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You can step over the body. Adam
curry, John C.

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Dvorak and Sunday July 21 2019.
This is your award winning get

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my nation media assassination
episode 50 Saturday This

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is no agenda.

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Machine learning my way through
algo school and broadcasting

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live on the frontier of Austin,
Texas capital the Berlin star

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staying in the morning,
everybody. I'm Adam curry

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and from Northern California
where we're waiting the female

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Thor and hoping for the male
Aphrodite. I'm John C. Dvorak.

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Raglan

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Buzzkill.

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This is rather interesting as I
checked into the chatroom of

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trolls today, and all I can see
is them talking about some

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character and it's going to be a
woman and this is what's going

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on and was pissed off what is
happening.

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Apparently, Natalie Portman is
going to be the female for

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everyone's all upset about this.

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Well, it's not as stupid as
anything I've ever heard of. But

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okay, let's just make a female
Hulk, then you're talking? And

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actually that'd be more
believable.

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And isn't there like a bad woman
or something else? It's just

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everyone's

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was a lot of bad women.

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Yeah. I'm just surprised like,
of all the things to care about

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in the world. This is not high
on the list now. But I've seen

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this go on for at least a while
I got bumped off of course

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because my Wi Fi problem but
it's just been ongoing like

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we're no good. puka

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cares is garbage. Garbage
movies. Yeah.

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They're fun to watch on the
airplane.

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Well, I don't know about that. I
think nothing hold on airplane

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viewing. My experience. Nothing
holds a candle to the Fast and

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Furious.

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Yeah. And there's always eight
of them to watch. So it's great.

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This new ones? Oh, how did I
catch?

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I was on a plane once sit next
to somebody and I was trying to

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watch some, you know, semi good
movie. And the person next to me

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is watching Fast and Furious
Five or someone and I couldn't

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keep my eyes off their screen.
Exactly. So I had to put it on.

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Well, this brings me to some
unscientific research I've been

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doing about the use of closed
captioning amongst millennials

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and Generation Z.

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Yes, we got some notes about
this. I got a number of

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notes. I did some informal polls
over at no agenda social.com I,

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you know, been hunting around
people giving me unsolicited

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feedback, which is always nice.
And really it comes down to

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three people are blaming it or
attributing it to three

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different things. And I have
three emails that I've just

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picked out here that says JV I
watch everything with the carbon

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cat that carbon caption. There's
a new one there you go carbon

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captions that's perfect. I use
watch everything with closed

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caption slash subtitles mostly
due to decades of frustrating

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sound mixing movies and modern
shows are mixed with wide

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dynamic range room shaking
explosions and gunshots are

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immediately followed by
characters whispering important

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plot details. Game of Thrones
does this but it's nothing new.

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Also, like many millennials, I
grew up with a big family

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stuffed in a small home and I've
lived with roommates ever since.

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Anytime there would be a siren
or scream or anything else

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unpleasant. My mom would burst
through the door and told me the

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baby was trying to sleep. So
these are two these are these

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are two, two together, one and
that I got a lot of people

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saying hey, you know they're
mixing it wrong. The problem is

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trying to jam Dolby 5.1 through
stereo speakers, and therefore

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the balance is off. There may be
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that part.

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Oh, I agree. I think there's
plenty of validity to that.

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That's one of the reasons you
have to take things into your

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own hands and you've got to
either pull back on some of

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these processing systems like
Dolby go to straight stereo,

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there's ways around it. I mean,
you're just running amok with

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just letting whatever happens to
happen to zip through with a

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couple of squeaky speakers on
the TV. Yeah, you're asking for

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trouble. I agree with that. 100%
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that seems that there there's a
real issue there and I don't

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I've really never interested in
it very interested in surround

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sound and when it comes to
television, never really set one

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I've I think I've had one of the
has been a thing. So I just

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don't care. For me, it's just I
turned it up and then I can hear

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everything. There's now now we
get into some interesting areas

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accents. This is from Jay every
single time I watch TV with

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people under 30. They have the
closed caption on I don't

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understand it either. I get it
when it's something British and

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they can't understand access,
but it's always on. I dated a

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gal who was 28 and I tried
watching Emily with her with

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captions on because it's in
France, and she fell asleep

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instantly. It was weird because
growing up, we could focus on

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the film and follow along with
the translation. But for her, it

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was like catnip, every single
other thing she wanted to have

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the captions on for it was
infuriating. Luckily, that

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relationship failed pretty fast.
Okay. There's one other thing

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there's a new disorder that has
not been codified yet in the DSM

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five or no, but it is a real
thing. And it's only the true

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cause is not known, although I
have some thoughts and that's

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auditory processing disorder.
And this is closely related to

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ADHD and a DD both attention
deficit disorders. And what

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happens is you can hear
perfectly well, but you are

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unable to process it. Your brain
is either unable or slow at

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processing what the sounds are
and turning them into words.

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Now, and I want to say up front
that I grew up with subtitles.

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Dutch television had English
movies, they'd play the English

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soundtrack and they would
translate in Dutch it was very

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professionally done. They had
hundreds of people working at

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the state run subtitling
organization and I learned to

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deal with them perfectly well to
ignore them while I'm while I'm

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while I was watching television.
I think it also helped a lot of

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people learn English extremely
well, versus Germany, where they

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always did an overdub. But the
auditory processing disorder, I

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think, is something that comes
from people who already have a

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potential deficit disorder
because a lot of feedback that I

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received said, Well, I really
can't focus on the movie or the

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whatever's on the television the
whole time. And I look at my

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phone, I'm, you know, the people
are distracted. This is

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something we know the young
people often wake up in the

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middle of the night just to
check their phone. So there's a

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distract. And also second
screen, I guess, to a degree,

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it's like, oh, let me look up
that actor, what's he doing? You

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know, what's what's going on? Is
someone tweeting about this

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particular show that I'm
watching. And because of that,

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many people have said, well,
they're really helpful, because

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I can just, you know, I can
catch up real quick. And so I'm

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looking at my phone, I Oh, I
just can I can, I can follow

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along just by darting back and
forth and reading the subtitles.

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And I posit to you, as my
research,

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as it my budget alert. My

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posit to you, as I as my
research will continue in this

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regard, is that because of the
lazy use of subtitles, whether

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it's to hear things that were
drowned out by sound effects and

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music, whether it's to instead
of really focus on what's

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happening with an accent and try
and your brain can parse things

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from all the information, oh,
he's in this situation, he's

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there, he might have said
something like this was

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something I didn't understand
that people's brains have become

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lazy. And just like you have
someone who may be blind, their

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auditory skills increased
astronomically. And vice versa.

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People who are deaf can often
see things much clearer or at

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least they processed the
information in different way. So

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the pause that I have, is
because of the you know, some of

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the reasons that people have
resorted to closed captioning

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and their abundant availability
now due to the American with

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Disabilities Act, etc. that the
brain is starting to lose some

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of that auditory processing
power. Because I have asked

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people Okay, turn them off and
Heidi do it's like I really

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can't handle it anymore. I need
the closed captions. I can't

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follow along. And I It sounds to
me like what a deadly says you

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said it sounded like, what's the
little Woodstock from Charlie

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Brown can't really process the
audio. So I would say we have

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possibly auditory processing
disorder being created by use of

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closed captioning,

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which will counter that, okay.
Most of these kids, and I would

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question any one of them that
have this problem, especially

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with the Woodstock phenomenon.
What To Look, do they ever go to

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music concerts? Yep. To music
concerts are over amped. They're

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way above the legal limits of X
number of decibels. I think 100

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is the max and these things hit
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with ringing ears, they're all
making themselves deaf at these

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concerts. Very rarely do any of
them have the wherewithal to

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wear ear protection. They don't
know that. And for example, in

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California, all the bars in
California that have bands in

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the bars, they are required to
have ear protection behind the

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counter that you can ask for,
and you get it for free. Nobody

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wears this stuff. And they just
listen to this music at these

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outrageous decibel levels, which
was started in the 60s with the

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Marshall amp and bands like blue
cheer and others. And now

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they're all deaf. And that's why
they can't hear anything. I

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don't blame him for bringing up
the campus captions, because

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they're all going to be wearing
your hearing aids destiny, your

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investment of the 21st century
hearing aids.

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Well, I'll add to that, because
I'm not opposed to this theory.

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I would add to that the
incessant overuse of air pods

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which are hanging in their ears
all day long. Now, I don't know

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if that can cause damage,
necessarily, but we're sure and

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sound injection, but it also
changes your auditory

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processing. Because once it's
further away, you're not used to

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that anymore. People listen to
podcasts. Thank God listening to

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podcasts, they turn on the
microphone function so they can

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hear whatever's going when they
just to keep the earbuds in I'm

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taking a phone call. They're in
continuously all day long, and

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they're intended that way. I
think once you then remove that,

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from the direct ear canal, it
may that it may be still I'm

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gonna come down to a processing
issue. I don't know if it's

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actual hearing damage could be
maybe it's a combination, but we

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need to research further. So I
will keep my lab coat on.

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Yes, please. Go. Lot of hearing
damage going on. I was through I

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saw somebody the other day
somebody roaming around a store

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with the ear buds, those hanging
things as Little Apple ones, the

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little white ones. That's the
ones the air pods. And they

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looked like they were zombies.
Goo Yes, good. We're changing

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the subject could go into goo
keyword goo. So I've got this

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little battery that I found and
I'm charging it but I realize is

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one of these, one of these
devices. And I have a bunch of

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these things that everybody
does. And I'm not the only one

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has noticed this because this
stuff has been around this goo

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has been around for at least
almost 20 years. And I'm talking

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about the soft spray that they
put over devices. It's like a

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slightly rubbery compound that
they spray on top of a cool so

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she had a nice cool feels like
it gives you a instead of a hard

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plastic you get this kind of
rubbery soft little coating that

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they put on

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what what would I find this on
I'm

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not sure I know a lot of stuff,
you just you find it again,

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you'll find it when it's over 10
years old, it turns to goo Oh

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Dickey, and he got this sticky
goo all over at the end you

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can't get it off, you have to
take some solvent and maybe

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maybe it'll come off you can
kind of scrape it off with your

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thumbnail is when and I had like
a Sony da T player that was

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coated in this old felt so
professional all

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the professional coding

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professional coding and then now
it's like sticky you can

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actually you know if you grab
it, it's like it sticks.

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We find this mainly on
electronic devices is that we

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find a lot of this this coding a
lot a

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lot of electronic devices you
find on this battery pack that I

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have which was a high end
battery.

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John is be honest, is there a
problem with your real doll that

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you want to tell us about?

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No, it's not even the same type
of substance. This is some

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reliably informed well I'm
pretty sure this is always black

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as always black I've never seen
this in any other color. Dark

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you know just perfectly pitch
black and it's that it was used

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and used and used because it was
so cool. I surprised you haven't

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run into this.

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I have I think but it's been a
while. I mean I don't really

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have any stuff that's I don't
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when they stopped I think they
backed off on it but that's why

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I haven't noticed this for a
while too. I found this battery

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which had this stuff all over
and this batteries is sticky and

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gooey. And it's got this this
stupid coating on it that

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somebody decided was a good idea

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doesn't seem like you to not at
least know the name of the

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coating. That's something that
you would

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think that's a good point. I
think you got me there. I should

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know the name of this stupid
coding. But I'm telling you it

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was a dumb idea to begin with
and apparently is It's not

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worked out. And this is the
classic example for all you know

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as carcinogenic. They just do
the job. Oh, look what we got.

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This is a great idea. I
reminded, Oh, how

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about like hand grips on a bike?
Would that be the same type of

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stuff? That's the stuff that

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I think is there just a whole
substances softer rubber. Okay.

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No, it's a coating on hard
plastic. If they hand grips on a

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bike or hard plastic, yeah,
maybe but no, they can't get

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them on there if they were. But
I'm reminded I'm reminded of as

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I was at some event, and you
remember this when they were

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they took all this paper off the
market. It was all this stuff

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that was used. It was it was
heat sensitive. It was used for

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cash registers. And

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yeah, the purple paper that
would that people were touching

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and getting sick from,

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well, they weren't getting sick
from but it was carcinogenic at

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bisphenol or some damn thing on
it. Yeah, well, I ran into the

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guy that made a mint, selling
this paper that was sold to

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substitute for it. Oh. And he
told me kind of off to off to

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record, which apparently is not
off the record anymore. Not

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anymore. He says, You know, I
know that our stuff was bad, but

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they never ever tested this
stuff. But they say just

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anything to substitute. I
wouldn't have stuff good. He

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says For all we know, this could
be 10 times worse.

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Instead of saying off the
record, just say does that sound

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that sound? You sound like a
journalist who's cheating. Oh,

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I've never been a cheater. Okay.
Don't worry. Don't worry about

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No, I think no, it's there's
this there's a time limit off

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the record. Oh,

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okay. Gotcha. It's under was
under embargo. The time the

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guy's name or anything like that
under

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embargo. Say that

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it was he was skeptical about
his own product? Because as I'm

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skeptical about this goo.

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All right. Well, I'd love to
know more about what it is and

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how we can avoid it.

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Well, I can't avoid it. They've
used it and used it and use it

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for years. And now it's all over
the place. And it's just if it

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was left in the hot sun after
gua faiz, this gets really bad

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sticks. It'll stick to whatever
it's touching. You have a piece

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of paper stuck to it. It's
unbelievable is that people out

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there know what I'm talking
about? Yes.

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Well, would you want to go from
here? You know, I have little

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presentation. I'd like to do
some some general news first.

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Okay. You have a story that
you're been following up on? Is

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that what we're talking about?
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I'm interested

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in listening to this. But you

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want to do this now? Because I
figured we'd do a couple you

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know, top news items first. And
then like, what

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what's the top news? I

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don't know. What do you got?

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I got I don't have a clip for
it. But I just was reading this

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morning about this situation.
And in Canada, we had the

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pipeliners going from Alberta to
BC and back and there's a big

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squabble about it, which I
thought was kind of interesting.

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No clip, though.

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I have no I don't have I wish
they did. Well, then why not?

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How about the comings in Cortez
show that was highlighted on

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Democracy Now.

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Okay, I don't really know what
it is. But let's let's talk

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about it.

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And there is the come I gotta
clip the Cummings in Cortez

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show. Okay, there. They don't
the guy there's testifying in

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front of Congress is starts with
the the guy who's testifying in

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front of Congress. Is that the
guy who's the Homeland Security

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or acting, Director, guys, nice
guy, and he's trying to do a

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good job and they're just
killing him. Yeah.

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Back on Capitol Hill House
Democrats grill President

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Trump's acting Homeland Security
Secretary Thursday over migrant

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family separations, the deaths
of children taken into us

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custody and reports of squalid,
overcrowded and dangerous

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conditions in US immigration
jails. This is House Oversight

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Committee Chair Elijah Cummings
questioning the acting DHS Chief

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Kevin McAleenan.

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Feel like you're doing a great
job, right? What you're saying?

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We're doing our level best in a
very,

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what does that mean? What does
that mean when a child sitting

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in their own feces? Can't take a
shower? Come on, man. What's

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that about? None of us would
have our children in that

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position. They are human

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beings.

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Also at Thursday's house
oversight hearing.

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Congressmember Alexandria Ocasio
Cortez confronted Kevin

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McAleenan over hateful messages
shared by 1000s of current and

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former Border Patrol agents on a
private Facebook group. The

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group's online discussions
exposed by ProPublica earlier

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this month are full of
homophobic anti immigrant and

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misogynistic content about
migrants and asylum seekers as

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well as racist attacks. On Texas
Congress member Veronica Escobar

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and Ocasio Cortez is depicted in
a photoshopped image being

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sexually assaulted by President
Trump. This is Congressmember

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Ocasio Cortez questioning
McAleenan.

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Did you see the posts, mocking
migrant children's deaths? I

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did. Did you see the post
planning physical harm to myself

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and Congresswoman Escobar?

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Yes. And I directed an
investigation within minutes of

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reading the article.

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Did you see the images of
officers circulating?

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Photoshopped images of my
violent rape? Yes, I did. Are

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those officers on the job today
and responsible for the safety

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of migrant women and children?

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So there's an aggressive
investigation on this issue,

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issue proceeding. You've heard
the chief of the Border Patrol,

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the most senior female official
and law enforcement across the

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entire country say that these
posts do not meet our standards

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of conduct, and they will be
followed up aggressively.

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High is this still about the
secret group that they were

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posting on?

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But yeah, she brought it back up
because there's this about

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her. That's why she brought it
back about her. It's about her.

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That's what it's got to be about
me. Yeah, I love Elijah

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Cummings, who's just yelling and
scream Come on, man, that human

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beings. But let's not give a
shit about the human beings

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dying on the streets of Los
Angeles, San Francisco, and

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Austin. Seattle. Alright,
they've shot let me follow this

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up. First, let's go to some
questioning about about

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immigration. And there's no one
better than campus reform to go

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out and talk to this country's
our country's brightest future.

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The new kids who are just ready
to graduate and they're thinking

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about these things. And here's a
test. Let's go read them

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something Obama said. And let's
tell them that Trump said it,

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and then see what their reaction
is. And then let's spring the

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truth on them. You've seen the
gag before. It's hilarious.

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These could be pre selected, I
mean, select they are selected

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could be selected only to show
idiots. But still, the sampling

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is astounding.

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They'll have a quote for you
here that's been making the

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rounds on social media about the
deportation of criminal illegal

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aliens. We are a nation of laws,
undocumented workers broke our

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laws, I believe they must be
held accountable, especially

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those who may be dangerous.
That's why over the past six

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years, deportations of criminals
are up 80%. And we're going to

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keep focusing on threats to our
security. What's your thought on

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that quote in that policy in
general?

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I think that policy comes from a
place of like

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white American nationalism,
Donald Trump has kind of like

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embraced this rhetoric of like
racism and xenophobia that is

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not beneficial to our country at

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all. I don't think that that
quote really stands true. This

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administration

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has totally not done anything
moral. This is really awful.

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Amnesty does not necessarily
mean that we're losing border

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security. I think that Trump
feels that way.

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I think that's a bad decision.
Because it's like the United

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States should be open to like
immigrants. Like it's practical,

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it lands with the free for
reason,

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we'd have to advocate for those
kinds of people and people like

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in Congress like Ocasio Cortez,
who is helping people overcome

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these kinds of things

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crimes, do not nullify your
humanity. And people are coming

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here in search of opportunity.

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I'm going to show you the person
that said that, quote.

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Undocumented workers, Is that
surprising? Yeah, a little bit.

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Why is that surprising? Cuz I
thought it was the Trump

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administration. I said something
like that.

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Yeah, it's quite surprising, but
I thought it was from Trump.

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They didn't expect it to be
Obama, either.

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Why did you not expect it to be
Obama? Um, because

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I just I guess, I don't know.
Like, it just never. It never

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occurred to me that it could be
about Is that

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surprising that it's a quote
from President Obama.

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That was surprising for sure.
Yeah.

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Do you think it's still a
practice of white nationalism,

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though, to deport criminal
illegal aliens? I think the way

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Trump's doing it is what But
President Obama to this to this

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point in Trump's presidency,
Obama actually deported more

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people, though. So it's in
practice. That was more from

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Obama, though. What's your
question?

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I, I'd say, my understanding of
Obama versus Trump, is that just

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that Obama was more liberal as
far as Amnesty and border

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security. I expected that quote
to come from Trump. Does that

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change your opinion of the
practice? You know, that

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President Obama did the same
thing, actually, to this point,

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his presidency deported more
people than President Trump at

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this point?

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No, again, I just think that
there's a moral way to do it.

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And I don't know a ton about
Obama's deportation policies,

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but I imagined that they were a
lot more humane than the ones

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currently going on.

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There you go, there you go.
Everybody, that's your mind

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control at work. The programming
is successful, can't can't even

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when they hear it was Obama, he
was more important. He must have

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done it in a more moral way than
Trump is plus

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education system. Now,

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what's interesting, with all
this undocumented illegal

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immigration going on, is that
when I look around in Austin,

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Texas, the people who I see who
are unhoused sleeping on the

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street and panhandling, I don't
know if they're actually

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homeless. They're panhandling
for sure, but are mostly white.

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And they seem to be on drugs.
We've been following and this is

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going to lead right back to the
illegal immigrants only in

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California. So bear with me for
a second. In Austin, we changed

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the community guidelines, the
local rules, where you can now

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sit and lie wherever you want.
You can camp wherever you want,

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as long as it's not in front of
City Hall. You can do it on

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Congress, if you want no problem
in front of businesses, but not

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in front of City Hall.
Everywhere else you can camp you

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can lie down you can Panhandle
in from the schools bus stops

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anywhere you want. And the
reason for this is that it was

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unfair, and not taking into
consideration the challenges of

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life of the unhoused. And now we
are a couple of weeks into the

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policy. Let's check in this is a
report from Luca station KX a

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blindside to

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Austin's homeless population are
growing two and a half

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weeks after new city rules were
approved to decriminalize

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homelessness. Some business
owners say they're seeing even

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more problems. With the buzz of
his blades, Oscar Rivera can

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clean up any mess. But he'll say
his customers hairline isn't the

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area that needs the most help.

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And then sometimes you'll see
people land right here, right on

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the ground. And in when you wake
when you come early in the

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morning, you have to tell him to
get away he's sharp

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gallery 44 right off at 290. And
Manchac isn't the only business

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effect. It's

449
00:26:30,180 --> 00:26:32,580
nothing against those people.
But when you're trying to build

450
00:26:32,580 --> 00:26:37,410
an establishment, it's hard to
go further in and grow

451
00:26:37,439 --> 00:26:41,549
just down the street straight
music has its own problems. VP,

452
00:26:41,549 --> 00:26:44,639
Clint straight has added locks
to the bathrooms and dumpsters

453
00:26:44,729 --> 00:26:47,699
and told me he regularly finds
needles in the parking lot.

454
00:26:47,729 --> 00:26:51,059
Community leaders say this is an
issue of accountability. And the

455
00:26:51,059 --> 00:26:53,549
people of Austin need to be
willing to give out more

456
00:26:53,549 --> 00:26:55,559
resources. If they want to see
change.

457
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:57,420
It's hard to hold homeless
people accountable for not

458
00:26:57,420 --> 00:26:59,760
throwing away their trash when
they don't have receptacles to

459
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,330
put them in. It's tough to hold
people accountable when they're

460
00:27:03,330 --> 00:27:05,820
allowed to camp for using the
bathroom in public places when

461
00:27:05,820 --> 00:27:07,350
they don't have a place to use
the bathroom.

462
00:27:07,469 --> 00:27:10,889
The bottom line. This is a
complex issue, which requires

463
00:27:10,889 --> 00:27:14,159
thoughtful solutions. And it's
up to stakeholders just like

464
00:27:14,159 --> 00:27:17,129
those businesses near the
homeless camps to provide their

465
00:27:17,129 --> 00:27:17,609
input.

466
00:27:17,790 --> 00:27:20,400
One of the things that we can
all do is work together to come

467
00:27:20,790 --> 00:27:22,530
to some sort of comprehensive
solution

468
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,230
next month, Austin City Manager
Spencer Cronk will make

469
00:27:25,230 --> 00:27:28,350
recommendations on how to better
tweak the new rules, it's

470
00:27:28,350 --> 00:27:31,380
expected to include reasonable
limitations on camping and

471
00:27:31,380 --> 00:27:34,080
potential changes to the sit and
lie ordinance,

472
00:27:34,229 --> 00:27:38,159
we wanted to get a sense of how
big of a problem this is for

473
00:27:38,159 --> 00:27:42,479
people in Austin. Here's a look
at the numbers from 311 calls

474
00:27:42,479 --> 00:27:46,859
for service requests with the
key word homeless or transient

475
00:27:47,099 --> 00:27:51,209
show more than 2700 calls so far
this year. That's almost more

476
00:27:51,419 --> 00:27:54,929
than all of the calls from last
year. But it's also important to

477
00:27:54,929 --> 00:27:58,139
note that the rate of homeless
people is increasing in Austin.

478
00:27:58,769 --> 00:28:02,309
On the right, you'll see the
point in time count from echo.

479
00:28:02,669 --> 00:28:05,369
While the number of people
living on the streets or in

480
00:28:05,369 --> 00:28:10,529
shelters has increased. That
rate has been much more gradual

481
00:28:10,679 --> 00:28:13,019
compared to the number of
complaints.

482
00:28:13,439 --> 00:28:16,589
And I would say extrapolating
from that it's because the rules

483
00:28:16,589 --> 00:28:20,819
changed. So now there's more
problems. Small business owners,

484
00:28:21,239 --> 00:28:27,269
and both of those guys were
Latino. Now be damned who gives

485
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:32,039
a shit? Way to go Austin
fantastic that Dr. Drew Pinsky

486
00:28:32,729 --> 00:28:36,719
has been on a tear about what's
happening in Los Angeles. He's

487
00:28:36,719 --> 00:28:40,079
talking on his radio show he's
been I think he went on Fox and

488
00:28:40,079 --> 00:28:44,999
CNN. I know he's been an MSNBC.
But in two short clips, he

489
00:28:44,999 --> 00:28:49,709
explained not only what the real
problem is, but also what the

490
00:28:49,709 --> 00:28:52,619
solution is. And we've talked
about some of the historical

491
00:28:52,619 --> 00:28:55,079
reasons for this. And I just
wanted to share those he was on

492
00:28:55,079 --> 00:28:58,229
with Scott Adams, which is a
rare thing, I think for Scott

493
00:28:58,229 --> 00:29:01,139
Adams to have someone called in
on his periscope. And

494
00:29:01,319 --> 00:29:06,509
technically it's just a huge
nightmare. I guess it proves

495
00:29:06,509 --> 00:29:10,109
that the content is good doesn't
really matter that much. I think

496
00:29:10,109 --> 00:29:13,139
we've been pretty clear in the
past that what we see is this is

497
00:29:13,139 --> 00:29:16,409
a drug problem. That's why I
like saying unhoused I don't

498
00:29:16,409 --> 00:29:19,079
know if someone's homeless but
they're not housed when they're

499
00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:23,249
sleeping on the ground. And Los
Angeles as a huge problem with

500
00:29:23,249 --> 00:29:29,789
this and Dr. Drew, who at the
office used to but he ran a drug

501
00:29:29,789 --> 00:29:35,009
addiction clinics. He says this
is all about drugs. So even if

502
00:29:35,009 --> 00:29:35,609
we had

503
00:29:36,270 --> 00:29:39,510
if we had more housing if
suddenly you know housing just

504
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:43,020
appeared out of nowhere and it
was free. These people wouldn't

505
00:29:43,020 --> 00:29:46,710
necessarily even take a free
house would they? Correct that

506
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:51,780
the the part that is now driving
me to my grave I think I'm this

507
00:29:51,780 --> 00:29:57,210
problem is that this is a
population that if you walk up

508
00:29:57,210 --> 00:29:59,550
to them and say let's go are got
a great place for you to live

509
00:29:59,580 --> 00:30:04,230
them. jority and the vast
majority will refuse. And people

510
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:08,340
believe this. But when you are
chronically mentally ill, unless

511
00:30:08,340 --> 00:30:11,760
you have treatment, it's very
difficult to live in four walls.

512
00:30:12,090 --> 00:30:16,650
If you're a drug addict, you
seek the streets. So there's a

513
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,550
attachment to this lifestyle
that is not being addressed. The

514
00:30:20,550 --> 00:30:23,880
other thing is not only what
they do not want housing,

515
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,570
housing is not the problem Los
Angeles, we just absorbed in the

516
00:30:27,570 --> 00:30:31,410
last year or so about
conservatively. 800,000

517
00:30:31,740 --> 00:30:34,530
undocumented immigrants, we were
sanctuary city, we welcome them

518
00:30:34,530 --> 00:30:39,510
in. None of them are on the
streets. They all found a place

519
00:30:39,570 --> 00:30:43,890
to live 800,000 people in a year
found a place to live. So the

520
00:30:43,890 --> 00:30:48,900
government continued to focus on
the housing. It's a hoax. And I

521
00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:50,880
can't understand why they're
focused on it.

522
00:30:50,970 --> 00:30:57,090
Yes, I'm so happy. He said this.
Because it's true. You have all

523
00:30:57,090 --> 00:31:00,360
these illegal immigrants finding
a place to stay, they're not on

524
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,590
the streets of LA either. So
just another data point that

525
00:31:04,590 --> 00:31:08,100
this is that there's something
else going on. But all all the

526
00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:11,610
politicians can talk about is
that same in Austin, affordable

527
00:31:11,610 --> 00:31:17,550
housing and affordable housing.
Now, you've actually provided

528
00:31:17,550 --> 00:31:21,300
the reasoning behind this in the
past, John, it's probably, yeah,

529
00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:24,420
it's part of Dr. Drew's
solution. So I'll get right to

530
00:31:24,420 --> 00:31:26,580
it. And then when we're done,
you'll remember

531
00:31:26,610 --> 00:31:30,600
no, it's easily solvable. It
just doesn't fit an ideology.

532
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,450
There's something called the
lentement Petrus Act, which is

533
00:31:33,450 --> 00:31:36,150
what allows us to treat patients
again, you've got to read this

534
00:31:36,150 --> 00:31:39,540
book called American psychosis,
the Llanddwyn, Petrus that came

535
00:31:39,540 --> 00:31:43,350
out in the 1960s. And all
throughout human history, when

536
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:48,000
people had chronic psychiatric
illness or addiction, the system

537
00:31:48,030 --> 00:31:52,860
would determine need for care.
If somebody met criteria for

538
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,950
what was called need for care,
they were cared for. They were

539
00:31:55,950 --> 00:31:58,890
put in a hospital and cared for
and stabilized and returned to

540
00:31:58,890 --> 00:32:03,120
their life. In the 1960s. There
was a guy named Robert Felix

541
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,470
that that convinced President
Kennedy that chronic psychiatric

542
00:32:07,470 --> 00:32:10,950
illness didn't really exist,
that state hospitals caused it.

