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John C Dvorak: I'm gonna turn
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Devora January 14 2020

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Adam Curry: for the seal board
when he came on he media

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assassination episode 1645. This

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Unknown: is no agenda, tracking
the Dream Team and

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Adam Curry: broadcasting live
from the heart of Texas Hill

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Country here. Reason number six
in the morning, everybody. I'm

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John C Dvorak: from Northern
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wondering why anybody cares that
much about Iowa. I'm John C.

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Adam Curry: Buzzkill. Well, it's
record cold in Iowa. That's why

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everyone cares. record cold
everywhere record cold in Texas.

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It's 22 degrees in the hill
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John C Dvorak: Is it what it is
there right now? Yeah, and you

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Adam Curry: know, such a scam.
So this cold front Yeah,

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everyone knew the cold front was
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this. This warning freezing rain
freezing rain Sunday, Sunday

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night freezing rain, it's gonna
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gonna break you'll be without
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looking at the Aviation Weather
which 24 hours ahead you can get

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a pretty good idea but even now
I'm still checking the terminal

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area forecast. The May two
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know, their life depends on it.
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there's just no rain no
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John C Dvorak: but well that's a
far cry from freezing rain well,

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Adam Curry: in anticipation of
this ERCOT you know, we're all

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the old Enron people went to go
scam everybody ERCOT immediately

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jacked up the per megawatt price
our of gas turbines to 400

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bucks. So it's a money making
scam. And then all people can do

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is say, Oh, the Texas grids. No,
good. We have a great grid. It's

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just they don't turn on any
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last night, so we're
unincorporated. We're out here

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we have we don't have any city
services. We're right on the

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edge of the city. We have no
city services. So nothing else

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is arranged. You know, we get
our we have our own propane. We

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have electricity from from like
garbage pickup. No, no, we have

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we have a private service that
picks it up. Gillespie Waste

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Services. Yeah. Hey, let's be
literally these guys. You can

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call me say hey, I got a really
heavy rolled up carpet and no

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problem we can. These are great
guys. Or if I if I missed the

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pickup, it's happened. You know?
Oh, crap. I forgot to put it out

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Monday morning. I can text them
they'll come right back or at

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the end of the day. Commercial
servers. You guys are great.

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Anyway, turns out but here's
what happened last night, we get

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a text was on the group text.
And Larry and Jeanne who live in

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Fredericksburg. And they're a
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think, in their 60s, late 60s,
maybe 70. Still very active. Got

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business, but she had a bad fall
a week ago. So she's kind of you

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know, a little bit bedridden.
Larry gets the flu. And then

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when it's going down to 19
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they have I think it's they have
a nest, the city limited their

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heat to 70 degrees
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over with space heaters for
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You know that? Oh, we have to
conserve gas future. Sadly, it's

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the future. Yeah, you're right.

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John C Dvorak: Your temperature
is a little higher. We're going

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to turn it down from here from
Central. We're also going to

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take Central $100 out of your
bank account, if you don't mind.

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Adam Curry: For your carbon
credits. Your offset? I have

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other friends. And they they
live in Wimberley and they have

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city water Wimberly is small as
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sounds small is very small. Yep.
Paul Simon lives there is small,

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John C Dvorak: he does say hi.
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Adam Curry: know, he I don't
know if he's kind of in the

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community. I think he and Edie
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John C Dvorak: go over there and
say hi. All right to be in the

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biz. He hates me. Oh, well,
nevermind. And

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Adam Curry: I know because of
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dinners. I go Hey, say Hey,
Paul. And he say I hate you.

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Because you know, he's 414 said
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But he's four foot five. You
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say. He's like, Yeah,

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John C Dvorak: he has to yell at
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Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly. Hey,
I hate you. Get in line. Anyway,

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so our friends there, they knew
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and they have they have a
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sisters were there and you know,
so they have more people in

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their in the previous residence
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they've got the water company
calling saying you're using a

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lot more water. Well, yeah,
there's more people living here.

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We need you to we need you to
use less water. What the I mean,

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don't I pay the bill? Yeah, but
we need you to use it and they

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they're constantly calling and
harassing. That's the future.

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You're right. Yeah. It's not
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John C Dvorak: No,

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Adam Curry: you don't want it
not a good development. Well,

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speaking of not good. A new fat
leonard. You thought fat landed

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was bad. We've got an update. We
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Unknown: New at 10. A San
Antonio a woman is indicted

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after she allegedly stole more
than $100 million in army funds

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from Fort Sam Houston. A federal
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indictment today. Janet Yamanaka
Melo reportedly stole the funds

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while working as a civilian
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post. The indictment says she
used the money to buy millions

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of dollars worth of jewelry,
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estate. She's charged with 10
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20 years for each charge.

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Adam Curry: Audit the Pentagon
people this is ridiculous.

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John C Dvorak: That is I didn't
know the story. That is

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ludicrous. 100 million to
Christmas, somebody could steal

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$100 million right from under
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been spotty when she was up to
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Adam Curry: Well, that's just
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John C Dvorak: know, we're sure
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being still well, there's this.
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Unknown: it's a critical moment
for us supporting the war, a new

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report accusing us officials of
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half of the sophisticated
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sample that was under review.
The Defense Department's

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inspector general investigating
whether nearly 40,000 items such

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as Stinger balls and nightvision

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Adam Curry: Oh, nice NAT POP.
Did you hear that that was

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great. The Defense

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nearly 40,000 items such as
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vision sets were properly
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months after Russia invaded. The
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billion dollars worth of 1.7
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scrutiny were delinquent or not
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reports finding no evidence that
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has been misused or stolen. At
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time, there remains no credible
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Adam Curry: At this time, no
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Unknown: it comes with Congress
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to support Ukraine. Now these
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on ammunition. Well, you can
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American gun. But these
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scarcity of ammunition. The unit
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20 shells, they had around 200 a
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David a top US defense official
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the accounting procedures for
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practical in a hostile dynamic,
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Adam Curry: The accountants
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practical to count. And why why
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Brit doing this? This is this is
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button us so but there's not
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little bit. So there's there's a
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military industrial complex.
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and yes, in this case it is
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College London if you could just
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actually taking place in the
sky. Ukrainian officials said

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just eight out of 40 missiles in
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actually shot down. They see
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first of all the missiles that
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down by the air defenses but we
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defenses and as far as
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operations in the
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system would send out a signal
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to prevent the missile from
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wrong measurements to it. It's
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too. jamb GPS signals. And this
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instance, as well. So these are
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Ukrainians have been asking for
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is sensitive technology. So
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develop its own, while waste for
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have captured some electronic
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Russians and handing them to
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because Western allies cannot
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Ukraine. So Ukraine is on its
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Adam Curry: Yeah, all right.
Kings Cross college good sales

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job, lady. We need to we need an
order of those missile confusing

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things. Like giant magnet in the
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John C Dvorak: Says bogus. Well,

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Adam Curry: of course, they're
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just yet. But the UK just
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John C Dvorak: there and bucks.
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Adam Curry: then Rishi, Rishi
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and announced the deal and I
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standing there in Parliament.
And Volodymyr was there and

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everybody's all jacked and all
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Unknown: Lenski, you are an
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proud to call you a friend John
F. Kennedy once said of the

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great Winston Churchill, he
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and sent it into battle. Well,
Vladimir, you have done the

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same. And English isn't even
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this century has done more to
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defense of our values. So let me
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Adam Curry: you. Very good. How
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to Winston Churchill and himself
to himself to JFK, which is even

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even funnier, even weirder. So
he went on for the whole, you

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know, like a whole session like
we're gonna win, you're gonna do

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it for us go Volodymyr. And I
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gobble up that money. Because
there was a very interesting

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move made by BlackRock. And
Blackrock bought gap, which I I

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didn't know a gap was global
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bought it and I didn't know that
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thought they only took shares
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they're just sitting there
waiting for this billion or

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whatever billion the US Congress
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beginning of a real major asset
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demands that are going to
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and more infrastructure. I've
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matter, it's gonna be a harder
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continue to deficit finance. And
at the same time, there's a

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giant need to rebuild and build
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is the digital infrastructure,
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more engaged with AI and other
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sewer system and then overcharge
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got to be about gouging. What
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Adam Curry: Yeah, season of
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cloaking. Hey, we have we have
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company in the world or company,
we own your water company. Yeah,

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we own that and what airports
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airports, I think gap built
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They are in Canada just

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fees. It's the retail retails
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parking. It's and they also do
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John C Dvorak: Keep it all. But
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Adam Curry: Have you seen any
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John C Dvorak: No, I checked, I
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your last show. Was the latest?
It just seemed pretty dialed in.

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Adam Curry: It's so dull. And
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put tomatoes? You want to put
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John C Dvorak: How about me? You
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them to ripen a little more.
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Adam Curry: How are you with
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John C Dvorak: the Mimi's the
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Adam Curry: this comes from too
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John C Dvorak: Too many eggs.com
is the book that in which you

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get at least a free copy of
better hurry. Eggs when they're

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laid, and they have a coating on
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refrigerator. Just a pile until
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washing them as one but also
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Adam Curry: And something I get
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John C Dvorak: be yes. been
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egg area where you can put a yes

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Adam Curry: egg thing. So
everyone's out of ideas.

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Everything is AI has the Sony
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stage that he supposedly was
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John C Dvorak: yes, this is too
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Adam Curry: So the Siemens CEO,
this was interesting. For

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Siemens, I learned it's ximines,
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Avella. So the Zeeman CEO, had a
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expected that, you know, as far
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thought maybe washing machines,
you know, wow, you'll have a

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John C Dvorak: They do pretty
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Adam Curry: sent me a graph they
have. It wasn't as Siemens it

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was their washing machine and
it's connected. And it had

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transferred 10 gigabytes of data
in one month. Is what is it

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John C Dvorak: Maybe it's doing
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Adam Curry: is mining Bitcoin.

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John C Dvorak: There you go.
Mining Bitcoin or doing SETI,

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Adam Curry: you don't need
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Bitcoins, is the punch line. But
what is the washing machine

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doing? That it's transferring 10
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John C Dvorak: it's not stealing
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got to be like a Tor server. So
would you like to see a movie

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Adam Curry: So the Siemens guy
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probably my age, but 60 bald,
balding, so not completely bald

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because I do not like Bezos cool
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brother like a Steve Jobs mode.
I'm like you're the Siemens guy.

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And here's the big unveiling.
2024

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Unknown: is a turning point.
Today, we can build and use

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technology faster than ever.
Class, we can combine the real

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and the digital goals. And
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highly trained engineers to
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world. Infrastructure,
manufacturing, transportation,

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you name it. design cycles take
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the real world is expensive. And
mistakes cost billions,

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sometimes even lives. But this
is changing. The change has a

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name. The industrial Metaverse
is generating AI, and industrial

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Metaverse building and using
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and faster, a lot easier. And a
lot faster. Pass fast we will be

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able to accelerate innovation,
accelerate sustainability, yes

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and accelerate access to new
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vision for how AI and industrial
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and transform the way we live
work move on make. So

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Adam Curry: you're going to be
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have to come to work. So

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John C Dvorak: it's like I'm
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Adam Curry: The industrial
Metaverse did he not get the

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memo that the metaverse is is
out. They still he missed out

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somehow and he throws in
generative AI. Okay, that's you

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so you're gonna sit at home and
and you have your day that glove

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on ha man, I still have my
Nintendo data glove. Maybe I can

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be able to use that in the
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you'll and everyone will be able
to code. He saw it. He

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John C Dvorak: said that later.
Sure. Oh, yeah. You just you're

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just everybody wants to coach?

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Adam Curry: Yeah, well, you
know, it'll be business

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applications. Hey, I need to I
need to send them I need to send

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something to a mailing list. And
you can code it up. And this is

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the tech bubble is is expanding.
Except for maybe? Well,

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actually, yes. X. Linda yakka.
Reno, who is Elon CEO, she, she

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gave everybody an update, not an
audio or video. Unfortunately,

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she gave everybody an update
about what she calls X the X

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everything app. Here we go.
Whoa, there you go exactly as we

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predicted. Let me read because
it gave us some interesting

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insights. She says this week, we
made it clear the everything app

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is closer than everyone thinks.
Nothing can slow us down. X is

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part of a constellation of
companies working for the

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betterment of humanity of
humanity. We're moving fast for

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our community's creators and
businesses big themes for x this

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year, freedom of speech, a new
video ecosystem, and the power

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of AI. It's all coming to life
in plain sight. And in real

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time. Here's what we discussed
this week. X is an app for

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everyone. We're building an
information independence that's

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essential for society. From my
live stream collaboration with

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ces to new content partnerships
with Tulsi Gabbard, Don Lemon

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and Jim Rome. Talk about that.
And and you were right. I was

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wrong. They paid Don Lemon a lot
of money according to Kara

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Swisher who hangs out with Don
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Rome as well and Tulsi Gabbard

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John C Dvorak: got plenty money
to spend. We're

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Adam Curry: expanding
perspectives on x and unlocking

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new commercial opportunities.
We're building a new ecosystem

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video ecosystem with our
partners. There's never been

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more economic opportunity on X,
new shopping experiences,

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financial partnerships for
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your recruitment product. just
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John C Dvorak: You know, they're
changing the name again. They

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are going to change it to
America Online.

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Adam Curry: Yeah, that's you
know, that's funny. You say

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that. That's exactly what AOL
tried to be, isn't it? Yeah.

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Except they ruined it by letting
everybody into the internet now

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though. They're trying to this
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version of it. But

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John C Dvorak: it looks like it
looks like just the opposite

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going in the other direction.
Well, let's see if we can wean

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them from the internet. Yeah, I
put up and create a new AOL.

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Adam Curry: go yeah, they're
gonna and they're gonna buy,

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what can they buy? Can they then
reverse merger and buy discovery

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and buy all of that good.

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John C Dvorak: into trouble is
done. That devalue the book

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value of the company keeps going
down. So it'd be tough. Yeah.

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Adam Curry: I mean, when AOL
bought Time Warner, Time Warner

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was much bigger than AOL. Yeah.

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John C Dvorak: But AOL was the
net, the the book value was

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going up, up up, it was going
through the moon, AOL. So it

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looked like a good idea at the
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Adam Curry: whenever, whenever
an online thing, you know,

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starts to get into show
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And that's usually where things
go wrong. Good

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John C Dvorak: point this would
have with the Yahoo. If you

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remember when Terry Semel was
hilarious, I'm all right. I'm

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going to turn into a TV network.
But wait a minute, there already

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are TV networks, you got
something special, something

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different. Why don't you like
maximize what it can do? No TV

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network,

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Adam Curry: very similar to
like, Spotify did the same

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thing? Oh, we're going to be a
podcast. We're going to be the

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biggest podcast network in the
world. No. Radio have

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with podcasting or podcasters?

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Adam Curry: And they brought in
Hollywood people. I think that

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Joe Rogan was probably a good
hire for them. I'm sure he

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brought a lot of people over,
although I don't know if they

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all signed up for the $5.

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John C Dvorak: You know, I
wonder about that. I personally

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doubt it. I think that Rogan was
the guy who made out on that.

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Adam Curry: Oh, no doubt.

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John C Dvorak: But and
supposedly is we're gonna see

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that Don lemons gonna make out.
Yep. And we'll see somehow and

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Jim Rome, and Jim Rome who
already got more properties than

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Adam Curry: Yeah, I would say
get your money up front, Don,

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but it's gonna be great. I can't
wait for Don show. It's gonna be

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no, it's gonna be a clip bonanza

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John C Dvorak: of you're
probably right. Yeah,

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Adam Curry: I'm excited. I'm
excited. I'm excited for him,

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honestly. I mean, we, we all
know how we've just believed

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excoriated him at every move he
made. But you know, so I think

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it's pretty. It's either bold
and brazen, or completely

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oblivious to? Well, his
position, Musk

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John C Dvorak: did make the
comment that he likes it. He

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thinks this is proving that he's
on both sides of these arguments

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that he could put something like
that on. Yeah. And of course,

445
00:27:32,250 --> 00:27:35,460
the guys who already quit
Twitter, all these journalists,

446
00:27:35,910 --> 00:27:40,140
they've gone off to Mastodon
they and they call it the dead

447
00:27:40,140 --> 00:27:46,590
bird. You know, they burned it.
It's unbelievable how they've is

448
00:27:46,590 --> 00:27:51,720
there's various opinions on
Twitter. Now. They had to leave.

449
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:52,440
What

450
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,390
Adam Curry: since you bring that
up? I want to talk about

451
00:27:54,420 --> 00:27:58,530
activity pub for a moment. I
don't know. I don't know if

452
00:27:58,530 --> 00:28:02,250
anyone knows what activity Pub
is. I don't. Okay, activity. Pub

453
00:28:02,250 --> 00:28:05,640
is probably, in my estimation,
one of the most important

454
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,700
technologies open source
technologies of the past 10

455
00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:13,890
years. What activity pub does,
and I think was even developed,

456
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,100
it may might have been developed
15 years ago. It allows for

457
00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:22,290
decentralized, interrupt between
applications. So you don't have

458
00:28:22,290 --> 00:28:26,670
to have, you know, Google, in
between these disparate apps. In

459
00:28:26,670 --> 00:28:30,630
fact, we're actually using we're
using activity pub to

460
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:34,980
decentralize the podcast index.
Because if there's one weakness

461
00:28:34,980 --> 00:28:37,530
of what we set up with
podcasting, 2.0 is the actual

462
00:28:37,530 --> 00:28:40,920
index if they didn't come after
that, or whatever. I mean,

463
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:44,400
there's lots of copies around
but we you want to decentralize

464
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,760
it so that, you know, no one,
there's no one way to ruin

465
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,420
podcasting. So what activity Pub
is, it allows messages to be

466
00:28:51,420 --> 00:28:55,740
exchanged in what is commonly
known as the fediverse. So

467
00:28:55,740 --> 00:28:59,460
servers federate with each
other. That's what Macedon runs

468
00:28:59,460 --> 00:29:04,440
on. And this was known as glue
social before that. And of

469
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:09,240
course, six years ago, I set up
no agenda social was running it

470
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:15,990
from I think I had it on Amazon,
AWS. And it became a big project

471
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:19,920
technically, I couldn't handle
any more the updates, the the

472
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,630
infrastructure, it was becoming
very expensive. And I think

473
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:28,680
maybe did I run it for a year or
two? I'm thinking thinking

474
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,040
something like that. Matt
Hamilton, one of our producers

475
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:37,740
stepped in and took over no
agenda social.com in that in the

476
00:29:37,740 --> 00:29:40,380
very beginning and I was very
excited about the technology

477
00:29:40,380 --> 00:29:44,400
very excited about the federated
nature of it. So you can have an

478
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,780
account on one server and you
are jacked up I was I was very

479
00:29:48,780 --> 00:29:53,610
jacked up on it. It was great
because you can you can connect

480
00:29:53,610 --> 00:29:57,420
to someone else Epson, you know,
post messages, basically a

481
00:29:57,420 --> 00:30:01,020
social network between it didn't
didn't You could have a little

482
00:30:01,020 --> 00:30:03,480
server with just yourself and
your family, everybody could

483
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:08,670
communicate. The mistake I made,
which I didn't know, but I fully

484
00:30:08,670 --> 00:30:12,690
own it is i is my choice of
domain name, no agenda

485
00:30:12,690 --> 00:30:17,280
social.com, which of course
identifies with no agenda. So

486
00:30:17,310 --> 00:30:21,630
any messages posted on no agenda
social could always and can

487
00:30:21,630 --> 00:30:26,460
always be seen by this world of
federated servers. So even

488
00:30:26,460 --> 00:30:30,150
though if you're on your own
account, say, I know agenda

489
00:30:30,150 --> 00:30:32,700
social, and there's stuff you
don't want to see, you can block

490
00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:37,050
it. Everything that's coming
from no agenda social from us,

491
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:42,120
is always visible outside of, of
our server, and of course,

492
00:30:42,150 --> 00:30:46,140
associated to the outside world
with the show. So very quickly,

493
00:30:46,140 --> 00:30:50,130
we became one of the most
blocked instances. We were

494
00:30:50,130 --> 00:30:53,940
called Nazis que que que
Quadroon is free speech zone,

495
00:30:54,090 --> 00:30:56,700
which I kind of I kind of liked
the free speech zone, because

496
00:30:57,060 --> 00:31:00,750
there was no censoring, no one
got kicked off, except for

497
00:31:01,230 --> 00:31:03,570
actual illegal stuff. And there
was some of that in the

498
00:31:03,570 --> 00:31:08,220
beginning. And it was funny, but
the initial culture, it even the

499
00:31:08,220 --> 00:31:14,520
fediverse itself is very, very
dimension B. So you can know why

500
00:31:14,550 --> 00:31:16,950
you could understand why a lot
of people got very triggered

501
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:22,920
just by our general thinking. So
Matt, took it over, upheld the

502
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,450
same policy that I initiated no
censorship, free speech over

503
00:31:27,450 --> 00:31:30,600
time, and this has been going on
for you know, this, I've been

504
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,590
having this conversation on no
agenda social for months, this

505
00:31:34,590 --> 00:31:37,440
became a problem, I think,
likely because of the purges,

506
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,820
you know, we kept it at 10,000,
inactive accounts would get

507
00:31:41,820 --> 00:31:45,180
purged, more people could come
in, I think partially because of

508
00:31:45,180 --> 00:31:48,030
that, partially because of the
nature of social media, which

509
00:31:48,030 --> 00:31:52,080
is, obviously a societal
failure, content was being

510
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,350
posted, that you could block
that you didn't have to see, but

511
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:59,250
to the outside world, it
certainly did not reflect the

512
00:31:59,250 --> 00:32:03,120
nature of our show, or the
producers of this podcast, and I

513
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,670
was really getting fed up. I
didn't want to tolerate it

514
00:32:05,670 --> 00:32:09,210
anymore. So I'd advocated many
times that people move to

515
00:32:09,210 --> 00:32:12,240
smaller servers, you know, you
can, you can get, you can get

516
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,170
one out of the box, five bucks a
month, you could share that cost

517
00:32:16,170 --> 00:32:19,200
with a couple of people. But it
was so bad that hosting

518
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,710
companies that host Mastodon
instances, wouldn't even let

519
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:25,320
people set them up with no
agenda in the name because of

520
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:30,630
our reputation. So it would be
easy if we could just change the

521
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:35,220
name and have everybody go on
their merry way. Because I just

522
00:32:35,220 --> 00:32:38,070
I don't know about you. But I
didn't like the association that

523
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:40,410
we were having with a lot of the
there was a lot of garbage,

524
00:32:40,410 --> 00:32:42,960
there's hundreds of accounts
just posting garbage, and that's

525
00:32:42,990 --> 00:32:46,260
visible to the whole outside
world. So unfortunately, you

526
00:32:46,260 --> 00:32:48,870
can't change and I own the
domain name, then, you know,

527
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:52,470
just always let that go. It's
fine. We'll just run it. But you

528
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:55,350
can't change the name the domain
name without breaking

529
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:59,370
Federation. And that's that's
the I didn't realize that early

530
00:32:59,370 --> 00:33:00,270
on. Because

531
00:33:00,270 --> 00:33:04,230
John C Dvorak: it Well, now, you
know, so I would suggest having

532
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:06,990
gotten into more than a few
beefs with some of the losers on

533
00:33:06,990 --> 00:33:14,310
the on the no agenda social that
we kill the instance and start

534
00:33:14,340 --> 00:33:15,270
afresh?

535
00:33:15,780 --> 00:33:18,810
Adam Curry: Well, that is
exactly what Matt decided he

536
00:33:18,810 --> 00:33:22,140
took, I think, a brave stand, he
made the decision. It's better

537
00:33:22,140 --> 00:33:26,820
to start a new server and it's
at no authority dot social. And

538
00:33:26,850 --> 00:33:29,400
you can migrate your account to
it. That way you can keep your

539
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,430
fediverse followers is going to
break stuff, no doubt about it.

540
00:33:32,820 --> 00:33:35,730
And he's going to allow time for
people to migrate over. And I

541
00:33:35,730 --> 00:33:38,520
just wanted I wanted to take
this moment to thank Matt

542
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,900
Hamilton for being such a great,
kind, generous and a good

543
00:33:42,900 --> 00:33:45,840
steward of knowledge and the
social and for all the years of

544
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,900
his time, talent and treasure
that he put into maintaining it.

545
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:51,450
He's a real solid guy and
deserves a lot of praise and

546
00:33:51,450 --> 00:33:54,570
gratitude. Where's Aaron nurse
fit into the next chats? Matt?

547
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,230
Erina Matt is Erina Okay, his
name is Matt Hamilton.

548
00:33:58,860 --> 00:34:01,530
John C Dvorak: Aaron are so
exhausted him you you've doxxed

549
00:34:01,530 --> 00:34:02,280
him no, he

550
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,480
Adam Curry: says it right on his
account Matt Hamilton at no

551
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:13,800
Daxing so now, so everyone can
move over there. And that'll

552
00:34:13,830 --> 00:34:18,720
that'll be fine. It's it sucks
that we can't keep the name or

553
00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:21,150
the we can't change the name and
keep the server intact. That's

554
00:34:21,150 --> 00:34:24,450
really what bums me out. Because
it just breaks everything. That

555
00:34:24,450 --> 00:34:27,570
part really sucks. But we'll
have a new house. Oh, so

556
00:34:27,660 --> 00:34:30,780
John C Dvorak: no agenda social
will be no more at what dropped

557
00:34:30,780 --> 00:34:31,680
dead date. I

558
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,910
Adam Curry: don't know Matt and
Matt will figure that out. But

559
00:34:35,910 --> 00:34:41,550
people can already move over
today. So you can start

560
00:34:41,550 --> 00:34:46,020
migrating your stuff over. And
we hope to see you there, John.

561
00:34:47,310 --> 00:34:49,440
John C Dvorak: If I can't figure
it out, too hard for me.

562
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:55,920
Adam Curry: I'm sure you'll be
able to figure it out. All

563
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,720
right. Well, yes. Well,

564
00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:00,000
John C Dvorak: we're talking
about it change major change.

565
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,450
Ain't yours I want to play a
series of clips that I thought

566
00:35:03,450 --> 00:35:09,630
were fake to begin with. But it
was confirmed by the CEO of

567
00:35:09,630 --> 00:35:11,850
Cloudflare. Oh, this

568
00:35:11,850 --> 00:35:15,450
Adam Curry: video, I stopped
watching after about two minutes

569
00:35:15,450 --> 00:35:16,410
because I

570
00:35:16,410 --> 00:35:18,690
John C Dvorak: have the whole
thing because I think is I think

571
00:35:18,690 --> 00:35:21,780
is valuable. But now I thought
it was I just thought it might

572
00:35:21,930 --> 00:35:22,080
just

573
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,120
Adam Curry: say something. It
was uncomfortable for me.

574
00:35:24,810 --> 00:35:31,020
Because I have I have fired
friends. In my companies. I've

575
00:35:31,020 --> 00:35:32,820
fired you I think did my fire,
you

576
00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:36,210
John C Dvorak: know, you never
fired or demoted you. I had to

577
00:35:36,210 --> 00:35:39,510
have your salary. No, no, you
didn't demote me there I was. I

578
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:42,780
kept the job. But I got was a
cut MBA.

579
00:35:42,810 --> 00:35:45,330
Adam Curry: And I had to say,
Dude, I'm sorry, I gotta cut

580
00:35:45,330 --> 00:35:49,650
your I hate these calls. But But
I didn't at least I didn't

581
00:35:49,650 --> 00:35:52,470
chicken chicken out and have HR
do it.

582
00:35:53,250 --> 00:35:55,830
John C Dvorak: Or whoever what
this was this reason I was

583
00:35:55,830 --> 00:35:59,280
attracted to this clip is
because it was a reenactment

584
00:35:59,340 --> 00:36:05,940
almost, purge, almost word for
word of the script up in the air

585
00:36:05,940 --> 00:36:12,030
with Clooney. Now, if anyone
hasn't seen that movie, I think

586
00:36:12,030 --> 00:36:14,880
is one of the best movies done
by Clooney. It's just a

587
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,380
beautiful film. And it's about a
guy who is a professional at

588
00:36:19,380 --> 00:36:23,490
firing people, right? And they
are going to hire this girl who

589
00:36:23,490 --> 00:36:26,880
is going to be that she's the
new young kid that was going to

590
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,790
change it all. So nobody's going
to be fired in person anymore.

591
00:36:29,790 --> 00:36:33,060
It's all going to be done over
the over the computer exactly

592
00:36:33,060 --> 00:36:37,200
the way this was happening. So
this was right out of up in the

593
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,740
air. And I said, Well, there's
got to be a fake, because it was

594
00:36:40,740 --> 00:36:43,380
well miked. You could hear her
Oh,

595
00:36:43,410 --> 00:36:46,320
Adam Curry: you really? I mean,
it looks to me like she just had

596
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,510
her her phone set down.

597
00:36:48,540 --> 00:36:51,030
John C Dvorak: It was very, I
thought it was too professional,

598
00:36:51,150 --> 00:36:56,010
to be really honest. Yeah, I
was. I'm skeptical. I'm very

599
00:36:56,010 --> 00:36:58,920
skeptical of everything. Yes. So
I'm just skeptical of this being

600
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,470
just a fake, but then they had
Cloudflare. And I had to

601
00:37:01,470 --> 00:37:04,860
rationalize, well, were they
there? Was there any slander to

602
00:37:04,860 --> 00:37:07,530
Cloudflare? No, not really. I
don't think they could be sued,

603
00:37:07,530 --> 00:37:10,110
but they could be sued for
reputation. Or there could be

604
00:37:10,110 --> 00:37:13,980
some SEC action. So but anyway,
we went once the guy from cloud

605
00:37:13,980 --> 00:37:16,830
first flare came out and said,
Well, we're sorry this happened

606
00:37:16,830 --> 00:37:21,240
to I did but we we fire we fired
40 people we fire 40 people

607
00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:25,290
every quarter from the 1500
sales people that we have great

608
00:37:25,290 --> 00:37:29,010
Adam Curry: company every
quarter 40 Go isn't that stack

609
00:37:29,010 --> 00:37:30,600
ranking? Isn't that what that
is?

610
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,110
John C Dvorak: This is an
interesting point. Because stack

611
00:37:34,140 --> 00:37:37,680
stack the ranking never came up
in the conversation. But stack

612
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:43,560
ranking does stuff like that.
Yeah. stack ranking is I believe

613
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,690
is going on at Boeing. And
that's why Boeing is having

614
00:37:45,690 --> 00:37:48,990
these issues, because they
brought these GE guys into CEO

615
00:37:48,990 --> 00:37:52,380
Boeing. Yeah. And they're all
staggered rank rankers

616
00:37:52,380 --> 00:37:54,870
Adam Curry: yeah, there's that
and they then they fired 900

617
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:56,370
Quality Control guys.

618
00:37:57,180 --> 00:37:59,430
John C Dvorak: Well, yeah, that
was during the code that was

619
00:37:59,430 --> 00:38:00,870
just the VAX Yeah, we

620
00:38:00,900 --> 00:38:03,840
Adam Curry: one of our producers
wrote a whole list and I put it

621
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,900
in the show notes. Yeah, under
trains, good plains bad a whole

622
00:38:06,900 --> 00:38:10,560
list of all these things. And he
thinks it's definitely Boeing's

623
00:38:10,590 --> 00:38:15,120
mistake. This what the Mac the
most recent Mac's kerfuffle.

624
00:38:15,870 --> 00:38:16,140
Yeah,

625
00:38:16,140 --> 00:38:19,650
John C Dvorak: he's got nothing
good. He basically takes Boeing

626
00:38:19,650 --> 00:38:23,700
to task. But yeah, 900 Quality
Control guy, so which is the guy

627
00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:27,570
that you guys, you don't want to
fire but okay. So we go to this.

628
00:38:27,570 --> 00:38:30,750
So this woman found out in
advance that she's gonna get

629
00:38:30,750 --> 00:38:35,100
fired from her friend who got
fired a few minutes early, or a

630
00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:39,480
few hours earlier. And so she
got ready, got prepared and tape

631
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,870
the whole thing. And I want to
go over it with it in mind that

632
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:46,380
you and I both have enough
experience in the corporate

633
00:38:46,380 --> 00:38:50,550
world, that we can take these
both sides to task and some of

634
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:53,040
the mistakes that were made
along the way, I just think it'd

635
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:54,630
be nice to deconstruct good,

636
00:38:54,660 --> 00:38:57,360
Adam Curry: constructive or
deconstructive today.

