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Adam Curry Jhansi devora Sunday
April 11 2021 this is your award

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winning give on nation media
assassination Episode 1337 This

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is no agenda feelin

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broadcasting almost live from
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frontier of Austin, Texas
Capitol in the drone Star State

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in the morning, everybody. I'm
Adam Curry

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and from Northern Silicon Valley
where we're live to tape. Live

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to tape. I'm John C Dvorak

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buzzkill.

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Live, we're doing live.

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Happy leet

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I believe man, big, big number.
Big number three, seven,

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big number for the show. This is
the one that everyone wants to

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be an executive producer of and
I think you will be very happy

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with that because we have a
special while john and i are

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still resting up and preparing
for COVID 2021. Because, cuz,

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you know,

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you know that's coming. You want
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This is unbelievable. So we're
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were getting ready to record
this we were looking for the

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name of the executive producer
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John's stories and that aired
now is this the last time we

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took off? I think so. No one was
so that was Episode 12 on

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December 22 2019 so we've been
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years. No, no,

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that's 2019 2018

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okay 2019 to go all the way for
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there you go. So yeah, guess
what you kind of 15 months Yeah,

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right but about 15 months Okay,
that was right. Well, good. We

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deserve this time off. Are you
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off?

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Oh, yeah, I'm having the time of
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to do clips

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you are sitting at home by
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just hanging out in the chaise
in the chaise shade now it's

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been quite a while since I've
heard this but we had john

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stories, whichever we

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give credit to our

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Sir, sir. Good waffle. So Rubin
walk. Yes,

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sir. Yes, he shows.

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I wanted to be syrup and
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and was

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waffles. Okay, that could be

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syrup, syrup and waffle.

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Yes, exactly. So he did these
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the same era of anecdotes, we of
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stories during 2020, because it
was a year of the COVID.

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We were listening to the biggest
tale ever told.

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And so yes, we don't need to do
our own material. And so this is

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the this is your collection of
stories. And that we're going to

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delve into and just non stop, I
guess we'll take one break in

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the middle. And then we were
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All right, here we go my legacy
in the first half the first

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hour. Bear with me on this
because this is this is should

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have been thinking about a lot
over the past couple days. So I

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truly believe that in the not
too distant future, maybe five

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years, let's just make it easy
on ourselves. In in five years,

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there will be enough ubiquitous
bandwidth around and, and

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streaming capabilities that
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digital radios. I mean, it's
it's what d a b already is. But

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it'll be two way. And so you'll
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you'll be you can do that today
over you know over your your

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mobile phone. The price may vary
depending on your plan and where

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you live and all that shit. But
bar the subways. You know, you

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can probably I've done I chats
with Pete with with Kj with

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Chris Jacob on while he was on
the train, you know, coming down

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from from upstate New York, you
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stream out there. What if we had
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hours a day, and we just keep
adding to it? Right? So if you

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drop in, you'll hear the
conversation that eventually

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you'll get up to a point that
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you're up to date. And when you
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I think this is a good idea, by
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there's a complication here,
which is for example, we'll go

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back to the by and large rant.
Yeah, we have to make this work,

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right. We'd have to actually
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about in some logical way.

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indexed sounds like

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you have it. There you go.
Sounds like work.

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Oh, clearly. That's a non
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this through a little bit more
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we get your guy's Bubba, like
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on now. But I don't know about
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like at his wit's end already.
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by the way, I'm not I'm not
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Gianna. I'm just saying,

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I'll probably do it. But
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that probably would do it for
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doing it? I think because what
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we like to package stuff because
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they like to do all this stuff
themselves is to get a team of

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volunteer kids. Yeah. You know,
by our standards, kids, anyone.

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Have them have them mashup
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Exactly. I think it'd be more
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That reminds me, when I, when I
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system, I was going to the
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Amsterdam for three years after
we move that move that when I

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was seven, and just to give you
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we had a week off from the iisa
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Amsterdam. And my parents sat me
my sister's down Sunday evening,

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guess what you guys are going to
do tomorrow? We're like, well,

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what are we going to do? You're
going to Dutch school. Like

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what? And I actually really,
really spoke just a few words of

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Dutch. So enter Dutch school,
fifth grade, and within I think,

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like two or three months into
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year, the teacher, he says, oh,
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Americans did not this is a time
when Americans were not very

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loved in in Europe, Texas
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I walk on the street, they know
who I was, and the kids were

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like, you crazy Mexican, she'd
go fuck yourself. I mean, that's

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what I would get as a fifth
grader. And then the teacher

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says, Alright, here's one. How
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United States of America have in
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50 states and now. It's 52. You
forgot Alaska and Hawaii? I

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said, No, he was 48. And then we
watch No, no. Can you don't even

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know this? And he said he just
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know, I was already messed up.
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American Embassy and recording
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little cassette recorders taking
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was a well, she was referencing
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Britannica. I could not get them
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Anyway, your next story.

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Okay. Thanks. Now, this is like
a music business story. Do you

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know who Seymour Stein is?

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The name rings

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a bell but no. Okay. Seymour
Stein is the guy who first he

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legend in the music business
started Sire Records and Sire

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Records, you know, as many
famous artists. But Seymour

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Stein is really known for
Madonna. He really took Madonna

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into mainstream to the first big
album whether and he was her.

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Sire was her record label in the
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career. And Seymour Stein is
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with him, you know, back in the,
I don't know, like mid 80s in

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London. And just one of these
really weird guys. Typical music

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industry guys like he had a fish
tank in his office with 100

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pound a 50 was no 50 pound notes
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and they were Parana. Swimming
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welcome to go you know grab the
50 pound note if you don't mind

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your hand getting eaten by a
Parana This is really one of

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these guys, right? Hilarious.
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Stein was also a legend in the
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manager, famously of the Ramones
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woman you can imagine if she
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she would yell she would scream
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Shut the fuck up. You know? When
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was complaining about
everything. He didn't like the

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food and and she just said then
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you fucking these legendary. And
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know, Seymour Stein was gay If
not, at least by but you know,

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it was really weird. These two
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eventually. So she was ex for a
reason. So legendary woman

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legend fact. As she had cancer
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cancer and she's This is a no
just one of those famous stories

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about her. So take it with a
grain of salt. Four hours after

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the operation, she was already
on the phone yelling at someone

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who fucked something up. Yeah,
just just crazy. They found her

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bludgeoned to death in her
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on Fifth Avenue. Oh, really?

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Yeah. As well as in in the news
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Well, well, there you go. But
it's just it's one of those you

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watch. The stories will come out
I'm sure because, you know, lots

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of artists dealt with her. So
I'm sure people are going to be

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talking about this. You watch.
It's going to be an interesting

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story. I'm I'm

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sure that it'll, yeah, it sounds
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develop. That's interesting. And
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I mean? She is like, you know
who, who really were her enemies

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who would have wanted to do this
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everybody. Everybody could have
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time and bludgeoned to death. Of
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been out of the business for
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happen now, it's just crazy.

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Late 70s, mid 80s, something
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because I remember doc McGee who
was he's now manager for Gene

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Simmons, which is kind of sad.
He's on that family jewels

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reality show but he at the time
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in rock'n'roll. He was managing
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maybe even Ozzy Osborne, and he
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of marijuana into Florida on his
Learjet, which is like, I don't

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know what type Lear jet it was,
but that must have been heavy.

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And so he didn't go to jail. But
instead the judge said, Well,

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I'll let you go. But as a part
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jail free ticket, you have to do
a number of anti drug anti

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alcohol concerts.

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That's how you're gonna say he
has to do reality TV.

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Well, now this this is 1988. And
that's how I wound up in Russia

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actually, because they had the
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which he organized and this is
before the wall came down. And

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so we went on a plane from
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like Bon Jovi, Motley Crue Ozzy
Osborne, we stopped in Germany

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to pick up the scorpions. And
then we did this shows like 10

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days at Lenin Stadium in Moscow.
But the funniest thing was this

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plane which was a chartered
plane, like a like it was like a

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DC something like a cigar to
really long and very

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uncomfortable, particularly for
that flight. Everyone was

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hammered. She's like I said,
this was the anti drug, anti

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alcohol, Ozzy Osborne, I will
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him standing in the aisle
because the laboratory was

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occupied. And he's going Sharon,
Sharon is someone new. And

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Sharon, by the way was this fat
little pudgy English chick with

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bad complexion. And, and Ozzy
couldn't get in the bathroom and

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he peed himself right there
right in the aisle. You know,

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like a six year old a huge stain
in the front of his pants. It

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was just unbelievable. And that
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ticket that Doc mageba. Again,
everyone's hammered the whole

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way through. And then Bon Jovi's
doctor on the way back was

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handing out housie and everybody
here, it'll help you sleep like

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oh, help me sleep. I was messed
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suicidal. Almost. Two anyway,
the point is, end users of drugs

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are stupid, because the real
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I will say it is so impressive
when you see how the big

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broadcast personalities I when
msnbc launched and they were

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over in New Jersey. This was
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actually was before think it was
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course, were one of the partners
with NBC. They they needed a

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chat to to go along with some of
their programming and I can't

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remember exactly how but
actually it was Denise What was

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her name? Who was a Microsoft
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Caruso, I want to say does that
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she was a journalist. Now.

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I'm not sure nice. It was Denise
something or other and she was

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in charge of at the time it was
Microsoft comic chat. Remember

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that? We have these little
avatars, right?

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It's another thing that failed.
Of course, they never stick to

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these things as a problem. They
couldn't

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scale. This was the problem. So
they couldn't scale it. And the

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the team within Microsoft was
really worried and they but they

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wanted some form of

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chat.

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And we had a bunch of these
hacker boys like with names like

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rat boy. And I forgot. Alan
Louie was one not that that's a

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cool name. But I just remembered
these guys. And they had

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basically hacked together a
very, very, very basic, very

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frickin simple CGI script into
an IRC, you know, proven

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technology, right? Go figure.
And so we had this really robust

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chat based on IRC, which I did
this date, obviously still can't

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figure out. And so they hired us
to implement this. And because

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of that, we were we were invited
to the opening. And you'll

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recall perhaps that the big
interview they had an opening

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day was Tom Brokaw. Tom Bradshaw
tomorrow, giants ruling

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President Bill Clinton, and I
sat in the control room and I

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was blown away by the
professionalism of this guy. So

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he's got his earpiece in and
he's talking he's having a

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conversation and I believe he is
listening to what the Then, you

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know, President was saying, and
so they're having a dialogue,

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and the producer is continuously
talking into his ear and giving

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them cues. And then it's like,
okay, Tom, we have 30 seconds to

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commercial, while Brokaw is
talking. And, and he's counting

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down the seconds and broke off,
fires off another question,

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which he knows is only going to
get a quick yes or no answer.

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And he pulls back away from the
president and hits the

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commercial break right on the
nose. And I still get goosebumps

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when I think about that that
actual sequence, it is unfreakin

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real, how good these guys are.
Well, so there's there's a

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couple things I'll say here.
Because I have been kind of

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following the Osmonds over the
past couple of weeks, mainly

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because, you know, Marie was in
Dancing with the Stars. And then

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and I like that show that she
passed out, right. So that that

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kind of got her into the news. I
know Donnie, in fact, I've raced

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against him in a celebrity race
in Denver. During the I was an

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indie, an indie event, IndyCar
when I was working for MTV, and

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you know, and the guy's fucking
serious. Yeah, he won the race,

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by the way, he's, you know, I
was impressed. He was, you know,

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we're all out partying, and he
was walking the track at five in

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the morning, you know, finding
the apex and all the fucking

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person wanting to win, he really
wanted to win. But I've been

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following this and the only
thing I can say is, you know,

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for what they had 100 Osmonds on
Oprah the other day 100 so you

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know, even though they're
Marie's dad had just passed away

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a few days earlier, they still
decided to come to Oprah show

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which is fine, you know, but you
know, what was the point? You

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know, she was there plugging her
dolls, which she sells on I

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think QVC or the home shopping
network which is I think really

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her main source of income and
I'm sure it does huge business

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but when you you know you step
back into the limelight you

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know, it's like a fucking
boomerang. I've seen this happen

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it's happened to me many times
you know, it comes back at you

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and positive energy comes back
fucking black and vice versa.

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It's just it's just it's it's
part of the beast, you know,

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only it whips a lot faster than
it used to. And the turnaround

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time is quicker, and the ups and
downs are severe. And this is

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just what happens I think.

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Here's a trend.

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Boys in Britain with increasing
rate do not want to French kiss.

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You're kidding.

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Yeah. And this is I had a whole
conversation with my daughter

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and a couple of her friends that
were here in the garden today.

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And it's

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Is it because the Brits hate the
French that much?

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That was my question too.

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But now like, we ate his fucking
French

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no more detailing.

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It's called a freedom from
freedom kiss now instead of

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French kissing now, they're just
not into it. It's in Believe me.

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There are a whole bunch of other
stuff because I you know, I did

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get all the details. But now
that they don't like French

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kissing, it's going out of
Vogue. Pun intended.

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That's interesting. Yeah.

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And so I've told my

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daughters to Sociology I think
behind that. I really

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don't know. You know, the first
thing I said is baby, maybe you

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need a tic tac, you know, she's
like, No, No, No dad, and then,

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you know, her friend Liz and a
couple of these girls say yeah,

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more and more boys just they
don't like it. They just said

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the boys.

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The girls don't one way or the
other. Not the boys.

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It's the boys who don't want a
French kiss. That's kind of

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trippy isn't it?

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That's wild. I wonder if that
what that trend is developing

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here.

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I have no idea. I personally I'm
a I'm a big fan.

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With French kissing boys. Yes,
but the way you set it up

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was to say I was open goal. That
was around the time The Truman

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Show came out. And and I was we
were back in Holland. We just

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moved back. And I got a call at
like 1130 at night it was john

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the Mall of Endemol. You know
and the mall is no and the mall

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the big production company. Most
Famous for big brother. Okay,

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yeah. Okay, worldwide success
sold to Telefonica for several

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billion. He called me Ron Lim 30
says Adam, Adam, Adam, come to

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my office. I want to show you
something. I'm like, Hi, that's

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kind of weird. But he was
already a pretty big television

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producer like okay, so I go in
he says, I got a mood tape for

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you. Okay, I know what a mood
tape is. He says it's it's kind

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of biosphere meets Truman Show.
And he showed me this tape and

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it was literally they had it. It
wasn't mood tapes, it was all

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stuff cut together and voiceover
to make it kind of looked like

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it was real. Essentially, it was
called golden cage. And the idea

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was that, you know, we'd lock in
10 people, five men, five women

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lock them up for a full year.
The new And then whoever would

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come out as the final person
would be the sorry about that

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would be the winner of

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like a million euros or
whatever. And, and that about

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three months later became big
brother.

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And oh, okay.

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Yeah. And I was right there at
the very, very start. And it was

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completely influenced and and I
betcha that pieces of real life

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were in that mood tape, I'm
going to see if I can find it

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because I have it somewhere. The
original Big Brother mood table

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and later actually, animal went
on to create a golden cage,

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which is like a really harsh
version of Big Brother with no

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better loving sex and getting
drunk and shit on camera meant

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that he tried to sell that in
the states that wouldn't even

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take it.

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Our standards?

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Yeah, boy, we sure do.

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Please.

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Some funny happened the other
day. And I have to say that I

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enjoy the show even more than I
used to. Because these are the

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two moments in my life at this
moment to two times in my life,

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that I hear everything perfectly
and in a beautifully processed,

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nice, rich sound.

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Because yes, I thought you can
say it's because you can go back

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into the closet, boys

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Hey, no.

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So the hearing aids, I've gotten
completely figured out I've got

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them customized configured. And
it's fantastic. But, but if you

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want to be able to hear things
you have to and it's very

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difficult from it you have to
learn to live with depending on

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the situation you're in, if
you're in a horribly filtered

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sound, an example would be in,
in the shopping mall. There's a

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good example, we talked about
the mall. If you want to be able

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to hear what people are saying
then you're going to basically

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only crank up the mids and
everything else has to go down

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turn on the directional mics,
which is one setting By the way,

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you have to do that all on the
fly. And they can hear everybody

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when

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they like this.

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And otherwise, it's just too
much noise that comes in anyway.

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So I'm wearing these things I'm
doing Wait a minute. Let's stop.

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Right. Well, I mean, you're just
you talking in vagaries? You are

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in the mall? You've got the
hearing aid right now it's in

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your ear? No.

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Oh, in the mall? Yes. Yeah. In
the mall. It's not, not what I'm

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doing. Now. No, no, no, no, what
I'm doing the show the headphone

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is on 11 which is why I hear
everything perfectly. And it

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sounds really good. And because
there's a noise gate, there's

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nothing else is being amplified
when I'm not talking. So this is

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this is the way I wish the world
sounded like this to me all the

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time. And I can go to I can turn
on music and I can put it on the

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music setting. No sound
fantastic ever stopping?

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What do you mean, you poke
yourself in the eye? How do you

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make the settings change?

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I thought I told you this is so
there's six settings pre

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programmed. And you have a
button on each unit. So I'm

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actually it's an odd thing

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is a big giant button. I find
the button it has to be

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miniscule. No, no, no.

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So the way the modern hearing
aids is not just something stuck

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in your ear canal, you have the
unit is hanging behind your ear,

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then there's a copper wire pair
that goes into really they call

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it a receiver but it's really a
tiny speaker. And that is in

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your ear canal. So so the unit
contains the battery, the

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processing, and you can one
button on each one. So if the

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right ear volume goes up, left,
your volume goes down. And

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either button if you long press
it'll change to a different

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program and the little lady's
voice or go music or Chicago

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party or urban or universal. You
with me?

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Yeah, and I'm trying to
visualize Okay, so you get a

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little thing in the back of your
ear that you can push a button.

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Yeah. And you push it into your
wait for the lady is because it

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will have voices come through
which is kind of cool. And tells

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you what setting is all this lid
off if there's

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other cool things. For instance,
if this doesn't happen with me,

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but if you thought it wouldn't,
if you lose one, then the one

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that's still in your ear will go
last mate

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which is an odd message to
receive you lose one. Well funny

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you ask.

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So we're up here on the 29th
floor and I'm taking some

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garbage some cardboard box to
throw down the chute.

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You're still using your little
thing to stand on. A little

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thing I stand on used to stand a
little thing for a little

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scooter thing.

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No I'm just walking down the
hallways that

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happened to that thing I gave it
away.