543
00:32:11,220 --> 00:32:14,670
We had one test, we had these
crazy books that were going out

544
00:32:14,670 --> 00:32:18,030
that made the idea of putting
people in a psychiatric hospital

545
00:32:18,060 --> 00:32:20,970
inhumane, and they passed
something called the Lanterman

546
00:32:20,970 --> 00:32:26,280
Petrus Act, which moved need for
care to the criteria for care as

547
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,690
simply harm to self or other.
And if you weren't saying I'm

548
00:32:30,690 --> 00:32:33,450
going to kill myself, or I'm
going to kill somebody else, or

549
00:32:33,540 --> 00:32:37,410
I'm so severely gravely
disabled, which is a definition

550
00:32:37,410 --> 00:32:40,800
that we have to work on, then we
could only hold you for 72

551
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:45,150
hours, which doesn't accomplish
much of anything. So we could

552
00:32:45,150 --> 00:32:49,020
solve, we can help people with
with a harm to suffer other than

553
00:32:49,020 --> 00:32:52,980
72 hours. But gravely disabled
could do nothing. So we must

554
00:32:52,980 --> 00:32:56,160
change the definition of gravely
disabled. We must expand

555
00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:00,120
conservatorships we must modify
prop 47. So we can start to

556
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,990
prosecute drug laws again. So we
can motivate drug addicts to get

557
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:07,260
treatment. Permit drug addicts
if they go one of three places.

558
00:33:07,980 --> 00:33:11,490
institution which we've taken
away prison, which we've taken

559
00:33:11,490 --> 00:33:15,660
away, or they die. So we're
leaving drug addicts to die,

560
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:21,150
which is exactly the policy. I'm
thinking it may be on purpose.

561
00:33:21,930 --> 00:33:25,380
If those are the three options.
It's clear that Los Angeles, San

562
00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:29,790
Francisco, Chicago, Orlando,
Portland, Austin are choosing

563
00:33:29,790 --> 00:33:32,730
the die option. Let them die.

564
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:34,800
That could be

565
00:33:36,330 --> 00:33:39,540
and this goes back to your story
about Reagan, One Flew Over

566
00:33:40,409 --> 00:33:47,069
in the 60s was the there was a
big stink in the 60s, the era of

567
00:33:47,129 --> 00:33:54,449
Vietnam War and hippies and rock
music, psychedelic scene, LSD,

568
00:33:54,449 --> 00:33:58,529
you name it. And it was that
there was that? They bought into

569
00:33:58,529 --> 00:34:01,649
the idea that he just discussed,
which was that we don't need to

570
00:34:01,649 --> 00:34:06,989
psychiatric places are just
terrible. And they're nuthouse

571
00:34:06,989 --> 00:34:10,769
as it were. And they started
trying to shut him down. But

572
00:34:10,769 --> 00:34:14,039
there was some pushback and
probably from the Republican

573
00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:17,849
side of things, but once Ronald
Reagan got in, he went with it.

574
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,579
And so now you don't have the
pushback from the Republicans

575
00:34:20,579 --> 00:34:24,359
because he is a Republican and
Reagan pretty much following the

576
00:34:24,359 --> 00:34:30,269
lead of the Liberals shut down
all the call him I don't want to

577
00:34:30,269 --> 00:34:32,969
call them internment camps, but
it's shut down all the insane

578
00:34:32,969 --> 00:34:35,939
asylum since California let
everyone on the street and the

579
00:34:35,939 --> 00:34:38,639
problem worsened and worsened
and worse and from that moment

580
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:42,929
on, and now it's at the point
where it's just nuts. And they

581
00:34:42,959 --> 00:34:44,789
if they don't reopen these
places, you're right. You just

582
00:34:44,789 --> 00:34:46,979
have a bunch of corpses
everywhere. And I guess maybe

583
00:34:46,979 --> 00:34:49,589
that is what they want. But in
the meantime, there's a couple

584
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:52,559
of things we can do. Okay, the
most important of which, if

585
00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:54,899
you're in cities like San
Francisco or Los Angeles or

586
00:34:54,899 --> 00:34:59,999
Portner, or Portland, find those
cities like Austin and tell

587
00:34:59,999 --> 00:35:03,329
People how liberal they are
about allowing people to just

588
00:35:03,329 --> 00:35:09,959
live out on the open and tell
them to go to Oslo. But I've

589
00:35:09,959 --> 00:35:10,679
been doing

590
00:35:11,339 --> 00:35:14,459
it's it's interesting because
here I keep telling people that

591
00:35:14,459 --> 00:35:18,599
this is no future, and they need
to go to San Francisco.

592
00:35:18,929 --> 00:35:21,839
Specifically I recommend
Berkeley area.

593
00:35:23,970 --> 00:35:27,060
Well, Berkeley is not really as
great a place

594
00:35:27,629 --> 00:35:30,629
as Austin, you got free needles
on the streets.

595
00:35:31,379 --> 00:35:34,649
Well, there's free needles
everywhere. But Austin will be

596
00:35:34,649 --> 00:35:38,009
the Austin's the most liberal of
the places that allowed.

597
00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:42,810
I'm not gonna let you do it.
Stop. I don't want all those

598
00:35:42,810 --> 00:35:45,480
dead. I don't want the corpses
everywhere. That's what it's

599
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:50,190
gonna be. Anyway, don't let
anyone tell you differently.

600
00:35:50,190 --> 00:35:53,460
This is about drugs. It's it's a
part of the opioid crisis as

601
00:35:53,460 --> 00:35:58,470
well. Yeah. The big part of it.
Opioids meth it's

602
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,540
it's very watched dead special
about Seattle. Death, this

603
00:36:03,540 --> 00:36:07,680
yellow. Cattle is dying. Seattle
is dying. There's some good

604
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,530
stuff in there. Because they
have a bunch of regular

605
00:36:10,530 --> 00:36:14,010
characters apparently, who the
you know, the cops can't do

606
00:36:14,010 --> 00:36:16,620
anything about the guys are
strung out and they brag about

607
00:36:16,620 --> 00:36:21,330
being loaded all the time on one
thing or another. Yeah, meth is

608
00:36:21,330 --> 00:36:23,550
a problem. Meth is a huge
problem, especially in the

609
00:36:23,550 --> 00:36:27,390
Pacific Northwest, not just the
opioids, meth, which is a cheap

610
00:36:27,390 --> 00:36:31,020
drug. And it gives you a kind of
buzz these guys are looking for,

611
00:36:31,020 --> 00:36:36,090
I suppose. And yeah. Fentanyl
and meth. These are terrible

612
00:36:36,090 --> 00:36:37,470
products. Yeah, yeah.

613
00:36:39,210 --> 00:36:43,080
So there's, there's the
solutions. I don't know about

614
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,550
Prop 47. We don't have that
here. But I wish Dr. Drew could

615
00:36:47,550 --> 00:36:51,540
come and speak at the Austin
City Council meeting. And give

616
00:36:51,540 --> 00:36:51,930
him a little

617
00:36:51,959 --> 00:36:53,969
pinch. He was invited, he
probably show up.

618
00:36:55,020 --> 00:36:58,470
He's got enough problems in his
own backyard. We'll just keep

619
00:36:58,470 --> 00:37:00,180
playing clips. If anyone cares.

620
00:37:00,509 --> 00:37:06,719
Nobody cares. They just assume
that everyone drop dead. Yeah,

621
00:37:07,769 --> 00:37:13,979
you can step over the body. Hey,
hey, hey, you can step over.

622
00:37:15,179 --> 00:37:18,179
Just step over is Nobody dare
step over and you come into the

623
00:37:18,179 --> 00:37:18,569
shop.

624
00:37:19,860 --> 00:37:27,240
To the very end of our last
show, I received a clip of a day

625
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:32,280
which I thought it was a good
clip. But I was man hindsight.

626
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,660
And like, of course, I deserve
Clip of the Day. And that turned

627
00:37:36,660 --> 00:37:39,720
into a little bit of research.
I'll refresh your memory. This

628
00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:44,130
is from the Google and
censorship. Sorry,

629
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,820
is laughing at your self
assurance and by Clip of the

630
00:37:47,820 --> 00:37:51,450
Day. Sure I deserve Clip of the
Day.

631
00:37:52,319 --> 00:37:54,359
Just throw it in in the number

632
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,760
one financial supporter of the
Hillary Clinton but I need to

633
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:57,120
set it up

634
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,080
more. This is the clip that I
received Clip of the Day for.

635
00:38:02,340 --> 00:38:06,660
And it's Senator Cruz,
interviewing Dr. Robert Epstein,

636
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,070
who has done research and claims
that in the 2016 election, at

637
00:38:11,070 --> 00:38:14,520
minimum, about two and a half,
but possibly 10 million votes

638
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:20,940
were swayed to vote for Hillary
Clinton, based upon Google's

639
00:38:21,180 --> 00:38:24,390
algorithmic bias in their search
results.

640
00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:29,040
Let him say some before he
played the clip, nobody and

641
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:34,320
there's shows that specialize in
Google podcasts have played this

642
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,050
clip. I was looking for it. I
haven't heard anyone play this

643
00:38:37,050 --> 00:38:40,170
clip. It was on the hearings.
And there's a there's one show

644
00:38:40,350 --> 00:38:42,840
that's a Google show. And they
were playing clips from the

645
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,660
hearing. And they never played
this clip. What Google

646
00:38:45,660 --> 00:38:46,500
show was that

647
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:47,730
material.

648
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:51,450
We know these Google shows and
it's like, do you trust Jeff

649
00:38:51,450 --> 00:38:55,620
Jarvis to be objective on
Google, as you know that this is

650
00:38:55,620 --> 00:39:00,030
not just in general, people who
do who have if you're allowed in

651
00:39:00,030 --> 00:39:02,910
the building a Google you're not
going to say anything bad about

652
00:39:02,910 --> 00:39:03,510
Google?

653
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,580
No, it's a conflict of interest.
Thank you. So here's the clue.

654
00:39:08,580 --> 00:39:11,580
We have no conflict of interest
because everyone hates us.

655
00:39:12,359 --> 00:39:15,029
And we've taken a vow of
poverty. It's a twofer. The

656
00:39:15,029 --> 00:39:15,359
number

657
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,970
one financial supporter of the
Hillary Clinton campaign in the

658
00:39:17,970 --> 00:39:21,900
2016 election was the parent
company of Google alphabet, who

659
00:39:21,900 --> 00:39:25,200
was our first witness. They were
her number one financial donor

660
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,890
and your testimony is through
their deceptive search methods.

661
00:39:29,370 --> 00:39:32,880
They move 2.6 million votes in
her direction. I would think

662
00:39:33,330 --> 00:39:37,290
anybody whether or not you
favor, one candidate or another,

663
00:39:37,830 --> 00:39:42,360
should be deeply dismayed about
a handful of Silicon Valley

664
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,110
billionaires having that much
power over our elections to

665
00:39:46,110 --> 00:39:49,770
silently and deceptively shift
vote outcomes.

666
00:39:49,890 --> 00:39:53,970
Again, with respect I must
correct you the 2.6 million is a

667
00:39:53,970 --> 00:40:00,750
rock bottom minimum. The range
is between 2.6 and 10. Point 4

668
00:40:00,750 --> 00:40:03,690
million depending on how
aggressively they used the

669
00:40:03,690 --> 00:40:05,940
techniques that I've been
studying now for six and a half

670
00:40:05,940 --> 00:40:06,930
years. Wow,

671
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,580
could you just say that again,
please, just

672
00:40:09,180 --> 00:40:15,450
2.6 million is a rock bottom
minimum. The range is between

673
00:40:15,450 --> 00:40:21,030
2.6 and 10 point 4 million
votes, depending on how

674
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:24,300
aggressive they were in using
the techniques that I've been

675
00:40:24,300 --> 00:40:28,440
studying, such as the search
engine manipulation effects, the

676
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:33,270
search suggestion effect, the
answer bot effect and a number

677
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:38,520
of others, they control these,
and no one can counteract them.

678
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:43,020
These are not competitive. These
are tools that they have at

679
00:40:43,020 --> 00:40:45,960
their disposal, exclusively.

680
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,680
There you go. Now, of course,
when you hear that you like even

681
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,700
I'm going? Yeah, I think I said
it on the show. I don't know if

682
00:40:53,700 --> 00:40:58,260
it really swayed 10 million
people to, you know, to vote for

683
00:40:58,260 --> 00:41:02,010
Hillary over Trump, if they
were, you know, on the fence.

684
00:41:03,810 --> 00:41:06,450
Yeah, and I think I was I was
siding with it with the

685
00:41:06,450 --> 00:41:09,990
professor, I think it probably
could have. And you were very

686
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:12,840
skeptical. So this is better
that you do this report? Yeah,

687
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:16,530
you took it on. I will mention
this just as kind of as an

688
00:41:16,530 --> 00:41:21,900
aside. Let's just say the max is
true here. And the max is true

689
00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:24,900
about the illegal immigrants
that are brought into the

690
00:41:24,900 --> 00:41:28,470
country to vote for the
Democrats. If you could wait 10

691
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:32,820
million votes, and have maybe I
don't know another 10 million

692
00:41:32,850 --> 00:41:38,250
immigrants all voting for
Hillary and she still loses? How

693
00:41:38,250 --> 00:41:40,740
much? How much people really
hate this woman?

694
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,150
Or how much they decide? Or how
much how much do people really

695
00:41:45,150 --> 00:41:48,030
want to vote for Trump? I mean,
you could look at it either way.

696
00:41:48,750 --> 00:41:54,600
So a little a little background
on on the professor is a PhD and

697
00:41:54,600 --> 00:42:00,330
senior research psychologist,
research scientists, media

698
00:42:00,330 --> 00:42:03,540
professional author of 15 books
and reading from his own bio,

699
00:42:03,870 --> 00:42:07,080
more than 300 articles on
psychology related topics,

700
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,560
including empirical studies in
science, nature, psychological

701
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,310
science, and the Proceedings of
the National Academy of Science

702
00:42:14,310 --> 00:42:17,970
has a PhD from Harvard
University under BF Skinner. Dr.

703
00:42:17,970 --> 00:42:21,570
Epstein is this funner? Yeah, do
you know M BF Skinner?

704
00:42:21,780 --> 00:42:24,720
Oh, yeah, he's the famous
behaviorist. Okay, well, the

705
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:26,490
most famous guys ever.

706
00:42:27,150 --> 00:42:30,420
Epstein is the founder and the
Director Emeritus of the

707
00:42:30,420 --> 00:42:33,750
Cambridge center for behavioral
studies. He's also hosted

708
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:38,220
several radio shows, etc. He is
a registered Democrat. He voted

709
00:42:38,220 --> 00:42:44,040
for Hillary Clinton. And he
started a nonprofit, which is

710
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,560
the American Institute for
behavioral research and

711
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:52,740
technology. 501 C three, I check
the 990 filings has about

712
00:42:52,740 --> 00:43:00,270
$150,000 on hand raised about
$40,000. Every year for the past

713
00:43:00,270 --> 00:43:05,040
couple of years little bump in
2016. The only people in this

714
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:10,440
organization were three, Epstein
himself, Tyler Healy, who is the

715
00:43:11,220 --> 00:43:14,250
the technology. In fact, if you
read his bio, you know exactly

716
00:43:14,250 --> 00:43:17,940
what is technology director,
cybersecurity expert, full stack

717
00:43:17,940 --> 00:43:22,140
developer, so he basically put
together all the tests. And then

718
00:43:22,140 --> 00:43:27,420
Brian Meredith, the managing
director, he came to the AIB RT

719
00:43:27,420 --> 00:43:30,540
after a much honored advertising
agency career spanning three

720
00:43:30,540 --> 00:43:33,630
continents, former vice
president of Benton Bowles,

721
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:37,320
founding member and director of
the International creative team,

722
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,920
and McCann, Erickson. These are
big advertising agencies. He

723
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:46,110
passed away in 2017. I think he
was probably the original funder

724
00:43:46,140 --> 00:43:52,410
of, of this organization. And
clearly not a lot of funding has

725
00:43:52,410 --> 00:43:54,630
come in. But of course, if
you're fighting Google, you

726
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:58,770
might have a lot of enemies. The
Google has, I think is the

727
00:43:58,770 --> 00:44:03,690
largest lobby are in DC at the
moment may be battling with

728
00:44:03,690 --> 00:44:06,150
China, who the hell knows? Maybe
they work together? I don't

729
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:11,400
know. So I look at the research
and he has a number of research

730
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:14,400
beyond what we're talking about
here, which is search engine

731
00:44:14,430 --> 00:44:18,270
manipulation effects, the S E M
E, he has also looked at the

732
00:44:18,270 --> 00:44:22,860
search suggestion effect, the
answer bot effect, anybody's

733
00:44:22,860 --> 00:44:26,760
done many other things would
come to psychological behavior.

734
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,370
And I think having an
advertising guy in early was

735
00:44:29,370 --> 00:44:32,760
probably Hey, how do we use
today's technology to sell

736
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,780
products and that's probably
exactly he stumped. So probably

737
00:44:36,780 --> 00:44:39,270
the most fair research yet
because they were looking to

738
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:42,990
figure out what manipulates
people towards choices. The

739
00:44:42,990 --> 00:44:47,670
research as as published in the
PNAS, which is the official

740
00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:51,150
journal, not only was it
accepted, reviewed, it has been

741
00:44:51,150 --> 00:44:55,020
replicated in Germany. This is a
big deal. If you go look at all

742
00:44:55,020 --> 00:44:57,630
these bullcrap studies
everywhere, look and see if

743
00:44:57,630 --> 00:45:01,230
there was a replication of it.
The repple Keishon crisis is

744
00:45:01,230 --> 00:45:07,170
rampant in in certainly in the
psychological sciences. There's,

745
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,990
you know, the people can't
recreate the studies and but

746
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:12,180
still there, what are you
eating? What are you doing? It's

747
00:45:12,210 --> 00:45:15,840
it's distracting me. Sorry,
you're ripping paper or

748
00:45:16,290 --> 00:45:18,720
I am actually I'm just going
through so I'm looking for some

749
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:19,350
notes go on

750
00:45:19,380 --> 00:45:21,330
don't tear paper.

751
00:45:21,630 --> 00:45:24,300
I wasn't tearing paper, but I'm
gonna. I'm gonna name the mic.

752
00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:25,740
So don't talk to me name the
movie.

753
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:33,930
I looked at his research it is
large groups. 10s of 1000s of

754
00:45:33,930 --> 00:45:37,410
people. double blind study.
You're tearing paper again?

755
00:45:37,590 --> 00:45:39,030
Double blustery paper.

756
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:42,780
I'm just taking people out of a
pile. I am D Mikey. Just keep

757
00:45:42,780 --> 00:45:43,050
going.

758
00:45:43,140 --> 00:45:46,350
Don't D Mike, I need you to be
able to interrupt for a reason.

759
00:45:46,350 --> 00:45:46,770
I'm just saying.

760
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:51,120
Here's a pile of paper, I take
the paper off.

761
00:45:51,420 --> 00:45:53,430
Well, are you looking for
something? Are you doing

762
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:58,560
crossword already go on? Is your
chair squeaking to your paper

763
00:45:58,560 --> 00:45:59,970
and they're talking back to each
other.

764
00:46:00,780 --> 00:46:04,530
But you just keep normally your
bitching and moaning my

765
00:46:04,530 --> 00:46:10,530
interrupting now? Because I'm
not interrupting? Please, please

766
00:46:10,530 --> 00:46:12,000
go back. All right.

767
00:46:14,700 --> 00:46:20,070
So the research is very deep. It
is done with all of us. I mean,

768
00:46:20,070 --> 00:46:22,440
I'm not a scientist. But I've
seen a lot of research

769
00:46:22,530 --> 00:46:26,640
throughout 11 years of doing the
show. And it really looks like

770
00:46:26,670 --> 00:46:31,200
he he did all the business the
way it should be done. And in

771
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,400
2014 15, but particularly in
2016, he did a number of studies

772
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:41,520
and again in 2018, where he
would look at the results based

773
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:47,100
upon political questions that
came in from Google query from

774
00:46:47,820 --> 00:46:51,330
Bing, and from Yahoo. And the
results for Google were

775
00:46:51,330 --> 00:46:55,470
significantly different. I don't
think that, you know, they're

776
00:46:55,530 --> 00:46:59,730
their algorithms are different.
But the research really focused

777
00:46:59,730 --> 00:47:04,530
on and this is what I found to
be interesting is that is the

778
00:47:04,530 --> 00:47:10,590
bias of what people click on in
search results. So when you

779
00:47:12,060 --> 00:47:16,110
search for you propose a
question to Google, the top two

780
00:47:16,140 --> 00:47:20,550
results receive all of the
clicks with 50% Going to the top

781
00:47:20,550 --> 00:47:24,030
one 30% Going to the second one
that drops off quite

782
00:47:24,030 --> 00:47:28,170
dramatically. Interestingly, the
last the bottom one on a page

783
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:34,170
gets more, more clicks than you
know, the five or six above it,

784
00:47:34,170 --> 00:47:36,750
and you can probably figure out
why we've all done that. Let me

785
00:47:36,750 --> 00:47:38,880
scroll on the bottom, I'll click
this one, I'll go to the next

786
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,380
page. But the click is, is
pretty much always on the top

787
00:47:43,410 --> 00:47:49,290
one or the top two. And
depending on what is driving the

788
00:47:49,290 --> 00:47:54,570
results, he found that amongst
undecided voters, this is key

789
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,450
people who are really on the
fence and it could be you know,

790
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:02,040
undecided voters can be 10% can
be 15% can be 20% of an election

791
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:10,020
people on the fence that that
the the choices people make,

792
00:48:10,590 --> 00:48:14,940
I should mention is usually over
20%. The undecided voters are

793
00:48:14,970 --> 00:48:16,680
always very high right into the
election.

794
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:18,630
Oh really? What What kind of
percentage are we talking?

795
00:48:19,590 --> 00:48:21,150
I've seen as high as 40.

796
00:48:21,810 --> 00:48:28,050
So he claims that given an A B
choice, that the top two links

797
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:33,570
determined People's Choice. And
regardless of what that content

798
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:38,160
is, well, obviously it's it's
pointing towards A or B, if it's

799
00:48:38,190 --> 00:48:44,760
a 20 to 90%, we'll choose a over
b just because they were the top

800
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,920
two links. So we understand the
research, because that's really

801
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:52,020
what all his research is saying.
His research is saying, unlike

802
00:48:52,140 --> 00:48:56,070
anything else. When you have a
choice between the two

803
00:48:56,070 --> 00:49:00,000
candidates and you oppose a
question, the top two link

804
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,150
answers that you click on that
on the top of the page will

805
00:49:03,150 --> 00:49:07,170
determine who you're going to
vote for in aggregate over your

806
00:49:07,170 --> 00:49:07,890
research.

807
00:49:08,310 --> 00:49:14,160
I should stop you. I remember
it. Because what you're what

808
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,520
he's doing is maybe
deconstructing what has already

809
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,720
been done at Google because I
will remind myself that Sergey

810
00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:25,860
Brin years to come on to silicon
spin show one lot and he one

811
00:49:25,860 --> 00:49:30,150
time said to me, you know, we
have the most PhDs of any

812
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:34,560
company in the world. And one of
those PhDs doing there.

813
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,850
They're probably trying to
figure out well, they can do

814
00:49:38,850 --> 00:49:43,860
stuff to manipulate things, or
is that really what they're

815
00:49:43,860 --> 00:49:46,950
doing? Because I have I have
some, some thoughts about what

816
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:50,940
is what the where the bias has
come from, but I have a bunch of

817
00:49:50,940 --> 00:49:55,080
clips. Most of them are about 50
to 60 seconds long, but they do

818
00:49:55,110 --> 00:49:58,080
tell the story, as from
different interviews that I've

819
00:49:58,110 --> 00:50:03,270
put together, and the first one
Is Epstein introducing himself

820
00:50:03,300 --> 00:50:07,170
and giving a brief overview of
seen which is the search engine

821
00:50:07,170 --> 00:50:10,470
manipulation effects. This is
what he proved in his research.

822
00:50:10,500 --> 00:50:12,960
Oh, by the way, the whole pdf of
his research is in the show

823
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:13,350
notes,

824
00:50:13,380 --> 00:50:17,010
I've been researching all kinds
of new methods of online

825
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:21,600
influence the internet has made
possible. My first discovery was

826
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,770
of something called seam sem a
the search engine manipulation

827
00:50:25,770 --> 00:50:31,590
effect, which is the impact that
biased search results have on

828
00:50:31,590 --> 00:50:36,120
opinions and votes. When I first
started doing experiments on

829
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,930
this, which was more than six
years ago, I thought the impact

830
00:50:39,930 --> 00:50:45,090
would be very small, it turns
out, the impact is enormous.

831
00:50:45,090 --> 00:50:48,510
It's one of the largest
behavioral effects ever

832
00:50:48,510 --> 00:50:52,620
discovered in the behavioral
sciences. And I published my

833
00:50:52,620 --> 00:50:55,740
first report on this effect in
the Proceedings of the National

834
00:50:55,740 --> 00:51:00,600
Academy of Sciences that was in
2015. And that report has since

835
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,290
been accessed or downloaded more
than 200,000 times. And that's,

836
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,260
that's a lot for a scientific
paper. And since then, I've

837
00:51:07,260 --> 00:51:11,190
discovered about seven other
effects. These effects are so

838
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:14,670
powerful, that if they're in the
hands of people who have

839
00:51:15,090 --> 00:51:19,560
particular political leanings,
together, they can shift upwards

840
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:25,530
of 15 million votes in a
presidential election, without

841
00:51:25,620 --> 00:51:28,680
anyone knowing that they're
being manipulated and without

842
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,830
leaving a paper trail for
authorities to trace.

843
00:51:33,300 --> 00:51:35,670
So that's kind of the same
background or I gave, but in

844
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:39,690
maybe more succinct language. So
2016, he decided to monitor

845
00:51:39,690 --> 00:51:43,200
searches, this is before the
election to leading up to the

846
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:48,150
election. And to compare if
Google was delivering biased

847
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:51,540
search results to those top two
positions versus competitors,

848
00:51:51,540 --> 00:51:52,980
2016,

849
00:51:53,010 --> 00:51:58,410
I actually set up the first ever
project to monitor the search

850
00:51:58,410 --> 00:52:03,870
results that Google, Bing and
Yahoo were showing users prior

851
00:52:03,870 --> 00:52:06,600
to the election when they
conducted election related

852
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:12,840
searches. And I found that the
search results were strongly

853
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,380
biased in favor of Hillary
Clinton, whom I supported, by

854
00:52:16,380 --> 00:52:19,920
the way, I am not a
conservative. And so they

855
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:24,300
shifted votes, lots of votes
away from Donald Trump toward

856
00:52:24,300 --> 00:52:27,120
Hillary Clinton, but in a way
that people couldn't see because

857
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:32,790
the way this works is people
trust and click on search

858
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:36,810
results that are higher in the
list. So 50% of all clicks go to

859
00:52:36,810 --> 00:52:42,420
the top two items in the list.
Why? Oh, sure. And what Google

860
00:52:42,420 --> 00:52:47,520
was doing was putting items high
in the list that led people to

861
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:52,470
web pages that looked that made
Hillary Clinton look a lot

862
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:57,300
better than Donald Trump. And
over time, that shifts the

863
00:52:57,300 --> 00:53:01,950
opinions and votes of undecided
voters. And of course, in close

864
00:53:01,950 --> 00:53:05,970
elections, it's undecided voters
who determine the winner in this

865
00:53:05,970 --> 00:53:10,950
particular case, we calculated
based on the bias that we found

866
00:53:11,790 --> 00:53:16,230
that Google could quite easily
have shifted two to 3 million

867
00:53:16,260 --> 00:53:19,860
votes toward Hillary Clinton
just using this manipulation,

868
00:53:20,430 --> 00:53:23,190
without anyone knowing that they
were doing it.

869
00:53:23,850 --> 00:53:26,550
And then not that the part of
without anyone knowing they're

870
00:53:26,550 --> 00:53:31,800
doing it is is important,
because this is not just a clear

871
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,740
bias that stands out it has a
name, they can

872
00:53:34,740 --> 00:53:40,380
shift millions of votes, using
what they themselves call

873
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,280
ephemeral experiences. And in
other words, things like news

874
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:50,880
feeds, and search suggestions,
and search results. Answer

875
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,120
boxes, these are ephemeral
because they appear only for a

876
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,660
second or two. They affect your
thinking they disappear. They're

877
00:53:57,660 --> 00:54:01,140
not stored anywhere, no one can
go back in time and retrace

878
00:54:01,140 --> 00:54:04,860
them. And Google employees and
you know, we've seen in leaks

879
00:54:04,860 --> 00:54:09,030
recently they have, they are
well aware that they can use a

880
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:13,440
femoral experiences to shift
votes and opinions. And they do

881
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:18,150
this deliberately. I've proven
it with my monitoring projects.

882
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:24,330
So the ephemeral experiences
means it's just in for an

883
00:54:24,330 --> 00:54:26,970
instant. It's just there, your
search results, something has

884
00:54:26,970 --> 00:54:31,110
search box, your your auto
complete, all these things are

885
00:54:31,290 --> 00:54:34,920
really not trackable by you even
in your mind, because it's the

886
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,280
way you've done used the Google
product for ever since you've

887
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:44,250
been using it. Now, there was a
political article that he wrote

888
00:54:44,250 --> 00:54:49,050
explaining all this after the
election, which was followed up

889
00:54:49,050 --> 00:54:54,960
by a top research scientist at
Google search in Politico, and I

890
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,620
think we're the only audio
report I could wear video report

891
00:54:58,620 --> 00:55:02,580
I could find on it was from our
Are tea. And they, they of

892
00:55:02,580 --> 00:55:04,800
course say this is total bull
crowd, a

893
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,260
tech giant has to admit this
mess his previous findings

894
00:55:07,260 --> 00:55:11,070
saying that its algorithms are
politically blind. We have never

895
00:55:11,070 --> 00:55:14,820
re ranked search results on any
topic, including elections to

896
00:55:14,820 --> 00:55:18,510
manipulate political sentiment.
Moreover, we do not make any

897
00:55:18,510 --> 00:55:21,570
ranking tweaks, which is
specific to elections or

898
00:55:21,570 --> 00:55:25,650
political candidates period, we
always strive to provide our

899
00:55:25,650 --> 00:55:28,650
users with the most accurate,
relevant answers to their

900
00:55:28,650 --> 00:55:31,590
queries. Google completely
disagrees with you. I should

901
00:55:31,590 --> 00:55:34,170
say, first of all, like they
said, There's no way this this

902
00:55:34,170 --> 00:55:37,620
can be true. But you disagree.
Is it really possible the

903
00:55:37,620 --> 00:55:40,050
results of Google searches can
influence the way people vote?