637
00:38:59,850 --> 00:39:01,770
John C Dvorak: Let's go with
clip one. Hey,

638
00:39:01,770 --> 00:39:06,000
Unknown: Brittany. Hi. Yes, I'm
so sorry. My name is Rosie and

639
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:14,580
just joining the call. Nice to
meet you. Monday, HR team. Hi.

640
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,860
Thanks for meeting with me. And
Rosie. We have an important

641
00:39:19,860 --> 00:39:24,120
meeting today. script with
FaceTime valuations of 23

642
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:28,260
performance. That's where you've
not met clap our expectations

643
00:39:28,260 --> 00:39:32,130
for performance. We've decided
to part ways with you. Yeah,

644
00:39:32,190 --> 00:39:38,430
I'm gonna stop right there. So I
started August 25. I've been on

645
00:39:38,430 --> 00:39:41,460
a three month ramp. Okay,

646
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,820
Adam Curry: so first of all
script obvious, man and woman

647
00:39:44,850 --> 00:39:50,400
this is and this isn't I'm gonna
bet it's an outside HR firm. I

648
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,200
don't even think it's in house.

649
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:56,730
John C Dvorak: I had the same
feeling. I think the mistake

650
00:39:56,730 --> 00:40:00,450
immediately that these two
boneheads made were she's stop

651
00:40:00,450 --> 00:40:03,840
them from reading the script.
Yeah, yep, I'm gonna stop you're

652
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,080
right now and took over the
place that

653
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,420
Adam Curry: is not in their
script. There's no, there's

654
00:40:09,420 --> 00:40:14,700
probably in there if employee
starts crying and stuff like

655
00:40:14,700 --> 00:40:17,460
that, but not, I'm going to stop
you and I'm gonna get in your

656
00:40:17,460 --> 00:40:19,290
face with this now, probably
not.

657
00:40:19,980 --> 00:40:22,740
John C Dvorak: So good. So
that's a screw up on their part.

658
00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:26,250
I think the guy or the woman
when the two should have said,

659
00:40:26,250 --> 00:40:29,370
well, we'll let let me finish
first. Yeah, and then finish up

660
00:40:29,370 --> 00:40:32,220
the script. I agree. I agree.
But they didn't do that they

661
00:40:32,220 --> 00:40:36,480
Okay, whatever. And so this girl
went off on him, which means to

662
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,560
me that she probably is a good
salesperson to be able to pull

663
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,700
this off. Oh, good. I looked at
her watch. And I worked with a

664
00:40:44,700 --> 00:40:46,950
lot of different salespeople
mostly in publishing, but I've

665
00:40:46,980 --> 00:40:52,500
worked with do they have to go
out there and sell stuff? And I

666
00:40:52,500 --> 00:40:55,830
can recognize a reasonably good
salesperson kinda but she never

667
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,460
she says herself that she never
closed anything. Right? The

668
00:40:59,460 --> 00:41:02,040
three she was only there for
three months. I don't know how

669
00:41:02,610 --> 00:41:04,830
to close over the holiday. Yeah,
yes. Yeah, she

670
00:41:04,830 --> 00:41:07,290
Adam Curry: made a big point
about that, that she called it a

671
00:41:07,290 --> 00:41:12,270
ramp which I kind of like I'm on
my ramp on my sales. Guy

672
00:41:12,270 --> 00:41:15,690
John C Dvorak: who sent us the
insight on this was said that,

673
00:41:15,900 --> 00:41:18,060
because I asked him about what
some of these terms I didn't

674
00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:21,810
hear a few these they ramp to
him meant onboarding, which is

675
00:41:22,830 --> 00:41:25,350
probably what was going on. So
she was only really working

676
00:41:25,350 --> 00:41:30,090
there for a month or two. And
the CEO later says, Well, when

677
00:41:30,090 --> 00:41:33,060
we fired the 40 PA, we can tell
right away if somebody is no

678
00:41:33,060 --> 00:41:37,800
good. And I found that convinced
to that, bro. Okay, let's go on.

679
00:41:38,220 --> 00:41:43,470
Unknown: And then it was three
weeks of December, and then a

680
00:41:43,470 --> 00:41:49,380
week of Christmas. And then here
we are. I have had the highest

681
00:41:49,380 --> 00:41:55,140
activity amongst my team. Since
I've started, I have had three

682
00:41:55,140 --> 00:41:59,010
contracts out, done a really
great job managing my deals up

683
00:41:59,010 --> 00:42:03,720
until the very end that decided
not to close last minute. So I

684
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:07,680
don't think that that makes a
lot of sense. And when she

685
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,710
Adam Curry: says decided not to
close last minute to me, that

686
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:16,530
means these are dead deals. That
it's I mean, they won't matter

687
00:42:16,530 --> 00:42:21,150
to these HR people. But it
sounds like she did she did just

688
00:42:21,150 --> 00:42:23,760
didn't close. It's not like
they're gonna close and

689
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,590
John C Dvorak: she had three I
think three deals she couldn't

690
00:42:25,590 --> 00:42:28,260
close them couldn't which is a
problem. Yeah. But at the same

691
00:42:28,260 --> 00:42:31,770
time, we're dealing with
Thanksgiving, Christmas and New

692
00:42:31,770 --> 00:42:35,940
Years. That whole that whole
period is impossible. Any work

693
00:42:35,940 --> 00:42:37,680
that even nobody's around

694
00:42:37,710 --> 00:42:40,530
Adam Curry: even from November.
You're right. Okay. That

695
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,620
Unknown: makes a lot of sense
for me and my Cloudflare journey

696
00:42:43,620 --> 00:42:44,550
here so far.

697
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,590
Adam Curry: I love the
Cloudflare journey.

698
00:42:47,490 --> 00:42:49,380
John C Dvorak: I love the
journey, this Zoomers,

699
00:42:49,410 --> 00:42:53,010
Unknown: it's great. Also, every
single one on one I've had with

700
00:42:53,010 --> 00:42:56,700
my manager, every conversation
I've had with him has he has

701
00:42:56,790 --> 00:43:00,600
been given me nothing. But I am
doing a great job. I have had

702
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,470
great activity, I have really
great meetings, I'm picking up

703
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:05,790
the products very quickly.

704
00:43:05,820 --> 00:43:09,030
Adam Curry: By the way, with all
this sounds like great activity.

705
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:12,420
That's that's all coming out of
Salesforce. Salesforce is

706
00:43:12,420 --> 00:43:16,590
showing her activity being
great. You know what I mean?

707
00:43:16,590 --> 00:43:18,420
That's a good point. That's how
they track that

708
00:43:18,450 --> 00:43:21,630
Unknown: looking at the products
very quickly. And things have

709
00:43:21,630 --> 00:43:24,120
been going really, really well.
I make really great

710
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:29,550
relationships with my clients.
So I disagree that my

711
00:43:29,550 --> 00:43:33,600
performance hasn't been I
haven't met performance

712
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:38,970
expectations. When I certainly
have just because I haven't

713
00:43:38,970 --> 00:43:44,700
closed anything officially
officially here. Yeah. Why are

714
00:43:44,700 --> 00:43:47,820
you doing this? And not my
manager? Not you know, we've

715
00:43:47,820 --> 00:43:52,800
never met so that my manager has
no idea that this has been

716
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,230
happening and the director has
no idea that this has been

717
00:43:55,230 --> 00:44:01,020
happening. So I'm just
definitely confused. And yeah, I

718
00:44:01,020 --> 00:44:03,630
would love like an explanation
that makes sense.

719
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:09,090
Adam Curry: I'm confused. As
does every sales person. I mean,

720
00:44:09,090 --> 00:44:11,910
I've hired lots of salespeople.
You've, you've been around

721
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:14,400
you've you've I don't know, if
you've hired salespeople, I'm

722
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:19,350
sure you have actually. You give
someone a certain amount of time

723
00:44:19,650 --> 00:44:23,310
to close something because a
salesperson usually comes in

724
00:44:23,310 --> 00:44:27,000
with with a Rolodex. Even if
they're just starting out, you

725
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,420
know, it's like you're gonna
hire someone who has a contact.

726
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:35,100
So maybe it was her three
contacts. These were the ones

727
00:44:35,100 --> 00:44:39,210
and she couldn't close them. Now
then I'd say you know what? You

728
00:44:39,210 --> 00:44:41,790
didn't close on the things you
said you should close we need to

729
00:44:41,790 --> 00:44:43,170
find somebody else. But if

730
00:44:43,260 --> 00:44:45,240
John C Dvorak: there could be
some and she could be lying

731
00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:49,290
about the her interaction with
her boss could be could be one

732
00:44:49,290 --> 00:44:53,670
on one. We don't know. Yeah. And
I get the sense she's honest,

733
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:56,430
but I could be wrong because
some of these rumors you don't

734
00:44:56,430 --> 00:44:58,980
know I mean, we had they have
the reputation of not wanting to

735
00:44:58,980 --> 00:45:02,340
work at all. coming in late and
doing all this stuff she didn't

736
00:45:02,340 --> 00:45:05,130
seem like that she seemed like a
go getter no she seemed like a

737
00:45:05,460 --> 00:45:10,500
like a conscientious person and
she also seemed detail oriented

738
00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:14,280
the fact that you recorded this
and by the way, this is your

739
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,010
future nightmare for all
corporations who think they're

740
00:45:17,010 --> 00:45:20,970
going to get away with firing
people over over a zoom call

741
00:45:20,970 --> 00:45:22,170
you're not going to get away
with

742
00:45:22,170 --> 00:45:25,530
Adam Curry: it. Oh, you're
taking you're taking the the the

743
00:45:25,530 --> 00:45:26,550
Zoomer side here

744
00:45:26,730 --> 00:45:29,400
John C Dvorak: I am taking the
Zoomer say you have to stop this

745
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,210
has to stop immediately. Because
this is good. This kind of an

746
00:45:33,210 --> 00:45:36,690
embed dissuade Zoomers think,
well, wait a minute. I'm getting

747
00:45:36,690 --> 00:45:39,780
fired. Let me record the whole
thing. I think I'll document

748
00:45:39,780 --> 00:45:43,290
this. Oh, I just did. Let me
post it. Yeah, good points.

749
00:45:43,290 --> 00:45:47,220
Makes this makes Cloud Flare
look like a bunch of douche

750
00:45:47,220 --> 00:45:48,330
bags. And total

751
00:45:48,330 --> 00:45:51,810
Adam Curry: douche is Yeah. No,
I agree with that. But that's, I

752
00:45:51,810 --> 00:45:56,160
mean, that is that is Silicon
Valley. And it's interesting

753
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,250
that this is really one of the
few phone recordings we're

754
00:45:59,250 --> 00:46:04,260
seeing. Because this happened
constantly. Constantly.

755
00:46:04,290 --> 00:46:08,310
John C Dvorak: Yes, it's one of
the few This is she is setting a

756
00:46:08,310 --> 00:46:13,620
new bar now. This is not going
to be the first that we hear

757
00:46:13,620 --> 00:46:16,680
something like this until they
stop it because this This is

758
00:46:16,740 --> 00:46:17,760
embarrassing.

759
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,950
Adam Curry: The I hadn't even
this video was posted kind of

760
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:26,940
like look at this Cry Baby
Zoomer. And I think you're

761
00:46:26,940 --> 00:46:31,020
making some valid points here.
So there I am. Yes. There us why

762
00:46:31,020 --> 00:46:33,570
there's two of us. Onward. Yeah,
I

763
00:46:33,570 --> 00:46:36,300
Unknown: would love like an
explanation that makes sense.

764
00:46:40,500 --> 00:46:44,130
Adam Curry: Okay, you got me
100%. Yeah, with

765
00:46:44,130 --> 00:46:46,650
Unknown: love, like an
explanation that makes sense.

766
00:46:50,460 --> 00:46:58,350
Real quick, let me carve out two
threads. A ladder of why I'm on

767
00:46:58,350 --> 00:47:02,400
this conversation. I'll put that
one. The second half and Rosie

768
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:02,700
might be

769
00:47:02,700 --> 00:47:04,950
Adam Curry: better to explain
shooter said let's put a pin in

770
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:07,560
that that would have been
another boring moment. But he

771
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,400
made a carve out carve out let
me put a pin in that

772
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,660
Unknown: conversation. I'll put
that one. The second half and

773
00:47:15,660 --> 00:47:19,380
Rosie my feet better to explain
the process of let's circle back

774
00:47:19,470 --> 00:47:23,340
who's getting this information
in the prior piece, which is

775
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:28,620
your feedback and notes about
your performance? So we had no

776
00:47:29,220 --> 00:47:33,450
context to that. So just for
clarification, you are not being

777
00:47:33,450 --> 00:47:36,390
singled out on this. Your peers
are also being collectively

778
00:47:38,190 --> 00:47:41,220
performance as a collective
collaboration for Cloudflare

779
00:47:41,580 --> 00:47:43,890
Adam Curry: collective
calibration for Cloudflare

780
00:47:43,890 --> 00:47:49,320
Cloudflare Hmm, that that sounds
like a annual credit

781
00:47:50,940 --> 00:47:52,140
John C Dvorak: toward the bling
in there

782
00:47:52,140 --> 00:47:57,780
Adam Curry: to collective
calibration for Cloudflare SSL

783
00:47:57,780 --> 00:48:00,120
Unknown: performance as the
collective calibration for

784
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,080
Cloudflare so I just want to
clarify that piece. I won't be

785
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,750
able to add any kind of numbers
are we Yeah, no

786
00:48:06,750 --> 00:48:10,170
Can you explain for me why
Britney peach is getting let go.

787
00:48:11,490 --> 00:48:14,400
Adam Curry: I won't be able to
by the way, great porn name. I'm

788
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,760
sorry. No, I hate to say it but
Britney peach is a great name.

789
00:48:18,420 --> 00:48:20,850
John C Dvorak: Yeah, it's it
would be as peach it would be

790
00:48:20,850 --> 00:48:25,890
but her name is actually Pietsch
es kind of thing it's a

791
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:30,840
complicated even better. Well I
think No I think Brittany PHP e

792
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,590
AC E would be a good strippers
name.

793
00:48:34,620 --> 00:48:39,300
Adam Curry: It's also a good
name for a radio show. Hey

794
00:48:39,300 --> 00:48:43,560
middays Brittany peach with you.
Cheers. Berlin Britain

795
00:48:43,950 --> 00:48:46,890
John C Dvorak: there's a weather
girl on the Fox Weather Channel

796
00:48:46,890 --> 00:48:49,530
whose last name is freeze Oh no.

797
00:48:50,580 --> 00:48:53,820
Adam Curry: Hello I'm Brittany
freeze peach everybody Brittany

798
00:48:53,820 --> 00:48:55,200
Unknown: peaches getting let go

799
00:48:56,550 --> 00:48:59,130
I won't be able to go into
specifics for numbers

800
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:04,050
Wait why though? I just started
I've been working extremely hard

801
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:07,320
just because I haven't closed
anything that has nothing to do

802
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:11,940
with my performance on a three
month ramp with just one month

803
00:49:11,940 --> 00:49:15,000
with to halt major holidays in
the middle. I don't think that

804
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,560
has anything to do with why I
should be let go if that makes

805
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,350
sense. So I really need an
answer and an explanation as to

806
00:49:22,350 --> 00:49:26,910
why for EPs getting let go not
why Cloudflare decided to hire

807
00:49:26,910 --> 00:49:29,730
too many people then are now
actually realizing that they

808
00:49:29,730 --> 00:49:33,390
can't afford this many people.
If that's the real answer, I

809
00:49:33,390 --> 00:49:35,790
would rather just you tell me
that instead of making up some

810
00:49:35,790 --> 00:49:39,420
bullshit and telling you that it
was my job from someone that

811
00:49:39,420 --> 00:49:43,050
I've never met before, if you
can respect Okay, first of all

812
00:49:45,150 --> 00:49:47,100
Adam Curry: she shouldn't have
dropped the bullshit thing

813
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,210
that's too bad that kind of kind
of ruined everything the way she

814
00:49:51,210 --> 00:49:55,860
did it. And I have to give it to
her though. When I had to fire

815
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,730
everyone. We literally lost
clients it this was think new

816
00:49:59,730 --> 00:50:03,870
idea. This is before I knew you
had but it was the same with the

817
00:50:03,900 --> 00:50:07,620
with with POD show. We don't
have enough money to say we have

818
00:50:07,620 --> 00:50:11,700
to cut back. And I literally
said like, we lost clients. We

819
00:50:11,700 --> 00:50:14,610
don't have work for you. I'm
sorry, I gotta let you go. But

820
00:50:14,610 --> 00:50:20,700
that was the real reason. And
it, I would just guess that's

821
00:50:20,700 --> 00:50:23,310
the real reason Cloudflare is
letting people go.

822
00:50:25,290 --> 00:50:27,630
John C Dvorak: I would say yes
to that, too. And I think she

823
00:50:27,630 --> 00:50:31,950
was right when she nailed it. I
don't know. I don't object to

824
00:50:31,950 --> 00:50:34,830
the way she presented it
personally with the bullshit

825
00:50:34,830 --> 00:50:38,580
because that's one other but you
know, that's good. I think she,

826
00:50:38,670 --> 00:50:43,500
I think that's what is going on.
And that's what she pointed out.

827
00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:46,470
And she said, I'd rather you
fire me for that reason, which

828
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:49,290
is hey, we fired to me people.
Sorry. You're now at the bottom

829
00:50:49,290 --> 00:50:51,630
of the list here. You gotta you
gotta go. We can't do anything

830
00:50:51,630 --> 00:50:55,860
about it. Yeah, that would be
fine. And she, I think she would

831
00:50:55,860 --> 00:51:00,930
be happy with that. But not the
nonsense, happier. Um, it's

832
00:51:00,930 --> 00:51:02,280
Adam Curry: not joyful. But no,
she's

833
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,830
John C Dvorak: not gonna be
happy at all, but happier. Yeah.

834
00:51:05,370 --> 00:51:06,150
or less. Just

835
00:51:06,660 --> 00:51:09,000
Adam Curry: be honest. Be
honest. That's, I mean, I've

836
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,940
I've fired people. It's like,
you're fired. Here's why I'm not

837
00:51:11,940 --> 00:51:14,340
gonna, you know, they're not
going to pussyfoot around is

838
00:51:14,340 --> 00:51:18,390
like, you're fired. I gotta let
you go. And here's why. But,

839
00:51:18,420 --> 00:51:23,610
okay. I hated that so much. I
hated that so much. But I

840
00:51:23,610 --> 00:51:26,430
certainly didn't push it out and
let HR do it.

841
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:30,480
John C Dvorak: Yeah, you have to
do it yourself. Okay, onward. I

842
00:51:30,660 --> 00:51:33,960
Unknown: can totally respect
that. And I don't think DOM or

843
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:38,730
myself today is going to give
you any clarity or answers, it's

844
00:51:38,730 --> 00:51:43,920
going to meet the expectations
that you're communicating to us,

845
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,200
Brittany, so I can't speak to

846
00:51:46,890 --> 00:51:49,830
am I getting let go for no
reason. If you guys can't give

847
00:51:49,830 --> 00:51:51,150
me a reason, I'm

848
00:51:51,150 --> 00:51:55,140
happy to follow up with you
separately to give you the data

849
00:51:55,140 --> 00:52:00,840
that was calibrated for me to
speak with revenue leadership,

850
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,350
specifically, to see if we can
get that for you. But dominantly

851
00:52:04,350 --> 00:52:08,100
share that. I cannot share that
with you right now,

852
00:52:08,100 --> 00:52:09,030
unfortunately,

853
00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:11,760
Adam Curry: because she doesn't
have that data. It's

854
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,030
Unknown: understandable how you
feel and your frustration,

855
00:52:15,450 --> 00:52:18,720
cannot back to the script and
stress that and I have been

856
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:22,170
working extremely hard. Sorry, I
just knew that this meeting was

857
00:52:22,170 --> 00:52:24,990
coming after knowing what's been
happening with my peers and how

858
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,790
extremely frustrated and upset
everyone is. I know you guys

859
00:52:29,790 --> 00:52:31,950
must not be able to understand
that given the in the positions

860
00:52:31,950 --> 00:52:34,860
that you are in. And it must be
very easy for you to just have

861
00:52:34,860 --> 00:52:37,530
these little 10 minute 15 minute
meetings, tell someone that

862
00:52:37,530 --> 00:52:39,570
they're fired completely wreck
their whole life. And then

863
00:52:39,570 --> 00:52:43,920
that's it with no explanation.
That's traumatizing for people

864
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,010
traumatized, you can imagine
that and I don't. Well,

865
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:52,470
Adam Curry: now, back to the
Zoomer position. If these people

866
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:56,940
truly were thinking about the
people they're firing being,

867
00:52:56,940 --> 00:53:03,300
quote, unquote, humane, knowing
that this generation, and even

868
00:53:03,300 --> 00:53:07,470
the generation before her, I'm
just guessing, they'll have

869
00:53:07,470 --> 00:53:11,430
always had participation
trophies, and yeah, you're doing

870
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:14,940
great, it's okay. Don't worry
about it, it would have been

871
00:53:14,940 --> 00:53:19,740
much more it was much nicer to
have just blamed and on the

872
00:53:19,740 --> 00:53:22,530
company's position, which is
ultimately always the truth.

873
00:53:22,530 --> 00:53:26,520
Like, you know, it's not working
because we need more money and

874
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:30,630
you can't deliver but but not,
not this, you know?

875
00:53:33,180 --> 00:53:35,880
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I wonder
where this evolved from. I mean,

876
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,210
again, I refer back to the movie
up in the air, which was not

877
00:53:39,210 --> 00:53:42,180
about a tech company, but it was
the same kind of thing where you

878
00:53:42,180 --> 00:53:46,020
had this was a big, corporate
big corporation that had to do a

879
00:53:46,020 --> 00:53:53,010
lot of firing. And I'm trying to
think I didn't get fired a lot,

880
00:53:53,010 --> 00:53:54,150
but I I have

881
00:53:54,210 --> 00:53:55,890
Adam Curry: been That's
surprising.

882
00:53:58,140 --> 00:54:00,000
John C Dvorak: surprising to me,
well, because

883
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,470
Adam Curry: you brought in the
numbers you brought in the

884
00:54:01,470 --> 00:54:03,900
moolah, baby, you are the cash
cow. No

885
00:54:03,900 --> 00:54:05,970
John C Dvorak: one ever went
broke advertising next to a

886
00:54:05,970 --> 00:54:10,020
Devorah column, right? I'm
talking about but No, I'm

887
00:54:10,020 --> 00:54:15,030
talking about when I was younger
and working in factories and I

888
00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:17,580
was almost fired from
International Harvester one year

889
00:54:17,580 --> 00:54:21,870
but and I was taken in to the my
direct supervisor and he told me

890
00:54:21,870 --> 00:54:25,380
what was wrong and he said, You
have to stop that. And so I went

891
00:54:25,380 --> 00:54:29,130
back to work but it was there's
the there was this idea what I

892
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,580
what I'm interested in is this
third party which again would

893
00:54:32,580 --> 00:54:35,820
goes back to the movie, this
third party that comes in as

894
00:54:35,820 --> 00:54:39,900
they've is the hatchet man.
Yeah. And the hatchet man comes

895
00:54:39,900 --> 00:54:46,140
a week they had one of these at
IDG when I was working for info

896
00:54:46,140 --> 00:54:50,310
world, there was a hatchet man
known as it computer world, the

897
00:54:50,730 --> 00:54:53,280
cause Padma govern had to be
loved by everybody. And he was a

898
00:54:53,460 --> 00:54:58,080
nice guy slap on the back.
Everything's fantastic. And he

899
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:02,100
had a hatchet man named Walter
boy. Who was a kind of a gay

900
00:55:02,100 --> 00:55:07,140
character that wore an urban
coat. And he was very

901
00:55:07,140 --> 00:55:10,920
flamboyant. And he go in and he
just loved firing people, and he

902
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,250
would be the hatchet guy and he
come in with you, for me having

903
00:55:14,250 --> 00:55:16,920
a meeting with Walter Boyd,
you're out. And everybody knew

904
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,280
in advance, which is kind of
what this girl is going through

905
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,290
because she knew in advance that
she was gonna get fired by

906
00:55:22,290 --> 00:55:26,340
these. These these Newton nicks
and nobody knows who they are. I

907
00:55:26,340 --> 00:55:28,410
just wonder where this
professional, I

908
00:55:30,090 --> 00:55:32,310
Adam Curry: forget the name of
the company, but I always hear

909
00:55:32,310 --> 00:55:37,320
it advertised on CNBC. It's like
it's on tip my tongue. And you

910
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:41,040
hear these years people calling
him like, you even an employee

911
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,860
who has horrible body odor, and
I just don't know how to talk to

912
00:55:43,860 --> 00:55:47,640
him about it, then, yes, we have
an employee he was always late.

913
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,790
And the you know, so all and
then it's the payoff is don't

914
00:55:50,790 --> 00:55:52,980
worry, we'll come in, we'll take
care of it for you.

915
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:54,870
John C Dvorak: I don't know
this.

916
00:55:54,990 --> 00:55:58,170
Adam Curry: Oh, man. It's on the
tip of my tongue. I should.

917
00:56:00,060 --> 00:56:02,610
Yeah, it's an HR company. And

918
00:56:03,570 --> 00:56:05,760
John C Dvorak: interesting.
Yeah, well, it's somehow along

919
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,310
the lines has happened. So let's
go. What are we on clip three,

920
00:56:08,310 --> 00:56:09,900
Adam Curry: four, we're still
four, we're still foreign, we

921
00:56:09,900 --> 00:56:11,190
John C Dvorak: finish up. But we
still I

922
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:16,680
Unknown: don't think that this
is, it's just very, very

923
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,580
shocking, very, very shocking. I
have like, really given my whole

924
00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:24,780
energy and life over the last
four months to this job. And to

925
00:56:24,780 --> 00:56:29,310
be let go for no reason is like
a huge slap in the face from a

926
00:56:29,310 --> 00:56:32,550
company that I really want it to
believe in, I can

927
00:56:32,550 --> 00:56:35,910
absolutely understand how you
feel that way and why you feel

928
00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:38,700
that way. And I'll be honest
with you, there's nothing that

929
00:56:38,700 --> 00:56:41,940
we're going to say in this call
and the time that we have that's

930
00:56:41,940 --> 00:56:45,600
going to undo the way that you
feel right in this moment.

931
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:48,690
Adam Curry: Back to the script,
the way you feel right

932
00:56:48,690 --> 00:56:52,530
John C Dvorak: at this my love
this part of the time, we have

933
00:56:52,530 --> 00:56:55,590
another words you got your 10
minutes was what she said at the

934
00:56:55,590 --> 00:56:58,590
beginning of these 10 minute
call. Yeah. And this This call

935
00:56:58,590 --> 00:57:02,520
was nine minutes. In the time
that we have in other words,

936
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,020
shut up so you can get fire. So
we know the next time I or

937
00:57:07,020 --> 00:57:07,620
somebody else,

938
00:57:07,620 --> 00:57:11,190
Adam Curry: we gotta wrap this
up people. Were on the clock to

939
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:15,060
Lady Bethany beach. We're on the
clock here.

940
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,360
John C Dvorak: Yeah, pretty much
is what it amounted to. This is

941
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:19,680
the last clip by

942
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,110
Unknown: her saying we'll do
everything that I can to give

943
00:57:22,110 --> 00:57:26,970
you as much specific information
as I can, after this call. I

944
00:57:26,970 --> 00:57:30,570
can't make any promises. I
understand where you're coming

945
00:57:30,570 --> 00:57:35,790
from. I can tell you that
domande I do care. I understand

946
00:57:35,820 --> 00:57:40,260
the feeling that you have right
now. And I can't change that. So

947
00:57:40,260 --> 00:57:41,160
just beyond but

948
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:45,000
why can't so but there you guys
have still not given me a reason

949
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:50,910
why I'm being let go. Despite
constant positive praise from my

950
00:57:50,910 --> 00:57:56,010
manager, great meetings that I'm
having the amount of activity

951
00:57:56,010 --> 00:58:00,210
that I have has all been
positive. I have not received

952
00:58:00,210 --> 00:58:03,930
any negative inclination. I have
not been put on a performance

953
00:58:03,930 --> 00:58:08,520
improvement plan. Nothing so I

954
00:58:08,550 --> 00:58:11,730
Adam Curry: could not good
point. Performance Improvement

955
00:58:11,730 --> 00:58:15,300
Plan. I'm sure. I'm sure that's
a real thing. Yeah,

956
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,780
John C Dvorak: yes. In fact, our
guy who sent us our producers

957
00:58:18,780 --> 00:58:22,620
sent this stuff in was mentioned
a performance improvement plan

958
00:58:22,620 --> 00:58:28,380
is is code for it is a real
thing. And is Stein when you're

959
00:58:28,380 --> 00:58:31,080
screwing up and now they're
gonna start documenting it so

960
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,710
they can fire you with cause
there you go. I know they didn't

961
00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:38,190
do that with her. But again
before you finish it you have

962
00:58:38,190 --> 00:58:40,710
Adam Curry: another clip of this
by the way that you have a six

963
00:58:40,740 --> 00:58:41,520
this is five

964
00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:44,100
John C Dvorak: oh and then
there's off still stopped

965
00:58:44,100 --> 00:58:45,180
because you're gonna take
forever.

966
00:58:45,210 --> 00:58:47,730
Adam Curry: No, I want to hear
them all now. Yeah, I was gonna

967
00:58:47,730 --> 00:58:50,520
say was Britney's future.

968
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,180
John C Dvorak: Zoomers? You
know, when they're hired, and if

969
00:58:54,180 --> 00:58:57,210
they have the reputation that
they have of being super

970
00:58:57,210 --> 00:59:02,070
sensitive? It's possible that
their managers are kind of

971
00:59:02,070 --> 00:59:05,700
alerted to this and, and, and
have to treat them with kid

972
00:59:05,700 --> 00:59:08,970
gloves. And so you never get the
kind of feedback you need to

973
00:59:08,970 --> 00:59:13,140
say, Hey, you're not working
hard enough. Is I mean, so I'm

974
00:59:13,140 --> 00:59:17,250
at a crossroads at this part of
her discussion as to how much of

975
00:59:17,250 --> 00:59:23,280
this is her fault by virtue of
her peers and peer group of

976
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:28,980
Zoomers who are not known for
being hard workers. She and me

977
00:59:29,010 --> 00:59:32,430
but think they are diluted.

978
00:59:33,510 --> 00:59:35,340
Adam Curry: Let's let's get back
to the tape.

979
00:59:35,850 --> 00:59:39,840
Unknown: I cannot speak to what
your manager has communicated to

980
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,200
you directly. But that should be
the indication of poor

981
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,690
performance based on your
attainment and leading

982
00:59:45,690 --> 00:59:49,020
indicators of data. That is that
is the rationale.

983
00:59:49,020 --> 00:59:53,400
But I've been here for only a
month after ramping and that was

984
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,370
during the holiday. So I don't
understand what those Can you

985
00:59:56,370 --> 00:59:59,820
explain what those performance
metrics are? Or is that just

986
00:59:59,820 --> 01:00:04,440
like Have a vague term to give
to everyone that you're speaking

987
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:05,010
to today.

988
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,760
I will say that the performance
indicators of performance

989
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,730
metrics are well,

990
01:00:11,730 --> 01:00:14,010
Adam Curry: they are what did he
say that? Did he say force

991
01:00:14,010 --> 01:00:14,730
metrics?

992
01:00:15,900 --> 01:00:18,300
John C Dvorak: Sound or what he
said I think it was for spin

993
01:00:18,300 --> 01:00:18,420
that

994
01:00:18,930 --> 01:00:20,820
Adam Curry: that's probably
Salesforce metrics. This is how

995
01:00:20,850 --> 01:00:22,860
this is how you're Oh, you're
right.

996
01:00:22,860 --> 01:00:25,920
John C Dvorak: It has to be
forced forced metric Salesforce

997
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:27,870
would be, it would be yes.

998
01:00:29,550 --> 01:00:31,320
Unknown: To give to everyone
that you're speaking

999
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,000
Adam Curry: to performance,
people are saying where miss

1000
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,440
hearing it performance was
hearing.

1001
01:00:34,620 --> 01:00:37,290
Unknown: I'll say that the
performance indicators.

