1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,130 Adam Curry: Go there and advertising a word advertising 2 00:00:02,130 --> 00:00:03,120 and that's not fair. 3 00:00:03,450 --> 00:00:05,520 Unknown: Adam curry, John C Devorah. 4 00:00:05,780 --> 00:00:08,780 Adam Curry: There's a June 13 2019 This is your award winning 5 00:00:08,780 --> 00:00:12,230 keep on nation media assassination episode 1146. 6 00:00:12,260 --> 00:00:14,120 Unknown: This is no agenda. 7 00:00:14,900 --> 00:00:18,350 Adam Curry: Meeting find people on all sides and broadcasting 8 00:00:18,350 --> 00:00:22,670 live from the capital of Gitmo nation, East. London, England. 9 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:24,950 Morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry 10 00:00:24,990 --> 00:00:26,910 John C. Dvorak: man from Northern Silicon Valley where I 11 00:00:26,910 --> 00:00:30,420 remain and I am here at admiring the double decker buses. I'm 12 00:00:30,420 --> 00:00:33,480 John Cena. dragline buzzkill 13 00:00:35,340 --> 00:00:37,020 Adam Curry: you can't have double decker buses. That's for 14 00:00:37,020 --> 00:00:39,690 us exclusively here. And then the get my nation East in the 15 00:00:39,690 --> 00:00:43,200 UK. Yeah, well, those days are over. So you have double decker 16 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,270 buses in San Francisco. 17 00:00:45,930 --> 00:00:49,350 John C. Dvorak: Now San Francisco still has an eye. The 18 00:00:49,350 --> 00:00:51,390 reason they don't have them is because everything's electric. 19 00:00:51,420 --> 00:00:54,300 This all electric buses and double decker buses can't make 20 00:00:54,300 --> 00:00:58,440 that little suspension thing work, I guess. No, it's in the 21 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:03,660 East Bay AC Transit. Alameda County Transit and they use the 22 00:01:03,660 --> 00:01:07,530 buses. They have a number of them. Yeah, they use them to go 23 00:01:07,530 --> 00:01:10,350 across the bay and they get twice as many people on the bus 24 00:01:10,350 --> 00:01:13,710 or not twice as many but quite a few more. So 25 00:01:13,710 --> 00:01:17,010 Adam Curry: the three of us so it's not for tourism. It's for 26 00:01:17,010 --> 00:01:23,670 actual transportation. Yeah, that's nice. Yeah, it's about 27 00:01:23,670 --> 00:01:27,060 time. Yeah. Well, they got him here too. In London. 28 00:01:27,180 --> 00:01:28,710 John C. Dvorak: I've had him there forever and it's just 29 00:01:28,710 --> 00:01:31,290 amazes me how long it takes for somebody else to figure out it's 30 00:01:31,290 --> 00:01:34,140 not a bad idea Yeah, 31 00:01:34,619 --> 00:01:36,689 Adam Curry: well they certainly they should do TRIPLE DECKERs by 32 00:01:36,689 --> 00:01:41,069 now traffic here is unbelievable it's gotten so bad I've there's 33 00:01:41,069 --> 00:01:43,979 so much that's happened since I was last in the UK like properly 34 00:01:43,979 --> 00:01:47,459 in the UK not just passing through this buildings here that 35 00:01:47,459 --> 00:01:49,169 weren't here last time I checked it up. 36 00:01:49,740 --> 00:01:52,230 John C. Dvorak: That one was was the last time we chatted trying 37 00:01:52,230 --> 00:01:54,300 Adam Curry: to think with how long ago was it that it was 38 00:01:54,300 --> 00:02:00,000 actually in in London? i It's been a long time John. It's been 39 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,610 John C. Dvorak: maybe sending a lot of a lot of weird looking 40 00:02:02,610 --> 00:02:04,650 Adam Curry: buildings to well that I'm looking right at that 41 00:02:04,650 --> 00:02:05,070 point. He 42 00:02:05,070 --> 00:02:07,410 John C. Dvorak: was a double decker bus now on the freeway, 43 00:02:07,410 --> 00:02:11,070 she is it red? Is a red. No, it's green and white. 44 00:02:11,130 --> 00:02:17,310 Adam Curry: Okay. There's a big pointy building. I'm gonna put 45 00:02:17,310 --> 00:02:22,200 my glasses on for review. I mean, I used to know what 46 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,160 happened to the to the Gherkin to the did they tear that one 47 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,010 down? Already? The big pickle? Yeah. What happened to that one? 48 00:02:29,010 --> 00:02:30,150 I can't see it anywhere. I 49 00:02:30,150 --> 00:02:31,020 John C. Dvorak: think it's still there. 50 00:02:31,049 --> 00:02:35,189 Adam Curry: Is it behind the big pointy one now? There must be 51 00:02:35,759 --> 00:02:38,819 there must be five or six different buildings just Yeah. 52 00:02:38,849 --> 00:02:39,359 Anyway. 53 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:41,280 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, we're if there was one it looks like it's 54 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,230 falling over. Yeah, 55 00:02:43,230 --> 00:02:46,410 Adam Curry: I can see that one. From here. That's that's kind of 56 00:02:46,710 --> 00:02:50,400 kind of weird. Yeah, well, we chose this location specifically 57 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,510 because it was in walking distance of the no agenda, 58 00:02:54,540 --> 00:02:57,180 London meetup that we held yesterday. Oh, so you're in the 59 00:02:57,180 --> 00:03:00,330 Paddington area. I'm just just on the cusp of the Paddington 60 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,400 area. And 61 00:03:02,580 --> 00:03:04,590 John C. Dvorak: in here's the multi CultI 62 00:03:05,010 --> 00:03:07,110 Adam Curry: though extremely, here's the here's the best laid 63 00:03:07,110 --> 00:03:12,150 plans. So we get this hotel. I mean, it is. I see on the map. 64 00:03:12,150 --> 00:03:15,840 It's a four minute walk. And of course, I did not bring the 65 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:20,340 smartphone and I'm I'm hell bent on even though. You know, I like 66 00:03:20,370 --> 00:03:22,590 ah, you know, should we? We don't we should have some 67 00:03:23,010 --> 00:03:26,460 navigation capabilities. I'm like, no, no, I can map this out 68 00:03:26,490 --> 00:03:29,670 in the room. And I can write down the directions. And we'll 69 00:03:29,670 --> 00:03:35,640 be fine. Four minutes. I swear to God it took us 15 i It's the 70 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:39,330 map skills they really do diminish over time if you don't 71 00:03:39,330 --> 00:03:39,930 keep them up. 72 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,250 John C. Dvorak: Yeah. So I went to that same place we 73 00:03:44,250 --> 00:03:47,640 Adam Curry: had Yes, the Victoria in Paddington. 74 00:03:48,060 --> 00:03:50,790 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, we went there. And I walked I know how 75 00:03:50,790 --> 00:03:53,310 to get I knew how to get there without I didn't have a 76 00:03:53,310 --> 00:03:56,520 smartphone. I was you know, we had a bunch of burners that we 77 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,060 could use in the area. And so I knew how to get there from the 78 00:04:00,060 --> 00:04:02,880 hope from the hotel and it was like you go down the main 79 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,570 street. That goes past Victoria station, you take a right. And 80 00:04:06,570 --> 00:04:09,390 you just keep walking and bang, you run right into this right 81 00:04:09,390 --> 00:04:15,960 there. Exactly. So I left the event. And I figured well I'm 82 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:20,460 just gonna go back to where I came. And for some reason I took 83 00:04:20,460 --> 00:04:24,960 the wrong street back and it was the middle of I don't know where 84 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,520 I was. I had to take a cab 85 00:04:28,530 --> 00:04:34,980 Adam Curry: wasn't quite that. So we arrived 7:30am yesterday 86 00:04:34,980 --> 00:04:38,910 morning. From our direct flight on Norwegian Air from Austin. 87 00:04:38,910 --> 00:04:43,080 First time we took this I have to say very impressed by the 88 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:44,040 budget airline. 89 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,100 John C. Dvorak: Okay, who fly we need to report on this airline 90 00:04:47,730 --> 00:04:49,590 is gonna be confronted with it. Yeah, short, 91 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,100 Adam Curry: short report. This is now American Airlines slash 92 00:04:53,100 --> 00:04:58,680 British Airways as a daily flight from Austin to Heathrow 93 00:04:59,460 --> 00:05:02,700 and It's very expensive and no matter no matter what class 94 00:05:02,700 --> 00:05:06,270 you're in it's expensive. Norwegian competes with that 95 00:05:06,300 --> 00:05:09,300 they're a budget airline in actually I think they're now the 96 00:05:09,300 --> 00:05:13,320 biggest airline from Europe to New York. That was that was kind 97 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,200 of their first thing. This is the plane with the the red nose. 98 00:05:16,230 --> 00:05:19,170 In fact, their callsign is even red nose and then the flight 99 00:05:19,170 --> 00:05:19,590 number, 100 00:05:19,890 --> 00:05:22,890 John C. Dvorak: but read No. Read. Just because there's a lot 101 00:05:22,890 --> 00:05:26,640 of alcoholics. No, no. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, celebrating, 102 00:05:26,670 --> 00:05:27,270 celebrating. 103 00:05:29,280 --> 00:05:34,950 Adam Curry: So it's probably about 40% cheaper than British 104 00:05:34,950 --> 00:05:41,520 Airways. And they fly the Dreamliner. The 7787 Yeah, nice 105 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,370 aircraft. I had not been on this yet. And besides 106 00:05:44,550 --> 00:05:46,380 John C. Dvorak: that you had consumerize that you were raving 107 00:05:46,380 --> 00:05:48,000 about it before? No, no, 108 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,030 Adam Curry: no, it was that was the big Airbus. I flew on that. 109 00:05:51,450 --> 00:05:56,100 But the Dreamliner is besides it being a plastic plane, which is 110 00:05:56,100 --> 00:05:56,910 not my favorite. 111 00:05:56,940 --> 00:05:58,500 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, I thought you were never going to fly on 112 00:05:58,500 --> 00:06:00,210 when because it's all plastic. Yeah, well, 113 00:06:00,359 --> 00:06:02,669 Adam Curry: I had to get here one way or the other. I can't 114 00:06:02,669 --> 00:06:06,539 afford I can't afford British Airways is is Airbus, usually 115 00:06:06,539 --> 00:06:11,909 too. But it's just it's fantastic. I'm very impressed 116 00:06:11,909 --> 00:06:16,349 that service. You don't get a lot of frills and you can order 117 00:06:16,349 --> 00:06:18,899 extra stuff on board. And they don't 118 00:06:18,900 --> 00:06:21,210 John C. Dvorak: have they charge for everything. My understanding 119 00:06:21,210 --> 00:06:22,320 is that they charge for 120 00:06:22,350 --> 00:06:24,840 Adam Curry: yes, they do. They do. They charge for a blanket. 121 00:06:24,870 --> 00:06:26,160 They charge for water. I 122 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,290 John C. Dvorak: urge you to go to the bathroom. No, they don't 123 00:06:28,290 --> 00:06:28,740 charge. 124 00:06:30,030 --> 00:06:32,220 Adam Curry: They don't charge it. They don't charge you to go 125 00:06:32,220 --> 00:06:33,750 to the bathroom. No. I said 126 00:06:33,750 --> 00:06:35,610 John C. Dvorak: had a coin operated door how? 127 00:06:37,590 --> 00:06:38,310 Adam Curry: Good try. 128 00:06:38,369 --> 00:06:40,979 John C. Dvorak: That was Miss. I was misled by the staff at 129 00:06:40,979 --> 00:06:41,699 British air. 130 00:06:42,659 --> 00:06:46,019 Adam Curry: Well, yeah, you wonder why. Now I have to say 131 00:06:46,019 --> 00:06:50,339 the keeper has been really smart. She is hell bent and 132 00:06:50,339 --> 00:06:53,009 determined on letting everybody know that this is our honeymoon. 133 00:06:53,489 --> 00:06:58,439 So right away in Norwegian Air. She says you know as we get our 134 00:06:58,889 --> 00:07:03,599 glass of water, he says it's our honeymoon. Oh, that's so great. 135 00:07:03,629 --> 00:07:07,199 And yep, lo and behold a show up two little bottles of champagne. 136 00:07:07,229 --> 00:07:10,049 Oh, here these are for you take these. This is it. This is 137 00:07:10,049 --> 00:07:13,559 actually almost a traveling tip. And if we do that's a 138 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,470 John C. Dvorak: great idea. And the fact is that they doorways 139 00:07:16,470 --> 00:07:19,860 and air is notorious for not giving away. Exactly and 140 00:07:19,860 --> 00:07:22,530 Adam Curry: it was champagne. It was brewed from Champagne from 141 00:07:22,530 --> 00:07:25,830 Champagne. Yeah, it wasn't Prosecco. Yeah, the little mini 142 00:07:25,830 --> 00:07:29,910 boss echo. It wasn't well, so then we as we 143 00:07:29,910 --> 00:07:31,770 John C. Dvorak: left like a couple of diligence. 144 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,670 Adam Curry: What if two mid 50 year olds? Can they get away 145 00:07:35,670 --> 00:07:38,250 with it? You know, it was like they were newlyweds. There was 146 00:07:38,250 --> 00:07:42,990 no question you know? There was no show me your papers please 147 00:07:42,990 --> 00:07:45,480 John C. Dvorak: rattling chip is worth the price of a donation. 148 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,870 Adam Curry: And it gets betters so when we hear you're at the 149 00:07:48,870 --> 00:07:52,500 hotel of course when you when you arrive. Oh, but I want to 150 00:07:52,500 --> 00:07:56,340 talk about the entry process into the UK something else I 151 00:07:56,340 --> 00:08:00,960 hadn't witness. This is completely biometrics sized and 152 00:08:00,990 --> 00:08:05,550 automatized. But it's better than the we have. It's better 153 00:08:05,550 --> 00:08:09,060 than world entry. You just walk up to the thing you shove your 154 00:08:09,060 --> 00:08:12,660 passport, it registers your face takes a picture for all eternity 155 00:08:12,660 --> 00:08:15,330 so we can track you throughout the entire country. But you're 156 00:08:15,330 --> 00:08:15,750 done. 157 00:08:16,860 --> 00:08:18,720 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, it's pretty pretty fast. No 158 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:19,710 interview. No, 159 00:08:19,740 --> 00:08:22,560 Adam Curry: no, no, nothing. Get your bag and walk through the 160 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,540 green. The green alley perfect. 161 00:08:24,660 --> 00:08:26,490 John C. Dvorak: So we take a cab to the chips. Yeah. 162 00:08:26,940 --> 00:08:29,190 Adam Curry: So back to the tip. So we're at the airport to the 163 00:08:29,190 --> 00:08:33,900 hotel. And the hotel of course. Yeah, well obviously check in is 164 00:08:33,930 --> 00:08:37,260 a check out. Is it noon check in is it too? It's nine o'clock and 165 00:08:37,260 --> 00:08:41,100 we're here to Hi. Yeah. And keeper doesn't have well, this 166 00:08:41,100 --> 00:08:44,610 is our honeymoon. Oh, this is great. Yep, we'll have some 167 00:08:44,610 --> 00:08:48,780 champagne here for you. While we're working on your room, 168 00:08:48,780 --> 00:08:52,410 yeah, this typically takes a lot longer. But we're going to work 169 00:08:52,410 --> 00:08:56,070 on it for you. And so we went out into Hyde Park and it was 170 00:08:56,340 --> 00:08:59,220 there was this window of two hours of really beautiful 171 00:08:59,250 --> 00:09:05,640 weather. So we know we saw the Albert Memorial the Italian 172 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,240 gardens came back around 1130 Our room was already done. Yes, 173 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,970 we know you're You're newlyweds Your room is done. And this is 174 00:09:11,970 --> 00:09:14,490 an almost three hours before they would have to have it done. 175 00:09:15,180 --> 00:09:18,540 We have our free champagne. Yeah. You know they do the the 176 00:09:18,540 --> 00:09:23,670 nice love Swan origami with the towels on the bed. Have you ever 177 00:09:23,670 --> 00:09:24,390 seen this? 178 00:09:24,900 --> 00:09:26,310 John C. Dvorak: No. I can imagine. 179 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:32,430 Adam Curry: And it just works. I mean, we're gonna I'm gonna do 180 00:09:32,430 --> 00:09:34,950 it every single time. You can't go to the same places probably. 181 00:09:34,950 --> 00:09:36,120 But this is this 182 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,790 John C. Dvorak: is a good thing. Wait a minute, but you guys here 183 00:09:38,790 --> 00:09:39,480 last year. 184 00:09:39,990 --> 00:09:42,930 Adam Curry: never never never been here. So this is yeah, this 185 00:09:42,930 --> 00:09:47,670 is a great travel tip. TSA in the US did something new to me 186 00:09:47,670 --> 00:09:50,790 though. This was as you know, whenever I travel with Tina 187 00:09:50,820 --> 00:09:52,950 John C. Dvorak: Jomo is your honeymoon. No. 188 00:09:54,930 --> 00:09:58,620 Adam Curry: Maybe Maybe that's what happened. So of course 189 00:09:58,620 --> 00:10:01,200 whenever I travel with Tina, we Let's get pre check even though 190 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,200 she's never registered etc. So I mean I've I travel alone even 191 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,930 though I'm registered have a number I don't. So we go 192 00:10:06,930 --> 00:10:10,770 through. So this pre check, you just throw your your bags on I 193 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,050 have to take laptops out, I've got the I've got the whole 194 00:10:13,050 --> 00:10:19,980 studio everything as usual. I take my Nokia my literal cell 195 00:10:19,980 --> 00:10:22,800 phone, throw it in my jacket, the jacket goes through and you 196 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:24,810 go through the magnetometer because you don't go through the 197 00:10:24,810 --> 00:10:30,240 body scanner. And the guy says, Let me see your Let me see your 198 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,080 phone. And I think he's like, I'm like, this is a joke or 199 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,680 something. I can't go through the I didn't take it to the I 200 00:10:37,680 --> 00:10:40,140 don't have my phone. He says I saw you put it in your bag. I 201 00:10:40,140 --> 00:10:46,590 said. Put it I was confused. I thought he was joking. Okay. So 202 00:10:46,590 --> 00:10:50,940 I get my the Nokia and I hand it to him. And he looks at it kind 203 00:10:50,940 --> 00:10:53,520 of weird. And then he swabs it and they were doing this for 204 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:57,210 every other passenger. This is new. I've never had the cell 205 00:10:57,210 --> 00:10:58,230 phone swab. 206 00:11:01,950 --> 00:11:05,040 John C. Dvorak: Hmm, there must be an alert out or something. 207 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,650 Well, someone with a cell phone bomb? Well, I 208 00:11:07,860 --> 00:11:11,340 Adam Curry: it makes a lot of sense. If you want I mean, if 209 00:11:11,340 --> 00:11:14,220 you want to know if someone has been in contact with any type of 210 00:11:14,220 --> 00:11:17,760 explosives, the best way is to get something like their cell 211 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,880 phone, which you'd be handling. You'd have it up to your face. 212 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:21,060 And 213 00:11:21,060 --> 00:11:22,590 John C. Dvorak: that's where maybe that's it. Yeah, 214 00:11:22,590 --> 00:11:28,710 secondary. Yeah, cuz you. Yeah. That's pretty smart. Yeah. 215 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:33,870 Adam Curry: Yeah. Anyway, so that's what that was. Let me 216 00:11:33,870 --> 00:11:36,090 see, do we have anything? Well, then, you know, obviously, then 217 00:11:36,090 --> 00:11:38,040 we have the nice, I've 218 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,890 John C. Dvorak: talked to the seller, this swappers the number 219 00:11:40,890 --> 00:11:43,020 of times about what they're looking for. And they got all 220 00:11:43,020 --> 00:11:47,490 these new tests and they check things out. And I forgot what I 221 00:11:47,490 --> 00:11:49,920 got something checked recently. That was didn't make a lot of 222 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:54,660 sense to me. Oh, yeah, I brought it. Oh, yeah. It's coming back 223 00:11:54,660 --> 00:11:58,110 from Austin from your wedding. Yeah. And I brought a bunch of 224 00:11:58,110 --> 00:12:01,830 seasonings. And they were all they had to check. They've 225 00:12:01,830 --> 00:12:06,780 swapped the crap out of my barbecue seasonings. So that 226 00:12:06,780 --> 00:12:09,870 makes some sense. Slightly explosive. Anyway. 227 00:12:10,319 --> 00:12:13,259 Adam Curry: Yes. Out the out the other end, but explosive, 228 00:12:13,259 --> 00:12:26,429 nonetheless. A Oh, no. That's right. The No. Agenda meetup. 229 00:12:26,849 --> 00:12:29,279 Just a few words about our meetup at the Victoria. And 230 00:12:29,279 --> 00:12:34,079 we'll be thanking people later on. Who gave on the spot 231 00:12:34,439 --> 00:12:39,719 donations. I was very surprised. I didn't really know what to 232 00:12:39,719 --> 00:12:44,669 expect. The whole thing was organized by the Earl of 233 00:12:44,669 --> 00:12:49,109 Tennessee, Sir Patrick Coble, who flew in from Berlin where he 234 00:12:49,109 --> 00:12:53,939 was doing some penetration testing. Yeah, actually, I think 235 00:12:53,939 --> 00:12:56,519 he was doing a speech. He does speeches about penetration 236 00:12:56,519 --> 00:13:02,219 testing, too. Yeah. He's got good stories. Yes. And it and 237 00:13:02,219 --> 00:13:05,669 just a big thanks to him. And it's so interesting that, you 238 00:13:05,669 --> 00:13:09,989 know, our URL from Tennessee is put this together. And they were 239 00:13:10,019 --> 00:13:13,199 when we walked in just we were supposed to be from six to 930. 240 00:13:13,199 --> 00:13:17,129 We're more or less on time. Probably about five, five guys 241 00:13:17,129 --> 00:13:20,549 there, including Sir Patrick, like, Oh, this is kind of cool. 242 00:13:20,549 --> 00:13:23,729 You know, and just, we're chatting then, John, before you 243 00:13:23,729 --> 00:13:29,129 know it. We had 50 people there. It got really, it was fun. We 244 00:13:29,130 --> 00:13:30,660 John C. Dvorak: would just you do a head count. And you came up 245 00:13:30,660 --> 00:13:30,810 with 246 00:13:30,810 --> 00:13:34,560 Adam Curry: 50. That's a I didn't do. I was unable to do an 247 00:13:34,560 --> 00:13:38,310 exact headcount. The picture at the end of the evening, which 248 00:13:38,310 --> 00:13:42,960 never includes everybody was over 40. So I think we're at 249 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:47,880 least 50 Maybe a little bit more. And this was, in my 250 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:53,550 experience, the most diverse group of people we've ever had. 251 00:13:53,850 --> 00:13:57,300 I mean, white, black, brown, gay, straight, old young, 252 00:13:57,330 --> 00:14:00,960 Tourette's, autism, Asperger conservative liberal, and 253 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:07,320 everything was represented as much. I mean, as like, wow, this 254 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:12,900 is like United Colors of Benetton. A lot of dudes named 255 00:14:12,900 --> 00:14:16,950 Ben but also, there was quite a number of women there. Of 256 00:14:16,950 --> 00:14:21,810 course, Dame Isabel, who is our first female listener, and as 257 00:14:21,810 --> 00:14:23,970 she would I mean, there's a lot of people who have been 258 00:14:23,970 --> 00:14:30,240 listening since episode one. And universally this is what we 259 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:35,670 heard from everybody. I love this meetup. I love meetups with 260 00:14:35,670 --> 00:14:41,580 no agenda people because I can speak frankly without having to 261 00:14:41,580 --> 00:14:47,490 be worried about overstepping triggering saying the wrong 262 00:14:47,490 --> 00:14:49,260 thing. And but 263 00:14:49,380 --> 00:14:51,600 John C. Dvorak: somebody with a stick up their ass 264 00:14:51,630 --> 00:14:54,510 Adam Curry: but it's it's like I here's here's what I heard from 265 00:14:54,540 --> 00:15:00,600 almost everybody. I can't say what I think at my work. I can't 266 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,830 say what I think around my friends I can't say what I think 267 00:15:04,860 --> 00:15:10,050 or my opinion at school with my family. And people felt an 268 00:15:10,050 --> 00:15:15,030 incredible sense of community and by no means were these all 269 00:15:15,030 --> 00:15:20,010 que que que Nazi Quadroon alt right nutjobs this is just, we 270 00:15:20,010 --> 00:15:25,350 had multiple people who work at the BBC. My favorite has to be 271 00:15:25,350 --> 00:15:30,480 the gay magistrate from Manchester, who by the way 272 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:36,300 worked for Gove, Michael Gove. And I'd said straight up, I 273 00:15:36,300 --> 00:15:40,170 says, Did he ruin the education system in the UK? And said, Nah, 274 00:15:40,170 --> 00:15:45,990 no. Did you have to go and get his coke? No, no, no. So just a 275 00:15:45,990 --> 00:15:50,730 lot of a lot of good information. And, and there was 276 00:15:51,810 --> 00:15:54,870 just certain point, when we're still we're taking selfies and 277 00:15:54,990 --> 00:15:57,660 you know, we're deaf. We're rowdy, and we're taking over 278 00:15:57,660 --> 00:16:01,020 this place, and it's packed, and it's drizzling outside. So it 279 00:16:01,020 --> 00:16:06,720 has this perfect London pub vibe. And I'm taking some 280 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,780 pictures with the some of our producers. And behind me, 281 00:16:09,780 --> 00:16:12,990 there's a couple sitting in kind of a booth. And they'd been 282 00:16:12,990 --> 00:16:15,720 sitting there for a while. And I felt that I knock something over 283 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,230 as I backed up and oh, my gosh, I turned around. And it's Oh, 284 00:16:19,350 --> 00:16:21,390 that knocks up and it's always there drink. But no, it's just 285 00:16:21,390 --> 00:16:24,300 the menu. And they look at me and they say, Can we ask you a 286 00:16:24,300 --> 00:16:28,380 question? I said, Yeah, so Well, we're from Florida. And we just 287 00:16:28,410 --> 00:16:31,260 got here. And we've never been to London, and we wanted to get 288 00:16:31,290 --> 00:16:38,100 a real feeling for a typical English pub. Who are you guys? 289 00:16:38,130 --> 00:16:41,310 What kind of club is this? They could not figure out what we 290 00:16:41,310 --> 00:16:44,460 were about. And I said yes. And who are you? 291 00:16:44,910 --> 00:16:49,410 John C. Dvorak: What? Yeah, this is that I can appreciate that. I 292 00:16:49,410 --> 00:16:53,040 mean, it's non standard here. You created non standard 293 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,520 situation, and they were brought into and they were baffled. 294 00:16:56,790 --> 00:16:57,510 Yeah, sure. 295 00:16:57,900 --> 00:16:59,640 Adam Curry: And of course, they were immediately hit in the 296 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:05,010 mouth. And I'm sure they're listening right now. So plenty 297 00:17:05,010 --> 00:17:09,000 of plenty of stories. And I'm sure we're talking about that in 298 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,180 shows to come and we have some donations that we'll talk about. 299 00:17:12,510 --> 00:17:16,050 I just while we're on the topic at simultaneously, we had the 300 00:17:16,050 --> 00:17:21,450 Oklahoma City meet up, which was organized by Cassidy, Eastwood, 301 00:17:22,110 --> 00:17:26,130 and I just wanted to read her report. He says it there were 302 00:17:26,130 --> 00:17:31,350 about a dozen of us ranging from 24 years old to 70 ish. Sorry, 303 00:17:31,350 --> 00:17:34,440 Jimmy, not sure if your age. We even had a night in our presence 304 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:39,240 or prize and he surprised us with magic tricks. I didn't know 305 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:44,100 we had a magician. We all fond over his night ring. People came 306 00:17:44,100 --> 00:17:46,920 from all over the state even one drove up from Dallas. The first 307 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,670 question asked to each rival was how did you happen upon no 308 00:17:50,670 --> 00:17:54,510 agenda. And the best response was given by Air Force John who 309 00:17:54,510 --> 00:17:57,300 was looking for podcasts to listen to and did a search for 310 00:17:57,300 --> 00:18:03,390 best podcast. Gee, guess what the first result was the best 311 00:18:03,390 --> 00:18:04,920 podcast in the universe, 312 00:18:05,310 --> 00:18:08,850 John C. Dvorak: which is an accurate search person using 313 00:18:08,850 --> 00:18:09,300 being 314 00:18:09,330 --> 00:18:13,650 Adam Curry: precisely he also made a point to make his first 315 00:18:13,650 --> 00:18:16,620 donation we all discuss religion, politics, education, 316 00:18:16,620 --> 00:18:19,800 and the general state of the world at large over appetizers 317 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,350 and cocktails that refuse strange looks from surrounding 318 00:18:22,350 --> 00:18:25,230 tables. I greatly enjoyed talking to people whom I knew 319 00:18:25,230 --> 00:18:28,830 were open minded. I could feel the serotonin releasing in my 320 00:18:28,830 --> 00:18:32,310 brain as I converse with this group of lovely people. But one 321 00:18:32,310 --> 00:18:36,450 attendee even said, and I quote, I love this because I know that 322 00:18:36,450 --> 00:18:40,680 no one here will judge me, even if we disagree on something. And 323 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:46,770 that is, again, this is the constant observation from 324 00:18:46,770 --> 00:18:49,710 everybody who attends a no agenda meetup. And so we 325 00:18:49,710 --> 00:18:53,100 encourage more of those no agenda meetups.com All right. 326 00:18:54,210 --> 00:18:56,910 News from London. Bo Jo has the MO Jo. 327 00:18:58,770 --> 00:19:00,060 John C. Dvorak: Bo Jo. 328 00:19:00,120 --> 00:19:03,060 Adam Curry: Bo Jo. Boris Johnson has the Mojo. 329 00:19:03,510 --> 00:19:05,850 John C. Dvorak: Oh, I have a Boris Johnson clip from the 330 00:19:05,850 --> 00:19:11,340 great Boris Johnson hater. Okay. James O'Brien let me just do a 331 00:19:11,370 --> 00:19:15,360 little background for people don't listen to LBC James 332 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:27,540 O'Brien is this Remainer he is. hates the Brits. Yeah, he's 333 00:19:27,540 --> 00:19:31,500 really easy to talk show guy who is I think he's one of the most 334 00:19:31,500 --> 00:19:35,610 skilled at making you look like an idiot if that's what he 335 00:19:35,610 --> 00:19:41,430 wants. Because he in fact, he's so good at I think people who do 336 00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:44,010 his show are making a mistake. They shouldn't do it. This just 337 00:19:44,010 --> 00:19:49,800 boycott him. And he hates everybody he hates Faraj. He 338 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,400 hates Boris Johnson. But he's got the goods on Boris Johnson 339 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,880 and and it's just minor goods it seems to me but the way he 340 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,480 presents it with his over his repetitious of approach to 341 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:06,720 slamming somebody slandering them is just a gift. And here we 342 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:07,110 go. 343 00:20:07,140 --> 00:20:10,530 Adam Curry: Forrest Johnson is a man who's been fired from jobs 344 00:20:10,530 --> 00:20:13,950 for lying about quotes, allegedly from his own 345 00:20:13,950 --> 00:20:17,400 grandfather godfather. I beg your pardon. Boris Johnson fired 346 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:21,930 from the times for making up quotes from his own Godfather, 347 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:26,520 okay, lied to party leaders lied to wives lied to mistresses went 348 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:31,050 to court to try to stop you from finding out about a little girl 349 00:20:31,050 --> 00:20:33,300 that he'd fathered out of wedlock, he actually went to 350 00:20:33,300 --> 00:20:39,810 court so that you wouldn't find out about his appalling sexual 351 00:20:39,810 --> 00:20:45,090 incontinence. And I mean it when I say because I used to go with 352 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,510 sort of conservative coffee mornings and things like that, 353 00:20:48,540 --> 00:20:51,300 where I'd go with with my mum, sometimes school was more of a 354 00:20:51,300 --> 00:20:54,150 social occasion. And I always had this sort of begrudging 355 00:20:54,150 --> 00:20:58,260 suburban respect for that type of Tory, a shire Tory, because 356 00:20:58,470 --> 00:21:00,330 although I felt they were a little bit immune to the 357 00:21:00,330 --> 00:21:03,090 suffering of others, in some cases, they did seem to 358 00:21:03,090 --> 00:21:06,360 subscribe to values, values you could loosely describe as 359 00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:09,690 Christian Christian conservatism, and that would be 360 00:21:09,900 --> 00:21:14,940 absolutely outraged by the idea of a man going to court to stop 361 00:21:14,940 --> 00:21:18,870 you finding out that he'd fathered a little girl outside 362 00:21:18,870 --> 00:21:20,100 wedlock or lying to his 363 00:21:20,129 --> 00:21:23,069 command. This isn't what Trump paid off stormy Daniels for I 364 00:21:23,069 --> 00:21:25,439 mean, where's this guy the times have changed his wives 365 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,350 and lying to his mistresses lying to his voters lying to his 366 00:21:28,350 --> 00:21:31,350 employers lying to his party leaders, lying to his 367 00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:34,770 constituents lying to his interviewers. There's a 368 00:21:34,770 --> 00:21:37,170 recording of him that I'll play later in the program of him 369 00:21:37,170 --> 00:21:41,910 colluding with a now convicted criminal to get a journalist 370 00:21:41,910 --> 00:21:45,810 beaten up. If you heard me correctly, it's on tape. Boris 371 00:21:45,810 --> 00:21:48,780 Johnson agreeing to help a former school friend from Eton 372 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,050 to get hold of the address of a journalist because the former 373 00:21:52,050 --> 00:21:57,540 school friend from Eton wanted to have him battered. So you see 374 00:21:57,540 --> 00:22:00,630 what I mean? I just mentioned any one of those 678 375 00:22:01,140 --> 00:22:04,770 transgressions. And theoretically, from where I sit, 376 00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:07,800 that should be the end of it for a conservative leadership 377 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:12,270 contender. But it's not, which I think signals the end of any 378 00:22:12,270 --> 00:22:17,130 claim to moral high ground or morality from the Conservative 379 00:22:17,130 --> 00:22:17,550 Party. 