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mo fax with Adam curry for
January 13 2020 This is episode

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number 21 And hello mr. Moe.

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How you doing sir?

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I am good mo it's very sad day
of course for this show as as we

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mourn the suspension of Cory
Booker's campaign he was our

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last hope.

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Happy trails to you, Cory.

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The news is kind of going crazy
to like what there's a there's

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only white guys up on stage that
includes Elizabeth Warren as a

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white guy.

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I heard I heard that too. Like,

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just going nuts over it. Anyway.
Today, I don't know where I

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mean, you always surprise me
with with your topics. And

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compliments again for the last
show, man that was that was a

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lot of fun. I love seeing people
on no agenda social.com or on

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Twitter where they're like, Wow,
holy crap. I learned something

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that kind of changed my
perspective. That's fantastic.

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I'm sure you see this too.

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Yeah. And the last clip threw
everybody for a loop. So I mean,

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I took great joy, Matt. Oh,

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if you didn't get to the to the
end, you miss something? Because

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yeah, that totally. I mean, we
could hardly even end the show.

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She's like, okay. Just Just
guess I guess I'll get ended

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now. Okay.

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Like the Sopranos.

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Exactly, exactly like that.
Exactly. So we do think we're

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bringing you some substantial
value here. And we'd like to see

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if you could reciprocate, it's a
pretty simple system value for

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value. You listen to us. If this
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numbers and go to mo fund me.com
mo e fund me.com. Of course, Mo

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facts.com. And you can support
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some nice donations. I don't
know if we're ready to do a

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thank you segment. But we did
get some nice donations in.

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I will say this to one's special
of I guess producer family. I

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don't know what you want to call
them. But thank you, you know

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who you are. What's your special
number? And thank you. Thank you

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very much.

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Okay. All right. So this is what
we call an anonymous friend of

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the family. Yes. friend of the
family. Okay. I like it. All

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right. Friends and a family
friend to the family. Excellent.

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So what are we doing? Mo what?
What's on

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deck? Show top Eisah?

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Ah, yes. The patriarchy. Okay.
The patriarchy. I've always

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wondered. So we're doing a show
tonight. She

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got it twice. It's

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a show about me basically, am I
not a part of the problem? Am I

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not in the patriarchy?

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Well, I'll think it's more of me
being the problem. Maybe your

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influence on me. Okay, all
right. Not personally, but just

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what we what we've seen here is
we talked about this before, and

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2020 that politically, we're
going to see a wedge driven

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between black men and black
women, yes. With black women

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supposedly

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needing to take charge and show
their black men the error of

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their ways.

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Yes, the powers that be want to
isolate black women into their

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own demographic. And so I've
been seeing little jabs, verbal

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bombs cherry bomb has been
lobbed over, you know, but this

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one really caught me and I was
like, Okay, it's official. I'm

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our black man capable of
maintaining a law relationship.

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I don't speak for the black
community. But I do think that a

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lot of black men, they really
don't know how to have true

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faithful relationships. They
think because they have money,

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because they have power that
they can treat women any kind of

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way. Loni Love is saying and
that is something we need to

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work on. We are still dealing
with the point of slavery, and

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we are descendants of slavery.
And because our families were

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broken up, we still do not have
idea of what how to have

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together families because our
families are broken

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up. Wow. Okay, a lot of things
in there. First of all, this is

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the real, isn't it? The talk
show? Yes. The real Loni Love.

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Yes, it was Lonnie. I don't know
her.

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She's a black lady, the heavyset
black lady.

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I know who she is. Yeah. All
right. Got it. Right. And

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before this clip of maybe a
month or two ago, she let it be

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known that she's interracially
dating older white men and I've

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noticed since Then she's been
throwing little, you know,

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little baby jabs at black men,
but she just really came out and

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say a whole group of people, a
whole group of people or

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not, it was completely racist,
bigoted.

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And if, if this would have
happened, and she came back and

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gave apology, then this really
wouldn't be a show. For her

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network. Yeah, not to come out
and make her apologize to a

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whole demographic of people.
Yeah, that let me know that this

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is sanction. Not maybe
influenced or make a tow to say

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this, but it's like, okay, yeah,
we can let that ride. Did you

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see

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any pushback on Twitter or any
other social media about about

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what you said, because I didn't
see anything.

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Because this set, this set the
black manosphere, which is a

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thing, I saw black YouTube, it's
more like the kind of like the

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MiG towel. Ish. I don't want to
put that label on there men

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going their own way. Yeah, men
going their own way. Black men,

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black people that are black
positive towards black males.

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I'm hearing a branding
opportunity here. Because we

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need to be able to name this. I
understand what you're saying.

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But there's no name for it yet.

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When there actually is a couple
of people who have coined the

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term. I call it the black
manosphere. But it set it on

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fire. Oh, oh. Okay. She said
that. She's interracial dating.

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And she kind of made the excuse
of why? Well, she did

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something kind of nasty. She,
she kind of said, well, you

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know, this is all historical.
And it's no man about the house

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is I guess what she referred to?

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What? No, wait a minute. She
went all the way back to

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slavery, right is bullcrap.
Right? Which is bullcrap.

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Because on this show, we've
discussed the town right after

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slavery, black people had a high
level of two parent households

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marriage. That's right. And it
declined in the 1940s 50s 60s.

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To where is the state is now. So
that was bush. She was even

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incorrect in her analysis of why
it was. But my thing is for her

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to be able to say that on a
national television show, and

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nobody made her apologize or
walk it back or anything that

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lets you know that it's open
season on black men and black

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patriarchy.

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Not to belabor it. What's the
name of her? Her her older

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boyfriend? I have no idea.
Because he's not he's not he's

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like he's not known. And that's
the other thing is like you

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didn't you?

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Okay, I'm looking. Well, you
know, I'm, I'm, I'm naturally

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curious. Okay, his name is James
Welsh. All right. Okay, boring

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guy. All right, let's onward.

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Okay, so onward. She's not the
first person as I stated before,

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that has said, derogatory
comments about men. And

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sometimes when people say men,
they only mean a specific group

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of men. We had a singer named
Kay Michelle. This I did a show

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on my, on my YouTube channel,
where she says, quote, I don't

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think men are good people. So
they pressed her on this topic

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on this radio show. Notice the
radio black radio where she's

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propagating this, this mindset,
and she said, Oh, no, I'm a good

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person. I know as my dad. That's
it. So after that, I took this

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next clip. I took went back and
listen to see if I need to clip

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that part. But it wasn't really
I just expressed to you what she

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said. But I felt this little
nugget that I found interesting

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nowadays, that's not the man
that I see. They don't have any

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of it no heart like that. Like I
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wanted to go to Campbellton and
I say like hey, you finna get

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it. Yes, I am. And I went back
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and young do X me? He said Who
What were your security? Where

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you when I said Well, sir, how
old are you? I said why are you

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asking me for just security?
You're supposed to secure me

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you're a black man. Yeah, like
why gotta be scared around

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you're you're supposed to
protect babies and men speak at

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ease man I'm protecting nobody
think that is because they mom

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was embrace. And I And they,
they see is what they seen. If

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you don't know you don't know.
They haven't even seen better,

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you know, for them to know how
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All right. Here's what I heard.
I heard a number of things. The

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one that was, I think would be
quite offensive is their mama

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didn't raise him. Did I nail it?
Yeah, that you don't. By the

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way, you don't say that to a
black mother. I don't care if

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it's true or not, unless you
want to get that shoe by Eddie

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Murphy.

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So here's what she made a valid
point. Who raised him, right?

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Who raised these young men,
their mothers for the majority?

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Not fathers. Yep. And this is
the, this is really the point I

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want to make in this show and
highlight in the show, and we're

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not going to be attacking
anybody because not what we're I

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really do. highlight how things
are, how they got that way. And

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who was behind it? That's kind
of like what we do on the show.

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Oh, yeah. So for her to say, why
did she say the father's?

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Because that was where you would
think a man would get his male

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traits to protect them, you
know, masculine need to be

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protected for women and children
and things of that nature. You

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would say, oh, man, your father
didn't teach you anything? Well,

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I presume she's making a
generalization that black men

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grow up without their fathers.

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Exactly. And that's the root of
the problem. That is the root of

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the problem. How can you learn
something for somebody that

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they're not there to teach you
now, we're gonna get into why we

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spoke about why have no man in
the house, and it just became

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now it's cultural. It's
cultural. But there was a there

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was a period. I mean, some
things that happened in between

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them no man house period. And
now that we're really going to

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deep dive in, because I know
people like oh, we kind of

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covered this topic before. Yes,
we did. But there's one segment

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of time that we didn't really
get into. But you're probably

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wondering, why is this a big
issue? Why where did this really

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crop up at? So I was looking
through some old clips I had,

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and I found this interesting one
from MSNBC and Donny Deutsch.

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Oh, this guy. That guy.

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Yeah. Okay. Donny Deutsch,
former advertising executive.

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Here

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we go. Donald Trump was the
aggressor was taking it to her.

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What he lost the debate and let
me tell you why. It's very

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simple. Okay. This is no longer
about politics. This is gender

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war. Okay. This is I've spent
1000s of hours with with in

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women focus groups. And the
Friday Thau to do sneaky. Really

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nice. Friday thing of, we don't
have to reboot of grabbing

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women. Every woman in America
was listening, you would dismiss

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it was lensing that from last
night as he was lurking behind,

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as Nicole Wallace said, I would
have call 911 As he was telling

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me, he's going to jail, her
women in America are going to

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stand up and revolt. It's always
been about the women, and there

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will be more to come. And the
words didn't mean anything. What

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when every woman in America who
has ever been held down,

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oppressed, harassed, there is
something in them, there's a

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nerve that hits that so
transcends everything else. And

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if you're not seeing that,
you're missing them. By the way,

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it's not the point that men
objectify women will not. It's

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what they heard

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and saw. Okay, where did How do
you interpret this? This is a

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gender war. Well, of course.

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Rice, how about World War Three?
Iran, no, World War Three is the

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gender war. And it's the end it
got hot 2016 or leading up into

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2016 the election, that's when
it went hot, it was cold. But

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now, this is where we're at. And
I noticed a stretch you like,

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come on Mo, but for a certain
group of women to come out on

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television and target a whole
demographic. Repeatedly, woman

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after a woman I could I could
attend to these clips of

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celebrities quote unquote
celebrities saying sideway

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things towards black men.

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Yeah, it's interesting. You
brought Donny Deutsch in because

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what he I think specifically in
what you know, the Morning Joe

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show that he's on what they they
really are, or they believe, and

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I think that correct. They are
speaking to white suburban moms.

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So it is a gender war, but it's,
it's right now you've got an old

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white dude, saying this, but
what I'm hearing here in your

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clip from the real is now we
have black women basically

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trying to split off black women
from black men.

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Yes, because they don't want
that mindset of asking for a

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tangible wheels. Which tangibles
is a logical thing? You give me

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something for something return?
No, they want the emotional

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play. So they need us out of the
way. So they can run their

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emotional script like they've
been doing for ages, because it

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doesn't work on this anymore.
For the most part, I mean, take

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that back. It doesn't work on a
sizable portion of the black

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male community doesn't work
anymore. And it's funny that you

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said that. This is great. Why
you said that. You said that.

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MSNBC morning, Joe targets white
suburban women. That's right.

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Well, it was something I
couldn't clip because it was

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visual. So you have mica, key
mouse to a black female pundit

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when it was on this panel? Oh,
that thing you said about white

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women is like it was really an
honorable, so you couldn't

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really? Can't you read lips and
see what she's saying? She said,

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Thank you, the thing you said
about white women and you're

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like, not it and then the black
female pundit dove right in. And

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it was like, Yeah, white women
frolic can see about being

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victimized about Donald Trump
when him saying grandpa, the you

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know what, now they can see the
pain, you know, and then Myka

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give us a Okay, sound like
great. That's great. Okay, so

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now, I'll post it on my Twitter.
So people can see that clip. But

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it was just amazing. Like, right
on cue. She sent you're saying,

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like, get him. And that's where
we're at right now. Get them

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right.

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But but at this point, we are
talking about talking heads and

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pundits on television who may
have a have a different who have

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an agenda and have a program
they're running through. I don't

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know if this is I doubt this is
universal outside of television,

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land and politics land. Or is

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it we're going to investigate
the influence of television?

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Good. Well, how it shrinks.

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Down sucks everybody up. Yes,
exactly.

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But Loni Love, she's not a
political pundit. I mean, she

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does daytime television, which I
think daytime television is some

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of the most powerful propaganda.
Sometimes, I mean, I'm off on

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weekdays, I used to be off
weekdays, and I would just sit

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down and watch it. I'm like,
holy crap. I mean, this is a

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straight up. Oh,

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well, you know, I'm I'm a view
watcher. So yeah, right. Oh,

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totally. It's all it's a massive
propaganda and shaming group

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thing, shaming, Kancil culture.
Oh, yeah. It's all there.

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Absolutely.

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So I just took that away. So we
can't just poopoo what Lonnie

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says, and I can say this stuff.
What got me was, you know, most

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of the time the net were like,
well, you need to go clean that

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out, you know, and that just
goes to show you what I think

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about black men. We're not a
demographic or any other group

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you can say. Yeah, Lumberjacks?
No, say I can't maintain a

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relationship and you know, the
lumberjack contingency would

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come out. Say you need to back
off the lumberjacks and

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you'd have a spokes spokes hole.
At least you'd have someone to

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write a union.

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Ronnie Yeah.

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Exactly. Right.

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All right. So what are your
favorite guys? Jason Whitlock?

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Oh, yeah. I love this guy. He
said from Fox News, Fox Sports.

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One Fs one. Yeah.

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Yes. But I found him doing an
interview on a podcast called

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scone TV unscripted.

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Now, we know that on podcast
people always get loose. And I

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think Whitlock is he talks
really straight on mainstream

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TV. So I can't wait to hear what
he's got to say here. I am a fan

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of this guy.

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Is the honest truth about how to
set loose. Whitlock one

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patriarchy,

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believe in family. But believe
in the patriarchy where and

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again, I don't talk. I am the
patriarchy. I tell people up

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front. You know it. I pay a
price for that with these woke

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women out here now. But I
believe men and women have

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unique responsibilities. And I'm
willing to live up to my as a

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man. I don't and again, unique
responsibilities, not unequal

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responsibilities, unique
responsibilities. All the

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responsibilities that apply to a
man I'm willing to take on.

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Okay, fair enough. So I think
that was a clear statement of

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where if you had to say where
the black patriarchy was, we all

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know what our responsibility is.
And we will listen to the guys

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that that live up to that
standard.

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And what does that mean what I
gotta call you mo what does that

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mean? What is what is the
standard? What is it What is

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that?

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Living, he said, It's protecting
women protecting children, being

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a provider, being responsible
for your actions, using logic

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over emotion. It's

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a very visionary, very
traditional approach to a real

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area.

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Bear Baer and Mrs. This was the
bedrock of the black community,

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before you had the second wave,
feminism come in, and it kind of

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drove a wedge there. Now, and
now we're seeing the results, a

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third wave, and we're seeing the
destruction of the black family

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structure. And this is where
we're at. And it's like, now

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with the information age, where
people can pinpoint where we

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went wrong. People can go back,
read literature, watch videos,

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see stuff, how things really
went down, and it can pinpoint

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it. It's like, oh, we're not
going to recreate the or redo

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those mistakes. We want to fix
it. So you have a lot of guys a

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sizable number of guys that want
to be fathers in their homes.

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They want to be providers to
their wives, you know, what? To

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get what we respect and return.
That's where the rub is. And I

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want to lead off with that clip.
But here's because men and women

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are equal. They're not the same,
but they are equal. And we have

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unique roles of all

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men, you know, that's so
unwelcome view. I mean, that's,

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I'm just saying there's so
there's an additional dynamic to

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this is what you see as it
traditional, or the roles and

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the relationship, which I'm not
disagreeing with. is So

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traditional that it's actually
not woke. And I think there's a

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brain fry going on with some
people. When you want Yes, yeah.

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This is the new woke.

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And the reason why I say what I
think well is used to mean

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counterculture, counter culture.
And patriarchy in the black

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community is the new
counterculture. Masculinity is

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the new counterculture. Not
toxic, not toxic in the form of

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masculinity of bravado and being
overly gangster

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or whatever. No, but the show
that literally patriarchal,

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funny enough, that that's
exactly what we requested

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patriarchy Oh, no, this is this
is the brain fry. Yeah.

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But let's get here's some more
Jason, Jason Whitlock, our black

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family,

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all kinds of decisions are being
made all kinds of new cultural

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norms are being established.
Hmm, that perhaps you don't

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agree with and, but you're
running around chasing after

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Trump, and don't even care that
all your cultural norms are

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being reshaped. And, again, we
have created particularly, is

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throughout American society, but
it's most acute in our society.

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We have been convinced as black
men and women that we don't need

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each other. That's the most
toxic poisonous dangerous

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creation we can have.

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We're on the precipice of self
destruction if that takes root.

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Wow.

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Yeah, so anyway, here's the
thing. However, other people

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want to live their lives. It
doesn't bother me. I've voiced

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my opinion on it should be a
parent in the home and

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apparently that works. I think
that's the best situation now

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that's not ideal for everybody
because of financial reasons.

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I'm not saying one gender is
obligated to stay at home and

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one genders not. But I think
traditionally one parent should

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be able to stay at home. And
just to point that out, um, what

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we should be fighting for
instead of the gauge was the

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wage gap. We shouldn't be
fighting for a wage where

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families can live off one income
Yeah, no kidding. If we all got

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on the same page, but the power
structure doesn't want that.

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That's why I said this is world
war three and it's being fought

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in the kitchens and living rooms
and bedrooms inside the homes.

