1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,910 John C Dvorak: We get a lot of fans helping us out. Adam curry, 2 00:00:03,030 --> 00:00:04,110 John C Devora 3 00:00:04,620 --> 00:00:07,530 Adam Curry: November 2 2023 This Year Award winning give on a 4 00:00:07,530 --> 00:00:12,630 sheet media assassination episode 16. This is no agenda. 5 00:00:13,590 --> 00:00:17,640 Your personal Mars language model is broadcasting live from 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:19,860 the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA Region 7 00:00:19,860 --> 00:00:22,710 number six in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry 8 00:00:22,890 --> 00:00:26,130 John C Dvorak: and from Northern Silicon Valley where we say well 9 00:00:26,130 --> 00:00:29,610 wishes to Bruce Bochy in the Texas Rangers I'm John C. 10 00:00:29,610 --> 00:00:30,120 Dvorak. 11 00:00:34,350 --> 00:00:40,860 Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah Texas did some we did they do we did good 12 00:00:40,860 --> 00:00:41,790 at sports ball 13 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,150 John C Dvorak: sports sports ball 14 00:00:48,150 --> 00:00:52,230 Adam Curry: sports ball we rule was sports ball. I was for the 15 00:00:52,230 --> 00:00:55,800 Astros of course was supposed to be for the Astros here. And then 16 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,950 they got kicked out by the Rangers now the Rangers are the 17 00:00:59,310 --> 00:01:01,860 they won the World Series who else from the world is in the 18 00:01:01,860 --> 00:01:02,640 World Series 19 00:01:04,500 --> 00:01:08,880 John C Dvorak: will the players are international okay with any 20 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:13,500 Japanese players is put not in on the Rangers that I know of. 21 00:01:13,500 --> 00:01:17,100 But there's plenty of Japanese players in fact, the best player 22 00:01:17,250 --> 00:01:22,470 not to belabor this at all, but the best player in the in the 23 00:01:22,500 --> 00:01:26,910 major leagues is actually a Japanese dude who both pitches 24 00:01:26,910 --> 00:01:28,800 and he's a big home run slugger 25 00:01:28,980 --> 00:01:31,740 Adam Curry: didn't didn't do a Japanese team win one year 26 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:33,090 somehow I remember this 27 00:01:34,530 --> 00:01:37,800 John C Dvorak: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they did. The Japanese came over 28 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:38,940 and they won. Yeah. Didn't 29 00:01:38,940 --> 00:01:41,610 Adam Curry: they win the World Series at some point? Yeah, the 30 00:01:41,610 --> 00:01:42,540 John C Dvorak: Tokyo giants. 31 00:01:44,580 --> 00:01:47,820 Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, there's a contradiction. The Tokyo giants 32 00:01:49,530 --> 00:01:51,750 John C Dvorak: ah ha That is the name of an actual team 33 00:01:51,780 --> 00:01:55,950 Adam Curry: now I'm sure it is. Okay. Yeah. I believe you. When 34 00:01:55,950 --> 00:01:59,160 it comes to sports you are the authority on the no agenda show. 35 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:04,590 I just add color. Which I think I do well, 36 00:02:05,910 --> 00:02:07,890 John C Dvorak: because he could they're the Giants but I think 37 00:02:07,890 --> 00:02:10,740 they're from Tokyo. Now I'm thinking second guessing myself. 38 00:02:10,740 --> 00:02:12,360 Ah. 39 00:02:13,410 --> 00:02:16,170 Adam Curry: And but has an American ever won the sumo 40 00:02:16,170 --> 00:02:17,550 championships is the question 41 00:02:17,670 --> 00:02:20,790 John C Dvorak: not as well. There's been some Americans. 42 00:02:20,910 --> 00:02:24,450 Samoans are were kind of American. I think there was 43 00:02:24,450 --> 00:02:24,990 Smolen 44 00:02:25,470 --> 00:02:30,090 Adam Curry: kind of America. Pre Americans. They were kind of 45 00:02:30,090 --> 00:02:30,480 here. 46 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,420 John C Dvorak: Yeah. It's mostly men. Sure he is right now that 47 00:02:33,420 --> 00:02:34,560 are winning this Sumos 48 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,230 Adam Curry: well, all that aside, I know you have a couple 49 00:02:40,230 --> 00:02:43,740 of clips that we might as well just get into it because we have 50 00:02:43,740 --> 00:02:48,270 to dive in deep because no one in media and I mean, absolutely 51 00:02:48,270 --> 00:02:51,000 no one has done a good job at this 52 00:02:51,030 --> 00:02:54,000 Unknown: presidential order on artificial intelligence setting 53 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,630 national rules on the rapidly growing technology that has big 54 00:02:57,630 --> 00:03:01,770 potential but also comes our senior White House correspondent 55 00:03:01,770 --> 00:03:04,830 Selena Wang has those details for Selena Selena. 56 00:03:05,820 --> 00:03:08,340 The White House is calling this the strongest action that any 57 00:03:08,340 --> 00:03:10,920 government has taken on artificial intelligence, safety 58 00:03:10,950 --> 00:03:13,740 and security. Today, the President signing an executive 59 00:03:13,740 --> 00:03:16,680 order that would require developers working on the most 60 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,830 powerful AI models to share their safety test results with 61 00:03:19,830 --> 00:03:22,680 the government before releasing their products to the public. It 62 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,370 also includes developing standards for ethically using AI 63 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:30,840 and for detecting AI generated content and labeling it as such, 64 00:03:30,990 --> 00:03:33,780 but this is just the start to tackling the many dangers of AI 65 00:03:33,780 --> 00:03:37,110 as it rapidly advances. The technology threatens jobs by 66 00:03:37,110 --> 00:03:40,170 replacing human tasks, it makes it far easier to spread 67 00:03:40,170 --> 00:03:43,410 misinformation and to steal people's data. The White House 68 00:03:43,410 --> 00:03:46,890 is also urging Congress to do more to pass bipartisan privacy 69 00:03:46,890 --> 00:03:49,830 legislation and the White House making clear that this isn't 70 00:03:49,830 --> 00:03:52,710 just America's problem, but that the US needs to work with the 71 00:03:52,710 --> 00:03:54,210 world to set standards here. 72 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,970 Adam Curry: Yes, yes we're so good at working with the world 73 00:03:56,970 --> 00:03:58,380 we need to work with the worst 74 00:03:58,380 --> 00:04:01,800 John C Dvorak: report I've heard so far. Well, who is this woman 75 00:04:02,190 --> 00:04:02,670 see 76 00:04:02,670 --> 00:04:06,090 Adam Curry: some woman for Good Morning America the best report 77 00:04:06,660 --> 00:04:10,110 who really was Deutsche Avella you know because it's not just 78 00:04:10,110 --> 00:04:13,920 the the the executive order it comes just a few days before the 79 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:18,390 big summit in in the United Kingdom at the home of the code 80 00:04:18,390 --> 00:04:19,080 breakers. 81 00:04:19,379 --> 00:04:21,299 John C Dvorak: Yeah, that's where I get my clips from. 82 00:04:21,450 --> 00:04:24,030 Adam Curry: This this one from Dortch Avella kick. It really 83 00:04:24,030 --> 00:04:24,450 killed me. 84 00:04:24,450 --> 00:04:27,360 Unknown: So one of the godfathers of Age of AI Joshua 85 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:28,560 Bengio is here and 86 00:04:29,820 --> 00:04:32,820 Adam Curry: Jedi Bongi are one of the Godfather he's a good for 87 00:04:33,060 --> 00:04:36,000 God. Good for the Godfather 88 00:04:36,030 --> 00:04:39,450 Unknown: one of the godfathers of Age of AI Joshua Bengio is 89 00:04:39,450 --> 00:04:40,020 here and 90 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,320 Adam Curry: this lady by the way, I don't know what kind of 91 00:04:43,350 --> 00:04:47,490 what kind of assignment she got. But she you know her hair is 92 00:04:47,490 --> 00:04:51,090 just it blonde lady is like she didn't do her hair this morning. 93 00:04:51,930 --> 00:04:54,600 It's just not a good look. standing out front row that 94 00:04:54,630 --> 00:04:59,010 English countryside home home of the code breakers. He sat 95 00:04:59,070 --> 00:05:01,950 Unknown: in the future artificial intelligence could 96 00:05:01,950 --> 00:05:08,760 help spread misinformation, destabilize democracy. Weapons 97 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:13,680 can basically be built by people at home. So the bio weapons 98 00:05:13,740 --> 00:05:17,310 Adam Curry: or AI will help people build bio weapons at home 99 00:05:17,310 --> 00:05:18,540 and your kitchen sink, 100 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,110 Unknown: really massive risks involved and MasterCard has 101 00:05:22,110 --> 00:05:28,800 assembled these tech. Brady fans really from across the world 102 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,580 delegation from China we're hearing is here and all the 103 00:05:32,580 --> 00:05:37,200 major Western democracies and tech entrepreneurs to actually 104 00:05:37,230 --> 00:05:42,210 come to a baseline guardrail. Really? Where are the most 105 00:05:42,210 --> 00:05:45,510 extreme extreme risks from artificial intelligence? And 106 00:05:45,750 --> 00:05:49,500 where should government's what can government's do about it? 107 00:05:49,500 --> 00:05:51,570 What can international bodies do about it? 108 00:05:52,469 --> 00:05:56,459 Adam Curry: So before we get to your clips in from the UK, 109 00:05:56,819 --> 00:06:01,559 President Biden did this big ceremony very long speech about 110 00:06:01,559 --> 00:06:06,599 all kinds of other things before he got to the AI executive 111 00:06:06,599 --> 00:06:11,189 order? And oh, Kara Swisher Scott G. Were there because you 112 00:06:11,189 --> 00:06:14,009 know, they're AI influencers that's very important that they 113 00:06:14,009 --> 00:06:17,759 can invite How can we never get invited to the White House? Were 114 00:06:17,759 --> 00:06:19,619 influencers you should have 115 00:06:19,620 --> 00:06:20,880 John C Dvorak: been invited by Trump 116 00:06:23,370 --> 00:06:27,000 Adam Curry: Fat chance. So this is really what it comes down to 117 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:32,190 for the for the President to whoever is in charge of him. 118 00:06:32,730 --> 00:06:36,330 It's all it's all about the elections and deep fakes and he 119 00:06:36,390 --> 00:06:40,410 in this 26 Second stand up, he kind of set it all it's already 120 00:06:40,410 --> 00:06:43,050 Unknown: happening, AI devices are being used to deceive 121 00:06:43,050 --> 00:06:47,460 people. Deep fakes. Use AI generated audio and video to 122 00:06:47,460 --> 00:06:50,880 smear reputations, speak crispbreads, fake news and 123 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:55,500 committed with AI fraudsters can take three second, and you all 124 00:06:55,500 --> 00:06:58,890 know this. Three sets of recording of your voice. I've 125 00:06:58,890 --> 00:07:04,020 watched one of me on a couple of acid when the hell did I say 126 00:07:04,020 --> 00:07:04,350 that? 127 00:07:08,100 --> 00:07:11,610 Adam Curry: Already know. Exactly. We laugh about the 128 00:07:11,610 --> 00:07:14,580 stuff that is real. In fact, someone sent me that clip and 129 00:07:14,580 --> 00:07:17,430 said, Here's an obvious deep fake of Biden talking about deep 130 00:07:17,430 --> 00:07:22,860 fakes are like, no, he actually said that. But the end, just 131 00:07:22,860 --> 00:07:26,460 before we get into it, I think it's actually now that they have 132 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,610 their grip because I read this whole executive order. I have 133 00:07:29,610 --> 00:07:33,840 some things to say about it later. It's actually a great way 134 00:07:34,470 --> 00:07:39,210 to if you know, if you have control of it, it's a great way 135 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:46,020 to use a eyes misinformation to cover up actual facts. I will 136 00:07:46,020 --> 00:07:48,120 give you an example. Because this is something that came 137 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:53,760 across from I think France 24. Now you are, I would say between 138 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,580 the two of us, certainly, but you're quite skilled at being 139 00:07:56,610 --> 00:08:03,030 able to tell if someone is using cocaine on a regular basis. Am I 140 00:08:03,030 --> 00:08:06,870 right? I mean, that's Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah. Now Stilinski 141 00:08:06,900 --> 00:08:12,000 Yes, it has been your assertion from many videos that presidents 142 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,730 Alinsky is probably a cokehead. Correct. 143 00:08:15,510 --> 00:08:17,730 John C Dvorak: And he and But and if you talk to Ukrainians, 144 00:08:17,730 --> 00:08:21,450 they all think he has to. So you're not alone in this. 145 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:26,070 Adam Curry: So if you if you want to debunk it, all you have 146 00:08:26,070 --> 00:08:28,800 to do is say oh, that's a deep fake AI. 147 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,220 Unknown: See Anna Lee reporting for us there. Well, it's time 148 00:08:32,220 --> 00:08:35,700 now for our daily fact checking segment on the program daily 149 00:08:35,940 --> 00:08:38,220 checking truth or fake and for that I'm joined. 150 00:08:38,610 --> 00:08:41,790 Adam Curry: Wow, wouldn't imagine if title truth or fake? 151 00:08:42,209 --> 00:08:43,919 John C Dvorak: We've been playing truths or fake for about 152 00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:44,609 five years. 153 00:08:45,270 --> 00:08:46,110 Adam Curry: No, we 154 00:08:46,680 --> 00:08:49,200 John C Dvorak: don't like the title or we bid on this. We 155 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,270 Adam Curry: know we don't actually call it truth or 156 00:08:51,270 --> 00:08:54,300 John C Dvorak: fail. No, that's what they friends 24 has, that's 157 00:08:54,300 --> 00:08:56,460 what they call it. I have no idea why they call it that is 158 00:08:56,460 --> 00:08:56,940 dumb 159 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,100 Unknown: or fake. And for that I'm joined here in the studio by 160 00:08:59,100 --> 00:09:01,560 Catalina Marsh on de Abreu. Thanks for joining us on the 161 00:09:01,560 --> 00:09:04,260 program. Today we're talking about Ukraine. As I know you 162 00:09:04,260 --> 00:09:08,940 often do Catalina and President Lenski he's been accused of a 163 00:09:08,940 --> 00:09:13,230 drug addiction problem. So true or fake? True or fake? 164 00:09:15,090 --> 00:09:17,520 Talking Ukraine. Yes. We're going to address certain rumors 165 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,970 on social media claiming that President Zelensky is addicted 166 00:09:21,180 --> 00:09:23,070 to cocaine. We will 167 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:24,630 John C Dvorak: make a 168 00:09:25,050 --> 00:09:27,360 Adam Curry: you'll notice she switches back and forth between 169 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,220 cocaine and then she just like Coke 170 00:09:29,250 --> 00:09:31,500 Unknown: coke by pro Russian accounts. 171 00:09:31,710 --> 00:09:34,980 Adam Curry: So it's pro Russia. It's pro Russian accounts this 172 00:09:34,980 --> 00:09:38,250 deep fake so this is how this how you do it. You get your 173 00:09:38,250 --> 00:09:42,270 actual deep fake ready. You put that out there because man, 174 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:47,280 dude, Volodymyr man, stop tooten so much now we gotta go. We 175 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,760 gotta go debunk that. buys. Let's get a deep fake out there. 176 00:09:50,790 --> 00:09:55,260 Okay. Let's just say Let's put on some Russian accounts to 177 00:09:55,260 --> 00:09:56,190 cocaine. 178 00:09:56,460 --> 00:09:59,010 Unknown: We will disprove these claims made by pro Russian 179 00:09:59,010 --> 00:10:03,150 accounts. Starting with this pro Russian account video from April 180 00:10:03,150 --> 00:10:07,260 23, where we can see an alleged pile of coke and a credit card 181 00:10:07,380 --> 00:10:07,770 on an 182 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,490 Adam Curry: alleged pile of coke she's forgot to say cocaine 183 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,280 Unknown: third, where we can see an alleged pile of coke and a 184 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:18,300 credit card on a president Solinsky desk during a video 185 00:10:18,300 --> 00:10:21,150 call with the man of the hour Elon Musk this phone call took 186 00:10:21,150 --> 00:10:24,630 place on March 6, and this user claims that the cameraman 187 00:10:24,660 --> 00:10:29,730 accidentally filmed the pile of coke on his. So more skeptical 188 00:10:29,730 --> 00:10:32,250 users on social media noticed that the credit card has a 189 00:10:32,250 --> 00:10:36,330 strange Halo to it, and hence claimed that it was digitally 190 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,330 altered. And we can confirm indeed that this video was 191 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:44,850 digitally altered indeed. Here we have a Elian Higgins who made 192 00:10:44,850 --> 00:10:48,780 a split screen video version of the altered video and the 193 00:10:48,780 --> 00:10:49,740 digitally altered one. 194 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,650 Adam Curry: They didn't even do this work. They're just grabbing 195 00:10:52,650 --> 00:10:54,930 someone else's. You know? 196 00:10:55,680 --> 00:10:58,920 John C Dvorak: I'm liking this thesis of yours because he's 197 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,280 given me all kinds of ideas. Yes, because what they're what 198 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,790 they're doing. This is very interesting, it dimensionally 199 00:11:05,790 --> 00:11:10,230 when it comes to deconstructing something. They're taking stuff 200 00:11:10,230 --> 00:11:14,610 that's obviously done as a joke. And that particular video is a 201 00:11:14,610 --> 00:11:19,860 joke because everyone knows he's a cokehead. Joker put this on 202 00:11:19,860 --> 00:11:23,190 there. And they're using that to debunk the fact that he's a 203 00:11:23,190 --> 00:11:28,500 cokehead not that that video is fake. Exactly. But the whole 204 00:11:28,500 --> 00:11:32,220 thesis that he's a cokehead is bullcrap. When in fact, that's 205 00:11:32,220 --> 00:11:36,630 not. So they're taking their tape. This is very, very 206 00:11:36,630 --> 00:11:40,470 interesting. And this is exactly where this is gonna go what you 207 00:11:40,470 --> 00:11:45,180 said, which is that they're going to use you know, joke 208 00:11:45,180 --> 00:11:47,400 stuff. And that's not even a deep fake. It's just somebody 209 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:53,130 doing some video it tom foolery? Yes. Which is what the most you 210 00:11:53,130 --> 00:11:55,950 could call it, putting the pilot Coco. 211 00:11:56,460 --> 00:11:59,190 Adam Curry: By the way, the pile of Coke was huge. 212 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:01,860 John C Dvorak: Yeah, of course, initially, you know, it was done 213 00:12:01,860 --> 00:12:05,850 as a gag. But it wasn't done as a gag, you know, out of, you 214 00:12:05,850 --> 00:12:08,190 know, just out of the blue because does somebody thought it 215 00:12:08,190 --> 00:12:11,760 was just because he's a co CAD, and they thought it would be 216 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,380 funny to point it out. 217 00:12:13,410 --> 00:12:18,510 Adam Curry: Exactly. Exactly. Now, and I've one more than I 218 00:12:18,510 --> 00:12:20,610 want you to play your clips, because I'm gonna set it up 219 00:12:20,610 --> 00:12:23,850 because if we have this, we just heard the smartest minds in 220 00:12:23,850 --> 00:12:28,290 tech. The brilliant is people. And this is the house where the 221 00:12:28,290 --> 00:12:32,310 code breakers were Alan Turing was here. This is the place this 222 00:12:32,310 --> 00:12:38,370 is the mecca, the origins of AI. And who do you send? Kamala 223 00:12:38,370 --> 00:12:39,060 Harris, 224 00:12:39,090 --> 00:12:41,790 Unknown: the US Vice President Kamala Harris has challenged 225 00:12:41,790 --> 00:12:44,490 governments around the world to come up with a common set of 226 00:12:44,490 --> 00:12:48,120 understandings on artificial intelligence, in his speech at a 227 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,060 global gathering in England, you 228 00:12:51,060 --> 00:12:52,170 Adam Curry: send her well, everyone 229 00:12:52,170 --> 00:12:53,520 John C Dvorak: knows what Yeah, but what do you what do you 230 00:12:53,580 --> 00:12:57,420 watch for a common what of understanding becoming what 231 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:58,410 Adam Curry: plus listen to get 232 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,190 Unknown: official intelligence around the world to come up with 233 00:13:02,190 --> 00:13:06,180 a common set of understandings on Article A common, 234 00:13:06,449 --> 00:13:09,419 Adam Curry: common common set of understanding common 235 00:13:09,420 --> 00:13:12,060 John C Dvorak: set of understanding what does that 236 00:13:12,060 --> 00:13:13,260 even mean think 237 00:13:13,260 --> 00:13:15,030 Adam Curry: it means definitions, and I'll get into 238 00:13:15,030 --> 00:13:16,050 that after your clips 239 00:13:16,170 --> 00:13:18,450 Unknown: and a speech at a global gathering on the issue in 240 00:13:18,450 --> 00:13:21,540 England, Harris said country's needed to address the full 241 00:13:21,540 --> 00:13:25,290 spectrum of the risks posed by the new technology. She said a 242 00:13:25,290 --> 00:13:29,490 new US institution could act as a model for others to test the 243 00:13:29,490 --> 00:13:33,900 safety of AI. And she added that now is the time to take action 244 00:13:34,170 --> 00:13:37,080 and ensure that artificial intelligence is safe for the 245 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:37,560 future. 246 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:44,760 Just as AI has the potential to do profound good, like what it 247 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:49,140 also has the potential to cause profound harm. 248 00:13:49,170 --> 00:13:51,510 Adam Curry: Notice how they rarely say what the good things 249 00:13:51,510 --> 00:13:53,010 are. It's only Ooh scare. 250 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,420 Unknown: From AI enabled cyber attacks of a scale beyond 251 00:13:57,450 --> 00:13:58,950 anything we've seen before. 252 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,150 Adam Curry: attacks at a scale beyond anything we've seen 253 00:14:03,150 --> 00:14:03,960 before like, 254 00:14:05,100 --> 00:14:08,040 John C Dvorak: what is what's the mechanism for AI creating 255 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:12,180 the biggest cyber attack and that we've ever seen when we've 256 00:14:12,180 --> 00:14:13,620 seen some Whoppers? Yeah, we've seen 257 00:14:13,620 --> 00:14:16,770 Adam Curry: some really good ones. Yeah, man. And by the way, 258 00:14:16,770 --> 00:14:21,480 most hacks are human hack psychology hacks, nots, not 259 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:22,890 cyber Milo's go 260 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,320 Unknown: to AI formulated bio weapons. 261 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,360 Adam Curry: AI is going to put one no, 262 00:14:30,900 --> 00:14:34,230 Unknown: that could endanger the lives of millions of people, 263 00:14:34,500 --> 00:14:35,670 like, like COVID 264 00:14:36,210 --> 00:14:38,520 John C Dvorak: or our own government developed, like COVID 265 00:14:38,940 --> 00:14:40,680 is gonna be that bad or worse? I 266 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,100 Unknown: think so. Threats are often referred to as the 267 00:14:44,100 --> 00:14:46,470 existential threats of AI. 268 00:14:46,530 --> 00:14:49,380 Adam Curry: Well, often referred to jahromi. Got to get on board 269 00:14:49,380 --> 00:14:52,200 with this. We have to get on board with the often referred to 270 00:14:52,350 --> 00:14:56,190 existential threats from Ai. That means we're going to die 271 00:14:56,190 --> 00:14:57,270 from Ai, 272 00:14:57,660 --> 00:15:00,450 Unknown: because of course they could endanger you The very 273 00:15:00,450 --> 00:15:02,940 existence of humanity. Of course, 274 00:15:02,970 --> 00:15:05,580 Adam Curry: of course just says it so cavalierly, of course, 275 00:15:06,210 --> 00:15:11,490 Unknown: these threats without question or question, and they 276 00:15:11,490 --> 00:15:13,140 demand global action 277 00:15:13,170 --> 00:15:14,640 Adam Curry: without question without question he 278 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,270 Unknown: made well as the US Vice President call for urgent 279 00:15:18,300 --> 00:15:22,230 action from threat from Ai. Britain published what it says 280 00:15:22,230 --> 00:15:26,100 is a landmark declaration aimed at boosting global cooperation 281 00:15:26,100 --> 00:15:29,190 to ensure the safety of artificial intelligence. The 282 00:15:29,190 --> 00:15:32,970 declaration agreed by 28 countries, including the US and 283 00:15:32,970 --> 00:15:36,240 China, was presented on the opening day of the first ever 284 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,530 global AI safety Summit, which takes place in the UK. The 285 00:15:40,530 --> 00:15:43,230 British government says the Blatchley declaration will act 286 00:15:43,230 --> 00:15:49,260 as a starting point for a global conversation on the issue. Sunak 287 00:15:49,590 --> 00:15:53,430 said monitoring the risks posed by artificial intelligence was 288 00:15:53,430 --> 00:15:56,820 too important to be left to big tech firms 289 00:15:56,850 --> 00:15:59,220 Adam Curry: alone. Yeah, I'm sick of these declarations. So 290 00:15:59,220 --> 00:16:02,730 now they have the Bletchley deck, we need a declaration. We 291 00:16:02,730 --> 00:16:06,630 did our own declaration. We called the Podunk declaration or 292 00:16:06,630 --> 00:16:07,350 whatever. No, 293 00:16:07,350 --> 00:16:09,090 John C Dvorak: hey, we got to give us something like that 294 00:16:09,090 --> 00:16:09,360 cool. 295 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,340 Adam Curry: Name not pulled down. Well, okay, now it's the 296 00:16:11,340 --> 00:16:13,260 Bletchley deck declaration. 297 00:16:13,620 --> 00:16:16,020 John C Dvorak: We'll come up with something they affirm. 298 00:16:16,290 --> 00:16:19,770 Affirm that while Yeah, to affirm everyone has to come up 299 00:16:19,770 --> 00:16:23,490 with a declaration and we have to affirm what it has to begin 300 00:16:23,490 --> 00:16:23,760 with. 301 00:16:23,790 --> 00:16:29,070 Adam Curry: We affirm, we affirm whilst whilst you got to put 302 00:16:29,070 --> 00:16:32,880 whilst in there, these are good terms, whilst safety must be 303 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:33,840 considered across 304 00:16:34,170 --> 00:16:36,450 John C Dvorak: Fredericksburg is a good name for a declaration. 305 00:16:37,020 --> 00:16:42,510 Declaration. Yes, Berkeley is also not bad. Oh, no. No 306 00:16:42,510 --> 00:16:45,390 Berkeley declaration. No, no, no, it sounds too late. You're 307 00:16:45,390 --> 00:16:48,030 right. It sounds like some sort of communist Fredericksburg 308 00:16:48,030 --> 00:16:50,160 Adam Curry: sounds kind of Nazi. You know, it's kind of friends. 309 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:58,350 Yes, okay. So whilst safety must be considered across the AI, 310 00:16:58,350 --> 00:17:03,300 lifecycle actors, actors are in this. What are actors doing? 311 00:17:04,590 --> 00:17:07,470 Their restaurants shouldn't be working actors developing 312 00:17:07,470 --> 00:17:12,120 frontier AI capabilities. In particular, those AI systems, 313 00:17:12,120 --> 00:17:17,460 which are unusually powerful, and potentially harmful. things 314 00:17:17,460 --> 00:17:20,490 make it sound like terrorists are using this stuff, have a 315 00:17:20,490 --> 00:17:21,960 particularly strong 316 00:17:21,990 --> 00:17:26,220 John C Dvorak: what to do drawing, to write long essays, 317 00:17:26,250 --> 00:17:26,790 look here, 318 00:17:26,790 --> 00:17:30,720 Adam Curry: six fingers. I have a particularly strong 319 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,110 responsibility for ensuring the safety of these AI systems, 320 00:17:34,290 --> 00:17:36,960 including through systems for safety testing, through 321 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:41,310 evaluations, and by other appropriate method measures. We 322 00:17:41,310 --> 00:17:45,510 encourage all relevant actors to provide context appropriate 323 00:17:45,510 --> 00:17:49,170 transparency above blah, blah. So it comes down to these two 324 00:17:49,170 --> 00:17:52,200 points in the context of our cooperation, and to 325 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,990 unfortunately, you reading from I'm reading from the Bletchley 326 00:17:54,990 --> 00:17:58,110 declaration. Okay. Yeah, come on. I mean, this is a 327 00:17:58,110 --> 00:18:02,160 declaration. I like reading declarations. No, it's like the 328 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:03,060 declaration I 329 00:18:03,330 --> 00:18:05,220 John C Dvorak: declare, as wishes start. 330 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:09,480 Adam Curry: At no, we affirm that whilst in the context of 331 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,450 our cooperation and to inform action at the national and 332 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,140 international levels. Our agenda for addressing frontier AI risk, 333 00:18:16,350 --> 00:18:21,390 its frontier AI risk will focus on two points, identifying AI 334 00:18:21,390 --> 00:18:26,040 safety risks of shared concern, building a shared scientific and 335 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,460 evidence based understanding of these risks, which we did not 336 00:18:29,460 --> 00:18:33,420 hear. And sustaining that understanding as capabilities 337 00:18:33,420 --> 00:18:36,660 continued to increase in the context of a wider global 338 00:18:36,660 --> 00:18:40,710 approach to understanding the impact of AI in our societies. 339 00:18:41,370 --> 00:18:45,000 That was written by Chad GPT. There's no doubt about it, and 340 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,270 to building respect of risk based policies across our 341 00:18:48,270 --> 00:18:51,450 countries to ensure safety in light of such risks, 342 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,200 collaborating as appropriate, while recognizing our approaches 343 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,690 may differ based on national circumstances and applicable 344 00:18:57,690 --> 00:19:01,110 legal frameworks. This includes alongside increased transparency 345 00:19:01,110 --> 00:19:04,800 by private actors developing frontier AI capabilities, 346 00:19:05,070 --> 00:19:08,670 appropriately evaluate Brian tear thing Oh, crap. 347 00:19:09,540 --> 00:19:11,970 John C Dvorak: You know, you might be right because I took 348 00:19:11,970 --> 00:19:15,270 this Bletchley thing I listened to all it clips about and the 349 00:19:15,270 --> 00:19:18,690 clips I brought as a drinking club, because he went up to 350 00:19:18,690 --> 00:19:21,330 this, you know, it's a it's a, and they keep talking about how 351 00:19:21,330 --> 00:19:25,920 pretty it is. It's idyllic. We're in a DELIC, Bletchley. And 352 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,980 there is a bunch of losers and they're all it's a drinking 353 00:19:28,980 --> 00:19:32,070 club. And I wouldn't be surprised if as a joke, because 354 00:19:32,100 --> 00:19:36,840 I would do it. Let's have a chat. GPT write the Declaration. 355 00:19:37,170 --> 00:19:40,200 Adam Curry: Haven't write a Bletchley declaration. Exactly. 356 00:19:40,350 --> 00:19:42,810 Let's play your clips. I got some more after that. All right. 357 00:19:42,810 --> 00:19:46,110 John C Dvorak: This is kind of a rundown with they don't go 358 00:19:46,110 --> 00:19:48,630 anywhere of course, because nothing really comes of any of 359 00:19:48,630 --> 00:19:53,580 this stuff. It's just a bunch of ninnies running around with 360 00:19:53,580 --> 00:19:55,800 their hair on fire. But let's start with clip one. 361 00:19:55,980 --> 00:19:59,520 Unknown: Delegates from 28 countries including the US and 362 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,780 China. gathered today at a bucolic English country estate 363 00:20:03,810 --> 00:20:07,110 they gathered to sound an alarm about AI Artificial 364 00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:10,320 Intelligence. They pledged to work together to contain what 365 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,890 they call the potentially catastrophic risks posed by this 366 00:20:13,890 --> 00:20:16,950 technology. Will in Paris, Lauren Frayer has been covering 367 00:20:16,980 --> 00:20:20,730 this two day summit of politicians and tech CEOs. Hey 368 00:20:20,730 --> 00:20:24,840 there, Lauren. Hi. Very basic question. When we say they're 369 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:29,100 gathered, they're talking AI. What do they mean? What has them 370 00:20:29,100 --> 00:20:30,570 so worried that they've all come together? 371 00:20:31,350 --> 00:20:34,590 There's a lot of like, talk about existential threats in the 372 00:20:34,590 --> 00:20:37,500 UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, has actually said he's literally 373 00:20:37,500 --> 00:20:41,580 worried about humanity losing control of computers, delegates 374 00:20:41,580 --> 00:20:45,870 are talking about the role of AI and bio weapons, cyber attacks, 375 00:20:45,870 --> 00:20:49,260 making the global financial system go haywire threats to 376 00:20:49,260 --> 00:20:53,280 democracy. But AI is also stuff that like you might be familiar 377 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,700 with language models, things like chat, GPT, Google 378 00:20:56,700 --> 00:21:01,080 Translate, and also tools that like your bank may be using to 379 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:05,400 evaluate loan applications, read your medical records. Vice 380 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,250 President Kamala Harris is in town for this summit. And she 381 00:21:08,250 --> 00:21:11,640 gave a speech today at the US Embassy in London where she gave 382 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,080 some real world examples. 