1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,800 Adam Curry: Haha, he's going down. 2 00:00:02,070 --> 00:00:04,080 Unknown: Adam curry, John C. Dvorak. 3 00:00:04,110 --> 00:00:07,350 Adam Curry: Sunday, July 7 2019. This is your award winning get 4 00:00:07,350 --> 00:00:10,500 my nation media assassination episode 1153. 5 00:00:10,740 --> 00:00:12,540 Unknown: This is no agenda. 6 00:00:13,559 --> 00:00:16,289 Adam Curry: Watching girls bang their heads and broadcasting 7 00:00:16,289 --> 00:00:18,779 live from the frontier of Austin, Texas Capitol, the drone 8 00:00:18,779 --> 00:00:21,689 Star State in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry, 9 00:00:21,959 --> 00:00:24,239 John C. Dvorak: and from Northern Silicon Valley words. 10 00:00:24,599 --> 00:00:27,959 Well, it's not everywhere else, but it's not hot here. It's 60 11 00:00:27,989 --> 00:00:31,139 I'm John C. Devorah. Buzzkill. 12 00:00:32,759 --> 00:00:35,159 Adam Curry: And we've been having 98 days here. 13 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:39,120 John C. Dvorak: It's been freezing all July. Yeah, 14 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:44,670 Adam Curry: well, yesterday, our air conditioner went up. Why is 15 00:00:44,670 --> 00:00:51,540 that funny? cheap ones. Oh, okay. All right, Dvorak. It's 16 00:00:51,540 --> 00:00:53,850 what I could afford on the donations we get. 17 00:00:53,879 --> 00:00:56,429 John C. Dvorak: Okay. Well, it's considering today's donations. 18 00:00:56,429 --> 00:00:59,789 I'm surprised you can even afford to buy anything. So 19 00:01:01,230 --> 00:01:03,240 Adam Curry: first of all, let's let's just start with important 20 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:09,690 news. How was your experience with the quake? Like no quake, 21 00:01:09,690 --> 00:01:10,890 you didn't feel anything? 22 00:01:12,540 --> 00:01:14,280 John C. Dvorak: You know, this is the funny thing. This is the 23 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:19,650 classic. You know, there's some fires like, you know, 100 miles 24 00:01:19,650 --> 00:01:21,240 from here, you guys. Okay? 25 00:01:21,570 --> 00:01:24,480 Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. Look, I'm just saying that people in Vegas 26 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:25,350 felt the quake. 27 00:01:25,710 --> 00:01:29,730 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, they sure they did. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Phil 28 00:01:29,730 --> 00:01:32,760 feeling the quake. It's just like some just little, a little 29 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,060 nothing is not you know, I suppose you could feel that's 30 00:01:36,060 --> 00:01:40,320 because the quake was closer to Vegas than it was to Los Angeles 31 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:44,370 at Dunkirk can't get over these. Okay. Oh, Southern California, 32 00:01:44,370 --> 00:01:49,980 Southern California. This is the middle of the Mojave Desert. No, 33 00:01:49,980 --> 00:01:54,690 it's 150 Miles minimum from Los Angeles. This is like from me, 34 00:01:55,140 --> 00:02:00,330 having a quake and having a, you know, Sacramento to San 35 00:02:00,330 --> 00:02:06,210 Francisco Bay Area's 90 miles. 150 Miles is another 60 miles 36 00:02:06,210 --> 00:02:09,510 further. Okay. It's ridiculous that people are making this 37 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:10,140 okay. It's 38 00:02:10,140 --> 00:02:13,200 Adam Curry: just asked, okay, get on Twitter. 39 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,510 John C. Dvorak: Do what you did. You touched a nerve. I 40 00:02:15,510 --> 00:02:18,960 Adam Curry: did get on Twitter and rage tweet about it. There's 41 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:19,290 somebody 42 00:02:19,290 --> 00:02:21,300 John C. Dvorak: that's here's something that's very peculiar 43 00:02:21,300 --> 00:02:26,880 that you never heard about which I have a clip. Oh. Well, while 44 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:31,740 this was going on, there's been quakes up in Canada around BC. I 45 00:02:31,740 --> 00:02:33,510 get the BC quakes clip 46 00:02:33,540 --> 00:02:36,450 Unknown: of three earthquakes rattled the BC Coast today, all 47 00:02:36,450 --> 00:02:39,720 of them significant and all of them classified by seismologists 48 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,290 as aftershocks to a quake that hit earlier this week on 49 00:02:43,290 --> 00:02:47,820 Wednesday. So that quake here was a magnitude 6.2 felt 50 00:02:47,820 --> 00:02:51,300 hundreds of kilometers away. And here early this morning, there 51 00:02:51,300 --> 00:02:57,900 was a 4.7 a five, six and 4.6 all within the space of about 10 52 00:02:57,900 --> 00:03:01,740 minutes. And all that comes less than a day after another quick 53 00:03:01,740 --> 00:03:05,460 and unrelated one, rocking Southern California. It's a 54 00:03:05,460 --> 00:03:08,610 reminder that on the West Coast, bad news can always be right 55 00:03:08,610 --> 00:03:12,450 around the corner. So the CDC center Fletcher explores just 56 00:03:12,450 --> 00:03:13,950 how prepared we are. 57 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,630 freeze dried food it's prebuilt survival kits its water 58 00:03:18,630 --> 00:03:21,510 filtration or storage. This for example is our 59 00:03:21,540 --> 00:03:24,900 venue platinum sells earthquake hits at the total prepare store 60 00:03:24,900 --> 00:03:28,230 in Victoria. She says sales tend to go up every time there's a 61 00:03:28,230 --> 00:03:29,460 significant earthquake. 62 00:03:29,490 --> 00:03:31,920 Yeah, we've been seeing a bit more foot traffic and a few more 63 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:34,560 phone ins with questions and things on my traffic's ticked up 64 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:35,700 a little bit. Yeah, the earthquakes 65 00:03:35,700 --> 00:03:38,940 are how it stems from the series of morning aftershocks off BC 66 00:03:38,940 --> 00:03:43,290 Central Coast enough to jolt Sam out of bed. Now, 67 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,010 Adam Curry: since they changed the scale, we really have no 68 00:03:47,010 --> 00:03:52,740 idea what it means because I recall the Washington DC quake. 69 00:03:53,550 --> 00:03:54,480 John C. Dvorak: No. Hey, I 70 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:59,100 Adam Curry: was there. Yeah, it was it cracked the Washington 71 00:03:59,100 --> 00:04:01,170 Monument. Do you mean you don't remember this question? I 72 00:04:01,170 --> 00:04:02,640 John C. Dvorak: remember the cracking of the Washington 73 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:03,570 Monument. Yes. 74 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,650 Adam Curry: So do you mean just see what what because I remember 75 00:04:07,650 --> 00:04:08,640 that one. I wonder 76 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,870 John C. Dvorak: if all these quakes done in the Mojave? They 77 00:04:12,870 --> 00:04:16,800 showed us some videos. And this some of those videos are pretty 78 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,670 violent. Yes. Of the stores and I'm thinking this was supposed 79 00:04:20,670 --> 00:04:24,990 to be a six two or is this the 557171 80 00:04:24,990 --> 00:04:26,040 Adam Curry: is what they said it was 81 00:04:27,990 --> 00:04:30,240 John C. Dvorak: seven ones bothersome that they've changed. 82 00:04:31,020 --> 00:04:35,580 Adam Curry: I'm looking at the August 23 2011 magnitude 5.8 83 00:04:35,610 --> 00:04:39,990 earthquake Now does this before they changed to the momentous 84 00:04:39,990 --> 00:04:42,780 bit changed for years and years. Well, this is eight years ago. 85 00:04:42,780 --> 00:04:44,340 So I'm asking was this line thing? 86 00:04:44,340 --> 00:04:46,170 John C. Dvorak: It's still after the change I needed to change. 87 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:46,590 Okay, so 88 00:04:46,590 --> 00:04:49,740 Adam Curry: the 5.8 was pretty significant. I remember that 89 00:04:49,740 --> 00:04:55,800 one. I was there. So a 7.1. Change. Yeah, we've talked about 90 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:55,890 it. 91 00:04:55,890 --> 00:04:57,930 John C. Dvorak: Rosie Hennessy. Yeah, we definitely we haven't 92 00:04:57,930 --> 00:05:01,380 talked about we bitch about it constantly. So you have a 6.2 93 00:05:01,380 --> 00:05:05,220 and BC area, it's off the coast. But that doesn't mean anything 94 00:05:05,220 --> 00:05:07,590 compared to we just as useless. 95 00:05:08,820 --> 00:05:11,640 Adam Curry: The thing that I is interesting is the location of 96 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:16,380 these quakes in California. It's not the San Andreas fault. No, 97 00:05:16,380 --> 00:05:16,470 it's 98 00:05:16,470 --> 00:05:17,880 John C. Dvorak: nowhere near it is 99 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:22,050 Adam Curry: right near the actually not. It's almost on the 100 00:05:22,050 --> 00:05:24,300 China Lake weapons test site. 101 00:05:24,990 --> 00:05:25,770 John C. Dvorak: Yes, 102 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:26,850 Adam Curry: I hate to say it. 103 00:05:28,590 --> 00:05:29,370 John C. Dvorak: I hate to say it, 104 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,740 Adam Curry: I love to say it. What are we doing there? are we 105 00:05:31,740 --> 00:05:35,400 testing the earthquake machine again? Or did you guys bore too 106 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,480 many's up too many tunnels, the DC thing I kind of understood, 107 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,600 you know, with all the secret train tunnels everywhere. And 108 00:05:42,930 --> 00:05:45,990 some even claim that they've, you know, tunnels or trains that 109 00:05:45,990 --> 00:05:50,670 go all the way to Colorado, to the backup site. Yeah, we've 110 00:05:50,670 --> 00:05:53,580 heard this. We don't know if it's true. But if you start 111 00:05:53,580 --> 00:05:57,720 drilling around in the earth, and you know, you can get stuff 112 00:05:57,750 --> 00:06:00,870 going wacky. Look at the northern part of Holland, 113 00:06:00,870 --> 00:06:01,410 Estonia. 114 00:06:03,180 --> 00:06:05,550 John C. Dvorak: That's because of the fracking, right? 115 00:06:06,060 --> 00:06:09,660 Adam Curry: That's because of fracking. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, 116 00:06:10,050 --> 00:06:12,300 John C. Dvorak: that gets out of control up there that Holland 117 00:06:12,300 --> 00:06:14,730 dairy where the fracking is just going nuts, 118 00:06:14,730 --> 00:06:16,890 Adam Curry: nothing, nothing, nothing like nothing like the 119 00:06:16,890 --> 00:06:20,760 7.1 I spoke to people in California who you know, I lived 120 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,040 in Los Angeles. I live in San Francisco. I don't think I've 121 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,920 really witnessed any earthquakes when I was in San Francisco and 122 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:32,340 Los Angeles several. And you get real blase as a fan and whatever 123 00:06:32,340 --> 00:06:33,750 is a quakes fine. Well, even 124 00:06:33,750 --> 00:06:35,400 John C. Dvorak: when you witness them, you still you still 125 00:06:35,820 --> 00:06:38,820 Adam Curry: get blase, but the people I spoke to were like this 126 00:06:38,820 --> 00:06:44,190 was a little more than then the blase type feeling. Some people 127 00:06:44,190 --> 00:06:45,480 were rattled by this one. 128 00:06:47,100 --> 00:06:48,510 John C. Dvorak: Well, there were a lot of people were rattled by 129 00:06:48,510 --> 00:06:52,080 the at night. Remember this story with PC computing was a 130 00:06:52,110 --> 00:06:56,820 major player back in 1989 with a Loma Prieta earthquake and it 131 00:06:56,820 --> 00:07:00,360 was hit the peninsula quite hard most of the peninsula and it hit 132 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,800 the Bay Area in general. And it was an but people who've never 133 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,130 experienced any sort of earthquake there's a low note 134 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:14,430 with a big quake. That is disconcerning it really shake 135 00:07:14,430 --> 00:07:19,230 issued a bolton Rattler, man it makes you very uneasy and there 136 00:07:19,230 --> 00:07:24,180 was a whole bunch of people who were from New York that were in 137 00:07:24,180 --> 00:07:29,280 the offices a piece of computing on that day and they flew out as 138 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,860 fast as they used they just get out got out of town because they 139 00:07:31,860 --> 00:07:34,500 would refuse to come to California after that. And it 140 00:07:34,500 --> 00:07:38,640 had to be because of the effect of this low note that occurs in 141 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:39,390 many courts. 142 00:07:39,390 --> 00:07:41,610 Adam Curry: It's like ground loop resonance it's a it's a 143 00:07:41,610 --> 00:07:45,180 horrible it's a horrible like you're right it goes through 144 00:07:45,180 --> 00:07:49,830 your bones because it is a vibration that your body gets in 145 00:07:49,830 --> 00:07:50,430 tune with. 146 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,250 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, it's a it's a harmonic vibration 147 00:07:53,250 --> 00:07:55,620 resonance is the one that they used to kill people 148 00:07:55,650 --> 00:07:59,160 Adam Curry: Yeah. Wait a minute. Who uses that to kill people 149 00:07:59,160 --> 00:07:59,430 with 150 00:07:59,610 --> 00:08:01,680 John C. Dvorak: well we have evidence that there's been 151 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,430 weapons developed that develop like a five cycle note or 152 00:08:05,430 --> 00:08:07,560 something at very high frequencies that it shakes 153 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,160 people and kills them blows up your liver or something like 154 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:11,490 that. 155 00:08:11,580 --> 00:08:19,140 Adam Curry: Oh, wait, I think I have an example of it I'm hoping 156 00:08:19,140 --> 00:08:20,880 John C. Dvorak: at a bigger time he's gotta be better 157 00:08:22,710 --> 00:08:27,090 Adam Curry: I know hey, it's it's July What can I tell you? I 158 00:08:27,090 --> 00:08:29,220 don't have the Oh yeah, here it is. This is the one okay 159 00:08:29,220 --> 00:08:30,540 everybody get ready. We're going to kill you. 160 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,310 John C. Dvorak: Yo, that's another problem that 161 00:08:35,700 --> 00:08:41,850 Adam Curry: that's the zenergy chime we can kill you with that 162 00:08:41,850 --> 00:08:42,660 one for sure. 163 00:08:43,590 --> 00:08:46,170 John C. Dvorak: Definitely gets your attention anyway. But 164 00:08:46,170 --> 00:08:50,610 anyway, I'm always bothered by these California State as the 165 00:08:50,610 --> 00:08:54,930 status I got an 800 miles long or something and it's isn't 166 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,160 something happens in California it really only affects a very 167 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,370 small area of the giant state giant state 168 00:09:02,610 --> 00:09:04,620 Adam Curry: so you're not worried about anything happening 169 00:09:04,620 --> 00:09:05,340 up there are you 170 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,950 John C. Dvorak: know I think still think the big the big 171 00:09:07,950 --> 00:09:10,290 Whopper that's going to be dangerous is supposed to hit 172 00:09:10,590 --> 00:09:11,730 Southern California 173 00:09:11,820 --> 00:09:13,560 Adam Curry: according to all that it won't it won't hit 174 00:09:13,560 --> 00:09:14,550 Northern California 175 00:09:14,730 --> 00:09:17,430 John C. Dvorak: not know the next one. will eventually 176 00:09:17,430 --> 00:09:19,020 something's gonna hit Northern California because 177 00:09:19,170 --> 00:09:21,720 Adam Curry: I'm lining a backup host so I'm just want to get you 178 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,520 just gave you on the gate. 179 00:09:24,690 --> 00:09:27,480 John C. Dvorak: Hey, if anyone could do the show and Quake it's 180 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:27,840 me. 181 00:09:27,990 --> 00:09:29,640 Adam Curry: Yes. If you live 182 00:09:33,420 --> 00:09:35,310 John C. Dvorak: noticed. Yeah. Hey, I 183 00:09:35,310 --> 00:09:38,700 Adam Curry: think we both may be wrong. A rare occasion. 184 00:09:39,870 --> 00:09:42,180 John C. Dvorak: Well, as we had to wait, we 185 00:09:42,450 --> 00:09:45,780 Adam Curry: were referring to the shoes. Yeah, the shoes. 186 00:09:46,230 --> 00:09:47,580 John C. Dvorak: I was trying to get out of it. 187 00:09:48,150 --> 00:09:50,760 Adam Curry: I'm sorry. Go on. No, I'm not trying to get out of 188 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,730 anything. I don't go on. I have no i My research has not 189 00:09:53,730 --> 00:09:58,170 stopped. We have a small disagreement. John has the 190 00:09:58,170 --> 00:10:02,820 feeling that Nike set up The controversy over the Betsy Ross 191 00:10:02,820 --> 00:10:06,660 shoe with Kaepernick as a PR stunt to sell more shoes. I 192 00:10:06,660 --> 00:10:09,930 vehemently disagree. I believe it was blackmail, that they were 193 00:10:10,020 --> 00:10:13,950 shamed into doing this and money mine had been paid or should 194 00:10:13,950 --> 00:10:16,620 have been paid. It was blackmail. We both agreed that 195 00:10:16,620 --> 00:10:21,000 if the shoes go on sale, then John would be correct. If not, I 196 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:25,200 would be correct. I think we're both wrong. And that is based on 197 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,810 a podcast because gosh, you can't get anything from the 198 00:10:27,810 --> 00:10:33,300 mainstream. I kept trying to find out who actually brought 199 00:10:33,300 --> 00:10:36,510 this into the media. And again, it's unnamed sources. People 200 00:10:36,510 --> 00:10:41,130 familiar with the matter from an Associated Press from PBS from 201 00:10:41,130 --> 00:10:44,280 the Wall Street Journal. All three of them reported on this 202 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:48,420 story. None of them have any quotes. Nike did not mention 203 00:10:48,420 --> 00:10:51,180 Kaepernick in any of their communications. Kaepernick has 204 00:10:51,180 --> 00:10:54,120 not publicly communicated anything regarding the matter. 205 00:10:54,510 --> 00:10:59,670 But of all people, Adam Carolla sometimes confused with me, the 206 00:10:59,670 --> 00:11:05,460 actual pod father does a podcast with Mark Geragos and his client 207 00:11:05,490 --> 00:11:08,520 as we discussed in the previous episode is Colin Kaepernick. 208 00:11:08,670 --> 00:11:12,810 Kaepernick Kaepernick amongst other prominent people like 209 00:11:12,810 --> 00:11:16,080 Jussie Smollett so fine, fine guy to do a podcast where they 210 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,370 do it. It's called the What is this podcast called? It's called 211 00:11:20,370 --> 00:11:25,200 reasonable doubt. And Corolla asked Gary go straight up, 212 00:11:25,290 --> 00:11:26,850 what's going on with this? 213 00:11:27,150 --> 00:11:31,260 Unknown: I would be wildly inconsistent if I didn't scream 214 00:11:31,260 --> 00:11:33,960 at your boy, Colin Kaepernick for this, 215 00:11:34,110 --> 00:11:38,160 Adam Curry: how racist is that? Sorry, but you can't see 216 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,350 John C. Dvorak: me this is cracking me up right away, and 217 00:11:40,350 --> 00:11:41,880 just say your boy Colin 218 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,340 Adam Curry: Kaepernick, unless he's not black. I don't know 219 00:11:44,340 --> 00:11:45,480 what's going on Corolla. 220 00:11:45,660 --> 00:11:49,770 Unknown: I would be wildly inconsistent if I didn't scream 221 00:11:49,770 --> 00:11:54,720 at your boy, Colin Kaepernick for the stupid Nike tweet, but 222 00:11:54,870 --> 00:11:56,580 or whatever he did. But 223 00:11:56,579 --> 00:11:58,739 Adam Curry: the interesting point there was get the facts 224 00:11:58,739 --> 00:12:02,429 straight. I know this, but Gary goes is going to come in and he 225 00:12:02,429 --> 00:12:04,319 has some interesting data points. How 226 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,740 Unknown: does that work? Why does Nike cave? Why does he give 227 00:12:07,740 --> 00:12:12,060 a shit and what's going on? Are you teasing? Or should we? I'm 228 00:12:12,060 --> 00:12:13,410 asking, I'm asking, 229 00:12:13,439 --> 00:12:18,029 Okay, I just saw an article that Nike increased their market cap 230 00:12:18,029 --> 00:12:20,849 by $3 billion since dropping it. 231 00:12:21,780 --> 00:12:23,970 Adam Curry: Now, he'll repeat this, and we'll talk about this 232 00:12:23,970 --> 00:12:27,900 maybe later. But this was a meme that was propagating very 233 00:12:27,900 --> 00:12:32,910 quickly. Oh, Nike, three D, they made $3 billion. No one seems to 234 00:12:32,910 --> 00:12:37,020 understand what market cap is about anymore. So good man, they 235 00:12:37,020 --> 00:12:40,290 did a good job. They made $3 billion dollars $3 billion rich 236 00:12:40,290 --> 00:12:46,410 everybody getting paid no. The stock price went up a percent 237 00:12:47,070 --> 00:12:50,820 was like a point and a half. Oh, so it's its market cap value. 238 00:12:50,820 --> 00:12:55,080 And it can go down by 5 billion tomorrow. But this was it's 239 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:56,910 interesting that this is now brought up. 240 00:12:57,030 --> 00:13:00,180 John C. Dvorak: This explained just real short. in market cap 241 00:13:00,180 --> 00:13:03,420 is short for market capitalization, which is for all 242 00:13:03,420 --> 00:13:06,570 practical purposes, which has to be separated from enterprise 243 00:13:06,570 --> 00:13:09,060 value, which people can do on the dig and looked at went up. 244 00:13:09,390 --> 00:13:12,420 But market cap is if you sold all if you took the stock 245 00:13:12,450 --> 00:13:16,770 today's price of the stock and liquidated it at that price at 246 00:13:16,770 --> 00:13:19,380 that moment. That's what that number is 247 00:13:19,410 --> 00:13:22,440 Adam Curry: right. And they're about $108 billion. The stock 248 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,400 went up over over two days went up about a point and a half. It 249 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,950 goes up it goes down it goes up it goes down you know they won't 250 00:13:28,950 --> 00:13:31,800 report on you know the losing billions of dollars because 251 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,010 that's not what you do. The only time it's interesting is when 252 00:13:35,010 --> 00:13:38,790 someone hits the trillion dollar market cap such as Apple and 253 00:13:38,790 --> 00:13:40,800 then you know, they dropped below it and it's not like 254 00:13:40,860 --> 00:13:44,340 anyone made or lost money except perhaps investors who played the 255 00:13:44,340 --> 00:13:46,920 stock market. We continue. I'm asking Okay, 256 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,760 Unknown: I just saw an article that Nike increased their market 257 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:56,940 cap by $3 billion dollars since dropping it. And I my guess as 258 00:13:56,940 --> 00:13:57,750 to what happened. 259 00:14:00,090 --> 00:14:02,670 Adam Curry: free by the way, he's guessing he knows damn 260 00:14:02,670 --> 00:14:02,970 well. 261 00:14:03,510 --> 00:14:05,820 Unknown: Are you privy to any of this stuff? Yes, 262 00:14:05,820 --> 00:14:13,200 yes. They showed they the shoe was shown to him. He had 263 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:19,200 expressed a reservations about them using the shoe. They 264 00:14:20,220 --> 00:14:25,980 decided to drop it somebody at the I assume it Nikes 265 00:14:25,980 --> 00:14:31,140 headquarters. Apparently a disgruntled somebody decides 266 00:14:31,140 --> 00:14:34,800 they're going to leak it to I want to say the Wall Street 267 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:35,370 Journal. 268 00:14:35,550 --> 00:14:38,760 Adam Curry: Now this is interesting. So he says he 269 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:43,770 presumes it was a disgruntled employee. No, there was no 270 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,190 mention in any of these articles, a disgruntled employee 271 00:14:47,190 --> 00:14:50,550 or someone who was pissed off, so he's really making an 272 00:14:50,550 --> 00:14:54,330 assumption. And I think he's full of shit here. 273 00:14:54,570 --> 00:14:59,370 Unknown: And it becomes a firestorm all this week. But 274 00:14:59,460 --> 00:15:03,540 like you Do you have the last laugh? Because I just looked 275 00:15:03,570 --> 00:15:08,160 this morning, and they've put 3 billion on the market cap, while 276 00:15:08,190 --> 00:15:13,140 Under Armour, Adidas and Puma were all down substantially in 277 00:15:13,140 --> 00:15:13,680 this market. 278 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:18,450 How does the process work where they vet the shoe with him? 279 00:15:20,310 --> 00:15:24,270 He is, you know, he's the face of the just do it. 30 years 30th 280 00:15:24,270 --> 00:15:29,550 anniversary campaign. And by the way, as people, people with 281 00:15:29,550 --> 00:15:34,560 people, I don't think understand just about how effective that 282 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,340 has been. They they know what they're doing. I mean, they know 283 00:15:38,340 --> 00:15:41,910 who their demographic is. Their demographic is not Ted Cruz. 284 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:46,260 Their demographic is not. You know, that Governor why and I 285 00:15:46,260 --> 00:15:47,640 don't want to mispronounce his Is he trying 286 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,860 Adam Curry: to say the demographic is black people? 287 00:15:49,860 --> 00:15:52,320 What is he trying to say? Did he telling us who it's not 288 00:15:52,709 --> 00:15:57,179 Unknown: do che are douchey? In Arizona, right. So that's not 289 00:15:57,209 --> 00:16:02,039 that's not the target demo. The target demo? Are people who are 290 00:16:02,399 --> 00:16:06,209 who have a web of viewpoints. And 291 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,660 Adam Curry: so Oh, really? No, not the piece. People who have a 292 00:16:09,660 --> 00:16:14,040 viewpoint that's the target to social justice, warriors 293 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:14,760 John C. Dvorak: persuasion. 294 00:16:16,890 --> 00:16:17,820 Unknown: Are people that hate 295 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,450 the half behavior, by the way, privately, he 296 00:16:21,450 --> 00:16:23,640 didn't show well, this is this is 297 00:16:23,670 --> 00:16:24,930 less to come from them. 298 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,650 Here's, here's what I want to say. Here's my honest take on 299 00:16:28,650 --> 00:16:35,040 this. I draw a great distinction between stuff that is done in 300 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:42,150 public and stuff that is done in private. And I do, again, I draw 301 00:16:42,150 --> 00:16:45,540 a distinction. Now I don't I don't like that we live in a 302 00:16:45,540 --> 00:16:48,960 country where we vet choose with Kaepernick, and then he gives 303 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,260 the thumbs down because they have 13 stars on it. I don't 304 00:16:52,260 --> 00:16:55,740 like that. That's what our society has become. But we're 305 00:16:55,740 --> 00:16:59,820 living in it. And if people are doing it for publicity, then I 306 00:16:59,820 --> 00:17:04,200 really don't like it. If the if the intent is to quietly go 307 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,380 about this and get on with our lives, I have a different 308 00:17:08,250 --> 00:17:15,510 viewpoint of the transaction. And you are telling me that they 309 00:17:15,510 --> 00:17:21,120 show it to him, he gives notes. And then theoretically, they 310 00:17:21,120 --> 00:17:26,190 quietly go back and implement his notes without the like, 311 00:17:26,220 --> 00:17:29,880 like, we would never know that this shoe existed. If this 312 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,910 person from Nike who was disgruntled didn't leak it. 313 00:17:33,660 --> 00:17:36,660 It's all I can I'm trying connecting the dots, because he 314 00:17:36,660 --> 00:17:40,650 certainly there was no way that he was the one who was saying 315 00:17:40,650 --> 00:17:43,860 that or releasing that or anything else. And obviously, 316 00:17:44,610 --> 00:17:50,280 you know, the shoe was time for July 4, the, the the leak, and 317 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,420 the story went viral because of the Fourth of July. And and so 318 00:17:54,420 --> 00:17:58,950 that's I'm with you. I in terms of if it's done quietly, look, 319 00:17:58,950 --> 00:18:01,500 I've got reservations about it, which is exactly what was done. 320 00:18:01,620 --> 00:18:03,720 He certainly wasn't the one who released it. 321 00:18:04,230 --> 00:18:05,760 I got an idea for you to pitch and 322 00:18:06,180 --> 00:18:09,990 Adam Curry: so he's talking about the leak? I don't know. 323 00:18:11,580 --> 00:18:16,860 For sure. It seems the shoes were already at retail. 324 00:18:18,150 --> 00:18:20,160 John C. Dvorak: Yes, that's what I understand. And because that's 325 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,610 how they're winding up on eBay. Yeah. And that would make no 326 00:18:23,610 --> 00:18:26,640 sense. What's his his basic thesis is that the shoes were 327 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,820 kept secret. And this one guy leaked them, which doesn't 328 00:18:29,850 --> 00:18:35,310 obviously the case. I would posit to get to use my words. 329 00:18:35,310 --> 00:18:40,650 It's my word. I would say that I'm still sticking with my 330 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:45,000 original thesis, but it's possible that what could have 331 00:18:45,630 --> 00:18:48,570 been the fly in the ointment was someone at the company saying 332 00:18:48,570 --> 00:18:53,580 Hey, this looks if we bring out these shoes on July the fourth, 333 00:18:53,790 --> 00:18:57,540 this looks like exploitation of the American flag and this is 334 00:18:57,540 --> 00:19:01,140 not going to go over. We should probably you know and they 335 00:19:01,140 --> 00:19:04,080 didn't they decided to pull the shoes or do something and then 336 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:05,280 maybe bring them out later. 337 00:19:05,310 --> 00:19:07,050 Adam Curry: And then maybe they blamed it on Kaepernick. 338 00:19:08,340 --> 00:19:09,930 John C. Dvorak: I don't know who blamed it on camera. I think 339 00:19:09,930 --> 00:19:14,070 it's just I think if there's a disgruntled ie the least one on 340 00:19:14,070 --> 00:19:16,740 Capitol Yes, exactly. I'm pretty sure Kaepernick had nothing to 341 00:19:16,740 --> 00:19:20,430 do with it. Why are they running a shoe idea past him now and 342 00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:24,480 John George John John Jaffa, Nicosia you liked this color. 343 00:19:24,510 --> 00:19:24,990 John. 344 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,640 Adam Curry: If you're gonna run something past, a guy who's 345 00:19:30,390 --> 00:19:36,090 ultimate input can't stop the shoe. He had don't do that when 346 00:19:36,090 --> 00:19:39,540 they're at retail. So it's just bullshit. Kaepernick may have 347 00:19:39,540 --> 00:19:40,770 nothing to do with it. 348 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:42,930 John C. Dvorak: I'm pretty sure he doesn't. But I think he's 349 00:19:43,110 --> 00:19:45,960 been told to just shut up and you know, we'll we'll take care 350 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:46,470 of it later. 