1002
01:00:38,790 --> 01:00:40,560
Adam Curry: Mommy's SS force
metrics,

1003
01:00:41,550 --> 01:00:43,650
John C Dvorak: performance based
on force metrics, he says

1004
01:00:43,650 --> 01:00:45,570
performance force metrics,

1005
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,480
Unknown: I'll say that the
performance indicators and

1006
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:54,750
performance metrics are while
they are specifics, there's no

1007
01:00:54,750 --> 01:00:56,820
situation will we will be able
to conceive,

1008
01:00:56,820 --> 01:01:00,300
I don't even know. Do you guys
even know? Like, why? Like who

1009
01:01:00,300 --> 01:01:04,650
you're talking to each day?
Like, every single 1015 minutes?

1010
01:01:04,650 --> 01:01:07,200
Do you guys even know who you're
talking to? Like, why you're

1011
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,650
letting these people go? When
you don't even understand like

1012
01:01:10,650 --> 01:01:13,110
the kind of work and everything
that they've put in?

1013
01:01:15,660 --> 01:01:17,490
I hear you what you saying that?

1014
01:01:19,020 --> 01:01:21,780
Adam Curry: No, no, no. Wow.

1015
01:01:22,530 --> 01:01:23,220
John C Dvorak: No, I wonder

1016
01:01:23,220 --> 01:01:27,600
Adam Curry: what this costs for.
For them to hire this team. They

1017
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:28,920
John C Dvorak: could have
probably kept around for another

1018
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,440
six months, or what costs are
these two? Right now? I was

1019
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:35,550
going back to force metrics.
This is kind of what happened

1020
01:01:35,550 --> 01:01:44,490
with shs it was together the big
the big bomb. No, SP it was SPS.

1021
01:01:44,490 --> 01:01:50,580
It was it was another big. It's
a big personnel software system.

1022
01:01:51,090 --> 01:01:54,720
Somebody should I only know
Bong. No, no, this is this is

1023
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:58,920
you if I keep thinking shs But
it might be something else. But

1024
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,710
it's like three letters or
couple of letters. And they're

1025
01:02:01,710 --> 01:02:04,980
the ones who have SLP. SAP SAP

1026
01:02:05,010 --> 01:02:09,030
Adam Curry: da. Thanks. net net.
Thanks, Mike. SAP

1027
01:02:09,330 --> 01:02:11,610
John C Dvorak: has built it,
which is a system that another

1028
01:02:11,610 --> 01:02:14,730
system have you implemented and
you don't have to do any

1029
01:02:14,730 --> 01:02:17,190
thinking because you don't have
to meet. Really understand your

1030
01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:21,570
employees. You did SAP does the
work for you. And SAP is

1031
01:02:21,900 --> 01:02:27,480
incorporated within it. I don't
know if it's from Jack Welch or

1032
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:31,740
they're the ones who first came
up with it. Rank stack ranking

1033
01:02:31,740 --> 01:02:35,550
ranking, right. Yeah. And so sap
would would create the stack

1034
01:02:35,550 --> 01:02:39,480
ranking situation and you'd get
to fire people without having to

1035
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:43,830
really do any. It's no surprise
and Microsoft stock and the

1036
01:02:43,830 --> 01:02:50,100
company has just skyrocketed.
Once they seemingly eliminated

1037
01:02:50,100 --> 01:02:53,280
stack ranking from his from
there. They don't do it anymore.

1038
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,490
As far as I know. Oh,
interesting. When Ballmer left

1039
01:02:56,490 --> 01:02:58,980
out it left with it. I think
Ballmer actually may have

1040
01:02:58,980 --> 01:03:01,650
cancelled it while he was there.
But it we didn't get to benefit

1041
01:03:01,650 --> 01:03:06,240
from it. And this is a very bad
system, because what it creates

1042
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:09,690
is stacked ranking creates. And
I think that this may be

1043
01:03:09,690 --> 01:03:14,970
incorporated into the Salesforce
thing. stack ranking creates a

1044
01:03:14,970 --> 01:03:19,740
environment that is very similar
to the TV show survivor, where

1045
01:03:19,740 --> 01:03:24,840
people scheme against one guy
they want to get rid of. It's a

1046
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:29,130
scam. It's not useful. No, no,
you end up getting rid of your

1047
01:03:29,130 --> 01:03:31,680
best people by accident, or by
shock.

1048
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,830
Adam Curry: limbers was a hero
for stuff like this people he

1049
01:03:34,830 --> 01:03:35,280
was Yeah,

1050
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:39,150
John C Dvorak: Jack Welch guy.
Yep, pretty much. Right? The

1051
01:03:39,150 --> 01:03:39,720
worst?

1052
01:03:40,770 --> 01:03:45,000
Adam Curry: Of the worst. We
have one more here. Okay, I hear

1053
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:45,630
you what you're

1054
01:03:45,630 --> 01:03:48,450
Unknown: saying. It just doesn't
make it it just doesn't make any

1055
01:03:48,450 --> 01:03:50,640
sense that you guys have still
not been able to give me a

1056
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,290
reason why I'm being let go.

1057
01:03:53,670 --> 01:03:58,050
from a process perspective, your
questions are valid. This isn't

1058
01:03:58,050 --> 01:04:00,900
gonna be the four scripts from
the situation where we're able

1059
01:04:00,900 --> 01:04:01,800
to go into the detail.

1060
01:04:02,550 --> 01:04:05,910
But then when if it's not right,
as I'm getting fired, it's

1061
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:08,190
certainly not going to be after
when I'm no longer part of the

1062
01:04:08,190 --> 01:04:08,760
company.

1063
01:04:09,330 --> 01:04:13,140
No, no, I don't think there's
anything we can say in this

1064
01:04:13,140 --> 01:04:16,140
moment or today, Brittany,
that's going to change the way

1065
01:04:16,140 --> 01:04:19,770
that you feel. And it's under
again, like understandable. I'm

1066
01:04:19,770 --> 01:04:22,410
taking notes and feedback, oil.

1067
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,040
Coming to the meeting,

1068
01:04:26,940 --> 01:04:29,970
it's not going to change the
outcome of a situation che so it

1069
01:04:29,970 --> 01:04:35,520
may be best if we do get into
more of the specifics of what

1070
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:39,120
the next steps are. Because I
think it's clear that you have

1071
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:43,440
questions that we cannot give
answers to. And if you'd be open

1072
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,920
to it, I'd love to move into
what the next steps are so that

1073
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:50,340
you're not any further
blindsided than you already

1074
01:04:50,340 --> 01:04:50,640
feel.

1075
01:04:50,670 --> 01:04:51,900
Adam Curry: Wrap it up. Okay.

1076
01:04:53,460 --> 01:04:57,960
Unknown: Thank you down. Again,
I'm really sorry that you're

1077
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:02,400
having this experience and
feeling this way. I want to

1078
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,550
confirm your personal email
address because that's where

1079
01:05:07,319 --> 01:05:10,319
Adam Curry: remember people when
you divorce please say to your

1080
01:05:10,319 --> 01:05:13,259
ex spouse or future ex spouse
I'm really sorry you're having

1081
01:05:13,259 --> 01:05:17,789
this experience it's really the
way to go it's really the way to

1082
01:05:17,789 --> 01:05:18,149
go

1083
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:21,690
John C Dvorak: I found this this
little bit to be this where I

1084
01:05:21,690 --> 01:05:28,350
slipped it and wanted to discuss
it because I think it portends

1085
01:05:28,350 --> 01:05:31,260
for a lot of interesting
situations down the road the

1086
01:05:31,260 --> 01:05:34,830
least of which is this this idea
that you're going to get some

1087
01:05:34,830 --> 01:05:38,490
and a zoom call and fire him and
get away with it yeah, I think

1088
01:05:38,490 --> 01:05:39,600
those days are over well the

1089
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:42,060
Adam Curry: troll room is
business all over this thing

1090
01:05:42,060 --> 01:05:44,970
that they know all kinds of
people are getting fired by zoom

1091
01:05:44,970 --> 01:05:46,410
it seems to be the standard

1092
01:05:47,010 --> 01:05:50,430
John C Dvorak: Yeah, we're
recording this. This is good

1093
01:05:50,430 --> 01:05:51,120
material.

1094
01:05:51,150 --> 01:05:53,910
Adam Curry: Yes a little long. I
could have done with a little

1095
01:05:53,910 --> 01:05:55,200
less but thank well I think

1096
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,120
John C Dvorak: I could have I
tried to cut it down but I

1097
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:00,300
decided to put the whole cloth
because I did have commentary

1098
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,160
Adam Curry: back to some news
because it's flu season

1099
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:08,730
Unknown: flu season is raging
fever, Jake's and runny noses.

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01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:12,690
Listen to these nap pops flu
season is raging fever, aches

1101
01:06:12,690 --> 01:06:16,440
and runny noses. Especially in
the south.

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01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:19,260
We have a very early start to
our flu season.

1103
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,110
Dr. Andy Shain is the head of
infectious diseases at

1104
01:06:22,110 --> 01:06:25,140
Children's Healthcare of
Atlanta, where cases of COVID

1105
01:06:25,140 --> 01:06:30,300
and both flu a and flu B are up.
She says the flu vaccine appears

1106
01:06:30,300 --> 01:06:33,420
to be working this year. The
problem is people aren't getting

1107
01:06:33,420 --> 01:06:33,840
the shot.

1108
01:06:34,050 --> 01:06:38,220
vaccination rates of children
are much lower this year. uptake

1109
01:06:38,220 --> 01:06:40,020
of vaccination has been less.

1110
01:06:40,110 --> 01:06:43,380
The CDC says numbers of
outpatient flu cases decreased

1111
01:06:43,380 --> 01:06:46,260
last week, but they have
remained higher than expected

1112
01:06:46,290 --> 01:06:50,100
since November. Altogether this
flu season there have been 14

1113
01:06:50,100 --> 01:06:54,630
million cases and nearly 10,000
deaths, numbers back to pre

1114
01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:58,440
pandemic levels, deadly
illnesses are hitting even those

1115
01:06:58,440 --> 01:06:59,730
young and healthy. What

1116
01:06:59,730 --> 01:07:02,070
Adam Curry: does that mean
levels back to pre pandemic

1117
01:07:02,070 --> 01:07:04,590
levels. Does that mean it's just
back to normal?

1118
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:06,780
John C Dvorak: Yes, what it
sounds like to me she

1119
01:07:06,780 --> 01:07:08,970
Adam Curry: makes it sound like
it's back to pre pandemic

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01:07:08,970 --> 01:07:10,530
levels. Yeah,

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01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:11,910
Unknown: normal sounds good
numbers

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01:07:11,940 --> 01:07:15,840
back to pre pandemic levels.
Deadly illnesses are hitting

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01:07:15,870 --> 01:07:19,680
even those young and healthy,
deadly illnesses like Quinton

1124
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:24,060
Thomas, a 27 year old father of
three died last week after his

1125
01:07:24,060 --> 01:07:28,890
family says he contracted flu A
and B at the same time know your

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01:07:28,890 --> 01:07:33,000
son was otherwise a very healthy
young man. Right?

1127
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:37,470
Hard working young man. Hard to
believe it's too

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01:07:37,470 --> 01:07:38,550
fast. It's too sudden.

1129
01:07:39,210 --> 01:07:42,120
He's distraught father Robert
telling us Quinton was

1130
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:45,960
unvaccinated. Are you gonna go
get vaccinated? Yeah,

1131
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,000
Adam Curry: probably. Yeah, I'm
going down.

1132
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:56,070
Unknown: grandbabies rounds with
vaccines remain the best defense

1133
01:07:56,100 --> 01:07:57,840
according to doctors, they

1134
01:07:57,870 --> 01:08:02,940
really are the optimal way and
the sort of foundation of all of

1135
01:08:02,940 --> 01:08:07,140
the efforts that we recommend to
prevent the transmission of flu

1136
01:08:07,140 --> 01:08:08,670
and COVID So

1137
01:08:08,670 --> 01:08:11,100
Adam Curry: keep the vaccines
common for everything and

1138
01:08:11,100 --> 01:08:13,800
anything it's all great even
though the flu shot really

1139
01:08:13,830 --> 01:08:16,230
doesn't work at least 50% of the
time.

1140
01:08:16,349 --> 01:08:18,389
John C Dvorak: Now here's the
thing that bothers me because I

1141
01:08:18,389 --> 01:08:23,159
was watching some news this
morning and the news cast was

1142
01:08:23,159 --> 01:08:26,039
bragging about all the good work
they do for the community but

1143
01:08:26,039 --> 01:08:30,749
never about covering news. The
news here that needs to be

1144
01:08:30,749 --> 01:08:35,939
covered is why we'll all of a
sudden we added the blue MB the

1145
01:08:35,939 --> 01:08:42,779
vaccine hesitancy hesitancy has
become so inculcated within the

1146
01:08:42,779 --> 01:08:46,469
population as a whole people are
very skeptical about these

1147
01:08:46,469 --> 01:08:51,479
vaccines now thank thanks to who
How did that happen? The Hobbit

1148
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,039
An explanation for that.

1149
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:55,890
Adam Curry: I have the
explanation. Well, we

1150
01:08:55,890 --> 01:08:58,440
John C Dvorak: both that we did
the show has the explanation but

1151
01:08:58,440 --> 01:08:59,520
it's because we do have

1152
01:08:59,550 --> 01:09:02,970
Adam Curry: is because of the
Dark Horse podcast. Brett

1153
01:09:02,970 --> 01:09:08,040
Weinstein which I have to talk
about him in a second. But

1154
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:12,360
first, this continues because
doctors are very alarmed. This

1155
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:15,420
Unknown: is the first time I
have known the flu to be

1156
01:09:15,689 --> 01:09:19,499
horrible. Mary Stein and her
three year old son James have

1157
01:09:19,499 --> 01:09:22,019
spent the last few nights in the
Dallas hospital.

1158
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,860
His cough got so strong and so
hard. We've been here since

1159
01:09:25,860 --> 01:09:30,600
Wednesday night diagnosed with
flu A and then that turned into

1160
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:31,860
right side pneumonia.

1161
01:09:31,950 --> 01:09:35,400
Coughing kids have kept Dr.
Stephanie a tee up with Dallas

1162
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:37,860
Medical City Children's Hospital
busy for

1163
01:09:37,859 --> 01:09:41,369
months, we're seeing more flu
this year than we did last year

1164
01:09:41,369 --> 01:09:42,269
or the year before.

1165
01:09:42,330 --> 01:09:46,050
Nationally, the number of flu
cases has decreased. But in

1166
01:09:46,050 --> 01:09:50,250
southern states flu activity is
still high, including in Dallas

1167
01:09:50,250 --> 01:09:53,730
County, where almost 20% of
tests are positive.

1168
01:09:53,789 --> 01:09:56,189
One thing that's a little
unusual this flu season is that

1169
01:09:56,189 --> 01:10:00,209
we're seeing both flu a and flu
be more or less at the Same

1170
01:10:00,209 --> 01:10:00,599
time,

1171
01:10:00,690 --> 01:10:04,620
lower vaccination rates could be
to blame. Less than half of

1172
01:10:04,620 --> 01:10:08,460
adults and children have gotten
the latest flu vaccine, the

1173
01:10:08,460 --> 01:10:09,840
lowest in five years.

1174
01:10:10,290 --> 01:10:13,770
I think there definitely is some
vaccine fatigue out there. From

1175
01:10:13,770 --> 01:10:16,050
the last couple of years. He
sounds pretty good.

1176
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:20,040
Stein says she is getting her
son's flu shot this year, and

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01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:21,600
urges parents to take the

1178
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,130
flu seriously,

1179
01:10:23,190 --> 01:10:28,440
I would definitely go with your
gut, listen to your instincts

1180
01:10:28,470 --> 01:10:32,880
and either get the flu shot or
be very proactive in your

1181
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:34,740
treatments. Doctors

1182
01:10:34,740 --> 01:10:37,320
say it's still not too late to
get the flu shot.

1183
01:10:37,350 --> 01:10:40,290
And they also say if you're
sick, don't go to work. If your

1184
01:10:40,290 --> 01:10:44,580
kids are sick, don't send them
to school. Staying home could

1185
01:10:44,580 --> 01:10:45,750
help stop the spread.

1186
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:48,210
Nor we know the flu is deadly.

1187
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:51,330
Adam Curry: Flu rather now.

1188
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:54,600
John C Dvorak: So can I just
interject something here? Of

1189
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,840
course, because I haven't taken
the flu shot for, I don't know,

1190
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:02,640
20 years. And I did in 2017
catch something that appeared to

1191
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,940
be the flu and I would I always
have at the ready and every time

1192
01:11:05,940 --> 01:11:07,920
I mentioned this to a doctor,
they say oh yeah, that's a

1193
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:08,490
pretty good idea.

1194
01:11:08,490 --> 01:11:12,750
Adam Curry: You OD on vitamin
d3. No, no. Oh, Tamiflu,

1195
01:11:13,380 --> 01:11:16,140
John C Dvorak: Tamiflu and
Relenza, right, right, right. So

1196
01:11:16,260 --> 01:11:20,520
these are two products that
stopped a flu in its tracks,

1197
01:11:21,210 --> 01:11:25,710
literally, and they work. I
think Relenza might work a

1198
01:11:25,710 --> 01:11:28,800
little better than Tamiflu. And
they supposedly Relenza works

1199
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:33,060
against bird flu. Nobody. Why is
this not even mentioned in these

1200
01:11:33,060 --> 01:11:36,630
reports? That if you catch if
you have a hint that you're

1201
01:11:36,630 --> 01:11:39,810
catching the flu, you would take
one of these products if you

1202
01:11:39,810 --> 01:11:43,170
weren't maybe weren't
vaccinated? Because the getting

1203
01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:46,800
endless flu vaccinations seems
futile anyway.

1204
01:11:46,890 --> 01:11:50,670
Adam Curry: Well, I'm just going
to guess that Tamiflu didn't get

1205
01:11:50,670 --> 01:11:53,970
John C Dvorak: any money from
GlaxoSmithKline because you guys

1206
01:11:53,970 --> 01:11:54,180
are gonna

1207
01:11:54,180 --> 01:11:57,720
Adam Curry: guess that is
generic. Would that be crazy? I

1208
01:11:57,720 --> 01:11:59,910
mean, Tamiflu seems like Tamiflu

1209
01:11:59,910 --> 01:12:02,820
John C Dvorak: is generic at
this point, but not real ends. I

1210
01:12:02,820 --> 01:12:07,290
think it's still only available
through Glaxo Tamiflu

1211
01:12:07,710 --> 01:12:11,940
Adam Curry: was generic as of
2018. Yeah,

1212
01:12:11,940 --> 01:12:15,210
John C Dvorak: so it's a screw
them. Yeah. Screw that pelvic

1213
01:12:15,210 --> 01:12:18,600
for actually educating people
Tamiflu. So I, you know,

1214
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:21,480
everyone would say well, I get I
get some more Tamiflu because it

1215
01:12:21,480 --> 01:12:25,740
does. has a long shelf life, but
it has an expiration date that I

1216
01:12:25,740 --> 01:12:29,610
think is bogus, whatever. And
the doctor, I said, I said, What

1217
01:12:29,610 --> 01:12:32,220
do you need Tamiflu for it? So
just in case, if I get the flu,

1218
01:12:32,220 --> 01:12:34,680
I like to have some towel flew
around. So I don't have to, you

1219
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:37,980
know, hustle around to get all
it's a great idea. They always

1220
01:12:37,980 --> 01:12:40,830
say that. Oh, yeah, that's a
great idea.

1221
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:44,790
Adam Curry: And America's
favorite doctor, Dr. DeVore.

1222
01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:45,540
Rock, everybody

1223
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:49,470
John C Dvorak: in America is
telling me it's a great idea.

1224
01:12:49,470 --> 01:12:51,720
America's retirement idea, man.

1225
01:12:53,370 --> 01:12:55,560
Adam Curry: I have a question. I
have a question. Idea. Man. I

1226
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:59,670
got a question. I got a
question. Isn't it rare that

1227
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:04,140
what I was understood is the flu
vaccine vaccination was always

1228
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:07,410
kind of a guess. But they they
had some data and say, well,

1229
01:13:07,650 --> 01:13:12,210
it's either gonna be flu a or
flu b this year. So

1230
01:13:12,210 --> 01:13:14,580
John C Dvorak: that they had
three, three choices, usually.

1231
01:13:15,090 --> 01:13:16,110
But, but

1232
01:13:16,110 --> 01:13:18,720
Adam Curry: it was always like,
Okay, you take, okay, flu, A, B,

1233
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:22,020
or C, but I think a or b is what
I remember. And they would make

1234
01:13:22,020 --> 01:13:25,200
the vaccine with a and sometimes
they would guess wrong, and

1235
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:27,660
everyone you know, the shot
would be worthless. Oh,

1236
01:13:27,660 --> 01:13:30,210
John C Dvorak: it happens. All
it happened about oh, but during

1237
01:13:30,210 --> 01:13:33,060
this show era? Yeah, a couple
times, I think about five or six

1238
01:13:33,060 --> 01:13:37,440
years ago, they had these all
the they had all these shots,

1239
01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:39,660
and there was getting a shot.
And then there was some

1240
01:13:39,690 --> 01:13:44,760
California variant. I
specifically remember this, and

1241
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:46,080
everybody got sick.

1242
01:13:46,590 --> 01:13:50,190
Adam Curry: But But have you I
don't recall a time when the A

1243
01:13:50,190 --> 01:13:54,150
and the B was out. I thought it
was always a or b. I don't

1244
01:13:54,150 --> 01:13:54,810
remember no,

1245
01:13:54,810 --> 01:13:56,550
John C Dvorak: no, my
understanding that there's three

1246
01:13:56,550 --> 01:13:59,610
blended in there all at all
times three of them. And they

1247
01:13:59,610 --> 01:14:03,780
pay and they get it from
Australia. No. Oh, yes. Because

1248
01:14:03,780 --> 01:14:06,690
Australia is outside of China.
And then they go and they say

1249
01:14:06,690 --> 01:14:09,390
well, what, what do you think is
going to be what's the most

1250
01:14:09,390 --> 01:14:12,060
popular where everyone seems to
be getting sick from this one.

1251
01:14:12,060 --> 01:14:13,800
So let's manufacture a vaccine.

1252
01:14:13,830 --> 01:14:17,190
Adam Curry: Oh, because they are
six months ahead? Yeah. So

1253
01:14:17,190 --> 01:14:20,130
they're like, they're like our
crash test dummies?

1254
01:14:21,420 --> 01:14:24,900
John C Dvorak: Yeah. So I don't
know what they do. So

1255
01:14:24,900 --> 01:14:26,760
Adam Curry: anyway, Well,
speaking of Australia, do you

1256
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:32,400
remember when Australia had a
vaccine for COVID? Yeah. And it

1257
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:36,780
contained HIV. Remember that? I

1258
01:14:36,780 --> 01:14:38,610
John C Dvorak: thought that wait
a minute, I thought if you

1259
01:14:38,610 --> 01:14:42,810
remember when this all began,
and that French guy, the French

1260
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:47,130
Nobel Prize winner came out and
looked at the at the construct

1261
01:14:47,130 --> 01:14:50,970
of the of the virus and he says,
Oh, he's the one who said

1262
01:14:50,970 --> 01:14:52,320
there's HIV in it.

1263
01:14:52,530 --> 01:14:54,780
Adam Curry: The virus, the virus
or the vaccine.

1264
01:14:56,940 --> 01:14:58,140
John C Dvorak: The virus, the

1265
01:14:58,140 --> 01:15:00,360
Adam Curry: virus, okay. He said
this age Shaheed

1266
01:15:00,690 --> 01:15:04,980
John C Dvorak: HIV and the virus
and his supposition was they

1267
01:15:04,980 --> 01:15:09,030
were trying to create he didn't
have a positive attitude about

1268
01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:13,920
it. He says this looks like they
were trying to create a vaccine

1269
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:17,130
that could, because it was
impossible to get HIV vaccine

1270
01:15:17,130 --> 01:15:21,300
doesn't exist because they can't
crack some wall or something.

1271
01:15:21,300 --> 01:15:26,520
And they were thinking this
might be a kind of a half assed

1272
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:29,220
way in to get people

1273
01:15:31,860 --> 01:15:32,790
Adam Curry: immunized.

1274
01:15:34,500 --> 01:15:37,830
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that's what
his theory wasn't. So there were

1275
01:15:37,830 --> 01:15:41,250
and so he's because everyone
said there was HIV. And in the,

1276
01:15:41,790 --> 01:15:45,630
in the created virus, the COVID,
the first batch that came went

1277
01:15:45,630 --> 01:15:46,020
through,

1278
01:15:46,650 --> 01:15:51,930
Adam Curry: well, Deborah Birx
commander Burke's Rear Admiral

1279
01:15:51,930 --> 01:15:59,970
Burke's, your buddy, to she aged
dramatically. Just a couple of

1280
01:15:59,970 --> 01:16:02,580
years, her I've been her face is
just I

1281
01:16:02,580 --> 01:16:05,700
John C Dvorak: think like a
party. You know, I think there's

1282
01:16:05,700 --> 01:16:12,300
something to the the idea of a
of a, what to call it a vibe,

1283
01:16:12,300 --> 01:16:16,380
or, or a hey, hate vibe, or
something that goes through

1284
01:16:17,820 --> 01:16:21,720
black matter and black energy of
the universe, and it goes in and

1285
01:16:21,750 --> 01:16:26,970
it lands on somebody eats you
up. And it eats you up? Yeah,

1286
01:16:27,150 --> 01:16:29,040
well, I'm almost convinced of
this.

1287
01:16:29,070 --> 01:16:31,830
Adam Curry: Well, that's what
she looks like. And she was on

1288
01:16:31,830 --> 01:16:37,590
news nation with the Cuomo kid.
And this clip, left me with more

1289
01:16:37,590 --> 01:16:40,530
questions than I could ever have
comparisons

1290
01:16:40,530 --> 01:16:43,920
Unknown: to HIV, you've done a
ton of research in this. Do you

1291
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,530
believe this was a false flag?
Is there something that

1292
01:16:46,530 --> 01:16:49,590
contextually people need to
understand about that

1293
01:16:49,590 --> 01:16:53,790
comparison, or is this much
darker potential reality than we

1294
01:16:53,790 --> 01:16:54,120
knew?

1295
01:16:54,540 --> 01:16:59,970
The reason that comparison to
HIV is important is because HIV

1296
01:16:59,970 --> 01:17:03,870
was also asymptomatic. I mean,
you couldn't see the virus

1297
01:17:03,870 --> 01:17:07,470
through symptoms because people
were infected for 789 years

1298
01:17:07,470 --> 01:17:12,000
before they develop symptoms.
But HIV quietly destroyed our

1299
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:16,200
immune system. And we learned a
lot about immunology from HIV,

1300
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:19,680
and it's changed completely our
cancer therapy. We're learning

1301
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:25,740
now about mitochondria and viral
impact and brain fog and the

1302
01:17:25,740 --> 01:17:31,050
changes in our neurons and the
cells that nourish our neurons

1303
01:17:31,050 --> 01:17:35,370
that really allow us to think
and move. And we're learning

1304
01:17:35,370 --> 01:17:38,760
that because what have long
COVID has done. And so there's

1305
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:42,180
two sides of this coin every
time. There's a lot of

1306
01:17:42,180 --> 01:17:46,530
destruction that mild and
moderate COVID can do that is on

1307
01:17:46,530 --> 01:17:49,860
scene, just like HIV was
destroying our immune system.

1308
01:17:49,860 --> 01:17:54,150
But what came out of that is
brilliant science that changed

1309
01:17:54,150 --> 01:17:57,030
how we treated HIV. And if
you're diagnosed today, you can

1310
01:17:57,030 --> 01:18:02,070
live a very normal lifespan. And
people not only survive, but

1311
01:18:02,070 --> 01:18:05,160
thrive, we need to get to the
place where people with long

1312
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:09,060
COVID We've done the research so
that people with long COVID can

1313
01:18:09,060 --> 01:18:10,830
not only survive, but thrive.

1314
01:18:12,090 --> 01:18:14,760
Adam Curry: I mean, first of
all, the Como kid starts off

1315
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:19,410
with false flag. I don't know
the context of that. But then

1316
01:18:19,410 --> 01:18:22,740
she ended up with survive, but
thrive, which sounds like a

1317
01:18:22,740 --> 01:18:27,630
marketing slogan to me, though,
and it sounds like there's some

1318
01:18:27,630 --> 01:18:33,630
prep, medication coming out for
long COVID or something that you

1319
01:18:33,630 --> 01:18:37,680
can take every day kind of like
a statin. So even if you're

1320
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:40,680
infected for seven, eight years
with COVID and don't know it,

1321
01:18:41,100 --> 01:18:44,070
you'll survive and thrive, the
whole thing stinks.

1322
01:18:44,820 --> 01:18:47,310
John C Dvorak: And she does not
know how to bring it up as a

1323
01:18:47,310 --> 01:18:50,700
marketing phrase. Although they
could it would be funny if the

1324
01:18:50,700 --> 01:18:52,230
drug was just ivermectin

1325
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:58,050
Adam Curry: in a capsule. She
also I mean, first of all, she

1326
01:18:58,050 --> 01:19:02,850
says, we didn't know HIV people
had. I mean, she was on the HIV

1327
01:19:02,850 --> 01:19:07,080
team with Fauci. So these people
are experts in in all of this

1328
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:13,800
stuff. And, you know, I was
close to a lot of that. And, you

1329
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:16,770
know, there was no seven eight
years was like, Oh, you got

1330
01:19:16,770 --> 01:19:18,990
AIDS, you're gonna die. And then
they were they went into

1331
01:19:18,990 --> 01:19:23,280
hospital, they gave him AZT, a
cancer failed cancer drug, which

1332
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:25,170
is what you said, Well, we
learned a lot about cancer from

1333
01:19:25,170 --> 01:19:30,240
age. Yeah, we learned that AZT
is a bad drug. It was killed. It

1334
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:34,140
was killing this whole thing
stinks. We got to keep our eye

1335
01:19:34,140 --> 01:19:38,010
on Burks now that we are done
with her I'm surprised and maybe

1336
01:19:38,010 --> 01:19:41,340
because she's involved with
death that she looks like that.

1337
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:45,720
You think it's the black energy
from from people hating her but

1338
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:50,340
I think she's just around death
medicine all day around death

1339
01:19:50,340 --> 01:19:57,090
ideas. Maybe it's disturbing.
Okay, I need to talk about Brett

1340
01:19:57,090 --> 01:19:57,660
and Heather.

1341
01:19:59,130 --> 01:20:01,920
John C Dvorak: Because I go Get
to note that Jay Jay that

1342
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:03,900
somebody said to notes Oh, dude,

1343
01:20:03,930 --> 01:20:09,780
Adam Curry: I got 20 emails. And
I have to say 19 of them. Very

1344
01:20:09,780 --> 01:20:14,220
nice, saying, Hey, you're wrong
about Breton. Heather, this is

1345
01:20:14,220 --> 01:20:19,680
the dark horse podcast. Yes,
they had we weren't wrong

1346
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:22,320
because we said, you know, Hey,
dude, be we're all in on

1347
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:23,490
everything in the beginning.

1348
01:20:23,970 --> 01:20:27,000
John C Dvorak: Well, he No, he
just did yesterday. He just

1349
01:20:27,030 --> 01:20:27,600
village.

1350
01:20:28,440 --> 01:20:30,360
Adam Curry: I have the clips.
Don't just stick with me.

1351
01:20:31,590 --> 01:20:33,930
John C Dvorak: Okay, all right.
So as the tweet is in there,

1352
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:35,550
yeah, yes.

1353
01:20:36,660 --> 01:20:39,690
Adam Curry: Go ahead. Yes.
Yesterday, he tweeted, slashed

1354
01:20:39,690 --> 01:20:43,410
on X, whatever. I'm deleting
this tweet about masks being

1355
01:20:43,410 --> 01:20:48,720
great. Exactly. Because people
keep retweeting it, and it makes

1356
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:52,230
me sound like a douchebag. Okay,
fine. Then he did the I think

1357
01:20:52,230 --> 01:20:55,110
that's the point that people
were making. They were saying,

1358
01:20:55,110 --> 01:20:58,680
hey, you know, they had Mayor
culpa was all over the place.