383 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,130 Consider, for example, when a senior is kicked off his health 384 00:21:17,130 --> 00:21:22,290 care plan, because of a faulty AI algorithm. Is that not 385 00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:24,090 existential for him? 386 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:25,950 Adam Curry: Oh, goodness. 387 00:21:27,030 --> 00:21:30,480 John C Dvorak: No, of course I cut it there because Yeah, cuz 388 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,200 she's annoying, cuz she's an idiot. Now, this has happened 389 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,620 with just casually This happens all the time. This has nothing 390 00:21:37,620 --> 00:21:38,910 to do with a I 391 00:21:38,940 --> 00:21:41,850 Adam Curry: know it's a stupid algorithm that's already in use. 392 00:21:43,620 --> 00:21:45,810 John C Dvorak: So some guy got kicked off his health care plan, 393 00:21:45,810 --> 00:21:48,720 he has to go through a rigmarole to get him it's like losing your 394 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,390 credit score being off because of wherever somebody steals. 395 00:21:52,170 --> 00:21:54,450 He's got none of this has anything to do with AI. It's 396 00:21:54,450 --> 00:21:57,810 real world issues that have been going on forever. And now it's 397 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:02,520 just going to be easier to blame it on AI. Yep. So anyway, so 398 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,430 this is the NPR report that I thought they handled it kind of 399 00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:08,040 lightly. They weren't taking it too seriously. And they were 400 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:12,030 more interested in the fact that that's bucolic to be out there. 401 00:22:12,030 --> 00:22:16,470 And Bletchley, which isn't, you know, you go to these places, 402 00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:19,620 there's plenty of them in the English countryside. And they 403 00:22:19,620 --> 00:22:22,710 have meetings meetings in them. I've been to more than a couple 404 00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:26,340 when I was writing for PC Magazine, UK, and is gorgeous, 405 00:22:26,340 --> 00:22:28,710 you know, you go in there and it's just these beautiful 406 00:22:29,100 --> 00:22:30,960 places, and that's drinking club, 407 00:22:30,990 --> 00:22:34,260 Adam Curry: you know what you can hear there. A rustle in the 408 00:22:34,260 --> 00:22:38,580 headrow. Alright, number two, 409 00:22:38,939 --> 00:22:41,819 Unknown: so she talks about people being victimized by deep 410 00:22:41,819 --> 00:22:46,559 fakes, like fake explicit photographs are in prison 411 00:22:46,559 --> 00:22:51,149 because of biased AI facial recognition software by and she 412 00:22:51,149 --> 00:22:53,489 talks about the need to regulate all of that stuff without 413 00:22:53,489 --> 00:22:55,289 stifling innovation. Wow. That's 414 00:22:55,290 --> 00:22:58,620 the challenge. Okay, so we've got the American vice president 415 00:22:58,620 --> 00:23:00,780 there, the British Prime Minister, Prime Minister, Sunak, 416 00:23:00,780 --> 00:23:04,260 everybody talking about it. I guess the question that's always 417 00:23:04,260 --> 00:23:07,410 hanging over this is what can they actually do? What are they 418 00:23:07,410 --> 00:23:07,860 going to do? 419 00:23:07,919 --> 00:23:10,649 Yeah, so they can issue a joint declaration, which they did 420 00:23:10,649 --> 00:23:14,579 today. But you know, there's no global regulatory body. There's 421 00:23:14,579 --> 00:23:17,939 nothing binding here. This summit is a success in terms of 422 00:23:17,939 --> 00:23:20,849 just bringing these people together. And it goes beyond 423 00:23:20,849 --> 00:23:24,539 politicians. I consulted an AI expert, Nina Schick, and she 424 00:23:24,539 --> 00:23:27,599 says a major role is going to have to be played by us tech 425 00:23:27,599 --> 00:23:28,289 company. Who 426 00:23:28,290 --> 00:23:31,020 Adam Curry: is this Nina Schick? When is when did she come on the 427 00:23:31,020 --> 00:23:34,020 scene? Nina share we got another one. Here she comes 428 00:23:34,050 --> 00:23:38,280 Unknown: primarily because the knowledge in terms of what is 429 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,250 actually happening, how are these systems built? what's 430 00:23:41,250 --> 00:23:44,490 under the hood who can understand them is not going to 431 00:23:44,490 --> 00:23:47,430 come from government alone. Industry needs to be a part of 432 00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:48,270 this conversation. 433 00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:50,010 And so to that end, Elon Musk 434 00:23:50,340 --> 00:23:53,460 Adam Curry: tomasik and Nina Schick who looks like she's 435 00:23:53,460 --> 00:23:59,700 about 30 Bit of an AOC look, Nina schick.org. Nina, she 436 00:23:59,700 --> 00:24:00,720 John C Dvorak: needs a shake. Okay, hold 437 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,230 Adam Curry: on. Sir advisor and speaker specializing in 438 00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:09,030 generative AI she has Oh out of the blue. Oh yeah. Deep fakes. 439 00:24:09,030 --> 00:24:12,180 Let's see deep fakes where she deep fakes are the first viral 440 00:24:12,180 --> 00:24:16,830 form of generative AI. This is where the story begins. Oh, 441 00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:21,720 she's she's an expert, but what's your bio? Nina shit. Nina 442 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,430 Schick as your bio. 443 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,020 John C Dvorak: Oh she doesn't she does have an AI AOC has an 444 00:24:28,020 --> 00:24:31,980 AI she looks like aI Yes, she does. looks a little like AOC 445 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,040 Adam Curry: Nina advises several AI and technology companies 446 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:39,150 including true pick the first to build media authentication 447 00:24:39,150 --> 00:24:41,910 technology. And Cynthia. The world is 448 00:24:41,910 --> 00:24:45,840 John C Dvorak: very interesting. She was born in Katmandu, not to 449 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:46,620 Nepal. 450 00:24:46,890 --> 00:24:49,530 Adam Curry: Nina's debut book, deep fakes, was released in 451 00:24:49,530 --> 00:24:54,000 2020. Translated into five languages. She's a seasoned 452 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,840 media commentator. Oh, can we call us that ourselves a cesium? 453 00:24:58,290 --> 00:25:01,560 Well, I'm a seasoned media commentator. So you know, 454 00:25:02,370 --> 00:25:03,480 John C Dvorak: assault on yeah, here we go 455 00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:06,540 Unknown: is not going to come from government alone 456 00:25:06,570 --> 00:25:08,790 industry needs to be a part of this Congress. She 457 00:25:08,790 --> 00:25:12,900 Adam Curry: has advised leaders including Joe Biden, the 458 00:25:12,900 --> 00:25:17,640 president, kick and on Anders Fogh Rasmussen the former 459 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,330 Secretary General of NATO she speaks seven languages and calls 460 00:25:21,330 --> 00:25:25,890 London Berlin and Katmandu home she's an agent. I wouldn't have 461 00:25:25,890 --> 00:25:26,700 her on the show and 462 00:25:26,700 --> 00:25:30,990 John C Dvorak: let me think London Berlin and Katmandu is 463 00:25:30,990 --> 00:25:32,640 her where she calls home yeah 464 00:25:32,670 --> 00:25:34,740 Adam Curry: three home yeah, yeah. 465 00:25:36,570 --> 00:25:39,270 John C Dvorak: My six ug graduated from Cambridge. So I'm 466 00:25:39,270 --> 00:25:40,470 going in my scenario 467 00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:42,420 Adam Curry: let's let's listen to her again it will be quiet 468 00:25:42,450 --> 00:25:46,620 Unknown: primarily because the knowledge in terms of what is 469 00:25:46,620 --> 00:25:50,010 actually happening, how are the systems built, what's under the 470 00:25:50,010 --> 00:25:53,250 hood who can understand them is not going to come from 471 00:25:53,250 --> 00:25:55,260 government alone. Industry needs to 472 00:25:55,260 --> 00:25:58,770 be a part of this conversation. instead. Elon Musk is 473 00:25:58,770 --> 00:26:03,390 participating representatives of Google Amazon meta Microsoft are 474 00:26:03,390 --> 00:26:04,470 all attending this summit. 475 00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:07,170 Well, and that prompted me to ask you about the venue as I 476 00:26:07,170 --> 00:26:10,470 mentioned at the top they were all meeting in this new somewhat 477 00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:14,490 unlikely setting a bucolic English country. This is not 478 00:26:14,490 --> 00:26:17,850 just any English country estate though. Explain. It's gorgeous. 479 00:26:18,210 --> 00:26:22,350 Adam Curry: It's gorgeous, dark. Gorgeous. I tell you. It's 480 00:26:22,350 --> 00:26:24,930 bucolic. What is bucolic even mean? 481 00:26:25,260 --> 00:26:30,390 John C Dvorak: It means it means it's a it's a mind, kind of it's 482 00:26:30,420 --> 00:26:33,960 like a delicate, it's only different it's got more birds 483 00:26:35,940 --> 00:26:40,320 chirping, chirping and there's like deer there's like a lamb 484 00:26:40,350 --> 00:26:45,540 you know, in a very green field. Just a lamb, a lamb and maybe a 485 00:26:45,540 --> 00:26:46,260 Horse. 486 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,560 Adam Curry: Cow man wasn't no goats. 487 00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:53,610 John C Dvorak: No goats. Yet generally not in bucolic racket. 488 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,490 Adam Curry: Yeah, it is indeed the definition is idyllic 489 00:26:56,490 --> 00:27:01,680 rustic, a pleasant bucolic scene. Speak English lady 490 00:27:02,370 --> 00:27:08,190 John C Dvorak: bucolic. Okay. So I don't know where we ended 491 00:27:08,190 --> 00:27:09,600 there. But let's go to clip three. It's 492 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,570 Unknown: gorgeous. It's called Bletchley Park. It's crawling 493 00:27:12,570 --> 00:27:16,680 brick and stone manor house and it was once the top secret home 494 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,310 of World War Two codebreakers were some of the sort of best 495 00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:23,430 and brightest mathematicians, including one named Alan Turing 496 00:27:23,700 --> 00:27:28,020 cracked the Nazis enigma code and helped win the war. The 2014 497 00:27:28,020 --> 00:27:32,220 movie Imitation Game is there. And so Bletchley had a role in 498 00:27:32,220 --> 00:27:35,850 the birthplace of some of the earliest programmable computers. 499 00:27:36,060 --> 00:27:39,690 And the questions that Alan Turing asked at Bletchley 500 00:27:39,690 --> 00:27:43,410 literally 85 years ago, Can computers think can they imitate 501 00:27:43,410 --> 00:27:47,190 humans are being talked about again, in that very same venue? 502 00:27:47,220 --> 00:27:50,310 Adam Curry: Fascinating, fascinating. John is 503 00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:54,750 fascinating, thoughtful daily learning. Well, not everybody is 504 00:27:54,750 --> 00:28:00,600 on board with this. The in fact the, the co founder of Google 505 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:07,680 Brain, which, which merged I guess, with IBM's, Big Blue, 506 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,190 something he says, and this is in the Business Insider, big 507 00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:14,250 tech companies are inflating fears about the risks of AI 508 00:28:14,250 --> 00:28:18,810 wiping out humanity because they want to dominate the market of 509 00:28:19,410 --> 00:28:23,040 John C Dvorak: the right idea, of course, and what else is new 510 00:28:23,070 --> 00:28:26,460 Adam Curry: Andrew Yang, an adjunct professor at Stanford 511 00:28:26,460 --> 00:28:29,520 University, soon to be ex adjunct professor at Stanford 512 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:34,470 University, who tease out who taught open AI CEO Sam Altman, 513 00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:38,190 he taught the guy told the Australian Financial Review that 514 00:28:38,190 --> 00:28:41,580 the biggest tech companies hoped to trigger strict regulation 515 00:28:41,580 --> 00:28:45,810 with, quote, The Bad idea that AI could make us go extinct. 516 00:28:46,140 --> 00:28:49,260 They are definitely there are definitely large tech companies 517 00:28:49,260 --> 00:28:53,100 that would rather not have to try to compete with open source. 518 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,960 So they're creating fear of AI leading to human extinction. Now 519 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,700 remember, the lambda model was put out by meta in open source, 520 00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:07,740 and now I'm running AI in my own little raspberry pi here at home 521 00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:11,640 with the same models. Well, not the same, but you know, the same 522 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,630 deep chat GPT three models. I have that for sure. And probably 523 00:29:15,630 --> 00:29:19,110 a little bit above that. And I'm not and he's not the only one 524 00:29:19,140 --> 00:29:26,610 that says this is bullcrap. Here's what is her name. This is 525 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,120 Meredith Whitaker. She's the president of signal she was at a 526 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,530 Washington Post AI Summit. And here's what she had to say. But 527 00:29:34,530 --> 00:29:35,280 generative AI is 528 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,120 Unknown: not actually that useful. What happened in January 529 00:29:39,150 --> 00:29:42,690 was that technology or sort of a framework for building models 530 00:29:42,690 --> 00:29:47,100 that had been developed in 2017, was sort of put online with an 531 00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:49,680 interface by Microsoft slash open an AI who have to be 532 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,460 understood as the same entity. Right and the chat GPT interface 533 00:29:53,580 --> 00:29:57,270 kind of gave people a simulated experience of like, oh my god, 534 00:29:57,270 --> 00:30:00,270 I'm talking to kind of a human it's spitting out nones. sounds 535 00:30:00,270 --> 00:30:02,580 but it's spitting it out. And this feels kind of sentient, 536 00:30:02,580 --> 00:30:06,060 right? And on the backs of this advertisement 537 00:30:06,330 --> 00:30:09,570 Adam Curry: for their GPT. I like her a lot. But the right 538 00:30:09,570 --> 00:30:10,980 thing is rampant. Yeah, I would 539 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,460 Unknown: sell through their Azure cloud services. They sort 540 00:30:14,460 --> 00:30:18,960 of generated an entire new hype narrative around generative AI 541 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,630 as the sort of future facing technology that's going to 542 00:30:21,630 --> 00:30:24,360 change every industry. But what does it do? Right? It you know, 543 00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:27,840 present visual images that are often you know, stolen from 544 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,200 artists or like far too close for comfort. And it presents 545 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,830 plausible text write it in prose, what's the plausible 546 00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:38,820 response to a prompt, based on mountains of data from the 547 00:30:38,820 --> 00:30:41,700 internet, the red, it's the four chance, you know, the storm 548 00:30:41,700 --> 00:30:45,030 front is in there, as Natasha's work has shown, you know, and 549 00:30:45,030 --> 00:30:48,300 kind of presents text that looks plausible, but has no 550 00:30:48,300 --> 00:30:52,440 relationship to facts, has no relationship to reality? It has 551 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,620 no citations. Right? So what is this useful for? It's not useful 552 00:30:55,620 --> 00:30:58,650 in my serious context, yeah, you could replace a junior 553 00:30:58,650 --> 00:31:00,810 copywriter, but you better have a senior copywriter? Who's 554 00:31:00,810 --> 00:31:02,670 checking that text because it's gonna be janky. 555 00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:08,970 Adam Curry: I love the term janky that she's right, yes, my 556 00:31:08,970 --> 00:31:14,040 teeth used to be janky janky is a very valid term. So she's 557 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:20,850 completely right, I spent two days really trying to figure out 558 00:31:20,850 --> 00:31:23,250 what they were trying to do with this executive order. It is a 559 00:31:23,250 --> 00:31:28,620 monstrous Executive Order, when they have those behind closed 560 00:31:28,620 --> 00:31:31,950 doors meetings with Chuck Schumer, that I think every 561 00:31:31,950 --> 00:31:37,290 single tech CEO, or the smartest brains, and people in the 562 00:31:37,290 --> 00:31:41,490 universe had their lobbyists there to write this thing. And 563 00:31:41,670 --> 00:31:45,000 from what I can tell, they completely are writing me what 564 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,940 the what the Google Brain co founder guy says, we don't want 565 00:31:47,940 --> 00:31:51,300 anyone competing with us. That's exactly what I see. But I think 566 00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:55,740 it's even worse, because they have defined certain terms to be 567 00:31:55,740 --> 00:32:01,950 so broad, that you can pretty much say, if you start a social 568 00:32:01,950 --> 00:32:06,690 media network, and it is of x size, which would mean it would 569 00:32:06,690 --> 00:32:10,890 be competing with them. And they go right down to the number of 570 00:32:11,340 --> 00:32:15,060 machines, how many gigabits of bandwidth between these 571 00:32:15,090 --> 00:32:18,060 machines, what kind of computational power it would 572 00:32:18,060 --> 00:32:22,770 have, which kind of equals you know, Amazon, AWS services, 573 00:32:22,770 --> 00:32:26,850 Google Cloud as your all this stuff, then you would be deemed 574 00:32:26,850 --> 00:32:29,820 artificial intelligence and thus, would have to adhere to 575 00:32:29,820 --> 00:32:33,960 the regulation. These guys, they, they, they know that they 576 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,770 have nothing left, they got nothing in the pipeline, they 577 00:32:37,770 --> 00:32:42,510 have no advertising is on the downturn, it may come back up 578 00:32:42,510 --> 00:32:45,210 again. But it's not going to be what it was. They wanted to 579 00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:49,320 solidify their spot with this bullcrap, which cost just as 580 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,530 much as they might make offer. There's no advertising business 581 00:32:52,530 --> 00:32:57,630 model that we've seen yet. But yet, this is all we need all 582 00:32:57,630 --> 00:33:02,460 kinds of incredible money and and institutions and the 583 00:33:02,460 --> 00:33:06,570 government to be all over this, to protect the people from the 584 00:33:06,570 --> 00:33:08,940 horrible things that could go wrong could go wrong if you're 585 00:33:08,940 --> 00:33:15,330 as big as we are. So they've defined these terms. And, and 586 00:33:15,330 --> 00:33:18,540 the three that I think are most important are these artificial 587 00:33:18,540 --> 00:33:23,130 intelligence. So this is now a temporarily legal definition of 588 00:33:23,130 --> 00:33:26,520 what artificial intelligence is, because it's an executive order. 589 00:33:26,820 --> 00:33:29,850 Of course, the next president comes in can get rid of it, and 590 00:33:29,850 --> 00:33:34,200 I hope whoever it is, does. The term artificial intelligence or 591 00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:40,320 AI has the meaning set forth in 15. US Code nine four is 013. 592 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,130 I'll get to that in a moment. Kolon, a machine based system 593 00:33:44,130 --> 00:33:48,720 that can for a given set of human defined objectives, make 594 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,220 predictions, recommendations, or decisions influencing real or 595 00:33:53,220 --> 00:33:59,610 virtual environments? Well, bull crap, that's an algo. That's 596 00:33:59,610 --> 00:34:04,170 literally an algo. Artificial intelligence systems use machine 597 00:34:04,170 --> 00:34:10,440 and human based inputs, so it's not autonomous. To perceive real 598 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,740 and virtual environments abstract such perceptions into 599 00:34:13,740 --> 00:34:18,390 models through analysis in an automated manner, and use model 600 00:34:18,540 --> 00:34:23,280 inference to formulate options for information or action. What 601 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:31,020 does that sound like to you? But well, listen to this clip, and 602 00:34:31,020 --> 00:34:31,860 it's right in here. 603 00:34:31,889 --> 00:34:34,529 Unknown: It's heard that the first ever global summit on AI 604 00:34:34,529 --> 00:34:38,939 safety is taking place, bringing together top officials from 28 605 00:34:38,939 --> 00:34:43,079 countries with executives from cutting edge tech firms, Prime 606 00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:46,829 Minister Rishi Sunak, hoping to position the UK as a leader in 607 00:34:46,829 --> 00:34:48,389 the rapidly developing field. 608 00:34:48,419 --> 00:34:52,919 Why not? There can be no serious strategy for AI without at least 609 00:34:52,919 --> 00:34:56,789 trying to engage all of the world's leading AI powers. 610 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,260 Sooner is pushing for global AI regular nation advisory board 611 00:35:01,650 --> 00:35:03,990 based on the UN's intergovernmental panel on 612 00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:06,300 climate change or other 613 00:35:06,930 --> 00:35:08,280 Adam Curry: they want it they want to 614 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,230 John C Dvorak: regulate it with the UN body 615 00:35:10,260 --> 00:35:13,920 Adam Curry: yeah and like climate change IPCC which is a 616 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:19,290 bow Nan's of money, government money, this is what they want. 617 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:25,800 Yes, more meetings all around the world. Cup. 29 is on deck. 618 00:35:25,830 --> 00:35:31,800 Oh, man, they want to have fun, fun, fun. And they want thinking 619 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:36,150 club. Yes. But a very profitable drinking club. Look. Oh, yeah, 620 00:35:36,180 --> 00:35:38,310 John C Dvorak: look at how we've been why just drink when you can 621 00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:39,810 make money while you're drinking. Look 622 00:35:39,810 --> 00:35:42,360 Adam Curry: at how we've been frightened into believing 623 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,740 climate change is all it's the same terminology we can, we can 624 00:35:46,740 --> 00:35:49,590 just guess exactly what they're going to say and exactly what 625 00:35:49,590 --> 00:35:53,820 they're going to do. So I thought it would be fun to put 626 00:35:53,820 --> 00:35:59,940 this definition through my own AI running here at home and ask 627 00:35:59,940 --> 00:36:04,380 what it thought of it? Well, the AI which is probably equivalent 628 00:36:04,380 --> 00:36:10,500 to GPT 3.5 says, This definition is quite broad. But it also 629 00:36:10,500 --> 00:36:13,290 captures a wide range of technologies under its umbrella 630 00:36:13,290 --> 00:36:16,800 term artificial intelligence, for example, natural language 631 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,640 processing system use AI technologies to analyze textual 632 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,490 inputs from humans in order to make predictions. There's your 633 00:36:23,490 --> 00:36:27,390 Siri, no more Siri not on scale, not at our scale, then you have 634 00:36:27,390 --> 00:36:30,420 to go through regulations. Similarly, machine learning 635 00:36:30,420 --> 00:36:32,910 algorithms can be used for predictive modeling and decision 636 00:36:32,910 --> 00:36:35,760 making tasks and involve data analysis of real world events, 637 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,840 such as weather patterns, or stock market trends. They want 638 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:44,160 to corner the market. And they will with the stupid 639 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,600 administration. Whoa, we'll wrap up. The next definition, the 640 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:53,700 term AI model, according to the executive order, AI model means 641 00:36:53,700 --> 00:36:57,180 a component of an information system that implements AI 642 00:36:57,180 --> 00:37:01,410 technology, and uses computational statistical or 643 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,680 machine learning techniques to produce outputs from a given set 644 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:11,730 of inputs. This is the basis of of computing. I'm asking you, is 645 00:37:11,730 --> 00:37:15,570 this yes, this is this is insane what these people are talking 646 00:37:15,570 --> 00:37:16,050 about? 647 00:37:16,590 --> 00:37:21,150 John C Dvorak: Well, it is this, I saw I looked over that thing. 648 00:37:21,180 --> 00:37:25,890 And I thought there was one owner moment in the whole 649 00:37:25,890 --> 00:37:30,120 document that I was picked me up Sure. What was that anybody 650 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:35,790 involved any of this even, even in at the lowest level, it says 651 00:37:35,790 --> 00:37:41,400 in that document, that all red team results? Yes, path to be 652 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,400 turned over to the government. Now for people out there who 653 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,280 want to know what that means that there's, there's things 654 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,490 called penetration testing, where you do check to see how 655 00:37:50,910 --> 00:37:54,210 strong your systems are. And then there's a thing, which I 656 00:37:54,210 --> 00:37:57,030 don't know why they ended this, but it's called Red team. And 657 00:37:57,030 --> 00:38:00,870 red team goes beyond penetration testing a COBOL, I think gets 658 00:38:00,870 --> 00:38:04,170 involved in this is what he does, because he gets hired. And 659 00:38:04,170 --> 00:38:08,430 he has to literally in some instances break into a company. 660 00:38:08,670 --> 00:38:12,360 Yeah, you know, illegally, but it's legal, but it's illegal at 661 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,930 the same time, break into the company, and then go and fish 662 00:38:15,930 --> 00:38:19,200 around in their systems, you have to turn those rules, those 663 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:27,480 results of any red team analysis are so they're so proprietary 664 00:38:27,780 --> 00:38:31,140 and dangerous, that you're giving the government the 665 00:38:31,140 --> 00:38:35,670 backdoor to your entire system, if you do that. And they're now 666 00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:39,480 requiring it by this executive order. I found that to be just 667 00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:44,550 overlooked by everybody and extremely onerous. They should 668 00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:48,810 be sued for it. This, this executive order is no good. 669 00:38:49,140 --> 00:38:52,110 Adam Curry: Oh, no, it's completely written by lobbyists, 670 00:38:52,860 --> 00:39:00,510 and donors and lobbyists. I love the term generative AI, which is 671 00:39:00,510 --> 00:39:03,210 a class of AI models that emulate the structure and 672 00:39:03,210 --> 00:39:07,410 characteristics of input data in order to generate derived 673 00:39:07,410 --> 00:39:11,130 synthetic content. This can include images, videos, audio 674 00:39:11,130 --> 00:39:14,250 texts, and other digital content. And then they go into 675 00:39:14,250 --> 00:39:22,230 this whole this whole section about who who has to give the 676 00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:25,440 red team results to the government, and is basically 677 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:30,120 anybody who's trying to compete with them. Literally, they talk 678 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:35,370 about if you have so many integer calculations per second, 679 00:39:35,370 --> 00:39:40,860 so many billions of billions of rows in your model. I mean, it's 680 00:39:40,890 --> 00:39:42,330 unbelievable. 681 00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:44,400 John C Dvorak: Well, you're right. This is a scam 682 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:49,290 perpetrated by Mehta and Google Yes. And who and maybe, I don't 683 00:39:49,290 --> 00:39:52,740 know, Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft, right, Microsoft 684 00:39:52,740 --> 00:39:54,690 Mehta and Google the big three. It's like 685 00:39:54,690 --> 00:39:56,850 Adam Curry: the digital Patriot Act. This thing is, it's like, 686 00:39:57,090 --> 00:40:00,930 give it all to us. We control you now. Yeah, and then of 687 00:40:00,930 --> 00:40:05,190 course to get the public on board. Well, let's roll out some 688 00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:07,470 fun human interest stories shall wait 689 00:40:07,530 --> 00:40:12,210 Unknown: 53 years after splitting up their back. It's a 690 00:40:12,210 --> 00:40:15,420 reunion few could have imagined since only two are still alive. 691 00:40:15,660 --> 00:40:18,480 But the Beatles are releasing a new single featuring all four 692 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,940 band members thanks to artificial intelligence. 693 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,150 It's the last song that my dad and Paul and George and Ringo 694 00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:26,760 will get to make together now and 695 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,200 then was written and sung by John Lennon in the late 1970s 24 696 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,250 years later, his widow Yoko Ono, gave the demo to Paul McCartney, 697 00:40:35,490 --> 00:40:38,430 but back then it was impossible to separate Lennon's vocals and 698 00:40:38,430 --> 00:40:42,690 piano to work alongside new recorded parts. Last year AI 699 00:40:42,690 --> 00:40:43,710 made that possible. 700 00:40:43,980 --> 00:40:47,370 Paul called me up and said we'd like to work on now and then he 701 00:40:47,370 --> 00:40:49,740 put the bass on I put the drums on 702 00:40:51,300 --> 00:40:54,450 in the city of Liverpool where it all began. Fans are eager to 703 00:40:54,450 --> 00:40:55,410 hear the results. 704 00:40:55,470 --> 00:40:58,020 I can't wait to hear the song. I hope it's done tastefully, I 705 00:40:58,020 --> 00:40:59,970 hope it is bringing them up with something about the half 706 00:40:59,970 --> 00:41:03,240 traitors together collaboratively collaboratively 707 00:41:03,900 --> 00:41:05,550 and the technology just makes it happen. 708 00:41:05,850 --> 00:41:08,370 It was in this room that The Beatles performed for the very 709 00:41:08,370 --> 00:41:12,510 first time the venue and the city itself attracts fans from 710 00:41:12,510 --> 00:41:15,690 around the world but wait the physical release of now and then 711 00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:18,960 also comes ahead of new editions of The Beatles red album and 712 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,950 blue album under to cover that entire singles discography 713 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,550 Adam Curry: so they so this is now artificial intelligence 714 00:41:26,580 --> 00:41:28,380 where audio guys 715 00:41:28,380 --> 00:41:31,740 John C Dvorak: have been able to do this you thank you for 716 00:41:32,130 --> 00:41:33,240 decades 717 00:41:33,630 --> 00:41:39,150 Adam Curry: Thank you. And even on demos Sir George Martin was 718 00:41:39,150 --> 00:41:42,900 well known he was one of the first guys that did multi tracks 719 00:41:42,930 --> 00:41:47,070 multi tracks or as we call it today stems and even that you 720 00:41:47,070 --> 00:41:50,640 can go online there's opens I'll tell you which is there's an 721 00:41:50,670 --> 00:41:58,470 open source value for value even based system called well there 722 00:41:58,470 --> 00:42:02,910 it is vocal remover.org and you can throw in any song you want 723 00:42:02,910 --> 00:42:08,040 you can remove the music or remove the vocals which I is 724 00:42:08,250 --> 00:42:11,310 because this and this is what they want to stop the fact that 725 00:42:11,310 --> 00:42:15,000 some dude open source can you can do that you little little 726 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,540 puny man vocal remover.org You can take your little donations 727 00:42:18,540 --> 00:42:21,360 for that but don't you try to compete with us because then 728 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,530 you'll have to read Jamie results that's what this it's 729 00:42:25,530 --> 00:42:29,790 disgusting. This should be them so much a challenge this we need 730 00:42:29,790 --> 00:42:32,280 to challenge this with the Fredericksburg declaration. 