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When you say the power structure
doesn't want that. I had

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what what don't that what for
what reason does the power

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structure not want that

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All right, here's my theory. It
just my theory. Okay, after

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World War Two, and we heard some
of this on the show, black man

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came back from World War Two
wanting to have a piece of

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American Pie, right? Because it
was to be had I mean, we had the

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spoils of war going into the
1950s. That was like the ideal

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American time, minus the right
stuff minus the right stuff,

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just American life, when you
watch American television, you

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know, you had two cars and the
white picket fence and the two

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and a half kids, you know,
everything, which is perfect,

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right? What did that lead to the
1960s, where you had the

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generation of free thinkers? And
they said, No, we can't have

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that anymore. We need to keep
everybody so stressed,

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financially and otherwise, that
they can't produce free

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thinkers.

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Is that crazy? No, no, I did not
at all.

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Not at all. So I think that was
the problem, like and they

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looked in the 60s like, Oh, this
is what prosperity breeds. But

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you know, what's your free
thinkers? Training Camp,

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but it's pretty short sighted
this current strategy, but I

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guess they're certainly in power
and politics. Everything is

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short sighted. It's a short
cycle. And yeah, I

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mean, because they're gonna prop
anyway. And I mean, they just,

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they're too big to lose. I mean,
not you not to use a cliche, but

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they really are too big to lose.
So I mean, it's not about

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profits, then it's about
control, right? Yes, no, yeah.

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And

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desperate, desperate men,
desperate times Desperate

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Measures, and all in full in
chop away.

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And speaking of control, wanted
to control mechanisms is well,

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Jason speaks on that and
Whitlock to

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again, you got to social media
is not the real world. In my

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view, that is a world controlled
by Silicon Valley, and how white

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liberals and other liberal
activists, how they want us to

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be perceived, is what social
media is particularly Twitter,

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and the whole Black Twitter
phenomenon that they created.

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That perception that there's a
Black Twitter, and that Black

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Twitter has a monolithic liberal
voice. That's a creative thing.

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Yeah, for sure. I mean, I'm in
I'm in great Twitter. And I see

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that I see a lot of interesting
conversations, certainly not a

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lot of agreement. That's I don't
see one big block, but that is

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what it can be perceived as and
shaped as and called for sure.

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And this is the council culture.
This is the control mechanism

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that we were speaking about how
you can basically control

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people's thoughts. Yeah, in a
way, it's like, when it doesn't

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fly on Twitter, you'll start to
self censor, it's like, oh,

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that's, that's not trending, or
this is trending. Oh, this is

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trending. Now I need to recap

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exactly, even better than that
is. And this is just my view of

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what I call the machine. But you
know, if you can get and you

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just as you said, you try this
No, didn't work. Get this, oh, I

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got something going global. He,
I'm trending now. And then how

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can I get it to spill over onto
cable television? That happens,

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you know, then it's great,
because then the whole machine

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goes, then the clips are put on
Twitter. And then it's just a

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perpetual motion, just a cycle
that goes over and over again,

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and can get really strong like a
cyclone.

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And we've seen this because Miss
Loni Love statement. You can go

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on Twitter and find this
statement anywhere. It's just

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that it's become so comfortable
on social media. Now it's being

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said for public consumption
across the airwaves. Right. But

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my biggest thing was the lack of
apology, then that means in the

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place where illegal gets called
for everything. Right? had to

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say about this.

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Yeah, and I don't think you're
obviously I don't think you're

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like personally outraged and
offended, but you're looking at

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the facts of it. No apology
requested. Okay, this is

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messaging.

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My point exactly. My feelings
weren't hurt at all. I mean,

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like, they can keep mommy
whoever, whatever. But

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dude, I think I think it's
punishment enough. You got to

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watch the real. I mean, that's
pretty harsh.

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00:29:24,869 --> 00:29:32,219
Yeah, yeah. That's hard. Oh, but
it's not only on social media

442
00:29:32,249 --> 00:29:37,469
that the powers that be they
were as we refer to them, um,

443
00:29:37,469 --> 00:29:44,159
lovely. They want to control
other forms of entertainment.

444
00:29:44,399 --> 00:29:46,649
And that's lit Whitlock 3.1.

445
00:29:47,069 --> 00:29:50,189
He's already said something
about masculinity a few times.

446
00:29:50,189 --> 00:29:56,909
You referenced it right now. The
NFL is a very masculine sport,

447
00:29:56,939 --> 00:29:57,659
is it not?

448
00:29:57,990 --> 00:30:01,200
Without question? It's the most
men esculin thing in pop

449
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,470
culture, and it's the most
powerful thing in pop culture

450
00:30:05,579 --> 00:30:12,959
are this sort of sort of effort
underway to email escalate NFL

451
00:30:12,959 --> 00:30:14,909
players, black NFL players,

452
00:30:14,970 --> 00:30:22,620
they love black, the NFL, is the
largest showcase of black

453
00:30:22,620 --> 00:30:27,300
masculinity we've ever seen in
America. It's the most popular

454
00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:35,130
show on Fox, ESPN, ABC, NBC and
CBS. That's five television

455
00:30:35,130 --> 00:30:39,240
networks that the NFL is the
number one show on that's

456
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,570
unprecedented in pop culture
that's unprecedented in

457
00:30:42,570 --> 00:30:47,730
television history. And so and
it's a showcase of black male

458
00:30:47,730 --> 00:30:51,120
masculinity. And I just don't
think some people are

459
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,820
comfortable with that. Oh,

460
00:30:54,359 --> 00:30:58,409
I know a couple things. But man,
if they start to mess with most

461
00:30:58,409 --> 00:31:01,559
football, man now and it gets a
it is gonna get personal.

462
00:31:02,220 --> 00:31:05,220
They already have. And that's
that was the thing with the

463
00:31:05,220 --> 00:31:08,370
Colin Kaepernick thing. Course
it was about discordantly

464
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:13,290
Discordian ism. It was about
okay, if we go push this agenda

465
00:31:13,290 --> 00:31:17,970
and then Western, as I've said
before, we're always the first

466
00:31:17,970 --> 00:31:21,360
through the door, the race thing
is always the first to the door.

467
00:31:21,930 --> 00:31:28,410
And then we're left holding the
door for everyone. So if it's

468
00:31:28,410 --> 00:31:33,120
Colin Kaepernick thing flies,
then we the doors open, you

469
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,900
know, we can wedge everything
else and attack the most

470
00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:41,910
masculine thing in American pop
culture as Whitlock said, and

471
00:31:41,910 --> 00:31:45,330
it's the biggest television show
go it's number one. Oh, tell it

472
00:31:45,330 --> 00:31:52,830
TVs? Yeah. Number one on five
stations Biden? No. By landslide

473
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,500
you know, um, so that was that
we're seeing it start to

474
00:32:00,540 --> 00:32:02,970
it's the beginning of the end.

475
00:32:04,530 --> 00:32:08,940
Well, I think that was the that
was the flag was planning. It

476
00:32:08,940 --> 00:32:14,880
was like, No, you're not going
to touch my NFL. Not because of

477
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,750
some self righteous thing. I
think men that's our only escape

478
00:32:18,750 --> 00:32:22,980
left is sports. Right? NFL being
the biggest mental escape.

479
00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:28,080
Because when you work a nine to
540 hours a week. Saturday's

480
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,200
meant for the family, and
Sunday's meant for my football.

481
00:32:33,090 --> 00:32:35,850
Now I'm just telling you the
average American of course

482
00:32:35,850 --> 00:32:37,500
that's American as apple pie.

483
00:32:37,890 --> 00:32:40,350
I'm not out of touch mo I know

484
00:32:44,970 --> 00:32:47,820
give you just give you some
perspective. Little inside

485
00:32:47,820 --> 00:32:56,670
baseball. I'm here we go. black
churches. And our schedule

486
00:32:56,670 --> 00:32:57,810
around football.

487
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,400
Oh, this is good. This is true
inside baseball. And we're

488
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,000
talking football. This is a good
one. I like it. This is I did

489
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,160
not realize i Okay. All right.

490
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,990
Black church really starts at
10 3011 o'clock right am but on

491
00:33:12,990 --> 00:33:17,190
Super Bowl Sunday. Well, no.
1245 you're looking at your

492
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:22,680
watch. You're looking at the
pastor. kickoff.

493
00:33:23,639 --> 00:33:26,849
And the pastor's looking back
going. I know kickoffs at one.

494
00:33:27,329 --> 00:33:31,349
Right. Normally there's a cop. I
mean, the people usually

495
00:33:31,349 --> 00:33:35,519
congregate outside and chat and
y'all in no not not doing

496
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:40,799
football season. It's like wow.
Perspective. My dad used to

497
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:42,389
drive a separate car

498
00:33:42,569 --> 00:33:43,859
to leave early

499
00:33:45,270 --> 00:33:52,980
to leave on time now he will
leave early. It's a good story.

500
00:33:54,090 --> 00:33:58,320
tell you how powerful Oh yeah,
no, I get it. Oh, football is

501
00:33:59,430 --> 00:34:02,880
symbolic of war. I mean, it gets
the juices going.

502
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,270
And I want to remind people who
are listening because you know

503
00:34:06,270 --> 00:34:08,490
you and I just shooting the shit
with each other but there are

504
00:34:08,490 --> 00:34:12,090
people listening. Whenever most
says inside baseball, pay

505
00:34:12,090 --> 00:34:16,740
attention. That's that's time to
take it off. 1.5 times speed

506
00:34:16,740 --> 00:34:19,320
slow it down to one because
you're gonna learn something. I

507
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:20,790
love this one good nugget. Mo.

508
00:34:21,690 --> 00:34:25,530
Yeah, so I mean, just that was
hands off. And that's why you

509
00:34:25,530 --> 00:34:30,990
saw such a push back not only
among white males, but black

510
00:34:30,990 --> 00:34:33,720
males. It's like, do you mess
with my football? We went too

511
00:34:33,720 --> 00:34:38,130
far. Yep. Not boycott football.
Are you crazy? I mean, that was

512
00:34:38,130 --> 00:34:46,530
a real sentiment. But I digress.
And we'll let Jason continue on

513
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:47,730
toxic masculinity.

514
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,080
And I think if you look at our
society as a whole, there's an

515
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,860
attack on masculinity. They say
there's an attack on toxic

516
00:34:55,860 --> 00:34:59,910
masculinity. I say there's an
attack just on masculinity and

517
00:34:59,910 --> 00:35:04,440
you Arrow and football in terms
of pop culture is the head of

518
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,490
the snake. And yeah, I think
football is under attack for

519
00:35:08,490 --> 00:35:11,010
those political reasons wow

520
00:35:11,070 --> 00:35:15,390
what is the goal to be
masculine? It's such a masculine

521
00:35:15,390 --> 00:35:20,550
sport. So we should we start
playing flag football? Well,

522
00:35:20,580 --> 00:35:27,960
I think there's a group a part
of society that has decided that

523
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:36,510
men are the cause of all
problems in the world. And let's

524
00:35:36,510 --> 00:35:42,540
say that's true. But she also
got to give men credit for the

525
00:35:42,540 --> 00:35:45,450
good things in the world if they
get all the blame for everything

526
00:35:45,450 --> 00:35:49,380
where all the credit for
everything that's good and so

527
00:35:49,380 --> 00:35:52,650
don't try to well the bad things
are all on your own we got to

528
00:35:53,010 --> 00:35:54,630
the good things are on uh

529
00:35:56,340 --> 00:35:58,200
you know, I

530
00:35:59,190 --> 00:36:03,210
I'm a little torn because I
thought it was just the white

531
00:36:03,210 --> 00:36:06,600
guys who were the problem and I
you know, and I was kind of

532
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:09,330
bearing the brunt of that and
you know, now I got to share it

533
00:36:09,330 --> 00:36:18,060
with you Oh, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, well, this is not

534
00:36:18,060 --> 00:36:21,090
discussed. This is not discussed
or well known.

535
00:36:21,930 --> 00:36:25,260
We're about to get into the what
is the victim Olympics here?

536
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:31,560
We've been dealing with this for
so long it's just like it's not

537
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:36,240
you're just seeing you right
now. And our Stephen A Smith

538
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:41,280
says something and it's not
exactly correct. But it's

539
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:47,160
catching the way he says he says
when I'm when white people get a

540
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,300
cold black people get the flu? I
think that's how he says it. Oh,

541
00:36:52,170 --> 00:36:57,420
and whenever you see your
problem cropping up. Where the

542
00:36:58,260 --> 00:37:01,260
what is the thing I slips my
called the lead the lead

543
00:37:01,260 --> 00:37:06,690
indicator? Yeah. canary in the
coal mine? Yes, Black Pete black

544
00:37:06,900 --> 00:37:10,890
people in general. And black men
in this case are the lead

545
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,950
indicator. Pay attention what's
going on here?

546
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,760
i Oh, believe me I am. Even if I
don't like football, I get it. I

547
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,410
see the problem. I see it.

548
00:37:19,770 --> 00:37:26,340
This, this is the lead indicator
of well, okay, I'll let Jason

549
00:37:26,340 --> 00:37:27,990
Whitlock explain it new
leadership,

550
00:37:28,350 --> 00:37:33,660
the world and there's an element
of the world that wants to usher

551
00:37:33,660 --> 00:37:39,810
in a new leadership, female
leadership across the world.

552
00:37:40,110 --> 00:37:46,530
It's the time for man has passed
in their mind. And so again, if

553
00:37:46,530 --> 00:37:51,150
there's going to be an attack on
any group, black people are

554
00:37:51,150 --> 00:37:55,620
going to be the first people to
get back. And so I feel like I

555
00:37:55,620 --> 00:37:58,350
know why guys will disagree with
this, because I hear him crying

556
00:37:58,350 --> 00:38:02,070
all the time. They feel like
they're under the hardest

557
00:38:02,070 --> 00:38:04,590
attack. And I'm like, Man, y'all
don't even know.

558
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,510
Really. So now I get attacked by
my fellow man. Because I did

559
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:12,600
exactly the same thing. All
right. Well, you know what,

560
00:38:12,780 --> 00:38:15,990
thank you, MO. Thanks for
bringing this because I was

561
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:21,750
truly bigoted in thinking that
yeah, this is just the white man

562
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:27,210
who was hated. And now it turns
out to get to share. Yeah. And,

563
00:38:28,770 --> 00:38:32,700
and, and learn. Maybe there's a
couple of tips, maybe there's a

564
00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:36,150
few things that you've already
witnessed, experienced and

565
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:38,100
learned that you can pass on.

566
00:38:40,350 --> 00:38:42,090
That's why we're doing this
show. No, I

567
00:38:42,090 --> 00:38:43,680
know. And I'm just leading when
I'm

568
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,040
just saying what I'm what I'm
saying. Is this, this, this

569
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:52,530
specific show, that's why we're
doing it because there is a war

570
00:38:52,530 --> 00:38:56,040
going on. You might not have
been drafted yet. You might have

571
00:38:57,570 --> 00:39:02,100
not on the front lines yet. But
there is definitely. And I

572
00:39:02,100 --> 00:39:06,450
think, for older people, and
whilst the older my age and

573
00:39:06,450 --> 00:39:10,650
older, we don't experience it as
much because we went through the

574
00:39:10,650 --> 00:39:14,130
mating ritual. Yes. And a
different time.

575
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,340
No, I'm definitely, definitely
removed from from this for sure.

576
00:39:18,330 --> 00:39:24,030
But the younger people, I'd say
30 and under, they are going

577
00:39:24,030 --> 00:39:28,740
through this and it's man, I
would not want to be single now.

578
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,860
And I know that sounds weird,
because most people Oh, man, if

579
00:39:31,860 --> 00:39:36,360
I could do it, oh, no. I don't.
I would not want to have the

580
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,330
date and Miss environment
because it's the environment

581
00:39:39,330 --> 00:39:42,120
itself is toxic. It's not the
masculinity. It's the

582
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,140
interaction between the two
sexes this toxic

583
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:48,960
there's a lot going on for sure.

584
00:39:50,340 --> 00:39:57,720
Yes. But as we always do, we
have to go back and say where

585
00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:03,240
did this come from? Yes. Oh,
What was the source of it? So I

586
00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:09,330
did a little digging. This is on
Brooklyn TV, a television show

587
00:40:09,330 --> 00:40:14,310
called BK live, and it discusses
black radical feminists over the

588
00:40:14,310 --> 00:40:14,910
years.

589
00:40:15,150 --> 00:40:17,880
I mean, the women in this
exhibition, many of them were

590
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,820
part of organizations that were,
you know, quote unquote,

591
00:40:20,820 --> 00:40:23,850
mainstream feminists, they were
in dialogue, I don't at all want

592
00:40:23,850 --> 00:40:26,340
to create the impression that
this was like a deep schism and

593
00:40:26,370 --> 00:40:29,160
there was no interaction because
in fact, the model that I would

594
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,550
use that Katherine and I, my co
curator come up with is much

595
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:36,270
more of a Venn diagrams, like
some of these people appear in

596
00:40:36,270 --> 00:40:40,170
so many different places, they
would maybe be involved with MS

597
00:40:40,170 --> 00:40:42,720
magazine, which was founded by
Gloria Steinem and Letty

598
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:47,280
typography in a very kind of
mainstream feminist publication.

599
00:40:47,310 --> 00:40:50,220
But you know, Faith Ringgold
appears in that publication.

600
00:40:50,220 --> 00:40:54,180
Alice Walker was an editor Toni
Morrison wrote many kinds of our

601
00:40:54,180 --> 00:40:57,360
iconic figures black woman
feminists appeared in that

602
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:58,950
publication. Hmm.

603
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,830
Well, yes, I know it's coming.
When you mentioned Gloria

604
00:41:01,830 --> 00:41:04,170
Steinem. I think we brought it
up on the show before, haven't

605
00:41:04,170 --> 00:41:04,470
we?