380 00:22:17,910 --> 00:22:21,930 That's really interesting, because he is the number one in 381 00:22:21,930 --> 00:22:26,760 the first round of voting by by a large margin. 382 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,700 John C. Dvorak: Let's take a look at a couple of deconstructs 383 00:22:29,700 --> 00:22:33,600 a little bit about the way Brian does this add depth, but he does 384 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,690 not want to see Boris Johnson as the buyer actually probably 385 00:22:36,690 --> 00:22:39,450 does, because it be great first show, right? Exactly a couple of 386 00:22:39,450 --> 00:22:43,020 things. Once he starts off with this horrible misquoting of his 387 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:48,360 God, Father some thing and making up quotes and he makes 388 00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:51,930 takes that to an extreme as some sort of horrible thing to do 389 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,890 maybe was a misunderstanding is a million things that could be 390 00:22:57,060 --> 00:23:00,900 that could explain it. He uses the word colluding for a reason. 391 00:23:01,650 --> 00:23:04,380 And then he says the way he actually because he says he lied 392 00:23:04,380 --> 00:23:06,630 to him and lied to him a lot. And the bottom of it goes on and 393 00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:09,660 on and on. And then he says this, which I thought was just 394 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:17,040 typical of O'Brien. You could take any of these 678 395 00:23:17,130 --> 00:23:22,170 transgressions and apply them to Trump. Well, I didn't say that. 396 00:23:22,170 --> 00:23:24,660 But he'd say you can take any of them and then you can understand 397 00:23:24,660 --> 00:23:27,120 what the sort of conservatives have lost all their credibility 398 00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:31,830 because these six, seven or eight transgressions, what, six, 399 00:23:31,830 --> 00:23:34,080 seven or eight trans aggressions, he 400 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:34,950 Adam Curry: mentioned to 401 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,080 John C. Dvorak: two citations, one misquoting his godfather and 402 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,160 having an illegitimate child that he apparently went to court 403 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,910 over. And I don't know the details behind it, but I don't 404 00:23:47,910 --> 00:23:50,820 hear six seven or eight transgressions. This is a 405 00:23:50,850 --> 00:23:54,450 horrible person. This this interview or this James O'Brien 406 00:23:54,450 --> 00:23:57,690 guy and I've listened to I'm fascinated by his skills. Now 407 00:23:57,690 --> 00:23:59,730 that he's a there's a horrible, horrible guy. 408 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,620 Adam Curry: There's 50 seconds left on the clip. Do we play 409 00:24:01,620 --> 00:24:02,520 that for? 410 00:24:04,260 --> 00:24:06,450 John C. Dvorak: If there is Yeah, played? I don't know. If 411 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,000 Adam Curry: you listen to this program on a regular basis, it 412 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,380 became inevitable when they introduced base liars to the 413 00:24:13,380 --> 00:24:17,490 public life as soon as Feraud is allowed to speak unchallenged on 414 00:24:17,490 --> 00:24:20,610 diluted lies and nonsense, because every party is finished. 415 00:24:20,790 --> 00:24:24,450 So when they chose to invite him onto their bus to get Brexit 416 00:24:24,450 --> 00:24:27,990 over the line, that was the death knell for any claims in 417 00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:32,190 the Tory party to integrity, or probity for the very simple 418 00:24:32,190 --> 00:24:36,660 reason that if one liar goes unchallenged, lies move into the 419 00:24:36,660 --> 00:24:39,600 mainstream, which is how you have a man who conspired to have 420 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,270 a journalist beaten up who went to court to stop you finding out 421 00:24:42,270 --> 00:24:45,600 about his daughter born out of wedlock, who's lied to both of 422 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,210 his wives, all of his mistresses every constituent, every 423 00:24:48,210 --> 00:24:50,460 employer, every party leader, every colleague, every 424 00:24:50,460 --> 00:24:53,010 interviewer, every journalist he's ever encountered, he's not 425 00:24:53,010 --> 00:24:58,020 just lied to them. He's actively agitated to deceive them 426 00:24:58,050 --> 00:25:01,230 now. It's an outrage. I tell you It's just scandalous, 427 00:25:01,230 --> 00:25:02,340 scandalous. I 428 00:25:02,340 --> 00:25:04,230 John C. Dvorak: guess he came up with three because he had this 429 00:25:04,290 --> 00:25:08,760 thing a couple more, which I like to look into. But it's 430 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:14,070 besides the point is this. So Johnson is being attacked by the 431 00:25:14,100 --> 00:25:18,180 left. And this guy is representative of that. And I 432 00:25:18,180 --> 00:25:21,360 still wonder whether, you know, he, he had his shot, he could 433 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:25,080 have been the prime minister. A lot of people believe before 434 00:25:26,100 --> 00:25:31,050 Theresa May stepped in front of the line and took the job. But I 435 00:25:31,050 --> 00:25:36,030 don't know. I don't know if Johnson. I don't know. I have no 436 00:25:36,030 --> 00:25:38,490 idea was people think they're doing well. He's a good guy 437 00:25:38,490 --> 00:25:39,810 should be a prime minister. 438 00:25:40,679 --> 00:25:44,549 Adam Curry: Well, as I said, the main the Evening Standard, which 439 00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:50,609 is edited by George, who's the guy George Osborne. Remember 440 00:25:50,609 --> 00:25:56,339 George Osborne? Yeah. He was the what was he was the chancellor. 441 00:25:57,120 --> 00:25:58,350 John C. Dvorak: I don't remember what he did. 442 00:25:58,770 --> 00:26:01,140 Adam Curry: So he edits the Evening Standard. And that was 443 00:26:01,140 --> 00:26:07,650 the headline when we arrived was Bo Joe's got the Mojo. So and 444 00:26:07,770 --> 00:26:10,770 looking at the first round of voting, I'm not quite sure how 445 00:26:10,770 --> 00:26:13,860 the whole system works, how many rounds there are, but he had I 446 00:26:13,860 --> 00:26:20,550 think 114 And it was was it was the Jeremy guy hunt? 447 00:26:21,660 --> 00:26:22,500 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, yeah, I 448 00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:26,070 Adam Curry: think he was number two, me hunt. Yeah, with with 42 449 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,370 votes, or whatever it is. So I was prepping the show. So I 450 00:26:29,370 --> 00:26:33,900 couldn't follow all of it. But it'll be interesting to see 451 00:26:33,930 --> 00:26:38,730 there's is a lot going on here. People at the meetup will say 452 00:26:38,730 --> 00:26:43,350 this is we're completely effed. They've kind of given a given up 453 00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:43,710 on it. 454 00:26:46,770 --> 00:26:49,200 John C. Dvorak: Well about to getting out of the house of 455 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,140 Brexit, chit chat is they they're gonna get out or not. 456 00:26:52,170 --> 00:26:55,650 Adam Curry: And I think universally people think do over 457 00:26:55,860 --> 00:26:59,940 is in the cards. And then and then no Brexit. And I did want 458 00:26:59,940 --> 00:27:03,570 to mention, I think I sent you a link to it. The BBC had a two 459 00:27:03,570 --> 00:27:08,670 hour or two part, each part one hour documentary about which was 460 00:27:08,670 --> 00:27:13,590 filmed with permission from Ghee for hotstart. And he's the crazy 461 00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:16,740 gapped tooth guy from the European Parliament. With the 462 00:27:16,740 --> 00:27:19,080 you know, the Belgian used to be and wasn't Belgian President 463 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:23,190 Prime Minister. He was big Wigan in Belgium when they still had a 464 00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:27,840 government. And he allowed someone from a Belgian cameraman 465 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:33,540 to shoot a documentary. And this is inside his office, the car 466 00:27:33,540 --> 00:27:37,650 the train late at night, all the swear words, it actually made me 467 00:27:37,650 --> 00:27:40,650 wonder how much they didn't put in it. And he didn't really 468 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,190 disclose this to anybody who was around him at the time. And he 469 00:27:44,190 --> 00:27:47,820 was the the coordinator of the Brexit steering committee for, 470 00:27:47,940 --> 00:27:51,030 you know, these two and a half years or two years. And it's a 471 00:27:51,030 --> 00:27:54,570 fascinating look at the other side that we never really hear 472 00:27:54,570 --> 00:27:57,120 much about. Did you? Did you see this? By nature? Is 473 00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:59,970 John C. Dvorak: it naptime just see it? No. It is. I mean, you 474 00:27:59,970 --> 00:28:01,680 can watch it for sure. Now, you can't really 475 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,020 Adam Curry: pull any clips from it. But when a certain point, 476 00:28:04,020 --> 00:28:06,900 you see that and it's there in the European Parliament building 477 00:28:06,930 --> 00:28:09,570 in Brussels, and they go to Strasbourg and you kind of get a 478 00:28:09,570 --> 00:28:13,470 little idea of how that works. And there's a lot of food where 479 00:28:13,470 --> 00:28:16,710 every single shot there's always food that if they're eaten their 480 00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:19,680 drink, and they do meetings, and they drink wine at the meetings, 481 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,290 which is kind of a I think a good thing. 482 00:28:24,450 --> 00:28:26,430 John C. Dvorak: But it's it's definitely for boating in the 483 00:28:26,430 --> 00:28:27,780 United States. Yeah, well, 484 00:28:27,810 --> 00:28:29,940 Adam Curry: the link is in the show notes. It's well worth 485 00:28:29,940 --> 00:28:34,650 watching. Particularly you get like the the speech writers who 486 00:28:34,650 --> 00:28:38,460 are then you know, as as it gets very close, like Yeah, yeah, we 487 00:28:38,460 --> 00:28:41,670 screwed him. We we'd sent him back to being a colony, you 488 00:28:41,670 --> 00:28:45,480 know, they're all jacked up and God about it. It's it's a cool 489 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,690 thing. It's, it's fun to watch, because we never get that side 490 00:28:48,690 --> 00:28:53,310 of it. And certainly not to that degree. I I, again, I wonder 491 00:28:53,310 --> 00:28:57,180 what wasn't put in it. The question was for you, though. 492 00:28:58,230 --> 00:29:01,350 There was an article that The New York Times published 493 00:29:02,010 --> 00:29:09,720 headline that Google made $4.7 billion from the news industry. 494 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:15,750 And now it's time for the news industry to take it back. That 495 00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:19,320 wasn't the exact headline. Did you follow any of this? 496 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,350 John C. Dvorak: It's been debated, debated a little bit 497 00:29:22,350 --> 00:29:24,420 and most people think it's bogus. 498 00:29:24,930 --> 00:29:27,630 Adam Curry: Well, I thought it was scandalous that The New York 499 00:29:27,630 --> 00:29:31,380 Times first of all, they didn't really even disclose that this 500 00:29:31,380 --> 00:29:36,480 was a news industry lobbying group that they're a part of, 501 00:29:37,620 --> 00:29:43,920 which is the what is it news? It's the news media Alliance, 502 00:29:44,250 --> 00:29:49,680 who are lobbying for House resolution 2050 for the 503 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,670 journalism competition and Preservation Act of 2019. That 504 00:29:53,670 --> 00:29:56,130 was nowhere to be found in their article. 505 00:29:56,550 --> 00:29:59,490 John C. Dvorak: Course nice new york times they don't just date 506 00:29:59,490 --> 00:30:02,130 on legend. know what they're up to anymore. It's a horrible 507 00:30:02,130 --> 00:30:02,820 operation. Well, 508 00:30:02,820 --> 00:30:04,470 Adam Curry: I'd like to know what your lip Joe's thought of 509 00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:07,950 this, in particular, the assertion made based on a 510 00:30:07,950 --> 00:30:12,420 comment from Marissa Meyer in 2008, where she offhandedly, 511 00:30:12,540 --> 00:30:17,460 although it was, I think, an investor situation. So it can be 512 00:30:17,460 --> 00:30:22,110 taken with some degree of certainty that in 2008, Google 513 00:30:22,110 --> 00:30:28,560 News had made approximately $100 million from news. And that was, 514 00:30:28,590 --> 00:30:32,310 that was the whole quote. And they extrapolated that by adding 515 00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:35,970 10 years to it and said, that looks like 4.7 billion is what 516 00:30:35,970 --> 00:30:40,590 we're not making, and Google is stealing from us. And now they 517 00:30:40,590 --> 00:30:46,920 have this lobbying group, it is a 501 C four, and it's the 518 00:30:47,910 --> 00:30:51,030 lobbying for the passage of House resolution, the bill 519 00:30:51,030 --> 00:30:54,810 journalism, competition and Preservation Act of 2019, which 520 00:30:54,960 --> 00:31:00,090 would allow all news publishers, which by the way, you don't we 521 00:31:00,090 --> 00:31:03,330 wouldn't qualify for because you have to have professional 522 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:08,490 editors on payroll, you have to have at least a million people 523 00:31:08,490 --> 00:31:11,880 interacting with your website on a monthly basis. Otherwise, 524 00:31:11,909 --> 00:31:14,669 John C. Dvorak: okay. Yeah. If you have that many people that 525 00:31:14,669 --> 00:31:17,339 you just described, you don't need help from the government. 526 00:31:17,549 --> 00:31:20,009 This, you know, this, I know where the stamp is from? Well, 527 00:31:20,009 --> 00:31:20,099 let 528 00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:22,440 Adam Curry: me just tell you what, what the what the plan is 529 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,760 the plan is they want 48 months. So they want what does that four 530 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:35,250 years, they want four years to, to have? anti anti trust anti 531 00:31:35,250 --> 00:31:41,940 competition laws. What is the word not apply to the news 532 00:31:41,940 --> 00:31:45,360 industry, so they can collude with each other over four year 533 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,860 period to find out how they can screw Google and Facebook back. 534 00:31:49,890 --> 00:31:54,300 That's, in essence, what it is. They want to be able to work 535 00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:58,230 together as a group and figure out how to get the money back 536 00:31:58,410 --> 00:32:00,480 John C. Dvorak: is the kind of idiots that are running the 537 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:05,220 business. First of all, this stems from the Canadiens who 538 00:32:05,220 --> 00:32:08,490 decided to put a fun together as the rice papers a bunch of free 539 00:32:08,490 --> 00:32:11,850 money. That's right. So they want to say, well, you know, 540 00:32:11,850 --> 00:32:13,950 they're doing it up there, and they're getting free money, we 541 00:32:13,950 --> 00:32:17,310 should do the same thing. The second thing is is this nonsense 542 00:32:17,310 --> 00:32:20,790 about Yahoo and Bing extrapolate. Yahoo is a news 543 00:32:20,790 --> 00:32:24,420 organization and a lot of ways one whole division, they take 544 00:32:24,420 --> 00:32:28,890 the Associated Press feed, they pay for it. They're not they 545 00:32:28,890 --> 00:32:33,060 have writers that they paid pay money to the good Yahoo Sports, 546 00:32:33,330 --> 00:32:36,000 which is very competitive is probably as competitive as as 547 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,540 ESPN or as Sports Illustrated. When it comes to print. I'd like 548 00:32:39,540 --> 00:32:41,280 to know a lot about that. I'd like to hold 549 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,770 Adam Curry: you. So I'd like to interrupt your analysis. I'd 550 00:32:43,770 --> 00:32:46,980 like to interrupt your analysis because I want this to continue 551 00:32:46,980 --> 00:32:50,190 after I play these two clips, which explain a little bit more 552 00:32:50,190 --> 00:32:55,410 about how they really feel about it. So so this is a bill that's 553 00:32:55,410 --> 00:32:58,350 called the sizzling Bill Representative David Cicilline. 554 00:32:58,620 --> 00:33:04,500 Here he explains briefly, what the news media alliance is about 555 00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:05,970 with HR 2054. 556 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,910 Unknown: This is a really important issue for everyone in 557 00:33:08,910 --> 00:33:12,600 our country. Because we all recognize that our democracy is 558 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,500 strongest when we have a free and diverse press that informed 559 00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:20,460 citizens holds concentrated power accountable, and root out 560 00:33:20,460 --> 00:33:24,690 corruption. As Justice Louis Brandeis wrote in 1927, those 561 00:33:24,690 --> 00:33:27,990 who want our independence believe that public discussion 562 00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:31,620 is a political duty, that the greatest threat to freedom is an 563 00:33:31,650 --> 00:33:34,740 uninformed citizenry, and that the freedom of thought and 564 00:33:34,740 --> 00:33:38,310 speech are indispensable to the discovery and spread of 565 00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:42,090 political truth. But today, as you all know, these bedrock 566 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:46,350 constitutional values are facing existential threats excellent 567 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,850 gatekeepers of information, dominant platforms. Last year, 568 00:33:50,850 --> 00:33:54,990 Facebook and Google amassed more than $60 billion from online 569 00:33:54,990 --> 00:33:58,830 advertising, the majority of online ad revenue, and despite 570 00:33:58,830 --> 00:34:02,190 record levels of online readership, news publishers have 571 00:34:02,190 --> 00:34:05,340 seen a steep decline in revenue during the rise of these 572 00:34:05,340 --> 00:34:08,970 technology giants. The bottleneck is bleeding news 573 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,270 publishers dry and you see evidence all across this 574 00:34:12,270 --> 00:34:14,730 country. And in the absence of a competitive marketplace, 575 00:34:14,730 --> 00:34:17,580 newsrooms across the country are laying off reporters and 576 00:34:17,580 --> 00:34:21,480 editorial staff or folding altogether. This is happening to 577 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,320 legacy news companies and digital publishers alike. There 578 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,020 is no question that we've reached a tipping point. What's 579 00:34:28,020 --> 00:34:31,290 really important to remember is this is not just a marketplace 580 00:34:31,290 --> 00:34:34,920 that's not working in providing an absence of competition where 581 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,190 we're sort of losing the kind of sale of widgets. This is about 582 00:34:38,490 --> 00:34:41,670 the very foundation of our democracy, access to reliable, 583 00:34:41,850 --> 00:34:45,990 trustworthy local news. This trend continues we risk 584 00:34:46,140 --> 00:34:48,510 permanently compromising the news organizations that are 585 00:34:48,510 --> 00:34:51,660 essential to uncovering corruption, holding the 586 00:34:51,660 --> 00:34:54,150 government and powerful corporations accountable and 587 00:34:54,150 --> 00:34:55,470 sustaining our democracy. 588 00:34:55,620 --> 00:34:58,830 Adam Curry: Oh, yes, the old democracy. What is never 589 00:34:58,830 --> 00:35:04,110 mentioned it Is that they never newspapers never made money off 590 00:35:04,110 --> 00:35:09,990 of news ever. And they blew it you were I think Weren't you You 591 00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:13,980 and I both a part of the of the of the new mark conversation 592 00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:16,170 yeah that with Hearst 593 00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:20,340 John C. Dvorak: No it's with was not rehearse wasn't there it was 594 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,650 the publisher that was married to what's her name the actress. 595 00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:28,260 Adam Curry: Yeah the Sharon Stone. 596 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,870 John C. Dvorak: Yeah What's Mister Mister 597 00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:33,840 Adam Curry: Mister Mr. Stein Bronfman, Mr. 598 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,610 John C. Dvorak: Stone Bronfman bra. 599 00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:38,850 Adam Curry: Bronstein brought Bronson Brown from Bronfman 600 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:39,900 wrongfully. Oh 601 00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:42,240 John C. Dvorak: no, no Bronstein, Bronstein youth and 602 00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:45,480 Brian from your thinking that guy Risa Ron Seagrams. Yeah, 603 00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:47,760 Adam Curry: isn't that the guy didn't wasn't he also married to 604 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:48,600 Sharon Stone? 605 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:54,510 John C. Dvorak: I think no, I don't believe so. Possible. is 606 00:35:54,510 --> 00:35:56,820 in there telling the story we will tell 607 00:35:56,970 --> 00:35:59,820 Adam Curry: you right. Bronstein I'm sorry? Yes. 608 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,720 John C. Dvorak: Your team. Feel Bronstein then yeah, I'm 609 00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:05,190 Adam Curry: wrong. I'm wrong. Yes. Bronze figure 610 00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:08,880 John C. Dvorak: name. Yes. Okay, so Bronstein is in there. And he 611 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,860 tells the story says that in the early days of the net, drum 612 00:36:13,860 --> 00:36:19,260 Colton net. Craig Newmark comes in the guy who does Craigslist. 613 00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:23,580 And it was it was in the 90s. And it was, you know, making 614 00:36:23,580 --> 00:36:26,730 money off of classifieds. It was making money off the classifieds 615 00:36:26,730 --> 00:36:29,130 locally, he was doing these freak and they were free 616 00:36:29,130 --> 00:36:32,040 classifieds. And his whole theory was to just give away the 617 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:37,350 cloud because a computer or, you know, it's text, you know, you 618 00:36:37,350 --> 00:36:41,310 didn't take a lot to, to store it and send it around is not a 619 00:36:41,310 --> 00:36:45,630 lot of overhead in terms of resources of the internet 620 00:36:45,630 --> 00:36:49,770 resources. And so his idea was to give free classifieds to 621 00:36:49,770 --> 00:36:53,550 everybody and then let people pay for job listings and things 622 00:36:53,550 --> 00:36:56,160 that are a little more, you know, that can actually bring in 623 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,610 some cash they he started to reverse the whole model of 624 00:36:59,790 --> 00:37:07,950 classifieds work. So he goes in there and talks to Bronstein, I 625 00:37:07,950 --> 00:37:10,920 guess who else was at the meeting, but he says he comes in 626 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,080 and offers them the whole Craigslist model 627 00:37:13,110 --> 00:37:15,030 Adam Curry: here for like $2 million, or something some 628 00:37:15,060 --> 00:37:17,220 ridiculously low amount of figure but 629 00:37:17,220 --> 00:37:19,800 John C. Dvorak: if he said it figure wasn't much, but he said, 630 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,250 but he offered him the model. And they said, we know how to do 631 00:37:23,250 --> 00:37:26,910 classifieds. We don't need your help your dumb shit. Get out of 632 00:37:26,910 --> 00:37:30,210 here. Yeah, so they kicked him out pretty much. I'm sure they 633 00:37:30,210 --> 00:37:32,490 didn't say that. But it's something like that. And this, 634 00:37:32,490 --> 00:37:36,930 I've seen this happen in other situations. And I also saw it 635 00:37:36,930 --> 00:37:39,870 happen with classifieds. When I was a fly on the wall at the 636 00:37:39,870 --> 00:37:43,740 Media Lab in Massachusetts, where they were Hearst 637 00:37:43,740 --> 00:37:48,480 Corporation was meeting with the Media Lab people to discuss 638 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,480 something not true, actually what it was anymore. But 639 00:37:51,540 --> 00:37:54,150 something like that was brought up in that meeting, too. And 640 00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:56,190 that was the same kind of response. You know, we know what 641 00:37:56,190 --> 00:37:56,970 we're doing. I 642 00:37:56,970 --> 00:37:59,640 Adam Curry: had the same when I pitched me before we were 643 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,540 thinking new ideas as onramp we pitch to Tribune Company in 644 00:38:03,540 --> 00:38:06,360 Chicago. You know that beautiful building they have there with 645 00:38:06,420 --> 00:38:09,000 the radio station was still down the bottom of this still there. 646 00:38:10,110 --> 00:38:15,090 And we got laughed out of the building. We have story server 647 00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:20,640 was not the thing. Story server. What was it? Gosh, what was that 648 00:38:20,670 --> 00:38:24,540 that content management system? vignette vignettes, yes, 649 00:38:24,540 --> 00:38:27,960 vignette story server, like you got and you need classifies we 650 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,570 got an idea for that. That's how you been making on and now this 651 00:38:30,570 --> 00:38:32,670 is a new world. We know how to make money off of news. Well, 652 00:38:32,670 --> 00:38:36,570 that never made money off of news. It's just that it was 653 00:38:36,570 --> 00:38:39,900 always the classifieds. That was the main thing. classifieds went 654 00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:42,930 away. That's when the problem started. But oh, no. Now all of 655 00:38:42,930 --> 00:38:43,290 a sudden, 656 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,160 John C. Dvorak: I disagree with that. And I think that's a myth. 657 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,830 I think this comes up a lot. I think it came up in these clips 658 00:38:49,830 --> 00:38:55,020 that you have. The problem started with television. And it 659 00:38:55,020 --> 00:38:58,650 started a long time ago. And you can look at the curves, the 660 00:38:58,650 --> 00:39:00,690 growth curves and everything else with the newspaper 661 00:39:00,690 --> 00:39:03,750 business. They don't like to talk about it. But that's where 662 00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:06,900 it started television came in with the hourly report, the 663 00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:12,570 nightly news and all the Cronkite to do Huntley and 664 00:39:12,570 --> 00:39:16,290 Brinkley and those guys came in and they just started taking the 665 00:39:16,590 --> 00:39:19,110 taking the impetus away from the newspapers who really had to 666 00:39:19,110 --> 00:39:21,750 compete with the television guys who were stealing a lot from it. 667 00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:24,750 Those are the guys that were stealing from television. If you 668 00:39:24,780 --> 00:39:26,760 are I'm sorry, they were stealing from newspapers. If you 669 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,360 worked at a radio station in the 50s or 60s, everyone will say 670 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,820 the same thing. We'd get the newspaper, we clipped the 671 00:39:33,390 --> 00:39:36,420 articles that were interesting, and we run them as news. Right. 672 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,840 Okay. And where was the lawsuits? Where was the big 673 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,990 steak now they got ripped off left and right during that they 674 00:39:42,990 --> 00:39:46,350 got they started shrinking and shrinking to the point where and 675 00:39:46,350 --> 00:39:49,710 it was all it was pre internet is when they had something 676 00:39:49,710 --> 00:39:52,530 called a joint operating agreement which all the 677 00:39:52,530 --> 00:39:55,710 newspapers jumped in on when they gave this this the last 678 00:39:55,710 --> 00:39:58,320 time that they soak the government. So they said let's 679 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,870 take a joint office make these joint out Breathing agreements 680 00:40:00,870 --> 00:40:03,990 because especially because the television, the evening, 681 00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:06,840 newspapers are all dying, because the evening newspaper 682 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:12,090 was the one that you'd read. But once the evening news came on, 683 00:40:12,090 --> 00:40:15,120 nobody was reading the evening newspapers. So they had to dream 684 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,850 up this joint operating agreement locally, it was the 685 00:40:17,850 --> 00:40:21,630 San Francisco Examiner, and the San Francisco Chronicle. And it 686 00:40:21,630 --> 00:40:24,840 was in Chicago and Detroit, every place around the country 687 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,500 did this. They joined forces because they needed to, and they 688 00:40:28,500 --> 00:40:31,950 kind of, you know, started emphasizing the morning paper 689 00:40:31,950 --> 00:40:35,820 more they shared resources and shared profits. And that was the 690 00:40:35,820 --> 00:40:38,640 first idea that was the first collusion that they needed to 691 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,240 do. They were never competitive with, they never could figure 692 00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:44,940 out how to do this, right. And they've been failing and failing 693 00:40:44,940 --> 00:40:47,580 and failing and continued to fail. And when the internet came 694 00:40:47,580 --> 00:40:50,940 along and took the classifieds away, that just was the icing on 695 00:40:50,940 --> 00:40:53,550 the cake for the just the demise of the whole operation, because 696 00:40:53,550 --> 00:40:56,160 they couldn't figure out what they're, they're incompetent. 697 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,740 Adam Curry: There's something that they do in the United 698 00:40:58,740 --> 00:41:02,820 Kingdom on television late night. So which would typically 699 00:41:02,820 --> 00:41:05,940 be our our news time slot, maybe 10 are 700 00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:08,640 John C. Dvorak: gone with this. And I think I know whether you 701 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,680 like it, I agree. This is great. I love 702 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,310 Adam Curry: this. They sit down with two people, it's in these 703 00:41:14,310 --> 00:41:17,100 guests, they they vary. Sometimes it's an editor of a 704 00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:19,920 newspaper, it's politicians can be someone from show business. 