731 00:42:34,650 --> 00:42:36,660 John C Dvorak: I think the Fredericksburg declaration 732 00:42:36,660 --> 00:42:40,860 should should we can do more than one of these. Oh yeah. So 733 00:42:40,860 --> 00:42:44,580 let's make this one specifically about that executive order. 734 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:45,150 Okay, 735 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,300 Adam Curry: I like it. I like the idea. We need to do 736 00:42:48,300 --> 00:42:55,710 something I mean we need to take stand where it takes them 737 00:42:56,190 --> 00:42:59,310 John C Dvorak: you me? Why do what 738 00:42:59,340 --> 00:43:07,830 Adam Curry: now I'm moving on. Did you see the Ark conference 739 00:43:07,830 --> 00:43:13,110 this weekend that was taking place in in the O two Arena in 740 00:43:13,140 --> 00:43:14,130 England in London. 741 00:43:15,570 --> 00:43:18,360 John C Dvorak: Do you know I honestly I know nothing about 742 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,590 the art conference in the ote in the oh two arena. Oh, this is a 743 00:43:22,590 --> 00:43:23,550 nice arena. 744 00:43:23,820 --> 00:43:26,070 Adam Curry: Well, it's not in the it wasn't in the arena 745 00:43:26,070 --> 00:43:30,240 itself. But it was one of the one of the room nearby little 746 00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:34,500 room nearby. But it sounds good at the oh two. This is the 747 00:43:34,530 --> 00:43:39,000 Alliance for responsible citizenship. This is Jordan 748 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:46,530 Peterson's anti World Economic Forum thing. You haven't 749 00:43:46,530 --> 00:43:47,490 followed this at all. 750 00:43:47,970 --> 00:43:49,830 John C Dvorak: I have not followed this at all. I've not 751 00:43:49,830 --> 00:43:52,650 followed much of what Peterson has been up to because ever 752 00:43:52,650 --> 00:43:55,320 since he became his angry man. 753 00:43:55,620 --> 00:43:57,060 Adam Curry: Yeah. So So 754 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,230 John C Dvorak: ever since he got off drugs, almost killed himself 755 00:44:01,230 --> 00:44:02,130 getting off drugs. 756 00:44:02,730 --> 00:44:06,300 Adam Curry: She got really, really boring after he got off 757 00:44:06,300 --> 00:44:12,600 the drugs. So this is it's very it's a bit polarizing because of 758 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:17,910 the people involved. So it really was spearheaded by him. 759 00:44:18,270 --> 00:44:24,510 And what is the she Baron Ness? Philippa something or other 760 00:44:24,510 --> 00:44:29,790 bareness, Philippa. And they've they've pretty much gathered a 761 00:44:29,790 --> 00:44:33,330 whole lot of alternative media people 762 00:44:34,770 --> 00:44:36,930 John C Dvorak: Bori invited No, no. 763 00:44:37,110 --> 00:44:40,650 Adam Curry: Philippa Stroud. They bareness Philippa Stroud, 764 00:44:40,650 --> 00:44:44,370 who is the co founder and CEO of aarC, member of the House of 765 00:44:44,370 --> 00:44:50,340 Lords, chair of the social metrics commission. And it's 766 00:44:50,340 --> 00:44:53,940 interesting because they have a lot it, it sounds really good on 767 00:44:53,940 --> 00:44:58,980 paper. And, you know, it's like, let me let me just give you 768 00:44:58,980 --> 00:45:02,580 they're actually ahead Have their pitch, but about Ark the 769 00:45:02,580 --> 00:45:05,370 Alliance for responsible citizenship as an international 770 00:45:05,370 --> 00:45:08,550 community with a vision for a better world where every citizen 771 00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:11,070 can prosper, contribute and flourish. 772 00:45:12,030 --> 00:45:14,010 John C Dvorak: And Karl Marx say something similar 773 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:18,510 Adam Curry: you know, I am by people look at that and then 774 00:45:18,510 --> 00:45:22,830 they had live stream all weekend there's videos this is the most 775 00:45:22,830 --> 00:45:27,060 important speech you ever heard. You know they had Ayaan Hirsi 776 00:45:27,060 --> 00:45:30,540 Ali on a panel. Peterson led the whole thing. He had the most 777 00:45:30,570 --> 00:45:34,020 heinous jacket on where half was red, how 778 00:45:34,290 --> 00:45:36,810 John C Dvorak: blue wearing this Half and Half Jacket? It's 779 00:45:36,810 --> 00:45:40,560 hideous is yeah, you've seen it a couple of times. And it's 780 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:41,460 like, no, 781 00:45:41,460 --> 00:45:43,980 Adam Curry: it's just Why are you wearing this? No, it's just 782 00:45:43,980 --> 00:45:46,770 no. Do you want to hear a little bit of their promo reel? 783 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:52,110 John C Dvorak: Yeah, go yes, I do. Okay, we actually, what, I'm 784 00:45:52,110 --> 00:45:54,210 sorry, I'm sorry. I'm still saying no to the jacket. 785 00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:58,110 Adam Curry: The jacket is a hard pass. Just no to the jacket. 786 00:45:58,230 --> 00:46:01,950 Unknown: We asked the Alliance for responsible citizenship. Do 787 00:46:01,950 --> 00:46:05,220 you not believe that humanity is necessarily and inevitably 788 00:46:05,220 --> 00:46:09,180 teetering on the brink of apocalyptic disasters, we do not 789 00:46:09,180 --> 00:46:12,990 believe that we are beings primarily motivated by lust for 790 00:46:12,990 --> 00:46:17,280 power and the desire to dominate. We do not regard 791 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:22,650 ourselves or our fellow citizens as destructive forces living in 792 00:46:22,650 --> 00:46:26,610 an alien relationship to the pristine and pure natural 793 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,910 Adam Curry: and something. World. 794 00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:33,180 Unknown: If you look out into the world at the moment, there 795 00:46:33,180 --> 00:46:35,940 are a series of narratives out there the stories that we're 796 00:46:35,940 --> 00:46:38,580 telling ourselves that are actually determining a lot of 797 00:46:38,580 --> 00:46:41,850 our global behavior. If you've got children, you're exposed to 798 00:46:41,850 --> 00:46:45,300 some of us in a really visceral way, and you see your children 799 00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:49,140 coming home fearful about the future. This is sort of 800 00:46:49,140 --> 00:46:54,240 cataclysmic belief that the future is dangerous. And somehow 801 00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:55,620 we are to blame. 802 00:46:55,950 --> 00:46:59,610 There is an epidemic mental health crisis worldwide, in 803 00:46:59,610 --> 00:47:03,090 great part due to the breakdown of the social fabric and 804 00:47:03,090 --> 00:47:07,950 confusion over values for economic prosperity, work and 805 00:47:07,950 --> 00:47:10,830 materialism is prioritized over family. 806 00:47:10,980 --> 00:47:15,030 And so the despair that we see around us, right the breakdown 807 00:47:15,090 --> 00:47:21,510 of of all these social connections is related to a 808 00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:25,290 vision of the human being, which sees that the person is just the 809 00:47:25,290 --> 00:47:29,910 consumer, promoting that reducing humans to consumers or 810 00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:34,260 criticizing it and criticizing humans for being parasites on 811 00:47:34,260 --> 00:47:34,860 the world. 812 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,460 Adam Curry: Okay, so that's kind of the the the issue part of 813 00:47:38,460 --> 00:47:44,190 this promo reel. I am not a fan of music, like this big, 814 00:47:44,190 --> 00:47:44,790 bombastic, 815 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,860 John C Dvorak: lower key music played in a while kind of sad. 816 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,330 No, it's just to get it to elicit an emotional response to 817 00:47:54,330 --> 00:47:55,950 the words being said, and why 818 00:47:56,310 --> 00:47:58,050 Adam Curry: would you do shit? And what would you do in the 819 00:47:58,050 --> 00:47:59,370 next piece with the music? 820 00:48:00,540 --> 00:48:02,850 John C Dvorak: Well, if I was playing that at the beginning, 821 00:48:02,850 --> 00:48:05,550 which is the bad side, I would play the uptempo stuff to say 822 00:48:05,550 --> 00:48:06,900 how much what you're going to do. 823 00:48:06,990 --> 00:48:11,430 Unknown: But what is a best story? What is the better story 824 00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:16,740 that we can we can tell, that will enable us to walk forward 825 00:48:16,770 --> 00:48:20,340 the way we need to walk forward as societies and nations, 826 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,500 because we're really going to be the fixed the 827 00:48:22,770 --> 00:48:23,760 Adam Curry: bringing the violence, 828 00:48:23,790 --> 00:48:28,380 Unknown: to bring a more optimistic vision and to believe 829 00:48:28,410 --> 00:48:32,160 in ourselves in our civilization, in the things that 830 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,170 made it such an extraordinary 831 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:34,980 civilization, 832 00:48:35,009 --> 00:48:39,089 we need to formulate a different vision. And I think that we have 833 00:48:39,389 --> 00:48:44,129 in our traditions we have in our great theological movements of 834 00:48:44,129 --> 00:48:48,629 the West in the past few 1000 years, we have the possibility 835 00:48:48,629 --> 00:48:53,279 of formulating a different vision of humans, humans that 836 00:48:53,669 --> 00:48:58,439 exist in love with each other, that are submitted to the 837 00:48:58,439 --> 00:49:02,099 transcendent good, and that can work together towards a better 838 00:49:02,099 --> 00:49:02,609 future. 839 00:49:02,670 --> 00:49:07,230 The rejection of our traditional beliefs have not produced viable 840 00:49:07,230 --> 00:49:11,160 alternative narratives only deconstructionist theories, we 841 00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,880 must reinvigorate our sense of citizenship, we must encourage 842 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:19,110 one another to serve to step up to lead with courage wherever 843 00:49:19,110 --> 00:49:22,350 leadership is needed. The AFF network that I'm a part of will 844 00:49:22,350 --> 00:49:24,660 seek to address these goals and more 845 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,960 if we get this right if we can give people confidence again, 846 00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,900 now identity is people and communities and nations they 847 00:49:30,900 --> 00:49:33,600 will start to reverse some of the more negative trends that 848 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,910 have accompanied the more positive ones so hopefully can 849 00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:37,290 have a very long lasting impact. 850 00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,720 Adam Curry: Right now. I'm very hopeful that music got me all 851 00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:42,120 hopeful. I'm up. How about you? Are you up? Are you feeling up? 852 00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:43,470 John C Dvorak: God? No. 853 00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,570 Adam Curry: There's also a lot of religious imagery, iconic 854 00:49:48,780 --> 00:49:51,810 type things. You can hear there's an undertone of that, 855 00:49:52,110 --> 00:49:54,330 although they never specifically address it. And here's the 856 00:49:54,330 --> 00:49:57,480 payoff. This is the last beats a little shorter of the promo 857 00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,250 reel. This is I guess what they're gonna do, they're gonna 858 00:49:59,250 --> 00:50:03,180 tell us now I mean, this is horrible that we have a mental 859 00:50:03,180 --> 00:50:07,020 health crisis not because of all our children are on SSRIs. But 860 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,430 we're and it. Obviously, telling people about climate change is 861 00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:13,920 frightening and it frightens the kids and we're all going to die 862 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:18,210 and but we need to step up, step up as citizens. And what is art 863 00:50:18,210 --> 00:50:20,250 going to do for us is 864 00:50:20,310 --> 00:50:24,720 Unknown: emerging already, as a wonderful community of people 865 00:50:24,750 --> 00:50:29,160 who are just full of hope for the way forward and want to 866 00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,700 bring in a different culture and a different vision for where we 867 00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:33,690 can go as a people, 868 00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:37,680 I believe in great minds meeting and looking together for 869 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,700 solutions. You cannot overestimate the impact of an 870 00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:42,240 idea. 871 00:50:42,510 --> 00:50:48,030 There is a great narrative that we can all chime in on. So the 872 00:50:48,030 --> 00:50:51,420 things that we all want together, which is human 873 00:50:51,630 --> 00:50:56,970 flourishing, human prosperity, human wellbeing, all mods to 874 00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,500 hope. We posit that men and women have faith and 875 00:51:01,500 --> 00:51:06,360 decisiveness in the image of God can arrange their affairs with 876 00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,990 care and attention. So that abundance and opportunity could 877 00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:14,100 be available for all we hope to encourage the development of an 878 00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:19,740 alternative pathway uphill, out of both tyranny and the desert, 879 00:51:20,010 --> 00:51:24,720 stabilizing, unifying and compelling to men and women of 880 00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:30,030 sound judgment and free will welcome aboard the ark. 881 00:51:31,350 --> 00:51:35,670 John C Dvorak: Roma My God, you know, Peterson is going to be so 882 00:51:36,030 --> 00:51:38,790 when he comes to his senses is going to be so embarrassed by 883 00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:43,860 this utopian bullcrap that he's part of that is, he's going to 884 00:51:43,860 --> 00:51:46,560 be have to go on an apology tour. I mean, he's that is the 885 00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:47,850 worst thing I've ever heard. 886 00:51:47,850 --> 00:51:51,180 Adam Curry: He is he so there's these shots of him standing over 887 00:51:51,180 --> 00:51:54,480 a huge canyon, and there's a drone shot and he's standing 888 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,290 there almost like Moses. I mean, Peterson may be the Antichrist 889 00:51:58,290 --> 00:52:02,070 for all we know. But I did a little bit of research. And I 890 00:52:02,070 --> 00:52:06,060 say that only in biblical context. Because this is 891 00:52:06,090 --> 00:52:10,140 something really, really irks me about what's going on here. But 892 00:52:10,170 --> 00:52:13,230 now looking because this is a massive conference. There's 893 00:52:13,230 --> 00:52:17,910 money behind this. So first, a little bit yeah, who Yeah, okay, 894 00:52:17,910 --> 00:52:21,810 I found out for us. So the Alliance for responsible 895 00:52:21,810 --> 00:52:25,560 citizenship was launched by Peterson includes what we call 896 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:29,250 public intellectuals, Arthur Brooks, Niall Ferguson, Bjorn 897 00:52:29,250 --> 00:52:30,060 Lumbergh. 898 00:52:30,900 --> 00:52:33,030 John C Dvorak: The old public intellectual, a term which is 899 00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:38,340 fairly recent, by the way and more or less created by guys 900 00:52:38,340 --> 00:52:39,210 like Peterson 901 00:52:39,540 --> 00:52:43,200 Adam Curry: Yes. Like the the intellectual, dark web. When I 902 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,590 John C Dvorak: was a kid, Oh, yeah. When I was a kid, here we 903 00:52:46,590 --> 00:52:50,370 go. There was no such thing as I'd never heard the term public 904 00:52:50,370 --> 00:52:55,050 intellectual until about a decade ago. Well, in fact, I 905 00:52:55,050 --> 00:52:58,530 should check it out in a Google ngram. And I'm sure public 906 00:52:58,530 --> 00:53:00,960 intellectual is a fairly new creation. I'll do that while 907 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:01,500 you're talking. 908 00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:06,600 Adam Curry: So this is the group behind this is the legato group, 909 00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:12,960 the Lukla Gadem Institute leg a Tum, okay. And the LE Gadem 910 00:53:13,230 --> 00:53:18,240 Institute was described by the Financial Times as the 911 00:53:18,270 --> 00:53:23,520 intellectual heart of Brexit. So this is where all this is coming 912 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:28,800 from. Okay. And they also are connected to GB news, which 913 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:33,150 makes total sense. So, you know, we've got old GB news, you know, 914 00:53:33,150 --> 00:53:38,310 that's the thing that Mark Stein was on and they have fun, fun 915 00:53:38,310 --> 00:53:43,290 stories is definitely a counter narrative in the UK, but so on 916 00:53:43,290 --> 00:53:47,130 to so far. It mean, this feels like Russell Brand. This feels. 917 00:53:47,370 --> 00:53:50,850 I mean, it feels like all of these kinds of people. And if 918 00:53:50,850 --> 00:53:56,190 you look at the Advisory Board, let me see if I can find some 919 00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:01,590 interesting people here. So Arthur C. Brooks, he's at 920 00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,130 William Henry Bloomberg professor. We've got Barry 921 00:54:05,130 --> 00:54:09,630 Strauss, military historian on Ancient Greece, Bjorn Lumbergh, 922 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:15,120 where the Copenhagen Consensus Think Tank, we've got Oh, Dan 923 00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:20,310 Crenshaw, eyepatch McCain, he's in there. Who else James or 924 00:54:20,310 --> 00:54:23,640 associate professor of philosophy of religion. We've 925 00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:27,330 got Oh, would you look at that? We've got Mike Johnson, a new 926 00:54:27,330 --> 00:54:29,640 speaker of the house. He's a member of it. Michael 927 00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,510 Shellenberger of course part of the Westminster declaration. 928 00:54:33,630 --> 00:54:39,000 Mike Lee, Senator Mike Lee from Utah, this new spoke. This, so 929 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:44,130 Niall Ferguson. Philippa Stroud. I mean, this just it's it is 930 00:54:44,250 --> 00:54:50,580 into Tony Abbott Victor Davis Hanson Bovec Ramaswamy. Oh, and 931 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,150 Winston Marshall, a Grammy Award winning musician. It's just like 932 00:54:54,300 --> 00:54:57,120 a missing yo, yo, Ma. That's the only one they didn't get in 933 00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:57,270 there. 934 00:54:57,720 --> 00:55:00,660 John C Dvorak: Dig deep enough. Let me stop you With this thing, 935 00:55:00,690 --> 00:55:04,860 my comment, which was I've got to Engram up for public 936 00:55:04,860 --> 00:55:09,960 intellectual. The term never existed before 1985 and has 937 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:16,710 grown just kind of exponentially and peaked in 2003. And now is 938 00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:20,520 leveled off at a very high rate, interest. So it's some new 939 00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:24,510 thing. So as we start seeing these new terms introduced all 940 00:55:24,510 --> 00:55:28,230 of a sudden, and people are in the group sub suddenly had never 941 00:55:28,770 --> 00:55:33,930 existed before. I would say that something's up with that. 942 00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:37,740 Adam Curry: So the Gadem Institute is funded by the 943 00:55:37,740 --> 00:55:43,050 legato legato group, which includes an investment firm 944 00:55:43,050 --> 00:55:48,900 Legato Capital run out of the United Arab Emirates, well, a 945 00:55:48,900 --> 00:55:53,430 UAE operation Yes. And they fund things like the the freedom 946 00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:56,010 fund, the Ebola crisis fund, 947 00:55:56,700 --> 00:55:59,460 John C Dvorak: they got tons of money they also a they have a 948 00:55:59,460 --> 00:56:02,100 lot of money. There's a money grab by these public 949 00:56:02,100 --> 00:56:04,200 intellectuals. Okay, well, good for them. They 950 00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,890 Adam Curry: also have a stance on climate change. The 951 00:56:08,190 --> 00:56:11,400 population growth, not capitalism is the biggest cause 952 00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,610 of climate change. The best way to save the planet is to give 953 00:56:14,610 --> 00:56:19,590 women more control over their own fertility. So there's all 954 00:56:19,590 --> 00:56:23,400 kinds of things here that I just don't like. That's funny. Traum 955 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:27,120 says Korea sounds jealous, believe me. I'm not jealous if 956 00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:30,330 this is also what I don't know. But I think we're looking at 957 00:56:30,330 --> 00:56:30,840 something we 958 00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,260 John C Dvorak: haven't latched on to one of these money, see 959 00:56:34,260 --> 00:56:34,890 holes. 960 00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:38,280 Adam Curry: I think that there's false idols here that we need to 961 00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:42,990 be Be careful of. And I was totally irked when I saw Eva 962 00:56:42,990 --> 00:56:46,710 flirting a Brook? Who is the, you know, the cute Dutch blonde 963 00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:51,420 who rose to fame through Tucker Carlson? When, during the Dutch 964 00:56:51,420 --> 00:56:53,130 farmer protests. 965 00:56:55,170 --> 00:56:57,960 John C Dvorak: That group? Yeah, yeah, the only one and you I 966 00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,850 think we're the only one to debunk it. 967 00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:01,710 Adam Curry: Well, I'm not she's not a member of that group. But 968 00:57:01,740 --> 00:57:04,680 but she had, she's actually engaged getting married to Matt 969 00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:12,840 wit, who's part of the Prager, you. So you know, she's Prager, 970 00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:17,220 you. So this is the group, you know, and, and they interviewed 971 00:57:17,220 --> 00:57:21,840 her and I was, actually I'm kind of happy because what she said 972 00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:27,780 here, mirrors. I think my initial thinking about you know, 973 00:57:27,780 --> 00:57:32,220 so what is this group really doing? I totally understand that 974 00:57:32,220 --> 00:57:37,770 got her on board. Ben Peterson is a is a very, you know, he's a 975 00:57:37,770 --> 00:57:42,750 very convincing guy. I can see where people are just get all on 976 00:57:42,750 --> 00:57:47,250 board with him. But even, you know, ever since the drugs mean, 977 00:57:47,250 --> 00:57:54,840 he uses a lot of words. There's no joking anymore. There's no 978 00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:59,520 fun. It's all just anyway, but I wanted to play this, this, this 979 00:57:59,550 --> 00:58:02,910 little piece by her. Because I think this is exactly what this 980 00:58:02,910 --> 00:58:07,710 group is. Because in the watching for two days, I saw no, 981 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:12,360 absolutely zero ideas or solutions, or here's what we're 982 00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,420 going to do other than we're the public intellectuals, we 983 00:58:15,420 --> 00:58:18,630 recognize a problem. We can't do a podcast 984 00:58:19,050 --> 00:58:21,780 Unknown: here. Obviously, when when Jordan Peterson announced 985 00:58:21,780 --> 00:58:25,560 that he was starting a counter movement, basically to the World 986 00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:29,100 Economic Forum immediately sparked my interest. Because 987 00:58:29,220 --> 00:58:31,980 although I'm not a fan, necessarily of centralized 988 00:58:31,980 --> 00:58:35,790 organizations, the essence of this is not that it's actually 989 00:58:35,790 --> 00:58:39,060 to bring together people who look at power in a more 990 00:58:39,060 --> 00:58:42,690 decentralized more nationalist way, bring them together to 991 00:58:42,690 --> 00:58:46,560 fight again, a global agenda, right? So it's, it's in essence, 992 00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:50,100 the opposite idea of the World Economic Forum, even though we 993 00:58:50,100 --> 00:58:54,000 do have to conspire together you know, in order to exchange 994 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:59,310 ideas, and I really like that for because of the fact that 995 00:58:59,310 --> 00:59:01,860 it's active, you know, we're doing something and there's a 996 00:59:01,860 --> 00:59:05,370 lot of talk on the conservative side. But this is something 997 00:59:05,460 --> 00:59:09,000 where people can actually join and exchange ideas and take 998 00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:14,220 action and hopefully, spread the word beyond social media. So I 999 00:59:14,220 --> 00:59:17,250 really like it for that reason, that focus obviously on 1000 00:59:17,250 --> 00:59:23,310 responsible citizenship is a very different idea than what 1001 00:59:23,310 --> 00:59:28,230 the World Economic Forum predicates, they, for them, all 1002 00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:31,290 of the political ideology that they're based on everything left 1003 00:59:31,290 --> 00:59:33,900 wing anyway, anything Neo Marxist is always it's always 1004 00:59:33,900 --> 00:59:36,600 outside of yourself, right? It's always the system that is 1005 00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:42,240 oppressive. It's racism or the patriarchy or anything climate, 1006 00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,670 you know, it's always anything that is outside of your own 1007 00:59:44,670 --> 00:59:48,240 control. And I think what Peterson OpenWhisk today saying 1008 00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,880 no, you you have agency over your own life, and that's where 1009 00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:54,000 you need to get started is a really good message and one that 1010 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,450 we desperately need. So I'm curious to see how this will 1011 00:59:57,450 --> 01:00:01,290 develop and what will come from you No a meeting like this, 1012 01:00:01,530 --> 01:00:05,010 because it can't just be talking. We need to be wary of 1013 01:00:05,010 --> 01:00:06,720 that. But I really really liked the idea. 1014 01:00:07,380 --> 01:00:09,360 Adam Curry: Yeah, it's just talking. 1015 01:00:10,410 --> 01:00:12,720 John C Dvorak: You know, the other thing is she kind of 1016 01:00:13,050 --> 01:00:17,370 commented This is the counter to the World Economic Forum kind of 1017 01:00:17,370 --> 01:00:20,760 belies the fact that the World Economic Forum has, until 1018 01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:25,920 recently, really brought together prime ministers, CEOs 1019 01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:31,440 of major corporations and influence. Public intelligible 1020 01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:35,670 state secretaries of finance, World Bank guys, it was like 1021 01:00:35,700 --> 01:00:38,940 done for a week. It was an economic forum. It's only 1022 01:00:38,940 --> 01:00:42,840 recently that has become this screwy thing. And that's not 1023 01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:46,350 what these guys did a bunch of public quote unquote, public 1024 01:00:46,350 --> 01:00:51,420 intellectuals who could, who in my opinion, are just blowhards 1025 01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:57,510 that like to talk and they read my cogs in many instances. And 1026 01:00:57,510 --> 01:01:01,110 it's it's point and what's the point of it? What's it supposed 1027 01:01:01,110 --> 01:01:05,490 to do? Oh, we take control of our own lives. Yeah. And the 1028 01:01:05,490 --> 01:01:09,480 World Economic Forum's against it that this is not the way 1029 01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,690 things are really structured. The World Economic Forum and all 1030 01:01:12,690 --> 01:01:17,580 these things we talked about are largely a joke. So this is a 1031 01:01:17,580 --> 01:01:18,510 counter joke. 1032 01:01:20,190 --> 01:01:23,700 Adam Curry: Well, because I was talking to Tina about it she 1033 01:01:23,700 --> 01:01:26,550 just well, you know, it is at least it's not you know, they're 1034 01:01:26,550 --> 01:01:28,530 against the World Economic Forum. But yeah, but what are 1035 01:01:28,530 --> 01:01:33,810 they really saying? It's like, you know, that kind of half 1036 01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,830 there's a half Catholic Christian vibe to it, which is 1037 01:01:37,830 --> 01:01:43,050 not really spoken of. But But then it's like you know, be the 1038 01:01:43,050 --> 01:01:47,730 individual be you know, either all in on that or not be the 1039 01:01:47,730 --> 01:01:52,680 individual be upstanding citizen but don't be global. i It's, I 1040 01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,710 think you're right, I think it feels like Mike hogs and there's 1041 01:01:55,710 --> 01:01:59,670 lots of money flowing into this. There's a lot of money for it. 1042 01:02:00,060 --> 01:02:03,990 And the the fact that the money comes from the same people who 1043 01:02:04,410 --> 01:02:08,850 organize and and politically organized the Brexit means it's 1044 01:02:08,850 --> 01:02:11,820 a political group. There's political money behind this. I'm 1045 01:02:11,820 --> 01:02:14,700 not saying I disagree with Brexit, obviously I don't. I 1046 01:02:14,700 --> 01:02:17,160 thought it was great. I thought it was phenomenal to see that. 1047 01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:22,410 But you got to be honest about it. The UAE money source just 1048 01:02:22,410 --> 01:02:23,250 smells 1049 01:02:26,340 --> 01:02:28,200 John C Dvorak: Well, I'm looking at your website too. And the 1050 01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:32,040 website is the only way I can describe it who should go to as 1051 01:02:32,070 --> 01:02:32,580 a 1052 01:02:33,390 --> 01:02:36,600 Adam Curry: part of your archive.org 1053 01:02:37,350 --> 01:02:44,670 John C Dvorak: it is corny. It is overproduced. All the stock 1054 01:02:44,670 --> 01:02:51,960 art is corny. It's just lame. It's super lame. And the fact 1055 01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,800 that that some of these people are ever attaching their names 1056 01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:00,120 to this is just an embarrassment. Yeah. Okay, what 1057 01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,730 did they cut in here? Um, there's like a running movie at 1058 01:03:02,730 --> 01:03:06,780 the beginning with UNISOM. The aarC of the of the moral 1059 01:03:06,780 --> 01:03:11,730 universe is long, but it bends toward justice. What does that 1060 01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:13,350 even mean? 1061 01:03:13,470 --> 01:03:15,300 Adam Curry: That's what I'm talking about. It's these these 1062 01:03:15,300 --> 01:03:19,110 these big structured sentences, then I guess it sounds better if 1063 01:03:19,110 --> 01:03:20,040 you're wearing you're cutting 1064 01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:23,040 John C Dvorak: grapes off of a vine. What does that have to do 1065 01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:24,210 with anything? It's 1066 01:03:24,210 --> 01:03:26,790 Adam Curry: a biblical thing. That's a biblical thing. This is 1067 01:03:26,790 --> 01:03:30,030 what I mean. It's like this. It's part part religious. So 1068 01:03:30,030 --> 01:03:31,680 John C Dvorak: that's the only biblical thing because they're 1069 01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:36,840 showing somebody playing the piano. Somebody's harvesting 1070 01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:40,710 wheat couple of kids jumping up and down in a puddle. I mean, it 1071 01:03:40,710 --> 01:03:43,890 the whole thing stinks. It stinks. 1072 01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:48,000 Adam Curry: I'm glad we agree. Because it bothers me. But 1073 01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,280 John C Dvorak: why you knew why they made you think that I would 1074 01:03:50,340 --> 01:03:52,050 even think this was good. 1075 01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,810 Adam Curry: No, no, you boil it down to the truth of it. It 1076 01:03:54,810 --> 01:03:55,590 stinks. 1077 01:03:55,710 --> 01:03:58,530 John C Dvorak: Well, I got it down to one word, it sticks. It 1078 01:03:58,530 --> 01:03:59,220 stinks. 