351 00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:48,510 Adam Curry: Now let's look at this market cap because this 352 00:19:48,510 --> 00:19:52,980 would this story went viral, like Oh, Nike rakes in $3 353 00:19:52,980 --> 00:19:58,110 billion. Okay, so let's just take the stupidity this stupid 354 00:19:58,620 --> 00:20:02,670 interpretation of that Like it was a good thing for them not to 355 00:20:02,670 --> 00:20:07,650 do this. What does that mean for future social justice movements 356 00:20:07,650 --> 00:20:12,450 by this company or any other brand? That has something to 357 00:20:12,450 --> 00:20:13,200 say? 358 00:20:15,299 --> 00:20:17,249 John C. Dvorak: Is the idea and personally I don't think it 359 00:20:17,249 --> 00:20:20,489 means anything. Because while some people were all jacked up 360 00:20:20,489 --> 00:20:22,919 about I don't think the company kept one way or the other, no, 361 00:20:22,919 --> 00:20:24,569 but it kept goes up and down, cause I'm 362 00:20:24,570 --> 00:20:26,790 Adam Curry: talking about perception. This is what people 363 00:20:26,790 --> 00:20:29,760 are. This is this is the story. Now the story is they understand 364 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,800 John C. Dvorak: that, but it did company themselves. I don't 365 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:32,580 think now. 366 00:20:33,539 --> 00:20:35,549 Adam Curry: You're missing my point. You're missing my point. 367 00:20:35,879 --> 00:20:40,739 From a social justice perspective, would it now be in 368 00:20:40,769 --> 00:20:44,039 Nikes? It True we know has nothing to do really with market 369 00:20:44,039 --> 00:20:46,709 cap. People believe that now, so let's just leave it as it is. 370 00:20:47,579 --> 00:20:50,789 From a social justice warrior perspective, is it good or not 371 00:20:50,789 --> 00:20:55,229 good for Nike to portray its brand values in his product and 372 00:20:55,229 --> 00:21:00,029 in his advertising? Based on the fact that the market cap went up 373 00:21:00,029 --> 00:21:02,579 when they clearly showed their brand values? 374 00:21:04,500 --> 00:21:06,810 John C. Dvorak: I don't know that. I would, I would say it 375 00:21:06,810 --> 00:21:08,250 makes a difference personally. 376 00:21:08,700 --> 00:21:12,420 Adam Curry: You're being too literal about it. Okay, it's all 377 00:21:12,420 --> 00:21:16,410 right. I'm trying to I'm trying to ask you a different question. 378 00:21:16,410 --> 00:21:18,060 And you're just not understanding what I'm asking. 379 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,520 John C. Dvorak: Well, what give me clarify. Okay, 380 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,080 Adam Curry: so forget that. Were 381 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,420 John C. Dvorak: you think that my Nikes gonna be more react? 382 00:21:24,450 --> 00:21:24,750 No, 383 00:21:24,780 --> 00:21:26,490 Adam Curry: I'm not talking about Nike. I'm talking about 384 00:21:26,490 --> 00:21:28,860 people. People will they now think we're 385 00:21:28,860 --> 00:21:32,010 John C. Dvorak: gonna give a shit about my Nikes market cap? 386 00:21:32,010 --> 00:21:34,560 I don't know I completely befuddled by what you're trying 387 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:35,100 to ask me. 388 00:21:35,490 --> 00:21:37,770 Adam Curry: Okay, nevermind. Now actually, I'm annoyed by the 389 00:21:37,770 --> 00:21:40,380 fact you don't understand what I'm saying. We know the market 390 00:21:40,380 --> 00:21:44,940 cap is bullshit. The perception is they made $3 billion. That's 391 00:21:44,940 --> 00:21:46,650 just the perception. We just leave that as 392 00:21:47,070 --> 00:21:48,480 John C. Dvorak: the perception amongst 393 00:21:48,540 --> 00:21:51,690 Adam Curry: i It's I know, who do you think I'm talking about? 394 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,730 The wheel? The idiots trying 395 00:21:53,730 --> 00:21:55,470 John C. Dvorak: to make the claim that social justice 396 00:21:55,470 --> 00:21:58,110 warriors are idiots? All right. 397 00:21:59,100 --> 00:22:02,100 Adam Curry: Yes, I am. And here's Andrew Doyle, writer and 398 00:22:02,100 --> 00:22:06,690 comedian and gay man at the BBC complaining about the social 399 00:22:06,690 --> 00:22:12,390 justice warriors and the brand values who are hijacking gayness 400 00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:13,980 and pride. I think 401 00:22:13,980 --> 00:22:16,650 Unknown: we're all used to the idea of corporations and 402 00:22:16,650 --> 00:22:19,410 companies cynically exploiting gay people for a quick buck, I 403 00:22:19,410 --> 00:22:21,780 think, I think yeah, absolutely. It's always been the pink pound, 404 00:22:21,780 --> 00:22:23,820 you know, it's a longer ongoing thing. I think now, what's 405 00:22:23,820 --> 00:22:25,530 happened there is there's a kind of critical mass. And I 406 00:22:25,620 --> 00:22:27,390 completely take on board what you're saying. I think, though, 407 00:22:27,390 --> 00:22:29,970 we have to accept that there is a sense that this is this 408 00:22:29,970 --> 00:22:33,060 slightly distasteful. This is a flag that after all, this is 409 00:22:33,060 --> 00:22:35,910 related to activism and the concept of pushing for equal 410 00:22:35,910 --> 00:22:39,390 rights. And now it is being manipulated as a kind of a kind 411 00:22:39,390 --> 00:22:41,790 of indicator that you are good, that you are virtuous. 412 00:22:44,580 --> 00:22:47,310 John C. Dvorak: That guy talks so fast, if you if you could get 413 00:22:47,340 --> 00:22:50,340 it, you can't do it on the fly, obviously. But if you could 414 00:22:50,340 --> 00:22:55,800 tweak his, his, his equalization. So he's because he 415 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:56,970 would sound like Ben Shapiro, 416 00:22:59,190 --> 00:23:01,200 Adam Curry: a British gay Ben Shapiro acted 417 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,570 Unknown: as a kind of a kind of indicator that you are good, 418 00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:06,240 that you are virtuous, and that you're on, quote, unquote, the 419 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,940 right side of history. And that's not what it should be 420 00:23:08,940 --> 00:23:11,040 about. That's not what it should be meaning and I think a lot of 421 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,220 gay people in particular, are starting to feel that this is 422 00:23:14,220 --> 00:23:16,800 misrepresenting what they stand for. Um, and I went into a very 423 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,170 popular Japanese chain, I won't say what it's called. And the 424 00:23:19,170 --> 00:23:21,720 mat told me that they weren't weren't proud that they didn't 425 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,450 discriminate against LGBT people. And my feeling about 426 00:23:24,450 --> 00:23:27,600 that is, well, why would you my default expectation is that you 427 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,760 wouldn't, we don't live in a society where that sort of thing 428 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,760 is acceptable. And it reminds me of when people started a 429 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,510 campaign where they wore safety pins to broadcast the idea that 430 00:23:36,510 --> 00:23:39,930 they're not racist. Again, I would assume you weren't. And 431 00:23:39,930 --> 00:23:42,480 I'd feel a lot more comfortable about these corporations doing 432 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,120 this. If, for instance, they'd have done the same before the 433 00:23:45,150 --> 00:23:48,450 Equality Act in 2010. If they've done the same before section 28 434 00:23:48,450 --> 00:23:51,780 was repealed in 2003. If they did the same, before the age of 435 00:23:51,780 --> 00:23:54,270 consent was equalized in 2001, we have to accept that they've 436 00:23:54,300 --> 00:23:58,350 taken a market decision to make as much money as possible. And 437 00:23:58,350 --> 00:23:59,370 they alkylated that, 438 00:24:00,030 --> 00:24:04,890 Adam Curry: I guess what I was getting at is, is the era of 439 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,970 brand values and virtue signaling those brand values, 440 00:24:09,060 --> 00:24:11,670 which really aren't their values or mission statement, but their 441 00:24:11,670 --> 00:24:15,330 marketing values, is that over or is it really just starting to 442 00:24:15,330 --> 00:24:20,070 ramp up big? And so on the one hand, I feel that people feel 443 00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:24,870 vindicated by saying See, when you are social justice warrior, 444 00:24:25,050 --> 00:24:30,180 and I see then then you you win as a company. And here on the 445 00:24:30,180 --> 00:24:33,450 other side is the BBC, I liked the term the pink pound I 446 00:24:33,450 --> 00:24:37,170 thought that was a good term. who this guy is saying, Hey, 447 00:24:37,170 --> 00:24:41,580 we're being exploited and it's an it's an inject disingenuous. 448 00:24:43,710 --> 00:24:47,460 John C. Dvorak: Get in line. Yeah, of course it is. 449 00:24:47,610 --> 00:24:49,650 Adam Curry: Yeah, but what do you think I, to me, it sounds 450 00:24:49,650 --> 00:24:52,140 like he's just on the cusp of getting worse. That's I guess 451 00:24:52,140 --> 00:24:52,710 that's what my 452 00:24:52,710 --> 00:24:55,710 John C. Dvorak: good be. I mean, it's possible. It's not going to 453 00:24:55,710 --> 00:25:00,000 get better. I think these guys would look for it. Whatever. 454 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,130 What happened? It would be like, Oh, the market cap went up. 455 00:25:02,130 --> 00:25:05,670 That's great because that means that we worked. Oh, the market 456 00:25:05,670 --> 00:25:08,310 cap went down. Oh, that's great. That shows that we have an 457 00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:13,380 effect. You can't win with these people. Right. By the way, I 458 00:25:13,380 --> 00:25:16,230 just safety printing I forgot about that. I was thinking 459 00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:18,360 Adam Curry: about we follow. I remember we followed that 460 00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:19,050 movement. 461 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,270 John C. Dvorak: I remember the safety pin thing. We talked 462 00:25:21,270 --> 00:25:24,600 about it, but I'm thinking, I gotta get everyone to send me 463 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,290 lists of things like this short term phenomenon that we're 464 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,250 faddish, and we've kind of not even noticed our faddish. They 465 00:25:32,250 --> 00:25:35,490 were Gangnam Style. I mean, these 466 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,500 Adam Curry: years Katie Hopkins from 2016 are the report on the 467 00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:41,850 safety pins. My 468 00:25:41,850 --> 00:25:46,530 Unknown: biggest rage this week has been about safety pins and a 469 00:25:46,530 --> 00:25:51,720 race hate. So I am sick to death of hearing about a race hate in 470 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:57,900 the wake of the leave vote. I think it's entirely a conjecture 471 00:25:58,110 --> 00:26:03,240 that's been drempt up by sore losers from the remain campaign 472 00:26:03,390 --> 00:26:08,340 in order to try and make it sound like a race. Haters are 473 00:26:08,340 --> 00:26:11,880 people that voted leave that we are thick, that we are stupid, 474 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,060 and that we are racist, and frankly, we are not. So 475 00:26:15,330 --> 00:26:17,760 Adam Curry: that's interesting. I completely forgot that it 476 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:24,420 happened around the Brexit vote. So it was a way to it was just a 477 00:26:24,420 --> 00:26:27,360 way to virtue signal that you're not a hater. Like all those 478 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:33,090 Brexit tears were my safety pin. We used to wear safety pins as 479 00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:37,920 earrings back in the 70s. And we'd have a safety pin. You know 480 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,700 if the sun hadn't been through your nose, I had one on my lapel 481 00:26:43,140 --> 00:26:45,120 it was it was all the rage bloody. 482 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,610 Unknown: It was all the rage tells 483 00:26:47,610 --> 00:26:48,360 John C. Dvorak: me to meet. 484 00:26:51,180 --> 00:26:53,280 Adam Curry: Let's talk briefly about the Fourth of July which 485 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,590 was America's celebration. 486 00:26:56,970 --> 00:26:58,650 John C. Dvorak: Which was a real dud. 487 00:26:58,890 --> 00:27:02,490 Adam Curry: Let's let's start with the the the compilation 488 00:27:02,550 --> 00:27:07,020 just before the celebration from the M five M who were 489 00:27:07,530 --> 00:27:12,180 pontificating about what they expected it to be. Sorry, 490 00:27:12,210 --> 00:27:14,340 John C. Dvorak: did you know that it took $2 million away 491 00:27:14,340 --> 00:27:17,400 from some from the National Parks? Yes, 492 00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:18,330 Adam Curry: those bastards 493 00:27:18,420 --> 00:27:20,760 Unknown: Donald Trump has hijacked the nation's previously 494 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,370 nonpartisan Fourth of July celebration. Is this just 495 00:27:23,370 --> 00:27:26,550 your arm defying or is there anything dangerous about it's 496 00:27:26,550 --> 00:27:27,600 just obscene and 497 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,640 the speech is going to be dreadful? They're going to have 498 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,360 their Confederate flags flying and their license plates and all 499 00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:35,520 kinds of trouble making it look your criticism 500 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,060 of his critics. You will hear a celebration of self 501 00:27:39,090 --> 00:27:41,190 there'll be a lot of other people are going to meet like a 502 00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:44,340 storm and you're gonna have a real conflict. There's all kinds 503 00:27:44,340 --> 00:27:46,890 of catastrophes. They're not sure if the bridges over the 504 00:27:46,890 --> 00:27:50,280 Potomac can handle the tanks he's heard in a traditionally 505 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:51,090 nonpartisan 506 00:27:51,090 --> 00:27:54,930 event into a Trump focus campaign style rally sure looks 507 00:27:54,930 --> 00:27:58,050 like a partisan reelection rally on public space. 508 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:02,550 Donald Trump's campaign rally in Washington paid for by the 509 00:28:02,550 --> 00:28:04,920 American taxpayer a campaign event 510 00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:08,280 some kind of a campaign speech a political rally partisan events 511 00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:15,090 combination Trump rally and Kim Jong on style military parade 512 00:28:15,090 --> 00:28:15,150 the 513 00:28:15,150 --> 00:28:18,480 President's vision bears a closer resemblance to the chest 514 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,540 thumping displays put on by authoritarian regimes This is 515 00:28:21,540 --> 00:28:24,870 the kind of military display that we were used to seeing from 516 00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:25,920 the Soviet Union 517 00:28:25,950 --> 00:28:29,220 I'm thinking Red Square, North Korea 518 00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:32,940 Egypt to hope for violence would be of course treasonous. Not to 519 00:28:32,940 --> 00:28:35,220 expect it would be naive. 520 00:28:35,639 --> 00:28:38,129 Adam Curry: Oh, they were all so disappointed. 521 00:28:39,450 --> 00:28:42,870 John C. Dvorak: These people are od troll by the way I'm gonna 522 00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:45,810 give you a borderline big I know where you got that you still you 523 00:28:45,810 --> 00:28:51,480 didn't put it together dynamite compilation now 524 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,500 Adam Curry: from a production and television production 525 00:28:55,500 --> 00:29:01,500 standpoint what a piece of shit show that was horrible. Had did 526 00:29:01,500 --> 00:29:06,300 no one think that the ballistic glass would get wet and look 527 00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:12,810 like he was should start singing the rhythm of the rain. I mean, 528 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,150 it was really first of all, what's the deal with the 529 00:29:15,150 --> 00:29:16,530 ballistic glass? That's new. 530 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,580 John C. Dvorak: I have no idea but was just is one of those 531 00:29:20,580 --> 00:29:24,060 situations, I guess. I don't know is the snipers 532 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,540 Adam Curry: secondarily secondarily. If you use the 533 00:29:27,540 --> 00:29:31,950 Lincoln Memorial as your backdrop, don't put people in 534 00:29:31,950 --> 00:29:36,330 front of Lincoln. You could not see Lincoln sitting there the 535 00:29:36,330 --> 00:29:40,380 grand majestic shot that it was supposed to be this was this was 536 00:29:40,380 --> 00:29:47,190 a botch a total botch it looked like shit. It made the president 537 00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:54,390 look very weak behind this glass. The you could not see the 538 00:29:54,390 --> 00:29:59,940 statuesque pneus of the setting. The weather was sad. I don't 539 00:29:59,940 --> 00:30:02,460 know If the tanks didn't roll out because of the weather, 540 00:30:02,790 --> 00:30:04,830 John C. Dvorak: they were never intended to roll out that was 541 00:30:04,830 --> 00:30:08,760 all that was all that was all conjunction John Lake MSNBC, 542 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:09,960 they're gonna be rolling tanks. 543 00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:12,240 Adam Curry: I did like seeing the stealth bomber that was 544 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,930 cool. Like that thing. That's I don't think I've seen one fly 545 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:16,620 that close to 546 00:30:16,620 --> 00:30:19,020 John C. Dvorak: the ground. That's a beautiful play was 547 00:30:19,020 --> 00:30:20,220 badass like, Yeah, 548 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,080 Adam Curry: I think got the Blue Angels and they did their 549 00:30:23,310 --> 00:30:25,290 John C. Dvorak: little angels here all the time. I don't see 550 00:30:25,290 --> 00:30:28,560 what we got Fleet Week. I mean they have him every week cause 551 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,620 more money than that event did apparently every football 552 00:30:31,620 --> 00:30:35,880 Adam Curry: game we have these flyovers. But it really it you 553 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:40,410 know, the speech was very rare. I understand what he was trying 554 00:30:40,410 --> 00:30:45,600 to do. Now luckily, luckily, he made it a little bit more 555 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,730 exciting with this massive gaff 556 00:30:47,790 --> 00:30:52,860 Unknown: and seized victory from Cornwallis of Yorktown. Our army 557 00:30:52,860 --> 00:30:58,050 manned the air. It ran the ramparts. He took over the 558 00:30:58,050 --> 00:31:00,330 airports it did everything it had to do. 559 00:31:03,810 --> 00:31:07,590 Adam Curry: And I'm like, did he say their ports? Did Did Did 560 00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:11,490 that just come out wrong? No, he said the airports or ports he 561 00:31:11,490 --> 00:31:15,450 said that took over the airport. Now there. Now of course, you 562 00:31:15,450 --> 00:31:18,210 know, this was not his fault, as you can imagine. 563 00:31:20,250 --> 00:31:21,720 Unknown: Never his fault. There was 564 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:22,650 Adam Curry: an excuse. Yeah, the 565 00:31:22,650 --> 00:31:24,990 Unknown: teleprompter went out, it kept going on. And then at 566 00:31:24,990 --> 00:31:28,440 the end, it just went out. It went kaput. So I could have said 567 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,350 that. And actually right in the middle of that sentence went 568 00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:35,070 out. And that's not a good feeling. I guess the rain 569 00:31:35,070 --> 00:31:39,930 knocked out the teleprompter. So but no, it's not that I knew the 570 00:31:39,930 --> 00:31:43,560 speech very well. So I was able to do without a teleprompter. 571 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:48,030 But the teleprompter did go out. And it was actually hard to look 572 00:31:48,030 --> 00:31:54,180 at anyway because it was rain all over it. You know? Well, I'm 573 00:31:54,180 --> 00:31:56,310 Adam Curry: not buying I'm buying. I'm not buying that. 574 00:31:59,190 --> 00:32:01,380 John C. Dvorak: I don't know. But here's what we're missing in 575 00:32:01,380 --> 00:32:03,750 here. And this is something we because we never I don't think 576 00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:08,430 we collected any clips of this. Fact I'm pretty sure because I 577 00:32:08,430 --> 00:32:11,580 don't remember him. But I do remember the moment where he 578 00:32:11,580 --> 00:32:15,630 rants and raves and goes on and on and on about Obama and his 579 00:32:15,630 --> 00:32:20,580 teleprompters. Yes. And then this and now we got him all 580 00:32:20,580 --> 00:32:24,000 addicted to teleprompters out of the blue which is, you know, 581 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:25,770 teleprompters are what they are. 582 00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:30,240 Adam Curry: But it's worse than that. On whitehouse.gov It has 583 00:32:30,330 --> 00:32:36,660 his speech. And he says our army man the air, it rammed the 584 00:32:36,660 --> 00:32:40,020 ramparts, it took over the airports. It did everything it 585 00:32:40,020 --> 00:32:46,500 had to do. Come on. I mean, it's either in the prompter correctly 586 00:32:46,500 --> 00:32:49,950 or it's not it's either in the speech correctly, or it's not. 587 00:32:50,220 --> 00:32:54,690 He was either sabotaged. But I doubt a little bit of rain. 588 00:32:54,690 --> 00:33:02,040 SPECT was done. Now, it made Twitter fun, because I just love 589 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,420 the memes. You know, you have George Washington in a fly, 590 00:33:06,990 --> 00:33:08,640 trying to board an airplane 591 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,600 John C. Dvorak: solo Garcia when you bring it up as sabotage, or 592 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,110 is it done on purpose? Sometimes you have to wonder, 593 00:33:19,890 --> 00:33:22,410 Adam Curry: die, don't think this was on but he really wanted 594 00:33:22,410 --> 00:33:26,790 this to be a great salute to the military. He loves all that 595 00:33:26,790 --> 00:33:30,900 stuff. And he was narrating the flyovers. You know, he wanted 596 00:33:30,900 --> 00:33:34,020 this to be a great show. The weather was crap and the setting 597 00:33:34,020 --> 00:33:36,480 was crap was a shit show. It wasn't horrible. 598 00:33:36,690 --> 00:33:38,790 John C. Dvorak: Well, I don't know one way or the other 599 00:33:38,790 --> 00:33:42,060 because I think I'm like most people, unless I was standing 600 00:33:42,060 --> 00:33:46,440 there in the audience. I never saw in a second of it. I didn't 601 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,470 see one second, but it was the wrong time and this for the West 602 00:33:49,470 --> 00:33:55,620 Coast. I had other things to do. So you covered it for the show. 603 00:33:56,700 --> 00:33:57,090 Yes, 604 00:33:57,090 --> 00:34:01,320 Adam Curry: I did. I covered it for the show. I liked seeing as 605 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,230 I said, I like seeing our stealth bomber I always know I'm 606 00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:09,270 an Air Air guy aircraft guy is I'd like seeing that. Now in all 607 00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:13,860 this unhinged crap over what it cost please give me a break. And 608 00:34:13,860 --> 00:34:18,000 now they're all butthurt that he didn't didn't go off and make it 609 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,260 into a campaign rally. And now they I didn't clip it cuz I got 610 00:34:22,260 --> 00:34:24,660 bored of it, but they were calling it Schoolhouse Rock 611 00:34:24,660 --> 00:34:27,990 explanation of our history. Okay, fine. 612 00:34:28,980 --> 00:34:32,160 John C. Dvorak: Who cares? Exactly as it's like Gangnam 613 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:33,090 Style. But then 614 00:34:33,090 --> 00:34:35,220 Adam Curry: we get the news dropping all of a sudden, which 615 00:34:35,220 --> 00:34:36,990 always seems to happen on show days. 616 00:34:37,020 --> 00:34:39,900 Unknown: Millionaire Jeffrey Epstein has been arrested on new 617 00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:43,680 sex trafficking charges. A source tells CBS four federal 618 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,170 agents took him into custody yesterday at a New Jersey 619 00:34:46,170 --> 00:34:50,340 airport after he was indicted on one count of sex trafficking and 620 00:34:50,340 --> 00:34:54,030 one count of conspiracy to commit sex trafficking. Federal 621 00:34:54,030 --> 00:34:57,300 agents also searched his home. Epstein has long faced 622 00:34:57,300 --> 00:35:01,050 accusations of sexually abusing underage girls he'll be in court 623 00:35:01,050 --> 00:35:01,740 tomorrow. 624 00:35:02,099 --> 00:35:04,949 Adam Curry: Now this is going to have a long tail. 625 00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:08,940 John C. Dvorak: Well, the thing is what happened, what change? 626 00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:13,350 What did they do to the to someone busted into his place 627 00:35:13,350 --> 00:35:17,190 and grab the evidence against all these highfalutin folk that 628 00:35:17,250 --> 00:35:20,940 could be, you know, embarrassed by the Epstein revelations, 629 00:35:20,940 --> 00:35:22,530 which would definitely occur. 630 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,270 Adam Curry: Well, there's two things. There's something else 631 00:35:24,270 --> 00:35:30,060 that took place last week. And that was the unsealing of all of 632 00:35:30,060 --> 00:35:34,320 these court cases, which is about 2000 documents, one of 633 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:39,360 which is very, very clearly indicts President Trump than 634 00:35:39,390 --> 00:35:45,000 Donald J. Trump, the businessman as a pedophile rapist, the man 635 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,680 and you know, it's a it's a Jane Doe and a Tiffany doe. And I 636 00:35:49,740 --> 00:35:53,100 these are not being re litigated. There is apparently 637 00:35:53,490 --> 00:35:58,380 two new indictments against Epstein that will be open to the 638 00:35:58,380 --> 00:36:05,250 public tomorrow. But the what you're reading on the social 639 00:36:05,250 --> 00:36:09,870 media, just to show you the derangement, as he's going down, 640 00:36:09,870 --> 00:36:14,100 the pedophile has gone down, and Acosta, his lawyer, who should 641 00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:18,390 go down because the deal that that Jeffrey Epstein got, was 642 00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:23,490 clearly an elitist bull crap punishment. This guy should be 643 00:36:23,490 --> 00:36:29,100 behind bars for the rest of his life with his cohorts. What's 644 00:36:29,100 --> 00:36:33,210 the Maxwell daughter? She was the recruiter. It all ties into 645 00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:37,560 even I think it even ties into that Nexium sex cult. It's a 646 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,700 mess. Now, is Trump involved in it? I don't know. 647 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,350 John C. Dvorak: It seems doesn't seem like his style. 648 00:36:46,529 --> 00:36:49,919 Adam Curry: Well, he's not afraid of it. And I and I can I 649 00:36:49,919 --> 00:36:56,039 think this this shows proof 2015 CPAC when he was being vetted by 650 00:36:56,069 --> 00:37:01,019 the CPAC. For the the role of president Sean Hannity asked him 651 00:37:01,019 --> 00:37:03,989 specifically about Bill Clinton, here was the answer. 652 00:37:04,590 --> 00:37:10,140 Unknown: Bill Clinton, nice guy. Got a lot of problems coming up, 653 00:37:10,140 --> 00:37:13,650 in my opinion with the famous island with Jeffrey Epstein, a 654 00:37:13,650 --> 00:37:14,370 lot of problems. 655 00:37:14,850 --> 00:37:18,000 Adam Curry: Now, he wouldn't say that if he expected himself to 656 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,770 have a lot of problems. I would 657 00:37:19,770 --> 00:37:20,490 John C. Dvorak: agree with that. 658 00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:22,710 Adam Curry: So who I mean, 659 00:37:22,740 --> 00:37:25,800 John C. Dvorak: but he probably was close enough to to it to 660 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,630 know that Clinton has a lot of problems. Yes. And he was on the 661 00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:33,540 plane or he's, you knew Epstein. 662 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,330 Adam Curry: I don't think Trump was ever on the plane. I think 663 00:37:36,330 --> 00:37:38,910 he flew his own plane. I'm pretty sure he was there at 664 00:37:38,910 --> 00:37:39,720 least once 665 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,850 John C. Dvorak: a year. You're probably right about that. If he 666 00:37:41,850 --> 00:37:46,590 ever went there. Why would you go on? going on here. This is 667 00:37:46,590 --> 00:37:49,590 one of those things where you want to go to dinner with some 668 00:37:49,590 --> 00:37:51,840 friends and there's a bunch of people gonna go oh, we'll pick 669 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,720 you up. Now I'll take my own car because I want I don't want to 670 00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:55,440 stay. 671 00:37:55,470 --> 00:37:57,030 Adam Curry: So just to reiterate, for people who are 672 00:37:57,030 --> 00:38:00,210 new to the case, Jeffrey Epstein, very wealthy hedge fund 673 00:38:00,210 --> 00:38:05,760 manager. He had an he has, I think, still an island. And 674 00:38:05,790 --> 00:38:09,600 that's where he allegedly flew underage girls down there that 675 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,170 were recruited and then they would wind up having sex with 676 00:38:13,860 --> 00:38:18,600 with his guests. Prince Andrew has been implicated. Who's the 677 00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:24,900 prince from Monaco? whatever his name is Grimaldi last name 678 00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:29,340 Grimaldi Bill Clinton. Now there's a lot of Bill Clinton in 679 00:38:29,340 --> 00:38:33,900 this he apparently took 25 or 26 trips on Epstein's private as 680 00:38:33,900 --> 00:38:38,760 737 airplane known as the Lolita Express. But this one really 681 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,750 comes down to who was who was black mailable. Then who do they 682 00:38:42,750 --> 00:38:45,780 have on camera? Because that's the part that that is 683 00:38:45,780 --> 00:38:48,870 interesting. And all this paperwork is Epstein had cameras 684 00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:52,860 everywhere, presumably to blackmail politicians and other 685 00:38:52,890 --> 00:38:57,240 rich folk? Yeah, technique. So I personally don't think 686 00:38:57,240 --> 00:39:00,240 anything's gonna come out of this. Except maybe Epstein will 687 00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:03,390 go to jail for a long time where he belongs, but I don't think 688 00:39:03,390 --> 00:39:06,480 we're gonna see anything massively interesting. Come out 689 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:06,750 of it. 690 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,160 John C. Dvorak: I'm not gonna argue with that. And probably 691 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:19,050 even the Clinton stuff won't come out good as we still have 692 00:39:19,050 --> 00:39:20,430 the opportunity for 693 00:39:21,419 --> 00:39:22,499 Adam Curry: the opportunity for what? 694 00:39:23,790 --> 00:39:24,900 John C. Dvorak: Well, bills getting old. 695 00:39:26,190 --> 00:39:30,540 Adam Curry: Oh, is it bills time? Is this the embarrassment 696 00:39:30,540 --> 00:39:34,110 that just goes a little bit too far for the hag as Hillary 697 00:39:34,110 --> 00:39:35,160 assassination group? 