705 00:41:20,190 --> 00:41:23,520 And they go through all the papers that will be published in 706 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,730 the morning, then they show the, you know, the headlines, and 707 00:41:26,730 --> 00:41:29,430 they have an analysis, and they talk about what's in the paper. 708 00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:31,920 I think that's it. I've always thought that was fantastic. It's 709 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,310 very engaging to watch. And of course, you don't have to buy 710 00:41:35,310 --> 00:41:36,600 the damn paper the next day. 711 00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:40,650 John C. Dvorak: Well, if it's done right, and I think the 712 00:41:40,650 --> 00:41:44,670 Brits do it, right. I know that most people in the United States 713 00:41:44,670 --> 00:41:50,340 can get these reports if you get Sky News on Pluto. Yeah, yeah, 714 00:41:50,340 --> 00:41:51,240 that's exactly 715 00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:53,760 Adam Curry: Sky News does it very well. And they've been 716 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,730 doing that for gosh, but BBC does it too, don't they don't 717 00:41:56,730 --> 00:41:59,250 they have a version of it on BBC or sky? 718 00:41:59,340 --> 00:42:01,710 John C. Dvorak: They probably do. But Sky News was the one 719 00:42:01,710 --> 00:42:04,050 that impresses me the most. And you have to remember Sky News 720 00:42:04,050 --> 00:42:07,830 was once part of the Murdoch empire. So they're not killing 721 00:42:07,830 --> 00:42:10,290 themselves when they're getting Murdoch's was the newspaper guy 722 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,930 date with this was a form of promotion for the papers, 723 00:42:12,930 --> 00:42:15,360 because they go on about something that might interest 724 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,110 you. And then the British, and I think you might pick up the 725 00:42:19,110 --> 00:42:23,190 paper would make even British newspaper businesses a lot 726 00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:24,060 different than ours. 727 00:42:24,090 --> 00:42:27,570 Adam Curry: What makes it even more interesting is that News 728 00:42:27,570 --> 00:42:32,190 Corp is heavily represented in this news media Alliance. And 729 00:42:32,250 --> 00:42:35,460 the only other clip I have is the short run from Tony bush. 730 00:42:36,180 --> 00:42:42,660 She is the mother she she's the government affairs executive at 731 00:42:42,660 --> 00:42:43,680 News Corp. 732 00:42:43,710 --> 00:42:47,760 Unknown: What I think has been missing in the discussion up 733 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,360 until recently, is the fact that Google and Facebook are in the 734 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:56,400 advertising business. Google made $135 billion last year off 735 00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:01,680 of advertising, Facebook made $56 billion of of advertising, 736 00:43:02,460 --> 00:43:07,830 the entire digital advertising market is around 237 billion. So 737 00:43:07,830 --> 00:43:12,690 they've taken 195 billion out of it, which leaves around 30 738 00:43:12,690 --> 00:43:16,080 billion for everybody else, including the newspaper 739 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,590 industry. And that is really the crux of the problem that we're 740 00:43:19,590 --> 00:43:24,330 facing, which is the system is broken, the trust of us have not 741 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:31,110 been enforced during the evolution of the tech platforms, 742 00:43:31,110 --> 00:43:36,810 and we need to both investigate that. But in the interim, we 743 00:43:36,810 --> 00:43:39,390 need a solution and aslani bet was really that 744 00:43:39,390 --> 00:43:42,450 Adam Curry: solution. Okay, so we can collude with each other 745 00:43:42,900 --> 00:43:45,990 for two for four years, and come up with a way to screw them 746 00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:46,530 back. 747 00:43:47,790 --> 00:43:49,860 John C. Dvorak: Not gonna happen. No, these guys, there's 748 00:43:49,860 --> 00:43:55,500 the DOMs versus the smarts. This nonsense that Google is, you 749 00:43:55,500 --> 00:43:58,530 know, you go to Google to go to google.news.com. And you can see 750 00:43:58,530 --> 00:44:01,920 what good there's not even an ad on that entire page. Shimi 751 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,270 Adam Curry: news.google.com. 752 00:44:03,570 --> 00:44:06,390 John C. Dvorak: Do what I say google.news.com. 753 00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:09,720 Adam Curry: Let me see. Let me see what that is. Let's see if 754 00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:13,230 that is anything. Oh, go straight to cnet.com. That's 755 00:44:13,230 --> 00:44:13,620 funny. 756 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,410 John C. Dvorak: Yeah. news.com is owned by CNET. Yes, he bought 757 00:44:16,410 --> 00:44:18,180 it right away. Anyway, the 758 00:44:19,140 --> 00:44:21,240 Adam Curry: no, they don't run that though. They actually do 759 00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:24,420 not run advertising on the news. That's something that Google is 760 00:44:24,420 --> 00:44:27,090 very vocal about, oh, we don't run ads on that. 761 00:44:27,780 --> 00:44:31,290 John C. Dvorak: No, they make their money on search. Well, if 762 00:44:31,290 --> 00:44:34,230 you're searching for some news story, in your viewer on the 763 00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:36,810 page, you're gonna get some ads. And it's got nothing to do. It's 764 00:44:36,810 --> 00:44:38,970 not taking revenue. These guys are shooting themselves in the 765 00:44:38,970 --> 00:44:41,400 foot. It's the same thing that happened in Belgium, I think, or 766 00:44:41,820 --> 00:44:44,820 one European country member. This was about 10 years ago. 767 00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:50,250 They were all upset, oh, Google indexing and the index are paper 768 00:44:50,250 --> 00:44:52,410 and they're done. They're making people linked to us, then 769 00:44:52,410 --> 00:44:55,740 they're people are coming from these links. So we don't like 770 00:44:55,740 --> 00:44:57,750 that because we don't have control of it. So we don't want 771 00:44:57,750 --> 00:45:00,450 Google linking to us anymore. So they stopped linking to them. 772 00:45:00,450 --> 00:45:03,600 And they went out of business. Because something I did not 773 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,740 clear what the Google link dummy something I, I didn't clip but 774 00:45:07,740 --> 00:45:10,440 there was a part of the part of what they were talking about 775 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:15,180 this news Alliance panel was, well, you know, when you click 776 00:45:15,180 --> 00:45:18,450 on the story, Google gets all the information. But what are 777 00:45:18,450 --> 00:45:19,800 you in newspapers? Are 778 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,450 Adam Curry: you in the news business? Are you in the 779 00:45:21,630 --> 00:45:24,030 information about people business, you can turn it around 780 00:45:24,030 --> 00:45:27,330 and do something with that. And they all fell for the whole amp 781 00:45:27,330 --> 00:45:31,260 thing? You remember that? And, yeah, you gotta get Google amp 782 00:45:31,260 --> 00:45:34,560 because then it loads faster. And it's fantastic. And Google 783 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,160 amp means that everything you do runs through Google, you dipshit 784 00:45:38,670 --> 00:45:41,550 guy. Yeah, we're all on Google amp. And they did the same thing 785 00:45:41,550 --> 00:45:44,040 when Facebook was like, Yeah, we're all about news. Remember 786 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:49,380 this Google amp? Yeah, I think it's still used. Case. Yeah, it 787 00:45:49,380 --> 00:45:52,560 was M amplify or something. And everyone's Oh, yeah. Because it 788 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,160 pre loads and it's compressed on both sides. And thank you, 789 00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,160 Google. And Facebook. You recall, Facebook's that we're 790 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,130 changing the algo for news, everyone. Oh, yeah. Great. And 791 00:46:02,130 --> 00:46:06,300 they change it back to friends and family like Boo Boo. Hey, 792 00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:09,930 yes. Accelerated Mobile Pages. That's what amp stood for. Thank 793 00:46:09,930 --> 00:46:14,130 you troll room. was just some for phones. Yeah, it was from 794 00:46:14,130 --> 00:46:17,400 mobile for mobile to make everything okay. Pay attention. 795 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,790 Well, I looked at the most recent Mary Meeker into the 796 00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:24,210 state of the Internet Report, which is 333 pages long 797 00:46:24,270 --> 00:46:26,910 John C. Dvorak: this year. I'm glad she's doing some weather 798 00:46:26,910 --> 00:46:27,300 time, 799 00:46:27,330 --> 00:46:32,040 Adam Curry: everything is stagnated. Revenue is not really 800 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,760 dropped here. And they're stagnant, stagnant, stagnant, 801 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:40,590 everything is kind of plateauing. But mobile is now 802 00:46:40,620 --> 00:46:46,290 double desktop. It's, it's just surpassed everything, which I'm 803 00:46:46,290 --> 00:46:50,190 sure that a lot of people are happy about, because we want 804 00:46:50,430 --> 00:46:54,330 these spy devices to be on your person at all time. So we know 805 00:46:54,330 --> 00:46:56,820 exactly what you're doing. That's the real, that's the real 806 00:46:56,820 --> 00:46:59,880 juice they got. Not the news. 807 00:47:00,210 --> 00:47:02,250 John C. Dvorak: Well, this has been predicted, of course, for 808 00:47:02,250 --> 00:47:06,840 years, that mobile would take over most of the action on the 809 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,600 internet, and Okay, 810 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:16,140 Adam Curry: so right along with this. Yeah, I think we should do 811 00:47:16,140 --> 00:47:20,760 a quick little call back to the ad pocalypse deconstruction that 812 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,980 we did on the last episode, which I think most people 813 00:47:22,980 --> 00:47:28,890 appreciated. And I think, at least the feedback I've been 814 00:47:28,890 --> 00:47:32,580 getting is hmm, I really didn't look at it in just a pure 815 00:47:32,580 --> 00:47:35,670 commercial sense that these guys are in competition for the 816 00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:38,670 advertising dollars, which is what you literally just heard 817 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,840 from the entire news business is like $1, an advertising award 818 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,430 advertising and that's not fair. 819 00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:49,980 John C. Dvorak: Because he's the CEO timecode. for that. That's a 820 00:47:49,980 --> 00:47:50,640 new voice. 821 00:47:50,670 --> 00:47:52,950 Adam Curry: It is a new voice. I have to I have to work on him. 822 00:47:55,050 --> 00:48:00,510 Susan Wojcicki, who is the CEO of YouTube, in what I believe is 823 00:48:00,540 --> 00:48:06,960 a crisis move showed up on recode for a 45 minute 824 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:12,720 interview, which is on YouTube, and recode, is owned by Vox. 825 00:48:12,780 --> 00:48:18,810 There are a lot of Vox journos there. And even the guy who was 826 00:48:18,810 --> 00:48:21,840 doing the interview, I think he's not if he's just a recode 827 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:27,690 guy, or if he's higher up in Vox, and talking about this ad 828 00:48:27,690 --> 00:48:31,110 pocalypse, and I had to pull a couple of clips because it's so 829 00:48:31,110 --> 00:48:34,500 beautiful, the things that are being said here. But the first 830 00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:39,930 thing which I think that we talked about this that kind of 831 00:48:39,930 --> 00:48:44,820 got snowed under is the whole, you know, controversy over 832 00:48:44,820 --> 00:48:52,110 Crowder and Carlos Maza was about LGBTQ, and it was taking 833 00:48:52,110 --> 00:48:57,540 place during pride month. And it's unbelievable. during pride 834 00:48:57,540 --> 00:49:01,830 month, someone said something horrible about a gay man on 835 00:49:01,830 --> 00:49:07,710 YouTube. And this is the first thing out of her mouth. Oh, if I 836 00:49:07,710 --> 00:49:11,220 hadn't, I love those setups. Here we go. The first thing out 837 00:49:11,220 --> 00:49:11,850 of her mouth. 838 00:49:11,970 --> 00:49:13,680 Unknown: A lot of things happened last week. And it's 839 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:18,090 great to be here and talk about what happened. But I do want to 840 00:49:18,090 --> 00:49:23,370 start because I know that the decision that we made was very 841 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:28,440 hurtful to the LGBTQ community and that was not our intention 842 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:29,400 at all and and 843 00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:31,860 to to set context frame was not following this what decision 844 00:49:31,860 --> 00:49:33,420 this was. Yeah, so let me 845 00:49:33,450 --> 00:49:36,990 let me I'll go into that. But I thought it was really important 846 00:49:36,990 --> 00:49:40,020 to be upfront about that. And to say that was not our intention, 847 00:49:40,020 --> 00:49:43,770 and we're really sorry about that. And but I do want to 848 00:49:43,770 --> 00:49:47,880 explain why we made the decision that we did, as well as give 849 00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:50,700 information about the other lines. Are you just 850 00:49:50,700 --> 00:49:52,740 Adam Curry: heckling the clip or her or what are you doing? 851 00:49:52,919 --> 00:49:57,149 John C. Dvorak: I'm just this is this condescending Valley Girl 852 00:49:57,149 --> 00:50:03,329 Up talk. Board her line vocal fry voice or hers is enough to 853 00:50:03,329 --> 00:50:04,709 drive anyone crazy. She's 854 00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:07,770 Adam Curry: in her mid 40s. And this must be a million things 855 00:50:07,770 --> 00:50:12,000 she just celebrated 20 year lease total? Yes, she's 20 years 856 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,990 ago, 20 years at Google, she just celebrated two decades. So 857 00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:18,330 it's Millia. And that's how we talk I'm going 858 00:50:18,330 --> 00:50:20,910 Unknown: on. So really, there were two different things that 859 00:50:20,910 --> 00:50:25,470 happened at the same time. And the first one I'll talk with is 860 00:50:25,470 --> 00:50:28,290 we made a really significant change involving hate speech, 861 00:50:28,830 --> 00:50:29,550 that this is 862 00:50:31,710 --> 00:50:34,770 John C. Dvorak: the first one that I will, I'll talk with, 863 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:35,070 yeah, I 864 00:50:35,070 --> 00:50:38,130 Adam Curry: know, Jesus does a lot of this stuff. I'll play it 865 00:50:38,130 --> 00:50:38,310 again. 866 00:50:39,060 --> 00:50:42,660 John C. Dvorak: Google talks and Google Talk. I mean, Google. 867 00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:48,330 Adam Curry: Most a Googler. She said, hyphenated Google Talk, or 868 00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:56,460 is it one word? I think Google, let's see, Google. Google Doc, 869 00:50:56,609 --> 00:50:59,939 Unknown: different things that happened at the same time. And 870 00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,579 the first one I'll talk with is we made a really, 871 00:51:03,630 --> 00:51:05,580 Adam Curry: I think she's just she does a lot of this, she 872 00:51:05,580 --> 00:51:09,420 wants to say something different. But the first thing I 873 00:51:09,420 --> 00:51:13,050 will address with you or I don't know, but her brain was behind 874 00:51:13,050 --> 00:51:14,550 her mouth or ahead, 875 00:51:15,060 --> 00:51:18,060 Unknown: hate speech, that this is something we had been working 876 00:51:18,060 --> 00:51:19,410 on for months. 877 00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:23,460 Adam Curry: So I'll just pre set this up. Apparently, it was a 878 00:51:23,460 --> 00:51:27,870 great coincidence that they had been working for months on new 879 00:51:27,870 --> 00:51:31,920 hate speech rules for their platform. And on the very same 880 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,880 day they launch it, this controversy starts. It's I mean, 881 00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:36,840 it's just unbelievable. 882 00:51:36,900 --> 00:51:40,080 Unknown: And we launched it on Wednesday of last week, this is 883 00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,230 a series of policy changes you've been rolling out. So 884 00:51:43,380 --> 00:51:46,770 just bear with all yes. So we've been making lots of different 885 00:51:46,770 --> 00:51:51,030 policy changes on YouTube. And we made this this past week, we 886 00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:55,770 made a change in how we handle hate speech. That took months 887 00:51:55,770 --> 00:51:58,440 and months of work and hundreds of people we had working on 888 00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,960 that. And that was a very significant launch and a really 889 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:01,650 important one. 890 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,280 Adam Curry: I love how they've clearly been able to come up 891 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,760 with rules. And she details in a moment about hate speech, 892 00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,180 something that legally cannot even be done. But yeah, okay. 893 00:52:12,210 --> 00:52:14,760 Unknown: And what we did with that launch is we made a couple 894 00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:21,300 of big changes. One of them was to make it so that you if 895 00:52:21,300 --> 00:52:25,500 there's a video that alleges that some race or or a religion 896 00:52:25,500 --> 00:52:30,750 or gender or group protected group is superior in some way, 897 00:52:30,810 --> 00:52:34,710 and uses that to justify discrimination or exclusion that 898 00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:38,970 would now no longer be allowed on our platform. Similarly, if 899 00:52:38,970 --> 00:52:43,500 they if this if you had a religion or race, and they 900 00:52:43,500 --> 00:52:48,090 allege that inferiority that another group was inferior, and 901 00:52:48,090 --> 00:52:51,570 they use that to justify discrimination, and one way 902 00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:53,160 changes that we made, 903 00:52:53,759 --> 00:52:58,229 John C. Dvorak: yeah. So I can't say hey, yeah, the 40 Niners 904 00:52:58,229 --> 00:53:02,519 stink, they're inferior to the Raiders, I think you're very 905 00:53:02,519 --> 00:53:05,759 can't have it. So Sports Talk is now eliminated five to think 906 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,090 Adam Curry: you're very close here, she expands on these regs. 907 00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:09,780 Examples would 908 00:53:09,780 --> 00:53:14,370 Unknown: be like race, x is superior to x two is superior to 909 00:53:14,370 --> 00:53:16,800 y, and therefore y should be segregated. 910 00:53:16,830 --> 00:53:19,860 Adam Curry: Okay, that sounds clear to me, I'm all good. If 911 00:53:19,860 --> 00:53:23,340 you're X or Y, then you're in trouble. This is literally her 912 00:53:23,340 --> 00:53:23,820 example. 913 00:53:23,850 --> 00:53:28,560 Unknown: Examples would be like race, x is superior to x two is 914 00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,470 superior to y, and therefore y should be segregated. 915 00:53:32,009 --> 00:53:35,699 Adam Curry: I can see I can see the Googlers. I can see them on 916 00:53:35,699 --> 00:53:38,849 the whiteboard. Okay, here's race X and race, what and why we 917 00:53:38,849 --> 00:53:40,889 do the root square root of that. And you know, these guys, 918 00:53:40,889 --> 00:53:44,489 everything's mathematics to them everything, like, even hate 919 00:53:44,489 --> 00:53:46,589 speech. Oh, we got a formula for that. Is it 920 00:53:46,590 --> 00:53:48,570 Unknown: weird to you that you had to make a rule that said 921 00:53:48,570 --> 00:53:51,270 this shouldn't be allowed, that this wasn't covered either by an 922 00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:53,670 existing rule that you had to tell your community? Look, this 923 00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:55,320 is not acceptable? Oh, well, so 924 00:53:55,350 --> 00:53:58,470 actually, a lot of this, you know, if we're a global company, 925 00:53:58,470 --> 00:54:01,980 of course. And so if you look at European loss cars, there are a 926 00:54:01,980 --> 00:54:05,190 number of countries that have a really strong hate speech law. 927 00:54:05,460 --> 00:54:07,920 And so which country has very strong 928 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,030 Adam Curry: hate speech laws? 929 00:54:09,420 --> 00:54:11,550 John C. Dvorak: She's referred I know what she's referring to. 930 00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:17,820 She's referring to Germany's you can't talk Nazi stuff. Can't 931 00:54:17,820 --> 00:54:19,560 have a swastika. And there's 932 00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,510 Adam Curry: some in the UK. There's some some of that in the 933 00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:24,960 UK. But I don't know about very strong but okay, 934 00:54:24,990 --> 00:54:27,300 Unknown: this country, this, a lot of this kind of had never 935 00:54:27,300 --> 00:54:30,420 been allowed in those countries, but have actually been allowed 936 00:54:30,450 --> 00:54:33,870 in the US and many other countries. And so what we had 937 00:54:33,870 --> 00:54:36,570 actually done with it a few years ago, is we had actually 938 00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,130 had limited features. 939 00:54:38,190 --> 00:54:40,830 Adam Curry: So what she's saying actually, is that they actually 940 00:54:40,830 --> 00:54:43,410 already had these limitation features on hate speech, 941 00:54:43,410 --> 00:54:46,770 actually. And they had actually made that less restrictive in 942 00:54:46,770 --> 00:54:49,170 the US. All they had to do was flip a switch, apparently, 943 00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,530 Unknown: meaning that it wasn't in the recommendations. It 944 00:54:52,530 --> 00:54:55,740 wasn't monetized, had an interstitial in front of it, to 945 00:54:55,740 --> 00:54:59,970 say that it was content that we found offensive. And when we did 946 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,790 We actually reduce the views to it actually percent. 947 00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:06,030 Adam Curry: It's interesting. What she's saying here is the 948 00:55:06,030 --> 00:55:08,520 way they have their system actually already working 949 00:55:08,550 --> 00:55:13,620 actually, is they would not put an ad in front of it, they would 950 00:55:13,620 --> 00:55:16,140 maybe even put an interstitial, which would be they would that 951 00:55:16,140 --> 00:55:20,280 she means a warning. And what they would do is they would 952 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:25,140 reduce its viewership, or its surfacing as a recommendation by 953 00:55:25,140 --> 00:55:30,390 up to 80%. Notice, not 100% not kicking you off. Why? Because 954 00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:35,730 she does want people to view you your video and click on other 955 00:55:35,730 --> 00:55:38,520 things where they can make advertising money. And that is 956 00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,230 explained in a moment. But another example, 957 00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:42,270 Unknown: we found that it was effective, but we really wanted 958 00:55:42,270 --> 00:55:45,060 to take this additional step. And we made this step on 959 00:55:45,060 --> 00:55:48,750 Wednesday, we also added which is really important, a few other 960 00:55:48,750 --> 00:55:51,840 important definitions to protected groups. So we added 961 00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,050 caste, because YouTube has become so significant in India. 962 00:55:55,260 --> 00:55:58,950 And then we also added victims of verified violent events. So 963 00:55:58,950 --> 00:56:01,980 like saying the Holocaust didn't happen, or Sandy Hook didn't 964 00:56:01,980 --> 00:56:05,430 have it also became violations of our policies. And so this was 965 00:56:05,460 --> 00:56:07,860 happening on Wednesday, and we launched it on Wednesday. 966 00:56:08,010 --> 00:56:11,130 Adam Curry: So how about that, just as an example, you can't 967 00:56:11,130 --> 00:56:15,900 say, No one got hurt at Sandy Hook. Because that's, you know, 968 00:56:15,900 --> 00:56:19,770 if people got hurt during a big massive event, then you can't 969 00:56:19,770 --> 00:56:24,090 deny that. That's very interesting that that's the 970 00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,810 that's the the the attack that they've chosen. And the reason 971 00:56:27,810 --> 00:56:31,140 why is, of course apparent in this, when we look 972 00:56:31,140 --> 00:56:32,640 Unknown: at these accounts, there are many different 973 00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,490 components that we look at. If I were to do it again, I would put 974 00:56:35,490 --> 00:56:37,680 it all into one, one go, Yeah, we do. 975 00:56:39,390 --> 00:56:43,050 We're not going to help you make money on YouTube. Monetization, 976 00:56:43,110 --> 00:56:46,050 meaning we're not going to run ads against your stuff, if you 977 00:56:46,050 --> 00:56:48,210 still want to sell racist coffee mugs, or whatever you're 978 00:56:48,210 --> 00:56:51,180 selling. That's your business, but we're not going to help you, 979 00:56:51,210 --> 00:56:52,650 we're not gonna put an ad in front of your stuff. So 980 00:56:52,650 --> 00:56:55,050 Adam Curry: what she's explaining here is why they will 981 00:56:55,050 --> 00:56:58,350 de monetize, but will not kick somebody off, 982 00:56:58,650 --> 00:57:00,990 Unknown: or whatever you're selling. That's your business, 983 00:57:00,990 --> 00:57:02,910 but we're not going to help you we're not gonna put an ad in 984 00:57:02,910 --> 00:57:03,480 front of your stuff. 985 00:57:04,109 --> 00:57:07,439 Well, we said we're not going to put an ad in front of it, but 986 00:57:09,089 --> 00:57:13,379 but the conditions by which we make will turn it on, can be 987 00:57:13,379 --> 00:57:18,179 broader than than just that. So for example, if they're selling 988 00:57:18,179 --> 00:57:21,479 merchandise and linking off of YouTube, and that is, 989 00:57:22,230 --> 00:57:24,270 Adam Curry: she's not she what she's saying is if you're if 990 00:57:24,270 --> 00:57:27,750 you're making money outside of us, yeah, we really don't want 991 00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:30,600 to be you to do that. So we're gonna kind of de monetize you. 992 00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,290 But if you stop doing that, and this is just a mug that they're 993 00:57:34,350 --> 00:57:37,680 that they're referencing, I don't think it was a racist mug 994 00:57:37,710 --> 00:57:38,850 was it racist mug, 995 00:57:39,570 --> 00:57:41,040 John C. Dvorak: which is the thing, so it was just a mug, 996 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,470 just a mulligan, that guy will crowd or whatever his name is, 997 00:57:43,500 --> 00:57:46,770 Adam Curry: right. So this is a commercial decision, which I 998 00:57:46,770 --> 00:57:49,350 understand I ended well, she finishes up 20 seconds, 999 00:57:50,940 --> 00:57:53,850 Unknown: seen as racist or causing other problems that we 1000 00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,130 that's something that we will discuss with the Creator. 1001 00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,500 Because again, we are we're having it, we're like putting 1002 00:57:58,500 --> 00:58:01,050 advertising there. So we need to make sure that the advertisers 1003 00:58:01,050 --> 00:58:04,650 are going to be okay with it. And we have a higher standard. 1004 00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,500 So we can sort of look at all different parts of that creator 1005 00:58:07,500 --> 00:58:11,580 and what they're doing, and basically apply that higher 1006 00:58:11,580 --> 00:58:12,240 standard there. 1007 00:58:12,780 --> 00:58:15,660 Adam Curry: She never mentions what the higher standard is. 1008 00:58:16,140 --> 00:58:20,700 Because we all know what it is brand safe. That's your higher 1009 00:58:20,700 --> 00:58:21,300 standard. 1010 00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:23,070 John C. Dvorak: Yes, this is something that we've been 1011 00:58:23,070 --> 00:58:26,580 harping on. Now, I should mention that I don't know why 1012 00:58:26,580 --> 00:58:29,790 this is a surprise to anybody. If anyone has experienced with 1013 00:58:29,790 --> 00:58:34,440 Google Adsense in the early days, Google was very adamant 1014 00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,540 about how these things are going to be placed. They didn't want 1015 00:58:36,540 --> 00:58:39,990 competition, they don't like the idea. So they don't want you 1016 00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:43,260 doing anything that would interfere with their, their 1017 00:58:44,370 --> 00:58:47,760 streams, their financial streams come in there. They don't want 1018 00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:52,230 you kind of latching on to somehow and piggybacking on and 1019 00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:54,720 making money on your own without them being in the middle. That's 1020 00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,020 all got to go through them. Yes, every single it's just a style. 1021 00:59:00,180 --> 00:59:02,670 Don't feel don't have to go along with it. There's 1022 00:59:02,670 --> 00:59:05,910 alternatives, but nobody wants to, you know, YouTube is set up 1023 00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:09,150 to, you know, make it easy for everybody to put their videos 1024 00:59:09,150 --> 00:59:12,840 there. So, an assertion what happens by the way, if YouTube 1025 00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:17,130 just falls and all the videos go away? Why would the world be 1026 00:59:17,130 --> 00:59:19,710 different? And how would people react to that, I wonder? 1027 00:59:20,490 --> 00:59:25,260 Adam Curry: Well, an assertion that videos, an assertion that 1028 00:59:25,260 --> 00:59:30,660 we came up with is that these celebrated YouTubers are 1029 00:59:30,750 --> 00:59:35,580 insignificant to their business, insignificant to their business 1030 00:59:35,610 --> 00:59:41,730 in in regards to the actual revenue. So yeah, I agree. Well, 1031 00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,610 she's going to tell you how insignificant what percentage do 1032 00:59:44,610 --> 00:59:50,640 you think are of their entire? Well, she doesn't necessarily 1033 00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:54,510 say revenue, but if all the videos that are monetized by 1034 00:59:54,510 --> 00:59:58,950 Google, what percentage do you think is is big and problematic? 1035 00:59:58,980 --> 01:00:01,320 Or just probably grammatic because they're big 1036 01:00:02,310 --> 01:00:04,920 John C. Dvorak: problems, maybe they're too big to fail. Know, 1037 01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,360 Adam Curry: the ones that like Crowder and Joe Rogan, or Alex 1038 01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:14,160 Jones, or anyone who's or Laura Loomer, or Laura southern or any 1039 01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,910 of these people who think they're really important. What 1040 01:00:17,910 --> 01:00:21,930 percentage of YouTube's actual business is that 1% or less 1041 01:00:22,620 --> 01:00:24,450 Unknown: fathom why there's 8 million pieces of terrible 1042 01:00:24,450 --> 01:00:27,360 things coming onto your site on a quarterly basis. But that 1043 01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:28,950 would really upset me and worry me, 1044 01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:33,690 Well, it matters, what's the denominator, like you, you gave 1045 01:00:33,690 --> 01:00:36,660 the numerator, right. And so, you know, we have a large 1046 01:00:36,660 --> 01:00:39,360 denominator, meaning we have like, lots of content is 1047 01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:43,920 uploaded, and lots of users and, and lots of really good content. 