Podcasting 2.0 for June 12th, 2026, episode 263. Chat is
dead. Well, hello and welcome my friends into the boardroom,
the board meeting of Podcasting 2.0. Just a bunch of
teenagers here, pay no attention to us. what the future
of podcasting is going to be because we're creating it.
I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of the Texas
Hill Country and in Alabama, the man who's so far
underwater he needs a snorkel. The reverb on the end,
I like it. Come on, man, come on. I'm a
radio pronosticator. You are. That was impressive. I like it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's Friday once again, everybody. Welcome to
Podcasting 2.0. Dave, how are you doing? I saw notes
on the podcastindex.social, and whenever you say, I'm so far
underwater, man, I'm like, oh, boy. Oh, boy. Oh, boy.
I live in that state perpetually, so I'm used to
it. I just want to say that sometimes I need
to say. Sometimes I need to set expectations about how
fast code or something is going to happen because I'm
like, you know, eh. A lot going on. There's a
lot going on. I don't, I just don't, I don't,
I always feel bad because people. Email me or... post
something to me and want something. And I'm like, you
know, I really want to give that to you quickly,
but I just, I only get about an hour and
a half a day max. It's crazy to see how
much output you have actually based upon that hour, hour
and a half a day. I've been able to. Increase
the output a little bit with AI coding. Ah, there
it is. Increase productivity. No one's replacing Dave. He's just
getting more productive. And when you get more productive, there's
less time for your wife. Yeah, that's really what it
is. I know. The, um... The end. I think the
AI coding... has worked pretty well for my use cases
because There was already a large existing code base. Witch.
it can draw patterns from. So yeah, sure, sure, sure,
sure. I mean, there's, there's, there's, There's already a hundred
thousand lines of code. you know, in the podcast index.
repositories in which to just sort of like root around.
To root around and delete stuff. Yeah, I say I
need a new endpoint that does this on the API.
And it can just say, well, it can go look
at the existing stuff and all the SQL statements and
all that kind of stuff. I mean, that's not hard.
But wait, when you say that, do you let it
build it? I always go through the spec driven development
process. I always have it create a spec. A plan.
Well, yeah, this is... Yeah, yeah, it is. It's a
plan, but also like a... My typical pattern is... I
take... I don't let, I never let the AI agent.
touch the code base. without, excuse me, excuse me, touch
the repository. So everything, it is prohibited from. writing anything
to get. Except for when it does it. Except for
when it does it and then apologizes for it after
the fact. That's my favorite. Oh, man, I'm sorry. I'll
write this down so that'll never happen again. And then
it'll do it and it'll say, oh, you know what,
you're right. You're right. I should have seen that. I
have a note about that. Oh, yeah. How many times
have I been through that? It's a lie. It's just
a lie. It's a lie. Unless you specifically say in
your prompt, and remember. Don't do this. You've got a
memory file about it. It will do it. Eventually, it
will just do it. You've got to, you have to
be. These things need a human to drive it. It
needs a human. When it comes back from if you
clear out the context, which I do a lot. comes
back from context, and then I'll have to remind it,
okay, remember, we have memory about this. Go look for
it before you, oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, you're right.
I don't actually know any of that. Let me go
check it out. Because it just doesn't know. It's not
intelligent. It's a robot. And... That's why I never let
it touch Git. Of course, you have to have your
stuff backed up. I mean, you have to. You must
have back up to everything. No matter what. And I
never let it touch Git. And then. have essay I
think. I think coders who... are very successful. with using
AI agents to do coding. are people who already think
in small... bite-sized chunks about projects. Small-minded people, yes. Small-minded
people with small windows of thought processing, yes. Because the
process you already take is one where you take a
large... thing and boil it down into a small series
of steps. And so you just, you naturally sort of
think and talk that way already. And then... you take
that and apply it to a very. a A code
repository that's been around for years. and is very mature.
mature in the sense of it has established patterns, not
that those patterns are necessarily optimized. But it does have
a set of... patterns already. Yes. Because then, like, I
mean, adding a new endpoint to an API is typically
not... that difficult if all you're needing is data presented
in a new way. I found, you know how skills
work, obviously. I found that I've been able to make
something called Doctrine. or what Claude calls doctrine. So an
example of doctrine is my example of... do the credits.
So it's all uppercase credits and then now depending on
what show I'm working on, that's how it would adjust
it so it's not just a skill specifically for No
Agenda for Podcasting 2.0. And it understands doctrine so it
kind of handles it as a skill and has the
scripts already built. It just knows the variable is where
I'm at at that moment. And that's worked out pretty
well for me. I th- so... I think obviously AI.
is dominating everything in life everything life life all of
our lives are just so sad saturated with it. I
don't think I've ever. I don't think I've ever been
so split-minded about a single piece of technology as I
am with this. Wow. I mean, on a daily basis,
I... get tons of use out of it but i
also just dis buys it down to my core of
who I hated. Write down your backbone. I hate, yes,
my very cerebrospinal fluid. quivers with disgust at AI-generated output.
Well... I cannot stand it when somebody sends me like
a document or an email that starts off and you
immediately within the first two sentences know that it's AI.
And it's like 12 paragraphs of thing. And I'm like,
man, I can't read this. Well, we had a, this
is interesting. I know you followed the Godcaster chat that
we had this morning. There was, it was kind of
fun how it came in like, it's off air, it's
broken. And that was kind of the message that we
got. And so I go to investigate, let me see
what's going on. It was a live stream and I
didn't know. if it was broken, I didn't know if
it was not, you know, what off-air meant. And so.
After probably 25 minutes, I figured out that what was
happening is a Godcaster livestream station. We have a product
called Your Town Livestream. was being relayed by Live365, which
is correct. for licensing. But it was actually Live365 who,
for whatever reason, their system was just putting out metadata
saying off-air. without passing through the metadata which comes through
What is it called? CTY, I think it is. uh
you know that's the the metadata that comes along with
ice cast And so... I told the robot... write up
a document for the help desk on that end if
the user can't figure out how to restart their relay
or whatever it is. And so it wrote a paragraph.
I don't know if you saw that if you had
time to look at it. But I was curious if
A, if you thought, oh, wow, this is an AI-generated
thing. So did you see it or you didn't see
it? I don't, I was... split-minded with our split brain
with work so let me let me go back and
see if i can yeah well And oh, is this,
is this the one? No, I did not see this.
Okay, you said I've debugged everything. I haven't read any
of this yet. Here's a template. Does it scream? AI
to you? The one that says, okay, I've debugged everything?
Yeah, what's underneath that. What they would have to give
to the... to the help desk at Life 365. Um...
Curious Curious. Please restart. Not necessarily, no. So as I
was posting that. I thought to myself. Well, what we
need here is the world where my robot talks to
the robot at the help desk at Live 365, and
they just resolve it without two other people sitting in
the middle. That would have been a beautiful thing. Because
now Gordon has to talk to the station guy. The
station guy has to go talk to Live 365. If
he can't figure it out, he has to email him
this document. I can see a world where that would
have been very handy. I'm going to have to think
about that one. I mean, you know. handy and Well,
less... That would be more productive for everybody involved. We
could do other things. things with that time. It def-
Mmm. It depends on what. You mean, like... Productivity has...
a lot of consequences. I am not going to. make
you feel good about this at all, I can tell.