1359
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:02,070
They were wrong. They're wrong.
I although I believe they were

1360
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:07,020
pro j&j vaccine, they were
definitely anti mRNA. And they

1361
01:21:07,020 --> 01:21:10,410
woke up along the way. So you
know, there was only one person

1362
01:21:10,410 --> 01:21:13,230
who was like, Stop shooting
another bad cat or whatever.

1363
01:21:13,710 --> 01:21:18,090
Fine. I also want to point out,
people may not know, but when

1364
01:21:18,090 --> 01:21:21,690
they were demonetized on
YouTube, I called Brett I spoke

1365
01:21:21,690 --> 01:21:25,890
with him. I set up a set him up
on podcasting. 2.0 I set him up

1366
01:21:25,890 --> 01:21:28,680
with streaming payments,
everything and he didn't care.

1367
01:21:29,070 --> 01:21:31,860
So that's okay. And I'm not I'm
not insulted by that. But I

1368
01:21:31,860 --> 01:21:34,530
said, Look, dude, I just want to
set you up. You're doing good

1369
01:21:34,530 --> 01:21:39,360
stuff over here. He was thankful
he has a Bitcoin node at home.

1370
01:21:39,570 --> 01:21:42,540
All that stuff was set up. I did
that for him. Because I like

1371
01:21:42,540 --> 01:21:45,420
them, even though we make fun of
them. I mean, how can you not

1372
01:21:45,450 --> 01:21:53,040
cause others to just as fun to
listen to? So then a whole bunch

1373
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:56,700
of as, as these emails come in,
like I want to, I don't want

1374
01:21:56,700 --> 01:21:59,940
people to think that we hate
them. No, we don't. We'd love

1375
01:21:59,940 --> 01:22:05,880
Amy Goodman to you know, just
it's fun to make fun of her. So

1376
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:11,010
they did on their most recent
episode, called the Dream Team.

1377
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:17,010
She had a mia culpa. And here's
a clip, I have a long bullet

1378
01:22:17,010 --> 01:22:21,060
Unknown: list of various of our
positions, with links to where

1379
01:22:21,060 --> 01:22:24,240
we first talked about them as
far as I can find in our in our

1380
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:29,550
long list of Dark Horse
episodes, since May of 2020.

1381
01:22:30,300 --> 01:22:32,130
Here are a few of the other
things that Bret and I've given

1382
01:22:32,130 --> 01:22:34,530
voice to these last three years
conclusions that we came to

1383
01:22:34,530 --> 01:22:36,930
through observation, checking of
our assumptions, analysis and

1384
01:22:36,930 --> 01:22:40,170
reanalysis. Be careful though,
consider these ideas and who

1385
01:22:40,170 --> 01:22:43,800
knows what could happen. And I
begin with what I see is two of

1386
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:47,430
our big mistakes. Early in the
pandemic, we thought that masks

1387
01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:50,910
were broadly effective. We were
wrong. First we spoke about the

1388
01:22:50,910 --> 01:22:53,880
importance of masks. And as new
evidence came in our position

1389
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:57,960
changed. We spoke about that
too. We also thought that short

1390
01:22:57,990 --> 01:23:00,690
early and strong lockdowns had a
chance of stopping the spread of

1391
01:23:00,690 --> 01:23:04,260
SARS cov. Two, we were wrong
about that. I don't think

1392
01:23:04,260 --> 01:23:06,240
lockdowns could have worked in
part because I don't think

1393
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:09,090
sufficient worldwide compliance
was possible to stop the spread.

1394
01:23:09,480 --> 01:23:11,970
And as much as I'm disappointed
to have handed to have landed

1395
01:23:11,970 --> 01:23:15,240
here. I no longer trust my
government to borrow any of my

1396
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:18,360
freedoms. So it goes on and on
and on.

1397
01:23:18,750 --> 01:23:21,330
Adam Curry: Now, the reason why
I'm doing this is because you

1398
01:23:21,330 --> 01:23:24,420
brought up Brett's interview on
Tucker the other day, and I

1399
01:23:24,420 --> 01:23:27,090
watched the whole thing. And I
do have some comments that I'll

1400
01:23:27,090 --> 01:23:32,670
come back to now. The one thing
that is interesting is Brett is

1401
01:23:33,060 --> 01:23:38,040
not 100% against lockdowns, he
has a caveat you just heard

1402
01:23:38,370 --> 01:23:42,030
Heather say, I don't trust my
government. Well, welcome to The

1403
01:23:42,030 --> 01:23:47,880
Club. We're all on board with
that. Now, I'm not a biologist.

1404
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:51,840
But I still vehemently disagree
with any type of lockdown for

1405
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:56,250
any reason. And Brett has
caveats when it comes to severe

1406
01:23:56,250 --> 01:23:57,060
lock downs.

1407
01:23:58,380 --> 01:24:02,760
Unknown: So maybe this is the
point to talk about. What my

1408
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:08,250
current position is on lock
downs and what I regret and what

1409
01:24:08,250 --> 01:24:12,990
I don't regret. With my current
position, first of all, I do not

1410
01:24:12,990 --> 01:24:17,940
believe that given what SARS cov
two is that there was any

1411
01:24:17,940 --> 01:24:22,260
potential to control certainly
not control spread and my focus

1412
01:24:22,290 --> 01:24:26,520
has been actually driving the
pathogen to extinction. So the

1413
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:30,330
reason that I will not just
simply say, lockdowns could

1414
01:24:30,330 --> 01:24:34,200
never conceivably work under any
circumstances against any

1415
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:38,370
pathogen is that there?
Remember, I'm a biologist, I'm

1416
01:24:38,370 --> 01:24:45,990
focused on a novel pathogen that
were to jump by human meddling

1417
01:24:46,020 --> 01:24:51,120
or some other mechanism into the
human population from some

1418
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:56,490
animals source from the wet
market. That therefore starts

1419
01:24:56,490 --> 01:25:00,780
out at some low level but has
significant and very less. So

1420
01:25:00,780 --> 01:25:05,670
I'm just painting a scenario
here. We're there to be a novel

1421
01:25:05,670 --> 01:25:11,820
pathogen that leapt into people,
but had not yet become endemic

1422
01:25:11,850 --> 01:25:17,340
to humanity. If one could drive
it to extinction, in that early

1423
01:25:17,340 --> 01:25:24,090
phase, the value to humanity
would be incalculably large. And

1424
01:25:24,090 --> 01:25:28,800
I choose that, that phrasing
very carefully. The reason that

1425
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:32,640
it would be incalculably large,
is that the alternative of

1426
01:25:32,670 --> 01:25:36,360
allowing it to run its course
and become endemic, is for it to

1427
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:40,470
continue to inflict costs on
humans for as long as humans

1428
01:25:40,470 --> 01:25:42,390
continue to exist. So

1429
01:25:42,390 --> 01:25:45,660
Adam Curry: that's his Prelude.
And by the way, if you don't

1430
01:25:45,660 --> 01:25:50,160
know, Brett Weinstein, he's a
famous guy, he was famous, it

1431
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:54,000
was evergreen University, he
took a stand against wokeness,

1432
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:58,740
he got run out of the
university. And I will, there's

1433
01:25:58,740 --> 01:26:02,820
a lot of people who got a lot of
good information from them

1434
01:26:02,970 --> 01:26:05,820
during COVID, once they had
figured some stuff out, but this

1435
01:26:05,820 --> 01:26:08,460
lockdown thing bothers me
because what he just described

1436
01:26:08,460 --> 01:26:13,920
there is again, like it jumping
from a bat or from a pangolin or

1437
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:17,550
whatever, then he's not against
lock downs. And he clarifies

1438
01:26:17,550 --> 01:26:20,910
that he thinks that lock downs
will be okay. His caveat is

1439
01:26:20,910 --> 01:26:21,750
what's interesting,

1440
01:26:21,780 --> 01:26:25,710
Unknown: there is a value to
taking a pathogen, that there's

1441
01:26:25,710 --> 01:26:28,710
still the potential to drive it
extinct and doing so rather than

1442
01:26:28,710 --> 01:26:31,740
running out the clock and
letting it become endemic. If

1443
01:26:31,770 --> 01:26:35,610
one had the ability to drive a
new human pathogen to

1444
01:26:35,610 --> 01:26:39,030
extinction, that the value of
doing so would be very high and

1445
01:26:39,030 --> 01:26:43,110
would be worth a significant
small, a significant but small

1446
01:26:43,110 --> 01:26:49,170
cost. And that is why I have
said, short, intense lockdowns.

1447
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:54,360
However, I do not believe there
is a government on earth today,

1448
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:59,910
at least not at any large scale,
whether a city government could

1449
01:27:00,300 --> 01:27:03,900
have some alternative scenario,
I don't know. But the idea that

1450
01:27:03,900 --> 01:27:07,110
there's a national government or
an international body on earth

1451
01:27:07,110 --> 01:27:10,110
today, that can be trusted with
this kind of power is

1452
01:27:10,110 --> 01:27:15,180
preposterous, nor do I expect to
live to see a government worthy

1453
01:27:15,270 --> 01:27:21,060
of trust in this regard. So but
the point is, when I have

1454
01:27:21,060 --> 01:27:28,590
presented this idea, I have said
it as a brief, intense lockdown,

1455
01:27:28,830 --> 01:27:34,290
accompanied by high quality
testing. And the idea is in this

1456
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:40,260
scenario, a pathogen that spread
and burned itself out in some

1457
01:27:40,260 --> 01:27:44,130
short period of time, and where
in those rare cases where for

1458
01:27:44,130 --> 01:27:46,710
some reason it was able to
bounce around for long enough to

1459
01:27:46,710 --> 01:27:50,760
escape that period of weeks, you
would be able to find it with

1460
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:56,670
the testing that would allow in
principle, some properly

1461
01:27:56,670 --> 01:27:59,280
organized body to figure out how
to drive a pathogen to

1462
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:02,700
extinction and benefit humanity
tremendously. That

1463
01:28:02,700 --> 01:28:04,920
Adam Curry: and here's where I
want to raise a red flag.

1464
01:28:05,850 --> 01:28:11,130
Because when you say as a
biologist, I believe that with a

1465
01:28:11,130 --> 01:28:14,790
certain type of pathogen that
comes from the pangolin,

1466
01:28:14,790 --> 01:28:19,590
whatever, short, severe intense
lockdowns with testing, but it

1467
01:28:19,590 --> 01:28:24,360
should only be ordered by a
group that is not a government.

1468
01:28:24,930 --> 01:28:28,920
I immediately think, hey, he and
his brother or that member, the

1469
01:28:28,950 --> 01:28:33,540
intellectual darkweb member, all
that bullcrap. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

1470
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:37,140
And I'm like, Well, what kind of
group are we talking about? Now

1471
01:28:37,140 --> 01:28:41,820
we go to his Tucker interview.
At the very end, he has two

1472
01:28:41,850 --> 01:28:43,830
interesting comments, we are
living

1473
01:28:43,830 --> 01:28:46,080
Unknown: some crazy story in
which things that are perfectly

1474
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:50,790
obvious are still somehow have
not lodged themselves in the

1475
01:28:50,790 --> 01:28:55,410
official public record. And, you
know, I think that has a lot to

1476
01:28:55,410 --> 01:28:59,970
do with, frankly, the depth of
journalism. Yes, a lot of us are

1477
01:28:59,970 --> 01:29:03,630
doing jobs that we didn't train
for Heather and I are doing some

1478
01:29:03,630 --> 01:29:05,700
journalistic job that we
certainly didn't train for

1479
01:29:05,700 --> 01:29:09,570
retrained to think about
biology. And you know, we do

1480
01:29:09,570 --> 01:29:12,510
that in front of a camera. And
so that functions as a kind of

1481
01:29:12,630 --> 01:29:17,040
stand in for journalism. But the
handful of journalists who still

1482
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:21,510
exist, I think, without
exception, are not

1483
01:29:21,510 --> 01:29:25,530
scientifically trained. Right.
You know, Matt Taibbi, Glenn

1484
01:29:25,530 --> 01:29:30,360
Greenwald, you don't have very
many people doing investigative

1485
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:37,620
journalism and the ones who who
are doing it, they don't have

1486
01:29:37,620 --> 01:29:40,230
the skill set that would make
this a natural topic to

1487
01:29:40,230 --> 01:29:46,800
investigate. So we have to boot
up some kind of new institution

1488
01:29:46,950 --> 01:29:49,860
that will allow us to do this
job well. And presumably that

1489
01:29:49,860 --> 01:29:53,760
will involve taking the few
investigative journalists who

1490
01:29:54,030 --> 01:29:57,870
remember how to do that job and
the few scientists and doctors

1491
01:29:57,900 --> 01:30:01,080
who are willing to still do
their job and And, you know, put

1492
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:05,220
us together, right podcast isn't
the right place to do it. If

1493
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:08,580
that's all we got, that's all we
got. But there's got to be a

1494
01:30:08,580 --> 01:30:10,830
better a better method. Okay,

1495
01:30:10,860 --> 01:30:14,340
Adam Curry: so I think podcast
is exactly the right way to do

1496
01:30:14,340 --> 01:30:17,580
it. He says, We need a new kind
of group when you're new to kind

1497
01:30:17,580 --> 01:30:21,840
of Institute, as you know, I've
got my eye on all of these, the

1498
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:24,930
information Mavericks, the info
Mavericks, they're all going on

1499
01:30:24,930 --> 01:30:29,070
each other shows, they have the
Westminster declaration, these

1500
01:30:29,070 --> 01:30:32,880
are the new journalists and, and
they're all great, no doubt

1501
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:36,510
about it. But be careful,
because people get compromised.

1502
01:30:36,510 --> 01:30:40,080
And they and I don't think he's
a bad guy. But when he starts

1503
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:43,710
talking like that, or in the
flex clip, but get a little

1504
01:30:43,710 --> 01:30:46,140
worried about who's talking in
his ear,

1505
01:30:46,140 --> 01:30:49,350
Unknown: if everybody says it's
too dangerous to stand up, you

1506
01:30:49,350 --> 01:30:54,330
know, I'm not suicidal, I'm, I
can't do it, then not enough

1507
01:30:54,330 --> 01:30:58,320
people stand up to change the
course of history. Whereas if

1508
01:30:58,350 --> 01:31:05,220
people somehow put aside the
obvious danger, their ability to

1509
01:31:05,220 --> 01:31:08,160
earn and maybe their lives of
saying what needs to be said,

1510
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:16,320
then we greatly outnumber those
we are pitted against, they are

1511
01:31:16,350 --> 01:31:20,880
ferociously powerful. But I
would also point out this

1512
01:31:20,910 --> 01:31:26,250
interesting error. So I call the
force that we're up against

1513
01:31:26,250 --> 01:31:30,060
Goliath, just so I kind of
remember what the battle is

1514
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:33,090
Adam Curry: just that he's going
biblical. But this is his

1515
01:31:33,090 --> 01:31:35,070
version of Vai. It's Goliath is

1516
01:31:35,070 --> 01:31:38,940
Unknown: they, Goliath made a
terrible mistake. And it made it

1517
01:31:38,940 --> 01:31:43,920
most egregiously during COVID,
which is, it took all of the

1518
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:49,980
competent people took all of the
courageous people, and it shoved

1519
01:31:49,980 --> 01:31:54,780
them out of the institutions
where they were hanging out. And

1520
01:31:54,780 --> 01:32:00,000
it created in so doing, the
Dream Team, created every player

1521
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:03,630
you could possibly want on your
team to fight some historic

1522
01:32:03,630 --> 01:32:08,070
battle against a terrible evil.
All of those people are now at

1523
01:32:08,070 --> 01:32:11,670
least somewhat awake. They've
now been picked on by the same

1524
01:32:11,670 --> 01:32:14,550
enemy. And yeah, all right,
we're outgunned. It has a

1525
01:32:14,550 --> 01:32:17,880
tremendous amount of power, but,
but we've got all of the people

1526
01:32:18,180 --> 01:32:22,710
who know how to think. So I hate
to say it, or maybe I like to

1527
01:32:22,710 --> 01:32:25,740
say it, but I don't think it's a
slam dunk, but I like our

1528
01:32:25,740 --> 01:32:29,700
Adam Curry: odds. So he's
talking about a dream team. And

1529
01:32:29,790 --> 01:32:32,520
now he's gotten a lot of
pushback from people like who

1530
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:36,720
determines dreams, I don't care.
But I also got a couple of notes

1531
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:40,140
from people and remember the
word Institute boots something

1532
01:32:40,140 --> 01:32:44,730
up Dream Team. People starting
to point me towards the Santa Fe

1533
01:32:44,730 --> 01:32:47,970
Institute. You ever heard of
this outfit? The Santa Fe? What

1534
01:32:47,970 --> 01:32:49,800
do you know about them? What do
you know about the Santa Fe

1535
01:32:49,830 --> 01:32:50,610
offhand?

1536
01:32:50,610 --> 01:32:53,610
John C Dvorak: I can't tell you,
but I do know about them. I've

1537
01:32:53,610 --> 01:32:56,430
looked into them before and
every time I do something about

1538
01:32:56,430 --> 01:32:57,600
them, I don't like well,

1539
01:32:57,630 --> 01:33:01,020
Adam Curry: they have 8980 to 90
billion a million dollars a year

1540
01:33:01,020 --> 01:33:06,330
coming in. That's a nice money.
It's run by this Krakow guy who

1541
01:33:06,330 --> 01:33:11,460
is a evolutionary biologist.
That's the same discipline as as

1542
01:33:11,460 --> 01:33:14,190
Brett. So I'm going to the
homepage. I'm just looking

1543
01:33:14,190 --> 01:33:18,450
around, you know, oh, MIDI Rs in
there. Lots of people on the

1544
01:33:18,450 --> 01:33:24,150
board from banks, big venture
funds a lot

1545
01:33:24,150 --> 01:33:26,370
John C Dvorak: of money, first
against the Council of Foreign

1546
01:33:26,370 --> 01:33:28,500
relationship. didn't

1547
01:33:28,500 --> 01:33:33,330
Adam Curry: do that. But on the
homepage, it says a dream team

1548
01:33:33,330 --> 01:33:37,980
of scientists prize winning
ecologist physicist biolog

1549
01:33:37,980 --> 01:33:43,320
biologists and others from
Harvard to Vienna. And so I'm

1550
01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:47,400
thinking he's being sucked into
something. Yeah, sounds like it

1551
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:51,300
to me. And it looks like a bunch
of transhumanism people be up

1552
01:33:51,660 --> 01:33:55,920
now, and I don't like it. I
don't like it. I don't like it.

1553
01:33:56,250 --> 01:33:59,670
Don't like, I'm just you know,
and again, it's not a slam

1554
01:33:59,670 --> 01:34:02,190
against that these people are
not deserved very fine people.

1555
01:34:03,330 --> 01:34:08,370
This might say, very fine
people. Now the only other end

1556
01:34:08,370 --> 01:34:11,250
so that's all I got to say about
him. I got my eye on them. Be

1557
01:34:11,250 --> 01:34:13,620
careful what you're doing
Britain Heather. The only thing

1558
01:34:13,620 --> 01:34:19,380
that breaks my heart breaks my
heart is they got demonetized

1559
01:34:19,380 --> 01:34:22,410
they were counting on you know,
they were in growth mode. They

1560
01:34:22,410 --> 01:34:25,770
are they're they're they're
doubling and they got screwed by

1561
01:34:25,770 --> 01:34:29,040
YouTube. Basically. Now they I
think they have some half deal

1562
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:32,460
with rumble and locals do
everybody. It's the same. By the

1563
01:34:32,460 --> 01:34:36,570
way. It's the same. Same thing.
We're Glenn Greenwald goes,

1564
01:34:36,750 --> 01:34:40,620
everybody goes to rumble and
locals rumble bought locals. So

1565
01:34:40,620 --> 01:34:43,770
there's all that cabal going on.
Yep, that's where the Russell

1566
01:34:43,770 --> 01:34:46,890
Brand everybody goes over there.
Podcasting is not going to do

1567
01:34:46,890 --> 01:34:51,270
it. Okay. That's fine. I'm a
little heartbroken because they

1568
01:34:51,480 --> 01:34:59,970
remembered two intellectuals
they their evolutionary biology

1569
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:05,280
just smart people who think
podcasting is no good podcasting

1570
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:09,750
2.0 You know don't go for value
for value. What breaks my heart

1571
01:35:09,750 --> 01:35:11,940
is what they're actually doing
to make money.

1572
01:35:12,060 --> 01:35:15,750
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Adam Curry: now of course, you
really want to make the

1586
01:35:57,240 --> 01:36:00,630
advertiser feel happy about the
read the end, this was a very

1587
01:36:00,630 --> 01:36:04,860
good read Heather, dog food, but
we really wanted that sponsor to

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01:36:07,620 --> 01:36:10,200
Unknown: Not only that, but in
some sort of mini collapse

1590
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:13,950
scenario. If you ended up having
to share your dog's food. You

1591
01:36:13,950 --> 01:36:18,090
will be so glad somedays I speak
from experience. I mean, not

1592
01:36:18,090 --> 01:36:21,210
from the mini Apocalypse
experience, but from the having

1593
01:36:21,210 --> 01:36:22,020
tried it and that's good.

1594
01:36:22,110 --> 01:36:24,240
And not also from getting down
on the ground and eating from

1595
01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:26,370
her bowl, which is gross. Oh,

1596
01:36:26,370 --> 01:36:30,660
also on dignified, I mean, just
really bad. necessarily

1597
01:36:30,660 --> 01:36:31,170
stuff all

1598
01:36:31,170 --> 01:36:32,940
John C Dvorak: around his neck
and make some meat.

1599
01:36:34,860 --> 01:36:37,980
Unknown: That's true. But that
was more dignified than you

1600
01:36:37,980 --> 01:36:40,110
would you would imagine. Yeah.
Much better, much more

1601
01:36:40,110 --> 01:36:40,560
dignified. It

1602
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:43,620
was a little badass at some
level. Right? And I mean, you

1603
01:36:43,650 --> 01:36:45,000
were only taking your word for
it.

1604
01:36:45,810 --> 01:36:48,540
I guess that's true. Yeah, I
didn't see it. Sure. Well, I

1605
01:36:48,570 --> 01:36:49,680
might have to repeat it.

1606
01:36:50,700 --> 01:36:54,120
On camera even. All right. All
right.

1607
01:36:54,330 --> 01:36:56,070
John C Dvorak: Oh my god. But

1608
01:36:56,100 --> 01:36:58,950
Unknown: here we go. I have not
tasted it. But it looks edible.

1609
01:36:59,010 --> 01:37:00,210
It is. Yeah, it is.

1610
01:37:01,230 --> 01:37:06,270
John C Dvorak: Oh, geez. Okay,
I'll give you a clip of the day

1611
01:37:06,270 --> 01:37:12,780
for drink get dredging, that
clip. On dredging being the

1612
01:37:12,780 --> 01:37:13,950
operative word here.

1613
01:37:15,660 --> 01:37:20,130
Adam Curry: That breaks my heart
breaks my heart. Go value for

1614
01:37:20,130 --> 01:37:22,920
value people stop right away.
Stop it.

1615
01:37:24,270 --> 01:37:26,370
John C Dvorak: Well, these
instance series because it's a

1616
01:37:26,370 --> 01:37:30,630
big deal, you know, you have to
have the host read post read ad.

1617
01:37:32,940 --> 01:37:38,460
Which, by the way, I've always
thought, in my opinion, a

1618
01:37:38,460 --> 01:37:43,020
professionally produced ad by an
ad agency who knows how to sell

1619
01:37:43,260 --> 01:37:47,880
as opposed to a host reading a
script is always the way to go.

1620
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:53,550
But no, no, no, no, not in these
these audio context and radio

1621
01:37:53,550 --> 01:37:56,790
podcasting the rest of it? Oh,
no. Host Red Hat. Maybe there's

1622
01:37:56,790 --> 01:38:02,160
some big thing about it. I you
would know better than I Why

1623
01:38:02,370 --> 01:38:05,100
won't exist ever come up in the
conversation. I can

1624
01:38:05,100 --> 01:38:08,880
Adam Curry: tell you why because
code bond Gino. You can track

1625
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:13,860
it. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's DRS
direct response is not the same

1626
01:38:13,860 --> 01:38:15,720
as an ad. It's direct response
to

1627
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:17,460
John C Dvorak: a direct response
ad.

1628
01:38:17,490 --> 01:38:18,420
Adam Curry: Yeah. Well,

1629
01:38:18,630 --> 01:38:21,030
John C Dvorak: believe me
commercials that. Okay. The

1630
01:38:21,030 --> 01:38:25,230
Adam Curry: answer is the CPM is
much higher. If you if it's a

1631
01:38:25,230 --> 01:38:25,980
host read ad.

1632
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:29,490
John C Dvorak: That's the
answer. Is that been documented?

1633
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:33,390
Adam Curry: Oh, extensively. The
CPM for host read ad for these

1634
01:38:33,390 --> 01:38:38,490
guys. I'd say it's about 20
bucks. So per 1000 people. They

1635
01:38:38,490 --> 01:38:42,210
John C Dvorak: have a million so
they make $40 on that ad?

1636
01:38:42,570 --> 01:38:45,360
Adam Curry: No, no, that I'm
sure they're doing okay. But you

1637
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:48,000
know, they're talking about
eating dog food, which gives me

1638
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:51,810
a whole new insight into their
private life. That I didn't need

1639
01:38:51,810 --> 01:38:52,980
to know. Yeah,

1640
01:38:52,980 --> 01:38:55,290
John C Dvorak: I don't think
anyone that needed to know any

1641
01:38:55,290 --> 01:38:58,230
of that anyway, and then they
went on and on about it. That's

1642
01:38:58,230 --> 01:38:59,820
what it was bad. I cut out

1643
01:38:59,820 --> 01:39:05,160
Adam Curry: most of it. Believe
me. We I made another mistake.

1644
01:39:05,190 --> 01:39:10,560
It's a week of mistakes.
Confusing. Ian Bremmer, with

1645
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:14,160
Paul Yammer, sorry about you
know what, and I keep doing

1646
01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:14,640
this.

1647
01:39:14,940 --> 01:39:17,610
John C Dvorak: I know, this
mistake I thought was

1648
01:39:17,700 --> 01:39:20,970
acceptable. Because it's a
mistake that is easy to make.

1649
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:21,630
Yeah, but I've done it

1650
01:39:21,630 --> 01:39:22,290
Adam Curry: before.

1651
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:25,170
John C Dvorak: And you've done
it. You do it? Yeah. I'm feel

1652
01:39:25,170 --> 01:39:29,850
dumb. Just just say Bremmer
don't well, but I ran but I went

1653
01:39:29,850 --> 01:39:30,570
I Bremmer,

1654
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:33,000
Adam Curry: but I went into he's
the guy that had the stacks of

1655
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:36,870
cash in Iraq, and that was Paul
Bremmer, Paul Bremmer, Ian

1656
01:39:36,870 --> 01:39:39,990
Bremmer of the Eurasia
Institute, whatever he is now

1657
01:39:39,990 --> 01:39:43,110
all over the place can't get
away from him. And he was on

1658
01:39:43,110 --> 01:39:46,200
CNN, talking smack about the
president. The

1659
01:39:46,230 --> 01:39:50,280
John C Dvorak: Iranians are now
have several of their proxies in

1660
01:39:50,280 --> 01:39:53,730
the region that are engaged in
escalating war against the

1661
01:39:53,730 --> 01:39:56,250
United States and Israel. I
mean, that's the big concern. I

1662
01:39:56,250 --> 01:39:59,280
mean, oil prices up 4% But
they're still under 80 bucks.

1663
01:39:59,460 --> 01:40:02,340
That concern For the United
States is what happens if we end

1664
01:40:02,340 --> 01:40:05,070
up in direct conflict with Iran,
then we're talking about 150 or

1665
01:40:05,070 --> 01:40:08,610
200 minutes of global recession,
both and Biden is going to lose.

1666
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:13,020
But it started with nuisance
strikes in response to what

1667
01:40:13,020 --> 01:40:14,910
we're seeing as nuisance
attacks. That's what the White

1668
01:40:14,910 --> 01:40:18,930
House was privately saying, now
we have more significant target

1669
01:40:18,930 --> 01:40:20,160
attacks against but anyway,

1670
01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:23,190
Adam Curry: so his whole thing
was if oil goes up, he says

1671
01:40:23,190 --> 01:40:24,960
Biden will lose

1672
01:40:30,690 --> 01:40:33,420
John C Dvorak: IOC how oil is
going to be the determining

1673
01:40:33,420 --> 01:40:35,550
factor and Biden losing or
winning.

1674
01:40:35,640 --> 01:40:39,060
Adam Curry: I'm just telling you
what Bremmer said some sort of a

1675
01:40:39,060 --> 01:40:42,930
threat well, I'll just keep that
a climate change for a second

1676
01:40:42,930 --> 01:40:45,720
because we have lots of climate
change news by the way,

1677
01:40:45,990 --> 01:40:48,210
John C Dvorak: but before we
jump to climate change, I was

1678
01:40:48,210 --> 01:40:50,280
staying with the Middle East
because I have a three by three

1679
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:52,410
that refers to exactly what he
was talking about.

1680
01:40:53,490 --> 01:40:58,050
Adam Curry: Three by three maybe
five JC D we're comparing

1681
01:40:58,050 --> 01:41:05,370
comparing stories from ABC, CBS
and NBC three never ending free

1682
01:41:05,370 --> 01:41:08,670
by free Which to me looks like
we have an anomaly today.

1683
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:15,330
John C Dvorak: I suggested to
the Joneses, the Joe Hart Jones,

1684
01:41:15,990 --> 01:41:20,100
the slip collector, your dad
Steve Jones, yes, Steve A that

1685
01:41:20,340 --> 01:41:24,330
we add a one foreign element to
see if the if the

1686
01:41:24,330 --> 01:41:29,580
internationalization of the
bogus same script news actually

1687
01:41:29,580 --> 01:41:34,080
goes overseas and shows up at
the BBC or shows up on Deutsche

1688
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:36,090
rail or shows up on France 24

1689
01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:38,370
Adam Curry: It ruins that would
be interesting. It ruins the

1690
01:41:38,370 --> 01:41:38,880
jingle.

1691
01:41:39,930 --> 01:41:42,330
John C Dvorak: No, it's the sea
bass a three by three plus you

1692
01:41:42,330 --> 01:41:44,520
just say the word plus How about

1693
01:41:45,390 --> 01:41:46,590
Adam Curry: three extra

1694
01:41:48,210 --> 01:41:53,490
John C Dvorak: strikes dry extra
extra. Let's start with NBC.

1695
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:56,850
Adam Curry: Oh NBC Today Okay.
Wow.

1696
01:41:56,910 --> 01:42:00,180
Unknown: After the Pentagon says
a punishing series of US and

1697
01:42:00,180 --> 01:42:03,900
British strikes destroyed more
than 60 Houthi military targets

1698
01:42:03,900 --> 01:42:07,740
in Yemen. The first sign of
retaliation, the Iranian backed

1699
01:42:07,740 --> 01:42:11,550
militia saying they won't stop
attacking ships firing an anti

1700
01:42:11,550 --> 01:42:14,850
ship ballistic missile into the
red sea but hitting nothing.

1701
01:42:15,150 --> 01:42:18,150
President Biden was pressed.
What would he do if Houthi

1702
01:42:18,150 --> 01:42:19,380
attacks don't stop?

1703
01:42:19,620 --> 01:42:23,340
We will make sure that we
respond to his outrageous

1704
01:42:23,340 --> 01:42:24,870
behavior along with our allies.

1705
01:42:24,900 --> 01:42:27,840
President Biden has been under
pressure to act following months

1706
01:42:27,870 --> 01:42:31,020
of Houthi attacks on commercial
ships in the Red Sea through

1707
01:42:31,020 --> 01:42:36,090
which the US says 15% of global
sea trade travels including oil

1708
01:42:36,090 --> 01:42:40,260
supplies, and some companies had
begun avoiding the Red Sea a

1709
01:42:40,260 --> 01:42:44,490
costly disruption. Last night's
operation included US and

1710
01:42:44,490 --> 01:42:47,760
British warplane British
dropping bombs and US Navy ships

1711
01:42:47,790 --> 01:42:52,320
including a submarine firing
Tomahawk missiles, more than 150

1712
01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:55,620
precision guided bombs and
missiles in all, the White House

1713
01:42:55,620 --> 01:42:58,410
says they demolished Houthi
ballistic missile launchers,

1714
01:42:58,440 --> 01:43:02,310
ammunition warehouses, air
defense radars and more. The

1715
01:43:02,310 --> 01:43:02,730
targets

1716
01:43:02,730 --> 01:43:05,970
we chose were all valid
legitimate targets that went

1717
01:43:05,970 --> 01:43:11,970
right at the Houthis ability to
store to launch and to guide

1718
01:43:12,330 --> 01:43:15,420
President Biden writing the
strikes send a clear message

1719
01:43:15,420 --> 01:43:18,270
that the United States and our
partners will not tolerate

1720
01:43:18,270 --> 01:43:22,080
attacks on our personnel or that
imperil freedom of navigation.