1048 01:00:43,950 --> 01:00:48,240 And, you know, when we look at it, you know, what the, what all 1049 01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:51,690 the the news and the concerns, and the stories have been, have 1050 01:00:51,690 --> 01:00:56,520 been about this fractional 1% of you talked about the other 99 1051 01:00:56,520 --> 01:01:01,500 point, you know, what, you know, whatever that number is, like, 1052 01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,530 that's all really valuable content of people who are 1053 01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:07,110 sharing valuable points of view that we haven't heard about 1054 01:01:07,110 --> 01:01:13,110 educational content, addressing really important issues. And so 1055 01:01:13,230 --> 01:01:15,660 I think it's important to remember that and put that in 1056 01:01:15,660 --> 01:01:19,650 perspective. And I say that not because we are not committed to 1057 01:01:19,650 --> 01:01:23,520 solving the fractional 1%. Like we are very committed. And I've 1058 01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,430 been really clear that this is the responsibility is my number 1059 01:01:26,430 --> 01:01:30,300 one priority. And there is a lot of work for us to do. I 1060 01:01:30,300 --> 01:01:33,120 acknowledge that. But I also know that we have tremendous 1061 01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:38,070 tools at our fingertips that we can continue to invest in to do 1062 01:01:38,070 --> 01:01:38,790 a better job, 1063 01:01:39,210 --> 01:01:43,080 Adam Curry: fractional 1%. She can't even give us the fraction. 1064 01:01:43,110 --> 01:01:43,890 It's so small, 1065 01:01:44,100 --> 01:01:45,870 John C. Dvorak: it's probably half of a percent. 1066 01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:50,010 Responsibility. Is her number one priority. No, what was it 1067 01:01:50,010 --> 01:01:51,780 again? She had that funny phrase. 1068 01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,120 Adam Curry: Was it right in the beginning? No, is 1069 01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:55,260 John C. Dvorak: it the near the end? 1070 01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,230 Unknown: shelving, the fractional 1%? Like we are very 1071 01:02:01,230 --> 01:02:03,600 committed, and I've been really clear that this is a 1072 01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,600 responsibility is my number one priority. And 1073 01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,140 John C. Dvorak: sponsibility what does that mean? I think she 1074 01:02:10,140 --> 01:02:14,610 means number one priority responsibility is like what's 1075 01:02:14,610 --> 01:02:18,840 your number one priority? You know, keep my abortion my hands 1076 01:02:18,930 --> 01:02:19,770 before? No, 1077 01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,790 Adam Curry: no response what she means in geekspeak. It should be 1078 01:02:23,790 --> 01:02:26,820 gooped. Speak not good talk. I think it's good speak. 1079 01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:29,520 You think is better? 1080 01:02:29,970 --> 01:02:33,570 John C. Dvorak: Good. Good talk. goob. Toby, see you good to 1081 01:02:33,570 --> 01:02:38,250 speak good fit more within the normal meme? Yeah. We have we'll 1082 01:02:38,250 --> 01:02:39,270 have to debate this later. 1083 01:02:39,299 --> 01:02:43,769 Adam Curry: geekspeak. You take responsibility for the 1084 01:02:43,769 --> 01:02:49,199 borderline fraction of 1% of issues. That's why she took 1085 01:02:49,199 --> 01:02:56,339 responsibility for hurting the LGBTQ community. You see, the 1086 01:02:56,339 --> 01:02:59,879 first question out of the gate. The first question she got from 1087 01:02:59,879 --> 01:03:03,899 the audience was ina fried. Are you familiar with Ina fried? Oh, 1088 01:03:03,899 --> 01:03:09,119 yeah. I have fried who used to be eaten fried is a transgender. 1089 01:03:09,149 --> 01:03:12,989 Oh, I dead named her. I'm sorry. And here was her question. Yep. 1090 01:03:13,020 --> 01:03:16,530 Unknown: Nina fried with Axios. You started off with an apology 1091 01:03:16,530 --> 01:03:20,280 to the LGBTQ community. But then you also said that you were 1092 01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,190 involved and that you think YouTube made the right call? A 1093 01:03:23,190 --> 01:03:25,590 lot of people don't really feel like that's an apology and are 1094 01:03:25,590 --> 01:03:31,830 concerned that YouTube flags LGBT positive content just for 1095 01:03:31,830 --> 01:03:37,110 being LGBT, as sometimes, you know, sensitive and yet slurs 1096 01:03:37,110 --> 01:03:40,020 are allowed. And I'm curious, are you really sorry for 1097 01:03:40,020 --> 01:03:43,110 anything to the LGBTQ community? Or are you just sorry that they 1098 01:03:43,110 --> 01:03:48,180 were offended? But listen 1099 01:03:53,220 --> 01:03:56,610 I'm really personally I'm very sorry. And I it was not our 1100 01:03:56,610 --> 01:04:01,140 intent. Our goal was, YouTube has always been a home of so 1101 01:04:01,140 --> 01:04:08,010 many LGBTQ creators, and that's why it was it was so emotional. 1102 01:04:08,490 --> 01:04:09,180 Why, 1103 01:04:09,810 --> 01:04:11,520 John C. Dvorak: like, what is wrong with this? 1104 01:04:11,970 --> 01:04:12,690 Adam Curry: Emotional, 1105 01:04:12,959 --> 01:04:16,889 Unknown: really? That's why even though it was a hard decision, 1106 01:04:16,889 --> 01:04:19,199 it was made harder than it came from us because we've been such 1107 01:04:19,199 --> 01:04:20,309 an important home and 1108 01:04:20,490 --> 01:04:23,670 Adam Curry: the what what is wrong with her is that this is 1109 01:04:23,670 --> 01:04:27,630 their problem. This is their fractional 1% issue is that the 1110 01:04:27,630 --> 01:04:31,530 social justice warriors are relentless will not stop for 1111 01:04:31,530 --> 01:04:40,290 anything find. The find fault in in, in almost anything anyone 1112 01:04:40,290 --> 01:04:45,330 says it's the it's social justice warriors. It's in the 1113 01:04:45,330 --> 01:04:48,540 end, they don't want the stories. They can't have the 1114 01:04:48,540 --> 01:04:53,400 negative press and we've been through this because that if I 1115 01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,890 didn't clip all this, of course, but she even said oh no, we've 1116 01:04:55,890 --> 01:05:01,320 reduced these things to 50% all of this whole thing The Blitz 1117 01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:06,090 that she's on is to inform advertisers it's safe over here, 1118 01:05:06,330 --> 01:05:11,760 it's less than 1% We've and even that we, we don't even show them 1119 01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:17,280 almost 20% Maybe I think they're in some serious trouble when it 1120 01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:21,360 comes to the advertising business. I think they're gonna 1121 01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:22,260 have a real problem. 1122 01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:26,730 John C. Dvorak: But they say haven't taken over the whole 1123 01:05:26,730 --> 01:05:32,070 thing today and they have they're set in a position where 1124 01:05:32,070 --> 01:05:35,820 they have to grow to maintain their stock price and everything 1125 01:05:35,820 --> 01:05:40,050 in between they're in serious trouble insofar as growth but I 1126 01:05:40,050 --> 01:05:43,320 don't think they're in serious trouble is insofar as it's going 1127 01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,230 to recede on them and they're gonna make less and less money 1128 01:05:46,770 --> 01:05:47,940 like the newspapers 1129 01:05:49,710 --> 01:05:54,420 Adam Curry: well the competition for their type of advertising is 1130 01:05:54,450 --> 01:05:58,050 growing and that's the the all the other streaming services 1131 01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:01,500 including the the mains the M five M television networks who 1132 01:06:01,500 --> 01:06:06,750 were all you know now going into streaming and who and where 1133 01:06:06,750 --> 01:06:08,280 people are buying more ads 1134 01:06:12,060 --> 01:06:14,430 John C. Dvorak: Well, I'm not well, they those ads would have 1135 01:06:14,430 --> 01:06:19,410 gone to fractional ads and they would have gone into network TV 1136 01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:23,400 if they could afford them. Because that's where the action 1137 01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:27,120 is for the big money spends nowadays this big magazines used 1138 01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:30,840 to suck them up. Good big giant magazine would get into getting 1139 01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:34,380 Vogue magazine still a big giant magazine, you can get $50,000 1140 01:06:34,380 --> 01:06:38,220 for a page, which you can't there's nothing like that and on 1141 01:06:38,460 --> 01:06:46,020 online. No. And I don't know I I think their problem is 1142 01:06:46,020 --> 01:06:49,410 introspection may be damaging them when you have somebody like 1143 01:06:49,410 --> 01:06:52,650 this woman who's like, you know, just fretting, fretting and 1144 01:06:52,650 --> 01:06:57,450 worried sick, essence apologizing in awkward ways that 1145 01:06:57,450 --> 01:07:00,480 she can get called out for not apologizing when she probably is 1146 01:07:00,660 --> 01:07:04,890 sincerely apologizing instead of apologizing for I'm sorry, I 1147 01:07:04,890 --> 01:07:07,890 hurt your feet. I'm sorry, you. I'm sorry. You think I hurt? 1148 01:07:08,310 --> 01:07:12,000 Adam Curry: I'm sorry. That's my favorite. I'm sorry. You felt 1149 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:13,080 butthurt about that? 1150 01:07:13,620 --> 01:07:17,430 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, I'm sincerely sorry. Yeah, that you? 1151 01:07:17,700 --> 01:07:20,220 You know, that's sort of apology, which is not what she 1152 01:07:20,220 --> 01:07:23,970 did. But she got called on it anyway, and folded. She should 1153 01:07:23,970 --> 01:07:26,610 have just jumped on him. So that's not what I said. No, I 1154 01:07:26,610 --> 01:07:29,880 don't say that. I've just honestly said that. She didn't 1155 01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:33,990 say that. I didn't say I'm sorry, because you fell. But I 1156 01:07:33,990 --> 01:07:36,540 said I am sorry that this happened, period? 1157 01:07:37,650 --> 01:07:40,530 Adam Curry: Well, the correct answer came from Google CEO 1158 01:07:40,530 --> 01:07:44,910 Sundar Pichai, who was is interviewed separately by ina 1159 01:07:44,910 --> 01:07:45,930 fried Quickie, 1160 01:07:45,990 --> 01:07:47,940 Unknown: I thought maybe a good place to start is YouTube. And 1161 01:07:47,940 --> 01:07:50,880 obviously it comes up a lot. What goes through your mind when 1162 01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,040 you watch a video like the recent one, you had this 1163 01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:56,820 teenager? What appeared to be donning Muslim garb spewing a 1164 01:07:56,820 --> 01:08:01,320 lot of anti Muslim anti semitic homophobic hate what goes 1165 01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:03,780 through your mind when you see a video like that and see that 1166 01:08:03,780 --> 01:08:06,390 it's gotten 350,000 views? And 1167 01:08:06,420 --> 01:08:09,840 Adam Curry: I'm thinking Let me see 350 times 15 CPM. I'm 1168 01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:11,190 thinking bingo. 1169 01:08:11,490 --> 01:08:14,220 Unknown: I don't know all the details of this specific video. 1170 01:08:14,220 --> 01:08:18,270 But in general, look, I mean, all of us, you know, none of us 1171 01:08:18,270 --> 01:08:21,780 want harmful content on our platform harmful thing. Last 1172 01:08:21,780 --> 01:08:24,090 quarter alone, we removed 9 million videos from the 1173 01:08:24,090 --> 01:08:27,270 platform. More recently, we have introduced, you know, just like 1174 01:08:27,270 --> 01:08:30,120 today, we do this in search, we you know, we had rank content 1175 01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:34,260 based on quality. And so we bringing that same notion and 1176 01:08:34,260 --> 01:08:38,190 approach to YouTube so that we can rank higher quality stuff 1177 01:08:38,220 --> 01:08:43,020 better, and really prevent borderline content content, 1178 01:08:43,020 --> 01:08:45,480 which doesn't exactly violate policies which need to be 1179 01:08:45,480 --> 01:08:49,710 removed, which can still cause harm. And so we are working 1180 01:08:49,980 --> 01:08:53,490 hard. It's a hard computer science problem. It's also hard 1181 01:08:53,490 --> 01:08:55,980 societal problem, because we need better frameworks around 1182 01:08:55,980 --> 01:08:59,430 what is hate speech, what's not. And how do we as a company, make 1183 01:08:59,430 --> 01:09:02,040 those decisions at scale and get it right without making 1184 01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:02,550 mistakes? 1185 01:09:02,700 --> 01:09:04,920 Adam Curry: I love that it's just a hard computer science 1186 01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:07,740 problem. That's got to be my favorite answer. 1187 01:09:07,770 --> 01:09:10,200 John C. Dvorak: That's classic. Now I want to mention something, 1188 01:09:10,260 --> 01:09:13,260 don't you think a website that would just totally kick butt 1189 01:09:13,650 --> 01:09:20,460 would be called the 9 million? Who? I know now. They took 9 1190 01:09:20,460 --> 01:09:21,960 million videos down. 1191 01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:25,320 Yeah, that's a lot of videos. 1192 01:09:25,350 --> 01:09:27,210 Adam Curry: Well, that's and that's just in three months. 1193 01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:29,910 John C. Dvorak: Now, as I said in the last year, now quarter 1194 01:09:29,970 --> 01:09:35,610 quarter, they said quarter hope. Holy moly. Well, that was that 1195 01:09:35,610 --> 01:09:36,360 will actually do. 1196 01:09:37,710 --> 01:09:40,350 Adam Curry: That was? Well, interestingly, in the in the 1197 01:09:40,350 --> 01:09:43,920 Recode. Interview, it was it was 8 million. And I don't know if 1198 01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:47,130 the Sundar was done before, after, but he said 9 million so 1199 01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:50,160 but I think the CEO might be I don't know the CEO of the whole 1200 01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:52,380 kitten caboodle. I don't know. Whoever's right. But yeah, it's 1201 01:09:52,380 --> 01:09:56,520 a lot. Then that's their purge and that's their 10,000 1202 01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:59,970 reviewers and whatever AI thingies they have going on 1203 01:10:01,170 --> 01:10:04,950 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, yeah, sure the AI thing is restless. 1204 01:10:07,319 --> 01:10:10,739 Adam Curry: Yeah, well, just one of the many reasons why we 11 1205 01:10:10,739 --> 01:10:14,069 seasons ago you can turn it into yours if you want to chose a 1206 01:10:14,069 --> 01:10:17,309 very different model so that we could never get kicked off but 1207 01:10:18,719 --> 01:10:22,649 we vowed to consistent poverty. And that is why I'd like to 1208 01:10:22,649 --> 01:10:24,569 thank you for your courage to say in the morning to you John 1209 01:10:24,599 --> 01:10:26,069 C. Dvorak. 1210 01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:29,820 John C. Dvorak: Good morning to you Mr. Adam curry in the 1211 01:10:29,820 --> 01:10:32,580 morning all ships at sea boots on the ground feet in the air 1212 01:10:32,580 --> 01:10:35,880 and some was in the water in the morning. 1213 01:10:38,490 --> 01:10:42,390 Adam Curry: The morning to the troll room, no agenda stream.com 1214 01:10:42,780 --> 01:10:46,140 Very trollee today for some reason. Oh, kind? Yeah, they got 1215 01:10:46,230 --> 01:10:49,590 this very trollee like all kinds of side topics. I don't know if 1216 01:10:49,590 --> 01:10:52,020 they're paying attention at all in there. It doesn't seem like 1217 01:10:52,770 --> 01:10:58,080 also in the morning to was it that guy again? Who was the CSB 1218 01:10:58,080 --> 01:10:59,940 guys that not comic strip blogger. 1219 01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:03,360 John C. Dvorak: If it was comic strip blogger, that's what he'd 1220 01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:03,930 put. 1221 01:11:06,090 --> 01:11:09,330 Adam Curry: We want to thank CSB for the artwork for episode 1222 01:11:09,330 --> 01:11:14,880 1145. The title of that was dumb meat. And it was the report hate 1223 01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:19,050 speech tap here button which interestingly, on many podcast 1224 01:11:19,050 --> 01:11:22,500 players actually does something when you when you when you hit 1225 01:11:22,500 --> 01:11:25,020 that it gives, it does something that gives you like show notes 1226 01:11:25,020 --> 01:11:28,650 or something doesn't report anything. That was a great piece 1227 01:11:28,650 --> 01:11:30,720 of art. We thought it was very funny. And we appreciate the 1228 01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:34,410 work that all of our artistic producers and I said artistic 1229 01:11:34,410 --> 01:11:39,210 producers do, and no agenda art generator.com where you can 1230 01:11:39,270 --> 01:11:43,200 always find some fun art for a project, maybe like no agenda 1231 01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:47,130 shop.com Then and everyone seems to be able to make money on that 1232 01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:50,820 including the artists. But really it just brings our show 1233 01:11:51,210 --> 01:11:54,060 which everyone collectively produces to the forefront 1234 01:11:54,210 --> 01:11:58,740 because rotating artwork is an eye catcher and it helps people 1235 01:11:58,950 --> 01:12:02,130 listen to the show. And again, thank you CSB no agenda art 1236 01:12:02,130 --> 01:12:07,710 generator.com Now how do we do this with our with our donations 1237 01:12:07,710 --> 01:12:10,020 doing well? How do we do this with the with the meet up 1238 01:12:10,020 --> 01:12:12,870 donation that there's no long notes, but there's just a couple 1239 01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:13,080 of way 1240 01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:14,940 John C. Dvorak: we do it. We do it the way I think we've been 1241 01:12:14,940 --> 01:12:17,070 doing it, which is out we'll do this segment and then we'll do a 1242 01:12:17,070 --> 01:12:20,130 meet up a segment. Okay. And then we'll do it downwards. We 1243 01:12:20,130 --> 01:12:23,220 do three donation segments. Okay, good. Good. Good. All 1244 01:12:23,220 --> 01:12:27,060 right. And it doesn't happen that often that people complain 1245 01:12:27,060 --> 01:12:30,600 about I saw like we're doing a meet up a week. It's starting 1246 01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:38,430 with we start with Sir whole Ji hyung Baronet of Mongkok. 26 one 1247 01:12:38,430 --> 01:12:42,240 dollars and 40 cents is our top executive producer. Note 1248 01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:46,200 Father's Day is actually the 16th the news versus the 15th 1249 01:12:46,350 --> 01:12:51,870 Oops, smiley face and Nope. Yeah. Happy Father's Day pops. 1250 01:12:51,900 --> 01:12:57,300 Happy birthday to fellow fine Flag Day babies. Can I get a job 1251 01:12:57,300 --> 01:13:02,190 karma? Sir? Whoa, Ji hyung Baronet of Mongkok, Hong Kong it 1252 01:13:02,190 --> 01:13:02,520 says 1253 01:13:02,550 --> 01:13:05,610 Adam Curry: yeah, of course you can. And we'd also love to get a 1254 01:13:05,610 --> 01:13:08,880 little boots on the ground reporting from the crazy 1255 01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:12,390 protests that are going on. In Hong Kong. We 1256 01:13:12,390 --> 01:13:13,230 John C. Dvorak: have some flips. 1257 01:13:13,349 --> 01:13:16,109 Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Well, let me give him as was a jobs karma 1258 01:13:16,109 --> 01:13:16,229 here. 1259 01:13:17,310 --> 01:13:24,540 Unknown: Jobs, jobs and jobs for jobs. Thank you. 1260 01:13:25,470 --> 01:13:27,480 John C. Dvorak: Nick foster comes in as associate our 1261 01:13:27,570 --> 01:13:32,070 executive producer at $350 and one penny. Hello, Adam and John 1262 01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:34,650 is donations you put me at the required threshold for 1263 01:13:34,650 --> 01:13:39,090 knighthood. All right. I don't know. Yes. You know, wacky type. 1264 01:13:39,180 --> 01:13:42,420 No wacky title needed. My birthday is Friday the 14th I'll 1265 01:13:42,420 --> 01:13:46,920 be 24. I've been unemployed since last late last year, but 1266 01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:51,180 at least I'm in talks with my ideal employer. Prior to this, I 1267 01:13:51,180 --> 01:13:56,190 was operating a data center for Bitcoin miners. And the downturn 1268 01:13:56,190 --> 01:14:00,420 in the market forced us to close oh boy I've been trying out Uber 1269 01:14:00,420 --> 01:14:04,920 for the last eight weeks and let me tell you it's not much fun. I 1270 01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:08,790 really need to put into over 16 hours a day seven days a week to 1271 01:14:08,790 --> 01:14:13,530 make any money jobs karma and Sharpton respect, please. 1272 01:14:13,650 --> 01:14:15,600 Adam Curry: Alright Nick, and we'll see you at the roundtable 1273 01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:21,900 later on. ESP ICT 1274 01:14:21,900 --> 01:14:26,940 Unknown: jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for John 1275 01:14:32,130 --> 01:14:36,030 John C. Dvorak: I go Sabres $2.42 Thanks to you and Adam. 1276 01:14:36,510 --> 01:14:40,830 For the consistently high quality infotainment you provide 1277 01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:45,180 please sense of jobs karma to my daughters who are new to the 1278 01:14:45,180 --> 01:14:50,100 grind and and could use a bump to get themselves where they 1279 01:14:50,100 --> 01:14:54,060 want to be. If you could throw in a bingo boom, boom from the 1280 01:14:54,060 --> 01:14:57,030 Reverend Manning just for fun. Bingo boom, boom 1281 01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:05,250 boom, boom, boom. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. That's their job. 1282 01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:08,100 All right. 1283 01:15:08,730 --> 01:15:13,110 And Mike Associate Executive Producer 242 says, followed by 1284 01:15:13,110 --> 01:15:17,010 Patrick Knight of the Southern Southern California hills $200 1285 01:15:18,420 --> 01:15:21,900 Patrick needed the SoCal Hills here's the to the number three 1286 01:15:21,900 --> 01:15:24,030 best conservative podcast in the universe. 1287 01:15:24,090 --> 01:15:26,910 Adam Curry: I think his name is Patrick Knight of the SoCal 1288 01:15:26,910 --> 01:15:27,450 hills. 1289 01:15:28,770 --> 01:15:29,580 John C. Dvorak: Oh, well, 1290 01:15:29,820 --> 01:15:32,760 Adam Curry: I think it's Sir Patrick actually. Night of I 1291 01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:37,920 believe Okay, I think so. 1292 01:15:38,730 --> 01:15:43,410 John C. Dvorak: Well, it's still Patrick night of the SoCal I got 1293 01:15:43,410 --> 01:15:48,720 it I got Jason totally Oh blood Oh, Poulos or pull us totally, 1294 01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:49,380 totally. 1295 01:15:50,070 --> 01:15:51,570 Adam Curry: Totally opolis So totally up. 1296 01:15:53,340 --> 01:15:58,290 John C. Dvorak: Yes, it is Jason. In the morning, my smokin 1297 01:15:58,290 --> 01:16:04,560 hot husband and when it says Jason Jason Oh, Okay Jason and 1298 01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:07,800 Emilio that makes sense. I smokin hot husband I can't thank 1299 01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:11,700 you enough for your twice weekly sanity check. We travel a lot 1300 01:16:11,700 --> 01:16:14,610 for our respective jobs and you guys keep his company for as 1301 01:16:14,610 --> 01:16:17,700 long for the long flights around the world. Well, thank you. I 1302 01:16:17,700 --> 01:16:20,520 wonder what they did in the rare weeks we're both off the road 1303 01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:23,670 will often fall asleep listening to your brilliant deconstruction 1304 01:16:25,230 --> 01:16:28,740 as Horowitz likes to say the near the end of it DHL plug 1305 01:16:28,740 --> 01:16:32,430 which we know put some people asleep. Don't forget to Donate. 1306 01:16:33,180 --> 01:16:36,600 Donate, we've also punched our extended family in the mouth. So 1307 01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:39,180 no agenda is truly a family affair for us as my mother in 1308 01:16:39,180 --> 01:16:42,630 law Mary's birthday so my husband and I would like to wish 1309 01:16:42,630 --> 01:16:46,020 her a very happy birthday and hope she's not too embarrassed 1310 01:16:46,170 --> 01:16:51,780 and smiles when she hears this. She is loved. I'm also about to 1311 01:16:51,780 --> 01:16:55,380 embark on a potentially lengthy job hunt. So I'd appreciate some 1312 01:16:55,380 --> 01:16:59,460 jobs Kermit thanks again love and light, Jason and Emilio. 1313 01:16:59,490 --> 01:17:02,370 Adam Curry: Well love and light to you. Thank you very much. And 1314 01:17:02,970 --> 01:17:06,660 I'd love to know what what what jobs they have traveling all 1315 01:17:06,660 --> 01:17:10,020 around the world. spooks. 1316 01:17:11,700 --> 01:17:20,100 Unknown: Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for job. Karma. 1317 01:17:22,530 --> 01:17:25,110 John C. Dvorak: Somebody has to infiltrate various communities. 1318 01:17:25,530 --> 01:17:28,230 Adam Curry: Yes. I think there were at least there were at 1319 01:17:28,230 --> 01:17:30,540 least three spooks at the meetup yesterday. 1320 01:17:31,019 --> 01:17:34,379 John C. Dvorak: Oh, yeah, that's yeah, I want to ask you about 1321 01:17:34,379 --> 01:17:37,019 that. Because it's always funny because you can talk to people 1322 01:17:37,019 --> 01:17:40,319 who are on the lookout, not everybody is that's the problem. 1323 01:17:40,709 --> 01:17:43,139 Well, though, it doesn't matter, because you're not gonna do 1324 01:17:43,139 --> 01:17:46,679 anything about it anyway. But it's kind of nice to know, 1325 01:17:46,710 --> 01:17:49,830 Adam Curry: I think anyone who want to I think anyone who has 1326 01:17:49,890 --> 01:17:59,070 an American a was an American, Dutch. And what was my candid 1327 01:17:59,070 --> 01:18:03,480 Navy and Pat's like three? No British American and German or 1328 01:18:03,480 --> 01:18:06,690 Dutch passport? I think the Dutch one Dutch passport is 1329 01:18:06,690 --> 01:18:11,040 great all around the world system spooks love that there 1330 01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,410 was also one one of our producers just looked like men 1331 01:18:13,410 --> 01:18:16,500 in black. He was just dressed it was totally had the black tie 1332 01:18:16,500 --> 01:18:17,820 the black suit like spoke 1333 01:18:19,980 --> 01:18:22,020 John C. Dvorak: well, he could have been with MI six or 1334 01:18:22,020 --> 01:18:26,640 something along those lines is that we're assuming or GH GCHQ. 1335 01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:34,140 But the question is, did this did he the spooky character? 1336 01:18:34,530 --> 01:18:35,220 Donate 1337 01:18:38,250 --> 01:18:41,070 Adam Curry: you know, I have a deja vu and which makes sense. I 1338 01:18:41,070 --> 01:18:43,740 have a total deja vu on this. I remember having this exact 1339 01:18:43,740 --> 01:18:48,000 conversation about a meet up and about spooks and about donating 1340 01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:54,840 and I don't know. I think they flashed me. They must. Because 1341 01:18:55,530 --> 01:18:58,920 when men and black flashy what shows up as a deja vu. 1342 01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:02,340 John C. Dvorak: I have not ever asked that question. 1343 01:19:03,269 --> 01:19:05,819 Adam Curry: There you go. Yes, you have. I'm pretty sure you 1344 01:19:05,819 --> 01:19:06,179 have. 1345 01:19:06,810 --> 01:19:10,050 John C. Dvorak: I've asked about spooks and how many cigarettes 1346 01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:13,560 to meet up. But I don't remember asking if they don't 1347 01:19:16,860 --> 01:19:17,760 Adam Curry: freaking out what 1348 01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:19,950 John C. Dvorak: jobs card did you get the jobs karma out to 1349 01:19:20,430 --> 01:19:20,910 Jason? 1350 01:19:21,809 --> 01:19:26,399 Unknown: Just in case jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's 1351 01:19:26,399 --> 01:19:30,359 Volker jobs. Karma. 1352 01:19:32,370 --> 01:19:35,250 John C. Dvorak: Executive producer doesn't co Associate 1353 01:19:35,250 --> 01:19:38,070 Executive producers for show limb 46 1354 01:19:38,190 --> 01:19:41,490 Adam Curry: Yes. Now do we want to do the meetups right now or 1355 01:19:41,490 --> 01:19:44,040 do we break in again to do that now? It's not that long. 1356 01:19:45,180 --> 01:19:47,610 John C. Dvorak: If it's going to be short sure do now be easier. 1357 01:19:47,700 --> 01:19:48,480 Yeah. Okay. 1358 01:19:48,630 --> 01:19:56,040 Adam Curry: Let me just bring it up here. Okay. Because last 1359 01:19:56,040 --> 01:20:00,750 night, we were did everything. Put we didn't even wrote 1360 01:20:00,750 --> 01:20:05,250 everything down and get the pub. Oh, it's fantastic. It was you 1361 01:20:05,250 --> 01:20:08,580 know it was you're having it's a great pub. It's just a good pub. 1362 01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:12,900 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, it's very famous an old alright here's a 1363 01:20:12,900 --> 01:20:15,450 legit do all our London meetup should be a dead pub 1364 01:20:15,900 --> 01:20:19,890 Adam Curry: it's definitely it's appropriate for us for sure that 1365 01:20:19,890 --> 01:20:25,440 not and we were clogging the you know their their the the kitchen 1366 01:20:25,440 --> 01:20:28,620 entrance and they were all very new that was nice but not at any 1367 01:20:28,620 --> 01:20:32,010 point it and we get pissed off at noise we were making the fire 1368 01:20:32,010 --> 01:20:35,490 had the fire hazard Oakland fire hazard we 1369 01:20:36,630 --> 01:20:38,670 John C. Dvorak: didn't even clog the place and they're bitching 1370 01:20:38,670 --> 01:20:41,880 and moaning at us and then we noticed something in Seattle 1371 01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:46,680 Seattle and we've discussed this on the show and people from the 1372 01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:51,060 area have told us this Seattleites don't like crowds 1373 01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:55,320 they don't a bar doesn't want too many people in my bar to 1374 01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:59,160 make too much money I don't know what to do they get out out I 1375 01:20:59,160 --> 01:20:59,430 think 1376 01:20:59,430 --> 01:21:03,240 Adam Curry: we set the tone and I think we did good business on 1377 01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:06,360 us and we probably Shut the place down I don't know Tina and 1378 01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:09,720 I left before that took place anyway some thanks from 1379 01:21:09,750 --> 01:21:14,730 producers who supported the show with on the spot donations very 1380 01:21:14,730 --> 01:21:17,130 interesting to see I don't know if you witnessed this when you 1381 01:21:17,130 --> 01:21:21,060 did the meetup John a lot of people went to the bank and got 1382 01:21:21,060 --> 01:21:26,520 crisp dollars to to hand in cash so the actual dollars actual 1383 01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:29,910 dollars many of them more than I expected. So Martin from the 1384 01:21:29,910 --> 01:21:34,140 Welsh Valleys love and lady says $100 And these were crisp and 1385 01:21:34,140 --> 01:21:38,910 it's nice when you get a crisp a crisp dollar that's you don't 1386 01:21:38,940 --> 01:21:39,990 get those often. 1387 01:21:40,590 --> 01:21:42,360 John C. Dvorak: No you have to at the printing press must be 1388 01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:42,900 nearby 1389 01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:46,380 Adam Curry: or these are these crisp these crisp pound notes 1390 01:21:46,380 --> 01:21:49,800 the plastic Another thing that's new to me that that's weird. 1391 01:21:50,940 --> 01:21:52,890 John C. Dvorak: You get a kick out of that with oh my god 1392 01:21:52,890 --> 01:21:53,310 through 1393 01:21:53,310 --> 01:21:55,530 Adam Curry: it. Yeah, yeah, it's like how this feels doesn't 1394 01:21:55,530 --> 01:21:57,960 John C. Dvorak: use the Queen's ghost when you look through the 1395 01:21:58,110 --> 01:21:59,040 hollow area. 1396 01:22:00,030 --> 01:22:02,760 Adam Curry: Let's see nuked said in the evening John and Adam 1397 01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,190 Keep up the good work and not donated since I saw John in 1398 01:22:05,190 --> 01:22:08,880 2017. You guys need to create a crypto address for his anti Pay 1399 01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:12,960 Pal folk a lot of requests for that as usual. Please shout out 1400 01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:18,720 to my girls Elise and Saskia John, you pronounce Saskia sauce 1401 01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:23,970 KR Saskia last time which upset her? She was five back then now 1402 01:22:23,970 --> 01:22:28,680 seven. Get Adam to pronounce this Dutch name. Saskia Saskia 1403 01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:33,240 Saskia. I hope we did it right. That's 50 pounds. Thank you very 1404 01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:39,900 much. Sir Bashir server here came in with 50 pounds. Thank 1405 01:22:39,900 --> 01:22:45,720 you very much. Carl Madden from Enfield in London. 