Um... So... I'm with you on emails. I'm with you
on songs. I'm with you on images. I'm with you
on all of that. I mean, that's annoying. Well, it's
because I live my life in... 50% of my job
on a daily basis for the last 27 years has
been tech support. Right. And now you're getting just longer
emails and with superlatives that you don't need. That is
more work slop. Work slop. Yeah. And less help desk.
Mm-hmm. On the help desk side of things, The issue,
I think, is that. The way software – I think
the reason I'm having a reaction to what you're saying
about just let my support bot talk to that support
bot and then let them resolve it. Errors in... in
systems. have mini They look the same. You can have
a large number of... of problems that manifest. themselves in
the same output sure The same dialogue box. Exactly. And
so like if. if the customer is not involved or
the end user or whatever is not involved. Or if
they're the ones that trigger it. themselves. Yeah, I understand.
It just all falls apart. It's kind of a false
equivalency. Let me give you a podcasting example of productivity.
So... Every month or so, Pastor Jimmy records 23 daily
grinds for me. um This is a one-minute devotional. I
have a script that... that takes the most, you know,
I dump all 23 of these into a bin, and
then the script, you know, it's a cron job, it
runs, it says, okay, let me get the next number
in the sequence. It actually does some fun things. It
whispers it and then figures out what the scripture is
about. And then it does the ID3 tags, uploads it
to the server, adds the episode to the RSS feed.
So that's already kind of cool. The fact that it's,
you know, this less work because who wants to be
titling? You know, all of this, like 23 episodes. So
when he sends it to me, he sends it to
me as one big file. And he's got flubs. He's
got pickups. And so that used to be about a
two and a half to three hour job. I'm pretty
fast at editing. So, you know, I pick up, I
can see on the waveform. Oh, he picked it up.
Okay. I'll set an out point there. In point there.
Click. Let me listen. Okay. The edit's good. Then I'd
have to put music blocks on each of those. Then
I have to cut each one, output it, and then
it goes into the bin. So about 23 minutes. So
I did an experiment. I said, robot. Here's a file.
There's 23. Daily grinds on here. They're pickups, they're flubs,
they're restarts. I want you to cut each one, put
the music under it, make sure there's no flubs, title
it, do the ID3 tags, and then put it in
the bin. brother It had, out of 23... There were
two, because all I had to do was just audition
them in real time. listening to them. There were two
that had a little audio flaw. the beginning, just a
little glitch of, you know, a little snippet of audio.
and one where it did an edit but it picked
up a double breath. otherwise flawless. Total time for Adam,
about 30 minutes. Most of it just spent listening to
him to make sure the output was correct. This was
mind-blowing to me. Okay, so... What you're describing is a
process that you could have written code for yourself by
hand. Yes, it wrote code for it, exactly. Exactly. That's
exactly right. You could have written code that does this
yourself. Any process that you can envision as a automated
code-based process. The LLM can do it and just do
it very, very fast. Yeah, exactly. And then it has
this built in and now I'm able to reuse that
code because we've made this into a... a doctrine. So
now it understands that code. And so now I'm taking
the next step. because I'm setting up a studio at
the church. They've given me an office, and it's already
soundproofed and everything because people want to do podcasts. I'm
like, you know, the last thing I want to be
is the podcast engineer guy. Right. this now The beautiful
combination for me is Claude with Omarchi. So it's Linux.
I'm running it native. I don't buy software. I don't
look for software. I just say build this software for
me. So I said, I need a piece of software
that is idiot proof. You click on the button, you
select your podcast, you hit record. If you... flub, mess
up, you know, take it, do it, do over, etc.
People don't have to worry about that. They just keep
recording. And then when they're done, they hit stop. And
then you go and you detect all the pickups, anything
necessary, cut off. the beginning, cut off the end, have
them give an audition of any edits that were made,
and ultimately just ID3 tag it, put the image in,
boom, good to go, and the next step will be...
you know, poop it right up to rss.com. I mean,
this is... the three tools I have. which is FFmpeg.
Support those guys. Send those guys money. FFmpeg is just
one of the most beautiful tools I've ever seen. It
does everything. Um... Whisper. Which I do on, you know,
just to get transcripts of everything. I live in audio,
so that's... That's the next tool for me. And I
use together.ai for super fast. You know, it can do
an hour in like 45 seconds. and Python and then
the bot, the robot. And it's changing my life. So
I understand where you're coming from. I also see how
it's... Because I can't write code like that. I mean,
yeah, maybe I could kind of get somewhere. But no,
not really. But I understand what it's doing and I
understand how to tell it to go reuse that code.
And it's just, it's blowing my mind how productive I've
become. This is... This is the issue with the with
the current state of AI psychosis. that has just gripped
the entire known world. is the conflation between the... incredible
gain in productivity that you just described. and And I
would say, I would describe it as not even really
a gain in productivity. so much as a as an
erasure. of the things that you used to just dread.
Like, so... You get to a point in a code
base. where When somebody describes where you begin to build
out a feature and what you see as the developer
is just a whole lot of copying and pasting. You're
like this. This feature shares so many things. common with
this other feature. And I'm just going to have to
go in there and I'm going to have to build
a different version of the same class. I'm going to
have to import these same methods. I'm going to have
to build the same unit tests. You're just doing the
same thing with slight tweaks over and over and over
again. Which is exactly the process you're describing. The going
out and getting clips, the automatic edits. These are just
things that you... It's not. But then that process, which
is completely valid, that an agent can take. a process
like that. and Write all the code that automates it
for you. Which is code that you would have never
taken the time to write because it would have taken
100 hours. No, you used to write it for me
until you got busy. Yeah. That's how it is. This
is, I'm using the exact same process as you and
I have used for 16 years. You're just talking to
the agent instead of me. Yeah. But I call it
Dave, just so you know. Hello, Dave. Hello, Dave. So
that, but the problem, when the problem comes in is...
That gets conflated. with actual Customer-facing products that are supposed
to be good. Yeah Like you described customer support. Everybody
despises AI agent. customer support. Sure. It drives you, it
drives you mad, which I wasn't good at it, which
I wasn't suggesting. Oh, I know what you're saying, but
I'm saying like that's where there's a – you have
completely – streamlinable, automatable. Code production on one end. that
is getting rid of rote copy paste work for developers
and content producers. Well, also when it comes to help
desk. People hate help desks and help desks hate people
searching for help. I feel we're just removing human to
human friction. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I book travel. I
call American Express. And I talk to a human being.
And I joke with them. And I have a good
time. And I always tell them, please put me through
to your robot so I can give you a good
review. And for those of you listening to this recording,
give Jacob a raise. This man deserves a raise. I'm
always doing that. And it's very enjoyable to me. Win.
Wait, peep. People don't know, technically oriented people do not
understand. that non-technically oriented people don't know how to describe
problems. No kidding. They don't know. And what you get
is. Hey, this thing doesn't work. Well, no. And thus
starts the question and answer session. Yeah, back and forth,
back and forth, back and forth. It's like it takes
it really takes it takes a human to understand the
flow of the conversation that happens during a support. encounter
and sort of glean out because every person that you
talk to is also different. Like this person describes things
in this way. This person could describe the same problem
in a completely different way. And it takes a human
to understand. this person's lingo and pick up on, oh,
I see, when they say this, what they really mean
is this other thing. And there's some people you talk
to on a support encounter where you know that they
are lying to you. You just know it. The first
thing you say is. did you reboot your machine? Yeah,
yeah, I did. And you're like, no, no, you didn't.
