 00:03:53,550 --> 00:03:58,800 instead of Oh, boy. Oh, so good. But now but now not to be 61 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:05,760 outdone. Open ai ai ai open AI Sam Altman's. What's that calty 62 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:11,400 was in again. Was that six cold? Those guys are in? Yeah, it was. 63 00:04:11,430 --> 00:04:13,230 Yeah, I forget the name of that section. It 64 00:04:13,230 --> 00:04:14,160 John C Dvorak: was a sex coach. 65 00:04:14,340 --> 00:04:15,810 Adam Curry: I think it still is a sex call. 66 00:04:16,230 --> 00:04:18,330 John C Dvorak: I think it's still in business. Yeah, I think 67 00:04:18,330 --> 00:04:22,560 so. What? What, what, who breaks up a sex cult keep nobody 68 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:23,220 effective? 69 00:04:23,220 --> 00:04:25,980 Adam Curry: No, especially not if you're said leader of said 70 00:04:25,980 --> 00:04:30,990 sex call. You gotta made Effective Altruism. We're going 71 00:04:30,990 --> 00:04:36,660 to save the world with math. So they they came up with a demo, 72 00:04:37,050 --> 00:04:42,240 which was as I've distilled this, a classic classic Silicon 73 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:47,730 Valley demo. Classic. So there's a guy sitting in a room. This 74 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,770 John C Dvorak: guy. Well, let me explain what that means to the 75 00:04:49,770 --> 00:04:52,620 public. Oh, please do all be S. 76 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:58,320 Adam Curry: I'll be all the time. It's unbelievable. But now 77 00:04:58,350 --> 00:05:03,810 Now because of this demo. And I looked up the definition of the 78 00:05:03,810 --> 00:05:12,270 word reason to reason. So when when AI can reason it would be 79 00:05:12,270 --> 00:05:16,860 like the AI would see me sitting here in my room and would 80 00:05:16,860 --> 00:05:23,580 presume Oh, by see a microphone. I see a mixer. I see you got 81 00:05:23,580 --> 00:05:27,120 headphones on. Are you about to do a podcast? See that's what 82 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:34,080 that's reasoning. But yeah, so they're open AI is is now 83 00:05:34,350 --> 00:05:47,340 effectively a a creepy, somewhat over sexualized spokesmodel who 84 00:05:47,370 --> 00:05:51,360 got on my nerves very quickly. It's kind of like Siri with a 85 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:56,970 personality. So here's the guy sitting in a room, then, and 86 00:05:56,970 --> 00:06:01,320 he's holding up the camera, and the open AI is having a 87 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:02,940 conversation with him. 88 00:06:03,060 --> 00:06:04,080 Unknown: Hey, how's it going? 89 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,400 Hey, there, it's going great. How about you? I see you're 90 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:12,030 rockin an open AI hoodie. Nice choice. What's up with that 91 00:06:12,030 --> 00:06:15,240 ceiling about? Are you in a cool industries to office or 92 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,700 something? Well, can you take a guess at what that might be 93 00:06:17,700 --> 00:06:19,770 doing based on what you hear? 94 00:06:21,330 --> 00:06:26,160 John C Dvorak: I can't tell which gay guy is the AI? And 95 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,700 which gay guy is the is the person that'd be the kind of 96 00:06:29,700 --> 00:06:34,680 female I'm very similar. They both are affectations. Let's put 97 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:35,610 it that way. Yes. 98 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:39,300 Adam Curry: I love the I see you're rockin a cool open AI 99 00:06:39,300 --> 00:06:39,900 hoodie. 100 00:06:40,230 --> 00:06:42,690 John C Dvorak: Now, now if I held that counter, so that's the 101 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:44,130 that's the AI talk. And then 102 00:06:44,130 --> 00:06:45,990 Adam Curry: because the AI is reasoning, you see, it's 103 00:06:45,990 --> 00:06:50,610 reasoning that it's not rigged. This demo at all, is, of course, 104 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,710 reasoning. And we continue. 105 00:06:54,450 --> 00:06:57,360 Unknown: From what I can see, it looks like you're in some kind 106 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,540 of recording or production setup. With those lights, 107 00:07:00,570 --> 00:07:04,290 tripods and possibly a mic. It seems like you might be gearing 108 00:07:04,290 --> 00:07:09,780 up to shoot a video, or maybe even a live stream. Yeah. Yeah. 109 00:07:10,530 --> 00:07:11,010 Why 110 00:07:11,010 --> 00:07:17,220 Adam Curry: wouldn't the AI say podcast? Or television show? But 111 00:07:17,220 --> 00:07:21,090 no, it's some kind of demonstration or live stream 112 00:07:21,090 --> 00:07:21,810 perhaps. 113 00:07:22,860 --> 00:07:26,130 Unknown: Or maybe even a live stream? Good point. Yeah. In 114 00:07:26,130 --> 00:07:28,290 fact, we've got a new announcement to make. Or 115 00:07:28,290 --> 00:07:30,960 Adam Curry: how about are you gonna send me a dick pic? No, 116 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,140 no, no, no, the reasoning is smart. Okay, let's see what he's 117 00:07:34,140 --> 00:07:36,300 in fact about to do. That's 118 00:07:36,300 --> 00:07:39,660 Unknown: exciting. Announcements are always a big deal. Judging 119 00:07:39,660 --> 00:07:42,750 by the Senate looks like it's gonna be quite the professional 120 00:07:42,750 --> 00:07:47,280 production. Is this announcement related to open AI? Perhaps it 121 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:48,690 is. And in fact, 122 00:07:48,930 --> 00:07:53,190 Adam Curry: Oh, wow. This thing is so smart. He's like, Wait a 123 00:07:53,190 --> 00:07:58,170 minute. You rockin the open AI hoodie. You've got video and 124 00:07:58,170 --> 00:08:00,900 light. Could this be something about open AI? 125 00:08:02,010 --> 00:08:06,420 Unknown: Is this announcement related to open AI? It is. And 126 00:08:06,420 --> 00:08:06,750 in fact, 127 00:08:06,750 --> 00:08:08,580 what if I were to say that you're related to the 128 00:08:08,580 --> 00:08:11,010 announcement or that you are the announcement? 129 00:08:12,690 --> 00:08:16,860 Me? The announcement is about me. Okay, 130 00:08:16,860 --> 00:08:18,330 Adam Curry: this is where when creepy for 131 00:08:18,330 --> 00:08:21,300 John C Dvorak: me? Because it phony laughs weird 132 00:08:21,300 --> 00:08:25,170 Adam Curry: kind of it's lightly sexualized. Which is kind of 133 00:08:25,170 --> 00:08:32,490 creepy. Me. You're talking about little old me. Huh? My pants. 134 00:08:34,830 --> 00:08:37,170 Unknown: The announcement is about me. Well, 135 00:08:38,129 --> 00:08:40,319 John C Dvorak: this is not a road. This is like somebody on a 136 00:08:40,319 --> 00:08:41,789 microphone someplace. 137 00:08:42,899 --> 00:08:45,269 Adam Curry: On his bed gets better. Well, Color 138 00:08:45,270 --> 00:08:48,390 Unknown: me intrigued. Are you about to reveal something about 139 00:08:48,420 --> 00:08:49,470 AI? Or? 140 00:08:50,130 --> 00:08:54,000 John C Dvorak: Hold on? Yeah. How does the AI voice breeze 141 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:59,130 like that? You know, in and out. I mean, this is ridiculous. 142 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,350 Adam Curry: This is how good it's gotten. John. It's 143 00:09:01,350 --> 00:09:04,950 reasoning. It's comic strip blogger breathing somehow our 144 00:09:04,950 --> 00:09:07,500 mystery blogger thinks everyone would be dead in five years. 145 00:09:07,530 --> 00:09:09,420 This is all this going to be running. Is this. 146 00:09:11,159 --> 00:09:14,939 Unknown: Something about AI or more specifically about me as a 147 00:09:14,939 --> 00:09:19,049 part of open AI? You've got me on the edge of my Well, I don't 148 00:09:19,049 --> 00:09:23,279 really have a seat but you get the idea. Ah, 149 00:09:23,459 --> 00:09:25,739 John C Dvorak: oh, and it's funny. It's doing materials 150 00:09:25,739 --> 00:09:26,969 doing stick. What's 151 00:09:26,970 --> 00:09:31,110 Unknown: the big news? Yeah, we've got a new model interact 152 00:09:31,110 --> 00:09:34,440 with the world through audio vision and texts. 153 00:09:34,590 --> 00:09:37,950 Adam Curry: Oh, man, they have demos. They do have a blind dude 154 00:09:37,980 --> 00:09:41,970 in Times Square holding up his phone told me what I'm not 155 00:09:41,970 --> 00:09:48,600 seeing. I mean, come on. It's it's it's embarrassing at this 156 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:53,580 point. He's embarrassed. And Sam Altman, I tried to clip he did a 157 00:09:53,730 --> 00:09:57,900 an hour long interview with his one of his venture capital 158 00:09:57,900 --> 00:10:00,540 partners on their podcast and this is the thing These days, 159 00:10:00,870 --> 00:10:02,310 you have a VC company and 160 00:10:02,309 --> 00:10:04,349 John C Dvorak: then you have well, this is not just the state 161 00:10:04,349 --> 00:10:06,179 this has been going on for years. But 162 00:10:06,180 --> 00:10:09,120 Adam Curry: you have your podcast or in residence. Oh, I'm 163 00:10:09,150 --> 00:10:12,510 going to interview Sam about that podcast and residents I 164 00:10:12,510 --> 00:10:14,910 love. Podcasts are in residence for sure. 165 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,559 John C Dvorak: I'm a podcast and residents. What do you do? Sit 166 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:19,859 here. 167 00:10:20,220 --> 00:10:21,900 Adam Curry: It's an exit strategy. 168 00:10:22,769 --> 00:10:23,249 John C Dvorak: Yeah. 169 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:25,980 Adam Curry: Hello, Adam curry, Jhansi Dvorak. Here we are 170 00:10:25,980 --> 00:10:29,250 podcasters in residence for Kleiner Perkins. Let's talk 171 00:10:29,250 --> 00:10:34,620 about some green tech, everybody. So here's my 172 00:10:34,620 --> 00:10:40,620 question. Because you asked good GPT for Oh, little Oh, how will 173 00:10:40,620 --> 00:10:45,060 actually make money? I would like to ask that question. And 174 00:10:45,090 --> 00:10:48,270 when will it make my email better? You want to impress me? 175 00:10:49,110 --> 00:10:54,330 Let me run this thing on my email. So it knows what I want 176 00:10:54,330 --> 00:10:57,930 to see. It pops things to the top, it learns it does machine 177 00:10:57,930 --> 00:11:01,500 learning, it can reason how to lie when I don't really want to 178 00:11:01,500 --> 00:11:04,410 respond to somebody do that, and I'll be impressed. 179 00:11:06,090 --> 00:11:07,860 John C Dvorak: That's a good product you just described of 180 00:11:07,860 --> 00:11:08,400 course, 181 00:11:08,430 --> 00:11:11,280 Adam Curry: that's that is the product. That's the killer app. 182 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,070 But no, no, instead, of 183 00:11:14,070 --> 00:11:17,760 John C Dvorak: course, I can't do anything. That's no, you're 184 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:24,180 Adam Curry: rockin a cool open AI hoodie there. People but you 185 00:11:24,180 --> 00:11:31,020 know, I got emails from people I I still kind of respect. Like 186 00:11:31,020 --> 00:11:34,500 the former New York banker, the former New York banker, he says, 187 00:11:34,680 --> 00:11:37,560 Look at this man. It's really getting somewhere now. And he 188 00:11:37,560 --> 00:11:40,500 said he sends me a link to this demo. I'm like, Are you kidding 189 00:11:40,500 --> 00:11:40,890 me? 190 00:11:41,789 --> 00:11:46,499 John C Dvorak: Kittens. Really getting somewhere? Yeah, he got 191 00:11:46,499 --> 00:11:49,739 suckered by the demo that demo is, is obviously a fake. 192 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,580 Adam Curry: Yeah. I mean, we've done these demos, John. Now, 193 00:11:53,580 --> 00:11:57,690 mind you, we could be in Kuala Lumpur. I mean, I'm with Mark 194 00:11:57,690 --> 00:12:01,380 Kanter. I've done the demos. I've done the demos. Here's how 195 00:12:01,380 --> 00:12:05,220 it works in Silicon Valley. But okay, let's go raise a trillion 196 00:12:05,220 --> 00:12:08,070 dollars. We need more money. When this thing comes spinning 197 00:12:08,070 --> 00:12:14,340 apart is going to be hilarious to watch. And it will always 198 00:12:14,340 --> 00:12:16,800 does always does. Yeah. And although you think this this is 199 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,350 a real cycle, like the cycle. Well, I 200 00:12:19,349 --> 00:12:22,379 John C Dvorak: have watched this over and over. Yeah. And it's 201 00:12:22,379 --> 00:12:24,719 always it happens at some point it sticks. 202 00:12:25,740 --> 00:12:28,830 Adam Curry: Yeah, but it's what sticking is as well. What's not 203 00:12:28,830 --> 00:12:31,590 John C Dvorak: it's not. I mean, I'm first they get this could 204 00:12:31,590 --> 00:12:37,680 stick I think some aspects of it will. But with stuff like what 205 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:42,150 you just played is, is is disconcerting. It's I can't say 206 00:12:42,150 --> 00:12:44,520 the word right. disconcerted. disheartening. 207 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,000 Adam Curry: Yeah. But it's disheartening is that people are 208 00:12:48,630 --> 00:12:51,810 great bids. Here we go. It's reasoning is smart is smart. 209 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:52,290 That's 210 00:12:52,290 --> 00:12:54,120 John C Dvorak: the way those demos work that we've seen this 211 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,700 over the years that oh, they they're very effective at 212 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,680 Buffalo in the public. 213 00:12:59,820 --> 00:13:02,700 Adam Curry: And if you ask anyone, I mean, it's actually 214 00:13:02,700 --> 00:13:06,000 pretty good at helping people code. Okay. But it's not going 215 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,240 to replace coders because writing code is like, poetry 216 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:13,410 prose, you know, it's not Yeah. Okay. But a little simple 217 00:13:13,410 --> 00:13:16,680 program. Sure. You can replace some widgets in the 218 00:13:16,680 --> 00:13:21,900 organization, but not people who actually code software as a, as 219 00:13:21,900 --> 00:13:25,890 a creative endeavor that it really is, you know, putting 220 00:13:25,890 --> 00:13:29,160 design in the back of their mind is they're doing it. Oh, it's 221 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,760 like, it's like disco. It's like disco of code. It's like it's 222 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,900 programmatic. Okay, well, yes, some of that is good. I mean, if 223 00:13:36,900 --> 00:13:41,220 anybody who has spent any time trying to get any AI to sort 224 00:13:41,220 --> 00:13:44,370 through any data, oh, I can upload a Google spreadsheet to 225 00:13:44,370 --> 00:13:48,150 at Google, what is it called? What is the Google Google Doc? 226 00:13:50,070 --> 00:13:51,930 John C Dvorak: Google calc count 227 00:13:51,929 --> 00:13:55,499 Adam Curry: because I want to visit this crazy cow. I can 228 00:13:55,499 --> 00:14:00,269 upload my visit. I can upload my VisiCalc to it. And you know, 229 00:14:00,269 --> 00:14:02,939 but by the time you're done, and by the time you're done 230 00:14:02,939 --> 00:14:06,269 correcting it. I mean, it always has 20% error rate and then you 231 00:14:06,269 --> 00:14:09,179 probably could have gotten gotten more done. If you just 232 00:14:09,179 --> 00:14:13,619 did it yourself. Now it's just doesn't sheets. There you go. 233 00:14:13,619 --> 00:14:16,259 Thank you Google Sheets. She hates 234 00:14:16,260 --> 00:14:19,860 John C Dvorak: sheets, the sheets man totally sheets. 235 00:14:21,269 --> 00:14:23,849 Adam Curry: Then the former New York banker did send me this pre 236 00:14:23,849 --> 00:14:29,639 pre print durably reducing conspiracy beliefs through 237 00:14:29,639 --> 00:14:33,479 dialogues with AI Oh, yes, they've done a stir that'll do 238 00:14:33,479 --> 00:14:36,899 it. They've done a study across two experiments, we find robust 239 00:14:36,899 --> 00:14:41,369 evidence. That's better than no evidence robust evidence that 240 00:14:41,369 --> 00:14:44,969 the debunking conversation with the AI reduced belief in 241 00:14:44,969 --> 00:14:48,479 conspiracy theories by roughly 20% 242 00:14:49,020 --> 00:14:51,780 John C Dvorak: to 20%. What conspiracy theories are we 243 00:14:51,780 --> 00:14:52,830 talking about? Oh, 244 00:14:52,830 --> 00:14:55,980 Adam Curry: Moon Landing and stuff. Now. The effects did not 245 00:14:55,980 --> 00:15:01,470 decay over two months time. So it's stuck. was consistently 246 00:15:01,470 --> 00:15:04,290 observed across a wide range of different conspiracy theories, 247 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,470 and occurred even for participants whose conspiracy 248 00:15:07,470 --> 00:15:11,040 beliefs were deeply entrenched, and of great importance to their 249 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,710 identities. But I'd be You 250 00:15:15,330 --> 00:15:18,840 John C Dvorak: what 20%? Is this a small number, it seems to me, 251 00:15:19,049 --> 00:15:24,179 Adam Curry: it's roughly so it's probably 18 or 17. Furthermore, 252 00:15:24,419 --> 00:15:27,179 although the dialogues were focused on a single conspiracy 253 00:15:27,179 --> 00:15:30,569 theory, the intervention spilled over to reduce beliefs in 254 00:15:30,569 --> 00:15:34,619 unrelated conspiracies, indicating a general increase in 255 00:15:34,619 --> 00:15:38,549 conspiratorial worldview, as well as increasing intentions to 256 00:15:38,549 --> 00:15:43,499 challenge others who espouse their chosen conspiracy. These 257 00:15:43,499 --> 00:15:46,889 highlighting these findings highlight that even many people 258 00:15:46,889 --> 00:15:49,529 who strongly believe in seemingly fact resistant could 259 00:15:49,529 --> 00:15:52,949 spiritual beliefs can change their minds in the face of 260 00:15:52,949 --> 00:15:57,869 sufficient evidence. There's hope for me. There's hope for me 261 00:15:57,869 --> 00:16:02,579 yet. With AI. I hope that that groovy chick in the open AI 262 00:16:02,579 --> 00:16:07,289 system will talk me off the ledge next time. It's amazing. 263 00:16:08,279 --> 00:16:12,809 It's amazing. That's where we're at. I mean, who knew who needs 264 00:16:12,839 --> 00:16:13,679 who needs anything? 265 00:16:13,709 --> 00:16:16,379 John C Dvorak: We don't need anything. Yeah, you ran into a 266 00:16:16,379 --> 00:16:17,669 brick wall with that. Yeah, I 267 00:16:17,670 --> 00:16:21,270 Adam Curry: know. So it's okay. Sorry, I should have stopped 268 00:16:21,270 --> 00:16:26,940 earlier. You're right. Now the big I think there's a couple of 269 00:16:26,940 --> 00:16:29,910 big stories out there. I see you have a multi partner, so I'm 270 00:16:29,910 --> 00:16:33,540 going to lead you into it. I'm gonna let you loose and then I'm 271 00:16:33,540 --> 00:16:36,180 gonna come back and I'm gonna close. I'm gonna close the deal 272 00:16:36,180 --> 00:16:40,140 on this one. Okay. So yeah, the Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Because it's 273 00:16:40,140 --> 00:16:43,530 not going away. It's bird flow. That's not medical news. 274 00:16:43,529 --> 00:16:45,749 Unknown: We can with America's favorite doctor, the US Federal 275 00:16:45,749 --> 00:16:46,049 Government, 276 00:16:46,049 --> 00:16:46,979 Adam Curry: America's favorite doctor, 277 00:16:47,010 --> 00:16:49,200 Unknown: but is announcing new funding to help mitigate the 278 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,440 risks of the bird flu outbreak among livestock? 279 00:16:52,470 --> 00:16:55,290 Yeah, and we've covered this before. We've been talking about 280 00:16:55,290 --> 00:16:59,310 it for a while, while now when you have a spreading pathogen, 281 00:16:59,430 --> 00:17:03,540 like avian influenza, do you want to try to mitigate and 282 00:17:03,540 --> 00:17:06,900 contain that spread? And this is what the federal government is 283 00:17:06,900 --> 00:17:09,360 really targeting the industry and agriculture 284 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,699 Adam Curry: as well. Let me take you through it. It's a spreading 285 00:17:11,699 --> 00:17:12,509 pathogen. 286 00:17:12,540 --> 00:17:15,840 Unknown: They are pledging financial support for PPE for 287 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:17,550 employees affected, 288 00:17:17,579 --> 00:17:21,209 Adam Curry: okay, now listen carefully. They're all the words 289 00:17:21,209 --> 00:17:27,299 we've learned PPE pathogen, so they're going to give PPE to 290 00:17:27,299 --> 00:17:31,499 people who might be exposed to the non existent threat of bird 291 00:17:31,499 --> 00:17:33,059 flu in cows. 292 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:35,580 Unknown: Let me take you through it. They are pledging financial 293 00:17:35,580 --> 00:17:40,140 support for PPE for employees of affected herds, because we know 294 00:17:40,140 --> 00:17:43,680 that now, there are at least nine states involved with these 295 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,640 infected herds, funding for heat treatment disposal of impacted 296 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:52,680 milk because that's the only bio secure way of disposing of milk 297 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,160 that has been exposed or infected. compensation of 298 00:17:56,550 --> 00:18:00,480 producers for the loss of milk production is obviously 299 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,180 important and they need to work with the states to limit the 300 00:18:03,180 --> 00:18:06,000 movement of lactating cattle because again, from the 301 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,970 agriculture and industry standpoint, you really need to 302 00:18:08,970 --> 00:18:12,240 protect the people who are closest to these infected 303 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:13,020 animals at this 304 00:18:13,020 --> 00:18:15,810 John C Dvorak: point, I just love to say that it was a cow, 305 00:18:16,770 --> 00:18:18,630 white lactating, animal, 306 00:18:18,690 --> 00:18:21,960 Adam Curry: lactating cattle, it just sounds good. All right, we 307 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:22,530 got one more 308 00:18:22,530 --> 00:18:25,170 John C Dvorak: that you know that what that plays into the 309 00:18:26,070 --> 00:18:29,970 birthing person. Things Yes, lactating, but now they're 310 00:18:29,970 --> 00:18:34,200 moving it over to the animal world. It's not taking cattle is 311 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,000 a cow. Hello. 312 00:18:37,109 --> 00:18:39,989 Adam Curry: It's not a meal. It's not a dairy cow. lactating 313 00:18:39,989 --> 00:18:46,559 cattle, lactating animals that lactate with four legs. So now 314 00:18:46,559 --> 00:18:50,249 this it's off the hook is very important. what's being said 315 00:18:50,249 --> 00:18:50,459 here? 316 00:18:50,490 --> 00:18:51,660 John C Dvorak: Where'd that come from? By the way? 317 00:18:51,690 --> 00:18:54,120 Adam Curry: That's ABC with Dr. Jen Ashton, America's favorite 318 00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:54,510 doctor. 319 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,330 John C Dvorak: Oh, she should be she should be fired. 320 00:18:57,329 --> 00:18:59,459 Adam Curry: Well, hold on. I got another clip. And I'm gonna let 321 00:18:59,459 --> 00:19:02,219 you loose on your on your raw milk clips. Of course, I haven't 322 00:19:02,219 --> 00:19:04,589 heard that we never listen to each other's clips. But I saw 323 00:19:04,589 --> 00:19:06,299 him. So I know we're going to you're going to fill the 324 00:19:06,299 --> 00:19:10,559 doughnut hole here. So it's very important to note that the as I 325 00:19:10,559 --> 00:19:13,799 predicted, they're talking about calling herds Oh, no, the bee 326 00:19:13,799 --> 00:19:17,489 compensation. This is what they've been doing with ranchers 327 00:19:17,489 --> 00:19:21,419 and farmers for decades in the United States is how you get 328 00:19:21,419 --> 00:19:25,199 everyone in control. It's like, Hey, don't worry if your crops 329 00:19:25,199 --> 00:19:28,289 fail if your herd has to get called because of I'm sorry, 330 00:19:28,289 --> 00:19:31,919 your lactating cattle needs to be called because it has some 331 00:19:31,949 --> 00:19:36,029 mythical bird flu virus in it that we've detected somewhere 332 00:19:36,029 --> 00:19:40,049 with PCR spun up to 80 cycles. Don't worry, we'll take care of 333 00:19:40,049 --> 00:19:40,739 your farmers. 334 00:19:41,070 --> 00:19:44,040 Unknown: It's called bird flu, but we cattle so it's reacting 335 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,110 multiple animals. This is a question so 336 00:19:46,109 --> 00:19:48,779 Adam Curry: people are multiple animals now and a half. How do I 337 00:19:48,779 --> 00:19:50,519 keep this affecting me? 338 00:19:50,849 --> 00:19:53,189 Unknown: Listen, I've had conversations with senior 339 00:19:53,189 --> 00:19:54,359 official Oh, 340 00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:56,280 Adam Curry: how is this going to affect me? It's going to affect 341 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,290 me. Can I get the bird flu question 342 00:19:58,290 --> 00:20:01,020 Unknown: so people are going to have How do I Keep from this 343 00:20:01,020 --> 00:20:01,740 affecting me 344 00:20:02,100 --> 00:20:05,670 Listen I have conversations with senior officials at the CDC 345 00:20:05,670 --> 00:20:08,730 right now they are considering the risk to the overall US 346 00:20:08,730 --> 00:20:13,050 population to be low but who is at higher risk to people who 347 00:20:13,050 --> 00:20:16,500 work in these industries so right now you should try to 348 00:20:16,530 --> 00:20:20,160 remove yourself from any animal that definitely appears to be 349 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,730 ill if you're talking about birds or cattle. And then again, 350 00:20:23,730 --> 00:20:25,830 I think we need to realize that Start 351 00:20:25,829 --> 00:20:27,089 John C Dvorak: Stop stop stop the clip 352 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:27,839 Adam Curry: stop and clip 353 00:20:28,319 --> 00:20:32,729 John C Dvorak: Do they have any evidence or even one dead cow 354 00:20:33,269 --> 00:20:36,719 died from bird flu that they can document there 355 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,620 Adam Curry: is no lactating animal that has died the cows 356 00:20:40,620 --> 00:20:45,630 are fine the cows like have you seen the cows or move with the 357 00:20:45,630 --> 00:20:48,090 tongue just like a normal cow fortunately 358 00:20:48,090 --> 00:20:50,460 Unknown: appears to be ill if you're talking about birds or 359 00:20:50,790 --> 00:20:53,340 John C Dvorak: be ill she said up here appears to be ill 360 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,620 Unknown: and then again I think we need to show 361 00:20:55,620 --> 00:20:57,990 Adam Curry: you is not a veterinarian She's practicing 362 00:20:57,990 --> 00:21:01,680 veterinary medicine without a license here as far as I'm 363 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:02,160 concerned 364 00:21:02,190 --> 00:21:04,590 Unknown: definitely appears to be ill if you're talking about 365 00:21:04,590 --> 00:21:08,850 birds or cattle and then again I think we need to realize that it 366 00:21:08,850 --> 00:21:12,720 starts with containing amongst our agriculture and that's what 367 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,430 we're seeing the federal government right now 368 00:21:14,460 --> 00:21:16,890 Adam Curry: all right so federal government stepping in John now 369 00:21:16,890 --> 00:21:19,800 of course the main the main culprit where it all starts 370 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,630 where we're all worried we're worried we're worried we're 371 00:21:21,630 --> 00:21:27,270 worried raw milk whereas you would say Milk Milk is the 372 00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:31,560 John C Dvorak: Western Way raw metal cargo with raw milk milk I 373 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:37,440 can say milk Yeah, you can. Yeah, now this is we've been 374 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,660 clipping this for a while they're they're just going after 375 00:21:39,660 --> 00:21:43,980 raw milk like there's no tomorrow and so to pound it home 376 00:21:44,820 --> 00:21:48,060 you know they were doing it kind of in an oblique way in the 377 00:21:48,060 --> 00:21:53,610 previous couple of shows clips but NPR compounded home that 378 00:21:53,610 --> 00:21:57,570 pretty much gonna just talk nothing but raw milk in these 379 00:21:57,570 --> 00:22:01,890 few clips. I got six of them. They're short, but they're and 380 00:22:01,890 --> 00:22:04,050 they need to be interrupted a lot. So that's why I chopped it 381 00:22:04,050 --> 00:22:07,770 up. But here we go raw, raw milk, Bs and 382 00:22:07,770 --> 00:22:09,900 Adam Curry: a reminder and a disclaimer, elitist 383 00:22:09,899 --> 00:22:13,439 Unknown: voices of America. This is NPR 384 00:22:14,460 --> 00:22:15,630 or PBS the 385 00:22:15,630 --> 00:22:19,980 bird flu outbreak continues to spread among cows. The virus has 386 00:22:19,980 --> 00:22:23,880 now been found in almost 50 dairy herds across nine states. 387 00:22:24,090 --> 00:22:27,270 Health officials say milk that is pasteurized to kill germs is 388 00:22:27,300 --> 00:22:30,900 safe to drink. But the Food and Drug Administration has renewed 389 00:22:30,900 --> 00:22:33,570 warnings against raw milk. They continue 390 00:22:33,570 --> 00:22:36,720 to strongly advise against the consumption of raw milk and 391 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,170 recommend that industry does not manufacture or sell raw milk or 392 00:22:40,170 --> 00:22:41,130 raw milk products. 393 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,720 Now unpasteurized or raw milk is still being sold in many states 394 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,690 and advocates for raw milk say the federal government has 395 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,530 always opposed this consumption so why should they listen now? 396 00:22:52,890 --> 00:22:55,140 Well, we're here to talk more about this whole situation are 397 00:22:55,140 --> 00:22:57,870 MPSP long and Kira Eisner hate both of you 398 00:22:58,980 --> 00:23:01,110 for alpha Hey, hey, hey, 399 00:23:01,139 --> 00:23:03,179 hey Siri, I'm gonna start with you. I'm 400 00:23:03,180 --> 00:23:06,840 Adam Curry: sorry. I'll shut up I see you already did all over 401 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,720 the joke. I know but this is what you do with my clips so 402 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,860 I'll I will present the correct example and I shall no longer 403 00:23:13,860 --> 00:23:15,690 step on your clips. I apologize in 404 00:23:15,690 --> 00:23:18,450 Unknown: our amperes being long and Kara Eisner. Hey to both of 405 00:23:18,450 --> 00:23:18,660 you. 406 00:23:18,690 --> 00:23:21,150 Hey, Elsa. Hey. Hey, Elsa. Hey. 407 00:23:21,390 --> 00:23:24,000 Hey, hey, so Carrie, I want to start with you because you went 408 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,880 to Texas last week and you were I hear on this. 409 00:23:28,890 --> 00:23:30,690 John C Dvorak: What is with this? Hey, 410 00:23:32,250 --> 00:23:34,800 Adam Curry: this is NPR. Here's Elsa 411 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,650 John C Dvorak: Soto Hey, hey, hey, what what do you say? What 412 00:23:37,650 --> 00:23:41,340 is this? Broadcasting is this well, it's 413 00:23:41,340 --> 00:23:44,790 Adam Curry: it goes along with the pronoun thing. It's like you 414 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:50,460 know, you can say hi, lady, or Hello? No, no. Hello. You can 415 00:23:50,460 --> 00:23:54,600 welcome to the show. No, oh, no. Oh, no, no, this is just hey, 416 00:23:54,900 --> 00:23:58,410 hey, you know what their family at NPR? I think that's they 417 00:23:58,410 --> 00:24:02,610 probably a memo went out. We sound too serious guys. When we 418 00:24:02,610 --> 00:24:06,690 do our handovers let's make it sound like we're a family. Hey, 419 00:24:07,770 --> 00:24:10,200 don't you think that's a memo these these 420 00:24:10,260 --> 00:24:13,470 John C Dvorak: guys ain't there wasn't no but you deal with 421 00:24:13,470 --> 00:24:18,630 family? What do you say? Hey, what to your family? Hey, 422 00:24:18,629 --> 00:24:21,959 Adam Curry: friends. This this. This is a thing. Hey, friend, 423 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,050 John C Dvorak: Randy said what a sales car. I used car sales guy. 424 00:24:25,050 --> 00:24:26,100 No, this is what 425 00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:30,240 Adam Curry: Millennials Gen Z. This is what Joe Rogan says. 426 00:24:30,360 --> 00:24:34,170 Hey, friends. Hey, he says hey friends at the start of every 427 00:24:34,170 --> 00:24:39,270 single one of his ads. Hey friends. Yeah. It's kind of a 428 00:24:39,270 --> 00:24:42,930 generic non threatening because you can't say hey guys, oops. 429 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:49,320 You can't say hey people oops. Um, so it is the it is a safe 430 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:54,630 way to address a crowd Hey, friends. It is close next 431 00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:55,560 tonight ladies 432 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:56,850 John C Dvorak: and germs. Oh no, my 433 00:24:56,850 --> 00:24:59,640 Adam Curry: favorite way. Oh, no, no. Hey, it's it's a follow 434 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,160 on to Hey comrade I think I think it's a 435 00:25:02,550 --> 00:25:05,490 John C Dvorak: a comrade it is. Yes. You nailed it. Yeah, 436 00:25:05,550 --> 00:25:07,830 Adam Curry: it's Hey comrade. Yeah. Okay, let's just listen to 437 00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:11,430 that again. Hey, comrades. That's what it is. It's code for 438 00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:12,720 comrade. Well, 439 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,760 Unknown: we're here to talk more about this whole situation our 440 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,220 NPSP long and Kira Eisner hate both 441 00:25:17,220 --> 00:25:21,180 of you. Hey, Elsa. Hey, hey, Elsa. Hey, hey, hey. So 442 00:25:21,180 --> 00:25:23,730 Carrie, I want to start with you because you wrote to Texas last 443 00:25:23,730 --> 00:25:28,320 week and you were here on this mission to find raw milk and 444 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,870 test it for this virus. What did you find? 445 00:25:31,139 --> 00:25:34,649 I found it was quite easy to purchase in Texas, it's legal 446 00:25:34,649 --> 00:25:39,929 there. And all I had to do was drive up to these farms and 447 00:25:39,929 --> 00:25:43,589 purchase the milk directly from them. In some cases, there was a 448 00:25:43,589 --> 00:25:47,279 store attendant who I paid the money to in other cases, there 449 00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:50,189 wasn't even anybody there. I just opened the door to the 450 00:25:50,189 --> 00:25:55,019 fridge, grabbed the milk, left cash in a drop box and came out. 451 00:25:56,430 --> 00:26:00,690 Adam Curry: Wow, Texas is in an out of control, man. You just 452 00:26:00,690 --> 00:26:04,830 walk up and grab the milk. And you're good to go. Whoa, 453 00:26:04,859 --> 00:26:07,409 John C Dvorak: they don't quite make they I think they're 454 00:26:07,439 --> 00:26:09,419 somewhat baffled. We have this in Washington. 455 00:26:09,930 --> 00:26:12,450 Adam Curry: It's called Self Service Honor system friend, 456 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,300 John C Dvorak: some routers onramps. They're called onfarm 457 00:26:15,300 --> 00:26:17,940 honor farms. You know, that's a good and they're all over the 458 00:26:17,940 --> 00:26:22,110 place. And you just go up there. Now if there was in California, 459 00:26:22,350 --> 00:26:26,250 they would not only not pay, they would steal the box of 460 00:26:26,250 --> 00:26:30,210 money and the refrigerator would both be gone. 461 00:26:30,270 --> 00:26:33,540 Adam Curry: As long as it's under $950 in value. It's okay 462 00:26:33,540 --> 00:26:34,200 comrade. 