1721
01:43:22,470 --> 01:43:26,610
But tonight, Iran who supplies
the Houthis with money, weapons

1722
01:43:26,610 --> 01:43:30,390
and intelligence condemned the
strikes saying they are fueling

1723
01:43:30,390 --> 01:43:35,490
instability in the region.
Curiosity. I do Meanwhile,

1724
01:43:35,490 --> 01:43:38,430
President Biden criticizing
defense secretary Lloyd Austin

1725
01:43:38,430 --> 01:43:41,910
for keeping his hospitalization
secret. Austin did not tell the

1726
01:43:41,910 --> 01:43:45,870
president or the public for days
that he was off the job and in

1727
01:43:45,870 --> 01:43:54,030
intensive care for prostate
cancer treatment. Yes. Okay.

1728
01:43:54,660 --> 01:43:55,020
Long

1729
01:43:55,020 --> 01:43:58,740
John C Dvorak: report. Too long.
But these are all kind of long,

1730
01:43:58,740 --> 01:44:02,490
but have we seen Austin sets
yet? No.

1731
01:44:02,490 --> 01:44:06,660
Adam Curry: I need to see him on
the balcony. Wait, you

1732
01:44:06,660 --> 01:44:09,300
John C Dvorak: think that's
peculiar? Yes.

1733
01:44:10,380 --> 01:44:14,250
Adam Curry: Two bits of data
there. One is was likely not a

1734
01:44:14,250 --> 01:44:22,260
full on the but operation,
prostate removal but a partial.

1735
01:44:22,260 --> 01:44:27,420
So they probably went through
the urethra to do that

1736
01:44:27,420 --> 01:44:30,840
operation. That's how we'd
likely got the UTI. That's one

1737
01:44:30,870 --> 01:44:33,360
piece of data. And the other
piece which is kind of

1738
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:37,740
interesting. I don't know this
is kind of a book by the book

1739
01:44:37,740 --> 01:44:45,150
guy, as we know from his stellar
military career was that most

1740
01:44:45,150 --> 01:44:49,650
men up to four star general in
the in the military. They have

1741
01:44:49,650 --> 01:44:53,280
some kind of code where they
don't talk about their their

1742
01:44:53,460 --> 01:44:57,330
their issues, their medical
issues or any kind of issue and

1743
01:44:57,330 --> 01:45:00,600
so would not be out although I
think it's incorrect for For the

1744
01:45:00,600 --> 01:45:06,030
Secretary of Defense, and I'm
not defending his action for him

1745
01:45:06,030 --> 01:45:10,080
to not talk to anybody about it
because you know, us tough guys

1746
01:45:10,080 --> 01:45:13,320
we just bear down do it, get it
done with and go back to work.

1747
01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:16,320
John C Dvorak: day he seems like
a tough guy with his double

1748
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:19,680
masking is a big deal over his
face. Tough guy.

1749
01:45:23,340 --> 01:45:26,610
Adam Curry: Okay, again, not
defending just giving you the

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01:45:26,610 --> 01:45:27,240
info.

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01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:32,610
John C Dvorak: Let's go to Mary
Bruce. She's on ABC giving the

1752
01:45:32,610 --> 01:45:33,750
exact same report.

1753
01:45:35,550 --> 01:45:38,700
Unknown: Tonight new video of
the massive US led strikes

1754
01:45:38,700 --> 01:45:42,450
against Iranian backed militants
in Yemen more than 60 Houthi

1755
01:45:42,450 --> 01:45:48,210
targets hit across 28 locations.
It's the largest US strike in

1756
01:45:48,210 --> 01:45:52,050
the Middle East in years, a wave
of 80 Tomahawk cruise missiles

1757
01:45:52,050 --> 01:45:55,380
launched from Navy ships and a
submarine backed by fighter

1758
01:45:55,380 --> 01:46:00,210
jets. Tonight the Houthis vowing
revenge firing a missile towards

1759
01:46:00,240 --> 01:46:04,290
another ship today but missing
as a sea of protesters took to

1760
01:46:04,290 --> 01:46:07,740
the streets in Yemen's Capitol
burning American and Israeli

1761
01:46:07,740 --> 01:46:13,050
flag. British forces joining the
US assault releasing video of

1762
01:46:13,050 --> 01:46:16,890
explosions destroying Houthi
facilities, the Pentagon saying

1763
01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:20,250
they degraded the Houthis
capabilities, taking out weapons

1764
01:46:20,250 --> 01:46:23,940
depots radar and surveillance
systems as well as attack drones

1765
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:27,810
hoping to cripple the militants
ability to continue terrorizing

1766
01:46:27,810 --> 01:46:31,650
the Red Sea. New satellite
images revealing the aftermath

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01:46:31,650 --> 01:46:33,090
buildings flattened

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01:46:33,120 --> 01:46:36,390
clearly and the intent here is
for the US and the UK to take

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01:46:36,390 --> 01:46:39,630
out any military capability that
the Houthis might have to

1770
01:46:39,630 --> 01:46:42,060
continue to harass shipping in
the Red Sea

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01:46:42,180 --> 01:46:45,450
since mid November the Houthis
have launched at least 27

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01:46:45,450 --> 01:46:48,540
attacks, claiming they are
retaliating for Israel's war

1773
01:46:48,540 --> 01:46:51,960
against Hamas, disrupting one of
the most vital shipping routes

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01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:55,380
in the world. President Biden
today saying the strikes were

1775
01:46:55,380 --> 01:46:59,760
successful. Adding Iran the
Houthis backers got the message

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01:46:59,820 --> 01:47:00,330
have already

1777
01:47:00,330 --> 01:47:02,040
delivered the message they know.

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01:47:03,990 --> 01:47:07,200
But the attack is exactly the
kind of escalation the White

1779
01:47:07,200 --> 01:47:10,830
House had been hoping to avoid.
But the President says he's not

1780
01:47:10,830 --> 01:47:14,850
ruling out taking additional
measures. And tonight President

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01:47:14,850 --> 01:47:18,360
Biden is standing by his defense
secretary Lloyd Austin, who as

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01:47:18,360 --> 01:47:21,360
this attack was being planned
was hospitalized being treated

1783
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:24,510
for prostate cancer, something
he concealed from the president

1784
01:47:24,600 --> 01:47:27,540
for several days. But tonight
The White House says Austin was

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01:47:27,540 --> 01:47:30,780
fully engaged and that he
participated and that it was

1786
01:47:30,780 --> 01:47:31,440
seamless

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01:47:32,580 --> 01:47:35,880
John C Dvorak: to the same thing
why do they structure both

1788
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:39,450
stories exactly the same with
the Austin little kicker at the

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01:47:39,450 --> 01:47:42,120
end? If they're not in
collusion?

1790
01:47:42,870 --> 01:47:45,480
Adam Curry: Or if they're not
just lame and getting all their

1791
01:47:45,510 --> 01:47:48,750
information? Yeah, with one
package from one place no

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01:47:48,750 --> 01:47:51,300
John C Dvorak: I agree that in
fact Yes, that's been well

1793
01:47:51,300 --> 01:47:55,410
established. They're getting
their packages from one place

1794
01:47:55,650 --> 01:47:59,670
but that doesn't account for the
structure of the story. Why the

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01:47:59,670 --> 01:48:02,310
Austin kicker at the end of both
stories

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01:48:03,480 --> 01:48:05,790
Adam Curry: Nothing to see here
people don't be afraid he's

1797
01:48:05,850 --> 01:48:09,390
alive and well I can't come up
with a reason for it may have a

1798
01:48:09,390 --> 01:48:11,490
reason but I don't want to
interrupt your three by three.

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01:48:11,670 --> 01:48:14,130
John C Dvorak: So let's go with
CBS and this is our we always

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01:48:14,130 --> 01:48:15,930
end with CBS we

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01:48:15,930 --> 01:48:19,590
Unknown: repeated ultimatums
gays at the exact same

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01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:22,170
Adam Curry: the exact same
beginning with the same image me

1803
01:48:22,170 --> 01:48:28,200
here the end let me hear the ABC
again. I'm here ABC. Tonight new

1804
01:48:28,200 --> 01:48:30,930
video let me hear the end. NBC

1805
01:48:34,890 --> 01:48:38,280
Unknown: ultimatums gave way to
military action overnight is F

1806
01:48:38,280 --> 01:48:41,370
18. fighter jets and support
aircraft lead the way in a

1807
01:48:41,370 --> 01:48:45,210
bombing campaign against Iranian
backed Houthi militants,

1808
01:48:45,330 --> 01:48:51,930
including the use of US warships
and a submarine. British typhoon

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01:48:51,930 --> 01:48:55,650
fighters took off from bases in
Cyprus covering a distance so

1810
01:48:55,650 --> 01:49:00,210
long they needed refueling
aircraft. Cockpit footage is

1811
01:49:00,210 --> 01:49:04,530
said to show airstrikes aimed at
degrading Houthi capabilities

1812
01:49:04,530 --> 01:49:09,210
and weapons stocks. US Military
officials say more than 150

1813
01:49:09,270 --> 01:49:13,170
precision guided munitions
struck over 60 targets at nearly

1814
01:49:13,170 --> 01:49:17,520
30 locations, including command
centers, missile and drone

1815
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:23,970
launch sites and air defense
systems. Today in Yemen, 1000s

1816
01:49:23,970 --> 01:49:28,050
of demonstrators turned out in
the capitol burning US flags and

1817
01:49:28,050 --> 01:49:33,900
chanting God is Great Death to
America Death to Israel. Well in

1818
01:49:33,900 --> 01:49:36,450
Yeah, what we're doing with the
leaders have already said

1819
01:49:36,570 --> 01:49:41,250
American aggression will not go
unpunished, and that attacks in

1820
01:49:41,250 --> 01:49:46,650
the Red Sea will continue. And
the US government has confirmed

1821
01:49:46,710 --> 01:49:49,950
that Iranian forces themselves
seized an oil tanker off the

1822
01:49:49,950 --> 01:49:54,390
coast of Oman, carrying US
sanction crude oil, raising

1823
01:49:54,390 --> 01:49:58,890
tensions even further between
American forces and adversaries

1824
01:49:58,890 --> 01:50:04,080
in the region. I'm setting the
stage for more confrontations to

1825
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:07,350
come. With that in mind,
national security Spokesman John

1826
01:50:07,350 --> 01:50:10,500
Kirby said we're not interested
in a war with Yemen or a

1827
01:50:10,500 --> 01:50:12,600
conflict of any kind.

1828
01:50:12,630 --> 01:50:16,170
And yet, Charlie, clearly this
is a widening conflict. What do

1829
01:50:16,170 --> 01:50:19,290
we know about Secretary of
Defense Lloyd Austin? I know he

1830
01:50:19,290 --> 01:50:22,050
is still hospitalized here in
Washington. But what about his

1831
01:50:22,050 --> 01:50:23,670
role in this operation? Yet?
Well,

1832
01:50:23,670 --> 01:50:27,030
nor the White House has made
clear that Austin was fully

1833
01:50:27,030 --> 01:50:30,630
engaged in ordering the stripe
President Biden told reporters

1834
01:50:30,630 --> 01:50:34,500
today he remained confident in
his defense secretary, but he

1835
01:50:34,500 --> 01:50:37,800
agreed that Austin displayed a
lack of judgment in not

1836
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:41,400
informing the President about
his hospitalization, or cancer

1837
01:50:41,400 --> 01:50:41,790
treatment.

1838
01:50:44,130 --> 01:50:47,640
John C Dvorak: You know, it just
is just so peculiar to me. Well,

1839
01:50:48,450 --> 01:50:51,090
Adam Curry: I want you to
complete the extra part of the

1840
01:50:51,090 --> 01:50:53,130
three by three and then we'll
see if we can come up with some

1841
01:50:53,130 --> 01:50:54,060
answers. But it's

1842
01:50:54,690 --> 01:50:57,060
John C Dvorak: the BBC is going
to have to be different because

1843
01:50:57,060 --> 01:51:00,330
they can't be dealing with the
exact same people and they don't

1844
01:51:00,330 --> 01:51:04,290
and they don't produce over
produced the news like we do and

1845
01:51:04,290 --> 01:51:09,780
so So will there be any pops and
bombs and jets taking off? Well,

1846
01:51:09,780 --> 01:51:10,470
let's find out.

1847
01:51:10,500 --> 01:51:12,150
Unknown: We know what US
officials informed can group

1848
01:51:12,150 --> 01:51:16,050
sorry. By night, the US and
Britain supported by Australia,

1849
01:51:16,200 --> 01:51:19,020
but rain Canada and the
Netherlands have carried out

1850
01:51:19,020 --> 01:51:22,260
missile strikes on Houthi
targets, reportedly hitting the

1851
01:51:22,260 --> 01:51:26,070
capital Sana and the port of
Hodeidah. The White House

1852
01:51:26,070 --> 01:51:28,050
confirmed the strikes in a
statement.

1853
01:51:28,500 --> 01:51:31,770
These targeted strikes are a
clear message that the United

1854
01:51:31,770 --> 01:51:34,770
States and our partners will not
tolerate attacks on our

1855
01:51:34,770 --> 01:51:38,760
personnel cue or allow hostile
actors to imperil freedom of

1856
01:51:38,760 --> 01:51:42,270
navigation in one of the world's
most critical commercial routes.

1857
01:51:42,480 --> 01:51:45,660
Our Washington correspondent
told me more about the Allied

1858
01:51:45,660 --> 01:51:48,930
military strikes, we heard in
that White House statement that

1859
01:51:48,960 --> 01:51:52,500
these strikes were according to
the President's successful and a

1860
01:51:52,500 --> 01:51:55,800
direct response to what he
called unprecedented Hootie

1861
01:51:55,800 --> 01:51:59,880
attacks against international
shipping. We shortly thereafter,

1862
01:52:00,180 --> 01:52:03,420
heard from the US Defense
Secretary Lloyd Austin, he said

1863
01:52:03,420 --> 01:52:06,900
whatever strikes targeted the
Hutus drone and missile

1864
01:52:06,900 --> 01:52:11,250
capabilities, as well as coastal
radar and air surveillance

1865
01:52:11,250 --> 01:52:14,940
systems. And the Reuters news
agency said that there had been

1866
01:52:15,030 --> 01:52:18,630
a number of explosions quoted
witnesses saying they had seen

1867
01:52:18,630 --> 01:52:21,570
and heard explosions. But I
think the narrative that we're

1868
01:52:21,570 --> 01:52:24,660
going to see play out in the
next few days is that this is a

1869
01:52:24,660 --> 01:52:27,720
defensive mission. Indeed, we've
just heard from a senior

1870
01:52:27,720 --> 01:52:30,930
administration official here in
Washington who said that we have

1871
01:52:30,930 --> 01:52:34,440
no doubt that ships would have
been struck, perhaps even sunk,

1872
01:52:34,470 --> 01:52:37,740
including, in one case, a
commercial ship full of jet

1873
01:52:37,740 --> 01:52:40,530
fuel, which is quite a
frightening prospect, isn't it?

1874
01:52:40,530 --> 01:52:43,920
So I think that that's going to
be the messaging from the White

1875
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:47,370
House from the Pentagon in the
next few days that the US was

1876
01:52:47,370 --> 01:52:50,160
forced into this in order to
protect itself and its allies.

1877
01:52:50,250 --> 01:52:51,540
Wow.

1878
01:52:53,460 --> 01:52:55,590
Adam Curry: How was really
boring. It

1879
01:52:55,590 --> 01:52:57,390
John C Dvorak: was boring,
didn't have any net pops.

1880
01:52:57,420 --> 01:53:00,000
Nothing. Zero. NAT POP knows she

1881
01:53:00,030 --> 01:53:02,640
Adam Curry: wishes? No. But

1882
01:53:04,050 --> 01:53:06,330
John C Dvorak: they did some
analysis and but they wouldn't

1883
01:53:06,330 --> 01:53:10,290
do what we did. He said we
talked to Lloyd, nobody's talked

1884
01:53:10,290 --> 01:53:10,980
to Lloyd all he

1885
01:53:10,980 --> 01:53:13,830
Adam Curry: said he did I heard
him say is a liar. Do you think

1886
01:53:13,830 --> 01:53:18,360
he's a liar? It has to be I
think this thing may have

1887
01:53:18,360 --> 01:53:22,650
something to do and Austin being
on the scene or not, may have

1888
01:53:22,650 --> 01:53:26,790
something to do with the war war
powers resolution. The President

1889
01:53:26,790 --> 01:53:31,530
has no you can't the I know
this. Shocker, everybody, but

1890
01:53:31,530 --> 01:53:35,130
only Congress can declare war.
But the minute the president

1891
01:53:35,130 --> 01:53:42,780
sends force into inactive enacts
force at this level, certainly

1892
01:53:42,780 --> 01:53:49,110
we all show that he has to
notify Congress within 48 hours

1893
01:53:49,110 --> 01:53:53,130
and then you get 60 days, the
clock starts ticking. And I

1894
01:53:53,130 --> 01:53:57,630
believe during that time, the
President is fully in charge.

1895
01:53:59,190 --> 01:54:03,510
And and he can can call all the
shots you don't need Austin for

1896
01:54:03,510 --> 01:54:08,160
anything. So anyway, here's a
CNN had a little bit about the

1897
01:54:08,160 --> 01:54:08,820
War Powers.

1898
01:54:08,850 --> 01:54:10,470
Unknown: You know what US
officials informed congressional

1899
01:54:10,470 --> 01:54:13,620
leadership in advance of the
strikes that they were going to

1900
01:54:13,620 --> 01:54:16,770
be happening. However, you did
hear from some Democrats, House

1901
01:54:16,770 --> 01:54:19,800
Democrats in particular, who are
raising serious concerns about

1902
01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:22,320
the legal authority behind this
thing using the words

1903
01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:25,380
retaliatory and defensive were
very intentional. We'll see the

1904
01:54:25,650 --> 01:54:28,170
legal rationale soon from the
administer ministration

1905
01:54:28,320 --> 01:54:30,360
particularly what ro Khanna the
congressman from California had

1906
01:54:30,360 --> 01:54:34,500
to set the Constitution requires
that if there is not an imminent

1907
01:54:34,530 --> 01:54:38,940
threat of self defense that he
has to come to Congress. And

1908
01:54:38,940 --> 01:54:42,810
here we know about your own
reporting that this has been

1909
01:54:42,810 --> 01:54:45,750
going on since December. He's
assembled an entire

1910
01:54:45,750 --> 01:54:48,450
international coalition. He
certainly should have come to

1911
01:54:48,450 --> 01:54:51,990
Congress so that we can discuss
whether this actually could put

1912
01:54:51,990 --> 01:54:55,620
more American troops at risk.
I'm concerned about retaliation

1913
01:54:55,620 --> 01:54:59,010
in Iraq, and whether it could
draw us into a Middle East war

1914
01:54:59,130 --> 01:55:02,220
that we could have us Next, our
discussion about war powers and

1915
01:55:03,510 --> 01:55:06,120
how this has been operated over
the course of several decades

1916
01:55:06,120 --> 01:55:08,640
moving away from Congress. Do
you think those concerns have

1917
01:55:08,640 --> 01:55:11,550
merit? There is some merit to
them. But the fact that matter

1918
01:55:11,550 --> 01:55:15,360
is the War Powers Act has very
rarely been used in advance of

1919
01:55:15,360 --> 01:55:18,540
these things. What you'll see is
the President issue was a

1920
01:55:18,600 --> 01:55:22,590
notification probably in the
next few hours about why he

1921
01:55:22,620 --> 01:55:26,070
engaged here. I don't think the
President's gonna have a hard

1922
01:55:26,070 --> 01:55:29,790
time making a case because it
was just a week ago that we saw

1923
01:55:29,790 --> 01:55:34,560
some of the cooties open fire on
US Navy helicopters. And they

1924
01:55:34,560 --> 01:55:38,070
responded by sinking those three
ships. And then there were

1925
01:55:38,700 --> 01:55:44,160
barraged with 21 missiles and
drones that came in the

1926
01:55:44,160 --> 01:55:47,250
direction of American forces. I
think the President's gonna be

1927
01:55:47,250 --> 01:55:50,820
able to establish a pretty good
case for why he took these out

1928
01:55:50,820 --> 01:55:51,480
on the ground

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01:55:52,590 --> 01:55:56,190
John C Dvorak: Well, first of
all the BBC in the three by

1930
01:55:56,190 --> 01:56:01,920
three mentioned self defense
emphasized that he did so yeah,

1931
01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:04,290
that was mentioned they didn't
count they did Yeah, they did.

1932
01:56:05,370 --> 01:56:08,640
Well, so that so the self
defense thing is fine then you

1933
01:56:08,640 --> 01:56:11,850
can just use that and you don't
have to deal with any of this

1934
01:56:11,940 --> 01:56:13,440
which I think is what they're
gonna do.

1935
01:56:13,860 --> 01:56:16,410
Adam Curry: How about this one
more thing?

1936
01:56:18,420 --> 01:56:21,360
John C Dvorak: Was it the ship
the tanker whatever the hell it

1937
01:56:21,360 --> 01:56:25,200
was captured by the Houthis How
can we just don't go take that

1938
01:56:25,200 --> 01:56:30,660
back? We got battleships there
we why don't we just boy don't

1939
01:56:30,660 --> 01:56:34,920
battleships anymore but we have
plenty of firepower we could go

1940
01:56:34,920 --> 01:56:37,500
surround that ship and take
those guys off of there when we

1941
01:56:37,500 --> 01:56:38,160
do that said

1942
01:56:38,160 --> 01:56:40,770
Adam Curry: sure it's a tourist
attraction because his bull

1943
01:56:40,770 --> 01:56:45,180
crowd comes Hey, man, it was a
GoPro with horizon correction.

1944
01:56:45,210 --> 01:56:51,210
Listen. How about this just
first scenario Lloyd Austin is

1945
01:56:51,210 --> 01:56:54,930
actually a by the book kind of
guy I'm just just throwing it

1946
01:56:54,930 --> 01:56:58,290
out there we can laugh all we
want diversity hired cetera it's

1947
01:56:58,290 --> 01:57:03,510
all fine. He was definitely
respected within the ranks. He

1948
01:57:03,540 --> 01:57:06,990
he actually got a you know, the,
you're supposed to have a

1949
01:57:06,990 --> 01:57:09,630
civilian running the US
military, they got a special

1950
01:57:09,630 --> 01:57:12,690
exemption from Congress so that
he can become the defense

1951
01:57:12,690 --> 01:57:17,550
secretary. What if he is the guy
that you know, I got, I'm gonna

1952
01:57:17,550 --> 01:57:20,700
have I got bought cancer,
prostate removal, I'm just gonna

1953
01:57:20,700 --> 01:57:23,520
bear down do it. We'll be home
in a day. It's like I can do

1954
01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:28,470
this is what we military men do.
Maybe he is by the book guy. And

1955
01:57:28,470 --> 01:57:31,680
there are elements who would
like we need to have this war,

1956
01:57:31,860 --> 01:57:35,520
we need to be striking the
Houthis we don't want to deal

1957
01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:39,600
with stupid Congress. We don't
want anybody in our way. The

1958
01:57:39,600 --> 01:57:45,210
President is brain dead. And
probably a little bit worried

1959
01:57:45,210 --> 01:57:48,390
that one of these days his his
advisors and consultants are

1960
01:57:48,390 --> 01:57:51,630
going to say, hey, you know,
your genocide Joe, you got

1961
01:57:51,630 --> 01:57:54,750
people outside the White House
1000s of people protesting,

1962
01:57:55,080 --> 01:57:57,930
you're gonna lose the election,
we're gonna lose our butts here.

1963
01:57:58,500 --> 01:58:01,800
You got to stop this or do
something and the MRC comes in

1964
01:58:01,800 --> 01:58:07,470
and says, ah, get Austin out of
the way. Boom, get them out of

1965
01:58:07,470 --> 01:58:12,570
the way. So we can just go Go,
go go go fire, who knows who

1966
01:58:12,570 --> 01:58:17,700
gave the order for this? We
could be under complete military

1967
01:58:17,730 --> 01:58:20,580
industrial complex control at
this point, doing whatever they

1968
01:58:20,580 --> 01:58:24,960
want. That's just another
scenario. I'm not saying that. I

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John C Dvorak: I wish I had a
strong argument against it.

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Well,

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Adam Curry: there is always of
course, peace. I'd love to make

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peace. I know. I'd love to make
peace profitable. Again. I have

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thought but that's not for this
show. That we have the two state

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solution. We also have something
new which Fox 21 news came up

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with. Secretary

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Unknown: of State Antony Blinken
is pressuring both sides and the

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Gaza conflict to come together
as the war grinds on with no end

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in sight. Blinking is pushing
for an agreement into a

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political solution that would
lead to a Palestinian state with

1980
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significant changes to the
current leadership that you

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state solution is also a key
domain Come on,

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John C Dvorak: man. Did you hear
it? The Jewish state solution

1983
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Adam Curry: do state solution

1984
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Unknown: so the current
leadership that you state

1985
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solution is also a key because
that's

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Adam Curry: the best gaff ever
there it is. There's the juice

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state solution that's that's the
answer. As always,

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John C Dvorak: I am definitely
not one to pick on people for

1989
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that sort of thing. In

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Adam Curry: the Middle East we
know the argument really is only

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about one thing.

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John C Dvorak: Oil Pipelines No.
Two things no is nothing no. Who

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make dates,

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Adam Curry: who makes better
hummus.

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Unknown: Guys, for to orange
hummus in San Francisco South of

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Market neighborhood proudly
serves Israeli cuisine but

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Friday morning when the general
manager opened up shop, he was

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greeted with this message. Do
you condemn your hummus spray

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painted on the ground at the
front entrance. And on nearby

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utility poles flyers were
posted. They called for a

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boycott of six eateries that are
being described as really food

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and sinus businesses in San
Francisco. We were

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very shocked. Right? We're very
shocked. And the main thing is

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we're concerned about the safety
of our team and the people that

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work for us.

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General Manager Randy O'Connor
says he has 45 employees at this

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location. He tells me three
weeks earlier, similar flyers

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were posted on the windows of
the restaurants Palo Alto

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location, Connor says while this
is a Jewish owned business, the

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focus is solely on food, not
politics, or

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in Thomas was created just to
share the food from the region.

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Right we serve great hummus and
we do it well. The flyers

2013
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are posted in front of other
Jewish owned businesses in

2014
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various neighborhoods, including
Chinatown. People tell me off

2015
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camera that they saw a large
group of young people

2016
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participating in a pro Palestine
demonstration against Israel

2017
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posting these flyers along
various streets on Wednesday. We

2018
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saw city workers removing some
flyers Friday night. condemn

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Adam Curry: your hummus.

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John C Dvorak: Sky have had good
hummus,

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Adam Curry: yes, I've had good
hummus too. I

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John C Dvorak: was taken to a
restaurant in Jaffa and

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specifically to have the hummus
which is made daily by a bunch

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of old ladies in the basement
grinding away by hand and mortar

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and pestles to get the
consistency. That's perfect. And

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I will say that good. Hamas is
pretty spectacular.

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Adam Curry: No argument. You
should

2028
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John C Dvorak: know that I had a
Hamas good hum. And I had I had

2029
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a good Hamas in Los Angeles. At
a I think it was a Palestinian

2030
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restaurant. not absolutely sure.
But it was a very obscure little

2031
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place, it was near a b&b that we
were all staying at. And the

2032
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hummus there was just like this,
this stuff I had in Israel. And

2033
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it was she was just I want to if
I'd go daily, I'm gonna drive

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past her and get some to go.

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Adam Curry: Hamas from the
region should be the title of

2036
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the book. Hamas from the region.
Let's stay in the San Francisco

2037
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region for a moment. Nancy
Pelosi is backyard she's out and

2038
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promoting and talking and for
Biden against Trump. And she's

2039
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on CNN. And it's always fun,
because Nancy is just a bundle

2040
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of laughs in

2041
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Unknown: the election year. And
the President has been working

2042
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very hard over the past three
years to do what is necessary to

2043
02:02:47,220 --> 02:02:51,120
meet the needs of the American
people. Now he can go talk about

2044
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it. And he has a lot to say,
people have to know because

2045
02:02:55,230 --> 02:02:58,890
their kitchen table needs are
what are important to them. And

2046
02:02:58,890 --> 02:03:02,490
the democracy message relates to
the kitchen table democracy is a

2047
02:03:02,490 --> 02:03:07,050
personal issue, freedom of
choice to have a win. And if you

2048
02:03:07,050 --> 02:03:12,720
have a family freedom to to
enjoy your work have knowing you

2049
02:03:12,720 --> 02:03:16,470
have a pension so that your
family will be secure the

2050
02:03:16,470 --> 02:03:20,070
education of your children the
safety of the environment in

2051
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which they live, he scores very
high on all of those points. And

2052
02:03:25,110 --> 02:03:29,400
many people are appreciating and
enjoying it. They just are not

2053
02:03:29,400 --> 02:03:33,570
giving him credit for it. And
this is what we have to do now

2054
02:03:33,570 --> 02:03:36,870
is to make sure that not only
the president, but other

2055
02:03:36,870 --> 02:03:41,910
validators come forward to to
say what he's done. But what's

2056
02:03:41,910 --> 02:03:45,840
really important to people is
what he is going to do. Nobody

2057
02:03:45,870 --> 02:03:48,390
votes for you for what you've
done, right? They want to know

2058
02:03:48,420 --> 02:03:50,340
what comes next, what you

2059
02:03:50,340 --> 02:03:52,530
John C Dvorak: raise prices more
in what universe

2060
02:03:52,530 --> 02:03:57,390
Adam Curry: is that? Everybody
votes for what you've done, how

2061
02:03:57,390 --> 02:04:01,320
does she even come up with this
bogus nonsense, but he's gonna

2062
02:04:01,320 --> 02:04:02,100
do if you

2063
02:04:02,100 --> 02:04:04,470
Unknown: look at the legislative
record that you were detailing

2064
02:04:04,650 --> 02:04:06,930
the President had in the first
two years and the way that an

2065
02:04:07,110 --> 02:04:10,350
individual basis, every single
piece that you laid out their

2066
02:04:10,350 --> 02:04:15,360
polls quite well. And yet, this
is a neck and neck race. And no

2067
02:04:15,360 --> 02:04:17,460
one feels very comfortable on
the Democratic side of things

2068
02:04:17,460 --> 02:04:19,380
that Donald Trump isn't going to
be the next president.

2069
02:04:20,460 --> 02:04:24,210
But I don't think that nobody
feels I think many of us know

2070
02:04:24,210 --> 02:04:28,290
that it's impossible. For him to
be the president again, what

2071
02:04:28,290 --> 02:04:31,860
we're proposing will be
constantly new talking about

2072
02:04:31,860 --> 02:04:34,950
what he's talking about now is
more tax cuts for corporate

2073
02:04:34,950 --> 02:04:39,540
America and taking them down so
low to the detriment of our

2074
02:04:39,540 --> 02:04:43,380
budget and meeting the needs of
people that people have to know.

2075
02:04:43,530 --> 02:04:47,580
I have said over and over again.
President LinkedIn said public

2076
02:04:47,580 --> 02:04:50,550
sentiment is everything right
with it, you can accomplish

2077
02:04:50,550 --> 02:04:54,540
almost anything without it.
Practically nothing. But public

2078
02:04:54,540 --> 02:04:58,740
sentiment has to be informed. We
will have to know so we can talk

2079
02:04:58,740 --> 02:05:02,520
more about what he is on what it
means at the kitchen table for

2080
02:05:02,520 --> 02:05:05,970
people to have lower costs for
prescription drugs, lower costs

2081
02:05:05,970 --> 02:05:08,880
for health care, because it's
not just about their good

2082
02:05:08,880 --> 02:05:12,300
health, it's about their
financial health and security as

2083
02:05:12,300 --> 02:05:13,800
well. This

2084
02:05:13,800 --> 02:05:17,040
Adam Curry: is so wrong from a
consultant standpoint. First of

2085
02:05:17,040 --> 02:05:21,540
all, kitchen table. I mean, what
that was, that was the days of

2086
02:05:21,540 --> 02:05:24,750
Roosevelt. No one cares about
your kitchen table issue.