You're lying to me. You're lying. That's the worst. You
go and check their... Their logs. Yeah, you pull up
their machine in real time, says, it's been up for
12 days without a reboot. You're like... And so the
bot will never know this, but you know it because
you have an instinct about the way this person is
talking to you. Okay. Now, I'll just say from a
business, a buddy of mine sells. AI-based systems to call
centers. I'm not sure, you know, these are US-based call
centers, but they're basically sweatshops. And those guys are firing,
you know, 65% once they, you know, have the agent
or whatever figures out the corpus of the company. And
they're very happy with it. I personally, you know, depending
on what the company is, I think there's levels where
you want a human being. It actually took me longer
the other day to get through to an... operator, you
know, human being. The bot kept cock-blocking me. um But
I see from a business perspective where that's like the
one instance where I say, okay, depending on what your
company is. You know, like for travel, American Express travel,
I think I pay fees. I want to talk to
a person and I. I feel good about that. A
concierge, I'm sorry, a travel concierge. They bill it that
way. And I don't mind paying the fee for that.
But all this other stuff. There's so many different levels.
that I just find super enjoyable. My creative mind is,
I mean, look, we built the freedom controller. It took
us years to do. And it was also, there was
newness for you because, you know, you would, I don't
think you'd ever really built something like this. And it
was, and it was a lot of, you know, trial
and error and me testing stuff and breaking stuff. That
process for me, I now have. you know, Well, the
Freedom Controller could be vibe-coded in in an hour and
a half now. Today, yeah. Complete, I mean, you know.
But that's the point. And with higher code quality. Possibly.
Although that thing is rock solid, man. It's been running
for eight years. Like never a reboot. The uptime on
it's like 1900 days or something like that. It's nuts.
So. Anyway, I mean, I'm just saying for what I
do. I mean, like, and just the other example. I
did this. I think you saw that. We did a
Godcaster U. It's a Zoom call. Zoom, by the way,
teaches me a lot about. changing features and removing features?
Whoa, those guys change stuff all the time and it
Bennett throws you for a loop, man. It's like, ah.
Now I can't share. How do I share my, you
know, so we go through these horrible loops of things.
Um, But at the end, it spits out a video.
And then we want to put that into our Godcaster
URSS feed. And I did the same thing. I said,
hey, this video starts at 38 minutes. It ends at
one hour and 59 minutes. or whatever it was, 127.
I want you to cut off the beginning, cut off
the end, put a Godcaster U logo in the top
left-hand corner. I want captions in the lower half, in
the lower third, and output it for web format. And
it did it. That was amazing. That's all SFM picked
too. Yeah, of course it did. Yeah. Yeah, of course
it did. Yeah. Because it's a script, because it's a
known issue that's clearly scriptable. Yeah. But do you see
how me as a... as a frustrated non-coder, just enjoys
that so much? Oh, 100%, yes. Yes, absolutely. I want
you to find some joy like that, Dave. Can I
give you some of my joy? They- The... I don't
know that... People who've been writing code for a long
time. really find any joy. in the AI coding experience.
Like, I think that... Because it's not some... Because what
you've done is you've replaced copy and pasting with just
a chat session where you're saying yes. Yes. Yes. It
gives me multiple choice questions. No, no, yes. And then
you say. write this spec document to an html file
so i can print it yeah no i i i
understand i understand but for me it's like i go
from concept and idea and brain fart to product within
half an hour. I mean, that's mind-boggling. And it's just
for me. I'm not going to sell this. I'm not
going to put it on the app store. That's a
whole different level. I don't think that would work. The
idea of, we'll have one person, billion dollar companies. Yeah,
I'm not so sure about that. I... Yeah, I think
AirPP, I think I agree with you 100%. It does
take the fun away out of coding. And it's not
that there was a ton of fun in most coding
already, but most coding was just a lot of. rehashing
of the same patterns over and over. But you would
have moments of fun where you had... Yeah, you know,
where you would run up against a real problem. And
then walk around the block for an hour and like,
what am I doing wrong? You come back and I
know I've been there too. And now that's gone. With
AppleScript. Now it's just an answer. Now it's just a
yes. Yeah, I know. The challenge is a bit gone.
I understand. But I guess I think the bigger issue,
though, is that. I think I said like a couple
of years ago in the boardroom that. Podcast companies that
have... Bait. API calls to LLM providers into their process.
At some point, that is going to become, you better
have a plan B. and well yeah sure again the
customer facing product there's all kinds of risk there. Well,
no, did you see what... Did you see what OpenAI
said this past week? They said chat is dead. Did
you see that? No, no. That's their main thing. Uh,
let's see. Should have pulled that article. Yeah, chat is
dead. OpenAI preps an overhaul of chat GPT. So basically
they're saying... that The chat bot aspect, let's see, OpenAI
is preparing the biggest overall chat GPT since its launch
kicked off. Blah, blah, blah. The company intends to transform
the chatbot into a, quote, super app, unquote. They're using
the Elon Musk super app moniker. Oh, very fun. Yeah.
That combines coding tools and AI agents adding products that
executives believe will generate more revenue. More tokenage. Yeah, so
chat is dead, said one senior OpenAI employee. OpenAI executives
increasingly view chat GPT, which has attracted nearly a billion
users, as a gateway to introduce users to higher value
products. Chat is dead. Long live Fireside. So. Zik. The
issue that I see after the WWDC stuff this week,
which seemed pretty underwhelming, it didn't even, what I was
reading about it, I didn't even want to look at
the keynote or what used to be a keynote, which
is now like still a COVID era based video. My...
takeaway from that from WWDC was Totally different than yours.
Okay. Well, I didn't see it. I didn't see it.
So this is just the reporting that I got. I
didn't see it. I look what Spurlock said. I'm like,
well, that doesn't sound very exciting. Well, a lot of
people were saying that it was boring, but... The boringness
of it. that may have been true, but the... The
impact of it, I think, is going to reverberate. It's...
I think we just... What, I think we just witnessed?
with what Apple is doing with AI? Can I tell
you what I hoped for? And then you tell me
what happened. What I was hoping for. was for them
to say, look at our machines. These are the best
machines with unified memory. You'll run our MLX LMNOP agent.
It will create anything you need, software. It'll be your
all-in-one box. That's what I was hoping to hear, and
I didn't. get any takeaway from the postings or articles.
There's a lot of that, what you just described. A
lot of that is in the individual developer sessions, which
you can watch on YouTube. Okay. There's a lot of...
dedicated sessions. that show you how to get the most
out of MLX. for local models, even going, there's even
sessions on. chaining Mac minis together to get parallel processing.
They went pretty in-depth on that, on local model support.
So I don't think that that part was a disappointment
at all. Okay. I think the... The takeaway that I
had overall... is that they just rug pulled. big LLM
model providers. Ooh, well that's good. Because what did they
just-- so they are hosting their own models in Google's
cloud. And... with privacy, they say Google cannot even access
the data. And so there, if what they demoed. actually
works? and worked well? Nobody will ever use... chat GPT.
chatbot again. Why would you? Wow. Can I play some
clips about this when you're done with your... Your analysis.