904
00:55:40,110 --> 00:55:43,710
Well, there's no question about
that. I've been doing randomized

905
00:55:43,710 --> 00:55:49,170
controlled studies for more than
six years, measuring quite

906
00:55:49,170 --> 00:55:52,710
precisely the impact that they
can have on people's thinking

907
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:57,750
and behavior and purchases and
elections. But this monitoring

908
00:55:57,750 --> 00:56:01,260
project that I conducted that
this shows beyond any question,

909
00:56:02,130 --> 00:56:06,870
that there was significant
liberal bias in Google search

910
00:56:06,900 --> 00:56:11,910
results, but not in search
results from Bing and Yahoo,

911
00:56:11,940 --> 00:56:16,410
unfortunately, about 90% of
searches conducted on Google,

912
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:22,560
not big in Yahoo. So Google
really is the deciding factor.

913
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:28,350
In in close races, in fact, we
calculate that upwards of 25% of

914
00:56:28,350 --> 00:56:32,970
the national elections in the
world are being decided, without

915
00:56:32,970 --> 00:56:36,780
people's knowledge by Google's
search algorithm.

916
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,650
This is important to know. And
he says, their influence, he's

917
00:56:40,650 --> 00:56:43,500
not saying that they that is
their political agenda that they

918
00:56:43,500 --> 00:56:47,490
are putting in there. And if you
listen carefully to Google's

919
00:56:47,490 --> 00:56:52,560
rebuttal of his article, they
say we don't re rank results.

920
00:56:53,070 --> 00:56:56,100
That's not what his research is
calling for. He actually had

921
00:56:56,100 --> 00:56:57,600
something to say about it
himself.

922
00:56:57,630 --> 00:57:01,620
That disclaimer, that denial
that you just played from

923
00:57:01,620 --> 00:57:05,040
Google, you have to listen very,
very, very carefully to what

924
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,340
they're saying. They're saying
they don't really rank. They're

925
00:57:08,340 --> 00:57:11,160
very careful, you know, in their
their denials, we don't read

926
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,040
rank up. I've never claimed they
rank anything, I'm just

927
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,130
reporting on what they actually
show people. And what they show

928
00:57:17,130 --> 00:57:22,890
people is dramatically bias
enough in our 2018 elections to

929
00:57:22,890 --> 00:57:28,380
have shift shifted upwards of 78
point 2 million votes spread

930
00:57:28,380 --> 00:57:30,960
across different races in the US
in 2018.

931
00:57:31,950 --> 00:57:36,300
So they're not being completely
honest with their answer, but

932
00:57:36,300 --> 00:57:38,910
they're not really lying either.
I don't think they're re

933
00:57:38,910 --> 00:57:41,550
ranking. I don't think Sergey
Brin is sitting there saying,

934
00:57:41,550 --> 00:57:45,690
oh, let's only made let's make
this the top results. Take that

935
00:57:45,690 --> 00:57:47,430
Trump, I don't think that's
what's happening.

936
00:57:48,450 --> 00:57:51,270
Well, no, I mean, they the
professor agrees with that. But

937
00:57:51,270 --> 00:57:54,870
the point is, is that if you set
your algorithms up, right, and

938
00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:58,500
you do our bias, let's face it,
I mean, Sergey ended and a whole

939
00:57:58,500 --> 00:58:02,400
team over there were in tears.
After Hillary lost, they did so

940
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,010
onto the internet, their videos
are out there, and they're

941
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:10,470
weeping over this loss saying we
didn't do enough. So there's no

942
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:14,790
reason to re rank when the whole
thing is is rigged. And to begin

943
00:58:14,790 --> 00:58:15,240
with, and

944
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:19,410
and it is and I think I can
explain what's going on. First,

945
00:58:19,410 --> 00:58:23,280
let's go to 2018. He had some
very surprising results. This

946
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,070
was our most recent election,
not a presidential election in

947
00:58:26,070 --> 00:58:30,030
Gitmo nation. It was for the
house and for the Senate.

948
00:58:30,060 --> 00:58:33,270
We did this very, very
carefully. We had a field

949
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:36,600
agents, focusing on three
congressional races in

950
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:41,100
California, which were very
hotly contested races and

951
00:58:41,100 --> 00:58:45,780
Republican districts. And we
gave to these field agents about

952
00:58:45,780 --> 00:58:51,240
500, election related search
terms. Each one of them had

953
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,190
different search terms for
different districts where there

954
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:58,050
are different issues, of course.
And the point is, we we we

955
00:58:58,050 --> 00:59:01,290
simply looked at what have what
kind of search results they

956
00:59:01,290 --> 00:59:04,530
received when they were
conducting election related

957
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:10,710
searches. And we found very
consistently, that on Google,

958
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:15,660
they ended up with search
results favoring liberals and

959
00:59:15,660 --> 00:59:19,200
favoring liberal news sources,
and it was quite a dramatic

960
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:19,770
effect.

961
00:59:20,910 --> 00:59:26,430
And I'm sure that some of these
House races were won by people

962
00:59:26,460 --> 00:59:30,060
undecided voters researching
receiving biased search results.

963
00:59:30,060 --> 00:59:34,410
So we're going to take it as a
fact that Google's search

964
00:59:34,410 --> 00:59:38,310
results political search results
have been biased and have been

965
00:59:38,340 --> 00:59:41,850
left leaning. That's just the
fact that's it's been

966
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:46,050
replicated. There's no disputing
that. But is it the algorithm?

967
00:59:46,350 --> 00:59:48,270
Or is the data which one is

968
00:59:48,300 --> 00:59:51,240
can we establish with any
certainty just how much

969
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:55,200
influence what people see in
their internet searches what

970
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,840
impact it has upon who they vote
for?

971
00:59:58,109 --> 01:00:01,259
Well, yes, that's what the sign
tipic research has been all

972
01:00:01,259 --> 01:00:04,349
about and we know that among
people who are undecided on an

973
01:00:04,349 --> 01:00:10,049
issue, if we show them a search
results that favor one cause or

974
01:00:10,049 --> 01:00:14,399
favor one candidate like Brexit,
for example, among people who

975
01:00:14,399 --> 01:00:19,019
are undecided, that easily can
shift 20% or more of them in the

976
01:00:19,019 --> 01:00:24,569
direction of the bias, upwards
of up to 80% shifts in some

977
01:00:24,569 --> 01:00:29,099
demographic groups. People trust
algorithmic output, they trust

978
01:00:29,099 --> 01:00:32,789
Google, they think it's because
it's generated by a computer.

979
01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:36,299
They don't see the human hand
they think it's impartial and

980
01:00:36,299 --> 01:00:39,059
objective. And then their
opinions change. So we've

981
01:00:39,059 --> 01:00:42,419
measured that quite precisely
now and five national elections

982
01:00:42,419 --> 01:00:46,949
in in multiple countries. And so
we know for sure that that is

983
01:00:46,949 --> 01:00:50,549
occurring now around the world
without people's knowledge.

984
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:56,160
So again, is it the algorithms
making decisions or is the data

985
01:00:56,430 --> 01:00:59,160
now we're going to move to two
other scientists? Well,

986
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:02,160
actually, we'll start with Cathy
O'Neill. She wrote the book

987
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:06,930
weapons of mass destruction. She
used to be a hedge fund quant

988
01:01:07,410 --> 01:01:11,490
which means she would write
algorithms to determine market

989
01:01:11,490 --> 01:01:13,860
moves and how you can take it
you know, that's a lot of the

990
01:01:13,860 --> 01:01:20,100
flash trading is based on on
quant quant work, isn't quant

991
01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:23,010
stands for what quantum? I don't
know what it stands for

992
01:01:23,010 --> 01:01:27,480
quantitative analysis. Okay. So
a quant is looking at an algo is

993
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,330
programmed to look for little
moves and grab those and it can

994
01:01:30,330 --> 01:01:33,240
be pennies, or sometimes
fractions and enough of those

995
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,280
over the course of a day and
you're making millions of

996
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:39,690
dollars. And she got bored with
that. And she went to go work in

997
01:01:39,690 --> 01:01:45,030
the in data sciences for
commercial companies, for

998
01:01:45,060 --> 01:01:49,440
insurance companies, etc. And
she discovered pretty quickly

999
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:54,630
that she was really separating
people into classes, classes of

1000
01:01:54,660 --> 01:01:58,650
standing really the opposite of
a lot of what what America is

1001
01:01:58,650 --> 01:02:03,870
supposed to be. And she, I
became interested in what she

1002
01:02:03,870 --> 01:02:06,600
was saying, because I you know,
we've been following algorithms

1003
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:10,560
for a long time on the show. I'm
going to paraphrase her

1004
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:16,140
algorithms are automated
opinions of the status quo. So

1005
01:02:16,140 --> 01:02:19,050
there's an opinion that says
anyone living in this code zip

1006
01:02:19,050 --> 01:02:24,510
code is worthwhile to me for my
marketing. If you see anyone

1007
01:02:24,510 --> 01:02:27,060
from the zip code, take him
right away. So that has an

1008
01:02:27,060 --> 01:02:30,660
opinion. And that is my opinion,
at this very moment. And the

1009
01:02:30,660 --> 01:02:34,410
algorithm from now on will make
that decision automatically

1010
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,200
without any exception, he will
not change it. And if that's the

1011
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,350
only data it has, it's only
going to find people in that zip

1012
01:02:40,350 --> 01:02:44,430
code as being valid. Your some
of her talking about this.

1013
01:02:44,490 --> 01:02:48,210
algorithms don't make things
fair, if you just blindly

1014
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:51,300
blindly apply algorithms, they
don't make things fair. They

1015
01:02:51,300 --> 01:02:55,560
repeat our past practices, or
patterns, they automate the

1016
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:59,730
status quo. That would be great
if we had a perfect world, but

1017
01:02:59,730 --> 01:03:04,140
we don't. But the data sciences
in those companies are told to

1018
01:03:04,140 --> 01:03:08,610
follow the data to to focus on
accuracy. Think about what that

1019
01:03:08,610 --> 01:03:11,610
means when because we all have
bias, it means they could be

1020
01:03:11,610 --> 01:03:14,820
codifying sexism, or any other
kinds of bigotry.

1021
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,900
This is all from Ted Radio Hour.
So I couldn't get too much about

1022
01:03:18,900 --> 01:03:23,250
the music they put under
everything. And she is very

1023
01:03:23,250 --> 01:03:26,880
interesting talk that she has.
Now how are algorithms

1024
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:31,710
programmed. They're programmed
with data and the data Ingress.

1025
01:03:31,710 --> 01:03:35,310
So teaching the algorithm you've
probably heard this term is

1026
01:03:35,340 --> 01:03:39,570
machine learning. And depending
on the data you have, you're

1027
01:03:39,570 --> 01:03:42,360
going to feed that in, you're
going to program the algorithm

1028
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,330
which is very simple. If This
Then That it's really not much

1029
01:03:45,330 --> 01:03:49,800
more than that. It sounds
really, really complicated. But

1030
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,890
the underlying data seems to be
a much bigger issue. Now we're

1031
01:03:52,890 --> 01:03:57,750
going to talk to MIT researcher
who graduated from MIT. It you

1032
01:03:57,750 --> 01:04:02,520
have to kind of get over her
Valley kind of girl speak up

1033
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:06,600
talking because she is very
smart. And she has done a lot of

1034
01:04:07,110 --> 01:04:15,390
research in this area Joy Blum
brought on weenie and she ran

1035
01:04:15,390 --> 01:04:20,430
into a data machine learning
issue very early on, when she's

1036
01:04:20,430 --> 01:04:23,070
black when it came to facial
recognition.

1037
01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:26,580
I am the founder of the
algorithmic Justice League. So

1038
01:04:26,580 --> 01:04:29,460
my personal mission is to fight
algorithmic bias.

1039
01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:32,850
Yes, the algorithmic Justice
League, which is a group of

1040
01:04:32,850 --> 01:04:36,480
computer scientists and coders
who try to raise awareness about

1041
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:40,200
the social problems that exist
in algorithms. It's something

1042
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:44,550
Joy recently demonstrated by
using a basic webcam and facial

1043
01:04:44,550 --> 01:04:47,310
analysis technology. And it's
the kind of technology you might

1044
01:04:47,310 --> 01:04:50,220
find when you upload a picture
on social media.

1045
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,840
And so what I do is I sit in
front of the camera, hoping for

1046
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:59,070
my face to be detected and I
have pretty dark skin. So I'm

1047
01:04:59,070 --> 01:05:02,700
sitting there with them. I face
dark skin, there's no detection,

1048
01:05:03,930 --> 01:05:07,560
that I pull on my friend's face
who has much lighter skin than

1049
01:05:07,590 --> 01:05:11,280
than I do, she's Chinese. And
you see that her face is

1050
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:16,410
immediately detected. So then I
switched back to my face, dark

1051
01:05:16,410 --> 01:05:20,940
skinned and gorgeous, not
detected, I put on a white mask.

1052
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:25,260
And after I put on the white
mask, that's when I'm detected.

1053
01:05:25,590 --> 01:05:29,430
And I wanted to show this as an
example, that in the same

1054
01:05:29,430 --> 01:05:34,020
conditions, right, a typically
lit office, we were having a

1055
01:05:34,020 --> 01:05:35,460
different experience.

1056
01:05:36,150 --> 01:05:39,420
You're saying that, that a lot
of the software doesn't detect

1057
01:05:39,420 --> 01:05:40,200
black faces?

1058
01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:43,800
Absolutely. This kind of
technology is being built on

1059
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:47,820
machine learning techniques. And
machine learning techniques are

1060
01:05:47,820 --> 01:05:51,720
based on data. So if you have
bias data in the input, and it's

1061
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:55,260
not addressed, you're going to
have biased outcomes.

1062
01:05:56,070 --> 01:06:01,020
So this is a real world example.
You'll recall that there was a

1063
01:06:01,050 --> 01:06:04,950
outrage over Google recognizing
black faces, tagging them as

1064
01:06:04,950 --> 01:06:07,890
gorilla. I think it was Google,
it may have been Facebook

1065
01:06:07,890 --> 01:06:12,300
doesn't matter. And the reason
for this is when the algorithm

1066
01:06:12,300 --> 01:06:15,660
was built, it was done with an
initial dataset that developers

1067
01:06:15,660 --> 01:06:20,100
probably a bunch of dudes,
probably Asian and white dudes

1068
01:06:20,250 --> 01:06:23,970
use their faces to train the
algorithm. And they just didn't

1069
01:06:23,970 --> 01:06:27,390
have any black faces at the
time. And lo and behold, the

1070
01:06:27,390 --> 01:06:30,300
machine didn't know what they
were because it had never been

1071
01:06:30,300 --> 01:06:35,400
given black face algorithmic
data. And so it, it went to

1072
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:38,010
whatever it thought was the
closest thing and sadly, it

1073
01:06:38,010 --> 01:06:40,860
said, Oh, this is a gorilla. So
it was very embarrassing, but

1074
01:06:40,860 --> 01:06:45,300
it's because the core base, even
at the development stage, didn't

1075
01:06:45,300 --> 01:06:48,780
have the right amount of data.
Here's a fun game to play. I

1076
01:06:48,780 --> 01:06:52,470
want you to picture John a shoe,
everyone can play this at home,

1077
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,560
think of a shoe, don't tell me
what it is just create an image

1078
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:59,040
of your shoe in your mind. Now
we're going to feed that image

1079
01:06:59,070 --> 01:07:03,510
into a into an algorithm and say
this is a shoe, whenever you see

1080
01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:07,950
this label this shoe. What image
of a shoe did you have in your

1081
01:07:07,950 --> 01:07:08,580
mind, John,

1082
01:07:09,450 --> 01:07:13,740
I had an image of a beat up kind
of flattened leather shoe with

1083
01:07:13,740 --> 01:07:17,190
those was with some shoe
strings.

1084
01:07:17,460 --> 01:07:21,300
Right? So I had a sneaker in
mind. And if you don't put the

1085
01:07:21,300 --> 01:07:24,630
sneaker in, or a high heel, or I
did this with Tina, yesterday,

1086
01:07:24,660 --> 01:07:27,150
she was thinking of a sandal I
never would have thought of a

1087
01:07:27,150 --> 01:07:30,660
sandal. So if you don't put the
Sandlin, it's never going to

1088
01:07:30,660 --> 01:07:35,220
show up in the algo as a shoe.
And this is how the court data

1089
01:07:35,220 --> 01:07:39,120
is biased. It's not necessarily
left, right, you know, black,

1090
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:43,890
white, Republican, Democrat,
Democrat, it's just missing data

1091
01:07:43,890 --> 01:07:46,230
that creates an inherent bias.

1092
01:07:46,260 --> 01:07:49,680
So what's going on? Why isn't my
face being detected? Well, we

1093
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:53,700
have to look at how we give
machine sight. Computer Vision

1094
01:07:53,700 --> 01:07:58,410
uses machine learning techniques
to do facial recognition. So how

1095
01:07:58,410 --> 01:08:01,410
this works is you create a
training set with examples of

1096
01:08:01,410 --> 01:08:05,760
faces, the faces this face, this
is not a face. And over time,

1097
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:10,230
you can teach a computer how to
recognize other faces. However,

1098
01:08:10,230 --> 01:08:14,070
if the training sets aren't
really that diverse, any face

1099
01:08:14,070 --> 01:08:17,520
that deviates too much from the
established norm will be harder

1100
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:20,040
to detect, which is what was
happening to me.

1101
01:08:20,370 --> 01:08:23,220
So now let's go to what's
happening with political

1102
01:08:23,220 --> 01:08:27,780
questions and results in Google.
Google is a left leaning

1103
01:08:27,780 --> 01:08:30,870
company, it is a liberal
company. So their base

1104
01:08:32,310 --> 01:08:35,910
algorithmic sets are always
going to be based on their

1105
01:08:35,940 --> 01:08:40,620
inherent bias. And I'll give you
an example. If someone asks a

1106
01:08:40,620 --> 01:08:45,720
question about Hillary Clinton's
emails, they need to result. I

1107
01:08:45,750 --> 01:08:48,150
let me take a look at what we
have. We have some Wall Street

1108
01:08:48,150 --> 01:08:51,330
Journal, some Fox News. Oh,
here's a New York Times article

1109
01:08:51,510 --> 01:08:54,030
that says it was kind of a big
nothing burger. It's the New

1110
01:08:54,030 --> 01:08:56,760
York Times. So yeah, I think
that's we'll put that at the top

1111
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,580
and we'll put number two, we'll
put maybe some maybe something

1112
01:08:59,580 --> 01:09:02,430
from the Wall Street Journal a
little less nuanced. Okay. Now

1113
01:09:02,430 --> 01:09:06,090
you've just trained the
algorithm based on whatever it's

1114
01:09:06,090 --> 01:09:09,390
supposed to be doing that these
are the shoes for that kind of

1115
01:09:09,390 --> 01:09:14,130
shoe question. Take this one
step further. Qu is training the

1116
01:09:14,130 --> 01:09:19,590
machine learning of Google is
done by my future daughter in

1117
01:09:19,590 --> 01:09:23,640
law. We talked about her sitting
here on the back porch, just

1118
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:27,930
like 10s of 1000s of other
people who are reviewing search

1119
01:09:27,930 --> 01:09:30,660
results. Some of it's just a
pure search results on what's

1120
01:09:30,660 --> 01:09:34,470
from Hey, Google, they do it
from multiple companies. And

1121
01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:38,430
let's say there's a question
about Hillary's emails that

1122
01:09:38,430 --> 01:09:41,130
she'll be now let me go take a
look. I don't think this answer

1123
01:09:41,130 --> 01:09:44,490
is right, because it doesn't fit
what I think about it. So I

1124
01:09:44,490 --> 01:09:47,370
think that this article over
here from Politico, that's

1125
01:09:47,370 --> 01:09:50,760
that's the right answer. So I'm
going to tag this. It's going to

1126
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:55,410
be inherently biased towards
left leaning results because of

1127
01:09:55,410 --> 01:09:59,610
the data because of the
employees because of what Google

1128
01:09:59,670 --> 01:10:04,530
is. is, this is not, it's far
worse than Sergey Brin sitting

1129
01:10:04,530 --> 01:10:09,150
there going, let me change it.
No, it will never change because

1130
01:10:09,150 --> 01:10:13,590
the organization is inherently
biased. And the data scientists

1131
01:10:13,710 --> 01:10:17,250
are not real scientists. They're
assholes who are not checking

1132
01:10:17,250 --> 01:10:20,040
their data. They're not
replicating it, checking it for

1133
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:24,330
any kind of fairness, bias, etc.
They're also probably very left

1134
01:10:24,330 --> 01:10:29,190
leaning. And this is a mind
blowing problem above some

1135
01:10:29,220 --> 01:10:32,550
unfair shit they're putting in.
And that's why they can easily

1136
01:10:32,550 --> 01:10:35,910
say we're not doing anything.
We're not re ranking No. But all

1137
01:10:35,910 --> 01:10:38,700
the people you hire who they
don't check, they don't check

1138
01:10:38,700 --> 01:10:43,530
these people who are, who were
the be at task to make sure the

1139
01:10:43,530 --> 01:10:47,190
results are proper data, do they
just bring somebody into paying

1140
01:10:47,190 --> 01:10:51,510
him 14 bucks an hour? If even
that they don't care? These

1141
01:10:51,510 --> 01:10:52,620
reviewers often?

1142
01:10:53,610 --> 01:10:58,950
Well, then you have to explain a
couple of things. Okay. First of

1143
01:10:58,950 --> 01:11:02,580
all, it's no coincidence, that
coincidence that Google was the

1144
01:11:02,580 --> 01:11:06,690
largest contributor to Hillary's
campaign, and it would be in

1145
01:11:06,690 --> 01:11:10,890
their best interest if they won.
Yes, or she won. Sure. Secondly,

1146
01:11:11,190 --> 01:11:15,210
how do you you match up the
Google employees with the Yahoo

1147
01:11:15,210 --> 01:11:17,760
employees, which is what one of
the elements that you compared

1148
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:22,410
with or the Bing employees up at
Microsoft, the Microsoft

1149
01:11:22,410 --> 01:11:26,100
employees, in fact, I believe,
are probably much more liberal,

1150
01:11:26,100 --> 01:11:29,070
I do not bias than they are at
Google. I do

1151
01:11:29,070 --> 01:11:33,660
not believe that they have the
same algorithms and the same

1152
01:11:34,050 --> 01:11:38,310
data that they're using. Google
has vast sources of data that

1153
01:11:38,310 --> 01:11:43,080
they're using, in a variety of
ways that that John, who and

1154
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:46,530
Bing have no access to, I don't
think that their algorithms are

1155
01:11:46,530 --> 01:11:50,670
basing it on 1000s of people. In
fact, I've heard of no one who's

1156
01:11:50,670 --> 01:11:55,770
reviewing content choices for
Bing or for Yahoo. I don't hear

1157
01:11:55,770 --> 01:11:59,280
about that. I hear it's for
Google, Facebook and Apple.

1158
01:12:00,570 --> 01:12:03,660
And what's not explained, and
you're not explaining it? Is

1159
01:12:03,660 --> 01:12:08,700
Yahoo. If anyone doesn't know,
this uses the Google engine?

1160
01:12:08,910 --> 01:12:11,970
I don't know. I don't know that.
I don't know what they're using.

1161
01:12:11,970 --> 01:12:14,940
I don't know if they have the
exact same data.

1162
01:12:14,940 --> 01:12:18,330
So what they're using is their
Dave, Dave, they're using the

1163
01:12:18,330 --> 01:12:19,140
Google engine.

1164
01:12:19,590 --> 01:12:23,220
Well, whatever that means, you
need to show me what that means?

1165
01:12:23,250 --> 01:12:26,190
Because I don't believe so. I
don't think it's the exact same

1166
01:12:26,190 --> 01:12:29,190
thing Google is using. It just
makes no sense. Why would they

1167
01:12:29,460 --> 01:12:30,930
even be contemplating

1168
01:12:31,650 --> 01:12:33,630
the exact same thing? Because
you're not getting the exact

1169
01:12:33,630 --> 01:12:37,860
same result? Exactly. But not
the sense the word is that

1170
01:12:37,860 --> 01:12:39,390
that's what they're using?
Right?

1171
01:12:39,420 --> 01:12:44,220
It does not that that by itself
does not mean that they're

1172
01:12:44,580 --> 01:12:48,990
manually or, or overriding the
algorithm, because it would have

1173
01:12:48,990 --> 01:12:52,050
been what Yahoo output? No, I
don't believe that for a second.

1174
01:12:52,860 --> 01:12:58,920
This is a much bigger problem.
Google is biased, the company is

1175
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:02,670
bias, whatever Google is, is
what they will be presenting to

1176
01:13:02,670 --> 01:13:08,640
people. The sad part is, as it
turns out, that bias swings,

1177
01:13:08,670 --> 01:13:12,960
large percentages of
undetermined voters. That's I

1178
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:17,010
mean, the only solution in the
near term is to make Google

1179
01:13:17,010 --> 01:13:22,890
searching illegal for some
period of time, because it's

1180
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:28,200
it's it's not stoppable, it will
not they cannot stop it. It is

1181
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:31,890
their system, you can go through
it. And you can look at every

1182
01:13:31,950 --> 01:13:35,880
every piece of the step logic to
see where the results come,

1183
01:13:35,910 --> 01:13:40,110
there won't be no injection of
the Oh, it's about Trump. Let's

1184
01:13:40,110 --> 01:13:42,690
give him something else. No,
this is happening throughout the

1185
01:13:42,690 --> 01:13:46,410
entire system, the whole their
whole data structure is biased,

1186
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:52,020
you cannot walk away from this.
The only other thing I'd like to

1187
01:13:52,020 --> 01:13:55,830
say in this presentation is that
sadly, this is not just

1188
01:13:55,830 --> 01:13:59,220
happening with our elections,
this is happening everywhere in

1189
01:13:59,220 --> 01:14:02,190
your life. And if you don't know
what's going on, you're getting

1190
01:14:02,190 --> 01:14:04,890
screwed. And you're at a
disadvantage back to Kathy

1191
01:14:04,890 --> 01:14:05,790
O'Neill for a quickie

1192
01:14:05,850 --> 01:14:08,550
algorithms that sort through
resumes or algorithms that

1193
01:14:08,580 --> 01:14:11,460
personality tests or algorithms
that decide who is a good

1194
01:14:11,460 --> 01:14:14,400
insurance risk. They're very,
very similar to in different

1195
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,940
companies. So they're sorting
people in the same kind of way.

1196
01:14:18,510 --> 01:14:22,020
And if you think about what that
does, on a society level, it's

1197
01:14:22,020 --> 01:14:25,350
sorting winners and losers in
the standard, old fashioned way

1198
01:14:25,350 --> 01:14:27,270
that we've been trying to get
over that we've been trying to

1199
01:14:27,270 --> 01:14:30,660
transcend through class or
gender or through race, and it's

1200
01:14:30,660 --> 01:14:33,600
against the American dream. You
know, it is actually a social

1201
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,390
mobility problem. And that's
what I realized I was like, I'm

1202
01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:40,530
working on this. I loved
finance. And now what I'm doing

1203
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:44,130
is I'm, I'm sort of codifying
inequality.

1204
01:14:44,700 --> 01:14:49,290
And just as a as a as a goof. I
was looking around saying,

1205
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:54,990
looking for search terms such as
how do I beat the the insurance

1206
01:14:54,990 --> 01:14:58,590
algorithm, and there's a lot of
information people have figured

1207
01:14:58,590 --> 01:15:03,180
out how do I do circumvent the
job site algorithm, you're if

1208
01:15:03,180 --> 01:15:07,380
you put a resume in to a job
site, your shit is not even

1209
01:15:07,380 --> 01:15:10,710
getting to people, you're being
presorted. And let me give you

1210
01:15:10,710 --> 01:15:14,160
an example. One of the data
fields would be Where did you

1211
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:17,370
hear this commercial, and I
heard one just the other day job

1212
01:15:17,370 --> 01:15:23,940
site.com/npr, please go to Job
dicom.com. So job site.com/npr.

1213
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:29,370
You know that in many cases, the
algorithm will be looking only

1214
01:15:29,370 --> 01:15:32,820
for those people, whether you
listen to NPR or not, they got

1215
01:15:32,820 --> 01:15:35,610
the code, they put that in,
those are going to be the smart

1216
01:15:35,610 --> 01:15:38,580
people. There's the one, they're
the ones I want screw everything

1217
01:15:38,580 --> 01:15:41,850
else. Same with insurance
Colossus, which is this big

1218
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:45,780
algorithm that is used for
almost all the insurance

1219
01:15:45,780 --> 01:15:48,540
companies. And you know, it all
starts with, you know, what the

1220
01:15:48,540 --> 01:15:52,920
number one field is, in all of
these algorithmic decisions, the

1221
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:57,720
number one data point for
insurance for a job for I don't

1222
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:00,090
have to tell you all the
different things, what is it?

1223
01:16:00,810 --> 01:16:06,600
It's your credit score. Another
damn algorithmic piece of crap

1224
01:16:06,630 --> 01:16:10,020
determining your life. So if
you're wondering why you're not

1225
01:16:10,020 --> 01:16:13,830
getting a job, maybe you're not
submitting it right. In fact, we

1226
01:16:13,830 --> 01:16:17,580
need to have are our data
scientists are dudes and

1227
01:16:17,580 --> 01:16:20,130
dudettes named Ben and
Bernadette. You need to be

1228
01:16:20,130 --> 01:16:23,070
whistleblowing. What's the bias
within your company? You know

1229
01:16:23,070 --> 01:16:26,370
what's happening? You know that
something's going on, you know

1230
01:16:26,370 --> 01:16:29,430
that results are being filtered
out based upon X, Y, or Z. We

1231
01:16:29,430 --> 01:16:34,260
need whistleblowers. They and it
may not even be malicious, but

1232
01:16:34,260 --> 01:16:37,200
it's happening. Your life is
being determined by bad data

1233
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:40,800
choices. Anyone who's a data
scientist should be ashamed of

1234
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:41,580
their field.