2087
02:05:24,750 --> 02:05:31,860
Second, bringing up the the
racist, Abraham Lincoln. How can

2088
02:05:31,860 --> 02:05:32,970
they be using him?

2089
02:05:34,590 --> 02:05:38,040
John C Dvorak: That makes no
sense is a rambling she's lost

2090
02:05:38,040 --> 02:05:39,390
it. There is,

2091
02:05:39,390 --> 02:05:43,050
Adam Curry: however, an
important important change. We

2092
02:05:43,050 --> 02:05:47,310
have a hero coming to the rescue
to help Joe Biden, US

2093
02:05:47,310 --> 02:05:49,920
Unknown: climate envoy and
former Secretary of State John

2094
02:05:49,920 --> 02:05:53,190
Kerry is leaving the Biden
administration later this winter

2095
02:05:53,340 --> 02:05:56,310
to join the President's
reelection campaign. Kerry, who

2096
02:05:56,310 --> 02:05:59,970
ran for president in 2004, was
instrumental in helping to

2097
02:05:59,970 --> 02:06:03,690
broker the 2015 Paris Climate
Agreement. Yeah,

2098
02:06:03,930 --> 02:06:07,080
Adam Curry: you know, when I'm
thinking I'm thinking he's going

2099
02:06:07,080 --> 02:06:13,980
to help Joe. And, you know, I
might have a shot and 2028. Care

2100
02:06:13,980 --> 02:06:18,330
Carrie wants to be president.
He's he's getting in. He's

2101
02:06:18,330 --> 02:06:19,290
getting in the game.

2102
02:06:21,660 --> 02:06:24,150
John C Dvorak: Well, I'm sure
you're right about he wants to

2103
02:06:24,150 --> 02:06:31,470
be president. Yes, but nobody
wants him to be president. He

2104
02:06:31,470 --> 02:06:32,970
said him and his wife.

2105
02:06:34,290 --> 02:06:36,810
Adam Curry: Yes, of course. But
this front, and you know, the

2106
02:06:36,810 --> 02:06:39,840
only problem is we have a
moratorium, we just we can't do

2107
02:06:39,840 --> 02:06:43,080
anything with the guy and we
can't play clips. He's boring.

2108
02:06:43,500 --> 02:06:45,570
He just usually does nothing
good to

2109
02:06:45,570 --> 02:06:48,690
John C Dvorak: say you have
busted the moratorium more than

2110
02:06:48,690 --> 02:06:49,650
a few times. I'm

2111
02:06:49,650 --> 02:06:53,220
Adam Curry: trying to keep
myself away from it. Well, it's

2112
02:06:53,220 --> 02:06:55,920
too bad. We'll miss him on the
climate stage. He's all he's

2113
02:06:55,950 --> 02:06:58,950
always the guy who buys the
drinks at the COP. You know,

2114
02:06:58,950 --> 02:07:02,160
he's he's got money. He's got
the credit card. He's got he's

2115
02:07:02,160 --> 02:07:03,420
got the White House credit card,

2116
02:07:04,500 --> 02:07:07,470
John C Dvorak: Bourbon credit
card, and as soon as he jet

2117
02:07:07,530 --> 02:07:12,990
Adam Curry: so I found two
individual stories on let me

2118
02:07:12,990 --> 02:07:17,250
see. I'm gonna make it right.
One about Germany from Deutsche

2119
02:07:17,250 --> 02:07:21,420
Avella. And then another one
from France. 24. And I just

2120
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thought this was very peculiar.
They're both like eight minute

2121
02:07:24,330 --> 02:07:28,020
pieces. I just took the intro
from each and we start knows we

2122
02:07:28,020 --> 02:07:31,980
know Germany is losing their
industry. They shut all the coal

2123
02:07:31,980 --> 02:07:33,870
plants that have no way to

2124
02:07:33,870 --> 02:07:37,080
John C Dvorak: right yeah, they
shut down the nuclear plants and

2125
02:07:37,080 --> 02:07:37,560
everything,

2126
02:07:37,590 --> 02:07:41,190
Adam Curry: everything. So they
have the whole open. So they

2127
02:07:41,190 --> 02:07:44,880
have the furnaces, they make
steel, all this stuff is a very

2128
02:07:44,880 --> 02:07:48,360
energy intensive, and they have
a solution.

2129
02:07:49,530 --> 02:07:52,020
Unknown: It is a massive
industry that needs phasing out.

2130
02:07:52,380 --> 02:07:55,470
Over the next few decades, the
global fossil fuel industry will

2131
02:07:55,470 --> 02:07:59,940
change and changing with it
opportunities, jobs and even

2132
02:07:59,940 --> 02:08:03,810
prosperity. But one region in
Germany could be a poster child

2133
02:08:03,810 --> 02:08:07,620
for how to do this transition.
And if I can contribute to

2134
02:08:07,620 --> 02:08:10,440
driving this hydrogen
production, I'll be extremely

2135
02:08:10,440 --> 02:08:12,840
proud of myself. If it doesn't
work

2136
02:08:12,840 --> 02:08:14,730
John C Dvorak: in the rural
region, it will work anywhere.

2137
02:08:16,530 --> 02:08:19,140
Unknown: The look of it used to
be Germany's powerhouse with

2138
02:08:19,140 --> 02:08:22,320
coal mines and steel
manufacturing. Now, it turns to

2139
02:08:22,320 --> 02:08:24,870
hydrogen to transform his local
economy to

2140
02:08:25,230 --> 02:08:26,790
cost a lot of money. That's for
sure.

2141
02:08:28,500 --> 02:08:32,400
Adam Curry: So the idea now is
we're going to use as we

2142
02:08:32,400 --> 02:08:35,490
predicted, as we've been on this
tip, we're going to use clean

2143
02:08:35,490 --> 02:08:41,250
hydrogen, hydrogen to power the
furnaces of Germany the

2144
02:08:41,250 --> 02:08:45,060
industrial engine of the
European Union. Where will we

2145
02:08:45,060 --> 02:08:49,230
get this hydrogen is rogue good.
Where will we get this hydrogen

2146
02:08:49,230 --> 02:08:52,470
from? France? 24 has an answer
theory

2147
02:08:52,470 --> 02:08:56,820
Unknown: deep underground and
unexpected source of carbon free

2148
02:08:56,850 --> 02:09:01,740
energy. France, scientists have
uncovered vast deposits of

2149
02:09:01,740 --> 02:09:06,240
natural hydrogen, one of the
cleanest fuels in nature, the

2150
02:09:06,240 --> 02:09:10,800
discovery could be the biggest
of its kind so far, spurring a

2151
02:09:10,800 --> 02:09:14,190
global energy race for the field
of the future.

2152
02:09:15,480 --> 02:09:18,630
Adam Curry: So how about that
the guys who fight the world

2153
02:09:18,630 --> 02:09:23,400
wars France or Germany? Germany
needs the hydrogen France

2154
02:09:23,400 --> 02:09:26,670
apparently has just discovered
the mother lode of hydrogen. I

2155
02:09:26,670 --> 02:09:28,830
John C Dvorak: would like some
chemists out there to tell or

2156
02:09:28,830 --> 02:09:32,580
somebody is in the business of
steelmaking to tell me how

2157
02:09:32,580 --> 02:09:37,110
hydrogen can be can get to the
temperatures of coal and Coke,

2158
02:09:37,410 --> 02:09:40,560
which just get to enormous
temperatures when they're

2159
02:09:40,560 --> 02:09:44,430
burning, as opposed to hydrogen,
which is actually kind of a mild

2160
02:09:44,430 --> 02:09:45,180
flame.

2161
02:09:46,710 --> 02:09:48,180
Adam Curry: This is why there's
two of us.

2162
02:09:49,800 --> 02:09:51,870
John C Dvorak: I just want
somebody to tell me what how

2163
02:09:51,870 --> 02:09:55,140
they're going to do it. I don't
know.

2164
02:09:56,640 --> 02:09:58,680
Adam Curry: Got an emergency
alert this morning. Just stick

2165
02:09:58,680 --> 02:10:01,950
it on the climate change tip.
emergency alert from Alberta,

2166
02:10:02,130 --> 02:10:07,740
Canada. This is an emergency
alert issued by the AMA. This

2167
02:10:07,740 --> 02:10:11,580
alert is in effect for AB
Alberta. Extreme cold resulting

2168
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in high power demand has placed
the Alberta grid at a high risk

2169
02:10:14,580 --> 02:10:18,300
of rotating power outages this
evening. Albertans are asked to

2170
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immediately limit their
electricity use to essential

2171
02:10:20,430 --> 02:10:22,980
needs only turn off unnecessary
lights and electrical

2172
02:10:22,980 --> 02:10:27,540
appliances, minimize the use of
space heaters delay use of major

2173
02:10:27,540 --> 02:10:31,830
power appliances, and do not
charge your electrical vehicles.

2174
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John C Dvorak: Don't charge your
car. That way. If all hell

2175
02:10:36,450 --> 02:10:38,490
breaks loose, you won't be able
to go anywhere

2176
02:10:38,520 --> 02:10:42,660
Adam Curry: and you're dead. By
the way. If you're in Texas

2177
02:10:42,660 --> 02:10:46,020
enjoy your Eevee they don't have
the same range when it's this

2178
02:10:46,020 --> 02:10:49,950
cold. They have no range when
it's that cold got to have some

2179
02:10:49,950 --> 02:10:51,270
range, you can get to the next

2180
02:10:51,360 --> 02:10:53,700
John C Dvorak: plug, you can
maybe get to the next plug

2181
02:10:53,700 --> 02:10:55,560
charging station if you're
lucky.

2182
02:10:56,670 --> 02:11:01,410
Adam Curry: Hertz is going to
sell 20,000 EVs because

2183
02:11:01,410 --> 02:11:07,980
customers don't like him. Yeah,
you can get a good deal though.

2184
02:11:08,010 --> 02:11:10,740
You can get a Tesla for 18
grand.

2185
02:11:11,520 --> 02:11:14,850
John C Dvorak: Oh, it's not bad.
Is it a three though those

2186
02:11:14,850 --> 02:11:15,660
things are ugly.

2187
02:11:16,620 --> 02:11:20,070
Adam Curry: And the EPA finally
set out the rules for proposed

2188
02:11:20,070 --> 02:11:25,440
methane fee for waste generated
by oil and natural gas

2189
02:11:25,440 --> 02:11:31,080
companies. This is a scandal.
oil and natural gas companies

2190
02:11:31,080 --> 02:11:34,920
for the first time would have to
pay a fee for methane emissions

2191
02:11:34,950 --> 02:11:38,370
that exceeds certain levels
under a rule proposed Friday by

2192
02:11:38,370 --> 02:11:43,320
the Biden administration. And
this is because they presume or

2193
02:11:43,320 --> 02:11:48,060
maybe assume that they all that
these companies always leak

2194
02:11:48,390 --> 02:11:53,400
methane, which is not true. And
I told him I talked to the oil

2195
02:11:53,400 --> 02:11:57,660
baron or sent him this link. My
buddy the oil baron. He says oh

2196
02:11:57,660 --> 02:12:03,090
yeah, he gave me the numbers
says the EPA wants to find them.

2197
02:12:03,120 --> 02:12:08,370
$8 million. He says I'm able to
talk it down to five but we

2198
02:12:08,370 --> 02:12:12,180
can't you know, show me where
we're leaking is just an algo

2199
02:12:12,570 --> 02:12:16,890
they just said oh you it's this
big yearly hand this. You have

2200
02:12:16,890 --> 02:12:18,360
to be leaking. Well,

2201
02:12:18,360 --> 02:12:21,810
John C Dvorak: that's what Adele
ago says. Oh, yeah, exactly. You

2202
02:12:21,810 --> 02:12:24,420
have to be Lea. Well, we're not
leaking. Well, you have to be

2203
02:12:24,420 --> 02:12:27,420
leaking. Well, we're not you
can't find any leaks. No, no,

2204
02:12:27,420 --> 02:12:29,580
no, that's not what the computer
says. Yeah.

2205
02:12:29,610 --> 02:12:37,050
Adam Curry: Computer says no. I
mean, that's that's not the

2206
02:12:37,050 --> 02:12:39,240
future. Yeah, definitely.

2207
02:12:39,270 --> 02:12:41,730
John C Dvorak: So we had the
Taiwan election. I have some

2208
02:12:41,730 --> 02:12:46,140
clips. Okay. The Taiwanese did
not elect the Chinese guy. The

2209
02:12:46,170 --> 02:12:49,020
Chinese were they're all
Chinese. But the Chinese guy who

2210
02:12:49,020 --> 02:12:52,740
is pro China even though this
may or may not cause a problem

2211
02:12:52,740 --> 02:12:52,980
is

2212
02:12:53,550 --> 02:12:56,370
Adam Curry: like the guy who was
who was anti China, right? Well,

2213
02:12:56,370 --> 02:13:00,300
John C Dvorak: yeah, but he's
not that anti China. It's really

2214
02:13:00,300 --> 02:13:02,250
anti China. They just don't want
to be

2215
02:13:02,280 --> 02:13:04,410
Adam Curry: if you're anti
China, you're dead is basically

2216
02:13:04,410 --> 02:13:06,570
the idea. Yeah, they're just

2217
02:13:07,440 --> 02:13:10,470
John C Dvorak: China, China
skeptic in terms of China taking

2218
02:13:10,470 --> 02:13:14,700
over the place. Okay, actually
enjoy after all these years.

2219
02:13:15,900 --> 02:13:18,750
Having a little of democracy
there that seems to work. And

2220
02:13:18,750 --> 02:13:24,390
they're all so much more. The
per capita income and the per

2221
02:13:24,390 --> 02:13:29,070
capita wealth in that country is
higher than it is in China

2222
02:13:29,070 --> 02:13:31,710
score, Taiwan election PBS,

2223
02:13:33,120 --> 02:13:39,240
Unknown: elitist voices of
America. This is NPR. We're PBS

2224
02:13:39,270 --> 02:13:42,540
Taiwanese voters rebuffed China
by electing as president a

2225
02:13:42,540 --> 02:13:45,510
candidate who rejects China's
claim of sovereignty over

2226
02:13:45,510 --> 02:13:49,650
Taiwan. The victory of light
chain gives the ruling party an

2227
02:13:49,650 --> 02:13:53,640
unprecedented third presidential
term, in his victory speech lie

2228
02:13:53,640 --> 02:13:57,660
promise to safeguard Taiwan's
autonomy. So,

2229
02:13:58,050 --> 02:13:59,820
for instance, you we are telling

2230
02:13:59,820 --> 02:14:02,430
the international community that
between democracy and

2231
02:14:02,430 --> 02:14:05,940
authoritarianism we stand on the
side of democracy, Taiwan will

2232
02:14:05,940 --> 02:14:09,210
continue to walk side by side
with democracies from around the

2233
02:14:09,210 --> 02:14:09,720
world.

2234
02:14:10,110 --> 02:14:14,220
China responded with a statement
saying Taiwan is China's Taiwan.

2235
02:14:14,490 --> 02:14:18,090
This election will not change
the basic landscape. The Biden

2236
02:14:18,090 --> 02:14:21,630
administration congratulated ly,
but responding to a reporter's

2237
02:14:21,630 --> 02:14:24,390
question this morning, President
Biden said the United States

2238
02:14:24,390 --> 02:14:28,230
does not support independence
for Taiwan lies to be

2239
02:14:28,260 --> 02:14:31,050
configurated in May row.

2240
02:14:31,560 --> 02:14:32,910
Adam Curry: Okay. Well,

2241
02:14:32,910 --> 02:14:34,980
John C Dvorak: it turns out that
that's what he's been saying all

2242
02:14:34,980 --> 02:14:39,840
along, but the Taiwanese do some
reading, they seem to think that

2243
02:14:39,930 --> 02:14:43,410
they get they're already
independent. They don't need

2244
02:14:43,410 --> 02:14:49,470
anybody's, you know. Anybody's
saying they are. I

2245
02:14:49,470 --> 02:14:52,470
Adam Curry: mean, to me, it
seems like China is pretty

2246
02:14:52,470 --> 02:14:56,430
clear. They want to have a very
nice calm integration of Taiwan

2247
02:14:56,430 --> 02:14:57,840
into China eventually,

2248
02:14:57,900 --> 02:14:59,700
John C Dvorak: that's where my
guess is, but let's go there

2249
02:14:59,700 --> 02:15:02,370
now. Have some analysis from the
same PBS station

2250
02:15:02,370 --> 02:15:04,350
Adam Curry: that says is that
the I'm sorry? Oh, yes.

2251
02:15:05,340 --> 02:15:08,340
Unknown: Here we go. What that
says is that the KMT itself is

2252
02:15:08,340 --> 02:15:09,450
not speaking.

2253
02:15:11,429 --> 02:15:14,549
Adam Curry: I'm so sorry. I put
him in the wrong order to here's

2254
02:15:14,549 --> 02:15:14,819
one.

2255
02:15:14,850 --> 02:15:17,490
Unknown: The Taiwanese
presidential election has big

2256
02:15:17,490 --> 02:15:20,910
implications for both Beijing
and Washington. President Elect

2257
02:15:20,910 --> 02:15:24,810
Lai Ching, also known as William
rejects Beijing's claim of

2258
02:15:24,810 --> 02:15:25,380
sovereignty.

2259
02:15:27,090 --> 02:15:29,550
Adam Curry: That was great. The
Taiwanese

2260
02:15:29,550 --> 02:15:32,460
Unknown: presidential election
has big implications for both

2261
02:15:32,460 --> 02:15:35,940
Beijing and Washington.
President Elect Lai Ching, also

2262
02:15:35,940 --> 02:15:39,180
known as William rejects
Beijing's claim of sovereignty

2263
02:15:39,180 --> 02:15:42,900
over Taiwan. Earlier, Ali Rogen
spoke with destiny, Ellen

2264
02:15:42,900 --> 02:15:45,930
Ebrahimian, the China reporter
for Axios, who's based in

2265
02:15:45,930 --> 02:15:47,670
Taiwan, what were the issues

2266
02:15:47,700 --> 02:15:52,050
that Taiwanese voters were most
concerned with? And what do

2267
02:15:52,050 --> 02:15:56,190
those issues say about the fact
that William y has won? Well,

2268
02:15:56,190 --> 02:15:58,950
Taiwanese voters in this
election as with every

2269
02:15:58,950 --> 02:16:03,480
presidential election, we're
concerned about cross strait

2270
02:16:03,480 --> 02:16:07,080
relations in Taiwan's
presidential elections. The the

2271
02:16:07,080 --> 02:16:10,170
relationship with China is
always a key issue. And that was

2272
02:16:10,170 --> 02:16:14,640
certainly the case this year.
Over the past year or so the

2273
02:16:14,640 --> 02:16:18,960
Chinese government has been
increasingly aggressive in its

2274
02:16:19,080 --> 02:16:23,790
coercive actions towards Taiwan.
And so voters and the parties

2275
02:16:23,790 --> 02:16:29,100
themselves made that a key issue
the KMT cast this election as a

2276
02:16:29,100 --> 02:16:33,750
choice between war and peace.
Vote for the KMT is a vote for

2277
02:16:33,750 --> 02:16:37,500
peace with China. They said a
vote for the DPP as a vote for

2278
02:16:37,500 --> 02:16:42,090
war. Whereas the DPP cast this
as an election that was a choice

2279
02:16:42,090 --> 02:16:46,470
between democracy and
authoritarianism, with a rising

2280
02:16:46,590 --> 02:16:49,860
China, you know, a sort of
specter of authoritarianism

2281
02:16:49,860 --> 02:16:54,870
looming over Taiwan. But those
weren't the only issues. You

2282
02:16:54,870 --> 02:16:58,050
know, basically on the ballot
this year, the economy,

2283
02:16:58,200 --> 02:17:03,720
unemployment, and high home
prices were also very much on

2284
02:17:03,720 --> 02:17:09,060
voters minds. Now, the fact that
the DPP one part of that has to

2285
02:17:09,060 --> 02:17:13,320
do with the fact that this year
for the first time, there was a

2286
02:17:13,320 --> 02:17:17,820
very significant third party on
the ballot, that's the Taiwan

2287
02:17:17,820 --> 02:17:21,840
People's Party and their
candidate Cohen and Cohen Jaya

2288
02:17:21,840 --> 02:17:26,760
got more than 20% of the vote,
which is unprecedented. Now he

2289
02:17:26,760 --> 02:17:32,910
was pulling mostly from the KMT.
So if the TPP had not run, then

2290
02:17:32,910 --> 02:17:35,340
it's possible we would have seen
a KMT victory.

2291
02:17:37,830 --> 02:17:40,170
John C Dvorak: Light that was a
reference to what's going to

2292
02:17:40,170 --> 02:17:45,660
happen when Kennedy runs. What
do you mean, he's gonna take

2293
02:17:45,690 --> 02:17:48,390
votes away from one of these two
candidates with one?

2294
02:17:50,100 --> 02:17:54,540
Adam Curry: Light trunk light
Ching T, also known as William,

2295
02:17:54,630 --> 02:18:00,720
but you can call him Bill.
Willie? Hmm.

2296
02:18:03,150 --> 02:18:05,130
John C Dvorak: All right. We
have just said the second part

2297
02:18:05,130 --> 02:18:06,750
of this and rapid. What

2298
02:18:06,750 --> 02:18:11,010
Unknown: that says is that the
KMT itself is not speaking to

2299
02:18:11,010 --> 02:18:15,030
Taiwanese voters, they still
think that they still say that a

2300
02:18:15,030 --> 02:18:19,110
close relationship with China is
the best way to guarantee Taiwan

2301
02:18:19,110 --> 02:18:23,520
security. Most Taiwanese voters
or many Taiwanese voters just

2302
02:18:23,520 --> 02:18:26,970
don't feel that that's true
anymore. Hmm.

2303
02:18:28,260 --> 02:18:32,490
Adam Curry: Well, I mean, we
clearly we don't want a war with

2304
02:18:32,490 --> 02:18:36,990
China. We don't want that. It's
not gonna happen. We're not

2305
02:18:36,990 --> 02:18:42,210
selling anything. Taiwan's not
buying much a couple f6 teens? I

2306
02:18:42,210 --> 02:18:45,810
mean, it's much better in the
region. Where Yeah, I agree.

2307
02:18:47,070 --> 02:18:47,700
Yeah, sorry.

2308
02:18:48,000 --> 02:18:50,070
John C Dvorak: I think that the
whole idea that there's going to

2309
02:18:50,070 --> 02:18:52,560
be a war, any minute is
overblown. I think that's just

2310
02:18:52,560 --> 02:18:54,240
done to sell more stuff. No,

2311
02:18:54,270 --> 02:18:56,370
Adam Curry: we're just gonna
continue blowing stuff up in the

2312
02:18:56,370 --> 02:19:00,000
region. And the Red Sea is
great. And the you know, just

2313
02:19:00,000 --> 02:19:02,550
have to make sure oil doesn't go
up, but doesn't even matter.

2314
02:19:02,550 --> 02:19:07,470
Because it doesn't matter. You
know, it just came out of my

2315
02:19:07,470 --> 02:19:10,050
mouth. But I think the military
industrial complex is running

2316
02:19:10,050 --> 02:19:13,470
everything right now. They're
not gonna waste their time in

2317
02:19:13,470 --> 02:19:14,820
Taiwan against China.

2318
02:19:16,260 --> 02:19:17,610
John C Dvorak: Not too, too
risky,

2319
02:19:17,670 --> 02:19:25,050
Adam Curry: way too risky. No.
All right, well, take a break.

2320
02:19:25,650 --> 02:19:25,950
Well,

2321
02:19:25,950 --> 02:19:29,040
John C Dvorak: I want to play my
one clip of footage from a

2322
02:19:29,040 --> 02:19:33,570
congressman bitching about to
TSA just to get into the clip.

2323
02:19:34,500 --> 02:19:36,060
This is Wesley hunt.

2324
02:19:36,179 --> 02:19:39,869
Unknown: Yes, it was created
after 911 to oversee security

2325
02:19:39,989 --> 02:19:44,579
and all modes of transportation,
including aviation safety. As an

2326
02:19:44,579 --> 02:19:47,249
American, you know, we have to
go through security screening

2327
02:19:47,249 --> 02:19:50,399
and board a plane just like
everybody else. And what you

2328
02:19:50,399 --> 02:19:53,699
also may know was that the TSA
has an entirely different

2329
02:19:53,699 --> 02:19:58,859
standard for illegal immigrants.
Yes, that's right. Yes. There's

2330
02:19:58,859 --> 02:20:03,509
a different set of was for you,
the American public and illegal

2331
02:20:03,689 --> 02:20:08,099
immigrants? Yes. You've all seen
the TSA check line, of course.

2332
02:20:08,549 --> 02:20:12,659
Well, I have news for you.
Biden's DHS has created another

2333
02:20:12,659 --> 02:20:17,489
line. And here is a picture to
prove it. This is a line in the

2334
02:20:17,489 --> 02:20:21,389
Tucson airport specially made
for non citizens. And as you can

2335
02:20:21,389 --> 02:20:26,879
see, the sign says non US
citizens without passports,

2336
02:20:26,969 --> 02:20:32,369
enter here without passports,
that just tip of the iceberg.

2337
02:20:33,299 --> 02:20:35,879
These illegal illegal immigrants
may go unvetted with no

2338
02:20:35,879 --> 02:20:40,259
verifiable photo ID at all. And
I guess Biden in my work is

2339
02:20:40,259 --> 02:20:43,589
going to talk to trust that
these people are going to say

2340
02:20:43,829 --> 02:20:47,039
who they are based on just their
honesty and their word alone.

2341
02:20:47,429 --> 02:20:50,549
You know, what a valid form of
ideas for an illegal alien,

2342
02:20:50,549 --> 02:20:55,439
according to USA Today. And
arrest warrant not making that

2343
02:20:55,439 --> 02:21:00,149
up. could get on a plane. It's
an arrest warrant. And if an

2344
02:21:00,149 --> 02:21:02,489
arrest warrant could get an
illegal alien on domestic

2345
02:21:02,489 --> 02:21:06,689
flight, then why can't it get
them a one way ticket to jail

2346
02:21:06,839 --> 02:21:09,689
where they belong. This is not
only an assault on American

2347
02:21:09,689 --> 02:21:14,579
citizen but a grave threat to
our national security. I'm a

2348
02:21:14,579 --> 02:21:18,959
member of Congress. I have TSA
PreCheck and clear and when I

2349
02:21:18,959 --> 02:21:23,279
get screened by TSA, I have to
prove that I am who I say I am

2350
02:21:23,609 --> 02:21:27,389
with an official government ID
for the record. My name is

2351
02:21:27,389 --> 02:21:33,179
Wesley P hunt as appearance
shot. But it my airline ticket

2352
02:21:33,179 --> 02:21:36,779
says Wesley J hunt. This United
States Congressman ain't getting

2353
02:21:36,779 --> 02:21:41,009
on the plane. The TSA is tasked
with airline security, but

2354
02:21:41,009 --> 02:21:44,339
they're letting illegal
immigrants on our planes with

2355
02:21:44,369 --> 02:21:46,649
unverifiable identities.

2356
02:21:47,700 --> 02:21:50,160
Adam Curry: Well, this is not
unknown to the show, but I liked

2357
02:21:50,160 --> 02:21:56,490
his presentation. Yeah, it is
ridiculous. Not half of it. Bob.

2358
02:21:57,660 --> 02:22:01,830
Here's main, you want to talk
about skipping the line. Dozens

2359
02:22:01,830 --> 02:22:03,570
Unknown: of people showed up
this morning to the grand

2360
02:22:03,570 --> 02:22:06,810
opening of new apartments at the
Brunswick landing. These units

2361
02:22:06,810 --> 02:22:10,410
were built specifically to house
asylum seekers as they wait to

2362
02:22:10,410 --> 02:22:14,070
receive their work permits which
can take months, there'll be 60

2363
02:22:14,070 --> 02:22:17,520
apartments total here serving
this purpose. 24 of them are

2364
02:22:17,520 --> 02:22:20,880
ready now. State government will
essentially pay the rent for two

2365
02:22:20,880 --> 02:22:24,270
years after that the buildings
will convert to market rate and

2366
02:22:24,270 --> 02:22:27,480
affordable housing units. Some
asylum seekers have already

2367
02:22:27,480 --> 02:22:30,870
moved in and say this option of
transitional housing is much

2368
02:22:30,870 --> 02:22:33,090
better than living in a hotel or
to shelter.

2369
02:22:33,150 --> 02:22:37,080
This is a very unique solution
to a very exciting opportunity

2370
02:22:37,110 --> 02:22:41,400
in our society. We have 1000s of
folks coming to Maine who want

2371
02:22:41,400 --> 02:22:46,350
to make Maine home. We're doing
everything we can to help that

2372
02:22:46,350 --> 02:22:47,280
situation.

2373
02:22:48,030 --> 02:22:50,940
Adam Curry: This is what makes
people crazy. And I've seen it

2374
02:22:50,940 --> 02:22:55,890
for 20 years in Europe 20 years.
You have people who want to send

2375
02:22:55,890 --> 02:22:58,680
their kids to university in
Amsterdam, there is no housing

2376
02:22:58,680 --> 02:23:04,080
available, because it's all
filled up with asylum seekers,

2377
02:23:04,260 --> 02:23:07,710
which is nice word for illegal
immigrants while they're waiting

2378
02:23:07,710 --> 02:23:11,430
for their work permits. This is
this is what is going to

2379
02:23:11,430 --> 02:23:12,840
determine the election here

2380
02:23:12,840 --> 02:23:16,410
Unknown: in Iowa a top issue of
concern for Republican voters is

2381
02:23:16,410 --> 02:23:20,190
the future of immigration and
border security issue is a long

2382
02:23:20,190 --> 02:23:22,800
standing concern for Republicans
but there's increased worry

2383
02:23:22,800 --> 02:23:26,010
among Democrats and
independents. The reality here

2384
02:23:26,010 --> 02:23:28,320
is that Iowa's 3 million
residents are overwhelmingly

2385
02:23:28,320 --> 02:23:32,610
white and the state's strong
economy needs immigrant labor.

2386
02:23:32,790 --> 02:23:33,300
Iowans

2387
02:23:33,300 --> 02:23:37,350
especially here would have a
very difficult time having

2388
02:23:37,350 --> 02:23:40,830
anything to eat at dinnertime
without immigrants because

2389
02:23:40,830 --> 02:23:45,330
immigrants are the ones who
processed the meat who farmed

2390
02:23:45,330 --> 02:23:47,790
the fields who would just

2391
02:23:47,790 --> 02:23:49,800
Adam Curry: want slaves cook the

2392
02:23:49,800 --> 02:23:50,880
Unknown: food. Brenda

2393
02:23:50,880 --> 02:23:54,270
Rodriguez who fled an abusive
relationship in Mexico dam has

2394
02:23:54,270 --> 02:23:57,000
lived in the state for nearly 30
years.

2395
02:23:57,030 --> 02:24:03,180
We did so many years been under
the shadows. And then so

2396
02:24:03,180 --> 02:24:07,260
when you hear these candidates
who are running say that people

2397
02:24:07,260 --> 02:24:09,300
who have come here legally have
to go home What do you think of

2398
02:24:09,300 --> 02:24:09,480
that?

2399
02:24:09,540 --> 02:24:15,090
I deserve a chance to stay. If
I'm paying my taxes and I'm not

2400
02:24:15,090 --> 02:24:20,640
doing anything? I don't think
I'm you know, a bad person that

2401
02:24:21,480 --> 02:24:25,530
the people from Iowa don't want
me here. Could I will run with

2402
02:24:25,530 --> 02:24:27,960
that immigrants like you. I
don't think so.