463 00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:40,020 John C Dvorak: So I found it was she seemed a bit none of she was 464 00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:42,810 what she wants. She was baffled by the fact that you could just 465 00:26:42,810 --> 00:26:46,680 go buy something without having to see somebody that you had to 466 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:47,550 do it by honor. 467 00:26:47,580 --> 00:26:49,830 Adam Curry: What is this? Hold on? Isn't that how California 468 00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:52,080 shopping works? You just go in and take it out? 469 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,130 John C Dvorak: Well, nowadays. 470 00:26:55,170 --> 00:26:57,840 Adam Curry: Oh, okay. All right. Next clip. 471 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,110 Unknown: In one of those farms in San Antonio. I met another 472 00:27:01,110 --> 00:27:04,320 woman who was buying milk. Her name was Cheryl Moss from and 473 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,710 she said she's been drinking raw milk on and off for the past 15 474 00:27:07,710 --> 00:27:08,610 to 20 years 475 00:27:08,669 --> 00:27:11,549 because I think that Roundup is typically a much better quality. 476 00:27:11,699 --> 00:27:14,309 Right now. We're just kind of watching the situation. And 477 00:27:14,340 --> 00:27:17,760 that was in Texas, which was around zero for this outbreak. 478 00:27:18,930 --> 00:27:21,330 Adam Curry: We're ground zero or 479 00:27:21,329 --> 00:27:24,419 John C Dvorak: Texas or ground zero. You know, 480 00:27:25,500 --> 00:27:28,230 Adam Curry: it was the meat mafia boys who gave me my most 481 00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:31,530 recent jug of raw milk. Oh, you 482 00:27:31,530 --> 00:27:33,690 John C Dvorak: got some? Oh, it is. 483 00:27:34,110 --> 00:27:37,230 Adam Curry: It's almost like eggnog. It's so good. It's 484 00:27:37,230 --> 00:27:40,680 pretty taste is eggnog is basically if you like eggnog, 485 00:27:40,740 --> 00:27:42,750 you will like raw milk scientists can 486 00:27:42,749 --> 00:27:46,229 Unknown: tell that's where bird flu jumps to cows last December 487 00:27:46,229 --> 00:27:48,659 and kicked off this whole outbreak. Wait so 488 00:27:48,660 --> 00:27:52,290 can people get bird flu from drinking raw milk? 489 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,770 Adam Curry: Wait But wait, drink 490 00:27:55,770 --> 00:27:58,740 John C Dvorak: writing read from this Scripps ping like what I 491 00:27:58,740 --> 00:27:59,850 know for CES? 492 00:28:00,749 --> 00:28:04,559 Adam Curry: Yes. In bold in bold letters with italics 493 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,320 Unknown: seeking raw milk pink, like what do we know about the 494 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:07,890 risks? 495 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,700 Well, it's all theoretical. And the answer is maybe but 496 00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:16,140 honestly, health officials just don't know. So the FDA we heard 497 00:28:16,140 --> 00:28:19,380 from him in the intro, he's very clear that the agency doesn't 498 00:28:19,380 --> 00:28:22,650 recommend drinking raw milk but he also says that there are a 499 00:28:22,650 --> 00:28:24,030 lot of open questions. 500 00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:26,520 Adam Curry: I just want to remind everybody because I know 501 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,880 that we were doing the show when this happened. I think we were 502 00:28:30,300 --> 00:28:34,770 what were we doing the show when I had the castle? No, I don't 503 00:28:34,770 --> 00:28:41,100 think so. No, it was a year prep post castle. So pre show I had 504 00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:46,620 the castle in Belgium good good times. And we had we you own the 505 00:28:46,620 --> 00:28:50,040 castle. I own the castle. Yes. You rented it as I said good 506 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,110 times. No, no, no, no, no. 507 00:28:53,130 --> 00:28:55,680 John C Dvorak: Those were that's got overhead issues. Yeah, 508 00:28:55,710 --> 00:28:59,100 Adam Curry: because you got to get a guy to do the outside you 509 00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:01,710 got to get someone on the inside and then a third person to make 510 00:29:01,710 --> 00:29:04,470 sure those people aren't ripping you off. Now it's bad. And 511 00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:07,440 that's all in Belgium where everything is complicated. But 512 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,740 anyway, we had a black swans a family of black swans and the 513 00:29:10,740 --> 00:29:14,250 mother and father always stay there which was nice. The you 514 00:29:14,250 --> 00:29:17,670 know, the swan swans will come up and that actually walk into 515 00:29:17,670 --> 00:29:21,930 the into the living room sometimes. What? Oh, yeah. Oh, 516 00:29:21,930 --> 00:29:22,770 yeah. Swans are 517 00:29:22,770 --> 00:29:24,210 Unknown: braised up the door open. 518 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,940 Adam Curry: Yes. This Ron come in. He's like, You got something 519 00:29:26,940 --> 00:29:32,190 to eat? Yeah, all swans? Dude. When I when I this was Dude. 520 00:29:32,220 --> 00:29:34,890 John C Dvorak: Dude. I had a helipad. This is good. I know 521 00:29:34,890 --> 00:29:38,460 you had a helipad. Right? So I would come in. How much money 522 00:29:38,460 --> 00:29:39,510 were you burning? 523 00:29:39,780 --> 00:29:42,450 Adam Curry: Oh, I burned it off. I burned it all on castles and 524 00:29:42,450 --> 00:29:45,840 helicopters. I burnt literally burned my money in the air. So 525 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,050 I'd come flying and you're coming into a slow hover. 526 00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:52,890 John C Dvorak: 300 feet there was a black swan chopped up. No, 527 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:53,160 they 528 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:58,230 Adam Curry: would both come flying toward me. And and split 529 00:29:58,230 --> 00:30:01,380 off like cut Top Gun. shorts, they would split off to the 530 00:30:01,380 --> 00:30:03,840 right and the left it was. And they would always do that they 531 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,650 will come and say hello to me. Anyway, so we had tons of ducks. 532 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,750 And then there was bird flu. And the bird flu was bad. And they 533 00:30:12,750 --> 00:30:18,060 were calling chickens all over the place. In fact, it came into 534 00:30:18,060 --> 00:30:21,570 like a three kilometer radius. And it was right around the 535 00:30:21,570 --> 00:30:23,970 castle because we were pretty sure that we're going to come 536 00:30:23,970 --> 00:30:27,600 and call our, our, our ducks and our swans, and I was kind of 537 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,950 ready for some kind of confrontation. And, but that 538 00:30:31,950 --> 00:30:35,040 didn't happen. It stayed contained. And one of the guys 539 00:30:35,070 --> 00:30:38,070 you know, one of my neighbors who had chickens, he got bird 540 00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:41,130 flu. And he would come over to the house. He's like, Oh, how 541 00:30:41,130 --> 00:30:45,630 you doing? I got the bird flu. And it was like a like a, like a 542 00:30:45,630 --> 00:30:50,220 bad flu. And he lived he just we just stayed home for a day or 543 00:30:50,220 --> 00:30:54,810 two and took some took some Advil. And he got over it and he 544 00:30:54,810 --> 00:30:59,220 lived he did not die. And it was the authorities that killed all 545 00:30:59,220 --> 00:31:04,350 his chickens. Now, they were still tasty. So anyway, long, 546 00:31:04,350 --> 00:31:08,010 long story short, this is this is not a dangerous disease for 547 00:31:08,010 --> 00:31:13,650 humans. No more dangerous than the flu. And immune members, 548 00:31:13,650 --> 00:31:16,260 swine flu. I had swine flu. Remember, I got swine flu. 549 00:31:16,290 --> 00:31:18,300 John C Dvorak: I live you guys swine flu. 550 00:31:18,390 --> 00:31:22,290 Adam Curry: I lived I lived. Okay, back to pressing 551 00:31:22,290 --> 00:31:23,940 John C Dvorak: your luck with this conversation. 552 00:31:24,510 --> 00:31:26,460 Unknown: There's not a tremendous amount of studies 553 00:31:26,460 --> 00:31:30,990 showing the infectivity related to this virus and raw milk 554 00:31:31,050 --> 00:31:31,650 products. 555 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,180 But one person whose for sure. 556 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,420 John C Dvorak: Did you hear what he just yeah, why are they 557 00:31:36,420 --> 00:31:40,050 banning it and making a big fuss? They've got no they got 558 00:31:40,050 --> 00:31:43,230 nothing. Nothing, nothing evidence. So so 559 00:31:43,260 --> 00:31:47,190 Adam Curry: here is my story. reiterated by the experts. 560 00:31:47,250 --> 00:31:47,760 There's not 561 00:31:47,790 --> 00:31:50,820 Unknown: a tremendous amount of studies showing the infectivity 562 00:31:50,850 --> 00:31:54,660 related to this virus and raw milk products. But 563 00:31:54,660 --> 00:31:57,960 one person who's for sure gotten bird flu so far was a dairy 564 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,810 worker in Texas and he was dealing with sick cows he 565 00:32:01,050 --> 00:32:07,950 probably got exposed to sprays of infected milk and manure both 566 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,720 as far as health authorities can tell no one has gotten bird food 567 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,980 from drinking raw milk yet. That's what we're hopeful for 568 00:32:16,980 --> 00:32:19,950 from drinking raw milk yet. So what they're leaning on in their 569 00:32:19,950 --> 00:32:22,680 recommendation is the fact that people have gotten sick from 570 00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:26,100 other things in raw milk like salmonella and E. Coli. And 571 00:32:26,130 --> 00:32:28,290 that's why they don't think people should drink it. No one 572 00:32:28,289 --> 00:32:31,379 Adam Curry: has gotten sick from the raw milk. They're just 573 00:32:31,379 --> 00:32:33,629 saying that so 574 00:32:33,629 --> 00:32:35,969 John C Dvorak: here we go. Now the thing that bothered me about 575 00:32:35,999 --> 00:32:39,329 what they were I cut it off there because the thing about 576 00:32:39,329 --> 00:32:43,649 raw milk that is problematic and it comes up in these dairies 577 00:32:43,709 --> 00:32:47,969 aren't doing their job and is Listeriosis not and they don't 578 00:32:47,969 --> 00:32:52,889 even mention that. And so Listeriosis, which also shows up 579 00:32:52,889 --> 00:32:57,149 everyplace else too. There's a CDC page I sent you a copy of it 580 00:32:57,149 --> 00:33:02,519 was shown in the show notes, but people should look on the on 581 00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:05,939 this page as you will check it out and read the the outbreaks 582 00:33:05,939 --> 00:33:09,809 of Listeriosis that are on the on the sidebar on the left and 583 00:33:09,809 --> 00:33:12,749 I'm going to read a few of them is the reporting timeline. 584 00:33:13,499 --> 00:33:19,319 listeria outbreak linked to queso fresco and CO T hace so 585 00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:23,309 first outbreak linked to peaches, nectarines and plums 586 00:33:23,339 --> 00:33:28,679 listeria outbreak linked to ice cream, listeria outbreak leaked 587 00:33:28,679 --> 00:33:32,819 to leafy greens listeria outbreak linked to a gnocchi 588 00:33:32,819 --> 00:33:37,589 mushrooms listeria outbreak linked to deli meat and cheese 589 00:33:37,619 --> 00:33:38,939 my favorite on and on and 590 00:33:40,170 --> 00:33:42,390 Adam Curry: Nick link to Bri and come on bear 591 00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:46,829 John C Dvorak: Bri and Cameron bear and package and my daughter 592 00:33:46,829 --> 00:33:53,069 is the raw milk on this list. Whereas it's not there. Here's 593 00:33:53,069 --> 00:33:56,819 one the outbreak of listeria infections linked to hard boiled 594 00:33:56,849 --> 00:33:57,539 eggs. 595 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,020 Unknown: I mean, where are you from milk? 596 00:34:01,050 --> 00:34:03,390 Adam Curry: Yeah, it's not there. It's not there. 597 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,520 John C Dvorak: No list is not on this 598 00:34:05,550 --> 00:34:08,880 Adam Curry: and that that is the CDC page they're referring to 599 00:34:10,020 --> 00:34:13,590 what they're referring to here Yeah, as a side as a side note, 600 00:34:13,590 --> 00:34:13,920 what 601 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,770 John C Dvorak: is the hang up you know me me I said it on the 602 00:34:16,770 --> 00:34:20,100 last show made me claims is because that it required the 603 00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:23,640 kinds of inspections the raw milk dairies require and what 604 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,810 they have to do is too much work for the USDA, the CDC and 605 00:34:27,810 --> 00:34:30,750 everybody else they don't want to do it. They just don't want 606 00:34:30,750 --> 00:34:33,540 to do it so they just assume you boil everything and send it out 607 00:34:33,540 --> 00:34:35,910 to the public and screw the public of even if they want to 608 00:34:35,910 --> 00:34:39,540 drink raw milk because it's probably healthier or is claimed 609 00:34:39,540 --> 00:34:42,120 to be because it's got more enzymes and everything natural 610 00:34:42,900 --> 00:34:45,270 Adam Curry: bakwin So I got a boots on the ground from 611 00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:48,510 producer crystal and she said you know, we were very poor for 612 00:34:48,510 --> 00:34:54,510 a while and the I was able to get some food and some and some 613 00:34:54,510 --> 00:34:58,410 wi C Food Program money that's the women infant and children. 614 00:34:58,410 --> 00:35:02,520 So it's a poverty program. I'm like food stamps here in Texas 615 00:35:02,970 --> 00:35:06,630 and the government supplemental food program for low for low 616 00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:09,930 income families now, the so they they weren't poor enough for 617 00:35:09,930 --> 00:35:13,650 food stamps but they but they were poor enough to get the W 618 00:35:13,650 --> 00:35:19,620 IC. So the only high protein they were allowed to get was the 619 00:35:19,620 --> 00:35:22,350 only meat here it is the only meat you're allowed to get was 620 00:35:22,350 --> 00:35:23,700 canned fish. 621 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,930 John C Dvorak: Tuna. Yeah, everything 622 00:35:27,930 --> 00:35:31,260 Adam Curry: was high in sugar. We also had so much juice and 623 00:35:31,260 --> 00:35:33,630 frozen juice. We didn't use it because I couldn't imagine 624 00:35:33,630 --> 00:35:37,980 giving my child juice at every meal. So their firstborn was 625 00:35:37,980 --> 00:35:41,160 basically a vegetarian, but then became zinc deficient. 626 00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:46,830 underweight. Of course, WNYC gave some PD assure. And then my 627 00:35:46,830 --> 00:35:51,030 son started having 40 minute tantrums, he was absent, you 628 00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:54,300 know, like absent minded, his blood sugar was spiking from the 629 00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:58,230 PDF. Sure. So finally, they got to a better place financially, 630 00:35:58,230 --> 00:36:02,100 we're very happy. And she says, I started putting the kids on 631 00:36:02,100 --> 00:36:05,970 grass fed meat, raw milk, pasture raised eggs, and we've 632 00:36:05,970 --> 00:36:11,490 never had a problem since the kids look beautiful. So there 633 00:36:11,490 --> 00:36:14,670 you go. It's the OP whenever the government says something run 634 00:36:14,670 --> 00:36:21,510 the opposite way. run the other direction. They want us they 635 00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:23,160 either want us dead. I don't 636 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,080 John C Dvorak: know what their problem is with the problem with 637 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,630 these agencies that they're they're corrupted. Yes. They've 638 00:36:27,630 --> 00:36:30,450 been captured by various industries and they're just 639 00:36:30,450 --> 00:36:32,610 corrupted. There's nothing There's no two ways about it. 640 00:36:32,610 --> 00:36:35,790 Yes. And his milk thing is ridiculous. So but let's go on 641 00:36:35,790 --> 00:36:35,910 with 642 00:36:36,750 --> 00:36:39,660 Adam Curry: your point. Let's just stick a pin in that they're 643 00:36:39,660 --> 00:36:43,650 corrupted. Because they are all for industry. They're not for 644 00:36:43,650 --> 00:36:47,130 your health. CDC is not for your health. They are for industry. 645 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,320 Remember COVID? And 646 00:36:49,350 --> 00:36:52,050 Unknown: are people who drink raw milk actually taking this 647 00:36:52,050 --> 00:36:53,970 advice? laugh till it 648 00:36:53,970 --> 00:36:56,520 doesn't seem like it. I'll set okay, we reached 649 00:36:57,930 --> 00:37:00,330 Adam Curry: but I do I sit at home. I drink my pasteurized 650 00:37:00,330 --> 00:37:00,900 milk. 651 00:37:00,990 --> 00:37:03,720 Unknown: It doesn't seem like it. I'll set okay. We reached 652 00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:06,780 out to a few raw milk groups. And they say that the customers 653 00:37:06,810 --> 00:37:09,210 have been asking a lot of questions, but demand seems to 654 00:37:09,210 --> 00:37:10,080 be holding steady. 655 00:37:10,170 --> 00:37:13,770 How popular is raw milk anyway? Like I don't think I have ever 656 00:37:13,770 --> 00:37:15,180 tasted it. Yeah. 657 00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:19,440 Adam Curry: She's never tasted raw milk this woman and she's a 658 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,890 reporter and she's reporting on the story. Isn't that something 659 00:37:22,890 --> 00:37:26,760 like you? You'd want to do that? I mean, we've reported on 660 00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:30,330 Adderall. Why? Because I've tried it. Vyvanse tried it. 661 00:37:30,570 --> 00:37:34,260 Tried everything. I mean, we want to know about LSD. We go to 662 00:37:34,260 --> 00:37:38,190 John C. Dvorak. we've all tried it. We're real reporters. I've 663 00:37:38,340 --> 00:37:41,490 I've never had raw milk Harmer. Fran 664 00:37:41,580 --> 00:37:43,740 Unknown: is raw milk anyway, like, I don't think I have ever 665 00:37:43,740 --> 00:37:45,150 tasted it. Yeah, 666 00:37:45,150 --> 00:37:46,890 well, this not actually was 667 00:37:46,890 --> 00:37:49,620 John C Dvorak: stopped stopped by the left. She doesn't think 668 00:37:49,620 --> 00:37:53,550 she's ever tasted it. Does she not even know what she's up to 669 00:37:53,550 --> 00:37:57,000 on a day to day basis? And she's drinking stuff? I don't know. I 670 00:37:57,390 --> 00:37:59,010 remember. Hammered 671 00:37:59,010 --> 00:38:01,770 Adam Curry: man. I don't remember what it was. Anyway, 672 00:38:01,770 --> 00:38:03,600 Unknown: like, I don't think I have ever tasted it. 673 00:38:03,930 --> 00:38:07,410 Yeah, well, there's not actually a lot of raw milk drinkers. less 674 00:38:07,410 --> 00:38:11,280 than 2% of the adult population in the US, according to an FDA 675 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,990 study from a couple of years ago know 676 00:38:12,990 --> 00:38:14,940 John C Dvorak: what it is 6 million people, 677 00:38:14,970 --> 00:38:19,080 Adam Curry: these women, they drink soy milk and nuts. That's 678 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:19,590 why 679 00:38:19,620 --> 00:38:22,530 John C Dvorak: they drink nuts. Almond milk, yes, that's the 680 00:38:22,530 --> 00:38:22,860 muck. 681 00:38:23,580 --> 00:38:25,860 Unknown: But the ones who do drink it are very passionate 682 00:38:25,860 --> 00:38:29,490 about it. And they usually fall into two camps. So there's the 683 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,640 Trump voters original raw milk supporters who've been around 684 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,240 for decades, they've long wanted access to local healthy food. 685 00:38:36,690 --> 00:38:40,980 And more recently, movement has picked up people that want less 686 00:38:40,980 --> 00:38:44,100 government regulation, food freedom. So hopefully we've 687 00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:47,460 watched this industry for a long time say that this food freedom 688 00:38:47,490 --> 00:38:50,430 was boosted by COVID When distrust of the government and 689 00:38:50,430 --> 00:38:53,130 government scientists really grew Oh, 690 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,950 Adam Curry: there it is food freedom they must be Republicans 691 00:38:56,100 --> 00:39:02,310 food freedom, trust of the science dog. Imagine that food 692 00:39:02,340 --> 00:39:07,380 freedom. And I'm looking at the trolls and the trolls have good 693 00:39:07,380 --> 00:39:11,100 points as always, but you have to think that the government 694 00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:15,270 wants to kill you and weaken your immune system. If only it 695 00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:19,110 were that easy. What John said is correct. They are captured 696 00:39:19,110 --> 00:39:22,740 they are working for industry industry says we can't have this 697 00:39:22,830 --> 00:39:27,780 we need to sell our pasteurized milk or nuts that products that 698 00:39:27,810 --> 00:39:32,160 that is what you can. These are big lobbies. So that's why they 699 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,970 get these reports put out and get em they're clearly feeding 700 00:39:35,970 --> 00:39:38,700 the news media wait until you hear my CBS clips. 701 00:39:39,150 --> 00:39:41,040 John C Dvorak: And by the way, I want to mention this is about a 702 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,850 15 minute report blasting raw milk I just shipped out a bunch 703 00:39:44,850 --> 00:39:46,650 about five six minutes of it 704 00:39:46,650 --> 00:39:49,590 Adam Curry: you have chipped Well my friend. A chipping away. 705 00:39:49,650 --> 00:39:51,750 John C Dvorak: What about was what clip for? Yeah, where are 706 00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:52,740 you filming clip now? We're 707 00:39:52,740 --> 00:39:54,660 Adam Curry: on five now we're on five ready? Fine. 708 00:39:54,780 --> 00:39:56,790 Unknown: What about testing? I mean, it sounds like there's all 709 00:39:56,790 --> 00:40:00,330 this fear and people are saying no, that's just speculation. But 710 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,090 it seems like knowing whether there is actually the virus 711 00:40:03,090 --> 00:40:06,720 inside the raw milk supply would help clear this up. So Chiara, 712 00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:08,640 what do we know? Why does 713 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,590 Adam Curry: she keep laughing about it? 714 00:40:11,370 --> 00:40:13,080 John C Dvorak: I don't know. It's weird. It's 715 00:40:14,429 --> 00:40:17,819 Adam Curry: these people, these Republicans is Trump voters than 716 00:40:17,819 --> 00:40:20,939 tricking the drinking bird flu virus. 717 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,590 Unknown: You're right. It would really help to know if and how 718 00:40:25,590 --> 00:40:29,430 much virus is out there in the virus supply being sold now to 719 00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:29,820 people 720 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:34,410 Adam Curry: how much virus is being sold to people? Wow. NPR 721 00:40:34,410 --> 00:40:37,320 needs to be shut down. In fact, it 722 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,750 John C Dvorak: does need to be shut down. It would kind of hurt 723 00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:43,320 our show. But it needs to be shut down. 724 00:40:43,590 --> 00:40:45,990 Unknown: But testing doesn't seem to be happening regularly. 725 00:40:46,020 --> 00:40:49,530 And that data is really hard to come by. That's why we tried to 726 00:40:49,530 --> 00:40:52,770 find our own. But when I brought raw milk that I bought from 727 00:40:52,770 --> 00:40:56,490 those for Texas farms to one of the few labs authorized by the 728 00:40:56,490 --> 00:41:01,470 USDA to test milk for bird flu, the lab insisted on calling each 729 00:41:01,470 --> 00:41:05,550 of the four farms first for permission. Though the USDA has 730 00:41:05,550 --> 00:41:08,760 confirmed the agency doesn't require permission from farms to 731 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,510 perform the test. None of the farms gave the lab permission to 732 00:41:12,510 --> 00:41:16,050 run the tests. They told the lab they were aware of what a non 733 00:41:16,050 --> 00:41:19,410 negative result would do for their business. So the lab 734 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,210 refused to test our samples. 735 00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:26,430 Adam Curry: Oh, that's suspicious. A non negative non 736 00:41:26,430 --> 00:41:29,670 negative test that could be bad for us. Oh, we 737 00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:34,140 John C Dvorak: don't. Okay. Now, I as a lab rat in my Yes. A 738 00:41:34,140 --> 00:41:37,140 younger day. Your day? Yeah. I don't believe this. 739 00:41:37,740 --> 00:41:39,510 Adam Curry: That they wouldn't test it. I don't believe it 740 00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:42,330 either. I think that farms that the ranchers don't want to test 741 00:41:42,330 --> 00:41:43,020 it like get good, 742 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,710 John C Dvorak: I'm sure. Reg, but so you go to the suppose it 743 00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:52,740 USDA approval, go to a different lab. There are labs that can 744 00:41:52,740 --> 00:41:56,790 test for this. I was in about I was thinking about this, what 745 00:41:56,790 --> 00:42:01,380 was going on here? And they sent her excuses. Well, you know, 746 00:42:01,380 --> 00:42:05,310 they couldn't do it. She's a reporter working for NPR. She 747 00:42:05,310 --> 00:42:08,610 has a budget, they went to the lab, this my guess, okay, they 748 00:42:08,610 --> 00:42:11,160 went to the lab and they say, yeah, we can test for this. It's 749 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:16,590 going to cost you $1,500 a test. Or 2500. These are not going to 750 00:42:16,590 --> 00:42:22,530 be achieved test to test for a bird flew in raw milk from an 751 00:42:22,530 --> 00:42:26,250 official lab that gets government money. Yeah, yeah, 752 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,910 yeah. They're gonna say, yeah, here's, it's gonna cost you 6500 753 00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:35,880 bucks to do these tests, or more or more. And she says, I haven't 754 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,660 got a budget for that. And they only gave me $500. And 755 00:42:41,580 --> 00:42:44,640 Adam Curry: we can help you with advertising, underwriting, 756 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,250 whatever you want to call it as down is down. So we don't have 757 00:42:47,250 --> 00:42:48,540 the money for it. Yes. 758 00:42:48,570 --> 00:42:52,050 John C Dvorak: So. So she comes up with this cock and bull story 759 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,080 to get out of the fact that she didn't have the cash or they 760 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,900 didn't have the resources to do these tests. The 761 00:42:57,900 --> 00:43:01,170 Adam Curry: standard tests have 25 cycles, PCR, you know, that's 762 00:43:01,170 --> 00:43:04,680 part that's 500 bucks, but you really want the 45 cycle, don't 763 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,390 you? Yeah, that's gonna cost you extra. 764 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,110 John C Dvorak: Well, beyond that, because they have to be 765 00:43:10,140 --> 00:43:16,770 equipted it just, it's, it's not like testing for sodium in in 766 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,070 cereal. It's not like a potassium test. It's not like a 767 00:43:20,070 --> 00:43:25,890 simple test. Bird flu virus. This is an inexpensive test, no 768 00:43:25,890 --> 00:43:28,410 matter how you're going to look at it. So she just dropped the 769 00:43:28,410 --> 00:43:31,020 ball on this and they weren't they couldn't you know, the way 770 00:43:31,020 --> 00:43:33,300 you would have done it if you'd done it right. So you know, you 771 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,140 you would you like some free publicity for this lab. You 772 00:43:37,140 --> 00:43:39,750 know, we'll give you a big write up and we'll get you a promote 773 00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:42,240 you and if you just do the damn test 774 00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:44,730 Adam Curry: for free, hey, it's good for your exposure. It's 775 00:43:44,730 --> 00:43:47,100 good for your for your brand. It's good for your brand. It's 776 00:43:47,100 --> 00:43:48,510 good for your brand if we do that, 777 00:43:48,570 --> 00:43:50,910 John C Dvorak: so she doesn't get the test done and the whole 778 00:43:50,910 --> 00:43:53,580 thing falls through so that so the whole reason for this 779 00:43:53,580 --> 00:43:56,280 report, which began if you listened to beginning was to 780 00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,630 grab some raw milk from does Texas that test ne'er do wells? 781 00:44:00,630 --> 00:44:04,230 Yeah. and test it and she couldn't get that job done. So 782 00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:07,140 this continues on with a little discussion. And then it ends 783 00:44:07,140 --> 00:44:10,770 with this clip, which is the eye roller clip that just is like 784 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,310 oh, okay, let's just make stuff up and try to frighten the 785 00:44:14,310 --> 00:44:15,180 public. If 786 00:44:15,180 --> 00:44:18,030 Unknown: drinking milk with a virus is an easy way for people 787 00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:21,600 to get infected banned. There are other worries like what 788 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:22,140 Chiara 789 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:23,250 John C Dvorak: like what? 790 00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:27,840 Adam Curry: Like, you gotta have the rustle of the paper. She 791 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:32,730 turns the page on the script, like what Kiara did, 792 00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:34,560 Unknown: and there are other worries 793 00:44:34,620 --> 00:44:36,360 like what Chiara so 794 00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:39,780 the worry is that influenza viruses from two different 795 00:44:39,780 --> 00:44:43,530 species like a human and a bird species, in fact, one person at 796 00:44:43,530 --> 00:44:46,920 the same time, a new kind of virus could be created, that 797 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:51,000 would be more contagious. People that could lead to a pandemic 798 00:44:51,630 --> 00:44:54,810 animals the flu spreads to and the more people It spreads to 799 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,840 the greater the chances that that could happen. That's why 800 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,060 even though the official assessment is that the risks The 801 00:45:00,060 --> 00:45:03,360 public is low. Federal health officials are urging people to 802 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,400 be cautious and not drink raw milk. So 803 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,770 Adam Curry: we're back to the wet market and Wuhan, is that 804 00:45:07,770 --> 00:45:11,490 what this is basically, but they are they trying to remind us 805 00:45:11,490 --> 00:45:14,610 that that actually happened somehow that you eat the 806 00:45:14,610 --> 00:45:18,990 infected animal and then you get the pathogen because that's what 807 00:45:18,990 --> 00:45:20,550 it sounds like they're trying to do. 808 00:45:20,910 --> 00:45:22,920 John C Dvorak: They don't know what they're this is a bit 809 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:27,060 flailing. This is a terrible report. And all it is is don't 810 00:45:27,060 --> 00:45:29,910 drink raw milk and nobody who drinks raw milk is going to 811 00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:33,210 listen to them because they usually have a trusted dairy 812 00:45:33,210 --> 00:45:37,500 that they just did this the United randomly drinking it and 813 00:45:37,500 --> 00:45:39,960 you just drinking from one source usually that you can 814 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:44,280 trust and there's only a few of them and because there's too 815 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:48,360 much work to make the stuff to be honest about it. And and 816 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,590 they're just trying to dissuade everyone it this is a piss poor 817 00:45:52,590 --> 00:45:56,640 job of FOMO and this is going to continue I don't know what 818 00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,220 they're doing going getting nowhere with this now. 819 00:45:59,220 --> 00:46:02,040 Adam Curry: No, they are not now they have a new tactic. And 820 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:06,750 that's we will witness that in the clips from CBS. But I want 821 00:46:06,750 --> 00:46:11,010 to take a little detour. It's almost like an entre mom or no 822 00:46:11,010 --> 00:46:12,900 what's what's in the in the middle of the meal. What do you 823 00:46:12,900 --> 00:46:13,410 call that? 824 00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:14,640 John C Dvorak: A prosperity Andhra Mama? 825 00:46:14,730 --> 00:46:16,740 Adam Curry: Oh, that's the entre motto the entrepreneurs before 826 00:46:16,740 --> 00:46:18,600 you eat? No, no, no. 827 00:46:18,810 --> 00:46:20,910 John C Dvorak: That's the aperitif. Oh, oh, yes, I'm 828 00:46:20,910 --> 00:46:25,290 Adam Curry: sorry, the entre Ma, a little entre MA from Bitcoin. 