1235
01:16:45,810 --> 01:16:48,480
Hey, I've said for years the
internet should have been shut

1236
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:53,190
down. Well, it just wouldn't be
not as exacerbated as it is if

1237
01:16:53,190 --> 01:16:54,600
there was no internet.

1238
01:16:55,260 --> 01:16:58,560
That's correct. Well, there's I
don't want to

1239
01:16:58,560 --> 01:16:59,970
mention Professor Ted.

1240
01:17:01,350 --> 01:17:03,420
With that I'd like to thank you
for your courage and say in the

1241
01:17:03,420 --> 01:17:06,540
morning to you the man who put
the C in the carbon captions

1242
01:17:06,660 --> 01:17:08,400
John C. Double

1243
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:12,270
A you miss random Korean Good
morning, all ships at sea boots

1244
01:17:12,270 --> 01:17:16,770
on the ground and shops in the
water. There's any out there

1245
01:17:16,770 --> 01:17:19,140
left. And all the names nights
out there

1246
01:17:19,170 --> 01:17:23,910
in the morning to our troll
room. Yeah, hello, trolls. The

1247
01:17:23,940 --> 01:17:26,610
nothing but stupid comments
during that presentation, very

1248
01:17:26,610 --> 01:17:29,730
demotivating. But thank you very
much and no agenda stream.com

1249
01:17:29,730 --> 01:17:31,740
shouldn't be looking at the
troll room where you're giving a

1250
01:17:31,740 --> 01:17:33,240
presentation like that. It's
interesting.

1251
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:37,020
You say that I have noticed? I
don't really

1252
01:17:37,050 --> 01:17:41,580
by the way postop you and does
troll room. And I will say

1253
01:17:41,580 --> 01:17:45,780
horror, which is the same way.
It's just like the closed

1254
01:17:45,780 --> 01:17:46,440
captioning.

1255
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:50,010
I don't know what you mean by
that.

1256
01:17:50,099 --> 01:17:52,799
It just like an addiction is
something because you just need

1257
01:17:52,799 --> 01:17:54,749
this. These words up there?

1258
01:17:54,870 --> 01:18:00,450
No, actually, fuck you know,
I've I was I've had it written

1259
01:18:00,450 --> 01:18:05,940
down for a number of episodes to
bring this up. There is it's off

1260
01:18:05,940 --> 01:18:08,790
to the side. It's not my main
view. It's always scrolling.

1261
01:18:08,790 --> 01:18:12,630
It's a small terminal window.
And I always wonder why I pick

1262
01:18:12,630 --> 01:18:15,990
out certain one liners or
certain things. And I believe

1263
01:18:15,990 --> 01:18:20,280
what is happening is in my
peripheral view, I'm seeing this

1264
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:25,230
my brain has developed over the
course of a decade, develop some

1265
01:18:25,290 --> 01:18:29,190
mechanism to process in the
little little side thread

1266
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:33,120
processing what is being said
there. And it actually alerts my

1267
01:18:33,150 --> 01:18:35,790
active speaking brain to look
over there when there's

1268
01:18:35,790 --> 01:18:38,310
something that may be of
interest. That's what's

1269
01:18:38,310 --> 01:18:40,680
happening. I'm just smart.

1270
01:18:41,009 --> 01:18:45,179
If this is true, I would
recommend anybody in the troll

1271
01:18:45,179 --> 01:18:50,729
room to start selling Adams
stuff. Because it looks like

1272
01:18:50,729 --> 01:18:52,919
he's open for subliminal
suggestion. That's

1273
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:56,160
exactly what it is. In the
morning to Adam at sea, the

1274
01:18:56,160 --> 01:19:00,990
artist who brought us the
artwork for episode 1156 title

1275
01:19:00,990 --> 01:19:04,800
of that was befuddle now we
chose an evergreen for this and

1276
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:11,550
I got a really pissed off Bunsen
a bunch of messages. Since we

1277
01:19:11,550 --> 01:19:14,550
artists, yes, I got it. I'll
tell you exactly who it was

1278
01:19:14,550 --> 01:19:23,070
from. The artist is Hold on. Net
Ned. And this was actually my

1279
01:19:23,070 --> 01:19:27,420
favorite piece, which was the
Charlie's Angels as the squad.

1280
01:19:28,170 --> 01:19:31,710
And he was yelling and
screaming. Well, you're never

1281
01:19:31,710 --> 01:19:35,490
gonna do art anymore. This is so
hobbyist. This is the best one.

1282
01:19:35,580 --> 01:19:41,130
And you guys chosen that piece
of shit. And I said, Well, this

1283
01:19:41,130 --> 01:19:42,480
is a passionate you know,

1284
01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:45,390
he's very passionate. I said
it's interesting because that

1285
01:19:45,390 --> 01:19:48,750
was my favorite piece. And you
know, it was I agree with that.

1286
01:19:48,750 --> 01:19:53,070
We both have veto. And you said
no, I've seen it on the end M

1287
01:19:53,070 --> 01:19:56,370
five M news. And you you didn't
you thought it was you didn't

1288
01:19:56,370 --> 01:19:59,670
like it anyway, but you said you
would seen it somewhere else and

1289
01:19:59,670 --> 01:20:02,580
so you've vetoed it. And I was
like, Okay, I

1290
01:20:02,580 --> 01:20:05,160
haven't seen that specific
piece, but I saw them the

1291
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:05,910
reference to

1292
01:20:06,810 --> 01:20:09,540
the reference. Yeah, the
reference. Well, he was very

1293
01:20:10,170 --> 01:20:12,000
corny, to be honest about it.

1294
01:20:13,889 --> 01:20:16,979
Well, just letting them know
what the process

1295
01:20:16,980 --> 01:20:20,370
is. So at least I also don't
like the idea of equate. Here's,

1296
01:20:20,460 --> 01:20:23,040
here's my final rationale. And
I'll see if he's, if he's

1297
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:27,240
interested, because we do have
to rationalize what we pick. And

1298
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:31,740
the two of us being the art
critics that we are. I didn't

1299
01:20:31,740 --> 01:20:36,510
think it was, it was correct to
glorify this group of four in

1300
01:20:36,510 --> 01:20:39,990
that way. I thought it was a
glorification piece. I didn't

1301
01:20:39,990 --> 01:20:41,790
think it was appropriate. Well,
you

1302
01:20:41,790 --> 01:20:43,620
didn't say that as such.

1303
01:20:43,650 --> 01:20:46,950
I did, too. I did. I remember, I
thought

1304
01:20:46,950 --> 01:20:49,440
you said you didn't like it for
a number of reasons that maybe

1305
01:20:49,440 --> 01:20:49,530
you

1306
01:20:49,530 --> 01:20:53,190
said, was one of the reasons
they were already. Great. You're

1307
01:20:53,190 --> 01:20:55,470
already looking at evergreens.
By the time I came up with that.

1308
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:58,680
It was a glorification piece
that was unnecessary and

1309
01:20:59,010 --> 01:20:59,640
improper.

1310
01:20:59,670 --> 01:21:03,000
So I mean, and we look at these
things, whenever you want to put

1311
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:07,080
a person in the artwork, we're
going to be hypercritical. So

1312
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:11,220
you know, having AOC it may be a
funny joke to put a little Mensa

1313
01:21:11,220 --> 01:21:14,610
label there. But that's not
artwork that I want to click on.

1314
01:21:15,420 --> 01:21:17,910
I don't want to click on her.
And just the whole idea is to

1315
01:21:17,910 --> 01:21:21,810
get someone to click on it. So
when you when you vilify people

1316
01:21:21,930 --> 01:21:25,980
down, there's a really a 5050
chance it's not even, you know,

1317
01:21:26,010 --> 01:21:27,360
it's just the way it is.

1318
01:21:27,660 --> 01:21:30,450
Yeah, you're asking for trouble.
Well, it could be unless you

1319
01:21:30,450 --> 01:21:33,480
make us laugh out loud. I mean,
there was a one instance I still

1320
01:21:33,480 --> 01:21:37,590
remember is the George Bush I
think is was done by Nick or, or

1321
01:21:37,620 --> 01:21:42,630
Martin JJ one of them. Were
George Bush had those big coke

1322
01:21:42,630 --> 01:21:46,440
bottle glasses on in the huge
eyeballs. And that was all the

1323
01:21:46,440 --> 01:21:51,330
art was. But when you looked at
it, you're cracked up. Right?

1324
01:21:51,330 --> 01:21:54,750
Yeah. So we picked it that's the
one that got comic strip

1325
01:21:54,750 --> 01:21:56,280
blogroll bent out of shape,

1326
01:21:56,310 --> 01:22:00,090
right. Also, you know, a lot of
if you're there's a lot of kind

1327
01:22:00,090 --> 01:22:01,650
of like mainstream jokes,

1328
01:22:01,650 --> 01:22:04,590
you have to manage artists.
Imagine this nightmare.

1329
01:22:05,430 --> 01:22:09,480
Hey, that's your beat. As far as
I'm concerned. Managing the

1330
01:22:09,480 --> 01:22:10,350
artists you deserve

1331
01:22:10,380 --> 01:22:13,200
always been a nightmare for
anybody who's worked in, you

1332
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:14,700
know, as with an art director,

1333
01:22:14,730 --> 01:22:17,520
well, thank you very much Adam
at sea and all of the artists

1334
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:21,450
who always participate or not,
it's okay. It's totally

1335
01:22:21,450 --> 01:22:24,930
understood and I get it. It's a
you spend a lot of time you

1336
01:22:24,930 --> 01:22:27,900
don't get chosen. It sucks. No
agenda are generated.com

1337
01:22:27,900 --> 01:22:31,740
that piece with Charlie's Angels
thing was there was some effort

1338
01:22:31,740 --> 01:22:33,570
put into it. It wasn't like a
toss away.

1339
01:22:33,599 --> 01:22:38,069
No, it wasn't at all. But it was
irked Of course he was irked

1340
01:22:38,729 --> 01:22:42,269
just wanted to make sure voice
was heard. Anyway, I made sure

1341
01:22:42,269 --> 01:22:45,029
that he hates you now and not
both of us are me. So

1342
01:22:45,090 --> 01:22:49,170
yeah, I'm the I'm I'm the one
responsible for vetoing that.

1343
01:22:49,290 --> 01:22:50,010
That particular

1344
01:22:50,010 --> 01:22:53,160
piece. Yeah. Anyway, we
appreciate the work that all of

1345
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:56,700
our artists do. And we also
really survived by our executive

1346
01:22:56,700 --> 01:22:59,400
producers Associate Executive
Bruce's and all producers who

1347
01:22:59,670 --> 01:23:02,880
support us financially. And we
like thanking those the top

1348
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:05,460
category as quickly as we can,
even though we're a little

1349
01:23:05,460 --> 01:23:08,910
behind today in the show. So
let's see who we have on today's

1350
01:23:08,910 --> 01:23:09,420
list.

1351
01:23:10,710 --> 01:23:12,990
Well, at the top of the list is
our buddy Serrana Miss of

1352
01:23:12,990 --> 01:23:17,190
Dogpatch and Laura Sylvia this
this is monthly Yeah, I believe

1353
01:23:17,190 --> 01:23:21,390
so this is a you know, various
endeavors is never the same $900

1354
01:23:21,390 --> 01:23:21,930
is some sort of,

1355
01:23:23,130 --> 01:23:25,290
we're gonna figure this out one
of these days, we

1356
01:23:25,290 --> 01:23:28,740
never it's, it's a long arc. So
it's gonna maybe it's a code

1357
01:23:28,740 --> 01:23:29,820
for somebody else.

1358
01:23:31,890 --> 01:23:34,320
Thank you to all the producers
for their continued support of

1359
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:38,610
this show. I would also like to
thank your respective spouses

1360
01:23:38,610 --> 01:23:42,270
for their support and tolerance
of your work demands. This year

1361
01:23:42,270 --> 01:23:45,450
alone you have worked on
national holidays on vacations

1362
01:23:45,450 --> 01:23:49,680
and wild traveling. Right Mimi
and Tina thank you both for your

1363
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:53,130
sharing your spouse's the for
the sharing of your spouses and

1364
01:23:53,130 --> 01:23:57,960
what would otherwise in what
would otherwise be your time.

1365
01:23:58,530 --> 01:24:00,780
That sort of personal
experience. Having a spouse that

1366
01:24:00,780 --> 01:24:04,170
is both socially and politically
engaged provides insight you

1367
01:24:04,170 --> 01:24:09,780
cannot achieve independently.
Non donors Attention, please

1368
01:24:09,810 --> 01:24:14,010
send some money or the show goes
the way of Alfred E. Newman.

1369
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,190
It may take 30 years but one
day,

1370
01:24:18,180 --> 01:24:20,550
the growing number and
sophistication of moneyed

1371
01:24:20,550 --> 01:24:24,000
organizations using all media
outlets to sway opinion is

1372
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:27,810
lucrative to the creators of the
propaganda and we need to

1373
01:24:27,810 --> 01:24:31,800
support those that help us see
through their agenda with no

1374
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:38,190
agenda. previous wars were over
physical territory now

1375
01:24:38,220 --> 01:24:42,450
advertisers of all kinds
including ideologues use M five

1376
01:24:42,450 --> 01:24:46,140
M and the social media wars to
win the territory of your mind

1377
01:24:46,440 --> 01:24:50,640
using the old saying generals
always fight the last war. So

1378
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:55,110
politicians is social media
fight the last internet or it is

1379
01:24:55,110 --> 01:24:58,260
the war of ideas with growing
expertise to win more minds

1380
01:24:58,260 --> 01:25:00,750
giving the power to influence
culture. Your society and

1381
01:25:00,750 --> 01:25:05,640
politics. It is more infectious
than measles. deconstruction is

1382
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:09,420
the best vaccine. Well not as
financially lucrative. It

1383
01:25:09,420 --> 01:25:14,640
vaccinates the participants.
Again, listeners donate Wow,

1384
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:17,340
it's all victims of our own life
experiences. Thank you for

1385
01:25:17,340 --> 01:25:18,360
sharing yours.

1386
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:22,920
Wow. Serrana mess of lower
slobodian of Dogpatch and lower

1387
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:26,760
Slobo via thank you that's one
of his most succinct calls to

1388
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:27,150
action

1389
01:25:27,150 --> 01:25:31,530
have heard. Yeah, maybe
reproducible and, and I think we

1390
01:25:31,530 --> 01:25:37,350
kind of prove that in our our
search engine bias. conversation

1391
01:25:37,350 --> 01:25:41,700
that is a war and you're losing
we're all losing we are losing.

1392
01:25:43,020 --> 01:25:44,130
Losing big time.

1393
01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:47,370
I'm gonna I'm gonna give him a
car. He never asked for it. Oh,

1394
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:47,580
yeah,

1395
01:25:47,580 --> 01:25:48,960
he never does give him one yet.

1396
01:25:49,110 --> 01:25:54,120
I think that would be
appropriate. You've got karma

1397
01:25:57,480 --> 01:26:02,310
may not want what he doesn't
have to take it. Or in this cell

1398
01:26:02,310 --> 01:26:09,810
Miss Celmins Celmins. Yeah.
Celmins CL mi ns 33333 jobs.

1399
01:26:09,810 --> 01:26:16,170
Karma is appreciated. Jobs.
Jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote

1400
01:26:16,170 --> 01:26:24,360
for jobs. Karma E.

1401
01:26:25,710 --> 01:26:29,550
P? Yeah. Yeah, it looks right. I
think it's Estonia.

1402
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:34,620
Okay, now per domain. Check it
out. Somebody out there. Top

1403
01:26:34,620 --> 01:26:44,010
Level Domain is E, dystonia.
3:33am came in with Rena $33.33

1404
01:26:44,790 --> 01:26:51,990
And his name is 33333 hours and
33 minutes Am I would like to

1405
01:26:51,990 --> 01:26:54,780
keep my name and location
anonymous. Okay, but feel free

1406
01:26:54,780 --> 01:26:58,530
to call me 3:33am. Last year
when I donate I asked for some

1407
01:26:58,530 --> 01:27:03,570
baby making karma. Karma were
works by incoming in the

1408
01:27:03,570 --> 01:27:06,630
interest of helping others who
are struggling to conceive. I'll

1409
01:27:06,630 --> 01:27:12,240
share what we did. First is a
step by step. How to have a

1410
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:12,510
baby,

1411
01:27:12,810 --> 01:27:14,850
baby. Should I be taking notes
here or

1412
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:19,860
number one? Yeah, donate to no
agenda.

1413
01:27:21,750 --> 01:27:23,400
It's all it always helps can't
hurt.

1414
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:28,260
Next, as John anatomy can no
doubt attest, all women are

1415
01:27:28,260 --> 01:27:32,460
different. But medicine tends to
assume all women are the same.

1416
01:27:32,820 --> 01:27:36,480
At least in reproduction terms.
My wife started using the

1417
01:27:36,480 --> 01:27:40,110
Creighton model fertility care
system, which tracks your normal

1418
01:27:40,110 --> 01:27:42,930
biological markers. The goal of
this system is to know when baby

1419
01:27:42,930 --> 01:27:47,250
making is most likely and to see
if there are other issues. From

1420
01:27:47,250 --> 01:27:51,540
this tracking, we discovered my
wife had luteal phase defect.

1421
01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:55,290
And this was confirmed by blood
tests. Well not uncommon. Some

1422
01:27:55,290 --> 01:27:59,670
women have short cycles and low
progesterone. For those that

1423
01:27:59,670 --> 01:28:03,150
don't know progesterone is the
chemical in the body that

1424
01:28:03,150 --> 01:28:06,840
maintains the pregnancy after it
started. It's also used as a

1425
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:10,680
birth control mechanism. So
between Cara the Creighton model

1426
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:13,710
to know when baby making is most
likely to be successful in

1427
01:28:13,710 --> 01:28:18,030
progesterone supplement to keep
the pregnancy going. We are

1428
01:28:18,030 --> 01:28:22,080
expecting a child at the end of
this year. All right. Hashtag

1429
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:25,620
winning. This has been a long
time coming and if I can help

1430
01:28:25,650 --> 01:28:28,620
others struggling to have a
child and I hope this note does

1431
01:28:28,620 --> 01:28:31,680
that. I want to say it was great
meeting Adam and the keeper to

1432
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:36,630
Des Moines, Iowa meet up for
clips. I would like it it's true

1433
01:28:36,660 --> 01:28:42,420
respect. And at the end of the
day, some triple or quadruple

1434
01:28:42,420 --> 01:28:46,830
strength relationship karma, if
you got it for Scott of The tall

1435
01:28:46,830 --> 01:28:51,000
corn who hit me in the mouth and
who has been on a long dry spell

1436
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:55,350
if you know what I mean. Thanks
for all you do. 3:33am

1437
01:28:55,470 --> 01:29:01,140
and I want to mention something
last night, the keeper and I

1438
01:29:01,170 --> 01:29:05,910
went to Celeste barber she had a
show here in Austin at the

1439
01:29:05,910 --> 01:29:10,170
Paramount actually was pretty
packed. You probably never heard

1440
01:29:10,170 --> 01:29:12,480
of Celeste barber I wouldn't
have heard of her either.

1441
01:29:12,480 --> 01:29:16,770
Norwood Tina. She has something
on Instagram which I don't look

1442
01:29:16,770 --> 01:29:21,690
at But Tina follows her which is
the Celeste barber challenge.

1443
01:29:21,930 --> 01:29:25,440
And she's from Australia and
she's a good looking woman but

1444
01:29:25,440 --> 01:29:29,580
she's not not a model if I can
if that explains what I'm

1445
01:29:29,580 --> 01:29:33,810
talking about. And so you know a
model will be doing something

1446
01:29:33,930 --> 01:29:37,500
gracious you know getting out a
Kate Upton actually slipping out

1447
01:29:37,500 --> 01:29:41,280
of a pool with her breasts
protruding and the water just

1448
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:44,370
slipping off her svelte body.
And then she'll post a picture

1449
01:29:44,370 --> 01:29:47,130
of that and have her do it out
of her doing the same thing,

1450
01:29:47,310 --> 01:29:52,260
which of course, is hilarious.
And so this was really a comedy

1451
01:29:52,260 --> 01:29:57,060
show, probably more for women
than anything. But I learned a

1452
01:29:57,060 --> 01:30:01,950
lot of things about giving
birth. and being pregnant that I

1453
01:30:01,950 --> 01:30:06,690
never knew about. And if you if
your wife is expecting see if

1454
01:30:06,690 --> 01:30:09,690
you can catch a Celeste barber
show you will be both horrified

1455
01:30:09,690 --> 01:30:13,950
and informed. There's a lot of
things we as guys don't know and

1456
01:30:13,950 --> 01:30:18,000
it's probably it might have been
better we didn't keep it that

1457
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:18,210
way

1458
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:25,590
ESP IICT

1459
01:30:26,220 --> 01:30:28,740
but at the end of the day
they're backing you know they're

1460
01:30:28,740 --> 01:30:33,060
backing come on at the end of
the day. At the end of the day,

1461
01:30:33,060 --> 01:30:38,370
John if someone wants to get
anyone they can get at the end

1462
01:30:38,370 --> 01:30:40,380
of the day you've got karma

1463
01:30:44,490 --> 01:30:47,040
onward Associate Executive
Producer starting with Abel

1464
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:54,330
Kirby Abel Kirby aka shout outs
to local 719 for great meetup

1465
01:30:54,330 --> 01:30:57,180
Colorado just to get US

1466
01:30:57,210 --> 01:31:00,810
Department of Transportation for
allowing the negative mind

1467
01:31:00,990 --> 01:31:02,160
building practice

1468
01:31:02,250 --> 01:31:05,460
right negligent building
practices resulted in a collapse

1469
01:31:05,460 --> 01:31:10,170
section of a highway on us 36 Oh
wow. Sewer chat, but I'm not

1470
01:31:10,170 --> 01:31:10,920
sure why.

1471
01:31:11,310 --> 01:31:12,630
That's Nick the rats sewer.

1472
01:31:13,980 --> 01:31:15,120
Super Chat. Yeah,

1473
01:31:15,269 --> 01:31:17,999
everybody loves a little Super
Chat. I want some karma for

1474
01:31:17,999 --> 01:31:21,239
that. You've got karma.

1475
01:31:23,550 --> 01:31:28,560
In Toronto, we've got Carolyn
Blaney. Dame Carolyn, she's

1476
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:34,080
gonna be Dame anyway. Toronto to
a 333 and she's got her Dame

1477
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:38,880
hood coming up. Please say hogs
story mofos and play the

1478
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:42,600
Reverend l resist we much
parallel universe jingle and a

1479
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:46,560
full version of we don't there
is no parallel universe jingle

1480
01:31:46,590 --> 01:31:48,180
we have the transition machine.

1481
01:31:49,230 --> 01:31:52,140
But then we have to go into the
parallel universe which is not

1482
01:31:52,140 --> 01:31:55,980
really a jingle that may not be
usable. And the full version of

1483
01:31:55,980 --> 01:31:57,990
slash n well we could do that
the end

1484
01:31:58,019 --> 01:32:00,629
what is what is slash n and what
is slash n?

1485
01:32:01,169 --> 01:32:05,519
I don't know. Anyway whatever it
is that she's confusing us with

1486
01:32:05,819 --> 01:32:11,369
this donation brings her to Dame
hood as she requests she needs

1487
01:32:11,369 --> 01:32:13,949
some new stuff to get your
pencil out she requests extra

1488
01:32:13,949 --> 01:32:20,579
coffee and a hot sauce at the
roundtable Okay. Got it Carolyn

1489
01:32:20,579 --> 01:32:26,399
of Hogtown do we get these
Toronto dame's you know, couple

1490
01:32:26,399 --> 01:32:29,939
of them now. Fun fact Toronto
was often referred to as hog

1491
01:32:29,939 --> 01:32:33,209
town in the 1890s That's why she
wants to be named Carolyn of hog

1492
01:32:33,209 --> 01:32:36,449
town. Because the meatpacking
was one of the city's main

1493
01:32:36,449 --> 01:32:39,449
industries at the time was
Chicago like that's interesting

1494
01:32:39,449 --> 01:32:44,309
because that was Chicago's main
industry for years. In fact,

1495
01:32:44,309 --> 01:32:46,289
when I was a little kid I
remember there's there were

1496
01:32:46,289 --> 01:32:51,179
still major meatpacking town I
went in on the California Zephyr

1497
01:32:51,179 --> 01:32:55,199
and you go right through these
giant curds of animals.

1498
01:32:55,710 --> 01:32:59,370
So what could the slash and full
jingle of it mean divorce?

1499
01:32:59,370 --> 01:33:01,230
act.org/in a

1500
01:33:01,260 --> 01:33:05,370
maybe? No, no, no. Slash and it
says specifically slash

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01:33:05,490 --> 01:33:10,680
IE and I haven't I have no idea.
Well, why don't we do a Karma

1502
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:14,130
we'll do the we'll do a sharpen
resist and maybe someone can let

1503
01:33:14,130 --> 01:33:16,110
me know what she's talking
about. Resist.

1504
01:33:16,290 --> 01:33:23,940
We must. We must. And we will
much about that. Be committed.

1505
01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:26,040
You've got karma

1506
01:33:29,910 --> 01:33:41,040
Simon blood, blood. Lipids.
Lipids iski $200.02. Great show

1507
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:44,100
last Thursday. John and Adam
love them Thursdays. Keep it

1508
01:33:44,100 --> 01:33:48,330
short. I'm beginning becoming a
night today. It's cool. I'll

1509
01:33:48,330 --> 01:33:52,110
tell everyone in Spanish. If I
can request a jingle please have

1510
01:33:52,470 --> 01:33:54,570
Bill Clinton who can do the most

1511
01:33:54,630 --> 01:33:58,590
again. What is the I don't
recall any jingle who can do the

1512
01:33:58,590 --> 01:33:59,250
most

1513
01:34:00,660 --> 01:34:02,730
it says an oldie Yeah, well

1514
01:34:02,730 --> 01:34:03,720
it's I don't know how

1515
01:34:03,990 --> 01:34:06,660
Hillary barking you got the
Hillary got the barking? Yeah,

1516
01:34:06,660 --> 01:34:12,750
sure. If too hard to pull, which
it is I'll settle for John

1517
01:34:12,750 --> 01:34:17,910
during the foamer that's not me.
Thanks John for the night table

1518
01:34:17,910 --> 01:34:21,660
if any left pot and vinegar for
the nights Can you put pot and

1519
01:34:21,660 --> 01:34:25,830
vinegar on the list of pot and
vinegar added to the list for

1520
01:34:25,830 --> 01:34:28,320
the Knights and Dames out there
I would like to be known as Sir

1521
01:34:28,650 --> 01:34:35,670
Veeck P E C night. Two nights
zero servic night

1522
01:34:36,990 --> 01:34:41,220
servio valgum ah sir V ignites I
get it.

1523
01:34:41,639 --> 01:34:44,849
Love and Light and such pew pew.
That's true.

1524
01:34:45,330 --> 01:34:50,940
That's pew Oh, he wants it does
he want those jingles? I mean,

1525
01:34:50,970 --> 01:34:57,540
please, if you're gonna do
jingles then give us the list

1526
01:34:57,540 --> 01:34:57,750
and

1527
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:01,860
grow To get the guys in need,
you should be nice.

1528
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:06,420
Gross, gross before he becomes a
knight. I just, you know, as I

1529
01:35:06,420 --> 01:35:09,720
prepare these things and have
everything ready and then I get

1530
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:10,740
all these curveballs

1531
01:35:12,870 --> 01:35:21,900
oh my god you've got Parma

1532
01:35:24,630 --> 01:35:27,900
you did it fine. And that would
be our last of our Associate

1533
01:35:27,900 --> 01:35:32,490
Executive producers for show
1157 Heinz 57 We got

1534
01:35:34,260 --> 01:35:38,100
Wow, did we get an extra little
thing in our paycheck for that

1535
01:35:38,100 --> 01:35:38,460
one?

1536
01:35:38,910 --> 01:35:42,990
Good thing Heinz 50 Cake line
signs

1537
01:35:42,990 --> 01:35:46,740
5737.

1538
01:35:47,190 --> 01:35:49,830
So don't want to thank all these
folks that makes the show

1539
01:35:49,830 --> 01:35:52,980
possible. We want to and
especially on Sundays or

1540
01:35:53,010 --> 01:35:55,470
donations are not usually that
great.

1541
01:35:55,770 --> 01:35:59,010
And these are official credits
you producers and executive or

1542
01:35:59,010 --> 01:36:01,530
executive producers and
Associate Executive producers.

1543
01:36:03,030 --> 01:36:05,910
These things are valuable. I
know Serrana must have Dogpatch

1544
01:36:05,910 --> 01:36:09,540
may not use them for whatever
reasons he has. But everyone

1545
01:36:09,540 --> 01:36:12,570
else I'd suggest you put them on
your LinkedIn you can put them

1546
01:36:12,570 --> 01:36:16,350
anywhere where it apparently it
trips algos, when you're looking

1547
01:36:16,350 --> 01:36:20,430
for a job. There you go. Support
us for our Thursday show go to

1548
01:36:20,430 --> 01:36:23,430
vorak.org/n

1549
01:36:23,490 --> 01:36:26,100
a well now you know all about
that you know all about the

1550
01:36:26,100 --> 01:36:28,410
algos until you go out there and
propagate it.

1551
01:36:28,530 --> 01:36:33,210
Our formula is this. We go out
for yet people in the mouth.

1552
01:36:48,630 --> 01:36:53,700
Kouga so I've been putting a lot
of notes on Twitter, demanding

1553
01:36:53,700 --> 01:36:56,160
that they start putting Hillary
on these polls.