1079 01:04:00,270 --> 01:04:02,400 Adam Curry: You know their ideas, restoring the foundations 1080 01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,940 of our civilization a better story for a better story for the 1081 01:04:05,940 --> 01:04:09,060 future. addressing the challenges of our time breaking 1082 01:04:09,060 --> 01:04:14,550 the inevitable path and Okay, blah, blah, blah, blah blah, why 1083 01:04:14,550 --> 01:04:16,200 we need a better story and 1084 01:04:17,820 --> 01:04:21,720 John C Dvorak: they left a one out soaking they you a for as 1085 01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:22,980 much as we can get. 1086 01:04:24,390 --> 01:04:27,270 Adam Curry: This is this has been my problem with like the 1087 01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:30,720 alternative media for a while. Everybody goes on each other's 1088 01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:35,430 podcast. Me Oh, and I'll pull them all you know Megyn Kelly 1089 01:04:35,430 --> 01:04:40,320 and Victor Davis Hanson and Tim Poole and you know that just go 1090 01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,950 around and around and around and then they've created this this 1091 01:04:43,950 --> 01:04:47,490 belief vortex this vortex is belief in themselves that 1092 01:04:47,490 --> 01:04:50,850 they're that they're changing something Yeah. And it just 1093 01:04:50,850 --> 01:04:56,580 doesn't feel legit. No, look, I know we're outside of that 1094 01:04:56,580 --> 01:04:59,880 because we don't wear headphones and have the mics on her face 1095 01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:03,150 and In video, that's why we'll never be a part of it. But I 1096 01:05:03,150 --> 01:05:06,660 don't think it's something you want to be a part of. It's just 1097 01:05:06,660 --> 01:05:10,890 it feels disingenuous. I can't. Well, I can't put my finger on 1098 01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:15,240 other than what you said it stinks. Stinks. Stinks or 1099 01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:18,150 something weird. So the N 1100 01:05:18,570 --> 01:05:21,930 John C Dvorak: and I don't like to logo, mark the aarC with a 1101 01:05:21,930 --> 01:05:22,530 little thing. 1102 01:05:23,670 --> 01:05:26,220 Adam Curry: And then welcome aboard the Ark like Okay, now 1103 01:05:26,220 --> 01:05:26,970 we're Noah's Ark. 1104 01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,190 John C Dvorak: Yeah now Yeah, well, there's your religious 1105 01:05:29,430 --> 01:05:30,360 connection not 1106 01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,160 Unknown: knocking the board now or now we're 1107 01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:33,600 Adam Curry: good. We're good to go. 1108 01:05:33,630 --> 01:05:37,260 John C Dvorak: That's a pun. Yeah. Which is the lowest form 1109 01:05:37,260 --> 01:05:37,770 of humor? 1110 01:05:37,830 --> 01:05:40,680 Adam Curry: Yeah. Anyway, eyes on Ark. 1111 01:05:41,490 --> 01:05:43,950 John C Dvorak: We got to make sure we know this one got to go 1112 01:05:43,950 --> 01:05:50,130 nowhere. Well, I mean, it's okay. I don't know. Well, that's 1113 01:05:50,130 --> 01:05:52,530 a good fine. I'll give you 10 points for that one. Well, thank 1114 01:05:52,530 --> 01:05:54,690 Adam Curry: you. I'll give you one point. Fine. I'll give you 1115 01:05:54,690 --> 01:05:57,960 one point back for the eight stinks. So I'll take an I think 1116 01:05:58,020 --> 01:06:02,820 you take one stinks. Okay. All right. What you got 1117 01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:05,880 John C Dvorak: on this website? 1118 01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:10,080 Adam Curry: It's bugging isn't it? What you got? 1119 01:06:11,069 --> 01:06:13,019 John C Dvorak: Mike? John. Yeah. You mentioned them? Yes. I 1120 01:06:13,020 --> 01:06:16,230 Adam Curry: want to talk about that's good. I caught 1121 01:06:16,260 --> 01:06:19,320 John C Dvorak: Kash Patel who I really do like as an analyst. So 1122 01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:20,280 you do do you? 1123 01:06:20,730 --> 01:06:22,260 Adam Curry: I do. Do you really do? 1124 01:06:22,319 --> 01:06:26,009 John C Dvorak: I do do likely. Okay. And I think doo doo is the 1125 01:06:26,009 --> 01:06:33,179 right word. And he is on NTD talking about what Johnson may 1126 01:06:33,179 --> 01:06:35,279 or may not be able to accomplish. And I think it was 1127 01:06:35,279 --> 01:06:37,379 worth listening to it. So I made a clip of it. 1128 01:06:37,470 --> 01:06:39,540 Unknown: Kash Patel, thank you so much for joining us. Good to 1129 01:06:39,540 --> 01:06:41,250 be back on the show. The House has 1130 01:06:41,310 --> 01:06:44,220 Adam Curry: said this is the new Speaker of the House. The crazy 1131 01:06:44,220 --> 01:06:45,180 religious guy 1132 01:06:45,210 --> 01:06:46,650 Unknown: just elected a speaker. 1133 01:06:49,230 --> 01:06:52,860 Adam Curry: If he's, you know, I can just see Mike Justin, 1134 01:06:52,890 --> 01:06:54,810 John C Dvorak: that's the one thing that they can bitch and 1135 01:06:54,810 --> 01:06:57,630 moan about his religiosity and all the rest of it, which he 1136 01:06:57,630 --> 01:07:02,070 doesn't really exhibit at all. Except his hair cut maybe. But 1137 01:07:02,130 --> 01:07:03,780 this arc thing bothers me. 1138 01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,630 Adam Curry: Yeah, I mean, if you're on the same website with 1139 01:07:06,630 --> 01:07:10,110 the eyepatch, McCain, Dan Crenshaw, I mean, you got some 1140 01:07:10,110 --> 01:07:11,220 soul searching to do. 1141 01:07:11,790 --> 01:07:13,860 Unknown: Kash Patel, thank you so much for joining us. Good to 1142 01:07:13,860 --> 01:07:17,130 be back on the show. The house has elected a speaker Mike 1143 01:07:17,130 --> 01:07:20,160 Johnson. He got unanimous consent from the Republicans. 1144 01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:23,400 This is after three weeks without a speaker. Why do you 1145 01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:27,660 think Mike Johnson one where Scalise Jordan and ever failed? 1146 01:07:27,690 --> 01:07:30,480 Look at this isn't an overnight process. You know, I know 1147 01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,000 speaker Johnson, he's a great guy we've worked together in the 1148 01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:39,180 past. And in my opinion, would I think you saw is this notion 1149 01:07:39,180 --> 01:07:42,930 that people who have been in Washington forever and CO opted 1150 01:07:42,930 --> 01:07:45,420 by the lobbyists in defense industrial complex and big 1151 01:07:45,420 --> 01:07:50,370 public interest. Their tenure at running Washington DC, at least 1152 01:07:50,370 --> 01:07:53,070 for the Republican Party has come to an end. And when we look 1153 01:07:53,070 --> 01:07:56,430 back in the mirror and say, you know whether or not you like 1154 01:07:56,430 --> 01:07:59,220 what Representative Gates did or not, that was the instigating 1155 01:07:59,220 --> 01:08:01,830 moment. And you saw a lot of people, especially in 1156 01:08:01,830 --> 01:08:04,500 conservative media circles rise up and actually participate in 1157 01:08:04,500 --> 01:08:07,230 this conversation. And that's why I think you saw so many 1158 01:08:07,230 --> 01:08:12,360 votes for different candidates beforehand. And what you saw in 1159 01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:16,950 speaker elect, Mike Johnson is a different candidate emerge, 1160 01:08:17,430 --> 01:08:22,620 someone who will be critical of the establishment and who has in 1161 01:08:22,620 --> 01:08:27,210 the past supported, you know, quite arduously, President Trump 1162 01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:30,960 and those other individuals don't have that track record. So 1163 01:08:31,140 --> 01:08:34,290 it's going to be a different speakership, for sure. We'll 1164 01:08:34,290 --> 01:08:37,560 just see if he is CO opted by the swamp or he takes the swamp 1165 01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:37,920 over. 1166 01:08:38,519 --> 01:08:40,799 Adam Curry: Oh, that's a good point. That's a good point. He's 1167 01:08:40,799 --> 01:08:43,289 young enough to be totally co opted by the swamp. 1168 01:08:44,069 --> 01:08:47,459 John C Dvorak: Yeah. Is could totally happen to him but being 1169 01:08:47,909 --> 01:08:53,639 but being a true religious person, the likelihood is less. 1170 01:08:54,809 --> 01:08:59,759 Because he's not guided by the by the greed. Glory, you'd hope. 1171 01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:02,610 Adam Curry: The enemy is always on the prowl. 1172 01:09:04,229 --> 01:09:07,409 Unknown: Part two, to your point during the 2020 election, 1173 01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:11,039 Johnson voted against certifying the Electoral College votes in 1174 01:09:11,039 --> 01:09:14,399 Arizona and Pennsylvania. And after Biden won the presidency 1175 01:09:14,399 --> 01:09:17,879 he called Trump telling him to keep fighting. How do you see 1176 01:09:17,879 --> 01:09:20,969 Johnson uniting the Republican Party as it were? 1177 01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:24,360 Well, the Republican Party has changed the Republican Party is 1178 01:09:24,390 --> 01:09:27,630 jettison the likes of whether you like them or dislike them, 1179 01:09:27,630 --> 01:09:30,630 Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger and other folks, the Republican 1180 01:09:30,630 --> 01:09:33,690 Party has changed since Donald Trump became president. And a 1181 01:09:33,690 --> 01:09:36,270 lot of people don't want to accept that the Karl Rove's of 1182 01:09:36,270 --> 01:09:39,060 the world. But the reality is, it's the right of the Republican 1183 01:09:39,060 --> 01:09:43,320 Party to change. And what you saw today in speaker elect Mike 1184 01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:48,090 Johnson is a momentous, prodigious change in the way the 1185 01:09:48,090 --> 01:09:52,140 Republican Party has shaped and by the way, you also saw him win 1186 01:09:52,140 --> 01:09:57,120 by a vote margin of 220. Every single Republican voted for him 1187 01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:00,000 without the conditions that were attached to Speaker McCarthy. 1188 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:04,230 He's a bit. That must mean, everyone in Congress at least 1189 01:10:04,230 --> 01:10:07,590 has an huge amount of respect for him, but believes he will 1190 01:10:07,590 --> 01:10:10,410 get the job done. And I think the Republican Party will 1191 01:10:10,410 --> 01:10:13,530 continue to change. It's not unlike the Democratic Party when 1192 01:10:13,530 --> 01:10:16,800 it changes over time. This is allowed to happen in this 1193 01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,950 country. And you know, when Speaker Pelosi and Hakeem 1194 01:10:19,950 --> 01:10:23,520 Jeffries and and Secretary of State Clinton challenged the 1195 01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:27,120 election and refuse to concede it in other elections, that was 1196 01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:29,040 their right to do so under the First Amendment freedom of 1197 01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,410 speech, and that was Mike Johnson's right to do so with 1198 01:10:31,410 --> 01:10:32,130 President Trump. 1199 01:10:32,190 --> 01:10:35,310 Adam Curry: No, no, no, he's an election denier. That's not the 1200 01:10:35,310 --> 01:10:40,890 same thing. How quickly they forget. 1201 01:10:42,900 --> 01:10:44,610 John C Dvorak: All right, let's wrap it with this. He actually 1202 01:10:44,610 --> 01:10:47,850 this is a long interview. And he took these three clips. And I 1203 01:10:47,850 --> 01:10:50,460 can kind of maybe summarize some other stuff, he said, but I 1204 01:10:50,460 --> 01:10:53,460 think that clips he brings a little a little bit for 1205 01:10:53,519 --> 01:10:56,459 Unknown: do you see the house being more aggressive on this 1206 01:10:56,459 --> 01:10:59,759 front with Johnson as speaker, especially with the 2024 1207 01:10:59,759 --> 01:11:01,109 election race heating up? 1208 01:11:01,170 --> 01:11:03,840 Well, that would be my advice to him. I mean, now he has the 1209 01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:06,690 majority. He's got the gavel. So you can extend subpoena power to 1210 01:11:06,690 --> 01:11:10,920 the chairman and women he can call for votes of contempt of 1211 01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,380 Congress for individuals like Chris rea Merrick Garland, who 1212 01:11:13,380 --> 01:11:15,960 have already violated congressional subpoenas. And the 1213 01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,270 precedent laid out by the Democratic January 6 committee 1214 01:11:18,270 --> 01:11:22,080 was those people get prosecuted by the DOJ, or we start 1215 01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:25,560 defunding some pieces of those organizations. So speaker 1216 01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,470 Johnson has that ability to do that he can empower those 1217 01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:31,410 chairmen and chairwomen. He can make a subpoena process swifter, 1218 01:11:31,410 --> 01:11:33,840 but he's also got to put some teeth behind it, you can issue 1219 01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,840 all the subpoenas you want, and Chris Ray and Merrick Garland 1220 01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:39,810 have basically just thrown them in the trash. And this is a 1221 01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:44,340 federal contempt of proceeding document, then the Republicans 1222 01:11:44,340 --> 01:11:46,950 have not acted on it. So hopefully, Speaker Johnson will 1223 01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:48,990 launch into that because at the end of the day, what the 1224 01:11:48,990 --> 01:11:51,600 American public deserves as a truth, why is the FBI and DOJ 1225 01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:53,970 hiding these documents, whether it's Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, 1226 01:11:54,210 --> 01:11:56,970 Donald Trump, or what have you put it all out there, so we can 1227 01:11:56,970 --> 01:11:58,560 vote based on the truth? 1228 01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:02,040 Adam Curry: You know, if speaker Johnson goes down that route, 1229 01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:07,110 and the first big thing he does is the Hunter Biden stuff, then 1230 01:12:07,140 --> 01:12:10,740 it's lost. I mean, there's so much more he could be doing, 1231 01:12:11,250 --> 01:12:12,000 don't you think? 1232 01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:16,020 John C Dvorak: Well, the thing is that I think by giving the 1233 01:12:16,050 --> 01:12:20,070 these committee heads the subpoena powers that they that 1234 01:12:20,190 --> 01:12:26,430 he has to delegate I guess, and letting them go nuts. And it's 1235 01:12:26,430 --> 01:12:28,890 really not his he's not connected to any of that, I 1236 01:12:28,890 --> 01:12:33,690 think would be good. Well, it would create it would create a 1237 01:12:33,690 --> 01:12:36,930 carnival, but Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's very entertaining. I 1238 01:12:36,930 --> 01:12:37,620 get a kick out 1239 01:12:37,620 --> 01:12:39,960 Adam Curry: of it. And what's interesting is in this day and 1240 01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:44,280 age where, you know, particularly with the situation 1241 01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:47,010 in the Middle East, we've got people talking about horrible 1242 01:12:47,010 --> 01:12:51,450 there's anti semitism, people attacking people, you know, Jews 1243 01:12:51,480 --> 01:12:57,840 attacking Jews, Islamophobia, attacking Muslims. Apparently 1244 01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:02,160 Christians are okay. Well, that's nothing new. Well, but 1245 01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:09,450 Jen Psaki did a fantastic job, I think, really? If you want to 1246 01:13:09,480 --> 01:13:13,050 attack someone like Mike Johnson, which she did on her, 1247 01:13:13,110 --> 01:13:16,950 what's her show? Inside with Jen SUCK IT 1248 01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:19,380 John C Dvorak: unwatchable. But you managed to Washington. Good. 1249 01:13:19,530 --> 01:13:22,410 Unknown: So let's take a few minutes to talk about this new 1250 01:13:22,410 --> 01:13:26,220 speaker. first glance, Mike Johnson does seem fine, fine 1251 01:13:26,220 --> 01:13:29,940 ish, conservative. Yes. But he wants started a civility caucus 1252 01:13:29,940 --> 01:13:33,390 with a Democrat. And I mean, if nothing else, he wears a suit as 1253 01:13:33,390 --> 01:13:36,240 glasses. How threatening can this guy actually be? 1254 01:13:36,390 --> 01:13:39,570 Adam Curry: Well, he may be threatening? Well, he gave 1255 01:13:39,570 --> 01:13:42,270 Unknown: us all a little clue as to how he would govern an 1256 01:13:42,270 --> 01:13:43,320 interview this week. 1257 01:13:43,530 --> 01:13:46,290 I'm a Bible believing Christian. Someone asked me today in the 1258 01:13:46,290 --> 01:13:49,800 media, they said it's curious people are curious, what is my 1259 01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:53,130 Johnson think about any issue under the sun? I said, Well, go 1260 01:13:53,130 --> 01:13:56,130 pick up a Bible off your shelf and read it. That's That's my 1261 01:13:56,130 --> 01:13:56,580 worldview. 1262 01:13:56,790 --> 01:14:00,420 You heard that right. The Bible doesn't just inform his 1263 01:14:00,420 --> 01:14:05,130 worldview is his worldview. In fact, during his first speech in 1264 01:14:05,130 --> 01:14:08,850 his new job, Johnson suggested that his election as speaker was 1265 01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:10,650 an act of God, 1266 01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:14,790 Adam Curry: he didn't actually say he never said that. He said, 1267 01:14:14,790 --> 01:14:18,930 we all have been ordained by God to be lifted up to where we are 1268 01:14:18,930 --> 01:14:23,340 today. That's what he said. But no, no, it was an act of God. 1269 01:14:23,519 --> 01:14:26,189 Unknown: Talk about a bit of a humblebrag there so 1270 01:14:26,220 --> 01:14:29,010 John C Dvorak: what exactly has got apparently by lightning 1271 01:14:30,750 --> 01:14:32,430 she's gonna be hit by lightning. 1272 01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:38,220 Unknown: So what exactly has got apparently called on Mike 1273 01:14:38,220 --> 01:14:39,270 Johnson to do? 1274 01:14:39,270 --> 01:14:42,510 Adam Curry: Oh, now, we got to continue the theme. So what is 1275 01:14:42,540 --> 01:14:47,400 what is God telling Mike Johnson to do? This is the level of of 1276 01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:48,690 MSNBC now. 1277 01:14:48,810 --> 01:14:51,870 Unknown: Well, his views on policy are essentially what 1278 01:14:51,870 --> 01:14:54,690 you'd expect from a religious fundamentalists. They're more 1279 01:14:54,690 --> 01:14:58,110 divisive than they are divine. Prior to his election to 1280 01:14:58,110 --> 01:15:02,340 Congress in 2016 Johnson spent Nearly two decades working for 1281 01:15:02,340 --> 01:15:04,920 the hard right conservative legal activist group the 1282 01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:09,000 Alliance Defending Freedom it's a group by the way that is so 1283 01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:12,090 right wing it was designated a hate group by the Southern 1284 01:15:12,090 --> 01:15:13,110 Poverty Law Center. 1285 01:15:13,170 --> 01:15:15,390 Adam Curry: Oh, there you go. That's proof this guy is 1286 01:15:15,390 --> 01:15:18,630 horrible. Man, I wish we would be deemed a hate group by the 1287 01:15:18,630 --> 01:15:21,090 Southern Poverty Law Center. It might get us in a little 1288 01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:24,900 John C Dvorak: little won't help us at all and we don't wish for 1289 01:15:24,900 --> 01:15:25,890 such things. 1290 01:15:27,090 --> 01:15:29,490 Adam Curry: But don't they deem everybody a hate group 1291 01:15:29,490 --> 01:15:32,940 basically, the Southern Poverty Law Center every 1292 01:15:33,150 --> 01:15:37,680 John C Dvorak: day deemed the lives of tick tock but they have 1293 01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:43,290 a lot of they're they're so off the rails. I wouldn't wish it 1294 01:15:43,290 --> 01:15:46,140 any potential by the they're creepy. They're creeps. 1295 01:15:46,620 --> 01:15:49,260 Adam Curry: I'm just using that as an example. 1296 01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:52,860 Unknown: The ADF has worked for decades to blur the line between 1297 01:15:52,860 --> 01:15:53,730 church and state. 1298 01:15:53,970 --> 01:15:56,880 Adam Curry: This is this is the issue now see, this is the same 1299 01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:00,630 thing that Swisher and and Professor G we're all about 1300 01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:02,880 church and state it should be separate, 1301 01:16:02,910 --> 01:16:04,950 Unknown: not erase it altogether. It's kind of their 1302 01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:07,680 goal. They push to expand LGBT. 1303 01:16:07,770 --> 01:16:11,790 Adam Curry: Right. That's a goal now but that's this is why she's 1304 01:16:11,790 --> 01:16:15,060 so good. She's very good at what she's doing here curtain. See 1305 01:16:15,060 --> 01:16:15,330 she's 1306 01:16:15,330 --> 01:16:19,260 John C Dvorak: a prophet. She's a horrible propagandist, a glib 1307 01:16:19,260 --> 01:16:25,320 one and she she's, she has a she doesn't. She's not an ugly 1308 01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:28,860 woman. But she's not attractive in the way that she should be 1309 01:16:28,860 --> 01:16:32,460 for television. And I think she's got ratings in the toilet 1310 01:16:32,460 --> 01:16:36,360 because they know she doesn't have any. There's no current 1311 01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:39,240 real charisma that would draw in an audience. 1312 01:16:39,540 --> 01:16:42,450 Adam Curry: Also, what I'm hearing is this is Rachel Mattos 1313 01:16:42,510 --> 01:16:46,710 writers. But she hasn't she's trying she's trying, you know, 1314 01:16:46,950 --> 01:16:48,330 she's trying to do Rachel 1315 01:16:48,330 --> 01:16:50,940 John C Dvorak: Maddow had Yes. Well, Rachel Maddow was writers 1316 01:16:50,940 --> 01:16:57,090 came from Oberman who was her mentor? And she and she but 1317 01:16:57,090 --> 01:17:01,170 she's a comedian. She's actually a genuine comedian. So she could 1318 01:17:01,170 --> 01:17:06,240 deliver lines with a kind of sarcasm. Yes, that was a goofy 1319 01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:10,380 style of sarcasm that had an attraction to a lot of people. 1320 01:17:10,380 --> 01:17:13,740 Yes. Who'd like to nod their heads when Rachel talk? This 1321 01:17:13,740 --> 01:17:16,530 woman has no sense of humor that I can tell. 1322 01:17:16,620 --> 01:17:18,900 Adam Curry: No, but it's the same. It must be the same 1323 01:17:18,900 --> 01:17:22,500 writing team or influence, but she can't deliver the line. 1324 01:17:22,500 --> 01:17:22,710 That's 1325 01:17:22,710 --> 01:17:24,780 John C Dvorak: what I mean. She can't she because she's not 1326 01:17:24,780 --> 01:17:26,190 funny, correct, not 1327 01:17:26,220 --> 01:17:28,710 Unknown: erase it altogether. It's kind of their goal. They 1328 01:17:28,710 --> 01:17:32,610 push to expand LGBTQ plus discrimination in the name of 1329 01:17:32,820 --> 01:17:33,780 religious freedom. 1330 01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:38,460 Adam Curry: I love so they disagree with LGBTQ so they are 1331 01:17:38,460 --> 01:17:42,630 pushing for everything against LGBTQ freedom. 1332 01:17:42,810 --> 01:17:44,730 Unknown: And they were a big part of the effort to overturn 1333 01:17:44,730 --> 01:17:47,130 Roe v. Wade. Following the supreme court 1334 01:17:47,220 --> 01:17:50,580 Adam Curry: overturn Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court did that 1335 01:17:50,610 --> 01:17:51,660 or its 2003 1336 01:17:51,660 --> 01:17:54,180 Unknown: ruling that struck down the country sodomy laws as 1337 01:17:54,210 --> 01:17:57,210 unconstitutional. Johnson criticized the decision and 1338 01:17:57,210 --> 01:18:01,020 wrote in favor of criminalizing gay sex. He claimed that, quote, 1339 01:18:01,050 --> 01:18:03,570 states have always maintained the right to discourage the 1340 01:18:03,570 --> 01:18:05,520 evils of sexual conduct outside 1341 01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:07,440 Adam Curry: of marriage. It's not quite the same as 1342 01:18:07,440 --> 01:18:09,930 criminalizing. And in 2000 is 1343 01:18:09,930 --> 01:18:12,030 John C Dvorak: one of those examples where you say one thing 1344 01:18:12,030 --> 01:18:15,840 and then you use an example that isn't the same as wrong. And 1345 01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,660 this is the lowest form of journalism, and 1346 01:18:18,690 --> 01:18:22,230 Adam Curry: it's about the state sodomy laws. And he says 1347 01:18:22,230 --> 01:18:24,810 something completely different according to her quote, three 1348 01:18:24,810 --> 01:18:27,330 Unknown: ruling that struck down the country sodomy laws as 1349 01:18:27,330 --> 01:18:30,330 unconstitutional. Johnson criticized the decision and 1350 01:18:30,330 --> 01:18:34,140 wrote in favor of criminalizing gay sex. He claimed the quote, 1351 01:18:34,170 --> 01:18:36,690 states have always maintained the right to discourage the 1352 01:18:36,690 --> 01:18:39,450 evils of sexual conduct outside of marriage. 1353 01:18:39,690 --> 01:18:43,470 Adam Curry: That doesn't mean gay sex necessarily outside of 1354 01:18:43,470 --> 01:18:47,730 marriage, any sex. Not that I'm on board with what he's saying. 1355 01:18:47,730 --> 01:18:51,870 But it mean, come on. Come on. Pataki. 1356 01:18:52,230 --> 01:18:55,110 Unknown: Then in 2004, Johnson wrote that homosexual 1357 01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:59,100 relationships are inherently unnatural, ultimately harmful, 1358 01:18:59,250 --> 01:19:03,600 and a dangerous lifestyle. You have to be a religious scholar 1359 01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:07,080 to know whether discrimination is a key tenet of the Bible. 1360 01:19:07,290 --> 01:19:09,330 It's not and then there is this 1361 01:19:12,330 --> 01:19:16,560 John C Dvorak: never read the Bible. That was my favorite 1362 01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:18,990 Unknown: law. homosexual relationships are inherently 1363 01:19:19,020 --> 01:19:23,520 unnatural, ultimately harmful, and a dangerous lifestyle. Say 1364 01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:26,310 it again. No, exactly. Has to be a religious scholar to know 1365 01:19:26,310 --> 01:19:30,270 whether discrimination is a key tenant of the Bible. It's not. 1366 01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:34,080 And then there is his policy on gun violence. Speaker Johnson 1367 01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:38,550 wants to talk about anything but guns and 2016 He actually blamed 1368 01:19:38,550 --> 01:19:42,720 school shootings on no fault divorce laws, radical feminism, 1369 01:19:42,870 --> 01:19:44,280 and legal abortion. 1370 01:19:44,670 --> 01:19:48,840 Adam Curry: I've got I've got to find worse. I love that part. 1371 01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:51,480 Maybe the SSRIs 1372 01:19:51,510 --> 01:19:54,090 Unknown: quite a stretch there. Then there's the obvious 1373 01:19:54,090 --> 01:19:57,240 question of how Johnson's convictions square with his 1374 01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:59,250 fierce loyalty to Donald Trump. 1375 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,580 John C Dvorak: That's obvious. I get the sense you brought this 1376 01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:07,890 this Rachel thing in. I'm now listening to her and trying to 1377 01:20:07,890 --> 01:20:11,730 hear Rachel and I can see where this material would work with 1378 01:20:11,730 --> 01:20:12,720 Rachel totally. 1379 01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:15,120 Adam Curry: She can do it. She has that snide kind of 1380 01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:15,840 deliveries a 1381 01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:19,440 John C Dvorak: snide, a certain kind. It's a it's a Beyonds. You 1382 01:20:19,440 --> 01:20:24,270 know, Saki likes to think she's snide. But compared to Rachel 1383 01:20:24,270 --> 01:20:28,050 Matt out, no, she's not even close, Rachel, Matt out, has 1384 01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:33,180 snide to the extreme extreme. And if she could pull this off 1385 01:20:33,180 --> 01:20:36,780 and make it and get people nodding their heads suck is not 1386 01:20:36,780 --> 01:20:39,240 pulling it off. It's just like mad blah, blah, blah, blah, 1387 01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:40,890 blah, blah. It's too monotone. 1388 01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:43,890 Adam Curry: I wish that we had AI that could change this from 1389 01:20:43,890 --> 01:20:46,260 soccer. We could we Rachel Maddow. 1390 01:20:46,440 --> 01:20:48,660 John C Dvorak: I mean, they're it's doable, but we're not gonna 1391 01:20:48,660 --> 01:20:53,010 do it because it's time consuming and stupid. But you 1392 01:20:53,010 --> 01:20:54,210 just do it in your own head. 1393 01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:55,950 Adam Curry: We got 30 seconds left, 1394 01:20:55,980 --> 01:20:58,500 Unknown: a guy who has been married multiple times paid hush 1395 01:20:58,500 --> 01:20:59,940 money to a porn star. Oh, boy. 1396 01:21:00,690 --> 01:21:04,320 Adam Curry: All right. How can he even think about Donald Trump 1397 01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:05,250 because he's a he's 1398 01:21:05,610 --> 01:21:09,000 Unknown: in 2016. He actually blamed school shootings on no 1399 01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:13,230 fault divorce laws, radical feminism, and legal abortion. 1400 01:21:13,260 --> 01:21:16,080 It's all quite a stretch there. Then there's the obvious 1401 01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:19,230 question of how Johnson's convictions square with his 1402 01:21:19,230 --> 01:21:22,980 fierce loyalty to Donald Trump. A guy who has been married 1403 01:21:22,980 --> 01:21:26,550 multiple times paid hush money to a porn star and joked about 1404 01:21:26,580 --> 01:21:27,720 grabbing women. 1405 01:21:27,870 --> 01:21:30,900 Adam Curry: Yeah, no, you can't like him as a church. God 1406 01:21:30,900 --> 01:21:33,420 fearing man. That's no good. There's no repentance, there's 1407 01:21:33,420 --> 01:21:35,340 no forgiveness. I would love to 1408 01:21:35,340 --> 01:21:38,970 Unknown: know what passage in the Bible told Johnson to become 1409 01:21:39,090 --> 01:21:41,580 one of the most important architects behind Trump's effort 1410 01:21:41,580 --> 01:21:45,090 to overturn the 2020 election. Which passage? Was it God 1411 01:21:45,090 --> 01:21:47,730 whispering in his ear to ignore the Constitution and 1412 01:21:47,730 --> 01:21:51,660 disenfranchise millions of voters? It's hard not to think 1413 01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:55,650 that Mike Johnson's idea of what America should be is drastically 1414 01:21:55,650 --> 01:21:58,740 out of line with what America actually is. He clearly 1415 01:21:58,740 --> 01:22:02,640 envisions a country that's less democratic and less tolerant, 1416 01:22:02,820 --> 01:22:05,340 and then explain why he seems more comfortable with the 1417 01:22:05,340 --> 01:22:08,790 America of the 18th century than the America of today. 1418 01:22:09,570 --> 01:22:12,090 Adam Curry: Are there no democratic Christians? 1419 01:22:13,050 --> 01:22:15,570 John C Dvorak: To know all Christians are atheists sinners? 1420 01:22:16,770 --> 01:22:20,670 They're all atheist. The whole Democrat party. I can't believe 1421 01:22:20,670 --> 01:22:25,500 that. Or Satanists. They could be Satanists. I don't know. I 1422 01:22:25,500 --> 01:22:27,600 don't understand the difference between an atheist and a 1423 01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:31,020 Satanist. It doesn't sound right. Yeah. sounds right to me. 1424 01:22:32,730 --> 01:22:36,900 Adam Curry: My goodness. Yeah, you're 1425 01:22:36,900 --> 01:22:40,260 John C Dvorak: right. This is written by Rachel Rachel's 1426 01:22:40,260 --> 01:22:43,500 writers. Yeah, they had this down to a tee. They were writing 1427 01:22:43,500 --> 01:22:47,490 for her voice. Yep. That which is not easy. By the way. When 1428 01:22:47,490 --> 01:22:49,470 you get a right if you're right, if you're reading from a 1429 01:22:49,470 --> 01:22:51,660 prompter, and somebody's writing for your voice, it's the 1430 01:22:51,660 --> 01:22:55,980 greatest experience of your life. Yeah. And you just read 1431 01:22:55,980 --> 01:22:58,710 and read and you sound like you're talking. And Rachel had 1432 01:22:58,710 --> 01:23:01,860 their best. And so these guys, she kind of quit, who doesn't 1433 01:23:01,860 --> 01:23:05,280 what once a month show or something now. And so the what 1434 01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:07,770 are we going to do? Well, Jen sock has got a new show. Let's 1435 01:23:07,770 --> 01:23:12,270 write for her. And it's like, oh, she's, she's not delivering 1436 01:23:12,270 --> 01:23:14,010 our material correctly. We're 1437 01:23:14,010 --> 01:23:16,830 Adam Curry: right and they've done as they put clown mascara 1438 01:23:16,830 --> 01:23:21,630 on her. By you know, you have to take a look at one of her recent 1439 01:23:21,660 --> 01:23:23,250 shows. I haven't 1440 01:23:23,250 --> 01:23:25,050 John C Dvorak: seen it for a few months. You know, they have like 1441 01:23:25,050 --> 01:23:27,900 they clump it together when you put a big red nose on her than 1442 01:23:30,210 --> 01:23:38,880 Adam Curry: that I would watch our boys, our Russian boys, VO 1443 01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:40,710 Vaughn and Alexis struck again. 