698 00:39:35,580 --> 00:39:37,710 John C. Dvorak: I don't know. Do you have anything? Do you have 699 00:39:37,710 --> 00:39:40,110 anything on this sick that we kept bringing this up and I'm 700 00:39:40,110 --> 00:39:41,310 not going to bring it up anymore. 701 00:39:41,850 --> 00:39:43,710 Adam Curry: So I take it you don't have any clips or anything 702 00:39:43,710 --> 00:39:45,060 on this? No, I 703 00:39:45,060 --> 00:39:47,460 John C. Dvorak: have none. But I do have a clip backing up to the 704 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:53,730 Trump flub. Okay. There was a one of the big stories that was 705 00:39:53,730 --> 00:39:58,860 this week was the census, the census question as to the Yes. 706 00:39:58,890 --> 00:40:01,800 Are you a citizen which has become a scandalous question. 707 00:40:02,190 --> 00:40:05,460 And so I have two clips on this and one of them is funnier than 708 00:40:05,460 --> 00:40:08,400 the other. But let's start with the PBS version of this of this 709 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,020 story, which is an important story. 710 00:40:10,050 --> 00:40:12,660 Unknown: President Trump said he is considering issuing an 711 00:40:12,660 --> 00:40:16,230 executive order to get a citizenship question added to 712 00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:20,820 the 2020. US Census. This after the Supreme Court ruling last 713 00:40:20,820 --> 00:40:23,700 week to block the federal government from adding that 714 00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:27,180 question. Mr. Trump spoke to reporters this morning, before 715 00:40:27,180 --> 00:40:29,820 he left for a weekend at his New Jersey Golf Club. 716 00:40:30,660 --> 00:40:33,570 I just spoke with the Attorney General we have a number of 717 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,620 different avenues we could use. All of them are one. We're doing 718 00:40:37,620 --> 00:40:43,470 very well on that issue. We're spending 15 to $20 billion on a 719 00:40:43,470 --> 00:40:46,710 census. We're doing everything we're finding out everything 720 00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:51,630 about everybody. Think of it 15 to $20 billion and you're not 721 00:40:51,630 --> 00:40:54,000 allowed to ask them Are you a citizen? 722 00:40:54,810 --> 00:40:57,750 Adam Curry: I don't like it when the President says quote, we're 723 00:40:57,750 --> 00:41:01,590 finding out everything about everybody don't like that. 724 00:41:01,740 --> 00:41:05,310 That's not what the census is supposed to be. It's very simple 725 00:41:05,340 --> 00:41:05,670 was to 726 00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:07,980 John C. Dvorak: be a headcount, but they've got gotten carried 727 00:41:07,980 --> 00:41:10,830 away because they use it as marketing information is what 728 00:41:10,830 --> 00:41:12,510 they're that's precisely 729 00:41:12,540 --> 00:41:14,730 what the Jews for Yes, marketing. You're 730 00:41:14,730 --> 00:41:15,360 Adam Curry: so right. 731 00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:18,450 John C. Dvorak: As Jews for marketing, all right. So 732 00:41:18,450 --> 00:41:22,530 meanwhile, NBC decided to do a story on the sense of story. And 733 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,160 now you have to listen to this just complete presentation 734 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:31,020 classic NBC, which is, you know, part of the MSNBC operation the 735 00:41:31,020 --> 00:41:36,300 way around, but same thing. So why do they present now this is 736 00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:41,190 a distortion specifically about the census question. And what 737 00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:45,300 listened to the way this presented and what what spurious 738 00:41:45,300 --> 00:41:48,270 information because apparently, they had no other outlet for 739 00:41:48,270 --> 00:41:52,950 this information. So they decided to slam Trump in an 740 00:41:53,130 --> 00:41:56,550 awkward way with this story. I just was beside myself 741 00:41:56,580 --> 00:41:59,340 Unknown: and Washington, President Trump is engaged in a 742 00:41:59,340 --> 00:42:02,670 new war of words tonight with former Vice President Joe Biden 743 00:42:02,910 --> 00:42:06,240 and refusing to back down in his battle to get a question about 744 00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:09,630 citizenship on the Census. Nichols has more. 745 00:42:10,050 --> 00:42:13,710 Well, last night fresh off his military themes salute to 746 00:42:13,710 --> 00:42:17,070 America. The future belongs to us. 747 00:42:17,220 --> 00:42:20,670 The President blaming this flub about George Washington's army. 748 00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:24,660 It took over the airports it did everything it had to do on a 749 00:42:24,660 --> 00:42:26,460 teleprompter snafu 750 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,970 that teleprompter went out. And that's not a good feeling. 751 00:42:30,060 --> 00:42:32,550 And today, the President announcing he's still trying to 752 00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:36,030 find a way to ask a question about citizenship on the census, 753 00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:39,300 after the Supreme Court had stopped the Administration's 754 00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:39,870 efforts 755 00:42:39,900 --> 00:42:42,840 working in a lot of things, including an executive order. 756 00:42:43,020 --> 00:42:43,650 Mr. Trump's 757 00:42:43,650 --> 00:42:46,620 comments come as government lawyers scramble to find a legal 758 00:42:46,620 --> 00:42:50,040 way to carry out his orders, despite their conclusion earlier 759 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,520 in the week that no such pathway exists. Meanwhile, in the race 760 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,970 to take on the President Joe Biden telling CNN he was not 761 00:42:56,970 --> 00:43:00,480 ready for those debate attacks from Senator Kamala Harris on 762 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,030 race and busing in the 1970s. 763 00:43:03,180 --> 00:43:06,210 I was prepared to come after me but I wasn't prepared for the 764 00:43:06,210 --> 00:43:09,240 person coming at me the way she came out. She knew Beau she 765 00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:11,580 knows me. I don't know anyway, 766 00:43:11,790 --> 00:43:14,850 but insisting that he wouldn't be caught with his guard down 767 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,250 against the man he wants to replace 768 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,690 the idea that I'd be intimidated by Donald Trump. He's the bully 769 00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:25,860 that I knew my whole life. He's the bully that I've always stood 770 00:43:25,860 --> 00:43:26,340 up to. 771 00:43:26,430 --> 00:43:29,190 I don't think I'm a bully at all. I just don't like taking 772 00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:32,550 being taken advantage of by other countries. You look at 773 00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:37,950 what we've straightened out. The I call it the Obama Biden, you 774 00:43:37,980 --> 00:43:39,750 Mater was straightening it out. 775 00:43:39,810 --> 00:43:42,630 As for that citizenship question, administration lawyers 776 00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:44,940 told a federal judge and Maryland today that they will be 777 00:43:44,940 --> 00:43:48,630 pursuing all options, but the government has already started 778 00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:50,910 printing census forms without it. 779 00:43:51,630 --> 00:43:54,690 Adam Curry: This whole clip was like a ratatouille. Yeah. It 780 00:43:54,690 --> 00:43:54,990 was. 781 00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,550 John C. Dvorak: First day bless Trump for saying airports and 782 00:43:59,550 --> 00:44:02,760 then they got this Biden part about him and Kamla Harris is 783 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,820 gonna beat him up this have to do with the story. 784 00:44:06,540 --> 00:44:08,640 Adam Curry: Well, they had to fill a minute and 54 seconds 785 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:09,330 apparently, 786 00:44:09,690 --> 00:44:13,110 John C. Dvorak: it was my jaw dropped when I watched this of 787 00:44:13,110 --> 00:44:17,370 this package. It was like, how am I talking about the story and 788 00:44:17,370 --> 00:44:22,170 not Biden and Harris and Ben Trump in the airport. Just read 789 00:44:22,170 --> 00:44:27,810 this is how bad NBC has become debt was a piece of crap that 790 00:44:27,810 --> 00:44:28,350 report 791 00:44:28,379 --> 00:44:31,619 Adam Curry: NPR did a piece on the Census and they brought in 792 00:44:31,619 --> 00:44:39,269 the former from 2000 Who did the 2009 census. So the former 793 00:44:39,269 --> 00:44:43,109 census director, I guess you'd call him Kenneth Pruitt, and I 794 00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:47,429 have three short clips to share of his his interview. 795 00:44:47,460 --> 00:44:50,550 Unknown: The remarkable thing about what happened in 1942, 796 00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:53,670 basically, but using 1940 census data with a roundup of the 797 00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:56,730 Japanese Americans on the West Coast, is that we're still 798 00:44:56,730 --> 00:45:00,540 talking about it. 70 years later, every cent So as it comes 799 00:45:00,540 --> 00:45:03,600 along, once again, the Japanese case gets brought to the 800 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,870 surface. And the argument always is you can't trust the Census 801 00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:11,190 Bureau look what they did back in 1940. So yes, it casts a very 802 00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:15,300 long, dark shadow. This is going to be a census as it's shaping 803 00:45:15,300 --> 00:45:19,410 up right now, which will leave a partisan marker on the census, I 804 00:45:19,410 --> 00:45:20,550 think for a very long time. 805 00:45:21,150 --> 00:45:22,230 Now, let's just 806 00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:24,300 Adam Curry: get something very straight, because I've heard 807 00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:29,280 this Japanese round up Japanese Americans, that it was super 808 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,540 egregious because they were Americans. And, you know, 809 00:45:33,570 --> 00:45:37,650 they're conflating now a question about citizenship, 810 00:45:37,650 --> 00:45:41,820 which has been on many, many census questionnaires. With with 811 00:45:41,820 --> 00:45:48,060 this, this absolute stain in American history, unfairly. And 812 00:45:48,090 --> 00:45:50,940 here's, here's why this is all the problem. Would you talk a 813 00:45:50,940 --> 00:45:51,150 little 814 00:45:51,150 --> 00:45:53,280 Unknown: bit more for people who still don't understand this 815 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,850 issue? Why it is that a question like that could suppress 816 00:45:57,090 --> 00:45:59,460 people's willingness to participate. 817 00:46:00,300 --> 00:46:03,780 The current environment in the United States is one of mistrust 818 00:46:03,780 --> 00:46:06,960 of government having nothing to do with the census. And also 819 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,810 anxiety about privacy, again, having nothing to do with a 820 00:46:09,810 --> 00:46:12,960 census having to do with the Facebook, Revelations, and so 821 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,620 forth, and so on. So it's a setting right now, or a 822 00:46:16,620 --> 00:46:19,710 political setting, in which it's kind of very hard to do this 823 00:46:19,710 --> 00:46:23,910 job. There's only one definition of a good census. And that's one 824 00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:27,570 that counts everyone correctly only once and only in the right 825 00:46:27,570 --> 00:46:29,760 place. That's what makes a good census. 826 00:46:31,260 --> 00:46:34,950 Adam Curry: And I guess that means you count everybody, you 827 00:46:34,980 --> 00:46:38,310 even if they're here illegally. And the problem with that is 828 00:46:38,370 --> 00:46:42,270 it's not just about redistricting or or number of 829 00:46:42,270 --> 00:46:46,050 representatives, it does really it all revolve around money. 830 00:46:46,110 --> 00:46:49,440 Unknown: If the census is inaccurate. What effect does it 831 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:50,130 have? 832 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,670 Well, if there's a differential undercount, that is, some groups 833 00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:56,910 are missed have higher rates and other groups are some regions 834 00:46:56,910 --> 00:46:59,550 geographic areas are missed at higher levels. In other regions, 835 00:46:59,580 --> 00:47:03,630 the amount of money that is tied to Census results is in the 836 00:47:03,630 --> 00:47:06,870 billions, the amount of that money does not change, only its 837 00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:10,920 allocation changes. So a state or demographic group, which is 838 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:12,960 under counted in the census will get the less than its fair 839 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:17,160 share. And by definition, those which were totally counted 100%, 840 00:47:17,310 --> 00:47:20,400 they will get part of an unfair share, because they're getting 841 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,920 the money that's left over from the people that were not 842 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,350 counted. So that's a big consequence. Because you're 843 00:47:25,350 --> 00:47:27,390 talking about healthcare, you're talking about transportation 844 00:47:27,390 --> 00:47:30,480 systems, you talked about disaster preparedness, large 845 00:47:30,510 --> 00:47:34,560 number of things, which get federal support are allocated on 846 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,110 the basis of the fundamental Census count. 847 00:47:37,260 --> 00:47:40,260 Adam Curry: And now you understand why politicians don't 848 00:47:40,260 --> 00:47:44,760 want any segregation. Because then if if someone says, Hey, 849 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,150 I'm not a citizen, but I'm here, that'd be great. Thank you very 850 00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:52,020 much. You do not count for extra money, or something like that? 851 00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:56,340 John C. Dvorak: No, no, there's no evidence of that. You still 852 00:47:56,340 --> 00:48:00,510 get big money? If you are there one reason or that you may not 853 00:48:00,510 --> 00:48:04,380 get the representation in Congress. Okay. Which would, 854 00:48:04,380 --> 00:48:08,190 which is also the big deal? Yeah. I don't think the money is 855 00:48:08,190 --> 00:48:08,760 part of that. 856 00:48:09,390 --> 00:48:11,760 Adam Curry: Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the 857 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:16,410 Supreme Court say, Look, you guys are just a mess, come back 858 00:48:16,410 --> 00:48:18,750 and ask again, when you've got your shit straightened out. I'm 859 00:48:18,750 --> 00:48:21,270 paraphrasing to an extreme degree. Well, maybe that's 860 00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:22,680 exactly how Ginsburg said 861 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,180 John C. Dvorak: it, but I don't think they said that. But I 862 00:48:24,180 --> 00:48:25,320 think this what this meant, 863 00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,260 Adam Curry: okay, so can they come back in time from before 864 00:48:28,260 --> 00:48:29,340 this is done, or 865 00:48:29,490 --> 00:48:32,250 John C. Dvorak: according to the NBC report, which is executive 866 00:48:32,250 --> 00:48:36,060 order information? They're already printing the things 867 00:48:36,060 --> 00:48:40,110 without the question on it. Well, then, what's the problem? 868 00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:42,630 But we don't know. Well, because well, first of all, we don't 869 00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:45,240 know that if that's true, because the NBC report was so 870 00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:51,030 poorly done. It could just be a pack of lies. I don't know. I 871 00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:53,670 mean, they can stop the printing process and start over. I mean, 872 00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:57,450 I have no idea. Donald Trump is adamant about this. He had 873 00:48:57,450 --> 00:48:57,750 something 874 00:48:57,750 --> 00:49:01,050 Adam Curry: like 19 billion pages or some some crazy amount 875 00:49:01,050 --> 00:49:06,930 of paper this is going to be to use or it's just to go back to 876 00:49:06,930 --> 00:49:10,170 Joe for a second. And I think was that possibly the same 877 00:49:10,170 --> 00:49:16,470 interview? Joe is a nice source of gaff material. Not unlike 878 00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:20,250 Trump, really. It's old white guys, but take us as an example, 879 00:49:20,490 --> 00:49:25,050 can sometimes be very funny. The question was about NATO and see 880 00:49:25,050 --> 00:49:27,720 if you can find the gaff, the chancellor, 881 00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:30,450 Unknown: the former chancellor of Germany stands up she says, 882 00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:34,830 We have to go it alone. We can't count on the United States. Why 883 00:49:34,830 --> 00:49:39,720 did we set up NATO Chris? So no one nation could abuse the power 884 00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:43,290 in the region in Europe. That would suck us in in a way they 885 00:49:43,290 --> 00:49:46,770 did a World War One and World War Two is being crushed. Look 886 00:49:46,770 --> 00:49:49,350 at what's happening with Putin. While he while Putin is trying 887 00:49:49,350 --> 00:49:53,520 to undo our elections. He is undoing elections in in Europe. 888 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,580 Look what's happened in Hungary. Look what's happened in poll. 889 00:49:56,580 --> 00:49:59,640 Look what's happening. Look what's happening. You think they 890 00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,190 would have I'm on my watch a Baroque watch. You can't answer 891 00:50:02,190 --> 00:50:06,840 that. But I promise you it wouldn't. It didn't. Okay, 892 00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:08,940 John C. Dvorak: well, I don't know. I mean, I'm sure there was 893 00:50:08,940 --> 00:50:11,910 something in there religious blabbing away. It's pretty hard 894 00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:14,820 to follow if he said at the end, he didn't say he did call 895 00:50:14,820 --> 00:50:18,450 Merkel, the former chancellor. I don't know if that was the gas. 896 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:19,350 No, no, I 897 00:50:19,350 --> 00:50:21,270 Adam Curry: think I'll pinpointed here for 898 00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:24,960 Unknown: you in in Europe. Look what's happened in Hungary. Look 899 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,990 what's happened. Let's go back happening with Putin. While he 900 00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:30,840 while Putin is trying to undo our elections. He is undoing 901 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,760 elections in India firstly 902 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,010 Adam Curry: saying well, Putin was trying to undo our election 903 00:50:35,010 --> 00:50:38,460 now he's actually doing this in Europe. But then listen when he 904 00:50:38,460 --> 00:50:38,700 says 905 00:50:38,730 --> 00:50:41,190 Unknown: Europe, look what's happened in Hungary. Look what's 906 00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:43,770 happening in full what was happening? Look what's 907 00:50:43,770 --> 00:50:46,800 happening. You think that would happen on my watch or Barak 908 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:47,160 flaunt? 909 00:50:47,549 --> 00:50:50,219 Adam Curry: It actually did happen on your watch Joe Biden, 910 00:50:50,879 --> 00:50:57,509 the Russians meddled in in the elections on your watch. He was 911 00:50:57,539 --> 00:50:59,189 he was vice president at the time. 912 00:50:59,610 --> 00:51:05,400 John C. Dvorak: Yes. Very good catch and I did slip past me to 913 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:06,210 get would have caught that. 914 00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:08,220 Adam Curry: I'll play it one timing in context and then we'll 915 00:51:08,220 --> 00:51:09,630 be done with being what it 916 00:51:09,630 --> 00:51:12,750 John C. Dvorak: was there. Watch it was bought by this and 917 00:51:12,750 --> 00:51:15,120 Biden's watch when it happens. Oh, Biden's 918 00:51:15,390 --> 00:51:17,970 Unknown: is being crushed. Look at what's happening with Putin. 919 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,030 While he while Putin is trying to undo our elections. He is 920 00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:25,110 undoing elections in in Europe. Look what's happened in Hungary. 921 00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,140 Look what's happened in full what was happening. Look what's 922 00:51:28,140 --> 00:51:31,200 happening. You think that would happen on my watch or Brock 923 00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,300 watch? You can't answer that. But I promise you it wouldn't. 924 00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,720 Adam Curry: I think he realized that. That's why i said i You 925 00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:40,590 can't answer that. I think he realized it. Like shouting. 926 00:51:40,590 --> 00:51:42,210 You're right. You can't answer that you 927 00:51:42,210 --> 00:51:44,910 John C. Dvorak: were trying to cover the flub, they I'm trying 928 00:51:44,910 --> 00:51:45,210 to figure 929 00:51:45,210 --> 00:51:48,780 Adam Curry: out did you know I watched the first half USA 930 00:51:48,780 --> 00:51:53,220 versus the Netherlands. Is this game over to the day who won? 931 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,440 Because I've been voting for notice that while I'm asking the 932 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,830 troll room. I was hoping they would give me an answer. It's 933 00:51:58,830 --> 00:51:59,280 just easy 934 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:03,090 John C. Dvorak: to look up. Ah, yeah, I was taking 935 00:52:03,150 --> 00:52:07,980 Adam Curry: Yes. Okay. It's over game over to two nil for the US. 936 00:52:08,910 --> 00:52:11,430 John C. Dvorak: Actually, there was an expert that predicted the 937 00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:15,090 score of two nil really because it apparently the US is very 938 00:52:15,090 --> 00:52:17,580 good defensively and they were the other team out and they 939 00:52:17,580 --> 00:52:20,790 score early. And then they can keep they can shut a team out 940 00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:23,670 very easily. They did not score early overall talent. 941 00:52:23,730 --> 00:52:29,160 Adam Curry: They did not score early. Not in the first half. I 942 00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:33,480 thought both teams were very very strong. And i 943 00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:36,630 John C. Dvorak: i strong is scoring at no points. 944 00:52:36,810 --> 00:52:40,260 Adam Curry: I have but I have incredible adversity now against 945 00:52:40,260 --> 00:52:44,640 rapido the USA captain, just because you know 946 00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,530 John C. Dvorak: she's just the one that hates America. Yeah, 947 00:52:46,530 --> 00:52:47,040 that one. 948 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,000 Adam Curry: She she hates Trump, that's for sure. But she thinks 949 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,750 the White House is no good. That's cute. I like it Alex 950 00:52:54,750 --> 00:52:58,830 Morgan a lot from from the USA team. And you know, but I feel 951 00:52:58,830 --> 00:53:01,230 bad for the Dutch. Well, they can they can do it next time. 952 00:53:01,260 --> 00:53:03,990 They this is their first time in the finals. They'll come back. I 953 00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:07,890 think the game itself one. A lot of people were excited about 954 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:12,150 women's soccer, women's football and I'm happy about that. And 955 00:53:12,150 --> 00:53:15,840 I'm glad my home country one. Good try Holland. 956 00:53:17,130 --> 00:53:18,900 John C. Dvorak: You mean us glad that they lost? 957 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,730 Adam Curry: My home country is America. 958 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,560 John C. Dvorak: Oh, you always can choose the audience. 959 00:53:25,950 --> 00:53:30,360 Adam Curry: Know the audience has some misinformation. I'm 960 00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,700 American have always been American. I've never had a Dutch 961 00:53:32,700 --> 00:53:36,840 passport. I've never had dual nationality. I had nothing to do 962 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:42,690 with it. I didn't ask to move there. I enjoyed it. But go 963 00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,050 John C. Dvorak: speak fluent. unaccented. Dutch? That's 964 00:53:46,050 --> 00:53:46,560 correct. 965 00:53:49,860 --> 00:53:55,380 Adam Curry: And animators and animator back started with. You 966 00:53:55,380 --> 00:53:56,190 didn't know that dude. Yeah. 967 00:53:56,820 --> 00:53:58,710 John C. Dvorak: Well, congratulations to the Dutch 968 00:53:58,710 --> 00:54:03,990 team for putting up putting up a good fight. Kind of ethic. What 969 00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:06,570 I'm sure they're doing is doing the best they can and of 970 00:54:06,570 --> 00:54:11,280 appearing. They showed up dissipating. Thanks for coming. 971 00:54:14,220 --> 00:54:16,710 Adam Curry: Oh, boy. All right. Well, I have to watch the 972 00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:21,300 highlights. Okay, let's see. Do we have any? Um, oh, yes. I did 973 00:54:21,300 --> 00:54:25,020 want to just mention that the big fight started on July 4. The 974 00:54:25,110 --> 00:54:28,200 Mastodon gab fediverse. Fight. 975 00:54:28,590 --> 00:54:31,080 John C. Dvorak: Oh, yes. This is one of your this is your beat. 976 00:54:31,350 --> 00:54:35,940 Adam Curry: Yeah. So we have the fediverse which is a federation 977 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:41,820 of social social media servers. We have our own it's called no 978 00:54:41,820 --> 00:54:45,180 agenda social.com Anyone can join. You'll have to get an 979 00:54:45,180 --> 00:54:48,390 invitation from the troll room. So go to no agenda stream.com to 980 00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:55,500 get that. And any server with this open source software can 981 00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,020 it's like your own little Twitter. Only it doesn't have 982 00:54:58,020 --> 00:55:00,810 the algos in there to mess with your head at All, you know, 983 00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:05,490 lastin first out pretty or most recent is at the top, reverse 984 00:55:05,490 --> 00:55:10,830 chronological order. And then you can, you can follow and you 985 00:55:10,830 --> 00:55:13,860 can send messages back and forth, you know, tweets, 986 00:55:13,860 --> 00:55:20,250 although they're called Toots in Mastodon world, across servers 987 00:55:20,250 --> 00:55:24,030 and it's been it's been very, very fun because we have our own 988 00:55:24,030 --> 00:55:27,240 little Quadroon sitting around we got a couple 1000 People who 989 00:55:27,240 --> 00:55:30,390 are members, and then people from other servers can follow 990 00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:35,700 us. Now, almost immediately upon us joining the Federation, we 991 00:55:35,700 --> 00:55:39,690 were blocked by some of the largest instances because they 992 00:55:39,690 --> 00:55:43,950 are complete social justice warrior warrior retards, I will 993 00:55:43,950 --> 00:55:47,760 just use the word and completely out of control. And now 994 00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:55,500 conflating the mastodon project with some kind of philosophy and 995 00:55:56,220 --> 00:56:00,090 social justice movement, which as far as I'm concerned, 996 00:56:00,090 --> 00:56:03,600 software has no business being a part of, it's just that it's 997 00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:09,060 just software. And so, gab probably couldn't handle their 998 00:56:09,090 --> 00:56:13,710 scale anymore. And they decided that they were going to change 999 00:56:13,710 --> 00:56:19,380 their entire system. They were going to fork the mastodon code, 1000 00:56:19,380 --> 00:56:25,410 which is completely legal to do in, in the open software, open 1001 00:56:25,410 --> 00:56:29,250 source, open source software world, yes. And you can do with 1002 00:56:29,250 --> 00:56:31,770 it as you want, you can change it, you can add stuff, you can 1003 00:56:31,770 --> 00:56:34,950 remove stuff, and you know, if you do add stuff, you do have 1004 00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:39,270 to, to publish that and you you have economics open source comes 1005 00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:41,640 open source, he has kind of like a virus, you know, so if it 1006 00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,100 touches the open source, then it has to become open source as 1007 00:56:44,100 --> 00:56:48,030 well. Now, gab, which was started as an alternative to 1008 00:56:48,030 --> 00:56:53,100 Twitter, mainly for people being kicked off Twitter, and who are 1009 00:56:53,130 --> 00:56:57,900 of a conservative mindset in general. Although certainly 1010 00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,570 having an account that you have an account, there doesn't seem 1011 00:57:00,570 --> 00:57:03,180 to be as nutty as you'd expect it to be like, it's just all 1012 00:57:03,180 --> 00:57:06,570 swastika as an Heil Hitler. In fact, I haven't really seen any 1013 00:57:06,570 --> 00:57:10,620 of that. So they decided to federate. They did that on July 1014 00:57:10,620 --> 00:57:14,400 4. Now, the scale of this project for them must have been 1015 00:57:14,580 --> 00:57:18,540 quite immense. I know the troubles we've run into with our 1016 00:57:18,540 --> 00:57:24,420 little server bandwidth, disk issues, images just near just 1017 00:57:24,420 --> 00:57:28,470 filling up disk drives terabytes at a time it's a it's a big, 1018 00:57:28,620 --> 00:57:33,480 it's a big project. So they started without a couple of 1019 00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:37,320 features with a couple of timelines and have you ever paid 1020 00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,440 for gab do you have to pay well your for your account was just 1021 00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,250 free, okay, because because I supported them by getting a pro 1022 00:57:44,250 --> 00:57:47,070 account. I don't know what you get with that. But I'll give 1023 00:57:47,070 --> 00:57:51,540 these guys 50 bucks and I know they need help. And that's how 1024 00:57:51,540 --> 00:57:54,330 they apparently there's a value for value model for all intents 1025 00:57:54,330 --> 00:57:58,200 and purposes. Now, July 4, they start to federate. It doesn't 1026 00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:02,910 work really well, in the back end is slow. I tried to send a 1027 00:58:02,910 --> 00:58:06,210 message to myself on Gabs server. So I did it from no 1028 00:58:06,210 --> 00:58:10,020 agenda. social.com took about a day for it to show up. And some 1029 00:58:10,020 --> 00:58:14,460 things went faster some things going slower. Now, however, the 1030 00:58:14,490 --> 00:58:20,040 mastodon and net and this is the philosophy and the so called 1031 00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,610 community which we've been blocked from not the software 1032 00:58:23,610 --> 00:58:31,800 itself is up in arms. And they are so mad about the Nazis 1033 00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:36,060 coming into the Federation, that they have pre blocked everybody 1034 00:58:36,090 --> 00:58:39,120 in everything, you will never it will never let you communicate 1035 00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:43,200 with those Nazis over there. But they're completely disingenuous, 1036 00:58:43,590 --> 00:58:46,890 and I figured out what they're really mad about. I'm going to 1037 00:58:46,890 --> 00:58:50,430 read a little bit from the statement on Gatter you're going 1038 00:58:50,430 --> 00:58:56,820 with this the statement on Gabs fork of Mastodon Mastodon is 1039 00:58:56,820 --> 00:58:59,820 completely a partner. So now they're Mastodon I don't know if 1040 00:58:59,820 --> 00:59:02,700 they're speaking as the software if this is a software that all 1041 00:59:02,700 --> 00:59:05,670 of a sudden can talk or if it's a bunch of guys who developed 1042 00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:10,080 it, but they say Mastodon Mastodon is completely opposed 1043 00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:14,010 to Gabs project and philosophy, which seems to me my way, way, 1044 00:59:14,010 --> 00:59:14,250 way. 1045 00:59:14,250 --> 00:59:16,560 John C. Dvorak: Wait, where are you reading this from me? It 1046 00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:18,420 sounds like you were reading it from the gab site. 1047 00:59:18,540 --> 00:59:22,770 Adam Curry: No, no, I'm reading it from the join mastodon.org 1048 00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:24,750 John C. Dvorak: Oh, you're talking about okay, this is 1049 00:59:24,750 --> 00:59:27,510 social justice warriors. Yes. Okay. 1050 00:59:27,540 --> 00:59:29,760 Adam Curry: Couldn't you tell from my SJW voice? 