1554
01:36:56,580 --> 01:37:01,050
Yes. You are now in the Democrat
Hall of Fame. I believe that

1555
01:37:01,050 --> 01:37:02,820
people really love you trying to
bring her in.

1556
01:37:03,570 --> 01:37:09,750
I think she'd be all you knows
no guru. They don't want her

1557
01:37:09,780 --> 01:37:12,990
that's probably a true maybe
it's not true. All I know is

1558
01:37:12,990 --> 01:37:15,150
that if you're going to start
doing these comparisons about

1559
01:37:15,150 --> 01:37:17,730
who can be tropical, who's gonna
get the most votes and who can

1560
01:37:17,730 --> 01:37:21,660
get the nomination? Why isn't
she on there? Just as a test.

1561
01:37:21,660 --> 01:37:25,050
I'm with Biden was on there
before he ever declared to run.

1562
01:37:25,080 --> 01:37:30,840
I'm with you. I'm with you.
Okay, so the reason would be

1563
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:35,940
they hate her that even with
Google's biased algorithm in her

1564
01:37:35,940 --> 01:37:41,040
favor, she still lost. would
these be the reasons? They don't

1565
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:42,030
want to do something?

1566
01:37:42,060 --> 01:37:46,590
It happened somewhere? Let you
know. Here's what my thinking is

1567
01:37:46,590 --> 01:37:50,160
because I've been trying to
figure this out myself. I think

1568
01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:54,180
that Hillary was not a good
candidate, because she really

1569
01:37:54,180 --> 01:37:59,280
didn't she she just thought she
was gonna waltz in. And she did.

1570
01:37:59,310 --> 01:38:02,430
They are no effort. She had her
same cronies running the

1571
01:38:02,430 --> 01:38:07,200
campaign that they were doing
that last Obama. They're lazy

1572
01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:10,950
campaigners. And they didn't
really do a very good job of it.

1573
01:38:10,980 --> 01:38:14,670
Because she because they already
talked themselves into believing

1574
01:38:14,670 --> 01:38:18,060
like the Democrats. Do. They
talk themselves into believing

1575
01:38:18,060 --> 01:38:20,910
that they're gonna run against
some bonehead this Trump guy's

1576
01:38:20,910 --> 01:38:21,780
job on fact,

1577
01:38:21,780 --> 01:38:25,650
they wanted him Why can't they
wanted him to be candidates

1578
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:28,020
like, Oh, please don't be so
great. We need him to be

1579
01:38:28,020 --> 01:38:29,910
candidate. It'll be so easy. The

1580
01:38:29,910 --> 01:38:32,730
media was all in on that. So
they kept on I will say it

1581
01:38:32,940 --> 01:38:37,710
again. According to reports,
because I don't know the media

1582
01:38:37,710 --> 01:38:43,590
won't cover Bernie is that I
less likely to blame Schultz for

1583
01:38:43,590 --> 01:38:47,250
the screw up with Bernie or you
know, putting Bernie on the side

1584
01:38:47,490 --> 01:38:51,120
than I am the media. The media
would cover every giant Trump

1585
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:54,330
rally. There were 25,000 people
at a Trump rally, let's say an

1586
01:38:54,330 --> 01:38:58,980
average. And there was 50 People
100 People 200 People at a

1587
01:38:58,980 --> 01:39:04,170
Hillary rally and 25,000 or more
at a Bernie rally. They would

1588
01:39:04,170 --> 01:39:08,760
not cover the Bernie rally so
and they're still not covering I

1589
01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:12,210
understand I not don't know for
a fact because I know media is

1590
01:39:12,210 --> 01:39:15,240
not covering it. But I heard
there was a one Bernie rally

1591
01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:17,700
recently with 50,000 people
attending I wouldn't

1592
01:39:17,700 --> 01:39:20,550
surprise me this is this has
been very consistent with his

1593
01:39:20,550 --> 01:39:24,210
campaigning. But of course he's
not really a Democrat and they

1594
01:39:24,210 --> 01:39:27,870
all know it that's why he just
he just leeching off our ticket

1595
01:39:27,870 --> 01:39:29,550
like a good socialist would do I
think

1596
01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:33,660
there's an element of that he's
not a Democrat is an independent

1597
01:39:34,770 --> 01:39:38,310
so now I corns in at the end I
can see them not wanting him you

1598
01:39:38,310 --> 01:39:40,920
know, that guy's not even a
Democrat as an independent. You

1599
01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:45,240
just using us, you know, using
us he's, he's a US user. He's

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01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:46,440
socialist user.

1601
01:39:47,580 --> 01:39:49,170
Socialist user has.

1602
01:39:49,680 --> 01:39:54,270
That's what he is. That's what
he is. Okay, so

1603
01:39:54,270 --> 01:39:59,430
I just want to see I just want
just put Hillary on a pole. I

1604
01:39:59,430 --> 01:40:00,810
mean by You know, when those
polls

1605
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:05,430
Double L not and not le Yeah, I
got hit on a sticker on.

1606
01:40:06,030 --> 01:40:07,560
It was she? She does.

1607
01:40:09,330 --> 01:40:14,700
I love the story that Bernie's
campaign workers who have a

1608
01:40:14,700 --> 01:40:20,790
union are thinking of striking
because he's not paying him $15

1609
01:40:20,790 --> 01:40:25,230
an hour, which is what he's the
very proposal he's making. For

1610
01:40:25,230 --> 01:40:28,050
the rest of the country. Yes.
Oh, it's fant. Oh, crap. I

1611
01:40:28,050 --> 01:40:30,390
thought for sure you would have
had something about that. Oh, I

1612
01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:33,570
missed this. Oh, this is great.
Yeah, they're all saying, Hey,

1613
01:40:33,630 --> 01:40:37,350
we work in 60 or 70 hours. You
know, we're making the

1614
01:40:37,350 --> 01:40:41,580
equivalent of about 1350. So you
got to up it for us, you know,

1615
01:40:41,580 --> 01:40:45,690
we need to have 15 $15. Now or
this is what you're proposing

1616
01:40:45,810 --> 01:40:49,920
here. Labor fight Royals, Bernie
Sanders campaign, as workers

1617
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:53,640
demand the $15 hourly pay the
candidate has proposed for

1618
01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:55,500
employees nationwide.

1619
01:40:57,930 --> 01:41:01,260
Well, you know, Bernie, Bernie,
when they busted him last go

1620
01:41:01,260 --> 01:41:04,800
around when he was like, there
was some sexism or some crap in

1621
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:07,440
the campaign. They throw it at
him at the end. I said, what

1622
01:41:07,440 --> 01:41:10,350
what about this? And what about
that? Bernie is really good at

1623
01:41:10,350 --> 01:41:13,770
deflecting this stuff. Oh, come
out and say, I didn't know about

1624
01:41:13,770 --> 01:41:18,900
it. Make a big stink about it.
And then you said, Well, I will

1625
01:41:18,900 --> 01:41:19,590
look into it.

1626
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:24,090
May I just say, You're Bernie's
pretty good

1627
01:41:24,690 --> 01:41:32,010
to get in there. Horowitz has
got it nailed. Interesting. So

1628
01:41:33,570 --> 01:41:35,670
let's see if i Hey, all right.
So you got a few of these going.

1629
01:41:35,670 --> 01:41:40,620
There's a I got a weird gaff the
Judy had a gaff on PBS. That was

1630
01:41:40,620 --> 01:41:42,630
kind of odd.

1631
01:41:42,990 --> 01:41:44,760
Okay, can we go straight to it?

1632
01:41:45,150 --> 01:41:48,030
Yeah. And that's on health care.
Bernie Sanders is out there

1633
01:41:48,030 --> 01:41:52,170
saying, let's move to single
payer doubling down on that

1634
01:41:52,170 --> 01:41:55,080
saying that's the way we take
care of all Americans. But you

1635
01:41:55,080 --> 01:41:59,400
have Al Gore doubling down on
Obamacare. What does this add up

1636
01:41:59,400 --> 01:41:59,820
to?

1637
01:41:59,849 --> 01:42:04,649
Yeah, I mean, the Joe Biden was
What did I say? I said Al Gore.

1638
01:42:05,699 --> 01:42:08,279
He made the debate stage.

1639
01:42:09,270 --> 01:42:12,180
Overshadowed, but not that much.
Joe Biden, Joe Biden.

1640
01:42:13,170 --> 01:42:14,880
What was going on in her head?

1641
01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:19,380
I was thinking the same thing. I
mean, you can make all kinds of

1642
01:42:19,380 --> 01:42:21,840
different mistakes, but Al Gore,

1643
01:42:22,500 --> 01:42:26,880
she was probably first thinking
of VP Yeah, because Biden was

1644
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:31,410
vice president. And then she
probably thought of some dick.

1645
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:37,830
Oh, yeah. Must have been I don't
know something weird. Strange,

1646
01:42:37,830 --> 01:42:38,040
just

1647
01:42:39,330 --> 01:42:40,710
very peculiar. That

1648
01:42:40,710 --> 01:42:44,820
is kind of odd. It's very odd.
Well, at least someone caught up

1649
01:42:44,820 --> 01:42:47,430
call her out on it. She that
doesn't even happen that often

1650
01:42:47,430 --> 01:42:48,000
anymore.

1651
01:42:48,630 --> 01:42:52,350
No, usually they just keeps
going. Now there's a story that

1652
01:42:52,350 --> 01:42:55,170
was on democracy that worked
I've said this before democracy

1653
01:42:55,170 --> 01:43:03,030
now is not a great news outlet
but but it occasionally they do

1654
01:43:03,030 --> 01:43:05,880
stories that nobody else
touches. I agree

1655
01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:08,130
with that. That doesn't mean
that they're good or they're

1656
01:43:08,160 --> 01:43:09,600
correct. They do them

1657
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:12,270
but they at least I mean that
that you have to give them

1658
01:43:12,270 --> 01:43:14,130
credit for In fact, that's one
of the reasons I'm always

1659
01:43:14,130 --> 01:43:18,060
compelled to listen to the show.
A lot of it's eye rolling a lot

1660
01:43:18,060 --> 01:43:20,730
of it that they do they do the
association stories where they

1661
01:43:20,730 --> 01:43:23,430
talk about one thing and switch
to another to make you associate

1662
01:43:23,430 --> 01:43:27,030
I don't like that. I have an
example of that today. Okay, but

1663
01:43:27,030 --> 01:43:31,800
there's this one. And to be
honest about it. I don't

1664
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:34,470
remember the story at all. And
this is the story about

1665
01:43:34,470 --> 01:43:39,660
Katherine Gunn and only
democracy now covered it. It was

1666
01:43:39,660 --> 01:43:45,450
the she was a wish whistleblower
for GCHQ the British the British

1667
01:43:45,450 --> 01:43:49,260
the whistle on the first go
round did the British Intel arms

1668
01:43:50,130 --> 01:43:56,130
Yeah, they stands for Government
Communications Headquarters. And

1669
01:43:56,130 --> 01:44:04,680
it's na it's the in fantasy and
it's a of England. And she was a

1670
01:44:04,830 --> 01:44:07,920
worker there and she blew the
whistle on some bull crap that

1671
01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:11,850
was going on some black male,
which is what we'd say these

1672
01:44:11,850 --> 01:44:15,990
agencies are good for that was
going to happen and this is

1673
01:44:16,020 --> 01:44:19,500
before the Iraq War came up with
the idea well met weapons of

1674
01:44:19,500 --> 01:44:21,690
mass destruction, they were
gonna go in there first. And

1675
01:44:21,690 --> 01:44:24,330
they're going to use these
tricks a trick to get in there

1676
01:44:25,140 --> 01:44:27,780
without having to bullcrap the
public with their weapons of

1677
01:44:27,780 --> 01:44:33,300
mass destruction. And so her
story is just discussed on

1678
01:44:33,300 --> 01:44:35,880
Democracy Now because it was a
covered it and so let's listen

1679
01:44:35,880 --> 01:44:38,850
to this as a long clip as two
minutes little over two minutes.

1680
01:44:39,120 --> 01:44:41,070
Catherine Gunn story dn

1681
01:44:41,100 --> 01:44:43,740
has the British government says
it's identified the person who

1682
01:44:43,740 --> 01:44:46,650
leaked cables that forced out
the British ambassador to the

1683
01:44:46,650 --> 01:44:50,070
United States for calling
President Trump inept. We look

1684
01:44:50,070 --> 01:44:52,950
at the real life political
thriller of a British

1685
01:44:52,980 --> 01:44:57,240
intelligence specialist who
risked everything to blow the

1686
01:44:57,240 --> 01:45:01,590
whistle on us dirty strict on us
dirty tricks at the United

1687
01:45:01,590 --> 01:45:05,310
Nations in the lead up to the
Iraq invasion. In 2003,

1688
01:45:05,310 --> 01:45:07,830
Catherine Gunn was working for
Britain's Government

1689
01:45:07,830 --> 01:45:12,000
Communications Headquarters
known as GCHQ, the intelligence

1690
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:15,690
agency similar to the National
Security Agency here, when she

1691
01:45:15,690 --> 01:45:18,870
opened a top secret NSA
memorandum, the highly

1692
01:45:18,870 --> 01:45:21,810
confidential memo revealed the
United States was collaborating

1693
01:45:21,810 --> 01:45:24,660
with Britain and collecting
sensitive information on United

1694
01:45:24,660 --> 01:45:28,290
Nations Security Council members
in order to pressure them into

1695
01:45:28,290 --> 01:45:31,950
supporting the Iraq invasion.
Guided by her conscience,

1696
01:45:31,950 --> 01:45:35,310
Catherine Gunn defied her
government and leaked the memo

1697
01:45:35,310 --> 01:45:38,460
to the press setting off the
chain of events that jeopardized

1698
01:45:38,460 --> 01:45:42,090
her freedom, her safety, but
also opened the door to putting

1699
01:45:42,090 --> 01:45:46,710
the entire Iraq invasion on
trial. Acclaimed Pentagon Papers

1700
01:45:46,710 --> 01:45:49,170
whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg
described Catherine Gunn's

1701
01:45:49,170 --> 01:45:52,140
action as the most important and
courageous leak I have ever

1702
01:45:52,170 --> 01:45:55,950
seen. Dan Ellsberg said no one
else including myself has ever

1703
01:45:55,950 --> 01:45:58,590
done what Catherine Gutten did
tell secret truths of personal

1704
01:45:58,590 --> 01:46:03,180
risk before an imminent war in
time possibly to avert it. Well

1705
01:46:03,180 --> 01:46:06,390
now Catherine Gunn story is
being told in the new film

1706
01:46:06,570 --> 01:46:10,170
official secrets starring Keira
Knightley. At the time her

1707
01:46:10,170 --> 01:46:13,890
actions received very little
attention from journalists in

1708
01:46:13,890 --> 01:46:19,140
the United States. Unless call
democracy now. In 2004,

1709
01:46:19,170 --> 01:46:23,460
Democracy Now interviewed
Catherine gun. I asked her why

1710
01:46:23,460 --> 01:46:25,620
she decided to leak the memo.

1711
01:46:26,370 --> 01:46:32,850
When I saw this email, asking
GCHQ is help to bug the six

1712
01:46:32,850 --> 01:46:39,750
swing nations to get a vote for
for war with Iraq. I was very

1713
01:46:39,750 --> 01:46:43,950
angry at first and very saddened
that it had come to this. And

1714
01:46:43,950 --> 01:46:49,620
that despite all the talk from a
both Tony Blair and George Bush,

1715
01:46:49,950 --> 01:46:55,650
about how important it was to
get the UN on, on board and to

1716
01:46:55,860 --> 01:47:00,270
legitimize any kind of
aggression, that they were

1717
01:47:00,270 --> 01:47:06,210
actually going around it in such
low handed manner. So I decided

1718
01:47:06,210 --> 01:47:13,530
that the risk to my career was
minut compared to the upcoming

1719
01:47:13,530 --> 01:47:14,370
war in Iraq,

1720
01:47:14,940 --> 01:47:18,300
just for context, the Six
Nations that the

1721
01:47:19,050 --> 01:47:22,860
this in the next clip, oh, okay,
then I'll be quiet. Now, the

1722
01:47:22,860 --> 01:47:25,500
reason that the next clip is
they actually brought her on

1723
01:47:25,500 --> 01:47:29,400
again, she's on the show now.
And they're asking her about the

1724
01:47:29,400 --> 01:47:32,100
Six Nations in this and they
have the director of the movie

1725
01:47:32,100 --> 01:47:34,080
there, and a whole bunch of
other people. It's actually a

1726
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:37,890
big group, and she's there. And
a couple of things, I find it

1727
01:47:37,890 --> 01:47:42,420
fascinating, which is one is
that, and we've discussed this

1728
01:47:42,420 --> 01:47:45,600
on the show, and this is
discussed and a couple of new

1729
01:47:45,690 --> 01:47:53,130
items being developed. whereby
it turns out that the CIA has at

1730
01:47:53,130 --> 01:47:59,070
least one or maybe two people in
every major news outlet in the

1731
01:47:59,070 --> 01:48:03,240
country. And they put a stop to
this sort of thing so that's why

1732
01:48:03,240 --> 01:48:06,630
the story was never discussed in
the American media. It just was

1733
01:48:06,630 --> 01:48:11,580
killed he's bragging about
democracy now did because

1734
01:48:11,580 --> 01:48:15,150
Democracy Now, if they have a
spook in there is Amy Yeah.

1735
01:48:15,360 --> 01:48:22,980
Because I don't know anybody
else be. So they have a new they

1736
01:48:22,980 --> 01:48:25,770
first figure well, we can't get
a spook in there. We've had

1737
01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:32,700
situations where we know people
that have worked at certain

1738
01:48:32,790 --> 01:48:37,260
organizations that have
discussed with us people that

1739
01:48:37,260 --> 01:48:39,960
are there that don't make up the
why are they there? What are

1740
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:42,570
they doing there when they keep
screwing with us? We're talking

1741
01:48:42,570 --> 01:48:46,650
about within the NPR world and
every place has had me VO We

1742
01:48:46,860 --> 01:48:51,510
identified one working there we
believe and they're all over the

1743
01:48:51,510 --> 01:48:53,730
place. And I always like to spot
him and this is our spot to

1744
01:48:53,730 --> 01:48:58,080
spook game. Oh, is that where
you're going this way. So we go

1745
01:48:58,080 --> 01:49:01,260
you have all these? Well, I just
wanted to mention this because

1746
01:49:01,260 --> 01:49:05,670
people should know that it's
really difficult on the no

1747
01:49:05,670 --> 01:49:11,490
agenda show for anyone to get in
to be a spook because it's just

1748
01:49:11,490 --> 01:49:15,570
a small operation list. I know
I'm not a spook by no I'm not a

1749
01:49:15,570 --> 01:49:19,560
spook he knows he's not so
there's no buddy that's why our

1750
01:49:19,560 --> 01:49:23,340
show tells stories about you
know, it's not like it's not

1751
01:49:23,340 --> 01:49:26,250
like within a giant organization
where there's a spook or two

1752
01:49:26,430 --> 01:49:29,340
that will quash store now you
know guys because these two

1753
01:49:29,340 --> 01:49:31,710
people aren't interested in that
they're not interested in that

1754
01:49:31,710 --> 01:49:36,240
once you talk about the we had a
better story than that. So would

1755
01:49:36,240 --> 01:49:38,130
you like you know if you don't
do that story, would you like us

1756
01:49:38,130 --> 01:49:40,440
to write a book for you put your
name on it? Yeah,

1757
01:49:40,470 --> 01:49:42,480
exactly. And you can go on CNN.

1758
01:49:44,400 --> 01:49:47,520
The snow okay. So they brought
her on and they asked her about

1759
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:50,760
the about the thought the
country's in the sheet gives.

1760
01:49:51,900 --> 01:49:54,210
She won't she doesn't get the
laundry list, but the director

1761
01:49:54,210 --> 01:49:56,970
does and then they imply it was
all it was all part of a

1762
01:49:56,970 --> 01:49:58,290
blackmailing operation.

1763
01:49:58,469 --> 01:50:00,569
What did you say? Your email?

1764
01:50:02,070 --> 01:50:07,230
Well, it was a memo from a chap
called Frank Koza. who worked at

1765
01:50:07,230 --> 01:50:13,590
the NSA. And it was just a
request from the NSA to offer

1766
01:50:13,590 --> 01:50:17,700
GCHQ to assist them in bugging
the domestic and Office

1767
01:50:17,700 --> 01:50:21,330
Communications of the six UN
Security Council delegates

1768
01:50:22,470 --> 01:50:26,430
in bugging, in spying on in
eavesdropping wiretapping or

1769
01:50:26,430 --> 01:50:30,480
whatever. Yeah. And who were the
six countries? You're putting me

1770
01:50:30,480 --> 01:50:36,240
on? I know. Gavin, worked on the
screenplay, and is the director,

1771
01:50:36,269 --> 01:50:44,699
yes, Angola, Cameroon, Bulgaria,
Chile, Pakistan, and Mexico. And

1772
01:50:45,599 --> 01:50:48,779
these six countries were the non
permanent members on the UN

1773
01:50:48,779 --> 01:50:49,859
Security Council at

1774
01:50:49,860 --> 01:50:53,040
the time, the idea was they
would figure out which way they

1775
01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:55,020
were going to vote so that they
could sway them?

1776
01:50:55,050 --> 01:50:59,010
Well, no more. The idea was to
gather information that they

1777
01:50:59,010 --> 01:51:04,680
could use to bribe them or, you
know, threaten them into voting

1778
01:51:04,710 --> 01:51:06,030
yes, for the resolution.

1779
01:51:06,599 --> 01:51:09,389
The term is blackmail. I don't
know why she didn't use it.

1780
01:51:11,160 --> 01:51:14,250
The term is blackmail. And
that's what is going on with all

1781
01:51:14,250 --> 01:51:17,490
the snooping and this is another
message that people need to

1782
01:51:17,490 --> 01:51:21,180
understand when you say, Well, I
don't care if they listen in on

1783
01:51:21,180 --> 01:51:25,470
what I'm doing, because I'm not
doing anything wrong. That's not

1784
01:51:25,470 --> 01:51:29,220
the point. It's not you that's
doing anything wrong. It's

1785
01:51:29,220 --> 01:51:32,370
somebody else who can be
blackmailed. And they would

1786
01:51:32,370 --> 01:51:37,140
maybe vote against your
interests. Yes. And that's the

1787
01:51:37,140 --> 01:51:41,790
problem with that's why privacy
has to be a big deal. It's not

1788
01:51:41,790 --> 01:51:44,430
because Oh, I'm not doing
anything wrong. I don't care if

1789
01:51:44,430 --> 01:51:47,190
they're listening in. There's no
such thing as privacy you could

1790
01:51:47,190 --> 01:51:51,450
have stopped a horrible war
which hundreds of 1000s of

1791
01:51:51,450 --> 01:51:55,530
people were killed in. But now
you didn't care about your

1792
01:51:55,530 --> 01:51:56,190
privacy.

1793
01:51:58,020 --> 01:52:02,520
Now of course this ended up
being did screw up the wars

1794
01:52:02,520 --> 01:52:05,790
beginning so they had to come up
with the yellowcake and all the

1795
01:52:05,790 --> 01:52:06,330
other crap

1796
01:52:06,330 --> 01:52:13,110
aluminum to aluminum today. I'm
looking at the at the Wikipedia

1797
01:52:13,110 --> 01:52:17,490
entry for the story of Catherine
Gunn. And it says Angola,

1798
01:52:17,490 --> 01:52:21,450
Bulgaria, Cameroon, Chile,
Pakistan, but not Mexico. It

1799
01:52:21,450 --> 01:52:26,790
says Guinea. This guy said
Mexico, Mexico, Mexico. Mexico

1800
01:52:26,790 --> 01:52:30,600
is not in Wikipedia. It's Guinea
he said Mexico. It's not in the

1801
01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:31,530
wiki in on the wiki.

1802
01:52:32,130 --> 01:52:34,680
We'd have to look at who was on
the Security Council at the time

1803
01:52:34,680 --> 01:52:35,520
was there some as

1804
01:52:36,990 --> 01:52:39,900
to lots and lots of people but
who was the swing? i It doesn't

1805
01:52:39,900 --> 01:52:41,130
really matter. I'm just saying
he may

1806
01:52:41,130 --> 01:52:44,910
have left Mexico out for a
reason. Again, yeah, wiki pedia

1807
01:52:45,030 --> 01:52:49,140
very trustworthy. Somebody over
there at the Wikipedia with gray

1808
01:52:49,140 --> 01:52:53,730
hair, blue, blue. This he's got
a nice kind of a Brooks Brothers

1809
01:52:53,760 --> 01:52:58,860
jacket, blue shirt or light blue
shirt or even a white shirt, a

1810
01:52:58,860 --> 01:53:03,000
tie kind of a regimental tie,
nothing fancy, usually white

1811
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:08,670
hair for some unknown reason.
And that guy is the guy who

1812
01:53:08,670 --> 01:53:13,410
probably put a quote crush that
meant these guys, they'll look

1813
01:53:13,410 --> 01:53:13,890
to say

1814
01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:18,120
you're being very bigoted about
this

1815
01:53:19,230 --> 01:53:23,940
a little bit. But you know,
arguing against it my theory?

1816
01:53:24,150 --> 01:53:29,100
No. How could I? Absolutely
right. It's just it's just sad

1817
01:53:29,100 --> 01:53:33,240
how you made a good point there.
It's like it is important when

1818
01:53:33,240 --> 01:53:35,400
people can hear what you're
doing or see what you're doing.

1819
01:53:35,400 --> 01:53:41,310
It is important, it does make a
difference. Unbelievable. Well,

1820
01:53:41,310 --> 01:53:44,760
that's, that's pretty good. So
they're bringing her back. And

1821
01:53:44,790 --> 01:53:48,780
what was kind of the whole point
of, of this revisit? Well, the

1822
01:53:48,780 --> 01:53:53,190
thing was, this really ties into
the guy who got busted that, you

1823
01:53:53,190 --> 01:53:58,110
know, the British ambassador to
us who said Trump was an idiot.

1824
01:53:58,110 --> 01:54:01,290
We talked about this in the last
year of the show before this

1825
01:54:01,380 --> 01:54:04,620
character, and I guess, you
know, this is just democracy now

1826
01:54:04,620 --> 01:54:08,670
trying to keep the flame is
bubbling about. So they can keep

1827
01:54:08,670 --> 01:54:12,150
saying well, he said the
ambassador said Trump was inept.

1828
01:54:12,720 --> 01:54:13,260
So

1829
01:54:14,250 --> 01:54:18,240
I see I see what you're saying.
Okay. It makes sense. I mean,

1830
01:54:18,240 --> 01:54:21,570
she does a lot of these. I don't
know if you call it conflating I

1831
01:54:21,570 --> 01:54:25,710
think there's another example in
here where they're talking about

1832
01:54:25,710 --> 01:54:28,950
one thing and she has to throw
something else in. She does this

1833
01:54:28,950 --> 01:54:32,790
constant. Here's here's Amy,
changing the subject.

1834
01:54:33,660 --> 01:54:35,490
I'm sure she did. That expertly

1835
01:54:35,520 --> 01:54:38,520
Environmental Protection Agency
announced Thursday, it will not

1836
01:54:38,520 --> 01:54:43,200
ban the widely used pesticide
chlorpyrifos. Even though the

1837
01:54:43,200 --> 01:54:47,970
agency's own research shows it
can cause brain damage in

1838
01:54:47,970 --> 01:54:50,640
children. The Obama
administration said it would ban

1839
01:54:50,640 --> 01:54:54,030
the use of the toxic chemical in
2015. But the rule never took

1840
01:54:54,030 --> 01:54:58,800
effect and was suspended in
2017. By then EPA head Scott

1841
01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:02,190
Pruitt this On this the Trump
administration is preparing to

1842
01:55:02,190 --> 01:55:05,940
rollback government regulations
on nuclear power plants with

1843
01:55:05,940 --> 01:55:08,370
staffers at the Nuclear
Regulatory Commission

1844
01:55:08,370 --> 01:55:11,520
recommending allowing the
nuclear industry to carry out

1845
01:55:11,520 --> 01:55:15,240
more self inspections while
slashing the size and scope of

1846
01:55:15,240 --> 01:55:18,270
radiation protection and
emergency preparedness

1847
01:55:18,270 --> 01:55:20,250
inspections and nuclear plants.

1848
01:55:20,520 --> 01:55:24,150
Well very, a very slick trend
got to do it the other very

1849
01:55:24,150 --> 01:55:28,170
slick trans transition into
something I didn't really even

1850
01:55:28,200 --> 01:55:32,310
tear anywhere. So while
completely unrelated I'd like

1851
01:55:32,340 --> 01:55:33,720
that news at the end.

1852
01:55:34,620 --> 01:55:38,100
That was interesting. Yeah, I
mean, I I was taking a little

1853
01:55:38,100 --> 01:55:40,920
bit of aback by but I've been
hearing these these these kinds

1854
01:55:40,920 --> 01:55:43,800
of stories like this where you
talk about one thing and somehow

1855
01:55:43,800 --> 01:55:47,430
get it into another topic and it
makes the transition. The one

1856
01:55:47,460 --> 01:55:51,300
the other example that is this
one, UK climate change,

1857
01:55:51,750 --> 01:55:54,690
transitions to Jew hatred, nice.

1858
01:55:54,720 --> 01:55:57,810
So why did the all party
environment mental committee

1859
01:55:57,840 --> 01:56:00,990
accused the government of
coasting on climate change?

1860
01:56:01,350 --> 01:56:06,030
Kinect can just wager something
here? Does it go from denial

1861
01:56:06,030 --> 01:56:10,500
from climate denial to Holocaust
denial? Oh, it's a different

1862
01:56:10,500 --> 01:56:13,170
kind of trans Oh, okay. Well pay
attention to people.

1863
01:56:13,170 --> 01:56:16,200
So why did the all party
environment mental committee

1864
01:56:16,230 --> 01:56:19,380
accused the government of
coasting on climate change?

1865
01:56:21,150 --> 01:56:24,060
The government has a fine record
on climate change, including our

1866
01:56:24,060 --> 01:56:28,890
recent net on net zero
emissions.