829 00:46:25,290 --> 00:46:33,180 Bobby, who was interrogated by Ben Shapiro, fast talking spesa 830 00:46:33,180 --> 00:46:36,420 six gun in the West Ben Shapiro. Then he turned it into a 831 00:46:36,420 --> 00:46:40,140 campaign ad. But it was quite good in this context, because 832 00:46:40,290 --> 00:46:45,330 Bitcoin Bobby, the OP is telling us how to drain the swamp of 833 00:46:45,330 --> 00:46:50,490 exactly this problem. Every single agency and the the 834 00:46:50,490 --> 00:46:52,920 agencies are part of the executive branch. Are they not? 835 00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:56,790 Am I Yes. Okay. So this is they should be listening to the 836 00:46:56,790 --> 00:47:00,990 president, the president should be the one who is in charge of 837 00:47:00,990 --> 00:47:05,700 them. And he explains in this clip, it's 145, a little longer 838 00:47:05,700 --> 00:47:10,230 than I'd like, but it's good. He explains what the swamp is, the 839 00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:14,040 how its captured, why Trump couldn't drain it. And then what 840 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:15,210 he would do if he was president, 841 00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:17,070 Unknown: what do you do about the size and scope of the 842 00:47:17,070 --> 00:47:19,890 executive branch is completely unwieldy. You have enormous 843 00:47:19,890 --> 00:47:21,570 numbers of people who are supposedly experts in their 844 00:47:21,570 --> 00:47:23,790 particular field. How do you clean that out? 845 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,150 You do one agency at a time and I've sued almost all these 846 00:47:27,150 --> 00:47:33,540 agencies. I've sued NIH, CDC, FDA, EPA, the USDA multiple 847 00:47:33,540 --> 00:47:37,350 times, you know, it didn't start out corrupted. It started out 848 00:47:37,380 --> 00:47:41,040 idealistic. I started out models for the rest of the world, I 849 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,040 started out serving the public interest. And they didn't always 850 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,850 do that perfectly, because bureaucracies make mistakes. But 851 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,120 you can restore those cultures, you stop the profits, the 852 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,060 hearings, FDA gets almost 50% of its budget from the 853 00:47:54,060 --> 00:47:56,730 pharmaceutical companies. Of course, that's not going to work 854 00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,030 and I hate scientists shouldn't be able to collect royalties, we 855 00:48:00,030 --> 00:48:03,210 have to stop the revolving doors and put corporate capture on 856 00:48:03,210 --> 00:48:07,770 steroids. In these agencies, there are individuals at high 857 00:48:07,770 --> 00:48:10,620 levels who have corrupted them. And I'm not just talking about 858 00:48:10,620 --> 00:48:14,790 the agencies, but also the CIA. I had dinner with Mike Pompeo 859 00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:18,090 about four months ago. And he said to me, my one biggest 860 00:48:18,090 --> 00:48:21,150 regret life is that I didn't clean up the CIA when I had a 861 00:48:21,150 --> 00:48:25,110 chance I was running it and he's at erschien entire upper echelon 862 00:48:25,110 --> 00:48:29,100 of that agency are made up of individuals who do not believe 863 00:48:29,100 --> 00:48:32,790 in the democratic institutions of the United States of America, 864 00:48:32,820 --> 00:48:36,150 the upper echelons are controlled by the military 865 00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:39,000 industrial complex and people who would do its bidding. When 866 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,690 we sued Monsanto. We got discovery documents that showed 867 00:48:42,690 --> 00:48:47,220 that the head of the pesticide division at EPA for over a 868 00:48:47,220 --> 00:48:51,090 decade was taking his orders from the highest officials of 869 00:48:51,090 --> 00:48:55,230 Monsanto to make sure no study got done that would you look at 870 00:48:55,260 --> 00:48:59,130 the links between glyphosate and cancer, I can tell you who those 871 00:48:59,130 --> 00:49:03,810 individuals are at CDC collied Boyle, Frank De Stefano, I know 872 00:49:03,810 --> 00:49:06,930 the names because I've dealt with them. I know who has to be 873 00:49:06,930 --> 00:49:10,350 moved. President Trump wanted to do this, President Trump came 874 00:49:10,350 --> 00:49:13,050 and say I'm going to drain the swamp, but he didn't know how to 875 00:49:13,050 --> 00:49:16,500 do it. You have individuals who are capable of committing a 876 00:49:16,500 --> 00:49:20,250 civil disobedience that will turn off the lights somewhere 877 00:49:20,250 --> 00:49:23,460 that will stop the sewage treatment plant will flood the 878 00:49:23,460 --> 00:49:26,490 streets, and that will embarrass the president. So they tiptoe 879 00:49:26,490 --> 00:49:28,950 around these agencies, and they never do anything about it 880 00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:32,040 because they don't know how to do it, but I know how I know 881 00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:33,270 exactly what to do. 882 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,520 Adam Curry: So there it is. He spells it out very, very clearly 883 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:43,410 and that mainly the you know, these these, they're terrorists, 884 00:49:43,410 --> 00:49:46,200 these these agency people because they'll turn out the 885 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,620 lights, they'll let raw sewage seep in the streets of Lebanon. 886 00:49:50,190 --> 00:49:55,200 And they will they will so now we come to CBS CIA broadcasting 887 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,280 systems and they have yes they have raw milk on the radar but 888 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,340 really This is going to somewhere else which I have 889 00:50:02,370 --> 00:50:05,820 uncovered. And we shall listen to a couple of these clips with 890 00:50:05,970 --> 00:50:10,110 America's other favorite doctor also not a veterinarian. Dr. 891 00:50:10,110 --> 00:50:13,800 Celine gounder. Wait, isn't she the woman who's whose husband 892 00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,210 died from the VAX? 893 00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:19,140 Unknown: I think she has. Yes. Yeah. So yeah, so 894 00:50:19,140 --> 00:50:20,220 Adam Curry: she should know better. But 895 00:50:20,220 --> 00:50:23,880 Unknown: okay, as bird flu spreads among cows in the US, 896 00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,210 the CDC is planning to publicly post that on the second. 897 00:50:27,810 --> 00:50:30,120 John C Dvorak: They start off with that premise. Oh, yeah. 898 00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:34,230 There is not a cow in the US that has bird flu, or 899 00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:39,780 Adam Curry: bird flu. For bird flu. Which is your axolotls. 900 00:50:39,780 --> 00:50:40,890 Interesting bird flu. 901 00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:42,600 John C Dvorak: Bird flu. By 902 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,220 Adam Curry: the way, it was a moose boosh is what I was 903 00:50:44,220 --> 00:50:45,420 thinking of before the meal. 904 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,330 John C Dvorak: Oh, the amuse bush. Yes. 905 00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:49,020 Adam Curry: amused. Yeah, 906 00:50:49,020 --> 00:50:52,290 John C Dvorak: that's a little. That is a tie for people out 907 00:50:52,290 --> 00:50:53,790 there. Here's us. 908 00:50:53,820 --> 00:50:56,010 Adam Curry: Here's how it goes. Here's how it goes. Chef has 909 00:50:56,010 --> 00:50:57,750 prepared something special for you. 910 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,930 John C Dvorak: It's using a spoon with a gabagool line. And 911 00:51:03,930 --> 00:51:08,550 they say here and explain what it is. The goal is 912 00:51:08,580 --> 00:51:12,270 Adam Curry: a spoon with a gob of goo and an animal like a nut 913 00:51:12,300 --> 00:51:13,590 like a blanket. Like 914 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,690 John C Dvorak: Like, like a pistachio. On top of the gob of 915 00:51:18,690 --> 00:51:19,080 goo. 916 00:51:21,210 --> 00:51:23,430 Adam Curry: mousse goo. We have an image and 917 00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:26,730 John C Dvorak: we bring it out. And they talk about I was at 918 00:51:26,730 --> 00:51:29,940 this dinner at Charlie Trotter's once where who's Charlie 919 00:51:29,940 --> 00:51:33,000 Trotter? Charlie Trotter is one of the greatest chefs the United 920 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,210 States ever saw. But he died recently. To your other home 921 00:51:36,210 --> 00:51:40,530 sorry, but he I went to his you know, I met the guy before 922 00:51:40,530 --> 00:51:43,170 because he was on the West Coast doing some something I was at. 923 00:51:43,470 --> 00:51:47,040 But he I went to I always wanted to go to his restaurant was one 924 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,530 of the best was the top restaurant Chicago at the time. 925 00:51:49,830 --> 00:51:53,040 So I go out there. I'm having dinner with my publisher and 926 00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,700 we're talking trying to talk about business. And his Joker 927 00:51:56,700 --> 00:51:59,580 just keeps coming over. He says Oh, Mr. Trotter would like you. 928 00:51:59,730 --> 00:52:02,970 Oh, Mr. Trotter, Mr. Trotter, and by the third time he said, 929 00:52:02,970 --> 00:52:06,510 you know we don't give a shit about Mr. Trotter go back and 930 00:52:06,510 --> 00:52:07,680 let us talk. 931 00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:12,390 Adam Curry: It's also not an order of net net. That's 932 00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:16,860 something different. By the way, Tina show borders are outside of 933 00:52:16,860 --> 00:52:19,710 the meal. Tina, this French Tina showed me something on Instagram 934 00:52:19,710 --> 00:52:23,760 one of our friends she posted we have Harry Corvair our first 935 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:31,380 crop is called green beans. They're all right back to the 936 00:52:31,380 --> 00:52:32,190 bird flow. 937 00:52:32,700 --> 00:52:35,940 Unknown: As bird flu spreads among cows in the US. 938 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,090 Adam Curry: The premise here right is just it's so misleading 939 00:52:39,090 --> 00:52:39,870 CDC is 940 00:52:40,260 --> 00:52:42,870 John C Dvorak: premise is totally misleading yet that is a 941 00:52:43,350 --> 00:52:46,050 right from the get go. This is a false report. Fake 942 00:52:46,050 --> 00:52:47,100 Adam Curry: news is fake news. 943 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:48,180 John C Dvorak: It's fake news, fake news. 944 00:52:48,210 --> 00:52:50,880 Adam Curry: I talked to ranchers ranchers. Today business is no 945 00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:51,540 bird flu. 946 00:52:51,570 --> 00:52:54,390 Unknown: It's the CDC is planning to publicly post data 947 00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:58,560 on the specific influenza virus found in wastewater. Bird flu is 948 00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,470 a sub type of influenza A 949 00:53:01,620 --> 00:53:04,980 Adam Curry: Okay, now we're getting somewhere. Bird flu is a 950 00:53:04,980 --> 00:53:09,270 subtype of influenza A sounds like something I could catch. 951 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,330 Unknown: It's been reported in dozens of towns across nine 952 00:53:12,330 --> 00:53:16,440 states. There's also been at least two human cases, agencies, 953 00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:20,730 it has identified the virus at multiple wastewater sites. You 954 00:53:20,730 --> 00:53:23,640 may remember wastewater testing played a crucial role in 955 00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,070 detecting COVID-19 during the pandemic. Yeah, 956 00:53:26,100 --> 00:53:29,970 Adam Curry: let's No, no, it did not. This is a lie. There's a 957 00:53:29,970 --> 00:53:35,250 lot there was it was sketchy at best. Everybody knew it. The 958 00:53:35,250 --> 00:53:38,040 company that was doing the wastewater testing went out of 959 00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,400 business. Somehow Google got some of this business. We have 960 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:46,260 wastewater aficionados in our producing audience. Yes, we do 961 00:53:46,260 --> 00:53:50,130 quite a few. And you know, and they're all it's all using PCR 962 00:53:50,130 --> 00:53:53,130 and you can do whatever you want. Spin it up. Oh, there's 963 00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:57,030 aids in the water. Oh, there's there's cholera. Oh, what? It's 964 00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:59,910 all there. The world the ghosts of everything. 965 00:54:00,210 --> 00:54:04,170 John C Dvorak: So we have two to three lies already on the CBS 966 00:54:04,170 --> 00:54:06,870 report right from the get go. We haven't even gotten to the juice 967 00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:07,950 yet. Dr. 968 00:54:07,950 --> 00:54:10,650 Unknown: Celine gounder, CBS News, medical contributor and 969 00:54:10,650 --> 00:54:14,880 editor at large for public health at K FF joins me now. So 970 00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,370 Dr. What does it mean that they're doing this kind of 971 00:54:17,370 --> 00:54:20,820 testing is are they being extra careful? Because they learned 972 00:54:20,820 --> 00:54:23,400 something from COVID about early detection? Or is there something 973 00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,110 particular going on here? Well, so 974 00:54:25,110 --> 00:54:28,380 this is a new tool that we have to help monitor and no, 975 00:54:28,380 --> 00:54:31,080 Adam Curry: I thought it was in use during COVID. You can't even 976 00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,710 get your own story straight. Now. It's a new tool. It's not 977 00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:37,740 an accurate two. By the way, we predicted they would do this we 978 00:54:37,740 --> 00:54:41,070 would predict they will be right down to the house. And they'll 979 00:54:41,070 --> 00:54:44,280 be like, okay, someone's pooping bird flew in there. Lock them up 980 00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:45,750 like man like Man, 981 00:54:45,780 --> 00:54:48,480 Unknown: this is a new tool that we have to help monitor 982 00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,240 infectious disease outbreaks. It's not the only tool and there 983 00:54:51,240 --> 00:54:54,210 are some limitations here. Oh, yeah. COVID was really just an 984 00:54:54,210 --> 00:54:57,870 infection of people, at least in the United States. With the bird 985 00:54:57,870 --> 00:55:01,260 flu as the name implies, it's not Not just humans, right? So 986 00:55:01,260 --> 00:55:02,610 you have birds who are infected 987 00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:11,310 John C Dvorak: not just humans, not just humans. What? Yeah, you 988 00:55:11,310 --> 00:55:14,070 know, this is I believe this is John Dickerson does giving this 989 00:55:14,070 --> 00:55:17,850 report by by his voice, and I'm not sure he should be ashamed of 990 00:55:17,850 --> 00:55:22,650 himself. He's one of the top producer, writer reporters at 991 00:55:22,650 --> 00:55:23,670 CBS. But you 992 00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:25,890 Adam Curry: have to understand fake news makes all the money 993 00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,130 real news makes no money. Case in point this podcast 994 00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,710 Unknown: COVID was really just an infection of people, at least 995 00:55:31,710 --> 00:55:35,850 in the United States. With the bird flu as the name implies, 996 00:55:35,850 --> 00:55:38,700 it's not just humans, right? So you have birds who are infected 997 00:55:38,700 --> 00:55:41,640 cows were infected. And so you have to look at wastewater is 998 00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,100 really telling you because the waste could be coming from 999 00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:48,600 domesticated animals, wild animals, milk being dumped into 1000 00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:53,550 the wastewater, humans and rural areas, you have septic systems, 1001 00:55:53,550 --> 00:55:57,570 so it may not even be picking up some of the waste there. Okay. 1002 00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,310 Adam Curry: Oh, wow. Okay, so 1003 00:55:59,580 --> 00:56:01,980 John C Dvorak: you have a septic system and it's not going into 1004 00:56:01,980 --> 00:56:05,340 the wastewater. How about that? Yeah, we need to test rural 1005 00:56:05,340 --> 00:56:06,600 areas. We need Hicks. 1006 00:56:07,770 --> 00:56:11,430 Adam Curry: I need to, I need to stick my dipstick into your 1007 00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:15,600 septic tank. Be my guest. Okay, we continue. 1008 00:56:15,630 --> 00:56:18,600 Unknown: So now 70 I understand dairy farm workers are being 1009 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,930 monitored mean, they're being monitored just to see if 1010 00:56:21,930 --> 00:56:25,470 something happens or what's the status of those? Yeah, 1011 00:56:25,470 --> 00:56:29,010 Adam Curry: okay. 70 or so somewhere. Some rancher went, 1012 00:56:29,100 --> 00:56:34,740 okay. All right. So you can stick the stick the the cotton 1013 00:56:34,740 --> 00:56:36,990 swab, and let's see if we got bird flu. 1014 00:56:37,020 --> 00:56:39,570 Unknown: So these are people who've been exposed right to 1015 00:56:39,570 --> 00:56:40,410 expose 1016 00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,240 Adam Curry: right exposed. 1017 00:56:42,570 --> 00:56:43,800 John C Dvorak: So as they get exposed, 1018 00:56:43,830 --> 00:56:44,520 Adam Curry: oh, wait for 1019 00:56:44,550 --> 00:56:47,370 Unknown: these are people who've been exposed right to right 1020 00:56:47,370 --> 00:56:51,390 animals that have had h h five and one infection. And so then 1021 00:56:51,390 --> 00:56:54,630 the question is, have they or are they developing symptoms? 1022 00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:57,540 Some of the common symptoms we know of are conjunctivitis. This 1023 00:56:57,540 --> 00:56:58,320 pinkeye you 1024 00:56:58,320 --> 00:56:59,280 John C Dvorak: gotta stop it again. 1025 00:56:59,310 --> 00:57:01,080 Adam Curry: Here it is. The symptoms. 1026 00:57:01,830 --> 00:57:03,990 John C Dvorak: Yeah. conjunctivitis. pinkeye. He 1027 00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:09,870 says, they these are animals cows that have been infected. 1028 00:57:09,900 --> 00:57:14,520 Yes. Infected. What evidence? Do we have that one cow even one 1029 00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,320 cow has been infected? 1030 00:57:16,350 --> 00:57:19,140 Adam Curry: Are you questioning the CBS the Tiffany networks, 1031 00:57:19,140 --> 00:57:21,630 news? dissemination? I 1032 00:57:21,630 --> 00:57:25,320 John C Dvorak: just want to know what what cow or herd has been 1033 00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:29,340 infected. They have some some some traces of bird flu in the 1034 00:57:29,340 --> 00:57:32,520 middle of milk. Yes. But that doesn't mean that cows infected 1035 00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:33,420 doesn't mean anything. 1036 00:57:33,420 --> 00:57:35,100 Adam Curry: No, and that ranchers won't even let them 1037 00:57:35,100 --> 00:57:37,260 onto their property. So I don't blame them. I 1038 00:57:37,260 --> 00:57:39,720 John C Dvorak: think they should shoot them. Amen. 1039 00:57:39,810 --> 00:57:43,650 Unknown: animals that have had H h5 and one infection. And so 1040 00:57:43,650 --> 00:57:47,070 then the question is, have they or are they developing symptoms? 1041 00:57:47,070 --> 00:57:49,980 Some of the common symptoms we know of are conjunctivitis, this 1042 00:57:49,980 --> 00:57:51,300 pinkeye Oh, 1043 00:57:51,300 --> 00:57:56,640 Adam Curry: no. pinkeye Wow, you can get pinkeye from wiping 1044 00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,400 wrong and not washing your hands. I mean, come on, 1045 00:57:59,670 --> 00:58:02,820 Unknown: which was in the Texas case that was recently reported. 1046 00:58:02,820 --> 00:58:03,870 We Oh, we oh, 1047 00:58:03,900 --> 00:58:06,330 Adam Curry: do due to breaking news. We have a rancher with 1048 00:58:06,330 --> 00:58:10,350 pinkeye. A rancher with pinkeye Oh, no, not a rancher with 1049 00:58:10,350 --> 00:58:14,190 pinkeye. That is possibly any ranch who doesn't get his foot 1050 00:58:14,190 --> 00:58:18,120 half trampled? Or, you know, there's it's very dangerous 1051 00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,150 work, but oh pinkeye? Oh, yes. Stop the presses, which was 1052 00:58:21,150 --> 00:58:24,300 Unknown: in the Texas case that was recently reported. We are 1053 00:58:24,300 --> 00:58:28,110 hearing many reports of other dairy farm workers with similar 1054 00:58:28,110 --> 00:58:31,710 symptoms haven't all been tested. So we are waiting for a 1055 00:58:31,710 --> 00:58:34,710 bit more information on some of those cases as well. And I'd 1056 00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:36,660 Adam Curry: love to know about the tests because I'm pretty 1057 00:58:36,660 --> 00:58:40,590 sure the test is another PCR bullcrap thing. PCR should not 1058 00:58:40,590 --> 00:58:44,100 be used to diagnose any pathogen ever for any reason, according 1059 00:58:44,100 --> 00:58:48,060 to the inventor, Carrie Mullins of the PCR test, 1060 00:58:48,090 --> 00:58:49,710 Unknown: and how would they get it? If 1061 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,400 Adam Curry: Oh, how do you get it? How are you ready? Jeff, 1062 00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:53,610 this 1063 00:58:53,610 --> 00:58:55,440 Unknown: is a great question on this? No, it's a great question. 1064 00:58:55,590 --> 00:58:57,780 John C Dvorak: It's a great question. And how would they get 1065 00:58:57,780 --> 00:59:00,060 it if they test? Well, this is a 1066 00:59:00,060 --> 00:59:02,400 Unknown: great question. And this is why we need more data. 1067 00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,130 You know, wastewater is not the answer all the kinds of 1068 00:59:05,130 --> 00:59:07,980 questions we have and we need more data. Jim, some of what 1069 00:59:07,980 --> 00:59:12,120 needs to be done is testing of the farm workers figuring out 1070 00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:16,200 how they were exposed to was it through handling of milk or 1071 00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:20,340 milking equipment? Is it maybe irresolution or socialization of 1072 00:59:20,340 --> 00:59:23,880 the milk or virus into the air? So you're getting into your eyes 1073 00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,060 that way? Is it breathing it in? We don't entirely know for sure 1074 00:59:27,060 --> 00:59:29,670 which of those Oh, no, it could be all of them. No, 1075 00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:33,630 Adam Curry: we know nothing. But now Now they're gonna take a 1076 00:59:33,630 --> 00:59:37,560 little sidestep back to your let's not drink raw milk. 1077 00:59:37,950 --> 00:59:42,150 Because it's, I mean, it is so bad. They have a descriptor for 1078 00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:46,140 it, which is just fascinating. Raw milk again. You probably 1079 00:59:46,140 --> 00:59:48,930 still regularly drink raw milk. We're all milk Don't you think 1080 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:52,950 you're a raw milk drinker? Or going on regular basis? Do you 1081 00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:55,530 get it from then on our favorite dairy 1082 00:59:55,530 --> 00:59:59,490 John C Dvorak: in Washington State? That is very nuts. Oh, 1083 00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:04,140 guys. Run by cracked by there's also rel Raj is a raw milk 1084 01:00:04,230 --> 01:00:09,180 dairy. He's a crackpot, believe me. He's like a clean freak. 1085 01:00:09,180 --> 01:00:14,340 It's just like unbelievable. There is a raw milk dairy that 1086 01:00:14,370 --> 01:00:17,370 in California which actually did it I can't remember the name of 1087 01:00:17,370 --> 01:00:21,000 them. I haven't every so often. It's better tasting than the 1088 01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,910 Washington stuff is really good isn't probably like well now you 1089 01:00:23,910 --> 01:00:24,630 have now you're 1090 01:00:24,630 --> 01:00:27,240 Adam Curry: not telling me that you transport this across state 1091 01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:32,490 lines, do you? Yeah. Oh, no. No Mimi could get arrested if she 1092 01:00:32,490 --> 01:00:33,060 does that. 1093 01:00:33,090 --> 01:00:34,170 John C Dvorak: No, it's not a bug. 1094 01:00:36,570 --> 01:00:38,370 Adam Curry: So it's in by the way, they 1095 01:00:38,370 --> 01:00:40,140 John C Dvorak: closed the inspection stations. 1096 01:00:41,010 --> 01:00:42,780 Adam Curry: Now they did. I 1097 01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:45,420 John C Dvorak: guess she's always complaining about you 1098 01:00:45,420 --> 01:00:46,230 know, really 1099 01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:47,430 Adam Curry: wants to be inspected. 1100 01:00:49,230 --> 01:00:53,610 John C Dvorak: Okay, yeah, of course. She's a woman. Oh, she 1101 01:00:53,610 --> 01:00:56,460 Adam Curry: listens to the show. Careful. Alright, let's hear how 1102 01:00:56,460 --> 01:01:00,390 bad this raw which I love as I said, what the meat mafia boys 1103 01:01:00,390 --> 01:01:04,440 brought to my house. Nice big jug of it was it was like I'm 1104 01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:09,270 like, Oh my god. This is like eggnog. It's so good. So tasty. 1105 01:01:09,300 --> 01:01:09,840 And does 1106 01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,560 Unknown: it matter whether it's pre or post pasteurized? Yes. 1107 01:01:14,250 --> 01:01:16,050 So pasteurized milk. 1108 01:01:16,860 --> 01:01:19,140 Adam Curry: Because it's funny for some reason. 1109 01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:20,400 John C Dvorak: Why is that funny? 1110 01:01:20,850 --> 01:01:23,100 Adam Curry: I don't know John. This because the word 1111 01:01:23,100 --> 01:01:24,990 pasteurized it tickled her ears. 1112 01:01:26,130 --> 01:01:29,820 Unknown: So pasteurized milk really does a very good job of 1113 01:01:29,820 --> 01:01:33,360 killing bacteria and viruses. This is why Louis Pasteur back 1114 01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,540 in the 1800s came up with pasteurization things back then. 1115 01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:41,250 Adam Curry: That's a lie. I looked it up Louis Pasteur came 1116 01:01:41,250 --> 01:01:44,670 up with pasteurization to pasteurize wine as far as I can 1117 01:01:44,700 --> 01:01:47,520 find out you might know more about that than I do. 1118 01:01:47,700 --> 01:01:49,410 John C Dvorak: Who I never thought about looking this into 1119 01:01:49,410 --> 01:01:52,830 this. Yeah, he was I did. I was doing some research and one of 1120 01:01:52,830 --> 01:01:56,160 our producers sent me a note saying Marie Antoinette never 1121 01:01:56,160 --> 01:02:00,090 said Let them eat bread cake. Alright, let them eat cake. She 1122 01:02:00,090 --> 01:02:03,750 said what she never said it. It was it was it was it was the it 1123 01:02:03,750 --> 01:02:08,670 was the mainstream media of the time. That is attributed to her 1124 01:02:08,670 --> 01:02:11,670 when it when it can be documented that was said by 1125 01:02:11,700 --> 01:02:16,770 another famous woman in France. When Marie Antoinette was nine 1126 01:02:16,770 --> 01:02:20,910 years old, they can document it. And it was never Marie 1127 01:02:20,910 --> 01:02:24,480 Antoinette. She was falsely accused of by the mainstream 1128 01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:28,410 media and their head got chopped off. Thank you to meet them. 5am 1129 01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:28,770 So 1130 01:02:28,770 --> 01:02:31,530 Adam Curry: the wait a minute, do you? Oh, no. 1131 01:02:32,370 --> 01:02:34,710 John C Dvorak: I'll get this. I'll get this Lincoln's being 1132 01:02:34,710 --> 01:02:38,070 put in the show notes. Good story. 1133 01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:44,250 Adam Curry: This, this is troubling to me. So so the M 1134 01:02:44,250 --> 01:02:48,540 five M lied about her. Yeah, right. And then and her head is 1135 01:02:48,540 --> 01:02:48,810 gone. 1136 01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,150 John C Dvorak: They chopped her. That's what you were doing. 1137 01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:54,990 Lining up the clip via second took a little longer than 1138 01:02:54,990 --> 01:02:56,280 normal. So is Kuba. 1139 01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,710 Adam Curry: Libra also not true. You know what the story behind 1140 01:02:58,770 --> 01:03:00,120 Koopa Libra is? 1141 01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:02,910 John C Dvorak: I forgot what them so the Libra 1142 01:03:02,910 --> 01:03:05,370 Adam Curry: is the glass that they put the ice cream in. 1143 01:03:06,450 --> 01:03:09,990 There. It's that qu that coupe that that nice little rounded 1144 01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:14,520 glass. Yeah, supposedly, that was exactly Marie Antoinette's 1145 01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:15,540 breast size. 1146 01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:19,650 John C Dvorak: Could be right, sure. That's bogus too. I 1147 01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,840 Adam Curry: could be wrong. I could be wrong. All right back 1148 01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:26,190 to a descriptor for raw milk. Remember, Louis Pasteur did not 1149 01:03:26,190 --> 01:03:28,860 invent this to pasteurized milk because those people were 1150 01:03:28,860 --> 01:03:31,140 drinking raw milk and they loved it bacteria 1151 01:03:31,140 --> 01:03:34,590 Unknown: and viruses This is why Louis Pasteur back in the 1800s 1152 01:03:34,590 --> 01:03:37,470 came up with pasteurization because back then, people would 1153 01:03:37,470 --> 01:03:42,090 get sick raw milk. Think of it as raw sewage. It's heavily 1154 01:03:46,050 --> 01:03:49,950 Adam Curry: raw milk. Think of it as raw sewage. You're 1155 01:03:49,950 --> 01:03:52,140 drinking natural 1156 01:03:52,590 --> 01:03:57,840 John C Dvorak: exudation from a mammal milk. Women deliver to I 1157 01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:03,360 might add the sewage is raw sewage to our sewage. Oh, that's 1158 01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,250 that's a fabulous report. It's not 1159 01:04:05,250 --> 01:04:08,820 Unknown: done. Raw milk. Think of it as raw sewage. It's 1160 01:04:08,940 --> 01:04:12,540 heavily fecal contaminated. Think about you know where the 1161 01:04:12,570 --> 01:04:14,460 cows you know, they're their faces, aren't you? 1162 01:04:14,820 --> 01:04:17,190 Adam Curry: Well, hold on a second. Now she thinks that the 1163 01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:20,400 cows poop out of their utters or does she think the milk comes 1164 01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,850 out of the anus? What is she saying to me here? Think she 1165 01:04:23,850 --> 01:04:24,180 says 1166 01:04:24,180 --> 01:04:26,970 John C Dvorak: would she say one of the to think about whereas it 1167 01:04:26,970 --> 01:04:30,330 says if Kevin Tammany was fecal material. Yes. Well, 1168 01:04:30,540 --> 01:04:33,660 Adam Curry: the otters are nowhere near the fecal material. 1169 01:04:34,110 --> 01:04:39,000 Saline Dr. Celine? Is she confused with the what is she 1170 01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,220 confused by this is very odd 1171 01:04:41,250 --> 01:04:44,340 John C Dvorak: chicken and egg and egg is invented and poops 1172 01:04:44,340 --> 01:04:45,870 and the same poop. 1173 01:04:46,140 --> 01:04:48,990 Adam Curry: What does that the Klava the color the service 1174 01:04:51,180 --> 01:04:52,200 Cousteau clever 1175 01:04:52,230 --> 01:04:55,470 Unknown: people would get sick raw milk. Think of it as raw 1176 01:04:55,470 --> 01:04:57,630 sewage. It's have cloak 1177 01:04:57,630 --> 01:05:02,520 Adam Curry: clout. cloaca cloaca chlobo aka cloaca Thank you 1178 01:05:02,550 --> 01:05:05,220 trolls are on point today alright let's go heavily 1179 01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:08,070 Unknown: vehicle contaminated think about you know where the 1180 01:05:08,100 --> 01:05:10,890 cows you know their their feces are you know this is not clean 1181 01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,110 you really want to be drinking pasteurized 1182 01:05:13,140 --> 01:05:16,590 Adam Curry: not clean the others are super clean 1183 01:05:18,539 --> 01:05:22,259 Unknown: and I'm gonna now I'm really not going near any 1184 01:05:22,259 --> 01:05:23,819 pasteurized unpasteurized milk 1185 01:05:23,850 --> 01:05:27,570 Adam Curry: so he's so grossed out and so ignorant that he's 1186 01:05:27,570 --> 01:05:31,590 like oh man, oh those otters are dirty they're filled with poop. 1187 01:05:33,270 --> 01:05:35,550 Wow, this is an undisputed clip 1188 01:05:35,550 --> 01:05:37,140 John C Dvorak: for the day for the bay. No, this 1189 01:05:37,140 --> 01:05:43,530 Adam Curry: clip of the day is for the clip custodian. God for 1190 01:05:43,530 --> 01:05:45,690 me, yeah, well, the clip custodians on him. This 1191 01:05:45,690 --> 01:05:47,340 John C Dvorak: is CBS CBS 1192 01:05:47,340 --> 01:05:50,130 Unknown: last one. How concerned should the regular person 1193 01:05:50,130 --> 01:05:52,440 watching here who isn't hasn't been on the farm recently. 1194 01:05:54,900 --> 01:05:57,540 Adam Curry: If you haven't been on a farm recently go out, go to 1195 01:05:57,540 --> 01:06:02,010 a farm shake your ranchers hand learn about where the other is. 1196 01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:06,390 Unknown: So if you're not having direct contact with poultry or 1197 01:06:06,390 --> 01:06:08,670 dairy cattle, those are the two types of animals that have been 1198 01:06:08,670 --> 01:06:11,400 infected in the United States. If you're not drinking 1199 01:06:11,430 --> 01:06:15,660 unpasteurized milk or raw milk, your risk as a member of the 1200 01:06:15,660 --> 01:06:18,510 general public is pretty low. Right? Now. What we're pretty 1201 01:06:18,510 --> 01:06:18,750 low, 1202 01:06:18,750 --> 01:06:22,530 John C Dvorak: wait a minute, this is not zero. It's just 1203 01:06:22,530 --> 01:06:24,930 pretty low, pretty low. No, that's 1204 01:06:24,930 --> 01:06:26,820 Adam Curry: a percentage your favorite, your favorite 1205 01:06:26,820 --> 01:06:29,340 percentage is pretty low. It's you know, it's low, pretty low. 1206 01:06:29,340 --> 01:06:29,520 Right 1207 01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:31,710 Unknown: now, what we're concerned about is if this 1208 01:06:31,710 --> 01:06:37,290 continues to replicate and mutate and evolve, whether it's 1209 01:06:37,290 --> 01:06:41,580 in mammals or humans, like dairy farm workers, that's when 1210 01:06:41,580 --> 01:06:45,120 there's a risk of evolving and adapting to humans and Person to 1211 01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:46,710 Person spread back to 1212 01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:48,180 Adam Curry: the wet market jumps. 1213 01:06:49,140 --> 01:06:51,150 John C Dvorak: We've all which doesn't make sense now, but a 1214 01:06:51,150 --> 01:06:51,600 deep and 1215 01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,180 Adam Curry: then he says, Oh, it jumps it jumped. This is the wet 1216 01:06:54,180 --> 01:06:57,330 market story that were that we were supposed to keep believing. 