1051 00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,360 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, that would have been better, but that's 1052 00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:33,600 what I'm 1053 00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:37,650 Adam Curry: doing. I'll amp it up a bit. Mastodon is completely 1054 00:59:37,650 --> 00:59:41,790 opposed to Gabs project and philosophy, which seeks to 1055 00:59:41,910 --> 00:59:47,820 monetize and platform racist content while hiding behind the 1056 00:59:47,820 --> 00:59:51,990 banner of free speech. And right off the bat. I knew what the 1057 00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:56,760 problem was. These little fox are pissed off that someone is 1058 00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:02,100 actually willing to pay gab money to use their server, and 1059 01:00:02,100 --> 01:00:05,910 I've been getting hate Toots all over the place, and it generally 1060 01:00:05,910 --> 01:00:10,200 is the same thing. It's they're charging people money for a 1061 01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,500 broken service. They're they're taking away features and 1062 01:00:13,500 --> 01:00:17,790 charging people to put the features back in. And I and all 1063 01:00:17,790 --> 01:00:22,830 I can say is so who cares what the if they can get money to pay 1064 01:00:22,830 --> 01:00:25,980 if they can get people to pay money for their version of a 1065 01:00:25,980 --> 01:00:29,040 server, which they could they could join no agenda social.com 1066 01:00:29,190 --> 01:00:31,980 And they could have more features and we wouldn't charge 1067 01:00:31,980 --> 01:00:35,610 them anything. But if that's what they want to do, who cares? 1068 01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:39,810 No, but they're veiling this and I think this is an overall issue 1069 01:00:39,810 --> 01:00:43,770 with the open source movement. The minute someone takes open 1070 01:00:43,770 --> 01:00:49,710 source software and monetizes it, they get their panties in a 1071 01:00:49,710 --> 01:00:53,700 bunch. Usually people create open soft, soft, soft open 1072 01:00:53,700 --> 01:00:57,450 source software to fight against an established established 1073 01:00:57,450 --> 01:01:01,350 system such as an operating system Linux. So what's the girl 1074 01:01:01,350 --> 01:01:06,720 Kim, who started the enterprise? Sis the enterprise company based 1075 01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:12,030 on Linux? Maybe it wasn't just a red hat. Was it Red Hat? Yeah, 1076 01:01:12,030 --> 01:01:15,960 Red Hat. That's what I'm saying. Red Hat. So she got so much hate 1077 01:01:16,050 --> 01:01:18,720 taking our work. And that's that that's 1078 01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,060 John C. Dvorak: that was a woman that started Red Hat. Yeah. 1079 01:01:21,090 --> 01:01:26,610 Adam Curry: Was Kim Kim polisi. I think, Joe? Yes, yes, yes, 1080 01:01:26,610 --> 01:01:31,740 yes, I keep talking. Well, maybe she became the CEO later. So 1081 01:01:31,770 --> 01:01:34,140 right off the bat, I'll read you this first sentence again. 1082 01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,530 Mastodon has come up without the voice. Mastodon is completely 1083 01:01:37,530 --> 01:01:41,130 opposed to Gabs project and philosophy, which seeks to 1084 01:01:41,130 --> 01:01:46,650 monetize and platform racist content. While hiding behind the 1085 01:01:46,650 --> 01:01:51,540 banner of free speech. Mastodon remains committed to standing up 1086 01:01:51,540 --> 01:01:56,490 against hate speech. For example, our new server covenant 1087 01:01:56,850 --> 01:02:01,500 means we only list the servers on join mastodon.org that are 1088 01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:06,000 committed to active moderation against racism, sexism, and 1089 01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:11,790 transphobia. The Mastodon the mastodon community does not 1090 01:02:11,790 --> 01:02:15,900 approve of their attempt to hijack our infrastructure, and 1091 01:02:15,900 --> 01:02:19,950 has already taken steps to isolate gab and keep hate speech 1092 01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:21,900 off the fediverse. 1093 01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:25,260 John C. Dvorak: Do they know what open source is? Well, they 1094 01:02:25,260 --> 01:02:30,870 Adam Curry: are so again. Let's go down to the to the final 1095 01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:34,770 paragraph. In addition to the isolation gab can expect from 1096 01:02:34,770 --> 01:02:38,880 the fediverse it is clear that their design choices offer users 1097 01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:43,440 no incentive to choose their platform by pay walling basic 1098 01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:48,030 features that are freely freely available on Mastodon gab puts 1099 01:02:48,030 --> 01:02:51,480 itself at a disadvantage compared to any Mastodon 1100 01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:55,950 instance, Mastodon remains non commercially structured and all 1101 01:02:55,950 --> 01:03:00,000 features are available to users freely from the start. They are 1102 01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:04,860 so butthurt over the fact that these guys are getting donations 1103 01:03:05,010 --> 01:03:08,340 that I think they're literally willing to take people from gab 1104 01:03:08,700 --> 01:03:13,170 just to get them on their their full featured no charge servers. 1105 01:03:14,730 --> 01:03:19,380 It's it's so transparent, that that is the essence of what 1106 01:03:19,380 --> 01:03:23,670 these people are angry about. That they're making money doing. 1107 01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:24,120 This 1108 01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:25,080 John C. Dvorak: is a stretch. 1109 01:03:25,110 --> 01:03:27,390 Adam Curry: It's all I'm reading it. 1110 01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:29,910 John C. Dvorak: Well, I think it's rationalization and 1111 01:03:30,150 --> 01:03:32,550 disappoint for them to bitch about that because they're gonna 1112 01:03:32,550 --> 01:03:35,940 bitch about everything. But even if they Okay, let the law show 1113 01:03:36,180 --> 01:03:42,510 the rhetorical question. If there was zero money being made 1114 01:03:42,540 --> 01:03:45,360 by gap, do you think these people would put up with it? No. 1115 01:03:46,350 --> 01:03:48,780 Adam Curry: So I take your point, I think you're correct. 1116 01:03:48,780 --> 01:03:52,800 It's rationalization of their unhinge behavior. Yeah, there 1117 01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,560 you go. Thank you. I'll take that thank you. That's real time 1118 01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:56,310 analysis. 1119 01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:58,890 John C. Dvorak: All right, Bob young and Mark Ewing started 1120 01:03:58,890 --> 01:04:01,860 redhead Kim places never had anything to do where was Kim 1121 01:04:01,860 --> 01:04:05,730 policing? Jesus Son and then she became a she's a West Coast 1122 01:04:05,730 --> 01:04:07,410 girl. This was an East Coast operation I 1123 01:04:07,410 --> 01:04:09,270 Adam Curry: thought came place he ran a big open source 1124 01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:19,980 software company. Yes, Spike source, okay. Anyway, so for 1125 01:04:19,980 --> 01:04:26,700 some reason, people who wanted a free and a system that was not 1126 01:04:26,700 --> 01:04:30,660 beholden to Silicon Valley, have decided that they're going to be 1127 01:04:30,660 --> 01:04:34,320 the heroes of the internet and they're going to block and 1128 01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:40,740 moderate against racism, sexism and transphobia. And I'm 1129 01:04:40,740 --> 01:04:44,790 thinking to myself self, these people are the dumbest idiots in 1130 01:04:44,790 --> 01:04:45,360 the world. 1131 01:04:45,780 --> 01:04:48,930 John C. Dvorak: People want the danger smart idiots that are out 1132 01:04:48,930 --> 01:04:49,230 there. 1133 01:04:49,290 --> 01:04:53,190 Adam Curry: People want danger. They love it. They want to have 1134 01:04:53,190 --> 01:04:56,340 the danger of getting something not I mean, you look at our at 1135 01:04:56,340 --> 01:05:02,190 our federated timeline. It's a mess. but it's the world it's 1136 01:05:02,220 --> 01:05:06,390 you see what comes through from from China and Japan and the 1137 01:05:06,420 --> 01:05:10,740 manga culture, it's a mess, but you can block it, you can mute 1138 01:05:10,740 --> 01:05:13,440 it, you can get rid of it, you don't have to look at it at all. 1139 01:05:13,650 --> 01:05:17,220 But people love that danger and they will gravitate towards 1140 01:05:17,220 --> 01:05:20,310 this, they're going to run away from you a little closed off 1141 01:05:20,310 --> 01:05:23,850 systems, it's so counterproductive to what 1142 01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:29,940 otherwise is a great idea. And just finalize my rant here. The 1143 01:05:29,940 --> 01:05:34,680 Federal the idea of Federation does not mean that everyone 1144 01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:38,760 should have the right to be copied and propagated across all 1145 01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:42,510 of these instances or servers. So everybody sees your message 1146 01:05:42,660 --> 01:05:46,800 at quite the opposite. The beauty is you can block it off. 1147 01:05:47,730 --> 01:05:51,540 So if you're not interested in in what what happens on no 1148 01:05:51,540 --> 01:05:55,800 agenda social.com Where people who post they're either muted 1149 01:05:55,830 --> 01:05:58,800 block it block the whole server, that's fine live in your own 1150 01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:03,030 little world there's no whoever said it had to be all open 1151 01:06:03,030 --> 01:06:06,120 that's the whole point is like now you can connect who you want 1152 01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:09,510 to and if someone doesn't like the policy or the what do they 1153 01:06:09,510 --> 01:06:13,470 call this the covenant of their instance like the same pocket 1154 01:06:13,470 --> 01:06:17,940 they don't have a government if you don't like the covenant for 1155 01:06:17,940 --> 01:06:20,610 five bucks a month you can start your own and be a part of the 1156 01:06:20,610 --> 01:06:24,240 federal verse however you want to be a part of it. That's just 1157 01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:29,340 it's it is a an unbeliever people need to study this as a 1158 01:06:31,860 --> 01:06:37,650 man this is something that yeah, what's the word I'm looking for? 1159 01:06:37,650 --> 01:06:39,840 who studies human history human behavior? 1160 01:06:41,130 --> 01:06:42,510 John C. Dvorak: Historian 1161 01:06:43,380 --> 01:06:48,330 Adam Curry: now psychology okay, you're not helping 1162 01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:52,500 John C. Dvorak: Adam curry king of the Federation vote Adam 1163 01:06:52,500 --> 01:06:53,340 curry. 1164 01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,790 Adam Curry: I don't need to be king of anything. But I need to 1165 01:06:56,790 --> 01:07:00,750 be but this is what's going on here is much bigger will be much 1166 01:07:00,750 --> 01:07:03,660 bigger than Twitter and Facebook and all this other bull crap 1167 01:07:03,660 --> 01:07:07,020 combined. This is where it's going and the Federation the 1168 01:07:07,020 --> 01:07:11,310 genies out of the bottle. And I think it's much healthier so now 1169 01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,040 you can have all the social justice warriors in their little 1170 01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:17,310 corner blocking off everything else and then no one has to deal 1171 01:07:17,310 --> 01:07:21,570 with them they can route around in their own little river. Just 1172 01:07:21,570 --> 01:07:22,410 fine 1173 01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,360 John C. Dvorak: it's like it would actually be preferable. 1174 01:07:25,110 --> 01:07:27,930 Adam Curry: Exactly it's exactly the way it should be. 1175 01:07:29,070 --> 01:07:33,720 John C. Dvorak: So although people over here I'm sorry SJW 1176 01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:35,280 is over there. Yes. 1177 01:07:35,370 --> 01:07:38,460 Adam Curry: normies No, no, in fact, I got I got called armies 1178 01:07:38,490 --> 01:07:41,850 I call army I got called a fucking Normie yesterday you got 1179 01:07:41,850 --> 01:07:44,760 called the normal fucking normal not just the normal fucking 1180 01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:45,690 Normie Why was 1181 01:07:45,690 --> 01:07:48,690 John C. Dvorak: somebody used the majority of fucking to 1182 01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:52,230 describe a Normie and what was on his mind who is is a 1183 01:07:52,230 --> 01:07:53,970 different than just a regular Normie 1184 01:07:54,090 --> 01:07:56,880 Adam Curry: I guess if you want anyone on to say you know don't 1185 01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,850 you want black penis OG stuff like that. That's that's that's 1186 01:07:59,850 --> 01:08:03,300 Mastodon that's, you know, please block our server. I don't 1187 01:08:03,300 --> 01:08:07,320 want to be any part of that. If that's all you got to say go 1188 01:08:07,350 --> 01:08:08,790 away who gives a crap? 1189 01:08:11,790 --> 01:08:13,860 John C. Dvorak: Just I'm glad you're adamant about to so you 1190 01:08:13,860 --> 01:08:15,120 may be onto something. 1191 01:08:15,510 --> 01:08:17,670 Adam Curry: You should check. I know you have an account. 1192 01:08:17,729 --> 01:08:19,739 John C. Dvorak: You might go on it all the time. 1193 01:08:20,100 --> 01:08:22,800 Adam Curry: And with that, I'd like to thank you for your 1194 01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:26,280 courage and say in the morning to you, the man who put the sea 1195 01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:30,420 in? I don't know. I haven't I'm out of ideas. John C. diff. 1196 01:08:30,420 --> 01:08:31,680 Alright ladies and gentlemen. 1197 01:08:32,130 --> 01:08:35,430 John C. Dvorak: You have a list. Morning to you Mr. Adam curry in 1198 01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:37,860 the morning all ships that she boots on the ground feet in the 1199 01:08:37,860 --> 01:08:40,560 air subs in the water and all the cows and danger nights out 1200 01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:40,770 there. 1201 01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:44,310 Adam Curry: Did you say cows? Did I I think you said cows and 1202 01:08:44,310 --> 01:08:47,400 Dames out their cows and names and nights. Yes, very good. 1203 01:08:47,460 --> 01:08:49,950 Cows, Knights and Dames and names and nights. Yes, in the 1204 01:08:49,950 --> 01:08:52,170 morning to the trolls and the troll room. Let me see what we 1205 01:08:52,170 --> 01:08:55,620 got here. It's been a it's been a slow week. Oh, we saw over 1206 01:08:55,620 --> 01:08:58,920 1000 That's nice. It's good to see people there that has no 1207 01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:03,960 agenda. stream.com 24/7 we have shows running live shows you can 1208 01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:06,840 comment and comment on them. You can go and get your no agenda 1209 01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:11,790 social.com Invite by going to no agendas. stream.com And we had 1210 01:09:11,790 --> 01:09:14,460 Darren Oh during the pre stream this morning and it's always 1211 01:09:14,460 --> 01:09:18,690 something fun. At no agenda stream.com 1212 01:09:25,170 --> 01:09:29,670 That's right. We want to thank Mike Riley for the artwork for 1213 01:09:29,670 --> 01:09:33,750 episode 1152. The title of that was V again, very confusing 1214 01:09:33,750 --> 01:09:36,480 title for most people probably the way we spelled it. 1215 01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:39,810 John C. Dvorak: But if you read it out loud you knew any you 1216 01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:43,020 spoke German or understood any German you know exactly what it 1217 01:09:43,020 --> 01:09:45,030 meant. Or if you listened to the show, you'd probably know what 1218 01:09:45,030 --> 01:09:47,370 it meant. The show is very clear. It's very gay and 1219 01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:51,120 Adam Curry: Mike Riley gave us the artwork. Now there were 1220 01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:54,660 several choices once again, we clearly didn't think any of the 1221 01:09:54,660 --> 01:09:59,190 Nike stuff was all that great. It was pretty like really low 1222 01:09:59,190 --> 01:10:00,630 hanging fruit. stuff 1223 01:10:00,660 --> 01:10:03,060 John C. Dvorak: but the wasn't GDM is too obvious 1224 01:10:03,090 --> 01:10:07,380 Adam Curry: the mike Riley piece was nice it was it was clearly a 1225 01:10:08,070 --> 01:10:15,300 a an original piece. It was a fourth of July Fife and Drum 1226 01:10:15,390 --> 01:10:20,010 trio with one of them I guess that's you with the with the 1227 01:10:20,010 --> 01:10:25,560 buck teeth saying I got ants was there anything else in me? Was 1228 01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:27,360 there anything else we needed to discuss? 1229 01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:30,210 John C. Dvorak: It was just an it was a piece of wood got to do 1230 01:10:30,210 --> 01:10:32,250 I was looking for What if something had to have the flag 1231 01:10:32,250 --> 01:10:35,010 and some mentioned the fourth, besides just fireworks with the 1232 01:10:35,010 --> 01:10:38,760 flag was like a prerequisite to me. And so I'm looking around 1233 01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:42,150 and that was one of the and that was a cartoony thing which was 1234 01:10:42,150 --> 01:10:45,540 do as light hearted and Riley can do that sort of thing 1235 01:10:45,540 --> 01:10:50,850 constantly. Me is just kind of that guy. Yeah. And just so it 1236 01:10:50,850 --> 01:10:53,100 was just a no brainer actually to pick that piece. 1237 01:10:53,580 --> 01:10:57,150 Adam Curry: Well, and we may have issues. Today, we didn't 1238 01:10:57,150 --> 01:11:00,360 even have a pre show art. People on vacation. 1239 01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:02,190 John C. Dvorak: People nobody's listening. 1240 01:11:04,020 --> 01:11:07,830 Adam Curry: We're just talking into avoid, avoid. Avoid 1241 01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:10,740 talking. This used to be a lot of people on the stream. Those 1242 01:11:10,740 --> 01:11:18,090 people probably didn't, by the way. What a dud. The newsletter 1243 01:11:18,300 --> 01:11:19,290 a total dud. 1244 01:11:19,799 --> 01:11:21,749 John C. Dvorak: Oh, yeah, was a total dud. And we 1245 01:11:21,750 --> 01:11:24,090 Adam Curry: had and I'm never going to provide my personal 1246 01:11:24,090 --> 01:11:25,290 pictures ever again. 1247 01:11:25,740 --> 01:11:28,620 John C. Dvorak: And there's some good shots in there too. And I 1248 01:11:28,620 --> 01:11:32,490 went through the trouble of producing a big giant photo with 1249 01:11:32,490 --> 01:11:37,590 Photoshop to minimize the number of photo can Yeah, so wouldn't 1250 01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:41,310 get stuck in spam. Yeah, there's only one photo instead of five 1251 01:11:41,310 --> 01:11:47,010 or four or whatever it was. And but and it kind of worked seems 1252 01:11:47,010 --> 01:11:49,410 but nobody was there to pick it up because they're all floating 1253 01:11:49,410 --> 01:11:53,940 around, you know living it up in this good economy. So what are 1254 01:11:53,940 --> 01:11:54,420 you going to do? 1255 01:11:54,450 --> 01:11:57,150 Adam Curry: I guess so I guess so. Well, if you're going to be 1256 01:11:57,150 --> 01:11:57,540 awake, I 1257 01:11:57,540 --> 01:11:58,620 John C. Dvorak: thought it was funny. 1258 01:11:59,580 --> 01:12:04,260 Adam Curry: I thought Yeah. I didn't realize I sent you the 1259 01:12:04,260 --> 01:12:07,680 picture of me dance with my sisters which is very funny. And 1260 01:12:07,710 --> 01:12:10,710 and then you commented on it. Like I'm not sure what Adam 1261 01:12:10,710 --> 01:12:15,420 sister Tiffany is doing but it's not good. Now Willow, of course 1262 01:12:15,450 --> 01:12:18,030 listens to the show and subscribes to the newsletter and 1263 01:12:18,030 --> 01:12:25,110 she immediately send it to Tiffany Of course. Okie dokie 1264 01:12:25,470 --> 01:12:29,220 but there was no one no one even bothered photoshopping my air 1265 01:12:29,220 --> 01:12:33,180 guitar. I mean that thing just screams Photoshop now nothing no 1266 01:12:33,180 --> 01:12:38,700 traction zero so sorry. And that was also reflected in the way 1267 01:12:38,700 --> 01:12:42,270 the newsletter works is it's a reminder that you have your show 1268 01:12:42,660 --> 01:12:46,140 is being produced once again another one will drop tomorrow 1269 01:12:46,350 --> 01:12:48,660 and people typically take that as their as their 1270 01:12:48,660 --> 01:12:50,340 John C. Dvorak: killed pick it up and run it. 1271 01:12:51,480 --> 01:12:52,920 Adam Curry: Pick it up pick up but what do you mean? 1272 01:12:53,370 --> 01:12:54,420 John C. Dvorak: Whatever was dropped 1273 01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:01,320 Adam Curry: What did you have for breakfast? Sorghum flakes? 1274 01:13:01,500 --> 01:13:03,330 John C. Dvorak: No, actually I had a Danish 1275 01:13:04,410 --> 01:13:08,850 Adam Curry: we'd like to thank a few people for today's show who 1276 01:13:08,850 --> 01:13:11,970 did step up and support us. 1277 01:13:12,540 --> 01:13:16,620 John C. Dvorak: We'd like to think three people at least at 1278 01:13:16,620 --> 01:13:19,320 this at this level. We have another 10 people to think 1279 01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:24,060 afterwards. Let's start Officer John over all night runner 1280 01:13:25,710 --> 01:13:32,760 $333.77 from Victoria BC so our top donor is a Canadian he pick 1281 01:13:33,180 --> 01:13:37,980 Adam John this donation for episode 1153 which is an angel 1282 01:13:37,980 --> 01:13:42,360 number in numerology. Some Sir John overall Knight runner 1283 01:13:42,540 --> 01:13:46,560 coming to you from the lake by the caves on Vancouver Island 1284 01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:50,400 and beautiful British Columbia, Canada. And by the way, that is 1285 01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,320 Adam Curry: a beautiful part of the world. 1286 01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:56,820 John C. Dvorak: But Victoria, where he lives is probably the 1287 01:13:56,820 --> 01:13:59,490 prettiest city on the West Coast no matter what anybody says 1288 01:13:59,490 --> 01:14:04,050 about San Francisco with or without the poop. Victoria is 1289 01:14:04,140 --> 01:14:08,550 absolutely just dynamite it's a very very just dynamite. Anyway, 1290 01:14:08,790 --> 01:14:11,190 I'm out camping with my boys. I mean I catch the show live I 1291 01:14:11,190 --> 01:14:13,920 really hope it really goes well. Since half of the time I've 1292 01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:18,600 donated my notes did not come come through properly for some 1293 01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:23,130 reason. And I have to ask for a make good. First donation is my 1294 01:14:23,130 --> 01:14:25,770 favorite blue cheese dressing recipe which can be found on 1295 01:14:25,770 --> 01:14:31,260 page 33 In my buddy's cookbook, man fried in the kitchen. Easy 1296 01:14:31,260 --> 01:14:36,630 to prepare munchies. Available as sexy food in the kitchen.com 1297 01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:38,940 Adam Curry: got to pick that one up. That sounds like a good one. 1298 01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:43,620 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, sounds good. related. Congratulations. 1299 01:14:43,620 --> 01:14:47,130 Do you add him on your nuptials to Tina the keeper thanks to all 1300 01:14:47,130 --> 01:14:50,550 the great reports from Gitmo East a bit late for Canada Day 1301 01:14:50,730 --> 01:14:54,780 and July 4, but this day is so much more important. After all, 1302 01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:59,970 it's my birthday. This donation includes them lucky sevens is a 1303 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,630 Today is my double nickel birthday on seventh seventh 1304 01:15:03,630 --> 01:15:06,480 please add me to the birthday list and note to add them I am 1305 01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:10,350 with you as I plan to be here another 40 or 45 years and laugh 1306 01:15:10,350 --> 01:15:15,690 at them all from my rocking chair please finally please 1307 01:15:15,690 --> 01:15:21,330 mentioned my podcast WP plugins A to Z a weekly WordPress 1308 01:15:21,330 --> 01:15:27,030 podcast you look that up on the on the Google or the Bing WP 1309 01:15:27,030 --> 01:15:31,080 plugins A to Z which is becoming an eight year overnight success 1310 01:15:31,110 --> 01:15:33,420 Adam Curry: that's how that's how podcasting works my friend 1311 01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,060 overnight eight year success yes 1312 01:15:36,480 --> 01:15:38,130 John C. Dvorak: it's all overnight in the scheme of 1313 01:15:38,130 --> 01:15:41,070 things is definitely overnight on episode think of the 1314 01:15:41,070 --> 01:15:45,120 dinosaurs on episode 415 has moved towards episode 420 in one 1315 01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:51,030 short month please play 6969 Dudes 99 glitches go podcasting 1316 01:15:51,030 --> 01:15:54,090 please hand out relationship podcasting and business karma 1317 01:15:54,090 --> 01:15:54,330 for 1318 01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:58,290 Adam Curry: all Sir John overall Knight runner thank you for for 1319 01:15:58,290 --> 01:16:03,480 stepping up and being here for us. In our in our low lowest of 1320 01:16:03,480 --> 01:16:09,030 the year, lowest of the year week. And for sure I'll check 1321 01:16:09,030 --> 01:16:12,930 out episode 420 6969 1322 01:16:14,940 --> 01:16:17,550 Unknown: If you haven't tech problems I feel bad for your son 1323 01:16:17,550 --> 01:16:20,280 I got 99 problems but a glitching one. 1324 01:16:33,090 --> 01:16:33,930 Adam Curry: Podcast 1325 01:16:34,980 --> 01:16:35,730 Unknown: you've got 1326 01:16:35,940 --> 01:16:36,600 karma 1327 01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:45,660 John C. Dvorak: Sudan silver and you are beach Hawaii during the 1328 01:16:45,660 --> 01:16:49,230 20 bucks when he sent a check in with a note. The very short 1329 01:16:49,230 --> 01:16:53,910 note. I've been neglecting my duties as a no agenda listener. 1330 01:16:53,940 --> 01:16:58,440 Oh, but better late than never. Thank you for your lovely show. 1331 01:16:58,890 --> 01:17:04,170 The good cheer and the news in J and K just your good vibe and 1332 01:17:04,170 --> 01:17:05,340 thanks. Oh ha 1333 01:17:05,370 --> 01:17:10,200 Adam Curry: Yes. Thank you for your Aloha. We need an Aloha. 1334 01:17:11,940 --> 01:17:16,140 That's Hawaiian karma. Isn't it? Ferguson. Ferguson. 1335 01:17:16,530 --> 01:17:20,910 John C. Dvorak: No, I'm sorry. I don't know. What am I why am I 1336 01:17:20,910 --> 01:17:21,900 blanking on this? 1337 01:17:21,930 --> 01:17:25,020 Adam Curry: I don't know. But notice I'm not making fun of 1338 01:17:25,020 --> 01:17:25,290 you. 1339 01:17:25,830 --> 01:17:29,520 John C. Dvorak: You will you should. Chris Black $233.33. 1340 01:17:32,340 --> 01:17:35,700 Hello gents Chris Black here from Gitmo nation region cara 1341 01:17:35,730 --> 01:17:40,650 cara, calm Caribbean. CARICOM. 1342 01:17:42,420 --> 01:17:45,960 Adam Curry: CARICOM is the Carissa like North calm. It's 1343 01:17:45,990 --> 01:17:50,970 CARICOM the Caribbean command. It is it's an acronym, the 1344 01:17:50,970 --> 01:17:53,940 military acronym. Oh, 1345 01:17:55,290 --> 01:17:57,510 John C. Dvorak: I appreciate the dedication and hard work 1346 01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:03,480 non-thinking Fletcher. CARICOM like that pulled net and forget 1347 01:18:03,480 --> 01:18:03,930 Fletcher. 1348 01:18:04,740 --> 01:18:06,030 Adam Curry: I have a new calling in line. 1349 01:18:07,710 --> 01:18:10,110 John C. Dvorak: So Fletcher says you know he wants to do help 1350 01:18:10,110 --> 01:18:13,440 with a radio show. Yes. Oh, yeah. The radio plays. 1351 01:18:14,010 --> 01:18:14,850 Unknown: Let me guess. 