1867
01:56:29,040 --> 01:56:32,850
But then the Prime Minister
changed tack this morning. More

1868
01:56:32,850 --> 01:56:36,030
than 60 Labour members of the
Lord's put their names to an

1869
01:56:36,030 --> 01:56:39,330
advert in The Guardian
newspaper. They accused Jeremy

1870
01:56:39,330 --> 01:56:43,170
Corbyn of failing to tackle anti
semitism, and said he'd allowed

1871
01:56:43,200 --> 01:56:45,990
a toxic culture to grow in the
Labour Party.

1872
01:56:46,110 --> 01:56:49,170
Before the Right Honourable
gentleman stands up and portrays

1873
01:56:49,170 --> 01:56:52,500
himself as the champion of
climate change or the champion

1874
01:56:52,500 --> 01:56:56,790
of the people, or the defender
of equality and fairness. He

1875
01:56:56,790 --> 01:57:01,140
needs to apologize for his
failure to deal with racism in

1876
01:57:01,140 --> 01:57:02,070
the Labour Party.

1877
01:57:03,690 --> 01:57:06,990
Theresa May produced a copy of
the advert and began to read

1878
01:57:06,990 --> 01:57:07,260
from it.

1879
01:57:07,799 --> 01:57:12,269
The Labour Party welcomes
everyone it seems

1880
01:57:16,650 --> 01:57:17,550
this is great.

1881
01:57:19,770 --> 01:57:23,850
That was quick. It she just went
from you know, what do you hate

1882
01:57:23,850 --> 01:57:26,700
Jews to that was literally what
she did. This is great.

1883
01:57:27,300 --> 01:57:31,920
The people or the defender of
equality and fairness. He needs

1884
01:57:31,920 --> 01:57:36,300
to apologize for his failure to
deal with racism in the Labour

1885
01:57:36,300 --> 01:57:36,780
Party.

1886
01:57:38,430 --> 01:57:41,880
To resume produced a copy of the
advert and began to read from

1887
01:57:41,880 --> 01:57:42,990
it. The Labour

1888
01:57:42,990 --> 01:57:51,690
Party welcomes everyone except
it seems this is your legacy.

1889
01:57:51,720 --> 01:57:55,950
Mr. Corbyn, you still haven't
opened your eyes, you still

1890
01:57:55,950 --> 01:58:00,030
haven't told the whole truth,
you still haven't accepted your

1891
01:58:00,030 --> 01:58:04,290
responsibility. You have failed
the test of leadership.

1892
01:58:04,500 --> 01:58:06,300
Apologize now.

1893
01:58:09,540 --> 01:58:13,890
The Labour Party had been the
first to introduce anti racist

1894
01:58:13,890 --> 01:58:14,790
legislation.

1895
01:58:15,000 --> 01:58:21,300
This party totally opposes
racism in any form whatsoever.

1896
01:58:22,350 --> 01:58:28,290
anti semitism has no place in
our society, no place in any of

1897
01:58:28,290 --> 01:58:32,640
our parties, or no pays place in
any dialogue.

1898
01:58:45,030 --> 01:58:51,420
Unbelievable. Truly what I mean,
that's, that's, I mean, I've

1899
01:58:51,420 --> 01:58:54,540
seen the newspapers talk about
it a little bit in the UK and

1900
01:58:54,540 --> 01:58:57,930
people. But I mean, just for
Theresa May to jump out like

1901
01:58:57,930 --> 01:58:58,980
that. That was that was

1902
01:58:59,040 --> 01:59:01,170
out of the blue because they're
talking about climate change

1903
01:59:01,170 --> 01:59:05,550
that that was just lame. But it
was funny. And you see, I saw it

1904
01:59:05,550 --> 01:59:08,310
you see comedy bits about this.
One thing I remember from years

1905
01:59:08,310 --> 01:59:11,490
ago on an old show called
Fridays, we're actually Larry

1906
01:59:11,490 --> 01:59:15,480
David was playing a character
and he comes in and there he

1907
01:59:15,480 --> 01:59:21,960
comes in as a substitute lawyer.
And then he says something. So

1908
01:59:21,960 --> 01:59:24,450
he comes in as a substitute
lawyer and has some case about

1909
01:59:25,410 --> 01:59:28,350
about whatever the case was, he
goes up and the first thing he

1910
01:59:28,350 --> 01:59:33,210
does is he accuses the witness
of being a lesbian. And

1911
01:59:33,210 --> 01:59:34,110
absolutely not for

1912
01:59:34,110 --> 01:59:39,690
no reason. For no reason.
Fantastic. That was good. That's

1913
01:59:39,690 --> 01:59:44,970
in fact, I think that is worthy
of a clip of the day I'm gonna

1914
01:59:44,970 --> 01:59:50,520
give that one clip. But that was

1915
01:59:50,580 --> 01:59:55,500
truly bizarrely nutty and what a
way to shame someone just in a

1916
01:59:55,500 --> 02:00:00,270
horrific way. You do hater.
Apologize now Jew hater. was the

1917
02:00:00,270 --> 02:00:00,960
guy gonna do

1918
02:00:00,990 --> 02:00:04,290
well? I'm sorry. It's not that
different than what you're

1919
02:00:04,320 --> 02:00:06,120
calling everyone a racist.

1920
02:00:06,480 --> 02:00:08,880
He's a Jew hater is next level
shit, man.

1921
02:00:10,019 --> 02:00:13,439
Now, there was something going
on there was a bunch of protests

1922
02:00:13,439 --> 02:00:16,139
being discussed on Democracy Now
I want to play these two clips

1923
02:00:16,139 --> 02:00:19,409
real quick because one of them
is neither one of these stories

1924
02:00:19,409 --> 02:00:23,009
keep cropped up but the second
one is very strange to me

1925
02:00:23,009 --> 02:00:26,039
because when you hear the second
one, you're going to wonder what

1926
02:00:26,039 --> 02:00:29,459
is going on. But this is the
undiscussed protest, it says

1927
02:00:29,459 --> 02:00:33,089
Nins but of nuns. There's a nun
protests going on

1928
02:00:33,120 --> 02:00:37,800
in Washington DC Capitol Police
arrested 70 Catholic nuns and

1929
02:00:37,800 --> 02:00:41,430
clergy Thursday as they hold a
nonviolent sit in protest inside

1930
02:00:41,430 --> 02:00:43,590
the Russell Senate office
building against the Trump

1931
02:00:43,590 --> 02:00:46,110
administration's inhumane
treatment of immigrants and

1932
02:00:46,110 --> 02:00:49,500
asylum seekers. More than a
dozen protesters stood in a

1933
02:00:49,500 --> 02:00:53,280
circle holding the photographs
of migrant children who've died

1934
02:00:53,280 --> 02:00:57,630
in US custody, reciting their
names. The latest protests came

1935
02:00:57,630 --> 02:01:00,720
as immigrant communities across
the country have prepared for

1936
02:01:00,720 --> 02:01:05,430
reported ICE raids that were
scheduled to begin last weekend,

1937
02:01:05,520 --> 02:01:08,130
but have largely not
materialized.

1938
02:01:09,330 --> 02:01:11,310
There's never going to
materialize. But as you think is

1939
02:01:11,310 --> 02:01:14,130
a conflict of interest to
Catholic Charities and the whole

1940
02:01:14,130 --> 02:01:15,810
thing. I mean, come on nuns.

1941
02:01:16,290 --> 02:01:19,830
Oh, totally. This is a very good
point. And people need to

1942
02:01:19,830 --> 02:01:23,130
understand that the Catholic
Charities received over a

1943
02:01:23,130 --> 02:01:26,280
billion dollars just recently,
actually it was 2 billion for

1944
02:01:26,280 --> 02:01:28,680
all of them. But these are the
Catholic Charities and the

1945
02:01:28,680 --> 02:01:33,540
charities were located here in
Austin. I think it's Christian

1946
02:01:33,540 --> 02:01:35,280
or Catholic. I don't remember
which

1947
02:01:35,519 --> 02:01:37,229
one is Catholic. It says
Catholic,

1948
02:01:37,410 --> 02:01:40,440
but they are religious
organizations who are receiving

1949
02:01:40,440 --> 02:01:47,190
this government money to take
care of the kids to take the

1950
02:01:47,190 --> 02:01:52,110
kids and then have the nuns
protesting. Yeah, that is pretty

1951
02:01:52,170 --> 02:01:55,860
sickening, thinking that they
may be just protesting for money

1952
02:01:55,860 --> 02:02:00,240
for their organization. It's not
where was the mention of that?

1953
02:02:00,240 --> 02:02:03,180
I'm sure that I'm sure Amy came
back and said something about

1954
02:02:03,180 --> 02:02:05,400
that, didn't she? No, no. Okay,

1955
02:02:05,430 --> 02:02:09,090
well, now the but then what came
up next was this and listen to

1956
02:02:09,090 --> 02:02:13,470
this carefully and tell me have
you heard anything about this

1957
02:02:13,470 --> 02:02:18,150
and why does it what is? What's
the deal? This is the last clip.

1958
02:02:18,390 --> 02:02:23,760
It says under what it says will
Indian asylum song. You see it?

1959
02:02:23,790 --> 02:02:24,360
Yeah, I see a

1960
02:02:24,900 --> 02:02:28,950
plane while a group of Indian
asylum seekers in El Paso, Texas

1961
02:02:28,950 --> 02:02:31,710
have launched a hunger strike
from inside a nice immigration

1962
02:02:31,710 --> 02:02:34,230
jail demanding they be released
while they appeal their

1963
02:02:34,230 --> 02:02:37,560
deportation orders. One of the
men told the Texas Monthly if I

1964
02:02:37,560 --> 02:02:40,500
go back to India, I'll be
tortured and killed. I can die

1965
02:02:40,500 --> 02:02:44,310
here. It's the second time this
year that Indian men have led

1966
02:02:44,310 --> 02:02:47,220
hunger strikes at the El Paso
processing center.

1967
02:02:47,940 --> 02:02:51,030
Oh, I think we should just open
the borders for all Indians.

1968
02:02:52,560 --> 02:02:57,030
To know what this is about? What
are they protesting? If they go

1969
02:02:57,030 --> 02:02:59,820
back to India, they're going to
be tortured and they're going to

1970
02:02:59,820 --> 02:03:03,480
die there what? Well, you know
anything about Indians being

1971
02:03:03,480 --> 02:03:07,800
tortured in India, and coming
over here somehow getting over

1972
02:03:07,800 --> 02:03:09,570
here and ending up in El Paso

1973
02:03:09,630 --> 02:03:13,560
or I'm pretty sure they have
millions of slaves in India,

1974
02:03:13,560 --> 02:03:17,790
people are are in slave labor
situations in the caste system.

1975
02:03:17,790 --> 02:03:23,370
It's a very divided culture they
have. So yeah, I'm pretty sure

1976
02:03:23,370 --> 02:03:26,910
if you're in the in the lower
tiers that you're just you know,

1977
02:03:26,940 --> 02:03:28,710
screw you. You're no good.

1978
02:03:29,070 --> 02:03:31,620
Well, I'd like to get more
information on this story. She

1979
02:03:31,620 --> 02:03:36,480
didn't provide anything. Just
you said she just a vague it was

1980
02:03:36,480 --> 02:03:39,360
just a vague general story. Like
as if we were supposed to know

1981
02:03:39,360 --> 02:03:42,840
about this. I don't know
anything about this knife. I was

1982
02:03:42,840 --> 02:03:43,620
distressed.

1983
02:03:46,230 --> 02:03:48,660
I have some I got a short
picture of you really being

1984
02:03:48,660 --> 02:03:50,040
distressed. But I understand.

1985
02:03:51,060 --> 02:03:54,060
I haven't seen the show I so I
can offer since we're in the

1986
02:03:54,060 --> 02:03:57,630
topic. Okay. Latest racist
remarks.

1987
02:03:58,140 --> 02:04:00,570
Ooh, that may be a good one a
lot more on President Trump's

1988
02:04:00,570 --> 02:04:02,310
latest racist remarks.

1989
02:04:02,640 --> 02:04:05,910
remarks. If you didn't clip it
very well. It's a little thing

1990
02:04:05,910 --> 02:04:06,180
at the

1991
02:04:06,420 --> 02:04:09,120
more on President Trump's latest
racist remarks.

1992
02:04:10,230 --> 02:04:13,170
No, no, I do. I thought it was

1993
02:04:13,709 --> 02:04:19,079
a great clip at the end. It's up
for consideration. We've been

1994
02:04:19,079 --> 02:04:24,569
talking about the face app that
changes your face that once

1995
02:04:24,569 --> 02:04:29,099
again went viral. And even
though we discussed it really in

1996
02:04:29,099 --> 02:04:33,419
detail on the last episode as to
why this is a problem. Your

1997
02:04:33,419 --> 02:04:38,069
government and not yours maybe
but here in America, we got

1998
02:04:38,069 --> 02:04:43,679
Chuck Schumer one of the leading
Democrats the the carpet, a

1999
02:04:43,679 --> 02:04:48,509
coupe T copy of of all the
Democrats certainly in on

2000
02:04:48,509 --> 02:04:51,809
Capitol Hill, telling us the
American people's that you

2001
02:04:51,809 --> 02:04:55,199
should very afraid Be very
afraid of this up, but his

2002
02:04:55,199 --> 02:04:58,829
reasons. Hi, everybody, and I'm
here to give by the way, this is

2003
02:04:58,829 --> 02:05:01,919
how he talks to young people.
Hi, everybody, this is what he

2004
02:05:01,919 --> 02:05:04,019
thinks is hip. It's like, hi,
everybody.

2005
02:05:04,050 --> 02:05:07,020
Hi, everybody. And I'm here to
give a warning for all

2006
02:05:07,020 --> 02:05:11,040
Americans, millions of people
who've been downloading faceapp

2007
02:05:11,340 --> 02:05:15,750
seems like fun, it applies a
little AI to a selfie, to make

2008
02:05:15,750 --> 02:05:19,770
your face look older, younger,
at a beard, whatever. What seems

2009
02:05:19,770 --> 02:05:24,330
like social media Fed, however,
may actually not be benign at

2010
02:05:24,330 --> 02:05:28,410
all. Recently, it came to light
that the parent company, the

2011
02:05:28,410 --> 02:05:33,420
app, wireless Labs is based in
St. Petersburg. Just as

2012
02:05:33,420 --> 02:05:36,810
worrisome, it came to light that
the app not only takes your

2013
02:05:36,810 --> 02:05:40,710
picture, but retains the right
to keep your photos or even your

2014
02:05:40,710 --> 02:05:44,940
search history. It allows quote,
perpetual, irrevocable and

2015
02:05:44,940 --> 02:05:50,730
worldwide license to your photos
name or likeness. So this is a

2016
02:05:50,730 --> 02:05:54,990
breathtaking and possibly
dangerous level of access. And

2017
02:05:54,990 --> 02:05:58,620
it raises substantial privacy
concerns, the risk that your

2018
02:05:58,620 --> 02:06:01,800
facial data could also fall into
the hands of something like

2019
02:06:01,800 --> 02:06:05,640
Russian intelligence, where the
Russian military apparatus is

2020
02:06:05,640 --> 02:06:06,240
disturbing.

2021
02:06:07,260 --> 02:06:13,020
Bullshit. I'm flabbergasted by
this for a number of reasons.

2022
02:06:13,320 --> 02:06:16,740
One key could have been reading
the terms and services of

2023
02:06:16,740 --> 02:06:20,760
Instagram, Facebook, or any
other social network. They all

2024
02:06:20,760 --> 02:06:24,870
have that irrevocable worldwide
license and perpetual in

2025
02:06:24,900 --> 02:06:29,100
perpetuity, to use your name
likeness. They all have that.

2026
02:06:29,610 --> 02:06:33,390
They can all do that. And then
because the company is

2027
02:06:33,390 --> 02:06:35,550
headquartered, and he didn't
even say Russia at the

2028
02:06:35,550 --> 02:06:38,790
beginning, St. Petersburg. Oh,
now we have to be worried about

2029
02:06:38,790 --> 02:06:42,930
your face. It data falling into
the hands of the Russians. Shut

2030
02:06:42,930 --> 02:06:48,330
up. Schumer. What? What a
nincompoop. The real issue is

2031
02:06:48,360 --> 02:06:52,980
that BAP is tracking your ass
all over the place. It's got us

2032
02:06:52,980 --> 02:06:57,390
trackers in it. Actually, I got
so pissed off. When I heard this

2033
02:06:57,390 --> 02:07:02,670
clip I went to find I did I went
to I'm like, Who? Are these data

2034
02:07:02,670 --> 02:07:05,790
brokers? We've talked about this
a lot. The data brokers, the

2035
02:07:05,790 --> 02:07:09,000
data brokers, do you have any
idea who the data brokers are?

2036
02:07:10,260 --> 02:07:13,770
Oh, the credit card companies,
our credit companies, the FICA

2037
02:07:13,770 --> 02:07:15,030
guys? Oh, there's a lot of them.

2038
02:07:15,060 --> 02:07:19,710
Actually, the number one
aggregator of Data Broker

2039
02:07:20,040 --> 02:07:26,910
content. And data is Oracle.
Yeah, yeah. And go? And do you

2040
02:07:26,910 --> 02:07:30,900
know why? They had a couple of
AD AD tech all in 2014. They

2041
02:07:30,900 --> 02:07:34,140
were buying up little ad tech
companies. But then they made a

2042
02:07:34,140 --> 02:07:39,480
whopper they acquired axiom, a
CX IOM, you've never heard of

2043
02:07:39,480 --> 02:07:43,500
Axiom, you're not supposed to
hear of Axiom. But they have

2044
02:07:43,650 --> 02:07:48,060
this very old company. They've
been around since the early 60s.

2045
02:07:48,360 --> 02:07:51,660
And they are the original Mac
Daddy of collecting your

2046
02:07:51,660 --> 02:07:54,450
purchase history. They have an
entire network of getting

2047
02:07:54,480 --> 02:07:58,410
offline information. They sell
this back to Google. I'm sure

2048
02:07:58,410 --> 02:08:01,170
Google has its own competencies,
and everyone's building their

2049
02:08:01,170 --> 02:08:06,300
own database bases and profiles
on you. But they

2050
02:08:06,330 --> 02:08:10,350
haven't used the right term. Spy
CA,

2051
02:08:10,710 --> 02:08:19,200
in fact, yes. It is a dossier.
Nine of the top 10 automotive

2052
02:08:19,200 --> 02:08:22,860
companies use them. Eight out of
10 financial companies, the

2053
02:08:22,860 --> 02:08:26,100
credit card companies, the
pharmaceutical companies, these

2054
02:08:26,100 --> 02:08:30,960
are the people who have the
dossier on you. And they can

2055
02:08:30,960 --> 02:08:33,660
take all your disparate data. So
I mean, they've been doing this

2056
02:08:33,660 --> 02:08:37,200
for a long time very valuable
company. They were purchased by

2057
02:08:37,200 --> 02:08:41,070
Oracle for almost $3 billion.
And this is all being stored in

2058
02:08:41,070 --> 02:08:43,950
Oracle Database. As you know who
else uses Oracle databases? Do

2059
02:08:43,950 --> 02:08:48,420
you? Yeah, the government. In
fact, in 2001 axiom pitch the

2060
02:08:48,420 --> 02:08:52,860
Department of Justice to start
scouring the internet and

2061
02:08:52,860 --> 02:08:56,790
websites and people's profiles.
I mean, the dossier for

2062
02:08:56,790 --> 02:09:00,360
keywords. Now, the government
rejected them at least according

2063
02:09:00,360 --> 02:09:03,150
to this letter. But they the
government was also spoke very

2064
02:09:03,150 --> 02:09:05,700
highly of their capabilities.
And it was found that there was

2065
02:09:05,700 --> 02:09:07,980
some conflict of interest. You

2066
02:09:07,980 --> 02:09:10,710
know, it the thing you're
overlooking, and you shouldn't

2067
02:09:10,710 --> 02:09:17,280
mention, you know, you just know
how accurate these Dossiers are

2068
02:09:17,280 --> 02:09:20,370
about you. And you can attest to
that as you used to get pulled

2069
02:09:20,370 --> 02:09:22,260
over every time he had left the
country. You

2070
02:09:22,440 --> 02:09:24,840
know, and once you're in the
dossier, it's hard to get

2071
02:09:24,840 --> 02:09:28,770
something out of the dossier if
there's bad data in there. They

2072
02:09:28,770 --> 02:09:33,240
used to allow you to look at
what they have in your in their

2073
02:09:33,240 --> 02:09:37,500
dossier on you. They've closed
that down although they do say

2074
02:09:37,500 --> 02:09:40,440
that beginning 2020 They're
bringing back a new customer

2075
02:09:40,440 --> 02:09:45,990
portal. They also bought
something called thing was live

2076
02:09:46,020 --> 02:09:51,690
was it Live Wire? Find this.
They bought some other company

2077
02:09:52,320 --> 02:09:57,960
and you can opt out of that. Opt
ups. Yes, here it is. That

2078
02:09:57,960 --> 02:10:03,420
company was live ramp, there you
go, live ramp. And so that's how

2079
02:10:03,420 --> 02:10:05,820
they get a lot of their data
from the web, which you

2080
02:10:05,820 --> 02:10:10,020
apparently can opt out of. What
I thought would be interesting

2081
02:10:10,020 --> 02:10:13,860
is to listen to their marketing
pitch, they have a marketing

2082
02:10:13,860 --> 02:10:17,790
video. And it's it's
gobbledygook, marketing poop.

2083
02:10:18,090 --> 02:10:23,640
But it's interesting because
from my research over the

2084
02:10:23,640 --> 02:10:26,940
weekend into these guys, it's
real, what they can do, they

2085
02:10:26,940 --> 02:10:29,460
really have the goods on all of
us.

2086
02:10:37,590 --> 02:10:41,070
The crew across the globe.
Always connected consumers

2087
02:10:41,100 --> 02:10:44,820
expect seamless, Omni channel
personalized experiences from

2088
02:10:44,820 --> 02:10:48,510
the brands they engage axiom.
The data and technology

2089
02:10:48,510 --> 02:10:52,020
foundation for the world's best
marketers is a trusted advisor,

2090
02:10:52,170 --> 02:10:56,040
helping brands build an open
garden reality that unifies data

2091
02:10:56,070 --> 02:10:58,680
at the foundation layer,
connecting the marketing

2092
02:10:58,710 --> 02:11:02,640
ecosystem for the ultimate
customer experience. And that

2093
02:11:02,640 --> 02:11:06,270
means consumers win with more
relevant content and timely

2094
02:11:06,270 --> 02:11:11,130
offers that align with their
needs. And axioms robust suite

2095
02:11:11,130 --> 02:11:14,370
of offerings combined 50 years
of data driven marketing

2096
02:11:14,370 --> 02:11:17,790
experience and leadership and
ethical Data Use and Privacy

2097
02:11:17,940 --> 02:11:20,850
enabling brands and their
partners to create powerful

2098
02:11:20,850 --> 02:11:25,110
experiences across every
consumer touch point. In more

2099
02:11:25,110 --> 02:11:29,100
than 60 countries across Asia
Pacific Europe and the Americas

2100
02:11:29,160 --> 02:11:33,240
axiom provides clients access to
two and a half billion consumers

2101
02:11:33,330 --> 02:11:37,350
and two thirds of the world's
digital population. Axiom helps

2102
02:11:37,350 --> 02:11:40,890
marketers by delivering a suite
of superior services and omni

2103
02:11:40,890 --> 02:11:44,040
channel data environments
solutions. Omni channel

2104
02:11:44,040 --> 02:11:48,720
solutions leverage the best data
identity management strategy and

2105
02:11:48,720 --> 02:11:52,620
analytic services combined with
a unified data layer framework

2106
02:11:52,710 --> 02:11:56,580
connecting martech and adtech at
the data layer to deliver

2107
02:11:56,580 --> 02:12:01,320
quantifiable business impact. By
providing the most advanced

2108
02:12:01,320 --> 02:12:05,280
program for data ethics and
governance axiom always puts the

2109
02:12:05,280 --> 02:12:10,020
consumer first axiom brings a
powerhouse of data driven

2110
02:12:10,020 --> 02:12:15,570
marketing expertise to serve the
world's best brands. Axiom

2111
02:12:15,900 --> 02:12:19,650
powerful capabilities centered
around a trusted unified data

2112
02:12:19,650 --> 02:12:23,460
foundation that advances the
data driven next generation of

2113
02:12:23,460 --> 02:12:27,450
marketing. These capabilities
unlock more value and new

2114
02:12:27,450 --> 02:12:31,590
opportunities that unify first,
second and third party data at

2115
02:12:31,590 --> 02:12:35,430
scale, and protect privacy
across the ecosystem. When

2116
02:12:35,430 --> 02:12:38,790
experience matters, brands trust
axiom.

2117
02:12:39,930 --> 02:12:42,750
That's a two minute video
explaining how they're spying on

2118
02:12:42,750 --> 02:12:46,770
you. What I find kind of sad, is
if they get something wrong,

2119
02:12:46,770 --> 02:12:49,980
some data is incorrect somehow,
or you made a choice that was

2120
02:12:49,980 --> 02:12:54,030
different. This is the this is
what everyone pulls closer

2121
02:12:54,030 --> 02:12:59,220
information from this is where
they get it from. And throw back

2122
02:12:59,220 --> 02:13:05,010
to our call back to our algo and
machine learning. Example, this

2123
02:13:05,010 --> 02:13:07,500
company could screw up your
life, you might not even know

2124
02:13:07,500 --> 02:13:12,060
it. Absolutely. These are the
guys. And so and

2125
02:13:12,060 --> 02:13:16,140
the thing is the thing and the
government itself will be more

2126
02:13:16,140 --> 02:13:19,650
and more reliant on these
databases. For one good reason.

2127
02:13:20,010 --> 02:13:21,570
There are FOIA proof.

2128
02:13:22,559 --> 02:13:25,139
Ooh, yes, no freedom

2129
02:13:25,860 --> 02:13:28,800
to be I want to do a dossier.
They can let you these guys do a

2130
02:13:28,800 --> 02:13:29,940
dossier and they'll use it

2131
02:13:29,969 --> 02:13:33,809
and you can purchase it legally.
It's that simple. And it's just

2132
02:13:33,809 --> 02:13:35,669
so I don't have to invoke his
name.

2133
02:13:36,840 --> 02:13:39,660
I think the only people that
actually read the user agreement

2134
02:13:40,110 --> 02:13:42,030
are lawmakers in Washington
journalists

2135
02:13:42,030 --> 02:13:44,580
that are writing about it today.
But just a quick, quick point to

2136
02:13:44,580 --> 02:13:47,940
make when you sign up for this
app and ask to enable your

2137
02:13:47,940 --> 02:13:50,880
entire photo album and so that's
the big question. Why did they

2138
02:13:50,880 --> 02:13:53,730
need permanent access these app?
Yeah, everybody does it.

2139
02:13:55,980 --> 02:14:03,180
So how concerned really are they
gonna have all the secrets of

2140
02:14:03,180 --> 02:14:06,390
new Speedway unless you live
like the Unabomber in a cabin in

2141
02:14:06,390 --> 02:14:08,130
the woods. Wow, this point.

2142
02:14:12,600 --> 02:14:16,050
Let's just stop it right there.
So by now, yeah.

2143
02:14:16,080 --> 02:14:20,790
Who has been talking to Hitler?
Yeah, I usually say Professor

2144
02:14:20,790 --> 02:14:23,490
Ted would be proud but now I
mean, okay, so they call him the

2145
02:14:23,490 --> 02:14:26,940
Unabomber. Like you're a crazy
nut job. You will be crazy nut

2146
02:14:26,940 --> 02:14:29,460
job to sit in the woods to hide
from all this you guys.

2147
02:14:31,140 --> 02:14:34,440
I'm gonna show my mood by
donating to no agenda. Imagine

2148
02:14:34,440 --> 02:14:37,140
all the people who could do
that. Oh yeah, that'd be fun

2149
02:14:44,580 --> 02:14:48,030
and we do have a few people
think to thank for show. Love

2150
02:14:48,030 --> 02:14:53,310
with the seven nines 57 You're
starting to stop that. Sir

2151
02:14:53,340 --> 02:14:58,560
Neil's moniker in Hamburg,
Hamburg Deutschland under $11.11

2152
02:14:59,100 --> 02:15:04,410
Elizabeth BROZEN I think she's a
dame is she? Yeah, Dame Beth.

2153
02:15:04,740 --> 02:15:10,980
Yep. Hey boys. Love you want to
go to the loving what you do to

2154
02:15:10,980 --> 02:15:15,840
the moon and back? Okay, I have
a moon clip later for Dan to

2155
02:15:15,840 --> 02:15:25,530
show Rahner Ronald Shoal 808
sure John horhn corner corner in

2156
02:15:25,590 --> 02:15:28,020
Bay City Bay St. Louis

2157
02:15:28,050 --> 02:15:31,680
got a birthday call out for a
smokin hot wife Sarah cozy we

2158
02:15:31,680 --> 02:15:36,360
got that listed for you. And an
ITM from an impromptu na meetup

2159
02:15:36,390 --> 02:15:41,520
of the Helena Arkansas local
1360 So a shout out to Sir

2160
02:15:41,520 --> 02:15:44,730
Rocket Man Baron of the base or
Terry of Crowley's ridge and Sir

2161
02:15:44,730 --> 02:15:46,440
One night in Bangkok.

2162
02:15:47,220 --> 02:15:50,370
Oh, we do have the $108 donation
to make a correction it actually

2163
02:15:50,370 --> 02:15:51,270
came from

2164
02:15:52,260 --> 02:15:56,490
Ah, yes, this is from Sir Spud,
sir spot. The Mighty.

2165
02:15:57,120 --> 02:16:00,570
Yes, but the mighty explain.
That was a we went back and

2166
02:16:00,570 --> 02:16:05,010
forth. It was a mistake. Mistake
was for the last show. So sure,

2167
02:16:05,040 --> 02:16:05,820
but the mighty,

2168
02:16:06,240 --> 02:16:09,540
it was for him and he wanted to
and he wanted to call out some

2169
02:16:09,540 --> 02:16:12,810
other people who are then yeah,
so it got confusing. Okay, well,

2170
02:16:12,810 --> 02:16:14,550
you haven't really made it good
in that case.