2403
02:24:31,470 --> 02:24:33,570
Adam Curry: Yeah, they have
Don't worry your kids will have

2404
02:24:33,570 --> 02:24:38,310
CBDCs and UBI it's all going to
be great. You'll be you you

2405
02:24:38,340 --> 02:24:44,100
you'll be you'd buddy. You'll
get UBI Ubu UBI will have

2406
02:24:44,100 --> 02:24:47,550
immigrants to come in and wash
your clothes and wash your car

2407
02:24:47,550 --> 02:24:53,490
and that is that is not the
American dream. No, I mean, the

2408
02:24:53,490 --> 02:24:55,650
American, elitist

2409
02:24:55,650 --> 02:24:59,130
John C Dvorak: look at thing yes
and take you elitist take a look

2410
02:24:59,130 --> 02:25:01,710
at your homeless situation and
unless you do something about

2411
02:25:01,740 --> 02:25:03,060
that first spa,

2412
02:25:03,090 --> 02:25:04,890
Adam Curry: well, there is
something that's going to happen

2413
02:25:04,890 --> 02:25:08,670
and it's not good. I got a note
from Rob our constitute

2414
02:25:08,670 --> 02:25:14,970
constitutional lawyer. And
Oregon, you remember Oregon is

2415
02:25:14,970 --> 02:25:20,310
where? Where was North Idaho
where all of this started in

2416
02:25:20,310 --> 02:25:24,570
Idaho, right? The homeless
started camping. It's called

2417
02:25:24,570 --> 02:25:31,740
camping not not, you know, not
being homeless or unhoused. And

2418
02:25:32,070 --> 02:25:37,260
they were camping everywhere in,
in downtown Boise. And when the

2419
02:25:37,260 --> 02:25:41,460
cops went to move them, then A
lawsuit was started saying that

2420
02:25:41,460 --> 02:25:46,740
this is cruel and unusual
punishment. And that is a

2421
02:25:46,740 --> 02:25:51,960
constitutional violation. And
then the thing is the ninth

2422
02:25:51,960 --> 02:25:54,570
circuit, they said ours, you
know, they got to a point so we

2423
02:25:54,570 --> 02:25:58,290
can't do anything. All these
cities, including Austin took on

2424
02:25:58,290 --> 02:26:02,880
that same mantra. Oh, this is
great. So now, it's

2425
02:26:02,880 --> 02:26:05,250
John C Dvorak: all based on that
one case in Idaho.

2426
02:26:05,460 --> 02:26:07,470
Adam Curry: Now this, the
Supreme Court of the United

2427
02:26:07,470 --> 02:26:11,520
States has granted cert to the
city of Grants Pass Oregon has

2428
02:26:11,520 --> 02:26:16,590
an important lawsuit. A homeless
woman sued the city under the

2429
02:26:16,590 --> 02:26:19,530
Eighth Amendment, the cruel and
unusual punishment clause and

2430
02:26:19,530 --> 02:26:23,760
the 14th amendment for equal
protection. Because the city

2431
02:26:23,760 --> 02:26:27,120
find homeless for camping on
public property remove park

2432
02:26:27,120 --> 02:26:30,510
benches from that property very
cruel and unusual. Failed to

2433
02:26:30,510 --> 02:26:34,170
supply warming and cooling
stations. It also voted against

2434
02:26:34,200 --> 02:26:37,800
affordable housing. But here's
where it gets nuts. The federal

2435
02:26:37,800 --> 02:26:42,000
district court certified a class
action suit against the city

2436
02:26:42,270 --> 02:26:47,460
class action. So the ninth, the
full Ninth Circuit affirmed that

2437
02:26:47,460 --> 02:26:51,840
decision without being familiar,
our lawyer says it seems to me

2438
02:26:51,840 --> 02:26:54,750
that the Supreme Court is poised
to reverse the Ninth Circuit,

2439
02:26:55,080 --> 02:26:59,490
but who knows. So we can have
all kinds of cities now the

2440
02:26:59,490 --> 02:27:04,650
homeless can file a class action
suit against the city for for

2441
02:27:04,740 --> 02:27:09,870
for moving their homeless
encampments. This will be

2442
02:27:09,870 --> 02:27:12,930
interesting to see how it
happens. But yeah, you're right.

2443
02:27:13,080 --> 02:27:15,060
That's something they could look
at but they don't care. They

2444
02:27:15,060 --> 02:27:19,830
don't care. They don't care. I
don't care. But we care. And I'd

2445
02:27:20,310 --> 02:27:22,320
like to thank you for your
courage in the morning to you

2446
02:27:22,320 --> 02:27:25,470
the man who put the seeds in the
collective calibration of

2447
02:27:25,470 --> 02:27:27,900
Cloudflare say hello to my
friend on the other end of

2448
02:27:31,770 --> 02:27:34,200
John C Dvorak: the morning to
you Mr. is also in the morning

2449
02:27:34,200 --> 02:27:37,170
those ships at sea and boots on
the ground and feet in the air

2450
02:27:37,170 --> 02:27:40,020
and subs in the water in the
dames in the nights out there

2451
02:27:46,800 --> 02:27:49,140
Adam Curry: the trolls have been
counted. We're late today at a

2452
02:27:49,140 --> 02:27:52,560
tooth 2119 on the troll count
that somebody's got listening

2453
02:27:52,560 --> 02:27:54,660
and in the drawer of 2119

2454
02:27:56,310 --> 02:27:58,680
John C Dvorak: Well, that's down
about 300 It

2455
02:27:58,680 --> 02:28:02,250
Adam Curry: was 2357 20 minutes
ago.

2456
02:28:03,120 --> 02:28:04,110
John C Dvorak: They're bailing
out.

2457
02:28:04,140 --> 02:28:06,750
Adam Curry: Yeah, you know why?
Taiwan? I mean, there's you

2458
02:28:06,750 --> 02:28:08,370
might as well play Africa clips.

2459
02:28:09,000 --> 02:28:11,400
John C Dvorak: Africa clips to
clear them out.

2460
02:28:12,570 --> 02:28:17,940
Adam Curry: Africa clips always
screws it up. Yeah, well, we

2461
02:28:17,940 --> 02:28:21,240
want to welcome all of these
trolls you can join in at Oh, hi

2462
02:28:21,240 --> 02:28:26,340
feeds, you can try joining a
troll room.io That's where you

2463
02:28:26,340 --> 02:28:29,970
can listen live. Of course you
can listen live many different

2464
02:28:29,970 --> 02:28:33,360
ways. And you can get into the
troll room through just an IRC

2465
02:28:33,360 --> 02:28:36,210
client even it's been around for
a long time. This was a long

2466
02:28:36,210 --> 02:28:38,040
standing interactive part

2467
02:28:38,070 --> 02:28:41,040
John C Dvorak: of the noise room
called what network? Is it on

2468
02:28:41,070 --> 02:28:42,210
the it's

2469
02:28:43,710 --> 02:28:48,330
Adam Curry: the void zero.net.
And the room is hash is hashtag

2470
02:28:48,450 --> 02:28:52,380
no agenda. It's been around
forever. Yeah. I mean, there's

2471
02:28:52,380 --> 02:28:54,180
ways to find it. There's ways to
find it.

2472
02:28:54,480 --> 02:28:58,500
John C Dvorak: It's easy to get
zero.net is a network. That's

2473
02:28:58,500 --> 02:28:59,130
the server

2474
02:29:00,480 --> 02:29:03,540
Adam Curry: as the IRC server
Yeah, you can you can you can

2475
02:29:03,540 --> 02:29:06,450
use any, you know, any IRC
client to get in there, but

2476
02:29:07,170 --> 02:29:10,920
white void zero saying No, zero
no.net I'm sorry, oops, zero

2477
02:29:10,920 --> 02:29:11,910
no.net

2478
02:29:12,210 --> 02:29:14,610
John C Dvorak: How could I
release these monitoring this?

2479
02:29:14,610 --> 02:29:14,700
Of

2480
02:29:14,700 --> 02:29:18,630
Adam Curry: course he is he's
void zero. He doesn't mess

2481
02:29:18,630 --> 02:29:22,920
around. Make sure he's 24/7 That
guy was making sure everything's

2482
02:29:22,920 --> 02:29:27,630
running love him. Of course, you
can get a modern podcast app.

2483
02:29:27,930 --> 02:29:31,380
Now there's an idea. If you get
that then you will be assured

2484
02:29:31,830 --> 02:29:36,120
that you can always listen to
the Dark Horse podcast, even if

2485
02:29:36,120 --> 02:29:40,290
it gets tossed off of apple and
Spotify, which it's cruisin for

2486
02:29:40,290 --> 02:29:44,520
a bruisin. I'm telling you,
podcast apps.com Then you can

2487
02:29:44,520 --> 02:29:47,940
also get alerted when when the
show when our show goes live.

2488
02:29:47,940 --> 02:29:50,700
You can listen to it live there.
Some of them have the troll room

2489
02:29:50,730 --> 02:29:55,230
built right in the chat and 90
seconds after we publish our

2490
02:29:55,230 --> 02:29:58,290
podcast you'll get notified
don't wait an hour on Apple. Why

2491
02:29:58,290 --> 02:30:04,770
would you We run this on value
for value. Because we don't like

2492
02:30:04,800 --> 02:30:09,030
eating dog food. It's just be
honest, we don't want to have to

2493
02:30:09,030 --> 02:30:13,350
taste it, we don't want to have
to promote the product. We just

2494
02:30:13,350 --> 02:30:16,230
don't do that love. We love
talking about products that

2495
02:30:16,230 --> 02:30:19,350
people our producers make. And
if they're any good, if not, we

2496
02:30:19,350 --> 02:30:22,050
probably just won't talk about
it. But when someone has an

2497
02:30:22,050 --> 02:30:26,940
outstanding product, we don't
have to worry about it. But we

2498
02:30:26,940 --> 02:30:30,210
accept time, talent and treasure
and return for the value that we

2499
02:30:30,210 --> 02:30:34,590
bring you twice a week with our
three plus hours of content and

2500
02:30:34,590 --> 02:30:39,150
media analysis and
deconstruction. So we very much

2501
02:30:39,150 --> 02:30:42,060
appreciate the work that many,
many people do, as

2502
02:30:42,060 --> 02:30:46,170
aforementioned, Matt Hamilton,
of course, but we also have Sir

2503
02:30:46,170 --> 02:30:48,930
Paul couture, who does the Art
Generator, we have many we've

2504
02:30:48,930 --> 02:30:53,460
never built a website ourselves.
And that used to show until Oh,

2505
02:30:53,460 --> 02:30:58,380
goodness now at Tim, Tim code
monkey he built the no agenda

2506
02:30:58,380 --> 02:31:02,640
show.net website. And this is
this is really valuable to us.

2507
02:31:02,640 --> 02:31:07,110
This is this is incredibly
important stuff. And we can't we

2508
02:31:07,110 --> 02:31:09,900
could if we had to go pay for
that. I mean, we'd be broke,

2509
02:31:09,900 --> 02:31:14,850
like, like Spotify can't do it.
It's not it just can't do it. So

2510
02:31:14,880 --> 02:31:18,690
this is why we develop this,
this model and everybody helps

2511
02:31:18,690 --> 02:31:22,260
out by producing that's why
you're called producers. And

2512
02:31:22,260 --> 02:31:29,790
along those talent and and time
offerings comes the art for the

2513
02:31:29,790 --> 02:31:33,120
show. Every single show we have
a different piece of artwork.

2514
02:31:33,360 --> 02:31:36,330
This comes from our artists,
they are top notch, they are

2515
02:31:36,330 --> 02:31:40,080
professionals. We always have a
hard time choosing because we

2516
02:31:40,080 --> 02:31:43,380
have quite an assortment every
single time we do want to thank

2517
02:31:43,590 --> 02:31:47,940
the artist who brought the
artwork for us for episode 1624.

2518
02:31:47,940 --> 02:31:55,380
We titled that one Bub and Matt
Boisvert or boys vampire, boi S

2519
02:31:55,380 --> 02:31:57,780
v e r t I know he's told me how
to pronounce it. But I'm just a

2520
02:31:57,780 --> 02:32:02,220
Boisvert brought us the artwork
that we chose. It wasn't that it

2521
02:32:02,220 --> 02:32:05,100
wasn't like a stunner. It was
good. It was something about it

2522
02:32:05,100 --> 02:32:09,000
that we both liked it I didn't
like to the lack of drop shadow

2523
02:32:09,000 --> 02:32:13,140
on the no agenda and our names.
But there was kind of a cool

2524
02:32:13,350 --> 02:32:15,870
crowd picture with someone
holding up a sign that said

2525
02:32:15,870 --> 02:32:21,690
podcast repent. What else was
there that we did not select?

2526
02:32:21,720 --> 02:32:22,350
Well,

2527
02:32:23,910 --> 02:32:25,920
John C Dvorak: we didn't really
like any of the art.

2528
02:32:26,880 --> 02:32:29,820
Adam Curry: And that's not to be
mean. But you know, we're

2529
02:32:29,850 --> 02:32:32,100
discerning clients.

2530
02:32:33,030 --> 02:32:36,360
John C Dvorak: So we looked and
looked and I can't think of

2531
02:32:36,360 --> 02:32:38,940
anything else that was that was
noteworthy to

2532
02:32:38,940 --> 02:32:41,670
Adam Curry: say, well, people
had. Let's see.

2533
02:32:43,620 --> 02:32:46,440
John C Dvorak: There was just a
green legged woman,

2534
02:32:46,560 --> 02:32:49,320
Adam Curry: while the one we we
discussed, the green legged

2535
02:32:49,320 --> 02:32:53,130
woman, the one we discussed the
most was I won't see you from

2536
02:32:53,130 --> 02:32:59,280
Darren O'Neal. Which was of
course a a call back to Lloyd

2537
02:32:59,280 --> 02:32:59,790
Austin.

2538
02:32:59,820 --> 02:33:04,500
John C Dvorak: That was cute.
Yeah. But yeah, the curry

2539
02:33:04,500 --> 02:33:07,920
pointed out that is it's a
negative image. It's more than

2540
02:33:07,920 --> 02:33:11,340
it is morbid. It's more a bit
more the word morbid. Yeah. So

2541
02:33:11,340 --> 02:33:14,700
morbid image, forget it. And I
gotta be you as it would have

2542
02:33:14,700 --> 02:33:16,320
won. If it wasn't morbid. Yeah,

2543
02:33:16,320 --> 02:33:18,180
Adam Curry: I think the
morbidity factor was a little

2544
02:33:18,180 --> 02:33:22,890
bit too high. And there was
airplanes with holes in it. We

2545
02:33:22,890 --> 02:33:26,670
also discussed another mat
piece, which was the M five M

2546
02:33:26,670 --> 02:33:27,450
flowchart.

2547
02:33:28,950 --> 02:33:31,380
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I liked
that piece a lot. Yeah.

2548
02:33:31,410 --> 02:33:34,200
Adam Curry: To me, it was just
too PowerPoint. It it just it

2549
02:33:34,200 --> 02:33:35,430
just looked like PowerPoint.

2550
02:33:35,460 --> 02:33:38,790
John C Dvorak: I don't know. I
just liked it. I mean, yeah,

2551
02:33:38,910 --> 02:33:39,630
Adam Curry: I know you liked it.

2552
02:33:39,690 --> 02:33:41,760
John C Dvorak: I think that
podcast repent was a better

2553
02:33:41,760 --> 02:33:43,710
piece to choose. Yeah. Yeah.

2554
02:33:43,770 --> 02:33:49,800
Adam Curry: And I saw that you
used shooter inks. Ham radio,

2555
02:33:50,010 --> 02:33:51,630
art for the newsletter, I
believe.

2556
02:33:51,660 --> 02:33:55,110
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that came
in for this this show. It was

2557
02:33:55,110 --> 02:33:59,190
early 25. Oh, I didn't even see
that. It has 11 people. I will

2558
02:33:59,190 --> 02:34:03,420
say this to artists if they want
to know this. If you if you get

2559
02:34:03,420 --> 02:34:07,320
your art in with a show number
on it, which is hard to get

2560
02:34:07,320 --> 02:34:11,520
picked for the show itself. But
if you do that, it's a good

2561
02:34:11,520 --> 02:34:12,000
chance. I'll

2562
02:34:12,000 --> 02:34:15,480
Adam Curry: pick it. Yep, that's
right. He's a pushover people

2563
02:34:15,960 --> 02:34:20,580
push over. I tell you. You can
follow along with these

2564
02:34:20,580 --> 02:34:23,850
wonderful pieces of art at no
agenda art generator.com, which

2565
02:34:23,850 --> 02:34:27,420
is fast now. I love it. So fast.
blazingly fast fast. Thank you.

2566
02:34:27,420 --> 02:34:30,540
Thank you. So Paul couture.
Thank you, Matt, for bringing us

2567
02:34:30,540 --> 02:34:34,080
the album art. It's a very
important piece of our overall

2568
02:34:34,080 --> 02:34:37,260
marketing. gets people
interested they see it in the

2569
02:34:37,260 --> 02:34:41,940
podcast app to see it posted
around like oh, this is good. I

2570
02:34:41,940 --> 02:34:43,920
want to get I want to grab that.
I want to see what's going on

2571
02:34:43,920 --> 02:34:46,650
with this. It's funny makes
people laugh. At least we hope

2572
02:34:46,650 --> 02:34:51,000
so. And we appreciate all of our
artists as always, and

2573
02:34:51,000 --> 02:34:53,730
especially Matt Boisvert of
course today for the album art

2574
02:34:53,730 --> 02:34:56,760
for episode 1624 Now, we're
going to thank the people who

2575
02:34:56,760 --> 02:35:00,120
delivered us treasure for
episode 1625. No, exactly. Have

2576
02:35:00,120 --> 02:35:04,110
producers today? Now does that
do we still have a rule where no

2577
02:35:04,110 --> 02:35:07,890
executive producer the top
associate becomes an exec? Or

2578
02:35:07,920 --> 02:35:08,220
yeah,

2579
02:35:08,220 --> 02:35:13,110
John C Dvorak: he becomes the
Exec. But let's say this say

2580
02:35:13,110 --> 02:35:18,270
this we haven't had this
situation since since 2018.

2581
02:35:19,020 --> 02:35:21,540
During COVID It never happened
it didn't happen last year

2582
02:35:21,540 --> 02:35:24,150
didn't happen to you after that.
This is the first time that this

2583
02:35:24,150 --> 02:35:27,660
used to be a common event a
common occurrence in the early

2584
02:35:27,660 --> 02:35:31,860
days of the show, but now it's
rare. And this is particularly

2585
02:35:31,860 --> 02:35:34,200
rare because that means nobody
wanted to be the executive

2586
02:35:34,200 --> 02:35:39,060
producer promoted in the
newsletter there one knows about

2587
02:35:39,060 --> 02:35:43,980
it and know nothing. So we ended
up with Scott here in Newcastle.

2588
02:35:44,520 --> 02:35:48,300
Who's gonna get bumped up to the
executive producer level. Okay,

2589
02:35:48,450 --> 02:35:52,440
Adam Curry: and Scott comes in
with 233 dot 33 which is

2590
02:35:52,830 --> 02:35:56,220
beautiful number we love the
magic number. Scott from

2591
02:35:56,220 --> 02:35:59,700
Newcastle Australia here Oh, I
wonder if it's Australia dollar

2592
02:35:59,700 --> 02:36:03,360
reduce. So he would have been an
exec anyway

2593
02:36:04,560 --> 02:36:07,800
John C Dvorak: 233 Maybe so
he'll get by date but he does

2594
02:36:07,800 --> 02:36:08,250
get bumped

2595
02:36:08,250 --> 02:36:10,230
Adam Curry: up no matter what. I
got hitting them out in the

2596
02:36:10,230 --> 02:36:16,050
mouth late 2019 by a YouTuber
named the illusion and if not

2597
02:36:16,050 --> 02:36:19,770
myth thank you this a YouTube
donation first of his kind have

2598
02:36:19,770 --> 02:36:23,280
not missed an episode since
please do short poems like

2599
02:36:23,280 --> 02:36:34,890
Miguel de deuced please use
except this donation of 233 33

2600
02:36:34,890 --> 02:36:37,890
your media deconstruction has
been a real eye opener while

2601
02:36:37,890 --> 02:36:41,970
keeping my amygdala in check.
Please put me on the birthday

2602
02:36:41,970 --> 02:36:46,050
list for the 19th while we have
more on the on the birthday list

2603
02:36:46,050 --> 02:36:52,410
of course. As I begin my 52nd
trip around the sun for jingles

2604
02:36:52,410 --> 02:36:56,880
may I request the UK foamer oh
there's one I haven't heard for

2605
02:36:56,880 --> 02:36:59,700
a while Keep up the good work
gents regard Scott from

2606
02:36:59,700 --> 02:37:00,780
Newcastle Australia

2607
02:37:12,150 --> 02:37:13,620
you got it. You got it. All
right.

2608
02:37:13,620 --> 02:37:16,800
John C Dvorak: Steven Peterson
in Kingaroy Queensland Australia

2609
02:37:16,800 --> 02:37:21,540
he got to us he's right in a row
to 2222 Greetings from the

2610
02:37:21,540 --> 02:37:26,400
bubble wrap nanny state
socialist utopia of Australia

2611
02:37:26,610 --> 02:37:32,910
where everyone is safe fully
boosted and inclusive almost

2612
02:37:32,910 --> 02:37:37,920
thanks for your ongoing humor as
we circled a socialist drain no

2613
02:37:37,920 --> 02:37:39,180
jingles no karma

2614
02:37:39,270 --> 02:37:42,390
Adam Curry: good now we have sir
pursuit of peace and tranquility

2615
02:37:42,390 --> 02:37:45,660
from Midland Georgia it says see
attached note I do not have said

2616
02:37:45,690 --> 02:37:46,530
attach note

2617
02:37:46,620 --> 02:37:48,930
John C Dvorak: it's on the it
was on the email

2618
02:37:49,530 --> 02:37:50,160
Unknown: no

2619
02:37:51,420 --> 02:37:52,590
Adam Curry: let me double check
I

2620
02:37:52,590 --> 02:37:54,510
John C Dvorak: got the same
email you got to saw it right

2621
02:37:54,510 --> 02:37:54,930
there.

2622
02:37:55,350 --> 02:38:04,020
Adam Curry: Let me see do I know
I just have a title change for

2623
02:38:04,020 --> 02:38:07,020
him but what could you read it
for me because I do not have it

2624
02:38:07,260 --> 02:38:08,280
this is weird like

2625
02:38:08,610 --> 02:38:10,050
John C Dvorak: it's another note
Yeah, I

2626
02:38:10,110 --> 02:38:13,680
Adam Curry: came here with the
second I'm sorry

2627
02:38:15,000 --> 02:38:17,520
John C Dvorak: this no does have
the title change on it. Yeah, I

2628
02:38:17,520 --> 02:38:21,600
Adam Curry: have the title
change but there's no note Oh, I

2629
02:38:21,600 --> 02:38:24,360
see. Oh, here's the PDF I'm
sorry for some reason I missed

2630
02:38:24,360 --> 02:38:27,780
the PDF. Well let me do this. I
got it here now shall read it

2631
02:38:27,780 --> 02:38:32,520
now. I've opened it. I found it.
Crisis averted. It's loading. I

2632
02:38:32,520 --> 02:38:37,530
don't know why it's taken. Oh my
god. Okay. 222 22 Row ducks. In

2633
02:38:37,530 --> 02:38:40,920
the morning boys. Please accept
this short row of ducks for the

2634
02:38:40,920 --> 02:38:43,290
month of January to keep myself
current and advance me to the

2635
02:38:43,290 --> 02:38:47,880
title of Baron. Thank you for
last month's jobs karma for our

2636
02:38:47,880 --> 02:38:51,990
youngest human resource she has
already landed her dream job and

2637
02:38:51,990 --> 02:38:55,200
expects to start this month and
the keeper truly appreciated the

2638
02:38:55,200 --> 02:38:58,620
biscuit under birthday at the
risk of expecting too much our

2639
02:38:58,620 --> 02:39:01,860
oldest human resources finishing
his PhD this spring and need

2640
02:39:01,860 --> 02:39:05,250
some jobs karma in the coming
months. So please extend him

2641
02:39:05,250 --> 02:39:08,130
some Pelosi jobs karma will do
it in a moment. Thank you in

2642
02:39:08,130 --> 02:39:10,770
advance for fulfilling of my
above request and as always, I

2643
02:39:10,770 --> 02:39:12,870
really appreciate your
deconstruction of the media the

2644
02:39:12,870 --> 02:39:15,570
issues of the day. It keeps me
sane keeping it brief,

2645
02:39:15,570 --> 02:39:19,080
sincerely, sir pursuit of peace
and tranquility in the lands of

2646
02:39:19,080 --> 02:39:22,110
the red clay and the cherry
trees jobs,

2647
02:39:22,260 --> 02:39:28,830
Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs.
Pharma.

2648
02:39:31,650 --> 02:39:34,920
John C Dvorak: David Weicker are
wicker in Jacksonville, Florida

2649
02:39:34,950 --> 02:39:35,310
served

2650
02:39:35,310 --> 02:39:38,370
Adam Curry: by wicker. It's
wicker, and he is served by His

2651
02:39:38,370 --> 02:39:39,900
grace. He's a knight

2652
02:39:40,980 --> 02:39:46,380
John C Dvorak: switcheroo to my
red hot mama Jewess. Wicker AC

2653
02:39:46,380 --> 02:39:48,090
can you think Jules

2654
02:39:48,120 --> 02:39:53,310
Adam Curry: is Jules? I think I
say Julius. I'm pretty old.

2655
02:39:55,740 --> 02:40:00,870
John C Dvorak: As Mimi, can you
kick in June? Here's the penny.

2656
02:40:01,650 --> 02:40:03,000
Adam Curry: I got your penny
right there.

2657
02:40:03,420 --> 02:40:06,780
John C Dvorak: I want to use our
platform to celebrate the life

2658
02:40:06,780 --> 02:40:12,660
of Brian hip is face to face
with our Lord and Savior as of

2659
02:40:12,660 --> 02:40:17,220
2am 113 24. He's not an avid
listener but was an amazing

2660
02:40:17,220 --> 02:40:20,160
friend and you fought the good
fight Gitmo nation. None of us

2661
02:40:20,160 --> 02:40:24,870
are guaranteed our next breath
own this you're curious lot

2662
02:40:24,960 --> 02:40:28,020
searching for answers lets you
not be part of this amazing

2663
02:40:28,020 --> 02:40:33,000
movement and you are here for a
purpose. I am sure by His grace

2664
02:40:33,000 --> 02:40:38,910
jingles Obama you might die and
if cancer plea please Peace be

2665
02:40:38,910 --> 02:40:40,860
with you. KYB oh

2666
02:40:40,860 --> 02:40:44,220
Adam Curry: and let's go KY Bo
keep your buckets overflowing

2667
02:40:44,250 --> 02:40:45,030
you might

2668
02:40:50,250 --> 02:40:55,380
John C Dvorak: use karma I'm
gonna read the next one for

2669
02:40:55,380 --> 02:40:59,400
reasons you'll soon got will
dawn on you. Yes, Rick. Rick

2670
02:40:59,400 --> 02:41:04,860
bunch and La Verkin Utah 20202
Thanks, bro. Appear is the first

2671
02:41:04,860 --> 02:41:09,630
ducks and Aigues for the year
from Ricky Bobby and splash

2672
02:41:09,630 --> 02:41:16,020
Cadillac. Keep doing what you
are doing. You are the best. Oh,

2673
02:41:16,050 --> 02:41:16,530
nothing.

2674
02:41:16,560 --> 02:41:19,920
Adam Curry: Thank you. Then we
have Danny Petey from

2675
02:41:19,920 --> 02:41:25,860
Churchville, Pennsylvania 233.
And I know I have kind of issue

2676
02:41:25,860 --> 02:41:30,090
with this. We don't do scripts
and stuff. You want me to read

2677
02:41:30,090 --> 02:41:35,340
this all in a game show voice.
He said here's what he says. In

2678
02:41:35,340 --> 02:41:37,710
the morning, Dan petty here
financial advisor helping get

2679
02:41:37,710 --> 02:41:40,230
more nation find and fund their
exit strategies with the

2680
02:41:40,230 --> 02:41:43,590
exception of Adam and Jhansi. Of
course, instead of notes on my

2681
02:41:43,590 --> 02:41:45,660
quest tonight, he would have
decided to have a little fun

2682
02:41:45,660 --> 02:41:48,450
along with a way with a brand
new gizmo game I called value

2683
02:41:48,450 --> 02:41:56,550
for value trivia. He says yes,
that's right value for value

2684
02:41:56,550 --> 02:41:59,310
trivia where the questions
answers and winners are found

2685
02:41:59,310 --> 02:42:02,370
only by those who listen to the
full donation segment of each

2686
02:42:02,370 --> 02:42:07,950
show. So what is he going to do
here? He says contest today's oh

2687
02:42:11,520 --> 02:42:14,220
John C Dvorak: okay says he's
gonna ask this is not worse.

2688
02:42:14,220 --> 02:42:16,830
This is not a good idea how it's
not.

2689
02:42:17,580 --> 02:42:21,450
Adam Curry: But what he wanted
to do was if you have the right

2690
02:42:21,450 --> 02:42:26,910
answer at the end, you email him
which is damn Petey.

2691
02:42:26,910 --> 02:42:30,390
newton@gmail.com You'll get $50
from his next door neighbor

2692
02:42:30,420 --> 02:42:34,200
donation towards your
knighthood. Yeah. I love you,

2693
02:42:34,200 --> 02:42:37,380
man. I love it is the idea is
cool, but it's too complicated.

2694
02:42:37,410 --> 02:42:43,170
I will do his question. And the
question is, what were the three

2695
02:42:43,170 --> 02:42:46,860
descriptive words Adam used to
describe the traumatizing shirt

2696
02:42:46,860 --> 02:42:52,590
he wore as a child? Dude, I
wouldn't even know that one. I'm

2697
02:42:52,590 --> 02:42:54,870
gonna give you a double up karma
for that brother. Thank you so

2698
02:42:54,870 --> 02:42:55,740
much Dan petty.

2699
02:42:55,770 --> 02:42:59,370
Unknown: He's got karma

2700
02:43:02,520 --> 02:43:05,100
John C Dvorak: that was the see
through shirt. Yeah, but

2701
02:43:05,100 --> 02:43:09,000
Adam Curry: what were the three
descriptive words.

2702
02:43:09,270 --> 02:43:13,080
John C Dvorak: It was G through
two words traumatising. Three

2703
02:43:13,110 --> 02:43:15,420
Adam Curry: traumatising. See
through body shirt.

2704
02:43:16,470 --> 02:43:18,360
John C Dvorak: Linda LAPACK and
meanwhile from Lakewood,

2705
02:43:18,360 --> 02:43:20,730
Colorado, she knows how to do it
right she keeps it short and

2706
02:43:20,730 --> 02:43:24,960
sweet jobs calm has all she
requests and she wants to say

2707
02:43:24,960 --> 02:43:28,530
that for a recipe that resume
that gets results go to Image

2708
02:43:28,530 --> 02:43:31,920
makers inc.com and must work for
all your executive resume and

2709
02:43:31,920 --> 02:43:35,910
job search needs. That's image
makers equals a K or find Linda

2710
02:43:35,910 --> 02:43:40,860
on the producer list. My husband
wants to know who John is.

2711
02:43:41,490 --> 02:43:44,880
Unknown: Jobs, jobs, jobs and
jobs

2712
02:43:51,180 --> 02:43:54,330
Adam Curry: Yep, yeah, that's a
problem in paradise. Oh, is this

2713
02:43:54,360 --> 02:43:57,540
John guy that you keep talking
about? I'm not digging that a

2714
02:43:58,410 --> 02:44:02,550
was it but it was. I want to
knock his lights out. Thank you

2715
02:44:02,550 --> 02:44:05,280
very much to our executive one
day you're not

2716
02:44:05,280 --> 02:44:09,210
John C Dvorak: done. I'm not
know you got one last one to

2717
02:44:09,210 --> 02:44:10,080
read. Oh, I'm

2718
02:44:10,080 --> 02:44:13,320
Adam Curry: sorry. Pamela
McLean, Fort Worth Texas. Pamela

2719
02:44:13,320 --> 02:44:17,970
I'm sorry. $200. No note, double
up karma for you. You've got

2720
02:44:20,070 --> 02:44:25,470
karma. And now I'd like to thank
our one executive and the

2721
02:44:25,470 --> 02:44:29,880
Associate Executive Producer for
episode 1625. We bring you the

2722
02:44:29,880 --> 02:44:32,670
value you send back what it's
worth to you. If everybody did

2723
02:44:32,670 --> 02:44:36,390
it, we'd be we'd be just fine.
We do have lots of people who

2724
02:44:36,390 --> 02:44:40,500
come in under $50 which we
appreciate highly, usually for

2725
02:44:40,950 --> 02:44:45,690
reasons of anonymity and the the
ongoing sustaining donations are

2726
02:44:45,750 --> 02:44:49,020
really appreciated particularly
on day like this, which you can

2727
02:44:49,020 --> 02:44:53,760
find more about more. You can go
read it a bad divorce

2728
02:44:53,760 --> 02:44:57,750
act.org/day or no agenda
donations.com We got some meet

2729
02:44:57,750 --> 02:45:00,720
up reports and we have John
taken us through Do the 50s

2730
02:45:00,720 --> 02:45:01,290
right now.