1352 01:18:15,870 --> 01:18:19,890 John C. Dvorak: He sent me a tape. He does about 14 and 15 1353 01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:24,630 Absolutely stunning, different voices, offbeat voices. 1354 01:18:24,690 --> 01:18:26,250 Adam Curry: And why does this not surprise me? 1355 01:18:26,820 --> 01:18:28,500 John C. Dvorak: And they're all good. He's also has a deep 1356 01:18:28,500 --> 01:18:32,010 voice, not the boomer that I like but as deeply it's 1357 01:18:32,010 --> 01:18:35,400 definitely a narrator's voice but he does the hippie and he 1358 01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:41,460 does a dip shit is a great dip shit kind of a you know just in 1359 01:18:41,460 --> 01:18:44,460 between dipshit guy can't quite do it neither one of us do it. 1360 01:18:44,670 --> 01:18:47,970 And a whole bunch of deep throated guys and and wacky 1361 01:18:47,970 --> 01:18:53,370 wacky sounds and he sustains them This to me is the hardest 1362 01:18:53,370 --> 01:18:56,880 part yeah keeping in mind who's does a lot of this sort of thing 1363 01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:01,830 he sent me a tape of stuff and and every so often when you 1364 01:19:01,830 --> 01:19:05,010 listen to do bla bla bla bla bla and then you up here you hear 1365 01:19:05,010 --> 01:19:10,080 his voice because he's staining a completely different voice. 1366 01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:13,620 Adam Curry: Good is hard. That's hard. He's very hard to do. I 1367 01:19:13,620 --> 01:19:16,350 mean, I can do Friday the firewall but that's about it. 1368 01:19:17,460 --> 01:19:20,100 John C. Dvorak: And you probably couldn't sustain it through like 1369 01:19:25,860 --> 01:19:29,460 you know, a people have bitched at voice you know, many people 1370 01:19:29,490 --> 01:19:31,230 are rubs people the wrong way. 1371 01:19:31,230 --> 01:19:33,510 Adam Curry: A lot of people want it to want to reprise one a 1372 01:19:33,510 --> 01:19:36,780 radio play of a Friday the firewall I've received I've 1373 01:19:36,780 --> 01:19:41,460 received notices about this. Yes. logging your camera kids. 1374 01:19:42,179 --> 01:19:44,759 John C. Dvorak: Anyway, so Fletcher, I had no idea that he 1375 01:19:44,759 --> 01:19:52,529 had a repertoire is absolutely phenomenal. Good. So but he 1376 01:19:52,529 --> 01:19:55,679 could do the Aloha and as in the scream, 1377 01:19:55,890 --> 01:19:59,550 Adam Curry: go yes, yes, yes, yes. Anyway, have a problem with 1378 01:19:59,550 --> 01:20:00,000 something 1379 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,740 John C. Dvorak: Are gonna rights continues to say Chris Black you 1380 01:20:04,740 --> 01:20:08,490 mean? Yes. Yes, that's who it is. I have a problem with 1381 01:20:08,490 --> 01:20:13,710 something being repeated on your show. Jamaican is not a race 1382 01:20:14,100 --> 01:20:18,120 that we ever said that? I don't think so. Tenacity. My entire 1383 01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:21,210 family background is Jamaican. But I was born in the US. I'm 1384 01:20:21,210 --> 01:20:23,820 the only one in my family who voted for Trump. And I can 1385 01:20:23,820 --> 01:20:27,150 articulate my reasons for doing so. I recently went on a eight 1386 01:20:27,150 --> 01:20:30,810 hour road trip with my uncle who hates the president. It was an 1387 01:20:30,810 --> 01:20:34,380 uninjured. It was an interesting trip, but I think that I think 1388 01:20:34,380 --> 01:20:38,280 it means James got confused when they run into blacks who support 1389 01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:42,660 the racist, quote unquote, but ultimately, their justification 1390 01:20:42,660 --> 01:20:47,610 is I hate myself also. Yep, so about Mrs. Harris, her dad, 1391 01:20:47,610 --> 01:20:50,790 Donald Harris is Jamaican of European and African descent. 1392 01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:55,710 Thus, the complex issue of his ancestors owned slaves. The 1393 01:20:55,740 --> 01:20:58,860 Caribbean is full of blacks, quote, unquote, who are 1394 01:20:58,860 --> 01:21:01,620 descendants of slaves brought over from Africa. So 1395 01:21:01,620 --> 01:21:04,260 technically, blacks from Jamaica can also be descendants of 1396 01:21:04,260 --> 01:21:10,650 slaves. Sure. Not descendants of American slavery. No, Jamaica 1397 01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:14,070 has black, white, Indian and Chinese Jamaicans which are all 1398 01:21:14,070 --> 01:21:16,980 various races, even growing up in South Florida, the African 1399 01:21:16,980 --> 01:21:20,910 American blacks never referred to me as being black. Exactly. 1400 01:21:21,480 --> 01:21:25,980 Even though I look just like them. What a mess, classic 1401 01:21:25,980 --> 01:21:27,000 divide and conquer. 1402 01:21:27,450 --> 01:21:30,270 Adam Curry: Before you do the PS, I have a segment coming 1403 01:21:30,270 --> 01:21:34,020 right up after this break, which will delve even deeper into that 1404 01:21:34,020 --> 01:21:36,630 because he doesn't really say anything. He has a beef but it 1405 01:21:36,630 --> 01:21:41,220 doesn't. He just says hey, we we could we can also be slaves. 1406 01:21:41,220 --> 01:21:45,390 Yeah, sure. This but it comes back to Kamala Harris. When you 1407 01:21:45,390 --> 01:21:52,170 say in America, I'm black. That used to mean up until two, three 1408 01:21:52,170 --> 01:21:55,740 years ago, pretty much you are an American descendant of 1409 01:21:55,740 --> 01:21:58,740 slavery. You could be half black and have a white mom, you have a 1410 01:21:58,740 --> 01:22:03,720 Chinese mom, anything you want. But if you were a black, you are 1411 01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:06,780 descent Am I misstating this, John, I mean, you've been around 1412 01:22:06,780 --> 01:22:07,980 a little longer and I have 1413 01:22:07,980 --> 01:22:09,660 John C. Dvorak: something I don't really want to get into 1414 01:22:09,690 --> 01:22:14,100 personally. And so I can't say your mistake because I would 1415 01:22:14,130 --> 01:22:17,580 personally think that you're not mistaken stating it but I think 1416 01:22:17,580 --> 01:22:18,600 this is a can of worms. 1417 01:22:18,630 --> 01:22:21,210 Adam Curry: Oh, good. Well, I'll have other people do that and 1418 01:22:21,210 --> 01:22:22,560 some clips I have coming up 1419 01:22:22,590 --> 01:22:27,330 John C. Dvorak: good. Anyway, onward. PSC says, I'm currently 1420 01:22:27,330 --> 01:22:31,350 on my way to the US Mexico soccer match. Can I also get a 1421 01:22:31,350 --> 01:22:39,300 divorce karma, please. All she won't leave ugly. Damn. Karma. 1422 01:22:41,130 --> 01:22:45,540 Adam Curry: Will leave. Sorry about that. I hope that helps. 1423 01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:49,320 John C. Dvorak: Anyway, Chris, is ours are one and only 1424 01:22:49,350 --> 01:22:53,280 Associate Executive Producer for show 1153? 1425 01:22:53,310 --> 01:22:56,850 Adam Curry: Yes, well, thank you to these three producers, you 1426 01:22:56,850 --> 01:22:59,850 receive the credits, which are just as valuable on any show day 1427 01:22:59,850 --> 01:23:02,340 if you're an executive producer. In this case, your executive 1428 01:23:02,340 --> 01:23:07,080 producer of no agenda show you 1153 And of course, we have our 1429 01:23:07,530 --> 01:23:10,020 Executive Associate Executive Producer, Chris Black, you can 1430 01:23:10,020 --> 01:23:12,570 post these credits anywhere people like to put them on their 1431 01:23:12,750 --> 01:23:16,500 social media profiles. LinkedIn appears to work. And if anyone 1432 01:23:16,770 --> 01:23:19,500 ever questioned you about the validity of this, we will vouch 1433 01:23:19,500 --> 01:23:22,410 for you. All you have to do is drop us a line. And please 1434 01:23:22,410 --> 01:23:26,280 remember we'll be on Thursday for another riveting edition of 1435 01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:27,810 the show. And you can support us at 1436 01:23:27,870 --> 01:23:31,440 Unknown: boruch.org/n A Well 1437 01:23:31,440 --> 01:23:33,330 Adam Curry: now that you have all the information on Jamaican 1438 01:23:33,330 --> 01:23:35,790 slave Stay tuned for more and propagate 1439 01:23:35,850 --> 01:23:40,260 Unknown: our formula is this. We go out for yet people in the 1440 01:23:40,260 --> 01:23:55,380 mouth. Boy that works. 1441 01:23:57,480 --> 01:24:00,660 Adam Curry: Still better Fletcher does it? For sure. 1442 01:24:01,379 --> 01:24:03,869 John C. Dvorak: Yeah. Oh, he's got the pipes. 1443 01:24:03,990 --> 01:24:05,610 Adam Curry: So that was interesting. You said you you 1444 01:24:05,610 --> 01:24:08,580 wouldn't want to you don't want to discuss it? Or do you feel 1445 01:24:08,580 --> 01:24:11,250 uncomfortable discussing black and slavery? 1446 01:24:11,459 --> 01:24:15,419 John C. Dvorak: Uncomfortable discussing anything? I just 1447 01:24:15,449 --> 01:24:19,739 think it's something of a can of worms. That is not really what 1448 01:24:19,769 --> 01:24:22,679 the show is about. And you know, there's racially 1449 01:24:23,790 --> 01:24:27,660 Adam Curry: I'm sorry, the 2020 elections and an important 1450 01:24:27,660 --> 01:24:29,430 demographic is not what the show is about. 1451 01:24:29,730 --> 01:24:32,160 John C. Dvorak: No, that's what I meant. And I think you know 1452 01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:41,160 it. I don't think that trying to unravel the racial mess and it's 1453 01:24:41,190 --> 01:24:45,300 monikers and who calls what wad and reparations and all these 1454 01:24:45,300 --> 01:24:48,780 other things. And yes, it is part of the show, and so far as 1455 01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:51,180 candidates are going to be bringing this stuff up and we 1456 01:24:51,180 --> 01:24:54,930 have to talk about it. But I think a lot of it is, you know, 1457 01:24:54,930 --> 01:24:59,220 somewhat something I'm not interested in, in talking about 1458 01:24:59,220 --> 01:25:01,410 I'm interested in it I'm not interested and you're doing a 1459 01:25:01,410 --> 01:25:02,640 fine job by yourself. 1460 01:25:02,670 --> 01:25:05,730 Adam Curry: Okay, good. Then let me do a little segment because 1461 01:25:05,730 --> 01:25:10,500 Kamala Harris is arguably one of the two front runners at the 1462 01:25:10,500 --> 01:25:16,980 moment. And it seems, in many ways, from a racial standpoint, 1463 01:25:17,190 --> 01:25:23,190 that we are at a 2007 type situation where Barack Obama is 1464 01:25:23,190 --> 01:25:26,880 being called an African American. And he clearly was not 1465 01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,340 African American. He's blocky Brown, whatever you want to call 1466 01:25:29,340 --> 01:25:33,210 him, not African American. And let's just go back to the 1467 01:25:33,210 --> 01:25:37,140 conversation that Don Lemon had with April Ryan, just to refresh 1468 01:25:37,140 --> 01:25:40,170 your memory. So two old white guys aren't saying it but Don 1469 01:25:40,170 --> 01:25:42,990 Lemon is saying it about Kamala Harris a 1470 01:25:42,990 --> 01:25:45,750 Unknown: lot to unpack here. Number one, what is black enough 1471 01:25:45,750 --> 01:25:48,780 mean? Can someone give me a definition of what Black is 1472 01:25:48,810 --> 01:25:51,930 enough is I don't want to go down the road of the stereotype. 1473 01:25:52,020 --> 01:25:54,450 When people say we're black. Number one, she is a black 1474 01:25:54,450 --> 01:25:57,690 woman. She's a mixed race woman. When you see her you see her 1475 01:25:57,690 --> 01:26:01,230 blackness, but she is also South Asian. Her mom is South Asian, 1476 01:26:01,350 --> 01:26:03,450 and her dad is Jamaican, April, April, April. 1477 01:26:03,450 --> 01:26:08,010 Let me listen more power to her. And I think that's great. That 1478 01:26:08,010 --> 01:26:12,060 is that should be enough. It is enough that she's a black woman. 1479 01:26:12,060 --> 01:26:17,130 We are not a monolith. Did they did they say oh, no, no, no, I 1480 01:26:17,130 --> 01:26:19,800 think like you're not you're not allowing what people are saying. 1481 01:26:20,010 --> 01:26:22,080 The people who are saying she black enough. That's bull, 1482 01:26:22,110 --> 01:26:26,760 that's BS. But to to to want a distinction to say, is she 1483 01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:32,430 African American? Or is she black or she? Whatever that was, 1484 01:26:32,460 --> 01:26:35,070 there is nothing wrong with it. There is a difference between 1485 01:26:35,070 --> 01:26:39,930 being African American and being black. People let people Latino 1486 01:26:39,930 --> 01:26:43,140 people are people of color. But they're not black. They're brown 1487 01:26:43,140 --> 01:26:46,650 people. She is taller, but she is a black woman. Okay, that's 1488 01:26:46,650 --> 01:26:49,980 why I agree with that. I agree with that. But is she African 1489 01:26:49,980 --> 01:26:53,820 American? But is she African American? There's a difference. 1490 01:26:53,820 --> 01:26:56,010 There's nothing wrong with that. No one is trying to take 1491 01:26:56,010 --> 01:26:56,490 anything 1492 01:26:56,490 --> 01:26:58,080 away from her to her lineage. 1493 01:26:58,170 --> 01:27:00,330 I think you're falling. I think you're falling into the trap of 1494 01:27:00,570 --> 01:27:04,200 all she had to do was say I am black. I'm not African American. 1495 01:27:04,530 --> 01:27:05,100 That's it. 1496 01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:10,890 I'm not falling. Let me let me let me finish Hold on. I'm not 1497 01:27:10,890 --> 01:27:14,310 falling into a trap by that. When when when she goes down her 1498 01:27:14,310 --> 01:27:18,690 lineage many Africans landed on in Jamaica and all these other 1499 01:27:18,690 --> 01:27:21,510 Caribbean islands. So she could indeed because not America can 1500 01:27:21,510 --> 01:27:24,870 mix with others. But she's not American. But she is a black 1501 01:27:24,870 --> 01:27:30,000 woman. She was Ted Cruz, Ted Cruz. 1502 01:27:30,930 --> 01:27:32,820 Ted Cruz, this is not about Ted Cruz. 1503 01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:37,680 We cannot. It was hypocrisy. I'm not changing the subject. Yes. 1504 01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:40,920 Cruz. Okay. I 1505 01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:44,130 Adam Curry: think we get the idea here. You hear two black 1506 01:27:44,130 --> 01:27:47,070 people arguing about what is black, which is the conversation 1507 01:27:47,070 --> 01:27:51,060 you and i You're right. We're not qualified to have that. But 1508 01:27:51,060 --> 01:27:55,320 I think as a lineage and as race and nationalities is very clear. 1509 01:27:55,320 --> 01:28:00,360 What's what the problem is that the there's a, I think a large 1510 01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:04,260 contingent of what who is called themselves a DOS, American 1511 01:28:04,260 --> 01:28:09,300 descendants of slavery, who are tired of seeing Democratic 1512 01:28:09,390 --> 01:28:13,020 candidates saying, I'm black, I'm going to do something for 1513 01:28:13,020 --> 01:28:18,330 the black people, meaning people who descended from Jim Crow type 1514 01:28:18,630 --> 01:28:22,470 laws and situations, you know, in my lifetime, this, I was 1515 01:28:22,470 --> 01:28:27,480 barely born. But it was just about ended one year after I was 1516 01:28:27,480 --> 01:28:31,680 born. And you know, here we are, things are much better. But if 1517 01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:34,290 you're going to ask people to vote for you, and you're 1518 01:28:34,290 --> 01:28:37,170 promising things for their community, you got to be kind of 1519 01:28:37,170 --> 01:28:40,080 clear what you're talking about. And that's where the anger stems 1520 01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:45,300 from. As blacks, African Americans feel they got ripped 1521 01:28:45,300 --> 01:28:48,630 off by Obama and did not do any better, even though he was 1522 01:28:48,630 --> 01:28:51,780 supposed to be the first black American president most will 1523 01:28:51,780 --> 01:28:54,600 still say African American president, although technically 1524 01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:59,610 not true. So when Kamala Harris came on the scene, the ADOS 1525 01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:03,540 movement came into action and said, That's fine, but let's not 1526 01:29:03,540 --> 01:29:06,450 pretend that she's African American. And that immediately 1527 01:29:06,450 --> 01:29:10,590 became marred when was marginalized down to these 1528 01:29:10,590 --> 01:29:12,120 people are Russian bots. 1529 01:29:12,690 --> 01:29:16,800 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, yes. Now here's all you have to know the 1530 01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:21,540 one thing that's certain you bring it up a Kamla Harris to 1531 01:29:21,540 --> 01:29:23,670 people that don't listen to the show. Somebody says your name is 1532 01:29:23,670 --> 01:29:26,670 kind of what why would they support her? What were the black 1533 01:29:26,670 --> 01:29:33,300 support her she's a cop? Well, there's that a cop she's a she's 1534 01:29:33,300 --> 01:29:36,780 a mean spirited district attorney that didn't do nothing 1535 01:29:36,780 --> 01:29:41,520 for any black people that ever went, you know, they were she 1536 01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:46,740 was confronted with but she's a cop. And so that's enough. She's 1537 01:29:46,770 --> 01:29:49,920 just not to be supported. Well, then that's other stuff. I think 1538 01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:51,240 just derived from that. 1539 01:29:51,780 --> 01:29:54,660 Adam Curry: Well, it's getting pretty heated Roland Martin on 1540 01:29:54,690 --> 01:30:00,690 things this is maybe CNN or MSNBC. He explains People who 1541 01:30:00,690 --> 01:30:04,770 have this opinion that Kamla Harris is doing the same thing 1542 01:30:05,460 --> 01:30:11,820 Barack Obama did is pandering to a DOS and saying no way I'm 1543 01:30:11,820 --> 01:30:16,290 gonna take care of you but really was not sincere. He is He 1544 01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:17,910 He is dividing this 1545 01:30:17,940 --> 01:30:20,340 Unknown: um Don Jr spokesman told The New York Times quote 1546 01:30:20,340 --> 01:30:24,360 that don't sweet was simply asking him if it was true that 1547 01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:27,030 Kamala Harris was half Indian because it's not something he'd 1548 01:30:27,030 --> 01:30:29,850 ever heard before. And then once he saw folks were misconstruing 1549 01:30:29,850 --> 01:30:33,600 the intent. He quickly deleted it. What do you make of this? 1550 01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:38,550 Donald Trump Jr is Fredo and he clearly can't read a bio. All he 1551 01:30:38,550 --> 01:30:41,610 has to do is go read the bio Senator Kamala Harris, that you 1552 01:30:41,610 --> 01:30:44,910 understand her background and so he's probably the dumbest of all 1553 01:30:44,910 --> 01:30:48,060 the Trump children. But but here's the real issue here. The 1554 01:30:48,060 --> 01:30:50,820 attacks on Senator Kamala Harris's blackness really 1555 01:30:50,820 --> 01:30:53,940 started the moment she announced, and where it's really 1556 01:30:53,940 --> 01:30:58,260 coming from. This is Black self hate. cloaked in black self 1557 01:30:58,260 --> 01:31:01,710 love. There are people out there who are saying that because she 1558 01:31:01,710 --> 01:31:06,030 is not a descendant of slaves, she really can't speak to the 1559 01:31:06,030 --> 01:31:09,570 black experience. They dismiss the fact that she went to HBCU. 1560 01:31:09,660 --> 01:31:12,930 They dismiss her actual background. And that's what the 1561 01:31:12,930 --> 01:31:15,690 real issue here there are black people out there who are angry 1562 01:31:15,690 --> 01:31:18,330 that they say, who say Obama didn't do enough for African 1563 01:31:18,330 --> 01:31:22,380 Americans. And what they're not doing is demanding really policy 1564 01:31:22,380 --> 01:31:24,930 questions. They're questioning her blackness, you may have some 1565 01:31:24,930 --> 01:31:28,170 fools out there who are black, especially a lot of black men 1566 01:31:28,260 --> 01:31:32,730 who are criticizing her because her husband is white. And so I 1567 01:31:32,730 --> 01:31:36,000 understand that folks are talking about Donald Trump Jr, 1568 01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:40,230 retweeting this, but really, you got us an asinine black folks 1569 01:31:40,230 --> 01:31:44,100 out there, who are the ones who are questioning her blackness, 1570 01:31:44,190 --> 01:31:47,340 and they are shameful, and they are despicable. And they should 1571 01:31:47,340 --> 01:31:49,050 be called out at every turn. 1572 01:31:51,930 --> 01:31:54,690 Adam Curry: That's pretty loaded. What the, what the guy 1573 01:31:54,690 --> 01:31:55,500 is doing there. 1574 01:31:56,430 --> 01:31:57,930 John C. Dvorak: He's a Democrat. 1575 01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:01,560 Adam Curry: When this is what this is what it's all about it 1576 01:32:01,740 --> 01:32:06,690 the there is it a contingent, they call themselves ados. And 1577 01:32:06,690 --> 01:32:09,570 they're saying we're not going to vote for any democratic 1578 01:32:10,290 --> 01:32:13,440 candidate anymore, even though they traditionally do in the 1579 01:32:13,440 --> 01:32:20,250 85 95% range. Yeah, until we see a true Black Agenda for black 1580 01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:24,090 Americans, African Americans. So this is now this honor is still 1581 01:32:24,090 --> 01:32:27,030 been bestowed upon Kamala Harris and she showed up over the 1582 01:32:27,030 --> 01:32:32,040 weekend. At the essence, power stage for essence, Essence 1583 01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:36,390 magazine, I presume they real black American African American 1584 01:32:36,390 --> 01:32:40,560 magazine traditionally, she was introduced by none other than 1585 01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:45,150 the rev rev Al Sharpton. And she comes out to Tupac 1586 01:32:45,180 --> 01:32:48,510 Unknown: let us welcome Senator Kamala Harris. 1587 01:32:51,810 --> 01:32:53,880 Adam Curry: Now count the time she says good morning. 1588 01:33:17,130 --> 01:33:24,300 Unknown: Morning Good Morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good 1589 01:33:24,300 --> 01:33:33,360 morning. Good morning. Good morning. My beautiful sister. 1590 01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:39,720 John C. Dvorak: G mining now sounds like she's totally 1591 01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:40,860 stoned. 1592 01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:43,860 Adam Curry: I gotta tell you though, she has something so 1593 01:33:43,860 --> 01:33:47,760 endearing about her the way I can't explain it. She there's 1594 01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:52,740 somehow it's a smile. It's a storytelling. But then she runs 1595 01:33:52,770 --> 01:33:56,640 goes straight into this story about her background because she 1596 01:33:56,640 --> 01:33:59,970 realizes that a lot of controversy. There's we've got 1597 01:33:59,970 --> 01:34:03,720 to talk about my background. Now. What we know what we've 1598 01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:06,630 researched before any of this really came up on the show. 1599 01:34:07,440 --> 01:34:10,410 Like, okay, her mom's from India, her dad's from Jamaica. 1600 01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:14,670 She was born here. She grew up in Canada, most of her life 1601 01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:19,230 under the age of 12. Yeah. And but she did get bossed around. 1602 01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:22,830 And I think she's younger than I am. Isn't she? What is she is 1603 01:34:22,890 --> 01:34:24,450 she's 52 1604 01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:33,660 John C. Dvorak: She was born in a pub above the age 1964. 1605 01:34:33,900 --> 01:34:35,340 Adam Curry: Okay, so she's my age. 1606 01:34:36,030 --> 01:34:38,580 John C. Dvorak: So you're born in 64? Yes. 1607 01:34:39,300 --> 01:34:42,360 Adam Curry: So I'm not I'm not so sure if what she says here is 1608 01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:45,450 really is really truthful. So 1609 01:34:45,780 --> 01:34:49,230 Unknown: about my background. I am a daughter of the civil 1610 01:34:49,230 --> 01:34:53,610 rights movement. What I grew up in a family and in a community 1611 01:34:53,700 --> 01:34:54,510 of adults 1612 01:34:54,570 --> 01:34:57,240 Adam Curry: that just if someone says I am a daughter of the 1613 01:34:57,240 --> 01:34:59,970 civil rights movement, and you do not have a family here 1614 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:05,310 History of Jim Crow. Okay, I think that people will find that 1615 01:35:05,310 --> 01:35:07,860 insulting. But maybe he said 1616 01:35:07,860 --> 01:35:10,320 John C. Dvorak: something even weirder, we'll play that again. 1617 01:35:10,350 --> 01:35:10,590 Yeah. 1618 01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:15,930 Unknown: So, about my background, I am a daughter of 1619 01:35:15,930 --> 01:35:19,860 the Civil Rights Movement. I grew up in a family and in a 1620 01:35:19,860 --> 01:35:24,660 community of adults, who spent full time marching and shouting 1621 01:35:25,350 --> 01:35:27,750 about this thing called justice. So she 1622 01:35:27,750 --> 01:35:30,090 Adam Curry: kind of makes it sound like this a sound right? 1623 01:35:30,090 --> 01:35:34,260 Why would No, no. So it's, and she's doing this in mind you at 1624 01:35:34,260 --> 01:35:37,590 the essence, power stage 25. 1625 01:35:38,370 --> 01:35:42,450 Unknown: My sister Maya and I, we were raised by a mother, who 1626 01:35:42,450 --> 01:35:46,320 was all five feet tall. But if you ever met her, you would have 1627 01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:51,840 thought she was seven feet tall. She taught us. Don't let anyone 1628 01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:55,740 tell you who you are. You tell them who you are. Well, she's 1629 01:35:55,740 --> 01:35:57,900 Adam Curry: following mom's advice. That's for sure. She's a 1630 01:35:57,900 --> 01:36:01,110 daughter of the civil rights movement. Can you really compare 1631 01:36:01,110 --> 01:36:05,970 that to to do a daughter of someone who was actually in 1632 01:36:05,970 --> 01:36:10,440 America during Jim Crow and the civil rights movement? I think 1633 01:36:10,440 --> 01:36:15,300 that's horseshit on her case. So now she goes into something that 1634 01:36:15,300 --> 01:36:19,290 I heard the other day at the Whole Foods checkout. Someone 1635 01:36:19,290 --> 01:36:19,890 asked me 1636 01:36:19,890 --> 01:36:24,660 John C. Dvorak: what's your mom? Her mom is Indian? Yes. And her 1637 01:36:24,660 --> 01:36:28,230 mom is the one that ended up with her when she was 12. And I, 1638 01:36:28,260 --> 01:36:31,260 how many Indians were that involved in the Civil Rights 1639 01:36:31,260 --> 01:36:31,830 Movement? 1640 01:36:31,860 --> 01:36:33,720 Adam Curry: Oh, she said that they were screaming and yelling 1641 01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:37,140 and protesting. It's a lie, John, this is why people are 1642 01:36:37,140 --> 01:36:41,160 angry. This is why people on on CNN have to tell other people of 1643 01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:47,100 the same color Shut up. It's like, I'm just reporting. So now 1644 01:36:47,100 --> 01:36:50,820 she does something, which is a phrase that I keep hearing over 1645 01:36:50,820 --> 01:36:54,300 and over again, people are so deranged about Trump. They can't 1646 01:36:54,330 --> 01:36:58,980 even say Trump. They can't even say that. Listen, this is what 1647 01:36:58,980 --> 01:36:59,070 it 1648 01:36:59,070 --> 01:37:02,910 Unknown: is. And look, we all know there is a lot that is 1649 01:37:02,910 --> 01:37:07,020 wrong with the current occupant of the White House. I hear 1650 01:37:07,020 --> 01:37:11,220 Adam Curry: this everywhere. At the whole food checkout? Well, 1651 01:37:11,460 --> 01:37:14,490 the current occupant at the White House, I mean, the guy 1652 01:37:14,490 --> 01:37:18,660 called the president. They can't say Have you not noticed this? 1653 01:37:18,690 --> 01:37:20,070 This, uh, your your lip Joes. 1654 01:37:20,550 --> 01:37:23,010 John C. Dvorak: Now that you mentioned, I haven't noticed it. 1655 01:37:23,340 --> 01:37:26,910 But now that you mentioned it, I think it does crop up a lot. 1656 01:37:26,940 --> 01:37:30,180 Adam Curry: And in the term is the current occupant of the 1657 01:37:30,180 --> 01:37:31,080 White House. 1658 01:37:31,559 --> 01:37:35,159 John C. Dvorak: And demeaning, it's demeaning. It's, it's, it's 1659 01:37:35,159 --> 01:37:35,819 demeaning. 1660 01:37:35,850 --> 01:37:36,990 Adam Curry: It's like this, like, you know, it's like a 1661 01:37:36,990 --> 01:37:39,810 squatter. It's like some dude just walked in. And 1662 01:37:41,130 --> 01:37:43,080 John C. Dvorak: it's an insult to the people who voted for 1663 01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:43,440 Trump. 1664 01:37:43,890 --> 01:37:48,300 Adam Curry: As an aside, didn't Melania look dynamite on July 4. 1665 01:37:48,900 --> 01:37:52,500 John C. Dvorak: I told you this already in the show. I have not 1666 01:37:52,500 --> 01:37:57,000 seen one frame of anything having to do with that event. So 1667 01:37:57,000 --> 01:37:58,260 I don't know. Maybe. 1668 01:37:59,370 --> 01:38:02,910 Unknown: We all know there is a lot that is wrong with the 1669 01:38:02,910 --> 01:38:07,860 current occupant of the White House. He says he wants to make 1670 01:38:07,860 --> 01:38:14,400 America great again. Well, what exactly does again mean, back 1671 01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:17,970 before the Civil Rights Act back before the Voting Rights Act 1672 01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:21,450 back before Roe v. Wade, was doing that voice for the Fair 1673 01:38:21,450 --> 01:38:29,040 Housing Act well and says we're not going back. We're not going 1674 01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:29,490 back. 1675 01:38:31,170 --> 01:38:32,310 So it's 1676 01:38:32,310 --> 01:38:34,500 John C. Dvorak: not our natural voice to start talking like like 1677 01:38:34,500 --> 01:38:38,220 that kind of southern displaced black. 1678 01:38:38,370 --> 01:38:40,980 Adam Curry: No, but it was also a cat. She's California. 1679 01:38:40,980 --> 01:38:43,200 John C. Dvorak: She's a California if she's black. She's 1680 01:38:43,650 --> 01:38:47,040 She can't get any further than being a California Black. And 1681 01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:50,880 they have a very distinctive way of speaking. And they don't talk 1682 01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:53,250 a lot and you know, they don't talk to you. They don't have an 1683 01:38:53,250 --> 01:38:56,550 accent that she's portraying to the way Hillary does. I can't 1684 01:38:56,550 --> 01:38:57,120 even do it. 1685 01:38:58,140 --> 01:39:00,720 Adam Curry: Yeah, it's she's a lot of that Hillary stuff in her 1686 01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:04,350 for sure. The student of Hillary, but just so you know, 1687 01:39:04,770 --> 01:39:07,920 America was never great because it was all racist, bunch of a 1688 01:39:07,950 --> 01:39:12,840 holes racist, misogynist, just horrible, horrible people. Thank 1689 01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:20,340 you, Kamala. And now she gets into the census, kind of, 1690 01:39:20,790 --> 01:39:24,780 because there's a second census that is being run that you and I 1691 01:39:24,780 --> 01:39:27,270 for obvious reasons were not aware of. And I'd 1692 01:39:27,270 --> 01:39:31,260 Unknown: ask that we take a look at and I urge everyone to read 1693 01:39:31,560 --> 01:39:36,030 the black census project that has been headed by Alicia Garza 1694 01:39:36,420 --> 01:39:41,460 and look at that as our guide. So it's the largest survey of 1695 01:39:41,460 --> 01:39:45,270 black people in America since Reconstruction. And it demands 1696 01:39:45,300 --> 01:39:50,820 action, recognizing the many facets of black life that must 1697 01:39:50,820 --> 01:39:56,220 be addressed. And in my opinion, it is a guide to right what is 1698 01:39:56,220 --> 01:40:01,470 wrong in America. So you know how some times people will say 1699 01:40:01,470 --> 01:40:04,290 and they say it certainly to me often because I was of course, 1700 01:40:04,290 --> 01:40:06,930 the first black woman to be elected da of San Francisco was 1701 01:40:06,930 --> 01:40:09,960 the first black person to be elected Attorney General of 1702 01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:12,900 California, only the second black woman to be elected to the 1703 01:40:12,900 --> 01:40:13,980 United States Senate. 