2171
02:16:15,930 --> 02:16:18,720
It was confusing that he call
that mostly caladiums Oh, yeah.

2172
02:16:18,720 --> 02:16:22,710
You want to read the I don't
have the note in front of me. So

2173
02:16:22,710 --> 02:16:24,990
I guess it's just not good. We
started to go to the next show

2174
02:16:25,410 --> 02:16:29,280
to fixers but I do have the
notes somewhere. We'll get to it

2175
02:16:29,280 --> 02:16:35,880
later. Tomorrow. Next show. Ian
Nicholas Lindbergh in Stockholm.

2176
02:16:37,650 --> 02:16:41,400
To defy 55 This is not a big
list people. Although we do have

2177
02:16:41,400 --> 02:16:44,190
a lot of $50 donors, which was
the theme donation for this

2178
02:16:44,190 --> 02:16:49,110
show. 5050 years anniversary of
the moon landing. Blake Farrell

2179
02:16:49,110 --> 02:16:51,720
in Arlington, Texas double
nickels on the dime. Maxine

2180
02:16:51,719 --> 02:16:55,469
Waters. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. Blake needs an F

2181
02:16:55,469 --> 02:16:58,799
cancer for his good friend Mike
and his wife Yvonne in Benbrook,

2182
02:16:58,829 --> 02:17:01,379
Texas Mike hit me in the mouth
several years ago. I've been an

2183
02:17:01,379 --> 02:17:04,319
anonymous freeloader ever since
no more so we need to de

2184
02:17:04,319 --> 02:17:09,629
douching as well I have to do
these. You You've been de deuced

2185
02:17:14,759 --> 02:17:18,779
you've got karma. We need to
code those. I think we get so

2186
02:17:18,779 --> 02:17:21,479
many F cancers. I think the
shill has to coat them on the

2187
02:17:21,479 --> 02:17:23,129
spreadsheet so we don't overlook
them.

2188
02:17:24,750 --> 02:17:26,730
You should catch him. I don't
think we've missed too many

2189
02:17:27,270 --> 02:17:31,650
Maxine Waters and there's enough
codes on here. Maxine Waters

2190
02:17:31,650 --> 02:17:36,900
gravel 5050 turned another year
older on the 18th and a hole is

2191
02:17:36,900 --> 02:17:37,680
this gravel.

2192
02:17:37,949 --> 02:17:42,119
Gravel is I don't know and but
the gravel said dunk here in

2193
02:17:42,119 --> 02:17:44,729
Dutch at the end there so the
gravel is multilingual

2194
02:17:45,479 --> 02:17:48,899
could be alright. Nancy MOOsic
in Greensboro, North Carolina,

2195
02:17:48,899 --> 02:17:52,259
the following people will be $50
donors either of normal $50

2196
02:17:52,259 --> 02:17:55,319
donors are celebrating the 50th
anniversary of the moon launch

2197
02:17:55,649 --> 02:17:59,549
the moonshot. Andrew gusik in
Greensboro, North Carolina

2198
02:17:59,549 --> 02:18:03,809
Robert case and mill spring
North Carolina. Thomas Tallaght

2199
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in Shawnee, Oklahoma has a
birthday coming up for his his

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02:18:07,409 --> 02:18:12,869
boy, Daniel laboy and bath
Michigan, John Knowles, John

2201
02:18:13,259 --> 02:18:19,979
Wilco. Matthew Hawkins in new
Mabel Ville, Arkansas. Day

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02:18:19,979 --> 02:18:25,439
Dennis STARCO sir Josh Mendell
in Greenville, South Carolina.

2203
02:18:26,879 --> 02:18:35,969
Jeffrey Radwan, Jeremy Yes,
Jeremy RADWIN. Carl and reset

2204
02:18:35,969 --> 02:18:39,779
the eyeball. Hamburger.

2205
02:18:43,139 --> 02:18:43,979
situation.

2206
02:18:44,160 --> 02:18:49,650
It's funny because it's just I
know from like a clip, you know,

2207
02:18:49,650 --> 02:18:52,410
and you say, well, it says this
and I can clearly see what it's

2208
02:18:52,440 --> 02:18:55,290
done. I know your eyeball needs
resetting, but I need to get

2209
02:18:55,290 --> 02:18:58,620
people to get you a cue to say
eyeball reset, because

2210
02:19:01,290 --> 02:19:06,420
it'll be in the book but the
this is not discussed by the

2211
02:19:06,420 --> 02:19:10,320
euro, your ophthalmologist this
eyeball situation. But I'm

2212
02:19:10,320 --> 02:19:12,720
talking to over my I have two
neighbors that live next door to

2213
02:19:12,720 --> 02:19:16,920
me to neurologists. And I
explained they had a friend who

2214
02:19:16,920 --> 02:19:20,160
had cataract operation and
something he committed suicide

2215
02:19:20,160 --> 02:19:22,200
some because he was seeing
things or something like that. I

2216
02:19:22,200 --> 02:19:27,240
said, you know, no problem is. I
said you get these crazy, it's

2217
02:19:27,240 --> 02:19:32,250
not like it's not like LSD level
hallucinations. But you get

2218
02:19:32,250 --> 02:19:35,940
these dis dis semi
hallucinations where and my

2219
02:19:35,940 --> 02:19:39,540
explanation is as follows. And
the two neurologists agreed with

2220
02:19:39,540 --> 02:19:44,430
the theory and it is that when
you're you got a cataract, and

2221
02:19:44,430 --> 02:19:47,610
you're living with this cataract
for sometimes years and years

2222
02:19:47,610 --> 02:19:50,160
and years to the point where
it's just kind of a blurry eye.

2223
02:19:50,670 --> 02:19:53,730
And but you still have the two
eyeballs working and so the one

2224
02:19:53,730 --> 02:19:56,760
eyeball is doing a lot of
interpolation and they use that

2225
02:19:56,760 --> 02:20:00,630
word, maybe call me out on it.
Interpolation Which means this

2226
02:20:00,660 --> 02:20:03,450
is dreamy is making images that
aren't there because your brain

2227
02:20:03,450 --> 02:20:05,940
read your eyeball read this to
see as much as your brain makes

2228
02:20:05,940 --> 02:20:11,040
it see you puts these images
together. And that's why we see

2229
02:20:11,070 --> 02:20:16,020
the old tube the old TV tube was
you never there is no image on

2230
02:20:16,020 --> 02:20:19,500
it take a photo of one. And it
was just a stripe have something

2231
02:20:19,500 --> 02:20:21,030
in your eyeball put it together.

2232
02:20:21,900 --> 02:20:23,520
Because interlaced

2233
02:20:24,090 --> 02:20:26,370
Yeah, it was it was not only
interlaced, but it was really

2234
02:20:26,370 --> 02:20:28,800
there's not a lot of info at any
one time. What was that word

2235
02:20:28,800 --> 02:20:31,140
you used again? Interpolation.
What?

2236
02:20:32,460 --> 02:20:39,360
interpolate. Yeah, interpolate.
interpolate. interpolate. Now,

2237
02:20:39,810 --> 02:20:42,540
that's why, by the way, and
people should notice this is one

2238
02:20:42,540 --> 02:20:47,670
of our turning into a segment. I
like it, dogs, dogs could never

2239
02:20:47,670 --> 02:20:52,020
see the television. When you had
old screens, the old screens,

2240
02:20:52,020 --> 02:20:55,530
the old have tubes, the dog
would eat dogs and cats couldn't

2241
02:20:55,530 --> 02:20:59,700
see that, but they can see it
LCD TVs. That's why there's dogs

2242
02:20:59,700 --> 02:21:03,240
watch TV. Now, if they see
another dog, they'll bark at it

2243
02:21:03,240 --> 02:21:06,390
to do all these things they
never used to do, because there

2244
02:21:06,390 --> 02:21:10,770
was no full image up there that
just stood on there like a

2245
02:21:10,770 --> 02:21:13,860
picture like they are today. So
it's a different phenomenon.

2246
02:21:14,070 --> 02:21:16,560
Well, your eyeball used to use
the dream and stuff up. So when

2247
02:21:16,560 --> 02:21:20,220
you get your cataract removed
and put a clear, beautiful lens

2248
02:21:20,220 --> 02:21:24,630
in there, it sees everything.
It's It's thinking well, maybe

2249
02:21:24,630 --> 02:21:28,590
there's more to it. And so it
starts to dream stuff up. Well,

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02:21:28,590 --> 02:21:32,880
your your brain Yeah. So you see
stuff sometimes that is that

2251
02:21:32,880 --> 02:21:35,340
isn't there, or you or you
interpret something wrong. I was

2252
02:21:35,340 --> 02:21:38,970
watching a tennis match with
Serena Williams and for one

2253
02:21:38,970 --> 02:21:47,760
split second she had three arms
this is this is messed up. She

2254
02:21:47,760 --> 02:21:50,550
isn't have three arms. And I
realized that was just I caught

2255
02:21:50,550 --> 02:21:53,520
an image of something in the
background. And I my eyeball

2256
02:21:53,520 --> 02:21:56,640
decided it's kind of you know,
it was good. It was working so

2257
02:21:56,640 --> 02:21:58,740
hard with the Cattaraugus
commandlets. To do so to have

2258
02:21:58,740 --> 02:22:02,460
some fun. And so it put the
three arms on the woman. And so

2259
02:22:02,460 --> 02:22:05,250
I said this is not right. It
didn't last that long. But if

2260
02:22:05,250 --> 02:22:07,290
you you could be unnerved by
this.

2261
02:22:07,859 --> 02:22:11,909
That's perhaps the most insane
sentence you've just you've ever

2262
02:22:11,909 --> 02:22:16,859
spoken. What? Well, I'll, I'll
play it back to you after. I

2263
02:22:16,859 --> 02:22:19,409
mean, you were like, I can't
believe it. The woman had three

2264
02:22:19,409 --> 02:22:23,969
arms and then I've just like
wow, this is that was that was

2265
02:22:23,969 --> 02:22:27,809
very Druggy of you. Ladies and
gentlemen, John C. Dvorak with a

2266
02:22:27,809 --> 02:22:29,399
C stands for Colombo.

2267
02:22:30,630 --> 02:22:34,140
Oh, we're where we are Josh
Mandel in Greenville, South

2268
02:22:34,140 --> 02:22:38,910
Carolina and Jeremy RADWIN. And
in J and K, which, obviously,

2269
02:22:39,150 --> 02:22:44,580
Carl? Hamburger is 50. These are
all $50 donors many. And there's

2270
02:22:44,580 --> 02:22:49,650
not that many because we're
running out. Eric Ferris, John

2271
02:22:49,680 --> 02:22:56,910
Helmer in Shawnee, Kansas, Ralph
Massaro George which it sir I

2272
02:22:56,910 --> 02:23:00,960
believe in Universal City,
Texas, and that's it. Boom. This

2273
02:23:00,960 --> 02:23:03,810
was a very short list. Nobody
wanted to celebrate the 50th

2274
02:23:03,810 --> 02:23:06,690
anniversary of the moon shot and

2275
02:23:07,920 --> 02:23:10,800
very poor for a week. Surprise,
surprise.

2276
02:23:11,250 --> 02:23:15,540
Thank you. Anonymous and the
other executive producers. Yes,

2277
02:23:15,540 --> 02:23:17,430
surprise, surprise. Well,

2278
02:23:17,580 --> 02:23:23,130
the irony of all this is that
you actually because you know

2279
02:23:23,130 --> 02:23:27,720
less people participated in
sending us some value. The

2280
02:23:27,720 --> 02:23:31,530
ironies kind of that you get
more show. Somehow

2281
02:23:31,560 --> 02:23:34,950
you do get more show. And it's
like you get to hear the story

2282
02:23:34,950 --> 02:23:36,300
about three arms Serena.

2283
02:23:36,360 --> 02:23:39,030
Yeah, well, maybe people can
straighten that out for the

2284
02:23:39,030 --> 02:23:42,000
Thursday show. But thank you
very much, everybody who did

2285
02:23:42,000 --> 02:23:47,100
come in and help produced
episode 1157. That's over $50.

2286
02:23:47,130 --> 02:23:52,710
Very big. Thanks, everyone under
$50. That is, for most just to

2287
02:23:52,710 --> 02:23:55,320
be anonymous, and to be
anonymous, a lot of people take

2288
02:23:55,320 --> 02:23:57,750
out a subscription that just
continues so they continue to

2289
02:23:57,750 --> 02:24:00,990
support the show. We've got a
number of them, and please go

2290
02:24:00,990 --> 02:24:01,710
check them out

2291
02:24:01,710 --> 02:24:06,450
at VO rec.org/and. A, no one.

2292
02:24:09,150 --> 02:24:12,720
Alright, quick overview of the
meetups. This is something that

2293
02:24:12,720 --> 02:24:15,690
seems to be working very well
for people's overall mental

2294
02:24:15,690 --> 02:24:20,070
health, their their friendship,
their relationships, because you

2295
02:24:20,070 --> 02:24:22,950
can go to a no agenda meetup you
can meet people you've never met

2296
02:24:22,950 --> 02:24:26,700
before. People you probably
would never ever bump into. It's

2297
02:24:26,700 --> 02:24:29,310
a very diverse group. And you
could talk to everybody about

2298
02:24:29,310 --> 02:24:31,680
whatever you want and people
don't get triggered because

2299
02:24:31,830 --> 02:24:35,970
their amygdalas are healthy. We
have on the books for the 26th

2300
02:24:35,970 --> 02:24:39,300
of July st. Louis and Portland,
Oregon. Buffalo New York and

2301
02:24:39,300 --> 02:24:42,840
Frisco Texas on the books for
July 27. Central Florida July

2302
02:24:42,840 --> 02:24:47,460
28. August 1 Seattle Washington.
We still have the lot festival

2303
02:24:47,460 --> 02:24:51,450
and ravens Bergen in Germany,
which I need. I still need

2304
02:24:51,450 --> 02:24:54,390
clarification says August 2
through fourth that seems like a

2305
02:24:54,390 --> 02:24:58,500
pretty long meetup or in Orange
County, California August 3

2306
02:24:58,500 --> 02:25:03,930
Murphysboro, Tennessee August 9,
the 10th in Chicago, August 18.

2307
02:25:03,930 --> 02:25:07,320
Victoria, British Columbia, the
22nd is Charleston, South

2308
02:25:07,320 --> 02:25:11,340
Carolina. I believe that's their
their six week cycle. And then

2309
02:25:11,340 --> 02:25:15,930
the 23rd is Salem, Oregon. Those
are your meetups. Go to no

2310
02:25:15,930 --> 02:25:21,540
agenda meetups.com To find out
more about these individual

2311
02:25:21,540 --> 02:25:24,210
listings, and if there isn't one
there that is near you, then you

2312
02:25:24,210 --> 02:25:27,120
can set one up, you can you can
get it on the calendar and get

2313
02:25:27,120 --> 02:25:30,750
it going. And it's again, it's
just something fantastic to

2314
02:25:30,750 --> 02:25:31,620
participate. I would like

2315
02:25:31,620 --> 02:25:37,080
to make a comment. Sure. I was
offered the flight from the

2316
02:25:37,080 --> 02:25:41,310
Orange County meetup back to
which is coming up back to the

2317
02:25:41,310 --> 02:25:49,020
Bay Area by our Baron, Mark
Tanner. And I have to mention

2318
02:25:49,020 --> 02:25:51,630
the people and I've mentioned
this to Nadia, who's going to be

2319
02:25:51,630 --> 02:25:57,540
there. This Meetup is on
Saturday, there's no way I can

2320
02:25:57,540 --> 02:26:00,150
do show prep, and then get back
to do a show on Sunday. If the

2321
02:26:00,150 --> 02:26:02,550
meetups on Saturday, if you're
gonna do a meet up that you want

2322
02:26:02,550 --> 02:26:06,600
me to attend even I'm not going
to attend any of maybe one or

2323
02:26:06,600 --> 02:26:10,980
two, I will do this southern
Silicon Valley one shortly, and

2324
02:26:11,070 --> 02:26:14,250
which hasn't been set up. It has
to be on Thursday or Friday

2325
02:26:14,250 --> 02:26:17,790
nights. Otherwise, it's just not
possible to do the meet up and

2326
02:26:17,790 --> 02:26:18,360
do the show.

2327
02:26:18,390 --> 02:26:21,810
Yeah, really, if you want us to
do unless you feel more more

2328
02:26:21,810 --> 02:26:25,110
important. Now, where would this
meetup meetup be? It's going to

2329
02:26:25,110 --> 02:26:28,860
be in Orange County somewhere.
You can't just stay there and do

2330
02:26:28,860 --> 02:26:31,110
your take your mobile rig and do
it from there.

2331
02:26:31,350 --> 02:26:34,170
No, I spent all day Saturday
doing clips, I

2332
02:26:34,170 --> 02:26:37,290
got a warning. Yeah, I got you.

2333
02:26:37,560 --> 02:26:39,780
I can't I could do the
newsletter on Friday. But then

2334
02:26:39,780 --> 02:26:41,910
there's clip day, I got to do
all my clips and they got to

2335
02:26:41,910 --> 02:26:44,610
produce the clips, it's not
possible. It's not even close to

2336
02:26:44,610 --> 02:26:45,270
being possible.

2337
02:26:45,990 --> 02:26:49,620
In the John and I have a little
different schedule. different

2338
02:26:49,620 --> 02:26:54,330
time zones help a lot. I am
prepping throughout the we both

2339
02:26:54,330 --> 02:26:56,970
are prepping throughout the
entire week. And I pretty much

2340
02:26:56,970 --> 02:27:01,500
have a have a puzzle that I get
up Thursday and Saturday and

2341
02:27:01,500 --> 02:27:05,790
Sunday mornings at five o'clock.
535 To be exact, for some

2342
02:27:05,790 --> 02:27:09,840
reason. And and then I start
assembling everything. So I

2343
02:27:09,870 --> 02:27:13,740
that's when I record the clips.
That's when I put packages

2344
02:27:13,740 --> 02:27:18,120
together with the outline the
show notes. And so that takes me

2345
02:27:18,960 --> 02:27:23,040
up until 11am When we start the
show, and I'm usually working

2346
02:27:23,040 --> 02:27:27,840
right up until that deadline.
When I'm in Europe, I can get

2347
02:27:27,930 --> 02:27:33,720
almost everything done on on
Sunday, and I can start a little

2348
02:27:33,720 --> 02:27:37,500
bit later I can get I started
10am. And then I have until five

2349
02:27:37,500 --> 02:27:39,690
in the afternoon before we start
the show. And then you know,

2350
02:27:39,690 --> 02:27:43,500
it's basically basically the 12
hour days for me outside of the

2351
02:27:43,500 --> 02:27:47,790
producing But John's schedule,
which has been for a while now

2352
02:27:47,790 --> 02:27:51,840
is you know he does all of that
production work Saturday sends

2353
02:27:51,840 --> 02:27:54,660
me his clips. I guess they come
in here around one in the

2354
02:27:54,660 --> 02:27:57,030
morning, two in the morning,
Sunday. When you go to bed you

2355
02:27:57,030 --> 02:27:59,460
go to bed around midnight, I
think typically Yes.

2356
02:27:59,700 --> 02:28:03,930
Right. And then you'd get up at
eight or whatever I wake up.

2357
02:28:05,040 --> 02:28:08,760
Sometimes I will I liked the
idea of having everything done

2358
02:28:08,760 --> 02:28:11,130
and then not having to do a
bunch of hurried up clips in the

2359
02:28:11,130 --> 02:28:14,910
morning, which I used to do I
used to get earlier because then

2360
02:28:14,910 --> 02:28:18,270
you'd use sometimes I want to
produce a clip and want to spend

2361
02:28:18,270 --> 02:28:20,790
I would spend more than five
seconds doing the clips that

2362
02:28:20,790 --> 02:28:24,120
they want to edit it or want to
do something to make it sound

2363
02:28:24,150 --> 02:28:27,600
you know, it was some extra
oomph. And every once in a while

2364
02:28:27,600 --> 02:28:30,450
and I can't do that in the
morning, and I'm also like it

2365
02:28:30,450 --> 02:28:35,130
gets me up too early. And I'm
groggy and I also like to look

2366
02:28:35,130 --> 02:28:37,710
at the current news because I
got busted a couple of times for

2367
02:28:37,710 --> 02:28:41,460
breaking stories that took place
that morning I didn't know and I

2368
02:28:41,460 --> 02:28:44,310
will occasionally send in a late
clip but it's written for

2369
02:28:44,310 --> 02:28:50,220
context. We probably play
between 35 and 40 clips on every

2370
02:28:50,220 --> 02:28:56,700
single show. We have 50 or more
every single show. Go make 50

2371
02:28:56,700 --> 02:28:58,980
clips. Come back and tell me
what that was worth

2372
02:28:58,980 --> 02:29:11,880
to. The 21st of July 2019 Forget
belated birthday wishes going on

2373
02:29:11,880 --> 02:29:16,410
to Maxine Waters gravel who
celebrated on the 18th age

2374
02:29:16,440 --> 02:29:19,770
undetermined and maybe we don't
want to know also Happy Birthday

2375
02:29:19,770 --> 02:29:23,700
today to view for k turns 58 Sir
John Horner says Happy Birthday

2376
02:29:23,700 --> 02:29:26,670
to his smokin hot wife Sarah
cozy should be celebrating

2377
02:29:26,670 --> 02:29:29,940
tomorrow. And Thomas tolet says
Happy Birthday to his son he'll

2378
02:29:29,940 --> 02:29:33,390
be turning 15 years old on the
26th Happy birthday from the

2379
02:29:33,390 --> 02:29:36,300
staff and management and back
office here at the best podcast

2380
02:29:36,300 --> 02:29:45,150
in the universe. So we have 191
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2381
02:29:46,320 --> 02:29:52,080
female swords we got him that's
right Carolyn Blaney. Hog star a

2382
02:29:53,100 --> 02:29:56,430
and Simon live a zoo ski step I
know both of you are about to

2383
02:29:56,430 --> 02:29:58,830
join the illustrious group of
the Knights and Dames with the

2384
02:29:58,830 --> 02:30:01,110
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contributions the amount of

2385
02:30:01,110 --> 02:30:04,980
$1,000 or more, it makes me
incredibly proud to pronounce

2386
02:30:04,980 --> 02:30:10,920
the KC Dame Caerleon, a hug town
and serve big night. Both of you

2387
02:30:10,950 --> 02:30:13,020
are welcome here at the middle
of the roundtable we've got

2388
02:30:13,020 --> 02:30:15,720
hookers and blow rent boys and
the Chardonnay and we've got

2389
02:30:15,720 --> 02:30:18,870
extra coffee and hot sauce pot
and vinegar. Not good enough we

2390
02:30:18,870 --> 02:30:21,270
got kebab and Persian wine
harlots and how they'll

2391
02:30:21,270 --> 02:30:24,060
pepperoni ELLs and pale ales,
cowgirls and cough and

2392
02:30:24,060 --> 02:30:26,760
foreigners breast milk and
Cobham sparkling cider and

2393
02:30:26,760 --> 02:30:30,120
escorts ginger ale and Jerboas,
bong hits and bourbon, and

2394
02:30:30,120 --> 02:30:33,330
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fan favorite, go to no agenda

2395
02:30:33,330 --> 02:30:38,280
nation.com/rings and hit enter
all your information so we can

2396
02:30:38,280 --> 02:30:40,860
get those out to you as soon as
possible. And welcome to the

2397
02:30:40,860 --> 02:30:44,070
roundtable, our brand new night
and our brand new Daymond thank

2398
02:30:44,070 --> 02:30:47,220
you for your courage and thank
you for supporting the show. We

2399
02:30:47,220 --> 02:30:50,580
can't do without you and it is
incredibly highly appreciated.

2400
02:30:52,890 --> 02:30:56,460
All right. Make sure you guys I
get the rundown the thing that

2401
02:30:56,460 --> 02:31:02,070
still kind of happening boiling
is the CIP ship ship seizures

2402
02:31:03,000 --> 02:31:05,250
that have been going on in the
Persian Gulf.

2403
02:31:05,820 --> 02:31:10,440
And I'm glad to track them. I
was listening to the BBC. And

2404
02:31:10,440 --> 02:31:12,630
they were kind of Pooh poohing
it a little bit. They didn't

2405
02:31:12,630 --> 02:31:17,970
seem like all freaked out and
war. There was a very

2406
02:31:18,000 --> 02:31:21,240
detailed PBS. None of these
things are too out of control.

2407
02:31:21,240 --> 02:31:26,010
But let's play the background
here which is ship seizure.

2408
02:31:26,340 --> 02:31:31,350
Iraq. Jesus is the worst. It's
the eyeball Manning is wrong.

2409
02:31:33,840 --> 02:31:37,410
Tensions in the Persian Gulf
have escalated sharply today,

2410
02:31:37,560 --> 02:31:42,030
with reports of Iran seizing two
oil tankers. Britain says one

2411
02:31:42,030 --> 02:31:46,620
was British flag. The other was
a Liberian flag ship operated by

2412
02:31:46,620 --> 02:31:49,980
a British concern. The vessels
were stopped in the Strait of

2413
02:31:49,980 --> 02:31:54,660
Hormuz and diverted to Iranian
waters. Tehran confirmed the

2414
02:31:54,660 --> 02:31:58,170
first seizure but denied the
second. Earlier Iranian

2415
02:31:58,170 --> 02:32:02,430
officials also denied that the
US warship boxer destroyed an

2416
02:32:02,430 --> 02:32:04,380
Iranian drone yesterday.

2417
02:32:06,630 --> 02:32:10,350
Hey, deny the drone thing and
they had this guy on PBS

2418
02:32:10,350 --> 02:32:14,970
NewsHour, this Jarv ad serif
who's the UN ambassador from

2419
02:32:14,970 --> 02:32:18,570
Iran. And they did have a little
discussion with him. There's

2420
02:32:18,570 --> 02:32:21,960
some information as a long clip.
But there's information in here.

2421
02:32:21,960 --> 02:32:24,000
I think that's valuable. I think
we should play it

2422
02:32:24,540 --> 02:32:26,730
as a reef. Thank you very much
for talking with us.

2423
02:32:26,760 --> 02:32:27,810
Good to be with you again.

2424
02:32:28,350 --> 02:32:31,860
Let's start with a downing
yesterday by the United States

2425
02:32:31,860 --> 02:32:35,190
of the Iranian drone in the
Strait of Hormuz. President

2426
02:32:35,190 --> 02:32:38,880
Trump says that this was just
the latest in a series of

2427
02:32:39,090 --> 02:32:44,610
provocative and hostile acts by
Iran. Is that how

2428
02:32:44,670 --> 02:32:49,110
you see it? Well, first of all,
to the best of our information,

2429
02:32:49,620 --> 02:32:53,970
we didn't lose any drones
yesterday. So it doesn't look

2430
02:32:53,970 --> 02:32:58,170
like that. They shot one of our
drones. Maybe they shot one of

2431
02:32:58,170 --> 02:33:01,230
their drones, the reports that
they shot, probably somebody

2432
02:33:01,230 --> 02:33:07,920
else's drops, but provocative.
Even if it were our drone, we

2433
02:33:07,950 --> 02:33:14,310
are in our own neighborhood. The
US naval vessel is about 6000

2434
02:33:14,670 --> 02:33:17,070
miles away from its shores.

2435
02:33:17,610 --> 02:33:20,760
So I would ask you who said
What's wrong with you, man?

2436
02:33:21,060 --> 02:33:23,610
Don't you know who we are being
provocative?

2437
02:33:23,850 --> 02:33:27,570
The Trump administration
official line is that the US is

2438
02:33:27,570 --> 02:33:31,620
not looking for war with Iran.
Do you believe that?

2439
02:33:31,680 --> 02:33:35,070
No, we didn't come to the Gulf
of Mexico. They came to the

2440
02:33:35,070 --> 02:33:39,690
Persian Gulf. Now they have to
watch that they should not

2441
02:33:41,100 --> 02:33:45,390
undermine our sovereignty, our
territorial integrity, or our

2442
02:33:45,390 --> 02:33:48,600
security. And then we won't have
a war,

2443
02:33:48,990 --> 02:33:56,160
even saying this week, Mr.
Minister, that if the US that if

2444
02:33:56,190 --> 02:34:00,840
that Iran may be prepared to
change the course on your

2445
02:34:00,840 --> 02:34:02,370
uranium enrichment? No,

2446
02:34:02,370 --> 02:34:07,740
we're not. We're not we have an
agreement that we negotiated

2447
02:34:07,770 --> 02:34:10,590
with the United States. It
doesn't matter which government

2448
02:34:10,590 --> 02:34:15,960
of the United States because the
outside world considers the

2449
02:34:15,960 --> 02:34:20,130
government sitting in Washington
representing the as representing

2450
02:34:20,130 --> 02:34:23,880
the United States, there is a
provision in the current

2451
02:34:23,970 --> 02:34:29,550
agreement. That is in 2023.
We're supposed to ratify the

2452
02:34:29,550 --> 02:34:33,810
Additional Protocol, which
requires us to put all our

2453
02:34:33,810 --> 02:34:38,460
facilities under UN inspections
for life, that would be

2454
02:34:38,460 --> 02:34:43,800
permanent. And it would also
require the United States to

2455
02:34:43,800 --> 02:34:49,290
lift it sanctions by Congress
permanently. That is a provision

2456
02:34:49,290 --> 02:34:53,340
that Phil already negotiated. He
wants to do better. He can

2457
02:34:53,430 --> 02:34:57,120
implement that provision right
now. And rest assured that Iran

2458
02:34:57,120 --> 02:34:59,340
will never produce nuclear
weapons if that is his

2459
02:34:59,340 --> 02:35:04,860
objective. If he can do it now
2023 We are prepared to, to

2460
02:35:04,860 --> 02:35:07,830
bring that forward. We need to
go to our parliament, our

2461
02:35:07,830 --> 02:35:10,830
parliament needs to ratify it,
we could bring it forward so

2462
02:35:10,830 --> 02:35:17,130
that President Trump could make
history by making sure that the

2463
02:35:17,130 --> 02:35:20,100
relations between the two
countries will change forever.