1217 01:06:57,540 --> 01:07:00,870 But Fauci covered it up wrong. And so we figured it out and 1218 01:07:00,870 --> 01:07:05,790 like, lab, okay, but no wet mark. wet market is we're back 1219 01:07:05,790 --> 01:07:07,290 to wet markets. Now. That's when 1220 01:07:07,290 --> 01:07:10,230 Unknown: there's a risk of evolving and adapting to humans 1221 01:07:10,260 --> 01:07:13,500 and Person to Person spread, and it jumps. And that's and that's 1222 01:07:13,500 --> 01:07:16,020 what, that's what can cause a pandemic. So it may not be 1223 01:07:16,020 --> 01:07:16,650 today, 1224 01:07:16,710 --> 01:07:18,120 Adam Curry: oh pangolin. But 1225 01:07:18,150 --> 01:07:20,580 Unknown: say within the next 10 years, if we allow this kind of 1226 01:07:20,580 --> 01:07:22,830 thing to keep going. That's what we're worried about. And 1227 01:07:22,830 --> 01:07:25,560 by that it's too late. If you haven't learned how to thank you 1228 01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:26,430 so much for being here. I've 1229 01:07:26,430 --> 01:07:29,520 Adam Curry: learned how to how to I don't know if you haven't 1230 01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,230 learned how to just learn how to 1231 01:07:31,500 --> 01:07:33,000 John C Dvorak: if you haven't learned how to and then he 1232 01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:33,870 stopped Yes. 1233 01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:37,500 Adam Curry: Yes. How to Lie, how to live for your for living. So 1234 01:07:37,500 --> 01:07:41,850 a couple of articles I have here first of all, here's the 1235 01:07:41,850 --> 01:07:46,590 headline. There's bird flu in US dairy cows to produce raw milk 1236 01:07:46,590 --> 01:07:50,850 drinkers aren't deterred. Since March 25, when the bird flu 1237 01:07:50,850 --> 01:07:55,320 virus was confirmed in US cattle that's lactating mammals. For 1238 01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:59,850 the first time, weekly sales of raw cow's milk have ticked up 1239 01:07:59,850 --> 01:08:01,800 21% Oh, 1240 01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:06,750 John C Dvorak: no. Get it while you can. According to Nielsen 1241 01:08:06,780 --> 01:08:10,560 IQ. That could be the reason that Mimi says she went to the 1242 01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,740 other day when the story started to break. She went to sunny 1243 01:08:13,740 --> 01:08:17,280 farms, which is the store that carries with you can go to the 1244 01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:19,710 dairy and just buy it there. But you can buy it from the store. 1245 01:08:20,370 --> 01:08:23,340 It was all gone. All the raw milk was sold out. 1246 01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:24,780 Adam Curry: You know why? Because people like oh, they're 1247 01:08:24,780 --> 01:08:27,600 coming for our raw milk. Let's go buy it. We want it we want as 1248 01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:32,280 much as we can get because we're healthy human beings. We're 1249 01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:36,270 healthy human beings. And while it seems like they all want us 1250 01:08:36,270 --> 01:08:40,260 dead, they don't it's just all CAPTCHA I'm sure this whole 1251 01:08:40,260 --> 01:08:44,130 report was sponsored by, you know, by the nuts app industry. 1252 01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:47,640 Anyway, there is that SAP is the big moneymaker. There is 1253 01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:54,360 something else happening here. And it is a comes under the 1254 01:08:54,360 --> 01:09:01,950 recently announced climate smart commodities program. The USDA, 1255 01:09:01,980 --> 01:09:05,760 same people, same people here who are saying mom can't have 1256 01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:14,700 your raw milk have appropriated $3.1 billion to 145 new private 1257 01:09:14,700 --> 01:09:20,940 climate smart projects ranging from carbon sequestration to 1258 01:09:20,940 --> 01:09:26,550 climate smart meat. Are you following me here? This is this 1259 01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:31,290 is what they're doing. And so these ranchers these farmers, 1260 01:09:31,290 --> 01:09:36,060 there's a whole dashboard by state if you want by state of 1261 01:09:36,060 --> 01:09:40,170 projects, each one is yours 3 million here 4 million their 1262 01:09:41,340 --> 01:09:48,480 climate smart scaling mechanisms for Regenerative farming. You 1263 01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:52,410 want money you want money? You just go to this dashboard here. 1264 01:09:52,410 --> 01:09:58,950 Let's see what what can I get in Texas? I can get farmers guiding 1265 01:09:58,980 --> 01:10:04,200 farmers tour Climate Smart Agriculture. Oh, this is good. 1266 01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:09,000 This is for black and indigenous producers, huh? A lot of 1267 01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:13,080 universities grabbing this money here 5 million for Florida a&m 1268 01:10:13,110 --> 01:10:16,680 For National Black food and Justice Alliance. Are you 1269 01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:21,480 kidding me now? Climate Resilience for the farm and 1270 01:10:21,480 --> 01:10:25,320 market development economically viable low carbon and climate 1271 01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:29,910 smart practices for soybean farming. This is part of the 1272 01:10:29,910 --> 01:10:34,560 climate, the global climate change scam. And they're buying 1273 01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:38,250 everybody off. And what eventually happens is the small 1274 01:10:38,250 --> 01:10:43,410 producers, the small producers have no chance that just left 1275 01:10:43,410 --> 01:10:47,820 with no chance. They're they're taken down into complete 1276 01:10:47,820 --> 01:10:52,050 oblivion. There's no market access for people who want these 1277 01:10:52,050 --> 01:10:56,310 products. And so now we have to go out and stand guard at Cole's 1278 01:10:56,310 --> 01:11:00,990 farm. So in case the the FDA, USDA and CDC want to come and 1279 01:11:00,990 --> 01:11:07,050 test him and his cows. And then I got this note from Captain 1280 01:11:07,050 --> 01:11:10,110 Ben. He says, you know, you've been doing a great job 1281 01:11:10,110 --> 01:11:12,330 enlightening us about what's going on in the beef and dairy 1282 01:11:12,330 --> 01:11:15,990 industry. I see some very interesting coincidences in the 1283 01:11:15,990 --> 01:11:20,160 Gulf of Mexico commercial reef fishery that are similar to the 1284 01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:23,190 cattle industry. So he's talking reef fish include grouper, 1285 01:11:23,190 --> 01:11:27,750 snapper, tile, fish, etc. In the last 25 years, the National 1286 01:11:27,750 --> 01:11:29,940 Marine Fishery Service has become more and more 1287 01:11:29,940 --> 01:11:32,700 restrictive. And the participation of regulation of 1288 01:11:32,700 --> 01:11:35,940 the Fisheries says My theory is the same thing. They're 1289 01:11:35,940 --> 01:11:39,420 collapsing the reef fishery industry, so the small time 1290 01:11:39,420 --> 01:11:43,620 players will just get out, and only a few large corporations 1291 01:11:43,740 --> 01:11:48,510 own and control the whole thing. Yeah, he says that if you look 1292 01:11:48,510 --> 01:11:53,160 at the reality show, ice cold catch. He says you'll see a 1293 01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:56,040 large portion of the North Atlantic cod is owned and caught 1294 01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:59,700 by two large long line boats that are owned by corporations. 1295 01:11:59,940 --> 01:12:03,150 On the other hand, fellow commercial fishermen say Oh, 1296 01:12:03,180 --> 01:12:06,450 this is the regulations are being imposed so that it'll all 1297 01:12:06,450 --> 01:12:12,810 be imported. This is the same thing, industry, they control so 1298 01:12:12,810 --> 01:12:19,440 much with the captured regulatory agencies. And me, you 1299 01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:22,950 work at the seat, you work at a USDA or the FDA, and then you're 1300 01:12:22,950 --> 01:12:25,530 done working there, you've done your job, you've helped out the 1301 01:12:25,530 --> 01:12:30,000 nut SAP industry, you've helped out the salmon farms, and then 1302 01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,820 you leave and then you go take a million dollar job over there. 1303 01:12:33,630 --> 01:12:39,060 This is what needs to stop. And it's all under the climate 1304 01:12:39,060 --> 01:12:45,150 change, climate change. And that's where we're at, like 1305 01:12:45,150 --> 01:12:50,610 climate change is the bane of our existence. Is even Jordan 1306 01:12:50,610 --> 01:12:53,820 Peterson we don't play enough Jordan Peterson mainly because 1307 01:12:53,820 --> 01:12:57,240 the jackets hurt my eyes. Stop with the jackets Jordan there 1308 01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:01,350 was going on with those jackets jackets are ridiculous. They're 1309 01:13:01,350 --> 01:13:05,340 not a statement. They're creepy. It's almost as creepy as King 1310 01:13:05,340 --> 01:13:06,450 Charles is portrait 1311 01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:08,910 John C Dvorak: who got him into doing that because it's like it 1312 01:13:08,910 --> 01:13:14,580 was a couple of ex basketball players that were this kind of 1313 01:13:14,580 --> 01:13:15,630 outfit. You 1314 01:13:15,630 --> 01:13:19,200 Adam Curry: know, Bill Cosby had sweaters remember that? You 1315 01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:22,320 always had sweaters. It was actually a Dutch lady who made 1316 01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:26,220 those sweaters for him. They were Elaine. He was oh look at 1317 01:13:26,220 --> 01:13:29,520 my sweaters. And what happened to you? Bill Cosby look at where 1318 01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:30,540 the sweaters Got you. 1319 01:13:32,190 --> 01:13:33,960 John C Dvorak: Got nothing to do with it? No, it 1320 01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:36,690 Adam Curry: has nothing to do with it. I like it. I like it. 1321 01:13:38,190 --> 01:13:42,540 So now Jordan Peterson, of course says that this is a huge 1322 01:13:42,540 --> 01:13:46,020 scam. And here's a little clip of him talking about it. This is 1323 01:13:46,020 --> 01:13:51,570 particularly about the carbon dioxide, not carbon, not stuff 1324 01:13:51,570 --> 01:13:54,660 that comes out. By the way. stuff that comes out of the 1325 01:13:54,660 --> 01:13:58,620 exhaust of your car is carbon monoxide. Am I correct? A 1326 01:13:58,710 --> 01:14:00,600 John C Dvorak: lot of carbon dioxide comes out. Well, we 1327 01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:03,180 Unknown: need more. We're essentially in a carbon. I'm 1328 01:14:03,180 --> 01:14:03,600 sorry. 1329 01:14:04,110 --> 01:14:06,060 John C Dvorak: I'm gonna say a carbon monoxide does come out of 1330 01:14:06,060 --> 01:14:11,820 the tailpipe. Nitrous, various nitrogen, nitrogen oxides. Those 1331 01:14:11,820 --> 01:14:14,670 are taken up by the catalytic catalytic converter. 1332 01:14:14,700 --> 01:14:19,290 Adam Curry: Exactly. No, no, no, no, we need more carbon dioxide 1333 01:14:19,290 --> 01:14:21,300 twice as much as we have today. We're 1334 01:14:21,300 --> 01:14:25,710 Unknown: essentially in a carbon dioxide drought by historical 1335 01:14:25,710 --> 01:14:28,620 standards. So if you look at the proportion of carbon dioxide in 1336 01:14:28,620 --> 01:14:32,730 the atmosphere over the last number of hundreds of millions 1337 01:14:32,730 --> 01:14:36,870 of years, like a pretty whopping timeframe, we're at a very, very 1338 01:14:36,870 --> 01:14:42,960 low level. We dropped to about 350 parts per million by say 1339 01:14:42,990 --> 01:14:48,540 1850, something like that plants start to die at 250. Right, 1340 01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:52,200 because they need carbon dioxide. So we were almost at 1341 01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:54,870 the point where the plants were going to start to die. That's 1342 01:14:54,870 --> 01:14:57,570 how low the carbon dioxide levels are now they have been 1343 01:14:57,570 --> 01:15:01,620 increasing. Why? Well some of that Probably manmade, you know, 1344 01:15:01,620 --> 01:15:05,190 it's not it's not exactly settled, but we could give the 1345 01:15:05,190 --> 01:15:09,840 devil his due and say some of that's manmade. Okay, so now 1346 01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:15,030 we're up to something in the low, four hundreds. And that's 1347 01:15:15,030 --> 01:15:19,650 been increasing, and perhaps because of industrial output. So 1348 01:15:19,650 --> 01:15:22,890 what's been the major consequence? The major 1349 01:15:22,890 --> 01:15:27,420 consequences that the planet is 20% greener than it was in the 1350 01:15:27,420 --> 01:15:33,270 year 2,020%. This is NASA Data. No one disputes this, by the 1351 01:15:33,270 --> 01:15:38,310 way, the satellite imagery is absolutely clear. 20% greener, 1352 01:15:38,430 --> 01:15:43,800 an area the size of the continental US as green since 1353 01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:48,360 the year 2000. So the whole planet is 20% greener, that's 1354 01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:54,600 the big effect crops yield, crop yield has gone up 13% Right. 1355 01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:57,480 Okay. Where's the planet getting greener? Because you heard 1356 01:15:57,510 --> 01:16:01,050 climate, global warming, the deserts are going to grow well, 1357 01:16:01,050 --> 01:16:03,570 then it wasn't global warming, because that turned out to be a 1358 01:16:03,570 --> 01:16:06,420 scam. Then it was climate change. The deserts are going to 1359 01:16:06,420 --> 01:16:09,630 grow. It's like no, the deserts are shrinking. The deserts are 1360 01:16:09,630 --> 01:16:12,870 shrinking because the planet is greening because there's more 1361 01:16:12,870 --> 01:16:14,250 carbon dioxide. Now 1362 01:16:14,250 --> 01:16:17,490 Adam Curry: I liked what he said here because it comes right back 1363 01:16:17,490 --> 01:16:22,050 around to the agencies. If you have a deficiency of carbon 1364 01:16:22,050 --> 01:16:27,120 dioxide Of course we need Monsanto and glyphosate and all 1365 01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:30,450 these things to improve your crop yield. We can't have that 1366 01:16:30,450 --> 01:16:33,930 happening naturally buy more carbon dioxide in the 1367 01:16:33,930 --> 01:16:38,550 atmosphere. No, that means we start to lose money. This is the 1368 01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:40,800 scam it's a scam. 1369 01:16:41,670 --> 01:16:44,490 John C Dvorak: What Yeah, yeah, start to lose money 1370 01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:48,450 Adam Curry: Yeah, that's what it's all about. Who cares if it 1371 01:16:48,450 --> 01:16:52,320 turns the frogs gay? And with that I'd like to thank you for 1372 01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:54,840 your courage say in the morning to the man who put the sea in 1373 01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:57,540 the code for comrades say hello to my friend on the other end 1374 01:16:57,540 --> 01:16:59,400 the One Only Mr. John 1375 01:17:02,820 --> 01:17:05,550 John C Dvorak: well in the morning to you Mr. Abrupt 1376 01:17:06,690 --> 01:17:09,000 through the millennial shift, same boots on the ground feet 1377 01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:12,480 near subs in the water. It all the dames knights out there in 1378 01:17:12,480 --> 01:17:12,540 the 1379 01:17:12,540 --> 01:17:14,700 Adam Curry: morning to the trolls and the troll room. I am 1380 01:17:14,700 --> 01:17:22,290 getting ready to count you they scurried off. Yeah, I'm keeping 1381 01:17:22,290 --> 01:17:26,130 us on the schedule man. It's 117 We're into the show it's time 1382 01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:29,970 you know it's time for it was a natural break a natural break as 1383 01:17:29,970 --> 01:17:33,780 well. Is an unnatural breaking. Was it a wiry natural break? I 1384 01:17:33,780 --> 01:17:38,520 think it was perfect. Perfect. Perfect Natural break. Kind of 1385 01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:42,180 the trolls we have 18 120 Trolls with us today that is down from 1386 01:17:42,180 --> 01:17:46,680 our last Thursday show we had 1943 So we've lost some along 1387 01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:49,980 the way no doubt because they drank raw milk and are now 1388 01:17:50,010 --> 01:17:55,440 dying. They have pink dead or dead dead we got dead trolls if 1389 01:17:55,440 --> 01:17:58,560 you want to be a troll, and the trolls have actually been quite 1390 01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:02,460 good today. They've they've been posting stuff in French and you 1391 01:18:02,460 --> 01:18:06,120 know laughing along and you know everyone agrees on this stuff. 1392 01:18:06,420 --> 01:18:09,450 Man, you can't get them to agree on Israel and the Jews running 1393 01:18:09,450 --> 01:18:12,540 the world but you comes to Melkite everyone's in agreement. 1394 01:18:12,570 --> 01:18:16,830 That's beautiful. If you want to be a troll go to troll room.io 1395 01:18:16,830 --> 01:18:20,910 You can listen to our show live on Thursdays and on Sundays we 1396 01:18:20,910 --> 01:18:23,730 do it we do it live. Which by the way is probably the biggest 1397 01:18:23,730 --> 01:18:27,870 problem with podcast today. Is most of these podcasts are not 1398 01:18:27,870 --> 01:18:31,860 done live people take all the soul out of them by recording 1399 01:18:31,860 --> 01:18:36,780 them and taking out all the crap o's and memes and speeding it up 1400 01:18:36,780 --> 01:18:40,350 a little and chopping out silences because you owe people 1401 01:18:40,350 --> 01:18:44,340 got no time. No, we are just pure and raw. We're like we are 1402 01:18:44,340 --> 01:18:48,420 the raw milk of the raw milk of podcasts. That's exactly what we 1403 01:18:48,420 --> 01:18:52,410 are the raw milk of podcasts and it's good for you know, pink, I 1404 01:18:52,410 --> 01:18:56,100 hear Spotify you listen to Spotify that'll give you pinkeye 1405 01:18:57,270 --> 01:19:00,510 so you go to troll room.io or you use a modern podcast app 1406 01:19:00,510 --> 01:19:03,990 this is another thing where we are forging the future making 1407 01:19:03,990 --> 01:19:07,560 sure that if you can't do you think that you by the way, you 1408 01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:11,670 see that Spotify got a notice from from the whole Music 1409 01:19:11,700 --> 01:19:16,470 Association industries saying sorry, what Wait, Spotify got a 1410 01:19:16,470 --> 01:19:20,550 notice from the Okay, from the from the from all the associate 1411 01:19:20,550 --> 01:19:24,930 the copyright holding associations of music saying 1412 01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:30,240 check this up. BJU are hosting music that is not licensed in 1413 01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:36,090 podcasts. So they didn't say which ones, but they say you 1414 01:19:36,090 --> 01:19:39,120 have to remove them immediately. So now Spotify is going to go 1415 01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:43,650 and start I guess with AI seeing if there's any music in your 1416 01:19:43,650 --> 01:19:47,280 podcast, even if you've licensed it, even if it's value for value 1417 01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:51,030 music, and they're gonna start dropping you, your podcasts will 1418 01:19:51,030 --> 01:19:54,810 be dropped. It's gone by who? By Spotify, they'll kick it off 1419 01:19:54,810 --> 01:19:57,210 their platform because they're gonna get to 1420 01:19:57,210 --> 01:19:58,800 John C Dvorak: be on their platform anyway. 1421 01:19:58,830 --> 01:20:01,170 Adam Curry: Well, we're not on it, but You know people are 1422 01:20:01,170 --> 01:20:04,290 stupid. They're like they don't listen to the Godfather I say 1423 01:20:04,290 --> 01:20:08,340 you don't want to be on Spotify you know Rogan got his first 300 1424 01:20:08,340 --> 01:20:13,440 million from Spotify by not being on Spotify. They said well 1425 01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:15,990 come on man. We'll pay you for it and then he went on Spotify. 1426 01:20:16,830 --> 01:20:20,850 Anyway, podcast apps.com Get a modern podcast that one that 1427 01:20:20,850 --> 01:20:23,190 won't be the platform because the back end is podcast 1428 01:20:23,190 --> 01:20:27,510 index.org And that's being distributed so even even if we 1429 01:20:27,510 --> 01:20:30,690 go away no one will be able to take it away ever. We're fed a 1430 01:20:30,690 --> 01:20:35,280 fine it fed a fine another thing we don't do is we don't take 1431 01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:40,830 native ads or any kind of you know, any commercials from any 1432 01:20:40,830 --> 01:20:44,040 creepy corporations at all. None never done it because that's 1433 01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:46,920 another thing. Boy you're talking to get you're going 1434 01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:49,770 against the grain here, man. You're talking about a 1435 01:20:49,770 --> 01:20:53,190 competitor man, you can't do that Nana saw censorship 1436 01:20:53,190 --> 01:20:56,700 advertising is censorship. So we 1437 01:20:56,730 --> 01:21:00,690 John C Dvorak: Oh, whoa. That's a new phrase. And I like it. Oh, 1438 01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:03,600 advertising is censorship. 1439 01:21:03,630 --> 01:21:05,790 Adam Curry: You've never heard me say that. Have I not done no. 1440 01:21:05,790 --> 01:21:05,970 Yeah, I 1441 01:21:05,970 --> 01:21:07,230 John C Dvorak: don't remember you saying and I would have 1442 01:21:07,230 --> 01:21:09,780 picked it up because it would go right in the newsletter. Okay. 1443 01:21:11,310 --> 01:21:14,670 Adam Curry: And on hoodies over at no agenda shop.com I'm 1444 01:21:14,670 --> 01:21:17,310 telling you boys gotta get on the stick here. We need to 1445 01:21:17,310 --> 01:21:20,880 promote the more no agenda shop.com We got hoodies we got t 1446 01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:25,830 shirts. We got you got hats. We got to koozies all kinds of 1447 01:21:25,830 --> 01:21:31,380 groovy stuff. No agenda shop.com No. Instead we have adopted for 1448 01:21:31,410 --> 01:21:34,980 16 years now I think yeah, about 16 years maybe a little more the 1449 01:21:34,980 --> 01:21:37,740 value for value more we probably didn't start calling it value 1450 01:21:37,740 --> 01:21:42,750 for value until 14 years ago. And then that just stuck and 1451 01:21:43,050 --> 01:21:47,850 it's amazing how this concept is spreading far and wide actually 1452 01:21:47,850 --> 01:21:51,120 have an M five M segment for after after we talk about some 1453 01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:53,760 of our executive and Associate Executive producers about how 1454 01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:57,270 they are losing out how it is crumbling, how it is all falling 1455 01:21:57,270 --> 01:22:00,720 apart? No. We use value for value. The whole world is 1456 01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:04,560 talking about value for value case in point. This is the alpha 1457 01:22:04,590 --> 01:22:11,250 alga alga hernia podcast show off our Hohner podcast show. 1458 01:22:11,550 --> 01:22:14,400 House Deutschland listen carefully 1459 01:22:14,820 --> 01:22:17,190 Unknown: because I'm going to start off on V mon Medved. 1460 01:22:17,220 --> 01:22:22,050 Tiffiny It was initially manure fear Dienstleistungen and Van 1461 01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:27,240 gatos giving markups those guns feel value for value or fair 1462 01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:30,930 talk financier itself so of these blanks on an alpha value 1463 01:22:30,930 --> 01:22:31,440 for value 1464 01:22:32,700 --> 01:22:36,810 man can get love I love bonds baboon shoden been spending on 1465 01:22:36,810 --> 01:22:37,710 Sky village code 1466 01:22:37,740 --> 01:22:41,790 Adam Curry: I really Kate voluntarily value for value you 1467 01:22:41,790 --> 01:22:44,670 heard it even the Germans are in on it. 1468 01:22:46,740 --> 01:22:49,050 John C Dvorak: There's no German translation for the for the 1469 01:22:49,050 --> 01:22:50,550 phrase no man. 1470 01:22:51,330 --> 01:22:56,670 Adam Curry: It's like no value for value. No. No manly is 1471 01:22:56,670 --> 01:22:59,190 John C Dvorak: it this is like an original phrase. It only has 1472 01:22:59,190 --> 01:23:00,990 to be spoken in English value 1473 01:23:00,990 --> 01:23:05,070 Adam Curry: for value Uber Allah's man. That's how we roll. 1474 01:23:05,820 --> 01:23:09,300 So one enormous piece of value for value. It's time talent and 1475 01:23:09,300 --> 01:23:12,120 treasure and this whole show was built up of producers who 1476 01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:17,130 contribute to the show clip custodian clip collector Dave 1477 01:23:17,130 --> 01:23:21,180 Ackerman all these people who are helping us on that angle, 1478 01:23:21,180 --> 01:23:24,660 but then we have void zero with technology keeping us running 1479 01:23:24,660 --> 01:23:29,040 and we got the the Art Generator, we've got the meetup 1480 01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:32,700 servers, we've got the server Tim code monkey people doing all 1481 01:23:32,700 --> 01:23:36,600 of this that's all valuable and what our artists do as valuable 1482 01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:40,440 as well. They go to knowledge and art generator.com They 1483 01:23:40,440 --> 01:23:43,680 upload art for us to choose from. So we have fresh, funky, 1484 01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:47,460 fresh, beautiful art. Every single show you see it pop up it 1485 01:23:47,610 --> 01:23:50,880 looks great when we post the bar it looks great in newsletters 1486 01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:54,210 and also looks great over there and no agenda shop.com Now we're 1487 01:23:54,210 --> 01:23:56,880 traditionalists. We'd like to do some on special days, like 1488 01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:03,150 Mother's Day, we'd like to have a Mother's Day presentation. And 1489 01:24:03,180 --> 01:24:06,540 there were several to choose from but networks, networks 1490 01:24:06,540 --> 01:24:11,340 nailed it with no agenda movie theater. And as I looked at 1491 01:24:11,340 --> 01:24:14,220 this, this aren't even because I talked about the movie the 1492 01:24:14,220 --> 01:24:16,770 unsung hero, which is a great Mother's Day movie. Hope you all 1493 01:24:16,770 --> 01:24:21,270 took your mom to go see it. As I looked. It He even put in the 1494 01:24:21,300 --> 01:24:26,160 tasty pretzels that I had at the movie theater, popcorn pretzels. 1495 01:24:26,340 --> 01:24:31,140 There's two people now if we don't think it's a guy in his 1496 01:24:31,140 --> 01:24:35,340 mom, but probably a guy in his bride who has a mom, which is 1497 01:24:35,340 --> 01:24:35,670 also 1498 01:24:35,670 --> 01:24:37,770 John C Dvorak: fair game, obviously unless it's a 1499 01:24:37,770 --> 01:24:39,810 perverted picture. Well, it's 1500 01:24:39,810 --> 01:24:41,910 Adam Curry: networks you never know he is one of those great 1501 01:24:41,910 --> 01:24:46,050 Dutch grandmasters so we got to be careful but we appreciate 1502 01:24:46,050 --> 01:24:50,400 what networks did and we want to I just logged into the Art 1503 01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:54,030 Generator All right. See the artists do this on the fly live 1504 01:24:54,030 --> 01:24:56,370 while we're doing the show so we can choose it right after we're 1505 01:24:56,370 --> 01:24:59,670 done. already. See some funny stuff for for the show. Now. 1506 01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:00,660 comics 1507 01:25:00,990 --> 01:25:03,330 John C Dvorak: should mention by the way, the one next to it mom 1508 01:25:03,330 --> 01:25:07,260 on the burning sun with the that was it was available to us. 1509 01:25:07,980 --> 01:25:10,470 Adam Curry: What do you mean? Yes, we discussed that the solar 1510 01:25:10,470 --> 01:25:11,160 flare mama. 1511 01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:14,430 John C Dvorak: I don't remember it. Yeah, yeah. I 1512 01:25:14,430 --> 01:25:16,860 Adam Curry: said how about that one? And you said no, I hate it. 1513 01:25:17,580 --> 01:25:19,680 John C Dvorak: i That's not true. I'll tell you which one 1514 01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:22,650 you said that about. You did say that about one of 1515 01:25:22,650 --> 01:25:25,560 Adam Curry: them. Which one? Which one that I know it was 1516 01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:29,790 another one you wanted? Well, stormy Trump wasn't no 1517 01:25:29,790 --> 01:25:31,650 John C Dvorak: he couldn't really come. I did do this one 1518 01:25:31,650 --> 01:25:33,060 is the only real choice. 1519 01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:36,690 Adam Curry: I mean, comments. Your blogger posted 5000 ai 1520 01:25:36,690 --> 01:25:42,270 generated buttons. Yeah, it was challenge coin. Template. Comics 1521 01:25:42,270 --> 01:25:49,140 your blogger? No. It's just No, I don't get it. Doesn't he see 1522 01:25:49,140 --> 01:25:54,210 it's not happy Mama was creepy with the chocolates. What else 1523 01:25:54,210 --> 01:25:58,020 was there? Was there anything else? There was? 1524 01:25:58,230 --> 01:26:00,030 John C Dvorak: Really no this was the only piece that was 1525 01:26:00,030 --> 01:26:04,050 really good. That was usable content. taunt me. Oh, Trump, 1526 01:26:04,050 --> 01:26:08,160 stormy Trump thing down there where Douglas Harris did it we 1527 01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:10,380 see you know, don't do stuff like that. No, no. 1528 01:26:10,380 --> 01:26:13,230 Adam Curry: And, you know, Bill Walsh tried to do like kind of a 1529 01:26:13,440 --> 01:26:16,470 cheese cake. By the way. I think I have a picture of my mom who 1530 01:26:16,470 --> 01:26:19,530 looked like that at the time with her apron on in the 1531 01:26:19,530 --> 01:26:26,010 kitchen. She had that hair. And like the 60s. Now it's very 1532 01:26:26,010 --> 01:26:32,100 Americana. But no, no, no, no. There was anything else. I think 1533 01:26:32,100 --> 01:26:36,600 that was it. Taunton yielded some flowers, which was always 1534 01:26:36,630 --> 01:26:40,020 good as a Hail Mary, but it's a good one. By the way. Taunton, 1535 01:26:40,020 --> 01:26:45,330 Neil, another one of those great Dutch grandmasters. So she she's 1536 01:26:45,330 --> 01:26:49,200 coming to the meetup on June 15th. And she sent me a picture 1537 01:26:49,830 --> 01:26:56,910 of the two of us from 30 almost 33 years ago. Wow. 1992 1538 01:26:56,940 --> 01:27:00,240 John C Dvorak: She has a longest living crush on you have anyone 1539 01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:00,960 she's and 1540 01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:05,280 Adam Curry: she looks she looks like she was 16 I think probably 1541 01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:09,360 wasn't. And, and she says she has a scrapbook. 1542 01:27:10,590 --> 01:27:14,790 John C Dvorak: Oh my gosh, you probably has an altar or thrown 1543 01:27:15,450 --> 01:27:16,050 pictures of 1544 01:27:16,050 --> 01:27:19,830 Adam Curry: you over if you mean a shrine. I think a shrine 1545 01:27:20,550 --> 01:27:21,510 John C Dvorak: blew the joke up. 1546 01:27:23,460 --> 01:27:26,310 Adam Curry: I'm very excited to see her scrapbook. I hope she 1547 01:27:26,310 --> 01:27:28,590 brings us she's no I'm a grown ass woman. I'm not going to 1548 01:27:28,590 --> 01:27:31,080 bring yes you are. You're bringing the scrapbook. We know 1549 01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:35,070 you have it. Bring it. So thank you very much networks. And 1550 01:27:35,070 --> 01:27:37,740 thank you to all of our artists for all the work you always do. 1551 01:27:37,740 --> 01:27:41,850 It is tremendously valuable to us and to the show. And we 1552 01:27:41,850 --> 01:27:44,070 appreciate the work that all of you do. We're gonna we're always 1553 01:27:44,070 --> 01:27:45,930 going to be honest that we're always going to tell you exactly 1554 01:27:45,930 --> 01:27:50,550 what we think and and there you go. So stop with the AI Comitia 1555 01:27:50,550 --> 01:27:54,300 blogger. Now for the treasure portion we'd love to give thanks 1556 01:27:54,300 --> 01:27:57,390 to all of our producers, the whole beauty of value for values 1557 01:27:57,390 --> 01:27:59,760 you can give whatever you want, whatever the show is worth to 1558 01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:03,690 you at $5 may be a lot to you. By the way if everyone gave $5 1559 01:28:03,690 --> 01:28:06,630 It's the pipe dream. But if everyone gave $5 the segment's 1560 01:28:06,630 --> 01:28:08,910 will be way shorter and we could just run through it to do no 1561 01:28:08,910 --> 01:28:12,120 segment there'd be no segment. You're right would be no 1562 01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:16,200 segment. instead. The balance always comes from the executive 1563 01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:18,300 and Associate Executive producers. We appreciate them 1564 01:28:18,300 --> 01:28:21,750 very much and we kick it off with Kiernan Hennessy, who's in 1565 01:28:21,750 --> 01:28:28,860 Dublin, county, Dublin, Ireland, Ireland $1,000 and Kieran Kieran 1566 01:28:28,860 --> 01:28:34,980 says, Hi, hey, no jingles no karma thanks. However as this is 1567 01:28:34,980 --> 01:28:40,110 my third my third one que payment. If you will accept that 1568 01:28:40,110 --> 01:28:42,960 without accounting. I would like to claim the Barony of 1569 01:28:42,990 --> 01:28:47,940 Donnybrook. I'd say that is approved. Approved, approved, 1570 01:28:47,940 --> 01:28:50,460 approved. And thank you very much, Karen. We appreciate it. 1571 01:28:50,460 --> 01:28:53,970 We'll hit that we'll hit yet with that later on with your 1572 01:28:53,970 --> 01:28:56,370 official title change. That's 1573 01:28:56,370 --> 01:29:00,420 John C Dvorak: the menisci Yes, yeah. Say no more. Okay, well 1574 01:29:00,450 --> 01:29:04,920 then we move on to Allen fenced in in Blaine Washington and he 1575 01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:09,150 tend to check in and a note and you know why he can tell us the 1576 01:29:09,150 --> 01:29:09,780 note because 1577 01:29:10,890 --> 01:29:12,270 Adam Curry: it's on paper I was like paper 1578 01:29:13,740 --> 01:29:17,610 John C Dvorak: for fourth with the rights. Please find my 1579 01:29:17,610 --> 01:29:22,140 second installment 33333 For fast track the knighthood nice. 1580 01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:25,320 I should be getting that Ambassador shipped to Belize any 1581 01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:30,180 day, asking for a birthday blessings for myself. And as I 1582 01:29:30,180 --> 01:29:33,420 approach 60 times around the sun, I also asked you for 1583 01:29:33,420 --> 01:29:37,470 birthday blessings from my smokin hot wife. And smart he 1584 01:29:37,470 --> 01:29:39,360 puts in right today. After 1585 01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:43,350 Adam Curry: the fact he wrote in smokin hot and smart wife 1586 01:29:43,380 --> 01:29:47,190 John C Dvorak: Joanie 615 And my beautiful daughter Isabel six 1587 01:29:47,190 --> 01:29:51,420 one everybody Wow. Tall there on the list, I guess so. 1588 01:29:51,690 --> 01:29:53,520 Adam Curry: I thought I thought they were just tall but no, it's 1589 01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:54,630 all birthdays. Okay. 1590 01:29:55,950 --> 01:30:00,270 John C Dvorak: 616 50 currently residing in New York. City 1591 01:30:00,270 --> 01:30:06,000 Brooklyn. She could go meet your daughter Yeah. But don't hold 1592 01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:08,220 that against her thanks for all you guys do to keep me sane I'll 1593 01:30:08,220 --> 01:30:11,250 be dropping my next donation in a few months we hosted a meet up 1594 01:30:11,250 --> 01:30:14,070 recently at our Bistro, the vault bistro and wine bar in 1595 01:30:14,070 --> 01:30:17,130 beautiful Blaine gateway to the USA where I can still see 1596 01:30:17,130 --> 01:30:21,090 socialism from my Deck. A good time was had by all still 1597 01:30:21,090 --> 01:30:23,820 waiting for you guys to show up at our bistro where you will be 1598 01:30:23,820 --> 01:30:27,930 treated like the OG gangsta kings that you are perfecting my 1599 01:30:27,930 --> 01:30:31,110 roundtable request stay tuned thank you for your courage and 1600 01:30:31,110 --> 01:30:33,990 the best podcast in the universe and for the best podcast in the 1601 01:30:33,990 --> 01:30:36,990 universe and put that in there. Alan fist and in Blaine 1602 01:30:36,990 --> 01:30:37,710 Washington Thank 1603 01:30:37,710 --> 01:30:40,320 Adam Curry: you Alan we move on to Dame Lisa from Foxborough, 1604 01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:44,640 Massachusetts. Lots of casinos there. If I recall Foxborough 1605 01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:48,300 casino, also a piece of paper I have the scan Adam and John 1606 01:30:48,780 --> 01:30:53,250 three, three 3.33 enclosed my annual donation Thank you. See 1607 01:30:53,250 --> 01:30:56,550 as you encourage seeing as you encourage the airing of 1608 01:30:56,550 --> 01:31:01,260 grievances. I will admit, I am still a bit miffed that you did 1609 01:31:01,260 --> 01:31:04,830 not acknowledge my gift of ruffles all dressed chips last 1610 01:31:04,830 --> 01:31:09,090 spring. I believe this to not be true. I think we most definitely 1611 01:31:09,090 --> 01:31:13,080 discussed the box of ruffles all dressed chips she sent you 1612 01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:15,120 John C Dvorak: said Most definitely. I meant it. 1613 01:31:15,150 --> 01:31:19,290 Adam Curry: 100% However, she says I'm trying to let that go. 1614 01:31:19,290 --> 01:31:20,760 Yes, it's called forgiveness. 