1704 01:40:14,010 --> 01:40:16,590 Adam Curry: I'm sorry. That's the third because Elizabeth 1705 01:40:16,590 --> 01:40:17,820 Warren was also Senator 1706 01:40:18,900 --> 01:40:21,720 Unknown: in the history of our country. Okay, so 1707 01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:25,170 Adam Curry: when you hear this, what do you believe this black 1708 01:40:25,170 --> 01:40:27,630 census is? And what do you think? What do you think it's 1709 01:40:27,630 --> 01:40:28,170 about? 1710 01:40:29,130 --> 01:40:31,740 John C. Dvorak: I have no idea. I never heard of it. I mean, the 1711 01:40:31,740 --> 01:40:35,250 way she's just said that it sounds like it's, Oh, it sounds 1712 01:40:35,250 --> 01:40:38,940 like it's some way of counting up the blacks and getting their 1713 01:40:38,940 --> 01:40:42,000 grievances and fixing the problem. Yes, exactly. 1714 01:40:42,270 --> 01:40:45,720 Adam Curry: Unfortunately, she told us who was running it, but 1715 01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:50,100 Alicia Garza The name may not ring any bells with you? 1716 01:40:50,129 --> 01:40:53,159 John C. Dvorak: Does it just sounds familiar. Black Lives 1717 01:40:53,159 --> 01:40:54,929 Matter. Okay. Well, 1718 01:40:54,929 --> 01:40:58,079 Adam Curry: you started Black Lives Matter with the she's a 1719 01:40:58,079 --> 01:40:59,039 Soros sister. 1720 01:40:59,220 --> 01:41:01,020 John C. Dvorak: Yes, sir. Oh, sister. Exactly. 1721 01:41:01,080 --> 01:41:03,240 Adam Curry: She got the money from Soros. She started Black 1722 01:41:03,240 --> 01:41:06,840 Lives Matters. And I have two quick clips of her about this 1723 01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:08,760 black census. Any questions 1724 01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:12,390 Unknown: about sexuality have been removed from the census? 1725 01:41:12,390 --> 01:41:12,600 She's 1726 01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:15,780 Adam Curry: talking? I'm sorry. So she's giving a rationale here 1727 01:41:15,780 --> 01:41:21,690 about the black census, because we're missing all these things 1728 01:41:21,720 --> 01:41:24,450 in the Donald Trump 2020 census. 1729 01:41:24,450 --> 01:41:27,870 John C. Dvorak: Good. So wait a minute. So what you're telling 1730 01:41:27,870 --> 01:41:34,140 me is that this white are the census, the census census which 1731 01:41:34,140 --> 01:41:38,160 counts everybody, which according to Trump is going to 1732 01:41:38,490 --> 01:41:43,890 dig into everything we possibly could No, doesn't have enough 1733 01:41:43,890 --> 01:41:46,500 questions, digging into everything. 1734 01:41:46,830 --> 01:41:51,960 Adam Curry: And it Yes. And she is running the black census 1735 01:41:51,960 --> 01:41:57,480 project black census project. But is it only about the black 1736 01:41:57,480 --> 01:42:00,930 people that Kamala Harris was talking about? Or that the 1737 01:42:00,930 --> 01:42:04,380 impression she gave you and I like, okay, it's about black 1738 01:42:04,380 --> 01:42:07,140 people in America, their grievances getting screwed, and 1739 01:42:07,140 --> 01:42:09,870 how she's going to fix all this, which kind of sounds like black, 1740 01:42:09,960 --> 01:42:15,000 like a black agenda or not, maybe not reparations, money 1741 01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:18,600 wise, but some doing something for her community, even though 1742 01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:22,170 it's really her community. And so here's Alicia Garza, her 1743 01:42:22,170 --> 01:42:25,440 sister, as she just said, and she's first gonna bitch about 1744 01:42:25,440 --> 01:42:29,250 the crystal census giving a rationale for her senses. But 1745 01:42:29,250 --> 01:42:31,770 there's some interesting gotchas in here. Any questions 1746 01:42:31,770 --> 01:42:35,490 Unknown: about sexuality have been removed from the census. 1747 01:42:35,700 --> 01:42:39,120 And there are already ways in which some of the questions on 1748 01:42:39,120 --> 01:42:43,290 the 2020 census are actually designed to discourage the 1749 01:42:43,290 --> 01:42:46,710 communities who need the census the most from participating? 1750 01:42:46,770 --> 01:42:49,890 Wow, we've heard rumors and rumors have been confirmed 1751 01:42:49,890 --> 01:42:55,020 actually about questions about immigration status, and concerns 1752 01:42:55,020 --> 01:42:58,050 about whether or not this administration will take those 1753 01:42:58,050 --> 01:43:01,980 responses and turn them over to Homeland Security. Right. And so 1754 01:43:01,980 --> 01:43:06,420 what you can be sure of with our census project, is that one, 1755 01:43:06,420 --> 01:43:09,810 we're not collecting any personal information. And so, 1756 01:43:10,290 --> 01:43:13,170 and we're doing that because we think it's important to protect 1757 01:43:13,170 --> 01:43:17,850 people's privacy. But it's also extremely important that people 1758 01:43:17,850 --> 01:43:22,050 understand that what the 2020 Census does, is it asks you 1759 01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:24,870 about how many people are in your house, right as to where 1760 01:43:24,870 --> 01:43:28,830 you live. For the purposes of apportioning resources. Our 1761 01:43:28,830 --> 01:43:32,730 census is asking you about your experiences, it's asking you to 1762 01:43:32,730 --> 01:43:36,360 sound off on what you want to see for your future. Right. And 1763 01:43:36,390 --> 01:43:39,180 the way that you can hold us accountable to that is by being 1764 01:43:39,180 --> 01:43:40,800 engaged with our project. 1765 01:43:41,010 --> 01:43:43,740 Adam Curry: Okay, so it sounds kind of good, although I don't 1766 01:43:43,740 --> 01:43:46,920 know about the sexuality part. But all right, sounds like you 1767 01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:52,080 want to do something for black Americans with a census. And the 1768 01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:54,690 I don't know, hopefully, that information that data will be 1769 01:43:54,690 --> 01:43:58,800 helpful. Is it really only for American descendants of slavery 1770 01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:00,000 or just blacks, 1771 01:44:00,030 --> 01:44:02,670 Unknown: we've taken a lot of steps to make sure that people 1772 01:44:02,670 --> 01:44:06,630 don't get left behind. And we're ready to take additional steps 1773 01:44:06,630 --> 01:44:10,620 in any places that we've missed. So for example, we've talked 1774 01:44:10,620 --> 01:44:13,620 about really wanting to make sure that black people who are 1775 01:44:13,620 --> 01:44:15,990 immigrants get to participate in the survey. 1776 01:44:17,610 --> 01:44:19,500 Okay, here we go process. 1777 01:44:19,769 --> 01:44:23,369 And that's why we've translated the survey into eight languages 1778 01:44:23,399 --> 01:44:27,329 that are commonly spoken by a number of black communities that 1779 01:44:27,329 --> 01:44:31,229 live here in the United States, so that nobody is left behind. 1780 01:44:31,409 --> 01:44:35,669 Wow, we hear that, you know, folks who are incarcerated often 1781 01:44:35,669 --> 01:44:38,849 get left out of these kinds of projects, which is why we're 1782 01:44:38,849 --> 01:44:42,389 partnering with organizations that work with people who are 1783 01:44:42,389 --> 01:44:46,019 incarcerated in jails in prisons, to make sure that we 1784 01:44:46,019 --> 01:44:50,429 get the census inside the walls, so that we can really hear from 1785 01:44:50,429 --> 01:44:53,879 people who are being directly impacted by the criminal system, 1786 01:44:54,089 --> 01:44:56,759 what it is that you dream of for your future. 1787 01:44:56,880 --> 01:45:01,230 Adam Curry: So as it turns out, the black sense This is for 1788 01:45:01,350 --> 01:45:08,760 immigrants, for LGBTQ it is for it is not for just black 1789 01:45:08,790 --> 01:45:12,330 Americans in the traditional sense of the word or the way it 1790 01:45:12,330 --> 01:45:14,910 is implied by Kamala Harris. I don't expect a lot of white 1791 01:45:14,910 --> 01:45:18,090 people to catch this. But I think a lot of black people are 1792 01:45:18,090 --> 01:45:24,570 also getting snookered by this. And here's the kicker. This this 1793 01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:30,240 black census is. So it's she does this from her organization, 1794 01:45:30,270 --> 01:45:33,720 the black futures lab. And here's a little trick for people 1795 01:45:33,720 --> 01:45:36,570 who want to find out who's behind something, always click 1796 01:45:36,570 --> 01:45:39,330 on the donate button, you always want to click on the donate 1797 01:45:39,330 --> 01:45:43,380 button to find out where your money is going. Black futures 1798 01:45:43,380 --> 01:45:49,230 lab is fiscally sponsored by the Chinese progressive Association. 1799 01:45:51,750 --> 01:45:57,240 And the which is a 501 C three tax exempt organization. I 1800 01:45:57,240 --> 01:46:01,140 looked them up on on GuideStar they got about 3 million bucks. 1801 01:46:01,350 --> 01:46:04,860 There's no information on what they're really about. So this is 1802 01:46:04,860 --> 01:46:10,830 some front and why why this is being supplied. The black census 1803 01:46:10,860 --> 01:46:14,910 is being sponsored by the Chinese progressive Association 1804 01:46:14,940 --> 01:46:16,320 is a mystery. 1805 01:46:18,930 --> 01:46:20,910 John C. Dvorak: Well, that's not a I don't know that that 1806 01:46:20,910 --> 01:46:23,070 operation is a Soros front. 1807 01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:25,080 Adam Curry: I think it might be. 1808 01:46:26,340 --> 01:46:28,950 John C. Dvorak: Well, that Soros now, I'll tell you why. I don't 1809 01:46:28,950 --> 01:46:34,140 think so. Soros has so many good fronts. That why would he 1810 01:46:34,140 --> 01:46:37,500 confuse matters by putting a Chinese anything in front of 1811 01:46:37,500 --> 01:46:43,500 this operation? Doesn't make sense? Well, we can look at 1812 01:46:43,800 --> 01:46:45,720 through one of his other operation we can look at that 1813 01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:47,070 sounds a little more liberal. 1814 01:46:47,099 --> 01:46:50,069 Adam Curry: well founded in 1972. The Chinese progressive 1815 01:46:50,069 --> 01:46:54,209 Association educates, organizes and empowers the low income and 1816 01:46:54,209 --> 01:46:58,889 working class immigrant Chinese community, ie blacks in San 1817 01:46:58,889 --> 01:47:02,279 Francisco to build collects. Yes, John? Yes. That's just what 1818 01:47:02,279 --> 01:47:05,249 that's what's going on here. Chinese immigrants are now 1819 01:47:05,249 --> 01:47:11,069 black. And don't you forget it? And I'm a little of all the 1820 01:47:11,069 --> 01:47:15,059 things that worries me. It's the Chinese coming in. I have 1821 01:47:15,059 --> 01:47:17,969 nothing against Chinese I do. Chinese people seem to be ruder 1822 01:47:17,969 --> 01:47:20,489 than most but they just different culture. So I get it. 1823 01:47:21,029 --> 01:47:23,699 But do we really want the Chinese taken over everything? 1824 01:47:25,980 --> 01:47:30,480 John C. Dvorak: Well, I find this to just be peculiar. Yeah. 1825 01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:35,100 It's good. Of course this in the interview that you have this 1826 01:47:35,100 --> 01:47:40,230 woman asked that about that. Did she find out what to do? Yeah, 1827 01:47:40,230 --> 01:47:40,590 no. 1828 01:47:42,090 --> 01:47:45,300 Adam Curry: I'll tell you what she said. She said, Wow. Wow. 1829 01:47:45,330 --> 01:47:49,920 Wow. She said, Wow, this just wow. Let me see. If I click on 1830 01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:52,800 the donate of the Chinese progressive Association, see if 1831 01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:58,200 we get any information here? No, no, it's all the same. But it's 1832 01:47:58,200 --> 01:48:03,480 just why is why are they sponsoring this? Very, very odd. 1833 01:48:04,110 --> 01:48:09,810 Anyway. So I guess we just take it at face value. Kamala Harris 1834 01:48:09,810 --> 01:48:12,870 is black. She's all for blacks and Chinese are black. That's 1835 01:48:12,870 --> 01:48:14,640 the new black Chinese is the New Black. 1836 01:48:15,450 --> 01:48:17,070 John C. Dvorak: I'm sure the Chinese will appreciate that. 1837 01:48:17,100 --> 01:48:17,430 Yeah. 1838 01:48:17,910 --> 01:48:20,520 Adam Curry: I got nothing against Chinese. Except when I'm 1839 01:48:20,520 --> 01:48:22,110 on vacation. They seem to be rude. 1840 01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:25,020 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, you've made that point. And they are if 1841 01:48:25,020 --> 01:48:28,800 you go to China, they're rude. They're too well, they, they can 1842 01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:32,340 but they're not rude to you. They're actually less rude to 1843 01:48:32,340 --> 01:48:34,110 you than they are to fellow Chinese. 1844 01:48:34,590 --> 01:48:36,510 Adam Curry: Well, I've not been to China, so I can't speak on 1845 01:48:36,510 --> 01:48:39,780 that. Well, that's just bumped into a lot. But it's just a 1846 01:48:39,780 --> 01:48:42,660 different culture. They they come from a real communist 1847 01:48:42,660 --> 01:48:45,750 background, and they think every space is for everybody. And I'm 1848 01:48:45,750 --> 01:48:47,490 gonna stand in that space where you're standing 1849 01:48:49,110 --> 01:48:52,170 John C. Dvorak: must be shared. Exactly. Well, this is 1850 01:48:52,380 --> 01:48:56,310 distressing, that you can keep up on it if you want to. I mean, 1851 01:48:56,310 --> 01:49:00,090 it seems to me to be like Kamala Harris is not going to be the 1852 01:49:00,090 --> 01:49:02,310 nominee. I just tell you that right now. 1853 01:49:03,630 --> 01:49:07,350 Adam Curry: Okay, what is your crystal ball say cosmic weenie? 1854 01:49:08,130 --> 01:49:08,490 Yeah, 1855 01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:09,720 John C. Dvorak: probably Joe Biden. 1856 01:49:10,200 --> 01:49:14,130 Adam Curry: Do you really think so? Do believe in Joe Biden. He 1857 01:49:14,130 --> 01:49:16,110 John C. Dvorak: finally gets a clue and jumps in like I've been 1858 01:49:16,110 --> 01:49:24,480 saying. i It's a total mess. And I still say Kamala will be the 1859 01:49:24,480 --> 01:49:25,230 vice president. 1860 01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:28,350 Adam Curry: Joe Biden's vice presidential pick. 1861 01:49:29,490 --> 01:49:32,070 John C. Dvorak: thing that was mentioned in that NBC clip that 1862 01:49:32,070 --> 01:49:34,590 we had earlier word Biden where they're talking about everything 1863 01:49:34,590 --> 01:49:40,440 but but the topic but the Biden's Biden says I was kind of 1864 01:49:40,440 --> 01:49:44,970 surprised how where this criticism of me came from Camela 1865 01:49:45,690 --> 01:49:49,470 because she's like a friend of mine. She knows Bo and and then 1866 01:49:49,470 --> 01:49:52,710 he said he wanders off and goes he shakes his head and goes, I 1867 01:49:52,710 --> 01:49:57,150 better get by goodbye. He just says something stupid. And it's 1868 01:49:57,300 --> 01:50:03,540 he was really I think To outraged by a personal attack at 1869 01:50:03,540 --> 01:50:08,850 that level on this national stage by a suppose it friend. 1870 01:50:10,470 --> 01:50:13,500 Because it's not the way you operate his opera you don't do 1871 01:50:13,500 --> 01:50:15,990 that you would have you had this complaint, why don't you bring 1872 01:50:15,990 --> 01:50:19,020 it up? Sometimes, you know personally, I mean, this was 1873 01:50:19,230 --> 01:50:23,670 considered a faux PA, and she's gonna suffer for it, I can 1874 01:50:23,670 --> 01:50:27,930 assure you and probably suffer for it in the next debate. But 1875 01:50:27,930 --> 01:50:34,110 she's not she has zero chance of becoming a nominee. Oh man, 1876 01:50:34,110 --> 01:50:36,300 you're first and I'm not I'm not bad at this. 1877 01:50:37,830 --> 01:50:40,080 Adam Curry: Well, I have a good track record. 1878 01:50:42,240 --> 01:50:44,490 John C. Dvorak: You have a good track record of picking Pope's 1879 01:50:44,550 --> 01:50:49,830 Adam Curry: and the President. Well, it wasn't. Oh, don't make 1880 01:50:49,830 --> 01:50:50,160 me play 1881 01:50:50,160 --> 01:50:51,840 John C. Dvorak: the clip again, just same as picking the 1882 01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:53,580 candidates. Okay, 1883 01:50:53,610 --> 01:50:56,370 Adam Curry: I think Kamala is so far right now for me, Kamala 1884 01:50:56,370 --> 01:50:59,670 Harris is the front runner Joe Biden is a washed up loser at 1885 01:50:59,670 --> 01:51:02,970 this point. And he's coming unhinged, and people are seeing 1886 01:51:02,970 --> 01:51:04,890 it. I don't see that support for him. 1887 01:51:05,519 --> 01:51:08,159 John C. Dvorak: That's why somebody needs to come to the 1888 01:51:08,159 --> 01:51:12,149 rescue. Somebody needs to come to the rescue 1889 01:51:20,550 --> 01:51:26,010 Adam Curry: someone pointed out a movie. To me that is on 1890 01:51:26,010 --> 01:51:30,450 Netflix that actually came out 10 months before the Muller 1891 01:51:30,450 --> 01:51:34,500 report. And as I was watching the trailer for this is called 1892 01:51:34,500 --> 01:51:37,470 active measures. I don't think we heard about this. I don't 1893 01:51:37,470 --> 01:51:40,350 think we talked about it and went straight to Netflix is as 1894 01:51:40,350 --> 01:51:43,650 far as I know. I'm gonna go look at it next when you will I play 1895 01:51:43,650 --> 01:51:47,280 the trailer. When you listen to this trailer and you've got to 1896 01:51:47,280 --> 01:51:49,890 clear your mind. You've got to put yourself into Rob Reiner 1897 01:51:49,890 --> 01:51:54,030 shoes. I know they're kind of stinky, but just just lay back 1898 01:51:54,030 --> 01:51:57,270 because I'm pretty good at doing this. Lay back and like okay, 1899 01:51:57,870 --> 01:52:01,680 let me just for a moment think that Trump is not the president. 1900 01:52:01,680 --> 01:52:06,060 He's the current occupant of the White House. And, and all of 1901 01:52:06,060 --> 01:52:09,630 these guys were all in cahoots. There was all this collusion the 1902 01:52:09,630 --> 01:52:13,140 Muller report proved it. I saw my favorite Hollywood actors 1903 01:52:13,200 --> 01:52:17,040 telling me to read the report. I read the report and it confirmed 1904 01:52:17,070 --> 01:52:19,860 everything I was afraid of. And then you see this trailer, 1905 01:52:20,460 --> 01:52:23,670 Unknown: President Trump, just now President Putin denied 1906 01:52:23,670 --> 01:52:26,400 having anything to do with the election interference in 2016. 1907 01:52:26,730 --> 01:52:30,450 Every US intelligence agency has concluded that Russia did. My 1908 01:52:30,450 --> 01:52:32,700 first question for you, sir, is who do you believe? 1909 01:52:34,770 --> 01:52:38,790 Putin has worked to undermine democracies across the globe. He 1910 01:52:38,790 --> 01:52:42,900 made his way up through the KGB, he learned how to maneuver 1911 01:52:42,900 --> 01:52:43,770 politically. 1912 01:52:44,850 --> 01:52:48,720 The Russian mafia is an adjunct of the Russian government. And 1913 01:52:48,720 --> 01:52:51,060 they help maintain Mr. Putin's power to the 1914 01:52:51,060 --> 01:52:54,570 point where Putin may well be the wealthiest man on the face 1915 01:52:54,570 --> 01:52:58,980 of the planet. How does Russia launder money into America? 1916 01:53:01,230 --> 01:53:01,800 Everything I 1917 01:53:01,800 --> 01:53:03,420 know that's interesting. I can't tell you. 1918 01:53:05,940 --> 01:53:09,630 Russians have a particular type of mark finger on for somebody 1919 01:53:09,630 --> 01:53:13,050 who has business resources, shady morals and political 1920 01:53:13,050 --> 01:53:16,860 connections or aspirations. I've just described Donald Trump. 1921 01:53:19,230 --> 01:53:23,790 Approval real realizes that if we're divided as a nation, we 1922 01:53:23,790 --> 01:53:27,660 cannot protect ourselves from threats within and without. 1923 01:53:28,559 --> 01:53:32,189 And what you have is probably the biggest intelligence breach 1924 01:53:32,219 --> 01:53:33,119 in the history of the world. 1925 01:53:34,020 --> 01:53:36,600 The crown jewel for any intelligence agency is to 1926 01:53:36,600 --> 01:53:40,680 recruit an asset inside your adversaries intelligence agency, 1927 01:53:40,740 --> 01:53:43,530 they seem to have premonitions of things that were going to 1928 01:53:43,530 --> 01:53:44,880 happen that in fact that happened. 1929 01:53:45,059 --> 01:53:48,689 The question is who helped guide the decisions that the Russians 1930 01:53:48,689 --> 01:53:49,409 were making? 1931 01:53:50,940 --> 01:53:54,420 Prom power was money laundering paradise. 1932 01:53:54,450 --> 01:53:57,930 Anybody who was anybody in Russian organized crime, bought 1933 01:53:57,930 --> 01:53:58,830 a condo unit, the 1934 01:53:58,830 --> 01:53:59,490 Trump Tower, 1935 01:53:59,519 --> 01:54:03,419 we have the serious intelligence operation in the home of the man 1936 01:54:03,419 --> 01:54:07,919 who becomes president, the United States. I think this is 1937 01:54:07,919 --> 01:54:08,909 the tip of the iceberg. 1938 01:54:09,389 --> 01:54:12,989 John C. Dvorak: What's at stake is truth and the cause of 1939 01:54:12,989 --> 01:54:16,289 liberty at the motion found possible. 1940 01:54:20,100 --> 01:54:22,770 Adam Curry: active measures now on Netflix, 1941 01:54:23,610 --> 01:54:27,480 John C. Dvorak: I want to play the clip of this is Noam Chomsky 1942 01:54:28,500 --> 01:54:33,750 discussing, and he backs us up with a lot of logic because he's 1943 01:54:33,750 --> 01:54:36,510 a logician if nothing else, and he is, you know, a darling of 1944 01:54:36,510 --> 01:54:40,140 the left, when he says is important to the progressives. 1945 01:54:40,440 --> 01:54:42,840 And they don't like hearing this from him 1946 01:54:42,900 --> 01:54:46,770 Unknown: as far as Trump collusion with the Russians. 1947 01:54:47,310 --> 01:54:50,910 That was never going to amount to anything more than minor 1948 01:54:50,910 --> 01:54:55,860 corruption. maybe building a Trump hotel and Red Square or 1949 01:54:55,860 --> 01:55:00,570 something like that, but nothing of any significance. Democrats 1950 01:55:00,570 --> 01:55:05,460 invested everything in this issue. Well turned out there was 1951 01:55:05,460 --> 01:55:09,270 nothing much there, they gave Trump a huge gift. Fact they may 1952 01:55:09,270 --> 01:55:13,560 have handed him the next election. That's just, that's a 1953 01:55:13,560 --> 01:55:18,870 matter of being. So if you're unwilling to deal with 1954 01:55:18,930 --> 01:55:22,920 fundamental issues, that they're looking for something on the 1955 01:55:22,920 --> 01:55:26,430 side that will somehow give political success. 1956 01:55:28,140 --> 01:55:29,640 Adam Curry: Where did he say this? 1957 01:55:29,940 --> 01:55:34,080 John C. Dvorak: He said it out in New York at a big con fab. 1958 01:55:34,410 --> 01:55:39,060 Wow. Did they boo him his speeches? Did they boo him? No, 1959 01:55:39,060 --> 01:55:44,790 they he prefaced this by discussing the idea of the 1960 01:55:44,790 --> 01:55:48,780 Russian interference in our elections. He says the real. And 1961 01:55:48,780 --> 01:55:51,630 this is from his perspective, again, he says the real problem 1962 01:55:51,630 --> 01:55:54,660 is how can the Russians even come close to competing with 1963 01:55:54,660 --> 01:55:59,940 special interests, and the huge amount of campaign funding that 1964 01:55:59,940 --> 01:56:03,270 goes on in the billions and billions of dollars, the 1965 01:56:03,270 --> 01:56:06,420 Russians don't have those sorts of resources, they can't do much 1966 01:56:06,600 --> 01:56:10,080 more than you know nothing, which is what he claims. He says 1967 01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:13,710 the real problem is with, you know, these other things would 1968 01:56:13,710 --> 01:56:17,400 campaign finance reform would solve, of course, then the logic 1969 01:56:17,400 --> 01:56:21,300 of all this says to me, that campaign finance reform would 1970 01:56:21,300 --> 01:56:25,050 allow the Russians to actually be competitive. But that, of 1971 01:56:25,050 --> 01:56:29,070 course, is another moment of logic that a loser what do you 1972 01:56:29,070 --> 01:56:32,070 Adam Curry: what do you mean, the camp campaign finance reform 1973 01:56:32,070 --> 01:56:35,070 would allow the Russians to be competitive because they 1974 01:56:35,070 --> 01:56:37,590 John C. Dvorak: was right now the Russians in terms of 1975 01:56:37,650 --> 01:56:41,040 screwing with our elections, as opposed to hunger anyplace else, 1976 01:56:41,160 --> 01:56:46,230 is that our elections are so fraught with months of money 1977 01:56:46,320 --> 01:56:49,620 coming from special interests and packs, and everybody in 1978 01:56:49,620 --> 01:56:52,950 between? That there's no way they can do anything, because we 1979 01:56:52,950 --> 01:56:56,130 already have the things sewn up. And research shows that the more 1980 01:56:56,130 --> 01:56:58,650 money you get, the better chance you have of winning and all the 1981 01:56:58,650 --> 01:57:00,900 rest of it, the Russians aren't throwing money at it, what 1982 01:57:00,900 --> 01:57:05,430 $100,000 to Facebook, that's going to do what nothing. And so 1983 01:57:05,430 --> 01:57:08,790 the point is, is that campaign finance reform, which would draw 1984 01:57:08,790 --> 01:57:11,850 this money out of the system, would allow the rushes to 1985 01:57:11,850 --> 01:57:14,430 actually be competitive and allow the rushes to actually 1986 01:57:14,520 --> 01:57:19,050 write up the elections, right, ironically. But of course, we 1987 01:57:19,050 --> 01:57:23,100 already know that campaign finance reform will never go 1988 01:57:23,130 --> 01:57:27,150 anywhere, because all that money is picked up by the media. 1989 01:57:27,150 --> 01:57:30,000 They're the ones that are the beneficiaries. And the media 1990 01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:32,310 would never allow it to happen, because it's really part of 1991 01:57:32,310 --> 01:57:33,300 their bottom line. 1992 01:57:33,330 --> 01:57:37,050 Adam Curry: $10 billion in the 2020 election is projected to be 1993 01:57:37,050 --> 01:57:41,370 spent on advertising. And there you have most of that online. 1994 01:57:43,350 --> 01:57:44,910 John C. Dvorak: Well, that's the weird part. 1995 01:57:45,480 --> 01:57:49,500 Adam Curry: Well, I when I say most I say 60%. So that's the 1996 01:57:49,500 --> 01:57:52,860 majority is the majority, the majority of it, yeah, it's a 1997 01:57:52,860 --> 01:57:56,010 lot. Now you can believe that everyone's on just licking their 1998 01:57:56,010 --> 01:57:59,250 chops waiting, waiting for the waiting for the dollars to come 1999 01:57:59,250 --> 01:57:59,970 flowing in. 2000 01:58:03,270 --> 01:58:04,500 John C. Dvorak: All right, anything else? 2001 01:58:06,060 --> 01:58:06,990 Adam Curry: After you, sir? 2002 01:58:07,500 --> 01:58:09,300 John C. Dvorak: Well, I got a couple of things that a little 2003 01:58:09,300 --> 01:58:14,850 more than kind of normalized. I do have a, I got a couple ISOs. 2004 01:58:14,850 --> 01:58:17,490 I'm gonna go over this go over this. This one I picked up from 2005 01:58:17,490 --> 01:58:23,880 a clip I never made. And this is a clip of an Iraq by the 2006 01:58:23,880 --> 01:58:28,560 Iranians is from the CBC. I just like this, this, this guy saying 2007 01:58:28,560 --> 01:58:29,070 this, 2008 01:58:29,130 --> 01:58:30,180 Unknown: nothing different. 2009 01:58:31,290 --> 01:58:33,120 Adam Curry: Nothing sounded like Kissinger. 2010 01:58:33,900 --> 01:58:36,660 John C. Dvorak: Nothing different than when I also have 2011 01:58:36,660 --> 01:58:40,500 one from an Ebola report, which I wanted wouldn't. That's always 2012 01:58:40,500 --> 01:58:43,290 good. CBC is covering Ebola. We're not 2013 01:58:43,350 --> 01:58:46,290 Unknown: so it's scary to think about what happens if we run out 2014 01:58:46,290 --> 01:58:51,570 of it. If we wrote, if we want to vent about what happens if we 2015 01:58:51,570 --> 01:58:52,080 run out of 2016 01:58:52,080 --> 01:58:54,450 Adam Curry: it run out of what the Don't tell me. They've got 2017 01:58:54,450 --> 01:58:57,300 some kind of vaccine that's working all of a sudden 2018 01:58:57,720 --> 01:58:59,460 John C. Dvorak: play Ebola one CBC 2019 01:58:59,490 --> 01:59:01,410 Adam Curry: well, we can't just do that. We've got to we've got 2020 01:59:01,410 --> 01:59:02,100 to do it properly. 2021 01:59:13,110 --> 01:59:16,110 Unknown: The second largest Ebola outbreak in history is 2022 01:59:16,110 --> 01:59:18,990 spreading in Congo. And it's a double tragedy since it's 2023 01:59:18,990 --> 01:59:22,770 happening in an active war zone that makes containment and 2024 01:59:22,770 --> 01:59:26,160 treatment a huge challenge. But tonight, CBC News has learned 2025 01:59:26,370 --> 01:59:30,600 that help is coming soon. A much needed vaccine co created in 2026 01:59:30,600 --> 01:59:33,780 Canada is getting a boost in production. Katie Nicholson 2027 01:59:33,810 --> 01:59:34,380 explains. 2028 01:59:35,070 --> 01:59:39,240 In this vial a precious commodity, the Ebola vaccine, 2029 01:59:39,540 --> 01:59:43,020 partially developed in Canada, and for those in the outbreak 2030 01:59:43,020 --> 01:59:48,690 zone, every last drop counts. This region of Congo has buried 2031 01:59:48,690 --> 01:59:53,040 more than 1600 people since last year, containing the outbreak 2032 01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:57,930 has used up much of the world's 300,000 dose stockpile of the 2033 01:59:57,930 --> 01:59:58,530 vaccine 2034 01:59:58,860 --> 02:00:03,510 after 10 months in this saw a break $300,000 is not enough 2035 02:00:03,510 --> 02:00:03,930 anymore. 2036 02:00:04,019 --> 02:00:06,959 Gary Cole banker helped develop this vaccine and has been 2037 02:00:06,959 --> 02:00:12,719 watching from afar. It's 97.5% effective against the deadly 2038 02:00:12,719 --> 02:00:15,929 virus, but he fears there just isn't enough to quell the 2039 02:00:15,929 --> 02:00:16,679 outbreak, 2040 02:00:16,770 --> 02:00:20,160 you will need to reach at least a million if not to millions. 2041 02:00:20,400 --> 02:00:24,360 Because if you start offering this vaccine to the population, 2042 02:00:24,780 --> 02:00:27,480 you need to make sure that you have enough to cover 100% of 2043 02:00:27,480 --> 02:00:29,730 people if 100% of the people ask for it. 2044 02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:33,900 But right now 100% Of the people aren't getting the shot. That's 2045 02:00:33,900 --> 02:00:37,230 because it's being delivered primarily through a method known 2046 02:00:37,230 --> 02:00:41,100 as ring vaccination. Ring vaccination works like this, 2047 02:00:41,160 --> 02:00:44,130 everyone in direct contact with the infected patient is 2048 02:00:44,130 --> 02:00:47,850 immunized family, friends, caregivers, or others who have 2049 02:00:47,850 --> 02:00:51,450 been in close proximity to the person, then everyone who has 2050 02:00:51,450 --> 02:00:54,630 had direct contact with those people is immunized. 2051 02:00:54,990 --> 02:00:58,890 And so with every new case, you have another rain, you have more 2052 02:00:58,890 --> 02:01:02,490 people to vaccinate. And so it's clear that we need to have more 2053 02:01:02,490 --> 02:01:07,740 vaccine. And those 300,000 doses are being used very quickly. 