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It is a deathtrap they want to
die. So I'm walking down the

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hallway I go to the garbage
room. We Have two garbage shoes

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one for garbage one for
recycling. And so I'm I got this

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box and it won't fit. And so I'm
crushing the box it clips my ear

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the hearing aid flips off. hits
the box I try to grab it no it

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goes down 29 floors I couldn't
hear it more than five of course

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and ping ping ping ping ping
ping ping ping like okay

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wow that's what I call a freak
accident Yeah,

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so I immediately jump in the
elevator go down like that you

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jumped into shoot

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I shot what I like I'm not
shooting throw anything after it

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because you know, even though I
might mark where it is, you

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know, I don't know what could
happen it could have drawn Oh,

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got caught somewhere it's it has
a wire on it. You know, there's

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a he can get caught in anything.
So go downstairs, run to the

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underneath the building. I can't
find anything. One of the

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maintenance guys appears and I
tell him the stories like are

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you sure you put in the right
hand one said Yeah. And the

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recycling you really sure so
yeah, okay, good. And we go into

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where the, these big containers
are where all the trash dumps in

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from the entire building. And I
see what he was saying about the

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regular garbage because it goes
through a mulcher. And any, if

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you're throwing something down
that that tube, it's gonna get

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mulched. But and there it is,
there's the the recycle

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container. And you know, it's up
to my chest I'm looking in. It's

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like, I can't see anything, I
can't get in focus anything, the

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00:26:22,380 --> 00:26:26,610
maintenance guy hops in 30
seconds, picks it up. And it's

443
00:26:26,610 --> 00:26:29,580
in the wire, the wire had
dislodged from the little

444
00:26:30,090 --> 00:26:33,030
speaker. So I'm like, Well, at
least I have that part of the

445
00:26:33,030 --> 00:26:35,400
unit. And they said, Oh, and
there's this, he picked it right

446
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:41,160
out of the recycling. Wow. And
the What happened then? Well,

447
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:44,850
first of all, when this took
place, as I said, when it was

448
00:26:44,850 --> 00:26:48,390
going think blink, blink, blink,
blink down the chute, my other

449
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:53,880
egos last mate, to understand
kind of how I can be useful. And

450
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,520
then when I had it in my hand
and he gave it back to me and

451
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:57,720
went mate found.

452
00:26:59,700 --> 00:27:03,660
Yeah, I can't imagine if you're
a complete idiot, you don't know

453
00:27:03,660 --> 00:27:05,910
you lost a mate that would come
in very handy.

454
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,760
Well, I don't know what it's
like to be completely deaf, or

455
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,400
very, very deaf and that these
things are only marginally

456
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:16,260
helping somebody so maybe, I
don't know. You know, when you

457
00:27:16,260 --> 00:27:18,810
run out of gas in your car, and
I've had this happen, I ran out

458
00:27:18,810 --> 00:27:22,890
of gas once in the Lincoln
Tunnel. And that by the way, on

459
00:27:22,890 --> 00:27:24,390
a Friday afternoon,

460
00:27:24,420 --> 00:27:27,990
never tell you the story. You
must have been the bad vibes a

461
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:30,450
digital exists. hanging over
your head,

462
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,290
I tell you the whole story that
it's hilarious. So these were

463
00:27:34,290 --> 00:27:42,000
the days I had a 1972 and a
white night 1982 Rolls Royce

464
00:27:42,180 --> 00:27:47,190
silver shadow to which I bought
secondhand, beautiful British

465
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:49,800
racing green, you know, great
car, I drove it in New York

466
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,400
every single day I drove 80,000
miles I put on that car. And of

467
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,250
course, it's ridiculous. You
know, I think I paid 70 grand

468
00:27:56,250 --> 00:28:02,700
for it at the time when I had
money. Boy, good old days. And

469
00:28:03,660 --> 00:28:06,600
so I'm coming out in New York on
a Friday afternoon. You have to

470
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,770
understand that in New York. And
this is MTV days. Friday

471
00:28:10,770 --> 00:28:14,160
afternoons, the Lincoln Tunnel
is jammed. Because of course,

472
00:28:14,460 --> 00:28:17,610
the the Jewish population of New
York all tries to get out around

473
00:28:17,610 --> 00:28:21,210
three o'clock in the afternoon
to get home in time for for the

474
00:28:21,210 --> 00:28:21,690
gods of the

475
00:28:21,690 --> 00:28:23,520
Hamptons and out of town. Well,

476
00:28:23,519 --> 00:28:25,079
the Hamptons is not through the
Lincoln Tunnel.

477
00:28:25,769 --> 00:28:26,819
Right this the other way,

478
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,090
right. But, but basically all
tunnels and bridges are jammed.

479
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:31,560
And so I'm like,

480
00:28:31,619 --> 00:28:34,199
Is it going to Yeah, they're
going to Jersey. Joyce home?

481
00:28:34,199 --> 00:28:34,439
Yeah,

482
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:38,070
the Jersey Shore. So and I know
there's a gas station on the

483
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:40,380
other side on the jersey side,
right. I can make this I can

484
00:28:40,380 --> 00:28:44,820
make this Oh, and it conks out
in the Lincoln Tunnel. On a

485
00:28:44,820 --> 00:28:49,020
Friday afternoon. I'm wearing my
MTV guy, leather jacket, my big

486
00:28:49,020 --> 00:28:50,250
Adam Curry hair.

487
00:28:50,670 --> 00:28:54,210
Let me tell you the douchebag of
the day they rent a story about

488
00:28:54,210 --> 00:28:58,110
this. They threw stuff at me
people were throwing their paper

489
00:28:58,110 --> 00:29:03,030
cups, like you a whole MTV
douche bag.

490
00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:09,419
And then because they literally
have to close off one. One lane

491
00:29:09,479 --> 00:29:13,079
and then the truck has to come
through to push the car works.

492
00:29:13,079 --> 00:29:13,439
Yeah,

493
00:29:13,499 --> 00:29:15,899
actually, they come out front
for hours and turn around. No.

494
00:29:16,679 --> 00:29:17,459
They they push

495
00:29:17,460 --> 00:29:19,830
me towards the jersey sides.
They push me all the way out.

496
00:29:20,130 --> 00:29:25,800
But I never again. And that's
also when I decided fancy

497
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,850
looking cars is not good.
Because you can't when it draws

498
00:29:29,850 --> 00:29:31,890
attention to you never got me
late either. I'll

499
00:29:31,890 --> 00:29:32,460
tell you that.

500
00:29:35,490 --> 00:29:39,990
I'm just remembering something.
So Kleiner Perkins always had

501
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,120
smokin hot receptionists

502
00:29:42,569 --> 00:29:44,699
they had some beautiful women in
the front

503
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:51,030
receptionist and I forget the
was a young woman forget her

504
00:29:51,030 --> 00:29:54,270
name. Did you know we'd also be
waiting we have to go there

505
00:29:54,270 --> 00:29:55,620
every week and have you

506
00:29:55,620 --> 00:29:56,370
always have to wait.

507
00:29:56,460 --> 00:30:00,000
You have to meetings like just
oh the board means I'll show up.

508
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,760
We're doing a show the damn
charts against him, we're

509
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,360
spending your money well, and I
would always hang out talking to

510
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,600
her. And she was kind of cool.
She was snowboarder, whatever,

511
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:14,310
but it's just, he was good
looking fun, interesting, good

512
00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:18,510
jokes, and always be hanging out
there anyway. And then as

513
00:30:19,230 --> 00:30:22,890
Kleiner Perkins had these
Christmas parties and stuff, and

514
00:30:22,890 --> 00:30:26,670
I got a call from Ray lane One
morning, say I say, Ray, what's

515
00:30:26,670 --> 00:30:31,470
gone? Well, there's a complaint
for sexual harassment, really.

516
00:30:31,740 --> 00:30:35,520
And it was this receptionist,
and she had this whole list of

517
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:40,020
people who had propositioned her
and it was clear that what

518
00:30:40,020 --> 00:30:42,390
became apparent is that she had
a history of doing this

519
00:30:42,390 --> 00:30:45,840
accompanies and she pretty much
gone to Kleiner Perkins, and it

520
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:50,580
saw people out and at one point,
she had asked me, Hey, you want

521
00:30:50,580 --> 00:30:54,240
to go get high? I'm like, Nah,
man, I got a I got a I got a

522
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,350
meeting here and No. And but
that came back in some

523
00:30:58,350 --> 00:31:02,100
complaints that I wanted to
smoke illegal drugs with her.

524
00:31:03,810 --> 00:31:06,780
And this was a ray lane, senior
partner was reading this to me

525
00:31:06,780 --> 00:31:09,150
over the phone say, This is
insane, right? What's going on

526
00:31:09,150 --> 00:31:13,080
with this? So they were
targeted. And, and with anybody

527
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:18,510
that had like, I guess they had
like, as a detective, because I

528
00:31:18,510 --> 00:31:20,880
saw the old you know, but this
guy showed up before this

529
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,730
complaint came in this guy
showed up and he was like, a co

530
00:31:23,730 --> 00:31:27,510
receptionist. It was very
strange. So they brought him in

531
00:31:27,510 --> 00:31:29,760
as the as people were starting
to suspect something. And

532
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,380
he was no one's gonna notice
that.

533
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,730
We're there to trap her. And she
apparently had done this to

534
00:31:35,730 --> 00:31:36,630
other companies.

535
00:31:37,260 --> 00:31:40,890
Yeah, so business should really
figure out what companies have,

536
00:31:40,890 --> 00:31:43,230
you know, as especially a good
looking woman, you can get jobs

537
00:31:43,230 --> 00:31:45,060
pretty easily. And that those
position

538
00:31:45,059 --> 00:31:48,119
I was offended, you know, I
would never ask someone to go

539
00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:49,739
smoking, knowing me

540
00:31:49,769 --> 00:31:53,249
know that the girls asked you
like what happened in that case?

541
00:31:54,990 --> 00:31:58,800
I never heard anything else
after that. But it's a weird

542
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,450
place. It's a weird place.

543
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,480
The reason why I'm sensitive
about this is because I once

544
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,450
said something in the
Netherlands for almost 30 years

545
00:32:09,450 --> 00:32:13,920
joking. And I didn't obviously,
I didn't make a joke. But what I

546
00:32:13,950 --> 00:32:17,160
would, because they sat me down,
you know, I had to apologize. It

547
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,960
was a big deal. Well, let's

548
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:24,240
hear this story. This by the
way, this show I want to mention

549
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,580
to everybody out there who helps
us show they contribute to the

550
00:32:26,580 --> 00:32:29,430
show, and they donate to the
show. And they they produce the

551
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:33,000
show and all the rest of it. On
any given show. I've taught I

552
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:39,210
tell this to people, Adam, or
myself would be fired two or

553
00:32:39,210 --> 00:32:44,160
three times. Oh, yeah. In the
normal circumstance, but since

554
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,350
we work for ourselves, and we
produce the show, we have our

555
00:32:46,350 --> 00:32:49,740
own infrastructure, there's
nobody can stop us. We do a lot

556
00:32:49,740 --> 00:32:53,070
of stuff that is that would get
get us fired. But now we have it

557
00:32:53,070 --> 00:32:56,370
an example that Adam is going to
give us of him actually almost

558
00:32:56,370 --> 00:32:58,860
getting fired over something.
Yeah.

559
00:33:00,390 --> 00:33:05,190
This must have been in 85 or 86.
In the Netherlands, I was on the

560
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:09,090
official radio, in the
Netherlands. And there was it

561
00:33:09,090 --> 00:33:13,830
was a there was I'm trying to
think what it was in relation to

562
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:19,050
But anyway, there was a news
item. And in the news item was

563
00:33:19,050 --> 00:33:23,400
something about some guys that
well, you know, you see how it

564
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,620
had to do with Israel and
Palestine or something like

565
00:33:25,620 --> 00:33:27,480
that. I don't really ride have
to look it up to remember the

566
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,020
specifics. Then he said no all
you know, the reason why this

567
00:33:31,020 --> 00:33:33,450
gets attention is you know, look
at who's running the media in

568
00:33:33,450 --> 00:33:36,180
America. And I commented and I
said, Well, you know, he's got a

569
00:33:36,180 --> 00:33:38,400
point there. You know, the the
names you see on the credit

570
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:44,280
roles in Hollywood often end
with Steen. And man, especially

571
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,820
the Netherlands, people lost
their crap over there was one

572
00:33:47,850 --> 00:33:52,530
one very famous singer. And she
said, when he said that, I've

573
00:33:52,530 --> 00:33:56,160
just remembered that the Nazis,
jackboots walking down the

574
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,100
hallway while I was hiding. I
mean, that's the kind of stuff

575
00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:03,720
that happened to me. And I was
really just, you know, been off

576
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:08,010
the cuff comment I learned,
obviously. And then to see then

577
00:34:08,010 --> 00:34:12,510
the, it's, I think it's the was
called the CEO. I forget the

578
00:34:12,510 --> 00:34:17,190
name that you know, like an ADL
of the Netherlands, by Robbie

579
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:20,130
something or other. I mean, he
started making statements in the

580
00:34:20,130 --> 00:34:22,920
newspaper and they're calling
from I was like, whoa, hold on.

581
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:28,110
I'll come over, let's sit. Let's
talk about I really, please. And

582
00:34:28,140 --> 00:34:33,600
the point was to jokes or
offhanded remarks, propagate the

583
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:38,730
lies the lies that the Jews run
the banks that Jews run the

584
00:34:38,730 --> 00:34:44,040
media etc. So jokes like that
propagate the lies even though

585
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,430
they're a joke I just don't
understand why they're why the

586
00:34:47,490 --> 00:34:53,160
past has given what are we not
spoken about?

587
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:54,809
That comic book guy?

588
00:34:56,700 --> 00:34:59,070
What we're gonna do is gonna
give you the backstory on that.

589
00:34:59,370 --> 00:35:02,100
Yeah. Anything you said we're
going to talk about on the show?

590
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:07,020
Well, I got to be careful
because if I say it wrong, then

591
00:35:07,020 --> 00:35:12,570
he'll get really upset. Who's
he? comic strip blogger. Okay,

592
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,480
his name is Jay something or
other I don't remember his real

593
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:15,840
name.

594
00:35:17,310 --> 00:35:19,770
But he's a fan of yours are
what? He latched

595
00:35:19,770 --> 00:35:24,570
on to the daily source code
couple of years ago, and he

596
00:35:24,570 --> 00:35:26,670
started in the comments, and he
would just write these

597
00:35:26,700 --> 00:35:30,660
outrageous things. You know, he
really, as we would say, in

598
00:35:30,660 --> 00:35:34,710
Holland, his heart was on his
tongue. But you know, and he's

599
00:35:34,740 --> 00:35:37,350
he's also coincidentally the guy
that started this whole fuck you

600
00:35:37,350 --> 00:35:40,530
Adam Curry business, because
that's literally how he talks,

601
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,560
you know, and, and, and it was
just really interesting to me.

602
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,070
And I googled him. And I found
out that, you know, he had

603
00:35:47,070 --> 00:35:55,260
worked at Nakia. And I guess he,
he had a blog, and he was

604
00:35:55,260 --> 00:35:58,380
basically posting on the blog,
you know, about shit that suck

605
00:35:58,380 --> 00:36:02,580
within the company. That's dumb,
paraphrasing, I'm sure as to

606
00:36:02,610 --> 00:36:06,780
what it exactly was. And so he
got fired. And some say he got

607
00:36:06,780 --> 00:36:11,700
kicked out of Finland. They get
kicked out of Finland, you don't

608
00:36:11,700 --> 00:36:16,320
want to cross nucky his path
man, they are Finland, and, and

609
00:36:16,410 --> 00:36:20,310
out of anger and spite. But
maybe also because he felt there

610
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:24,030
was more future in the platform.
He became a huge proponent of

611
00:36:24,030 --> 00:36:29,010
Windows Mobile. And he started
blogging and podcasting. He go

612
00:36:29,010 --> 00:36:31,950
around to these MVP events,
which I believe he's been banned

613
00:36:31,950 --> 00:36:35,220
from now. And he was he would
ask really straightforward

614
00:36:35,220 --> 00:36:37,680
questions actually,
journalistically. Great

615
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,670
questions. But his approach, of
course, was very brash. And you

616
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:44,400
know, he did be the equivalent
of going up to I saw a piece of

617
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:49,500
video done in the apple UK store
with a journalist went up to

618
00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:52,860
Phil Schiller and said, so, you
know, is this going to be a

619
00:36:52,860 --> 00:36:55,110
problem with anti competitive
laws in Europe where you

620
00:36:55,110 --> 00:36:57,840
basically have to buy something
to get something else you tying

621
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,840
the phone to the, to the
network, and then immediately

622
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,540
the PR people jump in and
Schiller backs off? And you

623
00:37:03,540 --> 00:37:06,240
know, that it's that kind of
question straight to the point,

624
00:37:06,570 --> 00:37:09,420
and good stuff. Exactly. Good
stuff. And it freaks him out.

625
00:37:09,420 --> 00:37:12,270
And I think he his appearance
and the way he speaks he has his

626
00:37:12,270 --> 00:37:17,190
Polish German accent and he's
just the vocabulary. Yeah. So I

627
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:21,090
got really interested in the
guy. And, and that, you know, I

628
00:37:21,090 --> 00:37:23,340
think Jeff Smith made a jingle
for him, you know, and then he

629
00:37:23,340 --> 00:37:25,740
started calling in and, and he
knows a lot of shit,

630
00:37:25,770 --> 00:37:28,770
particularly about the European
Union. And so, you know, he give

631
00:37:28,770 --> 00:37:30,540
reports on that. And what

632
00:37:30,540 --> 00:37:32,460
would like what what give us
some examples.

633
00:37:33,930 --> 00:37:35,160
An example like a pro.

634
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,720
Is he an EU basher?

635
00:37:36,750 --> 00:37:39,900
No, no, no, he really believes
in the EU, but he passed Yeah,

636
00:37:39,900 --> 00:37:41,130
many EU basher now he

637
00:37:41,130 --> 00:37:44,400
points out all of the all of the
things that are wrong and that

638
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,980
are messed up. And you know,
he's another guy that gets

639
00:37:46,980 --> 00:37:49,470
stopped, you know, going into
another country, and then he'll

640
00:37:49,470 --> 00:37:52,800
record it and you'll say, Why do
I have to show passport? Am I

641
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,060
not EU citizen? Which of course
is a great way not to get

642
00:37:57,060 --> 00:37:58,260
through passport control.

643
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,500
Yeah, that works. But he's

644
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,710
not he's a beautiful guy. And
then he one time he came, you

645
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:07,560
know, we set up a date after
years, we would meet at the UK

646
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,890
office and this video was on
YouTube and I think on his site,

647
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,850
comic strip blog calm. He
interviewed me about my mobile

648
00:38:14,850 --> 00:38:18,300
devices. And it was so funny
because then he he gave me a

649
00:38:18,300 --> 00:38:22,410
PowerPoint pitch about what he
wanted to do to work for pod

650
00:38:22,410 --> 00:38:25,770
show you under like a consultant
type role. And it was so funny.