Yeah, so if... If the... Hundreds of millions of iPhone
users suddenly can just pull down their Siri button and
say, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The thing
they would say to a chat GPT chat bot in
the past or anthropic or whatever. Which is still the
predominant way that most people interact with these AI model
providers like Anthropic and OpenAI. If they can do that,
Why would they ever pay for ChatGPT or even think
about it? It's over. It's just over. Because Android will
then do the same thing. And it's done. You have
no more reason for open AI. And Claude and Anthropic
to even exist. So Jensen Wang, who for purposes of
this discussion I'll call Jensen Jobs. Because, man, he wears
the leather jacket and he tries to do one more
thing and he says, but there's more. So he did
this big thing in Korea, I think. It's a big
computing conference. And he went through. 87 minutes of this
chip and that chip and this partnership and this great
and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah But then the last three minutes. He does this.
But that's not all. That's not all. One more thing!
RTX Spark is a reinvention. of laptop. But in fact...
Laptop. It's a reinvention of laptop. Not of a laptop.
It's like iPhone. It's like iPhone. It's laptop. Laptop. Of
laptop. But in fact, Microsoft NVIDIA is reinventing all of
PC. And today we're announcing... A whole new line. Three
revolutionary Windows machines covering desktop. laptop, and workstations, all 100%
Windows compatible, 100% CUDA, 100% NVIDIA AI TensorCore. Everything that
runs that you see that runs on NVIDIA and all
these different platforms around the world runs here. This is
the first completely re-engineered, re-invented line of PCs that has
happened in 40 years. Okay, so this had my attention,
although I'm like, okay, right, you've got a partnership with
Windows, blah, blah, whatever. But then... This agent... could run
24 seven meter free. And you could download your agent.
You could raise your lobster in here. This is your
claw. It's running all the time. No meter anxiety. And
it's sitting here connected to your whole house, connected to
your laptop. Now, so this I'm like, wow, okay. That's
exactly what I've been waiting for. No meter anxiety. It's
running locally. But then the guy, he gets nutty. Connected
to your display, all the cameras, your dryer, your water
cooler. What? You're trying. What? What? My water cooler? What?
No, what? Everything, whatever you want. Your security system. all
connected to this. Who gives a crap about that? And
this becomes your personal AI, your personal AI agent. And
it gets smarter and smarter and smarter over time because
today we have Nemotron 3 Ultra. Tomorrow we have Nemotron
4. Nemotron 5. Nemotron 6. And we just keep getting
it smarter and smarter and smarter. And meanwhile, this is
sitting at home helping you do things. If you want
to book a travel, no problem. Book a travel. And.
If you want... an incredible system. This is a DGX
station. for windows okay so he goes on about windows
blah blah blah so i'm totally in on the whole
idea And I don't know if he did this on
purpose. But if he's an idiot? Or it just doesn't
see an act because you talk, oh, I see your
future. Oh, I see your future. And here's the, so
I see your future. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I want
something that just runs locally. No media anxiety. It big
programs. It does stuff for me, creates applications. Oh, I
can think of a million things to make my life
better with that. But here's his vision. Something is happening
here. Yes. Remember. 15, 20 years ago, we used to
have an idea called a phone. Today, we have an
idea called a PC. Today, when you think about your
phone, the one thing you don't do with it is
make phone calls. You do just about everything else. And
so that phone means something very different to you than
a phone of the past. It's kind of insulting to
technical people, but okay. I am certain what's going to
happen here is that the PC 10 years from now
and the PC that you think about today, a tool
where the you. Launch applications. Click and type. And this
PC is going to be completely different. Here's my theory.
I can totally imagine Just as every house today has
a home theater. Do you have a home theater, Dave?
Oh, yeah. Yeah, I got three. Do you have like
seats that recline with the. cup holders and everything. Yeah.
I've got a podcast room with my food that is
currently sitting on the floor. I have a big TV.
I don't know if that counts. Where many houses have
home theaters. Big TVs. Lawnmowers. Dishwashers. Dishwashers. I could totally
imagine that someday there's actually an AI supercomputer in your
house. Uh-huh. running all of your agents it's running all
of your assistants what's it doing and they're doing all
kinds of things for you all the time and you
have to have it in your house just like you
have a home theater in your house you have stereos
in your house you have game consoles in your house
computer in your house brought to you by rss.com the
only thing he's missing is saying it will know when
your milk is out in the refrigerator, it will order
the milk and it will automatically get replenished, which has
been the promise since 1997. This is dumb. It's dumb,
but... But he is showing us where they're going. They're
already thinking, hey, man, we're not going to be relying
on these local models, on these large language models. what
do they call them? Model labs. Foundation Labs. You know
why they did all that? I think they are pivoting
because... They, because the bubble's already popped. Ooh. Ooh. It's
already, Apple popped it. Mmm. Apple popped the bubble. They
knew it was coming. The open AI and chat. So
in order to be, Ed Zitron has done this work.
Zitron is awesome. He's hilarious. So he's done this work
in the financials of open AI and Anthropic. They need
to have 200 billion. year in revenue. Yeah. by the
end of 2027. To be sustainable as companies. They have
$1.1 trillion in compute commits. And that is our, that's
money that has. already been spent. Yeah, right. And so...
What NVIDIA sees is that that model of being a
large inference provider is no longer sustainable. That is not
a valid business model that will proceed beyond the next
two years. Right. And so they are. pivoting to PCs.
They're pivoting to cram AI into laptops. Laptops. Yes. What
do we need? Laptop. That's what we need in order
to keep this thing going because NVIDIA is the one
that comes out. smelling like a rose every single time
because they make the chip. Yeah, of course. And they
can just stick it anywhere. They can stick it in
laptop. They can stick it in refrigerator. They can stick
it in washer and dryer. In dryer. Yeah, they can
stick it in bicycle. They can put... They can put
chips everywhere. I love that. They don't care what it
is. We just got to keep talking like this. They
can stick it in app. App. They can stick it
in keyboard? Mouse. Stick it in mouse. Mouse. AI mouse.
Reinventing mouse. And that's all they need. That's all they
need is a place to stick a chip. And they'll
do it. In head, we put a chip. We're going
to reinvent head. Which is what the 80s did, but
that's another story. you I make the jokes around here.
But the bubble has popped. That is a bold statement.
Bold statement. And Apple, mark my words, when they... Release.
the the ai enabled siri That's the end of this
whole experiment. It just is because then the only people
that will be left who are paying. for inference are
going to be API users. Right. Idiots. Which is not
a sustainable business. It's not enough money. No. It's just
not. No. It's not. It's like... I just... I cannot
wait for the bubble to, for this whole thing to
unravel. Because the sooner we can just... Get rid of
all this nonsense. and all the marketing Prap. and just
get down to brass tacks. So are you currently doing
any coding that you're using AI for? You're doing that
with laptop? You're doing that with RSS? RSS-DGX computer. Yeah,
with the desktop. So I'm doing, it's about. I'm using
the DGX for Inference for everything podcast index related. Wow.
That's code as code. That's Quinn three six. 20 billion.