2464
02:35:20,670 --> 02:35:24,630
Wow. Let's do it. Yeah,

2465
02:35:24,660 --> 02:35:25,680
I didn't know that.

2466
02:35:25,710 --> 02:35:31,500
That sounds that sounds spot on.
I mean, that's first of all, the

2467
02:35:31,500 --> 02:35:36,420
Iran nuclear deal was never
ratified by the by Congress,

2468
02:35:36,420 --> 02:35:39,630
right by Senate. And doesn't it?
It's like it was a piece of

2469
02:35:39,630 --> 02:35:44,130
paper promise from Obama wasn't
much more than that. So but, but

2470
02:35:44,130 --> 02:35:47,700
if this guy is saying, hey,
we'll in perpetuity, you know,

2471
02:35:47,730 --> 02:35:50,040
have everything open, you can
check. We won't build nuclear

2472
02:35:50,040 --> 02:35:54,540
weapons, lift the sanctions.
Sounds like a great idea. I

2473
02:35:54,540 --> 02:35:58,020
mean, like, this is what an
olive branch is move it forward

2474
02:35:58,020 --> 02:36:02,520
from 23 to 20. But the problem
is Saudi Arabia, and I think

2475
02:36:02,520 --> 02:36:05,880
Trump has put too many marbles
over there, including troops now

2476
02:36:05,880 --> 02:36:09,300
going over to standby because
that's what this is all about.

2477
02:36:10,470 --> 02:36:13,170
It's the Saudis and the
Iranians. They hate each other.

2478
02:36:14,070 --> 02:36:15,990
at a fundamental level.

2479
02:36:17,160 --> 02:36:20,760
Yeah. Well, fundamental
fundamental. The religions are

2480
02:36:20,790 --> 02:36:21,600
disparate.

2481
02:36:21,660 --> 02:36:23,460
Well, I call that fundamental.

2482
02:36:23,789 --> 02:36:26,099
Yeah. Fundamental fundamental.
Yes.

2483
02:36:27,180 --> 02:36:30,240
Damn, well, maybe maybe he's
holding this on. I mean, he's

2484
02:36:30,240 --> 02:36:34,440
has the President has said
consistently he, hey, we want to

2485
02:36:34,440 --> 02:36:35,070
talk. We want to

2486
02:36:35,580 --> 02:36:38,760
talk to him. Yeah. He's one of
the few that deck she will go

2487
02:36:38,760 --> 02:36:43,050
talk to people who stepped in
North Korea. Well,

2488
02:36:44,280 --> 02:36:48,060
this, to me is almost a no
brainer. Except, again, what do

2489
02:36:48,060 --> 02:36:50,580
we deal with Saudi Arabia? Let's
you and I think this through

2490
02:36:50,580 --> 02:36:53,310
because a part of Saudi Arabia

2491
02:36:53,310 --> 02:36:57,390
doesn't want to want Iran to be
a nuclear power.

2492
02:36:57,420 --> 02:37:04,200
They also don't want him in the
oil market. I think they can

2493
02:37:04,200 --> 02:37:04,590
both be

2494
02:37:04,590 --> 02:37:07,680
in the oil market. But maybe
it's just the oil, but they're

2495
02:37:07,680 --> 02:37:10,770
not the big players. I mean,
Saudi Arabia still is the big

2496
02:37:10,770 --> 02:37:12,240
plus the big dog.

2497
02:37:12,540 --> 02:37:15,420
I thought we were the big dog
now. Well,

2498
02:37:15,450 --> 02:37:18,540
we actually were pumping like
crazy, but I think in terms of

2499
02:37:19,200 --> 02:37:23,520
reserves, but our reserves
usually count include the shale

2500
02:37:23,520 --> 02:37:27,060
and all the rest of the stuff. I
don't think we have just a raw

2501
02:37:27,120 --> 02:37:29,730
oil as much as Saudi Arabia. I'd
have to look into it. I don't

2502
02:37:29,730 --> 02:37:30,330
know for sure. Now,

2503
02:37:30,330 --> 02:37:33,030
that's a great clip. I'm keeping
that on standby, because the

2504
02:37:33,030 --> 02:37:37,110
guy's very clear. He's saying it
right there. Hey, we can fix

2505
02:37:37,110 --> 02:37:41,130
this right now. You want to be
hero, be a hero. And by the way,

2506
02:37:41,880 --> 02:37:45,480
I'm pretty sure that Trump gave
operational control of that

2507
02:37:45,480 --> 02:37:48,780
region to the Brits right. He
said hey, you guys take care of

2508
02:37:48,780 --> 02:37:51,600
that you guard that we're now
we're no longer operationally

2509
02:37:51,600 --> 02:37:54,990
controlling anything in that
area if I'm not mistaken

2510
02:37:54,990 --> 02:37:58,530
possible. I think he gave that
he said okay, Brits it by the

2511
02:37:58,530 --> 02:38:02,520
way, we have no real dog in the
hunt, other than protecting the

2512
02:38:02,520 --> 02:38:07,860
damn Saudis for some reason.
Now, even after we know that all

2513
02:38:07,860 --> 02:38:11,490
the 911 hijackers pretty much
came from Saudi Arabia, some for

2514
02:38:11,490 --> 02:38:14,670
some reason, we're still
protected. There's

2515
02:38:14,670 --> 02:38:17,430
a reason we just don't know
exactly what it is. Now, there

2516
02:38:17,430 --> 02:38:19,110
was a shooting in Tokyo.

2517
02:38:19,170 --> 02:38:22,560
Can I just stay with with that
for one second, because I can

2518
02:38:22,560 --> 02:38:26,430
get right into the 911 victims
compensation fund with a follow

2519
02:38:26,430 --> 02:38:32,280
up to my to what we talked about
on the last show. Also, this is

2520
02:38:32,280 --> 02:38:32,940
very much

2521
02:38:32,940 --> 02:38:35,970
right. This is the John Stuart
Yes.

2522
02:38:36,000 --> 02:38:37,440
The John Stuart has changed

2523
02:38:37,830 --> 02:38:38,670
the debate.

2524
02:38:38,730 --> 02:38:42,630
Yes, he consistently is called
it the first responders fund

2525
02:38:42,630 --> 02:38:45,990
when it doesn't it is the
victims compensation fund that

2526
02:38:45,990 --> 02:38:49,110
is for much more than first
responders as we're about to

2527
02:38:49,110 --> 02:38:54,210
learn. This is very much a third
rail like talking about if

2528
02:38:54,210 --> 02:38:56,970
you're talking about Jeffrey
Epstein and how possibly there's

2529
02:38:56,970 --> 02:39:01,620
an agency it may be Mossad and
we didn't really even say it but

2530
02:39:02,550 --> 02:39:06,960
that were anti Semites, Jew
haters, you know, you talk about

2531
02:39:06,960 --> 02:39:12,540
911 your asshole, although many
people Yeah, I think Carly

2532
02:39:12,540 --> 02:39:16,170
pretty plus more on Twitter is
she's she got what I was trying

2533
02:39:16,170 --> 02:39:18,840
to saying said hey, you know,
there's so many disasters that

2534
02:39:18,840 --> 02:39:23,790
take place, you know, Katrina,
or the BP disaster, you know,

2535
02:39:24,150 --> 02:39:27,240
where does the compensation and
for those people well, much

2536
02:39:27,240 --> 02:39:31,530
quicker, much shorter notices.
And so why? Why is this fund not

2537
02:39:31,530 --> 02:39:36,420
only been in place, according to
I got some numbers here follow

2538
02:39:36,420 --> 02:39:43,860
up numbers. According to the Los
Angeles Times, The fund has

2539
02:39:43,860 --> 02:39:49,500
already paid out $38 billion
dollars to 911 victims. Someone

2540
02:39:49,500 --> 02:39:54,630
else reminded me that back in
the day this was also quietly

2541
02:39:54,630 --> 02:40:00,120
called the airline bailout fund.
The reason for that is you If

2542
02:40:00,120 --> 02:40:03,840
you took money from the victim's
compensation fund, you signed

2543
02:40:03,840 --> 02:40:08,610
away your right to sue the
airlines or participate in any

2544
02:40:08,640 --> 02:40:12,120
action suit against them, the
airlines, not everyone took the

2545
02:40:12,120 --> 02:40:15,510
victim compensation fund money
and did sue the airlines,

2546
02:40:15,510 --> 02:40:19,320
they've been billions has been
paid out. But the fear was

2547
02:40:19,350 --> 02:40:22,920
amongst other things, that you
needed to have this fund in

2548
02:40:22,920 --> 02:40:26,490
place, otherwise the airlines
would have been bankrupted. And,

2549
02:40:26,940 --> 02:40:29,790
and they might not have ever
gotten out of that hole, which

2550
02:40:29,790 --> 02:40:32,820
would have been another issue
for I guess, our national

2551
02:40:32,820 --> 02:40:37,140
security and our transportation,
security, etc. To hate all you

2552
02:40:37,140 --> 02:40:41,250
want on me, I'm just trying to
give you some facts. We two

2553
02:40:41,640 --> 02:40:45,210
short pieces of testimony that
are pertinent to this fund and

2554
02:40:46,500 --> 02:40:49,410
where the all you've probably
heard on the news is,

2555
02:40:49,680 --> 02:40:52,560
that asshole Grandpa doesn't
want to give money to both the

2556
02:40:52,560 --> 02:40:53,190
first as far

2557
02:40:55,110 --> 02:41:00,210
as little more behind it. Let's
find out first about the

2558
02:41:00,210 --> 02:41:05,820
program. Okay, there are three
changes as this is about to be

2559
02:41:05,820 --> 02:41:09,930
re upped. And these changes are
extremely important. And I think

2560
02:41:09,930 --> 02:41:15,540
the reason why some people are
questioning to what end there

2561
02:41:15,540 --> 02:41:15,810
have

2562
02:41:15,810 --> 02:41:21,240
been, I think four major changes
for I'm sorry, in the VCF over

2563
02:41:21,240 --> 02:41:24,960
the last few years from what
Congress saw when it last we

2564
02:41:24,960 --> 02:41:30,030
authorized this bill in 2015 and
allocated the $7.375 billion

2565
02:41:30,030 --> 02:41:33,600
dollars. The first is that the
total number of claims that have

2566
02:41:33,600 --> 02:41:37,830
been filed has increased
significantly. In the first five

2567
02:41:37,830 --> 02:41:42,570
years of the fund from 2011 to
2016, we had just over 19,000

2568
02:41:42,570 --> 02:41:46,320
compensation forms filed. In the
last two and a half years, we've

2569
02:41:46,320 --> 02:41:51,480
received 28,000 More, and the
reasons for those I think are

2570
02:41:51,480 --> 02:41:56,130
three. The first is that there
is a significant increase in the

2571
02:41:56,130 --> 02:42:00,000
number of claims being filed on
behalf of victims who have died

2572
02:42:00,240 --> 02:42:04,020
as a result of their 911 related
conditions as we get further

2573
02:42:04,020 --> 02:42:08,880
away from the attacks. But as
the seriousness of the illnesses

2574
02:42:08,880 --> 02:42:12,270
become more apparent, we see
more and more of these claims.

2575
02:42:12,300 --> 02:42:16,770
At the end of 2015, we had just
600 deceased claims, we now have

2576
02:42:16,770 --> 02:42:21,300
well over 2000 of them. The
second thing is that the number

2577
02:42:21,330 --> 02:42:24,360
of claimants with cancer
conditions continues to

2578
02:42:24,360 --> 02:42:29,550
increase, we have found over
8800 claimants eligible because

2579
02:42:29,550 --> 02:42:34,920
of a cancer condition. And we
have made over 7500 awards due

2580
02:42:34,920 --> 02:42:39,390
to cancers. In 2015, we have
seen only a fraction of that

2581
02:42:39,390 --> 02:42:43,080
number. And the third is that we
are seeing a substantial

2582
02:42:43,080 --> 02:42:47,220
increase in claims filed by the
survivor community. Those who

2583
02:42:47,220 --> 02:42:51,360
lived worked or went to school
in the area. In the first five

2584
02:42:51,360 --> 02:42:55,560
years of the program survivor
claims were just 14% of the

2585
02:42:55,560 --> 02:43:00,270
awards that were made. Now they
account for almost 40% of the

2586
02:43:00,270 --> 02:43:03,630
claims that are being filed. And
we think that's due to two

2587
02:43:03,630 --> 02:43:06,990
things. The first are the
increase in cancer rates. And

2588
02:43:06,990 --> 02:43:09,810
the second is that the VCF
suffered from a significant

2589
02:43:09,810 --> 02:43:13,410
information gap in the early
years of the program. Many, many

2590
02:43:13,410 --> 02:43:16,530
people in the New York area were
under the assumption that the

2591
02:43:16,530 --> 02:43:20,460
program was only for first
responders. And as we have been

2592
02:43:20,460 --> 02:43:22,980
able to do more outreach as the
World Trade Center Health

2593
02:43:22,980 --> 02:43:26,490
Program has been able to do more
outreach, partly because of the

2594
02:43:26,490 --> 02:43:30,060
reauthorization of the bill in
2015. We have been able to reach

2595
02:43:30,090 --> 02:43:33,450
more people who are sick, more
people who are dying, and those

2596
02:43:33,450 --> 02:43:35,700
claims are now coming in. So
there's

2597
02:43:35,700 --> 02:43:39,600
some new information in there
that I was not aware of that

2598
02:43:39,600 --> 02:43:43,830
cancers are Did you got cancer,
and I guess you can then prove

2599
02:43:43,830 --> 02:43:47,340
it was from 911. And by the way,
let's not sue Silverstein or

2600
02:43:47,340 --> 02:43:50,760
anybody who had asbestos in the
buildings, you know, let's

2601
02:43:50,910 --> 02:43:53,940
forget about the give it from
the American people. I think

2602
02:43:53,940 --> 02:43:56,910
that's what the Los Angeles
Times is trying to say is that

2603
02:43:57,090 --> 02:44:00,360
even though the initial budget
was 7.6 billion, they've

2604
02:44:00,390 --> 02:44:03,630
promised all this money to
people, and it's totaling up to

2605
02:44:04,020 --> 02:44:09,180
quote 38 I think it's higher
than that billion dollars. The

2606
02:44:09,210 --> 02:44:13,470
the way that they calculate a
lot of these, it's also it's I

2607
02:44:13,470 --> 02:44:17,640
guess it's fair, but isn't
really calculate these payments.

2608
02:44:17,940 --> 02:44:26,670
So if you were a fireman, and
you died on 911, you were making

2609
02:44:26,700 --> 02:44:30,810
35,000, maybe $40,000 a year,
they will calculate what you

2610
02:44:30,930 --> 02:44:33,660
would have made at that same
level over your lifetime

2611
02:44:33,660 --> 02:44:36,390
adjusted for inflation, and
that's your that's the payment

2612
02:44:36,390 --> 02:44:40,470
to your widow your descendants.
If you were a hedge fund

2613
02:44:40,470 --> 02:44:43,530
manager, you already understand
what happened some of those

2614
02:44:43,530 --> 02:44:50,430
people, some widows and orphans
received seven $8 million for a

2615
02:44:50,430 --> 02:44:54,120
life but because that life
apparently was making more money

2616
02:44:54,150 --> 02:44:57,510
it's worth more than another
life that went in on almost

2617
02:44:57,510 --> 02:45:01,020
slave wages to go and save
people. So by itself I can

2618
02:45:01,020 --> 02:45:03,570
understand where there's anger
from John Stuart, but it may be

2619
02:45:03,570 --> 02:45:06,330
middle of misdirected. And I
think it's unfair of him to

2620
02:45:06,330 --> 02:45:10,080
focus it only on the first
responders to the second clip.

2621
02:45:10,380 --> 02:45:14,730
Short one here is, how many do
they expect to enter the program

2622
02:45:14,730 --> 02:45:18,630
because it is now open ended as
it stands. That's why Rand Paul

2623
02:45:18,630 --> 02:45:21,660
is saying Hold on a second. How
are we going to pay for this

2624
02:45:21,660 --> 02:45:25,020
because it specifically states
in the bill, this does not fall

2625
02:45:25,020 --> 02:45:30,210
under the pay and go system. And
the pay go system says, if you

2626
02:45:30,240 --> 02:45:32,790
are going to pay something out,
you have to show where the money

2627
02:45:32,790 --> 02:45:35,910
is going to come from right
away, that pretty much means

2628
02:45:35,910 --> 02:45:38,460
you're gonna have to scrap
something else. And that is

2629
02:45:38,460 --> 02:45:42,750
excluded from this by law in the
language of the law. So how big

2630
02:45:42,750 --> 02:45:43,860
can it get? How many

2631
02:45:43,860 --> 02:45:46,320
more people do you think could
be at risk of developing 911

2632
02:45:46,320 --> 02:45:50,070
related illnesses, including
cancers in the next 25 to 50

2633
02:45:50,070 --> 02:45:54,150
years? And is it possible to
know, the exact number of people

2634
02:45:54,150 --> 02:45:56,190
will develop illnesses at this
point in time,

2635
02:45:56,760 --> 02:45:59,940
it's not possible to know the
exact number. But based on the

2636
02:45:59,940 --> 02:46:04,560
rates that are increasing, there
are going to be 10 to 20,000.

2637
02:46:04,560 --> 02:46:06,090
More cancers, I would estimate

2638
02:46:06,330 --> 02:46:09,360
the 20,000. More cancers, yes,
because other diseases,

2639
02:46:09,630 --> 02:46:14,130
plus other diseases. And as we
heard about sarcoidosis, which

2640
02:46:14,130 --> 02:46:18,120
is a fairly rare disease, but as
common in World Trade Center,

2641
02:46:18,330 --> 02:46:25,020
exposed individuals, we're going
to see folks who have lung

2642
02:46:25,020 --> 02:46:28,230
diseases that may require lung
transplants or have already been

2643
02:46:28,230 --> 02:46:30,570
a number of individuals in the
World Trade Center Health

2644
02:46:30,570 --> 02:46:34,980
programs that have required lung
transplants due to scarring of

2645
02:46:34,980 --> 02:46:38,820
the lungs, from the glass and
the the concrete and everything

2646
02:46:38,820 --> 02:46:41,250
else that caused a reaction in
their lungs.

2647
02:46:41,400 --> 02:46:44,280
So it's an order of magnitude.
You said, What about 30 40,000?

2648
02:46:44,280 --> 02:46:44,640
Maybe,

2649
02:46:44,970 --> 02:46:48,120
you know, it's it's hard to
predict but based on the rates

2650
02:46:48,150 --> 02:46:51,090
and the number of folks that
were exposed to it, that number

2651
02:46:51,090 --> 02:47:02,160
is is accurate. There you go.
You're paying for it. Seems so

2652
02:47:02,190 --> 02:47:03,030
seems so

2653
02:47:03,270 --> 02:47:07,470
I find it to be yet. I didn't
know it was so broad. Well, I

2654
02:47:07,470 --> 02:47:10,560
didn't know that anyone who
didn't get Jon Stewart gets

2655
02:47:10,560 --> 02:47:14,640
cancer 20 years later can still
claim that it's 911 related. I

2656
02:47:14,640 --> 02:47:17,370
don't know cancer rates are on
the rise is all I've heard

2657
02:47:17,820 --> 02:47:22,020
across the across America across
the world. So we'll pay for it

2658
02:47:22,020 --> 02:47:23,670
with that, somehow.

2659
02:47:24,539 --> 02:47:28,469
Yeah. Health care changes could
make a difference in that

2660
02:47:28,469 --> 02:47:32,579
regard. I think that may be
taken into account. So there's

2661
02:47:32,579 --> 02:47:35,909
two clips they have left have
the final clip. But they do have

2662
02:47:35,909 --> 02:47:39,149
this mass shooting clip. That's
another example of democracy now

2663
02:47:39,149 --> 02:47:41,579
playing a story nobody else
plays or at least an element of

2664
02:47:41,579 --> 02:47:44,489
a story. Nobody else plays but
then again, they ought to go and

2665
02:47:44,489 --> 02:47:48,809
do it. So I have no idea. What
the hell hell's going on. Indian

2666
02:47:48,809 --> 02:47:52,559
guys, Tokyo, Tokyo mass shooting
in

2667
02:47:52,560 --> 02:47:55,860
Kyoto, Japan. 33 people were
killed Thursday after a man

2668
02:47:55,860 --> 02:47:59,670
burst into an animation studio
douse the three storey building

2669
02:47:59,670 --> 02:48:04,350
with a flammable liquid and set
it on fire. Police arrested a 41

2670
02:48:04,350 --> 02:48:07,230
year old man after the arson
attack on the Kyoto Animation

2671
02:48:07,230 --> 02:48:10,620
company. Witnesses reportedly
heard the suspect shout they

2672
02:48:10,620 --> 02:48:14,640
stole my ideas and they copied
my novel because police arrested

2673
02:48:14,640 --> 02:48:16,950
him if convicted. The man could
face the death penalty.

2674
02:48:17,010 --> 02:48:21,270
Well that's the first I'm
hearing of that. And yeah, I

2675
02:48:21,270 --> 02:48:23,250
didn't know that he was claiming
copyright.

2676
02:48:25,020 --> 02:48:27,690
Yeah, nobody else reported that
they just reported that some

2677
02:48:27,690 --> 02:48:34,050
maniac goes good gun control.
Wow. Yeah, but now there's no

2678
02:48:34,050 --> 02:48:36,450
details what's the details
something somebody must talk to

2679
02:48:36,450 --> 02:48:41,490
this guy What did he What
specifically did they steal? No.

2680
02:48:42,300 --> 02:48:44,580
I don't know. There's no
reporting there.

2681
02:48:45,600 --> 02:48:52,170
It's I guess it's kind of worth
it would have been nose nice to

2682
02:48:52,170 --> 02:48:53,520
know I guess

2683
02:48:53,790 --> 02:48:55,830
I'm just maybe somebody would
come up with something somewhere

2684
02:48:55,830 --> 02:48:59,010
somehow. So you have any more
clips because I do have one

2685
02:48:59,010 --> 02:49:01,080
finishing clip. I think a wrap
the show nicely.

2686
02:49:01,140 --> 02:49:02,700
I'm ready to wrap if you are
sir.

2687
02:49:03,510 --> 02:49:07,980
So this is Walter Cronkite in
1969 is kind of an inspiration

2688
02:49:07,980 --> 02:49:10,290
at least to me. This is an
inspirational commentary because

2689
02:49:10,290 --> 02:49:12,120
we didn't talk about the
moonshot today because it's not

2690
02:49:12,120 --> 02:49:14,820
really something we've talked
about it before. And it was a

2691
02:49:14,820 --> 02:49:17,550
celebration where we you know,
everyone made a big deal. Right

2692
02:49:17,550 --> 02:49:20,400
from this one clip that I
thought was you know, it was it

2693
02:49:20,400 --> 02:49:24,270
addresses concerns. It's got an
element of futility that I think

2694
02:49:24,270 --> 02:49:29,250
applies to you in particular.
Okay. And I just found it very

2695
02:49:29,250 --> 02:49:33,720
inspirational because this is a
1969 This is Walter Cronkite

2696
02:49:33,750 --> 02:49:39,840
talking about the the late
takeoff of the moon shot the

2697
02:49:39,900 --> 02:49:41,280
Saturn five rocket

2698
02:49:41,339 --> 02:49:44,849
reporting now from CBS News
Apollo headquarters at Kennedy

2699
02:49:44,849 --> 02:49:47,639
Space Center correspondent
Walter Cronkite

2700
02:49:48,720 --> 02:49:52,590
they resumed the countdown on
schedule two minutes after the

2701
02:49:52,590 --> 02:49:56,070
hour, which puts them three
hours at that time and 30

2702
02:49:56,070 --> 02:49:59,820
minutes, three hours and 30
minutes from lunchtime. 9:32am

2703
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:04,890
Ever since they first rolled the
Saturn five out of the Vehicle

2704
02:50:04,890 --> 02:50:08,220
Assembly Building right by us
here at the press site three

2705
02:50:08,220 --> 02:50:11,490
miles from the launch pad, put
it on that big launcher to take

2706
02:50:11,490 --> 02:50:15,150
it out to the pad things have
gone exceedingly well with the

2707
02:50:15,150 --> 02:50:19,140
flight of Apollo 11. There have
been only one or two small

2708
02:50:19,140 --> 02:50:25,350
glitches Oh, thank you.

2709
02:50:25,740 --> 02:50:28,620
It was the adrenaline shot. I
needed to come back and do it

2710
02:50:28,620 --> 02:50:29,910
all over again on Thursday.

2711
02:50:30,359 --> 02:50:33,659
1969 the first glitch

2712
02:50:33,690 --> 02:50:37,200
bowl crap statement by Walter
Cronkite. Thank you very much.

2713
02:50:38,760 --> 02:50:45,690
Nailed it. It's just a glitch.
Who cares? That will do it for

2714
02:50:45,750 --> 02:50:50,610
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2715
02:50:50,610 --> 02:50:54,960
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2716
02:50:54,960 --> 02:50:59,640
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2717
02:50:59,850 --> 02:51:05,760
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2718
02:51:05,760 --> 02:51:08,730
coming to you from the frontier
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2719
02:51:08,730 --> 02:51:12,810
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governmental maps. Here I am

2720
02:51:12,810 --> 02:51:14,910
saying in the morning, everybody
I'm Adam curry.

2721
02:51:15,270 --> 02:51:18,240
I'm from Northern Silicon
Valley. I'm John C. Dvorak

2722
02:51:18,600 --> 02:51:21,690
coming up next on no agenda
stream we've got talk story

2723
02:51:21,690 --> 02:51:26,250
number 32 Eating birthday in
celebration of Dame Carolyn, and

2724
02:51:26,250 --> 02:51:30,660
thank you to our end of show
mixers, Gallup, Tom Starkweather

2725
02:51:30,750 --> 02:51:36,300
and circumference until
Thursday, everybody Yeah, I do

2726
02:51:36,300 --> 02:51:50,010
smell those and such where we
are in time to the Zephyr or

2727
02:51:50,010 --> 02:51:50,430
what

2728
02:51:50,520 --> 02:51:55,110
we started the whole thing, just
as this appeared is a 10 car

2729
02:51:55,110 --> 02:51:59,190
train to for some reason. I kept
seeing these 10 car trains for

2730
02:51:59,190 --> 02:52:02,490
the last week and I'm thinking
as I'm looking at these trains

2731
02:52:02,520 --> 02:52:04,740
again, why do they take cars
over so they've always been

2732
02:52:04,770 --> 02:52:14,220
81234? It's not early I'm
hearing in Hong Kong. I think

2733
02:52:14,220 --> 02:52:17,100
it's going to Well, I mean, I
can hear the honk from

2734
02:52:17,160 --> 02:52:22,860
Emeryville this morning. They
got on these days for signing

2735
02:52:22,860 --> 02:52:33,450
tomorrow there's going to be a
staffer right on it whatever the

2736
02:52:33,450 --> 02:52:34,440
Judy there goes

2737
02:52:39,630 --> 02:52:48,990
going for the thank goodness
there we go. Omar she is a

2738
02:52:49,320 --> 02:53:01,830
really pretty beautiful All I
heard was

2739
02:53:05,430 --> 02:53:10,380
Why do I dislike you? Swing
enough feel so

2740
02:53:10,740 --> 02:53:21,240
she would be a model all I heard
was difficult. I forgot.

2741
02:53:22,770 --> 02:53:37,800
Everything else she has gorgeous
teachers.

2742
02:53:39,060 --> 02:53:44,430
I want everyone to spread the
word to all of your friends all

2743
02:53:44,430 --> 02:53:47,280
of your neighbors but everyone
knows that we need a clean place

2744
02:53:47,280 --> 02:53:50,610
to be they can come here. If you
can just stay cool.

2745
02:53:51,720 --> 02:53:55,080
Get some fans to stay cool. Some
people just don't know where to

2746
02:53:55,080 --> 02:53:58,140
turn to stay cool. This summer
scorcher turning downright

2747
02:53:58,140 --> 02:53:58,980
dangerous.

2748
02:53:59,010 --> 02:54:02,820
Look at these temperatures,
triple digits, and in some

2749
02:54:02,820 --> 02:54:05,910
places. The scorching heat and
humidity are gonna get worse on

2750
02:54:05,910 --> 02:54:07,260
the hottest day of the year.

2751
02:54:07,289 --> 02:54:09,329
People are not the only ones
feeling this heat so are

2752
02:54:09,329 --> 02:54:11,519
utilities, which means while
you're gonna feel the heat

2753
02:54:11,580 --> 02:54:14,340
today, the feel like temperature
in half the country will be over

2754
02:54:14,340 --> 02:54:18,540
100 degrees, no relief for 190
million of us this weekend. I

2755
02:54:18,540 --> 02:54:18,780
think

2756
02:54:18,780 --> 02:54:21,360
right now we're gonna challenge
our infrastructure unlike

2757
02:54:21,360 --> 02:54:23,100
anything we've had in years.

2758
02:54:23,130 --> 02:54:25,800
Over the next few minutes, I'm
gonna see what happens to the

2759
02:54:25,800 --> 02:54:28,140
human body as it starts heating
up,

2760
02:54:28,560 --> 02:54:31,710
wear loose fitting clothing,
usable spritzes water on your

2761
02:54:31,710 --> 02:54:36,690
face works cold showers cold
that continuous is going to be

2762
02:54:36,690 --> 02:54:39,570
polar caps, and no wind

2763
02:54:40,170 --> 02:54:43,650
in the future. It's going to be
hotter and worse and we do need

2764
02:54:43,650 --> 02:54:45,570
to read

2765
02:54:48,690 --> 02:54:50,700
from this day forward,

2766
02:54:50,850 --> 02:54:57,330
it's going to be only America
first America first

2767
02:55:19,470 --> 02:55:23,640
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2768
02:55:24,539 --> 02:55:27,389
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