606
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,850
Yes, and it's this is these next
to clip a throwback clips, but

607
00:41:08,850 --> 00:41:12,840
we have to do it for
perspective. And just to really

608
00:41:13,410 --> 00:41:18,390
well, as the lady said, on the
last clip, Miss magazine has MS

609
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:23,880
magazine, and employ a ton of
black feminist in the era of the

610
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:30,120
1970s 1980s. And these women
went into gone to be the

611
00:41:30,750 --> 00:41:36,780
pinnacle of black feminism. And
it had a source which is Gloria

612
00:41:36,780 --> 00:41:40,290
Steinem. But Gloria Steinem had
an interesting connection.

613
00:41:40,530 --> 00:41:43,680
GLORIA at the festival, you
worked for the independent

614
00:41:43,740 --> 00:41:47,910
research service. Club, exactly,
when

615
00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:52,200
did your own association with
the CIA start and in what

616
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:57,450
fashion they come to you or to
do go to them? In 1958, when I

617
00:41:57,450 --> 00:42:01,920
came home from, from India, I
discussed with student leaders

618
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:06,060
past and present, many of them
active with the National Student

619
00:42:06,060 --> 00:42:11,310
Association, this kind of small
foundation to encourage

620
00:42:11,310 --> 00:42:16,680
Americans to go, they thought it
was a good idea to I was then

621
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:21,780
told by foundations and
professors and friends, that it

622
00:42:22,260 --> 00:42:25,290
that I should not do this, that
I would get in trouble with

623
00:42:25,290 --> 00:42:28,200
house on American Activities
Committee, the American Legion,

624
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:35,460
all of those 50 people. And I
became convinced that it was

625
00:42:35,460 --> 00:42:39,360
impossible. It was at that point
that the student leaders said to

626
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,260
me that they had in the past
received funds for international

627
00:42:43,260 --> 00:42:47,430
programs from the CIA, and that
they felt that this was

628
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:50,280
important and could also be
partly funded by the CIA. I

629
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:53,430
know there's such a
philanthropic organization,

630
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:58,860
those CIA guys, we just feel
it's good. Don't worry. It's

631
00:42:58,860 --> 00:42:59,760
good work.

632
00:43:01,170 --> 00:43:07,710
So Gloria, she's obviously
connected to the, the CIA,

633
00:43:07,740 --> 00:43:10,500
but I love how she when I came
back from India, I was

634
00:43:10,500 --> 00:43:13,500
approached by the CIA, things
that don't happen to most

635
00:43:13,500 --> 00:43:15,600
people. It's I came back from
India.

636
00:43:17,070 --> 00:43:21,690
Right? And it's just that, but
what you will have to what most

637
00:43:21,690 --> 00:43:25,050
people will believe and even I
brought this up with my mother.

638
00:43:25,650 --> 00:43:29,370
And she didn't even know this.
And disparate perspective. My

639
00:43:29,370 --> 00:43:33,540
mom came up through the bra
burning era. She actually

640
00:43:33,540 --> 00:43:37,800
participated in that mindset,
which made me interested in

641
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,980
dinner conversations between her
and my father, which was,

642
00:43:41,610 --> 00:43:44,700
Oh, I'm sure he was not. Yeah,
not super stoked about it.

643
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:50,100
No, when I told her this, she
was like, what I was like, Yeah,

644
00:43:50,100 --> 00:43:50,610
most she didn't

645
00:43:50,610 --> 00:43:52,950
know I'm saying like she didn't
know about the CIA connection to

646
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:53,070
the

647
00:43:53,969 --> 00:43:57,089
very little people know about
this connection. Wow.

648
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,580
And she was shocked. Did she
feel like she probably had been

649
00:43:59,580 --> 00:44:02,070
a bit manipulated once once you
told her that?

650
00:44:02,850 --> 00:44:10,980
Yes. Yes, um, because these
women that were listed in the

651
00:44:10,980 --> 00:44:16,110
previous clip, were icons for
women her age, just like they're

652
00:44:16,140 --> 00:44:20,670
even icons for women. In present
day, they still selling their

653
00:44:20,670 --> 00:44:23,580
books. They're still getting
speaking engagements.

654
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:27,030
Well, Jane Fonda still has an
active career. She was a part of

655
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:28,530
the of the gang back then.

656
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:36,780
Exactly. So it's just that they
created these icons, to

657
00:44:36,780 --> 00:44:44,070
basically mislead are pushing
the agenda. So let's just get

658
00:44:44,070 --> 00:44:45,330
into part two of this clip,

659
00:44:45,870 --> 00:44:49,950
particular points of view to put
forward which would have been

660
00:44:49,980 --> 00:44:54,780
much much more restricting than
then the CIA funds were which

661
00:44:54,780 --> 00:44:57,420
were free. I mean, no one was
told what to say.

662
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:59,910
I mean, they were free. You mean
to say it was easier for you to

663
00:44:59,910 --> 00:45:01,710
win worked for the CIA that a
private?

664
00:45:01,890 --> 00:45:05,490
That's right. That's right. And
and the reason that I think that

665
00:45:05,490 --> 00:45:10,020
comes as a surprise is it did to
me at the time. I mean, I had

666
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:14,790
the conventional liberals view
of the CIA of right wing

667
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:21,390
incendiary group. And I was
amazed to discover, said this

668
00:45:21,390 --> 00:45:24,540
was far from the case that they
were enlightened, liberal,

669
00:45:24,780 --> 00:45:29,580
nonpartisan, activists of the
sort who characterized the

670
00:45:29,580 --> 00:45:35,070
Kennedy administration, for
instance. Wow,

671
00:45:35,340 --> 00:45:39,090
I played that clip just to let
people all people say, Oh, CIA,

672
00:45:39,090 --> 00:45:43,500
that's when you think CI you
think American Dad, you know,

673
00:45:43,530 --> 00:45:47,610
that prototype. But these were
very liberal thinking people

674
00:45:48,330 --> 00:45:54,780
that was passing around funds do
to propagate their ideologies.

675
00:45:56,130 --> 00:46:02,790
With that said, One name that
wasn't mentioned in the rundown

676
00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:06,960
of the radical black feminist
was Michele Wallace. Have you

677
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,730
heard of Michele Wallace before?

678
00:46:09,810 --> 00:46:16,350
Yes, this name rings a bell. We
talked about her before on the

679
00:46:16,350 --> 00:46:16,740
show.

680
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:22,860
a smidge it a smidgen. But it's
she's very important to this

681
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:30,750
narrative where we had yet okay.
Michele Wallace. She is best

682
00:46:30,750 --> 00:46:36,150
known for her 1979 book, black
macho and the myths of the super

683
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:36,600
woman.

684
00:46:37,110 --> 00:46:40,680
Oh, yeah. Okay. And this is

685
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:46,530
like one of the feminist Bibles
for modern day third wave

686
00:46:46,530 --> 00:46:51,600
feminist. So it says here, I'm
just going off the wiki here, it

687
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:57,480
just says the macho black macho,
was published in 1979. It

688
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,740
criticized sexism in the black
community and black nationalism

689
00:47:01,770 --> 00:47:07,920
in the 1960s. Remember, we had a
show about Black Nationalism

690
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,220
when what Malcolm X was talking
about, we need to be self

691
00:47:11,220 --> 00:47:15,000
sufficient. And all of a sudden,
here comes this woman with this

692
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:23,490
book. Basically, tearing it down
in a way she called it called

693
00:47:23,490 --> 00:47:29,820
demand hypermasculine hyper
sexualized, in orange, really

694
00:47:29,820 --> 00:47:33,570
strong black women unfit that's
what the Superwoman was, that

695
00:47:33,570 --> 00:47:37,590
wasn't in order in order only
strong black woman unfazed by

696
00:47:37,590 --> 00:47:42,330
white racism, which is weird,
because I don't want to get

697
00:47:42,330 --> 00:47:43,110
ahead of myself.

698
00:47:44,850 --> 00:47:47,100
Well, while you were talking,
I'm listening. And I'm also

699
00:47:47,100 --> 00:47:49,260
looking through some of her
career and I'm getting a much

700
00:47:49,260 --> 00:47:51,600
better picture of Miss Wallace
here.

701
00:47:52,739 --> 00:47:58,439
I think the reason why she is
lost to history. She is really

702
00:47:58,469 --> 00:48:02,279
her her work is out there, but
her herself is lost to history.

703
00:48:02,519 --> 00:48:04,709
And the reason why I say that is
they have no problem with the

704
00:48:04,709 --> 00:48:09,719
black macho part. But the
Superwoman part is actually a

705
00:48:11,039 --> 00:48:17,519
archetype now. Right? Beyonce?
Yes, an orderly strong black

706
00:48:17,519 --> 00:48:21,629
woman unfazed by white racism.
Right. Which, what brings to

707
00:48:21,629 --> 00:48:29,609
mind to me is scandal. Olivia
Pope. Hmm? Oh, like say Beyonce,

708
00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:31,709
Oprah Michelle Obama. Yeah, I

709
00:48:31,710 --> 00:48:34,860
mean, there's lots of lots of
super women.

710
00:48:35,580 --> 00:48:39,630
Right? So I think they embrace
the Superwoman part. So they

711
00:48:39,630 --> 00:48:42,330
didn't want to say the myth of
the super warming. So I think

712
00:48:42,330 --> 00:48:45,030
that's like kind of got a slider
to the side. And there were

713
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:49,770
other reasons that we'll get
into but, um, this is getting to

714
00:48:49,770 --> 00:48:51,990
the bio Miss Michelle Wallace.

715
00:48:52,199 --> 00:48:57,719
Oh, she became famous in 1979
when at 27, she published the

716
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:02,039
book Black macho, and the myth
of the super woman, a book in

717
00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:05,969
which she criticized black
nationalism and sexism. She

718
00:49:05,969 --> 00:49:12,509
completed her PhD in 1999 at NYU
and cinema studies. Her topic

719
00:49:12,539 --> 00:49:17,579
for a dissertation was passing
lynching and Jim Crow, US visual

720
00:49:17,579 --> 00:49:23,879
culture 1895 to 1927, in which
she wrote extensively about

721
00:49:23,879 --> 00:49:28,079
early film, including Uncle
Tom's Cabin, Birth of a Nation

722
00:49:28,499 --> 00:49:32,759
and the silent films of Oscar
mushroom. She's written a ton of

723
00:49:32,759 --> 00:49:37,289
books, her own books, but also
she's been the editor of

724
00:49:37,289 --> 00:49:41,219
multiple values. She is a prep
Professor currently at City

725
00:49:41,219 --> 00:49:46,589
College, New York and where she
teaches every semester and this

726
00:49:46,589 --> 00:49:49,919
semester in the fall semester,
she will be teaching a course on

727
00:49:49,919 --> 00:49:50,459
Toni

728
00:49:50,730 --> 00:49:57,810
Morrison. So that's her bio. And
I know you guys like oh minute

729
00:49:57,810 --> 00:50:01,800
sound quality's horrible. Well,
When I went to go deep with Miss

730
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,460
Michelle Wallace, the only
interview I could find her on

731
00:50:05,460 --> 00:50:10,140
YouTube was some lady in her
kitchen, interviewing her

732
00:50:10,770 --> 00:50:13,530
on Skype or something. Yeah, I
could hear the did Yeah. Yeah.

733
00:50:13,740 --> 00:50:17,430
I know you were like, your audio
file. So like, what the hell?

734
00:50:17,610 --> 00:50:20,400
But I mean that Well, that's it.
So there's no she she's been

735
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:21,630
marginalized. She's been

736
00:50:21,660 --> 00:50:27,750
whitewashed Dare I say I'm D
White, all

737
00:50:28,380 --> 00:50:34,800
white ball. So, but that's
weird. It's like the mother of

738
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,010
this book that was so poor. And
it was pivotal. Not not and I'll

739
00:50:38,010 --> 00:50:42,780
get it wrong. It was two books.
We're going to discuss in that

740
00:50:42,780 --> 00:50:46,320
time period. This being the
first one. She admits she made

741
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,520
the cover Miss magazine. That
was a it was a huge thing.

742
00:50:53,610 --> 00:50:59,430
Yes, so do I. So she's, she's
basically just, just not doesn't

743
00:50:59,460 --> 00:51:03,390
I mean, if you don't exist on
YouTube, do you exist at all

744
00:51:03,390 --> 00:51:03,960
really?

745
00:51:05,550 --> 00:51:10,710
Is zactly if you don't have a
body, I mean, because everybody

746
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:14,280
has VHS tapes. They're uploading
and yeah, I mean, listen to some

747
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:18,240
of the things we put on the show
that were captured in, you know,

748
00:51:18,690 --> 00:51:22,500
the most obscure places. And
this is modern day. I mean,

749
00:51:22,500 --> 00:51:25,170
think that interview May was
like two or three years old.

750
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:26,550
You're Skyping with

751
00:51:27,630 --> 00:51:30,750
me, she was also essence
magazine's editor at large and

752
00:51:30,750 --> 00:51:37,800
83. Uh, huh. columnist for The
Village Voice in the mid 90s. I

753
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,040
mean, this is this is a
published, she's published. But

754
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:45,720
even this stuff is like, oh,
that's, I guess the, you know,

755
00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:49,110
and all because of the myths of
the Superwoman part. Probably.

756
00:51:50,070 --> 00:51:52,560
That's what I assume. And
there's other reasons that we'll

757
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:53,490
get into. She's

758
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,060
been really been canceled, like,
for real? Yeah.

759
00:51:57,390 --> 00:52:03,180
Buried, buried in buried by
history. But let's get into her

760
00:52:03,180 --> 00:52:03,870
legacy.

761
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:08,010
So what do you want your legacy
to be? Because, you know,

762
00:52:08,580 --> 00:52:12,720
everything is changing, but the
work and the significance of

763
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:16,800
your work is not changing your
work is still significant, if

764
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:23,400
not more than it was 2025 30
years ago. So what would you

765
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:24,870
like for your legacy to be?

766
00:52:26,370 --> 00:52:34,050
Well, I don't know. It saddens
me somewhat that black macho, is

767
00:52:34,050 --> 00:52:38,640
still so deeply relevant for
young black women. I mean, for a

768
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,090
long time, I was in denial about
that. You know, what could you

769
00:52:42,090 --> 00:52:45,630
all possibly know about what
this was like? But apparently,

770
00:52:45,630 --> 00:52:47,010
it's still going on?

771
00:52:47,639 --> 00:52:52,739
And that sends me. Have you had
a chance to read the book?

772
00:52:52,739 --> 00:52:55,259
Manage No. Mo? Have you come
across it?

773
00:52:56,670 --> 00:52:59,580
No, I haven't came. I'm actually
going to order a copy.

774
00:53:00,300 --> 00:53:02,970
I'm thinking I want to read
this. Yeah,

775
00:53:02,969 --> 00:53:08,669
I actually do, too. I do too. I
mean, I've saw numerous videos

776
00:53:08,699 --> 00:53:11,429
of people discussing the book
and the impact it would have had

777
00:53:11,429 --> 00:53:14,699
on him, but I would like to read
it for myself. No, I just gotta

778
00:53:14,699 --> 00:53:19,169
gotta find a time. I mean, just
to be honest with you. But yeah,

779
00:53:20,069 --> 00:53:29,039
but at the same time. Oh, so she
got lost in history. And I

780
00:53:29,039 --> 00:53:32,909
couldn't find anything else
about her. I dug deep,

781
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:36,750
deep now. I know eaten you do
you research? No, no, there's no

782
00:53:36,750 --> 00:53:38,730
doubt about that. No doubt, no
doubt.

783
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:44,640
Interesting. But while digging
for her, and clips on her, I

784
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:50,280
found this clip and just to say
to people take this speaker with

785
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:54,000
a grain of salt, but the content
I have verified.

786
00:53:54,690 --> 00:53:59,100
In 1978, Gloria Steinem put a
book called Black macho and the

787
00:53:59,100 --> 00:54:02,910
myth of the super woman on the
cover of MS magazine. The book

788
00:54:02,910 --> 00:54:06,360
was written by a black feminist
and activist named Michelle

789
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,480
Wallace, who came out of
nowhere. Wallace was in her

790
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,020
early 20s At the time, as she
was being touted as the leader

791
00:54:13,050 --> 00:54:16,890
of black feminism. In the book
Wallace called abolitionists

792
00:54:16,890 --> 00:54:21,390
like Harriet Tubman and
Sojourner Truth, ugly and stupid

793
00:54:21,390 --> 00:54:24,840
for supporting Black men. She
called Black revolutionaries

794
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:29,190
chauvinist macho pigs and advise
black women to go it alone.

795
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,820
Gloria Steinem said that Wallace
his book would define the future

796
00:54:32,820 --> 00:54:35,790
of black relationships, and she
pushed hard to make sure the

797
00:54:35,790 --> 00:54:39,300
book received massive publicity.
Gloria Steinem's work triggered

798
00:54:39,300 --> 00:54:43,320
a flood of hate black men books
and films that continues to this

799
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:47,190
date. Needless to say, some are
quite suspicious of MS magazine

800
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:50,130
and Gloria Steinem. Why was
Steinem sticking her nose into

801
00:54:50,130 --> 00:54:53,340
the affairs of the black
community? So people started

802
00:54:53,340 --> 00:54:56,070
doing some research and stardom
when it came out that Gloria

803
00:54:56,070 --> 00:54:59,070
Steinem was probably the ghost
writer of the book with Michele

804
00:54:59,550 --> 00:55:02,700
Wallace. His name on it was had
a nervous breakdown and went

805
00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:04,110
into hiding for two years.