Quinn3635B. A3B MOE model. What agent? Pie. Pie, right. And
you've customized that. Right. Everything else I'm still using just...
clawed just because I've already got stuff. built up in
those memory files and all that kind of stuff. But,
and, and honestly it's get while the getting's good. Yeah.
Because this... I think the anthropic strategy is clearly. Go
public, put money in pocket. But yeah, NVIDIA put chip
in laptop. Yeah. Anthropic, put money in pockets and get
the hell out of Dodge as fast as possible. But.
Their model – model, bad use of terms – but
their strategy is – to me is clear. They're going
to, they introduce more and more big scary models that
we can't let you use for very long. Because they're
so powerful, it'll, like, kill children. That was the stupidest
marketing ploy ever. Well, they did it again. They did
it with Fable 5. Well, Fable 5 is the artist
formerly known as Mythos. Yeah, they're going to dump the
fable. So they released fable five and they're like, well,
this look, this thing is so powerful. You got to
pay extra for it. You got to switch to let
you get a switch to API based billing. Oh, is
that is that the only way to access? You have
to use it via API. You get two weeks free
and then it goes token-based billing for Fable 5. Wow.
Yep. Yeah. Well, API. They're going to push everybody to
token-based billing, but they can't come out and say it
because they're going to lose customers. So what they have
to do is say. If you want our best model.
you got to go to token-based billing. And really their
quote best model. It's just sort of like a rehash
of the existing model, except it uses more tokens. But
cyber. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Now this, this whole thing's
a joke and it's the, I'm so ready for it
to be over. But the warning stands. If you have
built a podcast product... using APIs. You better be using
some sort of flexible. API router where you can switch
over to different providers. or find a plan B because
if you're, if you're, if your backend relies on chat
GPT or Claude. Boo. It's not... You better have a
plan B. Right. Because those are not sustainable business models.
They're just not. Okay. I mean, I... I think we've
exhausted the topic. I'm tired now. I I mean, I've
got, I had some clips on it, but I think
I'm just going to jettison those clips because it's the
same crap that everybody already knows. Okay. you know and
And, you know, like me and you talked about. The
real issue here is not... The real issue here is
that these large companies. These large tech companies, they need
this thing to work for themselves. You know, because they
have financial... Their financial life is wrapped up in being
able to fire people. Yeah, that's what they do. Yeah,
they have to. Because the Google $80 billion equity raise,
nobody talked about the fact that $40 billion of that
was for payroll. Well, the No Agenda Show talked about
it. about it because you told me about it and
I talked about it so not nobody we're not anybody
but or nobody 50% of the $80 billion was for
payroll. Yeah. Does that make any sense for a company
that... Literally Prince money. Money? Yeah. All is not well
in the tech- in the tech financial world. It's just
not. You want to talk about 30 seconds versus 60
seconds? Oh, is this the amp thing? Well, Spotify has
adopted it. That changes everything. You know, the super secret
WhatsApp group is hilarious. Everyone keeps posting. Why? Because there's
no actual conversation. I mean, there's still an ongoing thread
about some doofus who says, I'm the podfather. And I
haven't even said anything in this thread. Everyone's like, this
guy's an idiot. This is no good. We already got
one. We don't need another one. You know, it's like
this, like all of these groups. And I say it
with love and respect. They go nowhere. It's just like,
you know, opinion, opinion, opinion, opinion. It's like a, maybe
I should turn it into a podcast. Let's see what
that sounds like. Turn that WhatsApp thread into a... podcast,
but they're not really discussed. Well, I got to add
this guy. Hey, someone's over from Amazon is here. Okay.
Well, that's going to fix the problem. you know, the
Podcast Data Collective, which... It was interesting to hear. Um...
Sam and James' thoughts on that. I don't know if
you listen to power, you probably don't have time for
power. I listened to a little bit of it. I
don't know, man. I've got... I've got mixed feelings on
it. On what? On the whole idea? On the collective,
yeah. Well, if you're not going to do it, it
won't happen, so that's fine. Well, no, no, I'm... No,
if you don't do it, it'll never happen. That's just...
And I'm okay with that. I don't have ads. I
don't care. But I also understand why you'd be like,
I don't feel like getting into it or doing it.
I get it. I feel like it's a worthwhile thing
to do and I'm open to it. I keep. having
I keep having these thoughts like you know, is I
don't know, I just, I'm afraid. I'm afraid participation is
just going to be so hard. I mean, we have
developers. It's like hurting cats. you know, and... I'm afraid
it's just going to be like a huge. endeavor to
try to get people on board. I think I'm just,
I think I'm sort of like, A little bit down
on life. No, no. No. I think I'm a little
bit down on new... pushing new endeavors because of The
reaction to the HTTP signing thing. Oh, I like everything
that was going on. Oh, what was the negativity? I
like the whole idea. I don't know. What is the
actual... Negative pushback. Why am I in the minority? What
is the... What is the... the issue. Well, I mean,
nobody wants... Nobody wants signing. Not nobody, but I mean,
a majority of people... Because they're afraid it will be
used to block certain hosts and or apps. Is that
the bottom line? Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, I mean, one
big thing I did this week was I put... put
signing into our aggregators. Now, signing is something that Cloudflare
already uses, correct? Yeah, because say, okay, so what I
did this week. Um... What Dave did this week. Well,
Eric, I mean, what you're saying, Eric said, was it
negative? There was criticism of the idea, but I don't
think it was negative. I mean... It's hard to not
take it negative. What I mean by negative is like.
is the fact that when you... When the proposal came
out, it was like... I will die before I will
put this in my app. Who said that? Marco and
then other people shared. Other people sort of shared the...
I will die before I put this in my head.
Yeah, and other people shared the sentiment, and I'm not.
They are welcome to their opinion. That is not the
problem. Was this a GitHub thing? Oh yeah, yeah. Oh
yeah. See, I'm a happy guy because I don't go
on GitHub. *laughs* I think the The issue, though, that
was. that It was just... There was such a, like,
there was no discussion, really. It was like, not doing
it, see ya. Right. And so. I mean, there was
lively beneficial debate back and forth, and just like we
talked about with Spurlock last week. But there was this
strong sentiment from... you know, John and Marco and others
that were like, this This can't, no, we're not doing
this. This is just not a good idea. So... I
was, so then we've, I've been fighting this problem with
the aggregator. Yeah. People don't understand your particular pain. They
don't have your pain. And I don't have theirs, to
be fair. You know, I don't have their pain either.
You mean they're actually making money and you're not? That's
painful for them? Well, Spurlock's not making a dime. He's
losing money just like us. Yeah. But... So The problem
we have with the aggregator... is that we get... We
get blocked through Cloudflare sometimes. Now, I don't know if
that's what this latest issue I've been fighting is because
part of it makes no sense. That's the 415 error.
Yes. an invalid media type, which is a very, that
would be a very strange error to give back. If
it thought that you were a bot, like, why 4.15?
There's like 403s, 401s. What does 415 stand for? Invalid
media. Invalid media time. I want to ask the book
of knowledge. Book of knowledge. What does the HTTP error
code 415 stand for? I just like listening to the
book of knowledge. Let's see what the book of knowledge
says. According to the book of knowledge, HTTP error code
415 means unsupported media type. The server cannot process the
media format of the requested data, such as when a
client sends JSON, but the server only accepts XML. Hmm,
there it is. Thus... It has been written. Well, see,
and a 415 usually shows up with a post request.