2054 02:01:07,950 --> 02:01:10,800 Trish Newport is with Doctors Without Borders, she's seen the 2055 02:01:10,800 --> 02:01:13,770 impact the vaccine has had firsthand. 2056 02:01:13,860 --> 02:01:18,120 It's such a great, huge tool, and I can't imagine the outbreak 2057 02:01:18,150 --> 02:01:19,230 if we didn't have it. 2058 02:01:19,860 --> 02:01:23,580 Adam Curry: Wow, this sounds like a repeat of 2014. I'm 2059 02:01:23,580 --> 02:01:26,880 hearing a lot of the same things, ring vaccinations, 2060 02:01:26,940 --> 02:01:29,340 John C. Dvorak: but I want you to re listen to what she does 2061 02:01:29,340 --> 02:01:33,300 just something funny about what she said the end did vaccine is 2062 02:01:33,300 --> 02:01:36,210 a tool and we wouldn't have Ebola without it. 2063 02:01:37,260 --> 02:01:39,960 Unknown: And so it's clear that we need to have more vaccine. 2064 02:01:40,950 --> 02:01:44,520 And those 300,000 doses are being used very quickly. 2065 02:01:44,730 --> 02:01:47,610 Trish Newport is with Doctors Without Borders. She's seen the 2066 02:01:47,610 --> 02:01:50,580 impact the vaccine has had firsthand. 2067 02:01:50,640 --> 02:01:54,930 It's such a great, huge tool, and I can't imagine the outbreak 2068 02:01:54,960 --> 02:01:58,500 if we didn't have it. I can't imagine 2069 02:01:58,500 --> 02:02:02,730 John C. Dvorak: the outbreak if we didn't have it. I'm sorry. I 2070 02:02:02,730 --> 02:02:05,670 just thought that was very funny sounds as though the vaccine is 2071 02:02:05,670 --> 02:02:06,990 creating the outbreak. 2072 02:02:07,919 --> 02:02:11,249 Adam Curry: Wow. Okay, that's one interview. Well, you know, 2073 02:02:11,519 --> 02:02:15,149 here's a clip from 2014. Unless you want to play your second 2074 02:02:15,149 --> 02:02:15,839 clip first. 2075 02:02:15,929 --> 02:02:17,939 John C. Dvorak: Well, yeah, let's play the second clip and 2076 02:02:17,939 --> 02:02:20,279 get this out of the way. Now this woman who has got the most 2077 02:02:20,279 --> 02:02:27,659 annoying voice up talker looks like a dingbat. But don't you 2078 02:02:27,659 --> 02:02:33,299 want to get rid of this because this outbreak is because of the 2079 02:02:33,329 --> 02:02:35,639 I think is because of maybe Canada has something to do with 2080 02:02:35,639 --> 02:02:39,689 this vaccine or we don't, I'm not sure. But this whole thing 2081 02:02:39,689 --> 02:02:43,529 is not nothing like 2014 insofar as the panic created in the 2082 02:02:43,529 --> 02:02:47,099 United States, you didn't even know that you said yourself 2083 02:02:47,099 --> 02:02:50,579 about the vaccine or anything else. Because we're not covering 2084 02:02:50,609 --> 02:02:55,409 because for some political or financial or who knows what 2085 02:02:55,409 --> 02:02:58,079 reason, it's not important anymore. We don't have people 2086 02:02:58,079 --> 02:03:01,829 coming back and being tracked by the police. Oh, my God, put them 2087 02:03:01,829 --> 02:03:04,319 in isolation, put them in isolation. Oh, there's a 2088 02:03:04,319 --> 02:03:08,819 breakout of Ebola in Dallas. I just find the whole thing to be 2089 02:03:08,819 --> 02:03:11,579 very strange. And again, when I'm watching this report, I was 2090 02:03:11,579 --> 02:03:13,919 just completely befuddled by it, but you can play the second 2091 02:03:13,919 --> 02:03:14,159 half. 2092 02:03:14,190 --> 02:03:16,860 Unknown: And I can't imagine the outbreak if we didn't have it. 2093 02:03:17,490 --> 02:03:20,520 So it's scary to think about what happens if we run out of 2094 02:03:20,520 --> 02:03:21,270 it. And that's 2095 02:03:21,270 --> 02:03:24,630 possible. Roughly half has been used in the last year 2096 02:03:24,690 --> 02:03:28,590 problematic because every batch of the vaccine takes a year to 2097 02:03:28,590 --> 02:03:32,490 make. late this afternoon Merck, the pharmaceutical company that 2098 02:03:32,490 --> 02:03:36,750 makes the vaccine confirmed to CBC News. It is nearly tripling 2099 02:03:36,750 --> 02:03:43,170 its Ebola vaccine stockpile. 850,000 doses within 18 months, 2100 02:03:43,620 --> 02:03:46,680 not the one to 2 million doses Coburn girl would like to see. 2101 02:03:47,100 --> 02:03:50,010 But for those on the ground, welcome ammunition just the 2102 02:03:50,010 --> 02:03:50,460 same. 2103 02:03:51,300 --> 02:03:54,840 Adam Curry: So a couple things. The reason why we're not 2104 02:03:54,840 --> 02:04:00,210 covering it is in 2014. To force for some reason we were sending 2105 02:04:00,450 --> 02:04:04,290 the military over there. And that has not happened now. And 2106 02:04:04,290 --> 02:04:08,040 so for whatever reason it is it's not important to send 2107 02:04:08,040 --> 02:04:11,100 military so it's not important to cover. I don't think it was 2108 02:04:11,100 --> 02:04:14,130 important to cover back then. But we it was there was nothing 2109 02:04:14,130 --> 02:04:18,120 else going on in 2014. We needed a new cycle. It was great to 2110 02:04:18,120 --> 02:04:21,600 watch. Remember the the first Ebola victim flown to Dallas and 2111 02:04:21,600 --> 02:04:23,790 then he hopped out of the back of the ambulance like okay, I'll 2112 02:04:23,790 --> 02:04:26,580 just walk inside. I was expecting hazmat suits, and it 2113 02:04:26,580 --> 02:04:30,870 was very benign. But we played a number of different clips. And I 2114 02:04:30,870 --> 02:04:34,110 think the one that is interesting in this case is who 2115 02:04:34,140 --> 02:04:39,060 owns this vaccine, which comes right back to the reason why it 2116 02:04:39,060 --> 02:04:41,670 is being covered in Canada. 2117 02:04:41,700 --> 02:04:43,890 Unknown: We've been asking the Public Health Agency of Canada 2118 02:04:43,890 --> 02:04:46,650 for months what it got from the two companies that had sold the 2119 02:04:46,650 --> 02:04:50,430 commercial licensing rights to the experimental vaccine and the 2120 02:04:50,430 --> 02:04:53,610 experimental drug Z map. We wanted to know if candidate 2121 02:04:53,610 --> 02:04:56,370 still has any voice in the development and dissemination of 2122 02:04:56,370 --> 02:04:59,970 the treatments. We got back emails saying the contract is 2123 02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:03,570 confidential, the candidate still owns the patent and the 2124 02:05:03,570 --> 02:05:04,860 intellectual property. 2125 02:05:05,130 --> 02:05:07,410 Adam Curry: So I think if you own it, you cover it. 2126 02:05:07,500 --> 02:05:09,930 Unknown: That's now being questioned by scientists around 2127 02:05:09,930 --> 02:05:13,080 the world who are waiting to do clinical trials on the vaccine 2128 02:05:13,260 --> 02:05:15,630 is Berlin based journalist wrote the article, 2129 02:05:16,080 --> 02:05:18,600 the scientists I talked to are unhappy, they feel it could have 2130 02:05:18,600 --> 02:05:21,480 gone faster, who was in control of this process. 2131 02:05:21,690 --> 02:05:24,330 Everyone figured this outbreak would be long over before a 2132 02:05:24,330 --> 02:05:27,300 vaccine could be developed. But with the number of Ebola cases 2133 02:05:27,300 --> 02:05:30,930 doubling every three weeks, and scientists around the world 2134 02:05:30,930 --> 02:05:34,650 saying it's out of control, the need for a vaccine is growing. 2135 02:05:34,800 --> 02:05:38,880 Meanwhile, up to 1000 doses are in cold storage here at the 2136 02:05:38,880 --> 02:05:41,130 National microbiology lab in Winnipeg, 2137 02:05:41,610 --> 02:05:44,850 I do wonder whether it isn't possible to somehow cut through 2138 02:05:44,850 --> 02:05:48,420 all that red tape and try to help get the vaccine on the road 2139 02:05:48,420 --> 02:05:50,130 really, as fast as possible. 2140 02:05:50,370 --> 02:05:54,210 They report that African trials of this Canadian vaccine have in 2141 02:05:54,210 --> 02:05:58,290 fact been delayed, not because of logistical problems, but over 2142 02:05:58,470 --> 02:06:01,260 an intellectual property dispute. There you go. The 2143 02:06:01,260 --> 02:06:05,160 company that owns the commercial license for the drug is said to 2144 02:06:05,160 --> 02:06:08,790 be dragging its feet with 1000s of lives at risk. Can the 2145 02:06:08,790 --> 02:06:11,370 Minister of Health explain what Canada is doing? 2146 02:06:11,520 --> 02:06:14,910 The only answer Otto was given so far is that all of this is in 2147 02:06:14,910 --> 02:06:16,950 the hands of the World Health Organization. 2148 02:06:17,010 --> 02:06:20,220 Adam Curry: So we missed something. Somewhere, there's a 2149 02:06:20,220 --> 02:06:24,810 piece missing as to something got solved with the intellectual 2150 02:06:24,810 --> 02:06:27,750 property, the ownership structure, then all of a sudden 2151 02:06:27,750 --> 02:06:30,180 that needs to be rolled out because now it's been paid for. 2152 02:06:32,550 --> 02:06:35,340 John C. Dvorak: Well, a couple of things come to mind with this 2153 02:06:35,370 --> 02:06:38,910 story that's not being played at all in the United States, even 2154 02:06:38,910 --> 02:06:41,220 though the way they did it before is it was always about 2155 02:06:41,220 --> 02:06:44,490 the bowl as a very dangerous thing to get it could double 2156 02:06:44,490 --> 02:06:48,270 every month, every week, every day. The all this stuff is just 2157 02:06:48,540 --> 02:06:51,750 not even covered at all, which is stunning to me, the way the 2158 02:06:51,750 --> 02:06:55,410 media Acts about this. He's obviously been pushed around by 2159 02:06:55,620 --> 02:06:57,960 public relations, people that tell him what to do, and they 2160 02:06:57,990 --> 02:07:01,860 haven't been told to do this story is because of this 2161 02:07:01,860 --> 02:07:04,560 vaccine. Here's one question they don't answer. And I have 2162 02:07:04,560 --> 02:07:09,000 not seen an answer. What is the vaccine cost per dose? is gotta 2163 02:07:09,000 --> 02:07:11,430 be expensive, because as they mentioned in the other report, 2164 02:07:11,460 --> 02:07:18,450 it takes one year to make those. So there's a couple things with 2165 02:07:18,450 --> 02:07:21,330 that as another question, why does it take so long to make a 2166 02:07:21,330 --> 02:07:27,840 dose? A, B? What does it cost per dose? And last? Who's paying 2167 02:07:27,840 --> 02:07:30,540 for these veg for these vaccinations? Because you know 2168 02:07:30,540 --> 02:07:33,720 that the people in the affected area? 2169 02:07:34,140 --> 02:07:36,360 Adam Curry: Right? Don't have any money. Now it's government 2170 02:07:36,360 --> 02:07:40,920 money from somewhere. Yeah, but how much I owe? It's it's, as 2171 02:07:40,920 --> 02:07:43,020 far as I'm concerned, Canada, the fools. 2172 02:07:43,410 --> 02:07:45,810 John C. Dvorak: If you how do you say that? Maybe they're 2173 02:07:45,810 --> 02:07:50,490 getting tons of cash is marked as producing the product gets a 2174 02:07:50,490 --> 02:07:51,540 licensing fee. 2175 02:07:52,620 --> 02:07:54,990 Adam Curry: But is Morris Canada? Is Merck, the owner? Are 2176 02:07:54,990 --> 02:07:57,300 they the intellectual property is that people making the 2177 02:07:57,300 --> 02:08:00,480 vaccine but do they? That's not the same question. Do they own 2178 02:08:00,480 --> 02:08:01,530 it, too? They licensed 2179 02:08:01,530 --> 02:08:04,890 John C. Dvorak: it? Obviously their licensees are that guy 2180 02:08:04,890 --> 02:08:09,870 that one guy and somebody else was never mentioned? There's 2181 02:08:09,870 --> 02:08:13,110 just seems to be a lot of money involved here. Well, that has to 2182 02:08:13,110 --> 02:08:13,380 be 2183 02:08:13,440 --> 02:08:15,540 Adam Curry: the odd thing is they tested this all in West 2184 02:08:15,540 --> 02:08:16,140 Africa. 2185 02:08:18,390 --> 02:08:21,210 John C. Dvorak: Not in the very dark. You said from 2014 to 2186 02:08:21,210 --> 02:08:26,190 today? Yeah. Five years later. There's missing information. 2187 02:08:26,220 --> 02:08:27,600 Yes, man. 2188 02:08:31,620 --> 02:08:35,700 Adam Curry: It took me a second. That's right, man. There's new 2189 02:08:35,700 --> 02:08:38,910 information, new shit has come to light. Well, I'm glad you 2190 02:08:38,910 --> 02:08:42,540 caught that. I'm gonna delve into because I do like this 2191 02:08:42,540 --> 02:08:49,140 Ebola story. And the only thing I can really think is they're 2192 02:08:49,170 --> 02:08:53,910 actually bringing Ebola back. injecting it into people. But 2193 02:08:53,910 --> 02:08:55,080 what else could it be? 2194 02:08:55,140 --> 02:08:57,870 John C. Dvorak: There may be a woman implied in that funny 2195 02:08:57,870 --> 02:08:58,440 quote. 2196 02:08:58,800 --> 02:09:02,070 Adam Curry: They're hoping for an outbreak. I don't know. Maybe 2197 02:09:02,070 --> 02:09:03,570 some of our sorry. 2198 02:09:04,140 --> 02:09:06,330 John C. Dvorak: I like again, I wonder what it cost per dose? 2199 02:09:06,540 --> 02:09:10,890 And who's paying for it? It's not that hard of a question. If 2200 02:09:10,890 --> 02:09:13,530 you're a journalist to be the first thing I'd asked 2201 02:09:13,560 --> 02:09:16,620 Adam Curry: or Cazenave you know, agenda producers. You're 2202 02:09:16,620 --> 02:09:16,980 up. 2203 02:09:17,580 --> 02:09:20,400 Unknown: I'm gonna show my school by donate to no agenda. 2204 02:09:20,460 --> 02:09:23,220 Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be 2205 02:09:23,220 --> 02:09:23,580 fun. 2206 02:09:30,870 --> 02:09:32,460 John C. Dvorak: And we do have a few people to thank for show 2207 02:09:32,460 --> 02:09:43,500 1153 Starting with Sean McCall. $133.33 He says, Oh boy captains 2208 02:09:43,500 --> 02:09:46,890 of the deconstructed sees. The show has been fantastic. lately. 2209 02:09:46,950 --> 02:09:50,370 The Kaepernick Kaepernick discussion was so good. I went 2210 02:09:50,370 --> 02:09:54,450 back and listened to it a few times. I think Adam is onto 2211 02:09:54,450 --> 02:09:59,970 something with the extortion or maybe just on something that 2212 02:10:03,090 --> 02:10:05,940 Very well done. Yes. Daniel Thomas Oh, 2213 02:10:06,120 --> 02:10:08,100 Adam Curry: no, you can't do that without saying he requests 2214 02:10:08,100 --> 02:10:11,250 baby making karma in the past and he will do so again. 2215 02:10:11,490 --> 02:10:15,300 Apparently, it works. So we'll do that for you at the end of 2216 02:10:15,300 --> 02:10:15,750 the segment 2217 02:10:15,750 --> 02:10:19,860 John C. Dvorak: for yet maybe making Daniel Tomash are in 2218 02:10:19,860 --> 02:10:26,850 $3.01 He says having submitted at least one popular song mix 2219 02:10:26,850 --> 02:10:30,540 some time ago and being the humble and a admin for no agenda 2220 02:10:30,540 --> 02:10:34,290 meetups.com I have never taken the opportunity to be d dished 2221 02:10:34,350 --> 02:10:34,710 out let's 2222 02:10:34,710 --> 02:10:39,150 Adam Curry: do that right now. D deed do thank you for that 2223 02:10:39,150 --> 02:10:42,960 tremendous resource. Daniel. It is it's very important. I have a 2224 02:10:42,960 --> 02:10:45,960 couple of reports meet up reports coming up in a moment. 2225 02:10:45,960 --> 02:10:51,660 So thank you for thank you for your donation. Oh, I'm sorry. He 2226 02:10:51,660 --> 02:10:55,410 needs some general awesome life karma for himself and his smokin 2227 02:10:55,410 --> 02:10:59,670 hot wife, Amanda who also listens to the show. So yes, 2228 02:10:59,700 --> 02:11:00,270 coming up 2229 02:11:04,530 --> 02:11:08,010 John C. Dvorak: Geoffrey Alicia in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania $101 2230 02:11:08,010 --> 02:11:13,710 and one says got a birthday coming up. Richard Hillenbrand 2231 02:11:13,710 --> 02:11:19,740 7719 Sir perf Lewis of the Octoroon or the octa run? He's 2232 02:11:19,740 --> 02:11:24,540 an Octoroon. He says Please help. A couple of fellas want to 2233 02:11:24,540 --> 02:11:27,690 hold a Virginia Beach meetup. But my immediate thought is how 2234 02:11:27,690 --> 02:11:30,810 can you have a Virginia Beach meetup without an Archduke 2235 02:11:30,840 --> 02:11:35,070 Nussbaum? Yeah, nice forwarded your message to the Archduke? 2236 02:11:35,100 --> 02:11:35,520 Yes, this 2237 02:11:35,520 --> 02:11:38,070 Adam Curry: has been taken care of. Even McConnell 2238 02:11:38,070 --> 02:11:41,220 John C. Dvorak: 74 Douglas Murray 74 These are the end of 2239 02:11:41,220 --> 02:11:45,210 the $74 donations. We're celebrating the Fourth of July. 2240 02:11:45,630 --> 02:11:50,190 Eric Bowie. Eric bird as 74 Adam Conklin in Springfield, 2241 02:11:50,190 --> 02:11:57,420 Massachusetts. 74 David Ritchie, sir Dwight, the night in 2242 02:11:57,420 --> 02:12:00,150 Burlington, Ontario, by the way, that was David Ritchie was the 2243 02:12:00,150 --> 02:12:06,810 last of the 70 fours. So we had 1234566 and no 70 ones, of 2244 02:12:06,810 --> 02:12:11,130 course have been Canadians. Sir Dwight tonight the 6789 from 2245 02:12:11,130 --> 02:12:14,970 Burlington, Ontario Baron Mark Tanner 6789. From Whittier 2246 02:12:14,970 --> 02:12:18,630 California exact same money comes in with twice a month. But 2247 02:12:18,660 --> 02:12:25,770 Black Knights remark mag Pio 5652 David Dietrich 5510 Double 2248 02:12:25,770 --> 02:12:31,920 nickels on the dime. Charles Quinn in Aurora Colorado 52 at 2249 02:12:32,100 --> 02:12:34,920 Adam Curry: the Mile High donation. Sorry, that's the Mile 2250 02:12:34,920 --> 02:12:35,850 High donation that's 2251 02:12:35,880 --> 02:12:38,190 John C. Dvorak: we've forgotten a lot. We used to use that as a 2252 02:12:38,190 --> 02:12:41,310 major donation. I forgot all about it. Yeah. And now two in a 2253 02:12:41,310 --> 02:12:44,940 row. Yeah. And then we get for some unknown reason. Well, 2254 02:12:44,940 --> 02:12:47,610 Adam Curry: wait a minute. Maybe Charles and Michael had a mile 2255 02:12:47,610 --> 02:12:49,020 high experience together. 2256 02:12:50,040 --> 02:12:51,930 John C. Dvorak: Well, one of us. Oh, I see. One of them's in 2257 02:12:51,930 --> 02:12:56,790 Colorado, so they're a mile high anyway. Okay. No, sure. Luca de 2258 02:12:56,790 --> 02:13:02,610 vie count of London and Easter in the southeast. City. 150. In 2259 02:13:02,640 --> 02:13:06,480 London, UK, Edward Mazurek. In Memphis, Tennessee is $50 2260 02:13:06,480 --> 02:13:07,110 donors. 2261 02:13:09,840 --> 02:13:11,670 Adam Curry: You're smacking your lips a lot. I just want to 2262 02:13:11,670 --> 02:13:15,570 mention that it's a lot today. Why you're smacking your lips a 2263 02:13:15,570 --> 02:13:17,610 lot. Yes, 2264 02:13:17,940 --> 02:13:21,660 John C. Dvorak: thank you. Edward Mazurek and memes. These 2265 02:13:21,660 --> 02:13:24,630 are all $50 donors name and location should call me on that 2266 02:13:24,630 --> 02:13:27,990 earlier by the way. He had the Rodriguez in Stockton, 2267 02:13:27,990 --> 02:13:31,740 California, Jonathan Meyer and Xenia, Ohio Ryan Smith in 2268 02:13:31,740 --> 02:13:35,400 Raleigh, North Carolina. These are all $50 donors. Andrew 2269 02:13:35,400 --> 02:13:38,910 Martin and Sydney New South Wales anonymous and Arnheim. 2270 02:13:38,910 --> 02:13:44,220 Netherlands Barnum, aren't him aren't him Parnham. And last but 2271 02:13:44,220 --> 02:13:49,830 not least. Oh, I'm sure he's too left. Frank Molinari and Bovard, 2272 02:13:49,860 --> 02:13:55,650 Texas insert Brett Farrell in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. And 2273 02:13:55,650 --> 02:14:01,350 that's all we got for today. Not a lot less than 30 total. And 2274 02:14:01,350 --> 02:14:04,500 which is really piss poor to say the least. But I want to thank 2275 02:14:04,500 --> 02:14:08,460 all these folks for helping us out on show 1153 Everybody else 2276 02:14:08,460 --> 02:14:10,110 is apparently on vacation. Yes. 2277 02:14:10,110 --> 02:14:12,630 Adam Curry: And thank you everybody who came in under $50. 2278 02:14:12,900 --> 02:14:15,420 Typically, you're on one of our subscription subscription 2279 02:14:15,420 --> 02:14:18,630 programs. That's a great way for us to keep the show going 2280 02:14:18,630 --> 02:14:22,200 throughout these summer months, the doldrums and I'm just going 2281 02:14:22,200 --> 02:14:26,400 to presume I forget every year, I guess, that it really goes 2282 02:14:26,400 --> 02:14:31,200 down in these months, probably through July and August. But if 2283 02:14:31,200 --> 02:14:36,000 you have some kind of sustaining subscription, it really does 2284 02:14:36,000 --> 02:14:39,870 help us because today was particularly bad. And it's 2285 02:14:39,900 --> 02:14:46,260 demotivating honestly we've, I love that people say that they 2286 02:14:46,260 --> 02:14:49,830 think the shows have been fantastic but people just not 2287 02:14:49,830 --> 02:14:53,460 showing up. So I don't know Is it the same way every year 2288 02:14:53,490 --> 02:14:54,780 because I just 2289 02:14:55,590 --> 02:14:58,110 John C. Dvorak: said July 4 usually gets a pretty good group 2290 02:14:58,110 --> 02:15:01,890 and then the day out the next The donations segment after July 2291 02:15:01,890 --> 02:15:05,730 4, as always, it's always bad, especially if it's on a holiday 2292 02:15:05,730 --> 02:15:10,020 weekend. Most people are, right. They're out doing something. 2293 02:15:10,020 --> 02:15:14,370 They're not just right, that they're not working like we do 2294 02:15:14,370 --> 02:15:15,600 on these holidays. 2295 02:15:15,870 --> 02:15:16,560 Adam Curry: Well, we have to. 2296 02:15:17,850 --> 02:15:20,700 John C. Dvorak: We have to. We don't have to I do. 2297 02:15:21,180 --> 02:15:24,870 Adam Curry: I don't know about you, but I am working for the 2298 02:15:24,870 --> 02:15:27,600 money here. Yes, we have to absolutely 2299 02:15:29,430 --> 02:15:32,160 John C. Dvorak: run reruns and probably do as well. Yeah, 2300 02:15:32,160 --> 02:15:35,280 that's the joke. But we could do as well, on a day like this, 2301 02:15:35,280 --> 02:15:38,460 looking at the donations where if we ran, you know, an 2302 02:15:38,460 --> 02:15:42,630 interview, or the best of or a or a comedy show or something, 2303 02:15:43,050 --> 02:15:48,060 you know, to be honest about it. But it should pick up a little 2304 02:15:48,060 --> 02:15:49,140 bit after it's okay. But 2305 02:15:49,139 --> 02:15:52,439 Adam Curry: you know, just just as an aside, it's a it's a 2306 02:15:52,469 --> 02:15:55,559 holiday for the United States of America, the rest of the world 2307 02:15:55,559 --> 02:15:56,819 is not on vacation. 2308 02:15:57,360 --> 02:15:59,340 John C. Dvorak: Now it's true, but 80% of our listeners are in 2309 02:15:59,340 --> 02:15:59,940 the US. 2310 02:16:00,150 --> 02:16:03,030 Adam Curry: Well, that's a problem to 80% Yeah, 2311 02:16:03,240 --> 02:16:04,020 John C. Dvorak: pretty much. 2312 02:16:04,170 --> 02:16:07,710 Adam Curry: Where's number two? That Canada is Canada and then 2313 02:16:08,250 --> 02:16:11,340 it's a toss up between Australia and the Netherlands? Probably 2314 02:16:11,340 --> 02:16:11,610 yeah, 2315 02:16:11,610 --> 02:16:13,770 John C. Dvorak: pretty much something like the Netherlands 2316 02:16:13,770 --> 02:16:15,180 is three. So we get well first 2317 02:16:15,179 --> 02:16:17,759 Adam Curry: let me do some do some Karmis because there are a 2318 02:16:17,759 --> 02:16:19,919 ton of cars that were requested 2319 02:16:19,950 --> 02:16:25,110 Unknown: jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. 2320 02:16:27,210 --> 02:16:27,990 You've got 2321 02:16:28,230 --> 02:16:30,090 Adam Curry: cars. I'll do the birthdays right here because 2322 02:16:30,090 --> 02:16:33,480 it's pretty short. Anyway. So let's roll those out everybody. 2323 02:16:38,820 --> 02:16:43,800 Yes, it is the seventh of July 2019. Two birthdays today Sir 2324 02:16:43,800 --> 02:16:47,520 John overall celebrates and Jeffrey Elisha celebrates on the 2325 02:16:47,520 --> 02:16:50,580 ninth of July. And even though it's just two of you, we are 2326 02:16:50,580 --> 02:16:53,010 very happy for you. Happy birthday from everybody here the 2327 02:16:53,010 --> 02:16:59,880 best podcast in the universe meetups report. We had the 2328 02:16:59,880 --> 02:17:04,260 Lisbon meetup, which was not didn't Well, it kind of went as 2329 02:17:04,260 --> 02:17:08,220 expected. This was Dame Sheila, the lady of Lisboa who organized 2330 02:17:08,220 --> 02:17:10,950 this in the morning Adam and John quick update on the meetup. 2331 02:17:11,310 --> 02:17:13,950 It was called a very short notice. So to be honest, I 2332 02:17:13,950 --> 02:17:17,370 wasn't actually expecting anyone to show up. But I'm leaving 2333 02:17:17,370 --> 02:17:20,190 Lisbon tomorrow for the next two months. And I want to try and 2334 02:17:20,190 --> 02:17:22,890 harness the energy of your recent visit to access the 2335 02:17:22,890 --> 02:17:27,090 network and it worked. I got there at 6pm sharp and within 10 2336 02:17:27,090 --> 02:17:32,190 minutes had the phone handed to me twice by the bar man. Both 2337 02:17:32,190 --> 02:17:36,720 Jeff and well. Joe called to let me know they would not be able 2338 02:17:36,720 --> 02:17:41,160 to come how gallant we are all now in contact and I'm going to 2339 02:17:41,160 --> 02:17:44,040 arrange another meetup when I get back in September turns out 2340 02:17:44,040 --> 02:17:46,410 draw works just around the corner from where I live. And 2341 02:17:46,410 --> 02:17:49,440 Jeff is in the same town where my father in law has a house. 2342 02:17:49,980 --> 02:17:52,620 Thanks for all you and John do even though we haven't met 2343 02:17:52,620 --> 02:17:55,410 somehow I know we're all going to get along best Dame Sheila 2344 02:17:55,410 --> 02:17:58,170 the lady of his bow who apparently did the meet up all 2345 02:17:58,170 --> 02:18:00,960 by herself and she wanted to go out karma for that and she 2346 02:18:00,960 --> 02:18:03,270 deserved it. Thank you very much lady. You've got 2347 02:18:05,370 --> 02:18:11,100 Lisboa maybe she had a nice chat with the bar guy 2348 02:18:12,660 --> 02:18:17,850 than the Netherlands which was held hope. Yes. The Netherlands 2349 02:18:17,850 --> 02:18:22,350 get mo lowlands Utrecht meetup was very successful. And I got a 2350 02:18:22,350 --> 02:18:27,060 note from Sir Hendrick in the morning Adam. John now that I 2351 02:18:27,060 --> 02:18:29,970 finally have the pictures of your flailing dance routine I 2352 02:18:29,970 --> 02:18:32,370 congratulate you on your marriage Tina sure looks like a 2353 02:18:32,370 --> 02:18:35,100 keeper from the stories you two are a good match. Best wishes to 2354 02:18:35,100 --> 02:18:37,530 both of you. Yesterday evening was the second meetup and get 2355 02:18:37,530 --> 02:18:41,700 bolo lens 16 people showed up of which three were women. It's 2356 02:18:41,700 --> 02:18:45,090 true that was said about these meetups. It truly feels like a 2357 02:18:45,090 --> 02:18:48,720 support group for people who are red pilled and the bar girl 2358 02:18:48,720 --> 02:18:53,190 asked Hey, who are you? Who are you guys? My Dutch ship our girl 2359 02:18:53,580 --> 02:18:56,280 I hit her in the mouth most of us turned out to have an IT 2360 02:18:56,280 --> 02:18:59,280 background the bar was a good pick that had enough room beer 2361 02:18:59,280 --> 02:19:02,550 and food no reservations needed. I counted these people Andre 2362 02:19:02,550 --> 02:19:06,090 painters or Pete two paints Baron of North Holland and 2363 02:19:06,090 --> 02:19:09,780 freeze land and he showed up with our heads on sticks which 2364 02:19:09,780 --> 02:19:14,340 is always a welcome the welcome meetup feature sir here Cohoon 2365 02:19:14,340 --> 02:19:17,580 Ave for instant aid from whoa just named him the other day, 2366 02:19:17,760 --> 02:19:21,510 sir D of the whole onset adding vi counselor hawks Barragan of 2367 02:19:21,510 --> 02:19:27,150 the Alps in Zaandam vi counselor hugger of kitties. ferret young 2368 02:19:27,180 --> 02:19:34,230 Doran revered Tim how Adrianne Arnout for Hey, Sabina, Luca 2369 02:19:34,380 --> 02:19:38,580 Botanik Fred from labor associate producer up someone 2370 02:19:38,580 --> 02:19:41,430 bought his daughter but I can't remember who and there was 2371 02:19:41,460 --> 02:19:44,940 someone there from well interesting whose name does not 2372 02:19:44,940 --> 02:19:47,850 want to be mentioned but she works at a very left wing 2373 02:19:47,850 --> 02:19:50,730 television organization in the Netherlands who 2374 02:19:51,090 --> 02:19:52,170 Unknown: all of them 2375 02:19:54,000 --> 02:19:55,170 John C. Dvorak: it's redundant 2376 02:19:56,550 --> 02:19:58,980 Adam Curry: so that so it was a good meet up they had a good 2377 02:19:58,980 --> 02:20:02,610 time and a received several other emails and I appreciate 2378 02:20:02,610 --> 02:20:08,040 you guys organizing that. Sir. Here co who was knighted on the 2379 02:20:08,040 --> 02:20:12,330 last show? He said actually, he needed a jobs karma. So I'm 2380 02:20:12,330 --> 02:20:12,840 gonna do that for 2381 02:20:13,890 --> 02:20:20,430 Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. Got 2382 02:20:20,609 --> 02:20:24,179 Adam Curry: karma and then I've got the list of meetups on the 2383 02:20:24,179 --> 02:20:29,249 horizon today. No, that would be no that would have been done the 2384 02:20:29,249 --> 02:20:33,629 Lisbon meetup July 9. Knoxville, Tennessee, July 11. Charleston, 2385 02:20:33,629 --> 02:20:37,679 South Carolina. The 13th Atlanta, Georgia light July 18, 2386 02:20:37,679 --> 02:20:41,459 southeast London, Colorado Springs July 19, the southwest 2387 02:20:41,459 --> 02:20:45,719 London and Chicagoland that should be a good one a good day 2388 02:20:45,719 --> 02:20:50,369 for London and Chicago July 20. On the 26th St. Louis and 2389 02:20:50,369 --> 02:20:54,539 Portland, Oregon. And like Portland, Oregon, guys, good to 2390 02:20:54,569 --> 02:20:57,929 give us some reports of what's going on. I'm there. July 27, 2391 02:20:57,959 --> 02:21:01,169 Buffalo New York and Frisco Texas and the 28th still booked 2392 02:21:01,169 --> 02:21:07,049 for Central Florida if you have not seen these, these meetups 2393 02:21:07,049 --> 02:21:10,289 and you should go check them out. No agenda meetups.com. If 2394 02:21:10,289 --> 02:21:12,689 there's not a meetup near you, you can start one it's a great 2395 02:21:12,689 --> 02:21:16,739 place to meet people to have conversations without triggering 2396 02:21:16,739 --> 02:21:23,519 anybody. No condemnation. It's a very pleasant experience. No 2397 02:21:23,519 --> 02:21:26,189 agenda, meet ups.com. And thank you all once again for your 2398 02:21:26,189 --> 02:21:29,189 support of the show today. You can always help us out. We have 2399 02:21:29,189 --> 02:21:30,959 another show on Thursday, we can use 2400 02:21:30,960 --> 02:21:34,650 Unknown: to vorak.org/n A. 2401 02:21:37,200 --> 02:21:40,950 Adam Curry: All right. I do have a couple of things left over 2402 02:21:40,950 --> 02:21:44,850 that I'd like to share because I keep pushing them off. The first 2403 02:21:44,850 --> 02:21:48,870 one is this report which has been out there for a few weeks 2404 02:21:48,870 --> 02:21:49,110 Welcome 2405 02:21:49,110 --> 02:21:51,270 Unknown: back. A former NASA intern could soon become a 2406 02:21:51,270 --> 02:21:54,810 millionaire when he sells three lost reels of original 2407 02:21:54,810 --> 02:21:58,050 videotapes showing man's first steps on the moon. Imagine that 2408 02:21:58,050 --> 02:22:00,600 this is a photo of the reels that will go up for sale through 2409 02:22:00,600 --> 02:22:04,410 Sotheby's. The auction site says the intern bought these and 1100 2410 02:22:04,410 --> 02:22:07,470 other reels at a government surplus auction for about get 2411 02:22:07,470 --> 02:22:13,140 this $200 and the 1970s. The man told Reuters quote, I had no 2412 02:22:13,140 --> 02:22:15,600 idea there was anything of value on them. I was selling them to 2413 02:22:15,600 --> 02:22:20,190 TV stations just to record over to make some money. The man says 2414 02:22:20,190 --> 02:22:22,920 his father spotted the tape on these three reels which read 2415 02:22:22,950 --> 02:22:27,000 Apollo 11. The name of the mission where Neil Armstrong 2416 02:22:27,000 --> 02:22:30,300 Buzz Aldrin first walked on the moon. And back in 2006, NASA 2417 02:22:30,300 --> 02:22:32,940 publicly admitted it lost the tapes ahead of the 40th 2418 02:22:32,940 --> 02:22:35,970 anniversary of that moonwalk. Now they're set to be sold at 2419 02:22:35,970 --> 02:22:38,280 auction at the end of the month on the 50th anniversary, they're 2420 02:22:38,280 --> 02:22:40,590 expected to go up for about $2 million. 