1444 01:23:41,430 --> 01:23:41,970 John C Dvorak: Oh, those 1445 01:23:41,970 --> 01:23:45,750 Adam Curry: guys are the best. I love these guys. VO Vaughn and 1446 01:23:45,780 --> 01:23:52,110 Lexus. It's amazing how I mean, now all of this, you know, as 1447 01:23:52,110 --> 01:23:54,240 I'm watching this, or this actually, you know, I'm 1448 01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:58,590 listening to it. I'm thinking this could all be a deep fake. I 1449 01:23:58,590 --> 01:24:02,160 have no idea what Giorgio Maloney sounds like at length, 1450 01:24:02,460 --> 01:24:05,910 speaking in English to use the prime minister would be a denial 1451 01:24:05,910 --> 01:24:09,480 if that was true. There is no denial that I'm aware of yet. If 1452 01:24:09,480 --> 01:24:11,790 there's no denial, then it's not a deep fake. 1453 01:24:11,820 --> 01:24:14,940 John C Dvorak: I mean, denials. You have to add maybe this one 1454 01:24:14,940 --> 01:24:18,420 thing that should be been discussed in Bletchley, which is 1455 01:24:18,420 --> 01:24:23,580 that people have to be quicker on the draw to denying things. 1456 01:24:23,610 --> 01:24:33,180 Adam Curry: Yes, yes. So they do her by posing as an African 1457 01:24:33,180 --> 01:24:39,900 politician. It's unclear as of now. Which country in Africa and 1458 01:24:39,900 --> 01:24:42,990 it's very interesting, because after a while, the I don't know 1459 01:24:42,990 --> 01:24:45,600 it's vo Vaughn Alexis who were speaking, they sound pretty much 1460 01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:50,550 like a Russian African president. Just you know, it's a 1461 01:24:50,550 --> 01:24:53,610 phone call or it's a zoom call, or I don't know, I pulled two 1462 01:24:53,610 --> 01:24:58,290 clips from it's about 13 minutes in total. And the first is about 1463 01:24:58,710 --> 01:25:03,150 the illegal immigration. And that's going on. And that's just 1464 01:25:03,150 --> 01:25:05,220 a couple of things that were interesting that popped up in 1465 01:25:05,220 --> 01:25:06,000 this first bit. 1466 01:25:06,030 --> 01:25:09,480 Unknown: ageing. Hi. Prime Minister's nice to hear you. 1467 01:25:09,480 --> 01:25:13,890 Nice to meet you. So thank you for your time. And how are you? 1468 01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:20,880 I'm good. I'm good. Now, I heard many news. So what is 1469 01:25:22,110 --> 01:25:24,720 the situation is a bit difficult. Anyway, this 1470 01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:33,540 situation is very difficult for us to, to manage in this time 1471 01:25:34,530 --> 01:25:42,150 we've had from the beginning of the year. So in seven months, 1472 01:25:42,420 --> 01:25:53,130 nine months, more than 120,000 people, okay, mostly from 1473 01:25:53,130 --> 01:25:53,700 Tunisia. 1474 01:25:54,060 --> 01:25:56,910 Adam Curry: This is interesting. So it's, we this is not really 1475 01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:00,240 reported as such. So, and it's not that much compared to the 1476 01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:05,160 United States, but 120,000, mainly from Tunisia, who have 1477 01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:06,120 come into Italy 1478 01:26:06,150 --> 01:26:11,100 Unknown: situation, which is very difficult on every side. On 1479 01:26:11,100 --> 01:26:15,330 the south, the humanitarian side, the logistics side, the 1480 01:26:15,330 --> 01:26:24,060 security side. So I'm having and what I see is that these flows 1481 01:26:24,060 --> 01:26:27,300 risk to be increased for the situation that's going on in 1482 01:26:27,300 --> 01:26:33,600 Africa, for over in hell, but also with the problem of the 1483 01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:38,250 grain and all the problems. So you know, quite better than me, 1484 01:26:38,430 --> 01:26:42,570 we are working also in the European Union, for a memorandum 1485 01:26:42,570 --> 01:26:47,610 with Tunisia to help not only managing migration, I mean, my 1486 01:26:47,610 --> 01:26:52,080 idea is always that you have to do both things. From one side. I 1487 01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:53,370 agree. Absolutely. 1488 01:26:53,550 --> 01:26:56,130 Adam Curry: So there's something up with Tunisia, that where 1489 01:26:56,130 --> 01:26:58,860 there's not really being reported on and she says, you 1490 01:26:58,860 --> 01:27:01,950 know, you know, better than I do about the grain, okay, so are 1491 01:27:01,950 --> 01:27:05,100 people starving? It's always like Arab Spring kicked off in 1492 01:27:05,100 --> 01:27:09,540 Tunisia. So gotta keep our eyes on Tunisia. Now comes I think, 1493 01:27:09,540 --> 01:27:13,110 the best part of this, of this hoax, which I just love, that 1494 01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:16,650 these I love that these politicians that they fall for 1495 01:27:16,650 --> 01:27:18,840 this is it makes you wonder 1496 01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:21,600 John C Dvorak: what else they fall for? All kinds of stuff. 1497 01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:23,070 Climate change, 1498 01:27:23,130 --> 01:27:29,190 Adam Curry: oh, well, he or she basically, says the quiet part 1499 01:27:29,190 --> 01:27:31,740 out loud about Ukraine. How do 1500 01:27:31,740 --> 01:27:35,250 Unknown: you estimate the conflict in Iraq between Ukraine 1501 01:27:35,250 --> 01:27:37,440 and Russia? How long it will take you 1502 01:27:37,440 --> 01:27:39,450 Adam Curry: sound like Does he not sound like a Russian at this 1503 01:27:39,450 --> 01:27:39,690 point? 1504 01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:41,970 John C Dvorak: How How long sound like a Russia? 1505 01:27:43,170 --> 01:27:47,280 Unknown: How do you estimate the conflict between Ukraine and 1506 01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:51,900 Russia? How long it will take to understand it is? What is the 1507 01:27:51,900 --> 01:27:54,390 position? Are you in conversations with the 1508 01:27:54,390 --> 01:27:56,340 President? So? 1509 01:27:57,690 --> 01:28:03,810 Well, I see it, there is a lot of fatigue, I have to say that, 1510 01:28:04,530 --> 01:28:08,640 from all the sites, we near the moment in which everybody 1511 01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:15,540 understands that we need, we need a way. The problem is to 1512 01:28:15,540 --> 01:28:22,110 find a way out, which can be acceptable for both without 1513 01:28:22,110 --> 01:28:27,210 destroying the international law. I've got some ideas about 1514 01:28:27,210 --> 01:28:31,320 it on how to manage this situation. But I'm waiting for 1515 01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:36,300 understood one, to the right moment, try to put on the table 1516 01:28:36,300 --> 01:28:38,010 these ideas I've gotten. 1517 01:28:38,070 --> 01:28:41,370 Adam Curry: So there's a little more to this. So she says 1518 01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:44,460 everybody is sick and tired of this crap is basically what 1519 01:28:44,460 --> 01:28:47,880 she's saying, we're tired. We need a way out. We need to stop 1520 01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:51,780 this. This is not working for anybody. And then she says, 1521 01:28:51,780 --> 01:28:55,950 Well, I have some ideas. I don't believe she has ideas. But then 1522 01:28:55,980 --> 01:28:58,770 it gets really weird after this next bit that you see 1523 01:28:58,770 --> 01:29:03,150 Unknown: that you do this. But you see that Ukraine is not so 1524 01:29:03,810 --> 01:29:09,540 Ukraine is not so successful, as we expected. As we all expected, 1525 01:29:10,020 --> 01:29:10,920 for the spring, 1526 01:29:11,910 --> 01:29:17,130 the counter offensive of Ukraine is maybe not going as they were 1527 01:29:17,130 --> 01:29:23,550 expecting. It is going but it didn't change. I mean, 1528 01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:26,850 Adam Curry: now listen to this next week, this is really weird. 1529 01:29:28,290 --> 01:29:32,910 Unknown: The destiny of the conflict. So everybody 1530 01:29:32,910 --> 01:29:38,040 understand that it really could last many years if we don't try 1531 01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:44,130 to find some solutions. Problem is which is the solution 1532 01:29:44,130 --> 01:29:49,470 acceptable for both without opening other countries? Or you 1533 01:29:49,470 --> 01:29:52,980 know, you know what I think about Libya, maybe you don't 1534 01:29:52,980 --> 01:29:59,160 know but we should this we could discuss it for hours my my 1535 01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:05,700 friend What happened to Libya for maybe today? Somebody 1536 01:30:05,700 --> 01:30:08,940 understands that the situation after was not so good. 1537 01:30:09,900 --> 01:30:12,870 Adam Curry: What is this with Libya? Do they plan on killing 1538 01:30:12,870 --> 01:30:17,220 Zelinsky and turning it into Libya? Well, 1539 01:30:17,310 --> 01:30:19,740 John C Dvorak: for one thing, her commentary about Liberty, we 1540 01:30:19,740 --> 01:30:23,250 have to remember that Libya used to be an Italian state. 1541 01:30:23,970 --> 01:30:26,550 Adam Curry: Yes. So it's so store Brickley. Right. 1542 01:30:27,210 --> 01:30:30,120 John C Dvorak: And so what happened in Libya? She's not 1543 01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:33,990 happy about because it was the United it was NATO at our behest 1544 01:30:34,140 --> 01:30:38,130 to Hillary's behest Yes, to destroy them. And of course, we 1545 01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:43,470 are in our show we we looted to the fact that it was Qaddafi was 1546 01:30:43,470 --> 01:30:48,660 trying to undercut the American dollar, right with gold or gold, 1547 01:30:48,660 --> 01:30:54,420 this gold dinar. And so you, you don't do that. But so she I 1548 01:30:54,420 --> 01:30:57,390 don't know what she's referring to about Libya. But it's 1549 01:30:57,390 --> 01:31:00,570 possible that she's making making an illusion that Ukraine 1550 01:31:00,570 --> 01:31:05,580 is going to become a mess like Libya. Which I don't see that 1551 01:31:05,580 --> 01:31:07,710 happening, because Russia would just take it over. 1552 01:31:08,790 --> 01:31:14,250 Adam Curry: Well, there's a Time Magazine had a big piece on 1553 01:31:14,790 --> 01:31:17,280 Zelinsky. And Time Magazine. 1554 01:31:17,430 --> 01:31:20,190 John C Dvorak: Yes, it did got got played up everywhere. 1555 01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:22,920 Adam Curry: Yeah, but the part that didn't get played up about 1556 01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:27,120 the corruption because because that was in the article, but 1557 01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:30,210 John C Dvorak: I didn't listen to Newsweek or time that had the 1558 01:31:30,210 --> 01:31:34,020 piece where they had his assistants associate saying he's 1559 01:31:34,020 --> 01:31:35,550 out of control. He's lost it. 1560 01:31:35,730 --> 01:31:41,700 Adam Curry: Yes. It was his let me see on Andriy Yermak, 1561 01:31:41,700 --> 01:31:44,010 Presidential Chief of Staff referring to the bunker that 1562 01:31:44,010 --> 01:31:46,350 Zelinsky and a few of his confidence have called home. 1563 01:31:46,620 --> 01:31:49,290 We're not out there living the high life. He says all day, 1564 01:31:49,290 --> 01:31:52,050 we're busy fighting this war, amid all pressure to root out 1565 01:31:52,050 --> 01:31:56,670 corruption. I assume this is the journalist perhaps naively that 1566 01:31:56,670 --> 01:31:59,490 officials in Ukraine would think twice before taking a bribe or 1567 01:31:59,490 --> 01:32:02,880 pocketing state funds. But when I made this point to a top 1568 01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:06,180 presidential adviser in early October, he asked me to turn off 1569 01:32:06,180 --> 01:32:09,720 my audio recorder so we could speak more freely, quote, Simon, 1570 01:32:09,810 --> 01:32:13,020 you're mistaken. He says, People are stealing, like there's no 1571 01:32:13,020 --> 01:32:18,750 tomorrow. And then they go on to say that Zelinsky is delusional 1572 01:32:18,750 --> 01:32:22,560 is the word the term they use. Yeah, delusional Time Magazine. 1573 01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:28,410 Isn't that owned by Reed Hoffman, not at Reed Hoffman 1574 01:32:28,410 --> 01:32:30,810 John C Dvorak: the No, that's Newsweek. You're thinking of? 1575 01:32:31,380 --> 01:32:33,390 Adam Curry: Who owns I thought Time magazine was also 1576 01:32:33,930 --> 01:32:40,590 John C Dvorak: take a you know, it's not sorry, should be Time 1577 01:32:40,590 --> 01:32:40,950 Warner 1578 01:32:40,980 --> 01:32:45,690 Adam Curry: Marc Benioff, Marc Benioff. Yeah, he owns it. He 1579 01:32:45,690 --> 01:32:50,880 bought he buy it in 2019 at the end of 2019. And then he's the 1580 01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:53,730 Salesforce guy, huge Democrat. 1581 01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:58,200 John C Dvorak: So his victim so he's Yeah, he's a huge Democrat, 1582 01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:02,310 but he's not a progressive. I say that because he's buddies 1583 01:33:02,310 --> 01:33:03,660 with Schwarzenegger. 1584 01:33:06,990 --> 01:33:11,820 Adam Curry: Yeah, but I don't know man. This is that's weird 1585 01:33:11,820 --> 01:33:15,210 ad hoc. That's M five m should not be letting that news out. 1586 01:33:16,020 --> 01:33:20,040 That's that's not on board with me. That was the idea. And 1587 01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:26,640 hence, it was meant to go out hence the Libyan solution. Hmm. 1588 01:33:27,540 --> 01:33:34,800 Yeah, that I fear I fear for our our Coke snorting friend. Things 1589 01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:36,120 don't look good for him. 1590 01:33:36,570 --> 01:33:40,140 John C Dvorak: Well, we've said that before. Yeah, on this show 1591 01:33:40,170 --> 01:33:45,300 will be a year ago we've been we've been quite done by quite 1592 01:33:45,300 --> 01:33:48,750 wrong not necessarily wrong. Sometimes these things take time 1593 01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:49,830 to kill 1594 01:33:49,830 --> 01:33:54,390 Adam Curry: somebody mine magazine. So I have I have a 1595 01:33:54,390 --> 01:34:00,330 series of clips. And I'm very confused. Not about the clips. 1596 01:34:00,690 --> 01:34:05,160 But about the response from the White House. And everyone has 1597 01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:09,810 seen this happening. This is the main M five M news of the day 1598 01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:12,360 Unknown: this morning growing concerns over the rise of anti 1599 01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:15,720 semitic incidents on college campuses across the country. The 1600 01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:18,540 latest at Cornell University Police regarding the Center for 1601 01:34:18,540 --> 01:34:21,450 Jewish living and the president of the school has notified the 1602 01:34:21,450 --> 01:34:25,620 FBI of a possible hate crime. After she says a quote series of 1603 01:34:25,620 --> 01:34:29,550 horrendous anti semitic messages threatening violence were posted 1604 01:34:29,550 --> 01:34:30,210 online. 1605 01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:32,910 Adam Curry: So that's NBC in the morning. Here's NBC in the 1606 01:34:32,910 --> 01:34:37,680 evening. Tonight, the US is condemning this pro Palestinian 1607 01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:41,250 mob that stormed an airport in Russia looking for Jews. 1608 01:34:41,340 --> 01:34:44,130 Hundreds of men some carrying banners with anti semitic 1609 01:34:44,130 --> 01:34:48,240 slogans rushed onto the tarmac searching for Israeli passengers 1610 01:34:49,590 --> 01:34:52,890 around the world demonstrations calling for a ceasefire in the 1611 01:34:52,890 --> 01:34:57,750 Israel Hamas war. And then we've got CNN, a 21 year 1612 01:34:57,750 --> 01:35:00,450 Unknown: old student has been arrested for making anti Semitic 1613 01:35:00,480 --> 01:35:03,600 online threats against the Jewish community at Cornell 1614 01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:07,350 University. He did not enter a plea during his first appearance 1615 01:35:07,410 --> 01:35:10,920 in federal court today. This is happening as the number of anti 1616 01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:14,070 semitic threats is clearly on the rise across the United 1617 01:35:14,070 --> 01:35:17,640 States since the Hamas attacks against Israel. Then we have 1618 01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:18,480 Adam Curry: CBS, 1619 01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:21,870 Unknown: New York State Police are now standing guard outside 1620 01:35:21,870 --> 01:35:24,930 the Cornell Center for Jewish living. After authorities say 1621 01:35:24,930 --> 01:35:27,930 Patrick dye, a junior engineering student at Cornell 1622 01:35:27,990 --> 01:35:31,110 threatened to kill Jewish students, including those who 1623 01:35:31,110 --> 01:35:33,030 eat at this kosher dining hall. 1624 01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:36,900 Adam Curry: So what does our what does our administration do? 1625 01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:42,000 And this was a very long clip from our vice president, I made 1626 01:35:42,030 --> 01:35:47,850 an edit which I've made clear with a with a sound effect. But 1627 01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:50,880 this is the intro and the payoff of her announcement. 1628 01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:53,970 Unknown: Our nation was founded on the fundamental principle 1629 01:35:54,150 --> 01:35:59,790 that all people should have the freedom to live, to worship, and 1630 01:35:59,790 --> 01:36:03,750 to be without fear of violence or persecution. 1631 01:36:03,870 --> 01:36:06,390 Adam Curry: No, actually, it's the pursuit of life, liberty, 1632 01:36:06,450 --> 01:36:09,690 and happiness. It's not exactly what you said, but okay, well 1633 01:36:09,690 --> 01:36:11,370 let you slide is your interpretation. 1634 01:36:11,700 --> 01:36:14,610 Unknown: Every person has the right to live safe from 1635 01:36:14,610 --> 01:36:19,350 violence, and bigotry. And for those reasons, and so many more, 1636 01:36:19,380 --> 01:36:23,700 President Joe Biden and I have a duty not only to keep the people 1637 01:36:23,700 --> 01:36:28,440 of our nation safe, but to condemn unequivocally and 1638 01:36:28,440 --> 01:36:35,490 forcefully, all forms of hate. And today, we take another 1639 01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:40,560 important step forward in our fight against hate. For years, 1640 01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:44,130 Muslims in America and those perceived to be Muslim have 1641 01:36:44,130 --> 01:36:48,300 endured a disproportionate number of hate fueled attacks. 1642 01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:52,080 As a result of the Hamas terrorist attack in Israel and 1643 01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:56,850 the humanitarian crisis in Gaza. We have seen an uptick in anti 1644 01:36:56,850 --> 01:37:01,020 Palestinian, anti Arab, anti semitic and Islamophobic 1645 01:37:01,020 --> 01:37:05,490 incidents across America, including the brutal attack of a 1646 01:37:05,490 --> 01:37:09,960 Palestinian American woman who was Muslim, and the killing of 1647 01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:11,430 her six year old son. 1648 01:37:11,460 --> 01:37:15,240 Adam Curry: So everyone is talking about the Jew hate. And 1649 01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:20,760 they they put out a statement about Islamophobia. What? 1650 01:37:23,550 --> 01:37:25,140 John C Dvorak: Well, on the cover sheet, it says 1651 01:37:25,140 --> 01:37:30,090 Islamophobia and anti semitism, but it's what the announcement 1652 01:37:30,090 --> 01:37:31,020 was about. Yeah, 1653 01:37:31,050 --> 01:37:33,330 Adam Curry: well listen to the last 45 seconds, 1654 01:37:34,110 --> 01:37:37,230 Unknown: a senseless act of violence, that the Department of 1655 01:37:37,230 --> 01:37:41,730 Justice is investigating as a hate crime. For so many people 1656 01:37:41,730 --> 01:37:46,590 in our nation, the past few days and weeks, have brought about 1657 01:37:46,590 --> 01:37:51,030 all too familiar fears, fears that they will be targeted, 1658 01:37:51,060 --> 01:37:55,650 profiled or attacked, simply because of who they are, how 1659 01:37:55,650 --> 01:38:00,480 they worship, or how they look. And so today, I am proud to 1660 01:38:00,480 --> 01:38:04,230 announce the Biden Harris administration will develop our 1661 01:38:04,230 --> 01:38:09,540 nation's first national strategy to counter Islamophobia. This 1662 01:38:09,540 --> 01:38:13,560 strategy will be a comprehensive and detailed plan to protect 1663 01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:17,940 Muslims and those proceeds to be Muslim from hate, bigotry and 1664 01:38:17,940 --> 01:38:18,840 violence. 1665 01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:24,570 Adam Curry: So this can only be that the the binary, the second 1666 01:38:24,570 --> 01:38:28,350 part of the binary movement, which is, you know, getting 1667 01:38:28,350 --> 01:38:32,880 young people in universities to be all pro Palestine, free 1668 01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:37,170 Palestine, as we know, organized by x blue by the Democrat Party 1669 01:38:37,380 --> 01:38:41,880 and their handlers. This is the payoff were with you. We are 1670 01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:46,320 with you. The problem is clearly Islamophobia, when obviously 1671 01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:51,360 that's not the segment of Americans who are afraid. It's 1672 01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:52,380 very twisted. 1673 01:38:53,220 --> 01:38:56,370 John C Dvorak: It's totally twisted. I don't I'm in 1674 01:38:56,370 --> 01:39:00,870 agreement. I've seen the same exact structure that you spotted 1675 01:39:00,870 --> 01:39:04,710 here. Doesn't make a lot of sense unless the Democrat party 1676 01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:10,620 has decided to give up on the on the Democrat Jews most Jews in 1677 01:39:10,620 --> 01:39:13,110 the United States are Democrats. There's very few of them that 1678 01:39:13,110 --> 01:39:16,800 aren't Yeah, it's a very the number I think is under 20%. Or 1679 01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:22,680 maybe Republicans. And I think that they're given up on the on 1680 01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:26,520 the on the Jewish vote. Wow, troublesome that they 1681 01:39:26,550 --> 01:39:31,500 troublesome group. And they're that trouble. And they're all in 1682 01:39:31,500 --> 01:39:35,190 with the trans Maoists and the rest of them that hate the Jews. 1683 01:39:35,460 --> 01:39:39,390 And they bailed. I mean, the Democrats, I don't understand 1684 01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:45,120 the thinking behind Jews voting for Democrats, or blacks voting 1685 01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:48,900 for Democrats. It has never made any sense to me if you just look 1686 01:39:48,900 --> 01:39:49,890 at the track record. 1687 01:39:51,330 --> 01:39:55,680 Adam Curry: NBC Today, took it one step further, I guess trying 1688 01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:58,380 to give it a little bit of a Donald Trump slant to it 1689 01:39:58,410 --> 01:40:01,500 Unknown: as Israel's war against Hamas. US rages on a dire 1690 01:40:01,500 --> 01:40:04,020 warning from FBI director Christopher rea. 1691 01:40:04,260 --> 01:40:06,750 Adam Curry: The ongoing war in the Middle East has raised the 1692 01:40:06,750 --> 01:40:10,710 threat of an attack against Americans in the United States 1693 01:40:11,130 --> 01:40:12,300 to a whole nother level. 1694 01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:14,730 Unknown: Oh Ray telling the Senate Homeland Security 1695 01:40:14,730 --> 01:40:17,700 Committee The FBI is concerned violent extremists will be 1696 01:40:17,700 --> 01:40:21,120 inspired by Hamas and other foreign terrorist groups to 1697 01:40:21,120 --> 01:40:22,500 attack Americans. 1698 01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:26,520 Adam Curry: We assess that the actions of Hamas and its allies 1699 01:40:26,520 --> 01:40:30,300 will serve as an inspiration the likes of which we haven't seen 1700 01:40:30,300 --> 01:40:34,230 since ISIS launched its so called caliphate several years 1701 01:40:34,230 --> 01:40:34,590 ago. 1702 01:40:35,700 --> 01:40:38,370 Unknown: It comes as this morning The FBI says it now has 1703 01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:41,400 a suspect in custody in connection with violent online 1704 01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:44,850 threats targeting Jewish students at Cornell University. 1705 01:40:45,090 --> 01:40:48,630 According to prosecutors 21 year old Patrick Daya Jr. at the Ivy 1706 01:40:48,630 --> 01:40:52,230 League school is facing federal charges for a series of posts 1707 01:40:52,440 --> 01:40:56,010 allegedly threatening to kill Jewish people at the college and 1708 01:40:56,010 --> 01:40:59,460 shoot up a campus building. The anti Defamation League says it 1709 01:40:59,460 --> 01:41:03,750 seen a nearly 400% increase in reported anti semitic incidents 1710 01:41:03,930 --> 01:41:07,170 compared to the same period last year, with college students 1711 01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:08,520 frequently targeted 1712 01:41:08,610 --> 01:41:11,550 when we are hearing from students who are saying that 1713 01:41:11,550 --> 01:41:15,810 they are being harassed. Concerned about being visibly 1714 01:41:15,810 --> 01:41:18,000 Jewish, I think is really concerning. 1715 01:41:18,360 --> 01:41:21,930 On Tuesday, FBI Director Ray highlighted the alarming surge 1716 01:41:21,930 --> 01:41:24,180 in anti semitic hate nationwide. 1717 01:41:24,270 --> 01:41:27,060 Adam Curry: This is a threat that is reaching in some way 1718 01:41:27,060 --> 01:41:28,530 sort of historic levels, 1719 01:41:28,650 --> 01:41:30,840 Unknown: all part of his warning that threats against both 1720 01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:34,740 American Jews and Muslims are growing inflamed since the war 1721 01:41:34,740 --> 01:41:37,980 began, including the killing of a six year old Palestinian 1722 01:41:37,980 --> 01:41:41,550 American child in Illinois, allegedly at the hands of his 1723 01:41:41,550 --> 01:41:45,300 family's landlord. Raising the FBI also arrested a man in 1724 01:41:45,300 --> 01:41:48,960 Houston who was studying how to build bombs and posted online 1725 01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:51,240 about his support for killing Jews. 1726 01:41:51,809 --> 01:41:55,259 Adam Curry: I think this is all anti Trump rhetoric and subtle 1727 01:41:55,259 --> 01:41:56,249 propaganda. 1728 01:41:56,520 --> 01:41:58,740 John C Dvorak: Well, firstly, I have a couple of thoughts on 1729 01:41:58,740 --> 01:42:02,670 this. Okay. First of all, do you recall about a year or two ago 1730 01:42:02,670 --> 01:42:08,040 when there's all this news and Oh, anti Asian Pacific, anti 1731 01:42:08,250 --> 01:42:11,940 Asian hate, and they were promoting it in the media that 1732 01:42:11,940 --> 01:42:14,940 is and then you'd get one or two incidents here and there. 1733 01:42:14,940 --> 01:42:18,060 They're usually some dumb shit that beat up some old, old 1734 01:42:18,060 --> 01:42:20,910 Chinese woman in San Francisco or something like that. Yeah, 1735 01:42:20,940 --> 01:42:24,090 but they were promoting as this was a major trend. And it's 1736 01:42:24,090 --> 01:42:27,780 like, they're trying to make this happen. That guy who is a 1737 01:42:28,140 --> 01:42:31,920 21 year old who's on social media, posting all these threats 1738 01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:36,660 and all the rest of it. That has to be a hoax. There's no normal 1739 01:42:36,660 --> 01:42:38,940 person that's going to do that. Because they know what the 1740 01:42:38,940 --> 01:42:41,910 results are gonna be. You're gonna get arrested. You can't do 1741 01:42:41,910 --> 01:42:46,140 that. Nobody does that anymore. That's old school. That's before 1742 01:42:46,140 --> 01:42:49,620 people realize you can't do that. This is bullcrap that 1743 01:42:49,620 --> 01:42:53,370 story is nonsense. And then they keep bringing up the only 1744 01:42:53,370 --> 01:42:56,880 instance instance they seem to be one to find about a Muslim is 1745 01:42:56,880 --> 01:43:02,520 that little kid who was who was killed by a maniac, if anyone's 1746 01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:06,060 used see a picture of the so called landlord. This is all 1747 01:43:06,060 --> 01:43:10,200 ginned up that everything about it is ginned up for some 1748 01:43:10,200 --> 01:43:12,270 purpose. You might be right, it might have something to do with 1749 01:43:12,270 --> 01:43:12,780 Trump. 1750 01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:17,610 Adam Curry: People turn off your televisions, leave your phone in 1751 01:43:17,610 --> 01:43:21,420 the desk drawer, be like JCD, you'll be much happier for it 1752 01:43:21,540 --> 01:43:22,830 and much happier for 1753 01:43:22,860 --> 01:43:25,830 John C Dvorak: going to whole year. And I love this is 1754 01:43:25,830 --> 01:43:29,190 somebody other than they always get the same response. Oh, 1755 01:43:29,190 --> 01:43:32,610 really? Well, then how come I can text you? I said because 1756 01:43:32,610 --> 01:43:35,670 they use Google Voice Google Voice. It's on the computer. I 1757 01:43:35,670 --> 01:43:39,150 get the text on the computer. Oh, Allah. Am I talking to you 1758 01:43:39,180 --> 01:43:40,620 on now? Landline? 1759 01:43:41,250 --> 01:43:44,640 Adam Curry: I loved Horowitz? What if you have an emergency 1760 01:43:44,700 --> 01:43:49,110 and you're like, I'm not a doctor. My patients don't need 1761 01:43:49,110 --> 01:43:54,060 me immediately. What if you're stranded by the side of the 1762 01:43:54,060 --> 01:43:57,210 road? What do you do? And you said, I just wait until someone 1763 01:43:57,210 --> 01:43:58,200 comes by to help me. 1764 01:43:59,970 --> 01:44:01,950 John C Dvorak: Yeah, so you do you live in 1765 01:44:01,980 --> 01:44:04,590 Adam Curry: such a beautiful world? Everybody. I wish 1766 01:44:04,590 --> 01:44:07,710 everyone could live in your reality. Yes, yes, I know. I 1767 01:44:07,710 --> 01:44:12,180 know. Here's what the Israeli envoy did in the at the United 1768 01:44:12,180 --> 01:44:13,710 Nations Security Council, 1769 01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:16,680 Unknown: as Israel was increasingly criticized by UN 1770 01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:20,940 Security Council members for its massive bombardment of Gaza. In 1771 01:44:20,940 --> 01:44:23,910 the middle of the emergency meeting, the Israeli ambassador 1772 01:44:23,910 --> 01:44:26,190 pin the yellow status jackets. 1773 01:44:26,820 --> 01:44:31,680 Some of you have forgotten why this body was established. Just 1774 01:44:31,680 --> 01:44:34,980 like my grandparents and the grandparents of millions of 1775 01:44:34,980 --> 01:44:41,550 Jews. From now on. My team and I will wear yellow stars. We will 1776 01:44:41,550 --> 01:44:46,920 wear this star until you condemn the atrocities of hummus and 1777 01:44:46,920 --> 01:44:50,460 demand the immediate release of our hostages. 1778 01:44:50,970 --> 01:44:54,300 The gesture was swiftly criticized by Israel's Holocaust 1779 01:44:54,300 --> 01:44:57,090 Memorial, which urged the ambassador to wear the Israeli 1780 01:44:57,090 --> 01:45:01,650 flag instead, saying the ACT disgraced her locust victims, an 1781 01:45:01,650 --> 01:45:05,580 episode that illustrates the debate and deep divisions within 1782 01:45:05,580 --> 01:45:07,050 the UN Security Council. 1783 01:45:07,080 --> 01:45:10,140 Adam Curry: You know, it really sucks when? When the Jewish 1784 01:45:10,140 --> 01:45:13,650 Holocaust Museum was it take that star off? That's not right. 1785 01:45:13,740 --> 01:45:16,860 Unknown: For a draft resolutions have already been rejected since 1786 01:45:16,860 --> 01:45:20,820 the war began three weeks ago. One blocked by Russia and China 1787 01:45:20,850 --> 01:45:24,120 because it did not clearly call for a ceasefire Alliance. Others 1788 01:45:24,120 --> 01:45:27,510 stopped by the US because they failed to mention Israel's right 1789 01:45:27,510 --> 01:45:28,620 to defend itself. 1790 01:45:28,710 --> 01:45:33,540 Adam Curry: So the UN is just useless, useless. But Netanyahu 1791 01:45:33,540 --> 01:45:36,660 man, he threw out like he did the 1792 01:45:36,660 --> 01:45:40,980 John C Dvorak: speech. He really looks bad, by the way. Ah, yeah. 1793 01:45:41,250 --> 01:45:44,850 Adam Curry: He's not long for this gig, that's for sure. And 1794 01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:47,940 he threw he did a whole bunch of things and like, What are you 1795 01:45:47,940 --> 01:45:52,170 talking about? He threw out a 33. He threw out an axis of 1796 01:45:52,200 --> 01:45:56,760 evil. And well, this is just a short bit from his televised 1797 01:45:56,760 --> 01:45:59,940 speech, which is an English so I presume it's meant for the 1798 01:45:59,940 --> 01:46:01,860 international community. 1799 01:46:02,070 --> 01:46:03,960 Unknown: I'm asked as also preventing foreign nationals 1800 01:46:03,960 --> 01:46:08,760 from leaving Gaza altogether. And most despicably Hamas is 1801 01:46:08,760 --> 01:46:14,220 holding over 200 Israeli hostages, including 33 Children, 1802 01:46:14,970 --> 01:46:20,640 holding them, terrorizing them, keeping them as hostages. Every 1803 01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:24,630 civilized nation should stand with Israel, and demanding that 1804 01:46:24,630 --> 01:46:28,320 these hostages be freed immediately and freed 1805 01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:31,740 unconditionally. I want to make clear Israel's position 1806 01:46:31,740 --> 01:46:35,730 regarding the ceasefire, just as the United States would not 1807 01:46:35,730 --> 01:46:39,660 agree to a ceasefire after the bombing of Pearl Harbor, or 1808 01:46:39,660 --> 01:46:43,710 after the terrorist attacks of 911. Israel will not agree to a 1809 01:46:43,710 --> 01:46:47,040 cessation of hostilities with Hamas. After the horrific 1810 01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:48,270 attacks of October 7. 