806
00:55:04,140 --> 00:55:09,750
Oh, well, you are keeping this
from me nice. Let's be very hard

807
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:11,910
when I asked these questions,
you already know what's coming

808
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:18,330
up next. Oh, this is great. I
had no idea about this. My mom

809
00:55:18,330 --> 00:55:23,340
was a big Gloria Steinem fan. I
mean, she now I got to what do I

810
00:55:23,340 --> 00:55:25,950
have 15 years on you? 10

811
00:55:26,969 --> 00:55:29,699
I think she was icon for a lot
of women. I mean, if you just

812
00:55:29,699 --> 00:55:33,959
take it at face value, as we
take all the leaders, you know,

813
00:55:33,989 --> 00:55:37,589
um, you could say the same thing
for me. Okay, whoever else, we

814
00:55:37,589 --> 00:55:42,059
don't understand the powers that
are behind them, that are

815
00:55:42,059 --> 00:55:49,649
propelling them on the TV screen
being what training is now. So

816
00:55:49,649 --> 00:55:54,719
to be on an front page of a
popular magazine, that's kind of

817
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,569
like trending number one on
Twitter now, oh, in a way,

818
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:03,000
but also Ms. Magazine, a black
feminist, and certainly in that

819
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,940
time, and it must have been
phenomenal. And it's

820
00:56:05,940 --> 00:56:10,080
interesting, because everything
that that I heard here would

821
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,260
work perfectly in today's world,
except for you know, the myth of

822
00:56:13,260 --> 00:56:16,590
the Superwoman, of course, but
maybe they can do an abridged

823
00:56:16,590 --> 00:56:21,120
version of the book. Yeah. No
myth.

824
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,870
Yeah. Yes. Except it. It's like,
yeah, no, you don't understand

825
00:56:24,870 --> 00:56:31,710
it. But I am this I am
Superwoman. Yes. Yeah. So there

826
00:56:31,710 --> 00:56:41,070
we have it. Seems that she was
backed by some nefarious agenda.

827
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:46,140
Well, worse. This is claiming
that that she was a phony, even

828
00:56:46,170 --> 00:56:49,230
that this book was written
indirectly by the CIA.

829
00:56:50,550 --> 00:56:53,520
And you wonder if you wrote a
killer book, you should be able

830
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,210
to at least maintain a career as
a writer. I'm not saying you

831
00:56:57,210 --> 00:57:00,240
mean, lightning long strike.
Once you know, it never strikes

832
00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:03,690
twice. But you should be able to
at least maintain it how other

833
00:57:03,690 --> 00:57:07,170
works. They'd be writing some
stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that

834
00:57:07,170 --> 00:57:09,780
would at least, you know, keep
your momentum going. But she

835
00:57:09,780 --> 00:57:10,620
just disappeared.

836
00:57:10,620 --> 00:57:17,010
Now. What would the benefit be?
For the for the powers that be

837
00:57:17,010 --> 00:57:22,200
to do this? So if the CIA is
supporting, is supporting this

838
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:26,010
indirectly, or actually quite
directly through Gloria Steinem,

839
00:57:26,010 --> 00:57:28,500
who may or may not have written
it, but certainly promoted it?

840
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:35,070
What is the agenda is the agenda
again, just control. It's still

841
00:57:35,070 --> 00:57:35,760
controlling, we

842
00:57:35,790 --> 00:57:39,540
hang with me now. I'm here.
Yeah, I'm no, no, no, I'm going

843
00:57:39,540 --> 00:57:42,270
to ask you a question. But I
want you to think about it as in

844
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:46,620
then and now. Okay. Okay, we're
gonna go a couple few shows back

845
00:57:46,650 --> 00:57:51,240
when Malcolm X was talking about
black people were not voting.

846
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:55,800
And because that was black
nationalism, right, not voting

847
00:57:55,800 --> 00:58:03,090
and door for ourselves and
having our own thing. And then

848
00:58:03,090 --> 00:58:07,830
she comes out with this book
attacking black nationalism. Oh,

849
00:58:07,860 --> 00:58:11,910
if a white person says Black
Nationalism is bad, that doesn't

850
00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:15,240
really do anything. You know, I
mean, it's like, yeah, of

851
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,400
course. It's bad. I mean, it's
not it's not good for you.

852
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:23,010
Second point. Gloria Steinem.
She says she was surprised by

853
00:58:23,010 --> 00:58:26,910
what made up the CIA, you would
think it'd be the super

854
00:58:26,910 --> 00:58:32,910
conservative organization. But
it was really a large group of

855
00:58:32,910 --> 00:58:34,140
liberal thinking people.

856
00:58:34,170 --> 00:58:37,950
Right, right. Right. Right.
Right. Right. So

857
00:58:37,980 --> 00:58:40,680
if Malcolm X says the Liberals
are the problem,

858
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:42,870
gotcha.

859
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:48,870
That you've been voting for.
He's got to go. And his ideology

860
00:58:48,870 --> 00:58:51,690
has to go with them. Because you
mean you can kill the man. But

861
00:58:51,930 --> 00:58:55,650
the bigger thing is killing the
ideology now. Now getting your

862
00:58:55,650 --> 00:59:01,830
time machine and come to 2020.
All right, you can see while the

863
00:59:01,830 --> 00:59:05,400
black male patriarchy is under
attack, again, because the black

864
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:11,730
male patriarchy is loosely based
in black nationalism in a way.

865
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:16,710
And it's weird because you hear
white nationalist, right.

866
00:59:18,090 --> 00:59:22,440
I was gonna say it's like, if I
called you a black nationalist,

867
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,710
that would make me a white
nationalist. By default, you

868
00:59:25,710 --> 00:59:27,150
know, I'm saying, Yeah, it's

869
00:59:27,810 --> 00:59:30,720
really funny. And we're equal.
We're equal and then the same

870
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:31,020
people.

871
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,710
Yeah, except I could get stoned
to death for saying it.

872
00:59:36,750 --> 00:59:39,510
Yeah, well, it's the same
sentiment towards me. Of course,

873
00:59:39,540 --> 00:59:42,810
no court. No, of course. No, of
course, global good national

874
00:59:42,810 --> 00:59:45,570
bad, but it's holy crap. You
know, most of

875
00:59:45,630 --> 00:59:49,320
it actually is a government
plot. We're not We're not. We're

876
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,570
not conspiracy theorists. We're
not just paranoid. They're

877
00:59:51,570 --> 00:59:57,540
actually out to get us. Yes. I'm
here to warn you. Thank you.

878
00:59:57,780 --> 00:59:59,970
Thanks. Just in time.

879
01:00:02,399 --> 01:00:07,859
All right, so um, where are we
at? Okay, so for every polar

880
01:00:07,859 --> 01:00:10,949
that needs to be a polar
opposite, thank you. And this in

881
01:00:10,949 --> 01:00:17,669
this same time, there was a lady
named Shirzad i Li, and she

882
01:00:17,669 --> 01:00:22,289
wrote a book, a very pivotal
book. Let me find the name of

883
01:00:22,289 --> 01:00:28,379
it. Very inflammatory book.
Also, the black Man's Guide to

884
01:00:28,379 --> 01:00:34,349
Understanding the black woman.
It was for this book, it was

885
01:00:34,349 --> 01:00:39,419
written in 1989. So that's, what
10 years later because as you

886
01:00:39,419 --> 01:00:45,329
heard the man, the speaker
before say, Michele Wallace will

887
01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:52,349
set off a bunch of blackmail
hate writing. So national one.

888
01:00:53,430 --> 01:00:58,350
I remember her I know you do.
Well, also I was working in New

889
01:00:58,350 --> 01:01:05,490
York and then we're where our
studios were was Donahue and

890
01:01:05,490 --> 01:01:08,820
Sally, Jessy Raphael. Maybe
that's not Donahue, I think is a

891
01:01:08,820 --> 01:01:11,400
good example. And who's the
other? The one who married

892
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:16,830
Connie Chung, Maury, Maury
Povich. She made Yes, yeah. I

893
01:01:16,830 --> 01:01:20,070
recognize that the head gear,
like oh, yeah, I remember her.

894
01:01:20,610 --> 01:01:21,600
very iconic.

895
01:01:21,750 --> 01:01:25,920
She got she got like a lightning
bolt. Yeah, yes. I was like,

896
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,440
African Queen thing going on
there. Yeah.

897
01:01:29,009 --> 01:01:34,889
Where she was hated. But let's
listen to her. Geraldo,

898
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,730
understandably created a
firestorm of controversy within

899
01:01:38,730 --> 01:01:41,940
the black community. And we have
assembled a distinguished group

900
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:46,320
to debate its premise. And its
message basically, that the

901
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,530
black woman is responsible for
most of what ails the black

902
01:01:49,530 --> 01:01:52,500
community. Now, before we get
into what promises to be a

903
01:01:52,500 --> 01:01:55,200
passionate debate, I'd like to
introduce you to Debbie

904
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,470
Mitchell, the CO producer of
this program. Debbie, I want to

905
01:01:58,470 --> 01:02:01,320
start. I know it's unusual. But
I want to start with two

906
01:02:01,410 --> 01:02:05,010
questions to you the producer of
the program. First of all, what

907
01:02:05,010 --> 01:02:07,410
do you think about the basic
premise of the book that the

908
01:02:07,410 --> 01:02:09,840
black woman is responsible for
most of what ails the black

909
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:11,490
community? First of

910
01:02:11,490 --> 01:02:14,460
all, black men and black women
knows that the black community

911
01:02:14,490 --> 01:02:18,900
is under strange right now. And
for Shahara Zod, a black woman

912
01:02:18,900 --> 01:02:23,400
to basically attack Black women.
I think that she's putting

913
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,680
blame. It seems like she's
putting blame on them for the

914
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:27,030
state of the situation.

915
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,690
Are you frightened by this book?
I mean, are people reading it?

916
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,440
Yeah, people are reading it is
specifically the younger black

917
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,080
males. I see a lot of them on
the trains when I'm coming into

918
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,390
where they're at their heads are
glued to the book, and it's

919
01:02:39,390 --> 01:02:39,900
scary.

920
01:02:42,060 --> 01:02:48,750
It's scary airy. Okay, I didn't
use much from that show for

921
01:02:48,750 --> 01:02:50,820
Harada. Except that
introduction. That was the

922
01:02:50,820 --> 01:02:56,550
introduction. That's how the
show started off. Right. Even he

923
01:02:56,550 --> 01:03:01,440
said is unusual. So you bring a
guest on you don't let detail

924
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,980
what you think the book is
about. And you don't let the

925
01:03:04,980 --> 01:03:09,930
guest speak and you go to your
block producer producer. Say

926
01:03:09,930 --> 01:03:12,330
this is kind of unusual, but I
don't want to ask you two

927
01:03:12,330 --> 01:03:14,550
questions about this book that
we haven't even talked about

928
01:03:14,550 --> 01:03:25,890
yet. That's not strange at all.
Well, of course. Yeah. So they

929
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,040
went in which she made the
rounds. That's what she got all

930
01:03:29,580 --> 01:03:34,140
malerkotla Watch pretty much all
of them, Geraldo, and they just

931
01:03:34,140 --> 01:03:39,780
said, Donahue. The 3d Head on
YouTube was Geraldo Donahue and

932
01:03:39,780 --> 01:03:41,220
it was another one I can't
remember.

933
01:03:41,220 --> 01:03:43,650
What's her deal? What is her
background? Who Where does she

934
01:03:43,650 --> 01:03:45,780
come in from what? Well, her

935
01:03:45,780 --> 01:03:49,620
background is she's uh, she
wrote several books. He's an

936
01:03:49,650 --> 01:03:57,210
author. This was her biggest
book by far. She has come from

937
01:03:57,210 --> 01:04:01,920
the teachings of the Nation of
Islam. Just to give you some

938
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:07,650
perspective of her ideology, but
yeah, it's, well, the thing I

939
01:04:07,650 --> 01:04:13,680
did, I kept digging. And I found
this obscure interview she had

940
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:21,660
with WFURWF su in 1991, which
was like it's kind of like a

941
01:04:21,660 --> 01:04:28,440
public access channel. And she
was seeing now what this black

942
01:04:30,060 --> 01:04:34,380
contemporary kind of
professional female, so it was

943
01:04:34,380 --> 01:04:38,940
like, okay, it was a good it was
a good long form interview. And

944
01:04:39,090 --> 01:04:42,420
let's get it to clip one from
that segment

945
01:04:42,629 --> 01:04:47,099
refused to give and that led me
to try to find out you know,

946
01:04:47,099 --> 01:04:49,229
we've always heard that the
black man leaves the black

947
01:04:49,229 --> 01:04:52,619
family abandons his woman and
children won't take care of the

948
01:04:52,619 --> 01:04:56,099
children won't work, stays out
all night turns into a drunk

949
01:04:56,099 --> 01:04:58,859
takes drugs. Now we've heard a
lot of negative things. Most of

950
01:04:58,859 --> 01:05:02,339
them are true, but I wanted to
find out what happens before he

951
01:05:02,339 --> 01:05:05,669
gets to that point. What leads
up to the breakdown, we've never

952
01:05:05,669 --> 01:05:08,729
gone back to try to find out
what happens in the relationship

953
01:05:08,729 --> 01:05:11,819
between the black man and a
black woman that makes him go

954
01:05:11,819 --> 01:05:15,059
off and do all of these bad
things. To assume that this is

955
01:05:15,059 --> 01:05:18,449
just normal natural behavior for
black men would be to assume

956
01:05:18,449 --> 01:05:21,899
that he is naturally bad. And I
do not believe that the man that

957
01:05:21,899 --> 01:05:25,769
God gave to us as a mate is a
naturally bad person. And so I

958
01:05:25,769 --> 01:05:30,539
wanted to try to examine what
goes on with him. What's his

959
01:05:30,539 --> 01:05:31,769
side of story that

960
01:05:32,730 --> 01:05:34,620
asked you to write this book?

961
01:05:34,650 --> 01:05:38,580
Oh, no, no, no, certainly not. I
think they were just as

962
01:05:38,580 --> 01:05:42,720
surprised as black when many of
them approached the title of the

963
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:47,400
book with a little apprehension,
because they have not had a

964
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,490
champion. We have never had a
black woman who actually stood

965
01:05:50,490 --> 01:05:54,210
up and said, I'm standing up for
the black man side of the story.

966
01:05:54,510 --> 01:05:58,620
We know what our side is. And
both sides are true. We have

967
01:05:58,620 --> 01:06:01,140
done some very dreadful things
to each other. And I don't

968
01:06:01,140 --> 01:06:04,680
exonerate black men, which is
kind of a misconception that

969
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:08,280
people have, I just say that we
know his side. What about our

970
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:09,960
side, and we do have a side.

971
01:06:12,660 --> 01:06:17,490
So that if you listen to the
Geraldo clip, she's attacking

972
01:06:17,490 --> 01:06:18,450
black women, and

973
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,460
I know it was very different was
was.

974
01:06:22,110 --> 01:06:25,800
Now, two things I want to say
first thing, some of the things

975
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:30,720
in her book are very
inflammatory. I'm not going to

976
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:34,200
poopoo it and that like she,
you're saying, No, some of the

977
01:06:34,230 --> 01:06:38,340
but I wanted to break
perspective. So people can see,

978
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:44,190
even in the 19, late 1980s, you
had people saying, Hey, there's

979
01:06:44,190 --> 01:06:48,570
this divide is going on? And
it's, you're saying it's very

980
01:06:48,570 --> 01:06:51,690
problematic for the black
community? Yeah,

981
01:06:51,690 --> 01:06:52,770
what are you doing?

982
01:06:53,219 --> 01:06:56,999
And we might want to start
looking at both sides, which is

983
01:06:56,999 --> 01:07:00,149
okay, you can say black men
leave their kids and they're

984
01:07:00,149 --> 01:07:02,009
drunks and they're drug addicts
is

985
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:06,570
a generalization, white men, you
know, get drunk and beat their

986
01:07:06,570 --> 01:07:09,420
wives and beat their children. I
mean, that's also a

987
01:07:09,420 --> 01:07:10,440
generalization.

988
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:17,010
This is true, but it's okay to
say that every the whole world

989
01:07:17,010 --> 01:07:19,020
could say that about black men.
They don't take care of the

990
01:07:19,020 --> 01:07:24,510
kids. I mean, it's like it's,
it's a it's expected. If you

991
01:07:24,510 --> 01:07:27,690
tell in a, if you tell somebody
you gotta dance, like, Oh,

992
01:07:27,690 --> 01:07:30,660
really? Like, okay, hold on,

993
01:07:30,660 --> 01:07:35,520
hold on. So that's, that's with
black Americans. That's the

994
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,350
word. That's the general
thinking. Is that what you're

995
01:07:37,350 --> 01:07:41,070
telling me? Or you said the
whole world is everybody.

996
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:46,140
Yes, the whole world is
everybody. Because that's the

997
01:07:46,140 --> 01:07:52,320
narrative. That's all you see.
Maury has made a mint off of the

998
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:56,280
paternity test game show. Let's
be honest here. Yeah.

999
01:07:56,280 --> 01:08:03,870
Okay. No, you. Absolutely. That
that was probably the Maury

1000
01:08:03,870 --> 01:08:09,600
Povich show, in particular,
probably set black America back

1001
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:14,460
by 20 years, just by that
constant or let's not put it

1002
01:08:14,460 --> 01:08:18,000
back, but held it at a
standstill in the 90s with that

1003
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:22,740
bullcrap, mind you. Holy crap
that was entertaining to watch.

1004
01:08:23,010 --> 01:08:26,940
But you're right. It was pretty
much all black women doing it?

1005
01:08:26,940 --> 01:08:32,550
Yeah. Your Damn man. Ricki Lake.
Yeah, another another final

1006
01:08:33,450 --> 01:08:36,690
season. Sorry, man. You know, he
won't do anything. So.