1615 01:31:21,150 --> 01:31:23,670 John C Dvorak: I think that we got to chips and they were so 1616 01:31:23,670 --> 01:31:29,250 gross. It was Yeah, we didn't want to make her embarrass her. 1617 01:31:29,790 --> 01:31:33,330 Adam Curry: I think you may be right. ruffles Oh my see 1618 01:31:33,870 --> 01:31:36,090 John C Dvorak: ruffles all dressed chips it was like her I 1619 01:31:36,090 --> 01:31:39,570 believe there were a small bag of potato chips that had every 1620 01:31:39,570 --> 01:31:43,680 imaginable spice and seasoning all thrown into one to make a 1621 01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:48,120 mess. I believe that to be true. I do believe 1622 01:31:48,150 --> 01:31:52,680 Adam Curry: yes well I see we discussed ruffles chips on 1623 01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:58,200 episode 1064 And let me just 1624 01:31:58,230 --> 01:32:00,630 John C Dvorak: grab was probably the so we did discuss them she 1625 01:32:00,630 --> 01:32:01,290 didn't hear it I 1626 01:32:01,290 --> 01:32:05,070 Adam Curry: think we did I'm pretty sure we did. Yes. Anyway 1627 01:32:05,100 --> 01:32:09,240 anywho I'm trying to let that go I know you must get a lot of 1628 01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:12,180 gifts and I'm more worried that you will find an exit strategy 1629 01:32:12,180 --> 01:32:20,130 and leave me and my amygdala stranded well that's yes keep up 1630 01:32:20,130 --> 01:32:24,180 the good work Dame Lisa of Amick lake in five casters 1631 01:32:24,180 --> 01:32:26,190 John C Dvorak: in residences are a legal scheme 1632 01:32:27,900 --> 01:32:30,090 Adam Curry: to give and you will probably get points on every 1633 01:32:30,090 --> 01:32:31,860 deal points man will get point 1634 01:32:31,860 --> 01:32:32,820 John C Dvorak: Yeah, we get some points. 1635 01:32:33,450 --> 01:32:40,440 Adam Curry: points on the deal. Rolling Hey hello VCs out there 1636 01:32:40,440 --> 01:32:43,950 puck and we'll we'll do great. So tell me about your latest AI 1637 01:32:43,950 --> 01:32:51,810 play so what's the T and what's the TAM on your product? That's 1638 01:32:51,810 --> 01:32:55,560 the total accessible market for those not in the know or VC 1639 01:32:55,560 --> 01:33:02,190 speak alright impressed you with that I can tell ya Oh yeah, okay 1640 01:33:02,250 --> 01:33:03,090 all right. You're up. 1641 01:33:03,900 --> 01:33:09,510 John C Dvorak: Oh, I am up with sorry sir pursuit sir pursuit of 1642 01:33:09,510 --> 01:33:15,300 peace and tranquility another another note and paper this is 1643 01:33:15,300 --> 01:33:19,410 great. Please find enclosed my made donation of 33333 have Adam 1644 01:33:19,410 --> 01:33:21,120 would you kindly chip in a penny? No, 1645 01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:24,630 Adam Curry: I've got one Hold on It's it's in that small pocket 1646 01:33:24,660 --> 01:33:25,230 in my 1647 01:33:26,460 --> 01:33:30,210 John C Dvorak: in my gene he will help me stay aligned with 1648 01:33:30,210 --> 01:33:32,760 the university accounting below and he's got the accounting he's 1649 01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:36,210 got 4333 deaths but he doesn't need a penny but he got 1650 01:33:36,210 --> 01:33:38,910 sincerely sir pursuit of peace and tranquility in the lands of 1651 01:33:38,910 --> 01:33:41,310 the red clay and the cherry trees he's got the accounting 1652 01:33:41,310 --> 01:33:45,360 but he doesn't say anything about winning an upgrade but 1653 01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:48,540 Adam Curry: gets an upgrade I think he gets an upgrade for 1654 01:33:50,310 --> 01:33:52,530 John C Dvorak: Baron plus in that a bike and or a 1655 01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:55,290 Adam Curry: hole I'm let me scroll down the list something 1656 01:33:55,290 --> 01:33:58,950 Hold on a second title change No, no, he didn't ask for 1657 01:33:58,950 --> 01:33:59,610 anything but 1658 01:33:59,610 --> 01:34:00,990 John C Dvorak: yeah, that's great. Well, if he asked for 1659 01:34:00,990 --> 01:34:03,660 some we'll give it to him. Now of course with great pleasure 1660 01:34:03,660 --> 01:34:04,500 get the penny 1661 01:34:04,530 --> 01:34:07,740 Adam Curry: with great pleasure. Mike Ellis is in Pottstown pa 1662 01:34:07,740 --> 01:34:12,600 333 ITM John Adams, the pride of successfully hitting my uncle 1663 01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:16,350 Jimmy row in the mouth was soon overshadowed by the shame of my 1664 01:34:16,350 --> 01:34:20,790 douchebaggery being called out on the last show. The dirt won't 1665 01:34:20,790 --> 01:34:25,470 come off. Perhaps a D douching might cleanse me of my shame 1666 01:34:27,150 --> 01:34:32,610 you've been deep deuced I keep taking from the best podcast in 1667 01:34:32,610 --> 01:34:35,370 the universe without returning any treasure to the cause. Well 1668 01:34:35,370 --> 01:34:39,420 no more love is lit and love you guys jingles anything rev 1669 01:34:39,420 --> 01:34:41,730 Sharpton and yelling dog karma. 1670 01:34:58,290 --> 01:35:03,930 John C Dvorak: John of Jupiter inside Centerville, Utah 23456 1671 01:35:03,930 --> 01:35:06,900 becomes the first Associate Executive Producer. This 1672 01:35:06,900 --> 01:35:09,600 donation brings me to knighthood. I've been part of 1673 01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:13,410 the no agenda community for 10 years to the day, and it's made 1674 01:35:13,440 --> 01:35:18,060 a double plus good difference in my life thanks to Sir Shaun of 1675 01:35:18,060 --> 01:35:20,160 the Northern Everglades for hitting me in the mouth and 1676 01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:24,900 keeping me honest. Thanks to my smokin hot wife Jenny for 1677 01:35:24,900 --> 01:35:29,400 permission to become a night for my joint birthday Father's Day 1678 01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:32,880 present. Wow, that's nice. Good for Jenny. She's good. She's 1679 01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:35,010 this smart machine one 1680 01:35:35,010 --> 01:35:35,880 Adam Curry: of the smart ones. 1681 01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:39,540 John C Dvorak: Shout out to gray America. And to the producers of 1682 01:35:39,540 --> 01:35:44,820 this have in a similar line or some similar line of work who 1683 01:35:44,820 --> 01:35:48,570 publicly share the information I haven't speaking of spooks 1684 01:35:50,790 --> 01:35:53,580 Adam Curry: by the way, primarily suspicious 1685 01:35:53,580 --> 01:35:56,610 John C Dvorak: that Sparky the dimension dog and Phoebe haven't 1686 01:35:56,610 --> 01:36:01,410 been seen in the same place. Tonight me Sir John of Jupiter 1687 01:36:01,440 --> 01:36:09,150 lover of La Loxahatchee Loxahatchee and emissary to the 1688 01:36:09,150 --> 01:36:13,350 perpetual pioneers. I would like some street meat and ever ugly 1689 01:36:13,380 --> 01:36:17,700 glaze heat at the roundtable. I can get some mechanism. Trump's 1690 01:36:17,730 --> 01:36:21,870 Trump's job karma for inspiration and an Atlas 1691 01:36:21,870 --> 01:36:26,550 Shrugged since I'm still waiting on my invite to gold's Gulch, 1692 01:36:26,820 --> 01:36:28,920 Adam Curry: and he's an Associate Executive Producer and 1693 01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:30,540 will be knighted today 1694 01:36:34,470 --> 01:36:38,460 Unknown: by iron Rand jobs, jobs, jobs. 1695 01:36:45,060 --> 01:36:50,490 Adam Curry: Steve Dimitrijevic Dimitrijevic Dimitrijevic 1696 01:36:50,550 --> 01:36:54,330 Dimitrijevic What do you think it is? Dimitrijevic. I want to 1697 01:36:54,330 --> 01:36:58,020 say it fast Dimitri. visiable. Jim, Jim. diminta Maitra Vic 1698 01:36:58,260 --> 01:37:00,990 nases seven. Oh, no. It seems like there's something else in 1699 01:37:00,990 --> 01:37:02,130 there that anyway. Well, he 1700 01:37:02,130 --> 01:37:03,930 John C Dvorak: said, Yeah. Well, yeah. 1701 01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:06,660 Adam Curry: He said, Steve sent in a note he's in Kenosha, 1702 01:37:06,660 --> 01:37:11,040 Wisconsin. And what was his donation amount here he sent us 1703 01:37:12,060 --> 01:37:16,170 to the RO ducks row ducks. Two two 2.2 to one of our another 1704 01:37:16,170 --> 01:37:18,420 one of our favorites. John. Adam, thank you for your 1705 01:37:18,420 --> 01:37:20,520 courage. You've been listening since Adams first Rogen 1706 01:37:20,520 --> 01:37:24,090 appearance, broken donation, please credit this donation to 1707 01:37:24,090 --> 01:37:26,760 my beautiful wife Michelle. Oh, that's a switch through them, 1708 01:37:26,970 --> 01:37:31,770 which are true since giving up her nursery her nursing job due 1709 01:37:31,770 --> 01:37:37,950 to jab refusal. good woman. She has given birth to our two 1710 01:37:37,950 --> 01:37:43,860 beautiful HR daughters, HR O human resource daughters, and 1711 01:37:43,860 --> 01:37:48,030 started a tallow based skincare company. I could not be more 1712 01:37:48,030 --> 01:37:53,760 proud. Now watch out FDA is gonna come for you. And we never 1713 01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:58,230 had a fight. With all the recent talk about banning beef and 1714 01:37:58,230 --> 01:38:02,070 cattle shortages. I knew it was time to donate. For producers 1715 01:38:02,070 --> 01:38:06,180 looking for a chemical free skincare go to purely raised 1716 01:38:06,210 --> 01:38:12,510 skincare.com That's purely raised skincare.com and use code 1717 01:38:12,540 --> 01:38:19,530 ITM 20 for 20% off your first order. Yet karma for all? Wow. I 1718 01:38:19,530 --> 01:38:22,710 love I love it. I love it when people start businesses like 1719 01:38:22,710 --> 01:38:28,260 that. I bet it's dynamite. I really do. Thank you. You've got 1720 01:38:32,070 --> 01:38:39,150 so Michelle. Michelle is in there Michelle? Michelle, my 1721 01:38:39,150 --> 01:38:40,710 Belle with 1722 01:38:40,710 --> 01:38:43,590 John C Dvorak: another Michelle Michelle Carter Michelle law. 1723 01:38:43,620 --> 01:38:45,210 Adam Curry: How about that coincidence? 1724 01:38:45,750 --> 01:38:51,840 John C Dvorak: In Westbrook? Or West Bank? I'm sorry, BC, BC BC 1725 01:38:52,470 --> 01:38:59,850 210 60. Hi, John and Adam $200 USD is 285 Canadian dollar reds. 1726 01:39:01,890 --> 01:39:05,910 It's been a crazy year for sure. Adrian and I we moved away from 1727 01:39:05,910 --> 01:39:09,330 the overly expensive cost of living in the Okanagan Valley in 1728 01:39:09,330 --> 01:39:14,910 BC winegrowing area I might add to Saskatoon, the parish of 1729 01:39:14,910 --> 01:39:19,560 Canada it is Sat is what they say Saskatoon, Saskatchewan 1730 01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:23,220 gotta say we love it here. This is a beautiful place and it's so 1731 01:39:23,220 --> 01:39:27,960 much more like the Canadian Canadia we grew up in. We are 1732 01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:31,110 really enjoying the lower cost of living the practical people 1733 01:39:31,110 --> 01:39:34,650 and the natural beauty of the area. Now we can afford to 1734 01:39:34,650 --> 01:39:40,950 donate more often. Everybody should move to Saskatoon. She 1735 01:39:40,950 --> 01:39:43,890 didn't say that. I did. Yeah, like no jingles this time just a 1736 01:39:43,890 --> 01:39:47,160 moving karma as we finally move into our permanent place after 1737 01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:51,000 living off the good graces of a friend for sick. Wow, six 1738 01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:53,610 months. Wow, that is a good friend. Thank you for your 1739 01:39:53,610 --> 01:39:54,600 courage. Michelle, 1740 01:39:54,630 --> 01:39:57,480 Adam Curry: that's a great friend for sure. You've got 1741 01:39:57,660 --> 01:40:02,520 karma and And then we move over to Eli the coffee guy I happen 1742 01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:05,820 to be drinking a gigawatt this is still the Costa Rican dotata 1743 01:40:05,820 --> 01:40:10,260 zoo snapped up. Yeah, I love that stuff man. I only drink it 1744 01:40:10,260 --> 01:40:13,170 on show days by the way because otherwise Tina's like, calm 1745 01:40:13,170 --> 01:40:17,490 down. Calm down. I want to credit this donation to Scott 1746 01:40:17,490 --> 01:40:20,880 McKenzie. Okay, I will change that credit. Oh, he is the 1747 01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:24,660 author of the no agenda themed books. I have them all. Yes, 1748 01:40:24,660 --> 01:40:28,620 such as tales from Gitmo nation and cockroach milk. We've been 1749 01:40:28,620 --> 01:40:31,620 talking about this for so long, haven't we? We were talking 1750 01:40:31,620 --> 01:40:36,510 about bugs in your food before Klaus Schwab was born. Producers 1751 01:40:36,510 --> 01:40:40,470 who want a fun easy read laced with dark humor. Check them out 1752 01:40:40,500 --> 01:40:43,830 Scott McKenzie, no agenda theme books, and whether you make your 1753 01:40:43,830 --> 01:40:47,490 lattes with cow's milk nuts app or cockroach milk, visit 1754 01:40:47,490 --> 01:40:52,140 gigawatt coffee roasters.com and use code ITM 20 for 20% off your 1755 01:40:52,140 --> 01:40:55,980 first order. Stay caffeinated Eli, the coffee guy. 1756 01:40:56,970 --> 01:41:00,510 John C Dvorak: They sent me some of the new Rwanda Special 1757 01:41:00,540 --> 01:41:01,140 Edition. 1758 01:41:01,260 --> 01:41:02,790 Adam Curry: Ah, have you tried it yet? 1759 01:41:03,030 --> 01:41:05,070 John C Dvorak: No, I just finished the last grinding of 1760 01:41:05,070 --> 01:41:06,720 the last. I'm just going to next. 1761 01:41:07,980 --> 01:41:11,250 Adam Curry: It's good stuff. I gotta say. And it's just the 1762 01:41:11,250 --> 01:41:12,630 husband and wife would do this. 1763 01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:16,290 John C Dvorak: Right? Yes. Yeah. As far as I can tell. Well, I'm 1764 01:41:16,290 --> 01:41:17,280 Dave Stacy. 1765 01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:19,740 Adam Curry: And they sent me a beautiful note with my cans. 1766 01:41:20,190 --> 01:41:22,590 Because now I like the cans. I hate the cans, man. Like the 1767 01:41:22,590 --> 01:41:24,900 cans, cans. I get all jacked from the cans. 1768 01:41:25,410 --> 01:41:28,110 John C Dvorak: Well, that brings us to Linda Lou patcon another 1769 01:41:29,010 --> 01:41:31,890 contributor to the show a consistent one from Lakewood, 1770 01:41:31,890 --> 01:41:36,330 Colorado. Who wants jobs Carmen she comes in always with $200 1771 01:41:36,690 --> 01:41:43,080 Every she says for a speedy a speedier job search for a 1772 01:41:43,080 --> 01:41:47,610 speedier job search to get my intonation Correct. Go to Image 1773 01:41:47,610 --> 01:41:52,260 makers inc.com For all your resume executive resume and job 1774 01:41:52,260 --> 01:41:57,000 search needs as image makers ink with a Cait as an ink or fine 1775 01:41:57,000 --> 01:42:00,750 Linda will pack in the Dutchess of jobs and writer of resumes on 1776 01:42:00,750 --> 01:42:01,890 the producer list. 1777 01:42:02,370 --> 01:42:05,340 Unknown: Go jobs, jobs and jobs 1778 01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:12,240 Adam Curry: for jobs. You know. I saw that our resident racer 1779 01:42:12,300 --> 01:42:17,220 Ashlynn Speed Speed Racer who has been has been doing a 1780 01:42:17,220 --> 01:42:22,710 dynamite job of promoting gigwalk coffee and makers in the 1781 01:42:22,710 --> 01:42:26,040 loop edge so now she signed with like some sports management 1782 01:42:26,040 --> 01:42:26,610 company. 1783 01:42:26,910 --> 01:42:28,860 John C Dvorak: Oh Good Good for her. That's what she needs. 1784 01:42:28,890 --> 01:42:29,040 Well, you 1785 01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:30,570 Adam Curry: know what's gonna happen there go all the 1786 01:42:30,570 --> 01:42:33,810 freebies. Yeah, before you know what our logo is gonna be off 1787 01:42:33,810 --> 01:42:39,660 the car. Well, those guys those guys then I know exactly what 1788 01:42:39,660 --> 01:42:41,790 you're saying. But you know what? I'm okay with it because I 1789 01:42:41,790 --> 01:42:45,660 could not be happier for her. She has winter written all her 1790 01:42:45,660 --> 01:42:48,810 name speed. She's she's gonna be on the 1791 01:42:49,200 --> 01:42:52,470 John C Dvorak: agenda. Always put a no agenda patch on the on 1792 01:42:52,470 --> 01:42:56,880 the on the outfit. Oh, you know, we will get her management guys 1793 01:42:56,880 --> 01:42:58,830 won't be able to do anything about that. Right? 1794 01:42:58,830 --> 01:43:01,980 Adam Curry: No agenda cowboy hat. She always wears a cowboy 1795 01:43:01,980 --> 01:43:04,380 hat. Because now she's a Texas girl. Yeah, 1796 01:43:04,380 --> 01:43:07,380 John C Dvorak: well, I said North Carolina look at Yes, 1797 01:43:07,710 --> 01:43:08,490 exactly. 1798 01:43:08,490 --> 01:43:11,790 Adam Curry: Right. We're so proud of her. Yeah, we want to 1799 01:43:11,790 --> 01:43:14,790 see people like her succeed. Go on without us. Okay, we don't 1800 01:43:14,790 --> 01:43:17,640 need the logo. Just remember us. remembers one 1801 01:43:17,790 --> 01:43:21,450 John C Dvorak: female Richard Petty in the making who only 1802 01:43:21,450 --> 01:43:21,690 much 1803 01:43:21,690 --> 01:43:23,580 Adam Curry: better looking richard petty man, he was kind 1804 01:43:23,580 --> 01:43:31,170 of harsh. Like the guy Thank you. Thank you very much to our 1805 01:43:31,170 --> 01:43:33,720 executive and Associate Executive producers. Again, 1806 01:43:33,720 --> 01:43:35,910 thank you to everybody who supports the show. You're a 1807 01:43:35,910 --> 01:43:41,370 producer. For any amount, go to no agenda donations.com. We will 1808 01:43:41,370 --> 01:43:45,360 be mentioning people above $50 In our second Thank you segment. 1809 01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:48,480 And of course, we always thank people under 50 who come in for 1810 01:43:48,480 --> 01:43:51,840 reasons of anonymity. And again, those sustaining donations. Any 1811 01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:54,990 amount is good. Go to no agenda. donation.com Thank you again for 1812 01:43:54,990 --> 01:43:57,750 being Executive Associate Executive Producer. Our 1813 01:43:57,750 --> 01:44:02,190 Unknown: formula is this. We go out. We get people in the mouth 1814 01:44:12,630 --> 01:44:19,980 John C Dvorak: shut us like to discuss the Miss USA controversy 1815 01:44:19,980 --> 01:44:22,140 with a couple of NPR clips. Oh, 1816 01:44:22,140 --> 01:44:24,600 Adam Curry: good, because I already brought it up that 1817 01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:27,450 something was going on. Right. We talked about a few shows. 1818 01:44:27,450 --> 01:44:27,690 Yeah. 1819 01:44:27,690 --> 01:44:29,880 John C Dvorak: You mentioned it. Yes. But this is like 1820 01:44:30,420 --> 01:44:32,430 something's going on. Something's up. This is like a 1821 01:44:32,430 --> 01:44:38,250 classic example of NPR not being able to twist the story to drop 1822 01:44:38,250 --> 01:44:39,180 the story. So it's 1823 01:44:40,500 --> 01:44:41,910 Adam Curry: to make it something Trump did. 1824 01:44:43,770 --> 01:44:45,750 John C Dvorak: I think you may have guessed it, but let's go. 1825 01:44:47,070 --> 01:44:49,410 Unknown: Now we turn to a scandal that's shaking up the 1826 01:44:49,410 --> 01:44:50,610 beauty pageant world. 1827 01:44:50,670 --> 01:44:54,000 Adam Curry: Oh man. It's already starting off great. The beauty 1828 01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:55,710 pageant world oh no 1829 01:44:55,740 --> 01:45:00,360 Unknown: Miss USA and Miss Teen USA recently stepped down. The 1830 01:45:00,360 --> 01:45:03,390 organization that runs both of these competitions is under 1831 01:45:03,390 --> 01:45:07,380 scrutiny. Now former Miss USA Noelia Voight cited mental 1832 01:45:07,380 --> 01:45:10,860 health while the former Miss Teen USA Illuma. Sophia 1833 01:45:10,860 --> 01:45:14,520 Srivastava pointed to a misalignment of quote, personal 1834 01:45:14,520 --> 01:45:18,090 values within the organization. For more insight on this, we're 1835 01:45:18,090 --> 01:45:20,880 joined here in studio by Amy argot, singer, she's style 1836 01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:23,910 editor at the Washington Post and the author of the book there 1837 01:45:23,910 --> 01:45:27,540 she was The Secret History of Miss America. Amy, welcome. 1838 01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:28,590 Thank you for having me. 1839 01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:32,100 Amy. Just for starters, can you briefly walk us through what we 1840 01:45:32,100 --> 01:45:34,170 know so far about these resignations? 1841 01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:38,310 We haven't gotten a lot of details, it seems as though both 1842 01:45:38,550 --> 01:45:40,980 the former Miss USA and the former Miss Teen USA are 1843 01:45:40,980 --> 01:45:43,710 probably bound up by nondisclosure agreements. 1844 01:45:43,860 --> 01:45:47,040 They've alluded to being limited in what they can say. But some 1845 01:45:47,040 --> 01:45:49,620 details have trickled out just reading between the lines of 1846 01:45:49,620 --> 01:45:53,040 their messages to the public on Instagram and by some comments 1847 01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:56,040 that their mothers have given in interviews. And the general 1848 01:45:56,040 --> 01:45:59,400 impression you have is that they feel like they were just 1849 01:45:59,400 --> 01:46:04,380 shabbily treated by pageant management, that they were 1850 01:46:04,380 --> 01:46:08,880 subject to criticism and disorganization. You've seen 1851 01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:13,350 some phrases tossed about bullying, sexual harassment that 1852 01:46:13,350 --> 01:46:15,960 wasn't taken seriously things like that. But the precise 1853 01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:18,630 details have not come out the resignation 1854 01:46:18,630 --> 01:46:22,020 statement that was put out by Noelia, Voight, who was Miss USA 1855 01:46:22,020 --> 01:46:25,140 went viral and followers online. were pointing out that her 1856 01:46:25,140 --> 01:46:28,350 statements first 11 sentences started with letters that 1857 01:46:28,350 --> 01:46:33,180 spelled out quote, I am silenced on quote. I mean, do you think 1858 01:46:33,180 --> 01:46:35,790 that's internet conspiracy theory or that she's trying to 1859 01:46:35,790 --> 01:46:38,520 say something significant there for once? 1860 01:46:38,550 --> 01:46:42,210 It does not seem to be internet conspiracy theory. People close 1861 01:46:42,210 --> 01:46:45,300 to her have said yeah, this is how she feels that was an 1862 01:46:45,300 --> 01:46:48,780 intentional message. And that's the message we've gotten is that 1863 01:46:49,290 --> 01:46:52,170 this was somewhat coordinated. These young women talk to each 1864 01:46:52,170 --> 01:46:55,920 other. Their resignations had been preceded by that of the 1865 01:46:55,920 --> 01:46:59,910 Social Media Manager for the organization. Wow, 1866 01:46:59,940 --> 01:47:04,770 Adam Curry: it's about time. This is I've never understood 1867 01:47:05,490 --> 01:47:10,860 why this is still a thing. I mean, it's it seems so off in 1868 01:47:10,860 --> 01:47:15,660 today's politically correct world to have beauty contests at 1869 01:47:15,660 --> 01:47:20,190 all. The enter display women like this is of course the 1870 01:47:20,190 --> 01:47:24,240 season of reveal and it'll we'll find out about the Olympic 1871 01:47:24,240 --> 01:47:29,340 Games, how the how the athletes are treated like just marketing 1872 01:47:29,340 --> 01:47:33,240 meet, marketing meet. That's all that's all these women aren't 1873 01:47:33,240 --> 01:47:37,350 marketing meet for organizations that are corrupt and probably 1874 01:47:37,350 --> 01:47:38,490 filled with creeps. 1875 01:47:39,990 --> 01:47:42,690 John C Dvorak: If of course I would draw creeps because you go 1876 01:47:42,690 --> 01:47:48,600 where the action is. There's actually no we're there. So I am 1877 01:47:48,600 --> 01:47:52,470 silenced as the first let you know first I actually wrote a 1878 01:47:52,470 --> 01:47:56,130 column for Mac user magazine years ago where I did that. You 1879 01:47:56,130 --> 01:47:59,730 did I am silence you did want to say I'm silenced. But I had some 1880 01:47:59,730 --> 01:48:03,090 message using the first letter of every sentence was it? I 1881 01:48:03,090 --> 01:48:06,030 can't remember his Happy April Fool's Day or something. I don't 1882 01:48:06,030 --> 01:48:11,430 remember. The whole thing was let down. I think I did a bunch 1883 01:48:11,430 --> 01:48:16,110 of these jokes and I one of year I resigned which upset the 1884 01:48:16,110 --> 01:48:20,550 publisher. But in the boot there was a message was in there. But 1885 01:48:20,550 --> 01:48:23,640 I remember one time I did one that was a mirror image which 1886 01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:27,270 was the I think one of my more creative April Fool's gags. But 1887 01:48:27,270 --> 01:48:30,120 yeah, using the first letter is not it's not a conspiracy when 1888 01:48:30,120 --> 01:48:34,110 it spells out I am silenced. No, it's like, what can you think 1889 01:48:34,110 --> 01:48:38,250 it's a coincidence that she wrote this? So okay, anyway, so 1890 01:48:38,250 --> 01:48:40,680 now we go to part two, because we gotta get to the bottom of 1891 01:48:40,680 --> 01:48:43,740 this, what's really going on who's responsible? More 1892 01:48:43,740 --> 01:48:46,500 Unknown: quietly, though, a couple of longtime executives 1893 01:48:46,770 --> 01:48:50,730 with Miss USA stepped away in the past several months since 1894 01:48:50,730 --> 01:48:55,080 the pageant management changed hands back in August. This is an 1895 01:48:55,080 --> 01:48:58,260 organization that's in some upheaval, and that goes back a 1896 01:48:58,260 --> 01:48:59,370 long ways. 1897 01:48:59,550 --> 01:49:03,030 Voigt hasn't commented further on her resignation statement, 1898 01:49:03,030 --> 01:49:05,910 but a longer version of that resignation letter was obtained 1899 01:49:05,910 --> 01:49:09,870 by some news organizations. And in it, she accused the Miss USA 1900 01:49:09,870 --> 01:49:13,920 organization of quote, a toxic work environment that at best is 1901 01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:18,510 poor management, and at worst is bullying and harassment. Given 1902 01:49:18,510 --> 01:49:21,630 what you know about this organization about its history. 1903 01:49:21,750 --> 01:49:23,520 Did those charges surprise you? 1904 01:49:23,850 --> 01:49:28,230 No, they really didn't surprise me. Part of that has to do with 1905 01:49:28,650 --> 01:49:31,590 the fact that this was the pageant organization Miss USA, a 1906 01:49:31,590 --> 01:49:34,920 subsidiary Miss Universe that was owned in part by Donald 1907 01:49:34,920 --> 01:49:42,270 Trump. I think we all remember hearing in 2015 2016, some of 1908 01:49:42,300 --> 01:49:46,470 the accusations, some of the stories that came out about his 1909 01:49:47,010 --> 01:49:51,960 behavior around contestants the way he talked about them. Oh, 1910 01:49:51,960 --> 01:49:58,320 Adam Curry: my word, man, you know, I thought that you know, 1911 01:49:58,320 --> 01:50:01,290 did John forget Did he forget had about what was going on. But 1912 01:50:01,290 --> 01:50:03,480 this also deserves a clip of the day on. 1913 01:50:06,240 --> 01:50:09,390 John C Dvorak: NPR and Washington Post, they can help 1914 01:50:09,390 --> 01:50:12,300 themselves. They just can't do it. 1915 01:50:12,330 --> 01:50:17,190 Adam Curry: Of course we have Trump. It's Trump's fault. You 1916 01:50:17,190 --> 01:50:20,280 know what, you know, I know I know what the problem was. I 1917 01:50:20,280 --> 01:50:22,440 know what she's what she couldn't say. I know what's 1918 01:50:22,440 --> 01:50:27,000 going on. Half of the contestants are dudes. That's 1919 01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:30,330 what's happening there. Yeah. Yeah, we're sick of it. We're 1920 01:50:30,330 --> 01:50:34,350 sick of it. And so is the sisterhood. Kappa Kappa Gamma. 1921 01:50:34,860 --> 01:50:37,590 Unknown: Six members of Kappa Kappa Gamma walk towards the 1922 01:50:37,590 --> 01:50:40,350 Federal Court of Appeals in downtown Denver this morning. 1923 01:50:41,190 --> 01:50:44,610 Supporters cheering as they make another push to ban Artemus 1924 01:50:44,610 --> 01:50:48,360 Langford and transgender women from being in their sorority 1925 01:50:48,390 --> 01:50:48,840 just supposed 1926 01:50:48,840 --> 01:50:51,480 to be free. You're not exposed to the outside world the male 1927 01:50:51,480 --> 01:50:53,670 gaze you're safe from all that their 1928 01:50:53,670 --> 01:50:56,430 case was dismissed by the district court last year. The 1929 01:50:56,430 --> 01:50:59,340 judge ruling even though Kappa Kappa game was bylaws. Say 1930 01:50:59,340 --> 01:51:03,210 quote, a new member shall be a woman. The court can't be the 1931 01:51:03,210 --> 01:51:06,990 one to decide whether that excludes transgender women. This 1932 01:51:06,990 --> 01:51:10,020 word is attorney Natalie McLaughlin arguing today. The 1933 01:51:10,020 --> 01:51:13,500 fraternity council didn't amend the bylaws just interpreted 1934 01:51:13,500 --> 01:51:17,700 them. The term women is undefined and campus bylaws and 1935 01:51:17,700 --> 01:51:21,660 that term women is not a term that has a singular definition. 1936 01:51:21,690 --> 01:51:24,690 They say when a fraternity counsel is put into position, 1937 01:51:24,690 --> 01:51:28,710 then they have the duty that's the word they use duty to decide 1938 01:51:28,740 --> 01:51:32,280 what that term means. And in this case, they decided that 1939 01:51:32,280 --> 01:51:36,060 that is to include transgender women. The issue here is whether 1940 01:51:36,180 --> 01:51:41,040 fraternity Council has the right to interpret the term women and 1941 01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:44,580 it is not whether they have you know announced that term in the 1942 01:51:44,580 --> 01:51:48,000 best form but whether they have exercised the right to interpret 1943 01:51:48,210 --> 01:51:52,290 that term and that is what occurred here. Six women though 1944 01:51:52,290 --> 01:51:55,170 say the way the sporty was asked to vote on link for to 1945 01:51:55,170 --> 01:51:58,380 membership through Google Forms was against bylaws. 1946 01:51:58,410 --> 01:52:02,580 So it was a big intimidation factor of hey, we can see if you 1947 01:52:02,580 --> 01:52:05,460 voted, we can see how you voted and we can come talk to you 1948 01:52:05,460 --> 01:52:06,210 about your vote 1949 01:52:06,210 --> 01:52:09,210 or three judges listen to both sides for a little over an hour. 1950 01:52:09,240 --> 01:52:11,910 They did express doubt on whether they could make a ruling 1951 01:52:11,910 --> 01:52:15,030 or if a lower court should continue to hear the case. No 1952 01:52:15,030 --> 01:52:17,100 word on when they may come back with a decision. 1953 01:52:17,280 --> 01:52:20,400 Adam Curry: Okay, well, this is easy Corinne DeVore XA You're 1954 01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:24,810 not a woman. We can define what a woman is. This has to stop. 1955 01:52:25,290 --> 01:52:29,520 And it's it's it's crazy that we have a Supreme Court justice 1956 01:52:29,520 --> 01:52:34,320 Catan G Jackson Browne, who in her confirmation hearing would 1957 01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:39,480 not define what a woman is. And here we are. These these girls, 1958 01:52:39,480 --> 01:52:44,730 by the way, fantastic. They were rocking it. I go women look at 1959 01:52:44,730 --> 01:52:46,410 us we're women. Stay away. 1960 01:52:47,220 --> 01:52:50,790 John C Dvorak: There's an overriding question here which 1961 01:52:50,790 --> 01:52:55,290 is you got it sorority? I'm familiar with sororities and 1962 01:52:55,320 --> 01:52:58,440 fraternities and how they operate they vote a person and 1963 01:52:58,440 --> 01:53:01,290 if they if this if some transgender comes in and they 1964 01:53:01,290 --> 01:53:04,920 don't want transgenders in their sorority they just say no but 1965 01:53:04,920 --> 01:53:08,070 didn't I don't get to see what is being measured here what she 1966 01:53:08,070 --> 01:53:11,940 said that there were some but the voting some scurry vote yes. 1967 01:53:11,970 --> 01:53:15,450 They they forced everybody open voting. It wasn't a closed vote. 1968 01:53:15,450 --> 01:53:15,510 It 1969 01:53:15,510 --> 01:53:21,030 Adam Curry: was a Google a Google Forms. Google Forms goes 1970 01:53:21,030 --> 01:53:22,830 long was sheets. This 1971 01:53:22,830 --> 01:53:24,600 John C Dvorak: doesn't there's something about the story 1972 01:53:24,600 --> 01:53:27,330 doesn't make sense. I mean, I liked the what they're up to. 1973 01:53:27,360 --> 01:53:29,490 Adam Curry: Yes, me too. I like what they're up to. But it's 1974 01:53:29,490 --> 01:53:33,330 just like case seems somewhat but women right women are under 1975 01:53:33,330 --> 01:53:37,980 attack. And it has to stop particularly those of the 1976 01:53:37,980 --> 01:53:40,020 lactating kind fellas, 1977 01:53:40,020 --> 01:53:42,480 Unknown: the digital billboard was supposed to celebrate 1978 01:53:42,480 --> 01:53:46,890 breastfeeding moms. But after only three days, Molly Boz was 1979 01:53:46,890 --> 01:53:51,180 told the 45 foot ad marketing her so called lactation cookies 1980 01:53:51,420 --> 01:53:53,490 was being taken down. It's 1981 01:53:53,490 --> 01:53:57,480 super disheartening and infuriating to me that my kind 1982 01:53:57,480 --> 01:54:03,180 of first public foray into being a public mother was one that was 1983 01:54:03,180 --> 01:54:05,070 deemed inappropriate. 1984 01:54:05,100 --> 01:54:09,540 This is how the cookie crumbles. For cookbook author Molly baz. 1985 01:54:09,780 --> 01:54:14,010 She says her lactation cookie ad meant to help new moms was on 1986 01:54:14,010 --> 01:54:17,370 her bucket list. But it quickly turned into a lesson in 1987 01:54:17,370 --> 01:54:18,210 hypocrisy. 1988 01:54:18,450 --> 01:54:21,090 There's a lot of irony if you look around the landscape at 1989 01:54:21,090 --> 01:54:25,650 times where of what's going on and what historically, is deemed 1990 01:54:25,680 --> 01:54:31,200 an ad that's appropriate for a public space. I know that this 1991 01:54:31,230 --> 01:54:35,250 is a systemic issue that exists in our society. That's why we 1992 01:54:35,250 --> 01:54:39,690 put this campaign together was to show an empowered pregnant 1993 01:54:39,690 --> 01:54:40,650 woman. The 1994 01:54:40,650 --> 01:54:44,850 ad space is operated by Clear Channel and swell boss, his 1995 01:54:44,850 --> 01:54:48,570 partner says the company was told the ad violated guidelines 1996 01:54:48,570 --> 01:54:51,930 for acceptable content. And that's why it was taken down. 1997 01:54:52,260 --> 01:54:56,340 But baz is now sharing photos of similar ads that also appear in 1998 01:54:56,340 --> 01:54:59,970 Times Square of people in underwear showing just as much 1999 01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:00,450 skin. 2000 01:55:00,600 --> 01:55:02,820 Adam Curry: So at the at the bottom of the story besides 2001 01:55:02,820 --> 01:55:07,890 possibly being a native ad, is it is kind of despicable we've 2002 01:55:07,890 --> 01:55:11,160 gotten to this point where a woman is on the Billboard, and 2003 01:55:11,160 --> 01:55:15,030 she's really only exposing her belly, a big pregnant belly. And 2004 01:55:15,030 --> 01:55:18,510 that is deemed inappropriate by today's cultural standards. 