1811 01:46:48,360 --> 01:46:51,420 Adam Curry: Notice how October 7 is supposed to be the new dates 1812 01:46:51,420 --> 01:46:55,860 you know, we have 911 We have gold January 6 was worse than 1813 01:46:55,860 --> 01:46:59,250 any of this but okay, well just let not in Yeah, yeah, have it. 1814 01:46:59,460 --> 01:47:02,670 October 7. This is the date. Remember, October 7, never 1815 01:47:02,670 --> 01:47:03,150 again, 1816 01:47:03,780 --> 01:47:07,980 Unknown: calls for a ceasefire, or calls for Israel to surrender 1817 01:47:07,980 --> 01:47:10,680 to Hamas, to surrender to terrorism. 1818 01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:12,600 Adam Curry: He's not surrendering, there's not going 1819 01:47:12,600 --> 01:47:14,460 to be a ceasefire that's clear, 1820 01:47:14,790 --> 01:47:18,000 Unknown: to surrender to barbarism. barbarism, that will 1821 01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:22,590 not happen. Ladies and gentlemen, the Bible says that 1822 01:47:22,590 --> 01:47:25,410 there is a time for peace, and a time for war. 1823 01:47:25,590 --> 01:47:29,430 Adam Curry: I love this, because this is Ecclesiastes three. And 1824 01:47:29,430 --> 01:47:32,520 the actual Bible quote is there's a time for war and a 1825 01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:35,760 time for peace. But he kind of twist that around, which I think 1826 01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:36,660 is interesting. 1827 01:47:37,080 --> 01:47:41,910 Unknown: This is a time for war, a war for a common future. Today 1828 01:47:41,910 --> 01:47:45,600 we draw a line between the forces of civilization and the 1829 01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:49,410 forces of barbarism. It is a time for everyone to decide 1830 01:47:49,410 --> 01:47:50,400 where they stand. 1831 01:47:50,520 --> 01:47:52,980 Adam Curry: By the way. I don't think if I if we were to advise 1832 01:47:52,980 --> 01:47:55,650 him. I don't think we would say it's a war against civilization 1833 01:47:55,650 --> 01:48:01,200 and barbarism. But it just doesn't sound right. Terrorism 1834 01:48:01,200 --> 01:48:05,730 is a good word. Now, barbarism? Yeah, barbarism 1835 01:48:05,730 --> 01:48:07,260 John C Dvorak: is a pretty archaic term. Yeah, 1836 01:48:07,260 --> 01:48:09,570 Adam Curry: it's not a good it's not good. Doesn't 1837 01:48:09,570 --> 01:48:11,220 John C Dvorak: sound good. You could do better than that. 1838 01:48:11,250 --> 01:48:14,100 Unknown: Israel will stand against the forces of barbarism 1839 01:48:14,280 --> 01:48:18,780 until victory. I hope and pray that civilized nations 1840 01:48:18,810 --> 01:48:23,640 everywhere will back this fight. Because Israel's fight is your 1841 01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:28,500 fight because of Hamas and Iran's Axis of Evil when you 1842 01:48:28,500 --> 01:48:29,760 will be their next target. 1843 01:48:29,880 --> 01:48:32,160 Adam Curry: There you go. The Hamas. 1844 01:48:32,970 --> 01:48:35,100 John C Dvorak: Well, yeah, I have to say this, the image some 1845 01:48:35,100 --> 01:48:39,690 of the images from coming out of Gaza, talk about realizing oh, 1846 01:48:39,690 --> 01:48:43,410 yeah. And they're doing a hell of a job now I have a bunch of 1847 01:48:43,410 --> 01:48:46,650 clips from the head of Hamas, which you'll never hear on any 1848 01:48:46,950 --> 01:48:50,790 American broadcast. that I thought would be an interesting 1849 01:48:50,790 --> 01:48:53,910 contrast so we get least somewhat gets 1850 01:48:53,910 --> 01:48:55,710 Adam Curry: some get another by the way. Do you want the 1851 01:48:55,710 --> 01:48:59,670 official Arabic pronunciation guide as we requested? Oh, yes, 1852 01:48:59,670 --> 01:49:02,790 John C Dvorak: somebody wrote a saying you're pronouncing Hamas 1853 01:49:02,790 --> 01:49:08,070 wrong and and that's not Hamas and Hezbollah didn't know what 1854 01:49:08,070 --> 01:49:09,960 you're doing. So yes, I would like to hear this. 1855 01:49:09,990 --> 01:49:12,600 Adam Curry: Now. This now this now this is controversial, of 1856 01:49:12,600 --> 01:49:17,430 course, because this is the Arabic way of pronouncing Hamas 1857 01:49:17,430 --> 01:49:22,140 and Hezbollah. Not the Israeli way. Alright, so there's a 1858 01:49:22,140 --> 01:49:25,830 difference. So this is the Arabic pronunciation of what I 1859 01:49:25,830 --> 01:49:33,810 was saying Hamas No. Mas Nash. Hamas is not the same as Hamas. 1860 01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:34,410 Okay. Not 1861 01:49:34,440 --> 01:49:36,390 John C Dvorak: the mass. Mass Now, 1862 01:49:36,420 --> 01:49:39,390 Adam Curry: the important one is Hezbollah or is it Hezbollah? 1863 01:49:39,450 --> 01:49:43,650 What is it this this will be as important as key or key F? This 1864 01:49:43,650 --> 01:49:48,570 will be how you identify yourself as Hezbollah, 1865 01:49:49,050 --> 01:49:49,980 John C Dvorak: Hezbollah, 1866 01:49:50,430 --> 01:49:51,510 Adam Curry: Hezbollah, 1867 01:49:51,810 --> 01:49:52,740 John C Dvorak: Hezbollah 1868 01:49:52,770 --> 01:49:55,860 Adam Curry: Hezbollah whoa la Hezbollah okay, just 1869 01:49:56,040 --> 01:49:58,470 John C Dvorak: we're gonna keep going our merry way was Hamas 1870 01:49:58,470 --> 01:50:03,480 and Hamas As a law law law, I'm not going to pronounce it that 1871 01:50:04,199 --> 01:50:05,069 Adam Curry: has read. 1872 01:50:07,649 --> 01:50:10,499 John C Dvorak: So this was, I believe on Al Jazeera or 1873 01:50:10,499 --> 01:50:16,859 someplace and it was the hammer the Hamas to Hamas leader and I 1874 01:50:16,859 --> 01:50:19,529 just thought it was interesting because there's an analysis in 1875 01:50:19,529 --> 01:50:21,569 the third clip that's unique. 1876 01:50:22,470 --> 01:50:25,080 Unknown: I'm asked his political leader has given a televised 1877 01:50:25,110 --> 01:50:29,220 address in it smell honey, I accused Israel's Prime Minister 1878 01:50:29,220 --> 01:50:29,580 of this 1879 01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:32,910 Adam Curry: is his name Ishmael. Literally is 1880 01:50:32,910 --> 01:50:36,960 John C Dvorak: it by started over and now listen to the way 1881 01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:39,840 he does. This is Algis zero, so they're gonna pronounce it the 1882 01:50:39,870 --> 01:50:44,190 Arab Arab way. Yes. And I didn't just different. 1883 01:50:44,790 --> 01:50:48,090 Unknown: It's it's Melania, Israel's Prime Minister of 1884 01:50:48,090 --> 01:50:52,200 destroying the entire region to save himself and his family from 1885 01:50:52,200 --> 01:50:55,860 prison. He said Hamas had offered Benjamin Netanyahu was 1886 01:50:55,860 --> 01:50:59,820 government a prisoner swap deal as a start of a way out of the 1887 01:50:59,820 --> 01:51:02,910 conflict now, and he called on countries, especially the United 1888 01:51:02,910 --> 01:51:07,980 States to stop supplying weapons to Israel. All right. 1889 01:51:09,270 --> 01:51:12,780 John C Dvorak: So this has to do with Netanyahu getting arrested? 1890 01:51:13,740 --> 01:51:21,360 Yeah, I mean, that's, that's why Hamas, and you're doing this 1891 01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:26,010 attack to begin with to help him I mean, this. Okay, well, let's 1892 01:51:26,190 --> 01:51:29,370 like, just let's just listen to this guy. Oh, anything? Yeah. 1893 01:51:29,910 --> 01:51:31,740 Unknown: What are the major reasons for this war was 1894 01:51:31,740 --> 01:51:35,550 Netanyahu who's leading a far right racist and fascist group, 1895 01:51:35,700 --> 01:51:38,130 and is thinking of saving himself and his family from 1896 01:51:38,130 --> 01:51:40,950 prison, even at the expense of destroying the entire region. 1897 01:51:41,610 --> 01:51:44,400 Before the war, we met with all the parties about the continued 1898 01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:47,370 rule of Netanyahu and his fascist government, about their 1899 01:51:47,370 --> 01:51:48,780 reckless behavior. Wow. So 1900 01:51:48,810 --> 01:51:52,110 Adam Curry: he's so these guys are in line with the protesters 1901 01:51:52,440 --> 01:51:54,480 who were protesting Netanyahu. 1902 01:51:56,820 --> 01:51:59,370 John C Dvorak: You talked about the protesters in Israel? Yes. 1903 01:52:00,420 --> 01:52:02,400 Adam Curry: He said we when we met with all the groups Oh, you 1904 01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:02,730 know that 1905 01:52:02,730 --> 01:52:06,060 John C Dvorak: this is the weird thing about it is is the queers 1906 01:52:06,060 --> 01:52:11,400 for Palestine. Let's keep going. Look, wait. If you look into the 1907 01:52:11,490 --> 01:52:14,370 that judicial thing, and you really start digging into it, it 1908 01:52:14,370 --> 01:52:17,370 goes back to one of the justices who became the head of it back 1909 01:52:17,370 --> 01:52:21,060 in the 90s, who was a super progressive that started 1910 01:52:21,060 --> 01:52:24,180 implementing all kinds of I would hate to use the word I'm 1911 01:52:24,180 --> 01:52:28,380 not going to like it woke policies in Israel, right and 1912 01:52:28,380 --> 01:52:31,020 started introducing, in fact, there was a picture in the 1913 01:52:31,020 --> 01:52:36,510 Israeli Jerusalem news, saying that Tel Aviv is the world's 1914 01:52:36,630 --> 01:52:43,620 World's Biggest gay city. Yes, there's something up with trans 1915 01:52:43,620 --> 01:52:49,830 Maoism, the Israeli judicial system, and Palestine. And it's 1916 01:52:49,890 --> 01:52:54,390 none of it makes any real sense. But it's interesting to kind of 1917 01:52:54,420 --> 01:52:56,970 let these guys talk and go figure it out. I 1918 01:52:56,970 --> 01:52:58,740 Adam Curry: think it makes perfect sense what I'm hearing 1919 01:52:58,740 --> 01:53:01,860 him say, well, listen again. He said, I met with all the groups 1920 01:53:01,860 --> 01:53:06,210 who hated Netanyahu because he's a dictator, which is all 1921 01:53:06,210 --> 01:53:10,230 predicate and all based on this these protests, including the 1922 01:53:10,350 --> 01:53:15,210 factions of the IDF. We had the clips, even the lesbian 1923 01:53:15,390 --> 01:53:18,090 helicopter pilot, who said, Oh, no, we're just not going to 1924 01:53:18,090 --> 01:53:21,480 serve this guy anymore. We're not going to participate. And 1925 01:53:21,480 --> 01:53:25,530 now this, this Izmail guy is saying, Well, we had meetings 1926 01:53:25,530 --> 01:53:28,620 with them. And you know, this, Netanyahu is a bad guy. He's 1927 01:53:28,620 --> 01:53:31,380 gotta go because you know, Quaestor, Palestine, I guess 1928 01:53:31,410 --> 01:53:33,660 Unknown: foldable, we met with all the parties about the 1929 01:53:33,660 --> 01:53:36,840 continued rule of Netanyahu and his fascist government, but 1930 01:53:36,840 --> 01:53:40,260 their reckless behavior, desecrating Christian and Muslim 1931 01:53:40,260 --> 01:53:43,110 holy sites, continuing with illegal and unlawful 1932 01:53:43,110 --> 01:53:46,680 settlements, unleashing settlers to kill and harass our people. 1933 01:53:47,400 --> 01:53:50,880 We have warned repeatedly that this will not go on punished, it 1934 01:53:50,880 --> 01:53:54,210 will explode at any time to curb this criminal and his gang. 1935 01:53:54,750 --> 01:53:58,350 Unfortunately, these warnings fell on deaf ears as our allies 1936 01:53:58,350 --> 01:54:01,620 continued to back him with his racist fascist policies. 1937 01:54:01,650 --> 01:54:06,240 Adam Curry: Well, what happened to death to Jews? That's what 1938 01:54:06,240 --> 01:54:09,480 this guy is supposed to be saying. No, it's all deaf to 1939 01:54:09,480 --> 01:54:11,820 Netanyahu. This is this is very interesting. 1940 01:54:11,850 --> 01:54:14,940 Unknown: Here we are. Once again, Netanyahu has no problem 1941 01:54:14,940 --> 01:54:18,480 to turn the entire region into scorched land, or simply to save 1942 01:54:18,480 --> 01:54:21,510 himself and those around him. The movement has provided a 1943 01:54:21,510 --> 01:54:23,880 comprehensive perspective, starting by ending the 1944 01:54:23,880 --> 01:54:27,240 aggression, opening the border, the prisoner swap deal, and 1945 01:54:27,240 --> 01:54:29,910 ending with a revival of the political and diplomatic 1946 01:54:29,910 --> 01:54:32,520 movement towards the establishment of an independent 1947 01:54:32,520 --> 01:54:35,820 state of Jerusalem as its capital with a right of self 1948 01:54:35,820 --> 01:54:39,360 determination. However, Netanyahu and his gang are 1949 01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:42,810 misleading his own people and providing false promises, which 1950 01:54:42,810 --> 01:54:44,550 cannot or will not be achieved. 1951 01:54:45,120 --> 01:54:48,330 Adam Curry: Wow, this is very interesting. I mean, who knows 1952 01:54:48,330 --> 01:54:50,520 what the truth is, of course, but this 1953 01:54:50,550 --> 01:54:52,530 John C Dvorak: this we have to everyone's life. 1954 01:54:53,160 --> 01:54:54,630 Adam Curry: Everybody's fault of it. Yeah. 1955 01:54:54,930 --> 01:54:57,900 John C Dvorak: But at least you get their side of the their side 1956 01:54:57,900 --> 01:54:58,200 of it. 1957 01:54:58,200 --> 01:55:01,050 Adam Curry: So he's saying what he's saying Because Netanyahu 1958 01:55:01,050 --> 01:55:05,820 himself is stopping the peaceful ideas that are on the table, 1959 01:55:06,360 --> 01:55:10,710 which is Am I hearing to state solution with Jerusalem as an 1960 01:55:10,710 --> 01:55:11,790 independent study 1961 01:55:11,850 --> 01:55:17,430 John C Dvorak: kind of said yeah. Okay. Jerusalem being the 1962 01:55:17,430 --> 01:55:21,210 capital of the New Palestine is a non starter no matter that's 1963 01:55:21,210 --> 01:55:23,850 not gonna happen I like to think now although it's kind of a 1964 01:55:23,850 --> 01:55:27,450 divided city as it is. Alright. Now we get to part three which 1965 01:55:27,450 --> 01:55:29,640 has an analysis in here I thought was interesting. 1966 01:55:29,820 --> 01:55:32,040 Unknown: We remind the countries and states supporting the 1967 01:55:32,040 --> 01:55:35,580 Zionist regime legitimizing the pogrom perpetrated by them 1968 01:55:35,610 --> 01:55:39,060 against our people, chiefly the United States of America, we 1969 01:55:39,060 --> 01:55:42,030 remind them that they must back down on these obsolete 1970 01:55:42,030 --> 01:55:45,510 imperialistic policies and refrain from providing military 1971 01:55:45,510 --> 01:55:49,500 aid to this fascist regime. We call on them to stop preventing 1972 01:55:49,500 --> 01:55:52,800 the international will, aiming at ending the hostilities and 1973 01:55:52,800 --> 01:55:55,860 opening the border crossings. This is what we witnessed in the 1974 01:55:55,860 --> 01:55:59,160 UN General Assembly to them and we say you are standing on the 1975 01:55:59,160 --> 01:56:02,400 other side of history, the present, the region and beyond 1976 01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:05,430 cannot enjoy peace and stability. As long as our 1977 01:56:05,430 --> 01:56:08,100 established rights of the Palestinians are not restored, 1978 01:56:08,490 --> 01:56:10,920 the rights of freedom, the independence and the return of 1979 01:56:10,920 --> 01:56:11,610 refugees. 1980 01:56:13,320 --> 01:56:16,500 Joining us from Washington, DC now is Benjamin Friedman. He's 1981 01:56:16,500 --> 01:56:20,490 the policy director at defense priorities a US foreign policy 1982 01:56:20,490 --> 01:56:25,080 think tank. Okay. So what do you think is her massive strategy 1983 01:56:25,080 --> 01:56:29,280 here? Even as we continue to see Israel's relentless bombardment? 1984 01:56:29,310 --> 01:56:29,970 Well, it 1985 01:56:29,970 --> 01:56:36,300 seems like Hamas is now eager to get public opinion globally on 1986 01:56:36,300 --> 01:56:41,850 their side and push Israel to negotiate some kind of 1987 01:56:42,090 --> 01:56:46,980 settlement. I don't think Hamas imagines that they'll get a real 1988 01:56:46,980 --> 01:56:50,910 movement towards Palestinians, Palestinian state and with 1989 01:56:50,910 --> 01:56:53,520 Jerusalem as its capital anytime in the near future by that 1990 01:56:53,520 --> 01:56:59,490 thereby sounding reasonable. More like the PLO, or the non 1991 01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:02,580 annihilationist. Palestinian movement, I guess they think 1992 01:57:02,580 --> 01:57:05,940 they can get get a win more public support and maybe 1993 01:57:06,690 --> 01:57:11,010 increased pressure on Israel to stop the stop the war and 1994 01:57:11,010 --> 01:57:11,670 negotiate. 1995 01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:20,070 John C Dvorak: Okay, so that seems to be working. Because of 1996 01:57:20,070 --> 01:57:23,190 all the protests we see in this country with all these kids. And 1997 01:57:23,190 --> 01:57:25,800 who's, like I said in the newsletter, there's a picture in 1998 01:57:25,800 --> 01:57:30,540 there, who's producing all these Palestinian flags? Yeah, that's 1999 01:57:30,540 --> 01:57:31,530 a money maker. 2000 01:57:32,670 --> 01:57:34,980 Adam Curry: The same people did the Ukraine flags. Hello? 2001 01:57:35,820 --> 01:57:38,310 John C Dvorak: Yeah, yeah. Well, whoever those people that flag 2002 01:57:38,310 --> 01:57:41,130 company should, you know, this should go public. So let's just 2003 01:57:41,280 --> 01:57:42,030 get into this. 2004 01:57:42,390 --> 01:57:46,290 Unknown: In your view, does Israel actually have an end game 2005 01:57:46,290 --> 01:57:49,530 here? Or is this largely about vengeance? 2006 01:57:50,220 --> 01:57:54,480 It seems like vengeance is playing a large role. If it's 2007 01:57:54,480 --> 01:57:57,990 not all that's going on, it's hard to figure out what the 2008 01:57:57,990 --> 01:58:04,110 Israeli endgame is, or you know, how this war serves a political 2009 01:58:04,110 --> 01:58:07,830 and they say they want to annihilate Hamas. That's easy to 2010 01:58:07,830 --> 01:58:14,310 understand, given what happened on the seventh, but it's it's I 2011 01:58:14,310 --> 01:58:19,080 think, not going to be possible to have anyone run Gaza, as long 2012 01:58:19,080 --> 01:58:22,500 as there's Palestinians there, other than Hamas, or something 2013 01:58:22,500 --> 01:58:26,640 that looks like it, Hamas 2.0, maybe a more radical ISIS 2.0 2014 01:58:26,970 --> 01:58:30,720 version. So I don't think the Israelis want to be in charge of 2015 01:58:30,720 --> 01:58:35,280 Gaza, running it as a police state. So it's difficult for me 2016 01:58:35,280 --> 01:58:37,980 to figure out where they think, where they think this is all 2017 01:58:37,980 --> 01:58:41,760 headed other than maybe just going day by day and killing as 2018 01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:45,810 many Hamas fighters as they can and figuring the politics will 2019 01:58:46,620 --> 01:58:47,910 be worked out eventually. 2020 01:58:48,600 --> 01:58:53,370 How concerned do you think is America not to get drawn into a 2021 01:58:53,370 --> 01:58:57,480 wider regional conflict? And yet, there's still no call from 2022 01:58:57,480 --> 01:58:58,890 Joe Biden for a ceasefire? 2023 01:58:58,980 --> 01:59:03,720 Well, yeah, the President hasn't called for a ceasefire, beyond 2024 01:59:03,720 --> 01:59:07,410 this humanitarian pause thing that the administration has been 2025 01:59:07,410 --> 01:59:10,710 repeating. And I don't think they will. I don't think they 2026 01:59:10,710 --> 01:59:14,460 feel whatever there is in their deepest hearts. I don't think 2027 01:59:14,460 --> 01:59:19,770 they feel politically able to separate themselves that much 2028 01:59:19,770 --> 01:59:26,430 from Israel. So I think avoiding escalation should be the US main 2029 01:59:26,430 --> 01:59:29,850 goal, most realistic goal politically and avoiding getting 2030 01:59:29,850 --> 01:59:33,540 drawn into war with Iran. And one way I think we do that is by 2031 01:59:33,540 --> 01:59:38,910 limiting the damage Iranian proxy forces are linked militias 2032 01:59:38,910 --> 01:59:42,480 in Iraq and Syria can do, which means I think getting our forces 2033 01:59:42,480 --> 01:59:46,560 out of Iraq and particularly Syria, which I think we should 2034 01:59:46,560 --> 01:59:48,120 have left years ago in any case. 2035 01:59:48,780 --> 01:59:52,590 Adam Curry: Okay, so there's so many people Bennett first of 2036 01:59:52,590 --> 01:59:56,400 all, war is great for business. Great. War is a racket Smedley 2037 01:59:56,400 --> 01:59:56,910 Butler, 2038 01:59:57,300 --> 01:59:59,370 John C Dvorak: and it is great for business. We talked about 2039 01:59:59,370 --> 02:00:02,910 this in the horror would show wartime economies are always 2040 02:00:02,910 --> 02:00:07,050 winners. But after the war, it's a nightmare. Yeah, like after 2041 02:00:07,050 --> 02:00:11,670 Vietnam? Yeah, the 70s were a nightmare. So, 2042 02:00:12,030 --> 02:00:15,690 Adam Curry: on one hand, we have the political part, which is, 2043 02:00:15,960 --> 02:00:19,440 Hey, man, we should call for a pause. Come on Israel, you 2044 02:00:19,440 --> 02:00:23,010 should pause not ceasefire, but we call it a pause, this and 2045 02:00:23,010 --> 02:00:26,610 then we have the White House and the Democrat party in America 2046 02:00:26,880 --> 02:00:33,780 are all pro pro Palestine, let's just call it anti Islamophobic. 2047 02:00:33,960 --> 02:00:37,710 And then we have the Republican side, which is the crazy 2048 02:00:37,710 --> 02:00:40,860 Christian, Mike Johnson, oh, he's gonna give more money and 2049 02:00:40,860 --> 02:00:45,420 more weapons to the Jews. So you can see how these lines are 2050 02:00:45,420 --> 02:00:48,930 being divided. I mean, it's so obvious. And the true winner, of 2051 02:00:48,930 --> 02:00:52,020 course, is the military industrial complex. And they are 2052 02:00:52,050 --> 02:00:57,570 all over this thing. Like, yeah, let's get into Iran. Yeah, come 2053 02:00:57,570 --> 02:00:58,740 on ABC do some 2054 02:00:58,740 --> 02:01:02,730 Unknown: stories us launch retaliatory strikes this week in 2055 02:01:02,730 --> 02:01:07,860 Syria, against Iranian proxy rocks, there was an attack the 2056 02:01:07,860 --> 02:01:11,880 next day on American troops, there have been about 20. So 2057 02:01:11,880 --> 02:01:14,940 far, is Iran really getting the message? And if they don't, what 2058 02:01:14,940 --> 02:01:15,630 happens? 2059 02:01:15,840 --> 02:01:17,610 Adam Curry: Well, the President has been very straightforward on 2060 02:01:17,610 --> 02:01:20,850 this. If American troops are attacked by Iran, and its 2061 02:01:20,850 --> 02:01:25,860 proxies, we will respond, we did respond, if attacks continue, we 2062 02:01:25,860 --> 02:01:29,550 will respond. And I think the Iranians understand our message. 2063 02:01:29,880 --> 02:01:32,910 And we, of course, are taking every measure necessary to 2064 02:01:32,910 --> 02:01:37,380 protect our forces, to increase our vigilance, and to work with 2065 02:01:37,380 --> 02:01:41,190 other countries in the region to try to keep this conflict that 2066 02:01:41,190 --> 02:01:44,310 is currently in Israel and Gaza, from spinning out into a 2067 02:01:44,310 --> 02:01:47,340 regional conflict. But the risk is real. And therefore vigilance 2068 02:01:47,340 --> 02:01:50,700 is high. And the steps that we're taking to deter that and 2069 02:01:50,700 --> 02:01:54,840 prevent that are serious, systematic and ongoing, the bulk 2070 02:01:54,840 --> 02:01:58,620 of the steps we're taking to get into the war, we just need to 2071 02:01:58,620 --> 02:02:02,430 drop one word proxies. If we can just say Iran instead of uranium 2072 02:02:02,430 --> 02:02:03,000 proxy, 2073 02:02:03,000 --> 02:02:05,340 John C Dvorak: there's no where's the evidence of this? 2074 02:02:05,340 --> 02:02:05,880 Zero? 2075 02:02:05,910 --> 02:02:07,650 Adam Curry: There's no evidence. How about this? 2076 02:02:07,680 --> 02:02:11,430 John C Dvorak: This has Gulf of Tonkin written all over it? Oh, 2077 02:02:11,430 --> 02:02:14,610 no, they're attacked us again. Oh, let's show some pictures. 2078 02:02:15,180 --> 02:02:22,260 Adam Curry: So I got a note from a father of a father or uncle of 2079 02:02:22,260 --> 02:02:26,550 one of the one of the servicemen who is indeed at a Ford 2080 02:02:26,550 --> 02:02:29,970 operating base in Syria. I mean, this is all true. We have bases 2081 02:02:29,970 --> 02:02:34,020 there. I mean, it's not like a huge base like Iraq, the green 2082 02:02:34,020 --> 02:02:36,810 zone, but of course, we got bases there. We need to spend 2083 02:02:36,810 --> 02:02:41,100 more money on military. And here is the Deutsche Avella. 2084 02:02:41,130 --> 02:02:42,960 John C Dvorak: We weren't, by the way, it should be mentioned, 2085 02:02:42,960 --> 02:02:45,930 we were never allowed to have the base there by the country 2086 02:02:45,930 --> 02:02:49,890 itself by the sovereign nation. No, no, it's not like our bases 2087 02:02:49,890 --> 02:02:52,470 in Germany where you know, they like is there. Could we spend 2088 02:02:52,470 --> 02:02:56,670 money? Yeah, we're not doing anything for the Syrian economy, 2089 02:02:56,670 --> 02:02:57,540 I can assure you. 2090 02:02:58,650 --> 02:03:00,870 Adam Curry: Here's Deutsche Avella, asking what an 2091 02:03:00,870 --> 02:03:03,480 escalation in the region could mean, 2092 02:03:03,629 --> 02:03:05,729 Unknown: before Russia's invasion of Ukraine, there was 2093 02:03:05,729 --> 02:03:08,609 relatively little public awareness of how much the world 2094 02:03:08,609 --> 02:03:12,299 relied on Ukraine for the supply of grain, or how much Europe 2095 02:03:12,299 --> 02:03:15,959 dependent on Russia for its energy supply. Now, as the 2096 02:03:15,959 --> 02:03:19,109 devastating conflict continues to unfold in the Middle East, 2097 02:03:19,349 --> 02:03:21,779 some are beginning to wonder what the bigger economic 2098 02:03:21,779 --> 02:03:23,219 ramifications might be. 2099 02:03:23,250 --> 02:03:25,110 Adam Curry: What do you think? What do you think the bigger 2100 02:03:25,110 --> 02:03:29,130 economic ramifications might be? Could it be dead people? are 2101 02:03:29,130 --> 02:03:32,190 babies die worse than your babies we kill your babies 2102 02:03:32,190 --> 02:03:34,320 better is that what's important? 2103 02:03:36,030 --> 02:03:38,190 Unknown: Especially when it comes to the global supply of 2104 02:03:38,220 --> 02:03:42,510 oil you go be affected if Iran were to become more embroiled in 2105 02:03:42,510 --> 02:03:46,080 the conflict. The region is also a key shipping route with 2106 02:03:46,080 --> 02:03:49,290 disruption to key waterways like the Suez Canal and the Strait of 2107 02:03:49,290 --> 02:03:53,070 Hormuz, potentially causing delays in deliveries. And 2108 02:03:53,070 --> 02:03:56,580 Earlier I spoke to Carsten jetski, Chief Economist at ING, 2109 02:03:56,820 --> 02:04:00,630 I asked him what a possible escalation involving Iran could 2110 02:04:00,630 --> 02:04:02,730 mean for the global supply of oil. 2111 02:04:03,000 --> 02:04:05,940 Indeed, I think this is where this contract will have bigger 2112 02:04:05,940 --> 02:04:08,850 repercussions for the rest of the world. So just looking at 2113 02:04:08,850 --> 02:04:13,680 trade is is very naive. But oil is an extremely important one we 2114 02:04:13,680 --> 02:04:18,210 saw already when when the the terroristic attacks on Israel 2115 02:04:18,210 --> 02:04:22,920 have started, that oil price has started to surge. If you're one 2116 02:04:22,920 --> 02:04:26,130 way or the other was to be involved in this conflict, Iran 2117 02:04:26,130 --> 02:04:30,720 being an important producer of oil, if the entire Middle East 2118 02:04:30,840 --> 02:04:34,170 would somehow or one way or the other be involved in this 2119 02:04:34,170 --> 02:04:38,910 conflict. With as a result, maybe even sanctions coming from 2120 02:04:38,910 --> 02:04:41,790 the US on Iran on other countries. This would then 2121 02:04:41,790 --> 02:04:46,410 clearly have a big impact on oil producing countries. Therefore 2122 02:04:46,410 --> 02:04:50,670 we would see all prices going up. If this if this conflict was 2123 02:04:50,670 --> 02:04:55,500 to escalate, we could really see all prices going above $100 per 2124 02:04:55,500 --> 02:04:56,700 barrel very easily. 2125 02:04:56,759 --> 02:05:01,559 Adam Curry: Oh, oh, at least we know what's important. The 2126 02:05:01,559 --> 02:05:08,159 conflict escalates, oil will get more expensive. It's also 2127 02:05:08,159 --> 02:05:14,309 cynical. Yeah, just cynical. Meanwhile, America, please, 2128 02:05:14,309 --> 02:05:18,749 whatever you do, keep watching this Middle East region. Pay no 2129 02:05:18,749 --> 02:05:22,199 attention to the Venezuelans freezing to the sidewalks in 2130 02:05:22,199 --> 02:05:22,919 Chicago 2131 02:05:22,950 --> 02:05:26,310 Unknown: for Mike and re migrant families deeply concerned about 2132 02:05:26,310 --> 02:05:30,000 the harsh elements not knowing how much longer it'll be before 2133 02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:33,210 they get moved to shelters. And as you might imagine parents 2134 02:05:33,390 --> 02:05:36,840 especially worried about their kids go no more parents say 2135 02:05:36,840 --> 02:05:41,490 exposure to the cold is making their kids sick. I said we don't 2136 02:05:41,490 --> 02:05:44,400 know what to do this event as well and mother of three 2137 02:05:44,400 --> 02:05:48,570 confesses with the inevitable arrival of snow and bitter cold. 2138 02:05:48,720 --> 02:05:53,490 We feel that one way or another. She says we're trapped. For now 2139 02:05:53,490 --> 02:05:58,290 at least no CTA warming buses in the afternoon. Outside the snow 2140 02:05:58,290 --> 02:06:02,250 cap tent village housing homeless immigrants at Chicago's 2141 02:06:02,250 --> 02:06:06,630 19 police district. It's not just the father tells us that 2142 02:06:06,630 --> 02:06:10,470 police officers are denying an indoor space for my son He 2143 02:06:10,470 --> 02:06:14,040 alleges. We reached out to police to get their assessment 2144 02:06:14,160 --> 02:06:18,060 on sleeping arrangements at the 19th District news affairs 2145 02:06:18,060 --> 02:06:21,180 referring us to the mayor's office. You may be wondering if 2146 02:06:21,210 --> 02:06:25,350 Illinois child welfare agency has concerns about kids spending 2147 02:06:25,350 --> 02:06:30,420 their days nights in the cold DCFS spokesperson says that the 2148 02:06:30,420 --> 02:06:34,260 agency hasn't received any complaints, but didn't respond 2149 02:06:34,260 --> 02:06:37,410 to a follow up question about whether it would investigate or 2150 02:06:37,410 --> 02:06:41,400 intervene on migrants behalf and the mayor's press office in an 2151 02:06:41,430 --> 02:06:45,180 evening news release reporting that warming buses are being 2152 02:06:45,180 --> 02:06:48,990 provided by the Chicago Transit Authority. And they are being 2153 02:06:48,990 --> 02:06:54,630 positioned at 16 police districts from 8pm until 8am. 2154 02:06:56,880 --> 02:07:00,150 Adam Curry: You know, it's 24 degrees and snowing in Chicago. 2155 02:07:01,140 --> 02:07:05,610 This is this is here's our problems. Leave everything else 2156 02:07:05,610 --> 02:07:08,220 for what it is for a moment because that's all political. 2157 02:07:09,420 --> 02:07:11,940 And then these mind these migrants. Here's I 2158 02:07:11,940 --> 02:07:15,390 John C Dvorak: didn't have warming buses. Yeah. You get to 2159 02:07:15,390 --> 02:07:16,170 go on board the 2160 02:07:16,170 --> 02:07:19,560 Adam Curry: bus from warm up. That's pathetic. So here's 2161 02:07:20,010 --> 02:07:23,910 here's proof that the pictures you see of the southern border 2162 02:07:23,940 --> 02:07:28,350 are just theater. I mean, it's real, of course, Haiti shots 2163 02:07:28,350 --> 02:07:32,310 flights to sneak migrants to USA, Haiti sick of it. People go 2164 02:07:32,310 --> 02:07:35,730 into Haiti, getting on a plane flying into America where they 2165 02:07:35,730 --> 02:07:40,200 get their paperwork right there in Haiti. El Salvador says, you 2166 02:07:40,200 --> 02:07:43,620 know, if you're coming from Africa, you want to go to 2167 02:07:43,620 --> 02:07:46,200 America through El Salvador, we're gonna charge you 1000 2168 02:07:46,200 --> 02:07:51,000 bucks now. You land here $1,000 Plus tax then you can stay at 2169 02:07:51,000 --> 02:07:54,900 our airport before it's time for you to fly on there being flown 2170 02:07:54,930 --> 02:08:04,890 in Turks and Caicos 15 daily flights. We're being hoodwinked. 2171 02:08:05,730 --> 02:08:10,110 Amy, Amy Pope is brilliant. She She keeps us focused on the 2172 02:08:10,110 --> 02:08:14,100 migrants coming across the Rio Grande. Mark Hall just told me 2173 02:08:14,100 --> 02:08:18,870 Sir Mark Holly says Ecuador, Panama, all these countries that 2174 02:08:18,900 --> 02:08:21,240 they're people, that's where they get their debit cards. 2175 02:08:21,270 --> 02:08:22,920 They're lining up there. 2176 02:08:25,200 --> 02:08:26,820 John C Dvorak: It's a business it's 2177 02:08:26,820 --> 02:08:30,540 Adam Curry: a business. It's a business. As long as we just we 2178 02:08:30,540 --> 02:08:32,730 can just be honest about and just say this is what's going 2179 02:08:32,730 --> 02:08:36,870 on. We're being we're being duped by our media, whatever, 2180 02:08:36,900 --> 02:08:41,250 whatever it can be called Media break. No, they 2181 02:08:41,340 --> 02:08:43,170 John C Dvorak: they do what they're told. Yes, 2182 02:08:43,200 --> 02:08:45,210 Adam Curry: like stories like this. Speaking of 2183 02:08:45,210 --> 02:08:47,580 Unknown: Florida, the governor and presidential candidate Ron 2184 02:08:47,580 --> 02:08:50,130 DeSantis is making news first footwear 2185 02:08:50,160 --> 02:08:53,970 so according to Politico, three people described as experts shoe 2186 02:08:53,970 --> 02:08:57,690 makers say DeSantis appears to be wearing height boosters 2187 02:08:57,690 --> 02:09:01,230 inside his cowboy boots to make them self appear taller. 2188 02:09:01,590 --> 02:09:05,220 Some observers have commented about his strangely shaped 2189 02:09:05,220 --> 02:09:09,600 cowboy boots, but the governor who says he's 511 denies using 2190 02:09:09,600 --> 02:09:11,760 lifts saying his boots are standard 2191 02:09:11,849 --> 02:09:14,489 Adam Curry: off the rack. Yeah, this is this is the headlines. 