1007
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:41,220
Oh, well, it was. It was it was
the paternity test, in

1008
01:08:41,220 --> 01:08:45,450
particular that wow. Yeah,
you're right. And that just that

1009
01:08:45,450 --> 01:08:49,170
just exacerbated it? Oh, wow.
never even thought about steel

1010
01:08:49,170 --> 01:08:53,370
goes on and still go. I tell
people this all the time. About

1011
01:08:53,580 --> 01:08:57,360
and this is another great
function of the show. If I'm a

1012
01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:01,290
white person, and I only watch
broadcast television only

1013
01:09:01,290 --> 01:09:05,670
broadcasts I don't buy cable.
This is where I get local news.

1014
01:09:05,670 --> 01:09:12,150
Black people do something bad.
Then you go to your daytime

1015
01:09:12,150 --> 01:09:19,560
television, Jerry Maury. Steve
what it will go Jerry Springer.

1016
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:22,290
You know, black people don't
take you black men don't take

1017
01:09:22,290 --> 01:09:25,830
care of the kids, black men. You
know, these images I'm showing

1018
01:09:25,860 --> 01:09:31,710
all day. And then local New come
on again. Right. Local news goes

1019
01:09:31,710 --> 01:09:35,970
off. I might get a family feud
with Steve Harvey how he's

1020
01:09:35,970 --> 01:09:41,400
wanting to get black guys. And
then law Law Order. Black man

1021
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:44,370
killed somebody. Sounds like

1022
01:09:44,370 --> 01:09:48,510
a Dave jam packed full of fine
entertainment mo

1023
01:09:49,770 --> 01:09:52,530
it's very it's very
entertaining, but it's also

1024
01:09:52,530 --> 01:09:56,010
saturating your mental and if
you don't have interactions with

1025
01:09:56,730 --> 01:10:01,260
real black people, that's the
mentality that You have so much

1026
01:10:01,260 --> 01:10:06,900
so that even black people start
to believe this. It's like, Oh,

1027
01:10:06,900 --> 01:10:09,660
yes. And then it becomes common
like you asked before about

1028
01:10:09,660 --> 01:10:14,700
television where these thought
processes come from it enters

1029
01:10:14,700 --> 01:10:18,690
through the television. We we've
heard that on the previous shows

1030
01:10:18,690 --> 01:10:21,480
about no man house, what they
say the kids locked into

1031
01:10:21,480 --> 01:10:24,480
projects, their only window out
was what the television right?

1032
01:10:25,380 --> 01:10:30,300
Well, I find I am so fortunate
that I was able to find one of

1033
01:10:30,300 --> 01:10:34,830
the few black men who was a
stable family and is married and

1034
01:10:34,830 --> 01:10:39,960
has a mom and a dad and a job a
job. I don't you may be dealing

1035
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:43,020
drugs, but I'm not sure I think
you have a real job as I'm

1036
01:10:43,020 --> 01:10:44,880
searching to take care of my
kids.

1037
01:10:44,940 --> 01:10:45,630
Oh, no.

1038
01:10:45,660 --> 01:10:47,070
Just keeps on going.

1039
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:51,330
How How was it possible? I don't
know. Have

1040
01:10:51,330 --> 01:10:54,570
you done the 23andme this? I
should have this kid to yours. I

1041
01:10:54,570 --> 01:10:55,260
just want to check.

1042
01:10:55,860 --> 01:10:57,840
right or am I'm sure I'm black.

1043
01:10:58,980 --> 01:11:01,620
Well, we had that question the
other day. That was my case.

1044
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:06,270
That was fantastic. On Twitter.
We had seemed me it was just

1045
01:11:06,270 --> 01:11:09,690
trolling kind of but the guys
like I liked the show, but I'm

1046
01:11:09,690 --> 01:11:12,360
not so sure most black and I
don't want to have two white

1047
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:19,380
guys talking about black issues.
And most like Okay, right. But

1048
01:11:19,380 --> 01:11:22,050
then the guy fine. He then he
posted a video of himself he

1049
01:11:22,050 --> 01:11:29,250
just adorable. I get I get you.
But did you ask yourself? Was

1050
01:11:29,250 --> 01:11:31,110
that a picture? I don't I've
never seen you. Is that a

1051
01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:31,860
picture of you?

1052
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:35,550
That you posted? No,

1053
01:11:35,610 --> 01:11:40,290
that's what I thought Moza
handsome guys had not. I can't.

1054
01:11:40,650 --> 01:11:41,790
It's not possible with

1055
01:11:41,790 --> 01:11:47,010
that. Oh, and it's not that I'm
hiding. It's just that one. I

1056
01:11:47,010 --> 01:11:49,200
don't even take selfies. I think
that's the most vague.

1057
01:11:49,260 --> 01:11:52,500
You don't you don't have to
qualify yourself to anybody. No,

1058
01:11:52,500 --> 01:11:53,220
no, no, no.

1059
01:11:53,430 --> 01:11:56,580
That's the other thing. I mean,
the more you double down on it,

1060
01:11:56,580 --> 01:12:00,120
the more bullheaded like that,
so it ain't gonna work.

1061
01:12:00,210 --> 01:12:03,960
But, but to cue we say hello, we
know you're listening. We know

1062
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:04,470
you're here.

1063
01:12:05,010 --> 01:12:09,600
Yes, we know you're here. Thank
you for joining us. So but

1064
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:13,230
here's the problem. Go back to
the Geraldo clip. What the lady

1065
01:12:13,230 --> 01:12:15,750
say I'll see him on the train
the young black man's head

1066
01:12:15,780 --> 01:12:20,880
buried in his book. Well, Miss
jars, i Lee has had a

1067
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:25,440
reemergence on social media
being YouTube, oh, black men,

1068
01:12:25,860 --> 01:12:29,010
black men are going through that
same cycle again. It's like

1069
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:34,530
what's going on? This is new,
the old is new again. Yeah. And

1070
01:12:34,530 --> 01:12:38,040
she's getting speaking
engagements and propagating her

1071
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:42,510
message. But let's get back to
exactly what their message is.

1072
01:12:42,510 --> 01:12:43,260
And clip two,

1073
01:12:43,770 --> 01:12:47,130
in saying all of this and as
calling yourself a champion and

1074
01:12:47,250 --> 01:12:51,240
having if I may say the courage
to write this book, and standby,

1075
01:12:51,270 --> 01:12:54,630
you've caused a stir this book
is very controversial. What are

1076
01:12:54,630 --> 01:12:56,250
you hearing from public
reaction? Well,

1077
01:12:56,249 --> 01:12:59,039
I don't think that it's an issue
among black women about whether

1078
01:12:59,039 --> 01:13:02,459
or not the book is true or not
the issues that I was not

1079
01:13:02,459 --> 01:13:06,389
supposed to tell. These are
inside secrets and things that

1080
01:13:06,389 --> 01:13:09,839
we have never let our men know
about. And many times we what is

1081
01:13:09,839 --> 01:13:14,159
that? We say? He can't handle
me? Well, many times he can

1082
01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:16,319
handle us because he doesn't
know what it is he's trying to

1083
01:13:16,319 --> 01:13:19,649
handle. He doesn't understand
what motivates us. We have

1084
01:13:19,649 --> 01:13:23,699
become very adept, many of us as
being able to do something right

1085
01:13:23,699 --> 01:13:25,919
in front of his eyes and then
convince him that that's not

1086
01:13:25,919 --> 01:13:29,039
what he really saw at all. And
that it didn't happen. That

1087
01:13:29,039 --> 01:13:30,899
we've been kind of confused.
Excuse

1088
01:13:30,900 --> 01:13:35,910
me. Wow. What is that called?
There's a term for it.

1089
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:39,300
I call it psychological abuse.

1090
01:13:39,810 --> 01:13:48,180
Now, it's a it's a specific term
used by MK Ultra. No, I'm gonna

1091
01:13:48,180 --> 01:13:51,390
give it to you yet, please. And
you may want to listen to it

1092
01:13:51,390 --> 01:13:54,600
again. Maybe 30 It lasts 30
seconds in the clip. Okay,

1093
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:55,380
gaslighting.

1094
01:13:56,100 --> 01:13:58,320
Oh, yeah, I've never used that
term. Yes, of course. That's

1095
01:13:58,770 --> 01:13:59,490
exactly the

1096
01:13:59,490 --> 01:14:03,240
technical, the technical term,
not not the way people use it

1097
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:07,560
now. But the technical term of
gaslighting is what she

1098
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:08,070
explained

1099
01:14:08,100 --> 01:14:10,380
is exactly what you said. Yeah.
Well, let me just in the last,

1100
01:14:10,620 --> 01:14:12,420
let's it's worth listening to
us. 30 said,

1101
01:14:13,770 --> 01:14:17,340
he can't handle me. Well, many
times he can't handle us because

1102
01:14:17,340 --> 01:14:20,040
he doesn't know what it is he's
trying to handle. He doesn't

1103
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:23,340
understand what motivates us. We
have become very adept, many of

1104
01:14:23,340 --> 01:14:27,210
us as being able to do something
right in front of his eyes and

1105
01:14:27,210 --> 01:14:30,000
then convince him that that's
not what he really saw. And that

1106
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,360
it didn't happen. We've been
kind of confused. Excuse

1107
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:39,480
me. Wow. was famous for that
tactic.

1108
01:14:40,890 --> 01:14:44,940
Well, it was It wasn't supposed
to be Donald Trump. No, yes.

1109
01:14:44,940 --> 01:14:51,480
He's intelligence agencies.
That's what they do.

1110
01:14:54,000 --> 01:15:01,440
Oops. Yeah. That I'm also seeing
You're right, she is having a

1111
01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:05,400
resurgence. She's back
everywhere. She's only she's

1112
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:09,000
only 65. So she's got a lot of
spunk left to enter.

1113
01:15:10,530 --> 01:15:11,970
This year she does this

1114
01:15:12,420 --> 01:15:15,300
herb clip, this will be an
important clip that the gospel

1115
01:15:15,300 --> 01:15:17,310
will just call it the
gaslighting clip. That'll be an

1116
01:15:17,310 --> 01:15:18,000
important one.

1117
01:15:19,529 --> 01:15:23,939
So when somebody tell you, yeah,
you did someone saying I didn't

1118
01:15:23,939 --> 01:15:29,609
do that. But what I just saw you
just give for people that don't

1119
01:15:29,609 --> 01:15:32,309
know what gaslighting is, when
you do something, then you act

1120
01:15:32,309 --> 01:15:35,639
like you didn't do it. And it
confuses the person, their

1121
01:15:35,639 --> 01:15:39,239
senses. And it's like, where did
it where was that behavior learn

1122
01:15:39,239 --> 01:15:42,839
from? Was that attack that
passed down? Who knows, but it's

1123
01:15:42,839 --> 01:15:46,919
just she said it. I didn't say
it. She said I just pointed it

1124
01:15:46,919 --> 01:15:47,249
out

1125
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:52,860
the term just because it's nice
to know. The term gaslighting

1126
01:15:53,190 --> 01:16:00,420
originated from a play in 1938
called gaslight in which a

1127
01:16:00,420 --> 01:16:03,690
character tries to make his wife
believe. And this is

1128
01:16:03,690 --> 01:16:06,540
interesting, because that's why
I probably wouldn't have come up

1129
01:16:06,540 --> 01:16:08,610
with gaslighting because
traditionally, it's seen as

1130
01:16:08,610 --> 01:16:12,690
something men do to women. The
character tries to make his wife

1131
01:16:12,690 --> 01:16:16,050
believe she's gone insane to
cover his own criminal activity.

1132
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:19,980
When he turns up the gas fueled
lights in the upstairs apartment

1133
01:16:20,010 --> 01:16:23,550
in order to search for a
murdered woman's jewels, the gas

1134
01:16:23,550 --> 01:16:26,400
lights in his own apartment grow
dimmer, but he convinces his

1135
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:31,260
wife, she's just imagining the
change. That's where the term

1136
01:16:31,260 --> 01:16:32,370
gaslighting comes from.

1137
01:16:34,440 --> 01:16:36,720
Thank you for that little tip,
because I didn't know where the

1138
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:40,200
source of it came from. I just
know it was a popular tactic. It

1139
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:40,560
helps to

1140
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,110
remember when you read these
things I find once you've read

1141
01:16:43,140 --> 01:16:45,420
the etymology, then it helps.

1142
01:16:45,660 --> 01:16:48,450
Yeah, I won't forget that. I
mean, it'll stick with me, but

1143
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:51,630
that's what she just described.
And now you have a man that's

1144
01:16:51,630 --> 01:16:58,380
confused. And you say Das. Let's
not use the word. Man. What a

1145
01:16:58,380 --> 01:17:02,550
man typically do is does to a
woman, let's say the dominant

1146
01:17:02,550 --> 01:17:08,190
party does to the subservient
party. Yeah. Yeah, they flipped

1147
01:17:08,190 --> 01:17:11,070
the genders in our in our in our
race, hello.

1148
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:20,760
Spin, spin and yeah. Clip three.

1149
01:17:21,780 --> 01:17:25,680
In your book, you say that we
are not bringing up our

1150
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:28,980
daughters and our sons in a
correct manner to respect their

1151
01:17:28,980 --> 01:17:29,550
father. No,

1152
01:17:29,580 --> 01:17:33,300
we're not. Unfortunately, as I
say, since money has been used

1153
01:17:33,300 --> 01:17:36,810
as the measure. Many times if a
black man does not have money to

1154
01:17:36,810 --> 01:17:39,600
give us, we won't even let him
see his children. We won't let

1155
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:41,790
him spend any time with it
because he does not give us

1156
01:17:42,060 --> 01:17:44,160
whatever the child support is.
And I'm not saying that we don't

1157
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:47,400
need money to raise a child. But
I tried to explain to black

1158
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:50,790
women that raising a child
consists of much more than

1159
01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:53,940
feeding clothing and sheltering
it that's maintaining one to

1160
01:17:53,940 --> 01:17:56,940
raise one you need to return to
the parental coalition of the

1161
01:17:56,940 --> 01:18:00,330
father and the mother to put the
proper vase into the child. Many

1162
01:18:00,330 --> 01:18:03,780
of our boys, when we raise them
alone, they grow up with the

1163
01:18:03,780 --> 01:18:07,770
female emotional mechanism. They
are are suspicious, they are

1164
01:18:07,770 --> 01:18:10,440
doubtful. They're disrespectful
of womanhood, they're bitchy,

1165
01:18:10,440 --> 01:18:13,920
they can't make a decision. In
many of our girls who grew up in

1166
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:16,170
a home where there is no man
present, they go out into the

1167
01:18:16,170 --> 01:18:18,390
world and try to meet, they
don't have any idea how to live

1168
01:18:18,390 --> 01:18:21,510
with a man day to day how to
prepare a proper meal, how to be

1169
01:18:21,510 --> 01:18:24,780
a mother how to just be in love
in the home, most of what our

1170
01:18:24,780 --> 01:18:27,150
people and our children
especially have learned about

1171
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:30,690
how you have a relationship,
they learned off television, and

1172
01:18:30,690 --> 01:18:33,690
television doesn't represent our
needs. And so a lot of the

1173
01:18:33,690 --> 01:18:36,930
confusion has come, you know,
from outside agencies that we

1174
01:18:36,930 --> 01:18:40,260
have not recognized how
detrimental it has been to us as

1175
01:18:40,260 --> 01:18:40,830
a people.

1176
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:46,350
Yeah, TV is screwed everybody
over but this is in this this

1177
01:18:46,350 --> 01:18:50,670
topic in particular. And then I
and I, we're not done yet. But

1178
01:18:50,670 --> 01:18:54,180
for me, the takeaway is really
going to be the DNA tests on the

1179
01:18:54,180 --> 01:18:58,800
Jerry Springer show and Maury
Povich that it how destructive

1180
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:02,970
that was. And all we did is sat
there and laughed our asses off.

1181
01:19:04,890 --> 01:19:08,760
And there's two things that
happened in the 19. I want to

1182
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:15,960
say 90s That really changed.
Paternity. And, and the jaw,

1183
01:19:15,990 --> 01:19:20,880
drug culture. One. And these
were these were they were these

1184
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:25,260
are seismic events. One you just
mentioned the DNA test, because

1185
01:19:25,260 --> 01:19:28,680
before a father could just get
up. I'm going to get a pack of

1186
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:32,880
cigarettes. You never see him
again. Right? Right. He didn't

1187
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:35,010
have to take care of his kids
that would that was like the

1188
01:19:35,010 --> 01:19:39,270
running. Black comedian joke.
I'm a dad wouldn't you're sick

1189
01:19:39,270 --> 01:19:41,070
of cigarettes. I ain't seen him
since and you know, that was the

1190
01:19:41,070 --> 01:19:46,470
thing. Right? But when DNA came
about, now you which I think is

1191
01:19:46,470 --> 01:19:50,100
a great thing I have. I have
three daughters. If anybody was

1192
01:19:50,100 --> 01:19:53,130
the father of children by one of
them, I would want them to be

1193
01:19:53,130 --> 01:19:57,090
held responsible to take care of
their their responsibilities.

1194
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:05,100
But what it did was now Oh, as
leverage is leveraged, it's

1195
01:20:05,100 --> 01:20:09,990
like, okay, I can prove you're
the father. I go to court. We

1196
01:20:10,050 --> 01:20:13,980
spoke about this on other show.
And then it made family court a

1197
01:20:13,980 --> 01:20:14,610
two.

1198
01:20:15,750 --> 01:20:20,280
Oh, no, I never watched that.
But there's another one another,

1199
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:24,660
the next piece of the puzzle,
Family Court,

1200
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:27,600
brother family court is now
referred to as a collection

1201
01:20:27,630 --> 01:20:31,230
agency. And it's like, if you
don't have my money, you won't

1202
01:20:31,230 --> 01:20:35,310
see the kids. And most of the
time is not based off the kids

1203
01:20:35,460 --> 01:20:39,300
is based off of one party still
wants to be with the other

1204
01:20:39,300 --> 01:20:43,260
party. And that party doesn't
want to be with them. So I'm

1205
01:20:43,260 --> 01:20:45,960
gonna make your life hard. Yeah.
As we heard, he's calling me

1206
01:20:46,290 --> 01:20:49,080
what's called weaponizing. The
children right.