2005 01:55:19,200 --> 01:55:23,100 Whereas we'll go look at the time square billboards. It's all 2006 01:55:23,100 --> 01:55:27,600 sexualized. And so this is Oh, no, we can't have this. Oh, no, 2007 01:55:27,600 --> 01:55:30,540 it's shocking. Oh, it's triggering me. It's triggering. 2008 01:55:30,990 --> 01:55:34,770 Oh, it's red. The rain triggers me I'm triggered. We've gotten 2009 01:55:34,920 --> 01:55:35,130 we've 2010 01:55:37,230 --> 01:55:39,390 John C Dvorak: been looking at this slightly differently as I 2011 01:55:39,390 --> 01:55:43,110 like to know how a cookbook author she's near afford at 2012 01:55:43,110 --> 01:55:44,970 Times Square billboard. She 2013 01:55:44,970 --> 01:55:50,520 Adam Curry: is the New York Times. cookbook recipe author. 2014 01:55:50,520 --> 01:55:54,660 She's a big deal. She's a big deal. This 2015 01:55:54,660 --> 01:55:57,360 John C Dvorak: is so big deal doesn't mean you have the money 2016 01:55:57,360 --> 01:56:01,350 to afford a house I especially a New York Times reporter 2017 01:56:01,380 --> 01:56:02,100 basically, 2018 01:56:02,130 --> 01:56:04,740 Adam Curry: I've she's a big deal but go look her up. 2019 01:56:06,090 --> 01:56:07,740 John C Dvorak: We'll be having a big deal doesn't mean she has 2020 01:56:07,740 --> 01:56:09,210 the resources. If 2021 01:56:09,210 --> 01:56:12,510 Adam Curry: I think new ideas had a billboard on Times Square, 2022 01:56:12,510 --> 01:56:14,100 it's not that expensive just to but you had 2023 01:56:14,100 --> 01:56:18,120 John C Dvorak: investors money as right now your money. Your 2024 01:56:18,120 --> 01:56:19,860 pot investors money? 2025 01:56:19,860 --> 01:56:26,400 Adam Curry: Yes. Big difference. VC cash? Well, okay, I'm not 2026 01:56:26,400 --> 01:56:30,210 looking at that way. I'm looking at the mental health crisis we 2027 01:56:30,210 --> 01:56:33,030 have in America. It's all around the world. But it's certainly in 2028 01:56:33,030 --> 01:56:35,460 the United we have a mental health crisis. People are out of 2029 01:56:35,460 --> 01:56:38,520 their minds, then it's probably because they're not drinking raw 2030 01:56:38,520 --> 01:56:43,560 milk. That would change by the way, the New York Times had an 2031 01:56:43,590 --> 01:56:48,900 outstanding, I was surprised in this era of the whole child 2032 01:56:48,930 --> 01:56:54,810 initiative, which is extremely disturbing. Not good. I have a 2033 01:56:54,810 --> 01:56:59,520 pamphlet, which I've not allowed to post yet by the pamphlet 2034 01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:03,120 that's distributed in schools from the summit Counseling 2035 01:57:03,120 --> 01:57:09,720 Center. And I mean, this is the stuff that they're identifying 2036 01:57:09,720 --> 01:57:14,130 children with in schools buy in school counselors. This is a 2037 01:57:14,130 --> 01:57:17,640 problem. Get your kids out of the school don't even try to 2038 01:57:17,640 --> 01:57:20,940 change the school. Just get them out. Yeah, I'm thinking you're 2039 01:57:20,940 --> 01:57:24,570 right. I mean, homeschooling is there's lots of resources for 2040 01:57:24,570 --> 01:57:28,260 homeschooling parents, you you homeschooled your all of your 2041 01:57:28,260 --> 01:57:28,770 kids. 2042 01:57:30,180 --> 01:57:33,240 John C Dvorak: Just a couple of them and only part not the whole 2043 01:57:33,240 --> 01:57:36,090 time either just a period of time, right and then they want 2044 01:57:36,930 --> 01:57:40,200 to do it you find out a couple of things. Yeah. And there's 2045 01:57:40,200 --> 01:57:43,500 like there's categories of homeschoolers as a Christian 2046 01:57:43,500 --> 01:57:46,710 homeschoolers. There's the Muslim homeschoolers as a Jewish 2047 01:57:46,710 --> 01:57:49,500 homeschoolers as the secular. So there's four groups of 2048 01:57:49,500 --> 01:57:52,230 homeschoolers, and they intermix a little bit. The Muslim 2049 01:57:52,230 --> 01:57:55,380 homeschoolers tend to be the most aggressive about field 2050 01:57:55,380 --> 01:57:58,320 trips. So you try to hook up with a few of those guys. So the 2051 01:57:58,320 --> 01:58:01,170 kids are always going out there at farms, their factories are 2052 01:58:01,170 --> 01:58:05,760 mooted that Muslim homeschoolers are great. There's resources 2053 01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:10,110 there's bookstores, there's online sources that once you get 2054 01:58:10,110 --> 01:58:13,560 into it, it just all of a sudden you're you're you're in a 2055 01:58:13,560 --> 01:58:16,170 network you didn't know existed and then boom, you get 2056 01:58:16,170 --> 01:58:20,580 everything you need is there it's a no brainer. So actually 2057 01:58:20,580 --> 01:58:24,240 quite easy. The key I'll give you this the key to success to 2058 01:58:24,240 --> 01:58:28,620 homeschooling is to get the kid to agree your child Yeah, to be 2059 01:58:28,650 --> 01:58:33,090 getting into it. To sit to agree to it. Yeah. Would you like to 2060 01:58:33,090 --> 01:58:36,030 leave with the other school is terrible. Would you like to be 2061 01:58:36,030 --> 01:58:38,820 homeschool? I will, we will homeschool you but you have to 2062 01:58:38,820 --> 01:58:40,530 agree to cooperate. 2063 01:58:40,770 --> 01:58:42,090 Adam Curry: Sign this. Once 2064 01:58:43,110 --> 01:58:45,270 John C Dvorak: you got it and once they agree to cooperate, 2065 01:58:45,270 --> 01:58:48,690 then this is good to go. There is a lot of art, you know, 2066 01:58:48,690 --> 01:58:49,710 reading on their own 2067 01:58:49,710 --> 01:58:53,430 Adam Curry: and just say how many years was J homeschooled? 2068 01:58:54,690 --> 01:59:00,360 John C Dvorak: Probably four or five five maybe? J 2069 01:59:00,360 --> 01:59:03,690 Adam Curry: DeVore. EC je je Devorah is one of the most 2070 01:59:03,690 --> 01:59:07,170 delightful productive human resources I've ever had the 2071 01:59:07,170 --> 01:59:12,000 pleasure of working with. She she does no agenda abc.com The 2072 01:59:12,000 --> 01:59:15,180 books are shipping by the way. They are their shipping, the 2073 01:59:15,180 --> 01:59:18,630 shipping the books are shipping as we speak no agenda abc.com 2074 01:59:18,630 --> 01:59:22,830 Get your coloring book, get your hard copy. She is one of the 2075 01:59:22,830 --> 01:59:27,570 most enjoyable, pleasant, productive human resources I've 2076 01:59:27,570 --> 01:59:29,670 ever worked with. And there you go. Because she was 2077 01:59:29,670 --> 01:59:34,170 homeschooled. She got no hang ups. No issues. Always smiley, 2078 01:59:34,530 --> 01:59:38,610 always good. Now, I would I would recommend any organization 2079 01:59:38,610 --> 01:59:41,880 hire except you can because we got her under contract. She's at 2080 01:59:41,880 --> 01:59:44,790 the Art publishing company, but our mind but she had a post she 2081 01:59:44,790 --> 01:59:49,140 can't have her. So anyway, on the previous episode, I made 2082 01:59:49,140 --> 01:59:53,370 some comments about social media and how useless utterly useless 2083 01:59:53,370 --> 01:59:56,400 it is to be posting about all the horrible things in the 2084 01:59:56,400 --> 01:59:59,010 world. You might get it off your chest but you're not doing 2085 01:59:59,010 --> 02:00:01,860 anything you're not star Getting a conversation not get anything 2086 02:00:01,860 --> 02:00:05,730 going. You're not helping your means really aren't doing all 2087 02:00:05,730 --> 02:00:08,400 that much. You're in a little bubble and you get your friends. 2088 02:00:08,970 --> 02:00:11,340 Names. That was great, man. It was a great meet. Oh, that was 2089 02:00:11,340 --> 02:00:14,340 great. Oh yeah. Who got them? Yeah, you you showed them on the 2090 02:00:14,340 --> 02:00:20,820 legs really? There's more danger to social networks, particularly 2091 02:00:20,820 --> 02:00:24,240 to the children by the way, I got I saw a lot of positive 2092 02:00:24,240 --> 02:00:27,450 comments people like, you know, Adams and a horrible guy who I 2093 02:00:27,450 --> 02:00:30,840 hate him. He's a grifter, but he is kind of right. You know, it's 2094 02:00:30,840 --> 02:00:31,800 really kind of useless. You're 2095 02:00:31,800 --> 02:00:33,210 John C Dvorak: not a grifter, that's for sure. No, they 2096 02:00:33,210 --> 02:00:36,210 Adam Curry: call me grifter. I'm a grifter. I'm a grifter. I'm a 2097 02:00:36,210 --> 02:00:36,660 grifter. 2098 02:00:38,250 --> 02:00:41,130 John C Dvorak: Maybe a horrible guy. But you're not a grifter. 2099 02:00:41,940 --> 02:00:45,030 Adam Curry: Thank you. Thank you for clarifying. But there is 2100 02:00:45,030 --> 02:00:48,450 more going on with social networking that I would like the 2101 02:00:48,480 --> 02:00:51,360 parents who of course, if you're listening to the no agenda 2102 02:00:51,360 --> 02:00:54,150 podcast, you probably already know this. But I was surprised, 2103 02:00:54,360 --> 02:00:59,040 delightfully surprised to see the New York Times post a whole 2104 02:00:59,070 --> 02:01:02,910 piece on this and actually had a video, I clipped it. And this is 2105 02:01:02,910 --> 02:01:07,530 about mental health, and how social media and the experts on 2106 02:01:07,530 --> 02:01:10,890 social media are ruining your children search 2107 02:01:10,890 --> 02:01:13,320 Unknown: for high functioning anxiety on tick tock, and look 2108 02:01:13,320 --> 02:01:16,770 what happens three signs of high functioning anxiety, with high 2109 02:01:16,770 --> 02:01:19,440 functioning anxiety, things you don't realize you're doing 2110 02:01:19,440 --> 02:01:22,920 because of your high functioning anxiety, more than 10,000 videos 2111 02:01:22,920 --> 02:01:24,450 with millions of young viewers. 2112 02:01:24,690 --> 02:01:27,120 Number one, you tend to have extremely high standards for 2113 02:01:27,120 --> 02:01:30,090 yourself and might even identify as being a perfectionist, you 2114 02:01:30,090 --> 02:01:33,060 are nice and easy to be around. But you people please too much. 2115 02:01:33,150 --> 02:01:36,180 Many are made by professional clinicians. And they mean well, 2116 02:01:36,270 --> 02:01:39,270 but here's the thing. high functioning anxiety isn't a 2117 02:01:39,270 --> 02:01:41,580 medical diagnosis. It's a hashtag. 2118 02:01:43,380 --> 02:01:46,530 No one cares about me. Why should I care about myself? It's 2119 02:01:46,560 --> 02:01:49,800 okay to not understand what you're feeling. And it's easy to 2120 02:01:49,800 --> 02:01:51,210 think that you're all alone. Over the 2121 02:01:51,210 --> 02:01:55,140 last decade, there's been this massive cultural shift in how we 2122 02:01:55,140 --> 02:01:58,770 talk about our psychology and our feelings. They see a 2123 02:01:58,770 --> 02:02:02,790 therapist, it's okay. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. 2124 02:02:02,790 --> 02:02:05,910 It's okay. It's okay. Even Burger King cares about your 2125 02:02:05,910 --> 02:02:09,270 mental health. Awareness is good. It teaches us to talk 2126 02:02:09,270 --> 02:02:12,240 about our feelings and it combats harmful stigma but all 2127 02:02:12,240 --> 02:02:15,810 this awareness is not reducing rates of mental health problems. 2128 02:02:15,840 --> 02:02:18,780 What it is doing is convincing some teenagers that they have a 2129 02:02:18,780 --> 02:02:21,480 mental illness when they don't. Yes, 2130 02:02:21,510 --> 02:02:26,190 Adam Curry: exactly. That's exactly what's happening. I'm 2131 02:02:26,190 --> 02:02:29,910 high function. I have high functional anxiety. Guess what 2132 02:02:29,910 --> 02:02:34,410 anxiety is a part of life. You don't need drugs for it. You 2133 02:02:34,410 --> 02:02:39,030 don't need stuff to regulate your anxiety. Then all of this 2134 02:02:39,030 --> 02:02:40,980 stuff, it's all it's professionals. jhanas 2135 02:02:40,980 --> 02:02:43,560 professionals. It's all part of the American Psychiatric 2136 02:02:43,590 --> 02:02:47,430 psychiatric association. Oh, no. If you feel like this sometimes 2137 02:02:47,430 --> 02:02:51,900 Oh, you probably need to take aerial. You're a boy. Sure, boy. 2138 02:02:52,140 --> 02:02:56,070 It always ends up with your boy. Yeah, take girl. Yeah, exactly. 2139 02:02:56,070 --> 02:03:02,490 So be careful. Be careful out there people. Ah, see, you've 2140 02:03:02,490 --> 02:03:08,160 been hiding it from me. And I wasn't prepared to play yeah. 2141 02:03:09,480 --> 02:03:10,950 What are you drinking today, John? 2142 02:03:12,120 --> 02:03:15,300 John C Dvorak: I'm drinking Lagunitas hoppy refresher. And 2143 02:03:15,300 --> 02:03:17,250 this is a berry lemon flavor. 2144 02:03:18,060 --> 02:03:18,480 Adam Curry: Oh, 2145 02:03:18,600 --> 02:03:22,260 John C Dvorak: what can I buy last? My last can of hoppy 2146 02:03:22,260 --> 02:03:23,220 refresher hoppy 2147 02:03:23,220 --> 02:03:24,690 Adam Curry: refresher, interesting. 2148 02:03:24,960 --> 02:03:28,650 John C Dvorak: Kind of a hint? Sounds good. Sounds kind of gave 2149 02:03:28,650 --> 02:03:29,550 me a case of it. 2150 02:03:31,110 --> 02:03:33,000 Adam Curry: You drank the whole case on the show? 2151 02:03:34,500 --> 02:03:38,190 John C Dvorak: No, I drink it every so often. It's tasty. It's 2152 02:03:38,190 --> 02:03:38,760 hoppy. 2153 02:03:40,830 --> 02:03:46,080 Adam Curry: Let's see. We probably let me see Oh, we 2154 02:03:46,080 --> 02:03:48,450 should probably talk about this for a second. Just because 2155 02:03:48,480 --> 02:03:49,230 you're the expert. 2156 02:03:49,260 --> 02:03:52,920 Unknown: American families are now spending about $227 more a 2157 02:03:52,920 --> 02:03:58,680 month compared to a year ago and about $1,037 more compared to 2158 02:03:58,680 --> 02:04:02,940 three years ago. Even with incomes rising costs going up 2159 02:04:02,970 --> 02:04:06,240 have met the credit card statements how much money you're 2160 02:04:06,240 --> 02:04:09,000 putting on that credit card is also rising. The number of 2161 02:04:09,000 --> 02:04:12,090 Americans now missing their credit card payments is 2162 02:04:12,090 --> 02:04:16,380 increasing with Gen Z, the most likely age group to max out 2163 02:04:16,380 --> 02:04:19,740 their credit cards. And the Fed has signaled that rates are 2164 02:04:19,740 --> 02:04:23,640 likely to go lower eventually but that eventually continues to 2165 02:04:23,640 --> 02:04:26,820 get pushed out with inflation higher and we're starting to see 2166 02:04:26,820 --> 02:04:30,360 it impact other areas like student loans student loan 2167 02:04:30,360 --> 02:04:34,890 interest rates now the highest in nearly two decades. Yeah, 2168 02:04:34,920 --> 02:04:39,660 Adam Curry: everything's great. The economy is good. Best Ever. 2169 02:04:40,350 --> 02:04:44,460 Biden omics is working everybody anomic so they expect that every 2170 02:04:44,460 --> 02:04:49,230 leg expected 3.5% inflation month over month 2171 02:04:50,670 --> 02:04:52,950 John C Dvorak: you know, this would I wish I didn't even have 2172 02:04:52,950 --> 02:04:56,610 a clip on this but I probably one of the clips may incorporate 2173 02:04:56,610 --> 02:05:00,840 this but NPR again, day taught talked about added like this is 2174 02:05:00,840 --> 02:05:04,710 great. The economy has never been in better shape is only 2175 02:05:04,710 --> 02:05:08,040 3.5%. month over month is way down 2176 02:05:08,040 --> 02:05:11,130 Adam Curry: month over month. It's it's compounded, is it not? 2177 02:05:11,490 --> 02:05:13,800 John C Dvorak: Yeah. Oh yeah. It's just it's just keeps us 2178 02:05:13,830 --> 02:05:17,940 it's it stacks on top of each other. So it was whatever it is. 2179 02:05:17,940 --> 02:05:19,230 It's more let's 2180 02:05:19,230 --> 02:05:21,480 Adam Curry: see how great the economy is. Let's see how fast 2181 02:05:21,480 --> 02:05:22,740 food is doing back now 2182 02:05:22,740 --> 02:05:25,500 Unknown: with Red Lobster moving closer to bankruptcy. The Wall 2183 02:05:25,500 --> 02:05:28,050 Street Journal reports the seafood chain could file for 2184 02:05:28,050 --> 02:05:31,440 Chapter 11. As soon as next week Red Lobster follows the sudden 2185 02:05:31,440 --> 02:05:34,350 closure of dozens of restaurants. Red Lobster has 2186 02:05:34,350 --> 02:05:37,530 been losing money for years. It's all you can eat shrimp to 2187 02:05:37,530 --> 02:05:41,370 contributed to an $11 million loss. I mean, 2188 02:05:41,430 --> 02:05:45,510 Adam Curry: shrimp. Shrimp is the bug of the sea. They can't 2189 02:05:45,510 --> 02:05:46,980 even make money on shrimp. 2190 02:05:47,070 --> 02:05:49,650 John C Dvorak: They weren't it was all you can eat shrimp. This 2191 02:05:49,650 --> 02:05:53,790 has been broke down. Because you got big fat Hey, I don't know 2192 02:05:53,790 --> 02:05:56,700 about you. But there's a Texas has got plenty of these guys. 2193 02:05:57,000 --> 02:06:00,630 But we had a lot of wet red lobsters out here big fat guys. 2194 02:06:01,320 --> 02:06:04,590 And they go into a place like this where it's all you can eat 2195 02:06:04,590 --> 02:06:09,060 shrimp for a fixed price and they eat it they eat the place 2196 02:06:09,060 --> 02:06:12,930 out. And then these guys are these guys managing red locks. 2197 02:06:12,930 --> 02:06:14,010 You're too dumb 2198 02:06:15,360 --> 02:06:18,480 Adam Curry: to realize motion to realize this is not working. 2199 02:06:19,020 --> 02:06:23,340 Well, there's another promotion because you know so with these 2200 02:06:23,340 --> 02:06:26,520 inflation numbers actually, it was kind of funny we see do I 2201 02:06:26,520 --> 02:06:32,430 have it in here? Let me see. Do I have the I thought I had the 2202 02:06:32,430 --> 02:06:36,180 inflation number oh, here's the inflation breakdown. It was kind 2203 02:06:36,180 --> 02:06:38,820 of interesting to see the how they bend of course these 2204 02:06:38,820 --> 02:06:45,510 numbers are bogus. So all items 3.4% increase in cost that is 2205 02:06:45,510 --> 02:06:50,850 what they call inflation. The largest inflation categories 2206 02:06:51,240 --> 02:06:59,220 were juices and drinks 29% increase video discs and other 2207 02:06:59,220 --> 02:07:05,130 media 29% increase video what video discs and other media 2208 02:07:05,130 --> 02:07:12,570 discs. They're measuring that but that's 29% motor vehicle 2209 02:07:12,570 --> 02:07:18,780 insurance. We got hit by this 22.6% We have as much chance of 2210 02:07:18,930 --> 02:07:22,860 something happening to our car is as farmer Jed. I mean we live 2211 02:07:22,860 --> 02:07:26,970 in the sticks is amazing how much our car insurance went up. 2212 02:07:27,540 --> 02:07:34,770 admissions to sporting events. You're getting gouged 15% food 2213 02:07:34,770 --> 02:07:41,190 at home though only 1.1% While food in general like fast food. 2214 02:07:41,370 --> 02:07:44,760 Now that's going up then so McDonald's groceries 2215 02:07:44,760 --> 02:07:47,310 John C Dvorak: have gone up pocket food at home only be 1% 2216 02:07:47,310 --> 02:07:50,490 because that comes that stems from groceries 1.1% It's 2217 02:07:50,520 --> 02:07:53,490 Adam Curry: it that's some that's a bogus no beef roasts. 2218 02:07:53,640 --> 02:07:57,240 10.1% is beef roast is not the same as food at home. 2219 02:07:57,900 --> 02:08:04,650 frankfurters. 7% fats and oils. Why are you eating that at all 2220 02:08:04,650 --> 02:08:11,970 people 5% Canned vegetables 4.8% tomatoes 4.7 Dried beans, peas 2221 02:08:11,970 --> 02:08:19,320 and lentils. Food away from home though. This up vending machines 2222 02:08:19,350 --> 02:08:26,490 7.3% and limited service meals and snacks 4.8 So that's I guess 2223 02:08:26,490 --> 02:08:29,160 your fast food they don't break it out by fast food. So 2224 02:08:29,160 --> 02:08:33,420 McDonald's is feeling the heat because they're gouging people. 2225 02:08:33,480 --> 02:08:36,420 Did you see that? There was a video that went viral of this 2226 02:08:36,420 --> 02:08:40,260 lady's like she opens up a Big Mac and it's thinner than the 2227 02:08:40,260 --> 02:08:44,250 pickle. The meat patty is thinner than the pickle. And 2228 02:08:44,250 --> 02:08:49,290 it's transparent there's holes in it. Yeah, it sounds like so 2229 02:08:49,320 --> 02:08:51,990 so there so that for one McDonald's 2230 02:08:51,990 --> 02:08:53,610 John C Dvorak: in Oakland I should get some clips because I 2231 02:08:53,610 --> 02:08:59,370 can get these clips that was rat infested. rat infested for over 2232 02:08:59,370 --> 02:09:01,110 a year they finally got it down we 2233 02:09:01,110 --> 02:09:04,620 Adam Curry: had clips of the rat infested we had clip your clips 2234 02:09:05,790 --> 02:09:10,920 you don't remember at the rats. So McDonald's is fighting back 2235 02:09:10,920 --> 02:09:13,320 with a one month limited value 2236 02:09:13,320 --> 02:09:16,650 Unknown: meal with fast food frustration frying customers. 2237 02:09:16,680 --> 02:09:19,260 Adam Curry: Whoa nice alliteration what happened to 2238 02:09:19,260 --> 02:09:20,190 the dollar menu 2239 02:09:20,220 --> 02:09:21,090 Unknown: bring that back 2240 02:09:21,180 --> 02:09:24,540 this morning. Some relief may be on the horizon of the Golden 2241 02:09:24,540 --> 02:09:29,310 Arches. McDonald's may soon roll out of $5 value meal nationwide 2242 02:09:29,400 --> 02:09:32,790 to people familiar tells CNBC the offer would include four 2243 02:09:32,790 --> 02:09:36,210 piece chicken mcnuggets a choice of a make chicken or make double 2244 02:09:36,240 --> 02:09:40,320 fries and a drink and the rumor hot off the press has consumers 2245 02:09:40,320 --> 02:09:42,210 loving it because that seems too good to be true. 2246 02:09:42,360 --> 02:09:46,260 I'm excited for if that's the case because everything 2247 02:09:47,400 --> 02:09:51,150 fast food giant would be just the latest offer a $5 meal deal 2248 02:09:51,240 --> 02:09:52,860 if all this with the JBC 2249 02:09:54,210 --> 02:09:57,480 igniting a battle in the burger Kingdom has more inflation. 2250 02:09:57,480 --> 02:10:01,140 Cautious consumers are fed up with rising Fast Food costs yeah 2251 02:10:01,170 --> 02:10:03,180 Adam Curry: nice native ads CNBC 2252 02:10:03,210 --> 02:10:06,330 John C Dvorak: was definitely a native ad but the worst part is 2253 02:10:06,660 --> 02:10:12,390 it seems as if from the least from the forums that the the 2254 02:10:12,390 --> 02:10:15,960 franchise owners of all these McDonald's do not want this no 2255 02:10:15,960 --> 02:10:17,370 Adam Curry: because they're gonna get soaked on it 2256 02:10:17,700 --> 02:10:19,440 John C Dvorak: you're gonna get soaked and it's gonna be like 2257 02:10:19,440 --> 02:10:23,850 the free or the all you can eat shrimp is just that there's no 2258 02:10:23,850 --> 02:10:26,010 money in it and so they're not happy. 2259 02:10:26,190 --> 02:10:28,800 Adam Curry: Now at this point, you're better off getting some 2260 02:10:28,800 --> 02:10:34,500 ground hamburger meat from your rancher? Yes, yes you are. It's 2261 02:10:34,530 --> 02:10:37,200 it's you paid the same if not less. And you can make a whole 2262 02:10:37,200 --> 02:10:37,530 bunch of 2263 02:10:37,830 --> 02:10:40,860 John C Dvorak: number of people out there that have ranchers you 2264 02:10:40,860 --> 02:10:45,300 can get it goat available to them. You probably 1% of the 2265 02:10:45,300 --> 02:10:46,380 audience available 2266 02:10:46,380 --> 02:10:50,940 Adam Curry: to everybody in America. There's a map and 2267 02:10:50,940 --> 02:10:54,690 there's one near you beef initiative.com There's one near 2268 02:10:54,690 --> 02:10:58,650 you you can get this this is this is the problem is people 2269 02:10:58,680 --> 02:11:01,950 think that they can't get it. I'm just trying to keep people 2270 02:11:01,950 --> 02:11:04,320 healthy. I don't want to do whatever you want. Feed your 2271 02:11:04,320 --> 02:11:05,430 kids that crap. 2272 02:11:07,110 --> 02:11:08,070 John C Dvorak: Kids crap. 2273 02:11:10,140 --> 02:11:14,040 Adam Curry: Adam and John. John says feed your kids crap raw 2274 02:11:14,040 --> 02:11:22,290 sewage. Let us since we're in the season of reveal here, let's 2275 02:11:22,320 --> 02:11:25,200 go to the corruption because they're all corrupt. All of 2276 02:11:25,200 --> 02:11:28,080 them. All of them are in some kind of deal one way or the 2277 02:11:28,080 --> 02:11:31,170 other. I love how Menendez has thrown his wife under the bus 2278 02:11:31,170 --> 02:11:31,920 though gold 2279 02:11:31,920 --> 02:11:35,700 Unknown: bars seized by the FBI will be put on full display in 2280 02:11:35,700 --> 02:11:38,970 the federal corruption trial against Senator Bob Menendez. 2281 02:11:39,150 --> 02:11:41,970 This is what prosecutors told jurors Wednesday afternoon 2282 02:11:42,180 --> 02:11:45,720 during opening arguments or what they described as a roadmap to 2283 02:11:45,720 --> 02:11:49,200 their case. Assistant US Attorney Laura Pomerance said, 2284 02:11:49,470 --> 02:11:53,010 this is a case about a public official who put greed first who 2285 02:11:53,010 --> 02:11:58,230 put his power up for sale. What was his price gold. She told the 2286 02:11:58,230 --> 02:12:02,400 court the bribery scheme started in 2018 with Egyptian native why 2287 02:12:02,400 --> 02:12:06,090 Ohana and the Senator's wife Nadine Menendez that you had 2288 02:12:06,090 --> 02:12:09,510 been friends for years, and then Hana saw an opportunity as a 2289 02:12:09,510 --> 02:12:13,140 failed businessman. Pomeranz told jurors that Menendez 2290 02:12:13,140 --> 02:12:16,500 promised to do things to benefit Hana and the Government of 2291 02:12:16,500 --> 02:12:20,400 Egypt, which set in motion a web to make good on the bribery 2292 02:12:20,400 --> 02:12:23,580 payments with the help of Haanas business partner, New Jersey 2293 02:12:23,580 --> 02:12:26,910 real estate developer Fred Davies, but defense attorney for 2294 02:12:26,910 --> 02:12:30,600 Menendez, Avi Weitzman, told jurors, he was never and is not 2295 02:12:30,600 --> 02:12:33,510 a foreign agent of the government and he did not 2296 02:12:33,510 --> 02:12:37,560 violate the law period. Bob was doing his job and he was doing 2297 02:12:37,560 --> 02:12:41,370 it right. He says the gold bars have been in his wife's Lebanese 2298 02:12:41,370 --> 02:12:45,630 family for years and were listed on a 2022 financial disclosure 2299 02:12:45,630 --> 02:12:49,200 form. Weitzman told the court, they want you to be blinded by 2300 02:12:49,200 --> 02:12:52,650 the golden cash and that the government's case rests on 2301 02:12:52,650 --> 02:12:56,220 little more than guesswork and speculation. Thursday morning 2302 02:12:56,220 --> 02:12:58,830 defense attorneys for awhile, Hana and Fred Davies will 2303 02:12:58,830 --> 02:13:00,690 present their opening arguments. I 2304 02:13:00,690 --> 02:13:02,820 Adam Curry: don't believe it for a second. It's the woman it's 2305 02:13:02,820 --> 02:13:04,530 the wife. Yeah, but 2306 02:13:04,530 --> 02:13:07,800 John C Dvorak: listen to this. If it's been if the gold bars 2307 02:13:07,800 --> 02:13:12,300 have been in the Lebanese wife's family for years, I can just 2308 02:13:12,300 --> 02:13:15,540 showed up on a on a statement. 2022 Yeah, 2309 02:13:15,570 --> 02:13:17,730 Adam Curry: because she stole it from the family. I don't know 2310 02:13:17,760 --> 02:13:22,650 this ally. Gold is fungible. That one got one gold bar for 2311 02:13:22,650 --> 02:13:25,140 the other. Was it that one? Was it this one? I don't know. 2312 02:13:25,770 --> 02:13:28,230 Actually, I think they're probably stamped, aren't they? 2313 02:13:28,260 --> 02:13:31,290 Um, they have a number the gold bars tend to be they tend to be 2314 02:13:31,560 --> 02:13:34,560 but all of these politicians I think the minute you get elected 2315 02:13:34,560 --> 02:13:39,750 you're in it's like hey, hey, look at this picture. In your 2316 02:13:39,750 --> 02:13:43,800 mind now son, yeah, and this guy this guy's what it was Menendez 2317 02:13:43,800 --> 02:13:46,350 his wife she's the one that was getting all the favors done. 2318 02:13:46,350 --> 02:13:49,590 He's like yes, yes on the I know. The in some other reports 2319 02:13:49,590 --> 02:13:52,470 like it was it wasn't a locked closet. I don't have the key to 2320 02:13:52,470 --> 02:13:55,770 her closet. What kind of marriage do you have? 2321 02:13:56,430 --> 02:13:59,220 John C Dvorak: Rarely that's not a crock that's not 2322 02:13:59,220 --> 02:14:00,360 Adam Curry: suspicious. 2323 02:14:02,370 --> 02:14:04,890 John C Dvorak: And you know my wife's got a lot clauses you 2324 02:14:04,890 --> 02:14:07,800 won't let me look in there. Like you ever tried to go in there 2325 02:14:07,800 --> 02:14:10,440 when she's not at home and check it out and see what she's 2326 02:14:10,440 --> 02:14:12,030 hiding. No. 2327 02:14:15,900 --> 02:14:19,770 Adam Curry: So it was a horrible assassination attempt on the 2328 02:14:19,830 --> 02:14:24,510 Slovak Slovakia I have a crime minister. Oh, I have an update. 2329 02:14:24,810 --> 02:14:26,310 The came in this morning. 2330 02:14:27,150 --> 02:14:29,580 John C Dvorak: Oh a play my clip then your update. Okay, hold 2331 02:14:29,580 --> 02:14:33,570 Adam Curry: on a second. Where is your clip? Here we go. Here's 2332 02:14:33,570 --> 02:14:33,990 your clip, 2333 02:14:34,020 --> 02:14:37,080 Unknown: Slovakia's populist Prime Minister Robert feet so is 2334 02:14:37,080 --> 02:14:41,100 fighting for his life. He was severely wounded after being 2335 02:14:41,100 --> 02:14:44,490 gunned down following a political event this afternoon. 2336 02:14:44,610 --> 02:14:46,260 Here's more. The 59 2337 02:14:46,260 --> 02:14:50,400 year old was hit in the stomach after four shots were fired. The 2338 02:14:50,400 --> 02:14:54,060 shooting happened outside the House of Culture in the town of 2339 02:14:54,060 --> 02:14:58,020 Hannover where he was meeting with supporters. Police have a 2340 02:14:58,020 --> 02:15:01,800 suspect in custody. This Shooting in Slovakia comes three 2341 02:15:01,800 --> 02:15:05,670 weeks ahead of crucial European Parliament elections, in which 2342 02:15:05,670 --> 02:15:10,140 populist and hard right parties in the 27 nation bloc appear 2343 02:15:10,140 --> 02:15:15,060 poised to make gains. feet so a third time Premier is staging a 2344 02:15:15,060 --> 02:15:19,020 political comeback. After campaigning on a pro Russian and 2345 02:15:19,020 --> 02:15:22,800 anti American message. Critics are worried the country in 2346 02:15:22,800 --> 02:15:26,580 defeats those leadership would abandon Slovakia is pro Western 2347 02:15:26,580 --> 02:15:30,480 course and follow the direction of Hungary under populist Prime 2348 02:15:30,480 --> 02:15:36,030 Minister Viktor Orban. 1000s have repeatedly rallied in the 2349 02:15:36,030 --> 02:15:40,590 capital and across Slovakia to protest feeds those policies. 2350 02:15:40,860 --> 02:15:44,010 condemnations of political violence quickly came from 2351 02:15:44,010 --> 02:15:47,640 leaders across Europe, although no motive for the attack was 2352 02:15:47,640 --> 02:15:49,590 immediately apparent. Yeah. 2353 02:15:49,620 --> 02:15:53,850 Adam Curry: Okay, so first of all shades of pin for town. This 2354 02:15:53,850 --> 02:15:58,080 is exactly what happened with him for town. 22 years ago, he 2355 02:15:58,080 --> 02:16:02,280 was about to go into elections. They have some, some gray beard, 2356 02:16:02,280 --> 02:16:05,970 go out and shoot him kill him. Because, you know, he might 2357 02:16:06,000 --> 02:16:11,670 upset the applecart and clearly the Slovakian Pm is not in on 2358 02:16:11,670 --> 02:16:15,720 the whole, you know, the whole European Union kumbaya thing, 2359 02:16:15,900 --> 02:16:21,300 and whoa, oh, it was much more like Viktor Orban. Oh no. And 2360 02:16:21,300 --> 02:16:23,400 then so that just just killing 2361 02:16:24,720 --> 02:16:27,900 John C Dvorak: was straw man, Viktor Orban. Yeah, 2362 02:16:27,930 --> 02:16:30,210 Adam Curry: what they're just they're killing people. Now over 2363 02:16:30,210 --> 02:16:33,000 this is a political assassination attempt. Here's 2364 02:16:33,000 --> 02:16:34,050 the update from this morning, 2365 02:16:34,079 --> 02:16:37,799 Unknown: Wednesday afternoon. This helicopter rushed Slovakian 2366 02:16:37,799 --> 02:16:41,579 Prime Minister Robert feets out to the hospital. We spend hours 2367 02:16:41,579 --> 02:16:45,779 in intensive surgeries. late in the night, one of Slovakia's 2368 02:16:45,779 --> 02:16:48,779 deputy prime ministers announced that the operations were 2369 02:16:48,779 --> 02:16:52,109 successful in that pizza was no longer in a life threatening 2370 02:16:52,109 --> 02:16:56,459 situation. Meanwhile, another deputy prime minister held a 2371 02:16:56,459 --> 02:17:00,089 press conference denouncing the political nature of the attack. 2372 02:17:00,779 --> 02:17:04,889 The issue was the political assault feed so was shot in the 2373 02:17:04,889 --> 02:17:09,119 abdomen as he greeted a crowd of supporters. Limited Slater 2374 02:17:09,179 --> 02:17:11,759 footage showed police handcuffing a gray haired 2375 02:17:11,759 --> 02:17:16,319 suspect on the ground. Local media have identified the gunman 2376 02:17:16,439 --> 02:17:19,679 as a 71 year old writer and peace activist and 2377 02:17:19,679 --> 02:17:22,619 identification that has been confirmed by the Slovakian 2378 02:17:22,619 --> 02:17:26,309 interior ministers but not officially released by police. 2379 02:17:26,999 --> 02:17:29,609 Several of his political statements can be found on 2380 02:17:29,609 --> 02:17:32,879 social media, in which he variously called out hatred and 2381 02:17:32,879 --> 02:17:37,049 extremism, advocated for non violence and supported a pro 2382 02:17:37,049 --> 02:17:40,709 Russian paramilitary group paramilitary Prime Minister feet 2383 02:17:40,709 --> 02:17:44,159 so when a third term in September after campaigning on a 2384 02:17:44,159 --> 02:17:49,169 pro Russian and anti American platform. After his electoral 2385 02:17:49,169 --> 02:17:52,229 victory, his government immediately halted arms 2386 02:17:52,229 --> 02:17:55,829 deliveries to Ukraine. Oh no critics have worried the 2387 02:17:55,829 --> 02:17:58,979 undefeated so Slovakia would abandon the country's pro 2388 02:17:58,979 --> 02:18:02,489 Western course and follow the direction of Hungary under 2389 02:18:02,489 --> 02:18:05,069 populous Prime Minister, Viktor Orban. 2390 02:18:05,310 --> 02:18:10,080 Adam Curry: There you go, there you go. But you're not on board. 2391 02:18:10,290 --> 02:18:12,600 And so now they're just killing each other. 2392 02:18:13,200 --> 02:18:16,830 John C Dvorak: I can't appease activist peace a peace Nick 2393 02:18:16,830 --> 02:18:21,210 activist and Jake a non violent hate or violence shoot somebody? 2394 02:18:21,450 --> 02:18:21,900 Yeah, 2395 02:18:21,960 --> 02:18:22,350 Adam Curry: yeah. 2396 02:18:22,380 --> 02:18:23,760 John C Dvorak: Oh, irony there. 2397 02:18:23,849 --> 02:18:27,479 Adam Curry: Oh, because we have to go kill people. kill people 2398 02:18:27,479 --> 02:18:30,539 kill people. All right. Now let's talk about the real 2399 02:18:30,539 --> 02:18:35,369 killing that's going on the real killing. Because we're out of 2400 02:18:35,369 --> 02:18:39,599 Ukrainian men. They're all dead. We need more urgently needs 2401 02:18:39,629 --> 02:18:42,899 Unknown: new soldiers and is increasing pressure on men to 2402 02:18:42,899 --> 02:18:46,859 sign up. The government recently passed a new mobilization law 2403 02:18:46,949 --> 02:18:50,099 from this, which from this weekend means that Ukrainian men 2404 02:18:50,099 --> 02:18:54,029 will have two months to register for potential conscription. If 2405 02:18:54,029 --> 02:18:56,009 they don't sign up. They'll be punished 2406 02:18:56,219 --> 02:18:59,189 Adam Curry: you either get punished or you die. This is 2407 02:18:59,219 --> 02:19:07,709 insane. They are the Ukraine girls. They this amazing what 2408 02:19:07,709 --> 02:19:10,499 they're doing and when she's like oh is just Ukrainian men 2409 02:19:10,499 --> 02:19:13,139 who gives a crap wound care. Rafa 2410 02:19:13,889 --> 02:19:16,259 John C Dvorak: is gonna take he's gonna completely alter the 2411 02:19:16,259 --> 02:19:17,039 gene pool. 2412 02:19:17,639 --> 02:19:22,379 Adam Curry: Yes, and they already have cankles let's be 2413 02:19:22,379 --> 02:19:26,279 honest. So what do we do? Well, we're gonna help we're gonna 2414 02:19:26,279 --> 02:19:29,339 help we're gonna help we're coming to your aid dudes. And 2415 02:19:29,339 --> 02:19:32,789 Unknown: update now the US is giving Ukraine another massive 2416 02:19:32,789 --> 02:19:36,449 round of support as Ukrainian forces battle against the new 2417 02:19:36,449 --> 02:19:39,419 Russian military offensive US Secretary of State Antony 2418 02:19:39,419 --> 02:19:43,829 Blinken announcing in Kyiv. Today a $2 billion arms deal. 2419 02:19:44,159 --> 02:19:47,609 Most of the money will come from a package approved last month. 