2192 02:09:15,179 --> 02:09:17,309 John C Dvorak: No, this this story was everywhere. Yeah, 2193 02:09:17,309 --> 02:09:19,919 that's what I mean. He had him on Sunday talk show he was 2194 02:09:19,919 --> 02:09:22,559 sitting there and they asked him his height Bill Maher, 2195 02:09:22,950 --> 02:09:25,590 Adam Curry: and Bill Maher. Yeah, no, no, it 2196 02:09:25,590 --> 02:09:28,140 John C Dvorak: was I think there was I saw it as some mill. Okay. 2197 02:09:28,230 --> 02:09:33,690 Yeah. But they he's so he's probably a 510 guy. He's like, 2198 02:09:33,690 --> 02:09:36,600 feels bad about the fact that Trump's like was six to six 2199 02:09:36,600 --> 02:09:42,660 three. Trump's a big tall dude. Get fat and he's a little guys 2200 02:09:42,810 --> 02:09:46,770 five tastes not a petite male like you know some people he's a 2201 02:09:46,770 --> 02:09:50,250 stocky, stocky stock easily stuck. Yeah, kind of stuck it 2202 02:09:50,250 --> 02:09:53,580 but 510 I believe is the average height for the American male. 2203 02:09:53,610 --> 02:09:56,490 Yeah, but the whole point like a midget 2204 02:09:56,519 --> 02:09:58,709 Adam Curry: but that's the that's the headline news. That's 2205 02:09:58,709 --> 02:10:02,639 what Oh, it's good. I just got lifted, lifts political 2206 02:10:02,669 --> 02:10:06,539 political, the best unit of political reporting the United 2207 02:10:06,539 --> 02:10:10,769 States. He's lying about his height. Dude. 2208 02:10:12,570 --> 02:10:16,710 John C Dvorak: We're so lost. It is pathetic. Well, I have 2209 02:10:16,710 --> 02:10:19,830 another fatigue thing because this got played this is a talk 2210 02:10:19,830 --> 02:10:24,450 video. Oh ticklish thing got played all over the place. And 2211 02:10:24,480 --> 02:10:27,960 I'm convinced now just instead of doing the punch line, I'll do 2212 02:10:27,960 --> 02:10:31,890 it the beginning. I believe that people have been suckered by 2213 02:10:31,890 --> 02:10:37,320 this is bold crap. Some guy. It's like a two cameras. What's 2214 02:10:37,320 --> 02:10:40,650 not a two camera shoot, but there's this character is going 2215 02:10:40,650 --> 02:10:45,180 around bitching about being called Sir. Yes. I've seen 2216 02:10:45,180 --> 02:10:48,330 people play it and one of the people that played it on their 2217 02:10:48,330 --> 02:10:54,030 podcast you and I both know. She goes on and plays it straight is 2218 02:10:54,030 --> 02:10:58,560 oh my god has gone too far. This guy's full of crap. This is set 2219 02:10:58,560 --> 02:11:02,910 up. Who's taken the movie A and then it gets weirder and 2220 02:11:02,910 --> 02:11:07,140 weirder, as if no one notices. That guy's eating like three 2221 02:11:07,140 --> 02:11:10,590 dozen oysters. He's at the fanciest restaurants in town. 2222 02:11:10,770 --> 02:11:14,580 Then he's at a frat at the ends up in he's in a French bistro. 2223 02:11:14,940 --> 02:11:19,500 Dressed up as some sort of French looking guy with a dog. 2224 02:11:19,500 --> 02:11:22,800 He's got a dog and he pushes around in the thing. That dog is 2225 02:11:22,800 --> 02:11:27,030 dressed with it with a Baray and it's stupid. 2226 02:11:27,390 --> 02:11:29,880 Adam Curry: We're podcasting who played it. I don't know who 2227 02:11:29,880 --> 02:11:31,260 played on their podcast. 2228 02:11:32,160 --> 02:11:34,140 John C Dvorak: There's somebody named Natalie that we both know. 2229 02:11:34,170 --> 02:11:36,420 Adam Curry: Oh, goodness, um, that podcast. That's not a 2230 02:11:36,420 --> 02:11:37,890 positive YouTube show. 2231 02:11:38,310 --> 02:11:40,770 John C Dvorak: The outcome was a YouTube show that people 2232 02:11:40,770 --> 02:11:44,340 everywhere had been playing this thing is as an example of Oz. 2233 02:11:44,490 --> 02:11:46,860 Oh, the pronoun things gotten too far. But it's really not 2234 02:11:46,860 --> 02:11:50,610 easy to do it pronouns is about this guy being called sir. And 2235 02:11:50,910 --> 02:11:56,010 now we can play it and assume that this is bull crap. Tock 2236 02:11:56,040 --> 02:11:57,270 tock, tick tock. 2237 02:12:00,360 --> 02:12:05,340 Unknown: Looks like he's having a nice fifth share. So it's 2238 02:12:05,340 --> 02:12:10,170 okay. It's all good. But it was not all good. I use she her 2239 02:12:10,170 --> 02:12:14,220 pronouns. I'm not sir. Yeah, like it's like a knife in the 2240 02:12:14,220 --> 02:12:17,940 heart. I also did specifically ask ahead of time not to be 2241 02:12:17,940 --> 02:12:19,380 called sir. Yeah, I'm just gonna go 2242 02:12:28,980 --> 02:12:32,820 always like a knife. It always hurts. No, every single time. I 2243 02:12:32,820 --> 02:12:34,710 was wondering if there's a manager I could talk to about 2244 02:12:34,710 --> 02:12:39,030 something that happened. Yeah, I was called sir. I just really 2245 02:12:39,030 --> 02:12:43,350 sucks every time it happens. I don't need to be called ma'am. I 2246 02:12:43,350 --> 02:12:45,930 just need to not be called sir. Thank you. 2247 02:12:46,650 --> 02:12:47,580 Can you call me sir? 2248 02:12:48,630 --> 02:12:52,050 I just want to tell you that the person who gave me this called 2249 02:12:52,050 --> 02:12:58,710 me sir. Call me sir. Oh. Just like it kind of just hurts a lot 2250 02:12:58,740 --> 02:13:03,960 to get called sir. Oh, very good. Thank you so much. No. Oh, 2251 02:13:04,230 --> 02:13:11,430 yeah. Thank you. Nothing like a good misgendering it does. It is 2252 02:13:11,460 --> 02:13:15,180 a knife in the gut when I get called sir. I feel like I need 2253 02:13:15,180 --> 02:13:19,350 to tell him. I need to tell him that that hurt. It hurts more 2254 02:13:19,560 --> 02:13:22,920 than it's not intentional. Because it means like this. This 2255 02:13:22,920 --> 02:13:26,100 is sir to him. I know you didn't mean it. But I'm not asserting 2256 02:13:26,730 --> 02:13:29,550 It's okay. I know. You didn't mean it. It's just you know, it 2257 02:13:29,550 --> 02:13:32,460 hurts. I know when people clocked me it's fine but like it 2258 02:13:32,460 --> 02:13:42,690 does kind of hurt. I'm not sir. A lot. Not sir. Not sir. But the 2259 02:13:42,690 --> 02:13:46,590 guy who dropped the food off? He called me sir twice in a row. 2260 02:13:50,400 --> 02:13:51,900 Adam Curry: Thank you. I appreciate that. Right. So 2261 02:13:51,900 --> 02:13:55,350 there's only two possible reasons for this the most likely 2262 02:13:55,380 --> 02:13:59,400 How do I become a Tiktok star? The second most likely How do I 2263 02:13:59,400 --> 02:14:03,600 get out of paying my bill is eating all kinds of but dynamite 2264 02:14:03,630 --> 02:14:08,190 oysters French stuff nice beautiful food. And you call 2265 02:14:08,190 --> 02:14:10,620 them every single day I need to talk to the manager and talk to 2266 02:14:10,620 --> 02:14:12,900 the manager and get and you get it for free. 2267 02:14:13,860 --> 02:14:16,560 John C Dvorak: That's probably that's a good bit but this whole 2268 02:14:16,560 --> 02:14:20,250 thing seemed to be staged. Yeah, to an extreme nobody cares 2269 02:14:20,250 --> 02:14:24,210 about. I've heard about the pronouns but this sir thing is 2270 02:14:24,210 --> 02:14:29,280 new. And it's bull crap and this guy if you saw him you know he's 2271 02:14:29,280 --> 02:14:33,480 got lipstick on and he's got a funny hairdo and he's got you 2272 02:14:33,480 --> 02:14:36,360 know he's pricy. Here at restaurants are afraid I'm not 2273 02:14:36,360 --> 02:14:38,100 gonna call him sir. Anyway, 2274 02:14:38,129 --> 02:14:40,499 Adam Curry: restaurants are afraid of getting called out 2275 02:14:40,499 --> 02:14:44,759 going viral on Tik Tok and then being protested they're seeking 2276 02:14:45,000 --> 02:14:49,860 John C Dvorak: gear to free food may be the gimmick that's gonna 2277 02:14:49,860 --> 02:14:50,580 go gut and I'm gonna 2278 02:14:50,580 --> 02:14:54,000 Adam Curry: try it myself here in Fredericksburg. Did you just 2279 02:14:54,000 --> 02:14:56,430 call me sir? It's like a knife to the to my heart. 2280 02:14:56,850 --> 02:14:58,020 John C Dvorak: Yes, it is good knife. 2281 02:14:59,190 --> 02:15:01,470 Adam Curry: Manager. I mean I I'm really insulted Oh, you'll 2282 02:15:01,500 --> 02:15:03,690 you'll just you'll give it a free Okay, thank you 2283 02:15:05,160 --> 02:15:06,660 John C Dvorak: they left that out of the video. 2284 02:15:07,590 --> 02:15:09,240 Adam Curry: With that I'd like to thank you for your courage 2285 02:15:09,240 --> 02:15:12,480 saying good morning to you the man who put the sea in the aarC 2286 02:15:12,480 --> 02:15:15,120 Yes Welcome to the ark ladies gentlemen say hello to my friend 2287 02:15:15,120 --> 02:15:16,530 on the other end one only Mr 2288 02:15:20,520 --> 02:15:22,380 John C Dvorak: the money you just read a video it should have 2289 02:15:22,380 --> 02:15:24,510 seen boots to the ground feet near subs in the water and all 2290 02:15:24,510 --> 02:15:25,530 the names nights out there 2291 02:15:25,560 --> 02:15:27,720 Adam Curry: in the morning to the trolls and the troll room 2292 02:15:28,080 --> 02:15:35,850 hanging around for quite a while. 1837 Today I know you're 2293 02:15:35,850 --> 02:15:39,270 gonna say it's low. But you know we are two hours and 15 minutes 2294 02:15:39,270 --> 02:15:42,720 into the show a normal drop off is to be expected. These will be 2295 02:15:42,720 --> 02:15:45,690 the new numbers as long as we have low it's not like 2296 02:15:45,720 --> 02:15:48,960 John C Dvorak: 1800 on a Thursday is average. 2297 02:15:49,050 --> 02:15:51,270 Adam Curry: Well then we're above average because we're two 2298 02:15:51,270 --> 02:15:54,360 hours and 15 minutes into the show. This is good news was 2299 02:15:54,360 --> 02:15:59,190 good. This is good. Good good on neutrals and they've been pretty 2300 02:15:59,190 --> 02:16:03,000 helpful today the trolls have been been nice. Good to see him. 2301 02:16:03,120 --> 02:16:06,780 I love it almost 2000 Trolls and the troll room become a troll. 2302 02:16:07,110 --> 02:16:10,200 Go to troll room.io You know you want to you know it's where your 2303 02:16:10,200 --> 02:16:13,350 home is. Go join us there and you can troll along with 2304 02:16:13,350 --> 02:16:19,800 everybody else while you listen to it listen to the live stream 2305 02:16:19,830 --> 02:16:24,210 no agenda stream.com Or try a modern podcast app at podcast 2306 02:16:24,210 --> 02:16:29,910 apps.com. Actually, I've been I've been using the upgraded 2307 02:16:29,910 --> 02:16:35,520 version of podcast guru lately, which Yeah, it's it's on Android 2308 02:16:35,520 --> 02:16:38,220 I'm using I'm still using graphene OS but that's basically 2309 02:16:38,220 --> 02:16:43,080 Android is good. That is snappy, is snappy, and it does all the 2310 02:16:43,080 --> 02:16:46,680 live stream stuff and everything you want it to do. So try that 2311 02:16:46,680 --> 02:16:52,890 one out podcast grad podcast apps.com. It's a value for value 2312 02:16:52,890 --> 02:16:56,490 proposition here on the show. We've been doing it for over 16 2313 02:16:56,490 --> 02:17:00,420 years people are still amazed. How does that work? Well, you 2314 02:17:00,420 --> 02:17:02,640 got to ask people first of all, you got to treat people with 2315 02:17:02,640 --> 02:17:07,740 respect. Don't call them your fans. Where your audience fans 2316 02:17:07,920 --> 02:17:09,120 fans. A lot 2317 02:17:09,119 --> 02:17:10,409 John C Dvorak: of fans helping us out. 2318 02:17:10,440 --> 02:17:12,720 Adam Curry: No, we don't actually have fans. We haven't 2319 02:17:12,780 --> 02:17:15,150 had the the opposite. Go look at no agenda social. We got no 2320 02:17:15,150 --> 02:17:18,990 fans. Now we have producers who take this very seriously. And 2321 02:17:18,990 --> 02:17:21,750 critics. Yes. And they take it very seriously. And we 2322 02:17:21,750 --> 02:17:26,340 appreciate that. And they do all kinds of groovy stuff to that we 2323 02:17:26,340 --> 02:17:29,700 could otherwise never afford to do just like no agenda art 2324 02:17:29,700 --> 02:17:32,250 generator.com Sir Paul couture wasn't doing that we'd never 2325 02:17:32,250 --> 02:17:35,580 have that. We don't have the budget to have someone. Make 2326 02:17:35,580 --> 02:17:40,590 that maintain that. Monitor it from nut jobs do all I mean 2327 02:17:40,620 --> 02:17:44,190 that's a beautiful example of some time and talent in the 2328 02:17:44,190 --> 02:17:48,090 trifecta of time, talent and treasure. Then we really love 2329 02:17:48,690 --> 02:17:53,250 our producers who who update art there and give us art to work 2330 02:17:53,250 --> 02:17:56,640 with that just as we love our producers on no agenda 2331 02:17:56,640 --> 02:18:01,260 social.com of course leave at the end you know, they're free 2332 02:18:01,260 --> 02:18:03,570 to criticize us which happens a lot 2333 02:18:03,600 --> 02:18:06,540 John C Dvorak: which they seem to be very happy to do. Yes. 2334 02:18:08,700 --> 02:18:10,950 Adam Curry: Adam shitting on the people that pay his rent. 2335 02:18:11,640 --> 02:18:15,450 Really, really we're giving you a free product here you only 2336 02:18:15,450 --> 02:18:18,810 have to give us value back if it's worth anything to you. 2337 02:18:19,260 --> 02:18:21,150 John C Dvorak: That's most people will make that complaint 2338 02:18:21,150 --> 02:18:25,770 don't don't don't don't probably never contributed we had one guy 2339 02:18:25,770 --> 02:18:28,470 like quit the show recently. I don't have his note I should 2340 02:18:28,470 --> 02:18:33,330 read it. Yo Joe Joe lovers I've had it with you 2341 02:18:36,690 --> 02:18:38,850 Adam Curry: Hey, there's an opening of the show right there. 2342 02:18:39,090 --> 02:18:43,170 So putting up the show shadow with you know, I think we're 2343 02:18:43,170 --> 02:18:47,400 pretty much in the middle on that and try to just show all 2344 02:18:47,400 --> 02:18:50,010 sides of what you're not hearing because you're being mind 2345 02:18:50,010 --> 02:18:52,860 controlled no matter where you are. Your media is trying to 2346 02:18:52,860 --> 02:18:55,170 control your thoughts your actions and with that comes 2347 02:18:55,170 --> 02:19:01,020 social media. Anyway, back to the value for value. I want to 2348 02:19:01,020 --> 02:19:07,650 thank the artist who brought us the artwork for episode 1603 We 2349 02:19:07,650 --> 02:19:12,210 titled that one rolling start, and it was the second time 2350 02:19:12,240 --> 02:19:15,570 second time in a row which means she's on deck for a for a 2351 02:19:15,600 --> 02:19:20,700 hattrick Dame Kenny Ben this was such a nice piece that even the 2352 02:19:20,700 --> 02:19:24,780 artists were posting like that's it well after Dame Kenny band we 2353 02:19:24,780 --> 02:19:27,960 shouldn't even try to compete this not worth it anymore. This 2354 02:19:27,960 --> 02:19:31,470 was the very evil looking pumpkin with the hearing aids 2355 02:19:31,500 --> 02:19:37,080 and nice little sound waves going into these were the oh you 2356 02:19:37,080 --> 02:19:40,920 know I got a note about that actually, about the high powered 2357 02:19:40,920 --> 02:19:42,150 hearing aids. Yes, 2358 02:19:42,150 --> 02:19:43,890 John C Dvorak: I got it. Yeah, I got to know to read it. 2359 02:19:44,670 --> 02:19:47,130 Adam Curry: I'm glad you grabbed onto the high powered hearing 2360 02:19:47,130 --> 02:19:51,720 aids. It caught my attention as well. And this person works for 2361 02:19:51,930 --> 02:19:56,100 I'd not say where but in in the Starkey company who are a 2362 02:19:56,100 --> 02:19:59,160 hearing aid manufacturer. I just want to provide a few points of 2363 02:19:59,160 --> 02:20:02,910 clarification how high powered aides are in fact a category. 2364 02:20:03,180 --> 02:20:07,980 They output greater than 120 DBS and gain over the counter can 2365 02:20:07,980 --> 02:20:11,760 only output to a max of 104 DB and gain. I've dug through the M 2366 02:20:11,760 --> 02:20:15,120 five M can't find more info on what they are but it is in fact, 2367 02:20:15,390 --> 02:20:21,120 the Starkey. I think they call it the power version of the 2368 02:20:21,180 --> 02:20:26,190 power. BT behind the ear hearing aids, AB starlight that 2369 02:20:26,190 --> 02:20:28,380 John C Dvorak: you're gonna read the note about. There's also a 2370 02:20:28,380 --> 02:20:31,650 guy who had this phenomenon was of hearing voices 2371 02:20:32,700 --> 02:20:35,100 Adam Curry: to get that note, and I think we talked about that 2372 02:20:35,100 --> 02:20:39,090 on the last show. Okay, well, I don't remember. They also but 2373 02:20:39,090 --> 02:20:45,060 this company does sell to does provide the Veterans Assistance. 2374 02:20:45,270 --> 02:20:49,380 Regardless, I'd like to know who the audiologist is because this 2375 02:20:49,380 --> 02:20:53,850 should not be happening to anybody. But yeah, tinnitus also 2376 02:20:53,850 --> 02:20:58,470 mispronounces tinnitus. That can be all kinds of extra 2377 02:20:58,470 --> 02:21:02,160 frequencies that come along with that it can drive you crazy. can 2378 02:21:02,160 --> 02:21:07,530 drive there's someone on on X was like, curry, you didn't know 2379 02:21:07,530 --> 02:21:11,490 what he talking about hearing aids. Okay. All right. I think 2380 02:21:11,490 --> 02:21:12,300 I'm an expert here. 2381 02:21:12,300 --> 02:21:15,690 John C Dvorak: Well, I would why would anyone say that? They hate 2382 02:21:15,690 --> 02:21:16,410 you? Yeah, 2383 02:21:16,439 --> 02:21:19,499 Adam Curry: just basic hate. Not a donor not not a producer. 2384 02:21:19,829 --> 02:21:20,729 Trust me. I'm not 2385 02:21:20,730 --> 02:21:23,730 John C Dvorak: just some guy he happens. I'm very 2386 02:21:23,730 --> 02:21:26,970 Adam Curry: hateable Dame Kenny. Ben. Thank you very much. Same 2387 02:21:26,970 --> 02:21:30,660 Kenny Ben. We really appreciate what you've done. Once again. 2388 02:21:30,660 --> 02:21:34,650 Let's take a look at some of the art that was submitted as well. 2389 02:21:36,360 --> 02:21:39,300 There are a lot of pumpkins Of course, we're not a pumpkin slug 2390 02:21:39,300 --> 02:21:42,180 and I really liked Niko Symes pumpkin I liked the all seeing 2391 02:21:42,180 --> 02:21:44,130 eye pumpkin I thought was a great piece and yeah 2392 02:21:44,130 --> 02:21:46,170 John C Dvorak: I didn't like it at all actually because they 2393 02:21:46,170 --> 02:21:49,920 thought it was tidy I didn't like to drawing that was and I 2394 02:21:49,920 --> 02:21:52,920 didn't like the all seeing eye is I didn't like it because 2395 02:21:52,920 --> 02:21:54,600 obviously she hated it she 2396 02:21:54,630 --> 02:21:58,410 Adam Curry: hated it hated I did this was hate was hate dripping 2397 02:21:58,410 --> 02:22:02,250 from you. I think we both thought the pearl clutch was 2398 02:22:02,250 --> 02:22:06,780 cute. From dame of the absurd. Yeah, but it was but it was It 2399 02:22:06,780 --> 02:22:11,280 wasn't wasn't clear enough. I mean, yeah, we were clearly 2400 02:22:11,280 --> 02:22:12,150 looking for I 2401 02:22:12,150 --> 02:22:15,780 John C Dvorak: liked a little I did like to Amaryllis Fox 2402 02:22:16,110 --> 02:22:20,670 videotape or gentleman's club as a thing but it was too small. It 2403 02:22:20,670 --> 02:22:23,190 was a little bit easier. Read Amaryllis Fox on it. There's a 2404 02:22:23,190 --> 02:22:26,580 couple other ones is another one a high powered, tanta Neil's 2405 02:22:26,610 --> 02:22:29,760 high powered hearing aid ng has all the text is unreadable. 2406 02:22:29,790 --> 02:22:31,980 Yeah, I know. I know what she's thinking. Yeah, 2407 02:22:32,010 --> 02:22:32,760 Adam Curry: that's too bad. 2408 02:22:35,160 --> 02:22:38,820 John C Dvorak: We're not going to use what's his name? The 2409 02:22:38,820 --> 02:22:39,960 Matthew Perry thing. 2410 02:22:39,990 --> 02:22:43,110 Adam Curry: Did you? Did you have some bonus content for the 2411 02:22:43,110 --> 02:22:45,420 donation segment about Matthew Perry you sent me? 2412 02:22:45,450 --> 02:22:50,490 John C Dvorak: No, I mean, I asked you to put into the show 2413 02:22:50,490 --> 02:22:54,480 notes which people can go reference. It's a it's a rumble 2414 02:22:54,780 --> 02:22:57,600 show where they go on and on about Matthew Perry. He's gonna 2415 02:22:57,600 --> 02:23:01,770 blow the lid off pedophilia. That's why they killed me. And 2416 02:23:01,770 --> 02:23:05,310 that's why they kill them and I'm thinking well, okay, sure. 2417 02:23:06,090 --> 02:23:08,910 And my comment in the in the thread that was floating around 2418 02:23:08,910 --> 02:23:12,390 was where was the if you're to have that kind of information, 2419 02:23:12,390 --> 02:23:16,980 you keep it threatening it for years. You better have a deadman 2420 02:23:16,980 --> 02:23:20,460 switch someplace. Exactly. There was something that gets mailed 2421 02:23:20,460 --> 02:23:23,640 out a minute you're dead. Do you have a deadman switch for your 2422 02:23:23,670 --> 02:23:26,490 deepest darkest sick I have a bunch Yeah, I do a bunch of 2423 02:23:26,490 --> 02:23:29,250 stuff goes in the mail in the real it be all hell's gonna 2424 02:23:29,250 --> 02:23:29,790 break loose. 2425 02:23:29,820 --> 02:23:30,750 Adam Curry: I believe you. 2426 02:23:31,440 --> 02:23:34,560 John C Dvorak: I believe you all hell is gonna break loose. 2427 02:23:34,800 --> 02:23:37,530 Adam Curry: I believe you. Oh, ladies and gentlemen. Jhansi 2428 02:23:37,530 --> 02:23:43,380 Dvorak has a deadman switch. Nice. Do I get anything? Or is 2429 02:23:43,380 --> 02:23:44,070 it just going to like 2430 02:23:44,430 --> 02:23:46,440 John C Dvorak: you're a part of it, you're going to be doomed. 2431 02:23:49,260 --> 02:23:50,040 over for you. 2432 02:23:50,670 --> 02:23:53,880 Adam Curry: Thank you very much, Dave. Kenny, Ben for your for 2433 02:23:53,880 --> 02:23:57,180 your artwork. I see a lot of art has already been submitted for 2434 02:23:57,180 --> 02:24:00,300 this episode. Thank you artists. You're all highly appreciated 2435 02:24:00,300 --> 02:24:02,940 all the work that you do. Of course, we want to thank our 2436 02:24:02,970 --> 02:24:07,260 financial donors, part of the treasurer of the trifecta and we 2437 02:24:07,290 --> 02:24:10,860 always go for our executive and Associate Executive Producers 2438 02:24:10,860 --> 02:24:15,330 first along with today, more PhD candidates who will be awarded 2439 02:24:15,330 --> 02:24:19,110 the coveted no agenda PhD in media deconstruction, and we 2440 02:24:19,110 --> 02:24:24,390 kick it off with Anthony Sakowski from Highland New York. 2441 02:24:24,750 --> 02:24:30,630 Who comes in with 133 3.33 in the morning, no jingles, no 2442 02:24:30,630 --> 02:24:35,790 karma. This donations for two people. Okay. 1000 is from my 2443 02:24:35,790 --> 02:24:39,480 knighthood and PhD the 333 33 is from my brother Mike, if you 2444 02:24:39,480 --> 02:24:45,360 could please do us both. You've been de deuced my brother hit me 2445 02:24:45,360 --> 02:24:48,750 in the mouth over 10 years ago now I haven't missed an episode 2446 02:24:48,750 --> 02:24:52,500 since 2017. Please Knight me Sir Anthony protector of 2447 02:24:52,530 --> 02:24:56,490 installation 07. And thank you for your courage, whatever that 2448 02:24:56,490 --> 02:25:00,150 means. We're we're happy to do that. Happy to do that. Thank 2449 02:25:00,150 --> 02:25:00,360 you, 2450 02:25:01,080 --> 02:25:06,420 John C Dvorak: Kyle Celia Selig Selig in Kona, Wisconsin came in 2451 02:25:06,420 --> 02:25:12,930 we went $1,000.02 and he wrote a handwritten two notes he wrote 2452 02:25:12,930 --> 02:25:15,720 one in with a check and then another envelope came in shortly 2453 02:25:15,720 --> 02:25:21,960 thereafter and within the notes are very hard to read just my 2454 02:25:21,960 --> 02:25:25,260 two cents he writes I would be honored to call you my friend 2455 02:25:25,260 --> 02:25:29,760 both friends we are frail or your friends Kyle both friends I 2456 02:25:29,760 --> 02:25:36,510 did it for the education you both provided. And then another 2457 02:25:36,510 --> 02:25:39,240 note comes in a different piece of paper with a three hole punch 2458 02:25:39,240 --> 02:25:46,140 he says if it if it bounces I lived right. Nice. I'll get 2459 02:25:46,320 --> 02:25:48,720 right with you, John. John, 2460 02:25:48,720 --> 02:25:50,850 Adam Curry: you better see better submit that check right 2461 02:25:50,850 --> 02:25:53,460 away bounces 2462 02:25:54,270 --> 02:25:56,310 John C Dvorak: actually you and JJ was going through this and 2463 02:25:56,310 --> 02:25:59,460 she looks at this notice if it bounces I lived right and she 2464 02:25:59,460 --> 02:26:04,680 says to me, is this a suicide? No. No, I 2465 02:26:04,680 --> 02:26:07,200 Adam Curry: hope not. This No. 2466 02:26:08,790 --> 02:26:11,130 Does he jingles or anything or 2467 02:26:11,130 --> 02:26:12,840 John C Dvorak: anything? No. He would that was it. What do you 2468 02:26:12,840 --> 02:26:16,200 see in those two notes? Right Kyle? Thank you. Yeah, thanks, 2469 02:26:16,200 --> 02:26:16,530 Cal 2470 02:26:16,620 --> 02:26:20,160 Adam Curry: sir vont Hamilton, Ohio 1000. Working at the 2471 02:26:20,160 --> 02:26:24,150 university as a dude named Ben for 37 years listening to so 2472 02:26:24,150 --> 02:26:27,480 many boring conferences, lectures and meetings but never 2473 02:26:27,480 --> 02:26:32,220 got a PhD. Now after 1000 episodes have no agenda and in 2474 02:26:32,220 --> 02:26:37,260 $1 an episode I have a PhD in media deconstruction. Yes, you 2475 02:26:37,260 --> 02:26:40,500 do serve on I'm getting one as well. Jay has put mine in the 2476 02:26:40,500 --> 02:26:43,050 mail. I'm very excited. I will have it framed and put it on my 2477 02:26:43,080 --> 02:26:46,440 on my wall. And your wall of shame. No, I'm going to put it 2478 02:26:46,470 --> 02:26:49,290 in the studio. The display it proudly. You bet. 2479 02:26:49,320 --> 02:26:53,640 John C Dvorak: Okay. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep, yep. Yep. Yep. 2480 02:26:54,780 --> 02:26:59,160 Geoffrey Corbett's up and from Hamilton, Ohio. Aha. $1,000. 2481 02:26:59,310 --> 02:27:06,240 Love the show. Please Knight me. Sure Corby. Thanks, Dan. Thanks. 2482 02:27:06,240 --> 02:27:06,780 Nice note, 2483 02:27:07,140 --> 02:27:10,050 Adam Curry: sir Congress in Austin, Texas. Maybe we'll see 2484 02:27:10,050 --> 02:27:15,240 you sir Cox on the 18th at the meetup 1000. This is my birthday 2485 02:27:15,240 --> 02:27:19,560 Friday the third and this should make me Baron Dr. Cox. I'd also 2486 02:27:19,560 --> 02:27:23,220 like to announce my mother's day name of Dame Rosie Vila, 2487 02:27:23,400 --> 02:27:26,640 protector of wall pockets, as she was deemed on her birthday 2488 02:27:26,640 --> 02:27:30,360 last June 7 and now has chosen her name. And you've made it 2489 02:27:30,360 --> 02:27:32,940 official sir Cox Baron soon to be Thank you. 2490 02:27:34,830 --> 02:27:40,620 John C Dvorak: Lee see Noir $1,000. And he sent a note in 2491 02:27:40,740 --> 02:27:45,210 which I have right here. Now I don't have the I just have them. 2492 02:27:46,110 --> 02:27:52,050 I just have the the PDF. Hello, John. 2493 02:27:52,950 --> 02:27:55,560 Adam Curry: What Adam I'm not adding the atoms not included. 2494 02:27:55,890 --> 02:27:59,250 John C Dvorak: I can't imagine how well yeah, maybe I can how 2495 02:27:59,250 --> 02:28:05,040 tough it can be to live to do live content. That's what he 2496 02:28:05,040 --> 02:28:09,720 says. So he's happy with our work ethic? Yes. I don't want to 2497 02:28:09,720 --> 02:28:13,500 be that guy who tells you how you screwed up. That's why 2498 02:28:13,500 --> 02:28:19,710 you're not listed is directed at me. Okay, how you screwed up 2499 02:28:19,860 --> 02:28:25,470 here as you were I want to avoid the word but Adams Great. In the 2500 02:28:25,470 --> 02:28:28,860 last couple of shows you commented that the dead 2501 02:28:28,860 --> 02:28:32,940 attackers in Israel did not have a reason to wear body cams 2502 02:28:32,970 --> 02:28:36,090 unless as you suggest they were going to cover themselves 2503 02:28:36,090 --> 02:28:38,490 legally in case they got sued. 2504 02:28:41,670 --> 02:28:42,990 Adam Curry: Which makes so much sense. 2505 02:28:44,130 --> 02:28:47,130 John C Dvorak: When this happened I was disappointed but 2506 02:28:49,380 --> 02:28:52,650 all politics is local and that attack was at least as much 2507 02:28:52,650 --> 02:28:57,450 political as anything. People that in that circumstance that 2508 02:28:57,450 --> 02:29:01,080 choose to wear body cams you already get a body cam to be 2509 02:29:01,080 --> 02:29:03,660 honest about it it's a go through was told to wear body 2510 02:29:03,660 --> 02:29:07,050 cams for local celebrations of their success, or at least of 2511 02:29:07,050 --> 02:29:10,800 their activities probably never thought about lawyers. Lawyers 2512 02:29:10,800 --> 02:29:15,060 were the first thing you thought of you can speculate on 2513 02:29:15,060 --> 02:29:18,450 somebody's motivation if you're that far from what they think 2514 02:29:18,450 --> 02:29:22,980 for instance, quote, a good way to spend my day is going into 2515 02:29:22,980 --> 02:29:27,810 another country and killing families in their beds. This is 2516 02:29:27,810 --> 02:29:33,690 ghoulish your instinct seems to be is seemed seems to be to dig 2517 02:29:33,690 --> 02:29:37,320 around for other perspectives and you're good at it like any 2518 02:29:37,320 --> 02:29:40,920 other human being you have your bias we all do. Yours is 2519 02:29:40,920 --> 02:29:44,040 probably more like mine, which makes you interesting to listen 2520 02:29:44,040 --> 02:29:48,000 to thanks. No jingles no karma. Alright. Thanks for the notes. 2521 02:29:48,060 --> 02:29:51,600 Okay. And then uh, yes, admits mentions a couple other things. 2522 02:29:53,400 --> 02:29:55,800 Also, I've listed recent podcasts and it sounds like I 2523 02:29:55,800 --> 02:29:58,290 can get a knighthood and a degree on the cheap so here I 2524 02:29:58,290 --> 02:30:02,820 am, and then he went to use his name and two different names 2525 02:30:02,850 --> 02:30:06,600 he's got a knighthood coming up and he'll be on his diploma he 2526 02:30:06,600 --> 02:30:10,680 has to send the details into yes, no agenda ringside calm 2527 02:30:10,740 --> 02:30:13,590 soon to be surly see noir 2528 02:30:13,620 --> 02:30:17,580 Adam Curry: Yes indeed. And Sir David Ross from Colorado Springs 2529 02:30:17,580 --> 02:30:22,350 comes in with 50604 Dear John and Adam here's a number station 2530 02:30:22,350 --> 02:30:26,160 for you pay attention comrades. I hope your day is filled with 2531 02:30:26,160 --> 02:30:29,370 warmth and sunshine and victory parades for the Texas Rangers 2532 02:30:29,370 --> 02:30:33,360 and next year the Dallas Cowboys I love you both 70 threes David 2533 02:30:33,360 --> 02:30:38,430 kilo five Delta Papa Yankee, Sir David Ross well 70 threes keto 2534 02:30:38,430 --> 02:30:41,730 five Alpha Charlie Charlie I'll give you a gratuitous rub lies 2535 02:30:41,910 --> 02:30:52,710 in the standby 3333 33 or otherwise are out ritualist 2536 02:30:52,710 --> 02:30:53,850 number station for you. 2537 02:30:54,660 --> 02:30:59,400 John C Dvorak: Nisha pet in most Seville will say Ville is 2538 02:30:59,400 --> 02:31:03,240 something I some French is in COVID Quebec so it's pronounced 2539 02:31:03,240 --> 02:31:07,590 in the Quebec was? I am Nisha pet the French Scandinavian 2540 02:31:07,680 --> 02:31:11,100 thanks for all you do. My life would not be the same without 2541 02:31:11,100 --> 02:31:17,100 you. I donate it with Pay Pal 369 which is 533 55 Canadian 2542 02:31:17,130 --> 02:31:21,870 please play an order. Douche bag me know like it. You've been 2543 02:31:21,870 --> 02:31:36,540 deduced and respect you said de deuced DSP I see T 2544 02:31:36,900 --> 02:31:41,280 Adam Curry: Alrighty then. Let's see. We have anonymous from 2545 02:31:41,310 --> 02:31:48,660 Orlando when we open up the note here. And second Where is page 2546 02:31:48,870 --> 02:31:51,960 one page two I got it. This isn't one of those long ones. 2547 02:31:51,960 --> 02:31:54,420 No, it's a short one. Here we go. In The Morning John and Adam 2548 02:31:54,420 --> 02:31:55,920 first time What are you drinking? 2549 02:31:57,060 --> 02:31:57,870 John C Dvorak: Just polar. 2550 02:31:58,230 --> 02:32:00,720 Adam Curry: First time plus birthday donation. You 2551 02:32:00,720 --> 02:32:03,870 John C Dvorak: heard that? You heard a little I hear that? The 2552 02:32:03,870 --> 02:32:05,130 microphone is amazing. 2553 02:32:05,460 --> 02:32:07,560 Adam Curry: What is your microphone is at the highest 2554 02:32:07,590 --> 02:32:08,010 pile? 2555 02:32:09,330 --> 02:32:10,170 John C Dvorak: Yes, Ohio. I 2556 02:32:10,470 --> 02:32:13,410 Adam Curry: wish I could send more to reflect the value I find 2557 02:32:13,410 --> 02:32:15,840 listening each week now. You know what? I'm going to disagree 2558 02:32:15,840 --> 02:32:21,000 with you if this is this is your max you sent us a lot you reach 2559 02:32:21,000 --> 02:32:24,060 the top this is highly appreciated. However keeping my 2560 02:32:24,060 --> 02:32:27,210 three human resources out of terrible public schools takes 2561 02:32:27,210 --> 02:32:30,390 top priority these days. Love and Light from the deep blue 2562 02:32:30,390 --> 02:32:33,630 bleeding heart of Orange County Florida, where critical thinking 2563 02:32:33,630 --> 02:32:37,800 is prohibited. PS I haven't heard anyone tell you this in a 2564 02:32:37,800 --> 02:32:42,000 while so keep doing what you're doing. You bet and I'll give you 2565 02:32:42,000 --> 02:32:47,100 a D douching since its first time you've been de deuced 2566 02:32:49,650 --> 02:32:53,880 John C Dvorak: Brendan tech cash or to cash or tech cash in 2567 02:32:53,910 --> 02:33:00,210 Western Springs Illinois 333 Switcheroo Switch Row switcheroo 2568 02:33:00,210 --> 02:33:04,440 ITM John and Adam the raffle was held at sort of spooky Halloween 2569 02:33:04,440 --> 02:33:08,490 spooktacular this past Sunday 17 people attended and contributed 2570 02:33:08,700 --> 02:33:13,890 please credit ser el que tm as the winner of this executive 2571 02:33:13,890 --> 02:33:17,550 producer title yes we'll meet up report will be sent to Adam 2572 02:33:17,550 --> 02:33:24,510 jingles Don't eat me Jo Bo Jaiden JC de donate regards 2573 02:33:24,510 --> 02:33:28,710 Brendon to cash or spooky of the Elm streets 2574 02:33:46,170 --> 02:33:50,610 is a word I should mention that ser el que tem set into separate 2575 02:33:50,610 --> 02:33:54,300 note saying thank to all the attendees to serve spooky the 2576 02:33:54,300 --> 02:33:57,150 Elm streets meet up for making this credit possible so thanks 2577 02:33:57,150 --> 02:34:00,630 to making me feel welcomed my first meetup. But when first 2578 02:34:00,630 --> 02:34:04,890 time in, big winner Please grant karma to all the attendees and 2579 02:34:04,920 --> 02:34:08,130 claim they played JCD spooky donate which is up there 2580 02:34:08,130 --> 02:34:10,410 already. See y'all at the next one. 2581 02:34:10,980 --> 02:34:15,390 Adam Curry: All right. Then we have a another switcheroo which 2582 02:34:15,390 --> 02:34:21,210 is from Lady Vox. David with the gateway switcheroo please credit 2583 02:34:21,210 --> 02:34:24,930 my donation to system Sam Samuel Corp. I'm not interested in 2584 02:34:24,930 --> 02:34:27,750 climbing the peerage ladder but I love bringing others to the 2585 02:34:27,750 --> 02:34:31,080 roundtable Hello Adam and John. Please do not miss Kobe to your 2586 02:34:31,080 --> 02:34:35,790 million plus listeners. I don't hate you. I never said I did. 2587 02:34:36,570 --> 02:34:41,070 Oh, I know what this is. On the last show that the very end. We 2588 02:34:41,070 --> 02:34:44,070 had lady Vox with her show next on the stream and this is Lady 2589 02:34:44,070 --> 02:34:48,600 Vox who would said am guest not donating today many more than 2590 02:34:48,600 --> 02:34:51,000 she writes. She did not say she hated us. In fact, she doesn't 2591 02:34:51,000 --> 02:34:52,110 hate us. I know she doesn't know 2592 02:34:52,110 --> 02:34:54,000 John C Dvorak: she didn't say she hated that. She said she's 2593 02:34:54,000 --> 02:34:55,350 not donating anymore. 