2731
02:45:01,320 --> 02:45:03,150
John C Dvorak: Yeah, let's go
with starting with Brian

2732
02:45:03,150 --> 02:45:10,980
Schumacher and Boyd's Maryland
14646 Shelly Winky. I think in

2733
02:45:10,980 --> 02:45:14,550
Fort Wayne, Indiana switcheroo
this actually happy birthday or

2734
02:45:14,550 --> 02:45:22,020
smokin hot husband Jared Smith.
I love you. She says 114 75 Rita

2735
02:45:22,020 --> 02:45:28,860
Harrington in Sparks Nevada
114 33 Dakota Dakota Welker in

2736
02:45:28,890 --> 02:45:37,020
Boise, Idaho 113 86 with a
birthday, Jessie who are Nino

2737
02:45:37,050 --> 02:45:42,450
umani yo, Lauren Nino something
along those lines? Ah,

2738
02:45:42,720 --> 02:45:52,800
Hicksville, New York. 100. Sir
Chris and Bert came Norway. And

2739
02:45:52,800 --> 02:45:56,730
he said I'm had to read this
$100 is $100 He says I'm

2740
02:45:56,730 --> 02:46:05,310
saddened that Adam feels in a S
has done its job. Okay, John,

2741
02:46:05,310 --> 02:46:10,620
when in Austin, Texas, sad puppy
prevention $100 is not working.

2742
02:46:11,220 --> 02:46:19,200
Anonymous and bent mountain
Virginia 100. Sir breath in

2743
02:46:19,200 --> 02:46:26,340
Greenfield Park New York's 8866
jobs karma coming at the end of

2744
02:46:26,340 --> 02:46:27,330
this list him

2745
02:46:27,330 --> 02:46:30,900
Adam Curry: and his wife he is a
night to escape New York for New

2746
02:46:30,900 --> 02:46:31,920
Hampshire. You got it.

2747
02:46:33,360 --> 02:46:36,300
John C Dvorak: Good luck. Kevin
McLaughlin and Concord North

2748
02:46:36,300 --> 02:46:43,770
Carolina. 808. Is the Archduke
Aluna Christian grew grew lash

2749
02:46:43,800 --> 02:46:49,860
girlish girlish in Lakeland,
Ohio. 808 he says for the last

2750
02:46:49,860 --> 02:46:57,630
time Robert Ross ah, Richmond
Virginia pointy boobs. 707 Ross

2751
02:46:57,660 --> 02:47:03,180
quarry in Rego Park, New York.
6969 birthday coming up. Donnie

2752
02:47:03,180 --> 02:47:10,590
Eubanks in Canton Ohio 6666 that
Christopher dektor 5678 also sir

2753
02:47:10,590 --> 02:47:16,500
be boop in New Brighton
Minnesota 65678. Eli, the coffee

2754
02:47:16,500 --> 02:47:24,180
guy at gigawatt Coffee Roasters
Bensenville Illinois 5510 type

2755
02:47:24,180 --> 02:47:34,170
in ITM 20 Alexander O'Neal in
Mississauga, Ontario 55 Alex

2756
02:47:34,200 --> 02:47:35,340
right why wait that's

2757
02:47:35,340 --> 02:47:38,340
Adam Curry: a first time donor
from Scandinavia wants to

2758
02:47:38,340 --> 02:47:38,880
deducing

2759
02:47:40,620 --> 02:47:43,950
Unknown: you've been de Deus
douching Oh

2760
02:47:46,320 --> 02:47:50,400
John C Dvorak: Alex Blatz VOA
two Es and Citrus Heights

2761
02:47:50,400 --> 02:47:56,700
California. 5333 Scott
Lynchburg, Virginia 5222. Right.

2762
02:47:56,700 --> 02:47:58,950
Adam Curry: Scott says please
call out attorney Dave as a

2763
02:47:58,950 --> 02:47:59,610
douchebag

2764
02:48:01,980 --> 02:48:05,790
John C Dvorak: anonymous cop in
Redwood City, California 5150

2765
02:48:06,120 --> 02:48:11,280
Christine Heinz and Manchester
New Hampshire. 5123. Vie count

2766
02:48:11,280 --> 02:48:15,810
sir economic hitman in Tomball,
Texas 5001. And that takes us to

2767
02:48:15,810 --> 02:48:18,090
the $50 donors. I'm just going
to read out their names and

2768
02:48:18,090 --> 02:48:22,440
locations. And it's not that
many but there's enough. Gary

2769
02:48:22,440 --> 02:48:27,420
Mau Woodland Hills Stephen King
and Box Elder South Dakota.

2770
02:48:28,020 --> 02:48:33,270
Douglas Moog in in cotton
cochranton. Pennsylvania, a Dane

2771
02:48:33,270 --> 02:48:38,010
Patricia Worthington in Miami
Beach or Miami. Real deals now

2772
02:48:38,070 --> 02:48:43,140
in San Antonio, Texas. What are
what their deals are for Jared

2773
02:48:43,140 --> 02:48:46,980
jaw in Nashville, Tennessee
Brandon sub wide port orchard,

2774
02:48:46,980 --> 02:48:51,840
Washington Carey okie in
Freehold New Jersey. And there's

2775
02:48:51,840 --> 02:48:56,880
a birthday coming up for her.
Greg Oles OLS camp in Thunder

2776
02:48:56,880 --> 02:49:01,050
Bay, Ontario. Kevin dills in
Huntersville, North Carolina

2777
02:49:01,050 --> 02:49:07,470
Christian Freeman in San Marcos,
Texas. Diane shawanna Back in

2778
02:49:07,500 --> 02:49:12,540
johnsburg, Illinois, Gerald
Preston in Bennington, new in

2779
02:49:12,990 --> 02:49:17,370
Nebraska. Wesley Stewart in
Mesa, Arizona and last in our

2780
02:49:17,370 --> 02:49:21,630
fabulous list is Baron of
Belmont in Belmont North

2781
02:49:21,630 --> 02:49:24,120
Carolina. I want to thank these
people for making this show.

2782
02:49:24,510 --> 02:49:27,150
possibility and a reality. Here
we are.

2783
02:49:27,180 --> 02:49:31,950
Adam Curry: And here is the jobs
karma for those who needed jobs,

2784
02:49:32,070 --> 02:49:37,950
Unknown: jobs and jobs. Let's
vote for jobs. Karma

2785
02:49:38,010 --> 02:49:40,020
Adam Curry: thank you all very
much. You are the producers of

2786
02:49:40,020 --> 02:49:44,490
this show for episode 1625. We
appreciate

2787
02:49:44,490 --> 02:49:48,810
Unknown: it. Our formula is
this. We go out. We get people

2788
02:49:48,810 --> 02:49:49,260
in the mouth

2789
02:50:09,000 --> 02:50:11,550
Adam Curry: Tracy Sullivan
wishes her Birthday Sir Johnny

2790
02:50:11,550 --> 02:50:16,470
bananas happy one he turned 47
on the 13th That's yesterday.

2791
02:50:16,470 --> 02:50:20,160
Dakota Walker also celebrated
yesterday karaoke will be

2792
02:50:20,160 --> 02:50:24,240
turning 56 tomorrow. Is that a
real name? Karaoke, your parents

2793
02:50:24,240 --> 02:50:27,990
played a mean trick on you.
Rusko returned 69 on the 16th

2794
02:50:27,990 --> 02:50:31,530
Sir Tony wishes his daughter
sienna, a very happy eighth on

2795
02:50:31,530 --> 02:50:35,580
the 18th Scott from Newcastle
Australia turns 52 on the 19th

2796
02:50:35,580 --> 02:50:39,210
and Shelley Wangka wishes are
smokin on husband and husband

2797
02:50:39,210 --> 02:50:42,900
Jared Smith a very happy
birthday as we said Happy

2798
02:50:42,900 --> 02:50:45,810
Birthday to everybody here in
the back office a staffing man

2799
02:50:45,810 --> 02:50:48,240
has wrote the best podcast in
the universe

2800
02:50:57,090 --> 02:51:00,540
don't want to be introduced and
we do have that one title change

2801
02:51:00,540 --> 02:51:03,570
I'm very glad we found the note
from Sir pursuit of peace and

2802
02:51:03,570 --> 02:51:06,420
tranquility in the lands of the
red clay in the cherry trees

2803
02:51:06,720 --> 02:51:10,650
because of his additional
support and $1,000 or more he

2804
02:51:10,830 --> 02:51:14,610
can now claim the title of Baron
and we are very very happy to

2805
02:51:14,610 --> 02:51:17,130
have you here thank you very
much sir and that's it no nights

2806
02:51:17,130 --> 02:51:19,560
no dames today. But of course we
do have a couple of meetup

2807
02:51:19,560 --> 02:51:21,090
reports know what

2808
02:51:28,080 --> 02:51:30,960
our first one comes from Los
Angeles the flight of the no

2809
02:51:30,960 --> 02:51:35,730
agenda Leo Bravo does them very
regularly. I'd love lost count

2810
02:51:35,730 --> 02:51:39,780
of the number of meetups he's
he's organized so far. These of

2811
02:51:39,780 --> 02:51:43,320
course are the meetups. You can
find that no agenda meetups.com

2812
02:51:43,680 --> 02:51:46,740
This is where you go and find
your clan, your tribe your

2813
02:51:46,740 --> 02:51:47,940
community everybody

2814
02:51:47,940 --> 02:51:50,280
Unknown: I feel Bravo at fly
doesn't know agenda meeting

2815
02:51:50,280 --> 02:51:52,230
number 48. My friends here have
things

2816
02:51:52,230 --> 02:51:55,260
to say a be dissolved from
Altadena in the morning. It's

2817
02:51:55,260 --> 02:51:58,170
certainly a chem full pop from
Lakewood. That's true.

2818
02:51:58,230 --> 02:52:00,240
It's the evening but in the
morning Hey, it's

2819
02:52:00,240 --> 02:52:03,090
Steven in the Morning John and
Adam

2820
02:52:04,890 --> 02:52:08,460
Adam Curry: 48 Already
phenomenal. Got a report a

2821
02:52:08,460 --> 02:52:12,810
written report from a Snipper he
says in the morning at a meet up

2822
02:52:12,810 --> 02:52:20,790
report from SV AAMA at Lombok
Hmm, can be summarized as all by

2823
02:52:20,790 --> 02:52:24,000
myself to the tune of Eric
Carmen, but we will keep hitting

2824
02:52:24,000 --> 02:52:28,980
him in the mouth and retry in
Langkawi Langkawi Where is this

2825
02:52:28,980 --> 02:52:35,370
place? I don't know where this
is. Where is Lombok? Oh is that

2826
02:52:35,370 --> 02:52:41,160
the eyes are some islands some
crazy island in the near

2827
02:52:41,160 --> 02:52:44,850
Indonesia or barley or
something? All right, you're in

2828
02:52:44,850 --> 02:52:47,790
let me know we I gotta promote
this better for you give you a

2829
02:52:47,790 --> 02:52:50,370
little more lead time. And we'll
do that for any of the meetups

2830
02:52:50,370 --> 02:52:53,400
because it is the companion to
the no agenda podcast. This is

2831
02:52:53,400 --> 02:52:57,720
where you truly can hang out
with people that that you that

2832
02:52:57,720 --> 02:53:00,780
you will be surprised that these
people are no agenda listeners.

2833
02:53:00,960 --> 02:53:03,690
You'll have so much in common
and especially in these dark

2834
02:53:03,690 --> 02:53:06,690
days of winter when big freezes
can come and weird things can

2835
02:53:06,690 --> 02:53:10,410
happen and your EV won't. won't
drive and your phone runs out of

2836
02:53:10,410 --> 02:53:13,620
juice. You want to have a place
where you can hang out and know

2837
02:53:13,620 --> 02:53:16,560
people that you've hung out
with. That's a no agenda meet up

2838
02:53:16,560 --> 02:53:19,830
it's connection that brings you
protection, just like the big

2839
02:53:19,860 --> 02:53:22,440
arcade party in Fredericksburg,
Virginia. Hello.

2840
02:53:22,440 --> 02:53:25,530
Unknown: Is this happy in
Virginia? The Fredericksburg

2841
02:53:25,530 --> 02:53:28,830
arcade party. We got booths in
skee ball. This is Tom

2842
02:53:28,830 --> 02:53:32,340
Starkweather I'm meeting people
that went to my high school when

2843
02:53:32,340 --> 02:53:34,200
I was there. It's wild.

2844
02:53:34,230 --> 02:53:37,320
i This is rowdy, we're having an
arcade meetup in Fredericksburg,

2845
02:53:37,320 --> 02:53:40,470
Virginia everyone's here if
you're not here, you're new

2846
02:53:40,470 --> 02:53:43,050
you're not fool like me with my
weird hat.

2847
02:53:43,080 --> 02:53:45,930
Hey, DC girl in the morning sir
gave the blue collar night

2848
02:53:45,930 --> 02:53:49,920
representing FEMA Region seven.
I was expecting more spooks here

2849
02:53:49,950 --> 02:53:53,190
it's the same trail chicken from
locust Hill, Virginia oto This

2850
02:53:53,190 --> 02:53:54,570
is Amy in the morning,

2851
02:53:54,630 --> 02:53:55,830
ITM sir. William

2852
02:53:55,830 --> 02:54:00,090
is definitely a spoof hi this is
Marshall 60 miles from spook

2853
02:54:00,090 --> 02:54:02,970
Central. Please don't say they
acted rose high in the morning

2854
02:54:02,970 --> 02:54:04,560
is Jamie lot of noise here.

2855
02:54:05,130 --> 02:54:08,610
Hi, this is Sarah from Richmond
life is a scam. This is

2856
02:54:08,610 --> 02:54:10,620
Rob from Richmond in the
morning. Oh there Chris from

2857
02:54:10,620 --> 02:54:11,820
King George in the morning.

2858
02:54:11,850 --> 02:54:14,910
It is Sir William at
Fredericksburg. Hey want to put

2859
02:54:14,910 --> 02:54:18,900
a shout out for the Kernersville
North Carolina meetup. January

2860
02:54:18,900 --> 02:54:21,060
20. Trains good plains bad

2861
02:54:21,090 --> 02:54:24,150
this has been here at the no
agenda meetup love the new

2862
02:54:24,150 --> 02:54:26,910
agenda people and Happy belated
jingle Bengal

2863
02:54:29,160 --> 02:54:31,890
Adam Curry: a great group and a
very beautiful group. They are

2864
02:54:31,890 --> 02:54:35,820
indeed that is the
Fredericksburg, Virginia. Meet

2865
02:54:35,820 --> 02:54:38,610
up. Thank you Tom Starkweather
for putting that one together,

2866
02:54:38,640 --> 02:54:41,910
especially the report. We have a
meetup taking place today the

2867
02:54:41,910 --> 02:54:45,600
indie na new year resolution
revolt meetup which is underway

2868
02:54:45,600 --> 02:54:48,510
as we speak at Grand Junction
brewing in Westfield, Indiana

2869
02:54:48,510 --> 02:54:51,030
Markham Maria hosting that for
it's always a party with them.

2870
02:54:51,810 --> 02:54:54,120
The next one will be on the
eighth January 18. It's a

2871
02:54:54,120 --> 02:54:57,990
Thursday, the Denver Stock Show
meet up 630 at Lincoln's

2872
02:54:57,990 --> 02:55:02,040
Roadhouse 1201 South pearls
Street in Denver, and the

2873
02:55:02,040 --> 02:55:05,460
Charlotte's 33rd Thursday meet
up seven o'clock Ed's tavern,

2874
02:55:05,550 --> 02:55:09,300
Charlotte, North Carolina on
Thursday, January 18, as well,

2875
02:55:09,300 --> 02:55:11,850
those are just a few of the
meetups. There's many more

2876
02:55:11,850 --> 02:55:15,540
available. Go find one is called
no agenda meetup.com If you

2877
02:55:15,540 --> 02:55:18,510
can't find one near you start
one yourself. Start small but

2878
02:55:18,510 --> 02:55:19,500
you'll have a party.

2879
02:55:19,770 --> 02:55:25,590
Unknown: Sometimes you want to
go hang out with Dyson days.

2880
02:55:26,760 --> 02:55:34,800
You'd be triggered. You wouldn't
be where everybody feels the

2881
02:55:34,800 --> 02:55:44,730
same. Is like a party. Like a
party. Like a party at

2882
02:55:46,350 --> 02:55:52,620
Adam Curry: night. I have two
ISOs why don't I play mine

2883
02:55:52,620 --> 02:55:55,050
first? I think I have a winner.
I mean, this is why it's so

2884
02:55:55,050 --> 02:55:58,440
important. Such a great
explainer. Thank you. That's a

2885
02:55:58,440 --> 02:56:02,760
little too fast for you. But
yeah, no good. This is the one

2886
02:56:02,850 --> 02:56:06,390
we know the flu is deadly. I
mean, that's just killer.

2887
02:56:06,600 --> 02:56:09,930
John C Dvorak: I mean, it is a
killer. Can you? Can you top

2888
02:56:09,930 --> 02:56:10,410
Adam Curry: that?

2889
02:56:10,680 --> 02:56:12,240
John C Dvorak: I think so. I
think all three of mine are

2890
02:56:12,240 --> 02:56:16,740
better than that. Let's start
with thanks, Bing.

2891
02:56:18,090 --> 02:56:20,520
Adam Curry: Thanks for being
with us. No, it's too fast. Just

2892
02:56:20,520 --> 02:56:21,600
like the other one. That's no
good.

2893
02:56:22,380 --> 02:56:23,430
John C Dvorak: Okay, how about
this one? Bla

2894
02:56:23,430 --> 02:56:31,650
Adam Curry: bla bla bla bla bla.
Okay, I guess this is your

2895
02:56:31,650 --> 02:56:33,360
killer. The one you got at the
end here.

2896
02:56:34,380 --> 02:56:36,210
Unknown: Yeah, think? Think
about it.

2897
02:56:37,770 --> 02:56:40,740
Adam Curry: I mean, it's like,
we know

2898
02:56:40,740 --> 02:56:43,440
Unknown: the flu is deadly.
Think about it. About that.

2899
02:56:45,330 --> 02:56:47,880
John C Dvorak: You just like
think about it. No, I think that

2900
02:56:47,880 --> 02:56:48,630
combination would

2901
02:56:48,630 --> 02:56:50,970
Adam Curry: work. It's short and
sweet. I'll see that combo. I

2902
02:56:50,970 --> 02:56:56,580
think it's a good idea. May I? I
have a 46 second good news

2903
02:56:56,580 --> 02:56:57,030
story.

2904
02:56:58,140 --> 02:57:00,510
John C Dvorak: Oh, you want to
bump my good news story for

2905
02:57:00,510 --> 02:57:01,290
yours? Well, you're

2906
02:57:01,290 --> 02:57:03,390
Adam Curry: always doing the
good news stories. And well, you

2907
02:57:03,390 --> 02:57:05,610
John C Dvorak: gave me that
assignment. You specifically

2908
02:57:05,610 --> 02:57:08,790
told me to do this. And I've
been doing it. Yeah, Mimi's been

2909
02:57:08,790 --> 02:57:12,510
helping producers and on it and
now you're gonna jump because

2910
02:57:12,510 --> 02:57:16,980
it's so successful. You've

2911
02:57:18,180 --> 02:57:21,150
Adam Curry: been Stolen Valor.
Stolen Valor. Go

2912
02:57:21,150 --> 02:57:22,440
John C Dvorak: play the good
news story. Now

2913
02:57:22,440 --> 02:57:27,930
Unknown: it's time for you
surely see.

2914
02:57:28,290 --> 02:57:32,430
Adam Curry: It's a short one.
And if it's no good, I'll never

2915
02:57:32,430 --> 02:57:35,970
do it again. How about that? Is
that Is that Is that a deal?

2916
02:57:39,240 --> 02:57:41,880
John C Dvorak: For one thing I
don't think you'll be billed.

2917
02:57:42,060 --> 02:57:45,750
Stick to that promise. For
starters.

2918
02:57:47,610 --> 02:57:50,790
Adam Curry: Well, let's let's
Okay. I'll play mine. And if and

2919
02:57:50,790 --> 02:57:52,560
if you feel like it. We can do
yours too.

2920
02:57:52,920 --> 02:57:55,410
Unknown: Here we go. Well, we
have talked about flying the

2921
02:57:55,410 --> 02:57:59,010
friendly skies but this takes it
to a whole new level. Hoboken

2922
02:57:59,010 --> 02:58:02,280
natives Kelly and Jake Levine
were thrilled when their five

2923
02:58:02,280 --> 02:58:05,550
month old baby decided I'm not
going to cry on this flight. It

2924
02:58:05,550 --> 02:58:08,520
was her second flight ever.
Instead, she watched the woman

2925
02:58:08,520 --> 02:58:13,410
across the aisle crocheting that
woman Megan Rubin noticed and

2926
02:58:13,410 --> 02:58:16,320
she got an idea with just one
hour left in the flight she

2927
02:58:16,320 --> 02:58:21,870
crocheted a hat for sweet Romy
and that hat was a perfect fit

2928
02:58:21,870 --> 02:58:25,320
look at it there for me was just
mesmerized watching Megan

2929
02:58:25,320 --> 02:58:28,320
crochet and now they've all
become fast friends and Megan

2930
02:58:28,320 --> 02:58:32,490
says Up Next she is going to
crochet a maybe dress for Roma

2931
02:58:32,520 --> 02:58:36,090
love the worship leader fig is
watching what is

2932
02:58:36,090 --> 02:58:39,960
going on. It's a crochet Oh my
goodness. Come

2933
02:58:39,960 --> 02:58:40,890
Adam Curry: on.

2934
02:58:41,250 --> 02:58:45,960
John C Dvorak: Come on is the
debt is the most Bunnell that's

2935
02:58:45,960 --> 02:58:52,170
a great news story about some
woman okay. I think that it's

2936
02:58:52,170 --> 02:58:54,810
nothing I can reject in the
point where you'd stop doing

2937
02:58:54,810 --> 02:58:57,570
these I'm gonna let you that'll
be the good news for this show.

2938
02:58:57,600 --> 02:58:59,910
Adam Curry: Do you want to do
yours just in case I can bump it

2939
02:58:59,910 --> 02:59:04,410
is VersaLink people are calling
for yours. They want both they

2940
02:59:04,410 --> 02:59:07,770
want they love the segment so
much. They want to good news

2941
02:59:07,770 --> 02:59:08,520
stories.

2942
02:59:08,760 --> 02:59:10,710
John C Dvorak: Well, this one
here is about a woman who

2943
02:59:10,710 --> 02:59:15,690
retires at 84 and from a job
that she's had since night this

2944
02:59:15,690 --> 02:59:20,310
1970s at a location new we're
all familiar with. This isn't

2945
02:59:20,310 --> 02:59:21,450
quite interesting.

2946
02:59:21,570 --> 02:59:23,190
Unknown: Today is something
good. We've been talking about

2947
02:59:23,190 --> 02:59:26,760
Katie Kay 75th anniversary and
our co workers like paddy Cobb

2948
02:59:26,760 --> 02:59:30,060
who works here for 40 years or
more. Well guess what? I give

2949
02:59:30,060 --> 02:59:31,710
Sony A woman tops us off.

2950
02:59:31,740 --> 02:59:35,100
Yeah, her name is dot sharp. And
she started working at the

2951
02:59:35,100 --> 02:59:40,200
McDonald's in Gibsonia. All the
way back in 1978. I mean, Happy

2952
02:59:40,200 --> 02:59:44,910
Meals hadn't even been invented
yet. Well tomorrow at 10am After

2953
02:59:44,910 --> 02:59:50,550
45 years through cashier dot
will serve her last order.

2954
02:59:50,580 --> 02:59:53,670
I wonder what it's going to be.
Is it going to be the double l

2955
02:59:53,670 --> 02:59:53,970
can't be

2956
02:59:53,970 --> 02:59:56,850
the double Patty Big Mac though
but it could be chicken nuggets

2957
02:59:56,880 --> 02:59:57,480
it could be

2958
02:59:57,720 --> 03:00:00,780
dot celebrated her 84th birthday
last month and is looking

2959
03:00:00,780 --> 03:00:04,350
forward to retirement we wish
her all the best congratulations

2960
03:00:04,350 --> 03:00:05,070
dot think of

2961
03:00:05,070 --> 03:00:07,890
all the friends she made all the
people that are used to getting

2962
03:00:07,890 --> 03:00:10,650
their breakfast or whatever from
dot the window so funny

2963
03:00:10,650 --> 03:00:12,780
because as soon as I heard for I
thought we were gonna say french

2964
03:00:12,780 --> 03:00:13,110
fries

2965
03:00:16,770 --> 03:00:20,880
Adam Curry: native ad I can't
believe you let a native ad into

2966
03:00:20,880 --> 03:00:23,490
the good news segment. What

2967
03:00:23,490 --> 03:00:27,720
John C Dvorak: kind of positive
images into McDonald's has an 84

2968
03:00:27,720 --> 03:00:29,280
year old woman. Yeah,

2969
03:00:29,310 --> 03:00:31,950
Adam Curry: exactly. No no
everyone wants to go get a Big

2970
03:00:31,950 --> 03:00:36,870
Mac you oh my god this. That's
horrible. Native Ads are not

2971
03:00:36,870 --> 03:00:44,550
allowed to be good news stories.
about.no dot Her name is what

2972
03:00:44,550 --> 03:00:50,490
was named dotnet. Does sharp C
sharp dotnet it was it was a

2973
03:00:50,490 --> 03:00:52,290
total native ad. Oh, I'm sorry.

2974
03:00:53,580 --> 03:00:59,940
Unknown: Google News story from
JC de had the vibes for you. And

2975
03:01:00,960 --> 03:01:05,520
we all feel better. Now he's
done his bit. To back to

2976
03:01:05,520 --> 03:01:07,740
reality. That's turning to shit.

2977
03:01:08,280 --> 03:01:11,610
Adam Curry: Glad I brought the
crochet baby because that was

2978
03:01:11,610 --> 03:01:12,210
just

2979
03:01:13,290 --> 03:01:16,470
John C Dvorak: you had to bring
another one next show. Well, I

2980
03:01:16,470 --> 03:01:22,170
will teach you top to me as a
matter of speak, and it has to

2981
03:01:22,170 --> 03:01:26,670
be just as as Bunnell. Bunnell
have been announced.

2982
03:01:27,300 --> 03:01:29,190
Unknown: But now is a good word.

2983
03:01:29,610 --> 03:01:33,660
Adam Curry: That's a great work.
Night everybody I'm sorry for

2984
03:01:33,660 --> 03:01:38,160
that native add at the end at
least it wasn't for dog food. Up

2985
03:01:38,160 --> 03:01:41,070
next on the no agenda stream
troll room.io and the modern

2986
03:01:41,070 --> 03:01:47,850
podcast app that Larry show.
Stay tuned for that. And we have

2987
03:01:47,880 --> 03:01:51,870
end of show mixes from Tom
Starkweather. Professor Jay

2988
03:01:51,870 --> 03:01:56,820
Jones and the Maya is back.
Sure. Michael Anthony, on the

2989
03:01:56,820 --> 03:02:01,740
wheels of steel. And that will
do it. We were we were before we

2990
03:02:01,740 --> 03:02:05,700
will return on Thursday for
another another media

2991
03:02:05,700 --> 03:02:08,850
deconstruction just for you.
We're looking forward to it.

2992
03:02:09,540 --> 03:02:11,910
Until then, coming to you from
the heart of the Texas hill

2993
03:02:11,910 --> 03:02:14,430
country here in FEMA Region
number six. In the morning,

2994
03:02:14,430 --> 03:02:15,810
everybody. I'm Adam curry,

2995
03:02:16,050 --> 03:02:18,000
John C Dvorak: and from Northern
Silicon Valley, where I

2996
03:02:18,000 --> 03:02:22,410
recommend you back off on the
coffee. I'm John C. Dvorak and

2997
03:02:22,710 --> 03:02:25,890
Adam Curry: remember us at
devora.org/na We'll see you on

2998
03:02:25,890 --> 03:02:31,110
Thursday, everybody until then
adios mofos a hui, Hui, and such

2999
03:02:34,560 --> 03:02:35,340
relax.

3000
03:02:35,910 --> 03:02:38,490
Unknown: The computer is
processing the data. I will be

3001
03:02:38,490 --> 03:02:40,230
notified as soon as there is an
inflammation

3002
03:02:40,260 --> 03:02:44,940
and I want to be careful here. I
any advertiser or campaign I

3003
03:02:44,940 --> 03:02:46,290
know we're working with them
believe

3004
03:02:46,290 --> 03:02:50,310
that its goal is to sell
everything to everyone. Why am I

3005
03:02:50,310 --> 03:02:55,170
seeing this ad? Well, that's a
great, great question. Your

3006
03:02:55,170 --> 03:02:57,210
User Agreement sucks. We

3007
03:02:57,210 --> 03:03:00,720
see more passive listening and
passive monitoring in our own

3008
03:03:00,720 --> 03:03:01,470
homes with

3009
03:03:01,500 --> 03:03:03,030
the information we have
accumulated on.

3010
03:03:05,130 --> 03:03:08,880
We provided support to the Trump
campaign and he's been

3011
03:03:09,270 --> 03:03:13,170
terrific. He may be a globalist
but I still like him. He was

3012
03:03:13,170 --> 03:03:16,860
calling those things that was
not as though they were is what

3013
03:03:16,860 --> 03:03:18,600
he was still indeed. Yes, he

3014
03:03:18,600 --> 03:03:20,370
is seriously a globalist there's
no

3015
03:03:20,370 --> 03:03:23,610
question but there has never
been a company quite like Amazon

3016
03:03:23,640 --> 03:03:27,450
kin to a game of Whack a Mole.
Goodbye and cue

3017
03:03:27,840 --> 03:03:32,400
the biggest global risks of 2024
possible Trump victory comet

3018
03:03:32,400 --> 03:03:39,870
November on PC Trump being risks
number one domestic Furion fear

3019
03:03:39,870 --> 03:03:44,430
civil strife divisions on anyone
who opposes them this world war

3020
03:03:44,430 --> 03:03:48,150
three and create havoc

3021
03:03:55,410 --> 03:03:57,270
be whisked number one over

3022
03:03:57,270 --> 03:03:58,890
the wounds now.

3023
03:04:01,620 --> 03:04:06,540
On anyone who opposes them
that's all the strong have been

3024
03:04:06,540 --> 03:04:12,570
set by the whimpering propaganda
the weak and create havoc

3025
03:04:18,660 --> 03:04:21,840
to perform Shakespeares stuff
like that

3026
03:04:21,990 --> 03:04:28,140
possible Trump victory comment
and there's been bird and left

3027
03:04:28,140 --> 03:04:30,060
flip dogs of

3028
03:04:31,560 --> 03:04:35,610
the ruins of the noblest man
that ever lived in the time of

3029
03:04:37,470 --> 03:04:42,690
World War Three and create
havoc.

3030
03:04:55,560 --> 03:04:57,000
All going to need

3031
03:04:58,110 --> 03:05:00,240
to make a shirt Oh

3032
03:05:06,180 --> 03:05:07,650
no lies

3033
03:05:14,610 --> 03:05:27,360
in my classroom so get out back
home

3034
03:05:36,510 --> 03:05:37,950
and go home

3035
03:05:44,490 --> 03:05:45,270
it's time to move

3036
03:05:53,580 --> 03:06:01,710
on we got to all y'all keep
eating meat you can't have any

3037
03:06:01,710 --> 03:06:04,980
burden. How can you have any put
in if you keep it you?

3038
03:06:13,980 --> 03:06:20,040
MoPhO bohra.org/and We know the
flu is deadly. Think about it.