2420 02:19:47,969 --> 02:19:50,999 The funding will provide weapons in the short term invest in 2421 02:19:50,999 --> 02:19:55,169 Ukraine's defense industrial base as well and allow Ukraine 2422 02:19:55,169 --> 02:19:58,799 to buy military supplies from other countries. Ukrainian 2423 02:19:58,799 --> 02:20:02,039 troops withdrew from Some parts of their country while fighting 2424 02:20:02,039 --> 02:20:05,669 Russian soldiers in other areas today, Ukraine's president has 2425 02:20:05,669 --> 02:20:08,339 postponed all upcoming foreign trips. 2426 02:20:08,370 --> 02:20:11,160 Adam Curry: So it's the 2 billion of the 60 billion which 2427 02:20:11,160 --> 02:20:14,340 they did not get no big Publishers Clearing House check 2428 02:20:14,340 --> 02:20:17,130 to Ukraine. No, here's 2 billion that we're not sending you a 2429 02:20:17,130 --> 02:20:19,980 check. You can spend, what would you like to spend? It's like the 2430 02:20:19,980 --> 02:20:23,940 Supermarket Sweep. Okay, you got 2 billion you got 30 seconds. 2431 02:20:23,940 --> 02:20:27,270 What do you want to buy? You want to attack items? No, no, 2432 02:20:27,270 --> 02:20:29,790 you're not getting attack items, which is whatever. Remember that 2433 02:20:29,790 --> 02:20:33,480 was always to get them attack items that were just fell out of 2434 02:20:33,480 --> 02:20:36,180 vogue because they're not going to give it to them. They don't 2435 02:20:36,180 --> 02:20:39,960 they're not sincere about this. If they use attack ohms then 2436 02:20:40,080 --> 02:20:44,190 they would attack they would blow up Moscow. We can't have 2437 02:20:44,190 --> 02:20:47,580 that that would not prolong everything so instead, send 2438 02:20:47,580 --> 02:20:49,080 Blinken tonight 2439 02:20:49,080 --> 02:20:51,960 Unknown: the Russians advancing from Ukraine's northeast border. 2440 02:20:52,740 --> 02:20:56,010 A desperate race to evacuate 1000s of Ukrainians on the 2441 02:20:56,010 --> 02:20:59,910 outskirts of hotkey says they are shooting from everywhere. 2442 02:20:59,910 --> 02:21:02,790 Yesterday there was a hit in the front of our house burned down. 2443 02:21:03,510 --> 02:21:06,330 Ukraine forced to retreat in recent months waiting for 2444 02:21:06,330 --> 02:21:09,990 Congress to approve weapons. Now try to hold the line and 2445 02:21:09,990 --> 02:21:13,530 villages north of arkiv Secretary of State Lincoln 2446 02:21:13,530 --> 02:21:17,430 arriving and Keith today, even taking time to jump on stage 2447 02:21:17,430 --> 02:21:22,890 with a local band. Playing rockin in the free world 2448 02:21:23,340 --> 02:21:26,460 presents Alinsky expressing gratitude but saying his country 2449 02:21:26,460 --> 02:21:29,280 still needs air defense against the Russian barrage. 2450 02:21:29,700 --> 02:21:32,640 Specifically Patriot missile batteries scattered 2451 02:21:32,639 --> 02:21:36,209 defense the biggest deficits for us for our coverage 2452 02:21:36,359 --> 02:21:40,619 because they are under attack Secretary Blinken saying the 2453 02:21:40,619 --> 02:21:42,659 assistance is on its way some has 2454 02:21:42,660 --> 02:21:45,690 already arrived. But more that will be arriving. And that's 2455 02:21:45,690 --> 02:21:47,100 going to make a real difference. But 2456 02:21:47,100 --> 02:21:50,070 the US says it doesn't have enough Patriot missile launches 2457 02:21:50,070 --> 02:21:53,310 and is working with other countries to send theirs. While 2458 02:21:53,310 --> 02:21:56,460 Russia is getting critical support from Iran, North Korea 2459 02:21:56,460 --> 02:21:57,660 and China Putin is 2460 02:21:57,659 --> 02:22:01,289 ramping up yet another offensive against Ukraine in our Kyiv and 2461 02:22:01,289 --> 02:22:05,549 across the east, sending wave after wave of Russian soldiers, 2462 02:22:06,119 --> 02:22:10,739 Iranian drones, North Korean artillery oh and tanks. 2463 02:22:11,039 --> 02:22:13,889 And this week President Putin and riding the wave of recent 2464 02:22:13,889 --> 02:22:17,579 advances in Ukraine will meet with President Xi in Beijing and 2465 02:22:17,579 --> 02:22:18,839 we'll discuss the war. 2466 02:22:19,020 --> 02:22:22,500 Adam Curry: Okay, so they send Blinken over to say don't worry, 2467 02:22:22,530 --> 02:22:26,280 you can spend that 2 billion on some Patriot missiles from other 2468 02:22:26,280 --> 02:22:29,160 European countries. That's fine. We're not going to give you 2469 02:22:29,160 --> 02:22:33,480 attack items. Enza Lenski got the script playing along nicely. 2470 02:22:33,750 --> 02:22:37,620 And just to relieve some tension. I guess Blinken travels 2471 02:22:37,620 --> 02:22:40,710 with his guitar because it's a custom. It's a left handed 2472 02:22:40,710 --> 02:22:47,730 guitar bread. And I actually I sewed him playing and singing. 2473 02:22:48,900 --> 02:22:52,500 And it's atrocious and embarrassing. Okay. 2474 02:22:53,489 --> 02:22:56,159 John C Dvorak: Throw something in here. So this band is 2475 02:22:56,159 --> 02:22:59,999 notorious for playing living in the free world. And they made 2476 02:22:59,999 --> 02:23:03,149 the announcement that hey, we're gonna have a special 2477 02:23:03,690 --> 02:23:06,090 Adam Curry: special guest and was like Neil Young's coming 2478 02:23:06,090 --> 02:23:07,200 Bruce and everybody 2479 02:23:07,200 --> 02:23:10,620 John C Dvorak: believed Neil Young was going to come because 2480 02:23:10,620 --> 02:23:14,400 of the song and so they packed the place. And here's our 2481 02:23:14,400 --> 02:23:19,320 special guest Anthony blink and wearing yeah, here we go. I was 2482 02:23:19,320 --> 02:23:22,290 just gonna say when you're over 50 Don't wear jeans please. 2483 02:23:22,560 --> 02:23:25,560 Unknown: They're fighting not just for Ukraine but for the 2484 02:23:25,560 --> 02:23:30,180 free world. And the free world is with you too. So maybe we can 2485 02:23:30,180 --> 02:23:30,750 try something 2486 02:23:37,049 --> 02:23:38,879 Adam Curry: hey Blinken autotune 2487 02:23:46,469 --> 02:23:49,979 this is this is the height of embarrassment is 2488 02:23:49,979 --> 02:23:51,089 John C Dvorak: very bad. 2489 02:23:52,500 --> 02:24:00,360 Adam Curry: Ms. Elissa Oh solo rip and rip and maybe he didn't 2490 02:24:00,360 --> 02:24:05,040 even play this. Oh, this is an embarrassment. He should be 2491 02:24:05,610 --> 02:24:10,020 fired by doing this fired. I mean, this is worse than Hillary 2492 02:24:10,020 --> 02:24:12,960 Clinton dancing with the with her team. Remember that? 2493 02:24:13,439 --> 02:24:14,669 John C Dvorak: Oh my god. 2494 02:24:15,330 --> 02:24:19,560 Adam Curry: So I did want to play this short ABC report about 2495 02:24:19,560 --> 02:24:23,880 the intensifying attacks because it is not pop heaven. 2496 02:24:25,080 --> 02:24:28,230 Unknown: Tonight, the Russian onslaught in the Northeast 2497 02:24:28,230 --> 02:24:31,710 forcing Ukrainian troops to retreat and civilians to flee 2498 02:24:34,050 --> 02:24:39,330 Oberoi. You can hear gun battles raging as this police official 2499 02:24:39,330 --> 02:24:42,300 in the border town of VAVA Schanz describes the situation 2500 02:24:42,300 --> 02:24:47,730 as extremely difficult. Ukraine is fighting back. But Russian 2501 02:24:47,730 --> 02:24:51,120 forces are pressing ahead. Repeatedly shelling the 2502 02:24:51,120 --> 02:24:54,660 country's second largest city Kharkiv just a few dozen miles 2503 02:24:54,660 --> 02:24:57,900 away developments in the northeast and along other parts 2504 02:24:57,900 --> 02:25:01,080 of the 600 mile front so concerning President Zelensky 2505 02:25:01,350 --> 02:25:04,440 that he's postponed all upcoming foreign trips to monitor the 2506 02:25:04,440 --> 02:25:07,470 fighting. It comes as Secretary Blinken announced another $2 2507 02:25:07,470 --> 02:25:11,130 billion in aid during his visit, most of it coming from the $60 2508 02:25:11,130 --> 02:25:14,370 billion already approved by Congress last month. We're 2509 02:25:14,370 --> 02:25:14,730 rushing 2510 02:25:14,730 --> 02:25:19,020 ammunition, armored vehicles, missiles, air defenses, rushing 2511 02:25:19,020 --> 02:25:20,400 them to get to the front lines. 2512 02:25:21,690 --> 02:25:24,060 And David, President Solinsky may have had to cancel his 2513 02:25:24,090 --> 02:25:27,300 upcoming foreign trip because of the seriousness of the situation 2514 02:25:27,300 --> 02:25:31,230 in Kharkiv. But Vladimir Putin has tonight arrived in China 2515 02:25:31,260 --> 02:25:34,740 shoring up support for the war, which does seem increasingly to 2516 02:25:34,740 --> 02:25:35,640 be going his way. 2517 02:25:36,209 --> 02:25:40,349 Adam Curry: They mean, can you make it any more clear? NAT POP 2518 02:25:40,349 --> 02:25:44,759 NAT POP Nat pop, boom, three, two words, another explosion. 2519 02:25:45,600 --> 02:25:47,280 John C Dvorak: I don't have a link to the show notes. But I 2520 02:25:47,280 --> 02:25:49,800 want to recommend something to people, which is a new 2521 02:25:49,800 --> 02:25:54,660 development in these wars they talk about they talk about dry 2522 02:25:54,660 --> 02:25:57,240 Iranian drones in this and that's not what's going on 2523 02:25:57,240 --> 02:26:00,900 what's really going on now is that the Russians have 2524 02:26:00,900 --> 02:26:08,940 retrofitted their supply of half ton, one ton, 2000 pound and 2525 02:26:08,940 --> 02:26:12,690 3000 pound bombs that they've accumulated. And there's an 2526 02:26:12,690 --> 02:26:18,120 estimated one, but you can look this up on glide bombs, no, and 2527 02:26:18,120 --> 02:26:21,150 try to find the Daily Mail report. So they've modified 2528 02:26:21,150 --> 02:26:24,870 these bombs, and they take an SU 34. And they take it up to about 2529 02:26:24,870 --> 02:26:27,510 56,000 feet, which are the things that I had to do to get 2530 02:26:27,510 --> 02:26:32,520 to 40 miles away, before even crossing the Ukrainian border 2531 02:26:32,520 --> 02:26:35,910 and launching these things. And they've got wings and a little 2532 02:26:36,270 --> 02:26:43,830 GPS device on him. And they glide 40 Miles like do not 2533 02:26:43,830 --> 02:26:47,250 propelled they just glide and then hit these targets these 2534 02:26:47,280 --> 02:26:53,310 these targets accurately. Supposedly. It's an amazing 2535 02:26:53,340 --> 02:26:57,030 technology. And it turns out if you listen to the reports, that 2536 02:26:57,030 --> 02:26:59,580 the Russian you know, you talk about all the North Koreans and 2537 02:26:59,580 --> 02:27:02,760 this all these people supplying the Russians, they have 1 2538 02:27:02,760 --> 02:27:08,220 million of these bombs that they've asked us the 61 million 2539 02:27:08,250 --> 02:27:11,520 Wow, they're gonna launch it they put the wings on every one 2540 02:27:11,520 --> 02:27:14,190 of them and off they go. There's like retrofitted. They're just 2541 02:27:14,190 --> 02:27:19,650 as fascinating story about glide bombs, but look at I would 2542 02:27:19,650 --> 02:27:20,070 recommend 2543 02:27:20,429 --> 02:27:23,699 Adam Curry: I have it in the show notes is dynamite. It is 2544 02:27:23,699 --> 02:27:27,329 and but the thing is, they're not sincere about any of this 2545 02:27:27,329 --> 02:27:30,329 because the attackers have not and remember this was at the 2546 02:27:30,329 --> 02:27:33,689 discretion of the president. The Press, they're approved. They're 2547 02:27:33,689 --> 02:27:37,169 good to go. We can send them over. But no, you're not going 2548 02:27:37,169 --> 02:27:40,799 to get it because it's a farce. This war is a farce. And there's 2549 02:27:40,799 --> 02:27:46,949 hundreds of 1000s of Ukrainian men dead because of it dead and 2550 02:27:46,949 --> 02:27:53,249 no outrage, no outrage, zero. No one cares. There's also no video 2551 02:27:53,279 --> 02:27:59,609 No, not pops, no, no body parts thrown about, unlike in Gaza. 2552 02:28:00,569 --> 02:28:03,989 Now, I want to transition us carefully over to this story 2553 02:28:04,350 --> 02:28:07,320 John C Dvorak: by kind of a background of Gaza clip. 2554 02:28:07,349 --> 02:28:09,599 Adam Curry: What can I can I transition us into it with a 2555 02:28:09,599 --> 02:28:13,709 protest clip? Sure, because this before 2556 02:28:13,710 --> 02:28:15,150 John C Dvorak: you play that don't want to say something? 2557 02:28:15,150 --> 02:28:18,630 Yeah, say so. I have to say whoever's really behind this 2558 02:28:18,630 --> 02:28:21,930 Gaza thing. The protesters in the United States at every 2559 02:28:21,930 --> 02:28:25,470 university in every college and every on bridges and toll plazas 2560 02:28:25,470 --> 02:28:30,690 and every place in between these people are extremely talented at 2561 02:28:30,690 --> 02:28:36,000 organizing. I mean, I've never seen anything. So well done in 2562 02:28:36,000 --> 02:28:39,810 my entire life. And I've seen lots of protests, but this is 2563 02:28:39,900 --> 02:28:41,610 unbelievably good. 2564 02:28:41,790 --> 02:28:45,660 Adam Curry: Yeah, it's this it's well organized, well funded. And 2565 02:28:45,660 --> 02:28:48,780 it's dynamite. And well, there's a lot of hate about Israel. 2566 02:28:49,830 --> 02:28:53,160 There's a lot of people who hate Israel. They hate the Zinus 2567 02:28:53,730 --> 02:28:58,800 those damn Zionist, yes. So so the Sky News lady, you know, the 2568 02:28:58,800 --> 02:29:03,930 one who's always making fun of stuff. So she made fun of Greta 2569 02:29:04,020 --> 02:29:09,210 Greta, credit to marry at the Eurovision Song Contest. Yeah, 2570 02:29:09,240 --> 02:29:12,090 and it was just so good. She used several adjectives that I 2571 02:29:12,090 --> 02:29:15,900 just wanted to play one minute of her her rant about Greta, 2572 02:29:16,109 --> 02:29:19,469 Unknown: one line performer representing Israel was 2573 02:29:19,469 --> 02:29:23,699 mercilessly bullied by the crowd who booed her by fellow 2574 02:29:23,699 --> 02:29:28,469 contestants and even commie troll Greta Thunberg. To 2575 02:29:28,470 --> 02:29:32,610 show that we think it is outrageous and inexcusable for 2576 02:29:32,610 --> 02:29:35,580 Univision to let Israel participate while committing a 2577 02:29:35,580 --> 02:29:40,050 genocide. Yes, it's a song contest where where Israel, a 2578 02:29:40,050 --> 02:29:42,510 country that is currently committing a genocide in Gaza 2579 02:29:42,540 --> 02:29:47,130 are allowed to compete. Yeah, that is a very clear example 2580 02:29:47,130 --> 02:29:50,370 that does say that when a country accepts in the way that 2581 02:29:50,940 --> 02:29:55,260 when a country behaves in a way that is unacceptable, then 2582 02:29:55,740 --> 02:29:58,110 Eurovision excuse them, so why not Israel? 2583 02:29:58,890 --> 02:30:01,980 She really is a miss Have a little Doom goblin isn't she and 2584 02:30:01,980 --> 02:30:03,930 how wonderful to see her. 2585 02:30:04,380 --> 02:30:08,040 Adam Curry: I just love kami troll and miserable little Doom 2586 02:30:08,040 --> 02:30:10,380 goblin. I like that Doom 2587 02:30:10,380 --> 02:30:10,950 Unknown: goblin. 2588 02:30:10,980 --> 02:30:17,310 Adam Curry: And and and I think you can pay her to show up. I 2589 02:30:17,310 --> 02:30:21,810 think you can pay her. She I think she's paid. Yeah. Why 2590 02:30:21,810 --> 02:30:24,720 wouldn't she be these, as you pointed out these these protests 2591 02:30:24,720 --> 02:30:27,150 are well organized, they're well funded. I think you can buy 2592 02:30:27,150 --> 02:30:30,510 Greta Greta Thun berry to come and protest for you. And in 2593 02:30:30,510 --> 02:30:33,600 fact, I'd like to pay her I'd like to make an offer to protest 2594 02:30:33,600 --> 02:30:39,120 the podcast industrial complex protest Spotify, I think we can 2595 02:30:39,120 --> 02:30:46,050 get her to impair. Anyway, it is clear that what Israel is doing 2596 02:30:46,080 --> 02:30:49,860 is way beyond anything they should be doing. I think at this 2597 02:30:49,860 --> 02:30:53,640 point, even this show has to agree it's gone a bit far. 2598 02:30:56,520 --> 02:30:58,500 John C Dvorak: This Well, since I don't believe any of this 2599 02:30:58,650 --> 02:31:00,060 things anyone's telling us? 2600 02:31:00,089 --> 02:31:01,529 Adam Curry: We don't I can't believe that 2601 02:31:01,560 --> 02:31:04,020 John C Dvorak: we don't really even know. We don't know 2602 02:31:04,020 --> 02:31:07,980 anything because they lie. They lie. The information from both 2603 02:31:07,980 --> 02:31:11,850 sides of this is a lie. Do you have an update so we can just 2604 02:31:11,850 --> 02:31:13,710 have an update. Gaza update 2605 02:31:13,709 --> 02:31:16,229 Unknown: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu continues to 2606 02:31:16,229 --> 02:31:19,889 push back against criticism Israel is not prepared for a 2607 02:31:19,889 --> 02:31:23,699 post war reality in Gaza. Netanyahu basically saying it's 2608 02:31:23,699 --> 02:31:26,729 impossible to know what's next until the million chin group 2609 02:31:26,729 --> 02:31:30,659 Hamas is defeated. US has been increasingly critical of Israel, 2610 02:31:30,749 --> 02:31:33,599 citing a large number of civilian casualties as it ramps 2611 02:31:33,599 --> 02:31:36,389 up, it's fighting there. And Biden administration is moving 2612 02:31:36,389 --> 02:31:39,179 ahead with a $1 billion arms package for Israel even as the 2613 02:31:39,179 --> 02:31:42,659 administration recently halted a planned shipment of 2000 pound 2614 02:31:42,659 --> 02:31:43,679 bombs. I 2615 02:31:43,680 --> 02:31:48,180 Adam Curry: have a clip that comes from I think this is TRT 2616 02:31:48,180 --> 02:31:51,960 Turkish radio and television that I have not heard any of 2617 02:31:51,960 --> 02:31:57,120 this information in the United States. And it is the rather 2618 02:31:57,150 --> 02:32:00,900 interesting amount of State Department and Defense 2619 02:32:00,900 --> 02:32:04,470 Department people who are resigning their jobs over this. 2620 02:32:04,470 --> 02:32:06,630 Have you heard anything about this? i 2621 02:32:06,630 --> 02:32:09,600 John C Dvorak: Yes, I have. Well, every so often, it's 2622 02:32:09,600 --> 02:32:12,120 mentioned in one of these back and forth interviews about these 2623 02:32:12,120 --> 02:32:14,310 guys quitting people are quitting the State Department 2624 02:32:14,310 --> 02:32:15,090 left and right. 2625 02:32:15,240 --> 02:32:16,260 Adam Curry: Well, here we go. 2626 02:32:16,709 --> 02:32:19,559 Unknown: On Monday, US Army intelligence officer Major 2627 02:32:19,559 --> 02:32:22,769 Harrison man publicly resigned from the Defense Intelligence 2628 02:32:22,769 --> 02:32:26,609 Agency by posting a letter on his LinkedIn profile. The 2629 02:32:26,610 --> 02:32:30,210 policy that's never been far from my mind for the past six 2630 02:32:30,210 --> 02:32:34,740 months is the nearly unqualified support for the Government of 2631 02:32:34,740 --> 02:32:39,390 Israel, which has enabled and empowered the killing and 2632 02:32:39,390 --> 02:32:44,340 starvation of 10s of 1000s of innocent Palestinians. 2633 02:32:46,469 --> 02:32:49,559 A US State Department report released Friday found that 2634 02:32:49,559 --> 02:32:53,579 weapons provided by America to Israeli security forces since 2635 02:32:53,579 --> 02:32:57,179 October 7, were used in violation of international 2636 02:32:57,179 --> 02:32:58,529 humanitarian law. 2637 02:32:58,979 --> 02:33:01,769 What we've seen at the same time is those arguments being used to 2638 02:33:01,769 --> 02:33:06,749 kill at this point over 34,000 people in Gaza from over 14,000 2639 02:33:06,779 --> 02:33:10,799 Children, in many cases, striking targets in which there 2640 02:33:10,799 --> 02:33:14,459 was no identified military objective. We have seen rules of 2641 02:33:14,459 --> 02:33:18,779 engagement on the part of Israel that seem contrary to you know, 2642 02:33:18,779 --> 02:33:23,009 international both military best practice, as well as a commonly 2643 02:33:23,009 --> 02:33:25,469 accepted international law when it comes to the principles of 2644 02:33:25,469 --> 02:33:27,059 proportionality and discrimination. 2645 02:33:27,209 --> 02:33:31,169 Josh Paul, former director of US State Department, Bureau of 2646 02:33:31,169 --> 02:33:34,889 political and military affairs, became the highest level US 2647 02:33:34,889 --> 02:33:39,689 official to resign just one month after October 7. He says 2648 02:33:39,689 --> 02:33:42,539 the administration is avoiding implementing laws that would 2649 02:33:42,539 --> 02:33:44,639 prevent military support to Israel 2650 02:33:44,669 --> 02:33:47,729 to come to a conclusion similarly, that international 2651 02:33:47,729 --> 02:33:51,389 humanitarian law has been violated. There are both laws 2652 02:33:51,389 --> 02:33:54,449 and policies in the US that would restrict the flow of arms. 2653 02:33:54,719 --> 02:33:57,239 So it is clear, I think that the administration is doing this in 2654 02:33:57,239 --> 02:34:00,839 order to continue the flow of arms despite the specific 2655 02:34:00,839 --> 02:34:03,689 restrictions that have been placed on shipments of for 2656 02:34:03,689 --> 02:34:07,469 example, 2000 pound bombs. And that is why it has not come to 2657 02:34:07,469 --> 02:34:09,479 any legally binding conclusions. 2658 02:34:09,569 --> 02:34:13,319 Since Paul's resignation. Many more US officials from various 2659 02:34:13,319 --> 02:34:16,529 government offices have resigned in protest to the 2660 02:34:16,529 --> 02:34:18,839 administration's pro Israel policies. 2661 02:34:18,960 --> 02:34:21,960 Adam Curry: I had not heard any of that. I'm glad you did. I was 2662 02:34:21,960 --> 02:34:24,900 like, I didn't know that. I know people were resigning left and 2663 02:34:24,900 --> 02:34:28,260 right. Is this. Is this now like this $1 billion. 2664 02:34:30,000 --> 02:34:33,060 John C Dvorak: Is this think everybody? I don't think they're 2665 02:34:33,060 --> 02:34:34,620 all resigning because of this? 2666 02:34:34,650 --> 02:34:35,370 Adam Curry: What do you think there was? 2667 02:34:35,640 --> 02:34:37,980 John C Dvorak: The Turkish news makes us sad because they're on 2668 02:34:37,980 --> 02:34:39,270 one side of the argument. That's 2669 02:34:39,270 --> 02:34:40,440 Adam Curry: why I play it. Of course. 2670 02:34:40,470 --> 02:34:42,240 John C Dvorak: Yeah. I don't believe that's true. I did 2671 02:34:42,240 --> 02:34:44,550 sounds that because this has been going on for a while. 2672 02:34:44,550 --> 02:34:48,210 They're just fed up with the system at the State Department. 2673 02:34:48,210 --> 02:34:50,520 They don't like Blink and there's a lot of reasons to 2674 02:34:50,520 --> 02:34:54,630 quit. And that one that was exemplified on that particular 2675 02:34:54,630 --> 02:34:58,260 clip was it was a guy with the DEI which is not State 2676 02:34:58,260 --> 02:34:58,800 Department. 2677 02:34:58,829 --> 02:35:00,509 Adam Curry: Here's what I here's what I don't know. Understand 2678 02:35:01,229 --> 02:35:02,009 Dei, 2679 02:35:02,009 --> 02:35:04,859 John C Dvorak: but Department of Defense Intelligence. Yeah. 2680 02:35:04,889 --> 02:35:08,579 Adam Curry: So so we know that the numbers come the the news 2681 02:35:08,579 --> 02:35:12,299 has been reporting the numbers from the Hamas agency. So we 2682 02:35:12,299 --> 02:35:18,359 have no idea how correct that is. But I think the it's 2683 02:35:18,359 --> 02:35:21,779 intentional, but I wonder why they're doing it. Why do they 2684 02:35:21,779 --> 02:35:25,979 keep saying it's a genocide? Because the genocide implies 2685 02:35:25,979 --> 02:35:29,759 that you just want to wipe all the people out? I don't think 2686 02:35:29,759 --> 02:35:33,659 there's any evidence of that they may be wiping them out. But 2687 02:35:33,659 --> 02:35:39,659 there has to be intent behind genocide. And it's feels like 2688 02:35:39,689 --> 02:35:44,729 you're you're creating a friction point of interpretation 2689 02:35:44,729 --> 02:35:47,399 that has nothing to do with dead people. You know what I mean? 2690 02:35:48,149 --> 02:35:51,809 Like, why did it why did the protesters harp on that? Why did 2691 02:35:51,809 --> 02:35:54,269 why does it all has to be genocide, which of course is 2692 02:35:54,569 --> 02:35:59,219 polarized and because of the Jewish Holocaust genocide, which 2693 02:35:59,219 --> 02:36:04,889 some would say supposedly, in World War Two. It's like a brain 2694 02:36:04,889 --> 02:36:08,309 fry. You know what I mean? It doesn't make any sense to attack 2695 02:36:08,309 --> 02:36:13,439 with that as your main point. Am I Am I overthinking this? 2696 02:36:15,120 --> 02:36:17,790 John C Dvorak: I'm not gonna say you're overthinking it. But I'm 2697 02:36:17,790 --> 02:36:21,630 kind of surprised. You're stunned and shocked by the 2698 02:36:21,630 --> 02:36:25,230 misuse of the terms to get to make a political point, given 2699 02:36:25,830 --> 02:36:29,880 political point. I don't know it seems to be working. Look at the 2700 02:36:30,570 --> 02:36:35,790 turnout for it is debatable, but it's a t shirt. Definitely. It 2701 02:36:35,790 --> 02:36:39,000 seems to me that you got a lot of people in the street. Oh, 2702 02:36:39,030 --> 02:36:39,480 tons 2703 02:36:39,479 --> 02:36:44,369 Adam Curry: of people. And it's so bad that let me see. We got 2704 02:36:44,369 --> 02:36:46,079 to go after poor Jerry Seinfeld. 2705 02:36:47,549 --> 02:36:50,309 Unknown: A moment to celebrate achievement, becoming another 2706 02:36:50,309 --> 02:36:53,939 chance to protest the war in Gaza. After a turbulent spring. 2707 02:36:53,969 --> 02:36:57,329 multiple universities facing disruption at graduation, 2708 02:36:57,719 --> 02:37:01,169 including Duke. Dozens of students walked out on Jerry 2709 02:37:01,169 --> 02:37:07,229 Seinfeld's commencement address Sunday. The comedian was later 2710 02:37:07,229 --> 02:37:07,739 cheered. 2711 02:37:10,680 --> 02:37:15,720 I say, use your privilege. I grew up a Jewish boy from New 2712 02:37:15,720 --> 02:37:18,210 York. That is a privilege if you want to be a 2713 02:37:18,209 --> 02:37:22,559 Adam Curry: comedian. Now explain that to me. But he's 2714 02:37:22,559 --> 02:37:25,469 being a Jewish boy in New York privileged because 2715 02:37:25,470 --> 02:37:29,970 John C Dvorak: of us assume? Yes, because Jewish comics in 2716 02:37:29,970 --> 02:37:34,440 the comedy community are always seen as naturally superior 2717 02:37:34,440 --> 02:37:37,050 because they're brought up in a culture of telling gags and 2718 02:37:37,050 --> 02:37:40,800 jokes. So it gives you a bit of an advantage because you can 2719 02:37:40,980 --> 02:37:45,030 deliver material when you're little. And again, right to your 2720 02:37:45,060 --> 02:37:48,870 older. I mean, if you ever known anyone has a Jewish person who 2721 02:37:48,870 --> 02:37:53,370 has who is at the dinner table that is one of these New Yorkers 2722 02:37:53,370 --> 02:37:56,370 that likes to tell them, do jokes do material, they'll just 2723 02:37:56,370 --> 02:38:00,690 go don't take it to the fantastic. Now I want to mention 2724 02:38:00,690 --> 02:38:04,500 something about this walkout. There were 20 I think it was 25. 2725 02:38:05,850 --> 02:38:11,400 It was like 2500 or more people, or no 20,000 I think was 20,000 2726 02:38:11,400 --> 02:38:14,370 people at this big commencement date. Here's Seinfeld and 40 2727 02:38:14,370 --> 02:38:17,820 walked out. And that became news. It's just bullcrap news, 2728 02:38:17,820 --> 02:38:18,660 so they started to 2729 02:38:18,750 --> 02:38:21,660 Adam Curry: applaud him later, I stopped the report. But yeah, it 2730 02:38:21,660 --> 02:38:24,990 is. I mean, he has a movie to promote, which I tried to watch 2731 02:38:24,990 --> 02:38:28,320 and was kind of tedious. It's supposed to be mediocre. Yeah, 2732 02:38:28,320 --> 02:38:31,830 it was. It was okay. A lot of a lot of famous people in it, 2733 02:38:31,830 --> 02:38:34,470 which made it kind of funny, but then there was this whole kind 2734 02:38:34,470 --> 02:38:38,490 of like January 11th thing for 20 minutes that bugged me. You 2735 02:38:38,490 --> 02:38:40,950 know, it's like, you know, free the pop tart or whatever. 2736 02:38:43,319 --> 02:38:44,579 John C Dvorak: Well, thanks. Well watch it. 2737 02:38:45,150 --> 02:38:48,450 Adam Curry: You don't don't want to watch it. I got one more. No, 2738 02:38:48,450 --> 02:38:52,950 actually, let's move on, because we have the big news of the day 2739 02:38:52,950 --> 02:38:56,490 we haven't even discussed. But it comes on the heels of this 2740 02:38:56,490 --> 02:38:56,970 news. 2741 02:38:57,000 --> 02:39:00,270 Unknown: After years of warning China President Biden put his 2742 02:39:00,270 --> 02:39:04,230 pen where his mouth is today, quadrupling the tariff on 2743 02:39:04,230 --> 02:39:08,730 Chinese EVs from 25% to 100%. 2744 02:39:08,910 --> 02:39:11,610 I'm determined that the future of electric vehicles will be 2745 02:39:11,610 --> 02:39:14,430 made in America by union workers. 2746 02:39:16,379 --> 02:39:20,939 The move comes as EVs from Chinese automaker, BYD gained 2747 02:39:20,939 --> 02:39:25,199 traction around the world at about half the price of US made 2748 02:39:25,199 --> 02:39:25,739 cars. 2749 02:39:25,769 --> 02:39:29,339 One thing that my grandfather used to always tell me are good 2750 02:39:29,339 --> 02:39:31,619 things aren't cheap and cheap. Things aren't good. 2751 02:39:31,680 --> 02:39:35,400 Dorian Jimenez, a Chevy dealership in Oklahoma City. 2752 02:39:35,669 --> 02:39:38,549 I'm glad that our government is going that direction and the 2753 02:39:38,549 --> 02:39:41,909 more things that we can keep in house the greater can be for us. 2754 02:39:41,939 --> 02:39:42,449 Biden's 2755 02:39:42,450 --> 02:39:47,400 hikes apply to far more than EVs, Chinese steel and aluminum 2756 02:39:47,400 --> 02:39:53,130 will be hit with a 25% tariff. Solar Panel sales will go to 50% 2757 02:39:53,340 --> 02:39:56,130 and so will Chinese syringes and needles. 2758 02:39:56,279 --> 02:39:59,969 Biden finally listen to me he listens to me former 2759 02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:03,660 President Donald Trump hiked tariffs on a much broader swath 2760 02:40:03,660 --> 02:40:08,460 of Chinese goods in 2018. At the time, Biden argued that would 2761 02:40:08,460 --> 02:40:11,880 spark a trade war raising costs for everyone. 2762 02:40:12,120 --> 02:40:14,430 We're going after the wrong thing with China. 2763 02:40:16,020 --> 02:40:18,990 Adam Curry: So what is round? Well, 2764 02:40:18,990 --> 02:40:22,320 John C Dvorak: he's a big way this is some another Hail Mary 2765 02:40:22,320 --> 02:40:24,630 that since administration is trying to pull well we 2766 02:40:24,630 --> 02:40:28,050 Adam Curry: know it can't do that because of the Mexican like 2767 02:40:28,050 --> 02:40:29,160 the you know, the free trade. 2768 02:40:29,490 --> 02:40:31,290 John C Dvorak: I don't know what the I know the cars down there 2769 02:40:31,290 --> 02:40:36,480 but beat but but taxing the EVS from China 100% or whatever he's 2770 02:40:36,480 --> 02:40:40,350 supposed to do. What? Electric cars from China? Have you ever 2771 02:40:40,350 --> 02:40:45,060 seen an electric car from China in this country? No. There's not 2772 02:40:45,060 --> 02:40:47,880 one any here. What would you what are you taxing nothing. 2773 02:40:47,910 --> 02:40:48,150 Now, 2774 02:40:48,150 --> 02:40:52,080 Adam Curry: what are the tax on steel and aluminum? Yeah, but 2775 02:40:52,080 --> 02:40:54,630 John C Dvorak: that's just a that's a minus 25 percents, not 2776 02:40:54,630 --> 02:40:58,260 the same as 100%. But this is Trump 100%. This 2777 02:40:58,260 --> 02:41:01,890 Adam Curry: is all Trump policy. Everyone knows it. Which, by the 2778 02:41:01,890 --> 02:41:05,640 way, I heard an analysis that his tariffs really didn't do 2779 02:41:05,640 --> 02:41:11,070 anything that didn't have a lot of effect actually. Just raise 2780 02:41:11,070 --> 02:41:12,330 prices on stuff. 2781 02:41:12,900 --> 02:41:16,050 John C Dvorak: Then you said this was the spoken news. I 2782 02:41:16,050 --> 02:41:19,560 thought you were going to talk about the clip I have, which was 2783 02:41:19,560 --> 02:41:21,870 the Biden Trump debate. 2784 02:41:22,440 --> 02:41:26,850 Adam Curry: No, I said, that's a precursor to this right. 2785 02:41:27,930 --> 02:41:31,200 Unknown: Here in Washoe County, Nevada, home to Reno, Republican 2786 02:41:31,200 --> 02:41:32,130 Tracy Helton, I'm 2787 02:41:32,129 --> 02:41:34,769 Adam Curry: sorry, that's the wrong. That's the wrong clip. 2788 02:41:34,769 --> 02:41:37,619 No, I have what I'm sure you have the clip. Where's the clip? 2789 02:41:38,069 --> 02:41:39,989 The Trump Biden debate clip. Where is it? 2790 02:41:40,439 --> 02:41:43,469 John C Dvorak: Biden's under Biden? Yes. Oh, 2791 02:41:43,469 --> 02:41:45,059 Adam Curry: you have NTD Oh, that's interesting. 2792 02:41:45,089 --> 02:41:47,909 Unknown: After some quick back and forth Biden and Trump now 2793 02:41:47,939 --> 02:41:52,019 both agreed to two debates, the first one by CNN happening in 2794 02:41:52,019 --> 02:41:56,909 just six weeks on June 27. And another one by ABC on September 2795 02:41:56,909 --> 02:41:59,639 10. It brought him on Wednesday afternoon said he's looking 2796 02:41:59,639 --> 02:42:02,759 forward to these debates while denying that he's doing one so 2797 02:42:02,759 --> 02:42:06,299 early in June because he's worried about his polling. But 2798 02:42:06,299 --> 02:42:09,239 Trump's now asking for four debates in total, including one 2799 02:42:09,239 --> 02:42:12,929 by Fox on October 2, saying Americans need to hear more 2800 02:42:12,929 --> 02:42:16,499 about inflation, the border and chaos in the world. Biden's 2801 02:42:16,499 --> 02:42:19,949 campaign meanwhile slamming the door for more debates, Trump of 2802 02:42:19,949 --> 02:42:23,819 playing games and insisting that Biden only wants to one on one 2803 02:42:23,819 --> 02:42:27,029 debates. Here's Biden in the video on Wednesday morning watch 2804 02:42:27,179 --> 02:42:27,629 Donald 2805 02:42:27,629 --> 02:42:30,959 Trump was to debates to me. 20 20% said he hadn't shown up 2806 02:42:30,959 --> 02:42:34,109 for debate. Now he's acting like he wants to debate me again will 2807 02:42:34,109 --> 02:42:37,079 make my day pal. I'll even do it twice 2808 02:42:37,110 --> 02:42:40,200 and the formats of these debates are still being debated and 2809 02:42:40,200 --> 02:42:43,350 could surprise many. Trump says he wants large venues to make 2810 02:42:43,350 --> 02:42:46,740 him more exciting. While Biden's campaign wants no live audience 2811 02:42:46,770 --> 02:42:50,460 saying noisy spectacles are unhelpful. The June CNN debate, 2812 02:42:50,460 --> 02:42:53,280 for example, won't have an audience and will also be the 2813 02:42:53,280 --> 02:42:56,880 earliest televised presidential debate on record. It also marks 2814 02:42:56,880 --> 02:42:59,880 the first time that candidates break away from the bipartisan 2815 02:42:59,880 --> 02:43:03,480 group that has run these debates for decades. It's also the first 2816 02:43:03,480 --> 02:43:06,330 time the debates are said before either candidates becomes the 2817 02:43:06,330 --> 02:43:09,690 official party nominee. While the surprises come as Biden and 2818 02:43:09,690 --> 02:43:12,750 Trump are ready exchanging fire though not yet onstage. 2819 02:43:12,990 --> 02:43:15,600 Adam Curry: So before we discuss this, I want to play two clips 2820 02:43:15,600 --> 02:43:19,290 one because I'm disappointed MTD left off the so called kicker 2821 02:43:19,290 --> 02:43:23,280 joke. Of Biden's ad here it is Donald 2822 02:43:23,280 --> 02:43:26,040 Unknown: Trump lost two debates to me in 2020. The sense that he 2823 02:43:26,040 --> 02:43:28,440 hadn't shown up for debate now he's acting like he wants to 2824 02:43:28,440 --> 02:43:32,790 debate me again. Will Make My Day pal. I'll even do it twice. 