651
00:38:25,770 --> 00:38:27,960
It was the only pitch I've ever
received in my life that

652
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,380
literally ended with a slide
that says PS Fuck you, Adam

653
00:38:31,380 --> 00:38:39,480
Curry. Oh, man, this is so
beautiful. Ah, well, I can kind

654
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:45,720
of transition from this into the
two central bankers came out on

655
00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:51,390
the same day. And essentially
said the same thing. The former

656
00:38:51,630 --> 00:38:54,420
senate chief of the central bank
of the Netherlands, the needle

657
00:38:54,420 --> 00:38:59,430
on some bank. Now delink said,
Oh, this Bitcoin. This is

658
00:38:59,430 --> 00:39:02,850
nothing more than tulipmania
except at the end of the day,

659
00:39:02,850 --> 00:39:03,750
you had a tulip.

660
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,090
And I need to say something
about that good line. Well, no.

661
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,910
Other people do this tulip
thing. You know, that's just

662
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:15,210
crazy. Well, it's interesting
that Beanie Babies is something

663
00:39:15,210 --> 00:39:16,230
we all remember.

664
00:39:16,260 --> 00:39:19,380
Well, I but I wanted I did some
research on the tulip thing and

665
00:39:19,380 --> 00:39:25,290
this it's a little different
than the way we remember it. And

666
00:39:25,290 --> 00:39:30,180
there's a book which serve under
Helm had some scan pages somehow

667
00:39:30,180 --> 00:39:33,510
he gave it to me. And in you
know, this comparison,

668
00:39:33,660 --> 00:39:37,860
essentially, whenever someone
whenever there's a bubble, they

669
00:39:37,860 --> 00:39:41,970
say, Oh, this like the Dutch
tulip craze. And I think some

670
00:39:41,970 --> 00:39:46,650
history is warranted about the
what that actually was. I mean,

671
00:39:46,650 --> 00:39:50,430
what do you the way you
understand that john? Is Is that

672
00:39:50,430 --> 00:39:53,340
it? The Dutch tulip craze was
just people went crazy about a

673
00:39:53,340 --> 00:39:55,950
non product and the bubble burst
and that was it. I mean, do you

674
00:39:55,950 --> 00:39:57,270
have any men who are very

675
00:39:57,270 --> 00:40:00,900
popular and they were being bred
to be certain way to certain

676
00:40:00,930 --> 00:40:03,690
tools became very valuable. And
then there was a shortage in the

677
00:40:03,690 --> 00:40:06,780
market and then people began
would happen when people began

678
00:40:06,780 --> 00:40:11,280
to speculate on the bulbs. And
once that happened that, you

679
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,300
know, it was it was doomed, but
it was, well, that was a, it was

680
00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:16,260
definitely a craze.

681
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:20,190
So that let me tell you what
what actually happened. This was

682
00:40:20,190 --> 00:40:24,690
not so much about the bubble as
it was about the trading that

683
00:40:24,690 --> 00:40:28,620
was going on. Now, this is the
1630s. There were hardly there

684
00:40:28,620 --> 00:40:31,920
was there was no, CNBC, there
were no newspaper, they had

685
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,740
pamphlets, which are kind of
like flyers, and people would

686
00:40:34,740 --> 00:40:37,770
print something up and hand it
out. But what happened this was

687
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,430
the they had commodities trade
in the Netherlands kind of

688
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:46,230
invented the stock market. And
this was a part of that. Because

689
00:40:46,260 --> 00:40:50,220
what happened with these, with
these tulip trades, is people

690
00:40:50,220 --> 00:40:53,280
were not taking possession of
the bulb or the flower, just the

691
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,940
contract. And that was something
that was new. And by the way, in

692
00:40:56,940 --> 00:40:59,460
order to understand the history
like this, you have to get the

693
00:40:59,460 --> 00:41:03,690
Dutch texts which I am able to
read. So it's kind of unique

694
00:41:03,690 --> 00:41:06,750
that I can explain this to you
because I read through the Dutch

695
00:41:06,750 --> 00:41:11,220
copy of what really went down.
So this was something that was

696
00:41:11,220 --> 00:41:15,060
new, is people would buy a tulip
and they would only get a piece

697
00:41:15,060 --> 00:41:17,640
of paper that was you know, the
bowl this?

698
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,110
Yes, by the way, I want to
interrupt. Anytime you have some

699
00:41:22,110 --> 00:41:25,800
new technology, that tape or
some new mechanism, financial

700
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,200
mechanism that makes it look as
though you can make a lot of

701
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:33,330
money. People jump on it because
they see you Bitcoin is

702
00:41:33,390 --> 00:41:36,420
probably, I think is a good
example not to bring this up.

703
00:41:36,450 --> 00:41:37,620
This part of it is

704
00:41:37,620 --> 00:41:41,730
yes, this is exactly my point.
So people were in it to make

705
00:41:41,730 --> 00:41:45,720
money on the transaction instead
of making money on the commodity

706
00:41:46,260 --> 00:41:49,050
itself. This is this is where
there was a big difference. Now.

707
00:41:51,180 --> 00:41:53,790
There was a lot of trouble with
these flowers, they were hard to

708
00:41:53,790 --> 00:41:56,940
identify. There are a lot of
mistakes being made and a lot of

709
00:41:56,940 --> 00:42:03,450
fraud. But in 1936, one of these
pamphlets, again, very few

710
00:42:03,450 --> 00:42:06,360
newspapers, if any floated
rumors that the state was

711
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:11,190
considering taxing the tools was
an 1813 or 1630 1636. I'm sorry,

712
00:42:11,250 --> 00:42:12,990
what did I say? You said

713
00:42:12,990 --> 00:42:17,940
1936. But and by the way, if you
notice what you said was 1936,

714
00:42:17,940 --> 00:42:19,710
which is exactly Yeah, exactly.

715
00:42:19,710 --> 00:42:25,860
400 or 300 years later. Yeah.
Interesting. So 1636 one of

716
00:42:25,860 --> 00:42:29,130
these pamphlets floated rumors
the state was considering taxing

717
00:42:29,130 --> 00:42:32,280
this trade, because they weren't
really trading or buying

718
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,280
commodities. It was it was like
a kind of like a transaction

719
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:40,320
taxes. What they were looking at
to on February 3 1637, is when

720
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,580
the first bad auction took place
in Harlan. And there were

721
00:42:44,610 --> 00:42:50,040
essentially no buyers. On
February 24. In Amsterdam, there

722
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,320
was a big meeting, all the
traders got together and they

723
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,890
said okay, you know what, we've
got to unwind all this. Every

724
00:42:55,890 --> 00:43:00,780
trade after November 30 of
snideness. 1636 can be unwound

725
00:43:00,780 --> 00:43:05,070
for a 10% fee on the actual
transaction. Of course, you

726
00:43:05,070 --> 00:43:07,050
know, the big guys didn't really
get hurt, though some of the

727
00:43:07,050 --> 00:43:09,030
little guys got screwed. And so
it's kind of kind of like a

728
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:13,170
bailout. One of the early
bailouts. But why did this

729
00:43:13,170 --> 00:43:18,990
happen? And all the tech say
that there is a very clear

730
00:43:19,830 --> 00:43:23,190
parallel of the plague. The
plague, of course, in the 1600s

731
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:29,490
was like, no, it happened. But
the peak of the of the tulip

732
00:43:29,490 --> 00:43:34,650
mania trade coincided with the
peak of the Black Plague where

733
00:43:34,650 --> 00:43:41,160
30% of cities were literally
dying. And in 1636, before this,

734
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:47,580
this bad auction 12 or 14 of the
big tulip traders died of the

735
00:43:47,580 --> 00:43:51,420
plague and their kids or their
family or other people within

736
00:43:51,420 --> 00:43:56,220
their organization took over the
trade. So it's not that crazy to

737
00:43:56,220 --> 00:44:01,290
think that when you have like
the backup guy running the trade

738
00:44:01,290 --> 00:44:04,590
or someone who hasn't doesn't
know anything about this trading

739
00:44:04,590 --> 00:44:08,880
at all, come into this and
there's plague and people are

740
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,570
dying and people you know, it's
it's a weird time. That that is

741
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,930
was really the impetus for this
to fall apart not so much that

742
00:44:15,930 --> 00:44:18,150
all of a sudden people realize
that tulip wasn't worth

743
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:21,570
anything, which to this day is
not true. A tulip is definitely

744
00:44:21,570 --> 00:44:24,720
worth money. It just wasn't
worth the kind of money they

745
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:29,340
were paying for it at the time.
So the the crash really

746
00:44:29,340 --> 00:44:33,900
coincided with the new people
coming in, after the plague

747
00:44:33,930 --> 00:44:38,040
wiped out the original traders
and that's the part that is it's

748
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,340
iffy, at best to say that, you
know, there's a bubble, it

749
00:44:41,340 --> 00:44:45,030
always pops it always goes this
way. It's it's overvalued. And

750
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:47,100
it's not the only comparison.
That's fair, I think you're

751
00:44:47,100 --> 00:44:51,180
right, is that it's a trade
based upon the value of the

752
00:44:51,180 --> 00:44:54,630
trade and what you can make and
selling the ownership paper on

753
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:55,440
instead of the actual

754
00:44:55,530 --> 00:44:58,290
speculation always causes these
issues. Exactly.

755
00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:03,449
They're going to hate me for
saying this but I don't care. I

756
00:45:03,449 --> 00:45:07,349
remember being invited and
accepting the invite on Ray

757
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:13,049
lanes g five jet to fly from San
Francisco to I think it was

758
00:45:13,079 --> 00:45:19,259
Burbank. It was Burbank or no,
it was the Long Beach and they

759
00:45:19,259 --> 00:45:21,989
had the Tesla's It was like a
huge elitist thing. It was like

760
00:45:21,989 --> 00:45:25,589
lined up there's the E Bay guys
playing like everyone's plane

761
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:29,639
was there. And they had
seriously and they had Tesla's

762
00:45:29,639 --> 00:45:32,009
and you would wait in line that
drinks and everything and then

763
00:45:32,009 --> 00:45:33,719
you'd get in almost like a

764
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:36,030
few drinks first. Yeah, like a
carnival ride.

765
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:38,880
And you get in line and you get
in line and then you step off a

766
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,160
little podium into the car and
then you wait for the next one

767
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,040
to come along. And it was your
turn. And then you'd ride around

768
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,970
the tarmac. They had a you know,
like kotaki or they had a whole

769
00:45:47,970 --> 00:45:50,730
party on the track. Yeah, and
this was this was the investors

770
00:45:50,730 --> 00:45:54,450
scam. And you know, this also
got them the money, this huge

771
00:45:54,450 --> 00:45:58,140
elitist thing. Did you go I told
you of course I went

772
00:45:58,289 --> 00:46:01,859
you crazy you drove the Tesla
were you no good No, I

773
00:46:01,860 --> 00:46:05,820
did not. I did not get in one.
Why? I didn't want I don't stand

774
00:46:05,820 --> 00:46:09,720
in line for anything. I did
however fly autonomy.

775
00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:12,930
There's a bunch of guys I fly
with their private jets standing

776
00:46:12,930 --> 00:46:13,500
in line

777
00:46:13,740 --> 00:46:16,380
to ride a Tesla and then they
were putting up on the board who

778
00:46:16,380 --> 00:46:17,070
had bought one

779
00:46:19,110 --> 00:46:20,010
led board

780
00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:22,619
that is that's like something is
fine at this like some of you

781
00:46:22,619 --> 00:46:25,619
find down in Alabama. Yeah,
yeah, we

782
00:46:25,620 --> 00:46:28,740
got a pig for sale. We got a we
got a pig right here. Big fat,

783
00:46:28,740 --> 00:46:31,650
big fat pig. Now anybody wants
to buy this pig? It's like a

784
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:32,310
name on the

785
00:46:32,310 --> 00:46:36,120
list like the niqabs Auto
auction. They do that too. We

786
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:42,150
gotta buy over here we got to
buy so who was there that bought

787
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:43,980
one? No, everyone was there
visa?

788
00:46:44,370 --> 00:46:46,620
He bought one. Yeah, but you
couldn't I don't think you can

789
00:46:46,620 --> 00:46:49,770
fit in one of these things. It's
an it's a it's a it's I know, I

790
00:46:49,770 --> 00:46:50,580
don't fit in the Lotus,

791
00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:53,160
Lotus body. This dinky. Now, but

792
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,890
I wasn't interested. I want the
reason I wanted

793
00:46:56,100 --> 00:46:58,500
to write free right and usually
is more interested in the G phi.

794
00:46:58,530 --> 00:47:02,010
I sat up front in the G five and
it was so hilarious. And it was

795
00:47:02,010 --> 00:47:04,710
with bloom and Marta. So it was
like four people in the G five

796
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:08,730
which holds 20 people and how
disgusting it is. By like Ray

797
00:47:08,730 --> 00:47:11,880
lane by the way. He's a good
guy. Yeah, like I'll ride in

798
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,670
your jet. So I flew, I flew
jumpseat in the cockpit. This is

799
00:47:14,670 --> 00:47:20,190
brand new. And this pilots are
all cocky like a and Ray lanes

800
00:47:20,190 --> 00:47:23,010
in the back. And I didn't see
this. But now they're drinking

801
00:47:23,010 --> 00:47:25,950
scotch and stuff. And he's like,
I'm like, I don't need to wear

802
00:47:25,950 --> 00:47:30,390
my seatbelt on my own plane. And
they land. And for some reason.

803
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:35,520
The brakes were on lock when
they landed. So the rear wheels

804
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,720
hit the tarmac and boom, the
nose wheel slams down.

805
00:47:39,930 --> 00:47:43,110
Apparently Ray Lang went flying
through the entire cabin with a

806
00:47:43,110 --> 00:47:43,800
Scott doll.

807
00:47:45,420 --> 00:47:46,110
Yeah.

808
00:47:47,730 --> 00:47:50,280
Those guys are like it was the
whole thing was embarrassing. Is

809
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,680
it? Yeah, they're like showing
off. Yeah, I got my license

810
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:53,430
like, hey, were

811
00:47:53,460 --> 00:47:57,000
you propeller Boy, you had a
copter boy, watch us boom.

812
00:47:57,390 --> 00:48:01,380
almost broke the nose. The nose
gear off. was a funny little

813
00:48:01,380 --> 00:48:01,710
bit.

814
00:48:05,730 --> 00:48:06,570
Let me see what I have.

815
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,060
Right now. We're gonna stop.
You're gonna tell us about

816
00:48:09,060 --> 00:48:14,190
podcasting. We'll get a request
from one of our producers a part

817
00:48:14,190 --> 00:48:20,160
of podcasting that is poorly
told. Because by the history

818
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:25,560
books started in 2004. But it
actually started in 2000. And I

819
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,530
went to New York, I had to go
beat somebody up over some money

820
00:48:28,530 --> 00:48:34,020
I was owed. And which is a true
story, nother story for another

821
00:48:34,020 --> 00:48:37,260
time. And Dave Winer was in New
York at the time, I think he was

822
00:48:37,260 --> 00:48:41,070
just in as for some conference,
and I knew Dave Winer from radio

823
00:48:41,070 --> 00:48:44,190
user land and the blogging
stuff, and RSS. And I had

824
00:48:44,190 --> 00:48:47,610
written this, this blog posts,
you can still find an

825
00:48:47,610 --> 00:48:52,950
archive.org, which is the the
final yard I think it is. So

826
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:55,680
instead of the last yard just
said the last mile, the last

827
00:48:55,680 --> 00:49:00,210
yard and I had this concept in
my head, which was, since at the

828
00:49:00,210 --> 00:49:04,110
time, we only had modems that
were there were cable modems

829
00:49:04,110 --> 00:49:06,840
that they were always on. It
wasn't broadband. It was no it

830
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,870
was it was more broadband than
dial up. But it really wasn't

831
00:49:09,870 --> 00:49:12,780
all that great. The cable
infrastructure really sucked.

832
00:49:13,050 --> 00:49:16,260
But you know, you didn't have to
dial in. So it was always on.

833
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,230
And I had this idea that in
order to create a good

834
00:49:19,230 --> 00:49:22,440
multimedia experience, which we
didn't have, it wasn't clicking

835
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,500
play, it was click, wait for 10
minutes, and then all of a

836
00:49:25,500 --> 00:49:28,350
sudden they would play if it was
video might take a little less

837
00:49:28,350 --> 00:49:31,200
long with an mp3 file hard for
people to imagine. But that's

838
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:35,460
the world we were in. I said why
not? If since the computer is

839
00:49:35,610 --> 00:49:38,520
always on, it's always connected
to the internet, why not create

840
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:42,420
a little thing, a little program
that runs in the background. And

841
00:49:42,450 --> 00:49:45,630
when there's when there's a new
a new video or piece of content

842
00:49:45,630 --> 00:49:49,680
is available, it downloads it
without telling the user but

843
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,890
when it has it on his hard
drive, it pops up a message and

844
00:49:52,890 --> 00:49:56,250
says hey, I've got something new
for you here. And then you click

845
00:49:56,250 --> 00:50:00,270
on it. It plays immediately
which would give you a great A

846
00:50:00,270 --> 00:50:02,490
great experience like oh, I
clicked on something and said it

847
00:50:02,490 --> 00:50:04,980
was new and it played
immediately which was would have

848
00:50:04,980 --> 00:50:09,570
been sorcery and magic at the
time. And I presented this to

849
00:50:09,570 --> 00:50:14,220
Weiner who scoffed at me. And
and didn't kick me out because

850
00:50:14,220 --> 00:50:16,950
like feeling whatever, you know,
I think he thought it was, you

851
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:21,900
know, MTV boy Shut up. And but
then I took his software, his

852
00:50:21,900 --> 00:50:26,730
radio user land progress, pro
scripting application, and I

853
00:50:26,730 --> 00:50:30,510
created what I was talking
about. And he looked at it, he

854
00:50:30,510 --> 00:50:32,370
said, I now understand what
you're saying, you have to

855
00:50:32,370 --> 00:50:35,040
promise me one thing that was
that the you never ever touch my

856
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:39,360
software again. Okay, I promised
that. And that's when he came up

857
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:43,500
with the way to implement this,
which was the enclosure tag in

858
00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:49,410
the RSS feed format. And we were
actually using this for three

859
00:50:49,410 --> 00:50:55,260
years before podcasting came to
be. But it wasn't until the iPod

860
00:50:55,290 --> 00:50:58,140
happened that from in my head,
it clicked like, wait a minute,

861
00:50:58,140 --> 00:51:02,160
we can use this in conjunction
with the iPod. Because I looked

862
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,070
at the iPod and didn't say
jukeboxes. Everyone was saying I

863
00:51:05,070 --> 00:51:09,660
said radio receiver, all we need
to do is have a way for people

864
00:51:09,660 --> 00:51:12,390
to subscribe. And we had that
the RSS mechanism was

865
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:15,420
subscribed. And I built a little
script and popped it over to the

866
00:51:15,780 --> 00:51:18,990
to the iPod, and that was the
birth of podcasting.