1207
01:20:49,650 --> 01:20:53,250
Now just met, can I go off on a
tangent, little 32nd tangent

1208
01:20:53,250 --> 01:21:00,000
here? Oh, the drug culture. The
drug culture used to date and be

1209
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:06,450
violent. It was, okay. If I get
caught with whatever drug XYZ,

1210
01:21:06,450 --> 01:21:09,960
whatever it is. I'll go do my
two, three years and not come

1211
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:13,380
home. Right. So when they
started giving mandatory

1212
01:21:13,380 --> 01:21:22,650
minimums, 20 years, that's when
it became violent. Yes, the time

1213
01:21:22,650 --> 01:21:27,240
is now the die. Yeah, you have
to die because you can cause me

1214
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:30,000
20 years in the federal
penitentiary. I'm just going to

1215
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:38,310
show you how these small changes
in legal well as this is it had

1216
01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:39,270
ripple effects.

1217
01:21:39,480 --> 01:21:44,160
Yeah, well, and in general,
these types of policies

1218
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:47,940
decisions, like we've talked
before, with, with busing to

1219
01:21:47,940 --> 01:21:51,810
schools, but the same could be
said for the Federal Reserve and

1220
01:21:51,810 --> 01:21:55,440
their monetary policy. Guess
what, these fuckers have no

1221
01:21:55,440 --> 01:21:58,410
clue. No one knows. We don't
know what the unintended

1222
01:21:58,410 --> 01:22:02,400
consequences are. You just don't
know. You can only learn from

1223
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:06,870
the mistake. And I think, as
we're learning here, a lot has

1224
01:22:06,870 --> 01:22:11,730
been learned from from these
mistakes. Sadly, it seems like

1225
01:22:11,730 --> 01:22:15,150
they're going to be
reimplemented for the same

1226
01:22:15,630 --> 01:22:21,930
political power games and gain
and maybe even modernized to a

1227
01:22:21,930 --> 01:22:22,410
degree.

1228
01:22:23,460 --> 01:22:29,190
Well, luckily, Family Court hats
change significantly. Because as

1229
01:22:29,220 --> 01:22:33,690
we as I said before, when we get
when, when you get a call, we

1230
01:22:33,690 --> 01:22:38,340
get the flu. So now we've seen
other races of men get drugged

1231
01:22:38,340 --> 01:22:39,930
through family court. It's like,
oh, now we need to make a

1232
01:22:39,930 --> 01:22:43,650
change. Well, we've been dealing
with this for I mean, and mostly

1233
01:22:43,650 --> 01:22:47,700
it's poor men. Because I mean,
I'll say this last thing and

1234
01:22:47,700 --> 01:22:51,150
we'll go to the next clip.
Donald Trump has worked five

1235
01:22:51,150 --> 01:22:55,890
baby mamas. Yeah, for baby
mamas, yes. Something like that.

1236
01:22:56,400 --> 01:23:01,590
None of them have said anything
bad about him. Because he can

1237
01:23:01,620 --> 01:23:06,120
provide. Yeah. So that goes to
show you when you have the money

1238
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:10,560
in the means you can't weaponize
paternity against the man. Just

1239
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:14,730
this just to point that out. But
um, just get back on the TV show

1240
01:23:14,730 --> 01:23:22,050
daytime TV show. Wave. There's
one guy that I love. And his

1241
01:23:22,050 --> 01:23:27,390
name is Mr. Judge Joe Brown. And
he did an episode on unscripted,

1242
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:32,550
scone TV unscripted. That
podcast that I would just love

1243
01:23:32,550 --> 01:23:33,420
to share with you guys.

1244
01:23:33,749 --> 01:23:37,499
So let's talk about
emasculation. Yeah, who is

1245
01:23:37,499 --> 01:23:38,159
behind it?

1246
01:23:40,020 --> 01:23:44,160
Right now, I would say that two
people have been propagandized

1247
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:48,570
for 50 year period. And a lot of
people who don't even realize it

1248
01:23:48,570 --> 01:23:55,440
are behind it. The Nazis studied
American movies in the American

1249
01:23:55,440 --> 01:23:58,230
movie industry, and they said
they've got it going on with

1250
01:23:58,230 --> 01:24:02,820
propaganda. That propaganda used
to be about doing the right

1251
01:24:02,820 --> 01:24:07,440
thing for the right reasons.
What happened if you didn't

1252
01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:11,820
sometimes when you did the right
thing, the nobility of suffering

1253
01:24:11,820 --> 01:24:15,870
the consequences for doing the
right thing or the economy of

1254
01:24:15,870 --> 01:24:19,020
suffering the consequences for
doing the wrong thing they were

1255
01:24:19,020 --> 01:24:24,000
laid out. So they took the
American propaganda engine and

1256
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:29,190
they refined it and they
developed a precept that is very

1257
01:24:29,220 --> 01:24:33,240
evident today. Tell a lie long
enough loud enough and you can

1258
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:34,650
get anyone to believe it.

1259
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:44,100
That's the whole self Global's
propaganda that's not how you

1260
01:24:44,100 --> 01:24:50,280
pronounce the name. We all know
Hold on a second. Let me go to

1261
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:54,060
the Reverend owl for the Connect
correct pronunciation of what I

1262
01:24:54,060 --> 01:24:58,380
would say is Goebbels. But
here's Al Sharpton. Gurgel and

1263
01:24:58,530 --> 01:25:08,190
the third, right Yes. Gurgel
very interesting that I don't

1264
01:25:08,190 --> 01:25:12,960
know if that's necessarily true
that Google saw the the US

1265
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:15,930
Hollywood machine and said
that's, that's what we're going

1266
01:25:15,930 --> 01:25:20,130
to do that you guys got to go on
on. I don't know. Personally, I

1267
01:25:20,130 --> 01:25:23,010
always thought it was the other
way around. With Operation

1268
01:25:23,010 --> 01:25:26,370
Paperclip. We brought a bunch of
those guys over including Verner

1269
01:25:26,370 --> 01:25:31,980
von Brown, and he went on to to
create the space program. And I

1270
01:25:31,980 --> 01:25:39,780
think from there we got who was
blanking now of Freud's.

1271
01:25:43,410 --> 01:25:46,020
If you want to sense that we
covered him in the last show. I

1272
01:25:46,020 --> 01:25:47,730
mean, a previous show.

1273
01:25:49,470 --> 01:25:51,720
It'll come to air Bernays Edward
Bernays.

1274
01:25:51,780 --> 01:25:54,660
Edward Bernays. Yes. Edward
Bernays, you know, asked you

1275
01:25:54,660 --> 01:26:00,210
this question. Maybe we didn't
have the payload. But we had the

1276
01:26:00,210 --> 01:26:01,080
delivery system,

1277
01:26:01,230 --> 01:26:05,250
for sure. Yes, you're right.
Very good point.

1278
01:26:05,250 --> 01:26:09,510
And yeah. So they were like,
wow, like, we could just put our

1279
01:26:09,630 --> 01:26:10,230
warhead

1280
01:26:10,410 --> 01:26:13,530
on. That delivery system was
going to be

1281
01:26:13,530 --> 01:26:19,470
gangbusters. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So.
Ah, yeah. So JoJo Brown. He's

1282
01:26:19,470 --> 01:26:24,750
very, very nice, um, has great
insight. And he's another one.

1283
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:29,490
What we're seeing here, Jason
Whitlock. Judge Joe Brown.

1284
01:26:30,270 --> 01:26:37,320
Sheriff, Sheriff. Lee, these pro
patriarch talking heads. I hate

1285
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:39,150
to use that word, but I can't
think of a better one.

1286
01:26:40,980 --> 01:26:44,820
resurfacing? Yeah, nobody's
heard from Judge Joe Brown. I

1287
01:26:44,820 --> 01:26:48,540
mean, the years he was on
daytime television, and, and and

1288
01:26:48,810 --> 01:26:51,840
very competitive. Does that give
you perspective of how

1289
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:56,190
successful he was? He was
competitive with Judge Judy. And

1290
01:26:56,190 --> 01:27:01,440
writings. Yeah. So I mean, he
was a very powerful voice. I

1291
01:27:01,440 --> 01:27:05,850
think that's why he was ran off
TV. Because he had a very

1292
01:27:08,250 --> 01:27:13,110
patriarchy patriarchal centered
viewpoint on things. Yeah, this

1293
01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:16,380
was not stand. That's that's not
how Knox No, we can't gotta get

1294
01:27:16,380 --> 01:27:19,380
you all daytime television. You
know, you're you're ruining the

1295
01:27:19,380 --> 01:27:23,340
message. And speaking on the
message, let's get into clip

1296
01:27:23,340 --> 01:27:24,690
three. What happened to

1297
01:27:24,690 --> 01:27:26,880
the institution of marriage?
That's

1298
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:31,470
one of the problems back in the
60s we had women talking about

1299
01:27:31,470 --> 01:27:36,540
marriage was a form of slavery.
So we had some like Nikki

1300
01:27:36,540 --> 01:27:40,140
Giovanni, the poet came to UCLA
on at least two or three

1301
01:27:40,140 --> 01:27:41,250
occasions, and Jean

1302
01:27:41,250 --> 01:27:44,910
Nikki G. Nikki Giovanni, wonder
young girl, black woman look up.

1303
01:27:44,910 --> 01:27:45,390
Yeah.

1304
01:27:45,390 --> 01:27:49,500
And she was expounding the idea
that marriage was slavery. So if

1305
01:27:49,500 --> 01:27:53,640
you wanted to have children, get
knocked up by somebody who was

1306
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:59,070
smart and physically set out and
don't even tell the sob he was

1307
01:27:59,070 --> 01:28:04,410
the daddy. Because the worst
thing you could do would be to

1308
01:28:04,410 --> 01:28:08,160
involve a man in the role of a
Father that would just mess

1309
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:13,020
children up. So women hate men.
They don't like the fact that

1310
01:28:13,020 --> 01:28:17,130
they've got X X chromosomes
instead of x, y, and they feel

1311
01:28:17,130 --> 01:28:21,360
they're deprived Bay as best I
can tell off of what I saw 50

1312
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:23,130
years ago when it was developed.
But

1313
01:28:23,130 --> 01:28:27,390
let me ask you this If men were
so good to women, what caused

1314
01:28:27,390 --> 01:28:30,090
them to change and turn on men
in that manner?

1315
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:31,680
They had a bubble of safety.

1316
01:28:32,850 --> 01:28:37,980
Ooh, I was gonna say that's a
great question. boggler Thanks,

1317
01:28:37,980 --> 01:28:41,070
safety bubble of safety. Yeah,
another name. I have never heard

1318
01:28:41,070 --> 01:28:42,660
of Nikki Giovanni.

1319
01:28:43,740 --> 01:28:48,060
She she was in a class with the
other women we we mentioned as

1320
01:28:48,060 --> 01:28:51,840
great writers, right. And when I
say things about people, I don't

1321
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:59,760
never want to tear down their
skill. Very skilled writer. But

1322
01:28:59,970 --> 01:29:06,780
it's what your how your
weaponizing are being used. And

1323
01:29:06,780 --> 01:29:12,300
I'm gonna use this term, and
it's most academic way. useful

1324
01:29:12,330 --> 01:29:18,270
idiots. Right? Not you think
you're doing the right thing

1325
01:29:18,270 --> 01:29:24,690
you're thinking you know? You
think you're making changes or

1326
01:29:24,690 --> 01:29:27,990
decisions for the greater good,
but then you end up duped later

1327
01:29:27,990 --> 01:29:28,920
on down the line.

1328
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:35,220
She's also one of Oprah Winfrey
is 25 Living Legends.

1329
01:29:37,050 --> 01:29:42,300
They equip school and even said
the new young women look at me

1330
01:29:42,300 --> 01:29:48,360
you say Nikki Giovanni. That
name holds weight. Kind of like

1331
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:55,560
with Maya Angelou. Or, you know,
will you say these names. I

1332
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:59,490
mean, it's kind of like a rites
of passage to read these books.

1333
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:01,260
By certain demographics.

1334
01:30:01,590 --> 01:30:07,830
And by the way, Nikki Giovanni
is a great DJ named Giovanni

1335
01:30:07,830 --> 01:30:08,490
with everybody.

1336
01:30:11,130 --> 01:30:16,200
Oh, so judge made a mission of
women not needing men and I just

1337
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:21,840
want to bring up this point. And
then 1993 There was a movie came

1338
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:27,000
out with Will Smith, Ted Danson
and Whoopi Goldberg net called

1339
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:31,590
Made in America. And it was
about a black woman. She had

1340
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:38,250
artificial insemination. And her
daughter set out to find who her

1341
01:30:38,250 --> 01:30:41,310
father was who ended up being
spoiler alert. Ted Danson, if

1342
01:30:41,310 --> 01:30:45,120
you have seen the movie in 30
years, I'm sorry to ruin it for

1343
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:48,690
you. But, um, but also that just
goes to show you that it was

1344
01:30:48,690 --> 01:30:55,260
prevalent in me going out and
getting sent out only to Father,

1345
01:30:55,890 --> 01:30:59,610
right. And instead, and we'll be
actually we're together in real

1346
01:30:59,610 --> 01:31:01,230
life, right? Yes.

1347
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:07,320
And just to say one last thing
on this topic. That is a insult

1348
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:13,440
this lobbed at men of being a
sperm donor. Right? Nothing.

1349
01:31:13,470 --> 01:31:16,350
You're only good for that? Yes.

1350
01:31:16,950 --> 01:31:18,030
Go to your cup.

1351
01:31:19,050 --> 01:31:22,530
Yep, that's Are you Are you not
a father? Yes, you're out.

1352
01:31:22,530 --> 01:31:26,970
You're a sperm donor. So yeah,
so it's kind of sad. But

1353
01:31:26,999 --> 01:31:34,349
by the way, when someone calls
you baby daddy. To me, I don't

1354
01:31:34,349 --> 01:31:38,789
like these terms. I like baby
mama, baby, baby. When you say

1355
01:31:38,789 --> 01:31:41,729
that, it's like baby daddy. So
literally, like you're a sperm

1356
01:31:41,729 --> 01:31:44,159
donor. And you send a quid?

1357
01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:49,560
That's the equivalent
equivalent. And what that cut,

1358
01:31:49,830 --> 01:31:53,160
that knife cuts both ways.
Because when you say baby mama,

1359
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:56,640
yeah, yeah, that's me. You're
not good enough to be wife

1360
01:31:56,640 --> 01:32:00,960
material. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Totally. Sounds like so. So when

1361
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:03,060
people use these terms, oh, irks
me?

1362
01:32:03,390 --> 01:32:06,900
Yeah. I've never liked And now
and now it's popular culture.

1363
01:32:06,900 --> 01:32:09,120
And it's kind of cool to say it
and I don't like it.

1364
01:32:10,290 --> 01:32:13,890
Yeah, but it's not a good thing
disrespectful.

1365
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:16,440
No matter which way you say it.
To me. It's disrespectful.

1366
01:32:16,770 --> 01:32:21,780
I totally I totally agree with
you on that one. But let's

1367
01:32:21,780 --> 01:32:24,780
continue on with Judge Joe Brown
for

1368
01:32:25,230 --> 01:32:29,220
have women shifted from relying
on the man for their protection

1369
01:32:29,250 --> 01:32:33,660
to the state to the police. And
to the state. The state with the

1370
01:32:33,660 --> 01:32:38,010
police is representative of the
state solely so the women now

1371
01:32:38,010 --> 01:32:41,370
have displaced the man's
traditional role with the

1372
01:32:41,370 --> 01:32:42,060
government.

1373
01:32:42,180 --> 01:32:46,860
Yes, what happens is the inner
city is becoming has become a

1374
01:32:46,860 --> 01:32:51,000
matriarchy. And that's one of
the problems we have in terms of

1375
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:57,300
community police relations is
the order primary order in any

1376
01:32:57,300 --> 01:33:01,140
healthy community, typically
throughout history came from the

1377
01:33:01,140 --> 01:33:05,730
masculine component. Now the
masculine component has not been

1378
01:33:05,730 --> 01:33:09,210
trained in masculinity, so they
don't keep public piece dignity

1379
01:33:09,210 --> 01:33:14,760
in order. And you have the
police come in. Yeah, this is a

1380
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:18,930
lesson. Go ahead. And let's not
forget, this is not just Boomer

1381
01:33:18,930 --> 01:33:23,760
talk, for the judge, because Jay
Z made a similar statement,

1382
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:26,490
which we covered on a previous
show as well, about the

1383
01:33:26,490 --> 01:33:32,160
interaction between children
that were weren't raised with

1384
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:34,440
authority figure in the
household and their interactions

1385
01:33:34,440 --> 01:33:35,220
with police.

1386
01:33:37,170 --> 01:33:42,960
There is overall a western
culture thing i i noticed that a

1387
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:46,380
lot in America and I've lived in
a couple different countries, is

1388
01:33:46,380 --> 01:33:49,410
this intermediary, we have a we
have an intermediary for

1389
01:33:49,410 --> 01:33:54,990
everything. It's like you got a
problem, like, you know, problem

1390
01:33:54,990 --> 01:33:57,750
with your neighbor. If you don't
go over and say, Hey, neighbor,

1391
01:33:57,780 --> 01:34:01,380
let's talk about this now.
polies right away, it's all we

1392
01:34:01,380 --> 01:34:05,160
all want have someone else who
we pay for with our taxes come

1393
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:08,460
in and fix the problem. Like
it's like the homeless is same

1394
01:34:08,460 --> 01:34:11,820
thing. Well, that should just be
fixed by the you know, what,

1395
01:34:11,850 --> 01:34:16,140
come on, I pay for this fix it.
Where's my intermediary to go

1396
01:34:16,140 --> 01:34:19,890
and fix it must be some, you
know, some kind of nonprofit or

1397
01:34:19,890 --> 01:34:23,940
someone does something around
here. That's an overall problem.