60 pounds. 1406 01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:52,170 Serve Burton. Ah, yes, he gave us 200 pounds and this was meant 1407 01:22:52,170 --> 01:22:56,940 as sanity insurance and he is on the list with an additional 1408 01:22:56,940 --> 01:23:04,620 donation today. Which I might as well do now. $168.80 just wanted 1409 01:23:04,620 --> 01:23:06,660 to say thank you so much for the show, which is significantly 1410 01:23:06,660 --> 01:23:10,020 responsible for keeping a grip on my sanity and amygdala. I had 1411 01:23:10,020 --> 01:23:12,150 the honor of attending the London London meetup tonight 1412 01:23:12,150 --> 01:23:15,900 which was amazing and such a buzz thanks Adam and Tina for 1413 01:23:15,900 --> 01:23:18,750 taking the time out of your honeymoon to do so meant a lot 1414 01:23:18,780 --> 01:23:21,720 of great people my first meet up but definitely not my last I 1415 01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:27,600 made two donations today $200 To add them in person and 133 via 1416 01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:32,730 PayPal 333 pounds total which means I make executive producer 1417 01:23:33,810 --> 01:23:40,290 is yes he should be up one level you yes so I can please do this 1418 01:23:40,290 --> 01:23:43,050 so I can update my LinkedIn profile apologies it was in two 1419 01:23:43,050 --> 01:23:47,820 parts. The man wouldn't let me get any more cash out of bad 1420 01:23:47,820 --> 01:23:52,200 planning on my part Oh yes, he had to go to the to the ATM and 1421 01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:56,220 he couldn't get enough money out or something like that. It also 1422 01:23:56,220 --> 01:23:58,890 means I mean knighthood level at long last yay added to my 1423 01:23:58,890 --> 01:24:04,320 monthly contributions over the last 10 years. Tried appallingly 1424 01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:08,640 badly to explain to Adam at the meetup but we'd like to request 1425 01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:12,630 the title of Sir ghee which is pronounced as in the Indian 1426 01:24:12,630 --> 01:24:17,790 clarified butter French gi Gu y ser geek but it'll be GE 1427 01:24:18,180 --> 01:24:21,030 hopefully the committee will see it fit. Anyway. You are busy 1428 01:24:21,030 --> 01:24:22,560 people they built the FY 1429 01:24:22,590 --> 01:24:24,510 John C. Dvorak: gi if he's going to be Sergey like the butter 1430 01:24:24,510 --> 01:24:28,020 shouldn't be G H E. That's gi Yeah, he 1431 01:24:28,020 --> 01:24:30,180 Adam Curry: just wants G 1432 01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:32,940 John C. Dvorak: you sure he didn't say G H E? 1433 01:24:32,970 --> 01:24:38,550 Adam Curry: No. He wrote it down in several places. So yes, and 1434 01:24:38,550 --> 01:24:42,210 thank you very much for your courage and we will night the 1435 01:24:42,210 --> 01:24:47,490 Sergey later on. Then we had Excuse me, sir Luke Reiner, if 1436 01:24:47,490 --> 01:24:50,430 you have not his vibe count of London and southeast and the 1437 01:24:50,430 --> 01:24:55,560 Southeast 200 pounds. Great to meet Adam in the keeper and in 1438 01:24:55,560 --> 01:25:00,300 the same place John and Mimi graced us with their presence. I 1439 01:25:00,300 --> 01:25:02,790 hope you enjoyed your brief stay in London feels great to give 1440 01:25:02,790 --> 01:25:05,580 you some cold hard cash. Hopefully the commission at the 1441 01:25:05,580 --> 01:25:08,280 Bureau to Sean's doesn't screw you too much. Thanks for 1442 01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:11,820 visiting Gitmo nation East. He also did professional 1443 01:25:11,820 --> 01:25:15,480 photographs of the meet up and they're all over Twitter and 1444 01:25:15,930 --> 01:25:19,770 also in the show notes. Sir Matthew Wittering of Greenwich 1445 01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:27,210 $150 in US currency. Please find the enclosed 150 Get mo dollars 1446 01:25:27,210 --> 01:25:29,880 for the value for value system. I appreciate some jobs, jobs, 1447 01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:32,400 jobs karma. We'll do that in a moment. Please. Credits are 1448 01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:36,300 Matthew Wittering of Greenwich. PS it was brilliant to meet you 1449 01:25:36,300 --> 01:25:39,270 Adam. Tina, John and many people have not forgotten your Meetup 1450 01:25:39,270 --> 01:25:46,740 there. Scott $75 Again, printed out requesting a D douching. 1451 01:25:48,210 --> 01:25:53,010 You've been D deuced. I was initially going for a 6006 saggy 1452 01:25:53,010 --> 01:25:56,580 boobs but rounded it up to 75 All the best to you and Tina I 1453 01:25:56,580 --> 01:26:00,480 don't recall if he had saggy boobs. Robin night it was hard 1454 01:26:00,480 --> 01:26:06,690 to read this. And it was die oh Sleuth. Couldn't really read his 1455 01:26:06,690 --> 01:26:09,660 handwriting was just a just written on the envelope. 100 1456 01:26:09,660 --> 01:26:15,510 pounds Robin Thank you very much. Marcus, aka the OLB Oh WB 1457 01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:23,700 and his smokin hot girlfriend Jozo $100. Thank you very much. 1458 01:26:23,700 --> 01:26:26,130 Was there any note with that? Thanks for the ongoing support 1459 01:26:26,130 --> 01:26:29,760 with mental health Well being a regular sanity check in the 1460 01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:35,250 morning gentleman. And then we had sir Black Knights or Brian 1461 01:26:35,250 --> 01:26:42,090 Barrow of Wootton Bassett Barrow of Barbados 200 pounds, and that 1462 01:26:42,090 --> 01:26:45,540 was from I believe the whole family Adam and John thanks this 1463 01:26:45,540 --> 01:26:49,890 donation takes me step closer to becoming a he says count, we 1464 01:26:49,890 --> 01:26:55,890 have count. Vi count I think it means vi count small price to 1465 01:26:55,890 --> 01:26:59,790 pay to keep you on the air. Even better. It should keep me just 1466 01:26:59,790 --> 01:27:05,460 ahead of Sir Luke of of London, and also a nice card for Tina 1467 01:27:05,460 --> 01:27:08,940 and myself. That's for our marriage is very appreciated. 1468 01:27:09,150 --> 01:27:15,120 Sir John of South London $100. Please accept this donation in 1469 01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:18,000 my latest installment toward becoming a baron. If you're 1470 01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,250 taking requests from knights please go to get some 1471 01:27:20,250 --> 01:27:23,130 relationship karma for the summer doldrums. Thank you for 1472 01:27:23,130 --> 01:27:26,550 the great work on no agenda. Apart from keeping us sane it is 1473 01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:30,120 the number one tool to keep our mind sharp and be skeptical of 1474 01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:36,600 all that we hear and read ITM T why FYC John Kumar Sir John of 1475 01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:40,020 South London again with a nice separate card for the keeper and 1476 01:27:40,020 --> 01:27:46,260 myself. Sir Tim Chang 50 pounds from him. I spoke to all these 1477 01:27:46,260 --> 01:27:49,980 people that fantastic Rudolph vest Li 300 pounds. So he also 1478 01:27:49,980 --> 01:27:54,420 becomes an executive producer. He had the longest note and 1479 01:27:54,420 --> 01:27:58,110 we're almost done with them. And he also gave us some elephant 1480 01:27:58,110 --> 01:28:01,230 bracelets which was nice. I think that's for good luck for 1481 01:28:01,230 --> 01:28:05,520 the for the for the newly married rudo. WLC, Senior 1482 01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:08,910 Director at Oracle Consulting at this moment moment trying to get 1483 01:28:08,910 --> 01:28:14,550 a job in Dubai, listening from Episode 1021 but haven't donated 1484 01:28:14,550 --> 01:28:20,430 yet, so he wants to be. You've been de Deus Ex, he says Call me 1485 01:28:20,430 --> 01:28:22,680 a douchebag but now we're deducing you for that please 1486 01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:24,960 tell Dvorak to learn something about the microservice 1487 01:28:24,990 --> 01:28:30,270 architecture. properly developed and managed micro service based 1488 01:28:30,270 --> 01:28:34,680 solutions is more resilient than any current legacy system than 1489 01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:40,920 the 911 outage from Episode 1101 definitely was not caused by a 1490 01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:45,540 microservice architecture, I'm assuming the 911 system is 1491 01:28:45,540 --> 01:28:48,450 running on a virtualized infrastructure that was 50 times 1492 01:28:48,450 --> 01:28:51,300 migrated from one provider to another and now it's managed by 1493 01:28:51,300 --> 01:28:53,940 people that don't have documentation and don't 1494 01:28:53,940 --> 01:28:58,770 understand it. Will take that. Thank you very much. We'll 1495 01:28:58,770 --> 01:29:02,340 John C. Dvorak: accept that explanation. But I'm not going 1496 01:29:02,340 --> 01:29:05,400 to accept the notion that microservices architecture is 1497 01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:09,870 the greatest thing since sliced bread which he implies. dude 1498 01:29:09,870 --> 01:29:12,720 named Benny that in the disdaining nerdy voice 1499 01:29:14,460 --> 01:29:17,040 Adam Curry: final two here, which he'll appreciate 1500 01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:21,750 dude named Ben M five M Hi, Adam, Tina and John finding 1501 01:29:21,750 --> 01:29:24,630 close and anonymous donation to the best podcast and universal 1502 01:29:24,630 --> 01:29:28,320 100 pounds. I work for the BBC. So do not want to be mentioned 1503 01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:30,870 by name. Yes, we understand that. He gave me a lot of 1504 01:29:30,870 --> 01:29:35,400 interesting insight into what is going on over there at the BBC. 1505 01:29:35,550 --> 01:29:41,730 And then finally, I'm sorry, we have Sir Kevin strange 100 1506 01:29:41,730 --> 01:29:50,670 pounds. And vo Dr. London who has a stationary which is I've 1507 01:29:50,670 --> 01:29:54,690 never seen this before. It has a beautiful logo and at the top 1508 01:29:54,690 --> 01:30:00,750 it's the ZAP a Have you ever heard of this outfit? Is the 1509 01:30:01,020 --> 01:30:08,430 zombie apocalypse prevention agency in London 42 pounds from 1510 01:30:08,430 --> 01:30:12,000 him, thank you very much. And he wants some goat karma. So we 1511 01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:16,140 have some relationship karma, jobs, karma, and goat karma. And 1512 01:30:16,140 --> 01:30:20,280 again, thank you everybody who came to the meet up. This was a 1513 01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:24,030 great one for us personally, for Tina and myself. It was just it 1514 01:30:24,030 --> 01:30:28,170 was really nice. You've made us feel very welcome. And, and it 1515 01:30:28,170 --> 01:30:31,860 was, as I said, the most diverse and I just, I'm just, I'm just 1516 01:30:31,860 --> 01:30:34,170 full of how wonderful it was jobs, 1517 01:30:34,350 --> 01:30:38,490 Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. 1518 01:30:43,110 --> 01:30:45,360 Adam Curry: And that's it for execs, or especially executive 1519 01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:47,670 producers and our meetup donations. Remember, we'll be 1520 01:30:47,670 --> 01:30:50,340 doing another show on Sunday, I will be coming to you from 1521 01:30:50,340 --> 01:30:52,680 Northern Ireland, you can support the show at 1522 01:30:52,679 --> 01:30:56,669 Unknown: vora.org/and. A, I'm pretty 1523 01:30:56,670 --> 01:30:59,130 Adam Curry: sure you know what's going on here in the UK. That's 1524 01:30:59,130 --> 01:31:01,590 why you need to propagate our formula is 1525 01:31:01,590 --> 01:31:05,310 Unknown: this. We go out for yet people in the mouth. 1526 01:31:22,470 --> 01:31:24,990 John C. Dvorak: I think it's time to get to a little local or 1527 01:31:25,020 --> 01:31:30,240 national politics. Yes, please. Let's start with Biden versus 1528 01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:34,200 Trump in iOS and ABC. Report, 1529 01:31:34,230 --> 01:31:37,350 Unknown: President Trump heading to Iowa today where Joe Biden 1530 01:31:37,380 --> 01:31:40,650 was waiting for him. The former Vice President making his most 1531 01:31:40,650 --> 01:31:42,090 direct attacks yet 1532 01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:44,880 John C. Dvorak: the President is literally an existential threat 1533 01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:46,110 to American 1534 01:31:46,860 --> 01:31:49,650 Unknown: voters in Ottumwa, Iowa Biden said the president 1535 01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:51,660 undermines American values. 1536 01:31:51,690 --> 01:31:53,730 John C. Dvorak: But this is a guy who does everything to 1537 01:31:53,730 --> 01:31:58,740 separate and frightened people. It's about fear and loathing. No 1538 01:31:58,740 --> 01:32:03,030 presidents done something like this. I mean, it's bizarre 1539 01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:07,830 Adam Curry: history lesson or just want me to play the whole 1540 01:32:07,830 --> 01:32:08,160 clip. 1541 01:32:09,750 --> 01:32:10,740 Unknown: And it's damaging. 1542 01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:14,880 Biden is eager to look past his Democratic rivals in just one 1543 01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:19,440 speech today, he references the president 76 times, Trump is 1544 01:32:19,440 --> 01:32:21,300 paying close attention. He was 1545 01:32:21,300 --> 01:32:24,030 John C. Dvorak: someplace in Iowa today. And he said my name 1546 01:32:24,030 --> 01:32:26,970 so many times that people couldn't stand it anymore. No, 1547 01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:30,420 don't keep saying sleepy guy. 1548 01:32:30,929 --> 01:32:33,869 Unknown: The President taking a page out of his 2016 playbook 1549 01:32:33,899 --> 01:32:36,599 attacking the former vice president stamina and mental 1550 01:32:36,599 --> 01:32:37,349 fitness. 1551 01:32:37,469 --> 01:32:40,019 John C. Dvorak: He looks different than he used to. He 1552 01:32:40,019 --> 01:32:44,129 acts different than he used to. He's even slower than he used to 1553 01:32:44,129 --> 01:32:47,789 be. I'd rather run against I think Biden than anybody. I 1554 01:32:47,789 --> 01:32:51,479 think he's the weakest mentally. And I like running against 1555 01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:53,039 people that are weak mentally. Mr. 1556 01:32:53,850 --> 01:32:55,950 Unknown: Why do you think the President says he would rather 1557 01:32:55,950 --> 01:32:57,570 run against you than anyone else? 1558 01:32:58,650 --> 01:33:02,460 John C. Dvorak: I don't know. I have no idea. Looking forward to 1559 01:33:03,090 --> 01:33:06,060 Unknown: Biden is leading in the early polls, but with 23 1560 01:33:06,060 --> 01:33:09,240 Democratic candidates to choose from some Democrats we spoke 1561 01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:10,920 with today aren't sold yet. 1562 01:33:11,099 --> 01:33:14,399 He's a person I really respect. I loved him as vice president, 1563 01:33:14,519 --> 01:33:17,849 but I think he just has too much baggage he's accumulated over 1564 01:33:17,849 --> 01:33:20,879 the years was Democrats. It's time for some new blood in the 1565 01:33:20,879 --> 01:33:27,599 party. What do you make it really stability, stability, 1566 01:33:27,659 --> 01:33:29,669 stability, we need somebody that knows 1567 01:33:29,670 --> 01:33:30,360 the ropes 1568 01:33:36,420 --> 01:33:37,350 John C. Dvorak: that a great clip. 1569 01:33:37,860 --> 01:33:43,110 Adam Curry: I'd love the insults also. Has no one jumped on him 1570 01:33:43,110 --> 01:33:47,940 for talking about people who are mentally challenged. 1571 01:33:48,629 --> 01:33:50,579 John C. Dvorak: No, at this point, they're just they just 1572 01:33:51,059 --> 01:33:55,979 the media is doing Trump's bidding against again got it. 1573 01:33:56,009 --> 01:33:59,849 Yeah, they're taken because this he's outrageous with his 1574 01:33:59,879 --> 01:34:03,059 comments about Biden being sleepy Joe, they got that in 1575 01:34:03,059 --> 01:34:06,689 there. And mentally, something's mentally wrong and he was slow. 1576 01:34:07,139 --> 01:34:09,869 They put that in because it's like it's colorful and it 1577 01:34:09,899 --> 01:34:13,559 lightens up the report. But if they're really out to get Trump 1578 01:34:14,790 --> 01:34:17,790 Adam Curry: there when they think they're they're really 1579 01:34:17,790 --> 01:34:21,870 John C. Dvorak: think they're doing themselves. A service they 1580 01:34:21,870 --> 01:34:24,090 think they're doing the Democrats is service by pointing 1581 01:34:24,090 --> 01:34:27,510 out Trump's that, that Trump says these things, not 1582 01:34:27,510 --> 01:34:31,860 realizing. Again, it's a stupidity thing. Yeah. Not 1583 01:34:31,860 --> 01:34:35,220 realizing that this is the kind of thing that sticks in people's 1584 01:34:35,220 --> 01:34:40,020 minds. Sleepy Joe. He's mentally incompetent. He's not he's 1585 01:34:40,020 --> 01:34:41,550 dumber than he used to be. 1586 01:34:41,730 --> 01:34:44,550 Adam Curry: I was surprised he hasn't brought up the taken his 1587 01:34:44,550 --> 01:34:46,260 head at the top of his head off twice. 1588 01:34:48,390 --> 01:34:50,730 John C. Dvorak: I am I don't think he knows go. The only 1589 01:34:50,730 --> 01:34:53,310 people that listen if he listens to the show. He knows. I don't 1590 01:34:53,310 --> 01:34:56,280 think that many people know about that. Yeah. 1591 01:34:57,060 --> 01:34:58,950 Adam Curry: It would be a perfect follow on I mean, they 1592 01:34:58,950 --> 01:35:01,320 took the top of his head off twice. I mean, well, how can he 1593 01:35:01,320 --> 01:35:05,640 be president? Who knows what they put in there? I can write 1594 01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:06,840 this stuff for him all day long. 1595 01:35:06,870 --> 01:35:08,880 John C. Dvorak: Maybe it's something he's saving. I'm not 1596 01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:14,490 sure. Media is just, and they put these packages together and 1597 01:35:14,490 --> 01:35:21,630 it did become hilarious if you listen to him. Yeah, like now we 1598 01:35:21,630 --> 01:35:25,950 had this woman, or CBS did a report on. Let's see what is the 1599 01:35:25,950 --> 01:35:30,990 CBS one because I have the I can give you the TV the ISOs I've 1600 01:35:30,990 --> 01:35:33,780 Adam Curry: already teased Ortiz is that who you're thinking of? 1601 01:35:34,140 --> 01:35:37,710 John C. Dvorak: Northeast is a baseball player was shot. Oh, 1602 01:35:37,710 --> 01:35:42,600 okay. I would, I'm going to just give you an end. I'm going to do 1603 01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:45,900 the ISOs I'm gonna play the three ISOs that I found. Okay. 1604 01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:48,180 And then they'll show up in different clips. 1605 01:35:48,210 --> 01:35:50,340 Adam Curry: Okay. Oh, nice. Oh, this is like a treasure hunt. 1606 01:35:50,370 --> 01:35:50,730 Yes. 1607 01:35:51,540 --> 01:35:54,450 John C. Dvorak: So this one here is his woman Lisa Chang, or 1608 01:35:54,450 --> 01:35:57,840 Lisa. She's a Chinese kind of Chinese on Oh, was she Chinese 1609 01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:01,680 American or Chinese? I can't tell. But she's on CBS. And she 1610 01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:06,870 can't print it. She can't pronounce Putin ba She's worse 1611 01:36:06,870 --> 01:36:10,560 than the other one for one. So the wall will girl who will used 1612 01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:14,550 to be on RT you couldn't say push you get Putin. Putin Putin 1613 01:36:14,610 --> 01:36:18,360 put in disco can even get that out. Listen to this with 1614 01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:20,400 Unknown: Russian President Vladimir Putin later 1615 01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:22,560 Adam Curry: this. Putin. What does she say? 1616 01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:26,640 John C. Dvorak: She throws it together Putin that she did. I 1617 01:36:27,030 --> 01:36:30,810 just was not my clipping her that way. She can't say Putin 1618 01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:31,080 here 1619 01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:33,540 Unknown: again with Russian President Vladimir Putin later. 1620 01:36:34,500 --> 01:36:35,040 Is 1621 01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:37,920 Adam Curry: very Putin. Putin. Putin. 1622 01:36:39,030 --> 01:36:42,330 John C. Dvorak: Was that beside the woman from YouTube? Is that 1623 01:36:42,330 --> 01:36:48,630 important? Yes. Okay, now we got a classic the new Whoa, whoa, 1624 01:36:48,630 --> 01:36:52,500 whoa, from burning. Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, 1625 01:36:52,500 --> 01:36:52,830 whoa. 1626 01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:59,250 Adam Curry: Hold on a second. Hold on. Hold on. Whoo. Whoo. 1627 01:36:59,370 --> 01:37:05,460 Whoo. Whoo. Whoo. How's that? Go again? The Bernie thing. Whoa, 1628 01:37:05,460 --> 01:37:08,130 whoa, whoa, whoa, he does he Yeah, he does. Whoa, he does. 1629 01:37:08,130 --> 01:37:11,250 Well, who am I have it here. Let me see. Yes. So let me reverse 1630 01:37:11,250 --> 01:37:17,340 this one. So this is oops, this one here. Whoa, whoa, whoa, 1631 01:37:17,340 --> 01:37:23,820 whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. And this is a different one. Now. I have 1632 01:37:23,820 --> 01:37:27,600 to find it. I like this though. This is definitely this is Whoa, 1633 01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:30,600 whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is perfect. I think 1634 01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:33,330 that's a contender. That's a big contender. contender. Yeah. 1635 01:37:33,959 --> 01:37:36,179 John C. Dvorak: And then there's the perjury ISO. 1636 01:37:36,210 --> 01:37:39,120 Unknown: So are you worried about perjury? Yeah. 1637 01:37:39,839 --> 01:37:41,759 John C. Dvorak: That's just another reporter shouting, 1638 01:37:41,790 --> 01:37:44,130 Adam Curry: I think yeah, I think I think Bernie takes it. 1639 01:37:44,910 --> 01:37:49,530 John C. Dvorak: Well, I would say so too. Okay. All right. So 1640 01:37:49,530 --> 01:37:54,960 let's go to the other. Let's go with we have Trump and Poland 1641 01:37:54,960 --> 01:38:00,360 part one. Yes. What do you have flyover and everything was 1642 01:38:00,870 --> 01:38:04,140 weight training at a Polish guy there and then he's doing sales 1643 01:38:04,830 --> 01:38:06,450 and lobbyists. Funny. 1644 01:38:06,780 --> 01:38:10,230 Unknown: Today, Washington DC saw and heard something that 1645 01:38:10,230 --> 01:38:15,330 hasn't happened in more than 100 years. It was a staged military 1646 01:38:15,330 --> 01:38:19,710 flyover of the White House, we just Xiang on what it was all 1647 01:38:19,710 --> 01:38:20,100 about. 1648 01:38:21,210 --> 01:38:25,920 A single F 35 fighter jet flew over the White House celebrating 1649 01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:30,300 two things President Trump is fond of a good deal and a good 1650 01:38:30,300 --> 01:38:34,020 show. He watched the display with Polish president Andrzej 1651 01:38:34,020 --> 01:38:37,710 Duda and their wives just minutes before making this joint 1652 01:38:37,710 --> 01:38:38,640 announcement. 1653 01:38:38,730 --> 01:38:41,430 John C. Dvorak: I was very pleased that Poland announced 1654 01:38:41,430 --> 01:38:46,950 the intent to purchase 32 American made F 35. fighter 1655 01:38:46,950 --> 01:38:48,630 aircraft like you just saw 1656 01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:52,680 Unknown: the F 35. The most expensive US weapons program 1657 01:38:52,710 --> 01:38:56,100 ever is projected to top a trillion dollars over its 1658 01:38:56,100 --> 01:39:01,380 lifespan, an hour of flight time is about $44,000. The defense 1659 01:39:01,380 --> 01:39:05,790 deal with Warsaw also includes the deployment of one to 2000 US 1660 01:39:05,790 --> 01:39:09,330 troops to Poland, which will cover the cost to support them 1661 01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:11,430 John C. Dvorak: we'd be taking them out of Germany or would be 1662 01:39:11,430 --> 01:39:13,740 moving them from another location do die had 1663 01:39:13,740 --> 01:39:16,620 Unknown: pushed for more US service members and even 1664 01:39:16,620 --> 01:39:19,590 suggested setting up the permanent base called Fort 1665 01:39:19,590 --> 01:39:20,070 Trump. 1666 01:39:22,290 --> 01:39:28,860 Adam Curry: For Trump. He's going for legacy man. Something, 1667 01:39:29,250 --> 01:39:32,220 something that can be changed in 20 years because just like Ford 1668 01:39:32,220 --> 01:39:34,230 like Confederacy, no good. 1669 01:39:34,950 --> 01:39:36,660 John C. Dvorak: They started off this report by saying they 1670 01:39:36,660 --> 01:39:40,800 haven't had a flyover since for 100 years is what she says. So 1671 01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:44,100 she's saying that in 1990, 1672 01:39:44,130 --> 01:39:46,020 Adam Curry: the Wright brothers flew Oh, 1673 01:39:46,650 --> 01:39:49,650 John C. Dvorak: who the hell? What display was flying over the 1674 01:39:49,650 --> 01:39:53,760 white house in 1990? I'd like to know I'd like to know too. Was 1675 01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:57,150 it an F 35? I don't really think now did the F 35. 1676 01:39:57,150 --> 01:40:00,270 Adam Curry: Hover? Did it to do its trick did it? 1677 01:40:00,810 --> 01:40:02,850 John C. Dvorak: No, it did. It just flew over because it can do 1678 01:40:02,850 --> 01:40:04,500 stuff. It flew over slowly though. 1679 01:40:04,530 --> 01:40:07,530 Adam Curry: Yeah, it can do a very slow pass. It's that I'm 1680 01:40:07,530 --> 01:40:12,120 impressed by the aircraft. But otherwise it's most people 1681 01:40:12,120 --> 01:40:17,880 things a piece of crap. Most business, people who have to fly 1682 01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:21,570 it think it's a piece of crap. Mine. Yeah. Well, here's 1683 01:40:21,570 --> 01:40:23,220 John C. Dvorak: part two of that report just from President 1684 01:40:23,489 --> 01:40:26,489 Unknown: Trump he up. The Polish president talked about the need 1685 01:40:26,489 --> 01:40:29,999 to beef up security in the region in response to heightened 1686 01:40:29,999 --> 01:40:33,629 Russian aggression. Mr. Trump said this about Moscow, 1687 01:40:33,750 --> 01:40:35,790 are you hope that Poland is going to have a great 1688 01:40:35,790 --> 01:40:38,430 relationship with Russia? I think it's possible. I really 1689 01:40:38,430 --> 01:40:41,730 do. I think because of what you've done and the strength and 1690 01:40:42,030 --> 01:40:43,770 maybe we help also. 1691 01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:48,510 A President Trump is expected to meet with Russian President 1692 01:40:48,510 --> 01:40:51,840 Vladimir Putin later this month on the sidelines of the G 20. 1693 01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:55,650 Summit in Japan. And with Chinese President Xi Jinping, as 1694 01:40:55,650 --> 01:40:59,550 those two leaders tried to work out a trade deal. Margaret, was 1695 01:40:59,550 --> 01:41:00,090 just sharing at 1696 01:41:00,090 --> 01:41:02,730 Adam Curry: the White House. I got one clip from this because 1697 01:41:02,730 --> 01:41:06,930 there was one topic I was particularly interested in. In 1698 01:41:06,930 --> 01:41:10,800 regards to Poland. As you recall, the President, when he 1699 01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:14,340 was still running for office, went to the Polish community and 1700 01:41:14,340 --> 01:41:19,350 said within two weeks, I will have Poland in the Visa Waiver 1701 01:41:19,350 --> 01:41:22,500 Program, which is seeing as they're a member of the European 1702 01:41:22,500 --> 01:41:26,850 Union, it is unbelievable that they have been shunned from the 1703 01:41:26,850 --> 01:41:30,450 Visa Waiver Program. You can't just hop on a plane do a little 1704 01:41:30,450 --> 01:41:33,600 extra paperwork, which you can do online and enter the United 1705 01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:39,210 States. We have many thoughts on why that is? I would say 1706 01:41:39,420 --> 01:41:41,760 John C. Dvorak: I think the main thought is is blamed on Israel. 1707 01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:45,540 Adam Curry: Yes. Well, there's there's a huge movement in the 1708 01:41:45,540 --> 01:41:49,230 United States even telling Congress, Senate and House of 1709 01:41:49,230 --> 01:41:54,540 Representatives equally, do not do business with Poland because 1710 01:41:54,570 --> 01:41:57,570 they killed the Jews were their concentration camps. I'm 1711 01:41:57,630 --> 01:42:01,020 paraphrasing, but that's kind of what it comes down to. And 1712 01:42:01,020 --> 01:42:01,920 here's what Trump said. 1713 01:42:02,009 --> 01:42:04,559 John C. Dvorak: I also want to congratulate Poland for its 1714 01:42:04,559 --> 01:42:10,319 progress on meeting us criteria for entry into the Visa Waiver 1715 01:42:10,319 --> 01:42:14,519 Program. Today, our country signed a preventing and 1716 01:42:14,519 --> 01:42:18,149 combating serious crimes agreement, a significant 1717 01:42:18,149 --> 01:42:22,439 unnecessary step for Poland's entry into the program, though 1718 01:42:22,439 --> 01:42:26,549 we still have some work to do. We hope to welcome Poland into 1719 01:42:26,549 --> 01:42:30,779 the Visa Waiver Program. Very soon. Oh, that's a very big 1720 01:42:30,779 --> 01:42:31,229 deal. 1721 01:42:31,650 --> 01:42:35,070 Adam Curry: Yeah, we'll see. There's a lot of the anti Polish 1722 01:42:35,070 --> 01:42:36,990 hatred in in our Congress. 1723 01:42:37,889 --> 01:42:39,959 John C. Dvorak: Yes. And they're the same guys who bitch and moan 1724 01:42:39,959 --> 01:42:44,189 about Trump cozying up to Netanyahu. Yeah. Yeah, who of 1725 01:42:44,189 --> 01:42:48,209 course is under attack. I have a bonus clip is kind of 1726 01:42:48,209 --> 01:42:51,689 interesting. Because I think this is kind of lame. 1727 01:42:51,900 --> 01:42:55,140 Unknown: But when Israeli voters go to the polls in September, 1728 01:42:55,170 --> 01:42:58,590 they will have one more factor to consider this time. It's the 1729 01:42:58,590 --> 01:43:02,550 Prime Minister's wife, Sarah Netanyahu has agreed to plead 1730 01:43:02,550 --> 01:43:05,700 guilty in one of several corruption cases facing the 1731 01:43:05,700 --> 01:43:08,940 Netanyahu family. Or on Lieberman explains. 1732 01:43:10,650 --> 01:43:13,560 The case against Sarah Netanyahu involves the illegal ordering of 1733 01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:16,080 catered meals to the official Prime Minister's residence in 1734 01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:18,900 Jerusalem. Sarah Netanyahu, along with a manager of the 1735 01:43:18,900 --> 01:43:22,560 residents ordered nearly $50,000 of meals according to an updated 1736 01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:25,530 indictment filed in court Wednesday. That's illegal under 1737 01:43:25,530 --> 01:43:27,810 Israeli law when there's already an official chef at the 1738 01:43:27,810 --> 01:43:31,320 residence and prosecutors say there was one at the time, Sarah 1739 01:43:31,320 --> 01:43:34,200 Netanyahu pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of unfairly taking 1740 01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:35,460 advantage of a mistake. 1741 01:43:38,190 --> 01:43:40,800 John C. Dvorak: Know what kind of what kind of a charge is 1742 01:43:40,950 --> 01:43:44,160 unfairly taking advantage of a mistake? 1743 01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:49,560 Adam Curry: It's something else do they have something losers 1744 01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:49,860 do? 1745 01:43:51,090 --> 01:43:53,880 John C. Dvorak: Loosely taking advantage of a mistake is what 1746 01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:56,460 she's charged with. He ended up in guilty 1747 01:43:56,610 --> 01:43:58,500 Adam Curry: is that that's an actual charge. 1748 01:43:59,070 --> 01:44:00,180 John C. Dvorak: Did you hear the end? 1749 01:44:00,210 --> 01:44:03,420 Adam Curry: I know, but is it really true what it was? 1750 01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:05,700 John C. Dvorak: I don't know. It just seems to 1751 01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:09,180 Adam Curry: me here the end again, that was that was when 1752 01:44:09,180 --> 01:44:10,350 Unknown: Israeli voters 1753 01:44:10,350 --> 01:44:13,560 go to the polls and that's illegal under Israeli law when 1754 01:44:13,560 --> 01:44:16,080 there's Netanyahu alone with a manager of the residence ordered 1755 01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:19,140 nearly $50,000 of meals according to an updated 1756 01:44:19,140 --> 01:44:22,110 indictment filed in court Wednesday. That's illegal under 1757 01:44:22,110 --> 01:44:24,390 Israeli law when there's already an official chef at the 1758 01:44:24,390 --> 01:44:27,900 residence and prosecutors say there was one at the time Sarah 1759 01:44:27,900 --> 01:44:30,780 Netanyahu pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of unfairly taking 1760 01:44:30,780 --> 01:44:32,040 advantage of a mistake. 