867
00:51:20,460 --> 00:51:21,660
But I'm

868
00:51:24,330 --> 00:51:27,570
going to show my school by
donation to no agenda. Imagine

869
00:51:27,570 --> 00:51:30,270
all the people who could do
that. Oh, yeah, that'd be fun.

870
00:51:38,070 --> 00:51:41,640
Wow, that's leet. The good
stories, by the way?

871
00:51:41,789 --> 00:51:44,729
Well, of course, I've had a rich
life. What do you expect

872
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:46,710
a lot of show business stories
more than I

873
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:51,900
have? That's for sure. So, in so
many still to tell john so many,

874
00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:52,560
I have not told

875
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,140
you that. But we have another
hour to go with more.

876
00:51:55,350 --> 00:51:57,150
This is true. This is true. This
is true.

877
00:51:57,419 --> 00:52:02,129
In the meantime, of course, we
are on leet. Show 1337 which is

878
00:52:02,129 --> 00:52:06,779
lead l e tn hacksaw. And we
promised everyone is special

879
00:52:06,779 --> 00:52:09,089
executive producer for the elite
show. And we're going to have to

880
00:52:09,089 --> 00:52:15,479
put together a list on 1338, a
special elite, elite Elite

881
00:52:15,479 --> 00:52:19,349
listeners. Yes, yes, elites that
produced this show today

882
00:52:19,380 --> 00:52:25,890
that well, we also have a like
more options like 130 3.7 is is

883
00:52:25,890 --> 00:52:27,990
that the idea? Or is it just is
it gotta

884
00:52:29,940 --> 00:52:30,900
be three

885
00:52:30,990 --> 00:52:34,500
options? three options as usual.
Good. I mean, I want I want to

886
00:52:34,500 --> 00:52:38,550
lead key chain I want I want to
have a challenge coin for this

887
00:52:38,550 --> 00:52:39,300
episode.

888
00:52:39,330 --> 00:52:42,780
It will tell you I'm sure you
want a lot. But I it'll be it'll

889
00:52:42,780 --> 00:52:45,090
be in the newsletter I did
yesterday.

890
00:52:45,150 --> 00:52:48,540
Nice. Well done. Well done.
JOHN.

891
00:52:49,260 --> 00:52:51,660
already done this in the can.

892
00:52:52,020 --> 00:52:56,250
Again, thanks to syrup and
waffles or syrup and waffles for

893
00:52:56,250 --> 00:53:01,170
producing this episode. And it's
quite a lot of work you put into

894
00:53:01,170 --> 00:53:03,240
it. So that's highly
appreciated. This is why we have

895
00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:06,300
the best producers in the
universe. And let's get right

896
00:53:06,300 --> 00:53:09,930
into it. Second part of my
stories here on no agenda, the

897
00:53:09,930 --> 00:53:10,980
elite edition.

898
00:53:12,810 --> 00:53:13,320
Yeah.

899
00:53:15,780 --> 00:53:16,800
TV Oh,

900
00:53:18,150 --> 00:53:18,810
tell me about?

901
00:53:23,460 --> 00:53:29,670
Yes, off the grid for a moment
here with no agenda show. off

902
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:32,670
the grid? Well, we break up with
with big tech, and we're happy

903
00:53:32,670 --> 00:53:36,570
about it. Very happy. I do have
a couple stories too, that were

904
00:53:36,570 --> 00:53:41,340
sent in a couple things to
mention. And your review. Do you

905
00:53:41,340 --> 00:53:46,050
recall on the previous show, we
were talking about the device

906
00:53:46,050 --> 00:53:52,080
the manager, the manager of
devices at Google saying yeah,

907
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,810
you should probably disclose to
guests that come over. If you're

908
00:53:54,810 --> 00:53:58,590
using a Google speaker or Amazon
Alexa, you should probably

909
00:53:58,590 --> 00:54:01,260
disclose to them that these
systems are listening all the

910
00:54:01,260 --> 00:54:01,650
time.

911
00:54:01,860 --> 00:54:05,580
Yeah, cuz they didn't sign the
document. The EULA.

912
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:11,700
Right? And do you remember what?
We made a recommendation of how

913
00:54:11,700 --> 00:54:15,030
you could shame people into not
having these devices?

914
00:54:15,150 --> 00:54:17,520
Yeah, it was extreme, but it was
a good idea.

915
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:18,870
So Brad, I

916
00:54:18,900 --> 00:54:20,220
want to repeat it. I

917
00:54:20,430 --> 00:54:25,980
producer producer Brad reports.
Adam? The bud porn search

918
00:54:25,980 --> 00:54:30,780
worked. That was my suggestion.
Say Hey, Google, search for buck

919
00:54:30,780 --> 00:54:35,700
porn. And Brad writes in Adam no
frickin joke, man. You just made

920
00:54:35,700 --> 00:54:39,750
my phone look up but porn. I was
playing through a Bluetooth

921
00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:43,350
speaker and you Hey, googled my
phone into looking it up. I

922
00:54:43,350 --> 00:54:46,770
couldn't believe it works. So
after 15 minutes of browsing,

923
00:54:46,770 --> 00:54:53,850
but porn, email you. So it does
work. Excellent. Thank you very

924
00:54:53,850 --> 00:54:58,590
much, Brad for that report. We
almost didn't have a show

925
00:54:59,790 --> 00:55:05,310
but happened there? I get
protested by the kids now I'm no

926
00:55:05,310 --> 00:55:06,150
No, no, no, I

927
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:11,760
had a full on overnight point of
no return test drive in a

928
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:12,810
battery car.

929
00:55:14,969 --> 00:55:15,749
I crapped out.

930
00:55:16,319 --> 00:55:21,629
No, no, no, I didn't crap out.
But the former New York banker,

931
00:55:21,779 --> 00:55:24,419
he needed to go to Galveston and
I've always said, Hey, you know,

932
00:55:24,449 --> 00:55:27,119
anytime you need my truck, can
you take the truck? Leave the

933
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:31,499
Tesla with me? Yeah, so we, he
calls me up says I gotta take my

934
00:55:31,499 --> 00:55:34,469
kid to Galveston. And then the
Tesla can't make it said, Well,

935
00:55:34,889 --> 00:55:38,099
this week and I happen to be
going to Bryan College Station,

936
00:55:38,579 --> 00:55:41,789
which is 110 miles from Austin.
Oh, yeah, no

937
00:55:41,790 --> 00:55:44,790
problem. Go down round trip on
the news.

938
00:55:44,820 --> 00:55:51,150
No, no, sir. No, no, no, no, no,
the Tesla will do really real

939
00:55:51,150 --> 00:55:53,490
road performance about 180
miles.

940
00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:55,980
No, no, that's not true.

941
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,770
Okay, I just did this.

942
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,580
I'm just telling you I seen the
specs heard

943
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,080
on spec, she

944
00:56:07,650 --> 00:56:08,880
was to believe you.

945
00:56:09,330 --> 00:56:12,870
I got Ilan, I got it. I just
gotta do you mind if I just run

946
00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:16,260
through my experience? So we can
just have a final a final final

947
00:56:16,260 --> 00:56:18,120
on the battery car known as the
Tesla.

948
00:56:19,110 --> 00:56:20,010
Go. Okay.

949
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,820
So he's all worried He's like,
Oh, you won't make it. So now

950
00:56:23,820 --> 00:56:25,560
I'm staying overnight. Don't
worry about a find a

951
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:30,120
place. Second. He owns the car.
Yes. And he says you won't make

952
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:35,490
it when it's a known fact they
do. 350 miles 350

953
00:56:35,490 --> 00:56:39,660
miles? Which Tesla is that? A
seven by tie all of them?

954
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,010
I don't know which one he has
that s 90. I don't know which

955
00:56:44,010 --> 00:56:45,090
model? I think.

956
00:56:45,900 --> 00:56:47,040
I think that's the hot rod.

957
00:56:47,070 --> 00:56:49,890
It's the hot rod. Oh, it's a hot
rod. We already discussed this.

958
00:56:51,720 --> 00:56:54,780
So I driven this before, but
never done an overnight and he

959
00:56:54,780 --> 00:56:57,630
was like, Well, you know, you
get you got to charge it. And it

960
00:56:57,630 --> 00:57:00,810
takes you know, eight hours like
Dude, don't tell me anything.

961
00:57:00,990 --> 00:57:03,540
This would be great for the
show, or we won't have a show.

962
00:57:03,570 --> 00:57:06,960
So let me try it out. He says
okay, that's funny. Do that.

963
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:11,520
Okay, great. So I get in the
car, and I driven it before. I'm

964
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,910
sitting now and he drives off in
the truck. I'm like, I forgot

965
00:57:14,910 --> 00:57:19,080
how to start this thing. That's
how stupid it was, like, Oh, you

966
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,930
don't have to start it. You just
got to put it into drive. I can

967
00:57:21,930 --> 00:57:24,330
I was looking for a button. You
know, like, my truck has a

968
00:57:24,330 --> 00:57:27,450
button, you press the button,
the car starts. So that's how

969
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,890
disoriented I was. But anyway, I
remember how it works. I start

970
00:57:31,890 --> 00:57:36,180
driving and he left me with
about it said 200 miles on the

971
00:57:37,290 --> 00:57:41,640
on the the range, the range
meter. So I started driving. Now

972
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:47,910
this is a this is multiple
roads. It's 290 7121. So

973
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:51,240
there's, you know, the roads
aren't really great highways all

974
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:55,320
the way. And some surface issues
which may you drive in a Tesla

975
00:57:55,320 --> 00:58:00,180
on a on a poorly surface road.
It's It's noisy. It's very

976
00:58:00,180 --> 00:58:04,230
noisy. And I'd also feel like
yeah, I think the tires are

977
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:05,760
something that's low profile
tires.

978
00:58:06,510 --> 00:58:08,010
A low profile tire, very

979
00:58:08,010 --> 00:58:12,150
warm, very, very noisy. And I'd
forgotten that you actually have

980
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:14,610
to keep your hand on the
steering wheel when you do the

981
00:58:14,610 --> 00:58:19,140
auto steer. And it says
afterwards Oh, put your hands on

982
00:58:19,140 --> 00:58:21,990
the wheel like Oh, okay. And I
kept forgetting this because

983
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:25,800
it's just plugging along 65
miles an hour. It's deer in

984
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,240
itself. My God. I love this.

985
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,190
He gets some clip on hands.

986
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,900
Well, I'll tell you a couple of
things. You don't want that

987
00:58:33,900 --> 00:58:36,960
because these roads You know,
sometimes there's a little

988
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:41,160
construction it splits off at
least twice I had to really grab

989
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,920
the wheel and disengage because
it would have taken me off into

990
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:51,330
the into the side of the of the
drink. Yes, it's not it's not

991
00:58:51,330 --> 00:58:54,210
that great. If you really don't
you really don't want to take

992
00:58:54,210 --> 00:58:57,030
but I did keep my hands off
three times and then it goes

993
00:58:57,180 --> 00:59:01,110
bing bing bing bing autosteer no
longer available for this trip

994
00:59:01,110 --> 00:59:04,860
you stupid slave he could put in
jail and you get put into auto

995
00:59:04,860 --> 00:59:08,100
steering jail pants to pull over
you got to put it in park and

996
00:59:08,100 --> 00:59:10,860
then you know then you can use
the auto steer again. But I'm

997
00:59:10,860 --> 00:59:14,910
telling you, john, no one should
no one should rely on this auto

998
00:59:14,910 --> 00:59:19,140
steer. Unless you're on a you
know proper Highway near with at

999
00:59:19,140 --> 00:59:22,920
least three lanes. You really
don't want to do this. I'm

1000
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,830
telling you three, two times
that a really I would have gone

1001
00:59:25,830 --> 00:59:29,220
off three Dukes of Hazzard
style. Anyway, so I get there.

1002
00:59:29,430 --> 00:59:33,810
Remember, I started out with 100
and a little under 200. I get

1003
00:59:33,810 --> 00:59:41,520
there I've got four ny has 35
miles left. It's 110 mile trip.

1004
00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:45,720
So already the battery things
like your phone. You know it

1005
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,480
tells you got a couple hours but
then when you get right down to

1006
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:49,260
it, you really don't

1007
00:59:49,290 --> 00:59:50,610
get 15 minutes.

1008
00:59:50,670 --> 00:59:56,460
Yeah. And I had to find a
charger and just a hotel they

1009
00:59:56,460 --> 01:00:00,660
already met well, hon, but you'd
already mapped it out. So this

1010
01:00:00,660 --> 01:00:01,590
was not a problem

1011
01:00:01,620 --> 01:00:05,310
no I had downloaded you gotta
get a million apps you got to

1012
01:00:05,310 --> 01:00:10,050
get charged station you got to
get Evie go You have to

1013
01:00:10,050 --> 01:00:13,680
understand what the different
charging options are level one

1014
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,050
level two and then the big
conquer which is the

1015
01:00:16,050 --> 01:00:20,280
supercharger which pretty much
only existed Tesla stores I

1016
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:20,700
think

1017
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:22,470
I'm out here in California

1018
01:00:22,530 --> 01:00:27,510
yeah i'm sure in California but
not in Texas. Like Now luckily

1019
01:00:27,510 --> 01:00:31,620
This is Aggie land. This is a in
Texas a&m, they got a big campus

1020
01:00:31,620 --> 01:00:34,230
and sure enough, there's a whole
bunch of chargers but they're

1021
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:38,580
all three miles away. Because
it's it's a it's called a

1022
01:00:38,580 --> 01:00:42,510
station everything's three miles
away. So I'm driving around and

1023
01:00:42,510 --> 01:00:46,410
chatting I ever been on campus
in the weekend. And all the

1024
01:00:46,410 --> 01:00:48,780
gates are up and down. That
thing's like a penitentiary.

1025
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:53,310
Texas a&m is a is a fucking
jail. Everything is a gate this

1026
01:00:53,340 --> 01:00:56,430
cameras looking at your license
plate scanning you before you

1027
01:00:56,430 --> 01:01:01,080
can go in I finally find the
garage after trying to pull into

1028
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,930
one that that had a charging
station but was only for

1029
01:01:03,930 --> 01:01:07,680
students. And now I'm down to
like 15 miles you know, it's

1030
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:11,520
it's a white knuckle I'm getting
low battery warnings. It's we're

1031
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:11,850
going to

1032
01:01:11,850 --> 01:01:15,570
shut to grade. The worst part of
I just did all these electric

1033
01:01:15,570 --> 01:01:19,410
cars. Yeah, the white knuckle
thing is the worst. Yeah, well,

1034
01:01:19,410 --> 01:01:22,170
I'm like, No, you can't look at
a can of gas.

1035
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:27,780
Hmm. So and it's given me these
warnings and via which flash on

1036
01:01:27,780 --> 01:01:29,970
and off, they go away before you
can really read them properly.

1037
01:01:29,970 --> 01:01:32,640
So we're gonna shut down stuff
like what what are you going to

1038
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:36,420
shut down and shut down the
heated seats shuts down the air

1039
01:01:36,420 --> 01:01:39,270
conditioning is getting a
little. Okay, finally, I'm in

1040
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:42,600
the garage. There it is the
charger. And now I really start

1041
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,420
to realize what all of this
entails because you have to have

1042
01:01:45,420 --> 01:01:49,470
you have to be a member of the
charger network. So it's hold

1043
01:01:49,470 --> 01:01:51,720
your card, I don't have a card,
I just want to charge I need

1044
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:54,930
some power. And this is a level
two. So it's usually no more

1045
01:01:54,930 --> 01:01:59,970
than 220 volts. And you jam that
and it'll take, I think it gives

1046
01:01:59,970 --> 01:02:03,330
you 80 miles per hour that you
sit there charging.

1047
01:02:03,930 --> 01:02:08,610
So let me get this straight.
Instead of it accepting a normal

1048
01:02:08,610 --> 01:02:13,350
credit card, or American
Express. Yep. It requires you to

1049
01:02:13,350 --> 01:02:16,440
actually be a member? Yes. Oh,
wait, let me guess why? Because

1050
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:17,670
it serves alcohol.

1051
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:22,650
I think it would be for tracking
purposes, you really don't feel

1052
01:02:22,650 --> 01:02:29,520
very free in this ecosystem. So
now Luckily, well, you can

1053
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,400
download their app. And we know
what that means they get all

1054
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,310
your information. And then you
can sign up with your credit

1055
01:02:35,310 --> 01:02:37,920
card with your name. So now they
have everything on me. I can't

1056
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:41,850
just anonymously tap up or tank
up or top up. I have to tell

1057
01:02:41,850 --> 01:02:46,770
them who I am. Then you can use
your phone as the the near the

1058
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:50,100
NFC near field communication.
Click OK. And then you can

1059
01:02:50,100 --> 01:02:56,250
finally start and you put it in.
And you know, I walked away and

1060
01:02:56,250 --> 01:02:59,640
of course I had to drop a pin.
Tell Tina where it was she'd

1061
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:03,990
come and pick me up in her car
has her gas

1062
01:03:03,990 --> 01:03:05,070
car gas car,

1063
01:03:05,580 --> 01:03:10,410
or gas guzzler her horrible
climate change causing vehicle?

1064
01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:16,230
So, you know, I don't know like,
How do I know that? You know,

1065
01:03:16,230 --> 01:03:18,540
it's still charging. Yeah, what

1066
01:03:18,540 --> 01:03:20,970
happens if it craps out in the
middle of the charge and decides

1067
01:03:20,970 --> 01:03:24,600
to stop? Well, the answer said
Oh, well wait, wait, wait.

1068
01:03:25,110 --> 01:03:28,200
You're a member of the club and
you've got this app. And so if

1069
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,540
that happens, you're immediately
alerted.

1070
01:03:31,650 --> 01:03:32,700
Possibly.

1071
01:03:35,250 --> 01:03:38,910
So I got enough charge. We still
had to leave last night at 10

1072
01:03:38,910 --> 01:03:42,450
o'clock. See it's a good two
hour drive certainly at night.

1073
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:46,860
So it really only charged for
six hours. So when we left I had

1074
01:03:46,860 --> 01:03:52,440
a I had 155 miles to go. I got
in on like a penlight battery

1075
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,710
charge pretty much into the into
the garage that are placed in

1076
01:03:55,710 --> 01:04:00,150
downtown Austin. But you know,
this car and also after two

1077
01:04:00,150 --> 01:04:02,670
hours of driving you don't want
to drive this more than it can

1078
01:04:02,670 --> 01:04:06,000
do. You're tired. It's bad. It's
you know, it's it's a sports

1079
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:10,080
car. It's It's rough. You know,
it's not it's not a smooth ride.