But I'm getting 415s on GIFs. requests. And so there's
not even a media type that's included. There's no body.
There's no body at all. So it's just a URL.
So the whole thing's very strange, and... And John, as
Spurlock goes, I will. Maybe ACF, maybe Cloudflare considers you
to be a bot. You're no good. You're just a
bot, man. You're a bot. A malicious bot. A bot,
yeah. I'm like, well, I mean, maybe. But 4.15, that's
a weird one. So I was like, well, okay. Why
don't we do this? If there's a chance, so I
did some. I did some checking. I did some curling.
What user agent? PHP library? Various user agents impersonating all
kinds of things. And so I did the same set
of curls from my local machine. And from... the one
of the aggregator boxes at Linode. If I set my
user agent to be a browser, from a local machine.
I got a 200 and not a 415. And this
is to one specific, this is, this happened on two
different feeds. One of them was cast a pod. And
one of them was a WordPress install. So they're different
platforms. So this is, I think, what led John to
think, well, maybe this is Cloudflare giving you a finger.
Yeah, he's giving you static. Mm-hmm. And so then I
did the same set of tests on. The Linode host
and everything produced a 415, no matter what I did.
And so I was like, well, okay, maybe it is
Cloudflare. and So I submitted. the podcast index aggregator to
their verified bots program. Heard nothing back for a couple
of days. and then found through some google searches that
People routinely submit to the Verified Bots program and don't
hear anything back for quote weeks or months. Oh, brother.
So I was like, well, okay, maybe let's try a
different approach. You can, you can have a, their verified
bots program has two, has two different routes you can
take. You can submit your user agent plus your known
IP addresses. as a combo. And saying, you know, here's
my bot. Here's what the user entry is going to
be. Here's all the IP addresses that the traffic is
going to come from. This is how you know it's
me. And in order to do that, you have to
have public descriptions of your bot, public IP lists, all
this kind of stuff. I did all that documentation, got
all that stuff submitted. Well, that didn't work. The other
option is to do signing. You can do a verified
bot through what they call their web bot auth. Off.
Program. Off. Off. Auth. Yes, got it. A-U-T-H. Yeah. Which
is just HTTP signing, which is what we brought up
in... Yeah, it's exactly that. Yes, got it. So I
thought, okay, well, let's see how this works. So I
will eat my own dog food since I support the
idea of HTTP signing. I will. Harm myself. For the
benefit of the cause. Yes. For the group. For the
group. For the team. I will take one for the
team. Yes. And I will... do the signing stuff. because
I've already written signing code before. That's in the podcast
index. Copy paste. Just a copy paste. Another copy paste
in your life. Yes. In the Activity Pub Podcast Index
Activity Pub Bridge. Since Mastodon requires... HTTP signing. I already
had all that code. So I'm like, okay, this is
pretty much, it's pretty much the same thing, but with
a little bit of, with some wrinkles. So I got...
I got the coding agent to go out and Look
at all the code for the podcast that I had
previously written because I'm like. This was the aggregators written
in rust that other codes written in rust should be
just a. You know, rut the rust to get in
there. Buttabing. Yep. Right in there. Uh, it- It sucked
it in, did the thing. looked at the Cloudflare documentation,
and then made all the necessary changes so that we
could publish the public keys and the correct... format that
then Cloudflare could verify against. So it did all that
work. I then had to go and... Stick the public
keys into a .wellknown URL location on podcastindex.org website. Uh,
that is... functioning now. Uh... for key verification. So now
the aggregator. is signing all of its feed download requests.
Submitted it again to Cloudflare, this time choosing the web
bot auth. Keep signing. And since this all follows their
proposal... This is what they want people to do. And
it's all public and it should be. Immediately Automatable. I
thought this must go pretty, this is probably gonna go
pretty quick. It's been about a week, have not heard
a peep. I was worried about that. We still do
not show up on the verified bots list. for Cloudflare.
Overcast is on there. Other podcast aggregators are on there.
Oh, man. Not us. You're not in the app store.
We... I don't know. So. But I do know... that
We are now signing all of our HTTP requests. So
all that code is, and of course, our aggregator is
public. Our website code is public. Anybody can go and
grab it. And start signing your traffic. Right. Because now
all that code has been published. And you can do
it. The next thing I'm going to do in order
to continue eating my own dog food. is place HTTP
signing for media downloads into. the Podcast Index website. So
if you play an enclosure from our website. That request
will now be signed. The reason I'm doing this is
because... The most difficult. Um... Most diff- way to do
this is in a web browser because You have such
limited options when it comes to... signing, excuse me, when
it comes to adding headers to. to an Ajax request.
The browser does not want to let you have access.
to add custom headers to those things. It's very limited.
But you can. According. To the research I've done, you-
There's a couple of ways around it. One of them
is through a service worker. And so that is my
next. project is to attempt. to add support. for HTTP
signing, for media, for enclosure requests. to a website ours.
in order to just prove that it works. I'll reintegrate,
I'll reiterate what I said last week. I'm not gonna
die on this hill. it's a thing that people seem
to not want. bullet. If three years from now, abuse,
abuse, abusive traffic becomes such a problem. Yeah. That, that,
that this topic gets revisited. At that point. There will
be working code that's out there that we can all
just... Oh, I thought you were going to do an
I told you so. No, I mean, I may, but
that'll be a game time decision. Well, I think in
general, the AMP group got what they wanted. They want
more money. So they found the perfect solution. Let's take
a play from 60 seconds to 30 seconds. So you'll
have more plays. Butter bing. Everybody got more money overnight.
It's perfect. It succeeded at its initial mission. I think
James had... I think James was right that the play...
I think he- I think he's right in his instinct
that what this really was about was not about getting
accurate download numbers. No. accurate listen numbers is to try
to somehow judge the size of a show so that
you know whether the advertiser is going to want to
buy it or not. Yeah. If you can get a
play count. Yeah. Oh, well, that's fair. But listen, so
May numbers for Pod News. 2,093 Apple downloads versus 3,200
Apple plays. Boom! Money in the pocket! A number go
up. A number go up. That's all you need. Yeah.
That's not spoofable. Yeah, let them do whatever they want
to do. It's fine. really let them do whatever they
want to call a podcast whatever you want to call
it yeah that's fine it's all good I tried. Yeah.
I mean, I still think it makes... I still think
it makes sense to do something. I'm just not sure
how to... No, it's... I'm just depressed. Don't be depressed.
It doesn't really matter. It's not going to affect anything
what we're doing. You know, I'm getting offers to sell
the index. Did you know that? Why? I don't know.
Who would want it? Yes, there's people who say they
want to buy it. Like, it's not for sale. For
what? I don't know. I'm like, do you need Dave
with it? Because, you know, without Dave, it's kind of
nothing. *cough* That's the weirdest thing I've heard in a
long time. Why would somebody want to buy an open
source project that doesn't make any money? Let me tell
you. I don't think they exactly know what it is.