1761 01:44:33,120 --> 01:44:35,490 Adam Curry: This is this must be some biblical shit. 1762 01:44:36,540 --> 01:44:40,860 John C. Dvorak: This guy What else could make sense of the Old 1763 01:44:40,860 --> 01:44:41,430 Testament? 1764 01:44:42,240 --> 01:44:44,430 Adam Curry: What else could make sense like that? 1765 01:44:46,770 --> 01:44:48,090 John C. Dvorak: Completely be fuddling 1766 01:44:48,120 --> 01:44:52,950 Adam Curry: Hey, Hillary showed up on a podcast. Ha Yes. Yes. 1767 01:44:52,980 --> 01:44:56,040 She's still running in your mind. She's still getting ready. 1768 01:44:56,040 --> 01:44:59,130 John C. Dvorak: She's ready to go to the cosmic weenie side 1769 01:44:59,130 --> 01:45:05,130 contenders. 2000 to 2020, which is linked, we linked to it all 1770 01:45:05,130 --> 01:45:07,470 the time. In fact, on the last newsletter, I believe it was 1771 01:45:07,470 --> 01:45:14,010 linked to on one of the photos. And I still have it, because I'm 1772 01:45:14,010 --> 01:45:17,430 just going by what I've witnessed is right now Biden is 1773 01:45:17,460 --> 01:45:21,090 dead. I'm sorry, Bernie is still number one in my book, followed 1774 01:45:21,090 --> 01:45:25,470 by Hillary, if she chooses to run, she will jump, immediately 1775 01:45:25,470 --> 01:45:30,090 go to that spot. And it's almost like a French, three star chef. 1776 01:45:30,270 --> 01:45:34,050 Before he opens the restaurant, they grant him to stop ours 1777 01:45:34,230 --> 01:45:38,340 without even sight unseen, right? That's my healer. That's 1778 01:45:38,340 --> 01:45:39,180 true. Well, these 1779 01:45:39,180 --> 01:45:43,860 Adam Curry: are true. These are producer produced clips from the 1780 01:45:43,890 --> 01:45:49,260 unredacted. podcast to short ones. This I found to be the 1781 01:45:49,260 --> 01:45:51,630 most interesting, do you tell them if they're if they say, 1782 01:45:51,630 --> 01:45:51,840 Hey, I'm 1783 01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:54,000 Unknown: gonna get to cybersecurity, do Tom, you might 1784 01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:55,110 want to do it yesterday? 1785 01:45:55,140 --> 01:45:59,850 John C. Dvorak: I do. I do, Emily, because, but But I, I 1786 01:45:59,850 --> 01:46:02,640 worry that it's probably too late. By the time they come to 1787 01:46:02,640 --> 01:46:07,380 see me, I would bet that the leading candidates have already 1788 01:46:07,380 --> 01:46:10,530 been hacked. This is a biggest crisis. They're both their 1789 01:46:10,530 --> 01:46:13,740 campaign account. And if they're in public office, and there 1790 01:46:13,740 --> 01:46:17,700 enough of a high profile candidate, their Senate office 1791 01:46:17,730 --> 01:46:20,700 or their congressional office or their governor's office. Yeah, 1792 01:46:20,730 --> 01:46:24,180 that's a big statement. Well, that's what I believe. 1793 01:46:24,719 --> 01:46:28,349 Adam Curry: And she would be the one to know, considering the 1794 01:46:28,349 --> 01:46:33,299 political spying that she allegedly made between 2012 and 1795 01:46:33,299 --> 01:46:39,539 2016. I have to say allegedly, second clip is about Clooney. Do 1796 01:46:39,539 --> 01:46:39,629 you 1797 01:46:39,630 --> 01:46:42,840 Unknown: want to hear my crazy idea? Yes, I love so this is a 1798 01:46:42,840 --> 01:46:46,350 crazy idea. But I think it's brilliant. They came up with it. 1799 01:46:47,370 --> 01:46:50,340 George Clooney should run for Mitch McConnell Senate seat. 1800 01:46:51,269 --> 01:46:53,129 John C. Dvorak: That's a wonderful idea. There's not a 1801 01:46:53,129 --> 01:46:58,109 chance in whatever. And he would do that. I mean, and besides, I 1802 01:46:58,109 --> 01:47:02,669 think Amal would probably kill him with the twins and 1803 01:47:02,669 --> 01:47:05,009 everything going on in their lives. But he'd be great. 1804 01:47:07,020 --> 01:47:09,060 Adam Curry: We always knew she was the handler, but you don't 1805 01:47:09,060 --> 01:47:13,860 have to be that explicit about it. Hill. Oh, crazy. 1806 01:47:16,620 --> 01:47:18,390 John C. Dvorak: Well, yes, since I missed it, 1807 01:47:18,990 --> 01:47:21,720 Adam Curry: yeah. Not just on the State Department and the 1808 01:47:21,720 --> 01:47:29,010 spying stuff. And this is our local US politics. So there's, 1809 01:47:29,220 --> 01:47:36,090 there's an important piece of information that came out about 1810 01:47:36,090 --> 01:47:42,720 the steel dossier as it relates to the State Department. And not 1811 01:47:42,720 --> 01:47:45,870 necessarily this is when I believe John Kerry was running 1812 01:47:46,110 --> 01:47:53,430 the State Department. And it's the first one is about this. The 1813 01:47:53,430 --> 01:48:01,260 Ukrainian guy Kilimnik, I think his name is who was then one of 1814 01:48:01,260 --> 01:48:04,260 the main reasons I think Manafort went to jail, is 1815 01:48:04,260 --> 01:48:08,910 because he was talking to Kilimnik and was giving Kilimnik 1816 01:48:08,910 --> 01:48:13,380 the polling results, the secret polling results and passing on 1817 01:48:13,380 --> 01:48:16,530 information, even though Manafort wasn't convicted of any 1818 01:48:16,530 --> 01:48:19,950 of that stuff, as far as I know. That was really the insinuations 1819 01:48:19,950 --> 01:48:22,710 like, oh, you know, he was with Kilimnik with Clem Nick was 1820 01:48:22,710 --> 01:48:25,080 Russia ties to Russia, oligarchs, Russia, Russia, 1821 01:48:25,080 --> 01:48:25,590 Russia, Russia, 1822 01:48:25,860 --> 01:48:28,140 Unknown: and a key finding of the Mueller report Ukrainian 1823 01:48:28,140 --> 01:48:31,710 businessman and Constantine Kilimnik who worked for Trump 1824 01:48:31,710 --> 01:48:35,250 campaign chairman Paul Manafort is tied to Russian intelligence 1825 01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:37,920 but hundreds of pages of government documents which 1826 01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:42,000 Special Counsel Robert Mueller possess since 2018. Describe 1827 01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:46,140 Kilimnik as a quote sensitive intelligence source for the US 1828 01:48:46,140 --> 01:48:49,320 State Department who informed on Ukrainian and Russian matters 1829 01:48:49,350 --> 01:48:52,710 why Muller's team omitted that part of the Kilimnik narrative 1830 01:48:52,740 --> 01:48:56,040 from its report and related court filings is not known, but 1831 01:48:56,040 --> 01:48:59,220 the revelation of it comes as the accuracy of Muller's Russia 1832 01:48:59,220 --> 01:49:03,120 conclusions face increased scrutiny. Solomon continues, 1833 01:49:03,150 --> 01:49:07,080 quote, the incomplete portrayal of Kilimnik is so important to 1834 01:49:07,080 --> 01:49:10,110 Muller's overall narrative that it is raised in the opening of 1835 01:49:10,110 --> 01:49:14,580 his report, the FBI assesses Kilimnik to have ties to Russian 1836 01:49:14,580 --> 01:49:18,900 intelligence molars team wrote on page six, putting a sinister 1837 01:49:18,900 --> 01:49:23,100 light on every context Clem Nick had with Manafort, the former 1838 01:49:23,100 --> 01:49:24,510 Trump campaign chairman. 1839 01:49:25,710 --> 01:49:27,450 Adam Curry: We gotta get these millennials out of the news 1840 01:49:27,450 --> 01:49:28,290 business girl 1841 01:49:28,290 --> 01:49:29,940 John C. Dvorak: on ecstasy, you're sad. 1842 01:49:31,980 --> 01:49:33,810 Adam Curry: said we gotta get these kids out of the news 1843 01:49:33,810 --> 01:49:38,400 business. So along with that goes, goes the next clip, which 1844 01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:42,870 is Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch, who is apparently living with 1845 01:49:42,870 --> 01:49:45,930 Sean Hannity now to make sure he's on the air every night. 1846 01:49:46,589 --> 01:49:49,409 Unknown: There was more than one dossier. You had the steel 1847 01:49:49,409 --> 01:49:54,089 dossier. And it looks like you had a dossier created by 1848 01:49:54,389 --> 01:49:58,919 Jonathan Winer at the State Department using as a source not 1849 01:49:58,919 --> 01:50:03,149 only steel but Folks like Sidney Blumenthal Clinton aide or 1850 01:50:03,209 --> 01:50:07,769 Powell, and Cody shear who goes back for a long time with the 1851 01:50:07,769 --> 01:50:11,429 Clinton group. This is just incredible in the sense that 1852 01:50:11,699 --> 01:50:14,519 everyone's been thinking that is to just department, the FBI. 1853 01:50:14,519 --> 01:50:17,399 That's where the all the bad activities was taking place. 1854 01:50:17,909 --> 01:50:22,499 Secretary Pompeo needs to be working with ag Barr as closely 1855 01:50:22,499 --> 01:50:27,419 as any other agency head in terms of decoding the deep state 1856 01:50:27,419 --> 01:50:30,809 conspiracy against then candidate Trump. And then 1857 01:50:31,019 --> 01:50:34,229 President Trump and they were they were desperate to get this 1858 01:50:34,229 --> 01:50:38,669 information out to their friendly Democrats on the Hill, 1859 01:50:38,789 --> 01:50:41,309 just before Trump was inaugurated. And it wasn't to 1860 01:50:41,309 --> 01:50:43,499 help President Trump it was trying to destroy him and 1861 01:50:43,499 --> 01:50:44,039 undermine him. 1862 01:50:45,240 --> 01:50:48,660 Adam Curry: Everyone who was who was paying close attention to 1863 01:50:48,660 --> 01:50:51,960 this all jacked up. Oh, yeah, they're going down. People go 1864 01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:53,700 into jail. And I don't think so. 1865 01:50:54,660 --> 01:50:56,250 John C. Dvorak: I don't think I don't think so for 1866 01:50:56,250 --> 01:50:58,980 Adam Curry: a second. This is all great, but now, I really 1867 01:50:58,980 --> 01:51:04,140 don't think so. But we'll see. There are people much smarter 1868 01:51:04,140 --> 01:51:05,520 than you and I on the case. 1869 01:51:06,240 --> 01:51:09,270 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, that's probably true. But doesn't mean 1870 01:51:09,270 --> 01:51:12,090 he was going to final political. One of the big there's one big 1871 01:51:12,090 --> 01:51:15,450 story, the big story today. The story that I like is the one I'm 1872 01:51:15,450 --> 01:51:18,210 gonna like, talk about a little bit, which is the census report. 1873 01:51:18,780 --> 01:51:23,040 And the question in the scandal, because they have geo Trump 1874 01:51:23,040 --> 01:51:24,960 saying something, you know, on the air and it's 1875 01:51:26,130 --> 01:51:29,220 Adam Curry: the census report or just the census. What exactly 1876 01:51:29,220 --> 01:51:29,340 the 1877 01:51:29,340 --> 01:51:31,500 John C. Dvorak: census is the question that's on the census 1878 01:51:31,500 --> 01:51:32,250 that asked for 1879 01:51:32,520 --> 01:51:34,440 Adam Curry: your citizen if you're a citizen or not. Yeah. 1880 01:51:35,520 --> 01:51:38,700 John C. Dvorak: Yeah. So we have two clips on this. Okay. First, 1881 01:51:38,700 --> 01:51:41,490 let's play this with this the contempt over the census 1882 01:51:41,490 --> 01:51:44,670 question. If the clip I'm thinking of it's a gem 1883 01:51:44,790 --> 01:51:47,550 Unknown: across the Capitol, another vote to hold the 1884 01:51:47,550 --> 01:51:50,940 attorney general in contempt of Congress and the commerce 1885 01:51:50,940 --> 01:51:54,630 secretary to the Democrats who lead the House Oversight 1886 01:51:54,630 --> 01:51:57,780 Committee said the men had stonewalled efforts to 1887 01:51:57,780 --> 01:52:01,950 investigate how a controversial new citizenship question ended 1888 01:52:01,950 --> 01:52:04,950 up in the US Census that's designed 1889 01:52:05,130 --> 01:52:07,470 John C. Dvorak: to intimidate and then still fear. 1890 01:52:07,740 --> 01:52:11,880 The administration retaliated by exerting executive privilege 1891 01:52:11,880 --> 01:52:15,720 over the census documents Congress wants, as the President 1892 01:52:15,810 --> 01:52:17,520 defended the new question, 1893 01:52:17,850 --> 01:52:21,420 I think when you have a census, and you're not allowed to talk 1894 01:52:21,420 --> 01:52:24,750 about whether or not somebody's a citizen or not, that doesn't 1895 01:52:24,750 --> 01:52:25,770 sound so good to me. 1896 01:52:26,190 --> 01:52:29,070 Unknown: The supreme court is expected to rule this month on 1897 01:52:29,070 --> 01:52:32,820 whether the citizenship question can be included in the 2020 1898 01:52:32,820 --> 01:52:36,690 census. Experts have warned that the question will discourage 1899 01:52:36,690 --> 01:52:39,960 some immigrant families from filling out the forms. Thereby 1900 01:52:39,960 --> 01:52:41,010 Margaret, skewing 1901 01:52:41,160 --> 01:52:42,210 population data. 1902 01:52:43,560 --> 01:52:45,750 John C. Dvorak: Okay, all right. That wasn't the clip. I want it 1903 01:52:45,750 --> 01:52:46,260 but that's 1904 01:52:46,500 --> 01:52:49,230 Adam Curry: fine. It was okay. So that's the background. Yeah. 1905 01:52:50,820 --> 01:52:54,630 John C. Dvorak: Play the clip contempt. Well, that's the one I 1906 01:52:54,630 --> 01:52:55,380 just sent this. 1907 01:52:55,440 --> 01:52:58,170 Adam Curry: That's the one I just played. You play contempt? 1908 01:52:58,200 --> 01:53:01,290 Yeah. Contempt over census question. Oh, 1909 01:53:01,920 --> 01:53:04,140 John C. Dvorak: that's weird. Okay, play the bonus clip. 1910 01:53:04,140 --> 01:53:06,870 Dennis's bonus Trump on census. 1911 01:53:08,070 --> 01:53:11,100 Adam Curry: I don't have oh, yes, I do. No. Exec privilege. 1912 01:53:11,100 --> 01:53:12,030 Yes. President 1913 01:53:12,570 --> 01:53:16,020 Unknown: spoke about invoking executive privilege. Let's 1914 01:53:16,020 --> 01:53:16,980 listen. Well, I 1915 01:53:16,980 --> 01:53:19,860 John C. Dvorak: think that I'm not overly involved in that 1916 01:53:19,860 --> 01:53:22,560 that's really a legal matter. But I think when you have a 1917 01:53:22,560 --> 01:53:26,040 census, and you're not allowed to talk about whether or not 1918 01:53:26,040 --> 01:53:29,220 somebody's a citizen or not, that doesn't sound so good to 1919 01:53:29,220 --> 01:53:32,490 me. Can you imagine you send out a census, and you're not allowed 1920 01:53:32,490 --> 01:53:36,120 to say whether or not a person's an American citizen? In Poland? 1921 01:53:36,120 --> 01:53:39,690 They'd say they're either polish or they're not right. So I don't 1922 01:53:39,690 --> 01:53:43,470 want to get you into this battle. But it's it's it's 1923 01:53:43,470 --> 01:53:47,880 ridiculous. I think it's I think it's totally ridiculous that we 1924 01:53:47,880 --> 01:53:51,240 would have a census without asking, but the Supreme Court is 1925 01:53:51,240 --> 01:53:54,750 going to be ruling on it soon. I think when a census goes out, 1926 01:53:54,750 --> 01:53:57,060 you should find out whether or not and you have the right to 1927 01:53:57,060 --> 01:54:00,630 ask whether or not somebody is a citizen of the United States. 1928 01:54:01,710 --> 01:54:04,230 Unknown: A controversial decision there, because it is 1929 01:54:04,230 --> 01:54:07,890 not a citizenship poll. It is a population poll. And some 1930 01:54:07,890 --> 01:54:10,110 critics say that this would dissuade some people from being 1931 01:54:10,110 --> 01:54:12,780 counted the issue to him he actually seems to be condoning 1932 01:54:12,780 --> 01:54:15,390 the idea of knowing who's a citizen and who is not even 1933 01:54:15,390 --> 01:54:18,450 though this information is not supposed to be shared. That's 1934 01:54:18,450 --> 01:54:21,540 not what someone taking the census would believe if they 1935 01:54:21,540 --> 01:54:22,920 were filling out that question. 1936 01:54:22,950 --> 01:54:27,660 Absolutely. It is, is something that we have not seen before and 1937 01:54:27,660 --> 01:54:30,750 that is why the Supreme Court is going to have to decide it. You 1938 01:54:30,750 --> 01:54:34,830 no involved or not. He has made his views extremely clear. 1939 01:54:35,700 --> 01:54:37,260 Adam Curry: I thought we had seen this before. 1940 01:54:38,730 --> 01:54:41,280 I thought it was on the Census at one point in history, wasn't 1941 01:54:41,280 --> 01:54:41,460 it? 1942 01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:44,040 John C. Dvorak: It may or may not have been but I'm more 1943 01:54:44,040 --> 01:54:47,850 interested in this in this skewed or skewed presentation by 1944 01:54:47,850 --> 01:54:51,120 CNN. I don't know who this woman is. It was Dana Bash she was 1945 01:54:51,240 --> 01:54:54,300 doing. She was interviewing as though she's someone to be 1946 01:54:54,300 --> 01:54:56,790 interviewed. She's a reporter as reporters interviewing 1947 01:54:56,790 --> 01:54:58,710 reporters. But what she 1948 01:54:58,710 --> 01:55:01,500 Adam Curry: she states she She's married to who used to be 1949 01:55:01,500 --> 01:55:04,020 married to some, like, agency guy. 1950 01:55:05,339 --> 01:55:08,729 John C. Dvorak: danobat. Yeah, I think so. Could be. Yeah. But 1951 01:55:08,729 --> 01:55:11,579 she goes on she makes this comment which sticks into Korea 1952 01:55:11,579 --> 01:55:15,539 was stick in some people's minds. As First of all, let's 1953 01:55:15,569 --> 01:55:19,889 talk about this the census thing. After I bring up at least 1954 01:55:19,889 --> 01:55:20,969 this one point, let 1955 01:55:20,970 --> 01:55:23,040 Adam Curry: me read from let me read from the United States 1956 01:55:23,040 --> 01:55:26,940 Constitution Article One section two, it states, quote, 1957 01:55:27,090 --> 01:55:31,260 representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the 1958 01:55:31,260 --> 01:55:35,040 states according to their respective numbers. The actual 1959 01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:38,550 enumeration shall be made within three years after the first 1960 01:55:38,550 --> 01:55:41,400 meeting of the Congress of the United States and when within 1961 01:55:41,400 --> 01:55:46,830 every subsequent term of 10 years, section two of the 14th 1962 01:55:46,830 --> 01:55:51,570 Amendment states representatives shall be apportioned among the 1963 01:55:51,570 --> 01:55:54,090 several States according to their respective numbers 1964 01:55:54,090 --> 01:55:57,780 counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding 1965 01:55:57,810 --> 01:55:59,670 Indians not taxed. 1966 01:56:01,680 --> 01:56:02,220 That's it. 1967 01:56:03,060 --> 01:56:08,460 John C. Dvorak: And so she says she says it's not a citizen 1968 01:56:08,460 --> 01:56:11,940 poll. It's not a poll. She says it was not as poll at all she 1969 01:56:11,940 --> 01:56:15,870 says it's not a citizen poll. It's a population poll. It's not 1970 01:56:15,870 --> 01:56:18,450 a poll, it's a count. But when she says that I want to read 1971 01:56:18,450 --> 01:56:23,220 from the first page of the Census Bureau's website. The 1972 01:56:23,220 --> 01:56:25,290 first census counted the population to provide 1973 01:56:25,290 --> 01:56:29,760 information on population by country by county in 1790. The 1974 01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:35,340 census also categorized white males by age, those under 16 and 1975 01:56:35,340 --> 01:56:36,990 those aged 16 and older. 1976 01:56:37,019 --> 01:56:39,689 Adam Curry: That's a race that's race. Hello, race. That's not a 1977 01:56:39,689 --> 01:56:40,979 part of the job as a 1978 01:56:40,980 --> 01:56:44,340 John C. Dvorak: white male. Yes. And it's not a white male poll. 1979 01:56:44,430 --> 01:56:48,270 It's a population poll over that nobody said that. Over the years 1980 01:56:48,270 --> 01:56:50,820 Congress has authorized additional questions, enabling 1981 01:56:50,820 --> 01:56:54,000 us to better understand the nation's inhabitants and their 1982 01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:57,060 activities and knees. In fact, one of the nation's founders 1983 01:56:57,060 --> 01:57:00,780 James Madison suggested that in the that the Census takers ask 1984 01:57:00,810 --> 01:57:04,830 additional questions that would help lawmakers better understand 1985 01:57:04,830 --> 01:57:08,220 the needs of the nation. Wait a minute, is just a population 1986 01:57:08,220 --> 01:57:11,340 poll. And it goes on with all the examples that they started 1987 01:57:11,340 --> 01:57:15,090 asking about how many children were born, but to a specific 1988 01:57:15,090 --> 01:57:17,640 woman, how many Hispanics there are the growth of the Spanish 1989 01:57:17,640 --> 01:57:20,580 population, computer usage apparently has gotten into the 1990 01:57:20,580 --> 01:57:25,620 poll, the poll, the census, the census, the census itself. But 1991 01:57:25,620 --> 01:57:29,400 so this is disingenuous to say it's not a it's not a citizen, 1992 01:57:29,400 --> 01:57:31,020 Polis population poll, 1993 01:57:31,050 --> 01:57:34,380 Adam Curry: all all of this is bullshit. The only thing that 1994 01:57:34,380 --> 01:57:38,880 needs to be done is enumeration counting, it's only count 1995 01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:41,880 everything else that has been put in and has been used before, 1996 01:57:41,880 --> 01:57:46,470 after the after the this was in the Constitution is outside of 1997 01:57:46,470 --> 01:57:49,050 the scope. It should be. You shouldn't even have to say how 1998 01:57:49,050 --> 01:57:52,740 many people live in my house. It's everyone's go out. We count 1999 01:57:52,740 --> 01:57:53,850 everybody and go home. 2000 01:57:53,910 --> 01:57:56,400 John C. Dvorak: That's it. Yeah. They gave a date with that ended 2001 01:57:56,400 --> 01:58:00,990 about 18. Oh, of course it did. Just saying. But if you're going 2002 01:58:00,990 --> 01:58:04,290 to ask a bunch of questions, I don't think that the citizenship 2003 01:58:04,290 --> 01:58:09,870 question is out of the ordinary? No. So I'll take that. But I'm 2004 01:58:09,870 --> 01:58:13,560 going to take the side of the other side and try to understand 2005 01:58:13,560 --> 01:58:16,110 what they're thinking I know what they're thinking. They're 2006 01:58:16,110 --> 01:58:19,590 worried sick, and they talk about it. The Democrats I'm 2007 01:58:19,590 --> 01:58:23,130 talking about here are worried sick that because the question 2008 01:58:23,160 --> 01:58:29,310 just appears that all this you know the illegals that 30 2009 01:58:29,310 --> 01:58:32,700 million or 10 million, or how many million you want to count, 2010 01:58:33,750 --> 01:58:37,050 won't answer the question they won't take, they will eliminate 2011 01:58:37,050 --> 01:58:40,770 themselves from the polls, by just by their nature of being 2012 01:58:40,770 --> 01:58:44,400 suspicious and with good reason, I'd say but they're suspicious 2013 01:58:44,400 --> 01:58:48,120 so they won't take up. And it'll lower the numbers in states like 2014 01:58:48,120 --> 01:58:53,460 California and Texas, in areas where there's a large immigrant 2015 01:58:53,460 --> 01:58:59,220 community of illegals, illegal aliens, I'll use the term and 2016 01:58:59,220 --> 01:59:03,570 that the numbers will be skewed which will give the whites more 2017 01:59:03,570 --> 01:59:08,130 power over the over the illegals in Congress and over the 2018 01:59:08,130 --> 01:59:11,400 Democrats in particular, because these people, they the 2019 01:59:11,400 --> 01:59:15,630 Democrats, in a funny way, are admitting that the illegals, 2020 01:59:15,960 --> 01:59:21,060 vote for them almost exclusively, and they need to be 2021 01:59:21,330 --> 01:59:24,960 counted so we can get more. You know, we can apportion more 2022 01:59:24,990 --> 01:59:29,700 representatives to areas that are largely illegal aliens that 2023 01:59:29,730 --> 01:59:34,470 will represent the Democrat Party in Congress. So it's both 2024 01:59:34,470 --> 01:59:37,800 sides are kind of playing a game here. Yeah, they're not quite 2025 01:59:37,800 --> 01:59:40,020 bringing it out the way you know, the Republicans are 2026 01:59:40,050 --> 01:59:43,380 playing the denial. I don't know. I don't think so. Don't we 2027 01:59:43,380 --> 01:59:46,260 we're not trying to pull a stunt. And the Democrats aren't 2028 01:59:46,260 --> 01:59:49,800 quite saying what I just said, which is yeah, they're pulling a 2029 01:59:49,800 --> 01:59:52,680 stunt to screw us because all these illegal aliens are voting 2030 01:59:52,680 --> 01:59:56,700 for US illegally. And so we have to put up with these news 2031 01:59:56,700 --> 02:00:00,210 stories that are half assed and women like this anchors Dang 2032 02:00:00,210 --> 02:00:04,740 world's not a citizenship poll. It's a it's a population poll. 2033 02:00:06,690 --> 02:00:09,180 Adam Curry: I like I like your Dana Bash voice. 2034 02:00:10,440 --> 02:00:12,090 John C. Dvorak: Well, was it Dana Bash that was doing it? 2035 02:00:13,860 --> 02:00:17,430 Adam Curry: I'm sorry that the anchor well strictly taken from 2036 02:00:17,430 --> 02:00:21,480 the Constitution. It was just a headcount done and it didn't 2037 02:00:21,480 --> 02:00:26,160 matter at the time if you were citizen or not. I don't think 2038 02:00:26,160 --> 02:00:30,330 that passports that they did. Maybe they do, right. Did they 2039 02:00:30,330 --> 02:00:31,200 have passports? 2040 02:00:31,710 --> 02:00:34,890 John C. Dvorak: I don't know passports. In fact, it was just 2041 02:00:35,130 --> 02:00:37,290 passports have disappeared throughout history on and off 2042 02:00:37,290 --> 02:00:41,160 again. Apparently the last global effort to globalize the 2043 02:00:41,160 --> 02:00:44,310 world you know globalized that will the country's was just 2044 02:00:44,310 --> 02:00:48,450 before this is a bad story. I mean, I I've researched it 2045 02:00:48,450 --> 02:00:55,290 somewhat, but just before World War One. The passport situation 2046 02:00:55,290 --> 02:00:57,990 with Schengen was like really the thing because we were 2047 02:00:57,990 --> 02:01:01,740 globalizing it'd be going great and global trade was way up and 2048 02:01:01,740 --> 02:01:04,530 the numbers look good. But because there's no passports and 2049 02:01:04,530 --> 02:01:06,990 no citizenships or people just roaming around, that's how that 2050 02:01:06,990 --> 02:01:10,800 guy just roamed over to Austria wherever he went to shoot that 2051 02:01:10,800 --> 02:01:15,780 guy that started World War One. Yes, France fair. For all for 2052 02:01:15,840 --> 02:01:21,300 like it kind of is now in Europe for just floating around. And 2053 02:01:21,690 --> 02:01:24,900 there was no the passports were just they came back into vogue 2054 02:01:24,900 --> 02:01:30,480 after the World War One. And this is leading this now we got 2055 02:01:30,480 --> 02:01:33,480 the same repeating of history. And we're going to lead to 2056 02:01:33,780 --> 02:01:35,730 another war some sort. Yeah. 2057 02:01:37,470 --> 02:01:40,590 Adam Curry: You know, there was a, a brief period in the history 2058 02:01:40,590 --> 02:01:42,600 of the show where we were talking about, I think, was in 2059 02:01:42,600 --> 02:01:47,220 Texas, to now I should probably run for Congress. And we we 2060 02:01:47,220 --> 02:01:51,990 discussed this a little bit. And at a certain point, if I recall 2061 02:01:52,140 --> 02:01:56,490 IIRC, that you said it would be great, because we would love to 2062 02:01:56,490 --> 02:02:01,200 see the slow corruption of Adam curry. Do you recall this 2063 02:02:01,320 --> 02:02:02,850 John C. Dvorak: member saying that, but it's something like 2064 02:02:02,850 --> 02:02:03,330 say, 2065 02:02:03,900 --> 02:02:07,920 Adam Curry: Alexandria, Ocasio Cortez is actually going through 2066 02:02:07,920 --> 02:02:13,800 that process right now. And right, and this clip is her on 2067 02:02:13,800 --> 02:02:17,520 the street, or the being interviewed on the streets of 2068 02:02:17,520 --> 02:02:23,610 DC, after she had just voted for a pay increase for all of 2069 02:02:23,610 --> 02:02:29,250 Congress. And these things are always very interesting these 2070 02:02:29,250 --> 02:02:34,080 pay increases, the population in general hates it. And why 2071 02:02:34,080 --> 02:02:40,080 because well, a congress critter makes, I think $170,000 a year. 2072 02:02:40,830 --> 02:02:47,430 And this was a $4,500 annual pay increase, to make up for what we 2073 02:02:47,430 --> 02:02:53,220 call the cost of living. Now, it's always a tough one for 2074 02:02:53,220 --> 02:02:57,930 politicians, because of course, they want more money. But it's a 2075 02:02:57,930 --> 02:03:01,440 lot of money they're already getting, you probably need a lot 2076 02:03:01,440 --> 02:03:07,830 of money to be a politician and function in in DC. So she so she 2077 02:03:07,830 --> 02:03:14,130 voted for, for the pay increase. Her defense is mind boggling, 2078 02:03:14,940 --> 02:03:20,040 especially with the modern monetary theory that she and her 2079 02:03:20,280 --> 02:03:24,510 like minded colleagues espouse, which is print as much money as 2080 02:03:24,510 --> 02:03:29,340 we need green New Deal 10 trillion before that is exactly 2081 02:03:29,370 --> 02:03:34,620 what creates the disparity in wages and cost of living. When 2082 02:03:34,620 --> 02:03:39,240 you inflate the money supply, the money becomes less valuable, 2083 02:03:39,420 --> 02:03:43,650 and you need more of it to buy goods and services and pay rent 2084 02:03:43,650 --> 02:03:48,960 or mortgages etc. That is a hidden tax, it diminishes the 2085 02:03:48,960 --> 02:03:55,860 value of your money. So for anyone to on one hand, say oh, 2086 02:03:55,860 --> 02:03:59,700 we really need to, you know, we need this pay increase, but on 2087 02:03:59,700 --> 02:04:02,940 the other hand, wants to inflate the money supply by a factor of 2088 02:04:02,970 --> 02:04:08,820 100. It's It's kind of insane. But listen to how she defends 2089 02:04:08,940 --> 02:04:10,440 voting for this pay increase 2090 02:04:10,500 --> 02:04:13,140 Unknown: why there's so much pressure to turn to lobbying 2091 02:04:13,140 --> 02:04:16,320 firms and to cash in on on member service after people 2092 02:04:16,320 --> 02:04:21,180 leave because because precisely of of this issue, so it may be 2093 02:04:21,540 --> 02:04:25,470 politically convenient. And it may make you look good in the 2094 02:04:25,470 --> 02:04:28,560 short term for saying oh, we're not voting for pay increases, 2095 02:04:28,560 --> 02:04:31,740 but we should be fighting for pay increases for every American 2096 02:04:31,740 --> 02:04:35,370 worker, we should be fighting for a $15 minimum wage pegged to 2097 02:04:35,370 --> 02:04:39,120 inflation so that everybody in the United States with a salary 2098 02:04:39,120 --> 02:04:43,020 with with a wage gets a cost of living increase. Members of 2099 02:04:43,020 --> 02:04:46,980 Congress, retail workers, everybody should get cost of 2100 02:04:46,980 --> 02:04:49,740 living increases to accommodate for the changes in our economy. 2101 02:04:49,920 --> 02:04:53,370 And then when we don't do that it only increases the pressure 2102 02:04:53,370 --> 02:04:56,760 on members to exploit loopholes like insider trading loopholes 2103 02:04:56,880 --> 02:04:58,620 to make it on the back end. So we think 2104 02:04:58,620 --> 02:04:59,970 there's that 2105 02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:01,740 Adam Curry: So you're gonna say this again. But I just want you 2106 02:05:01,740 --> 02:05:05,460 to understand what she said, by not having enough money as a 2107 02:05:05,460 --> 02:05:09,540 politician members is what she means by not having enough money 2108 02:05:09,540 --> 02:05:15,240 for the cost of living at your 170,000 base salary. Now, it is 2109 02:05:15,240 --> 02:05:20,220 bad because this makes members want to take high paying lobby 2110 02:05:20,220 --> 02:05:25,050 jobs after they leave. And to use insider trading loopholes, 2111 02:05:25,050 --> 02:05:28,230 which we've talked about extensively on this podcast as 2112 02:05:28,350 --> 02:05:32,430 you are immune from insider trading, if you make laws, and 2113 02:05:32,430 --> 02:05:34,860 you have a law on the books, or you know about someone in 2114 02:05:34,860 --> 02:05:38,940 Congress, and it's going to affect the sector, and you buy 2115 02:05:38,940 --> 02:05:42,810 or sell stock based upon that, it is completely legal for them 2116 02:05:42,810 --> 02:05:46,050 to do as long as they report it, which is recorded somewhere in 2117 02:05:46,050 --> 02:05:48,150 the basement of the Library of Congress. 2118 02:05:48,270 --> 02:05:51,150 John C. Dvorak: They refuse to put it there these transactions 2119 02:05:51,150 --> 02:05:54,600 on online. Exactly. That's the scandal, but she's saying 2120 02:05:55,140 --> 02:05:58,050 Adam Curry: she only been out she'd been there a couple 2121 02:05:58,050 --> 02:06:00,990 months. She's already saying that she already knows she 2122 02:06:00,990 --> 02:06:03,420 already knows about the loopholes in the scams, and 2123 02:06:03,420 --> 02:06:04,590 she'll double down on it, 2124 02:06:04,920 --> 02:06:07,350 Unknown: economy. And then we'll we'll jump to that it only 2125 02:06:07,350 --> 02:06:10,890 increases the pressure on members to exploit loopholes 2126 02:06:10,890 --> 02:06:14,190 like insider trading loopholes to make it on the backend. So we 2127 02:06:14,190 --> 02:06:18,090 think there's I think there's a tendency to obviously think and 2128 02:06:18,090 --> 02:06:20,670 take it out on this institution, because it's an optics issue, 2129 02:06:20,700 --> 02:06:21,090 they don't want 2130 02:06:21,090 --> 02:06:25,530 to. And that's my issue is that it's superficial, you know, you 2131 02:06:25,530 --> 02:06:29,880 can, you can vote against pay increases all you want, it's, in 2132 02:06:29,880 --> 02:06:33,810 my opinion, voting against a PE voting against a, it's not even 2133 02:06:33,810 --> 02:06:35,160 like a race, it's a cost of 2134 02:06:35,160 --> 02:06:37,080 Adam Curry: living adjustment. So it's not even like a raise 2135 02:06:37,080 --> 02:06:39,480 its cost of living adjustment, you can vote against the cost 2136 02:06:39,480 --> 02:06:41,940 Unknown: of living adjustment all you want. And it'll look 2137 02:06:41,940 --> 02:06:45,600 good on its surface, but it will every cost of living adjustment, 2138 02:06:45,810 --> 02:06:50,220 that that gets bypassed, is voting to increase the pressure 2139 02:06:50,220 --> 02:06:54,720 to exploit loopholes, and legal loopholes to kind of lean on 2140 02:06:54,720 --> 02:07:00,210 other ways to enrich myself to service. And so my whole side of 2141 02:07:00,210 --> 02:07:05,100 it is like, it may not be optics, it may not be great 2142 02:07:05,160 --> 02:07:11,730 optics, it may not like look the best and in terms of your 2143 02:07:11,730 --> 02:07:13,980 opponents could use it as a political exploit as a political 2144 02:07:13,980 --> 02:07:17,400 issue. But in substance, you might as well be transparent 2145 02:07:17,400 --> 02:07:20,730 about a cost of living increase fight for a cost of living 2146 02:07:20,730 --> 02:07:23,760 increase for all American workers pegged the minimum wage 2147 02:07:23,760 --> 02:07:26,970 to a cost of living increase. And then on top of it to close 2148 02:07:26,970 --> 02:07:30,090 all of the loopholes that a lot of people use when it comes to, 2149 02:07:30,300 --> 02:07:33,000 you know, who's sitting on a committee and knowing what 2150 02:07:33,000 --> 02:07:36,150 legislation may be coming down the the loophole and changing 2151 02:07:36,150 --> 02:07:39,030 your stock holdings are letting you know, these are real issues. 