1080
01:04:10,170 --> 01:04:14,100
This is this product. I can't
speak for all electric vehicles.

1081
01:04:14,100 --> 01:04:17,490
But this product that Tesla has
got to be one of the stupidest

1082
01:04:17,490 --> 01:04:22,200
things ever invented and people
who live nearby one people who

1083
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:25,410
buy one or either virtue
signaling have too much money

1084
01:04:25,410 --> 01:04:25,620
was

1085
01:04:25,620 --> 01:04:27,120
that Oh, there's that.

1086
01:04:27,150 --> 01:04:30,930
It's stupid. It's a stupid, it's
stupid friend. This

1087
01:04:30,930 --> 01:04:33,780
is not the same report you gave
us the last time.

1088
01:04:34,170 --> 01:04:37,080
I don't even know it's not your
right. Maybe it's because the

1089
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,900
car's been on the road for a
couple of years. I don't know

1090
01:04:39,900 --> 01:04:44,880
maybe they did an upgrade. Maybe
it was you know, the, you know,

1091
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:49,380
sophomore experience like no,
this it really was not a great

1092
01:04:49,890 --> 01:04:53,100
product in my mind. It's not
great. It's not

1093
01:04:53,190 --> 01:04:57,780
like somebody they find the old
clip of Adam going on and on

1094
01:04:57,780 --> 01:05:01,260
about the greatest thing ever
and how that Hands Free is

1095
01:05:01,260 --> 01:05:04,740
fantastic or whatever it was a
driver auto drive.

1096
01:05:04,770 --> 01:05:05,340
Yeah,

1097
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,800
none of these complaints, none
zip.

1098
01:05:10,469 --> 01:05:14,939
So we're going to go down route
35, which is you and we left

1099
01:05:14,939 --> 01:05:19,199
around for 334 o'clock. So
traffic is building up and I 35

1100
01:05:19,199 --> 01:05:23,369
can get pretty gnarly. Let me
tell you something. This this

1101
01:05:23,369 --> 01:05:27,869
car blew my mind with autopilot.
I did not drive to New Braunfels

1102
01:05:27,899 --> 01:05:32,669
the car drove itself. Oh, that's
nice come from stop and go

1103
01:05:32,669 --> 01:05:36,599
traffic, we were on the web
browser were connected phones,

1104
01:05:36,659 --> 01:05:39,749
and the car is just driving by
In fact, at a certain point, we

1105
01:05:39,749 --> 01:05:42,749
have to get off I 35. And I'm
thinking, I wonder if it'll

1106
01:05:42,749 --> 01:05:46,379
actually just do that too. And
that's how comfortable it felt

1107
01:05:46,649 --> 01:05:47,819
lane changes.

1108
01:05:47,970 --> 01:05:50,580
Click on I never drove one with
that feature. Oh

1109
01:05:50,580 --> 01:05:54,630
my god. Now I'm very familiar
with adaptive cruise control.

1110
01:05:54,750 --> 01:05:57,180
And with no with systems that
keep you in your lane that will

1111
01:05:57,180 --> 01:06:01,470
kind of pop you back into the
lane. But this was an absolute

1112
01:06:01,620 --> 01:06:06,750
mind boggling experience. Any
car I have in the future, I want

1113
01:06:06,750 --> 01:06:13,200
this technology in it. You know
what I did a reality show of our

1114
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:22,470
family called Addams Family. In
2002, I think 2000 to 2003. And

1115
01:06:22,470 --> 01:06:24,990
we produce it all ourselves. So
we had like one camera guy

1116
01:06:24,990 --> 01:06:28,320
living with this, I did a camera
and had one editor everything

1117
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:31,200
done on Final Cut Pro and it was
broadcast every Saturday night

1118
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:35,970
primetime. on SBS broadcasting
in the Netherlands, you know, I

1119
01:06:35,970 --> 01:06:37,980
have the rights to that, you
know, we could do first of all,

1120
01:06:37,980 --> 01:06:40,410
I want you to see it because I
think you get a kick out of it.

1121
01:06:40,410 --> 01:06:45,210
Because even though it was
completely unscripted, and

1122
01:06:45,210 --> 01:06:48,720
everything happened, everything
you saw was chronological order.

1123
01:06:49,470 --> 01:06:52,620
You'll see that just by editing,
we really made it into something

1124
01:06:52,620 --> 01:06:55,680
entertaining, and particularly
editing to hit records, you

1125
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:59,730
know, like soundtrack to your
life type hit records, which I

1126
01:06:59,730 --> 01:07:03,600
should put that up online.
Because I have the rights. You

1127
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:05,580
should but I want to make
everyone I want to make money

1128
01:07:05,580 --> 01:07:05,880
off of

1129
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:07,590
it. Good luck.

1130
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:17,070
So I'm shopping in this street,
I'm going looking for some

1131
01:07:17,070 --> 01:07:22,650
shoes. And so I found some fun,
you know, there's some, some

1132
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:26,130
shop I went into, and I did some
really cool looking pair of

1133
01:07:26,130 --> 01:07:29,610
shoes. And I feel great by
didn't quite fit right. But the

1134
01:07:29,610 --> 01:07:31,440
guy gave me a lecture. So well,
you know, this is one of the

1135
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:36,690
last two shoe companies left in
Holland that made these shoes.

1136
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,480
And he went on and on with a
lament about how many shoe

1137
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,580
companies are used to mean I
guess this goes back to the

1138
01:07:41,610 --> 01:07:44,940
wooden shoe days. He said that I
guess there were hundreds at one

1139
01:07:44,940 --> 01:07:48,120
point Sure. And they've all
consolidated down to like one or

1140
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:49,560
two and they're about to go
broke.

1141
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:53,280
Well, and that's also part of a
larger gripe in the Netherlands

1142
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,700
is that they you know, they've
been saying for maybe 15 or 20

1143
01:07:56,700 --> 01:08:00,450
years you know the government
has basically put Holland into

1144
01:08:00,450 --> 01:08:06,510
the into the into the storefront
window everything has been sold

1145
01:08:06,540 --> 01:08:09,450
they don't make anything new we
were complaining about America

1146
01:08:09,690 --> 01:08:12,720
they don't make anything there
was nothing being produced in

1147
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:18,270
Holland anymore nothing zero you
know except well banking and

1148
01:08:18,270 --> 01:08:22,980
that just got sold ABN AMRO, you
know, sold to what was that?

1149
01:08:23,010 --> 01:08:23,790
Barclays?

1150
01:08:24,719 --> 01:08:25,949
I don't know. I didn't follow
that.

1151
01:08:25,980 --> 01:08:28,680
Yeah, so that was the kind of
like the last thing the

1152
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,380
Netherlands has. And you know,
and there's just no more

1153
01:08:31,380 --> 01:08:36,660
industry there. And it used to
be a very industrious trading

1154
01:08:36,660 --> 01:08:39,210
based nation. No longer

1155
01:08:41,699 --> 01:08:42,719
I don't know what to tell you.

1156
01:08:43,380 --> 01:08:45,840
Nothing. So I don't really

1157
01:08:47,039 --> 01:08:50,639
I don't know why these countries
believe. I guess you know,

1158
01:08:50,639 --> 01:08:53,969
they're all locked into this
internationalism globalism and

1159
01:08:53,969 --> 01:08:59,129
they believe that they can get
all their products elsewhere

1160
01:08:59,129 --> 01:09:01,499
cheaper in such a way that they
never have to worry about ever

1161
01:09:01,499 --> 01:09:04,289
making them again, but Gee, if
some you know, Hitler cropped

1162
01:09:04,289 --> 01:09:09,719
up, you know that in this day
and age would be easy to do.

1163
01:09:09,719 --> 01:09:11,789
These countries would be a walk
over, they wouldn't have to have

1164
01:09:11,789 --> 01:09:13,109
a blitzkrieg. No,

1165
01:09:13,110 --> 01:09:16,290
oh no, it would be. It would be
very easy. The Netherlands Of

1166
01:09:16,290 --> 01:09:19,920
course in the Second World War
capitulated within like five

1167
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:23,400
days, they gave up their three
rifles and two bicycles.

1168
01:09:24,119 --> 01:09:26,729
And well more than two bicycles
according to the Dutch, that's

1169
01:09:26,729 --> 01:09:29,069
all they do. is they still bitch
about the fact that the bicycles

1170
01:09:29,069 --> 01:09:29,999
are never returned?

1171
01:09:30,329 --> 01:09:34,259
Yeah, they get off. Oh, God.
That is, that is a joke. We

1172
01:09:34,259 --> 01:09:35,579
don't make any more in Holland,

1173
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:36,300
john.

1174
01:09:37,919 --> 01:09:41,819
That is, that is no longer
valid, culturally speaking, not

1175
01:09:41,819 --> 01:09:42,839
politically correct.

1176
01:09:43,919 --> 01:09:45,749
Why when did that change?

1177
01:09:46,590 --> 01:09:49,410
Well, as we all got older, you
know, I've dealt with lots of

1178
01:09:49,410 --> 01:09:52,260
Germans my age and you know,
there's this great the new

1179
01:09:52,260 --> 01:09:54,990
Germans, I'll just call them you
know, the generation that has

1180
01:09:54,990 --> 01:09:58,050
now grown up that was you know,
that didn't grow the grow grew

1181
01:09:58,050 --> 01:10:00,810
up whose parents were born
during the second In World War

1182
01:10:01,830 --> 01:10:06,420
they're very reliable in general
that have to say in business

1183
01:10:06,420 --> 01:10:09,720
dealings. They're pretty
reliable. They're, they're

1184
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:13,320
friendly. They're, you know,
they do I like doing business

1185
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:16,080
with them and they and they,
culturally, they're, they're

1186
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:20,070
quite rich, you know? So we just
don't mess with them anymore

1187
01:10:20,070 --> 01:10:22,980
because now they're just our
good neighbors and we you know,

1188
01:10:22,980 --> 01:10:26,040
and by the way what an economy
You know, there's the

1189
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:29,040
Netherlands when Germany sneezes
the Netherlands you know catches

1190
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:29,610
the cold

1191
01:10:30,570 --> 01:10:33,870
so the bicycle issue is, is off
the table.

1192
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:38,940
Yeah, we we do not know what now
we do not say that anymore. Now.

1193
01:10:41,130 --> 01:10:44,940
Yesterday we went over to the
Netherlands and just to have

1194
01:10:44,940 --> 01:10:48,690
dinner basically with my sister
about the both of my sisters

1195
01:10:48,690 --> 01:10:53,280
their significant others and and
the kids. And so we just got

1196
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:57,120
back and I'm ready to get this
new year's thing over with

1197
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:57,600
already.

1198
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:00,210
So what's where'd you eat?

1199
01:11:01,140 --> 01:11:04,470
This place called a veranda?
Which actually, I have a better

1200
01:11:04,470 --> 01:11:07,140
dinner story, although this was
fun, but this was kind of a

1201
01:11:07,140 --> 01:11:08,970
place where the kids could run
around. Yeah, they're like,

1202
01:11:09,030 --> 01:11:13,650
between the ages seven and 10.
So, you know, it's like, we

1203
01:11:13,650 --> 01:11:16,800
didn't go to an overly posh
place. I did. However, with

1204
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,950
Christina and Patricia and
Christina's boyfriend do George

1205
01:11:19,950 --> 01:11:23,400
Jake. We went to Clifton house.
You familiar with Clifton?

1206
01:11:24,449 --> 01:11:25,319
Oh, yeah. Okay,

1207
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,390
so we went there. And we had
because we've patrician I've

1208
01:11:27,390 --> 01:11:30,870
stayed there before. And we went
to have dinner. And I was

1209
01:11:30,870 --> 01:11:33,450
already there. I was like, Okay,
I'm going to order a really

1210
01:11:33,450 --> 01:11:36,330
awesome bottle of wine. Because
I know Patricia will be, she'll

1211
01:11:36,330 --> 01:11:40,080
be into it. And, you know, I was
sure I could, you know, between

1212
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,360
the two of us, I could probably
do a bottle of wine. I was

1213
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:48,690
really gonna get a good one. And
I'm looking at the, the, what do

1214
01:11:48,690 --> 01:11:50,700
you call it? The wine menu, the
wine list.

1215
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:54,060
It's the wine list. And I think
if I'm not mistaken, that place

1216
01:11:54,060 --> 01:11:56,370
has one that looks like the
Manhattan phone director.

1217
01:11:56,370 --> 01:12:03,600
It's amazing. And I saw it. It
was 1953 Latour. I'm like, yeah,

1218
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,160
I'm gonna go for this baby

1219
01:12:05,190 --> 01:12:07,410
gets the price. Can I get the
price? Yeah.

1220
01:12:08,850 --> 01:12:12,750
Now you have I know the pound
price. So you know, your

1221
01:12:12,780 --> 01:12:13,800
currency, my guess is

1222
01:12:15,300 --> 01:12:19,320
in pounds, I guess it in pounds.
Now England and they would do in

1223
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:22,410
America in the United States, I
think we would probably that one

1224
01:12:22,410 --> 01:12:28,350
would be around 53 let Jordan
run probably about 70 $500. Now,

1225
01:12:28,350 --> 01:12:32,700
I would think that in England,
because they're closer to the

1226
01:12:32,700 --> 01:12:35,970
source and collect those wines.
broadly across those kinds of

1227
01:12:35,970 --> 01:12:40,950
restaurants. I'm thinking that
wine might be priced as low as

1228
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,450
3000 pounds. And actually,

1229
01:12:45,900 --> 01:12:49,230
there were a couple of tours the
there were two different ones

1230
01:12:49,500 --> 01:12:55,320
from 53. And one of them was
30 401 of them was 2400. So you

1231
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:58,200
were awfully awfully close. In
fact, right. I was right in the

1232
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:01,230
middle. Yeah, right in the
middle. But needless to say,

1233
01:13:01,230 --> 01:13:06,960
Patricia Lang, I don't feel like
wine tonight. And then what do

1234
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:09,240
you do? He's like, yeah, I'm not
gonna drink a whole bottle of

1235
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:13,050
wine. What do you say to him?
You know, Jordan, no

1236
01:13:13,050 --> 01:13:13,530
problem.

1237
01:13:13,530 --> 01:13:16,110
I know. But you know, tell us
give me a doggie bag and I'll

1238
01:13:16,110 --> 01:13:18,690
take it home with me. I don't
want to just drink it by myself.

1239
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:23,580
So I didn't do it. And I know it
sounds incredibly bourgeois or

1240
01:13:25,500 --> 01:13:27,630
what is the word I'm looking
for? Yeah, we're talking about

1241
01:13:27,630 --> 01:13:30,930
it. You know? 7000? decadent.
Oh, yes. Thank you. We're

1242
01:13:30,930 --> 01:13:34,440
talking about a $7,000 bottle of
wine, but it really was gonna be

1243
01:13:34,440 --> 01:13:39,150
my gift to myself. And didn't
have to die. Yeah.

1244
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:43,050
You could probably track that
wind down on the open market.

1245
01:13:43,050 --> 01:13:47,910
$4,000. Maybe Really? Wow. Yeah.

1246
01:13:47,940 --> 01:13:50,340
Well, let's do that. Fuck it.
When I come to San Francisco.

1247
01:13:50,340 --> 01:13:56,190
Let's track one down, Johnny
boy. They tell you that. Laurie

1248
01:13:56,190 --> 01:13:59,310
Turner contacted me that I tell
you about this story. Know,

1249
01:14:00,060 --> 01:14:04,980
Laurie Turner, better known as
Lt. In West Virginia. When I

1250
01:14:04,980 --> 01:14:08,100
went to school, we had a radio
station it was wi TB which

1251
01:14:08,100 --> 01:14:12,090
officially stood for we're in
the basement. But of course, we

1252
01:14:12,090 --> 01:14:15,900
all knew it really meant we're
into bong hits. And it was a low

1253
01:14:15,900 --> 01:14:18,720
power FM station. I was running
the station within like three

1254
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:23,520
months. But there was a DJ there
who had and she was a I think

1255
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:27,600
she was sophomore junior. I can
remember Lori Turner and she was

1256
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,300
kind of this you know, exactly
the kind of girl I kind of like

1257
01:14:30,300 --> 01:14:32,910
a little tomboy ish. And she had
to add, you know, this, of

1258
01:14:32,910 --> 01:14:35,280
course, was early 80s. So she
had a little bit of streak of

1259
01:14:35,430 --> 01:14:41,370
pink in her hair. And, and she
was a good jock. And I was, you

1260
01:14:41,370 --> 01:14:49,050
know, so we wound up having sex
once and the next day. She said,

1261
01:14:49,050 --> 01:14:52,770
You know what? I think I'm
lesbian.

1262
01:14:56,250 --> 01:14:58,770
story that very few guys would
relate to anyone but

1263
01:14:59,130 --> 01:15:03,480
my daughter loves This story by
the way, the only time I had sex

1264
01:15:03,480 --> 01:15:06,240
in college is the next day, you
know, and I'm really digging

1265
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:06,720
chicks.

1266
01:15:08,849 --> 01:15:11,699
So she and she dropped me a
note. The other said, Hey, man,

1267
01:15:11,699 --> 01:15:15,689
never me. It's a lie. She said
her name is different now. So

1268
01:15:16,199 --> 01:15:18,569
I'm not going to, but she's
still in radio, and she's

1269
01:15:18,749 --> 01:15:23,069
managing bands, and she's still
lesbian. was great, like, hey,

1270
01:15:23,069 --> 01:15:26,669
Lt. How you doing? My 18 year
old daughter really likes that

1271
01:15:26,669 --> 01:15:31,889
story. So what happens is, you
take your passport, you want to

1272
01:15:31,889 --> 01:15:34,739
fly to a different country. And
let's say you want to go to the

1273
01:15:34,739 --> 01:15:37,199
United Kingdom, not a part of
the Schengen agreement. So it's

1274
01:15:37,199 --> 01:15:39,839
not really Europe, you have to
show your passport when you

1275
01:15:39,839 --> 01:15:47,339
enter. The note will pop up and
say, Come with me. So you'll

1276
01:15:47,339 --> 01:15:52,079
have to, you'll have to go. And
there's there's some language

1277
01:15:52,079 --> 01:15:56,729
here about what it actually is
so seriously, delinquent tax

1278
01:15:56,729 --> 01:16:01,049
debt. So first of all has to be
$50,000 or more, for which a

1279
01:16:01,049 --> 01:16:03,929
notice of lien has been filed in
public records pursuant to

1280
01:16:03,929 --> 01:16:07,799
Section 6323. Or a notice of
levy has been filed, which is

1281
01:16:07,799 --> 01:16:09,659
basically a wage garnishment.