2421 02:22:42,840 --> 02:22:43,770 You know, 2422 02:22:45,090 --> 02:22:49,230 Adam Curry: if these are indeed the tapes that NASA lost, 2423 02:22:49,470 --> 02:22:50,730 John C. Dvorak: let's assume they are. 2424 02:22:53,100 --> 02:22:56,880 Adam Curry: Is it really okay for this guy to be auctioning 2425 02:22:56,880 --> 02:22:57,570 them off? 2426 02:22:58,440 --> 02:23:03,150 John C. Dvorak: Well, definitely begs a number of question. A 2427 02:23:03,150 --> 02:23:09,120 number of questions, including why were they so cavalier to 2428 02:23:09,120 --> 02:23:12,630 this? Just toss them into the bin that goes and gets auctioned 2429 02:23:12,630 --> 02:23:16,590 off? As you know, reusable tape? That's the number one question 2430 02:23:16,590 --> 02:23:20,460 that comes to my mind. And why would you do that? What What 2431 02:23:20,460 --> 02:23:24,300 would you what was the this is the problem with this story is 2432 02:23:24,300 --> 02:23:29,310 it's just adding fuel to your fire. That this whole thing was 2433 02:23:29,310 --> 02:23:33,660 a scam and the care so little about it that they even didn't 2434 02:23:33,660 --> 02:23:36,660 even bother to toss them out or they just toss Okay, 2435 02:23:36,660 --> 02:23:39,120 Adam Curry: so these are the tapes. And I'm not going to play 2436 02:23:39,120 --> 02:23:41,760 the clips. We have multiple clips of people saying how 2437 02:23:41,760 --> 02:23:46,140 horrible it is. They lost the original NASA recordings, lose 2438 02:23:46,140 --> 02:23:48,480 them according to this story. Oh, they threw them out. 2439 02:23:48,540 --> 02:23:50,700 According to the story. They put them in the dump in the 2440 02:23:50,700 --> 02:23:54,060 dumpster. Now. I wonder if they're recycling bin if they 2441 02:23:54,060 --> 02:23:59,280 will also contain the telemetry data, which apparently also is 2442 02:23:59,700 --> 02:24:04,800 has been misplaced, lost or thrown out? And why is it that 2443 02:24:04,800 --> 02:24:10,080 every person from NASA who knows about the original recordings of 2444 02:24:10,080 --> 02:24:13,350 the moon landing being lost? Why did they all say you couldn't 2445 02:24:13,350 --> 02:24:17,640 play it today? Anyway, when these tapes are Ampex two inch 2446 02:24:17,640 --> 02:24:22,980 forehead tapes, yeah. You know, it's it's old. It's 6070s 2447 02:24:22,980 --> 02:24:26,100 technology. I can call five companies right now, who can 2448 02:24:26,100 --> 02:24:26,940 play those tapes? 2449 02:24:27,360 --> 02:24:29,640 John C. Dvorak: They have. Right? I should mention this 2450 02:24:29,670 --> 02:24:33,300 because this is part of there's a project called the Dead media 2451 02:24:33,300 --> 02:24:37,500 project. And we know that Ampeg there are still a number of 2452 02:24:37,500 --> 02:24:41,490 these machines left. It's believed because I've looked 2453 02:24:41,490 --> 02:24:46,050 into this myself. It's believed that the number of left of two 2454 02:24:46,050 --> 02:24:49,770 inch tapes that are still available, the number of tapes 2455 02:24:49,770 --> 02:24:53,280 will not outlast the life of these machines, no matter how 2456 02:24:53,280 --> 02:24:56,340 hard you try to fix them. Right now. They have these Ampex 2457 02:24:56,340 --> 02:24:59,970 machines. They're giant machines that you use this two inch tape 2458 02:25:00,270 --> 02:25:04,860 The the head flies across the thing up and down. And they 2459 02:25:04,860 --> 02:25:07,830 believe they can't get enough parts and stuff to keep these 2460 02:25:07,830 --> 02:25:11,670 machines going as long as long as they need to be going for 2461 02:25:11,670 --> 02:25:14,700 there. But it would seem as though these tapes, these two 2462 02:25:14,700 --> 02:25:17,280 inch tapes that we're talking about here, would have high 2463 02:25:17,280 --> 02:25:20,670 priority. And you're right, there's at least, you know, I 2464 02:25:20,670 --> 02:25:22,530 don't know how many of these machines are left, but there's 2465 02:25:22,530 --> 02:25:25,560 enough that they could put one put it in play right now and dub 2466 02:25:25,560 --> 02:25:25,710 it. 2467 02:25:26,699 --> 02:25:31,679 Adam Curry: Yeah, I It's the story is very fishy to me. 2468 02:25:33,029 --> 02:25:36,689 There's also another story that says the guy went, he went to 2469 02:25:36,689 --> 02:25:39,749 NASA, and they played it back for me. And I guess in the odd, 2470 02:25:39,749 --> 02:25:43,199 here's the tapes, but I mean, this whole thing smells, and 2471 02:25:43,199 --> 02:25:46,289 it's coming on the 50th anniversary, it's coming up on 2472 02:25:46,289 --> 02:25:50,249 Space Force, we're supposed to land on the moon and 2020 24, 2473 02:25:50,429 --> 02:25:52,799 which is the only reason the only reason I'm going to 2474 02:25:52,799 --> 02:25:58,289 continue doing the show is just on 2024 I can say see, because 2475 02:25:58,289 --> 02:26:00,749 we're not going to land on the moon, don't get your hopes up. 2476 02:26:00,809 --> 02:26:03,959 It's not going to happen. There'll be some other news, 2477 02:26:03,989 --> 02:26:07,229 Trump is already saying, oh, we should go to Mars. Okay. It's 2478 02:26:07,229 --> 02:26:12,299 only 1000 times further. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, 2479 02:26:12,780 --> 02:26:15,060 John C. Dvorak: I would catch on that I didn't know this was 2480 02:26:15,060 --> 02:26:18,810 going on. What? That somebody found these old tapes. So they 2481 02:26:18,810 --> 02:26:21,390 picked them up at a government auction for 200 bucks. 2482 02:26:21,990 --> 02:26:25,140 Adam Curry: And, you know, NASA doesn't say hey, why don't you 2483 02:26:25,590 --> 02:26:28,440 give us a copy? I mean, are these is 2484 02:26:28,470 --> 02:26:30,360 John C. Dvorak: how come the guys in the black suits don't 2485 02:26:30,360 --> 02:26:32,280 show up and just grab the tapes? 2486 02:26:32,400 --> 02:26:35,280 Adam Curry: And are the tapes actually still good. I mean that 2487 02:26:35,310 --> 02:26:38,310 they show pictures of these tapes out of their boxes, which 2488 02:26:38,310 --> 02:26:42,150 is extremely stupid. Certainly Christie's would know better. If 2489 02:26:42,150 --> 02:26:45,060 they're really running this auction, you do not take these 2490 02:26:45,060 --> 02:26:48,840 tapes out of their seat, the plastic sealed containers with a 2491 02:26:48,840 --> 02:26:52,590 big turn lock on them. I've carried these around for years. 2492 02:26:53,310 --> 02:26:58,980 And the minute you expose them to the atmosphere, it can get 2493 02:26:58,980 --> 02:27:00,150 very, very bad. 2494 02:27:00,420 --> 02:27:02,460 John C. Dvorak: I would believe these tapes are still good, 2495 02:27:02,849 --> 02:27:04,409 Adam Curry: even though they've been exposed to the to the 2496 02:27:04,409 --> 02:27:06,719 elements to oxygen. Yeah, 2497 02:27:06,720 --> 02:27:09,690 John C. Dvorak: absolutely. This not just cellulose movie film, 2498 02:27:09,690 --> 02:27:12,450 that unit is dangerous is going to explode that it's just a it's 2499 02:27:12,450 --> 02:27:14,940 a magnetic tape, the problem is going to be since they've been 2500 02:27:14,940 --> 02:27:17,430 in stores for so long, there's going to be a lot of crosstalk 2501 02:27:18,120 --> 02:27:20,670 which is a real problem with magnetic tape and storing it. 2502 02:27:20,670 --> 02:27:22,740 That's why you should run the tape every once in a while. So 2503 02:27:22,740 --> 02:27:26,070 you don't have the same magnetic image pushing against the tape 2504 02:27:26,070 --> 02:27:28,710 at the same exact spot for a very long time. Because it will 2505 02:27:28,710 --> 02:27:32,100 magnetize it. So you're going to have the messy image I see that 2506 02:27:32,700 --> 02:27:36,180 the only danger but and I'm sure it's going to be problematic. 2507 02:27:36,180 --> 02:27:36,990 But still, 2508 02:27:37,050 --> 02:27:39,840 Adam Curry: I still somewhere I still have a couple of the we I 2509 02:27:39,840 --> 02:27:43,800 think we call them BNCs. With those no the B and C's were the 2510 02:27:43,800 --> 02:27:45,270 smaller ones. Those were the ones that 2511 02:27:46,080 --> 02:27:48,420 John C. Dvorak: always use the helical head, right this these 2512 02:27:48,420 --> 02:27:51,090 heads on these amp axes were vertical, they just ran straight 2513 02:27:51,090 --> 02:27:55,050 across the tape up and down on a spinning drive spinning thing. 2514 02:27:55,050 --> 02:27:59,070 It's with four heads on it. I clunky machine 2515 02:27:59,100 --> 02:28:04,080 Adam Curry: I used to I used to be able to calibrate them a two 2516 02:28:04,080 --> 02:28:07,290 inch machine or a two inch forehead and went like this. You 2517 02:28:07,290 --> 02:28:10,590 put up the bars. You know you you roll the tape on the bars. 2518 02:28:10,860 --> 02:28:13,980 And then there were basically two knobs but you would kick the 2519 02:28:13,980 --> 02:28:18,540 machine just to the right at the bottom. That would somehow 2520 02:28:18,570 --> 02:28:21,180 always get it to align almost automatically. 2521 02:28:22,650 --> 02:28:23,760 John C. Dvorak: Sounds like Ampex 2522 02:28:25,020 --> 02:28:27,000 Adam Curry: it was Dutch broadcasting. So yes, it was 2523 02:28:27,000 --> 02:28:32,730 totally Ampex. Okay, then, as many know I'm a big fan of 2524 02:28:32,730 --> 02:28:36,090 Professor Ted and his writings, the industrial society and his 2525 02:28:36,090 --> 02:28:39,240 future. I think he accurately predicted the social justice 2526 02:28:39,240 --> 02:28:43,620 warrior movement, the social networks, his story has been 2527 02:28:43,650 --> 02:28:48,270 changed and mutated over the years. We recently had Joe 2528 02:28:48,270 --> 02:28:51,750 Rogan. Talk about Professor Ted's, as I'm talking about the 2529 02:28:51,750 --> 02:28:57,090 Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski, and incorrectly said that Professor 2530 02:28:57,090 --> 02:29:00,480 Ted wood went nuts and started blowing people up. Know the true 2531 02:29:00,480 --> 02:29:02,700 story is he wrote this manifesto, which you can 2532 02:29:02,700 --> 02:29:05,700 download from any place and you can even get a copy on Amazon. 2533 02:29:06,240 --> 02:29:10,470 And he want he felt that what was in there was so important, 2534 02:29:10,500 --> 02:29:14,670 and that the industrial society through technology would come to 2535 02:29:14,670 --> 02:29:18,360 a horrible demise. And I think to a degree, he's probably 2536 02:29:18,360 --> 02:29:21,720 right. And he felt it was extremely important that the New 2537 02:29:21,720 --> 02:29:25,380 York Times and Washington Post published his manifesto, they 2538 02:29:25,380 --> 02:29:28,680 refused. And then he said, If you don't publish it, I it's so 2539 02:29:28,680 --> 02:29:31,320 important to me. I'm going to start killing people until you 2540 02:29:31,320 --> 02:29:35,310 do. And he started killing people. And they did, and no one 2541 02:29:35,310 --> 02:29:39,060 ever even remembers that it was published. But interestingly, 2542 02:29:39,570 --> 02:29:43,620 and which of course, I condemn his killing of people. But I 2543 02:29:43,620 --> 02:29:47,880 suggest you read this document. And you will be surprised by the 2544 02:29:47,880 --> 02:29:51,210 accuracy of what is going on right now. Today was social 2545 02:29:51,210 --> 02:29:54,780 networking and technology, right down to the world coming to an 2546 02:29:54,780 --> 02:29:58,110 absolute standstill and freak out when Facebook images don't 2547 02:29:58,110 --> 02:30:06,330 load Sam Harris of the Sam Harris podcast started his show 2548 02:30:06,330 --> 02:30:08,340 off the other day. With this, 2549 02:30:08,370 --> 02:30:12,060 Unknown: honestly, I just reread the Unabomber manifesto for the 2550 02:30:12,060 --> 02:30:14,700 first time since it was originally published, as you 2551 02:30:14,700 --> 02:30:19,380 might recall, under threat of further maiming and murder, and 2552 02:30:19,560 --> 02:30:24,240 it is a slightly crazy document. And you can certainly hear 2553 02:30:24,510 --> 02:30:29,340 Kaczynski grinding his teeth in the background, more or less 2554 02:30:29,340 --> 02:30:35,220 throughout. But the truth is, it is better reasoned and 2555 02:30:35,310 --> 02:30:41,460 modulated, then half of what I see on Twitter and this is from 2556 02:30:41,460 --> 02:30:44,910 people with blue checkmarks by their names and large 2557 02:30:44,910 --> 02:30:49,080 followings. So I don't know what it means to be able to honestly 2558 02:30:49,080 --> 02:30:52,860 say that half the people on Twitter seem less hinged than a 2559 02:30:52,860 --> 02:30:56,820 man who was sending bombs in the mail. But it does seem that 2560 02:30:56,820 --> 02:31:01,590 we're performing an experiment on ourselves, the consequences 2561 02:31:01,590 --> 02:31:05,880 of which are as yet undetermined. Anyway, I'm very 2562 02:31:05,880 --> 02:31:10,500 happy to have withdrawn to the degree that I have a feels far 2563 02:31:10,500 --> 02:31:11,280 more sane. 2564 02:31:11,820 --> 02:31:14,010 Adam Curry: And when he says withdrawn, he's talking about 2565 02:31:14,010 --> 02:31:17,940 withdrawing from social media. So maybe if you haven't, if 2566 02:31:17,940 --> 02:31:21,600 you've only thought I curry your nut job. Maybe you should give 2567 02:31:21,600 --> 02:31:24,690 it a listen. I mean, Sam Harris after all, don't take it from 2568 02:31:24,690 --> 02:31:27,210 me. Take it from Sam. No, Sam 2569 02:31:27,210 --> 02:31:31,890 John C. Dvorak: cmcm. Sam will have a couple of things left. 2570 02:31:34,320 --> 02:31:39,480 One oh, by the way, is hot in Canada. Some rank in Alaska 2571 02:31:39,480 --> 02:31:44,280 guesses 85 to 8586 degrees up there and everywhere. Things 2572 02:31:44,280 --> 02:31:47,820 have melted. Play the hot in Canada think get that out of the 2573 02:31:47,820 --> 02:31:48,120 way, 2574 02:31:48,270 --> 02:31:51,960 Unknown: stepped outside and basically started sweating 2575 02:31:51,990 --> 02:31:53,520 immediately. Yeah, 2576 02:31:53,580 --> 02:31:56,790 him and everybody else across eastern Canada. Lots of places 2577 02:31:56,790 --> 02:32:00,000 experienced their hottest day so far this year. It felt like 2578 02:32:00,000 --> 02:32:03,360 close to 40 degrees with the humidity. And there won't be 2579 02:32:03,360 --> 02:32:06,390 much relief tonight either. Heat warnings are still in place in 2580 02:32:06,390 --> 02:32:09,540 parts of Quebec, Ontario, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia 2581 02:32:09,810 --> 02:32:11,820 Adam Curry: die of course hottest year on record ever all 2582 02:32:11,820 --> 02:32:14,040 going to die pay your carbon tax slave. 2583 02:32:14,430 --> 02:32:20,340 John C. Dvorak: Yep. 62 here. So there's this is a story that I 2584 02:32:20,340 --> 02:32:24,270 least want to run because it's kind of depressing mad because I 2585 02:32:24,270 --> 02:32:27,540 talked to me about his Mad Magazine shutters play the clip, 2586 02:32:27,600 --> 02:32:31,950 Unknown: and iconic MAD magazine will leave newsstands this fall, 2587 02:32:32,040 --> 02:32:36,690 and in its 67 year long run. The satirical magazine with its 2588 02:32:36,840 --> 02:32:41,130 gapped tooth mascot, Alfred E. Newman influenced generations of 2589 02:32:41,130 --> 02:32:44,820 readers with its subversive humor. At its peak in the early 2590 02:32:44,820 --> 02:32:49,740 1970s. It attracted more than 2 million subscribers, but its 2591 02:32:49,740 --> 02:32:52,590 circulation declined in recent years. 2592 02:32:53,130 --> 02:32:56,400 Adam Curry: Yeah, that was I was just gonna say the Mad Magazine 2593 02:32:56,400 --> 02:33:02,400 was a staple staple. For me, as a kid growing up. 2594 02:33:03,480 --> 02:33:06,690 John C. Dvorak: We'll there. I mentioned this to me, me and she 2595 02:33:06,690 --> 02:33:08,790 says when's the last time you bought a copy? And there's 2596 02:33:08,790 --> 02:33:11,820 another example of Well, you never support the thing. So this 2597 02:33:11,820 --> 02:33:14,400 is going to happen to the podcast the way it's going. You 2598 02:33:14,400 --> 02:33:17,250 didn't support Mad Magazine. You haven't bought a copy for what 2599 02:33:17,250 --> 02:33:19,860 10 years and now you're bitching about the fact that this 2600 02:33:19,860 --> 02:33:22,650 shuttering, okay, well, maybe you're you're it's your fault. 2601 02:33:23,220 --> 02:33:26,100 Now there was also a social justice warrior. I understand 2602 02:33:26,100 --> 02:33:27,270 that took over the publication. 2603 02:33:27,300 --> 02:33:27,990 Adam Curry: Oh, really? 2604 02:33:30,450 --> 02:33:33,420 John C. Dvorak: By the way, I'm one of the few people if not I 2605 02:33:33,420 --> 02:33:37,980 don't even know anymore. Anyone else who's done it. That license 2606 02:33:37,980 --> 02:33:41,640 the Alfred Newman character for a computer book that I did once? 2607 02:33:41,700 --> 02:33:44,910 Oh, really? Yeah, we got the license and it was like well, 2608 02:33:44,910 --> 02:33:47,670 you can't get your no you can't do this. Just ask him if you can 2609 02:33:47,670 --> 02:33:50,040 get you that maybe they'll license the character and they 2610 02:33:50,040 --> 02:33:50,340 did. 2611 02:33:51,240 --> 02:33:52,830 Adam Curry: How do you remember what it cost? 2612 02:33:54,000 --> 02:33:55,680 John C. Dvorak: No, I don't remember the details there 2613 02:33:55,680 --> 02:33:58,410 wasn't much that was I remember that much because disguises 2614 02:33:58,410 --> 02:34:01,830 McGraw Hill, they weren't that didn't have that much money. So 2615 02:34:01,830 --> 02:34:06,000 it was pretty inexpensive. I just think nobody ever asked. I 2616 02:34:06,150 --> 02:34:08,490 know the thing. Well, you have to ask once in a while. 2617 02:34:08,820 --> 02:34:13,320 Adam Curry: I remember as probably seven, seven year old 2618 02:34:13,320 --> 02:34:20,880 maybe 270. Yeah, that makes sense. That Mad Magazine was 2619 02:34:20,880 --> 02:34:26,670 kind of the like, for young it had a bit of a porn taint to it. 2620 02:34:27,540 --> 02:34:35,820 Teach a poor choice of words he said it no spy versus spy was 2621 02:34:35,820 --> 02:34:39,840 was of course my favorite. But there was that always drew is 2622 02:34:39,840 --> 02:34:45,180 chicks man. And they drew them in very suggestive sexual ways. 2623 02:34:45,270 --> 02:34:49,050 John C. Dvorak: Oh, yeah. Big giant tops. And yeah, it was 2624 02:34:49,050 --> 02:34:52,800 Adam Curry: a real Yeah, it's a real coming of age type thing. 2625 02:34:52,830 --> 02:34:55,860 So I thought they only stopped publishing the magazine but they 2626 02:34:55,860 --> 02:34:58,620 would continue online or is it really completely gone? 2627 02:34:59,520 --> 02:35:03,420 John C. Dvorak: There is was unclear. Magazine was the 2628 02:35:03,420 --> 02:35:07,290 magazine. I have. Also in the later years like more recently 2629 02:35:07,290 --> 02:35:10,920 they had some tremendous cover art It was done by some gallery 2630 02:35:10,980 --> 02:35:13,710 Adam Curry: always good. Oh, it didn't they have the fold over 2631 02:35:13,710 --> 02:35:18,210 on the back. Yeah, that was ever so well at a classic it was that 2632 02:35:18,210 --> 02:35:21,630 was so much fun. Where you would have this picture and then you'd 2633 02:35:21,630 --> 02:35:25,260 have to fold it in half, or create a folder. And that will 2634 02:35:25,260 --> 02:35:28,500 be something else. That would be the payoff of the joke, which 2635 02:35:28,500 --> 02:35:31,830 you can't really do in digital anymore. That was that was a 2636 02:35:31,830 --> 02:35:32,610 true paper 2637 02:35:33,150 --> 02:35:36,630 John C. Dvorak: animation of this that the same a true 2638 02:35:38,010 --> 02:35:41,070 Adam Curry: it's gone. It's just the foldover just it's it's 2639 02:35:41,400 --> 02:35:43,620 something that will never come back. It's all gone. It's all 2640 02:35:43,620 --> 02:35:46,620 gone. Hey, you know you were talking about Ebola not being 2641 02:35:46,620 --> 02:35:51,120 mentioned here. We always like to hop on television and talk 2642 02:35:51,120 --> 02:35:56,340 about gun violence and gun deaths. Not we're not we but to 2643 02:35:56,340 --> 02:35:59,370 the mainstream media does media does it? Let's let's check in 2644 02:35:59,370 --> 02:36:01,710 with Chicago over the weekend. The holiday weekend 2645 02:36:01,710 --> 02:36:04,980 Unknown: is not over yet. And already 57 People have been shot 2646 02:36:04,980 --> 02:36:08,280 in Chicago with at least five of them killed. Oh, let's not 2647 02:36:08,280 --> 02:36:10,500 John C. Dvorak: report on that people knew well, you don't want 2648 02:36:10,500 --> 02:36:14,100 to report on that. Because you know if Chicago would just 2649 02:36:14,100 --> 02:36:18,090 tighten up their gun laws. Just wouldn't be a problem. 2650 02:36:18,750 --> 02:36:20,580 Unknown: Yeah, they gotta make a title. Let 2651 02:36:20,580 --> 02:36:23,100 John C. Dvorak: me look. Oh, I'm sorry. Chicago has some of the 2652 02:36:23,100 --> 02:36:27,900 most stringent gun laws. Ah, how does that work? 2653 02:36:28,769 --> 02:36:30,749 Adam Curry: Doesn't seem to be well, you know, for the same 2654 02:36:30,749 --> 02:36:35,789 reason that Austin is. Austin is letting people camp out on their 2655 02:36:35,789 --> 02:36:38,639 streets. It hasn't happened yet. By the way. I've been driving 2656 02:36:38,639 --> 02:36:41,609 through town almost every day to see if there's any tents on 2657 02:36:41,609 --> 02:36:43,889 Congress Avenue. It has not happened yet. 2658 02:36:44,220 --> 02:36:45,660 John C. Dvorak: It's coming. No, I'm 2659 02:36:45,660 --> 02:36:47,760 Adam Curry: sure it's coming. And pooping on the street is 2660 02:36:47,760 --> 02:36:49,140 common. It's all come out. 2661 02:36:49,200 --> 02:36:53,250 John C. Dvorak: Here's your nan the street. So the street Gavin 2662 02:36:53,250 --> 02:36:53,640 Newsom 2663 02:36:53,640 --> 02:36:56,010 Adam Curry: is your mayor, your governor. What is he now he's 2664 02:36:56,010 --> 02:36:58,770 the governor Governor. Here's a little Gaff. 2665 02:36:59,130 --> 02:37:02,310 Unknown: The flag of San Francisco is a phoenix rising 2666 02:37:02,760 --> 02:37:06,690 that came out of the ashes in the 19 106 earthquake and the 2667 02:37:06,690 --> 02:37:10,860 Phoenix Rising symbolic because San Francisco rose from those 2668 02:37:10,860 --> 02:37:11,370 acids 2669 02:37:15,270 --> 02:37:15,900 yes 2670 02:37:18,330 --> 02:37:19,680 John C. Dvorak: wishes that was more clear 2671 02:37:20,280 --> 02:37:23,280 Adam Curry: me to say it was worth the 11 seconds 2672 02:37:25,560 --> 02:37:29,130 John C. Dvorak: so it looks like the BBC is going to their or the 2673 02:37:29,160 --> 02:37:34,320 British I think is ITV they've they kind of took the reigns in 2674 02:37:34,320 --> 02:37:39,060 the day ideas of the of the reality TV and they have this 2675 02:37:39,300 --> 02:37:41,550 huge hit called Love Island. 2676 02:37:42,090 --> 02:37:45,480 Adam Curry: Okay and what is what is what is the US 2677 02:37:45,480 --> 02:37:47,520 John C. Dvorak: now and here's a report this kind of interesting 2678 02:37:47,520 --> 02:37:51,000 because people are dying people are taking participating in the 2679 02:37:51,000 --> 02:37:53,250 show are killing themselves. Oh, 2680 02:37:54,600 --> 02:37:56,490 Adam Curry: you know, I've always been a big proponent of 2681 02:37:56,490 --> 02:38:00,030 showing death on television. Real Death is is a ratings 2682 02:38:00,030 --> 02:38:03,180 winner. Surprised to see 2683 02:38:04,530 --> 02:38:07,620 Unknown: young attractive singles in a Mediterranean Villa 2684 02:38:07,650 --> 02:38:11,310 looking for love, all while being filmed 24/7 2685 02:38:11,700 --> 02:38:16,410 the public have decided that the Islander they want to save as 2686 02:38:16,440 --> 02:38:20,700 there's public voting, a cash prize and fresh episodes six 2687 02:38:20,700 --> 02:38:24,390 nights a week for five weeks. Love Island has captivated 2688 02:38:24,390 --> 02:38:28,800 millions of viewers in the UK. Are you ready America. And now 2689 02:38:28,800 --> 02:38:32,340 the hit British reality shows American version will debut this 2690 02:38:32,340 --> 02:38:34,680 month. It's a little trash here than 2691 02:38:34,680 --> 02:38:38,490 you might see on a regular reality show. And it's proud of 2692 02:38:38,490 --> 02:38:41,430 that trashiness And it's meant to be kind of like the the 2693 02:38:41,430 --> 02:38:42,600 ultimate guilty pleasure. 2694 02:38:42,750 --> 02:38:46,560 But these made for TV social experiments are also facing 2695 02:38:46,590 --> 02:38:47,790 increased scrutiny. 2696 02:38:48,120 --> 02:38:51,420 As far as reality television is concerned is we're moving 2697 02:38:51,480 --> 02:38:54,270 inexorably towards a sort of a version of The Hunger Games for 2698 02:38:54,270 --> 02:38:54,630 UK 2699 02:38:54,630 --> 02:38:58,050 Government launched an inquiry into reality TV to deal with 2700 02:38:58,050 --> 02:39:01,380 concerns following the recent suicides of contestants 2701 02:39:01,410 --> 02:39:05,610 including to on ITV love Island. Okay. 2702 02:39:06,840 --> 02:39:08,550 John C. Dvorak: So they've apparently I didn't know this, 2703 02:39:08,550 --> 02:39:12,270 but they have these shrinks now and then part two, we'll discuss 2704 02:39:12,270 --> 02:39:12,750 that. 2705 02:39:12,990 --> 02:39:15,690 Unknown: Connie Lancaster James has worked as a resident 2706 02:39:15,690 --> 02:39:19,980 psychologist on reality TV sets, including love Island. 2707 02:39:20,640 --> 02:39:23,580 I think we're at a time when we really do need to review the 2708 02:39:23,580 --> 02:39:26,910 kinds of psychological welfare services that are put in place 2709 02:39:27,090 --> 02:39:27,930 on a production 2710 02:39:28,110 --> 02:39:30,210 I'm sorry, Joe. Congratulations Lucy. 2711 02:39:30,360 --> 02:39:33,420 Love Ireland producers say they will increase psychological 2712 02:39:33,420 --> 02:39:36,540 supports for contestants after they leave the show. Something 2713 02:39:36,540 --> 02:39:38,400 Lancaster James says is needed. 2714 02:39:38,430 --> 02:39:40,980 People seem to think that just because you live in the public 2715 02:39:40,980 --> 02:39:44,400 eye or you're on TV or you're in the movies, that somehow you've 2716 02:39:44,400 --> 02:39:47,310 got this amazing life and you should be able to weather any 2717 02:39:47,310 --> 02:39:50,160 criticism that comes your way because you've chosen a public 2718 02:39:50,160 --> 02:39:50,640 life. 2719 02:39:50,850 --> 02:39:54,300 Toronto firefighter Kevin went knows the risks of starring in 2720 02:39:54,300 --> 02:39:56,310 reality TV all too well. 2721 02:39:56,520 --> 02:39:59,160 It's definitely something you're not prepared for it went 2722 02:39:59,160 --> 02:39:59,520 appeared 2723 02:39:59,520 --> 02:40:02,550 on Canada His bachelorette and caught the attention of American 2724 02:40:02,550 --> 02:40:05,430 producers who cast him in the hugely popular bachelor 2725 02:40:05,430 --> 02:40:09,390 franchise spin offs. Kevin is in the final stage of shooting. But 2726 02:40:09,390 --> 02:40:11,970 his newfound fame did pose challenges 2727 02:40:12,090 --> 02:40:14,460 when you just read a few comments online that you're this 2728 02:40:14,460 --> 02:40:17,160 and that, it can really ruin your day and it can really push 2729 02:40:17,160 --> 02:40:19,290 you into a depression and then I found myself to be pretty 2730 02:40:19,290 --> 02:40:23,220 depressed. I did seek help. I went to therapy twice a week for 2731 02:40:23,220 --> 02:40:27,270 half a year or so after the first show I was on. And then 2732 02:40:27,270 --> 02:40:29,190 you just slowly kind of rebuild yourself back 2733 02:40:29,670 --> 02:40:33,300 when something positive did come out of his reality TV 2734 02:40:33,300 --> 02:40:37,170 experience. Not only did he meet his future wife, he learned to 2735 02:40:37,170 --> 02:40:42,240 put his mental health first. Yeah, by going 2736 02:40:42,240 --> 02:40:45,030 Adam Curry: on a TV show. A common theme here, 2737 02:40:45,150 --> 02:40:47,460 John C. Dvorak: as you mentioned, which you can roll 2738 02:40:47,490 --> 02:40:53,010 roll is social media. If he wasn't reading all these 2739 02:40:53,010 --> 02:40:56,010 comments, you know that we're on social media and this is true 2740 02:40:56,010 --> 02:41:00,060 with professional athletes and everybody else's social media is 2741 02:41:00,060 --> 02:41:02,010 making people kill themselves. 2742 02:41:02,700 --> 02:41:04,770 Adam Curry: That should be a hint. 2743 02:41:06,360 --> 02:41:10,170 John C. Dvorak: That's the big hint. Get off Facebook 2744 02:41:10,290 --> 02:41:14,550 Adam Curry: and and Twitter and Instagram Don't worry these 2745 02:41:14,550 --> 02:41:17,880 things are falling down on flat on their face every single day 2746 02:41:17,880 --> 02:41:22,860 now iCloud was out. centralized services are on the way out 2747 02:41:22,860 --> 02:41:30,060 people join the Federation I'm the king of the Federation so 2748 02:41:31,980 --> 02:41:34,230 Unknown: and with call me for King or the Federation. 2749 02:41:35,039 --> 02:41:37,319 Adam Curry: I need you to walk in front of me and announce me 2750 02:41:37,319 --> 02:41:41,189 everywhere. And when that people ends are deconstruction for 2751 02:41:41,189 --> 02:41:45,629 today. Thank you all for thank thank you for the trolls who 2752 02:41:45,629 --> 02:41:47,759 showed up in the troll. We appreciate that. And those of 2753 02:41:47,759 --> 02:41:51,569 you who participated in our value for value network coming 2754 02:41:51,569 --> 02:41:54,569 to you from the frontier of Austin, Texas. In the morning, 2755 02:41:54,569 --> 02:41:55,769 everybody I'm Adam curry, 2756 02:41:56,070 --> 02:41:57,720 John C. Dvorak: and from Northern Silicon Valley for 2757 02:41:57,720 --> 02:42:00,540 anyone's information. This effort was 10 cars today. I'm 2758 02:42:00,540 --> 02:42:01,680 John C. Dvorak coming 2759 02:42:01,680 --> 02:42:03,780 Adam Curry: up next, the grumpy old Ben's with the Electoral 2760 02:42:03,780 --> 02:42:09,240 College episode thanks to well of course are Chris Wilson UK P 2761 02:42:09,240 --> 02:42:13,590 MX and more for our end of show mixes until Thursday adios mo 2762 02:42:15,420 --> 02:42:36,780 such bang in the morning I bang it in the bang out day just bang 2763 02:42:36,780 --> 02:42:50,280 out a bang out Trump for collusion with the Russians FBI 2764 02:42:50,280 --> 02:43:00,960 could impeach trucks to beat them on repeat human events and 2765 02:43:01,170 --> 02:43:08,820 defeat Kushner and I'd impeach impeach them all for collusion 2766 02:43:08,820 --> 02:43:19,950 with the Russians all over this land grab 2767 02:43:20,190 --> 02:43:20,910 Unknown: okay let's go 2768 02:43:22,110 --> 02:43:25,140 Going on why am I losing? What am I have sound alright it's 2769 02:43:25,140 --> 02:43:28,860 back someone's pressing buttons and turning my sound somewhat in 2770 02:43:28,860 --> 02:43:31,680 that control room is out of control control room when he got 2771 02:43:33,330 --> 02:43:38,310 his insanity in the control. Based on everything store mine a 2772 02:43:38,310 --> 02:43:41,610 woman talking in my ear was talking about the Labor Day 2773 02:43:41,610 --> 02:43:50,220 Special. Who's got a hammer where's the hammer? hammering 2774 02:43:52,260 --> 02:44:04,020 hammering hammering How do you say this guy's last track bro 2775 02:44:08,010 --> 02:44:08,970 John C. Dvorak: we did blow that one 2776 02:44:08,970 --> 02:44:15,000 Unknown: up. What am I have sound what's going on? Why 2777 02:44:15,000 --> 02:44:20,970 am I losing? There's insanity in the control. Someone's pressing 2778 02:44:20,970 --> 02:44:24,540 the buttons. Someone in that control room was out of control. 2779 02:44:26,670 --> 02:44:41,490 Where's the hammer? The Hammer hammering hammering hammering 2780 02:44:41,490 --> 02:44:53,460 out where's the hammer? The hammer the hammering a hammer 2781 02:44:57,000 --> 02:45:01,470 hammering where's the hammers? Someone's pressing buttons 2782 02:45:02,130 --> 02:45:17,250 turning my sound What Am I alright where's the hammer? The 2783 02:45:17,250 --> 02:45:31,170 Hammer hammering hammering hammering out there where's the 2784 02:45:31,170 --> 02:45:47,190 hammer? The hammer the hammer right hammering out where's the 2785 02:45:47,190 --> 02:45:55,500 hammer on my house it's going on why am I losing this insanity in 2786 02:45:55,500 --> 02:46:01,920 control someone's pressing the buttons that control room is out 2787 02:46:01,920 --> 02:46:12,240 of control hammering MoPhO 2788 02:46:12,269 --> 02:46:17,279 borak.org/in A stop 2789 02:46:17,490 --> 02:46:18,660 the hammering