2152 02:07:39,030 --> 02:07:41,700 And I don't think that voting against a toss of limiting case 2153 02:07:41,700 --> 02:07:45,120 is going to negate the actual issues. In fact, it only 2154 02:07:45,120 --> 02:07:47,340 increases the pressure for people to explain. 2155 02:07:48,059 --> 02:07:57,659 Adam Curry: If I were a member, and I looked at these optex. I 2156 02:07:57,659 --> 02:08:02,399 would immediately FOIA her stock holdings. She is he mentioned it 2157 02:08:02,399 --> 02:08:05,489 too many times. She's on committee she chairs the 2158 02:08:05,489 --> 02:08:08,789 committee. I'd like to know 2159 02:08:13,350 --> 02:08:15,360 John C. Dvorak: but I think she chairs the subcommittee. 2160 02:08:16,020 --> 02:08:18,660 Adam Curry: She still is she still is in committee. She knows 2161 02:08:18,660 --> 02:08:19,800 what she knows she knows 2162 02:08:19,800 --> 02:08:21,360 John C. Dvorak: what's going on. And she knows all about this 2163 02:08:21,360 --> 02:08:24,930 rule and somebody and he's she's run by this justice Democrat, 2164 02:08:24,960 --> 02:08:28,920 the team the number one team that the go to guys who once 2165 02:08:28,920 --> 02:08:32,370 Adam Curry: again were not there when she made the statement when 2166 02:08:32,370 --> 02:08:35,040 they she's loose, she's loose on the streets probably lectured 2167 02:08:35,040 --> 02:08:36,570 John C. Dvorak: her about it because she knows about it, and 2168 02:08:36,570 --> 02:08:39,900 they know about it. And so they decide they may be how did they 2169 02:08:39,900 --> 02:08:44,880 deal with their portfolio? Yeah, well, it's not in center. You 2170 02:08:44,880 --> 02:08:47,640 know, it depends on what you how you're going to define insider 2171 02:08:47,670 --> 02:08:51,840 you if you just follow legislation, and then you invest 2172 02:08:51,840 --> 02:08:55,620 or not invest is not the same as being an insider it is, even 2173 02:08:55,620 --> 02:08:59,790 though it is for the legislated people. But if you're being 2174 02:08:59,790 --> 02:09:03,840 tipped off by them, and it's not illegal for them to do it, I 2175 02:09:03,840 --> 02:09:07,920 think is legal for you to do the trading too. So they're probably 2176 02:09:07,980 --> 02:09:10,470 Adam Curry: I'm not saying I'm not saying it's illegal. I just 2177 02:09:10,470 --> 02:09:14,220 like to not I just like to know it should be public. Let's just 2178 02:09:14,370 --> 02:09:16,890 she mentioned that. That's the problem is she mentioned it 2179 02:09:16,890 --> 02:09:20,430 let's find out about it. Well, you can go into the archives and 2180 02:09:20,430 --> 02:09:23,070 you can get it but someone has to go and do the work. 2181 02:09:23,100 --> 02:09:26,340 John C. Dvorak: You have to go into Washington DC and then go 2182 02:09:26,340 --> 02:09:30,810 down and do that might not be a bad trip to make. I might do it 2183 02:09:30,810 --> 02:09:31,470 myself. 2184 02:09:33,300 --> 02:09:37,530 I'm gonna show us no agenda. Imagine all the people who could 2185 02:09:37,530 --> 02:09:39,270 do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be fun 2186 02:09:48,360 --> 02:09:49,740 Yeah, we do have a few people to thank 2187 02:09:50,730 --> 02:09:54,150 for I go to Washington DC to spend my time and 2188 02:09:54,690 --> 02:09:56,970 Adam Curry: I'm already purchasing a ticket online for 2189 02:09:56,970 --> 02:10:00,000 you. I'd love to see you go do that. You kidding. That's great. 2190 02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:00,270 Right. 2191 02:10:01,230 --> 02:10:03,630 John C. Dvorak: Do it. I mean, I got things I could do in 2192 02:10:03,630 --> 02:10:09,720 Washington DC. Okay. Oh there is again gi Bert 10. D is in v is 2193 02:10:09,720 --> 02:10:14,850 the 168. This is 168 80 donation and different note. Oh, by the 2194 02:10:14,850 --> 02:10:17,160 way, so the one of the things about today's show, we mentioned 2195 02:10:17,160 --> 02:10:20,250 Father's Day in the newsletter. So Adam is going to read 2196 02:10:20,250 --> 02:10:23,040 alongside as I go through these and we have a Father's Day call 2197 02:10:23,040 --> 02:10:26,400 out. And we have a few of them. I want to mention to the dad I 2198 02:10:26,400 --> 02:10:29,700 said I would it was an open ended donation that you could 2199 02:10:29,730 --> 02:10:32,730 donate any amount and then say hello to Dad, you do 2200 02:10:32,730 --> 02:10:35,520 Adam Curry: not have to do ghee because I did him in the meetup 2201 02:10:35,520 --> 02:10:37,920 notes. We read that one so you can go straight to Sir herb Lane 2202 02:10:37,920 --> 02:10:40,320 note. Yeah, I read the same note. That's the one I read. 2203 02:10:40,350 --> 02:10:42,840 John C. Dvorak: Okay. Sure. Herb lamb follows him up with 2204 02:10:42,840 --> 02:10:48,090 $160.16. And he is going to oh, he's going to be Earl. We should 2205 02:10:48,090 --> 02:10:49,350 put him on the upgrade list. 2206 02:10:49,380 --> 02:10:52,920 Adam Curry: Oh, let me see. Oh, I see on the list. I don't know 2207 02:10:52,920 --> 02:10:53,820 if I saw him that. 2208 02:10:54,900 --> 02:10:57,450 John C. Dvorak: My California vibe count of Georgia to Earl of 2209 02:10:57,450 --> 02:11:00,780 Georgia and such. Okay. 2210 02:11:00,809 --> 02:11:04,139 Adam Curry: Yes. This was not on the list. So I will add this 2211 02:11:04,169 --> 02:11:08,849 title change and he has a Father's Day double boob 2212 02:11:08,849 --> 02:11:12,749 donation I think is what this is 808 plus 808 for Father's Day. 2213 02:11:13,499 --> 02:11:17,399 Yeah. And it is Sir her blam becomes URL. Okay. 2214 02:11:17,430 --> 02:11:21,000 John C. Dvorak: Oh, no a call out but maybe it's for himself. 2215 02:11:21,450 --> 02:11:25,140 Double the set of boobs. Yes, sure. Shawn and MOYOCK North 2216 02:11:25,140 --> 02:11:32,610 Carolina $100. Kevin McLean. $100. Oh, yeah, we do have a 2217 02:11:32,610 --> 02:11:37,020 report. We have an A that's for reports. Kevin McLean. Kevin 2218 02:11:37,020 --> 02:11:40,980 McLean is going to report in from L the L Dhafer. region of 2219 02:11:40,980 --> 02:11:41,610 Abu Dhabi. 2220 02:11:41,640 --> 02:11:43,740 Adam Curry: Okay, hold on a second. What we need to do we 2221 02:11:43,740 --> 02:11:47,730 have new report to sound effect or something. Let me see. 2222 02:11:48,780 --> 02:11:51,000 Thunder. Here we go. We have 2223 02:11:52,320 --> 02:11:55,470 John C. Dvorak: an update here. Report from El Darfur region of 2224 02:11:55,470 --> 02:11:59,550 Abu Dhabi. It's hot. And there's a lot of sand. 2225 02:12:02,190 --> 02:12:03,180 Adam Curry: Thank you for that report. 2226 02:12:03,780 --> 02:12:07,260 John C. Dvorak: It's a report. It's a report McLean $100 Rob 2227 02:12:07,290 --> 02:12:15,270 Van Dyck $100 Alexander souls burger 808. Which I would think 2228 02:12:15,270 --> 02:12:17,550 would be a bunch of Father's Day donations. I'm going to 2229 02:12:17,550 --> 02:12:21,840 encourage people to be a Sunday show as Father's Day. Donate 808 2230 02:12:21,840 --> 02:12:24,510 and Father's Day it's a great idea. Paul Webb I do say so 2231 02:12:24,510 --> 02:12:26,190 myself. $75 Happy 2232 02:12:26,190 --> 02:12:28,590 Adam Curry: Father's days and my dad Chris Webb, who overcame a 2233 02:12:28,590 --> 02:12:31,320 heart transplant last year. I'm Happy Father's Day to John and 2234 02:12:31,320 --> 02:12:35,070 Adam gutted I missed the London meet up Sir Paul from Twickenham 2235 02:12:35,070 --> 02:12:37,290 were gutted as well, Paul, but thank you very much. 2236 02:12:38,370 --> 02:12:41,010 John C. Dvorak: Anonymous $75 2237 02:12:42,090 --> 02:12:47,550 Adam Curry: It was an honor D Day I guess. He said oh yeah. 2238 02:12:47,730 --> 02:12:48,330 Thank you. 2239 02:12:49,140 --> 02:12:51,990 John C. Dvorak: Once people read IBM in the holocaust by Edwin 2240 02:12:51,990 --> 02:12:52,530 black 2241 02:12:52,530 --> 02:12:54,600 Adam Curry: let your buddy is going to read holy cow. Isn't 2242 02:12:54,600 --> 02:12:56,160 that your friend? Yeah, he's 2243 02:12:56,160 --> 02:12:57,150 John C. Dvorak: an old friend of mine. Yeah, 2244 02:12:57,150 --> 02:12:57,930 Adam Curry: it's a good read. 2245 02:12:57,960 --> 02:13:00,750 John C. Dvorak: Great. Investigative writer. He's done 2246 02:13:00,750 --> 02:13:05,100 stuff that is jaw dropping. I don't see him anymore. I don't 2247 02:13:05,100 --> 02:13:07,770 know. You know, I should track him down. Well, he'd be a good 2248 02:13:07,770 --> 02:13:13,020 interview. There you go. Daniel Walraven 75 think it's got MC 2249 02:13:13,020 --> 02:13:13,320 clip. 2250 02:13:13,560 --> 02:13:19,710 Adam Curry: It's vol Wrotham. Law Ross's Dutch vote often Yes. 2251 02:13:19,860 --> 02:13:20,550 Well, Robin, 2252 02:13:21,210 --> 02:13:23,520 John C. Dvorak: Scott maclary 16 and 16 2253 02:13:23,610 --> 02:13:26,370 Adam Curry: longtime Boehner first time donor Could I get a D 2254 02:13:26,370 --> 02:13:29,550 douching. And a surgery karma from my father deducing now 2255 02:13:29,550 --> 02:13:34,230 karma later. You've been de Deus problem. 2256 02:13:36,390 --> 02:13:40,680 John C. Dvorak: Matthew Mongan 69. Sure. phenom in Appleton, 2257 02:13:40,680 --> 02:13:47,130 Wisconsin. 6204. An instance in condo condo rent in Carmel put 2258 02:13:47,130 --> 02:13:52,950 that at the end. Christopher dektor 5678 Gavin Haberfield 2259 02:13:52,980 --> 02:14:00,420 field to do 151 ndimension Benjamin Doolin 51. Robert deck 2260 02:14:00,420 --> 02:14:02,490 and now the following people receive $50 donors. We didn't 2261 02:14:02,490 --> 02:14:06,660 get a lot of donations. Robert, so luckily, we had to meet up 2262 02:14:06,660 --> 02:14:10,590 now. Robert Deccani in Fairfax, Virginia John Ferris and liberal 2263 02:14:10,590 --> 02:14:18,540 Kansas. Thomas Burke. 50 In Parts Unknown are a Michael boom 2264 02:14:19,020 --> 02:14:23,280 in London. I don't know I Kimberly Redman in Toronto, 2265 02:14:23,280 --> 02:14:28,410 Ontario, Robert Bruckner. Kevin Silverman in Severn, Maryland, 2266 02:14:28,890 --> 02:14:34,260 Robert Karabakh in Essex Ville, Michigan, Heather Roger Craig is 2267 02:14:34,260 --> 02:14:40,200 in Stockton, California. You can return Hava in Pine knocker Very 2268 02:14:40,200 --> 02:14:45,180 good. Cassidy Eastwood in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. She 2269 02:14:45,960 --> 02:14:50,970 lives in San Diego, California. Market Johnson and Aurora 2270 02:14:50,970 --> 02:14:55,620 Keller, Colorado, Brandon civili in Port orchard, Washington and 2271 02:14:55,620 --> 02:14:59,370 last Robert Weber of Lake Forest California and Dean Patricia 2272 02:14:59,370 --> 02:15:02,550 Worthington. In Miami, Florida let me gonna go down the list 2273 02:15:02,550 --> 02:15:07,530 and just see if there's any call outs for anyone do to do 2274 02:15:08,849 --> 02:15:16,049 Adam Curry: I do have a follow on note from Dame Lisa Do you 2275 02:15:16,049 --> 02:15:19,949 remember her from the last show was an incident there she works 2276 02:15:19,949 --> 02:15:24,989 for liberty nation.com And she did have a follow up which I 2277 02:15:25,049 --> 02:15:27,269 thought was good to share unless you have anything else any call 2278 02:15:27,269 --> 02:15:29,189 outs there that's it, but you got I have not 2279 02:15:29,190 --> 02:15:29,880 John C. Dvorak: seen anything. 2280 02:15:30,990 --> 02:15:35,790 Adam Curry: She says. Liberty nation.com poll fittingly while 2281 02:15:35,790 --> 02:15:38,550 flying across the country. Not sure everyone was happy when I 2282 02:15:38,550 --> 02:15:41,310 Oh, okay. I first heard your response to the Liberty 2283 02:15:41,310 --> 02:15:44,580 nation.com poll fittingly while flying across the country. I'm 2284 02:15:44,580 --> 02:15:47,820 not sure everyone was happy when I burst into loud spontaneous 2285 02:15:47,820 --> 02:15:52,050 laughter while listening to the show. You too are a riot if you 2286 02:15:52,980 --> 02:15:57,180 did was to clean up I am not number two at Liberty nation. I 2287 02:15:57,180 --> 02:15:59,820 am editor in chief I am number one 2288 02:16:02,040 --> 02:16:03,480 John C. Dvorak: she was number two I did 2289 02:16:03,480 --> 02:16:06,840 Adam Curry: I said I said I said she's not the number one and 2290 02:16:06,840 --> 02:16:10,620 number two because I think she didn't found the company but 2291 02:16:10,650 --> 02:16:13,380 John C. Dvorak: oh you can say well yeah you to Adam would be 2292 02:16:13,380 --> 02:16:15,840 the type that would always consider a founder 2293 02:16:15,870 --> 02:16:17,940 Adam Curry: number one yes. I don't know what I'm talking 2294 02:16:17,940 --> 02:16:21,630 about. Yes. So she is the big kahuna Editor in Chief. I will 2295 02:16:21,630 --> 02:16:25,290 tell you for certain we did not step on the pole. I double A 2296 02:16:25,290 --> 02:16:30,240 double check this double check this with Mark and Julius I 2297 02:16:30,240 --> 02:16:33,570 think it is managing editor at Liberty nation. He did say his 2298 02:16:33,570 --> 02:16:37,170 feelings are a bit hurt though. Because he actually does listen 2299 02:16:37,170 --> 02:16:41,070 to no agenda in the UK and when one of you that will be me, said 2300 02:16:41,070 --> 02:16:44,400 the author of the article who was Mark only listened to five 2301 02:16:44,400 --> 02:16:45,840 minutes he got a bit miffed. 2302 02:16:47,850 --> 02:16:49,140 John C. Dvorak: Did he go to the meetup? 2303 02:16:50,309 --> 02:16:57,239 Adam Curry: My point exactly let me see personally, I hope you 2304 02:16:57,239 --> 02:17:00,359 guys kissing makeup perhaps play him a Karma jingle that might do 2305 02:17:00,359 --> 02:17:03,329 the trick. I tried to get him to go to the meetup. But he was 2306 02:17:03,329 --> 02:17:06,509 just in London covering the anti Trump chlorinated chicken 2307 02:17:06,509 --> 02:17:10,889 protests. Oh, no, no. Well, okay, well anyway, oh, he's not 2308 02:17:10,889 --> 02:17:13,619 in his best interest and he's in the UK now in London. 2309 02:17:14,160 --> 02:17:15,870 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, they're pretty they're bitching are not 2310 02:17:15,870 --> 02:17:18,450 just in London, but around the world. They're bitching about us 2311 02:17:18,450 --> 02:17:22,530 shipping our chickens? Yeah. We chloric we dropped them in a 2312 02:17:22,950 --> 02:17:27,150 chlorinated as a chlorine bath that the chickens go through to 2313 02:17:27,150 --> 02:17:30,450 kill salmonella and make chickens you know and stuff. 2314 02:17:30,450 --> 02:17:30,720 Birds 2315 02:17:30,779 --> 02:17:34,229 Adam Curry: is a slogan here and now it's a Brexit slogan. That's 2316 02:17:34,229 --> 02:17:36,329 why it's being used here. They just say oh, yeah, you want 2317 02:17:36,329 --> 02:17:40,139 chlorinated chicken. It's, that's you hear every 10 minutes 2318 02:17:40,529 --> 02:17:45,749 in the media in the UK. And the reason why is the EU the 2319 02:17:45,749 --> 02:17:49,439 European Union's doesn't allow chlorinated chicken. They just 2320 02:17:49,439 --> 02:17:51,959 give it to you with the salmonella. So people are very, 2321 02:17:52,349 --> 02:17:56,969 very worried that it's natural when they Brexit, then then 2322 02:17:56,969 --> 02:17:59,819 they'll only be eating chlorinated chicken. It's one of 2323 02:17:59,819 --> 02:18:00,389 those times 2324 02:18:00,780 --> 02:18:03,300 John C. Dvorak: guessing although I don't know if this is 2325 02:18:03,300 --> 02:18:05,700 a fact but it would seems likely because this equipment is being 2326 02:18:05,700 --> 02:18:09,780 manufactured and sold by the group Boatload that the chicken 2327 02:18:09,780 --> 02:18:14,010 in coming out of those, those robot factories in Holland 2328 02:18:14,010 --> 02:18:19,590 largely have a gamma radiation exposure at the end of the line 2329 02:18:19,590 --> 02:18:23,370 and you blast the chicken with some gamma radiation and that 2330 02:18:23,370 --> 02:18:26,850 which we should be doing here. And that would kill that would 2331 02:18:26,850 --> 02:18:30,840 do the job of the chlorine. Well, it would internalize it 2332 02:18:30,840 --> 02:18:31,740 too. And I think 2333 02:18:31,740 --> 02:18:34,590 Adam Curry: we we concluded on the last show, it's a dumb meat. 2334 02:18:35,340 --> 02:18:39,750 And I think everyone who reads Dmitri done me by the way, guys, 2335 02:18:39,750 --> 02:18:43,950 Liberty nation is a conservative website. While we do have two 2336 02:18:43,950 --> 02:18:47,040 staunch libertarians on our writing staff of 12 authors We 2337 02:18:47,040 --> 02:18:50,700 are primarily a run of the mill group of deplorables because we 2338 02:18:50,700 --> 02:18:54,390 are Liberty nation I kind of feel live and let live is the 2339 02:18:54,390 --> 02:18:57,210 best policy I am curious as to why you thought we were 2340 02:18:57,210 --> 02:19:01,080 primarily a libertarian site well because on your site it 2341 02:19:01,080 --> 02:19:04,170 says you got libertarians and gays and blacks and Jews and 2342 02:19:04,170 --> 02:19:07,080 whatever so I figured you couldn't be conservative that 2343 02:19:07,080 --> 02:19:08,220 doesn't sound right. 2344 02:19:09,900 --> 02:19:10,980 We were just questioning 2345 02:19:11,789 --> 02:19:16,889 John C. Dvorak: as usual. Okay. What No, I mean I don't know one 2346 02:19:16,889 --> 02:19:19,979 way or the other I'm unbelt my pay more attention that site 2347 02:19:19,979 --> 02:19:22,769 it's nice it's good site to candles things properly. 2348 02:19:22,889 --> 02:19:26,009 Adam Curry: That's it that's it Well, I think you said they see 2349 02:19:26,009 --> 02:19:28,229 more libertarian it doesn't matter it's just a label 2350 02:19:29,130 --> 02:19:33,000 John C. Dvorak: said that because I think that yeah, okay. 2351 02:19:33,360 --> 02:19:36,150 Adam Curry: No one cares if you got good information. 2352 02:19:36,660 --> 02:19:37,890 John C. Dvorak: This is fine. Yeah, well, she's 2353 02:19:37,890 --> 02:19:39,600 Adam Curry: editor in chief she's the number one she has 2354 02:19:39,600 --> 02:19:43,110 every right to she's a dame Editor in Chief. As usual. You 2355 02:19:43,110 --> 02:19:46,140 guys were right on I queried the staff as to whether this poll 2356 02:19:46,140 --> 02:19:49,560 focuses on only conservative podcasts or podcasts 2357 02:19:49,560 --> 02:19:53,250 conservatives love to download and listen to. It is indeed what 2358 02:19:53,250 --> 02:19:57,060 they prefer to listen to. So we added an asterix or asked tick 2359 02:19:57,150 --> 02:20:04,860 as as The what's his face would say, Al Sharpton stick we add an 2360 02:20:04,860 --> 02:20:07,920 AST tic in the story for clarification with a hat tip to 2361 02:20:07,920 --> 02:20:13,110 no agenda. Oh, they went back and edited very good. So yes. 2362 02:20:13,140 --> 02:20:16,440 Now she has one question. Just a couple of other beautiful things 2363 02:20:16,440 --> 02:20:19,260 to say. But she says yes, Dame is nice, but if we're dishing 2364 02:20:19,260 --> 02:20:25,050 out title, she'd like to be known as a lady. And I think if 2365 02:20:25,050 --> 02:20:28,530 you're Dame then you by definition, Our Lady so and so. 2366 02:20:28,770 --> 02:20:33,990 Because a knight is sir. So a dame is a lady. And I think Lady 2367 02:20:33,990 --> 02:20:35,130 Lisa sounds good. 2368 02:20:36,780 --> 02:20:39,420 John C. Dvorak: Okay, it's what should be referred to? That's 2369 02:20:39,420 --> 02:20:43,110 fine. Okay. And we can put that in the notes. Yeah, we'll do 2370 02:20:43,110 --> 02:20:46,680 that. So the name of the game was to be referred to as Lady. 2371 02:20:46,680 --> 02:20:50,340 That's fine. We got it. It's approved, immediately approved 2372 02:20:50,340 --> 02:20:53,940 by the peerage committee. You heard ad hoc? 2373 02:20:54,630 --> 02:20:56,910 Adam Curry: Well, thank you to everyone who supported the 2374 02:20:56,910 --> 02:21:00,720 program. For this show. Obviously, we always want to 2375 02:21:00,720 --> 02:21:05,490 thank people who come in under the $50 mark, which is a secure 2376 02:21:05,490 --> 02:21:08,580 level we put in for people who'd like to support the program, but 2377 02:21:08,580 --> 02:21:12,360 be anonymous. Also. It's where a lot of our subscriptions come 2378 02:21:12,360 --> 02:21:17,700 from. And I do have one important message. The 3333 2379 02:21:17,700 --> 02:21:21,300 boarding pass, or what I've said pod, we have the podcast license 2380 02:21:23,700 --> 02:21:27,840 at podcast licensed.com, in which I was adding subdomains 2381 02:21:27,840 --> 02:21:30,420 for for everyone who had a podcast license, and we got 2382 02:21:30,420 --> 02:21:34,890 another request for for one. And so it would be like your name 2383 02:21:34,890 --> 02:21:38,760 here dot podcast licensed.com. And I went to do a new one. And 2384 02:21:38,760 --> 02:21:42,870 lo and behold, whoever registered podcast licensed.com 2385 02:21:43,080 --> 02:21:47,640 has not renewed it. But I can't hijack it yet. So if you 2386 02:21:47,640 --> 02:21:51,780 registered podcast licensed.com, could you please either give me 2387 02:21:51,780 --> 02:21:57,630 a transfer code? Or could you? Could you re re register it so 2388 02:21:57,630 --> 02:21:59,580 we can continue with the spine promotion? 2389 02:22:00,120 --> 02:22:03,060 John C. Dvorak: Interesting. This is another example of a 2390 02:22:03,060 --> 02:22:03,810 fail of 2391 02:22:03,810 --> 02:22:06,720 Adam Curry: guess what micro services architecture. 2392 02:22:07,230 --> 02:22:08,460 John C. Dvorak: That's what it is. 2393 02:22:09,480 --> 02:22:13,080 Adam Curry: It's a big fail of microservices architecture. And 2394 02:22:13,080 --> 02:22:20,790 we did it. You're right. Oh, well. So yeah, so everything's 2395 02:22:20,820 --> 02:22:23,610 effectively broken right now. So it'd be great if whoever 2396 02:22:23,610 --> 02:22:26,820 registered that could could fix it. But thank you to our 2397 02:22:26,820 --> 02:22:29,910 executive producers, Associate Executive Producers all of the 2398 02:22:30,090 --> 02:22:35,430 we had still had some stragglers on the 75 D Day. We've got the 2399 02:22:35,430 --> 02:22:41,730 Swaziland office, we've got the dad Father's Day, which I guess 2400 02:22:41,730 --> 02:22:44,400 you maybe it'll be a newsletter on Saturday, but you can 2401 02:22:44,670 --> 02:22:48,780 obviously say hi to dad and donate for the next program. But 2402 02:22:48,780 --> 02:22:52,800 in general, this is the only way we can discuss what we discuss 2403 02:22:52,800 --> 02:22:55,470 in the manner that we do it because we do not have corporate 2404 02:22:55,470 --> 02:22:58,380 interest that we have to be worried about no advertising. 2405 02:22:58,470 --> 02:23:02,220 Luckily no meetings, this fluctuation in our income but we 2406 02:23:02,220 --> 02:23:05,250 are very proud to be part of the value for value network as you 2407 02:23:05,250 --> 02:23:07,980 all are as producers with no agenda Show and remember for our 2408 02:23:07,980 --> 02:23:13,710 Sunday dads de bourgh.org/and a commerce as requested 2409 02:23:13,890 --> 02:23:20,820 Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs Let's vote for jobs. You've got 2410 02:23:22,410 --> 02:23:22,920 karma 2411 02:23:32,040 --> 02:23:34,200 Adam Curry: it's gonna be pretty short and sweet and easy to do. 2412 02:23:34,200 --> 02:23:37,800 Today is June 13 2019. Here's our birthday list only to Nick 2413 02:23:37,800 --> 02:23:42,810 foster turns 24 tomorrow and Jason and Emilio say happy 2414 02:23:42,810 --> 02:23:45,510 birthday to mom Mary happy birthday for everybody here at 2415 02:23:45,510 --> 02:23:58,680 the best podcast in the universe don't want to be a douchebag and 2416 02:23:58,680 --> 02:24:01,230 also one today on the title change list but it's an 2417 02:24:01,230 --> 02:24:05,190 important one sir herb lamb has upped his status he now becomes 2418 02:24:05,220 --> 02:24:10,980 Earl of the GMO nation. Thank you and are full of the info 2419 02:24:10,980 --> 02:24:14,790 agenda podcast. We appreciate everything you do for us as well 2420 02:24:14,790 --> 02:24:19,890 sir herb lamb and we've got two for the knighting table. Oh, 2421 02:24:20,310 --> 02:24:26,340 where's my historic? You brought the short somewhere it is. But 2422 02:24:26,340 --> 02:24:28,890 yeah, got it. There we go. You got yours. 2423 02:24:28,920 --> 02:24:31,350 John C. Dvorak: Here's mine. Okay, perfect. All right. 2424 02:24:32,910 --> 02:24:34,920 Adam Curry: Up here on the podium to the roundtable. Nick 2425 02:24:34,920 --> 02:24:41,580 Foster and ghee Burton. Both of you gentlemen are welcome here 2426 02:24:41,580 --> 02:24:43,890 at the round table of our no agenda Knights and Dames thanks 2427 02:24:43,890 --> 02:24:47,160 to your support of the program the amount of $1,000 or more and 2428 02:24:47,160 --> 02:24:51,330 I am proud to pronounce to Kate the as Sir Nick Foster, and 2429 02:24:51,330 --> 02:24:55,170 Sergey knights of the no agenda roundtable we've got here for 2430 02:24:55,170 --> 02:24:58,500 you. hookers and blow rent boys and Chardonnay, cookies and 2431 02:24:58,500 --> 02:25:01,650 vodka. We've got early time As in BF for English muffins with 2432 02:25:01,650 --> 02:25:04,680 butter and honey, we got harlots and how gold beers and blunt 2433 02:25:04,830 --> 02:25:07,620 cowgirls with coffin varnish breast milk and Pavlin bucket 2434 02:25:07,620 --> 02:25:10,320 and vanilla cases and sakeI Rubenesque woman and Rose, a 2435 02:25:10,320 --> 02:25:13,650 bong hits and bourbon, ginger ale and dribbles and of course, 2436 02:25:13,890 --> 02:25:18,870 mutton and Mead, head on over to no agenda nation.com/rings and 2437 02:25:18,870 --> 02:25:21,300 give Eric Schill your information, he will get the 2438 02:25:21,300 --> 02:25:24,540 ring out to you as soon as possible with your ceiling wax 2439 02:25:24,540 --> 02:25:28,470 your official certificate. And for those nights who I met at 2440 02:25:28,470 --> 02:25:33,810 the meetup yesterday, who never really put in for it. I think 2441 02:25:33,810 --> 02:25:36,630 you should. There's a couple tonight. I never I never would 2442 02:25:36,630 --> 02:25:39,300 have asked for it. I think you should do it. Especially you see 2443 02:25:39,300 --> 02:25:45,000 how many people did have their rings at the meetup. So please 2444 02:25:45,000 --> 02:25:48,180 do that love show them off. You deserve it. Please do that. 2445 02:25:48,750 --> 02:25:51,720 quick list of the meetups that we have coming up Copenhagen 2446 02:25:51,720 --> 02:25:56,160 June 15, the Fourth of July and Seattle June July 9. Knoxville, 2447 02:25:56,160 --> 02:26:00,360 Tennessee. What are you gonna bet Sir Patrick will be there. 2448 02:26:00,660 --> 02:26:04,710 Atlanta, Georgia on July 13. Another southwest London meetup 2449 02:26:04,710 --> 02:26:08,730 on July 20. And on the 20th a brand new one entered Buffalo 2450 02:26:08,730 --> 02:26:09,720 New York. 2451 02:26:11,220 --> 02:26:13,080 John C. Dvorak: Penetration testing. 2452 02:26:17,670 --> 02:26:20,520 Adam Curry: I got an urgent I got an urgent report from Sweden 2453 02:26:20,520 --> 02:26:27,930 just came in from Eric. Wow. Let me let me read this to you. He 2454 02:26:27,930 --> 02:26:32,460 said as of Monday, on Monday, June 10. The following happened 2455 02:26:32,460 --> 02:26:36,420 in Sweden that was probably not or under reported. You ready for 2456 02:26:36,420 --> 02:26:42,330 this? Sure. This is one day in Sweden. Bomb threatening English 2457 02:26:42,330 --> 02:26:45,720 speaking EU citizen carrying three passports shot by police 2458 02:26:45,720 --> 02:26:49,980 at Malmo Central Station, man shot at feger Show outside of 2459 02:26:49,980 --> 02:26:53,730 Stockholm female train conductor assaulted by two men and or a 2460 02:26:53,730 --> 02:26:57,480 bow array bro. Pedestrian run over during police pursuit in 2461 02:26:57,480 --> 02:27:01,560 Stockholm man shot and killed a Momo shooting in another part of 2462 02:27:01,560 --> 02:27:05,670 Malmo attempted murder shooting in 10. Star Stockholm shooting 2463 02:27:05,670 --> 02:27:09,540 in got Sundar Uppsala, another shooting in Uppsala later in the 2464 02:27:09,540 --> 02:27:13,140 day in connection with a fight involving 10 to 15 people man 2465 02:27:13,140 --> 02:27:16,950 found stabbed in Salem outside soccer Stockholm, another man 2466 02:27:16,950 --> 02:27:20,040 taken to hospital after knife fight between neighbors outside 2467 02:27:20,040 --> 02:27:23,490 Helsingborg to critically injured after knife fight in 2468 02:27:23,490 --> 02:27:27,300 connection to a softball game and Lyngby two more bombings and 2469 02:27:27,300 --> 02:27:30,660 Mama at late night this leaves out the large bombing of an 2470 02:27:30,660 --> 02:27:33,990 apartment building and lit coping previous the previous 2471 02:27:33,990 --> 02:27:38,730 Friday which injured 25 and damage 250 apartments. Did you 2472 02:27:38,730 --> 02:27:42,690 hear any of this course not especially the apartment being 2473 02:27:42,690 --> 02:27:47,460 blown up? Now. This is what you get when your news is focused on 2474 02:27:47,460 --> 02:27:52,950 Bo Joe with the Mojo and orange MAN bad. It's pathetic. No 2475 02:27:52,950 --> 02:27:55,500 wonder you're losing your ass because you're not reporting 2476 02:27:55,500 --> 02:27:58,050 news. Orange Man bad. 2477 02:28:00,930 --> 02:28:04,380 John C. Dvorak: Well, yeah, that sounds like they have issues 2478 02:28:04,380 --> 02:28:09,210 that need to be resolved. Societal based issues, 2479 02:28:09,330 --> 02:28:14,550 egalitarian problems? Yes. Well, the one piece of news that I 2480 02:28:14,550 --> 02:28:16,740 thought was very important that I had, that's why I sent the 2481 02:28:16,740 --> 02:28:20,010 bonus clips off which is this was happened just just as the 2482 02:28:20,010 --> 02:28:24,630 show is being produced and needed to be discussed a little 2483 02:28:24,630 --> 02:28:30,180 bit which is the ship to two ships being attacked, variously 2484 02:28:30,570 --> 02:28:35,610 reported as by torpedoes. And it was shells and nobody really 2485 02:28:35,610 --> 02:28:37,740 just gotten the story straight. It'll be straightened out as 2486 02:28:37,740 --> 02:28:45,120 after the show's done, but and by the way, this reflects almost 2487 02:28:45,120 --> 02:28:51,810 to a tee. The kind of stuff that was in the day was short ones. 2488 02:28:51,810 --> 02:28:54,450 13 Episodes Season a Rubicon 2489 02:28:54,480 --> 02:28:56,520 Unknown: for following a developing story out of the Gulf 2490 02:28:56,550 --> 02:29:01,050 of Oman. The US Navy says it's responding to reports of attacks 2491 02:29:01,080 --> 02:29:04,530 on shipping vessels there. A statement goes on to say that US 2492 02:29:04,530 --> 02:29:07,530 naval forces in the region received two separate distress 2493 02:29:07,530 --> 02:29:11,670 calls this morning, local time. It adds that ships in the area 2494 02:29:11,700 --> 02:29:15,600 are rendering assistance, the news is sending oil prices up 2495 02:29:15,600 --> 02:29:20,220 sharply. US crude prices surged as much as 4% as details of the 2496 02:29:20,460 --> 02:29:23,880 reports first emerged, but currently up more than 2%. As 2497 02:29:23,880 --> 02:29:27,270 you can see, CNN International diplomatic editor NIC Robertson, 2498 02:29:27,270 --> 02:29:29,430 following developments from here in London, but first of all to 2499 02:29:29,430 --> 02:29:33,630 go to go to Zoo she's in Abu Dhabi go what do we know right 2500 02:29:33,630 --> 02:29:35,340 now in terms of confirmed detail? 2501 02:29:35,790 --> 02:29:38,430 Well, it's a developing story, but at this point, we know that 2502 02:29:38,460 --> 02:29:42,390 an incident took place on two shipping vessels in the Gulf of 2503 02:29:42,420 --> 02:29:47,100 Oman. And in that particular in these incidents, we know that 2504 02:29:47,100 --> 02:29:51,060 one oil tanker is was involved and a chemical vessel carrying 2505 02:29:51,180 --> 02:29:54,450 chemical products was involved. The company that owns the 2506 02:29:54,450 --> 02:29:58,920 chemical products shipping company that that vessel says 2507 02:29:58,920 --> 02:30:03,990 that there A ship was attacked twice with some sort of shell. 2508 02:30:04,080 --> 02:30:08,400 We know at this point that 44 people, crew members of those 2509 02:30:08,400 --> 02:30:11,940 two ships have been rescued by the Iranian navy. 2510 02:30:13,080 --> 02:30:16,860 Adam Curry: Hmm. Okay. Yeah. 2511 02:30:17,100 --> 02:30:19,140 What's your assessment of the of the switch? 2512 02:30:19,650 --> 02:30:20,430 John C. Dvorak: Sutton's? 2513 02:30:22,620 --> 02:30:25,200 Adam Curry: I know you'd like that. What's the sitch? Chem 2514 02:30:25,200 --> 02:30:25,890 impossible? 