1398
01:34:23,970 --> 01:34:27,750
But I like totally see what what
the judge was getting at here in

1399
01:34:27,750 --> 01:34:28,980
this specific example.

1400
01:34:30,270 --> 01:34:36,090
And one thing that's lost or
either ignored purposely is

1401
01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:41,580
okay, so you have two parents of
a child, and that Father, for

1402
01:34:41,580 --> 01:34:45,780
whatever reason has fallen
behind on his child support

1403
01:34:45,780 --> 01:34:46,620
payments, correct,

1404
01:34:46,650 --> 01:34:47,460
deadbeat.

1405
01:34:48,780 --> 01:34:51,540
But how does how does the mother
collect

1406
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:54,120
through the court system and the
the police?

1407
01:34:55,260 --> 01:34:58,920
Correct, but at the very exact
same time they're saying the

1408
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:03,750
police is shooting out Black man
dead in the streets here. But

1409
01:35:03,750 --> 01:35:08,490
when it's time to get collect
your money,

1410
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:13,260
let's save those racist cops
over there. Yes, yeah.

1411
01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:17,280
And mass incarceration the same
thing because if you can't pay

1412
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:21,420
and visually can't pay off for
whatever reason you hit me all

1413
01:35:21,420 --> 01:35:25,380
man hit hard times, for once or
twice in life. I mean, it's just

1414
01:35:25,380 --> 01:35:30,420
a fact of life. If that happens
to happen to you, then what what

1415
01:35:30,420 --> 01:35:35,790
happens? You become part of the
prison industrial complex. Yeah,

1416
01:35:36,210 --> 01:35:41,040
at the hands of not being a
sustaining father. Now, I will

1417
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:46,530
say this. Man had to be more
responsible because this is not

1418
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:51,270
a beat up on one side or the
other show. This is to you made

1419
01:35:51,270 --> 01:35:55,740
a valid, great, great, great
point. Keeping that person that

1420
01:35:55,740 --> 01:35:59,310
middleman out of the
conversation. Work with each

1421
01:35:59,310 --> 01:36:02,790
other? Yeah, for as long as
possible, of course, right? Man?

1422
01:36:02,790 --> 01:36:05,370
No, you know, your
responsibility, man. I'm talking

1423
01:36:05,370 --> 01:36:10,380
to man out there. Brothers, the
patriarchy. You know, your

1424
01:36:10,380 --> 01:36:14,070
responsibility when you create a
child, if you want to be part of

1425
01:36:14,070 --> 01:36:19,260
that patriarchy been the number
one rule is providing. But as I

1426
01:36:19,260 --> 01:36:22,920
stated before, often we all hit
hard times in life and

1427
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:29,610
hardships. If a person is able
to work with that person,

1428
01:36:29,910 --> 01:36:33,330
mothers work with the Father and
say, Okay, I know you're on a

1429
01:36:33,330 --> 01:36:37,020
hard time right now. But you can
catch me later. But getting that

1430
01:36:37,620 --> 01:36:41,430
denying that child visitation
denying that child not I said

1431
01:36:41,430 --> 01:36:45,360
that purposely denying the child
the visitation not Not, not the

1432
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:49,050
father. Yeah. But you know, it
drives a wedge in the bad mouth,

1433
01:36:49,050 --> 01:36:53,430
the father, it just is just work
with each other, came for stayed

1434
01:36:53,430 --> 01:36:57,300
out of your out of your family,
and you won't have that war your

1435
01:36:57,300 --> 01:36:58,440
household. So

1436
01:36:58,829 --> 01:37:02,399
while we're talking about it,
how does this who's out there

1437
01:37:02,399 --> 01:37:05,729
trying to change this message or
trying trying to propagate the

1438
01:37:05,729 --> 01:37:08,669
message that you just gave?
Basically, who's who's out

1439
01:37:08,669 --> 01:37:12,269
there? I mean, we know what
powers are at work to undermine

1440
01:37:12,269 --> 01:37:15,449
all of this is aware of the good
guys?

1441
01:37:16,500 --> 01:37:20,670
Were here's here's the solution
that's cropping up. Don't trust

1442
01:37:20,670 --> 01:37:23,640
women? I don't want anything do
it to do it. Women? That's no

1443
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:24,270
good, either.

1444
01:37:24,270 --> 01:37:26,760
That's not a great solution.

1445
01:37:27,539 --> 01:37:30,629
Yeah, you're playing right into
the depopulation game, right.

1446
01:37:31,019 --> 01:37:34,649
Which, I mean, which is the long
game here, ultimately, and it's

1447
01:37:34,649 --> 01:37:40,109
just, it's just this continual
distrust. But where's it

1448
01:37:40,109 --> 01:37:42,989
stemming from? I mean, you guys
had to like each other at some

1449
01:37:42,989 --> 01:37:45,989
point. I mean, if you procreate,
it will mean each other. So

1450
01:37:46,739 --> 01:37:51,239
whether it's these expectations,
it's the more I call it, the

1451
01:37:51,239 --> 01:37:57,569
more syndrome. Yeah. It's a game
show. It's a game, it's a game

1452
01:37:57,569 --> 01:38:00,359
show, I'm not the Daddy, oh,
they run off the backstage, you

1453
01:38:00,359 --> 01:38:03,689
know, or you are a data, you
know, it's like a dance, you

1454
01:38:03,689 --> 01:38:06,389
know, it's like, What in the
hell is going on here? You know,

1455
01:38:06,389 --> 01:38:06,809
there should

1456
01:38:06,810 --> 01:38:10,320
be a study should be done a
university, you know, like a

1457
01:38:10,350 --> 01:38:16,590
proper study of the effect of
those particular shows, on black

1458
01:38:16,590 --> 01:38:18,060
America in particular.

1459
01:38:20,790 --> 01:38:21,930
I bet somebody

1460
01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:25,740
that will show you some real
devastation, man, they really

1461
01:38:25,740 --> 01:38:30,120
will. Then also just what it's
the whole positioning of it,

1462
01:38:30,450 --> 01:38:33,150
just forget about what's
happened to actual black black

1463
01:38:33,150 --> 01:38:35,850
families, and potential black
families because that's what

1464
01:38:35,850 --> 01:38:39,870
most of those who are potential
families, the perception amongst

1465
01:38:39,870 --> 01:38:44,940
the rest of the world. Jerry
Springer wasn't just in America.

1466
01:38:45,450 --> 01:38:48,690
This was adored by people in
Europe. They'd stay up until

1467
01:38:48,690 --> 01:38:51,240
three in the morning to watch
this. They couldn't believe what

1468
01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:53,760
was going on. They thought it
was so cool. He's looking he's

1469
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:59,490
crazy nut jobs in America. But
subliminally all along, I would

1470
01:38:59,490 --> 01:39:02,820
say on those shows 95% Black

1471
01:39:04,860 --> 01:39:07,920
especially in our morning,
here's the other thing. We you

1472
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:13,080
get to one name, recognition.
Yeah. In America that tells you

1473
01:39:13,080 --> 01:39:17,520
the influence you have. Yep. And
when you say Maury people know

1474
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:24,330
exactly what it is. Yep. And it
has it has a certain stigma to

1475
01:39:24,330 --> 01:39:32,670
it. But yeah, so let's continue
on with Joe. Clip. 23.

1476
01:39:33,659 --> 01:39:38,429
A black woman would in turn play
the womanly role to a white man

1477
01:39:38,429 --> 01:39:41,129
that she wouldn't play to him.
Yes. And as black men if she's

1478
01:39:41,129 --> 01:39:43,619
been subjected to this sort of
program, yeah, but

1479
01:39:43,620 --> 01:39:48,900
it's deeper than that is a
cultural vein. Pimps commonly

1480
01:39:48,900 --> 01:39:52,200
run this game but it's a
feminine game that black women

1481
01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:56,880
are taught. I got to break him
down the side. Yeah, girl. Got

1482
01:39:56,880 --> 01:40:02,370
to tear him down and manage both
pieces. I see this the same way

1483
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:05,880
a pimp does, he takes the woman
who's susceptible to that and

1484
01:40:05,880 --> 01:40:10,230
breaks it down into manageable
pieces, he tears it down. And

1485
01:40:10,230 --> 01:40:14,610
that's what you find is a
cultural thing going back. Well,

1486
01:40:14,610 --> 01:40:21,450
that was advocated in the
1710 1708 pamphlet that I read

1487
01:40:21,450 --> 01:40:24,450
in the Library of Congress, or
at least on microfilm, and it

1488
01:40:24,450 --> 01:40:30,540
was repeated over and over and
over again. So what Judge is

1489
01:40:30,540 --> 01:40:36,270
referring to is the is the
willie Lynch papers, which I

1490
01:40:36,270 --> 01:40:40,050
haven't really painted. Now, if
his was real, or a piece of

1491
01:40:40,050 --> 01:40:43,650
propaganda that was circulated
in the black community, or if it

1492
01:40:43,650 --> 01:40:46,140
was actually a real paper, he
said he read it in the Library

1493
01:40:46,140 --> 01:40:51,240
of Congress. I don't know. But
what it what it included was,

1494
01:40:51,540 --> 01:40:57,180
you had to do Dr. Old against
young, light against dark, male

1495
01:40:57,180 --> 01:41:01,350
against female, all the things
we talked about in the show. So

1496
01:41:01,740 --> 01:41:05,190
even if it's a piece of
propaganda, and not really a

1497
01:41:05,250 --> 01:41:08,430
actual historical document, the
content of it

1498
01:41:09,750 --> 01:41:16,530
is accurate. Now, you cannot
assume the I even knew what the

1499
01:41:16,530 --> 01:41:18,900
hell the willie Lynch papers
were about.

1500
01:41:19,590 --> 01:41:23,610
Right? And okay, the willie
Lynch paper, I can't describe

1501
01:41:23,610 --> 01:41:27,900
it. But it was a what was said
to be this god named last name

1502
01:41:27,900 --> 01:41:33,240
Lynch. And they said, it's what
lynching comes from, oh, he had

1503
01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:37,920
this pamphlet of how to make a
slave to go around to the slave

1504
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:42,300
owners and say, Okay, this is
how you because ordinarily, the

1505
01:41:42,300 --> 01:41:45,990
slave outnumber the owners of
the plantation that slave

1506
01:41:45,990 --> 01:41:52,950
masters and overseers and family
are the art of those people. So

1507
01:41:52,950 --> 01:41:58,590
to keep a slave rebellion for
happening, you had to keep the

1508
01:41:58,590 --> 01:41:59,490
slaves divided.

1509
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:05,280
It was basically the manual for
your group of slaves. Yes,

1510
01:42:05,310 --> 01:42:08,400
congratulations, man. slave
owner here, here's your slaves.

1511
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:10,710
And here's the manual on how to
manage them.

1512
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:15,480
Yes, man. Yes. Wow. And that
that's the house Negro versus

1513
01:42:15,510 --> 01:42:20,220
field Negro, which was like
dark, old against young you saw

1514
01:42:20,220 --> 01:42:21,240
that and roots with,

1515
01:42:22,050 --> 01:42:26,010
I gotta tell, I gotta tell you,
I had never heard of this, I

1516
01:42:26,010 --> 01:42:31,020
feel somewhat embarrassed. But
I'm glad. No bugs. That's just

1517
01:42:31,020 --> 01:42:35,790
how I feel. I'm bringing it up.
And of course, I've gotten into

1518
01:42:35,790 --> 01:42:38,670
the habit of everything we
talked about on the show, I'll

1519
01:42:38,670 --> 01:42:40,740
get some links, and I'll put
them into the show notes. So

1520
01:42:40,740 --> 01:42:45,240
please do check the show notes.
You can see each show note page,

1521
01:42:45,270 --> 01:42:48,780
you know, has a lot of Wikipedia
entries, but all these different

1522
01:42:48,780 --> 01:42:52,680
names, you can kind of jumping
off point from there. But this

1523
01:42:52,680 --> 01:42:56,040
also just like we, we learned
about gaslighting. Well, you

1524
01:42:56,040 --> 01:42:58,530
learned about gaslighting. I
didn't know that lynching comes

1525
01:42:58,530 --> 01:42:59,250
from this.

1526
01:43:00,390 --> 01:43:03,690
Yes, that's where it said to
come from. And like I said,

1527
01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:07,590
there's debate where the
validity of it but I'm not

1528
01:43:07,590 --> 01:43:13,530
talking about the actual doesn't
matter. I'm talking about how it

1529
01:43:13,530 --> 01:43:18,270
was done, how it's done and put
in what's done. And it's clear

1530
01:43:18,270 --> 01:43:22,410
as day we've covered every one
of those divisions on this show

1531
01:43:22,410 --> 01:43:26,790
and multiple episodes. Yes. And
we're back again on the man

1532
01:43:26,790 --> 01:43:32,490
versus woman. But yeah, I mean,
so that's Judge Joe Brown for

1533
01:43:32,490 --> 01:43:38,250
you. Um, I mean, he is a great
source of historical facts very,

1534
01:43:38,280 --> 01:43:42,060
very well read, well educated,
you know, I mean, he's a judge,

1535
01:43:42,060 --> 01:43:47,550
of course, though, but yeah, so
you're just seeing the older

1536
01:43:48,150 --> 01:43:51,420
generation is starting to speak
to the younger generation. Yeah.

1537
01:43:53,220 --> 01:43:57,750
So not sure if I have a
duplicate clip, but let's just

1538
01:43:57,750 --> 01:44:00,960
listen to 24. And see, I'll get
into that.

1539
01:44:02,700 --> 01:44:09,360
And, and why. What is so what it
sounded like to me judge is that

1540
01:44:10,170 --> 01:44:14,460
black women are constantly being
elevated and promoted, whether

1541
01:44:14,460 --> 01:44:18,510
it be in politics, as now you
see all these women mayor's

1542
01:44:18,510 --> 01:44:24,270
around the country and state of
Georgia, or on activism, black

1543
01:44:24,270 --> 01:44:27,480
women started Black Lives
Matter. They are the go to

1544
01:44:27,480 --> 01:44:32,280
people to be elevated by people
outside our community, which

1545
01:44:32,280 --> 01:44:37,140
diminishes the value of black
men. And it also causes black

1546
01:44:37,140 --> 01:44:43,890
women to look outside of black
men for the protection and

1547
01:44:43,890 --> 01:44:47,610
providing that they should get
from us is that was that was

1548
01:44:47,610 --> 01:44:48,060
going on.

1549
01:44:50,310 --> 01:44:57,060
Willie Lynch William Lynch, West
Indies planter said that one of

1550
01:44:57,060 --> 01:45:04,140
the secrets to causing the slave
to domesticate themselves, is

1551
01:45:04,140 --> 01:45:10,200
conditioning the black female to
understand that she could not

1552
01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:15,960
get safety, protection and
provision from her males, and

1553
01:45:15,960 --> 01:45:19,830
only look to white males to do
it that goes back the first time

1554
01:45:19,830 --> 01:45:22,620
I saw that was in the 1710
PAMPs. So

1555
01:45:22,620 --> 01:45:25,440
that creates a natural enmity
Oh,

1556
01:45:25,470 --> 01:45:28,680
it's a cultural thing that's
been imposed on us. So,

1557
01:45:29,070 --> 01:45:33,810
black woman would in turn, play
the womanly role to a white man

1558
01:45:33,810 --> 01:45:36,300
that she wouldn't play to him.
Yes. And then as black men if

1559
01:45:36,300 --> 01:45:39,120
she's been subjected to this
sort of problem, yeah, but it's

1560
01:45:39,120 --> 01:45:39,870
deeper than that

1561
01:45:39,900 --> 01:45:45,630
is a cultural thing. Pimps
commonly run this game, but it's

1562
01:45:45,630 --> 01:45:49,710
a feminine game that black women
are taught. I gotta break him

1563
01:45:49,710 --> 01:45:54,330
down the side. Yeah, okay, I
want to make this point. Because

1564
01:45:54,330 --> 01:45:58,380
I don't want to seem like it's
piling on. There are a lot of

1565
01:45:58,380 --> 01:46:02,730
women of all races, especially
black women that are

1566
01:46:02,730 --> 01:46:07,080
appreciative of the patriarchy,
because they're made to feel

1567
01:46:07,080 --> 01:46:13,320
safe and protected. And provided
for, but where it clashes is

1568
01:46:13,320 --> 01:46:18,630
when they deal with their fellow
sisters of a different mindset.

1569
01:46:19,050 --> 01:46:23,190
They're ashamed. And one of the
things I've noticed in America

1570
01:46:23,220 --> 01:46:29,490
as we shame stay at home moms,
is sickening. It's like, oh, so

1571
01:46:29,490 --> 01:46:34,470
what do you do? I'm a stay at
home mom. Oh, you get that? Oh,

1572
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:36,450
yeah, this is that meanwhile,
this

1573
01:46:36,450 --> 01:46:39,660
is goes back to the same period
and it goes all goes back to

1574
01:46:39,660 --> 01:46:43,050
Steinem and before. Yeah, it's
part of the same thing.