I hope not. Let me see. I'm going to get
one of these emails. I think I can find one
somewhere. Hold on. Yeah, I hope they don't know what
it is because otherwise they have a bad decision. What
it is, it's... private equity That's even better. Isn't that
great? Let me see. Let me see if I can
find this real quick. may not be able to find
it but you know private equity and uh like a
home office type private equity. And we really want to
put some money into podcasting. And so we're looking at
everything that's out there. It's like someone trying to do
some Spotify buying, I guess. Chad says sell it and
launch podcasting 3.0. We'll probably have a non-compete. What? Why
would anybody want this dog? Is what I want to
know. It's not a dog. It looks very... Hey, look
at what... We can go public. I mean, come on.
We can IPO. We can IPO. Just podcastindex.ai. And we're
billionaires. That's all. You just need to change the... What
an oversight. I know. I know. I know. Let me
see. Here it is. um We have a family office
is actively investing in companies in podcasting. Are you available
to discuss? No. Edith, VP of Growth Equity. I'm like,
yeah, sure. Send me, we want everything in Bitcoin, please.
Yeah, but not right now. Wait till it keeps going.
Not at this very moment. No, actually, we want it
now. We want it now. Now all this equity, there's
going to be liquidity everywhere pretty soon. Once these... once
people get out of the open AI and, uh, anthropic,
uh, you know, the, the insiders. Oh, Nathan said, in
my experience, the buyer will give it back to you
in about five years. Well, we had to have Nathan
representing us. Yeah, you're an agent. You made an agent.
He knows how to do this stuff, man. Yeah, he
probably already knows the people. We're no good. Nathan knows
how to do it. Exactly. Exactly. If y'all were boosting,
I'm sorry. I hadn't brought up my... My helipad. And
looks like my... Start 9 has been down for a
couple of days. I wonder if I even have channels
open. Yeah, I need some kind of alert for this.
Let me see. Though I still have channels. Oh good,
I have channels. but You didn't get an alert email.
from IPFS podcasting. That's interesting you say that. No, no.
Well... No, because my IPF, wow, that's interesting. Is Cameron
alive? Has anybody checked the cabin in the woods? That's,
you know, that's a good point. Normally that was my
canary in the coal mine when I got an IPFspodcasting.net
email. Hey, your node's been down for 24 hours. Like,
oh crap, I gotta go reboot that thing. Somebody do
a wellness check on Cameron. He may not be okay.
Yeah, that's a good idea, actually. It's a good idea.
Um... Let me see what else did I have on
my list. I had... The user agent war. Okay. Podcast
standards project. We're the teenagers. They're the boring adults. We
got that. Apple WWDC, okay, woo, video on everywhere, okay.
Everything. I think we've kind of covered all the things,
you know, people need to understand. This is just a
moment for Dave and Adam to catch up. We used
to do this just on the phone. We just decided
to record it. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's how some
of the funnest things have developed. Did you have anything
else you wanted to bring up? I got a whole
bunch of stuff in my, uh... my notes here, but
I'm really struggling to make any sense out of it.
It looks like I just brain dumped onto the... onto
the page. You need a system, man. You need a
system. You need a system. The, uh... I did. I'll
see. Yeah. Oh, yeah. James talked about. The other day
about deprecating. Non-VTT formats in transcript tag? Yes. He keeps
one. Yeah. Anything but VTT, yes. He wants to kill
it. I'm still doing SRT. by the way. Yeah, and
this is... Which I could switch it, but... It's kind
of like me versus the, Curry versus the Criddler at
this point. I'm like, I'm not going to switch that.
Go ahead, Criddler. Don't try and ban me. I'm publishing
my SRT files. That's what I've been doing for a
long time. The I don't think we can... do that.
No, deprecating is gay. Can't do that. We can't deprecate.
formats because Because James doesn't like it. Well, no. I'm
sure he has very valid points, actually. No, he always,
he's always got a good... He's always got a logical
flow of his reasoning. But I think sometimes he misses.
Just the fact that this... that open source just really
can't dictate what people do. Because, you know... Apple says
we only take VTT, but other apps take other things
and other people. Create different things. Oh, Apple doesn't recognize
my SRT? No. I didn't know that. I have so
many pipelines written for SRT, it's kind of... It's an
easy swap. Yeah, I guess. Your bot can do it,
I'm sure. Yeah, yeah. uh The... This, I've talked about
maybe, I think I've talked about this before, but like
one of the problems with namespaces in the past. It
annoys him when we have very open-ended tags that don't
narrowly define a format. It's a form of OCD. Yeah,
well, it's like... well you should have one format that
you support. I am. Maybe the namespace is... Maybe the
reason the namespace is this way is that it's an
expression. belief pattern within open source. It goes back to
that, was it Bill Joy that said, be liberal in
what you accept and conservative in what you send? That's
the... Either that or Dave Weiner. I don't know. One
of the two. No, it wasn't Dave Weiner. It wasn't.
It wasn't day one. It predates him. But it was,
I think it was Bill Joy. But that ethos of...
be very be very open with the formats that you
accept. but very strict with the formats that you publish.
allows for a loose coupling. that is really important. So
Like the internet itself works. It's built on this foundation.
Because if you publish... The robustness principle. Okay. Uh, yeah.
So the John Postal, that's right. It's John Postal, the
guy that invented SMTP. so If you, um... So the
internet itself is built on... This idea that you... Ex...
Like when you're sending packets and they travel across a
router. Routers are expected, if they cannot deliver it in
a quick, timely manner, they are expected to drop packets.
Yeah. It's not an error. Dropping a packet is not
an error. It is the way that the network is
designed. You drop, if you, under a certain set of
circumstances, it is the correct thing to do to drop
a packet because then the sending entity knows to just,
they don't get an acknowledgement and so they just resend
it. It's not a problem. That is sort of the
ethos of open source in general. that When you... that
you are very accepting. of all kinds of things being
sent to you, and you just do the best you
can to handle it. because When you try to dictate
strictness... to a sending party. There is, it only goes
so far. You get to a certain percentage and you'll
never get beyond it. So then the onus gets flipped
back on you. As the consumer of that format or
of that data, to then make adjustments. And this is
the way RSS works too, I mean... Yeah, absolutely. Yeah,
aggregators make all kinds, they jump through all kinds of
hoops to deal with non-standard XML stuff. We're used to
it. That's just the way this world works. so otherwise
it wouldn't work that you're absolutely right that's perfect example.
Yeah, like what about somebody who publishes a – blog,
they got a WordPress, let's say they got a WordPress
site. and their WordPress site. Only they're doing, they're reading
their blog. And they're going to turn that into a
podcast. So they're just going to record their voice reading
their blog post. And make that a podcast. They upload
it as an MP3. They're using WordPress built-in enclosure support.
and then they download a plugin that will take, that
will modify their RSS feed to also stick a link
to their HTML link to their HTML page in as
the, as the transcript, because all they're doing is reading
the page. Right, right, right. So the transcript is just
a link. back to their HTML page. This person's not
an expert in podcasting formats. No. They... Do we want
to say war? You have to publish that in VT.
You're banished. You're banished from podcasting. Your HTML is no
good here. I'm Adam Curry, the podfather. You're no good.