2515 02:30:28,890 --> 02:30:30,450 John C. Dvorak: I don't know. I think it could be a. 2516 02:30:30,869 --> 02:30:34,019 Adam Curry: How about this? How about market marecic? How about 2517 02:30:34,019 --> 02:30:36,629 market manipulation? Maybe doing this? How about market 2518 02:30:36,629 --> 02:30:37,229 manipulation? 2519 02:30:37,230 --> 02:30:39,090 John C. Dvorak: Manipulation is part of it. That would be that's 2520 02:30:39,090 --> 02:30:40,410 the reference to Rubicon. 2521 02:30:40,439 --> 02:30:43,769 Adam Curry: Yes. And the oil price was already going down way 2522 02:30:43,769 --> 02:30:46,619 too low, uncomfortable. We can't have any of that. 2523 02:30:47,040 --> 02:30:49,470 John C. Dvorak: So let's shoot a ship full oil. Or 2524 02:30:49,470 --> 02:30:52,800 Adam Curry: maybe we'll just say this one that we've seen video. 2525 02:30:52,800 --> 02:30:53,790 Have you seen any rap? 2526 02:30:53,820 --> 02:30:55,710 John C. Dvorak: Yeah. And we sold crap like the Gulf of 2527 02:30:55,710 --> 02:31:00,000 Tonkin. That was a classic. You should look into that. And we'll 2528 02:31:00,000 --> 02:31:01,560 have to see read some funny, 2529 02:31:01,590 --> 02:31:02,400 Adam Curry: we'll have to see. 2530 02:31:02,430 --> 02:31:04,260 John C. Dvorak: I mean, I like you know, going back in time, I 2531 02:31:04,260 --> 02:31:09,870 do have a clip from 2020 10 which I just I ran into a cache 2532 02:31:09,870 --> 02:31:16,740 of old archived material from the from the recorders that I 2533 02:31:16,740 --> 02:31:21,120 used back in 2010. And I saw what's on here, and it's just I 2534 02:31:21,120 --> 02:31:24,900 had to read it, I mean, to produce them, but I got a kick 2535 02:31:24,900 --> 02:31:30,630 out of this one because I don't know that NBC at Rock 2536 02:31:30,660 --> 02:31:34,770 Rockefeller Center has they have a store? Yeah. And I don't know 2537 02:31:34,770 --> 02:31:39,000 that they sell Donald Trump memorabilia. But apparently in 2538 02:31:39,000 --> 02:31:42,750 2010, according to O'Reilly, who ridiculed this when he had a TV 2539 02:31:42,750 --> 02:31:47,160 show this O'Reilly toy, it says 1010 By the way, according to 2540 02:31:47,160 --> 02:31:49,980 O'Reilly, they would this was this was the product in 2010. 2541 02:31:49,980 --> 02:31:51,060 This is what they were doing. 2542 02:31:51,090 --> 02:31:53,490 Unknown: NBC News continues to support the president just about 2543 02:31:53,490 --> 02:31:57,810 every way. At their headquarters in Manhattan. The NBC store is 2544 02:31:57,810 --> 02:32:04,440 selling Obama merchandise, doll shirts, mugs, you can get them 2545 02:32:04,440 --> 02:32:09,150 all at the NBC store. Didn't see any Sarah Palin stuff there. I 2546 02:32:09,150 --> 02:32:12,600 didn't see bowl fresh, but they may have been sold out. 2547 02:32:14,250 --> 02:32:16,260 Adam Curry: It's the Obama fetish from back then it was 2548 02:32:16,260 --> 02:32:18,360 great. It was good times everyone loved him. We were 2549 02:32:18,360 --> 02:32:21,090 feeling good. It was hope and change. It was fabulous. 2550 02:32:21,120 --> 02:32:24,060 John C. Dvorak: Hope and Change and change. Have you directed it 2551 02:32:24,060 --> 02:32:26,670 up with no hope and a pocketful of change? I 2552 02:32:26,670 --> 02:32:31,080 Adam Curry: recommended you watch this fleabag on I think 2553 02:32:31,080 --> 02:32:34,860 it's on Netflix series. Have you watched this? fleabag Yeah. 2554 02:32:35,190 --> 02:32:37,410 John C. Dvorak: So I've watched a couple episodes. So the thing 2555 02:32:37,410 --> 02:32:37,620 is the 2556 02:32:37,620 --> 02:32:40,290 Adam Curry: first episode, just because we're talking about 2557 02:32:40,290 --> 02:32:44,400 about Obama, and I thought it was very realistic. She's lying 2558 02:32:44,400 --> 02:32:46,830 in bed with her boyfriend and you know, they're they're 2559 02:32:46,860 --> 02:32:51,540 basically breaking up, or no, they just had sex. And he's done 2560 02:32:51,540 --> 02:32:56,490 and she was clearly not done. He rolls over goes to sleep. And 2561 02:32:56,490 --> 02:33:02,100 she's watching Obama masturbating to Obama. What 2562 02:33:02,100 --> 02:33:05,430 President did anyone do that too but Obama, I can't think any of 2563 02:33:05,460 --> 02:33:09,600 any other President Clinton particularly white women. 2564 02:33:10,260 --> 02:33:13,800 John C. Dvorak: Click Clinton, but they were forced the worst. 2565 02:33:24,210 --> 02:33:27,660 Adam Curry: Yeah, baby boy was back in town. We are very proud 2566 02:33:27,660 --> 02:33:32,520 to say that Ebola has moved from the Congo to a new spot in 2567 02:33:32,520 --> 02:33:38,670 Africa. And my predictions always are when Ebola shows up 2568 02:33:38,670 --> 02:33:40,980 that the military is on the way. It 2569 02:33:40,980 --> 02:33:43,770 Unknown: was detected by the health workers at cargando 2570 02:33:43,770 --> 02:33:48,090 hospital with signs and symptoms of Ebola and immediately 2571 02:33:48,090 --> 02:33:52,380 transferred to an isolated at where hospital Ebola treatment 2572 02:33:52,380 --> 02:33:57,090 unit for further management. A blood sample was drawn and sent 2573 02:33:57,090 --> 02:34:00,870 for testing at Uganda virus Research Institute very early on 2574 02:34:00,870 --> 02:34:05,190 the morning of June 11. And the sample tested positive for 2575 02:34:05,190 --> 02:34:08,640 Ebola. All the other Congolese family members have been 2576 02:34:08,640 --> 02:34:12,900 identified. And I in isolation at Guerra Hospital 2577 02:34:13,230 --> 02:34:16,380 has said Wednesday afternoon the World Health Organization says 2578 02:34:16,410 --> 02:34:19,020 two new cases of Ebola has been confirmed 2579 02:34:19,080 --> 02:34:22,380 the Ministry of Health the World Organization and the Center for 2580 02:34:22,380 --> 02:34:26,790 Disease Control have dispatched a rapid response team to assess 2581 02:34:26,790 --> 02:34:31,110 it to support the teams who are on the ground to continue with 2582 02:34:31,110 --> 02:34:35,310 various activities, including contact tracing and case 2583 02:34:35,310 --> 02:34:39,600 management. The Ministry of Health who and CDC will 2584 02:34:39,630 --> 02:34:44,940 undertake ring vaccination of contacts to the case and other 2585 02:34:44,970 --> 02:34:49,440 non vaccinated frontline health workers as well as other workers 2586 02:34:49,470 --> 02:34:53,370 beginning 14th June 2019. 2587 02:34:54,150 --> 02:34:57,630 Adam Curry: So this ring vaccination is what really 2588 02:34:57,630 --> 02:35:03,480 caught my ear on this Apparently there is a number that first of 2589 02:35:03,480 --> 02:35:06,330 all, this is right this is 30 kilometers from Kampala in 2590 02:35:06,330 --> 02:35:10,080 Uganda, this is a big deal. This is this is this is now not just 2591 02:35:10,080 --> 02:35:16,290 some little place where mining up in, in the Congo, Kampala, 2592 02:35:16,320 --> 02:35:20,700 this is where big terrorist attacks take place is, you know, 2593 02:35:20,700 --> 02:35:24,810 a lot of things happen in Uganda. And we've sent CDC which 2594 02:35:24,810 --> 02:35:28,440 as we know is you know, has its roots in military. But then 2595 02:35:28,440 --> 02:35:32,610 they're doing these ring vaccinations, which is here it 2596 02:35:32,610 --> 02:35:40,560 is the our vSv das ze bo v. And it's a vaccine that is 2597 02:35:40,560 --> 02:35:49,290 experimental. And they call this ring vaccination approach by 2598 02:35:49,290 --> 02:35:54,330 offering to contacts of the people diagnosed with a bola and 2599 02:35:54,330 --> 02:35:59,670 their contacts, and also frontline workers to be 2600 02:35:59,670 --> 02:36:00,840 vaccinated with the 2601 02:36:02,160 --> 02:36:08,460 test vaccine. So I don't know what the plan is on this. 2602 02:36:10,230 --> 02:36:13,740 John C. Dvorak: But I think one wasn't there. Isn't there a 2603 02:36:14,130 --> 02:36:19,020 legitimately tested already vaccine for Ebola that they were 2604 02:36:19,020 --> 02:36:20,760 shooting people up with in the Congo? 2605 02:36:21,119 --> 02:36:23,579 Adam Curry: This is the same one, but it's not legitimately 2606 02:36:23,579 --> 02:36:28,859 tested? I thought it was that same thing. Ring testing, ring 2607 02:36:28,859 --> 02:36:29,819 testing, which 2608 02:36:30,900 --> 02:36:32,790 John C. Dvorak: let me see if I have no I'm unfamiliar with 2609 02:36:32,790 --> 02:36:33,180 this. 2610 02:36:33,510 --> 02:36:36,000 Adam Curry: Well, it's a way of saying we're going to test the 2611 02:36:36,000 --> 02:36:39,060 shit on you. Only we make it sound cool by saying ring. Okay, 2612 02:36:39,090 --> 02:36:42,900 whatever. It 2613 02:36:45,600 --> 02:36:47,520 John C. Dvorak: makes sense. We're going to use the African 2614 02:36:47,520 --> 02:36:50,700 population to just test random vaccines on Well, this 2615 02:36:50,700 --> 02:36:53,070 Adam Curry: is what we've always been told is that this takes 2616 02:36:53,070 --> 02:36:56,430 place and here it is, as far as I can tell and pain. You make it 2617 02:36:56,430 --> 02:37:00,930 sound great. And they have some kid who died and I guess that he 2618 02:37:00,930 --> 02:37:05,040 had Ebola, I don't know. But this is a development that is it 2619 02:37:05,040 --> 02:37:09,630 takes us out of out of the Congo and DRC and puts it straight 2620 02:37:09,630 --> 02:37:18,420 into right into combat where I lived when I was a kid military 2621 02:37:18,420 --> 02:37:19,140 ROTC 2622 02:37:19,140 --> 02:37:20,670 John C. Dvorak: you'll be keeping track of this. 2623 02:37:22,680 --> 02:37:26,130 Adam Curry: Yes, I will be on top of the Ebola Ebola. I will 2624 02:37:26,130 --> 02:37:28,650 stay on top. I will stay on top of Ebola. 2625 02:37:28,710 --> 02:37:30,570 You bet bola 2626 02:37:31,890 --> 02:37:34,620 the count from Africa give diarrhea. 2627 02:37:36,030 --> 02:37:39,000 John C. Dvorak: Okay, the other big news that you missed out on? 2628 02:37:39,060 --> 02:37:41,610 Well, you didn't because it's in Hong Kong. Yeah. And have a 2629 02:37:41,610 --> 02:37:44,580 pretty good update and this is the Hong Kong update. I believe 2630 02:37:44,580 --> 02:37:46,410 this the CBSE did a pretty good job. 2631 02:37:46,470 --> 02:37:48,600 Unknown: There were more clashes today in the streets of Hong 2632 02:37:48,600 --> 02:37:53,040 Kong. Protesters are outraged over a proposal to send criminal 2633 02:37:53,040 --> 02:37:57,240 suspects to mainland China for prosecution. Riot police met 2634 02:37:57,240 --> 02:38:01,110 them with tear gas and rubber bullets Ramya no Sensia was in 2635 02:38:01,110 --> 02:38:01,710 that crowd. 2636 02:38:02,610 --> 02:38:07,110 We have to use force said Hong Kong's police chief, and they 2637 02:38:07,110 --> 02:38:13,890 did. They shot tear gas and pepper spray swung batons and 2638 02:38:13,890 --> 02:38:20,130 fired rubber bullets. Protesters pushed back with water bottles 2639 02:38:20,130 --> 02:38:25,950 protected by umbrellas and masks. Everyone was a target, 2640 02:38:26,220 --> 02:38:32,310 including us. Oh. Already the smoke and the tear gas is making 2641 02:38:32,310 --> 02:38:37,140 its way here. Feeling it inside your nose into your eyes is 2642 02:38:37,140 --> 02:38:41,190 getting closer and closer. Helping Hands came from these 2643 02:38:41,190 --> 02:38:46,050 protesters drink some water. Okay, thank you. But it's a 2644 02:38:46,050 --> 02:38:49,380 small kind of sting when your futures at stake. 2645 02:38:49,740 --> 02:38:55,710 I think that's no hope but we still need to continue to fight 2646 02:38:55,710 --> 02:38:59,940 against the fight against the big Beijing government and 2647 02:39:00,300 --> 02:39:02,070 protests our city and our future. 2648 02:39:03,450 --> 02:39:07,200 The hope to stop lawmakers from passing a controversial 2649 02:39:07,200 --> 02:39:11,130 extradition bill. The fear if fast anyone here could be 2650 02:39:11,130 --> 02:39:15,780 extradited to mainland China. Human rights lawyer Jason Eng 2651 02:39:15,780 --> 02:39:19,920 says that could include foreigners. If I'm an American, 2652 02:39:19,950 --> 02:39:23,070 and I did something bad here. I could potentially be extradited 2653 02:39:23,070 --> 02:39:23,580 to China. 2654 02:39:23,790 --> 02:39:27,150 Well, you don't even have to do anything bad. What is to stop 2655 02:39:27,150 --> 02:39:31,860 China from making up evidence on soil. Hong Kong. Hong 2656 02:39:31,860 --> 02:39:35,790 Kong's chief executive Carrie Lam, who's appointed by Beijing 2657 02:39:35,910 --> 02:39:41,940 said she hasn't sold out Hong Kong. But in a separate speech 2658 02:39:42,060 --> 02:39:47,490 condemned the protesters as writers. That designation means 2659 02:39:47,490 --> 02:39:51,300 protesters may be subjected to very long prison terms if 2660 02:39:51,330 --> 02:39:55,050 arrested, but that's a risk many are willing to take, especially 2661 02:39:55,050 --> 02:39:58,230 as we get closer to the bill's passage. Chief Executive Carrie 2662 02:39:58,230 --> 02:40:00,600 Lam says she hopes to do that by next week. 2663 02:40:01,920 --> 02:40:05,370 Adam Curry: Yeah, this is this is interesting. 2664 02:40:06,690 --> 02:40:09,900 John C. Dvorak: Well, it flies in the face of these two systems 2665 02:40:09,900 --> 02:40:11,790 one country bowl crap 2666 02:40:12,000 --> 02:40:15,450 Adam Curry: deal, the deal that was made the deal was hands off. 2667 02:40:16,080 --> 02:40:18,960 John C. Dvorak: Yeah. And so this, of course, all goes back 2668 02:40:18,960 --> 02:40:24,450 to facture screwed everybody by given de Hong Kong back to China 2669 02:40:24,450 --> 02:40:29,310 for no apparent reason. And that because they still be a British 2670 02:40:29,310 --> 02:40:34,530 colony otherwise, because it was it was a lease for life or some 2671 02:40:34,560 --> 02:40:38,790 ridiculous number, Chinese think long term. So that wasn't a big 2672 02:40:38,790 --> 02:40:43,170 deal to them. But and then the Chinese made a big stink about 2673 02:40:43,170 --> 02:40:45,810 well, don't worry about it because that guy was in Hong 2674 02:40:45,810 --> 02:40:51,180 Kong, just before the 97 turnover. And everybody there 2675 02:40:51,180 --> 02:40:54,720 was paranoid and they've got people come up to a period of 2676 02:40:54,720 --> 02:40:57,720 friends of mine who say he had to all we hear is people 2677 02:40:57,720 --> 02:41:00,780 speaking Mandarin. And because of this was the big because 2678 02:41:00,780 --> 02:41:03,840 everyone speaks Cantonese, and in Hong Kong, and they're here 2679 02:41:03,840 --> 02:41:05,970 too many people, oh, these people are there. They're moving 2680 02:41:05,970 --> 02:41:09,540 and they're going to prison us. And of course it didn't. That 2681 02:41:09,540 --> 02:41:13,860 was the same period where all the expatriates moved to Canada, 2682 02:41:13,920 --> 02:41:16,470 most of them because you could buy Canadian citizenship for 2683 02:41:16,470 --> 02:41:21,420 $250,000. And many of the great chefs of Hong Kong, moved to 2684 02:41:21,420 --> 02:41:24,870 Canada was created, especially in Vancouver, Vancouver, and 2685 02:41:24,870 --> 02:41:31,470 COVID a great subculture of Chinese restaurants. It was 2686 02:41:31,500 --> 02:41:35,160 weird, and the Chinese assuaged. It was this bull crap, which 2687 02:41:35,160 --> 02:41:38,100 apparently is bullcrapping. This woman, this lamb woman, who's 2688 02:41:38,280 --> 02:41:43,140 who's the governor of the Hong Kong, appointed by Beijing is a 2689 02:41:43,140 --> 02:41:43,740 creep. 2690 02:41:44,880 --> 02:41:48,300 Adam Curry: Well, it worried about the social scoring that 2691 02:41:48,330 --> 02:41:55,860 would apparently be used to you know, to entrap people and and 2692 02:41:55,860 --> 02:42:03,240 have them extradited. Tina was talking with some people at the 2693 02:42:03,240 --> 02:42:07,230 gym. I think she's at a new gym now, because we moved. And she 2694 02:42:07,230 --> 02:42:10,710 was talking about her nutty husband the conspiracy tinfoil 2695 02:42:10,710 --> 02:42:15,660 hat where and dude about it, some of the conversation went to 2696 02:42:15,660 --> 02:42:19,650 Black Mirror and the social score, that one of the first 2697 02:42:19,650 --> 02:42:22,080 episodes, which I think was one of the best ones, it's second 2698 02:42:22,080 --> 02:42:26,400 season, I don't know what the hell they're doing. But one of 2699 02:42:26,400 --> 02:42:30,600 the guys there is in China quite regularly even had the social 2700 02:42:30,600 --> 02:42:36,720 score app. He said, the kids hate it. They found all these 2701 02:42:36,720 --> 02:42:39,420 ways to hack around it, they show you Oh, look, you do this, 2702 02:42:39,420 --> 02:42:42,090 you do this. And then your score, your score changes. 2703 02:42:42,210 --> 02:42:46,440 They're they're completely circumventing the whole system, 2704 02:42:46,920 --> 02:42:48,540 which is encouraging to hear. 2705 02:42:51,120 --> 02:42:54,210 John C. Dvorak: Well, it's discouraging for me to hear that 2706 02:42:54,210 --> 02:42:58,440 you have to do that. Because those those bypasses are always 2707 02:42:58,440 --> 02:43:00,000 thought sorted eventually. 2708 02:43:01,110 --> 02:43:03,210 Adam Curry: Yeah, to a degree. I'd like to hear from some of 2709 02:43:03,210 --> 02:43:06,210 our producers in China about the circumvention. What do you do? I 2710 02:43:06,210 --> 02:43:09,630 mean, what exactly do you is it the way you hold your phone 2711 02:43:09,630 --> 02:43:11,970 different or turn something on or off? Or 2712 02:43:12,780 --> 02:43:15,570 John C. Dvorak: some apps that Yeah, could feed data here and 2713 02:43:15,570 --> 02:43:20,550 there that weren't shouldn't be going? I don't know. And, yes, 2714 02:43:20,550 --> 02:43:25,260 good for you to do that. But at the same time, why? The public 2715 02:43:25,260 --> 02:43:28,110 at large and China can only put up with so much they do they 2716 02:43:28,110 --> 02:43:29,370 have had revolutions 2717 02:43:29,490 --> 02:43:32,880 Adam Curry: and it could happen again. I have just two Article 2718 02:43:32,880 --> 02:43:37,320 Two items I want to discuss quickly. One. Congratulations. 2719 02:43:38,490 --> 02:43:41,370 Yes. You have a clip last thing as a clip because it'd be great. 2720 02:43:42,120 --> 02:43:47,910 Yeah, less than two stories. No clip. First of all. I remember 2721 02:43:47,910 --> 02:43:53,580 my prediction. football, soccer is going to be big in the 2722 02:43:53,580 --> 02:43:59,220 States. As long as it's women. I love the pounding the USA team 2723 02:43:59,220 --> 02:44:04,290 gave to Thailand 13 to nil at the World Cup. That there's your 2724 02:44:04,320 --> 02:44:08,130 your boring scores. John, you always hate these boring 111 nil 2725 02:44:08,130 --> 02:44:10,710 nil nil scores. 13 nil. 2726 02:44:11,460 --> 02:44:13,410 John C. Dvorak: And then they were gloating about it and now 2727 02:44:13,410 --> 02:44:15,120 they're everyone hates him scourge. 2728 02:44:15,750 --> 02:44:18,450 Adam Curry: Everyone hates him. You're bad. You're bad winners. 2729 02:44:18,450 --> 02:44:22,740 That's worse than sore losers. You guys are horrible. Yeah, I'm 2730 02:44:22,740 --> 02:44:27,390 all for it. Yeah, I think pounded the ties perfect. The 2731 02:44:27,390 --> 02:44:31,380 second one is about this helicopter crash in Manhattan. 2732 02:44:31,710 --> 02:44:36,240 And I have been able to do some work on this. So I I'm pretty 2733 02:44:36,240 --> 02:44:38,970 sure I know what happened although we never know exactly 2734 02:44:38,970 --> 02:44:44,460 until until we get the full report. First of all, I owned 2735 02:44:44,490 --> 02:44:50,520 this exact type of aircraft. Before in 1999 This was the 2736 02:44:50,520 --> 02:44:56,100 Augusta 109 e power. This is firstly it's an incredibly it's 2737 02:44:56,100 --> 02:45:00,510 one of the safest machines you can fly. It's twin turbo Engine 2738 02:45:00,540 --> 02:45:04,680 can do single pilot IFR, which means you can fly in any 2739 02:45:04,680 --> 02:45:08,820 conditions just like well not at the altitude but just like any 2740 02:45:09,180 --> 02:45:15,660 airline aircraft on you know, essentially you're on 2741 02:45:15,660 --> 02:45:19,380 instruments you have to be certified. This pilot, although 2742 02:45:19,410 --> 02:45:24,840 he was an experienced pilot was not certified IFR. So you can't 2743 02:45:24,840 --> 02:45:29,370 fly an instrument flying rules conditions. Now, I am not 2744 02:45:29,370 --> 02:45:33,330 certified on helicopter for IFR. But I have had the training. And 2745 02:45:33,330 --> 02:45:36,690 here's what happens when you are flying in what we call whiteout 2746 02:45:36,690 --> 02:45:41,400 conditions, which is what he was in hit the ceiling was 700 feet. 2747 02:45:41,640 --> 02:45:45,690 But when you're even 200 feet below that, it looks very 2748 02:45:45,690 --> 02:45:48,600 different in the air than from the ground, you probably saw the 2749 02:45:48,600 --> 02:45:53,850 video of the helicopter flying quote II radically. You actually 2750 02:45:53,850 --> 02:45:57,090 can't see where you are in those kinds of conditions. And when 2751 02:45:57,090 --> 02:46:00,690 you're flying a helicopter, you're not instrument rated. And 2752 02:46:00,690 --> 02:46:03,960 you don't know how to use the instruments. You will be upside 2753 02:46:03,960 --> 02:46:08,460 down within 30 seconds. It's it's it's your you get vertigo 2754 02:46:08,460 --> 02:46:12,690 and and it's very, very dangerous situation. This guy 2755 02:46:12,690 --> 02:46:15,870 tried to make it back he wanted to well we call Scud running to 2756 02:46:15,900 --> 02:46:21,120 kind of skirt underneath the ceiling. And I think he got up 2757 02:46:21,120 --> 02:46:24,210 there and immediately he got disoriented. That's what we saw 2758 02:46:24,210 --> 02:46:28,860 on that video. And unfortunately, he crashed into 2759 02:46:28,860 --> 02:46:34,530 the building. It's that simple. And it's a day record for him 2760 02:46:34,560 --> 02:46:40,680 and for everybody else involved. But it was a typical, very 2761 02:46:40,680 --> 02:46:43,980 typical case of pilot error, which is what most of these 2762 02:46:43,980 --> 02:46:47,130 accidents are. And he never should have taken off. It was 2763 02:46:47,130 --> 02:46:51,900 just a big mistake. So that's all there is to it. Everything 2764 02:46:51,900 --> 02:46:54,090 else everything else you heard is bullcrap. 2765 02:46:54,810 --> 02:46:57,480 John C. Dvorak: That would make sense? Yeah. All right. Well, 2766 02:46:57,480 --> 02:47:01,110 the last clip. This was kind of a newsy thing and it was done. 2767 02:47:01,380 --> 02:47:04,770 It says somebody did a deep fake on Zuckerberg. 2768 02:47:06,480 --> 02:47:08,460 Adam Curry: I have not seen it there wasn't any good. 2769 02:47:09,180 --> 02:47:11,370 John C. Dvorak: Yes, it was not very long because I think it's 2770 02:47:11,370 --> 02:47:14,100 23 seconds. I don't like get the whole clip here. I have the 2771 02:47:14,100 --> 02:47:18,480 voice is 17 seconds is takes a lot of work to make one of these 2772 02:47:18,480 --> 02:47:21,480 and it has Zuckerberg sitting there looks just like Zuckerberg 2773 02:47:21,780 --> 02:47:25,260 is based on Zuckerberg. And then they have a voice which doesn't 2774 02:47:25,260 --> 02:47:28,740 sound quite like Zuckerberg. But it sounds enough they did not 2775 02:47:28,770 --> 02:47:32,460 know like rubber kind of swallows his. He's asked walls 2776 02:47:32,520 --> 02:47:35,370 when he talks through walls when he says I can't even do the 2777 02:47:35,370 --> 02:47:38,640 invitation. But he does it a little bit Gates does it. A lot 2778 02:47:38,640 --> 02:47:42,480 of these guys do that. And so it sounds more like a very clear 2779 02:47:42,480 --> 02:47:46,560 Zuckerberg and is not even it's not that interesting. But you do 2780 02:47:46,560 --> 02:47:50,040 have the clip I do want to say that I believe in Zuckerberg Did 2781 02:47:50,070 --> 02:47:53,490 you know The Facebook's were not big news was they're not taking 2782 02:47:53,490 --> 02:47:57,900 it off Instagram this fake. And that was because they refused to 2783 02:47:57,900 --> 02:48:02,010 take off to Nancy Pelosi. Sure. And so they said look, we kept 2784 02:48:02,010 --> 02:48:05,700 ours on doing and just just the way we are. And so they they 2785 02:48:05,700 --> 02:48:08,190 didn't take it off and they shouldn't have taken off because 2786 02:48:08,190 --> 02:48:11,310 it's so funny. But here is what it sounds like. 2787 02:48:11,340 --> 02:48:14,850 Adam Curry: Imagine this for a second. One man with total 2788 02:48:14,850 --> 02:48:18,930 control of billions of people stolen data, all their secrets, 2789 02:48:18,960 --> 02:48:24,240 their lives, their futures. I owe it all to Spectre. Spectre 2790 02:48:24,240 --> 02:48:28,350 showed me that whoever controls the data controls the future. 2791 02:48:29,220 --> 02:48:29,730 Okay, hold 2792 02:48:29,730 --> 02:48:34,170 on a second. That sounded nothing like Zuckerberg. That's 2793 02:48:34,170 --> 02:48:35,850 the worst thing I've ever heard. 2794 02:48:35,850 --> 02:48:36,990 John C. Dvorak: Like, no, not 2795 02:48:37,020 --> 02:48:37,830 Unknown: even. 2796 02:48:39,240 --> 02:48:42,840 John C. Dvorak: I shaved so I disagree. I think it's vaguely 2797 02:48:42,840 --> 02:48:46,140 sounds like him and then when you have his head there yakking 2798 02:48:46,140 --> 02:48:46,710 away 2799 02:48:46,830 --> 02:48:49,200 Adam Curry: well that's that's the difference. Yes, but when 2800 02:48:49,200 --> 02:48:53,550 you just hear it No. I thought it didn't sound anything like 2801 02:48:53,550 --> 02:48:54,180 him at all. 2802 02:48:54,539 --> 02:48:57,299 John C. Dvorak: But I thought it sounded vaguely like him. But 2803 02:48:57,689 --> 02:49:00,719 that that was it that was the bit it was very funny then 2804 02:49:00,719 --> 02:49:04,229 leaving it up it's going to just encourage more people to do 2805 02:49:04,229 --> 02:49:07,079 these things which is probably not a good idea and it's 2806 02:49:07,079 --> 02:49:10,199 probably the I would personally if I was Facebook I'd take down 2807 02:49:10,199 --> 02:49:13,979 to Pelosi one I take down this I take them both down exactly why 2808 02:49:13,979 --> 02:49:17,519 they didn't is because you know the this these guys are reactive 2809 02:49:17,519 --> 02:49:20,939 they're all boarded up all the Conservatives bitch and hold on 2810 02:49:20,939 --> 02:49:24,119 hold on our stuff down. Why do you and they say yes Are they 2811 02:49:24,119 --> 02:49:27,119 just doing stuff? Stupidly they should take both these things 2812 02:49:27,119 --> 02:49:30,569 down they stink and is the problem I have with them is not 2813 02:49:30,569 --> 02:49:33,269 that they're political one way or the other or are just 2814 02:49:33,269 --> 02:49:37,379 naughty. It's that it's encouraging more people to do 2815 02:49:37,379 --> 02:49:39,029 this stuff, but we don't need it. 2816 02:49:39,600 --> 02:49:42,660 Adam Curry: Well, was this the synthesized voice that did this 2817 02:49:42,660 --> 02:49:46,170 deep fake? Was that like the one they did with Joe Rogan? Is that 2818 02:49:46,170 --> 02:49:48,060 the is that the same company that put 2819 02:49:48,060 --> 02:49:50,250 John C. Dvorak: this together? Yeah, Dad, I didn't dig into it. 2820 02:49:50,400 --> 02:49:50,550 Well, 2821 02:49:50,550 --> 02:49:52,860 Adam Curry: all I'm saying is just like when we listen to 2822 02:49:53,070 --> 02:49:56,340 audio only have a television show. That's when you hear the 2823 02:49:56,340 --> 02:49:59,970 bad acting. I have not seen this deep fake video. I was not 2824 02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:03,090 Seeing Zuckerberg face only what was burned into my head from 2825 02:50:03,090 --> 02:50:07,050 seeing him on television. Yeah, no, it did not sound like him. 2826 02:50:07,530 --> 02:50:09,600 John C. Dvorak: Just well, you're, you're it's the same 2827 02:50:09,600 --> 02:50:13,140 thing. You're right when we do the video clips of, you know, 2828 02:50:13,140 --> 02:50:16,710 some TV show, and then we just use the audio of the acting. 2829 02:50:16,800 --> 02:50:21,600 It's terrible and you just start noticing it. And that's probably 2830 02:50:21,600 --> 02:50:25,350 you, you I had the disadvantage of seeing the thing with his 2831 02:50:25,350 --> 02:50:30,720 face. And so I'm looking to hear him more than you are. Right and 2832 02:50:30,720 --> 02:50:34,500 I did I hear a little bit of him in there a little bit, even 2833 02:50:34,500 --> 02:50:37,890 though it's fake now. But yeah, you're right. I'm not gonna deny 2834 02:50:37,890 --> 02:50:42,600 that and it's not I never said it was great. bass part is no 2835 02:50:42,600 --> 02:50:43,290 I'm because I've 2836 02:50:43,290 --> 02:50:45,390 Adam Curry: read about this. I've not seen it or heard it. 2837 02:50:45,390 --> 02:50:47,580 And I'm just like, Oh, really? This what everyone's all jacked 2838 02:50:47,580 --> 02:50:48,510 about. It's no good. 2839 02:50:49,350 --> 02:50:51,870 John C. Dvorak: No, good. I knew you wouldn't have it because 2840 02:50:51,870 --> 02:50:55,200 you're looking around. And so I thought I'd just play it for 2841 02:50:55,200 --> 02:50:58,920 you. And it's certainly 17 seconds long. 2842 02:50:59,160 --> 02:51:03,030 Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, everybody, we're going to Well, 2843 02:51:03,030 --> 02:51:06,180 we're we've gone long speaking of long so we're going to shut 2844 02:51:06,180 --> 02:51:09,570 it down for now, but we'll return on Sunday Father's Day. 2845 02:51:09,570 --> 02:51:13,050 Remember your dad at dvorak.org/and a support the 2846 02:51:13,050 --> 02:51:16,620 value for value model. I will be coming to you from a castle in 2847 02:51:16,620 --> 02:51:23,280 Northern Ireland. And we'll have more EU reports. Possibly yes, I 2848 02:51:23,280 --> 02:51:25,830 John C. Dvorak: was going to be central heating in that castle. 2849 02:51:26,250 --> 02:51:29,400 Adam Curry: I hope so. Stay tuned on no agenda stream.com 2850 02:51:29,400 --> 02:51:33,210 for another episode of Nic the rat and thanks to Jesse Coyne 2851 02:51:33,210 --> 02:51:37,500 Nelson, sir seat sitter and Abel Kirby before the end of show 2852 02:51:37,500 --> 02:51:41,730 mixes coming to you from the capital of Gitmo nation, East 2853 02:51:41,730 --> 02:51:45,660 London in the UK in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry, 2854 02:51:46,050 --> 02:51:48,390 John C. Dvorak: and I'm from Northern Silicon Valley, where 2855 02:51:48,390 --> 02:51:51,510 I'm still watching the double decker buses. I think I saw four 2856 02:51:51,540 --> 02:51:53,130 during the show I'm John C. Dvorak 2857 02:51:53,130 --> 02:51:55,770 Adam Curry: we return on Sunday right here on no agenda until 2858 02:51:55,770 --> 02:52:00,000 then I do smoke photos and such. 2859 02:52:16,320 --> 02:52:19,110 Unknown: They kick me out at a partner program none of my 2860 02:52:19,110 --> 02:52:23,520 videos receive any kind of monetization anymore at all 2861 02:52:23,550 --> 02:52:26,670 there's no monetization is nothing and none of them can get 2862 02:52:26,670 --> 02:52:31,980 monetized. Where you are with the What can I do 2863 02:52:38,190 --> 02:52:40,530 now you are God, 2864 02:52:40,740 --> 02:52:43,890 Adam Curry: I have no idea what I'm supposed to do next page 2865 02:52:48,060 --> 02:52:59,460 Unknown: to monetize. But that's not 2866 02:52:59,460 --> 02:53:03,480 gonna stop the fact that I bought 90% of my income. That's 2867 02:53:03,480 --> 02:53:06,390 not going to stop the fact that I literally can't make a living 2868 02:53:06,390 --> 02:53:13,620 anymore even though I have a degree. I was valedictorian in 2869 02:53:13,620 --> 02:53:16,080 college, I guess, juice was now 2870 02:53:19,050 --> 02:53:23,880 John C. Dvorak: how can I add on YouTube lawyer Ian Corazon and 2871 02:53:23,880 --> 02:53:26,580 I'm a creator to crown. 2872 02:53:39,090 --> 02:53:42,120 Adam Curry: If your revenue is derived from advertising, which 2873 02:53:42,150 --> 02:53:45,570 I think most people who are YouTube creators are Zoomers and 2874 02:53:45,570 --> 02:53:49,440 millennials who hate advertising don't give a crap about it and 2875 02:53:49,440 --> 02:53:52,410 they just forget that the check you see is from the advertising 2876 02:53:52,410 --> 02:53:55,020 that shows up and if you're going to do anything that is 2877 02:53:55,020 --> 02:53:58,920 adverse to that then the ads will stop it's how simple is 2878 02:53:58,920 --> 02:54:00,120 this to understand 2879 02:54:07,950 --> 02:54:14,520 Unknown: call this God. Just call this crowded j change is 2880 02:54:14,790 --> 02:54:27,390 used to see the whole planet is a climate crisis. You've been 2881 02:54:27,390 --> 02:54:33,900 warned you had an impact just by being more Please don't miss 2882 02:54:33,900 --> 02:54:50,820 this. I'm going to cry. So save your map believe in him. Win 2883 02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:22,950 John C. Dvorak: Oh boy boys on the other side of the brunch 2884 02:55:22,950 --> 02:55:29,130 bar, deepen the gentrified city of Austin. I'm any young girl 2885 02:55:29,340 --> 02:55:33,540 walking or two dogs a black Irish sad or in miniature 2886 02:55:33,540 --> 02:55:38,880 dachshund. Standing by the corner in a park or hips teak 2887 02:55:38,910 --> 02:55:44,010 bow she was lost because her iPhone batteries I showed her 2888 02:55:44,010 --> 02:55:49,140 how to find a way to the coffee house. She was swiping right. 2889 02:55:49,380 --> 02:55:56,460 And so it was it. She is a millennial fell in love with 2890 02:55:56,460 --> 02:56:01,320 her. She took a scooter to the doggy daycare. Found her on 2891 02:56:01,320 --> 02:56:06,420 Instagram. She posted pressed me I liked all pictures so she know 2892 02:56:06,420 --> 02:56:12,600 that I can called an Uber and I put in my 12 gauge plugs I 2893 02:56:12,600 --> 02:56:16,950 picked her up at a park full of tents and tram she had a 2894 02:56:16,950 --> 02:56:21,630 shopping cart full of stuff I said wait you're homeless? She 2895 02:56:21,630 --> 02:56:47,520 said yeah, I guess I am. Hobo 2896 02:56:47,760 --> 02:56:54,900 Adam Curry: borak.org/and A Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, 2897 02:56:55,140 --> 02:56:55,740 whoa, whoa.