1575
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:48,870
And the reason why I say that is
it's a, it's an well known

1576
01:46:48,870 --> 01:46:53,730
saying cliche. The Hand That
Rocks, the cradle, is the hand

1577
01:46:53,730 --> 01:46:57,360
that rules the world. So if you
really want to inspire and bring

1578
01:46:57,360 --> 01:47:02,520
about change, it's the mothers
that can do it. And it's what

1579
01:47:02,520 --> 01:47:07,410
they teach their sons at a young
age, and who they select to have

1580
01:47:07,410 --> 01:47:13,050
their sons by. That's how you
change society. Now women have a

1581
01:47:13,050 --> 01:47:18,150
lot of power. Let's not get this
twisted. It's the fact that

1582
01:47:18,300 --> 01:47:26,070
these sick people know their
flaw is their emotional

1583
01:47:26,070 --> 01:47:32,460
heartstrings. And they pluck
them. Yeah. To make them feel

1584
01:47:32,460 --> 01:47:37,530
inferior to make them feel less
than because they stay at home

1585
01:47:37,530 --> 01:47:43,470
and they want to be taken care
of. Not in a sense of provided

1586
01:47:43,470 --> 01:47:47,310
for but it's like, that's a
symbol of love. And just ladies

1587
01:47:47,490 --> 01:47:52,230
a little man inside baseball a
way a man shall he loves you is

1588
01:47:52,230 --> 01:47:57,390
how he provides for you. Is that
a fair statement? Adam or no?

1589
01:48:01,170 --> 01:48:02,760
How he provides?

1590
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:03,720
I don't know.

1591
01:48:04,079 --> 01:48:07,559
I'm not talking about
monetarily. No, no, no, totally.

1592
01:48:08,399 --> 01:48:14,159
Changing the tire? I mean, like,
I fix that. Yeah. Yeah, let's

1593
01:48:14,429 --> 01:48:16,229
look at what I can do for you.

1594
01:48:16,260 --> 01:48:21,210
Oh, I think that yeah, that's,
that's a very natural masculine

1595
01:48:21,210 --> 01:48:24,240
trait to want to do. Yeah, of
course. I'll take care of that.

1596
01:48:24,450 --> 01:48:26,820
I'll get the bug. I'll get the
spider. Right.

1597
01:48:26,820 --> 01:48:28,920
Exactly, exactly. I'll get that
thing book.

1598
01:48:29,820 --> 01:48:35,940
Now I do I do want to say in our
house. We have an equality.

1599
01:48:36,780 --> 01:48:41,790
Right, which is based on
hygiene. Everybody closes the

1600
01:48:41,790 --> 01:48:47,910
lid. Oh, yes, please. It makes
it so easy. First of all, I

1601
01:48:47,910 --> 01:48:51,390
would say it's smarter to flush
the toilet with the lid closed.

1602
01:48:52,140 --> 01:48:54,900
Once you've seen the studies of
what is floating around.

1603
01:48:55,620 --> 01:48:57,510
That's all poop. Yeah, I'm
aware.

1604
01:48:58,590 --> 01:49:02,190
It really is quite disgusting
when you know, but it ends any

1605
01:49:02,190 --> 01:49:05,370
debate it ends any in you know,
fallen into the toilet in the

1606
01:49:05,370 --> 01:49:08,940
middle of the night, which is
not a good thing. You know, all

1607
01:49:08,940 --> 01:49:12,900
these things. It ends it if you
just everyone just you done

1608
01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:17,580
whatever you did. Close the lid.
Flush. Good to go. save

1609
01:49:17,670 --> 01:49:18,330
everybody.

1610
01:49:19,230 --> 01:49:25,710
But what's the name of the
1980s 90s romantic movie? That

1611
01:49:25,710 --> 01:49:30,870
guy spends $100 trying to knock
down some milk jugs. So when the

1612
01:49:30,870 --> 01:49:35,190
girl oversized teddy bear,
right? Yes, of course. It's not

1613
01:49:35,190 --> 01:49:37,560
about money because he could
have easily went and bought one.

1614
01:49:37,590 --> 01:49:40,680
It's like I did that. You know
and I want my woman to walk

1615
01:49:40,680 --> 01:49:45,360
around with a teddy bear at the
fair show. I did this for her

1616
01:49:45,570 --> 01:49:51,450
that also it's it would that
ancestral it goes back to you

1617
01:49:51,450 --> 01:49:56,070
know the hunter gatherer versus
I mean the hunter gatherer and

1618
01:49:56,070 --> 01:49:59,220
us that you know, we came back
with the with the keel.

1619
01:49:59,400 --> 01:50:02,610
Well, we've been Oh, Run by, you
know, the same messaging

1620
01:50:02,610 --> 01:50:07,500
machine, the same delivery
mechanism is overrun by people

1621
01:50:07,500 --> 01:50:10,680
with a clear agenda, who, you
know, are using the same

1622
01:50:10,680 --> 01:50:13,230
mechanism to tell you that you
that that's not okay. And that's

1623
01:50:13,230 --> 01:50:19,500
wrong. And I mean, just look at
television commercials. The guy

1624
01:50:19,500 --> 01:50:23,430
is screwed up again. I'm a
doofus.

1625
01:50:26,130 --> 01:50:30,150
And we're not calls up here. So
I got a few more clips. But I

1626
01:50:30,150 --> 01:50:35,820
wanted to piggyback on your
point you just made if you watch

1627
01:50:35,820 --> 01:50:39,240
children's television, which I
do, because I always watch my

1628
01:50:39,240 --> 01:50:42,210
kid watch when they leave the
room. I got come in the room and

1629
01:50:42,210 --> 01:50:46,770
I watch. It's a hierarchy and
his television shows. Both

1630
01:50:46,770 --> 01:50:51,630
parents are stupid. First of
all, it's the dad is

1631
01:50:51,630 --> 01:50:57,870
substantially more dumber than
the mom. Yeah. Oh, Dad, like one

1632
01:50:57,870 --> 01:51:01,530
of those. Yeah, it's like, I
mean, he did. I mean, he's, he's

1633
01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:03,360
barely functioning.

1634
01:51:04,950 --> 01:51:06,450
He's lucky. He's breathing.
Really?

1635
01:51:06,900 --> 01:51:09,480
Yeah. Right. I mean, it's like,
you know, it's like, oh, you

1636
01:51:09,480 --> 01:51:12,510
know, and the jokes are like
this, like two or three dad

1637
01:51:12,510 --> 01:51:17,070
jokes in every episode. But now
this is it. And they're going

1638
01:51:17,070 --> 01:51:22,950
down to the lower level. But
JoJo brown in the last clip,

1639
01:51:23,400 --> 01:51:28,200
talked about that tearing down
to manageable pieces. Yeah. I

1640
01:51:28,200 --> 01:51:32,430
wanted to bring to the table,
what that looks like and what

1641
01:51:32,430 --> 01:51:36,120
that sounds like. So I went to
continue with the day time

1642
01:51:36,120 --> 01:51:41,970
television show theme. Divorce
Court, my man's and when you say

1643
01:51:41,970 --> 01:51:43,350
your man is a wimp.

1644
01:51:45,360 --> 01:51:48,480
And that's your biggest problem
with him? Yes.

1645
01:51:49,230 --> 01:51:53,340
Could you explain that to me?
Well, basically, he's a weenie.

1646
01:51:53,370 --> 01:51:54,180
He's a punk. I'm

1647
01:51:54,180 --> 01:51:54,990
tired of it.

1648
01:51:55,170 --> 01:51:58,230
He's not man. enough for me. I'm
too strong for him.

1649
01:51:59,310 --> 01:52:01,620
Now, this was the 90s this
divorce court or was it later

1650
01:52:01,620 --> 01:52:01,770
than

1651
01:52:01,800 --> 01:52:07,890
No, this was this was like last
week. What? Really? I mean,

1652
01:52:07,890 --> 01:52:11,580
okay, at least like six months
ago, no, no, only six months

1653
01:52:11,580 --> 01:52:12,570
ago. It's not a

1654
01:52:12,570 --> 01:52:16,050
YouTube thing. And this is like
near as as 30 years ago. Really?

1655
01:52:16,050 --> 01:52:18,510
Last week. Okay. Wow, nice.

1656
01:52:19,620 --> 01:52:23,100
But this is the tearing down to
manageable pieces. He's a wimp.

1657
01:52:23,310 --> 01:52:26,670
And just the personal
background. This isn't to a

1658
01:52:26,670 --> 01:52:30,960
couple getting divorced. This
was an episode of should we get

1659
01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:38,070
married. As he's talking to the
poor guy like this, oh, he's a

1660
01:52:38,070 --> 01:52:46,290
wimp. He's a weenie. I'm like,
dude, Ryan. Wow. But we're up to

1661
01:52:46,529 --> 01:52:48,209
miss Clark. Miss Clark. Let

1662
01:52:48,210 --> 01:52:51,000
me tell you something. You may
think he's a weenie and a punk

1663
01:52:51,000 --> 01:52:53,940
and a wimp. But I'm most
certainly not. And if you keep

1664
01:52:53,940 --> 01:52:57,420
that up, you go right through
that door. And she and I will

1665
01:52:57,420 --> 01:53:03,390
finish our proceedings alone.
And you lose in the rational war

1666
01:53:03,390 --> 01:53:04,950
right here already, you know?

1667
01:53:05,820 --> 01:53:12,450
Mm hmm. So when the female just
checked her, she understood the

1668
01:53:12,450 --> 01:53:20,130
power structure. So yeah. So um,
yeah. So this is what it sounds

1669
01:53:20,130 --> 01:53:23,940
like, for man to be shredded.
And for all the people just

1670
01:53:23,940 --> 01:53:27,810
wondering why this poor guy puts
up with it went three.

1671
01:53:28,020 --> 01:53:30,570
I mean, I'm just me, right? I
could just be mean, if you want

1672
01:53:30,570 --> 01:53:31,800
something else didn't go they

1673
01:53:31,800 --> 01:53:34,920
go get something else and Quit
bothering you. That having said

1674
01:53:34,920 --> 01:53:39,930
that, let me say this one you
stay. seem to make any sense.

1675
01:53:40,920 --> 01:53:43,740
Often explain to you No, it's
the other way around. I tried to

1676
01:53:43,740 --> 01:53:47,550
get away. I've tried to get
away. She feels Clark. This

1677
01:53:47,550 --> 01:53:50,970
woman is crazy. She will find me
I can move out of the country.

1678
01:53:50,970 --> 01:53:53,520
Somehow, someway, she will find
me literally

1679
01:53:54,240 --> 01:53:58,680
do you chase him about now?
That's a lie. So you know when

1680
01:53:58,680 --> 01:54:00,660
he leaves you don't go searching
for him?

1681
01:54:01,500 --> 01:54:13,200
Well, you know. Well, we may see
a modern or guesses just as

1682
01:54:13,200 --> 01:54:17,400
Mario may see an interesting
version of this. take place this

1683
01:54:17,610 --> 01:54:20,970
this power dynamic. It may be
taking place. It actually

1684
01:54:20,970 --> 01:54:24,780
doesn't even matter if it's true
or not. I think it may be spun

1685
01:54:24,780 --> 01:54:29,040
that way, which is probably the
most important part. And that's

1686
01:54:29,070 --> 01:54:35,520
Prince Harry and Meghan Markel.
We may. We may see a version we

1687
01:54:35,520 --> 01:54:38,790
may see a version of this being
portrayed in the media again,

1688
01:54:38,790 --> 01:54:42,960
whether it's true or not
already, without a doubt the

1689
01:54:42,960 --> 01:54:47,100
messaging is, well, the Harry's
kind of a little pussy whipped.

1690
01:54:49,320 --> 01:54:52,980
Very shrew, and she's a super
woman. Yes.

1691
01:54:54,840 --> 01:54:58,200
And he is a minority because
let's face it, Ginger has got it

1692
01:54:58,200 --> 01:54:58,740
rough.

1693
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:07,110
Right. And for the archetype of
shoes she's supposed to feel

1694
01:55:08,430 --> 01:55:11,190
she's gonna play the role. Yeah.

1695
01:55:11,250 --> 01:55:14,490
And it's in. Wow. And so let's
just think about this because I

1696
01:55:14,490 --> 01:55:20,070
think I think the, the overall
theme here has been the

1697
01:55:20,070 --> 01:55:25,770
influence of media Television In
particular, in how this power

1698
01:55:25,770 --> 01:55:30,810
dynamic has been displayed and
and its total blaxploitation.

1699
01:55:31,350 --> 01:55:35,880
I'm now coming to realize, of
course, back in the 90s hours,

1700
01:55:35,940 --> 01:55:39,180
ooh, look at me on Mr. MTV i Oh,
that's funny. Look at Jerry look

1701
01:55:39,180 --> 01:55:42,780
at more and you don't really
think about it, what the long

1702
01:55:42,780 --> 01:55:49,140
standing impact of that is. But
now this story, it is the fairy

1703
01:55:49,140 --> 01:55:55,710
tale story, she married a
prince, but the prince instead

1704
01:55:55,710 --> 01:55:59,700
of take again, he may be in
charge of everything. He may be

1705
01:55:59,700 --> 01:56:02,130
running the show, he'd be like,
Baby, I'm taking care of you.

1706
01:56:02,430 --> 01:56:06,090
That's not what's being
portrayed on television. And I

1707
01:56:06,090 --> 01:56:10,950
don't think that's the way it's
going to play out the story. And

1708
01:56:10,950 --> 01:56:14,970
it kind of breaks though. That's
a real, if it plays out that

1709
01:56:14,970 --> 01:56:20,250
way. Very destructive to the
whole, the ultimate patriarchy

1710
01:56:20,250 --> 01:56:25,260
is the handsome prince. sweeps
you away they live happily ever

1711
01:56:25,260 --> 01:56:29,400
after. And this one could turn
out differently where I had to

1712
01:56:29,400 --> 01:56:32,940
tell him what to do. I had to
drag his ass back to America or

1713
01:56:32,940 --> 01:56:37,260
to America I had I'm an I'm the
I'm the Superwoman I'm taking

1714
01:56:37,260 --> 01:56:41,880
care of it all Wow, this will be
very I have new eyes to watch

1715
01:56:41,880 --> 01:56:42,450
this with.

1716
01:56:43,230 --> 01:56:49,470
And a monarchy is nothing but a
patriarch take down a monarchy.

1717
01:56:50,580 --> 01:56:54,420
But it's the death is the death
is the it's the headshot for the

1718
01:56:54,690 --> 01:57:00,300
nationalism. It is a shock for
the patriarchy. It kills a

1719
01:57:00,300 --> 01:57:02,730
couple of birds with one stone
wow

1720
01:57:08,250 --> 01:57:09,960
it's tough time to be a man more

1721
01:57:11,670 --> 01:57:14,460
than welcome to the game.
Welcome to the game.

1722
01:57:16,410 --> 01:57:19,470
Mo thank you so much for putting
this one together a lot to think

1723
01:57:19,470 --> 01:57:21,150
about and a lot to pay attention
to.

1724
01:57:22,800 --> 01:57:26,160
And as I always say pay
attention to everything and the

1725
01:57:26,160 --> 01:57:27,450
truth where we really tell

1726
01:57:28,680 --> 01:57:33,240
and we will reveal ourselves
again. About a week from now

1727
01:57:33,240 --> 01:57:38,700
please support the show at mo
fund me.com mo e fund me.com

1728
01:57:40,320 --> 01:57:46,140
How can I express you the joy I
felt when I realized that I had

1729
01:57:46,140 --> 01:57:51,990
found the perfect man for me the
man who could make me feel all

1730
01:57:51,990 --> 01:57:59,160
the things I felt a woman should
feel I said darling I want to be

1731
01:57:59,160 --> 01:58:03,660
the perfect woman for you I got
myself a three year subscription

1732
01:58:03,660 --> 01:58:07,920
to Essence magazine read it from
cover to cover you know I wanted

1733
01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:12,990
to be perfect for blank is
beautiful just keep getting up

1734
01:58:12,990 --> 01:58:17,070
together we can make it it's
gonna be alright if for some

1735
01:58:17,070 --> 01:58:19,920
reason you feel that you can no
longer be the man that I thought

1736
01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:24,480
you were at the beginning of our
relationship then I got this one

1737
01:58:24,480 --> 01:58:31,920
thing to lay on you must wait a
little

1738
01:58:35,430 --> 01:58:45,480
while don't just go away to see
you get hard

1739
01:58:46,500 --> 01:58:52,050
for me to understand so just go
on away and just go on and on

1740
01:58:52,050 --> 01:59:11,190
when that's gone away a little
more before do some fresh Find

1741
01:59:11,190 --> 01:59:12,000
yourself another

1742
01:59:13,260 --> 01:59:29,250
stream because you're hurt every
minute that you delay a winning

1743
01:59:29,250 --> 01:59:32,040
Emmy winning Emmy winning Emmy
winning me when you need me when

1744
01:59:32,040 --> 01:59:36,930
you walk through some type of
like this. You're getting just a

1745
01:59:36,930 --> 01:59:42,900
little bit too busy. So why
don't you go all the way

1746
01:59:53,280 --> 02:00:00,330
Why don't you just leave nonummy
Thanks, Richard. All right

1747
02:00:00,360 --> 02:00:06,330
normally Playboy magazines go on
get out on life so don't stand

1748
02:00:06,330 --> 02:00:08,400
so close to be with you trying
to get that last goodbye kiss I

1749
02:00:08,400 --> 02:00:19,320
know your moves now and don't to
kiss my eyelids

1750
02:00:21,960 --> 02:00:27,720
are pleased I'm sick might be
your lobes Ifedi and don't

1751
02:00:27,720 --> 02:00:28,140
remember

1752
02:00:38,550 --> 02:00:43,170
think you can get a job by
Thursday you promised your

1753
02:00:43,170 --> 02:00:43,680
uniform

1754
02:00:46,680 --> 02:00:55,260
then you might as well stay stay
man is mostly

1755
02:00:58,230 --> 02:01:05,730
don't you can be with him one
more time. This time I'm gonna

1756
02:01:05,730 --> 02:01:10,680
try harder to spend this time
I'm gonna be sweet