1282
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:13,350
Which I've had this happens,
let's say hi just happened to

1283
01:16:13,350 --> 01:16:17,070
me. As everybody. Yeah. So it
happens. And there's so they

1284
01:16:17,070 --> 01:16:19,710
pull the passport. So the State
Department has to go through a

1285
01:16:19,710 --> 01:16:22,830
rigmarole. And then the guy pays
because you've you know, your

1286
01:16:22,830 --> 01:16:24,450
pay, and then

1287
01:16:25,500 --> 01:16:28,170
then it takes forever. Remember,
I went through this.

1288
01:16:29,250 --> 01:16:30,690
You didn't lose your passport.

1289
01:16:30,690 --> 01:16:34,530
No, I would have had this been
in play. But I remember they say

1290
01:16:34,530 --> 01:16:35,280
we know it takes

1291
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:36,900
forever. We don't know that it
takes for I

1292
01:16:36,900 --> 01:16:41,220
do because I do. Because this
happened to me. They said well,

1293
01:16:41,220 --> 01:16:44,490
we can't win. My name started
showing up on the payroll of me.

1294
01:16:44,490 --> 01:16:50,160
VO or then Poncho in 2005. I was
living in the UK. And they say

1295
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:54,570
well, you Where have you been
for since 1999? So Well, I left

1296
01:16:54,570 --> 01:16:59,910
the country. Oh, yeah. We can't
find any filings. Do you didn't

1297
01:16:59,910 --> 01:17:03,540
file any you know, you don't
have to pay taxes twice. But we

1298
01:17:03,540 --> 01:17:06,690
can't find any filings from you.
So we're putting a lien and we

1299
01:17:06,690 --> 01:17:12,660
think that's about $2.4 million.
Mr. Curry. And they kick the IRS

1300
01:17:12,659 --> 01:17:14,369
came into our get your
attention.

1301
01:17:14,580 --> 01:17:17,040
They did the IRS came into our
building with their guns.

1302
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:17,820
Remember that?

1303
01:17:18,060 --> 01:17:19,140
I wasn't there.

1304
01:17:19,170 --> 01:17:22,680
Yeah, they came into their hands
on their guns. Noted looking for

1305
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:27,480
me table so we can't find us
ever hear of Google? Idiot curry

1306
01:17:27,510 --> 01:17:31,950
calm ever think of looking for
me online? And, you know, so

1307
01:17:31,950 --> 01:17:33,450
then I had to go through all
that

1308
01:17:33,450 --> 01:17:36,660
reminds me of the time. Does it
number of john devore. I said

1309
01:17:36,660 --> 01:17:40,200
are writers. Yeah, believe it or
not. And so I get a call from

1310
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:46,080
the IRS. Guys bs grousing at me
says okay, just john devore.

1311
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:50,640
Yeah, just Well, you're gonna
give us our $70,000 I mean, when

1312
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:55,110
you're gonna pay. And I said,
What are you talking about? And

1313
01:17:55,140 --> 01:18:02,640
me, me, you know, kind of says,
Yeah, your blah, blah, blah. And

1314
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:05,340
I said, I don't know anything
about what you're talking about

1315
01:18:05,340 --> 01:18:09,450
your john Dvorak. Right. So
yeah. He and I said, and then I

1316
01:18:09,450 --> 01:18:13,860
just, I guess I got lucky. I
said, Where am I supposed to be?

1317
01:18:14,250 --> 01:18:18,810
I said, you're in Kansas. Kansas
City said no. I'm in Port

1318
01:18:18,810 --> 01:18:21,600
Angeles. Washington was where it
was when I got the call. He

1319
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:25,320
says, uh, I said, What's your
social security? Now? I started

1320
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:27,660
grilling him. What's the social
security number you got there?

1321
01:18:27,660 --> 01:18:31,020
He said, Well, what's yours? And
I told him, he says, oh, oh,

1322
01:18:31,020 --> 01:18:32,010
that's interesting.

1323
01:18:33,540 --> 01:18:34,080
Really?

1324
01:18:34,530 --> 01:18:35,100
Yeah.

1325
01:18:36,060 --> 01:18:37,500
Do you happen to know what
another?

1326
01:18:39,239 --> 01:18:41,849
JOHN Dworkin, Kansas is mine
agenda. Why did you go to

1327
01:18:41,849 --> 01:18:44,939
Kansas? But she called the
Kansas guy. Yeah,

1328
01:18:44,970 --> 01:18:47,520
you know, that is not the only
john Dvorak in the world. I

1329
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:50,490
don't know why they got my name
or why they called me but then

1330
01:18:50,490 --> 01:18:52,980
that was all sorry. And they you
know, I have you said he's

1331
01:18:52,980 --> 01:18:53,700
sorry, just hung

1332
01:18:53,699 --> 01:18:57,629
over. My point is it took me
almost half a year to get my

1333
01:18:57,629 --> 01:19:01,589
wage garnishment removed for
them because that, you know, I

1334
01:19:01,589 --> 01:19:06,599
had to prove, of course, that I
had been overseas and I had to

1335
01:19:06,599 --> 01:19:09,839
go through quite a quite a bit
of crap. And meanwhile, you

1336
01:19:09,839 --> 01:19:10,289
know,

1337
01:19:11,250 --> 01:19:14,160
I came up with this number,
this, this multimillion dollar

1338
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:16,950
figure you weren't making that
kind of money, and maybe Oh,

1339
01:19:17,130 --> 01:19:19,860
no, but they look at 10 years.
They say we haven't you haven't

1340
01:19:19,860 --> 01:19:20,640
filed taxes

1341
01:19:21,060 --> 01:19:23,820
here in 10 years, plus all the
penalties and everything is

1342
01:19:23,820 --> 01:19:27,480
crank crank this exactly make
$100,000 a year and end up

1343
01:19:27,480 --> 01:19:30,390
having to pay a $2 million
dollar tax bill, and then

1344
01:19:30,390 --> 01:19:31,320
something pay for

1345
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:35,130
DJI and so then finally, they
said okay, we agree and then

1346
01:19:35,130 --> 01:19:37,740
still took six weeks for them to
actually because he had the

1347
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:40,440
media couldn't just say, okay,
we believe you know, they have

1348
01:19:40,440 --> 01:19:44,550
to wait for official notice. It
goes through the payroll system

1349
01:19:44,550 --> 01:19:51,180
and all that. No, it's it's
hosed. It's hosed. I'm not a fan

1350
01:19:51,180 --> 01:19:56,490
of Kennedy. on Fox because I
worked with her and she was tos

1351
01:19:56,490 --> 01:19:59,850
douchey at MTV. She broke my
ass. I should probably tell the

1352
01:19:59,850 --> 01:20:00,300
story Or

1353
01:20:01,829 --> 01:20:03,179
broke your ass. And

1354
01:20:03,180 --> 01:20:06,930
yeah was the MTV beach house,
which was the first year of that

1355
01:20:06,930 --> 01:20:10,320
was fantastic was a great idea.
Everyone was out in the Hamptons

1356
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:14,340
and a huge mansion. And we're
doing our shows from there. And

1357
01:20:14,340 --> 01:20:17,400
I think I was doing a segment
with Kennedy on wave runners,

1358
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:22,500
which are now mistakenly called
jet skis. And I was doing my

1359
01:20:22,500 --> 01:20:27,300
segment standstill in the water.
And she thought it would be

1360
01:20:27,300 --> 01:20:33,330
funny to ram her wave runner
into me, when of course I'm not

1361
01:20:33,330 --> 01:20:36,780
expecting it from behind, and
what happens I fall off, and I

1362
01:20:36,780 --> 01:20:40,890
fall on the edge of the wave
runner with my ass. And it

1363
01:20:40,890 --> 01:20:45,840
actually ruptured the muscle.
And so to this day, I have a

1364
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:53,700
little little dent in my butt.
Thank you, Kennedy. Christina is

1365
01:20:53,700 --> 01:20:55,140
on our way to Jordan right now.

1366
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:56,550
Why

1367
01:20:57,630 --> 01:21:02,430
she signed up for this show. Oh,
no. Yeah, reality show.

1368
01:21:02,460 --> 01:21:03,690
You have to go rescue her.

1369
01:21:04,949 --> 01:21:08,159
And the way it works is they
they tell you on the day, you're

1370
01:21:08,159 --> 01:21:09,479
going to leave where you're
going.

1371
01:21:10,500 --> 01:21:11,910
She's been doing this before.

1372
01:21:11,940 --> 01:21:13,860
Yeah, that was not a good
experience. This is

1373
01:21:15,659 --> 01:21:18,719
where she went to Africa. Yeah.
And it was all actors. Yeah, it

1374
01:21:18,719 --> 01:21:21,149
was all she thought she was
living with a tribe this story

1375
01:21:21,149 --> 01:21:24,119
that is the funniest, most
humiliating story. So

1376
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:28,650
the idea was you should tell it
should be fun. The It was like a

1377
01:21:28,650 --> 01:21:31,500
Celebrity Big Brother type. But
you know, get out of the jungle

1378
01:21:31,500 --> 01:21:35,730
type things that the idea was
the celebrities would go to

1379
01:21:35,730 --> 01:21:39,630
Africa and live with an African
tribe for a week or 10 days. And

1380
01:21:39,630 --> 01:21:41,880
you know, Christina called me
about his I felt really bad. The

1381
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:44,670
most bad somebody think that
look, I've traveled the world on

1382
01:21:44,670 --> 01:21:48,210
someone else's dime, grab the
opportunity. Go, go go. What,

1383
01:21:48,210 --> 01:21:52,020
uh, how great is that? Um, so
she's in there for a week. And

1384
01:21:52,020 --> 01:21:54,960
she's, you know, she's
completely into it. Because this

1385
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:57,570
is my daughter's like, this is
so stupid, but I'll just get

1386
01:21:57,570 --> 01:22:01,800
into it. No matter what. And you
know, she even had her boobs out

1387
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:05,430
like all the all the other women
in the camp and his hall and

1388
01:22:05,430 --> 01:22:09,210
firewood. And then then, like,
near the end, all of a sudden,

1389
01:22:09,390 --> 01:22:12,300
they say, hey, surprise, we
speak Dutch. And it was all a

1390
01:22:12,300 --> 01:22:14,880
big joke. And she was
devastated.

1391
01:22:15,449 --> 01:22:17,369
Yeah, there wasn't anything.

1392
01:22:17,370 --> 01:22:21,870
It was a bunch of actors with a
bowl crap, customs and rituals.

1393
01:22:21,870 --> 01:22:24,870
Yeah, that's true. That's so
sad.

1394
01:22:25,140 --> 01:22:27,960
So now I think that's a great
idea for a show. I think it

1395
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:30,660
should have been done in the
United States. Now. It failed

1396
01:22:30,660 --> 01:22:31,290
miserably. The

1397
01:22:31,290 --> 01:22:32,940
audience did not like it.

1398
01:22:33,300 --> 01:22:35,730
Because it was too big, too. It
was too over the top. Well, you

1399
01:22:35,730 --> 01:22:38,460
can make fun of poor African
slaves. You see this or

1400
01:22:39,480 --> 01:22:41,580
something like that? Yeah.
Something like that. That would

1401
01:22:41,580 --> 01:22:41,730
never

1402
01:22:42,030 --> 01:22:44,760
do it. You take it out of Africa
and move it into the ghetto.

1403
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:48,390
Yeah, that would work the deep
south Appalachian because that

1404
01:22:48,540 --> 01:22:51,360
might be offensive to so it's
hard to make it not offensive,

1405
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:56,250
but it is funny. Yeah. You're
going to tell us the Madonna

1406
01:22:56,250 --> 01:22:56,700
story.

1407
01:22:56,910 --> 01:22:59,910
Oh, the Madonna story. Jeez, I'm
glad you reminded me.

1408
01:23:00,330 --> 01:23:03,870
Cavalia. You're wandering off.
Like, like you were trying to

1409
01:23:03,870 --> 01:23:05,190
avoid it. Anyway, go on.

1410
01:23:05,220 --> 01:23:09,540
It's not now it's not all that
big a deal. So the way it works

1411
01:23:09,540 --> 01:23:12,750
is you sit down in the press
office in their little cubby

1412
01:23:12,750 --> 01:23:15,720
corner couch, so they can all
listen in on the speakerphone.

1413
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:19,410
Make sure not saying something
horrible. Then suddenly show you

1414
01:23:19,410 --> 01:23:21,180
new the new vj is great. You
know,

1415
01:23:21,210 --> 01:23:24,120
so much of this was not a live
in studio interview.

1416
01:23:24,150 --> 01:23:28,080
This was with the well. No TV
guy or the phone TV guys a

1417
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:31,680
magazine. So it was Yeah, they
were interviewing me about being

1418
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:33,060
the new vj on the scene.

1419
01:23:33,180 --> 01:23:34,470
Oh, okay. All right, going.

1420
01:23:35,159 --> 01:23:37,469
And as you know, you've been
doing this for because I've been

1421
01:23:37,469 --> 01:23:41,489
working in Holland and I'd met
lots of celebrities. And so what

1422
01:23:41,489 --> 01:23:44,369
do you think of Madonna? Since
she's not really that nice.

1423
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:47,850
Well, hold on a second. Why
would they ask that question out

1424
01:23:47,850 --> 01:23:48,840
of the blue? Because

1425
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:52,860
MTV. No, it wasn't out of the
blue. It's like, Okay, you've

1426
01:23:52,860 --> 01:23:55,380
been working in the television.
You've been working in music,

1427
01:23:55,380 --> 01:23:57,870
television. You've met lots of
people. You've done lots of

1428
01:23:57,870 --> 01:23:58,320
interviews.

1429
01:23:58,770 --> 01:24:00,000
So what do you think of that?
Madonna?

1430
01:24:00,030 --> 01:24:04,080
Yes, it's not that nice. I
thought they were gonna shit a

1431
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:06,810
brick. And they'd like hit the
mute button.

1432
01:24:08,100 --> 01:24:08,850
You can't say that.

1433
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:11,880
He said if you say that she read
the performance the video music

1434
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:15,060
I want to Oh,

1435
01:24:16,110 --> 01:24:18,060
you know those handles those
deals they would do?

1436
01:24:18,449 --> 01:24:21,959
Yeah, you were just you were you
were being too honest.

1437
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:25,560
Yeah, exactly. You don't want
honesty? No, no, that was

1438
01:24:25,590 --> 01:24:30,450
foolery hire to be honest. It's
not your job. Long thing wrong

1439
01:24:30,450 --> 01:24:30,870
thinking

1440
01:24:30,870 --> 01:24:35,190
occurred up at talking he had
nice smile a lot. Boy

1441
01:24:36,239 --> 01:24:40,859
shut up and smile a lot. Boy.
Exactly. It's exactly what it

1442
01:24:40,859 --> 01:24:41,249
was.

1443
01:24:43,170 --> 01:24:46,140
Sorry, they and they hated me.
They never got pressed for me

1444
01:24:46,140 --> 01:24:49,200
again after that. I was not to
be trusted with press.

1445
01:24:50,730 --> 01:24:51,330
Well,

1446
01:24:52,530 --> 01:24:53,520
it was a screw up.

1447
01:24:54,210 --> 01:24:59,670
Couple. No, it was honest. Yeah.
It was it was such a double

1448
01:24:59,670 --> 01:25:05,070
standard. I don't want to get
into it took a funny thing about

1449
01:25:05,070 --> 01:25:12,570
the about the game. Tony Henry
is I guess he's an opera singer

1450
01:25:12,570 --> 01:25:16,290
English opera singer. And he was
tasked with singing the national

1451
01:25:16,290 --> 01:25:21,150
anthem. So it was it was a game
was here and think Wembley. And

1452
01:25:22,170 --> 01:25:26,550
so we sang the Croatian. Is it
the Croatian a crow at Croatian

1453
01:25:26,580 --> 01:25:29,880
Croatian anthem crow. Crow at?
Well, anyway,

1454
01:25:30,300 --> 01:25:32,160
I'd be the Croatian anthem would
have to be

1455
01:25:32,250 --> 01:25:36,810
so he made a mistake in the
lyrics. In front of in front of

1456
01:25:36,810 --> 01:25:40,980
80,000 people. So here it is a
BBC report. He should have sung

1457
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:43,170
Mila CUDA, c planina.

1458
01:25:43,620 --> 01:25:47,160
Which roughly means you know, my
dear How we love your mountains.

1459
01:25:47,790 --> 01:25:51,990
But instead he sang mila cootie
see plenty now. Which can be

1460
01:25:51,990 --> 01:25:59,460
interpreted as my dear, my penis
is a mountain. Wow, that's

1461
01:25:59,460 --> 01:26:08,010
great. The funny thing is that
the giraffe has no natural

1462
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:12,510
enemies. Did you notice except
except of course, man, a hunter.

1463
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:19,230
The giraffe can can slice you in
two. And it can actually rotate

1464
01:26:19,230 --> 01:26:23,610
its legs 360 degrees and just it
literally will knock you into

1465
01:26:23,610 --> 01:26:27,900
pieces. The draft has no natural
enemy, not the tiger and not the

1466
01:26:27,900 --> 01:26:31,170
leopard. Not none of that. They
can they can kick the crap out

1467
01:26:31,170 --> 01:26:31,860
of anything.

1468
01:26:32,940 --> 01:26:36,630
Well, they got a lot of
leverage. You know, I found this

1469
01:26:36,630 --> 01:26:41,010
out. David, tell you that story
on the top half of a friend of

1470
01:26:41,010 --> 01:26:44,460
yours. I will give it in the
morning for that.

1471
01:26:46,350 --> 01:26:51,090
There was a giraffe named after
me at the Amsterdam zoo. They

1472
01:26:51,090 --> 01:26:55,680
noted the giraffe. The giraffe.
Yes, sir. And so you know, it

1473
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:58,350
was like a press thing. And I
was doing the radio show in

1474
01:26:58,350 --> 01:27:00,900
Holland at the time. And they're
like, you know, is it pressing

1475
01:27:00,900 --> 01:27:03,060
for the zoo? And like, we'll
name it, Adam. And you come and

1476
01:27:03,060 --> 01:27:05,130
take a look and take some
pictures for that. I'm like, Oh,

1477
01:27:05,130 --> 01:27:09,690
that's kind of cool, you know?
And so but there's Adams mom.

1478
01:27:10,260 --> 01:27:13,110
And I go right into the video.
We're hanging out in the cages

1479
01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:16,050
and everything. It's outside of
the zoo hours.

1480
01:27:16,170 --> 01:27:18,630
Oh, and you are gonna go pet the
little guy. No, no,

1481
01:27:18,810 --> 01:27:22,170
dude, I'm in the cage. And I'm
the my producers taking a

1482
01:27:22,170 --> 01:27:26,400
picture of me. And I'm standing
right underneath the baby

1483
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:31,110
giraffes mother, which of course
is no two storeys high. And like

1484
01:27:31,140 --> 01:27:36,300
maybe a foot away from it from
its from its front legs. And I

1485
01:27:36,330 --> 01:27:39,390
look I see him with the producer
taking the picture and I see the

1486
01:27:39,390 --> 01:27:49,500
zookeepers petrified. They're
like, walk very slowly towards

1487
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:58,860
us now. And I'm like, what they
said, You are about to die. It's

1488
01:27:58,860 --> 01:28:02,640
a giraffe. And then they told me
the whole story like you do not

1489
01:28:02,670 --> 01:28:07,590
get in with a giraffe. as cute
as they are. They will kill you.