2594 02:34:56,070 --> 02:34:58,740 Adam Curry: It wasn't for Paul, I'm wrong. I repent. I 2595 02:34:58,740 --> 02:35:03,750 apologize. Forgive me I just didn't appreciate your sometimes 2596 02:35:03,750 --> 02:35:07,050 condescending or entitled tone towards people who give their 2597 02:35:07,050 --> 02:35:09,660 time talent and treasure in so many ways help sustain this 2598 02:35:09,780 --> 02:35:14,520 amazing community you've inspired How come I'm not 2599 02:35:14,520 --> 02:35:18,750 allowed to be condescending or entitled On no agenda social 2600 02:35:18,750 --> 02:35:20,040 everybody does that. 2601 02:35:20,760 --> 02:35:23,400 John C Dvorak: Everybody is condescending and entitled and 2602 02:35:23,400 --> 02:35:24,510 no agenda social 2603 02:35:24,540 --> 02:35:27,030 Adam Curry: I'm not allowed to do I'm not allowed to do it for 2604 02:35:27,030 --> 02:35:28,650 some reason i But usually, 2605 02:35:28,770 --> 02:35:32,580 John C Dvorak: you know, guy who set the whole thing up, has to 2606 02:35:32,580 --> 02:35:34,860 shut up and sit down. That's pretty 2607 02:35:34,860 --> 02:35:37,410 Adam Curry: much it is this How am I allowed to troll and 2608 02:35:37,410 --> 02:35:42,780 actually it was a mistake because if you go back and look 2609 02:35:42,780 --> 02:35:45,780 at the thread, which I do not advise anybody to do, I was not 2610 02:35:45,780 --> 02:35:48,120 even and this is part of the problem with social with social 2611 02:35:48,120 --> 02:35:51,090 media and Mastodon in particular. I made a comment to 2612 02:35:51,090 --> 02:35:53,610 the other person on the thread and it was like dude, do you 2613 02:35:53,610 --> 02:35:58,110 want to hug? That was my condescending tone. But I'm not 2614 02:35:58,110 --> 02:36:01,080 allowed to do that because it's no good. I have to be a 2615 02:36:01,080 --> 02:36:04,890 bootlicking lackey to all this is why I just don't post much 2616 02:36:07,170 --> 02:36:11,550 bootlicking lackey That's right. I need to just be a lackey I 2617 02:36:11,550 --> 02:36:14,040 love to vie for remodels what drew me to the show in the first 2618 02:36:14,040 --> 02:36:16,890 place and what keeps me here but V for B is about more than just 2619 02:36:16,890 --> 02:36:20,340 financial support I never for one moment abandoned the model 2620 02:36:20,370 --> 02:36:24,930 well no you did yeah it did. You said it you said I'm just not 2621 02:36:25,260 --> 02:36:27,480 John C Dvorak: my money to other podcast yeah 2622 02:36:29,580 --> 02:36:32,940 Adam Curry: she's gonna get mad about this now to this letter if 2623 02:36:32,940 --> 02:36:35,130 you listen around the stream you will understand that I 2624 02:36:35,130 --> 02:36:37,680 participate contribute and collaborate with my mouth my 2625 02:36:37,680 --> 02:36:41,190 mind at my money. Independent Media has become my cause my 2626 02:36:41,190 --> 02:36:45,240 purpose since m five M literally scared my father to death during 2627 02:36:45,240 --> 02:36:49,080 schmoeville Did you have his WWE to ham radio bug? I do. And I 2628 02:36:49,080 --> 02:36:51,870 really appreciate this. I treasure that actually. That is 2629 02:36:51,870 --> 02:36:56,580 in my in my studio in my museum. But you do she gave me her dad's 2630 02:36:56,580 --> 02:37:00,300 World War Two ham radio bug like a Morse code key only it's a 2631 02:37:00,300 --> 02:37:05,370 bug. So goes it's a works. Yeah, but she gave that to me. Wow. 2632 02:37:05,370 --> 02:37:06,300 Long time ago. 2633 02:37:06,360 --> 02:37:08,010 John C Dvorak: No. Yeah, I remember that now because you 2634 02:37:08,040 --> 02:37:09,930 think it took a picture of it? Yeah. 2635 02:37:10,410 --> 02:37:12,510 Adam Curry: I wouldn't have given something that special. I 2636 02:37:12,510 --> 02:37:16,770 hate Yes. Yes. Hmm. I defend podcasting 2637 02:37:16,770 --> 02:37:19,020 John C Dvorak: with a visceral asking for it back if she asked 2638 02:37:19,020 --> 02:37:19,860 him for it that Oh 2639 02:37:19,860 --> 02:37:22,050 Adam Curry: no, she's a good she's a good egg. 2640 02:37:23,280 --> 02:37:24,780 John C Dvorak: Egg is good. Okay, 2641 02:37:24,810 --> 02:37:27,330 Adam Curry: I defend podcasting with a visceral intensity that 2642 02:37:27,330 --> 02:37:31,920 nearly got me my smokin hot sir into a bar fight last night. You 2643 02:37:31,920 --> 02:37:33,720 got into a fight. I know 2644 02:37:33,720 --> 02:37:37,200 John C Dvorak: the type. So pleased to say that to you. 2645 02:37:40,920 --> 02:37:44,520 Adam Curry: Man, podcasting sucks. So please don't ever tell 2646 02:37:44,520 --> 02:37:47,790 this audience I hate you. I apologize. You do not hate me. 2647 02:37:48,360 --> 02:37:51,540 We're all just here to knock the sharp edges off each other man. 2648 02:37:51,870 --> 02:37:54,720 For a better community. I'd never withdraw my support from a 2649 02:37:54,720 --> 02:38:00,900 noble cause. And then best regards lady Vox dei MD with the 2650 02:38:00,900 --> 02:38:04,170 gateway PS sir Spencer a bowl after bowl would really 2651 02:38:04,170 --> 02:38:07,500 appreciate appreciate it if JC D would unblock him on no agenda 2652 02:38:07,500 --> 02:38:11,850 social. I humbly request this on his behalf he's a glorious asset 2653 02:38:11,850 --> 02:38:13,590 to get mo nation unblock him John 2654 02:38:15,150 --> 02:38:17,100 John C Dvorak: you know I don't know how to unblock you go to 2655 02:38:17,100 --> 02:38:17,880 your profile 2656 02:38:17,880 --> 02:38:18,510 Adam Curry: and right there. 2657 02:38:22,140 --> 02:38:24,630 John C Dvorak: Lady Vox I'll take it okay. It's under 2658 02:38:24,630 --> 02:38:25,320 advisement. 2659 02:38:25,349 --> 02:38:29,519 Adam Curry: Okay, Lady rocks by I misquoted you I apologize. 2660 02:38:29,669 --> 02:38:35,699 However, the I get to troll to die by feel I should know agenda 2661 02:38:35,699 --> 02:38:39,269 socialist, no agenda social. They want to be able to use one 2662 02:38:39,269 --> 02:38:42,299 a hug man. Come on back at that's not condescending or 2663 02:38:42,719 --> 02:38:47,759 entitled. That's just trolling. But I know. All right, 2664 02:38:47,760 --> 02:38:51,150 John C Dvorak: we're onward onward. Yes. Last one. Linda 2665 02:38:51,150 --> 02:38:56,190 IUPAC. in Lakewood, Colorado jobs karma. For a resume that 2666 02:38:56,190 --> 02:39:03,000 gets results. Go to Image makers inc.com. For all your executive 2667 02:39:03,000 --> 02:39:08,340 resume and job search needs. That's image makers Inc with a 2668 02:39:08,340 --> 02:39:14,280 k.com or just find Linda lubac. And under the show's producer 2669 02:39:14,280 --> 02:39:14,880 list. 2670 02:39:15,810 --> 02:39:20,310 Unknown: There you go. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. That's 2671 02:39:23,640 --> 02:39:24,270 karma. 2672 02:39:24,420 --> 02:39:27,030 Adam Curry: And that wraps up our executive and Associate 2673 02:39:27,030 --> 02:39:32,550 Executive producers and PhD awardees. Our graduates have no 2674 02:39:32,550 --> 02:39:35,880 agenda. Thank you all very much. We highly appreciate what you 2675 02:39:35,880 --> 02:39:40,380 do. The Ph. D. Of course is real. The titles are real. You 2676 02:39:40,380 --> 02:39:42,990 are an executive or Associate Executive Producer of episode 2677 02:39:42,990 --> 02:39:46,980 1604 of the no agenda show put that anywhere where titles are 2678 02:39:47,010 --> 02:39:50,490 recognized. It's recognized all over Hollywood while it still 2679 02:39:50,490 --> 02:39:55,110 exists. Yeah, put it on imdb.com You'll see Hollywood is there 2680 02:39:55,110 --> 02:39:58,530 and you'll be recognized you're it's totally valid. And John's 2681 02:39:58,530 --> 02:40:00,600 gonna take us through to the 50s and we'll Get to our 2682 02:40:00,630 --> 02:40:03,570 Nightingale, our PhD graduates, et cetera. 2683 02:40:03,810 --> 02:40:05,580 John C Dvorak: I would definitely put it on my LinkedIn 2684 02:40:05,580 --> 02:40:13,080 profile to share Tooth Fairy Valparaiso, Indiana $160.40 Sir 2685 02:40:13,080 --> 02:40:23,280 Bates, and Bloomington Minnesota 160 16. Leia, Lydia Terry DOMA 2686 02:40:23,280 --> 02:40:29,190 Nelly in Rochester, Minnesota one 6004 These are the special 2687 02:40:29,190 --> 02:40:35,250 160 that basically the Kepler supernova donations be huge 2688 02:40:35,490 --> 02:40:37,650 promotion. We got three people like 2689 02:40:37,650 --> 02:40:40,350 Adam Curry: great idea. When I saw that I'm like, this is gonna 2690 02:40:40,350 --> 02:40:41,220 go nowhere. 2691 02:40:42,420 --> 02:40:43,620 John C Dvorak: It went nowhere. It's not 2692 02:40:43,620 --> 02:40:44,760 Adam Curry: a good promotion. 2693 02:40:45,810 --> 02:40:46,770 John C Dvorak: It wasn't even my 2694 02:40:46,770 --> 02:40:49,140 Adam Curry: idea. Who Oh, who do we blame Jay? 2695 02:40:49,830 --> 02:40:52,110 John C Dvorak: No, no, it was one of our producers that said 2696 02:40:52,110 --> 02:40:54,330 to note in because he said, You know, there's nothing else going 2697 02:40:54,330 --> 02:41:00,960 I want you to try this. Thanks, Sam. Well, you got three. Sandra 2698 02:41:00,990 --> 02:41:06,210 Edmonds in or do Lydia Terry DOMA Nellie in Rochester New 2699 02:41:06,210 --> 02:41:11,220 Hampshire you do for you have no. Okay, Sandra Edmonds and 2700 02:41:11,220 --> 02:41:17,310 Lakeside Colorado, California 120 Baron lattic. In $100 from 2701 02:41:17,310 --> 02:41:20,340 Houston, Texas, Kevin McLaughlin. He's here he is, is 2702 02:41:20,340 --> 02:41:27,180 the shortlist again. We're not gonna be doing better. 808 1604 2703 02:41:27,180 --> 02:41:33,210 Boob donation and he's got the no pun. He's the Duke of Luna. 2704 02:41:33,300 --> 02:41:39,660 Oh pumilus Wow. Okay. handless Shelby Diamond Star photography 2705 02:41:39,660 --> 02:41:47,100 and death desk Plaines, Illinois. At? He said Happy 2706 02:41:47,100 --> 02:41:55,200 16th. Okay. Tea, Dana. Dana Carroll in Laughlin, Nevada 2707 02:41:55,200 --> 02:42:04,020 7227. I got one I can't get even read because this boy is if for 2708 02:42:04,020 --> 02:42:05,700 some reason wrote a long note 2709 02:42:05,730 --> 02:42:10,200 Adam Curry: that he wrote a note to me. David, Sir David Jarman 2710 02:42:10,200 --> 02:42:14,010 from North Turramurra, New South Wales and came in with salmon 2711 02:42:14,010 --> 02:42:17,850 72. And a very nice note, I appreciate what you wrote there. 2712 02:42:17,850 --> 02:42:22,920 And he came in with a second donation of 63 dot 85 Not sure 2713 02:42:23,280 --> 02:42:31,920 why. But he does ask, Why do I have to pay 100 And he says 1640 2714 02:42:32,490 --> 02:42:37,500 and 55 cents in dollar reduced to get $1,000 USD back and not 2715 02:42:37,500 --> 02:42:41,400 2009. It was parity. Yeah. You got a question? What happened 2716 02:42:41,400 --> 02:42:41,730 there? 2717 02:42:42,720 --> 02:42:45,180 John C Dvorak: What happened? It happens. We had periods with 2718 02:42:45,180 --> 02:42:50,010 candidate for a while to during the Iraqi war. Yeah. Hi, Kevin. 2719 02:42:50,220 --> 02:42:55,560 Back to Kevin McLaughlin. in Concord, North Carolina. 606. 2720 02:42:56,310 --> 02:43:03,480 Small boops. Bernie, Adam. Oh, ma in Hanson, Iowa. Yeah, Bernie 2721 02:43:03,510 --> 02:43:06,540 5110 You haven't heard from Sir Bernie for a while. He's in the 2722 02:43:06,540 --> 02:43:12,720 meter Luke. Sure. Luke Reiner in London, UK 55. And now we have 2723 02:43:12,720 --> 02:43:17,580 $50 donors and again, we have a shortlist again today. Joe Woods 2724 02:43:17,580 --> 02:43:22,170 in Ocean Grove, New Jersey. Kyle mon in Cincinnati, Ohio. Julie 2725 02:43:22,170 --> 02:43:29,940 min Nadeo mnay do Monetti have in Costa Mesa, California. Ryan 2726 02:43:29,940 --> 02:43:35,010 sharp in Huntsville, Alabama. Brandon, luckily are in Sugar 2727 02:43:35,130 --> 02:43:40,590 Hill, Georgia, Justin Eleanor in vine Grove, Kentucky, Shanna 2728 02:43:40,590 --> 02:43:45,000 Norberg in Seattle, Washington, Tony Lange in Castle Pines, 2729 02:43:45,000 --> 02:43:51,360 Colorado, dotted mind in Lincoln. Sure, Lincolnshire, UK, 2730 02:43:51,810 --> 02:43:55,440 and Jordan. And last but not least in a very short list of 36 2731 02:43:55,440 --> 02:44:02,040 total. Jordan Plano in Salem, don't inhale and Oregon want to 2732 02:44:02,040 --> 02:44:07,830 thank these folks for making the show 1604 happen. 2733 02:44:08,520 --> 02:44:12,090 Adam Curry: And as we thank everyone who came in under $50 2734 02:44:12,090 --> 02:44:16,500 That is usually for reasons of anonymity. We'll do 4999 Happens 2735 02:44:16,500 --> 02:44:19,980 all the time. We will not read those. And of course everybody 2736 02:44:19,980 --> 02:44:22,230 who has a sustaining donation if you don't have one, please 2737 02:44:22,230 --> 02:44:25,680 consider getting one of those can just be whatever small 2738 02:44:25,680 --> 02:44:28,170 amount you want per month per month, but we get enough of 2739 02:44:28,170 --> 02:44:30,990 those and it does keep us through the rougher patches. If 2740 02:44:30,990 --> 02:44:36,480 you'd like to learn more go here. vorak.org/in or no agenda 2741 02:44:36,480 --> 02:44:38,940 donations.com And thank you again to our executive and 2742 02:44:38,940 --> 02:44:42,150 Associate Executive producers of 1604 2743 02:44:42,180 --> 02:44:46,650 Unknown: formula is this. We go out. We get people in the mouth 2744 02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:00,360 This 2745 02:45:07,020 --> 02:45:09,210 Adam Curry: is kind of short list today but we start off with 2746 02:45:09,480 --> 02:45:13,260 by His grace who wishes Greta a happy third birthday she 2747 02:45:13,260 --> 02:45:16,470 celebrated on the 30th credit is of course the three legged 2748 02:45:16,470 --> 02:45:20,040 Wonder Dog. Sir Cox celebrates on the third of November 2749 02:45:20,040 --> 02:45:23,670 tomorrow and happy birthday to anonymous from Orlando. Happy 2750 02:45:23,670 --> 02:45:26,730 birthday for everybody here the best podcast in the universe. 2751 02:45:29,970 --> 02:45:30,660 Change I 2752 02:45:35,880 --> 02:45:37,950 Unknown: don't want to be introduced back 2753 02:45:37,980 --> 02:45:40,290 Adam Curry: know douchebaggery here we heard him earlier with 2754 02:45:40,290 --> 02:45:45,330 his donation sir Cox, who also will be a graduate of the Ph. D. 2755 02:45:45,330 --> 02:45:49,560 and media deconstruction he has donated additional $1,000 It can 2756 02:45:49,560 --> 02:45:53,460 be all in one go or an aggregate but you now are officially Baron 2757 02:45:53,460 --> 02:45:56,340 Dr. Cox actually will be official once they give you that 2758 02:45:56,340 --> 02:46:00,060 PhD, but we'll just call it that for now. Thank you very much for 2759 02:46:00,060 --> 02:46:02,550 supporting the best podcast in the universe. Now I'd like to 2760 02:46:02,550 --> 02:46:08,430 hand out our PhDs up on the podium here Anthony so Sakowski, 2761 02:46:09,630 --> 02:46:15,750 Kyle Selleck, get Cervantes, Jeffrey Kharbut sir Cox and Sir 2762 02:46:15,750 --> 02:46:20,100 Lee noir who will be a sir in just a moment all of you are now 2763 02:46:20,100 --> 02:46:25,500 official graduates have no agenda graduates, you have a PhD 2764 02:46:25,500 --> 02:46:28,680 in media deconstruction. Thank you for supporting us and thank 2765 02:46:28,680 --> 02:46:37,140 you for graduating. Thank you for graduating is I'm getting 2766 02:46:37,140 --> 02:46:37,830 better at it. 2767 02:46:38,250 --> 02:46:41,490 John C Dvorak: Yeah, your your script needs work. Well, 2768 02:46:41,520 --> 02:46:44,820 Adam Curry: it's not like anyone who's writing me a script. I 2769 02:46:44,820 --> 02:46:45,870 could use some help. 2770 02:46:46,470 --> 02:46:50,040 John C Dvorak: Just get a hold of Jen Sakis. Producer 2771 02:46:50,070 --> 02:46:52,710 Adam Curry: now please. Oh, no. You just insulted me. No, you're 2772 02:46:52,710 --> 02:46:57,000 just insulting me. We have one Dame and we have three nights. 2773 02:46:57,000 --> 02:47:03,660 So if you can grab that. Oh, I'll take that. Hello, Rosie, 2774 02:47:03,660 --> 02:47:06,840 come on up here. Anthony Sakowski Jeffrey Corbin and 2775 02:47:06,840 --> 02:47:10,380 there is LISI nor all of you have supported the no agenda 2776 02:47:10,380 --> 02:47:13,620 show in the amount of $1,000 or more some of you instantaneously 2777 02:47:13,620 --> 02:47:18,000 today I'm therefore very proud to pronounce the as de morosi 2778 02:47:18,000 --> 02:47:22,050 villi. Protector of wall pockets. seranthony Protector of 2779 02:47:22,050 --> 02:47:27,330 installation is 07 Sure, Corby and surly noir for you. We've 2780 02:47:27,330 --> 02:47:30,480 got hookers and blow rent boys and Chardonnay along with that 2781 02:47:30,480 --> 02:47:33,840 we got warm beer and cold women fish pie and for this show, we 2782 02:47:33,840 --> 02:47:36,330 got harlots and hell doll redheads and Ryan's organic 2783 02:47:36,330 --> 02:47:39,630 macaroni and plasticizers beer and Blondes, brunettes dripping 2784 02:47:39,630 --> 02:47:43,020 and Rosae sparkling cider and escorts ginger ale and Jerboas. 2785 02:47:43,470 --> 02:47:47,340 And of course, Martin and Mead Yes, head over there to to no 2786 02:47:47,340 --> 02:47:50,400 agenda rings.com Also, if you've got a PhD today, the same 2787 02:47:50,400 --> 02:47:53,790 website will help you enter your address so we know where to send 2788 02:47:53,790 --> 02:47:57,210 it exactly what name you want on it for our night, our nights and 2789 02:47:57,210 --> 02:47:58,140 our dame. Yes. 2790 02:47:58,140 --> 02:48:00,390 John C Dvorak: And we recommend you put your name on an actual 2791 02:48:00,900 --> 02:48:01,680 it'll, it'll look 2792 02:48:01,680 --> 02:48:03,000 Adam Curry: a lot more a lot more 2793 02:48:03,900 --> 02:48:05,490 John C Dvorak: people will go up to because it'd be you're gonna 2794 02:48:05,490 --> 02:48:08,700 put it on the wall maybe yeah. And go What is this? 2795 02:48:08,790 --> 02:48:10,830 Adam Curry: No, yeah, why that because you go up to it and be 2796 02:48:10,830 --> 02:48:15,120 like, Oh, this is real, which it is. It's a real PhD in media 2797 02:48:15,120 --> 02:48:19,980 deconstruction. No agenda rings.com. And for those of you 2798 02:48:19,980 --> 02:48:23,070 who are Dame or knights today, you will also get your wax to 2799 02:48:23,070 --> 02:48:25,620 seal your important correspondence with along with 2800 02:48:25,620 --> 02:48:28,650 that comes a certificate of authenticity. And thank you all, 2801 02:48:28,890 --> 02:48:31,740 from the bottom of our hearts. Thank you so much for supporting 2802 02:48:31,740 --> 02:48:34,920 the show. We love what we do, and we couldn't do it without 2803 02:48:34,920 --> 02:48:35,130 you. 2804 02:48:43,110 --> 02:48:46,860 Yes, it's no agenda, the home game you get to do it all 2805 02:48:47,280 --> 02:48:51,120 together in a location of your choice. No agenda meetups.com is 2806 02:48:51,120 --> 02:48:54,180 where you can find out where in the world a meetup will take 2807 02:48:54,180 --> 02:48:57,330 place near you. It is an incredible list. It is an 2808 02:48:57,330 --> 02:49:01,620 incredible collection of producers who are out there 2809 02:49:01,620 --> 02:49:06,810 organizing these it is more necessary now than ever in 2810 02:49:06,810 --> 02:49:10,500 today's crazy world. A just get out you've just put your phone 2811 02:49:10,500 --> 02:49:13,110 in your back pocket, turn it off hanging out with some people 2812 02:49:13,170 --> 02:49:16,440 have a brewski or whatever you want to do and just chat and 2813 02:49:16,440 --> 02:49:20,100 have a good time. Meet children from other lands. And this is 2814 02:49:20,100 --> 02:49:22,380 what they did in Fort Wayne in October. Here's their meet up 2815 02:49:22,380 --> 02:49:22,740 report. 2816 02:49:22,770 --> 02:49:24,900 Unknown: Hello, Adam and John. This is Shannon from Fort Wayne 2817 02:49:24,930 --> 02:49:26,880 many believe and it's likely true that everybody in 2818 02:49:26,880 --> 02:49:29,850 attendance had a great time. Look at that juice. PVR street 2819 02:49:29,850 --> 02:49:33,720 gang is morning. Thank you for your courage. Damn Trinity from 2820 02:49:33,720 --> 02:49:36,180 Fort Wayne, thank you for your courage. Hi, it's 2821 02:49:36,180 --> 02:49:38,550 Shelly from Fort Wayne. Thank you for your courage. This is 2822 02:49:38,550 --> 02:49:40,530 Jared from Fort Wayne, not the subway guy. 2823 02:49:40,650 --> 02:49:43,710 Adam Curry: Yeah, thank you. The Webster County whet your whistle 2824 02:49:43,710 --> 02:49:46,500 meet ups into new report. Hello Hello Aloha. 2825 02:49:46,530 --> 02:49:49,050 Unknown: This is Charles Shelton at the Webster County whet your 2826 02:49:49,050 --> 02:49:55,080 whistle Wednesday meet up third monthly and we have a nice fine 2827 02:49:55,080 --> 02:49:57,330 crowd of fine folks here. I'm gonna pass the phone around. 2828 02:49:57,960 --> 02:50:01,560 Sir Matt Decker in the morning. You Shout out to dangerous Dan 2829 02:50:01,560 --> 02:50:03,180 can make it but shout out to him. 2830 02:50:03,750 --> 02:50:09,000 This is Baronet Benjamin we had pizza beautiful in the morning 2831 02:50:09,240 --> 02:50:13,290 in the morning is Sir Bernie Atomo attending this my first 2832 02:50:13,290 --> 02:50:17,880 meeting out here so you and John and Adam are doing well good 2833 02:50:17,880 --> 02:50:20,790 morning and in the morning to get mo nation 2834 02:50:20,820 --> 02:50:23,100 thank you for your courage for everybody coming out here today 2835 02:50:23,100 --> 02:50:26,970 in connection is protecting respect we must we must we Mitch 2836 02:50:27,000 --> 02:50:31,230 much what's that's much bitch decommitted nailed it. 2837 02:50:32,520 --> 02:50:35,340 Adam Curry: Fantastic. Great report we got a written report 2838 02:50:35,340 --> 02:50:37,770 from Sir spooky of the Elm streets the Halloween 2839 02:50:37,770 --> 02:50:42,690 spooktacular meet up. It was one of the friendliest. Good time 2840 02:50:42,690 --> 02:50:45,900 was a friend. fiendishly good time I'm sorry. It was one of 2841 02:50:45,900 --> 02:50:48,960 the highest attended suburban Chicago meetups happy to report 2842 02:50:48,960 --> 02:50:52,230 that a few people wear costumes Curiously, the first couple to 2843 02:50:52,230 --> 02:50:56,370 attend came dressed as federal agents wasn't because was the 2844 02:50:56,370 --> 02:51:00,690 costume or their uniform can't be too sure. We raffled off some 2845 02:51:00,690 --> 02:51:03,660 horror movies that cozy blanket from the no agenda shop and 2846 02:51:03,660 --> 02:51:06,720 credit for the donation we got that earlier generous group of 2847 02:51:06,720 --> 02:51:09,630 producers managed to raise the pot to the executive level 2848 02:51:09,630 --> 02:51:12,450 ultimately sir el que tem was the lucky winner of the credit. 2849 02:51:12,690 --> 02:51:15,720 It was his first meet up donation of 333 is coming via 2850 02:51:15,720 --> 02:51:19,410 PayPal. The final highlight of the night was watching a very 2851 02:51:19,410 --> 02:51:22,440 special episode of Swamp Thing. Yes, your performance as 2852 02:51:22,440 --> 02:51:26,190 Rockstar Nathan stone elevated and otherwise goofy and baffling 2853 02:51:26,190 --> 02:51:29,250 plot. You had more screen time than the titular Swamp Thing 2854 02:51:29,250 --> 02:51:32,010 himself and for that we're grateful. I look forward to 2855 02:51:32,010 --> 02:51:35,850 screening it again next year. And thank you very much for that 2856 02:51:35,850 --> 02:51:41,430 report. Brandon sounds like it was a very fine meet up indeed. 2857 02:51:41,430 --> 02:51:44,100 Here's what's on the calendar for today. New Hampshire's meet 2858 02:51:44,100 --> 02:51:47,940 up at the community oven should kick off in just a bit at Epping 2859 02:51:47,970 --> 02:51:51,570 in that's an epic New Hampshire. The five forks first Thursday 2860 02:51:51,570 --> 02:51:55,080 inaugural meet up at Bullwinkle Tavern in Simpsonville, South 2861 02:51:55,080 --> 02:51:59,970 Carolina six o'clock today. The yeah no November northern wake 2862 02:51:59,970 --> 02:52:03,420 no agenda meet up six o'clock at Compass Rose brewing in Raleigh, 2863 02:52:03,420 --> 02:52:05,910 North Carolina underway in just about an hour from now. 2864 02:52:06,180 --> 02:52:08,940 Tomorrow, the second official Vancouver Canada meet up for 2865 02:52:08,940 --> 02:52:14,520 2023 Let me reserve a place for you at Lu Leticia LADEE Saturday 2866 02:52:14,520 --> 02:52:17,400 Ciao pizza. Seven o'clock Vancouver British Columbia 2867 02:52:17,400 --> 02:52:21,180 Canada Navia on Saturday fun and Frisco two o'clock at skyhouse 2868 02:52:21,180 --> 02:52:25,140 Frisco station Frisco Texas and finally on Sunday, our next show 2869 02:52:25,140 --> 02:52:28,440 de Central Florida meet up two o'clock at hourglass brewing in 2870 02:52:28,440 --> 02:52:32,640 Longwood, Florida. Reminder the keeper and I will be at the 2871 02:52:32,670 --> 02:52:36,870 Austin Sunset Valley. This docks backyard meet up on November 18. 2872 02:52:36,900 --> 02:52:40,710 And at the Indianapolis Indiana meetup on December 4, they're 2873 02:52:40,710 --> 02:52:43,290 going to be there's going to be people from neighboring states 2874 02:52:43,290 --> 02:52:47,040 coming to that meet up it's going to be quite the scene I 2875 02:52:47,040 --> 02:52:50,520 believe we're very excited to be there. No agenda meetups it's a 2876 02:52:50,520 --> 02:52:53,760 great place to get together with people who think the same who 2877 02:52:53,760 --> 02:52:57,000 don't get triggered by stuff who aren't mind controlled by the 2878 02:52:57,000 --> 02:53:00,720 media and who know that connection is protection no one 2879 02:53:00,720 --> 02:53:03,780 urgent no agenda meetups.com If you can't find one near you 2880 02:53:03,780 --> 02:53:11,430 start one yourself it's easy and always a party with all the nice 2881 02:53:11,640 --> 02:53:28,860 days you won't be triggered you say is like apart Well I only 2882 02:53:28,860 --> 02:53:32,760 have one ISO and it's just it is what it is. So I'll play it Wow, 2883 02:53:32,760 --> 02:53:39,270 one ratio to only play mine. Wow. That's my I saw Wow. Can 2884 02:53:39,270 --> 02:53:41,820 you beat that key beat I think I think 2885 02:53:41,820 --> 02:53:42,600 John C Dvorak: I do beat it 2886 02:53:42,689 --> 02:53:43,529 Unknown: fascinating. 2887 02:53:44,520 --> 02:53:46,680 Adam Curry: We could do them both. They're so short. 2888 02:53:46,830 --> 02:53:47,610 Fascinating. 2889 02:53:47,640 --> 02:53:51,900 John C Dvorak: Wow. How about the other way? Okay. Try the 2890 02:53:51,900 --> 02:53:53,520 other way around. Wow, 2891 02:53:53,550 --> 02:53:54,300 Unknown: fascinating. 2892 02:53:54,360 --> 02:53:58,440 Adam Curry: Okay, sold. Sold. We'll do it live there on the 2893 02:53:58,440 --> 02:53:59,070 fly. 2894 02:53:59,100 --> 02:54:02,340 John C Dvorak: Do it live your life do it. I have one goofy 2895 02:54:02,340 --> 02:54:05,490 clip I want to play although it could be the end of the show. 2896 02:54:07,170 --> 02:54:08,370 Adam Curry: If you're gonna do something goofy, the mission 2897 02:54:08,370 --> 02:54:12,540 make sure we don't do anything important. This whole bump is 2898 02:54:12,540 --> 02:54:13,050 all down 2899 02:54:13,050 --> 02:54:16,530 John C Dvorak: and on. COVID Explain. Yeah, you lay on Death 2900 02:54:16,530 --> 02:54:17,070 Valley. 2901 02:54:17,100 --> 02:54:20,550 Adam Curry: I want to do COVID on this. There's some some great 2902 02:54:20,550 --> 02:54:25,020 stuff for Sunday the What's App gate with Boris Johnson's the 2903 02:54:25,020 --> 02:54:27,870 what's apps about? You know, this big inquiry about okay, 2904 02:54:27,870 --> 02:54:30,480 John C Dvorak: we'll do that on Sunday. But I do have one more 2905 02:54:30,480 --> 02:54:32,010 serious one I want to get away from 2906 02:54:32,460 --> 02:54:34,560 Adam Curry: don't do anything serious or something funny. 2907 02:54:35,010 --> 02:54:35,490 Okay, well, 2908 02:54:35,490 --> 02:54:37,110 John C Dvorak: I got the one funny this has been going 2909 02:54:37,110 --> 02:54:42,330 around. This is the clip that's been floating around because 2910 02:54:42,330 --> 02:54:46,380 it's so funny. It's from an Australian news channel about 2911 02:54:47,460 --> 02:54:49,830 it's the oz TV biotech story. 2912 02:54:49,949 --> 02:54:52,829 Unknown: An Australian biotech company has developed a new 2913 02:54:52,829 --> 02:54:56,189 treatment it hopes will predict people dying from code of that 2914 02:54:56,189 --> 02:54:56,729 state. 2915 02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:03,930 Adam Curry: satis Wow, who needs who needs that? We can predict 2916 02:55:03,930 --> 02:55:11,490 it for you. That's crazy. All right. I'll do a crazy one. This 2917 02:55:11,490 --> 02:55:17,250 is just a couple of new terms. It's only 58 seconds. They had 2918 02:55:17,250 --> 02:55:21,810 the world the United Nations World Cities day, held in Turkey 2919 02:55:21,810 --> 02:55:28,560 a hey, in Turkey a and Her Excellency Emin air Dhawan, the 2920 02:55:28,560 --> 02:55:33,480 I guess, the president aerator Juan's wife is an excellency. 2921 02:55:34,140 --> 02:55:40,560 She gave a speech, as did the What's his face would tell us. 2922 02:55:40,740 --> 02:55:44,160 But there was a new term in here that I really liked it on 2923 02:55:44,160 --> 02:55:45,930 Unknown: lambda Shailesh. My DAG is 2924 02:55:46,139 --> 02:55:49,979 the key to every Global change is hidden in urbanization. 2925 02:55:50,129 --> 02:55:53,129 However, the importance of cities has gained a different 2926 02:55:53,129 --> 02:55:57,149 dimension in the modern world, where urbanization is growing at 2927 02:55:57,149 --> 02:56:02,369 an unstoppable pace. Research shows that by 2057, out of 10 2928 02:56:02,369 --> 02:56:06,119 people will live in cities. Rapid urbanization brings with 2929 02:56:06,119 --> 02:56:10,289 it many crises and tests for us. One of the most important 2930 02:56:10,289 --> 02:56:13,859 problems it has raised is undoubtedly climate change, 2931 02:56:14,039 --> 02:56:17,039 which has turned our Earth into a bleeding globe. 2932 02:56:17,640 --> 02:56:20,310 Adam Curry: Come on, what's the bleeding globe? 2933 02:56:20,640 --> 02:56:21,840 John C Dvorak: A bleeding globe. 2934 02:56:22,829 --> 02:56:26,369 Adam Curry: That's, that's the new term. Our Earth. Thanks to 2935 02:56:26,369 --> 02:56:34,799 climate change. Our Earth is now bleeding globe. Wow. That was my 2936 02:56:34,799 --> 02:56:41,819 thinking. Exactly. Wow. Wow. All right, everybody. So we do have 2937 02:56:41,819 --> 02:56:46,229 some good stuff for Sunday. I have a ton of Big Pharma related 2938 02:56:46,229 --> 02:56:51,419 things. Along with the COVID and more climate change. We just had 2939 02:56:51,419 --> 02:56:55,049 to give you the important stuff today. So aren't you glad you 2940 02:56:55,049 --> 02:56:58,049 made it? Aren't you glad you're here? Aren't you glad you 2941 02:56:58,049 --> 02:57:01,439 downloaded Aren't you glad you subscribe to our podcast hit the 2942 02:57:01,439 --> 02:57:09,089 subscribe button now that alarm bell pound it coming up next the 2943 02:57:09,089 --> 02:57:14,519 no agenda stream we have oh, podcasting 2.0 Here the latest 2944 02:57:14,519 --> 02:57:18,629 about what's going on and in podcasting. 2.0 We've got a bomb 2945 02:57:18,629 --> 02:57:24,659 Moran end of show mix. With man, some old ones there. Donald is 2946 02:57:24,659 --> 02:57:27,539 in there. I'll put it all in the credits coming to you from the 2947 02:57:27,539 --> 02:57:30,569 heart of the Texas Hill Country. It's here in FEMA Region number 2948 02:57:30,569 --> 02:57:34,709 six. In the morning, everybody I'm Adam curry 2949 02:57:35,100 --> 02:57:37,740 John C Dvorak: and from Northern Silicon Valley where I remain 2950 02:57:37,740 --> 02:57:40,620 and we have our summers continuing I'm John C. Dvorak. 2951 02:57:40,650 --> 02:57:43,710 Adam Curry: Oh well winter has kicked in here it's 37 degrees 2952 02:57:43,710 --> 02:57:49,050 outside Remember 75 Remember us at the vortec.org/and A until 2953 02:57:49,050 --> 02:57:59,280 Sunday adios mofos are who we are and answer bom bom bom bom 2954 02:57:59,280 --> 02:58:01,020 bom bom bom bom 2955 02:58:19,890 --> 02:58:20,790 Unknown: you in fact I 2956 02:58:20,790 --> 02:58:29,430 would say bom bom bom bom bom bom again bomb them we need to 2957 02:58:29,430 --> 02:58:35,940 kill them bomb them, bomb them. We need to kill bomb them. bomb 2958 02:58:35,940 --> 02:58:41,160 them we need to bomb them. We need to kill them and bomb them 2959 02:58:41,160 --> 02:58:41,640 again 2960 02:58:59,910 --> 02:59:03,360 somebody's going to drop a new care I don't know who it is. But 2961 02:59:03,360 --> 02:59:10,230 I don't want to watch it. We need to kill them. We need to 2962 02:59:10,380 --> 02:59:19,590 kill them. bomb them. bomb them. bomb them. bomb them again 2963 02:59:37,170 --> 02:59:47,790 we need to kill them. We need to kill them. Bomb then bomb them 2964 02:59:48,510 --> 02:59:55,920 and bomb them again and bomb them again a bomb then bomb them 2965 02:59:56,640 --> 03:00:03,660 and bomb them again and bomb them again. Add a bomb then bomb 2966 03:00:03,660 --> 03:00:17,820 them and kill them bomb then bomb them and kill them bomb 2967 03:00:18,450 --> 03:00:27,720 bomb them again them again we need to kill them on them again 2968 03:00:30,960 --> 03:00:38,550 on them again we need to kill them and bomb them again bom bom 2969 03:00:38,550 --> 03:00:42,390 bom bom Iran bom bom bom? 2970 03:01:08,880 --> 03:01:11,880 fora.org/in 2971 03:01:11,939 --> 03:01:14,939 a wow fascinating