2825 02:43:33,090 --> 02:43:36,180 So let's pick the day style. I hear you're free on Wednesdays. 2826 02:43:37,140 --> 02:43:39,660 Adam Curry: So the free on Wednesdays. Is that like that's 2827 02:43:39,660 --> 02:43:42,360 one of theirs prison prison visitation. Is that the joke? 2828 02:43:42,390 --> 02:43:42,630 No, 2829 02:43:42,629 --> 02:43:46,169 John C Dvorak: no, no, no Wednesday and the New York case 2830 02:43:46,259 --> 02:43:48,029 is the day that the court takes off. 2831 02:43:49,799 --> 02:43:53,339 Adam Curry: Okay, now I want to play the NBC report about this 2832 02:43:53,369 --> 02:43:55,709 so called agreement to debate and then we 2833 02:43:55,710 --> 02:43:58,200 Unknown: shall discuss tonight The stage is set for the first 2834 02:43:58,200 --> 02:44:00,780 TV confrontation between President Biden and former 2835 02:44:00,780 --> 02:44:04,020 President Trump in more than three years, the agreement 2836 02:44:04,020 --> 02:44:07,920 punctuating a dizzying day of deal making. And posting this 2837 02:44:07,920 --> 02:44:11,340 video responding to weeks of pressure from Mr. Trump for a 2838 02:44:11,340 --> 02:44:11,910 debate. 2839 02:44:12,030 --> 02:44:15,240 Donald Trump was two debates to me in 2020. The Senate said he 2840 02:44:15,240 --> 02:44:17,670 hadn't shown up for debate. Now he's acting like he wants to 2841 02:44:17,670 --> 02:44:20,460 debate me again will make my day Powell 2842 02:44:20,549 --> 02:44:23,609 the president taunting his rival over his Manhattan hush money 2843 02:44:23,609 --> 02:44:26,069 trial. That's kept him in court four days a 2844 02:44:26,070 --> 02:44:29,340 week. First pick the days Donald, I hear you're free on 2845 02:44:29,340 --> 02:44:29,730 Wednesday. 2846 02:44:30,239 --> 02:44:33,449 There are traditionally three debates the president offering 2847 02:44:33,449 --> 02:44:37,289 to Mr. Trump, who refused all of the primary debates, quickly 2848 02:44:37,289 --> 02:44:40,829 saying yes and pushing for more writing. I'm ready and willing 2849 02:44:40,829 --> 02:44:44,459 to debate crooked Joe at the two proposed times. I would strongly 2850 02:44:44,459 --> 02:44:47,969 recommend more than two debates and for excitement purposes, a 2851 02:44:47,969 --> 02:44:52,679 very large venue. Just tell me when I'll be there. Within hours 2852 02:44:52,679 --> 02:44:56,099 a pair of debate dates were set one in late June another in 2853 02:44:56,099 --> 02:44:59,549 September, both sides bypassing the Commission on Presidential 2854 02:44:59,549 --> 02:45:02,699 Debates. Proposal for three false showdowns. President 2855 02:45:02,699 --> 02:45:05,309 Biden's decision comes after former President Trump 2856 02:45:05,489 --> 02:45:08,249 repeatedly challenged him to debate. You can 2857 02:45:08,250 --> 02:45:13,020 see we have an empty podium right here to my right. You know 2858 02:45:13,020 --> 02:45:15,360 what that is? That's for Joe Biden. I'm trying to get him to 2859 02:45:15,360 --> 02:45:15,840 debate 2860 02:45:16,320 --> 02:45:19,440 in an already unprecedented campaign, the first crucial 2861 02:45:19,440 --> 02:45:22,590 clash now the earliest in modern history. 2862 02:45:22,740 --> 02:45:26,040 Adam Curry: So this does prove, obviously, that politics is show 2863 02:45:26,040 --> 02:45:28,530 business for Ugly people. Your thoughts on this, John? 2864 02:45:29,549 --> 02:45:31,529 John C Dvorak: Well, first of all, is something that no one 2865 02:45:31,529 --> 02:45:36,389 none of these analysts have picked up on. Is the real reason 2866 02:45:36,389 --> 02:45:41,729 Joe wants no audience. Because the Democrats just a Democrat, 2867 02:45:41,759 --> 02:45:44,669 Senator thing, it's gonna be CNN, it's gonna be two people. 2868 02:45:44,849 --> 02:45:47,759 Two people, both of them have called Trump Hitler, both of 2869 02:45:47,759 --> 02:45:52,499 them. Yeah, Tapper and Dana Bash. And so the reason he has 2870 02:45:52,499 --> 02:45:55,619 to have no audience because they get to loaded up with a bunch of 2871 02:45:55,619 --> 02:45:59,579 pro Biden people who would be fine, is you can't hear the ear 2872 02:45:59,579 --> 02:45:59,939 way. 2873 02:46:01,020 --> 02:46:03,420 Adam Curry: You can't hear the IFBB. Exactly, 2874 02:46:03,719 --> 02:46:07,049 John C Dvorak: exactly. He's gonna have a piece deep in his 2875 02:46:07,049 --> 02:46:10,559 ear. It's gonna be one of those canal items, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, 2876 02:46:10,559 --> 02:46:15,719 Joe. And then it probably is going to probably be talking to 2877 02:46:15,719 --> 02:46:19,289 it, but you can't hear it. If you're in a giant crowd that are 2878 02:46:19,289 --> 02:46:21,749 all clapping and hooting and hollering you won't be able to 2879 02:46:21,869 --> 02:46:25,289 pick up the cues. Joe is going to be talked to through the 2880 02:46:25,319 --> 02:46:28,619 whole thing. And he's going to be repeating what the things 2881 02:46:28,649 --> 02:46:31,409 were whoever is talking to him. This is a scam. 2882 02:46:31,860 --> 02:46:37,440 Adam Curry: Yes. And, of course, it's an entertainment. Gambit, 2883 02:46:37,680 --> 02:46:43,020 to get some money for Disney. And for a scene by the way. It's 2884 02:46:43,020 --> 02:46:46,290 kind of a joke to say me, we don't want an audience on CNN 2885 02:46:46,290 --> 02:46:49,890 because they don't have an audience. So that's not, that's 2886 02:46:49,890 --> 02:46:55,350 not very hard. It's just, I mean, what is there? Do they 2887 02:46:55,350 --> 02:46:58,470 think they can do something here? I understand they want the 2888 02:46:58,470 --> 02:47:01,860 microphones muted while the other person is talking. But 2889 02:47:01,860 --> 02:47:06,330 what kind of debate is this? It's not a debate. 2890 02:47:10,200 --> 02:47:12,450 John C Dvorak: gonna sell it'll be entertained. Like you said, 2891 02:47:12,480 --> 02:47:13,680 it's entertainment. It'll 2892 02:47:13,680 --> 02:47:16,980 Adam Curry: be it'll be Bonanza ratings. It'll be fantastic. 2893 02:47:17,220 --> 02:47:17,490 Well, 2894 02:47:17,489 --> 02:47:19,379 John C Dvorak: for CNN, they always have their get a big 2895 02:47:19,379 --> 02:47:23,009 number. So what is they can they can't sell into it? It's not 2896 02:47:23,009 --> 02:47:26,099 part of their, you know, they can't use that as a package sale 2897 02:47:26,099 --> 02:47:29,939 or anything. This is just a big bump in their numbers for one 2898 02:47:29,939 --> 02:47:35,609 day. And all the other networks are demanding that CNN because 2899 02:47:35,609 --> 02:47:38,579 they because ABC has already agreed to this, that they allow 2900 02:47:38,579 --> 02:47:43,199 the other people to carry the feed. Oh, no, no, no, you had to 2901 02:47:43,199 --> 02:47:46,019 No, no, no, we don't want to do that. Because they want to get 2902 02:47:46,019 --> 02:47:49,949 their number super high. But that makes sense. Most media 2903 02:47:49,949 --> 02:47:53,279 people's think that they're going to be they're going to be 2904 02:47:53,279 --> 02:47:58,379 hounded into sharing the feed as it because it is just a national 2905 02:47:58,379 --> 02:48:01,829 thing. It should share the feed. So it'll show up maybe on all 2906 02:48:01,829 --> 02:48:04,139 the networks and then CNN won't get that bump. 2907 02:48:06,180 --> 02:48:09,060 Adam Curry: I think it was a good move though. I think they I 2908 02:48:09,060 --> 02:48:12,810 think it for the for the Biden camp. I think they made a move 2909 02:48:12,810 --> 02:48:15,930 and it was a bold one. Because they know they're guys retarded. 2910 02:48:17,310 --> 02:48:20,640 They do. But it was a bold move and I think it put Trump on it 2911 02:48:20,640 --> 02:48:23,520 on on his hind leg for a second I think he has to figure it 2912 02:48:23,790 --> 02:48:25,560 John C Dvorak: out and they're gonna jet Jack Jack him up with 2913 02:48:25,560 --> 02:48:28,170 it ever they give him for this State of the Union. 2914 02:48:30,209 --> 02:48:32,519 Adam Curry: Now you don't think that that there's something here 2915 02:48:32,519 --> 02:48:35,249 that there could be a quick switcheroo a gambit afoot? You 2916 02:48:35,249 --> 02:48:38,999 know something that we swap it out in comes Gavin Newsom. 2917 02:48:40,979 --> 02:48:43,559 John C Dvorak: The thinking again goes to the following as 2918 02:48:43,769 --> 02:48:47,399 the in the following way. They want to do this debate early 2919 02:48:47,399 --> 02:48:52,079 enough, like in June, to prevent like a switcheroo during the 2920 02:48:52,079 --> 02:48:53,849 convention or anything yet because Biden will be 2921 02:48:53,849 --> 02:48:57,329 established now he's you know, no matter what you think, no. 2922 02:48:58,500 --> 02:49:01,620 Adam Curry: Oh, so it's a it's a it's a defensive move against a 2923 02:49:01,620 --> 02:49:03,990 strife inside the Democrat camp. 2924 02:49:04,319 --> 02:49:07,559 John C Dvorak: That's what's one analysis would have. Yeah, I 2925 02:49:07,559 --> 02:49:10,199 think that's exactly right. So you put him up there. He's 2926 02:49:10,199 --> 02:49:13,349 already now he's, you know, we can't just switch him out now. 2927 02:49:13,650 --> 02:49:16,890 Adam Curry: Yeah, that's okay. That makes that makes sense. No 2928 02:49:16,890 --> 02:49:21,720 matter what happens. They can't swap him out. Okay, well, it'll 2929 02:49:21,720 --> 02:49:24,120 be great. You know what's great about it, it's on a Wednesday. 2930 02:49:24,660 --> 02:49:28,260 It's good for the show. We love that. 2931 02:49:28,830 --> 02:49:31,620 Unknown: I'm gonna show us move by donating to no agenda. 2932 02:49:31,680 --> 02:49:34,440 Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be 2933 02:49:34,440 --> 02:49:34,830 fun. 2934 02:49:41,969 --> 02:49:45,299 Adam Curry: I want to thank some people who came in $50 or above 2935 02:49:45,329 --> 02:49:51,419 as producers of episode 1660. And we got some title changes 2936 02:49:51,449 --> 02:49:55,199 and some nice things and a whopper of a whopper of a meet 2937 02:49:55,199 --> 02:49:57,359 up list. Very excited about that. So John, why don't you 2938 02:49:57,359 --> 02:49:59,369 take us through these donations? Yeah, 2939 02:49:59,370 --> 02:50:04,950 John C Dvorak: we're gonna start John Key hanya or key Hana in 2940 02:50:04,950 --> 02:50:09,030 park Ville, Maryland with $150 and then we have Gary Coxon, 2941 02:50:09,450 --> 02:50:13,380 Queensland Australia with 12661 If you want to run that through 2942 02:50:13,380 --> 02:50:19,290 a calculator that may bump up to 200 Not sure, but it came down 2943 02:50:19,290 --> 02:50:19,470 to 2944 02:50:19,469 --> 02:50:22,049 Adam Curry: 6000 don't think it quite makes it Wow, it's really 2945 02:50:22,049 --> 02:50:22,799 leaning here. 2946 02:50:24,030 --> 02:50:26,730 John C Dvorak: Lucas Williams Roswell, New Mexico. Good. Oh, 2947 02:50:26,730 --> 02:50:31,560 Roswell. $100 Kevin McLaughlin already. Oh, 808 the only one 2948 02:50:31,560 --> 02:50:38,100 today for boobs. Christopher Dexter's 5678 James Edmondson in 2949 02:50:38,100 --> 02:50:42,360 South Plainfield, New Jersey, 5510. This goes down fast, by 2950 02:50:42,360 --> 02:50:46,950 the way, Devon O'Connell. Boyles, Boylston, Massachusetts. 2951 02:50:46,950 --> 02:50:50,820 50 to 72. And now we're at the 50s and just just $50 donors, 2952 02:50:51,060 --> 02:50:54,960 name and location, starting with inside a big list, starting with 2953 02:50:54,960 --> 02:50:58,470 Dame Patricia Worthington in Miami, Brandon Savoie in Port 2954 02:50:58,470 --> 02:51:04,770 orchard. Jared ja in Nashville, real deals now in San Antonio, 2955 02:51:04,770 --> 02:51:08,310 Texas. Kevin deals in Huntersville, North Carolina 2956 02:51:08,310 --> 02:51:14,940 Diane shawanna back Shuang avec. In johnsburg, Illinois, Kristian 2957 02:51:14,940 --> 02:51:20,250 Freeman in San Marcos, Texas. am Dana for rally in Los Alamitos, 2958 02:51:20,250 --> 02:51:26,130 California. Easy landscapes in North Stonington Connecticut, if 2959 02:51:26,130 --> 02:51:29,430 you live in North Stonington Phillip blue in Louisville, 2960 02:51:29,430 --> 02:51:35,730 Kentucky, Michael Thompson and new brown fells Texas. Kelly 2961 02:51:35,730 --> 02:51:38,970 megadeal in Mission Hills, Kansas, Chris Lewinsky and 2962 02:51:38,970 --> 02:51:44,490 Alberta Sherwood Park, Michael parotta perote parrot in Salem, 2963 02:51:44,490 --> 02:51:49,140 Oregon integrated fluid Systems Inc. in Blythe, South Carolina. 2964 02:51:50,130 --> 02:51:53,850 Sir Greg in Newport, North Carolina and last on our list is 2965 02:51:53,850 --> 02:51:56,100 Leanne Shipley in Covington. 2966 02:51:56,130 --> 02:51:58,440 Adam Curry: No, we have one more we have one more Sara Sara a 2967 02:51:58,440 --> 02:51:59,250 Martin. Oh, I'm 2968 02:51:59,250 --> 02:52:02,370 John C Dvorak: sorry. Yes. And I'm sorry Sarah Martin in 2969 02:52:02,370 --> 02:52:06,720 Lanark, Ontario, Canada. She's got a birthday. Happy birthday 2970 02:52:06,720 --> 02:52:09,270 to Amy. Best sister in the universe. 2971 02:52:09,299 --> 02:52:11,489 Adam Curry: Nah. All right. Nice, beautiful. Thank you all 2972 02:52:11,489 --> 02:52:14,759 very much for supporting us. And again, thank you to those people 2973 02:52:14,759 --> 02:52:18,179 came in under $50 For reasons of anonymity. And again, everybody, 2974 02:52:18,209 --> 02:52:21,209 you can support us one way or the other these days, you can go 2975 02:52:21,209 --> 02:52:25,289 without that one value meal. You could support the best podcast 2976 02:52:25,289 --> 02:52:29,309 in the universe with $5 Do it every single month for go the 2977 02:52:29,309 --> 02:52:32,729 horrible meal and support us. We appreciate it. And again, thanks 2978 02:52:32,729 --> 02:52:35,219 to our executive and Associate Executive Producers everybody 2979 02:52:35,219 --> 02:52:38,639 deserves a Karma today. Thank you. You've got karma 2980 02:52:47,040 --> 02:52:50,130 Yeah, we got some birthdays. Hold on a second. We'll begin 2981 02:52:50,130 --> 02:52:54,330 the list here. We have Eric who wishes Lauren elewana Happy 2982 02:52:54,330 --> 02:52:58,380 birthday. celebrated yesterday. Drone dork. well wishes his 2983 02:52:58,380 --> 02:53:01,980 keeper Melissa happy one is your birthday today. And he himself 2984 02:53:01,980 --> 02:53:06,360 is celebrating tomorrow and that coincidental? Brennan Lawton 2985 02:53:06,360 --> 02:53:10,380 turns 30 on the 18th Eric Mackey Hello, Eric Mackey celebrating 2986 02:53:10,410 --> 02:53:14,100 on May 18. Tallinn system, which is beautiful daughter Isabella, 2987 02:53:14,100 --> 02:53:18,780 happy birthday for June 6. Oh, that's coming up I guess. And 2988 02:53:18,780 --> 02:53:21,990 his smokin hot and smart wife Joanie will be so celebrated 2989 02:53:21,990 --> 02:53:24,990 yesterday. So it's a belated Happy Birthday. And Sarah Martin 2990 02:53:24,990 --> 02:53:28,230 wishes her sister Amy a happy birthday as we just heard happy 2991 02:53:28,230 --> 02:53:31,950 birthday from everybody here at the bass podcast in the universe 2992 02:53:40,500 --> 02:53:44,100 Unknown: don't want to be induced title change? 2993 02:53:44,130 --> 02:53:47,550 Adam Curry: Let me see we have Kieran Hennessy. That's right, 2994 02:53:47,880 --> 02:53:52,020 becomes the Baron of Donnybrook as requested and we thank you 2995 02:53:52,020 --> 02:53:55,980 for supporting us with multiple amounts necessary and you're now 2996 02:53:55,980 --> 02:53:58,680 a baron so we really appreciate that. Thank you so much. We have 2997 02:53:58,680 --> 02:54:01,110 a layaway night we want to celebrate today with a knighting 2998 02:54:01,440 --> 02:54:04,920 and this comes from Justin Heiner. He's from Vine Grove 2999 02:54:04,920 --> 02:54:07,860 Kentucky has been listener since my first appearance on Joe Rogan 3000 02:54:07,860 --> 02:54:11,160 experience char okay donation I am fresh off the night layaway 3001 02:54:11,160 --> 02:54:15,120 program that my smokin hot rocket wife Natalie put me on as 3002 02:54:15,120 --> 02:54:18,660 an anniversary gift a couple of years ago. He says best gift 3003 02:54:18,690 --> 02:54:22,920 ever. Quick shout out to my five sons and future knights Gavin 3004 02:54:22,920 --> 02:54:26,430 Garrett, Grayson, Landon and Jack Those are good names. Those 3005 02:54:26,430 --> 02:54:31,890 are strong men names I like that. Adam watching your journey 3006 02:54:31,890 --> 02:54:34,980 to faith in Jesus has been awesome, John, you're like a 3007 02:54:34,980 --> 02:54:38,940 fine wine. You just get better with age. How tired of you 3008 02:54:38,940 --> 02:54:44,490 hearing that one is pretty bad. This is truly as the best pod in 3009 02:54:44,490 --> 02:54:48,120 the universe. So to all who agree raise a glass to hoping 3010 02:54:48,120 --> 02:54:52,140 these two never find an exit strategy too late podcasters and 3011 02:54:52,140 --> 02:54:55,230 residents is on deck. I would like to be knighted sir Justin 3012 02:54:55,230 --> 02:54:57,840 protector of the grove roundtable New York Strip 3013 02:54:57,840 --> 02:55:01,050 truffle fries and a Diet Coke and a Think of deducing is an 3014 02:55:01,050 --> 02:55:08,430 order okay? You've been de Deus. Thanks guys. Bye. Okay, you were 3015 02:55:08,430 --> 02:55:11,640 ready for him. I got a sword if you're a set with the sword. Do 3016 02:55:11,640 --> 02:55:14,460 you have your sword? You're fighting right here it 3017 02:55:14,460 --> 02:55:15,090 John C Dvorak: is. gotcha 3018 02:55:15,090 --> 02:55:21,030 Adam Curry: gotcha fine wine All right, Justin Heiner hop on up 3019 02:55:21,030 --> 02:55:24,420 here and John of Jupiter both of you today become knights of the 3020 02:55:24,420 --> 02:55:28,380 no agenda roundtable I'm very proud to pronounce the Ks D S or 3021 02:55:28,380 --> 02:55:32,880 Justin protector of the grove and Sir John of Jupiter lover of 3022 02:55:32,880 --> 02:55:37,080 the Loxahatchee and emissary to the perpetual pioneers. For you 3023 02:55:37,080 --> 02:55:39,330 gentlemen, we have hookers and blow written boys and 3024 02:55:39,330 --> 02:55:43,560 Chardonnay. But at requests we have st meet in Everglades he 3025 02:55:43,590 --> 02:55:47,010 New York Strip truffle fries and a Diet Coke. And of course the 3026 02:55:47,010 --> 02:55:50,250 usual fare of bong hits and bourbon sparkling cider and 3027 02:55:50,250 --> 02:55:54,450 escorts. We got your ginger ale and Jerboas we got your breast 3028 02:55:54,450 --> 02:55:57,330 milk and pablum you sparkling Oh, we got the buckets of 3029 02:55:57,330 --> 02:55:59,970 bourbon. Yes. And of course the mutton in me there it is. That's 3030 02:55:59,970 --> 02:56:02,100 what I was looking for. And with your accoutrements there, 3031 02:56:02,100 --> 02:56:06,030 gentlemen, please go to no agenda rings.com Send us off 3032 02:56:06,030 --> 02:56:09,150 your ring size, there's a handy sizing guide there and we will 3033 02:56:09,150 --> 02:56:12,810 send you your Signet rings your night rings post-haste, which of 3034 02:56:12,810 --> 02:56:16,410 course come with wax to seal your important correspondence 3035 02:56:16,440 --> 02:56:19,350 and a certificate of authenticity. Thank you and 3036 02:56:19,350 --> 02:56:21,750 especially for our layaways we'd love it when people become 3037 02:56:21,750 --> 02:56:24,330 knights on the layaway plan knights of the no agenda 3038 02:56:24,330 --> 02:56:26,220 roundtable know what 3039 02:56:32,160 --> 02:56:36,540 wow okay, we have quite the list here today. We've got Charlotte 3040 02:56:36,540 --> 02:56:39,180 Thursday's thirsty Third Thursday monthly meet up seven 3041 02:56:39,180 --> 02:56:42,390 o'clock in Charlotte. Charlotte, North Carolina at Ed's Tavern on 3042 02:56:42,390 --> 02:56:46,830 Saturday ITM Richmond that'll be at noon and that is at triple 3043 02:56:46,830 --> 02:56:49,800 crossing and Fulton that's a change of venues or take note 3044 02:56:50,130 --> 02:56:53,730 for the Fort Wayne as Cinco Demayo. Club 33 At one o'clock 3045 02:56:53,730 --> 02:56:56,940 and Mitchell's in Fort Wayne, Indiana, the NA local five to a 3046 02:56:56,970 --> 02:57:01,500 five to a barbecue Casa De Morgan. Baron Scott. One o'clock 3047 02:57:01,500 --> 02:57:04,830 see the website no agenda meetups for more details no 3048 02:57:04,830 --> 02:57:08,190 agenda meetups.com the shrunken amygdala support group meets at 3049 02:57:08,190 --> 02:57:11,370 two o'clock at the draft the TAFs group Boreum in Cincinnati, 3050 02:57:11,370 --> 02:57:14,070 Ohio, the Connecticut meet up two o'clock on Saturday at the 3051 02:57:14,070 --> 02:57:18,150 truck bar in Hagen in Connecticut. We have red 33 Red 3052 02:57:18,150 --> 02:57:23,280 333 Boston John Reed spring 2024 meet up at 230 Castle Island 3053 02:57:23,280 --> 02:57:27,030 brewery in Northwood, Massachusetts, insane Diego 3054 02:57:27,030 --> 02:57:30,120 monthly meetup on Saturday at 330 at the roundtable pizza 3055 02:57:30,120 --> 02:57:34,410 Rancho Bernardo and that's in San Diego, the central Ohio meet 3056 02:57:34,410 --> 02:57:38,040 up at five at Dempsey's in Columbus, Ohio. On Sunday. Our 3057 02:57:38,040 --> 02:57:41,580 next show day the indie na tribal tell your mother revised 3058 02:57:41,580 --> 02:57:44,490 meet up three o'clock at the dugout bar. Great place. We've 3059 02:57:44,490 --> 02:57:47,490 been there Tina and I went to visit Indianapolis, Indiana, the 3060 02:57:47,490 --> 02:57:50,820 knowledge in the southwest New Hampshire 333 at the local 3061 02:57:50,820 --> 02:57:53,970 burger and Keene New Hampshire, and the Charleston semi regular 3062 02:57:53,970 --> 02:57:56,340 meet up four o'clock at the Royal American in Charleston, 3063 02:57:56,340 --> 02:57:59,430 South Carolina. We have many more coming up this month. 3064 02:57:59,430 --> 02:58:03,450 Athens Greece on May 22. I hope you guys send in the report. And 3065 02:58:03,450 --> 02:58:07,110 of course the Amsterdam the Netherlands meet up on June 15. 3066 02:58:07,110 --> 02:58:12,510 It's gonna be very exciting. Indeed. And, you know, Tanzania 3067 02:58:12,510 --> 02:58:15,180 will show up with a scrapbook I'm so excited. Those that 3068 02:58:15,180 --> 02:58:19,200 you're no agenda meetups, go to no agenda meetups.com to see all 3069 02:58:19,200 --> 02:58:21,750 of them see all of them listed. If you can't find one near you 3070 02:58:21,750 --> 02:58:24,690 start one it's easy. No agenda meetups.com 3071 02:58:31,260 --> 02:58:39,300 Unknown: You won't be triggered. You will be everybody feels the 3072 02:58:39,300 --> 02:58:42,780 same. Is like 3073 02:58:44,129 --> 02:58:48,929 Adam Curry: yay. Like a party like a party. I only have one 3074 02:58:48,929 --> 02:58:51,929 Iso I don't think it's very good. Actually. I can actually 3075 02:58:51,929 --> 02:58:56,489 roll it out for you. It's my one. So please, please 100% 100% 3076 02:58:56,490 --> 02:58:57,480 John C Dvorak: Oh, not again. 3077 02:58:57,479 --> 02:59:00,419 Adam Curry: It's got hopefully you have something better. 3078 02:59:00,450 --> 02:59:02,280 John C Dvorak: I have two that I think are better. But let's 3079 02:59:02,280 --> 02:59:05,400 start with that. Absolutely true. Absolutely true. 3080 02:59:06,089 --> 02:59:07,499 Adam Curry: Not bad. Not bad. Not bad. 3081 02:59:07,500 --> 02:59:10,890 John C Dvorak: I like it. Clear. To the point. Yes, it is. And 3082 02:59:10,890 --> 02:59:13,590 then best thing. Best thing to ever happen 3083 02:59:13,590 --> 02:59:14,130 Unknown: to the internet. 3084 02:59:14,159 --> 02:59:17,039 Adam Curry: Yeah. Okay. That's the winner right there. You knew 3085 02:59:17,039 --> 02:59:20,249 that was gonna win. That's beautiful. I love it. Good news. 3086 02:59:20,399 --> 02:59:25,349 Good. Good news. Good news. Good news. Good news. And good news. 3087 02:59:25,349 --> 02:59:28,349 As we wind up our broadcast day, John, what do we have today? 3088 02:59:28,380 --> 02:59:32,100 John C Dvorak: It's about 102 year old woman's birthday. And 3089 02:59:32,100 --> 02:59:35,880 she is a hard work and volunteer and she's just good keeps on 3090 02:59:35,880 --> 02:59:36,300 truckin. 3091 02:59:36,479 --> 02:59:39,539 Adam Curry: You sound like Who was the guy on the Today Show? 3092 02:59:39,689 --> 02:59:44,639 The weather guy he used to do we've got a shout out to the Oh 3093 02:59:44,639 --> 02:59:46,709 yes, his name's not Ah, 3094 02:59:46,769 --> 02:59:50,699 John C Dvorak: there's a big fat guy. Yeah, dead guy is dead now. 3095 02:59:52,410 --> 02:59:54,270 Unknown: What was his name? Alright, now St. Mary's 3096 02:59:54,270 --> 02:59:57,690 celebrated one of their longtime volunteers yesterday. Surely 3097 02:59:57,690 --> 03:00:01,830 souls just turned 102 Are Jessica Livingstone was at the 3098 03:00:01,830 --> 03:00:05,430 celebration where the birthday girl danced the party away and 3099 03:00:05,430 --> 03:00:06,600 shared a little advice 3100 03:00:06,630 --> 03:00:09,840 surely shows a three time cancer survivor has been volunteering 3101 03:00:09,840 --> 03:00:13,590 for St. Mary's for more than two decades. She sorts papers and 3102 03:00:13,590 --> 03:00:16,950 does what she calls the grunt work because she says it's what 3103 03:00:16,950 --> 03:00:18,630 keeps her going. Give 3104 03:00:18,629 --> 03:00:25,019 yourself community gives back to you. So it works two ways. To me 3105 03:00:25,019 --> 03:00:28,289 volunteering is really very important. Shirley's 3106 03:00:28,290 --> 03:00:30,900 life is a whirlwind with heirlooms for hospice on 3107 03:00:30,900 --> 03:00:34,020 Mondays, St. Mary's on Wednesday and lunch with her friends on 3108 03:00:34,020 --> 03:00:38,430 Friday. But she was confides she could be busier in case you're 3109 03:00:38,430 --> 03:00:40,170 looking for a volunteer. So 3110 03:00:40,170 --> 03:00:43,590 Monday, Wednesday and Friday, I'm booked, but I'm open for 3111 03:00:43,590 --> 03:00:46,050 Tuesday and Thursday if anybody's aware. 3112 03:00:46,409 --> 03:00:50,249 Anyone hoping to make it as far as she has, she shares this life 3113 03:00:50,249 --> 03:00:51,209 advice, but 3114 03:00:51,210 --> 03:00:55,860 you have to like yourself so you can like others and help others 3115 03:00:56,070 --> 03:00:57,660 have to want to do that. 3116 03:00:57,690 --> 03:01:01,170 Surely spice for life never stops for her. It's all been a 3117 03:01:01,170 --> 03:01:03,990 grand intoxicating adventure by single 3118 03:01:03,990 --> 03:01:08,370 malt scotch and my wine tasting. And my traveling all over the 3119 03:01:08,370 --> 03:01:13,740 world. drives my family crazy. I was in Africa celebrating my 3120 03:01:13,740 --> 03:01:15,900 95th birthday on a camping 3121 03:01:15,899 --> 03:01:20,339 trip. So giving and loving her door is always open to new and 3122 03:01:20,339 --> 03:01:22,049 old friends. Five 3123 03:01:22,050 --> 03:01:27,090 530 The news and the wine. I have any kind of snacks you 3124 03:01:27,090 --> 03:01:33,510 want. So come on over Happy Birthday surely. years to many, 3125 03:01:33,510 --> 03:01:34,200 many more. 3126 03:01:34,230 --> 03:01:37,050 Adam Curry: I that was a good one. I like it. I like it. I'd 3127 03:01:37,050 --> 03:01:39,870 like to drink an old granny. Yes. She 3128 03:01:39,870 --> 03:01:41,820 John C Dvorak: says fanciful malt scotch. 3129 03:01:41,849 --> 03:01:44,789 Adam Curry: I love wine. Willard. Willard Scott was the 3130 03:01:44,789 --> 03:01:49,799 name we were Willard Scotland's. I love that chick. That's I 3131 03:01:49,799 --> 03:01:52,679 mean, if I'm going to be the vaping Granny, I'm going to be 3132 03:01:52,679 --> 03:01:56,579 the vaping grandpa. Hey, give me a single malt scotch. I'm going 3133 03:01:56,579 --> 03:02:03,659 to vape in your face. This is heavy. 3134 03:02:09,540 --> 03:02:13,080 Good news, everybody. We love the good news segments. Very 3135 03:02:13,080 --> 03:02:16,080 controversial. Very controversial, very 3136 03:02:16,080 --> 03:02:17,070 controversial. Links 3137 03:02:17,069 --> 03:02:19,319 John C Dvorak: to grouches out there. Very controversial 3138 03:02:19,319 --> 03:02:19,769 segment. 3139 03:02:19,830 --> 03:02:21,870 Adam Curry: And we'll tell you later 3140 03:02:21,870 --> 03:02:23,880 John C Dvorak: good news. Good 3141 03:02:23,880 --> 03:02:26,460 Adam Curry: news. Hey, we got some more facts coming up next. 3142 03:02:26,460 --> 03:02:30,750 If you want to know about the beef between Kendrick Lamar and 3143 03:02:33,000 --> 03:02:34,890 John C Dvorak: the other guy yeah, what's his name? Yeah, 3144 03:02:34,890 --> 03:02:35,130 that 3145 03:02:35,129 --> 03:02:41,789 Adam Curry: guy. Kendrick Lamar. Oh, yeah, the the Canadian 3146 03:02:43,109 --> 03:02:47,849 Drake, Drake, Drake, and its implications on black America. 3147 03:02:47,849 --> 03:02:51,359 It's all coming up next. I know agenda stream.com Troll room.io 3148 03:02:51,359 --> 03:02:54,599 N in your modern podcast apps end of show mixes and then we 3149 03:02:54,599 --> 03:02:58,439 got some good ones hog of short fuse. Professor J. Jones always 3150 03:02:58,439 --> 03:03:02,399 wraps up the previous show and we've got some Leola pew 3151 03:03:02,399 --> 03:03:03,359 classic. 3152 03:03:03,810 --> 03:03:04,590 Unknown: Good stuff. 3153 03:03:05,130 --> 03:03:08,010 Adam Curry: Coming to you from Fredericksburg, Texas, the heart 3154 03:03:08,010 --> 03:03:10,800 of the Texas Hill Country FEMA Region number six in the 3155 03:03:10,800 --> 03:03:11,670 morning, everybody. 3156 03:03:12,809 --> 03:03:15,419 John C Dvorak: I'm Adam curry from Northern Silicon Valley. 3157 03:03:15,419 --> 03:03:17,579 I'm John C. Dvorak. We'll be back on Sunday. 3158 03:03:17,580 --> 03:03:20,430 Adam Curry: Please join us looking forward to it. In the 3159 03:03:20,430 --> 03:03:24,210 meantime, remember us at divorce act.org/na no agenda 3160 03:03:24,210 --> 03:03:30,360 donations.com Until then adios mofos Hui Hui, and such 3161 03:03:35,160 --> 03:03:38,880 Unknown: I got no agenda when it comes to the distracts rapid 3162 03:03:38,880 --> 03:03:42,630 rails no conspiracy theory of spinning says that they'll do 3163 03:03:42,630 --> 03:03:46,350 the research to back you up with some C span expose the memes 3164 03:03:46,350 --> 03:03:50,280 wants you back to your kids as they bless you with knighthood 3165 03:03:50,640 --> 03:03:54,300 TSA is grabbing ball sacks from the back to pick your flight 3166 03:03:54,300 --> 03:03:59,400 good security they say just a small fire gets a civil 3167 03:03:59,400 --> 03:04:05,970 liberties taken away they think a paranoid paranoid paranoid cuz 3168 03:04:05,970 --> 03:04:09,540 they don't like what I'm saying they think a paranoid they think 3169 03:04:09,540 --> 03:04:14,250 I'm paranoid paranoid cuz they don't like what I say they think 3170 03:04:14,250 --> 03:04:21,900 I'm paranoid you think I'm paranoid paranoid paranoid to 3171 03:04:26,580 --> 03:04:30,600 the to the resources that Schiff says see in the morning at Curry 3172 03:04:30,600 --> 03:04:37,680 here my man Chelsea and I hit him in the mouth and listen to 3173 03:04:37,680 --> 03:04:41,490 what I'm talking about. Don't let your free country go because 3174 03:04:41,490 --> 03:04:45,600 you want to give it up too fast and reacted too slow spending 3175 03:04:45,600 --> 03:04:49,740 all our money in the land where the poppies bring it back as 3176 03:04:49,740 --> 03:04:57,870 some hair you know paranoid cuz they don't like what I'm saying. 3177 03:04:59,580 --> 03:05:03,750 They think got paranoid paranoid cuz they don't like what I'm 3178 03:05:03,750 --> 03:05:10,470 saying you think paranoid cuz they don't like what I'm saying 3179 03:05:15,479 --> 03:05:18,869 Adam Curry: they don't like what I say. Time to celebrate 3180 03:05:18,900 --> 03:05:20,010 John C Dvorak: because of bird flu 3181 03:05:20,879 --> 03:05:26,399 Adam Curry: very fishy 11 years of colder weather we need no 3182 03:05:26,399 --> 03:05:30,899 agenda fear scale just in time for Pride Month Do you have a 3183 03:05:30,899 --> 03:05:33,599 scar snare? Are you serious in this country about the potential 3184 03:05:33,599 --> 03:05:38,789 impact of the h five n one bird flu on humans is a money making 3185 03:05:38,789 --> 03:05:43,259 scheme. This has to be rejected. It's fake each five and one is 3186 03:05:43,259 --> 03:05:46,859 mutating into a form that could spread from human to human a lot 3187 03:05:46,859 --> 03:05:48,119 of people getting worried 3188 03:05:48,150 --> 03:05:51,240 Unknown: I saw nothing the virus is now spread among dairy cattle 3189 03:05:51,240 --> 03:05:53,010 across nine different states. 3190 03:05:53,040 --> 03:05:56,400 Adam Curry: This is bull crap. This is a hoax. We got to have 3191 03:05:56,460 --> 03:05:57,690 queers now. 3192 03:05:58,110 --> 03:06:01,020 John C Dvorak: If they have birth to Jesus dropped dead it's 3193 03:06:01,020 --> 03:06:01,380 only 3194 03:06:01,380 --> 03:06:04,260 Unknown: a matter of time hospitalizations for COVID are 3195 03:06:04,260 --> 03:06:05,970 at an all time Whoa. 3196 03:06:06,029 --> 03:06:07,439 John C Dvorak: But nothing got blowed up. 3197 03:06:08,220 --> 03:06:13,260 Adam Curry: Clear. How worried should they be right now? My 3198 03:06:14,250 --> 03:06:17,760 telephone poles were on fire. The risk to you right now is 3199 03:06:17,760 --> 03:06:23,430 very low. But breaking Typhoid Mary oh the herd nonbinary no 3200 03:06:23,430 --> 03:06:27,990 binary No, no Nari and coronal mass ejections. What is going 3201 03:06:27,990 --> 03:06:28,530 on? Where 3202 03:06:28,530 --> 03:06:29,820 Unknown: is it? How what is it spread? 3203 03:06:29,969 --> 03:06:32,549 Adam Curry: They're phonies. They're all phones. We've been 3204 03:06:32,549 --> 03:06:35,549 Unknown: duped alarm bells should really start going off 3205 03:06:35,579 --> 03:06:36,569 rare severe 3206 03:06:36,569 --> 03:06:38,309 geomagnetic storm warning. 3207 03:06:38,699 --> 03:06:40,769 John C Dvorak: actually played there. Sony says that piece of 3208 03:06:40,769 --> 03:06:44,159 crap. Joe Biden. It is 3209 03:06:44,160 --> 03:06:45,900 Unknown: scary and it does sound scary. 3210 03:06:48,750 --> 03:06:50,760 Adam Curry: blue haired people are all upset with 3211 03:06:53,490 --> 03:06:57,330 petrochemicals and sawdust is now food increase in cancer 3212 03:06:57,330 --> 03:07:00,870 mortality after a third COVID dose. I love it. 3213 03:07:01,590 --> 03:07:06,870 Unknown: Viral fragments in Europe is last figure out what 3214 03:07:06,870 --> 03:07:08,490 the dominant strains gonna be 3215 03:07:08,549 --> 03:07:11,819 Adam Curry: Satan on the way I think we're going away this is 3216 03:07:11,819 --> 03:07:16,289 not going to end well for you. Now that's the winning song out 3217 03:07:16,289 --> 03:07:19,589 of protesting telling your kid you're good to go. 3218 03:07:19,740 --> 03:07:21,840 Unknown: It is scary and it does sound scary. 3219 03:07:21,989 --> 03:07:24,359 Adam Curry: Even the smallpox vaccine of course started 3220 03:07:24,359 --> 03:07:26,309 smallpox epidemics. 3221 03:07:27,809 --> 03:07:29,039 Unknown: Superstar 3222 03:07:29,070 --> 03:07:30,450 John C Dvorak: not on the list. 3223 03:07:33,840 --> 03:07:40,740 Unknown: If you read into the denizens of a bar in Secretary 3224 03:07:40,740 --> 03:07:45,690 of State Anthony Blinken, he went to a bar and jams with a 3225 03:07:45,690 --> 03:07:46,980 local Ukrainian 3226 03:07:47,010 --> 03:07:49,950 rock band. He was banned jeans and black shirt because he's so 3227 03:07:49,950 --> 03:07:51,330 cool. We're a war torn 3228 03:07:51,330 --> 03:07:55,890 country that is facing genocidal demolition equal to vegan jam 3229 03:07:55,890 --> 03:07:57,990 and party with a bunch of people who are drinking 3230 03:07:57,989 --> 03:08:00,809 it. They have been living they will be funded for ever. 3231 03:08:00,989 --> 03:08:04,589 And it was obviously for the cameras. This was all planned 3232 03:08:04,589 --> 03:08:08,039 and all staged. Who was this for? Exactly? 3233 03:08:08,190 --> 03:08:11,760 It does not offend a message of desperation on the part of the 3234 03:08:11,760 --> 03:08:12,360 Fein 3235 03:08:12,479 --> 03:08:15,269 Secretary stapling a jamming in a foreign key of well, you're 3236 03:08:15,269 --> 03:08:17,309 forced to cough up 10s of billions of dollars that we 3237 03:08:17,309 --> 03:08:20,669 don't have for the war. There are too many failed theater kids 3238 03:08:20,669 --> 03:08:22,559 actors and musicians in politics. 3239 03:08:22,859 --> 03:08:26,099 The actual band they were told someone famous was going to come 3240 03:08:26,099 --> 03:08:28,649 and play with them. They were told it was the young. 3241 03:08:49,680 --> 03:08:56,400 fora.org/in a best thing to ever happen to the internet.