1490
01:28:10,470 --> 01:28:14,640
The day apparently the the
douchebag elitist TED Talk.

1491
01:28:16,170 --> 01:28:20,430
conference, not the TEDx? No,
no, the real one, the real one

1492
01:28:20,460 --> 01:28:25,410
that you paid 10 grand for is
just filled with douchebags so

1493
01:28:25,410 --> 01:28:30,210
bad that women don't even want
to go anymore. I mean, we're

1494
01:28:30,210 --> 01:28:35,310
talking about jump pouncing on
women. cornering them, pushing

1495
01:28:35,310 --> 01:28:38,520
them up against the wall right
you know, and seeing your tech

1496
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:42,270
people you know, rubbing their
mashing their hard ons against

1497
01:28:42,270 --> 01:28:42,840
women.

1498
01:28:44,489 --> 01:28:45,089
Ah,

1499
01:28:45,810 --> 01:28:47,490
it's disgusting.

1500
01:28:47,550 --> 01:28:48,900
It's totally disgusting.

1501
01:28:48,930 --> 01:28:51,780
And you know that that's exactly
the people who are doing this

1502
01:28:51,780 --> 01:28:54,330
stuff because they've lost all
control of reality. I've seen

1503
01:28:54,330 --> 01:28:57,690
this. I've seen it. You've seen
it. I've seen tons of it.

1504
01:28:57,810 --> 01:29:01,080
douchebags. Unbelievable. The
funny one though, is Gene

1505
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:01,770
Simmons.

1506
01:29:02,939 --> 01:29:07,379
Kind of surprises me as a Gene
Simmons married to Shannon tweed

1507
01:29:07,769 --> 01:29:11,249
the camera of the year.

1508
01:29:11,279 --> 01:29:16,049
Yeah, but you see he's not being
accused of anything other than

1509
01:29:16,049 --> 01:29:20,189
being incredibly douchey. And I
have my own story about that.

1510
01:29:20,399 --> 01:29:25,559
Because you know, he he
basically is just he's rude. I

1511
01:29:25,559 --> 01:29:30,209
guess he What are you he was in
for the fox, Fox Business News

1512
01:29:30,359 --> 01:29:34,109
studios, whatever is news to me
and he offended members of the

1513
01:29:34,109 --> 01:29:39,449
team. And so he upset by saying
hey, chicks sue me. But here's

1514
01:29:39,449 --> 01:29:43,529
the thing. I'll tell you. This
is Gene Simmons. Anyone who has

1515
01:29:43,559 --> 01:29:46,739
met Gene Simmons for five
minutes knows that this guy is

1516
01:29:46,769 --> 01:29:49,919
is like this and it's funny. He
used to come into the the weekly

1517
01:29:49,919 --> 01:29:54,599
music meetings at MTV. When he
was producing was he producing

1518
01:29:55,589 --> 01:29:58,199
and I was producing somebody
wasn't it wasn't a kiss record

1519
01:29:58,739 --> 01:30:02,759
and the time I was the only vj
in the music meeting. This is

1520
01:30:02,759 --> 01:30:07,139
where the payola occurred,
although I didn't see any. And

1521
01:30:07,139 --> 01:30:10,559
he comes in with knee pads on
jumps up on the table says, Who

1522
01:30:10,559 --> 01:30:14,189
do I have to blow to get this
thing on the air? And I was

1523
01:30:14,189 --> 01:30:18,809
like, that was Jean. Yeah. All
right, man. And you know what,

1524
01:30:18,839 --> 01:30:21,839
you know, they put it in
rotation. That's how it works,

1525
01:30:21,839 --> 01:30:23,279
baby. You know it.

1526
01:30:26,279 --> 01:30:29,279
So we were talking about tea
before he started the recording.

1527
01:30:29,669 --> 01:30:31,949
And I was wondering if the
public might be interested in

1528
01:30:31,949 --> 01:30:35,699
some of our thoughts. Since you,
you said that you move ever

1529
01:30:35,699 --> 01:30:37,619
since you moved to England,
you've become kind of addicted

1530
01:30:37,619 --> 01:30:38,399
to the product.

1531
01:30:38,550 --> 01:30:42,600
Yeah, well, you know, there's
the Dutch when I grew up in

1532
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:45,480
Holland, they drink a lot of
tea, but they drink it

1533
01:30:45,480 --> 01:30:49,260
differently than the UK here is,
you know, it's really it's milk

1534
01:30:49,260 --> 01:30:51,930
and sugar, whereas I never would
have ever considered putting

1535
01:30:51,930 --> 01:30:56,220
milk in my tea ever, before
living here. But I found out

1536
01:30:56,220 --> 01:30:59,520
that culturally, that really
works for me, you know,

1537
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:02,430
essentially, if someone walks in
the house and they've got a you

1538
01:31:02,430 --> 01:31:04,290
know, a bullet wound to the
shoulder, the first thing

1539
01:31:04,290 --> 01:31:06,810
everyone says is, let's put a
catalog, let's have some tea,

1540
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:10,530
and everything will be okay. And
and I just kind of fell into

1541
01:31:10,530 --> 01:31:15,330
that. And I love it. Now, I must
drink at least during the day,

1542
01:31:15,330 --> 01:31:19,620
if I'm, if I'm, if I'm near, if
I can make it myself, easily six

1543
01:31:19,620 --> 01:31:20,700
to 10 cups a day.

1544
01:31:21,989 --> 01:31:24,899
What's your preferred brand up
PG tips, of course.

1545
01:31:27,270 --> 01:31:32,400
The NHS is such an expensive
program granted the Euro, you

1546
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:36,480
only pay $5 for no matter that
is your copay for everything no

1547
01:31:36,480 --> 01:31:38,970
matter what it is for for
medication, because I was in

1548
01:31:38,970 --> 01:31:44,280
this system. But I also remember
right back, Christina dislocated

1549
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:48,810
her knee. And she was you know,
developing woman at the time she

1550
01:31:48,810 --> 01:31:52,380
was in, you know, in high
school. And, and it actually

1551
01:31:52,380 --> 01:31:57,630
happened again, and so we shoot
now let's go get a scan. And

1552
01:31:57,630 --> 01:32:03,210
they said, Sure, come back in
eight weeks. And I like well,

1553
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:05,790
but it seems kind of like no,
there's a waiting list. Just

1554
01:32:05,790 --> 01:32:10,260
it's not priority and don't run
in the meantime. Thanks. So I

1555
01:32:10,260 --> 01:32:13,890
took her private, I paid for it.
And we walked into the same

1556
01:32:13,890 --> 01:32:17,310
place. There was no one there.
They were just sitting around,

1557
01:32:17,340 --> 01:32:23,220
they took my $5,000 and did the
scan the next day. So it's not a

1558
01:32:23,220 --> 01:32:26,010
very efficient system. It
doesn't seem to now's

1559
01:32:26,010 --> 01:32:28,080
like a crock of crap to me now.

1560
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:33,780
So now, we had multiple
experiences with NHS, an

1561
01:32:33,780 --> 01:32:37,890
emergency epic appendectomy that
did get taken care of pretty

1562
01:32:37,890 --> 01:32:39,600
quickly. Well, that's

1563
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:42,480
a plus. But now

1564
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:47,370
otherwise, I don't know. It
seems like when you socialize

1565
01:32:47,370 --> 01:32:50,640
the medicine, the healthcare to
that degree, you can get waiting

1566
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:53,940
list and prioritization. It's
the only way it can work.

1567
01:32:56,340 --> 01:32:58,830
Anyway, so I do have one print
story. If you're interested. I

1568
01:32:58,830 --> 01:33:04,110
figured we'd share one with the
no agenda audience. One, and

1569
01:33:04,110 --> 01:33:10,410
this relates to I think it was
90 9091 and I was in

1570
01:33:10,530 --> 01:33:15,000
Minneapolis, and I sent you the
link for this earlier john. I

1571
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:19,710
was it was probably one of the
only three commercials for real

1572
01:33:19,710 --> 01:33:24,720
products back in the heyday when
I was Mr. MTV guy. And one of

1573
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:28,980
them was for Sam Goody music
land, which no longer exists, it

1574
01:33:28,980 --> 01:33:31,860
doesn't exist anymore. It's
gone. Right? I'm pretty sure

1575
01:33:31,860 --> 01:33:35,610
it's on. Yeah. And the big our
records and the biggest store is

1576
01:33:35,610 --> 01:33:38,280
at Mall of America which of
course is in Minneapolis,

1577
01:33:38,370 --> 01:33:40,740
but I didn't know that was not
the biggest stores in Manhattan

1578
01:33:41,159 --> 01:33:44,069
at the time. And that's you
know, that's where it was going

1579
01:33:44,069 --> 01:33:47,489
to be done. The store was huge.
And so put together kind of like

1580
01:33:47,489 --> 01:33:52,079
a spinal tap where I'm
pretending to be on a on a tour

1581
01:33:52,079 --> 01:33:55,169
or some fantastic tour and then
you know how all these

1582
01:33:55,169 --> 01:34:00,209
commercials they always have to
have like a slide so you can put

1583
01:34:00,209 --> 01:34:03,599
the current offers on it and so
with almost like a completely

1584
01:34:03,599 --> 01:34:05,189
different voice in the
commercial you hear

1585
01:34:05,699 --> 01:34:06,239
blank

1586
01:34:07,859 --> 01:34:10,649
like the bangles willy nilly,

1587
01:34:10,890 --> 01:34:12,960
you know like all these great
people on tour with but it's

1588
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:17,010
really it's the SAM Goody music
land tour. Then you know, I'm

1589
01:34:17,010 --> 01:34:19,350
going around run around
backstage and kind of like

1590
01:34:19,350 --> 01:34:21,660
Spinal Tap and this is the best
concert I've ever been on. And

1591
01:34:21,660 --> 01:34:24,600
then I go to the stage, open the
doors and then of course I open

1592
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:29,070
into the into the store. And
that's the stage or something

1593
01:34:29,070 --> 01:34:32,130
and it's in the show notes and
it's one of the lamest things

1594
01:34:32,130 --> 01:34:32,820
you've ever seen.

1595
01:34:33,899 --> 01:34:35,969
Fits perfectly. It paid.

1596
01:34:36,210 --> 01:34:38,940
Not very much but it was. I
think it was maybe

1597
01:34:40,140 --> 01:34:40,950
it was a buyout,

1598
01:34:40,949 --> 01:34:43,079
maybe $5,000. Maybe

1599
01:34:43,830 --> 01:34:44,640
it was you know,

1600
01:34:45,090 --> 01:34:47,520
not a good deal but back in the
day anyway.

1601
01:34:49,979 --> 01:34:51,239
nor their movies by the

1602
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:55,530
way. I love fashion. I love
fashion shows. I

1603
01:34:55,530 --> 01:34:57,960
told you I went to the fashion
show with my wife and Amsterdam

1604
01:34:57,960 --> 01:34:58,650
on this Sunday.

1605
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:01,470
I had my suit on

1606
01:35:02,310 --> 01:35:06,570
with Juliet, that that suit.
Yeah. Who was the designer you

1607
01:35:06,570 --> 01:35:08,340
saw? Was it just a bunch of Oh,
no, no, it's just

1608
01:35:08,339 --> 01:35:11,489
it's one designer pulse filter.
And Patricia works with him

1609
01:35:11,489 --> 01:35:15,269
every, every season on the show.
And you know, what the model

1610
01:35:15,269 --> 01:35:18,629
should look like. And of course,
I'm highly interested. Because

1611
01:35:18,659 --> 01:35:20,789
what I get to do is I get to
hang around everywhere. And this

1612
01:35:20,789 --> 01:35:24,539
just naked models walking around
is awesome. I'm not kidding.

1613
01:35:24,599 --> 01:35:27,389
Anybody. Yeah, it's not like
they're posing, but they're all

1614
01:35:27,389 --> 01:35:30,509
really tall. And, and so I said,
you know, excuse me, I just got

1615
01:35:30,509 --> 01:35:32,789
to hug you for a second. I know,
you're feeling the same way.

1616
01:35:32,789 --> 01:35:35,999
Because you know, we talk to
each other. And I always get it,

1617
01:35:35,999 --> 01:35:40,019
you know, I always get hug. It's
great. But I really screwed I

1618
01:35:40,019 --> 01:35:43,259
really screwed up this time.
Because my favorite favorite

1619
01:35:43,259 --> 01:35:47,159
model of all time, who always
watched the pulse filter show

1620
01:35:47,159 --> 01:35:50,699
and it because all the mega
superstars are big buyers or

1621
01:35:50,699 --> 01:35:53,819
celebrities. And of course,
we're none of the above. They

1622
01:35:53,819 --> 01:35:56,429
get they sit right in the middle
of the front row at the on the

1623
01:35:56,429 --> 01:35:59,759
runway. And so we're actually in
an even better spot. That's like

1624
01:35:59,759 --> 01:36:02,609
two spots to the right. That's
where the models make their

1625
01:36:02,609 --> 01:36:05,729
turns. They make their turn
right in front of us. And she

1626
01:36:05,729 --> 01:36:08,579
always gives me john, I'm not
kidding. She gives me the most

1627
01:36:08,579 --> 01:36:12,299
wicked look. I just like you
know, it's like a fantasy. And

1628
01:36:12,299 --> 01:36:14,879
it's a game because you know, my
wife and I laugh about it all

1629
01:36:14,879 --> 01:36:17,819
the time. Let's see if she gives
you the look. Anyway, she after

1630
01:36:17,819 --> 01:36:19,379
the show. She's upstairs and
she's,

1631
01:36:20,100 --> 01:36:21,270
you know, she's D.

1632
01:36:22,529 --> 01:36:24,959
Just taking everything off,
essentially, you know, all of

1633
01:36:24,959 --> 01:36:28,769
our model stuff. And I said, Oh,
you know, when's the divorce cuz

1634
01:36:28,859 --> 01:36:33,749
my dream has to finally come
through. And she says, March 13

1635
01:36:33,750 --> 01:36:34,440
How did you know?

1636
01:36:37,590 --> 01:36:40,740
Oops. I felt so shitty.

1637
01:36:45,060 --> 01:36:46,470
So we took her out together. I

1638
01:36:46,470 --> 01:36:48,030
feel worse when she starts
calling.

1639
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:49,440
Dude.

1640
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:52,560
Not a problem.

1641
01:36:53,699 --> 01:36:54,209
I

1642
01:36:54,210 --> 01:36:56,730
said it right. I said it's okay.
My wife is okay with it. We can

1643
01:36:56,730 --> 01:36:59,220
have an affair. It's not a
problem. Patricia sitting right

1644
01:36:59,220 --> 01:36:59,610
next door.

1645
01:36:59,609 --> 01:37:00,179
I was funny.

1646
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:08,190
The Benigno Boris Johnson, our
new mayor is his ban as of June

1647
01:37:08,190 --> 01:37:11,880
1, this is going to be funny.
He's banning open containers of

1648
01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:18,390
alcohol on public transport.
Good fucking luck. I can just

1649
01:37:18,390 --> 01:37:21,450
see the poor train conductor
trying to take it you can do a

1650
01:37:21,450 --> 01:37:25,710
lot of things. But taking a beer
away from an inebriated Brit is

1651
01:37:25,740 --> 01:37:28,170
just not one of the things you
want to have high on your list

1652
01:37:28,170 --> 01:37:28,680
to do.

1653
01:37:29,189 --> 01:37:30,539
Right, especially if he's Irish.

1654
01:37:31,260 --> 01:37:35,280
Thank you. Because I sit in
first class on the train home

1655
01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:39,000
you know, like at 530 or six
o'clock and man can people have

1656
01:37:39,030 --> 01:37:42,960
toasted toasted in first class?
Yeah, well, they don't have

1657
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:45,780
first class tickets, but they
just come in you know, bargain.

1658
01:37:46,230 --> 01:37:48,750
And you know, and everyone just
ignores them, right? No One No

1659
01:37:48,750 --> 01:37:50,970
one says anything. And they're
like burping and shouting and

1660
01:37:50,970 --> 01:37:54,240
farting all over the place. And
the conductor comes by and that

1661
01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:56,490
thing he's like, he takes one
Look at him go like I'm gonna

1662
01:37:56,490 --> 01:37:59,460
fucking deal with these bozos.
You know, hey, you shouldn't be

1663
01:37:59,460 --> 01:38:02,520
you shouldn't be here,
gentlemen. Yeah, right. Now,

1664
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:06,000
man, and wait and wait until we
get some Liverpool fans on this

1665
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:11,880
rain. Yeah, that'll be fun. But
your beard on son? David, tell

1666
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:15,270
you story when I flew to LA with
Sean Penn. No.

1667
01:38:16,319 --> 01:38:18,869
So we're open for anecdotes on
this. Yes.

1668
01:38:19,560 --> 01:38:23,520
This is back in the MTV days.
Yeah, probably 8889. And there

1669
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:28,650
was a fabulous, fabulous flight
between New York and Los Angeles

1670
01:38:28,650 --> 01:38:30,990
and Los Angeles in New York.
That's all it did twice a day,

1671
01:38:31,230 --> 01:38:32,850
called MGM Grand air.

1672
01:38:33,359 --> 01:38:33,869
Oh, yes.

1673
01:38:33,870 --> 01:38:39,240
That was an interesting plane.
MGM Grand air was a 727 or 737

1674
01:38:39,300 --> 01:38:39,600
was a

1675
01:38:40,050 --> 01:38:43,020
was a toy. It was longer play.
It was a toy. It was either a 27

1676
01:38:43,020 --> 01:38:43,710
is 27.

1677
01:38:44,100 --> 01:38:47,220
And you could only I think it
was like 50 passengers. Of

1678
01:38:47,220 --> 01:38:49,770
course, MTV, you know, paid for
this because they needed to get

1679
01:38:49,770 --> 01:38:51,990
me out there. It wasn't that
much more expensive than a

1680
01:38:51,990 --> 01:38:56,460
regular ticket actually. And so
it had a bar. It was all

1681
01:38:56,460 --> 01:38:59,820
captain's chairs. And then state
rooms are like four or five

1682
01:38:59,820 --> 01:39:03,060
state rooms. We could sit three
people on each side a table

1683
01:39:03,060 --> 01:39:05,430
could come up so you could eat
the doors could close now I've

1684
01:39:05,430 --> 01:39:06,600
been in those ones before,

1685
01:39:06,630 --> 01:39:07,650
like a train like

1686
01:39:07,649 --> 01:39:10,289
a train. I've been in those ones
before by myself. And it was

1687
01:39:10,289 --> 01:39:12,779
fantastic. I had this you know,
because you can move the two

1688
01:39:12,779 --> 01:39:15,749
benches together. You have a
huge double bed. It was great.