Go away. So that's, and I think the answer to
that. From my perspective, is no. We need to be
accepting of other formats. And other children and other cultures
from other lands. Yeah. Yeah, don't be so Australian-centric. Oh,
wow. Be open-minded. Oh, you just hit a hot button
there. He hates that podcasting is so U.S.-centric. He doesn't
like that. That's true, yeah. Which it is, of course.
It is. It is. It is. Yeah. It is. You
guys got Mel Gibson. Be happy. Olivia Newton-John. No, Hugh
Jackman. They got Hugh Jackman. Hugh Jackman. You got Kidman,
Nicole Kidman. Chris. Chris? Chris, the guy that played Thor?
You got Thor. What's your problem? You got Thor. You
got Thor. Chris Hemsworth. Chris Hemsworth, yes. All kinds of
people. They got all kinds of people. Did you say
Olivia Newton-John? I did. I did. I got three! Yep.
Xanadu. Xanadu. Yeah, baby. Yeah. Well? I wish I could.
I hope I've put you in a little bit of
a better mood. I don't like it when you're down.
I can tell. I can always tell when you're down.
Not really. No? It didn't help? No, not really. You
got to go camping again, man. Go back into the
woods. It's good for you. Well, you know, our air
conditioner's been broke for about two months. Oh. Ooh. And
it's just so you don't have air conditioner on breaker
guys. We have We had two sort of mini split
systems, sort of like toward two zones down here on
the bottom floor of our house. Yep. The back one
is broke. The one at the front of the house
works. It's the capacitor, I tell you. It's always the
capacitor. I walked out one day and I could smell
a horrible smell. That's the capacitor burning. No, it was
the main board. No, that's not good. It melted itself.
Yeah, that's an automatic $3,200 repair. The, so it was
going to be more than that because. fur For people
who... Maybe not for me with mini splits. The mini-split
world... is The compressor and the internal air handlers They're
sort of married together. You can't mix and match. One
is sort of tied to the other. You've got to
replace both. You've got to replace them all. Ours were
like seven years old. That's not very old. It's not
very old, but new mini splits come out on a
yearly basis. So ours, we had no hope of finding
any parts for our old one. So they would have
to put in a whole new system. It was going
to be like $10,000. And so I was like, well,
for that, we can just replace the whole downstairs with
a whole new central system. And so it's going to
cost a lot more than 10 grand. No. But, oh
yeah, it's going to be like $16,000. Well, why don't
you take $10,000 podcast index money and we'll call it
a day and then you add the other six. I'm
fine with that. I don't need any money. No, no,
no, no, no. Everybody will agree with me. You need
air conditioning. This is critical. Look, listen to your attitude
today. This is critical to the future of podcast index.
I'm telling you. The air conditioner? Yes. No, it's not.
Yes, yes. You need to have cool air. You need
to keep your blood at the right temperature, blood, bro.
Yes, yes. No, no, this is not happening. Just know
I approve it. Uh, that's... I'll just wait for the
private equity money. Oh. I'll wait for the exit. We
need $1,016,000 for the podcast index. Yeah. No, I'm going
to wait for the IPO. Wait for the IPO. I'm
sorry, brother. That sucks. It really does. I mean, whatever.
No, it's not. Living in an old house, it costs
an arm and a leg. Living in a new house
is the same problem. I've had my air. units i
mean the cat it's always the capacitor and that's usually
what it is Oh, that capacitor thing is a total
scam, too. Oh, is it? Oh, man. So... Really? It
is. So when you take the main way mechanic shops
make money. is by with oil changes and brakes yeah
sure They'll take a $50 set of brake pads and
charge you $350 to do them. One of the ways
that HVAC companies, one of their cash cows is start
capacitors. Yeah. It's a $35 part, and they will charge
you $700 to replace it. No, no, no. My guys
do not charge me $700 at all. How much do
they charge you? I'd have to look, but we have
a... We have a service subscription, so we don't pay
anything extra for them coming out. I think it's probably
$70. I think they're probably charging $70. But now I
understand because I'm the guy that's like, hey, here's $20.
Thanks for coming out, man. They always look at me
like, you don't have to do that, bro. They're probably
feeling bad about themselves at that point. Like, oh, man,
he's tipping me. He just ripped him off. I can't
believe he's doing that. I don't feel good about this.
He's so nice. My dad used to work for an
HVAC supply company. And so we could always get, I
could always get the parts wholesale. So I could get
a start capacitor for like $15. And I just plop
that thing in myself. And then one day I got
real busy and I was like, you know, I. time
to handle this. I'm going to call the company. I
was expecting them to charge me $200 for the service
fee and all that kind of stuff when they come
out. $700 is what they charge for a start capacitor.
And for just replacing it. It was just simply a
wire. I was like, nope. No, they can't do that
in Texas, man. Not in the Hill Country. You can't
get away with that. People will shoot you. No. No.
I literally got this text from... We have... Is it
called aerobic septic system? Are you familiar with this? Oh
yeah, yeah, yeah, that's where it is, where you got
bacteria that eat your poop. No. Nice visual, but no,
that's not it. The aerobic, aerobic? I think it is.
That's probably the wrong word. So you basically, you have
your own little mini water purifier. So there's a little
pump there, a CO2 pump, and it just shoots in
CO2 at high speed. And, uh, So after a while,
then sprinklers pop up and it just shoots this clean
water all over the grass. So it's really purifying your
poop into stuff that you can, you know, just water.
So the guy, you know, Paul comes out, uh... Let
me see if I can find this. Oops. What is
this? That's not what I wanted. Paul comes out and,
oh man, let me see if I can find this.
Find his text message. Hold on. And he texts me
before, here we go. He says, Please have all trip
mines and explosives secured and disengaged. We will be on
your property shortly. See, that's how we talk in Texas.
Whoa! Are you serious? Yeah. Yeah. Holy crap. And I
said, it's all right, Paul. All booby traps are disarmed.
Phoebe's indoors. good you're good to go did he think
he was going to laura logan's house no i don't
know i think they just keep their poop in the
ground i don't think they'd do anything with it the
guy that uh the guy that's doing our hvac though
is really is he's a cool dude he's uh we
we used to live about an hour north of birmingham
in the in the wilderness and he's from that same
area and so he He rolled up the other day.
And he saw the old 72 4x4 Ford 4x4 in
the backyard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he was like, hey,
man, I got Ford trucks too. He's like, you want
some mirrors? I got a set of mirrors I'll give
you. I was like, yeah, I'll take some mirrors. You
never know when my wife will rip one off. I
was like, I'll pay you for me. He's like, no,
no, I just want to forward God to another. I'll
give you some mirrors. I was like, okay. Need a
tranny? I got a tranny here for you. It means
something different in Austin than it does in Alabama. Yeah,
yeah, yeah. Alright brother, well, um... Alright. What are you
gonna do this weekend? Well, I was going to go
climbing yesterday. Yeah. I mean, tomorrow, tomorrow, but it's going
to be like 92 degrees outside. Oh, no, it's better
to sit indoors without air conditioning. Enjoy that. That's going
to be much better. No, just sit in the front
of the house. Where the air is closed. There's still
air. Oh, man. There's air in the front of the
house. Just don't stay in the kitchen. That's where, God,
it's like a thousand degrees. You got fans? You got
fans going? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Hmm. All right. Well, there
it is, boardroom. We have solved nothing today. Well, we
had a nice chat. I hope you all enjoyed it.
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