1689
01:39:16,439 --> 01:39:20,849
But this one time I'm in there
with Sean Penn in the state room

1690
01:39:20,909 --> 01:39:25,619
with his brother, the one who
died. And then Sean Penn's mom.

1691
01:39:26,189 --> 01:39:29,909
And it was weird. You know,
because first of all, his

1692
01:39:29,909 --> 01:39:33,419
brother was his brother's name.
I don't remember him. He was

1693
01:39:33,419 --> 01:39:37,409
drinking beer out of the can
take his shirt off in the plane.

1694
01:39:38,549 --> 01:39:42,299
This is bare chested there.
Isn't I mean, the mom was very

1695
01:39:42,299 --> 01:39:47,969
quiet and it was really odd.
like Hey, how you doing? Hey,

1696
01:39:47,969 --> 01:39:50,639
you're the guy from VH one
aren't you? Oh my God. Jesus.

1697
01:39:51,540 --> 01:39:55,290
VH one really hard. It must have
been the greatest. Yeah, your

1698
01:39:55,290 --> 01:39:56,280
life. Yes. I

1699
01:39:56,280 --> 01:39:59,400
said yeah, that's me. Hey, what
was it like being married to

1700
01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:04,080
Madonna? If you don't mind me
asking, he said, hell hath no

1701
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:04,710
fury.

1702
01:40:05,759 --> 01:40:07,559
Then Then we pretty much just
looked at each other for the

1703
01:40:07,559 --> 01:40:11,039
rest of the rest of the flight.
Very, very bizarre.

1704
01:40:13,830 --> 01:40:16,110
I went in I went to the North
Pole once Have you ever been to

1705
01:40:16,110 --> 01:40:16,800
the North Pole?

1706
01:40:17,189 --> 01:40:19,259
You're kidding me. You went to
the North Pole.

1707
01:40:19,290 --> 01:40:21,150
Yes. Would you like to hear the
story?

1708
01:40:21,989 --> 01:40:24,509
Wow. Yeah, that's impressive is
no I have not

1709
01:40:24,510 --> 01:40:29,190
been to the North Pole. Oh, this
was with onramp before we before

1710
01:40:29,190 --> 01:40:32,010
we took it public and change the
name to think new ideas. Ron and

1711
01:40:32,010 --> 01:40:35,880
I were running the company and
we had a client Molson nice. And

1712
01:40:35,880 --> 01:40:40,530
when and that was a promotion.
That we that we were we did it

1713
01:40:40,530 --> 01:40:43,260
with the agent with another
agency we came up with called

1714
01:40:43,260 --> 01:40:47,460
the Molson ice polar beach
party. And it was a contest and

1715
01:40:47,460 --> 01:40:51,450
it was 100 winners. And it would
be it was a cool is a cool MTV

1716
01:40:51,450 --> 01:40:53,940
like contest, actually, 100
winners would go to the North

1717
01:40:53,940 --> 01:41:01,560
Pole for concert with Metallica
actually was Metallica hole. So

1718
01:41:01,560 --> 01:41:07,110
Courtney Love, and one other
band I can't remember. And we

1719
01:41:07,110 --> 01:41:09,330
and we did a cyber cast from the
North Pole. And was pretty

1720
01:41:09,330 --> 01:41:11,670
interesting, because, you know,
we the only way to do it is we

1721
01:41:11,670 --> 01:41:15,450
took a multiplexer. So we could
take 24 phone lines, and

1722
01:41:15,450 --> 01:41:19,830
basically convert that into
like, you know, 150 kilobits per

1723
01:41:19,830 --> 01:41:22,710
second or whatever. And we had
that linked all the way down

1724
01:41:22,710 --> 01:41:27,900
from top to jacc talk, which is
Northwestern territory. So and

1725
01:41:27,930 --> 01:41:32,010
you know, literally, like, you
know, a couple miles inside the

1726
01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:33,120
Arctic Circle there.

1727
01:41:34,680 --> 01:41:37,410
Well, let's get back to the How
did you get to the North Pole?

1728
01:41:37,590 --> 01:41:37,950
Ah,

1729
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:42,090
well, it's a combination of
many, many flights. And the last

1730
01:41:42,090 --> 01:41:46,560
one is basically an otter. So an
otter is one of those airplanes

1731
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:50,340
with the huge the huge inflated
tires. And it's a it's a real

1732
01:41:50,340 --> 01:41:53,310
workhorse and it just it, you
know, you can sit in it and kind

1733
01:41:53,310 --> 01:41:55,860
of like jump seats, but it's
really meant for taking cargo.

1734
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:00,570
And, yeah, so you basically land
up on the ice near drilling

1735
01:42:00,570 --> 01:42:05,010
platform up there. And, and so
it not being the dark period, it

1736
01:42:05,010 --> 01:42:08,520
was light for 24 hours straight,
which was really, really weird.

1737
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:13,620
And, of course, you're up there,
you know, we had our crew, and

1738
01:42:13,890 --> 01:42:16,140
we were sleeping in the oil
barracks,

1739
01:42:16,170 --> 01:42:16,740
if you will.

1740
01:42:17,880 --> 01:42:21,930
And you as as metallic as as
everybody. And so you know,

1741
01:42:21,930 --> 01:42:25,530
we're looking at there's nothing
to do, obviously. And so we live

1742
01:42:25,530 --> 01:42:28,560
in and it's dry, right? There's
no alcohol is forbidden, but you

1743
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:31,290
know, we figure we can probably
figure something out. So we go

1744
01:42:31,290 --> 01:42:34,140
outside, and it's midnight, but
you know, kids are riding around

1745
01:42:34,140 --> 01:42:38,070
on their bikes, and it's as if
it were mid day. And some of the

1746
01:42:38,070 --> 01:42:40,470
kids come over and we're, you
know, say hey,

1747
01:42:42,689 --> 01:42:45,899
let's back up a minute. There's
a bunch of people at the North

1748
01:42:45,899 --> 01:42:46,409
Pole.

1749
01:42:46,620 --> 01:42:50,220
Well, it's not exactly on the
North Pole, North Pole. But you

1750
01:42:50,220 --> 01:42:55,950
know, within I don't know, what
is it? 50 miles? 75 miles? Yeah.

1751
01:42:56,370 --> 01:42:57,660
There's all kinds of villages.

1752
01:43:02,159 --> 01:43:03,569
thought it was pretty barren up
there.

1753
01:43:04,170 --> 01:43:05,610
It was pretty barren up there.

1754
01:43:06,810 --> 01:43:07,560
Oh, okay.

1755
01:43:08,490 --> 01:43:11,910
No kidding. You know, the next
town was several 100 miles. And

1756
01:43:11,910 --> 01:43:12,510
that was

1757
01:43:13,649 --> 01:43:14,429
a new Vic,

1758
01:43:14,610 --> 01:43:15,810
I think is what it was called.

1759
01:43:17,250 --> 01:43:17,790
Anyway,

1760
01:43:20,310 --> 01:43:22,230
I need to give a little
background, my own personal

1761
01:43:22,230 --> 01:43:29,010
background in 1990 to 2005. We
started pod show, and this was

1762
01:43:29,010 --> 01:43:31,380
with venture capital money,
something I'll never do again.

1763
01:43:31,380 --> 01:43:35,040
But it was fun. With Kleiner
Perkins and Kleiner Perkins.

1764
01:43:35,070 --> 01:43:40,500
They had a CEO weekend. And we
all went to Pebble Beach. Which

1765
01:43:40,500 --> 01:43:44,520
was really, really a horrible
weekend for me. Because of

1766
01:43:44,520 --> 01:43:46,650
course what everyone does at
Pebble Beach is let's go

1767
01:43:46,650 --> 01:43:47,250
golfing.

1768
01:43:47,880 --> 01:43:48,450
Of course

1769
01:43:48,510 --> 01:43:52,740
Yeah. Well guess what? I can no
go I don't golf. But they and

1770
01:43:52,770 --> 01:43:55,320
Ray lane that one of the general
partner said, Hey, I got you

1771
01:43:55,320 --> 01:43:58,950
some shoes. You're coming with
us. And that evening, during

1772
01:43:59,070 --> 01:44:01,200
that evening during the final

1773
01:44:01,229 --> 01:44:04,169
reading, by the way, you don't
really need spike shoes to golf.

1774
01:44:04,980 --> 01:44:07,020
Well, I still have them though.
I have golfing shoes.

1775
01:44:07,409 --> 01:44:07,979
Yeah. Okay.

1776
01:44:08,609 --> 01:44:12,689
So we're wrapping this all and
this is this the CEOs from every

1777
01:44:12,689 --> 01:44:16,169
big Kleiner Perkins company you
can imagine, right up to the

1778
01:44:16,169 --> 01:44:19,859
Google boys. And then all of a
sudden and we have a special

1779
01:44:19,859 --> 01:44:24,539
award for Adam Curry. And I'm
and I'm getting up out of my

1780
01:44:24,539 --> 01:44:28,439
seat. I'm like, wow, I got an
award for the most strokes ever

1781
01:44:28,439 --> 01:44:32,519
at this golf course. He was the
meanest thing anyone's ever done

1782
01:44:32,519 --> 01:44:32,909
to me.

1783
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:34,110
It's cute.

1784
01:44:34,140 --> 01:44:40,800
Every all of Silicon Valley was
laughing at me. But at this get

1785
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:41,460
together I see

1786
01:44:41,460 --> 01:44:45,120
you You got humiliated. Yes, I
did. You were the butt of a

1787
01:44:45,120 --> 01:44:45,840
joke. Yeah,

1788
01:44:46,050 --> 01:44:50,130
well, it's lamp All I did is I
got I got super bucks. Whoa you

1789
01:44:50,130 --> 01:44:50,580
got

1790
01:44:54,330 --> 01:44:57,150
but it was fun. You make fun of
the of the MTV guy would make

1791
01:44:57,150 --> 01:45:00,840
fun of the guy with Tourette's.
Okay, thanks. I can't play golf

1792
01:45:00,840 --> 01:45:02,880
because I have Tourette's. All
right, the cat is out of the

1793
01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:06,600
bag. I should have had my T
shirt on. I have a new t shirt

1794
01:45:06,600 --> 01:45:10,020
I'm working on. Okay,
Tourette's. It's what makes us

1795
01:45:10,020 --> 01:45:10,470
tick.

1796
01:45:12,239 --> 01:45:14,939
That's very cute. I think
somebody else wrote that line.

1797
01:45:14,999 --> 01:45:15,449
Of course,

1798
01:45:15,449 --> 01:45:16,379
I think I wrote that.

1799
01:45:18,779 --> 01:45:21,119
That's the one thing that
bothered me. You know, I

1800
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:26,490
did this and it's still not on.
What's the what's the TV? I'm

1801
01:45:26,490 --> 01:45:29,400
blanking out? Yeah, I did a
Swamp Thing. I did an episode of

1802
01:45:29,400 --> 01:45:34,110
Swamp Thing. Hulu, right. And it
so that episode is still not

1803
01:45:34,110 --> 01:45:36,780
it's it's a series previous to
the series that they have on

1804
01:45:36,780 --> 01:45:39,630
there. Now, it's still not on
Hulu. It's like one YouTube clip

1805
01:45:39,630 --> 01:45:42,870
of one brief little scene but
was a half hour show. And it was

1806
01:45:42,900 --> 01:45:47,250
it was great. You know, who also
was in it, Rick? Rick monetti

1807
01:45:47,250 --> 01:45:50,310
mulready monetti, who played Ric
Magnum P. I mean, this is the

1808
01:45:50,310 --> 01:45:53,220
level of acting talent that was
on this episode. And just

1809
01:45:53,220 --> 01:45:57,870
powerhouse stuff. And I'll never
get over that in the script. And

1810
01:45:57,870 --> 01:46:01,380
of course, I wanted to change
it. But you know, had no say in

1811
01:46:01,380 --> 01:46:05,460
the matter. That this rock and
roll guy Nathan, this rock star

1812
01:46:05,460 --> 01:46:08,910
who's strung out on drugs
actually uses the word blato.

1813
01:46:09,300 --> 01:46:09,690
Like,

1814
01:46:10,949 --> 01:46:12,539
this is so wrong. Yeah. And

1815
01:46:12,540 --> 01:46:14,730
you can see me you can see me
though.

1816
01:46:16,500 --> 01:46:18,360
Like, how about big wasted

1817
01:46:20,250 --> 01:46:23,970
I couldn't get stoned is a lot
of Blotto.

1818
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:27,930
That's, I was Blotto man, like,
no, no one ever say that in

1819
01:46:27,930 --> 01:46:31,560
their right mind. It totally
ruins the whole episode. Huh?

1820
01:46:32,190 --> 01:46:32,910
But anyway, yeah,

1821
01:46:32,939 --> 01:46:34,469
played that character. And you
had to say it.

1822
01:46:34,590 --> 01:46:38,640
Yeah. And I did. And I think I
made it work. I made it my you

1823
01:46:38,640 --> 01:46:43,860
actually use the word blato in
an acting piece of art. Uh huh.

1824
01:46:45,029 --> 01:46:45,719
It's worth it.

1825
01:46:45,780 --> 01:46:49,440
I Hulu, ar Hulu Go Go make that
happened. Put that shit up.

1826
01:46:51,960 --> 01:47:00,600
I raced in a geo. Did you know
Yes. MTV. We follow the the Indy

1827
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:04,380
circuit one year. And it was one
year they had the race in

1828
01:47:04,380 --> 01:47:08,100
Denver, the street race in
Denver. And they had the

1829
01:47:08,100 --> 01:47:10,830
celebrity race. And it

1830
01:47:10,829 --> 01:47:15,149
wasn't a Grand Prix or IndyCar
Grand Prix style. Well, it is on

1831
01:47:15,149 --> 01:47:17,009
the streets. It would be Grand
Prix more than

1832
01:47:17,220 --> 01:47:20,250
well, Indy. Well, it was the
cars or whatever. It was the

1833
01:47:20,250 --> 01:47:21,150
same cars.

1834
01:47:21,359 --> 01:47:23,789
Yeah. For you, you had a geo.

1835
01:47:23,880 --> 01:47:24,480
Yeah.

1836
01:47:24,899 --> 01:47:28,529
So this was like the guy, the
drummer from white lion Johnny

1837
01:47:28,529 --> 01:47:32,969
Gill, you know? I'm sure one of
the motley crew guys was there.

1838
01:47:33,269 --> 01:47:35,699
And I had the in car camera. I
got to find that footage.

1839
01:47:35,759 --> 01:47:37,949
Because I of course, I went
around the corner and crashed

1840
01:47:37,949 --> 01:47:41,939
into the wall and kept going.
You did? Yeah. The stick shift

1841
01:47:41,939 --> 01:47:45,629
had come up about two feet. But
otherwise it's still drove. But

1842
01:47:45,629 --> 01:47:48,329
the commentary because when
you're in the car and you

1843
01:47:48,329 --> 01:47:50,759
skidding around, you hit the
wall and you bounce off each

1844
01:47:50,759 --> 01:47:54,299
other. It feels like Wow, man,
this was a spectacular thing.

1845
01:47:54,299 --> 01:47:58,109
You see the footage on TV. And
the commentator is literally

1846
01:47:58,109 --> 01:48:01,439
like, what does it do? They go
you know how slow it looks then

1847
01:48:01,439 --> 01:48:05,849
like what it looks like. I'm a
grandma who's lost control. And

1848
01:48:05,849 --> 01:48:08,669
the guys who are gonna call the
official race like, oh, there's

1849
01:48:08,669 --> 01:48:12,929
Adam Curry from MTV. Oh, okay.
Yeah. Like one of those like,

1850
01:48:13,049 --> 01:48:17,189
Dude can't even hold on to the
we'll go Oh, my god story.

1851
01:48:17,309 --> 01:48:17,849
There you go.

1852
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:24,660
Yeah, now I know what stories to
tell.

1853
01:48:24,720 --> 01:48:28,110
I know. I know why Tina married
me. Like, he's fascinating.

1854
01:48:29,580 --> 01:48:32,220
You You know why she married you
because she hasn't heard these

1855
01:48:32,220 --> 01:48:33,420
stories until now.

1856
01:48:34,409 --> 01:48:37,649
Why Believe me, I've taken her
on vacation. So she never has to

1857
01:48:37,649 --> 01:48:40,859
hear these. That's the whole
point. Good move. Play those

1858
01:48:40,859 --> 01:48:43,109
stories when we're not
connected. That's much but don't

1859
01:48:43,109 --> 01:48:46,079
worry, babies. Just old stuff
you don't need to hear. You've

1860
01:48:46,079 --> 01:48:46,259
heard

1861
01:48:46,260 --> 01:48:49,350
it all. It's already been on the
show once.

1862
01:48:50,069 --> 01:48:53,039
syrup and waffles. Thank you
very much for producing this

1863
01:48:53,039 --> 01:48:56,039
episode really enjoyed that a
lot of work went into it and is

1864
01:48:56,039 --> 01:48:59,819
highly appreciated. And I'm
looking forward to coming back.

1865
01:48:59,819 --> 01:49:03,359
I'm already How sick is this?
I'm ready. I'm ready to come

1866
01:49:03,359 --> 01:49:09,629
back and kick some ass and get
going with 1338. All right,

1867
01:49:09,629 --> 01:49:09,869
well,

1868
01:49:10,170 --> 01:49:14,100
I'm ready to so we'll be back
for 1338

1869
01:49:14,640 --> 01:49:16,440
I'll step aside for the
enthusiasm.

1870
01:49:18,569 --> 01:49:19,199
Sorry.

1871
01:49:19,680 --> 01:49:20,790
That's okay. A lot.

1872
01:49:21,210 --> 01:49:24,510
It's been a long 15 months is
what it's been. Thank you all

1873
01:49:24,510 --> 01:49:30,840
everybody for producing this
show. 1337 episodes long. I look

1874
01:49:30,840 --> 01:49:33,780
forward to the next one. We will
see you then. Until then,

1875
01:49:33,930 --> 01:49:37,290
remember us@dvorak.org slash na
in the morning everybody.

1876
01:49:37,290 --> 01:49:38,100
I'm Adam Curry.

1877
01:49:38,580 --> 01:49:40,320
from Northern Silicon Valley.
i'm john C.

1878
01:49:40,319 --> 01:49:43,919
Dvorak. We return for the next
show right here on no agenda.

1879
01:49:43,919 --> 01:49:50,219
Until then adios mofos such.org
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